Scared Monkeys Discussion Forum

From the previous thread:

JUMP to say GOODNIGHT ALL!!!!!!!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Yes, none, it seems like old times but I am afraid this crew would never believe how serious CBB used to be in the Late Nite Crew.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

wow klaas is so quick, I'd forgotten that  ::MonkeyHaHa::

CBB, you were fine to lock that football thread, I didn't mind at all. Frijole is a girl though  ::MonkeyWink:: we've spoken by phone and she's smart, funny, and kind ! Now if we could coax pdh to come back I'd feel much better, I miss her !!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

TOO CUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I LIKE YOU TOO!

Most definitely None.I will start posting over in the sports thread?Give you all the information regarding the Pac-10 that i can.Recruiting was all that could be expected with Coach Sarkisian only having a month to do anything.Tyrone really did a number on the Huskies.

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

THIS IS THE FIRST THREAD IN THE LAST FIVE THAT WASN'T A RACE TO GET TO PAGE 50!!!!

BRONZE THAT LAST THREAD, KLAAS!!!

well we could use some Pac-10 in the group ! You won't be alone either, not only did we lose our bowl game we didn't do as well in recruiting as we would have liked either. It's a pretty ruthless game these days, that college football, maybe worse than the NFL some say !

A bowl-game?What's that? ::MonkeyLaugh:: So who's your team Alabama?

just no bronzing of Sam's mean drive-by on Artcolley please........! Beats all, whenever I went to that chat it was Sam who complained all the time !  ::MonkeyShocked::

not Bama  ::MonkeyHaHa:: it's a secret who I pull for now  ::MonkeyWink::

Just in case some didnt get the point of..not ALL members deleted their posts from GM, but in fact GM hides things from members with under 100 posts...along with a few other points some can see now..I am repostin my post from the previous thread...

    
Re: MONKEY MUSINGS DAILY OPEN DISCUSSION #19
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 Sam and you other loser Gmnites...to clue ya in what you so obviously dont want people to know about you all....

I never deleted my posts...but unlike SM carnut DID hide them so anyone without a 100 post count couldnt see EXACTLY what was said from BOTH sides. Then held a railroading of voting me off too like he is doing to none. Why was my vote to be banned?? let me refresh your memory, was because i came back online (after bein gone a year) to see a lot of stuff went on, a lot of friends upset, so i went into chat to try to get carnut to tell them the stuff himself that he missed them, instead of hearing it from everyone else. I went in there to talk NICELY and adult trying to say it doesnt help to hear it from others, always best to hear it from the sourse or it can just be considered hearsay. YES, when i first went in i went under a name to piss cat off...let me refresh you on that too...cause cat was Using a friends ID. I felt if he could then i could use BigFATCAT...i explained it , cleared it up..and thought all was fine ..then i even said IN THERE..i will more than likely repeat what is said, as far as carnut and tryin to get the mess fixed up..i warned I will repeat it and was upfront so  if anyone said anything that they didnt want seen while i was in there had the chance to not say anything they didnt want repeated...hello??? what part of "i might repeat what is said" didnt anyone get?? I left that chat feeling ok, i think i may have taken care of the prob of members you all loved being gone...BUT what happens?? next day there is a vote posted to ban me for ..of all the stupiest things "FOR REPEATING WHAT WAS SAID IN CHAT"  The ones that i guess started that vote were NOT even there when i was in that chat talkin to carnut...so..ummm I did not delete my posts yet why cant they be seen by anyone unless they have over a 100 post count???

GM is DOING to NONE what you all did to me..and NO one will ever see it all and what led up to it cause YOU ALL hide it all...YOU made judgement calls on what was hearsay NOT FACTS...like bein told the most supidest things to see is me posting him to take colleys website off his server and i said he stole all my scripting.all the work i did for months , he copied and put them direstly on HIS servers...well whats stupid for saying he stole it?? it was the TRUTH!!..well i wouldnt expect people who know nothing about that to understand what i meant cause the one i wanted to understand KNEW what i meant and did what i requested within seconds...but does anyone get that whole explanation..?? NO...cause that too was hidden..!!!


True colors showing yes, like i said to carnut all you all are that are left there are a bunch of lonely OLD bats, backstabbing knife hurdling evil spew lying wenches with NO effin life except for what you create around you with drama and deceit.

and for BB to come here and Proudly announce she is spearheading a vote to ban None is disgusting...You all deserve eachother..i seen nothing of integrity or honesty in any of you..and seems to me all that do go there all seek the same level of water...Oh hell, why dont ya all just combine ya forums and call it CngGM?? Both forums have the same two lying LEAKS runnin the show in the background anyways.

Anna - you are right - fences don't work....but if the old folks would close the windows and turn on two box fans, they probably would not hear anything.... ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

It must a mental block!!  We had to remodel (even had a hard typing that) after my husband thought he was a plumber and flooded our house!!  Only $14,000 worth of damage from fixing a sink that I begged him to leave alone!!   ::MonkeyWink::

For any woman here that have a "handy" husband - please go give him a big hug and kiss!!  ::MonkeyTongue::

Seamonkey, I wasn't ever allowed into the inner sanctum of the GM goldens but then I never had 100 posts, not even over the span of almost a year. I do have to laugh though, stupid me didn't realize the significance of the cow. I thought they just liked cows? I sent carnut those cow animations, now when they all insult me it's with cows that I packaged up  ::MonkeyHaHa:: Boy I hope they get cooties from them  ::MonkeyHaHa::

and i remember a lot of times carnut himself complaining about the ones that were not in there. And if anyone showed up as guest out in the forum he'd read their IP #'s then tell people in who were chat who they were .

Well, you are right, Mere, and the dogs were there first.  The old folks moved into their neighborhood and are the ones who should adjust imo.


I was just trying to think how a fence could make it quieter and couldn't figure that out, lol.


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Maybe a fence like a big padded mattress.  I am going to have to move into town per my children who seem to think they are now the boss of me and can only keep one or two at the most of my dogs in an apartment.  It is just devastating to me.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Ohhhh Anna. It's still me. Natalee's case has always broken my heart. Beth and Dave broke my heart and still do, and Natalee's potential was just cut off.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

My laughter was a little buried then too, but is more appreciated now, and my empathy has deepened. I'm thinking that may be one of those "good" things that comes from "bad". I feel older, and I can't be anyon's child anymore, but since we all have one within us, it's up to me to let it out to play and stay healthy.

I feel a sincere attachment to you guys. We've been through a crisis together, whether you knew it or not! 

Can't find an emoticon for that........  so {{HUGS}}

Coach Sarkisian is opening the door back up to the High school coaches,Former players,as well as fans.Here's a story about Ty for ya.A former Husky wanted sideline passes for a game in Arizona.A more established player in their time,so to speak.Ty denied the sideline pass.The Arizona coach got the former Husky player a sideline pass!Steve Emtman.One of the Greatest Huskies ever was only alotted 1 sideline pass a year.Go figure...That's just the tip of the iceberg in terms of how Ty slowly alienated Husky Nation!

mytime when my husband passed away from cancer, I had to sell the house and really didn't need so much space anyway. So I got busy getting ready to show, saw a stain on the deck that I scrubbed and scrubbed and scrubbed. I was out there daily working on it, folks want perfection these days so daily for about a week I scrubbed then rinsed. Soonafter I noticed some of the siding looking warped on the chimney which joined the deck. Well about $3,000.00 later I realized it was me flooding the deck with water on that stain  ::MonkeyShocked::

Expensive lesson learned, sometimes leave the spots where they are  ::MonkeyHaHa::

yep and after i called them all a bunch of lonely old bats out in the open, they then had it on thier front page under thier title like they are proud of it..

they didnt hid the posts or start that 100 post rule til AFTER posts were made to carnut about what he was doing, he then hid them along with my posts. wasnt til AFTER we all left or were booted out for ummm tellin the truth?? what a moron.

Ty, CBB.  I wonder how SB is doing.  He did make a post not too long ago and to his credit did not mention Gators!

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

I'm sure you were very understanding and was considerate of his feelings only, during that difficult time.


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Oh no!!!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am so sorry!!   ::MonkeyTongue::

Yes, I remember that, lol
He'd sit there and rip everyone apart at night. EVERYONE
I'd go for my "walkabout" and often was off doing puzzles, lol

Anna - times are changing - my kids tried to do that too.  I do wish you could keep them all.
Apartments are tough after living in your own space.  When will this happen?

I saw that, Anna! I miss him too!

well since BT already posted this I guess suffice it to say I never liked the man, still don't and he's the typical snarky tech guy who loves to start trouble. They are a dime a dozen.

honestly SB has every right to brag about his team, they sure showed everyone this season !!

I'll bet they are.

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It must a mental block!!  We had to remodel (even had a hard typing that) after my husband thought he was a plumber and flooded our house!!  Only $14,000 worth of damage from fixing a sink that I begged him to leave alone!!   ::MonkeyWink::

For any woman here that have a "handy" husband - please go give him a big hug and kiss!!  ::MonkeyTongue::
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I'm sure you were very understanding and was considerate of his feelings only, during that difficult time.


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Actually I was!! Six hours later and after the restoration people left - he looked at me and said "Sorry about that" with the cutest little look!  My heart melted!! 

P.S. We hide all his tools now!!   ::MonkeyWink::

okay it's apparent you know football, we need you on the sports thread so hustle on over and stake a space for your team !  ::MonkeyDance::

Probably not until late spring like April or May.  It will take me that long to get rid of all my stuff there will not be room for and also I am on waiting list for the apartments. 

Just as I am able to get ready for the move and find an apartment for people 55+.  It will be hard for me but this is too much for me to keep up with, too, so I am just torn over it all.

But I will make the best of it.  Will miss my dogs the most.

uh oh!!  CBB - I need a little help with that last post!!   ::MonkeyShocked::

Anna, I just went for the quarter acre lot, small house, and coziness with the neighbors  ::MonkeyHaHa:: I hardly have much grass to mow, most is in the back inside the fence so nobody knows but me  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I dont think BT would be talkin so much if she knew what he said about her when she wasnt around .

College Football,as well as Basketball. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

I found an email today where one of the leaks wasn't too kind to BT either.

okay who do you pull for in basketball? I have a great story about Coach K and son.....

Well, if we're talking house calamities.......................

3 summers ago, I had the office out to the lake for a cook out...............families were invited. I don't do that enthusiastically because I really dislike one of the spouses....................the guy is a jerk from the minute his mouth opens.

"jerk" was on the deck when I came out with a huge platter of hamburgers and hotdogs to put on the grill. I got it going, and flipped the burgers once, then hurried inside to get some things the table needed, ice, etc.

When I came back out through the deck doors, "jerk" said, "Now, look what you've done........" and pointed to the grill and the siding of the house behind it that was MELTING!!!

I hadn't pulled the grill away from the house far enough, and rather than get up off his azz and prevent the damage, he just couldn't wait to watch and point it out to me!!!

That was a $2,500.00 little outing.........................    ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::

Leaks?????   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

Do they come in a pair???  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyShocked:: what a JERK !!!!!!!!!!! He's not invited anymore, ok !!!

I hope you fed him the siding on a burnt bun!!!  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyTongue::

I was just admiring that.................   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm gonna bronze it!   ::MonkeyCool::

mytime I didn't coin the term "leak" so I'm also not confirming headcount  ::MonkeyHaHa::

for the record I also don't post emails  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Obviously on the Westcoast it's the Husky's.Eastcoast it's Tar-Heels ever since i was a kid!Although i despise The Dukies i have the utmost respect for Coach K and the program!

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

No, I just started talking to his wife about DIVORCING him!!!    ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

It might make a nice avatar for someone!!!   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

The kids are right about one thing - when you have to start paying people to do the things you used to do - maybe it is time to "downsize" - go to a one story and pick your favorites for this move - however, I am still resistant.  I do believe in a single story now....lol....one thing at a time....!

Heading out for the night....

KeeptheFaith I don't want the stack police to get me  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Know what? I'm pulling for the heels too but one of the players, not a star on the team  but to even make that team is high praise, anyway he used to play with my son and is his friend. I like Roy though. I like Coach K too but I don't think Duke has the team to go all the way this year.

I am not sure what that means?  Am I missing something??

Good Night Mere !!!

just that I don't play that game, I actually respect that there are privacy laws. Obviously some at GM do not to include carnut and leak (s)

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

It must a mental block!!  We had to remodel (even had a hard typing that) after my husband thought he was a plumber and flooded our house!!  Only $14,000 worth of damage from fixing a sink that I begged him to leave alone!!   ::MonkeyWink::

For any woman here that have a "handy" husband - please go give him a big hug and kiss!!  ::MonkeyTongue::
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I'm sure you were very understanding and was considerate of his feelings only, during that difficult time.


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Actually I was!! Six hours later and after the restoration people left - he looked at me and said "Sorry about that" with the cutest little look!  My heart melted!! 

P.S. We hide all his tools now!!   ::MonkeyWink::


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LOL, tools, boat OH MY!  What is PT allowed to use? ::MonkeyTongue::

OK - just one last question on the subject..............

Why did some of you copy the chat??  Did you have a funny feeling???

what i find funny is, i highly doubt one leak knows it has a leak, how would it know if its busy leaking to watch for its own leak...? bwahaha hehehehe

Jackie - YOU just had to reposat that.......didn't you??

PT is allowed to use the vacuum!!   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

If he could find it!!   ::MonkeyWink::

Wow, we must be getting some bit of snow. The snowplow just made its third pass down my road.  ::MonkeyEek::

I have quite the Basketball pedigree!Out here in the state of Washington.My Father is in the Basketball coaches Hall of Fame..Out here he was a big part of helping to take the AAU basketball to another level,coaching for George Karl's Teams,when Coach Karl was with the Supersonics.His good buddy who ran the teams is now the VP of the NBA summer league in Las Vegas.

 ::MonkeyDance::

Oh, I don't miss the snow!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I would rather sit outside and wake my neighbors!!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

::MonkeyLaugh::

OT.......Need opinions please......I'm trying to decide whether to buy a frosted glass computer desk or a traditional one.  Does any monkey here have one?  If so, could you please let me know the pros/cons?    ::MonkeyWink::

YES INDEEDY

 ::MonkeyNoNo::  How come that does not suprise me?  ::MonkeyDance::

Since I'm robo-posting tonight I will. I did have a glass one and hated it, could never keep it sparkling clean but then I worked from home everyday. I found a lovely wooden copy of a Pottery Barn one on ebay for about $300 and I've loved it.

well mainly i copied my chat..for three reasons..one -- so it couldnt be twisted into sumtin it wasnt and taken out of context..and lied about...and..
two ---cause i thought i went in there to help a situation and wanted to make sure i got my words right so i too wouldnt take them out of context when repeating them like i told all in there i was gonna do..and
three-- well, why did i copy it? cause i could.... 
But i see now my first reason is what i should have been mainly doing it for, because thats exactly what they did, then hid stuff so i couldnt even rebute it with the actual chat.

I was thinking the same thing !!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think it was YOUR idea!!!   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Will it show fingerprints??   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

WOW you do have the pedigree ! Well we need you on the basketball thread then, I live in ACC country but I can't keep up with it all. I was hoping son would choose basketball over football but he won, not me. Basketball today however is hand to hand combat with no pads!

Thank You!  That's what I was worried about.......... ::MonkeyNoNo::  But - it's so pretty!!!!!

I think tomorry between doin stuff i will work on a "leaky" animation ummm like one with a knife goin after the other one both leaking lol

OH - so you only copied that one??  I get it!!  Smart!!!  ::MonkeyCool::

Time for me to hit the hay

Nite all, sweet dreams!

Night Art, rest well !!

THanks, you too!!!

Nite Art!! Sleep Well!!

Jackie? I have a glass top dining table, and you can't useit without having to pull out the Windex, but if it's frosted glass, that might be better...........

that was the only one i was referring to in my post to none about having copies.

If you are a neurotic - glass is not for you!!

So Jackie, what kind of wood would you like??   ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

night colley...i prolly missed you..slow comp connection..buy me cable for my bday!!! lol night sleep well *hugz* :)

I have one in my kitchen and I have to keep a tablecloth on it - it drives me crazy.  There goes that idea.......................... ::MonkeyRoll::

Goodnight ART!

MT!!!!!!!!   I am not even - going to touch that one.  ::MonkeyCool::

Coach K story?I'll do what i can.I'm afraid i'll be Robo-posting to myself! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Grew up with Doug Christie who played in the NBA for about 14 years.I'm much more of a College Basketball fan.My father coached Brian Morrison in the summertime who was at NC for 2 years then at UCLA for 2 years.Aaron Brooks(Houston Rockets),Nate Robinson(Slam-Dunk Champion).The real story's about his attitude are starting to come out!The south is starting to really come up here and take some of the Seattle players.Marvin Williams(NC),Terrence Williams(Louisville),Peyton Siva(Louisville)this fall,Aaron Dotson(LSU)this fall..I'll take the rest to the Sports thread and keep the posting going...Any info on the ACC,SEC is welcome up here in the Northwest!

night Seamonkey !! rest well

I have my first call at 7 in the morning so I guess I need to hit the hay myself. Looks like we may have snow this weekend again, I knew that groundhog needed to stay in his hole  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Night All !!

I fear I am no match for your knowledge or pedigree but I'll enjoy posting with you in the sports threads !!

                        JUSTICE FOR ALL THOSE WITHOUT A VOICE
                              GOD BLESS ALL THA MONKEY'S
                               GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS
                                          KEEPTHEFAITH
                                          ::MonkeyCool::

Night miss None :) sleep well

night all :)

Goodnight and God Bless None!I'll look forward to the Coach K story later.Like i said.Any information regarding sports down south is welcome!

Good night None!!

I was thinking some strategically placed lawn sprinklers might do the trick.. but that's just me.   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

You could pull a "Cindy" with the garden hose.  Then pull out your hammer and put up caution tape.  ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

well, the sprinklers could be called accidental..and every time they yell at you or complain,the sprinklers just accidentally get put in the same strategic spots..after a while,I think the complaining may stop.. just a thought.. I know,I have mean,sneaky thoughts when it comes to bothersome neighbors..it is that little guy perched on my shoulders fault..

I just came back to turn out the lights!   ::MonkeyShocked::

Don't you all EVER go to bed??

 ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

CBB -- I tried, really I did.

I said Goodnight in the Caylee thread, checked the clothes in the dryer but they were still damp.

So I went to see if WS had any insights we hadn't come up with re:  today's info.  Nope.

Finished cleaning kitchen, thinking all the while about that Gatorade bottle with the toilet paper roll inside... what on earth... why was that there... inside the Disney bag... just inches from Caylee's little skull!!  Why?

(Can't even think of going to bed, see?)

I came back and started googling.  And found a ... BOMBSHELL!   ::MonkeyEek::

(I posted it in the Caylee thread.)

Desi

Wow! While I was safely tucked up in my bed last night, people were here talking about me.

I feel like a celebrity! Who knew I was even famous enough to be discussed? 

I need to start autographing that sock monkey calendar I made  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I wouldn't jump the gun like that BT, it appears they backstab you and anyone else they can, some there eat their own. It's part and parcel of who most, not all, but most of them are. You have the distinction of being referred to as a raging river of tattletaling to carnut. Furthermore you can't be trusted? Not my words, but theirs. That was written about you when I chose to ask to be deactivated, around September of last year?

I was absent from the forums for nearly two years traveling with work weekly. Amazing that all of you are still so darn fascinated with me? ldstlalayap hurls threats regarding my emails on this forum while then admitting they started all of it and should fall on the sword for their words? Yet ldstlalayap has beaten this forum up regarding an email from "the leak" that was posted??? An email I have never seen, touched, nor posted. Amazing !

Child's play, sick child's play of the worst kind with the exception of the ((edit)) ******* that some of you hid and harbored while he tormented his victim even at that site?

Go skip off with your day pretending you're a good old person BT.

Hmmm...I'm guessing that's supposed to hurt my feelings, but it doesn't. Both on the internet and in real life people talk about each other - they hazard guesses as to what motivates someone, try to figure out what the other person is thinking, try to calculate what they're going to do next, and activities of that ilk. So what?

Internet wars have nothing to do with real life, and just because someone on an internet forum says something it doesn't make it so. I like people who post at SM and I like people who post at GM. The last time I checked not one of them was perfect and neither was I. I'm not going to get in the middle of hostilities. The way I see it, I have a God-given right to like anyone I choose. Actually, I have a God-given right to like everyone if I choose.

And I'm not pretending anything. I am what I am. I have good qualities and I have bad qualities. C'est la vie.

Actually BT, no it wasn't posted to hurt your feelings. In fact, unlike you, it bothered me to even re-read it, even moreso to post about it.

I disagree, I do think we all make mistakes including myself, but I do not condone the kind of stalking and harrassment that's part and parcel of GM these days.

A few very smart analysts would also vehemently disagree with you on that point, shame you didn't listen to Dana's show last night. Better yet, go google the think-tank of concerns regarding the internet and it's capacity to harm our privacy, our reputation, and our psyches. In fact, you like to post at SM, a missing persons site? Most of those are females, NOW (National Organization of Women) would tell you that the incidence of assault against women and children leaped - some would say tripled - with the advent of internet porn.

Oh I care about behaviors on the internet, I can assure you I can, no pollyanna here.

This happened to me on a major website that one would assume would be respectable and safe for its members. I was involved in a few website forums on a topic of special interest to me and became the victim of a gang of internet bullies who also were interested in that same topic. It wasn't enough just to leave one forum because they would find me at the other forums on the same topic.

Then they started signing up in my name or very close versions of my screen name and attacking other members so I'd get the blame. When I dropped that name and started using other names, the one webmaster compared IP addys and informed the bullies which new screen names were me so they were able to gang up on those new names there and at other sites.

What they didn't count on was that I could use a proxy web connection to provide anonymous web surfing and was able to enter communities where they managed to get me banned. I could get screenshots of their posts where they posted private information and was able to go "upstream" and complain to the webservice provider and have the offending posts deleted.

The best part was that I was able to send screenshots of their many aggregious violations of copyright law (posting entire news articles with no attribution and no link back, thus claiming themselves as the authors of other peoples' work) to the lawyers for some of the biggest media outlets in the country. The Washington Post, for example, does not take kindly to having entire articles "stolen" in this manner.

They were like chickens with their heads cut off trying to figure out how I could "see" what they were up to. It was quite amusing.

If anyone here has a need to shield their true IP addy from possibly unscrupulous webmasters, you should consider anonymous web surfing. You can use an online service like Anonymouse or you can use software on your computer that will log you onto the internet from numerous IP addys that are ever-changing (each time you connect to the internet, it's a different IP addy). That's what I used to fool the unscrupulous webmaster and in my profile on his site, I invented some globe-trotting job that would account for my posting from the U.K. one day and Hong Kong another day and Florida yet another day and so on. LOL. I had fun.

Here's the GOOGLE SEARCH RESULTS  (http://www.google.com/search?rls=ig&hl=en&q=anonymous+web+surfing+free&aq=0&oq=anonymous+web+surfing) for "anonymous web surfing free."  Parents, take note: If your children web surf, anonymous web surfing can be their friend. The sad irony is that perverts also use anonymous web surfing to mask their locations.

oldiebutgoodie, thank you for sharing that. Maybe the way to turn all of this into something more positive is by the cautioning it provides to other posters? In fact, that forum posts news articles at times without links too, thanks for that tip ! I know AOL is aware of their forum now and SM sees them post their research there freely without linking back?

I am well aware of the proxy's one can use, frankly no one should visit the GM site without a 'condom' like that IMO. They know where I live though, but I know where they live as well. Only stupid people take their cyber bullying to a point that becomes an issue.

What are you None, the playground bully? Why don't you leave BT alone. She has every right to post here if she wants, she hasn't been banned.

If you have a beef with me, why don't you take it up with me, you can get my e-mail address if you have a complaint. And if you are going to complain about me, then at least get what I said right. You show me where I mention Lalas, Yap or GM. I said I saw some of your alleged past posts, I said I had no way of knowing whether they were your words or not but I hoped they were not, because they were so darned mean and nasty. Now how do you go from that, to Lalas and Yap and Gm are posting e-mails of yours? You have no idea who sent those to me. Get a grip. If you never said anything mean and nasty about current SM members, then you have nothing to worry about and you can just laugh it off to my "reading comprehension problem" you all claim I have.

What is the point of constantly bashing people every time they enter SM, and leave for that matter. Holy crap, BT has been here from the beginning, I have never seen her say a mean word about anyone, just what is your point None?

ldstlou - is it just you or are you on the phone with lala's and/or yap today?

I post without coaching from others, do you? I can't know what you are referencing or from who, I just moved to stop your threats. That is really what you don't like. You were marching into SM claiming to be the person who sits at the righthand of Beth/Jug long before I posted any protest to you. You have disrespected many but because you post such openly it's AOK? It's not, you know it's not but you feel you have the blessing of Natalee's family so it's okay?

No it's not, this isn't your forum, or mine, or theirs actually.

As for BT, she's made quite a few snarky, patronizing, and cheap shots posts at me recently. She likes to fan the flame too, it's her style, then skip off and say she didn't do anything overt. It's manipulative but deliberate.

She responded to MY post this morning, you aren't a moderator here so I don't think you have any right to state I can't respond back to her.

I don't want your email address ldstlou, I want you to leave me alone. I didn't post any emails, I even posted that indeed you email with Jug. I bothered to ask, to qualify if you did, so I could understand all of this tirade a bit better.

You are very naive though, corporate america and Silvetti qualifies as that, just isn't full of sunshine and roses. You can't accept that, the world is like your holly hobby avatar one supposes. That is fine if you choose to believe that, you just do not have the right to continue to think you are smarter, wiser, and in your rights to legislate to everyone here to include Klaas and Red - what they should be doing.

As I've said to many of you at GM over and over, stop the personal attacks and this all goes away - but I suspect as have others posted, your goal is to disrupt and control what is posted here.

Prove me wrong, I double dare you to stop trying to derail and control SM.

If another website is copying and pasting the content of this website or any other website, then that is copyrght violation. SM owns its own content. They can pursue the matter and have their copied and pasted material removed if they choose to do so.

However, nobody "owns" facts. The actual informational content (facts) contained in a news article or website post, for example, are not copyrightable. A newspaper doesn't own the copyright to the facts of a news story. A website doesn't own the facts posted on its website.

If someone posts here that Joran is the main suspect in Natalee's disappearance, this website does not own a copyright to that fact. That fact can be posted anywhere else.

What cannot be reposted is the manner in which the information or facts are presented. That writing is copyrightable and no copyright notice need be displayed. The original writing in a website post or email is the copyrighted material of that post or email's original author and the manner in which information is displayed on a website is the copyrighted material of the website owner. It is illegal to copy chunks of another website.

I am not a lawyer and no one should assume I am an expert on copyright law. I have had reason in the past to deal with this issue and have learned from my own experiences. That is all.

I will add also that kudos to mytime for admitting that kermit's personal and private information was being posted at CnG. That is clearly a violation of many internet privacy laws and also the TOS of their host for that forum.

For kermit to now know that's how low they will go, so that they have recourse to stop it, I'm grateful for that. Even as angry as I am at some at GM, I would not violate their privacy as they all move to join you in attempting to violate mine and make threats or bully publicly. I've made sure both of my children are aware who might wish to hurt them in that group also, my son emailed his coach regarding this last night as a heads up. How lovely for him to know some will go that low?

I also know who in that group thrives on hunting down personal information and I have posts and emails she sent regarding her efforts. I take the time to read, digest, and even reflect on it.

Most at GM today joined CnG. CnG is the new refugees, didn't you get the memo?

oldiebutgoodie, thanks for the clarification but I don't speak for SM or news agencies either. My concern with GM is the violation of my personal information or private communications privacy, or that of my children. They have a large hidey hole there, I have an email stating that all of the shango from SM is stored there and also at CnG now. I don't think that's news to anyone now though, in fact due to my travel over the last year I frankly wasn't even given an FYI of who was admitted to the site I established for fun and frolic for females - but I surely learned who was banned, after the fact. Lesson learned who one can trust, it's barely enough to put into a thimble. I made Yap the admin for that site while I traveled, also saved posts, pm's as I tried to unravel why all of the hatred generated at SM had spilled over there to the degree people were banned without my knowledge or consent.

For the record, BB was made a member there and had I been asked if I approved in advance, I would have categorically said no. Never trusted that hair  ::MonkeyHaHa::

edit to my post, hatred at GM for those who chose to leave GM and for SM too

None, you asked me and now I will answer. I am a single woman, a homeowner, and the mother of the greatest son in the world. I put myself through college, I have a degree. I am a realtor and take on the resposibility of helping my clients buy and sell houses. I am not a puppet, I don't let people misguide me, and I don't sit on the phone all day planning attacks. If I only had the time! You try and do what I do daily trying to earn a living while raising my son and driving him to sports, chess lessons, guitar lessons, and running Cub Scout meetings and PTO. Step one day in my shoes and then you will find why I find it obsurd that you think I am on the phone all day trying to figure a way to derail threads at SM.

Now let me address one more issue. I have the most fabulous son in the world, I talk about him 24/7, he is the absolute love of my life and if it were up to me, I would splash his beautiful face all over for the world to see this amazing creature God has blessed me with. I look at the pics of Natalee and they still make my heart smile and hurt at the same time. What brought us here I think more than any other reason is that we are parents, we saw Natalee's love for her family through her family and we saw the tremendous love and bond her family had with her and we connected to that. What I can NOT comprehend, is taking pics of one's precious daughter, beautiful daughter, and instead of proclaiming, this is the love of my life, you claim this is yourself to deceive your friends. I honestly am tearing up...who does that? Does that to your child and does that to your friends. Am I the only one extremely affected by that? I didn't buy whay Kermit was stating, I said I didn't buy it, and I got page after page after page of "I stand with the frog". I didn't create the division, I never said the frog or me, I would never ask someone to choose, I simply said I call "bullshit" to what she was proclaiming. Other decided they had to choose the frog's friendship over mine. fine, it's done and I lost what I thought was good friends over this. But I can't say I believe that the members of the Persistence deceived the family just to be liked by people, I just can't do that, it goes against every fiber of my being.


One last thing, I still get so angry remembering members that I have posted for years with, shared life, love, joy, happiness, tragedy, death, every aspect of life with, post page after page of thank-you's to Kermit for her service to our Country, because they were deceived into believing she had served our great Country and 4 Presidents. Am I wrong? Did I read that wrong? Am I really misguided in what was said and done these past few months?

My Dad is a war veteran, he served our great Country, I will gladly honor my father for the service he gave our country just like every other veteran I meet. I just sold a house to a 22 year old young man who serve our Country by fighting the war in Iraq. He was shot while he was there. 22 years old and with war wounds that he will live with for the rest of his life. I will gladly and proudly bow down to that young man, he is a true hero, and he doesn't brag about it, he doesn't ask for accolades or applause, he is just trying to live his life in a productive manner, that is a hero to me.

And I will add that Jug Twitty is a hero to me. If anything ever went wrong with Nicholas, that is a man I would want standing in my corner. There are few with as much courage, integrity and honor as Jug. He is a friend to me, doesn't have to be but he is, and I have nothing but respect for both he and Beth. I believe Jug's word over Kermit's also. For that I am called misguided.

ldstlou-

When have I ever proclaimed I was my daughter or posted her photo here proclaiming to be her???? Are you stating I am defiling Natalee's photo now? CBB made this avatar for me and it's to honor Natalee. Where are you getting these things from? I"m sorry but it's bizarre???? I can't follow what you are writing at times, truly I cannot.

Everyone here has a story, many here are less fortunate then you or I. I went to college on a full academic scholarship, I didn't have to for my parents would have paid my tuition but I was proud that they did not. If you think I didn't work hard to keep that scholarship you are mistaken. I can't know what you are being told about me by others but I can only imagine from what you have posted about me.

I've had a very fortunate life but I've also been a single mother and worked very hard. In fact post my divorce in 98 both of my kids who are both talented athletes couldn't play on summer teams for my job would not allow me to leave my office to drive them to practice in the afternoons. One of my biggest expenses then, I had no child support, was the late fee for picking them up from after school care. I didn't have a forgiving boss, I was required to commit a minimum of 60 hours weekly at work onsite. Be glad your job allows for your son's activities, be very glad. Nonetheless my kids found their way and we ALL adore our children, ALL of us think of them as the light in our lives. Only when I met Rick did I have that other person to help, then I lost him. A tragedy but then many here have had tragedy in their lives. I haven't lost a child nor had my child molested, I read some of the posts here and I can't even respond it is so horrifying they have had to endure that. Losing Peaches was a tragedy and some at GM had met her in person, yet when she began to decline, I didn't hear from Peaches direct about others calling to check in on her. I called her as often as I could, often from an airport. Maybe others emailed, I don't know, but I can tell you to get a voicemail back from her husband in which he was telling me she had died. If you think that didn't take a chunk of my soul  you are mistaken. I can't tell you how that felt, just listening to his voice broke my heart, to hear his agony.

We have many new posters here who have stories, equally as important to mine or yours or anyone else's. I did connect with Natalee's family early on but a family member PM'd me here first,  eventually I even spoke to Dave as well by phone as did Rick, for assistance with an internet security issue - Rick was an internet security consultant. I don't pursue the family however, never have, never will. I figure they can reach out and touch any of us here, I know Red and Klaas would facilitate that if asked.

My question to you is that if Jug is so adamant as you are stating, isn't he capable of posting here? I'd recommend if indeed he is as upset as you've tried to portray that he is. I would think he's quite capable of doing that.

Hmm *looking around*...yeah so Good Mornin None, and all..i guess the cawfee is on? *shufflin over to the pot to fix a cup* Don't mind me, carry on...*yawnn stretch*


Hopefully the net is bit nicer to me today so i can catch up on the Caylee thread. WOW!! what incredible damning stuffage. Can hardly wait for another doc dump.

Good Morning Seamonkey  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I had my first cup at 5:30, I was behind on my spreadsheets for work  ::MonkeyHaHa:: took my first call at 6 but hey, I'm not on the road so grateful for that.

Yes my daughter and I discussed the latest in the Caylee case last night, she was so worried she crawled into bed with me, but worried about posters even she has met backstabbing non stop. Son just called too, just to check on me. I'm lucky just as your mother is.

One has to wonder how Casey could have written what she did in her journal, talk about a black heart. The bigger issue is figuring out how this happens, how someone can throw away a precious child like so much garbage. We have more than enough problems in this world than to create more, right?

I think you know who I was referring to in regards to posting pics of their daughter and claiming they were the person in those pics. None, I don't know you well, but know you well enough to know you would never, ever do that, as with most Monkeys here, that was my whole point. Why would someone ever do that to their friends?

My point was also, that I love seeing Natalee's pic, I fell in love with this young lady I never met just the same as everyone else. I am glad to see her pic in your avi. That is what parents do, they post pics of their children to proclaim their loved ones, not to claim they ARE their loved ones.

I know there are extraordinary people who have struggles and step up to the plate everyday. I have always been honored to post beside the people I have met through Natalee's tragedy. My point was, I don't have time to sit on the phone conspiring to derail. You asked me if I have been on the phone this morning, and I answered you. I don't have the time or energy to do all of the conspiring I am accused of doing.

Once again, I don't pursue the family. 

Thank you for your response ldstlou. I am relieved to hear it. I would never ever wish to harm Natalee's memory in any regard.

I did try to call two of the GM posters yesterday to discuss this, to hopefully stop some of this from continuing. Neither returned my call, although I have taken calls from one of those as late as midnight in the past - even when I had to work the next day and clearly they had been drinking too. The truth of relationships isn't always what we are told by others, everyone has their side.

ldstlou, I don't know who you are referring to with the photos of their daughter, really I do not. You will need to clarify who you are referencing for I don't know.

oh geez robo-posting once again but I did want to state something about kermit to you ldstlou.

I emailed with kermit long ago, have posted with this person too. I have never found kermit to be anything but full of integrity. Have you ever thought that perhaps kermit's sense that the family has been betrayed by Silvetti is equally as important to them, as are your feelings about Jug?

I wish you would try to think of it in that vein or at least ponder it.

Oh good thing ya not on the road, i dunno about there but we were dumped with one heck of a storm, looks mainly to be ice now fallin on top of the few inches of snow we had overnight.

INRE: casey..i am beginnin to think it was all from a deep seeded mother hate issue, so she took away the thing her Mom apparently loved most (at least in casey's eyes). But who knows, thats just a speculation from a sleepy head. Also Jealousy has caused many a man to go nuts throughout history.

How one gets to that point to even feel the need to do sumtin so rotten and evil, I cant even imagine, I guess only another insane person would know.

Inre: the diary entry, i have no idea what to think, if it is indeed founded to had been written in that year..then OMFG!! what a sick twisted individual....more twisted then i imagined.  But i have a lot to catch up on, maybe they do have hard evidence showing the exact year it was written.

It was suggested in a post, which I do not have in hand nor remember the author at the moment, that Kermit used daughter's photos.

I should have shut my mouth..or my fingers None. I had no right to do that. I apologize. I will be the first to admit Lalas is a great friend. As many know, Nicholas's dad dissappeared 7 years ago and reaappeared last spring and is suing me for partial custody. I found out things I had no idea about him. He is NOT a good guy, I have been battling to keep him from my son for almost a year and Lalas offered one day to talk to me. I have cried many a tears over this custody battle with her and she has walked me though it all. I am not ashamed to say I consider her a friend, I could not have made it through this without her. I have never heard her say a bad word about anyone though, it is just not her nature.

I'm stackin  ::MonkeyDance::

Be careful on that ice for sure ! I hear we may have snow again this weekend, two snows in one winter, a big exception here. Red the dog will be so happy, he loved digging out his balls and rubber toys in the backyard from under the last snow  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I did not realize that the journal wasn't dated? See? I haven't had time to read up yet, in fact I have to do another call now so better go focus my attention. I have calls up until 10pm tonight ! Oh well........it's a job and I need to turn my attention to it now.

Whatever Casey's issues are with her mother, honestly it's my belief that our high schools do a strong enough job with our teens that Casey had to know right from wrong! I just don't cut her one ounce of slack in this ! I don't think Cindy is a shining model of behavior either and the entire thing is beyond horrible. I try not to think too long on how Caylee may have suffered, the pure physical suffering.......children are so innocent so I can't imagine how you do that to one.

and I have to state also I have never spoken to yap until she called me yesterday asking me if I had claimed she sent me e-mails. She certainly did not send me any posts or e-mails about you either and I apologized to her that she was involved at all.

None I have always said that I believe that Kermit believes what she is posting. But I am honest in saying I don't trust her nor her intentions. I have seen what I believe is evidence that it was her daughter in those pictures she posted here. I wish someone would prove me wrong, because it bothers me to no end. I like to see the best in everyone.

sorry, I just assumed everyone knew that is a major beef I have with Kermit, see now I am doing the assuming. As long as you know I was not referring to you.

There was an '03 at the top of the diary, but it might not mean a year. Tho that is how one writes a year, but doesnt mean she even used that diary when maybe she got it in '03. I guess there are pages missing. I know i once got a diary, used it twice perhaps, then found it again a few years later and started to use it again. the start of it said 78, but in actuality i didnt truly use it til like 81. So who knows. Everything about this case is odd. I do not dwell too much on lil caylee anymore, i did that too many months and was sick over it.

One thing however cases like this drill home to slap one right in the face is how very precious everyone in our lives are and how we should always let them know.

You mentioned my mom being lucky. Perhaps it is me who is luckier..I guess, but after all shes been thru and seeing as she is the one that brought me into the world ,if it means me  tossing myself in the fire a few times for her to have a lil less stress, then so be it . She certainly doesnt need any stress, no one does. and especially not on the net.

People who profess to love their own child should be able to understand that we all do.  And why it is upsetting to have internet crackpots stalking them.

And even posting false information about them on open forums.

BTW, I have always considered it WORSE to post information or attacks on an open forum than to deal with them in private emails.  I know some have stated how evil that is but from experience to me it is the lesser of the two evils.

We all love our children.  This is not peculiar to a blessed few.  And we are known by the company we keep.  If someone hangs out with people who stalk the children of others and/or post lies about other posters, I have to think they approve of that kind of thing.  Otherwise, they wouldn't seek that sort of person to associate with.

Someone in the Caylee Thread was asking which airport is better to fly into Washington DC.

I have never flown into any except Regan International.  I think Dullas is too far out and would be expensive taxi fare.

Hope this helps and gets to the right person.

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Dang - we need a new cage - getting kinda stinky in here.

Anyway - do we have any DC monks? I need some info and was wondering if anyone could help me??? TIA

I have to head out and meet a client. I will be the first to admit I have not always handled myself the way I should have throught these past few months I I apologize for that. My feelings have been hurt, it is not an excuse, but I felt attacked and I attacked back. It was the wrong thing to do. I just felt as though when I disagreed with Kermit, lines were drawn and friendships I valued deeply were lost. If I thought I was wrong about this, I would have ended it a long time ago, I don't like this anger or hostility any more than anyone else. It affects your soul, your day, your week, and every aspect of your life.

Well, I thought I just did!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

And your flight will take you to one or the other of the airports.  Most go to Regan International. 

I don't live in DC area but have son who does.  Almost afraid to say that for fear somebody will start stalking him.

But I think your flight will determine which airport and most go to Reagan.

that previous post of mine was for NONE lol..i guess my coffee isnt workin today or i have a deep seeded inner rebellion against stacking lol.

ldstlou - I've met Lala's, took she and her family to a football game. I don't think I ever deserve her speaking ill of me. I also don't think the entire event with leaking info to test waters was wise. Look what has occurred after that? I don't know who "leak" is in terms of ever having seen the email, so I'm also not confirming it was Lala's. I do know she can post here and has not been banned, so it concerns me she won't come here to discuss it. This isn't some game you play, it is about life and death of Natalee. I'm glad Yap called you, frankly I was very very concerned about your post about my posts and emails. Are you aware that any LE affiliated with cybercrimes would tell you that it's cyberstalking to post emails that aren't your emails in public domain? Your ISP will tell you, if you ask. I think a wise person would not affilliate with someone who freely sends emails and posts they portray as made by others or belonging to others, around the internet. That would be my advice to you as well, it's me today and it appears Jen too, but soon it may be you they go after. Why can't that person come here and post to me then? Why not? What do they have to hide? Those might be some of the questions you might ask them. It all reminds me of the worm that turns.

I also have learned many many lessons, some really hard lessons, since my first post here. I've shared some of those over time with even Red and Klaas even when I knew I was at fault too, and other mods. I've not been above reproach but I also haven't posted much since Rick died until recently. Sure feels like some really mean payback from a group that chose to leave SM, that chose to chat about SM non-stop in the few times I was at their chat. All I did was complain about work and travel, I feel sure that wasn't fun for them either.

Custody battles are tough on anyone, I wish you what is best for your son with that. My ex is very absent and always has been, however it didn't stop his access to the children. Hopefully you have the right experts in your corner to support it for you, such as your attorney.

Hi, Seamonkey.  I've been following along, and knew who you were posting to.     ::MonkeyWink::

Keep keeping that stress from your mom. 

so now I'm stinky  ::MonkeyHaHa:: point taken, I have to get to work !

Hiya 2nj :)

glad someone is, i kinda got lost on my own post wonderin why it wasnt a quote reply lol.

well, it certainly isnt me, i showered, im irish spring fresh lol

have a good day workin none. :) I plan to veg and catch up on some threads and watch the snow, the kids are having movie day, so i should get a lot of readin done today lol.

I'm very very sorry to interrupt a discussion, but could someone with even a little knowledge about computers answer a really stupid question for me? I'm embarrassed to even ask it, but truth is, I'm working from home today, and I'm stuck..............

I've never saved anything on a CD. I've downloaded music to one to create a music CD, but I have an excel doc that I need on a CD, and I don't know which drive to say "save in". They all tell me to insert a disc. There's a blank one in the drawer thingy, but I have two drawers, and neither seems to satisfy.

Does anyone have any advice for me? ( Be Nice! )   ::MonkeyRoll::

My laptop doesn't recognize the flash stick I have, but has a CD drawer, so I'm just trying to put it on my lappy without having to hook up internet to it so I can e-mail the excel doc. I don't have wireless.

Anyone?? TIA!

Check that you have the CD in the right way.  I've done that a couple of times.  Then, maybe we can work from there. 

CBB, have you saved the spreadsheet to your CD? You should have software with a wizard to guide you through that process. If you look in your control panel, you should be able to recognize your USB/jump drive there - as well as if a CD is in either of the CD drives. Typically if you have two CD bays, one is a CD writer and the other is just to play a CD. It all depends upon the model too.

Look in your control panel to see what is being recognized, you should see a USB typically as a K drive or that's how I typically see mine across two laptop's or my desktop. That's the easiest way to save something to export IMO

OK, I was able to download it to the flash drive, but my lappy can't handle it, so it' a CD or bust.

The CD is loaded the same way as for a music CD.......is that right?

oh good NJ Sons Mom is on the job, she's more techie than I am !

Daughter sent me this today for grins and giggles, a friend of hers who nicknamed her dogs as the Canine Mafioso  ::MonkeyHaHa::

gotta laugh.........good thing I keep cookies lying around  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I see the snark attacks continue and just won't stop.

For the record, again and again, it has been posted that no one has the right to demand personal information about another poster.  Certainly not the minute details of their job.  No poster should be required to divulge that just to satisfy some morbid curiosity.

Poster Kermit has never specified in what capacity she worked.  She has never given detailed explanation of any photos posted, whether they be specific or general or even an example.

I remember one was a presidential funeral and he/she said something like where she was in the crowd only, never anything specific.

No one is required to believe any or every thing posted by another.  We all make that choice.  But we do not all have to attack that poster every time they post and even on a personal level like this.  Feel free to disagree or present evidence to the contrary but to call that person and the whole forums liars, etc. is not going to be well received.  Nor should it be.

Example:  I don't believe a certain person involved in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway but yet I don't have to attack everybody who does and demand all kinds of personal information and call names to those who believe otherwise.

Attack the post and not the poster and present evidence to the contrary.  It's a pretty simple concept, really.

The drives are just all listed and when I click on each of them, they tell me to insert a disc, which I have done..  ::MonkeyConfused::

I'm using a music CD............could that be the problem?

I hate this. Whatever happened to floppys and drive "A"?    ::MonkeyHaHa::

LDSTLOU - I feel you pain for your custody issues.  My husband and I sought custody of his 2 children a few years back!! In 2004, we finally got custody and in 2006 I was afforded the blessing of being able to adopt my children.

I can honestly say that it was one of the most difficult times of my life!!  The emotional tool it can take on you and your SON will be forever lasting!!

I will like to offer you some advice, I hope that is OK!!

From our experience, our Family Court System is not one to be proud of!  Lawyers, who claim to care about children, suddenly don't care if there is no money and judges have way too much power!!

Please do all your own homework!  Find out everything possible about your son's father and everyday!!  Don't rely on all old info!  Keep on him!!  Don't rely on your lawyer!

Also, the old saying of who you know is very true!! We had a well know known "mothers judge."  We were being eaten alive!!  After some research, we had no choice but to change lawyers and finally got the judge to recuse herself!!  We had tries several times, but she continued to refuse to do so.  Eventually, we got a much fairer Judge by hiring the "mother's judge" friend!  We did this so their would be a conflict of interest and she would be left no choice but to recuse herself!!  Our new attorney was very good and impressed with our homework!!

One last little bit info!! If your son's father makes more money, he has to help pay your legal bills.  Lawyers hate to do it because they typically have to a wait and fight for their money!  Although, we had to pay a substantial amount of her legal fees, it can be seen as a fair law.  Just because someone has more money should not afford them more legal power is the thinking behind this law!!   It outraged us, because - but not for her own actions, we would not be there!  Yet, this info has been handy for some of my friends that ex husbands loved dragging them to court - just to mess with them!!  Not so much fun, when they had to start paying!!   

If you need any help or advice, I am here here for you!!  Again, stay strong, keep your faith and trust your own instincts!! 

Mytime

A data CD has more space but not sure what kind you have. Do you have a wizard that launches when you insert the CD? If so, you should be able to select "data" or "music"

For future reference the easiest is to have a rewriteable CD, they cost a bit more but you can delete and reload over and over.

I hope I'm not advising you incorrectly, NJ Sons Mom can you weigh in?

Is the CD in the writer drawer?  On ours it's the second one.  My son just suggested the CD may not be recognized for whatever reason.  Do you have another to try? 

#43 on: Today at 10:31:10 AM   ldstlou
I am done. When in the heck did I say NOT to focus on something???!!! Let me reiterate!!!! kermit is saying in one breath the family has Natalee's body and is hiding that fact from the world. In another breath that the ALE has her body and Kyle was complicit in that cover up. I am saying BULLSHIT to both!!!! Why am I saying bullshit? Because I asked Jug and gave you his answer...and you know I asked him Klaas. Now the references that I am a liar...and the family is lying...and I simply STATING!!!! what Jug asked me to convey to you all this morning...to pray and focus on van der straaten!!! I never once said what to discuss or not to discuss...with all due respect
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.40

FOR THE RECORD I NEVER SAID ANY SUCH THING. IDSTLOU PURPOSELY LIED.
And probably lied to Jug with her updates.

OTHER FORUM  MEMBERS CONFRONT IDSTLOU about kermit

Idstlou "Why do you want personal information on Kermit?"
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.420

]Idstlou other free birds have come forward and confirmed her statements.
Why even Jug seems to conflict with your own posts."

I still can't come close to expressing my thoughts when it comes to Idstlou's posts, so I am going to simply give up. I will say, Kermit, it was a difficult decision you made to share info with us. It took a person of great character and strength to do what was right. If it were possible, I would hug you and thank you in person. I am so sorry that you have been treated so poorly by some. In my book, you are a true hero. Thank you.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4460.520


I [THE LEAK] asked Jug about Schaeffer...he is the oil guy. He was the one that provided the cash to get down there. Silvetti knew he would get more business from Schaeffer if he mapped....while they were looking...the ocean floor.


Idstlou twists posters words around to fit HER AGENDA
Idstlou said: "It appears to me that kermit has a lot of credibility with some posters. It also appears to me part of the credibility stems from her taking down a president and working beside 2 other presidents. The only president I know that came close to being taken down was Nixon.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg609214#msg609214

kermit responded:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg609236#msg609236
Yes
Idstlou, yes I know all about what you think you know.
These are my own personal photos.


IDSTLOU CONTINUES WANTING MY PERSONAL INFORMATION:

I respond: "I'm not going to do that"
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.400


THEN BASTIBRO POSTS A PHOTO OF PRESIDENTS

bastibro
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
«
Reply #28 on: January 03, 2009, 06:05:19 PM »
Guess all of of us wanted to know so i have verified Kermit's Presidential connections
and indeed i found another pic who says a lot . .

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/verwant/Kermie.jpg
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg611296#msg611296



NOW johann555 POSTS a photo of Richard Nixon said it was me
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4351.msg618311#msg618311

idstlou CONTINUES TO GIVE MIS-INFORMATION

Idstlou said: “They were working with two FBI agents from Barbados. The footage was turned over to them.”http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.560

Idstlou said: ”The footage WAS turned over to the FBI immediately.”http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.500

BUT that is not what JUG said:

LEAK said: "This comment was made by Jug during a recent phone conversation:
All of the stuff that Kermit posted
FBI did not know about it..."

Yep - make sure it is a CD and not a DVD - the look the same but the DVD will not work in some computers. Then you just do the same thing as when you save to your computer (in the save as section) then you should have a list of places to save it to. Choose the drive with the CD in it (it will recognize it almost immediately').  The other way is that if you have auto play enabled on your CD drive, when you put the CD in it will ask what you want to do - choose the burn to CD and choose the file to put on there.

Now, there is an easier way - do you have your computers networked (meaning can you get files from one to the other) or do you have a wireless home network? If you do, then you can just make the drive of the first computer (the one with the doc on it) shared and open in from the laptop to save it there.

No walk through the way I'm doing it, but I have Nero that I use for Music that does that. Let me see if I can go that way with any more success. Thanks, 2nj and Nonesy!

I'm sorry for the hijack................thanks again!!  ::MonkeyWink::

Boyzmom? Thank you too! All of you have given me new alternatives so I'm off to try again!!

Monkeys always come to the rescue!!!  THANK YOU ALL!!!     ::MonkeyDance::

Back to my DC problem - here are the choices for airports:
Baltimore/Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport (BWI):
Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport (DCA):
Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD):

I have flown in to Regan but that is the only one - this is only my son's second time flying and first time alone - does anyone have an opinion as to which one will be easiest for him to navigate and find his shuttle?

I [THE LEAK] asked Jug about Schaeffer...he is the oil guy. He was the one that provided the cash to get down there. Silvetti knew he would get more business from Schaeffer if he mapped....while they were looking...the ocean floor.

I have only flown into Dulles once in the last two years, it really does depend on the airline that you are using. I would suggest you call into the airline, ask specifically how far the security screening is from their gates, how far to the shuttle, and if they have a map. I know American Airlines has maps of the concourses for each airport. You might also go to the website for each of those airports to view maps. Also ask if there is any construction. Only time I got 'lost' recently was in Philly and they had torn up half of the security area and hallways leading to that concourse.

CBB - check your mail!!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

 :thumleft:

Couldn't have done it without you all, but worked like a charm!!!! 

YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST!!!!!!

OTAY, PANKY!!!

I just had another thought.....depending on theboyzmom's son's age, perhaps a special accomodation can be made for someone to make sure he makes the shuttle through the airline.  Of course, this probably will have a fee, but I have read about the process for my own purposes, that being for disabled, etc.

Just so everyone understands what I am referring to and not just being hateful. I am not good at copying and pasting either!! lol Hope this works.


Kermit wrote the following:

 

Yes Idstlou, yes I know all about what you think you know.

These are my own personal photos.










489   Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -  on: January 02, 2009, 05:01:08 PM

 

 

This is what lead me to believe these were pics of Kermit. It said "these are my own personal photos", not "these are my own personal photos of someone I know".

I was later sent a photo bucket of a person who I don't believe was Kermit but a woman who works in the Nixon library who had these same photos and also claimed they were pictures of herself. My assumption now is that Kermit posted pics of someone other than herself and the only reason I can fathom for doing that is to deceive. I would love to be proven wrong because it really upsets me someone would do this.

Now you're a pro!!.   I would have offered to walk you through, but our burner drawer is stuck and we haven't been able to use it.  I tried methods to open it to no avail...seems the motor is shot.   Hoping to be able to get a new computer one of these days. 

Reagan is downtown and Dullus is further in Virginia. The Metro is just outside Reagan and I've always found it well marked. The shuttles are just outside the baggage area with the taxi stands. If it's a hotel shuttle, the hotel should be able to verify where to go at the airport. Hope that helps?

That's the only one I ever use, too, CBB.  Easy to find your way around and surprisingly small.  At least compared to Atlanta.

I see Kermit in both photos.  See the little box in the middle with Kermit in it?  Duh.

"My personal photos" suggests to me that Kermit was taking the photos.  Not that Kermit was a human in the photos.  You ASSUMED that Kermit was a human in the photos.  So, the lady who stated the photo was of her would be correct.  Kermit took the picture with Kermit's camera. 

Got it?

Move on.

Thanks Mytime! All advice on this ordeal is appreciated.
We were blessed. I have a fantastic lawyer who took the time to get to know Nicholas and I.
The ad litem is absolutely amazing. First time I left his office he gave me a big hug and promised me he would not put Nicholas in danger and he has kept his word. It appears that his dad will get 1 visit a week for 2 1/ hours and I retain all custody. Apparently I make more than him because he has asked the court for me to pay HIS legal bills!! lol
Not going to happen though. I think it is finally almost over, ad litem comes for a visit tonight and then court again next Tuesday, I think this is the best we could expect.

My little guy is a happy, healthy cookie, I think he is going to come out of this Aok!
Thank you for your concern!

so is the one on my desktop NJ Sons Mom. I didn't think of this before but shoot me an email, I'll loan you my company discount? Kind of ashamed I didn't think of that before now.

How logical is that, Wingnut?!!!    ::MonkeyWink::

I think in the context, the photos were meant to make me believe these were photos of Kermit. Maybe I am the only one who read it that way? I apologize if so, but usually if I am showing pics of friends or family, I say this is a friend or family member and then discuss a bit about them and the pic.

I am NOT being hateful, just telling you what my experience has been throughout this.

My executive friends, whom travel a LOT - both foreign and domestic - avoid Dulles if at all possible.  They prefer going through Reagan or Baltimore. 

oh and before anyone goes off like a rocket, I am allowed to share my discount with friends and family and NJ Sons is indeed a friend !

wingnut- thank you for clarifying about the photos. My head is dizzy trying to make sense of it all and I really had not even stared at the photos before !

OK, here's another computer dilemma.  Mine recently stopped playing CD's or DVD's and suddenly does nothing when one is inserted.

Any suggestions?  I seem to have some how deleted or inactivated my drivers or something for the DVD/CD rom which is also read/write both in one.  HP.

Will check back later as I am having to just walk away.

WHY DID YOU LIE?

Idstlou said: “They were working with two FBI agents from Barbados. The footage was turned over to them.”http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.560

Idstlou said: ”The footage WAS turned over to the FBI immediately.”http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.500

BUT that is not what JUG said:

LEAK said: "This comment was made by Jug during a recent phone conversation:
All of the stuff that Kermit posted
FBI did not know about it..."

Hey show of hands !!

Who thinks Billy Baldwin is way cuter than Clinton in those photos?

I DO  ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

He has a suttle from the forum that is picking him up - but I do not want it to be too complicated to getting around the airport. Probably just worrying too much  - he is a 16 year old 6 foot 4 man - and going to a national seminar on CSI and Law - nomination only!  I am so proud!

Idstlou,
WHY did YOU LIE?

#43 on: Today at 10:31:10 AM   ldstlou
I am done. When in the heck did I say NOT to focus on something???!!! Let me reiterate!!!! kermit is saying in one breath the family has Natalee's body and is hiding that fact from the world. In another breath that the ALE has her body and Kyle was complicit in that cover up. I am saying BULLSHIT to both!!!! Why am I saying bullshit? Because I asked Jug and gave you his answer...and you know I asked him Klaas. Now the references that I am a liar...and the family is lying...and I simply STATING!!!! what Jug asked me to convey to you all this morning...to pray and focus on van der straaten!!! I never once said what to discuss or not to discuss...with all due respect
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.40

I don't mean to be hateful, but Kermit NEVER stated, to the best of my knowledge, that the pics were of friends or family.  You assumed that they were pics of Kermit, and you assumed wrong - as the woman from the Nixon Library pointed out to you.

Anna, go to support at HP online and they should have downloads for your drivers. If that doesn't fix it, then they should have online help or even help forums that can help. You can also input your brand of DVD/CD into google and locate forums that have techies advice.

You are very lucky!  Our custody battle took over 2 years and well over $200,000.  My poor kids were made to get involved, lie, and forced to do terrible things.

We loved our guardian ad litem as well!!  Although she was court appointed, my husband's exes attorney filed a sneaky motion at the last minute to have her disqualified for "hearsay" testimony.  But because our attorney sat through her depo - and learned all her qualifications, she was able to get her sworn in as a expert witness, which allowed even more testimony on her behalf!!  Even our guardian ad litem was shocked!!  LOL  Thank God we had a good attorney!!

How do those photos nullify what Kyle Kingman posted?

Attack the post and not the poster means the information provided by the poster, not some incidental side issue.

It doesn't matter what a person does for a living and is none of anybody's business.

Yes, everyone else got the joke with kermit in the photos.

Move along, indeed.  Just another personal attack and does nothing to refute the evidence presented which would be the direct words of Kyle. 

You can never be too careful, even when they are large and tall. You should be very proud of him indeed!

I am glad CBB knew the airports better than myself too, I'm weird in that LaGuardia is a piece of cake for me - it's O'Hare that drives me nuts. Many say just the opposite, go figure.

Can you tell two of my calls were now postponed until later today?  ::MonkeyHaHa:: robo-poster am I !

Kerm honey - I've found that when a person lacks credibility and integrity themselves - those are the first things they try to attack in others.

Joran did it to Natalee
ALE did it to Natalee
ALE did it to her family
Aruban media did it to Natalee
Aruban media did it to her family
Aruban government did it to Natalee's family
Aruba did it to US media

And I see the same tactics here toward you.

Keep your chin up, and consider the source my friend.   :smt056

Idstlou said: "If I am wrong, I apologize, because then indeed I have been mislead by those trying to discredit you. "

Kermit said: "Yes Idstlou, yes I know all about what you think you know.
These are my own personal photos."

BUT You are the one who said:

Idstlou said: "so you were secret service...and you "took down" the president you were working for?

Kermit said: "No I won't explain it to you because it's not relevant to Bringing Natalee Home."

OTHER POSTERS TRIED TO TELL YOU TOO
Maggie said: "Idstlou,
Give it up. IMO your questions about which president and how are none of your business and have nothing to do with Natalee"

Wreck said: "Kermit never claimed herself to be FBI"

klassend said: "Kermit has said they won't give you any more personal information so please quit asking now that she has answered.

BUT YOU CONTINUED:
Idstlou said: "Why am I stirring a pot
<snip>
It also appears to me part of the credibility stems from her taking down a president and working beside 2 other presidents.

Why do you want personal information on Kermit?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.420



ldstlou
If you believe Kermit putting pictures on of a family member has compromised her integrity,
inspite of the fact that the other free birds have come forward and confirmed her statements.
Why even Jug seems to conflict with your own posts according to the leak who is part of your information group. You are the one who wanted to know personal information by your own admission.


Idstlou said: "If I am wrong, I apologize, because then indeed I have been mislead by those trying to discredit you. "

You are wrong. And you caused me grievous harm. I hope you are happy.

This is a post from Kermit.I think it says it best!I PROUDLY STAND WITH THE FROG. ::MonkeyWink::

KEEPTHEFAITH

I do believe it has compromised her integrity, for me it has. I said earlier, if it were up to me, I would post my son's pictures all over the world..lol..I think he is the most glorious guy in the world and I LOVE to brag about him and share him with the world.

Jug does not conflict with my statements. A personal e-mail from a "leak" whi I have no idea is, that claims Jug stated what Kermit says he stated is not evidence at all in my mind.

I have to go, not derailing, I have to go.

I just said I do not trust kermit and I thought I should explain again why. Not a personal attack, just my beliefs based on what I have seen.

I said I do trust Jug and I know he does not agree with Kermit. That is all I need...not saying it is for anyone else, but it is all I need as proof.

One last note, I don't go around asking people for personal info either. I asked follow up questions to statements made by Kermit like she had served Presidents, served our Country and had personally taken down a President. I think I had asked which President when kermit decided to post these pics.

ok...gotta run.


oh wait!! One more!! I know I misread the posts originally and thought it said the family had Natalee's body. I have to go back and reread so I know why originally I assumed that. I have been told over and over and over about that. It was not a lie, I made a mistake and YES!  I corrected it to Jug!!! After that I just copied and pasted directly from here all info via e-mail so I would not get it wrong again.

Here is my question based on what I have seen!  Now please keep in my mind I am not a NH posters!

Some believe Kermit!  Some believe Kyle! 

It appears that SM is a supporter of Kermit!  And I originally thought CnG was a place for those who believed in Kyle - which I believe still has some merit to it!!

But it appears that if someone questions Kermit, then they are perceived as trouble makers??  Through this division in the search for Justice for Natallee, many friendships have been destroyed and displace anger has become a weapon to vent all the frustrations and heart ache - you all have so passionately dedicated your time and heart too!

Please help me understand - where I am wrong??

I think what it boils down to is that ldstlou has lost her credibility here.
She has posted things that are untrue and hateful.  We said that she was
fed misinformation, but she kept posting it  When she does post anything, I just
dismiss it as more bull.

Kermit, on the otherhand, is credible to a fault.  Nothing ldstlou or anyone
else says will change my opinion on that.

MyTime, where you are wrong is that Kermit has NEVER posted any information of her own.  All the information provided comes ONLY from direct quotes from Kyle.

It is Kyle who said all the conflicting stuff and that only ALE was given access to the contents of the crap trap.

All Kermit did was to collect the information provided by Kyle into one place.  Some of it came from another Natalee forum.

Then there is another character involved named CapsLockWizard which is a whole other issue.

But that's it in a nutshell.  Kermit is not asking anybody to believe her about anything.  She is just posting Kyle's own words which very likely Kyle should have kept to himself.

Hope this helps.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::  Oh yes!! LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thank you Anna!! 

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I do!!!

OK - I am only asking.................I don't even know her!!  That being said.....

Here is a woman who loves her son, more than anything!  Natalee has caputered her heart ans soul, like all of you!!  Why would she intentionally mislead anyone??

Am I naive??  But I think  her posts here have been admirable!!  She was respectful, shared her passion and pain!  Her goal appears to be the same as all you - she just believes differently than some of you!!  Maybe she has been mislead, maybe her research has brought her down a different path...........but her goal is the same!!  Wouldn't you agree on that???

I have wondered what she is up to today.
It is nothing like what she has been posting for months now.
Yesterday she was trying to discredit Red and Klaas in the Natalee thread.
I am not sure of her goal at this point.
Go figure!

Hey Juju! it was so sweet of you to ask about me! How have you been feeling? Winter always gets me down. Every year it gets worse & worse! I just try to look forward to Spring! I am sorry to hear about your husband's job. i wish I could help. My husband lost his job a few years ago just a week before Katrina devastated our area! He ended up going to nursing school & it's the best thing he ever could have done. Things will get better, I promise! CYA! Monken

I don't have much to say about ldstlou mytime.I think her own words do it for her!If she doesn't like Scared Monkey's and the way they operate what are you doing here?

Here is my last comment on the subject!

I have complete admiration for all of you that have dedicated yourself for the Justice Of Natalee over the years!!  It has been a roll a coaster of a journey!  There has to be something good in all of you - to have your hearts be so touched by this and for that I chose to see mostly very caring, decent people!!

I pray that Natalee and her family get the jutice they so desperately deserve!!

KTF - I completely understand that!  But here is another side to that - I did not always agree with how my Mother raised us - however, I would never have traded her for anything!!  ::MonkeyTongue::

I think your all to familiar with the way GM works.No?To continue to bash SM and the way it operates is utterly disrespectful.Then to come here and post after you badmouth SM!I can not,nor will not respect people who associate themselves with stuff like that!PERIOD....People can't have it both ways...

Hello, this is the second time I have been on today and no Klaasend,  where is she????? ::MonkeyNoNo::

She had an appointment.  She'll be back.  There is life for Klaas outside of the cage, believe it or not.

Ouch!!!!  I was just worried about her, there is so much crud going around. 

I have to respond to this and I have to say like Magnolia, all of the pieces don't fit here. ldstlou was at GM posting more insults toward me even this morning. My concern is that this is far larger than just ldstlou and I've stated that, many of the GM crew leaped to join CnG. Not all, but most. It's the people behind the curtain that anger me the most, such cowards unwilling to use their own voice, only to manipulate others.

I am going to keep my eyes wide open, if some have now become contrite because they see now others will report them and stop their threats, well I'm not going to just say hey well ldstlou said they didn't mean it so it's all good. I can't and won't, trust is earned not given.

For the record, I have never posted an email on any forum, I haven't been emailing posts or manufactured posts or doctored posts for this battle. I still haven't seen the leak email and I can't find it here either.

But I'm sure blamed for it.

something continues to be rotten in denmark........

I didn't mean to sound so abrupt.  I can't help but be defensive on her behalf, because she's always here and obliging to all the members.   

I know, its ok.

It is weird, isn't it? Klaas was in the hospital for over a week once (she's posted about it in the smoking thread) and it was so strange here! It just didn't seem right........... she's as much a part of SM as the monkey Logo!!   ::MonkeyWink::

PEANUT!!! ARE YOU HERE???

I've been trying to flag you down! I have this, if you should want it!!   ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/St%20Pat/Peanut.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/St%20Pat/Peanut.gif

I am not!!  I have been trying to learn here as well!  Please look at when I joined and how many posts I have there.  I was asked to join but a close friend - whose name I have never seen mentioned in a deflamatory way - by anyone!

I have never heard her say anything bad about Klaas!  I have heard her upset how several on all sides have been attacked, because this does not help the cause for Justice for Natalee.

All this way so new to me!  I have already made one big mistake by joing CnG and fear I may being making another one -as a few there - have made it known - that they don't want me there - and I have not sure I want to get involved with all that drama, although I don't like being bullied and will usually not allow anyone to try an intimidate me!!

I am here - with no hidden agendas!  I have been as honest as humanly possible!  I have tried to make ammends for being so stupid!! So, Please don't make assumptions about me!!

Also, I too have friends still on the memebrship list of CnG!  Just because they are on there, does not mean they are still members!!  They may have joined mistakenly and have chose not to bother to have their account deleted!  I sincerely hope they are not judged too!!

aye, capn! wanna shiver my timbers?

San and I were in a panic too !!

She needs a break, deserves a break - unlike myself she NEVER complains !!

thank you cbb!

I know!  I don't know how she does it!  At one time, I stupidly thought SM was a like a big Corporation and Klaas was the manager!  I had no idea how much she has dedicated herself to to SM, the missing children and several us pain in the butt posters!! 

aww, very cute!!!!

Now, I know I have read that before, and am sure I know who posted it.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

No shiverin now, Peanut! You're dressed!!   ::MonkeyWink::

Sorry for the quote stack - but I din't know how people shorten them!!

NO, NO, this was when I first joined!  ::MonkeyWink::  I even remember asking in a post - what is a global moderator!!  LOL   ::MonkeyRoll::  BTW - no anwered me!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thank you, MT!

Sorry I missed the post.............. I've developed a craving for those Andes mints for some reason, and was just looking for a stray one in the desk drawer!!

CHOKKY CRAVING!!!    ::MonkeyNoNo::

None, I was as ticked off at you this morning as you were of me. I took phone calls from people I have never spoken to asking me why I stated that they sent me e-mails. I was mad as hell that you assumed i was talking about Lalas and Yap and I told you so. I told you, I felt attacked and I attacked back, not the right thing to do, but I think many of us have done the same as of late. And for the record here, Lalas has never spoken a bad word to me about anyone, and I had never spoken to yap until she called me yesterday asking what was going on.

I believe trust is earned and not given also. No one has taken more heat lately then me. I can't go to the Natalee thread anymore without being called a troll and treated with disrespect. You dished out much of that disrespect, and I had not spoken to you in years...so why come after me?

GM invited me about 2 weeks ago and I said sure. I will state it again, it is so nice to be able to post without people dogging every one of my posts with nasty comments. I have not seen anything "hinky" at GM and until I do, I will continue to post there.

Everyone is trying desperately to determine what is the truth and what is not the truth. But I will say it again, there is never "hinky" business when it comes to my son, you will find me the meanest Momma Bear there ever lived when it comes to my baby bear!!!! Same with most Monkeys here. So lets talk about character here. Lets talk about what started this whole division. I posted the thread that kermit posted her pics. I invite anyone to read the context of the post where Kermit posted those pics then I ask you, why she didn't say this is my beautiful daughter. No instead she posted those when I was asking what President she "brought down". That is 'hinky". That is deception. THAT is when I began to take the heavy attacks!!!

You are darned tootin' I have been defensive at times...I have taken such crap so people can "stand" for a woman who posts pics of her daughter and claims they are herself. No way I will stand with someone like that..nor trust their posts.

As I said, MT.....

I was a local moderator as a child....................

 :roll:

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I can only hope my presence helps you with your diet!!  LOL  ::MonkeyWink::

OK, one more time.

Kyle posted some stuff here.  He was also posting on another closed Natalee forum.  There he was posting/bragging about not turning things over to the FBI or family, how the corrupt Aruban police were given exclusive access to what may have been Natalee's remains in a fish trap.


Then Kyle discussed various deals he tried to make with TV networks, etc. to sell video of the dives, all without having given them to the family or FBI.

Kermit and several others on the forum were shocked and outraged and brought that information, provided and straight from Kyle over here.  Kermit did not come alone.

Since then all ldstlou had done is attack kermit and the entire forum some days, called us liars, lied to Jug Twitty, etc.  She has been the one doing the majority of attacking.  In fact, all of it directed at Kermit.

She always has all the time in the world to attack but never to actually read any of the responses or information given to her and some of us have just become weary of it.

I don't know how she dares to complain about attacks when she along with Hotshots are the primary attackers.

And we have all heard the routine about tears streaming, etc.  Why is she crying about something kermit never claimed in the first place?  And now it's all about HER and what she FEELS and THINKS.

All we are asking is for information refuting the facts that kermit has provided, the words of Kyle.  Instead all we get are constant attacks on Kermit.  Well, any of the others from that forum could have posted the same things but guess then she would be attacking them.  I am sure Murt claims also to only care about the missing, too. 

It's not a matter of "believing" Kermit but about what Kyle himself said.  Kermit's credibility has nothing at all to do with what Kyle said.  Others from where Kyle said it verify that Kyle said it.  If Kermit were a circus clown, it still wouldn't change what Kyle said so why the constant attacks on kermit?

You tell me.


.

Well,  as a global moderator, I can moderate a'round' the forum.          ::MonkeyHaHa::

I remember when you asked that, btw, mytime. 

Knock ---- Knock, excuse me but if any of you all are following the Haleigh case - CNN Headline just said there was an arrest made near the home and more news - if the arrest is related or not in a few minutes.....


Carry on

WOW! Thank you for that information!!!!!

OH!!!!  Wow!!  See this is how uniformed I am..........I thought Kermit was inside source!!!  Now I get it!!!  Thank you Anna for taking the time to explain this to me!! 

News conference at 3  CNNHL

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I have been noticing that a LOT of people lately have "hinky meters".  Most seem to be broken.

I am thinking of opening a "hinky meter repair shop".....Think its a good idea?  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Possibly..............  (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/mt.gif) (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/andes.jpg)

Or watch it live here:  http://www.wesh.com/index.html

Thank you so much for the news!!

not to mention how damn cute i look. ::MonkeyTongue::

You continue to twist what was posted.  Look very closely at the photos YOU posted, the personal attack you made on kermit again today.

Do you see the little green frog in the photos?

Apparently it went right over your head, as does most everything else, that kermit was joking about the FROG in the photos.

She NEVER said who was in them.  YOU are the only one saying all that.

But regardless of whether or not kermit would be the biggest liar on the planet, it STILL doesn't change what KYLE said.

The information was direct posts from Kyle and verified by many more than just kermit as there are others from Freebirds who backed up that Kyle did in fact make those posts.

So why do you keep talking about whether or not kermit is credible?  It doesn't matter because kermit does not effect what Kyle posted and claimed in Kyle's own words.

You would have to be calling all the Freebirds liars as well but guess that will be next.  You sure have called the SM a few things.  Where is one person saying that Kyle did not say any of that?  Not even Kyle has made that claim, only you seem to think you know more than he does about what he said.

Again, it is not about kermit's credibility or employment history or anything else at all.  It is only about what Kyle posted in regard to the ocean search.

As a global moderator, I've gotten very, very, ROUND..... :roll:

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

You do???   :2redface:

and i don't blush easy!!! LOL

Arrest not related - Media gone wild again!

Again, fine.  Don't believe Kermit.

But it is Kyle who said he did not give the film to the FBI or the family but tried to sell it to networks, not kermit.

So if someone else from Freebirds had posted this information, would you be attacking them like this?

And kermit did not say any of those things you claim.  I do seriously think you should take the time to actually read things for a change instead of always going off half cocked.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Should I be afraid to ask???????  ::MonkeyWink::

Do the handles at my waistline count?  I had a feeling sitting for long periods of time & gravity might have had something to do with it.         ::MonkeyTongue::

Gads, now they are saying he is SO - within a mile and they won't exclude anyone......
this county talks out of both sides of their mouth!
So, he is not excluded

I kept wanting to say.............."Here, kitty, kitty, kitty" ..............

There is a link in my signature line, but everybody's so used to me hunting them down, that I've gotten an e-mail avalanche wondering where I am and why I haven't given them their Holiday outfits........ and then there's those really polite monkeys that just think I'm too busy to do it, and don't ever say anything at all! So, their avis sit in the list and they go nekky!!! 

This "re-training" thing is hard!!!     ::MonkeyHaHa::

Half the time, I can't get monkeys to go on the paper, much less get them to the Lounge Thread!  :roll:

Yes, I know, They are driving me nuts.
They sure aren't as open as LE in Orange County was!  Maybe this is a good thing, though, from a LE perspective.

I spent a lot of time on the Caylee thread early on.  I guess you can say I had a little burn out after a while and went back to spend more time in Natalee's thread.  I still pop in both Caylee & Haleigh threads but am not up to speed in either, at the moment, sad to say. 

ldstlou - this is a VERY important point I want to make

WHO, WHAT, or WHERE and even IF Kermit has a daughter should not ever be any of your concern. That's the RISK YOU ACCEPT on the internet, to have to take people at face value. You don't have the right to ask kermit if they have a daughter or to investigate her to discover that or other personal information.

That is a big hard lesson learned from my years here too, what's good for this goose can be good for you the gander.

Good Afternoon Monkeys!!  ::cartwheel::

My computer is working (for now) - and I did it all by myself.  I was using IE - then I switched to Firefox - still wasn't working.......Now I am using a browser called Maxthon 2.5.1 - I can do everything so far!  YEAH!!  ::MonkeyDance::

Yeah!!! It's called the

"Scrollin, Scrollin, Scrollin
   Gee, My azz is Swollen"  BLUES!!
   

I so love this post  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

WOW!!  :shock:

Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night??

 ::MonkeyTongue::

LOL - why didn't you answer me????????                        j/k  ::MonkeyWink::

I'll give you Caylee's in a nutshell.

Lee's the Daddy
Lee's not the Daddy
Lee's the Daddy
Lee's not the Daddy
Lee's the Daddy
Lee's not the Daddy

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Me too, None!!!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Hi Jackie!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

hey I wanna dance too, another business call was cancelled and Jackie hooray !!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyEek::

No,

I was a cute little tyke with remarkable negotiating skills...........

I decorated mudpies.

Here is something fun for everyone, take your frustrations out with this instead of people who dare to have opinions.

www.faceinhole.com

My son introduced me to it  ::MonkeyHaHa::

OKay, CBB, Fess up. As a child making mudpies, did you ever venture to taste one?
I made a gorgeous one once, decorated it with quince blossom petals and all,and took a BIG BITE.
AT the moment my Mother came screeching out of the house to make me spit it all out. I was devastated.  ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

I have the same memory!!   ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

That's funny!!!  I used to collect all the little tiny medicine bottles and perfume bottles from my relatives and neighbors.  Then I would put colored paper with water in the bottles to make different colored "medicine".  Some of the bottles had little tiny droppers and I would "doctor" my dolls.  (BTW, I still have some of the perfume bottles and they are valuable now.  I have over 100 bottles.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Oh! I knew we were sistahs!!   ::MonkeyDance::

I preferred the buttercup flavor myself, but must say, my Mother wasn't as attentive!

She should have dewormed me along with the dogs!   :roll:

I was probably just trying to keep up with the case or staying on topic??  I sometimes think of a response, then decide, maybe I'll wait...then the moment is lost as well as the response. 

Heck, to be honest, I don't remember why I didn't answer you!!   It was a while ago, iirc.........  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

You still have them?  Are you a pack rat??  My husband throws everything out!! Then I make him go out and get it of the trash!!  I have to watch him carefully!!   ::MonkeyWink::

None, thanks for the advice on my vanishing CD Rom.  It says Code 10 error that it cannot start.  HP website pretends it knows nothing because the drive is made technically by Philips.  Dutch company.  That must explain it.

I will try internet forums and see if can find anything there.

Yes, I do still a lot of them but they are from the 40's.  They are in the shape of tiny people or elephants or clocks.  They are cute.  I also have my Mom's only doll.  She is over 80 years old, and all of our pink depression glass.

 ::MonkeyShocked::  You have worms?????????? I am telling........... ::MonkeyHaHa::

::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

It's just my own opinion mytime.I understand that you've been honest and forthright with many things and it is appreciated.As for people associating themselves with such garbage at both sites(CnG and GM).I find it appalling and disrespectful,to say the least,to come post at SM when you post at those sights.I take no issue with you mytime unless you continue to uphold those that either post,and or associate themselves with such garbage at either sight.It's just my opinion!

KEEPTHEFAITH

Mytime, I think we were all watching the webcam.....Nut didn't sound too happy at that moment.     ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Where is Klaas? Look a baby monkey
http://www.faceinhole.com/us/create/baby-monkey-costume/96ebda2b-9823-4c42-8267-c9bfac388c69/

ahhhhh, staying on topic.....another little issue I had too!!   ::MonkeyRoll::  ::MonkeyTongue::

When I was a little kid, I must have overwhelmed my family or something.  They would let me do most anything as long as I was quiet.

When I made mudpies, I would get in the fridge and get real eggs and stuff.  They would set up like cement then, haha.

Jam on top, etc.  And used to eat butter.  Like a candy bar.

Was real skinny too for some reason.

Anyway, just remembered that when Art said she tried to eat one of her mudpies.  I had a cousin who ate dirt but his family was told was magnesium deficiency.  He would eat out of flower pots even.

Then here in the south we have clay eaters as we have pure white clay like white chocolate.  Unfortunately it is the stuff they make Kaopectate from so you can guess what that does to kids that eat it.

Just rambling.  Or musing.

ROFLMAO!!!  ANd they looked SO pretty, pretty enough to eat!!!   ::MonkeyLaugh::

Can you go to the site for Phillips? I'll google with you, see if I can find it. Persistence usually yields results unless they want you to just upgrade your drive or..........worse if it's broken and you need to replace it. That being said most ROM's pop out easily to be replaced?

OH NO!!! - you found it!  Yeah, I am not sure I made a big hit!!  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

OMG< I know! I wonder what all we ate with those mudpies? lol
Buttercup..now that sounds good!   ::MonkeyLaugh::

Did you check to see if it is loose?  I had one work loose and my son secured it and wala - laptop knew it had a cd rom again!

I could play with whatever the older sister didn't want to play with - she didn't know Barney said caring is sharing  ::MonkeyHaHa::

We used to play a game where she was the Earth Mother, sat up on top of our front steps and we little people made our requests for her to turn us into an animal. One day she made me a buzzard and told me to go sit on top of a huge shrub as my nest?  ::MonkeyShocked:: I did it, stupid me. Sat down and fell backwards into the ditch that ran in front of the house and yes there was a foot of mud in the bottom of it. I recall my mother yanked me out by my feet and threw me under the outdoor hose  ::MonkeyWaa::

That being said, did anyone here ever successfully bake anything to done in an Easy Bake Oven?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

OH Anna, so glad my mudpies weren't made of that white clay! ROFLMAO

Hmmm .I had an older sister like that too. Real PIA, lol, and I was REAL gullible.

Bet your Mother didn't appreciate that mudbath you had, lol

No Art, my mother is truly OCD so she did NOT appreciate it  ::MonkeyHaHa:: I may have even gotten a swat or two for being too gullible  ::MonkeyHaHa::

KTF - I 100% agree with your opinion about CnG!!  I don't want anything to do with anyone that is an active poster there!!  I will not judge anyone by the membership list though!  I made that mistake already withouth realizing it!  I did so with no malice intentions!

I will continue to try to keep an open mind about that one! ::MonkeyWink::

None -is she truly OCD? Is this a senstative issue for you?  The reason I am asking is because we all like to tease Jackie about having it - of course - we diagnosed her!! LOL

My husband says I have it too because I am such a neat freak!!

That is what I do!  I make jokes about things that bother me!  Right now, in my own life, I have some real serious things going on!  I have cried, I have been angry, now I joke!!  It is my way of dealing with things!!  It is not meant to hurt or disrespect anybody!! 

Honestly, some have been invited and have no idea what is all going on still - mostly because they don't go there!!  And we are having trouble contacting some, as well.  One woman in particular husband is very sick!!  I am not going to bother her right now - with this stuff! She has more important things going on in her life right now!!

http://www.youtube.com/v/ZhODBFQ2-bQ&hl=en&fs=1

OMG!!  I have an older sister too that was real PIA!! - 3yrs older and she still tries to boss me around!!  LOL

She is, it impacts in only certain ways such as washing her hands incessantly, refusing to use any public restroom, not touching door knobs, etc due to fear of germs. She tends to be a borderline hoarder too at times, but it's selective and not sweeping across all areas. She's also very noble, very proud, and very bright. I have no greater champion or critic, sword cuts both ways  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I tended to need to have control until I had kids, I've always worked so at that point, I just had to let go of any neurosis to survive  ::MonkeyHaHa:: I also married the biggest slob ever but then when I divorced him, I can't say I became immaculate either. I think I am somewhere in the middle.

I know this will make you laugh being the child of a police captain, my friends as they became teens used to laugh about how we could never sneak out from my house. When they spent the night, often my mother would be up and the wee hours on a whim vacuuming  ::MonkeyHaHa::

At GM you should be fully aware as it's posted for all to see.Take a gander at the way they are even talking about None's son dressing up like a cheerleader!If that's the type of company people want to keep.No friends of mine!

AW...THAT was CUTE!  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Klaas

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Did you just come from the dentist - by any chance??   ::MonkeyHaHa::

KTF, that's telling isn't it? We know how sincere ldstlou and friends are, now don't we?

I hadn't bothered to look - sounds like a good dose of jealousy doesn't it?

Mean hearts, petty minds I say.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::

WHERE has that video been??? Calling Bud'sgirl..............     

Hi Klaas!!!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Nothing like getting diagnosed by a bunch of Monkeys, LOL!!  :smt090 The sad part is - I believe they are right.

It's actually very sickening.Anyone that associates with a forum,that allows posters to demean children of other poster's,needs to take a moment to reflect on who they are associating with.PERIOD.How disgraceful!

I agree, These are NOT nice people. They actually seem "proud" of their nastiness.
Surprised they are letting the "world" see them in all their glory.

The good thing is that they are all "There" in one place. Good place for them and the more power to them.
The problems arise when they "leak" over here with their nastiness.

Interesting how they feel they can come here and say whatever they want about anyone here and yet, say one word they don't like and BAM.
 Yeah, real nice people.

I like to think of their little site as the "asylum". It sort of keeps them "off the streets".

 ::MonkeyShocked:: I am afraid to go look!! But I will in a little bit!!  Right now I have to have "familytime!"  I will be back - when it is "mytime!"  ::MonkeyWink::


None, I am sorry that you are being hurt right now!!

Thanks KTF and Artcolley, I have others reviewing it - takes time for actions to have results. I agree they deserve each other, couldn't agree more with that.

ArtColley

I agree, These are NOT nice people. They actually seem "proud" of their nastiness.
Surprised they are letting the "world" see them in all their glory.

The good thing is that they are all "There" in one place. Good place for them and the more power to them.
The problems arise when they "leak" over here with their nastiness.

Interesting how they feel they can come here and say whatever they want about anyone here and yet, say one word they don't like and BAM.
 Yeah, real nice people.

I like to think of their little site as the "asylum". It sort of keeps them "off the streets".

Way to put things in perspective! ::MonkeyWink::

You're welcome.

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Yeah, I little bit ago  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Your account at GM has been deleted yeahhhhhh!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: really? Too funny  ::MonkeyHaHa::

So Carnut says.The two first posters.Ldstlou,as well as BleachedBlack!

KTF do you  mean that good cop/bad cop ldstlou that showed up here today to make nice?

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: I'm so glad carnut had to lift a finger !

They had to have the dog and pony show.You were voted off by unanimous decision i must say.All what?12 of them... ::MonkeyHaHa::

oh good! They must be SO proud !

btw I meant share this earlier when Kermit gave us the path to report for CnG yesterday. There is a great little tool I've used for many years called Snag-It. The latest version makes screen captures, even entire scrolling pages and also imprints the image with a date and time stamp! I recommend it highly  ::MonkeyWink::

I believe they deleted the thread BB started in regards to the voting!How funny..

So now we know why BB was posting about cheerleaders all of a sudden.  And she claims to have always been so nice.  Not the way I remember it at all. 

This is just so disgusting I am at a loss for words.

And over the course of four years, many of us have had our share of spats but guess what?  We got over it because it was not about us in the long run but Natalee.

Some think they can dig up old arguments and get them going again but we are better people than that. 

I have to say that this recent practice of including the children of posters is a new low and something I have never encountered on any forum before.

It needs to be stopped by whatever means necessary.

It will be Anna, it will be.

If they were human it might matter, I've decided they lost all humanity when each one came over here to slam not just me but others - over and over and over again.

My children are more mature than they are, by light years.

I take issue with this post at Goldmonkey.  I DO NOT POST EMAIL ADDRESSES of forum members.  If I have ever done it it was done on the request of the MEMBER. 

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That's why i applaud Klaas,as well as the rest of the Mods for continuing to keep posts open and letting them continue to post!We can all JUDGE for ourselves and know who to stear clear of at this point in time!

KEEPTHEFAITH

I'm glad you posted that Klaas, I didn't think you did either and have searched and searched here never to find any evidence that you ever did either. I know I haven't posted emails but they sure have.

My daughter just said HOW LAME  ::MonkeyHaHa::