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Title: Haleigh Cummings #2 2/20/09 - 2/26/09
Post by: klaasend on February 16, 2009, 10:45:06 PM
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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2009, 12:46:02 PM
http://www.wftv.com/news/18759621/detail.html

Tip Leads To New Search For Haleigh Cummings
Friday, February 20, 2009 – updated: 12:33 pm EST February 20, 2009

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- A new tip led to a new ground search for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings Friday and an army of deputies searched a wooded area just a few hundred yards from her home.

Putnam County sheriff's deputies stopped all physical ground searches for Haleigh Cummings last Monday, but Friday morning Eyewitness News found a search team in Satsuma in a parking lot and followed behind them.

The tip that led law enforcement to the wooded area came in overnight. Officers from all over, including Flagler County Fire Rescue, showed up early Friday morning to begin the search.

There were more than 70 searchers, some with walking sticks. Eyewitness News was the only TV news crew in the woods when the search began.

"We're going to move to the north, which will be to our right all the way down this road, double arms length apart. The go signal is going to be 'move,'" the search leader announced.

The group met briefly Friday morning and then lined up on a dirt road.

Haleigh Cummings has been missing for almost two weeks and, so far, no luck in tracking her down. There are new leads, though.

The FBI is investigating Misty Croslin's cousin in Tennessee about his possible role in the abduction. Croslin's cousin was in Satsuma the night Haleigh vanished and then went back to Tennessee.

MISTY CROSLIN TALKS
Watch WFTV Interview | Images
 
Misty Croslin is Haleigh's father's girlfriend and the last one to see the 5-year-old. Friday morning, she told Eyewitness News she doesn't trust her very own family member (watch it | images).

"Why don't you trust him?" WFTV reporter Mark Boyle asked Croslin.

"I just don't," she said.

"Is their a specific reason?" Boyle asked.

"I am not going to put that on TV," she said.

"You say he's a life-time criminal. Is that true?" Boyle asked.

"He has had a lot of trouble his whole life," she replied.

Eyewitness News has confirmed that a woman called 911 in Knoxville, Tennessee a few days ago to report a possible Haliegh sighting. The woman told police she saw a man shielding a little girl's face who looked like Haleigh while getting into an SUV.

There were also reports that Croslin's cousin and Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, got into some type of argument hours before the 5-year-old disappeared.

Eyewitness News asked Cummings about the reported argument.

"There was no fight with a cousin over a gun. I don't know where people are getting their information from, but people say a lot of things and they don't always know what they are talking about," he said.

At noon Thursday, 17-year-old Misty Croslin was escorted to a car with two detectives. She had to put out her smoke before getting into the backseat, but didn't answer any questions.

Minutes later, her boyfriend, Ronald Cummings, spoke out about her (watch it).

"I don't have any suspicions of anybody," Ronald said of Misty. "Anybody could have done anything. Obviously, if I knew what was going on, I would have my daughter."


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pixiecat on February 20, 2009, 12:49:27 PM
I wonder if this new search is in the same area as the man-made furniture and campsite were found?  It appeared that they were not far from the mobile home. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Today on February 20, 2009, 01:02:21 PM
Statement by Ronald
Quote
"There was no fight with a cousin over a gun. I don't know where people are getting their information from, but people say a lot of things and they don't always know what they are talking about," he said.

Wasn't it his mother that told about this?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 01:11:50 PM
Statement by Ronald
Quote
"There was no fight with a cousin over a gun. I don't know where people are getting their information from, but people say a lot of things and they don't always know what they are talking about," he said.

Wasn't it his mother that told about this?

Yep.....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: flamom on February 20, 2009, 01:12:24 PM
I still believe Hayleigh is alive


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 20, 2009, 01:12:57 PM
It's really sad that we have reached page 100 here.

I had hoped she would have been home safe by now.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2009, 01:13:50 PM
I wonder if this new search is in the same area as the man-made furniture and campsite were found?  It appeared that they were not far from the mobile home. 

Could be. 

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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: theboyzmom on February 20, 2009, 01:14:00 PM
Dang you guys are fast.  ::MonkeyTongue:: Wonder why Misty is not with the rest of them? Perhaps she finally wised up and went home to her parents? Or dad can not stand to look at her thinking she had something to do with it?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 01:14:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LFlorida 
Sheriff's deputies, crime lab, et al were spotted heading south en masse to the area this morning by locals before 9:30 a.m. today.


OK~show ashamed monkey......I stole this from another site where LFlorida says she is local...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2009, 01:14:35 PM
It's really sad that we have reached page 100 here.

I had hoped she would have been home safe by now.

Yeah Brandi, I agree.  This new search is really worrying me.  I wonder if the cousin Joe has told FBI something?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Today on February 20, 2009, 01:19:57 PM
Jersey Girl (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80056&page=2) at WS posted some interesting observations about the chair.

I absolutely hate to bring this up again...but I've posted about it and still haven't heard anything on it here. During one of the original foot searches, a makeshift lean-to chair was found in some woods. I cannot, for the life of me, find out which set of woods or direct area this chair made out of sticks was found. In looking at this chair, it seems as though the garrote, or rubbery fabric tie, used for the backing of the chair is rather newish. It also appears that the bottom left (when looking at the picture, so in all reality it would be the bottom right when the person as well as the chair is facing forward) is wet. I am wondering if maybe the wetness could be urine, so as to keep snakes away. I don't think it's wet or damp from the weather, b/c the whole chair would be wet. It could be important to note that a person could actually lay down facing the back of the chair. I noticed that the garrote actually looks stretched in certain spots. I'm thinking the person's weight has everything to do with that. I learned how to make furniture out of sticks in the girlscouts, when I was a kid. I believe this person could have learned in the boyscouts. I believe this person could weigh between 160-190 based on the stretched portion of the garrote. Also, based on the stretched area, I don't think they are extremely tall in stature, b/c of where the deepest stretched parts lay. I believe this chair is important and was used by the perp. Since I haven't received a response, and I think it's important to find out where it was found, on what day, approximate time, etc...I'm posting the pic so you can all see how eery it feels to look at it. Somebody knew just what the hell they were doing and they used it to scope out little Haleigh...maybe even used it for another sinister reason. Ok, well, here goes...
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80056&page=2

Forensic Astrology is not my thing, but there are some other intereting observations.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 01:21:58 PM
It's really sad that we have reached page 100 here.

I had hoped she would have been home safe by now.

Yeah Brandi, I agree.  This new search is really worrying me.  I wonder if the cousin Joe has told FBI something?

I just don't get it~in her early stories, she only mentions bother, A/C man and nephews there.....then we hear about the cousin THIS week, now gramma was there. I am just so damned mad the truth never changes, it could be that it means life or death for Haleigh, but if they are searching with the crime lab I am very worried it doesn't look good.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Garden Gnome on February 20, 2009, 01:23:19 PM
I walked in at the end of the news conference but I could swear that the cousin is Ronald's not Misty's?  Does anyone know who this "Joe" is related to?

And is it a rumor that he is a sexual offender?  What kind?  Like Haleigh's Dad or a child predator?  Sorry, I think a 25 y/o with a 16 y/o should have been a police matter long ago.  All I can say is Misty sure must have wanted to get out of her family home to be living with this guy, watching two children that are not hers, at HER AGE. 

Gawd, this story just gets worse and worse.....I pray for Haleigh.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2009, 01:28:33 PM
I walked in at the end of the news conference but I could swear that the cousin is Ronald's not Misty's?  Does anyone know who this "Joe" is related to?

And is it a rumor that he is a sexual offender?  What kind?  Like Haleigh's Dad or a child predator?  Sorry, I think a 25 y/o with a 16 y/o should have been a police matter long ago.  All I can say is Misty sure must have wanted to get out of her family home to be living with this guy, watching two children that are not hers, at HER AGE. 

Gawd, this story just gets worse and worse.....I pray for Haleigh.

Joe is Misty's cousin


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 20, 2009, 01:32:07 PM
I walked in at the end of the news conference but I could swear that the cousin is Ronald's not Misty's?  Does anyone know who this "Joe" is related to?

And is it a rumor that he is a sexual offender?  What kind?  Like Haleigh's Dad or a child predator?  Sorry, I think a 25 y/o with a 16 y/o should have been a police matter long ago.  All I can say is Misty sure must have wanted to get out of her family home to be living with this guy, watching two children that are not hers, at HER AGE. 

Gawd, this story just gets worse and worse.....I pray for Haleigh.
the leak to the news coffernce wouldnt work for me,  does someone have it posted yet.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: supersleuth99 on February 20, 2009, 01:33:41 PM
 ::MonkeyEek::  Joe is Misty's father's girlfriend's cousin.  I mean Hank Croslin's girlfriend's cousin.  Who is Hank's gf?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2009, 01:34:23 PM
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18759634/detail.html

New Area Searched In Day 11 Of Hunt For Haleigh
Investigators Say Sighting Of 5-Year-Old In Tennessee Unconfirmed


POSTED: Friday, February 20, 2009
UPDATED: 1:27 pm EST February 20, 2009


 
SATSUMA, Fla. -- Dozens of law enforcement personnel searched on Friday deep in woods south of the mobile home where 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings disappeared 11 days ago.

No information was provided about what let investigators to the area, but authorities are discounting reports of a reported sighting of Haleigh at a Carrabba's restaurant near Knoxville, Tenn. A woman reported that a man was attempting to shield the girl's face.

"I don't believe that she would go into a restaurant and not cry for somebody," said Teresa Neves, Haleigh's paternal grandmother. "I can only pray it was her because that means she's alive and eating well."

Police were told the man and young girl drove off in a red Toyota Rav4 with Florida tags, but a search of the area turned up nothing.

Authorities in Tennessee have also questioned a cousin of Misty Croslin -- the 17-year-old girlfriend of Haleigh's father and the last person to see the 5-year-old. Family members told Channel 4 that relative visited the Cummings' home and left on Monday -- hours before Haleigh disappeared.

Friday mornning, Croslin was interviewed on the "Today Show," telling Matt Lauer she doesn't trust him and doesn't know if he's involved in Haleigh's disappearance.

"He's a criminal, pretty much," Croslin said. "He's been in trouble his whole life."


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 20, 2009, 01:35:05 PM
I walked in at the end of the news conference but I could swear that the cousin is Ronald's not Misty's?  Does anyone know who this "Joe" is related to?

And is it a rumor that he is a sexual offender?  What kind?  Like Haleigh's Dad or a child predator?  Sorry, I think a 25 y/o with a 16 y/o should have been a police matter long ago.  All I can say is Misty sure must have wanted to get out of her family home to be living with this guy, watching two children that are not hers, at HER AGE. 

Gawd, this story just gets worse and worse.....I pray for Haleigh.
the leak to the news coffernce wouldnt work for me,  does someone have it posted yet.
well  this is what I get when I ask my 10 year old neice to put this comment in for me while I ws busy  lol.............
   what I said was ,  The link that was provided for the new conference didnt work for me, do we have a link for it yet so I can watch it!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Garden Gnome on February 20, 2009, 01:40:51 PM
I live in FL and watched it on a local news station so I don't have a link, sorry.

Thank you for answering the cousin question!  There is so many conflicting stories out there in this one!  Is anyone involved in this story actually married and living with a spouse?  I have never seen so many characters involved in the immediate family.  Ex-wives, girlfriends, etc.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 20, 2009, 01:45:04 PM
O/T.Islandmonkey.When you get a chance can you jump over to NH thread!TIA


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 20, 2009, 01:49:27 PM
They took that SO in last night too.
The picture of that " chair " is very creepy.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 20, 2009, 01:55:03 PM
They took that SO in last night too.
The picture of that " chair " is very creepy.
We use to make chairs like that all the time in the woods, but mostly when we were fishing or when my brothers were hunting, they are easy to make and you dont have to keep carrying stuff out there,   dont know why this one is so close to the home though, I still say Mistie knows something more, cant quit put my finger on it, but something just hasnt been said yet,,


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: supersleuth99 on February 20, 2009, 01:55:55 PM
 ::MonkeyConfused::I found a Debbie Goldsberg age 37 connected with Hank Croslin..maybe his gf?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: PookyBear on February 20, 2009, 01:56:17 PM
Klaas -- I saw your response in the previous thread -- I should have looked -- thank you.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: supersleuth99 on February 20, 2009, 01:58:49 PM
OOPS..I mean Debbie Goldsberry age 37 listed with Hank Croslin.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 02:10:46 PM
O/T.Islandmonkey.When you get a chance can you jump over to NH thread!TIA


Sure~making the jump ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: GramaMonkey on February 20, 2009, 02:23:48 PM
Wow....my thoughs are the same as another poster...I do believe that Misty is not telling it ALL.

Look the way she puffs, puffs on those cigarettes, a nervous indication at the first glance. This girl has some serious problems and I believe one if them is LYING.

Now this S/O that lives close and was supposedly checked by the LE that he was indeed in his area via GPS the night that Haleigh went missing.  Sure he may have been in his area..BUT...WHO IS TO SAY THAT MISTY DID NOT GO OVER THERE?? 

Now one of The mother's said that she was by there at 7PM and they were there.  So.....there is a lost time of 8 hrs give or take, until Ronald came home.  A lot can happen after 7PM.  I also heard, not sure if from the same lady, that she had sent someone over to the Cummings to drop off some clothes that night. 

Unless these people can honestly say that they spent the entire night and during the wee hours to 3AM...they have no clue what took place. 

I am thinking that this so called cousin, came to the trailer and Misty let him in.  Exacly what transpired from there .....is something that I believe she knows.   I truly think she is VERY AFRAID of Ronald's reactions to know that she left the trailer and the kids's alone.  I think she propped the door open so she could return......just prior to Ronald returning home from work. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Garden Gnome on February 20, 2009, 03:02:15 PM
Just turned on HLN, press conference going on.  Reward up to $20,000.00.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 20, 2009, 03:16:30 PM
Just turned on HLN, press conference going on.  Reward up to $20,000.00.


Is there a link yet?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 03:40:46 PM
Just turned on HLN, press conference going on.  Reward up to $20,000.00.


Is there a link yet?

Sorry~I keep getting kicked out of the cage or multiple windows (20 or more) are opening.....Here is the family presser link, I'll try to find the other one:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/l...131827&catid=3



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: GramaMonkey on February 20, 2009, 03:41:17 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/default.aspx


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: nicnic on February 20, 2009, 03:43:43 PM
Carrabas seems a weird place to take a child to eat.. just thinking outloud here. They don't have the typical kid menu items for kids..at least they didn't the last time I took my kids there. They hated it. and it was pricey. not the type of dining I would assume someone who has been in and out of trouble with the law would do either..



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 03:50:22 PM
Carrabas seems a weird place to take a child to eat.. just thinking outloud here. They don't have the typical kid menu items for kids..at least they didn't the last time I took my kids there. They hated it. and it was pricey. not the type of dining I would assume someone who has been in and out of trouble with the law would do either..



 ::MonkeyRoll:: That's a great point........I could see something more like a cheap drive thru...... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 20, 2009, 04:08:06 PM
I find it very weird that when asked if the little brother Jr. could have seen anything or know anything pertaining to that night, the GM said I dont know how to answer that without.....and then I just cant answer that..........To me that means that Jr. has said something to LE, had been questioned and must have said something important....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: strayze on February 20, 2009, 04:14:35 PM
I walked in at the end of the news conference but I could swear that the cousin is Ronald's not Misty's?  Does anyone know who this "Joe" is related to?

And is it a rumor that he is a sexual offender?  What kind?  Like Haleigh's Dad or a child predator?  Sorry, I think a 25 y/o with a 16 y/o should have been a police matter long ago.  All I can say is Misty sure must have wanted to get out of her family home to be living with this guy, watching two children that are not hers, at HER AGE. 

Gawd, this story just gets worse and worse.....I pray for Haleigh.

This is an entirely different culture.  The expectations you have about how people behave do not apply in the culture of Cummings/Croslin.  In this very rural part of FL, most girls Croslin's age would have had 2 or more babies by now.  Education levels are low and remain loiw.  I myself come from a culture similar to this.  It's neither good nor bad.  It simply is.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 04:16:49 PM
I find it very weird that when asked if the little brother Jr. could have seen anything or know anything pertaining to that night, the GM said I dont know how to answer that without.....and then I just cant answer that..........To me that means that Jr. has said something to LE, had been questioned and must have said something important....

I caught that too~along with the fact Misty IS not there...........but at her home (I thought she was homeless before ron) ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Today on February 20, 2009, 04:16:56 PM
OT but connected

Facebook Has Removed 5,500 Sex Offenders Since May

 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/strange/news-article.aspx?storyid=131799&catid=82)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Today on February 20, 2009, 04:19:37 PM
Reward Gets Higher as New Information Slows Down


 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131839&catid=3)
Posted By: Dave Wax     Created: 2/20/2009 3:25:16 PM    Updated: 2/20/2009 3:31:24 PM

PALATKA, FL -- As the search for Haleigh Cummings continues with little new information coming in, the reward for finding the missing 5-year-old has increased.

Capt. Dick Schauland with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office didn't say who provided the new money, but the total reward now stands at $20,000.

The biggest news from the search is that two crews have spent the day following up on recent leads.

One is south of Satsuma, and Schauland indicated that search was not turning up anything.

The other is related to yesterday's arrest of sexual predator Timothy Loucakis. Schauland said investigators are "thoroughly convinced that he was not involved in this," but that they would be remiss if they didn't follow up completely.

COMPLETE COVERAGE OF THE SEARCH FOR HALEIGH

Misty Croslin, the girlfriend of Haleigh's father Ronald Cummings, earlier said a relative of hers in Tennessee who is being questioned has a criminal record and she doesn't trust him. Ronald's sister echoed that sentiment Friday morning, but Florida Department of Law Enforcement Special Agent Dominick Pape wouldn't go that far.

He said investigators had spoken to "Joe" in Tennessee, but added that they are not trying to embarrass any family members and wouldn't say whether or not "Joe" was a person of interest.

Schauland and Pape again repeated their calls for information, imploring anyone with information to call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: GramaMonkey on February 20, 2009, 04:26:54 PM
http://www.wftv.com/news/18759621/detail.html


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: GramaMonkey on February 20, 2009, 04:33:04 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/18759720/index.html


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Deenie on February 20, 2009, 04:40:13 PM
Hi Monkeys
I am confused I thought on the news it was said that Crystal and Ronald were never married. Were they Married?

I saw on Misty's brother's old Myspace that he graduated from Freeland High School in Michigan. I checked in the Saginaw County Clerk Site and there is records under the name Croslin.
http://www.saginawcounty.com/scripts/criminal.pl
Clester Leon Croslin Jr  - I think that the County site has a Typo and it is to be Chester.
CHG DISP   COUNT   MCLA/ORDINANCE   CHARGE DESCRIPTION   CHARGE DATE
Nolle Pros   01-00   750.110-B   B & E OCCUP DWELLING   11/30/1983
Guilty Plea   02-00   750.92-B   B & E ATTEMPT OCC DW   3/22/1984

I checked the Michigan OTIS - Offender tracking site and there are NO Croslins in the data base. It searches all State and County Jails and all Michigan Correctional Facilities.

The other Names that came up were Civil Cases - closed in 2000
Name:Croslin, Dawn Renee - plaintiff       
Name:Croslin, Adam Troy - defendant
Appears to be Divorce proceedings
However it does show that Dawn Renee had a PPO issued against Adam

4/26/2000          WR*          FILING FEE WAIVED 00042703 $100.00
4/26/2000         C         CASE FILED WITH CIRCUIT COURT
4/26/2000         -         COMPLAINT AND MTN FOR PPO FILED BY PLAINTIFF
4/26/2000         001         (STAT COLLECTION)
4/26/2000         *         UNSIGNED EX PARTE PPO FWD TO CRTRM WITH FILE
4/28/2000         8EX         EX PARTE PERSONAL PROTECTION ORDER, EXPIRES:
4/28/2000         -         04-27-01
4/28/2000         1LX         (STATISTICAL COLLECTION)
4/28/2000         FDO         FINAL DISPOSITION--OTHER
4/28/2000         RET         FILE RETURNED TO CLERK S OFFICE
4/28/2000         RCO         FILE RETURNED FROM COURT TO CLERK S OFFICE
5/8/2000         SUP         REVIEWED, CLERK S OFFICE SUPERVISOR
3/2/2001         POS         PROOF OF SERVICE: 02/26/2001, ADAM CROSLIN
3/2/2001         SPO         PPO SERVED ON DFDT BY POLICE OFFICER
3/2/2001         -         SERVED BY SGT. HALL OF MIDLAND CO
4/30/2001         *         CONFIRMATION PPO EXPIRED (4-27-01) FILED BY LEIN
__________________________________________________________________

*** Was thinking maybe there is Still Ties to Michigan for the Croslin Family



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: GramaMonkey on February 20, 2009, 04:46:35 PM
I find it very weird that when asked if the little brother Jr. could have seen anything or know anything pertaining to that night, the GM said I dont know how to answer that without.....and then I just cant answer that..........To me that means that Jr. has said something to LE, had been questioned and must have said something important....

I caught that too~along with the fact Misty IS not there...........but at her home (I thought she was homeless before ron) ::MonkeyConfused::

She may have made herself...homeless...maybe into too much trouble and could not be handled.  To be now with a 25 yr old, sounds a bit questionable.  She may have given him a song and dance story and he took her in.   I had seen her a few days ago being interviewed with her mother by her side.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Deenie on February 20, 2009, 04:54:29 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/18759720/index.html

Watching all those People preparing to go into the Woods is so Chilling to me - Omg.
I commend each and every one person that is in that Search Team.

My perception is though they are looking for a.... I don't want to say it. Body?
I know they are looking for any clues and or " anything" but to see them go arm to arm into the woods.. ::MonkeyNoNo:: I pray to god they find Haleigh Safe.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 20, 2009, 04:59:28 PM
I find it very weird that when asked if the little brother Jr. could have seen anything or know anything pertaining to that night, the GM said I dont know how to answer that without.....and then I just cant answer that..........To me that means that Jr. has said something to LE, had been questioned and must have said something important....

I caught that too~along with the fact Misty IS not there...........but at her home (I thought she was homeless before ron) ::MonkeyConfused::
Me too, but I bet her andher Mother had a falling out about her behavior and she told her to leave and she went to live with Ron, but of course now with all this, the Mother has let her come back!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 20, 2009, 05:02:50 PM
Does anyone think this is Misty?  I've looked at so many pic's and can't tell anymore, also not many pic's of her looking good. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 20, 2009, 05:02:52 PM
there was a story on one of the 20/20 shows a while back where a guy had kidnapped a girl around 13 or 14 and kept her for awhile in a "bunker" way back in the woods that he had set up for this purpose....she was luckily found alive...she was able to text a message to her mom from the perps phone while he slept...brave girl....anyone familiar with this story?
anyway, there is always hope that not everyone takes kids will murder them...We have to hope for the best here...I feel that Haleigh is still alive as well...I do think that Misty knows more, as said before...She could not look into the camera when she was saying that she didn't trust Joe...that he was a criminal...Ok...so you let him into the trailer while Ron is at work???? Why?????


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Deenie on February 20, 2009, 05:27:07 PM
Does anyone think this is Misty?  I've looked at so many pic's and can't tell anymore, also not many pic's of her looking good. 
I do believe that is Misty
If you look at this photo of her from the Today Show
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-croslin-today-show-022009,0,7668823.story

She has a Mole on her Left cheek - same in both photo's.
I noticed too that Misty on video, she does not pluck her eyebrows. They are natural.
At her age she should not yet have to worry about Eyebrow plucking. Unless she is going for the Christina Aguliera look.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Blonde on February 20, 2009, 05:31:06 PM
Does anyone think this is Misty?  I've looked at so many pic's and can't tell anymore, also not many pic's of her looking good. 
IMO YES

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/In%20the%20News/mistey.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 20, 2009, 05:33:56 PM
looks like Misty to me..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Blonde on February 20, 2009, 05:34:32 PM
Does anyone think this is Misty?  I've looked at so many pic's and can't tell anymore, also not many pic's of her looking good. 
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/In%20the%20News/45170765.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 20, 2009, 05:38:09 PM
Does anyone think this is Misty?  I've looked at so many pic's and can't tell anymore, also not many pic's of her looking good. 
I do believe that is Misty
If you look at this photo of her from the Today Show
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-croslin-today-show-022009,0,7668823.story

She has a Mole on her Left cheek - same in both photo's.
I noticed too that Misty on video, she does not pluck her eyebrows. They are natural.
At her age she should not yet have to worry about Eyebrow plucking. Unless she is going for the Christina Aguliera look.




Ok, well this is Brandon Overstreet and under the pic on his website it says "my cuz".  No he is not Joe,  But supposedly they share the same last name, I can't find any dirt on this Joe, but one of these guys(brothers) supposedly uses aliases and I believe atleast 2 of them have done time in prison and none of them are over 25!  Bad dudes in my book.  Need some better web detectives than me to figure this one out...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 20, 2009, 05:40:07 PM
Is Joe a nicname for Charles?  I'm totally baffled by how Joe fits in?  Unless the name is totally wrong and she said Josh and they got it as Joe?!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: nicnic on February 20, 2009, 05:48:58 PM
Is Joe a nicname for Charles?  I'm totally baffled by how Joe fits in?  Unless the name is totally wrong and she said Josh and they got it as Joe?!

hm...i dont think so..but, it is for george also, right? cause..didnt caylee call george papa joe?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Deenie on February 20, 2009, 05:53:25 PM
Is Joe a nicname for Charles?  I'm totally baffled by how Joe fits in?  Unless the name is totally wrong and she said Josh and they got it as Joe?!

hm...i dont think so..but, it is for george also, right? cause..didnt caylee call george papa joe?

The name Joe could be his middle name - Could be short for Jose. His name may be John.
That and Many people define others as " Cousin" and they are not related. Maybe by Marriage or friendship ... So many Kids today call everyone they know COUSIN.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: theboyzmom on February 20, 2009, 05:56:43 PM
Hi Monkeys
I am confused I thought on the news it was said that Crystal and Ronald were never married. Were they Married?

I saw on Misty's brother's old Myspace that he graduated from Freeland High School in Michigan. I checked in the Saginaw County Clerk Site and there is records under the name Croslin.
http://www.saginawcounty.com/scripts/criminal.pl
Clester Leon Croslin Jr  - I think that the County site has a Typo and it is to be Chester.
CHG DISP   COUNT   MCLA/ORDINANCE   CHARGE DESCRIPTION   CHARGE DATE
Nolle Pros   01-00   750.110-B   B & E OCCUP DWELLING   11/30/1983
Guilty Plea   02-00   750.92-B   B & E ATTEMPT OCC DW   3/22/1984

I checked the Michigan OTIS - Offender tracking site and there are NO Croslins in the data base. It searches all State and County Jails and all Michigan Correctional Facilities.

The other Names that came up were Civil Cases - closed in 2000
Name:Croslin, Dawn Renee - plaintiff       
Name:Croslin, Adam Troy - defendant
Appears to be Divorce proceedings
However it does show that Dawn Renee had a PPO issued against Adam

4/26/2000          WR*          FILING FEE WAIVED 00042703 $100.00
4/26/2000         C         CASE FILED WITH CIRCUIT COURT
4/26/2000         -         COMPLAINT AND MTN FOR PPO FILED BY PLAINTIFF
4/26/2000         001         (STAT COLLECTION)
4/26/2000         *         UNSIGNED EX PARTE PPO FWD TO CRTRM WITH FILE
4/28/2000         8EX         EX PARTE PERSONAL PROTECTION ORDER, EXPIRES:
4/28/2000         -         04-27-01
4/28/2000         1LX         (STATISTICAL COLLECTION)
4/28/2000         FDO         FINAL DISPOSITION--OTHER
4/28/2000         RET         FILE RETURNED TO CLERK S OFFICE
4/28/2000         RCO         FILE RETURNED FROM COURT TO CLERK S OFFICE
5/8/2000         SUP         REVIEWED, CLERK S OFFICE SUPERVISOR
3/2/2001         POS         PROOF OF SERVICE: 02/26/2001, ADAM CROSLIN
3/2/2001         SPO         PPO SERVED ON DFDT BY POLICE OFFICER
3/2/2001         -         SERVED BY SGT. HALL OF MIDLAND CO
4/30/2001         *         CONFIRMATION PPO EXPIRED (4-27-01) FILED BY LEIN
__________________________________________________________________

*** Was thinking maybe there is Still Ties to Michigan for the Croslin Family



freaky - that is the county I live in!!! let me dig some


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 20, 2009, 05:59:20 PM
Supposedly another website of Joe

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=438615018


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Deenie on February 20, 2009, 06:43:37 PM
Supposedly another website of Joe

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=438615018

Fatcat - That MUST be his Last Name then " Overstreet"  Joe Overstreet- GOOD JOB

The Boy with Misty in the Picture above YOU Posted his last name is Overstreet that HE calls Misty My Cuz ... Cousin

 

 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: theboyzmom on February 20, 2009, 06:49:25 PM
Supposedly another website of Joe

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=438615018

Fatcat - That MUST be his Last Name then " Overstreet"  Joe Overstreet- GOOD JOB

The Boy with Misty in the Picture above YOU Posted his last name is Overstreet that HE calls Misty My Cuz ... Cousin

 

 

There is a Josh overstreet that is in the Michigan system - 20 year old - armed robbery


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Deenie on February 20, 2009, 06:53:58 PM
Supposedly another website of Joe

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=438615018

Fatcat - That MUST be his Last Name then " Overstreet"  Joe Overstreet- GOOD JOB

The Boy with Misty in the Picture above YOU Posted his last name is Overstreet that HE calls Misty My Cuz ... Cousin

 

 

There is a Josh overstreet that is in the Michigan system - 20 year old - armed robbery
Theboyzmom - I have never heard the name Overstreet before, maybe its not a common name. Yet with the Michigan connection ... Hmmm
Makes you wonder


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 20, 2009, 07:03:05 PM
I stole the info from somewhere else....it is very confusing how all these characters may fit together, w/overstreets in the mix we now delve into gangland.  Could be they just wanted the gun and than Ronald pizzed him off and it became something more.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: theboyzmom on February 20, 2009, 07:12:20 PM
Hi Monkeys
I am confused I thought on the news it was said that Crystal and Ronald were never married. Were they Married?

I saw on Misty's brother's old Myspace that he graduated from Freeland High School in Michigan. I checked in the Saginaw County Clerk Site and there is records under the name Croslin.
http://www.saginawcounty.com/scripts/criminal.pl
Clester Leon Croslin Jr  - I think that the County site has a Typo and it is to be Chester.
CHG DISP   COUNT   MCLA/ORDINANCE   CHARGE DESCRIPTION   CHARGE DATE
Nolle Pros   01-00   750.110-B   B & E OCCUP DWELLING   11/30/1983
Guilty Plea   02-00   750.92-B   B & E ATTEMPT OCC DW   3/22/1984

I checked the Michigan OTIS - Offender tracking site and there are NO Croslins in the data base. It searches all State and County Jails and all Michigan Correctional Facilities.

The other Names that came up were Civil Cases - closed in 2000
Name:Croslin, Dawn Renee - plaintiff       
Name:Croslin, Adam Troy - defendant
Appears to be Divorce proceedings
However it does show that Dawn Renee had a PPO issued against Adam

4/26/2000          WR*          FILING FEE WAIVED 00042703 $100.00
4/26/2000         C         CASE FILED WITH CIRCUIT COURT
4/26/2000         -         COMPLAINT AND MTN FOR PPO FILED BY PLAINTIFF
4/26/2000         001         (STAT COLLECTION)
4/26/2000         *         UNSIGNED EX PARTE PPO FWD TO CRTRM WITH FILE
4/28/2000         8EX         EX PARTE PERSONAL PROTECTION ORDER, EXPIRES:
4/28/2000         -         04-27-01
4/28/2000         1LX         (STATISTICAL COLLECTION)
4/28/2000         FDO         FINAL DISPOSITION--OTHER
4/28/2000         RET         FILE RETURNED TO CLERK S OFFICE
4/28/2000         RCO         FILE RETURNED FROM COURT TO CLERK S OFFICE
5/8/2000         SUP         REVIEWED, CLERK S OFFICE SUPERVISOR
3/2/2001         POS         PROOF OF SERVICE: 02/26/2001, ADAM CROSLIN
3/2/2001         SPO         PPO SERVED ON DFDT BY POLICE OFFICER
3/2/2001         -         SERVED BY SGT. HALL OF MIDLAND CO
4/30/2001         *         CONFIRMATION PPO EXPIRED (4-27-01) FILED BY LEIN
__________________________________________________________________

*** Was thinking maybe there is Still Ties to Michigan for the Croslin Family



One thing to remember is that OTIS will NOT show any Juvi convictions = the SOR will but only when the person turns 18 - no matter how they are tried.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: theboyzmom on February 20, 2009, 07:17:09 PM
Hi Monkeys
I am confused I thought on the news it was said that Crystal and Ronald were never married. Were they Married?

I saw on Misty's brother's old Myspace that he graduated from Freeland High School in Michigan. I checked in the Saginaw County Clerk Site and there is records under the name Croslin.
http://www.saginawcounty.com/scripts/criminal.pl
Clester Leon Croslin Jr  - I think that the County site has a Typo and it is to be Chester.
CHG DISP   COUNT   MCLA/ORDINANCE   CHARGE DESCRIPTION   CHARGE DATE
Nolle Pros   01-00   750.110-B   B & E OCCUP DWELLING   11/30/1983
Guilty Plea   02-00   750.92-B   B & E ATTEMPT OCC DW   3/22/1984

I checked the Michigan OTIS - Offender tracking site and there are NO Croslins in the data base. It searches all State and County Jails and all Michigan Correctional Facilities.

The other Names that came up were Civil Cases - closed in 2000
Name:Croslin, Dawn Renee - plaintiff       
Name:Croslin, Adam Troy - defendant
Appears to be Divorce proceedings
However it does show that Dawn Renee had a PPO issued against Adam

4/26/2000          WR*          FILING FEE WAIVED 00042703 $100.00
4/26/2000         C         CASE FILED WITH CIRCUIT COURT
4/26/2000         -         COMPLAINT AND MTN FOR PPO FILED BY PLAINTIFF
4/26/2000         001         (STAT COLLECTION)
4/26/2000         *         UNSIGNED EX PARTE PPO FWD TO CRTRM WITH FILE
4/28/2000         8EX         EX PARTE PERSONAL PROTECTION ORDER, EXPIRES:
4/28/2000         -         04-27-01
4/28/2000         1LX         (STATISTICAL COLLECTION)
4/28/2000         FDO         FINAL DISPOSITION--OTHER
4/28/2000         RET         FILE RETURNED TO CLERK S OFFICE
4/28/2000         RCO         FILE RETURNED FROM COURT TO CLERK S OFFICE
5/8/2000         SUP         REVIEWED, CLERK S OFFICE SUPERVISOR
3/2/2001         POS         PROOF OF SERVICE: 02/26/2001, ADAM CROSLIN
3/2/2001         SPO         PPO SERVED ON DFDT BY POLICE OFFICER
3/2/2001         -         SERVED BY SGT. HALL OF MIDLAND CO
4/30/2001         *         CONFIRMATION PPO EXPIRED (4-27-01) FILED BY LEIN
__________________________________________________________________

*** Was thinking maybe there is Still Ties to Michigan for the Croslin Family



One thing to remember is that OTIS will NOT show any Juvi convictions = the SOR will but only when the person turns 18 - no matter how they are tried.

Also, Genesee county - which is the next county to the south, has a listing for a Lester Croslin, JR for a couple of paternity actions, and a couple for Lester Croslin. District Court shows some for Charles Croslin born 1968. Not sure if it is connected by who knows. Guess I will keep my eyes open~


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Today on February 20, 2009, 08:13:12 PM
Jersey Girl (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80056&page=2) at WS posted some interesting observations about the chair.

I absolutely hate to bring this up again...but I've posted about it and still haven't heard anything on it here. During one of the original foot searches, a makeshift lean-to chair was found in some woods. I cannot, for the life of me, find out which set of woods or direct area this chair made out of sticks was found. In looking at this chair, it seems as though the garrote, or rubbery fabric tie, used for the backing of the chair is rather newish. It also appears that the bottom left (when looking at the picture, so in all reality it would be the bottom right when the person as well as the chair is facing forward) is wet. I am wondering if maybe the wetness could be urine, so as to keep snakes away. I don't think it's wet or damp from the weather, b/c the whole chair would be wet. It could be important to note that a person could actually lay down facing the back of the chair. I noticed that the garrote actually looks stretched in certain spots. I'm thinking the person's weight has everything to do with that. I learned how to make furniture out of sticks in the girlscouts, when I was a kid. I believe this person could have learned in the boyscouts. I believe this person could weigh between 160-190 based on the stretched portion of the garrote. Also, based on the stretched area, I don't think they are extremely tall in stature, b/c of where the deepest stretched parts lay. I believe this chair is important and was used by the perp. Since I haven't received a response, and I think it's important to find out where it was found, on what day, approximate time, etc...I'm posting the pic so you can all see how eery it feels to look at it. Somebody knew just what the hell they were doing and they used it to scope out little Haleigh...maybe even used it for another sinister reason. Ok, well, here goes...
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80056&page=2

Forensic Astrology is not my thing, but there are some other interesting observations.

Our very own Blink is getting information from WS also.  I need a little more explanation but it looks interesting.  See her article:  http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/02/20/amber-alert-haleigh-anne-marie-cummings-5-missing-from-putnam-county-florida-sex-offender-arrested-possible-sighting-forensic-astrologists-weigh-in/#more-118


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Deenie on February 20, 2009, 08:22:27 PM
I have a friend that is and has been a Hunter for many years.
I wonder if I send him the photo of that Chair he would know what the HECK that Dang chair is.

It looks to me that it is a make shift Chair that would be used in a Deer Blind ...for Hunting. Being that the area is surrounded by Woods for miles it would make sense.





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Mtnmom on February 20, 2009, 08:28:50 PM
I have a friend that is and has been a Hunter for many years.
I wonder if I send him the photo of that Chair he would know what the HECK that Dang chair is.

It looks to me that it is a make shift Chair that would be used in a Deer Blind ...for Hunting. Being that the area is surrounded by Woods for miles it would make sense.





On the right hand side (stick) back portion of the stick chair is something black attached. when I enlarged it it kinda looks like a knife sheaf with a knife handle sticking out it. Can anyone get us an enlargement of it?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 08:30:26 PM
I stole the info from somewhere else....it is very confusing how all these characters may fit together, w/overstreets in the mix we now delve into gangland.  Could be they just wanted the gun and than Ronald pizzed him off and it became something more.

evening monkeys~just got back from a 3 hr baseball practice ::MonkeyShocked::
I don't understand the gun getting tossed, if he wanted the gun that bad I can't believe he'd just toss it in a ditch.....red herring possibly ::MonkeyConfused:: Also, WHO besides Misty actually saw Joe in the trailer and if he was such a criminal why did she let him in the trailer with two small children. Sorry to hit everyone with questions, but I've been out and my mind is obviously fried now........


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Deenie on February 20, 2009, 08:32:20 PM
I have a friend that is and has been a Hunter for many years.
I wonder if I send him the photo of that Chair he would know what the HECK that Dang chair is.

It looks to me that it is a make shift Chair that would be used in a Deer Blind ...for Hunting. Being that the area is surrounded by Woods for miles it would make sense.





On the right hand side (stick) back portion of the stick chair is something black attached. when I enlarged it it kinda looks like a knife sheaf with a knife handle sticking out it. Can anyone get us an enlargement of it?

I see that, I just blew up the photo but it does not make that area " Clear" to see.
I did notice that there is a WHITE painted letter " B " on the right side under that black thing.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: nonesuche on February 20, 2009, 08:33:46 PM
I know Klaas is on the west coast so wanted to give you a quick synopsis of Geraldo's piece on Haleigh on BOR.

Geraldo feels Ronald is the person of interest the LE is focusing on. He related he has a photo in his possession of a "beaten to a pulp" Haleigh in November of last year, also relating he feels Ronald is abusive as per Haleigh's mother (Crystal) and her family.

Ronald also had a one year old child with another 17 year old female, Geraldo accused him of being guilty of statuatory rape with two 17 year olds.

He related Ronald has a history of drug problems, abusiveness, and issues with weapons. BOR related that FOX legal is examining the photo of Haleigh and will make a determination of it's validity.

I am sure I missed something........sorry if I did.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Deenie on February 20, 2009, 08:38:31 PM
I have a friend that is and has been a Hunter for many years.
I wonder if I send him the photo of that Chair he would know what the HECK that Dang chair is.

It looks to me that it is a make shift Chair that would be used in a Deer Blind ...for Hunting. Being that the area is surrounded by Woods for miles it would make sense.





On the right hand side (stick) back portion of the stick chair is something black attached. when I enlarged it it kinda looks like a knife sheaf with a knife handle sticking out it. Can anyone get us an enlargement of it?

I see that, I just blew up the photo but it does not make that area " Clear" to see.
I did notice that there is a WHITE painted letter " B " on the right side under that black thing.
I see black Zip Ties - I circled in Purple - the B I circled in Red
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k14/boxah104/strangechairhaleigh-1.jpg)

I can't however make the photo larger on photobucket. I Zoomed it using Windows Photo Gallery.

I bet Klaas can Blow up the Image - for everyone to see.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Searching on February 20, 2009, 08:38:40 PM
I have a friend that is and has been a Hunter for many years.
I wonder if I send him the photo of that Chair he would know what the HECK that Dang chair is.

It looks to me that it is a make shift Chair that would be used in a Deer Blind ...for Hunting. Being that the area is surrounded by Woods for miles it would make sense.





On the right hand side (stick) back portion of the stick chair is something black attached. when I enlarged it it kinda looks like a knife sheaf with a knife handle sticking out it. Can anyone get us an enlargement of it?

I see that, I just blew up the photo but it does not make that area " Clear" to see.
I did notice that there is a WHITE painted letter " B " on the right side under that black thing.
I had noticed that object earlier as well and was going to post about it,but had to step away.. Have we been able to enlarge and clear it enough to tell what it is?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: tcumom on February 20, 2009, 08:39:12 PM
I know Klaas is on the west coast so wanted to give you a quick synopsis of Geraldo's piece on Haleigh on BOR.

Geraldo feels Ronald is the person of interest the LE is focusing on. He related he has a photo in his possession of a "beaten to a pulp" Haleigh in November of last year, also relating he feels Ronald is abusive as per Haleigh's mother (Crystal) and her family.

Ronald also had a one year old child with another 17 year old female, Geraldo accused him of being guilty of statuatory rape with two 17 year olds.

He related Ronald has a history of drug problems, abusiveness, and issues with weapons. BOR related that FOX legal is examining the photo of Haleigh and will make a determination of it's validity.

I am sure I missed something........sorry if I did.
None ~ thanks so much for the Cliff's Notes version of Geraldo!  I was actually going to watch it  . . . . then, stuff happened.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Deenie on February 20, 2009, 08:42:27 PM
I know Klaas is on the west coast so wanted to give you a quick synopsis of Geraldo's piece on Haleigh on BOR.

Geraldo feels Ronald is the person of interest the LE is focusing on. He related he has a photo in his possession of a "beaten to a pulp" Haleigh in November of last year, also relating he feels Ronald is abusive as per Haleigh's mother (Crystal) and her family.

Ronald also had a one year old child with another 17 year old female, Geraldo accused him of being guilty of statuatory rape with two 17 year olds.

He related Ronald has a history of drug problems, abusiveness, and issues with weapons. BOR related that FOX legal is examining the photo of Haleigh and will make a determination of it's validity.

I am sure I missed something........sorry if I did.
None ~ thanks so much for the Cliff's Notes version of Geraldo!  I was actually going to watch it  . . . . then, stuff happened.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Was it not said that Misty was babysitting for a child "a little boy" that was Ronalds by another Woman " Not Crystal" - that's how they Met. That Misty was concerned for the Boy's welfare and befriended Ronald. I swear I read that.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2009, 08:44:22 PM
I know Klaas is on the west coast so wanted to give you a quick synopsis of Geraldo's piece on Haleigh on BOR.

Geraldo feels Ronald is the person of interest the LE is focusing on. He related he has a photo in his possession of a "beaten to a pulp" Haleigh in November of last year, also relating he feels Ronald is abusive as per Haleigh's mother (Crystal) and her family.

Ronald also had a one year old child with another 17 year old female, Geraldo accused him of being guilty of statuatory rape with two 17 year olds.

He related Ronald has a history of drug problems, abusiveness, and issues with weapons. BOR related that FOX legal is examining the photo of Haleigh and will make a determination of it's validity.

I am sure I missed something........sorry if I did.



Beating up Haleigh or Misty?  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Mtnmom on February 20, 2009, 08:44:23 PM
I have a friend that is and has been a Hunter for many years.
I wonder if I send him the photo of that Chair he would know what the HECK that Dang chair is.

It looks to me that it is a make shift Chair that would be used in a Deer Blind ...for Hunting. Being that the area is surrounded by Woods for miles it would make sense.





On the right hand side (stick) back portion of the stick chair is something black attached. when I enlarged it it kinda looks like a knife sheaf with a knife handle sticking out it. Can anyone get us an enlargement of it?

I see that, I just blew up the photo but it does not make that area " Clear" to see.
I did notice that there is a WHITE painted letter " B " on the right side under that black thing.
I had noticed that object earlier as well and was going to post about it,but had to step away.. Have we been able to enlarge and clear it enough to tell what it is?

I had my hubby look at it and he thinks its a knife.  I see the B too.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2009, 08:44:52 PM
I know Klaas is on the west coast so wanted to give you a quick synopsis of Geraldo's piece on Haleigh on BOR.

Geraldo feels Ronald is the person of interest the LE is focusing on. He related he has a photo in his possession of a "beaten to a pulp" Haleigh in November of last year, also relating he feels Ronald is abusive as per Haleigh's mother (Crystal) and her family.

Ronald also had a one year old child with another 17 year old female, Geraldo accused him of being guilty of statuatory rape with two 17 year olds.

He related Ronald has a history of drug problems, abusiveness, and issues with weapons. BOR related that FOX legal is examining the photo of Haleigh and will make a determination of it's validity.

I am sure I missed something........sorry if I did.
None ~ thanks so much for the Cliff's Notes version of Geraldo!  I was actually going to watch it  . . . . then, stuff happened.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Was it not said that Misty was babysitting for a child "a little boy" that was Ronalds by another Woman " Not Crystal" - that's how they Met. That Misty was concerned for the Boy's welfare and befriended Ronald. I swear I read that.



Deenie - I saw that too.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: nonesuche on February 20, 2009, 08:46:53 PM
Klaas he clearly believes that Ronald beat up Haleigh but he didn't outright state "I know he did it"?

deenie, I didn't hear what you are referring to in the Geraldo broadcast on Bill O Reilly, but I may have missed the very beginning. I was on a work call that finished late.

tcumom, you are welcome. I hope you have a good night and you and your family are doing well.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 08:47:45 PM
I have a friend that is and has been a Hunter for many years.
I wonder if I send him the photo of that Chair he would know what the HECK that Dang chair is.

It looks to me that it is a make shift Chair that would be used in a Deer Blind ...for Hunting. Being that the area is surrounded by Woods for miles it would make sense.





On the right hand side (stick) back portion of the stick chair is something black attached. when I enlarged it it kinda looks like a knife sheaf with a knife handle sticking out it. Can anyone get us an enlargement of it?

I see that, I just blew up the photo but it does not make that area " Clear" to see.
I did notice that there is a WHITE painted letter " B " on the right side under that black thing.
I had noticed that object earlier as well and was going to post about it,but had to step away.. Have we been able to enlarge and clear it enough to tell what it is?

To me those look like zip ties to hold the pieces together......


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 08:49:34 PM
I know Klaas is on the west coast so wanted to give you a quick synopsis of Geraldo's piece on Haleigh on BOR.

Geraldo feels Ronald is the person of interest the LE is focusing on. He related he has a photo in his possession of a "beaten to a pulp" Haleigh in November of last year, also relating he feels Ronald is abusive as per Haleigh's mother (Crystal) and her family.

Ronald also had a one year old child with another 17 year old female, Geraldo accused him of being guilty of statuatory rape with two 17 year olds.

He related Ronald has a history of drug problems, abusiveness, and issues with weapons. BOR related that FOX legal is examining the photo of Haleigh and will make a determination of it's validity.

I am sure I missed something........sorry if I did.
None ~ thanks so much for the Cliff's Notes version of Geraldo!  I was actually going to watch it  . . . . then, stuff happened.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Was it not said that Misty was babysitting for a child "a little boy" that was Ronalds by another Woman " Not Crystal" - that's how they Met. That Misty was concerned for the Boy's welfare and befriended Ronald. I swear I read that.



I did too...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 20, 2009, 08:49:51 PM
I know Klaas is on the west coast so wanted to give you a quick synopsis of Geraldo's piece on Haleigh on BOR.

Geraldo feels Ronald is the person of interest the LE is focusing on. He related he has a photo in his possession of a "beaten to a pulp" Haleigh in November of last year, also relating he feels Ronald is abusive as per Haleigh's mother (Crystal) and her family.

Ronald also had a one year old child with another 17 year old female, Geraldo accused him of being guilty of statuatory rape with two 17 year olds.

He related Ronald has a history of drug problems, abusiveness, and issues with weapons. BOR related that FOX legal is examining the photo of Haleigh and will make a determination of it's validity.

I am sure I missed something........sorry if I did.


I just saw this, and I hate to say this but if this is true I'm not surprised, poor little kids.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Deenie on February 20, 2009, 08:56:37 PM
I have a friend that is and has been a Hunter for many years.
I wonder if I send him the photo of that Chair he would know what the HECK that Dang chair is.

It looks to me that it is a make shift Chair that would be used in a Deer Blind ...for Hunting. Being that the area is surrounded by Woods for miles it would make sense.





On the right hand side (stick) back portion of the stick chair is something black attached. when I enlarged it it kinda looks like a knife sheaf with a knife handle sticking out it. Can anyone get us an enlargement of it?

I see that, I just blew up the photo but it does not make that area " Clear" to see.
I did notice that there is a WHITE painted letter " B " on the right side under that black thing.
I had noticed that object earlier as well and was going to post about it,but had to step away.. Have we been able to enlarge and clear it enough to tell what it is?

To me those look like zip ties to hold the pieces together......
Island scroll up/back - I circled the Zip Ties in Purple
Klaas can you Make the Chair PHOTO BIG ...so we can see whatever that Black thing is
Please :)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Today on February 20, 2009, 08:57:33 PM
The picture at my Jersey Girl link in this post http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4563.msg682906#msg682906 is bigger

Here are some close ups



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 09:00:49 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/18759720/index.html

Watching all those People preparing to go into the Woods is so Chilling to me - Omg.
I commend each and every one person that is in that Search Team.

My perception is though they are looking for a.... I don't want to say it. Body?
I know they are looking for any clues and or " anything" but to see them go arm to arm into the woods.. ::MonkeyNoNo:: I pray to god they find Haleigh Safe.




very chilling for many reasons, one being that I agree they are looking for a body and two, notice there are only LE types (no civilians) in this search. Makes me think that they got a really good tip that they deem reliable. IIRC, this tip came from Flagler county, isn't that where Misty moved from???? Third, the landscape/topography reminds me of where Caylee was found
 ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 09:03:47 PM
 ::MonkeyCool:: Ok, now I am roboposting ::MonkeyTongue:: but, did I just hear Ron's mom on NG state that the gun incident happened 2 weeks ago and yesterday Ron denied it happened at all........


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Today on February 20, 2009, 09:03:57 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/18759720/index.html

Watching all those People preparing to go into the Woods is so Chilling to me - Omg.
I commend each and every one person that is in that Search Team.

My perception is though they are looking for a.... I don't want to say it. Body?
I know they are looking for any clues and or " anything" but to see them go arm to arm into the woods.. ::MonkeyNoNo:: I pray to god they find Haleigh Safe.




very chilling for many reasons, one being that I agree they are looking for a body and two, notice there are only LE types (no civilians) in this search. Makes me think that they got a really good tip that they deem reliable. IIRC, this tip came from Flagler county, isn't that where Misty moved from???? Third, the landscape/topography reminds me of where Caylee was found
 ::MonkeyWaa::
And no one came today to search with Ronald.  Maybe they were told no civilians.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Deenie on February 20, 2009, 09:04:41 PM
I know Klaas is on the west coast so wanted to give you a quick synopsis of Geraldo's piece on Haleigh on BOR.

Geraldo feels Ronald is the person of interest the LE is focusing on. He related he has a photo in his possession of a "beaten to a pulp" Haleigh in November of last year, also relating he feels Ronald is abusive as per Haleigh's mother (Crystal) and her family.

Ronald also had a one year old child with another 17 year old female, Geraldo accused him of being guilty of statuatory rape with two 17 year olds.

He related Ronald has a history of drug problems, abusiveness, and issues with weapons. BOR related that FOX legal is examining the photo of Haleigh and will make a determination of it's validity.

I am sure I missed something........sorry if I did.
None ~ thanks so much for the Cliff's Notes version of Geraldo!  I was actually going to watch it  . . . . then, stuff happened.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Was it not said that Misty was babysitting for a child "a little boy" that was Ronalds by another Woman " Not Crystal" - that's how they Met. That Misty was concerned for the Boy's welfare and befriended Ronald. I swear I read that.



Deenie - I saw that too.
God forbid Haleigh has been abused by her family.
I can't recall where I heard HOW Misty met Ronald or Where I read it ... I hardly every what Geraldo so I know I didn't see it on his show.

If it is True that Misty was babysitting for His other child or said Child - do you think that Misty was living with this MOM at the time. Being that it is speculation " Misty" was homeless prior to meeting Ronald.
And She saw Ronald via the Mom of this child, as a working Dad that had 2 kids at home without care...and she played on him, and they then Hooked up. Misty then finds a place to live.
This is own Opinion but from what I can gather of Misty she is what one that I would call a Survivor. Meaning she will do anything for her own Survival. Being that she has no education. She has no driver's license. And she is a Minor. Hello. Big Red Truck. Seems that her Parents have been subjected to her going and doing as she pleases ..and have no say or control in her life. Just my thoughts.
So she met Ronald and thought HE is my ticket - I can have a place to stay and All I have to do is watch his kids. And play up to him as a Girlfriend.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 20, 2009, 09:08:41 PM
You don't hear much about the little boy, I wonder if he was abused, and who knows what info he has told, probably a lot. I could have sworn I read that the bio mother's boyfriend made a comment about when it was time to go back to the father's house Haleigh would fuss about having to go back.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pixiecat on February 20, 2009, 09:10:06 PM
Jersey Girl (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80056&page=2) at WS posted some interesting observations about the chair.

I absolutely hate to bring this up again...but I've posted about it and still haven't heard anything on it here. During one of the original foot searches, a makeshift lean-to chair was found in some woods. I cannot, for the life of me, find out which set of woods or direct area this chair made out of sticks was found. In looking at this chair, it seems as though the garrote, or rubbery fabric tie, used for the backing of the chair is rather newish. It also appears that the bottom left (when looking at the picture, so in all reality it would be the bottom right when the person as well as the chair is facing forward) is wet. I am wondering if maybe the wetness could be urine, so as to keep snakes away. I don't think it's wet or damp from the weather, b/c the whole chair would be wet. It could be important to note that a person could actually lay down facing the back of the chair. I noticed that the garrote actually looks stretched in certain spots. I'm thinking the person's weight has everything to do with that. I learned how to make furniture out of sticks in the girlscouts, when I was a kid. I believe this person could have learned in the boyscouts. I believe this person could weigh between 160-190 based on the stretched portion of the garrote. Also, based on the stretched area, I don't think they are extremely tall in stature, b/c of where the deepest stretched parts lay. I believe this chair is important and was used by the perp. Since I haven't received a response, and I think it's important to find out where it was found, on what day, approximate time, etc...I'm posting the pic so you can all see how eery it feels to look at it. Somebody knew just what the hell they were doing and they used it to scope out little Haleigh...maybe even used it for another sinister reason. Ok, well, here goes...
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80056&page=2

Forensic Astrology is not my thing, but there are some other intereting observations.

I really agree with this poster as far as how the photos is eery.  It really creeped me out when I first saw this photo.  I hope that it turns out to be nothing.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2009, 09:14:20 PM
I have a friend that is and has been a Hunter for many years.
I wonder if I send him the photo of that Chair he would know what the HECK that Dang chair is.

It looks to me that it is a make shift Chair that would be used in a Deer Blind ...for Hunting. Being that the area is surrounded by Woods for miles it would make sense.





On the right hand side (stick) back portion of the stick chair is something black attached. when I enlarged it it kinda looks like a knife sheaf with a knife handle sticking out it. Can anyone get us an enlargement of it?

I see that, I just blew up the photo but it does not make that area " Clear" to see.
I did notice that there is a WHITE painted letter " B " on the right side under that black thing.
I had noticed that object earlier as well and was going to post about it,but had to step away.. Have we been able to enlarge and clear it enough to tell what it is?

To me those look like zip ties to hold the pieces together......
Island scroll up/back - I circled the Zip Ties in Purple
Klaas can you Make the Chair PHOTO BIG ...so we can see whatever that Black thing is
Please :)

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/chair.jpg


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 09:16:59 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/18759720/index.html

Watching all those People preparing to go into the Woods is so Chilling to me - Omg.
I commend each and every one person that is in that Search Team.

My perception is though they are looking for a.... I don't want to say it. Body?
I know they are looking for any clues and or " anything" but to see them go arm to arm into the woods.. ::MonkeyNoNo:: I pray to god they find Haleigh Safe.




very chilling for many reasons, one being that I agree they are looking for a body and two, notice there are only LE types (no civilians) in this search. Makes me think that they got a really good tip that they deem reliable. IIRC, this tip came from Flagler county, isn't that where Misty moved from???? Third, the landscape/topography reminds me of where Caylee was found
 ::MonkeyWaa::
And no one came today to search with Ronald.  Maybe they were told no civilians.

That is what I read...the SO told the civilian searchers to not search...........they HAD to have a reason for that, at least IMO


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 09:21:22 PM
You don't hear much about the little boy, I wonder if he was abused, and who knows what info he has told, probably a lot. I could have sworn I read that the bio mother's boyfriend made a comment about when it was time to go back to the father's house Haleigh would fuss about having to go back.

yes, I heard that also and that terrifies me because that is how my son acted when he knew he was due a visitation with his father, I called my therapist and he told me that fear of specific persons or places is a number one indicator of molestation.........turns out he was right ::MonkeyNoNo:: Although, once he told me he was scared I NEVER let him visit again.......


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 09:24:25 PM
Behavioural Indicators Of Child Sexual Abuse

When a child reports sexual abuse either directly, or indirectly in a disguised way e.g. "I know a girl who...".
Persistent and inappropriate sexual play with peers, toys, animals or themselves. e.g. child habitually inserting objects in her vagina or sexually aggressive behaviour with others.
Detailed and overly sophisticated understanding of sexual behaviour (especially by young children).
Sexual themes in the child's artwork, stories or play.
Fear of going  home or expressing a desire to live in a foster home or institution.
Regressive behaviour e.g. excessive clinginess in pre-school children or the sudden onset of soiling and wetting when these were not formerly a problem.
Withdrawal into fantasy worlds. A child may even seem to have an intellectual disability when this is not the case.
Sleep disturbances and nightmares.
Changes in appetite.
Fear states e.g. anxiety, depression, phobias, obsession.
Overly compliant behaviour.
Pseudomature behaviour e.g. acting like a parent or spouse.
Delinquent or aggressive behaviour.
Arriving late at school or leaving early.
Poor or deteriorating relationships with peers.
Inability to concentrate in school and/or sudden deterioration in school performance.
Non-participation in school and social activities.
Unwillingness to participate in physical/recreational activities, especially if there is physical discomfort.
Truancy/running away from home.
Excessively seductive behaviour and/or sexual activity. (This is an effect of the sexual abuse not a cause).
Drug/alcohol abuse.
Prostitution. There is a strong correlation between child sexual abuse and late teenage prostitution.
Self-mutilation.
Suicidal feelings and suicide attempts.
Fear of adults of the same sex as the abuser.
Unexplained accumulation of money or gifts.

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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 09:26:19 PM
The range of behavioral indicators of child sexual abuse include:

Expressions of age-inappropriate knowledge of sex and sexually “pseudo-mature” behaviors
Sexually explicit drawings
Highly sexualized play
Expressions of unexplained fear of a person or place
Avoiding or attempting to avoid a familiar adult  
Signs of posttraumatic stress disorder
Nightmares
Sleep interruptions
Withdrawal
A child’s statement


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Today on February 20, 2009, 09:26:22 PM
If Geraldo's photo of Haleigh being beat up is accurate, how come there wasn't a police report?  We have found reports on everything else.  Is it possible that it would be sealed because she is a minor?  Florida has such open records I am curious.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Deenie on February 20, 2009, 09:32:04 PM
If Geraldo's photo of Haleigh being beat up is accurate, how come there wasn't a police report?  We have found reports on everything else.  Is it possible that it would be sealed because she is a minor?  Florida has such open records I am curious.
Me too .. I wonder  - Yes, Could very well be that,  protecting a Minor
YET I have found on the Sex Offender site - Victim information undisclosed so to say,  yet the record is stated for Offense under the Offender's name.
www.familywatchdog.us


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 09:32:24 PM
If Geraldo's photo of Haleigh being beat up is accurate, how come there wasn't a police report?  We have found reports on everything else.  Is it possible that it would be sealed because she is a minor?  Florida has such open records I am curious.

There IS one photo of her that I noticed what looks like bruises from fingers on her right arm....it's the one that shows her birthmark on the side of her face.....D@MN, I go look because I noticed it days ago and it looks like someone grabbed her way too hard and firmly gripped her arm.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Deenie on February 20, 2009, 09:33:48 PM
You don't hear much about the little boy, I wonder if he was abused, and who knows what info he has told, probably a lot. I could have sworn I read that the bio mother's boyfriend made a comment about when it was time to go back to the father's house Haleigh would fuss about having to go back.

yes, I heard that also and that terrifies me because that is how my son acted when he knew he was due a visitation with his father, I called my therapist and he told me that fear of specific persons or places is a number one indicator of molestation.........turns out he was right ::MonkeyNoNo:: Although, once he told me he was scared I NEVER let him visit again.......
Island If I could,  I would HUG you right now. I can't even fathom what your mind has been through, let alone what your Son has been through.

 :smt056 :smt049


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 20, 2009, 09:35:26 PM
You don't hear much about the little boy, I wonder if he was abused, and who knows what info he has told, probably a lot. I could have sworn I read that the bio mother's boyfriend made a comment about when it was time to go back to the father's house Haleigh would fuss about having to go back.

yes, I heard that also and that terrifies me because that is how my son acted when he knew he was due a visitation with his father, I called my therapist and he told me that fear of specific persons or places is a number one indicator of molestation.........turns out he was right ::MonkeyNoNo:: Although, once he told me he was scared I NEVER let him visit again.......
Hope your dad is doing fine. Right from the start Ron bothered me, I hope I'm wrong with my feelings.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 09:36:40 PM
If Geraldo's photo of Haleigh being beat up is accurate, how come there wasn't a police report?  We have found reports on everything else.  Is it possible that it would be sealed because she is a minor?  Florida has such open records I am curious.

There IS one photo of her that I noticed what looks like bruises from fingers on her right arm....it's the one that shows her birthmark on the side of her face.....D@MN, I go look because I noticed it days ago and it looks like someone grabbed her way too hard and firmly gripped her arm.


http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/news/18711660/detail.html

I can't copy it, but it is photo 15 of 19........some other monkey take a look and tell me what you see, I'd love another opinion


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 20, 2009, 09:39:40 PM
If Geraldo's photo of Haleigh being beat up is accurate, how come there wasn't a police report?  We have found reports on everything else.  Is it possible that it would be sealed because she is a minor?  Florida has such open records I am curious.

There IS one photo of her that I noticed what looks like bruises from fingers on her right arm....it's the one that shows her birthmark on the side of her face.....D@MN, I go look because I noticed it days ago and it looks like someone grabbed her way too hard and firmly gripped her arm.


http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/news/18711660/detail.html

I can't copy it, but it is photo 15 of 19........some other monkey take a look and tell me what you see, I'd love another opinion
I see something that does look like bruising.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 09:39:59 PM
You don't hear much about the little boy, I wonder if he was abused, and who knows what info he has told, probably a lot. I could have sworn I read that the bio mother's boyfriend made a comment about when it was time to go back to the father's house Haleigh would fuss about having to go back.

yes, I heard that also and that terrifies me because that is how my son acted when he knew he was due a visitation with his father, I called my therapist and he told me that fear of specific persons or places is a number one indicator of molestation.........turns out he was right ::MonkeyNoNo:: Although, once he told me he was scared I NEVER let him visit again.......
Island If I could,  I would HUG you right now. I can't even fathom what your mind has been through, let alone what your Son has been through.

 :smt056 :smt049

Thanks Deenie~maybe that explains why my mind is mush now.....but, he is doing great now, but there will always be lingering issues in our future-we just trust God will continue to heal those wounds and in the meantime, I feel like at least we can help raise awareness of what to look for so others don't have to go thru the same hell on earth {{{hugs}}}


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 09:42:45 PM
You don't hear much about the little boy, I wonder if he was abused, and who knows what info he has told, probably a lot. I could have sworn I read that the bio mother's boyfriend made a comment about when it was time to go back to the father's house Haleigh would fuss about having to go back.

yes, I heard that also and that terrifies me because that is how my son acted when he knew he was due a visitation with his father, I called my therapist and he told me that fear of specific persons or places is a number one indicator of molestation.........turns out he was right ::MonkeyNoNo:: Although, once he told me he was scared I NEVER let him visit again.......
Hope your dad is doing fine. Right from the start Ron bothered me, I hope I'm wrong with my feelings.

Thanks~he did well on his stress test today, so I am praying it's the statin's he take that are making him feel this way. Ron has always bothered me too..........other than the obvious, I feel there is something else and I just can't put my finger on it yet. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2009, 09:42:57 PM
If Geraldo's photo of Haleigh being beat up is accurate, how come there wasn't a police report?  We have found reports on everything else.  Is it possible that it would be sealed because she is a minor?  Florida has such open records I am curious.

Did he show a picture?  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Deenie on February 20, 2009, 09:44:16 PM
If Geraldo's photo of Haleigh being beat up is accurate, how come there wasn't a police report?  We have found reports on everything else.  Is it possible that it would be sealed because she is a minor?  Florida has such open records I am curious.

There IS one photo of her that I noticed what looks like bruises from fingers on her right arm....it's the one that shows her birthmark on the side of her face.....D@MN, I go look because I noticed it days ago and it looks like someone grabbed her way too hard and firmly gripped her arm.


http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/news/18711660/detail.html

I can't copy it, but it is photo 15 of 19........some other monkey take a look and tell me what you see, I'd love another opinion

I can't copy it either ARR - I see what looks like a Indian rug burn - when one's arm is grabbed and the skin is twisted in opposite directions. Leaves a Purplish skin burn. Due to the capillaries directly under the skin are broken. For God Sakes - Hmm.

I do see too that Haleigh is either eating something that is runny - such as melted chocolate, or BBQ Sauce. If you look at her face under her bottom lip - spots.
I can't tell if it is Food or Impetigo.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Searching on February 20, 2009, 09:47:39 PM
Klaas he clearly believes that Ronald beat up Haleigh but he didn't outright state "I know he did it"?

deenie, I didn't hear what you are referring to in the Geraldo broadcast on Bill O Reilly, but I may have missed the very beginning. I was on a work call that finished late.

tcumom, you are welcome. I hope you have a good night and you and your family are doing well.



Speaking of O Reilly and Geraldo.. I was looking to see if the Geraldo being discussed was online and found this.. Im sorry, I can not help myself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaeVGiFTKJA&feature=related


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2009, 09:48:33 PM
If Geraldo's photo of Haleigh being beat up is accurate, how come there wasn't a police report?  We have found reports on everything else.  Is it possible that it would be sealed because she is a minor?  Florida has such open records I am curious.

There IS one photo of her that I noticed what looks like bruises from fingers on her right arm....it's the one that shows her birthmark on the side of her face.....D@MN, I go look because I noticed it days ago and it looks like someone grabbed her way too hard and firmly gripped her arm.


http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/news/18711660/detail.html

I can't copy it, but it is photo 15 of 19........some other monkey take a look and tell me what you see, I'd love another opinion

I can't copy it either ARR - I see what looks like a Indian rug burn - when one's arm is grabbed and the skin is twisted in opposite directions. Leaves a Purplish skin burn. Due to the capillaries directly under the skin are broken. For God Sakes - Hmm.

I do see too that Haleigh is either eating something that is runny - such as melted chocolate, or BBQ Sauce. If you look at her face under her bottom lip - spots.
I can't tell if it is Food or Impetigo.



I think it's probably food:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/haleighfood.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 09:51:29 PM
If Geraldo's photo of Haleigh being beat up is accurate, how come there wasn't a police report?  We have found reports on everything else.  Is it possible that it would be sealed because she is a minor?  Florida has such open records I am curious.

There IS one photo of her that I noticed what looks like bruises from fingers on her right arm....it's the one that shows her birthmark on the side of her face.....D@MN, I go look because I noticed it days ago and it looks like someone grabbed her way too hard and firmly gripped her arm.


http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/news/18711660/detail.html

I can't copy it, but it is photo 15 of 19........some other monkey take a look and tell me what you see, I'd love another opinion

I can't copy it either ARR - I see what looks like a Indian rug burn - when one's arm is grabbed and the skin is twisted in opposite directions. Leaves a Purplish skin burn. Due to the capillaries directly under the skin are broken. For God Sakes - Hmm.

I do see too that Haleigh is either eating something that is runny - such as melted chocolate, or BBQ Sauce. If you look at her face under her bottom lip - spots.
I can't tell if it is Food or Impetigo.



It is more clear when they show it on tv......that isn't the best pic I've seen of it, but on tv you can see individual fingers, at least I did, enough to make a mental not of it anyway.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Deenie on February 20, 2009, 09:52:07 PM
Island - Months Back you gave me Your Email  - I saved it -

YOU have Nanners



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 20, 2009, 10:03:31 PM
I hope that Haleigh was not physically abused...God that pisses me off if that happened..
I am not going to believe anything like that until I see pictures, which I don't want to see, or have proof of it...If Geraldo has a picture, then wouldn't it have been reported and wouldn't you all have found that? someone would have seen that report by now, either by one of you monkeys or on WS....I think that the dad does have a mean streak in him, but I feel that he loves his kids...dear God...let her be ok....
Listening to NG now...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 10:12:24 PM
Island - Months Back you gave me Your Email  - I saved it -

YOU have Nanners



Thanks Deenie~nanners back!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 20, 2009, 10:23:12 PM
Hello All,

Its strikes me as odd that they still have the home taped off.  Geez, the Ants were hardly ever booted from their abode, let alone for 10 days (+/-). What's up?

Foggy

P.S. Deenie, don't know if you ever read my thanks for the avi some time ago.  :2notworthy: But last night I was very tired and thanked Desi too  :2redface:


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2009, 10:29:00 PM
Hello All,

Its strikes me as odd that they still have the home taped off.  Geez, the Ants were hardly ever booted from their abode, let alone for 10 days (+/-). What's up?

Foggy

P.S. Deenie, don't know if you ever read my thanks for the avi some time ago.  :2notworthy: But last night I was very tired and thanked Desi too  :2redface:


Good point about the house .  You would certainly think they had searched it completely by now.  Why can't they return?  Why is it still taped off?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 20, 2009, 10:29:01 PM
You know, we don't know what time the Dad came home. The 911 call was made after he came home and we only have Misty's word for this ... and that isn't saying alot.
Anything is possible with him. Is there a time window here ? He could have come home enraged or been set off as soon as he came in. That might explain some of the hinky factor with Misty. Ok, going back to watch NG.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: kpg on February 20, 2009, 10:38:31 PM



I do not agree with the animosity toward the family. 

The father reminds me of Mark Lunsford.   He wants his daughter back

.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: ck4 on February 20, 2009, 10:42:19 PM
If Geraldo's photo of Haleigh being beat up is accurate, how come there wasn't a police report?  We have found reports on everything else.  Is it possible that it would be sealed because she is a minor?  Florida has such open records I am curious.

There IS one photo of her that I noticed what looks like bruises from fingers on her right arm....it's the one that shows her birthmark on the side of her face.....D@MN, I go look because I noticed it days ago and it looks like someone grabbed her way too hard and firmly gripped her arm.


http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/news/18711660/detail.html

I can't copy it, but it is photo 15 of 19........some other monkey take a look and tell me what you see, I'd love another opinion

I can't copy it either ARR - I see what looks like a Indian rug burn - when one's arm is grabbed and the skin is twisted in opposite directions. Leaves a Purplish skin burn. Due to the capillaries directly under the skin are broken. For God Sakes - Hmm.

I do see too that Haleigh is either eating something that is runny - such as melted chocolate, or BBQ Sauce. If you look at her face under her bottom lip - spots.
I can't tell if it is Food or Impetigo.




ok well to me it looks like paint, on her arm and fingers... I do hope I am right


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 20, 2009, 10:47:34 PM
Hello All,

Its strikes me as odd that they still have the home taped off.  Geez, the Ants were hardly ever booted from their abode, let alone for 10 days (+/-). What's up?

Foggy

P.S. Deenie, don't know if you ever read my thanks for the avi some time ago.  :2notworthy: But last night I was very tired and thanked Desi too  :2redface:


Good point about the house .  You would certainly think they had searched it completely by now.  Why can't they return?  Why is it still taped off?

great question, I've been wondering that for about 8 days...........


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 20, 2009, 10:52:47 PM
I just don't know. This Dad doesn't remind me of Mark Lunsford. Too much of a hot head.
I believe and trust the GrandMa's.
I also know that Lunsford did not have a squeaky clean past, but there were never the allegations of abuse towards Jessie. And his parents were at home when this happened. They were good people. I do think about them even after these few years.
Maybe it's just me, can't warm up to any of these people in this case.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: misitx5 on February 20, 2009, 10:54:07 PM
Hi Monkeys
I am confused I thought on the news it was said that Crystal and Ronald were never married. Were they Married?

I saw on Misty's brother's old Myspace that he graduated from Freeland High School in Michigan. I checked in the Saginaw County Clerk Site and there is records under the name Croslin.
http://www.saginawcounty.com/scripts/criminal.pl
Clester Leon Croslin Jr  - I think that the County site has a Typo and it is to be Chester.
CHG DISP   COUNT   MCLA/ORDINANCE   CHARGE DESCRIPTION   CHARGE DATE
Nolle Pros   01-00   750.110-B   B & E OCCUP DWELLING   11/30/1983
Guilty Plea   02-00   750.92-B   B & E ATTEMPT OCC DW   3/22/1984

I checked the Michigan OTIS - Offender tracking site and there are NO Croslins in the data base. It searches all State and County Jails and all Michigan Correctional Facilities.

The other Names that came up were Civil Cases - closed in 2000
Name:Croslin, Dawn Renee - plaintiff       
Name:Croslin, Adam Troy - defendant
Appears to be Divorce proceedings
However it does show that Dawn Renee had a PPO issued against Adam

4/26/2000          WR*          FILING FEE WAIVED 00042703 $100.00
4/26/2000         C         CASE FILED WITH CIRCUIT COURT
4/26/2000         -         COMPLAINT AND MTN FOR PPO FILED BY PLAINTIFF
4/26/2000         001         (STAT COLLECTION)
4/26/2000         *         UNSIGNED EX PARTE PPO FWD TO CRTRM WITH FILE
4/28/2000         8EX         EX PARTE PERSONAL PROTECTION ORDER, EXPIRES:
4/28/2000         -         04-27-01
4/28/2000         1LX         (STATISTICAL COLLECTION)
4/28/2000         FDO         FINAL DISPOSITION--OTHER
4/28/2000         RET         FILE RETURNED TO CLERK S OFFICE
4/28/2000         RCO         FILE RETURNED FROM COURT TO CLERK S OFFICE
5/8/2000         SUP         REVIEWED, CLERK S OFFICE SUPERVISOR
3/2/2001         POS         PROOF OF SERVICE: 02/26/2001, ADAM CROSLIN
3/2/2001         SPO         PPO SERVED ON DFDT BY POLICE OFFICER
3/2/2001         -         SERVED BY SGT. HALL OF MIDLAND CO
4/30/2001         *         CONFIRMATION PPO EXPIRED (4-27-01) FILED BY LEIN
__________________________________________________________________

*** Was thinking maybe there is Still Ties to Michigan for the Croslin Family



Ok Monkeys trying to catch up but this is crazy to me this is my county ..I know that school oh my goodness...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 20, 2009, 10:54:41 PM
Klaas he clearly believes that Ronald beat up Haleigh but he didn't outright state "I know he did it"?

deenie, I didn't hear what you are referring to in the Geraldo broadcast on Bill O Reilly, but I may have missed the very beginning. I was on a work call that finished late.

tcumom, you are welcome. I hope you have a good night and you and your family are doing well.



If that's true, it could be one reason Haleigh supposedly missed so much school.
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 20, 2009, 10:57:14 PM
I don't want to cause any disagreements here. I don't have any real strong feelings about this one way or another and I have been waffling around. One thing we can agree on is that there are way too many SO's near this family.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Deenie on February 20, 2009, 11:05:11 PM
Hello All,

Its strikes me as odd that they still have the home taped off.  Geez, the Ants were hardly ever booted from their abode, let alone for 10 days (+/-). What's up?

Foggy

P.S. Deenie, don't know if you ever read my thanks for the avi some time ago.  :2notworthy: But last night I was very tired and thanked Desi too  :2redface:


Foggy I simply ADORE YOU - and not because you like your AVI ...but thank you  :2redman:
I love all your posts. Your a Wise Woman.  :smt049 :smt040


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 20, 2009, 11:07:33 PM
Hello All,

Its strikes me as odd that they still have the home taped off.  Geez, the Ants were hardly ever booted from their abode, let alone for 10 days (+/-). What's up?

Foggy

P.S. Deenie, don't know if you ever read my thanks for the avi some time ago.  :2notworthy: But last night I was very tired and thanked Desi too  :2redface:


Good point about the house .  You would certainly think they had searched it completely by now.  Why can't they return?  Why is it still taped off?

great question, I've been wondering that for about 8 days...........


I've just been scanning the news reports and have only heard bits of the pressers w/LE.  Has anyone heard reporter ask why the house is still taped off?  Sorry, but this is been bugging me too.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: janetruth on February 20, 2009, 11:10:15 PM
You don't hear much about the little boy, I wonder if he was abused, and who knows what info he has told, probably a lot. I could have sworn I read that the bio mother's boyfriend made a comment about when it was time to go back to the father's house Haleigh would fuss about having to go back.

yes, I heard that also and that terrifies me because that is how my son acted when he knew he was due a visitation with his father, I called my therapist and he told me that fear of specific persons or places is a number one indicator of molestation.........turns out he was right ::MonkeyNoNo:: Although, once he told me he was scared I NEVER let him visit again.......
Hope your dad is doing fine. Right from the start Ron bothered me, I hope I'm wrong with my feelings.

Thanks~he did well on his stress test today, so I am praying it's the statin's he take that are making him feel this way. Ron has always bothered me too..........other than the obvious, I feel there is something else and I just can't put my finger on it yet. ::MonkeyNoNo::

I've been reading here and staying pretty quiet, because I, too, have issues with Ron.

I had a six-month relationship (about 15 years ago) with somebody that Ron reminds me of, very much.

While I sincerely hope that Haleigh is unhurt and will be found and returned to her family, I also hope that Ron can seek counselling, and that this incident will open his eyes to his own problems and that he can find some help.

I think Misty is scared to death (literally) of him.

Jude (my version of Ron) used to inspect the driveway when he got home from work, if it was a day that I was off, and come in the house asking, "Who's been here?  There's tracks out there that didn't come from my truck!"  He was incredibly controlling, and once pulled off the freeway and yelled at me for ten minutes, "Who do you know that drives a red car?"  All because I had looked at a red car that passed us on the road!  He used to wake me up in the middle of the night, and I never knew if it was because he wanted me to make him a sandwich or wanted me to watch him hang himself out in the shed.

Fortunately, I realized a few things.  First, yes, he was really like that.  Second, he was going to stay like that.  Third, he was going to get worse.

It took a stint at the battered women's shelter to get me out of it, and I would never consider such a man again.

Anyway...Ron reminds me of Jude.  And his yelling and cursing at Misty during the 911 call reinforces it.  Her obvious fear of him feeds into it, too.  I think he is hopelessly abusive.

So, I have some mixed feelings, and wish there was somewhere else that Haleigh could go, should she be found alive.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Deenie on February 20, 2009, 11:14:08 PM
I think Misty is scared to death (literally) of him.

I totally AGREE


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 20, 2009, 11:17:50 PM
Just thinking outloud...I wonder if Ron had an life insurance policy on Haleigh? ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 20, 2009, 11:31:50 PM
Hello All,

Its strikes me as odd that they still have the home taped off.  Geez, the Ants were hardly ever booted from their abode, let alone for 10 days (+/-). What's up?

Foggy

P.S. Deenie, don't know if you ever read my thanks for the avi some time ago.  :2notworthy: But last night I was very tired and thanked Desi too  :2redface:


Foggy I simply ADORE YOU - and not because you like your AVI ...but thank you  :2redman:
I love all your posts. Your a Wise Woman.  :smt049 :smt040



Back atcha, Deenie!!! :smt039


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Port Valerie on February 20, 2009, 11:32:06 PM
Janetruth --

So whatever happened to Jude, your version of Ron? Do you know?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 20, 2009, 11:37:08 PM
Just watching rebroadcast of Bill O'Reilly--Grrraldo says he's going to FL tomorrow. ::MonkeyNoNo::  Yikes.  Bet the fur'll fly now--esp. after alleging that RC abused little Haleigh.  ::MonkeyShocked::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 20, 2009, 11:39:10 PM
Just watching rebroadcast of Bill O'Reilly--Grrraldo says he's going to FL tomorrow. ::MonkeyNoNo::  Yikes.  Bet the fur'll fly now--esp. after alleging that RC abused little Haleigh.  ::MonkeyShocked::


Well good, Geraldo just might get knocked out for real if he goes there making untrue allegations, Ronald just might smack him upside the head!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Searching on February 20, 2009, 11:46:37 PM
Janetruth --

So whatever happened to Jude, your version of Ron? Do you know?

Not Janetruth but I was in a relationship like that as well and just wanted to say,in a perfect world,the guys that do that to women would end up with a woman that beat the total living hello out of them, but we know this is not a perfect world... my "ron" is single and still trying to "work things out" with me... NO woman will EVER put up with him..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: janetruth on February 20, 2009, 11:50:04 PM
Janetruth --

So whatever happened to Jude, your version of Ron? Do you know?

After he threatened my life, in the presence of LE, he got hauled off to jail, whence his ex-wife bailed him a couple of days later.

I know he's still working at the same place he was, because I now work around the corner from him.  He married some poor fool a few years back, and I haven't heard anything since!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 20, 2009, 11:51:50 PM
Just watching rebroadcast of Bill O'Reilly--Grrraldo says he's going to FL tomorrow. ::MonkeyNoNo::  Yikes.  Bet the fur'll fly now--esp. after alleging that RC abused little Haleigh.  ::MonkeyShocked::



So he needs to get a personal validation of this pic he has of beaten to a pulp Haleigh?  Sorry for the graphic, but I can't stand that media monster.  He lies like a rug for a buck.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Puzzler on February 20, 2009, 11:55:51 PM
Klaas he clearly believes that Ronald beat up Haleigh but he didn't outright state "I know he did it"?

deenie, I didn't hear what you are referring to in the Geraldo broadcast on Bill O Reilly, but I may have missed the very beginning. I was on a work call that finished late.

tcumom, you are welcome. I hope you have a good night and you and your family are doing well.



If that's true, it could be one reason Haleigh supposedly missed so much school.
 

Geraldo says he has a picture that shows a split lip, black eye and bruises on the face.
O'Reilly says that Fox New lawyers are checking it out before they show the picture.
Geraldo is going to Florida tomorrow (so I would expect he will have more on the on his weekend shows).
Geraldo says the picture was taken last November.
He said that Haleigh has missed 22 days of school this year (that really sounds bad to me).
He said that Ronald has a 1 y.o. son by another 17 y.o girl.
Geraldo says this guys guilty of statutory rape with 2 different girls (I remember that Haleigh's mom said that she was pregnant with Haleigh when she was 17).

I would call this "trouble in River City with a capital T"



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 20, 2009, 11:55:56 PM
I do not like Geraldo. He should have either shown the picture or not mentioned it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 20, 2009, 11:57:25 PM
Klaas he clearly believes that Ronald beat up Haleigh but he didn't outright state "I know he did it"?

deenie, I didn't hear what you are referring to in the Geraldo broadcast on Bill O Reilly, but I may have missed the very beginning. I was on a work call that finished late.

tcumom, you are welcome. I hope you have a good night and you and your family are doing well.



If that's true, it could be one reason Haleigh supposedly missed so much school.
 

Geraldo says he has a picture that shows a split lip, black eye and bruises on the face.
O'Reilly says that Fox New lawyers are checking it out before they show the picture.
Geraldo is going to Florida tomorrow (so I would expect he will have more on the on his weekend shows).
Geraldo says the picture was taken last November.
He said that Haleigh has missed 22 days of school this year (that really sounds bad to me).
He said that Ronald has a 1 y.o. son by another 17 y.o girl.
Geraldo says this guys guilty of statutory rape with 2 different girls (I remember that Haleigh's mom said that she was pregnant with Haleigh when she was 17).

I would call this "trouble in River City with a capital T"


Its true that Ronald has another child, he said it himself in one of the interviews....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Port Valerie on February 21, 2009, 12:02:57 AM
Janetruth --

So whatever happened to Jude, your version of Ron? Do you know?

After he threatened my life, in the presence of LE, he got hauled off to jail, whence his ex-wife bailed him a couple of days later.

I know he's still working at the same place he was, because I now work around the corner from him.  He married some poor fool a few years back, and I haven't heard anything since!

Thanks. I'm glad you got out of it. Thanks also to Searching.

I guess I'm wondering whether this type of man eventually escalates. Does he go from bullying or verbal abuse to actual physical abuse? Second question: Does this type of man extend the abuse to his children and, if so, does he focus on the girls and leave the boys alone?

One time my husband and I paid a fortune to go to a major league baseball game on the fourth of July. We had great seats in the third row  behind home plate. The seats behind us were empty. After a few innings, two really bad guys came down from somewhere else in the stands and sat behind us. They yelled constantly and were obnoxious. They constantly baited my husband to confront them. I looked at one and I'm sure I saw pure hatred and the desire to kill in his eyes. I'm sure I was face to face with a true psychopath. He was small but wiry and probably exceedinlgly strong. The thing of it is, the guy with all the hatred and desire to kill had a tiny baby girl, about six months old, in his arms. She was all dressed up in a pretty pink and white outfit with a bonnet. So what woman dresses up her baby and lets a guy like that take her to a ball game? And what eventually happens to that little girl?

Just wondering.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Deenie on February 21, 2009, 12:09:51 AM
I do not like Geraldo. He should have either shown the picture or not mentioned it.

Katgram do you remember when he HYPED in the Media for Weeks he had found the SECRET Vault of Al Capone ...........and it turned out to be just a lump of bricks and plaster ... with NUFHIN ... to be found.
That's Geraldo  - Mr I will dig and dig even if I know its not true.

* this is nothing to do with Haleigh.

My opinion of Geraldo ... I NEVER WATCH him because I think he is an ASH ole........





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Port Valerie on February 21, 2009, 12:10:40 AM
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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: janetruth on February 21, 2009, 12:15:05 AM
Janetruth --

So whatever happened to Jude, your version of Ron? Do you know?

After he threatened my life, in the presence of LE, he got hauled off to jail, whence his ex-wife bailed him a couple of days later.

I know he's still working at the same place he was, because I now work around the corner from him.  He married some poor fool a few years back, and I haven't heard anything since!

Thanks. I'm glad you got out of it. Thanks also to Searching.

I guess I'm wondering whether this type of man eventually escalates. Does he go from bullying or verbal abuse to actual physical abuse? Second question: Does this type of man extend the abuse to his children and, if so, does he focus on the girls and leave the boys alone?

One time my husband and I paid a fortune to go to a major league baseball game on the fourth of July. We had great seats in the third row  behind home plate. The seats behind us were empty. After a few innings, two really bad guys came down from somewhere else in the stands and sat behind us. They yelled constantly and were obnoxious. They constantly baited my husband to confront them. I looked at one and I'm sure I saw pure hatred and the desire to kill in his eyes. I'm sure I was face to face with a true psychopath. He was small but wiry and probably exceedinlgly strong. The thing of it is, the guy with all the hatred and desire to kill had a tiny baby girl, about six months old, in his arms. She was all dressed up in a pretty pink and white outfit with a bonnet. So what woman dresses up her baby and lets a guy like that take her to a ball game? And what eventually happens to that little girl?

Just wondering.



Jude had boys.  I got between one punch he was throwing at the older one, who was 14 at the time.

Yes, they do escalate, and they take out their rage on anyone who crosses them.

It took four cops to put Jude in the police car, and he was a small and wiry guy.  By the time they got him in there, he was hog-tied with those little plastic thingies, and had a mask on him because he was spitting at the police. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Deenie on February 21, 2009, 12:15:53 AM
Hey, I am the 100,000th visitor and have been chosen to receive a free laptop!!!! Yay! ::cartwheel:: Anyone else?

OMG that was Beautiful


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 12:16:08 AM
I just don't know. This Dad doesn't remind me of Mark Lunsford. Too much of a hot head.
I believe and trust the GrandMa's.
I also know that Lunsford did not have a squeaky clean past, but there were never the allegations of abuse towards Jessie. And his parents were at home when this happened. They were good people. I do think about them even after these few years.
Maybe it's just me, can't warm up to any of these people in this case.
::MonkeyConfused::

ITA~are you reading my mushy mind


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Port Valerie on February 21, 2009, 12:19:03 AM
From Florida (Jacksonville) Times-Union:

Through exhaustion and frustration, hope remains for Haleigh to be found

    * By Josh Salman
    * Story updated at 9:18 PM on Friday, Feb. 20, 2009


Eleven days have passed since 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings went missing, and the rural community of Satsuma is beginning to get quiet.

There were a couple of searches during the past couple of days, but nothing like when Haleigh first went missing.

Signs, photos and prayers can still be seen throughout the town, but the search process is beginning to exhaust the community.

Yet there’s still hope.

“As long as we believe and hope Haleigh is alive, we’re going to look for live Haleigh,” said Capt. Dick Schauland with the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office.

He said police conducted two searches in Putnam County on Thursday — one about 200 yards south of Satsuma on U.S. 17 and the other in the area of a sexual predator arrested Wednesday for breaking curfew. Neither search produced positive results.

“We are thoroughly convinced that he [the arrested predator] was not involved in this, but we would be remiss if we didn’t search the area,” he said.

Authorities have received about 1,300 tips regarding Haleigh, who vanished on Feb. 10 from the home she shared with her father, Robert Cummings, his girlfriend and Haleigh’s younger brother.

One of those tips came from Tennessee, where a possible sighting of a girl matching Haleigh’s description was reported late Thursday night.

It’s the second potential tie to Tennessee in the past week.

Misty Croslin, the 17-year-old girlfriend of Haleigh’s father, said she had a cousin visiting from Tennessee for two weeks.

Teresa Neves, Haleigh’s grandmother, said on Friday that the cousin tried to steal a gun from the Cummings’ home, leading to an argument between him and Croslin.

The cousin left the home and returned to Tennessee the same morning Haleigh went missing.

“I felt like he was someone worth looking into, so I told the investigators,” Neves said. “He’s not part of my family. I don’t even know his name. But I hope that was her [in Tennessee], at least I would know she was eating well.”

Police confirmed that Croslin’s relative was in town and is now back in Tennessee, but wouldn’t say whether he was suspect.

Croslin said the man “messed with her” as a child, but didn’t think he was listed as a sex offender.

“If we would have had any idea, he wouldn’t have been around Haleigh,” Neves said. “He did not carry a sign saying ‘I’m a sexual offender, I’m going to steal your child.’ He came to our home as a relative.”

Cummings declined to speak with the media Friday. Neves said he was having a bad day and was tired from the search process.

Crystal Cummings, Haleigh’s aunt, thanked the community for everything and said she’s confident Haleigh will eventually be returned home.

“We will not give up hope or stop praying until she’s found,” she said.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Port Valerie on February 21, 2009, 12:24:53 AM
Janetruth -- thanks for the great description. So much anger and hatred. Wow.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: janetruth on February 21, 2009, 12:39:12 AM
Janetruth -- thanks for the great description. So much anger and hatred. Wow.

I had no idea that there were people like that!  When I was in the shelter, I went to group counselling, and found out there were a lot of them, and worse.  One woman was totally freaked.  She had been running for her ex for two years, and he had stalked her through five states.  He had just showed up again.

When a person knows your personal info, and is of a mindset to use it against you, it's all but impossible to escape.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: janetruth on February 21, 2009, 12:43:36 AM
Night, y'all!

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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Port Valerie on February 21, 2009, 12:44:40 AM
Night, Janetruth. Me too.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 21, 2009, 01:08:15 AM
If Geraldo's photo of Haleigh being beat up is accurate, how come there wasn't a police report?  We have found reports on everything else.  Is it possible that it would be sealed because she is a minor?  Florida has such open records I am curious.

Did he show a picture?  ::MonkeyShocked::


Klaas, I've been back and forth between here and Caylee, so your query may have been answered.

But if not, O'Reilly said pic (dated Nov '08?) was being checked out by Fox legal.  Grrraldo said pic of injuries had been explained away by someone (I can't remember by whom) who said that injuries had been sustained at school.  Anyhow, I take Grrraldo's righteous indignation w/a grain of salt. 

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 21, 2009, 01:21:03 AM
Just watching rebroadcast of Bill O'Reilly--Grrraldo says he's going to FL tomorrow. ::MonkeyNoNo::  Yikes.  Bet the fur'll fly now--esp. after alleging that RC abused little Haleigh.  ::MonkeyShocked::


Well good, Geraldo just might get knocked out for real if he goes there making untrue allegations, Ronald just might smack him upside the head!


Yeah, or smack him w/a lawsuit for slander. What's wrong with Geraldo?  Why didn't he keep his yap shut and just plan on going down there on a recon mission instead of tossing around abuse allegations beforehand?  Hope he doesn't show up at the tent city. :smt102 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 21, 2009, 01:28:38 AM
If Geraldo's photo of Haleigh being beat up is accurate, how come there wasn't a police report?  We have found reports on everything else.  Is it possible that it would be sealed because she is a minor?  Florida has such open records I am curious.

Did he show a picture?  ::MonkeyShocked::


Klaas, I've been back and forth between here and Caylee, so your query may have been answered.

But if not, O'Reilly said pic (dated Nov '08?) was being checked out by Fox legal.  Grrraldo said pic of injuries had been explained away by someone (I can't remember by whom) who said that injuries had been sustained at school.  Anyhow, I take Grrraldo's righteous indignation w/a grain of salt. 

Foggy


Thanks Foggy.  I still say the most fun I had watching Geraldo was during hurricaine Ike

http://www.youtube.com/v/ct-_-wovq44&hl=en&fs=1


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 21, 2009, 01:54:09 AM
If Geraldo's photo of Haleigh being beat up is accurate, how come there wasn't a police report?  We have found reports on everything else.  Is it possible that it would be sealed because she is a minor?  Florida has such open records I am curious.

Did he show a picture?  ::MonkeyShocked::


Klaas, I've been back and forth between here and Caylee, so your query may have been answered.

But if not, O'Reilly said pic (dated Nov '08?) was being checked out by Fox legal.  Grrraldo said pic of injuries had been explained away by someone (I can't remember by whom) who said that injuries had been sustained at school.  Anyhow, I take Grrraldo's righteous indignation w/a grain of salt. 

Foggy


Thanks Foggy.  I still say the most fun I had watching Geraldo was during hurricaine Ike

http://www.youtube.com/v/ct-_-wovq44&hl=en&fs=1


Oh great, another vid I can't watch cause of dial up--although I think I did see the original  :smt046

I've been thinking about how many school days Haleigh missed.  I don't think its that much for a kindergartner. 

I live on a higher elevation than where my child attended kindergarten and our weather was often quite bad in the winter.  I'd keep her home just because of that sometimes, for I didn't think kindergarten was worth the risk of driving her down our "mt" so she could color for a couple of hours.  And then there were the times when older when she had a bad cold or something.  A few days out, then the odd day being absent for a tummyache or something and before you know it you are up to the legal limit before the school wants to see doctors notes.  Then there is the vague assertion that Haleigh missed all those days "last year".  Is that like last semester as in pre-winter holidays?  Were there doc notes to explain that away?

Btw, my kid was roughed up pretty badly in that (Catholic) school.  We pulled her out halfway through 2nd grade.  When she was 16, she crossed paths w/a kid who tried to strangle her and after all that time was still terrified of the now teen boy.  So Grrraldo discounting that Haleigh was roughed up at her school is not outside of the realm of possibility.  Psycho nutjobs start somewhere.

I'm just tired of Grrrraldo's alarmist tone before he's ready to lay out the facts.

Foggy
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 21, 2009, 03:16:09 AM
                                JUSTICE FOR HALEIGH CUMMINGS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pharlap on February 21, 2009, 07:01:42 AM
Don't know if this has been posted yet...

Jr. gives tips......video

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18763765/index.html


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: can on February 21, 2009, 08:41:26 AM
I thought I heard on NG, that Haleigh has an immune disorder that would cause her to have a lot of colds, chest infections which could cause her to miss a lot of school.  Sorry to be so vague.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 21, 2009, 08:43:11 AM
oohh that first day of school, so sweet!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: theboyzmom on February 21, 2009, 08:50:28 AM
If Geraldo's photo of Haleigh being beat up is accurate, how come there wasn't a police report?  We have found reports on everything else.  Is it possible that it would be sealed because she is a minor?  Florida has such open records I am curious.

There IS one photo of her that I noticed what looks like bruises from fingers on her right arm....it's the one that shows her birthmark on the side of her face.....D@MN, I go look because I noticed it days ago and it looks like someone grabbed her way too hard and firmly gripped her arm.



http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/news/18711660/detail.html

I can't copy it, but it is photo 15 of 19........some other monkey take a look and tell me what you see, I'd love another opinion

I have a couple of thoughts - the one on her face looks like a bruise near the birthmark. The ones on her are are not as clear. looks like she has some food or something on it but there could very well be bruises on it. the only caveat I have is that this was a fair skinned kid. Not to say she was not abused or hit but I know my oldest showed every bump and bruise. also, I wonder if she had some bleeding problems? I am not sure it goes with Turners but anytime you have a disorder that effects the endocrine system you have to wonder. I have a stepGD that has a bleeding disorder - every time she breaths seems like she gets a bruise - made it hard since she WAS abused also. The parents used the disorder as a cover. But my point is that those bruises could be a multitude of things - including abuse.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: theboyzmom on February 21, 2009, 09:00:39 AM
Hi Monkeys
I am confused I thought on the news it was said that Crystal and Ronald were never married. Were they Married?

I saw on Misty's brother's old Myspace that he graduated from Freeland High School in Michigan. I checked in the Saginaw County Clerk Site and there is records under the name Croslin.
http://www.saginawcounty.com/scripts/criminal.pl
Clester Leon Croslin Jr  - I think that the County site has a Typo and it is to be Chester.
CHG DISP   COUNT   MCLA/ORDINANCE   CHARGE DESCRIPTION   CHARGE DATE
Nolle Pros   01-00   750.110-B   B & E OCCUP DWELLING   11/30/1983
Guilty Plea   02-00   750.92-B   B & E ATTEMPT OCC DW   3/22/1984

I checked the Michigan OTIS - Offender tracking site and there are NO Croslins in the data base. It searches all State and County Jails and all Michigan Correctional Facilities.

The other Names that came up were Civil Cases - closed in 2000
Name:Croslin, Dawn Renee - plaintiff       
Name:Croslin, Adam Troy - defendant
Appears to be Divorce proceedings
However it does show that Dawn Renee had a PPO issued against Adam

4/26/2000          WR*          FILING FEE WAIVED 00042703 $100.00
4/26/2000         C         CASE FILED WITH CIRCUIT COURT
4/26/2000         -         COMPLAINT AND MTN FOR PPO FILED BY PLAINTIFF
4/26/2000         001         (STAT COLLECTION)
4/26/2000         *         UNSIGNED EX PARTE PPO FWD TO CRTRM WITH FILE
4/28/2000         8EX         EX PARTE PERSONAL PROTECTION ORDER, EXPIRES:
4/28/2000         -         04-27-01
4/28/2000         1LX         (STATISTICAL COLLECTION)
4/28/2000         FDO         FINAL DISPOSITION--OTHER
4/28/2000         RET         FILE RETURNED TO CLERK S OFFICE
4/28/2000         RCO         FILE RETURNED FROM COURT TO CLERK S OFFICE
5/8/2000         SUP         REVIEWED, CLERK S OFFICE SUPERVISOR
3/2/2001         POS         PROOF OF SERVICE: 02/26/2001, ADAM CROSLIN
3/2/2001         SPO         PPO SERVED ON DFDT BY POLICE OFFICER
3/2/2001         -         SERVED BY SGT. HALL OF MIDLAND CO
4/30/2001         *         CONFIRMATION PPO EXPIRED (4-27-01) FILED BY LEIN
__________________________________________________________________

*** Was thinking maybe there is Still Ties to Michigan for the Croslin Family



Ok Monkeys trying to catch up but this is crazy to me this is my county ..I know that school oh my goodness...

OMG - what a small jungle - mine too. I am in Southern Saginaw county.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: theboyzmom on February 21, 2009, 09:20:40 AM
Here is an interesting connection with the Freeland diploma - Saginaw county juvenile detention facility contracts with the Freeland schools for education of this kids in their program. Also, there is a residential "impulse disorder" (really sex offenders - but we would not want to offend them by calling a spade a spade) in the Freeland area - wonder if Joe was in either of these?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: OriginalKat on February 21, 2009, 09:22:40 AM
I thought I heard on NG, that Haleigh has an immune disorder that would cause her to have a lot of colds, chest infections which could cause her to miss a lot of school.  Sorry to be so vague.
Yes, Turner Syndrome. He gave good information on it. He mentioned sore throats also and she would be tired alot which might be why she missed so much school. It also causes heart problems so I was surprised a bigger deal was not made before this of her having that. I saw it on the police report but media has not really done much on it but Nancy Grace last night.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: AZSunny on February 21, 2009, 09:24:39 AM
Hi Monkeys,

Reading about Geraldo's picture info of Haleigh on O'Reily, reminds me that GR was the first in the NH case to bring the info forward regarding the porn videos circulating on Aruba of young woman.  Maybe his brother is working behind the scenes again??

I woke up about the 3 am this morning, and the first thought in my head was "look under the trailers in the area"  There are so many trailer homes there, and they all have false bottoms I believe.  I have no idea why that popped in my mind, but it woke me up immediately.  I am sure if there was a small body there, the decomposition smell would become obvious, but who knows.  I pray this child is still alive, but hope diminishes with each passing day.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pharlap on February 21, 2009, 09:43:35 AM
Don't know if this has been posted yet...

Jr. gives tips......video

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18763765/index.html

OT....man, weatherman said no snow...well it's coming down like crazy, huge flakes ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: misitx5 on February 21, 2009, 10:05:16 AM
Sorry for the O/T but theboyzmom I left you a little note in musings...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4573.msg683686#msg683686


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 21, 2009, 10:25:30 AM
Don't know if this has been posted yet...

Jr. gives tips......video

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18763765/index.html

I'm glad to hear they are getting info from him


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Today on February 21, 2009, 10:39:43 AM
I was wondering if TES used that new sonar underwater equipment they have when they searched.  It is really new technology, was reported on with Caylee's search.  I do not remember if TES even did water search or if it was LE.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 21, 2009, 10:41:14 AM
Don't know if this has been posted yet...

Jr. gives tips......video

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18763765/index.html

I'm glad to hear they are getting info from him

I think he could provide some info...Yay! but does anyone think it odd that Crystal is just coming forth with that and that she said that she didn't question him??? If that was my kid and I thought that he knew anything I would be What! tell me what you remember ....but at least she did tell the police ...I think that she is genuine in her feelings for her daughter....she loves her very much...poor thing..

Another thing, what in the hell is that sitting on top of Ron's sister's head? Is that supposed to be hair??? She is in need of a fashion make over if I ever saw one! meow meow....but seriously, is that not ugly? I was so distracted by that bad weave and comb over plastered bangs that I didn't hear part of the interview...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: theboyzmom on February 21, 2009, 10:41:30 AM
Sorry for the O/T but theboyzmom I left you a little note in musings...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4573.msg683686#msg683686

Answer for you over there.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: tcumom on February 21, 2009, 10:46:38 AM
Cookie ~ that hairdo get-up distracted me, too.  Glad I wasn't interviewing her...my eyes would have been glued to the top of her head.  Yes, I know I'm being tacky.....but, gosh, it looked like the hair on top of a doll. . . .synthetic. . . with Elmer's glue.  And, then, I was trying to count the piercings and just quit.  Please, folks, I know many have piercings....I'm just old-school and have trouble with them.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 21, 2009, 10:53:20 AM
I was wondering if TES used that new sonar underwater equipment they have when they searched.  It is really new technology, was reported on with Caylee's search.  I do not remember if TES even did water search or if it was LE.

Not sure but I think it was LE doing the water searches.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 21, 2009, 11:03:07 AM
If Geraldo had such a picture, then aren't there some requiements that it be reported to DFS ?
..
The sister's hairdo...meow .. loks like dolly hair from the dollar store.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Today on February 21, 2009, 11:07:50 AM
Don't know if this has been posted yet...

Jr. gives tips......video

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18763765/index.html

I'm glad to hear they are getting info from him

I think he could provide some info...Yay! but does anyone think it odd that Crystal is just coming forth with that and that she said that she didn't question him??? If that was my kid and I thought that he knew anything I would be What! tell me what you remember ....but at least she did tell the police ...I think that she is genuine in her feelings for her daughter....she loves her very much...poor thing..

Another thing, what in the hell is that sitting on top of Ron's sister's head? Is that supposed to be hair??? She is in need of a fashion make over if I ever saw one! meow meow....but seriously, is that not ugly? I was so distracted by that bad weave and comb over plastered bangs that I didn't hear part of the interview...
My guess is the police told Crystal not to question her son if he said anything.  If needed as evidence the mother questioning the child would not be taken as reliable.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 21, 2009, 11:19:24 AM
One of the Grandmothers, I beliver Neves said that Haleigh had been in the hospital quite a few times for the Turner syndrome and its ramifications to her immune system...
It must be difficult for these people to be in front of the cameras daily. They have to know what we are thinking.
My daughter does not agree with me about the Dad. I asked her why and she said, well, he wasn't home when she disappeared and he has been out searching. She is usually pretty sharp and I trust her opinion. In her line of work and her previous job, she met plenty of wife beaters / killers when they were arrested and held on charges. ..
there you go .. perception ..
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pharlap on February 21, 2009, 11:31:21 AM
Don't know if this has been put up yet.

Video of camper the family can use till they can get back in there house.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=immersiveplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=e91276d17ee6ae4cc3bcd3da8b1d0b7d36168356&maven_referralObject=1041985211 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 21, 2009, 11:38:01 AM
I don't think that the dad had anything to do with her disappearance...he may be an a hole and has a temper, but just look at some of the pictures of Haleigh, and some pictures with them together...the one with the fish comes to mind... He has a kind face whenever she is with him....from what I have seen anyway...People who don't care for their children don't take pictures of such incidents like first day of school, catching fish, running around playing....If he wasn't a decent fellow in some ways, would he have fought for custody of the kids? wouldn't he have just let the mom have them and he would certainly have more freedom to run around etc...lots of fathers don't even take their visitation time with their kids...he fought for custody..
He is very young....he is not very educated etc...he doesn't articulate his words as well as some might, but I feel he loves his children ..Another thing, with him having to work nights, perhaps he wanted Misty to live with them so that he would have child care for the kids while he was trying to earn a living....Would his parents or anyone else volunteer to keep the kids every night while he worked? I think that he was just trying to do the best that he could with what he had....survival?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 21, 2009, 11:41:17 AM
Don't know if this has been put up yet.

Video of camper the family can use till they can get back in there house.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=immersiveplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=e91276d17ee6ae4cc3bcd3da8b1d0b7d36168356&maven_referralObject=1041985211 ::MonkeyHaHa::

People are basically good aren't they? Now if only the mom can get some shelter as well...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 21, 2009, 12:35:02 PM
Geraldo, needs to stop getting into the middle of these investigations and stick to reporting the weather, (which he cant even do right) he is gonna mess something up big time proclaiming to have something and then stopping short with the proof, I think a missing child is to important to try to push your way into wihout just coming right out and saying and showing what you are talking about......I truly truly hope that if he posts a picture and it turns out to be something where the child fell down or got into a shoveing match with another child and received these bruises, this family or somebody associated with them sue's Geraldo's azz, and then maybe he will start looking for missing pets and leave the hard stuff to the LE where it belongs!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 01:09:25 PM
I don't think that the dad had anything to do with her disappearance...he may be an a hole and has a temper, but just look at some of the pictures of Haleigh, and some pictures with them together...the one with the fish comes to mind... He has a kind face whenever she is with him....from what I have seen anyway...People who don't care for their children don't take pictures of such incidents like first day of school, catching fish, running around playing....If he wasn't a decent fellow in some ways, would he have fought for custody of the kids? wouldn't he have just let the mom have them  and he would certainly have more freedom to run around etc...lots of fathers don't even take their visitation time with their kids...he fought for custody..
He is very young....he is not very educated etc...he doesn't articulate his words as well as some might, but I feel he loves his children ..Another thing, with him having to work nights, perhaps he wanted Misty to live with them so that he would have child care for the kids while he was trying to earn a living....Would his parents or anyone else volunteer to keep the kids every night while he worked? I think that he was just trying to do the best that he could with what he had....survival?

I'm not saying this is this case here, but just because a man files for cudtody doesn;t mean they do it for the right reasons.......my e fought for custody of his boys because in his mind it proved to others, he was the "better" parent, and he didn't want to pay child support. There are even some wo want custody because they have to be the ones in control. My ex was pure evil, had plenty of wonderful pictures of him and the boys together, (bought and paid for custody of my stepsons), yet was an abuser...go figure ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 01:22:28 PM
Don't know if this has been put up yet.

Video of camper the family can use till they can get back in there house.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=immersiveplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=e91276d17ee6ae4cc3bcd3da8b1d0b7d36168356&maven_referralObject=1041985211 ::MonkeyHaHa::

People are basically good aren't they? Now if only the mom can get some shelter as well...

I soooo agree~I'm so sick of NG and the poor, poor RC living in a tent....wth about Haleighs mom? If I had the money, I'd send one down there for her. I feel terrible for her and her family.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 21, 2009, 01:33:13 PM
Part of why he got custody was he had the health care insurance. Although that doesn't make much sense to me as he could have carried the kids on his insurance regardless.
If the Mom got custody he would have had to pay child support. 
Mom seemed very uninvolved to me.
Maybe the lesser of two evils in the courts perception. Without knowing the entire situation and ever meeting these people except in sound bites, it's hard to really make a determination.
Except, I still can't warm up to any of them. My heart does go out to Mrs. Neves, the paternal Grandmother. She does seem like a good soul who is there for her granddaughter. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: BooMonkey on February 21, 2009, 01:33:58 PM
I wonder if Jr's comments about the man dressed all in black came out of the blue or was someone asking him about the incident? Didn't LE have someone talk to the little boy when this first happened? He was in the home at the time Haleigh went missing, if he was awake when this happened, why didn't he cry out or seek out Misty or his father before hand? I know he's just a little guy, but it sounds strange that he came up with this days later.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 21, 2009, 01:42:35 PM
I wonder if Jr's comments about the man dressed all in black came out of the blue or was someone asking him about the incident? Didn't LE have someone talk to the little boy when this first happened? He was in the home at the time Haleigh went missing, if he was awake when this happened, why didn't he cry out or seek out Misty or his father before hand? I know he's just a little guy, but it sounds strange that he came up with this days later.
[/quote    Hello Boo,  I dont think they want to question someone so little, I heard that if they do he might just make up things or say stuff that he might have overheard, you know how kids that age are, I think they tell everybody not to question him, but if he should just come out on his own and say something then they have to report it!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Puzzler on February 21, 2009, 02:18:22 PM
Geraldo, needs to stop getting into the middle of these investigations and stick to reporting the weather, (which he cant even do right) he is gonna mess something up big time proclaiming to have something and then stopping short with the proof, I think a missing child is to important to try to push your way into wihout just coming right out and saying and showing what you are talking about......I truly truly hope that if he posts a picture and it turns out to be something where the child fell down or got into a shoveing match with another child and received these bruises, this family or somebody associated with them sue's Geraldo's azz, and then maybe he will start looking for missing pets and leave the hard stuff to the LE where it belongs!!!!!!!!!!

OT I'm glad Geraldo is no longer reporting on Caylee and having JB on his show!



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 21, 2009, 02:32:24 PM
Camper that a woman donated the use of arrived yesterday for Ronald to use:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image33.jpg)

(no point other than that.)

Not much else to say today, unfortunately.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 21, 2009, 02:42:28 PM
As for the new details, family members said Haleigh has two brown birth marks: the larger one is on her left cheekbone and a smaller one is on the right side of her face, just above the jaw.

Also, she has strawberry blond hair with hints of red in it, not just blond hair.

Family members said her fingers and toes are chubbier than those of other children her size and age, and her left eye is a "lazy eye."

<snipped>
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090221/ARTICLES/902211010/1002?Title=Haleigh-s-relatives-keep-story-in-forefront

Perhaps this is what some of us thought was a bruise or food?

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image2-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 21, 2009, 02:45:28 PM
HLN was just talking about the fact that she has turners syndrome (?) and that she needs to be treated for it...symptoms are fatigue, lung infections, sore throats among other things...Poor little mite...hope she is brought home at any moment...Praying for her....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 21, 2009, 02:47:15 PM
I wonder if Jr's comments about the man dressed all in black came out of the blue or was someone asking him about the incident? Didn't LE have someone talk to the little boy when this first happened? He was in the home at the time Haleigh went missing, if he was awake when this happened, why didn't he cry out or seek out Misty or his father before hand? I know he's just a little guy, but it sounds strange that he came up with this days later.


Hey, maybe the guy dressed all in black was Leonard Padilla.  ::MonkeyConfused::  ::MonkeyHaHa:: 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 21, 2009, 02:53:19 PM
As I mentioned last night, FEMA has thousands of vacant trailers.  Can a Floridian Monkey call the local office and attempt to get her one?  Sounds to me like these folks are suffering a disaster, albeit a personal one.

Sounds like a no-brainer to me. :smt102


Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 21, 2009, 02:56:17 PM
As I mentioned last night, FEMA has thousands of vacant trailers.  Can a Floridian Monkey call the local office and attempt to get her one?  Sounds to me like these folks are suffering a disaster, albeit a personal one.

Sounds like a no-brainer to me. :smt102


Foggy


brilliant idea! no brainer to me as well....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: FloridaKatz on February 21, 2009, 03:02:34 PM
As I mentioned last night, FEMA has thousands of vacant trailers.  Can a Floridian Monkey call the local office and attempt to get her one?  Sounds to me like these folks are suffering a disaster, albeit a personal one.

Sounds like a no-brainer to me. :smt102


Foggy


brilliant idea! no brainer to me as well....

I'm a Floridian, and I'll call FEMA.  How many trailors do you think I should ask them to send ?

Also, as much as many of us don't like Geraldo, he is supposed to be having his show from Satsuma tonight.  He did a 10 minute snippet on the O'Reilly Factor last night, and says he has a photo of Haleigh that he got from the mom's side of the family, where it's a frontal shot, and her little face is covered with bruises, her bottom lip is busted, and that the father claims those injuries happened at her school, and that it's why she's missed so much school since the start of January (over 30 days).  I'm going to reserve my feelings for the dad's side of the family until I hear more about this photo.  Bill O'Reilly said they won't release the photo on Fox until the Fox Legal Team can confirm the photo and what's on it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 21, 2009, 03:02:43 PM
As I mentioned last night, FEMA has thousands of vacant trailers.  Can a Floridian Monkey call the local office and attempt to get her one?  Sounds to me like these folks are suffering a disaster, albeit a personal one.

Sounds like a no-brainer to me. :smt102


Foggy


brilliant idea! no brainer to me as well....

Agreed, but FEMA trailers are government trailers intended for natural disaster victims. I cannot imagine the red tape involved in getting one released for this circumstance.

Good idea, but I doubt it could be implemented.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 21, 2009, 03:25:40 PM
agreed...the government would rather have the trailers sit than to help out someone who needs them, such as in this case... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: OriginalKat on February 21, 2009, 03:30:24 PM
I have been on the website for awhile now and haven't caught the presser. Did anyone else know about it or catch? There are no updates that it was held yet.
www.firstcoastnews.com (http://www.firstcoastnews.com)

LIVE WEBCAST: 3:00 News Conference on Search for Haleigh
Posted By: Michelle Jacobs     Created: 6/14/2008 10:23:50 AM    Updated: 2/21/2009 2:45:23 PM


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: OriginalKat on February 21, 2009, 03:45:56 PM
Glad I copy and pasted the headline on the presser because now it is gone from the website and the latest video is last night at 5pm form what I see. The screen actually for almost 30 min was black and now when you go to the website it has old videos.

I am in Jax and have First Coast News channel on so if anything changes I will post. Right now regular programming. I would think if they canceled they would have posted it on the web.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 21, 2009, 03:56:01 PM
As I mentioned last night, FEMA has thousands of vacant trailers.  Can a Floridian Monkey call the local office and attempt to get her one?  Sounds to me like these folks are suffering a disaster, albeit a personal one.

Sounds like a no-brainer to me. :smt102


Foggy


brilliant idea! no brainer to me as well....

I'm a Floridian, and I'll call FEMA.  How many trailors do you think I should ask them to send ?

Also, as much as many of us don't like Geraldo, he is supposed to be having his show from Satsuma tonight.  He did a 10 minute snippet on the O'Reilly Factor last night, and says he has a photo of Haleigh that he got from the mom's side of the family, where it's a frontal shot, and her little face is covered with bruises, her bottom lip is busted, and that the father claims those injuries happened at her school, and that it's why she's missed so much school since the start of January (over 30 days).  I'm going to reserve my feelings for the dad's side of the family until I hear more about this photo.  Bill O'Reilly said they won't release the photo on Fox until the Fox Legal Team can confirm the photo and what's on it.


Gee, I don't know how many since I'm not up on all the relatives.  I'm mainly concerned about Haleigh's mom and grandma since they are so far from home (iirc).  And to heck w/red tape.  Anyway, its worth a shot I think.  But maybe RC is being a gentleman and letting his ex and Grandma have the one that's been offered so far. :cool:


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 04:08:51 PM
Glad I copy and pasted the headline on the presser because now it is gone from the website and the latest video is last night at 5pm form what I see. The screen actually for almost 30 min was black and now when you go to the website it has old videos.

I am in Jax and have First Coast News channel on so if anything changes I will post. Right now regular programming. I would think if they canceled they would have posted it on the web.


I saw it......really some old stuff over and over. The only new item I found interesting was they have interviewed the cousin and he is NOT a suspect.......so, how come they can clear him and not Misty and RC, the pressers are so frustrating because they are incredibly vague. I wouldthink they would at least put any rumors that are unfounded to bed so as not to perpetuate speculation.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: OriginalKat on February 21, 2009, 04:15:20 PM
Glad I copy and pasted the headline on the presser because now it is gone from the website and the latest video is last night at 5pm form what I see. The screen actually for almost 30 min was black and now when you go to the website it has old videos.

I am in Jax and have First Coast News channel on so if anything changes I will post. Right now regular programming. I would think if they canceled they would have posted it on the web.


I saw it......really some old stuff over and over. The only new item I found interesting was they have interviewed the cousin and he is NOT a suspect.......so, how come they can clear him and not Misty and RC, the pressers are so frustrating because they are incredibly vague. I wouldthink they would at least put any rumors that are unfounded to bed so as not to perpetuate speculation.
Thanks for the info. I guess I was too late. Must be why they didn't update the website yet. Well that is weird to clear the cousin like that. I think everyone is a suspect until they figure out what really happened. I know the dad was at work from 6pm that evening so I would cancel him off first as long as work records check out. Other than that I think everyone else is a suspect. THhey are very tight lipped but I guess that is good in some ways. My daughter at first thought the sheriff was upset when giving pressers but I explained to her he just took over in Jan so he is probably wasn't expecting to give pressers everyday.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 21, 2009, 04:35:38 PM
agreed...the government would rather have the trailers sit than to help out someone who needs them, such as in this case... ::MonkeyNoNo::

You'd think the Red Cross could help.

But since Ronald got the use of that trailer, only Crystal's family needs one now.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 21, 2009, 04:43:37 PM
O/T.Klaas.NH thread.Thanx!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 21, 2009, 05:19:45 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131873&catid=3

Volunteers Search around Haleigh's Home
Posted By: Talia Naquin     27 mins ago


SATSUMA, FL -- While investigators are taking the weekend off from searching for Haleigh Cummings, a small group of volunteers searched the area around the little girl's home today.

About 15 people spent the day walking through the wooded area near the little girl's mobile home.

In the meantime, Haleigh's family continues to wait for any information from law enforcement.

"It's a lot of family support. It's a lot of community support," says Haleigh's grandmother, Teresa Neves. "It's all up to God - I know that he's keeping my baby safe out there somewhere."

When asked about Misty Croslin's cousin, "Joe" in Tennessee, Neves tolf First Coast News that she does't know him.

Croslin, the girlfriend of Haleigh's father, said earlier that she doesn't trust her cousin. He is beinf questioned by law enforcement officials and has a criminal record.

"If his cousin doesn't trust him - that doesn't makes me feel good," said Neves.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Western Observr on February 21, 2009, 05:27:57 PM
Glad I copy and pasted the headline on the presser because now it is gone from the website and the latest video is last night at 5pm form what I see. The screen actually for almost 30 min was black and now when you go to the website it has old videos.

I am in Jax and have First Coast News channel on so if anything changes I will post. Right now regular programming. I would think if they canceled they would have posted it on the web.


I saw it......really some old stuff over and over. The only new item I found interesting was they have interviewed the cousin and he is NOT a suspect.......so, how come they can clear him and not Misty and RC, the pressers are so frustrating because they are incredibly vague. I wouldthink they would at least put any rumors that are unfounded to bed so as not to perpetuate speculation.
Thanks for the info. I guess I was too late. Must be why they didn't update the website yet. Well that is weird to clear the cousin like that. I think everyone is a suspect until they figure out what really happened. I know the dad was at work from 6pm that evening so I would cancel him off first as long as work records check out. Other than that I think everyone else is a suspect. THhey are very tight lipped but I guess that is good in some ways. My daughter at first thought the sheriff was upset when giving pressers but I explained to her he just took over in Jan so he is probably wasn't expecting to give pressers everyday.

Maybe they are giving him (cousin) enough rope to hang himself (or reveal where Haleigh is)?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 21, 2009, 05:48:04 PM
May have already been posted:

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090221/ARTICLES/902210953/1002?Title=Cousin-in-Tennessee-not-a-suspect-in-Haleigh-s-disappearance

Cousin in Tennessee not a suspect in Haleigh's disappearance

By Cindy Swirko
Staff writer


Published: Saturday, February 21, 2009 at 5:26 p.m.
Last Modified: Saturday, February 21, 2009 at 5:26 p.m.

SATSUMA -- The search for Haleigh Cummings was scaled back Saturday, but investigators continued to run down leads in hoped that one will take them to the 5-year-old who family members say was last seen Feb. 9 in her home.

A few volunteers searched near the Satsuma home in which Haleigh lived with her father, Ronald Cummings, and his girlfriend, Misty Croslin. Putnam County Sheriff’s Capt. Dick Schauland said the department had no organized searches on Saturday.

Schauland added that a cousin of Croslin who lives in Tennessee but had recently visited the area is not a suspect or “person of interest” in the case.

“We got a lead about him early on and interviewed him. He is not a suspect,” Schauland said. “At the moment, we have no searches. We are following up on leads. The investigation is going on.”

Schauland added that no searches were planned for Sunday but added that could change depending on any leads that might come in.

A few individuals searched on their own, stopping by an area down the street from the Cummings home where members of Ronald Cummings’ family have gathered since the case began.

Members of the Christian Motorcycle Association based in Putnam County also stopped by to pray with family members for Haleigh’s return.

“We’re just here to lend support,” said member Barbara Rains. “We want to pray with them.”

Barbie Squires, Haleigh’s paternal great-grandmother, said the family plans to remain camped at the site as long as the property owner allows it or until Haleigh is found.

Squires said the ordeal is wearing on the family, including Haleigh’s 3-year-old brother Ronnie Jr., who was also in the house when family members say Haleigh disappeared.

“He’s not doing well at all. He realizes what’s going on,” Squires said. “Today he went

to his granny’s house and she gave him a soda. He was pouring it in a glass. She asked him why and he said he was pouring half of it for his sister.”

Cummings said he has not worked since Haleigh vanished. Squires said an account — the Haleigh Cummings Family Relief Fund — has been established at Bank of America.

A reward of up to $20,000 is being offered in the case. Anyone with information can call a tips line at 888-227-TIPS.

Croslin, 17, said she discovered Haleigh missing about 3 a.m. Feb. 9 when she awoke to use the bathroom. Haleigh had been sleeping on one of two beds in the master bedroom, Croslin said.

Schauland said in a press conference Saturday that 4,786 man hours have been spent by law enforcement on the ground, air and water searches, while sheriff’s investigators have spent 1,626 hours investigating leads. Volunteer search hours total more than 4,000. The number of leads is now up to 1,600.

“Some of the leads end up going nowhere, but you have to run them down,” Schauland said. “Somewhere along the line is going to be the tip that will lead us to her. Sooner or later we are going to find it.”

Contact Cindy Swirko at 374-5024 or at



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 06:04:11 PM
Glad I copy and pasted the headline on the presser because now it is gone from the website and the latest video is last night at 5pm form what I see. The screen actually for almost 30 min was black and now when you go to the website it has old videos.

I am in Jax and have First Coast News channel on so if anything changes I will post. Right now regular programming. I would think if they canceled they would have posted it on the web.


I saw it......really some old stuff over and over. The only new item I found interesting was they have interviewed the cousin and he is NOT a suspect.......so, how come they can clear him and not Misty and RC, the pressers are so frustrating because they are incredibly vague. I wouldthink they would at least put any rumors that are unfounded to bed so as not to perpetuate speculation.
Thanks for the info. I guess I was too late. Must be why they didn't update the website yet. Well that is weird to clear the cousin like that. I think everyone is a suspect until they figure out what really happened. I know the dad was at work from 6pm that evening so I would cancel him off first as long as work records check out. Other than that I think everyone else is a suspect. THhey are very tight lipped but I guess that is good in some ways. My daughter at first thought the sheriff was upset when giving pressers but I explained to her he just took over in Jan so he is probably wasn't expecting to give pressers everyday.

Maybe they are giving him (cousin) enough rope to hang himself (or reveal where Haleigh is)?

I am leaning towards believing them, if he were a suspect still I think they'd be saying everybody is a suspect.....also, I asked this question last night WHO saw this cousin???? Did RC see him, the neighbors or is he someone MC is throwing under the bus to take the suspicion off of her......after all RC's mom said the gun incident was 2 weeks ago and RC said it NEVER happened. I don't trust anything these 2 say unless I have heard it in an official cpacity. I justthink Misty has changed her story way too often and is reaching to take the spotlight off of her inconsistencies. I am still wavering to with RC, I just feel something odd about the entire situation and can't put my finger on it. Maybe it was the 911 call, he states over and over "I was at work", and later I don't care if you record this......he knows very well it is being recorded and I want to know if he was at work the entire time (LE never answered that uestion), because in one of his interviews he stated he was there when Haliegh was put into bed. I can find the link if I need to.......just something isn't sitting well with me. I could be wrong, but those are my gut feelings.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Port Valerie on February 21, 2009, 06:23:25 PM
Regarding that picture:

Could be food, as someone says. To me, looks like fingerpaint on her fingers. And don't dismiss bugbites for the red circles on her arm -- this is Florida and she lives in a wooded area. Kids do poke around in leaves and dirt.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 06:34:36 PM
Glad I copy and pasted the headline on the presser because now it is gone from the website and the latest video is last night at 5pm form what I see. The screen actually for almost 30 min was black and now when you go to the website it has old videos.

I am in Jax and have First Coast News channel on so if anything changes I will post. Right now regular programming. I would think if they canceled they would have posted it on the web.


I saw it......really some old stuff over and over. The only new item I found interesting was they have interviewed the cousin and he is NOT a suspect.......so, how come they can clear him and not Misty and RC, the pressers are so frustrating because they are incredibly vague. I wouldthink they would at least put any rumors that are unfounded to bed so as not to perpetuate speculation.
Thanks for the info. I guess I was too late. Must be why they didn't update the website yet. Well that is weird to clear the cousin like that. I think everyone is a suspect until they figure out what really happened. I know the dad was at work from 6pm that evening so I would cancel him off first as long as work records check out. Other than that I think everyone else is a suspect. THhey are very tight lipped but I guess that is good in some ways. My daughter at first thought the sheriff was upset when giving pressers but I explained to her he just took over in Jan so he is probably wasn't expecting to give pressers everyday.

Maybe they are giving him (cousin) enough rope to hang himself (or reveal where Haleigh is)?

I am leaning towards believing them, if he were a suspect still I think they'd be saying everybody is a suspect.....also, I asked this question last night WHO saw this cousin???? Did RC see him, the neighbors or is he someone MC is throwing under the bus to take the suspicion off of her......after all RC's mom said the gun incident was 2 weeks ago and RC said it NEVER happened. I don't trust anything these 2 say unless I have heard it in an official cpacity. I justthink Misty has changed her story way too often and is reaching to take the spotlight off of her inconsistencies. I am still wavering to with RC, I just feel something odd about the entire situation and can't put my finger on it. Maybe it was the 911 call, he states over and over "I was at work", and later I don't care if you record this......he knows very well it is being recorded and I want to know if he was at work the entire time (LE never answered that uestion), because in one of his interviews he stated he was there when Haliegh was put into bed. I can find the link if I need to.......just something isn't sitting well with me. I could be wrong, but those are my gut feelings.


Here it is......

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/16/amber_alert_ground_search_for_haleigh_to_end_monday.html


Amber Alert -- Polygraphs Continue On Haleigh’s Family
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SATSUMA -- Authorities in Putnam County said they have left no stone unturned in their search for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings, but despite their efforts, there are still no clues leading to the girl's whereabouts.

In an afternoon news conference, Dominic Pape, a special agent with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, said  they are moving from ground searches to a more tactical approach of following up tips and leads. They said they would search any place in the country or the world to look for Haleigh.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy confirmed that family members are currently taking polygraph tests.

Investigators admitted they were frustrated, but said they have made progress in their efforts to find Haleigh, who disappeared a week ago from her Satsuma home.

Cummings told Putnam County sheriff's deputies that he left his daughter and son in bed in the care of 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin. Croslin said when she got out of bed, she could not find Haleigh.

Maybe it was stated incorrectly,but by this report it sounds like HE LEFT THEM IN BED.......so, did he get a break during his shift and go back to the trailer- I don't know?? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Cappuccino on February 21, 2009, 07:09:47 PM
OMG just saw a promo just now on Foxnews,  Whoraldo's episode tonight shows Ron Cummings & his family getting might upset with Mr Sensationalism himself - o boi!  ::cartwheel::    I think Satsuma got word of the dirty players in the Caylee case...tune in tonight Foxnews cable Geraldo at Large 10pm eastern  9pm central - Ill look for a youtube late tonight or in the morning for those without cable


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 07:15:23 PM
 ::MonkeyTongue:: Fox news will have a update on this case as well as whorealdo and his "run in " with Ron's family when he tried to ask questions.....stay tuned ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Cappuccino on February 21, 2009, 07:17:36 PM
Apparently Whoraldo confronted Ron Cummings on allegations that he hit Haleigh in the past....no wonder.   Is it any wonder how Baez got to this has been sensationalist in Caylee's case?   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Today on February 21, 2009, 07:19:09 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: Fox news will have a update on this case as well as whorealdo and his "run in " with Ron's family when he tried to ask questions.....stay tuned ::MonkeyWink::
Wonder if it resembled the send off George, Dennis & Murt got?  Maybe Leonard got one also, however I cannot picture that.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 21, 2009, 07:31:02 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: Fox news will have a update on this case as well as whorealdo and his "run in " with Ron's family when he tried to ask questions.....stay tuned ::MonkeyWink::


Man, I saw this one coming. Why doesn't he leave them alone :smt018?  There'll be enough time for recriminations later.  I'm gonna write a nastygram to Fox.  :smt024

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 07:35:21 PM
 ::MonkeyEek:: WOW~2 different accounts from the vigil stated that Ron told them he was 75% sure he thought he knew he took Haleigh.......this ties into what he told TM, IIRC that he thought she was taken in retribution for something he did ::MonkeyShocked:: things that make you go hmmmmm.

I think he has something for 17yr old girls ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Cappuccino on February 21, 2009, 07:39:21 PM
Reporting as I hear it...clip before commercial shows Whoraldo face to face with Ron Cummings asking about a confrontation he had with someone over a gun - he is with Crystal the bio mom

Whoraldo said that his questioning made him not welcome -
Whoraldo puts it as if Ron has presented himself in an appropriate way and that the two different families have been civil

But the images of Ron Cummings is different than reported from Crystal - that he hit Crystal involving drugs (two relatives of Crystal Marcus & Chad)   is making accusations    Crystal is saying Ron had another 17 year old girlfriend besides Misty & Crystal was 17 when she had her two with him...Crystal standing by quiet - o man there is gonna be a brawl between these two families

Clip:

Yoiu told him you are sure who took Haleigh, Ron if I knew where Haleigh was I would go get here    Ron becomes upset that Crystal or Whoraldo is making up things, grandpa steps in and tells Whoraldo to leave
I said this from day one - Crystal is using this as a vendetta against Ron - that is EXTREMELY clear to me

WHOA!   Whoraldo states "Ron appears to be in an altered state when I interviewed him"   WTF is Whoraldo doing!    Crystal is a backstabbing bitter drug addict who lost custody of her kids...its clear she is on a vendetta  Ron may not be an angel either but this is TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE REPORTING

Tune in to watch the whole interview later...ill look for a youtube of it later


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: darla on February 21, 2009, 07:42:05 PM
Hello everyone, just stopping in to see if there was anything new on Haleigh. So many precious little ones being harmed.

Just saw where whoraldo has a run in with RC. Don't think Whoraldo knows who he is messing with. Just might be someone to shut his big mouth for a while.

IM what I don't understand is if Ron is 75% sure who has her why have we not heard about it. I would be shouting it out every chance I had.

Just do not know about these people. Thought I had seen everything with the Anthony's.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 07:55:20 PM
Reporting as I hear it...clip before commercial shows Whoraldo face to face with Ron Cummings asking about a confrontation he had with someone over a gun - he is with Crystal the bio mom

Whoraldo said that his questioning made him not welcome -
Whoraldo puts it as if Ron has presented himself in an appropriate way and that the two different families have been civil

But the images of Ron Cummings is different than reported from Crystal - that he hit Crystal involving drugs (two relatives of Crystal Marcus & Chad)   is making accusations    Crystal is saying Ron had another 17 year old girlfriend besides Misty & Crystal was 17 when she had her two with him...Crystal standing by quiet - o man there is gonna be a brawl between these two families

Clip:

Yoiu told him you are sure who took Haleigh, Ron if I knew where Haleigh was I would go get here    Ron becomes upset that Crystal or Whoraldo is making up things, grandpa steps in and tells Whoraldo to leave
I said this from day one - Crystal is using this as a vendetta against Ron - that is EXTREMELY clear to me

WHOA!   Whoraldo states "Ron appears to be in an altered state when I interviewed him"   WTF is Whoraldo doing!    Crystal is a backstabbing bitter drug addic ::MonkeyShocked::t who lost custody of her kids...its clear she is on a vendetta  Ron may not be an angel either but this is TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE REPORTING

Tune in to watch the whole interview later...ill look for a youtube of it later

I don't see it that way (that Crystal has a vendetta against him), maybe she's piizzed as I would be that he left her children with a nitwit at best and a POI at worst. It is a fact that he thinks he has another child with the 17yrd old girl named Amber-he answered possibly at the press conf this week, so that IS fact. The gun incident IS valid because RC denies it ever happened and his own mom says it was two weeks ago. Ron may hae won custody, but so did my ex ( ad he molested my son , and his other 2 boys as I foud out later), he pulled lots of nasty tricks on his ex wife during the court hearings etc.

It is irresponsible to state as fact that just because someone lost custody of their kids that it automatically makes the other parent the "bad one"..............

 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Puzzler on February 21, 2009, 07:58:48 PM
Hello everyone, just stopping in to see if there was anything new on Haleigh. So many precious little ones being harmed.

Just saw where whoraldo has a run in with RC. Don't think Whoraldo knows who he is messing with. Just might be someone to shut his big mouth for a while.

IM what I don't understand is if Ron is 75% sure who has her why have we not heard about it. I would be shouting it out every chance I had.

Just do not know about these people. Thought I had seen everything with the Anthony's.  ::MonkeyConfused::

The way I took it was that Ron (the father) was telling two other guys that Ron was 75% sure he knows who it is.  Geraldo was trying to get Ron to admit that.  You would think Ron would tell the police.  Geraldo was making comments about Ron's drug dealings and he's going to have to let the police know who he has been dealing with because the police have to know who to look at and question.  Guess Ron doesn't want to fess up about the people he has contact with IMO



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 08:03:02 PM
Hello everyone, just stopping in to see if there was anything new on Haleigh. So many precious little ones being harmed.

Just saw where whoraldo has a run in with RC. Don't think Whoraldo knows who he is messing with. Just might be someone to shut his big mouth for a while.

IM what I don't understand is if Ron is 75% sure who has her why have we not heard about it. I would be shouting it out every chance I had.

Just do not know about these people. Thought I had seen everything with the Anthony's.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Hi Darla, no clue there, but if what he said during the search is truly the way he sees things, then he belives someone took her out of retribution.....I don't know if I believe that or not though, but if he did he would know whose pizzed off at him and with his contolling behavoir, anger issues that could be many people.

I think DCS needs to get invoved for the sake of Ron Jr.  .........these kids deserve a better chance and a better enviroment, not some hothead with kids everywhere.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Puzzler on February 21, 2009, 08:05:28 PM
Reporting as I hear it...clip before commercial shows Whoraldo face to face with Ron Cummings asking about a confrontation he had with someone over a gun - he is with Crystal the bio mom

Whoraldo said that his questioning made him not welcome -
Whoraldo puts it as if Ron has presented himself in an appropriate way and that the two different families have been civil

But the images of Ron Cummings is different than reported from Crystal - that he hit Crystal involving drugs (two relatives of Crystal Marcus & Chad)   is making accusations    Crystal is saying Ron had another 17 year old girlfriend besides Misty & Crystal was 17 when she had her two with him...Crystal standing by quiet - o man there is gonna be a brawl between these two families

Clip:

Yoiu told him you are sure who took Haleigh, Ron if I knew where Haleigh was I would go get here    Ron becomes upset that Crystal or Whoraldo is making up things, grandpa steps in and tells Whoraldo to leave
I said this from day one - Crystal is using this as a vendetta against Ron - that is EXTREMELY clear to me

WHOA!   Whoraldo states "Ron appears to be in an altered state when I interviewed him"   WTF is Whoraldo doing!    Crystal is a backstabbing bitter drug addic ::MonkeyShocked::t who lost custody of her kids...its clear she is on a vendetta  Ron may not be an angel either but this is TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE REPORTING

Tune in to watch the whole interview later...ill look for a youtube of it later

I don't see it that way (that Crystal has a vendetta against him), maybe she's piizzed as I would be that he left her children with a nitwit at best and a POI at worst. It is a fact that he thinks he has another child with the 17yrd old girl named Amber-he answered possibly at the press conf this week, so that IS fact. The gun incident IS valid because RC denies it ever happened and his own mom says it was two weeks ago. Ron may hae won custody, but so did my ex ( ad he molested my son , and his other 2 boys as I foud out later), he pulled lots of nasty tricks on his ex wife during the court hearings etc.

It is irresponsible to state as fact that just because someone lost custody of their kids that it automatically makes the other parent the "bad one"..............

 

It's a fact that Haleigh's mom was pregnant with her at 17 and that Ron has a one y.o. son with another person and she was pregnant at 17 and that Ron is living with yet a third 17 y.o. girl right now.  He started out with a 17 y.o. six years ago and he's still with a 17 y.o. and he's now 25. 

I don't really care much for Geraldo, but he does have a point.  There is tremendous amount of time, money and volunteering from people to search for this little girl.  Ron is known for his drug use and problems therewith.  It is a real possibility that he made one of the people he encounters in his drug use (Ron's obviously a hothead) and that one of them has done something with Haleigh.  Ron needs to be open with the police about all these people he has contact with, especially if he's 75% sure who it could be.  Ron said that either the two guys were lying or Geraldo was lying because he never said that.  Hmmm....



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Cappuccino on February 21, 2009, 08:06:37 PM
Reporting as I hear it...clip before commercial shows Whoraldo face to face with Ron Cummings asking about a confrontation he had with someone over a gun - he is with Crystal the bio mom

Whoraldo said that his questioning made him not welcome -
Whoraldo puts it as if Ron has presented himself in an appropriate way and that the two different families have been civil

But the images of Ron Cummings is different than reported from Crystal - that he hit Crystal involving drugs (two relatives of Crystal Marcus & Chad)   is making accusations    Crystal is saying Ron had another 17 year old girlfriend besides Misty & Crystal was 17 when she had her two with him...Crystal standing by quiet - o man there is gonna be a brawl between these two families

Clip:

Yoiu told him you are sure who took Haleigh, Ron if I knew where Haleigh was I would go get here    Ron becomes upset that Crystal or Whoraldo is making up things, grandpa steps in and tells Whoraldo to leave
I said this from day one - Crystal is using this as a vendetta against Ron - that is EXTREMELY clear to me

WHOA!   Whoraldo states "Ron appears to be in an altered state when I interviewed him"   WTF is Whoraldo doing!    Crystal is a backstabbing bitter drug addic ::MonkeyShocked::t who lost custody of her kids...its clear she is on a vendetta  Ron may not be an angel either but this is TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE REPORTING

Tune in to watch the whole interview later...ill look for a youtube of it later

I don't see it that way (that Crystal has a vendetta against him), maybe she's piizzed as I would be that he left her children with a nitwit at best and a POI at worst. It is a fact that he thinks he has another child with the 17yrd old girl named Amber-he answered possibly at the press conf this week, so that IS fact. The gun incident IS valid because RC denies it ever happened and his own mom says it was two weeks ago. Ron may hae won custody, but so did my ex ( ad he molested my son , and his other 2 boys as I foud out later), he pulled lots of nasty tricks on his ex wife during the court hearings etc.

It is irresponsible to state as fact that just because someone lost custody of their kids that it automatically makes the other parent the "bad one"..............

 

While Ron's past maybe shady as well as Crystal it is also FACT that she has yet to admit she had a continuing drug problem that she lost custody of her children for but her own father admitted that and it is a FACT that she has done nothing but make accusations against Ron - she may be upset that he left their children with a 17 yr old but had she been a responsible mother she wouldnt have lost custody either - I know you may have had an experience BUT the court records in their case will make it clear despite Crystal not being forthcoming about them, is there a chance the wrong parent got custody...in this case at the time it occurred, probably not.   I know Ron had a confrontation with a cousin which is fact.  To say Ron was in an "altered state" is what is irresponsible - it was a derogatory statement meant to inflame & apparently Geraoldo has taken sides.    Me, I have no sides I think both of these families are a hot mess & yet once again  children are victims as a result of it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 08:06:58 PM
Hello everyone, just stopping in to see if there was anything new on Haleigh. So many precious little ones being harmed.

Just saw where whoraldo has a run in with RC. Don't think Whoraldo knows who he is messing with. Just might be someone to shut his big mouth for a while.

IM what I don't understand is if Ron is 75% sure who has her why have we not heard about it. I would be shouting it out every chance I had.

Just do not know about these people. Thought I had seen everything with the Anthony's.  ::MonkeyConfused::

The way I took it was that Ron (the father) was telling two other guys that Ron was 75% sure he knows who it is.  Geraldo was trying to get Ron to admit that.  You would think Ron would tell the police.  Geraldo was making comments about Ron's drug dealings and he's going to have to let the police know who he has been dealing with because the police have to know who to look at and question.  Guess Ron doesn't want to fess up about the people he has contact with IMO



insert agreeing monkey here.......great point and sad, you think you would do ANYTHING to find your child. These are valid questions that LE looks at all the time, and the earlier that LE can clear them up the quicker they can move on. It's a shame they haven't been able to clear rc and gf, yet they cleared the cousin.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 21, 2009, 08:08:28 PM
OMG just saw a promo just now on Foxnews,  Whoraldo's episode tonight shows Ron Cummings & his family getting might upset with Mr Sensationalism himself - o boi!  ::cartwheel::    I think Satsuma got word of the dirty players in the Caylee case...tune in tonight Foxnews cable Geraldo at Large 10pm eastern  9pm central - Ill look for a youtube late tonight or in the morning for those without cable
Man oh man!

I swore off Geraldo a long time ago.

Now I have to watch him tonight to keep abreast of this case?

I just hate everything about that Geraldo guy!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 08:13:20 PM
Reporting as I hear it...clip before commercial shows Whoraldo face to face with Ron Cummings asking about a confrontation he had with someone over a gun - he is with Crystal the bio mom

Whoraldo said that his questioning made him not welcome -
Whoraldo puts it as if Ron has presented himself in an appropriate way and that the two different families have been civil

But the images of Ron Cummings is different than reported from Crystal - that he hit Crystal involving drugs (two relatives of Crystal Marcus & Chad)   is making accusations    Crystal is saying Ron had another 17 year old girlfriend besides Misty & Crystal was 17 when she had her two with him...Crystal standing by quiet - o man there is gonna be a brawl between these two families

Clip:

Yoiu told him you are sure who took Haleigh, Ron if I knew where Haleigh was I would go get here    Ron becomes upset that Crystal or Whoraldo is making up things, grandpa steps in and tells Whoraldo to leave
I said this from day one - Crystal is using this as a vendetta against Ron - that is EXTREMELY clear to me

WHOA!   Whoraldo states "Ron appears to be in an altered state when I interviewed him"   WTF is Whoraldo doing!    Crystal is a backstabbing bitter drug addic ::MonkeyShocked::t who lost custody of her kids...its clear she is on a vendetta  Ron may not be an angel either but this is TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE REPORTING

Tune in to watch the whole interview later...ill look for a youtube of it later

I don't see it that way (that Crystal has a vendetta against him), maybe she's piizzed as I would be that he left her children with a nitwit at best and a POI at worst. It is a fact that he thinks he has another child with the 17yrd old girl named Amber-he answered possibly at the press conf this week, so that IS fact. The gun incident IS valid because RC denies it ever happened and his own mom says it was two weeks ago. Ron may hae won custody, but so did my ex ( ad he molested my son , and his other 2 boys as I foud out later), he pulled lots of nasty tricks on his ex wife during the court hearings etc.

It is irresponsible to state as fact that just because someone lost custody of their kids that it automatically makes the other parent the "bad one"..............

 

While Ron's past maybe shady as well as Crystal it is also FACT that she has yet to admit she had a continuing drug problem that she lost custody of her children for but her own father admitted that and it is a FACT that she has done nothing but make accusations against Ron - she may be upset that he left their children with a 17 yr old but had she been a responsible mother she wouldnt have lost custody either - I know you may have had an experience BUT the court records in their case will make it clear despite Crystal not being forthcoming about them, is there a chance the wrong parent got custody...in this case at the time it occurred, probably not.   I know Ron had a confrontation with a cousin which is fact.  To say Ron was in an "altered state" is what is irresponsible - it was a derogatory statement meant to inflame & apparently Geraoldo has taken sides.    Me, I have no sides I think both of these families are a hot mess & yet once again  children are victims as a result of it.

I've seen the court records and IT IS NOT CLEAR to me, that's my opinion, yours differs, no point in arguing over that. HOW do you know about the confrontation as a FACT with the cousin?????

I call things like I see them an in previous very early interviews RC did deem to be in a altered state.....I agree these kids are victims, but I think this time Geraldo's questions are valid. Also, I think the bio mom has been very restrained and not been hurlin accusations (which I would have) considering the miserable circumstances these children are in.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 08:16:22 PM
Reporting as I hear it...clip before commercial shows Whoraldo face to face with Ron Cummings asking about a confrontation he had with someone over a gun - he is with Crystal the bio mom

Whoraldo said that his questioning made him not welcome -
Whoraldo puts it as if Ron has presented himself in an appropriate way and that the two different families have been civil

But the images of Ron Cummings is different than reported from Crystal - that he hit Crystal involving drugs (two relatives of Crystal Marcus & Chad)   is making accusations    Crystal is saying Ron had another 17 year old girlfriend besides Misty & Crystal was 17 when she had her two with him...Crystal standing by quiet - o man there is gonna be a brawl between these two families

Clip:

Yoiu told him you are sure who took Haleigh, Ron if I knew where Haleigh was I would go get here    Ron becomes upset that Crystal or Whoraldo is making up things, grandpa steps in and tells Whoraldo to leave
I said this from day one - Crystal is using this as a vendetta against Ron - that is EXTREMELY clear to me

WHOA!   Whoraldo states "Ron appears to be in an altered state when I interviewed him"   WTF is Whoraldo doing!    Crystal is a backstabbing bitter drug addic ::MonkeyShocked::t who lost custody of her kids...its clear she is on a vendetta  Ron may not be an angel either but this is TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE REPORTING

Tune in to watch the whole interview later...ill look for a youtube of it later

I don't see it that way (that Crystal has a vendetta against him), maybe she's piizzed as I would be that he left her children with a nitwit at best and a POI at worst. It is a fact that he thinks he has another child with the 17yrd old girl named Amber-he answered possibly at the press conf this week, so that IS fact. The gun incident IS valid because RC denies it ever happened and his own mom says it was two weeks ago. Ron may hae won custody, but so did my ex ( ad he molested my son , and his other 2 boys as I foud out later), he pulled lots of nasty tricks on his ex wife during the court hearings etc.

It is irresponsible to state as fact that just because someone lost custody of their kids that it automatically makes the other parent the "bad one"..............

 

It's a fact that Haleigh's mom was pregnant with her at 17 and that Ron has a one y.o. son with another person and she was pregnant at 17 and that Ron is living with yet a third 17 y.o. girl right now.  He started out with a 17 y.o. six years ago and he's still with a 17 y.o. and he's now 25. 

I don't really care much for Geraldo, but he does have a point.  There is tremendous amount of time, money and volunteering from people to search for this little girl.  Ron is known for his drug use and problems therewith.  It is a real possibility that he made one of the people he encounters in his drug use (Ron's obviously a hothead) and that one of them has done something with Haleigh.  Ron needs to be open with the police about all these people he has contact with, especially if he's 75% sure who it could be.  Ron said that either the two guys were lying or Geraldo was lying because he never said that.  Hmmm....






I guess his mom is lying about the gun incident also, because HE denies it ever happened. hmmmmmm again!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 21, 2009, 08:19:33 PM
Cappuccino stated:
Quote
Me, I have no sides I think both of these families are a hot mess & yet once again children are victims as a result of it.

I so agree with this!

Says it all.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 21, 2009, 08:42:41 PM
Glad I copy and pasted the headline on the presser because now it is gone from the website and the latest video is last night at 5pm form what I see. The screen actually for almost 30 min was black and now when you go to the website it has old videos.

I am in Jax and have First Coast News channel on so if anything changes I will post. Right now regular programming. I would think if they canceled they would have posted it on the web.


I saw it......really some old stuff over and over. The only new item I found interesting was they have interviewed the cousin and he is NOT a suspect.......so, how come they can clear him and not Misty and RC, the pressers are so frustrating because they are incredibly vague. I wouldthink they would at least put any rumors that are unfounded to bed so as not to perpetuate speculation.
Thanks for the info. I guess I was too late. Must be why they didn't update the website yet. Well that is weird to clear the cousin like that. I think everyone is a suspect until they figure out what really happened. I know the dad was at work from 6pm that evening so I would cancel him off first as long as work records check out. Other than that I think everyone else is a suspect. THhey are very tight lipped but I guess that is good in some ways. My daughter at first thought the sheriff was upset when giving pressers but I explained to her he just took over in Jan so he is probably wasn't expecting to give pressers everyday.

Maybe they are giving him (cousin) enough rope to hang himself (or reveal where Haleigh is)?

I am leaning towards believing them, if he were a suspect still I think they'd be saying everybody is a suspect.....also, I asked this question last night WHO saw this cousin???? Did RC see him, the neighbors or is he someone MC is throwing under the bus to take the suspicion off of her......after all RC's mom said the gun incident was 2 weeks ago and RC said it NEVER happened. I don't trust anything these 2 say unless I have heard it in an official cpacity. I justthink Misty has changed her story way too often and is reaching to take the spotlight off of her inconsistencies. I am still wavering to with RC, I just feel something odd about the entire situation and can't put my finger on it. Maybe it was the 911 call, he states over and over "I was at work", and later I don't care if you record this......he knows very well it is being recorded and I want to know if he was at work the entire time (LE never answered that uestion), because in one of his interviews he stated he was there when Haliegh was put into bed. I can find the link if I need to.......just something isn't sitting well with me. I could be wrong, but those are my gut feelings.


Here it is......

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/16/amber_alert_ground_search_for_haleigh_to_end_monday.html


Amber Alert -- Polygraphs Continue On Haleigh’s Family
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:08:10 AM
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Haleigh Cummings News Conference Feb 16
Haleigh 911 Call Released
Additional Information
Previous Story: Haleigh Search Draws 500 Leads
911 Transcript Part 1
911 Transcript Part 2
Sexual Predator Missing From Marion Co.
EquuSearch's Haleigh Update: Feb. 14, 2009
Putnam Co. Sheriff's Office
SATSUMA -- Authorities in Putnam County said they have left no stone unturned in their search for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings, but despite their efforts, there are still no clues leading to the girl's whereabouts.

In an afternoon news conference, Dominic Pape, a special agent with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, said  they are moving from ground searches to a more tactical approach of following up tips and leads. They said they would search any place in the country or the world to look for Haleigh.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy confirmed that family members are currently taking polygraph tests.

Investigators admitted they were frustrated, but said they have made progress in their efforts to find Haleigh, who disappeared a week ago from her Satsuma home.

Cummings told Putnam County sheriff's deputies that he left his daughter and son in bed in the care of 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin. Croslin said when she got out of bed, she could not find Haleigh.

Maybe it was stated incorrectly,but by this report it sounds like HE LEFT THEM IN BED.......so, did he get a break during his shift and go back to the trailer- I don't know?? ::MonkeyConfused::

I caught that too IM! If he works 12 hour shifts he may have gotten 2  half hour breaks or a one hour break. I wonder how long it takes him to get home normally? And 9PM would be the half way point...after the kids were in bed! If LE says with certainty that the SO and the cousin are/were cleared yet does not say the same about dad and gf ::MonkeyShocked:: Geez I am so  ::MonkeyConfused:: I really don't think Haleigh is alive, and I would like to believe that they had nothing to do with it but if there was a possibilty RC came home on his lunch break ( which after pulling his gf home from a 3 day bender (( if that is to be believed)) ) it would make sense that he came home to check up on her. But how could things have gotten so out of hand??


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 08:50:27 PM
Glad I copy and pasted the headline on the presser because now it is gone from the website and the latest video is last night at 5pm form what I see. The screen actually for almost 30 min was black and now when you go to the website it has old videos.

I am in Jax and have First Coast News channel on so if anything changes I will post. Right now regular programming. I would think if they canceled they would have posted it on the web.


I saw it......really some old stuff over and over. The only new item I found interesting was they have interviewed the cousin and he is NOT a suspect.......so, how come they can clear him and not Misty and RC, the pressers are so frustrating because they are incredibly vague. I wouldthink they would at least put any rumors that are unfounded to bed so as not to perpetuate speculation.
Thanks for the info. I guess I was too late. Must be why they didn't update the website yet. Well that is weird to clear the cousin like that. I think everyone is a suspect until they figure out what really happened. I know the dad was at work from 6pm that evening so I would cancel him off first as long as work records check out. Other than that I think everyone else is a suspect. THhey are very tight lipped but I guess that is good in some ways. My daughter at first thought the sheriff was upset when giving pressers but I explained to her he just took over in Jan so he is probably wasn't expecting to give pressers everyday.

Maybe they are giving him (cousin) enough rope to hang himself (or reveal where Haleigh is)?

I am leaning towards believing them, if he were a suspect still I think they'd be saying everybody is a suspect.....also, I asked this question last night WHO saw this cousin???? Did RC see him, the neighbors or is he someone MC is throwing under the bus to take the suspicion off of her......after all RC's mom said the gun incident was 2 weeks ago and RC said it NEVER happened. I don't trust anything these 2 say unless I have heard it in an official cpacity. I justthink Misty has changed her story way too often and is reaching to take the spotlight off of her inconsistencies. I am still wavering to with RC, I just feel something odd about the entire situation and can't put my finger on it. Maybe it was the 911 call, he states over and over "I was at work", and later I don't care if you record this......he knows very well it is being recorded and I want to know if he was at work the entire time (LE never answered that uestion), because in one of his interviews he stated he was there when Haliegh was put into bed. I can find the link if I need to.......just something isn't sitting well with me. I could be wrong, but those are my gut feelings.


Here it is......

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/16/amber_alert_ground_search_for_haleigh_to_end_monday.html


Amber Alert -- Polygraphs Continue On Haleigh’s Family
Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:08:10 AM
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Slideshow - 16 images
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Video
Haleigh Cummings News Conference Feb 16
Haleigh 911 Call Released
Additional Information
Previous Story: Haleigh Search Draws 500 Leads
911 Transcript Part 1
911 Transcript Part 2
Sexual Predator Missing From Marion Co.
EquuSearch's Haleigh Update: Feb. 14, 2009
Putnam Co. Sheriff's Office
SATSUMA -- Authorities in Putnam County said they have left no stone unturned in their search for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings, but despite their efforts, there are still no clues leading to the girl's whereabouts.

In an afternoon news conference, Dominic Pape, a special agent with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, said  they are moving from ground searches to a more tactical approach of following up tips and leads. They said they would search any place in the country or the world to look for Haleigh.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy confirmed that family members are currently taking polygraph tests.

Investigators admitted they were frustrated, but said they have made progress in their efforts to find Haleigh, who disappeared a week ago from her Satsuma home.

Cummings told Putnam County sheriff's deputies that he left his daughter and son in bed in the care of 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin. Croslin said when she got out of bed, she could not find Haleigh.

Maybe it was stated incorrectly,but by this report it sounds like HE LEFT THEM IN BED.......so, did he get a break during his shift and go back to the trailer- I don't know?? ::MonkeyConfused::

I caught that too IM! If he works 12 hour shifts he may have gotten 2  half hour breaks or a one hour break. I wonder how long it takes him to get home normally? And 9PM would be the half way point...after the kids were in bed! If LE says with certainty that the SO and the cousin are/were cleared yet does not say the same about dad and gf ::MonkeyShocked:: Geez I am so  ::MonkeyConfused:: I really don't think Haleigh is alive, and I would like to believe that they had nothing to do with it but if there was a possibilty RC came home on his lunch break ( which after pulling his gf home from a 3 day bender (( if that is to be believed)) ) it would make sense that he came home to check up on her. But how could things have gotten so out of hand??

I heard he worked 3 to 3, and IIRC it was about 16 miles from trailer to work. I just can't cross him off my hinky meter, and apparantley neither can LE. Can you remember a case where they wouldn't let the family back into their home after 2 weeks? Nor clear them as to having any involvement. I thought no case could even come close to being as nutty as the A's, but this one is certainly giving it a hard run for 2nd place,


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 21, 2009, 08:50:58 PM
I really think this talk about Misty's cousin molesting her, and the other talk about him is to get the attention off of her and Ron. I just can't shake my bad feelings for Ron, again I hope I'm wrong, but none of this makes sense to me.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 21, 2009, 08:54:21 PM
I agree islandmonkey, I don't understand why the trailer hasn't been cleared for them to go back in, that makes no sense at all, it's not like it is a huge mansion, they would have to be done processing that trailer by now. And very odd the family hasn't been cleared by now, something is way wrong here.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 08:56:42 PM
I really think this talk about Misty's cousin molesting her, and the other talk about him is to get the attention off of her and Ron. I just can't shake my bad feelings for Ron, again I hope I'm wrong, but none of this makes sense to me.

I agree big time~so does the gun story that can't be validated nor have I heard from any one other than Misty that her cousin was even there. I think the fact he was cleared so fast is he wasn't even there, can a neighbor, anyone else place him at the house or even in Satsuma the day before. I think they are throwing out everything they can too distract attn from them, it just isn't working .....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 09:00:56 PM
I agree islandmonkey, I don't understand why the trailer hasn't been cleared for them to go back in, that makes no sense at all, it's not like it is a huge mansion, they would have to be done processing that trailer by now. And very odd the family hasn't been cleared by now, something is way wrong here.

Ok, I can't remember but maybe some other monkey can..was Danielle Van Dam, Jon Benet Ramsey, Elizabeth Smart, Jessica Lunsford or Polly Klaas's homes treated this way. I really am curious if any other home where a child was "snatched" ever withheld from the family for this length of time?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 21, 2009, 09:04:54 PM
I agree islandmonkey, I don't understand why the trailer hasn't been cleared for them to go back in, that makes no sense at all, it's not like it is a huge mansion, they would have to be done processing that trailer by now. And very odd the family hasn't been cleared by now, something is way wrong here.

Ok, I can't remember but maybe some other monkey can..was Danielle Van Dam, Jon Benet Ramsey, Elizabeth Smart, Jessica Lunsford or Polly Klaas's homes treated this way. I really am curious if any other home where a child was "snatched" ever withheld from the family for this length of time?
I honestly do not remember anyone's home being held for this long, this is very strange, it's a medium sized trailer, what could they possibly be doing?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 21, 2009, 09:08:11 PM
Cousin in Tennessee not a suspect in Haleigh's disappearance

By Cindy Swirko
Staff writer

Published: Saturday, February 21, 2009 at 5:26 p.m.
Last Modified: Saturday, February 21, 2009 at 5:26 p.m.
SATSUMA -- The search for Haleigh Cummings was scaled back Saturday, but investigators continued to run down leads in hoped that one will take them to the 5-year-old who family members say was last seen Feb. 9 in her home.

A few volunteers searched near the Satsuma home in which Haleigh lived with her father, Ronald Cummings, and his girlfriend, Misty Croslin. Putnam County Sheriff’s Capt. Dick Schauland said the department had no organized searches on Saturday.

Schauland added that a cousin of Croslin who lives in Tennessee but had recently visited the area is not a suspect or “person of interest” in the case.

“We got a lead about him early on and interviewed him. He is not a suspect,” Schauland said. “At the moment, we have no searches. We are following up on leads. The investigation is going on.”

Schauland added that no searches were planned for Sunday but added that could change depending on any leads that might come in.

A few individuals searched on their own, stopping by an area down the street from the Cummings home where members of Ronald Cummings’ family have gathered since the case began.

Members of the Christian Motorcycle Association based in Putnam County also stopped by to pray with family members for Haleigh’s return.

“We’re just here to lend support,” said member Barbara Rains. “We want to pray with them.”

Barbie Squires, Haleigh’s paternal great-grandmother, said the family plans to remain camped at the site as long as the property owner allows it or until Haleigh is found.

Squires said the ordeal is wearing on the family, including Haleigh’s 3-year-old brother Ronnie Jr., who was also in the house when family members say Haleigh disappeared.

“He’s not doing well at all. He realizes what’s going on,” Squires said. “Today he went

to his granny’s house and she gave him a soda. He was pouring it in a glass. She asked him why and he said he was pouring half of it for his sister.”

Cummings said he has not worked since Haleigh vanished. Squires said an account — the Haleigh Cummings Family Relief Fund — has been established at Bank of America.

A reward of up to $20,000 is being offered in the case. Anyone with information can call a tips line at 888-227-TIPS.

Croslin, 17, said she discovered Haleigh missing about 3 a.m. Feb. 9 when she awoke to use the bathroom. Haleigh had been sleeping on one of two beds in the master bedroom, Croslin said.

Schauland said in a press conference Saturday that 4,786 man hours have been spent by law enforcement on the ground, air and water searches, while sheriff’s investigators have spent 1,626 hours investigating leads. Volunteer search hours total more than 4,000. The number of leads is now up to 1,600.

“Some of the leads end up going nowhere, but you have to run them down,” Schauland said. “Somewhere along the line is going to be the tip that will lead us to her. Sooner or later we are going to find it.”

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http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090221/ARTICLES/902210953/1002?Title=Cousin-in-Tennessee-not-a-suspect-in-Haleigh-s-disappearance


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 09:09:46 PM
I agree islandmonkey, I don't understand why the trailer hasn't been cleared for them to go back in, that makes no sense at all, it's not like it is a huge mansion, they would have to be done processing that trailer by now. And very odd the family hasn't been cleared by now, something is way wrong here.

Ok, I can't remember but maybe some other monkey can..was Danielle Van Dam, Jon Benet Ramsey, Elizabeth Smart, Jessica Lunsford or Polly Klaas's homes treated this way. I really am curious if any other home where a child was "snatched" ever withheld from the family for this length of time?
I honestly do not remember anyone's home being held for this long, this is very strange, it's a medium sized trailer, what could they possibly be doing?

That is a great question..........I could possibly understand if they'd used luminol and found blood evidence in the trailer, but otherwise I am clueless ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Searching on February 21, 2009, 09:10:00 PM
OMG just saw a promo just now on Foxnews,  Whoraldo's episode tonight shows Ron Cummings & his family getting might upset with Mr Sensationalism himself - o boi!  ::cartwheel::    I think Satsuma got word of the dirty players in the Caylee case...tune in tonight Foxnews cable Geraldo at Large 10pm eastern  9pm central - Ill look for a youtube late tonight or in the morning for those without cable
Man oh man!

I swore off Geraldo a long time ago.

Now I have to watch him tonight to keep abreast of this case?

I just hate everything about that Geraldo guy!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I can not stand him either...here you go...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaeVGiFTKJA&feature=related


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 21, 2009, 09:17:02 PM
Thanks Brandi for posting that, just what I figured the cousin has nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance. Thrown out there on purpose to get the attention off of Ron and Misty.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: GramaMonkey on February 21, 2009, 09:18:13 PM
Reading the above posts brings a few things to mind. 

Misty said she put the kids to bed at 10PM.....as I know I questioned that as kinda late for little kids to be up, when one of them has school the next day.

Also, in the very beginning, I remember reading that it was stated that Misty called Ronald at work several times before he came home. 

Also, if Haleigh was missing, WHY would MISTY not phone 911 herself, as Ronald was the one that placed the call.

Why would Ronald deny the argument about the gun, that his own mother spoke about.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: GramaMonkey on February 21, 2009, 09:22:12 PM
Maybe they found some drug substance inside that trailer.  Possibly someone was there to make a purchase.

Misty = DUHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 21, 2009, 09:23:11 PM
I agree islandmonkey, I don't understand why the trailer hasn't been cleared for them to go back in, that makes no sense at all, it's not like it is a huge mansion, they would have to be done processing that trailer by now. And very odd the family hasn't been cleared by now, something is way wrong here.

Ok, I can't remember but maybe some other monkey can..was Danielle Van Dam, Jon Benet Ramsey, Elizabeth Smart, Jessica Lunsford or Polly Klaas's homes treated this way. I really am curious if any other home where a child was "snatched" ever withheld from the family for this length of time?
I honestly do not remember anyone's home being held for this long, this is very strange, it's a medium sized trailer, what could they possibly be doing?

Maybe LE took part of the plumbing, sent it off to the lab for tests, and they waiting for results to come back? 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: GramaMonkey on February 21, 2009, 09:24:10 PM
I agree islandmonkey, I don't understand why the trailer hasn't been cleared for them to go back in, that makes no sense at all, it's not like it is a huge mansion, they would have to be done processing that trailer by now. And very odd the family hasn't been cleared by now, something is way wrong here.

Ok, I can't remember but maybe some other monkey can..was Danielle Van Dam, Jon Benet Ramsey, Elizabeth Smart, Jessica Lunsford or Polly Klaas's homes treated this way. I really am curious if any other home where a child was "snatched" ever withheld from the family for this length of time?
I honestly do not remember anyone's home being held for this long, this is very strange, it's a medium sized trailer, what could they possibly be doing?

That is a great question..........I could possibly understand if they'd used luminol and found blood evidence in the trailer, but otherwise I am clueless ::MonkeyConfused::

Even the Anthony's was not a ...crime scene... until they had a search warrant.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 09:24:14 PM
Reading the above posts brings a few things to mind. 

Misty said she put the kids to bed at 10PM.....as I know I questioned that as kinda late for little kids to be up, when one of them has school the next day.

Also, in the very beginning, I remember reading that it was stated that Misty called Ronald at work several times before he came home. 

Also, if Haleigh was missing, WHY would MISTY not phone 911 herself, as Ronald was the one that placed the call.

Why would Ronald deny the argument about the gun, that his own mother spoke about.

I thought she stated they went to bed at 8-8:30, but all the rest I've heard including the story of Misty calling Ron at work, and I wonder why not call 911, but even more odd than that is why didn't she grab jr and run to a neighbor's house and call 911, if I woke up and found the door wide open and a child missing, I'd bet out of there so fast it would mke your head spin. I would not linger around with another child in there not knowing the perp was gone, outside or even that he could came back. I'd be waking the entire neighborhood to help look, plus I'd be screaming my head off.........but, maybe I'm abnormal ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 21, 2009, 09:24:52 PM
Reading the above posts brings a few things to mind. 

Misty said she put the kids to bed at 10PM.....as I know I questioned that as kinda late for little kids to be up, when one of them has school the next day.

Also, in the very beginning, I remember reading that it was stated that Misty called Ronald at work several times before he came home. 

Also, if Haleigh was missing, WHY would MISTY not phone 911 herself, as Ronald was the one that placed the call.

Why would Ronald deny the argument about the gun, that his own mother spoke about.
[/quote There hasn't been one thing that either one of them has said that has given me the feeling they had nothing to do with this. The 911 call, and Ron's anger issues, the clothes Haleigh was wearing, what bed people were in, kitchen light on, cinder block holding door open, never seen that cinder block before, even though there was a pile of them not far from the trailer, I could go on and on. I have a bad feeling and I can't shake it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 21, 2009, 09:34:33 PM
OMG just saw a promo just now on Foxnews,  Whoraldo's episode tonight shows Ron Cummings & his family getting might upset with Mr Sensationalism himself - o boi!  ::cartwheel::    I think Satsuma got word of the dirty players in the Caylee case...tune in tonight Foxnews cable Geraldo at Large 10pm eastern  9pm central - Ill look for a youtube late tonight or in the morning for those without cable
Man oh man!

I swore off Geraldo a long time ago.

Now I have to watch him tonight to keep abreast of this case?

I just hate everything about that Geraldo guy!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I can not stand him either...here you go...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaeVGiFTKJA&feature=related

Thanks! I needed that.

 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 21, 2009, 09:35:24 PM
If they declare either one of them, Ron or Misty a POI or a suspect, they then lawyer up.
Right now, Misty is talking willingly. They might be giving them the rope. You know, that rope to hang yerself with.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 09:36:17 PM
Reading the above posts brings a few things to mind. 

Misty said she put the kids to bed at 10PM.....as I know I questioned that as kinda late for little kids to be up, when one of them has school the next day.

Also, in the very beginning, I remember reading that it was stated that Misty called Ronald at work several times before he came home. 

Also, if Haleigh was missing, WHY would MISTY not phone 911 herself, as Ronald was the one that placed the call.

Why would Ronald deny the argument about the gun, that his own mother spoke about.
[/quote There hasn't been one thing that either one of them has said that has given me the feeling they had nothing to do with this. The 911 call, and Ron's anger issues, the clothes Haleigh was wearing, what bed people were in, kitchen light on, cinder block holding door open, never seen that cinder block before, even though there was a pile of them not far from the trailer, I could go on and on. I have a bad feeling and I can't shake it.


I'm with you~I could go on and on, but one thing really stuck out that I just remembered. Ron stated "I'd give my life to have my child's life back" ::MonkeyEek:: I would have stated, I'd give my life to have my CHILD back.......but that's just me.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 21, 2009, 09:37:00 PM
Reading the above posts brings a few things to mind. 

Misty said she put the kids to bed at 10PM.....as I know I questioned that as kinda late for little kids to be up, when one of them has school the next day.

Also, in the very beginning, I remember reading that it was stated that Misty called Ronald at work several times before he came home. 

Also, if Haleigh was missing, WHY would MISTY not phone 911 herself, as Ronald was the one that placed the call.

Why would Ronald deny the argument about the gun, that his own mother spoke about.

I thought she stated they went to bed at 8-8:30, but all the rest I've heard including the story of Misty calling Ron at work, and I wonder why not call 911, but even more odd than that is why didn't she grab jr and run to a neighbor's house and call 911, if I woke up and found the door wide open and a child missing, I'd bet out of there so fast it would mke your head spin. I would not linger around with another child in there not knowing the perp was gone, outside or even that he could came back. I'd be waking the entire neighborhood to help look, plus I'd be screaming my head off.........but, maybe I'm abnormal ::MonkeyWink::


Yeah, I would have been out of there like a shot. 

Something else:  does anyone recall Misty saying something like, I didn't have nothin' to do w/it...?  It might have been a poor choice of words, but it struck me at the time.  :smt021  :2ukli:

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 09:38:32 PM
Reading the above posts brings a few things to mind. 

Misty said she put the kids to bed at 10PM.....as I know I questioned that as kinda late for little kids to be up, when one of them has school the next day.

Also, in the very beginning, I remember reading that it was stated that Misty called Ronald at work several times before he came home. 

Also, if Haleigh was missing, WHY would MISTY not phone 911 herself, as Ronald was the one that placed the call.

Why would Ronald deny the argument about the gun, that his own mother spoke about.

I thought she stated they went to bed at 8-8:30, but all the rest I've heard including the story of Misty calling Ron at work, and I wonder why not call 911, but even more odd than that is why didn't she grab jr and run to a neighbor's house and call 911, if I woke up and found the door wide open and a child missing, I'd bet out of there so fast it would mke your head spin. I would not linger around with another child in there not knowing the perp was gone, outside or even that he could came back. I'd be waking the entire neighborhood to help look, plus I'd be screaming my head off.........but, maybe I'm abnormal ::MonkeyWink::


Yeah, I would have been out of there like a shot. 

Something else:  does anyone recall Misty saying something like, I didn't have nothin' to do w/it...?  It might have been a poor choice of words, but it struck me at the time.  :smt021  :2ukli:

Foggy


I remember and what exactly IS IT?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 21, 2009, 09:43:22 PM
Reading the above posts brings a few things to mind. 

Misty said she put the kids to bed at 10PM.....as I know I questioned that as kinda late for little kids to be up, when one of them has school the next day.

Also, in the very beginning, I remember reading that it was stated that Misty called Ronald at work several times before he came home. 

Also, if Haleigh was missing, WHY would MISTY not phone 911 herself, as Ronald was the one that placed the call.

Why would Ronald deny the argument about the gun, that his own mother spoke about.

I thought she stated they went to bed at 8-8:30, but all the rest I've heard including the story of Misty calling Ron at work, and I wonder why not call 911, but even more odd than that is why didn't she grab jr and run to a neighbor's house and call 911, if I woke up and found the door wide open and a child missing, I'd bet out of there so fast it would mke your head spin. I would not linger around with another child in there not knowing the perp was gone, outside or even that he could came back. I'd be waking the entire neighborhood to help look, plus I'd be screaming my head off.........but, maybe I'm abnormal ::MonkeyWink::


Yeah, I would have been out of there like a shot. 

Something else:  does anyone recall Misty saying something like, I didn't have nothin' to do w/it...?  It might have been a poor choice of words, but it struck me at the time.  :smt021  :2ukli:

Foggy


I remember and what exactly IS IT?

I think IT is the disappearance.

I don't think either one of them, nor most of their relatives are well-educated and have a complete grasp on the English language.

Not faulting them for that, but making an observation. That is why so much of what they say leaves more questions than answers.

JMO.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 21, 2009, 09:52:18 PM
Misty is also terrified of Ron, at least that is my thought, it's almost,and I really hate to say this, like she is following a script but because she isn't the brightest girl, she is having trouble getting the facts straight and consistent. I really hope I'm wrong, I will be the first to say I was wrong.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 21, 2009, 10:04:44 PM
Misty is also terrified of Ron, at least that is my thought, it's almost,and I really hate to say this, like she is following a script but because she isn't the brightest girl, she is having trouble getting the facts straight and consistent. I really hope I'm wrong, I will be the first to say I was wrong.

Geraldo at Large on now.

Covering the case.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 21, 2009, 10:06:54 PM
Misty is also terrified of Ron, at least that is my thought, it's almost,and I really hate to say this, like she is following a script but because she isn't the brightest girl, she is having trouble getting the facts straight and consistent. I really hope I'm wrong, I will be the first to say I was wrong.

Geraldo at Large on now.

Covering the case.

Quoting myself now.

Crystal says she is afraid of Ronald and that she does not trust him.

Says he has been abusive. Physically.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: flamom on February 21, 2009, 10:14:13 PM
Yikes, Geraldo went to Satsuma to poke the beast...
He stirred up a whole lotta cr*p.. makes one wonder tho


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 21, 2009, 10:15:24 PM
Yikes, Geraldo went to Satsuma to poke the beast...
He stirred up a whole lotta cr*p.. makes one wonder tho

Ronald telling Geraldo that he never hit anyone ...including Crystal.

He does not come off as honest to me.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Cappuccino on February 21, 2009, 10:15:33 PM
Wow this is just beyond the Hatfields and McCoys...total trash talking...when is she going to admit what she has done to have lost custody?

Notice Crystal's eyes and hesitation

This picture is reported to have been an accident at the school BUT Crystal's side is putting forward that Ron caused the injuries - Crystal says "no way"   Well, if the school reported it happend on premise, what is the dispute?   Where is Crystal's father during this?  Not sure he agrees with this, he already disclosed things last week that Crystal has done in her past. 

They claim to have witnesses that Ron hit Haleigh.  "Hes got plenty of enemies"   "hes not crying..that is fake"   hmmmm

Ron is looking Geraldo right in the eye - Crystal was not and leaning to the left, she showed more body language of lying and exaggerating than Ron.   He wants to talk to LE about these false allegations and press charges - he wants the proper authorities to take care of it.    he is pissed!     It is on record that he had charges against him and they were all dropped "He's fixing to get the law right there"   WOW

RON TAKES TO THE CAMERA, LOOKS IT STRAIGHT ON MAKES A PLEA RIGHT TO HALEIGH, to whomever has my daughter PLEASE BRING MY DAUGHTER HOME, I LOVE YOU - o man

This looks like the beginings of a lynch mob


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 21, 2009, 10:17:06 PM
The anger coming from Ron to Geraldo was scary, if there wouldn't have been an audience and cameras, Ron looks like he would have hauled azz and knocked Geraldo to the ground, and who knows what else. ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: BooMonkey on February 21, 2009, 10:18:58 PM
OK, I just watched Whoraldo interview the family members and I hate to say it but I believe the father! I've been watching Lie to Me and was closely watching his expression and head movement. The only "stumble" part was the about the drugs. Other than that, he does NOT know who took his daughter or where she is. The mother's family on the other hand seem kind of schemy and want their 15 minutes of fame. They didn't want to be a part of Haleigh's life and now they are jumping on the bandwagon! All ready to point fingers. Whorlado Needs to go HOME!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 21, 2009, 10:19:34 PM
Watching Geraldo.. He interviewed bio-mom and family, who showed the pic of Haleigh, who gave a laundry list of abusive things that Ron has done.  Both to Crystal and Haleigh, with witnesses to some of it, they say. 

He goes over to Ron's camp, gets right up in his face, goes down the list asking Ron if he did this, if he did that.  Ron denies all. 

The thing is.. Geraldo will be leaving there eventually, leaving raw emotions behind him.  IMO, he's setting up a major WWW III between these two families.  To me, that's the worst thing, he skips out, happy with his ratings, and likely the family members on each side will be at each other's throats. 

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Cappuccino on February 21, 2009, 10:20:38 PM
The anger coming from Ron to Geraldo was scary, if there wouldn't have been an audience and cameras, Ron looks like he would have hauled azz and knocked Geraldo to the ground, and who knows what else. ::MonkeyShocked::

I do agree with that but Im not sure its not warranted - both families are slinging alot of dirt but Im not finding Crystal credible at all either


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: BooMonkey on February 21, 2009, 10:21:45 PM
The anger coming from Ron to Geraldo was scary, if there wouldn't have been an audience and cameras, Ron looks like he would have hauled azz and knocked Geraldo to the ground, and who knows what else. ::MonkeyShocked::

I don't blame him, here he probably thought that Geraldo was going to do a piece on his missing daughter and it turns into an interrogation! Hmmmm I'm sure Geraldo will be able to trick him into confessing b/c everyone knows LE can't! Go the hell home Geraldo, nobody wants you there, except maybe Crystals family so they can be on tv. I'm sure they will nod to whatever Geraldo tells them to.

I agree NR that Ron seems like an angry young man, but he has a lot to be pissed about right now


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 21, 2009, 10:22:38 PM
Nothing really new came out of the Geraldo piece.

I don't think it served any purpose but to raise Geraldo's ratings, as Wyks mentioned.

Just caused more ill feelings and divided the families further.

Such a shame.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 21, 2009, 10:23:25 PM
The anger coming from Ron to Geraldo was scary, if there wouldn't have been an audience and cameras, Ron looks like he would have hauled azz and knocked Geraldo to the ground, and who knows what else. ::MonkeyShocked::

I do agree with that but Im not sure its not warranted - both families are slinging alot of dirt but Im not finding Crystal credible at all either
I don't believe any of them, and unfortunately the children are the ones that have to suffer.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: BooMonkey on February 21, 2009, 10:23:28 PM
Watching Geraldo.. He interviewed bio-mom and family, who showed the pic of Haleigh, who gave a laundry list of abusive things that Ron has done.  Both to Crystal and Haleigh, with witnesses to some of it, they say. 

He goes over to Ron's camp, gets right up in his face, goes down the list asking Ron if he did this, if he did that.  Ron denies all. 

The thing is.. Geraldo will be leaving there eventually, leaving raw emotions behind him.  IMO, he's setting up a major WWW III between these two families.  To me, that's the worst thing, he skips out, happy with his ratings, and likely the family members on each side will be at each other's throats. 

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


And who is caught in the crossfire??? THE FRICKING CHILDREN!! But he doesn't care about that!! He can go home to his wine and jacuzzi and collect his paycheck.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: flamom on February 21, 2009, 10:24:47 PM
Watching Geraldo.. He interviewed bio-mom and family, who showed the pic of Haleigh, who gave a laundry list of abusive things that Ron has done.  Both to Crystal and Haleigh, with witnesses to some of it, they say. 

He goes over to Ron's camp, gets right up in his face, goes down the list asking Ron if he did this, if he did that.  Ron denies all. 

The thing is.. Geraldo will be leaving there eventually, leaving raw emotions behind him.  IMO, he's setting up a major WWW III between these two families.  To me, that's the worst thing, he skips out, happy with his ratings, and likely the family members on each side will be at each other's throats. 

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

ITA.. at least in the beginning all involved werent trash talking each other..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 21, 2009, 10:25:51 PM
Wow this is just beyond the Hatfields and McCoys...total trash talking...when is she going to admit what she has done to have lost custody?

Notice Crystal's eyes and hesitation

This picture is reported to have been an accident at the school BUT Crystal's side is putting forward that Ron caused the injuries - Crystal says "no way"   Well, if the school reported it happend on premise, what is the dispute?   Where is Crystal's father during this?  Not sure he agrees with this, he already disclosed things last week that Crystal has done in her past. 

They claim to have witnesses that Ron hit Haleigh.  "Hes got plenty of enemies"   "hes not crying..that is fake"   hmmmm

Ron is looking Geraldo right in the eye - Crystal was not and leaning to the left, she showed more body language of lying and exaggerating than Ron.    He wants to talk to LE about these false allegations and press charges - he wants the proper authorities to take care of it.    he is pissed!     It is on record that he had charges against him and they were all dropped "He's fixing to get the law right there"   WOW

RON TAKES TO THE CAMERA, LOOKS IT STRAIGHT ON MAKES A PLEA RIGHT TO HALEIGH, to whomever has my daughter PLEASE BRING MY DAUGHTER HOME, I LOVE YOU - o man

This looks like the beginings of a lynch mob
My thought on Crystal was that she was considering her words very carefully and afraid to tell what she knew about Ron....It looked like fear to me not lying....JMO


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Cappuccino on February 21, 2009, 10:25:59 PM
OMG WHoraldo is unconscionable   He just had to come on and put a disclaimer on his flammatory report.  Ron's family said they took Haleigh to the ER immediately after the school accident & then again 6 days later.   Well idiot maybe you should have checked the records before flaming this family feud!    This situation is intense enough, go home Whoraldo


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 21, 2009, 10:26:25 PM
This is terrible.  How can he interfere in on ongoing investigation?  Where is his conscience, that arrogant blankety-blank?  Oh he makes me sick.  :smt078


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: BooMonkey on February 21, 2009, 10:28:02 PM
Did anyone else notice how close Geraldo was standing to Ron?? Like right up into his personal space. I noticed even when Geraldo raised his hand to make a gesture it went behind Ron's shoulder. I would have popped him one just on that alone!!



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: flamom on February 21, 2009, 10:29:24 PM
He is a disgrace....  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: BooMonkey on February 21, 2009, 10:30:34 PM
It was such a set up. Crystal has her whole family around her. All of them specifically placed and backing her. Ron's part looked like he had just walked out of the tent and Geraldo jumped him. His family finally came up from behind. Definitely not a pretty little set up like Crystals.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Cappuccino on February 21, 2009, 10:31:14 PM
The anger coming from Ron to Geraldo was scary, if there wouldn't have been an audience and cameras, Ron looks like he would have hauled azz and knocked Geraldo to the ground, and who knows what else. ::MonkeyShocked::

I do agree with that but Im not sure its not warranted - both families are slinging alot of dirt but Im not finding Crystal credible at all either
I don't believe any of them, and unfortunately the children are the ones that have to suffer.

Yup, that is exactly what I said earlier...children are the victims of selfish idiot adults

Dottie, I see dishonesty in Crystal, her fear is that she knows shes lying but she is also aware of Ron's temper so why she would push this at this time is beyond anyone with logic.   One has to ask why Crystal isnt being questioned  by LE if her accusations have merit or paperwork leads them to investigate further


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 21, 2009, 10:31:24 PM
I couldn't tell who was lying and who wasn't.    ::MonkeyConfused::

Crystal always speaks in that hesitant way, either like she can't put her thoughts into words or else she's over-thinking what she's going to say.   Nothing she said against him can be proven.  As far as Ronald backhanding Haleigh, that witness is her cousin. 

But isn't there an arrest record for RC for drug possession?   





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: flamom on February 21, 2009, 10:32:07 PM
opportunistic vulture feeding on the sorrow of heartsick families, pitting them against each other for ratings and then skipping town leaving a wake of human tragedy in his wake.. he is a piece of crap


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 21, 2009, 10:32:08 PM
Yikes, Geraldo went to Satsuma to poke the beast...
He stirred up a whole lotta cr*p.. makes one wonder tho

Ronald telling Geraldo that he never hit anyone ...including Crystal.

He does not come off as honest to me.

Me either Brandi.  Ron says he never did drugs, was never a dealer, doesn't work for the police.  And yet there are court records that show Ron with a grip of hard core drugs, so he's lying at least about one or all of those things.

Crystal, bio mom may say all she wants about Ron, and also about his not taking Haleigh to the hospital after she supposedly got hurt at school.  But she also has not acted in the best interest of that child, IMO.  No reports (that I've heard of or seen) that Haleigh was taken to the hospital or 911 called back when she supposedly was found by Crystal floating in the water unconscious. 

I don't believe Ron.. And yet... Crystal is full of crapola on Ron yet isn't copping to anything she herself may have done to help their relationship go south.  It's not all him, can't be.  And not all her either. 

And then let's toss Miss Misty can't keep her story straight into the mix.  Sigh. 
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 10:32:16 PM
The anger coming from Ron to Geraldo was scary, if there wouldn't have been an audience and cameras, Ron looks like he would have hauled azz and knocked Geraldo to the ground, and who knows what else. ::MonkeyShocked::

Wow~ that was nasty looking.......I missed part of it, but did Ron say he'd never done drugs, or not lately.....because when he said he'd never hot anyone I almost fell on the floor........wow, what a choir boy ::MonkeyHaHa::  I mean I even hit a the bus after he hit me in my back, I just don't believe one word he said ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 21, 2009, 10:33:52 PM
So he went there to stir the pot for ratings. Mission accomplished.
SOB.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Cappuccino on February 21, 2009, 10:34:16 PM
I couldn't tell who was lying and who wasn't.    ::MonkeyConfused::

Crystal always speaks in that hesitant way, either like she can't put her thoughts into words or else she's over-thinking what she's going to say.   Nothing she said against him can be proven.  As far as Ronald backhanding Haleigh, that witness is her cousin. 

But isn't there an arrest record for RC for drug possession?   



Charges dismissed


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 10:35:11 PM
Wow this is just beyond the Hatfields and McCoys...total trash talking...when is she going to admit what she has done to have lost custody?

Notice Crystal's eyes and hesitation

This picture is reported to have been an accident at the school BUT Crystal's side is putting forward that Ron caused the injuries - Crystal says "no way"   Well, if the school reported it happend on premise, what is the dispute?   Where is Crystal's father during this?  Not sure he agrees with this, he already disclosed things last week that Crystal has done in her past. 

They claim to have witnesses that Ron hit Haleigh.  "Hes got plenty of enemies"   "hes not crying..that is fake"   hmmmm

Ron is looking Geraldo right in the eye - Crystal was not and leaning to the left, she showed more body language of lying and exaggerating than Ron.    He wants to talk to LE about these false allegations and press charges - he wants the proper authorities to take care of it.    he is pissed!     It is on record that he had charges against him and they were all dropped "He's fixing to get the law right there"   WOW

RON TAKES TO THE CAMERA, LOOKS IT STRAIGHT ON MAKES A PLEA RIGHT TO HALEIGH, to whomever has my daughter PLEASE BRING MY DAUGHTER HOME, I LOVE YOU - o man

This looks like the beginings of a lynch mob
My thought on Crystal was that she was considering her words very carefully and afraid to tell what she knew about Ron....It looked like fear to me not lying....JMO

Me too~clearly RC has anger issues which I have said all along, and they aren't just now starting........he also seems very controlling and therefore chooses very young girls as they are easier to control ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 10:38:12 PM
The anger coming from Ron to Geraldo was scary, if there wouldn't have been an audience and cameras, Ron looks like he would have hauled azz and knocked Geraldo to the ground, and who knows what else. ::MonkeyShocked::

I do agree with that but Im not sure its not warranted - both families are slinging alot of dirt but Im not finding Crystal credible at all either
I don't believe any of them, and unfortunately the children are the ones that have to suffer.

Yup, that is exactly what I said earlier...children are the victims of selfish idiot adults

Dottie, I see dishonesty in Crystal, her fear is that she knows shes lying but she is also aware of Ron's temper so why she would push this at this time is beyond anyone with logic.   One has to ask why Crystal isnt being questioned  by LE if her accusations have merit or paperwork leads them to investigate further

Maybe because Haleigh is missing/presumed dead on HIS watch, not hers.......I'd be willing to bet she has been questioned and maybe that's why they haven't cleared him of gf, along with many other reasons - too many to go over right now.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 21, 2009, 10:39:51 PM
I couldn't tell who was lying and who wasn't.    ::MonkeyConfused::

Crystal always speaks in that hesitant way, either like she can't put her thoughts into words or else she's over-thinking what she's going to say.   Nothing she said against him can be proven.  As far as Ronald backhanding Haleigh, that witness is her cousin. 

But isn't there an arrest record for RC for drug possession?   

Charges dismissed

ok, thanks.     I missed it - who is the woman with long blond hair and bangs ?  The one now standing with Brother Craig.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 21, 2009, 10:44:28 PM
The anger coming from Ron to Geraldo was scary, if there wouldn't have been an audience and cameras, Ron looks like he would have hauled azz and knocked Geraldo to the ground, and who knows what else. ::MonkeyShocked::

I do agree with that but Im not sure its not warranted - both families are slinging alot of dirt but Im not finding Crystal credible at all either
I don't believe any of them, and unfortunately the children are the ones that have to suffer.

Yup, that is exactly what I said earlier...children are the victims of selfish idiot adults

Dottie, I see dishonesty in Crystal, her fear is that she knows shes lying but she is also aware of Ron's temper so why she would push this at this time is beyond anyone with logic.    One has to ask why Crystal isnt being questioned  by LE if her accusations have merit or paperwork leads them to investigate further
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I have talked to and seen battered and abused women and it's very common for their body language and eye contact to be just like Crystals.  They are afraid to speak for fear of retribution, they have shame and guilt.  Why would she push this at this time?  Because her child is missing and if she has any knowledge that something could have happened to Hayleigh at her fathers hand she has every right to speak her mind.  She was honest about the cocaine use....she said they were both using...I think she deserves credit for that, she could have just said he was using.  His anger has bothered me from the start.  I don't think you have to stretch the imagination too far to believe that he abused her.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Cappuccino on February 21, 2009, 10:46:31 PM
They BOTH have sorted past BUT what Ron did after Whoraldo was right in his face being confrontational was he put the focus back on Haleigh where it belongs.    Someone guilty yet being confronted in the manner Whoraldo did would have not had the presence of mind to do that but would have continued the argument with Whoraldo - that should be considered - there was NO plea for Haleigh's safe return by any family member on Crystal's side tonight, just sheer focus on pointing unfit parenting and worse on Ron.

Ron's denial of drug use while his charges were dismissed does seem like a stretch to me that he doesnt take them at all.  BUT Crystal has yet to admit her continuous drug use is why she lost custody as well as not getting Haleigh to the doctor.

Like I said its pretty obvious to all following this case that all these family members are not the brightest bulbs nor without sorted pasts.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 21, 2009, 10:47:26 PM
I couldn't tell who was lying and who wasn't.    ::MonkeyConfused::

Crystal always speaks in that hesitant way, either like she can't put her thoughts into words or else she's over-thinking what she's going to say.   Nothing she said against him can be proven.  As far as Ronald backhanding Haleigh, that witness is her cousin. 

But isn't there an arrest record for RC for drug possession?   



Charges dismissed
To many charges...where there's smoke there's fire!  even if they were dismissed!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 10:47:56 PM
I couldn't tell who was lying and who wasn't.    ::MonkeyConfused::

Crystal always speaks in that hesitant way, either like she can't put her thoughts into words or else she's over-thinking what she's going to say.   Nothing she said against him can be proven.  As far as Ronald backhanding Haleigh, that witness is her cousin. 

But isn't there an arrest record for RC for drug possession?   

Charges dismissed

ok, thanks.     I missed it - who is the woman with long blond hair and bangs ?  The one now standing with Brother Craig.

actually IIRC, one was nolo contendre, meaning I do not wish to contend.....and the other one was nolo pros.

He most definitely has used drugs in the past..At least Crystal admitted to using cocaine, I give her that much ..........he lied like a rug ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 21, 2009, 10:48:29 PM
Neither family is perfect that's a fact.  Both Ronald and Crystal have both done drugs.  WHERE IS HALEIGH and do any of them, Ronald, Misty, Crystal have anything to do with Haleigh missing. 

Geraldo needs to go home.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 21, 2009, 10:50:40 PM
wow. whoraldo has outdone himself in proving to be a total embarrassment to the field of journalism. excuse me, it would have taken minutes for them to confirm with the hospital if she was brought in twice, once on the day it happened, and then once a week later. there is no excuse for him not to have done so.

what a pos.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 10:54:49 PM
Neither family is perfect that's a fact.  Both Ronald and Crystal have both done drugs.  WHERE IS HALEIGH and do any of them, Ronald, Misty, Crystal have anything to do with Haleigh missing. 

Geraldo needs to go home.

Klaas~maybe you'd remember this, but wasn't RC on the search twith TES when he mentioned to either TM or someone with TES that he was afraid it was retribution or retaliation fromsomething he'd done. It's in these threads, I just wondered if you remeber where?

TIA


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 21, 2009, 10:58:49 PM

Who is Elizabeth?   I want Kimberbly G-N.

Both families are pizzed, striking out against each other.  Drug use doesn't matter ... unless Haleigh was taken in retribution.  So like Crystal's mother said, let it out all hang out just in case.

oh, Geraldo's kissing all the women now.    ::MonkeyEek::





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 10:58:55 PM
 ::MonkeyTongue::  Ok~was it just ME or did anyone else find it odd that he stated "we had an agreement and she would get spankings, just like DCS says is proper" Geez, I never have once hadto consult DCS in the discipline of my children and that he even raised that point is a red flag to me.....WHY?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 21, 2009, 11:02:06 PM
Maybe tomorrow they'll find Haleigh.

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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 21, 2009, 11:02:31 PM
Neither family is perfect that's a fact.  Both Ronald and Crystal have both done drugs.  WHERE IS HALEIGH and do any of them, Ronald, Misty, Crystal have anything to do with Haleigh missing. 

Geraldo needs to go home.

Klaas~maybe you'd remember this, but wasn't RC on the search twith TES when he mentioned to either TM or someone with TES that he was afraid it was retribution or retaliation fromsomething he'd done. It's in these threads, I just wondered if you remeber where?

TIA

I don't remember, sorry.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 21, 2009, 11:02:48 PM
Maybe tomorrow they'll find Haleigh.

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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: janetruth on February 21, 2009, 11:03:15 PM
Well, poot.  I missed it.  When does it repeat?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 21, 2009, 11:04:12 PM
this whole 'drug' angle makes no sense to me. low level drug dealers dont kidnap kids for revenge, they bust up whoever it is that owes them, they arent going to want to house and care for a kidnapped child. its time consuming and expensive, not to mention carries a huge sentence upon conviction. if they took it further to murder, theyd murder whoever ripped them off not their kid, police get mighty upset about kidnapped or murdered children, not so much about druggies killed for a dope deal gone bad.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 21, 2009, 11:04:17 PM
::MonkeyTongue::  Ok~was it just ME or did anyone else find it odd that he stated "we had an agreement and she would get spankings, just like DCS says is proper" Geez, I never have once hadto consult DCS in the discipline of my children and that he even raised that point is a red flag to me.....WHY?

yep, heard it.    Very obviously DCS has had at some point to have a sit-down with him and tell him how he can discipline his children ... and what he is not allowed to do, which would have brought them to his home in the first place. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: BooMonkey on February 21, 2009, 11:04:51 PM
They BOTH have sorted past BUT what Ron did after Whoraldo was right in his face being confrontational was he put the focus back on Haleigh where it belongs.    Someone guilty yet being confronted in the manner Whoraldo did would have not had the presence of mind to do that but would have continued the argument with Whoraldo - that should be considered - there was NO plea for Haleigh's safe return by any family member on Crystal's side tonight, just sheer focus on pointing unfit parenting and worse on Ron.

Ron's denial of drug use while his charges were dismissed does seem like a stretch to me that he doesnt take them at all.  BUT Crystal has yet to admit her continuous drug use is why she lost custody as well as not getting Haleigh to the doctor.

Like I said its pretty obvious to all following this case that all these family members are not the brightest bulbs nor without sorted pasts.

Cap, I am in total agreement with you entire statement. Neither side are angels, but the focus shouldn't be on the family and dissecting them, the focus should be on Haleigh! Geraldo went in there to cause trouble. He chose the easiest mark and went in that direction. Supposedly LE has cleared the immediate family, as in Ron and Crystal, so Geraldo should have done some actual work and found out about the search for the little girl, not digging up dirt on everyone and standing back to watch the show.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 21, 2009, 11:05:50 PM
Well, poot.  I missed it.  When does it repeat?

Midnight (CST)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 21, 2009, 11:06:42 PM
::MonkeyTongue::  Ok~was it just ME or did anyone else find it odd that he stated "we had an agreement and she would get spankings, just like DCS says is proper" Geez, I never have once hadto consult DCS in the discipline of my children and that he even raised that point is a red flag to me.....WHY?
YES, quite an odd statement...I don't know if he had anything to do with Hayleigh's missing or not but he lied about drug use, I think he lied about the fight with the gun, I think he lied about abusing Crystal and then there is the 911 call.....remember the way he talked to Misty...that was not the first time he had talked to her that way......just saying


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: BooMonkey on February 21, 2009, 11:08:39 PM
::MonkeyTongue::  Ok~was it just ME or did anyone else find it odd that he stated "we had an agreement and she would get spankings, just like DCS says is proper" Geez, I never have once hadto consult DCS in the discipline of my children and that he even raised that point is a red flag to me.....WHY?

Yep I caught that too. Like I said, no Angels in that family. But why would someone take Haleigh and not the little boy?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 21, 2009, 11:14:15 PM
They BOTH have sorted past BUT what Ron did after Whoraldo was right in his face being confrontational was he put the focus back on Haleigh where it belongs.    Someone guilty yet being confronted in the manner Whoraldo did would have not had the presence of mind to do that but would have continued the argument with Whoraldo - that should be considered - there was NO plea for Haleigh's safe return by any family member on Crystal's side tonight, just sheer focus on pointing unfit parenting and worse on Ron.

Ron's denial of drug use while his charges were dismissed does seem like a stretch to me that he doesnt take them at all.  BUT Crystal has yet to admit her continuous drug use is why she lost custody as well as not getting Haleigh to the doctor.

Like I said its pretty obvious to all following this case that all these family members are not the brightest bulbs nor without sorted pasts.

Cap, I am in total agreement with you entire statement. Neither side are angels, but the focus shouldn't be on the family  and dissecting them, the focus should be on Haleigh! Geraldo went in there to cause trouble. He chose the easiest mark and went in that direction. Supposedly LE has cleared the immediate family, as in Ron and Crystal, so Geraldo should have done some actual work and found out about the search for the little girl, not digging up dirt on everyone and standing back to watch the show.
I have to disagree.  The focus should absolutly  be on the family.  In these case of child abduction it is almost always someone in the family or someone connected to the family.  She was in Ron's care at the time is why he is under so much scrutany but Crystals family should also be investigated as well.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 11:14:33 PM
::MonkeyTongue::  Ok~was it just ME or did anyone else find it odd that he stated "we had an agreement and she would get spankings, just like DCS says is proper" Geez, I never have once hadto consult DCS in the discipline of my children and that he even raised that point is a red flag to me.....WHY?

Yep I caught that too. Like I said, no Angels in that family. But why would someone take Haleigh and not the little boy?

You mean as in a pedophile? If that's the question, they usually prefer a specific sex, age over others.....

I agree their are no angels, and whorealdo is a media whore, but to hear RC deny things we know are factual lowers his credibility IMO. Just lay it all out there and let LE clear you....then all this speculation can stop.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: janetruth on February 21, 2009, 11:14:38 PM
Well, poot.  I missed it.  When does it repeat?

Midnight (CST)

Thanks, Bud's Girl.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 11:16:38 PM
They BOTH have sorted past BUT what Ron did after Whoraldo was right in his face being confrontational was he put the focus back on Haleigh where it belongs.    Someone guilty yet being confronted in the manner Whoraldo did would have not had the presence of mind to do that but would have continued the argument with Whoraldo - that should be considered - there was NO plea for Haleigh's safe return by any family member on Crystal's side tonight, just sheer focus on pointing unfit parenting and worse on Ron.

Ron's denial of drug use while his charges were dismissed does seem like a stretch to me that he doesnt take them at all.  BUT Crystal has yet to admit her continuous drug use is why she lost custody as well as not getting Haleigh to the doctor.

Like I said its pretty obvious to all following this case that all these family members are not the brightest bulbs nor without sorted pasts.

Cap, I am in total agreement with you entire statement. Neither side are angels, but the focus shouldn't be on the family  and dissecting them, the focus should be on Haleigh! Geraldo went in there to cause trouble. He chose the easiest mark and went in that direction. Supposedly LE has cleared the immediate family, as in Ron and Crystal, so Geraldo should have done some actual work and found out about the search for the little girl, not digging up dirt on everyone and standing back to watch the show.
I have to disagree.  The focus should absolutly  be on the family.  In these case of child abduction it is almost always someone in the family or someone connected to the family.  She was in Ron's care at the time is why he is under so much scrutany but Crystals family should also be investigated as well.

ITA~and that is exactly what LE does, first they look at the family and the dynamics - clear them if they can, that being said, if they can't it makes LE's job 100x harder as they are looking at outsiders AND the family.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 21, 2009, 11:23:03 PM

Last I knew, RC said they told him he passed his poly.  Misty said in one interview she passed hers, on another interview said they didn't really tell her anything. 

Crystal's mother said they had done all their paperwork, but had not been asked to take the actual poly tests yet.

LE said no one has been ruled out as a suspect.

Is this where it still stands now?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 21, 2009, 11:24:41 PM
They BOTH have sorted past BUT what Ron did after Whoraldo was right in his face being confrontational was he put the focus back on Haleigh where it belongs.    Someone guilty yet being confronted in the manner Whoraldo did would have not had the presence of mind to do that but would have continued the argument with Whoraldo - that should be considered - there was NO plea for Haleigh's safe return by any family member on Crystal's side tonight, just sheer focus on pointing unfit parenting and worse on Ron.

Ron's denial of drug use while his charges were dismissed does seem like a stretch to me that he doesnt take them at all.  BUT Crystal has yet to admit her continuous drug use is why she lost custody as well as not getting Haleigh to the doctor.

Like I said its pretty obvious to all following this case that all these family members are not the brightest bulbs nor without sorted pasts.

Cap, I am in total agreement with you entire statement. Neither side are angels, but the focus shouldn't be on the family  and dissecting them, the focus should be on Haleigh! Geraldo went in there to cause trouble. He chose the easiest mark and went in that direction. Supposedly LE has cleared the immediate family, as in Ron and Crystal, so Geraldo should have done some actual work and found out about the search for the little girl, not digging up dirt on everyone and standing back to watch the show.
I have to disagree.  The focus should absolutly  be on the family.  In these case of child abduction it is almost always someone in the family or someone connected to the family.  She was in Ron's care at the time is why he is under so much scrutany but Crystals family should also be investigated as well.

ITA~and that is exactly what LE does, first they look at the family and the dynamics - clear them if they can, that being said, if they can't it makes LE's job 100x harder as they are looking at outsiders AND the family.
Yes, and the drug use would be an important factor as to the type of people he associated with, owed money to, partied with in the home...etc.  


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: BooMonkey on February 21, 2009, 11:26:16 PM
They BOTH have sorted past BUT what Ron did after Whoraldo was right in his face being confrontational was he put the focus back on Haleigh where it belongs.    Someone guilty yet being confronted in the manner Whoraldo did would have not had the presence of mind to do that but would have continued the argument with Whoraldo - that should be considered - there was NO plea for Haleigh's safe return by any family member on Crystal's side tonight, just sheer focus on pointing unfit parenting and worse on Ron.

Ron's denial of drug use while his charges were dismissed does seem like a stretch to me that he doesnt take them at all.  BUT Crystal has yet to admit her continuous drug use is why she lost custody as well as not getting Haleigh to the doctor.

Like I said its pretty obvious to all following this case that all these family members are not the brightest bulbs nor without sorted pasts.

Cap, I am in total agreement with you entire statement. Neither side are angels, but the focus shouldn't be on the family  and dissecting them, the focus should be on Haleigh! Geraldo went in there to cause trouble. He chose the easiest mark and went in that direction. Supposedly LE has cleared the immediate family, as in Ron and Crystal, so Geraldo should have done some actual work and found out about the search for the little girl, not digging up dirt on everyone and standing back to watch the show.
I have to disagree.  The focus should absolutly  be on the family.  In these case of child abduction it is almost always someone in the family or someone connected to the family.  She was in Ron's care at the time is why he is under so much scrutany but Crystals family should also be investigated as well.

ITA~and that is exactly what LE does, first they look at the family and the dynamics - clear them if they can, that being said, if they can't it makes LE's job 100x harder as they are looking at outsiders AND the family.

I agree, but I thought LE had taken care of that. I was under the impression that Ron told all to them and passed the lie detector test.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 11:26:55 PM

Last I knew, RC said they told him he passed his poly.  Misty said in one interview she passed hers, on another interview said they didn't really tell her anything. 

Crystal's mother said they had done all their paperwork, but had not been asked to take the actual poly tests yet.

LE said no one has been ruled out as a suspect.

Is this where it still stands now?

Yep~

LE has never commented on who passed polygraphs and today stated the cousin in TN is NOT a suspect, so other than that you are spot on.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 21, 2009, 11:27:44 PM

Last I knew, RC said they told him he passed his poly.  Misty said in one interview she passed hers, on another interview said they didn't really tell her anything. 

Crystal's mother said they had done all their paperwork, but had not been asked to take the actual poly tests yet.

LE said no one has been ruled out as a suspect.Is this where it still stands now?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 21, 2009, 11:27:51 PM
Maybe he had to go to parenting classes. There was mud slinging before he got custody and Geraldo stirred the pot.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 21, 2009, 11:29:09 PM

Last I knew, RC said they told him he passed his poly.  Misty said in one interview she passed hers, on another interview said they didn't really tell her anything. 

Crystal's mother said they had done all their paperwork, but had not been asked to take the actual poly tests yet.

LE said no one has been ruled out as a suspect.Is this where it still stands now?
sorry, messed up.  I think the only offical statment is that noone has been cleared.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 11:29:14 PM
They BOTH have sorted past BUT what Ron did after Whoraldo was right in his face being confrontational was he put the focus back on Haleigh where it belongs.    Someone guilty yet being confronted in the manner Whoraldo did would have not had the presence of mind to do that but would have continued the argument with Whoraldo - that should be considered - there was NO plea for Haleigh's safe return by any family member on Crystal's side tonight, just sheer focus on pointing unfit parenting and worse on Ron.

Ron's denial of drug use while his charges were dismissed does seem like a stretch to me that he doesnt take them at all.  BUT Crystal has yet to admit her continuous drug use is why she lost custody as well as not getting Haleigh to the doctor.

Like I said its pretty obvious to all following this case that all these family members are not the brightest bulbs nor without sorted pasts.

Cap, I am in total agreement with you entire statement. Neither side are angels, but the focus shouldn't be on the family  and dissecting them, the focus should be on Haleigh! Geraldo went in there to cause trouble. He chose the easiest mark and went in that direction. Supposedly LE has cleared the immediate family, as in Ron and Crystal, so Geraldo should have done some actual work and found out about the search for the little girl, not digging up dirt on everyone and standing back to watch the show.
I have to disagree.  The focus should absolutly  be on the family.  In these case of child abduction it is almost always someone in the family or someone connected to the family.  She was in Ron's care at the time is why he is under so much scrutany but Crystals family should also be investigated as well.

ITA~and that is exactly what LE does, first they look at the family and the dynamics - clear them if they can, that being said, if they can't it makes LE's job 100x harder as they are looking at outsiders AND the family.

I agree, but I thought LE had taken care of that. I was under the impression that Ron told all to them and passed the lie detector test.

No~LE has stated in the press conferences where this question came up, that they are not commenting on polygraphs. RC did tell them he and gf passed, but them gf contradicted him by telling that LE asked her not to talk about her polygraph and she has been polygraphed at least one more time since she made that stmt.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 21, 2009, 11:31:41 PM
Neither family is perfect that's a fact.  Both Ronald and Crystal have both done drugs.  WHERE IS HALEIGH and do any of them, Ronald, Misty, Crystal have anything to do with Haleigh missing. 

Geraldo needs to go home.

Klaas~maybe you'd remember this, but wasn't RC on the search twith TES when he mentioned to either TM or someone with TES that he was afraid it was retribution or retaliation fromsomething he'd done. It's in these threads, I just wondered if you remeber where?

TIA

I don't remember, sorry.

I think when Ron throw out there about the idea of retaliation is nothing but hogwash.. Their throwing out alibies him and Misty to take the investagation away from them..Ron should of been sent to anger management a long time ago.. In my oppinion he should not have custody of the children and I be worried about the other child Jr. When the 911 call came in Ron in the background all ready started saying about who ever took her and hes got a gun and will kill him raised a red flag to me.. I think the 911 call was staged.. His fake cries and Misty's trying to make herself cry and all their inconsistencies.. It makes you wonder what really did happen that evening...I would like to know if Ron had a life insurance policy on Haleigh.. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: seemeatthebeach on February 21, 2009, 11:36:59 PM
Did anyone tape whoraldo?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 21, 2009, 11:37:31 PM
They BOTH have sorted past BUT what Ron did after Whoraldo was right in his face being confrontational was he put the focus back on Haleigh where it belongs.    Someone guilty yet being confronted in the manner Whoraldo did would have not had the presence of mind to do that but would have continued the argument with Whoraldo - that should be considered - there was NO plea for Haleigh's safe return by any family member on Crystal's side tonight, just sheer focus on pointing unfit parenting and worse on Ron.

Ron's denial of drug use while his charges were dismissed does seem like a stretch to me that he doesnt take them at all.  BUT Crystal has yet to admit her continuous drug use is why she lost custody as well as not getting Haleigh to the doctor.

Like I said its pretty obvious to all following this case that all these family members are not the brightest bulbs nor without sorted pasts.

Cap, I am in total agreement with you entire statement. Neither side are angels, but the focus shouldn't be on the family  and dissecting them, the focus should be on Haleigh! Geraldo went in there to cause trouble. He chose the easiest mark and went in that direction. Supposedly LE has cleared the immediate family, as in Ron and Crystal, so Geraldo should have done some actual work and found out about the search for the little girl, not digging up dirt on everyone and standing back to watch the show.
I have to disagree.  The focus should absolutly  be on the family.  In these case of child abduction it is almost always someone in the family or someone connected to the family.  She was in Ron's care at the time is why he is under so much scrutany but Crystals family should also be investigated as well.

ITA~and that is exactly what LE does, first they look at the family and the dynamics - clear them if they can, that being said, if they can't it makes LE's job 100x harder as they are looking at outsiders AND the family.

I agree, but I thought LE had taken care of that. I was under the impression that Ron told all to them and passed the lie detector test.

No~LE has stated in the press conferences where this question came up, that they are not commenting on polygraphs. RC did tell them he and gf passed, but them gf contradicted him by telling that LE asked her not to talk about her polygraph and she has been polygraphed at least one more time since she made that stmt.
Yes, and wether he passed the poly or not I'm just saying that the drug issue is of importance because of the people he associated with.  He could pass a poly saying he had nothing to do with her disapperance but he would still need to be questioned about his associations with others....who, he brought to his home etc....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: seemeatthebeach on February 21, 2009, 11:38:45 PM
http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/02/police-report-narrative.html

http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/02/ronald-cummings-misty-croslin-and.html


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Cappuccino on February 21, 2009, 11:39:39 PM
::MonkeyTongue::  Ok~was it just ME or did anyone else find it odd that he stated "we had an agreement and she would get spankings, just like DCS says is proper" Geez, I never have once hadto consult DCS in the discipline of my children and that he even raised that point is a red flag to me.....WHY?
YES, quite an odd statement...I don't know if he had anything to do with Hayleigh's missing or not but he lied about drug use, I think he lied about the fight with the gun, I think he lied about abusing Crystal and then there is the 911 call.....remember the way he talked to Misty...that was not the first time he had talked to her that way......just saying

Id like to know if Crystal and her family called Child Services at any time as well, if Child Services was called to that house why & what were the circumstances that brought them there?  I'd like to find out before I speculate that aspect further.

Ron's temper is quite possibly an issue, he dates uneducated, naive 17 year olds because that is where his mentality stopped growing himself (well actually thats insultive to many teens far advanced at 17-lets say his mentality is very immaturely stunted), Ill agree with that.  It does appear by statements he made to Misty in anger & incredible shock that he might be verbally abusive BUT we have no proof that he was physically abusive with anyone to date.  I may have not used that defaming language but I would have been rip roaring pissed if someone was irresponsible in some manner that caused my child to be missing-what he was saying upon getting this news was he found it hard to believe someone just broke into the house under her nose & she didnt hear a thing, millions are wondering the same thing so he's no different for thinking it.   If couples leave their young children with teen babysitters, why is it a question that he left his children in an almost adult aged teen's care in this case?    If he knew she was not capable of caring for his children responsibly, that is an entirely different issue.   He got frustrated with Misty on Greta too because she just couldnt form one sentence together & seemed far off in the distance when Greta was asking her a direct simple question BUT truthfully I found it frustrating just watching her gaze into thin air.  It might very well be that he is often verbally abusive but I cannot stretch to say there is physical abuse of women or children based on what we know so far nor will I personally speculate on that until I see something more concrete - not just allegations made by a bitter party such as an ex-wife/girlfriend that has had a sorted past herself, enough that she lost custody of her children over.   Don't forget in most custody cases there are not only legal considerations but psychological testing, evaluations of all family members are conducted with experts making their findings known & what their recommendations are.  There are a few minor cases on average where judges get it wrong, but generally they dont...just saying.    Years later who is more suited to have custody presently, that very well might be an issue.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 11:40:50 PM
 ::MonkeyConfused:: 

I finally found the post where RC mentions his fears of retaliation:

February 17, 2009
Florida Police Receive New Leads in Abduction of Haleigh Cummings
 The search for Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings, a 5-year-old girl who vanished from her Putnam County, Fla., home on Feb. 10, has been significantly scaled back; however investigators say they are following up on new leads.

"We were able to come up with several good leads that we are following up on today," Capt. Steve Rose of the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office said at a press conference today. "At this time we cannot discuss the nature of those leads."

Sources close to the investigation have told Investigation Discovery that the new leads revolve around the timeline the girl disappeared and the initial report given to law enforcement. This information reportedly changed the focus of the investigation, which in turn resulted in the search being scaled back. Due to the sensitive nature of the information obtained by ID no further details can be provided at this time.

Among those pulling out of the search for Haleigh is Texas EquuSearch, a search and recovery group from Dickinson, Texas, who was recently involved in the search for Casey Anthony's missing daughter, Caylee Anthony.

According to Mike Ray, a Texas EquuSearch search coordinator who was on the ground during the search effort, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office asked Texas EquuSearch to pull out of the search yesterday. Ray would not discuss the specifics of that request; however he did say they had conducted a thorough search of the area.

 "We had 300 searchers at our disposal," Ray told investigation Discovery. "We went out multiple times and cleared all of the wooded areas around Haleigh's home. The terrain was some of the most difficult I've seen compared to other searches I have been on. There was a lot of saw brush and a lot of volunteers came out with cuts on their forearms and legs. No one can say we did not put forth our best effort. We went out of our way to clear every area. The scale of this search could only be matched by the one we conducted for Caylee."

Ray said that while volunteers searched the woods, law enforcement personnel focused much of their attention on a nearby waterway.

"They had about 30 boats in the water," Ray said. "They were conducting sonar searches and they were also dragging the bottom."

Celebrity bounty hunter Leonard Padilla was also present during the search effort; however Ray said he did not actively participate in the search and remained camped out with the media. Last week, Padilla offered a $25,000 reward to anyone who returned Haleigh by Feb. 14. 
 In related news, volunteers found one area of interest in the woods where someone had constructed a makeshift lean-to and furniture out of tree branches. A shovel and length of rope were found at the location; however it remains unclear if any of the items are of relevance.

Meanwhile, Haleigh's father, 24-year-old Ronald Cummings, reportedly told an ID source that he has a new theory on what might have happened to Haleigh.

Cummings allegedly said that it is possible that Haleigh's abduction was in retaliation for something he did in the past, but he did not clarify what that "something" could be. Cummings also allegedly said that he believes someone gained entry to his home using a "lock bumping" technique. It remains unclear if law enforcement is following up on that theory.


Regardless of how the abduction occurred, the fact remains that a beautiful 5-year-old girl is missing. It remains the hope of everyone involved that a break in the case will occur soon.

Haleigh Cummings is described as three feet tall, weighing 39 pounds, with blonde hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a pink shirt and underwear. Anyone with information on her whereabouts is asked to contact the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at 386-329-0808 or Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 21, 2009, 11:43:53 PM
Neither family is perfect that's a fact.  Both Ronald and Crystal have both done drugs.  WHERE IS HALEIGH and do any of them, Ronald, Misty, Crystal have anything to do with Haleigh missing. 

Geraldo needs to go home.

Klaas~maybe you'd remember this, but wasn't RC on the search twith TES when he mentioned to either TM or someone with TES that he was afraid it was retribution or retaliation fromsomething he'd done. It's in these threads, I just wondered if you remeber where?

TIA

I don't remember, sorry.

I think when Ron throw out there about the idea of retaliation is nothing but hogwash.. Their throwing out alibies him and Misty to take the investagation away from them..Ron should of been sent to anger management a long time ago.. In my oppinion he should not have custody of the children and I be worried about the other child Jr. When the 911 call came in Ron in the background all ready started saying about who ever took her and hes got a gun and will kill him raised a red flag to me.. I think the 911 call was staged.. His fake cries and Misty's trying to make herself cry and all their inconsistencies.. It makes you wonder what really did happen that evening...I would like to know if Ron had a life insurance policy on Haleigh.. ::MonkeyTongue::
Yes jerseygirl, I think the anger issue is HUGE.  I would like to hear from some people he works with.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 11:46:16 PM
Neither family is perfect that's a fact.  Both Ronald and Crystal have both done drugs.  WHERE IS HALEIGH and do any of them, Ronald, Misty, Crystal have anything to do with Haleigh missing. 

Geraldo needs to go home.

Klaas~maybe you'd remember this, but wasn't RC on the search twith TES when he mentioned to either TM or someone with TES that he was afraid it was retribution or retaliation fromsomething he'd done. It's in these threads, I just wondered if you remeber where?

TIA

I don't remember, sorry.

I think when Ron throw out there about the idea of retaliation is nothing but hogwash.. Their throwing out alibies him and Misty to take the investagation away from them..Ron should of been sent to anger management a long time ago.. In my oppinion he should not have custody of the children and I be worried about the other child Jr. When the 911 call came in Ron in the background all ready started saying about who ever took her and hes got a gun and will kill him raised a red flag to me.. I think the 911 call was staged.. His fake cries and Misty's trying to make herself cry and all their inconsistencies.. It makes you wonder what really did happen that evening...I would like to know if Ron had a life insurance policy on Haleigh.. ::MonkeyTongue::

I doubt it but don't know for sure..I agree about trying to take the heat off of them by throwing others out there, and that DCS should further investigate Ron Jr's living arrangements. I wonder if we will EVER know what really went down that night, except a beautiful child is missing and most likely gone forever, and way too young.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 21, 2009, 11:48:12 PM
Neither family is perfect that's a fact.  Both Ronald and Crystal have both done drugs.  WHERE IS HALEIGH and do any of them, Ronald, Misty, Crystal have anything to do with Haleigh missing. 

Geraldo needs to go home.

Klaas~maybe you'd remember this, but wasn't RC on the search twith TES when he mentioned to either TM or someone with TES that he was afraid it was retribution or retaliation fromsomething he'd done. It's in these threads, I just wondered if you remeber where?

TIA

I don't remember, sorry.

I think when Ron throw out there about the idea of retaliation is nothing but hogwash.. Their throwing out alibies him and Misty to take the investagation away from them..Ron should of been sent to anger management a long time ago.. In my oppinion he should not have custody of the children and I be worried about the other child Jr. When the 911 call came in Ron in the background all ready started saying about who ever took her and hes got a gun and will kill him raised a red flag to me.. I think the 911 call was staged.. His fake cries and Misty's trying to make herself cry and all their inconsistencies.. It makes you wonder what really did happen that evening...I would like to know if Ron had a life insurance policy on Haleigh.. ::MonkeyTongue::
Yes jerseygirl, I think the anger issue is HUGE.  I would like to hear from some people he works with.

I would like to know if LE talked to the other minor he got pregnant ... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 21, 2009, 11:48:26 PM
::MonkeyTongue::  Ok~was it just ME or did anyone else find it odd that he stated "we had an agreement and she would get spankings, just like DCS says is proper" Geez, I never have once hadto consult DCS in the discipline of my children and that he even raised that point is a red flag to me.....WHY?
YES, quite an odd statement...I don't know if he had anything to do with Hayleigh's missing or not but he lied about drug use, I think he lied about the fight with the gun, I think he lied about abusing Crystal and then there is the 911 call.....remember the way he talked to Misty...that was not the first time he had talked to her that way......just saying

Id like to know if Crystal and her family called Child Services at any time as well, if Child Services was called to that house why & what were the circumstances that brought them there?  I'd like to find out before I speculate that aspect further.

Ron's temper is quite possibly an issue, he dates uneducated, naive 17 year olds because that is where his mentality stopped growing himself (well actually thats insultive to many teens far advanced at 17-lets say his mentality is very immaturely stunted), Ill agree with that.  It does appear by statements he made to Misty in anger & incredible shock that he might be verbally abusive BUT we have no proof that he was physically abusive with anyone to date.  I may have not used that defaming language but I would have been rip roaring pissed if someone was irresponsible in some manner that caused my child to be missing-what he was saying upon getting this news was he found it hard to believe someone just broke into the house under her nose & she didnt hear a thing, millions are wondering the same thing so he's no different for thinking it.   If couples leave their young children with teen babysitters, why is it a question that he left his children in an almost adult aged teen's care in this case?    If he knew she was not capable of caring for his children responsibly, that is an entirely different issue.   He got frustrated with Misty on Greta too because she just couldnt form one sentence together & seemed far off in the distance when Greta was asking her a direct simple question BUT truthfully I found it frustrating just watching her gaze into thin air.  It might very well be that he is often verbally abusive but I cannot stretch to say there is physical abuse of women or children based on what we know so far nor will I personally speculate on that until I see something more concrete - not just allegations made by a bitter party such as an ex-wife/girlfriend that has had a sorted past herself, enough that she lost custody of her children over.   Don't forget in most custody cases there are not only legal considerations but psychological testing, evaluations of all family members are conducted with experts making their findings known & what their recommendations are.  There are a few minor cases on average where judges get it wrong, but generally they dont...just saying.     Years later who is more suited to have custody presently, that very well might be an issue.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 21, 2009, 11:50:20 PM
::MonkeyTongue::  Ok~was it just ME or did anyone else find it odd that he stated "we had an agreement and she would get spankings, just like DCS says is proper" Geez, I never have once hadto consult DCS in the discipline of my children and that he even raised that point is a red flag to me.....WHY?
YES, quite an odd statement...I don't know if he had anything to do with Hayleigh's missing or not but he lied about drug use, I think he lied about the fight with the gun, I think he lied about abusing Crystal and then there is the 911 call.....remember the way he talked to Misty...that was not the first time he had talked to her that way......just saying

Id like to know if Crystal and her family called Child Services at any time as well, if Child Services was called to that house why & what were the circumstances that brought them there?  I'd like to find out before I speculate that aspect further.

Ron's temper is quite possibly an issue, he dates uneducated, naive 17 year olds because that is where his mentality stopped growing himself (well actually thats insultive to many teens far advanced at 17-lets say his mentality is very immaturely stunted), Ill agree with that.  It does appear by statements he made to Misty in anger & incredible shock that he might be verbally abusive BUT we have no proof that he was physically abusive with anyone to date.  I may have not used that defaming language but I would have been rip roaring pissed if someone was irresponsible in some manner that caused my child to be missing-what he was saying upon getting this news was he found it hard to believe someone just broke into the house under her nose & she didnt hear a thing, millions are wondering the same thing so he's no different for thinking it.   If couples leave their young children with teen babysitters, why is it a question that he left his children in an almost adult aged teen's care in this case?    If he knew she was not capable of caring for his children responsibly, that is an entirely different issue.   He got frustrated with Misty on Greta too because she just couldnt form one sentence together & seemed far off in the distance when Greta was asking her a direct simple question BUT truthfully I found it frustrating just watching her gaze into thin air.  It might very well be that he is often verbally abusive but I cannot stretch to say there is physical abuse of women or children based on what we know so far nor will I personally speculate on that until I see something more concrete - not just allegations made by a bitter party such as an ex-wife/girlfriend that has had a sorted past herself, enough that she lost custody of her children over.   Don't forget in most custody cases there are not only legal considerations but psychological testing, evaluations of all family members are conducted with experts making their findings known & what their recommendations are.  There are a few minor cases on average where judges get it wrong, but generally they dont...just saying.     Years later who is more suited to have custody presently, that very well might be an issue.
Meant to say, I'll let Islandmonkey handle that one.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 21, 2009, 11:52:08 PM
I appreciate what everyone's saying and I'm with ya'.  But what I found most stunning (and potentially dangerous) was freaking Grrraldo attempting to out RC as a police informant.  Is he crazy?  That is the height of irresponsibility and could get someone killed.  And where does he get off standing in RC's face like that?  What a first class jerk.  He was begging for RC to open a can of whoop a*# on him, wasn't he?

If he and brother dear had turned up anything, they should've gone to LE not nat'l. tv.

I've got to get back to my nastygram to the heartless Grrraldo and his chump brother--and all of the sponsors. For shame  :smt013  :gaah:...

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 11:52:23 PM
::MonkeyTongue::  Ok~was it just ME or did anyone else find it odd that he stated "we had an agreement and she would get spankings, just like DCS says is proper" Geez, I never have once hadto consult DCS in the discipline of my children and that he even raised that point is a red flag to me.....WHY?
YES, quite an odd statement...I don't know if he had anything to do with Hayleigh's missing or not but he lied about drug use, I think he lied about the fight with the gun, I think he lied about abusing Crystal and then there is the 911 call.....remember the way he talked to Misty...that was not the first time he had talked to her that way......just saying

Id like to know if Crystal and her family called Child Services at any time as well, if Child Services was called to that house why & what were the circumstances that brought them there?  I'd like to find out before I speculate that aspect further.

Ron's temper is quite possibly an issue, he dates uneducated, naive 17 year olds because that is where his mentality stopped growing himself (well actually thats insultive to many teens far advanced at 17-lets say his mentality is very immaturely stunted), Ill agree with that.  It does appear by statements he made to Misty in anger & incredible shock that he might be verbally abusive BUT we have no proof that he was physically abusive with anyone to date.  I may have not used that defaming language but I would have been rip roaring pissed if someone was irresponsible in some manner that caused my child to be missing-what he was saying upon getting this news was he found it hard to believe someone just broke into the house under her nose & she didnt hear a thing, millions are wondering the same thing so he's no different for thinking it.   If couples leave their young children with teen babysitters, why is it a question that he left his children in an almost adult aged teen's care in this case?    If he knew she was not capable of caring for his children responsibly, that is an entirely different issue.   He got frustrated with Misty on Greta too because she just couldnt form one sentence together & seemed far off in the distance when Greta was asking her a direct simple question BUT truthfully I found it frustrating just watching her gaze into thin air.  It might very well be that he is often verbally abusive but I cannot stretch to say there is physical abuse of women or children based on what we know so far nor will I personally speculate on that until I see something more concrete - not just allegations made by a bitter party such as an ex-wife/girlfriend that has had a sorted past herself, enough that she lost custody of her children over.   Don't forget in most custody cases there are not only legal considerations but psychological testing, evaluations of all family members are conducted with experts making their findings known & what their recommendations are.  There are a few minor cases on average where judges get it wrong, but generally they dont...just saying.     Years later who is more suited to have custody presently, that very well might be an issue.
Meant to say, I'll let Islandmonkey handle that one.  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: LMAO~already have over and over ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 21, 2009, 11:52:48 PM
::MonkeyTongue::  Ok~was it just ME or did anyone else find it odd that he stated "we had an agreement and she would get spankings, just like DCS says is proper" Geez, I never have once hadto consult DCS in the discipline of my children and that he even raised that point is a red flag to me.....WHY?
YES, quite an odd statement...I don't know if he had anything to do with Hayleigh's missing or not but he lied about drug use, I think he lied about the fight with the gun, I think he lied about abusing Crystal and then there is the 911 call.....remember the way he talked to Misty...that was not the first time he had talked to her that way......just saying

Id like to know if Crystal and her family called Child Services at any time as well, if Child Services was called to that house why & what were the circumstances that brought them there?  I'd like to find out before I speculate that aspect further.

Ron's temper is quite possibly an issue, he dates uneducated, naive 17 year olds because that is where his mentality stopped growing himself (well actually thats insultive to many teens far advanced at 17-lets say his mentality is very immaturely stunted), Ill agree with that.  It does appear by statements he made to Misty in anger & incredible shock that he might be verbally abusive BUT we have no proof that he was physically abusive with anyone to date.  I may have not used that defaming language but I would have been rip roaring pissed if someone was irresponsible in some manner that caused my child to be missing-what he was saying upon getting this news was he found it hard to believe someone just broke into the house under her nose & she didnt hear a thing, millions are wondering the same thing so he's no different for thinking it.   If couples leave their young children with teen babysitters, why is it a question that he left his children in an almost adult aged teen's care in this case?    If he knew she was not capable of caring for his children responsibly, that is an entirely different issue.   He got frustrated with Misty on Greta too because she just couldnt form one sentence together & seemed far off in the distance when Greta was asking her a direct simple question BUT truthfully I found it frustrating just watching her gaze into thin air.  It might very well be that he is often verbally abusive but I cannot stretch to say there is physical abuse of women or children based on what we know so far nor will I personally speculate on that until I see something more concrete - not just allegations made by a bitter party such as an ex-wife/girlfriend that has had a sorted past herself, enough that she lost custody of her children over.   Don't forget in most custody cases there are not only legal considerations but psychological testing, evaluations of all family members are conducted with experts making their findings known & what their recommendations are.  There are a few minor cases on average where judges get it wrong, but generally they dont...just saying.     Years later who is more suited to have custody presently, that very well might be an issue.

I read the custody hearing...I think the judge should of used more caution and check the backgrounds better...IMO ::MonkeyTongue::

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Puzzler on February 21, 2009, 11:53:17 PM
Has LE told us anyone "passed" a lie-detector test?

Has LE told us anyone has been "cleared" in this case?



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 21, 2009, 11:53:46 PM
Neither family is perfect that's a fact.  Both Ronald and Crystal have both done drugs.  WHERE IS HALEIGH and do any of them, Ronald, Misty, Crystal have anything to do with Haleigh missing. 

Geraldo needs to go home.

Klaas~maybe you'd remember this, but wasn't RC on the search twith TES when he mentioned to either TM or someone with TES that he was afraid it was retribution or retaliation fromsomething he'd done. It's in these threads, I just wondered if you remeber where?

TIA

I don't remember, sorry.

I think when Ron throw out there about the idea of retaliation is nothing but hogwash.. Their throwing out alibies him and Misty to take the investagation away from them..Ron should of been sent to anger management a long time ago.. In my oppinion he should not have custody of the children and I be worried about the other child Jr. When the 911 call came in Ron in the background all ready started saying about who ever took her and hes got a gun and will kill him raised a red flag to me.. I think the 911 call was staged.. His fake cries and Misty's trying to make herself cry and all their inconsistencies.. It makes you wonder what really did happen that evening...I would like to know if Ron had a life insurance policy on Haleigh.. ::MonkeyTongue::
Yes jerseygirl, I think the anger issue is HUGE.  I would like to hear from some people he works with.

I would like to know if LE talked to the other minor he got pregnant ... ::MonkeyTongue::
Good call....When was that?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 21, 2009, 11:54:32 PM
Has LE told us anyone "passed" a lie-detector test?

Has LE told us anyone has been "cleared" in this case?



Last time i read everyone was a suspect.... It make you wonder... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Puzzler on February 21, 2009, 11:55:38 PM
Neither family is perfect that's a fact.  Both Ronald and Crystal have both done drugs.  WHERE IS HALEIGH and do any of them, Ronald, Misty, Crystal have anything to do with Haleigh missing. 

Geraldo needs to go home.

Klaas~maybe you'd remember this, but wasn't RC on the search twith TES when he mentioned to either TM or someone with TES that he was afraid it was retribution or retaliation fromsomething he'd done. It's in these threads, I just wondered if you remeber where?

TIA

I don't remember, sorry.

I think when Ron throw out there about the idea of retaliation is nothing but hogwash.. Their throwing out alibies him and Misty to take the investagation away from them..Ron should of been sent to anger management a long time ago.. In my oppinion he should not have custody of the children and I be worried about the other child Jr. When the 911 call came in Ron in the background all ready started saying about who ever took her and hes got a gun and will kill him raised a red flag to me.. I think the 911 call was staged.. His fake cries and Misty's trying to make herself cry and all their inconsistencies.. It makes you wonder what really did happen that evening...I would like to know if Ron had a life insurance policy on Haleigh.. ::MonkeyTongue::

IMO it was odd for Ron to tell Misty to call 911.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 21, 2009, 11:55:45 PM
::MonkeyTongue::  Ok~was it just ME or did anyone else find it odd that he stated "we had an agreement and she would get spankings, just like DCS says is proper" Geez, I never have once hadto consult DCS in the discipline of my children and that he even raised that point is a red flag to me.....WHY?
YES, quite an odd statement...I don't know if he had anything to do with Hayleigh's missing or not but he lied about drug use, I think he lied about the fight with the gun, I think he lied about abusing Crystal and then there is the 911 call.....remember the way he talked to Misty...that was not the first time he had talked to her that way......just saying

Id like to know if Crystal and her family called Child Services at any time as well, if Child Services was called to that house why & what were the circumstances that brought them there?  I'd like to find out before I speculate that aspect further.

Ron's temper is quite possibly an issue, he dates uneducated, naive 17 year olds because that is where his mentality stopped growing himself (well actually thats insultive to many teens far advanced at 17-lets say his mentality is very immaturely stunted), Ill agree with that.  It does appear by statements he made to Misty in anger & incredible shock that he might be verbally abusive BUT we have no proof that he was physically abusive with anyone to date.  I may have not used that defaming language but I would have been rip roaring pissed if someone was irresponsible in some manner that caused my child to be missing-what he was saying upon getting this news was he found it hard to believe someone just broke into the house under her nose & she didnt hear a thing, millions are wondering the same thing so he's no different for thinking it.   If couples leave their young children with teen babysitters, why is it a question that he left his children in an almost adult aged teen's care in this case?    If he knew she was not capable of caring for his children responsibly, that is an entirely different issue.   He got frustrated with Misty on Greta too because she just couldnt form one sentence together & seemed far off in the distance when Greta was asking her a direct simple question BUT truthfully I found it frustrating just watching her gaze into thin air.  It might very well be that he is often verbally abusive but I cannot stretch to say there is physical abuse of women or children based on what we know so far nor will I personally speculate on that until I see something more concrete - not just allegations made by a bitter party such as an ex-wife/girlfriend that has had a sorted past herself, enough that she lost custody of her children over.   Don't forget in most custody cases there are not only legal considerations but psychological testing, evaluations of all family members are conducted with experts making their findings known & what their recommendations are.  There are a few minor cases on average where judges get it wrong, but generally they dont...just saying.     Years later who is more suited to have custody presently, that very well might be an issue.
Meant to say, I'll let Islandmonkey handle that one.  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: LMAO~already have over and over ::MonkeyWink::
::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 21, 2009, 11:55:51 PM
I appreciate what everyone's saying and I'm with ya'.  But what I found most stunning (and potentially dangerous) was freaking Grrraldo attempting to out RC as a police informant.  Is he crazy?  That is the height of irresponsibility and could get someone killed.  And where does he get off standing in RC's face like that?  What a first class jerk.  He was begging for RC to open a can of whoop a*# on him, wasn't he?

If he and brother dear had turned up anything, they should've gone to LE not nat'l. tv.

I've got to get back to my nastygram to the heartless Grrraldo and his chump brother--and all of the sponsors. For shame  :smt013  :gaah:...

Foggy


I have wondered that myself, but it would certainly be a dangerous item to out someone an Nat'l Tv..


I have to say that if I was the bio mom and have been standing around for almost 2 weeks waiting for everyone to get their story straight I'd be pizzed off, and may very well use the media to try and draw attention to these to make someone break.......But, that's just me....I'd be fed up with all the inconsistencies, rumors, double talk etc.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 21, 2009, 11:55:58 PM
Neither family is perfect that's a fact.  Both Ronald and Crystal have both done drugs.  WHERE IS HALEIGH and do any of them, Ronald, Misty, Crystal have anything to do with Haleigh missing. 

Geraldo needs to go home.

Klaas~maybe you'd remember this, but wasn't RC on the search twith TES when he mentioned to either TM or someone with TES that he was afraid it was retribution or retaliation fromsomething he'd done. It's in these threads, I just wondered if you remeber where?

TIA

I don't remember, sorry.

I think when Ron throw out there about the idea of retaliation is nothing but hogwash.. Their throwing out alibies him and Misty to take the investagation away from them..Ron should of been sent to anger management a long time ago.. In my oppinion he should not have custody of the children and I be worried about the other child Jr. When the 911 call came in Ron in the background all ready started saying about who ever took her and hes got a gun and will kill him raised a red flag to me.. I think the 911 call was staged.. His fake cries and Misty's trying to make herself cry and all their inconsistencies.. It makes you wonder what really did happen that evening...I would like to know if Ron had a life insurance policy on Haleigh.. ::MonkeyTongue::
Yes jerseygirl, I think the anger issue is HUGE.  I would like to hear from some people he works with.

I would like to know if LE talked to the other minor he got pregnant ... ::MonkeyTongue::
Good call....When was that?

I dont know Dottie but apparently I read he has another child with a minor- a boy.. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 21, 2009, 11:57:45 PM
I appreciate what everyone's saying and I'm with ya'.  But what I found most stunning (and potentially dangerous) was freaking Grrraldo attempting to out RC as a police informant.  Is he crazy?  That is the height of irresponsibility and could get someone killed.  And where does he get off standing in RC's face like that?  What a first class jerk.  He was begging for RC to open a can of whoop a*# on him, wasn't he?

If he and brother dear had turned up anything, they should've gone to LE not nat'l. tv.

I've got to get back to my nastygram to the heartless Grrraldo and his chump brother--and all of the sponsors. For shame  :smt013  :gaah:...

Foggy


same here foggy, and amen to that.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 21, 2009, 11:59:25 PM
Neither family is perfect that's a fact.  Both Ronald and Crystal have both done drugs.  WHERE IS HALEIGH and do any of them, Ronald, Misty, Crystal have anything to do with Haleigh missing. 

Geraldo needs to go home.

Klaas~maybe you'd remember this, but wasn't RC on the search twith TES when he mentioned to either TM or someone with TES that he was afraid it was retribution or retaliation fromsomething he'd done. It's in these threads, I just wondered if you remeber where?

TIA

I don't remember, sorry.

I think when Ron throw out there about the idea of retaliation is nothing but hogwash.. Their throwing out alibies him and Misty to take the investagation away from them..Ron should of been sent to anger management a long time ago.. In my oppinion he should not have custody of the children and I be worried about the other child Jr. When the 911 call came in Ron in the background all ready started saying about who ever took her and hes got a gun and will kill him raised a red flag to me.. I think the 911 call was staged.. His fake cries and Misty's trying to make herself cry and all their inconsistencies.. It makes you wonder what really did happen that evening...I would like to know if Ron had a life insurance policy on Haleigh.. ::MonkeyTongue::

IMO it was odd for Ron to tell Misty to call 911.



ITA with ya...Its Ron's daughter and Misty was not the one that should of made that call. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 21, 2009, 11:59:32 PM
I appreciate what everyone's saying and I'm with ya'.  But what I found most stunning (and potentially dangerous) was freaking Grrraldo attempting to out RC as a police informant.   Is he crazy?  That is the height of irresponsibility and could get someone killed.  And where does he get off standing in RC's face like that?  What a first class jerk.  He was begging for RC to open a can of whoop a*# on him, wasn't he?

If he and brother dear had turned up anything, they should've gone to LE not nat'l. tv.

I've got to get back to my nastygram to the heartless Grrraldo and his chump brother--and all of the sponsors. For shame  :smt013  :gaah:...

Foggy

I agree, Where did that come from?  Has it been mentioned?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 12:00:12 AM
Neither family is perfect that's a fact.  Both Ronald and Crystal have both done drugs.  WHERE IS HALEIGH and do any of them, Ronald, Misty, Crystal have anything to do with Haleigh missing. 

Geraldo needs to go home.

Klaas~maybe you'd remember this, but wasn't RC on the search twith TES when he mentioned to either TM or someone with TES that he was afraid it was retribution or retaliation fromsomething he'd done. It's in these threads, I just wondered if you remeber where?

TIA

I don't remember, sorry.

I think when Ron throw out there about the idea of retaliation is nothing but hogwash.. Their throwing out alibies him and Misty to take the investagation away from them..Ron should of been sent to anger management a long time ago.. In my oppinion he should not have custody of the children and I be worried about the other child Jr. When the 911 call came in Ron in the background all ready started saying about who ever took her and hes got a gun and will kill him raised a red flag to me.. I think the 911 call was staged.. His fake cries and Misty's trying to make herself cry and all their inconsistencies.. It makes you wonder what really did happen that evening...I would like to know if Ron had a life insurance policy on Haleigh.. ::MonkeyTongue::
Yes jerseygirl, I think the anger issue is HUGE.  I would like to hear from some people he works with.

I would like to know if LE talked to the other minor he got pregnant ... ::MonkeyTongue::
Good call....When was that?

I dont know Dottie but apparently I read he has another child with a minor- a boy.. ::MonkeyTongue::

IIRC, this was how he met Misty..she was babsitting for this baby whoI believe was about 9 months at the time.....FTLOG~Keep your pants zipped up and stop having babies you can't properly take care of ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Puzzler on February 22, 2009, 12:01:06 AM
I appreciate what everyone's saying and I'm with ya'.  But what I found most stunning (and potentially dangerous) was freaking Grrraldo attempting to out RC as a police informant.  Is he crazy?  That is the height of irresponsibility and could get someone killed.  And where does he get off standing in RC's face like that?  What a first class jerk.  He was begging for RC to open a can of whoop a*# on him, wasn't he?

If he and brother dear had turned up anything, they should've gone to LE not nat'l. tv.

I've got to get back to my nastygram to the heartless Grrraldo and his chump brother--and all of the sponsors. For shame  :smt013  :gaah:...

Foggy


I have wondered that myself, but it would certainly be a dangerous item to out someone an Nat'l Tv..


I have to say that if I was the bio mom and have been standing around for almost 2 weeks waiting for everyone to get their story straight I'd be pizzed off, and may very well use the media to try and draw attention to these to make someone break.......But, that's just me....I'd be fed up with all the inconsistencies, rumors, double talk etc.

I'd be livid!  I noticed that the bio mom sounded stronger tonight...made me wonder if she hasn't just about had her fill...she seems to have a respect to the huge anger of Ron's, but she had started to state more definately things that have happened in the past



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 12:02:16 AM
I appreciate what everyone's saying and I'm with ya'.  But what I found most stunning (and potentially dangerous) was freaking Grrraldo attempting to out RC as a police informant.  Is he crazy?  That is the height of irresponsibility and could get someone killed.  And where does he get off standing in RC's face like that?  What a first class jerk.  He was begging for RC to open a can of whoop a*# on him, wasn't he?

If he and brother dear had turned up anything, they should've gone to LE not nat'l. tv.

I've got to get back to my nastygram to the heartless Grrraldo and his chump brother--and all of the sponsors. For shame  :smt013  :gaah:...

Foggy


I have wondered that myself, but it would certainly be a dangerous item to out someone an Nat'l Tv..


I have to say that if I was the bio mom and have been standing around for almost 2 weeks waiting for everyone to get their story straight I'd be pizzed off, and may very well use the media to try and draw attention to these to make someone break.......But, that's just me....I'd be fed up with all the inconsistencies, rumors, double talk etc.

If I was the bio mom I would of beat the sh...t out of Misty to get some clear answers.. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Puzzler on February 22, 2009, 12:03:53 AM
Neither family is perfect that's a fact.  Both Ronald and Crystal have both done drugs.  WHERE IS HALEIGH and do any of them, Ronald, Misty, Crystal have anything to do with Haleigh missing. 

Geraldo needs to go home.

Klaas~maybe you'd remember this, but wasn't RC on the search twith TES when he mentioned to either TM or someone with TES that he was afraid it was retribution or retaliation fromsomething he'd done. It's in these threads, I just wondered if you remeber where?

TIA

I don't remember, sorry.

I think when Ron throw out there about the idea of retaliation is nothing but hogwash.. Their throwing out alibies him and Misty to take the investagation away from them..Ron should of been sent to anger management a long time ago.. In my oppinion he should not have custody of the children and I be worried about the other child Jr. When the 911 call came in Ron in the background all ready started saying about who ever took her and hes got a gun and will kill him raised a red flag to me.. I think the 911 call was staged.. His fake cries and Misty's trying to make herself cry and all their inconsistencies.. It makes you wonder what really did happen that evening...I would like to know if Ron had a life insurance policy on Haleigh.. ::MonkeyTongue::
Yes jerseygirl, I think the anger issue is HUGE.  I would like to hear from some people he works with.

I would like to know if LE talked to the other minor he got pregnant ... ::MonkeyTongue::
Good call....When was that?

I dont know Dottie but apparently I read he has another child with a minor- a boy.. ::MonkeyTongue::

Ron has a one y.o. son by another woman who was 17 when she got pregnant.
Haleigh's bio mom was 17 when she got pregnant.
Misty is 17 now.
Ron is 25.  Ron's got three children (2 sons, 1 daughter) that I've heard about so far.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 22, 2009, 12:05:15 AM
Has LE told us anyone "passed" a lie-detector test?

Has LE told us anyone has been "cleared" in this case?



I've only read that the cousin in TN is not a suspect. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Puzzler on February 22, 2009, 12:06:02 AM
Earlier tonight, on the promo for Geraldo's show at 10 pm, the question was asked why Ron was coming home after 3 am.  Did he work shifts that ended at 3 am? Why?  No one answered Geraldo.  ??



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 12:06:14 AM
I appreciate what everyone's saying and I'm with ya'.  But what I found most stunning (and potentially dangerous) was freaking Grrraldo attempting to out RC as a police informant.  Is he crazy?  That is the height of irresponsibility and could get someone killed.  And where does he get off standing in RC's face like that?  What a first class jerk.  He was begging for RC to open a can of whoop a*# on him, wasn't he?

If he and brother dear had turned up anything, they should've gone to LE not nat'l. tv.

I've got to get back to my nastygram to the heartless Grrraldo and his chump brother--and all of the sponsors. For shame  :smt013  :gaah:...

Foggy


I have wondered that myself, but it would certainly be a dangerous item to out someone an Nat'l Tv..


I have to say that if I was the bio mom and have been standing around for almost 2 weeks waiting for everyone to get their story straight I'd be pizzed off, and may very well use the media to try and draw attention to these to make someone break.......But, that's just me....I'd be fed up with all the inconsistencies, rumors, double talk etc.

If I was the bio mom I would of beat the sh...t out of Misty to get some clear answers.. ::MonkeyTongue::

Love the way you put it out there!!!!! I'd have been in her face the first day, but I think she IS terrified of Ron, her and Misty and probably Amber too ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Puzzler on February 22, 2009, 12:06:40 AM
Has LE told us anyone "passed" a lie-detector test?

Has LE told us anyone has been "cleared" in this case?



I've only read that the cousin in TN is not a suspect. 

Klaas, thank you.  That is the only instance I've heard of, too.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: BluesyGram on February 22, 2009, 12:09:43 AM
Wonder how much Crystal and her mom were paid for "licencing fees" to show that picture on Whoraldo?

That interview looked 'bought and paid for' IMO.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: janetruth on February 22, 2009, 12:10:02 AM
Neither family is perfect that's a fact.  Both Ronald and Crystal have both done drugs.  WHERE IS HALEIGH and do any of them, Ronald, Misty, Crystal have anything to do with Haleigh missing. 

Geraldo needs to go home.

Klaas~maybe you'd remember this, but wasn't RC on the search twith TES when he mentioned to either TM or someone with TES that he was afraid it was retribution or retaliation fromsomething he'd done. It's in these threads, I just wondered if you remeber where?

TIA

I don't remember, sorry.

I think when Ron throw out there about the idea of retaliation is nothing but hogwash.. Their throwing out alibies him and Misty to take the investagation away from them..Ron should of been sent to anger management a long time ago.. In my oppinion he should not have custody of the children and I be worried about the other child Jr. When the 911 call came in Ron in the background all ready started saying about who ever took her and hes got a gun and will kill him raised a red flag to me.. I think the 911 call was staged.. His fake cries and Misty's trying to make herself cry and all their inconsistencies.. It makes you wonder what really did happen that evening...I would like to know if Ron had a life insurance policy on Haleigh.. ::MonkeyTongue::
Yes jerseygirl, I think the anger issue is HUGE.  I would like to hear from some people he works with.

I would bet money that he is very much Mr Nice Guy at work.  I bet he saves it up for his family when he gets home.  I have such mixed feelings toward this family.  Both his current girlfriend and his ex seem to be scared of him.  Pretty much downtrodden.

I think most of us, here and now, would be out of there the first time he called us a stupid b*tch.  But some of us have got sucked into that sort of relationship in our foolish youth. 

I hope this mess causes him to get his act together, and get help.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 22, 2009, 12:10:07 AM
Earlier tonight, on the promo for Geraldo's show at 10 pm, the question was asked why Ron was coming home after 3 am.  Did he work shifts that ended at 3 am? Why?  No one answered Geraldo.  ??



theres no evidence he did, just speculation.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 12:10:53 AM
I appreciate what everyone's saying and I'm with ya'.  But what I found most stunning (and potentially dangerous) was freaking Grrraldo attempting to out RC as a police informant.  Is he crazy?  That is the height of irresponsibility and could get someone killed.  And where does he get off standing in RC's face like that?  What a first class jerk.  He was begging for RC to open a can of whoop a*# on him, wasn't he?

If he and brother dear had turned up anything, they should've gone to LE not nat'l. tv.

I've got to get back to my nastygram to the heartless Grrraldo and his chump brother--and all of the sponsors. For shame  :smt013  :gaah:...

Foggy


I have wondered that myself, but it would certainly be a dangerous item to out someone an Nat'l Tv..


I have to say that if I was the bio mom and have been standing around for almost 2 weeks waiting for everyone to get their story straight I'd be pizzed off, and may very well use the media to try and draw attention to these to make someone break.......But, that's just me....I'd be fed up with all the inconsistencies, rumors, double talk etc.

If I was the bio mom I would of beat the sh...t out of Misty to get some clear answers.. ::MonkeyTongue::

Love the way you put it out there!!!!! I'd have been in her face the first day, but I think she IS terrified of Ron, her and Misty and probably Amber too ::MonkeyConfused::

ITA- Crystal tip toeing around Ron.. Misty I guess she believes what Ron's say she is a dumb bit..ch... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 22, 2009, 12:11:29 AM
Wonder how much Crystal and her mom were paid for "licencing fees" to show that picture on Whoraldo?

That interview looked 'bought and paid for' IMO.




ita. right down to the gratuitous hugs.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 22, 2009, 12:12:59 AM
Neither family is perfect that's a fact.  Both Ronald and Crystal have both done drugs.  WHERE IS HALEIGH and do any of them, Ronald, Misty, Crystal have anything to do with Haleigh missing. 

Geraldo needs to go home.

Klaas~maybe you'd remember this, but wasn't RC on the search twith TES when he mentioned to either TM or someone with TES that he was afraid it was retribution or retaliation fromsomething he'd done. It's in these threads, I just wondered if you remeber where?

TIA

I don't remember, sorry.

I think when Ron throw out there about the idea of retaliation is nothing but hogwash.. Their throwing out alibies him and Misty to take the investagation away from them..Ron should of been sent to anger management a long time ago.. In my oppinion he should not have custody of the children and I be worried about the other child Jr. When the 911 call came in Ron in the background all ready started saying about who ever took her and hes got a gun and will kill him raised a red flag to me.. I think the 911 call was staged.. His fake cries and Misty's trying to make herself cry and all their inconsistencies.. It makes you wonder what really did happen that evening...I would like to know if Ron had a life insurance policy on Haleigh.. ::MonkeyTongue::

IMO it was odd for Ron to tell Misty to call 911.



ITA with ya...Its Ron's daughter and Misty was not the one that should of made that call. ::MonkeyTongue::


I'm sorry, but I understand him telling her to make the call. Too bad she was so slow on the uptake.  :smt013   RC (iirc) was out hollering for his daughter/flipping out.  I would have done 'zackly the same thing--someone else call, I'm gonna go hunt for my child

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 22, 2009, 12:17:40 AM
Earlier tonight, on the promo for Geraldo's show at 10 pm, the question was asked why Ron was coming home after 3 am.  Did he work shifts that ended at 3 am? Why?  No one answered Geraldo.  ??



theres no evidence he did, just speculation.
His mother mentioned one night that he had only been on that shift for 5 weeks.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 12:18:14 AM
Neither family is perfect that's a fact.  Both Ronald and Crystal have both done drugs.  WHERE IS HALEIGH and do any of them, Ronald, Misty, Crystal have anything to do with Haleigh missing. 

Geraldo needs to go home.

Klaas~maybe you'd remember this, but wasn't RC on the search twith TES when he mentioned to either TM or someone with TES that he was afraid it was retribution or retaliation fromsomething he'd done. It's in these threads, I just wondered if you remeber where?

TIA

I don't remember, sorry.

I think when Ron throw out there about the idea of retaliation is nothing but hogwash.. Their throwing out alibies him and Misty to take the investagation away from them..Ron should of been sent to anger management a long time ago.. In my oppinion he should not have custody of the children and I be worried about the other child Jr. When the 911 call came in Ron in the background all ready started saying about who ever took her and hes got a gun and will kill him raised a red flag to me.. I think the 911 call was staged.. His fake cries and Misty's trying to make herself cry and all their inconsistencies.. It makes you wonder what really did happen that evening...I would like to know if Ron had a life insurance policy on Haleigh.. ::MonkeyTongue::

IMO it was odd for Ron to tell Misty to call 911.



ITA with ya...Its Ron's daughter and Misty was not the one that should of made that call. ::MonkeyTongue::


I'm sorry, but I understand him telling her to make the call. Too bad she was so slow on the uptake.  :smt013   RC (iirc) was out hollering for his daughter/flipping out.  I would have done 'zackly the same thing--someone else call, I'm gonna go hunt for my child

Foggy


My question is why would he have to tell her to call 911- Misty waited 30 minutes before calling 911. Every minute counts when a child is missing.. Who knows when Haleigh went missing?? I think the 911 call was staged ahead of time...IMO... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 12:21:12 AM
Neither family is perfect that's a fact.  Both Ronald and Crystal have both done drugs.  WHERE IS HALEIGH and do any of them, Ronald, Misty, Crystal have anything to do with Haleigh missing. 

Geraldo needs to go home.

Klaas~maybe you'd remember this, but wasn't RC on the search twith TES when he mentioned to either TM or someone with TES that he was afraid it was retribution or retaliation fromsomething he'd done. It's in these threads, I just wondered if you remeber where?

TIA

I don't remember, sorry.

I think when Ron throw out there about the idea of retaliation is nothing but hogwash.. Their throwing out alibies him and Misty to take the investagation away from them..Ron should of been sent to anger management a long time ago.. In my oppinion he should not have custody of the children and I be worried about the other child Jr. When the 911 call came in Ron in the background all ready started saying about who ever took her and hes got a gun and will kill him raised a red flag to me.. I think the 911 call was staged.. His fake cries and Misty's trying to make herself cry and all their inconsistencies.. It makes you wonder what really did happen that evening...I would like to know if Ron had a life insurance policy on Haleigh.. ::MonkeyTongue::

IMO it was odd for Ron to tell Misty to call 911.



ITA with ya...Its Ron's daughter and Misty was not the one that should of made that call. ::MonkeyTongue::


I'm sorry, but I understand him telling her to make the call. Too bad she was so slow on the uptake.  :smt013   RC (iirc) was out hollering for his daughter/flipping out.  I would have done 'zackly the same thing--someone else call, I'm gonna go hunt for my child

Foggy


My question is why would he have to tell her to call 911- Misty waited 30 minutes before calling 911. Every minute counts when a child is missing.. Who knows when Haleigh went missing?? I think the 911 call was staged ahead of time...IMO... ::MonkeyTongue::

I agree, we don't really KNOW when she "disappeared" and getting a true timeline is key IMO, way too many hours unaccounted for.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 22, 2009, 12:22:17 AM
I appreciate what everyone's saying and I'm with ya'.  But what I found most stunning (and potentially dangerous) was freaking Grrraldo attempting to out RC as a police informant.   Is he crazy?  That is the height of irresponsibility and could get someone killed.  And where does he get off standing in RC's face like that?  What a first class jerk.  He was begging for RC to open a can of whoop a*# on him, wasn't he?

If he and brother dear had turned up anything, they should've gone to LE not nat'l. tv.

I've got to get back to my nastygram to the heartless Grrraldo and his chump brother--and all of the sponsors. For shame  :smt013  :gaah:...

Foggy

I agree, Where did that come from?  Has it been mentioned?


Dottie, Grrraldo put that out there while he was in RC's face.  I would have called him a dumb blankety-blank and to brace himself for a lawsuit.  I've never punched anyone out (despite an almost overwhelming desire to do so a time or two  :smt018).  Tonight I wanted to pummel Grrraldo, that opportunistic vulture...

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 22, 2009, 12:22:36 AM
Earlier tonight, on the promo for Geraldo's show at 10 pm, the question was asked why Ron was coming home after 3 am.  Did he work shifts that ended at 3 am? Why?  No one answered Geraldo.  ??



theres no evidence he did, just speculation.
His mother mentioned one night that he had only been on that shift for 5 weeks.

ack, i misread you dottie, im sorry! i thought it said why did he come home during work, as what was theorized earlier.

ya, i dont know when he started the 3pm-3am shift, or why.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 12:23:48 AM
Neither family is perfect that's a fact.  Both Ronald and Crystal have both done drugs.  WHERE IS HALEIGH and do any of them, Ronald, Misty, Crystal have anything to do with Haleigh missing. 

Geraldo needs to go home.

Klaas~maybe you'd remember this, but wasn't RC on the search twith TES when he mentioned to either TM or someone with TES that he was afraid it was retribution or retaliation fromsomething he'd done. It's in these threads, I just wondered if you remeber where?

TIA

I don't remember, sorry.

I think when Ron throw out there about the idea of retaliation is nothing but hogwash.. Their throwing out alibies him and Misty to take the investagation away from them..Ron should of been sent to anger management a long time ago.. In my oppinion he should not have custody of the children and I be worried about the other child Jr. When the 911 call came in Ron in the background all ready started saying about who ever took her and hes got a gun and will kill him raised a red flag to me.. I think the 911 call was staged.. His fake cries and Misty's trying to make herself cry and all their inconsistencies.. It makes you wonder what really did happen that evening...I would like to know if Ron had a life insurance policy on Haleigh.. ::MonkeyTongue::

IMO it was odd for Ron to tell Misty to call 911.



ITA with ya...Its Ron's daughter and Misty was not the one that should of made that call. ::MonkeyTongue::


I'm sorry, but I understand him telling her to make the call. Too bad she was so slow on the uptake.  :smt013   RC (iirc) was out hollering for his daughter/flipping out.  I would have done 'zackly the same thing--someone else call, I'm gonna go hunt for my child

Foggy


But Ron wasnt looking for Haleigh when Misty called 911 he was hee hawing and cusing not asking any questions to Misty like what happen...Misty didnt even know Haleigh birth date- height or weight when asked... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 22, 2009, 12:24:34 AM
I appreciate what everyone's saying and I'm with ya'.  But what I found most stunning (and potentially dangerous) was freaking Grrraldo attempting to out RC as a police informant.   Is he crazy?  That is the height of irresponsibility and could get someone killed.  And where does he get off standing in RC's face like that?  What a first class jerk.  He was begging for RC to open a can of whoop a*# on him, wasn't he?

If he and brother dear had turned up anything, they should've gone to LE not nat'l. tv.

I've got to get back to my nastygram to the heartless Grrraldo and his chump brother--and all of the sponsors. For shame  :smt013  :gaah:...

Foggy

I agree, Where did that come from?  Has it been mentioned?


Dottie, Grrraldo put that out there while he was in RC's face.  I would have called him a dumb blankety-blank and to brace himself for a lawsuit.  I've never punched anyone out (despite an almost overwhelming desire to do so a time or two  :smt018).  Tonight I wanted to pound Grrraldo, that opportunistic vulture...

Foggy



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 22, 2009, 12:28:43 AM
I appreciate what everyone's saying and I'm with ya'.  But what I found most stunning (and potentially dangerous) was freaking Grrraldo attempting to out RC as a police informant.   Is he crazy?  That is the height of irresponsibility and could get someone killed.  And where does he get off standing in RC's face like that?  What a first class jerk.  He was begging for RC to open a can of whoop a*# on him, wasn't he?

If he and brother dear had turned up anything, they should've gone to LE not nat'l. tv.

I've got to get back to my nastygram to the heartless Grrraldo and his chump brother--and all of the sponsors. For shame  :smt013  :gaah:...

Foggy

I agree, Where did that come from?  Has it been mentioned?


Dottie, Grrraldo put that out there while he was in RC's face.  I would have called him a dumb blankety-blank and to brace himself for a lawsuit.  I've never punched anyone out (despite an almost overwhelming desire to do so a time or two  :smt018).  Tonight I wanted to pummel Grrraldo, that opportunistic vulture...

Foggy

I heard him ask that on the show but I was wondering if it had been mentioned anywhere else.  Odd question to come up with out of the blue. Yes, he was a dumbazz for asking it.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 12:32:03 AM
I appreciate what everyone's saying and I'm with ya'.  But what I found most stunning (and potentially dangerous) was freaking Grrraldo attempting to out RC as a police informant.   Is he crazy?  That is the height of irresponsibility and could get someone killed.  And where does he get off standing in RC's face like that?  What a first class jerk.  He was begging for RC to open a can of whoop a*# on him, wasn't he?

If he and brother dear had turned up anything, they should've gone to LE not nat'l. tv.

I've got to get back to my nastygram to the heartless Grrraldo and his chump brother--and all of the sponsors. For shame  :smt013  :gaah:...

Foggy

I agree, Where did that come from?  Has it been mentioned?


Dottie, Grrraldo put that out there while he was in RC's face.  I would have called him a dumb blankety-blank and to brace himself for a lawsuit.  I've never punched anyone out (despite an almost overwhelming desire to do so a time or two  :smt018).  Tonight I wanted to pummel Grrraldo, that opportunistic vulture...

Foggy

I heard him ask that on the show but I was wondering if it had been mentioned anywhere else.  Odd question to come up with out of the blue. Yes, he was a dumbazz for asking it.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

It's been a "theory" out there for awhile, many includingmyself have considered this when you see his rap sheet and then getting slaps on the wrist for everything.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 22, 2009, 12:34:06 AM
I appreciate what everyone's saying and I'm with ya'.  But what I found most stunning (and potentially dangerous) was freaking Grrraldo attempting to out RC as a police informant.   Is he crazy?  That is the height of irresponsibility and could get someone killed.  And where does he get off standing in RC's face like that?  What a first class jerk.  He was begging for RC to open a can of whoop a*# on him, wasn't he?

If he and brother dear had turned up anything, they should've gone to LE not nat'l. tv.

I've got to get back to my nastygram to the heartless Grrraldo and his chump brother--and all of the sponsors. For shame  :smt013  :gaah:...

Foggy

I agree, Where did that come from?  Has it been mentioned?


Dottie, Grrraldo put that out there while he was in RC's face.  I would have called him a dumb blankety-blank and to brace himself for a lawsuit.  I've never punched anyone out (despite an almost overwhelming desire to do so a time or two  :smt018).  Tonight I wanted to pummel Grrraldo, that opportunistic vulture...

Foggy

I heard him ask that on the show but I was wondering if it had been mentioned anywhere else.  Odd question to come up with out of the blue. Yes, he was a dumbazz for asking it.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

It's been a "theory" out there for awhile, many includingmyself have considered this when you see his rap sheet and then getting slaps on the wrist for everything.
Does make you wonder... ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 22, 2009, 12:34:52 AM
Sorry for the double replies. 

The 17 y/o didn't call 911 because she isn't playing w/a full deck and/or had something to hide.  And I may be wrong, but I thought it was reported that indeed he was outside calling for his child--but certainly was outside waiting for LE.  I think it is evident that RC was torqued 'cause the girl hadn't already called 911.  But I'll allow that I may not have total recall of those events surrounding the call to 911. 

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 12:36:47 AM
I appreciate what everyone's saying and I'm with ya'.  But what I found most stunning (and potentially dangerous) was freaking Grrraldo attempting to out RC as a police informant.   Is he crazy?  That is the height of irresponsibility and could get someone killed.  And where does he get off standing in RC's face like that?  What a first class jerk.  He was begging for RC to open a can of whoop a*# on him, wasn't he?

If he and brother dear had turned up anything, they should've gone to LE not nat'l. tv.

I've got to get back to my nastygram to the heartless Grrraldo and his chump brother--and all of the sponsors. For shame  :smt013  :gaah:...

Foggy

I agree, Where did that come from?  Has it been mentioned?


Dottie, Grrraldo put that out there while he was in RC's face.  I would have called him a dumb blankety-blank and to brace himself for a lawsuit.  I've never punched anyone out (despite an almost overwhelming desire to do so a time or two  :smt018).  Tonight I wanted to pummel Grrraldo, that opportunistic vulture...

Foggy

I heard him ask that on the show but I was wondering if it had been mentioned anywhere else.  Odd question to come up with out of the blue. Yes, he was a dumbazz for asking it.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

It's been a "theory" out there for awhile, many includingmyself have considered this when you see his rap sheet and then getting slaps on the wrist for everything.
Does make you wonder... ::MonkeyRoll::

ITA all of the charges dismissed??? ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 22, 2009, 12:39:19 AM

It's been a "theory" out there for awhile, many includingmyself have considered this when you see his rap sheet and then getting slaps on the wrist for everything.

His mom works for the Sheriff's Office, right?   They protect their own, at least where I live.   I know a guy who repeatedly physically abused his wife and there were credible witnesses and proof; he also  stabbed a guy so many times he very nearly killed him .... I was sitting there when the persons involved were told directly to their face by the D.A. that the person would never see the inside of a jail cell even for a night, all because his dad was a sheriff's deputy.

He barely got the slap on the wrist in both cases, that was it. 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 12:43:48 AM

It's been a "theory" out there for awhile, many includingmyself have considered this when you see his rap sheet and then getting slaps on the wrist for everything.

His mom works for the Sheriff's Office, right?   They protect their own, at least where I live.   I know a guy who repeatedly physically abused his wife and there were credible witnesses and proof; he also  stabbed a guy so many times he very nearly killed him .... I was sitting there when the persons involved were told directly to their face by the D.A. that the person would never see the inside of a jail cell even for a night, all because his dad was a sheriff's deputy.

He barely got the slap on the wrist in both cases, that was it. 



Yes she does, IIRC she is a dispatcher......

I know of many cases where they protect there own also, not true in every case-but enough to give you pause and go hmmmmmm.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 12:48:51 AM

It's been a "theory" out there for awhile, many includingmyself have considered this when you see his rap sheet and then getting slaps on the wrist for everything.

His mom works for the Sheriff's Office, right?   They protect their own, at least where I live.   I know a guy who repeatedly physically abused his wife and there were credible witnesses and proof; he also  stabbed a guy so many times he very nearly killed him .... I was sitting there when the persons involved were told directly to their face by the D.A. that the person would never see the inside of a jail cell even for a night, all because his dad was a sheriff's deputy.

He barely got the slap on the wrist in both cases, that was it. 



Yes she does, IIRC she is a dispatcher......

I know of many cases where they protect there own also, not true in every case-but enough to give you pause and go hmmmmmm.

Hummmmmmm... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 22, 2009, 12:56:07 AM


Have they mentioned where Jr is staying?  Surely he is not staying in those tents with either one of those parents.  I guess Ron has a camper now to stay in but he shouldn't be in that atmosphere all day long.  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 12:59:51 AM


Have they mentioned where Jr is staying?  Surely he is not staying in those tents with either one of those parents.  I guess Ron has a camper now to stay in but he shouldn't be in that atmosphere all day long.  ::MonkeyWaa::

I don't know........but great points I've considered.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 22, 2009, 01:01:37 AM


Have they mentioned where Jr is staying?  Surely he is not staying in those tents with either one of those parents.  I guess Ron has a camper now to stay in but he shouldn't be in that atmosphere all day long.  ::MonkeyWaa::

I'm fairly sure I heard someone on HLN yesterday say that Jr. is staying with an extended family member nearby.  Didn't say which side of family.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 01:01:37 AM
 ::MonkeyWaa:: crap~I missed GR before (except the beginning) so now I'm forced to watch it again and pay better attention.......can someone get me a drink ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 01:03:16 AM


Have they mentioned where Jr is staying?  Surely he is not staying in those tents with either one of those parents.  I guess Ron has a camper now to stay in but he shouldn't be in that atmosphere all day long.  ::MonkeyWaa::

I'm fairly sure I heard someone on HLN yesterday say that Jr. is staying with an extended family member nearby.  Didn't say which side of family.

I guess anything is better than the tent and that enviroment.........


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 01:04:36 AM
::MonkeyWaa:: crap~I missed GR before (except the beginning) so now I'm forced to watch it again and pay better attention.......can someone get me a drink ::MonkeyTongue::

Good Nite Monkeys.. Maybe more tomorrow- God Bless Haleigh


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 22, 2009, 01:05:43 AM


Have they mentioned where Jr is staying?  Surely he is not staying in those tents with either one of those parents.  I guess Ron has a camper now to stay in but he shouldn't be in that atmosphere all day long.  ::MonkeyWaa::


I've been wondering about the poor little guy too.  Even if he had a perfect four years, can you imagine the confusion he's feeling now what w/all the chaos, all the strangers who are so tall all around, the tents and on and on.  I wish I couldn't imagine how life looks through his eyes...sort of.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 01:07:17 AM
::MonkeyWaa:: crap~I missed GR before (except the beginning) so now I'm forced to watch it again and pay better attention.......can someone get me a drink ::MonkeyTongue::

Good Nite Monkeys.. Maybe more tomorrow- God Bless Haleigh

Night Jerseygirl....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 01:14:13 AM
 ::MonkeyEek:: OMG~I am rewatching GR, and watchig RC's body language, etc remind me of my brother when he's drunk or on drugs (which is more often than not) and exactly why he is NEVER allowed around my kids.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 01:15:19 AM
::MonkeyEek:: OMG~I am rewatching GR, and watchig RC's body language, etc remind me of my brother when he's drunk or on drugs (which is more often than not) and exactly why he is NEVER allowed around my kids.

sorry hit post too soon...one moment defiant, the next weepy ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: janetruth on February 22, 2009, 01:18:21 AM
::MonkeyEek:: OMG~I am rewatching GR, and watchig RC's body language, etc remind me of my brother when he's drunk or on drugs (which is more often than not) and exactly why he is NEVER allowed around my kids.

Yep.  And Geraldo is deliberately antagonistic.  The family members are afraid that Ron is going to go off on Geraldo.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 01:22:43 AM
::MonkeyEek:: OMG~I am rewatching GR, and watchig RC's body language, etc remind me of my brother when he's drunk or on drugs (which is more often than not) and exactly why he is NEVER allowed around my kids.

Yep.  And Geraldo is deliberately antagonistic.  The family members are afraid that Ron is going to go off on Geraldo.

Agreed on both points...

Although this was a media stunt, if it causes someone to break, it will be worth it to find Haleigh, at least IMO


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 22, 2009, 01:40:56 AM
First of all I dont agree with Geraldo being in Satsuma at all, this is a family in enough stress over their child missing without all the Drama that Geraldo was there to drum up.  This family is grieving the loss of their child and regardless of what took place in the past,   Haleigh should be the number 1 concern right now. Geraldo should be ashamed of him self for going there and stirring up trouble when they clearly already have enough to deal with, if there is anything in either of these people's past you can be sure LE will find it, they dont need Geraldo there looking for a way to make money off someone elses tragedy!
   If something was to ever happen in my family ( and I pray it never will) I would make sure Geraldo was banned from coming to my town if I had to lie to get it done!  This is what LE is trying to prevent by staying so close mouthed about this investigation, they are trying to keep it from turning into some kind of media circus, but Geraldo just cant abide by their wishes and leave it alone for the proffessional Investigators to take care of..................I would like to slap the crap out of him myself and if Ronald had done it, I would have been the first to give him a high five!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: janetruth on February 22, 2009, 01:44:36 AM
::MonkeyEek:: OMG~I am rewatching GR, and watchig RC's body language, etc remind me of my brother when he's drunk or on drugs (which is more often than not) and exactly why he is NEVER allowed around my kids.

Yep.  And Geraldo is deliberately antagonistic.  The family members are afraid that Ron is going to go off on Geraldo.

Agreed on both points...

Although this was a media stunt, if it causes someone to break, it will be worth it to find Haleigh, at least IMO

True.  I have a sneaking sympathy for these families, though.  they have never been on TV, and never in a million years ever thought they would.  I think a lot of the body language that we are interpreting as lying might be due to extreme nerves.  If you've never done any sort of public speaking, looking into a camera and knowing millions are watching is absolutely terrifying.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: janetruth on February 22, 2009, 01:46:58 AM
First of all I dont agree with Geraldo being in Satsuma at all, this is a family in enough stress over their child missing without all the Drama that Geraldo was there to drum up.  This family is grieving the loss of their child and regardless of what took place in the past,   Haleigh should be the number 1 concern right now. Geraldo should be ashamed of him self for going there and stirring up trouble when they clearly already have enough to deal with, if there is anything in either of these people's past you can be sure LE will find it, they dont need Geraldo there looking for a way to make money off someone elses tragedy!
   If something was to ever happen in my family ( and I pray it never will) I would make sure Geraldo was banned from coming to my town if I had to lie to get it done!  This is what LE is trying to prevent by staying so close mouthed about this investigation, they are trying to keep it from turning into some kind of media circus, but Geraldo just cant abide by their wishes and leave it alone for the proffessional Investigators to take care of..................I would like to slap the crap out of him myself and if Ronald had done it, I would have been the first to give him a high five!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have wanted to slap Geraldo for many years, and always find his antics to be ill-considered.

I think it would have been better for the families if he had stayed away.  Still, as IM says, maybe something good will come out of it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: janetruth on February 22, 2009, 01:52:00 AM
Goodnight, y'all...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 22, 2009, 01:55:13 AM
Oh my, I am watching a repeat of Grrraldo.  I've become more irked (if I thought it was possible).

I fastened on the mom this time around.  Her story re. the alleged incident re. him smacking her upside the head/then kicking her off the bed doesn't make sense to me.  It struck me the 1st time through that something didn't follow, 2nd time around I was convinced of my original impression. 

 :smt100 Pay esp. attn to how she decribes the scene in the bedroom. 

I think the bereft mom is embellishing things on the fly. 

In the backround, there's a boy in camo jacket/basefall cap.  He's almost beside himself.  Any id on him?

Abuse in any form makes me sick.  It takes me scarily close to rage. 

I take everything I hear/read w/a grain of salt.  And I'm not gonna throw in w/folks who think he was abusing the wee one--well, not based on what I consider circumstantial hooey Rivera put out there.

I only want to hear from LE...and Tim Miller for he spent some quality time w/RC while searching for Miss Haleigh, something the Ants did from the comfort of their air conditioned vehicles.  :gaah:

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 22, 2009, 02:12:45 AM
First of all I dont agree with Geraldo being in Satsuma at all, this is a family in enough stress over their child missing without all the Drama that Geraldo was there to drum up.  This family is grieving the loss of their child and regardless of what took place in the past,   Haleigh should be the number 1 concern right now. Geraldo should be ashamed of him self for going there and stirring up trouble when they clearly already have enough to deal with, if there is anything in either of these people's past you can be sure LE will find it, they dont need Geraldo there looking for a way to make money off someone elses tragedy!
   If something was to ever happen in my family ( and I pray it never will) I would make sure Geraldo was banned from coming to my town if I had to lie to get it done!  This is what LE is trying to prevent by staying so close mouthed about this investigation, they are trying to keep it from turning into some kind of media circus, but Geraldo just cant abide by their wishes and leave it alone for the proffessional Investigators to take care of..................I would like to slap the crap out of him myself and if Ronald had done it, I would have been the first to give him a high five!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have wanted to slap Geraldo for many years, and always find his antics to be ill-considered.

I think it would have been better for the families if he had stayed away.  Still, as IM says, maybe something good will come out of it.
I doubt anything Good will come out of it, all this did was cause a bigger rift between the two families at a time when they needed to stay together and leave all drama behind for the time being so they could consentrate on finding Haleigh,  now insteAD OF BEING ABLE TO FOCUS ON THAT, they are also gonna feel ill at ease when ever their paths cross or they have to be in the same room together or it comes time for the visitation of Jr.......Geraldo, has done NO good here!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 22, 2009, 02:14:25 AM
Oh my, I am watching a repeat of Grrraldo.  I've become more irked (if I thought it was possible).

I fastened on the mom this time around.  Her story re. the alleged incident re. him smacking her upside the head/then kicking her off the bed doesn't make sense to me.  It struck me the 1st time through that something didn't follow, 2nd time around I was convinced of my original impression. 

 :smt100 Pay esp. attn to how she decribes the scene in the bedroom. 

I think the bereft mom is embellishing things on the fly. 

In the backround, there's a boy in camo jacket/basefall cap.  He's almost beside himself.  Any id on him?

Abuse in any form makes me sick.  It takes me scarily close to rage. 

I take everything I hear/read w/a grain of salt.  And I'm not gonna throw in w/folks who think he was abusing the wee one--well, not based on what I consider circumstantial hooey Rivera put out there.

I only want to hear from LE...and Tim Miller for he spent some quality time w/RC while searching for Miss Haleigh, something the Ants did from the comfort of their air conditioned vehicles.  :gaah:

Foggy



P.S.  My last sentence above should read, "...something the Ants did from the comfort of their air-conditioned vehicles when they searched for Miss Caylee." [/i]


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 22, 2009, 03:00:25 AM
First of all I dont agree with Geraldo being in Satsuma at all, this is a family in enough stress over their child missing without all the Drama that Geraldo was there to drum up.  This family is grieving the loss of their child and regardless of what took place in the past,   Haleigh should be the number 1 concern right now. Geraldo should be ashamed of him self for going there and stirring up trouble when they clearly already have enough to deal with, if there is anything in either of these people's past you can be sure LE will find it, they dont need Geraldo there looking for a way to make money off someone elses tragedy!
   If something was to ever happen in my family ( and I pray it never will) I would make sure Geraldo was banned from coming to my town if I had to lie to get it done!  This is what LE is trying to prevent by staying so close mouthed about this investigation, they are trying to keep it from turning into some kind of media circus, but Geraldo just cant abide by their wishes and leave it alone for the proffessional Investigators to take care of..................I would like to slap the crap out of him myself and if Ronald had done it, I would have been the first to give him a high five!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have wanted to slap Geraldo for many years, and always find his antics to be ill-considered.

I think it would have been better for the families if he had stayed away.  Still, as IM says, maybe something good will come out of it.
I doubt anything Good will come out of it, all this did was cause a bigger rift between the two families at a time when they needed to stay together and leave all drama behind for the time being so they could consentrate on finding Haleigh,  now insteAD OF BEING ABLE TO FOCUS ON THAT, they are also gonna feel ill at ease when ever their paths cross or they have to be in the same room together or it comes time for the visitation of Jr.......Geraldo, has done NO good here!


Well said, HH.  Imho, he's done great harm and impeded progress on this case by introducing distractions that may well impact the dad's ability to garner empathy/sympathy.  A consequence of that'd be fewer folks might come out to help them. 

Myself, I would have rather have seen Rivera out beating the bushes to the local SOs rather than attempting to fry RC (the dad) by implication and innuendo. 

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Cappuccino on February 22, 2009, 03:53:32 AM
::MonkeyTongue::  Ok~was it just ME or did anyone else find it odd that he stated "we had an agreement and she would get spankings, just like DCS says is proper" Geez, I never have once hadto consult DCS in the discipline of my children and that he even raised that point is a red flag to me.....WHY?
YES, quite an odd statement...I don't know if he had anything to do with Hayleigh's missing or not but he lied about drug use, I think he lied about the fight with the gun, I think he lied about abusing Crystal and then there is the 911 call.....remember the way he talked to Misty...that was not the first time he had talked to her that way......just saying

Id like to know if Crystal and her family called Child Services at any time as well, if Child Services was called to that house why & what were the circumstances that brought them there?  I'd like to find out before I speculate that aspect further.

Ron's temper is quite possibly an issue, he dates uneducated, naive 17 year olds because that is where his mentality stopped growing himself (well actually thats insultive to many teens far advanced at 17-lets say his mentality is very immaturely stunted), Ill agree with that.  It does appear by statements he made to Misty in anger & incredible shock that he might be verbally abusive BUT we have no proof that he was physically abusive with anyone to date.  I may have not used that defaming language but I would have been rip roaring pissed if someone was irresponsible in some manner that caused my child to be missing-what he was saying upon getting this news was he found it hard to believe someone just broke into the house under her nose & she didnt hear a thing, millions are wondering the same thing so he's no different for thinking it.   If couples leave their young children with teen babysitters, why is it a question that he left his children in an almost adult aged teen's care in this case?    If he knew she was not capable of caring for his children responsibly, that is an entirely different issue.   He got frustrated with Misty on Greta too because she just couldnt form one sentence together & seemed far off in the distance when Greta was asking her a direct simple question BUT truthfully I found it frustrating just watching her gaze into thin air.  It might very well be that he is often verbally abusive but I cannot stretch to say there is physical abuse of women or children based on what we know so far nor will I personally speculate on that until I see something more concrete - not just allegations made by a bitter party such as an ex-wife/girlfriend that has had a sorted past herself, enough that she lost custody of her children over.   Don't forget in most custody cases there are not only legal considerations but psychological testing, evaluations of all family members are conducted with experts making their findings known & what their recommendations are.  There are a few minor cases on average where judges get it wrong, but generally they dont...just saying.     Years later who is more suited to have custody presently, that very well might be an issue.
Meant to say, I'll let Islandmonkey handle that one.  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: LMAO~already have over and over ::MonkeyWink::
::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hold up, is this what you two do to fellow posters that may not agree with you...tag team & then laugh openly in a very rude manner?   First off, I stated clearly I did not see any proof YET that Crystal lost custody unwarrantly but her father did admit she lost custody due to her ongoing drug addiction & she didnt take Haleigh to see her doctor ...you provided a link for the custody hearing but the .pdf upon several attempts locked up and would not open, had I read it and found any merit to what you two think I would have stated so with no reservations & if I didnt find merit to what you were saying I would comment WITHOUT LAUGHING IN MOCKERY.  Geraldo going there to be confrontational & sensationalizing did NOTHING constructive, what it did do for the sake of his reduced to weekend's only show ratings was ruin work investigators have been doing between these two families because you can rest assure they are at family war right now between tents while Geraldo went back home to crawl in his Hudson River cushy home bed!    And what was that ridiculous question about Ron working as an undercover cop, that is  just as insane as him drawing a line in the sand in Iraq!  I dont think he cares if people get killed over his actions, shameful!   He played an angle IN ADVANCE with Crystal & her family to purposely cause that confrontation with Ron, it was an orchestrated set up for drama!  Even his guest attorneys politely told him how he brooched tonight's confrontation might be reckless.   Secondly, I have a significant amount of experience & knowledge both in my career as well as personal experience so don't easily dismiss what Im observing is automatically incorrect or baseless just because you have formulated an opinion...in the end I dont think Haleigh cares who is right or wrong about her parents right now.

If someone can provide a working link to the custody documents, please do so & I'll review it with an open mind - in the meantime you two might want to lighten up just how quickly & easily you want to insult other monkeys.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 22, 2009, 06:10:14 AM
::MonkeyTongue::  Ok~was it just ME or did anyone else find it odd that he stated "we had an agreement and she would get spankings, just like DCS says is proper" Geez, I never have once hadto consult DCS in the discipline of my children and that he even raised that point is a red flag to me.....WHY?
YES, quite an odd statement...I don't know if he had anything to do with Hayleigh's missing or not but he lied about drug use, I think he lied about the fight with the gun, I think he lied about abusing Crystal and then there is the 911 call.....remember the way he talked to Misty...that was not the first time he had talked to her that way......just saying

Id like to know if Crystal and her family called Child Services at any time as well, if Child Services was called to that house why & what were the circumstances that brought them there?  I'd like to find out before I speculate that aspect further.

Ron's temper is quite possibly an issue, he dates uneducated, naive 17 year olds because that is where his mentality stopped growing himself (well actually thats insultive to many teens far advanced at 17-lets say his mentality is very immaturely stunted), Ill agree with that.  It does appear by statements he made to Misty in anger & incredible shock that he might be verbally abusive BUT we have no proof that he was physically abusive with anyone to date.  I may have not used that defaming language but I would have been rip roaring pissed if someone was irresponsible in some manner that caused my child to be missing-what he was saying upon getting this news was he found it hard to believe someone just broke into the house under her nose & she didnt hear a thing, millions are wondering the same thing so he's no different for thinking it.   If couples leave their young children with teen babysitters, why is it a question that he left his children in an almost adult aged teen's care in this case?    If he knew she was not capable of caring for his children responsibly, that is an entirely different issue.   He got frustrated with Misty on Greta too because she just couldnt form one sentence together & seemed far off in the distance when Greta was asking her a direct simple question BUT truthfully I found it frustrating just watching her gaze into thin air.  It might very well be that he is often verbally abusive but I cannot stretch to say there is physical abuse of women or children based on what we know so far nor will I personally speculate on that until I see something more concrete - not just allegations made by a bitter party such as an ex-wife/girlfriend that has had a sorted past herself, enough that she lost custody of her children over.   Don't forget in most custody cases there are not only legal considerations but psychological testing, evaluations of all family members are conducted with experts making their findings known & what their recommendations are.  There are a few minor cases on average where judges get it wrong, but generally they dont...just saying.     Years later who is more suited to have custody presently, that very well might be an issue.
Meant to say, I'll let Islandmonkey handle that one.  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: LMAO~already have over and over ::MonkeyWink::
::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hold up, is this what you two do to fellow posters that may not agree with you...tag team & then laugh openly in a very rude manner?   First off, I stated clearly I did not see any proof YET that Crystal lost custody unwarrantly but her father did admit she lost custody due to her ongoing drug addiction & she didnt take Haleigh to see her doctor ...you provided a link for the custody hearing but the .pdf upon several attempts locked up and would not open, had I read it and found any merit to what you two think I would have stated so with no reservations & if I didnt find merit to what you were saying I would comment WITHOUT LAUGHING IN MOCKERY.  Geraldo going there to be confrontational & sensationalizing did NOTHING constructive, what it did do for the sake of his reduced to weekend's only show ratings was ruin work investigators have been doing between these two families because you can rest assure they are at family war right now between tents while Geraldo went back home to crawl in his Hudson River cushy home bed!    And what was that ridiculous question about Ron working as an undercover cop, that is  just as insane as him drawing a line in the sand in Iraq!  I dont think he cares if people get killed over his actions, shameful!   He played an angle IN ADVANCE with Crystal & her family to purposely cause that confrontation with Ron, it was an orchestrated set up for drama!  Even his guest attorneys politely told him how he brooched tonight's confrontation might be reckless.   Secondly, I have a significant amount of experience & knowledge both in my career as well as personal experience so don't easily dismiss what Im observing is automatically incorrect or baseless just because you have formulated an opinion...in the end I dont think Haleigh cares who is right or wrong about her parents right now.

If someone can provide a working link to the custody documents, please do so & I'll review it with an open mind - in the meantime you two might want to lighten up just how quickly & easily you want to insult other monkeys.
WOW Capp, I had no intention of insulting or tag teaming anyone...not my style.  The portion that I highlighted was all I was addressing and I passed that on to Islanmonkey because she has had personal experience with custody issues gone bad and was more qualified to address it than I.  I have not dismissed anything that you have stated nor have I said it was incorrect or baseless, as I said earlier I guess we will have to agree to disagree.  Just as you have your own ideas allow me to have mine. There was no mockery...my response was to Islandmonkey not you and the wink was because I knew from her teling her story what a horrible time she had had and the laugh was to lighten up the frustration she felt of telling the story over and over again and not being heard.  THERE WAS NO QUICKLY AND EASILY INSULTING MONKEYS BY ME.  I'm pretty sure that if you look over my posts you will see that I have never insulted anyone and I am sorry if you took it that way.  Had you asked I would have gladly explained.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: PookyBear on February 22, 2009, 06:43:46 AM
Good morning.

Here is a link which works to the hearing documents:

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/2005-Documents-Claim-Haleigh-Cummings-Wandered-Off/ecfIOIQdpEyY0r9dGW3W-A.cspx


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pharlap on February 22, 2009, 07:22:45 AM
Good morning.

Here is a link which works to the hearing documents:

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/2005-Documents-Claim-Haleigh-Cummings-Wandered-Off/ecfIOIQdpEyY0r9dGW3W-A.cspx

Good morning!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyDance::
That happened in july 2005, yet the judge gave custody of the 2 children to Ronald in dec 2005.
Doesn't make any sense to me for the judge to do that............. ::MonkeyNoNo::
Tks for link............... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Tater on February 22, 2009, 07:48:47 AM
I missed Geraldo's show...:(  Went to Youtube and could only find one video but it was worthless to say the least..:(


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Today on February 22, 2009, 07:50:23 AM
(http://i44.tinypic.com/k9j0ip.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: mioyshi on February 22, 2009, 08:00:35 AM
good morning,
  I did not see horaldo either, I did not even know he was here in fla, but, I wish he would just stay home with his antics.  I get so frustrated with people who do not have an incling as how it feels to have a missing loved one, and be looked at like you are the "taker", when you are innocent.

Accusations will not help to find anyone, it only adds another clog in the wheel, that most often has no bearing on the truths.   jmo   mio



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pharlap on February 22, 2009, 08:05:04 AM
Geraldo 2-21-09   ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9S-n825PJc


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: mioyshi on February 22, 2009, 08:12:10 AM
Geraldo 2-21-09   ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9S-n825PJc

thanks  pharlap......as I have dial up, I will look at this tonight, as that will be how long it will take to stream, ha ha..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: PookyBear on February 22, 2009, 08:33:15 AM
Geraldo 2-21-09   ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9S-n825PJc

thank you Pharlap -- I just don't think I can stomach watching him. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Billys_Mom on February 22, 2009, 08:45:36 AM
::MonkeyTongue::  Ok~was it just ME or did anyone else find it odd that he stated "we had an agreement and she would get spankings, just like DCS says is proper" Geez, I never have once hadto consult DCS in the discipline of my children and that he even raised that point is a red flag to me.....WHY?

Yep I caught that too. Like I said, no Angels in that family. But why would someone take Haleigh and not the little boy?

Haleigh might have been the one closest he could reach, if she was in another bed.  Did anyone else notice on one of the very first interviews with RC, he said something like "they took my daughter, my little GIRL, imagine that" as if to say the person wanted a girl for a reason.  That has stood out in my mind for a while now.  By the way, hi everyone!  First time post here, but I read here everyday.  I've posted at Caylee's site a little.  And for those that watched Whoraldo last night, whew I think he did that just to get ratings.  It sure seemed he wanted to stir up RC didn't it, it was almost like he wanted to get punched in the face by him.  I'm surprised he didn't punch him!  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Scarrlett on February 22, 2009, 08:49:24 AM
First of all I dont agree with Geraldo being in Satsuma at all, this is a family in enough stress over their child missing without all the Drama that Geraldo was there to drum up.  This family is grieving the loss of their child and regardless of what took place in the past,   Haleigh should be the number 1 concern right now. Geraldo should be ashamed of him self for going there and stirring up trouble when they clearly already have enough to deal with, if there is anything in either of these people's past you can be sure LE will find it, they dont need Geraldo there looking for a way to make money off someone elses tragedy!
   If something was to ever happen in my family ( and I pray it never will) I would make sure Geraldo was banned from coming to my town if I had to lie to get it done!  This is what LE is trying to prevent by staying so close mouthed about this investigation, they are trying to keep it from turning into some kind of media circus, but Geraldo just cant abide by their wishes and leave it alone for the proffessional Investigators to take care of..................I would like to slap the crap out of him myself and if Ronald had done it, I would have been the first to give him a high five!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have wanted to slap Geraldo for many years, and always find his antics to be ill-considered.

I think it would have been better for the families if he had stayed away.  Still, as IM says, maybe something good will come out of it.

The only good that interview did was stir up more trouble and LE KNOWS everything Geraldo and pugde boy brother. HOW ARROGANT!!

To take children away from the mother is a difficult task in most every state still today. I want to know the real reason for that!! This women has a lot of nerve if you ask me, and her trashy mother as well. Some one should look very very carefully at that side of the family as you can bet lots of animosity and anger are present towards Ron, who won in court. Revenge by that family surely looks more possible that a guy who was at work{does Miss Crystal have a job?} and caring best he could for two small children,especially one who is sick.

So the good?? Geraldo gets bigger ratings with his teaser on O'Riely factor, and then his instigating turns people against each other and Geraldo goes shopping for another luxury item. JMO


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Today on February 22, 2009, 08:53:09 AM
The way Geraldo got in Ron's face and Ron did nothing means, either Ron is on medications or he does not have a violent temper.  Geraldo hinted that he was high, however anyone going through a stressfull situation will be given meds to calm them and help them sleep by a doctor. 

I just want to remind everyone of a very weird statement by Crystal's mother on the 15th.  She was trying to to give the impression she is having psychic impressions  hearing Georgia / Alabama. Believes she is out of the state but ok.  That was a Geraldo show also. 
At approximally 8:55 marker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDgUXgdadgo

John Walsh seems to be staying silent also, just like with Caylee.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: PookyBear on February 22, 2009, 08:58:19 AM
Welcome Billys Mom -- Scarlett just replied to you in the Caylee thread.  Today, I did not know that -- find it interesting that she would imply Haleigh was out of state on the first day.  I am so afraid Haleigh is with a SO and it just makes me sick.  I pray they find her TODAY!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Tater on February 22, 2009, 09:05:12 AM
Geraldo 2-21-09   ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9S-n825PJc

Thankyou!!!! :)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Scarrlett on February 22, 2009, 09:08:30 AM
I am glad to see I am not the only one who thinks Geraldo is B-rated show at best. Ever notice that he never gets clips in the right place and sound is always off. His technical crew stinks. Probably a family member. LE should really get on HIS case if he comes back.

About the spanking thing. In trying to be to up-front can sink your ship, that is for sure. You can bet Ron has been under the microscope since winning custody. Social services follows up and makes home visits and make reports. At least in NY they do. I am sure he took parent classes.

 I have to tell you this. I spanked!! At about 10 my son told me to F myself. Without ANY thought at all I back-handed him across the lips hard. We do not speak that way and it threw me. I still feel guilty BUT....he has never spoke to me like that again. He is 27.
Wonder what Geraldo would say about that?

At the end and no rise from Ron, He pushes past Geraldo and gets to the camera and begins to beg for his child. This is very telling to me and I believe he does not know where she is and wants her home desperately.    Sorry Geraldo..He didn't snap and we all know that's what you wanted.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: PookyBear on February 22, 2009, 09:21:10 AM
I am glad to see I am not the only one who thinks Geraldo is B-rated show at best. Ever notice that he never gets clips in the right place and sound is always off. His technical crew stinks. Probably a family member. LE should really get on HIS case if he comes back.

About the spanking thing. In trying to be to up-front can sink your ship, that is for sure. You can bet Ron has been under the microscope since winning custody. Social services follows up and makes home visits and make reports. At least in NY they do. I am sure he took parent classes.

 I have to tell you this. I spanked!! At about 10 my son told me to F myself. Without ANY thought at all I back-handed him across the lips hard. We do not speak that way and it threw me. I still feel guilty BUT....he has never spoke to me like that again. He is 27.
Wonder what Geraldo would say about that?

At the end and no rise from Ron, He pushes past Geraldo and gets to the camera and begins to beg for his child. This is very telling to me and I believe he does not know where she is and wants her home desperately.    Sorry Geraldo..He didn't snap and we all know that's what you wanted.

I am not going to watch but am glad Ron did not take the bait.  I personally think Ron seems to really love this child.  He is looking, he is going on the media to appeal for his daughter -- he begs the person to return her and he tells her he Lives her.  All of these are appropriate responses.  He appears to me a grieving parent. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 09:23:17 AM
::MonkeyEek:: OMG~I am rewatching GR, and watchig RC's body language, etc remind me of my brother when he's drunk or on drugs (which is more often than not) and exactly why he is NEVER allowed around my kids.

Yep.  And Geraldo is deliberately antagonistic.  The family members are afraid that Ron is going to go off on Geraldo.

Good Morning Monkey's...


ITA Whoraldo was out there to stir up trouble.. Confronting Ron to see if his anger will come
 
out on National TV... Whorald caused more harm if and thats a big if -if Ron work undercover

for the police-Makes me wonder if he was implying Ron was a snitch for drug dealors and

reported the info to the police... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Billys_Mom on February 22, 2009, 09:37:34 AM
I am glad to see I am not the only one who thinks Geraldo is B-rated show at best. Ever notice that he never gets clips in the right place and sound is always off. His technical crew stinks. Probably a family member. LE should really get on HIS case if he comes back.

About the spanking thing. In trying to be to up-front can sink your ship, that is for sure. You can bet Ron has been under the microscope since winning custody. Social services follows up and makes home visits and make reports. At least in NY they do. I am sure he took parent classes.

 I have to tell you this. I spanked!! At about 10 my son told me to F myself. Without ANY thought at all I back-handed him across the lips hard. We do not speak that way and it threw me. I still feel guilty BUT....he has never spoke to me like that again. He is 27.
Wonder what Geraldo would say about that?

At the end and no rise from Ron, He pushes past Geraldo and gets to the camera and begins to beg for his child. This is very telling to me and I believe he does not know where she is and wants her home desperately.    Sorry Geraldo..He didn't snap and we all know that's what you wanted.

Yes, I also noticed RC at the end when he got in the camera.  Has anyone looked at Whoraldo as maybe doing the opposite of what was looking obvious to the viewers?  By that I mean, maybe he was trying to provoke RC on purpose and show that he does not have the temper that Crystal said he does.  Did you notice how fast Whoraldo was asking those questions and how fast RC was snapping them back at him?

I am trying to keep an open mind about the whole thing and just trying to look at the things no one has pointed out yet.  You just never know, Whoraldo could have been trying a different angle with the situation...also he did say he wasn't implying RC was guilty of her disappearance and I think he said that a couple of times.  I'm just trying to think out of the box, in this instance, with what Whoraldo's point was of trying to stir up RC in front of the media.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2009, 09:40:31 AM
The way Geraldo got in Ron's face and Ron did nothing means, either Ron is on medications or he does not have a violent temper.  Geraldo hinted that he was high, however anyone going through a stressfull situation will be given meds to calm them and help them sleep by a doctor. 

I just want to remind everyone of a very weird statement by Crystal's mother on the 15th.  She was trying to to give the impression she is having psychic impressions  hearing Georgia / Alabama. Believes she is out of the state but ok.  That was a Geraldo show also. 
At approximally 8:55 marker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDgUXgdadgo

John Walsh seems to be staying silent also, just like with Caylee.
You are so right on that, I have not heard John Walsh say anything on this case, has Mark Klass commented openly, if he has I missed it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: janetruth on February 22, 2009, 09:43:53 AM
The way Geraldo got in Ron's face and Ron did nothing means, either Ron is on medications or he does not have a violent temper.  Geraldo hinted that he was high, however anyone going through a stressfull situation will be given meds to calm them and help them sleep by a doctor. 

I just want to remind everyone of a very weird statement by Crystal's mother on the 15th.  She was trying to to give the impression she is having psychic impressions  hearing Georgia / Alabama. Believes she is out of the state but ok.  That was a Geraldo show also. 
At approximally 8:55 marker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDgUXgdadgo

John Walsh seems to be staying silent also, just like with Caylee.

To me, Ron's control in the face of Geraldo's baiting says that his temper is a tool he uses when it suits him, to maintain control of his family.  I said yesterday (I can't even remember if it was here or elsewhere) that I would bet money that everyone he works with thinks he's just the nicest, most accommodating guy in the world.  Except maybe when he's got a few beers under his belt.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2009, 09:46:03 AM
I really don't understand what the purpose of Geraldo's being there and confronting the father, but I guess it is just what Geraldo does. ::MonkeyRoll:: I will say though that the father upsets me with his anger issues, and the statement he made about he punishes the kids according to the DCF, I hope I got that right. Didn't Ron have to take parenting lessons?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: janetruth on February 22, 2009, 09:49:02 AM
I am glad to see I am not the only one who thinks Geraldo is B-rated show at best. Ever notice that he never gets clips in the right place and sound is always off. His technical crew stinks. Probably a family member. LE should really get on HIS case if he comes back.

About the spanking thing. In trying to be to up-front can sink your ship, that is for sure. You can bet Ron has been under the microscope since winning custody. Social services follows up and makes home visits and make reports. At least in NY they do. I am sure he took parent classes.

 I have to tell you this. I spanked!! At about 10 my son told me to F myself. Without ANY thought at all I back-handed him across the lips hard. We do not speak that way and it threw me. I still feel guilty BUT....he has never spoke to me like that again. He is 27.
Wonder what Geraldo would say about that?

At the end and no rise from Ron, He pushes past Geraldo and gets to the camera and begins to beg for his child. This is very telling to me and I believe he does not know where she is and wants her home desperately.    Sorry Geraldo..He didn't snap and we all know that's what you wanted.

I'm not so sure about Florida.  Their child services have a poor history.  There was a huge scandal a few years ago about kids missing from the foster care system--lost completely, with nobody the wiser for years.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: janetruth on February 22, 2009, 09:57:56 AM
By the way, I spanked mine, too.  Rarely, but all the more memorable for that.  My son, as a teenager, got in my face once, all cussing and such, and I looked UP at him and said, "Oh, is this you trying to intimidate me, now?" and he backed right down and never raised his voice to me (yet) again.

I have no problem with folks spanking kids, as long as it's not done on a regular basis.  Some kids can be incredibly hard-headed!  Bruises, however, are another story.

I like that the cameraman let Ron have his say at the end.  I think he probably agreed to the interview on condition that he be allowed to plead for Haleigh's return.  I think he knew he was going to be closely questioned, but that the questions went further than he thought they were going to. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Monken on February 22, 2009, 09:59:06 AM
Morning Guys,
I may be in the minority here, but I'm glad that Geraldo did what he did. I don't believe the intention was to provoke Ron's temper but to ask serious questions about his possible drug involvement. Now that those questions have been asked publicly, Ron has an opening to discuss this with LE. if he is holding anything back because he's afraid of the implications then that is wrong. Either he wants his daughter found or he doesn't! I don't believe that Misti is the only one in that house that knows what's going on. Obviously there is alot more to the story. And i do believe that Ron & his ex-wife have been involved in drugs in the past. Ron may have to give up names of drug associates in order for LE to find his child. If this is so, then i think he should pay the price of putting his children in that kind of situation. And after Haleigh is found, the abuse situation, I'm sure, will be investigated further. Geraldo is a "in your face" journalist, but in this case i don't care; as long as it helps find this little girl!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Today on February 22, 2009, 10:02:08 AM
Mother of Ron's other child?  Interesting comment by Misty.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4536.msg685352#msg685352


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 22, 2009, 10:04:25 AM
Good morning monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

Meet Amber, the other babymama of Ron's, along with his other son, Jordan. 

And check out Misty's 'welcome to myspace' greeting:    ::MonkeyEek::

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511)



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 22, 2009, 10:07:11 AM
Mother of Ron's other child?  Interesting comment by Misty.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4536.msg685352#msg685352

We are on the same wavelength this morning, eh?   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Sorry, didn't see your post before posting mine. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Today on February 22, 2009, 10:17:37 AM
This was sent to me http://www.topix.com/forum/source/orlando-sentinel/T4M811EB7J5FLGJ0S/p12#c239

Quote
austin
Fort Lauderdale, FL
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|Report Abuse |#239 Saturday Feb 14
Okay, Donald Sapp was born 1970 so he could be Guy Sapp's son; as he is old enough because he graduated 1948. Guy Sapp and Lindsy Croslin own the house on 116 Tyler Street as some of us thought that was Haleigh's address. Lindsy Croslin is Misty's sister in law. Now we find out Donald Sapp and the bio-mom live in the same town Glen St. Mary or use to live as Donald Sapp is in Satsuma. So Donald Sapp knows Misty's family and the bio-family's mom? 


I can never find anything at Topix unless its sent to me.   Read before and after this post, interesting stuff.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Scarrlett on February 22, 2009, 10:18:48 AM
I am glad to see I am not the only one who thinks Geraldo is B-rated show at best. Ever notice that he never gets clips in the right place and sound is always off. His technical crew stinks. Probably a family member. LE should really get on HIS case if he comes back.

About the spanking thing. In trying to be to up-front can sink your ship, that is for sure. You can bet Ron has been under the microscope since winning custody. Social services follows up and makes home visits and make reports. At least in NY they do. I am sure he took parent classes.

 I have to tell you this. I spanked!! At about 10 my son told me to F myself. Without ANY thought at all I back-handed him across the lips hard. We do not speak that way and it threw me. I still feel guilty BUT....he has never spoke to me like that again. He is 27.
Wonder what Geraldo would say about that?

At the end and no rise from Ron, He pushes past Geraldo and gets to the camera and begins to beg for his child. This is very telling to me and I believe he does not know where she is and wants her home desperately.    Sorry Geraldo..He didn't snap and we all know that's what you wanted.

I'm not so sure about Florida.  Their child services have a poor history.  There was a huge scandal a few years ago about kids missing from the foster care system--lost completely, with nobody the wiser for years.

That is horrible! But I would think that when a guy gets custody more counseling would be present as this is not the norm.

Love your kitty. My girl Scarrlett looks so similar. I'll bet she is smart. I would post a picture but it might take up the whole page. I am going to the pratice thread today. Nice to see you.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Today on February 22, 2009, 10:19:24 AM
Mother of Ron's other child?  Interesting comment by Misty.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4536.msg685352#msg685352

We are on the same wavelength this morning, eh?   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Sorry, didn't see your post before posting mine. 

::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::But I posted pictures  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: janetruth on February 22, 2009, 10:22:16 AM
I am glad to see I am not the only one who thinks Geraldo is B-rated show at best. Ever notice that he never gets clips in the right place and sound is always off. His technical crew stinks. Probably a family member. LE should really get on HIS case if he comes back.

About the spanking thing. In trying to be to up-front can sink your ship, that is for sure. You can bet Ron has been under the microscope since winning custody. Social services follows up and makes home visits and make reports. At least in NY they do. I am sure he took parent classes.

 I have to tell you this. I spanked!! At about 10 my son told me to F myself. Without ANY thought at all I back-handed him across the lips hard. We do not speak that way and it threw me. I still feel guilty BUT....he has never spoke to me like that again. He is 27.
Wonder what Geraldo would say about that?

At the end and no rise from Ron, He pushes past Geraldo and gets to the camera and begins to beg for his child. This is very telling to me and I believe he does not know where she is and wants her home desperately.    Sorry Geraldo..He didn't snap and we all know that's what you wanted.

I'm not so sure about Florida.  Their child services have a poor history.  There was a huge scandal a few years ago about kids missing from the foster care system--lost completely, with nobody the wiser for years.

That is horrible! But I would think that when a guy gets custody more counseling would be present as this is not the norm.

Love your kitty. My girl Scarrlett looks so similar. I'll bet she is smart. I would post a picture but it might take up the whole page. I am going to the pratice thread today. Nice to see you.


That's Banshee.  When I took Banshee in to get spayed, they told me he was a male.  I was mortified!  My only excuse is that is is very fluffy.

He drools.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 10:29:03 AM
::MonkeyTongue::  Ok~was it just ME or did anyone else find it odd that he stated "we had an agreement and she would get spankings, just like DCS says is proper" Geez, I never have once hadto consult DCS in the discipline of my children and that he even raised that point is a red flag to me.....WHY?
YES, quite an odd statement...I don't know if he had anything to do with Hayleigh's missing or not but he lied about drug use, I think he lied about the fight with the gun, I think he lied about abusing Crystal and then there is the 911 call.....remember the way he talked to Misty...that was not the first time he had talked to her that way......just saying

Id like to know if Crystal and her family called Child Services at any time as well, if Child Services was called to that house why & what were the circumstances that brought them there?  I'd like to find out before I speculate that aspect further.

Ron's temper is quite possibly an issue, he dates uneducated, naive 17 year olds because that is where his mentality stopped growing himself (well actually thats insultive to many teens far advanced at 17-lets say his mentality is very immaturely stunted), Ill agree with that.  It does appear by statements he made to Misty in anger & incredible shock that he might be verbally abusive BUT we have no proof that he was physically abusive with anyone to date.  I may have not used that defaming language but I would have been rip roaring pissed if someone was irresponsible in some manner that caused my child to be missing-what he was saying upon getting this news was he found it hard to believe someone just broke into the house under her nose & she didnt hear a thing, millions are wondering the same thing so he's no different for thinking it.   If couples leave their young children with teen babysitters, why is it a question that he left his children in an almost adult aged teen's care in this case?    If he knew she was not capable of caring for his children responsibly, that is an entirely different issue.   He got frustrated with Misty on Greta too because she just couldnt form one sentence together & seemed far off in the distance when Greta was asking her a direct simple question BUT truthfully I found it frustrating just watching her gaze into thin air.  It might very well be that he is often verbally abusive but I cannot stretch to say there is physical abuse of women or children based on what we know so far nor will I personally speculate on that until I see something more concrete - not just allegations made by a bitter party such as an ex-wife/girlfriend that has had a sorted past herself, enough that she lost custody of her children over.   Don't forget in most custody cases there are not only legal considerations but psychological testing, evaluations of all family members are conducted with experts making their findings known & what their recommendations are.  There are a few minor cases on average where judges get it wrong, but generally they dont...just saying.     Years later who is more suited to have custody presently, that very well might be an issue.
Meant to say, I'll let Islandmonkey handle that one.  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: LMAO~already have over and over ::MonkeyWink::
::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hold up, is this what you two do to fellow posters that may not agree with you...tag team & then laugh openly in a very rude manner?   First off, I stated clearly I did not see any proof YET that Crystal lost custody unwarrantly but her father did admit she lost custody due to her ongoing drug addiction & she didnt take Haleigh to see her doctor ...you provided a link for the custody hearing but the .pdf upon several attempts locked up and would not open, had I read it and found any merit to what you two think I would have stated so with no reservations & if I didnt find merit to what you were saying I would comment WITHOUT LAUGHING IN MOCKERY.  Geraldo going there to be confrontational & sensationalizing did NOTHING constructive, what it did do for the sake of his reduced to weekend's only show ratings was ruin work investigators have been doing between these two families because you can rest assure they are at family war right now between tents while Geraldo went back home to crawl in his Hudson River cushy home bed!    And what was that ridiculous question about Ron working as an undercover cop, that is  just as insane as him drawing a line in the sand in Iraq!  I dont think he cares if people get killed over his actions, shameful!   He played an angle IN ADVANCE with Crystal & her family to purposely cause that confrontation with Ron, it was an orchestrated set up for drama!  Even his guest attorneys politely told him how he brooched tonight's confrontation might be reckless.   Secondly, I have a significant amount of experience & knowledge both in my career as well as personal experience so don't easily dismiss what Im observing is automatically incorrect or baseless just because you have formulated an opinion...in the end I dont think Haleigh cares who is right or wrong about her parents right now.

If someone can provide a working link to the custody documents, please do so & I'll review it with an open mind - in the meantime you two might want to lighten up just how quickly & easily you want to insult other monkeys.
WOW Capp, I had no intention of insulting or tag teaming anyone...not my style.  The portion that I highlighted was all I was addressing and I passed that on to Islanmonkey because she has had personal experience with custody issues gone bad and was more qualified to address it than I.  I have not dismissed anything that you have stated nor have I said it was incorrect or baseless, as I said earlier I guess we will have to agree to disagree.  Just as you have your own ideas allow me to have mine. There was no mockery...my response was to Islandmonkey not you and the wink was because I knew from her teling her story what a horrible time she had had and the laugh was to lighten up the frustration she felt of telling the story over and over again and not being heard.  THERE WAS NO QUICKLY AND EASILY INSULTING MONKEYS BY ME.  I'm pretty sure that if you look over my posts you will see that I have never insulted anyone and I am sorry if you took it that way.  Had you asked I would have gladly explained.

Thanks Dottie~It was my ex and his former wife who had the custody issues not me.......I learned from the cr@p he told me he used on her and I am tired of trying to repeaat that story over and over.......it is simply just to point out that even judges are human and do get it wrong sometimes ::MonkeyNoNo:: As for the custody in his case, neither parents are angels and I think it's safe to say that were both using drugs, however, RC had petitioned that he would be living with his mother and would have no daycare cost due to that face and he at the time had a job when she didn't so he would be able to provide health insurance for the children, that's my opinion of just why the judge granted him custody. I have an open mind and was not making fun of anyone-not my nature, but my experiences are relevant as to this topic, just tired of non-stop repeating them..........


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 10:32:44 AM
I really don't understand what the purpose of Geraldo's being there and confronting the father, but I guess it is just what Geraldo does. ::MonkeyRoll:: I will say though that the father upsets me with his anger issues, and the statement he made about he punishes the kids according to the DCF, I hope I got that right. Didn't Ron have to take parenting lessons?

IIRC from the custody doc's CS did finish hers, and RC didn't. I know in TN where I was divorced it is MANDATORY, and when you finish you get a certificate to show the judge.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2009, 10:33:10 AM
Good morning monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

Meet Amber, the other babymama of Ron's, along with his other son, Jordan. 

And check out Misty's 'welcome to myspace' greeting:    ::MonkeyEek::

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511)


WOW, that Amber looks about 13 years old, Misty is quite the class act. I truly feel sorry for all the children involved, and I'm also mad and disgusted with all this as well.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 22, 2009, 10:34:37 AM
Mother of Ron's other child?  Interesting comment by Misty.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4536.msg685352#msg685352

We are on the same wavelength this morning, eh?   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Sorry, didn't see your post before posting mine. 

::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::But I posted pictures  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Interesting Note on Amber: another babies momma by RC, could be nothing, she has a ring on the married finger?!?  Maybe this is why she is not involved and I wonder if this has been out there since Nov08 has there been any claims for child support by her? 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2009, 10:37:06 AM
That Sapp character is really creepy.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 10:40:09 AM
Good morning monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

Meet Amber, the other babymama of Ron's, along with his other son, Jordan. 

And check out Misty's 'welcome to myspace' greeting:    ::MonkeyEek::

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511)


::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: Yikes!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Scarrlett on February 22, 2009, 10:45:18 AM
Okay..In the comment section. Who wrote that post about who? I don't understand.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 10:48:05 AM
That Sapp character is really creepy.  ::MonkeyEek::

Yes he is, but I've doe a chit load of research and haven't been able to connect him to anyone in this case ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pharlap on February 22, 2009, 10:49:29 AM
This was sent to me http://www.topix.com/forum/source/orlando-sentinel/T4M811EB7J5FLGJ0S/p12#c239

Quote
austin
Fort Lauderdale, FL
 Reply »
|Report Abuse |#239 Saturday Feb 14
Okay, Donald Sapp was born 1970 so he could be Guy Sapp's son; as he is old enough because he graduated 1948. Guy Sapp and Lindsy Croslin own the house on 116 Tyler Street as some of us thought that was Haleigh's address. Lindsy Croslin is Misty's sister in law. Now we find out Donald Sapp and the bio-mom live in the same town Glen St. Mary or use to live as Donald Sapp is in Satsuma. So Donald Sapp knows Misty's family and the bio-family's mom? 


I can never find anything at Topix unless its sent to me.   Read before and after this post, interesting stuff.
Tks for the tid bits.......
Do any of the family members live in the trailer park too?
Or is it trailers and houses in that community?
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 10:50:04 AM
Okay..In the comment section. Who wrote that post about who? I don't understand.

On Amber's myspace page (mother of Ron's other son) Misty wrote the following....




 Nov 14 2008 12:51 PM

she is a crack whor her baby is fucked up cuz of her doing durgs what a big hoe 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pharlap on February 22, 2009, 10:52:14 AM
Good morning monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

Meet Amber, the other babymama of Ron's, along with his other son, Jordan. 

And check out Misty's 'welcome to myspace' greeting:    ::MonkeyEek::

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511)


::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: Yikes!!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyShocked::She has no clue about what is on her page, last log in was
Female
19 years old
PALATKA, Florida
United States



Last Login: 5/1/2008


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: BooMonkey on February 22, 2009, 10:52:16 AM
I am glad to see I am not the only one who thinks Geraldo is B-rated show at best. Ever notice that he never gets clips in the right place and sound is always off. His technical crew stinks. Probably a family member. LE should really get on HIS case if he comes back.

About the spanking thing. In trying to be to up-front can sink your ship, that is for sure. You can bet Ron has been under the microscope since winning custody. Social services follows up and makes home visits and make reports. At least in NY they do. I am sure he took parent classes.

 I have to tell you this. I spanked!! At about 10 my son told me to F myself. Without ANY thought at all I back-handed him across the lips hard. We do not speak that way and it threw me. I still feel guilty BUT....he has never spoke to me like that again. He is 27.
Wonder what Geraldo would say about that?

At the end and no rise from Ron, He pushes past Geraldo and gets to the camera and begins to beg for his child. This is very telling to me and I believe he does not know where she is and wants her home desperately.    Sorry Geraldo..He didn't snap and we all know that's what you wanted.

Scarrlett, I spanked too. I'm a single Mom and my kids, for the most part, were awesome. But once in a while they had to test the waters. A few years back my oldest, who was defense on the High School Football team, sassed me good. I flew off the couch and went after him! I had him crouched in the corner, covering his head. I'm a pretty lenient Mom, but I won't tolerate sass. I worked too damn hard to give them everything, while I did without, sometimes even forgoing eating so they could have more (they didn't know) and that was one thing that would put me over the edge. Never happened again, my other son and daughter never tried it after that incident. BTW I went to my room for a good cry and he came in and apologized all over the place. He's a good boy and has been respectful ever since. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: janetruth on February 22, 2009, 10:52:33 AM
Okay..In the comment section. Who wrote that post about who? I don't understand.

On Amber's myspace page (mother of Ron's other son) Misty wrote the following....




 Nov 14 2008 12:51 PM

she is a crack whor her baby is fucked up cuz of her doing durgs what a big hoe 

Poor Haleigh!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 22, 2009, 10:52:55 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498127,00.html

(http://www.foxnews.com/images/510141/1_67_snap_geraldo_haleigh_320.jpg)

Missing Florida Girl's Dad: I 'Never' Hit My Child
Sunday , February 22, 2009

In a contentious, exclusive interview outside his Florida home, Ronald Cummings, the father of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings, blasted new abuse allegations and told FOX News "never, ever have I ever hit my child."

"Me and my child have an agreement. Daddy, daughter. She has been spanked on her behind the way DCF says that you can take care of disciplining your children," Cummings told FOX News' Geraldo Rivera.

Cummings also condemned new allegations that he hit Haleigh's mom Crystal while she was pregnant, saying friends and family members making the accusations are 'absolutely lying' and threatening criminal charges against them.

Responding to sources that told Rivera Cummings had told them he was 75 percent sure who kidnapped Haleigh, the missing girl's father said, "There is no way — I do not know who took Haleigh. If I had — if I had, uh, five percent of where Haleigh was at, I would be there now and not here."

The family of Haleigh Cummings, who apparently vanished while she was sleeping, says they are afraid she was taken by a pedophile cousin.

The 5-year-old's mother and paternal grandmother said Friday the man in question is a cousin of Misty Croslin, the teenage girlfriend of Ronald Cummings.

Police are questioning the cousin, who is from Tennessee and was visiting when Haleigh disappeared before dawn Feb. 10, according to MyFOXOrlando.com.

Click here for photos.

"What we've been told is that he's a sexual pedophile," said Haleigh's mother Crystal Sheffield. The child's grandmother, Teresa Neves, said Croslin described him as a "jerk" and she was worried.

"I couldn't tell you anything about him," a distraught Neves told reporters Friday, adding that she only knew of the cousin by his first name Joe. "I can't tell you how they could have taken her from a family that absolutely adores her."

The family's plea for the child's return came as news emerged about a tip from Tennessee called in by a woman claiming to have seen a man in a restaurant with a little girl resembling Haleigh, according to MyFOXOrlando.com.

The tipster, who reportedly phoned Knoxville detectives Sunday, said the man she saw was in a red Toyota RAV4 and appeared to be trying to shield the little girl with him.

Knoxville police said they didn't locate the car but turned the information over to Florida authorities on the case, according to MyFOXOrlando.com.

Putnam County investigators said they impounded a car in the case, but they wouldn't give a description of the vehicle, the station reported.

Sheffield told FOX News on Saturday that Ronald Cummings had been abusive to her when she first got pregnant.

"He punched me in the back of the head and before then, he was verbal," she said. "I mean he was just very abusive."

Sheffield also said she was told by her cousin of an incident where Cummings apparently hit Haleigh after the child bumped into him or smarted off to him.

"She said he just backhanded her. And she fell flat on her face on the porch," Sheffield said.

On Thursday a sexual predator was arrested near the trailer home where Haleigh lives with 24-year-old Cummings, 17-year-old Croslin and Haleigh's little brother Junior.

Police said Timothy R. Loucakis was brought in on charges unrelated to the missing child.

"Word is getting out that we have a sexual predator in custody, and we do, but we have no reason to link it to Haleigh," said Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy. He said Loucakis missed his curfew, but GPS tracking showed him "within his home zone" — and not near Haleigh — when she reportedly vanished.

Detectives are still "not excluding anybody" as a suspect in the girl's disappearance, Hardy said.

Loucakis was convicted of "promoting a sexual performance by a child" in May of 2001 and is currently listed as a sexual predator, according to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement Web site.

"What we're concerned about was he wasn't where he was supposed to be," Hardy said.

On Friday, police announced that the reward for information leading to Haleigh had risen to $20,000 but they offered no other details of their progress in solving the mystery.

Authorities have been investigating a tip that casts doubt on a story told by Croslin that she was home when she discovered the child missing. The source said she wasn't in the trailer when Haleigh vanished last Tuesday. Investigators say they're looking into the report.

They're also studying inconsistencies in descriptions of what the girl was last seen wearing. Croslin told them Haleigh had a pink shirt on the night she vanished, but police said this week they have that item of clothing in their possession.

The girlfriend has also reportedly told different stories to cops and the media about the timing of her discovery that Haleigh was gone and where she and the child were that night.

Cummings and Croslin have both taken lie detector tests. They told FOX News they "passed" the polygraphs. Police haven't released the results.

The family has been at the center of investigations done by the state child welfare agency, but details of those cases haven't been disclosed because of confidentiality laws.

Neves said her son would never hurt Haleigh and pleaded Friday for her granddaughter's kidnapper to bring her home.

"I want to say to my baby, we love you sweetheart, and we will find you," she said through tears.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Today on February 22, 2009, 10:53:51 AM
Okay..In the comment section. Who wrote that post about who? I don't understand.
Misty wrote about Amber.  Those are just screen shots, go to the actual page it will make more sense.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: janetruth on February 22, 2009, 10:54:59 AM
Good morning monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

Meet Amber, the other babymama of Ron's, along with his other son, Jordan. 

And check out Misty's 'welcome to myspace' greeting:    ::MonkeyEek::

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511)


::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: Yikes!!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyShocked::She has no clue about what is on her page, last log in was
Female
19 years old
PALATKA, Florida
United States



Last Login: 5/1/2008

I wonder if her computer got repossessed.

(Sorry...that was nasty)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: janetruth on February 22, 2009, 10:56:51 AM
I am glad to see I am not the only one who thinks Geraldo is B-rated show at best. Ever notice that he never gets clips in the right place and sound is always off. His technical crew stinks. Probably a family member. LE should really get on HIS case if he comes back.

About the spanking thing. In trying to be to up-front can sink your ship, that is for sure. You can bet Ron has been under the microscope since winning custody. Social services follows up and makes home visits and make reports. At least in NY they do. I am sure he took parent classes.

 I have to tell you this. I spanked!! At about 10 my son told me to F myself. Without ANY thought at all I back-handed him across the lips hard. We do not speak that way and it threw me. I still feel guilty BUT....he has never spoke to me like that again. He is 27.
Wonder what Geraldo would say about that?

At the end and no rise from Ron, He pushes past Geraldo and gets to the camera and begins to beg for his child. This is very telling to me and I believe he does not know where she is and wants her home desperately.    Sorry Geraldo..He didn't snap and we all know that's what you wanted.

Scarrlett, I spanked too. I'm a single Mom and my kids, for the most part, were awesome. But once in a while they had to test the waters. A few years back my oldest, who was defense on the High School Football team, sassed me good. I flew off the couch and went after him! I had him crouched in the corner, covering his head. I'm a pretty lenient Mom, but I won't tolerate sass. I worked too damn hard to give them everything, while I did without, sometimes even forgoing eating so they could have more (they didn't know) and that was one thing that would put me over the edge. Never happened again, my other son and daughter never tried it after that incident. BTW I went to my room for a good cry and he came in and apologized all over the place. He's a good boy and has been respectful ever since. 

I, too, was a single mom.  I understand completely.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 22, 2009, 10:57:15 AM
Mother of Ron's other child?  Interesting comment by Misty.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4536.msg685352#msg685352

We are on the same wavelength this morning, eh?   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Sorry, didn't see your post before posting mine. 

::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::But I posted pictures  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 11:03:38 AM
I am glad to see I am not the only one who thinks Geraldo is B-rated show at best. Ever notice that he never gets clips in the right place and sound is always off. His technical crew stinks. Probably a family member. LE should really get on HIS case if he comes back.

About the spanking thing. In trying to be to up-front can sink your ship, that is for sure. You can bet Ron has been under the microscope since winning custody. Social services follows up and makes home visits and make reports. At least in NY they do. I am sure he took parent classes.

 I have to tell you this. I spanked!! At about 10 my son told me to F myself. Without ANY thought at all I back-handed him across the lips hard. We do not speak that way and it threw me. I still feel guilty BUT....he has never spoke to me like that again. He is 27.
Wonder what Geraldo would say about that?

At the end and no rise from Ron, He pushes past Geraldo and gets to the camera and begins to beg for his child. This is very telling to me and I believe he does not know where she is and wants her home desperately.    Sorry Geraldo..He didn't snap and we all know that's what you wanted.

Scarrlett, I spanked too. I'm a single Mom and my kids, for the most part, were awesome. But once in a while they had to test the waters. A few years back my oldest, who was defense on the High School Football team, sassed me good. I flew off the couch and went after him! I had him crouched in the corner, covering his head. I'm a pretty lenient Mom, but I won't tolerate sass. I worked too damn hard to give them everything, while I did without, sometimes even forgoing eating so they could have more (they didn't know) and that was one thing that would put me over the edge. Never happened again, my other son and daughter never tried it after that incident. BTW I went to my room for a good cry and he came in and apologized all over the place. He's a good boy and has been respectful ever since. 

I, too, was a single mom.  I understand completely.

I don't think spankin is an issue, most parents spank if they feel they have to, it was this statement that made me go hmmmmmm:

Me and my child have an agreement. Daddy, daughter. She has been spanked on her behind the way DCF says that you can take care of disciplining your children,"

I wonder what Haleigh's part of the agreement was?? It's just an odd way to state things IMO


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: flamom on February 22, 2009, 11:03:59 AM
Hiya Monkeys! ::MonkeyDance:: The State of Florida requires all divorcing couples with children to complete a parenting class prior to having their divorce finalized


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 22, 2009, 11:04:48 AM
Good morning monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

Meet Amber, the other babymama of Ron's, along with his other son, Jordan. 

And check out Misty's 'welcome to myspace' greeting:    ::MonkeyEek::

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511)


::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: Yikes!!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyShocked:: She has no clue about what is on her page, last log in was
Female
19 years old
PALATKA, Florida
United States



Last Login: 5/1/2008

Hmmmm... I am 'myspace challenged'.  Don't folks have to approve someone as their friend, before they can post under comments?  Seems that Amber didn't have to.  Unless Misty joined as her friend awhile back and just waited a long time to make a comment. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 22, 2009, 11:05:55 AM
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511

Amber - mother of Ronalds other child

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/AmberBaby.jpg)

Comments by Misty on Ambers Myspace:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/MistyComment.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/MistyComment2.jpg)



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: flamom on February 22, 2009, 11:07:13 AM
Good morning monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

Meet Amber, the other babymama of Ron's, along with his other son, Jordan. 

And check out Misty's 'welcome to myspace' greeting:    ::MonkeyEek::

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511)


::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: Yikes!!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyShocked:: She has no clue about what is on her page, last log in was
Female
19 years old
PALATKA, Florida
United States



Last Login: 5/1/2008

Hmmmm... I am 'myspace challenged'.  Don't folks have to approve someone as their friend, before they can post under comments?  Seems that Amber didn't have to.  Unless Misty joined as her friend awhile back and just waited a long time to make a comment. 

unless Misti is a biatch and created this page to say what she wanted to about her 'rival'


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: janetruth on February 22, 2009, 11:09:54 AM
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511

Amber - mother of Ronalds other child

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/AmberBaby.jpg)

Comments by Misty on Ambers Myspace:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/MistyComment.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/MistyComment2.jpg)



Damn!  Look at her there, with her cigarettes on the arm of the chair while she feeds her baby!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 22, 2009, 11:14:04 AM
Good morning monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

Meet Amber, the other babymama of Ron's, along with his other son, Jordan. 

And check out Misty's 'welcome to myspace' greeting:    ::MonkeyEek::

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511)


::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: Yikes!!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyShocked:: She has no clue about what is on her page, last log in was
Female
19 years old
PALATKA, Florida
United States



Last Login: 5/1/2008

Hmmmm... I am 'myspace challenged'.  Don't folks have to approve someone as their friend, before they can post under comments?  Seems that Amber didn't have to.  Unless Misty joined as her friend awhile back and just waited a long time to make a comment. 

unless Misti is a biatch and created this page to say what she wanted to about her 'rival'

Aha!  That could very well be! 

From that one pic, Amber looks like a nice girl.  Interesting that we haven't heard about her until just recently. 

Given what we know about other family members, the snarky part in me is wondering if Amber is a cousin of one or more players in this case.   ::MonkeyTongue::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Sassycat on February 22, 2009, 11:25:31 AM
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511

Amber - mother of Ronalds other child

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/AmberBaby.jpg)

Comments by Misty on Ambers Myspace:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/MistyComment.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/MistyComment2.jpg)



Misty needs to have her azz kicked up to her chin.     Poor Haleigh.   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Scarrlett on February 22, 2009, 11:26:16 AM
Okay..In the comment section. Who wrote that post about who? I don't understand.

On Amber's myspace page (mother of Ron's other son) Misty wrote the following....




 Nov 14 2008 12:51 PM

she is a crack whor her baby is fucked up cuz of her doing durgs what a big hoe 

Thanks Girl...That explains the spelling and grammar. So many young girls with babies and no visible means to care for them. Sadly IslandMonkey, I think this is becoming more rapid in our country. And with the economy the way it is I suspect it will only get worse.

Then you have that octo-mom crap. It is time to start teaching our children the importance of birth control and responsible parenting. You have to take a test to drive but you can have multiple kids the state pays for.......... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 11:30:12 AM
Good morning monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

Meet Amber, the other babymama of Ron's, along with his other son, Jordan. 

And check out Misty's 'welcome to myspace' greeting:    ::MonkeyEek::

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511)


::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: Yikes!!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyShocked:: She has no clue about what is on her page, last log in was
Female
19 years old
PALATKA, Florida
United States



Last Login: 5/1/2008

Hmmmm... I am 'myspace challenged'.  Don't folks have to approve someone as their friend, before they can post under comments?  Seems that Amber didn't have to.  Unless Misty joined as her friend awhile back and just waited a long time to make a comment. 


Yes they do, but Misty used to babyit for Amber~that's how she met Ron, and most likely why she was a "friend"......


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 11:31:44 AM
Okay..In the comment section. Who wrote that post about who? I don't understand.

On Amber's myspace page (mother of Ron's other son) Misty wrote the following....




 Nov 14 2008 12:51 PM

she is a crack whor her baby is fucked up cuz of her doing durgs what a big hoe 

Thanks Girl...That explains the spelling and grammar. So many young girls with babies and no visible means to care for them. Sadly IslandMonkey, I think this is becoming more rapid in our country. And with the economy the way it is I suspect it will only get worse.

Then you have that octo-mom crap. It is time to start teaching our children the importance of birth control and responsible parenting. You have to take a test to drive but you can have multiple kids the state pays for.......... ::MonkeyConfused::

Oh, don't even get me started on Octomom ::MonkeyNoNo:: she needs therapy BIG TIME, and those poor babies, I worry about them ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 11:35:00 AM
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511

Amber - mother of Ronalds other child

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/AmberBaby.jpg)

Comments by Misty on Ambers Myspace:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/MistyComment.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/MistyComment2.jpg)



Misty needs to have her azz kicked up to her chin.     Poor Haleigh.   

Amen, I din't even see the second comment............Misty is so naive, she doesn't understand she is playing with fire, and when you play with fire you are bound to get burned......I think she's learning her lesson the hard way.


FLAMOM~Same here in TN regarding parenting classes, but theirs was just a custody hearing an at the time Ron admitted he had NOT finished his classes, CS had her certificate showing she had completed them.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Scarrlett on February 22, 2009, 11:37:12 AM
Okay..In the comment section. Who wrote that post about who? I don't understand.
Misty wrote about Amber.  Those are just screen shots, go to the actual page it will make more sense.

TY Today..Boo has me tearing my cupboard apart looking for COCO POWDER!! Must have some

It seems lots of people in all age groups are involed in this my-space facebook la la la . Sometimes seems silly to me. What do I know?? I want micro-cake


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Sassycat on February 22, 2009, 11:46:00 AM
Wonder how much Crystal and her mom were paid for "licencing fees" to show that picture on Whoraldo?

That interview looked 'bought and paid for' IMO.




ita. right down to the gratuitous hugs.

Yep - that was my first thought - as they were hugging at the end.   I wonder how much they got paid for that picture of poor Haleigh and her bruised face.     ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: janetruth on February 22, 2009, 11:47:17 AM
Okay..In the comment section. Who wrote that post about who? I don't understand.
Misty wrote about Amber.  Those are just screen shots, go to the actual page it will make more sense.

TY Today..Boo has me tearing my cupboard apart looking for COCO POWDER!! Must have some

It seems lots of people in all age groups are involed in this my-space facebook la la la . Sometimes seems silly to me. What do I know?? I want micro-cake

My two older kids (31 and 27) use MySpace.  My son, at 18, is of the FaceBook generation.

Me?  I'm just an old blogger, though I have both MySpace and FaceBook profiles.

Blogging is more my thing.  I run my mouth on any subject that comes to mind, and people comment (sometimes).

I am not interested in flirting with strangers and such, though it is a way to keep up with what my kids are doing.  That's why I joined both MS and FB.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Today on February 22, 2009, 11:50:58 AM
Good morning monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

Meet Amber, the other babymama of Ron's, along with his other son, Jordan. 

And check out Misty's 'welcome to myspace' greeting:    ::MonkeyEek::

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511)


::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: Yikes!!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyShocked:: She has no clue about what is on her page, last log in was
Female
19 years old
PALATKA, Florida
United States



Last Login: 5/1/2008

Hmmmm... I am 'myspace challenged'.  Don't folks have to approve someone as their friend, before they can post under comments?  Seems that Amber didn't have to.  Unless Misty joined as her friend awhile back and just waited a long time to make a comment. 

Misty's comment was 11/14/08 Amber's last sign in 4/30/08.  Amber doesn't know about comment.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2009, 11:54:09 AM
Amber is a pretty girl, and looks so young, she looks like a kid playing house. I'd like to take Ron and knock a little sense into him about all these young girlfriends, I'm sorry this makes me so angry, there are many birth control methods out there people.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Scarrlett on February 22, 2009, 11:56:34 AM
Okay..In the comment section. Who wrote that post about who? I don't understand.
Misty wrote about Amber.  Those are just screen shots, go to the actual page it will make more sense.

TY Today..Boo has me tearing my cupboard apart looking for COCO POWDER!! Must have some

It seems lots of people in all age groups are involved in this my-space facebook la la la . Sometimes seems silly to me. What do I know?? I want micro-cake

My two older kids (31 and 27) use MySpace.  My son, at 18, is of the FaceBook generation.

Me?  I'm just an old blogger, though I have both MySpace and FaceBook profiles.

Blogging is more my thing.  I run my mouth on any subject that comes to mind, and people comment (sometimes).

I am not interested in flirting with strangers and such, though it is a way to keep up with what my kids are doing.  That's why I joined both MS and FB.

Very wise my friend. I still don't get putting something mean on someones page. Kind of low class if you ask me. My Dad always said, "Don't put anything in print you do not want the whole world to see". It can come back to bite you in the ............


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Sassycat on February 22, 2009, 12:00:06 PM
Good morning monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

Meet Amber, the other babymama of Ron's, along with his other son, Jordan. 

And check out Misty's 'welcome to myspace' greeting:    ::MonkeyEek::

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511)


::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: Yikes!!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyShocked:: She has no clue about what is on her page, last log in was
Female
19 years old
PALATKA, Florida
United States



Last Login: 5/1/2008

Hmmmm... I am 'myspace challenged'.  Don't folks have to approve someone as their friend, before they can post under comments?  Seems that Amber didn't have to.  Unless Misty joined as her friend awhile back and just waited a long time to make a comment. 

Misty's comment was 11/14/08 Amber's last sign in 4/30/08.  Amber doesn't know about comment.

True.   And I bet Amber finds out real soon - and the comment is deleted!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: janetruth on February 22, 2009, 12:02:46 PM
Okay..In the comment section. Who wrote that post about who? I don't understand.
Misty wrote about Amber.  Those are just screen shots, go to the actual page it will make more sense.

TY Today..Boo has me tearing my cupboard apart looking for COCO POWDER!! Must have some

It seems lots of people in all age groups are involved in this my-space facebook la la la . Sometimes seems silly to me. What do I know?? I want micro-cake

My two older kids (31 and 27) use MySpace.  My son, at 18, is of the FaceBook generation.

Me?  I'm just an old blogger, though I have both MySpace and FaceBook profiles.

Blogging is more my thing.  I run my mouth on any subject that comes to mind, and people comment (sometimes).

I am not interested in flirting with strangers and such, though it is a way to keep up with what my kids are doing.  That's why I joined both MS and FB.

Very wise my friend. I still don't get putting something mean on someones page. Kind of low class if you ask me. My Dad always said, "Don't put anything in print you do not want the whole world to see". It can come back to bite you in the ............

I get nasty comments on my blog sometimes, but it's usually because I have taken a controversial stance on something, and they disagree.  Nothing personal like that.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Puzzler on February 22, 2009, 12:03:21 PM
Morning Guys,
I may be in the minority here, but I'm glad that Geraldo did what he did. I don't believe the intention was to provoke Ron's temper but to ask serious questions about his possible drug involvement. Now that those questions have been asked publicly, Ron has an opening to discuss this with LE. if he is holding anything back because he's afraid of the implications then that is wrong. Either he wants his daughter found or he doesn't! I don't believe that Misti is the only one in that house that knows what's going on. Obviously there is alot more to the story. And i do believe that Ron & his ex-wife have been involved in drugs in the past. Ron may have to give up names of drug associates in order for LE to find his child. If this is so, then i think he should pay the price of putting his children in that kind of situation. And after Haleigh is found, the abuse situation, I'm sure, will be investigated further. Geraldo is a "in your face" journalist, but in this case i don't care; as long as it helps find this little girl!

IMO Geraldo was tossing questions quickly and Ron was answering them quickly.  Geraldo got a chance to ask everything he wanted to and Ron got a chance to fully respond to the questions.
Ron also got a chance to talk to Haleigh if she's listening.  Same thing with the bio mother.  IMO the interview was set up with both parents and both parents got their say.  I think it was "set up" with both parents before the taping. 

IMO The only thing that got really rough was Ron's mother in the background with her cuss words that were being bleeped out.

 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pharlap on February 22, 2009, 12:07:53 PM
Fox anchor banned from camp of missing girl's father

Fox News anchor Geraldo Rivera was issued a trespass warning after a contentious interview with the father of a missing Putnam County girl.

As the search for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings entered its 13th day, the county was abuzz about the contentious interview with her father Saturday night with Rivera.

Cummings got upset when Rivera said he'd been told by members of Haleigh's mother's family that Cummings hit the child and has said he is 75 percent sure he knows who has her. ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-22/story/fox_anchor_banned_from_camp_of_missing_girls_father


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2009, 12:09:48 PM
Fox anchor banned from camp of missing girl's father

Fox News anchor Geraldo Rivera was issued a trespass warning after a contentious interview with the father of a missing Putnam County girl.

As the search for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings entered its 13th day, the county was abuzz about the contentious interview with her father Saturday night with Rivera.

Cummings got upset when Rivera said he'd been told by members of Haleigh's mother's family that Cummings hit the child and has said he is 75 percent sure he knows who has her. ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-22/story/fox_anchor_banned_from_camp_of_missing_girls_father
Poor Geraldo  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 22, 2009, 12:10:43 PM
WOW.
Misty got her man. eh ? And she's going to get her baby !
Lucky Misty ! 
Gaggggg
   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: CaraJay on February 22, 2009, 12:11:35 PM
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511

Amber - mother of Ronalds other child

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/AmberBaby.jpg)

Comments by Misty on Ambers Myspace:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/MistyComment.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/MistyComment2.jpg)



Misty needs to have her azz kicked up to her chin.     Poor Haleigh.   

Amen, I din't even see the second comment............Misty is so naive, she doesn't understand she is playing with fire, and when you play with fire you are bound to get burned......I think she's learning her lesson the hard way.


FLAMOM~Same here in TN regarding parenting classes, but theirs was just a custody hearing an at the time Ron admitted he had NOT finished his classes, CS had her certificate showing she had completed them.


Hi.  I have never posted but this my space page is bogus.  If you look at the date on that picture it is 6/11/2009 which hasn't happened yet.  I don't know what is going on but something isn't right about this page.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Puzzler on February 22, 2009, 12:12:28 PM
Amber is a pretty girl, and looks so young, she looks like a kid playing house. I'd like to take Ron and knock a little sense into him about all these young girlfriends, I'm sorry this makes me so angry, there are many birth control methods out there people.

Yes, I agree.  Talk about not being responsible!

It was one thing when the bio mon was pregnant with Haleigh 6 years ago and was 17 and Ron was 19.  IMO it's a totally different thing when Ron is now living with a 17 y.o and he is 25.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 12:13:45 PM
WOW.
Misty got her man. eh ? And she's going to get her baby !
Lucky Misty ! 
Gaggggg
   


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: Sorry, but that made me just spit coffee all over the keyboard........I'm starting to here the theme music from Deliverance in my head.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pharlap on February 22, 2009, 12:16:03 PM
Fox anchor banned from camp of missing girl's father

Fox News anchor Geraldo Rivera was issued a trespass warning after a contentious interview with the father of a missing Putnam County girl.

As the search for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings entered its 13th day, the county was abuzz about the contentious interview with her father Saturday night with Rivera.

Cummings got upset when Rivera said he'd been told by members of Haleigh's mother's family that Cummings hit the child and has said he is 75 percent sure he knows who has her. ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-22/story/fox_anchor_banned_from_camp_of_missing_girls_father
Poor Geraldo  ::MonkeyRoll::

I think Geraldo saw the writing in the sand...... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 12:17:35 PM
Amber is a pretty girl, and looks so young, she looks like a kid playing house. I'd like to take Ron and knock a little sense into him about all these young girlfriends, I'm sorry this makes me so angry, there are many birth control methods out there people.

Yes, I agree.  Talk about not being responsible!

It was one thing when the bio mon was pregnant with Haleigh 6 years ago and was 17 and Ron was 19.  IMO it's a totally different thing when Ron is now living with a 17 y.o and he is 25.



I agree with that point, but CS was involved with RC from age 14-19, so unless she just started having sex with him at 17 (which I seriously doubt), she probably started to have sex at 14yrs old ---------that IS before the age of consent in Florida, which is 16. He does seem to have a curious interest in 17yr old girls and it is MOO that he does this because they are naive and easier to control.....very sad situation for all involved.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2009, 12:18:10 PM
WOW.
Misty got her man. eh ? And she's going to get her baby !
Lucky Misty ! 
Gaggggg
   


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: Sorry, but that made me just spit coffee all over the keyboard........I'm starting to here the theme music from Deliverance in my head.
I'm way past that. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: GramaMonkey on February 22, 2009, 12:19:32 PM
Good morning monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

Meet Amber, the other babymama of Ron's, along with his other son, Jordan. 

And check out Misty's 'welcome to myspace' greeting:    ::MonkeyEek::

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511)


::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: Yikes!!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyShocked::She has no clue about what is on her page, last log in was
Female
19 years old
PALATKA, Florida
United States



Last Login: 5/1/2008

I wonder if her computer got repossessed.

(Sorry...that was nasty)

If you click on the "Please bring Haleigh Home" above the pic, it will show Misty's sign in as 20/02/2009.  So, she has access to someone's computer


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: theboyzmom on February 22, 2009, 12:19:40 PM
I am glad to see I am not the only one who thinks Geraldo is B-rated show at best. Ever notice that he never gets clips in the right place and sound is always off. His technical crew stinks. Probably a family member. LE should really get on HIS case if he comes back.

About the spanking thing. In trying to be to up-front can sink your ship, that is for sure. You can bet Ron has been under the microscope since winning custody. Social services follows up and makes home visits and make reports. At least in NY they do. I am sure he took parent classes.

 I have to tell you this. I spanked!! At about 10 my son told me to F myself. Without ANY thought at all I back-handed him across the lips hard. We do not speak that way and it threw me. I still feel guilty BUT....he has never spoke to me like that again. He is 27.
Wonder what Geraldo would say about that?

At the end and no rise from Ron, He pushes past Geraldo and gets to the camera and begins to beg for his child. This is very telling to me and I believe he does not know where she is and wants her home desperately.    Sorry Geraldo..He didn't snap and we all know that's what you wanted.

Scarrlett, I spanked too. I'm a single Mom and my kids, for the most part, were awesome. But once in a while they had to test the waters. A few years back my oldest, who was defense on the High School Football team, sassed me good. I flew off the couch and went after him! I had him crouched in the corner, covering his head. I'm a pretty lenient Mom, but I won't tolerate sass. I worked too damn hard to give them everything, while I did without, sometimes even forgoing eating so they could have more (they didn't know) and that was one thing that would put me over the edge. Never happened again, my other son and daughter never tried it after that incident. BTW I went to my room for a good cry and he came in and apologized all over the place. He's a good boy and has been respectful ever since. 

We need more parents like you - I remember when my brother was about 16 and thought he was bigger than mom. He sassed her and she chased him down and smacked him but good. He turned out to be a pretty good guy. My oldest never needs a spanking (of course since he is 16 and 6 inches taller than me it is a good thing!) but my 10 year old gets a smack on more than one occasion - he has some issues with listening. He listens much better with my hand on his behind!   ::MonkeyWink::  Too many parents seem to be friends and not parents.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2009, 12:19:48 PM
Welcome CaraJay, I see what you mean about the dates. I don't know anything about myspace.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: theboyzmom on February 22, 2009, 12:27:44 PM
Amber is a pretty girl, and looks so young, she looks like a kid playing house. I'd like to take Ron and knock a little sense into him about all these young girlfriends, I'm sorry this makes me so angry, there are many birth control methods out there people.

Yes, I agree.  Talk about not being responsible!

It was one thing when the bio mon was pregnant with Haleigh 6 years ago and was 17 and Ron was 19.  IMO it's a totally different thing when Ron is now living with a 17 y.o and he is 25.



I agree with that point, but CS was involved with RC from age 14-19, so unless she just started having sex with him at 17 (which I seriously doubt), she probably started to have sex at 14yrs old ---------that IS before the age of consent in Florida, which is 16. He does seem to have a curious interest in 17yr old girls and it is MOO that he does this because they are naive and easier to control.....very sad situation for all involved.

Weird to me but this seems to be the trend with all the guys (or a lot of them) - we own a restaurant and it is amazing to me the number of girls that shack up with guys 5,6 or more years older than them - and the number that have children when they are 16 or 17. When I was a kid that was unheard of. And no, I am not older than dirt but I am getting ready for my 25th class reunion!  EEK!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 22, 2009, 12:29:15 PM
Hi CaraJay, and welcome to the cage!  (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/wavehi.gif)

There sure does seem to be something odd about Amber's myspace page.. Am thinking along with other monkey's that maybe Misty made this page just to post snarky comments to/about Amber.  Wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened. 

Good to have you in here with us! 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: janetruth on February 22, 2009, 12:29:28 PM
Good morning monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

Meet Amber, the other babymama of Ron's, along with his other son, Jordan. 

And check out Misty's 'welcome to myspace' greeting:    ::MonkeyEek::

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511)


::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: Yikes!!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyShocked::She has no clue about what is on her page, last log in was
Female
19 years old
PALATKA, Florida
United States



Last Login: 5/1/2008

I wonder if her computer got repossessed.

(Sorry...that was nasty)

If you click on the "Please bring Haleigh Home" above the pic, it will show Misty's sign in as 20/02/2009.  So, she has access to someone's computer

Sorry for not being clear.  I was referring to Amber, who last logged in last May.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: CaraJay on February 22, 2009, 12:30:59 PM
Someone is messing around that is for sure.  According to this site  http://layouts.grownupgeek.com/tweaks/hide-last-login.php

you can change the last log in date.  To tell you the truth I don't know who is doing it but someone is trying to make Misty look bad or this is Misty doing this.  Whoever is doing it they screwed up by putting the 6/11/2009 date.  This case is just so weird I feel really bad for Haleigh.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2009, 12:37:07 PM
Someone is messing around that is for sure.  According to this site  http://layouts.grownupgeek.com/tweaks/hide-last-login.php

you can change the last log in date.  To tell you the truth I don't know who is doing it but someone is trying to make Misty look bad or this is Misty doing this.  Whoever is doing it they screwed up by putting the 6/11/2009 date.  This case is just so weird I feel really bad for Haleigh.
Me too, I feel bad for all these kids.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: JuJu on February 22, 2009, 12:40:18 PM
WOW.
Misty got her man. eh ? And she's going to get her baby !
Lucky Misty ! 
Gaggggg
   


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: Sorry, but that made me just spit coffee all over the keyboard........I'm starting to here the theme music from Deliverance in my head.

i just had a little pee to come out... ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: CaraJay on February 22, 2009, 12:43:31 PM
Thanks for the welcome.  I have to get some work done around the house but I'm starting to wonder about Misty.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: numbersgirl on February 22, 2009, 12:48:50 PM
Amber is a pretty girl, and looks so young, she looks like a kid playing house. I'd like to take Ron and knock a little sense into him about all these young girlfriends, I'm sorry this makes me so angry, there are many birth control methods out there people.

I agree NRCG...here's what I don't understand.  These under-age girls seem to be able to get ciggies - why don't they spend some of that money on birth control?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: NewfieMonkey on February 22, 2009, 12:54:11 PM
Amber is a pretty girl, and looks so young, she looks like a kid playing house. I'd like to take Ron and knock a little sense into him about all these young girlfriends, I'm sorry this makes me so angry, there are many birth control methods out there people.

I agree NRCG...here's what I don't understand.  These under-age girls seem to be able to get ciggies - why don't they spend some of that money on birth control?
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: (Okay, I know it isn't really funny!  But, I couldn't help it!)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: numbersgirl on February 22, 2009, 01:03:55 PM
Amber is a pretty girl, and looks so young, she looks like a kid playing house. I'd like to take Ron and knock a little sense into him about all these young girlfriends, I'm sorry this makes me so angry, there are many birth control methods out there people.

I agree NRCG...here's what I don't understand.  These under-age girls seem to be able to get ciggies - why don't they spend some of that money on birth control?
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: (Okay, I know it isn't really funny!  But, I couldn't help it!)

Wait...I've got it...These young girls should be allowed to smoke, but only if they hold their ciggie between their knees!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 22, 2009, 01:06:43 PM
I wish I could say this was just a FL or a US thing. Girls having babies.
I work downtown where I live. If I go to the Mall downtown on my way home, I see this type of thing endlessly. When I go outside for a ciggie at work, I am in the path of the way to the Social Services office. Parade of young girls just like Amber / Misty with babies going to do whatever so they an get their cheques. We have a generous child benefit system and these girls take it as a way of life. They don't finish school, have these kids, they are all in the system and the ones that suffer are the babies. We have plenty of services availble, but this is still a way out of real life for them. A girl can do better financially on the welfare with a kiddo or two than they could working at even minimum wage which is $ 10.00 and hour last time I looked. Sometimes the paper here does a story about this and the girls say they can't afford to work. If they work, they pay for their own health care premiums and a percentage of any dentists and drug bills. Better off to just suck the sytem dry and the result is that this way of life is passed dwon in a cycle to the next generation.
.     


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: numbersgirl on February 22, 2009, 01:11:53 PM
KatGram...I see things like that were I live, too.  I don't know what these girls are thinking.  They don't give themselves a chance to become adults before they become moms....but the saddest part is these poor kids.  It breaks my heart.  I wish there was a way to turn this lifestyle around. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 01:13:26 PM
Amber is a pretty girl, and looks so young, she looks like a kid playing house. I'd like to take Ron and knock a little sense into him about all these young girlfriends, I'm sorry this makes me so angry, there are many birth control methods out there people.

I agree NRCG...here's what I don't understand.  These under-age girls seem to be able to get ciggies - why don't they spend some of that money on birth control?
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: (Okay, I know it isn't really funny!  But, I couldn't help it!)

Wait...I've got it...These young girls should be allowed to smoke, but only if they hold their ciggie between their knees!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: theboyzmom on February 22, 2009, 01:19:09 PM
Amber is a pretty girl, and looks so young, she looks like a kid playing house. I'd like to take Ron and knock a little sense into him about all these young girlfriends, I'm sorry this makes me so angry, there are many birth control methods out there people.

I agree NRCG...here's what I don't understand.  These under-age girls seem to be able to get ciggies - why don't they spend some of that money on birth control?
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: (Okay, I know it isn't really funny!  But, I couldn't help it!)

Wait...I've got it...These young girls should be allowed to smoke, but only if they hold their ciggie between their knees!

I would buy the ciggys for them if they would agree to sterilization! 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 22, 2009, 01:24:52 PM
I wish I could say this was just a FL or a US thing. Girls having babies.
I work downtown where I live. If I go to the Mall downtown on my way home, I see this type of thing endlessly. When I go outside for a ciggie at work, I am in the path of the way to the Social Services office. Parade of young girls just like Amber / Misty with babies going to do whatever so they an get their cheques. We have a generous child benefit system and these girls take it as a way of life. They don't finish school, have these kids, they are all in the system and the ones that suffer are the babies. We have plenty of services availble, but this is still a way out of real life for them. A girl can do better financially on the welfare with a kiddo or two than they could working at even minimum wage which is $ 10.00 and hour last time I looked. Sometimes the paper here does a story about this and the girls say they can't afford to work. If they work, they pay for their own health care premiums and a percentage of any dentists and drug bills. Better off to just suck the sytem dry and the result is that this way of life is passed dwon in a cycle to the next generation.
.     

I know what you mean.Girls at that age think that love is forever and what better way to keep love forever than by having a baby? It's sad, it isn't right but it just is the way it is! Wanna hear a shocker? There is a couple at my sons school 17/16... they are allowed to spend the night at each others house AND for Christmas both of the mothers got the girl the same sheer pink nightie ::MonkeyShocked:: Now HOW messed up is that? Sorry or the OT but just sayin' I think times have definitely changed!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 22, 2009, 01:29:26 PM
I have been reading back and I can not think of one house that was held as a crime scene for so long either. Hell we KNOW something happened at or around the Ants and they had their house back in two days. As someone here said maybe something about the plumbing... the washing machine might be suspect but that is just one appliance. I was thinking Meth but there are no men in space suits going in and I doubt they would have allowed Misty to go back in there. I really am stumped here as to their innocence. I wonder what Tim Miller thinks about all this?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: GramaMonkey on February 22, 2009, 01:37:12 PM
Amber is a pretty girl, and looks so young, she looks like a kid playing house. I'd like to take Ron and knock a little sense into him about all these young girlfriends, I'm sorry this makes me so angry, there are many birth control methods out there people.

I agree NRCG...here's what I don't understand.  These under-age girls seem to be able to get ciggies - why don't they spend some of that money on birth control?

Birth Control????  Honey, that is the name of this game.  Have kids, no work, live off of someone else, eventually when they get dumped, go on public assistance.  Same story.....different family.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Sassycat on February 22, 2009, 01:37:30 PM
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-22/story/tennessee_cousin_not_a_suspect_in_the_case

Tennessee cousin not a suspect in Haleigh case
A relative of her father's girlfriend left town the day the girl disappeared.
By Paul Pinkham Story updated at 11:40 AM on Sunday, Feb. 22, 2009

A man who visited Haleigh Cummings' family in Satsuma and returned to Tennessee the day she disappeared is not a suspect, police said Saturday as the frustrating search for the missing 5-year-old continued.

Capt. Dick Schauland of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office told reporters during an afternoon briefing that the man, a cousin of Haleigh's father's girlfriend, was interviewed after detectives learned of him early in the investigation and was subsequently ruled out.

The man left Florida after trying to steal a gun from the Cummings' home, according to Haleigh's grandmother. Schauland wouldn't identify him.

"He is family, and we don't want to embarrass family members in any way," Schauland said.

Following all leads

With no sign of Haleigh for 12 days, Schauland said investigators from several agencies are sorting through more than 1,600 leads and have logged more than 4,700 hours on the search. Nearly a third of the department's 17 detectives are working full time on the case, Schauland said.

Volunteer searchers have contributed an additional 4,000 hours combing wooded areas around Haleigh's home, he said.

Haleigh vanished Feb. 10 from the home of her father, Ronald Cummings, and his 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin, who has been questioned several times by detectives as the last person to see her. Croslin said she put Haleigh and her then-3-year-old brother to bed, and when she awoke about 3 a.m., the little girl was gone.

Schauland said there were no official ground searches for Haleigh on Saturday and none planned for today but volunteers were back out Saturday morning.

Trouble with media

Later Saturday, Fox News reporter Geraldo Rivera got into a confrontation with Cummings and was essentially run off the property.

Cummings got upset when Rivera said he'd been told by members of Haleigh's mother's family that Cummings hit the child and has said he is 75 percent sure he knows who has her.

Cummings vehemently denied the allegations and making any such statements and told Rivera he was calling police before pleading again for whoever has his daughter to return her.

Police previously declined to say whether Croslin's cousin was a suspect. Haleigh's grandmother said she told investigators about him.

The cousin left the same morning Haleigh disappeared.

Croslin said Friday the man "messed with her" as a child but she didn't think he was listed as a sex offender.

Police also have been looking into a tip received Thursday night that Haleigh was spotted at a Carrabba's restaurant in Knoxville, Tenn., with a man who drove a red pickup truck.

Schauland didn't discuss that tip; police have previously said they don't know if it has any connection to Haleigh.

Schauland said detectives are considering every tip.

"Some of them end up nowhere, but they have to be run down nonetheless because you never know when the one that's going to solve the case will come up," he said.

paul.pinkham@jacksonville.com, (904) 359-4107


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 22, 2009, 01:38:28 PM
http://208.75.175.18/ovationweb/courtcase.aspx?casetype=Criminal&case=07000652MMMA

Maybe this is why Crystal does not have the kids,  hmmmmm


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 22, 2009, 01:39:56 PM
http://208.75.175.18/ovationweb/courtcase.aspx?casetype=Criminal&case=06000240CFMA

Crystals - Chad record,  hmmmmm

These should be brought forward next to Ron's right?  These are more current, aye?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: GramaMonkey on February 22, 2009, 01:41:26 PM
I have been reading back and I can not think of one house that was held as a crime scene for so long either. Hell we KNOW something happened at or around the Ants and they had their house back in two days. As someone here said maybe something about the plumbing... the washing machine might be suspect but that is just one appliance. I was thinking Meth but there are no men in space suits going in and I doubt they would have allowed Misty to go back in there. I really am stumped here as to their innocence. I wonder what Tim Miller thinks about all this?

They must have recovered 'something' the very day they were there to keep it a crime scene.  I am thinking that they escorted her back in for some reason.  Wow....Tim is probably so happy that he is outtttta there, but sad that they did not find Haleigh.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 22, 2009, 01:42:04 PM
False allegations from the past and Cocaine ....hmmmm


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: GabbyG on February 22, 2009, 01:44:25 PM
I am glad to see I am not the only one who thinks Geraldo is B-rated show at best. Ever notice that he never gets clips in the right place and sound is always off. His technical crew stinks. Probably a family member. LE should really get on HIS case if he comes back.

About the spanking thing. In trying to be to up-front can sink your ship, that is for sure. You can bet Ron has been under the microscope since winning custody. Social services follows up and makes home visits and make reports. At least in NY they do. I am sure he took parent classes.

 I have to tell you this. I spanked!! At about 10 my son told me to F myself. Without ANY thought at all I back-handed him across the lips hard. We do not speak that way and it threw me. I still feel guilty BUT....he has never spoke to me like that again. He is 27.
Wonder what Geraldo would say about that?

At the end and no rise from Ron, He pushes past Geraldo and gets to the camera and begins to beg for his child. This is very telling to me and I believe he does not know where she is and wants her home desperately.    Sorry Geraldo..He didn't snap and we all know that's what you wanted.


Hi Scarrlett     I so agree with your post!! I believe that RC's first priority is to get his daughter back home. Regardless of whether he has a temper or not, it seems he has his priorities straight. He didnt take on Whoraldo, but instead went to the camera for one more chance to beg for his child to be brought home. Although I believe he would have LIKED to let Whoraldo have it, he chose not too which was a very wise decision on his part. He used that time for something much more positive and productive. Just because he speaks differently and is perhaps uneducated to some extent doesnt necessarily mean that he doesnt have good sense and reasoning.

I too was strong on discipline when my children were younger and at home. I was a single mother much of that time, so I had to maintain respect in our home. When my son was 13 he and I had a situation too. I had made biscuits and he decided he didnt want his younger sister to have any. I went to the kitchen and told him to let her have hers, and he took a stand and put his fists up at me. (he was quite a tall and strong, muscled up boy at the time, and I think that may have gone to his head LOL).  I picked up a metal kitchen stool and told him to bring it on. I also told him that I would pick him up and take him to the hospital too, but that if he felt big enough to hit his mother, he needed to understand that she would hit back. It ended right there. He backed off and went to sit outside, and came in later to apologize which gave us all a chance to sit down and talk it through. It was the one and only time he ever challenged me until he graduated and moved out on his own, and he never again tried anything close to that with his sister either. I realize that discipline is abused in some families and that breaks my heart, but there are times even in good families when strong discipline is absolutely necessary IMO.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 22, 2009, 01:47:55 PM
Crystal's was for FALSE REPORT TO LAW AUTHORITY.
..

So, the next time you make a report, true or no, you have no creds.
Drugs seem to be a theme here with Ronald, Crystal, Amber and Misty. And cousins. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 01:49:17 PM
http://208.75.175.18/ovationweb/courtcase.aspx?casetype=Criminal&case=07000652MMMA

Maybe this is why Crystal does not have the kids,  hmmmmm

i doubt it~dates are way off............but, let me say one more thing about me ex and his prior wife, when she went back to court to try and modify the custody arrangements, she was fined $17,000. Her request for modification was that he had been indicted by a grand jury in Illinois and was facing a jury trial and possible prison time........hmm, amazing the judge fined her and left custody with my ex (aka Satan).


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 22, 2009, 01:56:37 PM
Smacking a 13 yr old who is lipping off is not the same as smacking a 39 pound little girl.
Haleigh is small for her age I think. My two yr. old GD is 29 pounds. She does not get spanked. Her hand gets tapped and she is talked to and sometimes she gets a time out.
It works and she understands.
The ten yr old has never been spanked. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 02:10:27 PM
Smacking a 13 yr old who is lipping off is not the same as smacking a 39 pound little girl.
Haleigh is small for her age I think. My two yr. old GD is 29 pounds. She does not get spanked. Her hand gets tapped and she is talked to and sometimes she gets a time out.
It works and she understands.
The ten yr old has never been spanked. 

Thanks for this post......it is indeed far different to smack a teenageer than a kindergartener, not that I'm stating as fact that he did hit her, but the DCF statement makes me wonder if they had to get involved to explain to him how he can/cannot disciple his children. Plus, I do see him as an abuser........and if you will hit your gf/wife you will hit your kids.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2009, 02:20:45 PM
Smacking a 13 yr old who is lipping off is not the same as smacking a 39 pound little girl.
Haleigh is small for her age I think. My two yr. old GD is 29 pounds. She does not get spanked. Her hand gets tapped and she is talked to and sometimes she gets a time out.
It works and she understands.
The ten yr old has never been spanked. 

Thanks for this post......it is indeed far different to smack a teenageer than a kindergartener, not that I'm stating as fact that he did hit her, but the DCF statement makes me wonder if they had to get involved to explain to him how he can/cannot disciple his children. Plus, I do see him as an abuser........and if you will hit your gf/wife you will hit your kids.
I sure see that look in his eyes of an abuser, I have to say he scared me last night on Geraldo, even my hubby who doesn't pay much attention to these cases, made a comment of how mean he looked. We both thought he was going to punch Geraldo.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: janetruth on February 22, 2009, 02:21:45 PM
Smacking a 13 yr old who is lipping off is not the same as smacking a 39 pound little girl.
Haleigh is small for her age I think. My two yr. old GD is 29 pounds. She does not get spanked. Her hand gets tapped and she is talked to and sometimes she gets a time out.
It works and she understands.
The ten yr old has never been spanked. 

Thanks for this post......it is indeed far different to smack a teenageer than a kindergartener, not that I'm stating as fact that he did hit her, but the DCF statement makes me wonder if they had to get involved to explain to him how he can/cannot disciple his children. Plus, I do see him as an abuser........and if you will hit your gf/wife you will hit your kids.

Somebody said that it's required in Florida, to take a parenting class in cases of divorce and custody.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 02:23:22 PM
Smacking a 13 yr old who is lipping off is not the same as smacking a 39 pound little girl.
Haleigh is small for her age I think. My two yr. old GD is 29 pounds. She does not get spanked. Her hand gets tapped and she is talked to and sometimes she gets a time out.
It works and she understands.
The ten yr old has never been spanked. 

Thanks for this post......it is indeed far different to smack a teenageer than a kindergartener, not that I'm stating as fact that he did hit her, but the DCF statement makes me wonder if they had to get involved to explain to him how he can/cannot disciple his children. Plus, I do see him as an abuser........and if you will hit your gf/wife you will hit your kids.
I sure see that look in his eyes of an abuser, I have to say he scared me last night on Geraldo, even my hubby who doesn't pay much attention to these cases, made a comment of how mean he looked. We both thought he was going to punch Geraldo.

He sure did~I think if it wasn't for his family jumping in, he very well might have......aslo, I think his mother is an enabler and can see none of his actions as irresponsible nor criminal ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 02:24:52 PM
Smacking a 13 yr old who is lipping off is not the same as smacking a 39 pound little girl.
Haleigh is small for her age I think. My two yr. old GD is 29 pounds. She does not get spanked. Her hand gets tapped and she is talked to and sometimes she gets a time out.
It works and she understands.
The ten yr old has never been spanked. 

Thanks for this post......it is indeed far different to smack a teenageer than a kindergartener, not that I'm stating as fact that he did hit her, but the DCF statement makes me wonder if they had to get involved to explain to him how he can/cannot disciple his children. Plus, I do see him as an abuser........and if you will hit your gf/wife you will hit your kids.

Somebody said that it's required in Florida, to take a parenting class in cases of divorce and custody.

yes it is~but if you read all the custody transcripts he admits he hasn't taken his and bio mom had her certificate of completion..........I guess this was just one more time he's skirted the law.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2009, 02:26:27 PM
I thought Ron and Crystal were never married? Do I have that wrong? ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 02:30:08 PM
I thought Ron and Crystal were never married? Do I have that wrong? ::MonkeyEek::

no, you are correct..............


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 22, 2009, 02:41:02 PM
They were never married. She had the kids and he had visitation. He kept them after one of the visits. She tried ( very weakly IMO ) to get them back and didn't. That's why these custody papers are on line for us to look at. lol 
Now that the sh%t has hit the fan, Crystal and her family are bringing forward their past issues with him having custody. Pot calling kettle black as far as I am concerned.
She seemed very uninvolved with what was going on with Haleigh recently. Didn't seem to know too much. Why did the kid miss school ? I don't know. meantime, the GM said the kid had been in the hosptial alot. Did she go to school on the Monday. I don't know seemd to be the favorite anwser on NG.   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 22, 2009, 02:42:32 PM
I hope they ban Geraldo mout of the state of Florida, He got just what he came to Satsuma for, trouble....Then he went home and collected his money and never gave it another thought while now everything in Satsuma is up in arms!   I hate Geraldo......He needs to stick to reporting the weather, maybe another wave will get him!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Babybear on February 22, 2009, 02:50:41 PM
Hi Monks.  Hope everyone is having a good weekend. 

I, too, saw Geraldo last night and I was appalled.  Geraldo was acting like a big bully.  I didn't understand his being all lovey-dovey with Crystal and so combative with Ronald.  IMO both their credibility is in question.  Except for one thing.  It is unusual for a judge to award custody of minor children to a father when a mother is available and willing.  So please keep in mind that Crystal is no angel, although that is the impression Geraldo tried to convey.

Drugs have have permeated every strata of our society.  From people like Ronald and Crystal to multi-millionnaire movie stars.  Until this country is willing to tackle this problem head on it will only get worse.  Our border with Mexico is so open that millions of dollars of drugs are brought in every day.  If a couple of border guards try to prevent it, they are prosecuted and jailed.  No wonder those whose duty it is to guard the border hesitate to do their job.

I don't keep up with sports so I don't recall the name of the multi-gold medal swimming star, but i'm speaking of the one who was pictured on the front of a London tabloid smoking marijuana.  He was not prosecuted and many people not only wondered, but wondered aloud what he had done that was so wrong, and that included Geraldo Rivera.  Every person who uses cocaine or meth started small.  That doesn't mean that every pothead will use harder drugs, only that those who do started that way and most of the hugh grade marijuana comes across the Mexican border. Every person who uses illegal drugs is contributing to that cross border drug trade. And Geraldo Rivera is one who is opposed to stepping up protection of our borders.

And these young girls who have babies and live with men at 16 and 17.  Where are their parents?  Or more likely, where is their mother since the father is missing in most cases?  The posters on this forum who say they raised children alone and apparently did a fine job at it are to be commended and I in no way wish to cast aspersions on you.  But for every one of you who raised decent children, there are probably 10,000 who did not. Sadly, you are the exception.

Ronald Cummings is somewhat different from the norm in that he did not abandon his two children.  He fought for custody of them.  I can think of no other case of which I am aware where this happened, although I admit my knowledge of this is limited.  I know of the problem only by what I read and see.  Apparently he has worked at the job he has for several years and  that, too, is unusual in that socioeconomic level of society.  Many of the young men in his position work long enough to get workers' compensation and then get another job when it expires.  The cycle repeats. And they continue to impregnate young girls and abandon them.

I don't know what happened to Hayleigh but it seemed to me when I saw Ronald's attitude last night, that he truly loves the little girl.  I thought that Geraldo was out of line in his manner of asking questions of Ronald, but not of Crystal.  Of course, Geraldo is a  well-established womanizer who trades his wife in for a newer model quite often.  I remember how he swore his devotion to C.C. a few years ago, but then he met the present one and good-bye C.C.  He only differs from the people in that trailer court by the amount of money he has made, better and more expensive clothing, better grammar,  and his name recognition.

While watching Geraldo Rivera last night, I wondered where he was when the hard questions needed to be asked of Cindy and George Anthony?  Oh yes, we know, he was on his yacht entertaining Jose Baez. IMO there is indisputable  evidence to charge the Anthonys with several crimes, yet Rivera praises that fool George Anthony for going to Samsuta to "Support" Ronald.  Again, George and Cindy are better-looking people who use better grammar, but they have produced a child-murdering daughter, which Rivera overlooks in his fawning over them and their attorney. 

I am not willing to condemn anyone on the basis of a "Gut feeling" or a hit on my "Hinky meter."  Nor am I willing to condemn anyone on the basis of Geraldo Rivera's say-so.  I only pray that Hayleigh will return to her family safe and sound and that the person responsible for her abduction be prosecuted.  As of now, I cannot accuse anyone.

When Mark Lunsford's daughter Jessica was taken and murdered, I saw a side of myself I did not like very much.  I suspected that, because of Mark's appearance and manner of speaking he must have had a hand in it.  We saw that he was perfectly innocent and his heart was broken.  I hope that I will never, ever repeat that.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2009, 02:50:43 PM
Thanks, I didn't think they were ever married. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2009, 02:53:19 PM
Babybear totally agree with you on the drug problem, and it was Michael Phelps the Olympic swimmer that was photographed with the bong.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 22, 2009, 03:00:45 PM
one more thing about what Geraldo has done, at a time like this when every available police officer is needed to help find Haleigh, he just gave them extra work to do, did he think about that.   NO ONLY MONEY!!!!!!STAY HOME GERALDO!!!!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: flamom on February 22, 2009, 03:05:13 PM
Great post BabyBear


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 22, 2009, 03:19:42 PM
I will be sending Geraldo at Large a very Large Letter tomorrow to discuss his actions and total disregards for this little girl being missing in exchange for higher show ratings.......... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: sandy leiva on February 22, 2009, 03:22:36 PM
Hiya Monkeys! ::MonkeyDance:: The State of Florida requires all divorcing couples with children to complete a parenting class prior to having their divorce finalized

not true   not all couples, my brother and his x wife 3 yrs divorced with lil children and a teenager never had to go to parenting classes, nor councelling.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2009, 03:28:32 PM
I will be sending Geraldo at Large a very Large Letter tomorrow to discuss his actions and total disregards for this little girl being missing in exchange for higher show ratings.......... ::MonkeyNoNo::
Tell him to just cover hurricanes and do us all a favor. ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 22, 2009, 03:47:54 PM
I will be sending Geraldo at Large a very Large Letter tomorrow to discuss his actions and total disregards for this little girl being missing in exchange for higher show ratings.......... ::MonkeyNoNo::
Tell him to just cover hurricanes and do us all a favor. ::MonkeyDance::
Amen, that is were he belongs, that way nobody is in danger but him!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: flamom on February 22, 2009, 04:07:01 PM
Hiya Monkeys! ::MonkeyDance:: The State of Florida requires all divorcing couples with children to complete a parenting class prior to having their divorce finalized

not true   not all couples, my brother and his x wife 3 yrs divorced with lil children and a teenager never had to go to parenting classes, nor councelling.
sandy, how long ago? we HAD to go, no choice, and we were amicable

http://www.laskylawfirm.com/PracticeAreas/Parenting-Classes-Divorce.asp
If you are a parent seeking a dissolution of marriage in Florida, you will have to participate in one of the various parenting classes offered throughout the state. Though the formats vary from county to county, each circuit has some type of program to help assist and educate parents with the needs of their children as the family navigates through the divorce process.

Children First in Divorce
Here in Jacksonville, Florida, parents are required to complete the Children First in Divorce Program. It is a program offered via Hope Haven Children's Clinic. Please note that both spouses must complete the class before the court will grant a divorce.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 22, 2009, 04:22:45 PM
New Topic.  Who thinks Misty is getting lawyered up?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 22, 2009, 04:29:06 PM
There have been some cases where the wrong ppl were considered poi's by us and the media... Chandra Levy .. Lunsford.. Ed Smart .. and I do remember the media's hincky meter going off in the Groene case on the Dad and someone Brenda Groene knew.
BTW Mr. Groene is dying from cancer. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2009, 04:32:11 PM
New Topic.  Who thinks Misty is getting lawyered up?
I do, I do, can't believe it hasn't happened sooner, also Ron can't believe he doesn't have a lawyer.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2009, 04:32:53 PM
There have been some cases where the wrong ppl were considered poi's by us and the media... Chandra Levy .. Lunsford.. Ed Smart .. and I do remember the media's hincky meter going off in the Groene case on the Dad and someone Brenda Groene knew.
BTW Mr. Groene is dying from cancer. 
Yes I heard that, how sad.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: flamom on February 22, 2009, 04:37:26 PM
There have been some cases where the wrong ppl were considered poi's by us and the media... Chandra Levy .. Lunsford.. Ed Smart .. and I do remember the media's hincky meter going off in the Groene case on the Dad and someone Brenda Groene knew.
BTW Mr. Groene is dying from cancer. 
Shasta's dad?  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 22, 2009, 04:42:44 PM
New Topic.  Who thinks Misty is getting lawyered up?
I do, I do, can't believe it hasn't happened sooner, also Ron can't believe he doesn't have a lawyer.

Ron seems to me like he is already talking to someone.  JMO by the way he is talking and handling the media opportunities.  Also I would find it hard to believe w/his mother working in the sheriffs office that he would not be seeking some sort of counseling even if it is over the phone.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 22, 2009, 04:43:40 PM
I thought for sure Ed Smart and John Ramsey were both guilty.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: flamom on February 22, 2009, 04:45:24 PM
I may be wrong, but unless some lawyer offers his services to Misty, IMO she seems to be too unknowing to lawyer up.
I tried to put that as charitably as I could...  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 22, 2009, 04:45:33 PM
There have been some cases where the wrong ppl were considered poi's by us and the media... Chandra Levy .. Lunsford.. Ed Smart .. and I do remember the media's hincky meter going off in the Groene case on the Dad and someone Brenda Groene knew.
BTW Mr. Groene is dying from cancer. 
Yes I heard that, how sad.

Mr. Groene, is that Shasta;s father?? Have not heard that he is dying...how very sad...

back to Geraldo and Ron...I was appalled in the way that he ambushed Ron really! I thought that it was cruel under the circumstances where there is a child missing...totally out of line in my opinion.'
In regards to Crystal...She said something along the line of that she had to get out of the relationship with Ron because he was abusive to her and for her own good she had to stay away...Ok....but you leave your 2 small children with someone that you are afraid of...that's it, save yourself but leave your defenseless children with your abuser...makes total sense to me... ::MonkeyNoNo:: While I am at it, what about these grand parents? if they thought that Haleigh was being abused by the father, why didn't they step in to get custody or at least take the children at night to ease his load of working and stress of raising his children without a mother there? If anyone was abusing my grand kids, I would be right there in their face....And another thing, if my children were taken from me, I would stay in the same area as they were so that I could see them more often than every two weeks...I would be able to attend their school functions and perhaps Ron would have even let her have the kids more, especially during the evening hours that he was working and then he would not have to depend on a 17 yr old girl to help him care for his kids...This mother is not innocent in any of this...she could have taken more of an interest in her children's welfare in my opinion...Instead, she goes to another town with another man and creates another baby! this whole situation really pisses me off....poor babies...I wonder what will happen now with the children? will they be taken away? I think that Ron loves his kids. does anyone know if he has anything to do with Jordan, his child with Amber I think?
Pray that Haleigh is found alive and returned to her family...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: flamom on February 22, 2009, 04:46:18 PM
I thought for sure Ed Smart and John Ramsey were both guilty.
Ditto.. me too fatcat 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 04:47:57 PM
I thought for sure Ed Smart and John Ramsey were both guilty.

Out of all of those listed earlier, Gary Condit was the only one I thought was guilty.....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 04:54:03 PM
I have a question about RC's rap sheet........WTH is Maintaing a Drug Vehicle?? I have never heard of that charge until now---------anyone else know ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: flamom on February 22, 2009, 04:57:24 PM
Maybe using his car to deliver or store his drugs? Here is Fla they have the option to seize your vehicle


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 05:00:38 PM
The anger coming from Ron to Geraldo was scary, if there wouldn't have been an audience and cameras, Ron looks like he would have hauled azz and knocked Geraldo to the ground, and who knows what else. ::MonkeyShocked::

I do agree with that but Im not sure its not warranted - both families are slinging alot of dirt but Im not finding Crystal credible at all either
I don't believe any of them, and unfortunately the children are the ones that have to suffer.

Yup, that is exactly what I said earlier...children are the victims of selfish idiot adults

Dottie, I see dishonesty in Crystal, her fear is that she knows shes lying but she is also aware of Ron's temper so why she would push this at this time is beyond anyone with logic.    One has to ask why Crystal isnt being questioned  by LE if her accusations have merit or paperwork leads them to investigate further
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I have talked to and seen battered and abused women and it's very common for their body language and eye contact to be just like Crystals.  They are afraid to speak for fear of retribution, they have shame and guilt.  Why would she push this at this time?  Because her child is missing and if she has any knowledge that something could have happened to Hayleigh at her fathers hand she has every right to speak her mind.  She was honest about the cocaine use....she said they were both using...I think she deserves credit for that, she could have just said he was using.  His anger has bothered me from the start.  I don't think you have to stretch the imagination too far to believe that he abused her.

This is a very accurate description of Crystal, Dottie, IMO. Also, of course, Ron wants the focus off of him. Additionally, looking someone defiantly and angrily in the eye is an act of aggression, not "honesty."

His last sentence gave me the chills: "I'm always gonna believe she's alive, until they find her." It goes back to his statement on "day one" (TM Cindy Anthony) "I'd give my life to have my child's life back."





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 22, 2009, 05:00:59 PM
I have a question about RC's rap sheet........WTH is Maintaing a Drug Vehicle?? I have never heard of that charge until now---------anyone else know ::MonkeyTongue::

I think it's just a way for the state to seize your vehicle.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 22, 2009, 05:04:12 PM
Ronald's work alibi and work behavior must check out w/LE because I'd think there would be any number of ways to hide a body on a construction site. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 05:10:09 PM
Maybe using his car to deliver or store his drugs? Here is Fla they have the option to seize your vehicle

I looked but couldn't find the exact statute......I did find 3 cases in Florida where someone was arrested on this charge, they were either selling/dealing drugs out of their car, or delivering drugs.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 22, 2009, 05:31:22 PM
O WHOA   Foxnews just reported a fake website "FINDHALEIGH.COM" that the family knew nothing about & that the site is no longer receiving donations..hmmmmmm you thinking what Im thinking?


Administrative Contact , Technical Contact :   
   Pine Victorian Bed and Breakfast   
   info@findhaleigh.com 
   106 E. Bonita #30
   Payson, AZ 85541 
   US 
   Phone: 928-978-4018 
     
   Record expires on 17-Feb-2010   
   Record created on 17-Feb-2009 
   Database last updated on 17-Feb-2009 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Mary on February 22, 2009, 05:40:18 PM
I wonder if our friendly reporter could check that out. Kathy would love to catch them again.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 22, 2009, 05:47:23 PM
This was posted on Joe Overstreet's Myspace by someone named Thomas, the one he hasn't used since 05/08

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=380818970



 Feb 22 2009 10:56 AM

just go back down there and help find the lil girl it just might clear your name 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 05:50:14 PM
Good morning monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

Meet Amber, the other babymama of Ron's, along with his other son, Jordan. 

And check out Misty's 'welcome to myspace' greeting:    ::MonkeyEek::

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511)


::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: Yikes!!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyShocked:: She has no clue about what is on her page, last log in was
Female
19 years old
PALATKA, Florida
United States



Last Login: 5/1/2008

Hmmmm... I am 'myspace challenged'.  Don't folks have to approve someone as their friend, before they can post under comments?  Seems that Amber didn't have to.  Unless Misty joined as her friend awhile back and just waited a long time to make a comment. 


Yes they do, but Misty used to babyit for Amber~that's how she met Ron, and most likely why she was a "friend"......

WOW.....Speechless with all the cusing and comment over a man... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 22, 2009, 05:55:52 PM
I know this is dead, but here is a pic w/Joe and Misty.  They look like they can't stand each other...not.

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=86604390&albumID=1512966&imageID=24140156


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: NewfieMonkey on February 22, 2009, 06:01:26 PM
WOW.....Speechless with all the cusing and comment over a man... ::MonkeyTongue::
And she is using the term "man" loosely!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on February 22, 2009, 06:05:50 PM
O WHOA   Foxnews just reported a fake website "FINDHALEIGH.COM" that the family knew nothing about & that the site is no longer receiving donations..hmmmmmm you thinking what Im thinking?


Administrative Contact , Technical Contact :   
   Pine Victorian Bed and Breakfast   
   info@findhaleigh.com 
   106 E. Bonita #30
   Payson, AZ 85541 
   US 
   Phone: 928-978-4018 
     
   Record expires on 17-Feb-2010   
   Record created on 17-Feb-2009 
   Database last updated on 17-Feb-2009 

From the website findhaleigh.com
Where have we seen this BarbiBabies before?I saw it last week I think....may be linked to the KidFinders website?Notice they can't even spell Haleigh's name correctly.
From the guest book at the link below:


 
Date  February 21, 2009 
Name  barbi squire 
Email  barbibabies@aol.com 
Home Page   
City  Satsuma 
State  Fl 
Country   
 Comments  I am a family member of Haligh Cummings, we don't know anyone from this site. We have know idea where the monies donated are going. Please beware of fraud accounts posing as our family.

 http://findhaleigh.com/home.html



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 06:06:28 PM
Just Thinking out loud...

Now if Ron thinks his new theory someone did this out of retaliation then what about Jr

his son? Jr. needs to be in a safe home away from all of this....  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 06:09:01 PM
WOW.....Speechless with all the cusing and comment over a man... ::MonkeyTongue::
And she is using the term "man" loosely!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 22, 2009, 06:15:29 PM
I don't know, I'm beginning to believe we may be coming full circle on this...we'll see what tomorrow brings.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 06:22:32 PM
I am just thinking out loud again.. ::MonkeyTongue::

Have they cleared Ron vehicle?   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 06:26:45 PM
::MonkeyTongue::  Ok~was it just ME or did anyone else find it odd that he stated "we had an agreement and she would get spankings, just like DCS says is proper" Geez, I never have once hadto consult DCS in the discipline of my children and that he even raised that point is a red flag to me.....WHY?
Yes, I found it very odd and the part about "Daddy.. daughter... we had an agreement." YIKES. As someone upthread mentioned, I wonder what Haleigh'e side of that agreement was.





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 06:27:38 PM

Yes, and the drug use would be an important factor as to the type of people he associated with, owed money to, partied with in the home...etc.  
I agree and additionally, drugs speak to poor impulse control, poor judgment, aggressive outbursts, memory issues, decision making, insight.... It is very relevant IMO.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 06:37:49 PM
WOW.....Speechless with all the cusing and comment over a man... ::MonkeyTongue::
And she is using the term "man" loosely!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 06:38:49 PM
I am just thinking out loud again.. ::MonkeyTongue::

Have they cleared Ron vehicle?   ::MonkeyEek::

I don't know~I just know that have one vehicle impounded, but they wont say whose is is ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 06:40:49 PM
Neither family is perfect that's a fact.  Both Ronald and Crystal have both done drugs.  WHERE IS HALEIGH and do any of them, Ronald, Misty, Crystal have anything to do with Haleigh missing. 
Geraldo needs to go home.
Klaas~maybe you'd remember this, but wasn't RC on the search twith TES when he mentioned to either TM or someone with TES that he was afraid it was retribution or retaliation fromsomething he'd done. It's in these threads, I just wondered if you remeber where?
TIA
I don't remember, sorry.
I think when Ron throw out there about the idea of retaliation is nothing but hogwash.. Their throwing out alibies him and Misty to take the investagation away from them..Ron should of been sent to anger management a long time ago.. In my oppinion he should not have custody of the children and I be worried about the other child Jr. When the 911 call came in Ron in the background all ready started saying about who ever took her and hes got a gun and will kill him raised a red flag to me..

I think the 911 call was staged.. His fake cries and Misty's trying to make herself cry and all their inconsistencies.. It makes you wonder what really did happen that evening...I would like to know if Ron had a life insurance policy on Haleigh.. ::MonkeyTongue::
So.Much.Word. And if Misty is such a "dumb effing b**** " and as incompetent as Ron conends, then why is she assigned the important duty of making the 911 call as he huffs and spews and curses and threatens in the background as evidenced on the recording. Why isn't HE making the 911 call? (And FWIW, perps typically are not the ones to make the call. They generally prefer to have someone else do it. Sorry - don't have a link, so that is merely a generalization, but applicable IMO.)

I too would like to hear from AC man, Misty's brother who visited that Monday, Ron's co-workers, and to see Ron's time card; And I'd also like to hear a statement from ANYONE other than Misty and Ron as to when and where Haleigh was last seen.

Also, I  have to wonder if they're checking the plumbing or have already found something to warrant the taping off of that trailor for this long time frame. It's not a huge area to cover like, for example, the Ramsay home (Jon Benet)  so the size is not the issue. 

Geraldo chapped my rear many times in the past, but he did an excellent job this time IMO. He's redeemed himself.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 06:47:07 PM
Neither family is perfect that's a fact.  Both Ronald and Crystal have both done drugs.  WHERE IS HALEIGH and do any of them, Ronald, Misty, Crystal have anything to do with Haleigh missing. 
Geraldo needs to go home.
Klaas~maybe you'd remember this, but wasn't RC on the search twith TES when he mentioned to either TM or someone with TES that he was afraid it was retribution or retaliation fromsomething he'd done. It's in these threads, I just wondered if you remeber where?
TIA
I don't remember, sorry.
I think when Ron throw out there about the idea of retaliation is nothing but hogwash.. Their throwing out alibies him and Misty to take the investagation away from them..Ron should of been sent to anger management a long time ago.. In my oppinion he should not have custody of the children and I be worried about the other child Jr. When the 911 call came in Ron in the background all ready started saying about who ever took her and hes got a gun and will kill him raised a red flag to me..

I think the 911 call was staged.. His fake cries and Misty's trying to make herself cry and all their inconsistencies.. It makes you wonder what really did happen that evening...I would like to know if Ron had a life insurance policy on Haleigh.. ::MonkeyTongue::
So.Much.Word. And if Misty is such a "dumb effing b**** " and as incompetent as Ron conends, then why is she assigned the important duty of making the 911 call as he huffs and spews and curses and threatens in the background as evidenced on the recording. Why isn't HE making the 911 call? (And FWIW, perps typically are not the ones to make the call. They generally prefer to have someone else do it. Sorry - don't have a link, so that is merely a generalization, but applicable IMO.)

I too would like to hear from AC man, Misty's brother who visited that Monday, Ron's co-workers, and to see Ron's time card; And I'd also like to hear a statement from ANYONE other than Misty and Ron as to when and where Haleigh was last seen.

Also, I  have to wonder if they're checking the plumbing or have already found something to warrant the taping off of that trailor for this long time frame. It's not a huge area to cover like, for example, the Ramsay home (Jon Benet)  so the size is not the issue. 

Geraldo chapped my rear many times in the past, but he did an excellent job this time IMO. He's redeemed himself.


The 911 call seemed contrived to me, one minute weepy and the next defiant and dropping f-bombs, cursing the gf, 911 operator etc.....I too wonder why the trailer hasn't been released, it just makes NO sense to me to hold it this long unless they have indeed found something and still I've never heard anything being held from the family this long.

I also would LOVE to hear from anyone other than Misty or Ron who actually saw Haleigh after school that day, otherwise the timeline is too broad ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 06:58:52 PM
Neither family is perfect that's a fact.  Both Ronald and Crystal have both done drugs.  WHERE IS HALEIGH and do any of them, Ronald, Misty, Crystal have anything to do with Haleigh missing. 
Geraldo needs to go home.
Klaas~maybe you'd remember this, but wasn't RC on the search twith TES when he mentioned to either TM or someone with TES that he was afraid it was retribution or retaliation fromsomething he'd done. It's in these threads, I just wondered if you remeber where?
TIA
I don't remember, sorry.
I think when Ron throw out there about the idea of retaliation is nothing but hogwash.. Their throwing out alibies him and Misty to take the investagation away from them..Ron should of been sent to anger management a long time ago.. In my oppinion he should not have custody of the children and I be worried about the other child Jr. When the 911 call came in Ron in the background all ready started saying about who ever took her and hes got a gun and will kill him raised a red flag to me..

I think the 911 call was staged.. His fake cries and Misty's trying to make herself cry and all their inconsistencies.. It makes you wonder what really did happen that evening...I would like to know if Ron had a life insurance policy on Haleigh.. ::MonkeyTongue::
So.Much.Word. And if Misty is such a "dumb effing b**** " and as incompetent as Ron conends, then why is she assigned the important duty of making the 911 call as he huffs and spews and curses and threatens in the background as evidenced on the recording. Why isn't HE making the 911 call? (And FWIW, perps typically are not the ones to make the call. They generally prefer to have someone else do it. Sorry - don't have a link, so that is merely a generalization, but applicable IMO.)

I too would like to hear from AC man, Misty's brother who visited that Monday, Ron's co-workers, and to see Ron's time card; And I'd also like to hear a statement from ANYONE other than Misty and Ron as to when and where Haleigh was last seen.

Also, I  have to wonder if they're checking the plumbing or have already found something to warrant the taping off of that trailor for this long time frame. It's not a huge area to cover like, for example, the Ramsay home (Jon Benet)  so the size is not the issue. 

Geraldo chapped my rear many times in the past, but he did an excellent job this time IMO. He's redeemed himself.


The 911 call seemed contrived to me, one minute weepy and the next defiant and dropping f-bombs, cursing the gf, 911 operator etc.....I too wonder why the trailer hasn't been released, it just makes NO sense to me to hold it this long unless they have indeed found something and still I've never heard anything being held from the family this long.

I also would LOVE to hear from anyone other than Misty or Ron who actually saw Haleigh after school that day, otherwise the timeline is too broad ::MonkeyNoNo::

I wonder with all of Ron's verbally abusing young teenages girls as his GF's that he actually

hates women....I wonder if all his GF's were young teenagers easily control. He's not a man in

my book..I guess he can't get a girl his age... I am going to say this and dont throw any

nanners @ me its been bothering me...IMO...An child (teenagers)abuser or is he a closet

pedofile?? ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2009, 06:59:25 PM
Just Thinking out loud...

Now if Ron thinks his new theory someone did this out of retaliation then what about Jr

his son? Jr. needs to be in a safe home away from all of this....  ::MonkeyTongue::
Excellent question, what about the little boy? And what family is he staying with?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2009, 07:02:11 PM
Jerseygirl...you asked the question that I have been wondering, no nanner throwing from me. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 07:04:24 PM
Jerseygirl...you asked the question that I have been wondering, no nanner throwing from me. ::MonkeyTongue::

I am glad you did not throw a nanner @ me. This has been bothering me and I needed to

get it out of my system... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 07:06:15 PM
Neither family is perfect that's a fact.  Both Ronald and Crystal have both done drugs.  WHERE IS HALEIGH and do any of them, Ronald, Misty, Crystal have anything to do with Haleigh missing. 
Geraldo needs to go home.
Klaas~maybe you'd remember this, but wasn't RC on the search twith TES when he mentioned to either TM or someone with TES that he was afraid it was retribution or retaliation fromsomething he'd done. It's in these threads, I just wondered if you remeber where?
TIA
I don't remember, sorry.
I think when Ron throw out there about the idea of retaliation is nothing but hogwash.. Their throwing out alibies him and Misty to take the investagation away from them..Ron should of been sent to anger management a long time ago.. In my oppinion he should not have custody of the children and I be worried about the other child Jr. When the 911 call came in Ron in the background all ready started saying about who ever took her and hes got a gun and will kill him raised a red flag to me..

I think the 911 call was staged.. His fake cries and Misty's trying to make herself cry and all their inconsistencies.. It makes you wonder what really did happen that evening...I would like to know if Ron had a life insurance policy on Haleigh.. ::MonkeyTongue::
So.Much.Word. And if Misty is such a "dumb effing b**** " and as incompetent as Ron conends, then why is she assigned the important duty of making the 911 call as he huffs and spews and curses and threatens in the background as evidenced on the recording. Why isn't HE making the 911 call? (And FWIW, perps typically are not the ones to make the call. They generally prefer to have someone else do it. Sorry - don't have a link, so that is merely a generalization, but applicable IMO.)

I too would like to hear from AC man, Misty's brother who visited that Monday, Ron's co-workers, and to see Ron's time card; And I'd also like to hear a statement from ANYONE other than Misty and Ron as to when and where Haleigh was last seen.

Also, I  have to wonder if they're checking the plumbing or have already found something to warrant the taping off of that trailor for this long time frame. It's not a huge area to cover like, for example, the Ramsay home (Jon Benet)  so the size is not the issue. 

Geraldo chapped my rear many times in the past, but he did an excellent job this time IMO. He's redeemed himself.


The 911 call seemed contrived to me, one minute weepy and the next defiant and dropping f-bombs, cursing the gf, 911 operator etc.....I too wonder why the trailer hasn't been released, it just makes NO sense to me to hold it this long unless they have indeed found something and still I've never heard anything being held from the family this long.

I also would LOVE to hear from anyone other than Misty or Ron who actually saw Haleigh after school that day, otherwise the timeline is too broad ::MonkeyNoNo::

I wonder with all of Ron's verbally abusing young teenages girls as his GF's that he actually

hates women....I wonder if all his GF's were young teenagers easily control. He's not a man in

my book..I guess he can't get a girl his age... I am going to say this and dont throw any

nanners @ me its been bothering me...IMO...An child (teenagers)abuser or is he a closet

pedofile?? ::MonkeyTongue::

Under Fl Statutes, he could be considered a SO .....

You are right, IMO he is not a man, he's a bully who preys on young, naive and vunerable girls who are easy to control.......this speaks volumes to me in terms of self esteem issues. I think he knows that no woman his age would put up with his BS.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 22, 2009, 07:06:32 PM
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-22/story/fox_anchor_banned_from_camp_of_missing_girls_father

Fox anchor banned from camp of missing girl's father
Geraldo Rivera was issued a trespass warning on Saturday

By Deirdre Conner Story updated at 6:44 PM on Sunday, Feb. 22, 2009

No new information about Haleigh Cummings’ whereabouts materialized on Sunday.

But as the search for the missing Putnam County girl closed out its 13th day, the case took a surreal turn as her family’s conflict became fodder for national television.

It all started Saturday afternoon, when police responded to a disturbance at the trailer park where Haleigh’s mother’s family and father’s family are camped out at opposite ends of the road.

The disturbance began after Geraldo Rivera, anchor of the Fox News Channel’s “Geraldo at Large,” accosted Ronald Cummings, Haleigh’s father, at the camper where he has been living. It ended with a trespass warning for Rivera, and shortly thereafter, the broadcast of his contentious interview. Read the transcript here.

Geraldo asked him about allegations that he used illegal drugs, was physically and verbally abusive of Sheffield — most of them detailed in a Thursday story in the Times-Union — which he denied.

Cummings got even more upset when Rivera said he’d been told by members of Haleigh’s mother’s family that Cummings hit the child and has said he is 75 percent sure he knows who has her. Shortly thereafter, family members ran Rivera and his crew off the property.

Putnam County Sheriff’s deputies arrived on the scene later, and issued Rivera the trespass warning at the request of the two property owners on whose land the Cummings family is camping while their trailer remains closed off as a crime scene. A trespass warning means Rivera would be arrested if he came back onto the property. Rivera told deputies he understood and stated he would not come back to the address, but declined to sign the trespass warning, according to a sheriff’s office report.

A Fox News spokeswoman provided partial transcripts of the interviews, but said she was unable to make anyone from the show available for comment on the run-in.

In Rivera’s later interview with Sheffield and her mother, she repeated those allegations, but said she still believes that Cummings loves Haleigh.

On Sunday, neither parent was speaking to the media. Haleigh’s paternal grandmother, Teresa Neves, issued yet another plea for people nationwide to keep an eye out for her granddaughter.

Official police searches of that area have stilled, but detectives from the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office are still tracking down leads, said Capt. Dick Schauland.

Still, groups of volunteers from as far away as Brunswick, Ga. continued to look for the girl in the nearby area. And well-wishers still flowed into the two campgrounds to lend support, bringing everything from breakfast burritos to stuffed animals to hand-penned prayers for Haleigh’s safe return.

Haleigh disappeared on Feb. 10 from the home of Cummings, who had official custody, and his 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin, who has been questioned several times by detectives as the last person to see her. Croslin said she put Haleigh and her then-3-year-old brother to bed, and when she awoke about 3 a.m., the little girl was gone.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 07:08:45 PM
A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, "sexual activity" means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another; however, sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose.

http://www.ageofconsent.com/florida.htm


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Searching on February 22, 2009, 07:14:41 PM
I am glad to see I am not the only one who thinks Geraldo is B-rated show at best. Ever notice that he never gets clips in the right place and sound is always off. His technical crew stinks. Probably a family member. LE should really get on HIS case if he comes back.

About the spanking thing. In trying to be to up-front can sink your ship, that is for sure. You can bet Ron has been under the microscope since winning custody. Social services follows up and makes home visits and make reports. At least in NY they do. I am sure he took parent classes.

 I have to tell you this. I spanked!! At about 10 my son told me to F myself. Without ANY thought at all I back-handed him across the lips hard. We do not speak that way and it threw me. I still feel guilty BUT....he has never spoke to me like that again. He is 27.
Wonder what Geraldo would say about that?

At the end and no rise from Ron, He pushes past Geraldo and gets to the camera and begins to beg for his child. This is very telling to me and I believe he does not know where she is and wants her home desperately.    Sorry Geraldo..He didn't snap and we all know that's what you wanted.

I'm not so sure about Florida.  Their child services have a poor history.  There was a huge scandal a few years ago about kids missing from the foster care system--lost completely, with nobody the wiser for years.

Or how bout this story..
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41493


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 07:20:24 PM
A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, "sexual activity" means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another; however, sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose.

http://www.ageofconsent.com/florida.htm

Thanks for the info you posted... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 22, 2009, 07:21:13 PM
Searching...that is a horrific story...
Why are these people allowed out of jail to create another child that they don't want? they should be sterilized in my opinion...what do we need, another dead child to show people that this woman should not have children? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 07:24:02 PM
Yes, Islandmonkey, and it strikes me as significant  - in some way - that we haven't heard from AC man, Misty's visiting brother, coworkers, the boss at Ron's job, etc. I mean, everyone, their great granny, Amanda the generic neighbor, Aunty with the thing on her head bless her heart, and Adam's house cat have been heard from and questioned on the tube, but we've not gotten not word one - that I know of -  from these people (AC man, brother etc) who could possibly vouch for and support Misty and Ron's version of the story. (Of course they'd have to choose one from a myriad of versions of the story to support or refute, but still...) It seems these (IMO) very relevant folks' statements have been conspicuously absent from the media-fest. Must be a reason. I realize that someone posted that AC was cleared but still it's odd to me that he hasn't been HEARD from. (especially if he's been cleared) Jus sayin.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 07:24:18 PM
I am glad to see I am not the only one who thinks Geraldo is B-rated show at best. Ever notice that he never gets clips in the right place and sound is always off. His technical crew stinks. Probably a family member. LE should really get on HIS case if he comes back.

About the spanking thing. In trying to be to up-front can sink your ship, that is for sure. You can bet Ron has been under the microscope since winning custody. Social services follows up and makes home visits and make reports. At least in NY they do. I am sure he took parent classes.

 I have to tell you this. I spanked!! At about 10 my son told me to F myself. Without ANY thought at all I back-handed him across the lips hard. We do not speak that way and it threw me. I still feel guilty BUT....he has never spoke to me like that again. He is 27.
Wonder what Geraldo would say about that?

At the end and no rise from Ron, He pushes past Geraldo and gets to the camera and begins to beg for his child. This is very telling to me and I believe he does not know where she is and wants her home desperately.    Sorry Geraldo..He didn't snap and we all know that's what you wanted.

I'm not so sure about Florida.  Their child services have a poor history.  There was a huge scandal a few years ago about kids missing from the foster care system--lost completely, with nobody the wiser for years.

Or how bout this story..
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41493

 ::MonkeyEek:: CHiT~ and they let her out??? What a disgrace, that poor child had to endure hell on earth and so should mom and step-dad.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 07:24:18 PM
I am glad to see I am not the only one who thinks Geraldo is B-rated show at best. Ever notice that he never gets clips in the right place and sound is always off. His technical crew stinks. Probably a family member. LE should really get on HIS case if he comes back.

About the spanking thing. In trying to be to up-front can sink your ship, that is for sure. You can bet Ron has been under the microscope since winning custody. Social services follows up and makes home visits and make reports. At least in NY they do. I am sure he took parent classes.

 I have to tell you this. I spanked!! At about 10 my son told me to F myself. Without ANY thought at all I back-handed him across the lips hard. We do not speak that way and it threw me. I still feel guilty BUT....he has never spoke to me like that again. He is 27.
Wonder what Geraldo would say about that?

At the end and no rise from Ron, He pushes past Geraldo and gets to the camera and begins to beg for his child. This is very telling to me and I believe he does not know where she is and wants her home desperately.    Sorry Geraldo..He didn't snap and we all know that's what you wanted.

I'm not so sure about Florida.  Their child services have a poor history.  There was a huge scandal a few years ago about kids missing from the foster care system--lost completely, with nobody the wiser for years.

Or how bout this story..
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41493

I tried the link and it didn't work.... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 07:26:39 PM
I am glad to see I am not the only one who thinks Geraldo is B-rated show at best. Ever notice that he never gets clips in the right place and sound is always off. His technical crew stinks. Probably a family member. LE should really get on HIS case if he comes back.

About the spanking thing. In trying to be to up-front can sink your ship, that is for sure. You can bet Ron has been under the microscope since winning custody. Social services follows up and makes home visits and make reports. At least in NY they do. I am sure he took parent classes.

 I have to tell you this. I spanked!! At about 10 my son told me to F myself. Without ANY thought at all I back-handed him across the lips hard. We do not speak that way and it threw me. I still feel guilty BUT....he has never spoke to me like that again. He is 27.
Wonder what Geraldo would say about that?

At the end and no rise from Ron, He pushes past Geraldo and gets to the camera and begins to beg for his child. This is very telling to me and I believe he does not know where she is and wants her home desperately.    Sorry Geraldo..He didn't snap and we all know that's what you wanted.

I'm not so sure about Florida.  Their child services have a poor history.  There was a huge scandal a few years ago about kids missing from the foster care system--lost completely, with nobody the wiser for years.

Or how bout this story..
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41493

I tried the link and it didn't work.... ::MonkeyTongue::

It didn't for me either, so I just googled death of bradley mcgee and chose another link....beware, it's horrific.....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: theboyzmom on February 22, 2009, 07:27:08 PM
I have a question about RC's rap sheet........WTH is Maintaing a Drug Vehicle?? I have never heard of that charge until now---------anyone else know ::MonkeyTongue::

It is when you have a car that is used for dealing.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Searching on February 22, 2009, 07:28:43 PM
Searching...that is a horrific story...
Why are these people allowed out of jail to create another child that they don't want? they should be sterilized in my opinion...what do we need, another dead child to show people that this woman should not have children? ::MonkeyConfused::

That little boys case has stuck with me all these years.. what they do not have are the pictures of that innocent beautiful baby boy smiling. He was an adorable baby boy. I have never forgotten his story. I know officer Schaill personally and I believe he is so right on this. They should have never given him back to her and they should have left her to rot in prison.BTW I live in Lakeland,grew up here and things never change here,just so you know..DCF still is clueless and the criminals have more rights then the victims...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 07:29:38 PM

Yes, Islandmonkey, and it strikes me as significant  - in some way - that we haven't heard from AC man, Misty's visiting brother, coworkers, the boss at Ron's job, etc. I mean, everyone, their great granny, Amanda the generic neighbor, Aunty with the thing on her head bless her heart, and Adam's house cat have been heard from and questioned on the tube, but we've not gotten not word one - that I know of -  from these people (AC man, brother etc) who could possibly vouch for and support Misty and Ron's version of the story. (Of course they'd have to choose one from a myriad of versions of the story to support or refute, but still...) It seems these (IMO) very relevant folks' statements have been conspicuously absent from the media-fest. Must be a reason. I realize that someone posted that AC was cleared but still it's odd to me that he hasn't been HEARD from. (especially if he's been cleared) Jus sayin.


Great point, that along with the trailer not being release PLUS the Sheriff stating for the media that he's calling this an "abduction", because you draw more attention and get more bang for the buck ::MonkeyConfused::.............that leads me to wnder if he truly believes it WAS an abduction because if he did, why would he even make that statement????????


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: GramaMonkey on February 22, 2009, 07:30:02 PM
O WHOA   Foxnews just reported a fake website "FINDHALEIGH.COM" that the family knew nothing about & that the site is no longer receiving donations..hmmmmmm you thinking what Im thinking?


Administrative Contact , Technical Contact :   
   Pine Victorian Bed and Breakfast   
   info@findhaleigh.com 
   106 E. Bonita #30
   Payson, AZ 85541 
   US 
   Phone: 928-978-4018 
     
   Record expires on 17-Feb-2010   
   Record created on 17-Feb-2009 
   Database last updated on 17-Feb-2009 

From the website findhaleigh.com
Where have we seen this BarbiBabies before?I saw it last week I think....may be linked to the KidFinders website?Notice they can't even spell Haleigh's name correctly.
From the guest book at the link below:


 
Date  February 21, 2009 
Name  barbi squire 
Email  barbibabies@aol.com 
Home Page   
City  Satsuma 
State  Fl 
Country   
 Comments  I am a family member of Haligh Cummings, we don't know anyone from this site. We have know idea where the monies donated are going. Please beware of fraud accounts posing as our family.

 http://findhaleigh.com/home.html



I just checked out this site.  www.findhaleigh.com 

This is what is listed on the website for donations:

Haleigh Cummings
 
Donate:  If you would like to donate toward a fund offering a reward for Haleigh, please contact Volusia Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS or call the Putnam County Sheriff to donate at: 386-329-0800.

If you wish to contact us by e-mail, phone or letter please contact us at:


Email:info@findhaleigh.com


If you have any information and wish to remain anonymous, please call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS (8477) or you can Text your tip by Texting “TIP231 plus your message” to CRIMES (274637). We don’t want your name; just your information and you could be eligible for a reward up to $1000.00
 

For more information: Please email info@findhaleigh.com
 
 
 
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 07:31:00 PM
I have a question about RC's rap sheet........WTH is Maintaing a Drug Vehicle?? I have never heard of that charge until now---------anyone else know ::MonkeyTongue::

It is when you have a car that is used for dealing.

Thanks - that's what I gathered from reading stories of people arrested by LE for that charge, I had just never seen that charge until RC's rap sheet emerged.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 07:34:33 PM
I am glad to see I am not the only one who thinks Geraldo is B-rated show at best. Ever notice that he never gets clips in the right place and sound is always off. His technical crew stinks. Probably a family member. LE should really get on HIS case if he comes back.

About the spanking thing. In trying to be to up-front can sink your ship, that is for sure. You can bet Ron has been under the microscope since winning custody. Social services follows up and makes home visits and make reports. At least in NY they do. I am sure he took parent classes.

 I have to tell you this. I spanked!! At about 10 my son told me to F myself. Without ANY thought at all I back-handed him across the lips hard. We do not speak that way and it threw me. I still feel guilty BUT....he has never spoke to me like that again. He is 27.
Wonder what Geraldo would say about that?

At the end and no rise from Ron, He pushes past Geraldo and gets to the camera and begins to beg for his child. This is very telling to me and I believe he does not know where she is and wants her home desperately.    Sorry Geraldo..He didn't snap and we all know that's what you wanted.

I'm not so sure about Florida.  Their child services have a poor history.  There was a huge scandal a few years ago about kids missing from the foster care system--lost completely, with nobody the wiser for years.

Or how bout this story..
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41493

I tried the link and it didn't work.... ::MonkeyTongue::

It didn't for me either, so I just googled death of bradley mcgee and chose another link....beware, it's horrific.....

OMG.. Anyone who murders a child and abuses them in anyway should not be aloud to raise any child and or have custody...God Bless Our Children who are being abused, torture or murdered... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Scarrlett on February 22, 2009, 07:38:10 PM
Great post BabyBear

Ditto that. When A person admits they are wrong or mis-judged someone, It makes me smile and respect you all the more. I have NO problem with being wrong. I am a flawed individual trying to get along with out hurting another.

I am glad Geraldo is banned. He did not need to be there and cause more hurt. JMO


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Scarrlett on February 22, 2009, 07:40:02 PM
I am glad to see I am not the only one who thinks Geraldo is B-rated show at best. Ever notice that he never gets clips in the right place and sound is always off. His technical crew stinks. Probably a family member. LE should really get on HIS case if he comes back.

About the spanking thing. In trying to be to up-front can sink your ship, that is for sure. You can bet Ron has been under the microscope since winning custody. Social services follows up and makes home visits and make reports. At least in NY they do. I am sure he took parent classes.

 I have to tell you this. I spanked!! At about 10 my son told me to F myself. Without ANY thought at all I back-handed him across the lips hard. We do not speak that way and it threw me. I still feel guilty BUT....he has never spoke to me like that again. He is 27.
Wonder what Geraldo would say about that?

At the end and no rise from Ron, He pushes past Geraldo and gets to the camera and begins to beg for his child. This is very telling to me and I believe he does not know where she is and wants her home desperately.    Sorry Geraldo..He didn't snap and we all know that's what you wanted.

Scarrlett, I spanked too. I'm a single Mom and my kids, for the most part, were awesome. But once in a while they had to test the waters. A few years back my oldest, who was defense on the High School Football team, sassed me good. I flew off the couch and went after him! I had him crouched in the corner, covering his head. I'm a pretty lenient Mom, but I won't tolerate sass. I worked too damn hard to give them everything, while I did without, sometimes even forgoing eating so they could have more (they didn't know) and that was one thing that would put me over the edge. Never happened again, my other son and daughter never tried it after that incident. BTW I went to my room for a good cry and he came in and apologized all over the place. He's a good boy and has been respectful ever since. 

We need more parents like you - I remember when my brother was about 16 and thought he was bigger than mom. He sassed her and she chased him down and smacked him but good. He turned out to be a pretty good guy. My oldest never needs a spanking (of course since he is 16 and 6 inches taller than me it is a good thing!) but my 10 year old gets a smack on more than one occasion - he has some issues with listening. He listens much better with my hand on his behind!   ::MonkeyWink::  Too many parents seem to be friends and not parents.

Thank you. How many boys do you have?  I think boys are easier than girls.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 22, 2009, 07:48:40 PM

Yes, Islandmonkey, and it strikes me as significant  - in some way - that we haven't heard from AC man, Misty's visiting brother, coworkers, the boss at Ron's job, etc. I mean, everyone, their great granny, Amanda the generic neighbor, Aunty with the thing on her head bless her heart, and Adam's house cat have been heard from and questioned on the tube, but we've not gotten not word one - that I know of -  from these people (AC man, brother etc) who could possibly vouch for and support Misty and Ron's version of the story. (Of course they'd have to choose one from a myriad of versions of the story to support or refute, but still...) It seems these (IMO) very relevant folks' statements have been conspicuously absent from the media-fest. Must be a reason. I realize that someone posted that AC was cleared but still it's odd to me that he hasn't been HEARD from. (especially if he's been cleared) Jus sayin.


Great point, that along with the trailer not being release PLUS the Sheriff stating for the media that he's calling this an "abduction", because you draw more attention and get more bang for the buck ::MonkeyConfused::.............that leads me to wnder if he truly believes it WAS an abduction because if he did, why would he even make that statement????????

I don't find it odd AC man has not put himself in spotlight for his 15 minutes of fame. He was checked out he was cleared what does he know anyhow? Now what I would like to hear from is Mistys brother. What I really want to know is how big of a lunch break did RC get and was it in the middle of his shift ( 9PM). If he lives 17 miles from job site is that expressway travel ( 15 minutes) or town 25 minutes? What kind of work was he doing besides a crane operator? Could he have carried a body back with him and dumped it in a hole that was going to be filled that night? OT that is what is rumored to have happened to a woman around here...she is under a dept store ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 07:51:32 PM

Yes, Islandmonkey, and it strikes me as significant  - in some way - that we haven't heard from AC man, Misty's visiting brother, coworkers, the boss at Ron's job, etc. I mean, everyone, their great granny, Amanda the generic neighbor, Aunty with the thing on her head bless her heart, and Adam's house cat have been heard from and questioned on the tube, but we've not gotten not word one - that I know of -  from these people (AC man, brother etc) who could possibly vouch for and support Misty and Ron's version of the story. (Of course they'd have to choose one from a myriad of versions of the story to support or refute, but still...) It seems these (IMO) very relevant folks' statements have been conspicuously absent from the media-fest. Must be a reason. I realize that someone posted that AC was cleared but still it's odd to me that he hasn't been HEARD from. (especially if he's been cleared) Jus sayin.


Great point, that along with the trailer not being release PLUS the Sheriff stating for the media that he's calling this an "abduction", because you draw more attention and get more bang for the buck ::MonkeyConfused::.............that leads me to wnder if he truly believes it WAS an abduction because if he did, why would he even make that statement????????

I don't find it odd AC man has not put himself in spotlight for his 15 minutes of fame. He was checked out he was cleared what does he know anyhow? Now what I would like to hear from is Mistys brother. What I really want to know is how big of a lunch break did RC get and was it in the middle of his shift ( 9PM). If he lives 17 miles from job site is that expressway travel ( 15 minutes) or town 25 minutes? What kind of work was he doing besides a crane operator? Could he have carried a body back with him and dumped it in a hole that was going to be filled that night? OT that is what is rumored to have happened to a woman around here...she is under a dept store ::MonkeyNoNo::

Someone earlier in the thread mentioned that hypothesis......that she would be so easy to hide at a construction site, sadly I know of other cases where this has happened.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 07:57:46 PM
Neither family is perfect that's a fact.  Both Ronald and Crystal have both done drugs.  WHERE IS HALEIGH and do any of them, Ronald, Misty, Crystal have anything to do with Haleigh missing. 
Geraldo needs to go home.
Klaas~maybe you'd remember this, but wasn't RC on the search twith TES when he mentioned to either TM or someone with TES that he was afraid it was retribution or retaliation fromsomething he'd done. It's in these threads, I just wondered if you remeber where?
TIA
I don't remember, sorry.
I think when Ron throw out there about the idea of retaliation is nothing but hogwash.. Their throwing out alibies him and Misty to take the investagation away from them..Ron should of been sent to anger management a long time ago.. In my oppinion he should not have custody of the children and I be worried about the other child Jr. When the 911 call came in Ron in the background all ready started saying about who ever took her and hes got a gun and will kill him raised a red flag to me..

I think the 911 call was staged.. His fake cries and Misty's trying to make herself cry and all their inconsistencies.. It makes you wonder what really did happen that evening...I would like to know if Ron had a life insurance policy on Haleigh.. ::MonkeyTongue::
So.Much.Word. And if Misty is such a "dumb effing b**** " and as incompetent as Ron conends, then why is she assigned the important duty of making the 911 call as he huffs and spews and curses and threatens in the background as evidenced on the recording. Why isn't HE making the 911 call? (And FWIW, perps typically are not the ones to make the call. They generally prefer to have someone else do it. Sorry - don't have a link, so that is merely a generalization, but applicable IMO.)

I too would like to hear from AC man, Misty's brother who visited that Monday, Ron's co-workers, and to see Ron's time card; And I'd also like to hear a statement from ANYONE other than Misty and Ron as to when and where Haleigh was last seen.

Also, I  have to wonder if they're checking the plumbing or have already found something to warrant the taping off of that trailor for this long time frame. It's not a huge area to cover like, for example, the Ramsay home (Jon Benet)  so the size is not the issue. 

Geraldo chapped my rear many times in the past, but he did an excellent job this time IMO. He's redeemed himself.


The 911 call seemed contrived to me, one minute weepy and the next defiant and dropping f-bombs, cursing the gf, 911 operator etc.....I too wonder why the trailer hasn't been released, it just makes NO sense to me to hold it this long unless they have indeed found something and still I've never heard anything being held from the family this long.

I also would LOVE to hear from anyone other than Misty or Ron who actually saw Haleigh after school that day, otherwise the timeline is too broad ::MonkeyNoNo::

I wonder with all of Ron's verbally abusing young teenages girls as his GF's that he actually

hates women....I wonder if all his GF's were young teenagers easily control. He's not a man in

my book..I guess he can't get a girl his age... I am going to say this and dont throw any

nanners @ me its been bothering me...IMO...An child (teenagers)abuser or is he a closet

pedofile?? ::MonkeyTongue::
I know I'm the newb and all, but I can't help but keep repeating it. So.MuchWord.

I don't have a link, but isn't the other baby-mama 17 now? Which puts her at  or about age 16 at conception? Even if 16 were the age of consent, it speaks volumes, as they say, about Ron's target girlfriend age range. Very young, easier to control... Also, Misty just turned 17 in Dec, has been with Ron for 5 months, and has a history of sexual molestation.... again. Classic.

Crystal is text book abused woman, IMO - be it verbal, emotional, psychological, physical or all of the above. The difference is, with her, - compared to many - is she managed to get out. However she seems profoundly defeated, terrified, with low to no self-esteem, flat affect, hesitant, choosing her words,  skiddish, and to me that would speak to her inability to "fight" in court against her tormentor, Ron. Then there's Ron,  who by all estimations on camera and on the 911 recording - has a short fuse to say the least and an abusive, violent temper and demeanor at worst. Also, Ronnie has mama, aka the grand enabler, in his corner and an additional bonus is that she works in the sheriff's office. How con-VEEN-ient. (TM Dana Carvey's "The Church Lady.") Add mood and judgment altering drugs into the mix and you have a possible perfect storm for disaster.

Also, I can see Misty staying up with Ron after he gets home (or him demanding that she do so. ("Fix me dinner/breakfast- fill in the blank - b****; I just got home from working an honest job to care care of your a**") And there's the possibility of  Misty and/or Ron being exhausted and/or hung over and not getting up in time to get HL ready for kindergarten ("school.") HL's absent and she misses days. So she's home and not quiet enough to suit His Royal Highness, Ron, and she gets backhanded a little too hard (It doesn't take much. She is 5, tiny, and what? 49 pounds?) She could have landed wrong or  hit her head. Or he tells Misty to get out the Benadryl (or fill-in-the-blank sedating substance) to shut HL up so he can sleep in the day and HL doesn't wake up. Ron doesn't want to "get in trouble," nor go to jail,  lose custody of Jr, be seen as a "bad" parent... etc.

 I can see him wanting custody as a control tactic and not seeking custody b/c he  necessarily wants[i/] the kids with him; I can see it as a possibility that he just doesn't want Crystal to have them b/c he could possibly view that as a "win" for her; And he can't have that happen b/c he's large and in charge at all times. Also, he'd have to shell out child support. This way, with this setup, he doesn't pay support, and he gets Misty as free live in. He doesn't have to pay for child-care, housekeeping, cooking, cleaning, or sex.

All these possibilities speak to the environment in that home. It is not "stirring the pot" IMO. Geraldo did HL a service IMO which is more than Ron is doing in his lying and withholding of information. MOO. Your mileage may vary.  ::MonkeyCool::
 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 08:05:29 PM
Sorry; I said that  "Geraldo did HL a service." I meant Haleigh or HC.





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 08:05:29 PM
Neither family is perfect that's a fact.  Both Ronald and Crystal have both done drugs.  WHERE IS HALEIGH and do any of them, Ronald, Misty, Crystal have anything to do with Haleigh missing. 
Geraldo needs to go home.
Klaas~maybe you'd remember this, but wasn't RC on the search twith TES when he mentioned to either TM or someone with TES that he was afraid it was retribution or retaliation fromsomething he'd done. It's in these threads, I just wondered if you remeber where?
TIA
I don't remember, sorry.
I think when Ron throw out there about the idea of retaliation is nothing but hogwash.. Their throwing out alibies him and Misty to take the investagation away from them..Ron should of been sent to anger management a long time ago.. In my oppinion he should not have custody of the children and I be worried about the other child Jr. When the 911 call came in Ron in the background all ready started saying about who ever took her and hes got a gun and will kill him raised a red flag to me..

I think the 911 call was staged.. His fake cries and Misty's trying to make herself cry and all their inconsistencies.. It makes you wonder what really did happen that evening...I would like to know if Ron had a life insurance policy on Haleigh.. ::MonkeyTongue::
So.Much.Word. And if Misty is such a "dumb effing b**** " and as incompetent as Ron conends, then why is she assigned the important duty of making the 911 call as he huffs and spews and curses and threatens in the background as evidenced on the recording. Why isn't HE making the 911 call? (And FWIW, perps typically are not the ones to make the call. They generally prefer to have someone else do it. Sorry - don't have a link, so that is merely a generalization, but applicable IMO.)

I too would like to hear from AC man, Misty's brother who visited that Monday, Ron's co-workers, and to see Ron's time card; And I'd also like to hear a statement from ANYONE other than Misty and Ron as to when and where Haleigh was last seen.

Also, I  have to wonder if they're checking the plumbing or have already found something to warrant the taping off of that trailor for this long time frame. It's not a huge area to cover like, for example, the Ramsay home (Jon Benet)  so the size is not the issue. 

Geraldo chapped my rear many times in the past, but he did an excellent job this time IMO. He's redeemed himself.


The 911 call seemed contrived to me, one minute weepy and the next defiant and dropping f-bombs, cursing the gf, 911 operator etc.....I too wonder why the trailer hasn't been released, it just makes NO sense to me to hold it this long unless they have indeed found something and still I've never heard anything being held from the family this long.

I also would LOVE to hear from anyone other than Misty or Ron who actually saw Haleigh after school that day, otherwise the timeline is too broad ::MonkeyNoNo::

I wonder with all of Ron's verbally abusing young teenages girls as his GF's that he actually

hates women....I wonder if all his GF's were young teenagers easily control. He's not a man in

my book..I guess he can't get a girl his age... I am going to say this and dont throw any

nanners @ me its been bothering me...IMO...An child (teenagers)abuser or is he a closet

pedofile?? ::MonkeyTongue::
I know I'm the newb and all, but I can't help but keep repeating it. So.MuchWord.

I don't have a link, but isn't the other baby-mama 17 now? Which puts her at  or about age 16 at conception? Even if 16 were the age of consent, it speaks volumes, as they say, about Ron's target girlfriend age range. Very young, easier to control... Also, Misty just turned 17 in Dec, has been with Ron for 5 months, and has a history of sexual molestation.... again. Classic.

Crystal is text book abused woman, IMO - be it verbal, emotional, psychological, physical or all of the above. The difference is, with her, - compared to many - is she managed to get out. However she seems profoundly defeated, terrified, with low to no self-esteem, flat affect, hesitant, choosing her words,  skiddish, and to me that would speak to her inability to "fight" in court against her tormentor, Ron. Then there's Ron,  who by all estimations on camera and on the 911 recording - has a short fuse to say the least and an abusive, violent temper and demeanor at worst. Also, Ronnie has mama, aka the grand enabler, in his corner and an additional bonus is that she works in the sheriff's office. How con-VEEN-ient. (TM Dana Carvey's "The Church Lady.") Add mood and judgment altering drugs into the mix and you have a possible perfect storm for disaster.

Also, I can see Misty staying up with Ron after he gets home (or him demanding that she do so. ("Fix me dinner/breakfast- fill in the blank - b****; I just got home from working an honest job to care care of your a**") And there's the possibility of  Misty and/or Ron being exhausted and/or hung over and not getting up in time to get HL ready for kindergarten ("school.") HL's absent and she misses days. So she's home and not quiet enough to suit His Royal Highness, Ron, and she gets backhanded a little too hard (It doesn't take much. She is 5, tiny, and what? 49 pounds?) She could have landed wrong or  hit her head. Or he tells Misty to get out the Benadryl (or fill-in-the-blank sedating substance) to shut HL up so he can sleep in the day and HL doesn't wake up. Ron doesn't want to "get in trouble," nor go to jail,  lose custody of Jr, be seen as a "bad" parent... etc.

 I can see him wanting custody as a control tactic and not seeking custody b/c he  necessarily wants[i/] the kids with him; I can see it as a possibility that he just doesn't want Crystal to have them b/c he could possibly view that as a "win" for her; And he can't have that happen b/c he's large and in charge at all times. Also, he'd have to shell out child support. This way, with this setup, he doesn't pay support, and he gets Misty as free live in. He doesn't have to pay for child-care, housekeeping, cooking, cleaning, or sex.

All these possibilities speak to the environment in that home. It is not "stirring the pot" IMO. Geraldo did HL a service IMO which is more than Ron is doing in his lying and withholding of information. MOO. Your mileage may vary.  ::MonkeyCool::
 



BINGO~We have a winner!

I agree with you and especially can offer insight as to why he wanted custody, me ex did this to his prior wife, the kids were just pawns to him, a way to say "See, she must really be bad because I have custody", and sadly I've heard RC brag about custody in soooo many interviews. It was like a slap in the face to CS, frankly if I were her I'd have brought this out long ago.........enough is enough, everyone needs to come clean and let the chips fall where they may, this is not a popularity contest, it is a missing child!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 22, 2009, 08:08:29 PM

Yes, Islandmonkey, and it strikes me as significant  - in some way - that we haven't heard from AC man, Misty's visiting brother, coworkers, the boss at Ron's job, etc. I mean, everyone, their great granny, Amanda the generic neighbor, Aunty with the thing on her head bless her heart, and Adam's house cat have been heard from and questioned on the tube, but we've not gotten not word one - that I know of -  from these people (AC man, brother etc) who could possibly vouch for and support Misty and Ron's version of the story. (Of course they'd have to choose one from a myriad of versions of the story to support or refute, but still...) It seems these (IMO) very relevant folks' statements have been conspicuously absent from the media-fest. Must be a reason. I realize that someone posted that AC was cleared but still it's odd to me that he hasn't been HEARD from. (especially if he's been cleared) Jus sayin.


Great point, that along with the trailer not being release PLUS the Sheriff stating for the media that he's calling this an "abduction", because you draw more attention and get more bang for the buck ::MonkeyConfused::.............that leads me to wnder if he truly believes it WAS an abduction because if he did, why would he even make that statement????????

I don't find it odd AC man has not put himself in spotlight for his 15 minutes of fame. He was checked out he was cleared what does he know anyhow? Now what I would like to hear from is Mistys brother. What I really want to know is how big of a lunch break did RC get and was it in the middle of his shift ( 9PM). If he lives 17 miles from job site is that expressway travel ( 15 minutes) or town 25 minutes? What kind of work was he doing besides a crane operator? Could he have carried a body back with him and dumped it in a hole that was going to be filled that night? OT that is what is rumored to have happened to a woman around here...she is under a dept store ::MonkeyNoNo::

Someone earlier in the thread mentioned that hypothesis......that she would be so easy to hide at a construction site, sadly I know of other cases where this has happened.

Ok so I go to PDM Bridge website just to get a sense of what exactly they or RC would do.
http://www.pdmbridge.com/index.cfm?event=DisplayContentPieceById&contentPieceId=448
beautiful bridges btw.... then it dawned on me as I see a crane on top of an unfinished bridge....BRIDGES GO OVER WATER  ::MonkeyShocked:: Am I the only one that was not thinking that?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 08:15:45 PM

Yes, Islandmonkey, and it strikes me as significant  - in some way - that we haven't heard from AC man, Misty's visiting brother, coworkers, the boss at Ron's job, etc. I mean, everyone, their great granny, Amanda the generic neighbor, Aunty with the thing on her head bless her heart, and Adam's house cat have been heard from and questioned on the tube, but we've not gotten not word one - that I know of -  from these people (AC man, brother etc) who could possibly vouch for and support Misty and Ron's version of the story. (Of course they'd have to choose one from a myriad of versions of the story to support or refute, but still...) It seems these (IMO) very relevant folks' statements have been conspicuously absent from the media-fest. Must be a reason. I realize that someone posted that AC was cleared but still it's odd to me that he hasn't been HEARD from. (especially if he's been cleared) Jus sayin.


Great point, that along with the trailer not being release PLUS the Sheriff stating for the media that he's calling this an "abduction", because you draw more attention and get more bang for the buck ::MonkeyConfused::.............that leads me to wnder if he truly believes it WAS an abduction because if he did, why would he even make that statement????????

I don't find it odd AC man has not put himself in spotlight for his 15 minutes of fame. He was checked out he was cleared what does he know anyhow? Now what I would like to hear from is Mistys brother. What I really want to know is how big of a lunch break did RC get and was it in the middle of his shift ( 9PM). If he lives 17 miles from job site is that expressway travel ( 15 minutes) or town 25 minutes? What kind of work was he doing besides a crane operator? Could he have carried a body back with him and dumped it in a hole that was going to be filled that night? OT that is what is rumored to have happened to a woman around here...she is under a dept store ::MonkeyNoNo::

Someone earlier in the thread mentioned that hypothesis......that she would be so easy to hide at a construction site, sadly I know of other cases where this has happened.

Ok so I go to PDM Bridge website just to get a sense of what exactly they or RC would do.
http://www.pdmbridge.com/index.cfm?event=DisplayContentPieceById&contentPieceId=448
beautiful bridges btw.... then it dawned on me as I see a crane on top of an unfinished bridge....BRIDGES GO OVER WATER  ::MonkeyShocked:: Am I the only one that was not thinking that?

I had tried not to go there, thinking that he had any direct involvemnt, but now I am worried that he could have. If a man will beat his wife, he will beat his kids~sadly, it happens every day (accidents from abuse or just plain homicide)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 08:19:14 PM
Yes, Island Monkey; And I realize different folks have differnt ways of expressing themselves but so many things raise my hinky meter as y'all say.  ::MonkeyCool::  (I'm a newb but long time lurker; Flove you guys!)

His over-insistance and repetitions of, " I was AT WORK!!!!" seemed like overkill to me. (read that as, "Hey *I* have an alibi.") I wish I had the links handy to cite, but I've seen them somewhere on here. In one he goes on and on about HIMSELF  when Haleigh first went missing. "I was just tryna work an honest job. I was AT WORK!!" And by God, he wants what he wants when he wants it. In the 911 call the operator had already dispatched officers on the way and she was asking the logical question of what was Haleigh  wearing. His response was, shouting, "I DON'T F****** KNOW! I WAS AT WORK!!!" Yikes. K..... Apparently, you really need us to know where you were for the umpteenth time. K.

And the, "I"m gonna kill um! You can record it! I don't care!!" was just.... so staged IMO. No words to describe the fakeness (is that a word?) of it all. He may be many things, but he's not an idiot. He knows it's recorded.

Yesterday there were reporters asking Ron various questions to keep Haleigh's name in the news and "out there" and fresh in people's minds; If she is indeed MISSING then that  would be HELPFUL, wouldn't it? Yet he seemed curt, put out, and almost rude to the reporters. I bet that mssing little boy, Audji's parents and others WISH they could get that kind of coverage for their missing child.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 22, 2009, 08:20:22 PM
but we don't have any real proof that Ron did beat his wife or anyone else...no police reports, only someone else's word for it... someone who doesn't much like him...and might have an axe to grind with him cause of the custody battle going on?
I don't even want to think about him harming Haleigh...
still holding out hope that she will be found alive...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 22, 2009, 08:23:21 PM

Yes, Islandmonkey, and it strikes me as significant  - in some way - that we haven't heard from AC man, Misty's visiting brother, coworkers, the boss at Ron's job, etc. I mean, everyone, their great granny, Amanda the generic neighbor, Aunty with the thing on her head bless her heart, and Adam's house cat have been heard from and questioned on the tube, but we've not gotten not word one - that I know of -  from these people (AC man, brother etc) who could possibly vouch for and support Misty and Ron's version of the story. (Of course they'd have to choose one from a myriad of versions of the story to support or refute, but still...) It seems these (IMO) very relevant folks' statements have been conspicuously absent from the media-fest. Must be a reason. I realize that someone posted that AC was cleared but still it's odd to me that he hasn't been HEARD from. (especially if he's been cleared) Jus sayin.


Great point, that along with the trailer not being release PLUS the Sheriff stating for the media that he's calling this an "abduction", because you draw more attention and get more bang for the buck ::MonkeyConfused::.............that leads me to wnder if he truly believes it WAS an abduction because if he did, why would he even make that statement????????

I don't find it odd AC man has not put himself in spotlight for his 15 minutes of fame. He was checked out he was cleared what does he know anyhow? Now what I would like to hear from is Mistys brother. What I really want to know is how big of a lunch break did RC get and was it in the middle of his shift ( 9PM). If he lives 17 miles from job site is that expressway travel ( 15 minutes) or town 25 minutes? What kind of work was he doing besides a crane operator? Could he have carried a body back with him and dumped it in a hole that was going to be filled that night? OT that is what is rumored to have happened to a woman around here...she is under a dept store ::MonkeyNoNo::

Someone earlier in the thread mentioned that hypothesis......that she would be so easy to hide at a construction site, sadly I know of other cases where this has happened.

Ok so I go to PDM Bridge website just to get a sense of what exactly they or RC would do.
http://www.pdmbridge.com/index.cfm?event=DisplayContentPieceById&contentPieceId=448
beautiful bridges btw.... then it dawned on me as I see a crane on top of an unfinished bridge....BRIDGES GO OVER WATER  ::MonkeyShocked:: Am I the only one that was not thinking that?

I had tried not to go there, thinking that he had any direct involvemnt, but now I am worried that he could have. If a man will beat his wife, he will beat his kids~sadly, it happens every day (accidents from abuse or just plain homicide)

I know I have waivered myself on his involvement but from what I have seen and know about abusers he is a classic. Whats to say he didn't come home at 9PM for lunch got mad at Misty, Haleigh woke up and got in the way and he broke her neck or something on accident when he was trying to rage on misty...sadly it happens all the time ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: I just don't know his initial reaction seemed contrived like a Susan Smith plea and then he makes those odd statements. I guess we will see, there has got to be a lot going on behind the scenes if LE hasn't given their home back to them yet.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 08:23:32 PM
Also, didn't one  of you monkeys say that LE had flatout "cleared" the cousin and the AC man? Conversely, have Misty and Ron been overtly and unequivocally "cleared"?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 08:25:32 PM
but we don't have any real proof that Ron did beat his wife or anyone else...no police reports, only someone else's word for it... someone who doesn't much like him...and might have an axe to grind with him cause of the custody battle going on?
I don't even want to think about him harming Haleigh...
still holding out hope that she will be found alive...

I don't know of any custody battle going on~but I believe he is an abuser and a drug user, sometimes they go hand in hand.....I think it's a credible jump IMO to assume he's an abuser, CS's father issued an affadavit stating these facts, and all these women seem petrified of him~hell, the the look in his eyes and his anger issues scare me.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 08:26:21 PM
I was hesitant to say any of this about Ron b/c a child is missing and a father would be devastated - whatever happened. Even if he is the one who made it happen, accidently or otherwise, I can see him feeling devasated and sickened by his actions.

Abusers usually are very very tearful and truly remorseful.... at the time.

 Before they do it again.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2009, 08:29:03 PM
Rana and Islandmonkey, I'm on the same page as you are. Again I hope I'm wrong, and happy to say I am, but Ron is frightening to me and I don't believe anything he says.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 08:30:56 PM
Also, didn't one  of you monkeys say that LE had flatout "cleared" the cousin and the AC man? Conversely, have Misty and Ron been overtly and unequivocally "cleared"?

I did hear the cousin as NOT a suspect, and that the A/C guy was in the clear - but LE refuses to state the outcome of any polygraphs............so, that in addition to the trailer still being held leads me to believe RC and MC are at least POI's whether or not the LE will admit it or not.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 22, 2009, 08:32:18 PM
I was hesitant to say any of this about Ron b/c a child is missing and a father would be devastated - whatever happened. Even if he is the one who made it happen, accidently or otherwise, I can see him feeling devasated and sickened by his actions.

Abusers usually are very very tearful and truly remorseful.... at the time.

 Before they do it again.



Yes ain't that the truth? Florists are kept in business because of those flockers!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 08:32:36 PM
but we don't have any real proof that Ron did beat his wife or anyone else...no police reports, only someone else's word for it... someone who doesn't much like him...and might have an axe to grind with him cause of the custody battle going on?
I don't even want to think about him harming Haleigh...
still holding out hope that she will be found alive...

I don't know of any custody battle going on~but I believe he is an abuser and a drug user, sometimes they go hand in hand.....I think it's a credible jump IMO to assume he's an abuser, CS's father issued an affadavit stating these facts, and all these women seem petrified of him~hell, the the look in his eyes and his anger issues scare me.
Yes, and I can't help but think if this is what is does in front of others, with the horrible name calling and threats of violence, etc, what on earth happens in private behind closed doors? OMG....

It's like what they say about restaurants. If this is what they let you see and (and if that's not good) imagine what's in the kitchen! .  ::MonkeyShocked::

There's another adage that says, "When people show you who they are....... believe them."



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 08:34:19 PM
I was hesitant to say any of this about Ron b/c a child is missing and a father would be devastated - whatever happened. Even if he is the one who made it happen, accidently or otherwise, I can see him feeling devasated and sickened by his actions.

Abusers usually are very very tearful and truly remorseful.... at the time.

 Before they do it again.



So true.......I have had friends tha have stayed with abusers, but they promise "he loves me, and was crying, he will never do it again".....until he does.

My mom grew up with an alcoholic father and an abuser, she is almost 70 and still carries the scars from her childhood.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 22, 2009, 08:34:26 PM
but we don't have any real proof that Ron did beat his wife or anyone else...no police reports, only someone else's word for it... someone who doesn't much like him...and might have an axe to grind with him cause of the custody battle going on?
I don't even want to think about him harming Haleigh...
still holding out hope that she will be found alive...

I don't know of any custody battle going on~but I believe he is an abuser and a drug user, sometimes they go hand in hand.....I think it's a credible jump IMO to assume he's an abuser, CS's father issued an affadavit stating these facts, and all these women seem petrified of him~hell, the the look in his eyes and his anger issues scare me.

I think that it was Crystals mother who mentioned the custody battle...that Ron doesn't always let Crystal talk to the kids etc...
It is hard to say if he is an abuser...I agree that he does seem to have some anger and a nasty mouth on him...will have to wait and see how it all plays out...
I do agree as well that some of his crying and his wording seem contrived and not sincere in some interviews and then more sincere in other interviews...Susan Smith I felt right away that she was guilty...with Ron I don't...he and Misty know more than they are saying I think...
Hopefully she will be found soon...and we will have the answers...

Also, does anyone know if the families are out looking for Haleigh? I think that if it were me, I would have to be knocking on doors and walking up and down streets just so that I would feel like I was doing something to find her...Just sitting there waiting would drive me crazy...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 08:37:16 PM
Rana and Islandmonkey, I'm on the same page as you are. Again I hope I'm wrong, and happy to say I am, but Ron is frightening to me and I don't believe anything he says.

I hate it, but I can't help the way I feel......and lying on nat'l tv about his drug use was just absurd, CS admitted it and I applaud her for that, don't pull that same old BS on me. It reminds me of Cindy Anthony "a lie is not a crime", well when a child is missing-it damn well should be. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 08:39:41 PM

Yes, Islandmonkey, and it strikes me as significant  - in some way - that we haven't heard from AC man, Misty's visiting brother, coworkers, the boss at Ron's job, etc. I mean, everyone, their great granny, Amanda the generic neighbor, Aunty with the thing on her head bless her heart, and Adam's house cat have been heard from and questioned on the tube, but we've not gotten not word one - that I know of -  from these people (AC man, brother etc) who could possibly vouch for and support Misty and Ron's version of the story. (Of course they'd have to choose one from a myriad of versions of the story to support or refute, but still...) It seems these (IMO) very relevant folks' statements have been conspicuously absent from the media-fest. Must be a reason. I realize that someone posted that AC was cleared but still it's odd to me that he hasn't been HEARD from. (especially if he's been cleared) Jus sayin.


Great point, that along with the trailer not being release PLUS the Sheriff stating for the media that he's calling this an "abduction", because you draw more attention and get more bang for the buck ::MonkeyConfused::.............that leads me to wnder if he truly believes it WAS an abduction because if he did, why would he even make that statement????????

I don't find it odd AC man has not put himself in spotlight for his 15 minutes of fame. He was checked out he was cleared what does he know anyhow? Now what I would like to hear from is Mistys brother. What I really want to know is how big of a lunch break did RC get and was it in the middle of his shift ( 9PM). If he lives 17 miles from job site is that expressway travel ( 15 minutes) or town 25 minutes? What kind of work was he doing besides a crane operator? Could he have carried a body back with him and dumped it in a hole that was going to be filled that night? OT that is what is rumored to have happened to a woman around here...she is under a dept store ::MonkeyNoNo::

Someone earlier in the thread mentioned that hypothesis......that she would be so easy to hide at a construction site, sadly I know of other cases where this has happened.

Ok so I go to PDM Bridge website just to get a sense of what exactly they or RC would do.
http://www.pdmbridge.com/index.cfm?event=DisplayContentPieceById&contentPieceId=448
beautiful bridges btw.... then it dawned on me as I see a crane on top of an unfinished bridge....BRIDGES GO OVER WATER  ::MonkeyShocked:: Am I the only one that was not thinking that?

I had tried not to go there, thinking that he had any direct involvemnt, but now I am worried that he could have. If a man will beat his wife, he will beat his kids~sadly, it happens every day (accidents from abuse or just plain homicide)

I know I have waivered myself on his involvement but from what I have seen and know about abusers he is a classic. Whats to say he didn't come home at 9PM for lunch got mad at Misty, Haleigh woke up and got in the way and he broke her neck or something on accident when he was trying to rage on misty...sadly it happens all the time ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: I just don't know his initial reaction seemed contrived like a Susan Smith plea and then he makes those odd statements. I guess we will see, there has got to be a lot going on behind the scenes if LE hasn't given their home back to them yet.
Yes, and poor Misty seems scared whitless. She also seems to be trying to go by a script as someone mentioned. Especially in that infamous Greta interview where Ron GLARED at Misty and seemed to be controlling her answers. That was hard to watch frankly.

And Ron and Misty seem to KNOW she's dead. "I loved her like my own. (Misty - past tense and she had JUST gone missing.)

Ron: "I"d give my life to have my child's life back."

Ron: "I'm gonna keep believing that she's alive.. until they find her."

WTH? Keep believe she's alive until they find her? Why won't they find her alive, Ron?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2009, 08:40:41 PM
Also, didn't one  of you monkeys say that LE had flatout "cleared" the cousin and the AC man? Conversely, have Misty and Ron been overtly and unequivocally "cleared"?

I did hear the cousin as NOT a suspect, and that the A/C guy was in the clear - but LE refuses to state the outcome of any polygraphs............so, that in addition to the trailer still being held leads me to believe RC and MC are at least POI's whether or not the LE will admit it or not.
They must be that is the only thing that makes any sense.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: AZSunny on February 22, 2009, 08:41:35 PM
but we don't have any real proof that Ron did beat his wife or anyone else...no police reports, only someone else's word for it... someone who doesn't much like him...and might have an axe to grind with him cause of the custody battle going on?
I don't even want to think about him harming Haleigh...
still holding out hope that she will be found alive...

I don't know of any custody battle going on~but I believe he is an abuser and a drug user, sometimes they go hand in hand.....I think it's a credible jump IMO to assume he's an abuser, CS's father issued an affadavit stating these facts, and all these women seem petrified of him~hell, the the look in his eyes and his anger issues scare me.

Did you see one of the original interviews of RC and Misty?  She was being asked questions and he put his hand over his mike that was attached to his shirt, and said, "look at the camera when you are talking!" she said "I am", and continued to look fleeting at the camera, and then down.  that is what raised my doubt of his control factor, even on camera. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 08:42:59 PM
Rana and Islandmonkey, I'm on the same page as you are. Again I hope I'm wrong, and happy to say I am, but Ron is frightening to me and I don't believe anything he says.

I hate it, but I can't help the way I feel......and lying on nat'l tv about his drug use was just absurd, CS admitted it and I applaud her for that, don't pull that same old BS on me. It reminds me of Cindy Anthony "a lie is not a crime", well when a child is missing-it damn well should be. ::MonkeyNoNo::
I know right? Great goddess on a cracker he seemed BAKED as he was talking about not using drugs. He was slurring his words and seemed incoherent. Granted that can surely be caused by fatigue and worry, but his arm long LE record speaks for itself and says to me that where there's smoke there's fire. Your mileage may vary. ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 22, 2009, 08:43:18 PM
Rana and Islandmonkey, I'm on the same page as you are. Again I hope I'm wrong, and happy to say I am, but Ron is frightening to me and I don't believe anything he says.

I hate it, but I can't help the way I feel......and lying on nat'l tv about his drug use was just absurd, CS admitted it and I applaud her for that, don't pull that same old BS on me. It reminds me of Cindy Anthony "a lie is not a crime", well when a child is missing-it damn well should be. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Island...of course you can't help the way that you feel and what your gut tells you...none of us can...we just get a feeling about someone, just natural for that to happen....We have to trust our instincts...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 08:45:05 PM
but we don't have any real proof that Ron did beat his wife or anyone else...no police reports, only someone else's word for it... someone who doesn't much like him...and might have an axe to grind with him cause of the custody battle going on?
I don't even want to think about him harming Haleigh...
still holding out hope that she will be found alive...

I don't know of any custody battle going on~but I believe he is an abuser and a drug user, sometimes they go hand in hand.....I think it's a credible jump IMO to assume he's an abuser, CS's father issued an affadavit stating these facts, and all these women seem petrified of him~hell, the the look in his eyes and his anger issues scare me.

Did you see one of the original interviews of RC and Misty?  She was being asked questions and he put his hand over his mike that was attached to his shirt, and said, "look at the camera when you are talking!" she said "I am", and continued to look fleeting at the camera, and then down.  that is what raised my doubt of his control factor, even on camera. 
YES! That's the one among several that was chilling. He seemed to be coaching her on the answer about the beds as well. She looked mortified. Of course, I'd be mortified to speak on national TV running on no sleep, but she seemed directly scared of HIM in particular.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 22, 2009, 08:47:24 PM
but we don't have any real proof that Ron did beat his wife or anyone else...no police reports, only someone else's word for it... someone who doesn't much like him...and might have an axe to grind with him cause of the custody battle going on?
I don't even want to think about him harming Haleigh...
still holding out hope that she will be found alive...

I don't know of any custody battle going on~but I believe he is an abuser and a drug user, sometimes they go hand in hand.....I think it's a credible jump IMO to assume he's an abuser, CS's father issued an affadavit stating these facts, and all these women seem petrified of him~hell, the the look in his eyes and his anger issues scare me.

Did you see one of the original interviews of RC and Misty?  She was being asked questions and he put his hand over his mike that was attached to his shirt, and said, "look at the camera when you are talking!" she said "I am", and continued to look fleeting at the camera, and then down.  that is what raised my doubt of his control factor, even on camera. 
That interview was very telling to me, and I said the other day it seems Misty is following a script and she is having a hard time remembering it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 08:50:56 PM
but we don't have any real proof that Ron did beat his wife or anyone else...no police reports, only someone else's word for it... someone who doesn't much like him...and might have an axe to grind with him cause of the custody battle going on?
I don't even want to think about him harming Haleigh...
still holding out hope that she will be found alive...


I don't know of any custody battle going on~but I believe he is an abuser and a drug user, sometimes they go hand in hand.....I think it's a credible jump IMO to assume he's an abuser, CS's father issued an affadavit stating these facts, and all these women seem petrified of him~hell, the the look in his eyes and his anger issues scare me.

I think that it was Crystals mother who mentioned the custody battle...that Ron doesn't always let Crystal talk to the kids etc...
It is hard to say if he is an abuser...I agree that he does seem to have some anger and a nasty mouth on him...will have to wait and see how it all plays out...
I do agree as well that some of his crying and his wording seem contrived and not sincere in some interviews and then more sincere in other interviews...Susan Smith I felt right away that she was guilty...with Ron I don't...he and Misty know more than they are saying I think...
Hopefully she will be found soon...and we will have the answers...

Also, does anyone know if the families are out looking for Haleigh? I think that if it were me, I would have to be knocking on doors and walking up and down streets just so that I would feel like I was doing something to find her...Just sitting there waiting would drive me crazy...


See, I felt that way immediately after his first interveiw with his mom (the one where he goes from whining/crying and falling on the ground) to speaking sharp in an instant.....then I thought maybe he might not be directly involved, but now I'm leaning back towards him, and maybe he's using Misty to throw under the bus by giving her a convuluted story to call 911 etc., and I think when she can't keep her story straight, he contradicts her.......just my impression at the moment.

I heard there were some searchers out yesterday around the trailer, I agree I would feel helpless-but usually they don't allow direct family to search.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 22, 2009, 08:52:08 PM
quote::::: Did you see one of the original interviews of RC and Misty?  She was being asked questions and he put his hand over his mike that was attached to his shirt, and said, "look at the camera when you are talking!" she said "I am", and continued to look fleeting at the camera, and then down.  that is what raised my doubt of his control factor, even on camera.

did not see that one, or if I did, I missed that part!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 08:53:19 PM
Rana and Islandmonkey, I'm on the same page as you are. Again I hope I'm wrong, and happy to say I am, but Ron is frightening to me and I don't believe anything he says.

I hate it, but I can't help the way I feel......and lying on nat'l tv about his drug use was just absurd, CS admitted it and I applaud her for that, don't pull that same old BS on me. It reminds me of Cindy Anthony "a lie is not a crime", well when a child is missing-it damn well should be. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Island...of course you can't help the way that you feel and what your gut tells you...none of us can...we just get a feeling about someone, just natural for that to happen....We have to trust our instincts...
I agree about trusting instincts and gut feelings. I also think many sensitive,  compassionate people pick up on subconscious things like micro-exoressions and little subtle clues. We may not realize why we feel something, but there's a reason -  like that tiny, fraction of a second expression, a tone, the meta-message, body language that screams this or that. It all adds up.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 08:54:34 PM
Rana and Islandmonkey, I'm on the same page as you are. Again I hope I'm wrong, and happy to say I am, but Ron is frightening to me and I don't believe anything he says.

I hate it, but I can't help the way I feel......and lying on nat'l tv about his drug use was just absurd, CS admitted it and I applaud her for that, don't pull that same old BS on me. It reminds me of Cindy Anthony "a lie is not a crime", well when a child is missing-it damn well should be. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Island...of course you can't help the way that you feel and what your gut tells you...none of us can...we just get a feeling about someone, just natural for that to happen....We have to trust our instincts...

Thanks cookie~I appreciate your understanding of everyone's opnions......O/T cookie was my hs nickname (no idea why though ::MonkeyConfused:: )


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 08:58:38 PM
quote::::: Did you see one of the original interviews of RC and Misty?  She was being asked questions and he put his hand over his mike that was attached to his shirt, and said, "look at the camera when you are talking!" she said "I am", and continued to look fleeting at the camera, and then down.  that is what raised my doubt of his control factor, even on camera.

did not see that one, or if I did, I missed that part!

IIRC, it was with GVS and she was asking tough questions, it was the one where Misty goes from saying the bed was 4 inches to Ron correcting her over and over and finally he says it was 4 feetin betwee the two beds.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 22, 2009, 09:05:23 PM
Island...thanks .... I did not see that interview  with GVS...I usually watch her too...
Funny that your nickname used to be Cookie.... ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 09:09:09 PM
but we don't have any real proof that Ron did beat his wife or anyone else...no police reports, only someone else's word for it... someone who doesn't much like him...and might have an axe to grind with him cause of the custody battle going on?
I don't even want to think about him harming Haleigh...
still holding out hope that she will be found alive...

I don't know of any custody battle going on~but I believe he is an abuser and a drug user, sometimes they go hand in hand.....I think it's a credible jump IMO to assume he's an abuser, CS's father issued an affadavit stating these facts, and all these women seem petrified of him~hell, the the look in his eyes and his anger issues scare me.

O/T...

Alot of women don't call the police when they have been abused over and over again. You tip
 
toe around trying to make everthing perfect everything is in place but guess what it will

never be perfect because they find something else.. Someone told me it will never be enough

because thats how they want it. Mind control.. They start out calling you names-Then they

start breaking shit up, cutting  phone line so you can't call anyone and you can't go to a

neighbors house you look a mess you have bruises and boy are you embarrest..
 
Thats right embarrest.. And again he would walk out of the house..Last but not least the

physcial abuse start.. Its funny in front of family and freinds he would treat me like gold until

we got into the car to go home..The neighbors know you through the public work you do in

the area so you keep it hush hush.. He would tell my kids your mother is nuts.. All the
 
breaking up stuff and physical abuse was during the day when the kids  were in school.. So I

got smart I started putting my commissions in a seperated bank account but he found my visa

card in my purse in the evening and h&ll broke through in front of the kids glass all over

breaking everything he could see and then went to go after me but my sons broke it up.

Thats when I finally called the police got a restraining order and finally got a divorce and

moved ..The things I could tell ya would make your head spin... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 09:11:49 PM
Island...thanks .... I did not see that interview  with GVS...I usually watch her too...
Funny that your nickname used to be Cookie.... ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: I always wanted to know why though.....it's not like I ate cookies all day, funny how you get pegged with a nic and it stays with you forever ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 09:13:31 PM

Yes, Islandmonkey, and it strikes me as significant  - in some way - that we haven't heard from AC man, Misty's visiting brother, coworkers, the boss at Ron's job, etc. I mean, everyone, their great granny, Amanda the generic neighbor, Aunty with the thing on her head bless her heart, and Adam's house cat have been heard from and questioned on the tube, but we've not gotten not word one - that I know of -  from these people (AC man, brother etc) who could possibly vouch for and support Misty and Ron's version of the story. (Of course they'd have to choose one from a myriad of versions of the story to support or refute, but still...) It seems these (IMO) very relevant folks' statements have been conspicuously absent from the media-fest. Must be a reason. I realize that someone posted that AC was cleared but still it's odd to me that he hasn't been HEARD from. (especially if he's been cleared) Jus sayin.


Great point, that along with the trailer not being release PLUS the Sheriff stating for the media that he's calling this an "abduction", because you draw more attention and get more bang for the buck ::MonkeyConfused::.............that leads me to wnder if he truly believes it WAS an abduction because if he did, why would he even make that statement????????

Good catch. That one got past me. But yeah, why even say that...... like that?

Curious-er and curious-er....



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 22, 2009, 09:18:37 PM
Jersey...you were very brave indeed!
Of course abuse is usually hidden....for fear that the abuse will be worse if you tell anyone. a police report is of course not always filed...

In the case of Ron and Crystal, my point is that it could have happened, maybe not...we don't know all the facts yet...
I still find it strange that a mom would leave the abuse herself but leave her children there with the abuser.. in this case Haleigh and Ronnie Jr.....who would protect them then if she is gone? Not judging her or anyone else in these situations, I just don't have any respect for her to leave little ones alone with him if she was that afraid of him...And also with the court case with custody..she didn't even show up at the court room from what I read/heard...Wouldn't the abuse of her been public record when trying to win the kids back with her?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: janetruth on February 22, 2009, 09:20:00 PM
I am glad to see I am not the only one who thinks Geraldo is B-rated show at best. Ever notice that he never gets clips in the right place and sound is always off. His technical crew stinks. Probably a family member. LE should really get on HIS case if he comes back.

About the spanking thing. In trying to be to up-front can sink your ship, that is for sure. You can bet Ron has been under the microscope since winning custody. Social services follows up and makes home visits and make reports. At least in NY they do. I am sure he took parent classes.

 I have to tell you this. I spanked!! At about 10 my son told me to F myself. Without ANY thought at all I back-handed him across the lips hard. We do not speak that way and it threw me. I still feel guilty BUT....he has never spoke to me like that again. He is 27.
Wonder what Geraldo would say about that?

At the end and no rise from Ron, He pushes past Geraldo and gets to the camera and begins to beg for his child. This is very telling to me and I believe he does not know where she is and wants her home desperately.    Sorry Geraldo..He didn't snap and we all know that's what you wanted.

I'm not so sure about Florida.  Their child services have a poor history.  There was a huge scandal a few years ago about kids missing from the foster care system--lost completely, with nobody the wiser for years.

Or how bout this story..
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41493

I need a barf and hanky warning for stories like that.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 09:20:06 PM
but we don't have any real proof that Ron did beat his wife or anyone else...no police reports, only someone else's word for it... someone who doesn't much like him...and might have an axe to grind with him cause of the custody battle going on?
I don't even want to think about him harming Haleigh...
still holding out hope that she will be found alive...

I don't know of any custody battle going on~but I believe he is an abuser and a drug user, sometimes they go hand in hand.....I think it's a credible jump IMO to assume he's an abuser, CS's father issued an affadavit stating these facts, and all these women seem petrified of him~hell, the the look in his eyes and his anger issues scare me.

O/T...

Alot of women don't call the police when they have been abused over and over again. You tip
 
toe around trying to make everthing perfect everything is in place but guess what it will

never be perfect because they find something else.. Someone told me it will never be enough

because thats how they want it. Mind control.. They start out calling you names-Then they

start breaking shit up, cutting  phone line so you can't call anyone and you can't go to a

neighbors house you look a mess you have bruises and boy are you embarrest..
 
Thats right embarrest.. And again he would walk out of the house..Last but not least the

physcial abuse start.. Its funny in front of family and freinds he would treat me like gold until

we got into the car to go home..The neighbors know you through the public work you do in

the area so you keep it hush hush.. He would tell my kids your mother is nuts.. All the
 
breaking up stuff and physical abuse was during the day when the kids  were in school.. So I

got smart I started putting my commissions in a seperated bank account but he found my visa

card in my purse in the evening and h&ll broke through in front of the kids glass all over

breaking everything he could see and then went to go after me but my sons broke it up.

Thats when I finally called the police got a restraining order and finally got a divorce and

moved ..The things I could tell ya would make your head spin... ::MonkeyTongue::

Sorry to hear that JG~I think that most people are ashamed, same thing as when your child has been molested, or you are raped...........we shouldn't carry the shame, they should. We have done nothing wrong to deserve these things that others do to us, it is such a projection of their problems, self esteem issues and violent nature tand no one deserves that.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 09:23:38 PM
Jersey...you were very brave indeed!
Of course abuse is usually hidden....for fear that the abuse will be worse if you tell anyone. a police report is of course not always filed...

In the case of Ron and Crystal, my point is that it could have happened, maybe not...we don't know all the facts yet...
I still find it strange that a mom would leave the abuse herself but leave her children there with the abuser.. in this case Haleigh and Ronnie Jr.....who would protect them then if she is gone? Not judging her or anyone else in these situations, I just don't have any respect for her to leave little ones alone with him if she was that afraid of him...And also with the court case with custody..she didn't even show up at the court room from what I read/heard...Wouldn't the abuse of her been public record when trying to win the kids back with her?

Its kinda funny in my case he never goes after the kids just me..... I am a strong person now

and been by myself now for 5 years.. And I love the idea being by myself -no one to order you

around... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 09:25:52 PM
but we don't have any real proof that Ron did beat his wife or anyone else...no police reports, only someone else's word for it... someone who doesn't much like him...and might have an axe to grind with him cause of the custody battle going on?
I don't even want to think about him harming Haleigh...
still holding out hope that she will be found alive...

I don't know of any custody battle going on~but I believe he is an abuser and a drug user, sometimes they go hand in hand.....I think it's a credible jump IMO to assume he's an abuser, CS's father issued an affadavit stating these facts, and all these women seem petrified of him~hell, the the look in his eyes and his anger issues scare me.

Did you see one of the original interviews of RC and Misty?  She was being asked questions and he put his hand over his mike that was attached to his shirt, and said, "look at the camera when you are talking!" she said "I am", and continued to look fleeting at the camera, and then down.  that is what raised my doubt of his control factor, even on camera. 
That interview was very telling to me, and I said the other day it seems Misty is following a script and she is having a hard time remembering it.
Yes on the scripted feel and vibe that Misty gives off. Also, back in the day, someone under 18 would "get off," as they say, or get a lighter sentence or probation for a crime. (Things have changed - minors are on trial as adults in some cases) But I sort of wondered if in addition to wanting to shift blame to Misty (and make her look suspicous with all the changing hesitant and inconsistent story versions) if he thought she could "get away with" more due to her age, gender, and petite size and he's coaching her to cover for him.

Also I can't get over her lengthy foray into the travails and detailed account of the blankets which was just plain odd. It seemed to me to be deliberately inserted and strangely, overly detailed for someone who couldn't recall other significant aspects of what transpired. She sure knew an awful lot about those blankets.... and when and why and what not. Dang.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 09:29:37 PM
but we don't have any real proof that Ron did beat his wife or anyone else...no police reports, only someone else's word for it... someone who doesn't much like him...and might have an axe to grind with him cause of the custody battle going on?
I don't even want to think about him harming Haleigh...
still holding out hope that she will be found alive...

I don't know of any custody battle going on~but I believe he is an abuser and a drug user, sometimes they go hand in hand.....I think it's a credible jump IMO to assume he's an abuser, CS's father issued an affadavit stating these facts, and all these women seem petrified of him~hell, the the look in his eyes and his anger issues scare me.

Did you see one of the original interviews of RC and Misty?  She was being asked questions and he put his hand over his mike that was attached to his shirt, and said, "look at the camera when you are talking!" she said "I am", and continued to look fleeting at the camera, and then down.  that is what raised my doubt of his control factor, even on camera. 
That interview was very telling to me, and I said the other day it seems Misty is following a script and she is having a hard time remembering it.
Yes on the scripted feel and vibe that Misty gives off. Also, back in the day, someone under 18 would "get off," as they say, or get a lighter sentence or probation for a crime. (Things have changed - minors are on trial as adults in some cases) But I sort of wondered if in addition to wanting to shift blame to Misty (and make her look suspicous with all the changing hesitant and inconsistent story versions) if he thought she could "get away with" more due to her age, gender, and petite size and he's coaching her to cover for him.

Also I can't get over her lengthy foray into the travails and detailed account of the blankets which was just plain odd. It seemed to me to be deliberately inserted and strangely, overly detailed for someone who couldn't recall other significant aspects of what transpired. She sure knew an awful lot about those blankets.... and when and why and what not. Dang.

ITA.... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 09:32:12 PM
but we don't have any real proof that Ron did beat his wife or anyone else...no police reports, only someone else's word for it... someone who doesn't much like him...and might have an axe to grind with him cause of the custody battle going on?
I don't even want to think about him harming Haleigh...
still holding out hope that she will be found alive...

I don't know of any custody battle going on~but I believe he is an abuser and a drug user, sometimes they go hand in hand.....I think it's a credible jump IMO to assume he's an abuser, CS's father issued an affadavit stating these facts, and all these women seem petrified of him~hell, the the look in his eyes and his anger issues scare me.

Did you see one of the original interviews of RC and Misty?  She was being asked questions and he put his hand over his mike that was attached to his shirt, and said, "look at the camera when you are talking!" she said "I am", and continued to look fleeting at the camera, and then down.  that is what raised my doubt of his control factor, even on camera. 
That interview was very telling to me, and I said the other day it seems Misty is following a script and she is having a hard time remembering it.
Yes on the scripted feel and vibe that Misty gives off. Also, back in the day, someone under 18 would "get off," as they say, or get a lighter sentence or probation for a crime. (Things have changed - minors are on trial as adults in some cases) But I sort of wondered if in addition to wanting to shift blame to Misty (and make her look suspicous with all the changing hesitant and inconsistent story versions) if he thought she could "get away with" more due to her age, gender, and petite size and he's coaching her to cover for him.

Also I can't get over her lengthy foray into the travails and detailed account of the blankets which was just plain odd. It seemed to me to be deliberately inserted and strangely, overly detailed for someone who couldn't recall other significant aspects of what transpired. She sure knew an awful lot about those blankets.... and when and why and what not. Dang.

Ditto~I was always curious about that d@mn blanket and her rambling on and on about odd details....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: darla on February 22, 2009, 09:34:16 PM
Good Evening Monkeys! Been trying to catch up here and on Caylee thread. Was praying little Haleigh had been found today.

I have the feeling that Ron knows exactly where Haleigh is and yes he is an abuser. If he is that verbal and ugly in public you can be sure it is 10 times worse behind closed doors.

Jersey girl...I can relate to your post.....been there....done that.....and bought the whole lot of t-shirts. Started with the verbal then grew worse. I have been beat to a pulp because I looked at him the wrong way....I made more money on my check....I didn't get excited enough when his cousin bought the house across the road from us and on and on. I could tell you things that would make you throw up and I have things that I will take to my grave with me. But I sneaked me and my kids out in the middle of the night while he was passed out drunk. That was 29 years ago tomorrow.

And something else has been bugging me. How do they build bridges and use cranes in the middle of the night? I am old and not the brightest crayon in the box...but moving steel and concrete at night just seems dangerous to me. Around here they work during daylight hours.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 09:34:28 PM
but we don't have any real proof that Ron did beat his wife or anyone else...no police reports, only someone else's word for it... someone who doesn't much like him...and might have an axe to grind with him cause of the custody battle going on?
I don't even want to think about him harming Haleigh...
still holding out hope that she will be found alive...

I don't know of any custody battle going on~but I believe he is an abuser and a drug user, sometimes they go hand in hand.....I think it's a credible jump IMO to assume he's an abuser, CS's father issued an affadavit stating these facts, and all these women seem petrified of him~hell, the the look in his eyes and his anger issues scare me.

Did you see one of the original interviews of RC and Misty?  She was being asked questions and he put his hand over his mike that was attached to his shirt, and said, "look at the camera when you are talking!" she said "I am", and continued to look fleeting at the camera, and then down.  that is what raised my doubt of his control factor, even on camera. 
That interview was very telling to me, and I said the other day it seems Misty is following a script and she is having a hard time remembering it.
Yes on the scripted feel and vibe that Misty gives off. Also, back in the day, someone under 18 would "get off," as they say, or get a lighter sentence or probation for a crime. (Things have changed - minors are on trial as adults in some cases) But I sort of wondered if in addition to wanting to shift blame to Misty (and make her look suspicous with all the changing hesitant and inconsistent story versions) if he thought she could "get away with" more due to her age, gender, and petite size and he's coaching her to cover for him.

Also I can't get over her lengthy foray into the travails and detailed account of the blankets which was just plain odd. It seemed to me to be deliberately inserted and strangely, overly detailed for someone who couldn't recall other significant aspects of what transpired. She sure knew an awful lot about those blankets.... and when and why and what not. Dang.

Ditto~I was always curious about that d@mn blanket and her rambling on and on about odd details....

I remember the comment about the blankets was so off the wall.. Does anyone recall what

she said about the blankets?? ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 22, 2009, 09:38:42 PM
the blanket comment was strange...she said that she was washing them cause they had been peed on so she had covered Haleigh with a sheet when she went to bed..but then I swear I read on here where she said that she was cuddled up in her bed with the blanket while watching movies...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 09:39:30 PM
Good Evening Monkeys! Been trying to catch up here and on Caylee thread. Was praying little Haleigh had been found today.

I have the feeling that Ron knows exactly where Haleigh is and yes he is an abuser. If he is that verbal and ugly in public you can be sure it is 10 times worse behind closed doors.

Jersey girl...I can relate to your post.....been there....done that.....and bought the whole lot of t-shirts. Started with the verbal then grew worse. I have been beat to a pulp because I looked at him the wrong way....I made more money on my check....I didn't get excited enough when his cousin bought the house across the road from us and on and on. I could tell you things that would make you throw up and I have things that I will take to my grave with me. But I sneaked me and my kids out in the middle of the night while he was passed out drunk. That was 29 years ago tomorrow.

And something else has been bugging me. How do they build bridges and use cranes in the middle of the night? I am old and not the brightest crayon in the box...but moving steel and concrete at night just seems dangerous to me. Around here they work during daylight hours.

Glad to meet you darla-  :smt058

I know in NJ they do alot of work on the roads, bridges @ night.. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 09:40:12 PM
We need to dig up the clip of her blanket recitation b/c it is a MUST SEE.

Especially since NO ONE ASKED HER about the blankets.

Does anyone know if a blanket was missing? It sounded like she was trying to account for a missing blanket or either to account for why some things were overly, newly, clean... relatively speaking.

And good grief, someone's already said this but wouldn't the SHEETS be wet too? Or rather... wet, then dry, and then later, "smelled like pee." The blanket is on top. The sheets are underneath.

gah.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: darla on February 22, 2009, 09:41:45 PM
Nice to meet you too Jersey...I didn't know they did that at night. Here in S.C. they stop before it gets dark. They do some roadwork at night but not bridges.

I have been alone for 29 years and would not have it any other way.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 09:42:14 PM
the blanket comment was strange...she said that she was washing them cause they had been peed on so she had covered Haleigh with a sheet when she went to bed..but then I swear I read on here where she said that she was cuddled up in her bed with the blanket while watching movies...

HMMMM- iI you go to the transcript lounge they have told to many stories.. If you tell the truth the story doesnt change.. I believe Mark Krass said that... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 09:45:52 PM

And something else has been bugging me. How do they build bridges and use cranes in the middle of the night? I am old and not the brightest crayon in the box...but moving steel and concrete at night just seems dangerous to me. Around here they work during daylight hours.

The odd work hours don't bother me as much as the work itself makes me go "hhmmm." Bridges... water... middle of the night. Seems like sort of a construction-related job, right? Construction..... cement pouring.....
 
Someone else touched on this idea. Some may call it a morbid thought, but it did cross my mind too.

Surely he's not that brazen.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 09:46:02 PM
Good Evening Monkeys! Been trying to catch up here and on Caylee thread. Was praying little Haleigh had been found today.

I have the feeling that Ron knows exactly where Haleigh is and yes he is an abuser. If he is that verbal and ugly in public you can be sure it is 10 times worse behind closed doors.

Jersey girl...I can relate to your post.....been there....done that.....and bought the whole lot of t-shirts. Started with the verbal then grew worse. I have been beat to a pulp because I looked at him the wrong way....I made more money on my check....I didn't get excited enough when his cousin bought the house across the road from us and on and on. I could tell you things that would make you throw up and I have things that I will take to my grave with me. But I sneaked me and my kids out in the middle of the night while he was passed out drunk. That was 29 years ago tomorrow.

And something else has been bugging me. How do they build bridges and use cranes in the middle of the night? I am old and not the brightest crayon in the box...but moving steel and concrete at night just seems dangerous to me. Around here they work during daylight hours.

Congratulations on your upcoming anniversary of getting away from an @sshole ......I know where my dad works (Gerdau Ameristeel), they do use the cranes at night, but that is inside, outside I doubt it. Does anyone know how long RC has worked at PDM?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 22, 2009, 09:46:56 PM
but we don't have any real proof that Ron did beat his wife or anyone else...no police reports, only someone else's word for it... someone who doesn't much like him...and might have an axe to grind with him cause of the custody battle going on?
I don't even want to think about him harming Haleigh...
still holding out hope that she will be found alive...

I don't know of any custody battle going on~but I believe he is an abuser and a drug user, sometimes they go hand in hand.....I think it's a credible jump IMO to assume he's an abuser, CS's father issued an affadavit stating these facts, and all these women seem petrified of him~hell, the the look in his eyes and his anger issues scare me.

O/T...

Alot of women don't call the police when they have been abused over and over again. You tip
 
toe around trying to make everthing perfect everything is in place but guess what it will

never be perfect because they find something else.. Someone told me it will never be enough

because thats how they want it. Mind control.. They start out calling you names-Then they

start breaking shit up, cutting  phone line so you can't call anyone and you can't go to a

neighbors house you look a mess you have bruises and boy are you embarrest..
 
Thats right embarrest.. And again he would walk out of the house..Last but not least the

physcial abuse start.. Its funny in front of family and freinds he would treat me like gold until

we got into the car to go home..The neighbors know you through the public work you do in

the area so you keep it hush hush.. He would tell my kids your mother is nuts.. All the
 
breaking up stuff and physical abuse was during the day when the kids  were in school.. So I

got smart I started putting my commissions in a seperated bank account but he found my visa

card in my purse in the evening and h&ll broke through in front of the kids glass all over

breaking everything he could see and then went to go after me but my sons broke it up.

Thats when I finally called the police got a restraining order and finally got a divorce and

moved ..The things I could tell ya would make your head spin... ::MonkeyTongue::

I am sorry you went through all that JG....my sister walked in your shoes for 27 years. Had to quit her job cause she was too embarassed to go to work when the kids were little and he blackened her eyes. Then he just stuck to verbal/emotional. She couldn't call the cops because his sis was the cops. Finally left him and he killed himself at her apartment. Unfortunately it caused estrangement  with her kids cause he had turned them against her. After 2 yrs things are slowly getting better. Sorry for the O/T but I am so proud of all the women who finally choose themselves for once!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 09:49:21 PM
but we don't have any real proof that Ron did beat his wife or anyone else...no police reports, only someone else's word for it... someone who doesn't much like him...and might have an axe to grind with him cause of the custody battle going on?
I don't even want to think about him harming Haleigh...
still holding out hope that she will be found alive...

I don't know of any custody battle going on~but I believe he is an abuser and a drug user, sometimes they go hand in hand.....I think it's a credible jump IMO to assume he's an abuser, CS's father issued an affadavit stating these facts, and all these women seem petrified of him~hell, the the look in his eyes and his anger issues scare me.

Did you see one of the original interviews of RC and Misty?  She was being asked questions and he put his hand over his mike that was attached to his shirt, and said, "look at the camera when you are talking!" she said "I am", and continued to look fleeting at the camera, and then down.  that is what raised my doubt of his control factor, even on camera. 
That interview was very telling to me, and I said the other day it seems Misty is following a script and she is having a hard time remembering it.
Yes on the scripted feel and vibe that Misty gives off. Also, back in the day, someone under 18 would "get off," as they say, or get a lighter sentence or probation for a crime. (Things have changed - minors are on trial as adults in some cases) But I sort of wondered if in addition to wanting to shift blame to Misty (and make her look suspicous with all the changing hesitant and inconsistent story versions) if he thought she could "get away with" more due to her age, gender, and petite size and he's coaching her to cover for him.

Also I can't get over her lengthy foray into the travails and detailed account of the blankets which was just plain odd. It seemed to me to be deliberately inserted and strangely, overly detailed for someone who couldn't recall other significant aspects of what transpired. She sure knew an awful lot about those blankets.... and when and why and what not. Dang.

Ditto~I was always curious about that d@mn blanket and her rambling on and on about odd details....

I remember the comment about the blankets was so off the wall.. Does anyone recall what

she said about the blankets?? ::MonkeyTongue::

you'd need a freaking transcript to follow it~but it is the one where she is on the couch with her mother, and how she had to take the blanket off the window because Haleigh had an accident and the other one "they took in the van", so she had to wash two of them, blah, blah, blah..........


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 09:51:42 PM
but we don't have any real proof that Ron did beat his wife or anyone else...no police reports, only someone else's word for it... someone who doesn't much like him...and might have an axe to grind with him cause of the custody battle going on?
I don't even want to think about him harming Haleigh...
still holding out hope that she will be found alive...

I don't know of any custody battle going on~but I believe he is an abuser and a drug user, sometimes they go hand in hand.....I think it's a credible jump IMO to assume he's an abuser, CS's father issued an affadavit stating these facts, and all these women seem petrified of him~hell, the the look in his eyes and his anger issues scare me.

O/T...

Alot of women don't call the police when they have been abused over and over again. You tip
 
toe around trying to make everthing perfect everything is in place but guess what it will

never be perfect because they find something else.. Someone told me it will never be enough

because thats how they want it. Mind control.. They start out calling you names-Then they

start breaking shit up, cutting  phone line so you can't call anyone and you can't go to a

neighbors house you look a mess you have bruises and boy are you embarrest..
 
Thats right embarrest.. And again he would walk out of the house..Last but not least the

physcial abuse start.. Its funny in front of family and freinds he would treat me like gold until

we got into the car to go home..The neighbors know you through the public work you do in

the area so you keep it hush hush.. He would tell my kids your mother is nuts.. All the
 
breaking up stuff and physical abuse was during the day when the kids  were in school.. So I

got smart I started putting my commissions in a seperated bank account but he found my visa

card in my purse in the evening and h&ll broke through in front of the kids glass all over

breaking everything he could see and then went to go after me but my sons broke it up.

Thats when I finally called the police got a restraining order and finally got a divorce and

moved ..The things I could tell ya would make your head spin... ::MonkeyTongue::

I am sorry you went through all that JG....my sister walked in your shoes for 27 years. Had to quit her job cause she was too embarassed to go to work when the kids were little and he blackened her eyes. Then he just stuck to verbal/emotional. She couldn't call the cops because his sis was the cops. Finally left him and he killed himself at her apartment. Unfortunately it caused estrangement  with her kids cause he had turned them against her. After 2 yrs things are slowly getting better. Sorry for the O/T but I am so proud of all the women who finally choose themselves for once!

Thank you.. God Bless Your Sister...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 09:52:52 PM
but we don't have any real proof that Ron did beat his wife or anyone else...no police reports, only someone else's word for it... someone who doesn't much like him...and might have an axe to grind with him cause of the custody battle going on?
I don't even want to think about him harming Haleigh...
still holding out hope that she will be found alive...

I don't know of any custody battle going on~but I believe he is an abuser and a drug user, sometimes they go hand in hand.....I think it's a credible jump IMO to assume he's an abuser, CS's father issued an affadavit stating these facts, and all these women seem petrified of him~hell, the the look in his eyes and his anger issues scare me.

Did you see one of the original interviews of RC and Misty?  She was being asked questions and he put his hand over his mike that was attached to his shirt, and said, "look at the camera when you are talking!" she said "I am", and continued to look fleeting at the camera, and then down.  that is what raised my doubt of his control factor, even on camera. 
That interview was very telling to me, and I said the other day it seems Misty is following a script and she is having a hard time remembering it.
Yes on the scripted feel and vibe that Misty gives off. Also, back in the day, someone under 18 would "get off," as they say, or get a lighter sentence or probation for a crime. (Things have changed - minors are on trial as adults in some cases) But I sort of wondered if in addition to wanting to shift blame to Misty (and make her look suspicous with all the changing hesitant and inconsistent story versions) if he thought she could "get away with" more due to her age, gender, and petite size and he's coaching her to cover for him.

Also I can't get over her lengthy foray into the travails and detailed account of the blankets which was just plain odd. It seemed to me to be deliberately inserted and strangely, overly detailed for someone who couldn't recall other significant aspects of what transpired. She sure knew an awful lot about those blankets.... and when and why and what not. Dang.

Ditto~I was always curious about that d@mn blanket and her rambling on and on about odd details....

I remember the comment about the blankets was so off the wall.. Does anyone recall what

she said about the blankets?? ::MonkeyTongue::

you'd need a freaking transcript to follow it~but it is the one where she is on the couch with her mother, and how she had to take the blanket off the window because Haleigh had an accident and the other one "they took in the van", so she had to wash two of them, blah, blah, blah..........


Huhhh... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: darla on February 22, 2009, 09:55:33 PM
IM I think there was some different tales on how long he worked at that job. But 3PM to 3AM seem like odd hours to me...or 6PM to 3 AM....Most places around here it is either 6 to 6 or 8 to 8 . Something is just way off with the whole story. it has been almost 2 weeks and they can't return home. They have not returned the car that I know of. And they sent TIm home and stopped the searches. Something happened it that trailer or in that car.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 09:57:00 PM
IM I think there was some different tales on how long he worked at that job. But 3PM to 3AM seem like odd hours to me...or 6PM to 3 AM....Most places around here it is either 6 to 6 or 8 to 8 . Something is just way off with the whole story. it has been almost 2 weeks and they can't return home. They have not returned the car that I know of. And they sent TIm home and stopped the searches. Something happened it that trailer or in that car.

Was it Ron's vehicle the LE confiscated? ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 22, 2009, 09:58:08 PM
Good Evening Monkeys! Been trying to catch up here and on Caylee thread. Was praying little Haleigh had been found today.

I have the feeling that Ron knows exactly where Haleigh is and yes he is an abuser. If he is that verbal and ugly in public you can be sure it is 10 times worse behind closed doors.

Jersey girl...I can relate to your post.....been there....done that.....and bought the whole lot of t-shirts. Started with the verbal then grew worse. I have been beat to a pulp because I looked at him the wrong way....I made more money on my check....I didn't get excited enough when his cousin bought the house across the road from us and on and on. I could tell you things that would make you throw up and I have things that I will take to my grave with me. But I sneaked me and my kids out in the middle of the night while he was passed out drunk. That was 29 years ago tomorrow.

And something else has been bugging me. How do they build bridges and use cranes in the middle of the night? I am old and not the brightest crayon in the box...but moving steel and concrete at night just seems dangerous to me. Around here they work during daylight hours.

Congratulations on your upcoming anniversary of getting away from an @sshole ......I know where my dad works (Gerdau Ameristeel), they do use the cranes at night, but that is inside, outside I doubt it. Does anyone know how long RC has worked at PDM?

They have super high powered lights construction workers use at night. I have been on interstate when they are in use and they are like daylight! I have no idea how long RC has worked for PDM... is there any database we cansearch to see when he got his heavy equipment license?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: darla on February 22, 2009, 09:58:59 PM
IM I think there was some different tales on how long he worked at that job. But 3PM to 3AM seem like odd hours to me...or 6PM to 3 AM....Most places around here it is either 6 to 6 or 8 to 8 . Something is just way off with the whole story. it has been almost 2 weeks and they can't return home. They have not returned the car that I know of. And they sent TIm home and stopped the searches. Something happened it that trailer or in that car.

Was it Ron's vehicle the LE confiscated? ::MonkeyTongue::

Not sure...I would think so. I don't know if Misty had a car or not...I would not think so.No job .


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 10:01:02 PM
IM I think there was some different tales on how long he worked at that job. But 3PM to 3AM seem like odd hours to me...or 6PM to 3 AM....Most places around here it is either 6 to 6 or 8 to 8 . Something is just way off with the whole story. it has been almost 2 weeks and they can't return home. They have not returned the car that I know of. And they sent TIm home and stopped the searches. Something happened it that trailer or in that car.

I mean how long as in months/yrs has he worked there.......although I have heard he worked different shifts.

Was his car the one confiscated, and if so-maybe something happened in both, one the actual crime scene and one a transport~just a theory to toss around if they indeed have his car.....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 10:03:05 PM
Whoraldo is on about haleigh.... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: darla on February 22, 2009, 10:03:34 PM
IM I think there was some different tales on how long he worked at that job. But 3PM to 3AM seem like odd hours to me...or 6PM to 3 AM....Most places around here it is either 6 to 6 or 8 to 8 . Something is just way off with the whole story. it has been almost 2 weeks and they can't return home. They have not returned the car that I know of. And they sent TIm home and stopped the searches. Something happened it that trailer or in that car.

I mean how long as in months/yrs has he worked there.......although I have heard he worked different shifts.

Was his car the one confiscated, and if so-maybe something happened in both, one the actual crime scene and one a transport~just a theory to toss around if they indeed have his car.....

I confused myself on that one lol.   I have heard two different tales about the length of  his time there. One said a long time then someone said a few months....so I really don't know ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 22, 2009, 10:06:06 PM
IM I think there was some different tales on how long he worked at that job. But 3PM to 3AM seem like odd hours to me...or 6PM to 3 AM....Most places around here it is either 6 to 6 or 8 to 8 . Something is just way off with the whole story. it has been almost 2 weeks and they can't return home. They have not returned the car that I know of. And they sent TIm home and stopped the searches. Something happened it that trailer or in that car.

Was it Ron's vehicle the LE confiscated? ::MonkeyTongue::

Not sure...I would think so. I don't know if Misty had a car or not...I would not think so.No job .

It was an ABC video I think off of www.firstcoastnews.com. She says stuff like: Well I put the kids to bed at 8 cause it was a school night and I put Haleigh to bed and I noticed her blanket smelled like pee she had peed the bed the night before so I washed it and there was another blanket by the window. There was a blanket out in the VAN also but they took that ( is she referring to the VAN being taken or the blanket), so I covered her up with a sheet cause I had to wash her blanket.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 10:10:53 PM
IM I think there was some different tales on how long he worked at that job. But 3PM to 3AM seem like odd hours to me...or 6PM to 3 AM....Most places around here it is either 6 to 6 or 8 to 8 . Something is just way off with the whole story. it has been almost 2 weeks and they can't return home. They have not returned the car that I know of. And they sent TIm home and stopped the searches. Something happened it that trailer or in that car.

Was it Ron's vehicle the LE confiscated? ::MonkeyTongue::

Not sure...I would think so. I don't know if Misty had a car or not...I would not think so.No job .

It was an ABC video I think off of www.firstcoastnews.com. She says stuff like: Well I put the kids to bed at 8 cause it was a school night and I put Haleigh to bed and I noticed her blanket smelled like pee she had peed the bed the night before so I washed it and there was another blanket by the window. There was a blanket out in the VAN also but they took that ( is she referring to the VAN being taken or the blanket), so I covered her up with a sheet cause I had to wash her blanket.

What van??? If Haleigh peed the bed the night before why didnt Misty wash the blanket and sheets that day..??? ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 22, 2009, 10:21:29 PM
IM I think there was some different tales on how long he worked at that job. But 3PM to 3AM seem like odd hours to me...or 6PM to 3 AM....Most places around here it is either 6 to 6 or 8 to 8 . Something is just way off with the whole story. it has been almost 2 weeks and they can't return home. They have not returned the car that I know of. And they sent TIm home and stopped the searches. Something happened it that trailer or in that car.

Was it Ron's vehicle the LE confiscated? ::MonkeyTongue::

Not sure...I would think so. I don't know if Misty had a car or not...I would not think so.No job .

It was an ABC video I think off of www.firstcoastnews.com. She says stuff like: Well I put the kids to bed at 8 cause it was a school night and I put Haleigh to bed and I noticed her blanket smelled like pee she had peed the bed the night before so I washed it and there was another blanket by the window. There was a blanket out in the VAN also but they took that ( is she referring to the VAN being taken or the blanket), so I covered her up with a sheet cause I had to wash her blanket.

What van??? If Haleigh peed the bed the night before why didnt Misty wash the blanket and sheets that day..??? ::MonkeyTongue::

What van..... that I do not know. Was Misty saying they took the blanket in the van ( meaning their CSI van), or they took the van ( her van) that had the other blanket in it. What I bolded above are her exact words from that interview. It does seem unlikely that she would have a vehicle as she has no job.
Why didn't she was the blanket that day? Idk that one either. RUMOR has it RC had just gotten her back after she went on a 3 day bender, she may not have known it had been dirty if she was not in the house. Or if she was in the house she may have forgotten all about it until it was time to use it. What I find interesting is gma at one point said Haleigh had no bed wetting issues. Children who are abused often do have those issues.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 10:23:22 PM
This is "prolly" nothing, but I'll ask it anyway. Does anyone find it odd that Ron is in a tent, or rather - now a camper, and not at his mom's multi bedroom home or some other friend or relative's house? It seems there's a reason and it doesn't strike me that the reason is that he's too emotionally tied to the exact area, the ground to leave.  I almost -  in the back burner of my foggy head - wonder if she's out there, close, and he's afraid to leave. IOW, if he leaves and he's somewhere else he'll be going crazy wondering if someone is getting "close" to finding her. This way he's there and knows where folks are and aren't.

Just recalling that Caylee was very close and wasn't found til... well... either Aug or Dec depending on how you regard the meter reader. Jon Benet was super super close (the basement) but she wasn't found exactly immediately. There are others. I hope she's alive, but what's the likely scenario for her being alive? That a ped took her and hasn't killed her yet? A horrible thought. That someone took her and sold her? Another horrible thought.

 Just thinking out loud.

Then there's that Occam's razor... the principle states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. IOW, whatever the simplest explanation is, is likely the correct one.

The intruder theory leaves too many things to chance for me and the flags go up for many weird things. The cinderblock propping, the turning on of the light, the leaving the door open, the NOT closing of the door upon seeing it "wide open," the not freaking out and thinking OMG could intuder still be here? Could be coming back let me lock the door, let me run grab BOTH kids oops one is missing but she seemed to know that it was Haleigh right off and not Jr. (from the blanket clip)

Then there's the past tense, "loved her" the "child's life back" comment and others,  the temper, the name calling, the anger, the over the top tears and angst, the short temper with reporters,  the flatout denial of true provable things, the history with LE and child services, the drug issues, the clearly enabling grandmother,.... on and on...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: darla on February 22, 2009, 10:23:40 PM
IM I think there was some different tales on how long he worked at that job. But 3PM to 3AM seem like odd hours to me...or 6PM to 3 AM....Most places around here it is either 6 to 6 or 8 to 8 . Something is just way off with the whole story. it has been almost 2 weeks and they can't return home. They have not returned the car that I know of. And they sent TIm home and stopped the searches. Something happened it that trailer or in that car.

Was it Ron's vehicle the LE confiscated? ::MonkeyTongue::

Not sure...I would think so. I don't know if Misty had a car or not...I would not think so.No job .

It was an ABC video I think off of www.firstcoastnews.com. She says stuff like: Well I put the kids to bed at 8 cause it was a school night and I put Haleigh to bed and I noticed her blanket smelled like pee she had peed the bed the night before so I washed it and there was another blanket by the window. There was a blanket out in the VAN also but they took that ( is she referring to the VAN being taken or the blanket, so I covered her up with a sheet cause I had to wash her blanket.



wow the statement in red just slapped me in the face....The cops had not taken the van at this point....so WHO took the blanket or the van?????


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 10:25:12 PM
IM I think there was some different tales on how long he worked at that job. But 3PM to 3AM seem like odd hours to me...or 6PM to 3 AM....Most places around here it is either 6 to 6 or 8 to 8 . Something is just way off with the whole story. it has been almost 2 weeks and they can't return home. They have not returned the car that I know of. And they sent TIm home and stopped the searches. Something happened it that trailer or in that car.

Was it Ron's vehicle the LE confiscated? ::MonkeyTongue::

Not sure...I would think so. I don't know if Misty had a car or not...I would not think so.No job .

It was an ABC video I think off of www.firstcoastnews.com. She says stuff like: Well I put the kids to bed at 8 cause it was a school night and I put Haleigh to bed and I noticed her blanket smelled like pee she had peed the bed the night before so I washed it and there was another blanket by the window. There was a blanket out in the VAN also but they took that ( is she referring to the VAN being taken or the blanket), so I covered her up with a sheet cause I had to wash her blanket.

What van??? If Haleigh peed the bed the night before why didnt Misty wash the blanket and sheets that day..??? ::MonkeyTongue::

What van..... that I do not know.

Was Misty saying they took the blanket in the van ( meaning their CSI van), or they took the van ( her van) that had the other blanket in it. What I bolded above are her exact words from that interview. It does seem unlikely that she would have a vehicle as she has no job.
Why didn't she was the blanket that day? Idk that one either. RUMOR has it RC had just gotten her back after she went on a 3 day bender, she may not have known it had been dirty if she was not in the house. Or if she was in the house she may have forgotten all about it until it was time to use it. What I find interesting is gma at one point said Haleigh had no bed wetting issues. Children who are abused often do have those issues.
It seems it would have to be a van other than an LE vehicle b/c she was recounting the story as it played out BEFORE LE showed up.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 10:26:16 PM
IM I think there was some different tales on how long he worked at that job. But 3PM to 3AM seem like odd hours to me...or 6PM to 3 AM....Most places around here it is either 6 to 6 or 8 to 8 . Something is just way off with the whole story. it has been almost 2 weeks and they can't return home. They have not returned the car that I know of. And they sent TIm home and stopped the searches. Something happened it that trailer or in that car.

Was it Ron's vehicle the LE confiscated? ::MonkeyTongue::

Not sure...I would think so. I don't know if Misty had a car or not...I would not think so.No job .

It was an ABC video I think off of www.firstcoastnews.com. She says stuff like: Well I put the kids to bed at 8 cause it was a school night and I put Haleigh to bed and I noticed her blanket smelled like pee she had peed the bed the night before so I washed it and there was another blanket by the window. There was a blanket out in the VAN also but they took that ( is she referring to the VAN being taken or the blanket, so I covered her up with a sheet cause I had to wash her blanket.



wow the statement in red just slapped me in the face....The cops had not taken the van at this point....so WHO took the blanket or the van?????
Yes, exactly.

Oddy McOdd....





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 22, 2009, 10:29:16 PM
she says Haleigh peed on her blanket the night before, she guesses, and her blanket was in the van that they took so she pulled a blanket off the window (blanket curtain) I guess and she washed both of them after wrapping Haleigh in a sheet.

Remember Misty supposedly had been on a 3 day bender and Ronald had just gone and gotten her back from where ever. so I assume the blanket was in the van that she had been staying in during the bender or it was in Ron's car/van he picked her up in and they took it, IDK, Ron and whoever?

I think the car  LE has is either the one in the pic next to the trailer w/tape around all of it or there is a rumor of an abandoned car in the woods?

I also think if you go w/they(Misty & Ron) are trying to pin it on a SO the blanket being removed off the window would have made a better story.  Meaning Misty and Ron did it and threw in the blanket being removed from the window(would have let a SO see into the room better) and the cinder block on the back door, but these two issues seem to have come to nothing???


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 10:32:03 PM
IM I think there was some different tales on how long he worked at that job. But 3PM to 3AM seem like odd hours to me...or 6PM to 3 AM....Most places around here it is either 6 to 6 or 8 to 8 . Something is just way off with the whole story. it has been almost 2 weeks and they can't return home. They have not returned the car that I know of. And they sent TIm home and stopped the searches. Something happened it that trailer or in that car.

Was it Ron's vehicle the LE confiscated? ::MonkeyTongue::

Not sure...I would think so. I don't know if Misty had a car or not...I would not think so.No job .

It was an ABC video I think off of www.firstcoastnews.com. She says stuff like: Well I put the kids to bed at 8 cause it was a school night and I put Haleigh to bed and I noticed her blanket smelled like pee she had peed the bed the night before so I washed it and there was another blanket by the window. There was a blanket out in the VAN also but they took that ( is she referring to the VAN being taken or the blanket), so I covered her up with a sheet cause I had to wash her blanket.

What van??? If Haleigh peed the bed the night before why didnt Misty wash the blanket and sheets that day..??? ::MonkeyTongue::

What van..... that I do not know. Was Misty saying they took the blanket in the van ( meaning their CSI van), or they took the van ( her van) that had the other blanket in it. What I bolded above are her exact words from that interview. It does seem unlikely that she would have a vehicle as she has no job.
Why didn't she was the blanket that day? Idk that one either.

RUMOR has it RC had just gotten her back after she went on a 3 day bender, she may not have known it had been dirty if she was not in the house. Or if she was in the house she may have forgotten all about it until it was time to use it. What I find interesting is gma at one point said Haleigh had no bed wetting issues. Children who are abused often do have those issues.
Speaking of the three day bender, I don't know the details either, and maybe someone could verify, but if it were true, I could SO see a controlling man like Ron coming back home at some time during his shift ("lunch" break or take two breaks on a 12 hour shift? And perhaps take one long break instead of two shorter ones? and swing by the house to make sure no one is catting around or slipping out of his control? )

Also, can anyone clear up where or if Ron said that he was not aware of any cinderblocks being in his backyard?



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Searching on February 22, 2009, 10:32:29 PM
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=375168442&blogID=437567302

Bradley McGee.. this has pictures of this beautiful boy as well as his story..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 10:32:30 PM
OMG Whoraldo talking to baass.... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 10:39:03 PM
she says Haleigh peed on her blanket the night before, she guesses, and her blanket was in the van that they took so she pulled a blanket off the window (blanket curtain) I guess and she washed both of them after wrapping Haleigh in a sheet.

Remember Misty supposedly had been on a 3 day bender and Ronald had just gone and gotten her back from where ever. so I assume the blanket was in the van that she had been staying in during the bender or it was in Ron's car/van he picked her up in and they took it, IDK, Ron and whoever?

I think the car  LE has is either the one in the pic next to the trailer w/tape around all of it or there is a rumor of an abandoned car in the woods?

I also think if you go w/they(Misty & Ron) are trying to pin it on a SO the blanket being removed off the window would have made a better story.  Meaning Misty and Ron did it and threw in the blanket being removed from the window(would have let a SO see into the room better) and the cinder block on the back door, but these two issues seem to have come to nothing???
Yes, that seems to have been deliberately insertee intot the story and not an integral part of the big picture... like it was told for the listeners' benefit.

Same with all the repeats of "I was AT WORK!!" a seemingly inordinate amount of times.

She didn't go into detal about, "I got out the pans, I cooked the beans,  I fed the kids, I washed the pots, I bathed the kids,...." She did NOT go thru all her duties one by one, so why single out and regale us with the overly long, very complicated, detailed, multi blanket story? Especially odd since bio mom AND grandmom said that Haleigh hadn't wet the bed since she was two.

 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 22, 2009, 10:39:39 PM
The 3 day bender to my knowledge is all rumor, I'm sure LE may know, but it fits in with weird stuff.  Like the blanket story, not knowing or being positive about times or what the children were wearing and her blanket being in the van that "they took".  Assuming this is belonging (Van) to whoever she was partying with. 

Another weird thing with Misty is that her Father apparently was in some type of accident that weekend also and broke his leg.

The bandage on Ron's neck, it is not there in the first video, it appears at some later point, I thought that was odd also.  Also in one of the first video's his left hand is pretty banged up??? 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 10:40:56 PM
OMG Whoraldo talking to baass.... ::MonkeyTongue::

Dang I missed it. He's talking to Bozo now. Did he mention the Ronnie altercation?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 22, 2009, 10:41:08 PM
IM I think there was some different tales on how long he worked at that job. But 3PM to 3AM seem like odd hours to me...or 6PM to 3 AM....Most places around here it is either 6 to 6 or 8 to 8 . Something is just way off with the whole story. it has been almost 2 weeks and they can't return home. They have not returned the car that I know of. And they sent TIm home and stopped the searches. Something happened it that trailer or in that car.

Was it Ron's vehicle the LE confiscated? ::MonkeyTongue::

Not sure...I would think so. I don't know if Misty had a car or not...I would not think so.No job .

It was an ABC video I think off of www.firstcoastnews.com. She says stuff like: Well I put the kids to bed at 8 cause it was a school night and I put Haleigh to bed and I noticed her blanket smelled like pee she had peed the bed the night before so I washed it and there was another blanket by the window. There was a blanket out in the VAN also but they took that ( is she referring to the VAN being taken or the blanket), so I covered her up with a sheet cause I had to wash her blanket.

What van??? If Haleigh peed the bed the night before why didnt Misty wash the blanket and sheets that day..??? ::MonkeyTongue::

What van..... that I do not know. Was Misty saying they took the blanket in the van ( meaning their CSI van), or they took the van ( her van) that had the other blanket in it. What I bolded above are her exact words from that interview. It does seem unlikely that she would have a vehicle as she has no job.
Why didn't she was the blanket that day? Idk that one either.

RUMOR has it RC had just gotten her back after she went on a 3 day bender, she may not have known it had been dirty if she was not in the house. Or if she was in the house she may have forgotten all about it until it was time to use it. What I find interesting is gma at one point said Haleigh had no bed wetting issues. Children who are abused often do have those issues.
Speaking of the three day bender, I don't know the details either, and maybe someone could verify, but if it were true, I could SO see a controlling man like Ron coming back home at some time during his shift ("lunch" break or take two breaks on a 12 hour shift? And perhaps take one long break instead of two shorter ones? and swing by the house to make sure no one is catting around or slipping out of his control? )

Also, can anyone clear up where or if Ron said that he was not aware of any cinderblocks being in his backyard?



Thats what I am beginning to think but we dont know his work / break schedule. Idk about the cinder block other than they both say they'd never seen it before.... and there were several in their backyard!

I do not know if it was Rons vehicle that was confiscated or this van that Misty talked about.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 10:42:34 PM
At time of the Dec. 2005 arrest, he was in violation of a restraining order.


HMMM~anyone know what county Sarasota is in.....I hate Bozo ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Searching on February 22, 2009, 10:43:42 PM
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=375168442&blogID=437567302

Bradley McGee.. this has pictures of this beautiful boy as well as his story..

Self edit, I forgot to mention, it also tells how many times DCF was called in the days prior to his death. This could have been prevented.. It has a lot more detail of the extent of what this poor baby went through so have tissues ready.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 22, 2009, 10:46:00 PM
I don't think these two live the rosey life some of us do....I have a SIL who rarely bathes the children, I've seen one in the same clothes 3 days in a row.  Feeding would be more a priority than cleaning here, not to be funny.  And another priority that goes along with somes abuse theories would be the shutting down of the house for the night ie: locking doors, turning off lights.

I want to believe them, but just lookin from the outside there are many inconsistancies and we haven't really been told anything of value or importance in this case unfortunatly.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 10:46:13 PM
IM I think there was some different tales on how long he worked at that job. But 3PM to 3AM seem like odd hours to me...or 6PM to 3 AM....Most places around here it is either 6 to 6 or 8 to 8 . Something is just way off with the whole story. it has been almost 2 weeks and they can't return home. They have not returned the car that I know of. And they sent TIm home and stopped the searches. Something happened it that trailer or in that car.

Was it Ron's vehicle the LE confiscated? ::MonkeyTongue::

Not sure...I would think so. I don't know if Misty had a car or not...I would not think so.No job .

It was an ABC video I think off of www.firstcoastnews.com. She says stuff like: Well I put the kids to bed at 8 cause it was a school night and I put Haleigh to bed and I noticed her blanket smelled like pee she had peed the bed the night before so I washed it and there was another blanket by the window. There was a blanket out in the VAN also but they took that ( is she referring to the VAN being taken or the blanket), so I covered her up with a sheet cause I had to wash her blanket.

What van??? If Haleigh peed the bed the night before why didnt Misty wash the blanket and sheets that day..??? ::MonkeyTongue::

What van..... that I do not know. Was Misty saying they took the blanket in the van ( meaning their CSI van), or they took the van ( her van) that had the other blanket in it. What I bolded above are her exact words from that interview. It does seem unlikely that she would have a vehicle as she has no job.
Why didn't she was the blanket that day? Idk that one either.

RUMOR has it RC had just gotten her back after she went on a 3 day bender, she may not have known it had been dirty if she was not in the house. Or if she was in the house she may have forgotten all about it until it was time to use it. What I find interesting is gma at one point said Haleigh had no bed wetting issues. Children who are abused often do have those issues.
Speaking of the three day bender, I don't know the details either, and maybe someone could verify, but if it were true, I could SO see a controlling man like Ron coming back home at some time during his shift ("lunch" break or take two breaks on a 12 hour shift? And perhaps take one long break instead of two shorter ones? and swing by the house to make sure no one is catting around or slipping out of his control? )

Also, can anyone clear up where or if Ron said that he was not aware of any cinderblocks being in his backyard?



Thats what I am beginning to think but we dont know his work / break schedule. Idk about the cinder block other than they both say they'd never seen it before.... and there were several in their backyard!

I do not know if it was Rons vehicle that was confiscated or this van that Misty talked about.
Also, Misty said that AC man came that day (was cleared) and her brother and nephews came over. How did they get there? Walk? Drive? If he drove,  what was he driving?

Also, does Misty have her own access to a vehicle while Ron is at work? Do we know? (I mean, other than having someone come and pick her up?)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Searching on February 22, 2009, 10:48:18 PM
At time of the Dec. 2005 arrest, he was in violation of a restraining order.


HMMM~anyone know what county Sarasota is in.....I hate Bozo ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarasota_County,_Florida


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 22, 2009, 10:50:53 PM
From Rana:
Also, Misty said that AC man came that day (was cleared) and her brother and nephews came over. How did they get there? Walk? Drive? If he drove,  what was he driving?

Also, does Misty have her own access to a vehicle while Ron is at work? Do we know? (I mean, other than having someone come and pick her up?)

IIRC her father Hank Croslin lives at 116 Tyler street which is only about a block away. I do not know where t.he brother lives..maybe close by and could walk too. To my knowledge we do not know that she has another vehicle yet she made that statement about "the van" so idk. By the time we saw pics of the trailer it was the next morning and the only vehicle was a black car...no sign of a van


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 10:51:32 PM
The 3 day bender to my knowledge is all rumor, I'm sure LE may know, but it fits in with weird stuff.  Like the blanket story, not knowing or being positive about times or what the children were wearing and her blanket being in the van that "they took".  Assuming this is belonging (Van) to whoever she was partying with. 

Another weird thing with Misty is that her Father apparently was in some type of accident that weekend also and broke his leg.

The bandage on Ron's neck, it is not there in the first video, it appears at some later point, I thought that was odd also.  Also in one of the first video's his left hand is pretty banged up??? 

I noticed that too~they look fresh also, look at this video around the end about minute 5 when his cell phone rings and you'll see the scratches on his hand.....

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 10:55:53 PM
At time of the Dec. 2005 arrest, he was in violation of a restraining order.


HMMM~anyone know what county Sarasota is in.....I hate Bozo ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarasota_County,_Florida


Thanks~

Records 1 - 2 of 2
Name Birth Date Case Number Date Filed Charge Disposition Date Disposition
CUMMINGS RONALD L 10/29/1983 2005 CF 017999 NC 9/29/2005

Principal -10/18/05 DRUGS POSSESS-CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION
Principal - DRUGS POSSESS-CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION
Principal - NARCOTIC EQUIP POSSESS-AND OR USE
Principal - VIOL INJUNCTION PROTECTION DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
Principal - DRUGS-POSSESS NEW LEGEND DRUG WO PRESCRIPTION 10


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 22, 2009, 10:56:04 PM
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=375168442&blogID=437567302

Bradley McGee.. this has pictures of this beautiful boy as well as his story..


Self edit, I forgot to mention, it also tells how many times DCF was called in the days prior to his death. This could have been prevented.. It has a lot more detail of the extent of what this poor baby went through so have tissues ready.

I went to that website when you first mentioned the case.  What a sad little life for that beautiful baby boy.  That woman has 2 other children in following the articles it appears she is/was in Illinois in 2003 and almost had to give up custody of the new little boy who was 3 at the time to the new father due to what happened in Florida.  It was weird, but anyhow she retained custody of him.  I tried to google her somemore  but couldn't find anything on her, she has a couple of last names.  Sheryl McGee, than the Coe Hardy.  It especially pisses me off since she claims he was a product of rape, why didn't she just let someone else love him?  I really believe some women are like men, they also take on the attitude that if they can't have them to abuse than no one will.  So sad.  There was also no further mention of the daughter she had w/ the Coe guy?  I thought that was weird.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 11:00:15 PM
 ::MonkeyEek:: well, I guess CS's family knew what they were talking about...

10/5/2005 ARREST BOND RECORD CREATED Arrest Bond Added to Case with: Arrest Date: 09/26/2005 Initial Charge #: 1 Initial Action Code: POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE(MORPHINE) Prosecutor Count #: Prosecutor Action Code: Custody Location: Bond Status: Posted Status Date: 09/28/2005 Bond Type: Surety Bond/Pwr No.: 2005AA079210 Bond Amount: $5000 Bonding Co.: AA LARAZA BAIL BONDS Cash Depositor: 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 22, 2009, 11:01:43 PM
The 3 day bender to my knowledge is all rumor, I'm sure LE may know, but it fits in with weird stuff.  Like the blanket story, not knowing or being positive about times or what the children were wearing and her blanket being in the van that "they took".  Assuming this is belonging (Van) to whoever she was partying with. 

Another weird thing with Misty is that her Father apparently was in some type of accident that weekend also and broke his leg.

The bandage on Ron's neck, it is not there in the first video, it appears at some later point, I thought that was odd also.  Also in one of the first video's his left hand is pretty banged up??? 

I noticed that too~they look fresh also, look at this video around the end about minute 5 when his cell phone rings and you'll see the scratches on his hand.....

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

About the hand bruises I read on another blog that his companies mainly employs weilders, if he is doing this type of work, they always have banged up hands, my bro and dad are both steam fitters, but this would be much less technical stuff and they would get banged up more?  Any way both dad and bro always have banged hands, not that bad but banged.

Or it could of been the fight with the cuz, but there would be a bunch more bruises in that case.  so no does not fit for me. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 11:02:44 PM
Also, I'm not in the legal/law profession and don't know protocol, but could LE have TOLD Ron that he passed the ploy and in fact he didn't? IOW, could they have  wanted to lull him into complacency so he wouldn't get spooked and bolt b/c it's too soon and they don't have anything concrete to hold him with?

I can't let go of the fact that they still have the trailor taped off adn that they have not outright "cleared" him or even stated that he passed the poly. I know RON said that he did, but LE has not - to my knowledge  - confirmed his passing  the poly.

Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly, but I thought in other past cases when a parent/guardian passed  the poly they announced it as such. It was not a hushed up secret; It was out there..... I thought.

Also, I've yet to hear LE give community announcements of  "dangerous adbductor on the loose" or any admonishments to "Lock your doors and windows and stay in groups"  like they did in Vegas recently when that girl was taken from her friends home when she was asleep in the living room and the door was left unlocked.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 11:02:50 PM
Docket Information:
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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 11:04:26 PM
The 3 day bender to my knowledge is all rumor, I'm sure LE may know, but it fits in with weird stuff.  Like the blanket story, not knowing or being positive about times or what the children were wearing and her blanket being in the van that "they took".  Assuming this is belonging (Van) to whoever she was partying with. 

Another weird thing with Misty is that her Father apparently was in some type of accident that weekend also and broke his leg.

The bandage on Ron's neck, it is not there in the first video, it appears at some later point, I thought that was odd also.  Also in one of the first video's his left hand is pretty banged up??? 

I noticed that too~they look fresh also, look at this video around the end about minute 5 when his cell phone rings and you'll see the scratches on his hand.....

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

About the hand bruises I read on another blog that his companies mainly employs weilders, if he is doing this type of work, they always have banged up hands, my bro and dad are both steam fitters, but this would be much less technical stuff and they would get banged up more?  Any way both dad and bro always have banged hands, not that bad but banged.

Or it could of been the fight with the cuz, but there would be a bunch more bruises in that case.  so no does not fit for me. 

looks like fingernail scratches in some of the photos.....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 11:04:47 PM
Sorry. I meant to say "Pass the poly" not pass the PLOY"

*snort* .  ::MonkeyLaugh::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 22, 2009, 11:08:12 PM
::MonkeyEek:: well, I guess CS's family knew what they were talking about...

10/5/2005 ARREST BOND RECORD CREATED Arrest Bond Added to Case with: Arrest Date: 09/26/2005 Initial Charge #: 1 Initial Action Code: POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE(MORPHINE) Prosecutor Count #: Prosecutor Action Code: Custody Location: Bond Status: Posted Status Date: 09/28/2005 Bond Type: Surety Bond/Pwr No.: 2005AA079210 Bond Amount: $5000 Bonding Co.: AA LARAZA BAIL BONDS Cash Depositor: 



Island I definatly think there could be something to the drug theory, he turned in a big dog and some retribution took place possibly.  This shows in how he is handling the media to me.  Directing everything to LE and he's gotten better at it as the days go by.  This video in particular is very telling to me in regards to an outside person abducting Haleigh.  http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

Note the haircut and no bandage on neck and towards the end with his mother.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 22, 2009, 11:08:33 PM
The 3 day bender to my knowledge is all rumor, I'm sure LE may know, but it fits in with weird stuff.  Like the blanket story, not knowing or being positive about times or what the children were wearing and her blanket being in the van that "they took".  Assuming this is belonging (Van) to whoever she was partying with. 

Another weird thing with Misty is that her Father apparently was in some type of accident that weekend also and broke his leg.

The bandage on Ron's neck, it is not there in the first video, it appears at some later point, I thought that was odd also.  Also in one of the first video's his left hand is pretty banged up??? 

I noticed that too~they look fresh also, look at this video around the end about minute 5 when his cell phone rings and you'll see the scratches on his hand.....

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

About the hand bruises I read on another blog that his companies mainly employs weilders, if he is doing this type of work, they always have banged up hands, my bro and dad are both steam fitters, but this would be much less technical stuff and they would get banged up more?  Any way both dad and bro always have banged hands, not that bad but banged.

Or it could of been the fight with the cuz, but there would be a bunch more bruises in that case.  so no does not fit for me. 

looks like fingernail scratches in some of the photos.....


He is a crane operater so he MAY have caught his hand hooking up a load OR moving a cinder block...ya know how cement is scratchy. Either way I noticed his hands right off the neck not so. Some things I catch and others fly right by ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 11:12:39 PM
The 3 day bender to my knowledge is all rumor, I'm sure LE may know, but it fits in with weird stuff.  Like the blanket story, not knowing or being positive about times or what the children were wearing and her blanket being in the van that "they took".  Assuming this is belonging (Van) to whoever she was partying with. 

Another weird thing with Misty is that her Father apparently was in some type of accident that weekend also and broke his leg.

The bandage on Ron's neck, it is not there in the first video, it appears at some later point, I thought that was odd also.  Also in one of the first video's his left hand is pretty banged up??? 

I noticed that too~they look fresh also, look at this video around the end about minute 5 when his cell phone rings and you'll see the scratches on his hand.....

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

Yea I seen his hand all scratch up in the the beginning of the video and the end...

Things that make you go Hmmmmm... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 11:14:24 PM
::MonkeyEek:: well, I guess CS's family knew what they were talking about...

10/5/2005 ARREST BOND RECORD CREATED Arrest Bond Added to Case with: Arrest Date: 09/26/2005 Initial Charge #: 1 Initial Action Code: POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE(MORPHINE) Prosecutor Count #: Prosecutor Action Code: Custody Location: Bond Status: Posted Status Date: 09/28/2005 Bond Type: Surety Bond/Pwr No.: 2005AA079210 Bond Amount: $5000 Bonding Co.: AA LARAZA BAIL BONDS Cash Depositor: 



Island I definatly think there could be something to the drug theory, he turned in a big dog and some retribution took place possibly.  This shows in how he is handling the media to me.  Directing everything to LE and he's gotten better at it as the days go by.  This video in particular is very telling to me in regards to an outside person abducting Haleigh.  http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

Note the haircut and no bandage on neck and towards the end with his mother.

I so agree......alsp, what's up with even the SARASOTA DRUG charges DROPPED ::MonkeyRoll:: I guess he get's falsley accused alot > NOT<.......leading me down the path again of informant ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 22, 2009, 11:16:36 PM
The 3 day bender to my knowledge is all rumor, I'm sure LE may know, but it fits in with weird stuff.  Like the blanket story, not knowing or being positive about times or what the children were wearing and her blanket being in the van that "they took".  Assuming this is belonging (Van) to whoever she was partying with. 

Another weird thing with Misty is that her Father apparently was in some type of accident that weekend also and broke his leg.

The bandage on Ron's neck, it is not there in the first video, it appears at some later point, I thought that was odd also.  Also in one of the first video's his left hand is pretty banged up??? 

I noticed that too~they look fresh also, look at this video around the end about minute 5 when his cell phone rings and you'll see the scratches on his hand.....

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

About the hand bruises I read on another blog that his companies mainly employs weilders, if he is doing this type of work, they always have banged up hands, my bro and dad are both steam fitters, but this would be much less technical stuff and they would get banged up more?  Any way both dad and bro always have banged hands, not that bad but banged.

Or it could of been the fight with the cuz, but there would be a bunch more bruises in that case.  so no does not fit for me. 

looks like fingernail scratches in some of the photos.....


Yeah, but I don't recall many perps getting banged up by 5 yr old little girls, especially their daughters.  It's easier to charm/con them and get what you want.  Sorry I just don't see this particular guy the way some of you do.  While I am always looking at theories, not that one, it just does not fit for me.  If he/they did it, it was swift and very well hidden.  The long drawn out abuse of Haleigh does not work for me with this guy or this family, too many people had contact w/her and she looked to well taken care of to me for a repeated abuse type situation.  Too happy for me.  It would of been swift for me, I've even thought of an accident in a fight w/cuz for the gun.  Accidental type thing, with his prior record who knows, but having been in a trailer park community like this I don't see that either, too many people are always in your business in these places.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 22, 2009, 11:17:44 PM
::MonkeyEek:: well, I guess CS's family knew what they were talking about...

10/5/2005 ARREST BOND RECORD CREATED Arrest Bond Added to Case with: Arrest Date: 09/26/2005 Initial Charge #: 1 Initial Action Code: POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE(MORPHINE) Prosecutor Count #: Prosecutor Action Code: Custody Location: Bond Status: Posted Status Date: 09/28/2005 Bond Type: Surety Bond/Pwr No.: 2005AA079210 Bond Amount: $5000 Bonding Co.: AA LARAZA BAIL BONDS Cash Depositor: 



Island I definatly think there could be something to the drug theory, he turned in a big dog and some retribution took place possibly.  This shows in how he is handling the media to me.  Directing everything to LE and he's gotten better at it as the days go by.  This video in particular is very telling to me in regards to an outside person abducting Haleigh.  http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

Note the haircut and no bandage on neck and towards the end with his mother.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/RonaldC.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 11:20:31 PM
::MonkeyEek:: well, I guess CS's family knew what they were talking about...

10/5/2005 ARREST BOND RECORD CREATED Arrest Bond Added to Case with: Arrest Date: 09/26/2005 Initial Charge #: 1 Initial Action Code: POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE(MORPHINE) Prosecutor Count #: Prosecutor Action Code: Custody Location: Bond Status: Posted Status Date: 09/28/2005 Bond Type: Surety Bond/Pwr No.: 2005AA079210 Bond Amount: $5000 Bonding Co.: AA LARAZA BAIL BONDS Cash Depositor: 



Island I definatly think there could be something to the drug theory, he turned in a big dog and some retribution took place possibly.  This shows in how he is handling the media to me.  Directing everything to LE and he's gotten better at it as the days go by.  This video in particular is very telling to me in regards to an outside person abducting Haleigh.  http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

Note the haircut and no bandage on neck and towards the end with his mother.
In that clip (thanks for that BTW) at min 2:32 in, suddenly the crying stops; And listen to his tone, "My girlfriend was awake... when I got home from work."



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 11:24:32 PM
 ::MonkeyTongue:: Can someone PLEASE explain why ALL his drug charges are either dropped or nolo's...............even the felony charge in Sarasota was dropped. Anyone care to take a shot at this one ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 22, 2009, 11:28:58 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: Can someone PLEASE explain why ALL his drug charges are either dropped or nolo's...............even the felony charge in Sarasota was dropped. Anyone care to take a shot at this one ::MonkeyConfused::

IDK the answer to that so I have another question...  if you were an ongoing informant, or undercover whatever, would they actually put charges against you on your record ?  Not exactly sure how to phrase what I'm trying to ask ...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 11:31:36 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: Can someone PLEASE explain why ALL his drug charges are either dropped or nolo's...............even the felony charge in Sarasota was dropped. Anyone care to take a shot at this one ::MonkeyConfused::

IDK the answer to that so I have another question...  if you were an ongoing informant, or undercover whatever, would they actually put charges against you on your record ?  Not exactly sure how to phrase what I'm trying to ask ...

IDK~If not an informant he's gotta be rolling over on somebody..snitching, I think that's what it's called.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 22, 2009, 11:31:56 PM
Yes I see the controlling, but as others have noted he is all about control and that would include his own emotions.   He's very in control, the fight with the cuz misty and others may refer to it as a fight but to him it could of just been an arguement.   My experience w/control freaks is they only control those that want to be... and hey why not?  JJ


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 11:34:21 PM
::MonkeyEek:: well, I guess CS's family knew what they were talking about...

10/5/2005 ARREST BOND RECORD CREATED Arrest Bond Added to Case with: Arrest Date: 09/26/2005 Initial Charge #: 1 Initial Action Code: POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE(MORPHINE) Prosecutor Count #: Prosecutor Action Code: Custody Location: Bond Status: Posted Status Date: 09/28/2005 Bond Type: Surety Bond/Pwr No.: 2005AA079210 Bond Amount: $5000 Bonding Co.: AA LARAZA BAIL BONDS Cash Depositor: 



Island I definatly think there could be something to the drug theory, he turned in a big dog and some retribution took place possibly.  This shows in how he is handling the media to me.  Directing everything to LE and he's gotten better at it as the days go by.  This video in particular is very telling to me in regards to an outside person abducting Haleigh.  http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

Note the haircut and no bandage on neck and towards the end with his mother.

I so agree......alsp, what's up with even the SARASOTA DRUG charges DROPPED ::MonkeyRoll:: I guess he get's falsley accused alot > NOT<.......leading me down the path again of informant ::MonkeyTongue::

Could be an informant- Maybe thats why Whoraldo asked him about that.. But if that is true

why would Whoraldo ask Ron that on national TV when Haleigh is missing... very harmful..

I'd be worry about Jr that home is unstable.... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 22, 2009, 11:35:26 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: Can someone PLEASE explain why ALL his drug charges are either dropped or nolo's...............even the felony charge in Sarasota was dropped. Anyone care to take a shot at this one ::MonkeyConfused::


I would think yes, it's public record and if I'm the big dog I'm lookin to check the validity of him.  But the drug amounts are small?  Just a vast variety, he likes to keep his options open so to speak.

IDK the answer to that so I have another question...  if you were an ongoing informant, or undercover whatever, would they actually put charges against you on your record ?  Not exactly sure how to phrase what I'm trying to ask ...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 11:36:04 PM
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html (http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html)

Also, in Fatcatlurker's clip of Ron which is 5 min 44 seconds....

at 1:16 "I'd give my life for my child's life back" (then falls to ground) No one's said she's dead yet.

at 1:39 ".....while I was at work"

at 1:52 ".....while I was at work"

at 2:10 "....I came home from work..."

at 2:32  "...when I got off of work."

at 2:54 "...when I came home..."

at 4:16 "...She wasn't there when I got home..."



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 22, 2009, 11:37:28 PM
sorry i posted response in the middle of your post Bud's girl.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: darla on February 22, 2009, 11:37:35 PM
I just watched the first video....There is just to much put on in it for me....one minute he is on the ground crying and sniffing and overcome with despair then stands up and talks like he has never shed a tear.

Then watched another video and he is almost hostile to the media...he does not know if they took his car...he doesn't know anything about the pink shirt...does not know anything.
IMO they have taken lessons from the Anthony's and are milking this for all it's worth. Staying in a dang tent....when they could go to his mother's. Just makes no sense...Ron and Misty know exactly where that baby is. This is just my own opinion....They owe someone a bunch of money and are trying to raise it with donations or they have killed Haleigh and she is close to the house.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 11:39:18 PM

::MonkeyEek:: well, I guess CS's family knew what they were talking about...

10/5/2005 ARREST BOND RECORD CREATED Arrest Bond Added to Case with: Arrest Date: 09/26/2005 Initial Charge #: 1 Initial Action Code: POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE(MORPHINE) Prosecutor Count #: Prosecutor Action Code: Custody Location: Bond Status: Posted Status Date: 09/28/2005 Bond Type: Surety Bond/Pwr No.: 2005AA079210 Bond Amount: $5000 Bonding Co.: AA LARAZA BAIL BONDS Cash Depositor: 



Island I definatly think there could be something to the drug theory, he turned in a big dog and some retribution took place possibly.  This shows in how he is handling the media to me.  Directing everything to LE and he's gotten better at it as the days go by.  This video in particular is very telling to me in regards to an outside person abducting Haleigh.  http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

Note the haircut and no bandage on neck and towards the end with his mother.

I so agree......alsp, what's up with even the SARASOTA DRUG charges DROPPED ::MonkeyRoll:: I guess he get's falsley accused alot > NOT<.......leading me down the path again of informant ::MonkeyTongue::

Could be an informant- Maybe thats why Whoraldo asked him about that.. But if that is true

why would Whoraldo ask Ron that on national TV when Haleigh is missing... very harmful..

I'd be worry about Jr that home is unstable.... ::MonkeyTongue::

I've been worried about Jr from the beginning of this case ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 11:40:16 PM
::MonkeyEek:: well, I guess CS's family knew what they were talking about...

10/5/2005 ARREST BOND RECORD CREATED Arrest Bond Added to Case with: Arrest Date: 09/26/2005 Initial Charge #: 1 Initial Action Code: POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE(MORPHINE) Prosecutor Count #: Prosecutor Action Code: Custody Location: Bond Status: Posted Status Date: 09/28/2005 Bond Type: Surety Bond/Pwr No.: 2005AA079210 Bond Amount: $5000 Bonding Co.: AA LARAZA BAIL BONDS Cash Depositor: 



Island I definatly think there could be something to the drug theory, he turned in a big dog and some retribution took place possibly.  This shows in how he is handling the media to me.  Directing everything to LE and he's gotten better at it as the days go by.  This video in particular is very telling to me in regards to an outside person abducting Haleigh.  http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

Note the haircut and no bandage on neck and towards the end with his mother.

I so agree......alsp, what's up with even the SARASOTA DRUG charges DROPPED ::MonkeyRoll:: I guess he get's falsley accused alot > NOT<.......leading me down the path again of informant ::MonkeyTongue::

Could be an informant- Maybe thats why Whoraldo asked him about that.. But if that is true

why would Whoraldo ask Ron that on national TV when Haleigh is missing... very harmful..

I'd be worry about Jr that home is unstable.... ::MonkeyTongue::
Geraldo may be a colossal douche at times, but he's not a complete moron IMO. If Ron were an informant Geraldo would have checked that and would not have asked him on TV. His legal dept would be all over his a** (Geraldo's, I mean) Also, Geraldo had to jump thru hoops with legal to even show the photo, so it's not like legal is not in the picture and watching what gets aired.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 22, 2009, 11:41:03 PM
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

I posted this video of Ron in the white shirt, not the early one in blue striped shirt.  This is the video I am talking about.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 11:41:21 PM
I just watched the first video....There is just to much put on in it for me....one minute he is on the ground crying and sniffing and overcome with despair then stands up and talks like he has never shed a tear.

Then watched another video and he is almost hostile to the media...he does not know if they took his car...he doesn't know anything about the pink shirt...does not know anything.
IMO they have taken lessons from the Anthony's and are milking this for all it's worth. Staying in a dang tent....when they could go to his mother's. Just makes no sense...Ron and Misty know exactly where that baby is. This is just my own opinion....They owe someone a bunch of money and are trying to raise it with donations or they have killed Haleigh and she is close to the house.

Darla I wonder if they have a life insurance policy on haleigh.... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 11:42:35 PM
I just watched the first video....There is just to much put on in it for me....one minute he is on the ground crying and sniffing and overcome with despair then stands up and talks like he has never shed a tear.

Then watched another video and he is almost hostile to the media...he does not know if they took his car...he doesn't know anything about the pink shirt...does not know anything.
IMO they have taken lessons from the Anthony's and are milking this for all it's worth. Staying in a dang tent....when they could go to his mother's. Just makes no sense...Ron and Misty know exactly where that baby is. This is just my own opinion....They owe someone a bunch of money and are trying to raise it with donations or they have killed Haleigh and she is close to the house.
Wordy McWord.

I'm worried about Jr and Misty frankly... and anyone else who comes in close contact with or crosses Ron.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 22, 2009, 11:43:59 PM
::MonkeyEek:: well, I guess CS's family knew what they were talking about...

10/5/2005 ARREST BOND RECORD CREATED Arrest Bond Added to Case with: Arrest Date: 09/26/2005 Initial Charge #: 1 Initial Action Code: POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE(MORPHINE) Prosecutor Count #: Prosecutor Action Code: Custody Location: Bond Status: Posted Status Date: 09/28/2005 Bond Type: Surety Bond/Pwr No.: 2005AA079210 Bond Amount: $5000 Bonding Co.: AA LARAZA BAIL BONDS Cash Depositor: 



Island I definatly think there could be something to the drug theory, he turned in a big dog and some retribution took place possibly.  This shows in how he is handling the media to me.  Directing everything to LE and he's gotten better at it as the days go by.  This video in particular is very telling to me in regards to an outside person abducting Haleigh.  http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

Note the haircut and no bandage on neck and towards the end with his mother.

I so agree......alsp, what's up with even the SARASOTA DRUG charges DROPPED ::MonkeyRoll:: I guess he get's falsley accused alot > NOT<.......leading me down the path again of informant ::MonkeyTongue::

Could be an informant- Maybe thats why Whoraldo asked him about that.. But if that is true

why would Whoraldo ask Ron that on national TV when Haleigh is missing... very harmful..

I'd be worry about Jr that home is unstable.... ::MonkeyTongue::
Geraldo may be a colossal douche at times, but he's not a complete moron IMO. If Ron were an informant Geraldo would have checked that and would not have asked him on TV. His legal dept would be all over his a** (Geraldo's, I mean) Also, Geraldo had to jump thru hoops with legal to even show the photo, so it's not like legal is not in the picture and watching what gets aired.


So LE showing up immediatly at the Cummings family request to tell Geraldo to leave and not to come back to the property means nothing?  That speaks volumes to me...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 22, 2009, 11:46:30 PM
I just watched the first video....There is just to much put on in it for me....one minute he is on the ground crying and sniffing and overcome with despair then stands up and talks like he has never shed a tear.

Then watched another video and he is almost hostile to the media...he does not know if they took his car...he doesn't know anything about the pink shirt...does not know anything.
IMO they have taken lessons from the Anthony's and are milking this for all it's worth. Staying in a dang tent....when they could go to his mother's. Just makes no sense...Ron and Misty know exactly where that baby is. This is just my own opinion....They owe someone a bunch of money and are trying to raise it with donations or they have killed Haleigh and she is close to the house.

Darla I wonder if they have a life insurance policy on haleigh.... ::MonkeyTongue::

Actually Crystall has a life insurance policy, she spewed that info in the very beginning, I found it an odd thing for her to be putting out there.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: darla on February 22, 2009, 11:46:46 PM
I just watched the first video....There is just to much put on in it for me....one minute he is on the ground crying and sniffing and overcome with despair then stands up and talks like he has never shed a tear.

Then watched another video and he is almost hostile to the media...he does not know if they took his car...he doesn't know anything about the pink shirt...does not know anything.
IMO they have taken lessons from the Anthony's and are milking this for all it's worth. Staying in a dang tent....when they could go to his mother's. Just makes no sense...Ron and Misty know exactly where that baby is. This is just my own opinion....They owe someone a bunch of money and are trying to raise it with donations or they have killed Haleigh and she is close to the house.

Darla I wonder if they have a life insurance policy on haleigh.... ::MonkeyTongue::

I have no idea Jersey...I would think he would have it through his job like along with medical insurance.This case is starting to smell alot like the Anthony's to me. The names are so much alike....I just can not help but think this is a copy cat crime. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 11:47:41 PM
I just watched the first video....There is just to much put on in it for me....one minute he is on the ground crying and sniffing and overcome with despair then stands up and talks like he has never shed a tear.

Then watched another video and he is almost hostile to the media...he does not know if they took his car...he doesn't know anything about the pink shirt...does not know anything.
IMO they have taken lessons from the Anthony's and are milking this for all it's worth. Staying in a dang tent....when they could go to his mother's. Just makes no sense...Ron and Misty know exactly where that baby is. This is just my own opinion....They owe someone a bunch of money and are trying to raise it with donations or they have killed Haleigh and she is close to the house.

Darla I wonder if they have a life insurance policy on haleigh.... ::MonkeyTongue::

Actually Crystall has a life insurance policy, she spewed that info in the very beginning, I found it an odd thing for her to be putting out there.

But do we know if Ron had a life insurance policy on haleigh...??? ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 22, 2009, 11:48:53 PM
Haven't heard anything about it if he does.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: darla on February 22, 2009, 11:51:19 PM
I am heading for the Monkey Bunky....my brain is fried. You guys have a great night .See you tomorrow.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 11:51:37 PM
::MonkeyEek:: well, I guess CS's family knew what they were talking about...

10/5/2005 ARREST BOND RECORD CREATED Arrest Bond Added to Case with: Arrest Date: 09/26/2005 Initial Charge #: 1 Initial Action Code: POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE(MORPHINE) Prosecutor Count #: Prosecutor Action Code: Custody Location: Bond Status: Posted Status Date: 09/28/2005 Bond Type: Surety Bond/Pwr No.: 2005AA079210 Bond Amount: $5000 Bonding Co.: AA LARAZA BAIL BONDS Cash Depositor: 



Island I definatly think there could be something to the drug theory, he turned in a big dog and some retribution took place possibly.  This shows in how he is handling the media to me.  Directing everything to LE and he's gotten better at it as the days go by.  This video in particular is very telling to me in regards to an outside person abducting Haleigh.  http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

Note the haircut and no bandage on neck and towards the end with his mother.

I so agree......alsp, what's up with even the SARASOTA DRUG charges DROPPED ::MonkeyRoll:: I guess he get's falsley accused alot > NOT<.......leading me down the path again of informant ::MonkeyTongue::

Could be an informant- Maybe thats why Whoraldo asked him about that.. But if that is true

why would Whoraldo ask Ron that on national TV when Haleigh is missing... very harmful..

I'd be worry about Jr that home is unstable.... ::MonkeyTongue::
Geraldo may be a colossal douche at times, but he's not a complete moron IMO. If Ron were an informant Geraldo would have checked that and would not have asked him on TV. His legal dept would be all over his a** (Geraldo's, I mean) Also, Geraldo had to jump thru hoops with legal to even show the photo, so it's not like legal is not in the picture and watching what gets aired.


So LE showing up immediatly at the Cummings family request to tell Geraldo to leave and not to come back to the property means nothing?  That speaks volumes to me...
If Geraldo is on the Cummings' property or property that they rent, they have a right to tell Geraldo to leave; and Ron asking LE to tell them to leave doesn't surprise me at all. Ron didn't like the topic. Naturally, he wouldn't.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 11:53:27 PM
I wonder if LE is waiting for the results to come back from the mobile and vehicle before they make any arrests.. Polographs are not aloud as evidence in court...Why haven't LE
not given Crystal family the polograph test yet is it because they know someone or ones have failed and now waiting for the evidence results from the mobile and vehicle to come back??? ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 22, 2009, 11:54:42 PM
Good night Monkey's who are going to bed.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 22, 2009, 11:55:19 PM
I wonder if LE is waiting for the results to come back from the mobile and vehicle before they make any arrests.. Polographs are not aloud as evidence in court...Why haven't LE
not given Crystal family the polograph test yet is it because they know someone or ones have failed and now waiting for the evidence results from the mobile and vehicle to come back??? ::MonkeyTongue::
I agree. If someone or ones have already failed, how crucial (or not) would it to be poly everyone else?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 22, 2009, 11:57:19 PM
sorry i posted response in the middle of your post Bud's girl.

no problem...easy to do, I'm pretty good at it myself.    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 22, 2009, 11:59:23 PM
::MonkeyEek:: well, I guess CS's family knew what they were talking about...

10/5/2005 ARREST BOND RECORD CREATED Arrest Bond Added to Case with: Arrest Date: 09/26/2005 Initial Charge #: 1 Initial Action Code: POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE(MORPHINE) Prosecutor Count #: Prosecutor Action Code: Custody Location: Bond Status: Posted Status Date: 09/28/2005 Bond Type: Surety Bond/Pwr No.: 2005AA079210 Bond Amount: $5000 Bonding Co.: AA LARAZA BAIL BONDS Cash Depositor: 



Island I definatly think there could be something to the drug theory, he turned in a big dog and some retribution took place possibly.  This shows in how he is handling the media to me.  Directing everything to LE and he's gotten better at it as the days go by.  This video in particular is very telling to me in regards to an outside person abducting Haleigh.  http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

Note the haircut and no bandage on neck and towards the end with his mother.

I so agree......alsp, what's up with even the SARASOTA DRUG charges DROPPED ::MonkeyRoll:: I guess he get's falsley accused alot > NOT<.......leading me down the path again of informant ::MonkeyTongue::

Could be an informant- Maybe thats why Whoraldo asked him about that.. But if that is true

why would Whoraldo ask Ron that on national TV when Haleigh is missing... very harmful..

I'd be worry about Jr that home is unstable.... ::MonkeyTongue::
Geraldo may be a colossal douche at times, but he's not a complete moron IMO. If Ron were an informant Geraldo would have checked that and would not have asked him on TV. His legal dept would be all over his a** (Geraldo's, I mean) Also, Geraldo had to jump thru hoops with legal to even show the photo, so it's not like legal is not in the picture and watching what gets aired.


So LE showing up immediatly at the Cummings family request to tell Geraldo to leave and not to come back to the property means nothing?  That speaks volumes to me...
If Geraldo is on the Cummings' property or property that they rent, they have a right to tell Geraldo to leave; and Ron asking LE to tell them to leave doesn't surprise me at all. Ron didn't like the topic. Naturally, he wouldn't.


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: sorry for laughing, but I find it so IRONIC that Ron was telling whorealdo that he would have him arrested for trespassing if he showed up again, when Ron was charged with trespassing AFTER a warning in 2007 IIRC.....It looks like RC has ZERO respect for the law unless he needs them (reminds me of Casey calling 911 about the protesters) ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 12:05:19 AM
::MonkeyEek:: well, I guess CS's family knew what they were talking about...

10/5/2005 ARREST BOND RECORD CREATED Arrest Bond Added to Case with: Arrest Date: 09/26/2005 Initial Charge #: 1 Initial Action Code: POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE(MORPHINE) Prosecutor Count #: Prosecutor Action Code: Custody Location: Bond Status: Posted Status Date: 09/28/2005 Bond Type: Surety Bond/Pwr No.: 2005AA079210 Bond Amount: $5000 Bonding Co.: AA LARAZA BAIL BONDS Cash Depositor: 



Island I definatly think there could be something to the drug theory, he turned in a big dog and some retribution took place possibly.  This shows in how he is handling the media to me.  Directing everything to LE and he's gotten better at it as the days go by.  This video in particular is very telling to me in regards to an outside person abducting Haleigh.  http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

Note the haircut and no bandage on neck and towards the end with his mother.

I so agree......alsp, what's up with even the SARASOTA DRUG charges DROPPED ::MonkeyRoll:: I guess he get's falsley accused alot > NOT<.......leading me down the path again of informant ::MonkeyTongue::

Could be an informant- Maybe thats why Whoraldo asked him about that.. But if that is true

why would Whoraldo ask Ron that on national TV when Haleigh is missing... very harmful..

I'd be worry about Jr that home is unstable.... ::MonkeyTongue::
Geraldo may be a colossal douche at times, but he's not a complete moron IMO. If Ron were an informant Geraldo would have checked that and would not have asked him on TV. His legal dept would be all over his a** (Geraldo's, I mean) Also, Geraldo had to jump thru hoops with legal to even show the photo, so it's not like legal is not in the picture and watching what gets aired.


So LE showing up immediatly at the Cummings family request to tell Geraldo to leave and not to come back to the property means nothing?  That speaks volumes to me...
If Geraldo is on the Cummings' property or property that they rent, they have a right to tell Geraldo to leave; and Ron asking LE to tell them to leave doesn't surprise me at all. Ron didn't like the topic. Naturally, he wouldn't.

True that, but I'm not familar w/any media being given a "No Trespassing Order" by the police at the whim of a supposed "POI".  Seems a little over board to me if he's such a Felon already. 

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-22/story/fox_anchor_banned_from_camp_of_missing_girls_father


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 12:08:42 AM
The police don't typically care about this type of petty bs and would give it the go ahead to keep him in the hot seat.  Certainly not try to give Whorealdo a ticket, which he refused to sign.

Putnam County Sheriff’s deputies arrived on the scene later, and issued Rivera the trespass warning at the request of the two property owners on whose land the Cummings family is camping while their trailer remains closed off as a crime scene. A trespass warning means Rivera would be arrested if he came back onto the property. Rivera told deputies he understood and stated he would not come back to the address, but declined to sign the trespass warning, according to a sheriff’s office report.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 23, 2009, 12:11:44 AM
I wonder if LE is waiting for the results to come back from the mobile and vehicle before they make any arrests.. Polographs are not aloud as evidence in court...Why haven't LE
not given Crystal family the polograph test yet is it because they know someone or ones have failed and now waiting for the evidence results from the mobile and vehicle to come back??? ::MonkeyTongue::
That is a very good point. You could be on to something here! I wonder how long it will take for them to get evidence back, it should be any day now really, at the very least preliminarys...I wonder if they are waiting to see if MC or dad cracks first. I think I am headed to the bunkie...good night!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 23, 2009, 12:12:06 AM
::MonkeyEek:: well, I guess CS's family knew what they were talking about...

10/5/2005 ARREST BOND RECORD CREATED Arrest Bond Added to Case with: Arrest Date: 09/26/2005 Initial Charge #: 1 Initial Action Code: POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE(MORPHINE) Prosecutor Count #: Prosecutor Action Code: Custody Location: Bond Status: Posted Status Date: 09/28/2005 Bond Type: Surety Bond/Pwr No.: 2005AA079210 Bond Amount: $5000 Bonding Co.: AA LARAZA BAIL BONDS Cash Depositor: 



Island I definatly think there could be something to the drug theory, he turned in a big dog and some retribution took place possibly.  This shows in how he is handling the media to me.  Directing everything to LE and he's gotten better at it as the days go by.  This video in particular is very telling to me in regards to an outside person abducting Haleigh.  http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

Note the haircut and no bandage on neck and towards the end with his mother.

I so agree......alsp, what's up with even the SARASOTA DRUG charges DROPPED ::MonkeyRoll:: I guess he get's falsley accused alot > NOT<.......leading me down the path again of informant ::MonkeyTongue::

Could be an informant- Maybe thats why Whoraldo asked him about that.. But if that is true

why would Whoraldo ask Ron that on national TV when Haleigh is missing... very harmful..

I'd be worry about Jr that home is unstable.... ::MonkeyTongue::
Geraldo may be a colossal douche at times, but he's not a complete moron IMO. If Ron were an informant Geraldo would have checked that and would not have asked him on TV. His legal dept would be all over his a** (Geraldo's, I mean) Also, Geraldo had to jump thru hoops with legal to even show the photo, so it's not like legal is not in the picture and watching what gets aired.


So LE showing up immediatly at the Cummings family request to tell Geraldo to leave and not to come back to the property means nothing?  That speaks volumes to me...
If Geraldo is on the Cummings' property or property that they rent, they have a right to tell Geraldo to leave; and Ron asking LE to tell them to leave doesn't surprise me at all. Ron didn't like the topic. Naturally, he wouldn't.


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: sorry for laughing, but I find it so IRONIC that Ron was telling whorealdo that he would have him arrested for trespassing if he showed up again, when Ron was charged with trespassing AFTER a warning in 2007 IIRC.....It looks like RC has ZERO respect for the law unless he needs them (reminds me of Casey calling 911 about the protesters) ::MonkeyTongue::

Trespassing....look whos calling the kettle black... ::MonkeyTongue::

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=733879&IMG=49930


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 12:14:00 AM
::MonkeyEek:: well, I guess CS's family knew what they were talking about...

10/5/2005 ARREST BOND RECORD CREATED Arrest Bond Added to Case with: Arrest Date: 09/26/2005 Initial Charge #: 1 Initial Action Code: POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE(MORPHINE) Prosecutor Count #: Prosecutor Action Code: Custody Location: Bond Status: Posted Status Date: 09/28/2005 Bond Type: Surety Bond/Pwr No.: 2005AA079210 Bond Amount: $5000 Bonding Co.: AA LARAZA BAIL BONDS Cash Depositor: 



Island I definatly think there could be something to the drug theory, he turned in a big dog and some retribution took place possibly.  This shows in how he is handling the media to me.  Directing everything to LE and he's gotten better at it as the days go by.  This video in particular is very telling to me in regards to an outside person abducting Haleigh.  http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

Note the haircut and no bandage on neck and towards the end with his mother.

I so agree......alsp, what's up with even the SARASOTA DRUG charges DROPPED ::MonkeyRoll:: I guess he get's falsley accused alot > NOT<.......leading me down the path again of informant ::MonkeyTongue::

Could be an informant- Maybe thats why Whoraldo asked him about that.. But if that is true

why would Whoraldo ask Ron that on national TV when Haleigh is missing... very harmful..

I'd be worry about Jr that home is unstable.... ::MonkeyTongue::
Geraldo may be a colossal douche at times, but he's not a complete moron IMO. If Ron were an informant Geraldo would have checked that and would not have asked him on TV. His legal dept would be all over his a** (Geraldo's, I mean) Also, Geraldo had to jump thru hoops with legal to even show the photo, so it's not like legal is not in the picture and watching what gets aired.


So LE showing up immediatly at the Cummings family request to tell Geraldo to leave and not to come back to the property means nothing?  That speaks volumes to me...
If Geraldo is on the Cummings' property or property that they rent, they have a right to tell Geraldo to leave; and Ron asking LE to tell them to leave doesn't surprise me at all. Ron didn't like the topic. Naturally, he wouldn't.

True that, but I'm not familar w/any media being given a "No Trespassing Order" by the police at the whim of a supposed "POI".  Seems a little over board to me if he's such a Felon already. 

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-22/story/fox_anchor_banned_from_camp_of_missing_girls_father
It does seem overboard for Ron, who is claiming innocence of all those allegations. Why so fierce in the reaction? Why so defensive if it's all not true? But I can see why he doesn't want the subject brought up again. Logically, he wouldn't.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 12:15:27 AM
http://www.prayabout.com/requests/72464/UPDATE-ON-BABY

Here's an interesting website I found, it's church website, if you can get past the bad vocabulary and go down to the bottom area there are words from Haleigh's teacher and principal, stuff I have not seen before.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 12:20:50 AM
::MonkeyEek:: well, I guess CS's family knew what they were talking about...

10/5/2005 ARREST BOND RECORD CREATED Arrest Bond Added to Case with: Arrest Date: 09/26/2005 Initial Charge #: 1 Initial Action Code: POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE(MORPHINE) Prosecutor Count #: Prosecutor Action Code: Custody Location: Bond Status: Posted Status Date: 09/28/2005 Bond Type: Surety Bond/Pwr No.: 2005AA079210 Bond Amount: $5000 Bonding Co.: AA LARAZA BAIL BONDS Cash Depositor: 



Island I definatly think there could be something to the drug theory, he turned in a big dog and some retribution took place possibly.  This shows in how he is handling the media to me.  Directing everything to LE and he's gotten better at it as the days go by.  This video in particular is very telling to me in regards to an outside person abducting Haleigh.  http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

Note the haircut and no bandage on neck and towards the end with his mother.

I so agree......alsp, what's up with even the SARASOTA DRUG charges DROPPED ::MonkeyRoll:: I guess he get's falsley accused alot > NOT<.......leading me down the path again of informant ::MonkeyTongue::

Could be an informant- Maybe thats why Whoraldo asked him about that.. But if that is true

why would Whoraldo ask Ron that on national TV when Haleigh is missing... very harmful..

I'd be worry about Jr that home is unstable.... ::MonkeyTongue::
Geraldo may be a colossal douche at times, but he's not a complete moron IMO. If Ron were an informant Geraldo would have checked that and would not have asked him on TV. His legal dept would be all over his a** (Geraldo's, I mean) Also, Geraldo had to jump thru hoops with legal to even show the photo, so it's not like legal is not in the picture and watching what gets aired.


So LE showing up immediatly at the Cummings family request to tell Geraldo to leave and not to come back to the property means nothing?  That speaks volumes to me...
If Geraldo is on the Cummings' property or property that they rent, they have a right to tell Geraldo to leave; and Ron asking LE to tell them to leave doesn't surprise me at all. Ron didn't like the topic. Naturally, he wouldn't.

True that, but I'm not familar w/any media being given a "No Trespassing Order" by the police at the whim of a supposed "POI".  Seems a little over board to me if he's such a Felon already. 

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-22/story/fox_anchor_banned_from_camp_of_missing_girls_father
It does seem overboard for Ron, who is claiming innocence of all those allegations. Why so fierce in the reaction? Why so defensive if it's all not true? But I can see why he doesn't want the subject brought up again. Logically, he wouldn't.


Why the "no trespassing order" and if you come back again you will be arrested?  All sounds weird to me to.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 12:21:01 AM
http://www.prayabout.com/requests/72464/UPDATE-ON-BABY

Here's an interesting website I found, it's church website, if you can get past the bad vocabulary and go down to the bottom area there are words from Haleigh's teacher and principal, stuff I have not seen before.
My PC  can't open it dangit. What is the meat of it?



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 12:23:12 AM
http://www.prayabout.com/requests/72464/UPDATE-ON-BABY

Here's an interesting website I found, it's church website, if you can get past the bad vocabulary and go down to the bottom area there are words from Haleigh's teacher and principal, stuff I have not seen before.

I can't get the link to work FCL......what is your take on this case, suspects etc., just curious because it's already another three ring circus, tents and all ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 23, 2009, 12:26:25 AM
http://www.prayabout.com/requests/72464/UPDATE-ON-BABY

Here's an interesting website I found, it's church website, if you can get past the bad vocabulary and go down to the bottom area there are words from Haleigh's teacher and principal, stuff I have not seen before.

I can't get the link to work FCL......what is your take on this case, suspects etc., just curious because it's already another three ring circus, tents and all ::MonkeyConfused::

i tried to and can't open up the link... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 23, 2009, 12:30:10 AM
http://www.prayabout.com/requests/72464/UPDATE-ON-BABY

Here's an interesting website I found, it's church website, if you can get past the bad vocabulary and go down to the bottom area there are words from Haleigh's teacher and principal, stuff I have not seen before.
My PC  can't open it dangit. What is the meat of it?


just and update about the entire story and then it says that police believe she is dead, it mentions the cousin as being a suspect, the SO that lives is the area as being another and the 17 year old girlfriend as another, of course this was before they cleared the SO and cousin,    the teachers at the scholl talk about how Happy and well behaved Haleigh was and how hard Valintines day was when they had to collect Haleighs for her, and that picture time is coming up again for class pictures and they hope Haleigh will be there for them, but mostly about what a good child she was!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 23, 2009, 12:31:01 AM
I wonder if LE is waiting for the results to come back from the mobile and vehicle before they make any arrests.. Polographs are not aloud as evidence in court...Why haven't LE
not given Crystal family the polograph test yet is it because they know someone or ones have failed and now waiting for the evidence results from the mobile and vehicle to come back??? ::MonkeyTongue::
That is a very good point. You could be on to something here! I wonder how long it will take for them to get evidence back, it should be any day now really, at the very least preliminarys...I wonder if they are waiting to see if MC or dad cracks first. I think I am headed to the bunkie...good night!

Good Night Leslee...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 12:31:40 AM
Searchers are counting the hours and minutes that the girl has been missing and have grown worried, said Carolyn Todd, who is with the group Texas EquuSearch. The 75 additional searchers who combed the area Saturday surpassed the 170 volunteers who searched Friday.

“They don’t like the feel of this,” Todd said. “They don’t think we’re going to find a well child.”

Tim Miller, founder of EquuSearch, said he spent about 2 1/2 hours comforting the father Saturday morning. That included 20 minutes in the woods showing him some of the search teams.

"He got teary-eyed, he hugged me and said, 'Thank you. Thank you,' " Miller said. "He's holding onto hope that Haleigh's still alive, but he's facing reality. He said, 'If she's not alive, find her for me.'”


This part is very sweet:

This is what I thought of as I sat in the principal’s office at Browning-Pearce. The school brought in counselors for the students. But I wondered if the adults — the parents, teachers and staff — weren’t the ones most affected.
Amazing thing about kids. They can pitch a fit over not getting the right flavor juice box. And yet they can be remarkably matter-of-fact about something that shakes up the adults around them.
“I think that’s true,” principal Debra Buckles said. “Especially with the little ones. At this age, they don’t understand the magnitude.”
As she started to explain how this has affected the adults at the school, her phone rang. She told the person on the other end of the line that the goods they had collected for Haleigh’s family — water, food, money — were in her car and ready to go. She was going to deliver them later in the morning.
She paused as the person on the other end asked something.
“I don’t think there’s anything else we can do,” she said, clearing her throat. “Just keep praying. We’re planning a homecoming.”
She hung up and we continued talking. But she didn’t really have to say anything else. That moment, the pain in her voice, said it all.
“I’m a parent, too,” she said, explaining she has five children and four grandchildren. “My baby is 26, but she’s still my baby. The day we found out about this, I couldn’t get to her fast enough.”
This, of course, has been the universal reaction. Hug your little ones tighter, even if they aren’t so little anymore. After school, the faculty and staff have been gathering in a courtyard, holding hands and praying for Haleigh’s return.
When I asked the principal to describe the 5-year-old, she grabbed a piece of paper that had been sitting on her desk. It was a picture of Haleigh, the same picture that is everywhere.
“Whenever I stopped in her classroom, she always looked like this,” she said. “She always had a smile on her face. She’s a happy girl, a good student, the kind you’d like to duplicate and have 18 in a room.”
Picture that room this week.
We wonder, understandably, how Haleigh’s absence affects the other children in her class. But imagine being Haleigh’s teacher.
“It has been heart-wrenching for her,” Buckles said, “because she’s looking at an empty seat all day.”
Imagine trying to do your job with one empty seat. Imagine doing all the ordinary things that don’t seem so ordinary. Imagine watching 17 children exchange Valentine’s Day cards. Imagine collecting a pile for one who is missing.
Imagine next Tuesday.
Class picture day.
Imagine what it will be like if Haleigh isn’t in the picture.
No, better. Do what the adults at her school continue to do.
Imagine what it will be like if she is in it.


I didn't see anything else new there, but it was alot and I got to go to bed soon.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 23, 2009, 12:38:24 AM
Good Night Monkeys... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 12:42:25 AM
Good Night Monkeys... ::MonkeyCool::

Night JG~I appreciate your insight here ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 01:03:24 AM
http://www.prayabout.com/requests/72464/UPDATE-ON-BABY

Here's an interesting website I found, it's church website, if you can get past the bad vocabulary and go down to the bottom area there are words from Haleigh's teacher and principal, stuff I have not seen before.

I can't get the link to work FCL......what is your take on this case, suspects etc., just curious because it's already another three ring circus, tents and all ::MonkeyConfused::

If your asking me, IDK, I have a number of them.  I only disagree w/ some of the right off the bat thoughts about Ron the father and I could be totally reading him wrong.  I just do not see, as I said before, any real signs of prolonged physical abuse of Haleigh.  This little girl was loved in the best way these people could give it to her.  As I said before, if Ron did do it, it was swift.  Not a drawn out affair with numerous beatings, too many people had contact w/this girl and would have done something about it.  And my morbid mind takes me to lots of child abuse cases and typically from what I've read there are signs.  I don't believe the mother and nothing you say will change my mind on her, she's like the kid who cried wolf to me and now it's to late.  And if she did see signs and did nothing than she's just as guilty in my mind.  Little girls, they talk and you have to change them and you can see things about their demeanor that would let you know, she didn't have just day visitations it was weekends and from the pic's very good times were had by all.  And this dad knew he had done something wrong in the past that's why he clearly quotes DCS guidelines I assume they probably had counseling and he was trying.  He's young and hot headed and possibly spoiled by the women in his life and verbally abusive to women but that does not always translate to abuse of children.  He also has alot of other women around him, his mother, his sister, his grandmother all these people would see things and I don't doubt have taken action.  I could very well be totally wrong, but if I am I will find all of these women lacking seriously in the care of this child.   I have very good men in my life so I always look at the glass as half full, I believe all males can be verbally abusive to women, it's an inferiority issue in there sex?!  But with the right teaching they learn that we are their equals. So with that said it could be a Casey job where he just whacked out.  And I don't see Ron covering for Misty or anyone else, he strikes me as the type who would kill another for his child and not think twice about it. Otherwise it's someone else and I have tons of theories on these people.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 01:07:16 AM
I have to go to bed.  Goodnight everyone! 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 01:17:59 AM
http://www.prayabout.com/requests/72464/UPDATE-ON-BABY

Here's an interesting website I found, it's church website, if you can get past the bad vocabulary and go down to the bottom area there are words from Haleigh's teacher and principal, stuff I have not seen before.

I can't get the link to work FCL......what is your take on this case, suspects etc., just curious because it's already another three ring circus, tents and all ::MonkeyConfused::

If your asking me, IDK, I have a number of them.  I only disagree w/ some of the right off the bat thoughts about Ron the father and I could be totally reading him wrong.  I just do not see, as I said before, any real signs of prolonged physical abuse of Haleigh.  This little girl was loved in the best way these people could give it to her.  As I said before, if Ron did do it, it was swift.  Not a drawn out affair with numerous beatings, too many people had contact w/this girl and would have done something about it.  And my morbid mind takes me to lots of child abuse cases and typically from what I've read there are signs.  I don't believe the mother and nothing you say will change my mind on her, she's like the kid who cried wolf to me and now it's to late.  And if she did see signs and did nothing than she's just as guilty in my mind.  Little girls, they talk and you have to change them and you can see things about their demeanor that would let you know, she didn't have just day visitations it was weekends and from the pic's very good times were had by all.  And this dad knew he had done something wrong in the past that's why he clearly quotes DCS guidelines I assume they probably had counseling and he was trying.  He's young and hot headed and possibly spoiled by the women in his life and verbally abusive to women but that does not always translate to abuse of children.  He also has alot of other women around him, his mother, his sister, his grandmother all these people would see things and I don't doubt have taken action.  I could very well be totally wrong, but if I am I will find all of these women lacking seriously in the care of this child.   I have very good men in my life so I always look at the glass as half full, I believe all males can be verbally abusive to women, it's an inferiority issue in there sex?!  But with the right teaching they learn that we are their equals. So with that said it could be a Casey job where he just whacked out.  And I don't see Ron covering for Misty or anyone else, he strikes me as the type who would kill another for his child and not think twice about it. Otherwise it's someone else and I have tons of theories on these people.
I don't think there was a drawn out thing going on necessarily. I do think it's possible that he lost it ONCE and that's all it takes.

I think Crystal is "beat down" figuratively, psychologically  speaking and I dont know how to describe what I think happened to her (to make her that way) in a short post, except to say that there is a real element of learned helplessness there IMO. However, I do wish that  her family could have stepped in since she was apparently unable to fight for custody since they do seem aware of the gravity of the situation.

Also we don't know for sure if there had been no incidents of Haleigh having bruises or evidence of "too harsh" discipline, but I hate to say that that would not surprise me given what I've seen of Ron. Also, clearly he doesn't have respect for females and that's really sad for any child to grow up around.

Nighty all.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 23, 2009, 01:45:50 AM
This is "prolly" nothing, but I'll ask it anyway. Does anyone find it odd that Ron is in a tent, or rather - now a camper, and not at his mom's multi bedroom home or some other friend or relative's house? It seems there's a reason and it doesn't strike me that the reason is that he's too emotionally tied to the exact area, the ground to leave.  I almost -  in the back burner of my foggy head - wonder if she's out there, close, and he's afraid to leave. IOW, if he leaves and he's somewhere else he'll be going crazy wondering if someone is getting "close" to finding her. This way he's there and knows where folks are and aren't.

Just recalling that Caylee was very close and wasn't found til... well... either Aug or Dec depending on how you regard the meter reader. Jon Benet was super super close (the basement) but she wasn't found exactly immediately. There are others. I hope she's alive, but what's the likely scenario for her being alive? That a ped took her and hasn't killed her yet? A horrible thought. That someone took her and sold her? Another horrible thought.

 Just thinking out loud.

Then there's that Occam's razor... the principle states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. IOW, whatever the simplest explanation is, is likely the correct one.

The intruder theory leaves too many things to chance for me and the flags go up for many weird things. The cinderblock propping, the turning on of the light, the leaving the door open, the NOT closing of the door upon seeing it "wide open," the not freaking out and thinking OMG could intuder still be here? Could be coming back let me lock the door, let me run grab BOTH kids oops one is missing but she seemed to know that it was Haleigh right off and not Jr. (from the blanket clip)

Then there's the past tense, "loved her" the "child's life back" comment and others,  the temper, the name calling, the anger, the over the top tears and angst, the short temper with reporters,  the flatout denial of true provable things, the history with LE and child services, the drug issues, the clearly enabling grandmother,.... on and on...



Myself, I'm not comfortable w/trying/convicting him before a variety of inconsistencies have been cleared up or evidence emerges. 

Also, when he said he'd look for her until ...blah, blah, blah I took it as a sentence he didn't finish because it was too repulsive a thought to be spoken aloud and he caught himself.

As re. the talk of abuse:  plenty of people are verbally abusive but never lift a hand to a spouse/live-in/child.  I still haven't seen evidence that he punched anyone out, let alone his daughter.  If you have evidence, I'd welcome seeing what so many of you all percieve.

I agree w/some things any number of posters have stated.  But imho, suggesting that he hauled his baby girl to some bridge (and did what?) 'cause he's a crane operator is more than a bit premature and in my mind not a whole lot different than what GR did to Ronald Cummings on that inflammatory and obviously biased broadcast.

Don't get me wrong--I'm more than a bit concerned about the whole mess.  I could go on and on about what I think about the personalities involved (and will :smt102), but this is not a Caylee case where one person had a documented history of deception etc., not to mention her grandmothers call to 911 that sad, sad day.

I know this is a place where folks hash out their ideas and suspcions.  I just think its early days yet to throw RC (the dad) under the bus--though I absolutely agree that in light of the lax supervision of his daughter, he fell way short of the mark and may well regret that lapse in judgement for the rest of his life. 

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 23, 2009, 02:00:15 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 23, 2009, 02:09:09 AM
The 3 day bender to my knowledge is all rumor, I'm sure LE may know, but it fits in with weird stuff.  Like the blanket story, not knowing or being positive about times or what the children were wearing and her blanket being in the van that "they took".  Assuming this is belonging (Van) to whoever she was partying with. 

Another weird thing with Misty is that her Father apparently was in some type of accident that weekend also and broke his leg.

The bandage on Ron's neck, it is not there in the first video, it appears at some later point, I thought that was odd also.  Also in one of the first video's his left hand is pretty banged up??? 

I noticed that too~they look fresh also, look at this video around the end about minute 5 when his cell phone rings and you'll see the scratches on his hand.....

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html


Island, I live in the sticks.  God forbid my child'd go missing and someone saw how my hands often look from doing things around here 'cause I detest wearing gloves  :smt018, then took that to mean I'd committed some dastardly deed.  I have two small burn scars from feeding the woodstove recently.  I could go on and on.  But in the interest of keeping this brief, I'd be a total mess if I had a job around heavy equipment.  ::MonkeyShocked::

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: theboyzmom on February 23, 2009, 06:54:35 AM
The 3 day bender to my knowledge is all rumor, I'm sure LE may know, but it fits in with weird stuff.  Like the blanket story, not knowing or being positive about times or what the children were wearing and her blanket being in the van that "they took".  Assuming this is belonging (Van) to whoever she was partying with. 

Another weird thing with Misty is that her Father apparently was in some type of accident that weekend also and broke his leg.

The bandage on Ron's neck, it is not there in the first video, it appears at some later point, I thought that was odd also.  Also in one of the first video's his left hand is pretty banged up??? 

I noticed that too~they look fresh also, look at this video around the end about minute 5 when his cell phone rings and you'll see the scratches on his hand.....

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html


Island, I live in the sticks.  God forbid my child'd go missing and someone saw how my hands often look from doing things around here 'cause I detest wearing gloves  :smt018, then took that to mean I'd committed some dastardly deed.  I have two small burn scars from feeding the woodstove recently.  I could go on and on.  But in the interest of keeping this brief, I'd be a total mess if I had a job around heavy equipment.  ::MonkeyShocked::

Foggy


Foggy - I agree 100% - I also would be looked at strange - I am always working on something and cutting myself or banging my hands up.

I also think this guy may not be the best guy in the world, but he was doing the best he could. Most kids his age walk away from their kids, don''t work and are very selfish. This guy was at least working, trying to take care of his kids and being semiresponsible. How many of us, if people were looking, would have perfect records? I know I would not.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Scarrlett on February 23, 2009, 07:35:44 AM
The 3 day bender to my knowledge is all rumor, I'm sure LE may know, but it fits in with weird stuff.  Like the blanket story, not knowing or being positive about times or what the children were wearing and her blanket being in the van that "they took".  Assuming this is belonging (Van) to whoever she was partying with. 

Another weird thing with Misty is that her Father apparently was in some type of accident that weekend also and broke his leg.

The bandage on Ron's neck, it is not there in the first video, it appears at some later point, I thought that was odd also.  Also in one of the first video's his left hand is pretty banged up??? 

I noticed that too~they look fresh also, look at this video around the end about minute 5 when his cell phone rings and you'll see the scratches on his hand.....

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html


Island, I live in the sticks.  God forbid my child'd go missing and someone saw how my hands often look from doing things around here 'cause I detest wearing gloves  :smt018, then took that to mean I'd committed some dastardly deed.  I have two small burn scars from feeding the woodstove recently.  I could go on and on.  But in the interest of keeping this brief, I'd be a total mess if I had a job around heavy equipment.  ::MonkeyShocked::

Foggy


Foggy - I agree 100% - I also would be looked at strange - I am always working on something and cutting myself or banging my hands up.

I also think this guy may not be the best guy in the world, but he was doing the best he could. Most kids his age walk away from their kids, don''t work and are very selfish. This guy was at least working, trying to take care of his kids and being semiresponsible. How many of us, if people were looking, would have perfect records? I know I would not.


Good Morning Monkey Friends!! Thank Goodness for you and Foggy...Reading the cage last night I thought the observations made were tad one sided. You see ,it is easy to go after the big one. And by that I mean mouth as well. The strong personality of Ron's has gotten in his way his whole life!
 
This does not him a child abuser or a murderer. Heck ,in that neck of the woods it looks as if Ron could of just gone on his merry way leaving the girls and children in the "system".But NO, He has a job. A good one at that. With benefits his child desperately needed. I believe he is very proud of that.

He also has been through hospital stays with her lengthy illness and worries and is at her side. Then he goes to WORK. Something the "other side" of the family seems to be a stranger to. Doesn't Crystal have yet another child in her mother's home?
Sometimes the gruffest of guys are mushes when it comes to children and would protect them in any manner necessary.

 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 08:06:10 AM
The 3 day bender to my knowledge is all rumor, I'm sure LE may know, but it fits in with weird stuff.  Like the blanket story, not knowing or being positive about times or what the children were wearing and her blanket being in the van that "they took".  Assuming this is belonging (Van) to whoever she was partying with. 

Another weird thing with Misty is that her Father apparently was in some type of accident that weekend also and broke his leg.

The bandage on Ron's neck, it is not there in the first video, it appears at some later point, I thought that was odd also.  Also in one of the first video's his left hand is pretty banged up??? 

I noticed that too~they look fresh also, look at this video around the end about minute 5 when his cell phone rings and you'll see the scratches on his hand.....

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html


Island, I live in the sticks.  God forbid my child'd go missing and someone saw how my hands often look from doing things around here 'cause I detest wearing gloves  :smt018, then took that to mean I'd committed some dastardly deed.  I have two small burn scars from feeding the woodstove recently.  I could go on and on.  But in the interest of keeping this brief, I'd be a total mess if I had a job around heavy equipment.  ::MonkeyShocked::

Foggy


Foggy - I agree 100% - I also would be looked at strange - I am always working on something and cutting myself or banging my hands up.

I also think this guy may not be the best guy in the world, but he was doing the best he could. Most kids his age walk away from their kids, don''t work and are very selfish. This guy was at least working, trying to take care of his kids and being semiresponsible. How many of us, if people were looking, would have perfect records? I know I would not.


Good Morning Monkey Friends!! Thank Goodness for you and Foggy...Reading the cage last night I thought the observations made were tad one sided. You see ,it is easy to go after the big one. And by that I mean mouth as well. The strong personality of Ron's has gotten in his way his whole life!
 
This does not him a child abuser or a murderer. Heck ,in that neck of the woods it looks as if Ron could of just gone on his merry way leaving the girls and children in the "system".But NO, He has a job. A good one at that. With benefits his child desperately needed. I believe he is very proud of that.

He also has been through hospital stays with her lengthy illness and worries and is at her side. Then he goes to WORK. Something the "other side" of the family seems to be a stranger to. Doesn't Crystal have yet another child in her mother's home?
Sometimes the gruffest of guys are mushes when it comes to children and would protect them in any manner necessary.

 



I am sorry that you felt it was one sided, it's just come down to theories and speculation at this point........we are told by LE that the SO's have been accounted for, the cousin in TN is NOT a suspect, nor the A/c guy, I don't believe they suspect Crystal or they would have given her a poly by now, so that leaves Misty and RC. Couple that with the fact that the trailer is considered a crime scene yet to be released (and I can't find one person who's ever seen a residence of a victim held this long), LE won't comment on the poly's of Misty or RC, RC's long extensive record of drug's and even using his vehicle as a drug vehicle, his anger issues, dissrespect for women in general, and bad temper............on top of the fact that even the felony charge in Sarasota (with links to evidence, affadavit's etc) are dropped and that leaves them glaringly in the spotlight. I don't want to believe they are responsible, even in the periphoral sense that someone in their circle could be responsible, yet I have to go with what I see and feel at this point~can't help how my heart feels, just as in the Caylee case. I see RC as an abuser used to controlling the girls in his life, and to see him losing it and accidentally harming someon isn't a huge jump for me.

There are just way too many inconsistencies, and the facts surrounding the odd timing of Haleigh's disappearance if we believe the timeline just don't pass the smell test. We don't even know how good of a job he has nor how long he's held this particular job. I have seen far too often men fight for custody to retain control over the one they feel rejected them-IMO, he fits this scenario. Since he has cistody, he controls Crystal, and recv's child support, another reason to have filed so he wouldn't have to pay child support.

Added to that is the fact that he has another child with Amber who is 17yrs old. In Florida that is a second degree felony for anyone 24 or over to have realtions with a 16 or 17 yr old............I seriously wonder about his ability to make good judgements or any respect for the laws. These issues IMO endanger the lives of his children. I'd be willing to bet these kids are on some form of medicaid as they were in the past, so not so sure about how great a job he has. If he is so responsible, why did he leave his small children in the care of a 17 yr old he has such a short history with. He denies drug use when clearly he has an extensive record, and he denies the gun incident while his mother confirms it. He is controlling over Misty during the interviews.......these are clear signs of an abusive personality and it's really all I have left to look at. There is a ton more I have to say, but my real life is getting in the way and I have to get ready for work, so I'll leave it at that.

I do appreciate everyone's opinion and insight, we just all see things from our own experiences and that's what makes SM so great...........the ability to debate our feelings, gut instincts etc.

IM


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Scarrlett on February 23, 2009, 08:08:20 AM

Yes, Islandmonkey, and it strikes me as significant  - in some way - that we haven't heard from AC man, Misty's visiting brother, coworkers, the boss at Ron's job, etc. I mean, everyone, their great granny, Amanda the generic neighbor, Aunty with the thing on her head bless her heart, and Adam's house cat have been heard from and questioned on the tube, but we've not gotten not word one - that I know of -  from these people (AC man, brother etc) who could possibly vouch for and support Misty and Ron's version of the story. (Of course they'd have to choose one from a myriad of versions of the story to support or refute, but still...) It seems these (IMO) very relevant folks' statements have been conspicuously absent from the media-fest. Must be a reason. I realize that someone posted that AC was cleared but still it's odd to me that he hasn't been HEARD from. (especially if he's been cleared) Jus sayin.


Great point, that along with the trailer not being release PLUS the Sheriff stating for the media that he's calling this an "abduction", because you draw more attention and get more bang for the buck ::MonkeyConfused::.............that leads me to wnder if he truly believes it WAS an abduction because if he did, why would he even make that statement????????

I don't find it odd AC man has not put himself in spotlight for his 15 minutes of fame. He was checked out he was cleared what does he know anyhow? Now what I would like to hear from is Mistys brother. What I really want to know is how big of a lunch break did RC get and was it in the middle of his shift ( 9PM). If he lives 17 miles from job site is that expressway travel ( 15 minutes) or town 25 minutes? What kind of work was he doing besides a crane operator? Could he have carried a body back with him and dumped it in a hole that was going to be filled that night? OT that is what is rumored to have happened to a woman around here...she is under a dept store ::MonkeyNoNo::

Someone earlier in the thread mentioned that hypothesis......that she would be so easy to hide at a construction site, sadly I know of other cases where this has happened.

Ok so I go to PDM Bridge website just to get a sense of what exactly they or RC would do.
http://www.pdmbridge.com/index.cfm?event=DisplayContentPieceById&contentPieceId=448
beautiful bridges btw.... then it dawned on me as I see a crane on top of an unfinished bridge....BRIDGES GO OVER WATER  ::MonkeyShocked:: Am I the only one that was not thinking that?

I had tried not to go there, thinking that he had any direct involvemnt, but now I am worried that he could have. If a man will beat his wife, he will beat his kids~sadly, it happens every day (accidents from abuse or just plain homicide)

I know I have waivered myself on his involvement but from what I have seen and know about abusers he is a classic. Whats to say he didn't come home at 9PM for lunch got mad at Misty, Haleigh woke up and got in the way and he broke her neck or something on accident when he was trying to rage on misty...sadly it happens all the time ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: I just don't know his initial reaction seemed contrived like a Susan Smith plea and then he makes those odd statements. I guess we will see, there has got to be a lot going on behind the scenes if LE hasn't given their home back to them yet.
Yes, and poor Misty seems scared whitless. She also seems to be trying to go by a script as someone mentioned. Especially in that infamous Greta interview where Ron GLARED at Misty and seemed to be controlling her answers. That was hard to watch frankly.

And Ron and Misty seem to KNOW she's dead. "I loved her like my own. (Misty - past tense and she had JUST gone missing.)

Ron: "I"d give my life to have my child's life back."

Ron: "I'm gonna keep believing that she's alive.. until they find her."

WTH? Keep believe she's alive until they find her? Why won't they find her alive, Ron?



Misty looks scared.    Let me tell you if she was watching my child while I was at work and I came home and he was gone...............She better pack her lunch!! She would have NO TIME for fear!! And I am a very passive "doormat" type. I would want to rip her to shreds.

I know Island Monkey understands this very well. What we would do for our kids knows no bounds!! Go with your FIRST instinct, Islandmonkey  for that is the instinct.

I sit here and think of the horror I felt when at 4, he hid in the store on me and my heart pounded and a burning rose in me. Primal instinct was taking over. I was yelling his name and ripping cloths away from the racks. Panic

I also bet that when Ron heard he started smacking walls and hard things like that. Misty not having a scratch on her is telling, in that he expressed his anger in words and hitting inanimate objects. While not good behavior, it is better than the alternative. Testosterone is pouring out of this dude.

BTW...Party Girl of the '70's and 80's, Yes I was. Did some drinking and druggin. Would I ever tell Geraldo or anyone on national TV about my use and abuse???????? Never, not your business or anyone else'. If LE knows and "we" know they do, harping on it could only create a problem where there was none to begin with and little JR is still around.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Scarrlett on February 23, 2009, 08:24:55 AM
Oh I am so glad you are up. I never get to see you. Only the essence of "your" last post.

The age of these girls has made me stumble a bit. I agree.  I live in the Catskill Mountains and small towns make up the area. In some of these towns ,this is the norm. It only gets brought up in court if a fight occurs between the two and she makes a complaint. Usually dropped later and LE just supervises these elements. I don't think there would be enough jail facilities. Would be funny if not so true.

I think with Ron just being around would scare anyone not to go in his home and take his child. It is someone that knows his routine. It doesn't necessarily need to be a family member. I see BTK killer stamped on this. Someone leaking in the closet for hours and hours with a chloroform rag. Because now thanks to Casey...Everyone know how to make that!!  Misyt falls asleep...Probably had a few... and then out of the closet.1 2 3 Gone.
This has happened and with TV and CSI shows, it gives sick people more ideas. Sad



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 23, 2009, 08:37:14 AM
Oh I am so glad you are up. I never get to see you. Only the essence of "your" last post.

The age of these girls has made me stumble a bit. I agree.  I live in the Catskill Mountains and small towns make up the area. In some of these towns ,this is the norm. It only gets brought up in court if a fight occurs between the two and she makes a complaint. Usually dropped later and LE just supervises these elements. I don't think there would be enough jail facilities. Would be funny if not so true.

I think with Ron just being around would scare anyone not to go in his home and take his child. It is someone that knows his routine. It doesn't necessarily need to be a family member. I see BTK killer stamped on this. Someone leaking in the closet for hours and hours with a chloroform rag. Because now thanks to Casey...Everyone know how to make that!!  Misyt falls asleep...Probably had a few... and then out of the closet.1 2 3 Gone.
This has happened and with TV and CSI shows, it gives sick people more ideas. Sad



I could go with that. So's usually are fixated on their target and I could see a boogey man in the closet. What I have a hard time wrapping my head around is that they clear the cousin and the A/C man but will not give same info on RC or MC and the house is still not available to them. I have not seen a house held for so long nor results not being released of polys for innocent people. I think that is what causes people to wonder and speculate and create scenarios. I could be totally wrong here but it just seems suspect.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 08:38:45 AM
Oh I am so glad you are up. I never get to see you. Only the essence of "your" last post.

The age of these girls has made me stumble a bit. I agree.  I live in the Catskill Mountains and small towns make up the area. In some of these towns ,this is the norm. It only gets brought up in court if a fight occurs between the two and she makes a complaint. Usually dropped later and LE just supervises these elements. I don't think there would be enough jail facilities. Would be funny if not so true.

I think with Ron just being around would scare anyone not to go in his home and take his child. It is someone that knows his routine. It doesn't necessarily need to be a family member. I see BTK killer stamped on this. Someone leaking in the closet for hours and hours with a chloroform rag. Because now thanks to Casey...Everyone know how to make that!!  Misyt falls asleep...Probably had a few... and then out of the closet.1 2 3 Gone.
This has happened and with TV and CSI shows, it gives sick people more ideas. Sad



I agree that if it was an outside they HAD to know Ron's schedule, I sure as h#ll wouldn't enter his home, turn on the light etc., but he had only been working this shift for a few weeks according to his mother. I just would love to hear from a neighbor who had actually seen these kids between 5:30 on, that would tighten the timeline and really help.

I totally agree that CSI type shows, etc have given creeps all kinds of ideas trying to get away with murder and even hampers jury decisions because they are always looking for the smoking gun and not necessarily using common sense.

I just think he's been visited by DCF, well we actually know that from LE, but his statement that he and his daughter have an agreement and he disciplines her according to DCF guidelines leads me to theorize that he may have been called out by them on this specific topic-and there had to be a reason for that. I just see that as a very odd stmt, IMO..........off to work, if things aren't too crazy I'll try to jump on later. Otherwise have a great day!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Scarrlett on February 23, 2009, 08:43:58 AM
Not sure about Florida but a crane operator is a skilled position and demands better than average pay. 35 to 40 per hour non-union around here. I think the union is way more than that. Around 60 to 70 per hour in the union and great benefits.

I have left my child with a 17 year old babysitter. He was older though. I joined a book group and they met 45 minutes from my home. I made the night out of it. It would end at 10..we go eat and get coffee and sometimes it could be close to 2 when I got home.

 I wonder if he ever called home to check. I did and if she was sleeping I would freak!! She stayed over in my guest room but would not go to sleep until I got home. I also had 2 dogs then. They are great deterrents. Everyone should have one especially if you ever lived in fear.
The BTK killer observed his prey for weeks and weeks. One women he was watching came out of her home one day with a dog. At that time the neighbor came out to talk and he chose her over the one with the dog. His original prey was spared and she didn't even know that dog saved her a horrible death.    GO DOGS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pharlap on February 23, 2009, 08:50:20 AM
Not sure about Florida but a crane operator is a skilled position and demands better than average pay. 35 to 40 per hour non-union around here. I think the union is way more than that. Around 60 to 70 per hour in the union and great benefits.

I have left my child with a 17 year old babysitter. He was older though. I joined a book group and they met 45 minutes from my home. I made the night out of it. It would end at 10..we go eat and get coffee and sometimes it could be close to 2 when I got home.

 I wonder if he ever called home to check. I did and if she was sleeping I would freak!! She stayed over in my guest room but would not go to sleep until I got home. I also had 2 dogs then. They are great deterrents. Everyone should have one especially if you ever lived in fear.
The BTK killer observed his prey for weeks and weeks. One women he was watching came out of her home one day with a dog. At that time the neighbor came out to talk and he chose her over the one with the dog. His original prey was spared and she didn't even know that dog saved her a horrible death.    GO DOGS
Didn't know that about the BTK killer...However didn't follow that case a lot...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Scarrlett on February 23, 2009, 08:56:40 AM
Oh I am so glad you are up. I never get to see you. Only the essence of "your" last post.

The age of these girls has made me stumble a bit. I agree.  I live in the Catskill Mountains and small towns make up the area. In some of these towns ,this is the norm. It only gets brought up in court if a fight occurs between the two and she makes a complaint. Usually dropped later and LE just supervises these elements. I don't think there would be enough jail facilities. Would be funny if not so true.

I think with Ron just being around would scare anyone not to go in his home and take his child. It is someone that knows his routine. It doesn't necessarily need to be a family member. I see BTK killer stamped on this. Someone leaking in the closet for hours and hours with a chloroform rag. Because now thanks to Casey...Everyone know how to make that!!  Misyt falls asleep...Probably had a few... and then out of the closet.1 2 3 Gone.
This has happened and with TV and CSI shows, it gives sick people more ideas. Sad



I could go with that. So's usually are fixated on their target and I could see a boogey man in the closet. What I have a hard time wrapping my head around is that they clear the cousin and the A/C man but will not give same info on RC or MC and the house is still not available to them. I have not seen a house held for so long nor results not being released of polys for innocent people. I think that is what causes people to wonder and speculate and create scenarios. I could be totally wrong here but it just seems suspect.

Yes this is strange. Maybe that long record of drugs and stuff Island pulled out of the air has something to do with it. She is good at that. TY

I just wish Haleigh could be found. I never thought Caylee would be found as I thought she knew about alligators being from Florida and all. Again with the discussion all over the world about Caylee and speculation in that case could of given this creep so many disposal ideas.

It must be true horror to not know where your child is.  I can have a soft heart for anyone who,s soul is being tortured. Cindy and George too.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Scarrlett on February 23, 2009, 09:07:24 AM
Hi Pharlap.....I watched the day he went to court and very calmly told the story of his crimes. Chilling....very scary. It was this man and that interview that took away some of the innocent ways I have. I grew up secure and safe. I never made notice of my surroundings. Now I do.

The nice man at the softball game that helps out moving the hot dog cart and having fun...The day after that interview I looked at that man differently and was ashamed for thinking such things. He really is a nice man who's wife died and he was lonely.

I suppose you never can be too careful when it comes to our kids.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pharlap on February 23, 2009, 09:13:20 AM
Any thoughts to why any of the Cummings haven't lawyer up yet?
Possibly if they did, they'd be in there own house atm......


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 23, 2009, 09:31:28 AM
Any thoughts to why any of the Cummings haven't lawyer up yet?
Possibly if they did, they'd be in there own house atm......

Hi Pharlap.... can you guess who I am at JQ ::MonkeyLaugh:: hint:This too sounds familiar


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Scarrlett on February 23, 2009, 09:44:16 AM
Any thoughts to why any of the Cummings haven't lawyer up yet?
Possibly if they did, they'd be in there own house atm......

That's a good point, my friend. But if they did they would be criticized for that as well.  ::MonkeyLaugh::

But I was always told when in doubt,"Lawyer-UP"   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: janetruth on February 23, 2009, 10:04:55 AM
Any thoughts to why any of the Cummings haven't lawyer up yet?
Possibly if they did, they'd be in there own house atm......

That's a good point, my friend. But if they did they would be criticized for that as well.  ::MonkeyLaugh::

But I was always told when in doubt,"Lawyer-UP"   ::MonkeyConfused::

They probably can't afford to.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 23, 2009, 10:08:52 AM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131955&catid=3

Family Holds Vigil for Haleigh Cummings
Posted By: Talia Naquin     Created: 2/22/2009 7:19:26 PM    Updated: 2/22/2009 7:20:28 PM


PUTNAM COUNTY, FL -- On night 13 since Haleigh Cummings'' disappearance family members will hold their nightly candelight vigils.


Sunday night school bus drivers from Baker County are caravanning in to be with family at the vigil. Heleigh's grandmother Marie Griffis is herself a Baker County bus driver.


There was no organized searching going on in Satsuma Sunday and investigators did not hold an afternoon news conference update.


Family members say they have received reports of websites selling Haleigh t-shirts and other items but that they don't know who's behind the sites and they're not legitimate.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 23, 2009, 10:19:17 AM
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18772088/detail.html

1,600 Leads, Family Distractions In Haleigh Case
Putnam Deputies Issue Warning To Fox News' Geraldo Rivera


POSTED: Sunday, February 22, 2009

 
PALATKA, Fla. -- For the first time since 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings disappeared nearly two weeks ago, there was no official update on the investigation, although deputies were visible in the neighborhood as they continued whittling through more than 1,600 leads received.

While the official ground searches were suspended, volunteers spent the weekend looking for the missing kindergartner on horseback around the Satsuma home where Haleigh lived with her father, Ronald Cummings, and his girlfriend, Misty Croslin.

For 13 days, both Cummings and Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, have pleaded for information or for whoever took the girl to bring her home. Each night, the families have help prayer vigils -- sometimes together and sometimes separately.

Stories and rumors about Croslin's cousin in Tennessee -- who left Satsuma hours before Haleigh disappeared -- and Ronald Cummings' private life had fueled a growing tension among family members.

On Saturday evening, that tension boiled over during an interview between Cummings and Fox News anchor Geraldo Rivera.

When the controversial journalist brought up allegations of abuse, Cummings said he "never, ever have I ever hit my child."

"Me and my child have an agreement. Daddy, daughter. She has been spanked on her behind the way DCF (Florida Department of Children and Families) says that you can take care of disciplining your children," Cummings said in the Fox interview.

When Rivera continued pressing Cummings with allegations he hit Sheffield, used illegal drugs and was "75 percent sure" he knew know took Haleigh, the property owners told Rivera to leave and Putnam County deputies were called.

Rivera was issued a warning that if he would be charged with trespassing if he returned.

While neighter of Haleigh's parents would speak to the media after the incident, Haleigh's maternal grandmother wasn't surprised at the confrontation between the family and Rivera.

"I knew it was going to fester and explode," Marie Griffis told Channel 4 on Sunday.

Griffis then turned the focus to where both side of the family want it to be: "Whoever has Haleigh, just bring her home."

Anyone with information about Haleigh's disappearance should call 888-277-TIPS or the FDLE's Missing Endangered Persons Information Clearinghouse at 888-FL-MISSING.

The reward for information regarding Haleigh's whereabouts and/or the conviction of the perpetrator of any crimes involving stands at $20,000.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 23, 2009, 10:34:57 AM
Not knowing much about the drug trade and informants, does anyone think that it is a possibility that somebody who was cheated buying drugs from Ron, or Ron giving up a name or names of people involved in drugs, has anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance? I don't but curious to know what people think. Does his mother who works for the sheriffs dept have some pull when it comes to Ron and his brushes with the law, there has to be something there. ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 23, 2009, 10:43:05 AM
You all rock!
I too think that the father has done the best with what he had...a job, having someone in at night to watch the kids, even if she was only 17..a big responsibility for a 17 yr old for all those hours...but in his mind, maybe that was his only recourse...I would suspect that a lot of single parents working the night shift might have a child care issue...I still say that the grand parents,even Crystal's parents could have helped Ron out more with the kids...perhaps if any of them would have stepped up and volunteered to take the kids 2 or 3 nights a week, he would not have had to have a 17 yr old live in... one of the grand mothers had said that she had not seen Haleigh for over 2 weeks.... she lives in the area...I see my grand daughters every other day if not every day, otherwise I have withdrawals...tee hee...
Misty also benefited by having a place to live....
like I said before, any of the pictures with Haleigh, she looks happy and loved...she was always well dressed it appeared, her hair was always done, at least combed...You see some little mites and their hair clearly has not been washed or combed for days, dirty little faces, dirty clothes etc....and also, just the fact that there were so many pictures of her, abusing parents don't bother with pictures like these in my opinion, fishing with dad, first day of school etc......just my opinion of course...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 23, 2009, 11:01:06 AM
You all rock!
I too think that the father has done the best with what he had...a job, having someone in at night to watch the kids, even if she was only 17..a big responsibility for a 17 yr old for all those hours...but in his mind, maybe that was his only recourse...I would suspect that a lot of single parents working the night shift might have a child care issue...I still say that the grand parents,even Crystal's parents could have helped Ron out more with the kids...perhaps if any of them would have stepped up and volunteered to take the kids 2 or 3 nights a week, he would not have had to have a 17 yr old live in... one of the grand mothers had said that she had not seen Haleigh for over 2 weeks.... she lives in the area...I see my grand daughters every other day if not every day, otherwise I have withdrawals...tee hee...
Misty also benefited by having a place to live....
like I said before, any of the pictures with Haleigh, she looks happy and loved...she was always well dressed it appeared, her hair was always done, at least combed...You see some little mites and their hair clearly has not been washed or combed for days, dirty little faces, dirty clothes etc....and also, just the fact that there were so many pictures of her, abusing parents don't bother with pictures like these in my opinion, fishing with dad, first day of school etc......just my opinion of course...
I agree with you about Haleigh looking happy and loved, looks like she was well taken care of as far as grooming, but so did Caylee, Caylee's pictures she also looked happy and well loved. Caylee also looked well groomed at all times. The problem is that's what we are seeing, we of course cannot see what is happening inside one's home. Many pics are taken of people where you think they don't have a care in the world and everything is great, but in reality things aren't great.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 11:06:56 AM
Not knowing much about the drug trade and informants, does anyone think that it is a possibility that somebody who was cheated buying drugs from Ron, or Ron giving up a name or names of people involved in drugs, has anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance? I don't but curious to know what people think. Does his mother who works for the sheriffs dept have some pull when it comes to Ron and his brushes with the law, there has to be something there. ::MonkeyEek::

I think it is at least plausible, maybe not an informant, but a snitch.....rolled over on someone else to keep himself out of the pokey, there are way too many drug charges ropped and the Sarasota ones were a felony for hime to justne falsley accused all the time, it just makes NO sense......and we've only checked Sarasota and Putnam counties so far ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 23, 2009, 11:08:16 AM
Norose.....I think that most of the pictures of Caylee were probably taken by Cindy...I don't think that Casey could be bothered unless she was in the picture to tell you the truth....
you are right though that we don't know what goes on that we don't see...
 
funny how we have feelings about different child disappearances...I felt from the beginning that little Caylee was no longer with us...I  feel that Madeleine is still alive and I believe that Haleigh is still alive as well...hope I am right!

God bless this little child, Haleigh,  and hope that she is found today alive and well!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 23, 2009, 11:12:30 AM
Norose.....I think that most of the pictures of Caylee were probably taken by Cindy...I don't think that Casey could be bothered unless she was in the picture to tell you the truth....
you are right though that we don't know what goes on that we don't see...
 
funny how we have feelings about different child disappearances...I felt from the beginning that little Caylee was no longer with us...I  feel that Madeleine is still alive and I believe that Haleigh is still alive as well...hope I am right!

God bless this little child, Haleigh,  and hope that she is found today alive and well!
My gut with all three cases told me all three children are no longer with us. And I would be more than happy to eat my words if little Hayleigh and Maddie were still alive. And then I think of Elizabeth Smart and that miracle, so one never knows.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 23, 2009, 11:29:05 AM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131963&catid=295

(http://www.firstcoastnews.com/genthumb.ashx?e=3&h=240&w=320&i=/assetpool/images/090220054528_022209_haleigh3.jpg)

Community Support Grows For Haleigh's Family
Posted By: Ryan Duffy     11 hrs ago


PUTNAM COUNTY, FL -- As new developments in the disappearance of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings slow down, the community support for the little girls family just continues to grow.

Family members have stayed nearly around the clock at their camps in the neighborhood where Haleigh was last seen.

"You look around and you think people don't care anymore and they don't want to help anymore and you have a tragedy hits you like this and people come out of the woodworks," says Haleigh's grandmother Marie Griffis.

They bring pillows, blankets, tents and chairs, and every day more hot food.

And Sunday night Marie Griffis's coworkers, other Baker County school bus drivers, came to the family vigil to show their support.

Neither Griffis or her daughter, Haleigh's mother Crystal Sheffield, have been able to go home to Baker County now for two weeks.

Griffis says she isn't discouraged that there have been no new developments in the last few days.

And she plans to continue on with the vigils every night, for as long as it takes.

"We all feel like Haleigh's okay, I guess you could say it's mom's intuition and because she's my maternal grandchild, my close connection with her, I know she's okay. In the pit of my stomach I know she's find, i just don't know where she's at."




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: nikkibnurse on February 23, 2009, 11:33:26 AM
Hey guys..I havent been on much lately..been in the hospital!!

But,I have been wanting to ask yall....what do you think of the way Hayleigh's bio mom threw the dad under the bus the other night on Geraldo? ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 23, 2009, 11:45:14 AM
Hey guys..I havent been on much lately..been in the hospital!!

But,I have been wanting to ask yall....what do you think of the way Hayleigh's bio mom threw the dad under the bus the other night on Geraldo? ::MonkeyEek::

First, I sure hope you are doing better. I think she threw him under the bus, maybe for revenge or she wanted that info out there, this family has me very bewildered.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: nikkibnurse on February 23, 2009, 11:47:19 AM
I am much better, ty!! I am bewildered by this family as well..so many players in this game, huh? Something in the milk aint clean, IMHO....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 23, 2009, 11:52:40 AM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131963&catid=295

(http://www.firstcoastnews.com/genthumb.ashx?e=3&h=240&w=320&i=/assetpool/images/090220054528_022209_haleigh3.jpg)

Community Support Grows For Haleigh's Family
Posted By: Ryan Duffy     11 hrs ago


PUTNAM COUNTY, FL -- As new developments in the disappearance of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings slow down, the community support for the little girls family just continues to grow.

Family members have stayed nearly around the clock at their camps in the neighborhood where Haleigh was last seen.

"You look around and you think people don't care anymore and they don't want to help anymore and you have a tragedy hits you like this and people come out of the woodworks," says Haleigh's grandmother Marie Griffis.

They bring pillows, blankets, tents and chairs, and every day more hot food.

And Sunday night Marie Griffis's coworkers, other Baker County school bus drivers, came to the family vigil to show their support.

Neither Griffis or her daughter, Haleigh's mother Crystal Sheffield, have been able to go home to Baker County now for two weeks.

Griffis says she isn't discouraged that there have been no new developments in the last few days.

And she plans to continue on with the vigils every night, for as long as it takes.

"We all feel like Haleigh's okay, I guess you could say it's mom's intuition and because she's my maternal grandchild, my close connection with her, I know she's okay. In the pit of my stomach I know she's find, i just don't know where she's at."

Maybe these are words of comfort to say but it reeks of the Anthony clans sentiments  ::MonkeyShocked::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 23, 2009, 11:54:12 AM
Hey guys..I havent been on much lately..been in the hospital!!

But,I have been wanting to ask yall....what do you think of the way Hayleigh's bio mom threw the dad under the bus the other night on Geraldo? ::MonkeyEek::


 ::MonkeyShocked::

Nikki! I hope you're feeling better!

I'm bewildered too about this case, and just don't know what to think. She sure did toss him under that bus, and Geraldo drives me nuts, but I suspect there's some truth in what she said. The thing is, even if there is truth in what she said, it doesn't mean that Dad isn't sincere in his statements too.    :smt102

If there's truth in her allegations, I say, OK, lay it out there and let the police look at every possibility. But as far as impressions go, Dad seems sincere, to me anyway.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 23, 2009, 11:59:31 AM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131963&catid=295

(http://www.firstcoastnews.com/genthumb.ashx?e=3&h=240&w=320&i=/assetpool/images/090220054528_022209_haleigh3.jpg)

Community Support Grows For Haleigh's Family
Posted By: Ryan Duffy     11 hrs ago


PUTNAM COUNTY, FL -- As new developments in the disappearance of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings slow down, the community support for the little girls family just continues to grow.

Family members have stayed nearly around the clock at their camps in the neighborhood where Haleigh was last seen.

"You look around and you think people don't care anymore and they don't want to help anymore and you have a tragedy hits you like this and people come out of the woodworks," says Haleigh's grandmother Marie Griffis.

They bring pillows, blankets, tents and chairs, and every day more hot food.

And Sunday night Marie Griffis's coworkers, other Baker County school bus drivers, came to the family vigil to show their support.

Neither Griffis or her daughter, Haleigh's mother Crystal Sheffield, have been able to go home to Baker County now for two weeks.

Griffis says she isn't discouraged that there have been no new developments in the last few days.

And she plans to continue on with the vigils every night, for as long as it takes.

"We all feel like Haleigh's okay, I guess you could say it's mom's intuition and because she's my maternal grandchild, my close connection with her, I know she's okay. In the pit of my stomach I know she's find, i just don't know where she's at."

Maybe these are words of comfort to say but it reeks of the Anthony clans sentiments  ::MonkeyShocked::


The bolded words are mine sorry I messed up the qoute box!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 12:06:23 PM
Hey guys..I havent been on much lately..been in the hospital!!

But,I have been wanting to ask yall....what do you think of the way Hayleigh's bio mom threw the dad under the bus the other night on Geraldo? ::MonkeyEek::


I think she's beyond frustrated at the constant lies/inconsistencies, and if RC did tell Chad and Marcus he was 75% sure who had Haleigh and didn't tell LE due to his fear of exposure to his criminal activities~I'd not only throw him under the bus, I'd drive over him, bcak up and start again.

Lets' look at the inconsistencies

1) No one can remember where anyone was sleeping, this changes more than once

2) the pink shirt she was in was found in the dirty clothes basket, but earlier Misty said she was in jammies, then a pink shirt and tan shorts, then a pink shirt and undies.

3) the blanket clusterf@ck, too detailed to go into while I'm at work

4) Ron states two different times that her saw her last, once at 3:45 getting off the bus, and another around 10pm, he states he left Misty, Jr and Haleigh with all of them in bed under Misty's care

5) the bus stop.....Teresa (ron's mom) states that she got her off the bus, Ron states that he did

6) Who was at the house-Misty says brother, a/c man and nephews, then later adds cousin, grandma says she was there at 7pm that night so why doesn't Misty mention that was there that night

7)Ron's mom states there was a fight over the gun, RC states there was not

8)Ron states back door showed forced entry, LE states NO forced entry

9) Misty says Haleigh got up to go to the bathroom and then she states that she got up to go tot the bathroom and not Haleigh, then she is up getting a drink of water.

10)Ron states he's never even seen the cinder blocks, while LE states there are a stack of them int he back yard.

11) Misty changes her story from noticing the backdoor open and then realizing Haleigh is gone to realizing Haleigh is gone and then notices the back door open

12) she states she called 911 5 minutes after she noticed Haleigh missing, which should have been around 3:05 according to police report, but the call came in at 3:27 IIRc

13) Ron's work schedule was 3am -3pm, so why did he get Haleigh off the bus, was he late for work

14)Ron denies drug abuse, when he has clearly abused them and from some of the charges looks like he was a dealer..why lie about something anyone can find out.

There is more, but I'm at work and these are just from memory, so if you need the links later - I'll get them to you.

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 23, 2009, 12:13:54 PM
Nice job IM ::MonkeyDance:: . May I also add something odd? At no time did Misty say she then when to check on Ronny Jr... wouldn't that only make sense?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pharlap on February 23, 2009, 12:15:19 PM
Hey guys..I havent been on much lately..been in the hospital!!

But,I have been wanting to ask yall....what do you think of the way Hayleigh's bio mom threw the dad under the bus the other night on Geraldo? ::MonkeyEek::


I think she's beyond frustrated at the constant lies/inconsistencies, and if RC did tell Chad and Marcus he was 75% sure who had Haleigh and didn't tell LE due to his fear of exposure to his criminal activities~I'd not only throw him under the bus, I'd drive over him, bcak up and start again.

Lets' look at the inconsistencies

1) No one can remember where anyone was sleeping, this changes more than once

2) the pink shirt she was in was found in the dirty clothes basket, but earlier Misty said she was in jammies, then a pink shirt and tan shorts, then a pink shirt and undies.

3) the blanket clusterf@ck, too detailed to go into while I'm at work

4) Ron states two different times that her saw her last, once at 3:45 getting off the bus, and another around 10pm, he states he left Misty, Jr and Haleigh with all of them in bed under Misty's care

5) the bus stop.....Teresa (ron's mom) states that she got her off the bus, Ron states that he did

6) Who was at the house-Misty says brother, a/c man and nephews, then later adds cousin, grandma says she was there at 7pm that night so why doesn't Misty mention that was there that night

7)Ron's mom states there was a fight over the gun, RC states there was not

8)Ron states back door showed forced entry, LE states NO forced entry

9) Misty says Haleigh got up to go to the bathroom and then she states that she got up to go tot the bathroom and not Haleigh, then she is up getting a drink of water.

10)Ron states he's never even seen the cinder blocks, while LE states there are a stack of them int he back yard.

11) Misty changes her story from noticing the backdoor open and then realizing Haleigh is gone to realizing Haleigh is gone and then notices the back door open

12) she states she called 911 5 minutes after she noticed Haleigh missing, which should have been around 3:05 according to police report, but the call came in at 3:27 IIRc

13) Ron's work schedule was 3am -3pm, so why did he get Haleigh off the bus, was he late for work

14)Ron denies drug abuse, when he has clearly abused them and from some of the charges looks like he was a dealer..why lie about something anyone can find out.

There is more, but I'm at work and these are just from memory, so if you need the links later - I'll get them to you.

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

Great list.
BTW, nikkibnurse hope your recovering ok.......... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 23, 2009, 12:20:55 PM
Hey guys..I havent been on much lately..been in the hospital!!

But,I have been wanting to ask yall....what do you think of the way Hayleigh's bio mom threw the dad under the bus the other night on Geraldo? ::MonkeyEek::


I think she's beyond frustrated at the constant lies/inconsistencies, and if RC did tell Chad and Marcus he was 75% sure who had Haleigh and didn't tell LE due to his fear of exposure to his criminal activities~I'd not only throw him under the bus, I'd drive over him, bcak up and start again.

Lets' look at the inconsistencies

1) No one can remember where anyone was sleeping, this changes more than once

2) the pink shirt she was in was found in the dirty clothes basket, but earlier Misty said she was in jammies, then a pink shirt and tan shorts, then a pink shirt and undies.

3) the blanket clusterf@ck, too detailed to go into while I'm at work

4) Ron states two different times that her saw her last, once at 3:45 getting off the bus, and another around 10pm, he states he left Misty, Jr and Haleigh with all of them in bed under Misty's care

5) the bus stop.....Teresa (ron's mom) states that she got her off the bus, Ron states that he did

6) Who was at the house-Misty says brother, a/c man and nephews, then later adds cousin, grandma says she was there at 7pm that night so why doesn't Misty mention that was there that night

7)Ron's mom states there was a fight over the gun, RC states there was not

8)Ron states back door showed forced entry, LE states NO forced entry

9) Misty says Haleigh got up to go to the bathroom and then she states that she got up to go tot the bathroom and not Haleigh, then she is up getting a drink of water.

10)Ron states he's never even seen the cinder blocks, while LE states there are a stack of them int he back yard.

11) Misty changes her story from noticing the backdoor open and then realizing Haleigh is gone to realizing Haleigh is gone and then notices the back door open

12) she states she called 911 5 minutes after she noticed Haleigh missing, which should have been around 3:05 according to police report, but the call came in at 3:27 IIRc

13) Ron's work schedule was 3am -3pm, so why did he get Haleigh off the bus, was he late for work

14)Ron denies drug abuse, when he has clearly abused them and from some of the charges looks like he was a dealer..why lie about something anyone can find out.

There is more, but I'm at work and these are just from memory, so if you need the links later - I'll get them to you.

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

That's a great list islandmonkey! I haven't been following this case closely, and I'm getting educated here! You're a good teacher!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 12:30:11 PM
Oh I am so glad you are up. I never get to see you. Only the essence of "your" last post.

The age of these girls has made me stumble a bit. I agree.  I live in the Catskill Mountains and small towns make up the area. In some of these towns ,this is the norm. It only gets brought up in court if a fight occurs between the two and she makes a complaint. Usually dropped later and LE just supervises these elements. I don't think there would be enough jail facilities. Would be funny if not so true.

I think with Ron just being around would scare anyone not to go in his home and take his child. It is someone that knows his routine. It doesn't necessarily need to be a family member. I see BTK killer stamped on this. Someone leaking in the closet for hours and hours with a chloroform rag. Because now thanks to Casey...Everyone know how to make that!!  Misyt falls asleep...Probably had a few... and then out of the closet.1 2 3 Gone.
This has happened and with TV and CSI shows, it gives sick people more ideas. Sad



I could go with that. So's usually are fixated on their target and I could see a boogey man in the closet. What I have a hard time wrapping my head around is that they clear the cousin and the A/C man but will not give same info on RC or MC and the house is still not available to them. I have not seen a house held for so long nor results not being released of polys for innocent people. I think that is what causes people to wonder and speculate and create scenarios. I could be totally wrong here but it just seems suspect.
Yes. Exactly - those things you mentioned plus others go  toward a certain type of opinion forming for some people. 

To me it would be absurd  to "try and convict"  someone prematurely on a website and I didn't see anyone doing that nor did I read the opinions in that way. I simply read folks' "take" on things based on observations and the information that's available. Some information is not profound standing on its own, but put several tidbits in the big picture and things start leaning in a certain direction for some people.

I also noticed in these posts that other statements or facts were  mentioned as info that's needed to clear things, and or vouch for and support Ron and Misty's story; but that information is not materializing... or it hasn't yet. Not to say it won't. Specifically mentioned as conspicuously absent were statements from the visiting brother, the "cleared" AC man, the "cleared" cousin, the co-workers, etc. It seems these people would have significant input about the pieces of the puzzle. 

Who ELSE saw Haleigh besides Ron and Misty on the last day before she went missing? Surely someone did since Misty stated other people were in the home that day.

I didn't believe  Susan Smith from "word one" and people (not here of course) told me that I was heartless and called me every name in the book just for stating my opinion. Yikes. Things simply struck me as odd about her, her demeanor, her words, and her story didn't add for me. Not to start up on Susan Smith - just a quick analogy. I'm sure there were folks somewhere who were suspicious of, for example,  Ed Smart, (I wasn't among them)  so I realize that the analogy can flow both ways.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 12:34:56 PM
Good Morning Everyone, Oh yeah, Good Afternoon! 

Maybe they are not clearing Misty and Ron because if it is a SO he may slip up, think hey the LE are looking at them so I don't need to worry so much.  Just a thought. 

Also LE held the Ramsey house forever it seemed as a crime scene, of course there was a body involved here.

I still have gotten no answers or speculation on Tapes/CD's that were seized from the home, does anyone know what these could be??? 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 12:38:52 PM
I can't copy and paste police report but it is located under all the witnesses there, it says Recordings (Tapes, CD's, Cassettes)  than it further says seized not stolen.  What is this?

I'm not familar w/police proceedings, do they record the conversation w/parents and this is what they are referring too?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 12:41:42 PM
Nice job IM ::MonkeyDance:: . May I also add something odd? At no time did Misty say she then when to check on Ronny Jr... wouldn't that only make sense?

Sure, feel free to add to my list and toss that on one, another odd thing is the fact she even stayed in the house after realizing Haleigh wasn't in it and the door was open, I think almost anyone else would have picked up the other child an running screaming to the neighbors in fear and called 911.......OOPS, just remembered another thin godd Ron didn't cal 911, Misty did (distancing himself away from the act), and when he does talk with them, he hangs up on them.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 12:45:32 PM
Hey guys..I havent been on much lately..been in the hospital!!

But,I have been wanting to ask yall....what do you think of the way Hayleigh's bio mom threw the dad under the bus the other night on Geraldo? ::MonkeyEek::


I think she's beyond frustrated at the constant lies/inconsistencies, and if RC did tell Chad and Marcus he was 75% sure who had Haleigh and didn't tell LE due to his fear of exposure to his criminal activities~I'd not only throw him under the bus, I'd drive over him, bcak up and start again.

Lets' look at the inconsistencies

1) No one can remember where anyone was sleeping, this changes more than once

2) the pink shirt she was in was found in the dirty clothes basket, but earlier Misty said she was in jammies, then a pink shirt and tan shorts, then a pink shirt and undies.

3) the blanket clusterf@ck, too detailed to go into while I'm at work

4) Ron states two different times that her saw her last, once at 3:45 getting off the bus, and another around 10pm, he states he left Misty, Jr and Haleigh with all of them in bed under Misty's care

5) the bus stop.....Teresa (ron's mom) states that she got her off the bus, Ron states that he did

6) Who was at the house-Misty says brother, a/c man and nephews, then later adds cousin, grandma says she was there at 7pm that night so why doesn't Misty mention that was there that night

7)Ron's mom states there was a fight over the gun, RC states there was not

8)Ron states back door showed forced entry, LE states NO forced entry

9) Misty says Haleigh got up to go to the bathroom and then she states that she got up to go tot the bathroom and not Haleigh, then she is up getting a drink of water.

10)Ron states he's never even seen the cinder blocks, while LE states there are a stack of them int he back yard.

11) Misty changes her story from noticing the backdoor open and then realizing Haleigh is gone to realizing Haleigh is gone and then notices the back door open

12) she states she called 911 5 minutes after she noticed Haleigh missing, which should have been around 3:05 according to police report, but the call came in at 3:27 IIRc

13) Ron's work schedule was 3am -3pm, so why did he get Haleigh off the bus, was he late for work

14)Ron denies drug abuse, when he has clearly abused them and from some of the charges looks like he was a dealer..why lie about something anyone can find out.

There is more, but I'm at work and these are just from memory, so if you need the links later - I'll get them to you.

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

That's a great list islandmonkey! I haven't been following this case closely, and I'm getting educated here! You're a good teacher!  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks CBB~ I never thought any case would rival tha A's, but this one is a strong second for sure......


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 23, 2009, 12:46:49 PM
Good Morning Everyone, Oh yeah, Good Afternoon! 

Maybe they are not clearing Misty and Ron because if it is a SO he may slip up, think hey the LE are looking at them so I don't need to worry so much.  Just a thought. 

Also LE held the Ramsey house forever it seemed as a crime scene, of course there was a body involved here.

I still have gotten no answers or speculation on Tapes/CD's that were seized from the home, does anyone know what these could be??? 
I have no idea about those tapes/cd's either. Leslee brought up a really good point also what about Ron Jr, sure hope he is being watched carefully. And Islandmonkey that was a great outline.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 23, 2009, 12:48:23 PM
I never thought I would see another family that would rival the Anthonys either, and so soon.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pharlap on February 23, 2009, 12:50:22 PM
Nice job IM ::MonkeyDance:: . May I also add something odd? At no time did Misty say she then when to check on Ronny Jr... wouldn't that only make sense?

Sure, feel free to add to my list and toss that on one, another odd thing is the fact she even stayed in the house after realizing Haleigh wasn't in it and the door was open, I think almost anyone else would have picked up the other child an running screaming to the neighbors in fear and called 911.......OOPS, just remembered another thin godd Ron didn't cal 911, Misty did (distancing himself away from the act), and when he does talk with them, he hangs up on them.

Your right, why would she stay in the house.........
How far is the next door neighbor's house, close???


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 12:56:46 PM
Nice job IM ::MonkeyDance:: . May I also add something odd? At no time did Misty say she then when to check on Ronny Jr... wouldn't that only make sense?

Sure, feel free to add to my list and toss that on one, another odd thing is the fact she even stayed in the house after realizing Haleigh wasn't in it and the door was open, I think almost anyone else would have picked up the other child an running screaming to the neighbors in fear and called 911.......OOPS, just remembered another thin godd Ron didn't cal 911, Misty did (distancing himself away from the act), and when he does talk with them, he hangs up on them.

In the initial 911 call as soon as the call is picked up you can clearly hear Ron in the background (sounds outside to me) yell the name Haleigh.   When I hear that part of the call as in he just got home from work and Dumb B**** girlfriend is at fault and I hear him outside yelling for her, it tells the story to me and adds credence to his statement that he is looking for her at that time and just wants the cops to get there and look as well.  Also towards the end of this call in the background you hear other voices and him talking to them, so people did wake up or arrive immediatly after his cell phone calls to relatives and were looking as well.  Now if I had whacked her and than gone thru with calling 911 and all these witnesses showed up and are on the initial police report I would do that after I had made damn sure the body was well taken care of.  It's not distancing to me it's what men do best try to fix the problem: actually looking for Haleigh and as you can hear him in the background clearly during most of this call I would not say he did not participate.  Also in respect to Misty she clearly says in her interview "Why didn't they take me, I could have fought them"  She is not afraid of people or fighting......JMO and what I hear on the 911 call.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 01:00:04 PM
This is "prolly" nothing, but I'll ask it anyway. Does anyone find it odd that Ron is in a tent, or rather - now a camper, and not at his mom's multi bedroom home or some other friend or relative's house? It seems there's a reason and it doesn't strike me that the reason is that he's too emotionally tied to the exact area, the ground to leave.  I almost -  in the back burner of my foggy head - wonder if she's out there, close, and he's afraid to leave. IOW, if he leaves and he's somewhere else he'll be going crazy wondering if someone is getting "close" to finding her. This way he's there and knows where folks are and aren't.

Just recalling that Caylee was very close and wasn't found til... well... either Aug or Dec depending on how you regard the meter reader. Jon Benet was super super close (the basement) but she wasn't found exactly immediately. There are others. I hope she's alive, but what's the likely scenario for her being alive? That a ped took her and hasn't killed her yet? A horrible thought. That someone took her and sold her? Another horrible thought.

 Just thinking out loud.

Then there's that Occam's razor... the principle states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. IOW, whatever the simplest explanation is, is likely the correct one.

The intruder theory leaves too many things to chance for me and the flags go up for many weird things. The cinderblock propping, the turning on of the light, the leaving the door open, the NOT closing of the door upon seeing it "wide open," the not freaking out and thinking OMG could intuder still be here? Could be coming back let me lock the door, let me run grab BOTH kids oops one is missing but she seemed to know that it was Haleigh right off and not Jr. (from the blanket clip)

Then there's the past tense, "loved her" the "child's life back" comment and others,  the temper, the name calling, the anger, the over the top tears and angst, the short temper with reporters,  the flatout denial of true provable things, the history with LE and child services, the drug issues, the clearly enabling grandmother,.... on and on...



Myself, I'm not comfortable w/trying/convicting him before a variety of inconsistencies have been cleared up or evidence emerges. 

Also, when he said he'd look for her until ...blah, blah, blah I took it as a sentence he didn't finish because it was too repulsive a thought to be spoken aloud and he caught himself.

As re. the talk of abuse:  plenty of people are verbally abusive but never lift a hand to a spouse/live-in/child.  I still haven't seen evidence that he punched anyone out, let alone his daughter.  If you have evidence, I'd welcome seeing what so many of you all percieve.

I agree w/some things any number of posters have stated.  But imho, suggesting that he hauled his baby girl to some bridge (and did what?) 'cause he's a crane operator is more than a bit premature and in my mind not a whole lot different than what GR did to Ronald Cummings on that inflammatory and obviously biased broadcast.

Don't get me wrong--I'm more than a bit concerned about the whole mess.  I could go on and on about what I think about the personalities involved (and will :smt102), but this is not a Caylee case where one person had a documented history of deception etc., not to mention her grandmothers call to 911 that sad, sad day.

I know this is a place where folks hash out their ideas and suspcions.  I just think its early days yet to throw RC (the dad) under the bus--though I absolutely agree that in light of the lax supervision of his daughter, he fell way short of the mark and may well regret that lapse in judgement for the rest of his life. 

Foggy

About the verbal abuse and physical abuse correlation, I agree; Some people can be verbally abusive without being physically abusive. However, I don't think it's an impossible leap in logic for me to fathom or consider that a man who strikes a woman could possibly strike a child.   

Last night Craig Rivera mentioned a document (I'll look for a link) regarding Ron's violation of  an injunction for protection. Crystal had filed an injunction, but then dropped the charges which is not unheard of in cases with spouses/girlfriends. Of course, Craig Rivera could be lying on air, but that seems foolish since it's something that can be verified. Also, I realize that it's possible that Crystal could have filed a false claim against Ron; so I guess that goes to... do I believe her when I watch her talk about it. Yes, I believe her when she says Ron hit her. It's just an opinion of my impression of her. Additionally, Ron's threats, his temper, and Misty's fear are palpable IMO. Misty could be terrified of TV, but I get a different vibe from her that she's afraid of Ron in particular. That's just my take on it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 01:07:47 PM
Hey guys..I havent been on much lately..been in the hospital!!

But,I have been wanting to ask yall....what do you think of the way Hayleigh's bio mom threw the dad under the bus the other night on Geraldo? ::MonkeyEek::


I think she's beyond frustrated at the constant lies/inconsistencies, and if RC did tell Chad and Marcus he was 75% sure who had Haleigh and didn't tell LE due to his fear of exposure to his criminal activities~I'd not only throw him under the bus, I'd drive over him, bcak up and start again.

Lets' look at the inconsistencies

1) No one can remember where anyone was sleeping, this changes more than once

2) the pink shirt she was in was found in the dirty clothes basket, but earlier Misty said she was in jammies, then a pink shirt and tan shorts, then a pink shirt and undies.

3) the blanket clusterf@ck, too detailed to go into while I'm at work

4) Ron states two different times that her saw her last, once at 3:45 getting off the bus, and another around 10pm, he states he left Misty, Jr and Haleigh with all of them in bed under Misty's care

5) the bus stop.....Teresa (ron's mom) states that she got her off the bus, Ron states that he did

6) Who was at the house-Misty says brother, a/c man and nephews, then later adds cousin, grandma says she was there at 7pm that night so why doesn't Misty mention that was there that night

7)Ron's mom states there was a fight over the gun, RC states there was not

8)Ron states back door showed forced entry, LE states NO forced entry

9) Misty says Haleigh got up to go to the bathroom and then she states that she got up to go tot the bathroom and not Haleigh, then she is up getting a drink of water.

10)Ron states he's never even seen the cinder blocks, while LE states there are a stack of them int he back yard.

11) Misty changes her story from noticing the backdoor open and then realizing Haleigh is gone to realizing Haleigh is gone and then notices the back door open

12) she states she called 911 5 minutes after she noticed Haleigh missing, which should have been around 3:05 according to police report, but the call came in at 3:27 IIRc

13) Ron's work schedule was 3am -3pm, so why did he get Haleigh off the bus, was he late for work

14)Ron denies drug abuse, when he has clearly abused them and from some of the charges looks like he was a dealer..why lie about something anyone can find out.

There is more, but I'm at work and these are just from memory, so if you need the links later - I'll get them to you.

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

That's a great list islandmonkey! I haven't been following this case closely, and I'm getting educated here! You're a good teacher!  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks CBB~ I never thought any case would rival tha A's, but this one is a strong second for sure......
Excellent outline Islandmonkey.

Number  7) "Ron's mom states there was a fight over the gun, RC states there was not." He also said something to the effect of, "I don't know where all you people are getting these stories."

Um..... from your mom.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 01:10:33 PM
This is "prolly" nothing, but I'll ask it anyway. Does anyone find it odd that Ron is in a tent, or rather - now a camper, and not at his mom's multi bedroom home or some other friend or relative's house? It seems there's a reason and it doesn't strike me that the reason is that he's too emotionally tied to the exact area, the ground to leave.  I almost -  in the back burner of my foggy head - wonder if she's out there, close, and he's afraid to leave. IOW, if he leaves and he's somewhere else he'll be going crazy wondering if someone is getting "close" to finding her. This way he's there and knows where folks are and aren't.

Just recalling that Caylee was very close and wasn't found til... well... either Aug or Dec depending on how you regard the meter reader. Jon Benet was super super close (the basement) but she wasn't found exactly immediately. There are others. I hope she's alive, but what's the likely scenario for her being alive? That a ped took her and hasn't killed her yet? A horrible thought. That someone took her and sold her? Another horrible thought.

 Just thinking out loud.

Then there's that Occam's razor... the principle states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. IOW, whatever the simplest explanation is, is likely the correct one.

The intruder theory leaves too many things to chance for me and the flags go up for many weird things. The cinderblock propping, the turning on of the light, the leaving the door open, the NOT closing of the door upon seeing it "wide open," the not freaking out and thinking OMG could intuder still be here? Could be coming back let me lock the door, let me run grab BOTH kids oops one is missing but she seemed to know that it was Haleigh right off and not Jr. (from the blanket clip)

Then there's the past tense, "loved her" the "child's life back" comment and others,  the temper, the name calling, the anger, the over the top tears and angst, the short temper with reporters,  the flatout denial of true provable things, the history with LE and child services, the drug issues, the clearly enabling grandmother,.... on and on...



Myself, I'm not comfortable w/trying/convicting him before a variety of inconsistencies have been cleared up or evidence emerges. 

Also, when he said he'd look for her until ...blah, blah, blah I took it as a sentence he didn't finish because it was too repulsive a thought to be spoken aloud and he caught himself.

As re. the talk of abuse:  plenty of people are verbally abusive but never lift a hand to a spouse/live-in/child.  I still haven't seen evidence that he punched anyone out, let alone his daughter.  If you have evidence, I'd welcome seeing what so many of you all percieve.

I agree w/some things any number of posters have stated.  But imho, suggesting that he hauled his baby girl to some bridge (and did what?) 'cause he's a crane operator is more than a bit premature and in my mind not a whole lot different than what GR did to Ronald Cummings on that inflammatory and obviously biased broadcast.

Don't get me wrong--I'm more than a bit concerned about the whole mess.  I could go on and on about what I think about the personalities involved (and will :smt102), but this is not a Caylee case where one person had a documented history of deception etc., not to mention her grandmothers call to 911 that sad, sad day.

I know this is a place where folks hash out their ideas and suspcions.  I just think its early days yet to throw RC (the dad) under the bus--though I absolutely agree that in light of the lax supervision of his daughter, he fell way short of the mark and may well regret that lapse in judgement for the rest of his life. 

Foggy

About the verbal abuse and physical abuse correlation, I agree; Some people can be verbally abusive without being physically abusive. However, I don't think it's an impossible leap in logic for me to fathom or consider that a man who strikes a woman could possibly strike a child.   

Last night Craig Rivera mentioned a document (I'll look for a link) regarding Ron's violation of  an injunction for protection. Crystal had filed an injunction, but then dropped the charges which is not unheard of in cases with spouses/girlfriends. Of course, Craig Rivera could be lying on air, but that seems foolish since it's something that can be verified. Also, I realize that it's possible that Crystal could have filed a false claim against Ron; so I guess that goes to... do I believe her when I watch her talk about it. Yes, I believe her when she says Ron hit her. It's just an opinion of my impression of her. Additionally, Ron's threats, his temper, and Misty's fear are palpable IMO. Misty could be terrified of TV, but I get a different vibe from her that she's afraid of Ron in particular. That's just my take on it.

No Craig wasn't lying, that was in his arrest record in Sarasota County that I posted last night....basically, it was a restraining order he violated...

 
Criminal Case Details

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Defendant Name: CUMMINGS RONALD L
Date of Birth: 10/29/1983
Case Number: 2005 CF 017999 NC
Uniform Case Number: 582005CF0179990001NC
Clerk Filing Date: 9/29/2005
Defense Attorney: PUBLIC DEFENDER 
Judge:   


Scheduled Court Appearance(s):
Date Time Location Description


Charges:
Statute Code General Offense Character Statute Description Disposition Date Disposition
893.13(6A) Principal DRUGS POSSESS-CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION 10/18/2005 Dropped/Abandoned
893.13(6A) Principal DRUGS POSSESS-CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION 10/18/2005 Dropped/Abandoned
893.147(1) Principal NARCOTIC EQUIP POSSESS-AND OR USE 10/18/2005 Dropped/Abandoned
741.31 Principal VIOL INJUNCTION PROTECTION DOMESTIC VIOLENCE 10/18/2005  Dropped/Abandoned
499.03 Principal DRUGS-POSSESS NEW LEGEND DRUG WO PRESCRIPTION 10/18/2005 Dropped/Abandoned


Docket Information:
Date Description Pages Image
10/27/2005 COURT EVENT CANCELLED The following event: CRIMINAL - ARRAIGNMENT FELONY scheduled for 11/04/2005 at 9:00 am has been resulted as follows: Result: CANCELLED (Criminal) 0 None
10/27/2005 Payment of Court Cost 0 None
10/19/2005 ARREST BOND RECORD CREATED Ref: Bond/Pwr No.: 2005AA079210 Initial Charge #: 1 Initial Action Code: POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE(MORPHINE) Prosecutor Count #: 1 Prosecutor Action Code: POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE(MORPHINE) Bonding Co.: AA LARAZA BAIL BONDS Bond Amount: $5000 The following field(s) on arrest bond 1 have been modified: New Bond Status Added: BOND RELEASED New Bond Status Date Added: 10/18/2005  0 None
10/18/2005 NOTICE OF CASE DISPOSITION/ACTION-DECLINED 1 Image
10/5/2005 ARREST BOND RECORD CREATED Arrest Bond Added to Case with: Arrest Date: 09/26/2005 Initial Charge #: 1 Initial Action Code: POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE(MORPHINE) Prosecutor Count #: Prosecutor Action Code: Custody Location: Bond Status: Posted Status Date: 09/28/2005 Bond Type: Surety Bond/Pwr No.: 2005AA079210 Bond Amount: $5000 Bonding Co.: AA LARAZA BAIL BONDS Cash Depositor:  0 None
10/3/2005 Court Event Set Event: CRIMINAL - ARRAIGNMENT FELONY Date: 11/04/2005 Time: 9:00 am Judge: ROBERTS, CHARLES E Location: Courtroom 3-A Result: CANCELLED (Criminal) 0 None
9/29/2005 ADVISORY HEARING BOND 2 Image
9/29/2005 COPY OF DRIVERS LICENSE 1 Image
9/29/2005 EVIDENCE / PROPERTY RECEIPT 10 Image
9/29/2005 REPORT 2 Image
9/29/2005 PROBABLE CAUSE AFFIDAVIT (FHPF05OFF062270) 17 Image
9/29/2005 NOTICE TO APPEAR - CRIMINAL 1 Image
9/28/2005 INVOCATION OF CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS 1 Image
9/28/2005 INDIGENCY CIRCUIT CASE APPROVED Receipt: 422546 Date: 10/27/ 1 Image
9/28/2005 BOND - PAPER POWER # 2005-AA-07 3 Image
9/28/2005 DECISION TO DECLINE TO APPLY FOR THE SERVICES OF THE PUBLIC DEFENDER 1 Image


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 01:12:56 PM
Good Morning Everyone, Oh yeah, Good Afternoon! 

Maybe they are not clearing Misty and Ron because if it is a SO he may slip up, think hey the LE are looking at them so I don't need to worry so much.  Just a thought. 

Also LE held the Ramsey house forever it seemed as a crime scene, of course there was a body involved here.

I still have gotten no answers or speculation on Tapes/CD's that were seized from the home, does anyone know what these could be??? 
Yes, I was wondering about the tapes/CDs also. It seems we heard a mention of them and then nothing more. I wasn't even clear on whether it was video tape or answering machine tape  or what (Altho aren't answering machine "tapes" sort of obsolete now?) . ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 01:26:30 PM
Thank you for the link on the injunction that I was referring to, Islandmonkey.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 01:35:27 PM
Thank you for the link on the injunction that I was referring to, Islandmonkey.



Anytime.........but I forgot the link:

http://courtweb.co.sarasota.fl.us/crimapp/crimdetail.asp?case_id=44204608


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pharlap on February 23, 2009, 01:38:26 PM
OT..
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l145/pharlap_9999/angel-wings-1-1.jpg

Sean Krause has passed away...
True Crime Community Mourns Loss of Writer Sean Krause

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 01:42:00 PM
Nice job IM ::MonkeyDance:: . May I also add something odd? At no time did Misty say she then when to check on Ronny Jr... wouldn't that only make sense?

Sure, feel free to add to my list and toss that on one, another odd thing is the fact she even stayed in the house after realizing Haleigh wasn't in it and the door was open, I think almost anyone else would have picked up the other child an running screaming to the neighbors in fear and called 911.......OOPS, just remembered another thin godd Ron didn't cal 911, Misty did (distancing himself away from the act), and when he does talk with them, he hangs up on them.

In the initial 911 call as soon as the call is picked up you can clearly hear Ron in the background (sounds outside to me) yell the name Haleigh.   When I hear that part of the call as in he just got home from work and Dumb B**** girlfriend is at fault and I hear him outside yelling for her, it tells the story to me and adds credence to his statement that he is looking for her at that time and just wants the cops to get there and look as well.  Also towards the end of this call in the background you hear other voices and him talking to them, so people did wake up or arrive immediatly after his cell phone calls to relatives and were looking as well.  Now if I had whacked her and than gone thru with calling 911 and all these witnesses showed up and are on the initial police report I would do that after I had made damn sure the body was well taken care of.  It's not distancing to me it's what men do best try to fix the problem: actually looking for Haleigh and as you can hear him in the background clearly during most of this call I would not say he did not participate.  Also in respect to Misty she clearly says in her interview "Why didn't they take me, I could have fought them"  She is not afraid of people or fighting......JMO and what I hear on the 911 call.

See, I've listened to that tape over and over and it sounded to me like he was in the house yelling, not outside, now we know he was outside in the driveway when the LE arrived, but I don't recall hearing him outside, just in the house cursing the 911 operator and Misty.

I agree about making the 911 calls and the fat the body would have to be well hidden, but when you consider we don't really know when she was last seen, that could easily have already been accomplished. I disagree with you about Misty, she had no fear on the 911 call of anything other than Ron, she didn't really sound all that worried about Haleigh IMO, it's easy to say "why didn't they take me in an interview", but that's talk so I take it FWIW.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 23, 2009, 01:48:30 PM
Good Morning Everyone, Oh yeah, Good Afternoon! 

Maybe they are not clearing Misty and Ron because if it is a SO he may slip up, think hey the LE are looking at them so I don't need to worry so much.  Just a thought. 

Also LE held the Ramsey house forever it seemed as a crime scene, of course there was a body involved here.

I still have gotten no answers or speculation on Tapes/CD's that were seized from the home, does anyone know what these could be??? 
Yes, I was wondering about the tapes/CDs also. It seems we heard a mention of them and then nothing more. I wasn't even clear on whether it was video tape or answering machine tape  or what (Altho aren't answering machine "tapes" sort of obsolete now?) . ::MonkeyCool::


I have talk to some people who new drug users to use the lids of the cd's tape to snort the drugs also put the drugs in cd tapes in small plactic bags.... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 01:58:30 PM
Good Morning Everyone, Oh yeah, Good Afternoon! 

Maybe they are not clearing Misty and Ron because if it is a SO he may slip up, think hey the LE are looking at them so I don't need to worry so much.  Just a thought. 

Also LE held the Ramsey house forever it seemed as a crime scene, of course there was a body involved here.

I still have gotten no answers or speculation on Tapes/CD's that were seized from the home, does anyone know what these could be??? 
Yes, I was wondering about the tapes/CDs also. It seems we heard a mention of them and then nothing more. I wasn't even clear on whether it was video tape or answering machine tape  or what (Altho aren't answering machine "tapes" sort of obsolete now?) . ::MonkeyCool::


I have talk to some people who new drug users to use the lids of the cd's tape to snort the drugs also put the drugs in cd tapes in small plactic bags.... ::MonkeyTongue::

I could ask my brother... ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 23, 2009, 01:59:35 PM
Good Morning Everyone, Oh yeah, Good Afternoon! 

Maybe they are not clearing Misty and Ron because if it is a SO he may slip up, think hey the LE are looking at them so I don't need to worry so much.  Just a thought. 

Also LE held the Ramsey house forever it seemed as a crime scene, of course there was a body involved here.

I still have gotten no answers or speculation on Tapes/CD's that were seized from the home, does anyone know what these could be??? 
Yes, I was wondering about the tapes/CDs also. It seems we heard a mention of them and then nothing more. I wasn't even clear on whether it was video tape or answering machine tape  or what (Altho aren't answering machine "tapes" sort of obsolete now?) . ::MonkeyCool::


I have talk to some people who new drug users to use the lids of the cd's tape to snort the drugs also put the drugs in cd tapes in small plactic bags.... ::MonkeyTongue::
Thanks for that info, never heard that before. I also think Ron is in the tent instead of his mother's house to make him look better in the public's eye, oh look he is staying close to the trailer, he is heartbroken. And maybe he is heartbroken I have no idea, just a thought I had about being in the tent, besides the obvious of not missing any activity that may be going on around the trailer or inside by LE.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 23, 2009, 02:02:03 PM
I found this on the internet...

Teens usually don’t want their parents knowing that they’re into drugs – so they come up with some crafty places to conceal a bag of weed, a bottle of vodka or Ecstasy pills, etc. Here’s a short list of some possible hiding spots:
 Dresser drawers beneath or between clothes
 Desk drawers
 CD/DVD/Tape/Video cases
 Small boxes – jewelry, pencil, etc.
 Backpacks/duffle bags
 Under a bed
 In a plant, buried in the dirt
 In between books on a bookshelf
 Inside books with pages cut out
 Makeup cases – inside fake lipstick tubes or compacts
 Under a loose plank in floor boards
 Inside over-the-counter medicine containers(Tylenol, Advil, etc)
 Inside empty candy bags such as M&Ms or Skittles


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 23, 2009, 02:06:39 PM
Dr Phil ...Check your child's vehicle after a Friday or Saturday night.
If they were smoking in their vehicle, you can usually smell a strange odor coming out of it. Check for small pieces of joints — green leaf-like particles or seeds on the floorboards or seats. Look for white pasty substances on CDs, CD cases, dashboards, pictures, or mirrors, that they might be doing drugs off of.
 site...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 02:07:48 PM
See, I've listened to that tape over and over and it sounded to me like he was in the house yelling, not outside, now we know he was outside in the driveway when the LE arrived, but I don't recall hearing him outside, just in the house cursing the 911 operator and Misty.

I agree about making the 911 calls and the fat the body would have to be well hidden, but when you consider we don't really know when she was last seen, that could easily have already been accomplished. I disagree with you about Misty, she had no fear on the 911 call of anything other than Ron, she didn't really sound all that worried about Haleigh IMO, it's easy to say "why didn't they take me in an interview", but that's talk so I take it FWIW.

Yes, and why did Misty seem to jump to it is Haleigh that is missing and not Jr? or both? I'm thankful that Jr is safe, of course, but it's odd that she seemed to jump right to Haleigh. There are sick people who take little boys too and upon finding a door "wide open" in the night I would be in fear for both children and wonder... is the person still in the house? Is he gone, but coming back? OMG etc.... We didn't get that according to her account.

But to leave the door open? Seems odd to me... like it was left open b/c it was meant to be seen open. Couldn't they just tell police that it was found open and she was terrified so she closed and locked it? NO, in my opinoin, they wanted LE to SEE it "wide open."

Also, the lock is too high for the kids, right?  And Haleigh is afraid of the dark, so her wondering out by herself is unlikely to me; so upon  arriving on that scene in the home at night, it seems like "intruder" is the first likely thought to race thru the minds; Altho everyone is different. Unless Ron could be coming home and using that door; but they said that they "never" use that door except to carry out the vacuum for washing the car, not for routine coming and going.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 02:11:28 PM
**snort** sorry I meant WANDERING out not wondering. Spell check doesn't catch all my goofs that are actiual words.  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Mere on February 23, 2009, 02:18:29 PM
I have tried to think what I would do if I woke up and found a child missing....

The door was propped open....I would be terrified....is the person still in my house....or has the person left and I need to secure the place again.  I could take Jr. and run to neighbors house.  Have neighbors call 911, call dad, help look for haleigh in the area.....or if I thought the house was safe....I would close and lock door, call 911, call dad, call my family...while watching over junior.  But....I would never leave door open and wait for dad to arrive from work....how do I know when he will be home....and how do I know what is happening to that child....

This is one of the most worrisome issues to me about that first night....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 23, 2009, 02:32:33 PM
OT..
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l145/pharlap_9999/angel-wings-1-1.jpg

Sean Krause has passed away...
True Crime Community Mourns Loss of Writer Sean Krause

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/


I knew he was sick but I didn't realize how sick he was, may he RIP.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 23, 2009, 02:33:44 PM
I have tried to think what I would do if I woke up and found a child missing....

The door was propped open....I would be terrified....is the person still in my house....or has the person left and I need to secure the place again.  I could take Jr. and run to neighbors house.  Have neighbors call 911, call dad, help look for haleigh in the area.....or if I thought the house was safe....I would close and lock door, call 911, call dad, call my family...while watching over junior.  But....I would never leave door open and wait for dad to arrive from work....how do I know when he will be home....and how do I know what is happening to that child....

This is one of the most worrisome issues to me about that first night....

Yes Mere, things just don't seem right.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 02:40:47 PM
Nice job IM ::MonkeyDance:: . May I also add something odd? At no time did Misty say she then when to check on Ronny Jr... wouldn't that only make sense?
Makes sense and should be number 15 on IM's list. . ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 02:44:33 PM
OT..
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l145/pharlap_9999/angel-wings-1-1.jpg

Sean Krause has passed away...
True Crime Community Mourns Loss of Writer Sean Krause

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/


I knew he was sick but I didn't realize how sick he was, may he RIP.

Gone too soon and he'll be missed. Bless his heart.





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 23, 2009, 02:46:15 PM
 In regards to Misty's actions upon finding Haleigh missing, Remember when Kate McCann found that Madeleine was missing, she left the twins in the room and went yelling to the others that someone had taken Madeleine...she would not have known that the perp was still there and yet she left them alone...I think in fear and panic, the first impulse is to run for help?
I don't know why Misty did not call the police right away upon finding Haleigh missing and the door open...

Also, when there is a call for domestic abuse, does that always mean that there was physical attack? or could it be a threat?  I thought that I heard  on one of the cop shows...even if there is no apparent proof of abuse, someone has to get arrested when police investigate a call for domestic abuse...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 03:00:59 PM
In regards to Misty's actions upon finding Haleigh missing, Remember when Kate McCann found that Madeleine was missing, she left the twins in the room and went yelling to the others that someone had taken Madeleine...she would not have known that the perp was still there and yet she left them alone...I think in fear and panic, the first impulse is to run for help?
I don't know why Misty did not call the police right away upon finding Haleigh missing and the door open...

Also, when there is a call for domestic abuse, does that always mean that there was physical attack? or could it be a threat?  I thought that I heard  on one of the cop shows...even if there is no apparent proof of abuse, someone has to get arrested when police investigate a call for domestic abuse...

I can address that one from personal experience....NO, I had to call the cops on my ex when I pizzed him off and I went to bed, he wanted me to stay up and fight some more with him, my daughter was at her dad's house so I went into her room and locked the door and put a chair under it, he rammed it his shoulder into it so hard it broke the chair and the lock, but when LE got there, they didn't arrest him, they just told me I needed to get a good divorce atty, and I did...........after conflicting all the others out ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 03:11:34 PM
I have tried to think what I would do if I woke up and found a child missing....

The door was propped open....I would be terrified....is the person still in my house....or has the person left and I need to secure the place again.  I could take Jr. and run to neighbors house.  Have neighbors call 911, call dad, help look for haleigh in the area.....or if I thought the house was safe....I would close and lock door, call 911, call dad, call my family...while watching over junior.  But....I would never leave door open and wait for dad to arrive from work....how do I know when he will be home....and how do I know what is happening to that child....

This is one of the most worrisome issues to me about that first night....

Yes Mere, things just don't seem right.

True that; Things don't seem right.

When they finally did  call 911, the record shows that the call came in at 3:27 am - I believe it was - and the officers were dispatched at 3:28 am (even tho the actual call went on longer while waiting for officers to get there)  I can't help but think about those minutes that were lost and that those are some of the most important minutes in an abduction. They could have possibly been hot on a trail if she's indeed missing by abduction. I know Misty's "only 17," but that's so tragic that there was any delay. Those minutes keep going over and over in my head. Why wait? She's 17, not 10.

I know sometimes some people have unpleasant experiences with LE so they're reluctant or even afraid to call; But Ron denies all the problems reagarding illegal activity in the home, so I don't see why Misty would hesitate unless she was possibly concerned about the implications having to do with her age and the age difference b/w them; (b/w her and Ron, I mean) But that's clearly not the priority when a child is missing and possibly in danger. Or perhaps they or she felt they had to flush something, but with a child gone.... wow.... I just can't fathom that. That would be blatantly putting yourself before the child's welfare and maybe her life... in those precious first moments when a child is taken, if she was taken by an intruder.

As a longtime lurker, I've read many threads, almost all of this thread and most of the other one onn Haleigh and I do recall the subject of a Misty and the phone being discussed, but I can't recall the conclusion everyone here came to. 

Was it decided that she had a land line? or cell phone? Did she call Ron once just as he was "driving up to the house?" I need to search for a link b/c I also read somewhere that LE was checking on possible multiple calls made to Ron in those early hours, but it was unclear (to me) whether the calls were from Misty. I know they had cell phone pings and call logs up the wazoo for Casey Anthony, but that's something I've wondered a lot about in this case too.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Puzzler on February 23, 2009, 03:11:41 PM
Hey guys..I havent been on much lately..been in the hospital!!

But,I have been wanting to ask yall....what do you think of the way Hayleigh's bio mom threw the dad under the bus the other night on Geraldo? ::MonkeyEek::


I think she's beyond frustrated at the constant lies/inconsistencies, and if RC did tell Chad and Marcus he was 75% sure who had Haleigh and didn't tell LE due to his fear of exposure to his criminal activities~I'd not only throw him under the bus, I'd drive over him, bcak up and start again.

Lets' look at the inconsistencies

1) No one can remember where anyone was sleeping, this changes more than once

2) the pink shirt she was in was found in the dirty clothes basket, but earlier Misty said she was in jammies, then a pink shirt and tan shorts, then a pink shirt and undies.

3) the blanket clusterf@ck, too detailed to go into while I'm at work

4) Ron states two different times that her saw her last, once at 3:45 getting off the bus, and another around 10pm, he states he left Misty, Jr and Haleigh with all of them in bed under Misty's care

5) the bus stop.....Teresa (ron's mom) states that she got her off the bus, Ron states that he did

6) Who was at the house-Misty says brother, a/c man and nephews, then later adds cousin, grandma says she was there at 7pm that night so why doesn't Misty mention that was there that night

7)Ron's mom states there was a fight over the gun, RC states there was not

8)Ron states back door showed forced entry, LE states NO forced entry

9) Misty says Haleigh got up to go to the bathroom and then she states that she got up to go tot the bathroom and not Haleigh, then she is up getting a drink of water.

10)Ron states he's never even seen the cinder blocks, while LE states there are a stack of them int he back yard.

11) Misty changes her story from noticing the backdoor open and then realizing Haleigh is gone to realizing Haleigh is gone and then notices the back door open

12) she states she called 911 5 minutes after she noticed Haleigh missing, which should have been around 3:05 according to police report, but the call came in at 3:27 IIRc

13) Ron's work schedule was 3am -3pm, so why did he get Haleigh off the bus, was he late for work

14)Ron denies drug abuse, when he has clearly abused them and from some of the charges looks like he was a dealer..why lie about something anyone can find out.

There is more, but I'm at work and these are just from memory, so if you need the links later - I'll get them to you.

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

Great list.
BTW, nikkibnurse hope your recovering ok.......... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Well, I tend to believe LE's statements and records before believing Ron.  I believe the father runs loose with the truth.  No wonder LE has not ruled anyone out yet.





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 03:17:59 PM
I have tried to think what I would do if I woke up and found a child missing....

The door was propped open....I would be terrified....is the person still in my house....or has the person left and I need to secure the place again.  I could take Jr. and run to neighbors house.  Have neighbors call 911, call dad, help look for haleigh in the area.....or if I thought the house was safe....I would close and lock door, call 911, call dad, call my family...while watching over junior.  But....I would never leave door open and wait for dad to arrive from work....how do I know when he will be home....and how do I know what is happening to that child....

This is one of the most worrisome issues to me about that first night....

Yes Mere, things just don't seem right.

yes, I here what you guys are saying about Junior, but from my perspective why would she mention Junior?  All we know is what she says on the 911 call and on this interview in regards to what took place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl4PUY6o_E

If she saw Junior there and he was fine, why would she mention him in the 911 or in the interview; the missing child is Haleigh not Junior.  I guess I just see that part differently from some of you.  The focus of the call, the interview, and everything is Haleigh not Junior.

In regards to running and leaving the house, ok she says she woke up at 3 doesn't know the minutes just saw 3 on the clock, so we are merely speculating on the time she actually woke up, went towards the kitchen, saw kitchen light on back door open, went back to bedroom, saw Haleigh gone and probably w/out saying saw Junior in the bed than went and possibly checked other area's than called Ron, Ron in driveway yelling to call 911 and so on from there.

As to being terrified, I wouldn't be, my concern would be the missing child regardless of who was in the house, just as you guys are worrying about Junior's where abouts, I'd say the assumption was they knew where Junior was. There just are too many unknown's to read stuff into it at this point for me.

Maybe I work things backwards,  I do not add emotion to what I think in regards to the characters, just look at the case and what is said or done, actions taken by the people, than later add in the feelings of the characters.   Of course you see fear in all these people a 5 yr old child is missing, alledgedly taken from her bed in the middle of the night with the door left open in a locked home and you are in the spot light, under examination, talking to LE about every little thing you have done in your life, all under a microscope, stuff from your past, that you might be done with and have gone on.  Of course there is fear in everyone's eyes a little girl is gone no matter who did it, not all parties know what happened, maybe none of them do and they all have fear in their eyes,  so of course there is fear and screw ups a little girl is gone.  I would have already peed my pants, had a stomping crying jag, beat the crap out of jeraldo and misty, but hey that's where my emotions would have taken me and I'm sure you guys would of classified me as guilty from day one also. JMO

this uncut 911 call at the very beginning you can hear Ron in the background yelling for Haleigh.  There are many versions on the net, they are not all the same, some have been cut to highlight stuff.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-911-call-haleigh-cummings-mp3,0,6010039.mp3file


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 03:28:35 PM
In regards to Misty's actions upon finding Haleigh missing, Remember when Kate McCann found that Madeleine was missing, she left the twins in the room and went yelling to the others that someone had taken Madeleine...she would not have known that the perp was still there and yet she left them alone...I think in fear and panic, the first impulse is to run for help?
I don't know why Misty did not call the police right away upon finding Haleigh missing and the door open...

Also, when there is a call for domestic abuse, does that always mean that there was physical attack? or could it be a threat?  I thought that I heard  on one of the cop shows...even if there is no apparent proof of abuse, someone has to get arrested when police investigate a call for domestic abuse...
Those are both interesting points. I'm not a lawyer, but for example, I understood the threat part or attempt to cause injury as being the "assault;" and the "battery" part as being the actual touching, physical contact or injury.

Also, comparisons with other cases may not  qualify as "proof" b/c people say that there's no "right" way to panic or grieve etc, but to me, the different case comparisons are interesting and helpful and give an idea (for comparison) of what's typical or common in certain situations. Obviously I don't want to generalize b/c specific details would warrant different responses. For example, if Ron and Misty knew Haleigh to be a wanderer or a sleep walker and not afraid of the dark, seeing an open door in the night would likely make one think, "Oh there she goes again, sleep walking" and to go over and look outside for her. (I know that wasn't the case here - just an example)



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 03:37:43 PM
I have tried to think what I would do if I woke up and found a child missing....

The door was propped open....I would be terrified....is the person still in my house....or has the person left and I need to secure the place again.  I could take Jr. and run to neighbors house.  Have neighbors call 911, call dad, help look for haleigh in the area.....or if I thought the house was safe....I would close and lock door, call 911, call dad, call my family...while watching over junior.  But....I would never leave door open and wait for dad to arrive from work....how do I know when he will be home....and how do I know what is happening to that child....

This is one of the most worrisome issues to me about that first night....

Yes Mere, things just don't seem right.

yes, I here what you guys are saying about Junior, but from my perspective why would she mention Junior?  All we know is what she says on the 911 call and on this interview in regards to what took place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl4PUY6o_E

If she saw Junior there and he was fine, why would she mention him in the 911 or in the interview; the missing child is Haleigh not Junior.  I guess I just see that part differently from some of you.  The focus of the call, the interview, and everything is Haleigh not Junior.

In regards to running and leaving the house, ok she says she woke up at 3 doesn't know the minutes just saw 3 on the clock, so we are merely speculating on the time she actually woke up, went towards the kitchen, saw kitchen light on back door open, went back to bedroom, saw Haleigh gone and probably w/out saying saw Junior in the bed than went and possibly checked other area's than called Ron, Ron in driveway yelling to call 911 and so on from there.

As to being terrified, I wouldn't be, my concern would be the missing child regardless of who was in the house, just as you guys are worrying about Junior's where abouts, I'd say the assumption was they knew where Junior was. There just are too many unknown's to read stuff into it at this point for me.

Maybe I work things backwards,  I do not add emotion to what I think in regards to the characters, just look at the case and what is said or done, actions taken by the people, than later add in the feelings of the characters.   Of course you see fear in all these people a 5 yr old child is missing, alledgedly taken from her bed in the middle of the night with the door left open in a locked home and you are in the spot light, under examination, talking to LE about every little thing you have done in your life, all under a microscope, stuff from your past, that you might be done with and have gone on.  Of course there is fear in everyone's eyes a little girl is gone no matter who did it, not all parties know what happened, maybe none of them do and they all have fear in their eyes,  so of course there is fear and screw ups a little girl is gone. 

I would have already peed my pants, had a stomping crying jag, beat the crap out of jeraldo and misty, but hey that's where my emotions would have taken me and I'm sure you guys would of classified me as guilty from day one also. JMO

this uncut 911 call at the very beginning you can hear Ron in the background yelling for Haleigh.  There are many versions on the net, they are not all the same, some have been cut to highlight stuff.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-911-call-haleigh-cummings-mp3,0,6010039.mp3file
I can't speak for the others, but I'm guessing that it's not just emotion on which folks are basing their point of view. For me it's a combination of words, behavior, how the bits of the story aren't adding up  for me, the inconsistencies, the flatout lies and denials of known events or incidents, the timing, many things other than fear, or any other emotion, or isolated action by itself.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 03:39:04 PM
In regards to Misty's actions upon finding Haleigh missing, Remember when Kate McCann found that Madeleine was missing, she left the twins in the room and went yelling to the others that someone had taken Madeleine...she would not have known that the perp was still there and yet she left them alone...I think in fear and panic, the first impulse is to run for help?
I don't know why Misty did not call the police right away upon finding Haleigh missing and the door open...

Also, when there is a call for domestic abuse, does that always mean that there was physical attack? or could it be a threat?  I thought that I heard  on one of the cop shows...even if there is no apparent proof of abuse, someone has to get arrested when police investigate a call for domestic abuse...

In my state an arrest is made, my neighbor did the walk of shame last yr after threatening his wife, the sheriff walked him out in cuffs and the other sheriff followed w/all his guns.  He's a verbal abuser, very nasty, he does not talk to me the way he talks to his wife gives me all the respect in the world, she says nothing to him when he curses her out right in front of god and all present, I on the other hand would give it back, he knows that, they know, these guys know who will take their crap and who won't. She's back w/him, they've been together so long now.... I don't get it.  Never any physical crap, but I've been here 10+ yrs with them and always the same old crap, talks the same way to his daughter, but she gives it back to him.  And I say good for her and cheer her on when I hear it as he just smiles and laughs cause he knows she(his daughter) will not tolerate the verbal abuse.  If you dish it out you better be prepared to take it back.  The chain has been broken.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 23, 2009, 03:40:51 PM
I only pointed out the situation of Kate McCann and what she did as an example of one case...everyone of course would/could react differently...there was some discussion on here about leaving the door open when Misty did not know if the perp was still around or not etc....not really doing a comparision...


Crystal said in regards to Ronald back handing Haleigh that her cousin Candace said that Haleigh either bumped into Ron or smarted off to him and she fell flat on her face...If the cousin saw it happen, wouldn't she have known which one it was, that she bumped him or smarted off to him? Also, did anyone step in at that time on behalf of the child being struck like that? Why wasn't Crystal told about this when it happened instead of recently after Haleigh went missing? When Geraldo was in Rons face about this, I think that Ron was telling the truth in that he has not back handed Haleigh...
there are too many questions on both families I think...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 03:40:51 PM
I have tried to think what I would do if I woke up and found a child missing....

The door was propped open....I would be terrified....is the person still in my house....or has the person left and I need to secure the place again.  I could take Jr. and run to neighbors house.  Have neighbors call 911, call dad, help look for haleigh in the area.....or if I thought the house was safe....I would close and lock door, call 911, call dad, call my family...while watching over junior.  But....I would never leave door open and wait for dad to arrive from work....how do I know when he will be home....and how do I know what is happening to that child....

This is one of the most worrisome issues to me about that first night....

Yes Mere, things just don't seem right.

yes, I here what you guys are saying about Junior, but from my perspective why would she mention Junior?  All we know is what she says on the 911 call and on this interview in regards to what took place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl4PUY6o_E

If she saw Junior there and he was fine, why would she mention him in the 911 or in the interview; the missing child is Haleigh not Junior.  I guess I just see that part differently from some of you.  The focus of the call, the interview, and everything is Haleigh not Junior.

In regards to running and leaving the house, ok she says she woke up at 3 doesn't know the minutes just saw 3 on the clock, so we are merely speculating on the time she actually woke up, went towards the kitchen, saw kitchen light on back door open, went back to bedroom, saw Haleigh gone and probably w/out saying saw Junior in the bed than went and possibly checked other area's than called Ron, Ron in driveway yelling to call 911 and so on from there.

As to being terrified, I wouldn't be, my concern would be the missing child regardless of who was in the house, just as you guys are worrying about Junior's where abouts, I'd say the assumption was they knew where Junior was. There just are too many unknown's to read stuff into it at this point for me.

Maybe I work things backwards,  I do not add emotion to what I think in regards to the characters, just look at the case and what is said or done, actions taken by the people, than later add in the feelings of the characters.   Of course you see fear in all these people a 5 yr old child is missing, alledgedly taken from her bed in the middle of the night with the door left open in a locked home and you are in the spot light, under examination, talking to LE about every little thing you have done in your life, all under a microscope, stuff from your past, that you might be done with and have gone on.  Of course there is fear in everyone's eyes a little girl is gone no matter who did it, not all parties know what happened, maybe none of them do and they all have fear in their eyes,  so of course there is fear and screw ups a little girl is gone.  I would have already peed my pants, had a stomping crying jag, beat the crap out of jeraldo and misty, but hey that's where my emotions would have taken me and I'm sure you guys would of classified me as guilty from day one also. JMO

this uncut 911 call at the very beginning you can hear Ron in the background yelling for Haleigh.  There are many versions on the net, they are not all the same, some have been cut to highlight stuff.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-911-call-haleigh-cummings-mp3,0,6010039.mp3file

I don't hear it in this one....I here him telling her to tell them to come on and all the rest of it, but not yelling for her outside. Is there another one you can hear it better in?

OMG~ I just noticed he sounds robotic when he first starts talking to the 911 operator.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 03:42:25 PM
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/23/amber_alert__haleigh_reward_upped_to_20000.html

I don't know if this article has been posted.  So now the SO cousin Joe is a known sex offendor???  When did that come about?  I thought he didn't have a record?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 03:49:07 PM
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/23/amber_alert__haleigh_reward_upped_to_20000.html

I don't know if this article has been posted.  So now the SO cousin Joe is a known sex offendor???  When did that come about?  I thought he didn't have a record?

His name is Joe Overstreet~but, I don't see him in the TN database........


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 23, 2009, 03:49:12 PM
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/23/amber_alert__haleigh_reward_upped_to_20000.html

I don't know if this article has been posted.  So now the SO cousin Joe is a known sex offendor???  When did that come about?  I thought he didn't have a record?

fatcat....It is hard to keep up isnt' it???


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 03:52:37 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-911-call-haleigh-cummings-mp3,0,6010039.mp3file

It's at the very beginning in the background, before 911 even picks up, if you can't hear it than you probably won't hear it, no offense intended, you may not be able to hear it from your speakers?  I've heard it and hear it clearly it sounds as tho he is outside cause he is yelling Hay-lee, that's the way it sounds in his country accent.

And not to argue w/ you or anything, but Ron Cummings is anything but Robotic, he's practically vibrating w/emotion everytime I see/hear him.  Do you mean he snaps off his responses to 911 like a cadence?  A rap?  He talks country to me, nascar talk to me with a hint of black rap.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 03:54:02 PM
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/23/amber_alert__haleigh_reward_upped_to_20000.html

I don't know if this article has been posted.  So now the SO cousin Joe is a known sex offendor???  When did that come about?  I thought he didn't have a record?

His name is Joe Overstreet~but, I don't see him in the TN database........

I know and is it just me or does the article make it out like LE is saying he is a known offendor?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 03:56:59 PM
http://www.wesh.com/news/18768154/detail.html

This article talks about why LE is still in the house/trailer.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 03:58:32 PM
A former FBI profiler said the search for Haleigh is a two-track investigation.

Appearing on the "Today" show Saturday morning, Clint Van Zandt said track one is taking investigators outside of the house and looking into whether a stranger took Haleigh. But Van Zandt said track two is keeping authorities inside the house.

"One family member said a fight had taken place between Ron, the biological father, and Joe, the cousin, where Ron says, 'No, that didn't take place,'" Van Zandt said. "Evidently a gun disappeared from the house and it was found in a ditch later."

Van Zandt said, typically, investigators try to rule out immediate family as suspects first before branching outside of the home. But he said, in this case, it appears that authorities are looking at both at the same time.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 04:01:53 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-911-call-haleigh-cummings-mp3,0,6010039.mp3file

It's at the very beginning in the background, before 911 even picks up, if you can't hear it than you probably won't hear it, no offense intended, you may not be able to hear it from your speakers?  I've heard it and hear it clearly it sounds as tho he is outside cause he is yelling Hay-lee, that's the way it sounds in his country accent.

And not to argue w/ you or anything, but Ron Cummings is anything but Robotic, he's practically vibrating w/emotion everytime I see/hear him.  Do you mean he snaps off his responses to 911 like a cadence?  A rap?  He talks country to me, nascar talk to me with a hint of black rap.

 ::MonkeyLaugh::  LMAO~ I've never heard that before, Nascar with a hint of black rap....my son would love that expression ::MonkeyTongue:: I'm talking about the VERY first time he talks to the 911 operator, I Just got home etc......maybe cadence is a better word, either work for me.......


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 04:05:12 PM
Random thoughts on the web on Misty:

You said "misty really isn't dumb like some think"

In the article where she talked about herself to the media. She said she's a city girl and doesn't really like the country. She's a city girl and I think she might be a bit more savvy than we are giving her credit for being.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 04:15:50 PM
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/23/amber_alert__haleigh_reward_upped_to_20000.html

I don't know if this article has been posted.  So now the SO cousin Joe is a known sex offendor???  When did that come about?  I thought he didn't have a record?

His name is Joe Overstreet~but, I don't see him in the TN database........

I know and is it just me or does the article make it out like LE is saying he is a known offendor?

It certainly makes it sound that way-alludes to it anyway.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 04:17:10 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-911-call-haleigh-cummings-mp3,0,6010039.mp3file

It's at the very beginning in the background, before 911 even picks up, if you can't hear it than you probably won't hear it, no offense intended, you may not be able to hear it from your speakers?  I've heard it and hear it clearly it sounds as tho he is outside cause he is yelling Hay-lee, that's the way it sounds in his country accent.

And not to argue w/ you or anything, but Ron Cummings is anything but Robotic, he's practically vibrating w/emotion everytime I see/hear him.  Do you mean he snaps off his responses to 911 like a cadence?  A rap?  He talks country to me, nascar talk to me with a hint of black rap.

 ::MonkeyLaugh::  LMAO~ I've never heard that before, Nascar with a hint of black rap....my son would love that expression ::MonkeyTongue:: I'm talking about the VERY first time he talks to the 911 operator, I Just got home etc......maybe cadence is a better word, either work for me.......

I'm right outside of Washington DC and grew up in Calvert County aka "The Country part of Maryland"  so that's how I read the way he talks.  Funny I know, but a mix that fits in polite terms.  He sounds exactly like my nascar lovin brother from the country in Calvert County tryin to be DC hip.   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 04:18:28 PM
Random thoughts on the web on Misty:

You said "misty really isn't dumb like some think"

In the article where she talked about herself to the media. She said she's a city girl and doesn't really like the country. She's a city girl and I think she might be a bit more savvy than we are giving her credit for being.

I have been getting that feeling about her for the past couple of days, something in the way she walks out of the police office, an air of defiance......crazy like a fox ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Scarrlett on February 23, 2009, 04:18:38 PM
Random thoughts on the web on Misty:

You said "misty really isn't dumb like some think"

In the article where she talked about herself to the media. She said she's a city girl and doesn't really like the country. She's a city girl and I think she might be a bit more savvy than we are giving her credit for being.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 04:24:47 PM
http://chattahbox.com/us/2009/02/23/missing-five-year-old-taken-by-pedophile-family-acquaintance/

Police admit that a sexual predator is in custody, and that a car was apprehended in the arrest, but they have given no further details.

where did this article come from?  Man arrested and vehicle taken?   I'm lookin further.  I think the media is screwing this story up big time.  Maybe.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 23, 2009, 04:32:45 PM
A former FBI profiler said the search for Haleigh is a two-track investigation.

Appearing on the "Today" show Saturday morning, Clint Van Zandt said track one is taking investigators outside of the house and looking into whether a stranger took Haleigh. But Van Zandt said track two is keeping authorities inside the house.

"One family member said a fight had taken place between Ron, the biological father, and Joe, the cousin, where Ron says, 'No, that didn't take place,'" Van Zandt said. "Evidently a gun disappeared from the house and it was found in a ditch later."

Van Zandt said, typically, investigators try to rule out immediate family as suspects first before branching outside of the home. But he said, in this case, it appears that authorities are looking at both at the same time.
Thanks, I really like Clint Van Zandt, very interesting.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 23, 2009, 04:35:03 PM
Capp over in the Caylee forum just posted that HLN is going to be talking about Ron having a press conf, because he is fuming about the allegations said about him, I'm assuming from Geraldo.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 04:35:56 PM
A former FBI profiler said the search for Haleigh is a two-track investigation.

Appearing on the "Today" show Saturday morning, Clint Van Zandt said track one is taking investigators outside of the house and looking into whether a stranger took Haleigh. But Van Zandt said track two is keeping authorities inside the house.

"One family member said a fight had taken place between Ron, the biological father, and Joe, the cousin, where Ron says, 'No, that didn't take place,'" Van Zandt said. "Evidently a gun disappeared from the house and it was found in a ditch later."

Van Zandt said, typically, investigators try to rule out immediate family as suspects first before branching outside of the home. But he said, in this case, it appears that authorities are looking at both at the same time.


I love to hear from CVZ..have you ever read his blog, if not I just searched and he has an item on this case:

http://clintvanzandt.newsvine.com/_news/2009/02/16/2441536-update-teenage-caretaker-of-missing-5-year-old-florida-girl-says-i-didnt-do-it

 

"Update: Teenage Caretaker of missing 5-year-old Florida girl says: "I didn't do it"
News Type: Event — Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:47 PM ESTflorida, drugs, kidnapping, trailer, kidnapped, threats, missing-person, boyfriend, rural, haleigh-cummings, missing-florida-girl, mobile-home, ronald-cummings, misty-croslin, girl-friend, double-wide-mobile-home, live-in-girfriendClint Van Zandt
Haleigh Cummings
 
Misty Croslin and Ronald Cummings
Misty Croslin (17), the live-in girlfriend of Ronald Cummings (25), (the relationship is legal in Florida...) and the last person known to have custody of Cummings’ missing 5-year-old daughter Haleigh, says “I don’t care what people are saying about me, I didn’t do it.” What the definition of “it” is, however, has yet to be determined. The little Satsuma, Florida, girl allegedly disappeared on the night of 2/9-10/09 from her double-wide trailer home that sits in a rural wooded area just off of a dirt road. Croslin, whom some sources say has told conflicting stories about Haleigh’s disappearance, appears to indicate that she put Haleigh and the child’s 3-year-old brother, Ron Jr., to bed “around 8 PM” last Monday evening. It was shortly before 3:00 AM, says Croslin, when she discovered Haleigh missing. For some unknown reason the 17-year-old, whom Ronald Cummings referred to as his “dumb b**** girlfriend,” did not immediately contact the sheriff’s office, waiting instead for Ronald to return from work around 3 AM.

Missing and Murdered Florida Children

With the memories of so many missing and murdered Florida children having captured national headlines in the past few years, authorities were quick to respond with every available investigative resource. It was in 2005 that John Couey, a convicted sex offender living across the street from Jessica Lunsford, kidnapped and murdered the 9-year-old girl, initially keeping her captive in a bedroom closet for days while authorities searched the neighborhood in vain for the missing child. Many in America also fixed their attention on the reported Florida kidnapping of 3-year-old Caylee Anthony, whose mother, Casey, is now charged with her daughter’s death. For whatever the reason, Florida authorities are gaining a lot of experience in investigating the disappearance and death of missing children.

Ron Cummings indicates both he and Misty have “passed” lie detector tests concerning their knowledge of Haleigh’s disappearance, (so far unconfirmed by investigators), this while the little girl’s maternal grandmother, and many others, remain openly critical of Croslin. At least part of this criticism relates to reports that the missing child was either in bed with or sleeping in a bed in the same 10'x10' bedroom of the house trailer in which Croslin slept just four feet away in a toddler bed. The child’s grandmother said it was “ridiculous” that Haleigh, who was frightened of the dark and would never leave the home at night on her own, could disappear under these circumstances while the victim’s father indicates that he locked the doors to his home before leaving for work.

The case concerning Misty is further complicated when you consider media and other unnamed sources that have suggested: 1) Misty may have been outside or even away from the trailer at the time the victim disappeared, and/or 2) The pink shirt Misty indicated the victim was wearing is actually in the possession of law enforcement, 3) a relative of Misty's had recently visited, perhaps someone with a checkered criminal record, but it is up to law enforcement to separate the truth from Internet blog rumor and fiction. It is, however, evident that a 17-year-old could have a hard time caring for two young children, not as a baby sitter but as a substitute mother, and may believe she should have heard an unknown offender walking around in a type of residence (a trailer) not particularly known for being sound proof. Was Misty upset due to the loss of Haleigh, or was she upset and afraid of the reaction of Ron Cumming to Haleigh being missing? One of many questions to be answered in this case.

Ron Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, the estranged mother of both Haleigh and their younger son, Ron, Jr., have allegedly been locked in a custody battle concerning the two children. Sheffield has suggested she was victimized by legal authorities in the determination of which biological parent should have custody of the two young children, further indicating that legal notices had been sent to the wrong address, therefore precluding her from fighting for custody of her son and daughter.

Authorities are faced with at least four potential theories to explain Haleigh’s disappearance, to include:

1) She was kidnapped by some unknown child predator.

Knowing that the Cummings clan has resided in the trailer home for less than one month, it is challenging to believe that a predator was able to identify the trailer as the home of two children and was then get in and out of the home, and the common bedroom, without his presence becoming known to Croslin, and without leaving some indication of how he was able to enter the dead bolted residence.

2) She was a kidnapped due to a vendetta against the former resident of the trailer, perhaps with someone believing he was taking another person’s child as a kidnap victim.

While Phoenix, Arizona, has become the kidnap capital of America with 400 reported and perhaps another 400 unreported kidnappings in the past year, most of these are drug related crimes related to Mexican drug cartels and illegal aliens from south of the border, personal crimes such as this are not unknown to other southern states to include Florida.

3) She was the direct, targeted victim of an unknown person who had a reason to want to hurt or punish the victim’s father due to some unknown personal matter.

Like the above scenario, there are those who seek to punish or force their demands on another by taking some action against the family of their target. Ron Cummings would obviously be able to tell investigators if this could be the case.

4) She was injured and/or killed by someone within her home or visiting her home, i.e., her father, her 17-year-old female caretaker, or a person visiting the trailer and someone known to one or both of the two "adults" who resided there, with everything after her disappearance and/or death representing a cover-up.

This last scenario is, of course, what many believe to be the case with deceased Caylee Anthony, thought to have died as a result of some action by her own mother.

Missing Children = Media Circus

Missing children cases bring out the best, and sometimes the worst of society. In the case of Caylee Anthony, people would gather at the Anthony home to shout their belief that Casey Anthony had killed her own daughter and that Casey’s parents, George and Cindy Anthony, were somehow covering up their daughter’s crime. The media drama surrounding the Caylee Anthony case was further complicated when Leonard Padilla, a television bounty hunter and self-described “media whore” showed up in Florida to make Casey’s bail and insert himself up to his TV cowboy hat in the case, passing himself off on tabloid TV as some type of expert in such cases. The performers in this media circus have also appeared at the Cummings home. George Anthony, fresh from an alleged suicide cry for help when overcome with the death of his granddaughter and the overwhelming negative public response to his and his wife’s role in that case, arrived to provide moral support to Ron Cummings and, perhaps, to redeem himself, hoping beyond hope to see a positive outcome in this current case, one he had not been able to gain for his granddaughter.

Meanwhile Padilla, perhaps looking to continue his 15 minutes of tabloid fame, also showed up in the rural community and allegedly offered a reward for Haleigh’s return. When is someone going to tell him to get lost and quit promoting himself at the cost of missing and murdered children? Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch, who participated in the ill-fated search for American teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba and for Caylee Anthony and other missing and not found by him people, has also showed up to participate in the search for Haleigh, and one media talk show host known for ambush interview techniques has called the overworked local sheriff over 30 times to demand a live interview. There’s a fine line, at times, between television wanting to help authorities find a victim and television personalities wanting to use one family’s tragedy to simply improve their show’s ratings, fainting concern, but ready to move on to a higher rated story in the proverbial “New York minute.”

Miracles are far and few between

While most families of a missing child hope beyond hope for a miracle like that in 2002 concerning missing Utah teenager Elizabeth Smart, kidnapped at age 14 and held by her demented assailant for almost a year before being rescued and returned to her family, others know the statistics that suggest after the first day the odds of a missing child being recovered alive are drastically reduced. This continues to be the case in the matter of missing 3-year-old Madeline McCann, allegedly taken almost 2 years ago from her hotel bedroom by an unknown child predator while her parents ate in a restaurant within view of the child’s hotel room in Portugal, where the family was vacationing. While dozens of alleged sightings have been unproductive and millions of people worldwide are aware of the case, Madeline’s parents still have no resolution in her disappearance.

Then there are reports that Haleigh’s father has been angry and abusive toward the victim’s biological mother and other reports indicating that investigators from the Florida Department of Children and Family Services have investigated the current Cummings home. These are some of the elements of the investigation that force investigators to continue to take a hard look at Ron Cummings and his teenage girlfriend in the disappearance of 3 foot tall, blond-haired, brown-eyed Haleigh, the child with the special birthmark on her left cheek. Haleigh is also thought to have a chromosomal condition called "Turner syndrome," the result of a missing x chromosome, that affects development in females. Found in one out of 2,500 female births, there is no cure for this condition, the most common feature of which is short stature which becomes evident by about age 5.

Investigators, for their part, have thrown a net over at least 45 registered sex offenders in a five mile circle around the victim’s home, (this is like Haleigh being in a swimming pool full of sharks), trying to pin down the whereabouts of each offender last Monday night. These same investigators, led by newly elected Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy, have discontinued the intensive ground search for the missing girl and are refocusing on the over 1200 tips that have come into their command post. As in most cases, at least some of these tips will likely be from so-called psychics who, in my experience, have never contributed to solving such cases. The FBI will be utilizing it's Rapid Start program to both computerize and prioritize the many tips, giving the most promising the tips investigative preference. Meanwhile, as one investigator has stated, “all the world is a suspect,” and the victim’s mother continues to plea for the return of her daughter, indicating “she ain’t done nothing wrong; please bring her back.”

Sheriff’s investigators, Florida Department of Law Enforcement officials, FBI Agents, criminal profilers and others are involved in a race against the clock to find missing Haleigh Cummings and, unfortunately, it is the clock and not the good guys that are winning the race. We can only hope for a positive conclusion to this case, but again, we know the odds are against this.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: ospainter on February 23, 2009, 05:04:28 PM
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m2d21-Haleigh-Cummings-little-brother-says-man-in-black-took-his-sister

Haleigh Cumming's little brother says man in black took his sister

According to News 4 Jax.com, Haleigh Cumming’s little brother, Ronald Cummings Jr. gave his mother a startling bit of information regarding the night his sister was abducted.

The children’s mother, Crystal Sheffield, said that 4-year-old Ronald told her that a man dressed entirely in black entered the home and took Haleigh.
Sheffield relayed this information to authorities and Ronald Jr. was immediately questioned by a team of people who deal with children.

Authorities would not comment on this tip or any other tips they have received in order to protect the integrity of the case.

Misty Croslin, 17, claims she was at home sleeping when the girl disappeared.  Croslin said that when she got up to use the bathroom, she discovered the kitchen light on, the back door propped open with a brick, and Haleigh gone.  Croslin is Haleigh's father's live-in girlfriend.

Ronald Jr. celebrated his fourth birthday without his big sister and told his mother, "I want to find my sissy.”

Haleigh has blond hair and brown eyes and is 3 feet tall.  Please call the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at 386-329-0800 if you have any information regarding Haleigh Cummings.


ME: I received this in a google alert.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 05:06:21 PM

Thanks IM; About this part below...

"Then there are reports that Haleigh’s father has been angry and abusive toward the victim’s biological mother and other reports indicating that investigators from the Florida Department of Children and Family Services have investigated the current Cummings home.

These are some of the elements of the investigation that force investigators to continue to take a hard look at Ron Cummings and his teenage girlfriend in the disappearance of 3 foot tall, blond-haired, brown-eyed Haleigh, the child with the special birthmark on her left cheek."


Apparently the investigators are also "taking a hard look" at Ron and Misty, so it looks like we aren't alone in our suspicions; and the suspicions  are ostensibly not completely unfounded if investigators are covering those bases as well.

Has anything else been detailed about the "reports" by Florida Dept of Children and Family Services? Like what was the reason for the visit to the home? I imagine there are confidentiality concerns there for public release, but I'm not familiar with Sunshine Laws at all if or when something becomes relevant to a criminal issue.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: OriginalKat on February 23, 2009, 05:08:03 PM
Today the fiance of Crystal was picked up for questioning again. Ron went to a dock with LE and handed them over a piece of paper he was said to have been taking notes during this ordeal. This is per First Coast News at 5.

www.firstcoastnews.com (http://www.firstcoastnews.com)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 05:24:46 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong and I'll have to paraphrase here, but why is it during these press conferences with LE that when asked, for example,  if the cousin is a suspect, the answer is a flat, "NO, he's been questioned, and he is not a suspect."

Then when asked about Ron and Misty - whether they are suspects or persons of interest, LE says "Everyone is a suspect. We don't know who has Haleigh b/c if we knew that we'd have Haleigh with us now; but we don't have Haleigh; We don't know where she is and we need to find her. And polygraphs of many people are going on at this time as we speak."

WHA? Is there not a simple yes or no?

Also, why hasn't Crystal been given a poly? Or could she have been and not allowed to say it? But Ron and Misty were allowed to say so.  As the bio mom seems she would be..... unless someone else already failed and Crystal's poly was deemed not needed. But it still seems she would likely be given a poly as bio mom.

Also, is it typical when parents or guardians are given polys and they pass, doesn't LE usually say so right off? Or am I misremembering?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 23, 2009, 05:25:39 PM
My understanding of the 911 call and what happened the first night :
Misty finds Haleigh gone at somewhere around 3 am.
No call is made to 911 until Ron gets home from work.
He works 16 miles away and worked until 3 am.
Do we know if she called him while he was in the route home ?
I understood that the first he heard of this was when he got home and she told him.
So, there is a small window of time opportunity, from 3:15 to whenever the first call was, about 3:40 when they were both home.
Now, I am going to look to find some facts as I am going by memory.
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 23, 2009, 05:42:53 PM
The first call came in at 3:27. The SD responded at 3:50.
She said she frantically searched around. Ron came home 5 minutes after she noticed Haleigh missing.
I looked at the first police report. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 23, 2009, 05:50:05 PM
Sorry, SD responded at 3:40.
..
She called no one, not even him.
..
To me, that is big. If it is correct that he works 16 miles away, he could have been home
by 3:10. Or sooner if he left work a few minutes earlier than 3 am. No traffic at 3 am.
Guy is a hot head at the least.   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 23, 2009, 05:59:54 PM
Anyone know the bio mom Crystal's address?  Doesn't she live in Glen St. Mary FL?  Well her mother Marie married Bruce Griffis. 

And looky here, another Registered Sex Offender! 

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked::

Samuel Buster Griffis
living on Griffis Rd in Glen St. Mary FL

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=713 (http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=713)










 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 06:01:22 PM
My understanding of the 911 call and what happened the first night :
Misty finds Haleigh gone at somewhere around 3 am.
No call is made to 911 until Ron gets home from work.
He works 16 miles away and worked until 3 am.
Do we know if she called him while he was in the route home ?
I understood that the first he heard of this was when he got home and she told him.
So, there is a small window of time opportunity, from 3:15 to whenever the first call was, about 3:40 when they were both home.
Now, I am going to look to find some facts as I am going by memory.
 

Misty actually says it was 3, I saw a 3 on the clock and did not notice or remember the minutes, so it could of been 3:20 for all we know.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 06:03:46 PM
Anyone know the bio mom Crystal's address?  Doesn't she live in Glen St. Mary FL?  Well her mother Marie married Bruce Griffis. 

And looky here, another Registered Sex Offender! 

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked::

Samuel Buster Griffis
living on Griffis Rd in Glen St. Mary FL

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=713 (http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=713)
 

Wyks  I don't want to!!  I swear w/all the SO's around this little girl, it's a miracle she's lasted this long.  It's very scary how many are within her own family.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 06:06:09 PM
Today the fiance of Crystal was picked up for questioning again. Ron went to a dock with LE and handed them over a piece of paper he was said to have been taking notes during this ordeal. This is per First Coast News at 5.

www.firstcoastnews.com (http://www.firstcoastnews.com)

Was this on TV?  I couldn't find the article in the news online.  I wonder what the paper was he gave to LE.  You mean LE and Ron were on the dock and Ron gave LE a paper?  And notes, what would he need to take notes for and what about??


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 06:11:36 PM
My understanding of the 911 call and what happened the first night :
Misty finds Haleigh gone at somewhere around 3 am.
No call is made to 911 until Ron gets home from work.
He works 16 miles away and worked until 3 am.
Do we know if she called him while he was in the route home ?
I understood that the first he heard of this was when he got home and she told him.
So, there is a small window of time opportunity, from 3:15 to whenever the first call was, about 3:40 when they were both home.
Now, I am going to look to find some facts as I am going by memory.
 

Misty actually says it was 3, I saw a 3 on the clock and did not notice or remember the minutes, so it could of been 3:20 for all we know.

I'm sorry in the police report she does say 3am, in the interview must be where she changed it to the 3, i just saw a 3 on the clock and didn't notice or remember the numbers.  My fault.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 06:12:25 PM
About Crystal and Geraldo and the fireworks the other night, could it be that  LE gave her permission to spill the beans? I mean it seems likely that everything that she said to Geraldo would have been things that she would have likely already shared with LE. There wouldn't be a reason for her not to tell LE of her concerns right?

Also, I wonder if after the recent additional 4-5 hr questioning of Misty the other day, if LE urged Crystal to talk to Geraldo about these incidents in order to put pressure of some sort of Ron; and Geraldo was just a player in the process.

I have a question about the domestic viiolence injunction violation of Ron's. I'm not familiar with this, so maybe someone who is will answer this. When a domestic violence injunction is issued, does that mean that there is proven domestic violence? Or can these restraining orders (is that the same as "injunction?") be issued on allegations alone?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: heykim on February 23, 2009, 06:13:49 PM
daughter2 wants to know why the babysitter/gf gets to smoke on tv... she says the law is you cannot smoke till you are 18....... has she been cited for it?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 06:14:02 PM
Good Morning Everyone, Oh yeah, Good Afternoon! 

Maybe they are not clearing Misty and Ron because if it is a SO he may slip up, think hey the LE are looking at them so I don't need to worry so much.  Just a thought. 

Also LE held the Ramsey house forever it seemed as a crime scene, of course there was a body involved here.

I still have gotten no answers or speculation on Tapes/CD's that were seized from the home, does anyone know what these could be??? 
Yes, I was wondering about the tapes/CDs also. It seems we heard a mention of them and then nothing more. I wasn't even clear on whether it was video tape or answering machine tape  or what (Altho aren't answering machine "tapes" sort of obsolete now?) . ::MonkeyCool::


I have talk to some people who new drug users to use the lids of the cd's tape to snort the drugs also put the drugs in cd tapes in small plactic bags.... ::MonkeyTongue::

I could ask my brother... ::MonkeyRoll::

I'll tell you when I first saw this on the police report I immediatly thought child porn!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 23, 2009, 06:14:31 PM
Anyone know the bio mom Crystal's address?  Doesn't she live in Glen St. Mary FL?  Well her mother Marie married Bruce Griffis. 

And looky here, another Registered Sex Offender! 

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked::

Samuel Buster Griffis
living on Griffis Rd in Glen St. Mary FL

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=713 (http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=713)
 

Wyks  I don't want to!!  I swear w/all the SO's around this little girl, it's a miracle she's lasted this long.  It's very scary how many are within her own family.

I agree!  And yes, it IS scary!  Seems Haleigh was surrounded by SO's, either in her own extended family, and then the neighbors.  Seems the landlord's in that neighborhood must have hung out a welcome sign for any and all SO's.  Dunno if this dude is part of this Griffis family or not, still checking into him. 

I've never met up with or heard of a family who has so many SO's in it from one side or another.  It mind-boggling!



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 23, 2009, 06:16:26 PM
Today the fiance of Crystal was picked up for questioning again. Ron went to a dock with LE and handed them over a piece of paper he was said to have been taking notes during this ordeal. This is per First Coast News at 5.

www.firstcoastnews.com (http://www.firstcoastnews.com)

Was this on TV?  I couldn't find the article in the news online.  I wonder what the paper was he gave to LE.  You mean LE and Ron were on the dock and Ron gave LE a paper?  And notes, what would he need to take notes for and what about??
I couldn't find the article either, why wouldn't he go to the sheriff's dept, why a dock to hand over a paper? Maybe he was taking notes like Cindy Anthony. This is just plain crazy, and it seems everytime you turn around another SO appears.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 23, 2009, 06:16:47 PM
Ok, this is in the gossip category. Source : Fox Orlando blog, the Caylee case.
..............

The day of the " missing " , Crystal was found in contempt of court.
Back child support plus health insurance premiums. 
According to the poster who called Ms. Neves, the total was now 17,000.00. That seems rather high given the length of time the kids were in Ron's care.
We have drug offenses, a custody issue, a money issue, cousins who are molesters, So's quite close, cousins who are criminals, allegations of physical abuse against the child.
And in steps Geraldo.
   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 06:18:27 PM
Anyone know the bio mom Crystal's address?  Doesn't she live in Glen St. Mary FL?  Well her mother Marie married Bruce Griffis. 

And looky here, another Registered Sex Offender! 

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked::

Samuel Buster Griffis
living on Griffis Rd in Glen St. Mary FL

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=713 (http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=713)
 

Wyks  I don't want to!!  I swear w/all the SO's around this little girl, it's a miracle she's lasted this long.  It's very scary how many are within her own family.
Wow, so he's 35 and he was 23 when he was charged with committing  an act of (pasted from link)

"LEWD,LASCIVIOUS CHILD U/16; F.S. 800.04 (PRINCIPAL) "

 I didn't see if it said how old the child under 16 was. Yikes.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 23, 2009, 06:20:45 PM
Ok, this is in the gossip category. Source : Fox Orlando blog, the Caylee case.
..............

The day of the " missing " , Crystal was found in contempt of court.
Back child support plus health insurance premiums. 
According to the poster who called Ms. Neves, the total was now 17,000.00. That seems rather high given the length of time the kids were in Ron's care.
We have drug offenses, a custody issue, a money issue, cousins who are molesters, So's quite close, cousins who are criminals, allegations of physical abuse against the child.
And in steps Geraldo.
   
Does Crystal even have a job, and if she does I can't imagine her paying. And why is Chad the bio mom's finance being questioned again for?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 23, 2009, 06:20:54 PM
Anyone know the bio mom Crystal's address?  Doesn't she live in Glen St. Mary FL?  Well her mother Marie married Bruce Griffis. 

And looky here, another Registered Sex Offender! 

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked::

Samuel Buster Griffis
living on Griffis Rd in Glen St. Mary FL

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=713 (http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=713)
 

Wyks  I don't want to!!  I swear w/all the SO's around this little girl, it's a miracle she's lasted this long.  It's very scary how many are within her own family.
Wow, so he's 35 and he was 23 when he was charged with committing  an act of (pasted from link)

"LEWD,LASCIVIOUS CHILD U/16; F.S. 800.04 (PRINCIPAL) "

 I didn't see if it said how old the child under 16 was. Yikes.

According to another forum, the girl was 12 at the time.   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 06:22:03 PM
About Crystal and Geraldo and the fireworks the other night, could it be that  LE gave her permission to spill the beans? I mean it seems likely that everything that she said to Geraldo would have been things that she would have likely already shared with LE. There wouldn't be a reason for her not to tell LE of her concerns right?

Also, I wonder if after the recent additional 4-5 hr questioning of Misty the other day, if LE urged Crystal to talk to Geraldo about these incidents in order to put pressure of some sort of Ron; and Geraldo was just a player in the process.

I have a question about the domestic viiolence injunction violation of Ron's. I'm not familiar with this, so maybe someone who is will answer this. When a domestic violence injunction is issued, does that mean that there is proven domestic violence? Or can these restraining orders (is that the same as "injunction?") be issued on allegations alone?


you know there is a background video of this, by a local reporter in Palatka, and it shows alot of family woeing going on by Geraldo, Everyone has nice big fresh cups of coffee and Geraldo pointedly asks Crystal at one point if she is ok or cold and if she would like to sit in his limo to get warmed up.....Speculate away.  The local reporter is spotted and outed by Geraldo, anyway it is interesting but beware the reporter added alot of snarky jungle sounds to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ieSp87KbY0

it's from the site www.visitpalatka.com


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 06:26:53 PM
Ok, this is in the gossip category. Source : Fox Orlando blog, the Caylee case.
..............

The day of the " missing " , Crystal was found in contempt of court.
Back child support plus health insurance premiums. 
According to the poster who called Ms. Neves, the total was now 17,000.00. That seems rather high given the length of time the kids were in Ron's care.
We have drug offenses, a custody issue, a money issue, cousins who are molesters, So's quite close, cousins who are criminals, allegations of physical abuse against the child.
And in steps Geraldo.
  

Didn't the costody doc say about 300 something per month for child support?  If that's the case by my math she has never paid him a dime.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 23, 2009, 06:29:44 PM
Maybe the paper that Ron handed over to LE was a list of who has been saying bad things about him. ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 06:35:35 PM
From IM's link on the various charges, in particular the domestic violence injunction violation, it was in 2005 Sarasota County. Do we know to whom it pertains? I mean, I didn't see that it said that it was related to Crystal per se.

Has anyone here found any evidence of Crystal being in Sarasota at that time? Sarasota is not very close to and Baker or Putnum County. Or maybe I'm confused. I'm just wondering if that injunction violation pertains to Crystal or if it's an entirely separate issue with someone else seeking a restraining order.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 23, 2009, 06:36:33 PM
I think there must some inflating of the amount, if true. I did hear that there has been a contempt order, but for who. Usually these Fox Bloggers were pretty good sometimes.
..
Where I live, you just have to cause fear at a minimum to have a restraining order against you. However, we have zero tolerance laws. Something as simple as a separation where one spouse comes over uninvited and unwanted can cause the other to fear and get one of these. Verbal threats over the telephone and a person could get one too. 
They can be issued thru Family Court or thru regular court.   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 06:40:11 PM
My understanding of the 911 call and what happened the first night :
Misty finds Haleigh gone at somewhere around 3 am.
No call is made to 911 until Ron gets home from work.
He works 16 miles away and worked until 3 am.
Do we know if she called him while he was in the route home ?
I understood that the first he heard of this was when he got home and she told him.
So, there is a small window of time opportunity, from 3:15 to whenever the first call was, about 3:40 when they were both home.
Now, I am going to look to find some facts as I am going by memory.
 

Misty actually says it was 3, I saw a 3 on the clock and did not notice or remember the minutes, so it could of been 3:20 for all we know.

I'm sorry in the police report she does say 3am, in the interview must be where she changed it to the 3, i just saw a 3 on the clock and didn't notice or remember the numbers.  My fault.

You're right about her changing it to "I just remember seeing the 3", from "3am or a few minutes before", just another inconsistency ::MonkeyConfused:: I'm going to need a spreadsheet before long.........


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 06:43:12 PM
I think there must some inflating of the amount, if true. I did hear that there has been a contempt order, but for who. Usually these Fox Bloggers were pretty good sometimes.
..
Where I live, you just have to cause fear at a minimum to have a restraining order against you. However, we have zero tolerance laws. Something as simple as a separation where one spouse comes over uninvited and unwanted can cause the other to fear and get one of these. Verbal threats over the telephone and a person could get one too. 
They can be issued thru Family Court or thru regular court.   
Yes, that does make sense. I don't want to ask you your location. I wonder what the deal is in Florida?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 06:50:55 PM
Jane Velez-Mitchell (JVM) is reporting on HLN that Crystal's fiance was interviewed by LE today FWIW.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 06:55:15 PM
Does anyone know the protocol for DCF to visit a residence? Do they go out on any anonymous call about anything? Does it have to be a severe credible tip or complaint? I'm just asking bc I thought they - as a dept -  are over-worked and under-staffed and so they have to be discerning about what cases they pursue due to time and tight funds allocation; but I could be way off on that.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 23, 2009, 06:56:42 PM
I am in Canada. Far away from FL.
But, human nature in these cases is the same.
Whoever has the kiddos gets the child support.
Games are played to get more time with the kiddos to get the child support, making this a commercial transaction rather than anything that has to do with the best interests of the child.
..
Crystal would have to have a job or had a job in order for her pay child support and a portion of health care.
..
It will come out via paper rather than this internet blog stuff.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 23, 2009, 06:58:14 PM
Jane Velez-Mitchell (JVM) is reporting on HLN that Crystal's fiance was interviewed by LE today FWIW.

Thanks, I just saw that.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 23, 2009, 07:00:10 PM
Jane Velez-Mitchell (JVM) is reporting on HLN that Crystal's fiance was interviewed by LE today FWIW.

Yep. I am going to watch JVM. But, Crystal and Chad don't live in Satsuma. This entire thing is odd. Too many characters that I am liking for this.   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 23, 2009, 07:04:14 PM
Maybe the paper that Ron handed over to LE was a list of who has been saying bad things about him. ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 23, 2009, 07:04:52 PM
Maybe the paper that Ron handed over to LE was a list of who has been saying bad things about him. ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 07:08:29 PM
Jane Velez-Mitchell (JVM) is reporting on HLN that Crystal's fiance was interviewed by LE today FWIW.

Thanks, I just saw that.

Maybe he's being charged with slander ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 07:09:40 PM
In the Geraldo clip, Crystal says "We were living in Leesburg at his mother's house; I was pregnant with Haleigh;" So that gives a time (roughly) and a place; Does that fit with the restraining order locale at all?

Also, they keep saying Haleigh and "school;" Do they mean kindergarten since she's 5? If so, that is over at like 12 PM not 3 PM right? He says he picked her up at the bus stop.

Just trying to get these bits straight in my head.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 23, 2009, 07:10:54 PM
Maybe the paper that Ron handed over to LE was a list of who has been saying bad things about him. ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Just thinking out loud....

Now if Junior is correct in saying a man in black took his sister does that mean junior was awake and also wouldnt he been upset and frighten to stay in the house... crying for his sister.... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 23, 2009, 07:11:13 PM
daughter2 wants to know why the babysitter/gf gets to smoke on tv... she says the law is you cannot smoke till you are 18....... has she been cited for it?
  ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyLaugh:: DAUGHTER 2 is very observant!!!  good job  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 23, 2009, 07:12:22 PM
Jane Velez-Mitchell (JVM) is reporting on HLN that Crystal's fiance was interviewed by LE today FWIW.

Yep. I am going to watch JVM. But, Crystal and Chad don't live in Satsuma. This entire thing is odd. Too many characters that I am liking for this.   

I think Crystal is also Ronald's mothers name?  There are 2 Crystals.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: strayze on February 23, 2009, 07:13:07 PM
Jane Velez-Mitchell (JVM) is reporting on HLN that Crystal's fiance was interviewed by LE today FWIW.

Thanks, I just saw that.

Maybe he's being charged with slander ::MonkeyTongue::

I don't believe slander is a criminal offense.  Slander is something dealt with in civil courts.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 23, 2009, 07:14:01 PM
In the Geraldo clip, Crystal says "We were living in Leesburg at his mother's house; I was pregnant with Haleigh;" So that gives a time (roughly) and a place; Does that fit with the restraining order locale at all?

Also, they keep saying Haleigh and "school;" Do they mean kindergarten since she's 5? If so, that is over at like 12 PM not 3 PM right? He says he picked her up at the bus stop.

Just trying to get these bits straight in my head.

Haleigh is in kindergarten, and from what others in FL said, it's an all day thing there.  Ron says HE picked her up from the bus stop, her gma says SHE did, so dunno who actually picked her up on Monday. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 23, 2009, 07:14:55 PM
Jane Velez-Mitchell (JVM) is reporting on HLN that Crystal's fiance was interviewed by LE today FWIW.

Yep. I am going to watch JVM. But, Crystal and Chad don't live in Satsuma. This entire thing is odd. Too many characters that I am liking for this.   

I think Crystal is also Ronald's mothers name?  There are 2 Crystals.

I'm sorry, not his mother, his sisters name is Crystal:

HALEIGH's FAMILY on her father's side:

father - Ronald Lemyles Cummings Sr
Ronalds father - Jack Cummings
Ronalds mother - Theresa Ann Neves
Ronalds sibling - Crystal Cummings
Ronalds children - Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings, Ronald Lemyles Cummings Jr
Ronalds girlfriend - Misty Jeanette Croslin
Ronalds grandma/great-grandma - Annette Sykes (Sikes?)

Known relatives, not sure if from mother's or father's side - Ronald Padgett, Sherry Padgett

Possibly related in some way - Randy Cummings, Robert Cummings,


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 23, 2009, 07:17:02 PM
Jane Velez-Mitchell (JVM) is reporting on HLN that Crystal's fiance was interviewed by LE today FWIW.

Yep. I am going to watch JVM. But, Crystal and Chad don't live in Satsuma. This entire thing is odd. Too many characters that I am liking for this.   

I think Crystal is also Ronald's mothers name?  There are 2 Crystals.

Crystal, Haleigh's bio mom, Chad is her fiance... Crystal, Ron's sister... Theresa Neves is Ron's mother. 

I know, it gets confusing with sooooo many people in all the families! 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 07:17:54 PM
Jane Velez-Mitchell (JVM) is reporting on HLN that Crystal's fiance was interviewed by LE today FWIW.

Thanks, I just saw that.

Maybe he's being charged with slander ::MonkeyTongue::

I don't believe slander is a criminal offense.  Slander is something dealt with in civil courts.
::MonkeyHaHa:: I was being sarcastic ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 23, 2009, 07:19:09 PM


For all of you that have watched the interviews over and over has the mother or the father actually shed tears?  It sounds like crying sometimes but I don't remember tears from either one.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 07:23:12 PM
Jane Velez-Mitchell (JVM) is reporting on HLN that Crystal's fiance was interviewed by LE today FWIW.

Thanks, I just saw that.

Maybe he's being charged with slander ::MonkeyTongue::

I don't believe slander is a criminal offense.  Slander is something dealt with in civil courts.
::MonkeyHaHa:: I was being sarcastic ::MonkeyWink::
IM you cheeky monkey you .  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Well I"ll just throw this out there for ya'll. Since they aren't "blood" I...well... here it is. See for yourself.

This is just s "FWIW" tidbit, but bio mom, Crystal is engaged to her step-dad's son.... aka her step-brother, Chad.

Oh dear God, I hear dueling banjo music.
(Sorry; that's not funny. Someone slap me. I deserve it.)

http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html (http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html)







Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 07:23:20 PM
Maybe the paper that Ron handed over to LE was a list of who has been saying bad things about him. ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Just thinking out loud....

Now if Junior is correct in saying a man in black took his sister does that mean junior was awake and also wouldnt he been upset and frighten to stay in the house... crying for his sister.... ::MonkeyTongue::

OH~great point.........


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 07:23:44 PM
Jane Velez-Mitchell (JVM) is reporting on HLN that Crystal's fiance was interviewed by LE today FWIW.

Yep. I am going to watch JVM. But, Crystal and Chad don't live in Satsuma. This entire thing is odd. Too many characters that I am liking for this.   

I think Crystal is also Ronald's mothers name?  There are 2 Crystals.

His sister.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 07:24:54 PM
Jane Velez-Mitchell (JVM) is reporting on HLN that Crystal's fiance was interviewed by LE today FWIW.

Thanks, I just saw that.

Maybe he's being charged with slander ::MonkeyTongue::

I don't believe slander is a criminal offense.  Slander is something dealt with in civil courts.
::MonkeyHaHa:: I was being sarcastic ::MonkeyWink::
IM you cheeky monkey you .  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Well I"ll just throw this out there for ya'll. Since they aren't "blood" I...well... here it is. See for yourself.

This is just s "FWIW" tidbit, but bio mom, Crystal is engaged to her step-dad's son.... aka her step-brother, Chad.

Oh dear God, I hear dueling banjo music.
(Sorry; that's not funny. Someone slap me. I deserve it.)

http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html (http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html)







 ::MonkeyTongue:: LOL~I already knew that .....I've been hearing the theme from Deliverance for a while now ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 07:26:48 PM
Jane Velez-Mitchell (JVM) is reporting on HLN that Crystal's fiance was interviewed by LE today FWIW.

Thanks, I just saw that.

Maybe he's being charged with slander ::MonkeyTongue::

I don't believe slander is a criminal offense.  Slander is something dealt with in civil courts.
::MonkeyHaHa:: I was being sarcastic ::MonkeyWink::
IM you cheeky monkey you .  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Well I"ll just throw this out there for ya'll. Since they aren't "blood" I...well... here it is. See for yourself.

This is just s "FWIW" tidbit, but bio mom, Crystal is engaged to her step-dad's son.... aka her step-brother, Chad.

Oh dear God, I hear dueling banjo music.
(Sorry; that's not funny. Someone slap me. I deserve it.)

http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html (http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html)







 ::MonkeyTongue:: LOL~I already knew that .....I've been hearing the theme from Deliverance for a while now ::MonkeyTongue::

Sorry for the repeat; I was late on picking up that little nugget. I didn't get the memo dangit. .  ::MonkeyTongue::







Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 07:26:55 PM
What is a FWIW? 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 07:30:23 PM
What is a FWIW? 
Sorry -- "For What It's Worth" .  ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 23, 2009, 07:30:42 PM
What is a FWIW? 

I beleive- For What Its Worth.... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 07:34:08 PM
What is a FWIW? 

I beleive- For What Its Worth.... ::MonkeyTongue::

Thank you I'm still getting an education on web slang.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 23, 2009, 07:34:55 PM
What is a FWIW? 

I beleive- For What Its Worth.... ::MonkeyTongue::

Thank you I'm still getting an education on web slang.


LOL me too... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 07:34:55 PM
Jane Velez-Mitchell (JVM) is reporting on HLN that Crystal's fiance was interviewed by LE today FWIW.

Thanks, I just saw that.

Maybe he's being charged with slander ::MonkeyTongue::

I don't believe slander is a criminal offense.  Slander is something dealt with in civil courts.
::MonkeyHaHa:: I was being sarcastic ::MonkeyWink::
IM you cheeky monkey you .  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Well I"ll just throw this out there for ya'll. Since they aren't "blood" I...well... here it is. See for yourself.

This is just s "FWIW" tidbit, but bio mom, Crystal is engaged to her step-dad's son.... aka her step-brother, Chad.

Oh dear God, I hear dueling banjo music.
(Sorry; that's not funny. Someone slap me. I deserve it.)

http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html (http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html)







 ::MonkeyTongue:: LOL~I already knew that .....I've been hearing the theme from Deliverance for a while now ::MonkeyTongue::

Sorry for the repeat; I was late on picking up that little nugget. I didn't get the memo dangit. .  ::MonkeyTongue::




My bad~I should have put it in the thread .........I don't think I ever did ::MonkeyShocked::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 07:36:33 PM
What is a FWIW? 

I beleive- For What Its Worth.... ::MonkeyTongue::

Thank you I'm still getting an education on web slang.


LOL me too... ::MonkeyTongue::

Ok~does anyone know what ETA stands for???


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 23, 2009, 07:37:02 PM
On JVM..

Ron was ask if he had other children- he stated haleigh and JR- he was asked if there were others and he stated possiblity... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Today on February 23, 2009, 07:37:03 PM
Jane Velez-Mitchell (JVM) is reporting on HLN that Crystal's fiance was interviewed by LE today FWIW.

Yep. I am going to watch JVM. But, Crystal and Chad don't live in Satsuma. This entire thing is odd. Too many characters that I am liking for this.   

I think Crystal is also Ronald's mothers name?  There are 2 Crystals.

I'm sorry, not his mother, his sisters name is Crystal:

HALEIGH's FAMILY on her father's side:

father - Ronald Lemyles Cummings Sr
Ronalds father - Jack Cummings
Ronalds mother - Theresa Ann Neves
Ronalds sibling - Crystal Cummings
Ronalds children - Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings, Ronald Lemyles Cummings Jr
Ronalds girlfriend - Misty Jeanette Croslin
Ronalds grandma/great-grandma - Annette Sykes (Sikes?)

Known relatives, not sure if from mother's or father's side - Ronald Padgett, Sherry Padgett

Possibly related in some way - Randy Cummings, Robert Cummings,

If Ronald is a Jr. why is his father's name not Ronald?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 07:40:44 PM
Although the photo of Haleigh depicted scratches on her face and chin area, along with some bruising, Crystal Sheffield stated that the school had sent a letter home with Haleigh that day saying Haleigh received the injuries after a fall on the sidewalk. Crystal Sheffield's mother, Marie Grifis, grandmother of Haleigh, pressed that the injuries were not consistent "with "a fall on concrete."


Didn't Geraldo say she was beat to a pulp?  Some scratches and bruising?  I don't get it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 23, 2009, 07:41:49 PM
Jane Velez-Mitchell (JVM) is reporting on HLN that Crystal's fiance was interviewed by LE today FWIW.

Yep. I am going to watch JVM. But, Crystal and Chad don't live in Satsuma. This entire thing is odd. Too many characters that I am liking for this.   

I think Crystal is also Ronald's mothers name?  There are 2 Crystals.

I'm sorry, not his mother, his sisters name is Crystal:

HALEIGH's FAMILY on her father's side:

father - Ronald Lemyles Cummings Sr
Ronalds father - Jack Cummings
Ronalds mother - Theresa Ann Neves
Ronalds sibling - Crystal Cummings
Ronalds children - Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings, Ronald Lemyles Cummings Jr
Ronalds girlfriend - Misty Jeanette Croslin
Ronalds grandma/great-grandma - Annette Sykes (Sikes?)

Known relatives, not sure if from mother's or father's side - Ronald Padgett, Sherry Padgett

Possibly related in some way - Randy Cummings, Robert Cummings,

If Ronald is a Jr. why is his father's name not Ronald?

I believe Ron's child haleigh's brother is a jr because he is name after if father- Ron .. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 23, 2009, 07:45:39 PM
Jane Velez-Mitchell (JVM) is reporting on HLN that Crystal's fiance was interviewed by LE today FWIW.

Thanks, I just saw that.

Maybe he's being charged with slander ::MonkeyTongue::

I don't believe slander is a criminal offense.  Slander is something dealt with in civil courts.
::MonkeyHaHa:: I was being sarcastic ::MonkeyWink::
IM you cheeky monkey you .  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Well I"ll just throw this out there for ya'll. Since they aren't "blood" I...well... here it is. See for yourself.

This is just s "FWIW" tidbit, but bio mom, Crystal is engaged to her step-dad's son.... aka her step-brother, Chad.

Oh dear God, I hear dueling banjo music.
(Sorry; that's not funny. Someone slap me. I deserve it.)

http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html (http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html)


I don't have audio, does it say that on this video?  I've read on other sites some differing viewpoints, haven't seen for sure yet which Griffis he is the son of.  Besides Bruce Griffis, Crystal's stepdad, there's also a Victor and a Virgil, who could be brothers of Bruce.  One of them could be Chad's father too. 

Since I didn't know for sure which it was, I left it out of the Who's Who.  We can always add the father in when we find out which one it is. 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 07:47:02 PM
Jane Velez-Mitchell (JVM) is reporting on HLN that Crystal's fiance was interviewed by LE today FWIW.

Thanks, I just saw that.

Maybe he's being charged with slander ::MonkeyTongue::

I don't believe slander is a criminal offense.  Slander is something dealt with in civil courts.
::MonkeyHaHa:: I was being sarcastic ::MonkeyWink::
IM you cheeky monkey you .  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Well I"ll just throw this out there for ya'll. Since they aren't "blood" I...well... here it is. See for yourself.

This is just s "FWIW" tidbit, but bio mom, Crystal is engaged to her step-dad's son.... aka her step-brother, Chad.

Oh dear God, I hear dueling banjo music.
(Sorry; that's not funny. Someone slap me. I deserve it.)

http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html (http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html)


I don't have audio, does it say that on this video?  I've read on other sites some differing viewpoints, haven't seen for sure yet which Griffis he is the son of.  Besides Bruce Griffis, Crystal's stepdad, there's also a Victor and a Virgil, who could be brothers of Bruce.  One of them could be Chad's father too. 

Since I didn't know for sure which it was, I left it out of the Who's Who.  We can always add the father in when we find out which one it is. 



Victor, IIRC.....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 23, 2009, 07:47:29 PM
Jane Velez-Mitchell (JVM) is reporting on HLN that Crystal's fiance was interviewed by LE today FWIW.

Yep. I am going to watch JVM. But, Crystal and Chad don't live in Satsuma. This entire thing is odd. Too many characters that I am liking for this.   

I think Crystal is also Ronald's mothers name?  There are 2 Crystals.

I'm sorry, not his mother, his sisters name is Crystal:

HALEIGH's FAMILY on her father's side:

father - Ronald Lemyles Cummings Sr
Ronalds father - Jack Cummings
Ronalds mother - Theresa Ann Neves
Ronalds sibling - Crystal Cummings
Ronalds children - Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings, Ronald Lemyles Cummings Jr
Ronalds girlfriend - Misty Jeanette Croslin
Ronalds grandma/great-grandma - Annette Sykes (Sikes?)

Known relatives, not sure if from mother's or father's side - Ronald Padgett, Sherry Padgett

Possibly related in some way - Randy Cummings, Robert Cummings,

If Ronald is a Jr. why is his father's name not Ronald?

I believe Ron's child haleigh's brother is a jr because he is name after if father- Ron .. ::MonkeyTongue::

Haleigh's father Ron is not a Jr... It's Ron's little boy who is the Jr.  The 4 yr old.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 07:51:16 PM
This is just specualion, but I'm not sure that I see why Crystal would come out with this stuff via GR (Geraldo) now  - as opposed to earlier - unless LE encouraged her to do so for some reason.

IOW, sometimes when someone has useful info they're afraid to come forward with it b/c they're reticent and scared of LE for example. If someone had info that might incriminate one individual or some part of the family they may feel they have no one to go to and they shouldn't stir the pot b/c everyone is playing all sunshine and rainbows with one another. On the contrary, if one side spills the beans of sorts like Crystal did with GR,  then maybe the tipster will feel more inclined to come forward b/c the offending idea has already been broached and put out there.

Just  my .02.

(two cents) .  ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 07:51:32 PM
What is a FWIW? 

I beleive- For What Its Worth.... ::MonkeyTongue::

Thank you I'm still getting an education on web slang.


LOL me too... ::MonkeyTongue::

Ok~does anyone know what ETA stands for???

Military/police speak ETA = Estimated Time of Arrival


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 23, 2009, 07:52:32 PM
Although the photo of Haleigh depicted scratches on her face and chin area, along with some bruising, Crystal Sheffield stated that the school had sent a letter home with Haleigh that day saying Haleigh received the injuries after a fall on the sidewalk. Crystal Sheffield's mother, Marie Grifis, grandmother of Haleigh, pressed that the injuries were not consistent "with "a fall on concrete."


Didn't Geraldo say she was beat to a pulp?  Some scratches and bruising?  I don't get it.

Yeah he did!  I was surprised when I saw the pic of Haleigh.  Sure didn't look to me like she had been beaten to a pulp.  Didn't look like injuries she could have gotten falling on the sidewalk either.  Looked like her face was bruised and scratched.  More consistent with someone hitting her, IMO. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 23, 2009, 07:55:35 PM
Jane Velez-Mitchell (JVM) is reporting on HLN that Crystal's fiance was interviewed by LE today FWIW.

Thanks, I just saw that.

Maybe he's being charged with slander ::MonkeyTongue::

I don't believe slander is a criminal offense.  Slander is something dealt with in civil courts.
::MonkeyHaHa:: I was being sarcastic ::MonkeyWink::
IM you cheeky monkey you .  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Well I"ll just throw this out there for ya'll. Since they aren't "blood" I...well... here it is. See for yourself.

This is just s "FWIW" tidbit, but bio mom, Crystal is engaged to her step-dad's son.... aka her step-brother, Chad.

Oh dear God, I hear dueling banjo music.
(Sorry; that's not funny. Someone slap me. I deserve it.)

http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html (http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html)


I don't have audio, does it say that on this video?  I've read on other sites some differing viewpoints, haven't seen for sure yet which Griffis he is the son of.  Besides Bruce Griffis, Crystal's stepdad, there's also a Victor and a Virgil, who could be brothers of Bruce.  One of them could be Chad's father too. 

Since I didn't know for sure which it was, I left it out of the Who's Who.  We can always add the father in when we find out which one it is. 



Victor, IIRC.....

Thanks, Island!  Was that mentioned in the news or something?
   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 07:55:41 PM
Jane Velez-Mitchell (JVM) is reporting on HLN that Crystal's fiance was interviewed by LE today FWIW.

Thanks, I just saw that.

Maybe he's being charged with slander ::MonkeyTongue::

I don't believe slander is a criminal offense.  Slander is something dealt with in civil courts.
::MonkeyHaHa:: I was being sarcastic ::MonkeyWink::
IM you cheeky monkey you .  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Well I"ll just throw this out there for ya'll. Since they aren't "blood" I...well... here it is. See for yourself.

This is just s "FWIW" tidbit, but bio mom, Crystal is engaged to her step-dad's son.... aka her step-brother, Chad.

Oh dear God, I hear dueling banjo music.
(Sorry; that's not funny. Someone slap me. I deserve it.)

http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html (http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html)


I don't have audio, does it say that on this video?  I've read on other sites some differing viewpoints, haven't seen for sure yet which Griffis he is the son of.  Besides Bruce Griffis, Crystal's stepdad, there's also a Victor and a Virgil, who could be brothers of Bruce.  One of them could be Chad's father too. 

Since I didn't know for sure which it was, I left it out of the Who's Who.  We can always add the father in when we find out which one it is. 


The reporter did say that Chad is Crystal's step-brother, but reporters have been known to get things confused at times. .  ::MonkeyCool:




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 07:55:50 PM
This is just specualion, but I'm not sure that I see why Crystal would come out with this stuff via GR (Geraldo) now  - as opposed to earlier - unless LE encouraged her to do so for some reason.

IOW, sometimes when someone has useful info they're afraid to come forward with it b/c they're reticent and scared of LE for example. If someone had info that might incriminate one individual or some part of the family they may feel they have no one to go to and they shouldn't stir the pot b/c everyone is playing all sunshine and rainbows with one another. On the contrary, if one side spills the beans of sorts like Crystal did with GR,  then maybe the tipster will feel more inclined to come forward b/c the offending idea has already been broached and put out there.

Just  my .02.

(two cents) .  ::MonkeyCool::





I think money and fear for her little girl, she'll do anything to get Haleigh back as will Ron.  Keep it in the news. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 07:57:50 PM
What is a FWIW? 

I beleive- For What Its Worth.... ::MonkeyTongue::

Thank you I'm still getting an education on web slang.


LOL me too... ::MonkeyTongue::

Ok~does anyone know what ETA stands for???

Military/police speak ETA = Estimated Time of Arrival

and also "Edit To Add"  ::MonkeyCool::


 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: BooMonkey on February 23, 2009, 07:59:24 PM
So now LE is looking at bio-Mom's boyfriend? I'm just wondering out loud here...  I wonder if he were to marry Bio Mom, would the state attach HIS wages to pay for her child support? Would the $17,000 debt bio mom owes Ron just go away if the children suddenly died or disappeared? At least the amt wouldn't get any bigger if they disappeared. Little Jr. reports seeing a man all dressed in black take Haleigh, could this be the boyfriend? I'm not saying that the Bio Mom KNEW about this plan, but money as a motivation is awfully powerful.  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 07:59:38 PM
What is a FWIW? 

I beleive- For What Its Worth.... ::MonkeyTongue::

Thank you I'm still getting an education on web slang.


LOL me too... ::MonkeyTongue::

Ok~does anyone know what ETA stands for???

Military/police speak ETA = Estimated Time of Arrival

and also "Edit To Add"  ::MonkeyCool::


 

Thanks~that has been driving me crazy ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 23, 2009, 08:00:15 PM
Although the photo of Haleigh depicted scratches on her face and chin area, along with some bruising, Crystal Sheffield stated that the school had sent a letter home with Haleigh that day saying Haleigh received the injuries after a fall on the sidewalk. Crystal Sheffield's mother, Marie Grifis, grandmother of Haleigh, pressed that the injuries were not consistent "with "a fall on concrete."


Didn't Geraldo say she was beat to a pulp?  Some scratches and bruising?  I don't get it.

Well, you see there are ratings with Geraldo and both sides are looking at each other and
looking at the others. There are two bios who don't look good and their 2 partners who don't look any gooder. Then there are the GM's. One has previous drug convictions. Ms. Grifis.
Then we have the cousins. All bad ones.
The school injury was a while ago, now they are trying to make something of it. 
The entire thing makes the Ant family drama normal.   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 23, 2009, 08:02:40 PM
This is just specualion, but I'm not sure that I see why Crystal would come out with this stuff via GR (Geraldo) now  - as opposed to earlier - unless LE encouraged her to do so for some reason.

IOW, sometimes when someone has useful info they're afraid to come forward with it b/c they're reticent and scared of LE for example. If someone had info that might incriminate one individual or some part of the family they may feel they have no one to go to and they shouldn't stir the pot b/c everyone is playing all sunshine and rainbows with one another. On the contrary, if one side spills the beans of sorts like Crystal did with GR,  then maybe the tipster will feel more inclined to come forward b/c the offending idea has already been broached and put out there.

Just  my .02.

(two cents) .  ::MonkeyCool::

Yep, it sure could be, rana.  It makes sense.  LE might just be trying to turn up the heat on Ron to see if he breaks. 

Am wondering if Geraldo pays for the info he gets for his show?  And if so, how much Crystal got for those lil tidbits.  I wouldn't put it past Geraldo one little bit to offer up some big bucks for an exclusive, whether that info is correct or not. 

The reward is up to an amazing amount, and the tips seemed to have doubled since early on. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 23, 2009, 08:07:45 PM
Jane Velez-Mitchell (JVM) is reporting on HLN that Crystal's fiance was interviewed by LE today FWIW.

Thanks, I just saw that.

Maybe he's being charged with slander ::MonkeyTongue::

I don't believe slander is a criminal offense.  Slander is something dealt with in civil courts.
::MonkeyHaHa:: I was being sarcastic ::MonkeyWink::
IM you cheeky monkey you .  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Well I"ll just throw this out there for ya'll. Since they aren't "blood" I...well... here it is. See for yourself.

This is just s "FWIW" tidbit, but bio mom, Crystal is engaged to her step-dad's son.... aka her step-brother, Chad.

Oh dear God, I hear dueling banjo music.
(Sorry; that's not funny. Someone slap me. I deserve it.)

http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html (http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html)


I don't have audio, does it say that on this video?  I've read on other sites some differing viewpoints, haven't seen for sure yet which Griffis he is the son of.  Besides Bruce Griffis, Crystal's stepdad, there's also a Victor and a Virgil, who could be brothers of Bruce.  One of them could be Chad's father too. 

Since I didn't know for sure which it was, I left it out of the Who's Who.  We can always add the father in when we find out which one it is. 


The reporter did say that Chad is Crystal's step-brother, but reporters have been known to get things confused at times. .  ::MonkeyCool:


Yeppers.  Some things were even reported wrong from LE, like in the police report where Haleigh was listed as male, along with some other typo's.  Between that, the media getting things wrong at times, along with the flat out lying from some of the folks involved, sheeeeesh!  It's frustrating when trying to make sense of it all.  Misty was first reported as Ron's babysitter, then as his cousin, then as his girlfriend.   ::MonkeyConfused::
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 23, 2009, 08:10:40 PM
They didn't provide that pix to Geraldo for free.
There is another 4 year old kiddo Junior aka Butterbean she might be trying to get custody of also.
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 23, 2009, 08:12:15 PM
Although the photo of Haleigh depicted scratches on her face and chin area, along with some bruising, Crystal Sheffield stated that the school had sent a letter home with Haleigh that day saying Haleigh received the injuries after a fall on the sidewalk. Crystal Sheffield's mother, Marie Grifis, grandmother of Haleigh, pressed that the injuries were not consistent "with "a fall on concrete."


Didn't Geraldo say she was beat to a pulp?  Some scratches and bruising?  I don't get it.

Well, you see there are ratings with Geraldo and both sides are looking at each other and
looking at the others. There are two bios who don't look good and their 2 partners who don't look any gooder. Then there are the GM's. One has previous drug convictions. Ms. Grifis.
Then we have the cousins. All bad ones.
The school injury was a while ago, now they are trying to make something of it. 
The entire thing makes the Ant family drama normal.   

Gosh, isn't that the truth, KatGram!  I've gone back and forth on this case so much am getting whiplash.   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Read over on topix (I think it was) where someone suggested that EVERYONE, in all three families, had something to do with Haleigh gone missing.   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: ospainter on February 23, 2009, 08:14:24 PM
NG just ask Crystal (mother of Haleigh) if she had taken a poly.

Crystal said yes.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: AZSunny on February 23, 2009, 08:14:48 PM
So now LE is looking at bio-Mom's boyfriend? I'm just wondering out loud here...  I wonder if he were to marry Bio Mom, would the state attach HIS wages to pay for her child support? Would the $17,000 debt bio mom owes Ron just go away if the children suddenly died or disappeared? At least the amt wouldn't get any bigger if they disappeared. Little Jr. reports seeing a man all dressed in black take Haleigh, could this be the boyfriend? I'm not saying that the Bio Mom KNEW about this plan, but money as a motivation is awfully powerful.  ::MonkeyShocked::

I believe the figure $17K came from a blog, not from LE.  Let's not add credibility to something, that has not been confirmed. JMO


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Cappuccino on February 23, 2009, 08:17:59 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 08:19:33 PM
So now LE is looking at bio-Mom's boyfriend? I'm just wondering out loud here...  I wonder if he were to marry Bio Mom, would the state attach HIS wages to pay for her child support? Would the $17,000 debt bio mom owes Ron just go away if the children suddenly died or disappeared? At least the amt wouldn't get any bigger if they disappeared. Little Jr. reports seeing a man all dressed in black take Haleigh, could this be the boyfriend? I'm not saying that the Bio Mom KNEW about this plan, but money as a motivation is awfully powerful.  ::MonkeyShocked::
Great question. I don't know beans about law, but my guess would be that her responsibilities accrued prior to the marraige would remain hers; but I can see that effecting him of course. But why only one child? Also that amount seems really inflated. Are we sure that's correct? Like maybe the actual amount is much less? Point being , I cant see someone taking that kind of action for a small amount of money.

.....But if that were the case why would bio mom be talking on and on about a man dressed in black?

Also, FWIW, bio mom is on NG (Nanct Grace) saying that she has taken the poly.





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 23, 2009, 08:20:07 PM
So now LE is looking at bio-Mom's boyfriend? I'm just wondering out loud here...  I wonder if he were to marry Bio Mom, would the state attach HIS wages to pay for her child support? Would the $17,000 debt bio mom owes Ron just go away if the children suddenly died or disappeared? At least the amt wouldn't get any bigger if they disappeared. Little Jr. reports seeing a man all dressed in black take Haleigh, could this be the boyfriend? I'm not saying that the Bio Mom KNEW about this plan, but money as a motivation is awfully powerful.  ::MonkeyShocked::

Not sure about FL, but am thinking that nope, they wouldn't attach Chad's wages for what Crystal owes.  It's HER debt.  Only seems fair.  And no I don't think the debt would disappear along with Haleigh.  Crystal owes that child support for the past. 

Money is indeed a big motivation.  Follow the money.  Good lord, money in this case could go in sev directions.  Child support debt.  Possible drug debt.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 08:20:38 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!
Sorry about the repeat info; We were posting at the same time . . ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 08:21:36 PM
So now LE is looking at bio-Mom's boyfriend? I'm just wondering out loud here...  I wonder if he were to marry Bio Mom, would the state attach HIS wages to pay for her child support? Would the $17,000 debt bio mom owes Ron just go away if the children suddenly died or disappeared? At least the amt wouldn't get any bigger if they disappeared. Little Jr. reports seeing a man all dressed in black take Haleigh, could this be the boyfriend? I'm not saying that the Bio Mom KNEW about this plan, but money as a motivation is awfully powerful.  ::MonkeyShocked::

Here's really creepy for you from another blog:

I am still concerned over what Chad R was wearing when he disappeared. His step-mom said he was wearing his work clothes. Our local Longhorn wears all black...black pants, black T-shirt, black shoes, and black ball cap. I hope she can let us know if that was the type of work clothes he was wearing or not.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: BooMonkey on February 23, 2009, 08:22:36 PM
So now LE is looking at bio-Mom's boyfriend? I'm just wondering out loud here...  I wonder if he were to marry Bio Mom, would the state attach HIS wages to pay for her child support? Would the $17,000 debt bio mom owes Ron just go away if the children suddenly died or disappeared? At least the amt wouldn't get any bigger if they disappeared. Little Jr. reports seeing a man all dressed in black take Haleigh, could this be the boyfriend? I'm not saying that the Bio Mom KNEW about this plan, but money as a motivation is awfully powerful.  ::MonkeyShocked::

I believe the figure $17K came from a blog, not from LE.  Let's not add credibility to something, that has not been confirmed. JMO

Whatever the amount, the question still stands. As for adding credibility to something that has not been confirmed, does that mean we can't talk about something until LE confirms it? Is this not a forum to discuss all aspects??


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 08:23:27 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!

WTF?! It's beginning to look like only Ronald can actually pass this polygraph test???!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 08:26:05 PM
So now LE is looking at bio-Mom's boyfriend? I'm just wondering out loud here...  I wonder if he were to marry Bio Mom, would the state attach HIS wages to pay for her child support? Would the $17,000 debt bio mom owes Ron just go away if the children suddenly died or disappeared? At least the amt wouldn't get any bigger if they disappeared. Little Jr. reports seeing a man all dressed in black take Haleigh, could this be the boyfriend? I'm not saying that the Bio Mom KNEW about this plan, but money as a motivation is awfully powerful.  ::MonkeyShocked::

Here's really creepy for you from another blog:

I am still concerned over what Chad R was wearing when he disappeared. His step-mom said he was wearing his work clothes. Our local Longhorn wears all black...black pants, black T-shirt, black shoes, and black ball cap. I hope she can let us know if that was the type of work clothes he was wearing or not.

That's the missing sex offender Chad as opposed to the fiance Chad right? YIKES. Chad and Chad and Crystal and Crystal... oh my....


Does it bug anyone else that Nancy Grace pronounces Haleigh's name as Little "Hell-lee"? She did that with Caylee Anthony (Little Kell-lee)and it drove me up the dang wall.

Just me? Alrighty then. . ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 08:27:12 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!

WTF?! It's beginning to look like only Ronald can actually pass this polygraph test???!!!

But that was according to Ronald. .  ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: AZSunny on February 23, 2009, 08:27:53 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!

WTF?! It's beginning to look like only Ronald can actually pass this polygraph test???!!!

Wouldn't it depend on whether it was local LE or the FBI that administered the poly?? It may have been sent to Washington along with the others.  who really knows?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: darla on February 23, 2009, 08:27:55 PM
So now LE is looking at bio-Mom's boyfriend? I'm just wondering out loud here...  I wonder if he were to marry Bio Mom, would the state attach HIS wages to pay for her child support? Would the $17,000 debt bio mom owes Ron just go away if the children suddenly died or disappeared? At least the amt wouldn't get any bigger if they disappeared. Little Jr. reports seeing a man all dressed in black take Haleigh, could this be the boyfriend? I'm not saying that the Bio Mom KNEW about this plan, but money as a motivation is awfully powerful.  ::MonkeyShocked::

I believe the figure $17K came from a blog, not from LE.  Let's not add credibility to something, that has not been confirmed. JMO

Whatever the amount, the question still stands. As for adding credibility to something that has not been confirmed, does that mean we can't talk about something until LE confirms it? Is this not a forum to discuss all aspects??

Hi Boo! I'm banned now too lol

Who is Chad R???  Where did he disappear?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Cappuccino on February 23, 2009, 08:28:11 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!

WTF?! It's beginning to look like only Ronald can actually pass this polygraph test???!!!

I think both Ron and Crystal have skeletons in their closet, but this girl has no room to talk about lies & this proves it!   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 08:28:37 PM
So now LE is looking at bio-Mom's boyfriend? I'm just wondering out loud here...  I wonder if he were to marry Bio Mom, would the state attach HIS wages to pay for her child support? Would the $17,000 debt bio mom owes Ron just go away if the children suddenly died or disappeared? At least the amt wouldn't get any bigger if they disappeared. Little Jr. reports seeing a man all dressed in black take Haleigh, could this be the boyfriend? I'm not saying that the Bio Mom KNEW about this plan, but money as a motivation is awfully powerful.  ::MonkeyShocked::

Here's really creepy for you from another blog:

I am still concerned over what Chad R was wearing when he disappeared. His step-mom said he was wearing his work clothes. Our local Longhorn wears all black...black pants, black T-shirt, black shoes, and black ball cap. I hope she can let us know if that was the type of work clothes he was wearing or not.

Now for the kicker from his Step-Mother who is blogging on another fourum answering questions on a daily basis. 

Yes he was wearing that with the exception of the fact that he had won a white tshirt at work that day and had that on over his work stuff.

So this is what Chad Reynolds missing SO was wearing when he disappeared...wow, now ain't that a coincidence?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 08:30:42 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!

WTF?! It's beginning to look like only Ronald can actually pass this polygraph test???!!!

I think both Ron and Crystal have skeletons in their closet, but this girl has no room to talk about lies & this proves it!   

Capp I totally agree.  I think poor Ron has been charged guilty from the get go because he's the man.  IMO they give this "man" too much power.  But we shall see.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Cappuccino on February 23, 2009, 08:31:00 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!

WTF?! It's beginning to look like only Ronald can actually pass this polygraph test???!!!

Wouldn't it depend on whether it was local LE or the FBI that administered the poly?? It may have been sent to Washington along with the others.  who really knows?

NO not even the FBI's goes to Washington...and watch her - her eyes are constantly blinking and looking down or to the left.  Regardless, LE has the results right there, they might not choose to share those results.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 08:31:16 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!

WTF?! It's beginning to look like only Ronald can actually pass this polygraph test???!!!

I think both Ron and Crystal have skeletons in their closet, but this girl has no room to talk about lies & this proves it!   

I'm asking sincerely, proves what?

LE hasn't disclosed the results of Ron's, Misty's or Crystal's polys have they?





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: AZSunny on February 23, 2009, 08:31:25 PM
So now LE is looking at bio-Mom's boyfriend? I'm just wondering out loud here...  I wonder if he were to marry Bio Mom, would the state attach HIS wages to pay for her child support? Would the $17,000 debt bio mom owes Ron just go away if the children suddenly died or disappeared? At least the amt wouldn't get any bigger if they disappeared. Little Jr. reports seeing a man all dressed in black take Haleigh, could this be the boyfriend? I'm not saying that the Bio Mom KNEW about this plan, but money as a motivation is awfully powerful.  ::MonkeyShocked::

Here's really creepy for you from another blog:

I am still concerned over what Chad R was wearing when he disappeared. His step-mom said he was wearing his work clothes. Our local Longhorn wears all black...black pants, black T-shirt, black shoes, and black ball cap. I hope she can let us know if that was the type of work clothes he was wearing or not.

Now for the kicker from his Step-Mother who is blogging on another fourum answering questions on a daily basis. 

Yes he was wearing that with the exception of the fact that he had won a white tshirt at work that day and had that on over his work stuff.

So this is what Chad Reynolds missing SO was wearing when he disappeared...wow, now ain't that a coincidence?


He disappeared?  I thought he was questioned today....damn, I am confused.  This the the finance/stepbrother of Crystal...right???


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: AZSunny on February 23, 2009, 08:32:50 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!

WTF?! It's beginning to look like only Ronald can actually pass this polygraph test???!!!



I think both Ron and Crystal have skeletons in their closet, but this girl has no room to talk about lies & this proves it!   

I'm asking sincerely, proves what?

LE hasn't disclosed the results of Ron's, Misty's or Crystal's polys have they?





That is correct, they have not released this info, and it proves nothing


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 23, 2009, 08:34:21 PM
So now LE is looking at bio-Mom's boyfriend? I'm just wondering out loud here...  I wonder if he were to marry Bio Mom, would the state attach HIS wages to pay for her child support? Would the $17,000 debt bio mom owes Ron just go away if the children suddenly died or disappeared? At least the amt wouldn't get any bigger if they disappeared. Little Jr. reports seeing a man all dressed in black take Haleigh, could this be the boyfriend? I'm not saying that the Bio Mom KNEW about this plan, but money as a motivation is awfully powerful.  ::MonkeyShocked::

Here's really creepy for you from another blog:

I am still concerned over what Chad R was wearing when he disappeared. His step-mom said he was wearing his work clothes. Our local Longhorn wears all black...black pants, black T-shirt, black shoes, and black ball cap. I hope she can let us know if that was the type of work clothes he was wearing or not.

Now for the kicker from his Step-Mother who is blogging on another fourum answering questions on a daily basis. 

Yes he was wearing that with the exception of the fact that he had won a white tshirt at work that day and had that on over his work stuff.

So this is what Chad Reynolds missing SO was wearing when he disappeared...wow, now ain't that a coincidence?

Well that is quite the coincidence, and why is the step mother over on WS talking away is my question for the night. ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 08:35:26 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!

WTF?! It's beginning to look like only Ronald can actually pass this polygraph test???!!!

I think both Ron and Crystal have skeletons in their closet, but this girl has no room to talk about lies & this proves it!   

Capp I totally agree.  I think poor Ron has been charged guilty from the get go because he's the man.  IMO they give this "man" too much power.  But we shall see.


Just so I understand what you're saying, are you saying that you think that the people who have  suspicions or doubts about Ron's veracity feel that way simply b/c he is male?




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 08:35:28 PM
So now LE is looking at bio-Mom's boyfriend? I'm just wondering out loud here...  I wonder if he were to marry Bio Mom, would the state attach HIS wages to pay for her child support? Would the $17,000 debt bio mom owes Ron just go away if the children suddenly died or disappeared? At least the amt wouldn't get any bigger if they disappeared. Little Jr. reports seeing a man all dressed in black take Haleigh, could this be the boyfriend? I'm not saying that the Bio Mom KNEW about this plan, but money as a motivation is awfully powerful.  ::MonkeyShocked::

Here's really creepy for you from another blog:

I am still concerned over what Chad R was wearing when he disappeared. His step-mom said he was wearing his work clothes. Our local Longhorn wears all black...black pants, black T-shirt, black shoes, and black ball cap. I hope she can let us know if that was the type of work clothes he was wearing or not.

Now for the kicker from his Step-Mother who is blogging on another fourum answering questions on a daily basis. 

Yes he was wearing that with the exception of the fact that he had won a white tshirt at work that day and had that on over his work stuff.

So this is what Chad Reynolds missing SO was wearing when he disappeared...wow, now ain't that a coincidence?


He disappeared?  I thought he was questioned today....damn, I am confused.  This the the finance/stepbrother of Crystal...right???

No, this is the missing SO that disappeared the same time/day Haleigh did 2 hrs from her trailer, his prior conviction was breaking into a trailer, armed w/knife than assaulted a child.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Cappuccino on February 23, 2009, 08:35:35 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!

WTF?! It's beginning to look like only Ronald can actually pass this polygraph test???!!!

I think both Ron and Crystal have skeletons in their closet, but this girl has no room to talk about lies & this proves it!   

I'm asking sincerely, proves what?

LE hasn't disclosed the results of Ron's, Misty's or Crystal's polys have they?





It proves that Crystal lies because she would not have been told that the test was going to Washington


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 23, 2009, 08:37:01 PM
So now LE is looking at bio-Mom's boyfriend? I'm just wondering out loud here...  I wonder if he were to marry Bio Mom, would the state attach HIS wages to pay for her child support? Would the $17,000 debt bio mom owes Ron just go away if the children suddenly died or disappeared? At least the amt wouldn't get any bigger if they disappeared. Little Jr. reports seeing a man all dressed in black take Haleigh, could this be the boyfriend? I'm not saying that the Bio Mom KNEW about this plan, but money as a motivation is awfully powerful.  ::MonkeyShocked::

Here's really creepy for you from another blog:

I am still concerned over what Chad R was wearing when he disappeared. His step-mom said he was wearing his work clothes. Our local Longhorn wears all black...black pants, black T-shirt, black shoes, and black ball cap. I hope she can let us know if that was the type of work clothes he was wearing or not.

Now for the kicker from his Step-Mother who is blogging on another fourum answering questions on a daily basis. 

Yes he was wearing that with the exception of the fact that he had won a white tshirt at work that day and had that on over his work stuff.

So this is what Chad Reynolds missing SO was wearing when he disappeared...wow, now ain't that a coincidence?


He disappeared?  I thought he was questioned today....damn, I am confused.  This the the finance/stepbrother of Crystal...right???
Chad Reynolds is the SO who disappeared, and whose step mother is posting over on WS. Chad Griffis or however you spell his last name, is Crystal the bio mom's finance and supposedly her step brother. ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 08:38:17 PM
So now LE is looking at bio-Mom's boyfriend? I'm just wondering out loud here...  I wonder if he were to marry Bio Mom, would the state attach HIS wages to pay for her child support? Would the $17,000 debt bio mom owes Ron just go away if the children suddenly died or disappeared? At least the amt wouldn't get any bigger if they disappeared. Little Jr. reports seeing a man all dressed in black take Haleigh, could this be the boyfriend? I'm not saying that the Bio Mom KNEW about this plan, but money as a motivation is awfully powerful.  ::MonkeyShocked::

Here's really creepy for you from another blog:

I am still concerned over what Chad R was wearing when he disappeared. His step-mom said he was wearing his work clothes. Our local Longhorn wears all black...black pants, black T-shirt, black shoes, and black ball cap. I hope she can let us know if that was the type of work clothes he was wearing or not.

Now for the kicker from his Step-Mother who is blogging on another fourum answering questions on a daily basis. 

Yes he was wearing that with the exception of the fact that he had won a white tshirt at work that day and had that on over his work stuff.

So this is what Chad Reynolds missing SO was wearing when he disappeared...wow, now ain't that a coincidence?


He disappeared?  I thought he was questioned today....damn, I am confused.  This the the finance/stepbrother of Crystal...right???

There are two Chads.

One is Chad G who is Crystal's fiance who was questioned today.

The other is Chad (R?) and is a supposed missing sex offender, (I believe.)




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 23, 2009, 08:38:20 PM
I'm wondering if anyone knows how to tell the truth or if drugs are clouding the thinking. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 08:38:46 PM
I know lots of same names in this case!  Chad Eugene Reynolds.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/02/15/missing-haleigh-cummings-connection-chad-eugene-reynolds-sex-offender-missing-since-february-4-2009-from-ochlawaha-fl/


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: AZSunny on February 23, 2009, 08:39:56 PM
So now LE is looking at bio-Mom's boyfriend? I'm just wondering out loud here...  I wonder if he were to marry Bio Mom, would the state attach HIS wages to pay for her child support? Would the $17,000 debt bio mom owes Ron just go away if the children suddenly died or disappeared? At least the amt wouldn't get any bigger if they disappeared. Little Jr. reports seeing a man all dressed in black take Haleigh, could this be the boyfriend? I'm not saying that the Bio Mom KNEW about this plan, but money as a motivation is awfully powerful.  ::MonkeyShocked::

Here's really creepy for you from another blog:

I am still concerned over what Chad R was wearing when he disappeared. His step-mom said he was wearing his work clothes. Our local Longhorn wears all black...black pants, black T-shirt, black shoes, and black ball cap. I hope she can let us know if that was the type of work clothes he was wearing or not.

Now for the kicker from his Step-Mother who is blogging on another fourum answering questions on a daily basis. 

Yes he was wearing that with the exception of the fact that he had won a white tshirt at work that day and had that on over his work stuff.

So this is what Chad Reynolds missing SO was wearing when he disappeared...wow, now ain't that a coincidence?


He disappeared?  I thought he was questioned today....damn, I am confused.  This the the finance/stepbrother of Crystal...right???

No, this is the missing SO that disappeared the same time/day Haleigh did 2 hrs from her trailer, his prior conviction was breaking into a trailer, armed w/knife than assaulted a child.

Oh,  yes, I remember that...didn't realize his name was Chad also!  geeze? 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 08:40:07 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!

WTF?! It's beginning to look like only Ronald can actually pass this polygraph test???!!!

I think both Ron and Crystal have skeletons in their closet, but this girl has no room to talk about lies & this proves it!   

I'm asking sincerely, proves what?

LE hasn't disclosed the results of Ron's, Misty's or Crystal's polys have they?





It proves that Crystal lies because she would not have been told that the test was going to Washington

With all due respect, I'm just wondering  how you know that?

I mean how do you know where it went for sure? And how do you know what she was told?





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Cappuccino on February 23, 2009, 08:40:38 PM
I'm wondering if anyone knows how to tell the truth or if drugs are clouding the thinking. ::MonkeyConfused::
o sweet rose, they are ALL guilty of sorted crapola, just nothing is connecting any of their lies or past history to why Haleigh is missing yet or if at all


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: AZSunny on February 23, 2009, 08:41:46 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!

WTF?! It's beginning to look like only Ronald can actually pass this polygraph test???!!!

I think both Ron and Crystal have skeletons in their closet, but this girl has no room to talk about lies & this proves it!   

I'm asking sincerely, proves what?

LE hasn't disclosed the results of Ron's, Misty's or Crystal's polys have they?





It proves that Crystal lies because she would not have been told that the test was going to Washington

How do you know that?  it depends on who administers, and who analyzes the results.  Really it doesn't prove anything. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: BooMonkey on February 23, 2009, 08:42:54 PM
So now LE is looking at bio-Mom's boyfriend? I'm just wondering out loud here...  I wonder if he were to marry Bio Mom, would the state attach HIS wages to pay for her child support? Would the $17,000 debt bio mom owes Ron just go away if the children suddenly died or disappeared? At least the amt wouldn't get any bigger if they disappeared. Little Jr. reports seeing a man all dressed in black take Haleigh, could this be the boyfriend? I'm not saying that the Bio Mom KNEW about this plan, but money as a motivation is awfully powerful.  ::MonkeyShocked::

I believe the figure $17K came from a blog, not from LE.  Let's not add credibility to something, that has not been confirmed. JMO

Whatever the amount, the question still stands. As for adding credibility to something that has not been confirmed, does that mean we can't talk about something until LE confirms it? Is this not a forum to discuss all aspects??

Hi Boo! I'm banned now too lol

Who is Chad R???  Where did he disappear?

Hey sweet Darla! When I was banned I just logged back in under a different name!! I don't know Chad R, maybe we can nick name him Chard to keep him separate from Chad. I'm still wading through this case.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 08:44:03 PM
I'm wondering if anyone knows how to tell the truth or if drugs are clouding the thinking. ::MonkeyConfused::
o sweet rose, they are ALL guilty of sorted crapola, just nothing is connecting any of their lies or past history to why Haleigh is missing yet or if at all
At least Crystal has admitted her "doings" or at least made a start at it anyway instead of denying all of everything as if she were a girl scout choir girl who reads the Bible to the blind every other Tuesday and twice on Sunday.






Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Cappuccino on February 23, 2009, 08:47:28 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!

WTF?! It's beginning to look like only Ronald can actually pass this polygraph test???!!!

I think both Ron and Crystal have skeletons in their closet, but this girl has no room to talk about lies & this proves it!   

I'm asking sincerely, proves what?

LE hasn't disclosed the results of Ron's, Misty's or Crystal's polys have they?





It proves that Crystal lies because she would not have been told that the test was going to Washington

How do you know that?  it depends on who administers, and who analyzes the results.  Really it doesn't prove anything. 

Not even the FBI polys go to Washington - and the results are right there in front of them to analyze


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Cappuccino on February 23, 2009, 08:50:04 PM
Rana,

I stated exactly what she said herself on NG just a few minutes ago


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 08:50:07 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!

WTF?! It's beginning to look like only Ronald can actually pass this polygraph test???!!!

I think both Ron and Crystal have skeletons in their closet, but this girl has no room to talk about lies & this proves it!   

I'm asking sincerely, proves what?

LE hasn't disclosed the results of Ron's, Misty's or Crystal's polys have they?





It proves that Crystal lies because she would not have been told that the test was going to Washington

How do you know that?  it depends on who administers, and who analyzes the results.  Really it doesn't prove anything. 

Not even the FBI polys go to Washington - and the results are right there in front of them to analyze


But we don't know what she was told.

 If she is just repeating what she was told......


nevermind.

I'll wait until LE discloses the results to decide.






Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 08:53:24 PM
Rana,

I stated exactly what she said herself on NG just a few minutes ago

I saw the broadcast.

My point is we do not know what she was told.

Just like Ron contends that he was told that he passed or they led him to believe that he passed or they IMPLIED that he passed. That doesn't make him a liar about the poly results, if they TOLD him that .....

....even if it weren't true.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: darla on February 23, 2009, 08:56:45 PM
I heard there was a news conference with Ron this afternoon..does anyone have a link to that?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Cappuccino on February 23, 2009, 08:57:50 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!

WTF?! It's beginning to look like only Ronald can actually pass this polygraph test???!!!

I think both Ron and Crystal have skeletons in their closet, but this girl has no room to talk about lies & this proves it!   

I'm asking sincerely, proves what?

LE hasn't disclosed the results of Ron's, Misty's or Crystal's polys have they?





It proves that Crystal lies because she would not have been told that the test was going to Washington

How do you know that?  it depends on who administers, and who analyzes the results.  Really it doesn't prove anything. 

Not even the FBI polys go to Washington - and the results are right there in front of them to analyze


But we don't know what she was told.

 If she is just repeating what she was told......


nevermind.

I'll wait until LE discloses the results to decide.



You're not listening or you are choosing not to listen...law enforcement would not have told her that the test had to go to Washington


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 23, 2009, 08:58:40 PM
Investigators Re-interview Haleigh's Relatives
Posted By: Jackelyn Barnard     Created: 2/23/2009 7:39:28 PM    Updated: 2/23/2009 7:48:17 PM

SATSUMA, FL -- It's day 14 and there is still no sign of Haleigh Cummings. The five-year-old disappeared from her Satsuma home two weeks ago.

Monday, detectives re-interviewed Haleigh's dad, Ronald Cummings. They also talked to Haleigh's mother's fiance, Chad Griffis, again.

Cummings gave police a piece of paper during his interview.

Detectives told First Coast News the paper was notes of information Cummings had been keeping.

Haleigh's family made a plea to the public once again asking anyone with information to call police.
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http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132046&catid=3



Hi all!

Sorry if this is a repost, I am a bit behind in my reading ;-(


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 08:58:54 PM
I'm wondering if anyone knows how to tell the truth or if drugs are clouding the thinking. ::MonkeyConfused::
o sweet rose, they are ALL guilty of sorted crapola, just nothing is connecting any of their lies or past history to why Haleigh is missing yet or if at all
At least Crystal has admitted her "doings" or at least made a start at it anyway instead of denying all of everything as if she were a girl scout choir girl who reads the Bible to the blind every other Tuesday and twice on Sunday.

Actually Rana, Ronald's words were "I do not do drugs"....not that he never did drugs.  So he did not lie either, its just a case of wording...







Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 23, 2009, 09:06:11 PM
So now LE is looking at bio-Mom's boyfriend? I'm just wondering out loud here...  I wonder if he were to marry Bio Mom, would the state attach HIS wages to pay for her child support? Would the $17,000 debt bio mom owes Ron just go away if the children suddenly died or disappeared? At least the amt wouldn't get any bigger if they disappeared. Little Jr. reports seeing a man all dressed in black take Haleigh, could this be the boyfriend? I'm not saying that the Bio Mom KNEW about this plan, but money as a motivation is awfully powerful.  ::MonkeyShocked::

I believe the figure $17K came from a blog, not from LE.  Let's not add credibility to something, that has not been confirmed. JMO
I got that from Fox Orlando and said it was gossip/altho I did read here that there was a contempt order that very Monday.
We only have one police report.
And I can look at the four and like them ALL for this and could provide motives.
There were custody issues and child support issues at the same time the little one goes missing. These issues and concerns are being brought forward by the media and by us. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 09:19:11 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!

WTF?! It's beginning to look like only Ronald can actually pass this polygraph test???!!!

I think both Ron and Crystal have skeletons in their closet, but this girl has no room to talk about lies & this proves it!   

Capp I totally agree.  I think poor Ron has been charged guilty from the get go because he's the man.  IMO they give this "man" too much power.  But we shall see.


Just so I understand what you're saying, are you saying that you think that the people who have  suspicions or doubts about Ron's veracity feel that way simply b/c he is male?


I'll bring part of one of my post's from earlier forward, it expresses what I think about Ron and etc.

Maybe I work things backwards,  I do not add emotion to what I think in regards to the characters, just look at the case and what is said or done, actions taken by the people, than later add in the feelings of the characters.   Of course you see fear in all these people a 5 yr old child is missing, alledgedly taken from her bed in the middle of the night with the door left open in a locked home and you are in the spot light, under examination, talking to LE about every little thing you have done in your life, all under a microscope, stuff from your past, that you might be done with and have gone on.  Of course there is fear in everyone's eyes a little girl is gone no matter who did it, not all parties know what happened, maybe none of them do and they all have fear in their eyes,  so of course there is fear and screw ups a little girl is gone.  I would have already peed my pants, had a stomping crying jag, beat the crap out of jeraldo and misty, but hey that's where my emotions would have taken me and I'm sure you guys would of classified me as guilty from day one also. JMO


I hear several speculating about alledged abuses of Ron and how a abused person reacts, acts, signs, and I just don't see it the same.  I may be wrong and I'll be the first to admit it and Buy the 1st round.
All physical abuse perpetrated by Ron has been alledged even the order by Crystal was dropped and I just am not buying it 3 yrs later with little girl gone.  Shoulda cried a long time ago now it just sounds like a story about a wolf to me.  JMO


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 09:22:45 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!

WTF?! It's beginning to look like only Ronald can actually pass this polygraph test???!!!

I think both Ron and Crystal have skeletons in their closet, but this girl has no room to talk about lies & this proves it!   

I'm asking sincerely, proves what?

LE hasn't disclosed the results of Ron's, Misty's or Crystal's polys have they?





It proves that Crystal lies because she would not have been told that the test was going to Washington

With all due respect, I'm just wondering  how you know that?

I mean how do you know where it went for sure? And how do you know what she was told?





I agree Rana~no one here was in the room to overhear WHAT she was told, and I found her answer more truthful frankly.........by the way I found this:



Polygraph Examination - Each applicant who successfully completes Phase II testing will be required to successfully complete a polygraph examination in order to continue processing. You will be notified of the date, time, and location of the polygraph test. Polygraph results are not official until they are approved by FBI Headquarters officials in Washington, D.C
 

So, that is definitely a possibility, I'll see what else i can find.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Today on February 23, 2009, 09:24:48 PM
I believe Ron's child haleigh's brother is a jr because he is name after if father- Ron .. ::MonkeyTongue::
Thanks you are right I read it wrong and my mind was in reverse anyway.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 09:30:23 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!

WTF?! It's beginning to look like only Ronald can actually pass this polygraph test???!!!

I think both Ron and Crystal have skeletons in their closet, but this girl has no room to talk about lies & this proves it!   

I'm asking sincerely, proves what?

LE hasn't disclosed the results of Ron's, Misty's or Crystal's polys have they?





It proves that Crystal lies because she would not have been told that the test was going to Washington

With all due respect, I'm just wondering  how you know that?

I mean how do you know where it went for sure? And how do you know what she was told?





I agree Rana~no one here was in the room to overhear WHAT she was told, and I found her answer more truthful frankly.........by the way I found this:



Polygraph Examination - Each applicant who successfully completes Phase II testing will be required to successfully complete a polygraph examination in order to continue processing. You will be notified of the date, time, and location of the polygraph test.

Polygraph results are not official until they are approved by FBI Headquarters officials in Washington, D.C
 

So, that is definitely a possibility, I'll see what else i can find.


Thanks. That was my point - that we don't know what she was told;  Even if a conclusion could be assessed by the person administering the test, the official results could be subject to further approval/scruntiny in Washington or whatever the case may be.





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 23, 2009, 09:32:10 PM
did anyone else notice that during Geraldo's interview with bio mom and her family that the fiance, Chad, could not look into the camera when bio mom was saying that Ron had supposedly told family members that he, Ron was 75% sure who had Haleigh? Also tonight on NG, Crystal said that Chad was being re questioned because of a misunderstanding, that it was actually her brother who had said that Ron told him... ::MonkeyConfused::
does anyone remember who Ron supposedly told about being sure who had Haleigh?
Has anyone ever seen such a fricked up family? I mean on both sides....?  they put the fun in dysfunctional that is for sure!   I am shaking my head the more I read and the more that I hear about the inter relationships, the drugs, the SO s in the family and the surrounding areas....How does any child have a chance in these surroundings? geez!

Crystal reminds me of Susan Smith only in the way that she can not look into the camera or at anyone when she is speaking to them...I don't think that she had anything to do with this, just that Susan Smith would not look at anyone directly either...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 09:35:02 PM
When they were talking about who RC told about the 75% chance issue~did I hear it stated there was someone there from Pensacola?????


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 23, 2009, 09:37:05 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!

WTF?! It's beginning to look like only Ronald can actually pass this polygraph test???!!!

I think both Ron and Crystal have skeletons in their closet, but this girl has no room to talk about lies & this proves it!   

I'm asking sincerely, proves what?

LE hasn't disclosed the results of Ron's, Misty's or Crystal's polys have they?





It proves that Crystal lies because she would not have been told that the test was going to Washington

With all due respect, I'm just wondering  how you know that?

I mean how do you know where it went for sure? And how do you know what she was told?





I agree Rana~no one here was in the room to overhear WHAT she was told, and I found her answer more truthful frankly.........by the way I found this:



Polygraph Examination - Each applicant who successfully completes Phase II testing will be required to successfully complete a polygraph examination in order to continue processing. You will be notified of the date, time, and location of the polygraph test. Polygraph results are not official until they are approved by FBI Headquarters officials in Washington, D.C
 

So, that is definitely a possibility, I'll see what else i can find.



Thank you for the process when taking a polograph...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 09:37:13 PM
did anyone else notice that during Geraldo's interview with bio mom and her family that the fiance, Chad, could not look into the camera when bio mom was saying that Ron had supposedly told family members that he, Ron was 75% sure who had Haleigh? Also tonight on NG, Crystal said that Chad was being re questioned because of a misunderstanding, that it was actually her brother who had said that Ron told him... ::MonkeyConfused::
does anyone remember who Ron supposedly told about being sure who had Haleigh?
Has anyone ever seen such a fricked up family? I mean on both sides....?  they put the fun in dysfunctional that is for sure!   I am shaking my head the more I read and the more that I hear about the inter relationships, the drugs, the SO s in the family and the surrounding areas....How does any child have a chance in these surroundings? geez!

Crystal reminds me of Susan Smith only in the way that she can not look into the camera or at anyone when she is speaking to them...I don't think that she had anything to do with this, just that Susan Smith would not look at anyone directly either...

Sometimes women who have been in abusive relationships  tend to look down frequently and don't make a lot of eye contact.






Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: stayhomemommy on February 23, 2009, 09:41:37 PM
I am just curious--how do these things get so complicated? Is everyone else's life so complicated like this--with all these twists, turns, fights, threats, etc. I just don't get how they can't narrow down an idea at least of what happened to this little girl?? This is crazy!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 09:42:34 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!

WTF?! It's beginning to look like only Ronald can actually pass this polygraph test???!!!

I think both Ron and Crystal have skeletons in their closet, but this girl has no room to talk about lies & this proves it!   

I'm asking sincerely, proves what?

LE hasn't disclosed the results of Ron's, Misty's or Crystal's polys have they?





It proves that Crystal lies because she would not have been told that the test was going to Washington

With all due respect, I'm just wondering  how you know that?

I mean how do you know where it went for sure? And how do you know what she was told?





I agree Rana~no one here was in the room to overhear WHAT she was told, and I found her answer more truthful frankly.........by the way I found this:



Polygraph Examination - Each applicant who successfully completes Phase II testing will be required to successfully complete a polygraph examination in order to continue processing. You will be notified of the date, time, and location of the polygraph test. Polygraph results are not official until they are approved by FBI Headquarters officials in Washington, D.C
 

So, that is definitely a possibility, I'll see what else i can find.



Thank you for the process when taking a polograph...

YW~I am not saying that is always the case,this was just the first link I could find, but I understand the wording in it about being "official",  therefore it is a VALID point that she could have been told this very easily  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 09:43:01 PM
did anyone else notice that during Geraldo's interview with bio mom and her family that the fiance, Chad, could not look into the camera when bio mom was saying that Ron had supposedly told family members that he, Ron was 75% sure who had Haleigh? Also tonight on NG, Crystal said that Chad was being re questioned because of a misunderstanding, that it was actually her brother who had said that Ron told him... ::MonkeyConfused::
does anyone remember who Ron supposedly told about being sure who had Haleigh?
Has anyone ever seen such a fricked up family? I mean on both sides....?  they put the fun in dysfunctional that is for sure!   I am shaking my head the more I read and the more that I hear about the inter relationships, the drugs, the SO s in the family and the surrounding areas....How does any child have a chance in these surroundings? geez!

Crystal reminds me of Susan Smith only in the way that she can not look into the camera or at anyone when she is speaking to them...I don't think that she had anything to do with this, just that Susan Smith would not look at anyone directly either...

Sometimes women who have been in abusive relationships  tend to look down frequently and don't make a lot of eye contact.



It's 3 years past and her little girl is missing....is Chad beating her too??  She's speaking to Nancy Grace not Ron.  She is feeling guilty as a mother IMO, not anything to do with a one supposed bop on the head and verbal abuse that took place almost 5 yrs ago.  She feels guilty that she was not there for her little girl and did not protect while she had the chance.  Sorry but that's how I read it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 23, 2009, 09:47:07 PM
Island....yes you did hear that about the woman from Pensacola...she came there the day that Haleigh was reported missing, did not know anyone in the family but I thought that I heard them say that she is staying in their tent??? And that the first day  that this woman arrived she was talking to Ron and he told this woman who no one knows that he knew 75% who took Haleigh...this is supposedly the 2nd person that he told this to...To a woman who he does not know? How strange that this woman shows up out of the blue and is staying in the tent with the bio mom and her family....anyone else think that strange?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 23, 2009, 09:48:21 PM
Fat Cat...that is how I read the bio mom as well....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 23, 2009, 09:50:34 PM
When they were talking about who RC told about the 75% chance issue~did I hear it stated there was someone there from Pensacola?????
I think it was Pensacola.  Crystals mom said that they didn't know the woman...she just came to help when she heard what had happened and that she was down talking to ron and he told her that he knew 75% that it was Jo, Misty's cousin.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 23, 2009, 09:52:01 PM
did anyone else notice that during Geraldo's interview with bio mom and her family that the fiance, Chad, could not look into the camera when bio mom was saying that Ron had supposedly told family members that he, Ron was 75% sure who had Haleigh? Also tonight on NG, Crystal said that Chad was being re questioned because of a misunderstanding, that it was actually her brother who had said that Ron told him... ::MonkeyConfused::
does anyone remember who Ron supposedly told about being sure who had Haleigh?
Has anyone ever seen such a fricked up family? I mean on both sides....?  they put the fun in dysfunctional that is for sure!   I am shaking my head the more I read and the more that I hear about the inter relationships, the drugs, the SO s in the family and the surrounding areas....How does any child have a chance in these surroundings? geez!

Crystal reminds me of Susan Smith only in the way that she can not look into the camera or at anyone when she is speaking to them...I don't think that she had anything to do with this, just that Susan Smith would not look at anyone directly either...

Sometimes women who have been in abusive relationships  tend to look down frequently and don't make a lot of eye contact.






Well as I see it Ron already had an idea who it might be when he stated in I will kill HIM.

And that he had a gun.. Now did LE find this gun in his home?? ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 09:52:02 PM
did anyone else notice that during Geraldo's interview with bio mom and her family that the fiance, Chad, could not look into the camera when bio mom was saying that Ron had supposedly told family members that he, Ron was 75% sure who had Haleigh? Also tonight on NG, Crystal said that Chad was being re questioned because of a misunderstanding, that it was actually her brother who had said that Ron told him... ::MonkeyConfused::
does anyone remember who Ron supposedly told about being sure who had Haleigh?
Has anyone ever seen such a fricked up family? I mean on both sides....?  they put the fun in dysfunctional that is for sure!   I am shaking my head the more I read and the more that I hear about the inter relationships, the drugs, the SO s in the family and the surrounding areas....How does any child have a chance in these surroundings? geez!

Crystal reminds me of Susan Smith only in the way that she can not look into the camera or at anyone when she is speaking to them...I don't think that she had anything to do with this, just that Susan Smith would not look at anyone directly either...

Sometimes women who have been in abusive relationships  tend to look down frequently and don't make a lot of eye contact.



It's 3 years past and her little girl is missing....is Chad beating her too??  She's speaking to Nancy Grace not Ron.  She is feeling guilty as a mother IMO, not anything to do with a one supposed bop on the head and verbal abuse that took place almost 5 yrs ago.  She feels guilty that she was not there for her little girl and did not protect while she had the chance.  Sorry but that's how I read it.


Chad doesn't have to "beat her" for to have or show lasting effects of what happened to her in her past, be it 5 years or 10 or fill in the blank, particularly when discussing that subject.






Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 09:52:38 PM
did anyone else notice that during Geraldo's interview with bio mom and her family that the fiance, Chad, could not look into the camera when bio mom was saying that Ron had supposedly told family members that he, Ron was 75% sure who had Haleigh? Also tonight on NG, Crystal said that Chad was being re questioned because of a misunderstanding, that it was actually her brother who had said that Ron told him... ::MonkeyConfused::
does anyone remember who Ron supposedly told about being sure who had Haleigh?
Has anyone ever seen such a fricked up family? I mean on both sides....?  they put the fun in dysfunctional that is for sure!   I am shaking my head the more I read and the more that I hear about the inter relationships, the drugs, the SO s in the family and the surrounding areas....How does any child have a chance in these surroundings? geez!

Crystal reminds me of Susan Smith only in the way that she can not look into the camera or at anyone when she is speaking to them...I don't think that she had anything to do with this, just that Susan Smith would not look at anyone directly either...

Sometimes women who have been in abusive relationships  tend to look down frequently and don't make a lot of eye contact.



It's 3 years past and her little girl is missing....is Chad beating her too??  She's speaking to Nancy Grace not Ron.  She is feeling guilty as a mother IMO, not anything to do with a one supposed bop on the head and verbal abuse that took place almost 5 yrs ago.  She feels guilty that she was not there for her little girl and did not protect while she had the chance.  Sorry but that's how I read it.

I was never abused, but several on this thread over the past couple of days have been.....I have no clue as to how quickly one recovers, but I will defer to their past experiences regarding that topic....she may very well feel guilty, my ex's ex did everything she could to get back into court and modify custody, even when he was indicted the courts fined her for the "court date and expenses which my ex stated as over 15,000 dollars", but in the end my stepsons refuse to see, speak or have anything to do with their dad. My oldest is getting married, he's the one without an invite. Very sad, but appropriate for all the h@ll they endured ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 23, 2009, 09:54:38 PM
Ok, let's see if I can get this in the right forum this time.  ::MonkeyTongue::

Dunno how many believe in what psychic's sense.  I've seen hit and miss in several different cases.  I often of take a 'lets wait and see' attitude.  So for what it's worth, here's one psychic's take on this case.  We won't have to wait long to see if what this one senses is spot on or not:

http://bobcaterino.wordpress.com/2009/02/23/haleigh-cummingsmy-psychic-reading/ (http://bobcaterino.wordpress.com/2009/02/23/haleigh-cummingsmy-psychic-reading/)

"The day this child went missing I saw that something was not lining up. I see the child as alive. The father, Ronald Cummings was working at the time the child was missing. His live in girlfriend of 17 was in charge of the children.

The girlfriend would sneak out once again in the name of fun, and always come home before the Childs father would. She knows the routine so well and has done this before. Earlier that morning, the seventeen year old has a relative over. He stole something from the home and the small childs father would discover it missing. They argued and the relative would walk away angry only to wait until the father would go to work. He was heading towards the home where he hid in the shadows and the seventeen year old was spotted leaving the home.

The relative would head over to the home still angry and found the door unlocked. He went in and sought revenge. He took the child and simply drove away. They were spotted in Knoxville but will be found on Tuesday Feb. 24th, ten miles before Nashville in a small community. The relative is trying to sell the child.

When we place our children in the hands of children, sometimes it’s as if we just don’t care but other times it is what we have to do. The seventeen year old girl living with the Father of these small children will be charged with obstruction. She will say that she is sorry but she just didn’t want her man to find out that she left the home. The girl will be found and all will get what is coming to them."



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 23, 2009, 09:56:10 PM
did anyone else notice that during Geraldo's interview with bio mom and her family that the fiance, Chad, could not look into the camera when bio mom was saying that Ron had supposedly told family members that he, Ron was 75% sure who had Haleigh? Also tonight on NG, Crystal said that Chad was being re questioned because of a misunderstanding, that it was actually her brother who had said that Ron told him... ::MonkeyConfused::
does anyone remember who Ron supposedly told about being sure who had Haleigh?
Has anyone ever seen such a fricked up family? I mean on both sides....?  they put the fun in dysfunctional that is for sure!   I am shaking my head the more I read and the more that I hear about the inter relationships, the drugs, the SO s in the family and the surrounding areas....How does any child have a chance in these surroundings? geez!

Crystal reminds me of Susan Smith only in the way that she can not look into the camera or at anyone when she is speaking to them...I don't think that she had anything to do with this, just that Susan Smith would not look at anyone directly either...

Sometimes women who have been in abusive relationships  tend to look down frequently and don't make a lot of eye contact.






Well as I see it Ron already had an idea who it might be when he stated in I will kill HIM.

And that he had a gun.. Now did LE find this gun in his home?? ::MonkeyTongue::
It was found in the ditch.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 23, 2009, 09:56:18 PM
did anyone else notice that during Geraldo's interview with bio mom and her family that the fiance, Chad, could not look into the camera when bio mom was saying that Ron had supposedly told family members that he, Ron was 75% sure who had Haleigh? Also tonight on NG, Crystal said that Chad was being re questioned because of a misunderstanding, that it was actually her brother who had said that Ron told him... ::MonkeyConfused::
does anyone remember who Ron supposedly told about being sure who had Haleigh?
Has anyone ever seen such a fricked up family? I mean on both sides....?  they put the fun in dysfunctional that is for sure!   I am shaking my head the more I read and the more that I hear about the inter relationships, the drugs, the SO s in the family and the surrounding areas....How does any child have a chance in these surroundings? geez!

Crystal reminds me of Susan Smith only in the way that she can not look into the camera or at anyone when she is speaking to them...I don't think that she had anything to do with this, just that Susan Smith would not look at anyone directly either...

Sometimes women who have been in abusive relationships  tend to look down frequently and don't make a lot of eye contact.



It's 3 years past and her little girl is missing....is Chad beating her too??  She's speaking to Nancy Grace not Ron.  She is feeling guilty as a mother IMO, not anything to do with a one supposed bop on the head and verbal abuse that took place almost 5 yrs ago.  She feels guilty that she was not there for her little girl and did not protect while she had the chance.  Sorry but that's how I read it.

I was never abused, but several on this thread over the past couple of days have been.....I have no clue as to how quickly one recovers, but I will defer to their past experiences regarding that topic....she may very well feel guilty, my ex's ex did everything she could to get back into court and modify custody, even when he was indicted the courts fined her for the "court date and expenses which my ex stated as over 15,000 dollars", but in the end my stepsons refuse to see, speak or have anything to do with their dad. My oldest is getting married, he's the one without an invite. Very sad, but appropriate for all the h@ll they endured ::MonkeyNoNo::

You never recover....You loose self -respect , self -esteem, lost years, and keep on thinking

why did I let this happen..... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 09:57:23 PM
did anyone else notice that during Geraldo's interview with bio mom and her family that the fiance, Chad, could not look into the camera when bio mom was saying that Ron had supposedly told family members that he, Ron was 75% sure who had Haleigh? Also tonight on NG, Crystal said that Chad was being re questioned because of a misunderstanding, that it was actually her brother who had said that Ron told him... ::MonkeyConfused::
does anyone remember who Ron supposedly told about being sure who had Haleigh?
Has anyone ever seen such a fricked up family? I mean on both sides....?  they put the fun in dysfunctional that is for sure!   I am shaking my head the more I read and the more that I hear about the inter relationships, the drugs, the SO s in the family and the surrounding areas....How does any child have a chance in these surroundings? geez!

Crystal reminds me of Susan Smith only in the way that she can not look into the camera or at anyone when she is speaking to them...I don't think that she had anything to do with this, just that Susan Smith would not look at anyone directly either...

Sometimes women who have been in abusive relationships  tend to look down frequently and don't make a lot of eye contact.



It's 3 years past and her little girl is missing....is Chad beating her too??  She's speaking to Nancy Grace not Ron.  She is feeling guilty as a mother IMO, not anything to do with a one supposed bop on the head and verbal abuse that took place almost 5 yrs ago.  She feels guilty that she was not there for her little girl and did not protect while she had the chance.  Sorry but that's how I read it.

I was never abused, but several on this thread over the past couple of days have been.....I have no clue as to how quickly one recovers, but I will defer to their past experiences regarding that topic....she may very well feel guilty, my ex's ex did everything she could to get back into court and modify custody, even when he was indicted the courts fined her for the "court date and expenses which my ex stated as over 15,000 dollars", but in the end my stepsons refuse to see, speak or have anything to do with their dad. My oldest is getting married, he's the one without an invite. Very sad, but appropriate for all the h@ll they endured ::MonkeyNoNo::

I've never been abused either but I have compassion for those who have and I'm very familiar with the whole syndrome.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 09:57:24 PM
When they were talking about who RC told about the 75% chance issue~did I hear it stated there was someone there from Pensacola?????
I think it was Pensacola.  Crystals mom said that they didn't know the woman...she just came to help when she heard what had happened and that she was down talking to ron and he told her that he knew 75% that it was Jo, Misty's cousin.

Just curious, I was in the kitchen and heard that and wasn't sure....I live at Pensacola Beach and work in Pensacola........what I'd give to know who that was? I'd find a way to pick her brain ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 09:59:22 PM
did anyone else notice that during Geraldo's interview with bio mom and her family that the fiance, Chad, could not look into the camera when bio mom was saying that Ron had supposedly told family members that he, Ron was 75% sure who had Haleigh? Also tonight on NG, Crystal said that Chad was being re questioned because of a misunderstanding, that it was actually her brother who had said that Ron told him... ::MonkeyConfused::
does anyone remember who Ron supposedly told about being sure who had Haleigh?
Has anyone ever seen such a fricked up family? I mean on both sides....?  they put the fun in dysfunctional that is for sure!   I am shaking my head the more I read and the more that I hear about the inter relationships, the drugs, the SO s in the family and the surrounding areas....How does any child have a chance in these surroundings? geez!

Crystal reminds me of Susan Smith only in the way that she can not look into the camera or at anyone when she is speaking to them...I don't think that she had anything to do with this, just that Susan Smith would not look at anyone directly either...

Cookie~both side seem to give a new meaning to clusterf@ck............I don't know how many more of these crazy cases I can take ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 23, 2009, 10:01:32 PM
When they were talking about who RC told about the 75% chance issue~did I hear it stated there was someone there from Pensacola?????
I think it was Pensacola.  Crystals mom said that they didn't know the woman...she just came to help when she heard what had happened and that she was down talking to ron and he told her that he knew 75% that it was Jo, Misty's cousin.

Just curious, I was in the kitchen and heard that and wasn't sure....I live at Pensacola Beach and work in Pensacola........what I'd give to know who that was? I'd find a way to pick her brain ::MonkeyTongue::
I think she said her first name was Teresa...Does anyone else remember?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 10:01:51 PM
did anyone else notice that during Geraldo's interview with bio mom and her family that the fiance, Chad, could not look into the camera when bio mom was saying that Ron had supposedly told family members that he, Ron was 75% sure who had Haleigh? Also tonight on NG, Crystal said that Chad was being re questioned because of a misunderstanding, that it was actually her brother who had said that Ron told him... ::MonkeyConfused::
does anyone remember who Ron supposedly told about being sure who had Haleigh?
Has anyone ever seen such a fricked up family? I mean on both sides....?  they put the fun in dysfunctional that is for sure!   I am shaking my head the more I read and the more that I hear about the inter relationships, the drugs, the SO s in the family and the surrounding areas....How does any child have a chance in these surroundings? geez!

Crystal reminds me of Susan Smith only in the way that she can not look into the camera or at anyone when she is speaking to them...I don't think that she had anything to do with this, just that Susan Smith would not look at anyone directly either...

Sometimes women who have been in abusive relationships  tend to look down frequently and don't make a lot of eye contact.






Well as I see it Ron already had an idea who it might be when he stated in I will kill HIM.

And that he had a gun.. Now did LE find this gun in his home?? ::MonkeyTongue::

I'm going from memory, but IIRC I thought the LE noted one on the police incident report ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 23, 2009, 10:04:11 PM
did anyone else notice that during Geraldo's interview with bio mom and her family that the fiance, Chad, could not look into the camera when bio mom was saying that Ron had supposedly told family members that he, Ron was 75% sure who had Haleigh? Also tonight on NG, Crystal said that Chad was being re questioned because of a misunderstanding, that it was actually her brother who had said that Ron told him... ::MonkeyConfused::
does anyone remember who Ron supposedly told about being sure who had Haleigh?
Has anyone ever seen such a fricked up family? I mean on both sides....?  they put the fun in dysfunctional that is for sure!   I am shaking my head the more I read and the more that I hear about the inter relationships, the drugs, the SO s in the family and the surrounding areas....How does any child have a chance in these surroundings? geez!

Crystal reminds me of Susan Smith only in the way that she can not look into the camera or at anyone when she is speaking to them...I don't think that she had anything to do with this, just that Susan Smith would not look at anyone directly either...

Sometimes women who have been in abusive relationships  tend to look down frequently and don't make a lot of eye contact.



It's 3 years past and her little girl is missing....is Chad beating her too??  She's speaking to Nancy Grace not Ron.  She is feeling guilty as a mother IMO, not anything to do with a one supposed bop on the head and verbal abuse that took place almost 5 yrs ago.  She feels guilty that she was not there for her little girl and did not protect while she had the chance.  Sorry but that's how I read it.

I was never abused, but several on this thread over the past couple of days have been.....I have no clue as to how quickly one recovers, but I will defer to their past experiences regarding that topic....she may very well feel guilty, my ex's ex did everything she could to get back into court and modify custody, even when he was indicted the courts fined her for the "court date and expenses which my ex stated as over 15,000 dollars", but in the end my stepsons refuse to see, speak or have anything to do with their dad. My oldest is getting married, he's the one without an invite. Very sad, but appropriate for all the h@ll they endured ::MonkeyNoNo::

You never recover....You loose self -respect , self -esteem, lost years, and keep on thinking

why did I let this happen..... ::MonkeyTongue::
Bless your heart Jerseygirl.  (((((((((huggs))))))))))


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 10:05:34 PM
did anyone else notice that during Geraldo's interview with bio mom and her family that the fiance, Chad, could not look into the camera when bio mom was saying that Ron had supposedly told family members that he, Ron was 75% sure who had Haleigh? Also tonight on NG, Crystal said that Chad was being re questioned because of a misunderstanding, that it was actually her brother who had said that Ron told him... ::MonkeyConfused::
does anyone remember who Ron supposedly told about being sure who had Haleigh?
Has anyone ever seen such a fricked up family? I mean on both sides....?  they put the fun in dysfunctional that is for sure!   I am shaking my head the more I read and the more that I hear about the inter relationships, the drugs, the SO s in the family and the surrounding areas....How does any child have a chance in these surroundings? geez!

Crystal reminds me of Susan Smith only in the way that she can not look into the camera or at anyone when she is speaking to them...I don't think that she had anything to do with this, just that Susan Smith would not look at anyone directly either...

Sometimes women who have been in abusive relationships  tend to look down frequently and don't make a lot of eye contact.



It's 3 years past and her little girl is missing....is Chad beating her too??  She's speaking to Nancy Grace not Ron.  She is feeling guilty as a mother IMO, not anything to do with a one supposed bop on the head and verbal abuse that took place almost 5 yrs ago.  She feels guilty that she was not there for her little girl and did not protect while she had the chance.  Sorry but that's how I read it.


Chad doesn't have to "beat her" for to have or show lasting effects of what happened to her in her past, be it 5 years or 10 or fill in the blank, particularly when discussing that subject.






And this goes to my point earlier about looking at men differently imo even much later in their lives,  they see all as bad and it clouds judgement.  I just don't see what some see, In Crystal I see guilt, not an abused fearfull woman, I also see alot of drug use behaviors like in the one video w/Greta where she rocked thru out the entire video, practically rocked right out of her seat, forgetfulness, confusing her thoughts even after she has just stated them not five minutes before, like on the NG video. not at all normal imo.  And we are not seeing this type of behavior from any of the other characters.  Did you see Misty's defiant video w/Greta?  A totally new personality was shown on this vid.  Not a meek, downtrodden, abused little girl imo.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 10:06:04 PM
did anyone else notice that during Geraldo's interview with bio mom and her family that the fiance, Chad, could not look into the camera when bio mom was saying that Ron had supposedly told family members that he, Ron was 75% sure who had Haleigh? Also tonight on NG, Crystal said that Chad was being re questioned because of a misunderstanding, that it was actually her brother who had said that Ron told him... ::MonkeyConfused::
does anyone remember who Ron supposedly told about being sure who had Haleigh?
Has anyone ever seen such a fricked up family? I mean on both sides....?  they put the fun in dysfunctional that is for sure!   I am shaking my head the more I read and the more that I hear about the inter relationships, the drugs, the SO s in the family and the surrounding areas....How does any child have a chance in these surroundings? geez!

Crystal reminds me of Susan Smith only in the way that she can not look into the camera or at anyone when she is speaking to them...I don't think that she had anything to do with this, just that Susan Smith would not look at anyone directly either...

Sometimes women who have been in abusive relationships  tend to look down frequently and don't make a lot of eye contact.



It's 3 years past and her little girl is missing....is Chad beating her too??  She's speaking to Nancy Grace not Ron.  She is feeling guilty as a mother IMO, not anything to do with a one supposed bop on the head and verbal abuse that took place almost 5 yrs ago.  She feels guilty that she was not there for her little girl and did not protect while she had the chance.  Sorry but that's how I read it.

I was never abused, but several on this thread over the past couple of days have been.....I have no clue as to how quickly one recovers, but I will defer to their past experiences regarding that topic....she may very well feel guilty, my ex's ex did everything she could to get back into court and modify custody, even when he was indicted the courts fined her for the "court date and expenses which my ex stated as over 15,000 dollars", but in the end my stepsons refuse to see, speak or have anything to do with their dad. My oldest is getting married, he's the one without an invite. Very sad, but appropriate for all the h@ll they endured ::MonkeyNoNo::

You never recover....You loose self -respect , self -esteem, lost years, and keep on thinking

why did I let this happen..... ::MonkeyTongue::

Thanks for sharing JG~ I knew someone would be able to explain it better than I could. My hat's off to all who had the courage to escape their abusers-y'all rock. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 10:09:55 PM
did anyone else notice that during Geraldo's interview with bio mom and her family that the fiance, Chad, could not look into the camera when bio mom was saying that Ron had supposedly told family members that he, Ron was 75% sure who had Haleigh? Also tonight on NG, Crystal said that Chad was being re questioned because of a misunderstanding, that it was actually her brother who had said that Ron told him... ::MonkeyConfused::
does anyone remember who Ron supposedly told about being sure who had Haleigh?
Has anyone ever seen such a fricked up family? I mean on both sides....?  they put the fun in dysfunctional that is for sure!   I am shaking my head the more I read and the more that I hear about the inter relationships, the drugs, the SO s in the family and the surrounding areas....How does any child have a chance in these surroundings? geez!

Crystal reminds me of Susan Smith only in the way that she can not look into the camera or at anyone when she is speaking to them...I don't think that she had anything to do with this, just that Susan Smith would not look at anyone directly either...

Sometimes women who have been in abusive relationships  tend to look down frequently and don't make a lot of eye contact.



It's 3 years past and her little girl is missing....is Chad beating her too??  She's speaking to Nancy Grace not Ron.  She is feeling guilty as a mother IMO, not anything to do with a one supposed bop on the head and verbal abuse that took place almost 5 yrs ago.  She feels guilty that she was not there for her little girl and did not protect while she had the chance.  Sorry but that's how I read it.

I was never abused, but several on this thread over the past couple of days have been.....I have no clue as to how quickly one recovers, but I will defer to their past experiences regarding that topic....she may very well feel guilty, my ex's ex did everything she could to get back into court and modify custody, even when he was indicted the courts fined her for the "court date and expenses which my ex stated as over 15,000 dollars", but in the end my stepsons refuse to see, speak or have anything to do with their dad. My oldest is getting married, he's the one without an invite. Very sad, but appropriate for all the h@ll they endured ::MonkeyNoNo::

You never recover....You loose self -respect , self -esteem, lost years, and keep on thinking

why did I let this happen..... ::MonkeyTongue::

Thanks for sharing JG~ I knew someone would be able to explain it better than I could. My hat's off to all who had the courage to escape their abusers-y'all rock. ::MonkeyWink::

Ditto on the y'all rockin! .  ::MonkeyCool::


 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 23, 2009, 10:12:23 PM
did anyone else notice that during Geraldo's interview with bio mom and her family that the fiance, Chad, could not look into the camera when bio mom was saying that Ron had supposedly told family members that he, Ron was 75% sure who had Haleigh? Also tonight on NG, Crystal said that Chad was being re questioned because of a misunderstanding, that it was actually her brother who had said that Ron told him... ::MonkeyConfused::
does anyone remember who Ron supposedly told about being sure who had Haleigh?
Has anyone ever seen such a fricked up family? I mean on both sides....?  they put the fun in dysfunctional that is for sure!   I am shaking my head the more I read and the more that I hear about the inter relationships, the drugs, the SO s in the family and the surrounding areas....How does any child have a chance in these surroundings? geez!

Crystal reminds me of Susan Smith only in the way that she can not look into the camera or at anyone when she is speaking to them...I don't think that she had anything to do with this, just that Susan Smith would not look at anyone directly either...

Sometimes women who have been in abusive relationships  tend to look down frequently and don't make a lot of eye contact.



It's 3 years past and her little girl is missing....is Chad beating her too??  She's speaking to Nancy Grace not Ron.  She is feeling guilty as a mother IMO, not anything to do with a one supposed bop on the head and verbal abuse that took place almost 5 yrs ago.  She feels guilty that she was not there for her little girl and did not protect while she had the chance.  Sorry but that's how I read it.

I was never abused, but several on this thread over the past couple of days have been.....I have no clue as to how quickly one recovers, but I will defer to their past experiences regarding that topic....she may very well feel guilty, my ex's ex did everything she could to get back into court and modify custody, even when he was indicted the courts fined her for the "court date and expenses which my ex stated as over 15,000 dollars", but in the end my stepsons refuse to see, speak or have anything to do with their dad. My oldest is getting married, he's the one without an invite. Very sad, but appropriate for all the h@ll they endured ::MonkeyNoNo::

You never recover....You loose self -respect , self -esteem, lost years, and keep on thinking

why did I let this happen..... ::MonkeyTongue::

Thanks for sharing JG~ I knew someone would be able to explain it better than I could. My hat's off to all who had the courage to escape their abusers-y'all rock. ::MonkeyWink::

Ditto on the y'all rockin! .  ::MonkeyCool::


 

Thank You Monkey's .. I see have a ways to go.. But it made me strong... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 23, 2009, 10:13:48 PM
did anyone else notice that during Geraldo's interview with bio mom and her family that the fiance, Chad, could not look into the camera when bio mom was saying that Ron had supposedly told family members that he, Ron was 75% sure who had Haleigh? Also tonight on NG, Crystal said that Chad was being re questioned because of a misunderstanding, that it was actually her brother who had said that Ron told him... ::MonkeyConfused::
does anyone remember who Ron supposedly told about being sure who had Haleigh?
Has anyone ever seen such a fricked up family? I mean on both sides....?  they put the fun in dysfunctional that is for sure!   I am shaking my head the more I read and the more that I hear about the inter relationships, the drugs, the SO s in the family and the surrounding areas....How does any child have a chance in these surroundings? geez!

Crystal reminds me of Susan Smith only in the way that she can not look into the camera or at anyone when she is speaking to them...I don't think that she had anything to do with this, just that Susan Smith would not look at anyone directly either...

Sometimes women who have been in abusive relationships  tend to look down frequently and don't make a lot of eye contact.



It's 3 years past and her little girl is missing....is Chad beating her too??  She's speaking to Nancy Grace not Ron.  She is feeling guilty as a mother IMO, not anything to do with a one supposed bop on the head and verbal abuse that took place almost 5 yrs ago.  She feels guilty that she was not there for her little girl and did not protect while she had the chance.  Sorry but that's how I read it.

I was never abused, but several on this thread over the past couple of days have been.....I have no clue as to how quickly one recovers, but I will defer to their past experiences regarding that topic....she may very well feel guilty, my ex's ex did everything she could to get back into court and modify custody, even when he was indicted the courts fined her for the "court date and expenses which my ex stated as over 15,000 dollars", but in the end my stepsons refuse to see, speak or have anything to do with their dad. My oldest is getting married, he's the one without an invite. Very sad, but appropriate for all the h@ll they endured ::MonkeyNoNo::

You never recover....You loose self -respect , self -esteem, lost years, and keep on thinking

why did I let this happen..... ::MonkeyTongue::

Thanks for sharing JG~ I knew someone would be able to explain it better than I could. My hat's off to all who had the courage to escape their abusers-y'all rock. ::MonkeyWink::

Ditto on the y'all rockin! .  ::MonkeyCool::


 

Thank You Monkey's .. I see have a ways to go.. But it made me strong... ::MonkeyTongue::

Sorry about the spelling error see should of still... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 10:17:27 PM
did anyone else notice that during Geraldo's interview with bio mom and her family that the fiance, Chad, could not look into the camera when bio mom was saying that Ron had supposedly told family members that he, Ron was 75% sure who had Haleigh? Also tonight on NG, Crystal said that Chad was being re questioned because of a misunderstanding, that it was actually her brother who had said that Ron told him... ::MonkeyConfused::
does anyone remember who Ron supposedly told about being sure who had Haleigh?
Has anyone ever seen such a fricked up family? I mean on both sides....?  they put the fun in dysfunctional that is for sure!   I am shaking my head the more I read and the more that I hear about the inter relationships, the drugs, the SO s in the family and the surrounding areas....How does any child have a chance in these surroundings? geez!

Crystal reminds me of Susan Smith only in the way that she can not look into the camera or at anyone when she is speaking to them...I don't think that she had anything to do with this, just that Susan Smith would not look at anyone directly either...

Sometimes women who have been in abusive relationships  tend to look down frequently and don't make a lot of eye contact.



It's 3 years past and her little girl is missing....is Chad beating her too??  She's speaking to Nancy Grace not Ron.  She is feeling guilty as a mother IMO, not anything to do with a one supposed bop on the head and verbal abuse that took place almost 5 yrs ago.  She feels guilty that she was not there for her little girl and did not protect while she had the chance.  Sorry but that's how I read it.

I was never abused, but several on this thread over the past couple of days have been.....I have no clue as to how quickly one recovers, but I will defer to their past experiences regarding that topic....she may very well feel guilty, my ex's ex did everything she could to get back into court and modify custody, even when he was indicted the courts fined her for the "court date and expenses which my ex stated as over 15,000 dollars", but in the end my stepsons refuse to see, speak or have anything to do with their dad. My oldest is getting married, he's the one without an invite. Very sad, but appropriate for all the h@ll they endured ::MonkeyNoNo::

You never recover....You loose self -respect , self -esteem, lost years, and keep on thinking

why did I let this happen..... ::MonkeyTongue::

Thanks for sharing JG~ I knew someone would be able to explain it better than I could. My hat's off to all who had the courage to escape their abusers-y'all rock. ::MonkeyWink::

Ditto on the y'all rockin! .  ::MonkeyCool::


 

Thank You Monkey's .. I see have a ways to go.. But it made me strong... ::MonkeyTongue::

But you are well on your way!!! My son still has lingering effects from his abuse and that was 6yrs ago......I suspect it is something you learn to live with rather than truly just "getting over it".


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 23, 2009, 10:21:15 PM
congrats to all the women who have escaped their abusers...respect for sure!

Greta is talking about the case now....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 10:24:02 PM
congrats to all the women who have escaped their abusers...respect for sure!

Greta is talking about the case now....


 ::MonkeyWaa:: crap~I just started watching a movie.....if you hear anything good pls relay.......if you don't mind.

Thanks

IM


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 23, 2009, 10:25:55 PM
Family services have been to the home of Ron's in the past year....On greta ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 23, 2009, 10:26:23 PM

I did volunteer work for a  safe house for battered women and children.  My job was a court ******* to gather statstics on the cases in the county....how many were dismissed....how many men were found guilty or not. All of these women had that same look in their eyes, carried themselves with no self-esteem and had been beaten down so much that the large majority would ask for charges to be dropped...mostly out of fear (as he would be standing right there beside her).  They would come in with a black eye, sling on their arm bruises and say oh it was just an accident or I hit him first.  You would see them cycle through the system more than once and sometimes they would finally stand up for themselves sometimes not.  Many did not fight the father for custody.  They didn't have the resources, jobs, money or self-esteem to feel like they even deserved them by the time they got that far. 

I wouldn't read too much into her not getting custody.....it is truley amazing what can happen in court.  Alot of women would have to just get out and get safe, try to start a new life and then go back after custody of the children.

I don't know if any of this relates to this case or not but it's a possability and as I have stated they both need to be checked out thoroughly.  I will say that I have no respect for a man that talks to women the way Ron did and wether he hit Haleigh or not she would be a victim of the verbal abuse and his anger scares me!!  JMO


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 23, 2009, 10:26:26 PM
greta is suspicious of the bio mom it sounds like...why doesn't she have custody...same old same old I am afraid....

looking into reports that Misty may have not been home per a reporter....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 23, 2009, 10:27:08 PM
Family services have been to the home of Ron's in the past year....On greta ::MonkeyTongue::
Did she say for what? Thanks


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 23, 2009, 10:27:27 PM
did anyone else notice that during Geraldo's interview with bio mom and her family that the fiance, Chad, could not look into the camera when bio mom was saying that Ron had supposedly told family members that he, Ron was 75% sure who had Haleigh? Also tonight on NG, Crystal said that Chad was being re questioned because of a misunderstanding, that it was actually her brother who had said that Ron told him... ::MonkeyConfused::
does anyone remember who Ron supposedly told about being sure who had Haleigh?
Has anyone ever seen such a fricked up family? I mean on both sides....?  they put the fun in dysfunctional that is for sure!   I am shaking my head the more I read and the more that I hear about the inter relationships, the drugs, the SO s in the family and the surrounding areas....How does any child have a chance in these surroundings? geez!

Crystal reminds me of Susan Smith only in the way that she can not look into the camera or at anyone when she is speaking to them...I don't think that she had anything to do with this, just that Susan Smith would not look at anyone directly either...

Sometimes women who have been in abusive relationships  tend to look down frequently and don't make a lot of eye contact.






Well as I see it Ron already had an idea who it might be when he stated in I will kill HIM.

And that he had a gun.. Now did LE find this gun in his home?? ::MonkeyTongue::

I'm going from memory, but IIRC I thought the LE noted one on the police incident report ::MonkeyTongue::

Here's the only reference to a gun in the police report that I could find:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image76.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 23, 2009, 10:29:11 PM
dottie...thanks for that info, and I agree his anger and the look in his eyes scares me.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 10:29:24 PM
Family services have been to the home of Ron's in the past year....On greta ::MonkeyTongue::
Did she say for what? Thanks


Probably to inform him on DCF procedures for discipline ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 23, 2009, 10:30:21 PM

I did volunteer work for a  safe house for battered women and children.  My job was a court ******* to gather statstics on the cases in the county....how many were dismissed....how many men were found guilty or not. All of these women had that same look in their eyes, carried themselves with no self-esteem and had been beaten down so much that the large majority would ask for charges to be dropped...mostly out of fear (as he would be standing right there beside her).  They would come in with a black eye, sling on their arm bruises and say oh it was just an accident or I hit him first.  You would see them cycle through the system more than once and sometimes they would finally stand up for themselves sometimes not.  Many did not fight the father for custody.  They didn't have the resources, jobs, money or self-esteem to feel like they even deserved them by the time they got that far. 

I wouldn't read too much into her not getting custody.....it is truley amazing what can happen in court.  Alot of women would have to just get out and get safe, try to start a new life and then go back after custody of the children.

I don't know if any of this relates to this case or not but it's a possability and as I have stated they both need to be checked out thoroughly.  I will say that I have no respect for a man that talks to women the way Ron did and wether he hit Haleigh or not she would be a victim of the verbal abuse and his anger scares me!!  JMO

Its not good for the children to see him using the language he uses in front of the children.. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 23, 2009, 10:31:18 PM
Family services have been to the home of Ron's in the past year....On greta ::MonkeyTongue::
Did she say for what? Thanks


Probably to inform him on DCF procedures for discipline ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
I almost fell over when he made that comment.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 23, 2009, 10:31:35 PM
Family services have been to the home of Ron's in the past year....On greta ::MonkeyTongue::
Did she say for what? Thanks


Probably to inform him on DCF procedures for discipline ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Nothing on why DCF  were there... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 23, 2009, 10:32:04 PM
DCFS could have been to the home for reports made to their office by someone who is pissy with Ron? just a question to throw out there....If someone calls even anonymously,don't they have to investigate? Or maybe there was some concern on parenting...doesn't always mean abuse when they visit does it? just asking as I really have no experience with DCFS .....
I would not put it past Crystal the bio mom to try to pump the kids for info when she had them every 2 weeks and then to call in or have her mom or someone call in...
Or maybe he did overly parent them...hard to say...but shame on the relatives if they knew that this was going on and they didn't step in with help in child care of these 2 kids..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 10:32:04 PM

I did volunteer work for a  safe house for battered women and children.  My job was a court ******* to gather statstics on the cases in the county....how many were dismissed....how many men were found guilty or not. All of these women had that same look in their eyes, carried themselves with no self-esteem and had been beaten down so much that the large majority would ask for charges to be dropped...mostly out of fear (as he would be standing right there beside her).  They would come in with a black eye, sling on their arm bruises and say oh it was just an accident or I hit him first.  You would see them cycle through the system more than once and sometimes they would finally stand up for themselves sometimes not.  Many did not fight the father for custody.  They didn't have the resources, jobs, money or self-esteem to feel like they even deserved them by the time they got that far. 

I wouldn't read too much into her not getting custody.....it is truley amazing what can happen in court.  Alot of women would have to just get out and get safe, try to start a new life and then go back after custody of the children.

I don't know if any of this relates to this case or not but it's a possability and as I have stated they both need to be checked out thoroughly.  I will say that I have no respect for a man that talks to women the way Ron did and wether he hit Haleigh or not she would be a victim of the verbal abuse and his anger scares me!!  JMO

Thanks Dottie for your input and compassionate heart to volunteer with battered women-KUDOS to you!

You know how I feel about the entire custody issue  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 23, 2009, 10:32:24 PM

I did volunteer work for a  safe house for battered women and children.  My job was a court ******* to gather statstics on the cases in the county....how many were dismissed....how many men were found guilty or not. All of these women had that same look in their eyes, carried themselves with no self-esteem and had been beaten down so much that the large majority would ask for charges to be dropped...mostly out of fear (as he would be standing right there beside her).  They would come in with a black eye, sling on their arm bruises and say oh it was just an accident or I hit him first.  You would see them cycle through the system more than once and sometimes they would finally stand up for themselves sometimes not.  Many did not fight the father for custody.  They didn't have the resources, jobs, money or self-esteem to feel like they even deserved them by the time they got that far. 

I wouldn't read too much into her not getting custody.....it is truley amazing what can happen in court.  Alot of women would have to just get out and get safe, try to start a new life and then go back after custody of the children.

I don't know if any of this relates to this case or not but it's a possability and as I have stated they both need to be checked out thoroughly.  I will say that I have no respect for a man that talks to women the way Ron did and wether he hit Haleigh or not she would be a victim of the verbal abuse and his anger scares me!!  JMO
I have no idea how the ****** got there.  The word was *******.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 10:33:22 PM
Family services have been to the home of Ron's in the past year....On greta ::MonkeyTongue::
Did she say for what? Thanks


Probably to inform him on DCF procedures for discipline ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
I almost fell over when he made that comment.

Me too~my eyes were like this ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 23, 2009, 10:34:17 PM

OMG..I'll try it this way...*******.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 23, 2009, 10:34:48 PM
I am going to bed now you Monkeys...try to behave yourselves will ya?
see you all in the morning..
hopefully Haleigh will be found over night and we can all wake up to good news!
Keep the faith...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 10:35:41 PM

I did volunteer work for a  safe house for battered women and children.  My job was a court ******* to gather statstics on the cases in the county....how many were dismissed....how many men were found guilty or not. All of these women had that same look in their eyes, carried themselves with no self-esteem and had been beaten down so much that the large majority would ask for charges to be dropped...mostly out of fear (as he would be standing right there beside her).  They would come in with a black eye, sling on their arm bruises and say oh it was just an accident or I hit him first.  You would see them cycle through the system more than once and sometimes they would finally stand up for themselves sometimes not.  Many did not fight the father for custody.  They didn't have the resources, jobs, money or self-esteem to feel like they even deserved them by the time they got that far. 

I wouldn't read too much into her not getting custody.....it is truley amazing what can happen in court.  Alot of women would have to just get out and get safe, try to start a new life and then go back after custody of the children.

I don't know if any of this relates to this case or not but it's a possability and as I have stated they both need to be checked out thoroughly.  I will say that I have no respect for a man that talks to women the way Ron did and wether he hit Haleigh or not she would be a victim of the verbal abuse and his anger scares me!!  JMO
Yes, exactly. I've seen this many times as well.

And the reason a certain mother doesn't get custody are varied and specific to the situation and the history and cant be generallized, IMO. It does have a lot to do with profound feelings of helplessnes and  repeated defeat, among other painful things that sometimes a woman simply cannot overcome.





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 23, 2009, 10:38:15 PM

I did volunteer work for a  safe house for battered women and children.  My job was a court ******* to gather statstics on the cases in the county....how many were dismissed....how many men were found guilty or not. All of these women had that same look in their eyes, carried themselves with no self-esteem and had been beaten down so much that the large majority would ask for charges to be dropped...mostly out of fear (as he would be standing right there beside her).  They would come in with a black eye, sling on their arm bruises and say oh it was just an accident or I hit him first.  You would see them cycle through the system more than once and sometimes they would finally stand up for themselves sometimes not.  Many did not fight the father for custody.  They didn't have the resources, jobs, money or self-esteem to feel like they even deserved them by the time they got that far. 

I wouldn't read too much into her not getting custody.....it is truley amazing what can happen in court.  Alot of women would have to just get out and get safe, try to start a new life and then go back after custody of the children.

I don't know if any of this relates to this case or not but it's a possability and as I have stated they both need to be checked out thoroughly.  I will say that I have no respect for a man that talks to women the way Ron did and wether he hit Haleigh or not she would be a victim of the verbal abuse and his anger scares me!!  JMO
I have no idea how the ****** got there.  The word was *******.

Are we suppose to guess what the****** is?? ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 10:39:15 PM
did anyone else notice that during Geraldo's interview with bio mom and her family that the fiance, Chad, could not look into the camera when bio mom was saying that Ron had supposedly told family members that he, Ron was 75% sure who had Haleigh? Also tonight on NG, Crystal said that Chad was being re questioned because of a misunderstanding, that it was actually her brother who had said that Ron told him... ::MonkeyConfused::
does anyone remember who Ron supposedly told about being sure who had Haleigh?
Has anyone ever seen such a fricked up family? I mean on both sides....?  they put the fun in dysfunctional that is for sure!   I am shaking my head the more I read and the more that I hear about the inter relationships, the drugs, the SO s in the family and the surrounding areas....How does any child have a chance in these surroundings? geez!

Crystal reminds me of Susan Smith only in the way that she can not look into the camera or at anyone when she is speaking to them...I don't think that she had anything to do with this, just that Susan Smith would not look at anyone directly either...

Sometimes women who have been in abusive relationships  tend to look down frequently and don't make a lot of eye contact.



It's 3 years past and her little girl is missing....is Chad beating her too??  She's speaking to Nancy Grace not Ron.  She is feeling guilty as a mother IMO, not anything to do with a one supposed bop on the head and verbal abuse that took place almost 5 yrs ago.  She feels guilty that she was not there for her little girl and did not protect while she had the chance.  Sorry but that's how I read it.

I was never abused, but several on this thread over the past couple of days have been.....I have no clue as to how quickly one recovers, but I will defer to their past experiences regarding that topic....she may very well feel guilty, my ex's ex did everything she could to get back into court and modify custody, even when he was indicted the courts fined her for the "court date and expenses which my ex stated as over 15,000 dollars", but in the end my stepsons refuse to see, speak or have anything to do with their dad. My oldest is getting married, he's the one without an invite. Very sad, but appropriate for all the h@ll they endured ::MonkeyNoNo::


Island,
Again I totally understand, I have an Aunt whose husband liked to tie her up w/electrical ext. cords and give her the fist, she didn't leave the SOB until the kids (toddler age) started to become interesting to him.  So yes I defer to past experiences, but imo it also can cloud judgement.  My aunt sizes every man up like he's the devil of the earth until she oh so carefully feels them out.  JMO of my experience.  I was personally born ready to beat the crap out of all "Man-Kind" and champion all of "Woman-Kind".  I'm sorry for all experiences of abuse to anyone here and if I could I would beat the crap out of all these men for you and not think twice about it.  There's nothing worse than a bully abuser to me.  Even verbal abuse of the fairer sex bothers me, I have been labeled a feminist(man-hater) more times than I can count.  So I am not trying to offend just stating what I see. And Thanking God for my wonderful husband everyday as I rant and rave for my sexes equality in all ways!  My lack of sympathy for Crystal's behavior in regards to this little girl isn't overshadowed by her perceived abuses.  She just makes me angry, sorry, angry that she did not take action in defense of her when she could have helped her most.  I am sorry and will go stand in the corner now....but for god's sake she is the little girls mother and spouts off all this abuse of Haleigh and she is a grown strong woman who did nothing and I cannot help my anger towards her for that.  Sorry for the ot.  Now going to the corner.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 10:40:05 PM
DCFS could have been to the home for reports made to their office by someone who is pissy with Ron? just a question to throw out there....If someone calls even anonymously,don't they have to investigate? Or maybe there was some concern on parenting...doesn't always mean abuse when they visit does it? just asking as I really have no experience with DCFS .....
I would not put it past Crystal the bio mom to try to pump the kids for info when she had them every 2 weeks and then to call in or have her mom or someone call in...
Or maybe he did overly parent them...hard to say...but shame on the relatives if they knew that this was going on and they didn't step in with help in child care of these 2 kids..

I have no experience with Florida DCF, but in TN where I do because my ex abused my son, they couldn't even spell properly on a document, and when they thought there might be abuse, they forwarded us to Le Bonhuer Center for Children and Parents to be psychologically tested. Le Bonhuer's report was extremely thorough and stated very clearly my child wasn't lying (like a 4yr old could imagine anything so vile), and his testimony was appropriate according to all his behavoiral test, yet DCS did nothing even after reading the rape exam report  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Finally, in court my son was awarded the largest settlement you can get from the state, (most states have funds for victims of violent crimes), and a warrant was issued........he skipped town and disappeared. Sorry that was a long answer and probably more than you needed.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 23, 2009, 10:40:13 PM
I am going to bed now you Monkeys...try to behave yourselves will ya?
see you all in the morning..
hopefully Haleigh will be found over night and we can all wake up to good news!
Keep the faith...

Good Night To All The Sweet Monkey's going To Bed... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 23, 2009, 10:40:42 PM

OMG..I'll try it this way...*******.
One more time...then I'm calling a mod..   ::MonkeyHaHa::

*******


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 23, 2009, 10:42:38 PM
you guys are really scaring me. id hate to see lines drawn as people 'who understand abuse' and those who 'dont agree' with their theories, as if they may somehow be minimizing what any and all victims go thru. any kind of abuse is horrific and i dont believe for a second that anyone doesnt feel empathy for those that have ever experienced it or have had a loved one who did.

im not going to relate my own experiences, not because i think its wrong or inappropriate to do so, but because after many, many years on the net i dont like posting much personal info on public boards. thats not an indictment against those who do, my hats off to all of you, its just a matter of personal comfort levels for me.

i think crystal has many resentments, i wont speculate now what they may be, but i think she deserves an equally intensive investigation as the father since familial-y they are the two main players.jmo.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 23, 2009, 10:42:48 PM
DCFS could have been to the home for reports made to their office by someone who is pissy with Ron? just a question to throw out there....If someone calls even anonymously,don't they have to investigate? Or maybe there was some concern on parenting...doesn't always mean abuse when they visit does it? just asking as I really have no experience with DCFS .....
I would not put it past Crystal the bio mom to try to pump the kids for info when she had them every 2 weeks and then to call in or have her mom or someone call in...
Or maybe he did overly parent them...hard to say...but shame on the relatives if they knew that this was going on and they didn't step in with help in child care of these 2 kids..

I have no experience with Florida DCF, but in TN where I do because my ex abused my son, they couldn't even spell properly on a document, and when they thought there might be abuse, they forwarded us to Le Bonhuer Center for Children and Parents to be psychologically tested. Le Bonhuer's report was extremely thorough and stated very clearly my child wasn't lying (like a 4yr old could imagine anything so vile), and his testimony was appropriate according to all his behavoiral test, yet DCS did nothing even after reading the rape exam report  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Finally, in court my son was awarded the largest settlement you can get from the state, (most states have funds for victims of violent crimes), and a warrant was issued........he skipped town and disappeared. Sorry that was a long answer and probably more than you needed.

God Bless Your Son.... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 10:44:05 PM
did anyone else notice that during Geraldo's interview with bio mom and her family that the fiance, Chad, could not look into the camera when bio mom was saying that Ron had supposedly told family members that he, Ron was 75% sure who had Haleigh? Also tonight on NG, Crystal said that Chad was being re questioned because of a misunderstanding, that it was actually her brother who had said that Ron told him... ::MonkeyConfused::
does anyone remember who Ron supposedly told about being sure who had Haleigh?
Has anyone ever seen such a fricked up family? I mean on both sides....?  they put the fun in dysfunctional that is for sure!   I am shaking my head the more I read and the more that I hear about the inter relationships, the drugs, the SO s in the family and the surrounding areas....How does any child have a chance in these surroundings? geez!

Crystal reminds me of Susan Smith only in the way that she can not look into the camera or at anyone when she is speaking to them...I don't think that she had anything to do with this, just that Susan Smith would not look at anyone directly either...

Sometimes women who have been in abusive relationships  tend to look down frequently and don't make a lot of eye contact.



It's 3 years past and her little girl is missing....is Chad beating her too??  She's speaking to Nancy Grace not Ron.  She is feeling guilty as a mother IMO, not anything to do with a one supposed bop on the head and verbal abuse that took place almost 5 yrs ago.  She feels guilty that she was not there for her little girl and did not protect while she had the chance.  Sorry but that's how I read it.

I was never abused, but several on this thread over the past couple of days have been.....I have no clue as to how quickly one recovers, but I will defer to their past experiences regarding that topic....she may very well feel guilty, my ex's ex did everything she could to get back into court and modify custody, even when he was indicted the courts fined her for the "court date and expenses which my ex stated as over 15,000 dollars", but in the end my stepsons refuse to see, speak or have anything to do with their dad. My oldest is getting married, he's the one without an invite. Very sad, but appropriate for all the h@ll they endured ::MonkeyNoNo::


Island,
Again I totally understand, I have an Aunt whose husband liked to tie her up w/electrical ext. cords and give her the fist, she didn't leave the SOB until the kids (toddler age) started to become interesting to him.  So yes I defer to past experiences, but imo it also can cloud judgement.  My aunt sizes every man up like he's the devil of the earth until she oh so carefully feels them out.  JMO of my experience.  I was personally born ready to beat the crap out of all "Man-Kind" and champion all of "Woman-Kind".  I'm sorry for all experiences of abuse to anyone here and if I could I would beat the crap out of all these men for you and not think twice about it.  There's nothing worse than a bully abuser to me.  Even verbal abuse of the fairer sex bothers me, I have been labeled a feminist(man-hater) more times than I can count.  So I am not trying to offend just stating what I see. And Thanking God for my wonderful husband everyday as I rant and rave for my sexes equality in all ways!  My lack of sympathy for Crystal's behavior in regards to this little girl isn't overshadowed by her perceived abuses.  She just makes me angry, sorry, angry that she did not take action in defense of her when she could have helped her most.  I am sorry and will go stand in the corner now....but for god's sake she is the little girls mother and spouts off all this abuse of Haleigh and she is a grown strong woman who did nothing and I cannot help my anger towards her for that.  Sorry for the ot.  Now going to the corner.

Not O/T at all~and no standing in the corner......i appreciate your opinions.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 10:44:15 PM
Family services have been to the home of Ron's in the past year....On greta ::MonkeyTongue::
Did she say for what? Thanks


Probably to inform him on DCF procedures for discipline ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
I know you're being cheeky (you crack me up) but really, Ron said he spanks her according to the way DCF told him to - or whatever the words were to that effect  - so doesn't that speak to what was discussed during the visit? I mean, from Ron's own words,  they were apparently discussing what spankings are allowed; They weren't there baking brownies were they? (Or maybe they were.... before DCF got there) .  ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 23, 2009, 10:45:09 PM

OMG..I'll try it this way...*******.
One more time...then I'm calling a mod..   ::MonkeyHaHa::

*******

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 10:46:31 PM
DCFS could have been to the home for reports made to their office by someone who is pissy with Ron? just a question to throw out there....If someone calls even anonymously,don't they have to investigate? Or maybe there was some concern on parenting...doesn't always mean abuse when they visit does it? just asking as I really have no experience with DCFS .....
I would not put it past Crystal the bio mom to try to pump the kids for info when she had them every 2 weeks and then to call in or have her mom or someone call in...
Or maybe he did overly parent them...hard to say...but shame on the relatives if they knew that this was going on and they didn't step in with help in child care of these 2 kids..

I have no experience with Florida DCF, but in TN where I do because my ex abused my son, they couldn't even spell properly on a document, and when they thought there might be abuse, they forwarded us to Le Bonhuer Center for Children and Parents to be psychologically tested. Le Bonhuer's report was extremely thorough and stated very clearly my child wasn't lying (like a 4yr old could imagine anything so vile), and his testimony was appropriate according to all his behavoiral test, yet DCS did nothing even after reading the rape exam report  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Finally, in court my son was awarded the largest settlement you can get from the state, (most states have funds for victims of violent crimes), and a warrant was issued........he skipped town and disappeared. Sorry that was a long answer and probably more than you needed.

God Bless Your Son.... ::MonkeyTongue::

Thanks~I feel blessed everyday to have been able to move and start over. God Bless you too!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 23, 2009, 10:48:23 PM
Not sure about Florida but a crane operator is a skilled position and demands better than average pay. 35 to 40 per hour non-union around here. I think the union is way more than that. Around 60 to 70 per hour in the union and great benefits.

I have left my child with a 17 year old babysitter. He was older though. I joined a book group and they met 45 minutes from my home. I made the night out of it. It would end at 10..we go eat and get coffee and sometimes it could be close to 2 when I got home.

 I wonder if he ever called home to check. I did and if she was sleeping I would freak!! She stayed over in my guest room but would not go to sleep until I got home. I also had 2 dogs then. They are great deterrents. Everyone should have one especially if you ever lived in fear.
The BTK killer observed his prey for weeks and weeks. One women he was watching came out of her home one day with a dog. At that time the neighbor came out to talk and he chose her over the one with the dog. His original prey was spared and she didn't even know that dog saved her a horrible death.    GO DOGS


Yes, Scarlett: go dogs! Woof woof, grr grr.  Life w/out dogs is not worth livin' I think.

I'm just catching up but I'd like to remind folks that most jobs that require skill (and many that do not) are positions that by nature require a drug test at different (and unpredictable) interims as terms of employment.  Unless drug use allegations are proven and directly affect the absence of this poor lost child, I'm gonna ignore. 

I don't deny that some lowlife RC knew/knows might have had an ax to grind, but I think that some suspicions we harbor should be left unsaid...except to LE--an admonition that'd be lost on Geraldo Rivera, that opportunistic buzzard.  :smt013

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 23, 2009, 10:49:52 PM

OMG..I'll try it this way...*******.
One more time...then I'm calling a mod..   ::MonkeyHaHa::

*******
try putting s p a c e betwen the letters  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 10:50:01 PM
you guys are really scaring me. id hate to see lines drawn as people 'who understand abuse' and those who 'dont agree' with their theories, as if they may somehow be minimizing what any and all victims go thru. any kind of abuse is horrific and i dont believe for a second that anyone doesnt feel empathy for those that have ever experienced it or have had a loved one who did.

im not going to relate my own experiences, not because i think its wrong or inappropriate to do so, but because after many, many years on the net i dont like posting much personal info on public boards. thats not an indictment against those who do, my hats off to all of you, its just a matter of personal comfort levels for me.

i think crystal has many resentments, i wont speculate now what they may be, but i think she deserves an equally intensive investigation as the father since familial-y they are the two main players.jmo.

I agree everyone should be investigated thoroughly, so I check 8 counties for a record on her and couldn't come up with any except a ticket, filing a false police report......no drug charges or any violent charges at all. I also think that because she lives about 100 miles away it has been easier to alibi her.....she was in Glen St. Mary that night.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 23, 2009, 10:50:33 PM
Family services have been to the home of Ron's in the past year....On greta ::MonkeyTongue::
Did she say for what? Thanks


Probably to inform him on DCF procedures for discipline ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
I know you're being cheeky (you crack me up) but really, Ron said he spanks her according to the way DCF told him to - or whatever the words were to that effect  - so doesn't that speak to what was discussed during the visit? I mean, from Ron's own words,  they were apparently discussing what spankings are allowed; They weren't there baking brownies were they? (Or maybe they were.... before DCF got there) .  ::MonkeyCool::





It makes you wonder how was he correcting the children before DCF told him how too..

And I wonder if they went back for a follow up and talked to the children... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 23, 2009, 10:52:49 PM

OMG..I'll try it this way...*******.
One more time...then I'm calling a mod..   ::MonkeyHaHa::

*******   ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyLaugh:: It did the same thing on the Musings thread.  I promise it's not a bad word.  Guess you'll never know.  ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyConfused::  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 10:52:55 PM
Family services have been to the home of Ron's in the past year....On greta ::MonkeyTongue::
Did she say for what? Thanks


Probably to inform him on DCF procedures for discipline ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
I know you're being cheeky (you crack me up) but really, Ron said he spanks her according to the way DCF told him to - or whatever the words were to that effect  - so doesn't that speak to what was discussed during the visit? I mean, from Ron's own words,  they were apparently discussing what spankings are allowed; They weren't there baking brownies were they? (Or maybe they were.... before DCF got there) .  ::MonkeyCool::





 ::MonkeyLaugh:: LMAO~HMMMMMM maybe.......I think he must have been told how he can discipline a child from the way he stated that line and verse, maybe he has been rougher than he should have with her. (disclaimer-just an IM theory as to why he knew DCF discipline rules and procedures)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 10:54:44 PM
you guys are really scaring me. id hate to see lines drawn as people 'who understand abuse' and those who 'dont agree' with their theories, as if they may somehow be minimizing what any and all victims go thru. any kind of abuse is horrific and i dont believe for a second that anyone doesnt feel empathy for those that have ever experienced it or have had a loved one who did.

im not going to relate my own experiences, not because i think its wrong or inappropriate to do so, but because after many, many years on the net i dont like posting much personal info on public boards. thats not an indictment against those who do, my hats off to all of you, its just a matter of personal comfort levels for me.

i think crystal has many resentments, i wont speculate now what they may be, but i think she deserves an equally intensive investigation as the father since familial-y they are the two main players.jmo.

I agree everyone should be investigated thoroughly, so I check 8 counties for a record on her and couldn't come up with any except a ticket, filing a false police report......no drug charges or any violent charges at all. I also think that because she lives about 100 miles away it has been easier to alibi her.....she was in Glen St. Mary that night.
You're a sleuthy sleuther monkey. . ::MonkeyCool::

Can you find out somehow who that restraining order was for? I mean the obvious first guess is Crystal; but what if it's not her? It was in 2005 right? (per your link) and she wasn't in Sarasota County then... or was she? Just wondering.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 23, 2009, 10:55:09 PM

OMG..I'll try it this way...*******.
One more time...then I'm calling a mod..   ::MonkeyHaHa::

*******
try putting s p a c e betwen the letters  ::MonkeyCool::
Here goes...o b s e r v e r  


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 10:56:49 PM
Family services have been to the home of Ron's in the past year....On greta ::MonkeyTongue::
Did she say for what? Thanks


Probably to inform him on DCF procedures for discipline ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
I know you're being cheeky (you crack me up) but really, Ron said he spanks her according to the way DCF told him to - or whatever the words were to that effect  - so doesn't that speak to what was discussed during the visit? I mean, from Ron's own words,  they were apparently discussing what spankings are allowed; They weren't there baking brownies were they? (Or maybe they were.... before DCF got there) .  ::MonkeyCool::





Rana I agree w/you here, it was like he pulled the handbook out or said exactly what the counselor had told him was appropriate parental behavior with his child.  Yes, it appears DCF has visited the cummings house for issues.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 10:58:18 PM
you guys are really scaring me. id hate to see lines drawn as people 'who understand abuse' and those who 'dont agree' with their theories, as if they may somehow be minimizing what any and all victims go thru. any kind of abuse is horrific and i dont believe for a second that anyone doesnt feel empathy for those that have ever experienced it or have had a loved one who did.

im not going to relate my own experiences, not because i think its wrong or inappropriate to do so, but because after many, many years on the net i dont like posting much personal info on public boards. thats not an indictment against those who do, my hats off to all of you, its just a matter of personal comfort levels for me.

i think crystal has many resentments, i wont speculate now what they may be, but i think she deserves an equally intensive investigation as the father since familial-y they are the two main players.jmo.

I agree everyone should be investigated thoroughly, so I check 8 counties for a record on her and couldn't come up with any except a ticket, filing a false police report......no drug charges or any violent charges at all. I also think that because she lives about 100 miles away it has been easier to alibi her.....she was in Glen St. Mary that night.
You're a sleuthy sleuther monkey. . ::MonkeyCool::

Can you find out somehow who that restraining order was for? I mean the obvious first guess is Crystal; but what if it's not her? It was in 2005 right? (per your link) and she wasn't in Sarasota County then... or was she? Just wondering.



Me either and believe me I been looking.  I've found nadda also.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 23, 2009, 10:59:00 PM

OMG..I'll try it this way...*******.
One more time...then I'm calling a mod..   ::MonkeyHaHa::

*******
try putting s p a c e betwen the letters  ::MonkeyCool::
Here goes...o b s e r v e r  

LMAO ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 23, 2009, 10:59:17 PM
you guys are really scaring me. id hate to see lines drawn as people 'who understand abuse' and those who 'dont agree' with their theories, as if they may somehow be minimizing what any and all victims go thru. any kind of abuse is horrific and i dont believe for a second that anyone doesnt feel empathy for those that have ever experienced it or have had a loved one who did.

im not going to relate my own experiences, not because i think its wrong or inappropriate to do so, but because after many, many years on the net i dont like posting much personal info on public boards. thats not an indictment against those who do, my hats off to all of you, its just a matter of personal comfort levels for me.

i think crystal has many resentments, i wont speculate now what they may be, but i think she deserves an equally intensive investigation as the father since familial-y they are the two main players.jmo.

I agree everyone should be investigated thoroughly, so I check 8 counties for a record on her and couldn't come up with any except a ticket, filing a false police report......no drug charges or any violent charges at all. I also think that because she lives about 100 miles away it has been easier to alibi her.....she was in Glen St. Mary that night.

what was the false police report about, do you know?

ya i know she was, as i know that its been verified ron was at work the whole time. im curious tho who the last person to see haleigh was other than misty, one of the visiting relatives or the ac man? and what time was it? we know she was seen at school that day, that people came over after ron left, so i wish we had an accurate timeline. who else was nearby when she got off the bus, predators watch and fanatasize for quite some time, so how many people are usually around then and who are they?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 10:59:19 PM
Family services have been to the home of Ron's in the past year....On greta ::MonkeyTongue::
Did she say for what? Thanks


Probably to inform him on DCF procedures for discipline ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
I know you're being cheeky (you crack me up) but really, Ron said he spanks her according to the way DCF told him to - or whatever the words were to that effect  - so doesn't that speak to what was discussed during the visit? I mean, from Ron's own words,  they were apparently discussing what spankings are allowed; They weren't there baking brownies were they? (Or maybe they were.... before DCF got there) .  ::MonkeyCool::





 ::MonkeyLaugh:: LMAO~HMMMMMM maybe.......I think he must have been told how he can discipline a child from the way he stated that line and verse, maybe he has been rougher than he should have with her. (disclaimer-just an IM theory as to why he knew DCF discipline rules and procedures)
I know right? It apparently came into the conversation SOMEHOW. 

But Ron's such a sensitive soul he probably made the inquiry himself.

Now exactly how hard can I hit without without going to the slammer?

 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 11:00:25 PM
you guys are really scaring me. id hate to see lines drawn as people 'who understand abuse' and those who 'dont agree' with their theories, as if they may somehow be minimizing what any and all victims go thru. any kind of abuse is horrific and i dont believe for a second that anyone doesnt feel empathy for those that have ever experienced it or have had a loved one who did.

im not going to relate my own experiences, not because i think its wrong or inappropriate to do so, but because after many, many years on the net i dont like posting much personal info on public boards. thats not an indictment against those who do, my hats off to all of you, its just a matter of personal comfort levels for me.

i think crystal has many resentments, i wont speculate now what they may be, but i think she deserves an equally intensive investigation as the father since familial-y they are the two main players.jmo.

I agree everyone should be investigated thoroughly, so I check 8 counties for a record on her and couldn't come up with any except a ticket, filing a false police report......no drug charges or any violent charges at all. I also think that because she lives about 100 miles away it has been easier to alibi her.....she was in Glen St. Mary that night.
You're a sleuthy sleuther monkey. . ::MonkeyCool::

Can you find out somehow who that restraining order was for? I mean the obvious first guess is Crystal; but what if it's not her? It was in 2005 right? (per your link) and she wasn't in Sarasota County then... or was she? Just wondering.



 ::MonkeyNoNo::  No, I tried the link and it states you must go to the courthouse in person to review all the documents, and there were many pages of affavadits, etc.....d@mn, who do I know in Sarasota. I don't know that Crystal ever lived in that county ::MonkeyConfused:: yes, it was in late 2005-the one with the morphine charge etc.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 23, 2009, 11:02:19 PM

OMG..I'll try it this way...*******.
One more time...then I'm calling a mod..   ::MonkeyHaHa::

*******
try putting s p a c e betwen the letters  ::MonkeyCool::
Here goes...o b s e r v e r  

LMAO ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
SMARTY PANTS!!!!!   ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyLaugh::
That was so weird.  It is on the preview and then it goes away.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: why that word only?  strange  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 11:02:22 PM

OMG..I'll try it this way...*******.
One more time...then I'm calling a mod..   ::MonkeyHaHa::

*******
try putting s p a c e betwen the letters  ::MonkeyCool::
Here goes...o b s e r v e r  

LMAO ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

That's an odd word to be ****d out. **GUFFAW** .  ::MonkeyLaugh::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 11:04:24 PM
you guys are really scaring me. id hate to see lines drawn as people 'who understand abuse' and those who 'dont agree' with their theories, as if they may somehow be minimizing what any and all victims go thru. any kind of abuse is horrific and i dont believe for a second that anyone doesnt feel empathy for those that have ever experienced it or have had a loved one who did.

im not going to relate my own experiences, not because i think its wrong or inappropriate to do so, but because after many, many years on the net i dont like posting much personal info on public boards. thats not an indictment against those who do, my hats off to all of you, its just a matter of personal comfort levels for me.

i think crystal has many resentments, i wont speculate now what they may be, but i think she deserves an equally intensive investigation as the father since familial-y they are the two main players.jmo.

I agree everyone should be investigated thoroughly, so I check 8 counties for a record on her and couldn't come up with any except a ticket, filing a false police report......no drug charges or any violent charges at all. I also think that because she lives about 100 miles away it has been easier to alibi her.....she was in Glen St. Mary that night.
You're a sleuthy sleuther monkey. . ::MonkeyCool::

Can you find out somehow who that restraining order was for? I mean the obvious first guess is Crystal; but what if it's not her? It was in 2005 right? (per your link) and she wasn't in Sarasota County then... or was she? Just wondering.



I thought the restraining order was filed by Crystal for Ron, am I missing something here? 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 11:05:10 PM
you guys are really scaring me. id hate to see lines drawn as people 'who understand abuse' and those who 'dont agree' with their theories, as if they may somehow be minimizing what any and all victims go thru. any kind of abuse is horrific and i dont believe for a second that anyone doesnt feel empathy for those that have ever experienced it or have had a loved one who did.

im not going to relate my own experiences, not because i think its wrong or inappropriate to do so, but because after many, many years on the net i dont like posting much personal info on public boards. thats not an indictment against those who do, my hats off to all of you, its just a matter of personal comfort levels for me.

i think crystal has many resentments, i wont speculate now what they may be, but i think she deserves an equally intensive investigation as the father since familial-y they are the two main players.jmo.

I agree everyone should be investigated thoroughly, so I check 8 counties for a record on her and couldn't come up with any except a ticket, filing a false police report......no drug charges or any violent charges at all. I also think that because she lives about 100 miles away it has been easier to alibi her.....she was in Glen St. Mary that night.

what was the false police report about, do you know?

ya i know she was, as i know that its been verified ron was at work the whole time. im curious tho who the last person to see haleigh was other than misty, one of the visiting relatives or the ac man? and what time was it? we know she was seen at school that day, that people came over after ron left, so i wish we had an accurate timeline. who else was nearby when she got off the bus, predators watch and fanatasize for quite some time, so how many people are usually around then and who are they?

IIRC, it was when RC was in a wreck and the kids were in the car, her cousin was in the car also and said they were doing drugs..........he later took a pee test and it showed no drugs (my brother can tell you how to pass anything but a hair test), and she got smacked with filing a false report.

I would also like to know exactly WHO saw the kids last other than Misty, like maybe neighbors etc., especially because in 2 different interviews RC stated he left the kids in bed under Misty's care at 10:00 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 23, 2009, 11:05:15 PM
you guys are really scaring me. id hate to see lines drawn as people 'who understand abuse' and those who 'dont agree' with their theories, as if they may somehow be minimizing what any and all victims go thru. any kind of abuse is horrific and i dont believe for a second that anyone doesnt feel empathy for those that have ever experienced it or have had a loved one who did.

im not going to relate my own experiences, not because i think its wrong or inappropriate to do so, but because after many, many years on the net i dont like posting much personal info on public boards. thats not an indictment against those who do, my hats off to all of you, its just a matter of personal comfort levels for me.

i think crystal has many resentments, i wont speculate now what they may be, but i think she deserves an equally intensive investigation as the father since familial-y they are the two main players.jmo.

I agree everyone should be investigated thoroughly, so I check 8 counties for a record on her and couldn't come up with any except a ticket, filing a false police report......no drug charges or any violent charges at all. I also think that because she lives about 100 miles away it has been easier to alibi her.....she was in Glen St. Mary that night.

what was the false police report about, do you know?

ya i know she was, as i know that its been verified ron was at work the whole time. im curious tho who the last person to see haleigh was other than misty, one of the visiting relatives or the ac man? and what time was it? we know she was seen at school that day, that people came over after ron left, so i wish we had an accurate timeline. who else was nearby when she got off the bus, predators watch and fanatasize for quite some time, so how many people are usually around then and who are they?

Could that have happened if she called police on an abuse charge and renigged when they got there...maybe she had called often buy never pressed charges and they got sick of it? Just a thought.
I know its frustrating but LE is not saying much at all. I am sure they checked out MCs brother ( I think that was who came over around 5/6), they may have questioned the kids that were there as well, gently of course.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 11:08:07 PM
you guys are really scaring me. id hate to see lines drawn as people 'who understand abuse' and those who 'dont agree' with their theories, as if they may somehow be minimizing what any and all victims go thru. any kind of abuse is horrific and i dont believe for a second that anyone doesnt feel empathy for those that have ever experienced it or have had a loved one who did.

im not going to relate my own experiences, not because i think its wrong or inappropriate to do so, but because after many, many years on the net i dont like posting much personal info on public boards. thats not an indictment against those who do, my hats off to all of you, its just a matter of personal comfort levels for me.

i think crystal has many resentments, i wont speculate now what they may be, but i think she deserves an equally intensive investigation as the father since familial-y they are the two main players.jmo.

I agree everyone should be investigated thoroughly, so I check 8 counties for a record on her and couldn't come up with any except a ticket, filing a false police report......no drug charges or any violent charges at all. I also think that because she lives about 100 miles away it has been easier to alibi her.....she was in Glen St. Mary that night.
You're a sleuthy sleuther monkey. . ::MonkeyCool::

Can you find out somehow who that restraining order was for? I mean the obvious first guess is Crystal; but what if it's not her? It was in 2005 right? (per your link) and she wasn't in Sarasota County then... or was she? Just wondering.



I thought the restraining order was filed by Crystal for Ron, am I missing something here? 

There was one in Sarasota county in 2005.......I can't find any info that she lived in that county......I know she lived in Leesburg, but that is in Lake county.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 11:08:36 PM
you guys are really scaring me. id hate to see lines drawn as people 'who understand abuse' and those who 'dont agree' with their theories, as if they may somehow be minimizing what any and all victims go thru. any kind of abuse is horrific and i dont believe for a second that anyone doesnt feel empathy for those that have ever experienced it or have had a loved one who did.

im not going to relate my own experiences, not because i think its wrong or inappropriate to do so, but because after many, many years on the net i dont like posting much personal info on public boards. thats not an indictment against those who do, my hats off to all of you, its just a matter of personal comfort levels for me.

i think crystal has many resentments, i wont speculate now what they may be, but i think she deserves an equally intensive investigation as the father since familial-y they are the two main players.jmo.

I agree everyone should be investigated thoroughly, so I check 8 counties for a record on her and couldn't come up with any except a ticket, filing a false police report......no drug charges or any violent charges at all. I also think that because she lives about 100 miles away it has been easier to alibi her.....she was in Glen St. Mary that night.
You're a sleuthy sleuther monkey. . ::MonkeyCool::

Can you find out somehow who that restraining order was for? I mean the obvious first guess is Crystal; but what if it's not her? It was in 2005 right? (per your link) and she wasn't in Sarasota County then... or was she? Just wondering.



I thought the restraining order was filed by Crystal for Ron, am I missing something here? 

Well, that's what I was wondering b/c I had just assumed that it was Crystal, and didn't want to assume anything. Altho she does seem the obvious first guess.  Then I saw the year, and long story short.... anyhoo,  I thought Crystal was not in Sarasota at that time so it wouldn't be her. But I don't have proof or the link, so I'll shutty (TM King of Queens) . . ::MonkeyLaugh::





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 23, 2009, 11:10:56 PM
Nice job IM ::MonkeyDance:: . May I also add something odd? At no time did Misty say she then when to check on Ronny Jr... wouldn't that only make sense?

Sure, feel free to add to my list and toss that on one, another odd thing is the fact she even stayed in the house after realizing Haleigh wasn't in it and the door was open, I think almost anyone else would have picked up the other child an running screaming to the neighbors in fear and called 911.......OOPS, just remembered another thin godd Ron didn't cal 911, Misty did (distancing himself away from the act), and when he does talk with them, he hangs up on them.


Island, I've said it once (or twice), but I'll repeat it.

If I came home and found my child "gone", I'd shout to the babysitter/new "mate" (whatever) to call 911 while I tried to call my child home.  I don't blame him a bit for going nuts on that 911 call...and I daresay most 911 ops and LE wouldn't blame him either.  He asked about the relevevance of her DOB--so would I if I'd already stated child was 5.  A person who is living the horror of a major loss isn't apt to hang on the line.  Myself, I prob would have dropped the phone (in between blessin' The Fates and the irrelevant questions (to him) and headed back out the door to holler for my lost child.

Of course there is more here than meets the eye.  But I'm not gonna hang my hat on that 911 call...at least as re. the bio dad.

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 11:11:21 PM
So do we think Ron was the man in black or is jr and now Crystal just making this up?  As Junior only told this to Crystal and her aunt than she told LE about this man in black,  Could Ron be the man in black or are they making this story up for some reason?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 11:14:35 PM
So do we think Ron was the man in black or is jr and now Crystal just making this up?  As Junior only told this to Crystal and her aunt than she told LE about this man in black,  Could Ron be the man in black or are they making this story up for some reason?

MOO~I'm leaning towards the men in black being LE that showed up that night after the 911 call, he could be confused if he woke from a hard sleep and was surrounded by uniformed officer, but again it's just my theory.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 23, 2009, 11:15:54 PM
Nice job IM ::MonkeyDance:: . May I also add something odd? At no time did Misty say she then when to check on Ronny Jr... wouldn't that only make sense?

Sure, feel free to add to my list and toss that on one, another odd thing is the fact she even stayed in the house after realizing Haleigh wasn't in it and the door was open, I think almost anyone else would have picked up the other child an running screaming to the neighbors in fear and called 911.......OOPS, just remembered another thin godd Ron didn't cal 911, Misty did (distancing himself away from the act), and when he does talk with them, he hangs up on them.

In the initial 911 call as soon as the call is picked up you can clearly hear Ron in the background (sounds outside to me) yell the name Haleigh.   When I hear that part of the call as in he just got home from work and Dumb B**** girlfriend is at fault and I hear him outside yelling for her, it tells the story to me and adds credence to his statement that he is looking for her at that time and just wants the cops to get there and look as well.  Also towards the end of this call in the background you hear other voices and him talking to them, so people did wake up or arrive immediatly after his cell phone calls to relatives and were looking as well.  Now if I had whacked her and than gone thru with calling 911 and all these witnesses showed up and are on the initial police report I would do that after I had made damn sure the body was well taken care of.  It's not distancing to me it's what men do best try to fix the problem: actually looking for Haleigh and as you can hear him in the background clearly during most of this call I would not say he did not participate.  Also in respect to Misty she clearly says in her interview "Why didn't they take me, I could have fought them"  She is not afraid of people or fighting......JMO and what I hear on the 911 call.


I totally agree, FCL.  Where I come from, the 911 call scenario is pretty close to what would have gone on here if God forbid a little one went missing.

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 23, 2009, 11:17:17 PM
Nice job IM ::MonkeyDance:: . May I also add something odd? At no time did Misty say she then when to check on Ronny Jr... wouldn't that only make sense?

Sure, feel free to add to my list and toss that on one, another odd thing is the fact she even stayed in the house after realizing Haleigh wasn't in it and the door was open, I think almost anyone else would have picked up the other child an running screaming to the neighbors in fear and called 911.......OOPS, just remembered another thin godd Ron didn't cal 911, Misty did (distancing himself away from the act), and when he does talk with them, he hangs up on them.


Island, I've said it once (or twice), but I'll repeat it.

If I came home and found my child "gone", I'd shout to the babysitter/new "mate" (whatever) to call 911 while I tried to call my child home.  I don't blame him a bit for going nuts on that 911 call...and I daresay most 911 ops and LE wouldn't blame him either.  He asked about the relevevance of her DOB--so would I if I'd already stated child was 5.  A person who is living the horror of a major loss isn't apt to hang on the line.  Myself, I prob would have dropped the phone (in between blessin' The Fates and the irrelevant questions (to him) and headed back out the door to holler for my lost child.

Of course there is more here than meets the eye.  But I'm not gonna hang my hat on that 911 call...at least as re. the bio dad.

Foggy

I can go both ways on the phone issue.
1) Nowadays you can run all over hells half acre with a phone on your ear... its not like they have a cord.
2) Dad has Haleighs vital statistics ( or should) height, weight, DOB
But then Misty WAS the last person to see her and only she could describe those moments cause RC was at work.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 11:19:27 PM
Nice job IM ::MonkeyDance:: . May I also add something odd? At no time did Misty say she then when to check on Ronny Jr... wouldn't that only make sense?

Sure, feel free to add to my list and toss that on one, another odd thing is the fact she even stayed in the house after realizing Haleigh wasn't in it and the door was open, I think almost anyone else would have picked up the other child an running screaming to the neighbors in fear and called 911.......OOPS, just remembered another thin godd Ron didn't cal 911, Misty did (distancing himself away from the act), and when he does talk with them, he hangs up on them.


Island, I've said it once (or twice), but I'll repeat it.

If I came home and found my child "gone", I'd shout to the babysitter/new "mate" (whatever) to call 911 while I tried to call my child home.  I don't blame him a bit for going nuts on that 911 call...and I daresay most 911 ops and LE wouldn't blame him either.  He asked about the relevevance of her DOB--so would I if I'd already stated child was 5.  A person who is living the horror of a major loss isn't apt to hang on the line.  Myself, I prob would have dropped the phone (in between blessin' The Fates and the irrelevant questions (to him) and headed back out the door to holler for my lost child.

Of course there is more here than meets the eye.  But I'm not gonna hang my hat on that 911 call...at least as re. the bio dad.

Foggy


It's far more than the 911 call.....I made a list earlier and I stand by that. I'm not saying he had anything to do with her disappearance, just pointing out inconsistencies in the stories. I've had to call 911 on more than one occasion, once when my stepson was convulsing and had almost no pulse, I stayed with him on a cordless phone so I could help as much as possible, his mom is a dispatcher for the SO and surely he knows the person he is calling is not the one on the way to investigate. I never heard him go outside and yell for her.......he already assumed "someone stole her".



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 23, 2009, 11:20:07 PM
So do we think Ron was the man in black or is jr and now Crystal just making this up?  As Junior only told this to Crystal and her aunt than she told LE about this man in black,  Could Ron be the man in black or are they making this story up for some reason?

MOO~I'm leaning towards the men in black being LE that showed up that night after the 911 call, he could be confused if he woke from a hard sleep and was surrounded by uniformed officer, but again it's just my theory.

That is entirely plausible. Especially as time goes on I am sure he heard adults talking about how they wish someone had seen something and was there any chance Butterbean was awake and saw something?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 23, 2009, 11:20:47 PM
you guys are really scaring me. id hate to see lines drawn as people 'who understand abuse' and those who 'dont agree' with their theories, as if they may somehow be minimizing what any and all victims go thru. any kind of abuse is horrific and i dont believe for a second that anyone doesnt feel empathy for those that have ever experienced it or have had a loved one who did.

im not going to relate my own experiences, not because i think its wrong or inappropriate to do so, but because after many, many years on the net i dont like posting much personal info on public boards. thats not an indictment against those who do, my hats off to all of you, its just a matter of personal comfort levels for me.

i think crystal has many resentments, i wont speculate now what they may be, but i think she deserves an equally intensive investigation as the father since familial-y they are the two main players.jmo.

I agree everyone should be investigated thoroughly, so I check 8 counties for a record on her and couldn't come up with any except a ticket, filing a false police report......no drug charges or any violent charges at all. I also think that because she lives about 100 miles away it has been easier to alibi her.....she was in Glen St. Mary that night.

what was the false police report about, do you know?

ya i know she was, as i know that its been verified ron was at work the whole time. im curious tho who the last person to see haleigh was other than misty, one of the visiting relatives or the ac man? and what time was it? we know she was seen at school that day, that people came over after ron left, so i wish we had an accurate timeline. who else was nearby when she got off the bus, predators watch and fanatasize for quite some time, so how many people are usually around then and who are they?

IIRC, it was when RC was in a wreck and the kids were in the car, her cousin was in the car also and said they were doing drugs..........he later took a pee test and it showed no drugs (my brother can tell you how to pass anything but a hair test), and she got smacked with filing a false report.

I would also like to know exactly WHO saw the kids last other than Misty, like maybe neighbors etc., especially because in 2 different interviews RC stated he left the kids in bed under Misty's care at 10:00 ::MonkeyConfused::
::MonkeyWink::
haha within a hair! i can too but please dont tell my mom that.  ::MonkeyWink::

reports vary within the media sources and thats frustrating. after all this time tho le would have his movements nailed down tight tho from when he left for work and arrived home. i guess i kinda feel he deserves a bit of a break for being emotional considering what hes going thru, and that tim stayed close to him and involved him when he really didnt have to adds a bit of weight to me, hes been there and understands what you go thru better than most.

it would be great to know more, its not a very crowded area, so im guessing theres not a ton of people waiting on the bus. id love to know what parents were there, what older siblings/relatives, what babbysitters etc. and who else maybe could have 'just happened' to be there? and how many had vehicles?

gah, so many things i wish were released.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 23, 2009, 11:22:08 PM
So do we think Ron was the man in black or is jr and now Crystal just making this up?  As Junior only told this to Crystal and her aunt than she told LE about this man in black,  Could Ron be the man in black or are they making this story up for some reason?

Quote
“The Sheriff’s Office is aware of what the little boy said and is following up on that lead,” Capt.  Dick Schauland told the Times-Union Monday night, “but we are not commenting on any of the interviews.”



from: http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-23/story/brother_man_in_black_grabbed_haleigh

Did the Sheriff's office talk to Jr. ?




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 23, 2009, 11:22:15 PM
So do we think Ron was the man in black or is jr and now Crystal just making this up?  As Junior only told this to Crystal and her aunt than she told LE about this man in black,  Could Ron be the man in black or are they making this story up for some reason?
I think that if it was Ron even if he was dressed in all black that JR would have noticed his dad and said dad came in the room.  I don't know if jr thought he saw someone , he did see someone, or they are making it up...Who knows with these people.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 11:25:32 PM
you guys are really scaring me. id hate to see lines drawn as people 'who understand abuse' and those who 'dont agree' with their theories, as if they may somehow be minimizing what any and all victims go thru. any kind of abuse is horrific and i dont believe for a second that anyone doesnt feel empathy for those that have ever experienced it or have had a loved one who did.

im not going to relate my own experiences, not because i think its wrong or inappropriate to do so, but because after many, many years on the net i dont like posting much personal info on public boards. thats not an indictment against those who do, my hats off to all of you, its just a matter of personal comfort levels for me.

i think crystal has many resentments, i wont speculate now what they may be, but i think she deserves an equally intensive investigation as the father since familial-y they are the two main players.jmo.

I agree everyone should be investigated thoroughly, so I check 8 counties for a record on her and couldn't come up with any except a ticket, filing a false police report......no drug charges or any violent charges at all. I also think that because she lives about 100 miles away it has been easier to alibi her.....she was in Glen St. Mary that night.

what was the false police report about, do you know?

ya i know she was, as i know that its been verified ron was at work the whole time. im curious tho who the last person to see haleigh was other than misty, one of the visiting relatives or the ac man? and what time was it? we know she was seen at school that day, that people came over after ron left, so i wish we had an accurate timeline. who else was nearby when she got off the bus, predators watch and fanatasize for quite some time, so how many people are usually around then and who are they?

IIRC, it was when RC was in a wreck and the kids were in the car, her cousin was in the car also and said they were doing drugs..........he later took a pee test and it showed no drugs (my brother can tell you how to pass anything but a hair test), and she got smacked with filing a false report.

I would also like to know exactly WHO saw the kids last other than Misty, like maybe neighbors etc., especially because in 2 different interviews RC stated he left the kids in bed under Misty's care at 10:00 ::MonkeyConfused::
::MonkeyWink::
haha within a hair! i can too but please dont tell my mom that.  ::MonkeyWink::

reports vary within the media sources and thats frustrating. after all this time tho le would have his movements nailed down tight tho from when he left for work and arrived home. i guess i kinda feel he deserves a bit of a break for being emotional considering what hes going thru, and that tim stayed close to him and involved him when he really didnt have to adds a bit of weight to me, hes been there and understands what you go thru better than most.

it would be great to know more, its not a very crowded area, so im guessing theres not a ton of people waiting on the bus. id love to know what parents were there, what older siblings/relatives, what babbysitters etc. and who else maybe could have 'just happened' to be there? and how many had vehicles?

gah, so many things i wish were released.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: I'm calling your mom tonight! ::MonkeyWink::

I wish more were being released also, at least a better timeline...........and the holdup with the trailer has me concerned ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 23, 2009, 11:29:16 PM
This is "prolly" nothing, but I'll ask it anyway. Does anyone find it odd that Ron is in a tent, or rather - now a camper, and not at his mom's multi bedroom home or some other friend or relative's house? It seems there's a reason and it doesn't strike me that the reason is that he's too emotionally tied to the exact area, the ground to leave.  I almost -  in the back burner of my foggy head - wonder if she's out there, close, and he's afraid to leave. IOW, if he leaves and he's somewhere else he'll be going crazy wondering if someone is getting "close" to finding her. This way he's there and knows where folks are and aren't.

Just recalling that Caylee was very close and wasn't found til... well... either Aug or Dec depending on how you regard the meter reader. Jon Benet was super super close (the basement) but she wasn't found exactly immediately. There are others. I hope she's alive, but what's the likely scenario for her being alive? That a ped took her and hasn't killed her yet? A horrible thought. That someone took her and sold her? Another horrible thought.

 Just thinking out loud.

Then there's that Occam's razor... the principle states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. IOW, whatever the simplest explanation is, is likely the correct one.

The intruder theory leaves too many things to chance for me and the flags go up for many weird things. The cinderblock propping, the turning on of the light, the leaving the door open, the NOT closing of the door upon seeing it "wide open," the not freaking out and thinking OMG could intuder still be here? Could be coming back let me lock the door, let me run grab BOTH kids oops one is missing but she seemed to know that it was Haleigh right off and not Jr. (from the blanket clip)

Then there's the past tense, "loved her" the "child's life back" comment and others,  the temper, the name calling, the anger, the over the top tears and angst, the short temper with reporters,  the flatout denial of true provable things, the history with LE and child services, the drug issues, the clearly enabling grandmother,.... on and on...



Myself, I'm not comfortable w/trying/convicting him before a variety of inconsistencies have been cleared up or evidence emerges. 

Also, when he said he'd look for her until ...blah, blah, blah I took it as a sentence he didn't finish because it was too repulsive a thought to be spoken aloud and he caught himself.

As re. the talk of abuse:  plenty of people are verbally abusive but never lift a hand to a spouse/live-in/child.  I still haven't seen evidence that he punched anyone out, let alone his daughter.  If you have evidence, I'd welcome seeing what so many of you all percieve.

I agree w/some things any number of posters have stated.  But imho, suggesting that he hauled his baby girl to some bridge (and did what?) 'cause he's a crane operator is more than a bit premature and in my mind not a whole lot different than what GR did to Ronald Cummings on that inflammatory and obviously biased broadcast.

Don't get me wrong--I'm more than a bit concerned about the whole mess.  I could go on and on about what I think about the personalities involved (and will :smt102), but this is not a Caylee case where one person had a documented history of deception etc., not to mention her grandmothers call to 911 that sad, sad day.

I know this is a place where folks hash out their ideas and suspcions.  I just think its early days yet to throw RC (the dad) under the bus--though I absolutely agree that in light of the lax supervision of his daughter, he fell way short of the mark and may well regret that lapse in judgement for the rest of his life. 

Foggy

About the verbal abuse and physical abuse correlation, I agree; Some people can be verbally abusive without being physically abusive. However, I don't think it's an impossible leap in logic for me to fathom or consider that a man who strikes a woman could possibly strike a child.   

Last night Craig Rivera mentioned a document (I'll look for a link) regarding Ron's violation of  an injunction for protection. Crystal had filed an injunction, but then dropped the charges which is not unheard of in cases with spouses/girlfriends. Of course, Craig Rivera could be lying on air, but that seems foolish since it's something that can be verified. Also, I realize that it's possible that Crystal could have filed a false claim against Ron; so I guess that goes to... do I believe her when I watch her talk about it. Yes, I believe her when she says Ron hit her. It's just an opinion of my impression of her. Additionally, Ron's threats, his temper, and Misty's fear are palpable IMO. Misty could be terrified of TV, but I get a different vibe from her that she's afraid of Ron in particular. That's just my take on it.


Rana, I don't give a blankety-blank about what Geraldo or Greg Rivera say.  Many of their sources are unamed, so they can take a long walk off a short pier as far as I'm concerned.

Yet they don't mind putting the bereft young man's feet to the fire on nat'l tv.  Calling them bottom feeders is an insult to catfish et al everywhere.

Re. orders of protection:  bio mom said herself that she returned to him over and over.  And for what?  Sex and drugs?  The kids?  She leaves a man over and over because she's afraid of him, but leaves her helpless little lambs w/him? 

I'm not sure why you are throwing in with bio mom and frankly I don't care.  I'm only responding to you because I think some of your speculation is along the lines of Geraldos and I in good conscience cannot let that go unchallenged since you (and Geraldo) have yet to put forth hard evidence that bio dad is the monster you are attempting to define.

And one other thing:  of course no "monkeys" looked askance at your opinions 'bout other cases since it appears you are a new poster--unless you've posted in the past under another appelation of course  :smt102
.

Live well.

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 23, 2009, 11:33:15 PM
you guys are really scaring me. id hate to see lines drawn as people 'who understand abuse' and those who 'dont agree' with their theories, as if they may somehow be minimizing what any and all victims go thru. any kind of abuse is horrific and i dont believe for a second that anyone doesnt feel empathy for those that have ever experienced it or have had a loved one who did.

im not going to relate my own experiences, not because i think its wrong or inappropriate to do so, but because after many, many years on the net i dont like posting much personal info on public boards. thats not an indictment against those who do, my hats off to all of you, its just a matter of personal comfort levels for me.

i think crystal has many resentments, i wont speculate now what they may be, but i think she deserves an equally intensive investigation as the father since familial-y they are the two main players.jmo.

I agree everyone should be investigated thoroughly, so I check 8 counties for a record on her and couldn't come up with any except a ticket, filing a false police report......no drug charges or any violent charges at all. I also think that because she lives about 100 miles away it has been easier to alibi her.....she was in Glen St. Mary that night.

what was the false police report about, do you know?

ya i know she was, as i know that its been verified ron was at work the whole time. im curious tho who the last person to see haleigh was other than misty, one of the visiting relatives or the ac man? and what time was it? we know she was seen at school that day, that people came over after ron left, so i wish we had an accurate timeline. who else was nearby when she got off the bus, predators watch and fanatasize for quite some time, so how many people are usually around then and who are they?

IIRC, it was when RC was in a wreck and the kids were in the car, her cousin was in the car also and said they were doing drugs..........he later took a pee test and it showed no drugs (my brother can tell you how to pass anything but a hair test), and she got smacked with filing a false report.

I would also like to know exactly WHO saw the kids last other than Misty, like maybe neighbors etc., especially because in 2 different interviews RC stated he left the kids in bed under Misty's care at 10:00 ::MonkeyConfused::
::MonkeyWink::
haha within a hair! i can too but please dont tell my mom that.  ::MonkeyWink::

reports vary within the media sources and thats frustrating. after all this time tho le would have his movements nailed down tight tho from when he left for work and arrived home. i guess i kinda feel he deserves a bit of a break for being emotional considering what hes going thru, and that tim stayed close to him and involved him when he really didnt have to adds a bit of weight to me, hes been there and understands what you go thru better than most.

it would be great to know more, its not a very crowded area, so im guessing theres not a ton of people waiting on the bus. id love to know what parents were there, what older siblings/relatives, what babbysitters etc. and who else maybe could have 'just happened' to be there? and how many had vehicles?

gah, so many things i wish were released.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: I'm calling your mom tonight! ::MonkeyWink::

I wish more were being released also, at least a better timeline...........and the holdup with the trailer has me concerned ::MonkeyNoNo::

haha noooooooooo pleaseeeeeee  ::MonkeyLaugh::

now that is fascinating me too. iirc even the nicole brown/ron goldman crime scene was released sooner than this, what are they trying to preserve? granted im sure they dont have as much manpower as lapd, but they have outside assistance now, so whats still holding it up.

ive been trying to think of what couldnt be collected, they have no prob taking sections of wall or tearing up the pumbling if they have to, so what on earth is it? i cant come up with anything yet, how about you, its just baffling me.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 11:39:33 PM
Some things others are hearing on the 911 tape:

I just did...about 5:10 to 5:16 he says "the m-fer is unlocked"...the lock is sideways...or at least that's what it sounds like to me.....hmmm...


I did and I heard RC say in background "the lock's turned sideways"(when the operator asks if the lock is broken-they check it) and I heard him say something about "5 days". I couldn't hear too much with just my laptop sound all the way up but when I put on good headphones....picked up other stuff.

I can hear that also.........but do not know about the 5 days......check again.
Now we were told that Misty was kicked out of the house for 3 days and came back (drugs) does he mean 5 days Misti has been high? He calls her names also. He's really angry..........goung to listen again......wish we had a transcript or a way to slow it all down........

I heard, "Why is the door open? the *expletive deleted* is unlocked. The lock is sideways."

Ok this is what I hear in background: Very beginning it sounds like Ron is outside yelling Haleigh's name.

Around 39 sec -wah wah "let my daughter get stolen in the middle of the night"?!

Around 1:36 -wah wah "5 days ago" wah wah wah.....

Around 5:12 - lots of wah before and after"lock sideways"


interesting...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 11:41:46 PM
you guys are really scaring me. id hate to see lines drawn as people 'who understand abuse' and those who 'dont agree' with their theories, as if they may somehow be minimizing what any and all victims go thru. any kind of abuse is horrific and i dont believe for a second that anyone doesnt feel empathy for those that have ever experienced it or have had a loved one who did.

im not going to relate my own experiences, not because i think its wrong or inappropriate to do so, but because after many, many years on the net i dont like posting much personal info on public boards. thats not an indictment against those who do, my hats off to all of you, its just a matter of personal comfort levels for me.

i think crystal has many resentments, i wont speculate now what they may be, but i think she deserves an equally intensive investigation as the father since familial-y they are the two main players.jmo.

I agree everyone should be investigated thoroughly, so I check 8 counties for a record on her and couldn't come up with any except a ticket, filing a false police report......no drug charges or any violent charges at all. I also think that because she lives about 100 miles away it has been easier to alibi her.....she was in Glen St. Mary that night.

what was the false police report about, do you know?

ya i know she was, as i know that its been verified ron was at work the whole time. im curious tho who the last person to see haleigh was other than misty, one of the visiting relatives or the ac man? and what time was it? we know she was seen at school that day, that people came over after ron left, so i wish we had an accurate timeline. who else was nearby when she got off the bus, predators watch and fanatasize for quite some time, so how many people are usually around then and who are they?

IIRC, it was when RC was in a wreck and the kids were in the car, her cousin was in the car also and said they were doing drugs..........he later took a pee test and it showed no drugs (my brother can tell you how to pass anything but a hair test), and she got smacked with filing a false report.

I would also like to know exactly WHO saw the kids last other than Misty, like maybe neighbors etc., especially because in 2 different interviews RC stated he left the kids in bed under Misty's care at 10:00 ::MonkeyConfused::
::MonkeyWink::
haha within a hair! i can too but please dont tell my mom that.  ::MonkeyWink::

reports vary within the media sources and thats frustrating. after all this time tho le would have his movements nailed down tight tho from when he left for work and arrived home. i guess i kinda feel he deserves a bit of a break for being emotional considering what hes going thru, and that tim stayed close to him and involved him when he really didnt have to adds a bit of weight to me, hes been there and understands what you go thru better than most.

it would be great to know more, its not a very crowded area, so im guessing theres not a ton of people waiting on the bus. id love to know what parents were there, what older siblings/relatives, what babbysitters etc. and who else maybe could have 'just happened' to be there? and how many had vehicles?

gah, so many things i wish were released.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: I'm calling your mom tonight! ::MonkeyWink::

I wish more were being released also, at least a better timeline...........and the holdup with the trailer has me concerned ::MonkeyNoNo::

haha noooooooooo pleaseeeeeee  ::MonkeyLaugh::

now that is fascinating me too. iirc even the nicole brown/ron goldman crime scene was released sooner than this, what are they trying to preserve? granted im sure they dont have as much manpower as lapd, but they have outside assistance now, so whats still holding it up.

ive been trying to think of what couldnt be collected, they have no prob taking sections of wall or tearing up the pumbling if they have to, so what on earth is it? i cant come up with anything yet, how about you, its just baffling me.

It's baffling to me also~it peaks my curiosity to a new level. The only thing I can think of is that they might have some type of luminol evidence in there........but, that would me she.....well you know > passed there< because if she was only taken from there what else would they need? Again, clueless on the beach ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 11:45:03 PM
This is "prolly" nothing, but I'll ask it anyway. Does anyone find it odd that Ron is in a tent, or rather - now a camper, and not at his mom's multi bedroom home or some other friend or relative's house? It seems there's a reason and it doesn't strike me that the reason is that he's too emotionally tied to the exact area, the ground to leave.  I almost -  in the back burner of my foggy head - wonder if she's out there, close, and he's afraid to leave. IOW, if he leaves and he's somewhere else he'll be going crazy wondering if someone is getting "close" to finding her. This way he's there and knows where folks are and aren't.

Just recalling that Caylee was very close and wasn't found til... well... either Aug or Dec depending on how you regard the meter reader. Jon Benet was super super close (the basement) but she wasn't found exactly immediately. There are others. I hope she's alive, but what's the likely scenario for her being alive? That a ped took her and hasn't killed her yet? A horrible thought. That someone took her and sold her? Another horrible thought.

 Just thinking out loud.

Then there's that Occam's razor... the principle states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. IOW, whatever the simplest explanation is, is likely the correct one.

The intruder theory leaves too many things to chance for me and the flags go up for many weird things. The cinderblock propping, the turning on of the light, the leaving the door open, the NOT closing of the door upon seeing it "wide open," the not freaking out and thinking OMG could intuder still be here? Could be coming back let me lock the door, let me run grab BOTH kids oops one is missing but she seemed to know that it was Haleigh right off and not Jr. (from the blanket clip)

Then there's the past tense, "loved her" the "child's life back" comment and others,  the temper, the name calling, the anger, the over the top tears and angst, the short temper with reporters,  the flatout denial of true provable things, the history with LE and child services, the drug issues, the clearly enabling grandmother,.... on and on...



Myself, I'm not comfortable w/trying/convicting him before a variety of inconsistencies have been cleared up or evidence emerges. 

Also, when he said he'd look for her until ...blah, blah, blah I took it as a sentence he didn't finish because it was too repulsive a thought to be spoken aloud and he caught himself.

As re. the talk of abuse:  plenty of people are verbally abusive but never lift a hand to a spouse/live-in/child.  I still haven't seen evidence that he punched anyone out, let alone his daughter.  If you have evidence, I'd welcome seeing what so many of you all percieve.

I agree w/some things any number of posters have stated.  But imho, suggesting that he hauled his baby girl to some bridge (and did what?) 'cause he's a crane operator is more than a bit premature and in my mind not a whole lot different than what GR did to Ronald Cummings on that inflammatory and obviously biased broadcast.

Don't get me wrong--I'm more than a bit concerned about the whole mess.  I could go on and on about what I think about the personalities involved (and will :smt102), but this is not a Caylee case where one person had a documented history of deception etc., not to mention her grandmothers call to 911 that sad, sad day.

I know this is a place where folks hash out their ideas and suspcions.  I just think its early days yet to throw RC (the dad) under the bus--though I absolutely agree that in light of the lax supervision of his daughter, he fell way short of the mark and may well regret that lapse in judgement for the rest of his life. 

Foggy

About the verbal abuse and physical abuse correlation, I agree; Some people can be verbally abusive without being physically abusive. However, I don't think it's an impossible leap in logic for me to fathom or consider that a man who strikes a woman could possibly strike a child.   

Last night Craig Rivera mentioned a document (I'll look for a link) regarding Ron's violation of  an injunction for protection. Crystal had filed an injunction, but then dropped the charges which is not unheard of in cases with spouses/girlfriends. Of course, Craig Rivera could be lying on air, but that seems foolish since it's something that can be verified. Also, I realize that it's possible that Crystal could have filed a false claim against Ron; so I guess that goes to... do I believe her when I watch her talk about it. Yes, I believe her when she says Ron hit her. It's just an opinion of my impression of her. Additionally, Ron's threats, his temper, and Misty's fear are palpable IMO. Misty could be terrified of TV, but I get a different vibe from her that she's afraid of Ron in particular. That's just my take on it.


Rana, I don't give a blankety-blank about what Geraldo or Greg Rivera say.  Many of their sources are unamed, so they can take a long walk off a short pier as far as I'm concerned.

Yet they don't mind putting the bereft young man's feet to the fire on nat'l tv.  Calling them bottom feeders is an insult to catfish et al everywhere.

Re. orders of protection:  bio mom said herself that she returned to him over and over.  And for what?  Sex and drugs?  The kids?  She leaves a man over and over because she's afraid of him, but leaves her helpless little lambs w/him? 

I'm not sure why you are throwing in with bio mom and frankly I don't care.  I'm only responding to you because I think some of your speculation is along the lines of Geraldos and I in good conscience cannot let that go unchallenged since you (and Geraldo) have yet to put forth hard evidence that bio dad is the monster you are attempting to define.

And one other thing:  of course no "monkeys" looked askance at your opinions 'bout other cases since it appears you are a new poster--unless you've posted in the past under another appelation of course  :smt102
.  

Live well.

Foggy [/color]


HUH? We were all new posters once .....I have been reading since the NH case and only started posting since the Caylee Marie case. I don't really see anything suspicous about a new poster, but maybe that's just me ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 23, 2009, 11:45:46 PM
I have been here on this thread since it began.

The past two days, I have posted and no one has replied to any of my posts.

I don't get it.

I'll go back to lurking.

 ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 23, 2009, 11:49:06 PM
you guys are really scaring me. id hate to see lines drawn as people 'who understand abuse' and those who 'dont agree' with their theories, as if they may somehow be minimizing what any and all victims go thru. any kind of abuse is horrific and i dont believe for a second that anyone doesnt feel empathy for those that have ever experienced it or have had a loved one who did.

im not going to relate my own experiences, not because i think its wrong or inappropriate to do so, but because after many, many years on the net i dont like posting much personal info on public boards. thats not an indictment against those who do, my hats off to all of you, its just a matter of personal comfort levels for me.

i think crystal has many resentments, i wont speculate now what they may be, but i think she deserves an equally intensive investigation as the father since familial-y they are the two main players.jmo.

I agree everyone should be investigated thoroughly, so I check 8 counties for a record on her and couldn't come up with any except a ticket, filing a false police report......no drug charges or any violent charges at all. I also think that because she lives about 100 miles away it has been easier to alibi her.....she was in Glen St. Mary that night.

what was the false police report about, do you know?

ya i know she was, as i know that its been verified ron was at work the whole time. im curious tho who the last person to see haleigh was other than misty, one of the visiting relatives or the ac man? and what time was it? we know she was seen at school that day, that people came over after ron left, so i wish we had an accurate timeline. who else was nearby when she got off the bus, predators watch and fanatasize for quite some time, so how many people are usually around then and who are they?

IIRC, it was when RC was in a wreck and the kids were in the car, her cousin was in the car also and said they were doing drugs..........he later took a pee test and it showed no drugs (my brother can tell you how to pass anything but a hair test), and she got smacked with filing a false report.

I would also like to know exactly WHO saw the kids last other than Misty, like maybe neighbors etc., especially because in 2 different interviews RC stated he left the kids in bed under Misty's care at 10:00 ::MonkeyConfused::
::MonkeyWink::
haha within a hair! i can too but please dont tell my mom that.  ::MonkeyWink::

reports vary within the media sources and thats frustrating. after all this time tho le would have his movements nailed down tight tho from when he left for work and arrived home. i guess i kinda feel he deserves a bit of a break for being emotional considering what hes going thru, and that tim stayed close to him and involved him when he really didnt have to adds a bit of weight to me, hes been there and understands what you go thru better than most.

it would be great to know more, its not a very crowded area, so im guessing theres not a ton of people waiting on the bus. id love to know what parents were there, what older siblings/relatives, what babbysitters etc. and who else maybe could have 'just happened' to be there? and how many had vehicles?

gah, so many things i wish were released.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: I'm calling your mom tonight! ::MonkeyWink::

I wish more were being released also, at least a better timeline...........and the holdup with the trailer has me concerned ::MonkeyNoNo::

haha noooooooooo pleaseeeeeee  ::MonkeyLaugh::

now that is fascinating me too. iirc even the nicole brown/ron goldman crime scene was released sooner than this, what are they trying to preserve? granted im sure they dont have as much manpower as lapd, but they have outside assistance now, so whats still holding it up.

ive been trying to think of what couldnt be collected, they have no prob taking sections of wall or tearing up the pumbling if they have to, so what on earth is it? i cant come up with anything yet, how about you, its just baffling me.

It's baffling to me also~it peaks my curiosity to a new level. The only thing I can think of is that they might have some type of luminol evidence in there........but, that would me she.....well you know > passed there< because if she was only taken from there what else would they need? Again, clueless on the beach ::MonkeyConfused::

 ya i know but they just use that to spotlight the blood and other fluids, they then photograph, swab and save. if it too big they just take the whole section out, they dont mind ripping things apart if they had to. then i thought maybe the floors, and thats why they cant go back in, because its unsafe. but then theyd be focused at home and they dont seem to be obsessively so. help, what else can we think of, this is driving me nuts!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 23, 2009, 11:51:16 PM
To me there is a huge difference b/w freaking out totally  - which  I can completely understand - and being aggressive and abusive to the responders and Misty. 






Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 23, 2009, 11:52:51 PM
I have been here on this thread since it began.

The past two days, I have posted and no one has replied to any of my posts.

I don't get it.

I'll go back to lurking.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

 ::MonkeyWaa:: Don't go round lurking~I'm usually invisible monkey myself......


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 23, 2009, 11:53:57 PM
I have been here on this thread since it began.

The past two days, I have posted and no one has replied to any of my posts.

I don't get it.

I'll go back to lurking.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Brandi there have been some disagreements about who to throw under the bus first Ron or Crystal?  I am looking for some fresh idea's.  So hit me woman!  Don't lurk we can't let mob mentality rule the tree!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 23, 2009, 11:55:22 PM
So do we think Ron was the man in black or is jr and now Crystal just making this up?  As Junior only told this to Crystal and her aunt than she told LE about this man in black,  Could Ron be the man in black or are they making this story up for some reason?

Quote
“The Sheriff’s Office is aware of what the little boy said and is following up on that lead,” Capt.  Dick Schauland told the Times-Union Monday night, “but we are not commenting on any of the interviews.”



from: http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-23/story/brother_man_in_black_grabbed_haleigh

Did the Sheriff's office talk to Jr. ?




they had a number of people who specialize in dealing with children in these situations talk to him.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 23, 2009, 11:55:51 PM
Nice job IM ::MonkeyDance:: . May I also add something odd? At no time did Misty say she then when to check on Ronny Jr... wouldn't that only make sense?

Sure, feel free to add to my list and toss that on one, another odd thing is the fact she even stayed in the house after realizing Haleigh wasn't in it and the door was open, I think almost anyone else would have picked up the other child an running screaming to the neighbors in fear and called 911.......OOPS, just remembered another thin godd Ron didn't cal 911, Misty did (distancing himself away from the act), and when he does talk with them, he hangs up on them.


Island, I've said it once (or twice), but I'll repeat it.

If I came home and found my child "gone", I'd shout to the babysitter/new "mate" (whatever) to call 911 while I tried to call my child home.  I don't blame him a bit for going nuts on that 911 call...and I daresay most 911 ops and LE wouldn't blame him either.  He asked about the relevevance of her DOB--so would I if I'd already stated child was 5.  A person who is living the horror of a major loss isn't apt to hang on the line.  Myself, I prob would have dropped the phone (in between blessin' The Fates and the irrelevant questions (to him) and headed back out the door to holler for my lost child.

Of course there is more here than meets the eye.  But I'm not gonna hang my hat on that 911 call...at least as re. the bio dad.

Foggy


It's far more than the 911 call.....I made a list earlier and I stand by that. I'm not saying he had anything to do with her disappearance, just pointing out inconsistencies in the stories. I've had to call 911 on more than one occasion, once when my stepson was convulsing and had almost no pulse, I stayed with him on a cordless phone so I could help as much as possible, his mom is a dispatcher for the SO and surely he knows the person he is calling is not the one on the way to investigate. I never heard him go outside and yell for her.......he already assumed "someone stole her".



I agree.. Ron already had assume someone stole Haleigh and ready to kill HIM with his gun.. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 23, 2009, 11:59:50 PM
So do we think Ron was the man in black or is jr and now Crystal just making this up?  As Junior only told this to Crystal and her aunt than she told LE about this man in black,  Could Ron be the man in black or are they making this story up for some reason?

Quote
“The Sheriff’s Office is aware of what the little boy said and is following up on that lead,” Capt.  Dick Schauland told the Times-Union Monday night, “but we are not commenting on any of the interviews.”



from: http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-23/story/brother_man_in_black_grabbed_haleigh

Did the Sheriff's office talk to Jr. ?




Brandi - I think they must have because I believe the search over the weekend near the house was based on what JR said?  Maybe?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 12:06:33 AM
I have been here on this thread since it began.

The past two days, I have posted and no one has replied to any of my posts.

I don't get it.

I'll go back to lurking.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Brandi there have been some disagreements about who to throw under the bus first Ron or Crystal?  I am looking for some fresh idea's.  So hit me woman!  Don't lurk we can't let mob mentality rule the tree!

How about KFN~I'll gladly throw them under any bus any day ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 12:08:30 AM
This is "prolly" nothing, but I'll ask it anyway. Does anyone find it odd that Ron is in a tent, or rather - now a camper, and not at his mom's multi bedroom home or some other friend or relative's house? It seems there's a reason and it doesn't strike me that the reason is that he's too emotionally tied to the exact area, the ground to leave.  I almost -  in the back burner of my foggy head - wonder if she's out there, close, and he's afraid to leave. IOW, if he leaves and he's somewhere else he'll be going crazy wondering if someone is getting "close" to finding her. This way he's there and knows where folks are and aren't.

Just recalling that Caylee was very close and wasn't found til... well... either Aug or Dec depending on how you regard the meter reader. Jon Benet was super super close (the basement) but she wasn't found exactly immediately. There are others. I hope she's alive, but what's the likely scenario for her being alive? That a ped took her and hasn't killed her yet? A horrible thought. That someone took her and sold her? Another horrible thought.

 Just thinking out loud.

Then there's that Occam's razor... the principle states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. IOW, whatever the simplest explanation is, is likely the correct one.

The intruder theory leaves too many things to chance for me and the flags go up for many weird things. The cinderblock propping, the turning on of the light, the leaving the door open, the NOT closing of the door upon seeing it "wide open," the not freaking out and thinking OMG could intuder still be here? Could be coming back let me lock the door, let me run grab BOTH kids oops one is missing but she seemed to know that it was Haleigh right off and not Jr. (from the blanket clip)

Then there's the past tense, "loved her" the "child's life back" comment and others,  the temper, the name calling, the anger, the over the top tears and angst, the short temper with reporters,  the flatout denial of true provable things, the history with LE and child services, the drug issues, the clearly enabling grandmother,.... on and on...



Myself, I'm not comfortable w/trying/convicting him before a variety of inconsistencies have been cleared up or evidence emerges. 

Also, when he said he'd look for her until ...blah, blah, blah I took it as a sentence he didn't finish because it was too repulsive a thought to be spoken aloud and he caught himself.

As re. the talk of abuse:  plenty of people are verbally abusive but never lift a hand to a spouse/live-in/child.  I still haven't seen evidence that he punched anyone out, let alone his daughter.  If you have evidence, I'd welcome seeing what so many of you all percieve.

I agree w/some things any number of posters have stated.  But imho, suggesting that he hauled his baby girl to some bridge (and did what?) 'cause he's a crane operator is more than a bit premature and in my mind not a whole lot different than what GR did to Ronald Cummings on that inflammatory and obviously biased broadcast.

Don't get me wrong--I'm more than a bit concerned about the whole mess.  I could go on and on about what I think about the personalities involved (and will :smt102), but this is not a Caylee case where one person had a documented history of deception etc., not to mention her grandmothers call to 911 that sad, sad day.

I know this is a place where folks hash out their ideas and suspcions.  I just think its early days yet to throw RC (the dad) under the bus--though I absolutely agree that in light of the lax supervision of his daughter, he fell way short of the mark and may well regret that lapse in judgement for the rest of his life. 

Foggy

About the verbal abuse and physical abuse correlation, I agree; Some people can be verbally abusive without being physically abusive. However, I don't think it's an impossible leap in logic for me to fathom or consider that a man who strikes a woman could possibly strike a child.   

Last night Craig Rivera mentioned a document (I'll look for a link) regarding Ron's violation of  an injunction for protection. Crystal had filed an injunction, but then dropped the charges which is not unheard of in cases with spouses/girlfriends. Of course, Craig Rivera could be lying on air, but that seems foolish since it's something that can be verified. Also, I realize that it's possible that Crystal could have filed a false claim against Ron; so I guess that goes to... do I believe her when I watch her talk about it. Yes, I believe her when she says Ron hit her. It's just an opinion of my impression of her. Additionally, Ron's threats, his temper, and Misty's fear are palpable IMO. Misty could be terrified of TV, but I get a different vibe from her that she's afraid of Ron in particular. That's just my take on it.


Rana, I don't give a blankety-blank about what Geraldo or Greg Rivera say.  Many of their sources are unamed, so they can take a long walk off a short pier as far as I'm concerned.

Yet they don't mind putting the bereft young man's feet to the fire on nat'l tv.  Calling them bottom feeders is an insult to catfish et al everywhere.

Re. orders of protection:  bio mom said herself that she returned to him over and over.  And for what?  Sex and drugs?  The kids?  She leaves a man over and over because she's afraid of him, but leaves her helpless little lambs w/him? 

I'm not sure why you are throwing in with bio mom and frankly I don't care.  I'm only responding to you because I think some of your speculation is along the lines of Geraldos and I in good conscience cannot let that go unchallenged since you (and Geraldo) have yet to put forth hard evidence that bio dad is the monster you are attempting to define.

And one other thing:  of course no "monkeys" looked askance at your opinions 'bout other cases since it appears you are a new poster--unless you've posted in the past under another appelation of course  :smt102
.

Live well.

Foggy

Sorry for the stack again all.

Foggy I agree.  This tree is getting stagnant w/one sided theories.  I'm still waiting for a some good posters that were here to come back from earlier run offs with some fresh insight into this mess.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 12:16:14 AM
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18778590/detail.html

While neither of Haleigh's parents would speak to the media after the incident, Haleigh's maternal grandmother wasn't surprised at the confrontation between the family and Rivera.

"It's our word against his. You know, he says no and we say yes," said Haleigh's maternal grandmother, Marie Griffis.

Haleigh's family members on both sides said the drama and accusations have taken away from their shared goal of finding Haleigh.

"All of the commotion it caused took away from the searching and leads for Haleigh. We just want Haleigh, and the media slows down more and more each day because it's getting longer and longer," Sykes said.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 24, 2009, 12:20:09 AM
This is "prolly" nothing, but I'll ask it anyway. Does anyone find it odd that Ron is in a tent, or rather - now a camper, and not at his mom's multi bedroom home or some other friend or relative's house? It seems there's a reason and it doesn't strike me that the reason is that he's too emotionally tied to the exact area, the ground to leave.  I almost -  in the back burner of my foggy head - wonder if she's out there, close, and he's afraid to leave. IOW, if he leaves and he's somewhere else he'll be going crazy wondering if someone is getting "close" to finding her. This way he's there and knows where folks are and aren't.

Just recalling that Caylee was very close and wasn't found til... well... either Aug or Dec depending on how you regard the meter reader. Jon Benet was super super close (the basement) but she wasn't found exactly immediately. There are others. I hope she's alive, but what's the likely scenario for her being alive? That a ped took her and hasn't killed her yet? A horrible thought. That someone took her and sold her? Another horrible thought.

 Just thinking out loud.

Then there's that Occam's razor... the principle states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. IOW, whatever the simplest explanation is, is likely the correct one.

The intruder theory leaves too many things to chance for me and the flags go up for many weird things. The cinderblock propping, the turning on of the light, the leaving the door open, the NOT closing of the door upon seeing it "wide open," the not freaking out and thinking OMG could intuder still be here? Could be coming back let me lock the door, let me run grab BOTH kids oops one is missing but she seemed to know that it was Haleigh right off and not Jr. (from the blanket clip)

Then there's the past tense, "loved her" the "child's life back" comment and others,  the temper, the name calling, the anger, the over the top tears and angst, the short temper with reporters,  the flatout denial of true provable things, the history with LE and child services, the drug issues, the clearly enabling grandmother,.... on and on...



Myself, I'm not comfortable w/trying/convicting him before a variety of inconsistencies have been cleared up or evidence emerges. 

Also, when he said he'd look for her until ...blah, blah, blah I took it as a sentence he didn't finish because it was too repulsive a thought to be spoken aloud and he caught himself.

As re. the talk of abuse:  plenty of people are verbally abusive but never lift a hand to a spouse/live-in/child.  I still haven't seen evidence that he punched anyone out, let alone his daughter.  If you have evidence, I'd welcome seeing what so many of you all percieve.

I agree w/some things any number of posters have stated.  But imho, suggesting that he hauled his baby girl to some bridge (and did what?) 'cause he's a crane operator is more than a bit premature and in my mind not a whole lot different than what GR did to Ronald Cummings on that inflammatory and obviously biased broadcast.

Don't get me wrong--I'm more than a bit concerned about the whole mess.  I could go on and on about what I think about the personalities involved (and will :smt102), but this is not a Caylee case where one person had a documented history of deception etc., not to mention her grandmothers call to 911 that sad, sad day.

I know this is a place where folks hash out their ideas and suspcions.  I just think its early days yet to throw RC (the dad) under the bus--though I absolutely agree that in light of the lax supervision of his daughter, he fell way short of the mark and may well regret that lapse in judgement for the rest of his life. 

Foggy

About the verbal abuse and physical abuse correlation, I agree; Some people can be verbally abusive without being physically abusive. However, I don't think it's an impossible leap in logic for me to fathom or consider that a man who strikes a woman could possibly strike a child.   

Last night Craig Rivera mentioned a document (I'll look for a link) regarding Ron's violation of  an injunction for protection. Crystal had filed an injunction, but then dropped the charges which is not unheard of in cases with spouses/girlfriends. Of course, Craig Rivera could be lying on air, but that seems foolish since it's something that can be verified. Also, I realize that it's possible that Crystal could have filed a false claim against Ron; so I guess that goes to... do I believe her when I watch her talk about it. Yes, I believe her when she says Ron hit her. It's just an opinion of my impression of her. Additionally, Ron's threats, his temper, and Misty's fear are palpable IMO. Misty could be terrified of TV, but I get a different vibe from her that she's afraid of Ron in particular. That's just my take on it.


Rana, I don't give a blankety-blank about what Geraldo or Greg Rivera say.  Many of their sources are unamed, so they can take a long walk off a short pier as far as I'm concerned.

Yet they don't mind putting the bereft young man's feet to the fire on nat'l tv.  Calling them bottom feeders is an insult to catfish et al everywhere.

Re. orders of protection:  bio mom said herself that she returned to him over and over.  And for what?  Sex and drugs?  The kids?  She leaves a man over and over because she's afraid of him, but leaves her helpless little lambs w/him? 

I'm not sure why you are throwing in with bio mom and frankly I don't care.  I'm only responding to you because I think some of your speculation is along the lines of Geraldos and I in good conscience cannot let that go unchallenged since you (and Geraldo) have yet to put forth hard evidence that bio dad is the monster you are attempting to define.

And one other thing:  of course no "monkeys" looked askance at your opinions 'bout other cases since it appears you are a new poster--unless you've posted in the past under another appelation of course  :smt102
.

Live well.

Foggy
Rana, I don't give a blankety-blank about what Geraldo or Greg Rivera say.  Many of their sources are unamed, so they can take a long walk off a short pier as far as I'm concerned.

There is a record of a domestic violence injunction violation and that's what I was referring to. I believe it was Islandmonkey who posted the link a couple of pages back. I don't know about the Brothers Rivera and their reports on other cases. I was referring to this specific one.

  Re. orders of protection:  bio mom said herself that she returned to him over and over.  And for what?  Sex and drugs?  The kids?  She leaves a man over and over because she's afraid of him, but leaves her helpless little lambs w/him? 

It's not unusual for a woman to go to back a man more than once before she finally has the fortitude, courage, strength - whatever the word you want to call it  - to leave him.

I'm not sure why you are throwing in with bio mom and frankly I don't care.  I'm only responding to you because I think some of your speculation is along the lines of Geraldos and I in good conscience cannot let that go unchallenged since you (and Geraldo) have yet to put forth hard evidence that bio dad is the monster you are attempting to define.

I didn't need to "put forth hard eveidence" for you since I was merely commenting on what has already transpired. I believe I'm allowed to comment on observations and impressions I have even if they happen to be incongruent with yours. And I don't recall defining anyone as a "monster." You may direct me to the post to remind me though.

And one other thing:  of course no "monkeys" looked askance at your opinions 'bout other cases since it appears you are a new poster--unless you've posted in the past under another appelation of course 

I don't know what you mean about "...no 'monkeys' looked askance at your opinions 'bout other cases."

As for other "appelations," I don't have any. I'm new here and have felt very welcomed.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 12:21:04 AM
Even the psychic's want Haleigh to be found ok.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m2d23-Psychic-believes-Haleigh-will-be-found-alive-and-well


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 24, 2009, 12:22:37 AM
This is "prolly" nothing, but I'll ask it anyway. Does anyone find it odd that Ron is in a tent, or rather - now a camper, and not at his mom's multi bedroom home or some other friend or relative's house? It seems there's a reason and it doesn't strike me that the reason is that he's too emotionally tied to the exact area, the ground to leave.  I almost -  in the back burner of my foggy head - wonder if she's out there, close, and he's afraid to leave. IOW, if he leaves and he's somewhere else he'll be going crazy wondering if someone is getting "close" to finding her. This way he's there and knows where folks are and aren't.

Just recalling that Caylee was very close and wasn't found til... well... either Aug or Dec depending on how you regard the meter reader. Jon Benet was super super close (the basement) but she wasn't found exactly immediately. There are others. I hope she's alive, but what's the likely scenario for her being alive? That a ped took her and hasn't killed her yet? A horrible thought. That someone took her and sold her? Another horrible thought.

 Just thinking out loud.

Then there's that Occam's razor... the principle states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. IOW, whatever the simplest explanation is, is likely the correct one.

The intruder theory leaves too many things to chance for me and the flags go up for many weird things. The cinderblock propping, the turning on of the light, the leaving the door open, the NOT closing of the door upon seeing it "wide open," the not freaking out and thinking OMG could intuder still be here? Could be coming back let me lock the door, let me run grab BOTH kids oops one is missing but she seemed to know that it was Haleigh right off and not Jr. (from the blanket clip)

Then there's the past tense, "loved her" the "child's life back" comment and others,  the temper, the name calling, the anger, the over the top tears and angst, the short temper with reporters,  the flatout denial of true provable things, the history with LE and child services, the drug issues, the clearly enabling grandmother,.... on and on...



Myself, I'm not comfortable w/trying/convicting him before a variety of inconsistencies have been cleared up or evidence emerges. 

Also, when he said he'd look for her until ...blah, blah, blah I took it as a sentence he didn't finish because it was too repulsive a thought to be spoken aloud and he caught himself.

As re. the talk of abuse:  plenty of people are verbally abusive but never lift a hand to a spouse/live-in/child.  I still haven't seen evidence that he punched anyone out, let alone his daughter.  If you have evidence, I'd welcome seeing what so many of you all percieve.

I agree w/some things any number of posters have stated.  But imho, suggesting that he hauled his baby girl to some bridge (and did what?) 'cause he's a crane operator is more than a bit premature and in my mind not a whole lot different than what GR did to Ronald Cummings on that inflammatory and obviously biased broadcast.

Don't get me wrong--I'm more than a bit concerned about the whole mess.  I could go on and on about what I think about the personalities involved (and will :smt102), but this is not a Caylee case where one person had a documented history of deception etc., not to mention her grandmothers call to 911 that sad, sad day.

I know this is a place where folks hash out their ideas and suspcions.  I just think its early days yet to throw RC (the dad) under the bus--though I absolutely agree that in light of the lax supervision of his daughter, he fell way short of the mark and may well regret that lapse in judgement for the rest of his life. 

Foggy

About the verbal abuse and physical abuse correlation, I agree; Some people can be verbally abusive without being physically abusive. However, I don't think it's an impossible leap in logic for me to fathom or consider that a man who strikes a woman could possibly strike a child.   

Last night Craig Rivera mentioned a document (I'll look for a link) regarding Ron's violation of  an injunction for protection. Crystal had filed an injunction, but then dropped the charges which is not unheard of in cases with spouses/girlfriends. Of course, Craig Rivera could be lying on air, but that seems foolish since it's something that can be verified. Also, I realize that it's possible that Crystal could have filed a false claim against Ron; so I guess that goes to... do I believe her when I watch her talk about it. Yes, I believe her when she says Ron hit her. It's just an opinion of my impression of her. Additionally, Ron's threats, his temper, and Misty's fear are palpable IMO. Misty could be terrified of TV, but I get a different vibe from her that she's afraid of Ron in particular. That's just my take on it.


Rana, I don't give a blankety-blank about what Geraldo or Greg Rivera say.  Many of their sources are unamed, so they can take a long walk off a short pier as far as I'm concerned.

Yet they don't mind putting the bereft young man's feet to the fire on nat'l tv.  Calling them bottom feeders is an insult to catfish et al everywhere.

Re. orders of protection:  bio mom said herself that she returned to him over and over.  And for what?  Sex and drugs?  The kids?  She leaves a man over and over because she's afraid of him, but leaves her helpless little lambs w/him? 

I'm not sure why you are throwing in with bio mom and frankly I don't care.  I'm only responding to you because I think some of your speculation is along the lines of Geraldos and I in good conscience cannot let that go unchallenged since you (and Geraldo) have yet to put forth hard evidence that bio dad is the monster you are attempting to define.

And one other thing:  of course no "monkeys" looked askance at your opinions 'bout other cases since it appears you are a new poster--unless you've posted in the past under another appelation of course  :smt102
.  

Live well.

Foggy [/color]


HUH? We were all new posters once .....I have been reading since the NH case and only started posting since the Caylee Marie case. I don't really see anything suspicous about a new poster, but maybe that's just me ::MonkeyRoll::


Call me suspicious if you want--but it has less to do w/being a new poster (as am I) and more w/the repetive recounting of much unsubstantiated "evidence".  Speculation is one thing, but perpetuation of bull when one has cooincidentally decided to post is a little concerning to me. 

Sorry if I think what she has posted is prejudicial and not necessarily based in fact.   I also find it remarkable that all the postings on the heels of this recent child's disappearance are so tilted against the bio dad.

I'm merely suggesting that folks take everything they hear/read w/a grain of salt. 

I can't recall who posted that they sensed a lynch mob mentality about this whole mess, but I totally agree.

...still praying that Miss Haleigh comes home safe and sound... 

Foggy
[/clor] 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 12:29:49 AM
This is "prolly" nothing, but I'll ask it anyway. Does anyone find it odd that Ron is in a tent, or rather - now a camper, and not at his mom's multi bedroom home or some other friend or relative's house? It seems there's a reason and it doesn't strike me that the reason is that he's too emotionally tied to the exact area, the ground to leave.  I almost -  in the back burner of my foggy head - wonder if she's out there, close, and he's afraid to leave. IOW, if he leaves and he's somewhere else he'll be going crazy wondering if someone is getting "close" to finding her. This way he's there and knows where folks are and aren't.

Just recalling that Caylee was very close and wasn't found til... well... either Aug or Dec depending on how you regard the meter reader. Jon Benet was super super close (the basement) but she wasn't found exactly immediately. There are others. I hope she's alive, but what's the likely scenario for her being alive? That a ped took her and hasn't killed her yet? A horrible thought. That someone took her and sold her? Another horrible thought.

 Just thinking out loud.

Then there's that Occam's razor... the principle states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. IOW, whatever the simplest explanation is, is likely the correct one.

The intruder theory leaves too many things to chance for me and the flags go up for many weird things. The cinderblock propping, the turning on of the light, the leaving the door open, the NOT closing of the door upon seeing it "wide open," the not freaking out and thinking OMG could intuder still be here? Could be coming back let me lock the door, let me run grab BOTH kids oops one is missing but she seemed to know that it was Haleigh right off and not Jr. (from the blanket clip)

Then there's the past tense, "loved her" the "child's life back" comment and others,  the temper, the name calling, the anger, the over the top tears and angst, the short temper with reporters,  the flatout denial of true provable things, the history with LE and child services, the drug issues, the clearly enabling grandmother,.... on and on...



Myself, I'm not comfortable w/trying/convicting him before a variety of inconsistencies have been cleared up or evidence emerges. 

Also, when he said he'd look for her until ...blah, blah, blah I took it as a sentence he didn't finish because it was too repulsive a thought to be spoken aloud and he caught himself.

As re. the talk of abuse:  plenty of people are verbally abusive but never lift a hand to a spouse/live-in/child.  I still haven't seen evidence that he punched anyone out, let alone his daughter.  If you have evidence, I'd welcome seeing what so many of you all percieve.

I agree w/some things any number of posters have stated.  But imho, suggesting that he hauled his baby girl to some bridge (and did what?) 'cause he's a crane operator is more than a bit premature and in my mind not a whole lot different than what GR did to Ronald Cummings on that inflammatory and obviously biased broadcast.

Don't get me wrong--I'm more than a bit concerned about the whole mess.  I could go on and on about what I think about the personalities involved (and will :smt102), but this is not a Caylee case where one person had a documented history of deception etc., not to mention her grandmothers call to 911 that sad, sad day.

I know this is a place where folks hash out their ideas and suspcions.  I just think its early days yet to throw RC (the dad) under the bus--though I absolutely agree that in light of the lax supervision of his daughter, he fell way short of the mark and may well regret that lapse in judgement for the rest of his life. 

Foggy

About the verbal abuse and physical abuse correlation, I agree; Some people can be verbally abusive without being physically abusive. However, I don't think it's an impossible leap in logic for me to fathom or consider that a man who strikes a woman could possibly strike a child.   

Last night Craig Rivera mentioned a document (I'll look for a link) regarding Ron's violation of  an injunction for protection. Crystal had filed an injunction, but then dropped the charges which is not unheard of in cases with spouses/girlfriends. Of course, Craig Rivera could be lying on air, but that seems foolish since it's something that can be verified. Also, I realize that it's possible that Crystal could have filed a false claim against Ron; so I guess that goes to... do I believe her when I watch her talk about it. Yes, I believe her when she says Ron hit her. It's just an opinion of my impression of her. Additionally, Ron's threats, his temper, and Misty's fear are palpable IMO. Misty could be terrified of TV, but I get a different vibe from her that she's afraid of Ron in particular. That's just my take on it.


Rana, I don't give a blankety-blank about what Geraldo or Greg Rivera say.  Many of their sources are unamed, so they can take a long walk off a short pier as far as I'm concerned.

Yet they don't mind putting the bereft young man's feet to the fire on nat'l tv.  Calling them bottom feeders is an insult to catfish et al everywhere.

Re. orders of protection:  bio mom said herself that she returned to him over and over.  And for what?  Sex and drugs?  The kids?  She leaves a man over and over because she's afraid of him, but leaves her helpless little lambs w/him? 

I'm not sure why you are throwing in with bio mom and frankly I don't care.  I'm only responding to you because I think some of your speculation is along the lines of Geraldos and I in good conscience cannot let that go unchallenged since you (and Geraldo) have yet to put forth hard evidence that bio dad is the monster you are attempting to define.

And one other thing:  of course no "monkeys" looked askance at your opinions 'bout other cases since it appears you are a new poster--unless you've posted in the past under another appelation of course  :smt102
.  

Live well.

Foggy [/color]


HUH? We were all new posters once .....I have been reading since the NH case and only started posting since the Caylee Marie case. I don't really see anything suspicous about a new poster, but maybe that's just me ::MonkeyRoll::


Call me suspicious if you want--but it has less to do w/being a new poster (as am I) and more w/the repetive recounting of much unsubstantiated "evidence".  Speculation is one thing, but perpetuation of bull when one has cooincidentally decided to post is a little concerning to me. 

Sorry if I think what she has posted is prejudicial and not necessarily based in fact.   I also find it remarkable that all the postings on the heels of this recent child's disappearance are so tilted against the bio dad.

I'm merely suggesting that folks take everything they hear/read w/a grain of salt. 

I can't recall who posted that they sensed a lynch mob mentality about this whole mess, but I totally agree.

...still praying that Miss Haleigh comes home safe and sound... 

Foggy
[/clor] 



I do, while I like to theorize and speculate I did provide the links to all the charges from Putnam and Sarasota counties.....there were numerous drug charges,including dealing from a vehicle, morphine, herion, mary jane and opium and GHB (date rape drug), leaving the scene of an accident involving injuries and a domestic violence charge.....I also looked in more than 8 counties for records on CS, and only came up with 2, neither were drug related (not that it means anything), and the other an unpaid traffic ticket. Those allegations were substantitated. I'll provide the link and entirety of it if you wish. I also know many who have posted the past couple of days are survivors of domestic violence and they offer insight IMO.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 24, 2009, 12:33:46 AM
Geeze....

Everyone is entitled to an oppinion and speculations.. The red flags with all the

inconsistancies with Ron and Misty has me wondering what the heck really happened

that evening.. Ron's anger and foul mouth. The mobile is still taped off..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 12:36:06 AM
Interesting speculation from another web blog on Haleigh:

Haliegh wouldnt have been afraid to go to the clothes basket because the kitchen light was on, which is right by the door and the basket.and as i have aid before.. i believe the person that took her put the light on so they could see Haliegh come near the door to snatch her.

OMG! i just thought of this. and it makes alot of sence. the light was put on in the kitchen so that Haliegh WOULDNT be afraid in the dark and so that she would be seen by the person that took her, i think they were in the woods watching for her in to come by the door OR right near the door and took her when she was putting her pink top in the basket, if this is how it all happened then i would say it HAS to be someone that KNOWS she is afraid of the dark and knew she has changed her clothes and put them in the clothes basket before. What do ya'll think about my therory??? of course all this is just MO.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 24, 2009, 12:38:00 AM
HUH? We were all new posters once .....I have been reading since the NH case and only started posting since the Caylee Marie case. I don't really see anything suspicous about a new poster, but maybe that's just me ::MonkeyRoll::


Call me suspicious if you want--but it has less to do w/being a new poster (as am I) and more w/the repetive recounting of much unsubstantiated "evidence".  Speculation is one thing, but perpetuation of bull when one has cooincidentally decided to post is a little concerning to me. 

Sorry if I think what she has posted is prejudicial and not necessarily based in fact.   I also find it remarkable that all the postings on the heels of this recent child's disappearance are so tilted against the bio dad.

I'm merely suggesting that folks take everything they hear/read w/a grain of salt. 

I can't recall who posted that they sensed a lynch mob mentality about this whole mess, but I totally agree.

...still praying that Miss Haleigh comes home safe and sound... 

Foggy


FoggyDew, I wouldn't call your opinions "bull"  if I disagreed with them.

I don't believe Ron is being truthful. That is an opinion.

Also, were you not ever "new" here? How else does one participate without first being "new?"

So you say that I'm being repetitive?


......said the desert to the grain of sand.







Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 12:40:08 AM
Sarasota County:

Defendant Name: CUMMINGS RONALD L
Date of Birth: 10/29/1983
Case Number: 2005 CF 017999 NC
Uniform Case Number: 582005CF0179990001NC
Clerk Filing Date: 9/29/2005
Defense Attorney: PUBLIC DEFENDER 
Judge:   


Scheduled Court Appearance(s):
Date Time Location Description


Charges:
Statute Code General Offense Character Statute Description Disposition Date Disposition
893.13(6A) Principal DRUGS POSSESS-CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION 10/18/2005 Dropped/Abandoned
893.13(6A) Principal DRUGS POSSESS-CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION 10/18/2005 Dropped/Abandoned
893.147(1) Principal NARCOTIC EQUIP POSSESS-AND OR USE 10/18/2005 Dropped/Abandoned
741.31 Principal VIOL INJUNCTION PROTECTION DOMESTIC VIOLENCE 10/18/2005 Dropped/Abandoned
499.03 Principal DRUGS-POSSESS NEW LEGEND DRUG WO PRESCRIPTION 10/18/2005 Dropped/Abandoned


Docket Information:
Date Description Pages Image
10/27/2005 COURT EVENT CANCELLED The following event: CRIMINAL - ARRAIGNMENT FELONY scheduled for 11/04/2005 at 9:00 am has been resulted as follows: Result: CANCELLED (Criminal) 0 None
10/27/2005 Payment of Court Cost 0 None
10/19/2005 ARREST BOND RECORD CREATED Ref: Bond/Pwr No.: 2005AA079210 Initial Charge #: 1 Initial Action Code: POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE(MORPHINE) Prosecutor Count #: 1 Prosecutor Action Code: POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE(MORPHINE) Bonding Co.: AA LARAZA BAIL BONDS Bond Amount: $5000 The following field(s) on arrest bond 1 have been modified: New Bond Status Added: BOND RELEASED New Bond Status Date Added: 10/18/2005  0 None
10/18/2005 NOTICE OF CASE DISPOSITION/ACTION-DECLINED 1 Image
10/5/2005 ARREST BOND RECORD CREATED Arrest Bond Added to Case with: Arrest Date: 09/26/2005 Initial Charge #: 1 Initial Action Code: POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE(MORPHINE) Prosecutor Count #: Prosecutor Action Code: Custody Location: Bond Status: Posted Status Date: 09/28/2005 Bond Type: Surety Bond/Pwr No.: 2005AA079210 Bond Amount: $5000 Bonding Co.: AA LARAZA BAIL BONDS Cash Depositor:  0 None
10/3/2005 Court Event Set Event: CRIMINAL - ARRAIGNMENT FELONY Date: 11/04/2005 Time: 9:00 am Judge: ROBERTS, CHARLES E Location: Courtroom 3-A Result: CANCELLED (Criminal) 0 None
9/29/2005 ADVISORY HEARING BOND 2 Image
9/29/2005 COPY OF DRIVERS LICENSE 1 Image
9/29/2005 EVIDENCE / PROPERTY RECEIPT 10 Image
9/29/2005 REPORT 2 Image
9/29/2005 PROBABLE CAUSE AFFIDAVIT (FHPF05OFF062270) 17 Image
9/29/2005 NOTICE TO APPEAR - CRIMINAL 1 Image
9/28/2005 INVOCATION OF CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS 1 Image
9/28/2005 INDIGENCY CIRCUIT CASE APPROVED Receipt: 422546 Date: 10/27/ 1 Image
9/28/2005 BOND - PAPER POWER # 2005-AA-07 3 Image
9/28/2005 DECISION TO DECLINE TO APPLY FOR THE SERVICES OF THE PUBLIC DEFENDER 1 Image



PUTNAM COUNTY:

Details:

UCN: 542007MM004677XXAXMX
File Date: 2007-11-14 Judge: PETER T MILLER   
Defense Atty: 

Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2007-11-14 1 WILDLIFE CITATION - #132466-C GFFC/ EASON 11-02-07 

2007-11-14 1 POSSESSION OF MODERN FIREARM DURING MUZZLELOADING 

2007-11-14 1 SEASON 

2007-11-14 1 TRESPASS 

2007-11-14 2 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (12-18-2007) 

2007-11-29 3 NOTICE RETURNED UNEXECUTED 

2007-11-29 4 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (12/18/2007)CORRECT ADDRESS 

2007-12-18 5 ARR MIN: DEFT PRES IN COURT WAIVING RIGHT TO COUNSEL 

2007-12-18 5 ARR ENT PLEA OF NOLO CONTENDERE TO CT I - POSS OF 

2007-12-18 5 MODERN FIREARM DURING MUZZELOADING SEASON - CT II - 

2007-12-18 5 TRESPASS - NOLLE PROSEQUI - DEFT SWORN, PLEA ACCEPTED 

2007-12-18 5 DEFENDANT ADJUDGED GUILTY 

2007-12-18 5 $273.00 FINE AND COST SUSPENDED 

2007-12-18 5 24 HOURS HOUSE ARREST 

2007-12-18 6 WAIVER OF COUNSEL 

2007-12-18 7 WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO 

2007-12-18 7 CRIMINAL CHARGES IN COUNTY COURT 

2008-01-08 8 JUDGMENT AND SENTENCE CT I 


Details:

UCN: 542007MM001480XXAXMX
File Date: 2007-04-03 Judge: PETER T MILLER   
Defense Atty: BRUNTON, MACK 

Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2007-04-03 1 COMPLAINT FILED: PCSO/ WALTER 04-02-07 

2007-04-03 1 AFFRAY 

2007-04-23 2 INFORMATION (AFFRAY) 

2007-04-23 3 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (05/10/2007)CERTIFIED 

2007-05-10 4 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: COURT ORDERED CASE CONTINUED 

2007-05-10 4 TO NEXT ARRAIGNMENT 06/12/2007 

2007-05-10 5 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (06-12-2007) 

2007-05-18 6 NOTICE RETURNED UNEXECUTED - UNCLAIMED 

2007-06-12 7 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: COURT ORDERED CASE CONTINUED 

2007-06-12 7 TO NEXT ARRAIGNMENT 07/12/2007 

2007-06-12 8 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (07-12-2007) 

2007-06-14 9 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (07-12-2007) IN OFFICE 

2007-07-12 10 ARR MIN: DEFT PRES, ADJ INS P D APPT MACK BRUNTON 

2007-07-12 10 ARR ENT PLEA OF NOT GUILTY - PRE TRIAL SET 08/22/2007 

2007-07-12 11 AFFIDAVIT OF INDIGENT STATUS 

2007-07-12 11 DEFENDANT ADJUDGED INDIGENT 

2007-07-12 11 $40.00 APPLICATION FEE IMPOSED 

2007-07-12 12 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER 

2007-07-12 13 PRE-TRIAL ORDER (08-22-2007) 

2007-08-22 14 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY MACK BRUNTON 

2007-08-22 14 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE 

2007-08-22 14 CONTINUED TO 09/19/2007 

2007-08-22 15 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (09-19-2007) IN COURT 

2007-09-19 16 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFERRED PROSECUTION AGREEMENT FILED 

2007-09-19 16 AND ACCEPTED 

2007-09-19 17 DEFERRED PROSECUTION AGREEMENT 

2007-09-19 17 10 HOURS COMMUNITY SERVICE 

2007-09-19 17 $50.00 COST OF PROSECUTION 

2007-09-28 18 MEMO FROM HRDS: DEFT COMPLETED THE CONDITIONS OF HIS 

2007-09-28 18 PRE-TRIAL DIVERSION PROGRAM 

2007-10-18 19 NOTICE OF SUCCESSFUL COMPLETION OF DEFERRED 

2007-10-18 19 PROSECUTION AGREEMENT 

2007-11-28 20 $100.00 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE 09/18/2007 


Details:

UCN: 542006MM005654XXAXMX
File Date: 2006-12-19 Judge: PETER T MILLER   
Defense Atty: 

Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2006-11-14 1 TRAFFIC CITATION - #6417EEN-3 PCSO/ MANNING 10-30-06 

2006-11-14 1 LEAVING THE SCENE OF AN ACCIDENT 

2006-12-12 2 MOTION TO TRANSFER CASE TO COUNTY COURT 

2006-12-19 3 ORDER GRANTING MOTION TO TRANSFER CASE TO COUNTY COURT 

2006-12-19 3 FROM CIRCUIT COURT 06-002339-CF53 

2006-12-19 4 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (01-23-2007) 

2007-01-02 5 NOTICE RETURNED UNEXECUTED - NO SUCH NUMBER 

2007-01-05 6 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (01-23-2007) 

2007-01-12 7 NOTICE RETURNED UNEXECUTED - NO SUCH NUMBER 

2007-01-23 8 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: DEFT NOT PRESENT IN COURT 

2007-01-23 8 COURT ORDERED CAPIAS 

2007-01-23 8 BOND SET AT $1004 FIRM 

2007-01-23 9 CAPIAS ISSUED - BOND SET AT $1004 FIRM 

2007-01-25 10 CAPIAS RECALLED - CASE SET FOR ARRAIGNMENT 02/06/2007 

2007-01-25 10 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (02-06-2007) IN OFFICE 

2007-01-25 11 CHANGE OF ADDRESS 

2007-01-26 12 CAPIAS RETURNED 

2007-02-06 13 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: ON MOTION OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA THE 

2007-02-06 13 THE CASE WAS ORDERED NOLLE PROSEQUI IN OPEN COURT 

2007-02-06 13 INFRACTION DISMISSED CIT # 6416EEN2 - CARELESS DRIVING 

2007-02-06 13 INFRACTION DISMISSED CIT # 6418EEN4 - OPERATE ATV 

2007-02-06 13 W/O HELMET 

2007-02-06 14 WAIVER OF COUNSEL 


Details:

UCN: 542006MM005654XXAXMX
File Date: 2006-12-19 Judge: PETER T MILLER   
Defense Atty: 

Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2006-11-14 1 TRAFFIC CITATION - #6417EEN-3 PCSO/ MANNING 10-30-06 

2006-11-14 1 LEAVING THE SCENE OF AN ACCIDENT 

2006-12-12 2 MOTION TO TRANSFER CASE TO COUNTY COURT 

2006-12-19 3 ORDER GRANTING MOTION TO TRANSFER CASE TO COUNTY COURT 

2006-12-19 3 FROM CIRCUIT COURT 06-002339-CF53 

2006-12-19 4 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (01-23-2007) 

2007-01-02 5 NOTICE RETURNED UNEXECUTED - NO SUCH NUMBER 

2007-01-05 6 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (01-23-2007) 

2007-01-12 7 NOTICE RETURNED UNEXECUTED - NO SUCH NUMBER 

2007-01-23 8 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: DEFT NOT PRESENT IN COURT 

2007-01-23 8 COURT ORDERED CAPIAS 

2007-01-23 8 BOND SET AT $1004 FIRM 

2007-01-23 9 CAPIAS ISSUED - BOND SET AT $1004 FIRM 

2007-01-25 10 CAPIAS RECALLED - CASE SET FOR ARRAIGNMENT 02/06/2007 

2007-01-25 10 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (02-06-2007) IN OFFICE 

2007-01-25 11 CHANGE OF ADDRESS 

2007-01-26 12 CAPIAS RETURNED 

2007-02-06 13 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: ON MOTION OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA THE 

2007-02-06 13 THE CASE WAS ORDERED NOLLE PROSEQUI IN OPEN COURT 

2007-02-06 13 INFRACTION DISMISSED CIT # 6416EEN2 - CARELESS DRIVING 

2007-02-06 13 INFRACTION DISMISSED CIT # 6418EEN4 - OPERATE ATV 

2007-02-06 13 W/O HELMET 

2007-02-06 14 WAIVER OF COUNSEL 

Details:

UCN: 542006MM005654XXAXMX
File Date: 2006-12-19 Judge: PETER T MILLER   
Defense Atty: 

Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2006-11-14 1 TRAFFIC CITATION - #6417EEN-3 PCSO/ MANNING 10-30-06 

2006-11-14 1 LEAVING THE SCENE OF AN ACCIDENT 

2006-12-12 2 MOTION TO TRANSFER CASE TO COUNTY COURT 

2006-12-19 3 ORDER GRANTING MOTION TO TRANSFER CASE TO COUNTY COURT 

2006-12-19 3 FROM CIRCUIT COURT 06-002339-CF53 

2006-12-19 4 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (01-23-2007) 

2007-01-02 5 NOTICE RETURNED UNEXECUTED - NO SUCH NUMBER 

2007-01-05 6 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (01-23-2007) 

2007-01-12 7 NOTICE RETURNED UNEXECUTED - NO SUCH NUMBER 

2007-01-23 8 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: DEFT NOT PRESENT IN COURT 

2007-01-23 8 COURT ORDERED CAPIAS 

2007-01-23 8 BOND SET AT $1004 FIRM 

2007-01-23 9 CAPIAS ISSUED - BOND SET AT $1004 FIRM 

2007-01-25 10 CAPIAS RECALLED - CASE SET FOR ARRAIGNMENT 02/06/2007 

2007-01-25 10 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (02-06-2007) IN OFFICE 

2007-01-25 11 CHANGE OF ADDRESS 

2007-01-26 12 CAPIAS RETURNED 

2007-02-06 13 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: ON MOTION OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA THE 

2007-02-06 13 THE CASE WAS ORDERED NOLLE PROSEQUI IN OPEN COURT 

2007-02-06 13 INFRACTION DISMISSED CIT # 6416EEN2 - CARELESS DRIVING 

2007-02-06 13 INFRACTION DISMISSED CIT # 6418EEN4 - OPERATE ATV 

2007-02-06 13 W/O HELMET 

2007-02-06 14 WAIVER OF COUNSEL 



Details:

UCN: 542006MM003417XXAXMX
File Date: 2006-08-01 Judge: PETER T MILLER   
Defense Atty: BRUNTON, MACK 

Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2006-08-01 1 ARREST REPORT - PCSO/ MAY (ARREST 07-29-2006) 

2006-08-01 1 TRESPASS 

2006-08-01 2 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY 

2006-08-01 3 $504.00 CHUCK'S BAIL BOND POSTED - #00601638 07-29-06 

2006-08-11 4 INFORMATION (TRESPASS) 

2006-08-11 5 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (08/31/2006) 

2006-08-31 6 ARR MIN: DEFT PRES, ADJ INS P D APPT MACK BRUNTON 

2006-08-31 6 ARR ENT PLEA OF NOT GUILTY - PRE TRIAL SET 10/04/2006 

2006-08-31 7 AFFIDAVIT OF INDIGENT STATUS 

2006-08-31 7 DEFENDANT ADJUDGED INDIGENT 

2006-08-31 7 $40.00 APPLICATION FEE IMPOSED 

2006-08-31 8 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER 

2006-08-31 9 PRE-TRIAL ORDER (10-04-2006) 

2006-09-06 10 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (10-04-2006) 

2006-10-04 11 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY MACK BRUNTON 

2006-10-04 11 STATE AND DEFENSE ANNOUNCED READY FOR TRIAL 

2006-10-04 11 CASE SET FOR NON JURY TRIAL 10/30/2006 

2006-10-04 12 WAIVER OF JURY TRIAL 

2006-10-04 13 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (10-30-2006) 

2006-10-06 14 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (10-30-2006) 

2006-10-10 15 STATE ATTORNEY WITNESS SUBPOENA ISSUED: 

2006-10-10 15 WILLIAM P MORRIS 

2006-10-10 16 STATE ATTORNEY WITNESS SUBPOENA ISSUED: 

2006-10-10 16 DS JOHN MAY 

2006-10-16 17 STATE ATTORNEY WITNESS SUBPOENA RETURNED SERVED: 

2006-10-16 17 WILLIAM P MORRIS 

2006-10-16 18 STATE ATTORNEY WITNESS SUBPOENA RETURNED SERVED: 

2006-10-16 18 DS JOHN MAY 

2006-10-16 20 STATE ATTORNEY WITNESS SUBPOENA RETURNED SERVED: 

2006-10-16 19 MS. TAMMY PINKNEY 

2006-10-26 21 AMENDED INFO (TRESPASS ON PROPERTY OTHER THAN A 

2006-10-26 21 STRUCTURE OR CONVEYANCE) 

2006-10-30 22 TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES ATT BY MACK BRUNTON 

2006-10-30 22 FOR NON JURY TRIAL- STATE REP BY DAVID HOLLANDER 

2006-10-30 22 DEFT W-DREW FORMER PLEA - ENT PLEA OF NOLO CONTENDERE 

2006-10-30 22 TO TRESPASS, DEFT SWORN, PLEA ACCEPTED, 

2006-10-30 22 ADJUDGED GUILTY 

2006-10-30 22 PROB HRDS 6 MONTHS 

2006-10-30 22 1 DAY PCJ WITH CREDIT FOR TIME SERVED OF 1 DAY 

2006-10-30 22 $273.00 FINE AND COST 

2006-10-30 22 $ 40.00 PD FEE SUSPENDED 

2006-10-30 22 RANDOM DRUG TEST 

2006-10-30 23 WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO 

2006-10-30 23 CRIMINAL CHARGES IN COUNTY COURT 

2006-10-30 24 ORDER OF PROBATION 

2007-01-17 25 $ 60.00 FINE AND COST PAYMENT 11/14/2006 

2007-02-07 26 SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION 

2007-02-14 27 $120.00 FINE AND COST PAYMENT 12/28/2006 

2007-03-16 28 $ 93.00 FINE AND COST BAL PAID 01/25/2007 


Details:

UCN: 542006CF002339XXAXMX
File Date: 2006-11-14 Judge: A W NICHOLS III   
Defense Atty: 

Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2006-11-14 1 TRAFFIC CITATION - #6417-EEN 3 PCSO OFF/MANNING 

2006-11-14 1 LEAVING THE SCENE OF ACCIDENT INVOLVING INJURIES 

2006-12-12 2 MOTION TO TRANSFER CASE TO COUNTY COURT 

2006-12-19 3 ORDER TO TRANSFER CASE TO COUNTY COURT 


Details:

UCN: 542004CF002063XXAXMX
File Date: 2004-11-16 Judge: A W NICHOLS III   
Defense Atty: FELICIANO, SHARON 

Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2004-11-16 1 ARREST REPORT - PCSO EDGAR (ARREST 11/12/04) 

2004-11-16 1 POSSESSION OF CANNABIS IN EXCESS OF 20 GRAMS 

2004-11-16 1 POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA 

2004-11-16 1 MAINTAINING A DRUG VEHICLE 

2004-11-16 2 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HEARING 11/13/04 

2004-11-16 2 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED FOR FIRST APPEARANCE ONLY 

2004-11-16 2 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND 

2004-11-16 2 $2012.00 UNSECURED BOND SET 11/13/04 

2004-11-16 3 TRAFFIC CITATION - #7877-DBJ 2 

2004-11-16 4 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY 

2004-11-16 5 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR 1ST APP HEARING 

2004-11-16 6 APPEARANCE BOND - UNSECURED $ 2,012 

2004-12-03 7 INFORMATION (CT 1-POSSESSION OF CANNABIS IN EXCESS 

2004-12-03 7 OF 20 GRAMS) 

2004-12-07 8 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (01-07-2005) 

2005-01-07 9 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, SWORN, ARRAIGNED, 

2005-01-07 9 PUBLIC DEFENDER APPOINTED, ENTERED PLEA OF NOT GUILTY, 

2005-01-07 9 SET FOR PRE TRIAL 02/03/2005. 

2005-01-07 10 AFFIDAVIT OF INDIGENT STATUS 

2005-01-07 10 DEFENDANT ADJUDGED INDIGENT 

2005-01-07 10 $40.00 APPLICATION FEE IMPOSED 

2005-01-07 11 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER 

2005-01-07 12 ORDER SETTING PRE TRIAL 02/03/2005 

2005-01-07 13 NOTICE GIVEN TO DEFENDANT IN COURT FOR NEXT COURT DATE 

2005-01-10 14 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (02-03-2005) 

2005-01-18 15 DRUG COURT HEARING MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY KURT 

2005-01-18 15 TEIFKE, COURT DIRECTED DEFENDANT MAKE AND KEEP 

2005-01-18 15 APPOINTMENT WITH PUBLIC DEFENDER AND TREATMENT 

2005-01-18 15 PROVIDER, NEXT HEARING SET 01/25/2005 

2005-01-18 16 NOTICE GIVEN TO DEFENDANT IN COURT FOR NEXT COURT DATE 

2005-01-25 17 DRUG COURT HEARING MINUTES: DEFENDANT PRESENT, DEFT MET WITH 

2005-01-25 17 PUBLIC DEFENDER, DEFT SCREENED BY TREATMENT AND DEEMED 

2005-01-25 17 APPROPRIATE FOR DRUG COURT, DEFT DECLINED THE DRUG COURT 

2005-01-25 17 PROGRAM, DEFT WILL FOLLOW TRADITIONAL COURT DOCKET 

2005-02-03 18 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY SHARON FELICIANO 

2005-02-03 18 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE 

2005-02-03 18 CONTINUED TO 09/08/2005 

2005-02-03 18 ADI - LEVEL II 

2005-02-07 19 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (09-08-2005) 

2005-03-03 20 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY SHARON FELICIANO, 

2005-03-03 20 DEFT SWORN, W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C, ADVISED 

2005-03-03 20 MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE, PSI WAIVED, 

2005-03-03 20 PLEA ACCEPTED, SENTENCING SET SAME DAY 

2005-03-03 20 ADJUDICATION OF GUILT WITHHELD 

2005-03-03 20 $370.00 COURT COSTS (6 MONTHS TO PAY) 

2005-03-03 20 ADI PROGRAM - LEVEL II 

2005-09-08 21 CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION OF ADI LEVEL II PROGRAM 

2005-09-08 21 $370.00 COURT COST PAID 

2005-11-14 22 $370.00 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE 


Details:

UCN: 542002MM005697XXAXMX
File Date: 2002-12-12 Judge: PETER T MILLER   
Defense Atty: 

Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2002-12-12 1 WILDLIFE CITATION #036954C CRAIG MCGUIRE 

2002-12-12 1 ATTEMPTING TO TAKE DEER BY GUN AND LIGHT AT NIGHT 

2002-12-12 1 HUNTING FROM RIGHT OF WAY 

2002-12-30 2 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (1-23-2003) 

2003-01-23 3 ARR MIN: DEFT PRES IN COURT WAIVING RIGHT TO COUNSEL 

2003-01-23 3 ARR ENT PLEA OF GUILTY TO CT I - ATT TO TAKE DEER AT 

2003-01-23 3 NIGHT WITH GUN AND LIGHT & CT II - HUNTING FROM RIGHT 

2003-01-23 3 OF ROADWAY - DEFT SWORN, PLEA ACC - ADJUDGED GUILTY 

2003-01-23 3 COUNT I PROB HRDS 6 MONTHS 

2003-01-23 3 $188.00 FINE 

2003-01-23 3 $ 25.00 COURT FACILITY FEE 

2003-01-23 3 $ 25.00 WILDLIFE ALERT FUND 

2003-01-23 3 COUNT II PROB HRDS 6 MONTHS CONCURRENTLY WITH CT I 

2003-01-23 3 $156.50 FINE AND COST SUSPENDED 

2003-01-23 4 WAIVER OF COUNSEL 

2003-01-23 5 WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO 

2003-01-23 5 CRIMINAL CHARGES IN COUNTY COURT 

2003-01-23 6 ADJ OF GUILT AND PLACING DEFENDANT CT I 

2003-01-23 6 ON PROBATION AND SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION 

2003-01-23 7 ADJ OF GUILT AND PLACING DEFENDANT CT II 

2003-01-23 7 ON PROBATION AND SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION 

2003-03-04 8 $188.00 FINE PAID 02/18/2003 

2003-03-04 9 $ 25.00 COURT FACILITY FEE PAID 02/18/2003 

2003-03-04 10 $ 25.00 WILDLIFE ALERT FUND PAYMENT 02/18/2003 


Details:

UCN: 542002CF002133XXAXMX
File Date: 2002-12-12 Judge: TERRY J LARUE   
Defense Atty: SIKES, LARRY E 

Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2002-12-12 1 ARREST REPORT - PCSO (ARREST 12/12/2002) 

2002-12-12 1 POSSESSION OF COCAINE 

2002-12-12 1 POSSESSION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE 

2002-12-12 1 POSSESSION OF CANNABIS UNDER 20 GRAMS 

2002-12-12 1 POSSESSION OF DRUG WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION 

2002-12-12 1 POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA 

2002-12-12 1 BOND SET AT $ 2,504 SECURED BLANKET 

2002-12-12 2 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY 

2002-12-12 3 APPLICATION AND ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER 

2002-12-12 4 $ 2,504 CHUCK'S BAIL BOND POSTED - # 365649 

2003-01-20 5 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (01-28-2003) DRUG COURT 

2003-01-20 6 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (01-28-2003) DRUG COURT 

2003-01-21 10 INFORMATION (CT 1-POSSESSION OF COCAINE, CT 2- 

2003-01-21 10 POSSESSION OF CANNABIS LESS THAN 20 GRAMS) 

2003-01-28 7 DRUG COURT HEARING MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY KURT 

2003-01-28 7 TEIFKE, COURT DIRECTED DEFENDANT MAKE AND KEEP 

2003-01-28 7 APPOINTMENT WITH PUBLIC DEFENDER AND TREATMENT 

2003-01-28 7 PROVIDER, NEXT HEARING SET 02/04/2003 

2003-01-28 8 NOTICE GIVEN TO DEFENDANT IN COURT FOR NEXT COURT DATE 

2003-02-04 9 DRUG HEARING MINUTES: DEFENDANT NOT PRESENT, ATTENDED BY 

2003-02-04 9 KURT TEIFKE, DEFENDANT NOT INTERESTED IN DRUG COURT, 

2003-02-04 9 DEFT DECLINED DRUG COURT, DEFT WILL FOLLOW TRADITIONAL 

2003-02-04 9 COURT DOCKET 

2003-02-05 11 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (02-26-2003) 

2003-02-26 12 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, SWORN, ARRAIGNED, 

2003-02-26 12 PUBLIC DEFENDER APPOINTED, ENTERED PLEA OF NOT GUILTY, 

2003-02-26 12 SET FOR PRE TRIAL 04/01/2003 AND TRIAL 04/01/2003. 

2003-02-26 13 APPLICATION AND ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER 

2003-02-26 14 ORDER SETTING PRE TRIAL 04/01/2003 

2003-02-26 15 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (04-01-2003) 

2003-02-26 16 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, SWORN, ARRAIGNED, 

2003-02-26 16 PUBLIC DEFENDER APPOINTED, ENTERED PLEA OF NOT GUILTY, 

2003-02-26 16 SET FOR PRE TRIAL 04/01/2003 AND TRIAL 05/05/2003. 

2003-02-26 17 APPLICATION AND ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER 

2003-02-26 18 ORDER SETTING PRE TRIAL 04/01/2003 

2003-03-05 19 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (04-01-2003) 

2003-04-01 20 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY LARRY SIKES 

2003-04-01 20 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE 

2003-04-01 20 CONTINUED TO 05/27/2003 

2003-04-08 22 SUBSTANCE ABUSE OFFENDER REFERRAL AGREEMENT 

2003-04-10 21 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (05-27-2003) 

2003-05-27 23 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: ON MOTION OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA 

2003-05-27 23 THE CASE WAS ORDERED NOLLE PROSEQUI IN OPEN COURT 

2003-05-27 24 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NOLLE PROSEQUI - ENT CIR CT MIN 

2003-05-27 24 BK 374 PG 597 


Details:

UCN: 542001MM004105XXAXMX
File Date: 2001-10-24 Judge: PETER T MILLER   
Defense Atty: 

Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2001-10-26 1 COMPLAINT ROBERT PAUL MIDDLETON ASSAULT 

2001-11-20 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION 


Details:

UCN: 542001MM000043XXAXMX
File Date: 2001-01-02 Judge: PETER T MILLER   
Defense Atty: 

Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2001-01-02 1 TRAFFIC CITATION - #8654-AJQ-5 LECLAIR 

2001-01-02 1 VIOLATION OF LICENSE RESTRICTIONS (BUSINESS PURPOSES) 

2001-01-02 1 CASE SET 02/06/2001 @ 9:00 AM 

2001-01-02 2 NOTICE TO PARENTS ISSUED (02-06-01) 

2001-02-06 3 ARR MIN: DEFT PRES IN COURT WAIVING RIGHT TO COUNSEL 

2001-02-06 3 ARR ENT PLEA OF GUILTY TO VIOLATE RESTRICTION ON D L 

2001-02-06 3 DEFT SWORN, PLEA ACC - ADJUDICATION OF GUILT WITHHELD 

2001-02-06 3 1 MONTH UNSUPERVISED PROBATION 

2001-02-06 3 7 PM CURFEW JAIL TOUR 

2001-02-06 3 $156.50 FINE AND COST SUSPENDED 

2001-02-06 4 WAIVER OF COUNSEL 

2001-02-06 5 WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO 

2001-02-06 5 CRIMINAL CHARGES IN COUNTY COURT 

2001-02-06 6 ORDER WITHHOLDING ADJUDICATION OF GUILT AND PLACING 

2001-02-06 6 DEFENDANT ON PROBATION 




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 24, 2009, 12:40:35 AM
This is "prolly" nothing, but I'll ask it anyway. Does anyone find it odd that Ron is in a tent, or rather - now a camper, and not at his mom's multi bedroom home or some other friend or relative's house? It seems there's a reason and it doesn't strike me that the reason is that he's too emotionally tied to the exact area, the ground to leave.  I almost -  in the back burner of my foggy head - wonder if she's out there, close, and he's afraid to leave. IOW, if he leaves and he's somewhere else he'll be going crazy wondering if someone is getting "close" to finding her. This way he's there and knows where folks are and aren't.

Just recalling that Caylee was very close and wasn't found til... well... either Aug or Dec depending on how you regard the meter reader. Jon Benet was super super close (the basement) but she wasn't found exactly immediately. There are others. I hope she's alive, but what's the likely scenario for her being alive? That a ped took her and hasn't killed her yet? A horrible thought. That someone took her and sold her? Another horrible thought.

 Just thinking out loud.

Then there's that Occam's razor... the principle states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. IOW, whatever the simplest explanation is, is likely the correct one.

The intruder theory leaves too many things to chance for me and the flags go up for many weird things. The cinderblock propping, the turning on of the light, the leaving the door open, the NOT closing of the door upon seeing it "wide open," the not freaking out and thinking OMG could intuder still be here? Could be coming back let me lock the door, let me run grab BOTH kids oops one is missing but she seemed to know that it was Haleigh right off and not Jr. (from the blanket clip)

Then there's the past tense, "loved her" the "child's life back" comment and others,  the temper, the name calling, the anger, the over the top tears and angst, the short temper with reporters,  the flatout denial of true provable things, the history with LE and child services, the drug issues, the clearly enabling grandmother,.... on and on...



Myself, I'm not comfortable w/trying/convicting him before a variety of inconsistencies have been cleared up or evidence emerges. 

Also, when he said he'd look for her until ...blah, blah, blah I took it as a sentence he didn't finish because it was too repulsive a thought to be spoken aloud and he caught himself.

As re. the talk of abuse:  plenty of people are verbally abusive but never lift a hand to a spouse/live-in/child.  I still haven't seen evidence that he punched anyone out, let alone his daughter.  If you have evidence, I'd welcome seeing what so many of you all percieve.

I agree w/some things any number of posters have stated.  But imho, suggesting that he hauled his baby girl to some bridge (and did what?) 'cause he's a crane operator is more than a bit premature and in my mind not a whole lot different than what GR did to Ronald Cummings on that inflammatory and obviously biased broadcast.

Don't get me wrong--I'm more than a bit concerned about the whole mess.  I could go on and on about what I think about the personalities involved (and will :smt102), but this is not a Caylee case where one person had a documented history of deception etc., not to mention her grandmothers call to 911 that sad, sad day.

I know this is a place where folks hash out their ideas and suspcions.  I just think its early days yet to throw RC (the dad) under the bus--though I absolutely agree that in light of the lax supervision of his daughter, he fell way short of the mark and may well regret that lapse in judgement for the rest of his life. 

Foggy

About the verbal abuse and physical abuse correlation, I agree; Some people can be verbally abusive without being physically abusive. However, I don't think it's an impossible leap in logic for me to fathom or consider that a man who strikes a woman could possibly strike a child.   

Last night Craig Rivera mentioned a document (I'll look for a link) regarding Ron's violation of  an injunction for protection. Crystal had filed an injunction, but then dropped the charges which is not unheard of in cases with spouses/girlfriends. Of course, Craig Rivera could be lying on air, but that seems foolish since it's something that can be verified. Also, I realize that it's possible that Crystal could have filed a false claim against Ron; so I guess that goes to... do I believe her when I watch her talk about it. Yes, I believe her when she says Ron hit her. It's just an opinion of my impression of her. Additionally, Ron's threats, his temper, and Misty's fear are palpable IMO. Misty could be terrified of TV, but I get a different vibe from her that she's afraid of Ron in particular. That's just my take on it.


Rana, I don't give a blankety-blank about what Geraldo or Greg Rivera say.  Many of their sources are unamed, so they can take a long walk off a short pier as far as I'm concerned.

Yet they don't mind putting the bereft young man's feet to the fire on nat'l tv.  Calling them bottom feeders is an insult to catfish et al everywhere.

Re. orders of protection:  bio mom said herself that she returned to him over and over.  And for what?  Sex and drugs?  The kids?  She leaves a man over and over because she's afraid of him, but leaves her helpless little lambs w/him? 

I'm not sure why you are throwing in with bio mom and frankly I don't care.  I'm only responding to you because I think some of your speculation is along the lines of Geraldos and I in good conscience cannot let that go unchallenged since you (and Geraldo) have yet to put forth hard evidence that bio dad is the monster you are attempting to define.

And one other thing:  of course no "monkeys" looked askance at your opinions 'bout other cases since it appears you are a new poster--unless you've posted in the past under another appelation of course  :smt102
.

Live well.

Foggy
Rana, I don't give a blankety-blank about what Geraldo or Greg Rivera say.  Many of their sources are unamed, so they can take a long walk off a short pier as far as I'm concerned.

There is a record of a domestic violence injunction violation and that's what I was referring to. I believe it was Islandmonkey who posted the link a couple of pages back. I don't know about the Brothers Rivera and their reports on other cases. I was referring to this specific one.

  Re. orders of protection:  bio mom said herself that she returned to him over and over.  And for what?  Sex and drugs?  The kids?  She leaves a man over and over because she's afraid of him, but leaves her helpless little lambs w/him? 

It's not unusual for a woman to go to back a man more than once before she finally has the fortitude, courage, strength - whatever the word you want to call it  - to leave him.

I'm not sure why you are throwing in with bio mom and frankly I don't care.  I'm only responding to you because I think some of your speculation is along the lines of Geraldos and I in good conscience cannot let that go unchallenged since you (and Geraldo) have yet to put forth hard evidence that bio dad is the monster you are attempting to define.

I didn't need to "put forth hard eveidence" for you since I was merely commenting on what has already transpired. I believe I'm allowed to comment on observations and impressions I have even if they happen to be incongruent with yours. And I don't recall defining anyone as a "monster." You may direct me to the post to remind me though.

And one other thing:  of course no "monkeys" looked askance at your opinions 'bout other cases since it appears you are a new poster--unless you've posted in the past under another appelation of course 

I don't know what you mean about "...no 'monkeys' looked askance at your opinions 'bout other cases."

As for other "appelations," I don't have any. I'm new here and have felt very welcomed.





I'm glad you feel welcome.  I'd lurked hereabouts for awhile, then I had to post re. the Caylee Anthony missing persons case. 

What caused you to post (if your care to share)?

I'm not as adept as you are re. "snipping" another posters words (mine in this instance), so I must bow to your experience w/technology relating to forums--esp. a new one.

Whatev. 

...adding to the constant hopes and prayers that Haleigh comes home safe and sound...

Foggy




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 12:42:36 AM
Crystals records-PUTNAM COUNTY:

Details:

UCN: 542005MM004466XXAXMX
File Date: 2005-10-12 Judge: PETER T MILLER   
Defense Atty: 

Defendant
SHEFFIELD, CRYSTAL D 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2005-10-12 1 TRAFFIC CITATION - #2666BQQ-X PDWK PIWOWARSKI 09-8-05 

2005-10-12 1 NO VALID DRIVERS LICENSE 

2005-10-12 2 CORRECTED NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (11-01-2005) 

2005-11-01  DEFENDANT ENTERED PLEA OF GUILTY 1 

2005-11-01  VERDICT OF NO TRIAL 1 

2005-11-01  DEFENDANT APPEARED PRES W/O ATTYFOR NO TRIAL TRIAL 1 

2005-11-01 3 ARR MINUTES - DEFT PRES, WAIVED RIGHT TO COUNSEL 

2005-11-01 3 ARR ENT PLEA OF GUILTY TO DRIVING W/O A VALID D L 

2005-11-01 3 DEFT SWORN, PLEA ACCEPTED, ADJUDICATION OF GUILT W/H 

2005-11-01 3 PROB HRDS - 6 MONTHS 

2005-11-01 3 $241.50 FINE AND COST 

2005-11-01 4 WAIVER OF COUNSEL 

2005-11-01 5 WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO 

2005-11-01 5 CRIMINAL CHARGES IN COUNTY COURT 

2005-11-01 6 ORDER OF PROBATION 

2005-11-01 7 ADJUDICATION OF GUILT WITHHELD AND PLACING DEFENDANT 

2005-11-01 7 ON PROBATION AND SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION 

2006-04-11 8 $241.50 FINE AND COST PAID 11/01/2005 


Details:

UCN: 542006MM001214XXAXMX
File Date: 2006-03-22 Judge: PETER T MILLER   
Defense Atty: 

Defendant
SHEFFIELD, CRYSTAL D 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2006-03-22 1 COMPLAINT FILED: PCSO/ JONES 03-21-2006 

2006-03-22 1 VIOLATION OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE INJUCTION 

2006-06-07 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION 




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 24, 2009, 12:43:58 AM
Interesting speculation from another web blog on Haleigh:

Haliegh wouldnt have been afraid to go to the clothes basket because the kitchen light was on, which is right by the door and the basket.and as i have aid before.. i believe the person that took her put the light on so they could see Haliegh come near the door to snatch her.

OMG! i just thought of this. and it makes alot of sence. the light was put on in the kitchen so that Haliegh WOULDNT be afraid in the dark and so that she would be seen by the person that took her, i think they were in the woods watching for her in to come by the door OR right near the door and took her when she was putting her pink top in the basket, if this is how it all happened then i would say it HAS to be someone that KNOWS she is afraid of the dark and knew she has changed her clothes and put them in the clothes basket before. What do ya'll think about my therory??? of course all this is just MO.
That would be fine except, why would she go and put this shirt in the laundry basket after she had been asleep, or are you saying before she went to bed, I still dont know why she would take that shirt off to put something else on at all, and if that is what this person was waiting for then what would he have done had she never went in there and thrown that shirt down!!!!  I dont know about this, Something is just so wrong with this entire story!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 12:47:50 AM
ok I think we all get that Ron ain't no saint, he's got drugging, trying to beat the crap out of a guy, hunting violations, driving issues and restraining orders.   

But some of us don't agree that equals a child murderer or a wife beater.  Good Lord if you saw the rap sheets on some of the people I've known they would been under the bus for 20.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 12:50:35 AM
Interesting speculation from another web blog on Haleigh:

Haliegh wouldnt have been afraid to go to the clothes basket because the kitchen light was on, which is right by the door and the basket.and as i have aid before.. i believe the person that took her put the light on so they could see Haliegh come near the door to snatch her.

OMG! i just thought of this. and it makes alot of sence. the light was put on in the kitchen so that Haliegh WOULDNT be afraid in the dark and so that she would be seen by the person that took her, i think they were in the woods watching for her in to come by the door OR right near the door and took her when she was putting her pink top in the basket, if this is how it all happened then i would say it HAS to be someone that KNOWS she is afraid of the dark and knew she has changed her clothes and put them in the clothes basket before. What do ya'll think about my therory??? of course all this is just MO.
That would be fine except, why would she go and put this shirt in the laundry basket after she had been asleep, or are you saying before she went to bed, I still dont know why she would take that shirt off to put something else on at all, and if that is what this person was waiting for then what would he have done had she never went in there and thrown that shirt down!!!!  I dont know about this, Something is just so wrong with this entire story!

The light being turned on to me was the interesting part.  If it were someone who knows her and knows her fear of the dark it would make it easier maybe.  Another interesting thing I said last night is the blanket that Misty removed from the window to wash, it would also make it easier for a SO to see into the room and be able to see everyone sleeping soundly.  Or could just be all part of the fabricated story by Ron & Misty?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 12:51:08 AM
By Ron & Misty to make it appear that an SO did it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 12:51:50 AM
ok I think we all get that Ron ain't no saint, he's got drugging, trying to beat the crap out of a guy, hunting violations, driving issues and restraining orders.   

But some of us don't agree that equals a child murderer or a wife beater.  Good Lord if you saw the rap sheets on some of the people I've known they would been under the bus for 20.
I just posted it because some think it's pure speculation...........granted, my brother would be too, but he doesn't have kids (at least that we know of anyway).


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 12:54:14 AM
Interesting speculation from another web blog on Haleigh:

Haliegh wouldnt have been afraid to go to the clothes basket because the kitchen light was on, which is right by the door and the basket.and as i have aid before.. i believe the person that took her put the light on so they could see Haliegh come near the door to snatch her.

OMG! i just thought of this. and it makes alot of sence. the light was put on in the kitchen so that Haliegh WOULDNT be afraid in the dark and so that she would be seen by the person that took her, i think they were in the woods watching for her in to come by the door OR right near the door and took her when she was putting her pink top in the basket, if this is how it all happened then i would say it HAS to be someone that KNOWS she is afraid of the dark and knew she has changed her clothes and put them in the clothes basket before. What do ya'll think about my therory??? of course all this is just MO.
That would be fine except, why would she go and put this shirt in the laundry basket after she had been asleep, or are you saying before she went to bed, I still dont know why she would take that shirt off to put something else on at all, and if that is what this person was waiting for then what would he have done had she never went in there and thrown that shirt down!!!!  I dont know about this, Something is just so wrong with this entire story!

The light being turned on to me was the interesting part.  If it were someone who knows her and knows her fear of the dark it would make it easier maybe.  Another interesting thing I said last night is the blanket that Misty removed from the window to wash, it would also make it easier for a SO to see into the room and be able to see everyone sleeping soundly.  Or could just be all part of the fabricated story by Ron & Misty?

good point about the blanket that WAS over the window~I always wondered why she felt the need to elaborate on all the blanket issues, she sure as heck confused me ::MonkeyConfused:: nothing new there though ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 24, 2009, 12:55:05 AM
By Ron & Misty to make it appear that an SO did it.

I wonder if the house was all locked up and no signs of a break in. How did someone get

in the home to abduct Haleigh... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 24, 2009, 12:57:08 AM
Interesting speculation from another web blog on Haleigh:

Haliegh wouldnt have been afraid to go to the clothes basket because the kitchen light was on, which is right by the door and the basket.and as i have aid before.. i believe the person that took her put the light on so they could see Haliegh come near the door to snatch her.

OMG! i just thought of this. and it makes alot of sence. the light was put on in the kitchen so that Haliegh WOULDNT be afraid in the dark and so that she would be seen by the person that took her, i think they were in the woods watching for her in to come by the door OR right near the door and took her when she was putting her pink top in the basket, if this is how it all happened then i would say it HAS to be someone that KNOWS she is afraid of the dark and knew she has changed her clothes and put them in the clothes basket before. What do ya'll think about my therory??? of course all this is just MO.
That would be fine except, why would she go and put this shirt in the laundry basket after she had been asleep, or are you saying before she went to bed, I still dont know why she would take that shirt off to put something else on at all, and if that is what this person was waiting for then what would he have done had she never went in there and thrown that shirt down!!!!  I dont know about this, Something is just so wrong with this entire story!

The light being turned on to me was the interesting part.  If it were someone who knows her and knows her fear of the dark it would make it easier maybe.  Another interesting thing I said last night is the blanket that Misty removed from the window to wash, it would also make it easier for a SO to see into the room and be able to see everyone sleeping soundly.  Or could just be all part of the fabricated story by Ron & Misty?

good point about the blanket that WAS over the window~I always wondered why she felt the need to elaborate on all the blanket issues, she sure as heck confused me ::MonkeyConfused:: nothing new there though ::MonkeyCool::

Wasn't the blanket over the window so Ron could sleep during the day... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 12:57:56 AM
By Ron & Misty to make it appear that an SO did it.

I wonder if the house was all locked up and no signs of a break in. How did someone get

in the home to abduct Haleigh... ::MonkeyTongue::

I'm not even sure the door was locked, but whoever did this pulled it off well~especially since they had only lived in the trailer for 4 weeks IIRC............I just want answers and pray this one doesn't end up in the cold case files ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 12:58:46 AM
Interesting speculation from another web blog on Haleigh:

Haliegh wouldnt have been afraid to go to the clothes basket because the kitchen light was on, which is right by the door and the basket.and as i have aid before.. i believe the person that took her put the light on so they could see Haliegh come near the door to snatch her.

OMG! i just thought of this. and it makes alot of sence. the light was put on in the kitchen so that Haliegh WOULDNT be afraid in the dark and so that she would be seen by the person that took her, i think they were in the woods watching for her in to come by the door OR right near the door and took her when she was putting her pink top in the basket, if this is how it all happened then i would say it HAS to be someone that KNOWS she is afraid of the dark and knew she has changed her clothes and put them in the clothes basket before. What do ya'll think about my therory??? of course all this is just MO.
That would be fine except, why would she go and put this shirt in the laundry basket after she had been asleep, or are you saying before she went to bed, I still dont know why she would take that shirt off to put something else on at all, and if that is what this person was waiting for then what would he have done had she never went in there and thrown that shirt down!!!!  I dont know about this, Something is just so wrong with this entire story!

The light being turned on to me was the interesting part.  If it were someone who knows her and knows her fear of the dark it would make it easier maybe.  Another interesting thing I said last night is the blanket that Misty removed from the window to wash, it would also make it easier for a SO to see into the room and be able to see everyone sleeping soundly.  Or could just be all part of the fabricated story by Ron & Misty?

good point about the blanket that WAS over the window~I always wondered why she felt the need to elaborate on all the blanket issues, she sure as heck confused me ::MonkeyConfused:: nothing new there though ::MonkeyCool::

Wasn't the blanket over the window so Ron could sleep during the day... ::MonkeyTongue::

That would be my best guess.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 01:00:10 AM
Island I got one for you that's missing.  On Crystals website she has pics of a car she wrecked that is totally smashed to he!!  where's the report on that accident?   And I know that's are not posey's hanging all around her in those pic's, that's pot.  Just sayin she ain't no saint either, she's just sneaky clever imo and has not gotten caught.

Anyway here's the just one pic of the car!  There are several can't believe she didn't get a traffic citation for that one.  Atleast a failure to avoid an accident as she states it wasn't her fault.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 01:02:41 AM
By Ron & Misty to make it appear that an SO did it.

I wonder if the house was all locked up and no signs of a break in. How did someone get

in the home to abduct Haleigh... ::MonkeyTongue::

There's alot of speculation on other blogs about the 911 tape and what is said about the backdoor lock by Ron in the background.  He basically says the door is open but the dead bolt is out.  Weird.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 01:04:08 AM
Interesting speculation from another web blog on Haleigh:

Haliegh wouldnt have been afraid to go to the clothes basket because the kitchen light was on, which is right by the door and the basket.and as i have aid before.. i believe the person that took her put the light on so they could see Haliegh come near the door to snatch her.

OMG! i just thought of this. and it makes alot of sence. the light was put on in the kitchen so that Haliegh WOULDNT be afraid in the dark and so that she would be seen by the person that took her, i think they were in the woods watching for her in to come by the door OR right near the door and took her when she was putting her pink top in the basket, if this is how it all happened then i would say it HAS to be someone that KNOWS she is afraid of the dark and knew she has changed her clothes and put them in the clothes basket before. What do ya'll think about my therory??? of course all this is just MO.
That would be fine except, why would she go and put this shirt in the laundry basket after she had been asleep, or are you saying before she went to bed, I still dont know why she would take that shirt off to put something else on at all, and if that is what this person was waiting for then what would he have done had she never went in there and thrown that shirt down!!!!  I dont know about this, Something is just so wrong with this entire story!

The light being turned on to me was the interesting part.  If it were someone who knows her and knows her fear of the dark it would make it easier maybe.  Another interesting thing I said last night is the blanket that Misty removed from the window to wash, it would also make it easier for a SO to see into the room and be able to see everyone sleeping soundly.  Or could just be all part of the fabricated story by Ron & Misty?

good point about the blanket that WAS over the window~I always wondered why she felt the need to elaborate on all the blanket issues, she sure as heck confused me ::MonkeyConfused:: nothing new there though ::MonkeyCool::

Wasn't the blanket over the window so Ron could sleep during the day... ::MonkeyTongue::

That would be my best guess.

If I worked nights I have me a redneck curtain too!  Wouldn't you?  Monkey tongues everywhere. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 01:05:48 AM
By Ron & Misty to make it appear that an SO did it.

I wonder if the house was all locked up and no signs of a break in. How did someone get

in the home to abduct Haleigh... ::MonkeyTongue::

I'm not even sure the door was locked, but whoever did this pulled it off well~especially since they had only lived in the trailer for 4 weeks IIRC............I just want answers and pray this one doesn't end up in the cold case files ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Idk where this 4 wks came from I thought it was since November, let me see if I can grab the article from the Landlord where she talks about this.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 24, 2009, 01:06:01 AM
By Ron & Misty to make it appear that an SO did it.

I wonder if the house was all locked up and no signs of a break in. How did someone get

in the home to abduct Haleigh... ::MonkeyTongue::

There's alot of speculation on other blogs about the 911 tape and what is said about the backdoor lock by Ron in the background.  He basically says the door is open but the dead bolt is out.  Weird.

What do you mean the dead lock was out?? ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 24, 2009, 01:06:12 AM
Geeze....

Everyone is entitled to an oppinion and speculations.. The red flags with all the

inconsistancies with Ron and Misty has me wondering what the heck really happened

that evening.. Ron's anger and foul mouth. The mobile is still taped off..

I wonder too Jerseygirl.  Something isn't right.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 24, 2009, 01:07:16 AM
Crystals records-PUTNAM COUNTY:

Details:

UCN: 542005MM004466XXAXMX
File Date: 2005-10-12 Judge: PETER T MILLER   
Defense Atty: 

Defendant
SHEFFIELD, CRYSTAL D 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2005-10-12 1 TRAFFIC CITATION - #2666BQQ-X PDWK PIWOWARSKI 09-8-05 

2005-10-12 1 NO VALID DRIVERS LICENSE 

2005-10-12 2 CORRECTED NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (11-01-2005) 

2005-11-01  DEFENDANT ENTERED PLEA OF GUILTY 1 

2005-11-01  VERDICT OF NO TRIAL 1 

2005-11-01  DEFENDANT APPEARED PRES W/O ATTYFOR NO TRIAL TRIAL 1 

2005-11-01 3 ARR MINUTES - DEFT PRES, WAIVED RIGHT TO COUNSEL 

2005-11-01 3 ARR ENT PLEA OF GUILTY TO DRIVING W/O A VALID D L 

2005-11-01 3 DEFT SWORN, PLEA ACCEPTED, ADJUDICATION OF GUILT W/H 

2005-11-01 3 PROB HRDS - 6 MONTHS 

2005-11-01 3 $241.50 FINE AND COST 

2005-11-01 4 WAIVER OF COUNSEL 

2005-11-01 5 WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO 

2005-11-01 5 CRIMINAL CHARGES IN COUNTY COURT 

2005-11-01 6 ORDER OF PROBATION 

2005-11-01 7 ADJUDICATION OF GUILT WITHHELD AND PLACING DEFENDANT 

2005-11-01 7 ON PROBATION AND SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION 

2006-04-11 8 $241.50 FINE AND COST PAID 11/01/2005 


Details:

UCN: 542006MM001214XXAXMX
File Date: 2006-03-22 Judge: PETER T MILLER   
Defense Atty: 

Defendant
SHEFFIELD, CRYSTAL D 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2006-03-22 1 COMPLAINT FILED: PCSO/ JONES 03-21-2006 

2006-03-22 1 VIOLATION OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE INJUCTION 

2006-06-07 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION 




Thanks Island.  And still bio mom's words ring in my ears re. how she went back innumerable times but was scared and left blah blah blah.  Its so dern sad and pathetic. 

I'm just asking folks to take a step back/put prejudice/bias aside and coldly evaluate the facts that have emerged. Hold back judgement until LE comes up w/something palpable.  God knows I want this darlin' found too.  But imho, some of this speculation is beside the point.  And if its on point I suggest it be shared w/LE first rather than w/everyone on the 'net--esp. considering its another wee girl missing. :smt013

...Haleigh, I've got candles in the window 'til you come home...

Foggy




I'm gonna step aside 'til the morrow.  [/b][/color]


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 01:07:17 AM
Island I got one for you that's missing.  On Crystals website she has pics of a car she wrecked that is totally smashed to he!!  where's the report on that accident?   And I know that's are not posey's hanging all around her in those pic's, that's pot.  Just sayin she ain't no saint either, she's just sneaky clever imo and has not gotten caught.

Anyway here's the just one pic of the car!  There are several can't believe she didn't get a traffic citation for that one.  Atleast a failure to avoid an accident as she states it wasn't her fault.

IIRC, that is from when she was hit by a semi and ended up in a tree, it's a miracle she got out of that alive.

I've seen the pic's on her site and don't approve, I even stated she may not have been caught, but thaty doesn't negate Ron's. I never said ANYONE in this case was a saint, far from it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 24, 2009, 01:07:27 AM


Have they said anything about fingerprints on the door?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 01:07:45 AM
By Ron & Misty to make it appear that an SO did it.

I wonder if the house was all locked up and no signs of a break in. How did someone get

in the home to abduct Haleigh... ::MonkeyTongue::

There's alot of speculation on other blogs about the 911 tape and what is said about the backdoor lock by Ron in the background.  He basically says the door is open but the dead bolt is out.  Weird.

On another blog they are talking about sending it to Fox and asking them to clean it up so they can specifically hear what he is saying in the background on this tape it could be very valuable info if this continues to drag on.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 24, 2009, 01:08:17 AM
By Ron & Misty to make it appear that an SO did it.

I wonder if the house was all locked up and no signs of a break in. How did someone get

in the home to abduct Haleigh... ::MonkeyTongue::

There's alot of speculation on other blogs about the 911 tape and what is said about the backdoor lock by Ron in the background.  He basically says the door is open but the dead bolt is out.  Weird.

What do you mean the dead lock was out?? ::MonkeyTongue::

I remember an article I read the  police said there there were no signs of a break in... ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 24, 2009, 01:09:14 AM
By Ron & Misty to make it appear that an SO did it.

I wonder if the house was all locked up and no signs of a break in. How did someone get

in the home to abduct Haleigh... ::MonkeyTongue::

There's alot of speculation on other blogs about the 911 tape and what is said about the backdoor lock by Ron in the background.  He basically says the door is open but the dead bolt is out.  Weird.

What do you mean the dead lock was out?? ::MonkeyTongue::

was it out for sure?? cause that would be the perfect way to leave the door open but make it appear shut! omg.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 01:10:25 AM
By Ron & Misty to make it appear that an SO did it.

I wonder if the house was all locked up and no signs of a break in. How did someone get

in the home to abduct Haleigh... ::MonkeyTongue::

I'm not even sure the door was locked, but whoever did this pulled it off well~especially since they had only lived in the trailer for 4 weeks IIRC............I just want answers and pray this one doesn't end up in the cold case files ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Idk where this 4 wks came from I thought it was since November, let me see if I can grab the article from the Landlord where she talks about this.

I think he had been in the trailer park for a month, and mentioned he needed more bedrooms-I remember the statement from the former tenants saying how there was NO way anyone could sleep thru someone else coming in the house due to the floors creaking, etc. I can find it if you need the link.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 01:15:09 AM
By Ron & Misty to make it appear that an SO did it.

I wonder if the house was all locked up and no signs of a break in. How did someone get

in the home to abduct Haleigh... ::MonkeyTongue::

There's alot of speculation on other blogs about the 911 tape and what is said about the backdoor lock by Ron in the background.  He basically says the door is open but the dead bolt is out.  Weird.

What do you mean the dead lock was out?? ::MonkeyTongue::

I remember an article I read the  police said there there were no signs of a break in... ::MonkeyWaa::

That was in the report, yet RC said it showed signs of forced entry at one point, then that a locksmith or pick artist picjed it.......did I have that in my list of inconsistencies ::MonkeyConfused:: can't remember anymore ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 01:17:27 AM
By Ron & Misty to make it appear that an SO did it.

I wonder if the house was all locked up and no signs of a break in. How did someone get

in the home to abduct Haleigh... ::MonkeyTongue::

I'm not even sure the door was locked, but whoever did this pulled it off well~especially since they had only lived in the trailer for 4 weeks IIRC............I just want answers and pray this one doesn't end up in the cold case files ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Idk where this 4 wks came from I thought it was since November, let me see if I can grab the article from the Landlord where she talks about this.

I think he had been in the trailer park for a since NOV, and mentioned he needed more bedrooms-I remember the statement from the former tenants saying how there was NO way anyone could sleep thru someone else coming in the house due to the floors creaking, etc. I can find it if you need the link.

edit~I've lost my mind


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 24, 2009, 01:17:31 AM
By Ron & Misty to make it appear that an SO did it.

I wonder if the house was all locked up and no signs of a break in. How did someone get

in the home to abduct Haleigh... ::MonkeyTongue::

I'm not even sure the door was locked, but whoever did this pulled it off well~especially since they had only lived in the trailer for 4 weeks IIRC............I just want answers and pray this one doesn't end up in the cold case files ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Idk where this 4 wks came from I thought it was since November, let me see if I can grab the article from the Landlord where she talks about this.

I think he had been in the trailer park for a month, and mentioned he needed more bedrooms-I remember the statement from the former tenants saying how there was NO way anyone could sleep thru someone else coming in the house due to the floors creaking, etc. I can find it if you need the link.

I post about the former landlords awhile back- the Bards- They rented him a mobile they owned that was next to them - then Ron asked if he could rent the one around the corner with 3 bedrooms and they did..the minister who use to live @ 202 green lane stated the floors cracked alot when you walked on them and someone would here someone in the house.. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 24, 2009, 01:17:50 AM
OK  Im gonna jump in her and get my feet wet but I have something to say and so,   
 
  First Im sure Ronald has indeed had some run ins with the Law and I dont doubt for a minute that he has a temper and that he might have shoved Chrystal around and even Misty too for that matter, also I think Chrystal probably had something to do with getting him rilled up some of the time, two young kids like they were there's no telling what the reasons were for the fights, but I bet she contributed in her own way.   Now after saying that, I also think that with Ronalds Mother working at the court house, he did get cut some slack on everything he did which didnt help him learn a lot from his mistakes but, I just do not see him as a child murderer or as a person that would abuse a child in any way, the teachers that they talked to about Haleigh all say she was well behaved and very happy and always smillin, none of them mentioned any bruises or any thing unusual about her! Also seeing as how she was a sickely child it has been checked into that she has went for regular checkups since coming to live with Ronald, where it has been shown that while living with Chrystal she had missed alot of Dr. Appointments, so Ill give him that, he cared enough to take her and make sure she was staying healthy.

   I believe that it is Mistie that is lying if anybody is, I dont think she has both oars in the water, if you know what I mean, and yea she acts like she is scared of Ronald, but I would be too if I might have done something and His daughter is gone because of it, I agree with one thing though, This was done by someone that knew this families routine, and probably someone that is either a relative or has associations with them, I think all this mud throwing that is coming down is being done so by Chrystals family because they are still upset that Ronald  had the kids and she didnt, I can just see the anger and I dont doubt everything that they are saying, I just think that now is not the time to throw all this out there, it is taking the focus off Haleigh and that should be were it is right now, not on what was done in the past, if they have all this proof of this and that, then they should have taken all that to a lawyer and went back to court! 

    All I'm saying is this, two wrongs dont make a right and throwing stones at each other isnt gonna make a difference right now, Ronald must have checked out enough at the moment to satisfy LE, for he is still right there and fake crying or real crying his focus is on wanting Haleigh back and if he did something in his past that has caused all this then when and if that comes out, and it will, that will be the time to tell all, and He will have to deal with it..........Right Now, its all about Haleigh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 01:18:59 AM
By Ron & Misty to make it appear that an SO did it.

I wonder if the house was all locked up and no signs of a break in. How did someone get

in the home to abduct Haleigh... ::MonkeyTongue::

There's alot of speculation on other blogs about the 911 tape and what is said about the backdoor lock by Ron in the background.  He basically says the door is open but the dead bolt is out.  Weird.

What do you mean the dead lock was out?? ::MonkeyTongue::

was it out for sure?? cause that would be the perfect way to leave the door open but make it appear shut! omg.

This is what people are saying they hear Ron say in the background of 911 tape that the lock is turned sideways.

Ok this is what I hear in background: Very beginning it sounds like Ron is outside yelling Haleigh's name.

Around 39 sec -wah wah "let my daughter get stolen in the middle of the night"?!

Around 1:36 -wah wah "5 days ago" wah wah wah.....

Around 5:12 - lots of wah before and after"lock sideways"

They have 5 pgs just to speculation on what they hear on this tape in the background from Ron, a couple of dispatcher people on there saying the crazy stuff people say when they call 911 etc.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 01:23:08 AM
By Ron & Misty to make it appear that an SO did it.

I wonder if the house was all locked up and no signs of a break in. How did someone get

in the home to abduct Haleigh... ::MonkeyTongue::

There's alot of speculation on other blogs about the 911 tape and what is said about the backdoor lock by Ron in the background.  He basically says the door is open but the dead bolt is out.  Weird.

What do you mean the dead lock was out?? ::MonkeyTongue::

was it out for sure?? cause that would be the perfect way to leave the door open but make it appear shut! omg.

This is what people are saying they hear Ron say in the background of 911 tape that the lock is turned sideways.

Ok this is what I hear in background: Very beginning it sounds like Ron is outside yelling Haleigh's name.

Around 39 sec -wah wah "let my daughter get stolen in the middle of the night"?!

Around 1:36 -wah wah "5 days ago" wah wah wah.....

Around 5:12 - lots of wah before and after"lock sideways"

They have 5 pgs just to speculation on what they hear on this tape in the background from Ron, a couple of dispatcher people on there saying the crazy stuff people say when they call 911 etc.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: you've been lurking exactly where I have been lurking!! I would love to be able to clean up that tape and hear exactly what was on it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 01:26:18 AM
OK  Im gonna jump in her and get my feet wet but I have something to say and so,   
 
  First Im sure Ronald has indeed had some run ins with the Law and I dont doubt for a minute that he has a temper and that he might have shoved Chrystal around and even Misty too for that matter, also I think Chrystal probably had something to do with getting him rilled up some of the time, two young kids like they were there's no telling what the reasons were for the fights, but I bet she contributed in her own way.   Now after saying that, I also think that with Ronalds Mother working at the court house, he did get cut some slack on everything he did which didnt help him learn a lot from his mistakes but, I just do not see him as a child murderer or as a person that would abuse a child in any way, the teachers that they talked to about Haleigh all say she was well behaved and very happy and always smillin, none of them mentioned any bruises or any thing unusual about her! Also seeing as how she was a sickely child it has been checked into that she has went for regular checkups since coming to live with Ronald, where it has been shown that while living with Chrystal she had missed alot of Dr. Appointments, so Ill give him that, he cared enough to take her and make sure she was staying healthy.

   I believe that it is Mistie that is lying if anybody is, I dont think she has both oars in the water, if you know what I mean, and yea she acts like she is scared of Ronald, but I would be too if I might have done something and His daughter is gone because of it, I agree with one thing though, This was done by someone that knew this families routine, and probably someone that is either a relative or has associations with them, I think all this mud throwing that is coming down is being done so by Chrystals family because they are still upset that Ronald  had the kids and she didnt, I can just see the anger and I dont doubt everything that they are saying, I just think that now is not the time to throw all this out there, it is taking the focus off Haleigh and that should be were it is right now, not on what was done in the past, if they have all this proof of this and that, then they should have taken all that to a lawyer and went back to court! 

    All I'm saying is this, two wrongs dont make a right and throwing stones at each other isnt gonna make a difference right now, Ronald must have checked out enough at the moment to satisfy LE, for he is still right there and fake crying or real crying his focus is on wanting Haleigh back and if he did something in his past that has caused all this then when and if that comes out, and it will, that will be the time to tell all, and He will have to deal with it..........Right Now, its all about Haleigh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I totally agree with you HH, I think if Ron did it all it was a true accident or a quick fit and done swiftly, but that still leaves me with the mystery of the disposal and all that.  He loved that little girl from everything I've seen also.  And I think LE is having a tough time with all the characters here and why not keep them out of the trailer until they find her or get lawyered up and complain if they are not back in that trailer. This way it will still be in pristine crime evidence state for that time.  I think Ron knows that also and that is why he is not protesting. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 01:28:12 AM
By Ron & Misty to make it appear that an SO did it.

I wonder if the house was all locked up and no signs of a break in. How did someone get

in the home to abduct Haleigh... ::MonkeyTongue::

There's alot of speculation on other blogs about the 911 tape and what is said about the backdoor lock by Ron in the background.  He basically says the door is open but the dead bolt is out.  Weird.

What do you mean the dead lock was out?? ::MonkeyTongue::

was it out for sure?? cause that would be the perfect way to leave the door open but make it appear shut! omg.

This is what people are saying they hear Ron say in the background of 911 tape that the lock is turned sideways.

Ok this is what I hear in background: Very beginning it sounds like Ron is outside yelling Haleigh's name.

Around 39 sec -wah wah "let my daughter get stolen in the middle of the night"?!

Around 1:36 -wah wah "5 days ago" wah wah wah.....

Around 5:12 - lots of wah before and after"lock sideways"

They have 5 pgs just to speculation on what they hear on this tape in the background from Ron, a couple of dispatcher people on there saying the crazy stuff people say when they call 911 etc.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: you've been lurking exactly where I have been lurking!! I would love to be able to clean up that tape and hear exactly what was on it.

Well hopefully they will do the work for us and we will monkey heist it.  Oh no did I do something wrong.  Bad Monkey, Bad Monkey!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 01:31:56 AM
By Ron & Misty to make it appear that an SO did it.

I wonder if the house was all locked up and no signs of a break in. How did someone get

in the home to abduct Haleigh... ::MonkeyTongue::

There's alot of speculation on other blogs about the 911 tape and what is said about the backdoor lock by Ron in the background.  He basically says the door is open but the dead bolt is out.  Weird.

What do you mean the dead lock was out?? ::MonkeyTongue::

I remember an article I read the  police said there there were no signs of a break in... ::MonkeyWaa::

That was in the report, yet RC said it showed signs of forced entry at one point, then that a locksmith or pick artist picjed it.......did I have that in my list of inconsistencies ::MonkeyConfused:: can't remember anymore ::MonkeyWink::

He also brought up the bump lock and after watching the you tube video on that, I now know how to make a bump key.  With a bump key the door would not have been in the lock position tho.  That part is very strange.  But on this part I would go with what LE says, no known/ I assume visable forced entry, but if bump key was used there would be no forced entry. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dottie on February 24, 2009, 01:32:33 AM
Has anyone checked on Misty's record?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 01:33:25 AM
By Ron & Misty to make it appear that an SO did it.

I wonder if the house was all locked up and no signs of a break in. How did someone get

in the home to abduct Haleigh... ::MonkeyTongue::

There's alot of speculation on other blogs about the 911 tape and what is said about the backdoor lock by Ron in the background.  He basically says the door is open but the dead bolt is out.  Weird.

What do you mean the dead lock was out?? ::MonkeyTongue::

was it out for sure?? cause that would be the perfect way to leave the door open but make it appear shut! omg.

This is what people are saying they hear Ron say in the background of 911 tape that the lock is turned sideways.

Ok this is what I hear in background: Very beginning it sounds like Ron is outside yelling Haleigh's name.

Around 39 sec -wah wah "let my daughter get stolen in the middle of the night"?!

Around 1:36 -wah wah "5 days ago" wah wah wah.....

Around 5:12 - lots of wah before and after"lock sideways"

They have 5 pgs just to speculation on what they hear on this tape in the background from Ron, a couple of dispatcher people on there saying the crazy stuff people say when they call 911 etc.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: you've been lurking exactly where I have been lurking!! I would love to be able to clean up that tape and hear exactly what was on it.

Well hopefully they will do the work for us and we will monkey heist it.  Oh no did I do something wrong.  Bad Monkey, Bad Monkey!

Meet bad monkey #2  ::MonkeyTongue:: I've researched so much and typed so much that I swear I'm getting carpal tunnel syndrome ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 01:33:34 AM
By Ron & Misty to make it appear that an SO did it.

I wonder if the house was all locked up and no signs of a break in. How did someone get

in the home to abduct Haleigh... ::MonkeyTongue::

I'm not even sure the door was locked, but whoever did this pulled it off well~especially since they had only lived in the trailer for 4 weeks IIRC............I just want answers and pray this one doesn't end up in the cold case files ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Idk where this 4 wks came from I thought it was since November, let me see if I can grab the article from the Landlord where she talks about this.

I think he had been in the trailer park for a month, and mentioned he needed more bedrooms-I remember the statement from the former tenants saying how there was NO way anyone could sleep thru someone else coming in the house due to the floors creaking, etc. I can find it if you need the link.

I post about the former landlords awhile back- the Bards- They rented him a mobile they owned that was next to them - then Ron asked if he could rent the one around the corner with 3 bedrooms and they did..the minister who use to live @ 202 green lane stated the floors cracked alot when you walked on them and someone would here someone in the house.. ::MonkeyTongue::

Do you remember how long they said Ron had been in the new trailer?  I swear it was since Nov08.  I can't find the article now.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 24, 2009, 01:34:48 AM
By Ron & Misty to make it appear that an SO did it.

I wonder if the house was all locked up and no signs of a break in. How did someone get

in the home to abduct Haleigh... ::MonkeyTongue::

I'm not even sure the door was locked, but whoever did this pulled it off well~especially since they had only lived in the trailer for 4 weeks IIRC............I just want answers and pray this one doesn't end up in the cold case files ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Idk where this 4 wks came from I thought it was since November, let me see if I can grab the article from the Landlord where she talks about this.

I think he had been in the trailer park for a month, and mentioned he needed more bedrooms-I remember the statement from the former tenants saying how there was NO way anyone could sleep thru someone else coming in the house due to the floors creaking, etc. I can find it if you need the link.

I post about the former landlords awhile back- the Bards- They rented him a mobile they owned that was next to them - then Ron asked if he could rent the one around the corner with 3 bedrooms and they did..the minister who use to live @ 202 green lane stated the floors cracked alot when you walked on them and someone would here someone in the house.. ::MonkeyTongue::

Do you remember how long they said Ron had been in the new trailer?  I swear it was since Nov08.  I can't find the article now.

I believe i read it was in November 2008... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 01:35:15 AM
Has anyone checked on Misty's record?


not yet, mainly because I think it's sealed due to her being a juvenile.....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 01:35:52 AM
Has anyone checked on Misty's record?


Nope, minor I guess, I even wondered about her Lie detector results being released, if I were her parents she would of been lawyered up long ago.  Bet she is now or under lock and key.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 01:37:59 AM
JerseyGirl that would mean they have been there alot longer than 4 wks.  Alot longer for a Perp to figure out the routine if you go w/that angle. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 01:38:40 AM
By Ron & Misty to make it appear that an SO did it.

I wonder if the house was all locked up and no signs of a break in. How did someone get

in the home to abduct Haleigh... ::MonkeyTongue::

I'm not even sure the door was locked, but whoever did this pulled it off well~especially since they had only lived in the trailer for 4 weeks IIRC............I just want answers and pray this one doesn't end up in the cold case files ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Idk where this 4 wks came from I thought it was since November, let me see if I can grab the article from the Landlord where she talks about this.

I think he had been in the trailer park for a month, and mentioned he needed more bedrooms-I remember the statement from the former tenants saying how there was NO way anyone could sleep thru someone else coming in the house due to the floors creaking, etc. I can find it if you need the link.

I post about the former landlords awhile back- the Bards- They rented him a mobile they owned that was next to them - then Ron asked if he could rent the one around the corner with 3 bedrooms and they did..the minister who use to live @ 202 green lane stated the floors cracked alot when you walked on them and someone would here someone in the house.. ::MonkeyTongue::

Do you remember how long they said Ron had been in the new trailer?  I swear it was since Nov08.  I can't find the article now.

You're right~Found the article:



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    Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #1
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Deputies Back in Haleigh's Neighborhood
Posted By: Lindy Thackston     1 hr ago

SATSUMA, FL -- Donald Bard remembers the phone call early last Tuesday morning that woke him up.

His wife Phyllis answered the call.

"We were sleeping and then we received a phone call, the automated phone call that Haleigh Cummings was missing in our neighborhood," said Phyllis Bard.

The Bard's recognized the name right away.

"The home where Haleigh was taken from belonged to my parents," said Phyllis.

It sits right next door to her own home, and Phyllis began renting it out a few years ago after her father died of diabetes complications and her mother died in a car crash 80 days later.

The Bard's first met Haleigh's father, Ron Cummings, last August.

Phyllis says, "They first moved next door to us, and then they needed a bedroom for each of the children he said, and so he asked to rent that house and we rented that to him in November."

She's an adorable little girl," says Phyllis. "Just adorable. She would come over when I was hanging clothes on the line, and I would see the two of them out in the yard playing and she's just, what can I say, a beautiful, adorable little girl. It just breaks my heart that all this has happened."

The Bard's say, almost one week later, it's still so hard to believe. The FDLE Command Center is just yards from their front door, and Monday night, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office teamed up with the Florida Highway Patrol to set up a another roadblock outside the neighborhood.

Sgt. Joseph Wells of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said, "It's just a general set of questions. Were they down here last week, and then if yes, a few more questions."

"We might find that there's a paper delivery or a gas delivery company or something that comes and goes on this day and time and we'd just like to know who was down here and maybe did they see anything."

Sgt. Wells said the roadblock, which will be up until 2 a.m., is part of CART protocol, which is the Child Abduction Response Team.

Just down the road, Phyllis Bard thinks of the missing daughter, and of her own mother, and is comforted.

"I heard on the television, hold on to hope. I heard the sheriff say that, and all of a sudden it hit me, my mother's name was Hope. It's the house of hope. Because if my mother were living, my mother would say, just hang on to hope."


 
 
 
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 24, 2009, 01:38:51 AM
Has anyone checked on Misty's record?


not yet, mainly because I think it's sealed due to her being a juvenile.....

she has a sealed record? how recent was it?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 01:40:49 AM
Has anyone checked on Misty's record?


not yet, mainly because I think it's sealed due to her being a juvenile.....

she has a sealed record? how recent was it?

Man, I need to go to bed.......I meant to say IF she had one it would most likely be sealed because of her age.......bad monkey again ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 01:41:48 AM
I wish this Chad Eugene Reynolds SO that is still missing would turn up.  He really bothers me since his former crime is so similar to this one.  I now that I heard he worked at Longhorn steak house and they were all black uniforms and that's what he was wearing when he disappeared it bothers me, but what are the odds.  It would be an impossibility unless there was some link to this neighborhood for him.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 01:43:09 AM
Has anyone checked on Misty's record?


we don't know if she has a record, just speculating that if she does it would not be public due to her age.

not yet, mainly because I think it's sealed due to her being a juvenile.....

she has a sealed record? how recent was it?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 24, 2009, 01:43:28 AM
Has anyone checked on Misty's record?


not yet, mainly because I think it's sealed due to her being a juvenile.....

she has a sealed record? how recent was it?

Man, I need to go to bed.......I meant to say IF she had one it would most likely be sealed because of her age.......bad monkey again ::MonkeyRoll::

oh ok, i was like oh wow now what was she into haha.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 01:44:31 AM
Darn I posted in the middle again, time for bed for me too! I wish we could see her's if she does have one it could be interesting to this case.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 24, 2009, 01:45:35 AM
I wish this Chad Eugene Reynolds SO that is still missing would turn up.  He really bothers me since his former crime is so similar to this one.  I now that I heard he worked at Longhorn steak house and they were all black uniforms and that's what he was wearing when he disappeared it bothers me, but what are the odds.  It would be an impossibility unless there was some link to this neighborhood for him.

I read that too on a certain site....It would really help if they find him... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 24, 2009, 01:46:53 AM
Good Nite Sweet Monkey's... Hopefully there will be good news tomorrow... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 01:48:22 AM
Thank you Island for the article.  So it has been since nov08.  so 4 months instead of 4 wks.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 01:51:22 AM
Thank you Island for the article.  So it has been since nov08.  so 4 months instead of 4 wks.

yep~my memory is faiding fast tonight........I better call it a night seeing I have to be up at 5:30ish

Night Monkeys


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 01:51:47 AM
Good nite Jersey and it's past my bed time also,  nighty nite all and sweet dreams.  Hopefully we'll have new news tommorow.  We can always hope and pray right?!  I hope and pray the rumor I read earlier is true and he will let her go soon.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 01:52:48 AM
Good Nite Sweet Monkey's... Hopefully there will be good news tomorrow... ::MonkeyCool::

Night JG~see ya tomorrow, we can at least pray for this little girl to be found and the sooner the better.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 24, 2009, 02:03:21 AM
night to everyone hitting the monkeybunkey...sleep tight!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 24, 2009, 02:13:44 AM
Yes, sweet dreams to all of us and our loved ones...and fervent prayers that the lost come home safe and sound... :smt055.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Scandi on February 24, 2009, 02:42:06 AM
I wish this Chad Eugene Reynolds SO that is still missing would turn up.  He really bothers me since his former crime is so similar to this one.  I now that I heard he worked at Longhorn steak house and they were all black uniforms and that's what he was wearing when he disappeared it bothers me, but what are the odds.  It would be an impossibility unless there was some link to this neighborhood for him.


Hi Fatcatlurker,  First, I apologise for my Christmas Avitar but will fix it as soon as I find a new one.   ::MonkeyConfused::

I belong to another forum where the step mother of Chad Reynolds has been posting.  On the last night he was seen he wore a white shirt.  I'll read thru her posts, but I believe that was the last day he worked when he didn't wear the black shirt.

I came here on a mission because I know there are some very talented people here with computers.

A poster who seems quite sophisticated with equipment has taken a good look at the 911 call.  When she does something to the recording she can hear other things being said that one would not pick up on just listening to the call.

One thing she has said is at one point she thinks Mist puts her hand on the receiver and she can hear her and Ron whispering to each other.  There are several other things too.  One thing was hearing Ron tell her the lock was sideways.

I apologize if you guys have already studied this, but I had this little brain fart tonight and am hoping someone can pull some 'Criminal Minds' CSI work on the 911 call. 

I just think a monkey can do it! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cuteascanbe on February 24, 2009, 04:04:45 AM
Island....yes you did hear that about the woman from Pensacola...she came there the day that Haleigh was reported missing, did not know anyone in the family but I thought that I heard them say that she is staying in their tent??? And that the first day  that this woman arrived she was talking to Ron and he told this woman who no one knows that he knew 75% who took Haleigh...this is supposedly the 2nd person that he told this to...To a woman who he does not know? How strange that this woman shows up out of the blue and is staying in the tent with the bio mom and her family....anyone else think that strange?
I think that is REALLY WEIRD!!!  I also think that when RC said he was 75% sure of who has Haleigh, that he thought it was Missi's cousin because of the things she told him about her cousin. Why the big deal that he believed it could be him? I also don't think that dissecting everything these people say is going to be very helpful.Communication skills are lacking with many of the key players and I believe that has alot to do with the questions regarding some of the veracity of what they are saying. (Especially with RC and CS)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cuteascanbe on February 24, 2009, 04:14:27 AM

OMG..I'll try it this way...*******.
Are you trying to tell us something? LOL...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pharlap on February 24, 2009, 05:01:19 AM
I wish this Chad Eugene Reynolds SO that is still missing would turn up.  He really bothers me since his former crime is so similar to this one.  I now that I heard he worked at Longhorn steak house and they were all black uniforms and that's what he was wearing when he disappeared it bothers me, but what are the odds.  It would be an impossibility unless there was some link to this neighborhood for him.


Hi Fatcatlurker,  First, I apologise for my Christmas Avitar but will fix it as soon as I find a new one.   ::MonkeyConfused::

I belong to another forum where the step mother of Chad Reynolds has been posting.  On the last night he was seen he wore a white shirt.  I'll read thru her posts, but I believe that was the last day he worked when he didn't wear the black shirt.

I came here on a mission because I know there are some very talented people here with computers.

A poster who seems quite sophisticated with equipment has taken a good look at the 911 call.  When she does something to the recording she can hear other things being said that one would not pick up on just listening to the call.

One thing she has said is at one point she thinks Mist puts her hand on the receiver and she can hear her and Ron whispering to each other.  There are several other things too.  One thing was hearing Ron tell her the lock was sideways.

I apologize if you guys have already studied this, but I had this little brain fart tonight and am hoping someone can pull some 'Criminal Minds' CSI work on the 911 call. 

I just think a monkey can do it! ::MonkeyDance::

LE has to of had techs screen that call for every sound.
Wonder if this is one of the reasons LE has interviewed the 17 year old so much, what 5-7 times????
However if the call had conversations in the back ground of both of them, trying to stage the scene wouldn't you think we would of found the little girl by now?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 24, 2009, 08:31:51 AM
quote:::: IIRC, it was when RC was in a wreck and the kids were in the car, her cousin was in the car also and said they were doing drugs..........he later took a pee test and it showed no drugs (my brother can tell you how to pass anything but a hair test), and she got smacked with filing a false report.

See, another fib perhaps by a family member of Crystals? Is this the same cousin who told Crystal that Ron had back handed Haleigh?

and that is true that there are ways to pass a drug test, but unless Ron knew that he was going to be drug tested that very day, he would have had to already take the stuff before they administered the test the day of the accident right? from what I understand, whatever that counteracts the drug showing up is not instantaneous...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 24, 2009, 09:16:37 AM
This bothers me as well:
RIVERA: Do you believe that Ron Cummings knows who took Haleigh?

SHEFFIELD: Yes. I mean he’s told my brother and my fiancé that he knows — he’s 75 percent sure he knows where his daughter is. He said on TV that he had no enemies.

On a show yesterday when asked why her fiance was being questioned again, Crystal says that it was a misunderstanding that Ron had told her fiance about being 75% sure who took Haleigh...now she is saying that it was just her brother that Ron said that to and also the woman from Pensacola...who no one knows....So, which is correct, that both Chad and the brother were told or that just the brother was told?

I thought when she was on the interview with Geraldo and she was saying the part about the fiance and the brother getting that info from Ron, that the fiance looked very uncomfortable, shuffling around and looking down at the ground...it made me question then if it was a made up thing and now it had snowballed into being "fact"...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: annettef49 on February 24, 2009, 09:22:57 AM
Interesting speculation from another web blog on Haleigh:

Haliegh wouldnt have been afraid to go to the clothes basket because the kitchen light was on, which is right by the door and the basket.and as i have aid before.. i believe the person that took her put the light on so they could see Haliegh come near the door to snatch her.

OMG! i just thought of this. and it makes alot of sence. the light was put on in the kitchen so that Haliegh WOULDNT be afraid in the dark and so that she would be seen by the person that took her, i think they were in the woods watching for her in to come by the door OR right near the door and took her when she was putting her pink top in the basket, if this is how it all happened then i would say it HAS to be someone that KNOWS she is afraid of the dark and knew she has changed her clothes and put them in the clothes basket before. What do ya'll think about my therory??? of course all this is just MO.

HI ya monkeys!!! I AM the one that has this therory of what happened.of course it is just MO.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 24, 2009, 09:31:51 AM
I think that Misty left the light on when she went out so that if Haleigh did wake up from her sleep, she wouldn't be afraid and maybe use the phone to call her dad or cry and wake up Jr? her grandmother said that she was good at using cell phones and computers...Misty would have been cooked if Haleigh woke up to a dark house and wondered where everyone was and then called Ron at work ..BUSTED!
I think that perhaps Misty could have left the back door cracked open to get back in by leaving the dead bolt out and pushing the door shut...making it appear that it was shut..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 09:44:22 AM
quote:::: IIRC, it was when RC was in a wreck and the kids were in the car, her cousin was in the car also and said they were doing drugs..........he later took a pee test and it showed no drugs (my brother can tell you how to pass anything but a hair test), and she got smacked with filing a false report.

See, another fib perhaps by a family member of Crystals? Is this the same cousin who told Crystal that Ron had back handed Haleigh?

and that is true that there are ways to pass a drug test, but unless Ron knew that he was going to be drug tested that very day, he would have had to already take the stuff before they administered the test the day of the accident right? from what I understand, whatever that counteracts the drug showing up is not instantaneous...

Not sure which cousin it was, I thought it was a male cousin that admitted that he himself was also doing the drugs, nor am I certain.....but this may have been one of the two times he left the scene of an accident. I'll have to go back thru my notes when I'm at home......sneaking in here while at work, shhhh~don't tell anyone ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: annettef49 on February 24, 2009, 09:45:41 AM
Interesting speculation from another web blog on Haleigh:

Haliegh wouldnt have been afraid to go to the clothes basket because the kitchen light was on, which is right by the door and the basket.and as i have aid before.. i believe the person that took her put the light on so they could see Haliegh come near the door to snatch her.

OMG! i just thought of this. and it makes alot of sence. the light was put on in the kitchen so that Haliegh WOULDNT be afraid in the dark and so that she would be seen by the person that took her, i think they were in the woods watching for her in to come by the door OR right near the door and took her when she was putting her pink top in the basket, if this is how it all happened then i would say it HAS to be someone that KNOWS she is afraid of the dark and knew she has changed her clothes and put them in the clothes basket before. What do ya'll think about my therory??? of course all this is just MO.
That would be fine except, why would she go and put this shirt in the laundry basket after she had been asleep, or are you saying before she went to bed, I still dont know why she would take that shirt off to put something else on at all, and if that is what this person was waiting for then what would he have done had she never went in there and thrown that shirt down!!!!  I dont know about this, Something is just so wrong with this entire story!

NO... i am saying that this perp knew the family, knew Haliegh changed her clothes at night < wetting the bed> <misty not there so H does it herself> the perp may have been watching the familys routine, ect and had been waiting for how many nights to get H close enough to snatch her. so i am also saying that IF M wasnt in the house that night , the perp knew that too. therfore the perp dodnt have to ENTER the house to snatch H. just waits and watches from outside. this could be why M nor JR heard anything and never woke up. if she was snatched by the door , possibly no one would hear anything. of course this is just my therory and MO.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: annettef49 on February 24, 2009, 09:51:02 AM
I think that Misty left the light on when she went out so that if Haleigh did wake up from her sleep, she wouldn't be afraid and maybe use the phone to call her dad or cry and wake up Jr? her grandmother said that she was good at using cell phones and computers...Misty would have been cooked if Haleigh woke up to a dark house and wondered where everyone was and then called Ron at work ..BUSTED!
I think that perhaps Misty could have left the back door cracked open to get back in by leaving the dead bolt out and pushing the door shut...making it appear that it was shut..


my therory on the light is this.. the perp went into the house, after M propped the door open, the perp puts the light on so that they < he> can see into the house < from watching in the woods> to see when H got up to use the bathrm OR change her clothes because H wet the bed. i believe this perp knows the family, knows R n M rountine and possibly also the childrends too. im thinking maybe H put her pink top in the dirty clothes and was by the door at the time and the perp snatched her then, AGAIN.. JMO..MY GUT FEELING.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 09:52:31 AM
This bothers me as well:
RIVERA: Do you believe that Ron Cummings knows who took Haleigh?

SHEFFIELD: Yes. I mean he’s told my brother and my fiancé that he knows — he’s 75 percent sure he knows where his daughter is. He said on TV that he had no enemies.

On a show yesterday when asked why her fiance was being questioned again, Crystal says that it was a misunderstanding that Ron had told her fiance about being 75% sure who took Haleigh...now she is saying that it was just her brother that Ron said that to and also the woman from Pensacola...who no one knows....So, which is correct, that both Chad and the brother were told or that just the brother was told?

I thought when she was on the interview with Geraldo and she was saying the part about the fiance and the brother getting that info from Ron, that the fiance looked very uncomfortable, shuffling around and looking down at the ground...it made me question then if it was a made up thing and now it had snowballed into being "fact"...

IDK~I don't think she was ever told this, maybe RC told her brother who told Chad, but it does seem consistent with what RC told the TES guy, that he feared this was done out because something he did in his past and wouldn't elaborate further...also, IMO on the 911 call, I sensed he was talking about "him", I'm gonna kill him.......things he's said along those lines weave in and out of his interviews...maybe he's speculating, maybe he knows nothing.....I think we are all grasping at straws here trying to figure out this sordid mess.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: annettef49 on February 24, 2009, 09:54:17 AM
By Ron & Misty to make it appear that an SO did it.

I wonder if the house was all locked up and no signs of a break in. How did someone get

in the home to abduct Haleigh... ::MonkeyTongue::
MAYBE NO ONE actually ENTERED the house. the perp was OUTSIDE n snatched H by the door// maybe? JMO


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 09:57:14 AM
I think that Misty left the light on when she went out so that if Haleigh did wake up from her sleep, she wouldn't be afraid and maybe use the phone to call her dad or cry and wake up Jr? her grandmother said that she was good at using cell phones and computers...Misty would have been cooked if Haleigh woke up to a dark house and wondered where everyone was and then called Ron at work ..BUSTED!
I think that perhaps Misty could have left the back door cracked open to get back in by leaving the dead bolt out and pushing the door shut...making it appear that it was shut..


I completely understand leaving a light on for kids, but didn't she state that the light being one was one of the reasons she noticed something was wrong.......that's my recollection anyway.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 24, 2009, 09:58:35 AM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132058&catid=3

Search For Haleigh Enters Week 3
Posted By: Erich Spivey     Created: 2/23/2009 9:53:05 PM    Updated: 2/23/2009 10:59:16 PM

 
SATSUMA, FL -- The search for Haleigh Cummings is entering Week 3.

That means 21 straight days of vigils and prayer for her family.

"Until Haleigh is found either alive, which is what we're praying for, or not, has gone onto heaven, we're going to have hope," family pastor Terry Wright told First Coast News' Erich Spivey.

Wright is one of the few people outside the media who is welcome at the camps of Haleigh's mom and dad. The parents are holding separate vigils each night about a half-mile apart.

At mom's campsite Monday night, CNN lit up the vigil, keeping Haleigh in the national spotlight with an appearance on Nancy Grace's show.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 24, 2009, 09:59:48 AM
wish that we could get some news so that we can stop speculating....
Hope that she is found today...bless her little heart...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: annettef49 on February 24, 2009, 10:00:35 AM
By Ron & Misty to make it appear that an SO did it.

I wonder if the house was all locked up and no signs of a break in. How did someone get

in the home to abduct Haleigh... ::MonkeyTongue::

There's alot of speculation on other blogs about the 911 tape and what is said about the backdoor lock by Ron in the background.  He basically says the door is open but the dead bolt is out.  Weird.

What do you mean the dead lock was out?? ::MonkeyTongue::

I remember an article I read the  police said there there were no signs of a break in... ::MonkeyWaa::

NO signs of a break in? then it COULD be.. M propped the door open and the perp didnt have to break in to snatch H. JMO. this may be the reason why LE isnt saying anything as to R or M passing the test and also why LE still has the house closed off and in their possesion.<sp?>


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 24, 2009, 10:00:50 AM
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18778590/detail.html

Investigator: We Are No Closer To Finding Haleigh

POSTED: Monday, February 23, 2009
UPDATED: 12:39 am EST February 24, 2009

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- Two weeks after 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings vanished from her Satsuma home in the middle of the night, investigators were still searching for the kindergartner and following up on 1,600 leads.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office said it has five detectives working on the case around the clock. On Monday, one investigator said they are no closer to finding Haleigh than they were when she first disappeared.

Haleigh was last seen at 10 p.m. Feb. 9, in bed at her home in the Hermet's Cove mobile home park where she lives with her father, his 17-year-old girlfriend and her younger brother.

Investigators were told the last person to see the 5-year-old was her father's girlfriend, Misty Croslin, who told investigators that she saw the girl in her bed at 10 p.m. She told police when she awoke at 3 a.m. on Tuesday to use the bathroom, Haleigh was missing and the back door of the home was open.

Over the past 14 days, detectives have questioned and re-questioned Haleigh's family members and anyone else who had contact with the child before she disappeared.

One person who was questioned on Monday was the fiancé of the missing child's mother. Police questioned Chad Griffis for about 30 minutes but would not say whether the man had been questioned in the past or why they questioned him on Monday.

Officials said they are not planning on scaling back their investigation.

However, as developments in the case have slowed, investigators opted on Monday not to hold a news conference. The daily news briefings by the Putnam County Sheriff's Office had been taking place nearly every day since Haleigh's disappearance.

The absence of the news briefing caused some concern for Haleigh's family members, who said they want the media attention on the missing 5-year-old.

"There is a concern that people will forget to pray or not remember what she looks like," said the Cummings' family pastor, Rev. Terry Wright.

One type of media coverage, however, did not sit well with some of the missing girl's loved ones. On Saturday evening, tensions boiled over during an interview between Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, and Fox News anchor Geraldo Rivera.

At a time when the two sides of Haleigh's family remain united in a plea for the girl's safe return home, they couldn't be more divided about some things.

Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, and her family spoke out to Rivera last weekend, making several serious accusations against the missing girl's father.
 
"I felt fine with it. It bothers me that they're upset about it," Sheffield said.

Rivera confronted Cummings about allegations about drug use, physical abuse and claims that he was 75 percent sure he knew who took Haleigh.

When the controversial journalist brought up allegations of abuse, Cummings said he "never, ever have I ever hit my child."

"Me and my child have an agreement. Daddy-daughter. She has been spanked on her behind the way DCF (Florida Department of Children and Families) says that you can take care of disciplining your children," Cummings said in the Fox interview.

When Rivera continued pressing Cummings with allegations he hit Sheffield when she was pregnant with Haleigh, used illegal drugs and told someone he was "75 percent sure" he knew know took Haleigh, the property owners told Rivera to leave and Putnam County deputies were called.

"I'd have liked to punch him … It was disgusting. To say the least, it was disgusting -- any man to put a man with his child gone like that through what he put him through," said Haleigh's paternal great-grandmother, Annette Sykes after the interview.

Rivera was issued a warning that if he would be charged with trespassing if he returned, according to the Putnam County incident report.

While neither of Haleigh's parents would speak to the media after the incident, Haleigh's maternal grandmother wasn't surprised at the confrontation between the family and Rivera.

"It's our word against his. You know, he says no and we say yes," said Haleigh's maternal grandmother, Marie Griffis.

Haleigh's family members on both sides said the drama and accusations have taken away from their shared goal of finding Haleigh.

"All of the commotion it caused took away from the searching and leads for Haleigh. We just want Haleigh, and the media slows down more and more each day because it's getting longer and longer," Sykes said.

Anyone with information about Haleigh's disappearance should call 888-277-TIPS or the FDLE's Missing Endangered Persons Information Clearinghouse at 888-FL-MISSING.

The reward for information regarding Haleigh's whereabouts and/or the conviction of the perpetrator of any crimes involving stands at $20,000.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 24, 2009, 10:02:30 AM
I think that Misty left the light on when she went out so that if Haleigh did wake up from her sleep, she wouldn't be afraid and maybe use the phone to call her dad or cry and wake up Jr? her grandmother said that she was good at using cell phones and computers...Misty would have been cooked if Haleigh woke up to a dark house and wondered where everyone was and then called Ron at work ..BUSTED!
I think that perhaps Misty could have left the back door cracked open to get back in by leaving the dead bolt out and pushing the door shut...making it appear that it was shut..


I completely understand leaving a light on for kids, but didn't she state that the light being one was one of the reasons she noticed something was wrong.......that's my recollection anyway.

yes, but she also said that she was home all night and there is that possibility that perhaps she wasn't home....just sayin...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 24, 2009, 10:05:45 AM
As I typed the above it occurred to me, would a perp entering someone elses' home to steal a child turn a light on???? would that not possibly wake up the people of the house? can't say that I recall a burglar or a child stealer ever turning on a light to sneak the child out....makes no sense...She had to have been gone when the perp came in...otherwise why would the perp feel comfortable enough to turn on a light?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 24, 2009, 10:12:18 AM
http://www.wesh.com/news/18775072/detail.html

Sheriff's Office: No New Leads In Search For Haleigh
Investigators Speak With Haleigh's Father Again


POSTED: 10:13 am EST February 23, 2009
UPDATED: 5:47 pm EST February 23, 2009


SATSUMA, Fla. -- The Putnam County Sheriff's Office canceled its daily news conference on Monday in the search for Haleigh Cummings.

The sheriff's office said it canceled the news conference because it had no new information or leads to share.

Haleigh, 5, was reported missing from her Satsuma home early in the morning of Feb. 10 by her father's girlfriend, Misty Croslin, 17.

Despite the canceled news conference, investigators were still hard at work in Satsuma on Monday.

Investigators spoke with two people related to the case on Monday -- Haleigh's mother's fiancé, Chad Griffis, and Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings.

Haleigh's maternal grandmother, Marie Griffis, said Chad Griffis has nothing to hide. Marie Griffis is also Chad Griffis' stepmother.

"All we want is for Haleigh to come home."
- Haleigh's grandmother, Teresa Neves

"No, no. I know his whereabouts. He lives 500 feet in front of me," Marie Griffis said.

Haleigh's paternal grandmother, Teresa Neves, said the focus should be on finding her granddaughter.

"And for people to be dragging up dirt, and trying to turn this into something that it's not…this is about Haleigh. It's all about Haleigh. All we want is for Haleigh to come home," Neves said.

Also on Monday, a donor added $25,000 to the Crime Stoppers reward for Haleigh, Crime Stoppers Executive Director Dr. Suzanne DeWees said. The total is now up to $41,000.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pharlap on February 24, 2009, 10:13:07 AM
I think that Misty left the light on when she went out so that if Haleigh did wake up from her sleep, she wouldn't be afraid and maybe use the phone to call her dad or cry and wake up Jr? her grandmother said that she was good at using cell phones and computers...Misty would have been cooked if Haleigh woke up to a dark house and wondered where everyone was and then called Ron at work ..BUSTED!
I think that perhaps Misty could have left the back door cracked open to get back in by leaving the dead bolt out and pushing the door shut...making it appear that it was shut..


I completely understand leaving a light on for kids, but didn't she state that the light being one was one of the reasons she noticed something was wrong.......that's my recollection anyway.

yes, but she also said that she was home all night and there is that possibility that perhaps she wasn't home....just sayin...


For all we know if the light was on or not.........
Just wish ppl would tell the truth, one story...............
Not happening thou................ ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: annettef49 on February 24, 2009, 10:13:55 AM
As I typed the above it occurred to me, would a perp entering someone elses' home to steal a child turn a light on???? would that not possibly wake up the people of the house? can't say that I recall a burglar or a child stealer ever turning on a light to sneak the child out....makes no sense...She had to have been gone when the perp came in...otherwise why would the perp feel comfortable enough to turn on a light?
i'm thinking a perp WOULD turn a light on so to see inside the house and when and IF H < kids > got up to use the bathrm or change clothes because of wetting the bed. ALSO would do this KNOWING < maybe> that M was not in the house and a light on WOULD NOT disturb the children. JMO


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: annettef49 on February 24, 2009, 10:17:25 AM
As I typed the above it occurred to me, would a perp entering someone elses' home to steal a child turn a light on???? would that not possibly wake up the people of the house? can't say that I recall a burglar or a child stealer ever turning on a light to sneak the child out....makes no sense...She had to have been gone when the perp came in...otherwise why would the perp feel comfortable enough to turn on a light?
also a light could have been turned on by a perp so that H < and RJ> could see well enough to get around in the house when they got up.and so that the perp could see them in the house, with a light on. JMO


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 24, 2009, 10:17:37 AM
As I typed the above it occurred to me, would a perp entering someone elses' home to steal a child turn a light on???? would that not possibly wake up the people of the house? can't say that I recall a burglar or a child stealer ever turning on a light to sneak the child out....makes no sense...She had to have been gone when the perp came in...otherwise why would the perp feel comfortable enough to turn on a light?
i'm thinking a perp WOULD turn a light on so to see inside the house and when and IF H < kids > got up to use the bathrm or change clothes because of wetting the bed. ALSO would do this KNOWING < maybe> that M was not in the house and a light on WOULD NOT disturb the children. JMO

ha ha Annette....I started typing my reply and was on the phone  for awhile before I submitted it... so I didn't see this reply of yours....great minds think alike huh


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 10:19:36 AM
I think that Misty left the light on when she went out so that if Haleigh did wake up from her sleep, she wouldn't be afraid and maybe use the phone to call her dad or cry and wake up Jr? her grandmother said that she was good at using cell phones and computers...Misty would have been cooked if Haleigh woke up to a dark house and wondered where everyone was and then called Ron at work ..BUSTED!
I think that perhaps Misty could have left the back door cracked open to get back in by leaving the dead bolt out and pushing the door shut...making it appear that it was shut..


I completely understand leaving a light on for kids, but didn't she state that the light being one was one of the reasons she noticed something was wrong.......that's my recollection anyway.

yes, but she also said that she was home all night and there is that possibility that perhaps she wasn't home....just sayin...


Yep~she may very well not have been home, I'm just going from her statementsssss. I can understand a 17yr old, who is a maid, sex partner, cook, substitute mother wanting to have a bit of freedom-that being said, if she did leave that night, it's inexcusable to leave home 2 innocent children EVER.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: annettef49 on February 24, 2009, 10:20:37 AM
As I typed the above it occurred to me, would a perp entering someone elses' home to steal a child turn a light on???? would that not possibly wake up the people of the house? can't say that I recall a burglar or a child stealer ever turning on a light to sneak the child out....makes no sense...She had to have been gone when the perp came in...otherwise why would the perp feel comfortable enough to turn on a light?
i'm thinking a perp WOULD turn a light on so to see inside the house and when and IF H < kids > got up to use the bathrm or change clothes because of wetting the bed. ALSO would do this KNOWING < maybe> that M was not in the house and a light on WOULD NOT disturb the children. JMO

ha ha Annette....I started typing my reply and was on the phone  for awhile before I submitted it... so I didn't see this reply of yours....great minds think alike huh
LOL  YUP  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 24, 2009, 10:21:44 AM
Annette...agreeing with you about the light being on cause Misty was not home...Not so sure that I think that the perp turned it on for any reason...wish we had edit buttons...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 24, 2009, 10:25:28 AM
Island...I can totally understand a 17 yr old wanting to get out of the house for awhile...someone says, oh just come out and have a few beers with us, it will be alright...yadda yadda...
No excuse to leave children alone in my eyes either...still she is a child herself and I would be pretty sure that she would have never considered the horrible things that could happen if she had left them...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: annettef49 on February 24, 2009, 10:25:55 AM
Annette...agreeing with you about the light being on cause Misty was not home...Not so sure that I think that the perp turned it on for any reason...wish we had edit buttons...

ok.. but thinking about it this way... lets say the perp knows the family and the family knows him < them?> ok?
the perp MAY put the light on so that H sees <him> the perp,, H doesnt scream or get upset as to the perp being there and the perp see's H up and where she is in the house so <he?> can snatch her with out anyone being wokin up or hearing H scream,yell.ect.
know what i'm saying here?? agin.. JMO


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: annettef49 on February 24, 2009, 10:28:36 AM
Annette...agreeing with you about the light being on cause Misty was not home...Not so sure that I think that the perp turned it on for any reason...wish we had edit buttons...

ok.. but thinking about it this way... lets say the perp knows the family and the family knows him < them?> ok?
the perp MAY put the light on so that H sees <him> the perp,, H doesnt scream or get upset as to the perp being there and the perp see's H up and where she is in the house so <he?> can snatch her with out anyone being wokin up or hearing H scream,yell.ect.
know what i'm saying here?? agin.. JMO
this therory also leaves the possibilty that M WAS home and in bed and didnt hear anyhthing and aslo why JR would not HEAR anything at the time H was takin. this therory also leaves it open to the possibility that M WAS NOT there.
you see what i am saying and getting at??


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 24, 2009, 10:30:44 AM
Annette...agreeing with you about the light being on cause Misty was not home...Not so sure that I think that the perp turned it on for any reason...wish we had edit buttons...

ok.. but thinking about it this way... lets say the perp knows the family and the family knows him < them?> ok?
the perp MAY put the light on so that H sees <him> the perp,, H doesnt scream or get upset as to the perp being there and the perp see's H up and where she is in the house so <he?> can snatch her with out anyone being wokin up or hearing H scream,yell.ect.
know what i'm saying here?? agin.. JMO
this therory also leaves the possibilty that M WAS home and in bed and didnt hear anyhthing and aslo why JR would not HEAR anything at the time H was takin. this therory also leaves it open to the possibility that M WAS NOT there.
you see what i am saying and getting at??

Yes...that makes sense to me now...I see where you are going with this....anything is possible in this case that is for fricking sure... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: annettef49 on February 24, 2009, 10:31:22 AM
Annette...agreeing with you about the light being on cause Misty was not home...Not so sure that I think that the perp turned it on for any reason...wish we had edit buttons...

ok.. but thinking about it this way... lets say the perp knows the family and the family knows him < them?> ok?
the perp MAY put the light on so that H sees <him> the perp,, H doesnt scream or get upset as to the perp being there and the perp see's H up and where she is in the house so <he?> can snatch her with out anyone being wokin up or hearing H scream,yell.ect.
know what i'm saying here?? agin.. JMO
this therory also leaves the possibilty that M WAS home and in bed and didnt hear anyhthing and aslo why JR would not HEAR anything at the time H was takin. this therory also leaves it open to the possibility that M WAS NOT there.
you see what i am saying and getting at??
i am also thinking that H WAS NOT takin from her sleep in her bed. this is why M < if she was there> and JR, DID NOT HEAR ANYTHING. i think H was out in the kitchen area, by the door when the perp took her. AGAIN ..JMO. my gut feeling.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: annettef49 on February 24, 2009, 10:35:30 AM
Annette...agreeing with you about the light being on cause Misty was not home...Not so sure that I think that the perp turned it on for any reason...wish we had edit buttons...

ok.. but thinking about it this way... lets say the perp knows the family and the family knows him < them?> ok?
the perp MAY put the light on so that H sees <him> the perp,, H doesnt scream or get upset as to the perp being there and the perp see's H up and where she is in the house so <he?> can snatch her with out anyone being wokin up or hearing H scream,yell.ect.
know what i'm saying here?? agin.. JMO
this therory also leaves the possibilty that M WAS home and in bed and didnt hear anyhthing and aslo why JR would not HEAR anything at the time H was takin. this therory also leaves it open to the possibility that M WAS NOT there.
you see what i am saying and getting at??
im also thinking that the perp took H when she was in the kitchen-door area. being the light was on and her pink shirt was in the dirty clothes by the door/ so if M was home or not... M nor JR would have heard anything. the perp maybe snatched H by the door..maybe.. JMO.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 10:36:41 AM
I wish this Chad Eugene Reynolds SO that is still missing would turn up.  He really bothers me since his former crime is so similar to this one.  I now that I heard he worked at Longhorn steak house and they were all black uniforms and that's what he was wearing when he disappeared it bothers me, but what are the odds.  It would be an impossibility unless there was some link to this neighborhood for him.


Hi Fatcatlurker,  First, I apologise for my Christmas Avitar but will fix it as soon as I find a new one.   ::MonkeyConfused::

I belong to another forum where the step mother of Chad Reynolds has been posting.  On the last night he was seen he wore a white shirt.  I'll read thru her posts, but I believe that was the last day he worked when he didn't wear the black shirt.

I came here on a mission because I know there are some very talented people here with computers.

A poster who seems quite sophisticated with equipment has taken a good look at the 911 call.  When she does something to the recording she can hear other things being said that one would not pick up on just listening to the call.

One thing she has said is at one point she thinks Mist puts her hand on the receiver and she can hear her and Ron whispering to each other.  There are several other things too.  One thing was hearing Ron tell her the lock was sideways.

I apologize if you guys have already studied this, but I had this little brain fart tonight and am hoping someone can pull some 'Criminal Minds' CSI work on the 911 call. 

I just think a monkey can do it! ::MonkeyDance::

Hello Scandi!  I actually lurk and post on that particular webblog also.  And I believe the stepmother said this white tshirt was on under the black uniform top.  I think it would be way to much of a 1 in a million for it to be Chad Reynolds anyway.  This poor guy has probably either done something to himself, had some retribution done to him, or just decided to drop off everyone's radar....

I wish we could hear everything in the background of the 911 I think it would clear up a lot of questions for everyone in regards to what was going on and what Misty & Ron are hiding, maybe just drugs, but it would be nice to know. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: annettef49 on February 24, 2009, 10:37:36 AM
Annette...agreeing with you about the light being on cause Misty was not home...Not so sure that I think that the perp turned it on for any reason...wish we had edit buttons...

ok.. but thinking about it this way... lets say the perp knows the family and the family knows him < them?> ok?
the perp MAY put the light on so that H sees <him> the perp,, H doesnt scream or get upset as to the perp being there and the perp see's H up and where she is in the house so <he?> can snatch her with out anyone being wokin up or hearing H scream,yell.ect.
know what i'm saying here?? agin.. JMO
this therory also leaves the possibilty that M WAS home and in bed and didnt hear anyhthing and aslo why JR would not HEAR anything at the time H was takin. this therory also leaves it open to the possibility that M WAS NOT there.
you see what i am saying and getting at??

Yes...that makes sense to me now...I see where you are going with this....anything is possible in this case that is for fricking sure... ::MonkeyConfused::
thats 4 SURE... ANYTHING IS...but again this is just my therory and MO  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: annettef49 on February 24, 2009, 10:39:32 AM
I think that Misty left the light on when she went out so that if Haleigh did wake up from her sleep, she wouldn't be afraid and maybe use the phone to call her dad or cry and wake up Jr? her grandmother said that she was good at using cell phones and computers...Misty would have been cooked if Haleigh woke up to a dark house and wondered where everyone was and then called Ron at work ..BUSTED!
I think that perhaps Misty could have left the back door cracked open to get back in by leaving the dead bolt out and pushing the door shut...making it appear that it was shut..


I completely understand leaving a light on for kids, but didn't she state that the light being one was one of the reasons she noticed something was wrong.......that's my recollection anyway.

yes, but she also said that she was home all night and there is that possibility that perhaps she wasn't home....just sayin...


Yep~she may very well not have been home, I'm just going from her statementsssss. I can understand a 17yr old, who is a maid, sex partner, cook, substitute mother wanting to have a bit of freedom-that being said, if she did leave that night, it's inexcusable to leave home 2 innocent children EVER.
GOD!! YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!! EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 10:39:42 AM
P.S. I think a Monkey could do it too!  That's why I stay at this site more, it's much more personable to me the monks here are real people w/real insight and very morbid devious minded in crime sleuthing.  No nanners I meant that as a compliment.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 24, 2009, 10:40:46 AM
I wish this Chad Eugene Reynolds SO that is still missing would turn up.  He really bothers me since his former crime is so similar to this one.  I now that I heard he worked at Longhorn steak house and they were all black uniforms and that's what he was wearing when he disappeared it bothers me, but what are the odds.  It would be an impossibility unless there was some link to this neighborhood for him.


Hi Fatcatlurker,  First, I apologise for my Christmas Avitar but will fix it as soon as I find a new one.   ::MonkeyConfused::

I belong to another forum where the step mother of Chad Reynolds has been posting.  On the last night he was seen he wore a white shirt.  I'll read thru her posts, but I believe that was the last day he worked when he didn't wear the black shirt.

I came here on a mission because I know there are some very talented people here with computers.

A poster who seems quite sophisticated with equipment has taken a good look at the 911 call.  When she does something to the recording she can hear other things being said that one would not pick up on just listening to the call.

One thing she has said is at one point she thinks Mist puts her hand on the receiver and she can hear her and Ron whispering to each other.  There are several other things too.  One thing was hearing Ron tell her the lock was sideways.

I apologize if you guys have already studied this, but I had this little brain fart tonight and am hoping someone can pull some 'Criminal Minds' CSI work on the 911 call. 

I just think a monkey can do it! ::MonkeyDance::

Hello Scandi!  I actually lurk and post on that particular webblog also.  And I believe the stepmother said this white tshirt was on under the black uniform top.  I think it would be way to much of a 1 in a million for it to be Chad Reynolds anyway.  This poor guy has probably either done something to himself, had some retribution done to him, or just decided to drop off everyone's radar....

I wish we could hear everything in the background of the 911 I think it would clear up a lot of questions for everyone in regards to what was going on and what Misty & Ron are hiding, maybe just drugs, but it would be nice to know. 

Has this Chad used a credit card or anything since going missing? It is odd that he disappeared at around the same time...And if he had contact with anyone,wouldn't they tell him that the police are looking for him? and wouldn't he tell someone then that he had nothing to do with it all? but then again, maybe he isn't around anymore as was mentioned above...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 24, 2009, 10:50:48 AM
fatcatlurker..I agree with you about Chad Reynolds, I will be shocked to find out if he had anything to do with this. I also think something bad has happened to him.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 24, 2009, 10:56:02 AM
fatcatlurker..I agree with you about Chad Reynolds, I will be shocked to find out if he had anything to do with this. I also think something bad has happened to him.

it would appear so...that something bad could have happened to him..
has his family appealed to him to come forward?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 10:57:49 AM
This pic is on Misty's Overstreet cousin's myspace.  The dude holding the tootsie pop is one of the Overstreet cousins.  Check out the man in black in the background: 


(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Haleigh/tootsiecuz.jpg)


http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/27/l_6119b37eeb53499990d147a37cee5fd2.jpg (http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/27/l_6119b37eeb53499990d147a37cee5fd2.jpg)







Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 10:58:20 AM
Island....yes you did hear that about the woman from Pensacola...she came there the day that Haleigh was reported missing, did not know anyone in the family but I thought that I heard them say that she is staying in their tent??? And that the first day  that this woman arrived she was talking to Ron and he told this woman who no one knows that he knew 75% who took Haleigh...this is supposedly the 2nd person that he told this to...To a woman who he does not know? How strange that this woman shows up out of the blue and is staying in the tent with the bio mom and her family....anyone else think that strange?
I think that is REALLY WEIRD!!!  I also think that when RC said he was 75% sure of who has Haleigh, that he thought it was Missi's cousin because of the things she told him about her cousin. Why the big deal that he believed it could be him? I also don't think that dissecting everything these people say is going to be very helpful.Communication skills are lacking with many of the key players and I believe that has alot to do with the questions regarding some of the veracity of what they are saying. (Especially with RC and CS)

Totally agree with you on this, we are putting too much thought and personal emotion into these characters instead of looking at it from all angles and this leads to missing the obvious sometimes.  And to try to dissect the speaking/word usage of these people is just ludicrous to me.  I always thought it was odd when people say well so and so used the past tense when speaking about someone therefor they must be dead.  Uh Not Necessarily, I mean to assume that from one sentence w/out looking at the conversation or the person as a whole including education level, area of birth and all other personal eccentricities of the person is crazy.  We can assume/speculate, but personally I'd even have a hard time trusting a PHD of Psych's snap judgement of this.  And yeah I believe it was brought out last night that Ron was referring to Joe Misty's Cousin so talk about a big waste of time for everyone, including LE who had already excluded him as a POI.

You know what interests me about this tho is why haul them both in to clarify this again w/ questions unless they already have there sights on a POI and do not want the waters muddied w/false statements and accusations.  Seems like some wagon circling may be going on now.  Finally.  I hope.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 24, 2009, 11:01:46 AM
fatcatlurker..I agree with you about Chad Reynolds, I will be shocked to find out if he had anything to do with this. I also think something bad has happened to him.

it would appear so...that something bad could have happened to him..
has his family appealed to him to come forward?
I do know his step mother is posting over on another forum, and I think yes they are concerned where he could be.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 24, 2009, 11:01:50 AM
that picture with the man in black is creepy...
must be a halloween party?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 24, 2009, 11:04:03 AM
that picture with the man in black is creepy...
must be a halloween party?
That's what I'm thinking, are both of those guys Misty's cousins?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 11:04:26 AM

Sorry, wrong link.  Here's the actual link:

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=269248876&albumID=618342&imageID=11742591 (http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=269248876&albumID=618342&imageID=11742591)



This pic is on Misty's Overstreet cousin's myspace.  The dude holding the tootsie pop is one of the Overstreet cousins.  Check out the man in black in the background: 


(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Haleigh/tootsiecuz.jpg)




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 11:05:11 AM
I wish this Chad Eugene Reynolds SO that is still missing would turn up.  He really bothers me since his former crime is so similar to this one.  I now that I heard he worked at Longhorn steak house and they were all black uniforms and that's what he was wearing when he disappeared it bothers me, but what are the odds.  It would be an impossibility unless there was some link to this neighborhood for him.


Hi Fatcatlurker,  First, I apologise for my Christmas Avitar but will fix it as soon as I find a new one.   ::MonkeyConfused::

I belong to another forum where the step mother of Chad Reynolds has been posting.  On the last night he was seen he wore a white shirt.  I'll read thru her posts, but I believe that was the last day he worked when he didn't wear the black shirt.

I came here on a mission because I know there are some very talented people here with computers.

A poster who seems quite sophisticated with equipment has taken a good look at the 911 call.  When she does something to the recording she can hear other things being said that one would not pick up on just listening to the call.

One thing she has said is at one point she thinks Mist puts her hand on the receiver and she can hear her and Ron whispering to each other.  There are several other things too.  One thing was hearing Ron tell her the lock was sideways.

I apologize if you guys have already studied this, but I had this little brain fart tonight and am hoping someone can pull some 'Criminal Minds' CSI work on the 911 call. 

I just think a monkey can do it! ::MonkeyDance::

Hello Scandi!  I actually lurk and post on that particular webblog also.  And I believe the stepmother said this white tshirt was on under the black uniform top.  I think it would be way to much of a 1 in a million for it to be Chad Reynolds anyway.  This poor guy has probably either done something to himself, had some retribution done to him, or just decided to drop off everyone's radar....

I wish we could hear everything in the background of the 911 I think it would clear up a lot of questions for everyone in regards to what was going on and what Misty & Ron are hiding, maybe just drugs, but it would be nice to know. 

Has this Chad used a credit card or anything since going missing? It is odd that he disappeared at around the same time...And if he had contact with anyone,wouldn't they tell him that the police are looking for him? and wouldn't he tell someone then that he had nothing to do with it all? but then again, maybe he isn't around anymore as was mentioned above...

This is what I've read on news reports about Chad.  The last contact was in the am hours of following day from him missing, he called a friend, but the friend did not answer and no message left.  The police put a track on his phone I guess thru GPS, but it appears the phone is off and is no longer transmitting a signal??  The vibe I get from the Stepmom on the other webblog that she is posting too is that the Police don't seem to care, they think either suicide or something to that effect.  I mean he did some serious prison time for this really violent crime so it is not out of the realm that he just wandered off.  Dropping off the radar is what concerns me.  He could potentially pop up later w/ a far worse crime.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 11:09:29 AM
Interesting, yet still rumor........

Found on a yahoo message board:



"My step-daughter goes to an after school daycare with Haleigh Cummings, the girlfriend may have done it but on the other hand, you don't know how messed up a place Putnam County actually is unless you've ever lived there. It's not like Orlando, Tampa, or Miami. It's a rural, backwoods, half-wit H*ll hole infested with toothless perverts & where kids have an average of getting knocked up at 15yrs old. It's possible that Misty did it but it's just as likely someone really did snatch the kid, why is it hard to believe the girlfriend wouldn't wake up? She was probably smoking some weed, was tired after watching 2 kids, & teens are heavy sleepers anyways. If someone besides Misty did something with Haleigh, here's my scenerios:

1. She left the kids there by themselves to go across the street to do something she wasn't supposed to be doing & doesn't want her boyfriend to know about.

2. She had some people that knew her & the house that her boyfriend doesn't know about & they took the kid.

Misty may have done it but I find it more plausible that maybe she was doing some things she wasn't supposed to be doing & doesn't want people to know about that. I don't think she's smart enough to make this kinda thing up & if she accidently killed her, I would see her cracking by now."



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 11:11:48 AM
that picture with the man in black is creepy...
must be a halloween party?
That's what I'm thinking, are both of those guys Misty's cousins?

Yeah he's creepy looking.  One can only hope it's a halloween party. 

The one holding the tootsie pop is Misty's cousin.  On the myspace it says "Young Overstreet".  Not sure who the guy in the background is. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 11:15:05 AM
Annette...agreeing with you about the light being on cause Misty was not home...Not so sure that I think that the perp turned it on for any reason...wish we had edit buttons...

ok.. but thinking about it this way... lets say the perp knows the family and the family knows him < them?> ok?
the perp MAY put the light on so that H sees <him> the perp,, H doesnt scream or get upset as to the perp being there and the perp see's H up and where she is in the house so <he?> can snatch her with out anyone being wokin up or hearing H scream,yell.ect.
know what i'm saying here?? agin.. JMO
this therory also leaves the possibilty that M WAS home and in bed and didnt hear anyhthing and aslo why JR would not HEAR anything at the time H was takin. this therory also leaves it open to the possibility that M WAS NOT there.
you see what i am saying and getting at??
im also thinking that the perp took H when she was in the kitchen-door area. being the light was on and her pink shirt was in the dirty clothes by the door/ so if M was home or not... M nor JR would have heard anything. the perp maybe snatched H by the door..maybe.. JMO.

I think this is a very good theory also Misty could of been passed out on the couch from drugging and not heard a thing.  Again if she was there.  I don't find it unusal at all that she woke up just prior to Ron's arrival, when I was younger my husband worked the 3-11 shift than would arrive at sometime after midnight or later and my internal alarm clock would always go off to get up and greet him.  Or another thought sometimes when you are sleeping you hear stuff in the house and your internal alarm goes off and you wake up, she could of heard subconsiously a floor creak and woke up w/just the thought of going to the bathroom if you know what I mean...the mind works in funny ways when we sleep.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 24, 2009, 11:15:48 AM
does Haleigh go to after school care then? no mention of that before and why would it be necessary if ron and Misty are at home?

I do think that Misty was doing something that she wasn't supposed to be doing.. perhaps even seeing someone else? another guy? she is only 17 ....
I don't think that she harmed Haleigh directly...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 11:16:30 AM
that picture with the man in black is creepy...
must be a halloween party?
That's what I'm thinking, are both of those guys Misty's cousins?

Yeah he's creepy looking.  One can only hope it's a halloween party. 

The one holding the tootsie pop is Misty's cousin.  On the myspace it says "Young Overstreet".  Not sure who the guy in the background is. 


I believe that's Brandon, not sure about the guy in the background either, I think IIRC Brandon has 3 bro's it may be one of them.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 24, 2009, 11:18:21 AM
fatcat...agreed...
except that Ron said that he was surprised to see Misty up/awake when he got home which leads me to think that she would not normally have been awake when he gets home? There are so many ways to look at all of this...my head is spinning!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 11:19:29 AM
Bumping this from last night, with the hope that this guy is right and today is the day that Haleigh is found.......




Dunno how many believe in what psychic's sense.  I've seen hit and miss in several different cases.  I often of take a 'lets wait and see' attitude.  So for what it's worth, here's one psychic's take on this case.  We won't have to wait long to see if what this one senses is spot on or not:

http://bobcaterino.wordpress.com/2009/02/23/haleigh-cummingsmy-psychic-reading/ (http://bobcaterino.wordpress.com/2009/02/23/haleigh-cummingsmy-psychic-reading/)

"The day this child went missing I saw that something was not lining up. I see the child as alive. The father, Ronald Cummings was working at the time the child was missing. His live in girlfriend of 17 was in charge of the children.

The girlfriend would sneak out once again in the name of fun, and always come home before the Childs father would. She knows the routine so well and has done this before. Earlier that morning, the seventeen year old has a relative over. He stole something from the home and the small childs father would discover it missing. They argued and the relative would walk away angry only to wait until the father would go to work. He was heading towards the home where he hid in the shadows and the seventeen year old was spotted leaving the home.

The relative would head over to the home still angry and found the door unlocked. He went in and sought revenge. He took the child and simply drove away. They were spotted in Knoxville but will be found on Tuesday Feb. 24th, ten miles before Nashville in a small community. The relative is trying to sell the child.

When we place our children in the hands of children, sometimes it’s as if we just don’t care but other times it is what we have to do. The seventeen year old girl living with the Father of these small children will be charged with obstruction. She will say that she is sorry but she just didn’t want her man to find out that she left the home. The girl will be found and all will get what is coming to them."




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 11:25:43 AM
does Haleigh go to after school care then? no mention of that before and why would it be necessary if ron and Misty are at home?

I do think that Misty was doing something that she wasn't supposed to be doing.. perhaps even seeing someone else? another guy? she is only 17 ....
I don't think that she harmed Haleigh directly...

I haven't heard that before either, that Haleigh went to an after school program.  If she did, how the heck did she get home afterwards?  Seems that Misty didn't drive.  There's SO much that we haven't heard in this case.  Took some time to even find out that Ron supposedly met her school bus and brought her home before he went to work.  On the hand, we also heard that her gma met the school bus.  Lord only knows what is the truth in this case!   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Scandi on February 24, 2009, 11:26:23 AM
I wish this Chad Eugene Reynolds SO that is still missing would turn up.  He really bothers me since his former crime is so similar to this one.  I now that I heard he worked at Longhorn steak house and they were all black uniforms and that's what he was wearing when he disappeared it bothers me, but what are the odds.  It would be an impossibility unless there was some link to this neighborhood for him.


Hi Fatcatlurker,  First, I apologise for my Christmas Avitar but will fix it as soon as I find a new one.   ::MonkeyConfused::

I belong to another forum where the step mother of Chad Reynolds has been posting.  On the last night he was seen he wore a white shirt.  I'll read thru her posts, but I believe that was the last day he worked when he didn't wear the black shirt.

I came here on a mission because I know there are some very talented people here with computers.

A poster who seems quite sophisticated with equipment has taken a good look at the 911 call.  When she does something to the recording she can hear other things being said that one would not pick up on just listening to the call.

One thing she has said is at one point she thinks Mist puts her hand on the receiver and she can hear her and Ron whispering to each other.  There are several other things too.  One thing was hearing Ron tell her the lock was sideways.

I apologize if you guys have already studied this, but I had this little brain fart tonight and am hoping someone can pull some 'Criminal Minds' CSI work on the 911 call. 

I just think a monkey can do it! ::MonkeyDance::

Hello Scandi!  I actually lurk and post on that particular webblog also.  And I believe the stepmother said this white tshirt was on under the black uniform top.  I think it would be way to much of a 1 in a million for it to be Chad Reynolds anyway.  This poor guy has probably either done something to himself, had some retribution done to him, or just decided to drop off everyone's radar....

I wish we could hear everything in the background of the 911 I think it would clear up a lot of questions for everyone in regards to what was going on and what Misty & Ron are hiding, maybe just drugs, but it would be nice to know. 


Good Morning Fatcatlurker and Everyone,

I agree with you about Chad that he is most likely not involved.  For one thing, he hasn't been seen nor heard from since Feb 1st after the Superbowl game.  I think Haleigh vanished on the 10th and I think there was too much time inbetween for him to have done this.

When we first learned about him the thought among posters aand what locals posters thought was that he had met his maker.  We shall see, but it seems odd.  He never picked up his paycheck at work.  If he wanted to disappear one would think he'd at least wait till payday, right?  xox


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 24, 2009, 11:28:02 AM
Wyks...if only that would truly happen!
I am no psychic but I feel that she is alive...
Keep the faith everyone ..miracles happen every day..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 11:33:20 AM
If you want to light a candle for Haleigh, just go to the site below, click on an unlit candle and follow directions:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=halei (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=halei)

 ::MonkeyDance::




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 11:38:37 AM
Wyks...if only that would truly happen!
I am no psychic but I feel that she is alive...
Keep the faith everyone ..miracles happen every day..

I agree cookie, miracles do happen every day.  We can only hope and pray that Haleigh is still alive and unharmed, and that she will be returned home safely.  It can happen. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 11:44:14 AM

An interesting site, comments even more interesting:

http://www.florida-cracker.org/archives/004565.html (http://www.florida-cracker.org/archives/004565.html)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 11:44:44 AM
I also find it to be interesting that they are still holding this guy and they define home zone as 75 feet from perimeter of the property line: 


Timothy Randolph Loucakis, 50, was charged with violating the terms of his probation after officials said he was not home at 10 p.m. Wednesday night, which violated his curfew.

"We know where he was, by GPS, and we do have a team going down to that area just to do a preliminary search of that area," Hardy said Thursday afternoon.


Hardy said Loucakis was interviewed two hours after Haleigh was reported missing early the morning of Feb. 10. Deputies searched his home and checked his GPS monitoring bracelet, which showed he had not left his "home zone" during the time Haleigh disappeared.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 11:47:59 AM
Ronald Cummings repeatedly said someone took his daughter, and according to the police report. he said, "when I find him, I'll kill him." Investigators said Cummings mentioned he had a 9 mm Beretta inside his home, and he said whomever had his child, he would "shoot them through the back window of the patrol car."

So did they ever find this gun, I thought it was found in a ditch days later, but was this prior to the night Haleigh disappeared or after because Ron sure thought it was in his house that night?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: theboyzmom on February 24, 2009, 11:48:20 AM
Island...I can totally understand a 17 yr old wanting to get out of the house for awhile...someone says, oh just come out and have a few beers with us, it will be alright...yadda yadda...
No excuse to leave children alone in my eyes either...still she is a child herself and I would be pretty sure that she would have never considered the horrible things that could happen if she had left them...

I have no doubt that she left on some nights - did she leave this night? I have no clue. I know many people that live in trailer parks and it is not uncommon to go to the neighbors - especially if you are sitting outside - when the kids are asleep.I know I go outside when my kids are asleep - I do not go far, but we own 2.5 acres so I may go out to the back yard to sit or enjoy the night air. Of course I am also not out of site of the house and live in a country area where I know basically everyone and would hear a car pulling up or see someone out of the ordinary. And my kids are, except the baby, older. So I don't know. But she is also a kid - in know kids that have no problem leaving their own kids alone when they are asleep. I rented a room from a lady when I was younger and I would come home from work at 2 or 3 in the morning and her 4 y.o would be home alone when she went a few miles to get ciggies. not right but just saying . . .I am sure if they are not your own kids and you are young it would not seem strange to leave them at all.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Scandi on February 24, 2009, 11:48:42 AM
Wyks...if only that would truly happen!
I am no psychic but I feel that she is alive...
Keep the faith everyone ..miracles happen every day..

Thanks for that uplifting thought Cookie.  The article from FirstCoastNews on the 17th entitled 'Deputies Back in Haleigh's Neighborhood' was so positive to read this morning here, a couple of pages back {pp 25 I think}.

HOPE, we all have to keep our hopes alive that Haleigh is still alive and being kept by someone who is feeding her and treating her well. 

The article gave me such a feeling for Haleigh and her personality thru the eyes of her neighbor, bright and adorable.  xox


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Scandi on February 24, 2009, 11:53:34 AM
Ronald Cummings repeatedly said someone took his daughter, and according to the police report. he said, "when I find him, I'll kill him." Investigators said Cummings mentioned he had a 9 mm Beretta inside his home, and he said whomever had his child, he would "shoot them through the back window of the patrol car."

So did they ever find this gun, I thought it was found in a ditch days later, but was this prior to the night Haleigh disappeared or after because Ron sure thought it was in his house that night?

Hi again ;}  I thought the gun found in the ditch was the one supposedly stolen by one of Misty's cousins - was that Joe?  And thought I had also read Ron had 2 guns.  I haven't read much about that tho.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 24, 2009, 12:06:44 PM
Interesting, yet still rumor........

Found on a yahoo message board:



"My step-daughter goes to an after school daycare with Haleigh Cummings, the girlfriend may have done it but on the other hand, you don't know how messed up a place Putnam County actually is unless you've ever lived there. It's not like Orlando, Tampa, or Miami. It's a rural, backwoods, half-wit H*ll hole infested with toothless perverts & where kids have an average of getting knocked up at 15yrs old. It's possible that Misty did it but it's just as likely someone really did snatch the kid, why is it hard to believe the girlfriend wouldn't wake up? She was probably smoking some weed, was tired after watching 2 kids, & teens are heavy sleepers anyways. If someone besides Misty did something with Haleigh, here's my scenerios:

1. She left the kids there by themselves to go across the street to do something she wasn't supposed to be doing & doesn't want her boyfriend to know about.

2. She had some people that knew her & the house that her boyfriend doesn't know about & they took the kid.

Misty may have done it but I find it more plausible that maybe she was doing some things she wasn't supposed to be doing & doesn't want people to know about that. I don't think she's smart enough to make this kinda thing up & if she accidently killed her, I would see her cracking by now."


Oh my, sure isn't helping the tourism trade, with those comments. ::MonkeyRoll:: And frankly the area that I was born and raised in Wisconsin, there was quite a bit of poorer less educated people mixed in, but by these comments it sure sounds like the whole area is like that, which I find hard to believe. I'm really lost on this case, I just don't see an intruder, and hopefully there will some resolution soon.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Scandi on February 24, 2009, 12:21:59 PM
Interesting, yet still rumor........

Found on a yahoo message board:



"My step-daughter goes to an after school daycare with Haleigh Cummings, the girlfriend may have done it but on the other hand, you don't know how messed up a place Putnam County actually is unless you've ever lived there. It's not like Orlando, Tampa, or Miami. It's a rural, backwoods, half-wit H*ll hole infested with toothless perverts & where kids have an average of getting knocked up at 15yrs old. It's possible that Misty did it but it's just as likely someone really did snatch the kid, why is it hard to believe the girlfriend wouldn't wake up? She was probably smoking some weed, was tired after watching 2 kids, & teens are heavy sleepers anyways. If someone besides Misty did something with Haleigh, here's my scenerios:

1. She left the kids there by themselves to go across the street to do something she wasn't supposed to be doing & doesn't want her boyfriend to know about.

2. She had some people that knew her & the house that her boyfriend doesn't know about & they took the kid.

Misty may have done it but I find it more plausible that maybe she was doing some things she wasn't supposed to be doing & doesn't want people to know about that. I don't think she's smart enough to make this kinda thing up & if she accidently killed her, I would see her cracking by now."


Oh my, sure isn't helping the tourism trade, with those comments. ::MonkeyRoll:: And frankly the area that I was born and raised in Wisconsin, there was quite a bit of poorer less educated people mixed in, but by these comments it sure sounds like the whole area is like that, which I find hard to believe. I'm really lost on this case, I just don't see an intruder, and hopefully there will some resolution soon.


Hi No RCG ;}

I also have a hard time seeing the perp as a stranger, as a SO or someone who hasn't made the SO list yet.  Pedo perps don't work that way from what I learned in Madeleine's case.  They are opportunistic, see a child in the right situation then lure and grab them.  If the child dies, they don't even try to hide the body or bury it, and simply leave it somewhere by a road or in the trees.  It seems family members are ones who hide a body so it will not be found to tell the truth about what happened.

To go into a home and snatch a child is risky and not necessary for these sexual predators from what I've read.  So then that means it would have to be someone who knew the family and was very familiar with their lifestyle and the house itself.  That is what Pat Brown said on I believe a NG show a week into the case.]

Either that or she met with an accident in the home IMO, and the cover up started with the 911 call.

Off to work but will stop back tonight.  xox


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 12:25:10 PM

My comp won't open this particular pdf link.  Someone over at InSessions has translated it, as follows.  Am wondering if someone who can open the link can confirm this is what it says? 


http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf (http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf)


"2005

Court gave Shared parental responsibility to Ron and Crystal.

2006

Crystal; chronic victim of domestic violence. Intimidated by Ronald

Ron used history of control and intimidation to manipulate testimony and effectively silence Crystal. Ron reputed to be a known drug dealer in the community. His chosen lifestyle in illegal business pose risk to the children. Ron is a known abuser who has threatened violence against others besides Crystal. Ron has a history of abusing others besides Crystal including those within his own family. Ron is alleged to have threatened to kill Crystal and others that attract his ill temper.

Witnesses have issued police reports against Ron have stated they are fearful of retribution. Ron does not take care of the children and leaves them with other family members. Ron has threatened to leave town with the children.

Habitually Ron has driven recklessly and endangered the lives of both the children and Crystal. Ron has had several severe wrecks and is a threat to himself and others. Ron is reputed to have wrecked his truck while high on coke and the children were with him.

If this matter and underlying and undisclosed issues are not addressed now then it’s only a matter of time before additional significant incidents occur that will demand the court’s attention.

July 2005 Ron failed to keep control and allowed Haleigh to wander off. The Mother found her floating face down in the canal behind the house. Crystal rescued and revived Haleigh.

This court has been manipulated into letting Ron Cummings have temporary custody of the children, both of whom may be considered toddlers, even though Ronald Cummings has demonstrated his inability and disinterest in caring for the children.

Ron still lives in the house by the canal and has made no effort to fence or otherwise prevent two toddlers from venturing into the canal or being at risk of alligator attack.

Since leaving Ronald Cummings, Crystal Sheffield has acquired driving skills, owns a car, now owns a residence, has succeeded in borrowing a mortgage in her own name, found employment, and is involved in a successful and loving relationship with another man.

Johnny Sheffield has witnessed Ron Cummings drive with the children while under the influence of alcohol. Witnessed him using Rx and drink at the same time as on Xanax and Loratabs. States he has observed Ron using illegal drugs. Ron has a history of violence and sell illegal drugs and illegally sell Rx pills that were not prescribed to him.

Ron has threatened retribution up to and including killing those who offend him. Because of this others and his family members are afraid of him. Witnessed Ron using and selling cocaine. Until Crystal left him he showed no interest in the children. Johnny has observed Ron and Crystal arguing and observed bruises on Crystal consistent with physical abuse.

Ron has left his children with his other family members who are also drug users and who’s habits have placed the children at risk. Over the phone Johnny has heard Ron encourage Haleigh to “drink a beer“, chase a wh@re, “roll a blunt”. Ron has denied the infant Jr. a bottle when he was six months old and before he had teeth."



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 24, 2009, 12:30:50 PM
Wyks I can't open it either, but what I just read, whether it is true or not, who knows? I just feel Ron has something to do with this, felt it from the beginning and have not lost the feeling.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 24, 2009, 12:34:38 PM
quote; July 2005 Ron failed to keep control and allowed Haleigh to wander off. The Mother found her floating face down in the canal behind the house. Crystal rescued and revived Haleigh.

This court has been manipulated into letting Ron Cummings have temporary custody of the children, both of whom may be considered toddlers, even though Ronald Cummings has demonstrated his inability and disinterest in caring for the children.

Ron still lives in the house by the canal and has made no effort to fence or otherwise prevent two toddlers from venturing into the canal or being at risk of alligator attack.


well, we know this is not true since his land lady said that he recently lived next to her in a smaller home and is now living in the larger mobile home since November....the near drowning event if it did happen would have been in 2005 when ron and crystal were still together allegedly...so is either more at fault if indeed Haleigh did wander away?
indeed, everyone in that mobile home park would be in danger of alligator attacks as well, have they fenced anything in, if the writer is speaking of this same area....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 12:40:06 PM

My comp won't open this particular pdf link.  Someone over at InSessions has translated it, as follows.  Am wondering if someone who can open the link can confirm this is what it says? 


http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf (http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf)


"2005

Court gave Shared parental responsibility to Ron and Crystal.

2006

Crystal; chronic victim of domestic violence. Intimidated by Ronald

Ron used history of control and intimidation to manipulate testimony and effectively silence Crystal. Ron reputed to be a known drug dealer in the community. His chosen lifestyle in illegal business pose risk to the children. Ron is a known abuser who has threatened violence against others besides Crystal. Ron has a history of abusing others besides Crystal including those within his own family. Ron is alleged to have threatened to kill Crystal and others that attract his ill temper.

Witnesses have issued police reports against Ron have stated they are fearful of retribution. Ron does not take care of the children and leaves them with other family members. Ron has threatened to leave town with the children.

Habitually Ron has driven recklessly and endangered the lives of both the children and Crystal. Ron has had several severe wrecks and is a threat to himself and others. Ron is reputed to have wrecked his truck while high on coke and the children were with him.

If this matter and underlying and undisclosed issues are not addressed now then it’s only a matter of time before additional significant incidents occur that will demand the court’s attention.

July 2005 Ron failed to keep control and allowed Haleigh to wander off. The Mother found her floating face down in the canal behind the house. Crystal rescued and revived Haleigh.

This court has been manipulated into letting Ron Cummings have temporary custody of the children, both of whom may be considered toddlers, even though Ronald Cummings has demonstrated his inability and disinterest in caring for the children.

Ron still lives in the house by the canal and has made no effort to fence or otherwise prevent two toddlers from venturing into the canal or being at risk of alligator attack.

Since leaving Ronald Cummings, Crystal Sheffield has acquired driving skills, owns a car, now owns a residence, has succeeded in borrowing a mortgage in her own name, found employment, and is involved in a successful and loving relationship with another man.

Johnny Sheffield has witnessed Ron Cummings drive with the children while under the influence of alcohol. Witnessed him using Rx and drink at the same time as on Xanax and Loratabs. States he has observed Ron using illegal drugs. Ron has a history of violence and sell illegal drugs and illegally sell Rx pills that were not prescribed to him.

Ron has threatened retribution up to and including killing those who offend him. Because of this others and his family members are afraid of him. Witnessed Ron using and selling cocaine. Until Crystal left him he showed no interest in the children. Johnny has observed Ron and Crystal arguing and observed bruises on Crystal consistent with physical abuse.

Ron has left his children with his other family members who are also drug users and who’s habits have placed the children at risk. Over the phone Johnny has heard Ron encourage Haleigh to “drink a beer“, chase a wh@re, “roll a blunt”. Ron has denied the infant Jr. a bottle when he was six months old and before he had teeth."



Adobe Acrobat Reader opens the file.  Free at http://www.adobe.com/products/reader/

Yes this basically states what Crystal says about Ron and the signed affadavit from her father.

Good Find this was not attached to the custody report earlier or could not be opened for some reason.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 12:40:23 PM
Wyks I can't open it either, but what I just read, whether it is true or not, who knows? I just feel Ron has something to do with this, felt it from the beginning and have not lost the feeling.

I hear ya, no rose!  Seems just when I've decided that one particular person has something to do with this, one of the others does or says something that makes me go hmmmm.  Could it be that all of em are involved?   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 12:43:28 PM
quote; July 2005 Ron failed to keep control and allowed Haleigh to wander off. The Mother found her floating face down in the canal behind the house. Crystal rescued and revived Haleigh.

This court has been manipulated into letting Ron Cummings have temporary custody of the children, both of whom may be considered toddlers, even though Ronald Cummings has demonstrated his inability and disinterest in caring for the children.

Ron still lives in the house by the canal and has made no effort to fence or otherwise prevent two toddlers from venturing into the canal or being at risk of alligator attack.


well, we know this is not true since his land lady said that he recently lived next to her in a smaller home and is now living in the larger mobile home since November....the near drowning event if it did happen would have been in 2005 when ron and crystal were still together allegedly...so is either more at fault if indeed Haleigh did wander away?
indeed, everyone in that mobile home park would be in danger of alligator attacks as well, have they fenced anything in, if the writer is speaking of this same area....

Good points made, cookie!   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 12:45:40 PM
Again it is very interesting that she stated all this along w/her father and still the court choose to give the children to Ron.  I can only think her record is worse or we are missing some document where she relinquished custody to him: just decided not to persue it any longer.  I mean I know others are going to say well the whole domestic abuse thing, however if she had the balls to carry it this far, why not continue....makes me wonder what is up w/her.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 12:47:34 PM

My comp won't open this particular pdf link.  Someone over at InSessions has translated it, as follows.  Am wondering if someone who can open the link can confirm this is what it says? 


http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf (http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf)


"2005

Court gave Shared parental responsibility to Ron and Crystal.

2006

Crystal; chronic victim of domestic violence. Intimidated by Ronald

Ron used history of control and intimidation to manipulate testimony and effectively silence Crystal. Ron reputed to be a known drug dealer in the community. His chosen lifestyle in illegal business pose risk to the children. Ron is a known abuser who has threatened violence against others besides Crystal. Ron has a history of abusing others besides Crystal including those within his own family. Ron is alleged to have threatened to kill Crystal and others that attract his ill temper.

Witnesses have issued police reports against Ron have stated they are fearful of retribution. Ron does not take care of the children and leaves them with other family members. Ron has threatened to leave town with the children.

Habitually Ron has driven recklessly and endangered the lives of both the children and Crystal. Ron has had several severe wrecks and is a threat to himself and others. Ron is reputed to have wrecked his truck while high on coke and the children were with him.

If this matter and underlying and undisclosed issues are not addressed now then it’s only a matter of time before additional significant incidents occur that will demand the court’s attention.

July 2005 Ron failed to keep control and allowed Haleigh to wander off. The Mother found her floating face down in the canal behind the house. Crystal rescued and revived Haleigh.

This court has been manipulated into letting Ron Cummings have temporary custody of the children, both of whom may be considered toddlers, even though Ronald Cummings has demonstrated his inability and disinterest in caring for the children.

Ron still lives in the house by the canal and has made no effort to fence or otherwise prevent two toddlers from venturing into the canal or being at risk of alligator attack.

Since leaving Ronald Cummings, Crystal Sheffield has acquired driving skills, owns a car, now owns a residence, has succeeded in borrowing a mortgage in her own name, found employment, and is involved in a successful and loving relationship with another man.

Johnny Sheffield has witnessed Ron Cummings drive with the children while under the influence of alcohol. Witnessed him using Rx and drink at the same time as on Xanax and Loratabs. States he has observed Ron using illegal drugs. Ron has a history of violence and sell illegal drugs and illegally sell Rx pills that were not prescribed to him.

Ron has threatened retribution up to and including killing those who offend him. Because of this others and his family members are afraid of him. Witnessed Ron using and selling cocaine. Until Crystal left him he showed no interest in the children. Johnny has observed Ron and Crystal arguing and observed bruises on Crystal consistent with physical abuse.

Ron has left his children with his other family members who are also drug users and who’s habits have placed the children at risk. Over the phone Johnny has heard Ron encourage Haleigh to “drink a beer“, chase a wh@re, “roll a blunt”. Ron has denied the infant Jr. a bottle when he was six months old and before he had teeth."



Adobe Acrobat Reader opens the file.  Free at http://www.adobe.com/products/reader/

Yes this basically states what Crystal says about Ron and the signed affadavit from her father.

Good Find this was not attached to the custody report earlier or could not be opened for some reason.

Thanks fatcatlurker!  I do have adobe reader, it just won't open this for whatever reason.  Am going to the link you gave and update the program, maybe that's the problem. 

And thanks for letting me know what this is and that it's basically saying the same thing.  Didn't realize it was a signed affadavit from Crystal's father, but that makes sense for the way it reads. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 12:53:33 PM
Again it is very interesting that she stated all this along w/her father and still the court choose to give the children to Ron.  I can only think her record is worse or we are missing some document where she relinquished custody to him: just decided not to persue it any longer.  I mean I know others are going to say well the whole domestic abuse thing, however if she had the balls to carry it this far, why not continue....makes me wonder what is up w/her.

Sure seems odd to me as well!  If it's true that Ron is intimidating and that there are others who fear retribution from him as well, that would make it easier to understand if Crystal didn't fight him for the kids.  There are people who say things like 'don't try to fight me for those kids, I will get them and you'll never see em again'... Could be why it seems that Crystal backed down, who knows. 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 01:16:41 PM
Another thing is Crystal is basically stating all hearsay crap imo not to belittle abuse again, but it seems like a easy way to try to regain custody of the children.  And if my father saw bruises on me he would personally kill my husband no questions asked.  If you got the will power and balls to start this type of thing w/a man you say beat you than you would damn well keep on for the sake of your children.  And the 3 yrs later thing leaves a lot of questions in my mind about Crystal I mean at the end of the custody document they leave it open for this women to step up again as the custodial parent and she never does. It even states she has a car, house, and job.  You know we kept saying w/Casey 31 days, well 3 yrs here applies the same to me for Crystal atleast seeking custody or atleast a better parental relationship w/the father and family.

In this day and age there just is no excuse for not making all resources available to yourself.  People in America don't give breaks to others for not to working and supporting theirselves and I don't give breaks to momma's who leave there children with someone they claim to be an abuser.  There are too many public programs out there to help you get your stuff together and the poorer you are the more social services you have available to you.  Or if the programs don't fit you steal your kids and go underground in another place happens all the time.  It seems like half the missing children in the US are custodial disputes.

I'm still mad I have to pay 40 bucks to get my new kitty neutered, if I made less it would of been free.  And why can't I live in CA like Octo Mom and get 8 babies for free while unemployed, no I have to pay 40K plus for just one.  You just gotta cry out and there's probably a program out there for you.  I know I come accross like a hard a@@ but these are just my thoughts on this matter.

I have never once excluded Ron from this, I just don't give the mother a free pass either.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 01:21:35 PM
Ron is definatly the # 1 candidate for this.  So many options for why, where, how, this list is endless.  Between him and Misty anybodies guess could work.  From Accidental Shooting w/gun to abuse.  I just pray it is a dumb SO who is keeping her alive and will eventually let her go, thinking about the alternative is to depressing for me.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 01:26:13 PM
This is interesting, wasn't Jr. b-day last weekend?  Does this mean they have known this story about the man dressed in black since last weekend?  Why would they keep that quiet for a wk?

Investigators are following up a lead provided by the brother of a missing 5-year-old Putnam County girl that a man came into the room where she was sleeping and took her.

Putnam County sheriff’s Capt. Dick Schauland confirmed that officers had received the lead but didn’t provide any details except that the boy gave the report to members of a child protection team. Ronald Cummings Jr., was 3 when he was interviewed the week Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings was reported missing from her Satsuma home.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090224/ARTICLES/902240952/1002?Title=Haleigh-s-brother-Man-took-her-from-bedroom

I'm really beginning to believe they either have no freaking clue or they already do have someone in mind and it's just a matter of time now: again w/out a body.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 01:42:30 PM
quote; July 2005 Ron failed to keep control and allowed Haleigh to wander off. The Mother found her floating face down in the canal behind the house. Crystal rescued and revived Haleigh.

This court has been manipulated into letting Ron Cummings have temporary custody of the children, both of whom may be considered toddlers, even though Ronald Cummings has demonstrated his inability and disinterest in caring for the children.

Ron still lives in the house by the canal and has made no effort to fence or otherwise prevent two toddlers from venturing into the canal or being at risk of alligator attack.


well, we know this is not true since his land lady said that he recently lived next to her in a smaller home and is now living in the larger mobile home since November....the near drowning event if it did happen would have been in 2005 when ron and crystal were still together allegedly...so is either more at fault if indeed Haleigh did wander away?
indeed, everyone in that mobile home park would be in danger of alligator attacks as well, have they fenced anything in, if the writer is speaking of this same area....
\

This is from the 2005 custody hearing, so I believe it's referring to where Ron was living at the time.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 01:46:04 PM
Crystal claiming things against Ron to a reporter or NG etc which cannot be proved, does seem like a bitter ex talking.  However, for her father to have signed an affadavit claiming these things and more, makes it all seem more likely that it all did happen.  IMO anyway.     



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 01:50:14 PM
This is interesting, wasn't Jr. b-day last weekend?  Does this mean they have known this story about the man dressed in black since last weekend?  Why would they keep that quiet for a wk?

Investigators are following up a lead provided by the brother of a missing 5-year-old Putnam County girl that a man came into the room where she was sleeping and took her.

Putnam County sheriff’s Capt. Dick Schauland confirmed that officers had received the lead but didn’t provide any details except that the boy gave the report to members of a child protection team. Ronald Cummings Jr., was 3 when he was interviewed the week Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings was reported missing from her Satsuma home.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090224/ARTICLES/902240952/1002?Title=Haleigh-s-brother-Man-took-her-from-bedroom

I'm really beginning to believe they either have no freaking clue or they already do have someone in mind and it's just a matter of time now: again w/out a body.



From what was reported about it, they had some professionals who work with children talk with Ron Jr.  Maybe it took a week for all that to be worked out and LE to decide what Crystal and family could release to the public about it.  ???  Dunno. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Searching on February 24, 2009, 01:54:52 PM
http://crime.about.com/od/deathrow/ig/Florida-Death-Row-Inmates/Mark-Poole.htm

For those wondering how someone could go in and take her.. this case happened in my county...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 02:00:29 PM

An interesting comment over on InSessions, one that does have me thinking... if only!


"IMO, there is one way little Haleigh may still be alive and that is if some misguided soul took her out of that awful life and ran like the wind with her, in order to give her a good life."



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 02:12:56 PM
http://www.wftv.com/news/18784045/detail.html

Here's a link where someone broke into the home while the family slept and stole stuff.  Wife and child upstairs sleeping and father downstairs on sofa.  It does happen.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 02:15:48 PM
I overlooked this part, from the above translated pdf:

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf


"2005

Court gave Shared parental responsibility to Ron and Crystal.



Soooooo.. how does this fit in with Ron having custody and Crystal having visitation?  Was this an earlier court decision and full custody awarded to Ron later on?   ::MonkeyEek::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 02:16:07 PM
http://crime.about.com/od/deathrow/ig/Florida-Death-Row-Inmates/Mark-Poole.htm

For those wondering how someone could go in and take her.. this case happened in my county...

That is just awful, those poor people.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 02:17:57 PM
I overlooked this part, from the above translated pdf:

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf


"2005

Court gave Shared parental responsibility to Ron and Crystal.



Soooooo.. how does this fit in with Ron having custody and Crystal having visitation?  Was this an earlier court decision and full custody awarded to Ron later on?   ::MonkeyEek::



I saw that too and that is another reason why I dismissed her accusations, how do you dispute a shared custody agreement?  I don't get it at all.  Anyway I'm not gonna continue to rag on Crystal and what I think about her.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 24, 2009, 02:18:15 PM

An interesting comment over on InSessions, one that does have me thinking... if only!


"IMO, there is one way little Haleigh may still be alive and that is if some misguided soul took her out of that awful life and ran like the wind with her, in order to give her a good life."


I resent this as we do not know just what kind of life little Haleigh had with her father and his family,  Let me tell everybody now, I am a single parent myself, I have lived in a mobile home because when I got custody of my children I had no other choice, speculations ran high as I was married to a wealthy man and he did the same thing , tried to lie about me in order to get my children but alas, it did not work.........My sons father did deal in drugs to, but I never had a doubt that he would ever hurt my son never, I divorced him because of it when I found out that it was the reason for most of this family's wealth,   I think someone that said that stupid remark should realize that everybody is not wealthy and cannot live in a huge home or in the subburbs, but that doesnt mean anything when it comes to their children. How about if and when Haleigh is found if you ask her, do you want someone to steel you away from your Father because they think you need a better life.....see what she says!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 24, 2009, 02:22:50 PM

An interesting comment over on InSessions, one that does have me thinking... if only!


"IMO, there is one way little Haleigh may still be alive and that is if some misguided soul took her out of that awful life and ran like the wind with her, in order to give her a good life."


I resent this as we do not know just what kind of life little Haleigh had with her father and his family,  Let me tell everybody now, I am a single parent myself, I have lived in a mobile home because when I got custody of my children I had no other choice, speculations ran high as I was married to a wealthy man and he did the same thing , tried to lie about me in order to get my children but alas, it did not work.........My sons father did deal in drugs to, but I never had a doubt that he would ever hurt my son never, I divorced him because of it when I found out that it was the reason for most of this family's wealth,   I think someone that said that stupid remark should realize that everybody is not wealthy and cannot live in a huge home or in the subburbs, but that doesnt mean anything when it comes to their children. How about if and when Haleigh is found if you ask her, do you want someone to steel you away from your Father because they think you need a better life.....see what she says!

i have to agree hh, from what her teacher said haleigh is a good student and a happy little girl who is a delight to have in the classroom. someone was doing something right.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 02:28:59 PM

An interesting comment over on InSessions, one that does have me thinking... if only!


"IMO, there is one way little Haleigh may still be alive and that is if some misguided soul took her out of that awful life and ran like the wind with her, in order to give her a good life."


I resent this as we do not know just what kind of life little Haleigh had with her father and his family,  Let me tell everybody now, I am a single parent myself, I have lived in a mobile home because when I got custody of my children I had no other choice, speculations ran high as I was married to a wealthy man and he did the same thing , tried to lie about me in order to get my children but alas, it did not work.........My sons father did deal in drugs to, but I never had a doubt that he would ever hurt my son never, I divorced him because of it when I found out that it was the reason for most of this family's wealth,   I think someone that said that stupid remark should realize that everybody is not wealthy and cannot live in a huge home or in the subburbs, but that doesnt mean anything when it comes to their children. How about if and when Haleigh is found if you ask her, do you want someone to steel you away from your Father because they think you need a better life.....see what she says!

i have to agree hh, from what her teacher said haleigh is a good student and a happy little girl who is a delight to have in the classroom. someone was doing something right.

And the memories of thinking my parents were rich when I was little Ha Ha!  I totally agree and plan to retire to nice mobile/trailer park community eventually.  It's again a matter of people putting their feelings into others and assuming it was a bad life cause it's not up to there standards.   I think this person just wants to hold on to their idea of better and most importantly hold on to hope for Haleigh's well being.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 02:33:06 PM
Its interesting that other web blogs are having the same disagreements about Ronald vs Crystal, I think we need to move past it to get to the good stuff, neither are saints and the families are just plain crazy with all there meshing together, SO's, drugs and other issues.  Joe Dirt meets the CRIPS Gang with a little deliverance thrown in.  But I know some people like this so it's not all bad to me.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 24, 2009, 02:35:06 PM

An interesting comment over on InSessions, one that does have me thinking... if only!


"IMO, there is one way little Haleigh may still be alive and that is if some misguided soul took her out of that awful life and ran like the wind with her, in order to give her a good life."


That was a fleeting thought for me, but then why not take the little boy also so he could have a better life?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 02:35:18 PM

Wonder if there is more than one Chad Griffis in Baker County?? 

This Chad Griffis, recently (last Dec.) had a protection order against domestic violence with minor child(ren) brought against him by a Hellen Griffis, which was dismissed. 

Is Crystal's fiance, Chad Griffis, currently married to this Hellen?  If so, could be why he and Crystal aren't married yet! 

Not looking good for Crystal.  IMO 

http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=267382&rn=0&pi=0&ref=search (http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=267382&rn=0&pi=0&ref=search)



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 24, 2009, 02:36:14 PM

An interesting comment over on InSessions, one that does have me thinking... if only!


"IMO, there is one way little Haleigh may still be alive and that is if some misguided soul took her out of that awful life and ran like the wind with her, in order to give her a good life."


I resent this as we do not know just what kind of life little Haleigh had with her father and his family,  Let me tell everybody now, I am a single parent myself, I have lived in a mobile home because when I got custody of my children I had no other choice, speculations ran high as I was married to a wealthy man and he did the same thing , tried to lie about me in order to get my children but alas, it did not work.........My sons father did deal in drugs to, but I never had a doubt that he would ever hurt my son never, I divorced him because of it when I found out that it was the reason for most of this family's wealth,   I think someone that said that stupid remark should realize that everybody is not wealthy and cannot live in a huge home or in the subburbs, but that doesnt mean anything when it comes to their children. How about if and when Haleigh is found if you ask her, do you want someone to steel you away from your Father because they think you need a better life.....see what she says!

i have to agree hh, from what her teacher said haleigh is a good student and a happy little girl who is a delight to have in the classroom. someone was doing something right.

And the memories of thinking my parents were rich when I was little Ha Ha!  I totally agree and plan to retire to nice mobile/trailer park community eventually.  It's again a matter of people putting their feelings into others and assuming it was a bad life cause it's not up to there standards.   I think this person just wants to hold on to their idea of better and most importantly hold on to hope for Haleigh's well being.

ya, i think thats human nature really, but to pretend that abuse and/or neglect doesnt occur in all socioeconomic groups is doing a disservice to the others in their own bracket imo.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 02:39:21 PM

An interesting comment over on InSessions, one that does have me thinking... if only!


"IMO, there is one way little Haleigh may still be alive and that is if some misguided soul took her out of that awful life and ran like the wind with her, in order to give her a good life."


That was a fleeting thought for me, but then why not take the little boy also so he could have a better life?

yeah does not work for me either.  someone random either wanted a girl or inside job.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 02:42:21 PM

Wonder if there is more than one Chad Griffis in Baker County?? 

This Chad Griffis, recently (last Dec.) had a protection order against domestic violence with minor child(ren) brought against him by a Hellen Griffis, which was dismissed. 

Is Crystal's fiance, Chad Griffis, currently married to this Hellen?  If so, could be why he and Crystal aren't married yet! 

Not looking good for Crystal.  IMO 

http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=267382&rn=0&pi=0&ref=search (http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=267382&rn=0&pi=0&ref=search)



ohhh ohhh isn't his middle name vernon?  Omg!  Potential good find, I looked at that angle also, he could easily work for me.  Bedwetting for starters.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 24, 2009, 02:44:38 PM
Its interesting that other web blogs are having the same disagreements about Ronald vs Crystal, I think we need to move past it to get to the good stuff, neither are saints and the families are just plain crazy with all there meshing together, SO's, drugs and other issues.  Joe Dirt meets the CRIPS Gang with a little deliverance thrown in.  But I know some people like this so it's not all bad to me.
Also the Ronald verses Chrystal thing should have been brought out in court if Chrystal was in such dire straights, the truth of the matter to me is this, if chrstal wanted these children so badly or was cheated out of having them then why not take more interest in them, why not call the school and find out about why she was missing so much, why not do something with that beloved picture she was so quick to show Geraldo uh like take it to LE when she first got it? why now bring it out if she was so worried about it? I believe Chrstal was just fine with the way things were, she was with another Man, had another child and was able to go out and party(as the pictures show on her my space) and that is that!  everything is not black and white, and actions speak louder than words, I havent seen any action out of Chrystal before this happened!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Searching on February 24, 2009, 02:45:00 PM
http://crime.about.com/od/deathrow/ig/Florida-Death-Row-Inmates/Mark-Poole.htm

For those wondering how someone could go in and take her.. this case happened in my county...

That is just awful, those poor people.

Yes, so it is possible to do,after all,she slept through her fiance being beaten to death and only awoke when she was attacked. It is very much possible for someone to enter a MH with little to no noise. just saying. so the fact that Misty slept through an intruder taking Haleigh is still a possibility.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 24, 2009, 02:48:04 PM

An interesting comment over on InSessions, one that does have me thinking... if only!


"IMO, there is one way little Haleigh may still be alive and that is if some misguided soul took her out of that awful life and ran like the wind with her, in order to give her a good life."


I resent this as we do not know just what kind of life little Haleigh had with her father and his family,  Let me tell everybody now, I am a single parent myself, I have lived in a mobile home because when I got custody of my children I had no other choice, speculations ran high as I was married to a wealthy man and he did the same thing , tried to lie about me in order to get my children but alas, it did not work.........My sons father did deal in drugs to, but I never had a doubt that he would ever hurt my son never, I divorced him because of it when I found out that it was the reason for most of this family's wealth,   I think someone that said that stupid remark should realize that everybody is not wealthy and cannot live in a huge home or in the subburbs, but that doesnt mean anything when it comes to their children. How about if and when Haleigh is found if you ask her, do you want someone to steel you away from your Father because they think you need a better life.....see what she says!

i have to agree hh, from what her teacher said haleigh is a good student and a happy little girl who is a delight to have in the classroom. someone was doing something right.

And the memories of thinking my parents were rich when I was little Ha Ha!  I totally agree and plan to retire to nice mobile/trailer park community eventually.  It's again a matter of people putting their feelings into others and assuming it was a bad life cause it's not up to there standards.   I think this person just wants to hold on to their idea of better and most importantly hold on to hope for Haleigh's well being.

ya, i think thats human nature really, but to pretend that abuse and/or neglect doesnt occur in all socioeconomic groups is doing a disservice to the others in their own bracket imo.
Exactly, look at the Menendez brothers, they were very wealthy, but uhhhh  all that money didnt help them be upstanding citizens did it, if they had been raised in the south like I was, they would have been busy helping the family out and going fishing and playing music with their father instead of planning a way to kill their parents...........


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 02:48:05 PM

An interesting comment over on InSessions, one that does have me thinking... if only!


"IMO, there is one way little Haleigh may still be alive and that is if some misguided soul took her out of that awful life and ran like the wind with her, in order to give her a good life."


I resent this as we do not know just what kind of life little Haleigh had with her father and his family,  Let me tell everybody now, I am a single parent myself, I have lived in a mobile home because when I got custody of my children I had no other choice, speculations ran high as I was married to a wealthy man and he did the same thing , tried to lie about me in order to get my children but alas, it did not work.........My sons father did deal in drugs to, but I never had a doubt that he would ever hurt my son never, I divorced him because of it when I found out that it was the reason for most of this family's wealth,   I think someone that said that stupid remark should realize that everybody is not wealthy and cannot live in a huge home or in the subburbs, but that doesnt mean anything when it comes to their children. How about if and when Haleigh is found if you ask her, do you want someone to steel you away from your Father because they think you need a better life.....see what she says!

i have to agree hh, from what her teacher said haleigh is a good student and a happy little girl who is a delight to have in the classroom. someone was doing something right.

And the memories of thinking my parents were rich when I was little Ha Ha!  I totally agree and plan to retire to nice mobile/trailer park community eventually.  It's again a matter of people putting their feelings into others and assuming it was a bad life cause it's not up to there standards.   I think this person just wants to hold on to their idea of better and most importantly hold on to hope for Haleigh's well being.

ya, i think thats human nature really, but to pretend that abuse and/or neglect doesnt occur in all socioeconomic groups is doing a disservice to the others in their own bracket imo.

Nope it has no boundries.

Has any one ever read a book called "A child named it" by Dave Pelzer?  Beautiful, amazing 3 book journey about a boy who was singled out by his mother for her special abuses.  She picked this one child for abuse out of her many, it will break your heart.  Great Read about abuse of children and how they grow into adults and their own fears of abusing their own children.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 02:49:09 PM
My rich comment was that tho my parents were poor I saw them as rich when I was little cuz I was loved so much. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Searching on February 24, 2009, 02:49:58 PM

Wonder if there is more than one Chad Griffis in Baker County?? 

This Chad Griffis, recently (last Dec.) had a protection order against domestic violence with minor child(ren) brought against him by a Hellen Griffis, which was dismissed. 

Is Crystal's fiance, Chad Griffis, currently married to this Hellen?  If so, could be why he and Crystal aren't married yet! 

Not looking good for Crystal.  IMO 

http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=267382&rn=0&pi=0&ref=search (http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=267382&rn=0&pi=0&ref=search)


Ha... I vote someone send this to WHOREaldo and to other news networks (NG) etc. See how biased the Whorealdo really is.. He was quick to pin abuse on Kaleighs father,see how quick he comes out with that.. I am guessing he wont,which is why it should go to others as well


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 02:50:05 PM
I think the timing is interesting on Crystal getting charged with Contempt of Court for nonpayment of child support, the day (or day before) Haleigh went missing.  Am sure hoping that LE is looking into that angle as well as all the other angles. 




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 02:55:39 PM
Its interesting that other web blogs are having the same disagreements about Ronald vs Crystal, I think we need to move past it to get to the good stuff, neither are saints and the families are just plain crazy with all there meshing together, SO's, drugs and other issues.  Joe Dirt meets the CRIPS Gang with a little deliverance thrown in.  But I know some people like this so it's not all bad to me.
Also the Ronald verses Chrystal thing should have been brought out in court if Chrystal was in such dire straights, the truth of the matter to me is this, if chrstal wanted these children so badly or was cheated out of having them then why not take more interest in them, why not call the school and find out about why she was missing so much, why not do something with that beloved picture she was so quick to show Geraldo uh like take it to LE when she first got it? why now bring it out if she was so worried about it? I believe Chrstal was just fine with the way things were, she was with another Man, had another child and was able to go out and party(as the pictures show on her my space) and that is that!  everything is not black and white, and actions speak louder than words, I havent seen any action out of Chrystal before this happened!

HH I have stated this till I'm blue in the face. I have seen numerous good posters on this board get disgusted and leave because of this dispute.  If they defended Ron they got heckled.  Atleast that was my take on it.  But it's interesting and good to know that it's not just our blog that this has been a problem on.  I think people who have been abused see Ron and go crazy.  He does not bother me or raise my heckles in that since, but maybe it's cuz I feel like I could take him  tee hee!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Desdemona on February 24, 2009, 03:03:53 PM
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/mostpopular/18751085/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/mostpopular/18751085/detail.html)

Hi, Monkeys following Haleigh's case...

On my way out the door in the Caylee thread, I saw these pics at Orlando Sentinel, showing the tent Ronnie and family have been staying in...

My apologies if you've all already hashed over these, since I don't know when the OS put them up, just wanted to pop in here and post the link... maybe someone here has not had a look at them yet.

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/mostpopular/18751085/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/mostpopular/18751085/detail.html)

Bye, gotta run!  (Sorry for the drive-by post...)



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 03:06:24 PM
My rich comment was that tho my parents were poor I saw them as rich when I was little cuz I was loved so much. 

I understand that totally.  Am thinking the concept comes from the way parents raise their kids, the attitudes taught. 

I raised my three sons alone from the time they were 2, 4, and 6.  We didn't have tons of money, I scrimped and saved (much like other parents), for the things they needed and some of what they wanted.  It wasn't until they became teenagers and the cost of what they wanted got higher, that they realized we were not "rich". 

I had never told them we were poor, never even hinted at that, even tho at the time we were one step from welfare.  When they wanted something real bad, all I had ever told them is 'lets save money for that'.  Sometimes by the time we had the money they didn't want whatever it was anymore.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

When they were teens they decided what they wanted was certain brandname jeans, not something I was gonna run right out and get for them.  They soon realized that meant I didn't have a bottomless checking account.  Reality set in and they learned the meaning of saving money for something they wanted real bad. 

They have all three looked back on those days and told me seperately, that they didn't realize that we weren't "rich".  IMO, the attitude the parent has during their growing years, has much to do with it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 24, 2009, 03:08:24 PM
Its interesting that other web blogs are having the same disagreements about Ronald vs Crystal, I think we need to move past it to get to the good stuff, neither are saints and the families are just plain crazy with all there meshing together, SO's, drugs and other issues.  Joe Dirt meets the CRIPS Gang with a little deliverance thrown in.  But I know some people like this so it's not all bad to me.
Also the Ronald verses Chrystal thing should have been brought out in court if Chrystal was in such dire straights, the truth of the matter to me is this, if chrstal wanted these children so badly or was cheated out of having them then why not take more interest in them, why not call the school and find out about why she was missing so much, why not do something with that beloved picture she was so quick to show Geraldo uh like take it to LE when she first got it? why now bring it out if she was so worried about it? I believe Chrstal was just fine with the way things were, she was with another Man, had another child and was able to go out and party(as the pictures show on her my space) and that is that!  everything is not black and white, and actions speak louder than words, I havent seen any action out of Chrystal before this happened!

HH I have stated this till I'm blue in the face. I have seen numerous good posters on this board get disgusted and leave because of this dispute.  If they defended Ron they got heckled.  Atleast that was my take on it.  But it's interesting and good to know that it's not just our blog that this has been a problem on.  I think people who have been abused see Ron and go crazy.  He does not bother me or raise my heckles in that since, but maybe it's cuz I feel like I could take him  tee hee!
He doesnt bother me either, I have been abused also, but I have 5 brothers and I am from the south and from Florida, born and raised, and I can tell you right now, he sounds just like what my brothers would sound like if they came home and a child was gone. It doesnt mean a thing just because he cussed and swore, thats just how it is, thats just how he is, But I havent heard any one really say he was abusive, Chrystal said, he kicked her in the head, pushed her, well where are the pictures of her with bruises and stuff, nope havent seen any, Havent seen any on Mistie eiother for that matter,   sometimes people are all talk and no action...........


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: osucowboy on February 24, 2009, 03:12:02 PM
http://www.myspace.com/crystalsheffield

Maybe Crystal didn't have custody of her children because she didn't want it that much.  Her myspace has very little about Haleigh compared to her new daughter.  She calls the kids brats and has lots of pics of herself drunk or drugged.  At the same time I believe her when she talks about Ronald.  When someone admits drug use at the same time they are accusing someone else of it I believe them. 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 03:16:05 PM

Wonder if there is more than one Chad Griffis in Baker County?? 

This Chad Griffis, recently (last Dec.) had a protection order against domestic violence with minor child(ren) brought against him by a Hellen Griffis, which was dismissed. 

Is Crystal's fiance, Chad Griffis, currently married to this Hellen?  If so, could be why he and Crystal aren't married yet! 

Not looking good for Crystal.  IMO 

http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=267382&rn=0&pi=0&ref=search (http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=267382&rn=0&pi=0&ref=search)


Ha... I vote someone send this to WHOREaldo and to other news networks (NG) etc. See how biased the Whorealdo really is.. He was quick to pin abuse on Kaleighs father,see how quick he comes out with that.. I am guessing he wont,which is why it should go to others as well


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Sure might level the playing field! 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 03:18:57 PM
http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html

I want to put this video here because at the very end they are asked if Ron's work alibi was true and they state that yes it was.  He was at work.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 03:19:48 PM
http://www.myspace.com/crystalsheffield

Maybe Crystal didn't have custody of her children because she didn't want it that much.  Her myspace has very little about Haleigh compared to her new daughter.  She calls the kids brats and has lots of pics of herself drunk or drugged.  At the same time I believe her when she talks about Ronald.  When someone admits drug use at the same time they are accusing someone else of it I believe them. 



Ah yes, those are good points, osucowboy!  I've heard that Crystal allowed Ron to have the kids cuz he had a job and she didn't at the time, and that he had health insurance for the kids and she didn't. 

Her myspace seems to me that she has made a new life for herself and is moving on, with baby and fiance.  Could just seem that way and not true, dunno, it's just my take on it. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 03:29:46 PM
http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html

I want to put this video here because at the very end they are asked if Ron's work alibi was true and they state that yes it was.  He was at work.

That was one of my first questions when we heard about this case, so am glad that his work does say he was there. 

Since then I've wondered tho.. Was he at work the entire shift?  Could someone have covered for him while he left for awhile then came back?  Was he late, did he leave early?  Have heard that it takes Ron about 20+ minutes to drive each way between home and work. 

All three of my sons are night shift workers, one works a shift similiar to Ron's.  3 pm to 3 am, 4 days on, 3 days off.  That son took a coworker home one time when a family member went to the hospital, then went back to work.  He told me that the floor manager said he could that, but his boss didn't know he had been gone for that hour. 

Sooooo.. it can happen.  And I'm wondering if it did in Ron's case. 
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 03:30:16 PM
http://bakercountypress.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1375&Itemid=79

I knew it middle initial for Chad is V  vVVVVVVVV. that does it for me!  This is baby Chloe's birth announcement. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 03:31:31 PM
http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html

I want to put this video here because at the very end they are asked if Ron's work alibi was true and they state that yes it was.  He was at work.

That was one of my first questions when we heard about this case, so am glad that his work does say he was there. 

Since then I've wondered tho.. Was he at work the entire shift?  Could someone have covered for him while he left for awhile then came back?  Was he late, did he leave early?  Have heard that it takes Ron about 20+ minutes to drive each way between home and work. 

All three of my sons are night shift workers, one works a shift similiar to Ron's.  3 pm to 3 am, 4 days on, 3 days off.  That son took a coworker home one time when a family member went to the hospital, then went back to work.  He told me that the floor manager said he could that, but his boss didn't know he had been gone for that hour. 

Sooooo.. it can happen.  And I'm wondering if it did in Ron's case. 
 

All we can go by here is that LE did there job and did it well..Sorry.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 03:32:48 PM
http://bakercountypress.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1375&Itemid=79

I knew it middle initial for Chad is V  vVVVVVVVV. that does it for me!  This is baby Chloe's birth announcement. 

And guess what she joins not 2 siblings but 4 hmmmm  hinky meter goin up by the minute here!  You found the golden egg wkys!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 03:36:57 PM
Chad V. Griffis things that make you go hmmm

http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=267382&rn=0&pi=0&ref=search

http://bakercountypress.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1375&Itemid=79


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 03:39:18 PM
From another blog on Chad's middle initial being V for Vernon

Born on April 15

Crystal D. (Sheffield) and Chad V. Griffis of Sanderson are pleased to announce the birth of daughter C**** E******** on April 15, 2008 at Shands of Jacksonville. She weighed 6 lbs., 6 oz. and was 18½ inches long.

C**** joins brothers C**** and R***** Jr. and sisters HaLeigh and M*****. Proud grandparents are Bruce and Marie Griffis of Sanderson and Marty and Connie Sheffield of Georgetown, Fla.

~~~
Huh? Who is Marty Sheffield?

Anyway, confirmation that Chad is the Chad Vernon Griffis.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 24, 2009, 03:39:22 PM
Chad V. Griffis things that make you go hmmm

http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=267382&rn=0&pi=0&ref=search

http://bakercountypress.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1375&Itemid=79

not to mention le just reinterviewed him again. oh to be a fly on the wall. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 03:42:38 PM
And by my calculations court order is 9months from birth of baby Chloe.  Ok from one abuser to another.  I think it's all bull, but that's just me.  Seems like this may be the easier way of gettin what you want down there.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 03:43:45 PM
Chad V. Griffis things that make you go hmmm

http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=267382&rn=0&pi=0&ref=search

http://bakercountypress.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1375&Itemid=79

not to mention le just reinterviewed him again. oh to be a fly on the wall. ::MonkeyWink::

I would luv that.  This is sure gonna blow some minds around here when it comes out everywhere.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 03:45:42 PM

Good lord, the Florida courts are sure kept busy with Ron's, Crystal's, and Misty's families, old and young alike.... Here we have Ron's sister, Crystal:


http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=41732 (http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=41732)



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 03:46:18 PM
Ok so I'd say he's got motive;  Child support for two on both sides, that's probably atleast 600.00 a month if not more!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 03:47:59 PM

Good lord, the Florida courts are sure kept busy with Ron's, Crystal's, and Misty's families, old and young alike.... Here we have Ron's sister, Crystal:


http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=41732 (http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=41732)



Luv the "oh crap, I'm so busted" look in her eyes!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 03:49:30 PM
Wyks you are a gem and I can't help but smile everytime I see your avitar!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 24, 2009, 03:51:02 PM
Alright, I have to get off here before my husband comes home and I have my own domestic issues to worry about!  BBL


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: eMBee on February 24, 2009, 03:54:31 PM

Good lord, the Florida courts are sure kept busy with Ron's, Crystal's, and Misty's families, old and young alike.... Here we have Ron's sister, Crystal:


http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=41732 (http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=41732)



Luv the "oh crap, I'm so busted" look in her eyes!
Pardon me for being rude here, but this is two rather odd choices for hairstyles. I've never seen either of her hairdos on a white woman. And now I know why.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 03:54:53 PM
http://bakercountypress.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1375&Itemid=79

I knew it middle initial for Chad is V  vVVVVVVVV. that does it for me!  This is baby Chloe's birth announcement. 

Thanks for tracking that down, fatcatlurker!  Isn't Chloe a cutie! 

And thanks for clarifying at the same time that Chad V. Griffis is the same as in that protection order. 

Sooooo.. According to Chloe's birth certificate, Haleigh has 2 brothers (Ronald Jr. and Chase) and 2 sisters (Chloe and Morgan).   Seems that Chase and Morgan are Chad's other children.  Not to forget Ron's other child Jordan, and possibly another one Alynn (sp?).  That's a lot of kiddos! 
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 03:58:38 PM
http://bakercountypress.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1375&Itemid=79

I knew it middle initial for Chad is V  vVVVVVVVV. that does it for me!  This is baby Chloe's birth announcement. 

And guess what she joins not 2 siblings but 4 hmmmm  hinky meter goin up by the minute here!  You found the golden egg wkys!

Thanks!  We've got good team effort in here!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 24, 2009, 04:01:56 PM

Good lord, the Florida courts are sure kept busy with Ron's, Crystal's, and Misty's families, old and young alike.... Here we have Ron's sister, Crystal:


http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=41732 (http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=41732)


This is really confusing, so the bottom line I guess is they all have some kind of criminal record, so no one is squeaky clean and all are still being looked at by LE. I'm confused about this Chad fiance of bio mom, so domestic abuse there also? Does anybody think he might have had a hand in this, I don't, but again who knows, but what would be the reasoning behind him taking Haleigh. Don't mean to be rude, but what's up with Ron's sisters hairstyle in that mugshot?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 04:02:08 PM
From another blog on Chad's middle initial being V for Vernon

Born on April 15

Crystal D. (Sheffield) and Chad V. Griffis of Sanderson are pleased to announce the birth of daughter C**** E******** on April 15, 2008 at Shands of Jacksonville. She weighed 6 lbs., 6 oz. and was 18½ inches long.

C**** joins brothers C**** and R***** Jr. and sisters HaLeigh and M*****. Proud grandparents are Bruce and Marie Griffis of Sanderson and Marty and Connie Sheffield of Georgetown, Fla.

~~~
Huh? Who is Marty Sheffield?

Anyway, confirmation that Chad is the Chad Vernon Griffis.


Hmmm... Heck if I know! 

Crystal's father is Johnny Marcus Sheffield.  Connie is her stepmother.  So maybe Marty is the nickname for her father?   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 04:03:43 PM
Ok so I'd say he's got motive;  Child support for two on both sides, that's probably atleast 600.00 a month if not more!

I'd say it's d@mn good motive! 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 24, 2009, 04:03:45 PM
http://bakercountypress.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1375&Itemid=79

I knew it middle initial for Chad is V  vVVVVVVVV. that does it for me!  This is baby Chloe's birth announcement. 

Thanks for tracking that down, fatcatlurker!  Isn't Chloe a cutie! 

And thanks for clarifying at the same time that Chad V. Griffis is the same as in that protection order. 

Sooooo.. According to Chloe's birth certificate, Haleigh has 2 brothers (Ronald Jr. and Chase) and 2 sisters (Chloe and Morgan).   Seems that Chase and Morgan are Chad's other children.  Not to forget Ron's other child Jordan, and possibly another one Alynn (sp?).  That's a lot of kiddos! 
 
Okay I knew about Ron's child Jordan, but I must have missed the other child, and who is the mother of this child?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 04:04:16 PM

Good lord, the Florida courts are sure kept busy with Ron's, Crystal's, and Misty's families, old and young alike.... Here we have Ron's sister, Crystal:


http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=41732 (http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=41732)



Luv the "oh crap, I'm so busted" look in her eyes!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 04:06:23 PM
Wyks you are a gem and I can't help but smile everytime I see your avitar!

Awwwww... thanks!  One thing I seem to have an abundance of is bananas, if anyone wants one.  lol   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 04:10:52 PM

Good lord, the Florida courts are sure kept busy with Ron's, Crystal's, and Misty's families, old and young alike.... Here we have Ron's sister, Crystal:


http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=41732 (http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=41732)



Luv the "oh crap, I'm so busted" look in her eyes!
Pardon me for being rude here, but this is two rather odd choices for hairstyles. I've never seen either of her hairdos on a white woman. And now I know why.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Oh please tell us!   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 24, 2009, 04:11:40 PM
I would love for someone to explain that hairdo of Ron's sister.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 24, 2009, 04:14:05 PM
Ok so I'd say he's got motive;  Child support for two on both sides, that's probably atleast 600.00 a month if not more!

I'd say it's d@mn good motive! 

But why take only one child, and why Haleigh and not Ron Jr? Granted having to help pay for five children is difficult, but I just don't see this happening, but certainly could be wrong like usual.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: GramaMonkey on February 24, 2009, 04:14:43 PM
http://bakercountypress.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1375&Itemid=79

I knew it middle initial for Chad is V  vVVVVVVVV. that does it for me!  This is baby Chloe's birth announcement. 

Thanks for tracking that down, fatcatlurker!  Isn't Chloe a cutie! 

And thanks for clarifying at the same time that Chad V. Griffis is the same as in that protection order. 

Sooooo.. According to Chloe's birth certificate, Haleigh has 2 brothers (Ronald Jr. and Chase) and 2 sisters (Chloe and Morgan).   Seems that Chase and Morgan are Chad's other children.  Not to forget Ron's other child Jordan, and possibly another one Alynn (sp?).  That's a lot of kiddos! 
 
Okay I knew about Ron's child Jordan, but I must have missed the other child, and who is the mother of this child?

Is Amber's child of Ron's included in the head count???

(http://i544.photobucket.com/albums/hh340/JustMe_029/AmberBaby.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 04:17:08 PM

Good lord, the Florida courts are sure kept busy with Ron's, Crystal's, and Misty's families, old and young alike.... Here we have Ron's sister, Crystal:


http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=41732 (http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=41732)


This is really confusing, so the bottom line I guess is they all have some kind of criminal record, so no one is squeaky clean and all are still being looked at by LE. I'm confused about this Chad fiance of bio mom, so domestic abuse there also? Does anybody think he might have had a hand in this, I don't, but again who knows, but what would be the reasoning behind him taking Haleigh. Don't mean to be rude, but what's up with Ron's sisters hairstyle in that mugshot?

Yeppers, earlier today we found a restraining order for violence against children, (if I'm reading it right) against Chad V Griffis, fiance of bio mom Crystal.  Seems he's still married to a Hellen Griffis, and has two kids with her, one with Crystal. 

Ever since I first saw Chad G. on one of those interviews, my hinky meter went skyhigh.  Dunno what it is, but that has been my feeling.  In fact am thinking that it's down to Misty or Chad (or both together?) as being the top two for LE to be looking at.  It's one reason I've been trying to dig for info on Misty and on Chad G. 

And ermmm I have NO idea what is with Ron's sister and her hairstyles.. yikes!   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Anna on February 24, 2009, 04:19:53 PM
Does anyone know who is supposed to have heard Haleigh's brother say that the man dressed all in black took his sister?  Has he also told this to LE?




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 04:23:04 PM
http://bakercountypress.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1375&Itemid=79

I knew it middle initial for Chad is V  vVVVVVVVV. that does it for me!  This is baby Chloe's birth announcement. 

Thanks for tracking that down, fatcatlurker!  Isn't Chloe a cutie! 

And thanks for clarifying at the same time that Chad V. Griffis is the same as in that protection order. 

Sooooo.. According to Chloe's birth certificate, Haleigh has 2 brothers (Ronald Jr. and Chase) and 2 sisters (Chloe and Morgan).   Seems that Chase and Morgan are Chad's other children.  Not to forget Ron's other child Jordan, and possibly another one Alynn (sp?).  That's a lot of kiddos! 
 
Okay I knew about Ron's child Jordan, but I must have missed the other child, and who is the mother of this child?

This one I don't know much about.  So far...  ::MonkeyHaHa::  I heard someone interviewing Ron (still trying to remember who!  am thinking I saw it reported on NG or JVM?), who asked him about another child, and he said the name.  It wasn't Jordan!!!  It was something like Alynn ??  (sp?)  He didn't even mention Jordan.  And at the same time they asked the Cummings pastor about Ron's having another child, but he kind of hemmed and hawed, didn't know, etc.    Sure wish I could find that interview again!! 
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 24, 2009, 04:30:14 PM
Well doesn't Chad live with Crystal hours away? So I'm sure LE checked to see if he was there and not in Satsuma, unless of course he hired someone to kidnap Haleigh.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 04:30:43 PM
Ok so I'd say he's got motive;  Child support for two on both sides, that's probably atleast 600.00 a month if not more!

I'd say it's d@mn good motive! 

But why take only one child, and why Haleigh and not Ron Jr? Granted having to help pay for five children is difficult, but I just don't see this happening, but certainly could be wrong like usual.

I've sure wondered that too, no rose!  Doesn't make sense, does it! 

Only thing I can think of, besides abduction by a stranger, is that perhaps Crystal and hers might be trying to show Ron/Misty as being irresponsible so that she/Chad can get custody of both Haleigh and Ron Jr.  Only way for this to be possibly proved out is if Haleigh shows up unharmed at some point, and Crystal sues for sole custody because of her disappearance. 

Am guessing that Crystal having custody of both Haleigh and Ron Jr. would be less exp. than having to pay future child support?  Course she will still owe past child support no matter what happens down the road.  Wonder if Chad G. will try for custody of his own kids?   His, hers, ours.  No child support.  ::MonkeyConfused::

IMO 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 04:32:44 PM
http://bakercountypress.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1375&Itemid=79

I knew it middle initial for Chad is V  vVVVVVVVV. that does it for me!  This is baby Chloe's birth announcement. 

Thanks for tracking that down, fatcatlurker!  Isn't Chloe a cutie! 

And thanks for clarifying at the same time that Chad V. Griffis is the same as in that protection order. 

Sooooo.. According to Chloe's birth certificate, Haleigh has 2 brothers (Ronald Jr. and Chase) and 2 sisters (Chloe and Morgan).   Seems that Chase and Morgan are Chad's other children.  Not to forget Ron's other child Jordan, and possibly another one Alynn (sp?).  That's a lot of kiddos! 
 
Okay I knew about Ron's child Jordan, but I must have missed the other child, and who is the mother of this child?

Is Amber's child of Ron's included in the head count???

(http://i544.photobucket.com/albums/hh340/JustMe_029/AmberBaby.jpg)

Yep, Amber is Jordan's mama, and that's him.  She "looks" like a nice girl.  IMO 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 24, 2009, 04:38:38 PM
Does anyone know who is supposed to have heard Haleigh's brother say that the man dressed all in black took his sister?  Has he also told this to LE?



He said it to his mother, and I believe child experts with the LE has spoken to him also.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 04:39:42 PM
Does anyone know who is supposed to have heard Haleigh's brother say that the man dressed all in black took his sister?  Has he also told this to LE?


That's a real good question, Anna! 

I've heard it reported two different ways.  One, that Ron Jr. told Crystal, his mama.  And one, that he told his maternal gma or great gma.  Could be that they were both there when Ron Jr. supposedly said that.  Supposedly Ron Jr. offered this info up without being questioned first by his mama or gma/greatgma, or questioned afterward.

And then it supposedly was reported to LE. 

What I'm wondering is why it seems Ron Jr. did not offer this info up to either Ron or Misty?  Isn't that odd? 

And I dunno, if it were me that Jr. had said this info to, I'd be verrrrry tempted to ask him what else he may have seen/heard. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: GramaMonkey on February 24, 2009, 04:50:34 PM
Does anyone know who is supposed to have heard Haleigh's brother say that the man dressed all in black took his sister?  Has he also told this to LE?


That's a real good question, Anna! 

I've heard it reported two different ways.  One, that Ron Jr. told Crystal, his mama.  And one, that he told his maternal gma or great gma.  Could be that they were both there when Ron Jr. supposedly said that.  Supposedly Ron Jr. offered this info up without being questioned first by his mama or gma/greatgma, or questioned afterward.

And then it supposedly was reported to LE. 

What I'm wondering is why it seems Ron Jr. did not offer this info up to either Ron or Misty?  Isn't that odd? 

And I dunno, if it were me that Jr. had said this info to, I'd be verrrrry tempted to ask him what else he may have seen/heard. 


Your comment about asking Ronald Jr. about what he said about who took his sissy.  I think I would have also furthered the discussion.  However, I watched a video of NG speaking to Haleigh's mom about this and the mom said that she did not question him on his comments.  NG said that was good.  Possibly since he is so young, was best to wait for the LE to speak to him.  Don't know exactly what NG meant, as she did not further that statement. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 04:53:37 PM

Wonder if there is more than one Chad Griffis in Baker County?? 

This Chad Griffis, recently (last Dec.) had a protection order against domestic violence with minor child(ren) brought against him by a Hellen Griffis, which was dismissed. 

Is Crystal's fiance, Chad Griffis, currently married to this Hellen?  If so, could be why he and Crystal aren't married yet! 

Not looking good for Crystal.  IMO 

http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=267382&rn=0&pi=0&ref=search (http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=267382&rn=0&pi=0&ref=search)



ohhh ohhh isn't his middle name vernon?  Omg!  Potential good find, I looked at that angle also, he could easily work for me.  Bedwetting for starters.



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    GRIFFIS HELLEN R GRIFFIS CHAD V 12/05/2008 ORDER BAKER 200800007948 0/0 1
    Description: Case# 06000362DR 
    GRIFFIS CHAD V GRIFFIS HELEN R 12/22/2006 FINAL JUDGMENT BAKER 200600010458 0/0 2
    Description: Case# 06000231DR 
    GRIFFIS, CHAD STEVEN SEXTON, JENNIFER LYNNE 01/25/2008 MARRIAGE LICENSE CLAY 2008003998 2985/1581 1
    Description: Case# 2008-266528-ML 
    STATE OF FLORIDA GRIFFIS CHAD STEVEN 12/27/2004 LIEN - PUBLIC DEFENDER MARION 2004190089 3908/370 1
    Description: MARION 
    STATE OF FLORIDA GRIFFIS CHAD STEVEN 11/28/2005 RELEASE - PUBLIC DEFENDER MARION 2005210862 4254/769 1
    Description: RE 3908-370 


Here are the only records I could access o Chad Griffis.........he had a marriage license last yr............is this the same one??


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 04:54:07 PM
Well doesn't Chad live with Crystal hours away? So I'm sure LE checked to see if he was there and not in Satsuma, unless of course he hired someone to kidnap Haleigh.

Yeah he does, something like 2 hours or so away?  Wish LE would clue us in on more of what they've done, what they may know, if anything.  Seems they are holding everything close to the vest.  Could they know what happened and are just letting the rope out bit by bit so someone will hang themselves with it?  LE in other places have been known to do this, so that the 'real suspect' will relax thinking LE isn't looking at him/her. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 24, 2009, 04:57:58 PM
Well doesn't Chad live with Crystal hours away? So I'm sure LE checked to see if he was there and not in Satsuma, unless of course he hired someone to kidnap Haleigh.

Yeah he does, something like 2 hours or so away?  Wish LE would clue us in on more of what they've done, what they may know, if anything.  Seems they are holding everything close to the vest.  Could they know what happened and are just letting the rope out bit by bit so someone will hang themselves with it?  LE in other places have been known to do this, so that the 'real suspect' will relax thinking LE isn't looking at him/her. 

I sure hope that is what is going on, I'd hate to think that LE has no clue and the investigation is botched up.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 05:07:27 PM
Does anyone know who is supposed to have heard Haleigh's brother say that the man dressed all in black took his sister?  Has he also told this to LE?


That's a real good question, Anna! 

I've heard it reported two different ways.  One, that Ron Jr. told Crystal, his mama.  And one, that he told his maternal gma or great gma.  Could be that they were both there when Ron Jr. supposedly said that.  Supposedly Ron Jr. offered this info up without being questioned first by his mama or gma/greatgma, or questioned afterward.

And then it supposedly was reported to LE. 

What I'm wondering is why it seems Ron Jr. did not offer this info up to either Ron or Misty?  Isn't that odd? 

And I dunno, if it were me that Jr. had said this info to, I'd be verrrrry tempted to ask him what else he may have seen/heard. 


Your comment about asking Ronald Jr. about what he said about who took his sissy.  I think I would have also furthered the discussion.  However, I watched a video of NG speaking to Haleigh's mom about this and the mom said that she did not question him on his comments.  NG said that was good.  Possibly since he is so young, was best to wait for the LE to speak to him.  Don't know exactly what NG meant, as she did not further that statement. 

Well yeah, it is best to let the child experts talk with a young child, rather than having LE rake them over the coals, etc.  Am just thinking like a mom, I'd be tempted to question my own child further.  Not sure if I would or not, knowing that it's not the best idea in the world.  I sure would do so rather than allowing LE to rake the child over the coals. 

Children can and have said things in situations, without being questioned.  Such as that little boy who said his 'mama was in the rug', or something like that.  Turned out she was taken out wrapped in something. 

I guess it's best to put the child with child experts, put him/her on hidden camera and mic, and let the authorities hear later what the child says about a situation.  Better than mom or dad telling LE later what the child said, cuz who knows if they really did or not. 

My youngest son talks in his sleep.  He has said things, to which I said, oh?  And then what happened?  And he would tell me.   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Had to quit doing that cuz it just seemed... wrong somehow, to get info that way.  Funny, but wrong.  lol


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 05:12:35 PM

Wonder if there is more than one Chad Griffis in Baker County?? 

This Chad Griffis, recently (last Dec.) had a protection order against domestic violence with minor child(ren) brought against him by a Hellen Griffis, which was dismissed. 

Is Crystal's fiance, Chad Griffis, currently married to this Hellen?  If so, could be why he and Crystal aren't married yet! 

Not looking good for Crystal.  IMO 

http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=267382&rn=0&pi=0&ref=search (http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=267382&rn=0&pi=0&ref=search)



ohhh ohhh isn't his middle name vernon?  Omg!  Potential good find, I looked at that angle also, he could easily work for me.  Bedwetting for starters.



The number of Pages are estimated for documents where the Pages value is marked with *.
Order  From To Date Document Type County Instrument Number Book/Page Pages
    GRIFFIS HELLEN R GRIFFIS CHAD V 12/05/2008 ORDER BAKER 200800007948 0/0 1
    Description: Case# 06000362DR 
    GRIFFIS CHAD V GRIFFIS HELEN R 12/22/2006 FINAL JUDGMENT BAKER 200600010458 0/0 2
    Description: Case# 06000231DR 
    GRIFFIS, CHAD STEVEN SEXTON, JENNIFER LYNNE 01/25/2008 MARRIAGE LICENSE CLAY 2008003998 2985/1581 1
    Description: Case# 2008-266528-ML 
    STATE OF FLORIDA GRIFFIS CHAD STEVEN 12/27/2004 LIEN - PUBLIC DEFENDER MARION 2004190089 3908/370 1
    Description: MARION 
    STATE OF FLORIDA GRIFFIS CHAD STEVEN 11/28/2005 RELEASE - PUBLIC DEFENDER MARION 2005210862 4254/769 1
    Description: RE 3908-370 


Here are the only records I could access o Chad Griffis.........he had a marriage license last yr............is this the same one??

 ::MonkeyEek::

Interesting that there's a Chad Steven Griffis!  Dunno who he is. 

The Chad who is Crystal's fiance is the Chad V. Griffis.  The V. evidently stands for Vernon. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 05:20:56 PM
Well doesn't Chad live with Crystal hours away? So I'm sure LE checked to see if he was there and not in Satsuma, unless of course he hired someone to kidnap Haleigh.

Yeah he does, something like 2 hours or so away?  Wish LE would clue us in on more of what they've done, what they may know, if anything.  Seems they are holding everything close to the vest.  Could they know what happened and are just letting the rope out bit by bit so someone will hang themselves with it?  LE in other places have been known to do this, so that the 'real suspect' will relax thinking LE isn't looking at him/her. 

I sure hope that is what is going on, I'd hate to think that LE has no clue and the investigation is botched up.

Yeah....

Am thinking of the other cases I've followed.  As nosy as I am, I have a lot of respect for LE who keeps things close to the vest.  Even at the same time it IS infuriating not to know what they know.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Could it be that this LE, even tho in FL with all their Sunshine Laws, etc, may have watched the circus that the Anthony case has become and don't want that to happen with this one?? 

Sometimes I wonder if all that LE has shared in the Anthony case could at some point come back to bite them in the @ss. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 24, 2009, 05:22:29 PM
http://www.wesh.com/news/18784308/detail.html

Mother Of Missing Girl Hints At New Lead
Haleigh Cummings' Mother Says Younger Brother May Have Information


POSTED: 12:15 pm EST February 24, 2009
UPDATED: 4:32 pm EST February 24, 2009


PALATKA, Fla. -- The younger brother of a missing Putnam County girl may have provided investigators with a new lead.

Haleigh Cummings, 5, was reported missing from her Palatka home during the early-morning hours of Feb. 10.

During an interview with CNN's Nancy Grace Monday evening, Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, hinted that her 4-year-old son gave authorities a new lead.

"When I’d see him on my visitation, all he said was, 'I wanna find my sissy.' He said something about somebody in black took her," Sheffield said.

Haleigh's paternal grandmother, Teresa Neves, said she questions Sheffield's decision to disclose this information.

"I don't feel like anybody should have said that," Neves said. "We don’t know who has my grandchild. And if that is somebody who would hurt my grandchild, or if you are that person and you feel like he could identify you, what would be your next move then? You know?"

A spokesman for the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said at the beginning of the investigation that Haleigh's brother was interviewed by Child Protective Services.

Capt. Dick Shauland said any leads the brother provided cannot be discussed and are being checked out.

"We have detectives assigned to it. They have been, or are, following up on it," Shauland said. "Could be the piece of information that we need."


The Crimeline reward for Haleigh's safe return is now at $5,000. There is also a $25,500 reward for a tip leading to an arrest.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 05:26:24 PM
Does anyone know who is supposed to have heard Haleigh's brother say that the man dressed all in black took his sister?  Has he also told this to LE?


That's a real good question, Anna! 

I've heard it reported two different ways.  One, that Ron Jr. told Crystal, his mama.  And one, that he told his maternal gma or great gma.  Could be that they were both there when Ron Jr. supposedly said that.  Supposedly Ron Jr. offered this info up without being questioned first by his mama or gma/greatgma, or questioned afterward.

And then it supposedly was reported to LE. 

What I'm wondering is why it seems Ron Jr. did not offer this info up to either Ron or Misty?  Isn't that odd? 

And I dunno, if it were me that Jr. had said this info to, I'd be verrrrry tempted to ask him what else he may have seen/heard. 


Your comment about asking Ronald Jr. about what he said about who took his sissy.  I think I would have also furthered the discussion.  However, I watched a video of NG speaking to Haleigh's mom about this and the mom said that she did not question him on his comments.  NG said that was good.  Possibly since he is so young, was best to wait for the LE to speak to him.  Don't know exactly what NG meant, as she did not further that statement. 

I understand why she didn't question him further...when my son told me what happened to him, I listened and told him I believed him, cried and let the experts that deal with traumatic events for children deal with it, LE told me that was the best route to go because they don't want to "contanimate the child's memory" ::MonkeyTongue:: wow, that's a mouthful.....anyway, even the psychiatrist told me that was the best decision, otherwise whoever they are accusing can say the child was coached. Just thought I'd share that from what happened in my case.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 05:28:00 PM

Good lord, the Florida courts are sure kept busy with Ron's, Crystal's, and Misty's families, old and young alike.... Here we have Ron's sister, Crystal:


http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=41732 (http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=41732)



Luv the "oh crap, I'm so busted" look in her eyes!
Pardon me for being rude here, but this is two rather odd choices for hairstyles. I've never seen either of her hairdos on a white woman. And now I know why.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Oh please tell us!   ::MonkeyHaHa::



uh... oh.. duh on me! 

from the above link:

Name:         CUMMINGS,CRYSTAL GAYNELL
 DOB:          09/10/80
 Booking #:    03031533
 Arrest Date:  05/30/03
 Race:         W
 Sex:          F
 Ethnicity:    N


anyone care to interpret this?   is it saying what i think it's saying?   ::MonkeyEek::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Searching on February 24, 2009, 05:31:17 PM
I have to say, I find this recent bombshell from little Jr to be very suspect. First they say in an interview on t.v they have NOT told him what is going on,just that sister will be home soon and supposedly he has no idea she was abducted,then when certain information starts coming out, he suddenly seen a man in black take his sister and wants to "find" her?  I hope I am making sense to you all. We know by her poly answer she umm embellishes things,so I do find this suspect. If Jr. thinks sissy is just at a sleep over or something,has no idea she was abducted, why would he say *find* her and a man in black took her.. someone has been watching to much t.v and I do not mean Jr.
JMO


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 24, 2009, 05:32:36 PM
Another thing is Crystal is basically stating all hearsay crap imo not to belittle abuse again, but it seems like a easy way to try to regain custody of the children.  And if my father saw bruises on me he would personally kill my husband no questions asked.  If you got the will power and balls to start this type of thing w/a man you say beat you than you would damn well keep on for the sake of your children.  And the 3 yrs later thing leaves a lot of questions in my mind about Crystal I mean at the end of the custody document they leave it open for this women to step up again as the custodial parent and she never does. It even states she has a car, house, and job.  You know we kept saying w/Casey 31 days, well 3 yrs here applies the same to me for Crystal atleast seeking custody or atleast a better parental relationship w/the father and family.

In this day and age there just is no excuse for not making all resources available to yourself.  People in America don't give breaks to others for not to working and supporting theirselves and I don't give breaks to momma's who leave there children with someone they claim to be an abuser.  There are too many public programs out there to help you get your stuff together and the poorer you are the more social services you have available to you.  Or if the programs don't fit you steal your kids and go underground in another place happens all the time.  It seems like half the missing children in the US are custodial disputes.

I'm still mad I have to pay 40 bucks to get my new kitty neutered, if I made less it would of been free.  And why can't I live in CA like Octo Mom and get 8 babies for free while unemployed, no I have to pay 40K plus for just one.  You just gotta cry out and there's probably a program out there for you.  I know I come accross like a hard a@@ but these are just my thoughts on this matter.

I have never once excluded Ron from this, I just don't give the mother a free pass either.

I too think this new "document" is cr@p, completely biased and where the h3ll did it come from? Fox? Whorealdo? IIRC she said she was a no show for court, she said because the papers were sent to the wrong address. Correct me if I am wrong but don't you have to be "served" court hearings? And even if not these are your CHILDREN whom you don't want HIM to have custody of wouldn't it be a PRIORITY to make sure you are in the know?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 24, 2009, 05:36:29 PM

Good lord, the Florida courts are sure kept busy with Ron's, Crystal's, and Misty's families, old and young alike.... Here we have Ron's sister, Crystal:


http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=41732 (http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=41732)



Luv the "oh crap, I'm so busted" look in her eyes!
Pardon me for being rude here, but this is two rather odd choices for hairstyles. I've never seen either of her hairdos on a white woman. And now I know why.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Oh please tell us!   ::MonkeyHaHa::



uh... oh.. duh on me! 

from the above link:

Name:         CUMMINGS,CRYSTAL GAYNELL
 DOB:          09/10/80
 Booking #:    03031533
 Arrest Date:  05/30/03
 Race:         W
 Sex:          F
 Ethnicity:    N


anyone care to interpret this?   is it saying what i think it's saying?   ::MonkeyEek::



does the N mean...

Not applicable?
Not hispanic, asian, etc.?
Native?
Norwegian? 

Am feeling like a dumb monkey on this one!!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Why wouldn't the race and ethnicity be the same? 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 24, 2009, 05:42:04 PM
And one other thing:  of course no "monkeys" looked askance at your opinions 'bout other cases since it appears you are a new poster--unless you've posted in the past under another appelation of course 

I don't know what you mean about "...no 'monkeys' looked askance at your opinions 'bout other cases."

As for other "appelations," I don't have any. I'm new here and have felt very welcomed.
I'm glad you feel welcome. 
What caused you to post (if your care to share)?

I'm not as adept as you are re. "snipping" another posters words (mine in this instance), so I must bow to your experience w/technology relating to forums--esp. a new one.

Whatev. 

...adding to the constant hopes and prayers that Haleigh comes home safe and sound...

Foggy





Wow you and I have so much in common regarding the advent of our posting here. Glad to "meet" you.

Foggy Dew, you said :

"I'd lurked hereabouts for awhile, then I had to post re. the Caylee Anthony missing persons case." [/b]

What a coincidence. I'd lurked here for awhile, then I had to post re. the Haleigh Cummings missing persons case.

So, let's see.... I did the same thing you did regarding posting, yet I fall under your suspicion for doing exactly as you did. (Your word, BTW) Is that irony? Or hypocrisy? Let's just call it a coincidence then.

Foggy Dew, you said:

"I'm not as adept as you are re. "snipping" another posters words (mine in this instance), so I must bow to your experience w/technology relating to forums--esp. a new one."

I merely separated your paragraghs/points so I could respond to each point individually that it seemed you had addressed toward me. My intent was as a courtesy for clarity, not as a nefarious way to mince or alter your words since I pasted them exactly as you wrote them.

As for my experience with technology - thank you, but my hubby would find that hilarious since I'm hardly adept in that arena. . ::MonkeyCool:: I think forums have similar general posting arrangements and this is not my first time posting ever in a forum. I said that I'm new here at this site..... b/c I'm new here. 

Posting is indeed tricky, but not rocket surgery . . ::MonkeyLaugh:: and for me to manage it, it must not be too difficult b/c I'm not the brightest bulb in the knife drawer..... computer techy-wise.  ::MonkeyLaugh:: .  ::MonkeyLaugh::







Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 05:45:22 PM
I have to say, I find this recent bombshell from little Jr to be very suspect. First they say in an interview on t.v they have NOT told him what is going on,just that sister will be home soon and supposedly he has no idea she was abducted,then when certain information starts coming out, he suddenly seen a man in black take his sister and wants to "find" her?  I hope I am making sense to you all. We know by her poly answer she umm embellishes things,so I do find this suspect. If Jr. thinks sissy is just at a sleep over or something,has no idea she was abducted, why would he say *find* her and a man in black took her.. someone has been watching to much t.v and I do not mean Jr.
JMO

I missed it~What did she embellish on her poly..........if it was that it was sent to Washington, I linked the article I found on FBI polygraphs and it indeed states they the results are NOT official until cleared there, just curious what in case I missed it. ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 24, 2009, 05:47:06 PM
quote; July 2005 Ron failed to keep control and allowed Haleigh to wander off. The Mother found her floating face down in the canal behind the house. Crystal rescued and revived Haleigh.

This court has been manipulated into letting Ron Cummings have temporary custody of the children, both of whom may be considered toddlers, even though Ronald Cummings has demonstrated his inability and disinterest in caring for the children.

Ron still lives in the house by the canal and has made no effort to fence or otherwise prevent two toddlers from venturing into the canal or being at risk of alligator attack.


understand, however, wasn't this info just printed over on another forum/blog? which would/could be taken as current rather than from 2005 as to where he now lives as it says ron STILL lives in the house...?

well, we know this is not true since his land lady said that he recently lived next to her in a smaller home and is now living in the larger mobile home since November....the near drowning event if it did happen would have been in 2005 when ron and crystal were still together allegedly...so is either more at fault if indeed Haleigh did wander away?
indeed, everyone in that mobile home park would be in danger of alligator attacks as well, have they fenced anything in, if the writer is speaking of this same area....
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This is from the 2005 custody hearing, so I believe it's referring to where Ron was living at the time.
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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 24, 2009, 05:49:55 PM
messed that up..^^^^^ wish we had edit button...
the post is current correct? so, it appears to me that the poster where this post came from was saying that Ron still lives in the same house......I think it could be taken either way....but the way that I see it, the poster is implying that ron still lives there....?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 05:51:05 PM
quote; July 2005 Ron failed to keep control and allowed Haleigh to wander off. The Mother found her floating face down in the canal behind the house. Crystal rescued and revived Haleigh.

This court has been manipulated into letting Ron Cummings have temporary custody of the children, both of whom may be considered toddlers, even though Ronald Cummings has demonstrated his inability and disinterest in caring for the children.

Ron still lives in the house by the canal and has made no effort to fence or otherwise prevent two toddlers from venturing into the canal or being at risk of alligator attack.


understand, however, wasn't this info just printed over on another forum/blog? which would/could be taken as current rather than from 2005 as to where he now lives as it says ron STILL lives in the house...?

well, we know this is not true since his land lady said that he recently lived next to her in a smaller home and is now living in the larger mobile home since November....the near drowning event if it did happen would have been in 2005 when ron and crystal were still together allegedly...so is either more at fault if indeed Haleigh did wander away?
indeed, everyone in that mobile home park would be in danger of alligator attacks as well, have they fenced anything in, if the writer is speaking of this same area....
\

This is from the 2005 custody hearing, so I believe it's referring to where Ron was living at the time.
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Apparantley, she was supposed to be putting jr in the car seat and Ron was supposed to be watching Haleigh, then after she got jr buckled in, she asked where Haleigh was, they looked and she found her in the canal, which IIRC was near his mother's house and she found her in it face down. At least that is what the documents say......


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 24, 2009, 05:52:05 PM
quote; July 2005 Ron failed to keep control and allowed Haleigh to wander off. The Mother found her floating face down in the canal behind the house. Crystal rescued and revived Haleigh.

This court has been manipulated into letting Ron Cummings have temporary custody of the children, both of whom may be considered toddlers, even though Ronald Cummings has demonstrated his inability and disinterest in caring for the children.

Ron still lives in the house by the canal and has made no effort to fence or otherwise prevent two toddlers from venturing into the canal or being at risk of alligator attack.



well, we know this is not true since his land lady said that he recently lived next to her in a smaller home and is now living in the larger mobile home since November....the near drowning event if it did happen would have been in 2005 when ron and crystal were still together allegedly...so is either more at fault if indeed Haleigh did wander away?
indeed, everyone in that mobile home park would be in danger of alligator attacks as well, have they fenced anything in, if the writer is speaking of this same area....
\

This is from the 2005 custody hearing, so I believe it's referring to where Ron was living at the time.
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understand, however, wasn't this info just printed over on another forum/blog? which would/could be taken as current rather than from 2005 as to where he now lives as it says ron STILL lives in the house...?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 24, 2009, 05:53:05 PM
OK  Im gonna jump in her and get my feet wet but I have something to say and so,   
 
  First Im sure Ronald has indeed had some run ins with the Law and I dont doubt for a minute that he has a temper and that he might have shoved Chrystal around and even Misty too for that matter, also I think Chrystal probably had something to do with getting him rilled up some of the time, two young kids like they were there's no telling what the reasons were for the fights, but I bet she contributed in her own way.   Now after saying that, I also think that with Ronalds Mother working at the court house, he did get cut some slack on everything he did which didnt help him learn a lot from his mistakes but, I just do not see him as a child murderer or as a person that would abuse a child in any way, the teachers that they talked to about Haleigh all say she was well behaved and very happy and always smillin, none of them mentioned any bruises or any thing unusual about her! Also seeing as how she was a sickely child it has been checked into that she has went for regular checkups since coming to live with Ronald, where it has been shown that while living with Chrystal she had missed alot of Dr. Appointments, so Ill give him that, he cared enough to take her and make sure she was staying healthy.

   I believe that it is Mistie that is lying if anybody is, I dont think she has both oars in the water, if you know what I mean, and yea she acts like she is scared of Ronald, but I would be too if I might have done something and His daughter is gone because of it, I agree with one thing though, This was done by someone that knew this families routine, and probably someone that is either a relative or has associations with them, I think all this mud throwing that is coming down is being done so by Chrystals family because they are still upset that Ronald  had the kids and she didnt, I can just see the anger and I dont doubt everything that they are saying, I just think that now is not the time to throw all this out there, it is taking the focus off Haleigh and that should be were it is right now, not on what was done in the past, if they have all this proof of this and that, then they should have taken all that to a lawyer and went back to court! 

    All I'm saying is this, two wrongs dont make a right and throwing stones at each other isnt gonna make a difference right now, Ronald must have checked out enough at the moment to satisfy LE, for he is still right there and fake crying or real crying his focus is on wanting Haleigh back and if he did something in his past that has caused all this then when and if that comes out, and it will, that will be the time to tell all, and He will have to deal with it..........Right Now, its all about Haleigh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I totally agree with you HH, I think if Ron did it all it was a true accident or a quick fit and done swiftly, but that still leaves me with the mystery of the disposal and all that.  He loved that little girl from everything I've seen also.  And I think LE is having a tough time with all the characters here and why not keep them out of the trailer until they find her or get lawyered up and complain if they are not back in that trailer. This way it will still be in pristine crime evidence state for that time.  I think Ron knows that also and that is why he is not protesting. 

I agree that Ron loves Haleigh and is devastated by what has happened.

I also agree that the ever expanding cast of people, extended family members, non-family members, etc is increasing the already extraordinary challenges for LE.

I'm stumped on the trailer part.






Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 06:00:49 PM
quote; July 2005 Ron failed to keep control and allowed Haleigh to wander off. The Mother found her floating face down in the canal behind the house. Crystal rescued and revived Haleigh.

This court has been manipulated into letting Ron Cummings have temporary custody of the children, both of whom may be considered toddlers, even though Ronald Cummings has demonstrated his inability and disinterest in caring for the children.

Ron still lives in the house by the canal and has made no effort to fence or otherwise prevent two toddlers from venturing into the canal or being at risk of alligator attack.



well, we know this is not true since his land lady said that he recently lived next to her in a smaller home and is now living in the larger mobile home since November....the near drowning event if it did happen would have been in 2005 when ron and crystal were still together allegedly...so is either more at fault if indeed Haleigh did wander away?
indeed, everyone in that mobile home park would be in danger of alligator attacks as well, have they fenced anything in, if the writer is speaking of this same area....
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This is from the 2005 custody hearing, so I believe it's referring to where Ron was living at the time.
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understand, however, wasn't this info just printed over on another forum/blog? which would/could be taken as current rather than from 2005 as to where he now lives as it says ron STILL lives in the house...?


I assume the poster from the other forum was wrong, I saw the info on the court documents, I never trust anything from another blog without checking it out myself....that incident happened when "butterbean " was a baby, he has now moved to the trailer park, I don't have his physical address from back then, but it's possible it was listed on his arrest reports.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Searching on February 24, 2009, 06:04:14 PM
I have to say, I find this recent bombshell from little Jr to be very suspect. First they say in an interview on t.v they have NOT told him what is going on,just that sister will be home soon and supposedly he has no idea she was abducted,then when certain information starts coming out, he suddenly seen a man in black take his sister and wants to "find" her?  I hope I am making sense to you all. We know by her poly answer she umm embellishes things,so I do find this suspect. If Jr. thinks sissy is just at a sleep over or something,has no idea she was abducted, why would he say *find* her and a man in black took her.. someone has been watching to much t.v and I do not mean Jr.
JMO

I missed it~What did she embellish on her poly..........if it was that it was sent to Washington, I linked the article I found on FBI polygraphs and it indeed states they the results are NOT official until cleared there, just curious what in case I missed it. ::MonkeyEek::

Oh, I missed that posting. That is what I was referring to,but I have not been here much the past couple days as I hurt my nose... embarrassing story..but I missed that post...my apologies...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 24, 2009, 06:10:14 PM

An interesting comment over on InSessions, one that does have me thinking... if only!


"IMO, there is one way little Haleigh may still be alive and that is if some misguided soul took her out of that awful life and ran like the wind with her, in order to give her a good life."




That would be a miarcle. But why would they leave little Jr?



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 06:12:31 PM
I have to say, I find this recent bombshell from little Jr to be very suspect. First they say in an interview on t.v they have NOT told him what is going on,just that sister will be home soon and supposedly he has no idea she was abducted,then when certain information starts coming out, he suddenly seen a man in black take his sister and wants to "find" her?  I hope I am making sense to you all. We know by her poly answer she umm embellishes things,so I do find this suspect. If Jr. thinks sissy is just at a sleep over or something,has no idea she was abducted, why would he say *find* her and a man in black took her.. someone has been watching to much t.v and I do not mean Jr.
JMO

I missed it~What did she embellish on her poly..........if it was that it was sent to Washington, I linked the article I found on FBI polygraphs and it indeed states they the results are NOT official until cleared there, just curious what in case I missed it. ::MonkeyEek::

Oh, I missed that posting. That is what I was referring to,but I have not been here much the past couple days as I hurt my nose... embarrassing story..but I missed that post...my apologies...

It was right after her comment on NG about the polygraph, which I felt she was very honest in answering~someone mentioned they KNEW she was lying because Polyraphs aren't sent to Washington, another person mentioned maybe it was due to the fact it was an FBI polygraph..so, I googled a bit and found some info about FBI Polygraphs......indeed it did say that results aren't official until sent to Washington, I'll have to read back and grab it for you-but it was around 8-9pm last night when I posted it. Well, I'm off to baseball practice......BBL


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 24, 2009, 06:16:16 PM

An interesting comment over on InSessions, one that does have me thinking... if only!


"IMO, there is one way little Haleigh may still be alive and that is if some misguided soul took her out of that awful life and ran like the wind with her, in order to give her a good life."


I resent this as we do not know just what kind of life little Haleigh had with her father and his family,  Let me tell everybody now, I am a single parent myself, I have lived in a mobile home because when I got custody of my children I had no other choice, speculations ran high as I was married to a wealthy man and he did the same thing , tried to lie about me in order to get my children but alas, it did not work.........My sons father did deal in drugs to, but I never had a doubt that he would ever hurt my son never, I divorced him because of it when I found out that it was the reason for most of this family's wealth,   I think someone that said that stupid remark should realize that everybody is not wealthy and cannot live in a huge home or in the subburbs, but that doesnt mean anything when it comes to their children. How about if and when Haleigh is found if you ask her, do you want someone to steel you away from your Father because they think you need a better life.....see what she says!


I see your point, Higherhopes, but the person who wrote in blue did say "some misguided soul." I read it as a wishful way of trying to remain optimisitic that Haleigh could still be alive and devising some scenario in which that might be possible.







Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 06:20:11 PM
 ::MonkeyEek::  FYI~ I printed out the entire cutody hearing from work and one the second page of the 54 page document, the court adresses that this IS a RE-HEARING...........exactly worded this way:

The court previously held a hearing, had entered a report and recommendation. We received a written notification from the mother that the address was incorrect. THAT MOTION HAD MERIT. So we are here to re-hear the matter.  ::MonkeyShocked:: 

I guess the court acknowledged the address was wrong from the original hearing or they wouldn't have had to even have a RE-HEARING.......Ok, after I read it all,  I will post any relevant info. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 24, 2009, 06:30:44 PM

Good lord, the Florida courts are sure kept busy with Ron's, Crystal's, and Misty's families, old and young alike.... Here we have Ron's sister, Crystal:


http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=41732 (http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=41732)



Luv the "oh crap, I'm so busted" look in her eyes!
Pardon me for being rude here, but this is two rather odd choices for hairstyles. I've never seen either of her hairdos on a white woman. And now I know why.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Oh please tell us!   ::MonkeyHaHa::



uh... oh.. duh on me! 

from the above link:

Name:         CUMMINGS,CRYSTAL GAYNELL
 DOB:          09/10/80
 Booking #:    03031533
 Arrest Date:  05/30/03
 Race:         W
 Sex:          F
 Ethnicity:    N


anyone care to interpret this?   is it saying what i think it's saying?   ::MonkeyEek::


I wish someone would interpret this, because I have no idea.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 24, 2009, 06:32:09 PM

ABANDONED HOUSE

They were "searching in an area off of Hwy 309" and [they] (someone?) "came upon an old abandoned house that was boarded up ... about 20 minutes away.. southwest from the area" and "Crystal was taken by LE to the abandoned house"


 http://www.clipsyndicate.com/publish/video/845635/haleigh_s_family_speaks (http://www.clipsyndicate.com/publish/video/845635/haleigh_s_family_speaks)







Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: BluesyGram on February 24, 2009, 06:32:24 PM

Good lord, the Florida courts are sure kept busy with Ron's, Crystal's, and Misty's families, old and young alike.... Here we have Ron's sister, Crystal:


http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=41732 (http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=41732)



Luv the "oh crap, I'm so busted" look in her eyes!
Pardon me for being rude here, but this is two rather odd choices for hairstyles. I've never seen either of her hairdos on a white woman. And now I know why.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Oh please tell us!   ::MonkeyHaHa::



uh... oh.. duh on me! 

from the above link:

Name:         CUMMINGS,CRYSTAL GAYNELL
 DOB:          09/10/80
 Booking #:    03031533
 Arrest Date:  05/30/03
 Race:         W
 Sex:          F
 Ethnicity:    N


anyone care to interpret this?   is it saying what i think it's saying?   ::MonkeyEek::


I wish someone would interpret this, because I have no idea.



Maybe N for none?



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 24, 2009, 06:35:09 PM


No Rose Colored Glasses, I'm thinking that  the "N" under ethnicity is for "Not reported" ...as in unspecified?





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: TxLady2 on February 24, 2009, 06:40:45 PM
http://www.myspace.com/crystalsheffield

Maybe Crystal didn't have custody of her children because she didn't want it that much.  Her myspace has very little about Haleigh compared to her new daughter.  She calls the kids brats and has lots of pics of herself drunk or drugged.  At the same time I believe her when she talks about Ronald.  When someone admits drug use at the same time they are accusing someone else of it I believe them. 



Ah yes, those are good points, osucowboy!  I've heard that Crystal allowed Ron to have the kids cuz he had a job and she didn't at the time, and that he had health insurance for the kids and she didn't. 

Her myspace seems to me that she has made a new life for herself and is moving on, with baby and fiance.  Could just seem that way and not true, dunno, it's just my take on it. 


I agree with both of you. I could be wrong, and sometimes am, but Crystal comes across as more sincere to me for some reason. Ron reminds me of quite a lot of young men I've come across in my lifetime... they swagger, curse, and try to act tough, but put them up beside a real man and they aren't so tough. His words and his body language tells me he has a quick temper. I don't know if he has a habit of hitting women or kids... but I would not be surprised.
Crystal was upfront about her past drug use, Ron was not, in fact he denied it to Geraldo that he had even been arrested. That tells me a lot. He might not be the worst of the whole bunch, but I don't trust a guy who slings f-words around and threatens to shoot someone through the window of a patrol car. Or calls his little juvie g/f a  stupid f#$%-ing b@$%#. Does that sound like a loving guy to anyone else? Doesn't to me. I wonder what this pastor of his who has been on t.v. touting his good qualities thinks about all those curse words and horrible names he throws around.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 24, 2009, 06:42:11 PM
"N" is sometimes used in ped psych forms as "Not Reported" so I was just taking a guess as far as what N for ethnicity is. Or it could be "none" as BluesyGram said.

Journal of Pediatric Psychology

http://jpepsy.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/32/10/1179/T1 (http://jpepsy.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/32/10/1179/T1)





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cecilita on February 24, 2009, 06:44:23 PM
last week a old man was found living with a little girl in his truck...somebody knows who is the girl?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 24, 2009, 06:47:03 PM
http://www.myspace.com/crystalsheffield

Maybe Crystal didn't have custody of her children because she didn't want it that much.  Her myspace has very little about Haleigh compared to her new daughter.  She calls the kids brats and has lots of pics of herself drunk or drugged.  At the same time I believe her when she talks about Ronald.  When someone admits drug use at the same time they are accusing someone else of it I believe them. 



Ah yes, those are good points, osucowboy!  I've heard that Crystal allowed Ron to have the kids cuz he had a job and she didn't at the time, and that he had health insurance for the kids and she didn't. 

Her myspace seems to me that she has made a new life for herself and is moving on, with baby and fiance.  Could just seem that way and not true, dunno, it's just my take on it. 


I agree with both of you. I could be wrong, and sometimes am, but Crystal comes across as more sincere to me for some reason. Ron reminds me of quite a lot of young men I've come across in my lifetime... they swagger, curse, and try to act tough, but put them up beside a real man and they aren't so tough. His words and his body language tells me he has a quick temper. I don't know if he has a habit of hitting women or kids... but I would not be surprised.
Crystal was upfront about her past drug use, Ron was not, in fact he denied it to Geraldo that he had even been arrested. That tells me a lot. He might not be the worst of the whole bunch, but I don't trust a guy who slings f-words around and threatens to shoot someone through the window of a patrol car. Or calls his little juvie g/f a  stupid f#$%-ing b@$%#. Does that sound like a loving guy to anyone else? Doesn't to me. I wonder what this pastor of his who has been on t.v. touting his good qualities thinks about all those curse words and horrible names he throws around.


Yes..... TxLady2.

Also, with the exchange b/w Geraldo and Ron the other night someone wondered why Ron didn't go off and punch Geraldo.

Maybe it's b/c Ron has a lot of self control and is able to keep a calm lid on his actions, words, and emotions.

Or maybe it's b/c Geraldo is able to punch back.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 24, 2009, 06:51:00 PM
"N" is sometimes used in ped psych forms as "Not Reported" so I was just taking a guess as far as what N for ethnicity is. Or it could be "none" as BluesyGram said.

Journal of Pediatric Psychology

http://jpepsy.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/32/10/1179/T1 (http://jpepsy.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/32/10/1179/T1)




Thanks, and that abandoned house is interesting, I didn't realize it is about 20 minutes away, I was understanding it to be closer to the trailer, and I wonder if Ron was also brought there?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 24, 2009, 06:51:55 PM
last week a old man was found living with a little girl in his truck...somebody knows who is the girl?
Cecilita I have not heard anything about that. ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 24, 2009, 06:56:48 PM
http://www.myspace.com/crystalsheffield

Maybe Crystal didn't have custody of her children because she didn't want it that much.  Her myspace has very little about Haleigh compared to her new daughter.  She calls the kids brats and has lots of pics of herself drunk or drugged.  At the same time I believe her when she talks about Ronald.  When someone admits drug use at the same time they are accusing someone else of it I believe them. 



Ah yes, those are good points, osucowboy!  I've heard that Crystal allowed Ron to have the kids cuz he had a job and she didn't at the time, and that he had health insurance for the kids and she didn't. 

Her myspace seems to me that she has made a new life for herself and is moving on, with baby and fiance.  Could just seem that way and not true, dunno, it's just my take on it. 


I agree with both of you. I could be wrong, and sometimes am, but Crystal comes across as more sincere to me for some reason. Ron reminds me of quite a lot of young men I've come across in my lifetime... they swagger, curse, and try to act tough, but put them up beside a real man and they aren't so tough. His words and his body language tells me he has a quick temper. I don't know if he has a habit of hitting women or kids... but I would not be surprised.
Crystal was upfront about her past drug use, Ron was not, in fact he denied it to Geraldo that he had even been arrested. That tells me a lot. He might not be the worst of the whole bunch, but I don't trust a guy who slings f-words around and threatens to shoot someone through the window of a patrol car. Or calls his little juvie g/f a  stupid f#$%-ing b@$%#. Does that sound like a loving guy to anyone else? Doesn't to me. I wonder what this pastor of his who has been on t.v. touting his good qualities thinks about all those curse words and horrible names he throws around.


Yes..... TxLady2.

Also, with the exchange b/w Geraldo and Ron the other night someone wondered why Ron didn't go off and punch Geraldo.

Maybe it's b/c Ron has a lot of self control and is able to keep a calm lid on his actions, words, and emotions.

Or maybe it's b/c Geraldo is able to punch back.



Or maybe it was because Ronald got blind sighted by this man just turning up at his camp with these accusations when he is morning the loss of his daughter, he wasnt exspecting a blame party he was exspecting to be asked about his daughter and be able to beg again for her to be brought home!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 24, 2009, 07:00:12 PM
Thanks, and that abandoned house is interesting, I didn't realize it is about 20 minutes away, I was understanding it to be closer to the trailer, and I wonder if Ron was also brought there?

I don't know about the exact location. I was just adding a couple of quotes there in case some folks were where they couldn't open the link; But the reporter said that he heard  (was told) that is was about "twenty minutes away" (teehee minutes, not miles) (I'm southern so I "get" that) . . ::MonkeyCool:: But it may be closer; I don't know.

Odd though that he's reporting only Crystal being taken there by LE. Maybe the others were taken also and it just wasn't included in this broadcast?



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: TxLady2 on February 24, 2009, 07:07:06 PM
http://www.myspace.com/crystalsheffield

Maybe Crystal didn't have custody of her children because she didn't want it that much.  Her myspace has very little about Haleigh compared to her new daughter.  She calls the kids brats and has lots of pics of herself drunk or drugged.  At the same time I believe her when she talks about Ronald.  When someone admits drug use at the same time they are accusing someone else of it I believe them. 



Ah yes, those are good points, osucowboy!  I've heard that Crystal allowed Ron to have the kids cuz he had a job and she didn't at the time, and that he had health insurance for the kids and she didn't. 

Her myspace seems to me that she has made a new life for herself and is moving on, with baby and fiance.  Could just seem that way and not true, dunno, it's just my take on it. 


I agree with both of you. I could be wrong, and sometimes am, but Crystal comes across as more sincere to me for some reason. Ron reminds me of quite a lot of young men I've come across in my lifetime... they swagger, curse, and try to act tough, but put them up beside a real man and they aren't so tough. His words and his body language tells me he has a quick temper. I don't know if he has a habit of hitting women or kids... but I would not be surprised.
Crystal was upfront about her past drug use, Ron was not, in fact he denied it to Geraldo that he had even been arrested. That tells me a lot. He might not be the worst of the whole bunch, but I don't trust a guy who slings f-words around and threatens to shoot someone through the window of a patrol car. Or calls his little juvie g/f a  stupid f#$%-ing b@$%#. Does that sound like a loving guy to anyone else? Doesn't to me. I wonder what this pastor of his who has been on t.v. touting his good qualities thinks about all those curse words and horrible names he throws around.


Yes..... TxLady2.

Also, with the exchange b/w Geraldo and Ron the other night someone wondered why Ron didn't go off and punch Geraldo.

Maybe it's b/c Ron has a lot of self control and is able to keep a calm lid on his actions, words, and emotions.

Or maybe it's b/c Geraldo is able to punch back.



Or maybe it was because Ronald got blind sighted by this man just turning up at his camp with these accusations when he is morning the loss of his daughter, he wasnt exspecting a blame party he was exspecting to be asked about his daughter and be able to beg again for her to be brought home!

Or maybe because he's all bark and no bite. Some older guy was getting in the camera's face, and I heard GR say, "don't touch him, don't touch him, please!" Then he skedaddled. I am pretty sure Ron realized that decking a reporter on national t.v. wouldn't make him look very good, but the old guy in the hat didn't seem to be too worried.
I'll be honest here... I don't like Ron much, he wouldn't be my choice of a buddy to hang out with, but I don't think he killed his little girl. Neither do I think Crystal or Misty did. In fact, none of the families on either side are suspect to me. I just think they are all kind of strange and I don't know who is to blame. I just hope the little girl is found safe soon.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 24, 2009, 07:13:59 PM
http://www.myspace.com/crystalsheffield

Maybe Crystal didn't have custody of her children because she didn't want it that much.  Her myspace has very little about Haleigh compared to her new daughter.  She calls the kids brats and has lots of pics of herself drunk or drugged.  At the same time I believe her when she talks about Ronald.  When someone admits drug use at the same time they are accusing someone else of it I believe them. 



Ah yes, those are good points, osucowboy!  I've heard that Crystal allowed Ron to have the kids cuz he had a job and she didn't at the time, and that he had health insurance for the kids and she didn't. 

Her myspace seems to me that she has made a new life for herself and is moving on, with baby and fiance.  Could just seem that way and not true, dunno, it's just my take on it. 


I agree with both of you. I could be wrong, and sometimes am, but Crystal comes across as more sincere to me for some reason. Ron reminds me of quite a lot of young men I've come across in my lifetime... they swagger, curse, and try to act tough, but put them up beside a real man and they aren't so tough. His words and his body language tells me he has a quick temper. I don't know if he has a habit of hitting women or kids... but I would not be surprised.
Crystal was upfront about her past drug use, Ron was not, in fact he denied it to Geraldo that he had even been arrested. That tells me a lot. He might not be the worst of the whole bunch, but I don't trust a guy who slings f-words around and threatens to shoot someone through the window of a patrol car. Or calls his little juvie g/f a  stupid f#$%-ing b@$%#. Does that sound like a loving guy to anyone else? Doesn't to me. I wonder what this pastor of his who has been on t.v. touting his good qualities thinks about all those curse words and horrible names he throws around.


Yes..... TxLady2.

Also, with the exchange b/w Geraldo and Ron the other night someone wondered why Ron didn't go off and punch Geraldo.

Maybe it's b/c Ron has a lot of self control and is able to keep a calm lid on his actions, words, and emotions.

Or maybe it's b/c Geraldo is able to punch back.



Or maybe it was because Ronald got blind sighted by this man just turning up at his camp with these accusations when he is morning the loss of his daughter, he wasnt exspecting a blame party he was exspecting to be asked about his daughter and be able to beg again for her to be brought home!

Or maybe because he's all bark and no bite. Some older guy was getting in the camera's face, and I heard GR say, "don't touch him, don't touch him, please!" Then he skedaddled. I am pretty sure Ron realized that decking a reporter on national t.v. wouldn't make him look very good, but the old guy in the hat didn't seem to be too worried.
I'll be honest here... I don't like Ron much, he wouldn't be my choice of a buddy to hang out with, but I don't think he killed his little girl. Neither do I think Crystal or Misty did. In fact, none of the families on either side are suspect to me. I just think they are all kind of strange and I don't know who is to blame. I just hope the little girl is found safe soon.
And since as you say here that Ron realized that decking someone on national TV wouldnt be good, then that could be the case, not because of bark or bite, but because he knew it wasnt a good idea, myself I would have given him a high five if he had punched Geraldo in his nose and broke it AGAIN!......


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 24, 2009, 07:21:06 PM
I would love for someone to explain that hairdo of Ron's sister.

Ron's sister harido reminds me of George Washington Era.... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 24, 2009, 07:28:56 PM
I would love for someone to explain that hairdo of Ron's sister.


Ron's sister harido reminds me of George Washington Era.... ::MonkeyTongue::


Buy me a keyboard, woman! . . ::MonkeyLaugh::

**Snort**

(Bless her heart. She must not have a mirror.)





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 24, 2009, 07:29:47 PM


FRESCA...... everywhere.......





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Searching on February 24, 2009, 07:38:23 PM


FRESCA...... everywhere.......





On the Whorealdo issue.. I find it very wrong for him to do that and am disgusted. WE all have seen what the Anthony's have been spewing/doing but has he went at them like that?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Garden Gnome on February 24, 2009, 07:38:45 PM
I must have missed this somehow but have you monkeys discussed the rumor that Ron may be a drug informant for the sheriffs?  It would make sense that his drug charges were dropped if he became an informant.  And that would certainly give somebody a reason to harm his family....

Ron denied, vehemently, but LE said they could not confirm or deny? 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 24, 2009, 07:44:10 PM
I must have missed this somehow but have you monkeys discussed the rumor that Ron may be a drug informant for the sheriffs?  It would make sense that his drug charges were dropped if he became an informant.  And that would certainly give somebody a reason to harm his family....

Ron denied, vehemently, but LE said they could not confirm or deny? 

their policy is to not comment on an ongoing investigation. hes not a millionaire member of a columbian drug cartel, hes a nonname poor slob, they wouldnt bother kidnapping his child, theyd just kill him and be done with it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dogmom4 on February 24, 2009, 07:47:35 PM
Just curious, has anyone heard of any credible Pyschic input on this case? THX in advance.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 24, 2009, 07:48:30 PM
Just curious, has anyone heard of any credible Pyschic input on this case? THX in advance.

Nope, I haven't heard anything which is odd.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 24, 2009, 07:58:33 PM
Just curious, has anyone heard of any credible Pyschic input on this case? THX in advance.

Nope, I haven't heard anything which is odd.
Someone posted a view from a pychic yesterday I believe, it said something about, a relative had the child and has been trying to sell her and that she will be found alive.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 24, 2009, 08:05:02 PM
Bumping this from last night, with the hope that this guy is right and today is the day that Haleigh is found.......




Dunno how many believe in what psychic's sense.  I've seen hit and miss in several different cases.  I often of take a 'lets wait and see' attitude.  So for what it's worth, here's one psychic's take on this case.  We won't have to wait long to see if what this one senses is spot on or not:

http://bobcaterino.wordpress.com/2009/02/23/haleigh-cummingsmy-psychic-reading/ (http://bobcaterino.wordpress.com/2009/02/23/haleigh-cummingsmy-psychic-reading/)

"The day this child went missing I saw that something was not lining up. I see the child as alive. The father, Ronald Cummings was working at the time the child was missing. His live in girlfriend of 17 was in charge of the children.

The girlfriend would sneak out once again in the name of fun, and always come home before the Childs father would. She knows the routine so well and has done this before. Earlier that morning, the seventeen year old has a relative over. He stole something from the home and the small childs father would discover it missing. They argued and the relative would walk away angry only to wait until the father would go to work. He was heading towards the home where he hid in the shadows and the seventeen year old was spotted leaving the home.

The relative would head over to the home still angry and found the door unlocked. He went in and sought revenge. He took the child and simply drove away. They were spotted in Knoxville but will be found on Tuesday Feb. 24th, ten miles before Nashville in a small community. The relative is trying to sell the child.

When we place our children in the hands of children, sometimes it’s as if we just don’t care but other times it is what we have to do. The seventeen year old girl living with the Father of these small children will be charged with obstruction. She will say that she is sorry but she just didn’t want her man to find out that she left the home. The girl will be found and all will get what is coming to them."



Here it is.....................


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 24, 2009, 08:06:39 PM
I would love for someone to explain that hairdo of Ron's sister.

Ron's sister harido reminds me of George Washington Era.... ::MonkeyTongue::
  ::MonkeyHaHa:: that must take a lot of work to fix it up that way.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 24, 2009, 08:14:40 PM
This is for all of you that are telling me that all the news has already been reported before. I wrote about this case the first day it happened. All the news coverage that doesn’t deal with a live person, personally involved with the cases I have reported on be it now or in the past, have been said after my facts. This is not the first post like this one I have written about Haleigh, Caylee also. I reported things that are coming out still. You don’t need to believe in any one saying they have abilities beyond the norm. I have gut feelings, nothing more. I can be like the fakes out there and say, British person, it should rain where you are and will it be fish and chips for dinner again? I am not one of the silly people that guess with a probability of a fifty percent chance of being right. I am telling you what I feel. On my watch, it is 2:00 PM and I have a strong feeling that this girl will be found within ten hours.

The girlfriend is a liar, was from me. The relative as a person of interest, that was from something I had written before anyone started asking those questions. I am not perfect, if I am wrong oh well. When I am right, then I want nothing more then a simply smile, but all the anger is a silly waiste of energy.


This is another comment by this same phychic, he says by tonight or its 2pm on his watch as he writes this and he says within 10 hours which means midnight, well I will certainly be waiting!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 24, 2009, 08:33:10 PM
FRESCA...... everywhere.......

On the Whorealdo issue.. I find it very wrong for him to do that and am disgusted. WE all have seen what the Anthony's have been spewing/doing but has he went at them like that?


About my Fresca comment that is embedded, I was laughing at JerseyGirl's Washington hairdo remark. I do not think the exchange b/w Geraldo and Ron is funny at all.

Just for clarity.





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 24, 2009, 08:38:53 PM
that would be a dream come true if Haleigh is found tonight...I do think that she is alive as I have said and that she will be found....Keep the faith everyone...we need to say that every night before bed time!
Interesting thing just said on Nancy Grace....Junior was sleeping with Misty....Haleigh was in her toddler bed, at least 3 ft away, according the the grand mother....Why did Junior wake up and see this guy in black when Misty did not wake up? <<<<<that was the question...I don't believe that this little boy said that...sorry but I don't...Number 1, someone else on here said that if he didn't know that she was missing, why all of a sudden would he say that he wanted to find sissy and that a man in black took her?
then, Crystal upon hearing this, frantic that her child is missing and her other child comes up with some info, she doesn't question him further? She just waited to report it and not another word was said? I can not fathom that happening like that...sorry again...just my feeling....
Crystal has been caught in some fibs like I said before, about Chad being told by Ron that he knew 75% of who took her....now it was a misunderstanding and that he didn't tell Chad that...pretty soon it will be that ron didn't tell the brother that either...another misunderstanding..
whew....all that being said, I don't think that anyone in the immediate family did any harm to Haleigh....someone who knows this family is responsible in my opinion...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Deenie on February 24, 2009, 09:01:27 PM
Island You have Nanners !  :smt049


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 09:12:21 PM
Island You have Nanners !  :smt049


so do you~go check ASAP ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Deenie on February 24, 2009, 09:20:07 PM
Island You have Nanners !  :smt049


so do you~go check ASAP ::MonkeyNoNo::
I responded :)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 24, 2009, 09:45:13 PM
Thanks, and that abandoned house is interesting, I didn't realize it is about 20 minutes away, I was understanding it to be closer to the trailer, and I wonder if Ron was also brought there?

I don't know about the exact location. I was just adding a couple of quotes there in case some folks were where they couldn't open the link; But the reporter said that he heard  (was told) that is was about "twenty minutes away" (teehee minutes, not miles) (I'm southern so I "get" that) . . ::MonkeyCool:: But it may be closer; I don't know.

Odd though that he's reporting only Crystal being taken there by LE. Maybe the others were taken also and it just wasn't included in this broadcast?



This abandoned house video was posted early this morning, so that was yesterday, not today when she was taken to the house. Odd, agreed, that they only mention Crystal being taken there.

I am willing to bet the abandoned house is a non-issue by now.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 24, 2009, 09:46:39 PM


FRESCA...... everywhere.......





On the Whorealdo issue.. I find it very wrong for him to do that and am disgusted. WE all have seen what the Anthony's have been spewing/doing but has he went at them like that?

Yes, I agree, Searching. He should have never gone there and what he did there was just stirring up dust which kept us from seeing the real issue. ...a little girl lost!

BTW, been worried about you, Searching, how is that nose of yours?!

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 24, 2009, 09:47:43 PM
I would love for someone to explain that hairdo of Ron's sister.

Ron's sister harido reminds me of George Washington Era.... ::MonkeyTongue::
  ::MonkeyHaHa:: that must take a lot of work to fix it up that way.

LOL .. you all are bad monkeys!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 24, 2009, 10:00:03 PM
I posted earlier about “evidence pointing to exactly this scenario”. I want to clarify that I was/am truly amazed by this prediction, not doubting it. I am a family member of Haleigh’s and found this site by accident while searching for other information. I have never heard of Bob Caterino but I was shocked when I read this because there is certain info that he (or anyone else online) couldn’t possibly have known. She may not be found today, I don’t know…but certainly things came to light today that may very well lead to her safe return very, very soon. I pray Caterino is right about this but either way, it’s remarkable to me to read what he wrote.

 Comment by J | 02/25/2009

 This is a reply to the phychic from a supposed family member of Haleighs...........hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: BluesyGram on February 24, 2009, 10:19:43 PM
I posted earlier about “evidence pointing to exactly this scenario”. I want to clarify that I was/am truly amazed by this prediction, not doubting it. I am a family member of Haleigh’s and found this site by accident while searching for other information. I have never heard of Bob Caterino but I was shocked when I read this because there is certain info that he (or anyone else online) couldn’t possibly have known. She may not be found today, I don’t know…but certainly things came to light today that may very well lead to her safe return very, very soon. I pray Caterino is right about this but either way, it’s remarkable to me to read what he wrote.

 Comment by J | 02/25/2009

 This is a reply to the phychic from a supposed family member of Haleighs...........hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Not sure if this is true...somehow I don't think anyone in the family has those kinds of grammar skills...no offense intended.

However, I would sure like to believe it is and Haleigh is found preferably alive and well.

And I think Ron's mother is correct when she said it was irresponsible of Crystal to put out in the media that Jr. could possible identify the kidnapper.  That might make them go deeper into hiding or risk the safety of Jr.  What an idiot that woman is.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 24, 2009, 10:23:59 PM
Thanks, and that abandoned house is interesting, I didn't realize it is about 20 minutes away, I was understanding it to be closer to the trailer, and I wonder if Ron was also brought there?

I don't know about the exact location. I was just adding a couple of quotes there in case some folks were where they couldn't open the link; But the reporter said that he heard  (was told) that is was about "twenty minutes away" (teehee minutes, not miles) (I'm southern so I "get" that) . . ::MonkeyCool:: But it may be closer; I don't know.

Odd though that he's reporting only Crystal being taken there by LE. Maybe the others were taken also and it just wasn't included in this broadcast?



This abandoned house video was posted early this morning, so that was yesterday, not today when she was taken to the house. Odd, agreed, that they only mention Crystal being taken there.

I am willing to bet the abandoned house is a non-issue by now.



The abandoned house video was posted early this morning? I don't know how I missed it.

I even searched for it before I posted it b/c I didn't want to be a doof and duplicate something that was already posted.

I searched under "abandoned house." Should I have used another search term?

Where was it already posted? Sorry I missed it. I didn't intend to double post anything.






Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 10:29:24 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!


BUMP


I was just now able to listen to NG, Mark Klass just stated that they never come right out and tell you you passed......and according to what I found, Polygraph results are not official until they are approved by FBI Headquarters in Washington.

Maybe this clears up all the Polygraph results and questions about those who have taken them.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 10:30:47 PM
I would love for someone to explain that hairdo of Ron's sister.

Ron's sister harido reminds me of George Washington Era.... ::MonkeyTongue::
  ::MonkeyHaHa:: that must take a lot of work to fix it up that way.

LOL .. you all are bad monkeys!

Very bad monkeys  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 24, 2009, 10:35:05 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!


BUMP


I was just now able to listen to NG, Mark Klass just stated that they never come right out and tell you you passed......and according to what I found, Polygraph results are not official until they are approved by FBI Headquarters in Washington.

Maybe this clears up all the Polygraph results and questions about those who have taken them.

Thanks for posting that IM..... It's been a long time since Monkeys dealt with polys what being exposed to the Ants and all ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 24, 2009, 10:36:21 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!


BUMP


I was just now able to listen to NG, Mark Klass just stated that they never come right out and tell you you passed......and according to what I found, Polygraph results are not official until they are approved by FBI Headquarters in Washington.

Maybe this clears up all the Polygraph results and questions about those who have taken them.


Thanks for the poly info, Islandmonkey.

Mrs. Sykes, one of the great grandmothers, weighs in on Jr's man-in-black.

Cummings Family: Rumors Person Was Inside Home Are False

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Cummings-Family-Rumors-Person-Was-Inside-Home-Are/retraOmmEkGCL_R0FwZ4DA.cspx?rss=10 (http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Cummings-Family-Rumors-Person-Was-Inside-Home-Are/retraOmmEkGCL_R0FwZ4DA.cspx?rss=10)




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 24, 2009, 10:41:59 PM
Thanks, and that abandoned house is interesting, I didn't realize it is about 20 minutes away, I was understanding it to be closer to the trailer, and I wonder if Ron was also brought there?

I don't know about the exact location. I was just adding a couple of quotes there in case some folks were where they couldn't open the link; But the reporter said that he heard  (was told) that is was about "twenty minutes away" (teehee minutes, not miles) (I'm southern so I "get" that) . . ::MonkeyCool:: But it may be closer; I don't know.

Odd though that he's reporting only Crystal being taken there by LE. Maybe the others were taken also and it just wasn't included in this broadcast?



This abandoned house video was posted early this morning, so that was yesterday, not today when she was taken to the house. Odd, agreed, that they only mention Crystal being taken there.

I am willing to bet the abandoned house is a non-issue by now.



The abandoned house video was posted early this morning? I don't know how I missed it.

I even searched for it before I posted it b/c I didn't want to be a doof and duplicate something that was already posted.

I searched under "abandoned house." Should I have used another search term?

Where was it already posted? Sorry I missed it. I didn't intend to double post anything.






No, No, No.

I meant it was last night's newscast, apparently, posted at WTEV CBS 47 Jacksonville
Feb. 23, 2009. at 12:10 AM EST

Did not mean that you posted something here inappropriately at all! I appreciate your giving the link!

http://www.clipsyndicate.com/publish/video/845635/haleigh_s_family_speaks

 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 10:42:44 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!


BUMP


I was just now able to listen to NG, Mark Klass just stated that they never come right out and tell you you passed......and according to what I found, Polygraph results are not official until they are approved by FBI Headquarters in Washington.

Maybe this clears up all the Polygraph results and questions about those who have taken them.

Thanks for posting that IM..... It's been a long time since Monkeys dealt with polys what being exposed to the Ants and all ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: Aint that the truth, sorry just had to let my southern side sneak out ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 24, 2009, 10:44:43 PM
Thanks, and that abandoned house is interesting, I didn't realize it is about 20 minutes away, I was understanding it to be closer to the trailer, and I wonder if Ron was also brought there?

I don't know about the exact location. I was just adding a couple of quotes there in case some folks were where they couldn't open the link; But the reporter said that he heard  (was told) that is was about "twenty minutes away" (teehee minutes, not miles) (I'm southern so I "get" that) . . ::MonkeyCool:: But it may be closer; I don't know.

Odd though that he's reporting only Crystal being taken there by LE. Maybe the others were taken also and it just wasn't included in this broadcast?



This abandoned house video was posted early this morning, so that was yesterday, not today when she was taken to the house. Odd, agreed, that they only mention Crystal being taken there.

I am willing to bet the abandoned house is a non-issue by now.



The abandoned house video was posted early this morning? I don't know how I missed it.

I even searched for it before I posted it b/c I didn't want to be a doof and duplicate something that was already posted.

I searched under "abandoned house." Should I have used another search term?

Where was it already posted? Sorry I missed it. I didn't intend to double post anything.






No, No, No.

I meant it was last night's newscast, apparently, posted at WTEV CBS 47 Jacksonville
Feb. 23, 2009. at 12:10 AM EST

Did not mean that you posted something here inappropriately at all! I appreciate your giving the link!

http://www.clipsyndicate.com/publish/video/845635/haleigh_s_family_speaks

 ::MonkeyDance::

I missed this stuff about the abandoned house all together  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 10:47:01 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!


BUMP


I was just now able to listen to NG, Mark Klass just stated that they never come right out and tell you you passed......and according to what I found, Polygraph results are not official until they are approved by FBI Headquarters in Washington.

Maybe this clears up all the Polygraph results and questions about those who have taken them.


Thanks for the poly info, Islandmonkey.

Mrs. Sykes, one of the great grandmothers, weighs in on Jr's man-in-black.

Cummings Family: Rumors Person Was Inside Home Are False

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Cummings-Family-Rumors-Person-Was-Inside-Home-Are/retraOmmEkGCL_R0FwZ4DA.cspx?rss=10 (http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Cummings-Family-Rumors-Person-Was-Inside-Home-Are/retraOmmEkGCL_R0FwZ4DA.cspx?rss=10)




MOO~I think that he may have thought about this later, and I believe he awoke from a deep sleep when LE arrived at the home to investigate, I'd bet it's possible he saw all the uniformed officers and they could easily look like "a man in black".......I can see him voicing this and somehow linking it together with Haleigh's disappearance.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 24, 2009, 10:47:43 PM
Thanks, and that abandoned house is interesting, I didn't realize it is about 20 minutes away, I was understanding it to be closer to the trailer, and I wonder if Ron was also brought there?

I don't know about the exact location. I was just adding a couple of quotes there in case some folks were where they couldn't open the link; But the reporter said that he heard  (was told) that is was about "twenty minutes away" (teehee minutes, not miles) (I'm southern so I "get" that) . . ::MonkeyCool:: But it may be closer; I don't know.

Odd though that he's reporting only Crystal being taken there by LE. Maybe the others were taken also and it just wasn't included in this broadcast?

This abandoned house video was posted early this morning, so that was yesterday, not today when she was taken to the house. Odd, agreed, that they only mention Crystal being taken there.

I am willing to bet the abandoned house is a non-issue by now.
The abandoned house video was posted early this morning? I don't know how I missed it.

I even searched for it before I posted it b/c I didn't want to be a doof and duplicate something that was already posted.

I searched under "abandoned house." Should I have used another search term?

Where was it already posted? Sorry I missed it. I didn't intend to double post anything.

No, No, No.

I meant it was last night's newscast, apparently, posted at WTEV CBS 47 Jacksonville
Feb. 23, 2009. at 12:10 AM EST

Did not mean that you posted something here inappropriately at all! I appreciate your giving the link!

http://www.clipsyndicate.com/publish/video/845635/haleigh_s_family_speaks

 ::MonkeyDance::


Oh, OK thanks. .  ::MonkeyCool::

 I didn't see it brought up here, so I just added it; but if it's a bust.... no biggy. .  ::MonkeyCool::




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 24, 2009, 10:52:20 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!
BUMP

I was just now able to listen to NG, Mark Klass just stated that they never come right out and tell you you passed......and according to what I found, Polygraph results are not official until they are approved by FBI Headquarters in Washington.

Maybe this clears up all the Polygraph results and questions about those who have taken them.

Thanks for the poly info, Islandmonkey.
Mrs. Sykes, one of the great grandmothers, weighs in on Jr's man-in-black.

Cummings Family: Rumors Person Was Inside Home Are False

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Cummings-Family-Rumors-Person-Was-Inside-Home-Are/retraOmmEkGCL_R0FwZ4DA.cspx?rss=10 (http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Cummings-Family-Rumors-Person-Was-Inside-Home-Are/retraOmmEkGCL_R0FwZ4DA.cspx?rss=10)

MOO~I think that he may have thought about this later, and I believe he awoke from a deep sleep when LE arrived at the home to investigate, I'd bet it's possible he saw all the uniformed officers and they could easily look like "a man in black".......I can see him voicing this and somehow linking it together with Haleigh's disappearance.



I agree. It seems like it could be a plausible leap for a young child coming out of sleep, in all the confusion; that was very frightening for him too I'm sure.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Searching on February 24, 2009, 10:53:55 PM
FRESCA...... everywhere.......

On the Whorealdo issue.. I find it very wrong for him to do that and am disgusted. WE all have seen what the Anthony's have been spewing/doing but has he went at them like that?


About my Fresca comment that is embedded, I was laughing at JerseyGirl's Washington hairdo remark. I do not think the exchange b/w Geraldo and Ron is funny at all.

Just for clarity.





That was totally an accident, I do not know how I did that.. must be the meds... seems it is taking forever for me to type too... I meant to just post about whorealdo,did not mean to respond to your post..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 10:58:49 PM
FRESCA...... everywhere.......

On the Whorealdo issue.. I find it very wrong for him to do that and am disgusted. WE all have seen what the Anthony's have been spewing/doing but has he went at them like that?


About my Fresca comment that is embedded, I was laughing at JerseyGirl's Washington hairdo remark. I do not think the exchange b/w Geraldo and Ron is funny at all.

Just for clarity.





That was totally an accident, I do not know how I did that.. must be the meds... seems it is taking forever for me to type too... I meant to just post about whorealdo,did not mean to respond to your post..

Hi Searching~how is your nose......you never did tell us the funny story ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Searching on February 24, 2009, 11:00:28 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!


BUMP


I was just now able to listen to NG, Mark Klass just stated that they never come right out and tell you you passed......and according to what I found, Polygraph results are not official until they are approved by FBI Headquarters in Washington.

Maybe this clears up all the Polygraph results and questions about those who have taken them.


Thanks for the poly info, Islandmonkey.

Mrs. Sykes, one of the great grandmothers, weighs in on Jr's man-in-black.

Cummings Family: Rumors Person Was Inside Home Are False

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Cummings-Family-Rumors-Person-Was-Inside-Home-Are/retraOmmEkGCL_R0FwZ4DA.cspx?rss=10 (http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Cummings-Family-Rumors-Person-Was-Inside-Home-Are/retraOmmEkGCL_R0FwZ4DA.cspx?rss=10)




This time I am meaning to reply to your post   ::MonkeyTongue::

This part of the article has me curious..

Sykes says she was at the Cummings household within 15 minutes of the abduction. She says she also took Ronald Jr. to the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office where he was interviewed by detectives.

Im sorry?? what was that?? so you know what time exactly she was abducted Great G'Ma??
Maybe she needs to clue LE in on when exactly that was and since she knows what time,she should know by whom....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Searching on February 24, 2009, 11:05:23 PM
FRESCA...... everywhere.......

On the Whorealdo issue.. I find it very wrong for him to do that and am disgusted. WE all have seen what the Anthony's have been spewing/doing but has he went at them like that?


About my Fresca comment that is embedded, I was laughing at JerseyGirl's Washington hairdo remark. I do not think the exchange b/w Geraldo and Ron is funny at all.

Just for clarity.





That was totally an accident, I do not know how I did that.. must be the meds... seems it is taking forever for me to type too... I meant to just post about whorealdo,did not mean to respond to your post..

Hi Searching~how is your nose......you never did tell us the funny story ::MonkeyTongue::

had to didn't you IM.. Ok, I never said I was the brightest monkey in the cage   ::MonkeyTongue::

I have a glass top dining table that has a shelf built in under the glass to put something as decoration.. I have a plant on the shelf under there and went to water it and went nose first into the glass. 2 shiners,busted nose,GREAT pain meds,it's all good, I actually straightened it from when it was broken before,it was slightly crooked.  now not as crooked.  It is still swollen and sore,face hurts but meds help, will be a while to heal I'm sure.  Thanks for asking though.

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 24, 2009, 11:05:30 PM

FWIT someone emailed me that the body language lady was on Bill O'reilly tonight talking about the Cummings case. I missed it b/c I can't tolerate BO'R and don't watch unless I get a heads up about something in particular. Maybe I can catch it on the re-run, if there is one dangit.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 24, 2009, 11:06:20 PM

Sorry ....I meant "For What It's Worth" (FWIW) . .  ::MonkeyHaHa::




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 24, 2009, 11:09:09 PM
FRESCA...... everywhere.......

On the Whorealdo issue.. I find it very wrong for him to do that and am disgusted. WE all have seen what the Anthony's have been spewing/doing but has he went at them like that?


About my Fresca comment that is embedded, I was laughing at JerseyGirl's Washington hairdo remark. I do not think the exchange b/w Geraldo and Ron is funny at all.

Just for clarity.





That was totally an accident, I do not know how I did that.. must be the meds... seems it is taking forever for me to type too... I meant to just post about whorealdo,did not mean to respond to your post..


BWAH!!!  . . ::MonkeyHaHa::  no biggy.

Apparently I can't type... or spell. . . .so don't feel bad.  ::MonkeyLaugh::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 24, 2009, 11:09:52 PM
FRESCA...... everywhere.......

On the Whorealdo issue.. I find it very wrong for him to do that and am disgusted. WE all have seen what the Anthony's have been spewing/doing but has he went at them like that?


About my Fresca comment that is embedded, I was laughing at JerseyGirl's Washington hairdo remark. I do not think the exchange b/w Geraldo and Ron is funny at all.

Just for clarity.





That was totally an accident, I do not know how I did that.. must be the meds... seems it is taking forever for me to type too... I meant to just post about whorealdo,did not mean to respond to your post..

Hi Searching~how is your nose......you never did tell us the funny story ::MonkeyTongue::

had to didn't you IM.. Ok, I never said I was the brightest monkey in the cage   ::MonkeyTongue::

I have a glass top dining table that has a shelf built in under the glass to put something as decoration.. I have a plant on the shelf under there and went to water it and went nose first into the glass. 2 shiners,busted nose,GREAT pain meds,it's all good, I actually straightened it from when it was broken before,it was slightly crooked.  now not as crooked.  It is still swollen and sore,face hurts but meds help, will be a while to heal I'm sure.  Thanks for asking though.

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

well............yes, I had to know ::MonkeyTongue:: you know what a nosey monkey I am (no pun intended)......but that is a funny story~glad to hear you're on the mend.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Searching on February 24, 2009, 11:13:18 PM
FRESCA...... everywhere.......

On the Whorealdo issue.. I find it very wrong for him to do that and am disgusted. WE all have seen what the Anthony's have been spewing/doing but has he went at them like that?


About my Fresca comment that is embedded, I was laughing at JerseyGirl's Washington hairdo remark. I do not think the exchange b/w Geraldo and Ron is funny at all.

Just for clarity.





That was totally an accident, I do not know how I did that.. must be the meds... seems it is taking forever for me to type too... I meant to just post about whorealdo,did not mean to respond to your post..

Hi Searching~how is your nose......you never did tell us the funny story ::MonkeyTongue::

had to didn't you IM.. Ok, I never said I was the brightest monkey in the cage   ::MonkeyTongue::

I have a glass top dining table that has a shelf built in under the glass to put something as decoration.. I have a plant on the shelf under there and went to water it and went nose first into the glass. 2 shiners,busted nose,GREAT pain meds,it's all good, I actually straightened it from when it was broken before,it was slightly crooked.  now not as crooked.  It is still swollen and sore,face hurts but meds help, will be a while to heal I'm sure.  Thanks for asking though.

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

well............yes, I had to know ::MonkeyTongue:: you know what a nosey monkey I am (no pun intended)......but that is a funny story~glad to hear you're on the mend.

You should have heard my daughter when she seen my nose and shiners, she came unglued,thought someone hit me..then I told her what happened. She laughed till she peed herself, no joke she did, then went and told EVERYONE she could get a hold of what I did. next time I bend down to water that dang plant,I will move much slower..    ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 24, 2009, 11:27:25 PM
Crystal Sheffield announced in NG that she took a poly...when asked if she past long silence and then this nugget "As far as I know I passed but they said they had to send it to Washington"   O NO THAT IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!!!!

A) they know immediately  B) they dont send it to Washington!!!!
BUMP

I was just now able to listen to NG, Mark Klass just stated that they never come right out and tell you you passed......and according to what I found, Polygraph results are not official until they are approved by FBI Headquarters in Washington.

Maybe this clears up all the Polygraph results and questions about those who have taken them.

Thanks for the poly info, Islandmonkey.
Mrs. Sykes, one of the great grandmothers, weighs in on Jr's man-in-black.

Cummings Family: Rumors Person Was Inside Home Are False

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Cummings-Family-Rumors-Person-Was-Inside-Home-Are/retraOmmEkGCL_R0FwZ4DA.cspx?rss=10 (http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Cummings-Family-Rumors-Person-Was-Inside-Home-Are/retraOmmEkGCL_R0FwZ4DA.cspx?rss=10)

MOO~I think that he may have thought about this later, and I believe he awoke from a deep sleep when LE arrived at the home to investigate, I'd bet it's possible he saw all the uniformed officers and they could easily look like "a man in black".......I can see him voicing this and somehow linking it together with Haleigh's disappearance.



I agree. It seems like it could be a plausible leap for a young child coming out of sleep, in all the confusion; that was very frightening for him too I'm sure.




ya, could be. tho with all the racket ron was making youd think hed already have woken up.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: leslee on February 24, 2009, 11:33:13 PM
Searching I am sorry for your misfortune but I completely understand ::MonkeyHaHa:: I am a class A klutz I have jumped in my truck only to bang my head several times, I have tripped going INTO my house, I can't walk and chew gum at the same time ( this is a standing joke among my friends based on a true story) and when I do the Wii fit balance test the computer asks me if I ever trip while walking ::MonkeyLaugh:: It is good to have a sense of humor!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Searching on February 24, 2009, 11:44:16 PM
Searching I am sorry for your misfortune but I completely understand ::MonkeyHaHa:: I am a class A klutz I have jumped in my truck only to bang my head several times, I have tripped going INTO my house, I can't walk and chew gum at the same time ( this is a standing joke among my friends based on a true story) and when I do the Wii fit balance test the computer asks me if I ever trip while walking ::MonkeyLaugh:: It is good to have a sense of humor!

Glad to know I am not the only klutz around. When you are like us, a good sense of humor is a requirement.  ::MonkeyRoll::  Laughter is good for the soul. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Mary on February 24, 2009, 11:58:16 PM
Something has bothered me, when I saw them searching the bush I couldn't believe,
how thick the bush was. It looked like the searchers were 4-5 feet apart or more.
I kept thinking that she wasn't that big and they could miss her because of how thick the bush was. I know they had dogs with them but I think they should search
the area near the living quarters again. Also, she was affraid of the dark, but she
was also affraid of being alone and if gf had gone out would she go looking. I just
have this hinky feeling.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 12:05:45 AM
 ::MonkeyEek:: I just listened to this video~the trailer (crime scene) can be held indefinitly......They say they know a crime took place, and abduction or something.....so, until they know more it will stay secured ::MonkeyConfused::



http://www.clipsyndicate.com/publish/video/846128/week_two_in_the_search_for_haleigh


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 25, 2009, 12:13:32 AM
::MonkeyEek:: I just listened to this video~the trailer (crime scene) can be held indefinitly......They say they know a crime took place, and abduction or something.....so, until they know more it will stay secured ::MonkeyConfused::


http://www.clipsyndicate.com/publish/video/846128/week_two_in_the_search_for_haleigh

I didn't listen to the clip, but Ronald's mother said that tonight on NG as well.   Something like they are holding the trailer so that if they find something somewhere else, they might be able to link it back to the trailer.  And if they let anyone back in the trailer, it would destroy whatever evidence might be there. 

That was one of those things that made sense only in a backwards kind of way.  I really don't get it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 12:14:04 AM
::MonkeyEek:: I just listened to this video~the trailer (crime scene) can be held indefinitly......They say they know a crime took place, and abduction or something.....so, until they know more it will stay secured ::MonkeyConfused::



http://www.clipsyndicate.com/publish/video/846128/week_two_in_the_search_for_haleigh

ya i saw that too, finally an explanation of sorts. they talked about it tonight on ng too, rons mom said even if they could go in ron wouldnt want to without haleigh. i can understand that, i couldnt do it either.

its good tho i feel, any new suspects come up and they still have a prisitine crime scene.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 12:17:38 AM

I'm loooking for a link in order to broach this subject, but do y'all recall anything about morphine suckers? Or did I completely hear that wrong and I'm off my rocker and need a nap? (Maybe it was "poppers") (Or maybe there are poppers and suckers?) Sorry I'm not up on lingo. If there are "suckers" would they look like candy and be appealing to a child?




 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 12:18:09 AM
::MonkeyEek:: I just listened to this video~the trailer (crime scene) can be held indefinitly......They say they know a crime took place, and abduction or something.....so, until they know more it will stay secured ::MonkeyConfused::



http://www.clipsyndicate.com/publish/video/846128/week_two_in_the_search_for_haleigh

ya i saw that too, finally an explanation of sorts. they talked about it tonight on ng too, rons mom said even if they could go in ron wouldnt want to without haleigh. i can understand that, i couldnt do it either.

its good tho i feel, any new suspects come up and they still have a prisitine crime scene.

I did hear that, I was just wanting to hear what LE had to say, that along with an earlier LE statement that they were calling her disappearance and "abduction" because it gets more bang for the buck leads me to believe something more to it than preservation of evidence. I've NEVER seen a case where this has happened......it's just odd to me and doesn't sit well ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 12:19:09 AM

I'm loooking for a link in order to broach this subject, but do y'all recall anything about morphine suckers? Or did I completely hear that wrong and I'm off my rocker and need a nap? (Maybe it was "poppers") (Or maybe there are poppers and suckers?) Sorry I'm not up on lingo. If there are "suckers" would they look like candy and be appealing to a child?




 

you mean in term of illicit sales?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 12:20:29 AM

I'm loooking for a link in order to broach this subject, but do y'all recall anything about morphine suckers? Or did I completely hear that wrong and I'm off my rocker and need a nap? (Maybe it was "poppers") (Or maybe there are poppers and suckers?) Sorry I'm not up on lingo. If there are "suckers" would they look like candy and be appealing to a child?




 

That was in the infamous Whorealdo stunt..........although we know from the Sarasota police report that RC had morphine in his posession when he was arrested, but do they really come in suckers? I could probably ask my brother, but it's too late tonight ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 12:22:42 AM

I'm loooking for a link in order to broach this subject, but do y'all recall anything about morphine suckers? Or did I completely hear that wrong and I'm off my rocker and need a nap? (Maybe it was "poppers") (Or maybe there are poppers and suckers?) Sorry I'm not up on lingo. If there are "suckers" would they look like candy and be appealing to a child?




 

That was in the infamous Whorealdo stunt..........although we know from the Sarasota police report that RC had morphine in his posession when he was arrested, but do they really come in suckers? I could probably ask my brother, but it's too late tonight ::MonkeyTongue::

do you recall how recent that was?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 25, 2009, 12:24:19 AM

I'm loooking for a link in order to broach this subject, but do y'all recall anything about morphine suckers? Or did I completely hear that wrong and I'm off my rocker and need a nap? (Maybe it was "poppers") (Or maybe there are poppers and suckers?) Sorry I'm not up on lingo. If there are "suckers" would they look like candy and be appealing to a child?


If you google drugs plus lollipops or suckers, something like that, there's a lot of information.  Morphine, ecstacy, several drugs are put in lollipops and even in tootsie rolls.  I don't know what they look like though.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 12:28:56 AM

I'm loooking for a link in order to broach this subject, but do y'all recall anything about morphine suckers? Or did I completely hear that wrong and I'm off my rocker and need a nap? (Maybe it was "poppers") (Or maybe there are poppers and suckers?) Sorry I'm not up on lingo. If there are "suckers" would they look like candy and be appealing to a child?


If you google drugs plus lollipops or suckers, something like that, there's a lot of information.  Morphine, ecstacy, several drugs are put in lollipops and even in tootsie rolls.  I don't know what they look like though.

OMG! You're kidding! That seems like a terrible idea.

Yikes.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 12:30:09 AM

I'm loooking for a link in order to broach this subject, but do y'all recall anything about morphine suckers? Or did I completely hear that wrong and I'm off my rocker and need a nap? (Maybe it was "poppers") (Or maybe there are poppers and suckers?) Sorry I'm not up on lingo. If there are "suckers" would they look like candy and be appealing to a child?




 

That was in the infamous Whorealdo stunt..........although we know from the Sarasota police report that RC had morphine in his posession when he was arrested, but do they really come in suckers? I could probably ask my brother, but it's too late tonight ::MonkeyTongue::

do you recall how recent that was?

The Satsuma arrest was in late 2005


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 12:31:18 AM

I'm loooking for a link in order to broach this subject, but do y'all recall anything about morphine suckers? Or did I completely hear that wrong and I'm off my rocker and need a nap? (Maybe it was "poppers") (Or maybe there are poppers and suckers?) Sorry I'm not up on lingo. If there are "suckers" would they look like candy and be appealing to a child?


If you google drugs plus lollipops or suckers, something like that, there's a lot of information.  Morphine, ecstacy, several drugs are put in lollipops and even in tootsie rolls.  I don't know what they look like though.

Thanks~I just did that and you can get morphine suckers via prescription too ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 12:32:40 AM

I'm loooking for a link in order to broach this subject, but do y'all recall anything about morphine suckers? Or did I completely hear that wrong and I'm off my rocker and need a nap? (Maybe it was "poppers") (Or maybe there are poppers and suckers?) Sorry I'm not up on lingo. If there are "suckers" would they look like candy and be appealing to a child?




 

That was in the infamous Whorealdo stunt..........although we know from the Sarasota police report that RC had morphine in his posession when he was arrested, but do they really come in suckers? I could probably ask my brother, but it's too late tonight ::MonkeyTongue::

do you recall how recent that was?

The Satsuma arrest was in late 2005

edit....the Sarasota arrest is what i meant ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 12:35:40 AM

I'm loooking for a link in order to broach this subject, but do y'all recall anything about morphine suckers? Or did I completely hear that wrong and I'm off my rocker and need a nap? (Maybe it was "poppers") (Or maybe there are poppers and suckers?) Sorry I'm not up on lingo. If there are "suckers" would they look like candy and be appealing to a child?




 

That was in the infamous Whorealdo stunt..........although we know from the Sarasota police report that RC had morphine in his posession when he was arrested, but do they really come in suckers? I could probably ask my brother, but it's too late tonight ::MonkeyTongue::

do you recall how recent that was?

The Satsuma arrest was in late 2005

oh ok, thanks. i dont know, youd think if he was addicted to something as strong as that hed have had some medical issues by now, thats a heavy duty addiction.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 25, 2009, 12:37:12 AM
I want someone to break in my place when I am sleeping and do the dishes.
..
I slept thru the first part of a fire alarm last week.
Hello & Goodbye, just did the back reading. Amazing collection of people in these families. Be back tomorrow. 
..
Read where they had the dogs there the first day and the trail stopped at the railroad tracks. Trying to figure that one out.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 12:44:22 AM

I'm loooking for a link in order to broach this subject, but do y'all recall anything about morphine suckers? Or did I completely hear that wrong and I'm off my rocker and need a nap? (Maybe it was "poppers") (Or maybe there are poppers and suckers?) Sorry I'm not up on lingo. If there are "suckers" would they look like candy and be appealing to a child?




 

That was in the infamous Whorealdo stunt..........although we know from the Sarasota police report that RC had morphine in his posession when he was arrested, but do they really come in suckers? I could probably ask my brother, but it's too late tonight ::MonkeyTongue::

do you recall how recent that was?

The Satsuma arrest was in late 2005

oh ok, thanks. i dont know, youd think if he was addicted to something as strong as that hed have had some medical issues by now, thats a heavy duty addiction.

never said he was addicted.....but, my brother has a longggggggggggg history of drug abuse, mainly pot but some others, and he will be 40 in october, he seems to be pretty healthy or at least nothing has ever shown otherwise.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 12:45:35 AM
I want someone to break in my place when I am sleeping and do the dishes.
..
I slept thru the first part of a fire alarm last week.
Hello & Goodbye, just did the back reading. Amazing collection of people in these families. Be back tomorrow. 
..
Read where they had the dogs there the first day and the trail stopped at the railroad tracks. Trying to figure that one out.

LMAO~me too, and get all the dust bunnies and laundry done while they are at in...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 12:47:48 AM

I'm loooking for a link in order to broach this subject, but do y'all recall anything about morphine suckers? Or did I completely hear that wrong and I'm off my rocker and need a nap? (Maybe it was "poppers") (Or maybe there are poppers and suckers?) Sorry I'm not up on lingo. If there are "suckers" would they look like candy and be appealing to a child?




 

That was in the infamous Whorealdo stunt..........although we know from the Sarasota police report that RC had morphine in his posession when he was arrested, but do they really come in suckers? I could probably ask my brother, but it's too late tonight ::MonkeyTongue::

do you recall how recent that was?

The Satsuma arrest was in late 2005

oh ok, thanks. i dont know, youd think if he was addicted to something as strong as that hed have had some medical issues by now, thats a heavy duty addiction.

never said he was addicted.....but, my brother has a longggggggggggg history of drug abuse, mainly pot but some others, and he will be 40 in october, he seems to be pretty healthy or at least nothing has ever shown otherwise.

ya i understand, but weed and morphine arent even in the same ball park. morphine and heroin addicts are far from ' healthy' by any stretch of the imagination. ditto for meth addicts.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 12:55:47 AM

I'm loooking for a link in order to broach this subject, but do y'all recall anything about morphine suckers? Or did I completely hear that wrong and I'm off my rocker and need a nap? (Maybe it was "poppers") (Or maybe there are poppers and suckers?) Sorry I'm not up on lingo. If there are "suckers" would they look like candy and be appealing to a child?




 

That was in the infamous Whorealdo stunt..........although we know from the Sarasota police report that RC had morphine in his posession when he was arrested, but do they really come in suckers? I could probably ask my brother, but it's too late tonight ::MonkeyTongue::

do you recall how recent that was?

The Satsuma arrest was in late 2005

oh ok, thanks. i dont know, youd think if he was addicted to something as strong as that hed have had some medical issues by now, thats a heavy duty addiction.

never said he was addicted.....but, my brother has a longggggggggggg history of drug abuse, mainly pot but some others, and he will be 40 in october, he seems to be pretty healthy or at least nothing has ever shown otherwise.

ya i understand, but weed and morphine arent even in the same ball park. morphine and heroin addicts are far from ' healthy' by any stretch of the imagination. ditto for meth addicts.

well, he's done more than weed, cocaine for one, not sure about any of the others as I won't allow him around my kids, he's hot tempered and flys off the handle easily. I agree with the meth addicts, those before and after pic's should scare the h2ll out of anyone ::MonkeyEek::

Nite all, I've been up way too late and working way to much........CY tomorrow monkeys


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 12:57:38 AM

I'm loooking for a link in order to broach this subject, but do y'all recall anything about morphine suckers? Or did I completely hear that wrong and I'm off my rocker and need a nap? (Maybe it was "poppers") (Or maybe there are poppers and suckers?) Sorry I'm not up on lingo. If there are "suckers" would they look like candy and be appealing to a child?




 

That was in the infamous Whorealdo stunt..........although we know from the Sarasota police report that RC had morphine in his posession when he was arrested, but do they really come in suckers? I could probably ask my brother, but it's too late tonight ::MonkeyTongue::

do you recall how recent that was?

The Satsuma arrest was in late 2005

oh ok, thanks. i dont know, youd think if he was addicted to something as strong as that hed have had some medical issues by now, thats a heavy duty addiction.

never said he was addicted.....but, my brother has a longggggggggggg history of drug abuse, mainly pot but some others, and he will be 40 in october, he seems to be pretty healthy or at least nothing has ever shown otherwise.

ya i understand, but weed and morphine arent even in the same ball park. morphine and heroin addicts are far from ' healthy' by any stretch of the imagination. ditto for meth addicts.

well, he's done more than weed, cocaine for one, not sure about any of the others as I won't allow him around my kids, he's hot tempered and flys off the handle easily. I agree with the meth addicts, those before and after pic's should scare the h2ll out of anyone ::MonkeyEek::

Nite all, I've been up way too late and working way to much........CY tomorrow monkeys

night island, sleep tight!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: IBE on February 25, 2009, 01:09:21 AM

Good lord, the Florida courts are sure kept busy with Ron's, Crystal's, and Misty's families, old and young alike.... Here we have Ron's sister, Crystal:


http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=41732 (http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=41732)



Luv the "oh crap, I'm so busted" look in her eyes!
Pardon me for being rude here, but this is two rather odd choices for hairstyles. I've never seen either of her hairdos on a white woman. And now I know why.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Oh please tell us!   ::MonkeyHaHa::



uh... oh.. duh on me! 

from the above link:

Name:         CUMMINGS,CRYSTAL GAYNELL
 DOB:          09/10/80
 Booking #:    03031533
 Arrest Date:  05/30/03
 Race:         W
 Sex:          F
 Ethnicity:    N


anyone care to interpret this?   is it saying what i think it's saying?   ::MonkeyEek::


I wish someone would interpret this, because I have no idea.

Ethnicity:

gee, I didn't think they were allowed to ask that anymore. I would guess "ethnicity" would be like Italian, Irish, Greek. German, Cuban.

You know, as in ethnic food?

as trivia.. in the state in which I live they are not allowed to put you date of birth down on the checks for ID or maybe that is national?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 25, 2009, 01:38:05 AM


I realize that some of this discussion is re. maternal cuz and its been very enlightening. 

Keep in mind that if RC running heavy equipment, he's prob been administered drug tests from time to time.  I don't know about over-riding the tests.  If he was a bad actor, that's one thing.  But folks can rise above their past. 

RE. NG:  I think its remarkable that after paternal Grandma said she was uncomfortable talking 'bout "Jr"'s id of the phantom perp because it might put him in danger, NG cites the little boy's id/fantasy again in another segment. 

Yup, she's a child advocate alright  What a reckless hypocrite... :smt013

I think its bad form to act so heartbroken re. the missing and murdered, then next thing you know, here comes a mindless (and heartless imho) transition to pics of her kids.   :gaah:  Geez, give 'em their own show, but don't remind bereaved folks of what they've lost.  It makes me want to scream that someone could be so naive that their empathy only extends to the story du joir, and to heck w/grieving loved ones.

Haleigh darlin', the candle's in the window to help you find your way home...

Foggy
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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 25, 2009, 01:46:29 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 25, 2009, 01:52:42 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL!

Good night, Klaas!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Scandi on February 25, 2009, 02:50:43 AM
Night Brandi and All

Brandi, I love your Avi.  OMG, tomoz night I need to somehow discover something incredible so I can retire Santa    ::MonkeyLaugh::


Hi FoggyDew,  I agree about Nancy and think the constand bringing up of her twins takes away from the show.  I know she has a good heart and is always an advocate for the victim.   I can't watch her anymore as she drives me nuits.  If she doesn't like what a TH says she poo poo's it and changes the subject.  I don't understand that.

Hi Klaasend,  Thaks for the Haleigh forum.  Krams

Manyana  xox


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Elaine on February 25, 2009, 05:26:44 AM
At this point I feel like Misty really did sneak away and leave the 2 children home alone. I think Haleigh woke up, and went outside looking for Misty. I have a bad feeling that Haleigh somehow met her demise out in the dark, she may be in the water.

IMO, the man in black that Jr is saying he saw, was really a cop he saw when he was awakened.

I think Misty Propped the block at the back door, trying to stage something, so she wouldn't be in trouble for leaving the children alone.

I hope I am wrong, and that she IS still alive. The above is just my opinions at this time,and will probably change again.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pharlap on February 25, 2009, 07:22:28 AM
Don't know if this has been posted already.... ::MonkeyShocked::
Ilyssa Trussel Talks To Haleigh’s Neighbor Who Heard Noises The Night She Vanished

http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/ilyssa-trussel-talks-to-haleighs-neighbor-who-heard-noises-the-night-she-vanished/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDUDIsp9xQM&eurl=http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/ilyssa-trussel-talks-to-haleighs-neighbor-who-heard-noises-the-night-she-van&feature=player_embedded


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 07:32:00 AM
Don't know if this has been posted already.... ::MonkeyShocked::
Ilyssa Trussel Talks To Haleigh’s Neighbor Who Heard Noises The Night She Vanished

http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/ilyssa-trussel-talks-to-haleighs-neighbor-who-heard-noises-the-night-she-vanished/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDUDIsp9xQM&eurl=http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/ilyssa-trussel-talks-to-haleighs-neighbor-who-heard-noises-the-night-she-van&feature=player_embedded

 ::MonkeyEek:: were the noises before or after 911 came?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: theboyzmom on February 25, 2009, 07:39:06 AM
Don't know if this has been posted already.... ::MonkeyShocked::
Ilyssa Trussel Talks To Haleigh’s Neighbor Who Heard Noises The Night She Vanished

http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/ilyssa-trussel-talks-to-haleighs-neighbor-who-heard-noises-the-night-she-vanished/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDUDIsp9xQM&eurl=http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/ilyssa-trussel-talks-to-haleighs-neighbor-who-heard-noises-the-night-she-van&feature=player_embedded

Interesting. I am sure many people are thinking back and wondering if stuff they heard were normal noises or sounds that should have alerted them to trouble. I know that I got woke up by what I was sure was a gunshot night before last. never did figure out what it was but if something had happened that night I would be asking myself why I did not follow up.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 07:57:49 AM
Don't know if this has been posted already.... ::MonkeyShocked::
Ilyssa Trussel Talks To Haleigh’s Neighbor Who Heard Noises The Night She Vanished

http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/ilyssa-trussel-talks-to-haleighs-neighbor-who-heard-noises-the-night-she-vanished/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDUDIsp9xQM&eurl=http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/ilyssa-trussel-talks-to-haleighs-neighbor-who-heard-noises-the-night-she-van&feature=player_embedded

Interesting. I am sure many people are thinking back and wondering if stuff they heard were normal noises or sounds that should have alerted them to trouble. I know that I got woke up by what I was sure was a gunshot night before last. never did figure out what it was but if something had happened that night I would be asking myself why I did not follow up.

I'm wondering if he meant he heard all the commotion when LE arrived, but I never realized how close the neighbor's house was which leads me back to my earlier question-if you woke up and realized a child was missing and the back door was wide opened why would you stay in the house after searching for HC, I'd grab Jr, run to the neighbors house and call 911 while begging them to help me search......I'd just be too afraid to stay there when you don't know where the perp is...........I've done it before when my daughter was 18 months old~my burglar alarm went off, I grabbed my gun, then my daughter, locked her room door and climbed out her window into the bushes and ran to a neighbors house and called 911 from there and waited for them to arrive and clear the house.......turns out the wind had blown an interior door from the garage open~I was embarrased but I'd still do things the exact same way if it happened today.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pharlap on February 25, 2009, 08:16:34 AM
Don't know if this has been posted already.... ::MonkeyShocked::
Ilyssa Trussel Talks To Haleigh’s Neighbor Who Heard Noises The Night She Vanished

http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/ilyssa-trussel-talks-to-haleighs-neighbor-who-heard-noises-the-night-she-vanished/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDUDIsp9xQM&eurl=http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/ilyssa-trussel-talks-to-haleighs-neighbor-who-heard-noises-the-night-she-van&feature=player_embedded

Interesting. I am sure many people are thinking back and wondering if stuff they heard were normal noises or sounds that should have alerted them to trouble. I know that I got woke up by what I was sure was a gunshot night before last. never did figure out what it was but if something had happened that night I would be asking myself why I did not follow up.

I'm wondering if he meant he heard all the commotion when LE arrived, but I never realized how close the neighbor's house was which leads me back to my earlier question-if you woke up and realized a child was missing and the back door was wide opened why would you stay in the house after searching for HC, I'd grab Jr, run to the neighbors house and call 911 while begging them to help me search......I'd just be too afraid to stay there when you don't know where the perp is...........I've done it before when my daughter was 18 months old~my burglar alarm went off, I grabbed my gun, then my daughter, locked her room door and climbed out her window into the bushes and ran to a neighbors house and called 911 from there and waited for them to arrive and clear the house.......turns out the wind had blown an interior door from the garage open~I was embarrased but I'd still do things the exact same way if it happened today.

I didn't either....Good video to put things in prospective.....huh ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: supersleuth99 on February 25, 2009, 09:27:50 AM
SATSUMA, FL -- With every day Haleigh Cummings is missing, her family begs for help.

"Whoever has Haleigh, please take her to a place where we can find her," Teresa Neves, Haleigh's paternal grandmother said through tears Tuesday.

Before the five-year-old disappeared from her Satsuma home February 10th, there was tension building between her parents.

Court documents show Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, is behind in child support by about $4,100.

A motion was filed by the state's Department of Revenue on Ronald Cummings' behalf against Sheffield for contempt. It was dated February 3rd, a week before Haleigh disappeared.

A hearing was set for Sheffield for March 27.

Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, told first Coast News he received a copy of the document about the hearing the day before Haleigh vanished. Cummings appeared frustrated about the timing of the document's arrival and his daughter's disappearance.

Sheffield's mother, Marie Griffis, said her daughter did not want to discuss the issue.

Griffis said her daughter recently stopped working when she was pregnant with her third child. She said a few months after the baby was born, Sheffield started looking for work has not found a job.

"With this economy, people cannot find a job. She's looked, even at Burger King and McDonald's and at other restaurants," Griffis explained. "People are just not quitting their jobs... and so she can't find a job. It's not that she doesn't want to pay child support, she just can't find a job to pay child support."

Last week, on February 16th, the state signed a dismissal document which cancelled the child support contempt of court hearing until Haleigh is found. The dismissal document was filed in the Putnam County Clerk of Courts office Tuesday.

Meanwhile the investigation continues into what happened to Haleigh. Five Putnam County Sheriff's detectives are assigned to the case.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 09:38:57 AM
Don't know if this has been posted already.... ::MonkeyShocked::
Ilyssa Trussel Talks To Haleigh’s Neighbor Who Heard Noises The Night She Vanished

http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/ilyssa-trussel-talks-to-haleighs-neighbor-who-heard-noises-the-night-she-vanished/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDUDIsp9xQM&eurl=http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/ilyssa-trussel-talks-to-haleighs-neighbor-who-heard-noises-the-night-she-van&feature=player_embedded

Interesting. I am sure many people are thinking back and wondering if stuff they heard were normal noises or sounds that should have alerted them to trouble. I know that I got woke up by what I was sure was a gunshot night before last. never did figure out what it was but if something had happened that night I would be asking myself why I did not follow up.

I'm wondering if he meant he heard all the commotion when LE arrived, but I never realized how close the neighbor's house was which leads me back to my earlier question-if you woke up and realized a child was missing and the back door was wide opened why would you stay in the house after searching for HC, I'd grab Jr, run to the neighbors house and call 911 while begging them to help me search......I'd just be too afraid to stay there when you don't know where the perp is...........I've done it before when my daughter was 18 months old~my burglar alarm went off, I grabbed my gun, then my daughter, locked her room door and climbed out her window into the bushes and ran to a neighbors house and called 911 from there and waited for them to arrive and clear the house.......turns out the wind had blown an interior door from the garage open~I was embarrased but I'd still do things the exact same way if it happened today.

I didn't either....Good video to put things in prospective.....huh ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes, just like everything else in this case~clear as mud ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pharlap on February 25, 2009, 09:44:26 AM
Don't know if this has been posted already.... ::MonkeyShocked::
Ilyssa Trussel Talks To Haleigh’s Neighbor Who Heard Noises The Night She Vanished

http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/ilyssa-trussel-talks-to-haleighs-neighbor-who-heard-noises-the-night-she-vanished/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDUDIsp9xQM&eurl=http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/ilyssa-trussel-talks-to-haleighs-neighbor-who-heard-noises-the-night-she-van&feature=player_embedded

Interesting. I am sure many people are thinking back and wondering if stuff they heard were normal noises or sounds that should have alerted them to trouble. I know that I got woke up by what I was sure was a gunshot night before last. never did figure out what it was but if something had happened that night I would be asking myself why I did not follow up.

I'm wondering if he meant he heard all the commotion when LE arrived, but I never realized how close the neighbor's house was which leads me back to my earlier question-if you woke up and realized a child was missing and the back door was wide opened why would you stay in the house after searching for HC, I'd grab Jr, run to the neighbors house and call 911 while begging them to help me search......I'd just be too afraid to stay there when you don't know where the perp is...........I've done it before when my daughter was 18 months old~my burglar alarm went off, I grabbed my gun, then my daughter, locked her room door and climbed out her window into the bushes and ran to a neighbors house and called 911 from there and waited for them to arrive and clear the house.......turns out the wind had blown an interior door from the garage open~I was embarrased but I'd still do things the exact same way if it happened today.

I didn't either....Good video to put things in prospective.....huh ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes, just like everything else in this case~clear as mud ::MonkeyRoll::
You mean by seeing that the houses(trailers) are so close together doesn't help you??   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 09:51:13 AM
Don't know if this has been posted already.... ::MonkeyShocked::
Ilyssa Trussel Talks To Haleigh’s Neighbor Who Heard Noises The Night She Vanished

http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/ilyssa-trussel-talks-to-haleighs-neighbor-who-heard-noises-the-night-she-vanished/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDUDIsp9xQM&eurl=http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/ilyssa-trussel-talks-to-haleighs-neighbor-who-heard-noises-the-night-she-van&feature=player_embedded

Interesting. I am sure many people are thinking back and wondering if stuff they heard were normal noises or sounds that should have alerted them to trouble. I know that I got woke up by what I was sure was a gunshot night before last. never did figure out what it was but if something had happened that night I would be asking myself why I did not follow up.

I'm wondering if he meant he heard all the commotion when LE arrived, but I never realized how close the neighbor's house was which leads me back to my earlier question-if you woke up and realized a child was missing and the back door was wide opened why would you stay in the house after searching for HC, I'd grab Jr, run to the neighbors house and call 911 while begging them to help me search......I'd just be too afraid to stay there when you don't know where the perp is...........I've done it before when my daughter was 18 months old~my burglar alarm went off, I grabbed my gun, then my daughter, locked her room door and climbed out her window into the bushes and ran to a neighbors house and called 911 from there and waited for them to arrive and clear the house.......turns out the wind had blown an interior door from the garage open~I was embarrased but I'd still do things the exact same way if it happened today.

I didn't either....Good video to put things in prospective.....huh ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes, just like everything else in this case~clear as mud ::MonkeyRoll::
You mean by seeing that the houses(trailers) are so close together doesn't help you??   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

LOl~actually it raised even more questions, I had no idea they were that close.......hmmmm


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 25, 2009, 09:51:19 AM
I woke up this morning with two questions. If Ron is 75% sure who took Haleigh, I'm going to assume maybe threats or other reasons why he feels that way. So Ron why didn't you leave the kids with your mother or other family members when you went to work, instead of Misty? Makes no sense to me. Also Ron's mother on NG is worried about Ron Jr and the person he described that took his sissy, that this person could harm the child because he could identify him. Fine, if this is true why isn't Ron Jr in protective custody instead of living with dad in that motor home? Doesn't add up, does not make sense to me.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pharlap on February 25, 2009, 09:57:43 AM
I woke up this morning with two questions. If Ron is 75% sure who took Haleigh, I'm going to assume maybe threats or other reasons why he feels that way. So Ron why didn't you leave the kids with your mother or other family members when you went to work, instead of Misty? Makes no sense to me. Also Ron's mother on NG is worried about Ron Jr and the person he described that took his sissy, that this person could harm the child because he could identify him. Fine, if this is true why isn't Ron Jr in protective custody instead of living with dad in that motor home? Doesn't add up, does not make sense to me.

Going to throw this in the mix.....
This was re released, that Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, is behind in child support by about $4,100.
I've not seen this person cry at all....
Wonder if she and her friends had anything to do with it.
That's a lot of money and why isn't she in jail for back payments? ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pharlap on February 25, 2009, 09:58:25 AM
I woke up this morning with two questions. If Ron is 75% sure who took Haleigh, I'm going to assume maybe threats or other reasons why he feels that way. So Ron why didn't you leave the kids with your mother or other family members when you went to work, instead of Misty? Makes no sense to me. Also Ron's mother on NG is worried about Ron Jr and the person he described that took his sissy, that this person could harm the child because he could identify him. Fine, if this is true why isn't Ron Jr in protective custody instead of living with dad in that motor home? Doesn't add up, does not make sense to me.

Going to throw this in the mix.....
This was re released, that Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, is behind in child support by about $4,100.
I've not seen this person cry at all....
Wonder if she and her friends had anything to do with it.
That's a lot of money and why isn't she in jail for back payments? ::MonkeyShocked::


oops forgot link......

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 09:59:13 AM
Interesting poll results:

WHO PLAYED A ROLE IN ABDUCTING HALEIGH?

VoteResults


RON & MISTY  21%
MISTY CROSLIN  18%
OTHER FAMILY MEMBER   17%
A NON FAMILY MEMBER  16%
NOT SURE  16%
RON CUMMINGS  8%
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 10:03:42 AM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=132110&provider=top

OT I just want to say "Good Job Maryland"  my state tax dollars at work again!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 25, 2009, 10:04:12 AM
I woke up this morning with two questions. If Ron is 75% sure who took Haleigh, I'm going to assume maybe threats or other reasons why he feels that way. So Ron why didn't you leave the kids with your mother or other family members when you went to work, instead of Misty? Makes no sense to me. Also Ron's mother on NG is worried about Ron Jr and the person he described that took his sissy, that this person could harm the child because he could identify him. Fine, if this is true why isn't Ron Jr in protective custody instead of living with dad in that motor home? Doesn't add up, does not make sense to me.

Going to throw this in the mix.....
This was re released, that Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, is behind in child support by about $4,100.
I've not seen this person cry at all....
Wonder if she and her friends had anything to do with it.
That's a lot of money and why isn't she in jail for back payments? ::MonkeyShocked::

That is a lot of money, but for me that would be really a very desperate action to kidnap one of your kids so not to have to pay. But people certainly do desperate actions all the time, I just don't know, I have my suspicions in all of this, I'm not leaning towards Crystal, but I guess I won't be surprised if it turns out that way.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 10:08:03 AM
I woke up this morning with two questions. If Ron is 75% sure who took Haleigh, I'm going to assume maybe threats or other reasons why he feels that way. So Ron why didn't you leave the kids with your mother or other family members when you went to work, instead of Misty? Makes no sense to me. Also Ron's mother on NG is worried about Ron Jr and the person he described that took his sissy, that this person could harm the child because he could identify him. Fine, if this is true why isn't Ron Jr in protective custody instead of living with dad in that motor home? Doesn't add up, does not make sense to me.

Going to throw this in the mix.....
This was re released, that Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, is behind in child support by about $4,100.
I've not seen this person cry at all....
Wonder if she and her friends had anything to do with it.
That's a lot of money and why isn't she in jail for back payments? ::MonkeyShocked::

That is a lot of money, but for me that would be really a very desperate action to kidnap one of your kids so not to have to pay. But people certainly do desperate actions all the time, I just don't know, I have my suspicions in all of this, I'm not leaning towards Crystal, but I guess I won't be surprised if it turns out that way.

Oh I'm sure if they are late on payments to Ron they are probably late on the other side as well, if Chad is already making payments?   That's child support for 4 children, Ouch.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 25, 2009, 10:08:52 AM
May have already been posted:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3

Child Support Is an Issue between Haleigh's Parents
Posted By: Jessica Clark     Created: 2/24/2009 8:58:26 PM    Updated: 2/25/2009 8:54:08 AM


 
SATSUMA, FL -- With every day Haleigh Cummings is missing, her family begs for help.

"Whoever has Haleigh, please take her to a place where we can find her," Teresa Neves, Haleigh's paternal grandmother said through tears Tuesday.

Before the five-year-old disappeared from her Satsuma home February 10th, there was tension building between her parents.

Court documents show Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, is behind in child support by about $4,100.

A motion was filed by the state's Department of Revenue on Ronald Cummings' behalf against Sheffield for contempt. It was dated February 3rd, a week before Haleigh disappeared.

A hearing was set for Sheffield for March 27.

Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, told first Coast News he received a copy of the document about the hearing the day before Haleigh vanished. Cummings appeared frustrated about the timing of the document's arrival and his daughter's disappearance.

Sheffield's mother, Marie Griffis, said her daughter did not want to discuss the issue.

Griffis said her daughter recently stopped working when she was pregnant with her third child. She said a few months after the baby was born, Sheffield started looking for work has not found a job.

"With this economy, people cannot find a job. She's looked, even at Burger King and McDonald's and at other restaurants," Griffis explained. "People are just not quitting their jobs... and so she can't find a job. It's not that she doesn't want to pay child support, she just can't find a job to pay child support."

Last week, on February 16th, the state signed a dismissal document which cancelled the child support contempt of court hearing until Haleigh is found. The dismissal document was filed in the Putnam County Clerk of Courts office Tuesday.

Meanwhile the investigation continues into what happened to Haleigh. Five Putnam County Sheriff's detectives are assigned to the case.

If you know anything that could help find Haleigh, call 1-877-277-TIPS.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 25, 2009, 10:10:38 AM
Child support for 4 kids, and then the cost of their child together Chloe. Quite expensive. ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 10:10:39 AM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/default.aspx

New Video of Ron at the bottom  it's at the end of the scroll bar, he's in the blue striped shirt we saw him in the first day, but w/blue hat on also.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 25, 2009, 10:11:42 AM
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18786578/detail.html

Tip Leads Detectives To St. Johns Co. In Search For Haleigh
Search For Missing 5-Year-Old Continues

POSTED: Tuesday, February 24, 2009
UPDATED: 6:27 pm EST February 24, 2009

 
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- A tip about a possible Haleigh Cummings sighting led investigators to St. Augustine on Tuesday -- day 15 in the search for the missing 5-year-old girl.

For more than two weeks, detectives have been pouring over the hundreds of leads they've received about Haleigh's disappearance.

On Tuesday morning, officers searched an area in St. Augustine near some railroad tracks around state Road 16 and U.S. Highway 1 after someone called to say he or she saw a man walking with a girl who fit Haleigh's description.

Police eventually located a man in the area who was walking his daughter to school. Still, there was no sign of Haleigh.

Other tips of possible sightings of the missing girl have led investigators on searches as far as Tennessee, where officers searched after receiving a lead that Haleigh was seen getting into a vehicle outside a restaurant. However, like many others, that turned out to be a false lead.

Nonetheless, the responses in both cases show how quickly authorities have been moving when they receive tips about Haleigh.

"They've all been checked, and we've been notified of them. So far, they've all been false sightings, but by all means if people see something they think might be it, they should call and it will be checked wherever they are by the local authorities. You never know when the right one is going to come in," said Capt. Dick Schauland of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office.

"Nobody knows what that one is either, you know? They have to look at everything that comes in," said Haleigh's great-grandmother, Annett Sykes.

Haleigh's family said it believes police have been doing their best to find the missing 5-year-old, and they realize a simple tip from the public could be the key.

Another thing the family discussed on Tuesday was information released by Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, saying the girl's younger brother said he saw a man in black take his sister.

"All he said was, 'I want to find my sissy.' He said something about somebody in black took her. I don’t know if it's true," Sheffield said.

"I don’t know nothing about that. I think that those questions are questions that you should discuss with detectives," said Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings.

Cummings' mother said she feels the same way, and she also said Sheffield's comment will not help police and could hurt her other grandchild.

"Obviously, everybody talked to Junior when this happened. Police and law enforcement are doing their job. For somebody to go out and say that, to me you might have endangered the life of another one of my grandchildren," said Haleigh's grandmother, Teresa Neves.

Police said they would not comment on what was discussed with Haleigh's brother. However, they ask the public to continue to call in any tips because their main focus is finding Haleigh.

Haleigh is described as having blond hair and brown eyes, is 3 feet tall and weighs 39 pounds. She was last seen in the Hermit's Cove area of Satsuma on Feb. 9.

The reward for information regarding Haleigh's whereabouts and/or the conviction of the perpetrator of any crimes stands at $25,500.

Anyone with information about Haleigh's disappearance should call 888-277-TIPS or the FDLE's Missing Endangered Persons Information Clearinghouse at 888-FL-MISSING.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 10:15:30 AM
Chad V. Griffis things that make you go hmmm

http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=267382&rn=0&pi=0&ref=search

http://bakercountypress.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1375&Itemid=79

5 children, I don't know where his marriage stands w/this woman, but it's clearly gives me motive and is interesting.  Why Haleigh?  Cause she is the expensive one, Turner Syndrome, is my assumption for any of them over the other children, probably nothing at all, but that would be motive to me.  I'm leaning towards they are all innocent and an unknown did it or Misty.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 25, 2009, 10:20:15 AM
Sooooooo.... you are behind in your child support payments, fiance is already paying child support supposedly, probably behind in his as well, soooo....you create another child that you can't  afford? No job now....makes perfect sense to me... ::MonkeyNoNo::what the hell ....I wanted more kids than 2 but knew I couldn't afford them
do any of these people get financial aid from the state?


One more thing, does anyone remember when the little boy from Las Vegas I think...was taken from his home because his grand father owed a lot of money to drug dealers? Thank God they let him go after a few weeks....
Perhaps if Ron is an informant, someone took Haleigh for pay back  and will let her go..?
Or Misty or the bio mom owed someone money? retribution?
Hopefully we will get some answers TODAY and she will be found!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 10:22:51 AM
http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/category/florida/

I want to put atleast one gun issue to bed. 

Ronald Cummings denies that claim, although authorities did later recover a gun that was found in a ditch.

Ok, now I'm very sure that if Ronald had other guns in that house LE has already bagged and tagged them, so I would say it's safe to assume any guns in house are taken care of and as the house has been in LE's hands since day one he can no longer get at his guns for retribution.  Oh my!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 25, 2009, 10:23:49 AM
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/columnists/mark_woods/2009-02-25/story/geraldo_faces_his_nightmare
 ::MonkeyCool::

Geraldo faces his nightmare
Story updated at 6:58 AM on Wednesday, Feb. 25, 2009

It's hard to pick a single favorite Geraldo moment.

I'm sure some of you will point to Al Capone's empty vault or the diagram in the Iraq sand. And it's always tempting to go with the show on plastic surgery where Geraldo had fat sucked from his buttocks implanted in his forehead.

But if forced to choose one defining Geraldo Rivera moment, I think I'll go back to the 1990s and a confrontation at a rally with a neo-Nazi named John R. McLaughlin.

I dug up a New York Times story about it. In theory, the goal of the show was to illustrate the absurdity of the rallying skinheads and KKK members. Geraldo accomplishes this by wandering through the crowd, delivering quips like, "Neat outfits you have on." There is (surprise) a confrontation (huge surprise) in which Geraldo punches McLaughlin and ends up getting arrested.

When Geraldo tells viewers about this later - describing blood and sweat dripping down his face - he looks into the camera and deadpans a line that, if delivered by Stephen Colbert today, would be comedy. Only in this case, the guy delivering it was serious.

"A professional nightmare had come true. I had become a part of the story."

Geraldo becoming a part of the story? That's like Madonna making an album that turns controversial. (Actually, that's not fair to Madonna. She likely would admit controversy was part of the plan from the start.)

In his long career, Geraldo has done good stories, important stories. But whatever the story, from war to hurricanes, The Story inevitably seems to be Geraldo.

So was anyone surprised that when Geraldo came to Putnam County, the focus of the Haleigh Cummings story shifted from a missing 5-year-old girl to an omnipresent 65-year-old TV journalist?

You've probably seen the video of Geraldo interviewing Haleigh's father outside the family's trailer. I purposefully describe it that way - Geraldo interviewing Ronald Cummings - because, of course, the video isn't just of Cummings. It is as much about Geraldo asking the questions as it is about Cummings responding to them. And it illustrates that Geraldo came to Florida and accomplished something as difficult as making skinheads look absurd.

He went to a divided, dysfunctional family, two weeks into its own nightmare, and got people to point fingers, hurl accusations and eventually call the police.

Bravo.

Beyond the questions about interview style, there are more significant ones. Like whether some of the allegations tossed out to a national television audience are even true. And whether any of this was relevant to Haleigh's disappearance. Or if it just made for good TV and further fueled message board judges and juries.

Some have defended Geraldo, saying he was getting to the bottom of the story. I'd put it a little differently.

I'd say he got in the middle of the story.

Yes, somehow it happened again. Geraldo's professional nightmare came true.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 10:25:14 AM
Although I've not found one actual news report saying LE found this gun in a ditch....still looking.  I do think it's safe to assume they have the rest.  With all his hunting violations he's probably got more.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 25, 2009, 10:28:58 AM
good article Klaas...

Fatcat....did I miss a comment about Ron's guns and retribution? thought that I had read every post here...humor me and let me see what you are talking about in regards to the guns...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 10:31:15 AM
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=375142511&albumID=77694&imageID=297932

Did you guys see the post left by Misty under Amber's pic w/her baby?  Sorry if repost, I saw the one on her front page, but not the other. 

Ring on Marriage finger - I pointed this out before, but maybe this is why Ron is not paying child support if this is his child?  Does child support stop if you get remarried or is that just some states or adoption of the child?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 25, 2009, 10:34:14 AM
in our state child support does not stop upon a remarriage...I would think that ron would still be responsible for support of Amber's child even if she is married...?
Do we know for sure that ron is not paying support? Is her husband's name on the birth certificate or is ron's? Perhaps if hubby's name is on there, until paternity is proven, no support is ordered? dunno....just asking


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 10:36:55 AM
good article Klaas...

Fatcat....did I miss a comment about Ron's guns and retribution? thought that I had read every post here...humor me and let me see what you are talking about in regards to the guns...

To the police here in the police report and in the 911 call:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4552.0


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 10:40:47 AM
in our state child support does not stop upon a remarriage...I would think that ron would still be responsible for support of Amber's child even if she is married...?
Do we know for sure that ron is not paying support? Is her husband's name on the birth certificate or is ron's? Perhaps if hubby's name is on there, until paternity is proven, no support is ordered? dunno....just asking

I no nothing about child support, merely speculation, and I think from his stand on all these misc. children he has the right attitude let the mothers bring the court order and prove he's the father, he's probably the only one around w/a job!?!  The extent of my knowledge on child support is from 2.5 men show and now my bro is seeking divorce and wants to give 1400.00 a month for my nephew and my SIL thinks that is not enough!?!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 10:41:48 AM
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: I'm so disgusted reading the 54 page custody re-hearing........I guess I shouldn't be surpried by anything anymore, but the judge ask Crystal if she has used drugs......she admitted that she did use cocaine inthe past, then he ask Ron.....

Magistrate: Well, today's our hearing, but you're testifying that you've not used any drugs, and.......

Mr. Cummings: No sir...




When Misty tried to present evidence about the drug allegation regarding Ron driving the kids around under the influence of drugs, he wouldn't accept it because it was heresay.......BUT, this is a direct quote from Ron regarding her cocaine issue "Well, it was said that she had a bad cocaine habit. I had been gone a month to Texas---well, for 18 days, so I wasn't sure and I kept the kids from her. ::MonkeyShocked::



So, that's was admissable and she was honest, her's was not and he was NOT honest by any stretch of the imagination........so, hell-she'd have been better off lyinmg like he did ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 10:46:54 AM
Sooooooo.... you are behind in your child support payments, fiance is already paying child support supposedly, probably behind in his as well, soooo....you create another child that you can't  afford? No job now....makes perfect sense to me... ::MonkeyNoNo::what the hell ....I wanted more kids than 2 but knew I couldn't afford them
do any of these people get financial aid from the state?


One more thing, does anyone remember when the little boy from Las Vegas I think...was taken from his home because his grand father owed a lot of money to drug dealers? Thank God they let him go after a few weeks....
Perhaps if Ron is an informant, someone took Haleigh for pay back  and will let her go..?
Or Misty or the bio mom owed someone money? retribution?
Hopefully we will get some answers TODAY and she will be found!


Cookie I remember this case and we can always hope!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 10:53:33 AM
::MonkeyNoNo:: I'm so disgusted reading the 54 page custody re-hearing........I guess I shouldn't be surpried by anything anymore, but the judge ask Crystal if she has used drugs......she admitted that she did use cocaine inthe past, then he ask Ron.....

Magistrate: Well, today's our hearing, but you're testifying that you've not used any drugs, and.......

Mr. Cummings: No sir...




When Misty tried to present evidence about the drug allegation regarding Ron driving the kids around under the influence of drugs, he wouldn't accept it because it was heresay.......BUT, this is a direct quote from Ron regarding her cocaine issue "Well, it was said that she had a bad cocaine habit. I had been gone a month to Texas---well, for 18 days, so I wasn't sure and I kept the kids from her. ::MonkeyShocked::



So, that's was admissable and she was honest, her's was not and he was NOT honest by any stretch of the imagination........so, hell-she'd have been better off lyinmg like he did ::MonkeyNoNo::



Island,  I agree something is up w/ the way Ron was treated vs Crystal I would love to see records on her to kind of give us a reason why?  But she appears to have not had representation in the custody case IIRC it says something about defense being assigned to her?  And I assume Ron did (get lawyered up)in criminal cases as well as custody?  With his mom working for the Sheriffs office she knows you don't go to court w/out a lawyer. In my state for criminal offenses if you go w/out lawyer you are Fooked!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 25, 2009, 11:00:08 AM
::MonkeyNoNo:: I'm so disgusted reading the 54 page custody re-hearing........I guess I shouldn't be surpried by anything anymore, but the judge ask Crystal if she has used drugs......she admitted that she did use cocaine inthe past, then he ask Ron.....

Magistrate: Well, today's our hearing, but you're testifying that you've not used any drugs, and.......

Mr. Cummings: No sir...




When Misty tried to present evidence about the drug allegation regarding Ron driving the kids around under the influence of drugs, he wouldn't accept it because it was heresay.......BUT, this is a direct quote from Ron regarding her cocaine issue "Well, it was said that she had a bad cocaine habit. I had been gone a month to Texas---well, for 18 days, so I wasn't sure and I kept the kids from her. ::MonkeyShocked::



So, that's was admissable and she was honest, her's was not and he was NOT honest by any stretch of the imagination........so, hell-she'd have been better off lyinmg like he did ::MonkeyNoNo::


Yes, she would have been better off lying. Following cases, and you know with the Anthonys, it doesn't matter if you lie, there seems to be no consequences, so why not lie? I'm beyond frustrated with all of this.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 11:02:48 AM
::MonkeyNoNo:: I'm so disgusted reading the 54 page custody re-hearing........I guess I shouldn't be surpried by anything anymore, but the judge ask Crystal if she has used drugs......she admitted that she did use cocaine inthe past, then he ask Ron.....

Magistrate: Well, today's our hearing, but you're testifying that you've not used any drugs, and.......

Mr. Cummings: No sir...




When Misty tried to present evidence about the drug allegation regarding Ron driving the kids around under the influence of drugs, he wouldn't accept it because it was heresay.......BUT, this is a direct quote from Ron regarding her cocaine issue "Well, it was said that she had a bad cocaine habit. I had been gone a month to Texas---well, for 18 days, so I wasn't sure and I kept the kids from her. ::MonkeyShocked::



So, that's was admissable and she was honest, her's was not and he was NOT honest by any stretch of the imagination........so, hell-she'd have been better off lyinmg like he did ::MonkeyNoNo::



Island,  I agree something is up w/ the way Ron was treated vs Crystal I would love to see records on her to kind of give us a reason why?  But she appears to have not had representation in the custody case IIRC it says something about defense being assigned to her?  And I assume Ron did (get lawyered up)in criminal cases as well as custody?  With his mom working for the Sheriffs office she knows you don't go to court w/out a lawyer. In my state for criminal offenses if you go w/out lawyer you are Fooked!

And to further go into this...Your testifying that you've not used drugs?  Well no not today could be the response to this.  Refute that one, your honor?! 

Also in Geraldo confrontation Ron states "I do not do drugs"  Not "I have not done drugs" or saying that I have past drug usage law problems well only if I was convicted of past drug usage problems, which I'd say according to his record he was not?  So to me he could be stating the truth to both of those issues, sad but true. People who play around w/law know it's all in how you say the words.  Not fair, but true to the best of my knowledge.  I mean w/could go on forever w/ how one states something, but really does not.   I hate law and lawyers sometimes.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 11:15:17 AM
I woke up this morning with two questions. If Ron is 75% sure who took Haleigh, I'm going to assume maybe threats or other reasons why he feels that way. So Ron why didn't you leave the kids with your mother or other family members when you went to work, instead of Misty? Makes no sense to me. Also Ron's mother on NG is worried about Ron Jr and the person he described that took his sissy, that this person could harm the child because he could identify him. Fine, if this is true why isn't Ron Jr in protective custody instead of living with dad in that motor home? Doesn't add up, does not make sense to me.

Going to throw this in the mix.....
This was re released, that Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, is behind in child support by about $4,100.
I've not seen this person cry at all....
Wonder if she and her friends had anything to do with it.
That's a lot of money and why isn't she in jail for back payments? ::MonkeyShocked::


I have, maybe she doesn't on tv...but here ya go~she looks sad to me


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 25, 2009, 11:17:24 AM
Also to go back to this one again, Ron would be subject to random drug tests for the work that he does...Perhaps in different times in his life, he has done drugs but is clean now...have to give him that benefit of the doubt...
agree with Fatcat that at the time asked, he may have been telling the truth...no one would want to be on national tv with your child missing and have to admit to the whole world that you may or may not have taken drugs...Can Geraldo or others honestly say that they have never dabbled? would anyone want that confrontation when your child is missing...words fail me in regards to Geraldo sometimes...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 11:21:48 AM
::MonkeyNoNo:: I'm so disgusted reading the 54 page custody re-hearing........I guess I shouldn't be surpried by anything anymore, but the judge ask Crystal if she has used drugs......she admitted that she did use cocaine inthe past, then he ask Ron.....

Magistrate: Well, today's our hearing, but you're testifying that you've not used any drugs, and.......

Mr. Cummings: No sir...




WhenCrystal tried to present evidence about the drug allegation regarding Ron driving the kids around under the influence of drugs, he wouldn't accept it because it was heresay.......BUT, this is a direct quote from Ron regarding her cocaine issue "Well, it was said that she had a bad cocaine habit. I had been gone a month to Texas---well, for 18 days, so I wasn't sure and I kept the kids from her. ::MonkeyShocked::



So, that's was admissable and she was honest, her's was not and he was NOT honest by any stretch of the imagination........so, hell-she'd have been better off lyinmg like he did ::MonkeyNoNo::



WTH??? My mind is mush, sorry fot the edit.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 11:27:03 AM
::MonkeyNoNo:: I'm so disgusted reading the 54 page custody re-hearing........I guess I shouldn't be surpried by anything anymore, but the judge ask Crystal if she has used drugs......she admitted that she did use cocaine inthe past, then he ask Ron.....

Magistrate: Well, today's our hearing, but you're testifying that you've not used any drugs, and.......

Mr. Cummings: No sir...




When Misty tried to present evidence about the drug allegation regarding Ron driving the kids around under the influence of drugs, he wouldn't accept it because it was heresay.......BUT, this is a direct quote from Ron regarding her cocaine issue "Well, it was said that she had a bad cocaine habit. I had been gone a month to Texas---well, for 18 days, so I wasn't sure and I kept the kids from her. ::MonkeyShocked::



So, that's was admissable and she was honest, her's was not and he was NOT honest by any stretch of the imagination........so, hell-she'd have been better off lyinmg like he did ::MonkeyNoNo::



Island,  I agree something is up w/ the way Ron was treated vs Crystal I would love to see records on her to kind of give us a reason why?  But she appears to have not had representation in the custody case IIRC it says something about defense being assigned to her?  And I assume Ron did (get lawyered up)in criminal cases as well as custody?  With his mom working for the Sheriffs office she knows you don't go to court w/out a lawyer. In my state for criminal offenses if you go w/out lawyer you are Fooked!

I've searched 8 counites for any records on her and only came up with the two I stated earlier ::MonkeyConfused:: .....no, she had no legal representation and the judge admitted at the beginning of the re-hearing that her adress where the original court case hearing being incorrect HAD MERIT, and that is why they were re-hearing the case.

Fooked is right......in my custody case, I'd have never shown up without a lawyer, in fact I conflicted out the top 8 best divorce atty's in town...but, maybe she couldn't afford one. Who knows, it's all so sad - I feel for all the kids brought into these dysfunction families....it is almost like they don't stand a chance ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Searching on February 25, 2009, 11:31:42 AM
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/columnists/mark_woods/2009-02-25/story/geraldo_faces_his_nightmare
 ::MonkeyCool::

Geraldo faces his nightmare
Story updated at 6:58 AM on Wednesday, Feb. 25, 2009

It's hard to pick a single favorite Geraldo moment.

I'm sure some of you will point to Al Capone's empty vault or the diagram in the Iraq sand. And it's always tempting to go with the show on plastic surgery where Geraldo had fat sucked from his buttocks implanted in his forehead.

But if forced to choose one defining Geraldo Rivera moment, I think I'll go back to the 1990s and a confrontation at a rally with a neo-Nazi named John R. McLaughlin.

I dug up a New York Times story about it. In theory, the goal of the show was to illustrate the absurdity of the rallying skinheads and KKK members. Geraldo accomplishes this by wandering through the crowd, delivering quips like, "Neat outfits you have on." There is (surprise) a confrontation (huge surprise) in which Geraldo punches McLaughlin and ends up getting arrested.

When Geraldo tells viewers about this later - describing blood and sweat dripping down his face - he looks into the camera and deadpans a line that, if delivered by Stephen Colbert today, would be comedy. Only in this case, the guy delivering it was serious.

"A professional nightmare had come true. I had become a part of the story."

Geraldo becoming a part of the story? That's like Madonna making an album that turns controversial. (Actually, that's not fair to Madonna. She likely would admit controversy was part of the plan from the start.)

In his long career, Geraldo has done good stories, important stories. But whatever the story, from war to hurricanes, The Story inevitably seems to be Geraldo.

So was anyone surprised that when Geraldo came to Putnam County, the focus of the Haleigh Cummings story shifted from a missing 5-year-old girl to an omnipresent 65-year-old TV journalist?

You've probably seen the video of Geraldo interviewing Haleigh's father outside the family's trailer. I purposefully describe it that way - Geraldo interviewing Ronald Cummings - because, of course, the video isn't just of Cummings. It is as much about Geraldo asking the questions as it is about Cummings responding to them. And it illustrates that Geraldo came to Florida and accomplished something as difficult as making skinheads look absurd.

He went to a divided, dysfunctional family, two weeks into its own nightmare, and got people to point fingers, hurl accusations and eventually call the police.

Bravo.

Beyond the questions about interview style, there are more significant ones. Like whether some of the allegations tossed out to a national television audience are even true. And whether any of this was relevant to Haleigh's disappearance. Or if it just made for good TV and further fueled message board judges and juries.

Some have defended Geraldo, saying he was getting to the bottom of the story. I'd put it a little differently.

I'd say he got in the middle of the story.

Yes, somehow it happened again. Geraldo's professional nightmare came true.



Therefore we can all call him a butt head and be correct.    ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 11:32:25 AM
::MonkeyNoNo:: I'm so disgusted reading the 54 page custody re-hearing........I guess I shouldn't be surpried by anything anymore, but the judge ask Crystal if she has used drugs......she admitted that she did use cocaine inthe past, then he ask Ron.....

Magistrate: Well, today's our hearing, but you're testifying that you've not used any drugs, and.......

Mr. Cummings: No sir...




When Misty tried to present evidence about the drug allegation regarding Ron driving the kids around under the influence of drugs, he wouldn't accept it because it was heresay.......BUT, this is a direct quote from Ron regarding her cocaine issue "Well, it was said that she had a bad cocaine habit. I had been gone a month to Texas---well, for 18 days, so I wasn't sure and I kept the kids from her. ::MonkeyShocked::



So, that's was admissable and she was honest, her's was not and he was NOT honest by any stretch of the imagination........so, hell-she'd have been better off lyinmg like he did ::MonkeyNoNo::



Island,  I agree something is up w/ the way Ron was treated vs Crystal I would love to see records on her to kind of give us a reason why?  But she appears to have not had representation in the custody case IIRC it says something about defense being assigned to her?  And I assume Ron did (get lawyered up)in criminal cases as well as custody?  With his mom working for the Sheriffs office she knows you don't go to court w/out a lawyer. In my state for criminal offenses if you go w/out lawyer you are Fooked!

And to further go into this...Your testifying that you've not used drugs?  Well no not today could be the response to this.  Refute that one, your honor?! 

Also in Geraldo confrontation Ron states "I do not do drugs"  Not "I have not done drugs" or saying that I have past drug usage law problems well only if I was convicted of past drug usage problems, which I'd say according to his record he was not?  So to me he could be stating the truth to both of those issues, sad but true. People who play around w/law know it's all in how you say the words.  Not fair, but true to the best of my knowledge.  I mean w/could go on forever w/ how one states something, but really does not.   I hate law and lawyers sometimes.

That's the d@mn truth, but this was DIRECTLY after his arrest in Sarasota county on multiple drug charges. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 25, 2009, 11:33:33 AM
quote:  Therefore we can all call him a butt head and be correct.   


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 11:42:55 AM
You know I've been thinking about this polygraph goes to Washington Issue and I think it is only because the FBI is involved....

Also in regards to Mark Klaas statements on polygraphs he first said they came out and told him he passed with flying colors is I believe his exact wording but it still had to be sent to Washington.

Now in the missing 14 y/o girl case ongoing right now in Escondido CA, she may not meet the age level requirement for FBI involvement that is why everyone in that case is clearly stating they have already passed the poly and no need to go to Washington?

So it may be ok to accept some of people in this case stating that they were told they passed??  IDK looking further into this Poly goes to Washington issue.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 11:52:07 AM
You know I've been thinking about this polygraph goes to Washington Issue and I think it is only because the FBI is involved....

Also in regards to Mark Klaas statements on polygraphs he first said they came out and told him he passed with flying colors is I believe his exact wording but it still had to be sent to Washington.

Now in the missing 14 y/o girl case ongoing right now in Escondido CA, she may not meet the age level requirement for FBI involvement that is why everyone in that case is clearly stating they have already passed the poly and no need to go to Washington?

So it may be ok to accept some of people in this case stating that they were told they passed??  IDK looking further into this Poly goes to Washington issue.

Not exactly~I was paying special attn to his words:

Back to Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation. Marc, when you took the polygraph when your daughter went missing, how many questions were you asked?

KLAAS: Well, actually, they told me the questions that they were going to ask me in advance. And if I remember correctly, they probably only asked me somewhere between about 10 and 20 questions. And at the conclusion of the polygraph -- and mind you, this was done by a very experienced FBI polygrapher. At the conclusion of the exam, one of the agents came in and said, Well, that went very well. And that basically is as close that anybody came to telling me that I had passed the exam.


Also, I posted here 2 days ago that polygraphs done by the FBI aren't OFFICIAL until cleared by Washington


another note from the show last night:

GRACE: Straight to T.J. Hart, news director with WSKY 97.3. Mr. Hart, all the family is telling me they have all taken and passed polygraphs, some of them multiple polygraphs. So why is it, T.J., that police, the lead investigator, says that nobody has been cleared?

T.J. HART, WSKY 97.3: That`s because the polygraph examinations are also sent elsewhere, too, and the results of those are never given, to my understanding, to the person who takes them. No one has been informed directly that they have passed or not passed. I don`t know why anyone would say that unless someone said, you know, We`re through here and it looks good...



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 11:53:21 AM
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/columnists/mark_woods/2009-02-25/story/geraldo_faces_his_nightmare
 ::MonkeyCool::

Geraldo faces his nightmare
Story updated at 6:58 AM on Wednesday, Feb. 25, 2009

It's hard to pick a single favorite Geraldo moment.

I'm sure some of you will point to Al Capone's empty vault or the diagram in the Iraq sand. And it's always tempting to go with the show on plastic surgery where Geraldo had fat sucked from his buttocks implanted in his forehead.

But if forced to choose one defining Geraldo Rivera moment, I think I'll go back to the 1990s and a confrontation at a rally with a neo-Nazi named John R. McLaughlin.

I dug up a New York Times story about it. In theory, the goal of the show was to illustrate the absurdity of the rallying skinheads and KKK members. Geraldo accomplishes this by wandering through the crowd, delivering quips like, "Neat outfits you have on." There is (surprise) a confrontation (huge surprise) in which Geraldo punches McLaughlin and ends up getting arrested.

When Geraldo tells viewers about this later - describing blood and sweat dripping down his face - he looks into the camera and deadpans a line that, if delivered by Stephen Colbert today, would be comedy. Only in this case, the guy delivering it was serious.

"A professional nightmare had come true. I had become a part of the story."

Geraldo becoming a part of the story? That's like Madonna making an album that turns controversial. (Actually, that's not fair to Madonna. She likely would admit controversy was part of the plan from the start.)

In his long career, Geraldo has done good stories, important stories. But whatever the story, from war to hurricanes, The Story inevitably seems to be Geraldo.

So was anyone surprised that when Geraldo came to Putnam County, the focus of the Haleigh Cummings story shifted from a missing 5-year-old girl to an omnipresent 65-year-old TV journalist?

You've probably seen the video of Geraldo interviewing Haleigh's father outside the family's trailer. I purposefully describe it that way - Geraldo interviewing Ronald Cummings - because, of course, the video isn't just of Cummings. It is as much about Geraldo asking the questions as it is about Cummings responding to them. And it illustrates that Geraldo came to Florida and accomplished something as difficult as making skinheads look absurd.

He went to a divided, dysfunctional family, two weeks into its own nightmare, and got people to point fingers, hurl accusations and eventually call the police.

Bravo.

Beyond the questions about interview style, there are more significant ones. Like whether some of the allegations tossed out to a national television audience are even true. And whether any of this was relevant to Haleigh's disappearance. Or if it just made for good TV and further fueled message board judges and juries.

Some have defended Geraldo, saying he was getting to the bottom of the story. I'd put it a little differently.

I'd say he got in the middle of the story.

Yes, somehow it happened again. Geraldo's professional nightmare came true.



Therefore we can all call him a butt head and be correct.    ::MonkeyDance::

To me the only bright part of this video is an unperturbed Ronald Cummings continuing ahead to the camera and us and stating that he just wanted his daughter back!  Not that I am handing out awards to any of these people, but in my eyes he has been the most persistant w/getting the message out and trying to keep the focus on Haleigh in the media.  All the other past/new crime stuff should be kept between the family and the "Detectives".  However I do so enjoy sleuthing out all their business!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 12:00:49 PM
You know I've been thinking about this polygraph goes to Washington Issue and I think it is only because the FBI is involved....

Also in regards to Mark Klaas statements on polygraphs he first said they came out and told him he passed with flying colors is I believe his exact wording but it still had to be sent to Washington.

Now in the missing 14 y/o girl case ongoing right now in Escondido CA, she may not meet the age level requirement for FBI involvement that is why everyone in that case is clearly stating they have already passed the poly and no need to go to Washington?

So it may be ok to accept some of people in this case stating that they were told they passed??  IDK looking further into this Poly goes to Washington issue.

Not exactly~I was paying special attn to his words:

Back to Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation. Marc, when you took the polygraph when your daughter went missing, how many questions were you asked?

KLAAS: Well, actually, they told me the questions that they were going to ask me in advance. And if I remember correctly, they probably only asked me somewhere between about 10 and 20 questions. And at the conclusion of the polygraph -- and mind you, this was done by a very experienced FBI polygrapher. At the conclusion of the exam, one of the agents came in and said, Well, that went very well. And that basically is as close that anybody came to telling me that I had passed the exam.


Also, I posted here 2 days ago that polygraphs done by the FBI aren't OFFICIAL until cleared by Washington


another note from the show last night:

GRACE: Straight to T.J. Hart, news director with WSKY 97.3. Mr. Hart, all the family is telling me they have all taken and passed polygraphs, some of them multiple polygraphs. So why is it, T.J., that police, the lead investigator, says that nobody has been cleared?

T.J. HART, WSKY 97.3: That`s because the polygraph examinations are also sent elsewhere, too, and the results of those are never given, to my understanding, to the person who takes them. No one has been informed directly that they have passed or not passed. I don`t know why anyone would say that unless someone said, you know, We`re through here and it looks good...



So still w/all that said if the poly examiner comes out & makes a remark to the fact that I passed I would assume I passed, unless of course I had to take it multiple times and the same questions were asked repeatedly in interviews w/out the poly as in the case of Misty.  Just how I would see it and I don't plan on ever ending up in jail.  It's very interesting that this other girls family are claiming they passed also, but misconceptions going around about poly's. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 25, 2009, 12:09:02 PM
How in the world of all the years of watching Geraldo did I miss the sucking of fat from his buttocks and put into his forehead, that sounds like a must see show. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 12:28:25 PM
You know I've been thinking about this polygraph goes to Washington Issue and I think it is only because the FBI is involved....

Also in regards to Mark Klaas statements on polygraphs he first said they came out and told him he passed with flying colors is I believe his exact wording but it still had to be sent to Washington.

Now in the missing 14 y/o girl case ongoing right now in Escondido CA, she may not meet the age level requirement for FBI involvement that is why everyone in that case is clearly stating they have already passed the poly and no need to go to Washington?

So it may be ok to accept some of people in this case stating that they were told they passed??  IDK looking further into this Poly goes to Washington issue.

Not exactly~I was paying special attn to his words:

Back to Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation. Marc, when you took the polygraph when your daughter went missing, how many questions were you asked?

KLAAS: Well, actually, they told me the questions that they were going to ask me in advance. And if I remember correctly, they probably only asked me somewhere between about 10 and 20 questions. And at the conclusion of the polygraph -- and mind you, this was done by a very experienced FBI polygrapher. At the conclusion of the exam, one of the agents came in and said, Well, that went very well. And that basically is as close that anybody came to telling me that I had passed the exam.


Also, I posted here 2 days ago that polygraphs done by the FBI aren't OFFICIAL until cleared by Washington


another note from the show last night:

GRACE: Straight to T.J. Hart, news director with WSKY 97.3. Mr. Hart, all the family is telling me they have all taken and passed polygraphs, some of them multiple polygraphs. So why is it, T.J., that police, the lead investigator, says that nobody has been cleared?

T.J. HART, WSKY 97.3: That`s because the polygraph examinations are also sent elsewhere, too, and the results of those are never given, to my understanding, to the person who takes them. No one has been informed directly that they have passed or not passed. I don`t know why anyone would say that unless someone said, you know, We`re through here and it looks good...



So still w/all that said if the poly examiner comes out & makes a remark to the fact that I passed I would assume I passed, unless of course I had to take it multiple times and the same questions were asked repeatedly in interviews w/out the poly as in the case of Misty.  Just how I would see it and I don't plan on ever ending up in jail.  It's very interesting that this other girls family are claiming they passed also, but misconceptions going around about poly's. 
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I'm confoozled~what other girls family ?? Are you talking about Crystal, because she was very frank with what they told her after her interview..........who is they?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 12:30:25 PM
You know I've been thinking about this polygraph goes to Washington Issue and I think it is only because the FBI is involved....

Also in regards to Mark Klaas statements on polygraphs he first said they came out and told him he passed with flying colors is I believe his exact wording but it still had to be sent to Washington.

Now in the missing 14 y/o girl case ongoing right now in Escondido CA, she may not meet the age level requirement for FBI involvement that is why everyone in that case is clearly stating they have already passed the poly and no need to go to Washington?

So it may be ok to accept some of people in this case stating that they were told they passed??  IDK looking further into this Poly goes to Washington issue.

Not exactly~I was paying special attn to his words:

Back to Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation. Marc, when you took the polygraph when your daughter went missing, how many questions were you asked?

KLAAS: Well, actually, they told me the questions that they were going to ask me in advance. And if I remember correctly, they probably only asked me somewhere between about 10 and 20 questions. And at the conclusion of the polygraph -- and mind you, this was done by a very experienced FBI polygrapher. At the conclusion of the exam, one of the agents came in and said, Well, that went very well. And that basically is as close that anybody came to telling me that I had passed the exam.


Also, I posted here 2 days ago that polygraphs done by the FBI aren't OFFICIAL until cleared by Washington


another note from the show last night:

GRACE: Straight to T.J. Hart, news director with WSKY 97.3. Mr. Hart, all the family is telling me they have all taken and passed polygraphs, some of them multiple polygraphs. So why is it, T.J., that police, the lead investigator, says that nobody has been cleared?

T.J. HART, WSKY 97.3: That`s because the polygraph examinations are also sent elsewhere, too, and the results of those are never given, to my understanding, to the person who takes them. No one has been informed directly that they have passed or not passed. I don`t know why anyone would say that unless someone said, you know, We`re through here and it looks good...



So still w/all that said if the poly examiner comes out & makes a remark to the fact that I passed I would assume I passed, unless of course I had to take it multiple times and the same questions were asked repeatedly in interviews w/out the poly as in the case of Misty.  Just how I would see it and I don't plan on ever ending up in jail.  It's very interesting that this other girls family are claiming they passed also, but misconceptions going around about poly's. 
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I'm confoozled~what other girls family ?? Are you talking about Crystal, because she was very frank with what they told her after her interview..........who is they?

 ::MonkeyConfused:: Nevermind on the confoozled remark.I misread your post ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 12:53:02 PM
Island no, a newly missing 14y/o in Escondido California, what I am trying to get at is it seems silly to me also to say Washington DC when there are 56 field offices of the FBI in the US with several offices much closer to Florida.  I know the main headquarters is in Washington/DC - DC as I call it and Poly's are sent their on special requests from local/state police, but only at special request and mainly poly's that are in question or done by outside agencies/poly examiner's which they will not accept examples: Gary Coduit, Football player busted for dog fighting (I don't remember name).  I am just trying to understand the DC statement in general.  And not Crystals poly in particular, I just don't understand when the FBI has 56 field offices it would need to go to DC to get confirmation of pass/fail, it just seems silly to me.  The examiner who gave the test is qualified to give it and read it is my understanding..

FAQ on the FBI website:

What does the FBI do with information and evidence gathered during an investigation?

If a possible violation of federal law under the jurisdiction of the FBI has occurred, the FBI will conduct an investigation. The information and evidence gathered in the course of that investigation are then presented to the appropriate U.S. Attorney or Department of Justice official who will determine whether or not prosecution or further action is warranted. Depending on the outcome of the investigation, evidence is either returned or retained for court.

Sent because one may be guilty?

If a child is missing and possibly kidnapped, but no interstate transportation is known, will the FBI begin an investigation?
Yes. The FBI will initiate a kidnapping investigation involving a missing child "of tender years" even though there is no known interstate aspect. "Tender years" is generally defined as a child twelve years or younger. The FBI will monitor other kidnapping situations when there is no evidence of interstate travel, and it offers assistance from various entities including the FBI Laboratory.

This answers the question on the polys in the Escondido, CA missing 14 y/o where family is stating they all passed Poly's No FBI involvement she's not in her tender years.

Does the FBI Laboratory conduct examinations of evidence for anyone other than the FBI?
Yes. In addition to performing examinations for its own cases, the FBI Laboratory conducts scientific examinations of evidence, free of charge, for any duly constituted federal, state, and/or local law enforcement organization within the United States. Such services also may be made available to foreign law enforcement agencies under special agreement between the Attorney General and the Secretary of State.

Free of charge sticks out to me.  so they could be sending them there to get the Fed to cover the bill, simple as that.

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/cac/crimesmain.htm


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 01:29:52 PM
Island no, a newly missing 14y/o in Escondido California, what I am trying to get at is it seems silly to me also to say Washington DC when there are 56 field offices of the FBI in the US with several offices much closer to Florida.  I know the main headquarters is in Washington/DC - DC as I call it and Poly's are sent their on special requests from local/state police, but only at special request and mainly poly's that are in question or done by outside agencies/poly examiner's which they will not accept examples: Gary Coduit, Football player busted for dog fighting (I don't remember name).  I am just trying to understand the DC statement in general.  And not Crystals poly in particular, I just don't understand when the FBI has 56 field offices it would need to go to DC to get confirmation of pass/fail, it just seems silly to me.  The examiner who gave the test is qualified to give it and read it is my understanding..

FAQ on the FBI website:

What does the FBI do with information and evidence gathered during an investigation?

If a possible violation of federal law under the jurisdiction of the FBI has occurred, the FBI will conduct an investigation. The information and evidence gathered in the course of that investigation are then presented to the appropriate U.S. Attorney or Department of Justice official who will determine whether or not prosecution or further action is warranted. Depending on the outcome of the investigation, evidence is either returned or retained for court.

Sent because one may be guilty?

If a child is missing and possibly kidnapped, but no interstate transportation is known, will the FBI begin an investigation?
Yes. The FBI will initiate a kidnapping investigation involving a missing child "of tender years" even though there is no known interstate aspect. "Tender years" is generally defined as a child twelve years or younger. The FBI will monitor other kidnapping situations when there is no evidence of interstate travel, and it offers assistance from various entities including the FBI Laboratory.

This answers the question on the polys in the Escondido, CA missing 14 y/o where family is stating they all passed Poly's No FBI involvement she's not in her tender years.

Does the FBI Laboratory conduct examinations of evidence for anyone other than the FBI?
Yes. In addition to performing examinations for its own cases, the FBI Laboratory conducts scientific examinations of evidence, free of charge, for any duly constituted federal, state, and/or local law enforcement organization within the United States. Such services also may be made available to foreign law enforcement agencies under special agreement between the Attorney General and the Secretary of State.

Free of charge sticks out to me.  so they could be sending them there to get the Fed to cover the bill, simple as that.

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/cac/crimesmain.htm


OR, they could be just telling them that they are being sent out.........that way, they might not lawyer up......so much BS in this case is driving me nuts. That free of charge thing is odd~we all know the government doesn't really do anything free of charge, we the taxpayers cover it.

The article I pointed out never said that the examiner wasn't qualified, it just states that results weren't official under reviewed in Washington.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 01:37:35 PM
FBI Laboratory Home Page in DC

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/labhome.htm  See FBI Questioned Documents under Forensic Analysis, but only do so if you are really bored!  Ha! Ha!

I just do not see polygraphs on the list or in the manual for evidence sent to the FBI for further examination from local/state agencies.  Things that make you hmmm, yet I know they do at special request as I said,  Gary Condit, Michael Vick(football player), Anthrax Dr. who mailed to Senate Hart bldg. but this is after some one does the exam and has questionable results.

State/County/Local police all give polygraphs and results if the equipment is available.  Anyway I think I helped beat this dead horse enough.  Cause if they told all of them they passed, they probably passed and for some ODD reason need to go to DC to get confirmation.

According to the various state licensing laws and the American Polygraph Association's Standards and Principles of Practice, polygraph results can be released only to authorized persons. Generally those individuals who can receive test results are the examinee, and anyone specifically designated in writing by the examinee, the person, firm, corporation or governmental agency which requested the examination, and others as may be required by due process of law.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 25, 2009, 02:10:57 PM
This is cool:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=132090&catid=295

(http://www.firstcoastnews.com/genthumb.ashx?e=3&h=240&w=320&i=/assetpool/images/090224044041_022409_angela1.jpg)

Signs for Haleigh Cover the First Coast
Posted By: Angela Williams     20 hrs ago


JACKSONVILLE, FL -- It's a picture you've seen all across the news. Now you'll see it a little more. From the backs of businesses, to the sides of trucks, Haleigh Cummings' picture will be there.

John Arwood may not be able to search the First Coast himself, but he owns and operates 4000 dumpsters and a fleet of utility trucks through Arwood Waste & Demolition. They travel all over, and now so will Haleigh's picture.

"There's thousands of people looking, but I can do one thing, is to get a picture out, all over the city, all over the county, northeast Florida, to southeast Georgia. I can do that to help find her," says Arwood.

To get the sign out there, Arwood called a friend. Steve Hunt owns Signs of All Kinds. When Arwood asked about ordering the signs, Hunt said he'd do it for free and went right to work.

"We need eyes everywhere to find this little girl. By making these stickers and putting her picture out everywhere, that's eyes looking at her. Hopefully somebody will recognize her and lead to her being found safe," says Hunt.

It's something both of these fathers and grandfathers say is a no-brainer. They want to help search for Haleigh, and they can do that by using tools of their trade.

"I've got grandkids and great-grandchildren, so I do not want this to happen to any of them if they come up missing," says Arwood.

Steve Hunt says he will print out signs and give them to anyone who wants one for free. For more information, call Signs of All Kinds at 904-707-6416.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Weeble on February 25, 2009, 02:51:10 PM
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/columnists/mark_woods/2009-02-25/story/geraldo_faces_his_nightmare
 ::MonkeyCool::

Geraldo faces his nightmare
Story updated at 6:58 AM on Wednesday, Feb. 25, 2009

It's hard to pick a single favorite Geraldo moment.

I'm sure some of you will point to Al Capone's empty vault or the diagram in the Iraq sand. And it's always tempting to go with the show on plastic surgery where Geraldo had fat sucked from his buttocks implanted in his forehead.

But if forced to choose one defining Geraldo Rivera moment, I think I'll go back to the 1990s and a confrontation at a rally with a neo-Nazi named John R. McLaughlin.

I dug up a New York Times story about it. In theory, the goal of the show was to illustrate the absurdity of the rallying skinheads and KKK members. Geraldo accomplishes this by wandering through the crowd, delivering quips like, "Neat outfits you have on." There is (surprise) a confrontation (huge surprise) in which Geraldo punches McLaughlin and ends up getting arrested.

When Geraldo tells viewers about this later - describing blood and sweat dripping down his face - he looks into the camera and deadpans a line that, if delivered by Stephen Colbert today, would be comedy. Only in this case, the guy delivering it was serious.

"A professional nightmare had come true. I had become a part of the story."

Geraldo becoming a part of the story? That's like Madonna making an album that turns controversial. (Actually, that's not fair to Madonna. She likely would admit controversy was part of the plan from the start.)

In his long career, Geraldo has done good stories, important stories. But whatever the story, from war to hurricanes, The Story inevitably seems to be Geraldo.

So was anyone surprised that when Geraldo came to Putnam County, the focus of the Haleigh Cummings story shifted from a missing 5-year-old girl to an omnipresent 65-year-old TV journalist?

You've probably seen the video of Geraldo interviewing Haleigh's father outside the family's trailer. I purposefully describe it that way - Geraldo interviewing Ronald Cummings - because, of course, the video isn't just of Cummings. It is as much about Geraldo asking the questions as it is about Cummings responding to them. And it illustrates that Geraldo came to Florida and accomplished something as difficult as making skinheads look absurd.

He went to a divided, dysfunctional family, two weeks into its own nightmare, and got people to point fingers, hurl accusations and eventually call the police.

Bravo.

Beyond the questions about interview style, there are more significant ones. Like whether some of the allegations tossed out to a national television audience are even true. And whether any of this was relevant to Haleigh's disappearance. Or if it just made for good TV and further fueled message board judges and juries.

Some have defended Geraldo, saying he was getting to the bottom of the story. I'd put it a little differently.

I'd say he got in the middle of the story.

Yes, somehow it happened again. Geraldo's professional nightmare came true.



Therefore we can all call him a butt head and be correct.    ::MonkeyDance:: 


 ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Great article Klaas and super one-liner Searching!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 03:04:03 PM
http://www.clipsyndicate.com/publish/video/846128/week_two_in_the_search_for_haleigh

2.15 tells why they are keeping the trailer as a crime scene this long and will continue to hold it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 25, 2009, 03:10:23 PM
How in the world of all the years of watching Geraldo did I miss the sucking of fat from his buttocks and put into his forehead, that sounds like a must see show. ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 03:18:20 PM
http://www.clipsyndicate.com/publish/video/847574/brother_s_story_inconsistent

Another video I had not seen until now, new Haleigh pic's and more info about Jr waking up to Ronald & Misty yelling for Haleigh?!  Grandmom Sykes says she was there w/20minutes of discovery of Haleigh missing?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 03:31:15 PM
http://www.clipsyndicate.com/publish/video/847568/search_for_haleigh_haleigh_s_brother

They did tell Junior that Haleigh was gone and they don't know where and that they are looking for her...I know there was some question about him just coming up w/ a  story of a man in black, but it appears he was told his Sissy is missing.  Very sad. 

It seems Putnam County news puts there clips here on this site.  Just put Haleigh's name in the search and all the vid's come up.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: bikerbev on February 25, 2009, 03:54:38 PM
I don't know if this has been posted, but it's rumored (or said) that this girl has Ron's baby.  http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511

The comment under the picture is this:  November 14, 2008 3:52 PM
b*tch i got ur man and i will have ur baby to.

That comment is linked back to "please bring Haliegh home"--female 17 years old palatka, fl.  Any guess who it might be? JK 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 04:00:32 PM
I have a question for anyone in general who knows or perhaps someone who is in LE related work.

Is it permissible for LE to state "mis-truths" (TM Cindy Anthony)  ::MonkeyLaugh::  to people being questioned if it's deemed in the best interest of discovery or if it serves LE's purposes for some reason known only to them?

IOW, can LE lie directly or by omission or by implication in order to further their goal? For example, if person A failed a poly and person B, C, and D etc passed, can they tell them all that  they "don't know" and that they "have to send it to Cornhole, Wherever, for results" in order to stall for time or whatever reason that may have?

Or perhaps the purpose could be not to share the results with all of them and treat them all equally as far as info and "the story" are concerned so as not to single Person A.... by Person A being the only one not told.

Point being, could it be that maybe they don't want Person A (or whoever) to lawyer up or freak out or bolt and head for the hills b/c LE knows they have nothing concrete at the moment with which to hold this person? 

My question, long story long, is this. Is LE obligated legally to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth to people they're questioning who may or may not be involved in a case while they're trying to determine who did what when? Or do they have to tell the truth only in a semantic sense, but can they mince their words to convey an implication?

For example like when someone says hypothetically to a presumed suspect or POI,  "What if I told you we have your DNA all over the scene?" Well, they're not technically saying that they do have their DNA b/c it was phrased as, "What if I told you;"  But someone, particularly if involved, guilty, or under stress, could theoretically "hear" it wrong and infer that their DNA is indeed "all over the scene" and think that the jig is up.

I didn't say that well, but my question is in there somewhere.    ::MonkeyRoll::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 04:14:51 PM
I don't know if this has been posted, but it's rumored (or said) that this girl has Ron's baby.  http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511

The comment under the picture is this:  November 14, 2008 3:52 PM
b*tch i got ur man and i will have ur baby to.

That comment is linked back to "please bring Haliegh home"--female 17 years old palatka, fl.  Any guess who it might be? JK 

Amber is the 17yr baby mama to Ron's other child, and the b!tch comment was from Misty, Ron's 17 yr old, sex partner, maid, babysitter, cook etc.......you know the one whose stories change like we change socks ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: bikerbev on February 25, 2009, 04:15:58 PM
I have a question for anyone in general who knows or perhaps someone who is in LE related work.

Is it permissible for LE to state "mis-truths" (TM Cindy Anthony)  ::MonkeyLaugh::  to people being questioned if it's deemed in the best interest of discovery or if it serves LE's purposes for some reason known only to them?

IOW, can LE lie directly or by omission or by implication in order to further their goal? For example, if person A failed a poly and person B, C, and D etc passed, can they tell them all that  they "don't know" and that they "have to send it to Cornhole, Wherever, for results" in order to stall for time or whatever reason that may have?

Or perhaps the purpose could be not to share the results with all of them and treat them all equally as far as info and "the story" are concerned so as not to single Person A.... by Person A being the only one not told.

Point being, could it be that maybe they don't want Person A (or whoever) to lawyer up or freak out or bolt and head for the hills b/c LE knows they have nothing concrete at the moment with which to hold this person? 

My question, long story long, is this. Is LE obligated legally to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth to people they're questioning who may or may not be involved in a case while they're trying to determine who did what when? Or do they have to tell the truth only in a semantic sense, but can they mince their words to convey an implication?

For example like when someone says hypothetically to a presumed suspect or POI,  "What if I told you we have your DNA all over the scene?" Well, they're not technically saying that they do have their DNA b/c it was phrased as, "What if I told you;"  But someone, particularly if involved, guilty, or under stress, could theoretically "hear" it wrong and infer that their DNA is indeed "all over the scene" and think that the jig is up.

I didn't say that well, but my question is in there somewhere.    ::MonkeyRoll::


Rana.....no, law enforcement does not have to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth when questioning or dealing with suspects.  If they did, that would be laying all their cards on the table for the suspects to see.  If LE has to testify in court, then of course they have to tell the truth, but they don't when interviewing suspects or persons of interest, and I even imagine they don't have to tell people who take lie detectors tests the results.  They didn't tell Mr. Klass he had passed. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 04:17:03 PM
I have a question for anyone in general who knows or perhaps someone who is in LE related work.

Is it permissible for LE to state "mis-truths" (TM Cindy Anthony)  ::MonkeyLaugh::  to people being questioned if it's deemed in the best interest of discovery or if it serves LE's purposes for some reason known only to them?

IOW, can LE lie directly or by omission or by implication in order to further their goal? For example, if person A failed a poly and person B, C, and D etc passed, can they tell them all that  they "don't know" and that they "have to send it to Cornhole, Wherever, for results" in order to stall for time or whatever reason that may have?

Or perhaps the purpose could be not to share the results with all of them and treat them all equally as far as info and "the story" are concerned so as not to single Person A.... by Person A being the only one not told.

Point being, could it be that maybe they don't want Person A (or whoever) to lawyer up or freak out or bolt and head for the hills b/c LE knows they have nothing concrete at the moment with which to hold this person? 

My question, long story long, is this. Is LE obligated legally to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth to people they're questioning who may or may not be involved in a case while they're trying to determine who did what when?  Or do they have to tell the truth only in a semantic sense, but can they mince their words to convey an implication?

For example like when someone says hypothetically to a presumed suspect or POI,  "What if I told you we have your DNA all over the scene?" Well, they're not technically saying that they do have their DNA b/c it was phrased as, "What if I told you;"  But someone, particularly if involved, guilty, or under stress, could theoretically "hear" it wrong and infer that their DNA is indeed "all over the scene" and think that the jig is up.

I didn't say that well, but my question is in there somewhere.    ::MonkeyRoll::



Hey girl~short answer is no.....they can mislead you when you are being questioned, it's a pretty common practice before someone lawyers up ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 04:26:26 PM
Does anyone know for sure that the FBI has come in on this case?

Or if they did come in, are they still in?

I don't know what their website protocol is of course, but I cant find Haleigh here under the child cases, missing, kidnapped...etc.

Maybe it's right under my nose and I missed her, but I couldn't find her on the national site. FWIW, I believe the Putnam County (and Baker County too for that matter) are covered under the Jacksonville field office's domain. Maybe I should check there.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/kidmiss.htm (http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/kidmiss.htm)









Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 04:28:07 PM
http://www.clipsyndicate.com/publish/video/847574/brother_s_story_inconsistent

Another video I had not seen until now, new Haleigh pic's and more info about Jr waking up to Ronald & Misty yelling for Haleigh?!  Grandmom Sykes says she was there w/20minutes of discovery of Haleigh missing?

Well~I take it with a grain of salt......they know people are asking questions, they even showed them in the tent looking at websites, probably just like another family out there. I'd love to hear from neighbors, LE if he was or wasn't awake ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 04:29:07 PM
I have a question for anyone in general who knows or perhaps someone who is in LE related work.

Is it permissible for LE to state "mis-truths" (TM Cindy Anthony)  ::MonkeyLaugh::  to people being questioned if it's deemed in the best interest of discovery or if it serves LE's purposes for some reason known only to them?

IOW, can LE lie directly or by omission or by implication in order to further their goal? For example, if person A failed a poly and person B, C, and D etc passed, can they tell them all that  they "don't know" and that they "have to send it to Cornhole, Wherever, for results" in order to stall for time or whatever reason that may have?

Or perhaps the purpose could be not to share the results with all of them and treat them all equally as far as info and "the story" are concerned so as not to single Person A.... by Person A being the only one not told.

Point being, could it be that maybe they don't want Person A (or whoever) to lawyer up or freak out or bolt and head for the hills b/c LE knows they have nothing concrete at the moment with which to hold this person? 

My question, long story long, is this. Is LE obligated legally to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth to people they're questioning who may or may not be involved in a case while they're trying to determine who did what when?  Or do they have to tell the truth only in a semantic sense, but can they mince their words to convey an implication?

For example like when someone says hypothetically to a presumed suspect or POI,  "What if I told you we have your DNA all over the scene?" Well, they're not technically saying that they do have their DNA b/c it was phrased as, "What if I told you;"  But someone, particularly if involved, guilty, or under stress, could theoretically "hear" it wrong and infer that their DNA is indeed "all over the scene" and think that the jig is up.

I didn't say that well, but my question is in there somewhere.    ::MonkeyRoll::



Hey girl~short answer is no.....they can mislead you when you are being questioned, it's a pretty common practice before someone lawyers up ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks. .  ::MonkeyConfused:: I kind of thought so, but wasnt sure. It would really tie their hands if that were so; and I imagine in some cases, people would be skipping town like crazy. . ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Treehouse on February 25, 2009, 04:31:51 PM
I have a question for anyone in general who knows or perhaps someone who is in LE related work.

Is it permissible for LE to state "mis-truths" (TM Cindy Anthony)  ::MonkeyLaugh::  to people being questioned if it's deemed in the best interest of discovery or if it serves LE's purposes for some reason known only to them?

IOW, can LE lie directly or by omission or by implication in order to further their goal? For example, if person A failed a poly and person B, C, and D etc passed, can they tell them all that  they "don't know" and that they "have to send it to Cornhole, Wherever, for results" in order to stall for time or whatever reason that may have?

Or perhaps the purpose could be not to share the results with all of them and treat them all equally as far as info and "the story" are concerned so as not to single Person A.... by Person A being the only one not told.

Point being, could it be that maybe they don't want Person A (or whoever) to lawyer up or freak out or bolt and head for the hills b/c LE knows they have nothing concrete at the moment with which to hold this person? 

My question, long story long, is this. Is LE obligated legally to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth to people they're questioning who may or may not be involved in a case while they're trying to determine who did what when? Or do they have to tell the truth only in a semantic sense, but can they mince their words to convey an implication?

For example like when someone says hypothetically to a presumed suspect or POI,  "What if I told you we have your DNA all over the scene?" Well, they're not technically saying that they do have their DNA b/c it was phrased as, "What if I told you;"  But someone, particularly if involved, guilty, or under stress, could theoretically "hear" it wrong and infer that their DNA is indeed "all over the scene" and think that the jig is up.  
I didn't say that well, but my question is in there somewhere.    ::MonkeyRoll::




Thanks for making me do some interesting research:

Modern interrogation is a study in human nature. Most of us are more likely to talk to people who appear to be like us. Once we start talking, it's hard for us to stop. Once we start telling the truth, it's harder to start lying. When a police officer tells us our fingerprints were found on the inside doorknob of a home that was robbed two days ago, we get nervous, even if we wore gloves the whole time we were inside.

With a few exceptions, the police are allowed to lie to a suspect to get him to confess. The belief is that an innocent person would never confess to a crime she didn't commit, even if she were confronted with false physical evidence of her involvement. Unfortunately, that's not always the case (more on false confessions in the next section), but it's a big part of the reason why the police are allowed to employ deceptive tactics in interrogation.

 http://people.howstuffworks.com/police-interrogation1.htm



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 04:37:41 PM
Well, I can't find Haleigh here on the Jacksonville FBI field office site either, unless she's there and I've gone goofy.... again. .  ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/fo/jkwanted.htm (http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/fo/jkwanted.htm)

Here's the county breakdown map of the Jacksonville field office's domain FWIW. Putman County is under the Jacksonville office in the sub category of Daytona regional area (in green)

http://jacksonville.fbi.gov/territorial.htm (http://jacksonville.fbi.gov/territorial.htm)



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 04:40:31 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=131270&provider=top

JACKSONVILLE, FL -- The FBI is involved in the search for Haleigh Cummings.

Retired FBI agent Ron Wirth spent 30 years with the agency, and headed up the Evidence Response team in Jacksonville for a number of years.

CLICK HERE FOR MORE ON HALEIGH CUMMINGS

Wirth could not comment on the Haleigh case since he's not working on the investigation, but Wirth did offer insight in what FBI agents look at when faced with a missing child.


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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 04:42:13 PM
Question answered?  They haven't even changed the amber alert for Haleigh as of yesterday, still says wearing pink shirt, so go figure on updates by any Po Po.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 04:47:37 PM
http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/39365427.html  another link w/FBI involvement in Haleigh case.


Amber Alert for Haleigh Cummings Save Email Print
 
 
Posted: 9:56 AM Feb 10, 2009
Last Updated: 9:54 AM Feb 11, 2009

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A | A | A Authorities are still searching for a 5-year-old
north Florida girl who went missing from her bed.
A Florida Amber Alert was issued for Haleigh Cummings. The
Satsuma girl was last seen Monday night when she went to bed.
Investigators with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office say it's
not clear if Haleigh was abducted. The trailer where she lives had
no signs of forced entry but a back door was ajar.
Haleigh's father says the blonde girl was missing when he
returned home from work around 3 a.m. Tuesday. Ronald Cummings says his girlfriend was awake and frantic that Haleigh was missing from her bed.
Local and state authorities and the FBI searched Tuesday for
Haleigh in neighbors' homes and vehicles leaving her neighborhood
on the St. Johns River. That search continued on Wednesday morning.
Satsuma is about 70 miles north of Orlando.

Missing Endangered Persons Information Clearinghouse:

 
HALEIGH CUMMINGS

Date Missing: 2/10/2009

 
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 04:54:59 PM
Where my lame self was going with all this is that I was reading about the "CARD" teams (Child Abduction Rapid Deployment) which is described as another tool in the FBI's CAC (Crimes Against Children) Program (I know the plethora of acronyms is dizzying.) .  ::MonkeyCool::

They seem to specify dealing with or focusing on  - so to speak, cases of abductions "by strangers" and abductions by "someone other than a family member" (which implies not a stranger, per se, but not a relative)

The teams work closely with behavioral analysts, (NCAVC) National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime coordinators, and Crimes Against Children coordinators.

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/cac/kidnap.htm (http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/cac/kidnap.htm)

They don't say that they're limited to stranger, non-family abductions however.  These teams are delpolyed soon after an abduction has been reported to a local FBI field office, to FBI Headquarters, or to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, or in other cases when the FBI determines an investigation is warranted.

Also, here's a useful webpage with tips and guidance about safety, kidnapping, child abduction, and missing persons info called, "Be Crime Smart"

http://www.fbi.gov/becrimesmart.htm (http://www.fbi.gov/becrimesmart.htm)





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 04:55:38 PM
Question answered?  They haven't even changed the amber alert for Haleigh as of yesterday, still says wearing pink shirt, so go figure on updates by any Po Po.

I'm beginning to think the Po Po don't have No No ::MonkeyNoNo:: info........and am praying this doesn't turn into a cold case.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 04:59:46 PM
Question answered?  They haven't even changed the amber alert for Haleigh as of yesterday, still says wearing pink shirt, so go figure on updates by any Po Po.

I'm beginning to think the Po Po don't have No No ::MonkeyNoNo:: info........and am praying this doesn't turn into a cold case.

Ha! Ha!  I just felt Po Po was fitting for this case, I don't know why!?!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 05:01:21 PM
Question answered?  They haven't even changed the amber alert for Haleigh as of yesterday, still says wearing pink shirt, so go figure on updates by any Po Po.

I'm beginning to think the Po Po don't have No No ::MonkeyNoNo:: info........and am praying this doesn't turn into a cold case.


That pink shirt thing still has me stumped.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 05:03:55 PM
Question answered?  They haven't even changed the amber alert for Haleigh as of yesterday, still says wearing pink shirt, so go figure on updates by any Po Po.

I'm beginning to think the Po Po don't have No No ::MonkeyNoNo:: info........and am praying this doesn't turn into a cold case.

Ha! Ha!  I just felt Po Po was fitting for this case, I don't know why!?!


hmmm~I can't imagine why ::MonkeyRoll:: anytime you hear the theme song from Deliverance going thru your head while watching this case unfold, po po is probably a good term.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 05:06:53 PM
Islandmonkey, you should send your Po PO no no info to Susan Moss on the NG show with her annoying Nipsy Russell-esque rhymes that drive me up the freakin wall . . ::MonkeyHaHa::

It's almost like she's trying to be funny and it's so not funny.

One time someone had apparently tried to unsuccessfully escalate the decomposition of a body by using the wrong substance, and Moss chimed in with, "If you use the wrong lime, You're gonna do time." I wanted to open a vein. Please.Make.It.Stop. .  ::MonkeyLaugh::






Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 05:11:13 PM
Question answered?  They haven't even changed the amber alert for Haleigh as of yesterday, still says wearing pink shirt, so go figure on updates by any Po Po.

I'm beginning to think the Po Po don't have No No ::MonkeyNoNo:: info........and am praying this doesn't turn into a cold case.

Ha! Ha!  I just felt Po Po was fitting for this case, I don't know why!?!


hmmm~I can't imagine why ::MonkeyRoll:: anytime you hear the theme song from Deliverance going thru your head while watching this case unfold, po po is probably a good term.


I do hear dueling banjos now that you mention it... as well as the theme song from "Cops" replete with obligaotry "wife beater" t-shirt or the ever popular shirtless ensemble.

"Bad boys, bad boys what cha gonna do..."

(Sorry; Someone admonish me. I deserve it.)






Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 05:15:35 PM
Islandmonkey, you should send your Po PO no no info to Susan Moss on the NG show with her annoying Nipsy Russell-esque rhymes that drive me up the freakin wall . . ::MonkeyHaHa::

It's almost like she's trying to be funny and it's so not funny.

One time someone had apparently tried to unsuccessfully escalate the decomposition of a body by using the wrong substance, and Moss chimed in with, "If you use the wrong lime, You're gonna do time." I wanted to open a vein. Please.Make.It.Stop. .  ::MonkeyLaugh::






 ::MonkeyTongue:: I know she drives me NUTZ, everytime I hear she is going to be one, even the kids are like "nit that rhyming lady with the big mouth".........they are too young to remember her, but she reminds me of Gilda Radner's character on SNL, Rosanna Rosanna Danna........ ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 05:17:37 PM
Yup, Yup!  If the glove does not fit you must aquit. Or whatever Johnnie said.   I just got thro Windows Internet Explorer pop up window He!!, it was entertaining, I thought I could beat them just once, but no....I had to reboot!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 05:17:45 PM
Question answered?  They haven't even changed the amber alert for Haleigh as of yesterday, still says wearing pink shirt, so go figure on updates by any Po Po.

I'm beginning to think the Po Po don't have No No ::MonkeyNoNo:: info........and am praying this doesn't turn into a cold case.

Ha! Ha!  I just felt Po Po was fitting for this case, I don't know why!?!


hmmm~I can't imagine why ::MonkeyRoll:: anytime you hear the theme song from Deliverance going thru your head while watching this case unfold, po po is probably a good term.


I do hear dueling banjos now that you mention it... as well as the theme song from "Cops" replete with obligaotry "wife beater" t-shirt or the ever popular shirtless ensemble.

"Bad boys, bad boys what cha gonna do..."

(Sorry; Someone admonish me. I deserve it.)






 ::MonkeyLaugh:: Admonish you, know way~I agree.......but then again nothing can top a nascar redneck who like to try and talk DC rap.....I think I got that right Fatcatlurker ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 05:18:31 PM
And don't forget the interpreter for the Country Nascar Black Rap Lingo...Ha Ha!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 05:20:53 PM

Hey, which great grandmother saw Haleigh and Jr at 7 PM on that Mon evening? ... something about dropping off clothes?





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 05:22:31 PM
And don't forget the interpreter for the Country Nascar Black Rap Lingo...Ha Ha!

BWAH!! **snort**

I needed a guffaw. And BTW I actually snort when I type **snort** - heh. .  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Jus sayin; (TMI) . .  ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: wendiw8780 on February 25, 2009, 05:23:04 PM
in our state child support does not stop upon a remarriage...I would think that ron would still be responsible for support of Amber's child even if she is married...?
Do we know for sure that ron is not paying support? Is her husband's name on the birth certificate or is ron's? Perhaps if hubby's name is on there, until paternity is proven, no support is ordered? dunno....just asking

I no nothing about child support, merely speculation, and I think from his stand on all these misc. children he has the right attitude let the mothers bring the court order and prove he's the father, he's probably the only one around w/a job!?!  The extent of my knowledge on child support is from 2.5 men show and now my bro is seeking divorce and wants to give 1400.00 a month for my nephew and my SIL thinks that is not enough!?!

i think a parent still has to paid child support even if the other parent remarries. my parents divorced when i was 1 year old & my mom remarried when i was 2 1/2. my bio father owes 12 years in back child support (only paid one month) my stepfather adopted me legally when i was 14. my attorney said my bio father only owes child support up until i was legally adopted. also, i gave up any right to any inheritance left by my bio dad since i was legally adopted. i was very lucky, my daddy (adoptive father) never wanted any money from my bio dad to help support me. he says i am HIS daughter & he was & is responsible for me in every way. my daddy said he hit the JACKPOT when he became my daddy at age 2 1/2. we always laugh when people tell me & my daddy how alike we are-personality, looks, etc. (we look nothing alike- i am 5'1 with straight hair & he is 6'5 with curly hair) but he loves it when people tell us how alike we are. we just smile & agree.

ps-in our state (MS) back child support is void after a child is 7 years  over the age of 18 or 21, whichever age the judge ordered

hope this makes some sense

wendi


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 05:24:40 PM
 ::MonkeyEek::

Ok....being a bad theiving monkey here, but found this "somewhere FCL lurks"...

Criminal record of Ron's sister Crystal

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It's very long- but some felony crimes on here. Perhaps she needs to be looked at as a suspect given her history.

Visit clerks of court for each county for detailed information



Sumter County
11/5/08 Child restraint violation
9/4/08 No registration, fail to stop on red,
8/19/08 No safety belt passenger under 18
5/30/08 Child restraint violation
5/7/08 Driver’s license not carried
11/29/07 No seat belt, ran stop sign
8/20/07 Child restraint violation
1/10/07 Careless driving
5/19/05 Drivers License not carried, no seatbelt
5/26/05 Permit use w/ defective equipment
11/30/03 no seatbelt
2/26/03 Child restraint violation
9/10/02 Child restraint violation
8/30/02 Unlawful speed
4/3/01 No seatbelt
10/20/00- failure to change name on license

2/1/02 Domestic relations- paternity
11/16/00 Civil County for eviction

9/14/05 Resisting officer without violence, possession of cocaine, driving w/ license suspended, possession of marijuana, possession of paraphernalia3/12/03 Driving w/ suspended license4/10/01 Resisting officer without violence
3/13/01- Aiding prisoner to escape
2/28/01- Possession marijuana
8/31/00- Driving with suspended license

12/23/02- County civil for eviction

And from Lake County


7/28/03 Petit Theft
6/3/03 Possession marijuana
12/3/99 Grand theft between 300-20K 2 counts, 1 count petit theftthere were also numerous driving violations from this county but I got tired of typing.




sorry~I'll have to provide the links later as I'm headed out....BBL



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 05:28:52 PM
I was thinking (no I didn't sprain anything)  .  ::MonkeyCool:: (LAME!) I was thinking with all the questioning of Misty, is there some special protocol for LE dealing with minors? Or is that passe from back in the day?

I'll embarrass myself here and say I'm a schmuck who watches American Idol (groan) and those contestants under 18 can't say boo without a parent or legal guardian in tow. I mean, can a 17 yr old legally waive their rights... or however it's phrased? Or is that even an issue with Misty? TIA (Thanks in Advance)  .  ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 05:31:41 PM
::MonkeyEek::

Ok....being a bad theiving monkey here, but found this "somewhere FCL lurks"...

Criminal record of Ron's sister Crystal

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It's very long- but some felony crimes on here. Perhaps she needs to be looked at as a suspect given her history.

Visit clerks of court for each county for detailed information



Sumter County
11/5/08 Child restraint violation
9/4/08 No registration, fail to stop on red,
8/19/08 No safety belt passenger under 18
5/30/08 Child restraint violation
5/7/08 Driver’s license not carried
11/29/07 No seat belt, ran stop sign
8/20/07 Child restraint violation
1/10/07 Careless driving
5/19/05 Drivers License not carried, no seatbelt
5/26/05 Permit use w/ defective equipment
11/30/03 no seatbelt
2/26/03 Child restraint violation
9/10/02 Child restraint violation
8/30/02 Unlawful speed
4/3/01 No seatbelt
10/20/00- failure to change name on license

2/1/02 Domestic relations- paternity
11/16/00 Civil County for eviction

9/14/05 Resisting officer without violence, possession of cocaine, driving w/ license suspended, possession of marijuana, possession of paraphernalia3/12/03 Driving w/ suspended license4/10/01 Resisting officer without violence
3/13/01- Aiding prisoner to escape
2/28/01- Possession marijuana
8/31/00- Driving with suspended license

12/23/02- County civil for eviction

And from Lake County


7/28/03 Petit Theft
6/3/03 Possession marijuana
12/3/99 Grand theft between 300-20K 2 counts, 1 count petit theftthere were also numerous driving violations from this county but I got tired of typing.




sorry~I'll have to provide the links later as I'm headed out....BBL


YIKES. Now is that the paternal aunty who was.... having a bad hair day bless her heart?

Too many Crystals and too many Chads.

Mi confundido.  ::MonkeyConfused::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 05:36:39 PM
Also, someoone emailed me that bad-hair-day-Aunty Crystal was previously married to Chad, bio-mom-Crystal's current fiance /slash/ step-brother..... That is, if I understood and spit that out correctly.

This family tree doesn't fork as much as you'd think. (TM Jeff Foxworthy)



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 05:49:22 PM
I was wondering if Ron were actually an informant, would LE let him stay that close to the street in a tent, like a sitting duck, where anyone with a beef could drive by and shoot?





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 25, 2009, 05:49:48 PM
Also, someoone emailed me that bad-hair-day-Aunty Crystal was previously married to Chad, bio-mom-Crystal's current fiance /slash/ step-brother..... That is, if I understood and spit that out correctly.

This family tree doesn't fork as much as you'd think. (TM Jeff Foxworthy)



Well, I have been trying to keep a list of the "players" in this case, and just yesterday, I realized that Crystal Sheffield (Haleigh's mother) is engaged to her step-brother, Chad Griffis. Apparently, Crystal's mother is married to Chad's father.

Man o man, you are right about this family tree.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 25, 2009, 05:50:15 PM
How in the world of all the years of watching Geraldo did I miss the sucking of fat from his buttocks and put into his forehead, that sounds like a must see show. ::MonkeyTongue::

No rose:

Consider yourself one of the lucky ones!

 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 05:53:24 PM
Also, someoone emailed me that bad-hair-day-Aunty Crystal was previously married toChad, bio-mom-Crystal'scurrent fiance /slash/ step-brother..... That is, if I understood and spit that out correctly.

This family tree doesn't fork as much as you'd think. (TM Jeff Foxworthy)



im sorry, you lost me. where is it reported that chads biomoms stepbrother, and aunt crystals exhusband?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 06:08:24 PM
Also, someoone emailed me that bad-hair-day-Aunty Crystal was previously married toChad, bio-mom-Crystal'scurrent fiance /slash/ step-brother..... That is, if I understood and spit that out correctly.

This family tree doesn't fork as much as you'd think. (TM Jeff Foxworthy)



im sorry, you lost me. where is it reported that chads biomoms stepbrother, and aunt crystals exhusband?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I know, right? .  ::MonkeyCool:: It's like trying to say "She sells seashells by the seashore" 3 times fast. . ::MonkeyConfused::

Let me look for a link.





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 06:11:24 PM

Is this Ron the "Ronald Lemyles Cummings?" Is that the one?





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 25, 2009, 06:13:30 PM

Is this Ron the "Ronald Lemyles Cummings?" Is that the one?




Ronald LeMyles Cummings is Haleigh's father, if that is what you are asking.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 25, 2009, 06:17:21 PM
HeyKim:

Sorry for the O/T, but I see you are here, and I need you to go to my section to sdee a post I left you, please.

Sorry again, Monkeys, for the interruption.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 06:22:25 PM
Also, someoone emailed me that bad-hair-day-Aunty Crystal was previously married toChad, bio-mom-Crystal'scurrent fiance /slash/ step-brother..... That is, if I understood and spit that out correctly.

This family tree doesn't fork as much as you'd think. (TM Jeff Foxworthy)



im sorry, you lost me. where is it reported that chads biomoms stepbrother, and aunt crystals exhusband?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I know, right? .  ::MonkeyCool:: It's like trying to say "She sells seashells by the seashore" 3 times fast. . ::MonkeyConfused::

Let me look for a link.





haha, it really is! thank you in advance, im beyond confuzzled.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 25, 2009, 06:25:35 PM
Also, someoone emailed me that bad-hair-day-Aunty Crystal was previously married to Chad, bio-mom-Crystal's current fiance /slash/ step-brother..... That is, if I understood and spit that out correctly.

This family tree doesn't fork as much as you'd think. (TM Jeff Foxworthy)


Are you kidding me? And Aunty Crystal has quite a rap sheet also. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Truth Baby on February 25, 2009, 06:26:07 PM
At this point I feel like Misty really did sneak away and leave the 2 children home alone. I think Haleigh woke up, and went outside looking for Misty. I have a bad feeling that Haleigh somehow met her demise out in the dark, she may be in the water.

IMO, the man in black that Jr is saying he saw, was really a cop he saw when he was awakened.

I think Misty Propped the block at the back door, trying to stage something, so she wouldn't be in trouble for leaving the children alone.

I hope I am wrong, and that she IS still alive. The above is just my opinions at this time,and will probably change again.

I am thinking the same thing you are about her going out. How many 17 year olds go to bed at 10:30 anyways!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 25, 2009, 06:26:17 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,500084,00.html

Reward for Missing Haleigh Cummings Increases With Anonymous Donations
Wednesday, February 25, 2009




ADVERTISEMENTThe reward leading to the return of missing Florida 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings was raised to $25,500.

Two anonymous pledges — one for $5,000 and another for $500 — was added to the $20,000 already offered by authorities for her return or information that leads to the arrest and conviction of a perpetrator in the disappearance.

Haleigh apparently vanished Feb. 9 from her father's Satsuma-area trailer home where she lives with 24-year-old Ronald Cummings, Jr., his 17-year-old girlfriend Misty Croslin and Haleigh's little brother Junior, 4.

Click here for photos.

Police are combing through 1,600 possible leads in the case, but so far have found no trace of her.

Authorities said Tuesday they are ending their daily briefings on the missing girl.

"All information that can be presently disclosed has been reported," Capt. Dick Schauland said in a statement issued to reporters.

Earlier this week a Florida TV News Web site reported that Haleigh's little brother told police a man dressed all in black snuck into her room and snatched the girl from her bed.

Crystal Sheffield, the children's mother, said Haleigh's father and her son recounted the same story to her.

"When I see him [Haleigh's brother], all he said is, 'I want to find my sissy,' and he said something about somebody in black took her," Sheffield said, according to Central Florida News 13.

"He said they were all dressed in black, but I didn't question him. I'm not going to question him."

Putnam County detectives remain on the case full time, while the FBI and Florida Department of Law Enforcement also have agents working to find the little girl


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 25, 2009, 06:27:36 PM
I was wondering if Ron were actually an informant, would LE let him stay that close to the street in a tent, like a sitting duck, where anyone with a beef could drive by and shoot?




And not only that Ron Jr is there with him, and like grandma said last night on NG something to the effect that he is in danger because of what he saw.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 25, 2009, 06:28:33 PM
How in the world of all the years of watching Geraldo did I miss the sucking of fat from his buttocks and put into his forehead, that sounds like a must see show. ::MonkeyTongue::

No rose:

Consider yourself one of the lucky ones!

 ::MonkeyDance::
I guess, but that must have been something. ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: heykim on February 25, 2009, 06:31:53 PM
HeyKim:

Sorry for the O/T, but I see you are here, and I need you to go to my section to sdee a post I left you, please.

Sorry again, Monkeys, for the interruption.



BEEN THERE, done THAT..;) thanks kiddo!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 25, 2009, 06:38:10 PM
HeyKim:

Sorry for the O/T, but I see you are here, and I need you to go to my section to sdee a post I left you, please.

Sorry again, Monkeys, for the interruption.



BEEN THERE, done THAT..;) thanks kiddo!

Then all is well ;-)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Garden Gnome on February 25, 2009, 06:39:51 PM
I was thinking (no I didn't sprain anything)  .  ::MonkeyCool:: (LAME!) I was thinking with all the questioning of Misty, is there some special protocol for LE dealing with minors? Or is that passe from back in the day?

I'll embarrass myself here and say I'm a schmuck who watches American Idol (groan) and those contestants under 18 can't say boo without a parent or legal guardian in tow. I mean, can a 17 yr old legally waive their rights... or however it's phrased? Or is that even an issue with Misty? TIA (Thanks in Advance)  .  ::MonkeyCool::



You are not alone, I am an Idol fanatic.  It's a family night!   Looking for spoilers for tonight at the moment!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: heykim on February 25, 2009, 06:40:42 PM
HeyKim:

Sorry for the O/T, but I see you are here, and I need you to go to my section to sdee a post I left you, please.

Sorry again, Monkeys, for the interruption.



it is inDEED.. cept i dont seem centered..perhaps a side effect of my little new netbook i am on..;)

BEEN THERE, done THAT..;) thanks kiddo!

Then all is well ;-)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 06:48:49 PM
 ::MonkeyEek:: GOOD Lord, even great granny has a record......


Details:

UCN: 542001MM003569XXAXMX
File Date: 2001-09-21 Judge: PETER T MILLER   
Defense Atty: STAFFORD, DEBORAH J 

Defendant
SYKES, DOROTHY ANNETTE 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2001-09-21 1 COMPLAINT KATRINA BELCHER HARASSING PHONE CALLS 

2001-11-28 2 INFORMATION HARASSING TELEPHONE CALLS 

2001-12-05 3 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT BY SHERIFF'S SERVICE (01/22/2002) 

2001-12-11 4 NOTICE RETURNED EXECUTED 

2002-01-22 5 ARR MINUTES: DEFT NOT PRESENT 

2002-01-22 5 CAPIAS ORDERED - NOT ISSUED 

2002-01-23 6 MEMO: DEFT'S SPOUSE HOSPICE PATIENT & COULD NOT APPEAR 

2002-01-23 7 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: COURT ORDERED CASE CONTINUED 

2002-01-23 7 TO NEXT ARRAIGNMENT 02/26/2002 

2002-01-24 8 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (02-26-2002) 

2002-02-26 9 ARR MIN: DEFT PRES, ADJ INS P D APPT (DEBORAH STAFFORD) 

2002-02-26 9 ARR ENT PLEA OF NOT GUILTY - PRE TRIAL SET 04/03/2002 

2002-02-26 10 AFFIDAVIT 

2002-02-26 10 ORDER OF INDIGENCY AND ORDER AS TO THE PUBLIC DEFENDER 

2002-02-26 10 $40.00 APPLICATION FEE IMPOSED 

2002-02-26 11 PRE-TRIAL ORDER (04-03-2002) 

2002-04-03 12 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: ON MOTION OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA 

2002-04-03 12 THE CASE WAS ORDERED NOLLE PROSEQUI IN OPEN COURT 

2002-04-03 12 PD APPLICATION FEE SUSPENDED 


Details:

UCN: 542008CF000845XXAXMX
File Date: 2008-04-09 Judge: EDWARD E HEDSTROM   
Defense Atty: 

Defendant
SYKES, DOROTHY ANNETTE 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2008-04-09 1 COMPLAINT - PCSO D/S ROBERT NELSON (4/2/08) 

2008-04-09 1 INTERFERENCE OF CHILD CUSTODY 

2008-04-30 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION TO ALL COUNTS 


http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 06:52:39 PM
RC's mom

Details:

UCN: 541999MM001188XXAXMX
File Date: 1999-04-01 Judge: PETER T MILLER   
Defense Atty: 

Defendant
NEVES, TERESA S 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
1999-04-01 1 COMPLAINT: KATRINA SYKES HARASSING PHONE CALLS 

1999-05-11 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION 




Considering the rest of the family, this one isn't quite as bad.........until I consider she's a Sherrif's Dpt. Dispatcher ::MonkeyRoll::


I think we've officially entered the twilight zone here ::MonkeyTongue::


Is it just me, or wasn't Peter Miller the same judge on all or the Putnam County charges for RC????


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 25, 2009, 07:00:23 PM
OH GOOD LORD!

(Regarding the law records on these people!)

Just amazing how many have records!

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 07:01:59 PM
Great granny too? Oh lo.....

Side note: (below) Talk about breaking a spirit, and the B word and what not. This is  not the family at hand, but interesting. (There's a video if you scroll down). YIKES.

" 'Supernanny' Dad Investigated For Possible Abuse"

http://www.wesh.com/news/18792848/detail.html (http://www.wesh.com/news/18792848/detail.html)





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 07:03:03 PM
OH GOOD LORD!

(Regarding the law records on these people!)

Just amazing how many have records!

 ::MonkeyEek::


and NO time served...........thing that make you go hmmmmm ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 07:05:27 PM
Mama Neves too??? Oh lo...

I take it that Teresa's calls were more than "Is your refrigerator running?" and "Do you have Prince Albert in the can?" . ::MonkeyCool::



(Sorry; I'll see myself out....) . . ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 07:06:33 PM
Mama Neves too??? Oh lo...

I take it that Teresa's calls were more than "Is your refrigerator running?" and "Do you have Prince Albert in the can?" . ::MonkeyCool::



(Sorry; I'll see myself out....) . . ::MonkeyHaHa::



 ::MonkeyShocked:: I'd bet that WAS it..... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 07:08:40 PM
Pam Bondi on JVM now.........talking about Sarasota county records, the violation of the restraining order was against Crystal, he wasn't supposed to be within 100 yards of her.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 07:10:30 PM
is there anyone involved and/or related on both sides, that doesnt have a record??


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 07:11:19 PM
RC's pastor is on, he stated RC is not an official informant........curious as to why he chose to throw in the word "official"...weird


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 07:13:02 PM
is there anyone involved and/or related on both sides, that doesnt have a record??

not so far........but I have searched 10 counties now, and no drug charges for CS that I could find, only filing a false police report, and unpaid traffic ticket..but I think her mom has a record and her dad does too......dog fighting from what I recall.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 07:15:11 PM
OH GOOD LORD!

(Regarding the law records on these people!)

Just amazing how many have records!

 ::MonkeyEek::


and NO time served...........thing that make you go hmmmmm ::MonkeyRoll::

Word to the "Hhmmmm"

Jane velez-Mitchell (aka JVM) is on and just played the clip of Ron talking with Geraldo when he said "I do not do drugs" when Geraldo seemed not to be referring to the present tense, but the former charges.

Anyhoo, I had a flashback to Bill Clinton's, "What your definition of 'IS'  is... ". .. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Then Ron almost sounded like Beaver Cleaver when he said, "I work for ABC Bridge Company; That's who *I* work for."

(Favorite June Cleaver quote of all time: "I think you were a little hard on the Beav last night, Ward...." .  ::MonkeyLaugh::

If I don't smile now and then I'll go crazy.

(I'll see myself out.) . . ::MonkeyTongue::





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 07:17:21 PM
well, i have to give ron credit for one thing, hes staying focused on haleigh, and just haleigh, not airing dirt family laundry, unlike crystal and relatives. wth would she disclose what jr said to the public, there was no need to, le wouldnt have disclosed that.

keep the focus where it belongs, geez.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: NewfieMonkey on February 25, 2009, 07:20:06 PM
I just need to say ... JVM .. NG .. Greta .. Whorealdo ... NO ONE ... got in the Anthony's face like they are getting in the face of Haleigh Cummings ... What's up with that?!  Sick Sick Sick Media!  Infuriates me! 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 25, 2009, 07:21:57 PM
OH GOOD LORD!

(Regarding the law records on these people!)

Just amazing how many have records!

 ::MonkeyEek::


and NO time served...........thing that make you go hmmmmm ::MonkeyRoll::

Word to the "Hhmmmm"

Jane velez-Mitchell (aka JVM) is on and just played the clip of Ron talking with Geraldo when he said "I do not do drugs" when Geraldo seemed not to be referring to the present tense, but the former charges.

Anyhoo, I had a flashback to Bill Clinton's, "What your definition of 'IS'  is... ". .. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Then Ron almost sounded like Beaver Cleaver when he said, "I work for ABC Bridge Company; That's who *I* work for."

(Favorite June Cleaver quote of all time: "I think you were a little hard on the Beav last night, Ward...." .  ::MonkeyLaugh::

If I don't smile now and then I'll go crazy.

(I'll see myself out.) . . ::MonkeyTongue::





heh.

I say Geraldo sure did open a can of worms with the "drug informant" allegation Saturday night.

That's what they are talking about on JVM tonight.

Crystal Cummings (Ronald's sister) did state that she thinks a SO took Haleigh.

The rest so far is not really focusing on finding Haleigh, IMO.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 07:23:54 PM
and ive said it before, and ill say it again, this whole 'drug' angle makes no sense to me. low level drug dealers dont kidnap kids for revenge, they bust up whoever it is that owes them, they arent going to want to house and care for a kidnapped child.

its time consuming and expensive, not to mention carries a huge sentence upon conviction. if they took it further to murder, theyd murder whoever ripped them off not their kid, police get mighty upset about kidnapped or murdered children, not so much about druggies killed for a dope deal gone bad.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 07:26:11 PM
well, i have to give ron credit for one thing, hes staying focused on haleigh, and just haleigh, not airing dirt family laundry, unlike crystal and relatives. wth would she disclose what jr said to the public, there was no need to, le wouldnt have disclosed that.

keep the focus where it belongs, geez.

I think his record brings scrutiny due to those he surrounds himself with, and I'd be pizzed if I was mom, I printed out he entire custody re-hearing and IMO the deck was stacked against her big time.......she was honest about her drug use, RC flat out lied (big surprise ::MonkeyRoll:: ).......it was a real eye opener for me and if my child disappeared while in his custody and a teen-substitute wife and everyone had conflicting stories, the LE isn't telling you anything, I'd have done the same thing frankly. It is possible that his ties could have brought danger into the lives of her children too....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 07:27:01 PM
is there anyone involved and/or related on both sides, that doesnt have a record??

not so far........but I have searched 10 counties now, and no drug charges for CS that I could find, only filing a false police report, and unpaid traffic ticket..but I think her mom has a record and her dad does too......dog fighting from what I recall.


Speaking of minor dog infractions, Lindsey (sp?) Croslin, (Misty's sister-in-law.... married to Misty's brother, Timothy Croslin (or is it other brother, Thomas Croslin?) has a pitbull infraction. Not that that is earth shattering, just throwing it in the mix. It's from Islandmonkey's (may I call you IM?)  ::MonkeyCool:: link for Putnam County under "Croslin%" (Be sure to put the % sign after the name - no spaces)

Wow, they really crack down on the dog infractions, don't they? By the dogs and to the dogs. (Michael Vick leaps to mind; Someone upthread mentioned....)

I guess OJ's glad he didn't hurt the dog.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 07:27:56 PM

(For the record, I love animals.)




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 07:30:07 PM
is there anyone involved and/or related on both sides, that doesnt have a record??

not so far........but I have searched 10 counties now, and no drug charges for CS that I could find, only filing a false police report, and unpaid traffic ticket..but I think her mom has a record and her dad does too......dog fighting from what I recall.


Speaking of minor dog infractions, Lindsey (sp?) Croslin, (Misty's sister-in-law.... married to Misty's brother, Timothy Croslin (or is it other brother, Thomas Croslin?) has a pitbull infraction. Not that that is earth shattering, just throwing it in the mix. It's from Islandmonkey's (may I call you IM?)  ::MonkeyCool:: link for Putnam County under "Croslin%" (Be sure to put the % sign after the name - no spaces)

Wow, they really crack down on the dog infractions, don't they? By the dogs and to the dogs. (Michael Vick leaps to mind; Someone upthread mentioned....)

I guess OJ's glad he didn't hurt the dog.




Yes, most people use IM instead of the whole nic.......I've been afraid to even look any more at the Putnam county link, mind mind is mush already, and I'm afraid I might have a monkey disability that prevents me from working if it gets any worse ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 07:34:59 PM
well, i have to give ron credit for one thing, hes staying focused on haleigh, and just haleigh, not airing dirt family laundry, unlike crystal and relatives. wth would she disclose what jr said to the public, there was no need to, le wouldnt have disclosed that.

keep the focus where it belongs, geez.

I think his record brings scrutiny due to those he surrounds himself with, and I'd be pizzed if I was mom, I printed out he entire custody re-hearing and IMO the deck was stacked against her big time.......she was honest about her drug use, RC flat out lied (big surprise ::MonkeyRoll:: ).......it was a real eye opener for me and if my child disappeared while in his custody and a teen-substitute wife and everyone had conflicting stories, the LE isn't telling you anything, I'd have done the same thing frankly. It is possible that his ties could have brought danger into the lives of her children too....

see what i posted above you. hes not a wealthy member of some drug cartel, hes just some poor slob. i know you have your own points of personal reference, and i respect that, but i dont feel crystal is some poor snowwhite victim and that ron deserves all our focus.

she couldnt manage to take haleigh to her scheduled drs appts, she couldnt say why she missed school so much, she just put jr needlessly into the spotlight, she owes over 4k in back child support, and i could go on and on. hardly a model mom imo.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 25, 2009, 07:38:08 PM
RC's mom

Details:

UCN: 541999MM001188XXAXMX
File Date: 1999-04-01 Judge: PETER T MILLER   
Defense Atty: 

Defendant
NEVES, TERESA S 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
1999-04-01 1 COMPLAINT: KATRINA SYKES HARASSING PHONE CALLS 

1999-05-11 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION 




Considering the rest of the family, this one isn't quite as bad.........until I consider she's a Sherrif's Dpt. Dispatcher ::MonkeyRoll::


I think we've officially entered the twilight zone here ::MonkeyTongue::


Is it just me, or wasn't Peter Miller the same judge on all or the Putnam County charges for RC????

Good Evening Monkey's

Just got my bus and put on hydralic lifters and spanking new big 30 in tires.. To throw some

more players under the bus.... Island did you do a search on Teresa Cummings her name

before she remarried also Cranny Clampet I mean Granny Stkes and do you know what was

her maiden name.. There are some Sykes as SO....... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 25, 2009, 07:40:46 PM
well, i have to give ron credit for one thing, hes staying focused on haleigh, and just haleigh, not airing dirt family laundry, unlike crystal and relatives. wth would she disclose what jr said to the public, there was no need to, le wouldnt have disclosed that.

keep the focus where it belongs, geez.

I think his record brings scrutiny due to those he surrounds himself with, and I'd be pizzed if I was mom, I printed out he entire custody re-hearing and IMO the deck was stacked against her big time.......she was honest about her drug use, RC flat out lied (big surprise ::MonkeyRoll:: ).......it was a real eye opener for me and if my child disappeared while in his custody and a teen-substitute wife and everyone had conflicting stories, the LE isn't telling you anything, I'd have done the same thing frankly. It is possible that his ties could have brought danger into the lives of her children too....

see what i posted above you. hes not a wealthy member of some drug cartel, hes just some poor slob. i know you have your own points of personal reference, and i respect that, but i dont feel crystal is some poor snowwhite victim and that ron deserves all our focus.

she couldnt manage to take haleigh to her scheduled drs appts, she couldnt say why she missed school so much, she just put jr needlessly into the spotlight, she owes over 4k in back child support, and i could go on and on. hardly a model mom imo.

Not to mention, that maybe neither Ronald or Crystal had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance.

It could be that Misty left in the night to visit someone and left the door on, the light on, and Haleigh went looking for her after awakening. Then she wandered out and drowned or someone took her.

Just saying that it is possible neither parent did anything directly concerning Haleigh's disappearance.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 07:40:59 PM
well, i have to give ron credit for one thing, hes staying focused on haleigh, and just haleigh, not airing dirt family laundry, unlike crystal and relatives. wth would she disclose what jr said to the public, there was no need to, le wouldnt have disclosed that.

keep the focus where it belongs, geez.

I think his record brings scrutiny due to those he surrounds himself with, and I'd be pizzed if I was mom, I printed out he entire custody re-hearing and IMO the deck was stacked against her big time.......she was honest about her drug use, RC flat out lied (big surprise ::MonkeyRoll:: ).......it was a real eye opener for me and if my child disappeared while in his custody and a teen-substitute wife and everyone had conflicting stories, the LE isn't telling you anything, I'd have done the same thing frankly. It is possible that his ties could have brought danger into the lives of her children too....

see what i posted above you. hes not a wealthy member of some drug cartel, hes just some poor slob. i know you have your own points of personal reference, and i respect that, but i dont feel crystal is some poor snowwhite victim and that ron deserves all our focus.

she couldnt manage to take haleigh to her scheduled drs appts, she couldnt say why she missed school so much, she just put jr needlessly into the spotlight, she owes over 4k in back child support, and i could go on and on. hardly a model mom imo.

We truly don't know for sure what the bounds of his drug issues really are.

I agree CS is not the model mom, but she admitted her faults in court (all of them)-RC was living with her during the missed appts and jr was a baby, shouldn't he have tried to help??? I can understand being back in child support in this economy, you can't get blood from a turnip and I'd pray once she finds a job her support start back up, obviously she's paid in the past or it would be way over 4m........


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 25, 2009, 07:41:10 PM
RC's mom

Details:

UCN: 541999MM001188XXAXMX
File Date: 1999-04-01 Judge: PETER T MILLER   
Defense Atty: 

Defendant
NEVES, TERESA S 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
1999-04-01 1 COMPLAINT: KATRINA SYKES HARASSING PHONE CALLS 

1999-05-11 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION 




Considering the rest of the family, this one isn't quite as bad.........until I consider she's a Sherrif's Dpt. Dispatcher ::MonkeyRoll::


I think we've officially entered the twilight zone here ::MonkeyTongue::


Is it just me, or wasn't Peter Miller the same judge on all or the Putnam County charges for RC????

Good Evening Monkey's

Just got my bus and put on hydralic lifters and spanking new big 30 in tires.. To throw some

more players under the bus.... Island did you do a search on Teresa Cummings her name

before she remarried also Cranny Clampet I mean Granny Stkes and do you know what was

her maiden name.. There are some Sykes as SO....... ::MonkeyTongue::


OOOPPPSSS I did look up STKES there are some SO.... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 07:43:00 PM
well, i have to give ron credit for one thing, hes staying focused on haleigh, and just haleigh, not airing dirt family laundry, unlike crystal and relatives. wth would she disclose what jr said to the public, there was no need to, le wouldnt have disclosed that.

keep the focus where it belongs, geez.

I think his record brings scrutiny due to those he surrounds himself with, and I'd be pizzed if I was mom, I printed out he entire custody re-hearing and IMO the deck was stacked against her big time.......she was honest about her drug use, RC flat out lied (big surprise ::MonkeyRoll:: ).......it was a real eye opener for me and if my child disappeared while in his custody and a teen-substitute wife and everyone had conflicting stories, the LE isn't telling you anything, I'd have done the same thing frankly. It is possible that his ties could have brought danger into the lives of her children too....

see what i posted above you. hes not a wealthy member of some drug cartel, hes just some poor slob. i know you have your own points of personal reference, and i respect that, but i dont feel crystal is some poor snowwhite victim and that ron deserves all our focus.

she couldnt manage to take haleigh to her scheduled drs appts, she couldnt say why she missed school so much, she just put jr needlessly into the spotlight, she owes over 4k in back child support, and i could go on and on. hardly a model mom imo.

Not to mention, that maybe neither Ronald or Crystal had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance.

It could be that Misty left in the night to visit someone and left the door on, the light on, and Haleigh went looking for her after awakening. Then she wandered out and drowned or someone took her.

Just saying that it is possible neither parent did anything directly concerning Haleigh's disappearance.



ita. as of now, it could be anyone.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 07:43:19 PM
RC's mom

Details:

UCN: 541999MM001188XXAXMX
File Date: 1999-04-01 Judge: PETER T MILLER   
Defense Atty: 

Defendant
NEVES, TERESA S 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
1999-04-01 1 COMPLAINT: KATRINA SYKES HARASSING PHONE CALLS 

1999-05-11 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION 




Considering the rest of the family, this one isn't quite as bad.........until I consider she's a Sherrif's Dpt. Dispatcher ::MonkeyRoll::


I think we've officially entered the twilight zone here ::MonkeyTongue::


Is it just me, or wasn't Peter Miller the same judge on all or the Putnam County charges for RC????

Good Evening Monkey's

Just got my bus and put on hydralic lifters and spanking new big 30 in tires.. To throw some

more players under the bus.... Island did you do a search on Teresa Cummings her name

before she remarried also Cranny Clampet I mean Granny Stkes and do you know what was

her maiden name.. There are some Sykes as SO....... ::MonkeyTongue::

No, not yet......i spent most of the day reading the custody re-hearing (while I was at work ::MonkeyTongue:: )

Glad u got some new tires for the bus...LMAO!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 25, 2009, 07:44:43 PM
well, i have to give ron credit for one thing, hes staying focused on haleigh, and just haleigh, not airing dirt family laundry, unlike crystal and relatives. wth would she disclose what jr said to the public, there was no need to, le wouldnt have disclosed that.

keep the focus where it belongs, geez.

I think his record brings scrutiny due to those he surrounds himself with, and I'd be pizzed if I was mom, I printed out he entire custody re-hearing and IMO the deck was stacked against her big time.......she was honest about her drug use, RC flat out lied (big surprise ::MonkeyRoll:: ).......it was a real eye opener for me and if my child disappeared while in his custody and a teen-substitute wife and everyone had conflicting stories, the LE isn't telling you anything, I'd have done the same thing frankly. It is possible that his ties could have brought danger into the lives of her children too....

see what i posted above you. hes not a wealthy member of some drug cartel, hes just some poor slob. i know you have your own points of personal reference, and i respect that, but i dont feel crystal is some poor snowwhite victim and that ron deserves all our focus.

she couldnt manage to take haleigh to her scheduled drs appts, she couldnt say why she missed school so much, she just put jr needlessly into the spotlight, she owes over 4k in back child support, and i could go on and on. hardly a model mom imo.
I agree, peanut,  Chrystal leaves alot to be desired as far as Im concerned also, there is no shinning knights in this story, but Ronald is still right there waiting and refuses to go anywhere without Haleigh, and this might be guilt or it might be a greiving Father, but he is there and trying everything he can to help, I hear no acusations towards Chrystal from him, just pleads for Haleighs safe return!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 25, 2009, 07:45:53 PM
RC's mom

Details:

UCN: 541999MM001188XXAXMX
File Date: 1999-04-01 Judge: PETER T MILLER   
Defense Atty: 

Defendant
NEVES, TERESA S 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
1999-04-01 1 COMPLAINT: KATRINA SYKES HARASSING PHONE CALLS 

1999-05-11 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION 




Considering the rest of the family, this one isn't quite as bad.........until I consider she's a Sherrif's Dpt. Dispatcher ::MonkeyRoll::


I think we've officially entered the twilight zone here ::MonkeyTongue::


Is it just me, or wasn't Peter Miller the same judge on all or the Putnam County charges for RC????

Good Evening Monkey's

Just got my bus and put on hydralic lifters and spanking new big 30 in tires.. To throw some

more players under the bus.... Island did you do a search on Teresa Cummings her name

before she remarried also Cranny Clampet I mean Granny Stkes and do you know what was

her maiden name.. There are some Sykes as SO....... ::MonkeyTongue::

No, not yet......i spent most of the day reading the custody re-hearing (while I was at work ::MonkeyTongue:: )

Glad u got some new tires for the bus...LMAO!

OK Thanks- I read that doc already.... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 07:46:13 PM
well, i have to give ron credit for one thing, hes staying focused on haleigh, and just haleigh, not airing dirt family laundry, unlike crystal and relatives. wth would she disclose what jr said to the public, there was no need to, le wouldnt have disclosed that.

keep the focus where it belongs, geez.

I think his record brings scrutiny due to those he surrounds himself with, and I'd be pizzed if I was mom, I printed out he entire custody re-hearing and IMO the deck was stacked against her big time.......she was honest about her drug use, RC flat out lied (big surprise ::MonkeyRoll:: ).......it was a real eye opener for me and if my child disappeared while in his custody and a teen-substitute wife and everyone had conflicting stories, the LE isn't telling you anything, I'd have done the same thing frankly. It is possible that his ties could have brought danger into the lives of her children too....

see what i posted above you. hes not a wealthy member of some drug cartel, hes just some poor slob. i know you have your own points of personal reference, and i respect that, but i dont feel crystal is some poor snowwhite victim and that ron deserves all our focus.

she couldnt manage to take haleigh to her scheduled drs appts, she couldnt say why she missed school so much, she just put jr needlessly into the spotlight, she owes over 4k in back child support, and i could go on and on. hardly a model mom imo.

We truly don't know for sure what the bounds of his drug issues really are.

I agree CS is not the model mom, but she admitted her faults in court (all of them)-RC was living with her during the missed appts and jr was a baby, shouldn't he have tried to help??? I can understand being back in child support in this economy, you can't get blood from a turnip and I'd pray once she finds a job her support start back up, obviously she's paid in the past or it would be way over 4m........

ya, so what responsible thing does she do? she has yet anotherchild.

in terms of the drugs...

ive said it before, and ill say it again, this whole 'drug' angle makes no sense to me. low level drug dealers dont kidnap kids for revenge, they bust up whoever it is that owes them, they arent going to want to house and care for a kidnapped child.

its time consuming and expensive, not to mention carries a huge sentence upon conviction. if they took it further to murder, theyd murder whoever ripped them off not their kid, police get mighty upset about kidnapped or murdered children, not so much about druggies killed for a dope deal gone bad.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 07:48:45 PM
well, i have to give ron credit for one thing, hes staying focused on haleigh, and just haleigh, not airing dirt family laundry, unlike crystal and relatives. wth would she disclose what jr said to the public, there was no need to, le wouldnt have disclosed that.

keep the focus where it belongs, geez.

I think his record brings scrutiny due to those he surrounds himself with, and I'd be pizzed if I was mom, I printed out he entire custody re-hearing and IMO the deck was stacked against her big time.......she was honest about her drug use, RC flat out lied (big surprise ::MonkeyRoll:: ).......it was a real eye opener for me and if my child disappeared while in his custody and a teen-substitute wife and everyone had conflicting stories, the LE isn't telling you anything, I'd have done the same thing frankly. It is possible that his ties could have brought danger into the lives of her children too....

see what i posted above you. hes not a wealthy member of some drug cartel, hes just some poor slob. i know you have your own points of personal reference, and i respect that, but i dont feel crystal is some poor snowwhite victim and that ron deserves all our focus.

she couldnt manage to take haleigh to her scheduled drs appts, she couldnt say why she missed school so much, she just put jr needlessly into the spotlight, she owes over 4k in back child support, and i could go on and on. hardly a model mom imo.
I agree, peanut,  Chrystal leaves alot to be desired as far as Im concerned also, there is no shinning knights in this story, but Ronald is still right there waiting and refuses to go anywhere without Haleigh, and this might be guilt or it might be a greiving Father, but he is there and trying everything he can to help, I hear no acusations towards Chrystal from him, just pleads for Haleighs safe return!

exactly, hh. save the family mudslinging til after haleighs found. then try doing it thru legal channels, not in the court of fickle public opinion.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 07:51:34 PM
well, i have to give ron credit for one thing, hes staying focused on haleigh, and just haleigh, not airing dirt family laundry, unlike crystal and relatives. wth would she disclose what jr said to the public, there was no need to, le wouldnt have disclosed that.

keep the focus where it belongs, geez.

I think his record brings scrutiny due to those he surrounds himself with, and I'd be pizzed if I was mom, I printed out he entire custody re-hearing and IMO the deck was stacked against her big time.......she was honest about her drug use, RC flat out lied (big surprise ::MonkeyRoll:: ).......it was a real eye opener for me and if my child disappeared while in his custody and a teen-substitute wife and everyone had conflicting stories, the LE isn't telling you anything, I'd have done the same thing frankly. It is possible that his ties could have brought danger into the lives of her children too....

IIRC, Crystal was all of 19 years old at the time of the custody hearing. Haleigh is 5 years old now and Jr. is 4. That means that she was pregnant with Jr. when Haleigh was an infant.

I think it's become more clear to me the situation that Ron was in and it was very difficult. I'm just trying to imagine the position Crystal was in. If you take a certain kind of young woman who has had bad experiences, perhaps self-esteem issues, history of verbal or other abuse and if she were 18-19 years old and someone had possibly threatened to kill her, or take her children to Guatamala (or otherwise out of her reach) and perhaps threatened her that she would never see them again, and she knew that person had a propensity towards violence, threats and frightening behaviors what would she possibly do? Force the situation  and see if that person carried out the threats? Or just feel defeated and try to cherish whatever time she could eek out with her kids and hope and pray that no one gets angry? Also, I don't know if she had legal council or whether Ron did either. If one did and one didn't, that would be an advantage I would think.

Long live the run-on sentence.  ::MonkeyCool::




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 25, 2009, 07:53:51 PM
well, i have to give ron credit for one thing, hes staying focused on haleigh, and just haleigh, not airing dirt family laundry, unlike crystal and relatives. wth would she disclose what jr said to the public, there was no need to, le wouldnt have disclosed that.

keep the focus where it belongs, geez.

I think his record brings scrutiny due to those he surrounds himself with, and I'd be pizzed if I was mom, I printed out he entire custody re-hearing and IMO the deck was stacked against her big time.......she was honest about her drug use, RC flat out lied (big surprise ::MonkeyRoll:: ).......it was a real eye opener for me and if my child disappeared while in his custody and a teen-substitute wife and everyone had conflicting stories, the LE isn't telling you anything, I'd have done the same thing frankly. It is possible that his ties could have brought danger into the lives of her children too....

IIRC, Crystal was all of 19 years old at the time of the custody hearing. Haleigh is 5 years old now and Jr. is 4. That means that she was pregnant with Jr. when Haleigh was an infant.

I think it's become more clear to me the situation that Ron was in and it was very difficult. I'm just trying to imagine the position Crystal was in. If you take a certain kind of young woman who has had bad experiences, perhaps self-esteem issues, history of verbal or other abuse and if she were 18-19 years old and someone had possibly threatened to kill her, or take her children to Guatamala (or otherwise out of her reach) and perhaps threatened her that she would never see them again, and she knew that person had a propensity towards violence, threats and frightening behaviors what would she possibly do? Force the situation  and see if that person carried out the threats? Or just feel defeated and try to cherish whatever time she could eek out with her kids and hope and pray that no one gets angry? Also, I don't know if she had legal council or whether Ron did either. If one did and one didn't, that would be an advantage I would think.

Long live the run-on sentence.  ::MonkeyCool::




Didnt Ron @ one time pick up the kids for visitation and took them out of state???  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 07:59:02 PM
well, i have to give ron credit for one thing, hes staying focused on haleigh, and just haleigh, not airing dirt family laundry, unlike crystal and relatives. wth would she disclose what jr said to the public, there was no need to, le wouldnt have disclosed that.

keep the focus where it belongs, geez.

I think his record brings scrutiny due to those he surrounds himself with, and I'd be pizzed if I was mom, I printed out he entire custody re-hearing and IMO the deck was stacked against her big time.......she was honest about her drug use, RC flat out lied (big surprise ::MonkeyRoll:: ).......it was a real eye opener for me and if my child disappeared while in his custody and a teen-substitute wife and everyone had conflicting stories, the LE isn't telling you anything, I'd have done the same thing frankly. It is possible that his ties could have brought danger into the lives of her children too....

IIRC, Crystal was all of 19 years old at the time of the custody hearing. Haleigh is 5 years old now and Jr. is 4. That means that she was pregnant with Jr. when Haleigh was an infant.

I think it's become more clear to me the situation that Ron was in and it was very difficult. I'm just trying to imagine the position Crystal was in. If you take a certain kind of young woman who has had bad experiences, perhaps self-esteem issues, history of verbal or other abuse and if she were 18-19 years old and someone had possibly threatened to kill her, or take her children to Guatamala (or otherwise out of her reach) and perhaps threatened her that she would never see them again, and she knew that person had a propensity towards violence, threats and frightening behaviors what would she possibly do? Force the situation  and see if that person carried out the threats? Or just feel defeated and try to cherish whatever time she could eek out with her kids and hope and pray that no one gets angry? Also, I don't know if she had legal council or whether Ron did either. If one did and one didn't, that would be an advantage I would think.

Long live the run-on sentence.  ::MonkeyCool::




i dont know, if i was that scared of someone i sure wouldnt trash them in the media.

there are lawyers that take on pro bobo work for abuse victims, and social services could help hook them up. why she didnt explore these options is subject to speculation, some might think she just couldnt be bothered.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 07:59:19 PM
well, i have to give ron credit for one thing, hes staying focused on haleigh, and just haleigh, not airing dirt family laundry, unlike crystal and relatives. wth would she disclose what jr said to the public, there was no need to, le wouldnt have disclosed that.

keep the focus where it belongs, geez.

I think his record brings scrutiny due to those he surrounds himself with, and I'd be pizzed if I was mom, I printed out he entire custody re-hearing and IMO the deck was stacked against her big time.......she was honest about her drug use, RC flat out lied (big surprise ::MonkeyRoll:: ).......it was a real eye opener for me and if my child disappeared while in his custody and a teen-substitute wife and everyone had conflicting stories, the LE isn't telling you anything, I'd have done the same thing frankly. It is possible that his ties could have brought danger into the lives of her children too....

IIRC, Crystal was all of 19 years old at the time of the custody hearing. Haleigh is 5 years old now and Jr. is 4. That means that she was pregnant with Jr. when Haleigh was an infant.

I think it's become more clear to me the situation that Ron was in and it was very difficult. I'm just trying to imagine the position Crystal was in. If you take a certain kind of young woman who has had bad experiences, perhaps self-esteem issues, history of verbal or other abuse and if she were 18-19 years old and someone had possibly threatened to kill her, or take her children to Guatamala (or otherwise out of her reach) and perhaps threatened her that she would never see them again, and she knew that person had a propensity towards violence, threats and frightening behaviors what would she possibly do? Force the situation  and see if that person carried out the threats? Or just feel defeated and try to cherish whatever time she could eek out with her kids and hope and pray that no one gets angry? Also, I don't know if she had legal council or whether Ron did either. If one did and one didn't, that would be an advantage I would think.

Long live the run-on sentence.  ::MonkeyCool::




Didnt Ron @ one time pick up the kids for visitation and took them out of state???  ::MonkeyTongue::

Yes, texas...but she agreed IIRC to let them travel, he just refused to return them because her heard she was doing drugs..this made it's way into court even though it was heresay ::MonkeyNoNo:: but you've read the doc's, so you know wnat went down in there.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 08:00:49 PM
well, i have to give ron credit for one thing, hes staying focused on haleigh, and just haleigh, not airing dirt family laundry, unlike crystal and relatives. wth would she disclose what jr said to the public, there was no need to, le wouldnt have disclosed that.

keep the focus where it belongs, geez.

I think his record brings scrutiny due to those he surrounds himself with, and I'd be pizzed if I was mom, I printed out he entire custody re-hearing and IMO the deck was stacked against her big time.......she was honest about her drug use, RC flat out lied (big surprise ::MonkeyRoll:: ).......it was a real eye opener for me and if my child disappeared while in his custody and a teen-substitute wife and everyone had conflicting stories, the LE isn't telling you anything, I'd have done the same thing frankly. It is possible that his ties could have brought danger into the lives of her children too....

IIRC, Crystal was all of 19 years old at the time of the custody hearing. Haleigh is 5 years old now and Jr. is 4. That means that she was pregnant with Jr. when Haleigh was an infant.

I think it's become more clear to me the situation that Ron was in and it was very difficult. I'm just trying to imagine the position Crystal was in. If you take a certain kind of young woman who has had bad experiences, perhaps self-esteem issues, history of verbal or other abuse and if she were 18-19 years old and someone had possibly threatened to kill her, or take her children to Guatamala (or otherwise out of her reach) and perhaps threatened her that she would never see them again, and she knew that person had a propensity towards violence, threats and frightening behaviors what would she possibly do? Force the situation  and see if that person carried out the threats? Or just feel defeated and try to cherish whatever time she could eek out with her kids and hope and pray that no one gets angry? Also, I don't know if she had legal council or whether Ron did either. If one did and one didn't, that would be an advantage I would think.

Long live the run-on sentence.  ::MonkeyCool::




i dont know, if i was that scared of someone i sure wouldnt trash them in the media.

there are lawyers that take on pro bono work for abuse victims, and social services could help hook them up. why she didnt explore these options is subject to speculation, some might think she just couldnt be bothered.

edit cause i cant type for beans.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 08:07:11 PM
well, i have to give ron credit for one thing, hes staying focused on haleigh, and just haleigh, not airing dirt family laundry, unlike crystal and relatives. wth would she disclose what jr said to the public, there was no need to, le wouldnt have disclosed that.

keep the focus where it belongs, geez.

I think his record brings scrutiny due to those he surrounds himself with, and I'd be pizzed if I was mom, I printed out he entire custody re-hearing and IMO the deck was stacked against her big time.......she was honest about her drug use, RC flat out lied (big surprise ::MonkeyRoll:: ).......it was a real eye opener for me and if my child disappeared while in his custody and a teen-substitute wife and everyone had conflicting stories, the LE isn't telling you anything, I'd have done the same thing frankly. It is possible that his ties could have brought danger into the lives of her children too....

see what i posted above you. hes not a wealthy member of some drug cartel, hes just some poor slob. i know you have your own points of personal reference, and i respect that, but i dont feel crystal is some poor snowwhite victim and that ron deserves all our focus.

she couldnt manage to take haleigh to her scheduled drs appts, she couldnt say why she missed school so much, she just put jr needlessly into the spotlight, she owes over 4k in back child support, and i could go on and on. hardly a model mom imo.

We truly don't know for sure what the bounds of his drug issues really are.

I agree CS is not the model mom, but she admitted her faults in court (all of them)-RC was living with her during the missed appts and jr was a baby, shouldn't he have tried to help??? I can understand being back in child support in this economy, you can't get blood from a turnip and I'd pray once she finds a job her support start back up, obviously she's paid in the past or it would be way over 4m........

ya, so what responsible thing does she do? she has yet anotherchild.

in terms of the drugs...

ive said it before, and ill say it again, this whole 'drug' angle makes no sense to me. low level drug dealers dont kidnap kids for revenge, they bust up whoever it is that owes them, they arent going to want to house and care for a kidnapped child.

its time consuming and expensive, not to mention carries a huge sentence upon conviction. if they took it further to murder, theyd murder whoever ripped them off not their kid, police get mighty upset about kidnapped or murdered children, not so much about druggies killed for a dope deal gone bad.


I'm not saying he killed her or that it was due to a drug debt, I'm simply saying that she was under his care and therefore his record (as others) are under more scrutiny than the parent 100 miles away......you should look at both, but I don't think these kids were in the best enviroment or care. Regarding drug deals gone bad, it has happened.do you remember the Movie Alpha Dog, that was a true story about the murder of Nicholas Markowitz whose brother owed the dealer 1200.00. Again, I think that theory is WAY out there, but it HAS happened. I don't feel like it's a SO either, so I am totally theorizing what I feel from what I've observed so far.....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 08:09:49 PM
in terms of the drugs...

ive said it before, and ill say it again, this whole 'drug' angle makes no sense to me.

low level drug dealers dont kidnap kids for revenge, they bust up whoever it is that owes them, they arent going to want to house and care for a kidnapped child.

its time consuming and expensive, not to mention carries a huge sentence upon conviction. if they took it further to murder, theyd murder whoever ripped them off not their kid, police get mighty upset about kidnapped or murdered children, not so much about druggies killed for a dope deal gone bad.


(bolding by me) I have to lean toward this right here as well.  Also, isn't there... what is it called.. it is someting absurd, but makes sense in a backwards way... "Honor among thieves." IOW, there's that commonly known, unwritten rule that if you're a child molester or child killer in prison, your days are numbered. My point being that even bad guys frown on crimes against children if there are other viable options that will suffice to get the job done.

Also, the "gain" doesn't seem to justify the risk. If revenge-seeking-druggies were the case, those folks don't tend to even think about leaving possible witnesses alive; so whoever was in the trailer would be gone as well, taken or killed IMO. Additionally, strangers (in this part of the scenario, drug people out for revenge) would kill their victim and not be particularly worried about hiding a body. It seems that they would need to reduce their margin of error and risk as much as possible.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 08:16:44 PM
well, i have to give ron credit for one thing, hes staying focused on haleigh, and just haleigh, not airing dirt family laundry, unlike crystal and relatives. wth would she disclose what jr said to the public, there was no need to, le wouldnt have disclosed that.

keep the focus where it belongs, geez.

I think his record brings scrutiny due to those he surrounds himself with, and I'd be pizzed if I was mom, I printed out he entire custody re-hearing and IMO the deck was stacked against her big time.......she was honest about her drug use, RC flat out lied (big surprise ::MonkeyRoll:: ).......it was a real eye opener for me and if my child disappeared while in his custody and a teen-substitute wife and everyone had conflicting stories, the LE isn't telling you anything, I'd have done the same thing frankly. It is possible that his ties could have brought danger into the lives of her children too....

see what i posted above you. hes not a wealthy member of some drug cartel, hes just some poor slob. i know you have your own points of personal reference, and i respect that, but i dont feel crystal is some poor snowwhite victim and that ron deserves all our focus.

she couldnt manage to take haleigh to her scheduled drs appts, she couldnt say why she missed school so much, she just put jr needlessly into the spotlight, she owes over 4k in back child support, and i could go on and on. hardly a model mom imo.

We truly don't know for sure what the bounds of his drug issues really are.

I agree CS is not the model mom, but she admitted her faults in court (all of them)-RC was living with her during the missed appts and jr was a baby, shouldn't he have tried to help??? I can understand being back in child support in this economy, you can't get blood from a turnip and I'd pray once she finds a job her support start back up, obviously she's paid in the past or it would be way over 4m........

ya, so what responsible thing does she do? she has yet anotherchild.

in terms of the drugs...

ive said it before, and ill say it again, this whole 'drug' angle makes no sense to me. low level drug dealers dont kidnap kids for revenge, they bust up whoever it is that owes them, they arent going to want to house and care for a kidnapped child.

its time consuming and expensive, not to mention carries a huge sentence upon conviction. if they took it further to murder, theyd murder whoever ripped them off not their kid, police get mighty upset about kidnapped or murdered children, not so much about druggies killed for a dope deal gone bad.


I'm not saying he killed her or that it was due to a drug debt, I'm simply saying that she was under his care and therefore his record (as others) are under more scrutiny than the parent 100 miles away......you should look at both, but I don't think these kids were in the best enviroment or care. Regarding drug deals gone bad, it has happened.do you remember the Movie Alpha Dog, that was a true story about the murder of Nicholas Markowitz whose brother owed the dealer 1200.00. Again, I think that theory is WAY out there, but it HAS happened. I don't feel like it's a SO either, so I am totally theorizing what I feel from what I've observed so far.....

i have looked at both.

theyve confirmed ron was at work the entire time, so i dont think hes any more suspect in that regard than someone who lives a 2 hour drive away.

i have no idea who was responsible, but there are many interesting aspects to explore, and that to me includes a hitherto unknown pedophile who may have been watching her for some time while planning his next move.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 08:19:56 PM
well, i have to give ron credit for one thing, hes staying focused on haleigh, and just haleigh, not airing dirt family laundry, unlike crystal and relatives. wth would she disclose what jr said to the public, there was no need to, le wouldnt have disclosed that.

keep the focus where it belongs, geez.

I think his record brings scrutiny due to those he surrounds himself with, and I'd be pizzed if I was mom, I printed out he entire custody re-hearing and IMO the deck was stacked against her big time.......she was honest about her drug use, RC flat out lied (big surprise ::MonkeyRoll:: ).......it was a real eye opener for me and if my child disappeared while in his custody and a teen-substitute wife and everyone had conflicting stories, the LE isn't telling you anything, I'd have done the same thing frankly. It is possible that his ties could have brought danger into the lives of her children too....

see what i posted above you. hes not a wealthy member of some drug cartel, hes just some poor slob. i know you have your own points of personal reference, and i respect that, but i dont feel crystal is some poor snowwhite victim and that ron deserves all our focus.

she couldnt manage to take haleigh to her scheduled drs appts, she couldnt say why she missed school so much, she just put jr needlessly into the spotlight, she owes over 4k in back child support, and i could go on and on. hardly a model mom imo.

We truly don't know for sure what the bounds of his drug issues really are.

I agree CS is not the model mom, but she admitted her faults in court (all of them)-RC was living with her during the missed appts and jr was a baby, shouldn't he have tried to help??? I can understand being back in child support in this economy, you can't get blood from a turnip and I'd pray once she finds a job her support start back up, obviously she's paid in the past or it would be way over 4m........

ya, so what responsible thing does she do? she has yet anotherchild.

in terms of the drugs...

ive said it before, and ill say it again, this whole 'drug' angle makes no sense to me. low level drug dealers dont kidnap kids for revenge, they bust up whoever it is that owes them, they arent going to want to house and care for a kidnapped child.

its time consuming and expensive, not to mention carries a huge sentence upon conviction. if they took it further to murder, theyd murder whoever ripped them off not their kid, police get mighty upset about kidnapped or murdered children, not so much about druggies killed for a dope deal gone bad.


I'm not saying he killed her or that it was due to a drug debt, I'm simply saying that she was under his care and therefore his record (as others) are under more scrutiny than the parent 100 miles away......you should look at both, but I don't think these kids were in the best enviroment or care. Regarding drug deals gone bad, it has happened.do you remember the Movie Alpha Dog, that was a true story about the murder of Nicholas Markowitz whose brother owed the dealer 1200.00. Again, I think that theory is WAY out there, but it HAS happened. I don't feel like it's a SO either, so I am totally theorizing what I feel from what I've observed so far.....

i have looked at both.

theyve confirmed ron was at work the entire time, so i dont think hes any more suspect in that regard than someone who lives a 2 hour drive away.

i have no idea who was responsible, but there are many interesting aspects to explore, and that to me includes a hitherto unknown pedophile who may have been watching her for some time while planning his next move.

Again, I'm not saying he's a suspect, he just seems to have incredibly bad judgement and that does eek it's way into the lives of his kids. I think if it is a SO, it was one that knew the family.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 08:20:48 PM

How long has Ron been on this particular shift? (Is it 3 PM to 3 AM?)

I've heard 5 weeks and other. Anyone know?




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 08:23:44 PM

How long has Ron been on this particular shift? (Is it 3 PM to 3 AM?)

I've heard 5 weeks and other. Anyone know?




I think that's correct, I know it hasn't been that long though......

BBL~off to take a walk on ze beach ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 25, 2009, 08:27:31 PM
apparently Crystal the sister doesn't believe in strapping her children into their child safety seats by the looks of her arrest record....a form of child abuse in my eyes!!! that is just stupid and taking a risk with a child's life...
Also, If the Ron or any other father owed over $4,000 in back child support, he would be lucky that his a$$ was not in jail .....Yet Crystal will get around to paying when she gets a job?? Judge Judy would tell her to wash dishes if she had to...her children still have to eat.....Crystal has probably not paid a cent since Ron has had the kids....Good thing that Ron worked so her kids had a roof over their heads and food...He has his faults but she is not squeaky clean in all of this...she shouldn't have had another kid if she couldn't afford the ones that she has...birth control is free at the clinics for those who don't have health insurance...I am not trying to run this mom down, but it seems as if ron is getting his butt kicked  and I don't think that he is the only one at fault in all of this..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 08:29:59 PM

well, i have to give ron credit for one thing, hes staying focused on haleigh, and just haleigh, not airing dirt family laundry, unlike crystal and relatives. wth would she disclose what jr said to the public, there was no need to, le wouldnt have disclosed that.

keep the focus where it belongs, geez.

I think his record brings scrutiny due to those he surrounds himself with, and I'd be pizzed if I was mom, I printed out he entire custody re-hearing and IMO the deck was stacked against her big time.......she was honest about her drug use, RC flat out lied (big surprise ::MonkeyRoll:: ).......it was a real eye opener for me and if my child disappeared while in his custody and a teen-substitute wife and everyone had conflicting stories, the LE isn't telling you anything, I'd have done the same thing frankly. It is possible that his ties could have brought danger into the lives of her children too....

see what i posted above you. hes not a wealthy member of some drug cartel, hes just some poor slob. i know you have your own points of personal reference, and i respect that, but i dont feel crystal is some poor snowwhite victim and that ron deserves all our focus.

she couldnt manage to take haleigh to her scheduled drs appts, she couldnt say why she missed school so much, she just put jr needlessly into the spotlight, she owes over 4k in back child support, and i could go on and on. hardly a model mom imo.

We truly don't know for sure what the bounds of his drug issues really are.

I agree CS is not the model mom, but she admitted her faults in court (all of them)-RC was living with her during the missed appts and jr was a baby, shouldn't he have tried to help??? I can understand being back in child support in this economy, you can't get blood from a turnip and I'd pray once she finds a job her support start back up, obviously she's paid in the past or it would be way over 4m........

ya, so what responsible thing does she do? she has yet anotherchild.

in terms of the drugs...

ive said it before, and ill say it again, this whole 'drug' angle makes no sense to me. low level drug dealers dont kidnap kids for revenge, they bust up whoever it is that owes them, they arent going to want to house and care for a kidnapped child.

its time consuming and expensive, not to mention carries a huge sentence upon conviction. if they took it further to murder, theyd murder whoever ripped them off not their kid, police get mighty upset about kidnapped or murdered children, not so much about druggies killed for a dope deal gone bad.


I'm not saying he killed her or that it was due to a drug debt, I'm simply saying that she was under his care and therefore his record (as others) are under more scrutiny than the parent 100 miles away......you should look at both, but I don't think these kids were in the best enviroment or care. Regarding drug deals gone bad, it has happened.do you remember the Movie Alpha Dog, that was a true story about the murder of Nicholas Markowitz whose brother owed the dealer 1200.00. Again, I think that theory is WAY out there, but it HAS happened. I don't feel like it's a SO either, so I am totally theorizing what I feel from what I've observed so far.....

i have looked at both.

theyve confirmed ron was at work the entire time, so i dont think hes any more suspect in that regard than someone who lives a 2 hour drive away.

i have no idea who was responsible, but there are many interesting aspects to explore, and that to me includes a hitherto unknown pedophile who may have been watching her for some time while planning his next move.

Again, I'm not saying he's a suspect, he just seems to have incredibly bad judgement and that does eek it's way into the lives of his kids. I think if it is a SO, it was one that knew the family.

i agree that they either knew someone in the family, or knew enough about them to know when it would be 'safest' to abduct the poor little sweetheart.

its just so frustrating not having access to investigative documents, all we can do is speculate. im really scared that if and when she is finally found, it wont be alive, and that just breaks my heart.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 08:31:11 PM

How long has Ron been on this particular shift? (Is it 3 PM to 3 AM?)

I've heard 5 weeks and other. Anyone know?




I think that's correct, I know it hasn't been that long though......

BBL~off to take a walk on ze beach ::MonkeyTongue::

since nov 08.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 25, 2009, 08:31:33 PM
Keep the faith Peanut...She is alive....Praying every nite for the little girl to be returned ...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 08:38:10 PM
How long has Ron been on this particular shift? (Is it 3 PM to 3 AM?)

I've heard 5 weeks and other. Anyone know?
I think that's correct, I know it hasn't been that long though......

BBL~off to take a walk on ze beach ::MonkeyTongue::
Without getting into chance and probability and us all getting a  collective cluster headache, if they've lived there since Nov, (beginning of Nov?) that's a 4 month window for an SO to locate the residence and find a suitable child (gender age etc) that fits his "type." Then further,  there's a five week window, some of which would have to go to establishing Ron's routine of when he is out of the home.

Then there's bumping or "picking" a locked door without leaving traces of forced entry or either "lucking into" Misty leaving the door unlocked - unless she left EVERY night (which I kind of doubt that it's every night)

Then turning on a light and no one waking. Getting Haleigh out without her screaming. (Jr would have reported Sissy screaming) Then getting away with no vehicle tire marks or evidence of a strange vehicle. Was he on foot? Any footprints other than the one Haleigh print? Did the neighbor hear any motorboat noises? Did they look on the land on the other side of lake, river, whatever body of water? Surely so.

Just trying to look at the viable window of opportunity and what hoops he would have to traverse to pull it off and how generally likely those are to have happened. Just a thought.






Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 08:38:22 PM
Keep the faith Peanut...She is alive....Praying every nite for the little girl to be returned ...

im trying, cookie, i really am...im praying as hard as i can, not only for haleigh, but for all the missing and abused children out there. its just so heartbreaking.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 25, 2009, 08:39:09 PM
apparently Crystal the sister doesn't believe in strapping her children into their child safety seats by the looks of her arrest record....a form of child abuse in my eyes!!! that is just stupid and taking a risk with a child's life...
Also, If the Ron or any other father owed over $4,000 in back child support, he would be lucky that his a$$ was not in jail .....Yet Crystal will get around to paying when she gets a job?? Judge Judy would tell her to wash dishes if she had to...her children still have to eat.....Crystal has probably not paid a cent since Ron has had the kids....Good thing that Ron worked so her kids had a roof over their heads and food...He has his faults but she is not squeaky clean in all of this...she shouldn't have had another kid if she couldn't afford the ones that she has...birth control is free at the clinics for those who don't have health insurance...I am not trying to run this mom down, but it seems as if ron is getting his butt kicked  and I don't think that he is the only one at fault in all of this..


according to my notes, Crystal has been ordered to pay $323/month in child support, and is "around" $4100 behind. That means she is a bit over a year in arrears.

I agree, people should not have children if they are not financially capable of supporting them. But, hey, in this country, people actually have kids to get the government support via welfare!!

Just awful.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 25, 2009, 08:41:42 PM
Rana, I thought that it was said that a tracker dog had led them to the edge of the water near a river or lake or some body of water..they have been on the water looking for Haleigh as well...who ever took her must have been on foot don't you think? otherwise, wouldn't the police be checking out tire tracks near the home? unless they have done that already...also for foot prints?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 08:44:20 PM
How long has Ron been on this particular shift? (Is it 3 PM to 3 AM?)

I've heard 5 weeks and other. Anyone know?
I think that's correct, I know it hasn't been that long though......

BBL~off to take a walk on ze beach ::MonkeyTongue::
Without getting into chance and probability and us all getting a  collective cluster headache, if they've lived there since Nov, (beginning of Nov?) that's a 4 month window for an SO to locate the residence and find a suitable child (gender age etc) that fits his "type." Then further,  there's a five week window, some of which would have to go to establishing Ron's routine of when he is out of the home.

Then there's bumping or "picking" a locked door without leaving traces of forced entry or either "lucking into" Misty leaving the door unlocked - unless she left EVERY night (which I kind of doubt that it's every night)

Then turning on a light and no one waking. Getting Haleigh out without her screaming. (Jr would have reported Sissy screaming) Then getting away with no vehicle tire marks or evidence of a strange vehicle. Was he on foot? Any footprints other than the one Haleigh print? Did the neighbor hear any motorboat noises? Did they look on the land on the other side of lake, river, whatever body of water? Surely so.

Just trying to look at the viable window of opportunity and what hoops he would have to traverse to pull it off and how generally likely those are to have happened. Just a thought.






the kitchen light has always bothered me. if someone entered from outside, it would make sense that they waited for a bit before entering. hence their eyes would be accustomed to the dark, so why bother turning on the light?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 25, 2009, 08:44:36 PM
Brandi...you got that right about the welfare and having kids...

whatever happened to getting married and THEN having a child? I realize that anyone can have an accident....but you learn from it and don't go on to have  more kids especially when you can't take care of them... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 25, 2009, 08:45:41 PM
I still  say her dissapearance has something to do with the cousin, there is some kind of connection between the two and I cant figure it out yet, but I just feel like he did something!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 25, 2009, 08:46:31 PM
Peanut..the light bothers me as well...Also, the home is not that big...wouldn't you notice if a light was switched on near your room? why would a perp take the chance of turning on a light and someone seeing him??? makes no sense...they creep around in the dark, like dark houses and bushes outside the dark house to hide in etc....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 25, 2009, 08:47:13 PM
I still  say her dissapearance has something to do with the cousin, there is some kind of connection between the two and I cant figure it out yet, but I just feel like he did something!

supposedly he was cleared though right?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 25, 2009, 08:49:07 PM
I still  say her dissapearance has something to do with the cousin, there is some kind of connection between the two and I cant figure it out yet, but I just feel like he did something!

supposedly he was cleared though right?
well thats what LE said but, how do we know what he could have cookied up in the name of revenge, He didnt neccessarily have to be the one there, he could have sent someone else, I just know he and mistie is involved someway!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 08:53:52 PM
I still  say her dissapearance has something to do with the cousin, there is some kind of connection between the two and I cant figure it out yet, but I just feel like he did something!

supposedly he was cleared though right?
well thats what LE said but, how do we know what he could have cookied up in the name of revenge, He didnt neccessarily have to be the one there, he could have sent someone else, I just know he and mistie is involved someway!

its weird, they keep saying everyone is still a suspect, and yet hes the only one to be reported as cleared. makes you wonder if its to give him a false sense of security.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 25, 2009, 08:54:41 PM
I still  say her dissapearance has something to do with the cousin, there is some kind of connection between the two and I cant figure it out yet, but I just feel like he did something!

supposedly he was cleared though right?
well thats what LE said but, how do we know what he could have cookied up in the name of revenge, He didnt neccessarily have to be the one there, he could have sent someone else, I just know he and mistie is involved someway!
also, there was a train that came by about the same time that the Le drove up to the Cummings house, if someone jumped on that train and then jumped off again 20 miles down the road, unless they left any clues how would anybody know?   I myself as a child me and my brothers use to do this because we knew where this train track went and we would crawl into the empty box-car and ride for about 6 miles and then jump off and go to my aunts house and it was no big deal, so I know it can be done!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 25, 2009, 08:55:34 PM
I still  say her dissapearance has something to do with the cousin, there is some kind of connection between the two and I cant figure it out yet, but I just feel like he did something!

supposedly he was cleared though right?
well thats what LE said but, how do we know what he could have cookied up in the name of revenge, He didnt neccessarily have to be the one there, he could have sent someone else, I just know he and mistie is involved someway!

its weird, they keep saying everyone is still a suspect, and yet hes the only one to be reported as cleared. makes you wonder if its to give him a false sense of security.

Very weird. Talking out of both sides of their mouth. Everyone is a suspect ... this one is cleared. Make up your mind.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 09:16:45 PM
I still  say her dissapearance has something to do with the cousin, there is some kind of connection between the two and I cant figure it out yet, but I just feel like he did something!

supposedly he was cleared though right?
well thats what LE said but, how do we know what he could have cookied up in the name of revenge, He didnt neccessarily have to be the one there, he could have sent someone else, I just know he and mistie is involved someway!

its weird, they keep saying everyone is still a suspect, and yet hes the only one to be reported as cleared. makes you wonder if its to give him a false sense of security.

Very weird. Talking out of both sides of their mouth. Everyone is a suspect ... this one is cleared. Make up your mind.

ya brandi, i just dont get it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 25, 2009, 09:21:25 PM
That was a good thought that was brought up, I have heard nothing about car or truck tracks, and the only footprint I have heard about was a child's footprint. So if we are to think an intruder took Haleigh, how did this person get there and how did he leave, and I also have a hard time believing Haleigh didn't scream or struggle, something that would have made someone wake up. And has anyone heard more about neighbors hearing noises coming from the home? Nothing seems to make much sense with the little bit of info we have.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 09:35:48 PM
That was a good thought that was brought up, I have heard nothing about car or truck tracks, and the only footprint I have heard about was a child's footprint. So if we are to think an intruder took Haleigh, how did this person get there and how did he leave, and I also have a hard time believing Haleigh didn't scream or struggle, something that would have made someone wake up. And has anyone heard more about neighbors hearing noises coming from the home? Nothing seems to make much sense with the little bit of info we have.

im curious about the cars and trucks too. they could have parked away from the home, but where exactly? how many paths that are secluded are there in that area? the hour would give some added chance of not being seen, but how far could one take her in a hurry?

i hate to say this in answer to the last part of your post...duct tape over the mouth, a quick conk to the head or even chloroform, would take care of the noise aspect.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 25, 2009, 09:37:17 PM
That was a good thought that was brought up, I have heard nothing about car or truck tracks, and the only footprint I have heard about was a child's footprint. So if we are to think an intruder took Haleigh, how did this person get there and how did he leave, and I also have a hard time believing Haleigh didn't scream or struggle, something that would have made someone wake up. And has anyone heard more about neighbors hearing noises coming from the home? Nothing seems to make much sense with the little bit of info we have.

im curious about the cars and trucks too. they could have parked away from the home, but where exactly? how many paths that are secluded are there in that area? the hour would give some added chance of not being seen, but how far could one take her in a hurry?

i hate to say this in answer to the last part of your post...duct tape over the mouth, a quick conk to the head or even chloroform, would take care of the noise aspect.
Please dont say that!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 09:46:44 PM
im sorry, i know its horrible to even think of.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 10:01:44 PM
apparently Crystal the sister doesn't believe in strapping her children into their child safety seats by the looks of her arrest record....a form of child abuse in my eyes!!! that is just stupid and taking a risk with a child's life...
Also, If the Ron or any other father owed over $4,000 in back child support, he would be lucky that his a$$ was not in jail .....Yet Crystal will get around to paying when she gets a job?? Judge Judy would tell her to wash dishes if she had to...her children still have to eat.....Crystal has probably not paid a cent since Ron has had the kids....Good thing that Ron worked so her kids had a roof over their heads and food...He has his faults but she is not squeaky clean in all of this...she shouldn't have had another kid if she couldn't afford the ones that she has...birth control is free at the clinics for those who don't have health insurance...I am not trying to run this mom down, but it seems as if ron is getting his butt kicked  and I don't think that he is the only one at fault in all of this..


according to my notes, Crystal has been ordered to pay $323/month in child support, and is "around" $4100 behind. That means she is a bit over a year in arrears.

I agree, people should not have children if they are not financially capable of supporting them. But, hey, in this country, people actually have kids to get the government support via welfare!!

Just awful.

How old the is new Chloe baby of bio mom Crystal? I wonder if she worked during the pregnancy? Just curious. Not arguing. .  ::MonkeyCool::



 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 25, 2009, 10:05:31 PM
im sorry, i know its horrible to even think of.
But your right that very well could have happened, unless she is the type of person that could sleep through anything, and being picked up from the bed and brought to wherever without waking up. I have to say none of this is making any sense, to many pieces of the puzzle missing.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 25, 2009, 10:06:12 PM
I think Chloe is 9 or 10 months.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 10:07:59 PM
apparently Crystal the sister doesn't believe in strapping her children into their child safety seats by the looks of her arrest record....a form of child abuse in my eyes!!! that is just stupid and taking a risk with a child's life...
Also, If the Ron or any other father owed over $4,000 in back child support, he would be lucky that his a$$ was not in jail .....Yet Crystal will get around to paying when she gets a job?? Judge Judy would tell her to wash dishes if she had to...her children still have to eat.....Crystal has probably not paid a cent since Ron has had the kids....Good thing that Ron worked so her kids had a roof over their heads and food...He has his faults but she is not squeaky clean in all of this...she shouldn't have had another kid if she couldn't afford the ones that she has...birth control is free at the clinics for those who don't have health insurance...I am not trying to run this mom down, but it seems as if ron is getting his butt kicked  and I don't think that he is the only one at fault in all of this..


according to my notes, Crystal has been ordered to pay $323/month in child support, and is "around" $4100 behind. That means she is a bit over a year in arrears.

I agree, people should not have children if they are not financially capable of supporting them. But, hey, in this country, people actually have kids to get the government support via welfare!!

Just awful.

How old the is new Chloe baby of bio mom Crystal? I wonder if she worked during the pregnancy? Just curious. Not arguing. .  ::MonkeyCool::



 

http://bakercountypress.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1375&Itemid=79 (http://bakercountypress.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1375&Itemid=79)

birth announcement. shes 10 months old.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 10:09:26 PM
im sorry, i know its horrible to even think of.
But your right that very well could have happened, unless she is the type of person that could sleep through anything, and being picked up from the bed and brought to wherever without waking up. I have to say none of this is making any sense, to many pieces of the puzzle missing.

i know. its just so frustrating.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 25, 2009, 10:13:35 PM
im sorry, i know its horrible to even think of.
But your right that very well could have happened, unless she is the type of person that could sleep through anything, and being picked up from the bed and brought to wherever without waking up. I have to say none of this is making any sense, to many pieces of the puzzle missing.

i know. its just so frustrating.
thats the reason I say there is something that is missing here! The cousin had already met Haleigh, she may not have cried if she woke up and he was carrying her, he could have said Im taking you to your Dad he wanted me to come get you, something like that, and she might have just went back to sleep!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 10:14:00 PM
does anyone know yardwise, just how close the nearest body of water is? maybe a boat could have been used?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 25, 2009, 10:16:17 PM
does anyone know yardwise, just how close the nearest body of water is? maybe a boat could have been used?
I dont know the real distance, but I know its close enough to walk to because I heard that Ronald has walked down there and gone fishing before!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 25, 2009, 10:19:56 PM
How long has Ron been on this particular shift? (Is it 3 PM to 3 AM?)

I've heard 5 weeks and other. Anyone know?
I think that's correct, I know it hasn't been that long though......

BBL~off to take a walk on ze beach ::MonkeyTongue::
Without getting into chance and probability and us all getting a  collective cluster headache, if they've lived there since Nov, (beginning of Nov?) that's a 4 month window for an SO to locate the residence and find a suitable child (gender age etc) that fits his "type." Then further,  there's a five week window, some of which would have to go to establishing Ron's routine of when he is out of the home.

Then there's bumping or "picking" a locked door without leaving traces of forced entry or either "lucking into" Misty leaving the door unlocked - unless she left EVERY night (which I kind of doubt that it's every night)

Then turning on a light and no one waking. Getting Haleigh out without her screaming. (Jr would have reported Sissy screaming) Then getting away with no vehicle tire marks or evidence of a strange vehicle. Was he on foot? Any footprints other than the one Haleigh print? Did the neighbor hear any motorboat noises? Did they look on the land on the other side of lake, river, whatever body of water? Surely so.

Just trying to look at the viable window of opportunity and what hoops he would have to traverse to pull it off and how generally likely those are to have happened. Just a thought.






Good Enening monkey's fell asleep again...

The trail of haleigh stop by the railroad tracks... I was thinking maybe there was a vehicle

parked by the railroad tracks.. Maybe end of Tyler -comes to the mind ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 10:20:39 PM
does anyone know yardwise, just how close the nearest body of water is? maybe a boat could have been used?
I dont know the real distance, but I know its close enough to walk to because I heard that Ronald has walked down there and gone fishing before!

ya thats what i was wondering, it doesnt sound like a terribly long distance, and a boat could be another possibility as an escape.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 25, 2009, 10:22:18 PM
apparently Crystal the sister doesn't believe in strapping her children into their child safety seats by the looks of her arrest record....a form of child abuse in my eyes!!! that is just stupid and taking a risk with a child's life...
Also, If the Ron or any other father owed over $4,000 in back child support, he would be lucky that his a$$ was not in jail .....Yet Crystal will get around to paying when she gets a job?? Judge Judy would tell her to wash dishes if she had to...her children still have to eat.....Crystal has probably not paid a cent since Ron has had the kids....Good thing that Ron worked so her kids had a roof over their heads and food...He has his faults but she is not squeaky clean in all of this...she shouldn't have had another kid if she couldn't afford the ones that she has...birth control is free at the clinics for those who don't have health insurance...I am not trying to run this mom down, but it seems as if ron is getting his butt kicked  and I don't think that he is the only one at fault in all of this..


according to my notes, Crystal has been ordered to pay $323/month in child support, and is "around" $4100 behind. That means she is a bit over a year in arrears.

I agree, people should not have children if they are not financially capable of supporting them. But, hey, in this country, people actually have kids to get the government support via welfare!!

Just awful.

How old the is new Chloe baby of bio mom Crystal? I wonder if she worked during the pregnancy? Just curious. Not arguing. .  ::MonkeyCool::



 

I heard her mother say that she quit working when pregnant and was looking for work now.

(I could not afford to quit working when I was pregnant. Most people don't, I believe.)

Just sayin.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 10:24:06 PM
That was a good thought that was brought up, I have heard nothing about car or truck tracks, and the only footprint I have heard about was a child's footprint. So if we are to think an intruder took Haleigh, how did this person get there and how did he leave, and I also have a hard time believing Haleigh didn't scream or struggle, something that would have made someone wake up. And has anyone heard more about neighbors hearing noises coming from the home? Nothing seems to make much sense with the little bit of info we have.

im curious about the cars and trucks too. they could have parked away from the home, but where exactly? how many paths that are secluded are there in that area? the hour would give some added chance of not being seen, but how far could one take her in a hurry?

i hate to say this in answer to the last part of your post...duct tape over the mouth, a quick conk to the head or even chloroform, would take care of the noise aspect.


Please dont say that!

I know, Peanut,  you're just exploring possibilities and trying to put it together - which means tediously ruling out the liklihood of various things one by one. Can someone maneuver chloroform in that scenario without spilling any? It's a liquid for those purposes right?  Doesn't it stink to high Heaven if it were spilled ...a drop?

Was it dark except for the kitchen light? Or in a small space that could illuminate a lot of area, even into the bedroom maybe? Need to look at the trailer layout. I know we had some prototype blueprint-esque sort of things the other day, but did we ever get their actual trailer model layout? There was some question about there being a master bath in one model vs no master bath in a different model etc. And with duct tape I think you'd get some extreme squirming and kicking and ruckus which increases the knock-something-over factor.

Also, good point about the parking a bit away train of thought. We had a map or areial view of the area somewhere here. I want to look at that again.

Not arguing with you, in case it sounds that way -  just hashing out point by point and wondering what everyone's feedback is.... which is what drew me to this board in the first place. Altho this is not the ideal medium. Just thinking out loud. I wish we could talk or at least see each other on webcams at times b/c some words come across as hostile or argumentative when they're not meant that way.

(However that would require me to put on pants.)


KIDDING!  ::MonkeyDance::




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 25, 2009, 10:25:08 PM
does anyone know yardwise, just how close the nearest body of water is? maybe a boat could have been used?
I dont know the real distance, but I know its close enough to walk to because I heard that Ronald has walked down there and gone fishing before!

ya thats what i was wondering, it doesnt sound like a terribly long distance, and a boat could be another possibility as an escape.
yea but I kinda dont agree with this theory, this river is a really slow moving river which means you need a motor, and of course headlights, as its very dark, and it goes past alot of homes and I think someone would notice this!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 25, 2009, 10:33:16 PM
RC's pastor is on, he stated RC is not an official informant........curious as to why he chose to throw in the word "official"...weird

Ah yes, the pastor... He certainly did Ron no favors with some of what he said tonight.  I agree with you about the comment "not an 'official' informant", made me immediately think, okay was he an unofficial informant then? 

And then the pastor talks about how Ron has been trying to do the right thing, turn his life around, etc.  Then he says he talked with Ron who told him (something to the effect of) he worked his 8 hour shift and went home.  Specifically said EIGHT hours.  Ermmm.. Ron supposedly works a 12 hour shift.  Was the pastor saying that Ron told him he had worked 8 hours that day?   ::MonkeyEek::

We've heard that Ron supposedly works from 3 pm to 3 am.  And yet...

We've heard Ron say that he picked Haleigh up from the bus stop, taking her home before going to work.  That would have put him at work around 4 pm or so.  If he had worked 8 hours, as the pastor said, that would have put him back home around midnight. 

In one of Misty's earliest everchanging stories, I heard her say that she checked on the kids before going to sleep at 10 pm, covering Haleigh up with the blanket she had washed and dried.  And then, "when WE woke up it was around 3 am".  She didn't ever repeat the WE again.  But I wondered then... Who is the WE she had referred to? 

Could it have been Ron?  Could he have been at home from midnight on??  ::MonkeyEek:: 
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 25, 2009, 10:36:35 PM
RC's pastor is on, he stated RC is not an official informant........curious as to why he chose to throw in the word "official"...weird

Ah yes, the pastor... He certainly did Ron no favors with some of what he said tonight.  I agree with you about the comment "not an 'official' informant", made me immediately think, okay was he an unofficial informant then? 

And then the pastor talks about how Ron has been trying to do the right thing, turn his life around, etc.  Then he says he talked with Ron who told him (something to the effect of) he worked his 8 hour shift and went home.  Specifically said EIGHT hours.  Ermmm.. Ron supposedly works a 12 hour shift.  Was the pastor saying that Ron told him he had worked 8 hours that day?   ::MonkeyEek::

We've heard that Ron supposedly works from 3 pm to 3 am.  And yet...

We've heard Ron say that he picked Haleigh up from the bus stop, taking her home before going to work.  That would have put him at work around 4 pm or so.  If he had worked 8 hours, as the pastor said, that would have put him back home around midnight. 

In one of Misty's earliest everchanging stories, I heard her say that she checked on the kids before going to sleep at 10 pm, covering Haleigh up with the blanket she had washed and dried.  And then, "when WE woke up it was around 3 am".  She didn't ever repeat the WE again.  But I wondered then... Who is the WE she had referred to? 

Could it have been Ron?  Could he have been at home from midnight on??  ::MonkeyEek:: 
 

Hi Wyks. Some in the court hearing doc stated he worked from 6pm to 3am. But who knows-I did pick up the we part woke up.... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 10:38:17 PM
That was a good thought that was brought up, I have heard nothing about car or truck tracks, and the only footprint I have heard about was a child's footprint. So if we are to think an intruder took Haleigh, how did this person get there and how did he leave, and I also have a hard time believing Haleigh didn't scream or struggle, something that would have made someone wake up. And has anyone heard more about neighbors hearing noises coming from the home? Nothing seems to make much sense with the little bit of info we have.

im curious about the cars and trucks too. they could have parked away from the home, but where exactly? how many paths that are secluded are there in that area? the hour would give some added chance of not being seen, but how far could one take her in a hurry?

i hate to say this in answer to the last part of your post...duct tape over the mouth, a quick conk to the head or even chloroform, would take care of the noise aspect.


Please dont say that!

I know, Peanut,  you're just exploring possibilities and trying to put it together - which means tediously ruling out the liklihood of various things one by one. Can someone maneuver chloroform in that scenario without spilling any? It's a liquid for those purposes right?  Doesn't it stink to high Heaven if it were spilled ...a drop?

Was it dark except for the kitchen light? Or in a small space that could illuminate a lot of area, even into the bedroom maybe? Need to look at the trailer layout. I know we had some prototype blueprint-esque sort of things the other day, but did we ever get their actual trailer model layout? There was some question about there being a master bath in one model vs no master bath in a different model etc. And with duct tape I think you'd get some extreme squirming and kicking and ruckus which increases the knock-something-over factor.

Also, good point about the parking a bit away train of thought. We had a map or areial view of the area somewhere here. I want to look at that again.

Not arguing with you, in case it sounds that way -  just hashing out point by point and wondering what everyone's feedback is.... which is what drew me to this board in the first place. Altho this is not the ideal medium. Just thinking out loud. I wish we could talk or at least see each other on webcams at times b/c some words come across as hostile or argumentative when they're not meant that way.

(However that would require me to put on pants.)


KIDDING!  ::MonkeyDance::




haha no worries, i dont offend very easily.

ok, ill be devils advocate.

1- chloroform could be put on a cloth before entering the home. yes, its a liquid.

2- duct tape, already cut in a strip, could be placed over a mouth pretty quickly if the subject was already asleep.

3- a quick blow to the head could also apply re sleeping subject.

4- if someone waited outside for the right time to enter, their eyes would already be accustomed to the dark.


i, too, wish we had a floor plan of the trailor. id also love a good detailed map of the area that included both the well known and lesser known paths.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 25, 2009, 10:39:24 PM

New video of Haleigh on Greta... just a small clip opening Christmas presents this past Christmas.

Phone interview w/Crystal's mother.  She said she's heard rumors that put Misty at a party house that night and had left someone else to stay with the children.  Rumors only

Asked by Greta what she thinks should be done, said she'd be talking extensively to RC & Misty because they're the ones who are there every day & know who has been in and around the house.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 10:40:20 PM
RC's pastor is on, he stated RC is not an official informant........curious as to why he chose to throw in the word "official"...weird

Ah yes, the pastor... He certainly did Ron no favors with some of what he said tonight.  I agree with you about the comment "not an 'official' informant", made me immediately think, okay was he an unofficial informant then? 

And then the pastor talks about how Ron has been trying to do the right thing, turn his life around, etc.  Then he says he talked with Ron who told him (something to the effect of) he worked his 8 hour shift and went home.  Specifically said EIGHT hours.  Ermmm.. Ron supposedly works a 12 hour shift.  Was the pastor saying that Ron told him he had worked 8 hours that day?   ::MonkeyEek::

We've heard that Ron supposedly works from 3 pm to 3 am.  And yet...

We've heard Ron say that he picked Haleigh up from the bus stop, taking her home before going to work.  That would have put him at work around 4 pm or so.  If he had worked 8 hours, as the pastor said, that would have put him back home around midnight. 

In one of Misty's earliest everchanging stories, I heard her say that she checked on the kids before going to sleep at 10 pm, covering Haleigh up with the blanket she had washed and dried.  And then, "when WE woke up it was around 3 am".  She didn't ever repeat the WE again.  But I wondered then... Who is the WE she had referred to? 

Could it have been Ron?  Could he have been at home from midnight on??  ::MonkeyEek:: 
 

Hi Wyks. Some in the court hearing doc stated he worked from 6pm to 3am. But who knows-I did pick up the we part woke up.... ::MonkeyTongue::

i always assumed she meant jr and her since they were in the same bed.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 25, 2009, 10:42:41 PM
RC's pastor is on, he stated RC is not an official informant........curious as to why he chose to throw in the word "official"...weird

Ah yes, the pastor... He certainly did Ron no favors with some of what he said tonight.  I agree with you about the comment "not an 'official' informant", made me immediately think, okay was he an unofficial informant then? 

And then the pastor talks about how Ron has been trying to do the right thing, turn his life around, etc.  Then he says he talked with Ron who told him (something to the effect of) he worked his 8 hour shift and went home.  Specifically said EIGHT hours.  Ermmm.. Ron supposedly works a 12 hour shift.  Was the pastor saying that Ron told him he had worked 8 hours that day?   ::MonkeyEek::

We've heard that Ron supposedly works from 3 pm to 3 am.  And yet...

We've heard Ron say that he picked Haleigh up from the bus stop, taking her home before going to work.  That would have put him at work around 4 pm or so.  If he had worked 8 hours, as the pastor said, that would have put him back home around midnight. 

In one of Misty's earliest everchanging stories, I heard her say that she checked on the kids before going to sleep at 10 pm, covering Haleigh up with the blanket she had washed and dried.  And then, "when WE woke up it was around 3 am".  She didn't ever repeat the WE again.  But I wondered then... Who is the WE she had referred to? 

Could it have been Ron?  Could he have been at home from midnight on??  ::MonkeyEek:: 
 

Hi Wyks. Some in the court hearing doc stated he worked from 6pm to 3am. But who knows-I did pick up the we part woke up.... ::MonkeyTongue::

i always assumed she meant jr and her since they were in the same bed.

Grandmom stated Jr did not wake up until he heard them calling for Haleigh.. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 10:44:46 PM
Rana, I thought that it was said that a tracker dog had led them to the edge of the water near a river or lake or some body of water..they have been on the water looking for Haleigh as well...who ever took her must have been on foot don't you think? otherwise, wouldn't the police be checking out tire tracks near the home? unless they have done that already...also for foot prints?

Thank you. yes. So that makes me want to ask was Haleigh out playing with the kids when Misty's brother visited? Or more importantly, how long does scent linger?

I wonder if they traced Jr's scent too like.... was he playing with her if she was playing outside at all? (I don't know that she was  -- just throwing it out there.) .  ::MonkeyCool::

Either if we knew how long scent lingers or if weknew if the other kid/s' scent was found around the same spots too, maybe it would help distinguish if her scent was there from her playing that afternoon/evening or from her being abducted. I know LE knows what they know and they haven't released it; but that doesn't stop us  from trying to tweeze it out for oursleves and guessing at it for the time being. .  ::MonkeyConfused::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 10:45:36 PM
RC's pastor is on, he stated RC is not an official informant........curious as to why he chose to throw in the word "official"...weird

Ah yes, the pastor... He certainly did Ron no favors with some of what he said tonight.  I agree with you about the comment "not an 'official' informant", made me immediately think, okay was he an unofficial informant then? 

And then the pastor talks about how Ron has been trying to do the right thing, turn his life around, etc.  Then he says he talked with Ron who told him (something to the effect of) he worked his 8 hour shift and went home.  Specifically said EIGHT hours.  Ermmm.. Ron supposedly works a 12 hour shift.  Was the pastor saying that Ron told him he had worked 8 hours that day?   ::MonkeyEek::

We've heard that Ron supposedly works from 3 pm to 3 am.  And yet...

We've heard Ron say that he picked Haleigh up from the bus stop, taking her home before going to work.  That would have put him at work around 4 pm or so.  If he had worked 8 hours, as the pastor said, that would have put him back home around midnight. 

In one of Misty's earliest everchanging stories, I heard her say that she checked on the kids before going to sleep at 10 pm, covering Haleigh up with the blanket she had washed and dried.  And then, "when WE woke up it was around 3 am".  She didn't ever repeat the WE again.  But I wondered then... Who is the WE she had referred to? 

Could it have been Ron?  Could he have been at home from midnight on??  ::MonkeyEek:: 
 
::MonkeyShocked:: I just popped back on and was catching up.......WYKS~great catch, I didn't even catch that part......but, I've heard the statement you are referring to as well and twice from Ron, he said he left the kids in bed at 10pm under Misty's care........now, we have to ask was the employer lying when he said Ron was at work the entire time, or if he only worked 8 hrs-that opens a whole new can of worms ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Bud's Girl on February 25, 2009, 10:48:19 PM

On that statement from the pastor about "he's not an official informant" .... right before that he said "That's not to say he (RC) hasn't done things he doesn't regret ... but he's not an official informant".   I think that went together and if so, would add meaning to the not-an-official-informant. 

But JVM was moving on, didn't catch the official informant part.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 10:51:34 PM
RC's pastor is on, he stated RC is not an official informant........curious as to why he chose to throw in the word "official"...weird

Ah yes, the pastor... He certainly did Ron no favors with some of what he said tonight.  I agree with you about the comment "not an 'official' informant", made me immediately think, okay was he an unofficial informant then? 

And then the pastor talks about how Ron has been trying to do the right thing, turn his life around, etc.  Then he says he talked with Ron who told him (something to the effect of) he worked his 8 hour shift and went home.  Specifically said EIGHT hours.  Ermmm.. Ron supposedly works a 12 hour shift.  Was the pastor saying that Ron told him he had worked 8 hours that day?   ::MonkeyEek::

We've heard that Ron supposedly works from 3 pm to 3 am.  And yet...

We've heard Ron say that he picked Haleigh up from the bus stop, taking her home before going to work.  That would have put him at work around 4 pm or so.  If he had worked 8 hours, as the pastor said, that would have put him back home around midnight. 

In one of Misty's earliest everchanging stories, I heard her say that she checked on the kids before going to sleep at 10 pm, covering Haleigh up with the blanket she had washed and dried.  And then, "when WE woke up it was around 3 am".  She didn't ever repeat the WE again.  But I wondered then... Who is the WE she had referred to? 

Could it have been Ron?  Could he have been at home from midnight on??  ::MonkeyEek:: 
 

Hi Wyks. Some in the court hearing doc stated he worked from 6pm to 3am. But who knows-I did pick up the we part woke up.... ::MonkeyTongue::

Aren't the doc's you are referring to the custody re-hearing or another site, if they were the custody ones, he had just started work for another company, not PDM.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 10:52:53 PM

On that statement from the pastor about "he's not an official informant" .... right before that he said "That's not to say he (RC) hasn't done things he doesn't regret ... but he's not an official informant".   I think that went together and if so, would add meaning to the not-an-official-informant. 

But JVM was moving on, didn't catch the official informant part.



I noticed it right away, I guess it went right over the mullet ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on February 25, 2009, 10:54:58 PM
RC's pastor is on, he stated RC is not an official informant........curious as to why he chose to throw in the word "official"...weird

Ah yes, the pastor... He certainly did Ron no favors with some of what he said tonight.  I agree with you about the comment "not an 'official' informant", made me immediately think, okay was he an unofficial informant then? 

And then the pastor talks about how Ron has been trying to do the right thing, turn his life around, etc.  Then he says he talked with Ron who told him (something to the effect of) he worked his 8 hour shift and went home.  Specifically said EIGHT hours.  Ermmm.. Ron supposedly works a 12 hour shift.  Was the pastor saying that Ron told him he had worked 8 hours that day?   ::MonkeyEek::

We've heard that Ron supposedly works from 3 pm to 3 am.  And yet...

We've heard Ron say that he picked Haleigh up from the bus stop, taking her home before going to work.  That would have put him at work around 4 pm or so.  If he had worked 8 hours, as the pastor said, that would have put him back home around midnight. 

In one of Misty's earliest everchanging stories, I heard her say that she checked on the kids before going to sleep at 10 pm, covering Haleigh up with the blanket she had washed and dried.  And then, "when WE woke up it was around 3 am".  She didn't ever repeat the WE again.  But I wondered then... Who is the WE she had referred to? 

Could it have been Ron?  Could he have been at home from midnight on??  ::MonkeyEek:: 
 

Hi Wyks. Some in the court hearing doc stated he worked from 6pm to 3am. But who knows-I did pick up the we part woke up.... ::MonkeyTongue::

Aren't the doc's you are referring to the custody re-hearing or another site, if they were the custody ones, he had just started work for another company, not PDM.

yep- But trying to fugure out where the 8 hours came from the pastor.. Maybe the pastor made a mistake by saying 8 hours or maybe crane operators start @ 6pm like his other job... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 10:55:49 PM
RC's pastor is on, he stated RC is not an official informant........curious as to why he chose to throw in the word "official"...weird

Ah yes, the pastor... He certainly did Ron no favors with some of what he said tonight.  I agree with you about the comment "not an 'official' informant", made me immediately think, okay was he an unofficial informant then? 

And then the pastor talks about how Ron has been trying to do the right thing, turn his life around, etc.  Then he says he talked with Ron who told him (something to the effect of) he worked his 8 hour shift and went home.  Specifically said EIGHT hours.  Ermmm.. Ron supposedly works a 12 hour shift.  Was the pastor saying that Ron told him he had worked 8 hours that day?   ::MonkeyEek::

We've heard that Ron supposedly works from 3 pm to 3 am.  And yet...

We've heard Ron say that he picked Haleigh up from the bus stop, taking her home before going to work.  That would have put him at work around 4 pm or so.  If he had worked 8 hours, as the pastor said, that would have put him back home around midnight. 

In one of Misty's earliest everchanging stories, I heard her say that she checked on the kids before going to sleep at 10 pm, covering Haleigh up with the blanket she had washed and dried.  And then, "when WE woke up it was around 3 am".  She didn't ever repeat the WE again.  But I wondered then... Who is the WE she had referred to? 

Could it have been Ron?  Could he have been at home from midnight on??  ::MonkeyEek:: 
 
::MonkeyShocked:: I just popped back on and was catching up.......WYKS~great catch, I didn't even catch that part......but, I've heard the statement you are referring to as well and twice from Ron, he said he left the kids in bed at 10pm under Misty's care........now, we have to ask was the employer lying when he said Ron was at work the entire time, or if he only worked 8 hrs-that opens a whole new can of worms ::MonkeyTongue::

one would think that as one of the first people le would look at, that theyve checked and verified his work alibi seven ways from sunday. if it didnt check out id bet all the media would be allllll over it by now.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 10:59:38 PM
ok I see we don't have the rest of the families bad histories here yet, I'm off to steal it, so we can get caught up and even out the drug infested scourge both sides are....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 10:59:57 PM
Peanut..the light bothers me as well...Also, the home is not that big...wouldn't you notice if a light was switched on near your room? why would a perp take the chance of turning on a light and someone seeing him??? makes no sense...they creep around in the dark, like dark houses and bushes outside the dark house to hide in etc....

Big fat yes to Peanut and Cookie and.. and sorry I forgot who else.... about the light being a red flag. Has always bothered me. Not impossible, but really peculiar and seems sort of generally unlikey and weird.

But then we're speculating this from the perspective that Miss Misty was home to even SEE the light going on. And jr. may not be as likely to notice a light. Or woud he? And even if he did, what would he likely do? He doesn't have a lot of options.

Still the more light, the better that someone will see you and ID you.. if there's anyone there to see you and ID you. And then the less light, the more bumping into stuff and knocking stuff over; But yet again if there's no one there but two kids under 5..... and perp knows that.

But that brings me back to...why no trace of the guy? Tracks, prints, tires, feet, etc. Is the ground so hard or grassy or whatever that there are NO prints or traces of people walking? No tracks or trace of someone going all those yards to "fetch" (southern) (TM me) the cinderblock aka "brick?" (TM Misty)

And Ron doesn't strike me as the type of dude not to know what's in his yard. Did he not say he had no awareness of a stack of cinderblocks or am I  losing it and need a nap?  ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 11:01:19 PM
Get ready for it....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 11:02:58 PM
ok I see we don't have the rest of the families bad histories here yet, I'm off to steal it, so we can get caught up and even out the drug infested scourge both sides are....

sneaky monkey~I do the same, I do know CS's mom has a drug charge IIRC from 1997, dealing from house, mary jane possesion etc.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 11:03:19 PM
SHEFFIELD, NANCY MARIE
1997-07-28 1 ARREST REPORT - POSSESSION OF CANNABIS, POSSESSION WITN
1997-07-28 1 INTENT TO SELL OR DELIVER, MAINTAINING A DRUG DWELLING,
1997-07-28 1 POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA
1997-07-28 1 BOND SET AT $3,016.
1997-07-28 2 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY
1997-07-28 3 APPEARANCE BOND - (UNSECURED)
1997-07-28 4 DEFENDANT'S NOTIFICATION OF BOND CONDITIONS
1997-08-11 5 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE BY RONALD E. CLARK & PLEA
1997-08-11 6 DEMAND FOR DISCOVERY
1997-09-29 7 INFORMATION (UNLAWFUL POSS. W/INTENT TO SELL OR
1997-09-29 7 DELIVER A CONT. SUBSTANCE, MAINTAINING A DRUG DWELLING)
1997-10-01 8 ORDER SETTING PRE-TRIAL 11/25/97
1997-10-01 9 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT 11/25/97
1997-10-01 10 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY 11/25/97
1997-10-06 11 STATE'S NOTICE OF INTENT TO SEEK JUDGEMENT FOR COSTS OF
1997-10-06 11 INVESTIGATON AND PROSECUTION
1997-10-06 12 ANSWER TO NOTICE OF DISCOVERY, DEMAND FOR NOTICE OF
1997-10-06 12 INTENTION TO CLAIM ALIBI WITNESS LIST
1997-11-25 13 PRE-TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, ATTENDED BY COUNSEL,
1997-11-25 13 RONALD CLARK. CASE SET FOR PLEA DAY 12/11/97
1997-11-25 14 NOTICE GIVEN TO DEFT. 12/11/97
1997-11-25 15 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT 12/11/97
1997-11-25 16 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY 12/11/97
1997-12-11 17 PLEA MIN: DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY, RONNIE CLARK.
1997-12-11 17 W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD GUILTY A/C CT I AND II UNLAWFUL POSS
1997-12-11 17 W/INTENT TO SELL OR DELIVER A CONT. SUB, MAINTAINING A
1997-12-11 17 DRUG DWELLING, ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 5YRS AND OR $5000 FINE
1997-12-11 17 1YR AND OR $1000 FINE, PL ACCEPTED, PSI ORDERED, CASE
1997-12-11 17 SET FOR SENTENCING 1/27/98 STATE RECOMM. GUIDELINE SENTENCE
1997-12-11 17 IF NO PRIOR CONVICTIONS AND RECMM W/HOLD ADJ. STATE NOT
1997-12-11 17 TO FILE ADDITIONAL CHARGES.
1997-12-15 18 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT 01/27/98
1997-12-15 19 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY 01/27/98
1998-01-27 20 SCORESHEET FILED
1998-01-27 21 SENTENCING MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY RONALD CLARK.
1998-01-27 21 COURT WITHHELD ADJ. OF GUILT, ORDERED TO PAY $255 COURT COST
1998-01-27 21 AS TO CT. I SENTENCED TO 3YRS PROBATION, AS TO CT. II 1YRS
1998-01-27 21 PROBATION, RUN CONCURRENT WITH CT. I. TO PAY $25 COST OF
1998-01-27 21 SUPERVISION, TO COMPLETE OUT-IN PATIENT SUBSTANCE ABUSE
1998-01-27 21 COUNSELING AND TREATMENT IF NECESSARY AND PAY FOR ANY FEES
1998-01-27 21 OCCURED. TO PERFORM 50HRS. COMMUNITY SERVICE.
1998-01-27 22 ORDER WITHHOLDING ADJUDICATION OF GUILT AND PLACING
1998-01-27 22 DEFENDANT ON PROBATION - ENT MIN CIR CT BK276 PG662-665
1999-08-02 23 $22.69 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE
1999-08-06 24 $62.50 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE
1999-08-17 25 $37.19 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE
1999-08-23 26 $52.62 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE
2000-03-13 27 ORDER OF MODIFICATION OF PROBATION
2000-03-13 27 ENT MIN CIR CT - BK. 319 PG. 73-74
2003-03-28 28 LETTER FROM DEFENDANT/REQUEST FOR COPIES/NO MONIES SENT
2003-04-09 29 LETTER FROM DEFENDANT/$7.00/REQUEST FOR COPIES OF J & S
2003-04-09 29 MAILED 04-15-2003


SHEFFIELD, NANCY MARIE
2000-05-18 1 COMPLAINT: JOHNNY LAURAMORE BATTERY-DVR
2000-08-24 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php
put sheffield, % in search field



woohoo granny who's got drug connections


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 11:05:20 PM
Peanut..the light bothers me as well...Also, the home is not that big...wouldn't you notice if a light was switched on near your room? why would a perp take the chance of turning on a light and someone seeing him??? makes no sense...they creep around in the dark, like dark houses and bushes outside the dark house to hide in etc....

Big fat yes to Peanut and Cookie and.. and sorry I forgot who else.... about the light being a red flag. Has always bothered me. Not impossible, but really peculiar and seems sort of generally unlikey and weird.

But then we're speculating this from the perspective that Miss Misty was home to even SEE the light going on. And jr. may not be as likely to notice a light. Or woud he? And even if he did, what would he likely do? He doesn't have a lot of options.

Still the more light, the better that someone will see you and ID you.. if there's anyone there to see you and ID you. And then the less light, the more bumping into stuff and knocking stuff over; But yet again if there's no one there but two kids under 5..... and perp knows that.

But that brings me back to...why no trace of the guy? Tracks, prints, tires, feet, etc. Is the ground so hard or grassy or whatever that there are NO prints or traces of people walking? No tracks or trace of someone going all those yards to "fetch" (southern) (TM me) the cinderblock aka "brick?" (TM Misty)

And Ron doesn't strike me as the type of dude not to know what's in his yard. Did he not say he had no awareness of a stack of cinderblocks or am I  losing it and need a nap?  ::MonkeyCool::



Yes, he did make the cinderblock statement.......I just think the cinderblock and the light on were the first flags that turned red, at least for me.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 11:06:04 PM
Peanut..the light bothers me as well...Also, the home is not that big...wouldn't you notice if a light was switched on near your room? why would a perp take the chance of turning on a light and someone seeing him??? makes no sense...they creep around in the dark, like dark houses and bushes outside the dark house to hide in etc....

Big fat yes to Peanut and Cookie and.. and sorry I forgot who else.... about the light being a red flag. Has always bothered me. Not impossible, but really peculiar and seems sort of generally unlikey and weird.

But then we're speculating this from the perspective that Miss Misty was home to even SEE the light going on. And jr. may not be as likely to notice a light. Or woud he? And even if he did, what would he likely do? He doesn't have a lot of options.

Still the more light, the better that someone will see you and ID you.. if there's anyone there to see you and ID you. And then the less light, the more bumping into stuff and knocking stuff over; But yet again if there's no one there but two kids under 5..... and perp knows that.

But that brings me back to...why no trace of the guy? Tracks, prints, tires, feet, etc. Is the ground so hard or grassy or whatever that there are NO prints or traces of people walking? No tracks or trace of someone going all those yards to "fetch" (southern) (TM me) the cinderblock aka "brick?" (TM Misty)

And Ron doesn't strike me as the type of dude not to know what's in his yard. Did he not say he had no awareness of a stack of cinderblocks or am I  losing it and need a nap?  ::MonkeyCool::



ya, id like to know more about the condition of the terrain too, hard/soft dirt, grassy and flattened down, paved, gravel or dirt driveway?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 11:07:41 PM
its weird, they keep saying everyone is still a suspect, and yet hes the only one to be reported as cleared. makes you wonder if its to give him a false sense of security.

Tenn cousin and AC man were cleared right? And neighborhood RSO Loucakis. But that's all I know of.

Wish we could hear something from visiting brother. Is it weird that he hasn't been all over the TV like everyone else?



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 11:08:20 PM
SHEFFIELD, NANCY MARIE
1997-07-28 1 ARREST REPORT - POSSESSION OF CANNABIS, POSSESSION WITN
1997-07-28 1 INTENT TO SELL OR DELIVER, MAINTAINING A DRUG DWELLING,
1997-07-28 1 POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA
1997-07-28 1 BOND SET AT $3,016.
1997-07-28 2 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY
1997-07-28 3 APPEARANCE BOND - (UNSECURED)
1997-07-28 4 DEFENDANT'S NOTIFICATION OF BOND CONDITIONS
1997-08-11 5 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE BY RONALD E. CLARK & PLEA
1997-08-11 6 DEMAND FOR DISCOVERY
1997-09-29 7 INFORMATION (UNLAWFUL POSS. W/INTENT TO SELL OR
1997-09-29 7 DELIVER A CONT. SUBSTANCE, MAINTAINING A DRUG DWELLING)
1997-10-01 8 ORDER SETTING PRE-TRIAL 11/25/97
1997-10-01 9 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT 11/25/97
1997-10-01 10 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY 11/25/97
1997-10-06 11 STATE'S NOTICE OF INTENT TO SEEK JUDGEMENT FOR COSTS OF
1997-10-06 11 INVESTIGATON AND PROSECUTION
1997-10-06 12 ANSWER TO NOTICE OF DISCOVERY, DEMAND FOR NOTICE OF
1997-10-06 12 INTENTION TO CLAIM ALIBI WITNESS LIST
1997-11-25 13 PRE-TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, ATTENDED BY COUNSEL,
1997-11-25 13 RONALD CLARK. CASE SET FOR PLEA DAY 12/11/97
1997-11-25 14 NOTICE GIVEN TO DEFT. 12/11/97
1997-11-25 15 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT 12/11/97
1997-11-25 16 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY 12/11/97
1997-12-11 17 PLEA MIN: DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY, RONNIE CLARK.
1997-12-11 17 W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD GUILTY A/C CT I AND II UNLAWFUL POSS
1997-12-11 17 W/INTENT TO SELL OR DELIVER A CONT. SUB, MAINTAINING A
1997-12-11 17 DRUG DWELLING, ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 5YRS AND OR $5000 FINE
1997-12-11 17 1YR AND OR $1000 FINE, PL ACCEPTED, PSI ORDERED, CASE
1997-12-11 17 SET FOR SENTENCING 1/27/98 STATE RECOMM. GUIDELINE SENTENCE
1997-12-11 17 IF NO PRIOR CONVICTIONS AND RECMM W/HOLD ADJ. STATE NOT
1997-12-11 17 TO FILE ADDITIONAL CHARGES.
1997-12-15 18 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT 01/27/98
1997-12-15 19 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY 01/27/98
1998-01-27 20 SCORESHEET FILED
1998-01-27 21 SENTENCING MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY RONALD CLARK.
1998-01-27 21 COURT WITHHELD ADJ. OF GUILT, ORDERED TO PAY $255 COURT COST
1998-01-27 21 AS TO CT. I SENTENCED TO 3YRS PROBATION, AS TO CT. II 1YRS
1998-01-27 21 PROBATION, RUN CONCURRENT WITH CT. I. TO PAY $25 COST OF
1998-01-27 21 SUPERVISION, TO COMPLETE OUT-IN PATIENT SUBSTANCE ABUSE
1998-01-27 21 COUNSELING AND TREATMENT IF NECESSARY AND PAY FOR ANY FEES
1998-01-27 21 OCCURED. TO PERFORM 50HRS. COMMUNITY SERVICE.
1998-01-27 22 ORDER WITHHOLDING ADJUDICATION OF GUILT AND PLACING
1998-01-27 22 DEFENDANT ON PROBATION - ENT MIN CIR CT BK276 PG662-665
1999-08-02 23 $22.69 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE
1999-08-06 24 $62.50 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE
1999-08-17 25 $37.19 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE
1999-08-23 26 $52.62 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE
2000-03-13 27 ORDER OF MODIFICATION OF PROBATION
2000-03-13 27 ENT MIN CIR CT - BK. 319 PG. 73-74
2003-03-28 28 LETTER FROM DEFENDANT/REQUEST FOR COPIES/NO MONIES SENT
2003-04-09 29 LETTER FROM DEFENDANT/$7.00/REQUEST FOR COPIES OF J & S
2003-04-09 29 MAILED 04-15-2003


SHEFFIELD, NANCY MARIE
2000-05-18 1 COMPLAINT: JOHNNY LAURAMORE BATTERY-DVR
2000-08-24 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php
put sheffield, % in search field



woohoo granny who's got drug connections

I haven't seen anyone in the family without a record, well except the children.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 11:11:44 PM
does anyone know yardwise, just how close the nearest body of water is? maybe a boat could have been used?

I sound like a moron now but it was 400 feet or 400 yards I want to say yards. Dangit, I cant keep up with all the links. So unless I find a reliable source don't listen to me, heh.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 11:14:17 PM
seriously. everyone seems to have a rap sheet! its just crazy if you ask me. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 11:14:37 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095&catid=295

Detectives have talked to the child. Relatives on both sides say he told police he saw a man in a ski mask come in their trailer and leave with his big sister.

Just thought we'd throw a ski mask in to the all black outfit.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 11:15:28 PM
does anyone know yardwise, just how close the nearest body of water is? maybe a boat could have been used?

I sound like a moron now but it was 400 feet or 400 yards I want to say yards. Dangit, I cant keep up with all the links. So unless I find a reliable source don't listen to me, heh.


haha that made me laugh. it is hard to keep everything straight!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 11:15:57 PM
does anyone know yardwise, just how close the nearest body of water is? maybe a boat could have been used?
I dont know the real distance, but I know its close enough to walk to because I heard that Ronald has walked down there and gone fishing before!

ya thats what i was wondering, it doesnt sound like a terribly long distance, and a boat could be another possibility as an escape.

yea but I kinda dont agree with this theory, this river is a really slow moving river which means you need a motor, and of course headlights, as its very dark, and it goes past alot of homes and I think someone would notice this!

Oooh good catch on the motor and the headlight. That would be very risky. Someone mentioned that it was a bright full moon that night, but with all those thick trees not sure what good it would do without the light.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 11:17:22 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095&catid=295

Detectives have talked to the child. Relatives on both sides say he told police he saw a man in a ski mask come in their trailer and leave with his big sister.

Just thought we'd throw a ski mask in to the all black outfit.

well geez. why a mask at night? maybe cause hed be recognizable?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 11:18:40 PM
Original newspaper article about Ch case.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Report: Intruder fondled girl,
Published: Tuesday, July 6, 2004 10:31 AM EDT
11 by Andy Hall
Palatka Daily News


A man wearing a ski mask is believed to have entered the bedroom
window of an 11-year-old girl and fondled her before fleeing
through the same window of her Interlachen home Tuesday night.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office is asking for the public's
help in identifying the suspect, who has been described as a
white male between 5 feet, 10 inches and 6 feet tall with some
facial hair beneath his lower lip.

Officers appear satisfied the suspect is not a family member.
"We look at evidence from every possible angle and it's
our belief it was someone from outside the home," said Lt.
Gary Bowling of the sheriff's office.

What the evidence does suggest, according to a statement from
the sheriff's office, is that the suspect may have cut himselfwhile entering the window and may have injuries

consistent with

having been cut.

"We collected blood and if we pinpoint a suspect, we can

use it to collect DNA," Bowling said.

While there may be a heightened sense of awareness of

home invasions

and abductions involving children from news reports

across the

country in recent months, Bowling said the sheriff's

office has

not detected an increase in such incidents, either in the

county

or nationwide.

"We see this as an isolated incident," he said. "We

would tell citizens to take all the normal (home

security) precautions

they would take every day."

Information about the incident should be directed to

Detective

Dan Fleming, who can be reached at 326-2783.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 11:18:59 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095&catid=295

Detectives have talked to the child. Relatives on both sides say he told police he saw a man in a ski mask come in their trailer and leave with his big sister.

Just thought we'd throw a ski mask in to the all black outfit.

Never heard that one yet, but just today grmna Sykes (sp) said jr never said these things ::MonkeyConfused::

FTLOG~LE, pls clear someone so we can scratch 1 suspect off the list of hmmm 50 or so if you include RSO's


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 11:20:26 PM
Original news article about Chad Reynolds, missing SO, interesting about his crime and now Jr's statement and what may have happened to Haleigh.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 11:20:59 PM
Get ready for it....


I shall brace myself.

 **snort** ::MonkeyLaugh::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 11:24:40 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095&catid=295

Detectives have talked to the child. Relatives on both sides say he told police he saw a man in a ski mask come in their trailer and leave with his big sister.

Just thought we'd throw a ski mask in to the all black outfit.

::MonkeyCool::

Yes, wow a four year who says "ski mask?"

(Sorry.... had to add on)





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 11:24:40 PM
Original news article about Chad Reynolds, missing SO, interesting about his crime and now Jr's statement and what may have happened to Haleigh.

I think he may have "met his maker", MOO


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 11:25:27 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095&catid=295

Detectives have talked to the child. Relatives on both sides say he told police he saw a man in a ski mask come in their trailer and leave with his big sister.

Just thought we'd throw a ski mask in to the all black outfit.

Never heard that one yet, but just today grmna Sykes (sp) said jr never said these things ::MonkeyConfused::

FTLOG~LE, pls clear someone so we can scratch 1 suspect off the list of hmmm 50 or so if you include RSO's

wait, is that crystals mom? she was with her when she said that i thought? and why would they have experts talk with jr if he never said it?

ugh. all these people need to stfu. we need official docs to peruse, not this gossipy crappola!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 11:25:30 PM
Let's drag it in and look at it, quick before Klaas catches me!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 11:29:43 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095&catid=295

Detectives have talked to the child. Relatives on both sides say he told police he saw a man in a ski mask come in their trailer and leave with his big sister.

Just thought we'd throw a ski mask in to the all black outfit.

::MonkeyCool::

Yes, wow a four year who says "ski mask?"

(Sorry.... had to add on)





That's alright, actually there's a whole article out there somewhere about how w/children they don't say things, they let them talk than figure it from there.  If they talk, the interviewer they tend to lead children into believing things.  So I would guess from face covered up  we get ski mask?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 25, 2009, 11:29:53 PM
does anyone know yardwise, just how close the nearest body of water is? maybe a boat could have been used?

I sound like a moron now but it was 400 feet or 400 yards I want to say yards. Dangit, I cant keep up with all the links. So unless I find a reliable source don't listen to me, heh.



At the outset of Miss Haleigh's disappearance I questioned the tracking dogs going to the railroad tracks and water (St John's River/tributaries/canals?).  Cummings family resided very, very close to both.

I was listening to a broadcast one eve and the reporter was drowned out by train warning, so that implies it moves slowly through intersections thereabouts.

Dispatcher/deps are recorded saying early on that whomever should contact CSX re. their schedule through that area.

As re. tracking dogs, I would have taken them to the other side of the river that night to see if scent was picked up on the other side, but I never heard that LE/K9s headed over to the other side at that juncture.  Maybe they did head over there, but if they didn't it was a lost opp imho.    ::MonkeyNoNo::

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 11:30:14 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095&catid=295

Detectives have talked to the child. Relatives on both sides say he told police he saw a man in a ski mask come in their trailer and leave with his big sister.

Just thought we'd throw a ski mask in to the all black outfit.

Never heard that one yet, but just today grmna Sykes (sp) said jr never said these things ::MonkeyConfused::

FTLOG~LE, pls clear someone so we can scratch 1 suspect off the list of hmmm 50 or so if you include RSO's

wait, is that crystals mom? she was with her when she said that i thought? and why would they have experts talk with jr if he never said it?

ugh. all these people need to stfu. we need official docs to peruse, not this gossipy crappola!

I think it's RC's grandma.....yeah, i remember now because she said she was at the trailer within 15-20 minutes of the phone call ....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 11:30:48 PM
And honestly if his nightmare stories are to believed it could be true.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 25, 2009, 11:31:17 PM
its just so close to major wooded areas and the water. its tailormade for a quick disposal. im making myself sick. ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 11:32:42 PM
does anyone know yardwise, just how close the nearest body of water is? maybe a boat could have been used?

I sound like a moron now but it was 400 feet or 400 yards I want to say yards. Dangit, I cant keep up with all the links. So unless I find a reliable source don't listen to me, heh.



At the outset of Miss Haleigh's disappearance I questioned the tracking dogs going to the railroad tracks and water (St John's River/tributaries/canals?).  Cummings family resided very, very close to both.

I was listening to a broadcast one eve and the reporter was drowned out by train warning, so that implies it moves slowly through intersections thereabouts.

Dispatcher/deps are recorded saying early on that whomever should contact CSX re. their schedule through that area.

As re. tracking dogs, I would have taken them to the other side of the river that night to see if scent was picked up on the other side, but I never heard that LE/K9s headed over to the other side at that juncture.  Maybe they did head over there, but if they didn't it was a lost opp imho.    ::MonkeyNoNo::

Foggy


But from looking at the distance in the pic to the water, I find it very hard to believe a 5 yr old walked all that distance by herself in the dead of night....creepy.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 25, 2009, 11:33:59 PM
RC's pastor is on, he stated RC is not an official informant........curious as to why he chose to throw in the word "official"...weird

Ah yes, the pastor... He certainly did Ron no favors with some of what he said tonight.  I agree with you about the comment "not an 'official' informant", made me immediately think, okay was he an unofficial informant then? 

And then the pastor talks about how Ron has been trying to do the right thing, turn his life around, etc.  Then he says he talked with Ron who told him (something to the effect of) he worked his 8 hour shift and went home.  Specifically said EIGHT hours.  Ermmm.. Ron supposedly works a 12 hour shift.  Was the pastor saying that Ron told him he had worked 8 hours that day?   ::MonkeyEek::

We've heard that Ron supposedly works from 3 pm to 3 am.  And yet...

We've heard Ron say that he picked Haleigh up from the bus stop, taking her home before going to work.  That would have put him at work around 4 pm or so.  If he had worked 8 hours, as the pastor said, that would have put him back home around midnight. 

In one of Misty's earliest everchanging stories, I heard her say that she checked on the kids before going to sleep at 10 pm, covering Haleigh up with the blanket she had washed and dried.  And then, "when WE woke up it was around 3 am".  She didn't ever repeat the WE again.  But I wondered then... Who is the WE she had referred to? 

Could it have been Ron?  Could he have been at home from midnight on??  ::MonkeyEek:: 
 

Hi Wyks. Some in the court hearing doc stated he worked from 6pm to 3am. But who knows-I did pick up the we part woke up.... ::MonkeyTongue::

Am glad you heard that too.  lol  And about his work, guess it's just like with the rest, we wait to hear the real whole story from LE, if they ever share anything.  lol


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 11:37:27 PM
Just another thing about Haleigh and water...I don't know about a great fear of water here.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 11:38:59 PM
Just another thing about Haleigh and water...I don't know about a great fear of water here.


Ahh~what a sweet picture ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 11:40:37 PM
I know.  There are more of the pool on Crystal's website.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 11:41:12 PM


Great picture....

**sigh**




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 11:42:16 PM
You know she actually looks 3-4 here to me, well Jr looks younger to me anyway.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 11:42:41 PM

Are the aerial photos a no-no?

Cos I was "fixin to" post one and ask a question... but I won't....

Now I'm ah-scared. .  ::MonkeyCool::







Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 25, 2009, 11:42:48 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095&catid=295

Detectives have talked to the child. Relatives on both sides say he told police he saw a man in a ski mask come in their trailer and leave with his big sister.

Just thought we'd throw a ski mask in to the all black outfit.

Never heard that one yet, but just today grmna Sykes (sp) said jr never said these things ::MonkeyConfused::

FTLOG~LE, pls clear someone so we can scratch 1 suspect off the list of hmmm 50 or so if you include RSO's

wait, is that crystals mom? she was with her when she said that i thought? and why would they have experts talk with jr if he never said it?

ugh. all these people need to stfu. we need official docs to peruse, not this gossipy crappola!


From your lips to God's ears, Peanut.  Trash talk isn't gonna help find Miss Haleigh.

I'm still praying for her.  The rest pmo to no end. :gaah:  I want a hero to emerge here, but as of yet I cannot discern a one.  :smt089

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 25, 2009, 11:44:26 PM
Just another thing about Haleigh and water...I don't know about a great fear of water here.

Very sweet picture, indeed. And good point. Does not look afraid at all to me.

Maybe they meant afraid of the "river" water.

As a child, I loved swimming, but only in pools. Was not too keen in swimming in a river/pond or ocea where I could not see what was in there with me.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 11:45:25 PM
the sleuths are all over the Chad Reynolds angle anyway.  you know I wish I could post from blackberry on here like I can on there site...bummer.  And yesterday I stumbled across stolen goods from our site over there...hee hee hee.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 11:47:23 PM
I wonder if the paster just mis-spoke and said "8 hours" b/c that's the norm for a lot of folks and Ron didn't actually say 8.

Also, Haleigh got out of "school" at like 12 right? Since she's only 5? Or did she have an after-care thing?

So many questions.

We've got every cell phone ping that Casey Anthony... and all her array of relatves.... and casual aquaintances.... and boinks-du-jour  ever pinged, but so little here. Dang.









Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 11:47:38 PM

Are the aerial photos a no-no?

Cos I was "fixin to" post one and ask a question... but I won't....

Now I'm ah-scared. .  ::MonkeyCool::







ask Brandi she's in charge I think if Klaas is not here, I do it, just try not to blow us up!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 25, 2009, 11:49:56 PM

New video of Haleigh on Greta... just a small clip opening Christmas presents this past Christmas.

Phone interview w/Crystal's mother.  She said she's heard rumors that put Misty at a party house that night and had left someone else to stay with the children.  Rumors only

Asked by Greta what she thinks should be done, said she'd be talking extensively to RC & Misty because they're the ones who are there every day & know who has been in and around the house.




Hmmmm.. rumors or not, that's interesting! 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 25, 2009, 11:51:13 PM
Aerial photos are fine. 

FYI - Brandi is a valued member and a wonderful photoshop artist but is not in charge  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 11:51:39 PM
the sleuths are all over the Chad Reynolds angle anyway.  you know I wish I could post from blackberry on here like I can on there site...bummer.  And yesterday I stumbled across stolen goods from our site over there...hee hee hee.


All over as in he's nothing and he's so played? Or "all over" as in he's the one; let's look at him some more?



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 25, 2009, 11:53:09 PM

New video of Haleigh on Greta... just a small clip opening Christmas presents this past Christmas.

Phone interview w/Crystal's mother.  She said she's heard rumors that put Misty at a party house that night and had left someone else to stay with the children.  Rumors only

Asked by Greta what she thinks should be done, said she'd be talking extensively to RC & Misty because they're the ones who are there every day & know who has been in and around the house.




Hmmmm.. rumors or not, that's interesting! 


Unfortunately rumors and police records are really all we have to go on at this point ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 25, 2009, 11:54:22 PM
does anyone know yardwise, just how close the nearest body of water is? maybe a boat could have been used?

I sound like a moron now but it was 400 feet or 400 yards I want to say yards. Dangit, I cant keep up with all the links. So unless I find a reliable source don't listen to me, heh.



At the outset of Miss Haleigh's disappearance I questioned the tracking dogs going to the railroad tracks and water (St John's River/tributaries/canals?).  Cummings family resided very, very close to both.

I was listening to a broadcast one eve and the reporter was drowned out by train warning, so that implies it moves slowly through intersections thereabouts.

Dispatcher/deps are recorded saying early on that whomever should contact CSX re. their schedule through that area.

As re. tracking dogs, I would have taken them to the other side of the river that night to see if scent was picked up on the other side, but I never heard that LE/K9s headed over to the other side at that juncture.  Maybe they did head over there, but if they didn't it was a lost opp imho.    ::MonkeyNoNo::

Foggy


But from looking at the distance in the pic to the water, I find it very hard to believe a 5 yr old walked all that distance by herself in the dead of night....creepy.


Oh, I don't think she went to any place alone--esp. in the dark (if indeed that's when she disappeared  :scratch:).  We don't truly know when she came up missing.  It could have been any time after she came home from school/after her daddy left for work. 

I'm just remarking that two venues to transport her away were in very close proximity to the family home.

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 25, 2009, 11:54:45 PM

Are the aerial photos a no-no?

Cos I was "fixin to" post one and ask a question... but I won't....

Now I'm ah-scared. .  ::MonkeyCool::







ask Brandi she's in charge I think if Klaas is not here, I do it, just try not to blow us up!!


LOL!

I am not in charge.

But I do know it is fine to post aerial photos. ;-)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 25, 2009, 11:57:30 PM
Aerial photos are fine. 

FYI - Brandi is a valued member and a wonderful photoshop artist but is not in charge  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Thank%20You/thankyou-5.gif)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 25, 2009, 11:58:42 PM
New video of Haleigh on Greta... just a small clip opening Christmas presents this past Christmas.

Phone interview w/Crystal's mother.  She said she's heard rumors that put Misty at a party house that night and had left someone else to stay with the children.  Rumors only

Asked by Greta what she thinks should be done, said she'd be talking extensively to RC & Misty because they're the ones who are there every day & know who has been in and around the house.

Hmmmm.. rumors or not, that's interesting! 

Unfortunately rumors and police records are really all we have to go on at this point ::MonkeyConfused::


And don't forget body language, meta-messages, and the ever popular hinky meter! As subjective as they may be, I still find them useful .  ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 25, 2009, 11:59:48 PM
Aerial photos are fine. 

FYI - Brandi is a valued member and a wonderful photoshop artist but is not in charge  ::MonkeyWink::

Thank you Klaas, I never know how to reach you, but than you always magically appear!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 12:00:08 AM
RC's pastor is on, he stated RC is not an official informant........curious as to why he chose to throw in the word "official"...weird

Ah yes, the pastor... He certainly did Ron no favors with some of what he said tonight.  I agree with you about the comment "not an 'official' informant", made me immediately think, okay was he an unofficial informant then? 

And then the pastor talks about how Ron has been trying to do the right thing, turn his life around, etc.  Then he says he talked with Ron who told him (something to the effect of) he worked his 8 hour shift and went home.  Specifically said EIGHT hours.  Ermmm.. Ron supposedly works a 12 hour shift.  Was the pastor saying that Ron told him he had worked 8 hours that day?   ::MonkeyEek::

We've heard that Ron supposedly works from 3 pm to 3 am.  And yet...

We've heard Ron say that he picked Haleigh up from the bus stop, taking her home before going to work.  That would have put him at work around 4 pm or so.  If he had worked 8 hours, as the pastor said, that would have put him back home around midnight. 

In one of Misty's earliest everchanging stories, I heard her say that she checked on the kids before going to sleep at 10 pm, covering Haleigh up with the blanket she had washed and dried.  And then, "when WE woke up it was around 3 am".  She didn't ever repeat the WE again.  But I wondered then... Who is the WE she had referred to? 

Could it have been Ron?  Could he have been at home from midnight on??  ::MonkeyEek:: 
 
::MonkeyShocked:: I just popped back on and was catching up.......WYKS~great catch, I didn't even catch that part......but, I've heard the statement you are referring to as well and twice from Ron, he said he left the kids in bed at 10pm under Misty's care........now, we have to ask was the employer lying when he said Ron was at work the entire time, or if he only worked 8 hrs-that opens a whole new can of worms ::MonkeyTongue::

What I've heard reported is that it was confirmed that Ron was at work that night.  Haven't heard reported exactly the words that yes, Ron was at work his entire 12 hour shift that night.  From Ron's own words, we know that he worked about 11 hours that night. 

I sure wish we'd start getting straight up info, it's really hard to put anything together with what we're getting.  sigh.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 12:00:34 AM
Anybody here know about a boat (John Boat) and a van?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 12:02:02 AM
New video of Haleigh on Greta... just a small clip opening Christmas presents this past Christmas.

Phone interview w/Crystal's mother.  She said she's heard rumors that put Misty at a party house that night and had left someone else to stay with the children.  Rumors only

Asked by Greta what she thinks should be done, said she'd be talking extensively to RC & Misty because they're the ones who are there every day & know who has been in and around the house.

Hmmmm.. rumors or not, that's interesting! 

Unfortunately rumors and police records are really all we have to go on at this point ::MonkeyConfused::


And don't forget body language, meta-messages, and the ever popular hinky meter! As subjective as they may be, I still find them useful .  ::MonkeyCool::




::MonkeyLaugh:: very true.......I find them useful as well, you have to go with your gut, and heart.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 12:02:55 AM
Anybody here know about a boat (John Boat) and a van?

There was the mysterious van mentioned in the infamous blanket story, but we don't know whose or when or.... whatever...





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 26, 2009, 12:02:56 AM
Anybody here know about a boat (John Boat) and a van?
No   do tell


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 12:03:20 AM

On that statement from the pastor about "he's not an official informant" .... right before that he said "That's not to say he (RC) hasn't done things he doesn't regret ... but he's not an official informant".   I think that went together and if so, would add meaning to the not-an-official-informant. 

But JVM was moving on, didn't catch the official informant part.



Yep!  The talking heads all go so fast am thinking they rarely hear the whole answer, let alone key points in an answer.  There's so many times I'm yelling at the screen for them to back the train up and zero in on whatever was just said.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 12:04:00 AM
They all get me riled up and hinky meters going gang busters.

I'm bringing the rumors of a boat and a van over...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 12:04:29 AM
im reposting this cause all these similar names drive me crazy(crazier?).

thanks to wyks and brandi for compiling it so far.

In case we don't have all the who's who in this case... here's another list, am still filling in info on some:

========

MOTHER

Mother of Haleigh is Crystal Diane Sheffield – age 24

Crystal's mother is: Nancy Marie Griffis – age 43 (second marriage to Bruce A. Griffis in 2002 in Putnum County, Florida)

Crystal's father is: Johnny Marcus Sheffield – age 46 – Satsuma and MacClenny

Crystal's siblings are: Sarah Lavon, Marcus, Savannah

Crystal's step-mother (married to her father): Connie Sheffield - age 29?

Crystal's step-father (married to her mother): Bruce A. Griffis – age 46 – Glen St. Mary, Lake City, Sanderson, Lawstoy

Crystal's boyfriend/fiance: Chad Griffis – age 29 (may be son of step-father or step-uncle)

Griffis relatives: Victor Griffis – age 52; Deborah Lynn – age 48; Jill – age 25

FATHER

Father of Haleigh is Ronald Cummings – age 25

Ronald's father: Jack Cummings

Ronald's mother: Theresa Neves

Ronald's girlfriend: Misty Croslin

FATHER'S GIRLFRIEND

Misty Croslin – age 17

Misty's father: Hank Thomas Croslin – age 40

Misty's mother: Lisa Croslin – age 39

Misty's siblings: Lindsey and Chelsea

Misty's father’s occupation: owns T&T Drywall Company – Hank Croslin, Inc.

Misty's father’s relatives: Chester Leon – age 44; Adam Troy – age 43;
June Marie – age 63; Timothy A. – age 21 (this could be Misty's older brother); Michael – (no age given)



Corrections from my notes to your list of who's who:

"Mother of Haleigh is Crystal Diane Sheffield – age 24 .... "

According to my notes, she is 23, born on 8-30-1985:
Crystal Sheffield, 23, mother. Was at her home when Haleigh disappeared.
Currently lives in Glen Saint Mary, Florida.

In addition to yours, I also have:
Andrew Sheffield, uncle of Crystal Sheffield.
Sarah Sheffield, sister, 21 years old. MACCLENNY, Florida

Crystals children are:
Haleigh Ann Marie Sheffield, 5, (DOB: 8-15-2003)
Ronald (Junior) Cummings (aka butterbean) 4, brother of Haleigh. (DOB: 2-14-2005)
Chloe, 9 months as of Jan.15, 2009

Aunts: Katrina Belcher, Dana

For Ronald's side of the family, I have:

Ronald Lemyles Cummings, 25, father. DOB: 10-19-1983.

Crystal Cummings, Ronald's sister, aunt to Haleigh.

Teresa Ann Never, 48, Ronald's mother, grandmother of Haleigh, Alachua County SO Dispatcher. DOB: 3-7-1960.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 12:06:05 AM

On that statement from the pastor about "he's not an official informant" .... right before that he said "That's not to say he (RC) hasn't done things he doesn't regret ... but he's not an official informant".   I think that went together and if so, would add meaning to the not-an-official-informant. 

But JVM was moving on, didn't catch the official informant part.



Yep!  The talking heads all go so fast am thinking they rarely hear the whole answer, let alone key points in an answer.  There's so many times I'm yelling at the screen for them to back the train up and zero in on whatever was just said.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


I KNOW!!! JVM and NG both... there'll be an obvious follow-up question just screaming to be asked and they just move right on to the next thing as if they're not even hearing what is said. GAH!




 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 26, 2009, 12:08:24 AM
Good night all; going to try to get some sleep while it is still dark outside for a change. ;-)

Keep sleuthing!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 12:09:51 AM
I have posted a few times about this johnboat. I have yet to hear that LE confirmed they had taken one. Can someone give me a link or something that confirms this boat belonged to RC or anyone else outside of LE for that matter. I know on day one there was a twitter report that LE drove by with a johnboat, but I am thinking it LE's boat that they used for searching. Again I may have just missed the confirmation that it was evidence. Can anyone confirm anything on this boat?

Maybe the boat belonged to someone else. LE hasn't told us who the van they're processing belongs to either. But for Misty's blanket to be in it, there has to be some connection there.

If so, it seems Misty and Ron should be suspecting that person or persons by now.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 12:10:47 AM
Peanut..the light bothers me as well...Also, the home is not that big...wouldn't you notice if a light was switched on near your room? why would a perp take the chance of turning on a light and someone seeing him??? makes no sense...they creep around in the dark, like dark houses and bushes outside the dark house to hide in etc....

Big fat yes to Peanut and Cookie and.. and sorry I forgot who else.... about the light being a red flag. Has always bothered me. Not impossible, but really peculiar and seems sort of generally unlikey and weird.

But then we're speculating this from the perspective that Miss Misty was home to even SEE the light going on. And jr. may not be as likely to notice a light. Or woud he? And even if he did, what would he likely do? He doesn't have a lot of options.

Still the more light, the better that someone will see you and ID you.. if there's anyone there to see you and ID you. And then the less light, the more bumping into stuff and knocking stuff over; But yet again if there's no one there but two kids under 5..... and perp knows that.

But that brings me back to...why no trace of the guy? Tracks, prints, tires, feet, etc. Is the ground so hard or grassy or whatever that there are NO prints or traces of people walking? No tracks or trace of someone going all those yards to "fetch" (southern) (TM me) the cinderblock aka "brick?" (TM Misty)

And Ron doesn't strike me as the type of dude not to know what's in his yard. Did he not say he had no awareness of a stack of cinderblocks or am I  losing it and need a nap?  ::MonkeyCool::



Yep, he said he hadn't noticed cinderblocks in his yard or near the house etc.  When the reporters panned the cameras around the back yard, they zoomed into the mobile home... and voila!!  Right there, near the right corner of the mobile home (looking at it from the back), a pile of cinderblocks very near to, almost under the mobile home itself.  Within feet of the side/back door where the ramp is, where the screen door was supposedly found propped open with a cinderblock.  And I was thinking then, "omg Ron, who the hell do you think you're kidding?"   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 12:10:57 AM

Thanks for the list, Peanut.

I could be wrong, but I could have sworn that Misty's siblings were two brothers, Timothy and Thomas Croslin and their wives, Misty's sisters-in-law are Lindsay and Chelsea; But I'm off caffeine today and clearly can't be trusted. . ::MonkeyLaugh::





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 12:13:38 AM
SHEFFIELD, NANCY MARIE
1997-07-28 1 ARREST REPORT - POSSESSION OF CANNABIS, POSSESSION WITN
1997-07-28 1 INTENT TO SELL OR DELIVER, MAINTAINING A DRUG DWELLING,
1997-07-28 1 POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA
1997-07-28 1 BOND SET AT $3,016.
1997-07-28 2 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY
1997-07-28 3 APPEARANCE BOND - (UNSECURED)
1997-07-28 4 DEFENDANT'S NOTIFICATION OF BOND CONDITIONS
1997-08-11 5 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE BY RONALD E. CLARK & PLEA
1997-08-11 6 DEMAND FOR DISCOVERY
1997-09-29 7 INFORMATION (UNLAWFUL POSS. W/INTENT TO SELL OR
1997-09-29 7 DELIVER A CONT. SUBSTANCE, MAINTAINING A DRUG DWELLING)
1997-10-01 8 ORDER SETTING PRE-TRIAL 11/25/97
1997-10-01 9 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT 11/25/97
1997-10-01 10 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY 11/25/97
1997-10-06 11 STATE'S NOTICE OF INTENT TO SEEK JUDGEMENT FOR COSTS OF
1997-10-06 11 INVESTIGATON AND PROSECUTION
1997-10-06 12 ANSWER TO NOTICE OF DISCOVERY, DEMAND FOR NOTICE OF
1997-10-06 12 INTENTION TO CLAIM ALIBI WITNESS LIST
1997-11-25 13 PRE-TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, ATTENDED BY COUNSEL,
1997-11-25 13 RONALD CLARK. CASE SET FOR PLEA DAY 12/11/97
1997-11-25 14 NOTICE GIVEN TO DEFT. 12/11/97
1997-11-25 15 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT 12/11/97
1997-11-25 16 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY 12/11/97
1997-12-11 17 PLEA MIN: DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY, RONNIE CLARK.
1997-12-11 17 W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD GUILTY A/C CT I AND II UNLAWFUL POSS
1997-12-11 17 W/INTENT TO SELL OR DELIVER A CONT. SUB, MAINTAINING A
1997-12-11 17 DRUG DWELLING, ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 5YRS AND OR $5000 FINE
1997-12-11 17 1YR AND OR $1000 FINE, PL ACCEPTED, PSI ORDERED, CASE
1997-12-11 17 SET FOR SENTENCING 1/27/98 STATE RECOMM. GUIDELINE SENTENCE
1997-12-11 17 IF NO PRIOR CONVICTIONS AND RECMM W/HOLD ADJ. STATE NOT
1997-12-11 17 TO FILE ADDITIONAL CHARGES.
1997-12-15 18 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT 01/27/98
1997-12-15 19 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY 01/27/98
1998-01-27 20 SCORESHEET FILED
1998-01-27 21 SENTENCING MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY RONALD CLARK.
1998-01-27 21 COURT WITHHELD ADJ. OF GUILT, ORDERED TO PAY $255 COURT COST
1998-01-27 21 AS TO CT. I SENTENCED TO 3YRS PROBATION, AS TO CT. II 1YRS
1998-01-27 21 PROBATION, RUN CONCURRENT WITH CT. I. TO PAY $25 COST OF
1998-01-27 21 SUPERVISION, TO COMPLETE OUT-IN PATIENT SUBSTANCE ABUSE
1998-01-27 21 COUNSELING AND TREATMENT IF NECESSARY AND PAY FOR ANY FEES
1998-01-27 21 OCCURED. TO PERFORM 50HRS. COMMUNITY SERVICE.
1998-01-27 22 ORDER WITHHOLDING ADJUDICATION OF GUILT AND PLACING
1998-01-27 22 DEFENDANT ON PROBATION - ENT MIN CIR CT BK276 PG662-665
1999-08-02 23 $22.69 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE
1999-08-06 24 $62.50 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE
1999-08-17 25 $37.19 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE
1999-08-23 26 $52.62 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE
2000-03-13 27 ORDER OF MODIFICATION OF PROBATION
2000-03-13 27 ENT MIN CIR CT - BK. 319 PG. 73-74
2003-03-28 28 LETTER FROM DEFENDANT/REQUEST FOR COPIES/NO MONIES SENT
2003-04-09 29 LETTER FROM DEFENDANT/$7.00/REQUEST FOR COPIES OF J & S
2003-04-09 29 MAILED 04-15-2003


SHEFFIELD, NANCY MARIE
2000-05-18 1 COMPLAINT: JOHNNY LAURAMORE BATTERY-DVR
2000-08-24 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php
put sheffield, % in search field



woohoo granny who's got drug connections

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked:: 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 12:14:49 AM
Peanut..the light bothers me as well...Also, the home is not that big...wouldn't you notice if a light was switched on near your room? why would a perp take the chance of turning on a light and someone seeing him??? makes no sense...they creep around in the dark, like dark houses and bushes outside the dark house to hide in etc....

Big fat yes to Peanut and Cookie and.. and sorry I forgot who else.... about the light being a red flag. Has always bothered me. Not impossible, but really peculiar and seems sort of generally unlikey and weird.

But then we're speculating this from the perspective that Miss Misty was home to even SEE the light going on. And jr. may not be as likely to notice a light. Or woud he? And even if he did, what would he likely do? He doesn't have a lot of options.

Still the more light, the better that someone will see you and ID you.. if there's anyone there to see you and ID you. And then the less light, the more bumping into stuff and knocking stuff over; But yet again if there's no one there but two kids under 5..... and perp knows that.

But that brings me back to...why no trace of the guy? Tracks, prints, tires, feet, etc. Is the ground so hard or grassy or whatever that there are NO prints or traces of people walking? No tracks or trace of someone going all those yards to "fetch" (southern) (TM me) the cinderblock aka "brick?" (TM Misty)

And Ron doesn't strike me as the type of dude not to know what's in his yard. Did he not say he had no awareness of a stack of cinderblocks or am I  losing it and need a nap?  ::MonkeyCool::



Yep, he said he hadn't noticed cinderblocks in his yard or near the house etc.  When the reporters panned the cameras around the back yard, they zoomed into the mobile home... and voila!!  Right there, near the right corner of the mobile home (looking at it from the back), a pile of cinderblocks very near to, almost under the mobile home itself.  Within feet of the side/back door where the ramp is, where the screen door was supposedly found propped open with a cinderblock.  And I was thinking then, "omg Ron, who the hell do you think you're kidding?"   ::MonkeyNoNo::


I need to read about the new "touch DNA" for porous and non-porous materials, but surely whoever put the cinderblock there was wearing gloves.

(heh I just typed wearing cloves ......b/c I guess they wanted to smell delightful.)





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 12:17:57 AM
im reposting this cause all these similar names drive me crazy(crazier?).

thanks to wyks and brandi for compiling it so far.

In case we don't have all the who's who in this case... here's another list, am still filling in info on some:

========

MOTHER

Mother of Haleigh is Crystal Diane Sheffield – age 24

Crystal's mother is: Nancy Marie Griffis – age 43 (second marriage to Bruce A. Griffis in 2002 in Putnum County, Florida)

Crystal's father is: Johnny Marcus Sheffield – age 46 – Satsuma and MacClenny

Crystal's siblings are: Sarah Lavon, Marcus, Savannah

Crystal's step-mother (married to her father): Connie Sheffield - age 29?

Crystal's step-father (married to her mother): Bruce A. Griffis – age 46 – Glen St. Mary, Lake City, Sanderson, Lawstoy

Crystal's boyfriend/fiance: Chad Griffis – age 29 (may be son of step-father or step-uncle)

Griffis relatives: Victor Griffis – age 52; Deborah Lynn – age 48; Jill – age 25

FATHER

Father of Haleigh is Ronald Cummings – age 25

Ronald's father: Jack Cummings

Ronald's mother: Theresa Neves

Ronald's girlfriend: Misty Croslin

FATHER'S GIRLFRIEND

Misty Croslin – age 17

Misty's father: Hank Thomas Croslin – age 40

Misty's mother: Lisa Croslin – age 39

Misty's siblings: Lindsey and Chelsea

Misty's father’s occupation: owns T&T Drywall Company – Hank Croslin, Inc.

Misty's father’s relatives: Chester Leon – age 44; Adam Troy – age 43;
June Marie – age 63; Timothy A. – age 21 (this could be Misty's older brother); Michael – (no age given)



Corrections from my notes to your list of who's who:

"Mother of Haleigh is Crystal Diane Sheffield – age 24 .... "

According to my notes, she is 23, born on 8-30-1985:
Crystal Sheffield, 23, mother. Was at her home when Haleigh disappeared.
Currently lives in Glen Saint Mary, Florida.

In addition to yours, I also have:
Andrew Sheffield, uncle of Crystal Sheffield.
Sarah Sheffield, sister, 21 years old. MACCLENNY, Florida

Crystals children are:
Haleigh Ann Marie Sheffield, 5, (DOB: 8-15-2003)
Ronald (Junior) Cummings (aka butterbean) 4, brother of Haleigh. (DOB: 2-14-2005)
Chloe, 9 months as of Jan.15, 2009

Aunts: Katrina Belcher, Dana

For Ronald's side of the family, I have:

Ronald Lemyles Cummings, 25, father. DOB: 10-19-1983.

Crystal Cummings, Ronald's sister, aunt to Haleigh.

Teresa Ann Never, 48, Ronald's mother, grandmother of Haleigh, Alachua County SO Dispatcher. DOB: 3-7-1960.



Does anyone know Jack (Ron's dads middle name)???


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 12:18:10 AM

I know we've been over this, and don't want to rile anyone up; but the whole door wide open thing just screams staged to me and I can't seem to get past it.

.02.





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 12:20:26 AM

Thanks for the list, Peanut.

I could be wrong, but I could have sworn that Misty's siblings were two brothers, Timothy and Thomas Croslin and their wives, Misty's sisters-in-law are Lindsay and Chelsea; But I'm off caffeine today and clearly can't be trusted. . ::MonkeyLaugh::

oh...im not sure on her siblings either, i c&p it from a previous post from brandi and wyks.

will have to check more things out i guess, and also include all the kids from chad griffis.






Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 12:21:10 AM

I know we've been over this, and don't want to rile anyone up; but the whole door wide open thing just screams staged to me and I can't seem to get past it.

.02.





ME TOO~after all wouldn't a perp wan't his crime to go unnoticed for as long as possible....easier to get more distance from crime scene to wherever????? That never made since to me.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 12:22:06 AM

Does anyone know Jack (Ron's dads middle name)???


Jack Lester Cummings.

But let me see...   how do I know that. .  ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 12:23:37 AM

Jack Lester Cummings... according to this site;

However I don't know that it is exactly a beacon of journalisitic integrity.  .  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.cafemom.com/group/99606/forums/read/7597486/Who_s_Who (http://www.cafemom.com/group/99606/forums/read/7597486/Who_s_Who)



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 12:24:15 AM

I know we've been over this, and don't want to rile anyone up; but the whole door wide open thing just screams staged to me and I can't seem to get past it.

.02.





ME TOO~after all wouldn't a perp wan't his crime to go unnoticed for as long as possible....easier to get more distance from crime scene to wherever????? That never made since to me.

i agree, that and the light on are def hinky. only way it would make any sense at all was if the intruder heard something/someone and booked out asap.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 12:26:20 AM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095&catid=295

Detectives have talked to the child. Relatives on both sides say he told police he saw a man in a ski mask come in their trailer and leave with his big sister.

Just thought we'd throw a ski mask in to the all black outfit.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

What they gonna add tomorrow, that he also saw a black 9mm Beretta (gun) ?? 

And the 4 yr old supposedly saw what he did in the dark bedroom. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 12:28:54 AM
Peanut..the light bothers me as well...Also, the home is not that big...wouldn't you notice if a light was switched on near your room? why would a perp take the chance of turning on a light and someone seeing him??? makes no sense...they creep around in the dark, like dark houses and bushes outside the dark house to hide in etc....

Big fat yes to Peanut and Cookie and.. and sorry I forgot who else.... about the light being a red flag. Has always bothered me. Not impossible, but really peculiar and seems sort of generally unlikey and weird.

But then we're speculating this from the perspective that Miss Misty was home to even SEE the light going on. And jr. may not be as likely to notice a light. Or woud he? And even if he did, what would he likely do? He doesn't have a lot of options.

Still the more light, the better that someone will see you and ID you.. if there's anyone there to see you and ID you. And then the less light, the more bumping into stuff and knocking stuff over; But yet again if there's no one there but two kids under 5..... and perp knows that.

But that brings me back to...why no trace of the guy? Tracks, prints, tires, feet, etc. Is the ground so hard or grassy or whatever that there are NO prints or traces of people walking? No tracks or trace of someone going all those yards to "fetch" (southern) (TM me) the cinderblock aka "brick?" (TM Misty)

And Ron doesn't strike me as the type of dude not to know what's in his yard. Did he not say he had no awareness of a stack of cinderblocks or am I  losing it and need a nap?  ::MonkeyCool::



Yep, he said he hadn't noticed cinderblocks in his yard or near the house etc.  When the reporters panned the cameras around the back yard, they zoomed into the mobile home... and voila!!  Right there, near the right corner of the mobile home (looking at it from the back), a pile of cinderblocks very near to, almost under the mobile home itself.  Within feet of the side/back door where the ramp is, where the screen door was supposedly found propped open with a cinderblock.  And I was thinking then, "omg Ron, who the hell do you think you're kidding?"   ::MonkeyNoNo::


What video I keep hear about the cinder blocks too, but never saw them.  And one more thing, my husband worked the 3 to midnight shift for a year and he most definatly could not tell you what was in our yard at that time.  I hated it always had to cut the grass waaaaa!  But what video?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 12:29:33 AM
hearing... getting tired and wandering.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 12:29:37 AM
Oh well, we can delete this if it's not Ron's dad, but here are the records for Jack Lester Cummings.............pls, let this one be unrelated ::MonkeyConfused::

Details:

UCN: 542000MM000155XXAXMX
File Date: 2000-01-18 Judge: PETER T MILLER   
Defense Atty: 

Defendant
CUMMINGS, JACK LESTER 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2000-01-18 1 COMPLAINT: JANET RICKS BATTERY-DVR 

2000-04-18 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION 


Details:

UCN: 542000CF001698XXAXMX
File Date: 2000-10-25 Judge: A W NICHOLS III   
Defense Atty: STEPHENSON, JOHN W 

Defendant
CUMMINGS, JACK LESTER 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2000-10-25 1 COMPLAINT FILED: SCHEME TO DEFRAUD 

2000-10-25 1 BY DOMINIC PISCITELLO 

2000-11-17 2 WARRANT ISSUED - BOND SET AT $1504.00 

2000-12-07 3 BOND UNSECURED IN OPEN COURT ON 12/07/2000 

2000-12-07 3 PER JUDGE NICHOLS 

2000-12-08 4 ARREST REPORT - CHARGES 

2000-12-08 4 SCHEME TO DEFRAUD- BOND SET AT $1504.00 UNSECURED 

2000-12-08 5 APPEARANCE BOND - UNSECURED $ 1504.00 

2000-12-08 6 DEFENDANT'S NOTIFICATION OF BOND CONDITIONS 

2000-12-13 7 INFORMATION (SCHEME TO DEFRAUD) 

2000-12-14 8 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (01/03/2001) 

2000-12-14 9 WARRANT RETURNED EXECUTED 

2000-12-20 10 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT RETURNED 

2000-12-21 11 WAIVER OF ARRAIGNMENT AND WRITTEN PLEA OF NOT GUILTY 

2000-12-21 11 FILED BY JOHN W. STEPHENSON 

2000-12-21 11 CASE SET FOR PRE TRIAL 02/01/2001 

2000-12-28 12 ORDER SETTING PRE TRIAL 02/01/2001 

2001-01-02 13 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (02-01-2001) OUT OF JAIL 

2001-01-09 14 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT RETURNED 

2001-02-01 15 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY 

2001-02-01 15 JOHN STEPHENSON. CASE SET FOR PLEA DAY 2/16/2001 

2001-02-05 16 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (02-16-2001) OUT OF JAIL 

2001-02-09 17 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT RETURNED 

2001-02-16 18 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY 

2001-02-16 18 JOHN STEPHENSON, W/D FORMER PLEA AND PLEAD NOLO AS 

2001-02-16 18 CHARGED SCHEME TO DEFRAUD, ADVISED OF 5YRS AND OR 

2001-02-16 18 $5000 FINE, PL ACCEPTED, PSI ORDERED, CASE SET FOR 

2001-02-16 18 SENTENCING 3/27/2001. RESTITUTION TO BE MADE- DEFT'S 

2001-02-16 18 CORRECT ADDRESS: P.O. BOX 502 LAKE COMO, FL. 32139 

2001-02-19 19 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (03-27-2001) OUT OF JAIL 

2001-03-27 20 SCORESHEET FILED 

2001-03-27 21 SENTENCING MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY JOHN STEPHENSON 

2001-03-27 21 SENTENCED AS FOLLOWS: COURT WITHHELD ADJUDICATION OF 

2001-03-27 21 GUILT, ORDERED TO PAY $255 COURT COST AND $320 

2001-03-27 21 RESTITUTION, SENTENCED TO 5 YEARS PROBATION, COST OF 

2001-03-27 21 SUPERVISION SET AT $5 PER MONTH, IF NO VIOLATIONS HAVE 

2001-03-27 21 OCCURED AND ALL COSTS ARE PAID THE PROBATION MAY 

2001-03-27 21 TERMINATE AFTER 2 YEARS 

2001-03-28 22 ORDER OF PROBATION - ENT MIN CIR CT BK 336 PG 298-301 

2002-01-14 23 AFFIDAVIT VIOLATION OF SUPERVISION-(SCHEME TO DEFRAUD) 

2002-01-14 24 WARRANT FOR VIOLATION OF PROBATION ISSUED 

2002-01-14 24 BOND SET AT $NO BOND FIRM 

2002-01-15 25 REARREST REPORT - VIOLATION OF PROBATION 

2002-01-15 25 BOND SET AT NO BOND FIRM 

2002-01-15 26 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY 

2002-01-15 27 APPLICATION AND ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER 

2002-01-16 28 WARRANT FOR VIOLATION OF PROBATION RETURNED EXECUTED 

2002-01-18 29 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (01-31-2002) IN JAIL 

2002-01-31 30 VOP ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: DEFT PRES, P D APPOINTED 

2002-01-31 30 ARRAIGNED, ENTERED A PLEA OF NOLO TO VOP CONDS #1 & #2, 

2002-01-31 30 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE 

2002-01-31 30 PLEA ACCEPTED, SENTENCING SET ON 01/31/2002 

2002-01-31 31 SCORESHEET FILED 

2002-01-31 32 VOP SENTENCING MINUTES: DEF PRES, ATT BY JOHN STEPHENSON 

2002-01-31 32 SENTENCED AS FOLLOWS: COURT ORDERED PROBATION REVOKED, 

2002-01-31 32 DEFENDANT ADJUDGED GUILTY, SENTENCED TO 364 DAYS PCJ 

2002-01-31 32 WITH 19 DAYS CREDIT, ANY REMAINING FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS 

2002-01-31 32 CONVERTED TO A CIVIL LIEN 

2002-01-31 33 VOP JUDGMENT AND SENTENCE - ENT MIN CIR CT 

2002-01-31 33 BK 350 PG 483-498 

2002-02-11 34 ORDER OF REVOCATION OF PROBATION 

2002-02-11 34 ENT MIN CIR CT BK 350 PG 482 

2002-02-11 35 CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE AS TO JUDGMENT AND SENTENCE 

2002-02-12 36 RESTITUTION ORDER- $58.65 NAPA AUTO PARTS- ENT AS 

2002-02-12 36 CIVIL JUDGMENT_ REC OR BK. 884 PAGE 732-733 

2002-02-12 37 RESTITUTION ORDER_ $18.65 TO HENRY'S FISH CAMP- 

2002-02-12 37 ENT AS CIVIL JUDGMENT_ REC OR BK. 884 PG 730-731 

2002-02-12 38 RESTITUTION ORDER- $33.65 TO FRUITLAND ACE HARDWARE- 

2002-02-12 38 ENT AS CIVIL JUDGMENT_ REC OR BK. 884 PAGE 728-729 

2002-02-12 39 CHARGES/COSTS/FEES- $255.00 COURT COST- ENT AS CIVIL 

2002-02-12 39 JUDGMENT- REC OR BK. 884 PAGE 725 

2002-02-12 40 RESTITUTION ORDER- $71.15 TO BARKERS CHEVRON- ENT AS 

2002-02-12 40 CIVIL JUDGMENT_ REC OR BK. 884 PAGE 726-727 

2002-03-21 41 $3.85 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE 


Details:

UCN: 542008MM004483XXAXMX
File Date: 2008-11-24 Judge: PETER T MILLER   
Defense Atty: 

Defendant
CUMMINGS, JACK LESTER 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2008-11-24 1 ARREST REPORT - PCSO/ BRIDGES (ARREST 11-23-08) 

2008-11-24 1 BOOKING NUMBER: 08-05080 

2008-11-24 1 TRESPASS AFTER WARNING 

2008-11-24 2 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG 11-24-08 

2008-11-24 2 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED FOR FIRST APPEARANCE ONLY 

2008-11-24 2 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND 

2008-11-24 2 $504.00 SECURED BOND SET 

2008-11-24 3 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY 

2008-11-24 4 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR 1ST APP HEARING 

2008-11-25 5 $504.00 A-1 24HR CITY BEST BAIL BONDS#2136126 11-24-08 

2008-12-17 6 INFORMATION (TRESPASS AFTER WARNING) 

2008-12-17 7 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (01/20/2009) 

2009-01-20 8 ARR MIN: DEFT PRES IN COURT WAIVING RIGHT TO COUNSEL 

2009-01-20 8 ARR ENT PLEA OF NOLO CONTENDERE TO TRESPASS AFTER 

2009-01-20 8 WARNING - DEFT SWORN, PLEA ACCEPTED - 

2009-01-20 8 DEFENDANT ADJUDGED GUILTY 

2009-01-20 8 2 DAYS PCJ WITH 2 DAYS CREDIT 

2009-01-20 8 $283.00 FINE AND COST SUSPENDED 

2009-01-20 8 $ 50.00 COST OF PROSECUTION SUSPENDED 

2009-01-20 9 WAIVER OF COUNSEL 

2009-01-20 10 WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO 

2009-01-20 10 CRIMINAL CHARGES IN COUNTY COURT 

2009-01-26 11 COMMITMENT ISSUED 

2009-01-28 12 JUDGMENT AND SENTENCE CT I 


Details:

UCN: 541991MM002343XXAXMX
File Date: 1991-05-19 Judge: PETER T MILLER   
Defense Atty: LUKASHOW, TOM 

Defendant
CUMMINGS, JACK LESTER 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
1991-05-19 1 ARREST REPORT: WILLIAM T GRUBBS 

1991-05-19 2 CITATION NO: #11726-JA 

1991-05-20 3 DEFT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HEARING, ADJ INS P D APPT 

1991-05-20 3 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND. $504.00 UNSECURED BOND SET 

1991-05-21 4 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY 

1991-05-21 5 APPLICATION AND ORDER FOR APPOINTMENT OF PUBLIC DEFENDER 

1991-05-21 6 APPEARANCE BOND (UNSECURED) 

1991-05-24 7 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (6-11-91) 

1991-06-11 8 DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY FRANK GEORGE, ASST P D 

1991-06-11 8 ARR ENT PLEA OF GUILTY TO DUI - LESS THAN .20 

1991-06-11 8 DEFT SWORN, PLEA ACCEPTED, ADJUDGED GUILTY 

1991-06-11 8 PROB HRDS 1 YEAR 

1991-06-11 8 $556.50 FINE 

1991-06-11 8 D L REVOKED 6 MONTHS 

1991-06-11 8 50 HOURS COMMUNITY SERVICE 

1991-06-11 8 DUI SCHOOL 

1991-06-11 9 WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NO CONTEST TO CRIMINAL CHARGE IN 

1991-06-11 9 COUNTY COURT 

1991-06-11 10 ORDER OF PROBATION 

1991-09-06 11 AFFIDAVIT: VIOLATION OF PROBATION 

1991-09-09 12 VOP SUMMONS ISSUED BY CERTIFIED MAIL (10-8-91) 

1991-09-17 13 VOP SUMMONS RETURNED EXECUTED 

1991-10-08 14 DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY FRANK GEORGE ARR ENT PLEA OF NOT GUILTY 

1991-10-08 14 SET FOR EVIDENTIARY HEARING ON 11-6-91 

1991-10-08 15 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (11-6-91) 

1991-10-08 16 NOTICE OF INTENT TO PARTICIPATE IN DISCOVERY 

1991-11-06 17 DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY FRANK GEORGE, ASST P D 

1991-11-06 17 W-DREW FORMER PLEA, ENT PLEA OF NOLO CONTENDERE TO VOP 

1991-11-06 17 PLEA ACCEPTED, 

1991-11-06 17 PROBATION MODIFIED AND EXTENDED 

1991-11-06 17 50 HOURS COMMUNITY SERVICE IN LIEU OF 1/2 OF FINE 

1991-11-06 18 WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NO CONTEST TO CRIMINAL CHARGE IN 

1991-11-06 18 COUNTY COURT 

1991-11-20 19 ORDER OF MODIFICATION OF PROBATION 

1991-11-20 19 (PROB REINSTATED 7 MONTHS AND 4 DAYS OR FROM 11-6-91 

1991-11-20 19 TO 6-10-92) 

1992-01-13 20 AFFIDAVIT: VIOLATION OF PROBATION 

1992-01-23 21 VOP SUMMONS ISSUED BY CERTIFIED MAIL (2-11-92) 

1992-02-11 22 DEFT NOT PRESENT FOR VIOLATION ARRAIGNMENT 

1992-02-11 22 CAPIAS ISSUED - BOND $1004.00 

1992-03-09 23 VOP SUMMONS RETURNED UNEXECUTED 

1992-07-06 24 RE ARREST: VIOLATION OF PROBATION 

1992-07-07 25 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY 

1992-07-07 26 CAPIAS RETURNED EXECUTED 

1992-07-07 27 $1004.00 JACK'S BOND POSTED #264732 (7-6-92) 

1992-07-08 28 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (7-28-92) 

1992-07-28 29 DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY TOM LUKASHOW, ASST PD, ARR ENT PLEA NOT 

1992-07-28 29 GUILTY CASE SET FOR EVIDENTIARY HEARING ON 09/14/92 

1992-07-28 30 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (9/14/92) 

1992-07-30 31 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (9/14/92) 

1992-09-14 32 VOP HRG MINUTES: 

1992-09-14 32 DEFT PRES, W-DREW FORMER PLEA - ENT PLEA OF NOLO CONTENDERE 

1992-09-14 32 TO VOP - PLEA ACCEPTED - PROBATION REINSTATED 90 DAYS 

1992-09-14 33 WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NO CONTEST TO CRIMINAL CHARGE IN 

1992-09-14 33 COUNTY COURT 

1992-09-14 34 BONDSMAN DISCHARGED 

1992-09-24 35 ORDER OF MODIFICATION OF PROBATION 

1992-09-24 35 (PROB REINSTATED 9-14-92 TO 12-13-92) 

1992-12-15 36 ORDER OF MODIFICATION OF PROBATION 

1992-12-15 36 (EXTENDED 12/14/92 TO 3/13/93) 

1993-02-10 37 ORDER OF MODIFICATION OF PROBATION 

1993-02-10 37 (PROB PLACED ON HOLD DUE TO BACK INJURY UNTIL 3/13/94) 

1994-02-10 38 AMENDED ORDER OF MODIFICATION OF PROBATION 

1994-02-10 38 NUNC PRO TUNC TO 11/06/91 - REINSTATED 11/06/91 

1994-02-10 38 TO 6/10/92. FINE REDUCED TO $278.25 AND DEFT SHALL 

1994-02-10 38 COMPLETE 50 HOURS COMMUNITY SERVICE IN LIEU OF REDUCTION 

1994-03-03 39 $278.25 FINE PAID 

1994-03-04 40 SUCCESSFUL TERMINATION OF PROBATION 




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 26, 2009, 12:29:39 AM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095&catid=295

Detectives have talked to the child. Relatives on both sides say he told police he saw a man in a ski mask come in their trailer and leave with his big sister.

Just thought we'd throw a ski mask in to the all black outfit.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

What they gonna add tomorrow, that he also saw a black 9mm Beretta (gun) ?? 

And the 4 yr old supposedly saw what he did in the dark bedroom. 

I just heard that the LE is saying that JR,s story is not believable, they arent putting much stock in it!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 12:29:56 AM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095&catid=295

Detectives have talked to the child. Relatives on both sides say he told police he saw a man in a ski mask come in their trailer and leave with his big sister.

Just thought we'd throw a ski mask in to the all black outfit.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

What they gonna add tomorrow, that he also saw a black 9mm Beretta (gun) ?? 

And the 4 yr old supposedly saw what he did in the dark bedroom. 


i wish we knew if the tv in the bedroom was on while they slept, haleighs bed was near it...could have provided just enough light.

but they wont tell us anything! ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 12:31:35 AM

I know we've been over this, and don't want to rile anyone up; but the whole door wide open thing just screams staged to me and I can't seem to get past it.

.02.


ME TOO~after all wouldn't a perp wan't his crime to go unnoticed for as long as possible....easier to get more distance from crime scene to wherever????? That never made since to me.

i agree, that and the light on are def hinky. only way it would make any sense at all was if the intruder heard something/someone and booked out asap.

True that y'all, but the propping bugs me too; And does the propping scream someone wantin to haul "A" outta there?

Maybe so....

It just seems so extraneous. And contrived. to me...

And the whole blanket story bugs me greatly. Is she accounting for a missing blanket? Or a blanket that is too clean? Or does she want us to infer that someone was peeping now that the window was uncovered?

*sigh*

The other WTH thing is the shirt. Was it on TOP of the dirty clothes pile? Was it buried in underneath there? How likely is it that she remembered correctly what Haleigh was wearing? Some kids have special jammies and won't sleep in anything else and some even have a backup second same set. If that's the case it would be easy to know; But was that pink shirt Misty described a day play shirt or a nighty jammie shirt?

Confundido



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 26, 2009, 12:31:42 AM
Dang, if this is Ron's Dad, this family has built the Jailhouse there in Satsuma with all these fines!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 26, 2009, 12:34:09 AM
I still  say her dissapearance has something to do with the cousin, there is some kind of connection between the two and I cant figure it out yet, but I just feel like he did something!

supposedly he was cleared though right?
well thats what LE said but, how do we know what he could have cookied up in the name of revenge, He didnt neccessarily have to be the one there, he could have sent someone else, I just know he and mistie is involved someway!
also, there was a train that came by about the same time that the Le drove up to the Cummings house, if someone jumped on that train and then jumped off again 20 miles down the road, unless they left any clues how would anybody know?   I myself as a child me and my brothers use to do this because we knew where this train track went and we would crawl into the empty box-car and ride for about 6 miles and then jump off and go to my aunts house and it was no big deal, so I know it can be done!


HH, I totally agree.  We didn't live around trains, but I (and some of my country friends) might have hopped a slow moving train a time or two if one'd come 'round. 

I am reading backwards, but I mentioned the train/water issue early on when Haleigh vanished...if I were LE, I'd be huntin' at every stop/or when it slowed between Satsuma and the end of the world.  I hope LE share our concerns/of like mind re. the train tracks and waterways thereabouts.  :smt115

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 12:34:58 AM
Dang, if this is Ron's Dad, this family has built the Jailhouse there in Satsuma with all these fines!


BWAH!! Gotta generate that revenue . . . ::MonkeyLaugh::




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 12:37:23 AM
does anyone know yardwise, just how close the nearest body of water is? maybe a boat could have been used?

I sound like a moron now but it was 400 feet or 400 yards I want to say yards. Dangit, I cant keep up with all the links. So unless I find a reliable source don't listen to me, heh.



At the outset of Miss Haleigh's disappearance I questioned the tracking dogs going to the railroad tracks and water (St John's River/tributaries/canals?).  Cummings family resided very, very close to both.

I was listening to a broadcast one eve and the reporter was drowned out by train warning, so that implies it moves slowly through intersections thereabouts.

Dispatcher/deps are recorded saying early on that whomever should contact CSX re. their schedule through that area.

As re. tracking dogs, I would have taken them to the other side of the river that night to see if scent was picked up on the other side, but I never heard that LE/K9s headed over to the other side at that juncture.  Maybe they did head over there, but if they didn't it was a lost opp imho.    ::MonkeyNoNo::

Foggy


As for the differing reports of 1. the dogs ending at the water, and 2. the dogs ending at the tracks, am thinking it's the same thing.  Have heard that the train goes out over the water on a train bridge going to the island or whatever on the other side.  Where one of the RSO's live, by the way.  And yeah, heard something about how slow the train has to go in one part in that area near the Cummings because it makes a tight curve or something like that. 
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 12:37:57 AM
Dang, if this is Ron's Dad, this family has built the Jailhouse there in Satsuma with all these fines!

According to the players Jack Lester Cummings is Ronald's dad........there were more charges, but some almost no info and some were for minor infractions, so I didn't c/p those ::MonkeyConfused::

Any brothers to Crystal or Ron??


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 12:41:55 AM
Ya know, in the earliest reports we heard about "a johnny boat that LE took".  I've never heard about that since.  Some thought that comment was about LE's own johnny boat that they "took" (used) to search the water.  Others think that comment was that LE "took" (seized) a johnny boat belonging to Ron.  Anyone hear about this? 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 12:44:49 AM
Actually real Peddies thump and dump, not to be so graphic, but that is the whole reason for the search in a so many mile radius.  Usually you never find the bodies or atleast not a link to the SO.  I think we get lucky when we catch them: Adam Walsh, Danielle VanDam, Dylan Groen, the list goes on.

Florida Department of Law Enforcement agent Al Danna, who for 25 years has investigated crimes against children, said 44 percent of children abducted by strangers are killed within the first hour. The statistic rises to 74 percent within three hours and 91 percent are killed within 24 hours of being abducted.

Within a week of a child going missing, 99 percent have been killed by the abductor, Danna said.

"Sometimes it's a matter of the abductor knowing they will victimize and kill a child right from the start, or they'll let them go," Danna said. "Or it's a case where the child does something that panics the abductor, or the publicity of the child going missing gets too great, and the abductor kills them to eliminate the witness. But normally it's planned and not a spur-of-the-moment outcome. Abductors rarely hold onto children for years."

So yeah a light left on and a door left open does work for me with a SO abduction.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 12:44:57 AM
Just another thing about Haleigh and water...I don't know about a great fear of water here.

In all of the pics of Haleigh in/near water, at the river, at a pool, she looks happy to me, no sign of any fear or reluctance. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 26, 2009, 12:45:21 AM
Ya know, in the earliest reports we heard about "a johnny boat that LE took".  I've never heard about that since.  Some thought that comment was about LE's own johnny boat that they "took" (used) to search the water.  Others think that comment was that LE "took" (seized) a johnny boat belonging to Ron.  Anyone hear about this? 


I don't remember hearing anything about a johnny boat.  In fact, I don't know what a johnny boat is but I'll google and find out  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 12:48:32 AM
the sleuths are all over the Chad Reynolds angle anyway.  you know I wish I could post from blackberry on here like I can on there site...bummer.  And yesterday I stumbled across stolen goods from our site over there...hee hee hee.

At WS, I only read the forensic astrologer's area.  And they are all over the RSO Donald Lee Sapp. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 12:48:57 AM
Ya know, in the earliest reports we heard about "a johnny boat that LE took".  I've never heard about that since.  Some thought that comment was about LE's own johnny boat that they "took" (used) to search the water.  Others think that comment was that LE "took" (seized) a johnny boat belonging to Ron.  Anyone hear about this? 


Just more rumors and speculation. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: higherhopes on February 26, 2009, 12:49:31 AM
Ya know, in the earliest reports we heard about "a johnny boat that LE took".  I've never heard about that since.  Some thought that comment was about LE's own johnny boat that they "took" (used) to search the water.  Others think that comment was that LE "took" (seized) a johnny boat belonging to Ron.  Anyone hear about this? 


I don't remember hearing anything about a johnny boat.  In fact, I don't know what a johnny boat is but I'll google and find out  ::MonkeyHaHa::
its a john boat actually, and its just a small boat that you can use to cross a pond or river, with paddles or a trolling motor, very small like with two seats, it could also be called a skiff...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 12:49:56 AM
Actually real Peddies thump and dump, not to be so graphic, but that is the whole reason for the search in a so many mile radius.  Usually you never find the bodies or atleast not a link to the SO.  I think we get lucky when we catch them: Adam Walsh, Danielle VanDam, Dylan Groen, the list goes on.

Florida Department of Law Enforcement agent Al Danna, who for 25 years has investigated crimes against children, said 44 percent of children abducted by strangers are killed within the first hour. The statistic rises to 74 percent within three hours and 91 percent are killed within 24 hours of being abducted.

Within a week of a child going missing, 99 percent have been killed by the abductor, Danna said.

"Sometimes it's a matter of the abductor knowing they will victimize and kill a child right from the start, or they'll let them go," Danna said. "Or it's a case where the child does something that panics the abductor, or the publicity of the child going missing gets too great, and the abductor kills them to eliminate the witness. But normally it's planned and not a spur-of-the-moment outcome. Abductors rarely hold onto children for years."

So yeah a light left on and a door left open does work for me with a SO abduction.

its so godawful, but im really worried that this is what happened.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 12:50:58 AM
I wonder if the paster just mis-spoke and said "8 hours" b/c that's the norm for a lot of folks and Ron didn't actually say 8.

Also, Haleigh got out of "school" at like 12 right? Since she's only 5? Or did she have an after-care thing?

So many questions.

We've got every cell phone ping that Casey Anthony... and all her array of relatves.... and casual aquaintances.... and boinks-du-jour  ever pinged, but so little here. Dang.


Folks there have said that kindergarten is an all day thing in that area.  She was at school til about 3 pm, then took the bus, and Ron supposedly met her bus. 

Good point on what the pastor may have meant. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 12:51:40 AM
It's Morbid i know, but that's why they do the ground search in that ever widening circle when they have no clue with an abduction case.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 12:53:06 AM

Are the aerial photos a no-no?

Cos I was "fixin to" post one and ask a question... but I won't....

Now I'm ah-scared. .  ::MonkeyCool::


ask Brandi she's in charge I think if Klaas is not here, I do it, just try not to blow us up!!

Klaas is always here, even if it seems she isn't.   ::MonkeyHaHa::  She has eyes in the back of her head, like moms.  Bless her heart.  heheheeeeeeee


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 12:54:05 AM
I wonder if the paster just mis-spoke and said "8 hours" b/c that's the norm for a lot of folks and Ron didn't actually say 8.

Also, Haleigh got out of "school" at like 12 right? Since she's only 5? Or did she have an after-care thing?

So many questions.

We've got every cell phone ping that Casey Anthony... and all her array of relatves.... and casual aquaintances.... and boinks-du-jour  ever pinged, but so little here. Dang.


Folks there have said that kindergarten is an all day thing in that area.  She was at school til about 3 pm, then took the bus, and Ron supposedly met her bus. 

Good point on what the pastor may have meant. 


The sleuths have a link to the school website I'll see if I can find it to atleast confirm the time K-garten lets out.  I have never really understood this astrology thing, I looked at the chart w/all those symbols and said wtf?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 12:55:46 AM
Aerial photos are fine. 

FYI - Brandi is a valued member and a wonderful photoshop artist but is not in charge  ::MonkeyWink::

Thank you Klaas, I never know how to reach you, but than you always magically appear!!

Psssst.. Just jump on the beds once, or even think of it, and she'll magically appear.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 12:58:59 AM
Anybody here know about a boat (John Boat) and a van?

ut oh, we're on the same wavelength tonight!   ::MonkeyHaHa::  i just wrote about a johnny boat, before reading this.  skeeeery!  lol

Misty was the first one who mentioned a van, from what I recall.  She said that her blanket was in the van that they took.  Dunno what van or who 'they' is.  Her brother has a van, not sure if that's the one she meant. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 01:01:53 AM
im reposting this cause all these similar names drive me crazy(crazier?).

thanks to wyks and brandi for compiling it so far.

In case we don't have all the who's who in this case... here's another list, am still filling in info on some:

========


We have a whole thread for this, which has even more names added.  And we've learned of even more since that list was finished.  My brain was fried by then.  lol   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 01:04:42 AM

Thanks for the list, Peanut.

I could be wrong, but I could have sworn that Misty's siblings were two brothers, Timothy and Thomas Croslin and their wives, Misty's sisters-in-law are Lindsay and Chelsea; But I'm off caffeine today and clearly can't be trusted. . ::MonkeyLaugh::


No, you have that right, rana.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 01:05:27 AM
It's Morbid i know, but that's why they do the ground search in that ever widening circle when they have no clue with an abduction case.



I know I need a link before opening my yappin trap, but in many cases of stranger abductions the child or the child's body is found relatively close to where they were taken and not necessarily hidden. When the victim knows the perp, many times there is effort to hide the body.

I think I said that right.

Hope it doesn't apply here.







Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 01:11:40 AM
Peanut..the light bothers me as well...Also, the home is not that big...wouldn't you notice if a light was switched on near your room? why would a perp take the chance of turning on a light and someone seeing him??? makes no sense...they creep around in the dark, like dark houses and bushes outside the dark house to hide in etc....

Big fat yes to Peanut and Cookie and.. and sorry I forgot who else.... about the light being a red flag. Has always bothered me. Not impossible, but really peculiar and seems sort of generally unlikey and weird.

But then we're speculating this from the perspective that Miss Misty was home to even SEE the light going on. And jr. may not be as likely to notice a light. Or woud he? And even if he did, what would he likely do? He doesn't have a lot of options.

Still the more light, the better that someone will see you and ID you.. if there's anyone there to see you and ID you. And then the less light, the more bumping into stuff and knocking stuff over; But yet again if there's no one there but two kids under 5..... and perp knows that.

But that brings me back to...why no trace of the guy? Tracks, prints, tires, feet, etc. Is the ground so hard or grassy or whatever that there are NO prints or traces of people walking? No tracks or trace of someone going all those yards to "fetch" (southern) (TM me) the cinderblock aka "brick?" (TM Misty)

And Ron doesn't strike me as the type of dude not to know what's in his yard. Did he not say he had no awareness of a stack of cinderblocks or am I  losing it and need a nap?  ::MonkeyCool::



Yep, he said he hadn't noticed cinderblocks in his yard or near the house etc.  When the reporters panned the cameras around the back yard, they zoomed into the mobile home... and voila!!  Right there, near the right corner of the mobile home (looking at it from the back), a pile of cinderblocks very near to, almost under the mobile home itself.  Within feet of the side/back door where the ramp is, where the screen door was supposedly found propped open with a cinderblock.  And I was thinking then, "omg Ron, who the hell do you think you're kidding?"   ::MonkeyNoNo::


What video I keep hear about the cinder blocks too, but never saw them.  And one more thing, my husband worked the 3 to midnight shift for a year and he most definatly could not tell you what was in our yard at that time.  I hated it always had to cut the grass waaaaa!  But what video?

I wish I knew which it was.  All I know is that it was very early on when Haleigh went missing.  Cuz the media was showing the mobile home, the area behind it, the stairs with the bikes out front.  And explaining that Ron said he washed his vehicle out back (side?), and that's when he'd use that side/back door.  The cameras panned around the area out back, the trees and brush further out, then panned the back of the mobile home and zoomed in.  When they zoomed in, we could see the hose and the pile of cinderblocks.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 01:16:10 AM

I know we've been over this, and don't want to rile anyone up; but the whole door wide open thing just screams staged to me and I can't seem to get past it.

.02.


ME TOO~after all wouldn't a perp wan't his crime to go unnoticed for as long as possible....easier to get more distance from crime scene to wherever????? That never made since to me.

i agree, that and the light on are def hinky. only way it would make any sense at all was if the intruder heard something/someone and booked out asap.

True that y'all, but the propping bugs me too; And does the propping scream someone wantin to haul "A" outta there?

Maybe so....

It just seems so extraneous. And contrived. to me...

And the whole blanket story bugs me greatly. Is she accounting for a missing blanket? Or a blanket that is too clean? Or does she want us to infer that someone was peeping now that the window was uncovered?

*sigh*

The other WTH thing is the shirt. Was it on TOP of the dirty clothes pile? Was it buried in underneath there? How likely is it that she remembered correctly what Haleigh was wearing? Some kids have special jammies and won't sleep in anything else and some even have a backup second same set. If that's the case it would be easy to know; But was that pink shirt Misty described a day play shirt or a nighty jammie shirt?

Confundido



my wild guess is that haleigh went to bed wearing what she had on that day. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 01:20:42 AM
Dang, if this is Ron's Dad, this family has built the Jailhouse there in Satsuma with all these fines!

According to the players Jack Lester Cummings is Ronald's dad........there were more charges, but some almost no info and some were for minor infractions, so I didn't c/p those ::MonkeyConfused::

Any brothers to Crystal or Ron??


Please add any new names found to the Who's Who here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4570.0 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4570.0)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 01:24:28 AM
Ya know, in the earliest reports we heard about "a johnny boat that LE took".  I've never heard about that since.  Some thought that comment was about LE's own johnny boat that they "took" (used) to search the water.  Others think that comment was that LE "took" (seized) a johnny boat belonging to Ron.  Anyone hear about this? 


I don't remember hearing anything about a johnny boat.  In fact, I don't know what a johnny boat is but I'll google and find out  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I didn't know either til I googled.  Google is our friend!    ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 01:28:42 AM
Peanut..the light bothers me as well...Also, the home is not that big...wouldn't you notice if a light was switched on near your room? why would a perp take the chance of turning on a light and someone seeing him??? makes no sense...they creep around in the dark, like dark houses and bushes outside the dark house to hide in etc....

Big fat yes to Peanut and Cookie and.. and sorry I forgot who else.... about the light being a red flag. Has always bothered me. Not impossible, but really peculiar and seems sort of generally unlikey and weird.

But then we're speculating this from the perspective that Miss Misty was home to even SEE the light going on. And jr. may not be as likely to notice a light. Or woud he? And even if he did, what would he likely do? He doesn't have a lot of options.

Still the more light, the better that someone will see you and ID you.. if there's anyone there to see you and ID you. And then the less light, the more bumping into stuff and knocking stuff over; But yet again if there's no one there but two kids under 5..... and perp knows that.

But that brings me back to...why no trace of the guy? Tracks, prints, tires, feet, etc. Is the ground so hard or grassy or whatever that there are NO prints or traces of people walking? No tracks or trace of someone going all those yards to "fetch" (southern) (TM me) the cinderblock aka "brick?" (TM Misty)

And Ron doesn't strike me as the type of dude not to know what's in his yard. Did he not say he had no awareness of a stack of cinderblocks or am I  losing it and need a nap?  ::MonkeyCool::



Yep, he said he hadn't noticed cinderblocks in his yard or near the house etc.  When the reporters panned the cameras around the back yard, they zoomed into the mobile home... and voila!!  Right there, near the right corner of the mobile home (looking at it from the back), a pile of cinderblocks very near to, almost under the mobile home itself.  Within feet of the side/back door where the ramp is, where the screen door was supposedly found propped open with a cinderblock.  And I was thinking then, "omg Ron, who the hell do you think you're kidding?"   ::MonkeyNoNo::


What video I keep hear about the cinder blocks too, but never saw them.  And one more thing, my husband worked the 3 to midnight shift for a year and he most definatly could not tell you what was in our yard at that time.  I hated it always had to cut the grass waaaaa!  But what video?

I wish I knew which it was.  All I know is that it was very early on when Haleigh went missing.  Cuz the media was showing the mobile home, the area behind it, the stairs with the bikes out front.  And explaining that Ron said he washed his vehicle out back (side?), and that's when he'd use that side/back door.  The cameras panned around the area out back, the trees and brush further out, then panned the back of the mobile home and zoomed in.  When they zoomed in, we could see the hose and the pile of cinderblocks.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


I could be wrong, but I'm guessing that since Ron said that he had the 12 hour shift that he probably had 3 (maybe 4?) days "on" and then 4 (or conversely 3) days off. FWIW.





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 01:39:13 AM
I know "time" for young kids is a whole 'nother can of worms, but what makes me hinky about Jr's "man in black" is that would be frightening to him, wouldn't it? So he would have reacted somehow right?... cried..... looked for Misty-psuedo-mommy.....  something? 

I mean if he is astute enough to grasp the concept of someone "taking Sissy" it seems he would have done something even if it was just to cry. And was Jr just sitting quietly during all the screaming of the 911 call or was he asleep?

I'm just so confused. Where was Misty? Did all this happen just before Ron pulled up in the dirveway? or did it happen at all? Not saying the child is lying; He may believe what he says.






Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Scarrlett on February 26, 2009, 05:57:54 AM
Good Morning Monkeys....Thanks for all your up-dates and observations.

Dang IslandM...Your skills of bringing up info on people is amazing!! You should be in that field of work.

Thanks for the list Peanut...So,

Who is Chloe Father??.....The mothers ,step-brother,cousins ,wifes, step-uncles, sisiters,brothers,friend????  Lordy.     ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

It's funny how they started the finger pointing with Geraldo, and now they are being looked into as well.

If you live in a glass house, you shouldn't throw stones



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Scarrlett on February 26, 2009, 06:41:00 AM

I know we've been over this, and don't want to rile anyone up; but the whole door wide open thing just screams staged to me and I can't seem to get past it.

.02.






David Westerfirld left in a haste. I still am stuck on the stalker theory. It just makes the most sense.The BTK killer, like Westerfield knew the workings of the family. During the day it is easier to gain access into the home. Especially with repairmen,family,and friends coming and going.

 This person most likely watched Ron pick her up from the bus,take her home,leave for work.Said person Could even go to Ron's work and see him sitting on a crane. Return to the home. Go in the back yard. { "All" say no one really went out there.} Prop the door open. {all trailers have cinder blocks under and around them!!}  Sneak in and hide. Ron won't be home for hours.These sick people will sit for hours in wait to get their prey. When they have their target they just flee. Out the back and into the night.

Also if Ron was an informant,I would think he would of saddled up by now and confronted them. Even if LE asked him not to. It has been a long time and he would of taken matters into his own hands by now if he had any inkling. Just my observation.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 07:22:17 AM
FWIW, here's an article regarding Crystal bio mom and the arrears of child support..... the whys and whatnots according to the family.

"Child Support is an Issue between Haleigh's Parents"

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3)



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 07:26:07 AM
Also, more disappointing news, the latest sightings didn't pan out.

(Scroll down a bit.)

"Despite 'Sightings,' Tips, Investigators No Closer To Finding Haleigh"

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18793662/detail.html (http://www.news4jax.com/news/18793662/detail.html)



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 07:30:49 AM
Also, more disappointing news, the latest sightings didn't pan out.

(Scroll down a bit.)

"Despite 'Sightings,' Tips, Investigators No Closer To Finding Haleigh"

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18793662/detail.html (http://www.news4jax.com/news/18793662/detail.html)



I'm so afraid this is going to end up as a cold case ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: theboyzmom on February 26, 2009, 07:39:33 AM
FWIW, here's an article regarding Crystal bio mom and the arrears of child support..... the whys and whatnots according to the family.

"Child Support is an Issue between Haleigh's Parents"

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3)



Even though the child support is not an issue in her missing, I find it telling of the truth of what mom says. She has not paid her child support and was pg with another child. I find people without the ability to live up to responsibilities less believable - but that is just me.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 07:54:24 AM
This 8 min clip below is sort of a hodgepodge of info - interesting not b/c it's "new" per se, but I thought it was interestiong nevertheless.
 
At the beginning of the clip, a reporter talks of speaking with Misty's mysterious 17 yr old cousin who says that he visited the family approximately 3 weeks prior to when Haleigh went missing and denies he has anything to do with it.

He says that LE interviewed him and interestingly (and perhaps expectedly) he says that he feels someone wants the attention away from him/herself and put on him.

Then the Putnam County official, Capt Schauland,  comes on and "characterizes the investigation," mentions the searches, tips, and indirectly touches on Misty's credibility in a sort of semantic dance that LE is prone to use at times that sort of responds to the question without really answering it.

Then at about 5:15 mins in, Clint Van Vandt, former FBI profiler, (who I always find interesting) weighs in discussing things that he finds notable in this case. (Then he moves on to Chandra Levy.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3jzQi6dfLM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3jzQi6dfLM)



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 08:06:03 AM
FWIW, here's an article regarding Crystal bio mom and the arrears of child support..... the whys and whatnots according to the family.

"Child Support is an Issue between Haleigh's Parents"

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3)



Even though the child support is not an issue in her missing, I find it telling of the truth of what mom says. She has not paid her child support and was pg with another child. I find people without the ability to live up to responsibilities less believable - but that is just me.

I agree this has nothing to do with her disappearance, and very unfortunate that in our current economy so many are unable to meet their financial responsibilities, many are losing their homes, jobs with no sight of it getting any better. Here starbucks had an opening and 430 people showed up to apply for the job. My ex has never paid a dime in child support, mainly because he has trouble maintaining a job, but he's not in jail. I've learned that I have to step up to the plate since I am the custodial parent and have to rely on myself for the sake of my kids. I am very fortunate though to be in an industry that is doing well in these difficult times (praying it stays that way). Since the kids live with me, I have the ultimate responsibility to care for their needs, physical and emotional.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 08:08:06 AM
FWIW, here's an article regarding Crystal bio mom and the arrears of child support..... the whys and whatnots according to the family.

"Child Support is an Issue between Haleigh's Parents"

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3)



Even though the child support is not an issue in her missing, I find it telling of the truth of what mom says. She has not paid her child support and was pg with another child. I find people without the ability to live up to responsibilities less believable - but that is just me.
I don't know Crystal's medical history of course, but sometimes pregnancy is not a picnic and some women can't work even if they want to; So for me her pregnancy is somewhat of an explantion vs a scenario in which she, let's say, had steady work, was in fine health, and just chose not to pay.

For example, if a dad had child support obligations and he had a health condition that prevented him from working for some period, I could fathom him having a hard time meeting his obligations vs if he were in normal health and working fulltime and simply choosing not to pay. Those are very different situations to me as far as trying to assess apparent intent.

I know pregnancy is not a "disease" or "disability," but it is a medical condition for (usually) a finite period of time (unless there is a permanent event like a severe stroke which is not the case here;) and sometimes there are extenuating circumstances that make some pregnancies more diffucult than others to the extent that the woman is unable to work.

Then after the pregnancy she claims to have difficulty finding a job which is believable to me since many people are in that boat. The down turn in the economy and increase in umemployment rates are not just her opinion, it's actually happening; so I find that believable as a possibility as well.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 08:10:27 AM
This 8 min clip below is sort of a hodgepodge of info - interesting not b/c it's "new" per se, but I thought it was interestiong nevertheless.
 
At the beginning of the clip, a reporter talks of speaking with Misty's mysterious 17 yr old cousin who says that he visited the family approximately 3 weeks prior to when Haleigh went missing and denies he has anything to do with it.

He says that LE interviewed him and interestingly (and perhaps expectedly) he says that he feels someone wants the attention away from him/herself and put on him.

Then the Putnam County official, Capt Schauland,  comes on and "characterizes the investigation," mentions the searches, tips, and indirectly touches on Misty's credibility in a sort of semantic dance that LE is prone to use at times that sort of responds to the question without really answering it.

Then at about 5:15 mins in, Clint Van Vandt, former FBI profiler, (who I always find interesting) weighs in discussing things that he finds notable in this case. (Then he moves on to Chandra Levy.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3jzQi6dfLM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3jzQi6dfLM)



I heard CVZ, have you been to his blog....he actually answers your questions and he has one on the case. Interesting that he mentioned that normally the LE clears family first and then branches out from there, but in this case they haven't been able to do that so it is a dual investigation. I'm just grateful the FBI is helping out because I worry about the LE in Putnam county....seems they tend to overlook serious charges and can't halp but wonder if mom's association with LE has helped enable her children to continue their criminal activities. It's a fact that they look out for each other, especially in small, rural towns.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 08:15:44 AM
This is "Associated Content's" take on the Geraldo/Ron exchange including the segment with Crystal's comments as well as her family's remarks and the neighhbor etc regarding the photo, the school injury, the tardies vs excused vs unexcused absences from "school"...etc....

(There's a page 2 and 3 following the part on this link)

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1500722/haleigh_cummings_disappearance_investigated.html?cat=9 (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1500722/haleigh_cummings_disappearance_investigated.html?cat=9)





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 08:21:24 AM

I heard CVZ, have you been to his blog....he actually answers your questions and he has one on the case. Interesting that he mentioned that normally the LE clears family first and then branches out from there, but in this case they haven't been able to do that so it is a dual investigation. I'm just grateful the FBI is helping out because I worry about the LE in Putnam county....seems they tend to overlook serious charges and can't halp but wonder if mom's association with LE has helped enable her children to continue their criminal activities. It's a fact that they look out for each other, especially in small, rural towns.

I'm a huge Clint Van Zandt profiler fan and I've been to his site in the past,  but not lately; so I'll go check it out. Thanks for the reminder. .  ::MonkeyCool::

And I'm glad the FBI is helping on the case too; That makes it much more difficult for someone who works in a small close-nit department to call in favors, so to speak.

Also, it must be overwhelming for LE there.





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 08:35:36 AM
This is "Associated Content's" take on the Geraldo/Ron exchange including the segment with Crystal's comments as well as her family's remarks and the neighhbor etc regarding the photo, the school injury, the tardies vs excused vs unexcused absences from "school"...etc....

(There's a page 2 and 3 following the part on this link)

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1500722/haleigh_cummings_disappearance_investigated.html?cat=9 (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1500722/haleigh_cummings_disappearance_investigated.html?cat=9)




Thanks for the link~good article......off to work ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: theboyzmom on February 26, 2009, 09:03:41 AM
FWIW, here's an article regarding Crystal bio mom and the arrears of child support..... the whys and whatnots according to the family.

"Child Support is an Issue between Haleigh's Parents"

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3)



Even though the child support is not an issue in her missing, I find it telling of the truth of what mom says. She has not paid her child support and was pg with another child. I find people without the ability to live up to responsibilities less believable - but that is just me.
I don't know Crystal's medical history of course, but sometimes pregnancy is not a picnic and some women can't work even if they want to; So for me her pregnancy is somewhat of an explantion vs a scenario in which she, let's say, had steady work, was in fine health, and just chose not to pay.

For example, if a dad had child support obligations and he had a health condition that prevented him from working for some period, I could fathom him having a hard time meeting his obligations vs if he were in normal health and working fulltime and simply choosing not to pay. Those are very different situations to me as far as trying to assess apparent intent.

I know pregnancy is not a "disease" or "disability," but it is a medical condition for (usually) a finite period of time (unless there is a permanent event like a severe stroke which is not the case here;) and sometimes there are extenuating circumstances that make some pregnancies more diffucult than others to the extent that the woman is unable to work.

Then after the pregnancy she claims to have difficulty finding a job which is believable to me since many people are in that boat. The down turn in the economy and increase in umemployment rates are not just her opinion, it's actually happening; so I find that believable as a possibility as well.




My point was that WHY WAS SHE GETTING PG AGAIN when she had other children to support? I know pg can be hard - I was off work for one of mine - but I also had my bills getting paid by my husband and no child support to pay. I always think it is irresponsible to get pg with another one when you can not pay for the first.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 26, 2009, 09:26:14 AM
Great posts everyone...
Who is Donald Sapp? so many names, my head is spinning..

About the pink shirt that Haleigh was last seen in...I think that she wore that to school as well and was put to bed in that shirt...I think that Misty was gone when this all happened to Haleigh....Perhaps Haleigh got up took the shirt off and went back to bed.? If Misty left the light on when she left then Haleigh would not be afraid? Or maybe the perp took it off of her on the way out the door so that there would not be a description of her clothing to be given out to the media and LE? the dirty clothes basket was kept by the back door from what I have read..

the back door with the cinder block does seem very staged to me as well...




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 26, 2009, 09:52:15 AM
Wyks I agree I enjoy reading the forensic astrology threads on WS also, that's about all I like to read over there. It is always interesting, and this is coming from someone who knows nothing about astrology. ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 09:57:11 AM
I thought I'd bring this observation over from someone who claims to have been down to Satsuma recently.

I was in Satsuma yesterday and the first tent I saw was bio-mom's. She was not there and it had a party atmosphere. I asked where RC's tent was and I was directed down the street which was about a 5 min walk. RC's grandmother and TN were there and RC was sleeping. I spoke with TN for about 30 mins and during that time RC did come out for a moment and said hi and went back inside. I gave TN a donation for RC and Jr. He was so sad looking. He looks like he has lost so much weight since I saw him on the 13th.
It was a somber feeling.

I walked back to my car, which was parked near bio-mom's tent, and she was there with more people and she was on the phone walking around so I did not want to interrupt her..........there was a lot more people there and the "Party" atmosphere was greater...a lot of laughing, etc. I know people act different I am just reporting what I observed and am not judging anyone.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 09:57:48 AM
Great posts everyone...
Who is Donald Sapp? so many names, my head is spinning..

About the pink shirt that Haleigh was last seen in...I think that she wore that to school as well and was put to bed in that shirt...I think that Misty was gone when this all happened to Haleigh....Perhaps Haleigh got up took the shirt off and went back to bed.? If Misty left the light on when she left then Haleigh would not be afraid? Or maybe the perp took it off of her on the way out the door so that there would not be a description of her clothing to be given out to the media and LE? the dirty clothes basket was kept by the back door from what I have read..

the back door with the cinder block does seem very staged to me as well...




Sapp is a pretty bad RSO~no connection to either side that anyone has been able to find.....yet ::MonkeyTongue::

I think she slept in the shirt also but why would she get up and take the shirt off and return to bed, that part doesn't make any since to me unless she had an accident and it was wer, also agree the cinder block has always raised red flags in my mind as to staging.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 09:59:20 AM
Further comments:

When you say party atmosphere, do you mean drinking and carrying on, or just more active and busy?

Because playing devil's advocate, I can look at what you described as evidence that Crystal has many friends who are providing her support and company while she deals with this horrible situation, while in contrast, Ron does not have friends who are willing to drop everything and provide support on a daily basis.

Just an observation.

I did see beer in a cooler that was opened.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 26, 2009, 09:59:36 AM
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090226/ARTICLES/902262954/1002?Title=Cadaver-dogs-to-search-for-missing-child

Cadaver dogs to search for missing child

By Lise Fisher
Staff Writer


Published: Thursday, February 26, 2009 at 9:32 a.m.
Last Modified: Thursday, February 26, 2009 at 9:32 a.m.

Officers will begin searching the area near the home of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings using canine search teams, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office reported Thursday morning.

The teams are part of Canine South, a non-law enforcement organization specializing in canine searches. The teams are made up of "cadaver dogs," which seek out human remains.

"Today's search is not in response to leads received from the family or the public but as a routine procedure that has proven itself in other missing child case," the sheriff's office reported in a statement.

Haleigh was last seen on the night of Feb. 9 at her Satsuma home. She was alone with her younger brother and her father's girlfriend, according to reports from officers. The girlfriend discovered the child missing when she got up to go to the bathroom the next morning.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 10:04:11 AM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132221&catid=3

Haleigh x-mas video


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 10:08:08 AM
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18798833/index.html

New pic's w/Ron and other family of Haleigh.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 26, 2009, 10:23:35 AM
Island..I was going to say that perhaps she had wet herself but someone else on here had said that she had not wet the bed for a number of years....still any child could have an accident...this is a puzzler since Misty said that she had the shirt on when she went to bed...
this case is so bizarre...the cast of characters gets weirder and weirder as well..

it gives me the creeps to think of when Jon Couey (sp) was stalking Jessica Lunsford, watching her and then crept into the family home and took her from her bed...just creeps me out ....that whole story of Jessica still haunts me...can hardly bear to think of the suffering this little child went through for that pervert's pleasure...He is one person that I could personally put the needle in his arm..after I beat his ass...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 10:30:19 AM
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090226/ARTICLES/902262954/1002?Title=Cadaver-dogs-to-search-for-missing-child

Cadaver dogs to search for missing child

By Lise Fisher
Staff Writer


Published: Thursday, February 26, 2009 at 9:32 a.m.
Last Modified: Thursday, February 26, 2009 at 9:32 a.m.

Officers will begin searching the area near the home of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings using canine search teams, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office reported Thursday morning.

The teams are part of Canine South, a non-law enforcement organization specializing in canine searches. The teams are made up of "cadaver dogs," which seek out human remains.

"Today's search is not in response to leads received from the family or the public but as a routine procedure that has proven itself in other missing child case," the sheriff's office reported in a statement.

Haleigh was last seen on the night of Feb. 9 at her Satsuma home. She was alone with her younger brother and her father's girlfriend, according to reports from officers. The girlfriend discovered the child missing when she got up to go to the bathroom the next morning.



Sad but good at the same time.  I mean obviously there are no clear leads in this case.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 10:31:20 AM
Interesting comment on LE from someone in Satsuma........(or at least they say they are ::MonkeyWink:: )

Well said grammalu, and if that is the case he got a hearing within a week makes me think who he has in his pocket, I live in Satsuma and Have been dealing with my ex cuz he owes me and been wanting to get a court date, needless to say it has been over a year and still have not heard from child support, I also have a good friend that filed for child support almost a year ago and is still waiting.. I guess having a relative that works in the Police department can get you ahead in certain areas. I don't see the mother having anything to do with her daughter missing not over 4100.00 I am owed 6000.00, the worse they do is take your drivers license away make you file your taxes, maybe do a few days in jail..My oldest is 21 and filed when he was 8yrs. old never got one payment of support from his father and he never showed up for court dates, well last year the state sent his dad a paper saying his debt is swiped clean and he can have his license back. I hear alot of people saying Florida is a women state, but what I have seen in years I have lived in Florida it's for the man then the women.


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 10:33:31 AM
Island..I was going to say that perhaps she had wet herself but someone else on here had said that she had not wet the bed for a number of years....still any child could have an accident...this is a puzzler since Misty said that she had the shirt on when she went to bed...
this case is so bizarre...the cast of characters gets weirder and weirder as well..

it gives me the creeps to think of when Jon Couey (sp) was stalking Jessica Lunsford, watching her and then crept into the family home and took her from her bed...just creeps me out ....that whole story of Jessica still haunts me...can hardly bear to think of the suffering this little child went through for that pervert's pleasure...He is one person that I could personally put the needle in his arm..after I beat his ass...


Maybe she was put to bed in just panties and the family does not want to state that?  Just a thought.  It's not that weird, to me.  Lots of people sleep in the buff..


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 10:35:38 AM
Interesting comment on LE from someone in Satsuma........(or at least they say they are ::MonkeyWink:: )

Well said grammalu, and if that is the case he got a hearing within a week makes me think who he has in his pocket, I live in Satsuma and Have been dealing with my ex cuz he owes me and been wanting to get a court date, needless to say it has been over a year and still have not heard from child support, I also have a good friend that filed for child support almost a year ago and is still waiting.. I guess having a relative that works in the Police department can get you ahead in certain areas. I don't see the mother having anything to do with her daughter missing not over 4100.00 I am owed 6000.00, the worse they do is take your drivers license away make you file your taxes, maybe do a few days in jail..My oldest is 21 and filed when he was 8yrs. old never got one payment of support from his father and he never showed up for court dates, well last year the state sent his dad a paper saying his debt is swiped clean and he can have his license back. I hear alot of people saying Florida is a women state, but what I have seen in years I have lived in Florida it's for the man then the women.


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3




It wouldn't be fair w/out posting Ron's response to this document here too.

Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, told First Coast News he received a copy of the document about the hearing the day before Haleigh vanished. Cummings appeared frustrated about the timing of the document's arrival and his daughter's disappearance.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 10:38:03 AM
I didn't relize he filed this motion the week before Haleigh disappeared.  So sad. 

Court documents show Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, is behind in child support by about $4,100.
A motion was filed by the state's Department of Revenue on Ronald Cummings' behalf against Sheffield for contempt. It was dated February 3rd, a week before Haleigh disappeared. A hearing was set for Sheffield for March 27.
Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, told First Coast News he received a copy of the document about the hearing the day before Haleigh vanished. Cummings appeared frustrated about the timing of the document's arrival and his daughter's disappearance.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 10:38:58 AM
Island..I was going to say that perhaps she had wet herself but someone else on here had said that she had not wet the bed for a number of years....still any child could have an accident...this is a puzzler since Misty said that she had the shirt on when she went to bed...
this case is so bizarre...the cast of characters gets weirder and weirder as well..

it gives me the creeps to think of when Jon Couey (sp) was stalking Jessica Lunsford, watching her and then crept into the family home and took her from her bed...just creeps me out ....that whole story of Jessica still haunts me...can hardly bear to think of the suffering this little child went through for that pervert's pleasure...He is one person that I could personally put the needle in his arm..after I beat his ass...


Yes, bio mom and maternal gmma said she hasn't wet the bed in yrs, BUT remember Misty said she did and that was her entire reasoning for all the blanket stories, which never really made sense because if she wet the bed, the sheets and everything would need to be washed.

Agreed about Couey, I think all sex offenders who violate children should fall under the Christopher Barrios law they are trying to pass ..ONE STRIKE and you're out. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 26, 2009, 10:39:51 AM
Thanks Klaas for posting that, cadaver dogs being used today near the home, I think LE has a very good idea of what happened, and it is only a matter of time. If they felt a SO was responsible, would they not be warning the public, since the public should be warned if this is the case? Also read this morning the media is more or less leaving, can't blame them there is hardly any info being released to report on.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 10:40:56 AM
I didn't relize he filed this motion the week before Haleigh disappeared.  So sad. 

Court documents show Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, is behind in child support by about $4,100.
A motion was filed by the state's Department of Revenue on Ronald Cummings' behalf against Sheffield for contempt. It was dated February 3rd, a week before Haleigh disappeared. A hearing was set for Sheffield for March 27.
Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, told First Coast News he received a copy of the document about the hearing the day before Haleigh vanished. Cummings appeared frustrated about the timing of the document's arrival and his daughter's disappearance.


And let's go ahead and add this to it.  Now it's all together.

Last week, on February 16th, the state signed a dismissal document which cancelled the child support contempt of court hearing until Haleigh is found. The dismissal document was filed in the Putnam County Clerk of Courts office Tuesday.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 10:42:21 AM
Interesting comment on LE from someone in Satsuma........(or at least they say they are ::MonkeyWink:: )

Well said grammalu, and if that is the case he got a hearing within a week makes me think who he has in his pocket, I live in Satsuma and Have been dealing with my ex cuz he owes me and been wanting to get a court date, needless to say it has been over a year and still have not heard from child support, I also have a good friend that filed for child support almost a year ago and is still waiting.. I guess having a relative that works in the Police department can get you ahead in certain areas. I don't see the mother having anything to do with her daughter missing not over 4100.00 I am owed 6000.00, the worse they do is take your drivers license away make you file your taxes, maybe do a few days in jail..My oldest is 21 and filed when he was 8yrs. old never got one payment of support from his father and he never showed up for court dates, well last year the state sent his dad a paper saying his debt is swiped clean and he can have his license back. I hear alot of people saying Florida is a women state, but what I have seen in years I have lived in Florida it's for the man then the women.


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3




It wouldn't be fair w/out posting Ron's response to this document here too.

Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, told First Coast News he received a copy of the document about the hearing the day before Haleigh vanished. Cummings appeared frustrated about the timing of the document's arrival and his daughter's disappearance.



That was a RESPONSE to the article about the child support........I think he's trying to get the eyes off of him by saying he's frustrated about the timing etc....he filed the paperwork, so he KNEW this document would be coming down soon....so, what is he alluding too in this stmt........??


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 10:43:02 AM
I didn't relize he filed this motion the week before Haleigh disappeared.  So sad. 

Court documents show Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, is behind in child support by about $4,100.
A motion was filed by the state's Department of Revenue on Ronald Cummings' behalf against Sheffield for contempt. It was dated February 3rd, a week before Haleigh disappeared. A hearing was set for Sheffield for March 27.
Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, told First Coast News he received a copy of the document about the hearing the day before Haleigh vanished. Cummings appeared frustrated about the timing of the document's arrival and his daughter's disappearance.


And let's go ahead and add this to it.  Now it's all together.

Last week, on February 16th, the state signed a dismissal document which cancelled the child support contempt of court hearing until Haleigh is found. The dismissal document was filed in the Putnam County Clerk of Courts office Tuesday.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: darla on February 26, 2009, 10:43:27 AM
Good Morning Monkeys ...just trying to catch up and still 4 pages behind. but caught this!!!!
1992-07-28 29 DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY TOM LUKASHOW, ASST PD, ARR ENT PLEA .

Is this the same at. that LA has now?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 10:44:44 AM
I didn't relize he filed this motion the week before Haleigh disappeared.  So sad. 

Court documents show Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, is behind in child support by about $4,100.
A motion was filed by the state's Department of Revenue on Ronald Cummings' behalf against Sheffield for contempt. It was dated February 3rd, a week before Haleigh disappeared. A hearing was set for Sheffield for March 27.
Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, told First Coast News he received a copy of the document about the hearing the day before Haleigh vanished. Cummings appeared frustrated about the timing of the document's arrival and his daughter's disappearance.


And let's go ahead and add this to it.  Now it's all together.

Last week, on February 16th, the state signed a dismissal document which cancelled the child support contempt of court hearing until Haleigh is found. The dismissal document was filed in the Putnam County Clerk of Courts office Tuesday.



Well, that is something that actually makes some since, first priority is too find Haleigh, not a contempt of court charge regarding child support.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 26, 2009, 10:55:26 AM
Island..I was going to say that perhaps she had wet herself but someone else on here had said that she had not wet the bed for a number of years....still any child could have an accident...this is a puzzler since Misty said that she had the shirt on when she went to bed...
this case is so bizarre...the cast of characters gets weirder and weirder as well..

it gives me the creeps to think of when Jon Couey (sp) was stalking Jessica Lunsford, watching her and then crept into the family home and took her from her bed...just creeps me out ....that whole story of Jessica still haunts me...can hardly bear to think of the suffering this little child went through for that pervert's pleasure...He is one person that I could personally put the needle in his arm..after I beat his ass...


Maybe she was put to bed in just panties and the family does not want to state that?  Just a thought.  It's not that weird, to me.  Lots of people sleep in the buff..

just sleeping in panties only is not weird to me at all either...children get very warm when sleeping, so just sleeping in a pair of panties or a diaper is not uncommon..
the weird part that I was referring to is this whole bizarre case...too many inconsistencies...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 26, 2009, 10:58:41 AM
Interesting comment on LE from someone in Satsuma........(or at least they say they are ::MonkeyWink:: )

Well said grammalu, and if that is the case he got a hearing within a week makes me think who he has in his pocket, I live in Satsuma and Have been dealing with my ex cuz he owes me and been wanting to get a court date, needless to say it has been over a year and still have not heard from child support, I also have a good friend that filed for child support almost a year ago and is still waiting.. I guess having a relative that works in the Police department can get you ahead in certain areas. I don't see the mother having anything to do with her daughter missing not over 4100.00 I am owed 6000.00, the worse they do is take your drivers license away make you file your taxes, maybe do a few days in jail..My oldest is 21 and filed when he was 8yrs. old never got one payment of support from his father and he never showed up for court dates, well last year the state sent his dad a paper saying his debt is swiped clean and he can have his license back. I hear alot of people saying Florida is a women state, but what I have seen in years I have lived in Florida it's for the man then the women.


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3




It wouldn't be fair w/out posting Ron's response to this document here too.

Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, told First Coast News he received a copy of the document about the hearing the day before Haleigh vanished. Cummings appeared frustrated about the timing of the document's arrival and his daughter's disappearance.



That was a RESPONSE to the article about the child support........I think he's trying to get the eyes off of him by saying he's frustrated about the timing etc....he filed the paperwork, so he KNEW this document would be coming down soon....so, what is he alluding too in this stmt........??

Island, he knew that the document would be coming soon, but he DIDN'T KNOW that his daughter would be kidnapped soon as well....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: theboyzmom on February 26, 2009, 11:02:07 AM
Interesting comment on LE from someone in Satsuma........(or at least they say they are ::MonkeyWink:: )

Well said grammalu, and if that is the case he got a hearing within a week makes me think who he has in his pocket, I live in Satsuma and Have been dealing with my ex cuz he owes me and been wanting to get a court date, needless to say it has been over a year and still have not heard from child support, I also have a good friend that filed for child support almost a year ago and is still waiting.. I guess having a relative that works in the Police department can get you ahead in certain areas. I don't see the mother having anything to do with her daughter missing not over 4100.00 I am owed 6000.00, the worse they do is take your drivers license away make you file your taxes, maybe do a few days in jail..My oldest is 21 and filed when he was 8yrs. old never got one payment of support from his father and he never showed up for court dates, well last year the state sent his dad a paper saying his debt is swiped clean and he can have his license back. I hear alot of people saying Florida is a women state, but what I have seen in years I have lived in Florida it's for the man then the women.


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3




It wouldn't be fair w/out posting Ron's response to this document here too.

Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, told First Coast News he received a copy of the document about the hearing the day before Haleigh vanished. Cummings appeared frustrated about the timing of the document's arrival and his daughter's disappearance.



That was a RESPONSE to the article about the child support........I think he's trying to get the eyes off of him by saying he's frustrated about the timing etc....he filed the paperwork, so he KNEW this document would be coming down soon....so, what is he alluding too in this stmt........??

I think you are jumping to a conclusion - I believe the way it is worded HE DID NOT file it - it says the bureau of revenue filed it - perhaps it is something they file. I know in MI the state files a motion for child support when you are on public assistance- and no matter what files a motion to enforce the child support when a person gets so far behind. This is done without the parents even asking. So I would want to see the motion to show cause before I make a call that dad filed it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 11:02:17 AM
I didn't relize he filed this motion the week before Haleigh disappeared.  So sad. 

Court documents show Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, is behind in child support by about $4,100.
A motion was filed by the state's Department of Revenue on Ronald Cummings' behalf against Sheffield for contempt. It was dated February 3rd, a week before Haleigh disappeared. A hearing was set for Sheffield for March 27.
Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, told First Coast News he received a copy of the document about the hearing the day before Haleigh vanished. Cummings appeared frustrated about the timing of the document's arrival and his daughter's disappearance.


And let's go ahead and add this to it.  Now it's all together.

Last week, on February 16th, the state signed a dismissal document which cancelled the child support contempt of court hearing until Haleigh is found. The dismissal document was filed in the Putnam County Clerk of Courts office Tuesday.



Well, that is something that actually makes some since, first priority is too find Haleigh, not a contempt of court charge regarding child support.

It still all goes together:  It shows he does have an interest in Haleigh's welfare and his getting that child support money from Crystal could make alot of difference to the lives of these children.  Just like you yourself tried to correct your support issues so is he.  To me that shows a sign of a caring parent not a dead beat who does not care: someone who takes no action for the welfare of their children imo Crystal.  Besides the in also points to the fact that he was pursuing getting the money the week prior to Haleigh's disappearance which makes me feel that he expected Haleigh to be there the following week alive and well to receive that support money she was due.  That's the way I see and that's all I'll say.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 11:04:30 AM
Interesting comment on LE from someone in Satsuma........(or at least they say they are ::MonkeyWink:: )

Well said grammalu, and if that is the case he got a hearing within a week makes me think who he has in his pocket, I live in Satsuma and Have been dealing with my ex cuz he owes me and been wanting to get a court date, needless to say it has been over a year and still have not heard from child support, I also have a good friend that filed for child support almost a year ago and is still waiting.. I guess having a relative that works in the Police department can get you ahead in certain areas. I don't see the mother having anything to do with her daughter missing not over 4100.00 I am owed 6000.00, the worse they do is take your drivers license away make you file your taxes, maybe do a few days in jail..My oldest is 21 and filed when he was 8yrs. old never got one payment of support from his father and he never showed up for court dates, well last year the state sent his dad a paper saying his debt is swiped clean and he can have his license back. I hear alot of people saying Florida is a women state, but what I have seen in years I have lived in Florida it's for the man then the women.


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3




It wouldn't be fair w/out posting Ron's response to this document here too.

Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, told First Coast News he received a copy of the document about the hearing the day before Haleigh vanished. Cummings appeared frustrated about the timing of the document's arrival and his daughter's disappearance.



That was a RESPONSE to the article about the child support........I think he's trying to get the eyes off of him by saying he's frustrated about the timing etc....he filed the paperwork, so he KNEW this document would be coming down soon....so, what is he alluding too in this stmt........??

I think you are jumping to a conclusion - I believe the way it is worded HE DID NOT file it - it says the bureau of revenue filed it - perhaps it is something they file. I know in MI the state files a motion for child support when you are on public assistance- and no matter what files a motion to enforce the child support when a person gets so far behind. This is done without the parents even asking. So I would want to see the motion to show cause before I make a call that dad filed it.

Not knowing anything about child support I didn't want to assume and point that little nugget out either.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 26, 2009, 11:04:52 AM
Fatcat...agree with your last post in regards to Ron...^^^^


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 26, 2009, 11:06:50 AM
errr...things move fast around here..meaning I agreed with fatcat's post in regards to Ron wanting the money for his children just as any parent who has custody would want and need for the care of their children...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 26, 2009, 11:08:41 AM
just reposting this in regards to the papers filed...

"""he knew that the document would be coming soon, but he DIDN'T KNOW that his daughter would be kidnapped soon as well....""


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 11:09:55 AM
Island..I was going to say that perhaps she had wet herself but someone else on here had said that she had not wet the bed for a number of years....still any child could have an accident...this is a puzzler since Misty said that she had the shirt on when she went to bed...
this case is so bizarre...the cast of characters gets weirder and weirder as well..

it gives me the creeps to think of when Jon Couey (sp) was stalking Jessica Lunsford, watching her and then crept into the family home and took her from her bed...just creeps me out ....that whole story of Jessica still haunts me...can hardly bear to think of the suffering this little child went through for that pervert's pleasure...He is one person that I could personally put the needle in his arm..after I beat his ass...


Maybe she was put to bed in just panties and the family does not want to state that?  Just a thought.  It's not that weird, to me.  Lots of people sleep in the buff..

just sleeping in panties only is not weird to me at all either...children get very warm when sleeping, so just sleeping in a pair of panties or a diaper is not uncommon..
the weird part that I was referring to is this whole bizarre case...too many inconsistencies...

yes, the cinder blocks, the cinder blocks, still looking for these.  And the John Boat you know LE even used different dogs for searching the air over the river!  Some difference in the dogs between tracking and trailing.  I just think if there was the whole big production of the boat and fishing disposal of the body in the river w/cinder blocks someone would of seen something or known about his boat habits and pointed it out to LE.  It's a long way from the water, in one article Ron's quotes 5 to 8 blocks, so if he drove a van, 5-8 blocks w/boat, than there is all the launching and putting body in the boat, etc, someone would of seen something, right?  Like Scott Peterson?  I say in the woods if he did it or at work are better locations for disposal.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 11:10:22 AM
Interesting comment on LE from someone in Satsuma........(or at least they say they are ::MonkeyWink:: )

Well said grammalu, and if that is the case he got a hearing within a week makes me think who he has in his pocket, I live in Satsuma and Have been dealing with my ex cuz he owes me and been wanting to get a court date, needless to say it has been over a year and still have not heard from child support, I also have a good friend that filed for child support almost a year ago and is still waiting.. I guess having a relative that works in the Police department can get you ahead in certain areas. I don't see the mother having anything to do with her daughter missing not over 4100.00 I am owed 6000.00, the worse they do is take your drivers license away make you file your taxes, maybe do a few days in jail..My oldest is 21 and filed when he was 8yrs. old never got one payment of support from his father and he never showed up for court dates, well last year the state sent his dad a paper saying his debt is swiped clean and he can have his license back. I hear alot of people saying Florida is a women state, but what I have seen in years I have lived in Florida it's for the man then the women.


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3




It wouldn't be fair w/out posting Ron's response to this document here too.

Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, told First Coast News he received a copy of the document about the hearing the day before Haleigh vanished. Cummings appeared frustrated about the timing of the document's arrival and his daughter's disappearance.



That was a RESPONSE to the article about the child support........I think he's trying to get the eyes off of him by saying he's frustrated about the timing etc....he filed the paperwork, so he KNEW this document would be coming down soon....so, what is he alluding too in this stmt........??

Island, he knew that the document would be coming soon, but he DIDN'T KNOW that his daughter would be kidnapped soon as well....

I agree with that~but the document was coming and he knew it........now, as to the kidnapping/abduction EVEN the sheriff stated that he called it that to get more "bang for the buck", and then this week he states "we don't know what the crime is yet", but there was a crime...........also, pplaying devil's advocate. Ronald started the paperwork for the complaint for back child support, then he finds it odd that it appeard the day before she's missing, CS most likely didn't know the when the doc's were filed, be he did, that can be looked at in two different ways.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 11:14:37 AM
Interesting comment on LE from someone in Satsuma........(or at least they say they are ::MonkeyWink:: )

Well said grammalu, and if that is the case he got a hearing within a week makes me think who he has in his pocket, I live in Satsuma and Have been dealing with my ex cuz he owes me and been wanting to get a court date, needless to say it has been over a year and still have not heard from child support, I also have a good friend that filed for child support almost a year ago and is still waiting.. I guess having a relative that works in the Police department can get you ahead in certain areas. I don't see the mother having anything to do with her daughter missing not over 4100.00 I am owed 6000.00, the worse they do is take your drivers license away make you file your taxes, maybe do a few days in jail..My oldest is 21 and filed when he was 8yrs. old never got one payment of support from his father and he never showed up for court dates, well last year the state sent his dad a paper saying his debt is swiped clean and he can have his license back. I hear alot of people saying Florida is a women state, but what I have seen in years I have lived in Florida it's for the man then the women.


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3




It wouldn't be fair w/out posting Ron's response to this document here too.

Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, told First Coast News he received a copy of the document about the hearing the day before Haleigh vanished. Cummings appeared frustrated about the timing of the document's arrival and his daughter's disappearance.



That was a RESPONSE to the article about the child support........I think he's trying to get the eyes off of him by saying he's frustrated about the timing etc....he filed the paperwork, so he KNEW this document would be coming down soon....so, what is he alluding too in this stmt........??

I think you are jumping to a conclusion - I believe the way it is worded HE DID NOT file it - it says the bureau of revenue filed it - perhaps it is something they file. I know in MI the state files a motion for child support when you are on public assistance- and no matter what files a motion to enforce the child support when a person gets so far behind. This is done without the parents even asking. So I would want to see the motion to show cause before I make a call that dad filed it.

So, he's on public assistance????? Where was that reported~I know here in Florida that you have to call the dept of revenue to get them to file on your behalf from personal experience.....they don't have the manpower or time to sit around filing on other's behalf.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 26, 2009, 11:17:38 AM
well, if we are going to look at it from the papers being received, Crystal, who owes the money and has no job, nor any way of paying this money,  would have also received her papers the day before Haleigh disappeared as well...that could be looked at suspiciously as well...more of a motive?
if this was reversed and Ron owed the money, would posters be more of a mind set that that is a reason or motive, since it is the man owing the money, not the woman? Or Chad not wanting to pay the money since the family is already strapped for cash?
I do not think any of these characters are involved with her disappearance...just throwing some junk out there....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 11:17:39 AM
Interesting comment on LE from someone in Satsuma........(or at least they say they are ::MonkeyWink:: )

Well said grammalu, and if that is the case he got a hearing within a week makes me think who he has in his pocket, I live in Satsuma and Have been dealing with my ex cuz he owes me and been wanting to get a court date, needless to say it has been over a year and still have not heard from child support, I also have a good friend that filed for child support almost a year ago and is still waiting.. I guess having a relative that works in the Police department can get you ahead in certain areas. I don't see the mother having anything to do with her daughter missing not over 4100.00 I am owed 6000.00, the worse they do is take your drivers license away make you file your taxes, maybe do a few days in jail..My oldest is 21 and filed when he was 8yrs. old never got one payment of support from his father and he never showed up for court dates, well last year the state sent his dad a paper saying his debt is swiped clean and he can have his license back. I hear alot of people saying Florida is a women state, but what I have seen in years I have lived in Florida it's for the man then the women.


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3




It wouldn't be fair w/out posting Ron's response to this document here too.

Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, told First Coast News he received a copy of the document about the hearing the day before Haleigh vanished. Cummings appeared frustrated about the timing of the document's arrival and his daughter's disappearance.



That was a RESPONSE to the article about the child support........I think he's trying to get the eyes off of him by saying he's frustrated about the timing etc....he filed the paperwork, so he KNEW this document would be coming down soon....so, what is he alluding too in this stmt........??

Island, he knew that the document would be coming soon, but he DIDN'T KNOW that his daughter would be kidnapped soon as well....

I agree with that~but the document was coming and he knew it........now, as to the kidnapping/abduction EVEN the sheriff stated that he called it that to get more "bang for the buck", and then this week he states "we don't know what the crime is yet", but there was a crime...........also, pplaying devil's advocate. Ronald started the paperwork for the complaint for back child support, then he finds it odd that it appeard the day before she's missing, CS most likely didn't know the when the doc's were filed, be he did, that can be looked at in two different ways.

My thought on this is if he is the vindictive little SOB you think he is, why did he even bother with this especially if he knew the document was coming as you state.  I would think he wouldn't want the attention drawn to him at all.  And the "get more bang for your buck" statement is these in reference to Ronald's saying abduction to get more help from the media, FBI and LE in the location of Haleigh?!?  If so I'd so the same.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 11:18:04 AM
I didn't relize he filed this motion the week before Haleigh disappeared.  So sad. 

Court documents show Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, is behind in child support by about $4,100.
A motion was filed by the state's Department of Revenue on Ronald Cummings' behalf against Sheffield for contempt. It was dated February 3rd, a week before Haleigh disappeared. A hearing was set for Sheffield for March 27.
Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, told First Coast News he received a copy of the document about the hearing the day before Haleigh vanished. Cummings appeared frustrated about the timing of the document's arrival and his daughter's disappearance.


And let's go ahead and add this to it.  Now it's all together.

Last week, on February 16th, the state signed a dismissal document which cancelled the child support contempt of court hearing until Haleigh is found. The dismissal document was filed in the Putnam County Clerk of Courts office Tuesday.



Well, that is something that actually makes some since, first priority is too find Haleigh, not a contempt of court charge regarding child support.

It still all goes together:  It shows he does have an interest in Haleigh's welfare and his getting that child support money from Crystal could make alot of difference to the lives of these children.  Just like you yourself tried to correct your support issues so is he.  To me that shows a sign of a caring parent not a dead beat who does not care: someone who takes no action for the welfare of their children imo Crystal.  Besides the in also points to the fact that he was pursuing getting the money the week prior to Haleigh's disappearance which makes me feel that he expected Haleigh to be there the following week alive and well to receive that support money she was due.  That's the way I see and that's all I'll say.

Yes, there is NO DOUBT he needs the $$$$$$$, but she is unemployed and it is very difficult to find a job in this economy, I'll cut her slack on that one due to knowing how many people are being layed off daily from all the economic reports I see daily.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 11:20:53 AM
well, if we are going to look at it from the papers being received, Crystal, who owes the money and has no job, nor any way of paying this money,  would have also received her papers the day before Haleigh disappeared as well...that could be looked at suspiciously as well...more of a motive?
if this was reversed and Ron owed the money, would posters be more of a mind set that that is a reason or motive, since it is the man owing the money, not the woman? Or Chad not wanting to pay the money since the family is already strapped for cash?
I do not think any of these characters are involved with her disappearance...just throwing some junk out there....

Not to me it wouldn't, I don't think back child support is a motive for murder, even if it was Ron.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 26, 2009, 11:21:14 AM
but Island, would you cut ron the same slack if he wasn't paying and didn't have a job? It is just as tough for a man out there to get a job...but kids still have to eat...I am sure that Crystal still eats right?
Chad has a job right? even $25 a week would help in buying groceries...at least make the effort to send something, even if it is $5 or buying some shoes or groceries for the kids...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 26, 2009, 11:22:32 AM
well, if we are going to look at it from the papers being received, Crystal, who owes the money and has no job, nor any way of paying this money,  would have also received her papers the day before Haleigh disappeared as well...that could be looked at suspiciously as well...more of a motive?
if this was reversed and Ron owed the money, would posters be more of a mind set that that is a reason or motive, since it is the man owing the money, not the woman? Or Chad not wanting to pay the money since the family is already strapped for cash?
I do not think any of these characters are involved with her disappearance...just throwing some junk out there....

Not to me it wouldn't, I don't think back child support is a motive for murder, even if it was Ron.

me either...that is why I said that I don't think that any of these main characters are involved...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 11:24:17 AM
Interesting comment on LE from someone in Satsuma........(or at least they say they are ::MonkeyWink:: )

Well said grammalu, and if that is the case he got a hearing within a week makes me think who he has in his pocket, I live in Satsuma and Have been dealing with my ex cuz he owes me and been wanting to get a court date, needless to say it has been over a year and still have not heard from child support, I also have a good friend that filed for child support almost a year ago and is still waiting.. I guess having a relative that works in the Police department can get you ahead in certain areas. I don't see the mother having anything to do with her daughter missing not over 4100.00 I am owed 6000.00, the worse they do is take your drivers license away make you file your taxes, maybe do a few days in jail..My oldest is 21 and filed when he was 8yrs. old never got one payment of support from his father and he never showed up for court dates, well last year the state sent his dad a paper saying his debt is swiped clean and he can have his license back. I hear alot of people saying Florida is a women state, but what I have seen in years I have lived in Florida it's for the man then the women.


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3




It wouldn't be fair w/out posting Ron's response to this document here too.

Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, told First Coast News he received a copy of the document about the hearing the day before Haleigh vanished. Cummings appeared frustrated about the timing of the document's arrival and his daughter's disappearance.



That was a RESPONSE to the article about the child support........I think he's trying to get the eyes off of him by saying he's frustrated about the timing etc....he filed the paperwork, so he KNEW this document would be coming down soon....so, what is he alluding too in this stmt........??

Island, he knew that the document would be coming soon, but he DIDN'T KNOW that his daughter would be kidnapped soon as well....

I agree with that~but the document was coming and he knew it........now, as to the kidnapping/abduction EVEN the sheriff stated that he called it that to get more "bang for the buck", and then this week he states "we don't know what the crime is yet", but there was a crime...........also, pplaying devil's advocate. Ronald started the paperwork for the complaint for back child support, then he finds it odd that it appeard the day before she's missing, CS most likely didn't know the when the doc's were filed, be he did, that can be looked at in two different ways.

My thought on this is if he is the vindictive little SOB you think he is, why did he even bother with this especially if he knew the document was coming as you state.  I would think he wouldn't want the attention drawn to him at all.  And the "get more bang for your buck" statement is these in reference to Ronald's saying abduction  to get more help from the media, FBI and LE in the location of Haleigh?!?  If so I'd so the same.

The SHERIFF made this statement about calling it an "abduction" after the first week, then this week when someone asked what's the hold up on releasiong the creime scene, he stated that there was a crime commited, but he doesn't yet know what that crime was? That leads me two believe he's hedging his bets IYKWIM


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Anna on February 26, 2009, 11:26:29 AM
Greta's blog posted that they are searching using cadaver dogs today.  Very sad.

Said it was not based on anything in particular just routine.  I guess from the number of days Haleigh has been missing this is the next logical step.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 11:29:08 AM
but Island, would you cut ron the same slack if he wasn't paying and didn't have a job? It is just as tough for a man out there to get a job...but kids still have to eat...I am sure that Crystal still eats right?
Chad has a job right? even $25 a week would help in buying groceries...at least make the effort to send something, even if it is $5 or buying some shoes or groceries for the kids...

Yes, I would.....especially now when we are in a recession headed towards even worse. I haven't seen whether or not he pays support to Amber, but if he's hurting bad now, I could cut him some slack. I don't get a dime, and I rely on myself because I have learned that my kids are too important to depend on anyone else even by court order~I step up to the plate and since my ex can't hold a job, I don't bother even wasting my time or effort because it is futile.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 26, 2009, 11:37:09 AM
Good Morning Monkeys ...just trying to catch up and still 4 pages behind. but caught this!!!!
1992-07-28 29 DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY TOM LUKASHOW, ASST PD, ARR ENT PLEA .

Is this the same at. that LA has now?

Hi.

If by "LA" you mean Lee Anthony, no.

Thomas Luka is the attorney representing Lee Anthony.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 26, 2009, 11:44:12 AM
Greta's blog posted that they are searching using cadaver dogs today.  Very sad.

Said it was not based on anything in particular just routine.  I guess from the number of days Haleigh has been missing this is the next logical step.



Yeah, sad, but probably a good move:

SATSUMA, Fla. - Several teams of dogs specially trained to find human remains were to spend Thursday searching the area around the mobile home where 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings disappeared Feb. 10, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office announced.

A canine team from a non-law-enforcement group called Canine South was brought in to conduct the search "to insure that no possibility is overlooked in the search for Haleigh."

Putnam County Capt. Dick Schauland said the search was not prompted by any specific leads, "but as a routine procedure that has proven itself in other missing child cases."

<snipped> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29408187/


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 11:48:49 AM
but Island, would you cut ron the same slack if he wasn't paying and didn't have a job? It is just as tough for a man out there to get a job...but kids still have to eat...I am sure that Crystal still eats right?
Chad has a job right? even $25 a week would help in buying groceries...at least make the effort to send something, even if it is $5 or buying some shoes or groceries for the kids...

Yes, I would.....especially now when we are in a recession headed towards even worse. I haven't seen whether or not he pays support to Amber, but if he's hurting bad now, I could cut him some slack. I don't get a dime, and I rely on myself because I have learned that my kids are too important to depend on anyone else even by court order~I step up to the plate and since my ex can't hold a job, I don't bother even wasting my time or effort because it is futile.

well, if we are going to look at it from the papers being received, Crystal, who owes the money and has no job, nor any way of paying this money,  would have also received her papers the day before Haleigh disappeared as well...that could be looked at suspiciously as well...more of a motive?
if this was reversed and Ron owed the money, would posters be more of a mind set that that is a reason or motive, since it is the man owing the money, not the woman? Or Chad not wanting to pay the money since the family is already strapped for cash?
I do not think any of these characters are involved with her disappearance...just throwing some junk out there....

You know I had this conversation w/another poster on here about it being a man vs woman thing, cause I sure get the impression sometimes.  I don't exclude Ron from this crime, but I will say time and time again he blows me away w/his actions in this whole case if he is the guilty party.  The whole family saga....Crystals & family whine, whine, whine.  Throw rocks and you know what they say about people in glass houses.  Now she leaves one dead beat supposed wife beater for another supposed dead beat child beater so go figure.  I have yet to hear the Cummings family come on and whine about the wonderful Sheffields and that leads me at times to see it as a bitch fest from Bio mom's side.  Which once again leaves me w/little sympathy for her.  And to have people constantly putting angel wings on her and her family just blows me away.  I never once thought Crystal was guilty of this crime even tho there's some issues and motive there that would lead one w/clear head to believe it.  And to totally disregard, Crystals momma's record of a drug house when Crystal was what 11, yeah, she had a well upbringing or any of the other numerous crime reports on her side to include Chad/Stepbrother new guy w/a order for child abuse yet dog every little tid bit of Ron and his family just bewilders me and leads me to believe that yeah some women really do think the man must be the bad guy regardless of the woman's past behavior.
I'm not saying it's not Ron, but damn we can't even look at this logically w/out getting defensive about little miss angel Crystal and her family drama.  Crystal is not at issue w/most.  Sorry for the Rant, Again on this Crystal vs Ronald issue that is never ending.

I've said before I've got wonderful men in my life, Daddy's, uncles, brothers, nephews, cuz's, etc. and to see some of the things picked out about Ron's behavior is just ridiculous to me.  And I see any number of Ron's emotions and actions in these men I know and I just don't find it all odd.


And see that right there....who cares about Amber?  If she has not come forward to get child support from him she's either ok or the paternity is in question, but who cares, do we know how many of these other characters have misc.  children?  Does Chad have 4 more that are going to jump out of the wood work to up his part in the motive game?  As it stands he has 2 and Crystal has 2 that's alot of pay out in my book.  Lets be fair is all I ask.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 26, 2009, 11:50:26 AM
Greta's blog posted that they are searching using cadaver dogs today.  Very sad.

Said it was not based on anything in particular just routine.  I guess from the number of days Haleigh has been missing this is the next logical step.



Yeah, sad, but probably a good move:

SATSUMA, Fla. - Several teams of dogs specially trained to find human remains were to spend Thursday searching the area around the mobile home where 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings disappeared Feb. 10, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office announced.

A canine team from a non-law-enforcement group called Canine South was brought in to conduct the search "to insure that no possibility is overlooked in the search for Haleigh."

Putnam County Capt. Dick Schauland said the search was not prompted by any specific leads, "but as a routine procedure that has proven itself in other missing child cases."

<snipped> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29408187/
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image8-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 11:52:58 AM
Good Morning Monkeys ...just trying to catch up and still 4 pages behind. but caught this!!!!
1992-07-28 29 DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY TOM LUKASHOW, ASST PD, ARR ENT PLEA .

Is this the same at. that LA has now?

Hi.

If by "LA" you mean Lee Anthony, no.

Thomas Luka is the attorney representing Lee Anthony.

the name is darn close tho.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 26, 2009, 11:58:03 AM
fatcat...that is my logic as well...just be fair to both families...ron and crystal...neither is above reproach as it seems...but who is the parent doing the most for the children? Ron...and yet he is the most picked on..I don't get it...

It is sad to see that they are bringing out dogs to try to find her...even if it is routine, it is still upsetting to see...

If Misty was at home all night and she had nothing to do with the disappearance, can you imagine the guilt and agony that will stay with her for the rest of her life? even when Haleigh is found alive, just knowing that she was the last person to have been responsible for her would be so gut wrenching...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 11:59:00 AM
So if we have cadaver dogs they must think close to home and in or around the trailer.  So Ron and Misty together, Misty alone or Ron alone?  Any takers?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 26, 2009, 12:00:14 PM
So if we have cadaver dogs they must think close to home and in or around the trailer.  So Ron and Misty together, Misty alone or Ron alone?  Any takers?


Neither....
where is Misty lately anyway? not staying with ron anymore?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 12:01:59 PM
Well I'm thinking, let's get it done, the sooner we find her the better the evidence and if we don't  than we can still hope she is alive and well somewhere.  Right?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 26, 2009, 12:02:38 PM
Thanks Brandi, I thought they already had dogs out by the home, but maybe not cadaver dogs.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 12:02:51 PM
So if we have cadaver dogs they must think close to home and in or around the trailer.  So Ron and Misty together, Misty alone or Ron alone?  Any takers?


Neither....
where is Misty lately anyway? not staying with ron anymore?

The last article I read she was still in the trailer w/Ron....interesting huh?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: theboyzmom on February 26, 2009, 12:03:40 PM
Interesting comment on LE from someone in Satsuma........(or at least they say they are ::MonkeyWink:: )

Well said grammalu, and if that is the case he got a hearing within a week makes me think who he has in his pocket, I live in Satsuma and Have been dealing with my ex cuz he owes me and been wanting to get a court date, needless to say it has been over a year and still have not heard from child support, I also have a good friend that filed for child support almost a year ago and is still waiting.. I guess having a relative that works in the Police department can get you ahead in certain areas. I don't see the mother having anything to do with her daughter missing not over 4100.00 I am owed 6000.00, the worse they do is take your drivers license away make you file your taxes, maybe do a few days in jail..My oldest is 21 and filed when he was 8yrs. old never got one payment of support from his father and he never showed up for court dates, well last year the state sent his dad a paper saying his debt is swiped clean and he can have his license back. I hear alot of people saying Florida is a women state, but what I have seen in years I have lived in Florida it's for the man then the women.


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3




It wouldn't be fair w/out posting Ron's response to this document here too.

Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, told First Coast News he received a copy of the document about the hearing the day before Haleigh vanished. Cummings appeared frustrated about the timing of the document's arrival and his daughter's disappearance.



That was a RESPONSE to the article about the child support........I think he's trying to get the eyes off of him by saying he's frustrated about the timing etc....he filed the paperwork, so he KNEW this document would be coming down soon....so, what is he alluding too in this stmt........??

I think you are jumping to a conclusion - I believe the way it is worded HE DID NOT file it - it says the bureau of revenue filed it - perhaps it is something they file. I know in MI the state files a motion for child support when you are on public assistance- and no matter what files a motion to enforce the child support when a person gets so far behind. This is done without the parents even asking. So I would want to see the motion to show cause before I make a call that dad filed it.

So, he's on public assistance????? Where was that reported~I know here in Florida that you have to call the dept of revenue to get them to file on your behalf from personal experience.....they don't have the manpower or time to sit around filing on other's behalf.

No no - I did not mean to imply that - but I do know that in Michigan (and the federal gov) will aggressively pursue child support - but especially if you are on PS.  The federal guidelines for getting money for Wic ect requires that the courts of that state go after people that do not pay.

Also, I know that all employers are required to file a notice to the government when we hire new people - including SSn for collecting child support. It would in the old days that weeks or months or years to catch someone that owed support - now about a week after we hire someone we get the child support order.

Also, if Biomom was getting public assistance, the court of the state she is in would have gone after the dad of the new baby - which would have raised a flag in the system that she owned child support.

So - all I am saying is that we are assuming that dad filed the papers - not necessarily true, it could have been out of his hands.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 12:08:02 PM
http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html

Video from the 23rd? showing Misty going into Ron's trailer.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 12:11:57 PM
but Island, would you cut ron the same slack if he wasn't paying and didn't have a job? It is just as tough for a man out there to get a job...but kids still have to eat...I am sure that Crystal still eats right?
Chad has a job right? even $25 a week would help in buying groceries...at least make the effort to send something, even if it is $5 or buying some shoes or groceries for the kids...

Yes, I would.....especially now when we are in a recession headed towards even worse. I haven't seen whether or not he pays support to Amber, but if he's hurting bad now, I could cut him some slack. I don't get a dime, and I rely on myself because I have learned that my kids are too important to depend on anyone else even by court order~I step up to the plate and since my ex can't hold a job, I don't bother even wasting my time or effort because it is futile.

well, if we are going to look at it from the papers being received, Crystal, who owes the money and has no job, nor any way of paying this money,  would have also received her papers the day before Haleigh disappeared as well...that could be looked at suspiciously as well...more of a motive?
if this was reversed and Ron owed the money, would posters be more of a mind set that that is a reason or motive, since it is the man owing the money, not the woman? Or Chad not wanting to pay the money since the family is already strapped for cash?
I do not think any of these characters are involved with her disappearance...just throwing some junk out there....

You know I had this conversation w/another poster on here about it being a man vs woman thing, cause I sure get the impression sometimes.  I don't exclude Ron from this crime, but I will say time and time again he blows me away w/his actions in this whole case if he is the guilty party.  The whole family saga....Crystals & family whine, whine, whine.  Throw rocks and you know what they say about people in glass houses.  Now she leaves one dead beat supposed wife beater for another supposed dead beat child beater so go figure.  I have yet to hear the Cummings family come on and whine about the wonderful Sheffields and that leads me at times to see it as a bitch fest from Bio mom's side.  Which once again leaves me w/little sympathy for her.  And to have people constantly putting angel wings on her and her family just blows me away.  I never once thought Crystal was guilty of this crime even tho there's some issues and motive there that would lead one w/clear head to believe it.  And to totally disregard, Crystals momma's record of a drug house when Crystal was what 11, yeah, she had a well upbringing or any of the other numerous crime reports on her side to include Chad/Stepbrother new guy w/a order for child abuse yet dog every little tid bit of Ron and his family just bewilders me and leads me to believe that yeah some women really do think the man must be the bad guy regardless of the woman's past behavior.
I'm not saying it's not Ron, but damn we can't even look at this logically w/out getting defensive about little miss angel Crystal and her family drama.  Crystal is not at issue w/most.  Sorry for the Rant, Again on this Crystal vs Ronald issue that is never ending.

I've said before I've got wonderful men in my life, Daddy's, uncles, brothers, nephews, cuz's, etc. and to see some of the things picked out about Ron's behavior is just ridiculous to me.  And I see any number of Ron's emotions and actions in these men I know and I just don't find it all odd.


And see that right there....who cares about Amber?  If she has not come forward to get child support from him she's either ok or the paternity is in question, but who cares, do we know how many of these other characters have misc.  children?  Does Chad have 4 more that are going to jump out of the wood work to up his part in the motive game?  As it stands he has 2 and Crystal has 2 that's alot of pay out in my book.  Lets be fair is all I ask.

Sorry FCL~we'll have to agree to disagree. I NEVER said she was an angel, but she IS the only parent without a drug arrest while Ron has a butt load of them, and I only checked 2 coiunties vs 10 for her. I think Crystal got royally screwed in court, the first notice WAS sent to the wrong address and the court admitted such, then she was forthright and honest about using cocaine in the past, while RC lied and said he did once in 1999, hell he'd just been busted in Sarasota for morphine, xanax, violating a restraing order etc., he was also charged with maintaining a drug vehicle aka: dealing from the car. Sorry, you will never change my mind as to how I feel about him and it has nothing to do with whether or not he did anything to Haleigh, it goes to his entire family and their propensity to break the law over and over and over and over again. Not exactly the enviroment kids should be brought up in, teaching them it's ok, because we'll pull some strings and get you out of trouble. He looks drugged to me even now, maybe anxiety meds, but his change from whiny to defiant in an instant appears more like other types of illegal drugs, he fits the pattern of an abuser and at least one judge believed Crystal because there was the restraining order he violated. I just don't think zebra's change their stripes.............to me how is an unfit parent, and negligent in leaving his kids with a nitwit at best and a POI at worst.

Why can't you seem to be fair to Crystal???

BRB~ should be working now anyway.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 12:12:15 PM
Interesting comment on LE from someone in Satsuma........(or at least they say they are ::MonkeyWink:: )

Well said grammalu, and if that is the case he got a hearing within a week makes me think who he has in his pocket, I live in Satsuma and Have been dealing with my ex cuz he owes me and been wanting to get a court date, needless to say it has been over a year and still have not heard from child support, I also have a good friend that filed for child support almost a year ago and is still waiting.. I guess having a relative that works in the Police department can get you ahead in certain areas. I don't see the mother having anything to do with her daughter missing not over 4100.00 I am owed 6000.00, the worse they do is take your drivers license away make you file your taxes, maybe do a few days in jail..My oldest is 21 and filed when he was 8yrs. old never got one payment of support from his father and he never showed up for court dates, well last year the state sent his dad a paper saying his debt is swiped clean and he can have his license back. I hear alot of people saying Florida is a women state, but what I have seen in years I have lived in Florida it's for the man then the women.


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3




It wouldn't be fair w/out posting Ron's response to this document here too.

Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, told First Coast News he received a copy of the document about the hearing the day before Haleigh vanished. Cummings appeared frustrated about the timing of the document's arrival and his daughter's disappearance.



That was a RESPONSE to the article about the child support........I think he's trying to get the eyes off of him by saying he's frustrated about the timing etc....he filed the paperwork, so he KNEW this document would be coming down soon....so, what is he alluding too in this stmt........??

I think you are jumping to a conclusion - I believe the way it is worded HE DID NOT file it - it says the bureau of revenue filed it - perhaps it is something they file. I know in MI the state files a motion for child support when you are on public assistance- and no matter what files a motion to enforce the child support when a person gets so far behind. This is done without the parents even asking. So I would want to see the motion to show cause before I make a call that dad filed it.

So, he's on public assistance????? Where was that reported~I know here in Florida that you have to call the dept of revenue to get them to file on your behalf from personal experience.....they don't have the manpower or time to sit around filing on other's behalf.

No no - I did not mean to imply that - but I do know that in Michigan (and the federal gov) will aggressively pursue child support - but especially if you are on PS.  The federal guidelines for getting money for Wic ect requires that the courts of that state go after people that do not pay.

Also, I know that all employers are required to file a notice to the government when we hire new people - including SSn for collecting child support. It would in the old days that weeks or months or years to catch someone that owed support - now about a week after we hire someone we get the child support order.

Also, if Biomom was getting public assistance, the court of the state she is in would have gone after the dad of the new baby - which would have raised a flag in the system that she owned child support.

So - all I am saying is that we are assuming that dad filed the papers - not necessarily true, it could have been out of his hands.

Sorry for the stack again, I just will say that at my job in DC, if I forget to pay employee's Child support, those letters would go out really fast from the various counties to concerned parties.  I guess it depends on the area and how well they keep the books.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 26, 2009, 12:17:06 PM
Island...Crystals mom is not exactly a model citizen either...none of these family members appear to have clean hands...And just because Crystal does not have a record, does not mean that she is not also involved with unsavory things, just that she didn't/hasn't gotten caught...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 26, 2009, 12:18:29 PM
Island, also by your analogy of Ron being an unfit parent, then Crystal would be as well cause she left the kids with ron and Misty too...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 12:20:55 PM
Island...Crystals mom is not exactly a model citizen either...none of these family members appear to have clean hands...And just because Crystal does not have a record, does not mean that she is not also involved with unsavory things, just that she didn't/hasn't gotten caught...

Totally agree, but same goes for Ron, if we apply the same principles~so, if this is only when he actuallt got caugt, I'd almost be afraid to see what is really out there....also, CS's moms arrest was 12 yrs ago, Rons last one was late 2007, and for drugs late 2005.

Really gotta go now befoer they confiscate my laptop.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 26, 2009, 12:22:37 PM
ok Island...check in later....talk to you soon....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 12:26:28 PM
Island, also by your analogy of Ron being an unfit parent, then Crystal would be as well cause she left the kids with ron and Misty too...


No~she has to return the kids according to the custody agreemnt.

She may very well be unfit, but this didn't happen on her watch, it happened on his.......


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 26, 2009, 12:28:41 PM
Island...you need to get to work... ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
can't help yourself right? I should be doing some stuff around my house and I can't resist peaking in for one more look.... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 26, 2009, 12:29:39 PM
Thanks Brandi, I thought they already had dogs out by the home, but maybe not cadaver dogs.

Yes, they did. Here is the whole article from today:

SATSUMA, FL -- Cadaver dogs and their handlers are back in the woods and fields around the home of Haleigh Cummings, looking for any signs of the little girl.

The five-year-old has been missing since she went to bed on the night of February 9th.

The cadaver dogs are searching the panels under homes in the neighborhood. The dogs are trained to specifically seek out human remains and are part of Canine South, a non-law enforcement group specializing in canine searches.

"Today's search is not in response to leads received from the family or the public, but as a routine procedure that has proven itself in other missing child cases," said Captain Dick Schauland with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office. "This search is being conducted to insure that no possibility is overlooked in the search for Haleigh."

Thursday's ground search is the first major organized effort in some time.

Investigators have been chasing false leads across the First Coast and in Tennessee since shifting the search for Haleigh to more of an investigative approach in the case last week.

The reward for information leading to Haleigh is up to $26,500. Call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS if you have any information. You will remain anonymous and could recieve a cash reward if your information leads to an arrest.

From my notes on Feb. 10 (first day missing) ...
130 personnel from 25 agencies were involved in the search on Tuesday. While divers were scouring the nearby St. Johns River, bloodhounds and cadaver dogs were being used in the neighborhood around the Cummings' home. Officials said that helicopters with infrared sensing equipment would begin scanning the area after dark.

Personally, I have a bad feeling about the river. For some reason.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 26, 2009, 12:30:17 PM
Island, also by your analogy of Ron being an unfit parent, then Crystal would be as well cause she left the kids with ron and Misty too...


No~she has to return the kids according to the custody agreemnt.

She may very well be unfit, but this didn't happen on her watch, it happened on his.......

but maybe if she was the more stable parent, she would have had the children with her and none of this would have happened? could go back and forth on this all day...
 and you really need to get back to work.... ::MonkeyHaHa::
see you soon....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 12:32:03 PM
Sorry FCL~we'll have to agree to disagree. I NEVER said she was an angel, but she IS the only parent without a drug arrest while Ron has a butt load of them, and I only checked 2 coiunties vs 10 for her. I think Crystal got royally screwed in court, the first notice WAS sent to the wrong address and the court admitted such, then she was forthright and honest about using cocaine in the past, while RC lied and said he did once in 1999, hell he'd just been busted in Sarasota for morphine, xanax, violating a restraing order etc., he was also charged with maintaining a drug vehicle aka: dealing from the car. Sorry, you will never change my mind as to how I feel about him and it has nothing to do with whether or not he did anything to Haleigh, it goes to his entire family and their propensity to break the law over and over and over and over again. Not exactly the enviroment kids should be brought up in, teaching them it's ok, because we'll pull some strings and get you out of trouble. He looks drugged to me even now, maybe anxiety meds, but his change from whiny to defiant in an instant appears more like other types of illegal drugs, he fits the pattern of an abuser and at least one judge believed Crystal because there was the restraining order he violated. I just don't think zebra's change their stripes.............to me how is an unfit parent, and negligent in leaving his kids with a nitwit at best and a POI at worst.

Why can't you seem to be fair to Crystal???

BRB~ should be working now anyway.
 
 
I have been totally fair to Crystal and her family, look back thru my posts, they speak for themselves.  You totally forgive her mother's drug charges and all of there propensity to crime also,  I would be far more concerned w/crimes committed by one in their 30-40's than in their 20's.  And what dope is Crystal on in this video and all her lovely pot pic's on her myspace?  No, those are not bamboo in tho's pic's.  Just cause she ain't got caught does not mean it's not there, we are not fools/idiots here, look at the pic's.  And 3 yrs to set things straight, if the judge and court screwed u get a new one and a better lawyer while you are at it.  Excuse after excuse for her is what I see.  Some say where there's sparks there fire, well not all the time, but the proof is in the pudding. So I will say at this point back at ya in regards to fairness for either party.  Agree to disagree. 


23rd B-day pic's note after baby chloe - she's a real fine example of changing her family ways?

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=395122639&albumID=1126398&imageID=12008406

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=395122639&albumID=1126398&imageID=12008359

http://www.myspace.com/crystalsheffield

Rocking Crystal
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5Hl1c7uigA&feature=related


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 26, 2009, 12:35:09 PM
If Haleigh would have been in the river, wouldn't her body have surfaced by now? still, I suppose that would be the most logical place to put a body...

Keep the faith...still hoping and praying that she is alive...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Blaze on February 26, 2009, 12:36:01 PM
Thanks Brandi, I thought they already had dogs out by the home, but maybe not cadaver dogs.

Yes, they did. Here is the whole article from today:

SATSUMA, FL -- Cadaver dogs and their handlers are back in the woods and fields around the home of Haleigh Cummings, looking for any signs of the little girl.

The five-year-old has been missing since she went to bed on the night of February 9th.

The cadaver dogs are searching the panels under homes in the neighborhood. The dogs are trained to specifically seek out human remains and are part of Canine South, a non-law enforcement group specializing in canine searches.

"Today's search is not in response to leads received from the family or the public, but as a routine procedure that has proven itself in other missing child cases," said Captain Dick Schauland with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office. "This search is being conducted to insure that no possibility is overlooked in the search for Haleigh."

Thursday's ground search is the first major organized effort in some time.

Investigators have been chasing false leads across the First Coast and in Tennessee since shifting the search for Haleigh to more of an investigative approach in the case last week.

The reward for information leading to Haleigh is up to $26,500. Call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS if you have any information. You will remain anonymous and could recieve a cash reward if your information leads to an arrest.

From my notes on Feb. 10 (first day missing) ...
130 personnel from 25 agencies were involved in the search on Tuesday. While divers were scouring the nearby St. Johns River, bloodhounds and cadaver dogs were being used in the neighborhood around the Cummings' home. Officials said that helicopters with infrared sensing equipment would begin scanning the area after dark.

Personally, I have a bad feeling about the river. For some reason.




Hi Brandi...I often think about the river too.  It's strange that the child drowned in the river just some years back...and now this?  Makes you wonder what else has happened to this little girl and if it was intentional.
Do you know how long ron and kristy has been together?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 26, 2009, 12:40:14 PM
fatcat...looks like Crystal has herself a party  house....

also, in the video with Greta when she is rocking back and forth, probably from fear of what has happened to Haleigh and nerves...But what I found interesting is that she had not talked to Haleigh in 2 weeks since the visitation...wouldn't you as a mom want to call your children every day? at least to say good night to them or to see how their day went? I talk to my grand daughters every day either by phone or in person...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 12:41:23 PM
Island...Crystals mom is not exactly a model citizen either...none of these family members appear to have clean hands...And just because Crystal does not have a record, does not mean that she is not also involved with unsavory things, just that she didn't/hasn't gotten caught...

Totally agree, but same goes for Ron, if we apply the same principles~so, if this is only when he actuallt got caugt, I'd almost be afraid to see what is really out there....also, CS's moms arrest was 12 yrs ago, Rons last one was late 2007, and for drugs late 2005.

Really gotta go now befoer they confiscate my laptop.

Ah, but as we get older we get wiser and getting caught young either does one of two things, you continue on your merry path with more times getting caught  or you straighten up and as we know DCF has been in that house and work drug tests for heavy equipment operators, yadda yadda, I would tend to think....But I'm sure you discount all this too.

And I only bring up Crystals mom cause you are talking about breaking a cycle of drugs, and I don't see this from Crystal, she still has druggie pic's on her website with her new abuser guy.  So there.  Agree to disagree.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 26, 2009, 12:44:00 PM
Blaze...I think that Ron and Misty have been together around 5 months or maybe a little longer....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 26, 2009, 12:44:27 PM
Thanks Brandi, I thought they already had dogs out by the home, but maybe not cadaver dogs.

Yes, they did. Here is the whole article from today:

SATSUMA, FL -- Cadaver dogs and their handlers are back in the woods and fields around the home of Haleigh Cummings, looking for any signs of the little girl.

The five-year-old has been missing since she went to bed on the night of February 9th.

The cadaver dogs are searching the panels under homes in the neighborhood. The dogs are trained to specifically seek out human remains and are part of Canine South, a non-law enforcement group specializing in canine searches.

"Today's search is not in response to leads received from the family or the public, but as a routine procedure that has proven itself in other missing child cases," said Captain Dick Schauland with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office. "This search is being conducted to insure that no possibility is overlooked in the search for Haleigh."

Thursday's ground search is the first major organized effort in some time.

Investigators have been chasing false leads across the First Coast and in Tennessee since shifting the search for Haleigh to more of an investigative approach in the case last week.

The reward for information leading to Haleigh is up to $26,500. Call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS if you have any information. You will remain anonymous and could recieve a cash reward if your information leads to an arrest.

From my notes on Feb. 10 (first day missing) ...
130 personnel from 25 agencies were involved in the search on Tuesday. While divers were scouring the nearby St. Johns River, bloodhounds and cadaver dogs were being used in the neighborhood around the Cummings' home. Officials said that helicopters with infrared sensing equipment would begin scanning the area after dark.

Personally, I have a bad feeling about the river. For some reason.




Hi Brandi...I often think about the river too.  It's strange that the child drowned in the river just some years back...and now this?  Makes you wonder what else has happened to this little girl and if it was intentional.
Do you know how long ron and kristy has been together?

According to my notes, Misty Croslin has been dating Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, for about five months.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 12:46:52 PM
fatcat...looks like Crystal has herself a party  house....

also, in the video with Greta when she is rocking back and forth, probably from fear of what has happened to Haleigh and nerves...But what I found interesting is that she had not talked to Haleigh in 2 weeks since the visitation...wouldn't you as a mom want to call your children every day? at least to say good night to them or to see how their day went? I talk to my grand daughters every day either by phone or in person...

yes and I think by Ron's mom and grandmom speaking out about visiting and the pic's of them actually there it leads me to believe they do stop by.  my bro's stop at mom's house atleast 2's wk w/grandchildren for visits.

I just don't get Crystal she keeps saying all this crap, but her actions speak otherwise to me.  I by no means feel she's guilty.

This mystery lies either w/Ron or Misty, or together, or stranger/family SO abduction, it's pretty clear to me.  But to keep harping on it, doesn't help my brain flow in trying to figure out what went down that day.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: GabbyG on February 26, 2009, 12:47:39 PM
Hi Monkeys!   :smt039   Does anyone have a link for the You Tube for the sequence with Geraldo when he got in RCs face and RC fired right back at him, the interview that caused Geraldo to be banned from the property/area. It was sometime last week I believe. You Tube is the only thing that will work properly for me. I havent been able to find that particular one although I have had the pleasant experience of watching about 1000 Geraldo interviews regarding the case while searching for it.   ACKKKK 
TIA Hope you all have a great day!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 12:48:26 PM
And I like you have to get some work done before hubby get's home and we got issues here, ha! ha!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Blaze on February 26, 2009, 12:49:56 PM
Blaze...I think that Ron and Misty have been together around 5 months or maybe a little longer....

That's not very long.  I wonder about who Ron was with before Misty..(sorry, for getting her name wrong...I think I called her Kristy..lol)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Blaze on February 26, 2009, 12:52:54 PM
Thanks Brandi, I thought they already had dogs out by the home, but maybe not cadaver dogs.

Yes, they did. Here is the whole article from today:

SATSUMA, FL -- Cadaver dogs and their handlers are back in the woods and fields around the home of Haleigh Cummings, looking for any signs of the little girl.

The five-year-old has been missing since she went to bed on the night of February 9th.

The cadaver dogs are searching the panels under homes in the neighborhood. The dogs are trained to specifically seek out human remains and are part of Canine South, a non-law enforcement group specializing in canine searches.

"Today's search is not in response to leads received from the family or the public, but as a routine procedure that has proven itself in other missing child cases," said Captain Dick Schauland with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office. "This search is being conducted to insure that no possibility is overlooked in the search for Haleigh."

Thursday's ground search is the first major organized effort in some time.

Investigators have been chasing false leads across the First Coast and in Tennessee since shifting the search for Haleigh to more of an investigative approach in the case last week.

The reward for information leading to Haleigh is up to $26,500. Call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS if you have any information. You will remain anonymous and could recieve a cash reward if your information leads to an arrest.

From my notes on Feb. 10 (first day missing) ...
130 personnel from 25 agencies were involved in the search on Tuesday. While divers were scouring the nearby St. Johns River, bloodhounds and cadaver dogs were being used in the neighborhood around the Cummings' home. Officials said that helicopters with infrared sensing equipment would begin scanning the area after dark.

Personally, I have a bad feeling about the river. For some reason.




Hi Brandi...I often think about the river too.  It's strange that the child drowned in the river just some years back...and now this?  Makes you wonder what else has happened to this little girl and if it was intentional.
Do you know how long ron and kristy has been together?

According to my notes, Misty Croslin has been dating Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, for about five months.

God forgive me...but something flags me about Ron's character...he's 24, I think and Misty is 7 months... He probably has a hard time finding someone...I think he has a mean streak.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Blaze on February 26, 2009, 12:55:53 PM
Thanks Brandi, I thought they already had dogs out by the home, but maybe not cadaver dogs.

Yes, they did. Here is the whole article from today:

SATSUMA, FL -- Cadaver dogs and their handlers are back in the woods and fields around the home of Haleigh Cummings, looking for any signs of the little girl.

The five-year-old has been missing since she went to bed on the night of February 9th.

The cadaver dogs are searching the panels under homes in the neighborhood. The dogs are trained to specifically seek out human remains and are part of Canine South, a non-law enforcement group specializing in canine searches.

"Today's search is not in response to leads received from the family or the public, but as a routine procedure that has proven itself in other missing child cases," said Captain Dick Schauland with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office. "This search is being conducted to insure that no possibility is overlooked in the search for Haleigh."

Thursday's ground search is the first major organized effort in some time.

Investigators have been chasing false leads across the First Coast and in Tennessee since shifting the search for Haleigh to more of an investigative approach in the case last week.

The reward for information leading to Haleigh is up to $26,500. Call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS if you have any information. You will remain anonymous and could recieve a cash reward if your information leads to an arrest.

From my notes on Feb. 10 (first day missing) ...
130 personnel from 25 agencies were involved in the search on Tuesday. While divers were scouring the nearby St. Johns River, bloodhounds and cadaver dogs were being used in the neighborhood around the Cummings' home. Officials said that helicopters with infrared sensing equipment would begin scanning the area after dark.

Personally, I have a bad feeling about the river. For some reason.




Hi Brandi...I often think about the river too.  It's strange that the child drowned in the river just some years back...and now this?  Makes you wonder what else has happened to this little girl and if it was intentional.
Do you know how long ron and kristy has been together?

According to my notes, Misty Croslin has been dating Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, for about five months.

God forgive me...but something flags me about Ron's character...he's 24, I think and Misty is 7 months... He probably has a hard time finding someone...I think he has a mean streak.

(self edit) - Gosh darn...I am not doing to good today with my typing..
I meant to say Misty is 17..
Sorry.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 12:58:20 PM
Island..I was going to say that perhaps she had wet herself but someone else on here had said that she had not wet the bed for a number of years....still any child could have an accident...this is a puzzler since Misty said that she had the shirt on when she went to bed...
this case is so bizarre...the cast of characters gets weirder and weirder as well..

it gives me the creeps to think of when Jon Couey (sp) was stalking Jessica Lunsford, watching her and then crept into the family home and took her from her bed...just creeps me out ....that whole story of Jessica still haunts me...can hardly bear to think of the suffering this little child went through for that pervert's pleasure...He is one person that I could personally put the needle in his arm..after I beat his ass...


Maybe she was put to bed in just panties and the family does not want to state that?  Just a thought.  It's not that weird, to me.  Lots of people sleep in the buff..

just sleeping in panties only is not weird to me at all either...children get very warm when sleeping, so just sleeping in a pair of panties or a diaper is not uncommon..
the weird part that I was referring to is this whole bizarre case...too many inconsistencies...

yes, the cinder blocks, the cinder blocks, still looking for these.  And the John Boat you know LE even used different dogs for searching the air over the river!  Some difference in the dogs between tracking and trailing.  I just think if there was the whole big production of the boat and fishing disposal of the body in the river w/cinder blocks someone would of seen something or known about his boat habits and pointed it out to LE.  It's a long way from the water, in one article Ron's quotes 5 to 8 blocks, so if he drove a van, 5-8 blocks w/boat, than there is all the launching and putting body in the boat, etc, someone would of seen something, right?  Like Scott Peterson?  I say in the woods if he did it or at work are better locations for disposal.

I'm bringing this forward now that we are back on topic.  BBL, gotta run and do actual work for a while.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 26, 2009, 01:02:34 PM
http://www.wftv.com/news/18802080/detail.html

Haleigh's Father's Girlfriend Taken In For Questioning
Thursday, February 26, 2009 – updated: 12:20 pm EST February 26, 2009

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News has learned that Misty Croslin, Haleigh's father's girlfriend was the last one to see the 5-year- old. Croslin was taken away for questioning again Thursday morning.

It's been nearly three weeks since the 5-year-old was taken out of her bed in the middle of the night. Deputies said Haleigh was home asleep with her little brother and father's girlfriend when the crime happened.


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VIDEO REPORT: Misty Croslin Questioned
RAW VIDEO: Girlfriend Comments On Cousin
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Meanwhile, seven cadaver dogs and nine officers were sent to search an area surrounding the home of missing five-year-old Haleigh Cummings Thursday. Deputies said the search was being conducted to make sure that nothing is overlooked.

The cadaver dogs and officers searched for human remains. Eyewitness News saw dogs sniffing along the panels underneath mobile homes in case a body was placed underneath.

Investigators believe Haleigh Cummings was taken from her home on Green Lane in Satsuma on February 9. Sheriff Jeff Hardy, as well as everyone involved in the investigation said they continue to hope that Haleigh is found alive and in good health.

Investigators said Thursday's search was not in response to leads received from the family or the public, but as a routine procedure that has proven itself in other missing child cases.

The canine teams are a part of Canine South, a non-law enforcement organization out of South Georgia that specializes in canine searches. The teams consist of cadaver dogs that specifically seek out human remains.

Investigators said more dogs will search the area again Friday.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 01:06:45 PM
Thanks Brandi, I thought they already had dogs out by the home, but maybe not cadaver dogs.

Yes, they did. Here is the whole article from today:

SATSUMA, FL -- Cadaver dogs and their handlers are back in the woods and fields around the home of Haleigh Cummings, looking for any signs of the little girl.

The five-year-old has been missing since she went to bed on the night of February 9th.

The cadaver dogs are searching the panels under homes in the neighborhood. The dogs are trained to specifically seek out human remains and are part of Canine South, a non-law enforcement group specializing in canine searches.

"Today's search is not in response to leads received from the family or the public, but as a routine procedure that has proven itself in other missing child cases," said Captain Dick Schauland with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office. "This search is being conducted to insure that no possibility is overlooked in the search for Haleigh."

Thursday's ground search is the first major organized effort in some time.

Investigators have been chasing false leads across the First Coast and in Tennessee since shifting the search for Haleigh to more of an investigative approach in the case last week.

The reward for information leading to Haleigh is up to $26,500. Call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS if you have any information. You will remain anonymous and could recieve a cash reward if your information leads to an arrest.

From my notes on Feb. 10 (first day missing) ...
130 personnel from 25 agencies were involved in the search on Tuesday. While divers were scouring the nearby St. Johns River, bloodhounds and cadaver dogs were being used in the neighborhood around the Cummings' home. Officials said that helicopters with infrared sensing equipment would begin scanning the area after dark.

Personally, I have a bad feeling about the river. For some reason.




Hi Brandi...I often think about the river too.  It's strange that the child drowned in the river just some years back...and now this?  Makes you wonder what else has happened to this little girl and if it was intentional.
Do you know how long ron and kristy has been together?

According to my notes, Misty Croslin has been dating Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, for about five months.

God forgive me...but something flags me about Ron's character...he's 24, I think and Misty is 7 months... He probably has a hard time finding someone...I think he has a mean streak.

(self edit) - Gosh darn...I am not doing to good today with my typing..
I meant to say Misty is 17..
Sorry.

I do too, I think he picks very young vunerable girls~they are usually easier to control and manipulate, my brother tend to do the same -  I think it's because (my brother) has self esteem issues......


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 01:10:07 PM
http://www.wftv.com/news/18802080/detail.html

Haleigh's Father's Girlfriend Taken In For Questioning
Thursday, February 26, 2009 – updated: 12:20 pm EST February 26, 2009

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News has learned that Misty Croslin, Haleigh's father's girlfriend was the last one to see the 5-year- old. Croslin was taken away for questioning again Thursday morning.

It's been nearly three weeks since the 5-year-old was taken out of her bed in the middle of the night. Deputies said Haleigh was home asleep with her little brother and father's girlfriend when the crime happened.


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VIDEO REPORT: Misty Croslin Questioned
RAW VIDEO: Girlfriend Comments On Cousin
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Meanwhile, seven cadaver dogs and nine officers were sent to search an area surrounding the home of missing five-year-old Haleigh Cummings Thursday. Deputies said the search was being conducted to make sure that nothing is overlooked.

The cadaver dogs and officers searched for human remains. Eyewitness News saw dogs sniffing along the panels underneath mobile homes in case a body was placed underneath.

Investigators believe Haleigh Cummings was taken from her home on Green Lane in Satsuma on February 9. Sheriff Jeff Hardy, as well as everyone involved in the investigation said they continue to hope that Haleigh is found alive and in good health.

Investigators said Thursday's search was not in response to leads received from the family or the public, but as a routine procedure that has proven itself in other missing child cases.

The canine teams are a part of Canine South, a non-law enforcement organization out of South Georgia that specializes in canine searches. The teams consist of cadaver dogs that specifically seek out human remains.

Investigators said more dogs will search the area again Friday.

How many times does this make ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 26, 2009, 01:11:36 PM
then do the famous "cougars" pick younger men cause they are easier to manipulate?
I thought that it was because of their "energy"... ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: flamom on February 26, 2009, 01:23:53 PM
Island...Crystals mom is not exactly a model citizen either...none of these family members appear to have clean hands...And just because Crystal does not have a record, does not mean that she is not also involved with unsavory things, just that she didn't/hasn't gotten caught...
I agree with you cookie.. you have 2 families here, both with what seems to be nominal education, on the lower end of the salary scale who may have at times subsidized their incomes in illegal activities. There are still rough feelings on both sides, and they are tossing grenades and rather than put the kids first and their own feelings aside and are using this tragedy to try and marginalize the other parent.. the kids always suffer. Neither parent is a role model, but when all is said and done, my guess is Misty snuck out, left the door open and some freakin wierdo snuck in and took Haleigh.. IMO Misty didnt want to admit she wasnt there and the guilt and fear for her must be a terrible burden...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 01:31:25 PM
http://www.wftv.com/news/18802080/detail.html

Haleigh's Father's Girlfriend Taken In For Questioning
Thursday, February 26, 2009 – updated: 12:20 pm EST February 26, 2009

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News has learned that Misty Croslin, Haleigh's father's girlfriend was the last one to see the 5-year- old. Croslin was taken away for questioning again Thursday morning.

It's been nearly three weeks since the 5-year-old was taken out of her bed in the middle of the night. Deputies said Haleigh was home asleep with her little brother and father's girlfriend when the crime happened.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
VIDEO REPORT: Misty Croslin Questioned
RAW VIDEO: Girlfriend Comments On Cousin
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Meanwhile, seven cadaver dogs and nine officers were sent to search an area surrounding the home of missing five-year-old Haleigh Cummings Thursday. Deputies said the search was being conducted to make sure that nothing is overlooked.

The cadaver dogs and officers searched for human remains. Eyewitness News saw dogs sniffing along the panels underneath mobile homes in case a body was placed underneath.

Investigators believe Haleigh Cummings was taken from her home on Green Lane in Satsuma on February 9. Sheriff Jeff Hardy, as well as everyone involved in the investigation said they continue to hope that Haleigh is found alive and in good health.

Investigators said Thursday's search was not in response to leads received from the family or the public, but as a routine procedure that has proven itself in other missing child cases.

The canine teams are a part of Canine South, a non-law enforcement organization out of South Georgia that specializes in canine searches. The teams consist of cadaver dogs that specifically seek out human remains.

Investigators said more dogs will search the area again Friday.

I wondered the other day if this note that Ron handed over was a timeline or notes on Misty to see if it was what fit w/LE's statements from Misty, since she can't get her story straight.  Or do you think LE is calling Misty in so many times to get the goods on Ron?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 26, 2009, 01:37:22 PM
http://www.wftv.com/news/18802080/detail.html

Haleigh's Father's Girlfriend Taken In For Questioning
Thursday, February 26, 2009 – updated: 12:20 pm EST February 26, 2009

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News has learned that Misty Croslin, Haleigh's father's girlfriend was the last one to see the 5-year- old. Croslin was taken away for questioning again Thursday morning.

It's been nearly three weeks since the 5-year-old was taken out of her bed in the middle of the night. Deputies said Haleigh was home asleep with her little brother and father's girlfriend when the crime happened.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
VIDEO REPORT: Misty Croslin Questioned
RAW VIDEO: Girlfriend Comments On Cousin
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Meanwhile, seven cadaver dogs and nine officers were sent to search an area surrounding the home of missing five-year-old Haleigh Cummings Thursday. Deputies said the search was being conducted to make sure that nothing is overlooked.

The cadaver dogs and officers searched for human remains. Eyewitness News saw dogs sniffing along the panels underneath mobile homes in case a body was placed underneath.

Investigators believe Haleigh Cummings was taken from her home on Green Lane in Satsuma on February 9. Sheriff Jeff Hardy, as well as everyone involved in the investigation said they continue to hope that Haleigh is found alive and in good health.

Investigators said Thursday's search was not in response to leads received from the family or the public, but as a routine procedure that has proven itself in other missing child cases.

The canine teams are a part of Canine South, a non-law enforcement organization out of South Georgia that specializes in canine searches. The teams consist of cadaver dogs that specifically seek out human remains.

Investigators said more dogs will search the area again Friday.

I wondered the other day if this note that Ron handed over was a timeline or notes on Misty to see if it was what fit w/LE's statements from Misty, since she can't get her story straight.  Or do you think LE is calling Misty in so many times to get the goods on Ron?

I don't have any ideas what the note might be.

But I believe they have called Ron in quite a few times too. Not just Misty.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: flamom on February 26, 2009, 01:47:24 PM
They are still holding the mobile home as a crime scene.. I wonder if they found any black light evidence.. ugh.. that sounds so wrong considering she was a 5 yr old , almost still a baby  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 26, 2009, 01:48:57 PM
Island...Crystals mom is not exactly a model citizen either...none of these family members appear to have clean hands...And just because Crystal does not have a record, does not mean that she is not also involved with unsavory things, just that she didn't/hasn't gotten caught...
I agree with you cookie.. you have 2 families here, both with what seems to be nominal education, on the lower end of the salary scale who may have at times subsidized their incomes in illegal activities. There are still rough feelings on both sides, and they are tossing grenades and rather than put the kids first and their own feelings aside and are using this tragedy to try and marginalize the other parent.. the kids always suffer. Neither parent is a role model, but when all is said and done, my guess is Misty snuck out, left the door open and some freakin wierdo snuck in and took Haleigh.. IMO Misty didnt want to admit she wasnt there and the guilt and fear for her must be a terrible burden...

my thoughts as well...sad to say....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 01:57:00 PM
Oh lo.. this is from like 4 pages back, but I can't find an edit feature and "boy howdy" the likes of me sure needs one. Side note (as a preface,) one witty poster said that she (he?) can't "type for beans." **snort** Well me too. But apparently I have it far worse in that I suffer from a severe homophone problem that needs to be addressed ASAP.

I meant to type - and said in my head  - "close-KNIT," as in boound together by social and cultural ties. My fingers however, decided to type, "close nit," as in the egg or young of parasitic insects such as lice. (Or alternately,  "nit" as in "minor short coming.")

My apologies all. Altho if one wanted to get unduly mean and snarky, the "nit" without the "k" could actually...... no.... no.. I'm not gonna go there.  ::MonkeyCool::   Anyway, spellcheck doesn't fix my problem b/c in this instance, oddly, I spelled the WRONG word correctly. BWAH!

[/rant] . . ::MonkeyLaugh::





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 01:58:58 PM
They are still holding the mobile home as a crime scene.. I wonder if they found any black light evidence.. ugh.. that sounds so wrong considering she was a 5 yr old , almost still a baby  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Just me but I feel like if LE found any serious evidence so far they would of arrested them both.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 02:05:39 PM


My point was that WHY WAS SHE GETTING PG AGAIN when she had other children to support? I know pg can be hard - I was off work for one of mine - but I also had my bills getting paid by my husband and no child support to pay. I always think it is irresponsible to get pg with another one when you can not pay for the first.


SO MUCH WORD to that.

But if asked I'll guess that she'd say that it was unplanned, which is not impossible; but there are some really effective birth control methods out there. Jus sayin.

And then we'd get into a whole prolife anti abortion thing, and I'm not sure we want to go down that road. But I hear what you're saying. A quick aside, I cant help but think of that uber annoying Elisabeth Hasselbeck of the infamous "View" show. IMO, she's not "pro life" so much as she's "pro birth." B/c after you're born, regardless of what terrible thing befalls you that's out of your control, tough noogs; you're on your own in her version of the world. But EH is not exactly known for her compassion.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 26, 2009, 02:08:17 PM
They are still holding the mobile home as a crime scene.. I wonder if they found any black light evidence.. ugh.. that sounds so wrong considering she was a 5 yr old , almost still a baby  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Just me but I feel like if LE found any serious evidence so far they would of arrested them both.

got any housework done yet FC?
this is so damn addicting!
I sure don't know what to make of the holding of the home...
Ron's mom said that he wouldn't go back in there anyway without Haleigh...I think that I would feel the same way...I wouldn;t be able to bear looking at her clothes, her toys and where she slept...but yet I would want the last thing that she had on close to me so that I could smell her scent on it....I could just cry for this little child and for every child who is taken against their will....She should be going to school with her class, playing outside with jr. and riding her bike and just being the sweet little child that she is...my heart breaks....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 02:17:26 PM
I thought I'd bring this observation over from someone who claims to have been down to Satsuma recently.

I was in Satsuma yesterday and the first tent I saw was bio-mom's. She was not there and it had a party atmosphere. I asked where RC's tent was and I was directed down the street which was about a 5 min walk. RC's grandmother and TN were there and RC was sleeping. I spoke with TN for about 30 mins and during that time RC did come out for a moment and said hi and went back inside. I gave TN a donation for RC and Jr. He was so sad looking. He looks like he has lost so much weight since I saw him on the 13th.
It was a somber feeling.

I walked back to my car, which was parked near bio-mom's tent, and she was there with more people and she was on the phone walking around so I did not want to interrupt her..........there was a lot more people there and the "Party" atmosphere was greater...a lot of laughing, etc.

I know people act different I am just reporting what I observed and am not judging anyone.

(bolding by me) I know that came from someone else on the scene, not you, Fatcatlurker; Wow, the person giving the description sort of sounds to me like they are "judging." To call something a "party" atmosphere conveys happpiness and celebration. The connotation itself is judgmental IMO. Crystal may not be Mary Poppins or mommy of the year, but I truly doubt that she's celebrating.

She had been briefly hospitalized earlier for (they reported) dehydration. Too much crying, not enough water, sleeping, eating, etc.  So whatever she and Ron do to keep themselves going  - and as long as it hurts no one else -  seems to me like the right thing to do... whatever that is. I mean if they're forced by onlookers into a contest of who is more pathetic, that can't end well and they have other kids who need them.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: cookie on February 26, 2009, 02:24:11 PM
Rana...agreed...I think that all of them are suffering horribly...


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 02:28:20 PM
It wouldn't be fair w/out posting Ron's response to this document here too.

Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, told First Coast News he received a copy of the document about the hearing the day before Haleigh vanished. Cummings appeared frustrated about the timing of the document's arrival and his daughter's disappearance.

That was a RESPONSE to the article about the child support........I think he's trying to get the eyes off of him by saying he's frustrated about the timing etc....he filed the paperwork, so he KNEW this document would be coming down soon....so, what is he alluding too in this stmt........??

I know right? What could he possibly mean? What are the logical options? Surely he's not suggesting that due to the timing this implicates Crsytal and that she would commit such a horror and put their daughter through that, as well as both families, local LE, FBI, Equisearch et al, and the whole country who's looking for Haleigh sightings for $4100 which would still be owed anyway in arrears. Yikes.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pharlap on February 26, 2009, 02:40:49 PM
I thought I'd bring this observation over from someone who claims to have been down to Satsuma recently.

I was in Satsuma yesterday and the first tent I saw was bio-mom's. She was not there and it had a party atmosphere. I asked where RC's tent was and I was directed down the street which was about a 5 min walk. RC's grandmother and TN were there and RC was sleeping. I spoke with TN for about 30 mins and during that time RC did come out for a moment and said hi and went back inside. I gave TN a donation for RC and Jr. He was so sad looking. He looks like he has lost so much weight since I saw him on the 13th.
It was a somber feeling.

I walked back to my car, which was parked near bio-mom's tent, and she was there with more people and she was on the phone walking around so I did not want to interrupt her..........there was a lot more people there and the "Party" atmosphere was greater...a lot of laughing, etc.

I know people act different I am just reporting what I observed and am not judging anyone.

(bolding by me) I know that came from someone else on the scene, not you, Fatcatlurker; Wow, the person giving the description sort of sounds to me like they are "judging." To call something a "party" atmosphere conveys happpiness and celebration. The connotation itself is judgmental IMO. Crystal may not be Mary Poppins or mommy of the year, but I truly doubt that she's celebrating.

She had been briefly hospitalized earlier for (they reported) dehydration. Too much crying, not enough water, sleeping, eating, etc.  So whatever she and Ron do to keep themselves going  - and as long as it hurts no one else -  seems to me like the right thing to do... whatever that is. I mean if they're forced by onlookers into a contest of who is more pathetic, that can't end well and they have other kids who need them.


Well doesn't sound right to be thou.
I keep going back to the bio-mom, she had the most to gain if Haleigh went missing...........JMO
 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 02:43:05 PM
I didn't relize he filed this motion the week before Haleigh disappeared.  So sad. 

Court documents show Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, is behind in child support by about $4,100.
A motion was filed by the state's Department of Revenue on Ronald Cummings' behalf against Sheffield for contempt. It was dated February 3rd, a week before Haleigh disappeared. A hearing was set for Sheffield for March 27.
Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, told First Coast News he received a copy of the document about the hearing the day before Haleigh vanished. Cummings appeared frustrated about the timing of the document's arrival and his daughter's disappearance.


And let's go ahead and add this to it.  Now it's all together.

Last week, on February 16th, the state signed a dismissal document which cancelled the child support contempt of court hearing until Haleigh is found. The dismissal document was filed in the Putnam County Clerk of Courts office Tuesday.



Well, that is something that actually makes some since, first priority is too find Haleigh, not a contempt of court charge regarding child support.

It still all goes together:  It shows he does have an interest in Haleigh's welfare and his getting that child support money from Crystal could make alot of difference to the lives of these children.  Just like you yourself tried to correct your support issues so is he.  To me that shows a sign of a caring parent not a dead beat who does not care: someone who takes no action for the welfare of their children imo Crystal.  Besides the in also points to the fact that he was pursuing getting the money the week prior to Haleigh's disappearance which makes me feel that he expected Haleigh to be there the following week alive and well to receive that support money she was due.  That's the way I see and that's all I'll say.

I see your point, but I guess we have different ideas of what "dead beat" is. To me if a parent is healthy enough and in a condition to work and is working and simply choosing not to pay child support - that is dead beat to me. Being physically unable to work and then being unemployed for a period when the whole economy is knownto be in dire straits is different IMO. Also IIRC her payments were around $335 (?) a month so if $4100 accrued, that comes to just over of 12 months ($4020 using the $335 a month figure) that she didn't pay; and IIRC she was pregnant for 40 weeks of that time and not working which means she was paying during the period when she was working or the amount  would be far higher than $4100 unless I missed something.


 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 02:50:45 PM
i see the cadaver dogs have been brought in for a search. i wonder how big of an area they cover and how many times they will expand it if they get no new viable leads.

this is just so depressing, i pray for a positive outcome.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 02:58:26 PM
I didn't relize he filed this motion the week before Haleigh disappeared.  So sad. 

Court documents show Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, is behind in child support by about $4,100.
A motion was filed by the state's Department of Revenue on Ronald Cummings' behalf against Sheffield for contempt. It was dated February 3rd, a week before Haleigh disappeared. A hearing was set for Sheffield for March 27.
Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, told First Coast News he received a copy of the document about the hearing the day before Haleigh vanished. Cummings appeared frustrated about the timing of the document's arrival and his daughter's disappearance.


And let's go ahead and add this to it.  Now it's all together.

Last week, on February 16th, the state signed a dismissal document which cancelled the child support contempt of court hearing until Haleigh is found. The dismissal document was filed in the Putnam County Clerk of Courts office Tuesday.



Well, that is something that actually makes some since, first priority is too find Haleigh, not a contempt of court charge regarding child support.

It still all goes together:  It shows he does have an interest in Haleigh's welfare and his getting that child support money from Crystal could make alot of difference to the lives of these children.  Just like you yourself tried to correct your support issues so is he.  To me that shows a sign of a caring parent not a dead beat who does not care: someone who takes no action for the welfare of their children imo Crystal.  Besides the in also points to the fact that he was pursuing getting the money the week prior to Haleigh's disappearance which makes me feel that he expected Haleigh to be there the following week alive and well to receive that support money she was due.  That's the way I see and that's all I'll say.

I see your point, but I guess we have different ideas of what "dead beat" is. To me if a parent is healthy enough and in a condition to work and is working and simply choosing not to pay child support - that is dead beat to me. Being physically unable to work and then being unemployed for a period when the whole economy is knownto be in dire straits is different IMO. Also IIRC her payments were around $335 (?) a month so if $4100 accrued, that comes to just over of 12 months ($4020 using the $335 a month figure) that she didn't pay; and IIRC she was pregnant for 40 weeks of that time and not working which means she was paying during the period when she was working or the amount  would be far higher than $4100 unless I missed something.


 

That looks right, except I think I read where it had penalties, so it may not have been even the entire 12 months, but anyont who thinks finding a job is easy needs to read all the financial reports. For instance this was released today and non-farm payrolls are due out next Friday and the estimates are negative 680m ::MonkeyEek::



New Jobless Claims Climbs Higher Than Expected to 667K
The Labor Department said Thursday that first-time requests for unemployment benefits jumped to 667,000 from the previous week's figure of 631,000. 

FOXNews.com

Thursday, February 26, 2009


 New jobless claims rose more than expected last week and the number of Americans continuing to receive unemployment benefits has topped 5.1 million, fresh evidence the recession is increasingly forcing employers to shed jobs.The Labor Department said Thursday that first-time requests for unemployment benefits jumped to 667,000 from the previous week's figure of 631,000. Analysts had expected a slight drop in claims.

The 667,000 new claims are the most since October 1982, though the labor force has grown by about half since then. The four-week average of initial claims, which smooths out fluctuations, rose to 639,000, the highest in more than 26 years.

JPMorgan Chase & Co. added to the bad news Thursday, saying that it would eliminate about 12,000 jobs as it folds in the operations of failed savings and loan Washington Mutual Inc. In December, the bank said it would cut a total of 9,200 jobs related to the WaMu deal. The 12,000 figure includes 2,800 jobs expected to be lost through attrition.

Separately, U.S. manufacturers saw orders for big-ticket goods plunge by a larger-than-expected 5.2 percent in January as global economic troubles cut demand from customers at home and abroad.

The latest report on U.S. factory activity, released by the Commerce Department, showed orders falling for a record sixth straight month. The previous record of four months came in 1992.

And new home sales tumbled 10.2 percent to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 309,000 last month, the worst showing on government records going back to 1963.

The median sales price fell to $201,100 in January, a record 9.9 percent drop from the previous month. The median price is the midpoint, where half sell for more and half for less. But even lower prices and low mortgage rates haven't ended the housing market slump.

All told, it points to more dismal news for an economy stuck in a negative cycle, where consumers scale back purchases as jobs vanish, home prices drop and stock portfolios shrink. Those factors fuel more job cuts by profit-starved businesses.

Companies are "becoming extremely cautious and ... shelving their capital spending plans and working with the minimal possible work force," said Zach Pandl, an economist at Nomura Securities International.

Nigel Gault, chief U.S. economist at the IHS Global Insight consulting firm, said: "We have been looking for signs that the economy's rate of decline might be slowing, but can't find any."

The stock markets were mixed after earlier posting gains on hopes the Obama administration is setting aside up to $750 billion to aid the U.S. financial services industry. The Dow Jones industrial average added about 5 points, while the Standard & Poor's 500 index and the Nasdaq composite index slid a bit in afternoon trading.

Meanwhile, the number of people receiving unemployment insurance for more than one week also increased more than expected to 5.1 million. That's the fifth straight week the figure has set a new record-high on data going back to 1967, and compared with only about 2.8 million people a year ago.

As a proportion of the work force, the number of people continuing to receive benefits has reached its highest point since July 1983.

An additional 1.4 million people were receiving benefits under an extended unemployment compensation program approved by Congress last year, as of Feb. 7, the latest data available. That brings the total number of jobless benefit recipients to roughly 6.5 million.

The increase in continuing claims is an indication that many newly laid off workers are having difficulty finding jobs.

Economists consider jobless claims a timely, if volatile, indicator of the health of the labor markets and broader economy. A year ago, initial claims stood at about 359,000.

The labor market has deteriorated rapidly in recent months. Employers cut a net total of nearly 600,000 jobs in January, the highest monthly tally since 1974, sending the unemployment rate to 7.6 percent. Many economists expect the rate to reach 9 percent by the end of this year, even with the passage of President Barack Obama's $787 billion stimulus package.

More job losses were announced this week. The NFL said Wednesday that commissioner Roger Goodell has taken a 20 percent pay cut and the league dropped 169 jobs through buyouts, layoffs and other reductions. Spartanburg, S.C.-based textile maker Milliken & Co. said it would cut 650 jobs at facilities worldwide, while jeweler Zale Corp. said it will close 115 stores and eliminate 245 positions.

On Monday, troubled flash memory maker Spansion Inc. said it will lay off about 3,000 employees and computer chip maker Micron Technology Inc. announced it will slash as many as 2,000 workers by the end of August.

Among the states, New Jersey had the biggest increase in jobless claims for the week ending Feb. 14, a jump of 2,093 that it attributed to layoffs in the service, transportation and manufacturing industries. The next largest increases were in Virginia, Rhode Island, Vermont and South Dakota.

California saw the largest drop in claims, a decline of 16,550, which it attributed to fewer layoffs in service industries. Drops of 4,000 or more also were reported in Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Illinois and New York


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 03:05:44 PM
but Island, would you cut ron the same slack if he wasn't paying and didn't have a job? It is just as tough for a man out there to get a job...but kids still have to eat...I am sure that Crystal still eats right?
Chad has a job right? even $25 a week would help in buying groceries...at least make the effort to send something, even if it is $5 or buying some shoes or groceries for the kids...

Not intending to sound blaming - just making an observation. If Crystal had managed somehow to meet her obligations of child support and paid those months that she missed, Ron would have had extra money to spend on child care - IOW someone who would be paid to be there i e being paid means staying awake b/c it's your job.

Not blaming Misty either for sleeping b/c she had been placed - (or had placed herself in) - (and Ron allowed it or encouraged it) - in psuedo-mommy role; But surely Ron would have taken that extra money and put it toward child care 3 nights a week when he's at work for 12 hour night shifts. Someone who is paid to be awake (like nurses who work 11 to 7 etc)  would have been up and possibly could have called for help, seen something concrete and helpful, or shot the intruder, or whatever one does when an intruder comes in.... and one is awake to deal with it.... bc you're paid to be.

Not intending to sound blaming - just sayin that had Ron been paid the child support, he could have put that money toward night child care rather than have Misty do it for free; She is less than ideal (particulary if she wasn't there) (but we don't know that.) All we know is that she was asleep. Again, can't fault her for merely being a deep sleeper if that's what happened.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: NM on February 26, 2009, 03:07:09 PM
Hi Monkeys!   :smt039   Does anyone have a link for the You Tube for the sequence with Geraldo when he got in RCs face and RC fired right back at him, the interview that caused Geraldo to be banned from the property/area. It was sometime last week I believe. You Tube is the only thing that will work properly for me. I havent been able to find that particular one although I have had the pleasant experience of watching about 1000 Geraldo interviews regarding the case while searching for it.   ACKKKK 
TIA Hope you all have a great day!
Hi GabbyG,
I think this is it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_xDcKBGXb8


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 03:08:25 PM
i see the cadaver dogs have been brought in for a search. i wonder how big of an area they cover and how many times they will expand it if they get no new viable leads.

this is just so depressing, i pray for a positive outcome.

I heard that a dozen more would be there tomorrow if nothing is found today...odd woding in that one....

It is very depressing and sad, such a beautiful child and so young....I pray for a good outcome, but prepare for the worst case scenario ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 03:08:47 PM
Wyks I agree I enjoy reading the forensic astrology threads on WS also, that's about all I like to read over there. It is always interesting, and this is coming from someone who knows nothing about astrology. ::MonkeyEek::

I didn't know anything about astrology either, until reading over there.  It used to look like a bunch of little symbols, couldn't make head nor tails out of a chart.  I like their explanations of what they've found in the charts, that helps us learn.   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 03:10:20 PM
http://www.wesh.com/news/18801629/detail.html

Cadaver dogs article.

Sheriff's Office Launches K-9 Search For Missing Girl
POSTED: 11:04 am EST February 26, 2009
UPDATED: 1:24 pm EST February 26, 2009


PALATKA, Fla. -- The Putnam County Sheriff's Office sent out several K-9 search teams Thursday morning to look for Haleigh Cummings.

Haleigh, 5, has been missing from her Palatka home since Feb. 10.

According to a news release issued by Capt. Dick Schauland, "The search is being conducted to insure that no possibility is overlooked in the search for Haleigh."



Searchers resumed looking for Haleigh Cummings on Thursday morning, using dogs in woods near her home. More
 
 

The search, which Schauland described as routine, consists of several K-9 search teams from a non-law enforcement organization, Canine South. The dogs are trained specifically to seek human remains.

"Again, this search is not in response to information received, but rather as a proven protocol from other missing person cases," Schauland said in the news release.
Copyright 2009 by WESH.COM. All rights reserved


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 03:12:37 PM
Wyks I agree I enjoy reading the forensic astrology threads on WS also, that's about all I like to read over there. It is always interesting, and this is coming from someone who knows nothing about astrology. ::MonkeyEek::

I didn't know anything about astrology either, until reading over there.  It used to look like a bunch of little symbols, couldn't make head nor tails out of a chart.  I like their explanations of what they've found in the charts, that helps us learn.   ::MonkeyWink::



I'd be curious as I'm clueless as to those charts myself.......what do they say they mean in regards to this case?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 03:13:05 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/18802229/index.html

Cadaver dog video


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 03:14:28 PM
well, if we are going to look at it from the papers being received, Crystal, who owes the money and has no job, nor any way of paying this money,  would have also received her papers the day before Haleigh disappeared as well...that could be looked at suspiciously as well...more of a motive?
if this was reversed and Ron owed the money, would posters be more of a mind set that that is a reason or motive, since it is the man owing the money, not the woman? Or Chad not wanting to pay the money since the family is already strapped for cash?
I do not think any of these characters are involved with her disappearance...just throwing some junk out there....

that's one of my theories, cookie.  sure does seem to me to be a huge motive.  from the start, my hinky meter has been up with misty and with chad griffis, perhaps acting on behalf of crystal, the bio mom.  gosh, there's SO many different possibilities with this case, it's mind-boggling!! 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 03:17:08 PM
Island, also by your analogy of Ron being an unfit parent, then Crystal would be as well cause she left the kids with ron and Misty too...


If the court ordered her to do so, what were her viable, attainable options then? And if there were do-able options, did she have the means to execute them? Not arguing just trying to understand the point. .  ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: theboyzmom on February 26, 2009, 03:17:45 PM


My point was that WHY WAS SHE GETTING PG AGAIN when she had other children to support? I know pg can be hard - I was off work for one of mine - but I also had my bills getting paid by my husband and no child support to pay. I always think it is irresponsible to get pg with another one when you can not pay for the first.


SO MUCH WORD to that.

But if asked I'll guess that she'd say that it was unplanned, which is not impossible; but there are some really effective birth control methods out there. Jus sayin.

And then we'd get into a whole prolife anti abortion thing, and I'm not sure we want to go down that road. But I hear what you're saying. A quick aside, I cant help but think of that uber annoying Elisabeth Hasselbeck of the infamous "View" show. IMO, she's not "pro life" so much as she's "pro birth." B/c after you're born, regardless of what terrible thing befalls you that's out of your control, tough noogs; you're on your own in her version of the world. But EH is not exactly known for her compassion.



personally, I am pro life but i do not think it matters in this case. Not only are there very good methods of BC out there but there is adoption. Also, if I recall correctly, the leading cause of pg is sex - and the safest way to avoid pg is sex. When you are not in the position of being able to support a kid and are not married, is sex a good idea? My thought is no. But then again I am a bit of a stick in the mud - just ask my 16 year old . .   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 03:18:11 PM
i see the cadaver dogs have been brought in for a search. i wonder how big of an area they cover and how many times they will expand it if they get no new viable leads.

this is just so depressing, i pray for a positive outcome.

I heard that a dozen more would be there tomorrow if nothing is found today...odd woding in that one....

It is very depressing and sad, such a beautiful child and so young....I pray for a good outcome, but prepare for the worst case scenario ::MonkeyNoNo::


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youre right, we should definitely be prepared for the worst as much as we dont want to be. it sounds so odd to say im glad to hear they will be back with even more doggies(who do amazing work!) to be as thorough as possible.

i think we all just want her found no matter what.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 03:18:17 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132277&catid=3

Detectives Want DNA from Haleigh's Mother  eeekkk!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pharlap on February 26, 2009, 03:19:11 PM
Did I hear right, the cummings are still living in a tent?
I thought someone sent a trailer down (that I did see myself) for them to use.

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 03:19:56 PM


My point was that WHY WAS SHE GETTING PG AGAIN when she had other children to support? I know pg can be hard - I was off work for one of mine - but I also had my bills getting paid by my husband and no child support to pay. I always think it is irresponsible to get pg with another one when you can not pay for the first.


SO MUCH WORD to that.

But if asked I'll guess that she'd say that it was unplanned, which is not impossible; but there are some really effective birth control methods out there. Jus sayin.

And then we'd get into a whole prolife anti abortion thing, and I'm not sure we want to go down that road. But I hear what you're saying. A quick aside, I cant help but think of that uber annoying Elisabeth Hasselbeck of the infamous "View" show. IMO, she's not "pro life" so much as she's "pro birth." B/c after you're born, regardless of what terrible thing befalls you that's out of your control, tough noogs; you're on your own in her version of the world. But EH is not exactly known for her compassion.



personally, I am pro life but i do not think it matters in this case. Not only are there very good methods of BC out there but there is adoption. Also, if I recall correctly, the leading cause of pg is sex - and the safest way to avoid pg is sex. When you are not in the position of being able to support a kid and are not married, is sex a good idea? My thought is no. But then again I am a bit of a stick in the mud - just ask my 16 year old . .   ::MonkeyWink::

But it's too much fun!!!  Too bad you have to wait till your older to really get that!! Darn where did my nice hot body go... and his beautiful muscles...waaaaaa!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 03:23:25 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132277&catid=3

Detectives Want DNA from Haleigh's Mother  eeekkk!

whoa, and they want it fast...theyre not waiting, theyre tracking her down!



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 03:24:01 PM
The family spoke briefly to the media Thursday afternoon. Teresa Neves, Haleigh's grandmother, expressed concern over the dwindling crowds of media. She also said Ronald Cummings and his 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin, are still together as a couple.

interesting little tidbit, still together, sorry but I would of already had a big hoe down w/one or the other, but maybe they did?!?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 03:24:18 PM
Island...Crystals mom is not exactly a model citizen either...none of these family members appear to have clean hands...And just because Crystal does not have a record, does not mean that she is not also involved with unsavory things, just that she didn't/hasn't gotten caught...

I see your point here. It's like they say that on average a typical (not all) SO offends for... what? something like 17 years (or some amazing amount of time) before he is caught.

But if we apply that logic to Crystal, it also applies to Ron and makes him look even worse.

I think the beef may be in part that.... she admitted it; he denied it; and that denial worked to a distinct advantage in how it all panned out. IOW if she had lied too she may have found herself with a better outcome from her end.







Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 26, 2009, 03:26:38 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132277&catid=3

Detectives Want DNA from Haleigh's Mother  eeekkk!
Now that's interesting, I would have thought that all key players in the family would have already done this.  IM the astrology thread on Haleigh there is a lot about the SO in the area, I have to say I've not looked for a couple days, I'm so glad they explain their charts, because it is very difficult to understand, at least for me. There is also a Casey/Caylee thread, and other astrology threads as well.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 03:27:36 PM
If Haleigh would have been in the river, wouldn't her body have surfaced by now? still, I suppose that would be the most logical place to put a body...

Keep the faith...still hoping and praying that she is alive...


I'm not familiar with the area and I hate to be morbid -- forgive me for asking and I hope it's not the case, but are there crocs in the river?

And yes, definitely, keep the faith...... still hoping and praying.

 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 26, 2009, 03:29:30 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132277&catid=3

Detectives Want DNA from Haleigh's Mother  eeekkk!

whoa, and they want it fast...theyre not waiting, theyre tracking her down!


Wow, interesting, and if I skimmed the article right, Crystal is at the doctors.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 03:30:15 PM
On the other site, they are talking maybe lab results, phone records, etc has come back in ...  So they track down Crystal for DNA, take Misty off for further questioning and bring out 7 cadaver dogs, something is up that's for sure.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 03:31:19 PM
but Island, would you cut ron the same slack if he wasn't paying and didn't have a job? It is just as tough for a man out there to get a job...but kids still have to eat...I am sure that Crystal still eats right?
Chad has a job right? even $25 a week would help in buying groceries...at least make the effort to send something, even if it is $5 or buying some shoes or groceries for the kids...

Yes, I would.....especially now when we are in a recession headed towards even worse. I haven't seen whether or not he pays support to Amber, but if he's hurting bad now, I could cut him some slack. I don't get a dime, and I rely on myself because I have learned that my kids are too important to depend on anyone else even by court order~I step up to the plate and since my ex can't hold a job, I don't bother even wasting my time or effort because it is futile.

well, if we are going to look at it from the papers being received, Crystal, who owes the money and has no job, nor any way of paying this money,  would have also received her papers the day before Haleigh disappeared as well...that could be looked at suspiciously as well...more of a motive?
if this was reversed and Ron owed the money, would posters be more of a mind set that that is a reason or motive, since it is the man owing the money, not the woman? Or Chad not wanting to pay the money since the family is already strapped for cash?
I do not think any of these characters are involved with her disappearance...just throwing some junk out there....

You know I had this conversation w/another poster on here about it being a man vs woman thing, cause I sure get the impression sometimes.  I don't exclude Ron from this crime, but I will say time and time again he blows me away w/his actions in this whole case if he is the guilty party.  The whole family saga....Crystals & family whine, whine, whine.  Throw rocks and you know what they say about people in glass houses.  Now she leaves one dead beat supposed wife beater for another supposed dead beat child beater so go figure.  I have yet to hear the Cummings family come on and whine about the wonderful Sheffields and that leads me at times to see it as a bitch fest from Bio mom's side.  Which once again leaves me w/little sympathy for her.  And to have people constantly putting angel wings on her and her family just blows me away.  I never once thought Crystal was guilty of this crime even tho there's some issues and motive there that would lead one w/clear head to believe it.  And to totally disregard, Crystals momma's record of a drug house when Crystal was what 11, yeah, she had a well upbringing or any of the other numerous crime reports on her side to include Chad/Stepbrother new guy w/a order for child abuse yet dog every little tid bit of Ron and his family just bewilders me and leads me to believe that yeah some women really do think the man must be the bad guy regardless of the woman's past behavior.
I'm not saying it's not Ron, but damn we can't even look at this logically w/out getting defensive about little miss angel Crystal and her family drama.  Crystal is not at issue w/most.  Sorry for the Rant, Again on this Crystal vs Ronald issue that is never ending.

I've said before I've got wonderful men in my life, Daddy's, uncles, brothers, nephews, cuz's, etc. and to see some of the things picked out about Ron's behavior is just ridiculous to me.  And I see any number of Ron's emotions and actions in these men I know and I just don't find it all odd.


And see that right there....who cares about Amber?  If she has not come forward to get child support from him she's either ok or the paternity is in question, but who cares, do we know how many of these other characters have misc.  children?  Does Chad have 4 more that are going to jump out of the wood work to up his part in the motive game?  As it stands he has 2 and Crystal has 2 that's alot of pay out in my book.  Lets be fair is all I ask.

I agree fatcatlurker.  With what we have found out about Ron/family, Misty/family, and Crystal/family, am thinking that none of them have any room to talk about any other.  Plus the fact that all three of these families seem entwined with connecting cousins and/or marriage ties.  Nearly everyone (young and old alike) has a record of some sort as well, except the small children.  So knowing what we know at this point, the fact that the Cummings family and the Croslin family have not been throwing stones at the Sheffield family, somehow gives them each a bit more character, IMO. 

Listening to what the Sheffields have to say does concern me, yes.  Ron is no angel, yet neither is Crystal, but Ron isn't in front of every camera pointing that out, the way Crystal and family is doing.  Gets me to wondering.... Is what the Sheffields have to say.... true..... and this is the first chance they've had to let the world know?  Heck if I know! 

But I can still see the bigger picture, even tho it isn't pretty on any of the three sides.  Still trying to look at each of the players and decide who is being the more honest in the situation with Caylee.  It's very hard to do, because IMO, none of them have been entirely honest.  sigh. 
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 03:32:24 PM
If Haleigh would have been in the river, wouldn't her body have surfaced by now? still, I suppose that would be the most logical place to put a body...

Keep the faith...still hoping and praying that she is alive...


I'm not familiar with the area and I hate to be morbid -- forgive me for asking and I hope it's not the case, but are there crocs in the river?

And yes, definitely, keep the faith...... still hoping and praying.

 



Gators I saw one in the first pic I google of this river.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 03:33:06 PM
Island...Crystals mom is not exactly a model citizen either...none of these family members appear to have clean hands...And just because Crystal does not have a record, does not mean that she is not also involved with unsavory things, just that she didn't/hasn't gotten caught...

I see your point here. It's like they say that on average a typical (not all) SO offends for... what? something like 17 years (or some amazing amount of time) before he is caught.

But if we apply that logic to Crystal, it also applies to Ron and makes him look even worse.

I think the beef may be in part that.... she admitted it; he denied it; and that denial worked to a distinct advantage in how it all panned out. IOW if she had lied too she may have found herself with a better outcome from her end.







i think one can go back and forth between the two of them til the cows come home.

like,

hes in the media focusing on only haleigh and shes making news show appearances trashing him and disclosing stuff that needlessly puts one of her other young children in the media and public spotlight. why??

dollars to donuts, imo.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 03:34:08 PM
I agree fatcatlurker.  With what we have found out about Ron/family, Misty/family, and Crystal/family, am thinking that none of them have any room to talk about any other.  Plus the fact that all three of these families seem entwined with connecting cousins and/or marriage ties.  Nearly everyone (young and old alike) has a record of some sort as well, except the small children.  So knowing what we know at this point, the fact that the Cummings family and the Croslin family have not been throwing stones at the Sheffield family, somehow gives them each a bit more character, IMO. 

Listening to what the Sheffields have to say does concern me, yes.  Ron is no angel, yet neither is Crystal, but Ron isn't in front of every camera pointing that out, the way Crystal and family is doing.  Gets me to wondering.... Is what the Sheffields have to say.... true..... and this is the first chance they've had to let the world know?  Heck if I know! 

But I can still see the bigger picture, even tho it isn't pretty on any of the three sides.  Still trying to look at each of the players and decide who is being the more honest in the situation with Caylee.  It's very hard to do, because IMO, none of them have been entirely honest.  sigh. 
 

Ermmmmm... I meant Haleigh!!   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 03:34:31 PM
http://www.cbs12.com/news/search_4715036___article.html/dogs_police.html


Update: The search for Haleigh
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February 26, 2009 - 1:43 PM
Marianne Wellendorf
As police use canine dogs to search for 5-year old Haleigh Cummings, new details slowly emerge in the quest to find her. Another search began Thursday morning at 10:00 a.m. when several canine search teams were sent to the area surrounding the home of Haleigh. The search is being conducted to insure that no possibility is overlooked in the search for the missing girl.

Police said on Thursday that so far, this has been a routine search and the protocal they are using is similar to the road block they established a week after her disappearance. Cummings has been missing more than 2 weeks now.

Police said that in most cases, something is found within half a mile of crime scene on a second search.

The Putnam County Sheriffs Office called in the K9 South unit from Georgia to search and they did bring cadaver dogs. There are seven dogs searching today and 12 dogs plan to be used tomorrow in the search for little Haleigh. The dog handlers refused to speak to media or answer questions.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy said that he continues to hope that Haleigh is found alive and in good health. Thursday's search is not in response to leads received from the family or the public, but as a routine procedure that has proved itself in other missing child cases.


 

That scares me to death, why all of the sudden and why look again with more dogs unless they know something


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 03:38:48 PM
Such nice neighbors did you guys see the vidio clip on the side of the article, the one guy said they've been in his place and searched all around it twice and he didn't mind at all. 

It also said the dogs did not hit on their trailer.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 03:39:30 PM
http://www.cbs12.com/news/search_4715036___article.html/dogs_police.html


Update: The search for Haleigh
Comments 0 | Recommend 0
February 26, 2009 - 1:43 PM
Marianne Wellendorf
As police use canine dogs to search for 5-year old Haleigh Cummings, new details slowly emerge in the quest to find her. Another search began Thursday morning at 10:00 a.m. when several canine search teams were sent to the area surrounding the home of Haleigh. The search is being conducted to insure that no possibility is overlooked in the search for the missing girl.

Police said on Thursday that so far, this has been a routine search and the protocal they are using is similar to the road block they established a week after her disappearance. Cummings has been missing more than 2 weeks now.

Police said that in most cases, something is found within half a mile of crime scene on a second search.

The Putnam County Sheriffs Office called in the K9 South unit from Georgia to search and they did bring cadaver dogs. There are seven dogs searching today and 12 dogs plan to be used tomorrow in the search for little Haleigh. The dog handlers refused to speak to media or answer questions.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy said that he continues to hope that Haleigh is found alive and in good health. Thursday's search is not in response to leads received from the family or the public, but as a routine procedure that has proved itself in other missing child cases.


 

That scares me to death, why all of the sudden and why look again with more dogs unless they know something

yep, same here. and they want crystals dna asap, which makes me think for id purposes. what the hell is going on we dont know about?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 03:40:30 PM
So if we have cadaver dogs they must think close to home and in or around the trailer.  So Ron and Misty together, Misty alone or Ron alone?  Any takers?


Neither....
where is Misty lately anyway? not staying with ron anymore?

The last article I read she was still in the trailer w/Ron....interesting huh?

I didn't see this but have heard about it... Supposedly one of Misty's family came and got her, carrying a suitcase to the car, trying to get her into the car, while Misty was being asked questions by the media. 

Whether she has come back or not, dunno.  But if she isn't being seen on the cameras, my best guess is that she is staying with her family somewhere.  That would be my recommendation for her right now, for definite sure. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 26, 2009, 03:41:27 PM
Did I hear right, the cummings are still living in a tent?
I thought someone sent a trailer down (that I did see myself) for them to use.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I heard that too! And thought the same thing. Here is the trailer being brought to them at least a week ago.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image33.jpg)

What's up with that?

Also, I thought it looked like Ron was coming out of that trailer last Saturday when Geraldo kinda blind-sided him with his "interview."



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: theboyzmom on February 26, 2009, 03:42:19 PM
http://www.cbs12.com/news/search_4715036___article.html/dogs_police.html


Update: The search for Haleigh
Comments 0 | Recommend 0
February 26, 2009 - 1:43 PM
Marianne Wellendorf
As police use canine dogs to search for 5-year old Haleigh Cummings, new details slowly emerge in the quest to find her. Another search began Thursday morning at 10:00 a.m. when several canine search teams were sent to the area surrounding the home of Haleigh. The search is being conducted to insure that no possibility is overlooked in the search for the missing girl.

Police said on Thursday that so far, this has been a routine search and the protocal they are using is similar to the road block they established a week after her disappearance. Cummings has been missing more than 2 weeks now.

Police said that in most cases, something is found within half a mile of crime scene on a second search.

The Putnam County Sheriffs Office called in the K9 South unit from Georgia to search and they did bring cadaver dogs. There are seven dogs searching today and 12 dogs plan to be used tomorrow in the search for little Haleigh. The dog handlers refused to speak to media or answer questions.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy said that he continues to hope that Haleigh is found alive and in good health. Thursday's search is not in response to leads received from the family or the public, but as a routine procedure that has proved itself in other missing child cases.


 

That scares me to death, why all of the sudden and why look again with more dogs unless they know something

yep, same here. and they want crystals dna asap, which makes me think for id purposes. what the hell is going on we dont know about?

That is my feeling too - reading the story my heart sank. I think if it was a routine collection they would just wait until she got back.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 03:42:26 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132277&catid=3

Detectives Want DNA from Haleigh's Mother  eeekkk!

whoa, and they want it fast...theyre not waiting, theyre tracking her down!


Oh no... this made me cry. The first thought that jumped in my head is mitochondrial DNA which is inherited via the mother's bloodline for identifying some types of remains. I don't know that's the case.

Oh...... please no.







Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: theboyzmom on February 26, 2009, 03:43:13 PM
does anyone have a link to the documents in the custody fight?  (Well, I know we do but I mean does someone have one at close reach??)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 26, 2009, 03:44:29 PM
Here's the DNA article:

Detectives Want DNA from Haleigh's Mother
Posted By: Gary Detman Posted By: Jackelyn Barnard     Created: 2/26/2009 9:22:37 AM    Updated: 2/26/2009 3:27:43 PM

SATSUMA, FL -- Investigators want a DNA sample from Crystal Sheffield, the mother of Haleigh Cummings, while cadaver dogs scour the woods and fields around the girl's home for any signs of the missing girl.

The five-year-old has been missing since she went to bed on the night of February 9th.

Late Thursday afternoon, detectives came looking for Sheffield, who had apparently gone to the doctor.

The detectives are trying to track her down after going to the wrong office. Investigators would not comment on what type of DNA sample they need, or why.

All morning, the cadaver dogs have been looking through and under a number of people's homes in Heleigh's neighborhood.

"They've been in my home," said neighbor James Batchelor. "They've torn it apart. All the buildings out there they've been in them twice."

The dogs are trained to specifically seek out human remains and are part of Canine South, a non-law-enforcement group specializing in canine searches.

"Today's search is not in response to leads received from the family or the public, but as a routine procedure that has proven itself in other missing child cases," said Captain Dick Schauland with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office. "This search is being conducted to insure that no possibility is overlooked in the search for Haleigh."

Ron Wirth, a former FBI agent who's been doing general analysis on the investigation as a representative of First Coast Crime Stoppers, says the move to get the DNA from Haleigh's mother may be about evidence.

"They may be seeking the biological mother's DNA to establish a basis for test comparisons on items that they have found, or will find, to positively identify or eliminate those items as evidence in this matter," said Wirth.

Wirth says the new search with cadaver dogs is also not unusual at this stage in the investigation.

"If a body began to deteriorate you might get some gasses that the dogs could hit on," said Wirth.

Thursday's ground search is the first major organized effort in some time.

Investigators have been chasing false leads across the First Coast and in Tennessee since shifting the search for Haleigh to more of an investigative approach in the case last week.

The family spoke briefly to the media Thursday afternoon. Teresa Neves, Haleigh's grandmother, expressed concern over the dwindling crowds of media. She also said Ronald Cummings and his 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin, are still together as a couple.

The reward for information leading to Haleigh is up to $26,500. Call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS if you have any information. You will remain anonymous and could recieve a cash reward if your information leads to an arrest.

<sdnipped> http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132277&catid=3



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 03:45:06 PM
does anyone have a link to the documents in the custody fight?  (Well, I know we do but I mean does someone have one at close reach??)


I was looking at it the other day; I'll see if I can find it.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 03:47:12 PM
http://www.cbs12.com/news/search_4715036___article.html/dogs_police.html


Update: The search for Haleigh
Comments 0 | Recommend 0
February 26, 2009 - 1:43 PM
Marianne Wellendorf
As police use canine dogs to search for 5-year old Haleigh Cummings, new details slowly emerge in the quest to find her. Another search began Thursday morning at 10:00 a.m. when several canine search teams were sent to the area surrounding the home of Haleigh. The search is being conducted to insure that no possibility is overlooked in the search for the missing girl.

Police said on Thursday that so far, this has been a routine search and the protocal they are using is similar to the road block they established a week after her disappearance. Cummings has been missing more than 2 weeks now.

Police said that in most cases, something is found within half a mile of crime scene on a second search.

The Putnam County Sheriffs Office called in the K9 South unit from Georgia to search and they did bring cadaver dogs. There are seven dogs searching today and 12 dogs plan to be used tomorrow in the search for little Haleigh. The dog handlers refused to speak to media or answer questions.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy said that he continues to hope that Haleigh is found alive and in good health. Thursday's search is not in response to leads received from the family or the public, but as a routine procedure that has proved itself in other missing child cases.


 

That scares me to death, why all of the sudden and why look again with more dogs unless they know something

yep, same here. and they want crystals dna asap, which makes me think for id purposes. what the hell is going on we dont know about?

That is my feeling too - reading the story my heart sank. I think if it was a routine collection they would just wait until she got back.

i know, mine too! also agree on the waiting for a couple of hours if it was just 'routine'. eeps!! ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 03:49:38 PM

Thanks for that Brandi.

The "mother" part made me jump to mitochondrial, ....otherwise...... DNA from Ron too, unless they already have that but just didn't make a big announcement about it.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 03:51:27 PM
Thanks Brandi, I thought they already had dogs out by the home, but maybe not cadaver dogs.

Yes, they did. Here is the whole article from today:

SATSUMA, FL -- Cadaver dogs and their handlers are back in the woods and fields around the home of Haleigh Cummings, looking for any signs of the little girl.

The five-year-old has been missing since she went to bed on the night of February 9th.

The cadaver dogs are searching the panels under homes in the neighborhood. The dogs are trained to specifically seek out human remains and are part of Canine South, a non-law enforcement group specializing in canine searches.

"Today's search is not in response to leads received from the family or the public, but as a routine procedure that has proven itself in other missing child cases," said Captain Dick Schauland with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office. "This search is being conducted to insure that no possibility is overlooked in the search for Haleigh."

Thursday's ground search is the first major organized effort in some time.

Investigators have been chasing false leads across the First Coast and in Tennessee since shifting the search for Haleigh to more of an investigative approach in the case last week.

The reward for information leading to Haleigh is up to $26,500. Call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS if you have any information. You will remain anonymous and could recieve a cash reward if your information leads to an arrest.

From my notes on Feb. 10 (first day missing) ...
130 personnel from 25 agencies were involved in the search on Tuesday. While divers were scouring the nearby St. Johns River, bloodhounds and cadaver dogs were being used in the neighborhood around the Cummings' home. Officials said that helicopters with infrared sensing equipment would begin scanning the area after dark.

Personally, I have a bad feeling about the river. For some reason.

In Stacy Peterson's case, in a forum for that, we had a guest speaker who owns a cadaver dog, doing a Q&A about those dogs.  She said that when LE uses cadaver dogs and clear an area, they nearly always go back a second, sometimes a third time.  Their reasoning being that an area is not 'officially cleared' until the dogs go thru it again.  Not that they don't trust the dogs, but because in many cases the perp finds out where they cleared the first time and moves evidence/body into that area.  It's one reason that LE doesn't like to announce a search site, either before or after. 

 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 03:52:21 PM

The part about them chasing her down and trying to locate where she is is frightening. If they hadn't found anything substantial, wouldn't they simply wait until she got back from wherever?... as you just mentioned.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 03:52:40 PM
Well supposedly hln is showing a clip right now over and over briefly and they picked her up this morning from the trailer she and Ron are staying in?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 26, 2009, 03:52:45 PM
Here's the DNA article:

Detectives Want DNA from Haleigh's Mother
Posted By: Gary Detman Posted By: Jackelyn Barnard     Created: 2/26/2009 9:22:37 AM    Updated: 2/26/2009 3:27:43 PM

SATSUMA, FL -- Investigators want a DNA sample from Crystal Sheffield, the mother of Haleigh Cummings, while cadaver dogs scour the woods and fields around the girl's home for any signs of the missing girl.

The five-year-old has been missing since she went to bed on the night of February 9th.

Late Thursday afternoon, detectives came looking for Sheffield, who had apparently gone to the doctor.

The detectives are trying to track her down after going to the wrong office. Investigators would not comment on what type of DNA sample they need, or why.

All morning, the cadaver dogs have been looking through and under a number of people's homes in Heleigh's neighborhood.

"They've been in my home," said neighbor James Batchelor. "They've torn it apart. All the buildings out there they've been in them twice."

The dogs are trained to specifically seek out human remains and are part of Canine South, a non-law-enforcement group specializing in canine searches.

"Today's search is not in response to leads received from the family or the public, but as a routine procedure that has proven itself in other missing child cases," said Captain Dick Schauland with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office. "This search is being conducted to insure that no possibility is overlooked in the search for Haleigh."

Ron Wirth, a former FBI agent who's been doing general analysis on the investigation as a representative of First Coast Crime Stoppers, says the move to get the DNA from Haleigh's mother may be about evidence.

"They may be seeking the biological mother's DNA to establish a basis for test comparisons on items that they have found, or will find, to positively identify or eliminate those items as evidence in this matter," said Wirth.

Wirth says the new search with cadaver dogs is also not unusual at this stage in the investigation.

"If a body began to deteriorate you might get some gasses that the dogs could hit on," said Wirth.

Thursday's ground search is the first major organized effort in some time.

Investigators have been chasing false leads across the First Coast and in Tennessee since shifting the search for Haleigh to more of an investigative approach in the case last week.

The family spoke briefly to the media Thursday afternoon. Teresa Neves, Haleigh's grandmother, expressed concern over the dwindling crowds of media. She also said Ronald Cummings and his 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin, are still together as a couple.

The reward for information leading to Haleigh is up to $26,500. Call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS if you have any information. You will remain anonymous and could recieve a cash reward if your information leads to an arrest.

<sdnipped> http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132277&catid=3




I just remembered that Bio mom said she'd never been inside the house...the house that's still off limits and now they want mom's dna?  :2thinky: Hmm... :smt017

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 26, 2009, 03:53:14 PM
Thanks Wyks, I never knew that before with cadaver dogs, very interesting.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 03:54:54 PM
I think they want her DNA cause of this:


On the other site, they are talking maybe lab results, phone records, etc has come back in ...  So they track down Crystal for DNA, take Misty off for further questioning and bring out 7 cadaver dogs, something is up that's for sure.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 03:56:11 PM

In Stacy Peterson's case, in a forum for that, we had a guest speaker who owns a cadaver dog, doing a Q&A about those dogs.  She said that when LE uses cadaver dogs and clear an area, they nearly always go back a second, sometimes a third time.  Their reasoning being that an area is not 'officially cleared' until the dogs go thru it again.  Not that they don't trust the dogs, but because in many cases the perp finds out where they cleared the first time and moves evidence/body into that area.  It's one reason that LE doesn't like to announce a search site, either before or after. 

 
Those dogs are amazing to me. Interesting point about the multiple searches. Also, I wonder if the state of decomposition makes a difference in how readily a dog "hits" on an area? IOW, for example, day 14 as opposed to day 4.... so would they go back to an area of interest after more days pass?





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 03:57:24 PM
Here's the DNA article:

Detectives Want DNA from Haleigh's Mother
Posted By: Gary Detman Posted By: Jackelyn Barnard     Created: 2/26/2009 9:22:37 AM    Updated: 2/26/2009 3:27:43 PM

SATSUMA, FL -- Investigators want a DNA sample from Crystal Sheffield, the mother of Haleigh Cummings, while cadaver dogs scour the woods and fields around the girl's home for any signs of the missing girl.

The five-year-old has been missing since she went to bed on the night of February 9th.

Late Thursday afternoon, detectives came looking for Sheffield, who had apparently gone to the doctor.

The detectives are trying to track her down after going to the wrong office. Investigators would not comment on what type of DNA sample they need, or why.

All morning, the cadaver dogs have been looking through and under a number of people's homes in Heleigh's neighborhood.

"They've been in my home," said neighbor James Batchelor. "They've torn it apart. All the buildings out there they've been in them twice."

The dogs are trained to specifically seek out human remains and are part of Canine South, a non-law-enforcement group specializing in canine searches.

"Today's search is not in response to leads received from the family or the public, but as a routine procedure that has proven itself in other missing child cases," said Captain Dick Schauland with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office. "This search is being conducted to insure that no possibility is overlooked in the search for Haleigh."

Ron Wirth, a former FBI agent who's been doing general analysis on the investigation as a representative of First Coast Crime Stoppers, says the move to get the DNA from Haleigh's mother may be about evidence.

"They may be seeking the biological mother's DNA to establish a basis for test comparisons on items that they have found, or will find, to positively identify or eliminate those items as evidence in this matter," said Wirth.

Wirth says the new search with cadaver dogs is also not unusual at this stage in the investigation.

"If a body began to deteriorate you might get some gasses that the dogs could hit on," said Wirth.

Thursday's ground search is the first major organized effort in some time.

Investigators have been chasing false leads across the First Coast and in Tennessee since shifting the search for Haleigh to more of an investigative approach in the case last week.

The family spoke briefly to the media Thursday afternoon. Teresa Neves, Haleigh's grandmother, expressed concern over the dwindling crowds of media. She also said Ronald Cummings and his 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin, are still together as a couple.

The reward for information leading to Haleigh is up to $26,500. Call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS if you have any information. You will remain anonymous and could recieve a cash reward if your information leads to an arrest.

<sdnipped> http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132277&catid=3




I just remembered that Bio mom said she'd never been inside the house...the house that's still off limits and now they want mom's dna?  :2thinky: Hmm... :smt017

Foggy


And where I might add bio mom said she saw pot plants growing around and bricks of pot inside???  Yet she claims to have never been in it?  Go figure.  Sorry I just couldn't help myself.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 03:58:42 PM
Island, also by your analogy of Ron being an unfit parent, then Crystal would be as well cause she left the kids with ron and Misty too...


No~she has to return the kids according to the custody agreemnt.

She may very well be unfit, but this didn't happen on her watch, it happened on his.......

but maybe if she was the more stable parent, she would have had the children with her and none of this would have happened? could go back and forth on this all day...
 and you really need to get back to work.... ::MonkeyHaHa::
see you soon....

In watching the back and forth between y'all... I have to say that I think you both are right!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

You both make good points.  I'd be hard pressed if I were a judge, knowing both sides of this, and trying to pick the better one over the other.  As a social worker, am thinking the best interest for children in a situation like this MIGHT BE to take them away from both families, neither being suitable for a child.  Course I'd have to know a ton more of the actual facts in this case before doing such a thing. 

Am thinking that's one of the problems we're having here.  We're not getting actual facts from both sides.  Hard to make any sense at all of what we are getting so far. 
   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 04:00:00 PM

The part about them chasing her down and trying to locate where she is is frightening. If they hadn't found anything substantial, wouldn't they simply wait until she got back from wherever?... as you just mentioned.



i would think so, i know time is always of the essence when looking for missing kids, why send people who could be working on other things on an errand to hunt her down if the delay is only an hour or two in getting her dna? i mean why do they need it now as opposed to lets say 4pm est?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 04:00:48 PM


I just remembered that Bio mom said she'd never been inside the house...the house that's still off limits and now they want mom's dna?  :2thinky: Hmm... :smt017

Foggy


I'm getting lost. Does Crystal have the kids in her home two weekends a month?

So tranfer DNA, in the mobile home - hairs, fibers, etc from hugging, handling their laundry, being in regular general contact (even at intervals) with the kids would not be an unusual find IMO.





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 26, 2009, 04:03:21 PM
Well supposedly hln is showing a clip right now over and over briefly and they picked her up this morning from the trailer she and Ron are staying in?

Ronald and Crystal are not staying together. They have separate "camps." It was my understanding that Ronald is staying in the donated (loaned) travel trailer and Crystal was down the street in a tent.

I just posted a picture of the trailer, here is the tent that supposedly Crystal is staying in:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image6.jpg)



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 04:03:25 PM
If Haleigh would have been in the river, wouldn't her body have surfaced by now? still, I suppose that would be the most logical place to put a body...

Keep the faith...still hoping and praying that she is alive...


Well, one would think so, yes.  And yet, there was a cinderblock holding the screen door open.  It's possible that there was one or more cinderblocks available to weight a little body down.   ::MonkeyWaa::

Am still praying tho that Haleigh is alive and well, perhaps just taken by a family member or friend of one of the families, because of a dispute etc. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Anna on February 26, 2009, 04:03:49 PM
I know a little bit about dogs from breeding them and the answer to both the questions above would be yes and yes.

LE likely used S&R dogs for the first search.

Now it would be logical to go back with cadaver dogs.

Sadly.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 04:05:48 PM
Well supposedly hln is showing a clip right now over and over briefly and they picked her up this morning from the trailer she and Ron are staying in?

Ronald and Crystal are not staying together. They have separate "camps." It was my understanding that Ronald is staying in the donated (loaned) travel trailer and Crystal was down the street in a tent.

I just posted a picture of the trailer, here is the tent that supposedly Crystal is staying in:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image6.jpg)



I was talking about Ron and Misty.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 26, 2009, 04:07:24 PM
Well supposedly hln is showing a clip right now over and over briefly and they picked her up this morning from the trailer she and Ron are staying in?

Ronald and Crystal are not staying together. They have separate "camps." It was my understanding that Ronald is staying in the donated (loaned) travel trailer and Crystal was down the street in a tent.

I just posted a picture of the trailer, here is the tent that supposedly Crystal is staying in:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image6.jpg)



I was talking about Ron and Misty.

So sorry.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 26, 2009, 04:09:01 PM
Here's the DNA article:

Detectives Want DNA from Haleigh's Mother
Posted By: Gary Detman Posted By: Jackelyn Barnard     Created: 2/26/2009 9:22:37 AM    Updated: 2/26/2009 3:27:43 PM

SATSUMA, FL -- Investigators want a DNA sample from Crystal Sheffield, the mother of Haleigh Cummings, while cadaver dogs scour the woods and fields around the girl's home for any signs of the missing girl.

The five-year-old has been missing since she went to bed on the night of February 9th.

Late Thursday afternoon, detectives came looking for Sheffield, who had apparently gone to the doctor.

The detectives are trying to track her down after going to the wrong office. Investigators would not comment on what type of DNA sample they need, or why.

All morning, the cadaver dogs have been looking through and under a number of people's homes in Heleigh's neighborhood.

"They've been in my home," said neighbor James Batchelor. "They've torn it apart. All the buildings out there they've been in them twice."

The dogs are trained to specifically seek out human remains and are part of Canine South, a non-law-enforcement group specializing in canine searches.

"Today's search is not in response to leads received from the family or the public, but as a routine procedure that has proven itself in other missing child cases," said Captain Dick Schauland with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office. "This search is being conducted to insure that no possibility is overlooked in the search for Haleigh."

Ron Wirth, a former FBI agent who's been doing general analysis on the investigation as a representative of First Coast Crime Stoppers, says the move to get the DNA from Haleigh's mother may be about evidence.

"They may be seeking the biological mother's DNA to establish a basis for test comparisons on items that they have found, or will find, to positively identify or eliminate those items as evidence in this matter," said Wirth.

Wirth says the new search with cadaver dogs is also not unusual at this stage in the investigation.

"If a body began to deteriorate you might get some gasses that the dogs could hit on," said Wirth.

Thursday's ground search is the first major organized effort in some time.

Investigators have been chasing false leads across the First Coast and in Tennessee since shifting the search for Haleigh to more of an investigative approach in the case last week.

The family spoke briefly to the media Thursday afternoon. Teresa Neves, Haleigh's grandmother, expressed concern over the dwindling crowds of media. She also said Ronald Cummings and his 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin, are still together as a couple.

The reward for information leading to Haleigh is up to $26,500. Call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS if you have any information. You will remain anonymous and could recieve a cash reward if your information leads to an arrest.

<sdnipped> http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132277&catid=3




I just remembered that Bio mom said she'd never been inside the house...the house that's still off limits and now they want mom's dna?  :2thinky: Hmm... :smt017

Foggy


And where I might add bio mom said she saw pot plants growing around and bricks of pot inside???  Yet she claims to have never been in it?  Go figure.  Sorry I just couldn't help myself.


As most know, I've been bugged about no access to house these weeks.  So natch I'm thinking some of the evidence in secured home might be tied to Bio mom, otherwise why the rush for dna now?  I'm really spooked now/fearing the worst.  :smt089

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 04:09:22 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132277&catid=3

Detectives Want DNA from Haleigh's Mother  eeekkk!

whoa, and they want it fast...theyre not waiting, theyre tracking her down!


Wow, interesting, and if I skimmed the article right, Crystal is at the doctors.

Here is the entire article.......something is definitly up!!! I pray that she's alive, but if htey want DNA, sound like they may have found something ..........they would need both parents DNA for a match, I pray I'm not getting too far ahead of what's going down, but it's looking bad.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 04:11:34 PM
Here's the DNA article:

Detectives Want DNA from Haleigh's Mother
Posted By: Gary Detman Posted By: Jackelyn Barnard     Created: 2/26/2009 9:22:37 AM    Updated: 2/26/2009 3:27:43 PM

SATSUMA, FL -- Investigators want a DNA sample from Crystal Sheffield, the mother of Haleigh Cummings, while cadaver dogs scour the woods and fields around the girl's home for any signs of the missing girl.

The five-year-old has been missing since she went to bed on the night of February 9th.

Late Thursday afternoon, detectives came looking for Sheffield, who had apparently gone to the doctor.

The detectives are trying to track her down after going to the wrong office. Investigators would not comment on what type of DNA sample they need, or why.

All morning, the cadaver dogs have been looking through and under a number of people's homes in Heleigh's neighborhood.

"They've been in my home," said neighbor James Batchelor. "They've torn it apart. All the buildings out there they've been in them twice."

The dogs are trained to specifically seek out human remains and are part of Canine South, a non-law-enforcement group specializing in canine searches.

"Today's search is not in response to leads received from the family or the public, but as a routine procedure that has proven itself in other missing child cases," said Captain Dick Schauland with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office. "This search is being conducted to insure that no possibility is overlooked in the search for Haleigh."

Ron Wirth, a former FBI agent who's been doing general analysis on the investigation as a representative of First Coast Crime Stoppers, says the move to get the DNA from Haleigh's mother may be about evidence.

"They may be seeking the biological mother's DNA to establish a basis for test comparisons on items that they have found, or will find, to positively identify or eliminate those items as evidence in this matter," said Wirth.

Wirth says the new search with cadaver dogs is also not unusual at this stage in the investigation.

"If a body began to deteriorate you might get some gasses that the dogs could hit on," said Wirth.

Thursday's ground search is the first major organized effort in some time.

Investigators have been chasing false leads across the First Coast and in Tennessee since shifting the search for Haleigh to more of an investigative approach in the case last week.

The family spoke briefly to the media Thursday afternoon. Teresa Neves, Haleigh's grandmother, expressed concern over the dwindling crowds of media. She also said Ronald Cummings and his 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin, are still together as a couple.

The reward for information leading to Haleigh is up to $26,500. Call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS if you have any information. You will remain anonymous and could recieve a cash reward if your information leads to an arrest.

<sdnipped> http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132277&catid=3




I just remembered that Bio mom said she'd never been inside the house...the house that's still off limits and now they want mom's dna?  :2thinky: Hmm... :smt017

Foggy


And where I might add bio mom said she saw pot plants growing around and bricks of pot inside???  Yet she claims to have never been in it?  Go figure.  Sorry I just couldn't help myself.


As most know, I've been bugged about no access to house these weeks.  So natch I'm thinking some of the evidence in secured home might be tied to Bio mom, otherwise why the rush for dna now?  I'm really spooked now/fearing the worst.  :smt089

Foggy


Do you mean mitochondrial DNA from bio mom, Foggy Dew? like for possible remains identifcation purposes?



 





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 04:13:11 PM
Oh lo.. this is from like 4 pages back, but I can't find an edit feature and "boy howdy" the likes of me sure needs one. Side note (as a preface,) one witty poster said that she (he?) can't "type for beans." **snort** Well me too. But apparently I have it far worse in that I suffer from a severe homophone problem that needs to be addressed ASAP.

I meant to type - and said in my head  - "close-KNIT," as in boound together by social and cultural ties. My fingers however, decided to type, "close nit," as in the egg or young of parasitic insects such as lice. (Or alternately,  "nit" as in "minor short coming.")

My apologies all. Altho if one wanted to get unduly mean and snarky, the "nit" without the "k" could actually...... no.... no.. I'm not gonna go there.  ::MonkeyCool::   Anyway, spellcheck doesn't fix my problem b/c in this instance, oddly, I spelled the WRONG word correctly. BWAH!

[/rant] . . ::MonkeyLaugh::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Not to worry rana, you're in good company! 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 04:19:15 PM
The detectives are trying to track her down after going to the wrong office. Investigators would not comment on what type of DNA sample they need, or why


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 04:21:03 PM
Well supposedly hln is showing a clip right now over and over briefly and they picked her up this morning from the trailer she and Ron are staying in?

Ronald and Crystal are not staying together. They have separate "camps." It was my understanding that Ronald is staying in the donated (loaned) travel trailer and Crystal was down the street in a tent.

I just posted a picture of the trailer, here is the tent that supposedly Crystal is staying in:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image6.jpg)



I was talking about Ron and Misty.

So sorry.

thank you for the pics brandi, youre always on top of stuff!

i think ron and jr are staying in the trailer, im not sure about misty.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 04:29:29 PM
Wyks I agree I enjoy reading the forensic astrology threads on WS also, that's about all I like to read over there. It is always interesting, and this is coming from someone who knows nothing about astrology. ::MonkeyEek::

I didn't know anything about astrology either, until reading over there.  It used to look like a bunch of little symbols, couldn't make head nor tails out of a chart.  I like their explanations of what they've found in the charts, that helps us learn.   ::MonkeyWink::



I'd be curious as I'm clueless as to those charts myself.......what do they say they mean in regards to this case?

Well.. they've done a lot of hard work on this case, so can't really give a short and sweet answer explaining all that they've found.  They've done the charts on the main players, and on the RSO's in the area.  And the charts seem to indicate that it's very possible that Donald Lee Sapp had something to do with this.  All I can suggest is for you to go to WS Forensic Astrology Forum and read what they've found.  I don't want to bring their reports over in case I make a mistake and say something different than what they meant.  I will say that they do report their seriously bad findings to LE, which from what I understand, they've done in this case. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 04:29:32 PM
Here's the DNA article:

Detectives Want DNA from Haleigh's Mother
Posted By: Gary Detman Posted By: Jackelyn Barnard     Created: 2/26/2009 9:22:37 AM    Updated: 2/26/2009 3:27:43 PM

SATSUMA, FL -- Investigators want a DNA sample from Crystal Sheffield, the mother of Haleigh Cummings, while cadaver dogs scour the woods and fields around the girl's home for any signs of the missing girl.

The five-year-old has been missing since she went to bed on the night of February 9th.

Late Thursday afternoon, detectives came looking for Sheffield, who had apparently gone to the doctor.

The detectives are trying to track her down after going to the wrong office. Investigators would not comment on what type of DNA sample they need, or why.

All morning, the cadaver dogs have been looking through and under a number of people's homes in Heleigh's neighborhood.

"They've been in my home," said neighbor James Batchelor. "They've torn it apart. All the buildings out there they've been in them twice."

The dogs are trained to specifically seek out human remains and are part of Canine South, a non-law-enforcement group specializing in canine searches.

"Today's search is not in response to leads received from the family or the public, but as a routine procedure that has proven itself in other missing child cases," said Captain Dick Schauland with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office. "This search is being conducted to insure that no possibility is overlooked in the search for Haleigh."

Ron Wirth, a former FBI agent who's been doing general analysis on the investigation as a representative of First Coast Crime Stoppers, says the move to get the DNA from Haleigh's mother may be about evidence.

"They may be seeking the biological mother's DNA to establish a basis for test comparisons on items that they have found, or will find, to positively identify or eliminate those items as evidence in this matter," said Wirth.

Wirth says the new search with cadaver dogs is also not unusual at this stage in the investigation.

"If a body began to deteriorate you might get some gasses that the dogs could hit on," said Wirth.

Thursday's ground search is the first major organized effort in some time.

Investigators have been chasing false leads across the First Coast and in Tennessee since shifting the search for Haleigh to more of an investigative approach in the case last week.

The family spoke briefly to the media Thursday afternoon. Teresa Neves, Haleigh's grandmother, expressed concern over the dwindling crowds of media. She also said Ronald Cummings and his 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin, are still together as a couple.

The reward for information leading to Haleigh is up to $26,500. Call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS if you have any information. You will remain anonymous and could recieve a cash reward if your information leads to an arrest.

<sdnipped> http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132277&catid=3




I just remembered that Bio mom said she'd never been inside the house...the house that's still off limits and now they want mom's dna?  :2thinky: Hmm... :smt017

Foggy


And where I might add bio mom said she saw pot plants growing around and bricks of pot inside???  Yet she claims to have never been in it?  Go figure.  Sorry I just couldn't help myself.


As most know, I've been bugged about no access to house these weeks.  So natch I'm thinking some of the evidence in secured home might be tied to Bio mom, otherwise why the rush for dna now?  I'm really spooked now/fearing the worst.  :smt089

Foggy


Do you mean mitochondrial DNA from bio mom, Foggy Dew? like for possible remains identifcation purposes?



 





if they take a sample from crystal they will get the full profile. they then can compare found samples, depending on their size, by mitochondrial testing if they dont already have a full dna profile on haleigh.

i would think tho that her doc, or the hospital, given her illness, would already have blood work on file. so why wouldnt they use that as a comparison sample?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: GabbyG on February 26, 2009, 04:29:32 PM
Island...Crystals mom is not exactly a model citizen either...none of these family members appear to have clean hands...And just because Crystal does not have a record, does not mean that she is not also involved with unsavory things, just that she didn't/hasn't gotten caught...
I agree with you cookie.. you have 2 families here, both with what seems to be nominal education, on the lower end of the salary scale who may have at times subsidized their incomes in illegal activities. There are still rough feelings on both sides, and they are tossing grenades and rather than put the kids first and their own feelings aside and are using this tragedy to try and marginalize the other parent.. the kids always suffer. Neither parent is a role model, but when all is said and done, my guess is Misty snuck out, left the door open and some freakin wierdo snuck in and took Haleigh.. IMO Misty didnt want to admit she wasnt there and the guilt and fear for her must be a terrible burden...

Hello!  You know what? I just had a thought while reading this post. Let's pretend Misty DID sneak out and go somewhere else, and perhaps there was a group of people there. What if while she's there someone in that group knows the situation, and knows the kids are home alone, hears Misty talking about how she slipped out and hopes the kids stay asleep, and how she PROPPED THE BACK DOOR OPEN SO SHE COULD GET BACK IN LATER...what if this someone slips out of the gathering, or just openly says hey I gotta go, see ya later...and goes there knowing no one but the kids are home, and takes Haleigh. It's very possible at LEAST one SO from the neighborhood may have been at the "party", and that would have been like having a smorgasbord laid out. And maybe that SO had even had his eye on Haleigh before the night in question. IMO it's a good possibility that this could have happened, and that Misty and/or others have also put this together but she's afraid to say so for obvious reasons. This has never crossed my mind before, but I think it's a very feasible possibility.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: GabbyG on February 26, 2009, 04:31:32 PM
Island...Crystals mom is not exactly a model citizen either...none of these family members appear to have clean hands...And just because Crystal does not have a record, does not mean that she is not also involved with unsavory things, just that she didn't/hasn't gotten caught...
I agree with you cookie.. you have 2 families here, both with what seems to be nominal education, on the lower end of the salary scale who may have at times subsidized their incomes in illegal activities. There are still rough feelings on both sides, and they are tossing grenades and rather than put the kids first and their own feelings aside and are using this tragedy to try and marginalize the other parent.. the kids always suffer. Neither parent is a role model, but when all is said and done, my guess is Misty snuck out, left the door open and some freakin wierdo snuck in and took Haleigh.. IMO Misty didnt want to admit she wasnt there and the guilt and fear for her must be a terrible burden...

Hello!  You know what? I just had a thought while reading this post. Let's pretend Misty DID sneak out and go somewhere else, and perhaps there was a group of people there. What if while she's there someone in that group knows the situation, and knows the kids are home alone, hears Misty talking about how she slipped out and hopes the kids stay asleep, and how she PROPPED THE BACK DOOR OPEN SO SHE COULD GET BACK IN LATER...what if this someone slips out of the gathering, or just openly says hey I gotta go, see ya later...and goes there knowing no one but the kids are home, and takes Haleigh. It's very possible at LEAST one SO from the neighborhood may have been at the "party", and that would have been like having a smorgasbord laid out. And maybe that SO had even had his eye on Haleigh before the night in question. IMO it's a good possibility that this could have happened, and that Misty and/or others have also put this together but she's afraid to say so for obvious reasons. This has never crossed my mind before, but I think it's a very feasible possibility.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 04:34:51 PM
Here's the DNA article:

Detectives Want DNA from Haleigh's Mother
Posted By: Gary Detman Posted By: Jackelyn Barnard     Created: 2/26/2009 9:22:37 AM    Updated: 2/26/2009 3:27:43 PM

SATSUMA, FL -- Investigators want a DNA sample from Crystal Sheffield, the mother of Haleigh Cummings, while cadaver dogs scour the woods and fields around the girl's home for any signs of the missing girl.

The five-year-old has been missing since she went to bed on the night of February 9th.

Late Thursday afternoon, detectives came looking for Sheffield, who had apparently gone to the doctor.

The detectives are trying to track her down after going to the wrong office. Investigators would not comment on what type of DNA sample they need, or why.

All morning, the cadaver dogs have been looking through and under a number of people's homes in Heleigh's neighborhood.

"They've been in my home," said neighbor James Batchelor. "They've torn it apart. All the buildings out there they've been in them twice."

The dogs are trained to specifically seek out human remains and are part of Canine South, a non-law-enforcement group specializing in canine searches.

"Today's search is not in response to leads received from the family or the public, but as a routine procedure that has proven itself in other missing child cases," said Captain Dick Schauland with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office. "This search is being conducted to insure that no possibility is overlooked in the search for Haleigh."

Ron Wirth, a former FBI agent who's been doing general analysis on the investigation as a representative of First Coast Crime Stoppers, says the move to get the DNA from Haleigh's mother may be about evidence.

"They may be seeking the biological mother's DNA to establish a basis for test comparisons on items that they have found, or will find, to positively identify or eliminate those items as evidence in this matter," said Wirth.

Wirth says the new search with cadaver dogs is also not unusual at this stage in the investigation.

"If a body began to deteriorate you might get some gasses that the dogs could hit on," said Wirth.

Thursday's ground search is the first major organized effort in some time.

Investigators have been chasing false leads across the First Coast and in Tennessee since shifting the search for Haleigh to more of an investigative approach in the case last week.

The family spoke briefly to the media Thursday afternoon. Teresa Neves, Haleigh's grandmother, expressed concern over the dwindling crowds of media. She also said Ronald Cummings and his 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin, are still together as a couple.

The reward for information leading to Haleigh is up to $26,500. Call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS if you have any information. You will remain anonymous and could recieve a cash reward if your information leads to an arrest.

<sdnipped> http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132277&catid=3




I just remembered that Bio mom said she'd never been inside the house...the house that's still off limits and now they want mom's dna?  :2thinky: Hmm... :smt017

Foggy


And where I might add bio mom said she saw pot plants growing around and bricks of pot inside???  Yet she claims to have never been in it?  Go figure.  Sorry I just couldn't help myself.


As most know, I've been bugged about no access to house these weeks.  So natch I'm thinking some of the evidence in secured home might be tied to Bio mom, otherwise why the rush for dna now?  I'm really spooked now/fearing the worst.  :smt089

Foggy


Do you mean mitochondrial DNA from bio mom, Foggy Dew? like for possible remains identifcation purposes?



 






Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 04:35:17 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132277&catid=3

Detectives Want DNA from Haleigh's Mother  eeekkk!

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: GramaMonkey on February 26, 2009, 04:39:51 PM
Back searching at the home.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/new...aspx?storyid=132277&catid=295


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pharlap on February 26, 2009, 04:40:39 PM
http://www.cbs12.com/news/search_4715036___article.html/dogs_police.html


Update: The search for Haleigh
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February 26, 2009 - 1:43 PM
Marianne Wellendorf
As police use canine dogs to search for 5-year old Haleigh Cummings, new details slowly emerge in the quest to find her. Another search began Thursday morning at 10:00 a.m. when several canine search teams were sent to the area surrounding the home of Haleigh. The search is being conducted to insure that no possibility is overlooked in the search for the missing girl.

Police said on Thursday that so far, this has been a routine search and the protocal they are using is similar to the road block they established a week after her disappearance. Cummings has been missing more than 2 weeks now.

Police said that in most cases, something is found within half a mile of crime scene on a second search.

The Putnam County Sheriffs Office called in the K9 South unit from Georgia to search and they did bring cadaver dogs. There are seven dogs searching today and 12 dogs plan to be used tomorrow in the search for little Haleigh. The dog handlers refused to speak to media or answer questions.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy said that he continues to hope that Haleigh is found alive and in good health. Thursday's search is not in response to leads received from the family or the public, but as a routine procedure that has proved itself in other missing child cases.


 

That scares me to death, why all of the sudden and why look again with more dogs unless they know something

yep, same here. and they want crystals dna asap, which makes me think for id purposes. what the hell is going on we dont know about?

That is my feeling too - reading the story my heart sank. I think if it was a routine collection they would just wait until she got back.

If it was routine, why didn't they collect the dna from the get go....?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 26, 2009, 04:41:23 PM
O/T but for WS members.  This is horrible if true, read the comments.  Just proves sometimes you just never know:

http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=613&cpage=1#comment-11550


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 04:45:59 PM
Search Moves Back to Haleigh's House
Posted By: Gary Detman Posted By: Jackelyn Barnard     Created: 2/26/2009 9:22:37 AM    Updated: 2/26/2009 4:32:51 PM
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SATSUMA, FL -- Investigators are back in the home where Haleigh Cummings was last seen. Her mother and father are watching as vehicles and search crews came back to the house.

It's not clear exactly what the crews are doing inside, but the search for evidence and DNA has been ramped up today.

Earlier Thursday, cadaver dogs were brought in to scour the woods and fields around the girl's home for any signs of the missing girl.

All morning, the dogs looked through and under a number of people's homes in Heleigh's neighborhood.

"They've been in my home," said neighbor James Batchelor. "They've torn it apart. All the buildings out there they've been in them twice."

The dogs are trained to specifically seek out human remains and are part of Canine South, a non-law-enforcement group specializing in canine searches.

Also, investigators want a DNA sample from Crystal Sheffield, the mother of Haleigh Cummings, the five-year-old who has been missing for over two weeks.

Thursday afternoon, detectives came looking for Sheffield, who had apparently gone to the doctor.

The detectives are trying to track her down after going to the wrong office. Investigators would not comment on what type of DNA sample they need, or why.

"Today's search is not in response to leads received from the family or the public, but as a routine procedure that has proven itself in other missing child cases," said Captain Dick Schauland with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office. "This search is being conducted to insure that no possibility is overlooked in the search for Haleigh."

Ron Wirth, a former FBI agent who's been doing general analysis on the investigation as a representative of First Coast Crime Stoppers, says the move to get the DNA from Haleigh's mother may be about evidence.

"They may be seeking the biological mother's DNA to establish a basis for test comparisons on items that they have found, or will find, to positively identify or eliminate those items as evidence in this matter," said Wirth.

Wirth says the new search with cadaver dogs is also not unusual at this stage in the investigation.

"If a body began to deteriorate you might get some gasses that the dogs could hit on," said Wirth.

Thursday's ground search is the first major organized effort in some time.

Investigators have been chasing false leads across the First Coast and in Tennessee since shifting the search for Haleigh to more of an investigative approach in the case last week.

The family spoke briefly to the media Thursday afternoon. Teresa Neves, Haleigh's grandmother, expressed concern over the dwindling crowds of media. She also said Ronald Cummings and his 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin, are still together as a couple.

The reward for information leading to Haleigh is up to $26,500. Call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS if you have any information. You will remain anonymous and could recieve a cash reward if your information leads to an arrest.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 04:47:45 PM
O/T but for WS members.  This is horrible if true, read the comments.  Just proves sometimes you just never know:

http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=613&cpage=1#comment-11550

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Searching on February 26, 2009, 04:49:35 PM
OMG.... On HLN they just said Detectives ASKED her for a DNA sample and she said no,can not do it,have Dr. appointment and now they can not find her....    ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 04:52:13 PM
O/T but for WS members.  This is horrible if true, read the comments.  Just proves sometimes you just never know:

http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=613&cpage=1#comment-11550

Thanks Klaasend. OMG!

"Windchime" from WS is a SO?

Stunned.





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 04:56:12 PM
OMG.... On HLN they just said Detectives ASKED her for a DNA sample and she said no,can not do it,have Dr. appointment and now they can not find her....    ::MonkeyShocked::


I saw that Searcher. Wow, the HLN guy said "Bio mom is missing!"

Call me jaded, but I take that with a grain of salt after Nancy Grace's et al infinite "BOMBSHELLS!!"

IOW, is it possible that they are temporarily unable to locate her at the moment and for shock value choose to word it as, "MISSING!!"?  Or is she really missing missing?

Curious-er and curious-er.....






Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 04:57:12 PM

Sorry I meant poster, SEARCHING not searcher.


 ::MonkeyCool::






Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 04:57:48 PM
Thanks Wyks, I never knew that before with cadaver dogs, very interesting.

You're welcome no rose!  We learned a lot of interesting things about cadaver dogs.  They can even get the scent of remains under cement!   ::MonkeyEek::
And interesting to me is that LE will often use a tracker dog first, and if/when it stops or loses the scent, then they bring in a cadaver dog to that area. 

In the Stacy Peterson case, the cadaver dog was used first, taken thru her home, and then went into full alert at the garage door.  Yet nothing was found.  Which told the handler and LE that her body was placed into a vehicle and removed from the area.  So LE then brings the tracker dogs out.  LE often will go back and forth between their use of tracking/cadaver dogs, depending on the case. 

In the Laci Peterson case, tracking dogs caught her scent in the middle of her street, and tracked her down a freeway, thru a marina, and off the dock into the water.  She washed ashore downstream. 

It may sound ominous in Haleigh's case to be using cadaver dogs, yeah.  However, if she's around there, tracking dogs and/or cadaver dogs will very likely be the ones who find her.  If I were the parent of a missing child, it would comfort me to know that LE was doing everything they possibly could to find my child.  Yeah, even if.......  I'd rather know what happened and be able to put my child's body at rest, than to never ever know and always be wondering. 

Tracking dogs and cadaver dogs are, IMO, America's four-footed heroes. 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 04:58:21 PM
OMG.... On HLN they just said Detectives ASKED her for a DNA sample and she said no,can not do it,have Dr. appointment and now they can not find her....    ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: GabbyG on February 26, 2009, 04:59:08 PM
I apologize for my double post, not a clue how that happened!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: flamom on February 26, 2009, 04:59:55 PM
Zebras dont change their stripes, and young people using drugs are slow to change and fairly predictable with their drug use. What I am wondering is what did Ron and Misty do first, call 911 or clear out their assorted drug stashes and paraphenalia before the cops came? I believe he had nothing to do with his baby going missing, but I can see him tossing and flushing while he was cursing and pacing.....  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 05:00:25 PM
O/T but for WS members.  This is horrible if true, read the comments.  Just proves sometimes you just never know:

http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=613&cpage=1#comment-11550

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

holy crap. its true tho, they are everywhere! ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 05:03:01 PM
Zebras dont change their stripes, and young people using drugs are slow to change and fairly predictable with their drug use. What I am wondering is what did Ron and Misty do first, call 911 or clear out their assorted drug stashes and paraphenalia before the cops came? I believe he had nothing to do with his baby going missing, but I can see him tossing and flushing while he was cursing and pacing.....  ::MonkeyShocked::

id like to give him the benefit of the doubt and say haleigh was foremost on his mind, the cops wouldnt really focus on a headstash of weed when theres a child missing.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 05:03:26 PM

In Stacy Peterson's case, in a forum for that, we had a guest speaker who owns a cadaver dog, doing a Q&A about those dogs.  She said that when LE uses cadaver dogs and clear an area, they nearly always go back a second, sometimes a third time.  Their reasoning being that an area is not 'officially cleared' until the dogs go thru it again.  Not that they don't trust the dogs, but because in many cases the perp finds out where they cleared the first time and moves evidence/body into that area.  It's one reason that LE doesn't like to announce a search site, either before or after. 

 
Those dogs are amazing to me. Interesting point about the multiple searches. Also, I wonder if the state of decomposition makes a difference in how readily a dog "hits" on an area? IOW, for example, day 14 as opposed to day 4.... so would they go back to an area of interest after more days pass?


There sure is a difference in decomp between day 1 and day 14.  To humans and testing, etc.  To a cadaver dog's nose tho, it's my understanding that there's no difference in the decomp no matter what day or stage that decomp is at.  Decomp is decomp to their noses, from day 1 onward. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 05:03:50 PM
O/T but for WS members.  This is horrible if true, read the comments.  Just proves sometimes you just never know:

http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=613&cpage=1#comment-11550

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

Klaasend, is it OK if I post this? (Don't want to inadvertently faux pas.) I'm unclear as to whether this "windchime" person is the admin or co-admin of WS or what.

Websleuths' "Windchime" Criminal Record

((edit - I'd prefer people go to the links and decide for themselves ))

http://truthaboutws.createmybb2.com/showthread.php?tid=4 (http://truthaboutws.createmybb2.com/showthread.php?tid=4)







Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Blink34 on February 26, 2009, 05:04:10 PM
O/T but for WS members.  This is horrible if true, read the comments.  Just proves sometimes you just never know:

http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=613&cpage=1#comment-11550

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

SO-

Anything going on new I might have missed?


PPPFFFFFFFTtt


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 05:05:59 PM

The part about them chasing her down and trying to locate where she is is frightening. If they hadn't found anything substantial, wouldn't they simply wait until she got back from wherever?... as you just mentioned.



i would think so, i know time is always of the essence when looking for missing kids, why send people who could be working on other things on an errand to hunt her down if the delay is only an hour or two in getting her dna? i mean why do they need it now as opposed to lets say 4pm est?

Maybe it's a time thing?  Getting that DNA in before the lab workers leave for the day?  lol  Heck I dunno. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 05:06:39 PM

Thanks Klaasend, Wyks, and... one more person who raises/breeds dogs for the great articles and inside info on the search dogs. I find them fascinating, amazing and so helpful. (Doggie lover here)



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 05:12:09 PM

In Stacy Peterson's case, in a forum for that, we had a guest speaker who owns a cadaver dog, doing a Q&A about those dogs.  She said that when LE uses cadaver dogs and clear an area, they nearly always go back a second, sometimes a third time.  Their reasoning being that an area is not 'officially cleared' until the dogs go thru it again.  Not that they don't trust the dogs, but because in many cases the perp finds out where they cleared the first time and moves evidence/body into that area.  It's one reason that LE doesn't like to announce a search site, either before or after. 

 
Those dogs are amazing to me. Interesting point about the multiple searches. Also, I wonder if the state of decomposition makes a difference in how readily a dog "hits" on an area? IOW, for example, day 14 as opposed to day 4.... so would they go back to an area of interest after more days pass?


There sure is a difference in decomp between day 1 and day 14.  To humans and testing, etc.  To a cadaver dog's nose tho, it's my understanding that there's no difference in the decomp no matter what day or stage that decomp is at.  Decomp is decomp to their noses, from day 1 onward. 


those dogs are simply awesome. ive seen demos of them at work, and the way they can hone in to even a small trace is amazing.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: nonesuche on February 26, 2009, 05:13:02 PM
O/T but for WS members.  This is horrible if true, read the comments.  Just proves sometimes you just never know:

http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=613&cpage=1#comment-11550

Does this mean the predators are now infiltrating in this way? I don't belong to WS but geez this does appear to be horrible?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 05:14:34 PM
OMG.... On HLN they just said Detectives ASKED her for a DNA sample and she said no,can not do it,have Dr. appointment and now they can not find her....    ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

This is shocking on so many levels.

First, you'd think they'd already have samples from bio mom and dad.

Second, if they asked for anything from a parent related to their missing child, it seems that would certainly take precedence over any appointment or anything else.

Peanut, you and I are no doubt watching the same HLN broadcast - and to add what you already said - the guy (don't know his name.... HLN guy) said that bio mom said NO CAN DO to the DNA sample request and promptly jumped in the car.

They thought OK no biggy.... we know who her doctor is.... we'll just find her there; But she wasn't there.

Did I hear that right?

 YIKES... what on earth?



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Rob on February 26, 2009, 05:15:06 PM
Klaas- Windchime was a member here before the crash in '05 and posted in the NH threads. Thanks for the heads up  :arrow:       :cyclopsani: Somehow I am not surprised  ::MonkeyNoNo::

***

As for Crystal - a court order to seize her tooth brush will suffice until she is located. A hairbrush will work just as well in the meantime. Obviously, this is a major issue and any mother that will not give a DNA sample immediately is a real "piece of work".

Beth Holloway basically ran to the Oduber hospital to give a sample on 6-12-2005. Anyone truly concerned about the wealth fare of her CHILD would move mountains to help. This is a true insight into why Crystal does not have custody.

Prayers for Haleigh



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: nonesuche on February 26, 2009, 05:15:14 PM
Zebras dont change their stripes, and young people using drugs are slow to change and fairly predictable with their drug use. What I am wondering is what did Ron and Misty do first, call 911 or clear out their assorted drug stashes and paraphenalia before the cops came? I believe he had nothing to do with his baby going missing, but I can see him tossing and flushing while he was cursing and pacing.....  ::MonkeyShocked::

Due to OSHA compliance he would likely lose his job asap if he failed a drug test or was arrested for drug possession......at the very least an arrest for possession would trigger a drug test with his employer. He operates heavy machinery......


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 26, 2009, 05:15:51 PM
Klaas- Windchime was a member here before the crash in '05 and posted in the NH threads. Thanks for the heads up  :arrow:       :cyclopsani: Somehow I am not surprised  ::MonkeyNoNo::

***

As for Crystal - a court order to seize her tooth brush will suffice until she is located. A hairbrush will work just as well in the meantime. Obviously, this is a major issue and any mother that will not give a DNA sample immediately is a real "piece of work".

Beth Holloway basically ran to the Oduber hospital to give a sample on 6-12-2005. Anyone truly concerned about the wealth fare of her CHILD would move mountains to help. This is a true insight into why Crystal does not have custody.

Prayers for Haleigh



Rob - good to see you!  Was her nickname Windchime here at SM?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Anna on February 26, 2009, 05:16:41 PM
O/T but for WS members.  This is horrible if true, read the comments.  Just proves sometimes you just never know:

http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=613&cpage=1#comment-11550

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

Klaasend, is it OK if I post this? (Don't want to inadvertently faux pas.) I'm unclear as to whether this "windchime" person is the admin or co-admin of WS or what.

Websleuths' "Windchime" Criminal Record

((edit - I'd prefer people go to the links and decide for themselves ))

http://truthaboutws.createmybb2.com/showthread.php?tid=4 (http://truthaboutws.createmybb2.com/showthread.php?tid=4)









Add my  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: to this.

Yes, you certainly NEVER know who is on the other side of that keyboard.


.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 05:17:43 PM


Tracking dogs and cadaver dogs are, IMO, America's four-footed heroes. 



[snipped and bolded]

WORD!!

Side note: I ran across a great article on this subject that I bet you'd really enjoy. I'll see if I can find it; But there's so much going on at the moment. YIKES again.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 05:19:50 PM
OMG.... On HLN they just said Detectives ASKED her for a DNA sample and she said no,can not do it,have Dr. appointment and now they can not find her....    ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

This is shocking on so many levels.

First, you'd think they'd already have samples from bio mom and dad.

Second, if they asked for anything from a parent related to their missing child, it seems that would certainly take precedence over any appointment or anything else.

Peanut, you and I are no doubt watching the same HLN broadcast - and to add what you already said - the guy (don't know his name.... HLN guy) said that bio mom said NO CAN DO to the DNA sample request and promptly jumped in the car.

They thought OK no biggy.... we know who her doctor is.... we'll just find her there; But she wasn't there.

Did I hear that right?

 YIKES... what on earth?



*nods*

this is just bizzare, why would she refuse? and why isnt she where she said she was going?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 26, 2009, 05:19:59 PM
O/T but for WS members.  This is horrible if true, read the comments.  Just proves sometimes you just never know:

http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=613&cpage=1#comment-11550

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

Klaasend, is it OK if I post this? (Don't want to inadvertently faux pas.) I'm unclear as to whether this "windchime" person is the admin or co-admin of WS or what.

Websleuths' "Windchime" Criminal Record

((edit - I'd prefer people go to the links and decide for themselves ))

http://truthaboutws.createmybb2.com/showthread.php?tid=4 (http://truthaboutws.createmybb2.com/showthread.php?tid=4)









Add my  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: to this.

Yes, you certainly NEVER know who is on the other side of that keyboard.



One good reason to keep personal information just that. Personal.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 05:21:23 PM
O/T but for WS members.  This is horrible if true, read the comments.  Just proves sometimes you just never know:

http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=613&cpage=1#comment-11550

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked::

Wonder if this is true.  From reading around the web, there seems to be several who don't like the powers that be over at WS, and might go to great lengths in trying to bring them down.  I hope that this report isn't true, that it's part of some kind of vendetta.  Yet even that would be very sad as well. 

I'm so glad to be a member at SM.  This kind of stuff just doesn't happen here.  (knock on wood!  lol)

 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Rob on February 26, 2009, 05:23:16 PM
Rob - good to see you!  Was her nickname Windchime here at SM?

Always my pleasure to see you too Klaas. I got your email and I have been meaning to reply, and I promise I will. I was not ignoring you... just didn't know where to start...Thank you for your concern - it means the world to me. You are a doll. And I saw all you were going thru with the new hate site. You have my thoughts and prayers always. No one should have to deal with that - let alone someone so devoted to missing children and crime victims. You will always have my respect!!

Yes, her name was Windchime and she had the Avi with the cat with the melon on it's head as a helmet. Sometimes having a photographic memory is hell!  ::MonkeyTongue::





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 05:23:17 PM
OMG.... On HLN they just said Detectives ASKED her for a DNA sample and she said no,can not do it,have Dr. appointment and now they can not find her....    ::MonkeyShocked::


(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/monkey%20fun/monkeyshocked.jpg)



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 05:24:17 PM
O/T but for WS members.  This is horrible if true, read the comments.  Just proves sometimes you just never know:

http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=613&cpage=1#comment-11550

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

Klaasend, is it OK if I post this? (Don't want to inadvertently faux pas.) I'm unclear as to whether this "windchime" person is the admin or co-admin of WS or what.

Websleuths' "Windchime" Criminal Record

((edit - I'd prefer people go to the links and decide for themselves ))

http://truthaboutws.createmybb2.com/showthread.php?tid=4 (http://truthaboutws.createmybb2.com/showthread.php?tid=4)









Add my  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: to this.

Yes, you certainly NEVER know who is on the other side of that keyboard.



One good reason to keep personal information just that. Personal.

id quote this 100 times if i could.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 05:24:37 PM
In Stacy Peterson's case, in a forum for that, we had a guest speaker who owns a cadaver dog, doing a Q&A about those dogs.  She said that when LE uses cadaver dogs and clear an area, they nearly always go back a second, sometimes a third time.  Their reasoning being that an area is not 'officially cleared' until the dogs go thru it again.  Not that they don't trust the dogs, but because in many cases the perp finds out where they cleared the first time and moves evidence/body into that area.  It's one reason that LE doesn't like to announce a search site, either before or after. 

Those dogs are amazing to me. Interesting point about the multiple searches. Also, I wonder if the state of decomposition makes a difference in how readily a dog "hits" on an area? IOW, for example, day 14 as opposed to day 4.... so would they go back to an area of interest after more days pass?

There sure is a difference in decomp between day 1 and day 14.  To humans and testing, etc.  To a cadaver dog's nose tho, it's my understanding that there's no difference in the decomp no matter what day or stage that decomp is at.  Decomp is decomp to their noses, from day 1 onward. 


Ok.. good to know. Somehow I thought that the gases that emanate become more pungent, but I guess that would apply to far less sensitive human noses. :-)

So since the dogs are super sensitive they can sniff out decomp on day 1?

I'm such a pain with infinite questions, but as to -  for example, day 4 vs day, say, day 14 would humidity and temp figure into that at all? Or it wouldn't matter b/c the dogs can pick it up day 1 regardless? TIA  ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 05:27:43 PM
O/T but for WS members.  This is horrible if true, read the comments.  Just proves sometimes you just never know:

http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=613&cpage=1#comment-11550

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

Klaasend, is it OK if I post this? (Don't want to inadvertently faux pas.) I'm unclear as to whether this "windchime" person is the admin or co-admin of WS or what.

Websleuths' "Windchime" Criminal Record

((edit - I'd prefer people go to the links and decide for themselves ))

http://truthaboutws.createmybb2.com/showthread.php?tid=4 (http://truthaboutws.createmybb2.com/showthread.php?tid=4)





 Ooops! Okee dokey (sorry for the paste) :-)






Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: flamom on February 26, 2009, 05:30:12 PM
O/T but for WS members.  This is horrible if true, read the comments.  Just proves sometimes you just never know:

http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=613&cpage=1#comment-11550

Thanks Klaasend. OMG!

"Windchime" from WS is a SO?

Stunned.




I wonder what state she lives in.. I went to the FDLE website and ran all 3 last names thru the database with no results..  ::MonkeyEek::
Nothing surprises me anymore.
It may explain the day at BP with LP she sat at a picnic table all day smoking and flashing her moose knuckle at all of us watching via Murt's webcam  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 05:30:18 PM
Klaas- Windchime was a member here before the crash in '05 and posted in the NH threads. Thanks for the heads up  :arrow:       :cyclopsani: Somehow I am not surprised  ::MonkeyNoNo::

***

As for Crystal - a court order to seize her tooth brush will suffice until she is located. A hairbrush will work just as well in the meantime. Obviously, this is a major issue and any mother that will not give a DNA sample immediately is a real "piece of work".

Beth Holloway basically ran to the Oduber hospital to give a sample on 6-12-2005. Anyone truly concerned about the wealth fare of her CHILD would move mountains to help. This is a true insight into why Crystal does not have custody.

Prayers for Haleigh



Hi Rob, good to see you again!   (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/wavehi.gif)



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 05:30:18 PM
O/T but for WS members.  This is horrible if true, read the comments.  Just proves sometimes you just never know:

http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=613&cpage=1#comment-11550

Does this mean the predators are now infiltrating in this way? I don't belong to WS but geez this does appear to be horrible?



Horrible on any scale, but for a child advocate-oriented site. I can't stop saying Yikes! and Word!!






Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 05:32:37 PM


Tracking dogs and cadaver dogs are, IMO, America's four-footed heroes. 



[snipped and bolded]

WORD!!

Side note: I ran across a great article on this subject that I bet you'd really enjoy. I'll see if I can find it; But there's so much going on at the moment. YIKES again.



Yeah there is.   ::MonkeyEek:: 

But if you find it, I'd love to read it! 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 05:33:20 PM
Klaas- Windchime was a member here before the crash in '05 and posted in the NH threads. Thanks for the heads up  :arrow:       :cyclopsani: Somehow I am not surprised  ::MonkeyNoNo::

***

As for Crystal - a court order to seize her tooth brush will suffice until she is located. A hairbrush will work just as well in the meantime. Obviously, this is a major issue and any mother that will not give a DNA sample immediately is a real "piece of work".

Beth Holloway basically ran to the Oduber hospital to give a sample on 6-12-2005. Anyone truly concerned about the wealth fare of her CHILD would move mountains to help. This is a true insight into why Crystal does not have custody.

Prayers for Haleigh


Yes and yes.

Not to hijack the topic but I do recall that about Beth. (And I'm one of the few still thinking and praying that Nat is alive.)





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dogmom4 on February 26, 2009, 05:33:29 PM
OMG.... On HLN they just said Detectives ASKED her for a DNA sample and she said no,can not do it,have Dr. appointment and now they can not find her....    ::MonkeyShocked::
She can run but she can't hide, she will be found! ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Rob on February 26, 2009, 05:34:08 PM
Hi Rob, good to see you again!   (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/wavehi.gif)



Hi ya Wyks!!  :smt059 Good to "see" you again too!!

Hopefully little Haleigh's disappearance will have a much better outcome than Caylee Anthony - I'm hopeful, but not stoopid!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 26, 2009, 05:36:02 PM
OMG.... On HLN they just said Detectives ASKED her for a DNA sample and she said no,can not do it,have Dr. appointment and now they can not find her....    ::MonkeyShocked::
She can run but she can't hide, she will be found! ::MonkeyEek::

Just because LE cannot locate her right away does not mean she is hiding, IMO.

But as Rob said, a mother who does not drop everything to give DNA under these circumstances, well, yeah. A piece of work.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 05:37:02 PM

this is just bizzare, why would she refuse? and why isnt she where she said she was going?


I have no idea how this will play out here, but at the moment it sure looks like some serious 'splainin is in order.




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 05:39:04 PM
Rob - good to see you!  Was her nickname Windchime here at SM?

Always my pleasure to see you too Klaas. I got your email and I have been meaning to reply, and I promise I will. I was not ignoring you... just didn't know where to start...Thank you for your concern - it means the world to me. You are a doll. And I saw all you were going thru with the new hate site. You have my thoughts and prayers always. No one should have to deal with that - let alone someone so devoted to missing children and crime victims. You will always have my respect!!

Yes, her name was Windchime and she had the Avi with the cat with the melon on it's head as a helmet. Sometimes having a photographic memory is hell!  ::MonkeyTongue::


OMG!  Had the misfortune to be part of the 'forum wars of 2008' in the Stacy Peterson case, and THE one at the center of all the trouble had that as her avi.  Forum admin there as well.  Not to mention having caused horrific chaos in another missing persons site a few years prior to that.  Gulp!  Her nic wasn't windchime, but it turns out she had quite a slew of nics she had chosen and was running from.  A SO, yes, as it turns out, among other things.  Wonder if she's the same as windchime?  Yikes!   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: dogmom4 on February 26, 2009, 05:40:47 PM
OMG.... On HLN they just said Detectives ASKED her for a DNA sample and she said no,can not do it,have Dr. appointment and now they can not find her....    ::MonkeyShocked::
She can run but she can't hide, she will be found! ::MonkeyEek::

Just because LE cannot locate her right away does not mean she is hiding, IMO.

But as Rob said, a mother who does not drop everything to give DNA under these circumstances, well, yeah. A piece of work.
It was just kind of a figure of speech, But THX so much for clearing that up for me.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: flamom on February 26, 2009, 05:44:00 PM
Nice to see you Rob! Wish you would drop in more often! :smt039
Crystal has seemed very flat the whole time.. weird way to react but I have been trying to give them all the benefit of the doubt and try to remain objective.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 05:44:26 PM

this is just bizzare, why would she refuse? and why isnt she where she said she was going?


I have no idea how this will play out here, but at the moment it sure looks like some serious 'splainin is in order.




i would think so. if they were sending out cadaver dogs to search for my missing child, i would be on site and not budge for anything. if god forbid i had to go elsewhere everyone from le and all my family and friends would be alerted and provided a gazillion ways of contacting me asap.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: OriginalKat on February 26, 2009, 05:44:31 PM
Is Crystal and her mom still missing? I think something is up if a mom won't give her DNA and has a daughter missing.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 05:46:53 PM

Here's a "find and share" professional documents search site with additional legal forms, templates etc FWIW; They have various tools and widgets for finding and sharing all kinds of info and docs.

Could it be a case of name confusion or some kind of mistake? It's just chilling if it's true.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4494221/Criminal-Record-Summary (http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4494221/Criminal-Record-Summary)




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 26, 2009, 05:47:18 PM
OMG.... On HLN they just said Detectives ASKED her for a DNA sample and she said no,can not do it,have Dr. appointment and now they can not find her....    ::MonkeyShocked::
She can run but she can't hide, she will be found! ::MonkeyEek::

Just because LE cannot locate her right away does not mean she is hiding, IMO.

But as Rob said, a mother who does not drop everything to give DNA under these circumstances, well, yeah. A piece of work.
It was just kind of a figure of speech, But THX so much for clearing that up for me.

I hope you were not being sarcastic.
 ::MonkeyEek::

The reason I mentioned it is because if you listen to the media, they are spectacularizing (not a word, but it should be. LOL) it as if she is on the lam! Trying to get good ratings, I guess.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 05:48:59 PM
Is Crystal and her mom still missing? I think something is up if a mom won't give her DNA and has a daughter missing.



Maternal grandma is missing too?

Oh lo.....






Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Rob on February 26, 2009, 05:51:05 PM
Rob - good to see you!  Was her nickname Windchime here at SM?

Always my pleasure to see you too Klaas. I got your email and I have been meaning to reply, and I promise I will. I was not ignoring you... just didn't know where to start...Thank you for your concern - it means the world to me. You are a doll. And I saw all you were going thru with the new hate site. You have my thoughts and prayers always. No one should have to deal with that - let alone someone so devoted to missing children and crime victims. You will always have my respect!!

Yes, her name was Windchime and she had the Avi with the cat with the melon on it's head as a helmet. Sometimes having a photographic memory is hell!  ::MonkeyTongue::


OMG!  Had the misfortune to be part of the 'forum wars of 2008' in the Stacy Peterson case, and THE one at the center of all the trouble had that as her avi.  Forum admin there as well.  Not to mention having caused horrific chaos in another missing persons site a few years prior to that.  Gulp!  Her nic wasn't windchime, but it turns out she had quite a slew of nics she had chosen and was running from.  A SO, yes, as it turns out, among other things.  Wonder if she's the same as windchime?  Yikes!   


Wyks, I have posted many times that forum members should NOT be sleuthing each other. It's just not good policy and really doesn't help a CRIME VICTIM.

If all we did was investigate each other nothing would ever be accomplished and a forum like SM is a VICTIM'S RIGHTS board.

As for what Princess did - well, that's a blog and surely hers to do as she wishes and sees fit. I think she did a good service and could really prevent something horrible from happening. Couldya just imagine the headlines had a "future" victimization had occurred? It would be horrible and would cast a bad light on the good that most of us try to do on these boards.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: eyecanCOOK on February 26, 2009, 05:54:16 PM
I know that Crystal seems to be a person that could not be trusted, nor Misty or Ronald...but....there is always two sides to a story....I am convinced by Ronald's body language and the 911 tapes that he fits the typical abuser persona...and that puts a huge wrench in the mix. Just voicing my thoughts as I have watched this story unfold....But IMHO I believe that Ronald is genuine in his grief...but very ungenuine in his appreciation of the opposite sex, that does not diminish that fact that a beautiful young girl is missing...but is does cloud the veracity of the woman involved...poor ladies...I feel bad for them that they got mixed up with him.  Sorry if this upsets anyone but I see it in his face.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 05:54:56 PM
OMG.... On HLN they just said Detectives ASKED her for a DNA sample and she said no,can not do it,have Dr. appointment and now they can not find her....    ::MonkeyShocked::
She can run but she can't hide, she will be found! ::MonkeyEek::

Just because LE cannot locate her right away does not mean she is hiding, IMO.

But as Rob said, a mother who does not drop everything to give DNA under these circumstances, well, yeah. A piece of work.
It was just kind of a figure of speech, But THX so much for clearing that up for me.

I hope you were not being sarcastic.
 ::MonkeyEek::

The reason I mentioned it is because if you listen to the media, they are spectacularizing (not a word, but it should be. LOL) it as if she is on the lam! Trying to get good ratings, I guess.



 aka the obligatory BOMBSHELL!! exclamation exclamation?

Or is it like that teaser at 5 PM... "Could there be something in your home right now that could kill you all by a slow agonizing death? .....News at 11. "

Then after you're white-knuckling it til 11, they say, "Well, if you don't have asbestos in your thermal insulation b/c it was banned in 1986, then you're in the clear!! No biggy!!"

 ::MonkeyCool::







Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 05:55:08 PM
In Stacy Peterson's case, in a forum for that, we had a guest speaker who owns a cadaver dog, doing a Q&A about those dogs.  She said that when LE uses cadaver dogs and clear an area, they nearly always go back a second, sometimes a third time.  Their reasoning being that an area is not 'officially cleared' until the dogs go thru it again.  Not that they don't trust the dogs, but because in many cases the perp finds out where they cleared the first time and moves evidence/body into that area.  It's one reason that LE doesn't like to announce a search site, either before or after. 

Those dogs are amazing to me. Interesting point about the multiple searches. Also, I wonder if the state of decomposition makes a difference in how readily a dog "hits" on an area? IOW, for example, day 14 as opposed to day 4.... so would they go back to an area of interest after more days pass?

There sure is a difference in decomp between day 1 and day 14.  To humans and testing, etc.  To a cadaver dog's nose tho, it's my understanding that there's no difference in the decomp no matter what day or stage that decomp is at.  Decomp is decomp to their noses, from day 1 onward. 


Ok.. good to know. Somehow I thought that the gases that emanate become more pungent, but I guess that would apply to far less sensitive human noses. :-)

So since the dogs are super sensitive they can sniff out decomp on day 1?

I'm such a pain with infinite questions, but as to -  for example, day 4 vs day, say, day 14 would humidity and temp figure into that at all? Or it wouldn't matter b/c the dogs can pick it up day 1 regardless? TIA  ::MonkeyCool::



Right, decomp becomes more pungent to *our* noses as time goes on.  Cadaver dogs can pick that out from the moment of death on, even before we humans can smell it.  That's because the human body, at the moment of death, begin the decomp process and gases build up and are released.  Cadaver dogs are trained on that odor, and yes their noses are super sensitive.  So it is from day 1, regardless of any other factor such as weather, surroundings, etc.  Yeppers. 

You are not a pain!  No worries, k?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm just as amazed at the dogs who are trained to spot cancer in humans.  I've seen them put thru their paces and OMG, they are amazing! 

Am guessing one reason I am such a nut over dogs trained for specific things, is because I have a service dog.  I have a heart condition, and my doxie (who is such a pain in the @ss at times, lol) is highly trained to detect when my heart is getting ready to go wacko, and alerts me beforehand.  He knows longggggg before I do! 

He alerts, and I have to give him a cue to settle, (which tells him thank you I am now aware), otherwise he will set up a fuss if we are in public that will draw attention to me, or at home he will pull the alarm which calls 911.  We've gone thru this 3 times now and he's never been wrong, has saved my life each time.  God love him. 

But ohhhhhh at other times he's such a little beast!   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Sneaking my chocolate, (among other things), tries taking down huge dogs when he only comes up to their ankles.   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 05:59:01 PM
I know that Crystal seems to be a person that could not be trusted, nor Misty or Ronald...but....there is always two sides to a story....I am convinced by Ronald's body language and the 911 tapes that he fits the typical abuser persona...and that puts a huge wrench in the mix. Just voicing my thoughts as I have watched this story unfold....But IMHO I believe that Ronald is genuine in his grief...but very ungenuine in his appreciation of the opposite sex, that does not diminish that fact that a beautiful young girl is missing...but is does cloud the veracity of the woman involved...poor ladies...I feel bad for them that they got mixed up with him.  Sorry if this upsets anyone but I see it in his face.


Same here. I agree and had the same reactions and feelings. I still do.....





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 05:59:16 PM
OMG.... On HLN they just said Detectives ASKED her for a DNA sample and she said no,can not do it,have Dr. appointment and now they can not find her....    ::MonkeyShocked::
She can run but she can't hide, she will be found! ::MonkeyEek::

Maybe LE should set the tracking dogs on her!!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Rob on February 26, 2009, 06:00:14 PM
Nice to see you Rob! Wish you would drop in more often! :smt039
Crystal has seemed very flat the whole time.. weird way to react but I have been trying to give them all the benefit of the doubt and try to remain objective.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Good to see you too flamom!!

I concur - Crystal has shown very very little emotion - and it's not a normal maternal instinct if you ask me, but then again, some people should not have children. I think we all know that. <<shrugs>>


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 26, 2009, 06:01:35 PM
Rob - good to see you!  Was her nickname Windchime here at SM?

Always my pleasure to see you too Klaas. I got your email and I have been meaning to reply, and I promise I will. I was not ignoring you... just didn't know where to start...Thank you for your concern - it means the world to me. You are a doll. And I saw all you were going thru with the new hate site. You have my thoughts and prayers always. No one should have to deal with that - let alone someone so devoted to missing children and crime victims. You will always have my respect!!

Yes, her name was Windchime and she had the Avi with the cat with the melon on it's head as a helmet. Sometimes having a photographic memory is hell!  ::MonkeyTongue::




Sorry to take so long to respond.  Got sidetracked to the hardware store, LOL

I think it was CHIMES not Windchime but could be the same person...I'm not sure though.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 06:01:35 PM
Hi Rob, good to see you again!   (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/wavehi.gif)



Hi ya Wyks!!  :smt059 Good to "see" you again too!!

Hopefully little Haleigh's disappearance will have a much better outcome than Caylee Anthony - I'm hopeful, but not stoopid!

Yeah.. we can only hope, and pray. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 26, 2009, 06:01:45 PM
HLN is reporting a cordoned off area .2 miles from Haleigh's house. They are concentrating on a dumpster!



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 26, 2009, 06:02:08 PM
Well, I guess ( the media ) need to have these bombshells.
I am going to try to not get wigged out about this, it will be ' splained. Most likely.
Why don't they just phone her ? I bet she's not missing at all, she might not even know about this. However, I am very surprised that the cadaver doggies were just brought in recently. 
See y'all later.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 06:03:21 PM
HLN is reporting a cordoned off area .2 miles from Haleigh's house. They are concentrating on a dumpster!



im watching it now, omg.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: eyecanCOOK on February 26, 2009, 06:04:13 PM
HLN is reporting a cordoned off area .2 miles from Haleigh's house. They are concentrating on a dumpster!


praying to God that it is not what we think it is


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 26, 2009, 06:06:25 PM
HLN is reporting a cordoned off area .2 miles from Haleigh's house. They are concentrating on a dumpster!


praying to God that it is not what we think it is

Wouldn't it have been emptied by now?



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 06:06:57 PM
Right, decomp becomes more pungent to *our* noses as time goes on.  Cadaver dogs can pick that out from the moment of death on, even before we humans can smell it.  That's because the human body, at the moment of death, begin the decomp process and gases build up and are released.  Cadaver dogs are trained on that odor, and yes their noses are super sensitive.  So it is from day 1, regardless of any other factor such as weather, surroundings, etc.  Yeppers. 

You are not a pain!  No worries, k?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm just as amazed at the dogs who are trained to spot cancer in humans.  I've seen them put thru their paces and OMG, they are amazing! 

Am guessing one reason I am such a nut over dogs trained for specific things, is because I have a service dog.  I have a heart condition, and my doxie (who is such a pain in the @ss at times, lol) is highly trained to detect when my heart is getting ready to go wacko, and alerts me beforehand.  He knows longggggg before I do! 

He alerts, and I have to give him a cue to settle, (which tells him thank you I am now aware), otherwise he will set up a fuss if we are in public that will draw attention to me, or at home he will pull the alarm which calls 911.  We've gone thru this 3 times now and he's never been wrong, has saved my life each time.  God love him. 

But ohhhhhh at other times he's such a little beast!   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Sneaking my chocolate, (among other things), tries taking down huge dogs when he only comes up to their ankles.   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 


Not to go off into a left field tangent here, but bless your heart (literally) and your little doxie.

Quick side note: They have dogs who can pick up the tiniest peanut remnant for those who suffer with anaphylaxis risks etc due to severe peanut allergies such that if the patient steps on a shell with a bare  foot they have a severe, possibly fatal reaction. This is fairly new - to my knowledge - and truly amazing for pediatric patients whose lives were previously so limited like little prisoners in their own homes due to the danger.









Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 06:08:04 PM
The guests on the CNN report that implied there was no tears shed by Crystal Sheffield.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: .

Janet
________

Crystal Sheffield Mother of Missing Haleigh Cummings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OBfC3Zig3s



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pink angel on February 26, 2009, 06:08:10 PM
HLN LIVE!

They are searching the dumpster. It's taped off. Blue tarps down. They took pics before going in. They have a ladder. All wearing gloves.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: ospainter on February 26, 2009, 06:09:08 PM
Crystal was just on http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/530pm/default.aspx.

She said she has given DNA and wants the rumors to stop. She said the rumors are "bullcrap."

Also first coast reported that LE is searching a dumpster near where Ron's family is staying.

HLN is showing pics of the search.


OS



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pink angel on February 26, 2009, 06:10:16 PM
AMW:

This was either alerted by the dogs or another tip came in.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 26, 2009, 06:10:21 PM
HLN is reporting a cordoned off area .2 miles from Haleigh's house. They are concentrating on a dumpster!


praying to God that it is not what we think it is

Wouldn't it have been emptied by now?



Its look so bright there while they are emptying the dumpster.  Its in the east, so those shots can't be "live"--that part of FL is eastern time zone right?   :smt102


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pink angel on February 26, 2009, 06:11:22 PM
They have set up lights and a generator at the dumpster site.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 06:13:11 PM
The guests on the CNN report that implied there was no tears shed by Crystal Sheffield.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: .

Janet
________

Crystal Sheffield Mother of Missing Haleigh Cummings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OBfC3Zig3s



Yes, true that; But I guess I don't put much stock in the amount of TV crying. (moo)

Some people breakdown and are inconsolable off camera. Also Susan Smith cried her eyes out on TV.. so.....





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 06:13:19 PM
Rob - good to see you!  Was her nickname Windchime here at SM?

Always my pleasure to see you too Klaas. I got your email and I have been meaning to reply, and I promise I will. I was not ignoring you... just didn't know where to start...Thank you for your concern - it means the world to me. You are a doll. And I saw all you were going thru with the new hate site. You have my thoughts and prayers always. No one should have to deal with that - let alone someone so devoted to missing children and crime victims. You will always have my respect!!

Yes, her name was Windchime and she had the Avi with the cat with the melon on it's head as a helmet. Sometimes having a photographic memory is hell!  ::MonkeyTongue::


OMG!  Had the misfortune to be part of the 'forum wars of 2008' in the Stacy Peterson case, and THE one at the center of all the trouble had that as her avi.  Forum admin there as well.  Not to mention having caused horrific chaos in another missing persons site a few years prior to that.  Gulp!  Her nic wasn't windchime, but it turns out she had quite a slew of nics she had chosen and was running from.  A SO, yes, as it turns out, among other things.  Wonder if she's the same as windchime?  Yikes!   


Wyks, I have posted many times that forum members should NOT be sleuthing each other. It's just not good policy and really doesn't help a CRIME VICTIM.

If all we did was investigate each other nothing would ever be accomplished and a forum like SM is a VICTIM'S RIGHTS board.

As for what Princess did - well, that's a blog and surely hers to do as she wishes and sees fit. I think she did a good service and could really prevent something horrible from happening. Couldya just imagine the headlines had a "future" victimization had occurred? It would be horrible and would cast a bad light on the good that most of us try to do on these boards.



I agree Rob!!  Having experienced that kind of thing at those forums, I fled here, realizing the huge difference in attitudes and behaviors at this forum.  Here, we really are free to do our best to focus on helping to find a missing person, and that only.  It's what typically brings us to this forum, it's what the focus needs to be, IMO.  Whatever each of our strengths are in helping to understand a case, that's where the focus need be, not turning those on each other in a forum.  When that happens, it's usually the beginning of the end for that kind of forum.  I say God bless all the powers that be in SM, for running the best forum, keeping it safe and healthy for everyone! 
   


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 06:14:32 PM
AMW:

This was either alerted by the dogs or another tip came in.




I'm a doof; What is "AMW?"





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 26, 2009, 06:14:46 PM
HLN is reporting a cordoned off area .2 miles from Haleigh's house. They are concentrating on a dumpster!


praying to God that it is not what we think it is

Wouldn't it have been emptied by now?



Its look so bright there while they are emptying the dumpster.  Its in the east, so those shots can't be "live"--that part of FL is eastern time zone right?   :smt102

Shots are live. Still somewhat light out here in VA. Would be lighter still in FL.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 06:15:28 PM
HLN is reporting a cordoned off area .2 miles from Haleigh's house. They are concentrating on a dumpster!



Just reported on HLN that a cadaver dog has hit on that dumpster!   ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: ospainter on February 26, 2009, 06:15:34 PM
HLN is reporting a cadaver dog has hit on the dumpster.

OS



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Garden Gnome on February 26, 2009, 06:16:04 PM
It is still very light outside in FL.  We never get as dark as early as up north.  Closer to the equator and sun is a different angle.  Keeps us warmer too - 80 degrees today!   ::MonkeyTongue::

The cadaver dog hit on the dumpster?  Oh damn, I am watching now.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pink angel on February 26, 2009, 06:17:38 PM
AMW:

This was either alerted by the dogs or another tip came in.




I'm a doof; What is "AMW?"





America's Most Wanted Lady. LOL!
Sorry.


They said on HLN that a cadavar dog hit on the dumpster.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 06:17:52 PM
hln....

le had the info about what jr said he saw within the first 24 hours and wanted to keep that under wrap. crystal spilled the beans on natl tv and paternal grandma is very upset that she did, it is felt that this places the perps attention now on him. noones happy about it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 26, 2009, 06:18:01 PM
AMW:

This was either alerted by the dogs or another tip came in.




Yikes, MG just said cadaver dogs hit on the dumpster.  Of course it doesn't mean she's there.  I don't know that I can watch.

DH says I'm all wet about the night fall issue.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Mary on February 26, 2009, 06:18:15 PM
Dog has hit on dumpster at trailer park. They are going to take it apart. They
said it could be a false positive.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 06:18:36 PM
Crystal was just on http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/530pm/default.aspx.

She said she has given DNA and wants the rumors to stop. She said the rumors are "bullcrap."

Also first coast reported that LE is searching a dumpster near where Ron's family is staying.

HLN is showing pics of the search.


OS




So bio mom, Crystal, submit the DNA sample that they asked her for without any protest or running or hiding etc?

If so, wow, HLN really had a misleading headline; but I guess that's not the first time.








Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 06:20:14 PM
Not to go off into a left field tangent here, but bless your heart (literally) and your little doxie.

Quick side note: They have dogs who can pick up the tiniest peanut remnant for those who suffer with anaphylaxis risks etc due to severe peanut allergies such that if the patient steps on a shell with a bare  foot they have a severe, possibly fatal reaction. This is fairly new - to my knowledge - and truly amazing for pediatric patients whose lives were previously so limited like little prisoners in their own homes due to the danger.

Thank you, rana!   ::MonkeyWink::

And wow, hadn't heard of the dogs that can do this, what a great idea!  They are just amazing, amazing....


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Rob on February 26, 2009, 06:21:42 PM
Just guessin' here - but the authorities must have brought in a second cadaver dog to confirm the first "hit". I can't see them using the results of only one dog.

In my opinion, there must be a reason for this search.

These dogs are not infallible and Red even made a comment a year or so back that a dog once walked with in a few feet of the body and missed it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: JuJu on February 26, 2009, 06:23:24 PM
OMG.... On HLN they just said Detectives ASKED her for a DNA sample and she said no,can not do it,have Dr. appointment and now they can not find her....    ::MonkeyShocked::


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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 06:24:23 PM
HLN is reporting a cordoned off area .2 miles from Haleigh's house. They are concentrating on a dumpster!


praying to God that it is not what we think it is

Wouldn't it have been emptied by now?



Even if emptied, the scent would still remain. 

It may not be 'what we think it is', it may be evidence tossed out, such as rags or clothes, something used to clean up, etc. 

With one cadaver dog hitting on the dumpster, LE typically would bring in another to be sure.  Something like getting a 'second opinion', if you will, before tearing the dumpster apart piece by piece.  IMO


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: ospainter on February 26, 2009, 06:25:17 PM
Crystal was just on http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/530pm/default.aspx.

She said she has given DNA and wants the rumors to stop. She said the rumors are "bullcrap."

Also first coast reported that LE is searching a dumpster near where Ron's family is staying.

HLN is showing pics of the search.


OS




So bio mom, Crystal, submit the DNA sample that they asked her for without any protest or running or hiding etc?

If so, wow, HLN really had a misleading headline; but I guess that's not the first time.










Crystal did not go into detail, just said she has given her DNA and what I said above.

The reporting in this case leaves a lot to be desired imo.

OS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 06:28:09 PM
OMG.... On HLN they just said Detectives ASKED her for a DNA sample and she said no,can not do it,have Dr. appointment and now they can not find her....    ::MonkeyShocked::


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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 06:28:13 PM
HLN is reporting a cordoned off area .2 miles from Haleigh's house. They are concentrating on a dumpster!

Just reported on HLN that a cadaver dog has hit on that dumpster!   ::MonkeyShocked::


I'm off caffeine and a little slow... don't they always search dumpsters closeby immediately? We're two weeks in right?

And as Brandi said, wouldn't the dumpster have been emptied by now, that is,  if we're working from a start date of the 10th ro shortly thereafter? Unless it (whatever "it" is)  was just placed there recently.

For the dog experts, when the dogs hit on something, does that automatically mean human remains? IOW can it ever be something else?



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 06:30:35 PM


Sorry Wyks; We were posting on top of each other. You already answered my question.

Just saw it. .  ::MonkeyCool::






Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Rob on February 26, 2009, 06:30:49 PM
Choices ->

Survivor or the bombshell queen.

I'm not sure I'm in the mood for Nancy tonight  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 26, 2009, 06:31:07 PM
Dumpster being searched. Looks like an industrial or construction dumpster to me. Maybe is not emptied on a regular basis.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image47.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: darla on February 26, 2009, 06:31:37 PM
Are any of the local stations covering this live? If so does anyone have a link? TIA


Forgot my manners ....Hello Monkeys!!!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 06:33:55 PM
Crystal was just on http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/530pm/default.aspx.

She said she has given DNA and wants the rumors to stop. She said the rumors are "bullcrap."

Also first coast reported that LE is searching a dumpster near where Ron's family is staying.

HLN is showing pics of the search.

OS

So bio mom, Crystal, submitted the DNA sample that they asked her for without any protest or running or hiding etc?

If so, wow, HLN really had a misleading headline; but I guess that's not the first time.

Crystal did not go into detail, just said she has given her DNA and what I said above.

The reporting in this case leaves a lot to be desired imo.

OS


Thanks for that. I tried to open the link and my PC couldn't open it dangit.

 



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: theboyzmom on February 26, 2009, 06:34:04 PM
did HLN say the family HAD be notified of what is going on? Mark Klass said either that they had or had not but I am not sure.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 06:34:19 PM
HLN is reporting a cordoned off area .2 miles from Haleigh's house. They are concentrating on a dumpster!

Just reported on HLN that a cadaver dog has hit on that dumpster!   ::MonkeyShocked::


I'm off caffeine and a little slow... don't they always search dumpsters closeby immediately? We're two weeks in right?

And as Brandi said, wouldn't the dumpster have been emptied by now, that is,  if we're working from a start date of the 10th ro shortly thereafter? Unless it (whatever "it" is)  was just placed there recently.

For the dog experts, when the dogs hit on something, does that automatically mean human remains? IOW can it ever be something else?



As I mentioned above, it may not be 'what we think it is', it may be evidence tossed out, such as rags or clothes, something used to clean up, etc. 

This could be any kind of evidence tossed in there, even after the first group of cadaver dogs were brought thru.  Remember as I said earlier, typically what LE does is using a wave of dogs, for this very reason.  One group of dogs thru doesn't 'clear the area'.  LE waits and brings a second wave of dogs thru an area again, 'just in case' the perp may have moved evidence/body to the area already searched.  Many cases have been solved doing things this way.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 06:34:23 PM
 ::MonkeyEek:: Crystal is missing ::MonkeyShocked:: I actually had to work late this afternoon and come home and read she wouldn't give DNA and is missing~someone pls catch me up before I lose it............


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 06:34:55 PM
Dumpster being searched. Looks like an industrial or construction dumpster to me. Maybe is not emptied on a regular basis.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image47.jpg)

Good catch. I missed that.





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 26, 2009, 06:35:57 PM
Are any of the local stations covering this live? If so does anyone have a link? TIA


Forgot my manners ....Hello Monkeys!!!!!

I have been searching just for that. And I have come up empty handed. But HLN is showing it live now.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 06:36:02 PM


Sorry Wyks; We were posting on top of each other. You already answered my question.

Just saw it. .  ::MonkeyCool::

Yeah, that happens when things get going fast.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Rob on February 26, 2009, 06:36:40 PM
latest odds -

2 to 1 - George Anthony is on his way and was too devastated to be deposed tomorrow.

3 to 2 - Leonard Padilla is weaving in and outta traffic like a mad demon and will be on the scene for NG.

1 to 1 - JVM will look marvelous with her "Leather Tuscadero" hair-do.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: ospainter on February 26, 2009, 06:37:06 PM


OS

So bio mom, Crystal, submitted the DNA sample that they asked her for without any protest or running or hiding etc?

If so, wow, HLN really had a misleading headline; but I guess that's not the first time.

Crystal did not go into detail, just said she has given her DNA and what I said above.

The reporting in this case leaves a lot to be desired imo.

OS[/quote]


Thanks for that. I tried to open the link and my PC couldn't open it dangit.

 


[/quote]

Your welcome.

OS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 06:37:06 PM
Choices ->

Survivor or the bombshell queen.

I'm not sure I'm in the mood for Nancy tonight  ::MonkeyHaHa::



BWAH!!!  .  ::MonkeyLaugh::

A little bit of The Nance does go a long way. . . ::MonkeyHaHa::




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 06:37:39 PM
hln is still reporting crystals refusal to give dna and that she took off to a 'doctors appt'. they are reporting live.

so i dunno whos reporting it wrong.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 26, 2009, 06:38:14 PM
Choices ->

Survivor or the bombshell queen.

I'm not sure I'm in the mood for Nancy tonight  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 06:38:21 PM
Choices ->

Survivor or the bombshell queen.

I'm not sure I'm in the mood for Nancy tonight  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Might want to pick Survivor then.  Just heard that NG's producer (or someone like that) is on the scene.  (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/smiley-gahh.gif)


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pharlap on February 26, 2009, 06:38:23 PM
As I said earlier, the bio-mom has something to do with this, period... ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: akmom on February 26, 2009, 06:38:51 PM
    I am very hopeful that this is nothing.  They are not wearing masks, and I think if she were there they would need them


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 26, 2009, 06:38:57 PM
latest odds -

2 to 1 - George Anthony is on his way and was too devastated to be deposed tomorrow.

3 to 2 - Leonard Padilla is weaving in and outta traffic like a mad demon and will be on the scene for NG.

1 to 1 - JVM will look marvelous with her "Leather Tuscadero" hair-do.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

LOL! Thanks for the laugh, Rob.

I think we all needed that!

And nice to see you again.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: ospainter on February 26, 2009, 06:40:55 PM
hln is still reporting crystals refusal to give dna and that she took off to a 'doctors appt'. they are reporting live.

so i dunno whos reporting it wrong.

Hi Peanut,

I don't know either, but firstcoast did have Crystal live and she said had given DNA.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/530pm/default.aspx


Guess time will tell.

OS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 06:41:33 PM
latest odds -

2 to 1 - George Anthony is on his way and was too devastated to be deposed tomorrow.

3 to 2 - Leonard Padilla is weaving in and outta traffic like a mad demon and will be on the scene for NG.

1 to 1 - JVM will look marvelous with her "Leather Tuscadero" hair-do.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::   ::MonkeyLaugh:: 

LP may even ditch the vehicle and jump on a white horse to avoid the traffic!! 

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Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 26, 2009, 06:42:15 PM
HLN is reporting a cordoned off area .2 miles from Haleigh's house. They are concentrating on a dumpster!


praying to God that it is not what we think it is

Wouldn't it have been emptied by now?



Even if emptied, the scent would still remain. 

It may not be 'what we think it is', it may be evidence tossed out, such as rags or clothes, something used to clean up, etc. 

With one cadaver dog hitting on the dumpster, LE typically would bring in another to be sure.  Something like getting a 'second opinion', if you will, before tearing the dumpster apart piece by piece.  IMO



I have a friend in LE who trains K9s.  My understanding is that these aren't LE dogs that were involved in search today.  I would have an LE dog there since they are trained to a farethewell (no meaning to diminish the training the volunteers have on their dogs  :smt018), but to check those bags and such.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Today on February 26, 2009, 06:43:59 PM
Sorry if this has been asked.  Has there been any report on how often this dumpster is emptied? 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Rob on February 26, 2009, 06:44:34 PM
Choices ->

Survivor or the bombshell queen.

I'm not sure I'm in the mood for Nancy tonight  ::MonkeyHaHa::



BWAH!!!  .  ::MonkeyLaugh::

A little bit of The Nance does go a long way. . . ::MonkeyHaHa::




I love LOVE love that she is a victim's rights advocate yanno. And she is a crime victim herself. But lately she seems ahhh... ahhh.. is "cranky" the right word? i dunno... but she doesn't seem like herself... and to be honest rana - she seems unusually nasty.

I didn't see the the show where she took the gloves off on the Assthony's, but heard it was an all time classic.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 26, 2009, 06:47:40 PM
Sorry if this has been asked.  Has there been any report on how often this dumpster is emptied? 

No, it has not been reported. But it appears to be an industrial or commercial dumpster (like a construction dumpster) and they are probably not emptied on a regular basis.

I posted a picture of it a page back or so.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 06:47:50 PM
hln is still reporting crystals refusal to give dna and that she took off to a 'doctors appt'. they are reporting live.

so i dunno whos reporting it wrong.

Hi Peanut,

I don't know either, but firstcoast did have Crystal live and she said had given DNA.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/530pm/default.aspx


Guess time will tell.

OS

ya i checked it but was too late to see her. did she say she gave it today? im confused because earlier they reported(fcn) that police went to pick her up  at the 'wrong address' for a sample.

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 06:48:28 PM
WTF? Marie Griffis is on, and I HLN~I thought she was missing along with Crystal?? Does anyone know WTH is really going on??


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 06:49:09 PM
HLN is reporting a cordoned off area .2 miles from Haleigh's house. They are concentrating on a dumpster!


praying to God that it is not what we think it is

Wouldn't it have been emptied by now?



Even if emptied, the scent would still remain. 

It may not be 'what we think it is', it may be evidence tossed out, such as rags or clothes, something used to clean up, etc. 

With one cadaver dog hitting on the dumpster, LE typically would bring in another to be sure.  Something like getting a 'second opinion', if you will, before tearing the dumpster apart piece by piece.  IMO



I have a friend in LE who trains K9s.  My understanding is that these aren't LE dogs that were involved in search today.  I would have an LE dog there since they are trained to a farethewell (no meaning to diminish the training the volunteers have on their dogs  :smt018), but to check those bags and such.

I dunno.  Heard earlier on that the cadaver dogs being used were from an organization, just cannot remember what that is.  It's upthread, somewhere. 

I know what you are saying here about LE dogs and volunteer dogs. 

I have faith in any trained cadaver dog and handler, no matter if that is an LE dog or a volunteer.  Course then, it's probably cuz our young friend who went missing here in Nebraska a couple of years ago was found by a volunteer's cadaver dog ... long after LE dogs had been stopped from going out. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 06:49:37 PM
latest odds -

2 to 1 - George Anthony is on his way and was too devastated to be deposed tomorrow.

3 to 2 - Leonard Padilla is weaving in and outta traffic like a mad demon and will be on the scene for NG.

1 to 1 - JVM will look marvelous with her "Leather Tuscadero" hair-do.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Pretty good odds. I don't know if I can stomach any more of Goerge and the circus leader/slash/Mother Teresa, Cindy. But they'll no doubt rally their collective strengths to insinuate themselves into the proceedings, weasel their mugs onto TV, ask for money for something, and then be totally spent from their relentless famewhoring antics and therefore rendered unable to attend any pesky deposing.

And as for the loquacious, omniscient Pa-DILL-lah, he will reticently inform us after the fact that he, in fact,  knew this - and all things releveant - all along, but unfortunately was not at liberty to share it with us, the lowly, unwashed masses. 

::MonkeyCool:: .  ::MonkeyHaHa::



 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Brandi on February 26, 2009, 06:49:45 PM
WTF? Marie Griffis is on, and I HLN~I thought she was missing along with Crystal?? Does anyone know WTH is really going on??

Yes, she is.

And she said Crystal HAS given her DNA.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 26, 2009, 06:50:12 PM
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18805304/detail.html

Officers Focus On Large Dumpster In Search For Haleigh
Investigator: Cadaver Dog Alerts Officers To Dumpster


POSTED: Thursday, February 26, 2009
UPDATED: 6:37 pm EST February 26, 2009

SATSUMA, Fla. -- Investigators in the search for Haleigh Cummings converged on Dumpster not far from the missing 5-year-old's home on Thursday.

A detective in the case told Channel 4 that at about 5 p.m. a cadaver dog alerted an officer to something in the Dumpster. However, exactly what scent the dog picked up remains unknown.

Investigators set up a blue tarp around the Dumpster and put up flood lights as they began sorting through the contents of the Dumpster.

Earlier in the day, several teams of dogs specially trained to find human remains began searching in the area around the Putnam County mobile home park where Haleigh disappeared on Feb. 10.

Nine Putnam County deputies and seven canine teams, some from a non-law-enforcement group called Canine South, were searching "to insure that no possibility is overlooked in the search for Haleigh."

It was the first time in the 17 days of searching for the missing girl, Haleigh's family hopes this search comes up empty.

"We have to keep the faith that my granddaughter is alive. So to think those dogs will find her out there ... I don't think they will," Marie Griffis said. "I have faith that God will bring my baby home. If you give up that hope and that faith, then you really have nothing."

After 10 days of nearly continuous searching for the missing girl turned up nothing of significance, the sheriff's office had said they would only do additional searches in response new leads.

Putnam County Capt. Dick Schauland said Thursday's search was not prompted by any specific information, "but as a routine procedure that has proven itself in other missing child cases."

 SLIDESHOW:
Search For Haleigh Cummings
 
 
Schauland said that Sheriff Jeff Hardy and other investigators continues to hope that Haleigh is found alive and in good health.

Also Thursday, Misty Croslin, the 17-year-old girlfriend of Haleigh's father who was the last person to see the girl, was seen driving off in a car with a Putnam County detective. Later in the day, other detectives talked with Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, inside the doublewide mobile home that has been considered a crime scene since the girl disappeared.

Putnam County officials had said it was normal to re-interview family and acquaintances during the course of the investigation.

Almost from the beginning, investigators said they believed she was abducted.

Anyone with information about Haleigh's disappearance should call 888-277-TIPS or the FDLE's Missing Endangered Persons Information Clearinghouse at 888-FL-MISSING.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Rob on February 26, 2009, 06:50:39 PM
latest odds -

2 to 1 - George Anthony is on his way and was too devastated to be deposed tomorrow.

3 to 2 - Leonard Padilla is weaving in and outta traffic like a mad demon and will be on the scene for NG.

1 to 1 - JVM will look marvelous with her "Leather Tuscadero" hair-do.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

LOL! Thanks for the laugh, Rob.

I think we all needed that!

And nice to see you again.

nice to see you too Brandi... and I'm never too far away and I think of all of you guys and gals all the time. I haven't been reading on the boards too much lately and juss needed to take a break.... and just flipped on HLN and saw what was happening and thought I would just drop on by and see my amigos... ::MonkeyWink::

- hmm... the authorities had to go by Crystal's doctor's office to get the DNA... so that hardly "cooperation" in my opinion...

hey Crystal - ZIP IT!!! Z-I-P I-T!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 06:52:05 PM
hln...crystals mom says they got the sample.

crystal on now, she gave the sample, mix up where to meet.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on February 26, 2009, 06:52:59 PM
Wow go take a nap and all He!! breaks loose.  So crystal denying to give DNA is a misconception, I mean why wouldn't she.  She claims never to have been in that trailer. 

What else would a cadaver dog hit on, bloody rags?


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: tcumom on February 26, 2009, 06:55:07 PM
latest odds -

2 to 1 - George Anthony is on his way and was too devastated to be deposed tomorrow.

3 to 2 - Leonard Padilla is weaving in and outta traffic like a mad demon and will be on the scene for NG.

1 to 1 - JVM will look marvelous with her "Leather Tuscadero" hair-do.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::
Rob ~ Gosh, I've sure missed your posts, and just seeing you hanging around the cage.  Try to visit occasionally.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 06:55:14 PM
WTF? Marie Griffis is on, and I HLN~I thought she was missing along with Crystal?? Does anyone know WTH is really going on??

Yes, she is.

And she said Crystal HAS given her DNA.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: good Lord~they made it sound like she ran away with her mom, now we hear a completely different story and not EVEN close to the teaser.....I need a drink......


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 06:56:16 PM


OK Crystal, bio mom, was just on HLN saying she DID give her DNA sample when asked;

She is not missing or hiding or heading for the hills (my words in italics)  ::MonkeyCool::


So that was a big fat nothing.








Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 26, 2009, 06:56:25 PM
GET READY FOR A THREAD CHANGE!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 06:57:18 PM
Wow go take a nap and all He!! breaks loose.  So crystal denying to give DNA is a misconception, I mean why wouldn't she.  She claims never to have been in that trailer. 

What else would a cadaver dog hit on, bloody rags?

Isn't that always the way?   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: ospainter on February 26, 2009, 06:57:22 PM
Sorry if this has been asked.  Has there been any report on how often this dumpster is emptied? 

Hi Today,

I just ask my DH about this. We rent construction dumpsters here in MD.

He said we pay by the day, it stays on site until it is full, then he calls co. to come and either take it or bring another one to replace the full one.

Hope this makes sense.

Also he said this dumpster appears to be a maybe a "neighborhood dumpster" because of the stuff in it. twigs, trash bags etc. Not typical of construction debri.

He said a construction dumpster would sit for a month or two before being emptied.

Maybe neighborhood goes together and rents it or could be how trash is collected in that area.

OS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 06:58:19 PM
WTF? Marie Griffis is on, and I HLN~I thought she was missing along with Crystal?? Does anyone know WTH is really going on??

Yes, she is.

And she said Crystal HAS given her DNA.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: good Lord~they made it sound like she ran away with her mom, now we hear a completely different story and not EVEN close to the teaser.....I need a drink......


BWAH!!

**snort**

Without ya'll's levity I'd be a basket case. .  ::MonkeyHaHa::




Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 06:58:51 PM
GET READY FOR A THREAD CHANGE!

Thanks for the warning, Klaas!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: pink angel on February 26, 2009, 07:00:22 PM
Don't lock me in!

::monkeyohno::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: ospainter on February 26, 2009, 07:00:27 PM
hln is still reporting crystals refusal to give dna and that she took off to a 'doctors appt'. they are reporting live.

so i dunno whos reporting it wrong.

Hi Peanut,

I don't know either, but firstcoast did have Crystal live and she said had given DNA.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/530pm/default.aspx


Guess time will tell.

OS

ya i checked it but was too late to see her. did she say she gave it today? im confused because earlier they reported(fcn) that police went to pick her up  at the 'wrong address' for a sample.

 ::MonkeyConfused::
Yes she gave it today.

OS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 07:00:44 PM
Well.. it seems odd that there was such a concern in not being able to find Crystal and her mom, and they say pffffft no such problem, knock off the rumors etc.  Would love to know what the real story there is.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 26, 2009, 07:00:56 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132320&catid=3

Haleigh's Mom: "I'm Very Mad"
Posted By: Dave Wax     Created: 2/26/2009 6:03:49 PM    Updated: 2/26/2009 6:49:13 PM
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SATSUMA, FL -- Angry over rumors she was in hiding today, Haleigh Cummings' mother spoke to First Coast News to clear the air.

Crystal Sheffield spoke with First Coast News Jackelyn Barnard at 6 Thursday evening, and expressed her feelings over the rumors about her.

"I'd like it to stop," she said, adding that while her daughter is missing, she isn't going anywhere.

The rumor that she wasn't available started Thursday when investigators went looking for Sheffield to get a DNA sample, which Sheffield confirmed. First Coast News confirmed Sheffield did give a DNA sample to investigators today.

She said she wasn't hiding from anyone.

"It's very frustrating...I'm very mad right now," she concluded.

To see the entire interview, click the video to the right.



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 07:00:56 PM
WTF? Marie Griffis is on, and I HLN~I thought she was missing along with Crystal?? Does anyone know WTH is really going on??

Yes, she is.

And she said Crystal HAS given her DNA.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: good Lord~they made it sound like she ran away with her mom, now we hear a completely different story and not EVEN close to the teaser.....I need a drink......


BWAH!!

**snort**

Without ya'll's levity I'd be a basket case. .  ::MonkeyHaHa::




I will be happy to share...... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 07:01:37 PM
hln is still reporting crystals refusal to give dna and that she took off to a 'doctors appt'. they are reporting live.

so i dunno whos reporting it wrong.

Hi Peanut,

I don't know either, but firstcoast did have Crystal live and she said had given DNA.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/530pm/default.aspx


Guess time will tell.

OS

ya i checked it but was too late to see her. did she say she gave it today? im confused because earlier they reported(fcn) that police went to pick her up  at the 'wrong address' for a sample.

 ::MonkeyConfused::
Yes she gave it today.

OS

ok good. thank you.


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 07:02:18 PM
Don't lock me in!

::monkeyohno::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Not to worry, we leave no one behind.  Just get ready to jump for a new branch when the cage door opens.   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: ospainter on February 26, 2009, 07:04:07 PM
hln is still reporting crystals refusal to give dna and that she took off to a 'doctors appt'. they are reporting live.

so i dunno whos reporting it wrong.

Hi Peanut,

I don't know either, but firstcoast did have Crystal live and she said had given DNA.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/530pm/default.aspx


Guess time will tell.

OS

ya i checked it but was too late to see her. did she say she gave it today? im confused because earlier they reported(fcn) that police went to pick her up  at the 'wrong address' for a sample.

 ::MonkeyConfused::
Yes she gave it today.

OS

ok good. thank you.

yw



Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 07:04:24 PM
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18805304/detail.html

Officers Focus On Large Dumpster In Search For Haleigh
Investigator: Cadaver Dog Alerts Officers To Dumpster


POSTED: Thursday, February 26, 2009
UPDATED: 6:37 pm EST February 26, 2009

SATSUMA, Fla. -- Investigators in the search for Haleigh Cummings converged on Dumpster not far from the missing 5-year-old's home on Thursday.

<snipped>



Logic dictates that a nearby dumpster would have been searched within a short period of time following the reported disappearance of Haleigh Cummings.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 07:04:25 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132320&catid=3

Haleigh's Mom: "I'm Very Mad"
Posted By: Dave Wax     Created: 2/26/2009 6:03:49 PM    Updated: 2/26/2009 6:49:13 PM
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SATSUMA, FL -- Angry over rumors she was in hiding today, Haleigh Cummings' mother spoke to First Coast News to clear the air.

Crystal Sheffield spoke with First Coast News Jackelyn Barnard at 6 Thursday evening, and expressed her feelings over the rumors about her.

"I'd like it to stop," she said, adding that while her daughter is missing, she isn't going anywhere.

The rumor that she wasn't available started Thursday when investigators went looking for Sheffield to get a DNA sample, which Sheffield confirmed. First Coast News confirmed Sheffield did give a DNA sample to investigators today.

She said she wasn't hiding from anyone.

"It's very frustrating...I'm very mad right now," she concluded.

To see the entire interview, click the video to the right.



Am thinking if she wasn't actually 'missing', as was reported by the media, she has every right to be very mad right now. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 07:05:04 PM
Search Teams Investigate Dumpster Near Haleigh's House
Posted By: Dave Wax     Created: 2/26/2009 5:42:40 PM    Updated: 2/26/2009 5:49:33 PM
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SATSUMA, FL -- Late Thursday afternoon, investigators, who have had their busiest day in about a week, went to the neighborhood behind Haleigh Cummings' house and began searching through a construction dumpster.

After 5 p.m., the search moved into the Villas neighborhood, which is just on the other side of a fence from where Ronald and Haleigh Cummings' house is.

First Coast News Erich Spivey says investigators were following a tip from area neighbors.
It is not clear if this is the first time this area has been searched, or specifically what searchers are after as they looked through the large dumpster.

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: peanut on February 26, 2009, 07:05:28 PM
jvm...

ron gave dna sample when investigation started, crystals was asked for, took til now to 'schedule' it.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: islandmonkey on February 26, 2009, 07:05:51 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132320&catid=3

Haleigh's Mom: "I'm Very Mad"
Posted By: Dave Wax     Created: 2/26/2009 6:03:49 PM    Updated: 2/26/2009 6:49:13 PM
Recommend Print Article Email Article Larger Smaller

 
SATSUMA, FL -- Angry over rumors she was in hiding today, Haleigh Cummings' mother spoke to First Coast News to clear the air.

Crystal Sheffield spoke with First Coast News Jackelyn Barnard at 6 Thursday evening, and expressed her feelings over the rumors about her.

"I'd like it to stop," she said, adding that while her daughter is missing, she isn't going anywhere.

The rumor that she wasn't available started Thursday when investigators went looking for Sheffield to get a DNA sample, which Sheffield confirmed. First Coast News confirmed Sheffield did give a DNA sample to investigators today.

She said she wasn't hiding from anyone.

"It's very frustrating...I'm very mad right now," she concluded.

To see the entire interview, click the video to the right.



Am thinking if she wasn't actually 'missing', as was reported by the media, she has every right to be very mad right now. 


That's for d@mn sure!


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Wyks on February 26, 2009, 07:05:58 PM
Search Teams Investigate Dumpster Near Haleigh's House
Posted By: Dave Wax     Created: 2/26/2009 5:42:40 PM    Updated: 2/26/2009 5:49:33 PM
Recommend Print Article Email Article Larger Smaller


SATSUMA, FL -- Late Thursday afternoon, investigators, who have had their busiest day in about a week, went to the neighborhood behind Haleigh Cummings' house and began searching through a construction dumpster.

After 5 p.m., the search moved into the Villas neighborhood, which is just on the other side of a fence from where Ronald and Haleigh Cummings' house is.

First Coast News Erich Spivey says investigators were following a tip from area neighbors.
It is not clear if this is the first time this area has been searched, or specifically what searchers are after as they looked through the large dumpster.

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: Foggy Dew on February 26, 2009, 07:06:39 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132320&catid=3

Haleigh's Mom: "I'm Very Mad"
Posted By: Dave Wax     Created: 2/26/2009 6:03:49 PM    Updated: 2/26/2009 6:49:13 PM
Recommend Print Article Email Article Larger Smaller

 
SATSUMA, FL -- Angry over rumors she was in hiding today, Haleigh Cummings' mother spoke to First Coast News to clear the air.

Crystal Sheffield spoke with First Coast News Jackelyn Barnard at 6 Thursday evening, and expressed her feelings over the rumors about her.

"I'd like it to stop," she said, adding that while her daughter is missing, she isn't going anywhere.

The rumor that she wasn't available started Thursday when investigators went looking for Sheffield to get a DNA sample, which Sheffield confirmed. First Coast News confirmed Sheffield did give a DNA sample to investigators today.

She said she wasn't hiding from anyone.

"It's very frustrating...I'm very mad right now," she concluded.

To see the entire interview, click the video to the right.




Bio mom being "mad"?  Wow.  I would have been "mad" the second I heard my child was missing.  That reminds me of alleged killer of Caylee who hadn't been angry til that visit from her parents in jail.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: ospainter on February 26, 2009, 07:07:21 PM
jvm...

ron gave dna sample when investigation started, crystals was asked for, took til now to 'schedule' it.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Now that makes sense that both parents would be ask and give their samples early on.

OS


Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: rana on February 26, 2009, 07:07:41 PM
Well.. it seems odd that there was such a concern in not being able to find Crystal and her mom, and they say pffffft no such problem, knock off the rumors etc.  Would love to know what the real story there is.

Well, the headline certainly got folks' attention, so mission accomplished IMO. .  ::MonkeyCool::

Sounds like an exaggeration solely for BOMBSHELL !! ratings.

I mean, think about it; Going to a local Dr.'s appointment is hardly a wily-ruse-crafty-stratagem-cunning-subterfuge of a master escape plan if she were actually seeking to avoid submitting her DNA.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Jus sayin





Title: Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
Post by: klaasend on February 26, 2009, 07:08:09 PM
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Please move to Haleigh #3

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4610.0