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Missing, Exploited and True Crime => Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND) => Topic started by: klaasend on February 20, 2009, 11:17:00 PM



Title: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 02/13/09 #1 1/20/09 - 1/15/10
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2009, 11:17:00 PM
http://www.bigcatdesigns.com/amber/amber.htm

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Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2009, 11:18:17 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,496664,00.html

Family Asks for Help as Police Call Off Search for Missing California Teen
Thursday , February 19, 2009

(http://www.foxnews.com/images/508701/2_62_021909_amber.jpg)


ADVERTISEMENTThe search for a missing 14-year old California girl was called off as it entered its sixth day Thursday.

The family of Amber LeeAnne DuBois said the teen was last seen shortly after 7 a.m. Friday while walking to Escondido High School.

Investigators have learned that DuBois talked to a friend on her cell phone on her way to class that morning, San Diego radio station KFMB reported.

Witnesses claimed to have spotted her in downtown Escondido Saturday and Sunday nights.

The teen's father, Maurice DuBois, said reports of a possible sighting of his daughter Saturday were considered unreliable. He said his daughter is very structured — not the type of girl to disappear on her own.

Police have decided to wait to get better leads before resuming the search, KFMB reported.

Meanwhile, family members have set up a Web site with pictures and contact information for the missing girl, and are pushing for the search to go nationwide.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: joesamas mama on February 20, 2009, 11:27:45 PM
I will pray for Amber tonight. I hope she is found safe.  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on February 20, 2009, 11:37:29 PM

I think the sightings are unreliabe and this young lady is being held against her will or the worst has happened. This is very upsetting especially being close to home. They did a door to door search in the area she was supposedly seen (2 sightings). She does not seem like the kind of girl to just leave her parents.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on February 20, 2009, 11:54:36 PM


A sight that lists some of the missing. I am sure there are many
sites, and missing

http://beonthelookoutfor.com/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 21, 2009, 05:56:19 PM
myspace set up for Amber
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=454447308

Weekend Search Parties for Missing Escondido Teen
Last Update: 12:43 am 
ESCONDIDO - It's been one week since 14-year-old Amber LeeAnne Dubois disappeared on her way to Escondido High School last Friday around 7 AM.

All weekend long the family will be leading search parties, and are asking the public to join.

Search groups of six will meet and head out from the corner of Vista Ave. and Broadway in Escondido. Groups will begin gathering at 6 AM and finish up their searches at dusk. Groups will go out on a rotating basis, so you are encouraged to come at any time.

To participate you must be 18, bring a government issued ID, not be convicted of any felony, and wearing rugged clothing. Volunteer crews will head into rural areas of local mountains--to spots where police have not searched yet.

Friday night, hundreds of people came out for a candlelight vigil in Amber's honor at Escondido High School.

Family members say their resolve is strengthened by the community's outpouring of support.

Maurice Dubois, Amber's father, said the flames were symbolic. "Hope, little sparks of hope all over the place...Hopefully these lights will guide her home."

Amber's mother, Carrie McGonigle, found the night reassuring. "After a week, its hard to stay positive, but I see these people and all their love. She's got to come home, she's just got to be found!"

McGonigle does not believe reports to police that Amber was seen in Downtown Escondido last weekend. "She wouldn't be that close to home and not come home. I don't believe that!"

Amber's best friend, Jade Fidel, thinks the rumors at school that Amber is a run away are totally wrong. "People are making up stories because they can't cope with what's going on."

Jade hoped Amber could get a message from the candlelight vigil's flames. "To me, when I look at fire, it really makes me think calm...I really want that to be sent out to Amber, calm down, get your head together and come find us."

The FBI also is getting involved in Amber's search.

Escondido Police is treating the case as a possible abduction but is not ruling out the possibility she ran away.

Amber's family has maintained that running away is "completely out of character" for the teen. They said she is a good student who was excited about starting a school project that involved a lamb the Friday she disappeared.

The family has hired private detective Bill Garcia, who has been involved in a number of high-profile cases in the county.

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Weekend-Search-Parties-for-Missing-Escondido-Teen/OaJ8wB1RSEyUrWTuM4z38A.cspx


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 21, 2009, 05:58:48 PM
 Missing Teen Lead 2/20/09 video
The private investigator for the family of a missing teen says a girl with similar features to Amber was almost abducted by a man in a white utility vehicle.
http://www.sandiego6.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoID=580326




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 21, 2009, 06:06:26 PM
Family, Friends, Strangers Search for Missing Teen
Updated 2:07 PM PST, Sat, Feb 21, 2009

An estimated 300 volunteers showed up to help in the search for a missing Escondido girl Saturday, private investigator Bill Garcia said.  The 14-year-old went missing on Friday February 13.  She was last seen walking to Escondido High School.
 
Areas being searched include:

El Norte Parkway
Interstate-15 east to Lake Wohlford
North to Palomar Mountain
West along state Route 76 to Riverside County

Mary Schmit and Raquel Suitts helped scour the Lake Wohlford area.  They don't know Amber, but said the community needs to come together and find this young girl.

The mother of Brittany Hart is also showing her support to the family.
 
"I just want to give the parents my moral support because I know what they're going through," said Karen Hart.
 
Her 24-year-old daughter Brittany went missing in 2007.  Brittany was murdered and her body was found in a rural area of East County.   The man accused of killing her is heading to trial for the murder.

Meantime, more than 200 people came out in support of the family Friday evening.  People held candles outside the school in hopes Amber would be brought safely home.

"Basically, it kind of hits home because I know how I'd feel if I'd lost a child," said Escondido resident Amy Clark.
 
"It's not just the county, the word is spreading across the country and everyone is praying for her and her family," said family friend Joe Peters.
 
Amber's parents are grateful for the large turnout and support they've gotten since Amber disappeared.
 
"A lot of people loved Amber and they still do, they want her home," said her mother Carrie McGonigle.  Carrie says she last saw her daughter before she headed to school.  "Someone has her, she's not just hiding from me or hiding from the house, someone has her".
 
The possibility of abduction scares everyone, especially parents.
 
"My mom doesn't even let me walk around the streets anymore, she's afraid it'll happen to me," said Amber's friend Taylor Doyle.
 
Amber's father believes his daughter is still alive and he vows to never stop searching for her.
 
"I sleep an hour or two a night, and last night I don't even know if I got that," said Maurice Dubois.
 
If, by chance, Amber did runaway, Carrie McGonigle has this message for her daughter.
 
"Just come home, you won't be in trouble, just come home," McGonigle said.
 
The family is offering a $500 dollar reward for any information about her whereabouts.   Her father says the reward money will go up as more donations come in.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Family-Friends-Strangers-Search-for-Missing-Teen--.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 21, 2009, 06:07:28 PM
http://www.facebook.com/people/Amber-DuBois/1061850145

Is this her?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: klaasend on February 21, 2009, 06:11:16 PM
http://www.facebook.com/people/Amber-DuBois/1061850145

Is this her?

I don't think so Nut

(http://profile.ak.facebook.com/profile5/474/72/n1061850145_6306.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 21, 2009, 06:11:40 PM
I have not found a personal myspace of hers. No clue what this is all about>>
COMMENTS:
Smrt1  February 17, 2009 1:39PM PST
This girl has a 45 yr. old 'buddy'???? This would probably be on page 1 of the 'Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm' book! I find it rather coincidental that she disappeared the day before Valentine's and has a 45 year old buddy, these two appear to be linked.Time to check the kids' computer....
 
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2009/02/14/news/inland/escondido/z065d0afc140b76938825755e00216b60.txt#nctcomments


There is a myspace set up for her missing info...I can't find any personal one of hers


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on February 21, 2009, 09:31:21 PM
http://www.facebook.com/people/Amber-DuBois/1061850145

Is this her?

I don't think it is same girl.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 22, 2009, 02:59:53 PM
Hundreds Search Rugged Terrain for Missing California Girl
2/22/09

The family of a missing 14-year old California girl launched an all-out search Sunday morning that extended into the local mountains.

Hundreds of volunteers combed through rugged terrain in search for Amber LeeAnne DuBois, television news station San Diego 6 reported. DuBois was reportedly last seen shortly after 7 a.m. on Feb. 13 while walking to her high school in Escondido, Calif.

The FBI is “providing investigative assistance” to Escondido police, an agency spokesman told the San Diego Union Tribune on Saturday.

Investigators said Amber — who was last seen wearing black clothing and a backpack — talked to a friend on her cell phone as she walked to class that morning. She has not been seen or heard from since, police said.

The teen's father, Maurice DuBois, said reports of a possible sighting of his daughter Saturday were considered unreliable. He said Amber is very structured, and not the type of girl to run away.

The family is hoping that the Tour of California bicycle race — which is expected to draw thousands of spectators to Escondido on Sunday — will heighten public awareness and help in finding Amber.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498150,00.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Red on February 22, 2009, 11:50:36 PM
14 Year Old Amber LeeAnne DuBois Missing Since February 13, 2009 in Escondido, CA … Runaway, Abduction?

http://missingexploited.com/2009/02/22/14-year-old-amber-leeanne-dubois-missing-since-february-13-2009-in-escondido-ca-runaway-abduction/

Here is an interesting new lead in this case ... hmm ...

Quote
UPDATE I: Investigator Explores New Lead … Was Amber DuBois Abducted?

A local investigator in the case of missing Escondido teenager Amber Dubois, said a woman, who looks a lot like the missing 14-year-old, told him that some men got out of a van February 2 near Escondido High School and approached her.

When the men asked her to get in the van, she said no, and they chased her, Bill Garcia said. The woman said she ran into an elementary school and escaped.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 23, 2009, 08:42:02 AM
P.I. hired in search for missing teen
FBI Investigators continued to search for Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14, who has been missing since last Friday, February 13th.

Her father, Maurice Dubois suspects that she has been abducted. The family has made clear that it does not believe Amber ran away.

The family hired a private detective, Bill Garcia, who has been involved in a number of high-profile missing cases in the county.

"We don't believe suicide, we don't believe that runaway was an issue," Garcia said. "None of her things were missing. The little cash money that she has remains."

Garcia said that he believes Amber was abducted by a stranger, meaning that she could be anywhere.

The FBI joined the investigation this week.
http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2009/02/22/PI-hired-in-search-for/1235359612.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Bearlyhere on February 23, 2009, 10:31:19 AM
Praying for Amber.

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/praying.jpg)



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: MsVada on February 24, 2009, 09:43:15 AM
I have not found a personal myspace of hers. No clue what this is all about>>
COMMENTS:
Smrt1  February 17, 2009 1:39PM PST
This girl has a 45 yr. old 'buddy'???? This would probably be on page 1 of the 'Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm' book! I find it rather coincidental that she disappeared the day before Valentine's and has a 45 year old buddy, these two appear to be linked.Time to check the kids' computer....
 
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2009/02/14/news/inland/escondido/z065d0afc140b76938825755e00216b60.txt#nctcomments


There is a myspace set up for her missing info...I can't find any personal one of hers


Forget that it was the day BEFORE Valentines.....It was FRIDAY the 13th !
Something tells me that she was abducted and did not go on her own.  She was into agriculture/farming, and not the typical student.
JMHO


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: MsVada on February 24, 2009, 09:46:15 AM
14 Year Old Amber LeeAnne DuBois Missing Since February 13, 2009 in Escondido, CA … Runaway, Abduction?

http://missingexploited.com/2009/02/22/14-year-old-amber-leeanne-dubois-missing-since-february-13-2009-in-escondido-ca-runaway-abduction/

Here is an interesting new lead in this case ... hmm ...

Quote
UPDATE I: Investigator Explores New Lead … Was Amber DuBois Abducted?

A local investigator in the case of missing Escondido teenager Amber Dubois, said a woman, who looks a lot like the missing 14-year-old, told him that some men got out of a van February 2 near Escondido High School and approached her.

When the men asked her to get in the van, she said no, and they chased her, Bill Garcia said. The woman said she ran into an elementary school and escaped.




Why is it that these creeps seem to always have a white van?  Seems to be a stereotype.
  I believe this is what happened to Amber and I pray she is found safe.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: MsVada on February 24, 2009, 09:47:42 AM
http://www.facebook.com/people/Amber-DuBois/1061850145

Is this her?

I don't think it is same girl.

me neither.  face is shorter,rounder and nose is a bit bigger. This isn't the same girl.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: MsVada on February 24, 2009, 09:55:33 AM
 snipfind it rather coincidental that she disappeared the day before Valentine's and has a 45 year old buddy

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it may be nothing.

 For example.  I have a son in  college, before he left he made me a myspace and a facebook page so that I could keep in contact with him.
I am now into my 2nd year of this myspace and facebook stuff, I find that I am on many of my son's friends pages.

 I use facebook way more than myspace.

 And I don't find it unusual  anymore to see adults on kids friends lists.  most of them are parents or relatives.  
Remember, you cant just add yourself as a buddy on someones page, you have to request it and then the person has to accept it.   

just food for thought. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on February 25, 2009, 03:01:05 AM
snipfind it rather coincidental that she disappeared the day before Valentine's and has a 45 year old buddy

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it may be nothing.

 For example.  I have a son in  college, before he left he made me a myspace and a facebook page so that I could keep in contact with him.
I am now into my 2nd year of this myspace and facebook stuff, I find that I am on many of my son's friends pages.

 I use facebook way more than myspace.

 And I don't find it unusual  anymore to see adults on kids friends lists.  most of them are parents or relatives.  
Remember, you cant just add yourself as a buddy on someones page, you have to request it and then the person has to accept it.   

just food for thought. 


Where does the person commenting on the 45 year old buddy get their information? is what I want to know.
I agree it is not unusual for parents, family friends and relatives to be on each others facebook. My childrens friends are adults now as are my nieces and nephews and it is a great way to get to keep in contact with them, hear their news and see current pictures of their families.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on February 25, 2009, 03:15:22 AM
Teen vanishes on way to school

By Emanuella Grinberg
CNN

(CNN) -- Last Friday the 13th was supposed to be a special day for 14-year-old Amber Leeanne DuBois.


She left her home in Escondido, California, around 7 a.m. for school with a check in hand, a down payment on a baby lamb that she was going to raise and care for as part of her Future Farmers of America class.

It was a day that she'd been looking forward to for more than a year, her family says. But she never made it to school and hasn't been heard from since, prompting authorities to launch a massive search for the missing teen.

"She would not have given up that lamb for anything," her mother, Carrie McGonigle, said. "She's a wholesome kid. She doesn't run amok like most teenagers. She did not run away, I guarantee it."

Her cell phone was turned on once for about 20 seconds the day after she disappeared and has not been turned on since then, Escondido Police spokesman Lt. Bob Benton said.

Her mother and her live-in boyfriend voluntarily submitted to polygraph tests and passed, Benton said. Amber's father, who lives in Orange County, California, and other relatives have been interviewed, he added.

A classmate reported seeing Amber a week ago on Sunday, walking with an unidentified person about half a mile from her home, Benton said.

"We don't know the circumstances of her disappearance or the person she was walking with, but being 14 years old and missing as long as she has without ever having gone missing before is very suspicious," Benton said.

The FBI is assisting the Escondido Police in the investigation, said Special Agent Darrell Foxworth from the agency's San Diego office.

"The assistance that we are providing includes conducting interviews and following up on leads as they develop," Foxworth said.

Amber's parents insist she would never stay away from home for so long without notifying them, leading them to believe she was abducted.

"As a person who knows my daughter very, very well, I'm 95 percent positive she's not just wandering around the area," said her father, Maurice DuBois. "If she was abducted by stranger -- hopefully not -- she could be anywhere in the U.S, Mexico by now. Eight days is a long time to be missing."

Amber's parents say she was a not-so-typical teen who shunned social networking sites like MySpace.com and Facebook and preferred reading, drawing and spending time with friends at home over hanging out at the mall.

"When she'd get in trouble, I'd have to take her books away," McGonigle said, chuckling as she recalled her daughter's habit of hiding under her bed sheets with a flashlight so she could read late at night.

Her first passion was animals, a lifelong devotion that began with her first horse, Rojo, and led to her joining the FFA when she entered high school.

Two weeks before she disappeared, she wrote her mother a letter urging her to let her buy the lamb she planned to name Nannette, outlining how she would care for it and suggesting it would look good on her resume, McGonigle said.

"I know in my heart that there's nothing that would take her away from that lamb. She would never miss that day. That's how I know she didn't just run away," McGonigle said.

"I go to sleep thinking she's going to be walking in my room any minute saying, 'Mom, I'm back.' But now it's just becoming a numb feeling."

Members of the community of Escondido, a bedroom community of San Diego, have been generous with donations of money, resources and manpower in the efforts to locate Amber, her mother said.

A candlelight vigil at Escondido High School on Friday night drew about 200 people, Amber's friend Hailey Kosinski said, in a show of support that brought a measure of comfort to her family and friends.

Hailey, who has known Amber since the sixth grade, said she could always count on her to brighten her day when she was feeling down.

"She smiles and tells you everything's going to be OK and you just feel better," she said. "She's sort of shy when you first meet her, but once you get to know her, she's the kindest person you'll ever meet."

The 14-year-old described her friend's disappearance as a rude awakening to the dangers of ordinary life.

"It makes you think of the many, many situations that could occur when you're walking on the street, or when you walk away from friends for just a little while," said Hailey, who has spent most of her free time in the past week posting fliers on traffic poles and in stores.

"It's the most horrible, gut-wrenching feeling to know your friend is out there and there's nothing you can do to help her. You feel so powerless."


http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/22/amber.dubois/index.html

>>>snipped from above article--- Amber's parents say she was a not-so-typical teen who shunned social networking sites like MySpace.com and Facebook and preferred reading, drawing and spending time with friends at home over hanging out at the mall.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 26, 2009, 01:24:20 PM
NANCY GRACE COVERAGE 2/25/09

Right now I want to tell you about a story about a 14-year-old girl missing on her way to school. Take a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I go to bed at night and just wake up and hope she`s going to be here and she`s not.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Missing teenager, Amber Dubois, has not been seen since the day before Valentine`s Day and her family says she would never leave on her own.

BILL GARCIA, CALIFORNIA LICENSES P.I., HELPING FAMILY IN SEARCH FOR MISSING TEEN, AMBER DUBOIS: I don`t think she`s a run away. She had too many things planned, there was nothing taken from the home. Usually in a runaway situation, I mean, they at least take a change of clothes. That`s not the case here. The little cash that she had was not taken.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Two people said they saw Amber just 300 yards from her school the morning she was last seen. But hours later, the school told the family Amber hadn`t showed for class. A private investigator hired by the family believes that Amber was abducted by strangers and says someone tried to access the voice mail on Amber`s cell phone but the password was rejected.

Police are still combing for clues, continuing their investigation.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: The last time this girl was seen she was walking to school just 300 yards from her school. It was the last time she was seen at 7 a.m. on a school morning.

With me right now her father, Maurice Dubois is joining us. Mr. Dubois, our thoughts and our prayers are with you and your family.

MAURICE DUBOIS, FATHER OF MISSING 14-YR-OLD, AMBER DUBOIS: Thank you.

GRACE: Amber had never run away from home before, correct?

DUBOIS: Absolutely not.

GRACE: You saw her, as I recall, on February the 6th. What were her spirits?

DUBOIS: Great. She`s in a great mood. We went out to the movies, went out and fed the ducks at the park, like we typically do, me, her and my niece. She was in a great spirits.

GRACE: Was there any suggestion she was unhappy at home?

DUBOIS: No, absolutely not. No, they -- I mean typical home life, I mean I`m not going to paint a golden picture. I mean everything`s great there. I mean she loves her house, she loves her life, great friends, no problems.

GRACE: Mr. Dubois, what are police telling you?

DUBOIS: Basically, they`re continuing their investigation, you know. They are following up on leads that come in. There`s been no concrete leads, nothing significant that can help us find her at this point.

GRACE: Have you spoken to Amber`s school? Is there any way they can help? She was 300 yards from school. She had about a mile walk to you school. That`s what I had when I was a little girl.

DUBOIS: Yes.

GRACE: You`d think in one mile she`d be safe. Take a look at this, just one mile from her home to the Escondido High School.

DUBOIS: That`s correct. Even less than that, I would probably say it`s closer to a half mile than a mile.

GRACE: And it`s all residential.

DUBOIS: Absolutely.

GRACE: It just seems to me that at that time there would be a lot of kids walking to school. She was only 300 yards from the doorstep.

DUBOIS: That`s correct. Yes.

GRACE: Joining me right now is Bill Garcia, a private eye there in California, that`s helping the family.

Bill, what more can you tell me?

GARCIA: Good evening, Nancy. We`re continuing our investigation, along with the Escondido police. We`ve had a lot of leads come in since the tip line has been initiated. There`s a lot of people that have concern for Amber`s whereabouts and the community has come together bring her home.

GRACE: To Stacy Taylor, he is joining us from -- he`s a news talk show host at 1700 AM there in San Diego. Stacy, it`s great to have you with us.

It`s my understanding that there have been approximately four similar transactions in and around that area where people were attempted to be kidnapped, typically in a white van. And one woman, one young girl was kidnapped and held for about 20 to 30 minutes. What do you know?

STACY TAYLOR, NEWS TALK SHOW HOST, 1700 AM, COVERING STORY: That`s my understanding as well. And Mr. Garcia, I believe, has also been in contact with an adult woman who they attempted to abduct apparently in a similar circumstance with a white van.

And she -- she refused their, their proposal, and apparently actually ran, literally ran into an elementary school to escape. That is my understanding. I also learned from Maurice and I did some research on this today, and it appears to be true, there are any number of registered sex offenders living within approximately two miles of that high school in Escondido.

So you`re telling me that one of the victims actually ran into a school? It sounds like they`re targeting areas near schools, Stacy?

TAYLOR: It sounds like it to me, too. And that`s a pretty brazen attack.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PHIL FARRAR, NEWS ANCHOR/REPORTER, KOGO RADIO: She was last seen on Friday the 13th. And she was on her way to school. And this we believe was shortly after 7:00 in the morning.

DUBOIS: If she was abducted, kidnapped. She can be anywhere. Anywhere.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: The tip line, 888-55-AMBER. Go to www.bringamberhome.com. She was last seen wearing dark pants, a hoody and sneakers. Snatched on her way to school. Since when is it in this country a little girl can`t walk less than one mile to her public school? That`s what the father is asking tonight.

Marc Klaas, weigh in.

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Well, it`s well known that school bus stops and school routes are playgrounds for predators. I mean they know that children are going to be in those places. So they go to those places. I think there`s a couple of things. The simple lesson in this situation is that children shouldn`t walk to school alone. It`s a well-known fact.

As I said that the predators understand the kids will be there and they do take advantage of that. Secondly I think if people were to look at all of the white vans out there, they`d be alarmed. There are tens of thousands of them.

And then finally, I think, that if they want to dispel any rumors that the little girl has run away and is still in the community something that they can do very quickly is saturate the community with posters of her on every telephone poll, retail store, et cetera, et cetera.

GRACE: To her father, Maurice Dubois, why do you believe she did not run away?

DUBOIS: I know my child, you know. When you have a relationship like our family has, we`re very, very close, you know. She is not the type of girl to runaway and not come back and face the music, you know? She has no reason to run away.

GRACE: Everybody, take a look at this little girl. Amber Dubois, she`s just 14. She was so excited that morning about exchanging Valentine`s at school.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/25/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on March 05, 2009, 02:10:53 AM

My stylist lives in same neck of the woods as Amber. He says kids are still walking to school, just not alone.

They upped the reward to $60,000.00. Maybe someone will speak up.

Prayers for Amber


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on March 05, 2009, 02:14:47 AM

Also, somebody surely heard or saw something. The time of day when kids are walking to school, parents are going to work, carpooling to school, walking dogs. How can this happen in broad daylight!!!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on March 05, 2009, 02:30:34 AM

http://www.10news.com/news/18857146/detail.html

Reward Increased As Search For Missing Teen Continues

ESCONDIDO, Calif. -- Authorities have stepped up the search for missing Escondido girl Amber Dubois, combing the northeast area of Escondido Wednesday.

An Escondido police officer following a lead at a homeowner's house Tuesday spotted three girls on top of a large rock in Escondido. The call prompted search crews to investigate the area.

According to authorities, many teenagers hang around the Daly Canyon and Daly Ranch areas off Rincon Avenue.

"Basically, our mission was to try to locate the teenagers up in the hillside or identify who they were," said Sgt. Mark Johnston of the Sheriff's Department.

Since Tuesday night, more than 45 people from Escondido police and the Sheriff's Department have scoured about a 3 sq. mile area around the hill.

"At this point we don't have any information that would lead us to believe that Amber is out there. But if the kids are talking about it, we want to make sure we follow up on it," said an official.

Police said they received a tip from students about a teen hangout near where the three girls were reportedly seen.

Thus far, there has been no luck in finding the girls or Dubois.

Dubois has been missing for nearly three weeks, having last been seen near Escondido High School.

On Wednesday, the Dubois family, as well as Mark Klaas, asked the public for help.

Klaas' daughter, Polly, was abducted and murdered in 1993 and has offered his support in the case.

"We're simply here to aid this family in a sustainable recovery effort. Hopefully one that won't be needed. Hopefully little Amber will come home sooner rather than later," said Klaas.

Meanwhile, the Dubois family is not giving up hope.

"Amber, if you're hearing this just know your family loves you and we cannot wait to have you back home in our arms, to have you home," said Amber's father, Maurice Dubois.

The family said the reward in this case has been increased to $60,000.

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Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on March 05, 2009, 02:46:02 AM

One theory is, a prank gone wrong. Video here, (I hope I did it right)

http://www.10news.com/news/18857146/detail.html#comment_doOuFOcvGr3OjGaby-s2LB



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 08, 2009, 07:33:12 PM
I doubt it was a prank gone wrong..


I have a thread at bfn which I have been posting my research on.

There is a fellow arrested for the rape of a 16 year old girl which he kidnapped early morning.. 30 miles south of Escondido
He released her.. which I find interesting..

Early morning abduction is rare. She was a 16 year old.. He was driving a stolen car.. Both early morn and young fit the MO.
He also had a gun.. But police said that the gun they found was not real when they arrested him.

He is 27 years old and a black male with bald head and a beard with mustache but made a request by his defense attorney that his picture in court be withheld.
I find that interesting.. He does not want to be identified by others..

I already sent the time to the family.. Who knows..They need to look at every possible scenario.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 09, 2009, 06:33:51 PM
Her cell phone was turned on once for about 20 seconds the day after she disappeared and has not been turned on since then, Escondido Police spokesman Lt. Bob Benton said.

That should have given them a general area to search.

There is just something wrong with this..

Her mom got a tattoo "Friday 13th" on her leg.. she said she did not know why, it was just that the f.b.i. and the police going through there home made her feel like doing it, so she did..
Mom and dad are divorced.. There is a live in boyfriend.

That hits me so strange.. Never the less she says she left room for Ambers return date on her leg..

So Strange..


Then today an anonymous poster leaves a comment on a news web site..
Read it here as I will not post it..
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=9967998&nav=menu1607_2_1

Anyways.. This poor girl.. Another one is lost.


 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 10, 2009, 12:09:05 PM
It's been 24 days since an Escondido teenager went missing without a trace. In this News 8 CrimeFighters investigation, we take a closer look at the timeline in the disappearance of Amber Dubois.


Friday, Feb. 13 7:10 a.m.: Parents spot 9th grader Amber Dubois walking to school two blocks north of Escondido High School. It's the only confirmed sighting of Amber by two separate witnesses.

"There were other kids coming down Broadway. There were kids being dropped off at the south corner of the stadium," parent David Wahlquist said.

Because other students and vehicles are in the area, police say it's unlikely Amber was abducted from the street.

"The assumption is she continued past or went into the high school, but as far as an abduction, that would cause a commotion, and somebody would recognize that," Escondido Police Lt. Craig Carter said.

7:30 a.m.: Amber never shows up for class. The school leaves a voicemail for Amber's mother, but it isn't until 4 p.m. on Friday that the mother's boyfriend comes home from work to find Amber missing.

Later that night, Verizon Wireless resets the password on Amber's cell phone so Amber's frantic mother can access her daughter's cell phone voicemail.

"I'm trying to keep things positive but it's really hard," Amber's mother Carrie McGonigle said.

Saturday, Feb. 14: Amber's cell phone is turned on for less than 30 seconds and pings off a cell phone tower in North Escondido. Whoever turned it on tried to access voicemail but was unsuccessful because the password had already been reset.

"The person dialed #86 to attempt to reach voicemail, couldn't get through and then they turned off the phone immediately," Amber's father Maurice Dubois said.

Police flood the neighborhood near the cell phone tower with reverse 911 calls, but fail to locate Amber. On Saturday night in downtown Escondido, a former classmate reports seeing Amber walking with two teenagers on Grand Avenue near Palomar Hospital. The sighting is unconfirmed.

Sunday night, Feb. 15: Another unconfirmed sighting near the intersection of Rincon Avenue and Conway. Search and rescue volunteers canvas the area handing out fliers, but still no Amber. She's been gone one week now, and friends at a candlelight vigil say there's no way Amber ran away.

"I know for a fact that there's zero percent chance that she just took off. That's an impossibility to me," friend Jade Fidell said.

Private investigator Bill Garcia organizes weekend searches. Then on March 3, a neighbor reports three teenage girls hiking near caves above Eastern Rincon Avenue.

"One of them, looking through binoculars, looked a lot like her," Escondido neighbor Tom Davids said.

The girls are never located, and the sighting is once again unconfirmed.

March 6: the family sets up Amber search headquarters. National organizations join the effort, offering a $50,000 reward for the girl's safe return.

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=9975976&nav=menu1607_2_1

Comment posted by reader..
Idea
Monday, March 09, 2009Maybe she forgot something and walked back home and something happened to her there.





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 10, 2009, 02:01:47 PM
One reader suggested he knows the mom in this case uses meth.
Also there is a boyfriend of the mom..
Another reader asks a questions ..Did Amber return home..

My 14 year old forgets everything.. If Amber forgot her check for the lamb.. Did she return home to get it ??

Who would be at home if she did ?

Then there is the cell phone turning on the day after in a north direction and attempting to check messages and then turning off.. Never to be turned on again..

Now I have 2 suspects..
William who is in jail for the rape of a 16 year old..
and the Boyfriend.
Mom tattoo of a date of disappearance is still disturbing to me.. That date is forever..
Like death.

Just my thoughts and notes... jmho


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 10, 2009, 06:25:03 PM
ESCONDIDO — The father of missing teenager Amber DuBois has written her a letter and is asking the news media to circulate it.
Maurice DuBois says “our hope is that she will see our letter and know that her family is doing everything possible to bring her safely home.”
The letter talks about how he would be spending time with her if she were home, and describes pictures taken by her friends and a beach camping trip last summer. It concludes: “Don't lose hope in our finding you. I will never lose hope in our search for you.”
Amber, 14, disappeared while walking to Escondido High School the morning of Feb. 13. The family is offering a $60,000 reward – $50,000 for information leading to her safe return and $10,000 for information leading to the arrest of the person or persons responsible for her disappearance.
Anyone with information about Amber is asked to call a tip line at (760) 743-8477 or her father at (714) 231-1326. The family also has a Web site.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 10, 2009, 06:37:07 PM
(http://media.nbcsandiego.com/images/300*225/Amber-picture-at-beach.jpg)
Amber Dubois' father wrote this letter to his missing daughter more than three weeks after she went missing in the hopes she would read it and know her family was doing everything possible to bring her safely home. --Ed.



March 06, 2009
   
Amber,                           

Hello my sweetheart, this is Dad. It’s late Friday night and I wanted to write you this letter since you are not here with me. This was supposed to be our weekend together and this afternoon at about the time I should be picking you up from the train station I was thinking about what I could do to talk to you like we would be doing right now. So I decided that tonight I would write you this letter and get it out where you might get a chance to read it.
   
One of your friends brought over a CD with pictures of you and your friends at their birthday beach party. Some cool pictures of you guys, one is of you running in the water at night by the pier with a cool sunset behind you. It reminds me of our midnight grunion run while camping last summer and all the fun we had that night catching all those darn fish with our hands. I guarantee on our next run, I will catch more than you!!!
   
Your Teacher Mr. Reyburn is keeping your lamb, ( Nénette ) for you till you get back. You can bet your Mom is looking as hard as she can for you since she will be doing your barn clean-up duties until you return.
   
This is still my weekend, so I will be waiting to hear from you so I can come get you. Next Friday is the 13th again and it will be a month that you have been away, I don’t want to wait that long before I get my next hug from you. Well, I really just wanted to say we all miss you and love you very much. I hope you get to read this, or better yet I hope you are back in my arms soon, so I can tell you in person. Don’t lose hope in our finding you. I will never lose hope in our search for you.
                   
Always Loving You,
                       
DAD  xoxo

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/A-Dads-Letter-to-His-Missing-Daugher.html


This father is a wonderful human being. A very sad situation.
jmho


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 12, 2009, 01:12:06 PM
This article indicates a mindset of some teens in the area and is not directley relative to this case. Just more information that shows it could be possible that somebody Amber knows has taken her captive for ??
Who really knows what this currant generation is thinking .. Morals are changing or gone..mo.



Torture and murder conspiracy charges were filed against two men accused of kidnapping a 76-year-old woman and holding her captive in her car for 26 hours.

Nineteen-year-old Jeffrey Nelson and 18-year-old Luis Osborne pleaded not guilty to the charges Wednesday in San Diego Superior Court.

The teenagers bound and gagged Natalie Herbst-Vinge on Dec. 8 as they searched her home in the San Diego suburbs for money and credit cards.

Another judge dismissed attempted murder charges after a hearing in February because he said there was no evidence they tried to kill her.

(http://www.10news.com/2008/1213/18268631_240X180.jpg)

EL CAJON, Calif. -- Three teenagers accused of kidnapping a 75-year-old La Mesa woman and subjecting her to what a prosecutor called a "26-hour nightmare" pleaded not guilty Friday to torture and other charges.

Jeffrey Edward Nelson, 19, of Lakeside; Luis Lomeli Osborne, 18; and Antoinette Baker, 19, both of El Cajon; are accused of abducting Natalie Herbst-Vinge last week and keeping her bound and without food or water in the trunk of her own car as they went on a daylong joyride in it.
 The prosecutor said Nelson sold a vacuum cleaner to Herbst-Vinge last week, then returned to her house twice on Monday.

The second time -- around 10 p.m. -- he allegedly attacked her from behind after asking if he could use her telephone.

Nelson allegedly choked her until she was unconscious.

When she awoke, she found herself bound and gagged with duct tape, said Greenwood.

"(Nelson) went through the house looking for personal identification like credit cards," the prosecutor said.

At some point, Osborne and Baker joined Nelson and they drove to Ocean Beach with Herbst-Vinge in the trunk of her car and used her gas card, Greenwood said.

Both men punched the victim and denied her pleas for water, and Baker refused to help her, the prosecutor alleged.

"We know (Baker) knew exactly what was going on with the victim and did absolutely nothing to help," Greenwood said.

The woman was found in the trunk after her alleged abductors were pulled over for a traffic violation around midnight Wednesday in El Cajon.

All three are charged with torture, robbery, kidnapping to commit a felony, willful cruelty to an elder causing great bodily injury, false imprisonment of an elder and theft from an elder.

Nelson is also charged with attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon with force likely to cause great bodily injury, burglary, carjacking and kidnapping during a carjacking.

Judge Patricia Cookson set bail at $2 million for each defendant and set a readiness conference for Dec. 23 at the East County Courthouse.

After the hearing, Greenwood -- who has prosecuted elder abuse cases for 12 years -- said seniors can no longer take a chance by being kind and letting a stranger into their homes.

Candace Mahoney, the victim's granddaughter, said, "(Herbst-Vinge) doesn't understand why (Nelson) would do that to her."

The woman is doing well in the hospital and is no longer bedridden, although it's uncertain when she will be released, according to her family.

Tests are being run because it's possible she suffered a heart attack during her ordeal, they said.

Her son, Daniel Allen, said his mother hasn't lost her ability to laugh.

"She said, 'The things I have to do to get my family together' -- that's her sense of humor," he said.

http://www.10news.com/news/18266168/detail.html



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 12, 2009, 01:16:15 PM
Fourteen-year-old Amber Dubois was on her way to Escondido High School to buy a lamb for her 4-H project when she disappeared more than three weeks ago. Now that lamb is helping in the search to find her.

See video at this link... Read readers comments for opinions of locals and idiots..

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=9991267&nav=menu1607_2_1


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 12, 2009, 01:20:08 PM
Police said Tuesday that a 27-year-old man was in custody on suspicion of abducting and raping a 16-year-old girl in the East County.
The man, Willie Kendall Williams, was arrested around 6 p.m. Monday at a relative's home in San Diego, El Cajon police Lt. Tim Henton said.

Williams allegedly forced the girl into a green older-model car in or near the 1100 block of East Main Street in El Cajon about 9 a.m. Monday, Lt. Steve Shakowski said.

According to the girl, Williams then drove a short distance, pulled over in an alley and sexually assaulted her before letting her go, he said.

The teen said she saw a pistol in the sedan, according to police.

The vehicle description given by the girl matched that of one stolen Monday morning about a mile from where the assault took place, Henton said.

Once Williams was identified as a suspect in the auto theft, his picture was included in a photo line-up shown to the girl who reported being assaulted, according to Henton. He said the girl identified Williams as her attacker.

Williams was booked into San Diego County Jail on suspicion of kidnapping for the purpose of sexual assault, forcible oral copulation with a juvenile and assault with a deadly weapon.


http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=9936708&nav=menu1607_2_1

Police need to see if this is relative to Amber LeeAnne DuBois. 
This fellow did a early morning attack on this girl and Amber went missing early A.M. 
He had stolen a vehicle. He could have stole one previous.. 
He had a gun. 
It is only 30 miles or so from Escondido. 
This guy was found in San Diego showing how willing he is to travel. 
Where was he on the day in question concerning Amber, possible he was seen on video surveillance in Escondido ?

I did contact and give this info to investigators ...



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 12, 2009, 01:32:07 PM
On Feb. 13, David remembers seeing Amber walking two blocks from the school around 7:10 a.m. - a full 20 minutes before the first bell.

"In fact, I remember thinking oh, she's a little bit early," he said.

The total distance of the route Amber takes from her home to the location of the school is less than a mile, north on Paradise Street, West on Vista Avenue and finally South on Broadway walking toward the school. It was here where two parents in different cars reported seeing Amber walking on the west side of the street.

"She was kind of jogging when I saw her and I thought she just looked like she was in a hurry," Wahlquist said.

The location is right next to a driveway that leads past a school bus maintenance yard and down to the school's livestock farmyard.

Multiple surveillance cameras monitor the farmyard, and the principal says that students, volunteers and teachers frequently stop by before school. Police have looked at that surveillance tape, but so far, nothing.

"There is that possibility that she went in that direction. Reports are she was seen around that driveway. It's a possibility, but it's not showing up on the video," Escondido Police Lt. Craig Carter said.

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=9939230

Either Whlquist is full is chit..Or the Police need to take a closer look !!
Either she was there or she was Not.

You can't advance in the search on nothing.. jmho




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 12, 2009, 04:47:46 PM
A Post from a Parent in the farm area of the high school.. located in reader comments..

It is actually a snip from the parents written words as they are commenting on what some other person has written.. and they are upset at an accusation..


"She never made it to the school farm. Bottom line whatever happen was on the way to school.I'm at the farm all the time and for the record Amber didn't hang out at the farm or in the Ag classroom."

I love the open comments..
Sometimes you get some good acurate info... ::MonkeyWink::




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 12, 2009, 04:48:34 PM
Above comment is from this link..
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=9991267&nav=menu1607_2_1


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on March 13, 2009, 10:43:35 PM


In the news stories I have not seen the mother. The Dad is on TV a lot. I agree, he seems to be a good man. There have been abduction attempts at other locations. Maybe the El Cahon perp is connected. I do recall report of a previous attempt by 2 men in a white service vehichle. Of course, there are thousands of white service vans. I know, I notice them all now that the story was released.

Brenda VanDam was on the news. She was helping the family of Amber. Brenda looks great btw.

I hate when any child is abducted but this one hits too close to home. I never let my daughters walk alone to school. People probably think that overprotective, but oh well, it was my choice. It is a sad state of affairs when a 14 year old gets snatched off the street on her way to school.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 14, 2009, 03:31:54 PM
Mom and Dad and sister are viewed on this video.. 1 month later..
http://www.sandiego6.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=590350@xetv.dayport.com&navCatId=5&rss=800

Escondido teen Amber Dubois went missing one month ago, and on Friday, family and friends of the 14-year-old gathered at a candlelight vigil.
Though police have received numerous tips, they said they are still no closer to finding her.

Dubois was last seen walking to Escondido High School on Friday, Feb. 13.

Friends and family members have scheduled regular searches for the girl and are urging people to volunteer in the search.

They are asking gas staion owners to review there videos from march 13 2009 looking for amber.


 It's been one month since a teenager vanished in Escondido. Friday night family, friends and volunteers held a candlelight vigil for 14-year-old Amber Dubois.

After investigating about 100 tips, detectives still have no solid leads. Amber's family says she would never run away but police can't find any evidence of foul play.
And now on this one month anniversary, Amber's family is worried about volunteers losing interest in searching for the missing teen.

They're releasing more photos of Amber and passing out blue ribbons in hopes of keeping Amber in people's thoughts as time goes by.

The search continues this weekend. If you would like to join in, check in Saturday morning at the Amber Dubois Search Center, located at 755 N Quince Street in Escondido between 8 a.m. and 4 p.m.  Volunteers must be 18-years-old and wear comfortable clothes.

Authorities asked anyone with information on the missing teenager's possible whereabouts to call (760) 743-TIPS.

Reward Increased

The search continues for Amber Dubois, the 14-year old Escondido high school student who's been missing for 18 days.
Wednesday night, the reward for information leading to her discovery was raised to $60,000.

The San Diego County Sheriff's Department search team is looking for clues to Amber's disappearance in a rugged area off Rincon Road in Escondido.

The area they searched Wednesday is called Sunrise Mountain. That follows Tuesday night's search of Daily Ranch. This comes after a resident reported suspicious activity in the area.

Although missing for more than three weeks, Sergeant Don Parker remains confident that Amber will be found.

"Instead of looking for a body, we like to look for a live person," explained Parker. "We're still doing that."

The Klass Kids Foundation is now part of the search efforts. Marc Klass will search areas that have yet to be explored in Escondido. Marc Klass' daughter, Polly, was kidnapped and murdered in 1993.

"Probably the most important thing you can tell the family is that they have to eat and that they have to rest and that they have to try to hold onto their sanity," said Klass.

The Klass Kids Foundation will begin searching the area on Saturday. They are using the Laura Recovery Center, the same group that helped find Danielle van Dam.

Community Support

Amber has not seen since she walked to school in Escondido on Friday, February 13th.


Amber's family thinks all evidence points toward Amber planning to arrive at school on Friday, February 13th.

They say she was carrying Valentine's Day gifts for her friends and a $200 check for a deposit on a lamb she planned to raise as part of her school's Future Farmer's program.

The family also revealed Amber sent four text messages to her grandmother before leaving the house that morning for the roughly mile-long walk to school.  Amber was last seen by two family friends only about 300 yards from the school's gate.

Police interviewed hundreds of students at Amber's high school, according to published reports that also say the girl's family members have been given polygraph tests.

Escondido police asked for the public's help in finding a young man who offered rides to girls as they walk home from school in Escondido's Oak Hill neighborhood.  That's about three miles from Amber's school.

Police have not said if they see a possible connection between the two cases.  For more on the Oak Hill story, click here.

The FBI is assisting police in the investigation. Amber's family also hired a private detective.


Amber's mother led hundreds on a search for Amber through local mountains,  Many in the community joined Carrie to help her pass out more than 40,000 fliers she printed regarding Amber's disappearance, going door to door to as many of Escondido's 80,000 homes as possible.

A link to download copies of the flier is above on the right.

Among the volunteers passing out fliers were La Mesa resident Celeste Dopp.

"I've never met (Amber). I've never even been to Escondido, this is my first time up here" she said.

But she felt obliged to donate her weekend to Amber's family. "If it were my child, I would expect everybody to be outside all day everyday until she is found."

Celeste is confident that day will come. "A girl doesn't just go missing and nobody didn't see anything, tell anybody anything. Somebody saw something! And we're going to find this girl."

New Theory
ESCONDIDO - There is another possible theory behind the disappearance of Amber Dubois. The 14-year-old girl has been missing since Friday February 13th. Amber's family and Private Investigator Bill Garcia are piecing together what they think may have happened. Their primary theory remains that Amber was abducted by a stranger while on her way to school, but now another possibility is developing.

“Either someone that knew Amber or knew of Amber may have played a cruel prank on her being that is was Friday the 13th and the Valentine's day holiday,” says Garcia.

According to Garcia, based on talks with Amber's friends, Escondido High School has seen its fair share of cruel and unusual pranks. Specific details on what kind of pranks were not released.

“I don't feel in my heart, even though I've heard stories of it, but I don't feel in my heart that any child would hold a prank on this long,” says Amber’s father, Maurice Dubois. Dubois says from day one he's felt that Amber was abducted.

Residents in San Diego County are reminded of Amber nearly everyday, but now her search is gaining National and even International attention; but Escondido will remain the primary area of search. “It was disgusting, within two miles of her school there are 29 registered sex offenders,” said Dubois.

The family has launched a new 24 hour hotline. If you know anything, you can now call 1-888-55-AMBER and you can remain anonymous. You are also urged to call Escondido Police at (760) 839-4722.

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Candlelight-Vigil-for-Missing-Teenage-Escondido/glZVEOPuJU6Tpv0R0QtFMw.cspx?rss=800




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 14, 2009, 04:00:51 PM
I hate to think this situation is all about drugs... It could be.. Not from dad.

I am not a supporter of Mark Klass... I hate to see him show up anu place.
Polly's situation was all about drugs.. Now it is all about publicity and money for Mark.

jmho


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 15, 2009, 03:54:28 PM
EXCLUSIVE: New details surface in Amber Dubois case
Missing Escondido teen's Web activity focus of search warrants
Saturday, March 14, 2009 9:00 PM PDT

ESCONDIDO ---- Friends of missing Escondido teenager Amber Dubois told police last month that the girl had been chatting with boys online, a situation that drew concern from one of her friends, according to court records obtained Friday.

And a forensic probe of the computer used by Amber and her family revealed a bump in Internet activity in the week before the teen's disappearance, according to an affidavit Escondido police filed last week to get a warrant to look at the computer communications of Amber, who went by the screen name "wolfintheend."

 Download the search warrant
http://www.nctimes.com/pdf/Warrant031209.pdf

"This is not unusual, and it doesn't change our opinion of the case," Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter said Saturday of the increased activity. "We are still classifying this as a missing juvenile, not a runaway or an abduction."

Family and friends have described Amber as a bookish, sheltered girl who loved animals, including wolves, and never spoke of running away. They believe the Escondido High School freshman was abducted.

Massive searches have been mounted to find Amber, and dozens of volunteers headed out this weekend to search for the girl.

Amber was last seen heading to school at 7:10 a.m. Feb. 13, with a $200 check in hand to purchase a lamb for her 4-H project. She was also toting Valentine's Day gifts for her friends as she headed along busy North Broadway Avenue close to the campus.

One witness saw her walking toward Escondido High with a tall, slender, dark-complexioned young male, according to court documents. Carter said police are hoping that person, who could have been a fellow student, will recognize himself in the description and come forward to help them.

Online chats?

In court documents obtained Friday by the North County Times, Escondido police state that two of Amber's friends told a police detective Feb. 19 that the teenager had told each of them she had been spending time online talking to boys.

One of her friends told officers she tried to dissuade Amber from doing so, "due to her type of conversations that Amber stated she was talking about and the dangers associated with this behavior," according to the search warrant affidavit from Escondido police Officer Damon Vander Vorst.

Amber's parents each said they were surprised to hear the revelation. Both raised doubts and concerns about what their daughter's friends had said.

"I hope police follow through with that and check it out," Maurice Dubois said. "We want them to follow upon any such leads.

"It makes me nervous about Internet predators," he said, adding that he was unaware that his daughter could have been taking part in online chats with boys. He said he routinely checked her computer communications when she was with him at his Orange County home.

Amber's mother, Carrie McGonigle, echoed those concerns and said she also monitored her daughter's Internet activity. She said Amber could have been lured by someone she may have known or somehow had been acquainted with.

The warrant affidavit also states that a probe of the computer revealed Internet activity on it had increased the week prior to her disappearance ---- and that activity stopped after Amber went missing.

The warrant obtained by police last week allows them to search the content and subscriber information of Amber's Yahoo account, on which she used the online name "wolfintheend."

With no solid leads, police said they are putting out feelers everywhere they can, looking into everything they can ---- including obtaining warrants to search Amber's Internet records.

The warrant for the Yahoo account is one of many police have sought and received to view the content of Amber's communications on various social networking or other Internet sites she may have been visited, Escondido police Lt. Robert Benton said.

The law requires that each social networking site, as well as Internet content providers like Yahoo, must be individually served with a search warrant in order for police to probe Amber's activity on those sites.

Searches of electronic communications are a standard investigating tool for police. In Amber's case, police said they are also looking through the teenager's cell phone calls and text messages.

"This is just a normal course of action in a case like this," Lt. Carter said. "We are going to make every effort in case there are any additional clues."

Search continues

Amber's father and mother, along with the mother's boyfriend, all voluntarily took and passed polygraph tests, Lt. Benton said last month. All have been ruled out as suspects.

The case has gained local and national media attention, with the family holding several press conferences and community searches for Amber.

On Friday, which marked exactly four weeks since Amber disappeared, about 100 people joined her family in front of Escondido High School for a candlelight vigil.

"She's very precious to me," Amber's grandmother Genie Dubois said Friday evening as she handed out blue ribbons for attendees to wear. "On a busy street like this, how can a girl just disappear?"

A few of her friends sobbed and hugged afterward as they sat in the grass and talked about Amber.

A reward of $50,000 has been offered for information leading to the teen's safe return. Another $10,000 is offered for information leading to the arrest of those responsible.

The search for the child continues, and her mother said about 90 volunteers showing up Saturday to help comb Escondido for signs of her.

A similar search is set for Sunday. Volunteers are asked to meet at 755 N. Quince St. in Escondido any time between 8 a.m. and noon to help. More information is available at www.bringamberhome.com.

Amber is described as 5 feet 5 inches tall, 130 pounds with medium-length brown hair and blue eyes.

Anyone with information about the case is urged to call Escondido police at (760) 743-8477.
http://www.northcountytimes.com/articles/2009/03/14/news/inland/escondido/z01d2d40cc4e7093388257579006e3580.txt


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on March 16, 2009, 02:07:07 AM

I just heard latest news. Sounds like a possible computer related abduction.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on March 16, 2009, 02:08:56 AM

Her Mom was on TV tonight, so sad. We all stress the importance of security online, but the kids do not see the dangers. They said tonight, she was seen walking with a guy.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on March 16, 2009, 04:08:01 AM

Her Mom was on TV tonight, so sad. We all stress the importance of security online, but the kids do not see the dangers. They said tonight, she was seen walking with a guy.

ESCONDIDO, Calif. -- There are new details in the case of missing Escondido teenager Amber Dubois, and they come from a search warrant obtained by 10 News. Escondido detectives are looking to see with whom Amber was communicating on an email account she had with Yahoo. She used the screen name “wolf in the end,” and police want to know not only who Amber was emailing but also to whom she was talking. The search warrant also reveals that friends of Amber told detectives she was talking to boys on social networking sites. Her mother said she closely monitors Amber’s computer use and she doesn’t believe she was talking to boys. It’s now been a month and two days since the 14-year-old disappeared. The search continues to be coordinated through the Amber Dubois search center at 755 Quince St. in Escondido. Amber’s mother, Carrie McGonigle, is appealing for more volunteers to show up next weekend as there is still a lot of land to be cleared in the Escondido area.
http://www.10news.com/news/18934963/detail.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 16, 2009, 02:44:20 PM
One witness saw her walking toward Escondido High with a tall, slender, dark-complexioned young male

No student has stepped forward... Indicating it is NOT a student.

I am happy to see LE gave the boyfriend a test and he passed..

I wrote in and told LE about the fellow W.Williams currently being held for the rape of a 16 year old. and asked them to check all video at and around the area.

I noticed that the family mom and dad have requested all gas station videos be looked at on the date of disappearance looking for Amber in the Video.

I am very frustrated with that ... They are supposed to be looking for Willie in the video surveillance images..

Willie is a tall "young looking black male" with a bald head and mustache and close beard.
He will not allow his face on court camera to be released to the public, as requested by his court appointed attorney.
I would like to see his pictures in the hands of LE investigators and that they themselves go around gas stations and stores looking for his image in video.

If he has disposed of Amber, he is not going to jump up and admit it.. LE will have to prove him in the area.. Then searches can take place in his line of travel..
 He could have been talking with Amber on a computer... He could have been in a public library or on one of his other family members home doing that or even on one of these new hand held cell phone devices..

 His last attack was to the south by 30 miles..
Amber would be between her home and there.. Still if it is him the area needs to be narrowed down. First they will have to prove HE was in the area at the time..
He would have been in a stolen car.

jmho


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 16, 2009, 03:27:20 PM
The boyfriend I am referring to in the above post is MOMS boyfriend.
Just to clarify.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 16, 2009, 03:36:36 PM
LE should be taking A photo of W. Williams and should be seen by the one witness who had seen Amber with the tall dark fellow to see if it is him in the first place.
 
No doubt it could be ANYBODY.. I am not standing on a soapbox saying this IS the guy..
He is just a person who should be looked at closely because he has a similar MO.
jmho


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 16, 2009, 03:49:17 PM
Police are examining several new pieces of possible evidence today in the case of missing Escondido teenager Amber Dubois. The possible evidence includes clothing found over the weekend in the hills of northwest Escondido.
Police say they're also looking over recently subpoenaed cell phone and computer usage records, which show the 14-year-old was more active than usual in online chats the week before she disappeared.

Amber was last seen the morning of February 13th walking to Escondido High School, where she was a student.


http://www.kusi.com/news/local/41326262.html

Video
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=4226712&cl=12511999&src=news

Several items of possible evidence were found as volunteers searched the hills in the northwest part of Escondido for clues in the disappearance of 14-year-old Amber Dubois.
The girl was last seen Feb. 13 as she walked to Escondido High School.

Sheriff's officials told KFMB-TV they found several items of clothing that will be analyzed during the week to see if they can be helpful in the search for the girl.

The North County Times reported that police subpoenaed cell phone and computer usage records recently and found that Amber was more active than usual in online chats the week before she disappeared.

Amber's father, Maurice DuBois, said Amber's disappearance has taken a toll on her family. The girl's 5-year-old half-sister is in counseling and Amber's mother struggles every day, he said. Her parents, who are divorced, haven't worked since Amber disappeared.

There's a $55,000 reward for anyone with information leading to her safe return and an additional $10,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of anyone responsible for her disappearance.

A search is scheduled every day, but investigators don't disclose where they are sending people to look. The command center houses a closed-off room with maps marked with search areas.

Since Amber's disappearance was so mysterious, there is a chance the girl was abducted by someone she knew, Dubois said.

Police and Amber's father have no strong theories on how she disappeared.


http://www.cbs8.com/global/story.asp?s=10012681

(http://kfmb.images.worldnow.com/images/10012681_BG1.jpg)

LE needs to look close at ALL suvalliance within 20 miles of this spot.

Read all user comments at the cbs8 link.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 17, 2009, 10:03:10 AM
User comment...

GOOD NEWS
Monday, March 16, 2009GOOD NEWS! There is a man posting on a different comment board by name of donleo. He says he saw Amber this morning in Balbo Park and that he called the police. He said she was wearing green plaid pajama type pants. He said he asked her if she was Amber and she said I'm out of here. Let's hope this is a solid sighting!!!

http://www.cbs8.com/global/story.asp?s=10012681


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 17, 2009, 10:13:24 AM
(http://www.balboapark.org/images/maps/TransportMapSmall.jpg)

http://www.inetours.com/San_Diego/Balboa_Park.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balboa_Park,_San_Diego,_California

http://gothere.com/sandiego/BalboaPark/index.htm


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 17, 2009, 10:15:22 AM
Could be mistaken identity...Could be something.. Could also be spoof.
I do hope this person did in fact call police and they are looking at video surveillance cameras at this moment.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 17, 2009, 10:43:17 AM
Make no mistake about it-- from her big blues eyes to the generous sprinkle of fairy kisses (also known as freckles) Amber is Irish. Her Mom's family is proud of their heritage and Amber
never took off a piece of jewelry purchased for her in Dublin, Ireland by her Irish Grandmom. Her love and skill with horses comes from a long line of fine horsewomen in her ancestry and decades of farmers. 
On this St. Patrick's Day, please wear a bit of green for our lass.  When you hear "When Irish Eyes Are Smiling" please think of how much we all want to see her Irish eyes smiling again.

We need your help to BringAmberHome. 


(http://www.bigcatdesigns.com/amber/amber.4.jpg)

(http://www.bigcatdesigns.com/amber/amber.3.jpg)

http://www.bringamberhome.com/

We are Prepared for the worst BUT Always Hoping for the best Amber..
 





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 17, 2009, 05:01:35 PM
Another reader comment...



love
Tuesday, March 17, 2009Amber's Mom didn't want to believe it could be internet related I think her brain is fried from drugs 
look at her she a tweeker that poor girl probably had to deal with people coming in and out of her house thats why she was a quiet and keeped to her self no love at home to her so she went to run away with some -one on line so give her love thats what i feel , You can see that her dad loves her to death he's the only one thats talking you hardly see her mom on news . thank god her dad can show her love more than her mom and thats sad


http://www.cbs8.com/global/story.asp?s=10012681

The second time somebody has made a comment on Meth... Interesting.. Not colclusive and I am not accusing.

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 17, 2009, 05:07:25 PM
But it does add weight to the possibility of a runaway.. Mom should be tested to rid the accusations.
 MO.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 17, 2009, 08:04:40 PM
Here is the actual post where a "registered reader" posted his comment..

I called SDPD this morning and reported that I saw her in back of one of the buildings in Balboa Park. She was wearing a pair of green plaid lounge-type pants. And when I asked her if she was Amber she said I'm out of here.


http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Investigators-Amber-Dubois-Internet-Use-Increased/BjqQI9XLB0GIw1vBrNDMRw.cspx





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 18, 2009, 12:44:57 PM
One more user comment... Take it or leave it.. jmho

just me
Tuesday, March 17, 2009I do not want to bring false hope however, I do want to help Amber get home. I'm sure I sound crazy and maybe I am, but I could not let it go. Last night a friend of mine, out of the blue, said "I drove by a sign with Amber Dubois name on it and I experienced something really strange". He continued on to say that Amber was taken by someone she knew, not personally, but someone she saw everyday either driving by , or someone that maybe used to wave to her all the time, he offered to get her stoned. My friend seems to think Amber liked to smoke pot. He said that is why she got in this mans car on her own free will. He said Amber was taken to a house near the school on a street called Nina. The house is coral color with white trim and it has dividers on the window. There is a dark green or dark blue older style truck sitting at or near the house. I have never been in that area but I drove there tonight. I could not see the house colors well because it was dark, but as I drove down nina there was a house with dividers in the window and outside on the street was a green older style truck. In the driveway was a dark blue older style truck. I called and told him about what I saw on the street and asked him if he were bullshitting or not. He said "I've never been on that street". he stated it just came to him and it was so overwhelming, he thinks the police should hit every house on that street at 5am and search for Amber or evidence of her. The mind is a powerful thing and can often play tricks on us, but like I said I could not let it go. I think my friend is psychic, but I know there has been many cases solved by psychics. If that were my daughter I would of had a psychic involved immediately. The police didn't handle that other missing girls case very well. The one where they arrested the brother and his friend and let them sit in juvenile hall forever without looking into other leads. Anyway, I do not know Amber or her family. I never heard of her until news broke she was missing. Now I may never forget her. I pray she is found.

http://www.cbs8.com/global/story.asp?s=10012681

This is a map of that street mentioned.. and it has a street view on the map so you can look up and down the street.
I agree with one thing... The Human mind is a very powerful thing... So who knows, anything is possible..
http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIC_enUS317US317&q=nina+drive++escondido


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 18, 2009, 04:52:24 PM
Another reader comment...



love
Tuesday, March 17, 2009Amber's Mom didn't want to believe it could be internet related I think her brain is fried from drugs 
look at her she a tweeker that poor girl probably had to deal with people coming in and out of her house thats why she was a quiet and keeped to her self no love at home to her so she went to run away with some -one on line so give her love thats what i feel , You can see that her dad loves her to death he's the only one thats talking you hardly see her mom on news . thank god her dad can show her love more than her mom and thats sad


http://www.cbs8.com/global/story.asp?s=10012681

The second time somebody has made a comment on Meth... Interesting.. Not colclusive and I am not accusing.

 

I am also considering this is Amber herself writing this as you can post without a user name or email address...

Just considering it and am not convinced.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on March 18, 2009, 05:28:19 PM
Thanks Edward for all the updates on the case.  I hope that this young woman can be found safe.  I check back often, thanks again.

Lovinlife


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sleddogs on March 18, 2009, 09:04:27 PM
Dad: 'Clues' Turned Over In Missing-Teen Case

By Eric S. Page
NBCSanDiego.com
updated 1 minute ago



The father of a missing teenager girl told a local paper that some "clues were turned over to" local investigators.

Maurice Dubois' 14-year-old daughter, Amber Dubois, was last seen Feb. 13 as she walked to Escondido High School.

Dubois also told the North County Times that the "clues" may be helpful but that he did not know anything specific about them.

Searchers that included family,friends and volunteers combed the county for the fourth weekend on Saturday and Sunday. KFMB reported that the searches had turned "up possible evidence." The station's Web site said representatives of the sheriff's department said several items of clothing had been located that would be checked for connections to the case.

In another heartbreaking development in the case, Amber's mother, Carrie McGonigle, said that she had been awakened twice in the middle night since she last saw her daughter by callers claiming to have Amber. Both calls, however, turned out to be made by crank callers.

Anyone with information about the case is being urged to call the Escondido police at 760-743-8477.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29724053/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 18, 2009, 09:38:59 PM
I am hoping at this time she is safe and alive.. All can be forgiven as she is just 14 years old.
Finding her safe would really be uplifting.
But that does not blind me from All we have witnessed and followed over the last 4 years.
I am just trying to stay positive..

There is a few things..
1. A tattoo on mom.. That was really strange.. Means little, but to tattoo the date of disappearance? Not like anybody would forget that..  Anyways it means nothing.. I probably read to much into that.. Like she said she was just reacting to stress of the F.B.I. rummaging through her house..

2. Various comments made by others as to indications of some sort of drug usage.
      This is not uncommon many people use drugs. That can be cleared up with a simple test.
3. A Divorce and distance.. Do not know the relationship between mother and father.
4. A cell phone that tries to check messages and then shuts off.. A day later, not to far away from where she is last seen. Same city
5. No witness to struggle in a very populated area near the school as many high school age kids arrive. Amber herself is seen.. Witnessed by various people walking.

I have suspects
In a man who actually abducted a 16 year old one week later by pulling up next to her in a stolen car and pointing what appears to be a gun and telling her to get into his car.. She does without struggle. He rapes her and lets her go..
 Police should be looking at all video surveillance cameras or sending his photo to all gas stations and convenience stores asking them to check there cameras on the date in question looking for her and this fellow William who committed this other act..
 The fact that he was smart enough to get his court appointed attorney to keep his face out of the news says he is hiding his face for a reason..
I find him as high suspect.. Because he did an early morning attack around 8.a.m. he had a stolen car and he had what appeared to be a gun, which he could have disposed of before police arrested him. He shows the MO for the act of abduction.
Finding him in video in the area would be the ultimate, possible in another stolen vehicle. Maybe he has chatted with Amber online previously.. Possibly, He knew she was going to school at what time..

Also
 I have read about a group of hookers working the motels in Escondido.. It was noted in the news media. Not far away from the high school.
 There could be a pimp who abducts a girl to indoctrinate her.. He would have to be half crazy and on drugs.. Happens all the time.
 Moves her to another city, Breaks her in and threatens her with grave bodily harm to herself and her loved ones, and is Hiding her in plain sight.. In another city far far away by now.
This is how it is done and noted by Dr.Donna Hughes in her study called "Hiding in plain sight"
But does it happen every day ?? I do not think so. But it does happen.
I do not think the police have considered this option.. They should be taking the girls off the streets to jail and interrogating them looking for strange acting males in the area... Other males who may have a desire for young girls.
Also finding there pimp if there is one, interrogating him or her too. Watching that pimp like a hawk!! They are very dangerous people... They would kill you for.. Anything. Generally the type of personality that seeks to control and enslave other human beings are sociopathic.
 MO.


The chances are though, she has in fact run away, because there was no sign of struggle.
Although people see her walking there is no witness to a vehicle approaching her. There is a witness to one tall dark fellow walking with her by this one witness account..
Who is that person ? Is that William ? If so he would have a bald head and a short beard and he is 23 years old ?.. she is 14, BIG age difference and the witness said it looked like another student.. But that student has not been reported to have stepped forward.
Police do not have to tell the media anything.. He "the student" may have already stepped up.
I hope so.
The other options are not nice..

I just keep reading and praying for the best for Amber and her family.
Even though I comment with my thoughts on each article I read or comment made by others My best thoughts and hopes are for the safe return of Amber and relief for her family knowing she is safe.

If not her safe.. Then I want the bad guy. Identifying people "suspect" early is important.
I have never seen searches where flyer's are handed out be successful.. Property invasions should be high on LE list of things to do.. I have not seen that happen and there are many many illegals living in outlying areas farms and ranches.. The police do not appear from the beginning to be aggressive in there search efforts.
jmho
jmho






Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on March 19, 2009, 07:44:11 PM
I am hoping at this time she is safe and alive.. All can be forgiven as she is just 14 years old.
Finding her safe would really be uplifting.
But that does not blind me from All we have witnessed and followed over the last 4 years.
I am just trying to stay positive..

There is a few things..
1. A tattoo on mom.. That was really strange.. Means little, but to tattoo the date of disappearance? Not like anybody would forget that..  Anyways it means nothing.. I probably read to much into that.. Like she said she was just reacting to stress of the F.B.I. rummaging through her house..

2. Various comments made by others as to indications of some sort of drug usage.
      This is not uncommon many people use drugs. That can be cleared up with a simple test.
3. A Divorce and distance.. Do not know the relationship between mother and father.
4. A cell phone that tries to check messages and then shuts off.. A day later, not to far away from where she is last seen. Same city
5. No witness to struggle in a very populated area near the school as many high school age kids arrive. Amber herself is seen.. Witnessed by various people walking.

....

Edward, I thank you for covering this situation for us.  For some reason I too seem to be obsessed with the case.   I wish SM were giving it a more prominant listing.   

The main fact to remember is that Amber is 14 years old.  I know at that age she feels invincible and may take risks and make bad choices, but the fact remains that she is ONLY 14.   Sometimes after worrying and caring for a time with no good information forthcoming, I may become impatient with the victim for not dressing right,  going  out alone at night, having shady friends,  trying drugs, etc.  Then I remember... she is the victim and ONLY 14. 

Guess by now you can see my take on the case.  It looks to me as if people are beginning to "slime" her and her family.  I see why, and sincere people as well as trolls may do it, but I do not agree.  I agree with you that LE needs to be looking for predators both criminals and male relatives and friends of the family.   Statistically, that would make more sense.

You mention her Mom's tattoo.  Well I too am speechless (or not).  No way can I imagine the urge to tattoo, or tattoo that date on myself, but that's just me.  Probably my age.

Drugs and divorce may be factors, but neither lead me to think so in this case.

The cell phone call for messages is odd.  Don't know what to think about that.

No witness to the abduction indicates to me that she either knew, or had no reason to fear the abductor.  Including teachers, parents of other students, etc.  Or that he showed a gun.   She is young and athletic and smart, too smart to go quietly.

The alternate possibility to abduction seems to me the "Romeo and Juliet" plot.  I too hope that is what happened.     

Let's just hold the thought that when this happened Amber was said to be a good student, well behaved, reasonable, and giving no trouble to anyone   Talking to boys on the Internet ...   well she is a 14 year old girl.

Gee, I got a little wordy.  Again Edward, I value your opinions and thank you again for posting this news. 

chi-mama

JMO    Just my opinion, and possibly worth even less than you paid for it.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 19, 2009, 08:03:18 PM
I appriciate your comments.
I am keeping on top of this in the news and any other news that may or may not be relative in the area in case I have to make a trip down there to physically search ..

I like you, hope she turns up soon.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 19, 2009, 08:37:37 PM
The toll it is taking is discussed in the news video at this link..
I feel terrible for anybody in this position..

http://www.10news.com/news/18934963/detail.html


*fixed by me ;)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 19, 2009, 09:14:31 PM
Reader comments...

I feel like I am reading a Jack in the box soap opera here, there is a real person missing, this is real, there real people are suffering and want a real person to come home. We are getting off track. If you know something or even have a feeling about something, call the tip hot line, you don't have to leave a name, and let the police handle it . I believe that the police is doing everything they can, if you think you can do better than you go out there and find her. We should also be careful what we say cause it might be harmful to her. 
Also, unless you know for a fact about the family, we should stop spreading nasty rumors about something we know or even sure about. 
I really hope that the families and friends don't read any of the hurtful comments. Amber's family and friends are in my prayer and thoughts everyday until she come home.




ambie
Wednesday, March 18, 2009Thank You Real!!!!
I personally know the family and they are truly loving drug free people!!! 


Being Real
Thursday, March 19, 2009 Your welcome,
 
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=10012681&nav=menu1607_2_1


Trolls..

They are a terrible thing.. We have been dealing with them since day 1 of the Natalee Holloway investigation..
Know it all types "To many to mention" ... Siding against the family.. Psychics "although some of them are well meaning"..
Those that write something just to piss everyone off.. ::MonkeyNoNo::

A few friends of mine work for a police department here
We have discussed this before, they all insist that "Trolls" have been around forever.. Not just on the Internet
Calling in false leads and claiming to know things they have no clue about.. Wasting valuable time and money.. Even Police get into a position where they start questioning everything anyone says.. Sometimes discounting information when they should not and sometimes chasing a lead and ending up with nothing.. Very frustrating.

This mom of Amber has received 2 calls last week alone with people claiming they have Amber in there possession..
Can anyone imagine that phone call? What kind of heart stopping horror that is for this parent?
What kind of low life person does that ? What is wrong with some peoples minds ?

In the reality of what this family is going through " which is hell on Earth" and so many more like them, the false reports and dead ends are endless.
 I have followed many many missing persons cases and done some searches and I have been witness myself to these false leads taking time money and precious energy away from the family and those who are trying to help them..





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on March 19, 2009, 11:09:08 PM
The toll it is taking is discussed in the news video at this link..
I feel terrible for anybody in this position..

http://www.10news.com/news/18934963/detail.html
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Thanks Edward for the link.  Interesting and very sad with her Father obvious pain. 

Chi-mama


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: cookie on March 20, 2009, 09:51:27 AM
I have seen the father on news shows and he talks about what a close family they all are..
Let's hope that this child is found safe soon..
I can't even imagine going through this hell...sad...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 23, 2009, 02:04:32 PM
Applebee's to hold benefit night for missing teen

Sunday, March 22, 2009 9:43 PM PDT

NORTH COUNTY ---- Local Applebee's restaurants will hold a benefit night for Amber Dubois on Tuesday, family of the missing Escondido teen said.

Fifteen percent of the proceeds from all participants will go to the Amber Leeanne Dubois Trust, which supports efforts to bring the 14-year-old home, the teen's family said.

To participate, download a flier from www.bringamberhome.com and present it at one of 13 Applebee's restaurants. The locations include: Escondido, Oceanside, San Marcos, Temecula, Murrieta, Mira Mesa, Mission Valley, Clairemont Mesa, Rancho San Diego, El Cajon, National City, La Habra and Corona.

The benefit runs from 5 to 9 p.m.

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2009/03/23/news/inland/escondido/z1a83ff1a8b4a077a882575820012fb58


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on March 24, 2009, 02:19:03 PM

Well, the weekend search did not produce any new information, and general interest is waining.  Family is working hard to keep Amber's story in the news.  Next Sunday they are planning another search.   

I am worried that is is probably too late for good news.

http://www.northcountytimes.com/articles/2009/03/23/news/inland/escondido/z979dc148916552978825758200670db2.txt


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on March 24, 2009, 02:22:23 PM

Well, the weekend search did not produce any new information, and general interest is waining.  Family is working hard to keep Amber's story in the news.  Next Sunday they are planning another search.   

I am worried that is is probably too late for good news.

http://www.northcountytimes.com/articles/2009/03/23/news/inland/escondido/z979dc148916552978825758200670db2.txt

Thanks for the update.  So sad...and not many seem to care... ::MonkeyNoNo::  Any new information posted in regard to the computer search?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on March 24, 2009, 02:25:11 PM

Well, the weekend search did not produce any new information, and general interest is waining.  Family is working hard to keep Amber's story in the news.  Next Sunday they are planning another search.   

I am worried that is is probably too late for good news.

http://www.northcountytimes.com/articles/2009/03/23/news/inland/escondido/z979dc148916552978825758200670db2.txt

Thanks for the update.  So sad...and not many seem to care... ::MonkeyNoNo::  Any new information posted in regard to the computer search?
Sorry Chi-mama...maybe if I would have READ THE ARTICLE!!! I would see that hopefully next week they will have more information from the computer.  It seems to be taking an awfully long time. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on March 24, 2009, 03:47:18 PM
Lovinlife    .. no problem.  We are all anxious for the information in the computer search.  That seems to be the best lead so far.   


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on March 24, 2009, 07:14:40 PM
Lovinlife    .. no problem.  We are all anxious for the information in the computer search.  That seems to be the best lead so far.   
I agree.  I hope there will be some sort of lead to go on.  Too bad there doesn't seem to be a sense of urgency there.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on March 26, 2009, 01:37:52 AM
Lovinlife    .. no problem.  We are all anxious for the information in the computer search.  That seems to be the best lead so far.   
I agree.  I hope there will be some sort of lead to go on.  Too bad there doesn't seem to be a sense of urgency there.

Darn!  The Police say there was really not anything on the computer to indicate what might have happened to Amber.  This is the newspaper article:

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/mar/25/bn25dubois-no-leads/?zIndex=72624



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on March 28, 2009, 02:41:00 AM
Another reader comment...



love
Tuesday, March 17, 2009Amber's Mom didn't want to believe it could be internet related I think her brain is fried from drugs 
look at her she a tweeker that poor girl probably had to deal with people coming in and out of her house thats why she was a quiet and keeped to her self no love at home to her so she went to run away with some -one on line so give her love thats what i feel , You can see that her dad loves her to death he's the only one thats talking you hardly see her mom on news . thank god her dad can show her love more than her mom and thats sad


http://www.cbs8.com/global/story.asp?s=10012681

The second time somebody has made a comment on Meth... Interesting.. Not colclusive and I am not accusing.

 

Just commenting on what little I know. But...it does seem the Dad is on TV more often and his grief comes across (at least to me). I have heard that the area where Amber resided has been described as crack city.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on March 28, 2009, 02:46:56 AM

In the North County of San Diego there is a lot of open space. I thought (before I moved here) that the San Diego area was a dense big city. It is not.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on March 28, 2009, 03:00:16 AM

Who thinks about getting a tatoo when your daughter is missing? Good grief. My point? I do not know, am just shaking my head.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 28, 2009, 01:59:14 PM
Casey Anthony did  ::MonkeyWink:: (even though Caylee was never missing...just murdered by her sloremomma)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: cookie on March 28, 2009, 04:55:45 PM

Who thinks about getting a tatoo when your daughter is missing? Good grief. My point? I do not know, am just shaking my head.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I agree....Ron Cummings, Haleigh's father also got a tattoo....would never occur to me to do that, but to each their own I guess...
and the mom here who had the date tattooed on her, like she could ever forget that date...dunno


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on March 30, 2009, 02:30:20 AM

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Eat-at-Applebees-Raise--To-FInd-Amber.html

Bikers Roll Out, Raise $$$ To Find Amber
 
By  SUSAN TAYLOR and H. HUGHES

Updated 2:53 PM PDT, Sun, Mar 29, 2009

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Hayne Palmour IV/North County Times
Bikers from San Juan Capistrano take part in the "poker run" Saturday to raise money for the Amber Leeanne Dubois Trust Fund.

 The parents of missing Escondido teenager Amber Dubois organized two events this past week, hoping to keep the spotlight on the search for their daughter.  Amber's been missing now for five weeks. Her parents, though frustrated,  say they're not giving up hope, even though the number of volunteers has dwindled and police have no new leads.

"The more attention the better," Amber's father Maurice Dubois said. "There's got to be someone out there who knows something."

On Wednesday night,  Applebee's restaurants in San Diego, Riverside and Orange counties donated 15 percent of their revenue to help in the search.

Saturday there was a "poker run" motorcycle ride from San Juan Capistrano to Escondido that ended at the search center that's been set up for Amber.

Event organizers said about 150 riders showed up at the center. After the run there was a giant raffle, live entertainment and food provided by Buckboard BBQ.

Maurice Dubois told our media partner The North County Times that the riders with the best poker hands won thousands, but declined the prize money, instead donating it back to the search fund.

"It shows you the kind of heart these people have," he said.

Maurice Dubois said they raised over $5,000 Saturday. He also told NBC 7/39 that they are narrowing their search to weekends only.

Amber was last seen walking to school on February 13, 2009. Considered a model student, her parents believe she was abducted by strangers.

Note by me: The newscast said they were going to search outside of Escondido.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on March 30, 2009, 02:36:54 AM

http://nctimes.com/articles/2009/03/28/news/inland/escondido/z5aab182fb63684ec88257587007ec20e.txt

ESCONDIDO: Bikers raise money to help search for missing Escondido teen
By SARAH GORDON - Staff Writer | Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:07 PM PDT ∞

ESCONDIDO ---- Patches on their leather and denim jackets proclaimed alliances with mean-sounding motorcycle clubs like the "Gunfighters" and the "Sinners and Saints," but the hundreds of bikers who rumbled into central Escondido Saturday shared a benign purpose.

Event organizers said about 150 riders cruised from San Juan Capistrano to Escondido for the "poker run" fundraiser to help the search for missing Escondido teen Amber Dubois.

About 100 more bikers showed up at the Amber Search Center, on the corner of Mission Avenue and Quince Street, to listen to live music, check out each others' motorcycles and get in on raffles supporting the search.

Maurice Dubois, father of the Escondido High School student last seen walking near the school Feb. 13, said he didn't know much about bikers or motorcycles. But he hoped the event, organized by the San Diego Confederation of Clubs, would help keep the story of his missing daughter alive. With police turning up no leads on her disappearance, he said, it has become harder as time passes to enlist volunteers and spread the word that people should call with any information about Amber's disappearance.

"The more attention the better," Dubois said. "There's got to be someone out there who knows something."

Amber's family members say she would never run away, and they believe she was abducted. Police have said there is no strong evidence to support either theory.

In their matching club jackets, long beards and tattoos, the groups on two-wheeled cruisers attracted plenty of attention Saturday. Taking advantage of the spectacle, people stood on Mission Avenue with large signs calling for more search volunteers.

Kyle Cearley, a member of the Peckerwoods Motorcycle Club in East County helped organize the Saturday ride. She said the plight of Amber and her family had resonated with him and others in his club.

"I've got kids and so do a lot of these guys," he explained.

Bonnie Collins, the treasurer of the North County-based women's motorcycle club Graveyard Gamblers, said she came out for the fun of the ride and, she hoped, for a good cause.

"They really need to find that girl," she said.

Entry fees for the event, in which riders made several stops to pick up playing cards to incorporate into a poker hand, was $30 for individuals and $35 for riders with a passenger. Maurice Dubois said he was unsure how much money was raised.

But he said that the riders with the best poker hands had declined over $1,000 of $1,200 offered in prize money, instead donating it back to the search fund.

"It shows you the kind of heart these people have," he said.

Dubois said he had a meeting with Escondido police this week, in part to discuss how to best spend the money raised to search for Amber. Rebecca Smith, Maurice Dubois' longtime girlfriend, said that before Saturday's event, the Amber Leanne Dubois Trust Fund had about $12,000 in donations.

Amber's family is again asking for search volunteers to meet at 8 a.m. Sunday at the search center on Quince Street.

Anyone with information about Amber's whereabouts should call Escondido police at (760) 839-4722. More information about Amber is available at the family-run Web site www.bringamberhome.com.

Contact staff writer Sarah Gordon at (760) 740-3517 or sgordon@nctimes.com


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on March 30, 2009, 03:06:26 AM

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Eat-at-Applebees-Raise--To-FInd-Amber.html

Bikers Roll Out, Raise $$$ To Find Amber
 
By  SUSAN TAYLOR and H. HUGHES

Updated 2:53 PM PDT, Sun, Mar 29, 2009

.......[snipped for space] ......

Note by me: The newscast said they were going to search outside of Escondido.


Shell ... Thank you for the articles.  I was really hoping for something new to come of the Sunday search.   The family seems to be keeping the public interest up and encouraging LE.    I just hope LE actually has some leads and information that will provide a good ending to this story.




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on March 30, 2009, 03:07:29 AM
Another reader comment...



love
Tuesday, March 17, 2009Amber's Mom didn't want to believe it could be internet related I think her brain is fried from drugs 
look at her she a tweeker that poor girl probably had to deal with people coming in and out of her house thats why she was a quiet and keeped to her self no love at home to her so she went to run away with some -one on line so give her love thats what i feel , You can see that her dad loves her to death he's the only one thats talking you hardly see her mom on news . thank god her dad can show her love more than her mom and thats sad


http://www.cbs8.com/global/story.asp?s=10012681

The second time somebody has made a comment on Meth... Interesting.. Not colclusive and I am not accusing.

 

Just commenting on what little I know. But...it does seem the Dad is on TV more often and his grief comes across (at least to me). I have heard that the area where Amber resided has been described as crack city.

The more I think about it, I am sorry I made the crack city comment. Probably no more drug problem in that area than anywhere else. I really do not know considering I do not even live there. My heart breaks for both of the parents. A 14 year old is a child, their child. I feel strongly this is a stranger or acquaintence abduction. Given the location of the phone when it tried to check messages the day after Amber went missing makes me think it is a person who lives in or near Ambers neighborhood and knows the schedule and habits of the area.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on March 30, 2009, 03:17:42 AM

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Eat-at-Applebees-Raise--To-FInd-Amber.html

Bikers Roll Out, Raise $$$ To Find Amber
 
By  SUSAN TAYLOR and H. HUGHES

Updated 2:53 PM PDT, Sun, Mar 29, 2009

.......[snipped for space] ......

Note by me: The newscast said they were going to search outside of Escondido.


Shell ... Thank you for the articles.  I was really hoping for something new to come of the Sunday search.   The family seems to be keeping the public interest up and encouraging LE.    I just hope LE actually has some leads and information that will provide a good ending to this story.




The story is mentioned often in the local news. I don't know about national coverage. Amber's photo seems to be everywhere I go. I too hope LE has more leads than what has been shared in the news. She seems like such a sweet innocent young lady, her parents were divorced but she seemed to have a good relationship with them both and I think I heard or read she spent weekends with her Dad.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on March 30, 2009, 09:54:24 AM
Shell~This case is not mentioned on the national news.  Please keep the info coming if you can for us "east coast" monkeys!  It's difficult to stay on top of without your news links.  Thank you to all who have kept up with the case & kept us all informed.  God bless Amber and bring her home safely.  Lovinlife


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on March 31, 2009, 12:22:59 AM

What upsets me:

This child is 14, for cripes sake. Amber, and all missing children should be given equal coverage.

There is the Stephanie Crow case (in the same area) that was botched up. I am going on the faith that the LE have learned from the past and know more and have taken this case very seriously...meaning not a runaway, but an abduction.

If she ended up being abducted by someone she met online I would not be surprised. Sometimes little lambs like to come off as a wolf online. Be somebody they are not. Talk about things they would never do. That in no way means Amber is not a sweet nice girl. Naive probably. I continue to pray and she is safe and she is found.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on March 31, 2009, 10:14:55 AM
I agree shell, no longer a child but not yet a woman.  I remember being 14 and for me it was a very confusing time.  Trying to figure out life and very impressionable.  I do not believe she ran away.  JMO, lovinlife


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 31, 2009, 01:20:37 PM
On Monday, many Escondido parents were warned to talk to their children about being safe as they head to and from school. This is in light of an attempted abduction that took place near Mission Middle School, as two male students were walking toward school.
A voice recording made by Mission Middle School Principal Leticia Arroyo was sent by phone to the parents of all the students. In the beginning of the recording, Arroyo stated that, "At approximately 8 am, an attempt to abduct two male Mission students was attempted on the corner of Mission Avenue and Cedar St.  Both the students and the parents are receiving the necessary support from the Escondido Police Department and Mission Middle School."

This and a similar recording were sent to parents at Escondido Union School District and Escondido Union High School District. Parents were warned to be cautious when it comes to their children's paths to school and to notify police if they see anything suspicious. School officials said the suspects were a black and white male driving a four-door black sedan that could possibly be a Chrysler. There is a Chargers lightning bolt sticker on the rear window of the car.
The voice recording stated that the suspects attempted to physically put two eighth grade boys in their vehicle as they were approaching school. Parents say the news is frightening.

Josephine Palaciso received the phone warning and said, "I'm scared. I want to make sure my kids get to school. I want to make sure someone's with them at all times, and I tell them, 'always watch your surroundings.'"

Parents said that, in the robo-call recording, the superintendent mentioned the case of Amber Dubois, the 14-year-old who went missing in February. Dubois' parents said the attempted abduction makes them frustrated.

Amber's father Maurice Dubois said, "Absolutely, you feel it's connected.  Anytime a child is abducted and yours is still missing, you feel there is some form of a connection. Personally, how I felt?  I felt real frustrated." :(

Carrie McGonigle, Amber's mother, said the attempted abduction proves that children are being targeted in Escondido. McGonigle said, "I know she didn't run away, so obviously someone took her. They (the police) need to find who has Amber and find who did this.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 31, 2009, 01:22:22 PM
Also.. NOTHING was found on the computer records... There was no conversations going on between Amber and anyone online according to police.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 31, 2009, 01:22:56 PM
Also.. NOTHING was found on the computer records... There was no conversations going on between Amber and anyone other then her friends online according to police.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 31, 2009, 02:05:16 PM
Getting the description of the white and Black Males is significant... 

Now we have 2 attempted abductions..One with the girl and the van, she ran into a school to get away.
Then Amber
Now these 2 boys... Very unusual.. 2 boys in a attempted kidnap..8Th graders..
Just like Amber 

Wonder who was driving the van... and WHAT are they up too ?

This is all very strange.
jmho


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 31, 2009, 05:10:30 PM
Police are offering a $1,000 reward to find two men who kidnapped a 14-year-old girl and sexually assaulted her.

The girl told San Diego police it happened last month as she was walking home from school through Chicano Park.

Detectives said the girl was forced into a van, blindfolded, then sexually assaulted at another location. She was released after the attack.

Anyone with information should call Crime Stoppers at (888)580-8477.

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=10082246

San Diego is not far away.. 2 males and a van


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 31, 2009, 05:29:59 PM
Look at the time period...
Look at the Van ...
Look at the 2 guys involved..
Look at the age of the girl attacked 14 !
San Diego is not far away at all.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 31, 2009, 05:50:56 PM
Update:
ESCONDIDO -   Escondido police said Tuesday afternoon they have confirmed the report of a kidnapping attempt on two boys was a hoax
The report set off an alert with police and Escondido's Mission Middle School Monday after two children reported someone tried to force them into a car Monday morning.
Police say the boys made up the story, hoping to avoid school disciplinary action for a different incident.

http://www.bringamberhome.com/

Unbelievable.. With all that is going on in Escondido with Amber..
The immaturity of these boys is beyond reason..
How freakin stupid can they be ?




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on March 31, 2009, 06:34:08 PM

Edward, I see you posted about the hoax re: the 2 boys. I hope they get in big trouble.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on March 31, 2009, 06:42:55 PM
Police Seek Man Accused Of Assaulting Students

POSTED: 1:45 pm PDT March 31, 2009
UPDATED: 2:23 pm PDT March 31, 2009

SAN DIEGO -- San Diego police are looking for a man accused of assaulting three female students as they walked to school on Monday morning.

According to police, three girls were walking to Correia Middle School at approximately 8:10 a.m. Monday when a man allegedly attempted to grab them and put him in his van. The incident took place near the corner of Valeta Street and Famosa Boulevard.

The girls were able to escape from the man, and the San Diego Unified School Police and SDPD were contacted. The girls' parents were also contacted.

Two of the girls were treated for slight injuries to their wrists, police said.

The alleged attacker was described as a black male in his early 30s and over 6 feet tall. He was thin, bald and wearing a black shirt.

The van was described as an older, burgundy-colored Ford with solid side panels.

Police are asking the public to notify them if they see anyone who fits the alleged attacker's description or if anyone locates the van.

http://www.10news.com/news/19057410/detail.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on March 31, 2009, 06:57:36 PM
There is a van again.. and a black male mentioned..
Amber seen with a black male student ? Are they sure ?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on March 31, 2009, 08:36:02 PM
Also.. NOTHING was found on the computer records... There was no conversations going on between Amber and anyone online according to police.

They said nothing...but I wonder if they did find something and have not divuldged that information to the media.
*Salon gossip alert*-her friends say she had a 25 year old boyfriend. *gossip*

Also, I asked if people are still discussing it and the answer was...not really. Those 2 boys did a bad thing by telling a story of attempted abduction and should be punished, but I think it stirred up discussion of Amber.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on March 31, 2009, 08:49:40 PM
There is a van again.. and a black male mentioned..
Amber seen with a black male student ? Are they sure ?

I recall reading a dark skinned male. I would have to re read all articles to find how he was described. If it was a fellow student, I have not heard. If it was a stranger, where are the sketches? I do recall she was 300 yards from the school when last seen (by a friend)?
Areas around highschools are usually so busy, I can't imagine her being snatched off the street.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on March 31, 2009, 09:03:13 PM

fyi-the news just said the incident with the 3 girls was in Point Loma.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 01, 2009, 02:14:27 PM
Point Loma is within the city of San Diego.. It is located near the beach.

It is only 20- 30 miles between all of the crimes mentioned..



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 01, 2009, 02:17:20 PM
The searches for Amber should be going on in the Mohave desert at this point as it is a normal spot to place bodies historically.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 01, 2009, 02:45:01 PM
The Salton Sea is Desert ..There is a lot of Desert in the area just east..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on April 05, 2009, 01:54:31 AM
This weekend was the park concert to raise money for searching and hiring another PI.  Father Dubois said LE has no new leads and that now they are searching in Mexico too.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.northcountytimes.com/articles/2009/04/04/news/inland/escondido/zb71423b8d30313548825758f0006a5c1.txt


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 06, 2009, 09:44:32 PM
That is a good thing searching in Mexico..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on April 08, 2009, 03:52:17 AM
That is a good thing searching in Mexico..



Oh Good Monkeys, time is not Amber's friend I fear.  I found no news or leads in the last few days.   Let's hope that her family has something planned soon. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: leftbehind on April 08, 2009, 05:46:53 AM

We can keep hoping.    :smt100


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 09, 2009, 02:40:46 PM
The Silence is deafening..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on April 13, 2009, 01:25:59 AM
Amber has now been gone 2 months.  There is no news.

http://www.northcountytimes.com/articles/2009/04/12/news/inland/escondido/zff7271bcff4f305c88257597000796d6.txt


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on April 13, 2009, 01:40:19 PM
Amber has been missing two months and no closer today than on Valentine's Day?  I knew the national media had dumped the case but I was hoping that the Escondito area was still recieving leads/tips.  God be with the family and Amber.  Thank you all that continue to bring updates, what little there is.  Praying there will be news soon, Lovinlife


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on April 13, 2009, 03:58:31 PM
Amber has been missing two months and no closer today than on Valentine's Day?  I knew the national media had dumped the case but I was hoping that the Escondito area was still receiving leads/tips.  God be with the family and Amber.  Thank you all that continue to bring updates, what little there is.  Praying there will be news soon, Lovinlife

Keep up the praying please.  I just can not let this story go, and "stubborn" has always been my good and bad quality.   Hoping for news on Amber soon, and will rush over here where there are 5 or 6 of us still looking.  Bless you and Amber.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 14, 2009, 12:39:28 PM
The family did a search last saturday and 20 people showed up..

The police and the news media as well as the local population have really let them down..

jmho


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on April 14, 2009, 01:32:39 PM
The family did a search last saturday and 20 people showed up..

The police and the news media as well as the local population have really let them down..

jmho
I don't know why but I just burst into tears reading this.  20 people for the search,  ::MonkeyNoNo:: you would think that the people in this community would want answers.  I'm from Ohio, born and raised and I don't know much about CA at all, what's the deal with Escondito?  What is the population like?  I am truly sick right now.  I'm happy to help in any way, please give me some ideas.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on April 15, 2009, 10:03:45 AM
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2009/04/14/news/inland/escondido/z3b74c76682d3c97f882575980062be3e.txt

ESCONDIDO ---- The family of missing teen Amber Dubois and the police who have investigated her case for two months say they're not giving up hope, even as the flood of tips about Amber's disappearance has slowed to a steady drip.

The 14-year-old Escondido High School freshman vanished Feb. 13 on her way to school. Her parents and friends have described Amber as a bookish girl who loved horses, was a model student and never spoke of running away.

Her family believes Amber was abducted by a stranger. Police say they have no evidence to support either a runaway or abduction theory, and are looking at all possible scenarios.

There have been no significant developments in the case for weeks, causing added despair for the family and frustrating police.

"This has been a very frustrating and perplexing case for our investigators," Escondido police Lt. Bob Benton said. "To have a 14-year-old girl missing is a huge concern for all of us involved ... (Through the investigation) we all know Amber, obviously not as well as the family. She is very dear to us. We'll do anything to find her."

Benton said the department receives at least a half-dozen tips daily. Many are possible sightings and each one is checked out through phone calls, interviews or viewing surveillance video when possible, Benton said.

Police continue to receive bits of Amber's e-mail and online chat history through search warrant requests. Several family members and friends voluntarily turned over computers that Amber used, though none of the history so far has shown anything "out of the ordinary," Benton said.

Accessing Amber's computer history, on both her Yahoo! e-mail account and from several social networking sites, has been slow because much of the data is stored on servers overseas, the lieutenant said.

Benton added that police would like to speak with a young man who appeared to be walking with Amber on the west side of Broadway the morning she disappeared. Amber occasionally walked with classmates on the way to school, though the boy with a dark complexion doesn't match any of those classmates, Benton said.

"That is one of the unsolved questions in the case," he said, noting two neighbors independently said they saw Amber at 7:10 a.m. walking on Broadway near the school's football stadium ---- the last time anyone has reported seeing the girl. One of the neighbors said they saw her with the boy, Benton said.

Maurice Dubois, Amber's father, said the family will continue to organize weekend searches and events to raise awareness about their daughter.

Family and friends have held numerous candlelight vigils, press conferences and fundraisers to keep Amber's story in the news.

"We're not going to lose hope," said Dubois, noting that each passing day becomes more difficult.

Mark Klaas, whose daughter Polly was kidnapped and murdered in 1994 in Northern California, said he knows well what the Dubois family is going through. His daughter was found 65 days after she was abducted.

"(Two months) is closing in on despair," said Klaas, who now heads the KlaasKids Foundation, which works to stop crimes against children. "You start these (searches) with boundless hope that it will be a weekend project."

After weeks go by, your hope "hangs by a thread," he said.

Bill Garcia, a San Diego private investigator who worked for the Dubois family early in the search, said keeping Amber's name prominent is likely the best hope for the family.

The veteran investigator said he remains puzzled by the case, noting some kind of development typically surfaces by now.

To find new clues in a stalled case, he said, police typically go back to the beginning to find "any tidbit" they might have missed ---- something Benton said police are doing.

Volunteers are still needed for weekend searches, Dubois said. He urged off-duty military personnel with search experience to contact the family. Information about getting involved is available at the family's Web site, www.bringamberhome.com.

Amber is described as 5 feet 5 inches tall, 130 pounds with brown hair and blue eyes.

Anyone with information about her disappearance is asked to call Escondido police at (760) 743-8477.

Contact staff writer Chris Nichols at (760) 740-5426 or cnichols@nctimes.com.

**************************************************************************

I am confused, I thought they had all of Amber's computer history and no information came from it.  Now they're saying that they are still waiting on information.  I infer that they examined chats and emails from family and friends that offered the information.  What about people unknown to family and friends?!?!?!?  It has been two months!   This family needs answers!  This is unacceptable.  Lovinlife


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on April 15, 2009, 11:07:17 AM
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=349380&page=13

Amber's mom may be posting here in what I think is the old Court TV board.  Please forgive me if this is a forbidden link Klaas.  I really mean no harm. 



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 15, 2009, 01:24:27 PM
Bill Garcia, a San Diego private investigator who worked for the Dubois family early in the search, said keeping Amber's name prominent is likely the best hope for the family.

The veteran investigator said he remains puzzled by the case, noting some kind of development typically surfaces by now.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 15, 2009, 05:08:23 PM
04-11-2009, 09:32 AM 
ambers mom 
Registered User   Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2 
 
Amber is a good girl. She did not run away, or run off with some boy, she is not doing drugs or having a good time away from home. Someone took her!!
I want my daughter home! Please keep looking for Amber she could be anywhere in the world!!

Thank you,

Carrie
Amber's Mom
 
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=349380&page=13



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on April 15, 2009, 05:34:10 PM
Thanks Edward.

 I did not know how, or if I should, bring Carrie's message over.  It needed sharing but it is so heartbreaking to read.   

Chi-M


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 15, 2009, 06:46:19 PM
Thank you for coming across it.
It needs to be here ..jmho


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 16, 2009, 03:38:04 PM
It has been more than 2 months since 14-year-old Amber Dubois disappeared in Escondido.

The number of leads has dwindled to about six per day but her family and Escondido police have not given up hope.

Amber’s family says Amber was a model student who never talked about running away and they believe she was abducted.

Police want to talk to a young man who appeared to be walking with Amber on the west side of Broadway the morning she disappeared.

She sometimes walked with classmates on the way to school, but the boy doesn't match the description of any of those classmates, investigators said.

"That is one of the unsolved questions in the case," Escondido police Lt. Bob Benton said, noting two neighbors independently said they saw Amber at 7:10 a.m. walking on Broadway near the school's football stadium -- the last time anyone has reported seeing the girl. One of the neighbors said they saw her with the boy.

Amber's family is organizing another search for her this weekend.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 16, 2009, 03:44:44 PM
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Who-Was-the-Boy-With-Amber-Dubois--.html


Edward 3 minutes ago FLAG COMMENT Police could do a lot more to inform the family and the public.. A timeline of events could be in the news. Like a date and map of where the cell phone was used. A sketch of the boy she was supposedly walking with. Areas searched.. Areas Not searched. Did the police in fact take a close look at the culprit who attacked the 16 year old ? He would not allow his face on camera in the court room.. There is a reason for that.. He might just fit the profile of who was walking with Amber. If the police have looked at him they need to tell the family they have.. The family needs to know progress and people looked at and questioned.. Did the police question the prostitution ring that was noted as working in Escondido when Amber went missing ?? Not unlike them to be involved in kidnapping forced human servitude "slavery" and human trafficking.. Which would put Amber almost anywhere.. There is also the Mexican national angle that could put Amber South of the border.. Everyone is so corrupt down there.. People are being kidnapped and attacked by these people inside of the United States. The police need to do more then just waiting for the criminal to be delivered to them.. Time is passing and the police should NEVER have considered her a run away. Of course, ALL of that is just my opinion. ...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on April 17, 2009, 07:36:39 PM
Edward, your opinion is mine too! 

This is so frustrating and seems to be going nowhere.  Do you  know if the family has hired another PI?    If all the donations are going for rewards and searches, perhaps a separate account for an investigator would be useful. 

Your questions earlier about the local prostitution problem  and the possibility that a local pimp or whatever could have had a role in her disappearance need following up.     Those of us who live too far away to search might be able to donate to hire a PI.  I know I would, but they would have to approve of course.   What do think about that?

Chi-M




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 22, 2009, 04:18:31 PM



Reader comments..
The newspaper keeps deleting this poster comments..
 I think this person should be herd..
NativeE  April 15, 2009 10:24PM PST
Please NCtimes post my message or have your reporters do some investigating. When I got the phone call that this poor little girl was missing I wanted to help the family so bad. I went to the candle light vigils I helped in the searches, I went to the fundraisers but when I started seeing their behavior I know now they are involved. Instead of "keeping all options open" EPD needs to focus on the family. I realized this listening to them and constantly refer to Amber in the past tense. When I first heard it I couldn't believe it, but they do it all the time. I then began to watch mom who has no signs of grief, instead she is always laughing and looks intoxicated. Check out Pounders any day at about 8 am and see who is in there drinking booze. The boyfriend stays in the background and seems angry or someone who is trying to hide something. Mo the dad, and Carrie the mom are both well known drug users. It would be sad if their little girl paid the price for their drug and alcohol addictions. Sex slave, I doubt it. Drug related incident YES! The family is the welcoming committee to Methcondido. I doubt the girl even walked to school that day. I think something happened at home and the family knows it. What family starts scheduling fund raisers months ahead when their little girl was only gone one week? and Where is that money going into their noses?? since the Jon Benet case, police all over are scared of looking at parents as suspects, in this case they have to. Otherwise it will go unsolved.
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Also this one from another perspective..

Noelle  April 16, 2009 2:51PM PST
I think the Escondido PD has done a lousy job with this case. Where is a sketch of the boy she was seen walking with? I believe the family needs to bring in another private investigator (Not Bill Garcia). This case desperately need investigators who have experience in solving missing person cases! I do not believe the family is involved. Prayers to Amber.
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and this one for NEW info..

Concerned Mother  April 17, 2009 8:32PM PST
I think the 22 yr old that fended off an attacker this morning at 9:00AM on a Friday Morning in Escondido could be a lead to who took Amber! They need to find that guy a.s.a.p. I am sure that Amber was taken at Gunpoint. I just know it. And this old creep could be the guy!
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All from this news source..
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2009/04/14/news/inland/escondido/z3b74c76682d3c97f882575980062be3e.txt


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 22, 2009, 07:58:20 PM
ESCONDIDO ---- A 22-year-old woman used a hot cup of coffee to fend off an armed assailant during a violent struggle in a parking lot Friday morning, police said.

The case is being treated as a carjacking and an attempted kidnapping, Lt. Neal Griffin said. The man responsible is considered armed and dangerous, he said.

Shortly before 9 a.m., the woman was unlocking her car in the parking lot of Albertson's grocery store on East Valley Parkway when a man approached her from behind, Lt. Neal Griffin said.

"She had a feeling that someone was behind her, and she used her window as a mirror and saw that someone was there," he said.

The attacker put a handgun to the woman's back and threatened to shoot her if she didn't get into the car, Griffin said.

The woman resisted and the carjacker struck her in the head with his gun during the ensuing struggle, Griffin said.

"He had her in the car," Griffin said. "He actually even said, 'You're going to drive,' or words to that effect."

The fight ended when the woman threw hot coffee in the carjacker's face and freed herself, he said.

The woman had dropped her keys in the fight, and the carjacker grabbed them before driving off in her car, Griffin said.

Police are asking residents to be on the lookout for a black, two-door 1995 Toyota Celica with the California license plate 4ZMR484. The car has damage on the driver's door from a previous accident.

The carjacker was described as a tanned white man about 50 years old, 5'9" tall and 160 lbs., with short graying hair.

Griffin said residents should not try to interact with or detain the man.

Anyone who sees the car or the knows the wanted man should call 911, he said.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 23, 2009, 10:38:37 AM
reader comment..

Shirley Wednesday, Apr 22 at 1:18 PM FLAG COMMENT
 Carrie & Moe...I have heard the awful news, but only by a fluke..Why is this not in the Downey and or La Mirada area news? Afterall that is where you are all from...Anyway's I really want to talk to you Carrie. If you need anything please let me know. You can email me @ shurleegurlee@yahoo.com. I hope something comes up soon..This is something so horrible I can't even imagine the pain...Wow! The boys and I are praying for all of you.... Please don't exclude your old friends from school, we are here for you....

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Who-Was-the-Boy-With-Amber-Dubois--.html


very interesting..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 23, 2009, 01:17:25 PM
Pounders Sports Pub
125 W. Grand Ave.
Escondido, CA 92025
Daily 7 am-2 am 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 24, 2009, 11:50:40 AM
Survailliance Video from school parking lot showing pick up truck. !!!

http://www.sandiego6.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=608551@xetv.dayport.com&navCatId=5&rss=800

Authorities are asking for the public's help in identifying the owner of a truck that was seen on a surveillance camera near the time and place where Amber Dubois vanished two months ago.

The maroon or burgundy-colored pickup was driven through a bus maintenance yard at Escondido High School, where 14-year-old Amber Dubois attended, shortly after 7 a.m. Feb. 13, minutes before she went missing, according to police.

Investigators have generated no solid leads about what has become of the girl, an exemplary student with no history of running away from home.

Numerous searches of the area by groups of volunteers have likewise found no sign of where she might have gone.

In the security-camera footage, the reddish full-sized truck can be seen entering the school lot, where it is then parked for about three minutes before being driven back out the same driveway, onto North Broadway, Lt. Bob Benton said.

The pickup, which appears to be a late-model crew-cab model with four doors, is equipped with chrome parts, including wheels, running boards and bed rails, Benton said.

"Also, it appears from the video the tailgate is either missing or (modified) to accommodate a fifth-wheel trailer," the lieutenant said. "There is no further information such as license-plate or driver description."

Police asked anyone with information about the vehicle or any other aspect of the case to call (760)743-TIPS. Callers may remain anonymous.

http://www.cbs8.com/global/story.asp?s=10240558



Also here

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Red-Truck-Spotted-Near-Amber-Dubois-School.html


Readers comments ..
Most think this is a farm worker vehicle.. !!!! 





The mother of missing Escondido teen Amber Dubois is hoping new surveillance video will help police find her daughter.

"Police are looking for a break and so are we," Carrie McGonigle said.

The video of a mysterious truck was taken from a surveillance system at Escondido High's maintenance yard.

McGonigle says for the past two months, police have been trying to determine who owns the truck and who was driving it the morning Amber disappeared.

"The police have ruled out all of the teachers and faculty associated with the school," McGonigle said.

Investigators say the truck is suspicious because it did not drop off any kids.

What makes the video so compelling is that it shows the truck entering the parking lot and then leaving at about the same time Amber was last seen walking by the parking lot on North Broadway, McGonigle said.

She believes two people may have been inside the truck, and they may have waited for Amber to walk by before abducting her.

"Maybe one said something to Amber, had some kind of weapon and the other guy was the driver," McGonigle said.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Ambers-Mom-Has-a-Theory-About-Mystery-Truck-.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 24, 2009, 11:54:04 AM
ESCONDIDO ---- Police want the public's help to identify a maroon pickup truck seen leaving Escondido High School at roughly the same time and place that 14-year-old Amber Dubois disappeared in February, officials said Thursday.

Escondido police Lt. Bob Benton described the truck as a newer full-size, four-door crew cab. It was spotted on a school surveillance camera about 7:10 a.m. Feb. 13 near the school's bus and maintenance yard on the north side of the campus, Benton said.

Police have said Dubois was last seen about 7:10 a.m. that day walking on Broadway just north of the school's football stadium, which is near the bus yard.

"We'd definitely like to contact the driver to see if they saw anything, if they know Amber or if they're connected to the investigation in any way," Benton said.

The video shows the truck entering the maintenance parking lot, stopping for about three minutes and then exiting from the same way back to Broadway.

The truck is described as burgundy or maroon and has chrome bed rails or tie-down rails with chrome running boards and wheels. It appears the tailgate is missing or the truck has a modified black tailgate to accommodate a fifth-wheel trailer.

There is no information on a license plate or driver description, police said.

Benton said police had identified nearly all other vehicles on surveillance footage in the area that morning as those of students or school employees. They have not been able to identify this truck, he said.

Police have classified Amber's case as a missing juvenile. Her parents have said they believe she was abducted by a stranger, though police have said they do not have enough information to prove whether she ran away or was abducted.

The public is asked to call Beverly Marquez at (760) 839-4752 with information about the truck. Anonymous tips can be made at (760) 743-TIPS or at www.escondido.org/police.

Contact staff writer Chris Nichols at (760) 740-5426 or cnichols@nctimes.com.

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2009/04/24/news/inland/escondido/z0c38a6247ce8f6a5882575a200068377.txt

Somebody needs to get this license plate number  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 24, 2009, 12:00:09 PM
There is no information on a license plate or driver description, police said.

Benton said police had identified nearly all other vehicles on surveillance footage in the area that morning as those of students or school employees. They have not been able to identify this truck, he said.


Monkeys help..  :smt100 :smt100 :smt100
View the videos and get that license plate number if you can !


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 24, 2009, 12:44:39 PM
It is a newer dodge full size 4 door pick up maroon in color.

1. Farm worker

2.OR, If 5th wheel.. It could be a traveling farm worker.. migrating from Arizona to California and back..
OR
A Retired person or Traveling worker person such as a Contractor/ construction worker and his 5th wheel trailer is parked at some local trailer park OR in a state park or county park in the area.




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 24, 2009, 01:03:26 PM
This appears to be the best video out of the various news sites listed above..

http://www.sandiego6.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=608551@xetv.dayport.com&navCatId=5&rss=800


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: klaasend on April 24, 2009, 01:23:20 PM
Edward - I can't even get close to seeing the license plate:


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/truck3.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/truck.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/truck2.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Deenie on April 24, 2009, 01:31:30 PM
Edward - Thank You for the New News on Amber ...
I watched the video and also chased it on the news - Klaas has the photo's from both vids posted.

IF LE can get a Blow up the Captions of Photos- on the Truck itself  (the Face of the Truck) - they will be able to determine the Make and Model by the Head Lamps.. that is for sure.
No Headlamp is the same - and it can be easily broken down within Newer Model vehicles. Being that it is a Large Truck ..even if its been modified " Headlamps" usually go untouched - If anything more " lamps" are added ...

Praying for Amber and Her Family
K


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Nut44x4 on April 24, 2009, 01:39:57 PM
Edward - I can't even get close to seeing the license plate:


Nope....  ::MonkeyNoNo:: impossible to see


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 24, 2009, 01:45:43 PM
You are all wonderful..thanks for trying.. maybe the police will release a better vehicle...

I wonder if there was a stolen vehicle fitting this description stolen from any city close to Escondido.
That Williams character who kidnapped the 16 year old could have been in the vehicle..
He is currently in custody for the crime against the 16 year old...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 24, 2009, 01:47:28 PM
A better Video// not vehicle from the above post.. sorry


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 24, 2009, 01:47:41 PM
Edward - I can't even get close to seeing the license plate:


Nope....  ::MonkeyNoNo:: impossible to see
I agree, I watched several times, impossible to see. My question is why did LE wait this long to release the video?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on April 24, 2009, 01:53:01 PM
Oh  Edward, it is so good to have some new information on this case.  Wouldn't this have been more helpful 2 months ago?   Wonder why just now it is released.   It is just so frustrating watching LE do, or not do, their job.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 24, 2009, 01:59:40 PM
Hard to say why they did not tell anyone sooner..

I hope they will attempt to give out a better image
I hope they get there heads thinking and send it to the F.B.I. crime lab.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Mere on April 24, 2009, 02:03:20 PM
Edward....I cannot get a thing....but why not FBI Labs....or perhaps NASA.  When do the police think it is important enough to send this tape off to someone else?  I would have said on day one if it were my child.

Thank you for staying with this case.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 24, 2009, 02:13:12 PM
I agree.. IF Searchers know of this vehicle early then they could be looking for a match while searching.. and DID Police from San Diego LOOK at ALL missing/stolen vehicles to see if this was one of them ? AND It is a true professional that knows WHEN to seek others help such as the F.B.I.

Never considered NASA .. But yes  ::MonkeyWink::

I hope Mom rides the police daily for updates and information..
We need to get Mom in touch with Beth Twitty and Gloria Denton for backbone support !

They know how to keep police hot on it .. ::MonkeyWink::
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: GramaMonkey on April 24, 2009, 02:34:44 PM
Hard to say why they did not tell anyone sooner..

I hope they will attempt to give out a better image
I hope they get there heads thinking and send it to the F.B.I. crime lab.

Don't the FBI /LE have access to the State Dept. of MOTOR Vehicle Registrations.

Shouldn't be too hard to do a search for a truck of that type and start eliminating.  My thought would be someone close....as being there at 7 AM. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: GramaMonkey on April 24, 2009, 02:36:25 PM
If you can get some names of maybe RV / Campgrounds in the area, I can go onto Google Earh, and take a look around.  However, not sure how updated some of the site is, as far as the most recent pics. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: GramaMonkey on April 24, 2009, 02:38:34 PM
Have they taken Amber's computer and checked for contact with people on MySpace and FAcebook...she may have been in contact with a stranger...and went willingly.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 24, 2009, 02:49:58 PM
(http://www.escondido.org/police/images/main/top-photo.jpg)

Escandido Police Department..

http://www.escondido.org/police/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 24, 2009, 02:51:40 PM
All 6 of them and the Dog..  ::MonkeyWink::

This is Big.. They need help .. jmho


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 24, 2009, 02:52:59 PM
They went through her computer and phone records..
Notta..Nothing.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: NM on April 24, 2009, 02:59:17 PM
Hi Edward,
I saw your post in the Sandra thread.

I have no skills at enlarging or clarifying a video/pic.

For what it is worth, I see a couple of people walking behind the bus in that parking lot just as the truck is pulling into the parking spot. They are at the front roof of the bus.
They look like they are looking at the truck.  I hope they spoke with LE.

Prayers for Amber and family.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 24, 2009, 03:23:58 PM
http://kogo.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=125548&article=5367402

In this video view .. The pick up is backing up in the video..
A car comes in right behind it..
That car sees the person in this truck. The car apparently drives into where the bus is parked.. Also at the end of the video you see a human being walking towards the bus..

There are people all around this pick up as it backs up and pulls forward and stops and then backs up and takes off..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 24, 2009, 03:25:32 PM
Hi NM
I did not see your post NM .. You and I are on the same page..  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: NM on April 24, 2009, 04:26:44 PM
Hi Edward,
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: It must be a Monkey-thing!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 24, 2009, 05:08:32 PM
http://kogo.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=125548&article=5367402

In this video view .. The pick up is backing up in the video..
A car comes in right behind it..
That car sees the person in this truck. The car apparently drives into where the bus is parked.. Also at the end of the video you see a human being walking towards the bus..

There are people all around this pick up as it backs up and pulls forward and stops and then backs up and takes off..

They just deleted the video..I guess they do not like us seeing the car and the people..  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on April 24, 2009, 05:19:00 PM
Have they taken Amber's computer and checked for contact with people on MySpace and FAcebook...she may have been in contact with a stranger...and went willingly.
IIRC, the police were having a difficult time getting all of the computer information, this was 10 days ago:

snipped from:  http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2009/04/14/news/inland/escondido/z3b74c76682d3c97f882575980062be3e.txt

Police continue to receive bits of Amber's e-mail and online chat history through search warrant requests. Several family members and friends voluntarily turned over computers that Amber used, though none of the history so far has shown anything "out of the ordinary," Benton said.

Accessing Amber's computer history, on both her Yahoo! e-mail account and from several social networking sites, has been slow because much of the data is stored on servers overseas, the lieutenant said.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 24, 2009, 07:21:44 PM
There is at least 2 different video's ..One shows the white car and what appears to be 2 2 people and the pick up backing across the parking lot and moving forward again right in front of the white car who is coming into where the bus is parked. the pick up sits still after parking.

 In the other video it does not show the pick up backing up ..Only moving forward and you do not see the white car or the people..The suspect pickup leaves in a forward motion in that video..

Kinda strange.. But for some reason there are 2 different vids out there.

I downloaded and saved the one where the pick up is backing up.. Have no idea why the driver is doing that.. then he moves forward and stops in front of the bus.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: klaasend on April 24, 2009, 07:30:34 PM
http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2009-04-24/news/video-is-released-on-amber-case

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/amb.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on April 27, 2009, 01:08:56 PM
(http://www.escondido.org/police/images/main/top-photo.jpg)

Escandido Police Department..

http://www.escondido.org/police/

I believe there are more than 6.
http://www.ci.escondido.ca.us/police/about/org-chart.pdf


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on April 27, 2009, 01:17:02 PM
http://kogo.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=125548&article=5367402

In this video view .. The pick up is backing up in the video..
A car comes in right behind it..
That car sees the person in this truck. The car apparently drives into where the bus is parked.. Also at the end of the video you see a human being walking towards the bus..

There are people all around this pick up as it backs up and pulls forward and stops and then backs up and takes off..

They just deleted the video..I guess they do not like us seeing the car and the people..  ::MonkeyWink::

I just watched the video. It said...for locals only. I noticed a white car beside the truck. I wonder what, if anything the person/s saw and were able to tell police.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 27, 2009, 06:02:05 PM
(http://www.escondido.org/police/images/main/top-photo.jpg)

Escandido Police Department..

http://www.escondido.org/police/

I believe there are more than 6.
http://www.ci.escondido.ca.us/police/about/org-chart.pdf

I know, I was just being funny..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 27, 2009, 06:19:50 PM
http://kogo.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=125548&article=5367402

In this video view .. The pick up is backing up in the video..
A car comes in right behind it..
That car sees the person in this truck. The car apparently drives into where the bus is parked.. Also at the end of the video you see a human being walking towards the bus..

There are people all around this pick up as it backs up and pulls forward and stops and then backs up and takes off..

They just deleted the video..I guess they do not like us seeing the car and the people..  ::MonkeyWink::

I just watched the video. It said...for locals only. I noticed a white car beside the truck. I wonder what, if anything the person/s saw and were able to tell police.

I noticed that late that night the video reappeared with less then what it had before..

The one thing I see is the pick up is first backing up and not just a little ..He backs up quite a bit and THEN he drives forward and the white car come in behind him and through the gate into where the bus was parked.. The pick up continues and parks facing the Bus. There was also somebody walking in the first video.
It is said that he sits there for 3 minutes and then takes off..

It is a BUS yard and not a school parking lot.. So nobody except the bus drivers and mechanics are supposed to park in that Yard.. It is early morning and LOTS of people are walking just outside of this driveway..


I am beginning to think that the supposed eye witnesses are full of baloney and that possibly NOBODY actually had seen her.. That would mean she could have been abducted ANYWHERE along her route from home to the school.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on April 27, 2009, 07:28:38 PM
(http://www.escondido.org/police/images/main/top-photo.jpg)

Escandido Police Department..

http://www.escondido.org/police/

I believe there are more than 6.
http://www.ci.escondido.ca.us/police/about/org-chart.pdf

I know, I was just being funny..

I figured that out *after I posted.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 27, 2009, 07:30:26 PM
The Dog Looks Nice..  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on April 27, 2009, 09:02:06 PM


I just read this article about the search this weekend for Amber, but I see no followup information.  Guess they did not come up with anything new.     Searchers now number only about 30.   
 
It was good to see that Amber's father said he was shown the pictures of the truck at the school by the FBI.    Because of the proximity of the Mexico border, the FBI seems to me  the logical agency to lead the investigation.
   
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Family-Plans-to-Search-for-Amber-Dubois-This-Weekend.html

Chi-M






Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on April 27, 2009, 09:15:36 PM
Also on Friday Amber's mom said that about a half-dozen tips have come in about the pickup truck in the security videos.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Tips-Flow-in-About-Truck-In-Amber-Dubois-Case.html

Let's hope and pray for Amber's return.          Chi-M


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on April 28, 2009, 01:10:52 PM
Enter the Three Psychics..... ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Psychics-Search-For-Missing-Teen.html 

Great move.  I'm for anything that might help find Amber, and keep the public interest up. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on April 28, 2009, 01:44:25 PM
Good Find chi monkey  ::MonkeyWink::
I hope you do not mind that I bring this info here so we can record it for history..

(http://media.nbcsandiego.com/images/300*164/mediums002.jpg)

It's been more than two months since Escondido teen Amber Dubois went missing and so far, investigators have no solid leads. But Amber's mother, Carrie McGonigle, is hoping that three "mediums" can help track down the 14-year-old girl.  "I believe they can help find her," she said.

Amber 'Mediums'

Watch VideoAmber 'Mediums'
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Psychics-Search-For-Missing-Teen.html


The women approached Carrie a few weeks ago and told her they wanted to help.  "Not a day goes by that we do not think about Amber," said Pam.  The women didn't want to reveal their last names.

"It's a gift, you want to give back and help people, and it's given to you for a reason, and you want to use it," said Cindy. Together, the women are hoping to combine their visions and help Escondido Police find Amber.  "I see where she's at," said Laura.  "I see where they have traveled; somebody took her and there's quite a few people involved."

The women unanimously agree that Amber did not run away, but is being held against her will. Two of them claim to have had "gut feelings" about an area called Gopher Canyon in North County.  But when they searched that area, nothing was found.

The women admit that there are people who are skeptical and question their intentions.  "We're doing this for free, at our own expense," said Pam.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 01, 2009, 10:28:55 PM
News article reader posted this item..

Joe Villena
Saturday, March 14, 2009
 I have tried without success to get my point across to those who enforced the law, and to the news media as well, but encounters only with deaf ears and pessimistics comments. They probably thought that I am some kind of "Weirdo" making up my own story just to gain publicity. I am a parent myself who are after the welfare of my own community, both here and abroad. When the word "Paranormal" or "Psychic" was mentioned as to how this disappearance would be solved, authorities and non-believers alike just ignored the possibilites. Based on my calculations, Amber was abducted by at least four people, sexually assaulted her repeatedly inside a van. The route that must have been taken was from Valley Parkway to I-15 North, they exited at the Old 76 Road, head west to North Santa Fe Road, brought Amber's lifeless body to GUAJOME STATE PARKS, stuffed her body to a duffel bag, or a tent bag, buried her in the muddy area near the northwest trails. I highly recommended that the search party get some help from a sniffing dog, trained it to the scent of Amber.s clothing, go to the area I briefly described, and with God's divine intervention, this case would beover soon. Please be advised that whoever did this cruelty crime to Amber are monitoring all the activities being carried out, including this website to avoid being detected. I have contacted well-known Psychics and Astrologers to evaluate my findings, but it'll only take a few dedicated people to the area I pinpointed to verify my lead. thank you and God bless.

http://www.cbs8.com/global/story.asp?s=9975976


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 01, 2009, 11:07:39 PM
(http://www.co.san-diego.ca.us/reusable_components/images/parks/images/GuajomeAdobe.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on May 04, 2009, 02:49:45 AM

I think the big problem here is there are 2 camps. The ones who think she ran away, and the ones who think she was abducted (me). I really think the ones who think she ran away are doing so in order to divert the reality of the worst happening.

Amber was probably naive as any 14 year old can be. If..and that is a big IF she knew her abducter via computer communication, we all know she certainly did not see the danger.

I do not think Amber chose to leave her family and her life behind. She did not leave of her own free will. I think of her every day. When I am out in the community, I look for the red truck with the missing or altered tailgate.

Surely the local police learned something from the Stephanie Crow case. Please God, do not let our LE make assumptions. I fear they did, and I fear it is too late.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on May 04, 2009, 03:00:29 AM

Here is another thing that bothers me and I know it can't be helped. A child walks to school as many children do. Teacher calls roll and Jane Doe is not in her seat (elem school). Middle and upper school begins process of reporting non attendance in each class to main office. School calls parents and a message is left on machine. Chances are parent is not at home and does not receive message until they arrive home because they have left for work or could be running their errands. Hours have passed. This is what happened in Ambers case. That is one reason why an Amber (ironic) alert was not put out. Nobody saw an abduction, the school implemented their normal procedure for non attendance and precious moments leading into hours passed.  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on May 04, 2009, 03:06:47 AM
News article reader posted this item..

Joe Villena
Saturday, March 14, 2009
 I have tried without success to get my point across to those who enforced the law, and to the news media as well, but encounters only with deaf ears and pessimistics comments. They probably thought that I am some kind of "Weirdo" making up my own story just to gain publicity. I am a parent myself who are after the welfare of my own community, both here and abroad. When the word "Paranormal" or "Psychic" was mentioned as to how this disappearance would be solved, authorities and non-believers alike just ignored the possibilites. Based on my calculations, Amber was abducted by at least four people, sexually assaulted her repeatedly inside a van. The route that must have been taken was from Valley Parkway to I-15 North, they exited at the Old 76 Road, head west to North Santa Fe Road, brought Amber's lifeless body to GUAJOME STATE PARKS, stuffed her body to a duffel bag, or a tent bag, buried her in the muddy area near the northwest trails. I highly recommended that the search party get some help from a sniffing dog, trained it to the scent of Amber.s clothing, go to the area I briefly described, and with God's divine intervention, this case would beover soon. Please be advised that whoever did this cruelty crime to Amber are monitoring all the activities being carried out, including this website to avoid being detected. I have contacted well-known Psychics and Astrologers to evaluate my findings, but it'll only take a few dedicated people to the area I pinpointed to verify my lead. thank you and God bless.

http://www.cbs8.com/global/story.asp?s=9975976

What website? (cbs8.com?) How does this poster know the website is monitored? If they do not want to be detected, why go on any website? Lots of open spaces in San Diego North County for sure.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on May 04, 2009, 03:15:54 AM
The Dog Looks Nice..  ::MonkeyWink::

LOL   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 04, 2009, 11:01:57 AM
Not far from Escondido is a huge desert.. Police believe there are thousands of bodies in that desert and they do in fact come across them quite frequently..

Denial is a terrible thing.. It will make people procrastinate in looking for the obvious..

Amber has not been herd from.. Most likely scenario is buried in the desert.
jmho


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on May 04, 2009, 11:23:37 AM
God bless Amber and her family!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 04, 2009, 06:33:05 PM
A North County teenager is in the hospital after being attacked in her home and repeatedly stabbed. The 14-year-old Escondido victim is in serious condition, according to our media partner the North County Times.

Two teenaged girls have been arrested by Escondido police. As of Sunday night, investigators were still looking for a third suspect, a boy.

The victim was home alone and called 911 after getting stabbed several times, police said.

She was taken to Palomar Medical center, then airlifted to Rady Children's hospital.

Neighbors said the girl lives with her grandmother and mother. Esteben Arredondo, who lives next door to the teenager, said she's a student at Hidden Valley Middle School.

The Escondido police gang unit is investigating this attack but it has not been determined that it's gang-related.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Teenager-Stabbed-In-Her-Own-Home.html


OK...With this kind of thinking..
There is a resonable chance that Amber was a victim of an attack by her own piers..

It is possible that teenagers, friends or rivals, attacked Amber and disposed of her body.




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on May 05, 2009, 09:44:55 AM
I agree with you Edward.  Amber did not leave at her own free will.  This is scary.  What in the world goes on in Escondito? In MIDDLE SCHOOL?  From what I have read about Amber, she was a good student and a good kid.  Bad kids unfortunately don't like the good kids.  That would make sense why none of the other students reported seeing anything.  Any new leads on the pickup truck?  JMO, Lovinlife


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 07, 2009, 01:58:47 PM
Why is Amber in High scool at 14 and the other girl who was knife attacked at age 14 was in middle school ?



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: califmom on May 07, 2009, 02:38:09 PM
Why is Amber in High scool at 14 and the other girl who was knife attacked at age 14 was in middle school ?



Edward... It depends on what age she started going to school.  My daughter started kinder at age 6, while most kids start at age 5.  Other reasons could be that Amber skipped a grade or maybe the girl who was attacked flunked a grade.  More than likely it's because the age they started going to school.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: califmom on May 07, 2009, 02:41:59 PM
Why is Amber in High scool at 14 and the other girl who was knife attacked at age 14 was in middle school ?



Edward... It depends on what age she started going to school.  My daughter started kinder at age 6, while most kids start at age 5.  Other reasons could be that Amber skipped a grade or maybe the girl who was attacked flunked a grade.  More than likely it's because the age they started going to school.

I didn't finish what I was saying and ooops, I posted it...

Anyhow, because my daughter started kinder at age 6 she is the same age as the class ahead of her, so when she is in the 8th grade (middle school), she will be the same age as her friends that are now in 9th grade (high school out here).  I hope I am making sense.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 07, 2009, 02:43:03 PM
Thank You Califmom
I hope police take a close look


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on May 08, 2009, 12:58:34 PM

Amber's father announced another search for her this weekend.   They will concentrate on a 10 mile radius.   Also, this week the school sent a voice mail to each parent asking them to talk with their child about Amber and the morning she went missing.  Hope that one may know more than they have given LE. 

http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2009-05-05/news/local-county-news/poway-escondido-ramona/amber-dubois-search-continues-mothers-day-weekend

Let's hope some of this will provide a break. 

Chi-M


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 08, 2009, 04:27:26 PM
I am happy to see the father has asked the school to do this..
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 08, 2009, 04:38:21 PM
I had to bring the article over.. It has some information in it we did not yet know.. Like the construction trucks..

ESCONDIDO — The search for missing teenager Amber Dubois will continue on Mother’s Day weekend, but not on the day itself.

“It’s a really hard time for us,” Maurice Dubois, Amber’s father said. He will be in Escondido again for the weekend, staffing the search center, as volunteers once again head out to scour the city looking for the 14-year-old who went missing Feb. 13, outside Escondido High School.

Amber was last reported seen just a few hundred yards from the school gates at about 7:10 a.m. that day. A neighbor and friend of the family reported seeing her just north of the school district operations center driveway, on Broadway. Police released a school surveillance video on April 23 which showed a burgundy truck pulling into that operations center parking lot, parking for approximately three minutes, and quickly exiting the parking lot around the time of Amber’s disappearance. They are asking the public for information about the truck. Police have been looking for clues about it since February.

“It was right there, right then,” Dubois said. “That’s why it was so eye-catching to police. The police think Amber was taken between 7:10 and 7:13 a.m..”

Dubois said it is believed that Amber hadn’t yet reached the driveway when she was last seen. Police have said construction trucks were parked south of that driveway, toward the school gates, which would have blocked passersby from seeing much of the sidewalk where Amber would have been walking. No one has reported seeing Amber enter the school gates that morning.

On Monday night, parents of Escondido High School students received a phone message from principal Sue Emerson, saying that Dubois had requested, by letter, that all parents talk to their students about that morning. The message said that many students at the school had been interviewed, but that Dubois wants every child questioned by a parent, in case any further information can be gleaned.

“Parents can tell if a child is holding something back, or lying,” Dubois told San Diego News Network. I could always tell if Amber was holding back from telling me something. I want kids to know that they can call San Diego Crime Stoppers and leave an anonymous message and there’s no way that message can be traced back to whoever left it.”

Dubois’s letter, posted as a PDF in English and Spanish on the school’s Web site, asks parents “for a few minutes of your time to talk to your children about Amber and see if they know anything that may help us find our daughter.”

This weekend’s search will be conducted somewhere “within about a 10-mile radius of the school,” Dubois said. The exact search areas aren’t disclosed to the family. A mapper chooses the areas and works in coordination with the Escondido Police Department, he said.

The public is asked to contact San Diego Crime Stoppers with information at (888) 580-8477.

http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2009-05-05/news/local-county-news/poway-escondido-ramona/amber-dubois-search-continues-mothers-day-weekend

Comment by: Sheila Welch (Amber's Grandmom) Posted: May 8, 2009, 12:37 pm

Amber’s website gives a phone number for anyone with questions about the reward. 1 562 360 5162. It has new information about the rewards. The family continues the search for Amber, but the family needs to know if she has already been murdered. If she is now dead, a reward of $10,000 will be paid for the burial location.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 08, 2009, 04:41:57 PM
After the knife incident on the 14 year old girl by other kids..
All these kids need to be looked at by there own parents for information of knowledge of Amber..

No doubt about it.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on May 09, 2009, 01:57:14 PM
I am really impressed by the campaign for Amber.  These people absolutely will not just be quiet and go away! 

Chi-M              ::MonkeyDance::



http://fav.or.it/post/1392161/missing-amber-dubois

adubois I received the folloing e-mail from a man named Rob who is asking not only my assistance but also the public’s assistance in trying to help find missing 14-year-old Amber Dubois. Here is Rob’s e-mail…

    I am a letter carrier in Escondido CA. I am helping with the search for Amber Dubois who went missing in Escondido on 2/13/09. I have friends in the post office looking for her and other agencies as well including most of the Water District Meter Readers in San Diego County along with other organizations.

    I am reaching out to your organization because I want to get the word out about some new information regarding Amber’s disappearance. I’m sure you are sick and tired of this trend of missing teens. We need people to report underage prostitution in San Diego and San Bernardino County so we can flush Amber Dubois out if indeed this is the case. I’ve asked the Diocese of San
    Diego for help and asked them to report any underage prostitution in the parishes, etc. and they sent me an email stating they don’t get involved in that because it is a law enforcement issue.

    It sounds like you have great experience in these situations regarding exploited youth on Craigslist and probably have several contacts and law enforcement friends that you can send this email to.

    There have been several arrests made in this area regarding Craigslist prostitution and there is a chance that is what happened to Amber.

    There are plenty of missing girls in CA. and some of the cases could be related.

    I’ve went as far to email the Attorney General outlining my concerns and asking why brothels and other places of prostitution are not being raided especially when it is clear the girls and boys are underage. Needless to say I did not hear back.

    I also asked why they don’t shut down the Craigslist Erotic Services site in California. Even went as far as to ask him to bring suit against them in the names of the little girls who were returned home..no answer.

    What I wanted to ask is if you could visit Amber’s website at www.bringamberhome.com and go to the flyer page. There you will find the flyer with her information and info regarding a $60,000 reward. I want to know if it is possible to print off a few flyers and hang them up and brief your members of the situation and also send an email to all your loyal contacts in a least CA and AZ and ask them for help as well. If you can’t print out the flyers, email me back with the amount of flyers that your organization would need and I will forward the email to the command center and have them mailed out to you asap. Also there are new clues just released
    regarding a suspicious vehicle. You can find the information here: news.search.yahoo.com/news/search?p=amber+dubois

    This seems like a rather easy way to have several professional people looking for her. Letter carriers are the eyes and ears on the street but it is not enough. Your contacts are probably enormous and cover many industries and have wide ranging impact. Can you just imagine how many eyes would be looking for this little girl?? We could also use some help in searches for Amber and also people to post her story in magazines and organizational bulletins and websites. Please help us. If you wish I can put you directly
    in touch with her Father Maurice Dubois and the command center.

Unfortunately Rob is correct, there has been some child prostitution activity in the San Diego area recently as it relates to craigslist. I can’t say for certain that’s what happened to Amber but I wouldn’t be surprised. The other unfortunate thing is that I don’t really have any contacts in law enforcement especially in the California and Arizona areas.

What I do have are loyal readers and other bloggers who would be more than happy to help get the word out.

To my readers if you’re in the Southern California or Arizona areas please go to the website and print out some fliers to post around town or hand out. To my blogging friends please feel free to copy this post. You don’t have to link back to me but please link to Amber’s website.

It doesn’t seem like much but hopefully through even this little action Amber can be brought home safe and sound to her family.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 09, 2009, 02:21:32 PM
Letter carriers
Water meter readers
electric and gas meter readers
UPS and other delivery drivers
motel workers

All good sources for missing people searches.. They are Stealth searchers..  ::MonkeyWink::

The Craig's list is a help to searchers looking for people held in forced servitude in my opinion.
If it is cancelled they will still do business..It will just be in dark alleys and back rooms and hidden out of view.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on May 09, 2009, 02:36:59 PM
Agreed Edward.    The more searchers the better.   

Even if Amber is no longer with us, she needs to be found.  Didn't I see earlier that the gmother has offered a reward of $10,000 for the location of her body if she is gone. 
That is realistic and heartbreakingly sad.

Chi-M



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 09, 2009, 02:45:26 PM
Grandma was very realistic.. It truly was very sad to read her post.. But it needed to be said and she stepped up.
She is a great woman and big support for her family in keeping them grounded and prepared to receive news one way or the other..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 09, 2009, 08:10:00 PM
I am Amber's maternal Grandmom.  Carrie and her sisters and I, work every single day and night to find Amber. On Wednesday, it will be three horrific months since she was taken from us.  Yet, no Amber Alert has issued because no one saw where or when she was taken.  Two parents driving by the school, on a street with construction vehicles, on a rainy day said they saw Amber walking to school.  Amber sent a text message to me before she left for school.  But, in fact, no one really knows when or where, between the house and the school, she was taken. The report that she called another student on her way to school is incorrect.  Amber's phone is on my phone system and no such call was made.

During the five days before she was taken, Amber and I exchanged over 70 text messages.  She was happy.  She left for school that day, as reported, with gifts for girlfriends and a check to pay for a lamb.  She took her Ipod and her phone, but did not take the cords...because she knew she would be home before they needed recharging. 

As she does each year, Amber spent Christmas holiday with me and her cousins.  It rained very hard and all 5 of us slopped through the mud at the stable to give Christmas carrots to the horses, Rojo and Sally.  Amber did not get to ride because of the weather and was looking forward to coming to my house to do so in February.  We had plans in June to go to Yellowstone to see the wolves, having followed the restoration  progress for several years. 

The Yellowstone newsletter arrived yesterday.  It uses the description by Aldo Leopold to describe the music of the wolf as an "outburst of wild defiant sorrow."  I know that feeling now. You try to maintain, and, then you are hit with an uncontrollable  sorrow that is almost more than one can survive.

We know that Amber was taken by force.  If someone walked next to her with a gun or a knife, she would have gone with them quietly in the hope of a later escape.  She is an intelligent girl.  She knows basic self defense, but she is not athletic and trying to run away would have been a futile act.  She may have been threatened...make a scene and I will see that your little sister is killed, or, I have a gun and if you don't come quietly, I will start shooting at all these students and you will be the cause of their death.   Criminals know how to frighten.

The police take the position that people would have seen Amber if she was forced into a car or van.  It takes 17 seconds.  She would have gone quietly under a death threat, particularly, if the person threatened to start shooting everyone around her---she knew about school shootings, as we all do, sadly.

The Escondido Police Department retains the lead in the investigation.  This is the most complex case they have ever had and they do NOT have the manpower, the experience or the modern equipment needed. They are trying, for the most part, but it is like trying to build a house with just an old fashion nail and hammer. To do the job, you need manpower, experience and the right tools.  And, while we watch TV and see great things done by the FBI, beyond initial interviews of family members, I personally know of nothing more that the FBI has been willing to do to find Amber.  The FBI has NOT EVEN put, at this writing, Amber's photo and ID on their "Kidnapping and Missing Persons Investigations" website.

Unlike the police who admit to no experience, the FBI claims they have "agents with in-depth experience and a proven track record in crimes against children investigations, especially where a child has been abducted by someone other than family member." [www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/cac/kidnap.htm] The police have now agreed to regularly meet with the family, the FBI does not participate or interface with the family at all. 

I have seen negative comments relating to why Amber gets media coverage.  It is because we work at it day and night.  Some nights, I am working on the computer asking for help until 3 a.m.  The volunteer groups that have helped us thus far have done so because of e-mails, and calls to them.  We have been blessed by others sending messages to our website offering specialized help.  None of this happens by magic. Maurice, Amber's Dad, takes the lead at the Search Center activity and with the press.  My daughters set up the website and manage it. We respond to the emails and send "tips" to the police when received. More importantly, we do the research relating getting help and to scientific advances...most of which neither the police nor the FBI have or know about. And, it takes hours every day.

Amber's Mom, Carrie, in addition to searching night and day for Amber, has started formal training for Search and Rescue (SAR) with a fast growing puppy. She is determined to be able to help others when they lose a child by responding with her soon to be well trained dog.  Carrie was inspired by the volunteers, particularly those from KlaasKids,  who were the first responders to our pleas for help.  We needed to get immediate help with trained dogs, but were told by the police that "it takes time" to get the dogs, when, in truth, time was something no one has when their child is missing. Carrie wants to be there when the next child goes missing. 

You are likely aware of spy satellite surveillance.  NASA will take requests for help for missing children but only from police agencies.  It took weeks to get EPD to actually contact NASA even though I provided the information and an example of the evidence NASA had provided in other missing children cases.  Ultimately, NASA had nothing which would help us. Satellites are sun-synchronous for images so they are taken at local time around 10:30 a.m., too late for us.

Subsequently, we have been working for the past weeks on what we call  "Eye on Amber" and I would like to ask for your help with this. We have contacted all the commercial (vs spy) companies we can find to ask if they had any aerial cameras operating in the Escondido area on February 13, 2009. It is like the needle in the haystack--the chances of finding someone in the air doing photography at between 7:00 a.m. -7:30 a.m. But, we must keep trying.

We have an expert on forensic aerial photography (forensic aerial photogrammertry and forensic aerial photointerpretation) available to analyze any photos we can locate to determine what ACTUALLY happened to Amber. 

Also, if you are a student, the parent of a student, a teacher, or anyone who worked at EHS and used a phone camera or camera ANYWHERE on the campus before school started on Feb. 13, 2009, please send us the photos.

If you can help us, or, if you know of anyone who can, please contact our website www. BringAmberHome.com .

Second request.  This is so hard to say.  If you see any place within a 20 mile radius of the Escondido High School where the earth has been dislodged, or changed by digging, please take a photo of the area and send that information with the location to us.
We are also asking for current aerial photographs for analysis as well. Previous drone photographs were undistinguished.

Though we do not want to consider the possibility that Amber may no longer be alive, we must force ourselves to do so even as we continue our search.  If she is dead,  the family needs to know and to provide a proper burial for her.  If you see something suspicious, please let us know.   

The rewards for information are fully funded and in the bank. Reward information can be obtained by calling 1-562 360-5162.  This is a new number and is posted on the web site as well.  If Amber is dead, there is a reward of $10,000.00 for the location of her burial. This has not been publicized before.  Please get this information out there for us. 

Thank you for caring about Amber and for your prayers.

Grandmom
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2009, 08:27:36 PM
Ambers Grandmom - welcome to SM!

Thank you for sharing so much information with us.  I believe most of us feel exactly as you that Amber was taken by force. 

As far as media attention, it is always up to the family to push for it.  You are doing the right thing by trying to keep it in the news, on Nancy Grace, etc. 

I pray every day the Amber finds a way to escape and hope she can be located soon.  It's been way too long.

HUGS to you!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 09, 2009, 08:51:00 PM


Amber's Grandmom, I also want to welcome you to Scared Monkeys.  You have arrived at a place with many caring and helpful people.  I know that everyone here will do their best to help you in your search for Amber.

I am sorry that you have not gotten efficient help to date.  I am praying that will happen soon.  I will also do what I can to get this information out.  If there is anyone in particular who you would like us to write to or correspond with, could you please let us know.  The Monkeys are great letter/email writers and we would be happy to assist you.

I know the only way to get help is to start by helping yourselves.  You appear to be a wonderful advocate for Amber and there is no better way to help her.  You have touched so many with stories of Amber and this investigation.

I applaud Amber's Mom for all that she is doing to help others who are in the same situation.  My thoughts and prayers are with you all, including the puppy.

God love you and protect Amber until she comes home at last.

Bearly

                          (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/hangingwithamonkey-1.jpg)





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: cookie on May 09, 2009, 08:51:05 PM
Ambers grandmom...

I can't even imagine what you or the rest of Amber's family are going through...As a grandmother myself, I think that the pain would be so overwhelming! You are doing what you can to keep the word out about Amber...The posters here  are trying to keep her name out there as well  by getting updates and clues on Amber...
She is a lovely girl and I hope that she is found soon...
God bless you and your family....and thank you for sharing with us....


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 09, 2009, 11:13:53 PM
Thank You Amber's Grandma.
 
I will do what ever I can to assist you.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 10, 2009, 11:48:18 AM
Important points from Ambers Grandmom. snipped from the above posted item. Not in original order.

 During the five days before she was taken, Amber and I exchanged over 70 text messages.  She was happy. 
Amber sent a text message to me before she left for school.

She left for school that day, as reported, with gifts for girlfriends and a check to pay for a lamb.

Two parents driving by the school, on a street with construction vehicles, on a rainy day said they saw Amber walking to school.

No Amber Alert has issued because no one saw where or when she was taken.

Fact, no one really knows when or where, between the house and the school, she was taken.

The report that she called another student on her way to school is incorrect.  Amber's phone is on my phone system and no such call was made.

She took her Ipod and her phone, but did not take the cords.

We know that Amber was taken by force. She is an intelligent girl.  She knows basic self defense. but she is not athletic and trying to run away would have been a futile act.




The Escondido Police Department retains the lead in the investigation.
The police take the position that people would have seen Amber if she was forced into a car or van.  It takes 17 seconds.
This is the most complex case they have ever had and they do NOT have the manpower, the experience or the modern equipment needed.

Unlike the police who admit to no experience....

 The FBI claims they have "agents with in-depth experience and a proven track record in crimes against children investigations, especially where a child has been abducted by someone other than family member."
The FBI, beyond initial interviews of family members, I personally know of nothing more that the FBI has been willing to do to find Amber.  The FBI has NOT EVEN put, at this writing, Amber's photo and ID on their "Kidnapping and Missing Persons Investigations" website.


Aldo Leopold describes the music of the wolf as an "outburst of wild defiant sorrow." 
I know that feeling now.
You try to maintain, and, then you are hit with an uncontrollable  sorrow that is almost more than one can survive.



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Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Rob on May 10, 2009, 11:58:15 AM
AMBER'S GRANDMOM - I have been reading along here and just don't even know what to think or say. I wish there was something I could do. I just don't know what that is.

Edward has been doing a terrific job and he updates the thread often.

Just know you have my thoughts and prayers that Amber is found very very soon.

Love,

Rob


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 10, 2009, 12:21:20 PM
Grandmom

We do research on missing persons cases ..
Members of this form have done vast amount of research on many cases over the years.
We have members from every professional walk of life.
We have a large membership. Some of these members stay up all night once motivated on a case.
Some of our members do or have done SAR work. I have been out on 3 searches in 4 years..

These 10 pages of info we have collected on your case are for purpose of research.

Within this web site and a few others there has been discussion on almost every subject about lost/missing/murdered/runaway/hiding/mental/medical. You name it and it has probably been done and is search able withing these web sites.
We are all volunteers.. We donate our time in research.
When I myself search I do it out of my own pocket.

There have been many articles on Amber and we have posted them.
Also some very interesting posts made by readers of those articles that were on the news report web sites which we copy and paste over here. Not because we have an opinion but for purpose of research.

We are on your side and have been since news came of your grand daughter missing.

I myself have been in contact with the F.B.I. San Diego while searching for Amber clues in your area. I came across another possible missing girls photo id posted on the Internet..
Researchers on this web site and BFN analyzed the photo found prior to F.B.I. being contacted..

I have also contacted you about possible leads in your case ..
There has never been a return email so I assume you got them..

Let me go over them... These are things to ask of police .. You Have To Bug Them.. mo.
It is all listed in this thread for amber, see that page numbers above..Please read every page.

Williams... He was arrested for the assault on a 16 year old... He is in jail..
Have you followed up on him ?

Prostitution ring noted in news media operating in Escondido when amber was taken .. Have you followed up on that ? 

Teen knifing of 14 year old.. Could Amber have enemies in school ? .. "Note we did just read the request by school to ask all kids " Good Job








Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 10, 2009, 07:27:03 PM
We have no idea where the cell phone was located when whomever tried to check messages.. ?

How many overnight trailerparks near where that cell phone was turned on ?
Or campgrounds close by that allow for 5th wheel trailers and do they have video survailliance for the dates in question.. ?


Some excellent research exists at various forums on Amber, some excellent questions being asked. As usual we are scattered but somehow still connected  ::MonkeyWink::

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: cookie on May 10, 2009, 08:21:25 PM
thanks Edward...for helping....xxxxxx


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 10, 2009, 09:36:36 PM
Thank You To All Monkeys..  ::MonkeyDance::
There are so many cases and I see fine people taking responsibility of research for ALL of them.
You ALL are wonderful people..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: akmom on May 11, 2009, 11:00:04 AM
I am Amber's maternal Grandmom.  Carrie and her sisters and I, work every single day and night to find Amber. On Wednesday, it will be three horrific months since she was taken from us.  Yet, no Amber Alert has issued because no one saw where or when she was taken.  Two parents driving by the school, on a street with construction vehicles, on a rainy day said they saw Amber walking to school.  Amber sent a text message to me before she left for school.  But, in fact, no one really knows when or where, between the house and the school, she was taken. The report that she called another student on her way to school is incorrect.  Amber's phone is on my phone system and no such call was made.

During the five days before she was taken, Amber and I exchanged over 70 text messages.  She was happy.  She left for school that day, as reported, with gifts for girlfriends and a check to pay for a lamb.  She took her Ipod and her phone, but did not take the cords...because she knew she would be home before they needed recharging. 

As she does each year, Amber spent Christmas holiday with me and her cousins.  It rained very hard and all 5 of us slopped through the mud at the stable to give Christmas carrots to the horses, Rojo and Sally.  Amber did not get to ride because of the weather and was looking forward to coming to my house to do so in February.  We had plans in June to go to Yellowstone to see the wolves, having followed the restoration  progress for several years. 

The Yellowstone newsletter arrived yesterday.  It uses the description by Aldo Leopold to describe the music of the wolf as an "outburst of wild defiant sorrow."  I know that feeling now. You try to maintain, and, then you are hit with an uncontrollable  sorrow that is almost more than one can survive.

We know that Amber was taken by force.  If someone walked next to her with a gun or a knife, she would have gone with them quietly in the hope of a later escape.  She is an intelligent girl.  She knows basic self defense, but she is not athletic and trying to run away would have been a futile act.  She may have been threatened...make a scene and I will see that your little sister is killed, or, I have a gun and if you don't come quietly, I will start shooting at all these students and you will be the cause of their death.   Criminals know how to frighten.

The police take the position that people would have seen Amber if she was forced into a car or van.  It takes 17 seconds.  She would have gone quietly under a death threat, particularly, if the person threatened to start shooting everyone around her---she knew about school shootings, as we all do, sadly.

The Escondido Police Department retains the lead in the investigation.  This is the most complex case they have ever had and they do NOT have the manpower, the experience or the modern equipment needed. They are trying, for the most part, but it is like trying to build a house with just an old fashion nail and hammer. To do the job, you need manpower, experience and the right tools.  And, while we watch TV and see great things done by the FBI, beyond initial interviews of family members, I personally know of nothing more that the FBI has been willing to do to find Amber.  The FBI has NOT EVEN put, at this writing, Amber's photo and ID on their "Kidnapping and Missing Persons Investigations" website.

Unlike the police who admit to no experience, the FBI claims they have "agents with in-depth experience and a proven track record in crimes against children investigations, especially where a child has been abducted by someone other than family member." [www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/cac/kidnap.htm] The police have now agreed to regularly meet with the family, the FBI does not participate or interface with the family at all. 

I have seen negative comments relating to why Amber gets media coverage.  It is because we work at it day and night.  Some nights, I am working on the computer asking for help until 3 a.m.  The volunteer groups that have helped us thus far have done so because of e-mails, and calls to them.  We have been blessed by others sending messages to our website offering specialized help.  None of this happens by magic. Maurice, Amber's Dad, takes the lead at the Search Center activity and with the press.  My daughters set up the website and manage it. We respond to the emails and send "tips" to the police when received. More importantly, we do the research relating getting help and to scientific advances...most of which neither the police nor the FBI have or know about. And, it takes hours every day.

Amber's Mom, Carrie, in addition to searching night and day for Amber, has started formal training for Search and Rescue (SAR) with a fast growing puppy. She is determined to be able to help others when they lose a child by responding with her soon to be well trained dog.  Carrie was inspired by the volunteers, particularly those from KlaasKids,  who were the first responders to our pleas for help.  We needed to get immediate help with trained dogs, but were told by the police that "it takes time" to get the dogs, when, in truth, time was something no one has when their child is missing. Carrie wants to be there when the next child goes missing. 

You are likely aware of spy satellite surveillance.  NASA will take requests for help for missing children but only from police agencies.  It took weeks to get EPD to actually contact NASA even though I provided the information and an example of the evidence NASA had provided in other missing children cases.  Ultimately, NASA had nothing which would help us. Satellites are sun-synchronous for images so they are taken at local time around 10:30 a.m., too late for us.

Subsequently, we have been working for the past weeks on what we call  "Eye on Amber" and I would like to ask for your help with this. We have contacted all the commercial (vs spy) companies we can find to ask if they had any aerial cameras operating in the Escondido area on February 13, 2009. It is like the needle in the haystack--the chances of finding someone in the air doing photography at between 7:00 a.m. -7:30 a.m. But, we must keep trying.

We have an expert on forensic aerial photography (forensic aerial photogrammertry and forensic aerial photointerpretation) available to analyze any photos we can locate to determine what ACTUALLY happened to Amber. 

Also, if you are a student, the parent of a student, a teacher, or anyone who worked at EHS and used a phone camera or camera ANYWHERE on the campus before school started on Feb. 13, 2009, please send us the photos.

If you can help us, or, if you know of anyone who can, please contact our website www. BringAmberHome.com .

Second request.  This is so hard to say.  If you see any place within a 20 mile radius of the Escondido High School where the earth has been dislodged, or changed by digging, please take a photo of the area and send that information with the location to us.
We are also asking for current aerial photographs for analysis as well. Previous drone photographs were undistinguished.

Though we do not want to consider the possibility that Amber may no longer be alive, we must force ourselves to do so even as we continue our search.  If she is dead,  the family needs to know and to provide a proper burial for her.  If you see something suspicious, please let us know.   

The rewards for information are fully funded and in the bank. Reward information can be obtained by calling 1-562 360-5162.  This is a new number and is posted on the web site as well.  If Amber is dead, there is a reward of $10,000.00 for the location of her burial. This has not been publicized before.  Please get this information out there for us. 

Thank you for caring about Amber and for your prayers.

Grandmom
 


I just wanted to welcome you and let you know that Amber has been in my thoughts and prayers.  I hope there is some news soon.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on May 11, 2009, 11:02:37 PM
Dear Amber's Grandmom,

I want you to know that I continue to think about and pray for Amber every single day. Your letter was extremely moving and I am so sorry you and your family are going through this horrible pain. The fact that you and Amber communicated so often really touched me. How many teenagers are sweet and thoughtful enough to maintain such a line of communication? My guess is not so many and Amber was special that way. I think about her heading to school with her Valentine gifts for her friends. Amber, the giver. The kind hearted.

I would like to know if there is an inhanced picture of the truck that was shown in the video and is of interest? I keep my eyes peeled looking at every maroon truck I see when I am out in the area.  I would really like to know what characteristics I am looking for. I think they said..altered or missing tailgate? Is there any more information you can share with us? I wish there was something else I could do. May God guide and comfort you and your family.
Sincerely, Shell







Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 12, 2009, 12:28:22 AM

Ambers Grandmom
  I want you to know that my heart breaks for you and the entire family. We live not very far from where Amber was last seen. My daughter and I have attempted to find out info on searches in the area on the weekends and didn't have good success with accurate info from Escondido police.  I should have known to check in the forum here but I didn't. Now that I know there is an updated thread here, we will definately want to help. If there is anything that we can do please post the location , time date etc.  My daughter's husband and their family have off road type vehicles (quads, minibikes)  and all of those guys would probably help too.  I'm sorry that we didn't try harder earlier but frankly EPD wasn't very "up" on what was going on and where to find out.  I'll check in here everyday from now on.

Please know that our prayers are with all of you and we want Amber to come home to her loving family.
  janet


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Anna on May 12, 2009, 01:58:34 AM
My thoughts and prayers for those caught up in this tragedy.

I read often and am following along even though I have nothing to contribute other than my prayers, I do have those.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Ampersand on May 12, 2009, 12:49:26 PM
Dear Amber's Grandmom,

I want you to know that I continue to think about and pray for Amber every single day. Your letter was extremely moving and I am so sorry you and your family are going through this horrible pain. The fact that you and Amber communicated so often really touched me. How many teenagers are sweet and thoughtful enough to maintain such a line of communication? My guess is not so many and Amber was special that way. I think about her heading to school with her Valentine gifts for her friends. Amber, the giver. The kind hearted.

I would like to know if there is an inhanced picture of the truck that was shown in the video and is of interest? I keep my eyes peeled looking at every maroon truck I see when I am out in the area.  I would really like to know what characteristics I am looking for. I think they said..altered or missing tailgate? Is there any more information you can share with us? I wish there was something else I could do. May God guide and comfort you and your family.
Sincerely, Shell


Shell -

Amber is truly a special girl in so many ways - just one of which is her closeness with her Grandmom!  We, as a family, are working on obtaining more information on this vehicle of interest - as I'm sure LE is as well.  We will keep you updated - in every way we can - as our search for Amber will continue until she is home safely.  Thank you all so much for your interest, effort and support.

Amber's Aunt

Lisa


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 12, 2009, 12:52:36 PM

Ambers Grandmom
  I want you to know that my heart breaks for you and the entire family. We live not very far from where Amber was last seen. My daughter and I have attempted to find out info on searches in the area on the weekends and didn't have good success with accurate info from Escondido police.  I should have known to check in the forum here but I didn't. Now that I know there is an updated thread here, we will definately want to help. If there is anything that we can do please post the location , time date etc.  My daughter's husband and their family have off road type vehicles (quads, minibikes)  and all of those guys would probably help too.  I'm sorry that we didn't try harder earlier but frankly EPD wasn't very "up" on what was going on and where to find out.  I'll check in here everyday from now on.

Please know that our prayers are with all of you and we want Amber to come home to her loving family.
  janet

Hi Janet -

We have had and will continue to have organized searches every weekend until our Amber is home safely - please refer to www.BringAmberHome.com for continued information regarding searches and other events.  Thank you so much!

Amber's Aunt

Lisa


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 12, 2009, 12:54:10 PM
My thoughts and prayers for those caught up in this tragedy.

I read often and am following along even though I have nothing to contribute other than my prayers, I do have those.



Each and every prayer, good thought and hopeful word is greatly appreciated by all of Amber's family and friends.  Thank you!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 12, 2009, 01:24:57 PM
WebSleuths has also been doing some good research and one of its members has also done some nice work with the truck image and comparrisons..
That member did say he/she had forwarded them onto ambers family..

Also that member noted a vehicle in sacramento area of california "Auburn" Where a red picup was noted in a police report and its occupant a whaite male who tried to abduct a 16 year old girl..

The tailgate missing indicating a possible 5th wheel..as maybe this person travels and stays in parks..

Also the williams character was in a stolen vehicle... Was there any red trucks listed with police from san diego as being stolen in and around that time..
One of my main reasons for focus on Williams is his early morning attack on the 16 year old girl.. As well as his insisting his face not be shown on court cameras..
He was found and arrested in san diego but he attacked the girl in El Cajon.

A list of stolen vehicles at that time would be nice.. recovered red pick ups would be better.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 12, 2009, 01:26:04 PM
Nuts..I forgot to spell check that..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Ampersand on May 12, 2009, 01:41:00 PM
WebSleuths has also been doing some good research and one of its members has also done some nice work with the truck image and comparrisons..
That member did say he/she had forwarded them onto ambers family..

Also that member noted a vehicle in sacramento area of california "Auburn" Where a red picup was noted in a police report and its occupant a whaite male who tried to abduct a 16 year old girl..

The tailgate missing indicating a possible 5th wheel..as maybe this person travels and stays in parks..

Also the williams character was in a stolen vehicle... Was there any red trucks listed with police from san diego as being stolen in and around that time..
One of my main reasons for focus on Williams is his early morning attack on the 16 year old girl.. As well as his insisting his face not be shown on court cameras..
He was found and arrested in san diego but he attacked the girl in El Cajon.

A list of stolen vehicles at that time would be nice.. recovered red pick ups would be better.

Very true - WebSleuths have done excellent work!  We forward any tips received to LE.  I don't personally have data on stolen vehicles similar to the one of interest - one would think that it is being investigated.  We can leave no stone unturned in our search for Amber and all of the Missing.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 12, 2009, 01:53:42 PM
There has been a lot of missing people over the years.. I have seen great detectives and lost detectives..
Make your own case file.. Make it better and more organized then anything the police own..Ask questions of police and demand answers.
Be willing to go out of your way to get what info you can without putting yourself in danger or by breaking any laws to get the info..
If you are hoping they are looking into something, you may be very disappointed to find out they have not.

I hope and pray you find something soon..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 12, 2009, 02:24:06 PM
The 3 psychics lead us to consider that there is some very organized group involved..
So does Brian's Predictions.. He is so all over the place I do not know what to think of his predictions..
As far as psychics I have always and only trusted Annette Martin. She lives and works in my area and I have witness results to the surprise of detectives..

http://www.annette-martin.com/ ..Annette is very real and very low profile..

She is in the same office as Silvia Browne.. 3

Interesting fact..
Both of them enjoy and are quite successful at finding animals..
Not everyone's believes in this but when you need direction I will take any info I can get.

Annette called out Natalee in the ocean within 2 weeks of Natalee Holloway .. Years later it turns out to be true.. Or so we think. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on May 12, 2009, 03:13:03 PM
Welcome Ambers Grandmom & Ambersand to Scared Monkeys.  I am elated that you are here.  You all, as well as Amber, have been in my daily prayers.  God bless you and God bless Amber.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 12, 2009, 06:53:16 PM
It has been three long months and we need you to

(http://blogs.phillyburbs.com/news/bct/wp-content/blogs.dir/3/files/2008/_09/wk_of_09.28/0929_candlelight.jpg)

Please Join Us for a
 
Candlelight Vigil to
Light Amber's Way Home
7pm  Wednesday, May 13, 2009
 
Escondido High School, Escondido, CA
www.BringAmberHome.com


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 12, 2009, 07:14:55 PM
Can we light a candle for Amber Please.. That way people from all around can join in.
God Please Bless this family with an answer..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 12, 2009, 07:49:46 PM
Those who cannot be at the vigil may light a candle here:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Amber


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 12, 2009, 09:40:04 PM
Thank ou very much 2NJSons_Mom for arranging for the Candles.. You are so very kind.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: pink angel on May 12, 2009, 10:13:04 PM
The 3 psychics lead us to consider that there is some very organized group involved..
So does Brian's Predictions.. He is so all over the place I do not know what to think of his predictions..
As far as psychics I have always and only trusted Annette Martin. She lives and works in my area and I have witness results to the surprise of detectives..

http://www.annette-martin.com/ ..Annette is very real and very low profile..

She is in the same office as Silvia Browne.. 3

Interesting fact..
Both of them enjoy and are quite successful at finding animals..
Not everyone's believes in this but when you need direction I will take any info I can get.

Annette called out Natalee in the ocean within 2 weeks of Natalee Holloway .. Years later it turns out to be true.. Or so we think. ::MonkeyWink::

Brian and Gale St John are both frauds. Just google their names to find that out. They are all about the money/donations.

I hate when people take advantage of other's people grief.

I am keeping Amber and her family in my prayers.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 12, 2009, 10:42:53 PM
I also dislike anyone who tries to take advantage of anyone.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: klaasend on May 12, 2009, 11:35:29 PM
Those who cannot be at the vigil may light a candle here:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Amber


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 13, 2009, 03:20:18 AM
Those who cannot be at the vigil may light a candle here:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Amber

Thanks, Sweetie, what time is this in ET so we can all join in together here?

I cannot get into the website.  Anyone else having trouble?



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 13, 2009, 11:13:41 AM
Those who cannot be at the vigil may light a candle here:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Amber

Thanks, Sweetie, what time is this in ET so we can all join in together here?

I cannot get into the website.  Anyone else having trouble?



The vigil is at 7pm PT, so it would be 10pm ET.  I can get into both Amber's and the gratefulness candle website. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 13, 2009, 01:32:02 PM
Those who cannot be at the vigil may light a candle here:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Amber

2NJSons -

This is just wonderful - thank you - thank you - thank you!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 13, 2009, 02:32:59 PM
(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2009/05/12/amberlede_t350.jpg)
Some searchers fanned out north of Escondido on Saturday to look for 14-year-old Amber Dubois. Thirty to 40 people a day are involved in searches, compared with up to 200 during the first weeks since Amber's disappearance.


ESCONDIDO — As public attention about missing Escondido teenager Amber Dubois wanes, her family's angst grows and their faith in the police investigation diminishes.
Three months ago today, the 14-year-old disappeared. Two days ago, her mother, Carrie McGonigle, e-mailed Escondido Police Chief Jim Maher. She asked him to bring in an outside team of missing-children experts to review the 12 to 15 binders of information accumulated in the investigation thus far.
“I want the experts to go through the case from the beginning to see what the police have missed,” McGonigle said. “There was stuff they didn't touch, things they didn't do, mistakes they made.”
She said the department, which is down 11 officers because of Escondido's budget crisis, had to ask staff members of the Alexandria, Va.-based National Center for Missing & Exploited Children to help type transcripts on Amber's case into a computer.
Members of the center's staff were in Escondido during the first few weeks of Amber's disappearance to help police search for her.
“Are they reading back through all the transcripts?” McGonigle asked. “I feel they haven't even had a chance to go back through the case all the way through, and they are not experts on missing children.”
Yesterday, Escondido Police Lt. Craig Carter said he will meet with McGonigle this morning to discuss her concerns.
“The Dubois case is a high-priority case for us,” Carter said. “I can understand why she may have frustrations. We'll have a quick coffee. Anything she thinks we have not covered, we will address it.”
The police will hold a news conference at 7 p.m. today at a candlelight vigil for Amber outside her school, Escondido High, at 1535 N. Broadway.
Police have received hundreds of tips. About 200 concerned a maroon or burgundy pickup recorded by a surveillance camera near Escondido High on Feb. 13, around the time Amber disappeared while headed to school. The tips have not led to any suspects.
Police also have been alerted to numerous possible sightings of the teen. For some of them, investigators viewed surveillance tapes, Carter said, but none has panned out.
Police have issued more than 60 search warrants to owners of computers, servers and Web sites that were involved in Amber's Internet use, said her father, Maurice Dubois. Carter said he was not certain how many search warrants have been filed.
Information that was disseminated nationwide by the national missing children's center also has not resulted in anything significant, center President Ernie Allen said.
In the meantime, donated Amber Dubois billboards on Interstate 8 and state Route 163 have been removed.
The number of volunteers searching for her on weekends in and around Escondido has dwindled from more than 200 during the first three weeks after she was reported missing to 30 to 40 a day now.
“I'm absolutely concerned,” McGonigle said. “I know things die down.”
McGonigle, who has a younger daughter, said she couldn't make it to the search center Saturday because she was grief-stricken about Amber's absence on Mother's Day weekend.
The mood among the volunteers that day was a little more upbeat.
Scott Pfaucht, 40, of Escondido, led a group up a small hill in north Escondido searching for clues. They found nothing, but pressed ahead.
“Children have been missing for years, and people have found them alive,” said volunteer Leora Slocum. “I'm hopeful she's alive – until we find out differently.”
Even if the searches have come up empty, Amber's disappearance has focused attention on missing children, San Diego Police Detective Gary Hassen said.
“It heightens the attention of everybody – law enforcement, schools – for everybody, for kids,” he said.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/may/13/1m13amber231415-vigil-will-mark-3-months-teen-went/?northcounty&zIndex=98388



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 13, 2009, 02:35:50 PM
Amber Dubois' Family Wants Outside Investigators Brought In

ESCONDIDO - Friends and family of missing Escondido teenager Amber Dubois were expected to hold a candlelight vigil Wednesday night to mark the three- month anniversary of her disappearance.

The 14-year-old was last seen walking to Escondido High School the morning of Feb. 13. Since then, Escondido police said they have received hundreds of tips in the case but none have panned out.

Many of those tips involved an unaccounted-for reddish full-sized pickup truck seen on surveillance video in a maintenance yard at Escondido High around the time Dubois went missing.

Numerous searches involving hundreds of volunteers have taken place -- with no success. In the first three weekends following the disappearance, more than 200 volunteers searched for Dubois in and around Escondido. Since then, the number of searchers has dwindled to about 30 to 40 volunteers.

Police said Dubois is an exemplary student with no history of running away from home. In the week leading to her disappearance, Dubois was more active than usual in online chats, according to police, who have issued several dozen search warrants for computers, servers and Web sites but have not reported finding anything significant.

Earlier this week, Amber's mother, Carrie McGonigle, e-mailed Escondido Police Chief Jim Maher, asking him to bring in an outside team of missing- children experts to review the 12 to 15 binders of information accumulated in the investigation, The San Diego Union-Tribune reported.

"I want the experts to go through the case from the beginning to see what the police have missed," McGonigle told the newspaper. "There was stuff they didn't touch, things they didn't do, mistakes they made."

There is a $55,000 reward for anyone with information leading to Dubois' safe return and an additional $10,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of anyone responsible for her disappearance.

Tuesday night's vigil is scheduled to start at 7:00 outside Escondido High School, 1535 N. Broadway.

San Diego 6 - May 13


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 13, 2009, 02:41:52 PM
Earlier this week, Amber's mother, Carrie McGonigle, e-mailed Escondido Police Chief Jim Maher, asking him to bring in an outside team of missing- children experts to review the 12 to 15 binders of information accumulated in the investigation, The San Diego Union-Tribune reported.

"I want the experts to go through the case from the beginning to see what the police have missed," McGonigle told the newspaper. "There was stuff they didn't touch, things they didn't do, mistakes they made."


You have the whip now ..  ::MonkeyWink::
It will make them pay attention to this case..
Its Tough Love, Good Job on the Families part.
jmho   


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 13, 2009, 03:05:01 PM
Those who cannot be at the vigil may light a candle here:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Amber

2NJSons -

This is just wonderful - thank you - thank you - thank you!

bump


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 13, 2009, 04:40:59 PM
Those who cannot be at the vigil may light a candle here:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Amber

2NJSons -

This is just wonderful - thank you - thank you - thank you!

bump

Edward - I'm new at this - can you explain "bump"?  Thanks!

2NJSons - I've forwarded the candle link to everyone who has written in to Amber's website - thank you again.  Lisa


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 13, 2009, 05:24:39 PM
Bump..
That just means I am bringing your post forward so that others may read it first..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 13, 2009, 05:37:01 PM
I got your email..

Although I live in Monterey it is still quite a drive to Escondido..
So I hope my virtual Candle will show you all we are thinking of you..

Your Amber reminds me so much of my youngest daughter .. same age, freckles, horses and all. She asks me each night if Amber has been found yet.. 
We in our family have you in our thoughts of prayers each night and every day.

I hope you have contacted Trinity search and rescue.. Mike. He is a good guy..




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 14, 2009, 12:16:27 PM
Those who cannot be at the vigil may light a candle here:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Amber

2NJSons -

This is just wonderful - thank you - thank you - thank you!

bump

Edward - I'm new at this - can you explain "bump"?  Thanks!

2NJSons - I've forwarded the candle link to everyone who has written in to Amber's website - thank you again.  Lisa

Glad to help in the smallest way, Lisa.  Great idea to forward the link.  May strength in numbers help answer your prayers.     ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 14, 2009, 02:54:43 PM
4 pages of candles  ::MonkeyDance::
That is wonderful.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 14, 2009, 03:15:08 PM
(http://www.bigcatdesigns.com/amber/index.2.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on May 14, 2009, 03:19:08 PM
I love that picture of Amber, she looks so young and beautiful.  She looks like someone surprised her with the picture and she's half p.o'd but smiling at the same time.  I hope she comes home soon to play her DS.  Prayers for Amber and her family!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 14, 2009, 03:40:54 PM
ESCONDIDO – About 50 people gathered in front of Escondido High School on Wednesday night to pray for the safe return of Amber Dubois and to ask everyone to help find the missing 14-year old girl.
Amber disappeared Feb. 13, three months ago Wednesday, while walking to school shortly after 7 a.m.

Despite nearly a thousand tips and an extensive investigation, police appear to be no closer to finding out what happened to Amber, who continues to be classified by law enforcement as a missing juvenile – not a runaway and not necessarily a victim of abduction.  ::MonkeyEek::

“These have been very difficult days for us,” said Amber's father, Maurice Dubois.
“We need this out nationwide,” said her mother, Carrie McGonigle. “Amber could be anywhere in this world.” 

Some in the crowd held signs reading, “Escondido Police Have You Done Enough?” and “What if it were your kid?”

Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter said he understood the frustration those closest to Amber feel. But he defended his department and said the case has been a high priority since it began.
“We have had a large group of people working on this,” Carter said. “We have the resources available. If you bring in more leads we will look into them.

“We would certainly like to have a solid lead, a person of interest, a location,” he said. “And we're missing that.”

After meeting with the Amber's parents Wednesday morning for two hours, police decided to invite the FBI and the nonprofit National Center for Missing & Exploited Children to review about 15 binders of documents.  ::MonkeyDance::
“It makes sense; we have no issue with that,” Carter said. “We will reach out to both those agencies.”

Carter said he hopes the review will be finished in the next few weeks. Both the FBI and the national center have been involved in the search for Amber since the early stages, he said, but police are hoping they might find something that may have been overlooked.
 
Amber's parents have maintained that their daughter wouldn't have run away, and that it is completely out of character for her not to have checked in.

Every possible sighting of Amber has been investigated, Carter said, and the family's computers have been examined to see if Amber may have been in contact with a predator. “As a result of the (computer) search there is nothing alarming for us. We're not focusing on it,” he said.
Police have also been working with Mexican officials on the chance that Amber was abducted and taken south of the border, Carter said. However, nothing has come of that either.

Following the brief news conference in front of the school the crowd gathered in a circle with lit candles in their hands and prayed.
 
To report information related to the case, call (760) 743-8477.

I called them again about William.. I am not sure they looked at him..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 14, 2009, 03:44:52 PM
Just like her mom stated..
She could be anywhere in the world..

The world needs to be aware and Nobody should give up looking for any missing child.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 14, 2009, 04:57:01 PM
4 pages of candles  ::MonkeyDance::
That is wonderful.

5 pages now - from 7 countries!   ::cartwheel::

It's wonderful and so very touching . . .


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 14, 2009, 05:00:23 PM
(http://www.bigcatdesigns.com/amber/index.2.jpg)

Just after Christmas 2008 - visiting Grandmom - wearing her favorite of Grandmom's flannel robes . . . ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 14, 2009, 05:01:13 PM
Just like her mom stated..
She could be anywhere in the world..

The world needs to be aware and Nobody should give up looking for any missing child.


Amen


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 14, 2009, 05:13:11 PM
What ever happened with the 3 psychic ladies and there common thoughts?
Did police get anything from that ?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 14, 2009, 05:34:02 PM
What ever happened with the 3 psychic ladies and there common thoughts?
Did police get anything from that ?

Not that I am aware of - but if anything arises that I'm able to divulge - I will.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 14, 2009, 05:41:52 PM
Can you show the normal pattern that Amber walks to school on a map ?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 14, 2009, 06:44:07 PM
Can you show the normal pattern that Amber walks to school on a map ?

This is what is understood to be Amber's usual route.  "Eyewitnesses" have reported that Amber was last seen walking on the "school side" of Broadway - which means she would've crossed the street at Vista.  The truth is she could have been taken along any point of this route - IMHO


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 14, 2009, 07:26:43 PM
Thank You very much... Ampersand

That is a very short walk..

But now I can take that to google earth and map-quest with images and look around..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: MuffyBee on May 14, 2009, 07:29:46 PM
Those who cannot be at the vigil may light a candle here:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Amber



Lighting a candle for Amber Leeanne.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 14, 2009, 08:18:47 PM
Well after 4 attempts I must say my computer at work is garbage.. ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink::
I will have to do this on google earth when I get home, But I can see where there are a couple of places during this walk to school where she could have been approached on vista without anybody paying attention..A field and a business parking lot where the culprit could have been sitting in his car in wait.. or just drove up next to her and pointed a weapon at her and told her to get in his car.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 14, 2009, 10:49:41 PM
Those who cannot be at the vigil may light a candle here:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Amber



Lighting a candle for Amber Leeanne.

I have these candles glowing on my screen when as often as I can - thank you.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 14, 2009, 10:50:51 PM
Well after 4 attempts I must say my computer at work is garbage.. ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink::
I will have to do this on google earth when I get home, But I can see where there are a couple of places during this walk to school where she could have been approached on vista without anybody paying attention..A field and a business parking lot where the culprit could have been sitting in his car in wait.. or just drove up next to her and pointed a weapon at her and told her to get in his car.

Better luck at home.  Believe me, I understand your frustration.  Let me know if you see something we may have overlooked.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 14, 2009, 11:37:40 PM
I hope you understand, I do not think any of you have overlooked anything..  ::MonkeyCool::
We are completely on your side..
 You do live in Escondido and WE do not, and I am just trying to get a perspective for all of us so that we can begin to understand what YOU already know all to well. Your streets and town are common to you but many of our members, me included have never been to Escandido.
One thing I am positive of ..
 Some creep was able to get a hold on Amber without anyone seeing it. Having some idea WHERE that may have occurred gives all of us a starting point. I just happened to notice the Business and the playing field with parking lots on both sides of the street..

This is a possible place for an abduction. I am looking at it from the perspective that the other witness who claims to have seen amber may have been incorrect. A rain day, construction trucks that should have construction people near and a very busy street that the high school is located on leads me to consider that the witness MAY have been mistaken.
This photo is of that area on Vista drive... Amber would have to walk through this area to get to the high school..
Amber is 14.. Does the high school run from 8th grade to 12th grade ?





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 14, 2009, 11:53:04 PM
In the abve photo on the right side is actually a school parking lot .. What is the name of that school ?
There should have been plenty of people at that school ?



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 15, 2009, 12:58:06 AM

Ambers Grandmom
  I want you to know that my heart breaks for you and the entire family. We live not very far from where Amber was last seen. My daughter and I have attempted to find out info on searches in the area on the weekends and didn't have good success with accurate info from Escondido police.  I should have known to check in the forum here but I didn't. Now that I know there is an updated thread here, we will definately want to help. If there is anything that we can do please post the location , time date etc.  My daughter's husband and their family have off road type vehicles (quads, minibikes)  and all of those guys would probably help too.  I'm sorry that we didn't try harder earlier but frankly EPD wasn't very "up" on what was going on and where to find out.  I'll check in here everyday from now on.

Please know that our prayers are with all of you and we want Amber to come home to her loving family.
  janet

Hi Janet -

We have had and will continue to have organized searches every weekend until our Amber is home safely - please refer to www.BringAmberHome.com for continued information regarding searches and other events.  Thank you so much!

Amber's Aunt

Lisa

   Lisa          so very glad to that Amber has so many that love her. The web site is great and will be at the center to help next weekend. My daughter and her husband are going out of town this weekend and I'll be watching the little guys, so we're anxious to help. Good luck this weekend, prayers for Amber's return.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 15, 2009, 10:55:15 AM
Areas of intrest.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 15, 2009, 11:00:35 AM
Amber would have to walk past entry to bus yard to get to school.. Or walk down the bus yard access driveway to go to animal area.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on May 15, 2009, 11:35:02 AM
Thank you Edward for the maps.  I waited to post incase you had more, I didn't want to get in the middle.  Can you get an estimated spot of the Burgandy truck?  Would the truck have to exit onto N. Broadway or is there an alternate exit?  And also, where was Amber last seen and which direction was she headed.  (I tried to read back and find, I really did!)

TIA, Lovin



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 15, 2009, 12:53:46 PM
The bus yard is where the burgundy/red truck was on surveillance video..
Where exactly in that parking lot I am not sure.. BUT In that video the Burgundy/red truck is first seen backing up a long distance before going forward and then parking facing the bus maintenance yard, where we see a man walking around.. Also the small white car that comes into the bus parking yard..
WHY was the pickup backing up like that ?? then drives forward and parks.. Like he was trying to get something under control while he was parked out of view of others ??
Like trying to get Amber under control ??

One of the posters at web sleuths has some very good still images of the white car and the man walking in the bus yard. I know he/said said the images were sent to the family, I do not think it would be polite of me to bring the images over here without that posters permission.

That white car may have seen the occupant of the burgundy/red pick up and the man walking appears to be behind the bus and may not have had any view of the pickup in question.
The area appears to be very busy..

One thought I had is IF Amber went to the animal yard before going to school, it appears she would have to walk through this bus area parking lot to get to the animal area. The spot behind the baseball stadium looks to be a vulnerable spot for her if that was so.
The main street looks very busy with houses across the street and possible many people walking to school..
 
So that leaves 2 possible locations for somebody to approach amber and threaten her to get into a vehicle. One on Vista, although that also appears to be a school.. and the other location near the animal area.. Both spots could be out of view of others under the correct circumstances..

I do believe somebody has seen something.. The white car..The houses across the street.. the parking lots on vista Dr. There must be some sort of witness who has not considered what they witnessed as having something to do with this case yet. I pray they come to some sort of awareness to what they may have seen and call it into police. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 15, 2009, 01:29:56 PM
El Cajon Police Records Division
http://www.elcajonpolice.org/faq/records_reports.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 15, 2009, 02:10:22 PM
I have been trying to monitor stolen vehicle reports from San Diego to San Bernadino. As well as any attempted abductions or assults on Minors..

This was back on march 25 2009..

Parents in the Poway Unified School District are on the lookout for a suspicious white van. The van was seen recently stalking a first grader and a seventh grader.

Sabre Springs resident Brett Hanavan keeps track of crime in his area through a neighborhood watch email string. Recently he started to see a pattern.

"Seems like there's been some similar situations with a white van - the same details, the same suspicious nature," Hanavan said.

Two recent incidents involving a white Ford van with three Hispanic men inside happened in Torrey Highlands. On March 12, the mother of a seven-year-old girl dropped off by a school bus near Torrey Meadows Drive and Torrey Santa Fe Road reported the white van following her daughter.

"The van was noticed by one of the moms. The kid escaped to the mom, and the van took off allegedly ran a red light in doing so," Hanavan said.

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=10072355

It is not the Red pick up truck, but 3 months ago there was talk of the white van and the article and ALL the user comments are interesting and educational to read and be aware of..
jmho

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 15, 2009, 02:12:40 PM
Child stalking and abduction incidents.. San Diego area..
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=107792725227373756468.000465d184cb91081a7fd&ll=32.965179,-117.108765&spn=0.143448,0.219727&z=12





Edward's personal edit button


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 15, 2009, 02:15:48 PM
Is it that I do not know how to spell or is it that my big fingers keep hitting the wrong keys..
I will let you decide ... ::MonkeyWink::

Why can't I have a edit button for my posts on this forum ?  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::




Look up  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 15, 2009, 02:16:31 PM
I hope you understand, I do not think any of you have overlooked anything..  ::MonkeyCool::
We are completely on your side..
 You do live in Escondido and WE do not, and I am just trying to get a perspective for all of us so that we can begin to understand what YOU already know all to well. Your streets and town are common to you but many of our members, me included have never been to Escandido.
One thing I am positive of ..
 Some creep was able to get a hold on Amber without anyone seeing it. Having some idea WHERE that may have occurred gives all of us a starting point. I just happened to notice the Business and the playing field with parking lots on both sides of the street..

This is a possible place for an abduction. I am looking at it from the perspective that the other witness who claims to have seen amber may have been incorrect. A rain day, construction trucks that should have construction people near and a very busy street that the high school is located on leads me to consider that the witness MAY have been mistaken.
This photo is of that area on Vista drive... Amber would have to walk through this area to get to the high school..
Amber is 14.. Does the high school run from 8th grade to 12th grade ?


Don't get me wrong - we appreciate fresh eyes and perspectives looking at everything!   ::MonkeyCool::  Personally, I have not lived in Escondido for years - I am in Orange County
I concur with your observation that the witnesses may have been mistaken, not only was it busy and rainy - Amber was wearing a hoodie and more likely than not - may have had the hood on due to the precipitation - we don't know.  EHS is 9-12 I believe - Amber is in 9th grade.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 15, 2009, 02:17:15 PM
A historical crime blotter..

http://www.cbs8.com/global/category.asp?c=154776


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 15, 2009, 02:21:33 PM
Is it that I do not know how to spell or is it that my big fingers keep hitting the wrong keys..
I will let you decide ... ::MonkeyWink::

Why can't I have a edit button for my posts on this forum ?  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Information provided is far more important than the spelling/typos!!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 15, 2009, 02:22:04 PM
Thank You Ampersand I did not want to offend you or the family at all..

If you see anything posted that you do not want posted please ask a moderator to delete it. I will take no offense to that if you do.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 15, 2009, 02:35:51 PM
Anyone who thinks this does not happen..It does.. It may not have happened in thsi case.. But it does happen..
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=10249459


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on May 15, 2009, 03:05:38 PM
Anyone who thinks this does not happen..It does.. It may not have happened in this case.. But it does happen..
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=10249459

Edward...
Thanks for the maps.  I have been wondering about any shortcuts to school Amber might take.  Just thinking that walking all the way around the block is not the way I (back in the olden days) would have gone.  We always took the main street a block, then an alley, then the back and side yard of a couple who would shout at us.  So I wondered if there was some impediment to cutting through the block?   

Also, I was wondering if there is a realtors' map of vacant houses in a say 5 mile radius. 
each one should be entered and searched.   It seems possible that the school witnesses may be remembering another day, or missing the identification.   Probably the family has this covered, but better to ask.   Perhaps some local Realtors could be of assistance. 



To Amber's family:
   You are doing a fantastic job.  Wish I could be there in person to search. 





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 15, 2009, 03:32:08 PM
In the abve photo on the right side is actually a school parking lot .. What is the name of that school ?
There should have been plenty of people at that school ?


I don't recall the exact name of the school on Vista - I know it's an elementary school that did not have any video surveillance equipment - we will reconfirm with LE the extent of their investigation for any possible witnesses at that location the morning of Amber's disappearance.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 15, 2009, 03:36:21 PM
Anyone who thinks this does not happen..It does.. It may not have happened in this case.. But it does happen..
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=10249459

Edward...
Thanks for the maps.  I have been wondering about any shortcuts to school Amber might take.  Just thinking that walking all the way around the block is not the way I (back in the olden days) would have gone.  We always took the main street a block, then an alley, then the back and side yard of a couple who would shout at us.  So I wondered if there was some impediment to cutting through the block?   

Also, I was wondering if there is a realtors' map of vacant houses in a say 5 mile radius. 
each one should be entered and searched.   It seems possible that the school witnesses may be remembering another day, or missing the identification.   Probably the family has this covered, but better to ask.   Perhaps some local Realtors could be of assistance. 



To Amber's family:
   You are doing a fantastic job.  Wish I could be there in person to search. 


Thanks Chi -

As far as shortcuts - I'm with you - as a kid I never took a direct and obvious route - shortcuts were much better!  This is Amber's first year at this school - and it's not the neighborhood she grew up in - so I would suspect that she did not take shortcuts to the school - but there's always a chance that I'm wrong.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 15, 2009, 03:39:34 PM
Some good ideas chi-monkey .. I have looked for short cuts..
Like if she cut across the parking lot on the south corner of Vista and Broadway..Maybe the perp was Parked in that parking lot.?
 The perp may not know that area well and drove into the bus parking area by mistake..? He may have parked for the moment in the bus lot to get her under control.. Then he leaves..

Convenience store and Gas station video and traffic light surveillance videos from that date 20 miles in every direction.. I know that is a big task..But that should have happened 3 months ago.. Many of those videos do not exist today.


Here is something very interesting..From San Diego..A crime report site..Go to the bottom of the page and use the INTERACTIVE mapping application..
You have to play with it but you can get a map with just about any kind of crime committed in the area of San Diego and surrounding like El Cajon and Escondido.

http://www.sandiego.gov/police/stats/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 15, 2009, 03:57:30 PM
This parking lot short cut..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 15, 2009, 03:58:51 PM
The black line represents the vaunerable zones. Where it COULD have happened. Showing the short cut across the parking lot.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 15, 2009, 04:06:00 PM
I mean POSSIBLE shortcut as I have not stood there yet, to see if that is possible..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 15, 2009, 04:19:44 PM
I mean POSSIBLE shortcut as I have not stood there yet, to see if that is possible..

I came up with a similar (or the same) shortcut possiblity - using google map street view to rule out visibly fenced in areas.  It appears that there is access thru the church parking lot. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 15, 2009, 04:21:24 PM
And my route marks did not show up in the pic I posted - swell - sorry about that. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 15, 2009, 04:28:07 PM
I see, if she cuts through the parking lot and crosses with no intersection she still has a few hundred yards to walk before arriving at the Bus parking lot driveway. Walking along on the west side of Broadway, which appears to be a very busy street.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 15, 2009, 04:32:04 PM
I was having a heck of a time with those markers myself..
Google is not all it was Googled up to be..  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 15, 2009, 04:35:46 PM
This parking lot short cut..


I made a huge mistake in mapping out the route - it's much longer - the area I marked as EHS is actually a residential area.  Here is a corrected map.  That's what I get for trying to multitask at work!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 15, 2009, 04:36:24 PM
If she was walking in the middle of the church parking lot early A.M.
It is very possible this is where the actual abduction occurs with no witness.
The perp could have noticed students walking to school and just sat there and waited for an opportunity like a predator would do.





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 15, 2009, 04:36:54 PM
Blue indicates Amber's route - the red is a possible shortcut.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 15, 2009, 04:41:24 PM
When I first found it on Google I thought that line leading to the animal area of the school was a road or a path, but it appears to be more of a creek, water control zone..
Is that true ?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 15, 2009, 05:26:02 PM
When I first found it on Google I thought that line leading to the animal area of the school was a road or a path, but it appears to be more of a creek, water control zone..
Is that true ?

I believe that is correct - because I've heard reports that the "creek" area by the school was thoroughly searched.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, answers to your questions from Grandmom
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 15, 2009, 06:12:31 PM
RE: queres

Amber did not take shortcuts because the ONLY safe place to cross Broadway to get to school was at the light at Vista.  She crossed there and then walked on the school side of Broadway.  She was not fond of running. To cross in the middle of the street would require one to run, or, get run over.

We continue to look for aerial photos for that day.  Eye witness testimony is questionable (although these are 2  good people) given the weather, the construction and the number of students walking to school. Her family has both walked and driven the street at the relevant time.  I drove it before the Vigil on Wed.   Traffic was light.  Could I have identified any of the teens I saw walking along Broadway, absolutely not?  I can say they were girls with long brown hair.  They were not wearing hoodies and it was NOT raining .

The EPD stated directly to my question as to how strongly they believed in the 2 eye witness testimoney that they were 90% positive that Amber got as far as the driveway to her school based on their testimony. NO facts support this.  Police state that they checked when the children of these 2 witnesses entered the school and the time frame "matched."  When I pointed out that the time frame would match WHETHER OR NOT they actually saw Amber because those two students DID arrive safely, the EPD concluded that was not significant.  That conclusion fails in reason in my opinion.

Amber's Mom and I continue to be of the belief that she could have been taken anywhere on Fire Mountain or down the  street to Broadway.  There are FEW people out and about at that hour.  If Amber was set up to be grabbed, as we believe she was, the perps would know he/they had a better shot at her before she neared the school.

It was raining.  If she KNEW a person, or a neighbor, who said jump in and I will give you a ride, she might have done that to keep dry...but, then, he (they) would not let her go.  All they would need to do is drive to the right on Broadway to avoid the school area.

On the other hand, the perps could stop on Paradise and have her in a vehicle in 17 seconds.

My daughter, Lisa, has been answering some of your queres and we will certainly try to stay current.

Do I believe you can help us?  YES.  As Agatha might say, please keep your little grey cells working for Amber.

FYI:  I do keep notebooks and comprehensive files on everything that I can get my hands on re: Amber.  I am a trial attorney and very detailed oriented.  But, this is too big for one lawyer, one family, one city and certainly, one police department.  PLEASE continue to help us. We are paying attention to you.

As ever,

AMBERS GRANDMOM




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on May 15, 2009, 06:34:34 PM
 Edward ..... Please help.    I am using a laptop with aircard from the lake.  Needless to say, large searches overwhelm my little system.   

This site looked interesting and I just cannot get to the details on empty houses, but if you could look at it, I'll bet you can.

If it doesn't take you to my search, probably shortening the IP address would work. 

Thanks.

http://www.realtytrac.com/MapSearch/CA/San%20Diego-county.html?zipOnly=false&selStatus=#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


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 15, 2009, 06:42:12 PM
I have been reading this thread on and off. Ambers Grandma you are providing a lot of information, thank you.

I have a question. Amber's dad wrote a letter stating it was Friday and he should on the way to the train station to pick Amber up. Did she take the train every Friday? Is this a commuter train where the same people are on it every day? Did she talk with anyone on the train that you know of? maybe she divulged what school she went to? that person would not be a stranger and she would trust getting a ride in the rain, just a thought...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on May 15, 2009, 06:52:19 PM
Hi Edward,

This link may be better for multiple listings in Escondido.

Thankhttp://www.realtytrac.com/MapSearch/CA/San%20Diego-county.html?zipOnly=false&selStatus=#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.   

Chi-M


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on May 15, 2009, 07:25:36 PM
I have been reading this thread on and off. Ambers Grandma you are providing a lot of information, thank you.

I have a question. Amber's dad wrote a letter stating it was Friday and he should on the way to the train station to pick Amber up. Did she take the train every Friday? Is this a commuter train where the same people are on it every day? Did she talk with anyone on the train that you know of? maybe she divulged what school she went to? that person would not be a stranger and she would trust getting a ride in the rain, just a thought...

Tracygirl .. good catch on the Friday train. Wonder if she may have had a train friend. 

   
The possibility that someone who knew Amber at least casually, targeted her and perhaps is keeping her in town is possibly the best scenario.  That is why I keep looking in the neighborhood.   


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 15, 2009, 07:36:58 PM
Thank you,
 Ambers Grandmom


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 15, 2009, 07:40:47 PM
Thank You Chi-monkey ..
I just got back and I will look at these items.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 15, 2009, 08:13:41 PM
Hi Chi-monkey

I have taken a look at both sites..They actually the same site and there are many real estate sites like them listing foreclosed homes..

There is good reason for your thinking as vacant homes could be used for such things ...

I did list a link today
In a crimes blog, a page or 2 back, In San Diego there is one crime report listed where a 14 year old girl is taken into a foreclosed home and murdered.. It was over a year ago.. Still nobody has been arrested..It was brutal.
There are many many vacant homes.. I would think a realtor would eventually come across something..


The Realtors do not use helicopters to take aerial shots of these homes they use Google and other map sites and they steal the images we are seeing on there advertising.
Ariel photos are becoming more rare by the day because of Google and others who are using Satellite images make very little work for private pilots who used to go around taking Ariel photos for a living..
The police use Ariel photography on there helicopters..
So does the electric company when they are doing line work..
News media uses on-off cameras too.
Some construction companies still pay for progress images on large construction projects..

Finding a satellite of Escondido on Feb 13 2009 is one long shot.
They are usually time delayed.
My home pictured on google earth..The images of my property is 5 years old.
 

The construction trucks mentioned..
This means to me there are workers nearby when Amber goes missing.
Are the construction trucks mentioned working on Broadway on February 13 2009 at 7 a.m. ?
Are they working on the road on a rainy day ?
Who owns the construction trucks ?

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 15, 2009, 08:33:25 PM
Commercial ariel photography companies.. Escondido

Sky Shot
(760) 746-5465
541 W 15th Ave
Escondido, CA 92025


Construction related aariel photography.. San Diego
http://www.nortap.com/

www.aerialphotossandiego.com
7939 Silverton Ave, San Diego - (954) 328-4238

 www.lenska.com
2645 Financial Ct # O, San Diego - (858) 453-1585






Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on May 15, 2009, 08:53:59 PM
Thanks for the help Edward.  I was wondering about the near neighborhood. 

Chi-M


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 16, 2009, 06:23:28 PM


Thinking about you and your family and praying continuously with my family to bring Amber safely home.

Light Amber's way home:
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Amber

Amber's website:
http://www.bringamberhome.com/

God bless Amber's family and keep them well and rested enough to continue to be the wonderful advocates, support, and information gatherers they have been for their well-loved and heart fully missed child, Amber.

        (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/hangingwithamonkey-1.jpg)



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 16, 2009, 08:53:24 PM
Prayers for this family and the search for there missing child.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 17, 2009, 11:29:00 AM
I Consider it very possible that Amber was already in the Pick Up When it is seen on Video. She would have been walking to the animal area of the school by walking down the Bus yard driveway when approached by the driver of the red pick up. He could have just pointed a weapon at her and told her to get in..

This is an amazing video. The video shows just exactly how much time was spent in the parked position by the pick up..
I have to consider that it is very possible that This is where the perp is getting control of Amber..

  In other videos it shows this pick up backing up a long way across the parking lot..

This video does not show the pick up backing up. The backing up tells me the person in the pick up is not comfortable, and is looking for another spot on the parking lot out of sight of others. The yellow bus is in front of the pick up and blocks view as to what is going on inside of the pick up.

It does show the man walking to the bus, which appears to make the person in the pick up take off.
It also shows the white car, Who enters the area where the bus is parked.. Who may also have been witness to whom was driving the pick up. The smallest amount of info from the driver of the white car could be very helpful..


See video here .. Courtesy of "cloudajo" at Web Sleuths

 http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/apr/24/1m24amber235147-id-sought-driver-near-school-day-g/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 17, 2009, 11:49:00 AM
Red Pick Up Truck vehicle comparrison work provided by Web Sleuths  member "cloudajo"

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3509&d=1240834108


Area and Timeline..

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3510&d=1240834129



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 17, 2009, 12:12:28 PM
Quote from: cloudajo;3745076
I hear what you're saying about lots of red pickup trucks, but I think it's the unique qualities of this truck that need to be highlighted and focused on:

Chrome Running Boards
Chrome Bed Rails
Chrome Wheels
Tailgate missing or modified to accomodate a 5th wheel trailer
Not a bright red color, but a maroon/burgundy/dark red color
Plus, if they did get 150 leads on the truck then it's a place to start and eliminate. I'd keep pushing to have the truck pic/description out there right along with Amber's pic (on her website, on the posters, on Craigslist, etc.). Some alert person might notice something and call in a tip that leads to something.

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 17, 2009, 12:17:20 PM

Quote from: cloudajo;3752641
I realize this could have been random, but I too would like to know more about the construction work going on. Construction trucks were parked toward the school gates on west side. Was the construction going on at the high school itself? If so, for how long? How many workers? Same company, any turnover? Did workers usually start at 7-7:30AM? Did any of the workers get fired or quit before Feb 13? Did any not show up for work on Feb 13 or the days after? (Note that Feb 13 was a Friday, and Monday, Feb 16 was a school holiday.)

 

A notice from the high school dated Aug, 2008 said the construction of their campus Learning Center was underway and was anticipated to be completed sometime in the spring (of 2009). The notice contains various drop off and parking instructions (link below). Was this the same/only work going on?

 

· Police have said construction trucks were parked south of that driveway, toward the school gates, which would have blocked passersby from seeing much of the sidewalk where Amber would have been walking.

 

· No parents, construction workers or school employees remember ever seeing the truck before or after Amber's disappearance.

 

http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2009-05-05/news/local-county-news/poway-escondido-ramona/amber-dubois-search-continues-mothers-day-weekend

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Was-Missing-Escondido-Girl-Abducted-in-Red-Pickup/glZVEOPuJU6Tpv0R0QtFMw.cspx

http://www.ehscougars.com/documents/ehsPrincipalsMessageAug08.pdf

 I too am very interested in ANY construction going on.. Construction workers normally start at 6 a.m. and if Any of the workers are around they should or may have seen something of value..

Thank you cloudajo for the permission to post your work.
Edward/Cazador


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 17, 2009, 12:32:43 PM
It is a beautiful Sunday morning on the central west coast of California, in the beautiful Monterey bay area.
I stand in one moment of silence in prayer, thanking God for this beautiful day and in my prayers and hopes that a miracle will happen. That a answer will come forward for the family of the missing Child, Amber Leeanne Dubois.
 Please say a prayer to God  " Whatever you perceive that to be " for all the missing people in the world that there families will find answers too. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 17, 2009, 02:14:22 PM
It is a beautiful Sunday morning on the central west coast of California, in the beautiful Monterey bay area.
I stand in one moment of silence in prayer, thanking God for this beautiful day and in my prayers and hopes that a miracle will happen. That a answer will come forward for the family of the missing Child, Amber Leeanne Dubois.
 Please say a prayer to God  " Whatever you perceive that to be " for all the missing people in the world that there families will find answers too. 

Edward this month has so far been a good one, I think 4 children have been located and found alive!  ::cartwheel::

Dear God,
I pray today to give thanks for bringing home 4 of the lost little children, we ask you to continue to bless families with the return of their most precious loved ones. I pray you shed peace and strength over the families and keep them under  your most thoughtful watch. I pray angels protect those who are not yet home and I pray you help guide LE and searchers to where they are.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 18, 2009, 10:34:56 AM
Here is some relative images from the corner of vista drive and Broadway showing the parking lot relative to the church located on the corner where Amber would approach while walking to school.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 18, 2009, 10:39:53 AM
Here are some images relative to the bus parking lot and storage area that leads to the animal area of the school.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 18, 2009, 10:42:38 AM
More of the bus area..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 18, 2009, 10:45:46 AM
I have been notified the links from web sleuths are not working for the vehicle comparrison photos..
We will get that fixed and repost the images without a link.. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 18, 2009, 10:55:57 AM
(http://media.nbcsandiego.com/images/300*154/cmsgfdgdfhgfd.gif)

The day 14-year old Amber Dubois disappeared, she was carrying a check for $200 to buy a lamb. She never made the purchase.

Amber vanished on February 13th as she walked to Escondido High School and hasn't been seen since. But what has become of the lamb, who Amber had named 'Nanette'?

In the month's that Amber disappeared, Nanette has been cared for by the Agricultural club at Escondido High School, according to Amber's father Maurice Dubois. The school has incurred the cost of boarding and caring for the lamb.

Now, the plan is for the lamb to be auctioned off at the San Diego County Fair in Del Mar. Any profits made from the sale will be given to the Amber Search Center.

There is at least one person who is hoping she can win the auction.

Amber's niece Kelly is hoping to raise enough money to buy the lamb herself and keep it in the family. She says if she's able to raise enough money, she'll keep the lamb at a farm or petting zoo with the hopes of one day giving it to Amber.

"To me, Nanette is a symbol that Amber is going to come home and I just want Amber to see her little lamb that she was so anxious to see that morning she disappeared," said Kelly.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Ambers-Lamb-To-Be-Auctioned.html

There is a video of this lamb at the link can somebody please bring that over ?
 Thank You


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on May 18, 2009, 11:10:13 AM
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/syndication?id=45233912&path=%2Fnews%2Flocal

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Ambers-Lamb-To-Be-Auctioned.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 18, 2009, 11:33:41 AM


Thinking about you and your family and praying continuously with my family to bring Amber safely home.

Light Amber's way home:
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Amber

Amber's website:
http://www.bringamberhome.com/

God bless Amber's family and keep them well and rested enough to continue to be the wonderful advocates, support, and information gatherers they have been for their well-loved and heart fully missed child, Amber.

        (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/hangingwithamonkey-1.jpg)



Bringing this forward. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 18, 2009, 12:37:57 PM
That little lamb is camera shy..  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 18, 2009, 12:43:43 PM
The road behind the handler of the lamb looks pretty busy ..
Is she in the animal area of the high school ? Or at another place?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 18, 2009, 01:49:56 PM
There is only 2 spots which appear to have vulnerable positions..

 Although along Broadway there is a couple of spots that appear to also be positions in which a vehicle could pull over and make some fast move out of sight from most people in the area, He/They Could have pulled over and pointed a weapon at her and told her to get in..
and maybe this is what happened.. I will not discount that idea..
This could have happened after the bus parking lot in front of the sports stadium as the houses across the street have fences and views are limited..
This is also within range of what other witnesses have said they had seen.. She would have been 200-300 yards from the main school entrance.


But other then that I have 2 areas that are without a doubt out of sight areas.. 



1.The church parking lot. Very vacant early A.M. and because of growth around the perimeter of the parking lot.. The abductor could be laying in wait for a victim..

Noted

" Amber's Grand-mom says no way, Amber would never cut across the church parking lot.

 I still think it is possible.. jmho



2. The Maroon pick up... At first the pick up parks facing the street.. THEN the pick up backs up past the open gate to the bus yard.."This is seen in various news videos"
 Then, when he drives forward the white car comes in behind him into the open gated bus parking area and the maroon pick up drives around a parked car and parks for some minutes facing a bus. His rear window is dark and therefore he is hidden from street view on the rear and by the bus on the front as well as the parked car on his right side..

 That is why I think Amber is already in the vehicle..

I have been thinking, She must have been headed over to the animal area when she was intercepted by the maroon pick up.. It came down the bus driveway behind her. He would have pointed a weapon at her and told her to get in.. Then he goes looking for a hidden spot to get the situation under control, he can see the white car enter the drive way and that is Why he backs up and drives forward looking for a better position.





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 18, 2009, 02:18:11 PM
Here are the Web Sleuths images courtesy of member, Cloudajo



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 18, 2009, 02:23:09 PM
The only thing I have left to consider .. Is the cell phone location.

If it is turned on the next day and in a local area, then one would have to consider the suspect to be a local citizen.

If it is turned on the next day and it is 20 miles away..
Then the suspect may not be a local..

The position of that cell phone would most likely be the direction of travel and the search line.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 18, 2009, 02:38:01 PM
Quote from: cloudajo;3721447
Someone on another forum posted a link to this Sacramento crime blog. I did a search on "red pickup truck" and several articles came back.

 

This one caught my eye - an incident on Feb 25, 2009 about attempted abduction of 16 year old girl walking to h.s. in Auburn (about 7-9 hours drive south of Escondido). The man had a full size red pickup truck and asked her for the time when she was walking by. Scary how this stuff happens. Not saying necessarily that it's related but who knows, and I wonder if LE can search police reports in the area/state on certain criteria like "red pickup truck." Article includes a sketch of the man.

 

Feb 25, 2009

 

Authorities released a sketch this afternoon of a man who allegedly tried to kidnap a teenager as she walked to school in Auburn this morning.

The 16-year-old girl was walking along Richardson Drive on her way to school at Maidu High School, said Dena Erwin, a spokeswoman for the Placer County Sheriff's Department.

The girl said that as she walked by a red, four-door pickup, a man asked her for the time, Erwin said.

"She looked down for her cell phone and he grabbed her and threw her against the truck," she said.

The girl said she elbowed the man in the stomach and ran.

"He got back in his truck and fled," Erwin said.

The girl ran home and called 911.

The girl described the man as white, in his 30s, with a muscular build and a goatee, wearing a black hooded, zip-up sweatshirt, Erwin said.

Deputies have searched the area and issued a "be on the lookout" to other law enforcement agencies. They also are "looking at potential suspects," Erwin said.

Article: http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/crime/archives/020046.html

Video: http://www.truveo.com/Search-For-Suspect-In-Auburn-Attempted-Kidnapping/id/4152446953

Folsom / Aurburn is just outside of Sacramento... RED pick up .. 25th of February 
High school girl attempted abduction..
Please see news video..
Video: http://www.truveo.com/Search-For-Suspect-In-Auburn-Attempted-Kidnapping/id/4152446953



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 18, 2009, 02:48:20 PM
This is a video that shows the Maroon truck backing up..

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Red-Truck-Spotted-Near-Amber-Dubois-School.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on May 18, 2009, 05:39:01 PM
Thank you Edward and thanks to Cloudajo over at WS.  Some useful information.  I totally agree with your theory.  Is there anyway to get a police report from the Sacramento incident to find out if there is more info on the truck?  When I first saw the video, I thought it was a Dodge Ram, I had no idea there were so many trucks like that. 

Prayers to Amber & those that love her!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 18, 2009, 05:55:54 PM
Yes I think a person Could contact LE Sacramento..Like I have done in other cases and talk with the detective in charge of that case. I do not know if you can get a copy of the police report or not.. But They may be interested in knowing about THIS case.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 18, 2009, 06:08:28 PM
Everyone should read that sacbee.com link posted above..
 One of the reader comments already references this case but somebody should make sure that Auburn LE has been contacted and that detectives on both sides have talked to each other and compared notes..
Anything is possible ...

AUBURN POLICE DEPARTMENT  530- 823- 4237

I just tried to call and it says offices are closed for the day.. umm, it is
3 oclock !!  ::MonkeyEek::
Bankers hours.. lol

Anyways somebody does need to confirm..
jmho
 





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 18, 2009, 06:19:39 PM
I hope that was ok to post that lamb auction item, I took the address from the family web site.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 18, 2009, 06:27:53 PM
The road behind the handler of the lamb looks pretty busy ..
Is she in the animal area of the high school ? Or at another place?


That would be N. Centre City Pkwy which runs behind the high school and it's properties.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 18, 2009, 06:49:14 PM
Thank You Ampersand


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 18, 2009, 07:24:01 PM
We will need an answer from you on how anyone who wishes to send  donation for her auction for the purpose of wining the lamb in the animal auction can do so..

Then maybe one of the moderators can clean up any posts not relative.  ::MonkeyCool::



Again, it's a wonderful idea  ::MonkeyDance::  Kelly and Amber are very close.  As soon as I saw the post I got on the phone to find out if/how this could be accomplished.  Sorry if my response above seems abrupt - for some reason the page kept jumping as I typed and I couldn't see what I was typing . . .  ::MonkeyConfused::

We'll be sure to post whatever we come up with in that regard.   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 18, 2009, 09:14:06 PM
It was very generous to suggest that folks send money to Maurice Dubois' niece,  Kelly, to help her raise money to buy the lamb. But, Amber's Trust does not allow the use of public donations except for "search and rescue" efforts for Amber.  The trust is in two parts: the reward, which is frozen until paid out ($50,000 for Amber's safe return, $10,000 for information leading to the arrest of responsible parties, and $10,000 for location of her burial if she has been murdered). This fund was paid for exclusively  by the family of Amber's Mom and three close friends.

The "search fund" is from public donations and certain fund raising activities (Fire Dept, Motorcyle run, Applebees).  In total, the "search fund" donations received are less than half of the reward fund.  Very few donations have been received in the past two weeks but costs for insurance for the center, the 800 number for "tips" answered at the police department, and related expenses for the search continue. Only essentials are charged to the trust account. We have been blessed with help from several organizations for office supplies and search materials such as bottled water, vests, etc. and remain grateful.

I like the lamb. I am impressed by the school farm facilities and the kids I met there were terrific young people. My daughter said the lamb  needed some things and I have purchased the "extras" needed, personally. It was never intended by Amber that the lamb become a pet. It was a Future Farmers educational project and Amber was looking forward to the Fair and the auction of her lamb. Her plan was to use the auction money to get her next animal. It has been a gesture of kindness for the school provide so much for the lamb and for Nicki who is the young lady attending EHS who has taken care of the lamb (no small task) on a day to day basis. It has been a project to raise funds. And, the sale of the lamb will provide extra monies needed  for the continued search for Amber, and, that must remain our priority. 

While I can represent that Amber's Trust has been legally set up, filed with the IRS, properly set up with the bank and trustees, audited by a CPA, etc., I cannot make any representations about any "lamb fund" because I do not know what, if anything, has been done.   In any event,  Amber's Trust cannot accept donations which are to go personally to Kelly. No funds can go directly to ANY family member for ANY purpose.

If this sounds harsh, please remember that it is my granddaughter that is missing and only God knows how long the search will go on. So, our first priority has to be for Amber. 

Thank you again for your tenacity in your investigations.  I will have specific comments on the progress in the next day or so.  God Bless you.

Amber's Grandmom


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 18, 2009, 09:31:31 PM
It is not harsh at all, thank you for clarifying how it all works..

I have to go find a moderator to clean up my posts..  ::MonkeyWink::

We have 4h projects future farmers and the kids raise the animal for 3 or 4 months and then they Show the animals and they get auctioned and the kids keep the money.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 09:37:22 PM
I'm here Edward, what do you need done?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 09:41:44 PM
314 318 319 deleted please.. Thank YOU  ::MonkeyAngel::

Fixed (I think  ::MonkeyWink:: )


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 18, 2009, 09:45:19 PM
You are wonderful thank you so much for your help.

You are all wonderful - thank you so much!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 18, 2009, 09:50:24 PM
(http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/crime/scan0001.jpg)

This is the suspect in Auburn California february attempted abduction of a 16 year old girl driving a red 4 door pick up.. She got away..

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/crime/archives/020046.html

Call the Auburn police and see if they know about Amber..
Have detectives compare notes..
530-823-4237



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 18, 2009, 09:52:08 PM
I will check in later .. I
 hope you can tell us about the approx position of the phone call.
If that is secret I understand.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2009, 09:54:04 PM
You are both very welcome.  Let's find Amber, I know she's out there just waiting to be found.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 18, 2009, 09:59:04 PM
(http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/crime/scan0001.jpg)

This is the suspect in Auburn California february attempted abduction of a 16 year old girl driving a red 4 door pick up.. She got away..

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/crime/archives/020046.html

Call the Auburn police and see if they know about Amber..
Have detectives compare notes..
530-823-4237



Okay - maybe just me - but can anyone cross reference this drawing with attempted abductions in Redondo Beach that happened in January but weren't released to the public until March?  I'm gonna go look too...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 18, 2009, 10:02:23 PM
(http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/crime/scan0001.jpg)

This is the suspect in Auburn California february attempted abduction of a 16 year old girl driving a red 4 door pick up.. She got away..

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/crime/archives/020046.html

Call the Auburn police and see if they know about Amber..
Have detectives compare notes..
530-823-4237



Okay - maybe just me - but can anyone cross reference this drawing with attempted abductions in Redondo Beach that happened in January but weren't released to the public until March?  I'm gonna go look too...

No, not too similar . . .


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 18, 2009, 10:03:33 PM
(http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/crime/scan0001.jpg)

This is the suspect in Auburn California february attempted abduction of a 16 year old girl driving a red 4 door pick up.. She got away..

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/crime/archives/020046.html

Call the Auburn police and see if they know about Amber..
Have detectives compare notes..
530-823-4237



Okay - maybe just me - but can anyone cross reference this drawing with attempted abductions in Redondo Beach that happened in January but weren't released to the public until March?  I'm gonna go look too...

No, not too similar . . .

Or are they? 

[yes I know, I'm posting to myself]


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on May 18, 2009, 10:07:45 PM
Ambersand ~ I think they are very similar, especially at first glance.  The one from Auburn looks less detailed but hairline, eyes and facial hair look the same to me.  When you said "not so similar" I almost fell out of my chair! 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 18, 2009, 10:14:12 PM
Ambersand ~ I think they are very similar, especially at first glance.  The one from Auburn looks less detailed but hairline, eyes and facial hair look the same to me.  When you said "not so similar" I almost fell out of my chair! 

Trying to factor in "artist rendition" - how do you draw from a verbal discription?  So, this is why I'm wondering about these attempts - and the "descriptions" given - and the "tall, thin boy" allegedly last seen with Amber


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 19, 2009, 12:22:15 AM
it looks like the same guy !!

When you consider a sketch artist working with a 16 year olds mind and memory, who had seen this male for only a moment it is very very close..



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 19, 2009, 12:51:28 AM
Do the body types match on the two men? Ones seems thinner then the other.

Edward I think you have a good lead with the auburn guy and the red truck. Good work!

I was wondering, could they not zoom in on the video of the truck to see a license plate? this truck however was burgundy and not red? Have they been able to determine what type of truck from either incident?

BTW it is  very sweet that Amber's cousin wants to purchase the lamb...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 19, 2009, 09:34:37 AM
From cloudajo W/S

I know this may have been totally random, but I read a comment from her grandmom that Amber boarded her horse at a stable nearby her home.  I wonder if they checked out the workers there or any other people keeping horses there.





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 19, 2009, 12:08:38 PM
(http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/crime/scan0001.jpg)

This is the suspect in Auburn California february attempted abduction of a 16 year old girl driving a red 4 door pick up.. She got away..

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/crime/archives/020046.html

Call the Auburn police and see if they know about Amber..
Have detectives compare notes..
530-823-4237



Okay - maybe just me - but can anyone cross reference this drawing with attempted abductions in Redondo Beach that happened in January but weren't released to the public until March?  I'm gonna go look too...

No, not too similar . . .


Someone posted - either here or on W/S - asking if there was a possible link between Amber's disappearance and that of the toddler from San Bernardino who has thankfully been rescued.  Here's the pic of the suspects in that abduction.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 19, 2009, 12:12:37 PM
wow..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 19, 2009, 12:15:02 PM
wow..

Vega is 5'9" @ 180lbs according to FBI

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/alert/vega_l.htm


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 19, 2009, 12:15:07 PM
3 Go-tees ..what are the chances of that ?

Where did those photos come from Ampersand ?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 19, 2009, 12:17:37 PM
Thank you for that link..

He is supposedly traveling with his wife ?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 19, 2009, 12:21:46 PM
(http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/alert/surveillance_photo.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 19, 2009, 12:22:52 PM
3 Go-tees ..what are the chances of that ?

Where did those photos come from Ampersand ?

I saw it on ABC news this morning actually - I nearly fell out of my chair when they showed the pictures!  Well, goatees are very trendy these days - I think the eyes - and the chin are significant too - it could just be wishful thinking on my part too which is why I wanted input here - thanks! 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 19, 2009, 12:37:15 PM
REDONDO BEACH, Calif. (CBS) ― 

 Redondo Beach Police are looking for two suspects in an attempted abduction. When the victim approached van after the driver asked for directions, the side sliding door opened and a passenger grabbed her and tried to pull her into the van.
 
Redondo Beach Police are searching for two suspects who tried to force a female into a van in an abduction attempt.

A late 1990s white van pulled up to the victim at the corner of Green Lane and Grant Avenue on Jan. 3

When the victim approached van after the driver asked for directions, the side sliding door opened and a passenger grabbed her and tried to pull her
into the van, Redondo Beach police Lt. Paul Wrightsman said.

The victim fought back and was able to ran away.

The passenger got back in the van and the suspects fled.

Officials on Monday released a composite sketch of the passenger who tried to pull the victim in the man.

The suspects were described as in their 30s.

(http://llnw.image.cbslocal.com/18/2009/03/10/175x131/redondobeachabduct.jpg)

http://cbs2.com/local/redondo.beach.attempted.2.954812.html

I had to go find the rest of that story... There is 2 guys involved again !! and The white van that has been mentioned Again..

These guys have been very busy and could be guilty in many crimes..

I bet it really is the same pair of Idiots.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 19, 2009, 12:41:17 PM
Hmmm... I don't see it. I don't think they are the same person.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 19, 2009, 12:44:11 PM
january 3 2009 radondo beach, white van, 2 men ..GoTee
feruary 13 2009 escandido .. red 4 door pick up .. abductor/s unknown
february 25 2009 auburn.. red 4 door pick up.. 1 man ..GoTee
may 3 2009.. san bernadino.. 95 green ford bronco ..2 men .. GoTee


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 19, 2009, 12:53:24 PM
Hmmm... I don't see it. I don't think they are the same person.

What's needed is a positive ID by the victims that were able to get away and report the attempted abductions.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 19, 2009, 12:54:30 PM
Are their known ties to NorCal?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 19, 2009, 12:56:56 PM
Im not good with posting pics, would someone mind putting all of the sketches and then the pics of the men from Briants kidnapping all in one thread to do a side by side?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 19, 2009, 12:59:59 PM
Im not good with posting pics, would someone mind putting all of the sketches and then the pics of the men from Briants kidnapping all in one thread to do a side by side?

Don't know if I did this right. . .


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 19, 2009, 01:00:29 PM
I meant post, put everyone in one postings. Sorry about not being clear


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 19, 2009, 01:03:06 PM
Im not good with posting pics, would someone mind putting all of the sketches and then the pics of the men from Briants kidnapping all in one thread to do a side by side?

Cropped the photo


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 19, 2009, 01:03:36 PM
drawings are very misleading.. and even photos can be misleading..
the f.b.i. photos on the wanted posters look nothing like the store surveillance images..
Yet they are the same guys..



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 19, 2009, 01:04:02 PM
I meant post, put everyone in one postings. Sorry about not being clear

Ooops - now I've done it twice the wrong way  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 19, 2009, 01:05:39 PM
Thanks that helped. I can now see a resemblence. I agree the victims need to be asked if it is the same person.
I think the one thing I am stuck on is, how did they jumped from trying to abduct young girls to ransaking a home and kidnapping a young child?
Any theories?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 19, 2009, 01:08:35 PM
Hmmm... I don't see it. I don't think they are the same person.

What's needed is a positive ID by the victims that were able to get away and report the attempted abductions.

So True..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 19, 2009, 01:10:17 PM
drawings are very misleading.. and even photos can be misleading..
the f.b.i. photos on the wanted posters look nothing like the store surveillance images..
Yet they are the same guys..


Edward I would not have guessed they where the same people!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 19, 2009, 01:12:00 PM
Thanks that helped. I can now see a resemblence. I agree the victims need to be asked if it is the same person.
I think the one thing I am stuck on is, how did they jumped from trying to abduct young girls to ransaking a home and kidnapping a young child?
Any theories?

Tracygirl -

Valid point - it doesn't fit the profile to switch like that - the best we can do is speculate because we'll never be afforded all of the details from LE on any of the cases - we all know they leak to media what they want us to know - when they want us to know it.  I bring up the example again of the Redondo attempt - it happened in early January but it didn't hit the media until March - long after Amber's disappearance and additional attempts involving similar vehicles and suspects.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 19, 2009, 01:14:16 PM
I meant post, put everyone in one postings. Sorry about not being clear

Ooops - now I've done it twice the wrong way  ::MonkeyConfused::

You are doing great.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 19, 2009, 01:20:37 PM
The FBI link, the person without goatee, Isreal Menero, if you look at the first pic listed in the row, it looks like the same jawline.
This is definately worth LE investigating. wow! good work!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 19, 2009, 01:22:46 PM
sorry forgot the link. I need more coffee this morning!

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/alert/moreno_il.htm


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 19, 2009, 01:24:56 PM
I know, but I am not supposed to say much on the boy.. 

It is not relative to Amber ..




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 19, 2009, 01:29:35 PM
What do you mean Edward?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 19, 2009, 01:30:27 PM
I know one of the detectives in the boy case..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 19, 2009, 01:31:29 PM
I know, but I am not supposed to say much on the boy.. 

It is not relative to Amber ..


Until we know otherwise . . .


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 19, 2009, 01:32:39 PM
Exactly


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 19, 2009, 01:35:26 PM
Do not get me wrong..

The culprits may be the same .... We need to consider this..


The motive is what is different. That is what I can't talk about..






Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 19, 2009, 01:36:46 PM
I know one of the detectives in the boy case..

It maybe relative to Ambers case...Do you mean you personally are not supposed to say something to the FBI about a possible resemblance? I should just get up and get that cup of coffee....


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 19, 2009, 01:39:38 PM
Do not get me wrong..

The culprits may be the same .... We need to consider this..


The motive is what is different. That is what I can't talk about..






Ohhhhh. Yea the motivations for the crimes are not the same.
What is the next step?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 19, 2009, 01:39:40 PM
Has anyone called the Auburn police yet ?

They need to show these F.B.I. photos of the culprits to there victim..



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 19, 2009, 01:49:27 PM
The FBI link, the person without goatee, Isreal Menero, if you look at the first pic listed in the row, it looks like the same jawline.
This is definately worth LE investigating. wow! good work!


Moreno with goatee Photoshopped in for reference only.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 19, 2009, 01:50:11 PM
If the cell phone ping is North of Escandido..

and Auburn witness says "yes" it is one of them..

Then I would assume The search direction for Amber is North of Escandido ..



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 19, 2009, 01:51:18 PM
The FBI link, the person without goatee, Isreal Menero, if you look at the first pic listed in the row, it looks like the same jawline.
This is definately worth LE investigating. wow! good work!


Moreno with goatee Photoshopped in for reference only.

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 19, 2009, 01:54:08 PM
Everything so far looks on target.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 19, 2009, 02:01:31 PM
I have placed a call to Auburn Police.. waiting for a call back.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 19, 2009, 02:34:58 PM
Quote from: cloudajo;3756399
Amber's cell phone was turned on briefly Saturday afternoon. I read the ping they got was off a cell phone tower in North Escondido and also that it was narrowed to a 5 mile radius. So not an exact location but a general area.

 

Let's assume the pickup truck was involved. After exiting the driveway onto Broadway, what would be a likely route to get to North Escondido?

 

How about a group of searchers drive, bike, or walks the likely route(s) with pics of truck, and stops along the way to ask people if they saw this truck as well as at any businesses along the way (e.g. gas stations, etc.) that may have video cameras?

 

Maybe that's already been done.

 

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=9975976

There it is..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 19, 2009, 02:36:29 PM
Here are side by sides - sketches and photos


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 19, 2009, 02:38:07 PM
The FBI link, the person without goatee, Isreal Menero, if you look at the first pic listed in the row, it looks like the same jawline.
This is definately worth LE investigating. wow! good work!


Moreno with goatee Photoshopped in for reference only.

***Thump**** that was me falling off my chair!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 19, 2009, 02:41:00 PM
lol


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 19, 2009, 02:45:00 PM
The side by side really helps. does the body size and so forth match up too?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 19, 2009, 02:45:09 PM
Don't spill yer coffee!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 19, 2009, 02:47:09 PM
Do we know where in California these men lived or where they families are at? The FBI must know this right?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 19, 2009, 02:49:09 PM
Don't spill yer coffee!  ::MonkeyWink::

I learned when reading on this site, never drink coffee while on the computer!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on May 19, 2009, 02:58:09 PM
What direction is the desert you referred to early on?  I'm geographically challenged.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 19, 2009, 03:18:52 PM
East ..
Traveling North though and a little to the right is the desert.. The Mohave and Barstow and you can travel on a road that will eventually take you to Auburn on highway 395 Although 5 would be the direct route..



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on May 19, 2009, 03:25:19 PM
Are the FBI involved in Amber's case?  I would imagine they would be interested in Abersand's comparason photos.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 19, 2009, 03:56:35 PM
Are the FBI involved in Amber's case?  I would imagine they would be interested in Abersand's comparason photos.

They are "involved" whatever that is supposed to mean in FBI 'speak'.  For example, Amber is not even on the FBI's website for Kidnapped and Missing Persons - we have yet to get a response as to why this is.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 19, 2009, 04:16:40 PM
Very typical...
They need A witness to the abduction and possibly a crossing of state lines with Amber..
That would change everything for the F.B.I.
jmho




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 19, 2009, 04:39:06 PM
Very typical...
They need A witness to the abduction and possibly a crossing of state lines with Amber..
That would change everything for the F.B.I.
jmho


It's very frustrating to say the least  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 19, 2009, 05:42:58 PM
Very typical...
They need A witness to the abduction and possibly a crossing of state lines with Amber..
That would change everything for the F.B.I.
jmho


It's very frustrating to say the least  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Ampersand it is stupid isn't it? Take the Sandra Cantu case, They would not call it an abudution, it was classified as a possible run away although it did not make any sense what so ever


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 19, 2009, 05:46:33 PM
Very typical...
They need A witness to the abduction and possibly a crossing of state lines with Amber..
That would change everything for the F.B.I.
jmho


It's very frustrating to say the least  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Ampersand it is stupid isn't it? Take the Sandra Cantu case, They would not call it an abudution, it was classified as a possible run away although it did not make any sense what so ever

No, it really doesn't make sense - but when someone you love just vanishes - not much makes sense anymore.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 19, 2009, 06:21:37 PM
Are you a member of Ambers family? (((((((((hugs)))))))))) to you. She will be found and until she is we will  do whatever we can.

1 suggestion, there is not awareness up this way. I live in NorCal and I had heard nothing about this nor  read in the newspapers. Lets say there is an auburn tie, it might do some good to try to get the word out up this way.
Has NG or the other shows talked about this? Sorry I don't normally watch...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 19, 2009, 06:51:52 PM
Are you a member of Ambers family? (((((((((hugs)))))))))) to you. She will be found and until she is we will  do whatever we can.

1 suggestion, there is not awareness up this way. I live in NorCal and I had heard nothing about this nor  read in the newspapers. Lets say there is an auburn tie, it might do some good to try to get the word out up this way.
Has NG or the other shows talked about this? Sorry I don't normally watch...

I am very proud to be one of Amber's aunts.  We all appreciate everything you all are doing.  We've all been working had to spread the news and attract as much media attention as possible - and as widespread as possible.  Amber's story was covered briefly by NG, but not nearly to the degree of some others.  With abductions at a sickeningly epidemic level - it isn't easy to get the coverage.  It's sites like SM that help to get the word out - it's the people that care and put forth the effort.   ::MonkeyAngel::  The media is in it for the ratings.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  JMHO


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 19, 2009, 07:28:42 PM
Are you a member of Ambers family? (((((((((hugs)))))))))) to you. She will be found and until she is we will  do whatever we can.

1 suggestion, there is not awareness up this way. I live in NorCal and I had heard nothing about this nor  read in the newspapers. Lets say there is an auburn tie, it might do some good to try to get the word out up this way.
Has NG or the other shows talked about this? Sorry I don't normally watch...

I am very proud to be one of Amber's aunts.  We all appreciate everything you all are doing.  We've all been working had to spread the news and attract as much media attention as possible - and as widespread as possible.  Amber's story was covered briefly by NG, but not nearly to the degree of some others.  With abductions at a sickeningly epidemic level - it isn't easy to get the coverage.  It's sites like SM that help to get the word out - it's the people that care and put forth the effort.   ::MonkeyAngel::  The media is in it for the ratings.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  JMHO

I was told it takes hundreds of emails to these shows to get in the spot light. I dont' watch because I have to admit, I don't care that much for NG, Wykes told me that JVM (is that right?) is a good one, is that CNN?  Lets do a write in campaign! Lets keep writing until they pick this up.

Amber seems like she was a good girl, she loved her family, had a good friends, cared about animals...she was excited about choosing her lamb she was going to care for, came from a good family, then vanished. If the message is concentrated, it might get picked up. Never know until we try! You game, I am if you are. Let me know what you think  and I will get together the links for writing.

BTW who is your congressman in that area? If  you haven't called his office do so, and also your california state reps, both senate and assembly. Ask for an inperson appointment immediately. They don't like when a family threatens to let the papers know they wont meet with you when it involves this sort of thing...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 19, 2009, 07:44:29 PM
Are you a member of Ambers family? (((((((((hugs)))))))))) to you. She will be found and until she is we will  do whatever we can.

1 suggestion, there is not awareness up this way. I live in NorCal and I had heard nothing about this nor  read in the newspapers. Lets say there is an auburn tie, it might do some good to try to get the word out up this way.
Has NG or the other shows talked about this? Sorry I don't normally watch...

I am very proud to be one of Amber's aunts.  We all appreciate everything you all are doing.  We've all been working had to spread the news and attract as much media attention as possible - and as widespread as possible.  Amber's story was covered briefly by NG, but not nearly to the degree of some others.  With abductions at a sickeningly epidemic level - it isn't easy to get the coverage.  It's sites like SM that help to get the word out - it's the people that care and put forth the effort.   ::MonkeyAngel::  The media is in it for the ratings.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  JMHO

I was told it takes hundreds of emails to these shows to get in the spot light. I dont' watch because I have to admit, I don't care that much for NG, Wykes told me that JVM (is that right?) is a good one, is that CNN?  Lets do a write in campaign! Lets keep writing until they pick this up.

Amber seems like she was a good girl, she loved her family, had a good friends, cared about animals...she was excited about choosing her lamb she was going to care for, came from a good family, then vanished. If the message is concentrated, it might get picked up. Never know until we try! You game, I am if you are. Let me know what you think  and I will get together the links for writing.

BTW who is your congressman in that area? If  you haven't called his office do so, and also your california state reps, both senate and assembly. Ask for an inperson appointment immediately. They don't like when a family threatens to let the papers know they wont meet with you when it involves this sort of thing...

I'm absolutely game  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 19, 2009, 07:51:10 PM
Pasted from Wykes on the Billy  Van Croft thread.

Contact JVM:

"Issues with Jane Velez-Mitchell" on HLN (headline news) at CNN

website:
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/issues.with.jane/

email:
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form11b.html?1



Contact Greta:

"On The Record With Greta Van Susteren" on FOXNews

website:
http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/


email:
Ontherecord@foxnews.com
This one is broken but I accessed it through the website
phone:
1-888-369-4762



Contact NG:

"Nancy Grace" on CNN

website:
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

email:
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?81

America's most wanted
http://www.amw.com/

http://www.amw.com/about_amw/faq.cfm#cases

Seems though you have to do an old fashion write in campaign with actual paper and envelopes!
*INFORMATION*
How do I submit a case to AMW?

Cases to be profiled on AMW are carefully chosen from the hundreds of requests we receive every week. Due to the high volume of requests we often need to make tough decisions when it comes to choosing which cases to profile. We make every attempt to cover cases from all parts of the country and all type of crimes. Our ultimate goal is to give a voice to the maximum number of victims possible and help find Missing children and bring fugitives to justice.

If you would like to have a case considered for the show, please send all facts to:

America's Most Wanted

PO Box Crime TV

Washington DC 20016

Please make sure to note whether there is a known fugitive charged with the crime, or whether the perpetrator is yet to be identified. If charges have been filed, please note the police agency that filed the charges. It is also helpful to let us know what photos and/or video are available of the victim and the fugitive.

NOTE: We are not able to return materials, so do not send original or irreplaceable photos, documents, etc.

 
 
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on May 19, 2009, 08:10:11 PM
Cool! Now I have experience with awareness campaigns, not of this sort but they are all the same in principal if you ask me. As I have written on the Sandra Cantu thread....One clear message which answers the basic marketing questions.

1. what is the product (or message)
2. How  will it work for me (why should I care)
3. and why do I need it, (How can I help or what should I say in this case.)
All the while tugging on emotions.

So, you have an entire area to draw from. The more people writing and getting the attention the better, obviously. Making it as easy as possible for people is what will be needed. Not that people are lazy, but their time is limited.

Lets put a sample letter together so people have something to draw from and gather idea's from. It needs to be short, precise and to the point. the people reading these things read thousands of things  day. We need to use language which grabs them and grabs emotional strings. With the media, we use their need for ratings to our advantage. We make the story as compelling and heart wrenching as we can. (I know this sounds terrible but it is reality). After we do this, we ask everyone we know to help! People want to help, most people don't know what to do. 

Another idea is an online petition to politicians and also to the media as a cry for attention for this story. these are easy to get siggys for as long as it is something people care about, and they will care about this story.

I am sure other monkey's will have far more advice to offer, can anyone think of other things and ways to draw attention? Or maybe correct any of the suggestions I have made? I want to get this right.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 19, 2009, 08:41:15 PM
I hope we are of some assistance to your family. We are all volunteers.
Doing research is the goal of investigative Forums on the Internet.
Most of us started doing research for the Holloway family.
 
The concept here is a mass of minds working together and a thousand keyboards pressing in keywords and searching for answers or information on any given subject matter.
Research takes vast amounts of time..

 Once members bring that info to the forum and post it on these pages, which we call a thread. It should be printed out page by page and kept by you..
 If we are redundant and just posting things you already know or have access too, then we are of no help.

Time is of the essence..  The Families soul is damaged by the loss of a loved one and shrinking by the second.

This is what law enforcement does not and can not comprehend, because a family is built on heart and love.
Investigations are run on Logic.

This is not supposed to be a chat room BUT.. 
These Forums combine mind work and heart..
Sometimes that is wonderful and supportive thing.
Sometimes the hearts get in the way of investigation.

We have been doing this for 4 years on the Internet..
We have learned a lot but We are still learning and developing.
Members can be from anywhere in the world and there expertise and experience is of immeasurable value in my opinion.
I have a vast amount of respect for our researchers on this forum as well as BFN and W/S  and there are others.. As you have seen I will read and pull research from other forums.
 The researchers are scattered but are still connected by mind and a common thread to help others. Your family has a thread on almost every forum and I can tell by my emails Everyone who does research knows you are here and is willing to help in any way they can.

Why I try to develop a full picture of time and events..
 Once I develop enough research information and if a person has not been found, I tend to go out and search in person. This is why I focus on missing people within California.

I have seen our members out searching many times.. From Aruba to Florida and California.
I have seen them in protests and writing congress people. They are amazing people..

Never Give Up and Never Give In.




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 19, 2009, 09:23:53 PM
Edward I hope I didnt' post anything that was not within the forum's guidelines? If so, I will be happy to write privatly to the family about the letter campaign if they wish me too. Just let me know if I have over stepped by suggesting it.

That is great btw you would go searching yourself!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 19, 2009, 11:58:01 PM
You are doing great Tracygirl ..  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 20, 2009, 01:17:41 AM
Ampersand your photo comparisons are amazing..

I did just get a call from the detective in Auburn ..
He told me to contact detectives in Placer county sheriff department as they have the attempted abduction case although he was amazed at the comparison photo.
He said when the attempted abduction occurred, he himself and half his force drove all over the area checking every red 4 door truck they had come across. Never found the guy..
Nobody has identified the truck yet..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 20, 2009, 02:21:54 AM

  EDWARD  TRACYGIRL CHI MONKEY AMPERSAND  and any others I didn't name,    awesome work , all the details and pics are great.    Thank you for your dedication and your smarts! :salut:


As always, thoughts and prayers for Amber.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Ampersand on May 20, 2009, 12:36:57 PM
Cool! Now I have experience with awareness campaigns, not of this sort but they are all the same in principal if you ask me. As I have written on the Sandra Cantu thread....One clear message which answers the basic marketing questions.

1. what is the product (or message)
2. How  will it work for me (why should I care)
3. and why do I need it, (How can I help or what should I say in this case.)
All the while tugging on emotions.

So, you have an entire area to draw from. The more people writing and getting the attention the better, obviously. Making it as easy as possible for people is what will be needed. Not that people are lazy, but their time is limited.

Lets put a sample letter together so people have something to draw from and gather idea's from. It needs to be short, precise and to the point. the people reading these things read thousands of things  day. We need to use language which grabs them and grabs emotional strings. With the media, we use their need for ratings to our advantage. We make the story as compelling and heart wrenching as we can. (I know this sounds terrible but it is reality). After we do this, we ask everyone we know to help! People want to help, most people don't know what to do. 

Another idea is an online petition to politicians and also to the media as a cry for attention for this story. these are easy to get siggys for as long as it is something people care about, and they will care about this story.

I am sure other monkey's will have far more advice to offer, can anyone think of other things and ways to draw attention? Or maybe correct any of the suggestions I have made? I want to get this right.

This is great information - I'm working on the sample letter - I'll keep you posted!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 20, 2009, 12:40:50 PM
Ampersand your photo comparisons are amazing..

I did just get a call from the detective in Auburn ..
He told me to contact detectives in Placer county sheriff department as they have the attempted abduction case although he was amazed at the comparison photo.
He said when the attempted abduction occurred, he himself and half his force drove all over the area checking every red 4 door truck they had come across. Never found the guy..
Nobody has identified the truck yet..

Edward - thank you - I really just put together what seemed obvious to me - anything to bring Amber home.  We're working independently on more data as well - I'll release the information as soon as I'm authorized - you understand ~  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 20, 2009, 02:29:32 PM
In Theory ..Yes I am crazy... ::MonkeyCool::
 Just something to consider and maybe throw out.

IF it is the same suspects as in the San Bernardino kidnap of the 3 year old boy..
 Which had a Blue Bronco, although that could have been anyone's vehicle, they could have borrowed it or both men have a vehicle of there own..

Also in Theory..That these 2 men actually are members of a cartel out of Mexico and sometimes can be referred to as the Mexican Mafia..
Then they would be runners.. soldiers..
Given task and accomplishing missions handed to them by others..
While they are in between JOBS .. We see various incidents of them inside of America attacking innocent girls.. In Serial behaviors.
FACT: These cartel gang members have often times been trained by ex military personal. It is a fact that members are put through boot camps designed to make them into soldiers and trained to murder, kidnap and extort information through torture.. They are terrorists.

In news media reports
A white van .. seen from San Diego to Los Angeles with 2 or 3 different males attempting to get females into the van, I have read 6 different incidents of this van..
A blue Bronco seen in one abduction of a 3 year old boy in San bernardino
A maroon or red 4 door pick up seen in Escondido to Sacramento/Auburn

So assuming this may be who has taken Amber..
What would have been there route if they had Business relative to Drugs in San Bernardino and someplace like Reno  and they wanted to stay off the main highway system and out of view of police..

So again in theory ..

After the abduction of Amber in Escondido What direction may they take.. ?

These soldiers stay at other cartel/ gang members homes ? There are gang/cartel members everywhere.. They stay with there own kind arranged through contacts..
 
Here is a direction tahat would take them north of escondido and headding for San Bernadino

1. Head west on CA-78 W  295 ft
2. Take the exit onto I-15 N toward Riverside  31.2 mi
3. Slight right at I-215 N (signs for San Bernardino/I-215/Riverside)  35.0 mi
4. Take the exit onto I-215 N  20.6 mi
5. Merge onto I-15 N  15.0 mi
6. Exit onto US-395 toward Bishop/Adelanto
Entering Nevada  392 mi
7. Continue on N Carson St  2.3 mi
8. Take the ramp onto N Carson St/US-395
Continue to follow US-395  17.7 mi
9. Take the ramp to N Reno  0.6 mi
10. Merge onto US-395 N  8.9 mi
11. Take exit 68 to merge onto I-80 W toward Reno  1.9 mi
12. Take exit 13 toward Virginia St  0.2 mi
13. Merge onto E 8th St  0.1 mi
14. Turn left at US-395/N Virginia St  0.3 mi

 Reno, NV 

 Then they take 50 or 80 into Auburn and after the failed attempt on the girl in Auburn they drive down 5 all the way to Mexico and drop the boy off in the streets of Mexicali after hearing how hot he is..
They are not stupid.. and now they hide and reside in a Mexico home base again..

Look at map here..

http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4GGIC_enUS317US317&q=map%20escondido%20to%20reno&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wl

It is just something to consider.. All in theory.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 20, 2009, 02:37:40 PM
OK .. That whole thing completely failed !! map directions and all..

Back to the drawing board..  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on May 20, 2009, 04:09:39 PM

Oh Edward.. LOL    We all know how you feel.  With all confidence in you, I'll be back in a while, and I'll bet you have those maps up for us.

Thanks for all the work you do for the missing and their families.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Chi-M


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 20, 2009, 04:20:16 PM
I will have to do it tonight after I get home.. This computer at work does not cooperate with me at times.. lol

But the route is direct from escondido to San bernardino then out through victorville across the desert floor and up 395 through Bishop and the mountain range ..Out of sight and out of the minds of police as most all searches were being done in south California for the boy and Mexico..meanwhile they are probably in Reno or some place like that and they drop the bronco and travel only in the red pickup as they come down 80 into auburn area.. Then it is straight down 5 to Mexico and home free in Mexicali.
 The search for Amber should follow that path between Escondido and San Bernadino ?
I do not think they had Amber with them when they had posetion of the boy..
A officer or his mom could show the photos of amber to the boy to see if she was with them..
Anyways it was just an idea..



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 20, 2009, 05:58:31 PM
Placer County Sheriff office..

530-889-7800  #4
2929 Richardson Dr.
Auburn California 95603


 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 20, 2009, 10:58:36 PM
Ampersand your photo comparisons are amazing..

I did just get a call from the detective in Auburn ..
He told me to contact detectives in Placer county sheriff department as they have the attempted abduction case although he was amazed at the comparison photo.
He said when the attempted abduction occurred, he himself and half his force drove all over the area checking every red 4 door truck they had come across. Never found the guy..
Nobody has identified the truck yet..

I have no idea if this is in any way related to Amber's disappearance - but I do so appreciate Monkey eyes, evaulation and input so here it is:

It has been reported that the driver of a "red" crew cab pickup has allegedly been involved in two child molestations at different super stores in San Diego county -

http://www.kusi.com/home/45549497.html

You may need to cut and paste the URL to make it work.

Again - Monkey input is so greatly appreciated.

Edward - I do hope none of my previous postings were "out of bounds" - it is certainly not my intent. 

Thanks!    ::MonkeyCool::

Edit per Ampersand


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 20, 2009, 10:59:55 PM
I probably should've written "driver" instead of "owner"

Fixed. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 21, 2009, 12:22:43 AM
You are wonderful Ampersand for giving us the opportunity to assist..

There are members here who can do wonders with this video as in getting snap shots and posting it of both the man in the video and possibly his license plate number.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 21, 2009, 12:25:57 AM
http://www.kusi.com/home/45549497.html?video=YHI&t=a


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on May 21, 2009, 09:33:43 AM
I'm wondering about the description "red".  If I said I saw a red pickup, I would mean fire engine red.  If I saw a maroon pickup, I would describe it as maroon or burgundy.  I think either some people can't see the difference in color, or don't know how to describe it properly.  In the video of the truck at the bus garage, did the truck have a lockable tool compartment in the back like the truck at Walmart?  Definitely something that someone in the construction business would have. 

Ambersand & Ambersgrandmom ~ I'm sending you a special hug today.  I think of you and Amber all of the time and pray.  May God give you strength and bring Amber home. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 21, 2009, 12:08:33 PM
Here are the Web Sleuths images courtesy of member, Cloudajo



*bump for comparison of trucks*


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 21, 2009, 12:11:46 PM
Sorry the pics didn't post. Page 16 #307 there is still photos from the truck at the school.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 21, 2009, 12:17:10 PM
I did a comparison, zooming in on both trucks, I don't think they are the same. The walmart truck does not have the same chrome on the sides from what I can tell.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 21, 2009, 12:48:58 PM
Hi Ampersand

 Has anything turned up in last weeks search or any new leads come up in the last week ?
 You do not have to go into detail if not permitted but just wondering..

Thanks  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 21, 2009, 01:07:37 PM
I'm wondering about the description "red".  If I said I saw a red pickup, I would mean fire engine red.  If I saw a maroon pickup, I would describe it as maroon or burgundy.  I think either some people can't see the difference in color, or don't know how to describe it properly.  In the video of the truck at the bus garage, did the truck have a lockable tool compartment in the back like the truck at Walmart?  Definitely something that someone in the construction business would have. 

Ambersand & Ambersgrandmom ~ I'm sending you a special hug today.  I think of you and Amber all of the time and pray.  May God give you strength and bring Amber home. 

Firstly, from my mom and I - thank you and hugs back!  Secondly - I agree - Fire Engine Red - is a universally known color.  Maroon and burgundy are more difficult to pin down or differentiate between - but it definately rules out "fire engine red" - if that makes any sense?  We had several email tips regarding this new video from the superstore parking lot and I thought it was worth reviewing since chrome accessories can be easily added or removed.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 21, 2009, 01:10:12 PM
Hi Ampersand

 Has anything turned up in last weeks search or any new leads come up in the last week ?
 You do not have to go into detail if not permitted but just wondering..

Thanks  ::MonkeyCool::

Edward - We're pushing very hard to have more descriptive information to provide - and we hope that will be very soon.  The minute I have anything - I'll post it here - I guarantee!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 21, 2009, 01:28:38 PM
I look for patterns of behavior..

The one pattern that keeps on top in my mind is the early morning abduction attack on the 16 year old girl in El Cajon.
I think early morning abductions are rare..

He was also in a stolen vehicle.. whicah means he could be driving anything on the day amber disappears..

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 21, 2009, 02:44:25 PM
I look for patterns of behavior..

The one pattern that keeps on top in my mind is the early morning abduction attack on the 16 year old girl in El Cajon.
I think early morning abductions are rare..

He was also in a stolen vehicle.. whicah means he could be driving anything on the day amber disappears..
 

Edward - I'm sorry - I'm totally blanking on the details of the El Cajon attack - can you provide a link?  Thank you!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 21, 2009, 03:00:29 PM
Police said Tuesday that a 27-year-old man was in custody on suspicion of abducting and raping a 16-year-old girl in the East County.
The man, Willie Kendall Williams, was arrested around 6 p.m. Monday at a relative's home in San Diego, El Cajon police Lt. Tim Henton said.

Williams allegedly forced the girl into a green older-model car in or near the 1100 block of East Main Street in El Cajon about 9 a.m. Monday, Lt. Steve Shakowski said.

According to the girl, Williams then drove a short distance, pulled over in an alley and sexually assaulted her before letting her go, he said.

The teen said she saw a pistol in the sedan, according to police.

The vehicle description given by the girl matched that of one stolen Monday morning about a mile from where the assault took place, Henton said.

Once Williams was identified as a suspect in the auto theft, his picture was included in a photo line-up shown to the girl who reported being assaulted, according to Henton. He said the girl identified Williams as her attacker.

Williams was booked into San Diego County Jail on suspicion of kidnapping for the purpose of sexual assault, forcible oral copulation with a juvenile and assault with a deadly weapon.


http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=9936708&nav=menu1607_2_1

Police need to see if this is relative to Amber LeeAnne DuBois. 
This fellow did a early morning attack on this girl and Amber went missing early A.M. 
He had stolen a vehicle. He could have stole one previous.. 
He had a gun. 
It is only 30 miles or so from Escondido. 
This guy was found in San Diego showing how willing he is to travel. 
Where was he on the day in question concerning Amber, possible he was seen on video surveillance in Escondido ?

I did contact and give this info to investigators ...




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 21, 2009, 03:08:43 PM
When you read this thread, all 21 pages, there has been may things that have happened..

The white van attacking girls is another pattern..

San Diego 
Redondo beach
Escondido
Los Angeles
 The white van with multiple people attempting to or actual attacks on girls.
It shows up quite a few times in news reports.

That is a pattern of behavior. Shows how willing they are to travel..

 
   


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 21, 2009, 03:33:53 PM
I have read all pages of this thread - and continue to go back and review - information comes at us very fast and I'm always wondering what I've missed - the data here is so beneficial.

The white van has shown up in multiple locations - problem being - the majority of utility vans are white - I'm not ruling anything out though.





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 21, 2009, 03:54:51 PM
Hi

Here is another pattern..

The cell phone was keyed for 20 seconds..  The culprits are nosey..

I have also recorded in these threads "user comments".. To Internet news articles relative to Amber.

Some of these people attack the family or try to show defects in others, trying to lead people away from the abduction thought, and into a run away scenario ..
The Escondido police actually fell for this early on in my opinion.


I did not post these to be mean or obnoctious..  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I posted them because I believe the culprits may have created those comments.
A path personality is a creature who is very inquisitive.. such as a Path that starts fires and watches all the fire trucks. A arsonist is a PATH personality.

So when you read those comments..You may be reading what the culprit wrote.
Maybe and maybe not but this is just the way I think..  ::MonkeyWink::
jmho


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 21, 2009, 04:13:30 PM
1 - When I try to respond utilizing a Quote that is more than a few sentences - the display area jumps and I can't see what I'm typing - is this just my computer and/or display?

2 - Edward - reason #1 for not using your quote when responding to this.

Yes, I saw that recently when reviewing this thread - that it could be the culprit posting comments to news articles etc - it's really helped to put me in a different frame of mind when reading those posts - to "read through" what could potentially be a clue.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 21, 2009, 04:33:21 PM
Thank You Ampersand... 

You are a very intelligent person.

I am happy to see that you understand why I am posting those items..
I was afraid you would be upset with me or misunderstand my intention/purpose.

I just tried to grab everything I could early on in this because ALL the answers are going to be found there in my opinion.
 Like that guy Williams attacking that girl early A.M. in El Cajon.
He is a very street smart guy and he would have to be hard pressed to admit anything. Even though the girl who was attacked positively identified him and they find the stolen car, he still adamantly denies being involved and would not allow his face to be viewed by court cameras.. I still do not have his picture ID
 The judge and the defense attorney are working against the public interest by not allowing his face to be seen in my opinion. You never know how many girls might come forward.
He has probably attacked many in my opinion.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 21, 2009, 04:47:48 PM
One of those News reader comments includes a name of a local Pub, the person who left the comment even knows what time the Pub is open.
 That post could have been the culprit, again making an attempt to lead people away.
That makes me suspicious of everyone who frequents that Pub..

I know I am crazy but I consider every angle.  It is not uncommon for a culprit to know the person they intend to attack or a family member. It gives them an inside edge to make a plan.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 21, 2009, 04:52:13 PM
Edward  are you in here right now?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 21, 2009, 04:54:57 PM
Yes


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 21, 2009, 04:59:14 PM
Yes

I saw an article today in the San Diego Tribune about a man who is being sought for 2 child molestings at different Wal Marts. The thing that caught my eye was the description of the truck he was seen getting into. Dark, possibly burgundy.
I didn't want to type out the whole article if it is not genuinly similar to the red truck seen in the bus yard. Does the one seen in the bus yard have a crew cab?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 21, 2009, 05:05:36 PM
Man ordered to stand trial in sexual assault of girl
UNION-TRIBUNE
2:00 a.m. May 19, 2009
EAST COUNTY COURTS — A pregnant 16-year-old girl told a judge yesterday that she was kidnapped while walking along East Main Street in El Cajon and was forced to perform a sex act by her abductor.
“When I said I was pregnant, he said he didn't care,” the girl testified in El Cajon Superior Court. “He was telling me to shut up.”
Willie Kendall Williams must stand trial on several felony charges, including kidnapping with the intent to commit a sex crime, forcible oral copulation, rape with a foreign object and car theft, El Cajon Superior Court Judge Louis R. Hanoian ruled.
The judged ordered Williams, 27, held without bail pending a trial July 27.
If convicted of all charges, Williams faces 30 years to life in prison, Deputy District Attorney Curtis Ross said.
The girl identified him within days of the attack from a series of photographs police showed her, but she didn't recognize him in court yesterday.She testified that she was walking along East Main Street between 7:45 and 8 a.m. March 2 when she was forced into a car by a man who offered to sell her jewelry. She said she was taken to a nearby apartment parking lot where she was forced to perform a sex act after the man threatened her with a gun, which turned out to be a replica. The girl said she was released in a nearby alley. –R.H.

~ Undoubtedly his defense attorney won't allow him to be photographed



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 21, 2009, 05:13:55 PM
Yes

I saw an article today in the San Diego Tribune about a man who is being sought for 2 child molestings at different Wal Marts. The thing that caught my eye was the description of the truck he was seen getting into. Dark, possibly burgundy.
I didn't want to type out the whole article if it is not genuinly similar to the red truck seen in the bus yard. Does the one seen in the bus yard have a crew cab?

I have been looking at that video.. I can't tell for sure.. aiat looks Red and not maroon.
The man involved is very visible in the video.. If anyone can get a screen shot of that face and enlarge it, it could be beneficial to catching him.. One way or the other he needs to be caught and dropped off a bridge, or something like that..
jmho


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 21, 2009, 05:20:08 PM
Yes

I saw an article today in the San Diego Tribune about a man who is being sought for 2 child molestings at different Wal Marts. The thing that caught my eye was the description of the truck he was seen getting into. Dark, possibly burgundy.
I didn't want to type out the whole article if it is not genuinly similar to the red truck seen in the bus yard. Does the one seen in the bus yard have a crew cab?

I have been looking at that video.. I can't tell for sure.. aiat looks Red and not maroon.
The man involved is very visible in the video.. If anyone can get a screen shot of that face and enlarge it, it could be beneficial to catching him.. One way or the other he needs to be caught and dropped off a bridge, or something like that..
jmho

  THanks, I didn't see a video, just the article and my computer is acting all squirrelly in here.  Typing and posting is jumpy, but yes I'd be very happy to readjust this dudes attitude permanently.

Ok, it was the first I'd heard of this and thought it may be pertinent. So many creepy evil ppl. out in da world. Take care, keep up the good fight.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 21, 2009, 05:29:53 PM
Man ordered to stand trial in sexual assault of girl
UNION-TRIBUNE
2:00 a.m. May 19, 2009
EAST COUNTY COURTS — A pregnant 16-year-old girl told a judge yesterday that she was kidnapped while walking along East Main Street in El Cajon and was forced to perform a sex act by her abductor.
“When I said I was pregnant, he said he didn't care,” the girl testified in El Cajon Superior Court. “He was telling me to shut up.”
Willie Kendall Williams must stand trial on several felony charges, including kidnapping with the intent to commit a sex crime, forcible oral copulation, rape with a foreign object and car theft, El Cajon Superior Court Judge Louis R. Hanoian ruled.
The judged ordered Williams, 27, held without bail pending a trial July 27.
If convicted of all charges, Williams faces 30 years to life in prison, Deputy District Attorney Curtis Ross said.
The girl identified him within days of the attack from a series of photographs police showed her, but she didn't recognize him in court yesterday.She testified that she was walking along East Main Street between 7:45 and 8 a.m. March 2 when she was forced into a car by a man who offered to sell her jewelry. She said she was taken to a nearby apartment parking lot where she was forced to perform a sex act after the man threatened her with a gun, which turned out to be a replica. The girl said she was released in a nearby alley. –R.H.

~ Undoubtedly his defense attorney won't allow him to be photographed



He is very street smart .. I have come across many like him..
He has been sitting around that jail working on changing his appearance..
If they have no DNA .. He intends to go free.
You can see his demeanor with her in the car.. But he lets her go..
Where was he 2 weeks prior ? Did he commit an act of murder 2 weeks earlier ?
By letting her go, he creates an illusion that he would not harm somebody beyond rape ?

I hate the guy... lol, sorry

The cell phone going off the next day would mean he would have had to have spent the night in Escondido unless he on purposely came back and fired up the cell phone for the sole purpose of misleading investigators.. The crime committed to the south and he turns on the cell phone to the north..

His Photo early on, may have given police the edge when looking at security videos at local stores and gas stations..somebody may have seen him in Escondido and recognised him.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 21, 2009, 05:30:37 PM

 I guess I better include the source in case anybody wants to read it : The San Diego Tribune, Thursday,May 21, 2009
                                                                                                Section B2 under crime watch
                                                                                                Child molester Strikes at two local Wal Marts   


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 21, 2009, 05:37:24 PM
Thank You for considering it mizjay


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 21, 2009, 09:20:30 PM
What comments are you referring to Edward?

When did that girl get attacked by the man who is on trial?

Ampersand did you wish to go ahead with the letter campaign? If you need help, please let me know.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 21, 2009, 09:24:04 PM
I just saw this on the news and found this article.  This type of news is always so shocking:



BLOCKED WEBSITE
~ I pray it brings peace to some family.  I, for one, will be holding my breath until the autopsy results are released.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 21, 2009, 09:27:44 PM
What comments are you referring to Edward?
When did that girl get attacked by the man who is on trial?
Ampersand did you wish to go ahead with the letter campaign? If you need help, please let me know.

Tracygirl - I'm working on a draft of a letter that is easily adapted for everyones use for the campaign - but as you can imagine I'm working on many things at once.  But - please keep on me - sometimes it is literally the energy of others that keeps me (and my family) moving forward when we think we cannot!  ::MonkeyAngel::  Trust me, I'm not afraid to ask for help - thank you  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 21, 2009, 09:31:00 PM
Tracygirl -

If you have a sample letter draft already from your experience I'd be happy to edit - that might make this move more quickly - time is our enemy!  You can email anything thru Amber's website.  Just a thought - thank you!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 21, 2009, 09:36:31 PM
Police said Tuesday that a 27-year-old man was in custody on suspicion of abducting and raping a 16-year-old girl in the East County.
The man, Willie Kendall Williams, was arrested around 6 p.m. Monday at a relative's home in San Diego, El Cajon police Lt. Tim Henton said.

Williams allegedly forced the girl into a green older-model car in or near the 1100 block of East Main Street in El Cajon about 9 a.m. Monday, Lt. Steve Shakowski said.

According to the girl, Williams then drove a short distance, pulled over in an alley and sexually assaulted her before letting her go, he said.

The teen said she saw a pistol in the sedan, according to police.

The vehicle description given by the girl matched that of one stolen Monday morning about a mile from where the assault took place, Henton said.

Once Williams was identified as a suspect in the auto theft, his picture was included in a photo line-up shown to the girl who reported being assaulted, according to Henton. He said the girl identified Williams as her attacker.

Williams was booked into San Diego County Jail on suspicion of kidnapping for the purpose of sexual assault, forcible oral copulation with a juvenile and assault with a deadly weapon.


http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=9936708&nav=menu1607_2_1

Police need to see if this is relative to Amber LeeAnne DuBois. 
This fellow did a early morning attack on this girl and Amber went missing early A.M. 
He had stolen a vehicle. He could have stole one previous.. 
He had a gun. 
It is only 30 miles or so from Escondido. 
This guy was found in San Diego showing how willing he is to travel. 
Where was he on the day in question concerning Amber, possible he was seen on video surveillance in Escondido ?

I did contact and give this info to investigators ...

***BUMP***


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 21, 2009, 09:36:40 PM
I just saw this on the news and found this article.  This type of news is always so shocking:



BLOCKED WEBSITE

~ I pray it brings peace to some family.  I, for one, will be holding my breath until the autopsy results are released.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


This must make your heart sink to your toes. We are here for you, I have a cyber hand on your shoulder as I know every monkey on here does.

Did your detective call to get more information for you all?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 21, 2009, 09:47:53 PM
I just saw this on the news and found this article.  This type of news is always so shocking:

BLOCKED WEBSITE
~ I pray it brings peace to some family.  I, for one, will be holding my breath until the autopsy results are released.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


This must make your heart sink to your toes. We are here for you, I have a cyber hand on your shoulder as I know every monkey on here does.

Did your detective call to get more information for you all?

EPD has been notified by family personally - one would expect and hope that the "system" would have done it already.  While my niece is missing - I take nothing for granted - there is no such thing as too much information in these cases.  Monkeys know that.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 21, 2009, 09:48:43 PM
I just saw this on the news and found this article.  This type of news is always so shocking:

BLOCKED WEBSITE
~ I pray it brings peace to some family.  I, for one, will be holding my breath until the autopsy results are released.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


There are a lot of people missing in that desert.. I am holding my breath too.
So many people need to know..

That is detective Steve P. phone number..Not his direct line but his office..
 I just called Gloria Denton, who has been searching for her daughter April Beth Pitzer.. There is also another woman who is searching for her mom in this area..

Thanks for the 411 on this Ampersand.. I passed it along


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 21, 2009, 09:53:14 PM
Tracygirl - My mind is spinning with so much information - my bad - I posted without thanking you for your compassion - it is truly appreciated - from everyone!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 21, 2009, 09:54:53 PM
By the way..The "System" is cracked !!  ::MonkeyEek::
Sorry ...
That is why I say to be a pest, call and ask question or inform..

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 21, 2009, 09:55:20 PM
I just saw this on the news and found this article.  This type of news is always so shocking:

BLOCKED WEBSITE
~ I pray it brings peace to some family.  I, for one, will be holding my breath until the autopsy results are released.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


There are a lot of people missing in that desert.. I am holding my breath too.
So many people need to know..

That is detective Steve P. phone number..Not his direct line but his office..
 I just called Gloria Denton, who has been searching for her daughter April Beth Pitzer.. There is also another woman who is searching for her mom in this area..

Thanks for the 411 on this Ampersand.. I passed it along


Hands in Prayer that some family finds peace in this horrific tragedy ~


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 21, 2009, 10:03:50 PM
By the way..The "System" is cracked !!  ::MonkeyEek::
Sorry ...
That is why I say to be a pest, call and ask question or inform..

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyWink::

We are!  I don't know if it's come up, but my mother - "Ambersgrandmom" - is a trial attorney - we are in LE's face - we won't back down - but we are on foreign ground - which is why the information and tips SM gathers is so very important,

The information provided here and on other sites is invaluable - Please understand, when I thank the contributors here - I am fully aware of how much you have provided and truly, truly thankful!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 21, 2009, 10:24:06 PM
I will work on a sample letter. I am not the best writer but you can clean it up   ::MonkeyWink::  I will email through the website.

If there is another smarter monkey on here that can draw up a sample letter to send out in an email blast to contacts, asking for them to email all of the talking head shows, please let me know. We need something to grab the attention so this story gets out there.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 21, 2009, 10:38:24 PM
hi all, tracy has asked if some of us on the cantu thread could come over and take a look at this case.  I will read back all the pages and see if I can help.  give me awhile.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 21, 2009, 11:47:48 PM
You do not have to thank us Ampersand.. I and others are here for you.
We are the only nation on Earth, that is One nation under God.
Indivisible with Liberty and Justice for ALL. We are all of one family. The American family.
Your Niece is our daughter, You and your Mom are our sisters.
Everyone here has something to contribute and we have thousands of members.

I see doubledecker stepping in and I think that is a Great Thing..

I am a member of Scared Monkeys and Web Sleuths and Blogs for Natalee and I love these people,They Are Great Americans.

Ask anyone in Aruba who we are ..They know us and they are Ferfraid of us. ::MonkeyWink::
We demand justice !


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 22, 2009, 01:12:41 AM
Ampersand I email you a sample letter to the inbox from the website. Please let me know if you don't receive it.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 22, 2009, 01:16:51 AM

OMG  I am so sorry that I blasted in here this afternoon with the "bombshell" about the maroon truck from the Wal Mart incidents.  I just now took the time to read back thru the last pages and I see that it was old news. Ya'll  were kind enough to not throw nanners at me for being a day late and a dollar short, for that I thank you but I do apologize.  My excitement overtook good sense but I so want someone to find that one elusive clue that will bring Amber home.

On the letter campaign, a really terrific person to contact regarding this is DOLCE here at SM. She has amazing skill at finding the right ppl. to approach for help in publicizing the cases that are not as "sensational" as others. She has done a lot to get the word out about Adji Desir whose case was sort of eclipsed by Caylee and Haleigh, however as you all probably know, she's pregnant with twins and due soon, so catch her quick!

j


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 22, 2009, 01:18:43 AM
I have thoroughly read and studied through pages 13 posts, read all the articles and everything on the links.  I will go through the remaining pages in the morning.  my eyes are closing ugh.  Then I will get on here and help brainstorm or try to figure out something.  Thanks for inviting me to this case.  I had noticed amber's case but never had time to really look at it.  Glad to be looking at it now.  I'll be back tomorrow after I catch up with all the pages. 

night.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 22, 2009, 01:33:48 AM
Thank you so much DD  for looking this over. I know how busy you are with the sandra case. I really appreciate it.

MizJay that is great advice! I will try to hunt her down in the forum somewhere. thanks!

I also saw Northern Rose in here, hello NorRose! thank you for reading, you have been so busy with the victoria case  I appreciate your taking the time. 

Hello everyone else! I can't see who is on here while posting. I appreciate your accepting my invitation to read about Amber. Thanks


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 22, 2009, 02:12:06 AM
Thank you so much DD  for looking this over. I know how busy you are with the sandra case. I really appreciate it.

MizJay that is great advice! I will try to hunt her down in the forum somewhere. thanks!

I also saw Northern Rose in here, hello NorRose! thank you for reading, you have been so busy with the victoria case  I appreciate your taking the time. 

Hello everyone else! I can't see who is on here while posting. I appreciate your accepting my invitation to read about Amber. Thanks
  I saw your post in the Caylee thread, I threw a shout out to her also. It's a good thing you're trying to do, I've written so many letters regarding the Anthonys, all negative, that it will actually be a refreshing change to speak of the positive upbeat personality that Amber has. I'm putting my hopes and prayers that some of these talking heads will showcase this.
                                                                                                                                                                 :smt051


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 22, 2009, 02:21:22 AM
Thank you MizJay! I pray too we can get this out there. I appreciate your wanting to help!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Dolce on May 22, 2009, 09:08:12 AM
Was someone looking for me? 

Sorry, I am not as familiar with this case as I would like to be.  Let me read back.  :)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 22, 2009, 09:31:36 AM
I am writing a letter to Greta asking her to spotlight this case. I hope she recieves other letters requesting the same.. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: darla on May 22, 2009, 10:07:44 AM
Good Morning Monkeys and Guest!!!!

I am in S.C. But what can I do to help??? Not good at researching but can really do some emails. Haven't had a chance to read back on Amber, but my heart goes out to her family. (((((((((HUGS)))))))))) and God Bless!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 22, 2009, 11:09:21 AM
Everyone can help by writing to the the shows that spot light these cases. We need attention for this case and everyone to know Amber is missing.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on May 22, 2009, 11:20:36 AM
Quote from: Dolce link=topic=4583.msg 816455#msg 816455 date=1242997692
Was someone looking for me? 

Sorry, I am not as familiar with this case as I would like to be.  Let me read back.  :)
Thank you so much for stopping in. I was told you are one of the best in getting attention for a case! Amber has been missing since Feb, she is a sweet girl, her family misses her so much...you can feel it when visiting the website and reading the posts here. they are a good family and one which loves Amber very much. I think because there is no drama that is why the case has not grabbed national media. Amber didn't leave without permission, the family is the average American family, no suspected drug use, just every day people. for goodness sakes, Amber was on her way to buy a little lamb to raise!
My feeling is we need to grab the media's attention by getting an emotional connection, make people understand this can happen to even a normal, everyday American family,  just like there's. How can we make "No drama" =  attention in your opinion?
One thing I believe would grab attention is maybe using the possible connection to the truck, sketches of Braints kidnappers against the kidnapping attempt in Auburn and oh gosh where was that, redondo  beach or something like that.

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 22, 2009, 11:27:35 AM
Ampersand here is your answer on the body found..

Coroner case 700903374 VN: On Monday, May 18, 2009, a crew performing a survey in the desert west of Primm, Nevada, came upon human skeletal remains west of the Interstate 15 Freeway. The Sheriff Department was notified of the discovery Wednesday morning (May 20, 2009), and recovered the remains that same day. Examinations will be conducted to determine the identity and cause of death. Anyone with information is urged to contact the San Bernardino County Sheriff Department - Coroner Division at 909-387-2978, or the Homicide Detail at 909-387-3589. [05/20/09 2057 VN] UPDATE 05/21/09: The skeletal remains were examined today by a forensic anthropologist and determined them to be of an adult male (designated "John Doe #40-09"), probably middle-aged. Additional examinations are scheduled. [05/21/09 1950 VN]



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 22, 2009, 11:28:30 AM
Tracygirl you are doing wonderful things.. Thank You.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 22, 2009, 12:28:15 PM
Tracygirl left a note in Tori Stafford's thread which is where I have been of late. As we await news on the search of Tori's reamins I have as well read this whole thread and made some notes.

First to Amber's aunt and grandma.  My heart goes out to you and your families.  Your messages show what love your family has for each other as well as Amber.  I will pray that Amber is safe until she can come home.  God has given you strength to endure this and we are all with you to help you.

Please forgive me if some of this has been addressed before, but it is what really stuck out to me as I read.

The first video of the truck backing up and pulling forward:
The white vehicle that pulls in has a logo on the drivers door.  Has LE found that driver and questioned them?  Is this someone that is typically at the bus lot at that time (going to work routine) and if so is it usual to see other vehicles there?  Have they seen that truck again?

The red truck did have a altered tailgate that either looked like it was to pull a 5th wheel or trailer.  Horse trailer came to mind.  Construction crews use them to store tools etc.  There was mention of contruction in the area.  Has LE taken the truck picture to the sites to see if it is recognized? It could be a independent contractor that goes from site to site based on contracts rather than working with a crew.  This would explain the ability to not be remembered by a certain crew if they come in, do their craft, get paid and leave.

I am also wondering if there are camping/trailer facilities in the area.  Could the altered truck really be to pull a 5th wheel that the driver lives out of and has parked on a long term site?  I know that is common down there to lease a site to have your camper/trailer/5th wheel on especially for snowbirds from Canada.  Has LE canvased the trailer/camping facilities to see if there is someone with a similar truck, or if a new girl has been seen around?

Cell phone.  Can you check based on make and model if you can set it up to automatically check voice mail/message when you turn it on.  On my cell I can and have it set that way.  Wondering if Amber had her phone set the same way and when it was powered on it went to check messages, did the audible acknowledgment that there were new messages which caused it to be turned off immediately. 

Amber walked to school that morning with gifts for some of her friends.  Have these been found?  Not knowing what the gifts where I am jumping here, but my daughter would give her friends friendship bracelets, pins, etc.  If they were similar gifts have the kids at her school/area been asked if any of them have seen someone with a new bracelet etc that they may have found? 

In regards to the morning abduction attempts.  That to me smells of someone who may work evenings and is doing this after getting off work.  It is unusual to happen in the morning without upsetting work schedules and triggering suspicions.  What type of evening work is in that area?  I have not mapped the dates on a  calendar to see day of week that these have taken place, but there may be a pattern if someone has done it please share. 

Thank you for all your work on this Edward!






Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: canadianmonkey on May 22, 2009, 12:28:38 PM
I'm aware that Illinois is quite the distance from California, but this struck me as almost the same description as the truck that may be involved with Amber.  The date is last August.  Not sure if this is helpful or not.


Two More Attempted Child Abductions Reported In Winnebago County
Reported by: Bob Ryder
Monday, Aug 4, 2008 @06:11pm CST


 (Winnebago County)There are two More reports of possible attempted kidnappings in the Stateline today. The latest cases are being reported at West Lake Village and in the town of Winnebago. On Saturday a 13-year-old girl was in the neighborhood park near the beach at West Lake Village when she was approached by a man in a red pickup truck. Police say the girl told her mom that the man asked her to "help him with something" When she refused, the suspect reached toward her and that's when the teen screamed and ran away. The suspect got back into his truck and drove away. He's described as a white male, in his 40s driving a red pick up truck with chrome running boards. The second incident happened on July 30th at the McNair School playground when a man in a SUV asked a 13 year old girl for help in finding his dog. when the girl refused the man drive off. Winnebago Police Chief Todd Stockburger says, "Since then we've and some active patrols keeping their eyes out for a dark SUV.....parents do need to talk to their kids about incidents like this and tell them to report them as soon as possible." The investigations into both incidents are continuing


Edit to add link per canadianmonkey: http://mystateline.com/content/fulltext/?cid=17751


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 12:39:47 PM
Ampersand here is your answer on the body found..

Coroner case 700903374 VN: On Monday, May 18, 2009, a crew performing a survey in the desert west of Primm, Nevada, came upon human skeletal remains west of the Interstate 15 Freeway. The Sheriff Department was notified of the discovery Wednesday morning (May 20, 2009), and recovered the remains that same day. Examinations will be conducted to determine the identity and cause of death. Anyone with information is urged to contact the San Bernardino County Sheriff Department - Coroner Division at 909-387-2978, or the Homicide Detail at 909-387-3589. [05/20/09 2057 VN] UPDATE 05/21/09: The skeletal remains were examined today by a forensic anthropologist and determined them to be of an adult male (designated "John Doe #40-09"), probably middle-aged. Additional examinations are scheduled. [05/21/09 1950 VN]

***exhale***  Prayers for his soul and peace to his family.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 22, 2009, 12:41:56 PM
Inside the Escondido Police Department there are 12 binders in a locked room.  The binders contain the investigative information collected by detectives during the past 3 months that Amber Dubois has been missing.

"Our typical homicide case, even a multiple homicide case might fill one or two binders,"said Lt. Bob Benton.  He says more than 20 detectives from Escondido Police have worked on the case, which has consumed countless hours of investigation.  "It's very frustrating to put the amount of hours and resources into this case and yet to determine exactly what happened that morning,"said Benton.

On February 13th, Amber Dubois disappeared while walking to Escondido High School.  She was last seen with an unknown teenage boy about a hundred yards from the school.  Since then, detectives have been collecting information about Amber.  "Anything that could help find her,"Benton said.

Inside the 12 binders there are transcripts to more than 500 interviews with people who know Amber or claim to have seen her.  There are photocopies of Amber's last emails.  There are also pictures of clothing found near Amber's home like a blue sweater that turned out to be nothing.  Pictures of shoes, the same type that Amber was wearing, so investigators know what to look for if they find footprints.  There are also 900 tips that detectives have spent months tracking down, to see if they led to the missing girl.  "One tipster thought they saw Amber in a semi-truck, coming across the Mexico border in Tecate.  Our investigators not only found the truck but talked to the driver and the girl who looked similar to Amber, but wasn't her,"said Benton. 

The lieutenant says the family of Amber Dubois has criticized the police department for not doing enough.  He says that's not true, and the 12 binders prove it.  Lt. Benton also says more than a dozen outside agencies have helped out in the case including the F.B.I.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/ExclusiveAmber-Dubois-Case-Files.html




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 22, 2009, 01:09:13 PM
there is a good interview with the mom to go along with the article. Can someone enbed it? I have no idea how to do that.

Ambers family, this would be good to include on your website. Putting a the moms face with the story will help make it personal.

thank you edward for posting the report, glad it is not related to this case. My prayers go out to the mans family though.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on May 22, 2009, 01:40:01 PM
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/syndication?id=43621232&path=%2Fnews%2Flocal

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/ExclusiveAmber-Dubois-Case-Files.html

Call me cynical but I think the 12 binders came from Ambersgrandmom.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 01:54:12 PM
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/syndication?id=43621232&path=%2Fnews%2Flocal

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/ExclusiveAmber-Dubois-Case-Files.html

Call me cynical but I think the 12 binders came from Ambersgrandmom.

When family met with LE about a month ago - there were at least 9 binders - so 12 doesn't seem out of the realm of possibilities now.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 01:55:51 PM
Everyone can help by writing to the the shows that spot light these cases. We need attention for this case and everyone to know Amber is missing.

TG - thank you for emailing your sample letter - it's exactly what I needed to get started - I've made a few edits and I'm putting together as comprehensive a list of shows/media contacts as possible to send out with the letter.  I'll forward ASAP. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Dolce on May 22, 2009, 02:29:24 PM
Tracygirl - I have found that we have power in numbers, regardless of the drama factor.  If there are enough "viewers" who want to raise the ratings for the shows they will put out what it is that the viewers want. 

I will put something together and run around the cages asking that everyone write in.  That is a way to start.  Also, local media can do wonders too...that is another thing to look at, just because they may be small time, the big time pays a lot of people to watch everything and pick up what they consider to be of worth. 

AMW, Nancy Grace, and Greta seem to be the best bet for this case...IMO.  Does anyone else have any suggestions??


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 02:38:46 PM
I'm compiling email addresses of national media that have been in contact via Amber's website - which I will post here with the sample letter etc.

Amber's website has been previously contacted by a tv network in Mexico - a bilingual letter campaign would be tremendous.  Is that possible? 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 22, 2009, 02:52:36 PM
okay, I have now read up and studied up on everything in this thread, and also whatever is in any of the links etc. 
Her walk started on Paradise? is that correct?
And did they have trailing dogs follow her scent to see where she went and where her trail ended?  Please do not tell me they did not do that


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Dolce on May 22, 2009, 03:03:27 PM
::MonkeyDance::A CALL TO MONKEY ACTION - AMBER DUBOIS ::MonkeyDance::

Please help raise awareness for this missing teen who’s story has never been told as others have.  Please help give Amber the chance to come home.  I have made it so easy for you to shoot an email over to Greta and Nancy.  Also, links to post and send comments.  Please take a moment to do this for her family who are active Monkeys.
TIA


SEND A COMMENT:

Nancy Grace:
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?81

America’s Most Wanted:
http://www.amw.com/contact%5Fus/

Greta:
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/05/22/open-thread-and-a-question/#comments


SEND AN EMAIL: (Simply copy and paste into your “To” section of email)

TO:

nancy.grace@turner.com; viewerservices@foxnews.com

-----------

I am a faithfull long time viewer of your show.  I would like to call to your attention the case of Amber DuBois is a beautiful 13 y/o girl who went missing in Escondido, CA.
I want to hear more about this case.  I want to see her featured as a missing person.  This childs disappearance could happen to any family and it is scary!  Please research and air her story.

Regards,


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 22, 2009, 03:28:58 PM
::MonkeyDance::A CALL TO MONKEY ACTION - AMBER DUBOIS ::MonkeyDance::

Please help raise awareness for this missing teen who’s story has never been told as others have.  Please help give Amber the chance to come home.  I have made it so easy for you to shoot an email over to Greta and Nancy.  Also, links to post and send comments.  Please take a moment to do this for her family who are active Monkeys.
TIA


SEND A COMMENT:

Nancy Grace:
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?81

America’s Most Wanted:
http://www.amw.com/contact%5Fus/

Greta:
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/05/22/open-thread-and-a-question/#comments


SEND AN EMAIL: (Simply copy and paste into your “To” section of email)

TO:

nancy.grace@turner.com; viewerservices@foxnews.com

-----------

I am a faithfull long time viewer of your show.  I would like to call to your attention the case of Amber DuBois is a beautiful 13 y/o girl who went missing in Escondido, CA.
I want to hear more about this case.  I want to see her featured as a missing person.  This childs disappearance could happen to any family and it is scary!  Please research and air her story.

Regards,


Thank you!!!! Big monkey hug coming at you ((((((((((HUG)))))))))))  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: darla on May 22, 2009, 03:34:53 PM
My emails are sent out to all the links.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: trimmonthelake on May 22, 2009, 03:36:43 PM
I sent emails out to all links.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Dolce on May 22, 2009, 03:38:41 PM
Thanks Darla!!


Monkeys and Lurkers and Guests...it is not enough to sit here and read and post all day long if you are not willing to do something as simple as sending an email or post a comment requesting that media attention be brought to these cases.  It takes only a moment of your time to help save a childs entire life.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 03:47:07 PM
::MonkeyDance::A CALL TO MONKEY ACTION - AMBER DUBOIS ::MonkeyDance::

Please help raise awareness for this missing teen who’s story has never been told as others have.  Please help give Amber the chance to come home.  I have made it so easy for you to shoot an email over to Greta and Nancy.  Also, links to post and send comments.  Please take a moment to do this for her family who are active Monkeys.
TIA


SEND A COMMENT:

Nancy Grace:
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?81

America’s Most Wanted:
http://www.amw.com/contact%5Fus/

Greta:
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/05/22/open-thread-and-a-question/#comments


SEND AN EMAIL: (Simply copy and paste into your “To” section of email)

TO:

nancy.grace@turner.com; viewerservices@foxnews.com

-----------

I am a faithfull long time viewer of your show.  I would like to call to your attention the case of Amber DuBois is a beautiful 13 y/o girl who went missing in Escondido, CA.
I want to hear more about this case.  I want to see her featured as a missing person.  This childs disappearance could happen to any family and it is scary!  Please research and air her story.

Regards,


Amber is 14


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 03:51:40 PM
okay, I have now read up and studied up on everything in this thread, and also whatever is in any of the links etc. 
Her walk started on Paradise? is that correct?
And did they have trailing dogs follow her scent to see where she went and where her trail ended?  Please do not tell me they did not do that

Amber was reported missing late afternoon, Friday, February 13, 2009 - the day before Valentine's Day - and the long President's Day weekend.  It poured rain that weekend in So Cal - poured.  To my knowledge LE did not bring in dogs until sometime after Tuesday, Feb 17th - not much trail left after that I'm afraid.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: canadianmonkey on May 22, 2009, 03:52:09 PM
Thanks Darla!!


Monkeys and Lurkers and Guests...it is not enough to sit here and read and post all day long if you are not willing to do something as simple as sending an email or post a comment requesting that media attention be brought to these cases.  It takes only a moment of your time to help save a childs entire life.

Done.  Sent to all the links.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: no rose colored glasses on May 22, 2009, 03:53:31 PM
My emails have been sent, and hopefully Amber will be showcased on these programs, and others.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Dolce on May 22, 2009, 03:56:49 PM
Amber is 14
My apologies, I read 13 and it stuck in my mind. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 22, 2009, 04:01:06 PM
Emails were sent out to all links from KTF.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Dolce on May 22, 2009, 04:02:50 PM
Awesome guys!!  Keep up the good work!!!  Thank you all so very very very much!!!!!

 ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 22, 2009, 04:04:58 PM
has anyone taken the area of the cell phone ping, found the residents in that area, then cross referenced them to residents in the area by the school?  if not, I will start doing that.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Keepthefaith on May 22, 2009, 04:05:41 PM
Awesome guys!!  Keep up the good work!!!  Thank you all so very very very much!!!!!

 ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::

Anytime Dolce...We need to speak for those who have NO VOICE...

GOD BLESS THE MONKEY'S..... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 22, 2009, 04:06:07 PM
That was a good list of email addys I sent one to each of them..
Thank You Dolce  ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Dolce on May 22, 2009, 04:06:12 PM
Awesome guys!!  Keep up the good work!!!  Thank you all so very very very much!!!!!

 ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::

Anytime Dolce...We need to speak for those who have NO VOICE...

GOD BLESS THE MONKEY'S..... ::MonkeyAngel::
AMEN!!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 22, 2009, 04:12:19 PM
I have looked on the maps of the area for Paradise and the school.  There has to be a reason someone would "choose" this area to go find someone to kidnap, or a reason to be over in that area to begin with.  They either live there, or they know someone who does.  Or they have some kind of connection to that area. 

we have to ask ourselves, would someone come from a long ways away, come down the freeway and "choose" this area at random?  Would they look on a map for a school and decide to choose this one?  or, are they in that area all the time already and had been watching amber and know her routine. 

how close can someone get me to the ping?  an area, a street, a neighborhood?  I need to start gathering up everyone who lives in the area of the ping, then I will look over by where amber lived and the school and pull up everyone in that area and see if I can come up with a relative etc or some person connected in some way to both areas.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 22, 2009, 04:17:08 PM
does anyone off the top of their head or easy access to a list of street names and dates of the other abductions in the area or to any anyone thinks might be connected. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 22, 2009, 04:21:40 PM
Sent! Thank you again, I knew if I put out a call for help you all would come! Monkeys are good!


and for those who pray.... ::MonkeyAngel::

 :smt059  Dear God please let this be the answer to finding Amber. Please protect Amber and give her the strength she needs. Please send your angels down from heaven to help guide LE to where she is. Please protect the family and help them through this most difficult time.

You don't have to use mine, but if you pray please say a special prayer today for this young girl to be found and brought home.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 22, 2009, 04:25:05 PM
I notice old graffiti on the walls around the houses across the street from the school.  Are their gangs in this area, if so, norte or surreno? or ? I notice most of the sex offenders in the area are hispanic. 

I don't know how old the google maps for this area, but I am "driving" up and down the streets looking to see if at the time of the maps anyone owned the red truck or had it parked at their house etc.  Takes a lot of time, but you just never know.

another thing I am thinking of.  "IF" the red truck might have been involved, by now it would be long sold, moved far away, or repainted.  It might be a good idea to go to all the paint shops and asked if they repainted a red truck since the date of amber's disappearance.   Or are the ads still available in the area for sales of trucks?  how far back does craigslist go? 

if you think it really might be these guys you have the photos up on, I can try to find out all the locations they might have lived or have relatives etc, and we can try to see where else they might have been/went ?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mytime on May 22, 2009, 04:26:20 PM
Ok, I just sent mine!!  Thanks Dolce for the reminder!! (((hugs)))



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 04:28:29 PM
Amber is 14
My apologies, I read 13 and it stuck in my mind. 

It's all good - I appreciate your help  ::MonkeyDance::

I have additional email contacts:

((edit))


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 22, 2009, 04:29:33 PM
this guy is listed on vista, if he still lived there, amber would have walked right past that house.
http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?searchby=offender&id=18698144B7329&lang=ENGLISH


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 04:29:59 PM
 
   




 

 

 



Sample email:

Hello -

I am a faithfull, longtime viewer.  I would like to call to your attention the case of Amber Dubois  - this beautiful 14 year old girl who went missing in Escondido, CA .

I want to hear more about this case.  I want to see her featured as a missing person.  This childs disappearance could happen to any family and it is scary!  Please research and air her story.

Regards,
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 04:36:24 PM
I apologize for my erratic posts - I'm doing too much at once - as usual - Dolce great help - Doubledecker - I'm trying to get the answers for all of your questions.  All monkeys - you rock!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: hotping on May 22, 2009, 04:36:49 PM
I have sent emails to all the links in regards to Amber! Thanks for bringing this to My attention!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 22, 2009, 04:47:16 PM
Tracygirl left a note in Tori Stafford's thread which is where I have been of late. As we await news on the search of Tori's reamins I have as well read this whole thread and made some notes.

First to Amber's aunt and grandma.  My heart goes out to you and your families.  Your messages show what love your family has for each other as well as Amber.  I will pray that Amber is safe until she can come home.  God has given you strength to endure this and we are all with you to help you.

Please forgive me if some of this has been addressed before, but it is what really stuck out to me as I read.

The first video of the truck backing up and pulling forward:
The white vehicle that pulls in has a logo on the drivers door.  Has LE found that driver and questioned them?  Is this someone that is typically at the bus lot at that time (going to work routine) and if so is it usual to see other vehicles there?  Have they seen that truck again?

The red truck did have a altered tailgate that either looked like it was to pull a 5th wheel or trailer.  Horse trailer came to mind.  Construction crews use them to store tools etc.  There was mention of contruction in the area.  Has LE taken the truck picture to the sites to see if it is recognized? It could be a independent contractor that goes from site to site based on contracts rather than working with a crew.  This would explain the ability to not be remembered by a certain crew if they come in, do their craft, get paid and leave.

I am also wondering if there are camping/trailer facilities in the area.  Could the altered truck really be to pull a 5th wheel that the driver lives out of and has parked on a long term site?  I know that is common down there to lease a site to have your camper/trailer/5th wheel on especially for snowbirds from Canada.  Has LE canvased the trailer/camping facilities to see if there is someone with a similar truck, or if a new girl has been seen around?

Cell phone.  Can you check based on make and model if you can set it up to automatically check voice mail/message when you turn it on.  On my cell I can and have it set that way.  Wondering if Amber had her phone set the same way and when it was powered on it went to check messages, did the audible acknowledgment that there were new messages which caused it to be turned off immediately. 

Amber walked to school that morning with gifts for some of her friends.  Have these been found?  Not knowing what the gifts where I am jumping here, but my daughter would give her friends friendship bracelets, pins, etc.  If they were similar gifts have the kids at her school/area been asked if any of them have seen someone with a new bracelet etc that they may have found? 

In regards to the morning abduction attempts.  That to me smells of someone who may work evenings and is doing this after getting off work.  It is unusual to happen in the morning without upsetting work schedules and triggering suspicions.  What type of evening work is in that area?  I have not mapped the dates on a  calendar to see day of week that these have taken place, but there may be a pattern if someone has done it please share. 

Thank you for all your work on this Edward!






 NORTHERNROSE  great ideas!   I'm checking for long term rv rental sites and trying to think of jobs that might have a shift that gets off early am.    Hospital staff, security guard,there's a lot of night freeway work ( loud as heck by my place)



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 22, 2009, 04:48:43 PM
I notice old graffiti on the walls around the houses across the street from the school.  Are their gangs in this area, if so, norte or surreno? or ? I notice most of the sex offenders in the area are hispanic. 

I don't know how old the google maps for this area, but I am "driving" up and down the streets looking to see if at the time of the maps anyone owned the red truck or had it parked at their house etc.  Takes a lot of time, but you just never know.

another thing I am thinking of.  "IF" the red truck might have been involved, by now it would be long sold, moved far away, or repainted.  It might be a good idea to go to all the paint shops and asked if they repainted a red truck since the date of amber's disappearance.   Or are the ads still available in the area for sales of trucks?  how far back does craigslist go? 

if you think it really might be these guys you have the photos up on, I can try to find out all the locations they might have lived or have relatives etc, and we can try to see where else they might have been/went ?

There is some problems like many areas of the united states in Escondido

There was a knife attack on a 14 year old girl recently.. So something is up with that.
There is some amount of drug useage going on.
There are some problems with prostitution in the motels and on the streets.. samll stuff..
There was one missing woman of 71 years old some time back
But I have not seen a huge Gang Problem yet..
I am still monitoring the area and San Diego has all kinds of things happening Gangs Drugs Illegals and so much the F.B.I. has an office there..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 04:51:50 PM
I have looked on the maps of the area for Paradise and the school.  There has to be a reason someone would "choose" this area to go find someone to kidnap, or a reason to be over in that area to begin with.  They either live there, or they know someone who does.  Or they have some kind of connection to that area. 

we have to ask ourselves, would someone come from a long ways away, come down the freeway and "choose" this area at random?  Would they look on a map for a school and decide to choose this one?  or, are they in that area all the time already and had been watching amber and know her routine. 

how close can someone get me to the ping?  an area, a street, a neighborhood?  I need to start gathering up everyone who lives in the area of the ping, then I will look over by where amber lived and the school and pull up everyone in that area and see if I can come up with a relative etc or some person connected in some way to both areas.

I'm working on getting that info for you ASAP - thanks!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 22, 2009, 04:58:25 PM
The only thing we have on the ping so far is north Escondido. It really would be good to nail it down.

The red truck could be a stolen vehicle and a stolen vehicle list from San Diego to San bernadino would be a nice asset to own.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 22, 2009, 05:18:36 PM
sorry for so many questions, and take your time answering me.  I am just trying to get some background info of the area and what is going on there, who might be coming into that area for which reasons etc.  Who dislikes who, overall. 

also thinking about the tall, dark-skinned boy that "supposedly" amber might have been walking with.  IF there is such a person, where is he?  Is he ALSO MISSING? has anyone thought to see if there is a missing dark-skinned boy from somewhere? 

how far is the rincon rez? what high school do they go to? 

 Valley Center and Pauma Valley
what is this area like, where is it in relation to where amber lived, is it near?  would people from there come to her area? ---



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 22, 2009, 05:25:32 PM
Awesome everyone, just awesome! Thanks DD i know how busy you are.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 22, 2009, 05:28:12 PM
someone on when a child goes missing posted
boy missing from the UltaStar Cinema in La Costa on the sameday, as amber went missing.  Anyone know anything about this?  let me see if I can find out who he might be.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 22, 2009, 05:28:38 PM
Thank you so much Dolce as always you are the sweetest and best at getting all the monkeys attention on these emails.

Mine have been sent.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 22, 2009, 05:33:08 PM
sorry for so many questions, and take your time answering me.  I am just trying to get some background info of the area and what is going on there, who might be coming into that area for which reasons etc.  Who dislikes who, overall. 

also thinking about the tall, dark-skinned boy that "supposedly" amber might have been walking with.  IF there is such a person, where is he?  Is he ALSO MISSING? has anyone thought to see if there is a missing dark-skinned boy from somewhere? 

how far is the rincon rez? what high school do they go to? 

 Valley Center and Pauma Valley
what is this area like, where is it in relation to where amber lived, is it near?  would people from there come to her area? ---



DD  valley center and pauma valley have many hidden areas. Much of it is "ruralish", ranch type ares overall. Some desert like terrain, some trees, some orchards. That's what I've seen, I worked for fedex delivery in that area briefly


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 22, 2009, 05:44:08 PM
The only thing we have on the ping so far is north Escondido. It really would be good to nail it down.

The red truck could be a stolen vehicle and a stolen vehicle list from San Diego to San bernadino would be a nice asset to own.

so I am wondering, would north escondido be called "north county" to locals?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 05:46:37 PM
The only thing we have on the ping so far is north Escondido. It really would be good to nail it down.

The red truck could be a stolen vehicle and a stolen vehicle list from San Diego to San bernadino would be a nice asset to own.

so I am wondering, would north escondido be called "north county" to locals?

Locals refer to that entire area as North County:  Escondido, San Marcos, Vista etc - as in North County San Diego


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 22, 2009, 05:49:09 PM
The only thing we have on the ping so far is north Escondido. It really would be good to nail it down.

The red truck could be a stolen vehicle and a stolen vehicle list from San Diego to San bernadino would be a nice asset to own.

so I am wondering, would north escondido be called "north county" to locals?

Locals refer to that entire area as North County:  Escondido, San Marcos, Vista etc - as in North County San Diego

oh ok, thanks, that helps me to understand a bit where I need to be looking for things


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: CarolF on May 22, 2009, 05:50:33 PM
Dolce and Amp, working on emails right now thank you for the information and making it so easy to send them.

I pray and hope someway this will help and some media coverage will be coming soon.

Good work monkeys keep it up!!
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 22, 2009, 05:51:10 PM
The only thing we have on the ping so far is north Escondido. It really would be good to nail it down.

The red truck could be a stolen vehicle and a stolen vehicle list from San Diego to San bernadino would be a nice asset to own.

so I am wondering, would north escondido be called "north county" to locals?

 DD  I'm a transplant to san diego so I may not have perfect local knowledge but North County usually encompasses a large area. I live in the rancho penasquitos area about 10 miles south from Escondido, it's considered north county also


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 06:13:51 PM
The only thing we have on the ping so far is north Escondido. It really would be good to nail it down.

The red truck could be a stolen vehicle and a stolen vehicle list from San Diego to San bernadino would be a nice asset to own.

Just spoke to Ambers Grandmom - LE was never able to triangulate the 'ping' as it was only off of one tower - to her knowledge LE never narrowed it down further than North Escondido - which still leaves a very large area.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Blink34 on May 22, 2009, 06:20:44 PM
Good Afternoon ALL-

I was threatened, I mean summoned, by our beloved Dolce to review this thread. I have cursory knowledge of Amber's case, and I apologize for that, as you all know I have a caseload I do my best to manage but it is never enough when it comes to missing children especially.

I will review over the weekend, if there is a family member on here that would like me to have any information not publicly acessible and will remain confidential, you can email our Mod Supreme klaasend@scaredmonkeys.com and she will pass it on.

B


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 22, 2009, 06:22:34 PM
Thank You Ampersand for checking it out.. I would hope the F.B.I. would help them out on that..

The F.B.I. was invited by EPD to review the case...
When you meet up with EPD make sure they allowed the F.B.I. to work on this case and not just there opinion..
Cops and Ego go together..They suffer from control issues  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 22, 2009, 06:23:27 PM
The only thing we have on the ping so far is north Escondido. It really would be good to nail it down.

The red truck could be a stolen vehicle and a stolen vehicle list from San Diego to San bernadino would be a nice asset to own.

Just spoke to Ambers Grandmom - LE was never able to triangulate the 'ping' as it was only off of one tower - to her knowledge LE never narrowed it down further than North Escondido - which still leaves a very large area.

hmmm, well then we just work with what we do have. I will make a "GUESS" and start in.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 06:43:11 PM
Thank You Ampersand for checking it out.. I would hope the F.B.I. would help them out on that..

The F.B.I. was invited by EPD to review the case...
When you meet up with EPD make sure they allowed the F.B.I. to work on this case and not just there opinion..
Cops and Ego go together..They suffer from control issues  ::MonkeyWink::

FBI interviewed everyone in Amber's family in the So Cal within 2 weeks or less of her disappearance.  What they may have gleaned from those interviews, if anything, I do not know. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Dolce on May 22, 2009, 06:47:39 PM
Awesome! 

Sara.Farden@turner.com; Emanuella.Grinberg@turner.com; Rachel.wells@turner.com; Brooke.anderson@turner.com; Nancy.Baker@turner.com; Cynthia.Antoniak@msnbc.com; Tracey.lyons@msnbc.com; Matthew.Cantor@foxnews.com; Beth.Carey@turner.com; Natisha.Lance@turner.com; Macedo@foxnews.com; Diana.schaldenbrand@cbs.com; Dana.schimmel@ap.org; rbrown@amw.com; mxfraga@telemundo.com

JUST COPY AND PASTE TO YOUR EMAIL IN THE "TO" FIELD.  PLEASE SEND THIS OUT FOR AMBER DUBOIS.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Dolce on May 22, 2009, 06:50:55 PM
Thank you so much Dolce as always you are the sweetest and best at getting all the monkeys attention on these emails.

Mine have been sent.




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: always 1 on May 22, 2009, 06:53:14 PM
Hi, I sent my emails to to all concerned as per requested by my BFF Dolce.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Dolce on May 22, 2009, 06:58:06 PM
Hi, I sent my emails to to all concerned as per requested by my BFF Dolce.
Thanks!!  I have such FANTASTIC friends!!! 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Dolce on May 22, 2009, 06:58:23 PM
::MonkeyDance:: ANOTHER VERY QUICK EASY EMAIL FOR AMBER DUBOIS!! ::MonkeyDance::

SEND TO: (Just copy and past into the "To" field of your email)

Sara.Farden@turner.com; Emanuella.Grinberg@turner.com; Rachel.wells@turner.com; Brooke.anderson@turner.com; Nancy.Baker@turner.com; Cynthia.Antoniak@msnbc.com; Tracey.lyons@msnbc.com; Matthew.Cantor@foxnews.com; Beth.Carey@turner.com; Natisha.Lance@turner.com; Macedo@foxnews.com; Diana.schaldenbrand@cbs.com; Dana.schimmel@ap.org; rbrown@amw.com; mxfraga@telemundo.com

Sample email:

Hello -

I am a faithful, longtime viewer.  I would like to call to your attention the case of Amber Dubois  - this beautiful 14 year old girl who went missing in Escondido, CA .

I want to hear more about this case.  I want to see her featured as a missing person.  This child’s disappearance could happen to any family and it is scary!  Please research and air her story.

Regards,


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 07:12:14 PM
::MonkeyDance:: ANOTHER VERY QUICK EASY EMAIL FOR AMBER DUBOIS!! ::MonkeyDance::

SEND TO: (Just copy and past into the "To" field of your email)

Sara.Farden@turner.com; Emanuella.Grinberg@turner.com; Rachel.wells@turner.com; Brooke.anderson@turner.com; Nancy.Baker@turner.com; Cynthia.Antoniak@msnbc.com; Tracey.lyons@msnbc.com; Matthew.Cantor@foxnews.com; Beth.Carey@turner.com; Natisha.Lance@turner.com; Macedo@foxnews.com; Diana.schaldenbrand@cbs.com; Dana.schimmel@ap.org; rbrown@amw.com; mxfraga@telemundo.com

Sample email:

Hello -

I am a faithful, longtime viewer.  I would like to call to your attention the case of Amber Dubois  - this beautiful 14 year old girl who went missing in Escondido, CA .

I want to hear more about this case.  I want to see her featured as a missing person.  This child’s disappearance could happen to any family and it is scary!  Please research and air her story.

Regards,


It's easy to see why you're an All Star!  Thank you Dolce  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Dolce on May 22, 2009, 07:15:44 PM
Thanks Amper!  I am an "All Star" because I talk too much...  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Blink34 on May 22, 2009, 07:17:30 PM
Ok, I lied, I just read the whole thread, sorry, occupational hazzard.
My questions:

1) Amber was reportedly out the weekend prior to 2/13/09. Where was she, who was she with, how did she get there and back, and does her cell phone log corroberate the account.

2)Are there any un ID'd numbers on her cell phone? Any transfer numbers or prepaid's. I can explain if need be, but it is best to go with numbers you cant confirm.

3) Why does anyone connect this with another attempted abduction rape or other? I know it seems like a tedious question, but if the answer is "we have no other leads so we are running it down", that's ok.  Its just a barometer for me.

4) What search efforts have been made to date? Satellite, Aerial, water, Foot search? What areas have been cleared? Do I understand correctly Escondido PD is Lead here? Did they call in FBI for oversight or actual investigative work and forensics?
There's a difference.

5) I think I heard Mention Grandma is a trial atty, in what concentration? Could be important, could be unrelated.

6) Did Amber recently make any physical appearance changes not attributable to a 14 year old. I am speaking (respectfully, I understand this is invasive but I know this must have been asked by FBI, it's protocal). Specifically, was she more concerned about beauty, matching underwear, cosmetics, anyting seemingly adult "all of a sudden"? Any drop off of school attendance or tardiness, slipping grades, recent arguments with parents about who she was with, etc.

7) Any myspace/facebook?  

8) Did the friends she had the Valentines Gifts for receive them, were they recovered?

Now, not to cast disparity, but any LE agency I have ever worked with understands that when families are not getting the right answers or feedback on  the case, they know they get frustrated with them, part of the territory.

What is LE feeling on what happened? What direction are they going? It reminds me of two cases in particular I have worked on that went two years without new leads because they felt releasing info publicly could damage the case.

That is the biggest mistake LE makes, not enlisting the public. It is not a territory war, it is a child, and her family, they dont care how she comes home, they just want her home.
B


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 22, 2009, 07:34:31 PM
Just quote all of Blink post and in the quote box answer each question in "Red"

Blink is correct on the F.B.I. , there is a BIG difference.

a week ago ELE said they welcomed the F.B.I. ...
Just have grand-mom make sure that ELE give the F.B.I. full access and the ability to WORK this case..

With that the F.B.I. will have the ability to go much further on the Phone..
They have access to some interesting toys that local law enforcement does not have..

Like Echelon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
The ability to intercept communications depends on the medium used, be it radio, satellite, microwave, cellular or fiber-optic.

They can triangulate the cell phone call. As if it were national security matter.
If a member of a political party was kidnapped by a suspected terrorist they would do it in a second.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 22, 2009, 07:42:27 PM
(http://www.actionamerica.org/images/echelonsat.jpg)

Much of our regional communications travels through ground based microwave towers.  You have probably seen the towers along the highway, with a bunch of cornucopia shaped antennas on them.  Each of those antennas is a directional link to another tower (usually about 25 miles away).  Although the signal is directional, that does not mean that 100% of the signal is caught by the receiving antenna.  In fact, much less than 1% is usually received by the receiving antenna.  The rest of the signal continues on in a straight line into space.  The diagram below shows how a signal sent between two ground based microwave towers can be intercepted by a satellite.

http://www.actionamerica.org/echelon/echelonwork.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 07:51:00 PM
Blink - Excellent questions. 

I will need release from the family to respond to the first few of them however - as soon as I can - I will - Amber's Grandmom (my mom) is attending a funeral this afternoon and is not available.

Amber's Grandmom is a civil litigator

No "sudden" grown up indicators - but I will get confirmation on that.

No myspace - No facebook (a facebook account was briefly set up after her disappearance in error)

No gift were received - none recovered

Edward - thank you - I'll make sure this is covered in the next meeting with LE  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 22, 2009, 08:05:41 PM
is there any specific person anyone needs info on?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 22, 2009, 08:11:53 PM
question:
does amber like to write stories? and has any info about that been released to the public?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Elaine on May 22, 2009, 08:28:04 PM

I have sent my emails to help get Amber's case the coverage she deserves.

Prayers going out to Amber and her family, that she will come home soon.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 09:56:09 PM
question:
does amber like to write stories? and has any info about that been released to the public?

Yes, Amber is an excellent writer.  She is extremely intelligent and wildly creative.  I believe it was - but didn't draw much attention.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 09:57:46 PM
DD - nice pull - btw

sorry if that's inappropriate in any way  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 09:59:17 PM
is there any specific person anyone needs info on?

LE keeps referring to the "tall, thin, dark skinned boy" that Amber may have last been seen with while walking to school - to my knowledge - no sketch has been provided to media or anyone else - certainly not family.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 22, 2009, 10:05:11 PM
question:
does amber like to write stories? and has any info about that been released to the public?

Yes, Amber is an excellent writer.  She is extremely intelligent and wildly creative.  I believe it was - but didn't draw much attention.

Have you seen this ampersand?

http://lance-foxx.livejournal.com/175659.html



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 10:17:44 PM
question:
does amber like to write stories? and has any info about that been released to the public?

Yes, Amber is an excellent writer.  She is extremely intelligent and wildly creative.  I believe it was - but didn't draw much attention.

Have you seen this ampersand?

http://lance-foxx.livejournal.com/175659.html

Yes I have - but nothing has surfaced.  Email me.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 10:19:10 PM
ooops - I think that was wrong - my bad???


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 22, 2009, 10:23:12 PM
question:
does amber like to write stories? and has any info about that been released to the public?

Yes, Amber is an excellent writer.  She is extremely intelligent and wildly creative.  I believe it was - but didn't draw much attention.

Have you seen this ampersand?

http://lance-foxx.livejournal.com/175659.html

Yes I have - but nothing has surfaced.  Email me.
its ok. Klaas can give you my email.  I will send Klass a email and ask her to do so.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 22, 2009, 10:37:52 PM
ooops - I think that was wrong - my bad???

No nothing bad.  I emailed Klaas and asked her to give you my email.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 10:51:40 PM
ooops - I think that was wrong - my bad???

No nothing bad.  I emailed Klaas and asked her to give you my email.

Like Alice through the looking glass - it's me through the website  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 11:12:24 PM
The only thing we have on the ping so far is north Escondido. It really would be good to nail it down.

The red truck could be a stolen vehicle and a stolen vehicle list from San Diego to San bernadino would be a nice asset to own.

Further to the "ping"  It is evidently called the North County Tower - can there only be one?  Can it be narrowed down from there?  [please let it be so] ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 22, 2009, 11:22:00 PM
The only thing we have on the ping so far is north Escondido. It really would be good to nail it down.

The red truck could be a stolen vehicle and a stolen vehicle list from San Diego to San bernadino would be a nice asset to own.

Further to the "ping"  It is evidently called the North County Tower - can there only be one?  Can it be narrowed down from there?  [please let it be so] ::MonkeyAngel::

A lot of the phone companies share the same towers .  Here is a map.  Who is the carrier?

http://www.celltowerinfo.com/picts/Cell%20Tower%20Location%20Map-%20California%20.jpg


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 22, 2009, 11:26:36 PM
Nice Map thank you


Is her phone sprint ?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 22, 2009, 11:31:50 PM
Nice Map thank you


Is her phone sprint ?

It is outdated for CA.  I am seeing if I can find a newer one.   


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 22, 2009, 11:32:21 PM
I think we need a map of the carrier


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 22, 2009, 11:36:00 PM
Do you know the Long and Lat for the area of hte ping?   A zipcode in that area of Escondido would also help.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 22, 2009, 11:47:39 PM
sprint has a nice map,, no towers listed

http://coverage.sprintpcs.com/IMPACT.jsp?id16=tower_maps&covType=sprint



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 22, 2009, 11:49:13 PM
I have acccess to coverage by tower but I need either the log and lat or the zip code to pull the towers.  If you know the area can you give me a zip code?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 22, 2009, 11:54:10 PM
I do not have it, ampersand will have to find it


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 22, 2009, 11:55:07 PM
Would this be the right area? Coverage is the area in orange.  Tower is circled.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 23, 2009, 12:06:13 AM
Here is another tower.  Again, no idea if this is considered "north"



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 23, 2009, 12:35:27 AM
Going back to my questions a page or so ago about the altered tailgate in the video and the possibility of 5th wheel.  Here is what I came up with for long term RV parks in the area.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Blink34 on May 23, 2009, 01:21:26 AM
Blink - Excellent questions. 

I will need release from the family to respond to the first few of them however - as soon as I can - I will - Amber's Grandmom (my mom) is attending a funeral this afternoon and is not available.

Amber's Grandmom is a civil litigator

No "sudden" grown up indicators - but I will get confirmation on that.

No myspace - No facebook (a facebook account was briefly set up after her disappearance in error)

No gift were received - none recovered

Edward - thank you - I'll make sure this is covered in the next meeting with LE  ::MonkeyCool::

Understood, also, this can be done privately, if need be, but honestly, with the time elapsed, realizing it's unpopular sometimes, I did not ask anything proprietary, and it's necessary to progress without a suspect right now.

Regarding your Mom, a civil litigator, got that, I have a legal background as well, what concentration? Wrongful death, PI, workman's comp, etc? I dont need her name or Bar ID, just area of focus; I would be surprised if she has not been asked that already.

I look forward to hearing from you on the rest. Please extend my condolences to  the family of the funeral your Mom had to attend today.
B



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 23, 2009, 02:04:38 AM
northern rose..
one interesting item... Item A  on the map..
The park mentioned by a person who posted a comment at a local news site claimed he had a vision for a possible disposal spot, It is right down that cross road to the left. Gopher canyon road.. Guajome park is the spot he wanted detectives to look at.

If I was a detective and had nothing i would check that out..

i know saved that post..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 23, 2009, 02:07:01 AM
Item E... !! sorry

Item A too.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: ChiChi on May 23, 2009, 03:44:15 AM
Thanks Darla!!


Monkeys and Lurkers and Guests...it is not enough to sit here and read and post all day long if you are not willing to do something as simple as sending an email or post a comment requesting that media attention be brought to these cases.  It takes only a moment of your time to help save a childs entire life.

Done.  Sent to all the links.
Sent mine too, I even personalized them.  :)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Blink34 on May 23, 2009, 08:03:43 AM
I think we need a map of the carrier

Do we know what the + or - ratio is from tower to tower in this area?
tia
B


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Blink34 on May 23, 2009, 08:14:58 AM
To anyone local:

Can you give me an idea of the terrain of about a 15 Sq. Mi radius of this area?
Topographically I mean, Is it densely wooded, alot of bodies of water, etc? I am trying to gauge the feasability of satellite and aerial imaging.

I just worked on a case where the area has not been shot for whatever reason since 2006, so it was of no help, but I can at least make a call..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on May 23, 2009, 09:41:06 AM
Good morning everyone!   I've missed a couple of days and I see monkeys have been hard at work! 

I copied & pasted the email but got several returned undeliverable.  Did anyone else have the same problem or is it operator error?

God Bless Amber!
Lovinlife


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on May 23, 2009, 09:51:44 AM
I just read in another thread that because of the holiday weekend their inboxes could be full.  Must be all the monkey emails...I will try again on Tuesday.  Squeaky wheel gets the grease!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 23, 2009, 11:09:57 AM
Terrain photos.

(http://www.peranch.com/assets/gallery/1-5-09%20044.JPG)

daley ranch bike trail.

(http://www.singletracks.com/images/uploads/2009/trails/02/2168-1184355004.jpg)

daley ranch

(http://www.singletracks.com/images/uploads/2009/trails/02/2168-1209524354.jpg)


 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 23, 2009, 11:19:20 AM
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Reservation: 1-866-477-6153 Fax: 760-740-5982
Email: escondidorv@sunlandrvresorts.com
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Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 23, 2009, 11:24:04 AM
oops ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 23, 2009, 11:28:18 AM
(http://www.rosebudus.com/cale/graphic-discography/Escondido.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 23, 2009, 11:43:42 AM
ALL SEASONS R.V. Park L.L.C
30012 Highway 395
Escondido, CA 92026
(760) 749-2982
Fax (760) 749-2776

Email Us: ALLRVPARK@YAHOO.COM


(http://www.allseasonscamping.com/All%20Seasons%20Park%20Amenities_files/pic03.jpg)



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 23, 2009, 11:51:44 AM
Friday, February 15, 2008

 Crime History..

ESCONDIDO-----The body of an Escondido mother of four missing since Dec. 13 has been found at an Escondido park, Escondido police said.

The San Diego County Medical Examiner's office has positively identified the dead woman as Martha Lopez Perez, 43, Escondido police spokesman Lt. Bob Benton said.

A mountain biker found Perez's body on Saturday morning in a remote, brushy area of Jesmond Dene Park, in the northwest part the city, Benton said. Out of concern for Perez's family and loved ones, Escondido police kept the body's discovery quiet until it could be identified, he said.

Police are calling Perez's death suspicious but have not determined that she was murdered, Benton said. Her body was found in the same clothes she was wearing on Dec. 13, when she was last seen shopping in an AMVETS thrift store on East Valley Parkway, Benton said. The clothes and the body's condition indicate that Perez likely died around the same time she disappeared, Benton said.

Perez's manner of death was not immediately obvious from the condition of her body, Benton said, and the Medical Examiner's Office has not yet determined a cause of death.

Perez is originally from Chiapas, Mexico, and had lived in the U.S. for at least 16 years, her boyfriend of 10-years, Anselmo Hernandez, 32, said in January. He said she had four children, two in Atlanta and two who lived with the couple in Escondido. Benton said Perez was a legal U.S. resident.

Police have been investigating Perez's disappearance since Hernandez reported her missing the night of Dec. 13 but have few clues about what happened to her, Benton said. Anyone with any information about her disappearance or who saw anything suspicious in the Jesmond Dene Park area in December is asked to call either Detective John O'Donnell at (760) 839-4756, or Detective Miguel Ramirez at (760) 839-4925. Callers can leave anonymous information at (760) 743-TIPS.

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/02/15/news/breaking/10_30_3899_13_08.txt


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 23, 2009, 11:56:34 AM
news reader report from the above artcle ...

Please help to solve this case
[-] wrote on Feb 17, 2008 12:59 PM: Perez was dropped off at the AMVETS store at 10:30AM. Video surveillance showed her leaving AMVETS at 2;30PM with several bags, therefore she would have needed a ride home. Four hours of shopping for the purpose of resale would indicate that she made substantial purchases. Where are the items she purchased? her wallet and purse?. It is not uncommon for swap meet sellers to carry large sums of cash particularly when they are in buying mode. Does the surveillance camera show who was standing behind her in the check-out line? Would she have called her friend to pick her up from inside the store or did she intend to place the call from a public phone once outside?. Either way a MURDERER who possibly stakes out his/her victims is at large. To be victimized while in the process of earning a living by someone who kills for a living is unthinkable.

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/02/15/news/breaking/10_30_3899_13_08.txt



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 23, 2009, 12:01:18 PM
dec 13 2008
feb 13 2009

patterns of behavior ? or a long shot..

remote area of a park.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 23, 2009, 12:13:44 PM
history.. crime
january 2007
14 year old girl from Escondido, CA (Kristina “Kristen” Smith) is missing. It is feared that they was lured away by a man that she met on the internet.
Police said her parents stopped her on Friday from taking a cab from her suburban North County home to a Motel 6 on Pacific Highway near Old Town in San Diego to meet a man she met on the Web, according to the newspaper.

Sunday morning, the parents found the girl missing when they went to wake her at 9:30, according to the Union-Tribune.

The teen had apparently been chatting online with 34-year-old Charles Crowell who is now facing rape charges.

Police say Crowell met the teen at an Embarcadero motel on Sunday, and they flew together to South Dakota.

The girl’s parents are outraged that a married man, with a daughter of his own, could prey on their child.

Charles Leroy Crowell Description:

bald
300 pounds
5 feet 7 inches

 Escondido police say Smith was found by authorities who were staking out the Sioux Falls home of Charles Crowell. He had checked into the motel Smith tried to visit and left yesterday.

Police say Crowell may face charges ranging from child endangerment to kidnapping.

http://missingexploited.com/2007/01/08/kristina-kristen-smith-14-missing-in-escondido-ca-possibly-lured-away-by-person-she-met-on-internet/

Red recorded the crime..
We can now see WHY police would consider this as possible.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 23, 2009, 12:17:19 PM
Jesmond Dene Park

Jesmond Dene Park
2401 North Broadway ::MonkeyEek::
Escondido, CA 92026-1443

http://sdplaygrounds.com/escondido/jesmond_dene_park.html



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 23, 2009, 03:26:24 PM
question:
does amber like to write stories? and has any info about that been released to the public?

Yes, Amber is an excellent writer.  She is extremely intelligent and wildly creative.  I believe it was - but didn't draw much attention.

do you know if this info about her writing has been made public; did this come out in the news?  or was it talked about by family on the net?  do you know? 
the reason I ask, is I found something where someone is saying she likes to write stories and they believe she was writing stories on the net at a site.  It just struck me a little strange.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 23, 2009, 03:30:53 PM
DD - nice pull - btw

sorry if that's inappropriate in any way  ::MonkeyCool::

I have no idea what you mean, but I don't believe "anything" is inappropriate when trying to figure out what is going on with a missing person's case when people are trying to brainstorm, etc.  I certainly would not take anything you say as inappropriate, I figure it is just part of the "thinking" going on.  But if I understood what you mean, I might know how to respond better  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 23, 2009, 03:48:20 PM
question:
does amber like to write stories? and has any info about that been released to the public?

Yes, Amber is an excellent writer.  She is extremely intelligent and wildly creative.  I believe it was - but didn't draw much attention.

do you know if this info about her writing has been made public; did this come out in the news?  or was it talked about by family on the net?  do you know? 
the reason I ask, is I found something where someone is saying she likes to write stories and they believe she was writing stories on the net at a site.  It just struck me a little strange.

oh nevermind, I had incorrectly read your response, thinking you meant draw and in artwork, gee, where is my brain today. 

well, somene picked up on that she writes stories, I am trying to find anyone talking about her on the net.  I find some of the comments to news etc on the net very strange, as I know you and others have also wondered if someone were posting things to throw people off. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 23, 2009, 04:07:21 PM
is there any specific person anyone needs info on?

LE keeps referring to the "tall, thin, dark skinned boy" that Amber may have last been seen with while walking to school - to my knowledge - no sketch has been provided to media or anyone else - certainly not family.

if no one knows who this dark-skinned boy might be, he must not be from the very near area and must not hang out with any of the kids in the area.  If he really does exist and he was "walking", then how did he get there?  I am just kind of "talking outloud"(I do this a lot as it might jog a thought with someone else).  So did he have a ride from someone? or did he ride the bus there?  did he have a car but had it parked elsewhere?  pretty early in the morning for him to be out there around the school walking in the rain. For what reason? It does not really make sense.  And things which do not make sense on the surface will usually have some underlying reason that will make perfect sense if you can figure out what it is. 

Did anyone mention what the boy was wearing?  how long was his hair?
did anyone ask bus drivers if they saw a tall dark-skinned boy on a bus that day who would have got off in that area?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 23, 2009, 04:12:54 PM
how much has anyone looked around the Valley Center-Pauma Valley area?  Were flyers put up out there?  Has anyone talked to the federal marshall about this area? Has notice of the reward been plastered around this area? 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 23, 2009, 04:59:37 PM
The only thing we have on the ping so far is north Escondido. It really would be good to nail it down.

The red truck could be a stolen vehicle and a stolen vehicle list from San Diego to San bernadino would be a nice asset to own.

Further to the "ping"  It is evidently called the North County Tower - can there only be one?  Can it be narrowed down from there?  [please let it be so] ::MonkeyAngel::

A lot of the phone companies share the same towers .  Here is a map.  Who is the carrier?

http://www.celltowerinfo.com/picts/Cell%20Tower%20Location%20Map-%20California%20.jpg
Verizon


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 23, 2009, 05:02:46 PM
I do not have it, ampersand will have to find it

Sorry if you all have already done this - I'm just catching up on reading now and answering as I go - my internet access at home is very frustrating - it works when it wants to - long story.

Check this link - Escondido has several:

http://zipcodes.addresses.com/zip_codes_by_city/38899.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Dolce on May 23, 2009, 05:06:47 PM
Thanks so everyone for rallying together and getting these emails out to the media.  I am going to send out another batch today and will continue until I see some coverage for her.  I only wish that they could feature every missing child, I know the list is long, but I would love to know how the media decideds which case is more important than other warranting more time in the spot light....I know ratings, but honestly, how do these people sleep at night?

Our local news stations give time slots to Adji Desir before cutting to commercials each and every night and morning....I hope that the local stations in Ambers area will also consider doing the same.

Anyone within that area, can you please tell me who the local news stations are so that I can research getting a request to them to do this?  The more her face is out there, the better chances she has. 

TIA


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Ampersand on May 23, 2009, 05:12:21 PM
Blink - Excellent questions. 

I will need release from the family to respond to the first few of them however - as soon as I can - I will - Amber's Grandmom (my mom) is attending a funeral this afternoon and is not available.

Amber's Grandmom is a civil litigator

No "sudden" grown up indicators - but I will get confirmation on that.

No myspace - No facebook (a facebook account was briefly set up after her disappearance in error)

No gift were received - none recovered

Edward - thank you - I'll make sure this is covered in the next meeting with LE  ::MonkeyCool::

Understood, also, this can be done privately, if need be, but honestly, with the time elapsed, realizing it's unpopular sometimes, I did not ask anything proprietary, and it's necessary to progress without a suspect right now.

Regarding your Mom, a civil litigator, got that, I have a legal background as well, what concentration? Wrongful death, PI, workman's comp, etc? I dont need her name or Bar ID, just area of focus; I would be surprised if she has not been asked that already.

I look forward to hearing from you on the rest. Please extend my condolences to  the family of the funeral your Mom had to attend today.
B

Thanks - my Mom has not been shy about posting online about who she is #1 She's a proud Grandmom #2 Enviromental attorney - Sheila Welch


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Dolce on May 23, 2009, 05:16:52 PM
::MonkeyDance:: ANOTHER VERY QUICK EASY EMAIL FOR AMBER DUBOIS!! ::MonkeyDance::

Yes, I am asking for everyone to please help again in getting the word out today.  I want to swamp the media with requests each day until they get her name out there and to the viewers.  She needs some coverage as she has not had any mainstream focus as of yet. 
TIA


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I want to hear more about this case.  I want to see her featured as a missing person.  This child’s disappearance could happen to any family and it is scary!  Please research and air her story.

Regards,


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 23, 2009, 05:18:50 PM
question:
does amber like to write stories? and has any info about that been released to the public?

Yes, Amber is an excellent writer.  She is extremely intelligent and wildly creative.  I believe it was - but didn't draw much attention.

do you know if this info about her writing has been made public; did this come out in the news?  or was it talked about by family on the net?  do you know? 
the reason I ask, is I found something where someone is saying she likes to write stories and they believe she was writing stories on the net at a site.  It just struck me a little strange.

Yes, it came out in the news - I received several emails regarding the Foxx post.
I never did get contact info from SM admin - not all the info was released to the press 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Blink34 on May 23, 2009, 05:18:58 PM
dec 13 2008
feb 13 2009

patterns of behavior ? or a long shot..

remote area of a park.



I'll go you one better Edward, one year to the day the body of that woman was identified. The press got it the day after the family, which was on 2/14/08.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 23, 2009, 05:22:04 PM
Friday, February 15, 2008

 Crime History..

ESCONDIDO-----The body of an Escondido mother of four missing since Dec. 13 has been found at an Escondido park, Escondido police said.

The San Diego County Medical Examiner's office has positively identified the dead woman as Martha Lopez Perez, 43, Escondido police spokesman Lt. Bob Benton said.

A mountain biker found Perez's body on Saturday morning in a remote, brushy area of Jesmond Dene Park, in the northwest part the city, Benton said. Out of concern for Perez's family and loved ones, Escondido police kept the body's discovery quiet until it could be identified, he said.

Police are calling Perez's death suspicious but have not determined that she was murdered, Benton said. Her body was found in the same clothes she was wearing on Dec. 13, when she was last seen shopping in an AMVETS thrift store on East Valley Parkway, Benton said. The clothes and the body's condition indicate that Perez likely died around the same time she disappeared, Benton said.

Perez's manner of death was not immediately obvious from the condition of her body, Benton said, and the Medical Examiner's Office has not yet determined a cause of death.

Perez is originally from Chiapas, Mexico, and had lived in the U.S. for at least 16 years, her boyfriend of 10-years, Anselmo Hernandez, 32, said in January. He said she had four children, two in Atlanta and two who lived with the couple in Escondido. Benton said Perez was a legal U.S. resident.

Police have been investigating Perez's disappearance since Hernandez reported her missing the night of Dec. 13 but have few clues about what happened to her, Benton said. Anyone with any information about her disappearance or who saw anything suspicious in the Jesmond Dene Park area in December is asked to call either Detective John O'Donnell at (760) 839-4756, or Detective Miguel Ramirez at (760) 839-4925. Callers can leave anonymous information at (760) 743-TIPS.

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/02/15/news/breaking/10_30_3899_13_08.txt

Jesmond Dene Park is minutes from where Amber was last seen - it is my "understanding" that the park was "thoroughly" searched - the fact remains - it's a very large park. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Dolce on May 23, 2009, 05:24:05 PM
Happy Memorial Day Weekend!  Sorry to barge in again to your conversation, but we are still working on writing the media for Amber DuBois.  Our mission is to get this missing child some media coverage as she has had zilch.  We are going to keep writing every day until our requests are heard.  Please take a moment to visit her thread and write a quick email on her behalf. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4583.msg817947#msg817947

TIA


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 23, 2009, 05:27:05 PM
DD - nice pull - btw

sorry if that's inappropriate in any way  ::MonkeyCool::

I have no idea what you mean, but I don't believe "anything" is inappropriate when trying to figure out what is going on with a missing person's case when people are trying to brainstorm, etc.  I certainly would not take anything you say as inappropriate, I figure it is just part of the "thinking" going on.  But if I understood what you mean, I might know how to respond better  ::MonkeyCool::

I've read alot of posts on alot of sites - I don't recall anyone else "pulling" out that information and focusing on it - please all readers keep in mind - just because I don't remember doesn't mean it didn't happen - I'm seriously overwhelmed with everything going on.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Dolce on May 23, 2009, 05:33:13 PM
I've read alot of posts on alot of sites - I don't recall anyone else "pulling" out that information and focusing on it - please all readers keep in mind - just because I don't remember doesn't mean it didn't happen - I'm seriously overwhelmed with everything going on.
Ampersand, the important thing to remember here is to breath.  I have read your many posts and agree that you have not said anything that could be misunderstood as "inapropriate".  You are doing great, and all the information is great, the more the better.  We are all going to read it, kick it around, and do our monkey thing with it..run with it, examine it, research it....we all want answers too....so keep it coming.  Also, don't be afraid to take a step back from the computer every once and a while, fresh eyes can do wonders.  :)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 23, 2009, 05:35:04 PM
Happy Memorial Day Weekend!  Sorry to barge in again to your conversation, but we are still working on writing the media for Amber DuBois.  Our mission is to get this missing child some media coverage as she has had zilch.  We are going to keep writing every day until our requests are heard.  Please take a moment to visit her thread and write a quick email on her behalf. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4583.msg817947#msg817947

TIA

 ::MonkeyAngel::  "Thank you" seems so inadequate . . . Lisa


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 23, 2009, 06:13:37 PM
DD - nice pull - btw

sorry if that's inappropriate in any way  ::MonkeyCool::

I have no idea what you mean, but I don't believe "anything" is inappropriate when trying to figure out what is going on with a missing person's case when people are trying to brainstorm, etc.  I certainly would not take anything you say as inappropriate, I figure it is just part of the "thinking" going on.  But if I understood what you mean, I might know how to respond better  ::MonkeyCool::

I've read alot of posts on alot of sites - I don't recall anyone else "pulling" out that information and focusing on it - please all readers keep in mind - just because I don't remember doesn't mean it didn't happen - I'm seriously overwhelmed with everything going on.
oh, I see what you meant by "pull" now LOL,  well, I am one to dig and dig, I will dig up everything until I hit bedrock, then I bring out the dynamite and blast a deep hole, and keep on digging.  Just the way I am.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: klaasend on May 23, 2009, 06:40:58 PM
Ampersand - if you ever need to get in touch with me, you can reach me at klaasend@scaredmonkeys.com or if you want to reach Red the owner of SM his email addy is red@scaredmonkeys.com


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 23, 2009, 08:09:58 PM
I remember reading back on this thread, or on a link from this thread that amber went somewhere (I think I remember with her grandmother) to see the wolves?  Do I remember that correctly?  And she wears the wolf pendent?

Has amber ever been to the Wolf Mountain Sactuary in Lucerne Valley?  Or does she know about this place? 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 23, 2009, 09:40:57 PM
does amber's school have a security guard?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 23, 2009, 10:43:23 PM
can someone please recap the Target whatever it was.  or link me to the articles please.  I remember reading something about target back there.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: ChiChi on May 23, 2009, 10:50:59 PM
Good morning everyone!   I've missed a couple of days and I see monkeys have been hard at work! 

I copied & pasted the email but got several returned undeliverable.  Did anyone else have the same problem or is it operator error?

God Bless Amber!
Lovinlife

yes I too had 3 undeliverables... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 23, 2009, 10:56:30 PM
anyone know of anyone missing in Carlsbad?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: trimmonthelake on May 23, 2009, 11:03:24 PM
Dolce,I sent the emails you told us about.
Got 2 back but will try again Tuesday.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 23, 2009, 11:33:32 PM

 My sweet daughter and I went with a small search group this morning in an area north of escondido. We did't come across anything but maybe that area could be eliminated. They are wonderful people voluteering at the Bring Amber Home center but as Ampersand has said, if only there could be some renewed interest nationally and locally as well, it mifgt help to bring in some more volunteers and searchers.
It was rough terrain and being the rookies, sometimes I think we were more afraid of running into a rattle snake than keeping our focus on searching!  We both promised to do better next week. It was our first time at it and afterward it was ticks that were freaking us out.  Absolutely, my admiration for Tim Miller and all voluteers has skyrocketed.

As always, let's bring Amber home.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 24, 2009, 12:03:30 AM
FYI: Thank you for participating. Amber's great grand mom was from SC.  We have family there and many of their SC churches are listed on Amber's website [BringAmberHome.com] in prayers for her.  I lived in S.C. as a child with my grandparents on a little farm in Jedburg (after having been previously kidnapped in Florida) so SC remains close to my heart as a place of love and safety. AmbersGrandmom


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: ChiChi on May 24, 2009, 12:08:44 AM

 My sweet daughter and I went with a small search group this morning in an area north of escondido. We did't come across anything but maybe that area could be eliminated. They are wonderful people voluteering at the Bring Amber Home center but as Ampersand has said, if only there could be some renewed interest nationally and locally as well, it mifgt help to bring in some more volunteers and searchers.
It was rough terrain and being the rookies, sometimes I think we were more afraid of running into a rattle snake than keeping our focus on searching!  We both promised to do better next week. It was our first time at it and afterward it was ticks that were freaking us out.  Absolutely, my admiration for Tim Miller and all voluteers has skyrocketed.

As always, let's bring Amber home.

That is awesome Mizjay and sweet daughter.  Thank you for your efforts.  I live close to Tracy and my sweet daughters were planning on attending a search for Sandra Cantu, but sadly there was no need.  Thanks to people like you things get done!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 24, 2009, 12:10:11 AM
My last reply was to Darla in SC but I clearly didn't get it in the right spot!  Ambersgrandmom


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 24, 2009, 12:17:32 AM
FYI: Thank you for participating. Amber's great grand mom was from SC.  We have family there and many of their SC churches are listed on Amber's website [BringAmberHome.com] in prayers for her.  I lived in S.C. as a child with my grandparents on a little farm in Jedburg (after having been previously kidnapped in Florida) so SC remains close to my heart as a place of love and safety. AmbersGrandmom

 Ambers grandmom    We felt proud to be there and wished we had been helping sooner.  Such a small world, my mother was born and raised in Columbia, SC. My fondest childhood memories were spending the entire summers there and at Paulys Island.

My heart goes out to you regarding your own experience as a child, the love that your family surrounded you with must make you determined that Amber could have the same healing and strength when found. Keep up with the fight and I hope the Lord gives you all the peace and rest at night so that each morning you can have enthusiasm to continue.  I pray for Amber's return and swift punishment for the creton that has done this.
                                                                      j
   


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 24, 2009, 12:21:16 AM

AG     ::MonkeyHaHa::   I usually get posts all screwed up ,so in my bubbleheaded fashion I thought I'd mentioned something at some random point about SC!!     It still doesn't change the fact that it is a small world!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 24, 2009, 12:23:45 AM
The only thing we have on the ping so far is north Escondido. It really would be good to nail it down.

The red truck could be a stolen vehicle and a stolen vehicle list from San Diego to San bernadino would be a nice asset to own.

Further to the "ping"  It is evidently called the North County Tower - can there only be one?  Can it be narrowed down from there?  [please let it be so] ::MonkeyAngel::

A lot of the phone companies share the same towers .  Here is a map.  Who is the carrier?

http://www.celltowerinfo.com/picts/Cell%20Tower%20Location%20Map-%20California%20.jpg
Verizon
Thank you so much.  Sadly there are no dedicated Verizon towers in Escondido.  There are 11 registered towers which means Verizon pays to lease to use existing towers.  I saw that you also gave a link to zip codes.  I am not familiar with the area so I still need to know what "north" means.

Attached is  a map with cell tower locations.  There is one more in Temecula that I felt may be too far north so is not in on the map.  If I am wrong please let me know.  If you can let me know which one(s) may be in the correct area I can do maps of coverage area as well as answer Blink's question about + and - on each tower.

Lastly Klaas has sent you my email.  Please feel free to use it in regards to the web link last night. 

11 FCC Registered Antenna Towers in Escondido, CA:
Lisa M Minney, .75 Miw Of Lake Hodges Dam .25 Mi S Of Del Dios Hwy (Lat: 33.037833 Lon: -117.140861), Type: Tower, Structure height: 7.6 m, Overall height: 9.1 m
Registrant: Crown Castle Gt Company LLC, 2000 Corporate Drive, Canonsburg, PA 15317, Phone: (724) 416-2516, Email: monica.gambino@crowncastle.com


Lisa M Minney, 2646 Mary Ln (Lat: 33.092833 Lon: -117.042528), Type: Tower, Structure height: 23.4 m, Overall height: 23.5 m
Registrant: Crown Castle Gt Company LLC, 2000 Corporate Drive, Canonsburg, PA 15317, Phone: (724) 416-2516, Email: monica.gambino@crowncastle.com


Lisa M Minney, .39 Mi S 1.38 Mi E Int Us Rt 395 & Golden Cir (Lat: 33.152528 Lon: -117.078361), Type: Tower, Structure height: 18.2 m, Overall height: 19.8 m
Registrant: Crown Castle Gt Company LLC, 2000 Corporate Drive, Canonsburg, PA 15317, Phone: (724) 416-2516, Email: monica.gambino@crowncastle.com


Douglas I Brandon, Centre City Parkway (Lat: 33.164167 Lon: -117.104722), Type: Pole, Structure height: 15.2 m, Overall height: 15.2 m, , Licensee ID: L00000732
Registrant: At&t Wireless Services, Inc., 1150 Connecticut Avenue, N.W., 4th, Washington, DC 20036, Phone: (202) 223-9222


Douglas I Brandon, 2691 Mesa Rock Road (Lat: 33.199167 Lon: -117.128333), Type: Pole, Structure height: 10.6 m, Overall height: 10.6 m
Registrant: At&t Wireless Services, Inc., 1150 Connecticut Avenue, N.W., 4th, Washington, DC 20036, Phone: (202) 223-9222, Email: esther.hilliard@attws.com


Douglas I Brandon, 1029 Hubbard Hill (Lat: 33.152222 Lon: -117.078611), Type: Pole, Structure height: 9.1 m, Overall height: 9.1 m
Registrant: At&t Wireless Services, Inc., 1150 Connecticut Avenue, N.W., 4th, Washington, DC 20036, Phone: (202) 223-9222, Email: esther.hilliard@attws.com


Douglas I Brandon, 11th Avenue (Lat: 33.101389 Lon: -117.094722), Type: Pole, Structure height: 9.1 m, Overall height: 9.1 m
Registrant: At&t Wireless Services, Inc., 1150 Connecticut Avenue, N.W., 4th, Washington, DC 20036, Phone: (202) 223-9222, Email: esther.hilliard@attws.com


Douglas I Brandon, 2691 Mesa Rock Road (Lat: 33.199167 Lon: -117.128333), Type: Pole, Structure height: 16.1 m, Overall height: 16.1 m
Registrant: At&t Wireless Services, Inc., 1150 Connecticut Avenue, N.W., 4th, Washington, DC 20036, Phone: (202) 223-9222, Email: esther.hilliard@attws.com


Douglas I Brandon, 31972 Palos Verdes (Lat: 33.293056 Lon: -117.147500), Type: Pole, Structure height: 15.2 m, Overall height: 15.2 m
Registrant: At&t Wireless Services, Inc., 1150 Connecticut Avenue, N.W., 4th, Washington, DC 20036, Phone: (202) 223-9222, Email: esther.hilliard@attws.com


Shelley L Aitoro, Palomar Mt (Lat: 33.310000 Lon: -116.848889), Type: Pole, Structure height: 11 m, Overall height: 11 m
Registrant: American Tower, L.P., 6802 S. 220th St., Kent, WA 98032, Phone: (425) 251-8480


Shelley L Aitoro, 240 S Hickory St (Lat: 33.122778 Lon: -117.075000), Type: Building, Structure height: 13.7 m, Overall height: 13.7 m, , Licensee ID: L00008376
Registrant: American Towers, Inc., 6802 S. 220th St., Kent, WA 98032, Phone: (425) 251-8480


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 24, 2009, 12:27:24 AM

 My sweet daughter and I went with a small search group this morning in an area north of escondido. We did't come across anything but maybe that area could be eliminated. They are wonderful people voluteering at the Bring Amber Home center but as Ampersand has said, if only there could be some renewed interest nationally and locally as well, it mifgt help to bring in some more volunteers and searchers.
It was rough terrain and being the rookies, sometimes I think we were more afraid of running into a rattle snake than keeping our focus on searching!  We both promised to do better next week. It was our first time at it and afterward it was ticks that were freaking us out.  Absolutely, my admiration for Tim Miller and all voluteers has skyrocketed.

As always, let's bring Amber home.

That is awesome Mizjay and sweet daughter.  Thank you for your efforts.  I live close to Tracy and my sweet daughters were planning on attending a search for Sandra Cantu, but sadly there was no need.  Thanks to people like you things get done!

CHiChi     After being here at SM, my awareness has been raised tenfold and with all these sick SOB's out there running amok........,I read quite a bit in Sandras thread , so sad, so crazy. No telling what will end up coming out. Your heart was in the right place.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 24, 2009, 12:27:42 AM

 My sweet daughter and I went with a small search group this morning in an area north of escondido. We did't come across anything but maybe that area could be eliminated. They are wonderful people voluteering at the Bring Amber Home center but as Ampersand has said, if only there could be some renewed interest nationally and locally as well, it mifgt help to bring in some more volunteers and searchers.
It was rough terrain and being the rookies, sometimes I think we were more afraid of running into a rattle snake than keeping our focus on searching!  We both promised to do better next week. It was our first time at it and afterward it was ticks that were freaking us out.  Absolutely, my admiration for Tim Miller and all voluteers has skyrocketed.

As always, let's bring Amber home.

Mizjay that is so wonderful!  I am sure that your efforts and help are greatly appreciated regardless of wether you are new at this or not.  God bless you !


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 24, 2009, 12:37:42 AM
Friday, February 15, 2008

 Crime History..

ESCONDIDO-----The body of an Escondido mother of four missing since Dec. 13 has been found at an Escondido park, Escondido police said.

The San Diego County Medical Examiner's office has positively identified the dead woman as Martha Lopez Perez, 43, Escondido police spokesman Lt. Bob Benton said.

A mountain biker found Perez's body on Saturday morning in a remote, brushy area of Jesmond Dene Park, in the northwest part the city, Benton said. Out of concern for Perez's family and loved ones, Escondido police kept the body's discovery quiet until it could be identified, he said.

Police are calling Perez's death suspicious but have not determined that she was murdered, Benton said. Her body was found in the same clothes she was wearing on Dec. 13, when she was last seen shopping in an AMVETS thrift store on East Valley Parkway, Benton said. The clothes and the body's condition indicate that Perez likely died around the same time she disappeared, Benton said.

Perez's manner of death was not immediately obvious from the condition of her body, Benton said, and the Medical Examiner's Office has not yet determined a cause of death.

Perez is originally from Chiapas, Mexico, and had lived in the U.S. for at least 16 years, her boyfriend of 10-years, Anselmo Hernandez, 32, said in January. He said she had four children, two in Atlanta and two who lived with the couple in Escondido. Benton said Perez was a legal U.S. resident.

Police have been investigating Perez's disappearance since Hernandez reported her missing the night of Dec. 13 but have few clues about what happened to her, Benton said. Anyone with any information about her disappearance or who saw anything suspicious in the Jesmond Dene Park area in December is asked to call either Detective John O'Donnell at (760) 839-4756, or Detective Miguel Ramirez at (760) 839-4925. Callers can leave anonymous information at (760) 743-TIPS.

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/02/15/news/breaking/10_30_3899_13_08.txt

Jesmond Dene Park is minutes from where Amber was last seen - it is my "understanding" that the park was "thoroughly" searched - the fact remains - it's a very large park. ::MonkeyNoNo::

lets consider that if it is the same person, that he again uses a park, but another park instead. then look at the person that made a post on a news article.. he also would not want to drive in front of the school.. so he heads out the opposite direction to the north.. then consider the parks in that direction.. they all need to be searched.. if amber is alive how far can he make her walk, if she is not alive she will not be to far from a parking position, which will be out of immediate view..

just a thought.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 24, 2009, 12:42:49 AM

 My sweet daughter and I went with a small search group this morning in an area north of escondido. We did't come across anything but maybe that area could be eliminated. They are wonderful people voluteering at the Bring Amber Home center but as Ampersand has said, if only there could be some renewed interest nationally and locally as well, it mifgt help to bring in some more volunteers and searchers.
It was rough terrain and being the rookies, sometimes I think we were more afraid of running into a rattle snake than keeping our focus on searching!  We both promised to do better next week. It was our first time at it and afterward it was ticks that were freaking us out.  Absolutely, my admiration for Tim Miller and all voluteers has skyrocketed.

As always, let's bring Amber home.

Mizjay that is so wonderful!  I am sure that your efforts and help are greatly appreciated regardless of wether you are new at this or not.  God bless you !

  Thanks NR    I'm not at all clear on why there isn't more detail from LE regarding the cell tower, but it looks to me like north Escondido might be zips  92082 or maybe 92029    It's such a big area  I'm awed at your mapping   


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 24, 2009, 12:48:38 AM

 My sweet daughter and I went with a small search group this morning in an area north of escondido. We did't come across anything but maybe that area could be eliminated. They are wonderful people voluteering at the Bring Amber Home center but as Ampersand has said, if only there could be some renewed interest nationally and locally as well, it mifgt help to bring in some more volunteers and searchers.
It was rough terrain and being the rookies, sometimes I think we were more afraid of running into a rattle snake than keeping our focus on searching!  We both promised to do better next week. It was our first time at it and afterward it was ticks that were freaking us out.  Absolutely, my admiration for Tim Miller and all voluteers has skyrocketed.

As always, let's bring Amber home.

Mizjay that is so wonderful!  I am sure that your efforts and help are greatly appreciated regardless of wether you are new at this or not.  God bless you !

  Thanks NR    I'm not at all clear on why there isn't more detail from LE regarding the cell tower, but it looks to me like north Escondido might be zips  92082 or maybe 92029    It's such a big area  I'm awed at your mapping   

Longs and Lats are my friends :).  I will see what I come up with for those two zips.  From the terrain pictures you put up I am guessing that the area would have dead spots as well as areas that would drop calls. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 24, 2009, 12:59:27 AM
mizjay
  I  think you and your daughter are absolutely wonderful for stepping up like that. Especially if you are not used to walking in wilderness.
please be careful.

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 24, 2009, 01:07:56 AM
mizjay
  I  think you and your daughter are absolutely wonderful for stepping up like that. Especially if you are not used to walking in wilderness.
please be careful.

 
  Thanks Edward compared to the effort others do on a daily basis in here and out the world it was nothing, but we want to help. My daughter has 2 boys and is always reminded everytime another abduction occurs that it could and does happen to anyone. We both said that if it happened to our family we would hope that people would try to be there for us.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 24, 2009, 01:14:46 AM

The frustrating thing, with your comments (EDWARD) about a possible park connection is that there are several big parks. Kit Carsen Park is not far, the one where the woman was found, Lake Wolford and up in that valley center area its all very remote but with a lot of accessible roads that wander back in the terrain.  There are also a couple of casinos up that way which is another place ppl. may work a night shift and be familiar with the out of the way spots however it still leaves open the question, why Amber?  Why at her school?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 24, 2009, 01:34:53 AM
Hello everyone, I just returned home and trying to catch up. If I can ask, did anyone one find out who the tall skinny boy was? would someone mind bumping the post about it? I can't seem to find it.

MizJay, searching is hard work both pysically and mentally. I wish I was closer, i would join you all.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 24, 2009, 01:48:06 AM
why Amber and why the school can't be answered at this time. endless loop questions.

parks are easy.. what is worse is the vast amount of vacant land.

what i have noticed about people that murder is this, they are lazy. they look for opportunity and then they look for isolated spots to dispose, but they want to drive to the isolated spot.

the woman who was murdered in the park was probably walked  alive to the isolated spot she was murdered at.
jmho



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 24, 2009, 01:53:54 AM
Hello everyone, I just returned home and trying to catch up. If I can ask, did anyone one find out who the tall skinny boy was? would someone mind bumping the post about it? I can't seem to find it.

MizJay, searching is hard work both pysically and mentally. I wish I was closer, i would join you all.



 A random long shot about the boy, wonder if Amber ever wrote any animal/wolf related articles in the school paper and it struck a chord with a person who lived in the reservation (indian) areas/

Wonder if anyone has ever looked at video from nearby gas/ corner markets to see if the red truck may have been seen, it's probably too much time past now but?

Wonder if anyone checked for red truck connection with any of the bus drivers? disgruntled employees/ angry boyfriends


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 24, 2009, 02:04:27 AM
why Amber and why the school can't be answered at this time. endless loop questions.

parks are easy.. what is worse is the vast amount of vacant land.

what i have noticed about people that murder is this, they are lazy. they look for opportunity and then they look for isolated spots to dispose, but they want to drive to the isolated spot.

the woman who was murdered in the park was probably walked  alive to the isolated spot she was murdered at.
jmho



 IA  if she was targeted a connection might surface but if it was opportunistic parks are a likely place. it's not unusual for a vehicle to be parked and unoccupied, with the perp just out of sight.
The vast undeveloped area is huge but seems like the person would have to be somewhat familiar, they'd surely see the need to be aware if it's someones ranch. or farm property and whether or not there would be regular activity on the road.  Or maybe when the demons that drive them take over they just don't care, but I think even those demons think it thru a little, so they don't get surprised.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 24, 2009, 02:29:10 AM
Narrowing down cell phone coverage area is not going to be easy with just a zipcode.  I will need something to narrow it down more.  The issue is though there are only 11 registered towers, that area is riddled with unregistered towers, none of either type are dedicated to Verizon.  I either need to know which towers they lease bandwidth from in the north area, or a better description of what "north" is.  Here is my issue.  I choose a address fairly central in the 92082 zip area. I then did a 4 mile radius search for towers.  I got 6 towers, 1 FCC registered, 5 not.  I know the height, strength, and distance of all towers.  The piece that is missing is which one does Verizon lease bandwith from to get their coverage so that I can map it? 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 24, 2009, 02:35:13 AM
Friday, February 15, 2008

 Crime History..

ESCONDIDO-----The body of an Escondido mother of four missing since Dec. 13 has been found at an Escondido park, Escondido police said.

The San Diego County Medical Examiner's office has positively identified the dead woman as Martha Lopez Perez, 43, Escondido police spokesman Lt. Bob Benton said.

A mountain biker found Perez's body on Saturday morning in a remote, brushy area of Jesmond Dene Park, in the northwest part the city, Benton said. Out of concern for Perez's family and loved ones, Escondido police kept the body's discovery quiet until it could be identified, he said.

Police are calling Perez's death suspicious but have not determined that she was murdered, Benton said. Her body was found in the same clothes she was wearing on Dec. 13, when she was last seen shopping in an AMVETS thrift store on East Valley Parkway, Benton said. The clothes and the body's condition indicate that Perez likely died around the same time she disappeared, Benton said.

Perez's manner of death was not immediately obvious from the condition of her body, Benton said, and the Medical Examiner's Office has not yet determined a cause of death.

Perez is originally from Chiapas, Mexico, and had lived in the U.S. for at least 16 years, her boyfriend of 10-years, Anselmo Hernandez, 32, said in January. He said she had four children, two in Atlanta and two who lived with the couple in Escondido. Benton said Perez was a legal U.S. resident.

Police have been investigating Perez's disappearance since Hernandez reported her missing the night of Dec. 13 but have few clues about what happened to her, Benton said. Anyone with any information about her disappearance or who saw anything suspicious in the Jesmond Dene Park area in December is asked to call either Detective John O'Donnell at (760) 839-4756, or Detective Miguel Ramirez at (760) 839-4925. Callers can leave anonymous information at (760) 743-TIPS.

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/02/15/news/breaking/10_30_3899_13_08.txt

Jesmond Dene Park is minutes from where Amber was last seen - it is my "understanding" that the park was "thoroughly" searched - the fact remains - it's a very large park. ::MonkeyNoNo::

lets consider that if it is the same person, that he again uses a park, but another park instead. then look at the person that made a post on a news article.. he also would not want to drive in front of the school.. so he heads out the opposite direction to the north.. then consider the parks in that direction.. they all need to be searched.. if amber is alive how far can he make her walk, if she is not alive she will not be to far from a parking position, which will be out of immediate view..

just a thought.

  One last note on this scenario, the above last known place that the woman was seen was on east valley parkway, if she was taken from that immediate area, the address of the Amvets store is toward the end of "town" just a little past there leads to several miles of sparsely populated area, another lake type place, dirt roads etc. Instead she was taken a completely different part of town, much more populated, a more conventional park sort of,  strikes me as the perpetrators comfort zone.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 24, 2009, 02:47:17 AM

 NORTHERNROSE   That's incredible work.   I'm clueless about what they meant or any of that but when you get a chance could you try 92026? Just for the fact that it is where that other woman was found at jesmond dene park


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 24, 2009, 02:48:46 AM
Jesmond Dene Park.  I find it interesting that there is a powerplant in that area.  Do they not work shiftwork?:


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 24, 2009, 02:54:57 AM
So much to read.  Thank you all.  I will do my best to answer, in no particular order, your many queres. The paragraphs are choppy in that each is directed at one or more questions you have posed.

Lovinlife:  I will cause the binders to go to 150 if that is what it takes.  When LE pointed out the 9 binders to me in the Lt.'s office, I told them that represented a SMALL case to me.  Most of my work in the past has been environmental law.  It is typical to have millions of documents and a  website dedicated to the pending case so as to control the paperwork.  So, 9 or 12, it is merely a number.  If it happens to be garbage in, it is garbage out.  Since we do not KNOW what is there, we are requesting an audit/review by an outside agency.  After all, EPD has never had a case like this before.  I would not want to have a brain surgeon that had never operated before to work on me and I am surely am not happy  to have novices in charge of finding Amber. It has nothing to do with "good intentions"...it is experience that is needed. Specific experience with kidnapping by a non-family member. LE always loses time with the assumption it is a family member.  No Amber Alert because no one saw anything.  No immediate dogs because maybe "she ran away" and it takes time to get them. Excuses.

Doubledeck: eventually, trailing and cadaver dogs were used.  Way..way...too late for most purposes.  We are prepared to bring in specially trained long term cadaver dogs in the future--with or without help of LE.

Her Verizon phone is model LG VX 10,000.  It was part of several purchased and maintained by my law office.  Amber did not use the voice elements very often. She texted.  In the month before she was taken: 294 texts, 417 in text, 31 pix.  The in calling was only 88 min for the month. 

Wolves: See article in current BringAmberHome.com which explains her history with wolves.
No, she has not been to Wolf Mt. Sanctuary.  The small pendant seen on photos of Amber dressed for her school holiday dance was not the general one she wore on a day to day basis.  The one she wore, and had on when she was taken, is one I had made for her and is very unique, sterling silver, wolf head in 3 dimension.  LE has the details on the pendant and also of another piece of jewelry she was wearing which I bought her in Ireland and which I have been requested not to detail by LE. 

Amber liked to write stories.  She wrote about a girl who was lost and raised by wolves. She had previously read about girls/dolphins in similar situations.  I do not know what is meant by the cite to Lance Foxx that states she may have been a "furry writer" so perhaps someone can let me know.  I will say that her stories could be read in Sunday school.

Blink: the weekend of Feb. 7-8-9 Amber took the train to Fullerton and was met by Maurice DuBois, her birth father.  She had the 9th off school so she was put on the train Monday evening.  She must ride near the conductor, but, on Fri/Sun trips there are others kids she knows and they talk during the trips.  Monday: she was alone.  Although she did not say she was nervous, in the 5 hours between getting on the train and going to bed, she exchanged over 70 text messages with me...a lot even for the 2 of us.  It was usual talk about a book she was reading on line, telling me she really wanted to see a movie with her cousin Kelly and that is why I did not get to see her on Monday (yes, I was hurt and she knew it but who could have thought it could be ...what it has become).

I told LE that I was concerned because "new" people would have seen her on the commuter train and someone could easily have followed her home that night.  LE elected to ignore that so far as I can ascertain.  The train has no cameras.

She went to school TWTh. Thurs night she made a valentine's package for her 5 year old sister because Carrie was bringing the sister up to visit with me from Thurs nite thru Mon night.  Sister was excited with the gifts from Amber. That night I sent Amber a text telling her what a great big sister she was.  Amber replied by text to me Fri morning at 6:23 a.m.  It woke me up.  Now, I wish I had gotten up and called her, but the message didn't seek a reply  so I stayed in bed a bit longer until sister woke up.

That morning the school left a message on the answering machine at home that Amber had missed first period.  Amber had a perfect attendance record.  I remain in shock that the school thinks a phone call to a message is sufficient notice. 

When Amber did not call in after school, Carrie left work and came home.  She called me in utter hysterics that Amber was missing and to have me contact Verizon.  The operator tried to get though on Amber's line (in case Amber did not want a call from family) and replied that Amber had answered her phone and hung up.  That was incorrect as Verizon later confirmed to me.  Amber had a LONG message to make you think she was on line with you when it was only a recording.

CAVEAT:  Amber's first phone of this type was stolen at school in October and recovered by LE after she was taken from us. The one in use is still missing.  I think it was thrown away by whoever took her because of tracking possiblities.  The phone is still on service, so, if charged, would function.  Her charger was left at home because Amber expected to be home that afternoon.

All the numbers she called or received from were checked out by family and LE.  I check the account regularly.  No action.

Cannot answer re: connects with other cases.  We send other data to LE in case they have not seen it on their own.  So, your help in connects is vital to us.

We arranged for drone overflight photos which were given to LE.  LE "says" they showed nothing.  I have repeatedly asked for a set for our own experts to review for abnormalities in the land, to date, have not received them. 

Foot searches every week since she was taken. Detailed maps on areas searched. 

Satellite: photos are related to sun movement so not relevant to our time period.

Aerial:  We have "Eye on Amber" project  work being done by Carrie's sisters and me  in which we are searching private enterprise for any plane over Escondido that morning who did photography.  Needle in haystack...but we continue search and inquiry. All help gratefully received.

My belief is that any such photo will evidence that Amber was taken BEFORE she crossed over Broadway towards school.  I believe the responsible persons probably took her on Paradise and then turned right on Broadway towards Jesmond Dere Park.

EPD Lt. states his belief in the 2 eye witnesses driving their kid to school that claim they saw Amber near the school driveway is 90%.  Rain, construction trucks, no place to park to drop off your child, congested streets and inaccuracy by eye witnesses in general leave questions in my mind.  The fact that these two parents kids are shown entering the school at the time frames only prove those kids were there, not that Amber was..as I explained the LE when they did a diagram of the movements.   

BUT, I continue to work on the "red truck" issues because nothing can be ignored. Tomorrow will discuss the truck in detail.

Yes, EPD remains lead.  FBI interviewed family members in LA County in their homes.  They went through all of Amber's drawers in my house, by example. They found a birthday card with money in it from her Great Grandfather.  The agent's commented to one another that ..she did not run away because she would take all the money if she had.  They asked why the money was still in the drawer.  I said Amber knew she could not take it out until she had written her thank you note, and, she had not , so it was still there.

There is nothing more I can tell you that FBI contributions except that one agent interviewed me along with an EPD Detective when I went to EPD. It was several hours.  After the first hour, they placed a paper in front of me that was a portion of a text message I had sent to Carrie. (Yes, I gave them permission to get the phone records.)  With what can only be described as glee in their eyes, they asked me to explain why, AFTER Amber was missing, I sent Carrie a text that said "...Amber home...." . I told the FBI agent to go to his tech person and get the whole message.  After a bit, they put it together.  The message related to my daughter, Carrie, was that  when Amber's sister had awakened, the first words she said were
" Grandmom, is Amber home?"  This experience relates in  the formation of my opinion as to the efficacy of the investigation.

Amber did not like to shop and was not into clothes or "matching underwear" type of things.  I bought a lot of her clothes.  We sat at the computer and shopped  Macy's on line most of the time.  So, I was able to provide exact copies of her clothing to LE. She was very modest about her person.  I asked her if she had a crush on anyone during our marathon train trip texting and she said no but one day she would find someone and I would call him her husband. That speaks  about her values and Christian belief.

So, this is long and I am quite tired.  Thank you for the comments about the funeral.  The lady adored Amber. Her own child had died at death. She had a long, full life and I never heard her complain or say a bad word about anyone.  RIP Delysia.

I will write about the truck tomorrow. Final comments:

Thank you for the suggestion re: Federal Marshalls.  I will make those contacts.

Thank you to everyone writing to media on Amber's behalf.  You might want to edit the letters in the following regards:

Nancy Grace put 2 short segments on her show early on the search.  She should be asked what happened and why there has not been any follow up.  [I have the tapes but don't know how to provide them to you to review off my TIVO.] 

AMW also did a brief segment on Amber early on. 

To write a letter that you are a regular fan and fail to know about  the previously shown segment(s) is a bit of clue that you are not! But, maybe they just count letters not content.

God bless you all.  Quoting Agatha: Keep your little grey cells working for our Amber.

AmbersGrandmom



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 24, 2009, 02:59:10 AM

Girl, you are fast!!  Well that's VERY interesting, seems for sure your observation about the possible night work along with the perp wanting and NEEDING to go places they're familiar with...... hmmmm well, somebody who knows more about the ping will have to let you know.   I'm impressed with the mapping   :salut:


THat's all I got tonight, so goodnight from me.  Talk to you later, thanks for all your work.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 24, 2009, 03:14:58 AM

Girl, you are fast!!  Well that's VERY interesting, seems for sure your observation about the possible night work along with the perp wanting and NEEDING to go places they're familiar with...... hmmmm well, somebody who knows more about the ping will have to let you know.   I'm impressed with the mapping   :salut:


THat's all I got tonight, so goodnight from me.  Talk to you later, thanks for all your work.
  NORTHERNROSE  the post above was for you, I didn't realize that AMBERS GRANDMOM posted in between.

AG   Thanks for all the background and information.  Try to get some rest.    Hugs for you from a monkey friend


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 24, 2009, 03:20:30 AM
AG thank you so much for the answers to the many questions we have.  I can try to explain the "furry" reference by Lance Foxx.  Furry is a fascination with anthropomorphic animals which human capabilities.  We have a nephew who is a active Furry.  He draws and writes about the characters that he has developed which are his alter ego so to speak when he is with other Furries. He has developed character sheets why explain his character in detail from colour to special markings etc. There are actual gatherings/conventions of Furries and depending on the level of involvement, some even come in their Furry persona costumes.  I believe the fact that Amber had written the one story you refer to on the website, the pendant and the fact that there is an account on one of the Furry prose registered to wolfintheend , it may be an assumption by some that Amber may be a furry - have a wolf persona that she has created as part of her story writing.  I do not fully understand the Furry thing, but apparently there are quite a few that have this interest .  There are several websites that are dedicated to Furries so they can share their stories and art.  Being of the old school, the best way I can describe it is some children when young pretend to be horses, dog, cats, etc.  in their play.  Furries  rather than outgrowing this part of their imaginations, embraced and expanded it and it is actually another side of them. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 24, 2009, 03:28:54 AM
Night mizjay.  You deserve a very restful sleep after all your effort today.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Blink34 on May 24, 2009, 08:36:59 AM
Ambers Grandmom-

I am jammed for time today, but wanted you to know I checked back here to see your thorough and extensive reply.

Please email our SM admin @: Klaasend@scaredmonkeys.com

She will put us in touch and I have some contacts for you re: the Satellite/Aerial Data.

Edward, Northern, MizJay and everyone working so hard on here, fantastic data.

Will post more when I get a chance.

B


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Blink34 on May 24, 2009, 08:42:45 AM
For anyone that might know:

Did EPD set up any roadblocks at the same time of the morning Amber went missing in the area? Any traffic cams, any convenience store cams, go through all traffic tickets for that morning, etc, next day, etc.

What vehicle detailing/Full service car wash data is available, has all this been checked, their regular dumpster routes, etc.

EPD should be able to account for every available possible piece of footage, have they?



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Dolce on May 24, 2009, 12:35:36 PM
---snip---

Thank you to everyone writing to media on Amber's behalf.  You might want to edit the letters in the following regards:

Nancy Grace put 2 short segments on her show early on the search.  She should be asked what happened and why there has not been any follow up.  [I have the tapes but don't know how to provide them to you to review off my TIVO.] 

AMW also did a brief segment on Amber early on. 

To write a letter that you are a regular fan and fail to know about  the previously shown segment(s) is a bit of clue that you are not! But, maybe they just count letters not content.

God bless you all.  Quoting Agatha: Keep your little grey cells working for our Amber.

AmbersGrandmom



No offense, but I believe that the sample email that was put together was alright, I will tweek it a bit more for the next time I run around requesting that people send in their requests.  The sample email does not state that they have never aired her story, just requests that they do.

Sample email:

Quote
Hello -

I am a faithful, longtime viewer.  I would like to call to your attention the case of Amber Dubois  - this beautiful 14 year old girl who went missing in Escondido, CA .

I want to hear more about this case.  I want to see her featured as a missing person.  This child’s disappearance could happen to any family and it is scary!  Please research and air her story.

Regards,


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Dolce on May 24, 2009, 12:37:16 PM
Just want to note that I was not posting that to be arguementative, just posting that so that those who wrote or used that email will know that it was alright.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 24, 2009, 12:37:37 PM
Ambers Grandmom :

I have some information for you that I don't feel should be put out on a public board.  Is there a way for me to get it to you? 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 24, 2009, 12:37:38 PM
I don't understnad why LE first thought Amber ran away, nothing about her would make you first think that, other then age. I wonder how many teenaged girls are simply listed as runaway when in fact they were taken? Shameful. 

What is the backround regarding the thin kid amber was seen talking to? Did that happen? I still can't seem to find that posting. Where did that take place on the walk? this person could have been a lure to get her for someone else. 

The parking lot where the truck was seen, is this a known spot for kids to go to do drugs before schoool? I remember in my high school there was a place in the back of the school some kids would go. His is been check if as truck such as that one could be associated with anyone at school, either kids, parents etc... If this person was not involved then maybe they saw something but are afraid to come forward?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 24, 2009, 12:49:33 PM
Just want to note that I was not posting that to be arguementative, just posting that so that those who wrote or used that email will know that it was alright.

      ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 24, 2009, 12:55:38 PM
I don't understnad why LE first thought Amber ran away, nothing about her would make you first think that, other then age. I wonder how many teenaged girls are simply listed as runaway when in fact they were taken? Shameful. 

What is the backround regarding the thin kid amber was seen talking to? Did that happen? I still can't seem to find that posting. Where did that take place on the walk? this person could have been a lure to get her for someone else. 

The parking lot where the truck was seen, is this a known spot for kids to go to do drugs before schoool? I remember in my high school there was a place in the back of the school some kids would go. His is been check if as truck such as that one could be associated with anyone at school, either kids, parents etc... If this person was not involved then maybe they saw something but are afraid to come forward?

  All good questions TRACYGIRL,  I don't know any answers, but like you, have thoughts and ideas about those "sightings" but I'm not even sure if these are accurate or directly linked with her disappearance.  So far, seems like very few confirmed facts.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: BluesyGram on May 24, 2009, 03:16:13 PM
This story is just so sad.  Sorry that I have not read EVERY page of this thread about Amber, just enough to try to get somewhat up to date.  Have a couple of questions/suggestions.

1.  Has a Registered Sex Offender map been produced and looked at?

2.  Has the family/LE/FBI asked the cell phone company for a ping map with the directions of the pings?  From what I have been told...the cell phone pings even when there are no calls.  So unless the perps grabbed the phone and turned it off immediately, we should be able to at least see what direction they were going in.

3.  Hiring a ping expert to map those directions shouldn't be that difficult (we saw what LE produced in the Caylee case).

4.  Has anyone filmed a drive-through so we can see the conditions and blind spots on her path that day?

MizJay..it's absolutely awesome that you all are close enough that you all can help w/the search.  God Bless You and may all of His Angels surround all and protect all of you on all future searches.  Yes, please watch out for the snakes.  Have watched that emergency room show that shows about those snake bites in that area.

NorthernRose....you are wonderful w/those maps, research, etc.

Praying for her safe return every day.  Thanks Dolce for all of your hard work.  Have sent a letter every day to the shows.

Praying Amber is returned soon.

PS. Ambers GrandMom....am so sorry for yours' and all of Amber's families' pain and what has happened to Amber.  You all are doing all that you can for her.  Hopefully your prayers will be answered soon)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 24, 2009, 03:57:48 PM

The frustrating thing, with your comments (EDWARD) about a possible park connection is that there are several big parks. Kit Carsen Park is not far, the one where the woman was found, Lake Wolford and up in that valley center area its all very remote but with a lot of accessible roads that wander back in the terrain.  There are also a couple of casinos up that way which is another place ppl. may work a night shift and be familiar with the out of the way spots however it still leaves open the question, why Amber?  Why at her school?

1.  Thank you to you and your daughter for helping to search - all of the generous volunteer efforts to bring Amber home mean so much to my family and me.

2.  You're on point about there being so many parks and rural, rugged terrain in the area.  Too many places to hide bad things.

3.  It seems too deliberate to abudct someone in front of some many potential witnesses in front of a busy school - bringing me to think Amber was targeted or knew the abductor - JMO


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 24, 2009, 04:11:55 PM

 NORTHERNROSE   That's incredible work.   I'm clueless about what they meant or any of that but when you get a chance could you try 92026? Just for the fact that it is where that other woman was found at jesmond dene park

Wow, great work NR - Mizjay has a good idea - I don't know what specifically LE meant by "north" - I'm going to hazard a guess that it's in the area East of Int 15, West of Valley Center Rd, South of Old Castle and North of E. El Norte Rd. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 24, 2009, 04:13:58 PM
OMG - NR is fast - disregard my previous post!   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 24, 2009, 04:32:51 PM
 AMPERSAND   Hi.   This will probably sound ridiculous but at this point?????/    IF a classmate knew that she would have cash ( or was it check?) that day to purchase the lamb, could there be any thought of a robbery by the student and an older sibling or friend that could drive.   Do you have eyes and ears by way of Ambers friends?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 24, 2009, 04:44:32 PM
Ambers Grandmom-

I am jammed for time today, but wanted you to know I checked back here to see your thorough and extensive reply.

Please email our SM admin @: Klaasend@scaredmonkeys.com

She will put us in touch and I have some contacts for you re: the Satellite/Aerial Data.

Edward, Northern, MizJay and everyone working so hard on here, fantastic data.

Will post more when I get a chance.

B

I emailed this post directly to my Mom (Amber's Grandmom) so she can write to SM admin.  Also - any information sent to missingamber at the yahoo account is forwarded by me to Mom and family.  Just FYI, thanks. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 24, 2009, 04:47:20 PM
AMPERSAND   Hi.   This will probably sound ridiculous but at this point?????/    IF a classmate knew that she would have cash ( or was it check?) that day to purchase the lamb, could there be any thought of a robbery by the student and an older sibling or friend that could drive.   Do you have eyes and ears by way of Ambers friends?

Only unasked questions are ridiculous  ::MonkeyCool::

It was a check - it has never been cashed or located.  I don't believe that Amber's friends have been very helpful as "eyes and ears" unfortunately.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 24, 2009, 05:02:39 PM
Just want to note that I was not posting that to be arguementative, just posting that so that those who wrote or used that email will know that it was alright.

      ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 24, 2009, 05:04:29 PM
AMPERSAND   Hi.   This will probably sound ridiculous but at this point?????/    IF a classmate knew that she would have cash ( or was it check?) that day to purchase the lamb, could there be any thought of a robbery by the student and an older sibling or friend that could drive.   Do you have eyes and ears by way of Ambers friends?

Only unasked questions are ridiculous  ::MonkeyCool::

It was a check - it has never been cashed or located.  I don't believe that Amber's friends have been very helpful as "eyes and ears" unfortunately.

Ok that's out.    If I run with the jesmond dene park idea,  solely based on the other abduction and the cell ping coming from the "north" which that would be,  If it was a person with a night job or maybe a construction worker ( often, they have black friday/no work) that may frequent the park in the early-mid morning, as a hang out to unwind, maybe it would be worthwile to kind of stake it out. Just see who comes and goes at that time of day. I'm not talking about hiking thru but just trolling around in a car.  These ideas that I pop off with don't have to have a response unless they sound remotely helpful, I'm just brainstorming and I know ya'll are inudated with questions and tasks. j


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on May 24, 2009, 05:09:42 PM
In the searches has the landscaping etc. at 322 Vista been covered throughly?  Amber could have dropped something if she was attacked in the area.  I don't know if your neighborhood RSO is still living there, or living at all, but it worries me knowing he was at one time.   

Amber's Aunt and Grandmom, I too have doubts about the eyewitnesses.  Could just be honest mistakes.   Perhaps she is still in a house in the immediate area.    JMO

Just my mulling over the situation again.  You are doing a fantastic job for Amber!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Chi-M


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on May 24, 2009, 05:12:36 PM
Ambersand & Ambersgrandmom ~ I left you a note here:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5034.msg818518#msg818518 (just click the link)  I didn't want to muddy up conversation. 

Peace & Love to Amber and all the missing!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 24, 2009, 05:15:56 PM
In the searches has the landscaping etc. at 322 Vista been covered throughly?  Amber could have dropped something if she was attacked in the area.  I don't know if your neighborhood RSO is still living there, or living at all, but it worries me knowing he was at one time.   

Amber's Aunt and Grandmom, I too have doubts about the eyewitnesses.  Could just be honest mistakes.   Perhaps she is still in a house in the immediate area.    JMO

Just my mulling over the situation again.  You are doing a fantastic job for Amber!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Chi-M

  Good question CHI.

Also, are there any known transient camps nearby?  Sounds crazy, but in  large canyon type are between my house and the freeway is home to a fairly big population of the dudes that hang out on the corner looking for work. Don't ask me how they shower and all, but in fact they do live there year round


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on May 24, 2009, 05:36:36 PM
mizjay,   I live far from Escondido, so I can't tell anything about the possible migrant workers camps there.  I think we all have them now.  While e-driving google around the city, I did go on out Vista since drivers going to work every morning could have seen Amber on her way to school.  In addition to some nice housing areas, I noticed there were a lot of "scrappy" looking horse holding fields.  There were many horse trailers and pickups.   Hummmm.

Amber's possible "furry" writing and screen name "wolfintheend" sent me out searching for stories.  I failed to find any by her or mentioning her, but I found a short story that may have influenced her chosen name.  This is an example of "furry" writing I think.  The people are part wolf.   
 
http://www.aflyinamber.net/?p=108

Chi-M


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 24, 2009, 07:30:53 PM
Ambers Grandmom

 Thank you for your detailed post..

On the train .. In the Depot there must be cameras. There may be evidence of ticket purchased..

Williams attacks the 16 year old in El Cajon.. He was arrested at a a family members home in San Diego..

What If...

Try to have ELE  or Anyone who can see if Williams was on that train..
He may have sat with or near her and made some contact, enough to figure out where she lives and what school she went to..
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 24, 2009, 07:36:57 PM
Ambersand & Ambersgrandmom ~ I left you a note here:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5034.msg818518#msg818518 (just click the link)  I didn't want to muddy up conversation. 

Peace & Love to Amber and all the missing!

LL - you're just fine - please don't worry of such things - Mom and I are well aware that everyone here is working toward bringing Amber - and so many others - home to their families.   ::MonkeyAngel::

If anything - I may be the one who needs to "back-peddle" - I'm often trying to do so many things at the same time - my posts may seem abrupt.  You all bring a whole new meaning to "monkey work" - I'm amazed and so grateful ~ Lisa


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 24, 2009, 07:40:41 PM
In the searches has the landscaping etc. at 322 Vista been covered throughly?  Amber could have dropped something if she was attacked in the area.  I don't know if your neighborhood RSO is still living there, or living at all, but it worries me knowing he was at one time.   

Amber's Aunt and Grandmom, I too have doubts about the eyewitnesses.  Could just be honest mistakes.   Perhaps she is still in a house in the immediate area.    JMO

Just my mulling over the situation again.  You are doing a fantastic job for Amber!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Chi-M

Thank you - I've flagged this for follow up with LE.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 24, 2009, 07:45:11 PM
AG thank you so much for the answers to the many questions we have.  I can try to explain the "furry" reference by Lance Foxx.  Furry is a fascination with anthropomorphic animals which human capabilities.  We have a nephew who is a active Furry.  He draws and writes about the characters that he has developed which are his alter ego so to speak when he is with other Furries. He has developed character sheets why explain his character in detail from colour to special markings etc. There are actual gatherings/conventions of Furries and depending on the level of involvement, some even come in their Furry persona costumes.  I believe the fact that Amber had written the one story you refer to on the website, the pendant and the fact that there is an account on one of the Furry prose registered to wolfintheend , it may be an assumption by some that Amber may be a furry - have a wolf persona that she has created as part of her story writing.  I do not fully understand the Furry thing, but apparently there are quite a few that have this interest .  There are several websites that are dedicated to Furries so they can share their stories and art.  Being of the old school, the best way I can describe it is some children when young pretend to be horses, dog, cats, etc.  in their play.  Furries  rather than outgrowing this part of their imaginations, embraced and expanded it and it is actually another side of them. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: BluesyGram on May 24, 2009, 07:48:16 PM
AMPERSAND   Hi.   This will probably sound ridiculous but at this point?????/    IF a classmate knew that she would have cash ( or was it check?) that day to purchase the lamb, could there be any thought of a robbery by the student and an older sibling or friend that could drive.   Do you have eyes and ears by way of Ambers friends?

Only unasked questions are ridiculous  ::MonkeyCool::

It was a check - it has never been cashed or located.  I don't believe that Amber's friends have been very helpful as "eyes and ears" unfortunately.

Ok that's out.    If I run with the jesmond dene park idea,  solely based on the other abduction and the cell ping coming from the "north" which that would be,  If it was a person with a night job or maybe a construction worker ( often, they have black friday/no work) that may frequent the park in the early-mid morning, as a hang out to unwind, maybe it would be worthwile to kind of stake it out. Just see who comes and goes at that time of day. I'm not talking about hiking thru but just trolling around in a car.  These ideas that I pop off with don't have to have a response unless they sound remotely helpful, I'm just brainstorming and I know ya'll are inudated with questions and tasks. j


Wasn't it raining that day?  Was it raining enough to call work off for that day anyway?  

Sometimes transients work construction.  Maybe someone working construction had watched Amber and targeted her.  Has LE checked out their workers to see if anyone did something 'out of the ordinary' that day?  Left town, left their paycheck?




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Dolce on May 24, 2009, 07:50:28 PM
I received what seems to be a type of "auto response" from AMW and Nancy Grace.  I hope that these e-mails will be taken seriously, I have seen us Monkeys work wonders in the past, and my prayer is that once again we will do so for Amber.

Keep it up Monkeys! 

I am really hoping to connect with Nancy Grace using the angle of the twins....lets hope this big fish takes the bait!
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: (I know feel free to tell me its wrong!)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 24, 2009, 07:59:46 PM
AG thank you so much for the answers to the many questions we have.  I can try to explain the "furry" reference by Lance Foxx.  Furry is a fascination with anthropomorphic animals which human capabilities.  We have a nephew who is a active Furry.  He draws and writes about the characters that he has developed which are his alter ego so to speak when he is with other Furries. He has developed character sheets why explain his character in detail from colour to special markings etc. There are actual gatherings/conventions of Furries and depending on the level of involvement, some even come in their Furry persona costumes.  I believe the fact that Amber had written the one story you refer to on the website, the pendant and the fact that there is an account on one of the Furry prose registered to wolfintheend , it may be an assumption by some that Amber may be a furry - have a wolf persona that she has created as part of her story writing.  I do not fully understand the Furry thing, but apparently there are quite a few that have this interest .  There are several websites that are dedicated to Furries so they can share their stories and art.  Being of the old school, the best way I can describe it is some children when young pretend to be horses, dog, cats, etc.  in their play.  Furries  rather than outgrowing this part of their imaginations, embraced and expanded it and it is actually another side of them. 
And I thought that was just a story line on CSI.  Thanks for the explanation.  Amber draws every kind of imagined animal, starting with unicorns as a young girl and now quite unusual types.  Most don't appear furry to me. She imagined herself being a dolphin when younger, often a horse, and certainly did the usual play type things. I have encouraged her love of wolves.  One Halloween I spent HOURS on a costume for her.  That was enough...she about melted from the fur. I don't see Furries as being any different from Trekies  or Harry Potter fans.  Certainly, these are  better than getting lost in drugs or criminal activity.  Using the imagination also is to be preferred over being a couch potato as way too many kids are these days.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 24, 2009, 08:04:43 PM
AMPERSAND   Hi.   This will probably sound ridiculous but at this point?????/    IF a classmate knew that she would have cash ( or was it check?) that day to purchase the lamb, could there be any thought of a robbery by the student and an older sibling or friend that could drive.   Do you have eyes and ears by way of Ambers friends?

Only unasked questions are ridiculous  ::MonkeyCool::

It was a check - it has never been cashed or located.  I don't believe that Amber's friends have been very helpful as "eyes and ears" unfortunately.

Ok that's out.    If I run with the jesmond dene park idea,  solely based on the other abduction and the cell ping coming from the "north" which that would be,  If it was a person with a night job or maybe a construction worker ( often, they have black friday/no work) that may frequent the park in the early-mid morning, as a hang out to unwind, maybe it would be worthwile to kind of stake it out. Just see who comes and goes at that time of day. I'm not talking about hiking thru but just trolling around in a car.  These ideas that I pop off with don't have to have a response unless they sound remotely helpful, I'm just brainstorming and I know ya'll are inudated with questions and tasks. j


Wasn't it raining that day?  Was it raining enough to call work off for that day anyway?  

Sometimes transients work construction.  Maybe someone working construction had watched Amber and targeted her.  Has LE checked out their workers to see if anyone did something 'out of the ordinary' that day?  Left town, left their paycheck?

It was misting on and off - it started to POUR Friday night and continued through Monday


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Dolce on May 24, 2009, 08:08:09 PM
Northern Rose, thanks for that explanation on Furries, that is interesting.  I swear I learn something new every day here.

AmbersGM, thank you for coming here and answering the many questions that all of us have.  Your help and Lisa's help and insight is very much apreciated.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 24, 2009, 08:12:32 PM
Just want to note that I was not posting that to be arguementative, just posting that so that those who wrote or used that email will know that it was alright.

All the letters are more than alright.  The point was, in case someone wanted to be more specific, they could make the earlier references.  As I said before, I do not know if only the numbers are counted, or, if someone reads for content.

The interview by Nancy Grace was shown on Lou Dobbs Tonight on Wed. 2/25  Marc Klass was interviewed as was Amber's birth father, Maurice DuBois.

Nancy Grace did a short bit repeating the above on 2/27

Nancy did a longer piece on 2/28 opening with Carrie, repeating the Klaas bit, adding PI Garcia.

AMW had a segment on 2/28 with both parents.
 
LE received tips but they did not produce any results.  Other than a lot of coverage in San Diego county (for which we are grateful) , that is pretty much it re: tv.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 24, 2009, 08:13:44 PM
I received what seems to be a type of "auto response" from AMW and Nancy Grace.  I hope that these e-mails will be taken seriously, I have seen us Monkeys work wonders in the past, and my prayer is that once again we will do so for Amber.

Keep it up Monkeys! 

I am really hoping to connect with Nancy Grace using the angle of the twins....lets hope this big fish takes the bait!
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: (I know feel free to tell me its wrong!)

Tia - thank you so much - blessings to you, your family and your wonderfully anticipated!

From the responses I'm getting at missingamber - Inboxes are full  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 24, 2009, 08:28:06 PM
For anyone that might know:

Did EPD set up any roadblocks at the same time of the morning Amber went missing in the area? Any traffic cams, any convenience store cams, go through all traffic tickets for that morning, etc, next day, etc.

What vehicle detailing/Full service car wash data is available, has all this been checked, their regular dumpster routes, etc.

EPD should be able to account for every available possible piece of footage, have they?


  No roadblocks because no Amber Alert was issued by EPD. The high school left a voice message that Amber missed her first period (she had perfect attendance!) so Carrie did not know until 4 pm that she had not been in school.  When Amber did not call at 3:30 she was in her car and searching for her!

The EPD considered her a runaway.  It took a lot of work to get them to enter her as "missing."  I was 100 miles away at the time, so, cannot give more details about how difficult it was for Carrie and Dave to persuade LE that she did not run away!

We have been told that the "ONLY" footage is that of the red truck and OTHER children entering school.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 24, 2009, 08:31:29 PM
Ambers Grandmom :

I have some information for you that I don't feel should be put out on a public board.  Is there a way for me to get it to you? 

Email the SM admin and she will put us in touch.  Thanks. GM


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 24, 2009, 08:33:18 PM
Ambers Grandmom-

I am jammed for time today, but wanted you to know I checked back here to see your thorough and extensive reply.

Please email our SM admin @: Klaasend@scaredmonkeys.com

She will put us in touch and I have some contacts for you re: the Satellite/Aerial Data.

Edward, Northern, MizJay and everyone working so hard on here, fantastic data.

Will post more when I get a chance.

B

OK. Done.  Thank you.  GM


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 24, 2009, 08:47:37 PM
Ambers GrandMom


Why do you consider Paradise drive?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 24, 2009, 08:51:13 PM
I don't understnad why LE first thought Amber ran away, nothing about her would make you first think that, other then age. I wonder how many teenaged girls are simply listed as runaway when in fact they were taken? Shameful. 

What is the backround regarding the thin kid amber was seen talking to? Did that happen? I still can't seem to find that posting. Where did that take place on the walk? this person could have been a lure to get her for someone else. 

The parking lot where the truck was seen, is this a known spot for kids to go to do drugs before schoool? I remember in my high school there was a place in the back of the school some kids would go. His is been check if as truck such as that one could be associated with anyone at school, either kids, parents etc... If this person was not involved then maybe they saw something but are afraid to come forward?

Yes, it is shameful.  Some others and myself will be working in the future to change the Amber Alert system to allow for situations like this one.  At that time, I will surely ask for your help.  Selfishly, right now my priority is for our Amber.

One of the parents who reported they saw Amber walking in the rain to school in the middle of construction mess, while fighting traffic, also said a tall male was walking adjacent to her. No one knows more than that.  Fact or imagination? Another student hurrying to class?  An evil man who held a knife or gun? A partner in crime to the man in the red truck?  We do not know that, or, even that Amber got that far that day.

If there was such a man threatening Amber, I can tell you that she would have gone with him rather than be the cause of him shooting all the other kids walking to school that day.  Both the FBI and EPD made a BIG deal out of the fact that no one saw Amber in a struggle to be put into a car or van.  BFD. She is 14.  She was afraid.  What would you do?  Scream and be responsible for the killing of your friends???

The parking lot is between the school and the farm.  I don't think the kids who are working in the muck and mire to raise livestock are in to drugs, so I would have to say NO to the location question. I am very impressed with the FFA members I have met there. I do not know about the drug situation in general at the high school.

LE says they checked out everything connected with the truck and parking lot.  However, we are anxious for an overview of their "notebooks."   


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 24, 2009, 08:59:46 PM
AMPERSAND   Hi.   This will probably sound ridiculous but at this point?????/    IF a classmate knew that she would have cash ( or was it check?) that day to purchase the lamb, could there be any thought of a robbery by the student and an older sibling or friend that could drive.   Do you have eyes and ears by way of Ambers friends?

Only unasked questions are ridiculous  ::MonkeyCool::

It was a check - it has never been cashed or located.  I don't believe that Amber's friends have been very helpful as "eyes and ears" unfortunately.

Ok that's out.    If I run with the jesmond dene park idea,  solely based on the other abduction and the cell ping coming from the "north" which that would be,  If it was a person with a night job or maybe a construction worker ( often, they have black friday/no work) that may frequent the park in the early-mid morning, as a hang out to unwind, maybe it would be worthwile to kind of stake it out. Just see who comes and goes at that time of day. I'm not talking about hiking thru but just trolling around in a car.  These ideas that I pop off with don't have to have a response unless they sound remotely helpful, I'm just brainstorming and I know ya'll are inudated with questions and tasks. j
mizjay: This park was the first place I searched.  A poster on the tree for Amber had been vandalized.  Strong feelings remain...it is a big place. GM


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 24, 2009, 09:36:41 PM
In the searches has the landscaping etc. at 322 Vista been covered throughly?  Amber could have dropped something if she was attacked in the area.  I don't know if your neighborhood RSO is still living there, or living at all, but it worries me knowing he was at one time.   

Amber's Aunt and Grandmom, I too have doubts about the eyewitnesses.  Could just be honest mistakes.   Perhaps she is still in a house in the immediate area.    JMO

Just my mulling over the situation again.  You are doing a fantastic job for Amber!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Chi-M
A clear problem is that if the eyewitnesses realized a mistake, they would likely be afraid to admit to it. I have driven the street SO many times when kids are walking along the sidewalk.  It is really hard to spot a face under a hoodie...and I have not made the drive with rain OR construction trucks parked along the road.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 24, 2009, 10:06:46 PM
No idea if this is connected but it mentions she was going to California and this guy is still missing as well.

Fugitive, Teenage Girl May Be Headed To Anime Conventions
 
Cops in Oklahoma are looking for 40-year-old James Reimer because they believe he took off with 14-year-old Deborah Kalai Fourzan.


   View Larger Cops in Oklahoma say on Feb. 2, 2009, James "Jim" Joseph Reimer took off with 14-year-old Deborah Kalai Fourzan, who goes by Kalai.

Neither have been seen since.

Reimer was a close friend of Kalai's mother Crystal Vanbuskirk and her husband, Richard.

In January, Crystal took away Kalai's cell phone and discovered sexually explicit text messages -- that seemed to be coming from Reimer.

Crystal took the phone straight to police, who questioned Reimer.

Reimer claimed the two had been role playing stories from Anime cartoons and that none of it was serious.

"I like to tell stories," Reimer said.

Police didn't buy it and worked to get a warrant, but didn't act soon enough.

On Feb. 2, 2009, Kalai was dropped off at her high school in Tecumseh, Okla., but never made it to class.

She told friends she was going to an Anime convention in California with a family friend named "Jim."

Her friends didn't know Kalai's mother wasn't aware of her plans.

Reimer is now charged with using technology to solicit sexual conduct or communicate with a minor.

Kalai's mother is going through a living nightmare waiting for news from her daughter.

"This is so not her," Crystal said. "She has two little sisters that miss her so much."

Police believe Reimer is driving a 1994 white Mercury Cougar with significant front end damage and Oklahoma plates VRW932.

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=63272


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 24, 2009, 10:18:15 PM
This story is just so sad.  Sorry that I have not read EVERY page of this thread about Amber, just enough to try to get somewhat up to date.  Have a couple of questions/suggestions.

1.  Has a Registered Sex Offender map been produced and looked at?

2.  Has the family/LE/FBI asked the cell phone company for a ping map with the directions of the pings?  From what I have been told...the cell phone pings even when there are no calls.  So unless the perps grabbed the phone and turned it off immediately, we should be able to at least see what direction they were going in.

3.  Hiring a ping expert to map those directions shouldn't be that difficult (we saw what LE produced in the Caylee case).

4.  Has anyone filmed a drive-through so we can see the conditions and blind spots on her path that day?

MizJay..it's absolutely awesome that you all are close enough that you all can help w/the search.  God Bless You and may all of His Angels surround all and protect all of you on all future searches.  Yes, please watch out for the snakes.  Have watched that emergency room show that shows about those snake bites in that area.

NorthernRose....you are wonderful w/those maps, research, etc.

Praying for her safe return every day.  Thanks Dolce for all of your hard work.  Have sent a letter every day to the shows.

Praying Amber is returned soon.

PS. Ambers GrandMom....am so sorry for yours' and all of Amber's families' pain and what has happened to Amber.  You all are doing all that you can for her.  Hopefully your prayers will be answered soon)


Blues.  When I did a search for RSO's in the 92026 zip alone it pulled 21.  Has LE accounted for all the RSO'S would be my question.

http://www.city-data.com/soz/soz-92026.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 24, 2009, 10:29:24 PM
AG thank you so much for the answers to the many questions we have.  I can try to explain the "furry" reference by Lance Foxx.  Furry is a fascination with anthropomorphic animals which human capabilities.  We have a nephew who is a active Furry.  He draws and writes about the characters that he has developed which are his alter ego so to speak when he is with other Furries. He has developed character sheets why explain his character in detail from colour to special markings etc. There are actual gatherings/conventions of Furries and depending on the level of involvement, some even come in their Furry persona costumes.  I believe the fact that Amber had written the one story you refer to on the website, the pendant and the fact that there is an account on one of the Furry prose registered to wolfintheend , it may be an assumption by some that Amber may be a furry - have a wolf persona that she has created as part of her story writing.  I do not fully understand the Furry thing, but apparently there are quite a few that have this interest .  There are several websites that are dedicated to Furries so they can share their stories and art.  Being of the old school, the best way I can describe it is some children when young pretend to be horses, dog, cats, etc.  in their play.  Furries  rather than outgrowing this part of their imaginations, embraced and expanded it and it is actually another side of them. 
And I thought that was just a story line on CSI.  Thanks for the explanation.  Amber draws every kind of imagined animal, starting with unicorns as a young girl and now quite unusual types.  Most don't appear furry to me. She imagined herself being a dolphin when younger, often a horse, and certainly did the usual play type things. I have encouraged her love of wolves.  One Halloween I spent HOURS on a costume for her.  That was enough...she about melted from the fur. I don't see Furries as being any different from Trekies  or Harry Potter fans.  Certainly, these are  better than getting lost in drugs or criminal activity.  Using the imagination also is to be preferred over being a couch potato as way too many kids are these days.

AG did Amber have the ability to post the pictures she drew to the internet (a scanner or  drawing tablet ) if they were drawn on paper?  You mention that her drawings now are quite unusual.  Fursonas can be cross species such as a rat and wolf  as an example. There are two primary sites that the Furries post their stories and drawings.

http://www.furaffinity.net/
http://www.deviantart.com/

You may want to search through these sites to see if  there is something familiar to you.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 24, 2009, 10:53:08 PM
I don't understnad why LE first thought Amber ran away, nothing about her would make you first think that, other then age. I wonder how many teenaged girls are simply listed as runaway when in fact they were taken? Shameful. 

What is the backround regarding the thin kid amber was seen talking to? Did that happen? I still can't seem to find that posting. Where did that take place on the walk? this person could have been a lure to get her for someone else. 

The parking lot where the truck was seen, is this a known spot for kids to go to do drugs before schoool? I remember in my high school there was a place in the back of the school some kids would go. His is been check if as truck such as that one could be associated with anyone at school, either kids, parents etc... If this person was not involved then maybe they saw something but are afraid to come forward?

Yes, it is shameful.  Some others and myself will be working in the future to change the Amber Alert system to allow for situations like this one.  At that time, I will surely ask for your help.  Selfishly, right now my priority is for our Amber.

One of the parents who reported they saw Amber walking in the rain to school in the middle of construction mess, while fighting traffic, also said a tall male was walking adjacent to her. No one knows more than that.  Fact or imagination? Another student hurrying to class?  An evil man who held a knife or gun? A partner in crime to the man in the red truck?  We do not know that, or, even that Amber got that far that day.

If there was such a man threatening Amber, I can tell you that she would have gone with him rather than be the cause of him shooting all the other kids walking to school that day.  Both the FBI and EPD made a BIG deal out of the fact that no one saw Amber in a struggle to be put into a car or van.  BFD. She is 14.  She was afraid.  What would you do?  Scream and be responsible for the killing of your friends???

The parking lot is between the school and the farm.  I don't think the kids who are working in the muck and mire to raise livestock are in to drugs, so I would have to say NO to the location question. I am very impressed with the FFA members I have met there. I do not know about the drug situation in general at the high school.

LE says they checked out everything connected with the truck and parking lot.  However, we are anxious for an overview of their "notebooks."   

Has another student stepped forward and said it was him who was walking next to Amber? Surely if a person had been walking next to her then they would have come forward.
Was a sketch artist used  for this person, even if was the back of this person, I would think it would help.
To me it seems like the most obvious to say this thin man was some how involved and so was the person in the truck. Has this truck been seen around since then? surely if it belonged to a student you would see it around.

I have a question about the cell phone. If the sims card is taken out and replaced by a new sims card, then it would no longer be linked to the account right? had the phone been unlocked from the provider? 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 24, 2009, 11:38:39 PM
In the searches has the landscaping etc. at 322 Vista been covered throughly?  Amber could have dropped something if she was attacked in the area.  I don't know if your neighborhood RSO is still living there, or living at all, but it worries me knowing he was at one time.   

Amber's Aunt and Grandmom, I too have doubts about the eyewitnesses.  Could just be honest mistakes.   Perhaps she is still in a house in the immediate area.    JMO

Just my mulling over the situation again.  You are doing a fantastic job for Amber!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Chi-M

  Good question CHI.

Also, are there any known transient camps nearby?  Sounds crazy, but in  large canyon type are between my house and the freeway is home to a fairly big population of the dudes that hang out on the corner looking for work. Don't ask me how they shower and all, but in fact they do live there year round

One of the first emails we received to Amber's website was the following which is a special on network tv (Paul Moyer). Fields of Shame/Vista Migrant Camp. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQEltSyzL38 or just enter Fields of Shame.  It made me vomit when I saw it so soon after Amber was taken from us. This is minutes away from Escondido. Vista is the next town. It will answer your question more fully than you probably ever wanted to know.  AG

Edit to fix link.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 24, 2009, 11:44:34 PM
Ambers Grandmom

 Thank you for your detailed post..

On the train .. In the Depot there must be cameras. There may be evidence of ticket purchased..

Williams attacks the 16 year old in El Cajon.. He was arrested at a a family members home in San Diego..

What If...

Try to have ELE  or Anyone who can see if Williams was on that train..
He may have sat with or near her and made some contact, enough to figure out where she lives and what school she went to..
 
Amber had to be signed into the train with a consent form so there is evidence of her trip (if her birth dad kept it??).  I will raise the issue of Williams mode of travel, etc. with ELE.  Thanks.  AG


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Dolce on May 24, 2009, 11:47:01 PM
One of the first emails we received to Amber's website was the following which is a special on network tv (Paul Moyer). Fields of Shame/Vista Migrant Camp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQEltSyzL38 or just enter Fields of Shame.  It made me vomit when I saw it so soon after Amber was taken from us. This is minutes away from Escondido. Vista is the next town. It will answer your question more fully than you probably ever wanted to know.  AG

Edit to fix link

This video link no longer works, judging by your reaction to it though it seems that is probably a good thing.

The link works


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 24, 2009, 11:48:07 PM
I received what seems to be a type of "auto response" from AMW and Nancy Grace.  I hope that these e-mails will be taken seriously, I have seen us Monkeys work wonders in the past, and my prayer is that once again we will do so for Amber.

Keep it up Monkeys! 

I am really hoping to connect with Nancy Grace using the angle of the twins....lets hope this big fish takes the bait!
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: (I know feel free to tell me its wrong!)

Anything you do to help other children helps your soon to be born twins and all others.  Beside...Nancy has twins and shows them off.  She should be attracted to your letter...if they let her see it.  AG


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 24, 2009, 11:54:45 PM
Ambers GrandMom


Why do you consider Paradise drive?
It would be VERY difficult to grab her at the house.  The driveway is very, very steep. I think, dangerous.  Little space at the top to park and you must back down.  Likewise, the drive down the hill.  It is only when you turn on Paradise that you could easily do a stop and grab.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 25, 2009, 12:23:54 AM
AG thank you so much for the answers to the many questions we have.  I can try to explain the "furry" reference by Lance Foxx.  Furry is a fascination with anthropomorphic animals which human capabilities.  We have a nephew who is a active Furry.  He draws and writes about the characters that he has developed which are his alter ego so to speak when he is with other Furries. He has developed character sheets why explain his character in detail from colour to special markings etc. There are actual gatherings/conventions of Furries and depending on the level of involvement, some even come in their Furry persona costumes.  I believe the fact that Amber had written the one story you refer to on the website, the pendant and the fact that there is an account on one of the Furry prose registered to wolfintheend , it may be an assumption by some that Amber may be a furry - have a wolf persona that she has created as part of her story writing.  I do not fully understand the Furry thing, but apparently there are quite a few that have this interest .  There are several websites that are dedicated to Furries so they can share their stories and art.  Being of the old school, the best way I can describe it is some children when young pretend to be horses, dog, cats, etc.  in their play.  Furries  rather than outgrowing this part of their imaginations, embraced and expanded it and it is actually another side of them. 
And I thought that was just a story line on CSI.  Thanks for the explanation.  Amber draws every kind of imagined animal, starting with unicorns as a young girl and now quite unusual types.  Most don't appear furry to me. She imagined herself being a dolphin when younger, often a horse, and certainly did the usual play type things. I have encouraged her love of wolves.  One Halloween I spent HOURS on a costume for her.  That was enough...she about melted from the fur. I don't see Furries as being any different from Trekies  or Harry Potter fans.  Certainly, these are  better than getting lost in drugs or criminal activity.  Using the imagination also is to be preferred over being a couch potato as way too many kids are these days.

AG did Amber have the ability to post the pictures she drew to the internet (a scanner or  drawing tablet ) if they were drawn on paper?  You mention that her drawings now are quite unusual.  Fursonas can be cross species such as a rat and wolf  as an example. There are two primary sites that the Furries post their stories and drawings.

http://www.furaffinity.net/
http://www.deviantart.com/

You may want to search through these sites to see if  there is something familiar to you.

  No scanner or tablet.  I doubt she would have posted any drawings even if she had the equipment.  I looked at your sites. Thanks.  On Deviantart there is a white wolf and fire tree.  Amber would sketch something like that (altho it is a photo on the site).  If it was a real animal ...she drew it like the animal actually looked.  (I have a 2nd place art show picture of horses she did hanging in my living room).  The other drawings are best described akin to a unicorn.  A drawing that has a fantasy element.  She would show me and ask which one I liked best. 

They were not ugly creations. I never saw anything drawn that was half of each of two animals, although we had interesting conversations about the creatures in Narnia (she very much liked the entire series). Hers were usually cute animals or elegant.  She liked to add angel wings. She usually gave them names.  She liked some of the Japanese cartoons and drew these as well.  She listened to them in Japanese because she liked the sounds. Usually she used Japanese sounding names for the animals she drew.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 25, 2009, 12:42:15 AM
I don't understnad why LE first thought Amber ran away, nothing about her would make you first think that, other then age. I wonder how many teenaged girls are simply listed as runaway when in fact they were taken? Shameful. 

What is the backround regarding the thin kid amber was seen talking to? Did that happen? I still can't seem to find that posting. Where did that take place on the walk? this person could have been a lure to get her for someone else. 

The parking lot where the truck was seen, is this a known spot for kids to go to do drugs before schoool? I remember in my high school there was a place in the back of the school some kids would go. His is been check if as truck such as that one could be associated with anyone at school, either kids, parents etc... If this person was not involved then maybe they saw something but are afraid to come forward?

Yes, it is shameful.  Some others and myself will be working in the future to change the Amber Alert system to allow for situations like this one.  At that time, I will surely ask for your help.  Selfishly, right now my priority is for our Amber.

One of the parents who reported they saw Amber walking in the rain to school in the middle of construction mess, while fighting traffic, also said a tall male was walking adjacent to her. No one knows more than that.  Fact or imagination? Another student hurrying to class?  An evil man who held a knife or gun? A partner in crime to the man in the red truck?  We do not know that, or, even that Amber got that far that day.

If there was such a man threatening Amber, I can tell you that she would have gone with him rather than be the cause of him shooting all the other kids walking to school that day.  Both the FBI and EPD made a BIG deal out of the fact that no one saw Amber in a struggle to be put into a car or van.  BFD. She is 14.  She was afraid.  What would you do?  Scream and be responsible for the killing of your friends???

The parking lot is between the school and the farm.  I don't think the kids who are working in the muck and mire to raise livestock are in to drugs, so I would have to say NO to the location question. I am very impressed with the FFA members I have met there. I do not know about the drug situation in general at the high school.

LE says they checked out everything connected with the truck and parking lot.  However, we are anxious for an overview of their "notebooks."   

Has another student stepped forward and said it was him who was walking next to Amber? Surely if a person had been walking next to her then they would have come forward.
Was a sketch artist used  for this person, even if was the back of this person, I would think it would help.
To me it seems like the most obvious to say this thin man was some how involved and so was the person in the truck. Has this truck been seen around since then? surely if it belonged to a student you would see it around.

I have a question about the cell phone. If the sims card is taken out and replaced by a new sims card, then it would no longer be linked to the account right? had the phone been unlocked from the provider? 

No one has stepped forward.  I worked with the Editor of the student paper at the high school.  She did a full page ad two weeks ago in it begging for students to step forward to help Amber, or, if not, to step forward for the money (I told her that was ok with us!). But nothing.

I don't know the answer to the phone question about replacing the sims card and having it no longer linked to the account.  If that were so, however, it would seem that the first phone stolen from Amber at the high school would have been put into use, but from Oct to March it remained silent.  PErhaps someone can let us know. 

Also, do not know what you mean by "Unlocked by the provider."  As I said on an earlier email, the account remains active, I get and pay the bill every
month. No activity is shown.  In fact, I about had a heart attack over the phone.  One night  about 3 weeks after she was taken, I sent Amber a voice message just to tell her how much I loved and missed her.  A couple of days later, I had a message showing Amber. was calling..sadly, it was a reject of the voice mail.  It took half hour for my heart beat to get back to normal. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 25, 2009, 12:49:56 AM
One of the first emails we received to Amber's website was the following which is a special on network tv (Paul Moyer). Fields of Shame/Vista Migrant Camp. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQEltSyzL38  or just enter Fields of Shame.  It made me vomit when I saw it so soon after Amber was taken from us. This is minutes away from Escondido. Vista is the next town. It will answer your question more fully than you probably ever wanted to know.  AG
Edit to fix link

This video link no longer works, judging by your reaction to it though it seems that is probably a good thing.

I checked on it today and it is still active.   It is a  +before the S.  Sorry.  But you can get it by the description too.

Fixed link: It's  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQEltSyzL38



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 25, 2009, 12:51:54 AM
In the searches has the landscaping etc. at 322 Vista been covered throughly?  Amber could have dropped something if she was attacked in the area.  I don't know if your neighborhood RSO is still living there, or living at all, but it worries me knowing he was at one time.   

Amber's Aunt and Grandmom, I too have doubts about the eyewitnesses.  Could just be honest mistakes.   Perhaps she is still in a house in the immediate area.    JMO

Just my mulling over the situation again.  You are doing a fantastic job for Amber!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Chi-M

  Good question CHI.

Also, are there any known transient camps nearby?  Sounds crazy, but in  large canyon type are between my house and the freeway is home to a fairly big population of the dudes that hang out on the corner looking for work. Don't ask me how they shower and all, but in fact they do live there year round

One of the first emails we received to Amber's website was the following which is a special on network tv (Paul Moyer). Fields of Shame/Vista Migrant Camp. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQEltSyzL38  or just enter Fields of Shame.  It made me vomit when I saw it so soon after Amber was taken from us. This is minutes away from Escondido. Vista is the next town. It will answer your question more fully than you probably ever wanted to know.  AG
PLEASE CORRECT the = before the S to a +.  Sticky fingers.  Thanks.
Edit:  Fixed link.  It's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQEltSyzL38


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 25, 2009, 01:05:04 AM
In the searches has the landscaping etc. at 322 Vista been covered throughly?  Amber could have dropped something if she was attacked in the area.  I don't know if your neighborhood RSO is still living there, or living at all, but it worries me knowing he was at one time.   

Amber's Aunt and Grandmom, I too have doubts about the eyewitnesses.  Could just be honest mistakes.   Perhaps she is still in a house in the immediate area.    JMO

Just my mulling over the situation again.  You are doing a fantastic job for Amber!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Chi-M

  Good question CHI.

Also, are there any known transient camps nearby?  Sounds crazy, but in  large canyon type are between my house and the freeway is home to a fairly big population of the dudes that hang out on the corner looking for work. Don't ask me how they shower and all, but in fact they do live there year round

One of the first emails we received to Amber's website was the following which is a special on network tv (Paul Moyer). Fields of Shame/Vista Migrant Camp.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQEltSyzL38 or just enter Fields of Shame.  It made me vomit when I saw it so soon after Amber was taken from us. This is minutes away from Escondido. Vista is the next town. It will answer your question more fully than you probably ever wanted to know.  AG
PLEASE CORRECT the = before the S to a +.  Sticky fingers.  Thanks.

OK.  I confess that I find things by name not these #@^* numbers.  Google Fields of Shame.  It is the first thing that pops up.  Sorry for the error.  Must be nitey time for the old gal.  Thanks to all. AG
Edit:  Link fixed. It's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQEltSyzL38


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 25, 2009, 01:21:00 AM
This is the extent of my knowledge with cell phones. In order to access or reuse an already existing cell phone, you have to have it unlocked so when you take out the old sims card and replace it with your own you can use it and the phone reads the new card. The cell phone is separate from the phone account. From what I understand the sims card has all of your information such as phone numbers etc...

For example, I purchased a used cell phone on ebay, I was told it was unlocked so it was ready for my sims card. Other people were selling them and saying it was verizon (example) and still locked but you could call to get the number code to unlock it)

I wonder if when it powed on, it was to key in a code to unlock for their sims card? 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 25, 2009, 09:26:02 AM
Ambers Grandmom :

I have some information for you that I don't feel should be put out on a public board.  Is there a way for me to get it to you? 

Email the SM admin and she will put us in touch.  Thanks. GM

will do that now, sorry for the delay, my computer decided to remove all my files and give me a blank desktop etc, ugh, finally got it fixed last night. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 25, 2009, 09:42:20 AM
hmmm, I can't find where to email admin.

klaas, can you send Ambers Grandmom my email please, I can't figure out how else to get ahold of her. hmmm



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 25, 2009, 09:43:46 AM
Ambers Grandmom :

I have some information for you that I don't feel should be put out on a public board.  Is there a way for me to get it to you? 

Email the SM admin and she will put us in touch.  Thanks. GM

I can't figure out how to email admin now, so I have asked klaas to send you my email so you can email me and tell me where to get ahold of you. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: MuffyBee on May 25, 2009, 09:47:18 AM
Ampersand - if you ever need to get in touch with me, you can reach me at klaasend@scaredmonkeys.com or if you want to reach Red the owner of SM his email addy is red@scaredmonkeys.com

BUMP


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: MuffyBee on May 25, 2009, 09:51:45 AM
Ambers Grandmom-

I am jammed for time today, but wanted you to know I checked back here to see your thorough and extensive reply.

Please email our SM admin @: Klaasend@scaredmonkeys.com

She will put us in touch and I have some contacts for you re: the Satellite/Aerial Data.

Edward, Northern, MizJay and everyone working so hard on here, fantastic data.

Will post more when I get a chance.

B

BUMP


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Blink34 on May 25, 2009, 12:15:40 PM
Ambers Grandmom-

I am jammed for time today, but wanted you to know I checked back here to see your thorough and extensive reply.

Please email our SM admin @: Klaasend@scaredmonkeys.com

She will put us in touch and I have some contacts for you re: the Satellite/Aerial Data.

Edward, Northern, MizJay and everyone working so hard on here, fantastic data.

Will post more when I get a chance.

B

BUMP


I have connected with Ambers Grandmom, thanks MuffyBee
B


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Blink34 on May 25, 2009, 01:03:43 PM
For anyone that might know:

Did EPD set up any roadblocks at the same time of the morning Amber went missing in the area? Any traffic cams, any convenience store cams, go through all traffic tickets for that morning, etc, next day, etc.

What vehicle detailing/Full service car wash data is available, has all this been checked, their regular dumpster routes, etc.

EPD should be able to account for every available possible piece of footage, have they?


  No roadblocks because no Amber Alert was issued by EPD. The high school left a voice message that Amber missed her first period (she had perfect attendance!) so Carrie did not know until 4 pm that she had not been in school.  When Amber did not call at 3:30 she was in her car and searching for her!

The EPD considered her a runaway.  It took a lot of work to get them to enter her as "missing."  I was 100 miles away at the time, so, cannot give more details about how difficult it was for Carrie and Dave to persuade LE that she did not run away!

We have been told that the "ONLY" footage is that of the red truck and OTHER children entering school.


They do not need to issue an Amber alert to do a checkpoint on the route that she took. Sorry, but that freezes my shorts. How in the world would they establish a baseline of the commuters that day? How could they know who saw what from fresh memories? Did they send anything home from the school, like a letter to commuting parents asking them to contact EPD if they saw her "enroute" that morning? It was Valentines and raining, my guess would be there were alot of kids brininging friend gifts and raining, etc., which translates to parents driving them to school.

Honestly, my thoughts are this subject would not get that close to the school, and I agree with ampersand that Amber may have been aquainted with this individual. What can you tell us about the Ag class locations and structure, was this done offsite?

Lastly, and if this has been addressed I apologize, did Amber walk this route every day? Did she always walk it by herself or meet up with others in general?

Has there been a list generated of convenience stores, strip mall fronts, and the like. I am unfamiliar with that area, but find it inconceivable there are no other "potential" closed circuit possibilities- No gas stations? Lastly, does the construction occur in the evening and stop at 7am, or a regular workday? Have the foreman been questioned with timesheet verification for workers, etc?
   


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: ChiChi on May 25, 2009, 01:56:12 PM
For anyone that might know:

Did EPD set up any roadblocks at the same time of the morning Amber went missing in the area? Any traffic cams, any convenience store cams, go through all traffic tickets for that morning, etc, next day, etc.

What vehicle detailing/Full service car wash data is available, has all this been checked, their regular dumpster routes, etc.

EPD should be able to account for every available possible piece of footage, have they?


  No roadblocks because no Amber Alert was issued by EPD. The high school left a voice message that Amber missed her first period (she had perfect attendance!) so Carrie did not know until 4 pm that she had not been in school.  When Amber did not call at 3:30 she was in her car and searching for her!

The EPD considered her a runaway.  It took a lot of work to get them to enter her as "missing."  I was 100 miles away at the time, so, cannot give more details about how difficult it was for Carrie and Dave to persuade LE that she did not run away!

We have been told that the "ONLY" footage is that of the red truck and OTHER children entering school.


Hello AmbersGM,

I am so sorry for what you are going through.  I do not have any grandchildren, but have teens of my own and cannot imagine the hell you all are living in.  Especially with so little to go on it seems.  I don't know if anyone has already done this, but what made me think of it was a neighbor of ours has a security system in his home.  While in his house one day, I was watching the video cameras.  The camera that was positioned in the front of his house captures all the activity in front of his house and accross the street.  Like I said, I don't know if anyone has but, what about going door to door to each house along the route she would have walked and asking about security cameras?  I know it is a lot of work, but if someone (time is the enemy now) had the video of that day you could find out whether or not she made it that far... local businesses she may have walked past may have cameras too.  Problem being that now so much time has passed, it may have been taped over, but it might be worth a shot.  Some systems use DVR and can record much longer than the old videos. 

Also, I was wondering if a list of newer vehicles matching the description of the truck on the school yard was compiled by maybe DMV and by process of elimination? Do any of the SO's in the area have basements in their homes?  Could be a place to hide someone away.  I don't mean to make your stomach turn, but just trying to think out loud. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: ChiChi on May 25, 2009, 02:10:07 PM
No idea if this is connected but it mentions she was going to California and this guy is still missing as well.

Fugitive, Teenage Girl May Be Headed To Anime Conventions
 
Cops in Oklahoma are looking for 40-year-old James Reimer because they believe he took off with 14-year-old Deborah Kalai Fourzan.


   View Larger Cops in Oklahoma say on Feb. 2, 2009, James "Jim" Joseph Reimer took off with 14-year-old Deborah Kalai Fourzan, who goes by Kalai.

Neither have been seen since.

Reimer was a close friend of Kalai's mother Crystal Vanbuskirk and her husband, Richard.

In January, Crystal took away Kalai's cell phone and discovered sexually explicit text messages -- that seemed to be coming from Reimer.

Crystal took the phone straight to police, who questioned Reimer.

Reimer claimed the two had been role playing stories from Anime cartoons and that none of it was serious.

"I like to tell stories," Reimer said.

Police didn't buy it and worked to get a warrant, but didn't act soon enough.

On Feb. 2, 2009, Kalai was dropped off at her high school in Tecumseh, Okla., but never made it to class.

She told friends she was going to an Anime convention in California with a family friend named "Jim."

Her friends didn't know Kalai's mother wasn't aware of her plans.

Reimer is now charged with using technology to solicit sexual conduct or communicate with a minor.

Kalai's mother is going through a living nightmare waiting for news from her daughter.

"This is so not her," Crystal said. "She has two little sisters that miss her so much."

Police believe Reimer is driving a 1994 white Mercury Cougar with significant front end damage and Oklahoma plates VRW932.

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=63272


On a happier note, she was found!! http://www.amw.com/missing_children/brief.cfm?id=63323


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: ChiChi on May 25, 2009, 02:47:51 PM
Ambers Grandmom-

I am jammed for time today, but wanted you to know I checked back here to see your thorough and extensive reply.

Please email our SM admin @: Klaasend@scaredmonkeys.com

She will put us in touch and I have some contacts for you re: the Satellite/Aerial Data.

Edward, Northern, MizJay and everyone working so hard on here, fantastic data.

Will post more when I get a chance.

B

BUMP


what does BUMP mean?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on May 25, 2009, 02:51:52 PM

what does BUMP mean?
It is a way of moving posts forward for easy access or for important information that might have gotten over looked.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 25, 2009, 03:47:01 PM
Someone had asked about mapping out the RSO's.  There are 139 in Escondido.  This is the best map I could get from Megan's law site.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 25, 2009, 04:18:04 PM
Someone had asked about mapping out the RSO's.  There are 139 in Escondido.  This is the best map I could get from Megan's law site.



  YIKES     ::MonkeyShocked::      so many!!

How do you find their physical addresses?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 25, 2009, 04:30:21 PM
They would be too many to list.  When you search by zip you get a list of them and when you click on each one it gives specifics.  What concerns me is over 50% of them have a note that says "possibly relocated".  Are you kidding me that LE has no idea that they might have moved?

Here is the link

http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/Search.aspx?lang=ENGLISH


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 25, 2009, 04:32:12 PM
Miz here is the first page:

 ADAMS,STEVEN MICHAEL
More Info Specific address not subject to disclosure  ESCONDIDO 92027 SAN DIEGO
  ALEXANDER,CHRISTOPHER VINCENT
More Info Specific address not subject to disclosure  ESCONDIDO 92025 SAN DIEGO
  ANAYA,PHILIMON
More Info 1268 N BROADWAY # A
Show on map ESCONDIDO 92026 SAN DIEGO
  APPS,JASON MICHAEL
More Info Specific address not subject to disclosure  ESCONDIDO 92025 SAN DIEGO
  ARENA,JOSEPH
More Info 344 W 6TH AVE
Show on map ESCONDIDO 92025 SAN DIEGO
  AVERY,RICHARD LAWRENCE
More Info 1729 SUMMIT DR
Show on map ESCONDIDO 92027 SAN DIEGO
  BACA,GEORGE PAUL
More Info 836 EAGLES NEST GLEN  ESCONDIDO 92027 SAN DIEGO
  BARRY,KEVIN MITCHELL
More Info Specific address not subject to disclosure  ESCONDIDO 92027 SAN DIEGO
  BENITEZ,JUAN MILAN
More Info 1422 N ASH ST
Show on map ESCONDIDO 92027 SAN DIEGO
  BERRY,NED ANDREW
More Info 2035 S ESCONDIDO BLVD # 103
Show on map ESCONDIDO 92025 SAN DIEGO
  BORGHARD,RICHARD M
More Info Specific address not subject to disclosure  ESCONDIDO 92026 SAN DIEGO
  BROWN,RONALD CORNWELL
More Info 3252 BEVEN DR  ESCONDIDO 92027 SAN DIEGO
  BROWN,STEVEN MARK
More Info 2040 MARK AVE
Show on map ESCONDIDO 92027 SAN DIEGO
  BUCKENDORF,DUMONT RAYMOND
More Info 2522 WHITE OAK PL # A
Show on map ESCONDIDO 92027 SAN DIEGO
  BURGESS,MICHAEL LITZSINGER
More Info 2733 CAMERON PL
Show on map ESCONDIDO 92027 SAN DIEGO
  BURNE,GARY CHARLES
More Info Specific address not subject to disclosure  ESCONDIDO 92026 SAN DIEGO
  BURNER,DAMON R
More Info 8310 NELSON WAY # CASDE
Show on map ESCONDIDO 92026 SAN DIEGO
  BUSSE,JASON PAUL
More Info 1670 E EL NORTE # 15
Show on map ESCONDIDO 92027 SAN DIEGO
  BUTLER,JOHN PATRICK
More Info 900 HOWARD AVE # 30
Show on map ESCONDIDO 92029 SAN DIEGO
  CALLAN,MARK STEVEN
More Info 1320 TAFT ST
Show on map ESCONDIDO 92026 SAN DIEGO


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 25, 2009, 04:34:39 PM
This one has been in violation of registration requirements since 1996.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Last Name: LOPEZ  First Name: ORLANDO  Middle Name: HERNANDEZ 
 
 THIS SEX OFFENDER HAS BEEN IN VIOLATION OF REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS SINCE 04/29/1996. 


Specific address not subject to disclosure

 
 Description Offenses Scars/Marks/Tattoos Known Aliases
Last Known Address:
92025
County: SAN DIEGO
Zip Code 92025
Date of Birth: 04-18-1968
Sex: MALE
Height: 5'6"
Weight: 160
Eye Color: BLACK
Hair Color: BLACK
Ethnicity: HISPANIC

Offense Code
Description
220 ASSAULT W/INTENT TO COMMIT RAPE, SODOMY, OR ORAL COPULATION
None
 
HERNANDEZ, JOSE ALBERTO
 
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 25, 2009, 04:39:21 PM

NR   somehow it doesn't surprise me that LE doesn't have more precise info. With all that goes down, with more and more frequency you'd think there could be a full time position for that kind of stuff but..........

Just for the sake of it, I may try to find any addys in the "north", it's like looking for a needle in a haystack. Thanks for telling me how. j


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 25, 2009, 04:44:28 PM

NR   somehow it doesn't surprise me that LE doesn't have more precise info. With all that goes down, with more and more frequency you'd think there could be a full time position for that kind of stuff but..........

Just for the sake of it, I may try to find any addys in the "north", it's like looking for a needle in a haystack. Thanks for telling me how. j

Miz sorry if I was not clear.  When you go to the site do a search by city and put in Escondido and then choose view listing.  You will get  7 pages of them.  I just meant it was too many to post on here.  Really sorry I was not clear.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 25, 2009, 04:48:42 PM

NR   somehow it doesn't surprise me that LE doesn't have more precise info. With all that goes down, with more and more frequency you'd think there could be a full time position for that kind of stuff but..........

Just for the sake of it, I may try to find any addys in the "north", it's like looking for a needle in a haystack. Thanks for telling me how. j

Miz sorry if I was not clear.  When you go to the site do a search by city and put in Escondido and then choose view listing.  You will get  7 pages of them.  I just meant it was too many to post on here.  Really sorry I was not clear.

Whatchutalkinboutwillis?   you were clear!   i see what you mean, there are so many, now I know where and how to look, I'm learning ( slowly but surely0


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on May 25, 2009, 07:21:24 PM
Bringing Amber's candles forward

Light Amber's way home:
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Amber

Amber's website:
http://www.bringamberhome.com/



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 25, 2009, 10:11:22 PM
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCC&cp=33.184686~-117.191162&style=h&lvl=11&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&rtp=pos.33.1510334763306_-117.087938526291_Paradise%20St%2C%20Escondido%2C%20CA%2092026__~pos.33.2382959731667_-117.254472198634_Guajome%20Lake%20Rd%2C%20Vista%2C%20CA%2092084__&rtop=0~0~0&encType=1



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: pink angel on May 25, 2009, 10:49:12 PM
Bringing Amber's candles forward

Light Amber's way home:
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Amber

Amber's website:
http://www.bringamberhome.com/



Thinking and praying for Amber and her family.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: ChiChi on May 26, 2009, 12:37:42 AM

what does BUMP mean?
It is a way of moving posts forward for easy access or for important information that might have gotten over looked.

you mean someone reads the word "BUMP" and understands that perhaps action is required? Sorry, I just want to understand...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 26, 2009, 01:16:57 AM
Thank you Monkey Goddesses and gods for the repair to the above post. ::MonkeyWink::
 It appears if you click on that link you can now see the route of 16.1 miles and 22 minutes with a blue line ...
 This route would take them in front of the high school and she made be tied up and unable to communicate.
 Take a look it at and zoom in a little and use the birds eye buttons, then you can use the tools to show other possible travel routes..
You can Create your own possible route..

The link above represents a possible route to me ..

I think personally, that he drove out away from the high school .. the opposite direction .. which is different then the link.

It would also mean the perpetrator knows the area very well.
If it was the same person as in the previous park murder then he may be thinking he will hide her better this time..
But, Not the same park.. and a person can get to this destination from 2 directions, one far more rural then the other.

Just a thought.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 26, 2009, 01:18:13 AM
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCC&cp=33.184686~-117.191162&style=h&lvl=11&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&rtp=pos.33.1510334763306_-117.087938526291_Paradise%20St%2C%20Escondido%2C%20CA%2092026__~pos.33.2382959731667_-117.254472198634_Guajome%20Lake%20Rd%2C%20Vista%2C%20CA%2092084__&rtop=0~0~0&encType=1



Hi Edward, sorry, I guess I missed what this is about.  What is at Guajome Lake Rd?

thanks


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 26, 2009, 02:03:36 AM
It is an area of interest to me.. A Park
As there is 2 roads going through it and it has multiple water areas.. very rural at some spots,
 and a person does not look unusual parking a vehicle at a park driving around or sitting..

You can use the map to get some fantastic photos using the birds eye view feather when close up..

The geology of the area leaves very few places a hole can be dug with ease.
I am using a 20 mile radius and looking for possible locations.. using a north of Escondido half circle.

I do realize she could be anywhere in the world, but thinking that is rare and placed within a area is common.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 26, 2009, 02:29:50 AM
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCC&cp=33.219159~-117.105331&style=h&lvl=11&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&rtp=pos.33.1510334763306_-117.087938526291_Paradise%20St%2C%20Escondido%2C%20CA%2092026__~pos.33.2382959731667_-117.254472198634_Guajome%20Lake%20Rd%2C%20Vista%2C%20CA%2092084__&rtop=0~0~0&trfc=1&sp=Point.pj6xbx56t50w_PARK____~Point.pj5t2w56v81k_PARK____~Point.pj7xqx573dbf_GOPHER%20CANYON____~Point.pjn1wm5735kp_PALA%20ROAD____~Point.phycs55777n6_JESMOND%20PARK____~Point.phrmgm578dsn_AMBERS%20HOME____~Point.phrfg6577ysk_ANIMAL%20AREA%20OF%20SCHOOL____~Polyline.phsvzv5784p8_phyykd578s6g_pj302t577ygw_pj5vcm579vns_pj8b9s579vns_pj8dx7578b2h_pj7r725774jg_pj8b9s576kjn_pj7w3f574znv_pj7mbv573dj5_pj7w3f572ts6_pj87r856zbgn_pj6yzc56xy03_pj2gkg56y12s_pj31ck56wfz4_pj5xz356w5g7_pj5rsz56w8jy_pj5qh756w8jy_away%20from%20school%20rural____%23FF0000_%23008000_2pt_Single_Solid_pj7r72574631_&encType=1

This links shows the major travel route in green and then the 2 possible routes one in blue which would travel in front of the school and the second in red that would go away from the school red line also drives past the first park we have been writing about.All of this to the north and just one of many possible locations..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: trimmonthelake on May 26, 2009, 09:48:08 AM
Dolce,I sent out emails again this morning.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 26, 2009, 06:20:55 PM
It is an area of interest to me.. A Park
As there is 2 roads going through it and it has multiple water areas.. very rural at some spots,
 and a person does not look unusual parking a vehicle at a park driving around or sitting..

You can use the map to get some fantastic photos using the birds eye view feather when close up..

The geology of the area leaves very few places a hole can be dug with ease.
I am using a 20 mile radius and looking for possible locations.. using a north of Escondido half circle.

I do realize she could be anywhere in the world, but thinking that is rare and placed within a area is common.

thank you Edward; I think that might be a very good place to look also. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 26, 2009, 06:57:27 PM
New video/collage of Amber - posted today by her Mom - my sister Carrie. 

http://vimeo.com/4848395

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 26, 2009, 06:58:53 PM
Crying and typing don't mix.


Title: From blinkoncrime.com
Post by: Blink34 on May 26, 2009, 07:05:17 PM
Quote
I’m sorry for posting this here, but Blink, is there any chance you can help with the Amber Dubois case in Escondido, California? It seems as if there is a link between the suspect in two child molestation cases at Walmart stores in San Diego, which is near Escondido. (See links below for more information about these links).

Amber’s family desperately needs national exposure to help bring her home. Also, the more people who view coverage of the suspect, the more likely someone will come forward with information about him.

Please, please, please help!

Thank you Blink, for all that you do!

Here are links to recent media regarding Amber and the child molestation cases:

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=10419108

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/may/25/1m25amber235228-police-investigate-possible-link-b

bluebird- I have been in contact with Amber’s Family and we are due to connect with some additional assets tomorrow. There is a possibility NG will do a tracker update on her case tomorrow, cant promise anything but I spoke with them today on Amber’s case.
B

Hey Monkeys-

I wanted to address the burgundy truck issue briefly.

Sadly, I don't think the Walmart molestor with the burgundy truck is in any way related to Amber's case. Not only do I not think it is the same truck, but this offender is not even in the same zip code.

You have a 5 and 6 year old female, in a very large public place; which apparently the subject either works at, is a vendor of, or just a pedophilic stalker ( although I dont get how a strange 6' man gets access to these little kids, what am I missing that goes on in these places?)

If we agree this is a stranger abduction, and that is my personal feeling, it was not random, and it was not by chance he came upon Amber, then we also have to agree the offender falls into a different category than the above subject.

I do believe Edward is correct that the route is the key. Sadly, to my knowledge, I dont hear anyone ruling out the possible date connection to the other female victim. My question is what is missing from that victim? It may tell us something.

Blink


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: klaasend on May 26, 2009, 07:09:34 PM
New video/collage of Amber - posted today by her Mom - my sister Carrie. 

http://vimeo.com/4848395

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Amber Dubois from Carrie MCGonigle on Vimeo.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on May 26, 2009, 07:43:33 PM
Ampersand...    Thank you for showing us the video collage of Amber.  Carrie must have suffered so much selecting pictures for this, but it makes us all feel much closer to Amber.  It is wonderful. 

Chi-M   


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 26, 2009, 07:44:53 PM
I agree Blink, there could be a connection.
We have seen coincidences in other cases..
Maybe that is all this is too. But it needs to be checked out. Where exactly in that park was the body found ?
 It appeared to be a robbery, but possible she was murdered for other reasons.. she was wearing her same clothes, so they did not think there was a sex attack.. But there could have been and he used a condom and then made her put her clothes back on..
He may have attacked her elsewhere and made her walk to her death spot. If he did do that he can make a victim walk a long way before the murder..



More time needs to be spent following the footsteps of the victim. 
There appears to be a pattern with the Park murder suspect.
We would normally look 100 yards from parking areas..  But if it is the same guy maybe he decides to make his victim walk much further.. That worries me..


This other character "williams" who attacked the 16 year old girl in ElCajon is not the same guy..  BUT and grand-mom is checking into this Williams may have been on that train !! and if he was and made idol contact with Amber he may have gotten enough information to know where Amber lives.. The only thing I question on Williams is the cell phone message call the next day NORTH.. Williams is from the south of Escondido
 
I think we have 2 completely different suspects at this point.
Both may be the wrong suspect.

The molester with the red truck has his face clear as a bell on video and his truck license plate number should have been identified by now I would think..
It does not appear to be the same truck, but with surveillance video who knows. It would be good to arrest him for his crimes.. BUT I do no think he is our culprit because he is a chicken little boy touching innocent children and what we are looking for is a Violent personality who is willing to kidnap and possibly murder.


I naivete forget Amber could be alive.. She could be victim and held.. Sooner or later she will fall into the stockholm syndrome and then she will not try to escape.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on May 26, 2009, 07:46:18 PM
Edward ...  The map of the possible abduction route makes it very clear.  This seems a real possibility. 

Thanks.     

Chi-M







Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Dolce on May 26, 2009, 07:49:38 PM
New video/collage of Amber - posted today by her Mom - my sister Carrie. 

http://vimeo.com/4848395

 ::MonkeyAngel::

<object width="400" height="300"><param name="allowfullscreen" value="true" /><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /><param name="movie" value="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=4848395&server=vimeo.com&show_title=1&show_byline=1&show_portrait=0&color=&fullscreen=1" /><embed src="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=4848395&server=vimeo.com&show_title=1&show_byline=1&show_portrait=0&color=&fullscreen=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="400" height="300"></embed></object><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/4848395">Amber Dubois</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user1811465">Carrie MCGonigle</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
Thank you so very much for sharing this video with us.  I hope that whoever has taken this child sees she is someones baby, she is missed, and her family so desperately wants her home. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 26, 2009, 08:00:55 PM
I think so to Chi, but it is just an idea..

 Bringing up the train ride really gives more possible men Amber could have or may have come in contact with..
I realize there were many text messages talking to grand-mom on that train ride..
never the less..

The dark boy walking next to Amber ..  That report bugs me.. The boy not stepping forward.. That bugs me..

We need an ELE investigator at Amtrak with a warrant looking at surveillance video when Amber went for that ride and he should have many pictures of Williams with him. Just hoping Williams is on video in that train station..

He must be ruled in or out .. There is no picture of Williams yet..
So I can't let go of his neck until I know. 



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 26, 2009, 08:03:23 PM
There is 2 train trips correct ?
One to dads home and one more back to Amber's home ?
2 dates = 2 rides = 2 train stations ? or more ?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 26, 2009, 09:18:18 PM
There is 2 train trips correct ?
One to dads home and one more back to Amber's home ?
2 dates = 2 rides = 2 train stations ? or more ?

Oceanside to Fullerton to Dad's and then return from Fullerton Station to Oceanside Station.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 26, 2009, 09:33:38 PM
Any stops along the way ?

When we took our boyscout troop on a train ride to sacramento there were atleast 6 moment stops to load and unload passengers..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 26, 2009, 09:40:51 PM
Fullerton, CA (FUL) 
Station Building (with waiting room)
120 East Santa Fe Avenue
Fullerton Transportation Center
Fullerton, CA 92832 



Oceanside, CA (OSD) 
Station Building (with waiting room)
235 South Tremont Street
Oceanside Transit Center
Oceanside, CA 92054 


It is only 1 hour and 20 minutes.. Short ride

http://tickets.amtrak.com/itd/amtrak/FareFinder?_tripType=OneWay&_origin=fullerton&_depmonthyear=2009-05&_depday=28&_dephourmin=&_destination=oceanside&_retmonthyear=&_retday=&_rethourmin=&_adults=1&_children=0&_infants=0&_searchBy=schedule&x=29&y=17


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 26, 2009, 09:42:44 PM
Thank You ampersand for posting that video.
It is a heartbreaker.

I hope the authorities find Amber soon.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 26, 2009, 11:04:48 PM
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCC&cp=33.184686~-117.191162&style=h&lvl=11&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&rtp=pos.33.1510334763306_-117.087938526291_Paradise%20St%2C%20Escondido%2C%20CA%2092026__~pos.33.2382959731667_-117.254472198634_Guajome%20Lake%20Rd%2C%20Vista%2C%20CA%2092084__&rtop=0~0~0&encType=1


This is excellent.  I am hoping to set up another drone flight.  Clearly need overview of Jesmond Dene and Guajome Lake Rd.  Would be great if we could set up a priority list of suspected areas in similar format to this (and concurrent rationale).for overview photos.

Does anyone know a way to print Google Earth to show the terraine? It would sure help.

I hope you all take a look at the video.  Carrie has worked on it for the last month--pardon a Grandmom's bragging but a large segment of them I took.  Suspect that you  monkeys can figure out "my touch" on film.  Keen observation does that to you. Need all your skills ..keep them coming.

Crimes have a patterns...but, this is so hard because it does not seem to match with other abductions.  Too clean.  I am really afraid it was someone she knew...starting to rain...got in the car for ride to school. Lock mechanism to keep her inside. Discounts the eye witnesses, but makes sense to me that it happened before she got to school. What do you think?  Too many neighbors in past years murdered children nearby...even just now it's happened again.

And yes,  I so worry about a locked basement in a house that is right in view.  How do you find out if there is a basement in a house on a hill?  Ideas?

Thanks for being there. Ambers Grandmom



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 26, 2009, 11:44:47 PM
I agree Blink, there could be a connection.
We have seen coincidences in other cases..
Maybe that is all this is too. But it needs to be checked out. Where exactly in that park was the body found ?
 It appeared to be a robbery, but possible she was murdered for other reasons.. she was wearing her same clothes, so they did not think there was a sex attack.. But there could have been and he used a condom and then made her put her clothes back on..
He may have attacked her elsewhere and made her walk to her death spot. If he did do that he can make a victim walk a long way before the murder..



More time needs to be spent following the footsteps of the victim. 
There appears to be a pattern with the Park murder suspect.
We would normally look 100 yards from parking areas..  But if it is the same guy maybe he decides to make his victim walk much further.. That worries me..


This other character "williams" who attacked the 16 year old girl in ElCajon is not the same guy..  BUT and grand-mom is checking into this Williams may have been on that train !! and if he was and made idol contact with Amber he may have gotten enough information to know where Amber lives.. The only thing I question on Williams is the cell phone message call the next day NORTH.. Williams is from the south of Escondido
 
I think we have 2 completely different suspects at this point.
Both may be the wrong suspect.

The molester with the red truck has his face clear as a bell on video and his truck license plate number should have been identified by now I would think..
It does not appear to be the same truck, but with surveillance video who knows. It would be good to arrest him for his crimes.. BUT I do no think he is our culprit because he is a chicken little boy touching innocent children and what we are looking for is a Violent personality who is willing to kidnap and possibly murder.


I naivete forget Amber could be alive.. She could be victim and held.. Sooner or later she will fall into the stockholm syndrome and then she will not try to escape.

If anyone can fight against the effect of the stockholm syndrome, it will be Amber.  We have watched tv shows reflecting what happens and discussed it in detail.  She really likes CSI, Without a Trace and similar (where ever did that come from...hmmm) She WILL fight to escape if she is captive.  Her gray cells work fine.  Unless, she is being drugged--a huge fear of mine. She has such spirit and it could cause her harm, but, I think she would fight rather than give up--I don't mean fist fight, I mean think of alternatives to escape.  I pray for her strength to remain.  After a Without a Trace show she asked me how long would I look for her if something happened to her and I said I would look until the day I died.  So...she knows we are NOT giving up!  GM


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 27, 2009, 12:02:32 AM
New video/collage of Amber - posted today by her Mom - my sister Carrie. 

http://vimeo.com/4848395

 ::MonkeyAngel::

(((((((hugs)))))))))) to you and your family. My prayers  are sent to bring this beautiful girl home to you where she belongs.

It stuck me when I saw her birth day, She is just 2 years older then one of my children.....


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: klaasend on May 27, 2009, 12:08:47 AM
Hard to get a good google earth showing enough area that is ok to post.  This is just the Escondido and surrounding areas:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Escondido.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 27, 2009, 12:13:02 AM

Hi Ambers Grandmom,  very sweet video. I understand how much you all want her home. Carrie helped us all see the little girl that is loved and missed.

I'm thinking about the house on a hill.  Tract home or custom?  New or old?  Family or single resident?
I know absolutely nothing about code, law etc., but if it's a tract home, the builder would more than likely be the same for all, a basement would probably require extra engineering, more support. If the builder was known, an" inquiry "from a neighbor interested if a basement is feasible, possible, have they ever built any in the area certainly wouldn't be a suspicious question. Without comprimising any actual house plans for any owner, the builder would probably at least be anxious to tell of this construction.

Same question could be posed to a custom builder if anyone might recall who it was.

The resident, if a single person, is the house close enough to get an idea of usual behavior? More groceries being brought in regularly than seems appropriate or than before?

Maybe all the clever monkeys will show up with more feasible ideas but until then here's mine.
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Blink34 on May 27, 2009, 12:27:03 AM
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCC&cp=33.184686~-117.191162&style=h&lvl=11&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&rtp=pos.33.1510334763306_-117.087938526291_Paradise%20St%2C%20Escondido%2C%20CA%2092026__~pos.33.2382959731667_-117.254472198634_Guajome%20Lake%20Rd%2C%20Vista%2C%20CA%2092084__&rtop=0~0~0&encType=1


This is excellent.  I am hoping to set up another drone flight.  Clearly need overview of Jesmond Dene and Guajome Lake Rd.  Would be great if we could set up a priority list of suspected areas in similar format to this (and concurrent rationale).for overview photos.

Does anyone know a way to print Google Earth to show the terraine? It would sure help.

I hope you all take a look at the video.  Carrie has worked on it for the last month--pardon a Grandmom's bragging but a large segment of them I took.  Suspect that you  monkeys can figure out "my touch" on film.  Keen observation does that to you. Need all your skills ..keep them coming.

Crimes have a patterns...but, this is so hard because it does not seem to match with other abductions.  Too clean.  I am really afraid it was someone she knew...starting to rain...got in the car for ride to school. Lock mechanism to keep her inside. Discounts the eye witnesses, but makes sense to me that it happened before she got to school. What do you think?  Too many neighbors in past years murdered children nearby...even just now it's happened again.

And yes,  I so worry about a locked basement in a house that is right in view.  How do you find out if there is a basement in a house on a hill?  Ideas?

Thanks for being there. Ambers Grandmom



GM-
I posted earlier. I feel Amber was aquainted with this individual. I do not believe, most especially as you noted her interest in shows that reflect case files like this, that she got into a vehicle with a stranger. Not without a struggle. What I saw from your stunningly gorgeous grandaughter, is that she is confident and wicked strong.
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Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 27, 2009, 03:08:21 AM
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCC&cp=33.219159~-117.105331&style=h&lvl=11&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&rtp=pos.33.1510334763306_-117.087938526291_Paradise%20St%2C%20Escondido%2C%20CA%2092026__~pos.33.2382959731667_-117.254472198634_Guajome%20Lake%20Rd%2C%20Vista%2C%20CA%2092084__&rtop=0~0~0&trfc=1&sp=Point.pj6xbx56t50w_PARK____~Point.pj5t2w56v81k_PARK____~Point.pj7xqx573dbf_GOPHER%20CANYON____~Point.pjn1wm5735kp_PALA%20ROAD____~Point.phycs55777n6_JESMOND%20PARK____~Point.phrmgm578dsn_AMBERS%20HOME____~Point.phrfg6577ysk_ANIMAL%20AREA%20OF%20SCHOOL____~Polyline.phsvzv5784p8_phyykd578s6g_pj302t577ygw_pj5vcm579vns_pj8b9s579vns_pj8dx7578b2h_pj7r725774jg_pj8b9s576kjn_pj7w3f574znv_pj7mbv573dj5_pj7w3f572ts6_pj87r856zbgn_pj6yzc56xy03_pj2gkg56y12s_pj31ck56wfz4_pj5xz356w5g7_pj5rsz56w8jy_pj5qh756w8jy_away%20from%20school%20rural____%23FF0000_%23008000_2pt_Single_Solid_pj7r72574631_&encType=1

When you click on the link..
If the white box is open listing all the push pin markers, do not hit the X use the arrows pointed upward to close the box .. you can control and zoom in and out and move around..

I like this link the best because it shows major roads in green as well as a alternate back roads route marked in red as well as the original path marked in blue, distance is about the same..
 The alternate takes them away from the school and to rural area roads but the same end location except that you enter the park from the opposite end, all of that OFF the main road system where he would fear of LE , He hopes he got away with her.. he does not that for sure..
so he takes a back road

Also
There are 2 kinds of Acquaintances..
1...somebody who is crafty and has gotten the info as to where she lives. A con artist and a manipulator. Could be the train ride he meets her and could be the Internet never the less he is sociopath, He finds a way to make his approach on her.

2. A friend from the area ... A friend from her neighborhood or somebody she walks by every day going to or from school, or somebody she walks by once a week like a gardener.
Or, a perceived friend from school.


Also, The Indian reservations, what jurisdiction does ELE have in these areas ? Do they follow tribal laws and have there own police ?

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: ChiChi on May 27, 2009, 03:08:24 AM
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCC&cp=33.184686~-117.191162&style=h&lvl=11&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&rtp=pos.33.1510334763306_-117.087938526291_Paradise%20St%2C%20Escondido%2C%20CA%2092026__~pos.33.2382959731667_-117.254472198634_Guajome%20Lake%20Rd%2C%20Vista%2C%20CA%2092084__&rtop=0~0~0&encType=1


This is excellent.  I am hoping to set up another drone flight.  Clearly need overview of Jesmond Dene and Guajome Lake Rd.  Would be great if we could set up a priority list of suspected areas in similar format to this (and concurrent rationale).for overview photos.

Does anyone know a way to print Google Earth to show the terraine? It would sure help.

I hope you all take a look at the video.  Carrie has worked on it for the last month--pardon a Grandmom's bragging but a large segment of them I took.  Suspect that you  monkeys can figure out "my touch" on film.  Keen observation does that to you. Need all your skills ..keep them coming.

Crimes have a patterns...but, this is so hard because it does not seem to match with other abductions.  Too clean.  I am really afraid it was someone she knew...starting to rain...got in the car for ride to school. Lock mechanism to keep her inside. Discounts the eye witnesses, but makes sense to me that it happened before she got to school. What do you think?  Too many neighbors in past years murdered children nearby...even just now it's happened again.

And yes,  I so worry about a locked basement in a house that is right in view.  How do you find out if there is a basement in a house on a hill?  Ideas?

Thanks for being there. Ambers Grandmom



found this link to the Escondido Assessor's Office, it does NOT give detailed info on each address, but it gives some. You might try calling their office and ask them, there maybe a way for them to search for this.  It all should be public info.

http://www.escondido.org/parcels/s3223.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: ChiChi on May 27, 2009, 03:19:11 AM
and found this

http://www.ci.escondido.ca.us/depts/cd/building/guidelines/6.pdf

basically tells you it is public info and anyone can search the records looks like IN the office.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: ChiChi on May 27, 2009, 03:23:53 AM
also, property that is for sale, could be searched through a local real estate search company.   Like here we use Metro Listing and can narrow the search to so many different aspects.  But, that's if it's for sale. Lovely video, I don't think any monkeys watched with a dry eye.  My heart goes out to you all, I cannot imagine.  Prayers go out to you and your family and of course Amber.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Blink34 on May 27, 2009, 07:14:18 AM
Edward, you are exactly right on the aquaintances, that is what I am referring to. A better word might be someone who was not a stranger to Amber, and that she may have been familiar with.

GM and Ampersand- Can you give as much detail as possible as to Amber's Ag classes and 4H activities. Was this taking place at a farm? Where was her lamb, Annette, going to be raised?

TIA
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Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 27, 2009, 09:38:59 AM
Law enforcement problems on California’s reservations, as in other states, stem in part
from limited resources and jurisdictional confusion. Many reservations are geographically
remote and involve enormous tracts of sometimes non-contiguous land. Because Indians
generally do not pay taxes, local law enforcement must provide additional law enforcement
services without the benefit of additional tax revenue. Local authorities are thus limited in their
ability to effectively patrol reservations and are sometimes unable to quickly respond to
emergency situations. Confusion over jurisdiction compounds these problems.

http://www.uchastings.edu/site_files/indiancountry.pdf

There are 5 Indian reservations wrapping the north east sector of north Escondido..
While seeking alternate routes by road I keep running through one of them..
What If.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 27, 2009, 09:42:06 AM
One local resident claimed the moroon pick up was common to local Gardners.
Is there a landscape maintenence company that has a fleet of Maroon pick ups ?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 27, 2009, 11:38:44 AM
One local resident claimed the moroon pick up was common to local Gardners.
Is there a landscape maintenence company that has a fleet of Maroon pick ups ?


Edward when I was doing the cell tower maps there was a odd looking complex on one of the satellite laps .  When I zoomed in it was a nursery.  Straight up the highway close to the At&T tower.  I will see if I can dig it out again.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 27, 2009, 12:01:01 PM
One local resident claimed the moroon pick up was common to local Gardners.
Is there a landscape maintenence company that has a fleet of Maroon pick ups ?


Edward when I was doing the cell tower maps there was a odd looking complex on one of the satellite laps .  When I zoomed in it was a nursery.  Straight up the highway close to the At&T tower.  I will see if I can dig it out again.

 NR  were you ever able to figure out which tower the ping came from or are you still having to use the general data from the zip codes?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 27, 2009, 02:04:40 PM
In 2007, there were 657 violent crimes and 4,329 property crimes in Escondido. [21] There were 4 murders, 28 rapes, 280 robberies, 345 aggravated assaults, 808 burglaries, 2,428 larceny thefts, 1,093 vehicle thefts, and 23 arsons.

The city ranked #65 by violent crimes per capita and #58 by property crimes per capita among 165 cities in California with populations greater than 50,000. Compared with 12 largest cities in San Diego County, it ranked 6th in both categories. Its crime rate was lower in both categories than in San Diego, El Cajon, and National City; higher in both categories than in San Marcos, Carlsbad, Encinitas, and Santee. Escondido had higher violent crime rates but lower property crime rate than La Mesa and Chula Vista, lower violent crime rates but higher property crime rates than Vista and Oceanside.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escondido,_California


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 27, 2009, 02:19:25 PM
Back on march 3 2009

the Escondido police and the San Diego Sheriff's Department search-and-rescue unit have been searching for Amber on the Rincon Indian reservation, at the end of Rincon Road, where teenagers often hang out and party.

So obviously it is ok to search on indian reservation land ? Local police have jurisdiction ?


There appears to be some articles that indicate high Meth usage on indian reservations..
Mexican cartels target them .. Ihave no idea if that is true or not.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 27, 2009, 02:29:42 PM
Wal-Mart Groper May Be Linked To Teen's Disappearance

FOX 5 San Diego
2:25 PM PDT, May 26, 2009

ESCONDIDO -- A burgundy-colored pickup truck may link the disappearance of 14-year-old Amber Dubois three months ago to the sexual molestation of two little girls at a pair of Wal-Mart stores in San Diego.

Surveillance tapes from the two Wal-Marts showed a large, burgundy pickup truck that also may have been spotted on tapes recorded three months ago near where Dubois disappeared, the San Diego Union-Tribune said.

San Diego police immediately contacted Escondido detectives when they saw a burgundy pickup truck pop up in the Wal-Mart surveillance tapes, Escondido police Lt. Bob Benton told the newspaper.

No suspect has been named or arrested in any of the cases.

Related links


Video May Hold Clue to Escondido Teen's Disappearance

The man molested two girls, a 5-and 6-year-old, in separate incidents. On April 1, a little girl was abused at the Wal-Mart at College Grove, and the other on May 17 at the Wal-Mart on Kearny Mesa. Neither girl was seriously injured, according to the newspaper.

In those two cases, surveillance tapes showed a 25-to 30-year old, 6- foot-tall white man who drove what appeared to be a burgundy, four-door, full- sized truck with a silver or chrome storage box in the bed, the newspaper stated.

The model is believed to be between 1998 and 2006.

In the Dubois case, a surveillance tape from a school-bus maintenance yard recorded a pickup entering the maintenance parking lot at 7:10 a.m. around the time she disappeared Feb. 13. The truck left 3 minutes later.

That burgundy truck was a newer model, full-sized, four-door maroon or burgundy truck with a crew cab.

It was equipped with chrome bed rails or tie- down rails with chrome running boards and wheels, the newspaper reported.

But the appearance of the truck at College Grove and Kearny Mesa was slightly different, police said.

The color of the pickup truck in those incidents was a "definite match,'' but the truck in the other cases is missing some of the customization spotted at Escondido, Benton told the newspaper.
But he added that there's a possibility the suspect "may have taken some things off'' the truck.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktl...,4314038.story


I took this from this web site..
http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10966&page=15


His face is as clear as can be on video..
His license plate could be an easy to identify on the original video..

Where is the WANTED POSTER on this guy ?   
ELE should already have him in custody.
jmho

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 27, 2009, 03:42:44 PM
edward, where is the photo of this guy's face?  in the burgandy pu at wal-mart?
thanks


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 27, 2009, 03:55:51 PM
It must be a page or 2 back as we were able to view a security video.
I do not have the ability or knowledge to save still images off video. I did stop the video at various points and viewed his face... and we are looking at a web video..
If it was the original video, I am sure they have a picture of his face,,


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 27, 2009, 06:48:06 PM
It must be a page or 2 back as we were able to view a security video.
I do not have the ability or knowledge to save still images off video. I did stop the video at various points and viewed his face... and we are looking at a web video..
If it was the original video, I am sure they have a picture of his face,,



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 27, 2009, 06:59:40 PM
Clear as a Bell..
We are looking at a web based video still image, imagine what the police are looking at.

Thank you Ampersand.. You are wonderful

I think Escondido should go looking for him.. What a piece of garbage.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 27, 2009, 08:21:43 PM
I swear this guy has a tat on the inside of his right arm
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/ambermolcase1.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 27, 2009, 08:23:03 PM
I've tried fooling around with the truck, and it keeps looking like to me it might have a different color frontend?  primered black?

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/ambermolcase5.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 27, 2009, 08:24:56 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/ambermolcase9.jpg)

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/ambermolcase7.jpg)

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/ambermolcase6.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 27, 2009, 08:28:32 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/ambermolcase2.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 27, 2009, 08:33:27 PM
You did very good with that image doubledecker


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 27, 2009, 08:36:32 PM
I do believe the F.B.I. could make it very clear with some very impressive software and people with know how on images..

But from the still alone his momma, brothers, sisters, wife, kids would know him


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 27, 2009, 09:24:01 PM
I am not a expert but it looks pretty close to me..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: klaasend on May 28, 2009, 12:33:55 AM
omg, I did not mean to post that photo on here.  I thought I was posting a different one ...ughh ::MonkeyShocked::

I deleted it  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 28, 2009, 12:54:52 AM
For anyone that might know:

Did EPD set up any roadblocks at the same time of the morning Amber went missing in the area? Any traffic cams, any convenience store cams, go through all traffic tickets for that morning, etc, next day, etc.

What vehicle detailing/Full service car wash data is available, has all this been checked, their regular dumpster routes, etc.

EPD should be able to account for every available possible piece of footage, have they?


  No roadblocks because no Amber Alert was issued by EPD. The high school left a voice message that Amber missed her first period (she had perfect attendance!) so Carrie did not know until 4 pm that she had not been in school.  When Amber did not call at 3:30 she was in her car and searching for her!

The EPD considered her a runaway.  It took a lot of work to get them to enter her as "missing."  I was 100 miles away at the time, so, cannot give more details about how difficult it was for Carrie and Dave to persuade LE that she did not run away!

We have been told that the "ONLY" footage is that of the red truck and OTHER children entering school.


Hello AmbersGM,

I am so sorry for what you are going through.  I do not have any grandchildren, but have teens of my own and cannot imagine the hell you all are living in.  Especially with so little to go on it seems.  I don't know if anyone has already done this, but what made me think of it was a neighbor of ours has a security system in his home.  While in his house one day, I was watching the video cameras.  The camera that was positioned in the front of his house captures all the activity in front of his house and accross the street.  Like I said, I don't know if anyone has but, what about going door to door to each house along the route she would have walked and asking about security cameras?  I know it is a lot of work, but if someone (time is the enemy now) had the video of that day you could find out whether or not she made it that far... local businesses she may have walked past may have cameras too.  Problem being that now so much time has passed, it may have been taped over, but it might be worth a shot.  Some systems use DVR and can record much longer than the old videos. 

Also, I was wondering if a list of newer vehicles matching the description of the truck on the school yard was compiled by maybe DMV and by process of elimination? Do any of the SO's in the area have basements in their homes?  Could be a place to hide someone away.  I don't mean to make your stomach turn, but just trying to think out loud. 
 
u\Using the route preferred by LE, they found no security cameras between the crossing at Broadway and the school yard, despite quite a few houses.  I am going down tomorrow and will be checking for cameras if the abductor turned right on Broadway towards the park.  Hoping if so, they used DVR because it has been a long time.  Will advise. Am staying overnight to have time to canvass the area in full. 

The family has an expert who has just about completed  a 3-D stereoscopic analysis of matched pairs, motion analysis, measurements with respect to surrounding structures, inventory of vehicle attributes, etc. as to what exact truck was on the video.  Must give LE a shot at items you mention above  (DMV etc) before we release the data to the public.  At that time, if the press release leaves questions (and from this group I am sure it will) we will supplement the data for you. 

Do not know how to find out about basements.  Ideas???GM


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 28, 2009, 01:02:07 AM
Thank you Monkey Goddesses and gods for the repair to the above post. ::MonkeyWink::
 It appears if you click on that link you can now see the route of 16.1 miles and 22 minutes with a blue line ...
 This route would take them in front of the high school and she made be tied up and unable to communicate.
 Take a look it at and zoom in a little and use the birds eye buttons, then you can use the tools to show other possible travel routes..
You can Create your own possible route..

The link above represents a possible route to me ..

I think personally, that he drove out away from the high school .. the opposite direction .. which is different then the link.

It would also mean the perpetrator knows the area very well.
If it was the same person as in the previous park murder then he may be thinking he will hide her better this time..
But, Not the same park.. and a person can get to this destination from 2 directions, one far more rural then the other.

Just a thought.


I think he (they) drove away from the high school also.  Will be checking it out tomorrow using some ideas from my monkeys.  Will report back on Friday.  That 100 mile drive each way from LA area to San Diego area is a tuf one for such an old GM.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 28, 2009, 01:09:06 AM
Hard to get a good google earth showing enough area that is ok to post.  This is just the Escondido and surrounding areas:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Escondido.jpg)

How did you get Google Earth to print.  Which option did you use?  I just get a blank page unless I only ask for the map. Help!. I want to do segments for search purposes. GM


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 28, 2009, 01:11:29 AM
100 miles at 120mph is only, umm.. 45 minutes .. ::MonkeyWink:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 28, 2009, 01:15:32 AM
One local resident claimed the moroon pick up was common to local Gardners.
Is there a landscape maintenence company that has a fleet of Maroon pick ups ?


Edward when I was doing the cell tower maps there was a odd looking complex on one of the satellite laps .  When I zoomed in it was a nursery.  Straight up the highway close to the At&T tower.  I will see if I can dig it out again.

 NR  were you ever able to figure out which tower the ping came from or are you still having to use the general data from the zip codes?

Not able to pin it down as I do not have enough information and there are many unregistered towers in that area.  It literally could be any one of them with the information I know.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 28, 2009, 01:16:17 AM

Hi Ambers Grandmom,  very sweet video. I understand how much you all want her home. Carrie helped us all see the little girl that is loved and missed.

I'm thinking about the house on a hill.  Tract home or custom?  New or old?  Family or single resident?
I know absolutely nothing about code, law etc., but if it's a tract home, the builder would more than likely be the same for all, a basement would probably require extra engineering, more support. If the builder was known, an" inquiry "from a neighbor interested if a basement is feasible, possible, have they ever built any in the area certainly wouldn't be a suspicious question. Without comprimising any actual house plans for any owner, the builder would probably at least be anxious to tell of this construction.

Same question could be posed to a custom builder if anyone might recall who it was.

The resident, if a single person, is the house close enough to get an idea of usual behavior? More groceries being brought in regularly than seems appropriate or than before?

Maybe all the clever monkeys will show up with more feasible ideas but until then here's mine.
 
Definitely custom homes on her street.  I'll take a better look on Paradise..maybe tract there as they are smaller, lots of vehicles parked there all the time..pickups.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 28, 2009, 01:29:48 AM
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCC&cp=33.184686~-117.191162&style=h&lvl=11&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&rtp=pos.33.1510334763306_-117.087938526291_Paradise%20St%2C%20Escondido%2C%20CA%2092026__~pos.33.2382959731667_-117.254472198634_Guajome%20Lake%20Rd%2C%20Vista%2C%20CA%2092084__&rtop=0~0~0&encType=1


This is excellent.  I am hoping to set up another drone flight.  Clearly need overview of Jesmond Dene and Guajome Lake Rd.  Would be great if we could set up a priority list of suspected areas in similar format to this (and concurrent rationale).for overview photos.

Does anyone know a way to print Google Earth to show the terraine? It would sure help.

I hope you all take a look at the video.  Carrie has worked on it for the last month--pardon a Grandmom's bragging but a large segment of them I took.  Suspect that you  monkeys can figure out "my touch" on film.  Keen observation does that to you. Need all your skills ..keep them coming.

Crimes have a patterns...but, this is so hard because it does not seem to match with other abductions.  Too clean.  I am really afraid it was someone she knew...starting to rain...got in the car for ride to school. Lock mechanism to keep her inside. Discounts the eye witnesses, but makes sense to me that it happened before she got to school. What do you think?  Too many neighbors in past years murdered children nearby...even just now it's happened again.

And yes,  I so worry about a locked basement in a house that is right in view.  How do you find out if there is a basement in a house on a hill?  Ideas?

Thanks for being there. Ambers Grandmom



GM-
I posted earlier. I feel Amber was aquainted with this individual. I do not believe, most especially as you noted her interest in shows that reflect case files like this, that she got into a vehicle with a stranger. Not without a struggle. What I saw from your stunningly gorgeous grandaughter, is that she is confident and wicked strong.
B
I believe she might have known the person...either a ride to get out of the rain on way to school or she was told of an emergency with her Mom who left for work early that day...or , she did not know the person and was overcome with force along Paradise..in between all the pick up trucks down there. She is "wicked strong" [nice phrase] but not so much as to be able to overcome a strong male abductor.  At a family birthday last summer there was a bouncer with steps and a slide into a pool.  She got picked up and dumped into the pool. I've looked at the film over and over...she really DID TRY to avoid the dunking,,,she could not...but, she got him soaking wet, too.  That is good and bad.  She could have fought very hard and been murdered at a result.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 28, 2009, 01:34:55 AM
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCC&cp=33.219159~-117.105331&style=h&lvl=11&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&rtp=pos.33.1510334763306_-117.087938526291_Paradise%20St%2C%20Escondido%2C%20CA%2092026__~pos.33.2382959731667_-117.254472198634_Guajome%20Lake%20Rd%2C%20Vista%2C%20CA%2092084__&rtop=0~0~0&trfc=1&sp=Point.pj6xbx56t50w_PARK____~Point.pj5t2w56v81k_PARK____~Point.pj7xqx573dbf_GOPHER%20CANYON____~Point.pjn1wm5735kp_PALA%20ROAD____~Point.phycs55777n6_JESMOND%20PARK____~Point.phrmgm578dsn_AMBERS%20HOME____~Point.phrfg6577ysk_ANIMAL%20AREA%20OF%20SCHOOL____~Polyline.phsvzv5784p8_phyykd578s6g_pj302t577ygw_pj5vcm579vns_pj8b9s579vns_pj8dx7578b2h_pj7r725774jg_pj8b9s576kjn_pj7w3f574znv_pj7mbv573dj5_pj7w3f572ts6_pj87r856zbgn_pj6yzc56xy03_pj2gkg56y12s_pj31ck56wfz4_pj5xz356w5g7_pj5rsz56w8jy_pj5qh756w8jy_away%20from%20school%20rural____%23FF0000_%23008000_2pt_Single_Solid_pj7r72574631_&encType=1

When you click on the link..
If the white box is open listing all the push pin markers, do not hit the X use the arrows pointed upward to close the box .. you can control and zoom in and out and move around..

I like this link the best because it shows major roads in green as well as a alternate back roads route marked in red as well as the original path marked in blue, distance is about the same..
 The alternate takes them away from the school and to rural area roads but the same end location except that you enter the park from the opposite end, all of that OFF the main road system where he would fear of LE , He hopes he got away with her.. he does not that for sure..
so he takes a back road

Also
There are 2 kinds of Acquaintances..
1...somebody who is crafty and has gotten the info as to where she lives. A con artist and a manipulator. Could be the train ride he meets her and could be the Internet never the less he is sociopath, He finds a way to make his approach on her.

2. A friend from the area ... A friend from her neighborhood or somebody she walks by every day going to or from school, or somebody she walks by once a week like a gardener.
Or, a perceived friend from school.


Also, The Indian reservations, what jurisdiction does ELE have in these areas ? Do they follow tribal laws and have there own police ?

 
Our volunteers are told to stay away from the reservations on land seaches.  Several report seeing shot guns if they got too close. 
I posted in a trailer park in Vista.  One of the residents works at the reservation.  Have talked to him several times.  He got permission to
put up Amber's posters  there and keeps listening for tips. None to date. GM


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 28, 2009, 01:41:25 AM
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCC&cp=33.184686~-117.191162&style=h&lvl=11&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&rtp=pos.33.1510334763306_-117.087938526291_Paradise%20St%2C%20Escondido%2C%20CA%2092026__~pos.33.2382959731667_-117.254472198634_Guajome%20Lake%20Rd%2C%20Vista%2C%20CA%2092084__&rtop=0~0~0&encType=1


This is excellent.  I am hoping to set up another drone flight.  Clearly need overview of Jesmond Dene and Guajome Lake Rd.  Would be great if we could set up a priority list of suspected areas in similar format to this (and concurrent rationale).for overview photos.

Does anyone know a way to print Google Earth to show the terraine? It would sure help.

I hope you all take a look at the video.  Carrie has worked on it for the last month--pardon a Grandmom's bragging but a large segment of them I took.  Suspect that you  monkeys can figure out "my touch" on film.  Keen observation does that to you. Need all your skills ..keep them coming.

Crimes have a patterns...but, this is so hard because it does not seem to match with other abductions.  Too clean.  I am really afraid it was someone she knew...starting to rain...got in the car for ride to school. Lock mechanism to keep her inside. Discounts the eye witnesses, but makes sense to me that it happened before she got to school. What do you think?  Too many neighbors in past years murdered children nearby...even just now it's happened again.

And yes,  I so worry about a locked basement in a house that is right in view.  How do you find out if there is a basement in a house on a hill?  Ideas?

Thanks for being there. Ambers Grandmom



found this link to the Escondido Assessor's Office, it does NOT give detailed info on each address, but it gives some. You might try calling their office and ask them, there maybe a way for them to search for this.  It all should be public info.

http://www.escondido.org/parcels/s3223.html

Thanks. I think I'll need to have a contractor walk the area and eye-ball if there is space for a basement on the hill houses.  Then have the blueprints checked out at Building and Safety, Planning (or whatever they may call it there.) Will be tedious.  Anyone else in that area to help, let me know.  GM


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 28, 2009, 01:45:05 AM
and found this

http://www.ci.escondido.ca.us/depts/cd/building/guidelines/6.pdf

basically tells you it is public info and anyone can search the records looks like IN the office.

Like I said earlier, any monkeys in that area who can read blueprints, let me know and we can divide and conquer the housing suspects.  Thanks. GM


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 28, 2009, 01:56:29 AM
Edward, you are exactly right on the aquaintances, that is what I am referring to. A better word might be someone who was not a stranger to Amber, and that she may have been familiar with.

GM and Ampersand- Can you give as much detail as possible as to Amber's Ag classes and 4H activities. Was this taking place at a farm? Where was her lamb, Annette, going to be raised?

TIA
B
Amber's class was first period. It was in the far back corner of the school, as far from the farm as possible, geographically. She did not have a place to go in the farm for her lamb or anything else until she paid the check to the teacher that morning.  So, the suggestion that she went to look for "her" lamb makes no sense.  She didn't have it yet. No 4H. Was Future Farmers.  She went to meetings.  There was one just before this that she attended with her Mom to learn about the cost, responsibilities, etc. of an animal.  The lamb is raised on the school farm ( 6 acres I think).  It is quite a place.  Kids start with a lamb or pig. Go to larger animal if they can afford it ...usually from the sale of the first one at the Fair.  Good kids.  Very into ag.  I have gone to the farm with Carrie, seen the lamb, shopped for the lamb, etc.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: ChiChi on May 28, 2009, 01:57:25 AM
It must be a page or 2 back as we were able to view a security video.
I do not have the ability or knowledge to save still images off video. I did stop the video at various points and viewed his face... and we are looking at a web video..
If it was the original video, I am sure they have a picture of his face,,


wasnt the description of the person walking near or with Amber kind of like this description?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 28, 2009, 02:02:46 AM
I do believe the F.B.I. could make it very clear with some very impressive software and people with know how on images..

But from the still alone his momma, brothers, sisters, wife, kids would know him

Don't believe everything you hear on TV about the software the FBI has.  Private enterprise has better. GN


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 28, 2009, 02:17:13 AM
100 miles at 120mph is only, umm.. 45 minutes .. ::MonkeyWink:: ::cartwheel::

Nolo contendere.  My car is spotted everywhere...whatever the speed...big Amber poster on door. Today someone saw it in restaurant parking lot at lunch
and came in to find me to say how her family was praying for us.  She went table to table. to find me.  That...was special. 
But, as to speed. At 120 mph a car would be going 2 miles a minute so it would take 50 minutes to make a 100 mile trip...wouldn't it??? Well, a bit longer to chat with CHP along the way.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 28, 2009, 02:17:39 AM
Be safe on your trip tomarrow.
night


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on May 28, 2009, 02:22:49 AM
Be safe on your trip tomarrow.
night

Thanks, Edward.  Quoting my dearest Amber: "nitey nite".


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 28, 2009, 12:01:51 PM
Quote GM..
Our volunteers are told to stay away from the reservations on land seaches.  Several report seeing shot guns if they got too close. 
I posted in a trailer park in Vista.  One of the residents works at the reservation.  Have talked to him several times.  He got permission to
put up Amber's posters  there and keeps listening for tips. None to date. GM
END

This is not good.. I count 5 Indian reservations in north Escondido..!!!!
If the perp is Indian, then he owns the perfect spot..
Is this the United States ?
This is what happens when our leaders give away America..But that is another story
jmho.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 28, 2009, 12:12:36 PM
Be safe on your trip tomarrow.
night

Thanks, Edward.  Quoting my dearest Amber: "nitey nite".

(http://www.bigcatdesigns.com/amber/index.2.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Blink34 on May 28, 2009, 12:14:09 PM
Edward, you are exactly right on the aquaintances, that is what I am referring to. A better word might be someone who was not a stranger to Amber, and that she may have been familiar with.

GM and Ampersand- Can you give as much detail as possible as to Amber's Ag classes and 4H activities. Was this taking place at a farm? Where was her lamb, Annette, going to be raised?

TIA
B
Amber's class was first period. It was in the far back corner of the school, as far from the farm as possible, geographically. She did not have a place to go in the farm for her lamb or anything else until she paid the check to the teacher that morning.  So, the suggestion that she went to look for "her" lamb makes no sense.  She didn't have it yet. No 4H. Was Future Farmers.  She went to meetings.  There was one just before this that she attended with her Mom to learn about the cost, responsibilities, etc. of an animal.  The lamb is raised on the school farm ( 6 acres I think).  It is quite a place.  Kids start with a lamb or pig. Go to larger animal if they can afford it ...usually from the sale of the first one at the Fair.  Good kids.  Very into ag.  I have gone to the farm with Carrie, seen the lamb, shopped for the lamb, etc.
Understood.
Where were the Future Farmers meeting held, and where is the school farm located?
Who staffs it, any migrant community?
B


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 28, 2009, 01:50:10 PM
rez's can be very tricky to get on or to get info from the people there.  I will see what I can do to get some info to them and some info from them.  I have a few contacts.  It takes an act of God and a fed marshall to do anything if they decide they do not want you there.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 28, 2009, 02:56:43 PM
Thank you doubledecker..I was just checking into this..
I am happy to see you have some knowlege on it.
Federal marshall.. Good idea.
A friend of mine said the F.B.I. also has the ability to go any place.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 28, 2009, 03:13:45 PM
Thank you doubledecker..I was just checking into this..
I am happy to see you have some knowlege on it.
Federal marshall.. Good idea.
A friend of mine said the F.B.I. also has the ability to go any place.

rez's are Nations within themself, technically/legally they are not a part of the United states.  they are their own NATION.  federal marshalls are allowed on them


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 28, 2009, 03:23:01 PM
actually, I guess I better clarify that a bit more. 

Nations have a right to self-govern, but if they have nothing set up to the effect, then there are times the state or local can issue warrants if they are going on to the rez to arrest someone.  However, if it interferes with the self-governing of the Nation, then they can't.  It all depends really on if there is a warrant issued for a specific crime, and if the Nations government has things in place to NOT allow someone other than themself to govern their Nation.

you will find different jurisdiction restrictions on different rez's depending on how their self-government is set up. But for police to just go on the rez and start snooping without warrants and without any specific reason, they do not have to allow them on there.  If the state or local jurisdictions are interfering with the Nation's self-government, they can't go on there..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 28, 2009, 03:25:02 PM
the best way to find out anything that might be happing on the rez etc, is for someone who knows someone to get ahold of Natives and just ask them if they have heard anything.  Will they tell you?  probably not ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 28, 2009, 03:34:15 PM
Exactley.. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 28, 2009, 03:35:32 PM
So the Culprit may reside there, and unless we have Proof positive no warrant to search his home at all will be issued. ?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 28, 2009, 03:45:47 PM
So the Culprit may reside there, and unless we have Proof positive no warrant to search his home at all will be issued. ?


not going to be easy at all. 

I think posting all over the area about the large reward would be the way to go. 

now one thing I am wondering.  "IF" there really was a dark-skinned boy walking with amber, and "IF" he is Native, is he also missing?  I think asking around to see if any Native boys are missing is a good idea. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 28, 2009, 03:47:27 PM
there are also some specific gangs located within some of the rez's.  We need to find out where they hang out, and go plaster amber's flyer all over where they are. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 28, 2009, 04:06:03 PM
some very good ideas. I think you are correct.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 29, 2009, 01:37:30 AM
I have hit a moment of frustration..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 29, 2009, 03:12:50 AM
Inaja - Cosmit Band of Indians   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
1040 East Valley Parkway
Escondido, CA 92025
(760) 747-8581

LANGUAGE - ETHNOLOGY  ...   Hey, everyone speaks it.. ::MonkeyRoll::
Kumeyaay (Diegueño)

ACREAGE  846  ::MonkeyRoll::
 
POPULATION
(none on reservation)  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink::

What kind of tax scam is this ???  ::MonkeyDevil::

Anyways ..
I know there is a good reason why this tribe has its own "nation" and no local law effects them ?
What happened to all the members ?

Back to research,  :smt024   :smt102::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 29, 2009, 03:22:34 AM
(http://www.lajollaindians.com/file/img/Map2.gif)

The La Jolla Indian Reservation was est. in 1875, over 130 years ago by executive order ofthe president of the United States Ulysses S. Grant. However we have existed here for thousands of years. This reservation consists of 9,998 acres of Federal Land and around 702 enrolled Tribal Members. Much of the land is undisturbed and is located at the foothills of Palomar Mountain. A semi-wilderness Reservation with the San Luis Rey River running through it, that is also fed by natural springs.

The majority of the landscape consists of Oak trees, abundant wild flowers, sage and other indigenous plants. The Oak trees produced one of our major foods that help sustain our way of life. (One of our dishes made from the Acorn we call wii wish). Among other roots, berries, seeds, small and large game, such as rabbit, deer and wood rats. Please help in the care and respect of our Reservation.

Currently, the La Jolla Indian Reservation is a federal reservation of Luiseño Indians in Northern San Diego County, along the southern slopes of Mount Palomar, near the community of Valley Center. Tribal government consists of a five member Tribal Council, with a Chairperson, Vice Chairperson, Secretary, Treasurer, and a Council Member.
 
 
La Jolla Band of Luiseño Indians
Campground Phone: 760.742.1297
Admin Phone: 760.742.3790
Fax: 760.742.1704
Address: 22000 Hwy 76
PaumaValley, CA 92061

 
 
http://www.lajollaindians.com/contact/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 29, 2009, 03:28:08 AM
San Diego County has more Indian reservations than any other county in the United States. However, the reservations are very small, with total land holdings of just over 124,000 acres, or about 193 square miles of the 4,205 square miles in San Diego County (reservation acerage source from the San Diego County Tax Assessor).  Of the 20,000 Native Americans who make up the 4 tribal groups that live in San Diego County, only a small percentage live on reservation land.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 29, 2009, 03:41:31 AM
San Pasqual Band of Indians
P.O. Box 365
Valley Center, CA 92082
(760) 749-3200
http://www.sanpasqualindians.org/

POPULATION
752

12 miles from Escondido, adjoining the community of Valley Center and on Highway S-6.

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 29, 2009, 03:53:54 AM
Convicted tribal members fined, banned from reservation
Joe Nelson, Staff Writer

SAN MANUEL INDIAN RESERVATION - In an unprecedented move, San Manuel Chairman James Ramos has announced his tribe’s decision to fine two convicted tribal members linked to a murder conspiracy and ban them from the reservation.

Decisions made by the tribal council, composed of all tribal members over age 21, typically remain private matters within the tribe and are never made public.

Ramos said the tribal council’s Dec. 13 decision to ban Stacy Barajas-Nunez 26, and her brother, Erik Barajas, 36, from the reservation and fine them a “considerable” amount of money for disorderly conduct speaks volumes to the tribe’s position of holding its members accountable for errant behavior.

“This isn’t just lip service. This is action in force,” Ramos said. “We’re actually taking action, and showing through action, with overwhelming support, to impose fines and bans on our own tribal members.”

Ramos wouldn’t disclose how much the Barajases were fined or how long they will be banned from the reservation. He did say the tribe is enforcing its decision, and working with the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department and the District Attorney’s Office to ensure that the Barajases remain in compliance.

Erik Barajas’ San Bernardino attorney, Chuck Nascin, declined to comment Friday.

Barajas-Nunez’s attorney, Albert Perez Jr., didn’t return phone calls seeking comment.

San Bernardino police and agents from the federal Drug Enforcement Administration arrested the siblings in December 2006 during a joint investigation into the Mexican Mafia’s methamphetamine rackets in the San Bernardino area. Authorities learned during that investigation of a conspiracy hatched by the Barajases and several others, including two high ranking members of the Mexican Mafia, to kill Leonard Epps.

The murder conspiracy stemmed from an altercation Erik Barajas had with Epps at the now closed Brass Key bar in Highland. Epps, who remains in hiding, was the former manager of the bar.

On Nov. 6, the Barajases were sentenced to five years probation for their roles in the murder conspiracy. Judge Michael Dest told the pair their sentences were not light ones, and they could face “double digit” prison time if they violated the terms of their probation.

Two weeks after her sentencing, sheriff’s deputies arrested Barajas-Nunez for trespassing at San Manuel Indian Bingo & Casino. The tribe had previously ordered her to stay away from the casino.

Deputy District Attorney Douglas Poston says that’s a violation of probation. One of the conditions of Barajas-Nunez’s probation was to not break any laws.

Barajas-Nunez remains in custody, without bail, at the West Valley Detention Center in Rancho Cucamonga. A probation revocation hearing is scheduled for Jan. 23.

In his petition for probation revocation, filed Nov. 24 in San Bernardino Superior Court, Poston argues that Barajas-Nunez broke the law and violated the terms of her probation by trespassing and not having in her possession a copy of her terms of probation.

Barajas-Nunez is facing up to 20 years in prison, Poston said.

http://www.kumeyaay.com/2009/01/convicted-tribal-members-fined-banned-from-reservation/

wow fined and kicked out..sounds like the county and federal courts still prosecute offenders, lightly


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on May 29, 2009, 12:16:57 PM
Convicted tribal members fined, banned from reservation
Joe Nelson, Staff Writer

SAN MANUEL INDIAN RESERVATION - In an unprecedented move, San Manuel Chairman James Ramos has announced his tribe’s decision to fine two convicted tribal members linked to a murder conspiracy and ban them from the reservation.

Decisions made by the tribal council, composed of all tribal members over age 21, typically remain private matters within the tribe and are never made public.

Ramos said the tribal council’s Dec. 13 decision to ban Stacy Barajas-Nunez 26, and her brother, Erik Barajas, 36, from the reservation and fine them a “considerable” amount of money for disorderly conduct speaks volumes to the tribe’s position of holding its members accountable for errant behavior.

“This isn’t just lip service. This is action in force,” Ramos said. “We’re actually taking action, and showing through action, with overwhelming support, to impose fines and bans on our own tribal members.”

Ramos wouldn’t disclose how much the Barajases were fined or how long they will be banned from the reservation. He did say the tribe is enforcing its decision, and working with the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department and the District Attorney’s Office to ensure that the Barajases remain in compliance.

Erik Barajas’ San Bernardino attorney, Chuck Nascin, declined to comment Friday.

Barajas-Nunez’s attorney, Albert Perez Jr., didn’t return phone calls seeking comment.

San Bernardino police and agents from the federal Drug Enforcement Administration arrested the siblings in December 2006 during a joint investigation into the Mexican Mafia’s methamphetamine rackets in the San Bernardino area. Authorities learned during that investigation of a conspiracy hatched by the Barajases and several others, including two high ranking members of the Mexican Mafia, to kill Leonard Epps.

The murder conspiracy stemmed from an altercation Erik Barajas had with Epps at the now closed Brass Key bar in Highland. Epps, who remains in hiding, was the former manager of the bar.

On Nov. 6, the Barajases were sentenced to five years probation for their roles in the murder conspiracy. Judge Michael Dest told the pair their sentences were not light ones, and they could face “double digit” prison time if they violated the terms of their probation.

Two weeks after her sentencing, sheriff’s deputies arrested Barajas-Nunez for trespassing at San Manuel Indian Bingo & Casino. The tribe had previously ordered her to stay away from the casino.

Deputy District Attorney Douglas Poston says that’s a violation of probation. One of the conditions of Barajas-Nunez’s probation was to not break any laws.

Barajas-Nunez remains in custody, without bail, at the West Valley Detention Center in Rancho Cucamonga. A probation revocation hearing is scheduled for Jan. 23.

In his petition for probation revocation, filed Nov. 24 in San Bernardino Superior Court, Poston argues that Barajas-Nunez broke the law and violated the terms of her probation by trespassing and not having in her possession a copy of her terms of probation.

Barajas-Nunez is facing up to 20 years in prison, Poston said.

http://www.kumeyaay.com/2009/01/convicted-tribal-members-fined-banned-from-reservation/

wow fined and kicked out..sounds like the county and federal courts still prosecute offenders, lightly

Posted on January 10th, 2009 by hunwut


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 29, 2009, 05:14:34 PM
One local resident claimed the moroon pick up was common to local Gardners.
Is there a landscape maintenence company that has a fleet of Maroon pick ups ?


Edward when I was doing the cell tower maps there was a odd looking complex on one of the satellite laps .  When I zoomed in it was a nursery.  Straight up the highway close to the At&T tower.  I will see if I can dig it out again.

 NR  were you ever able to figure out which tower the ping came from or are you still having to use the general data from the zip codes?

Not able to pin it down as I do not have enough information and there are many unregistered towers in that area.  It literally could be any one of them with the information I know.

If I were to guess my guess would be the At&t Tower at 2691 Mesa Rock Road.  If someone from the family can find out where the north tower is that the last ping came from, or from the cell carrier whose towers they lease bandwith from in the area that would be of great help.  The coverage from that AT &T tower is two miles baring terrain.  I have done a quick map showing the coverage from that tower.  Now going back to the truck possibly for landscaping, Escondido Nurseries falls within the coverage areas.   Do they use maroon trucks or use contractors that may have one?



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 29, 2009, 05:22:51 PM
Plant World is in that area as well.

Plant World Nursery Inc
26334 Mesa Rock Rd
Escondido, CA
P: 760-741-2144


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 29, 2009, 05:32:52 PM
Tropic World Nursery fits as well

Tropic World Nursery
26437 N Centre City Pkwy
Escondido, CA, US
P: 760-746-6108


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on May 29, 2009, 05:37:06 PM
Fountains Plus Garden Centre all falls with the area
26746 Mountain Meadow Rd
Escondido, CA
760-751-0333


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 30, 2009, 12:37:00 AM
Good to see somebody from the area..


I do hope a moderator will come along and clean up this thread and keep it only about Amber.

Patricia Bernal has returned home.  Posts moved to her thread:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5263.0
Edit to add link.






Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 30, 2009, 11:50:24 AM
The attempt to log in on the phone the next day is still the best lead.. everything beyond that is just theory and possibilities.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 30, 2009, 11:54:06 AM
I hope LE has more.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 30, 2009, 01:22:23 PM
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This video shows a very clear image of the walmart pedofile.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 30, 2009, 01:29:32 PM
sorry about that link disaster..



The Department of Justice has determined that 2,185 children are reported missing every day, she said. Nearly 203,900 children are abducted by family members every year and 115 children are victims of stranger kidnappings each year.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 30, 2009, 01:33:52 PM
Here is where that video is located of the pedofile walking around in walmart.

  http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Two-Cases-Two-Red-Trucks.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 30, 2009, 10:26:16 PM
do we know which two neighbors said they saw amber walking to school that day?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 31, 2009, 10:22:07 AM
The 2nd walmart video I had posted.. shows this man inside the store and has a very clear image of him..
Why is it that his face is not all over AMW web site and on Nancy Grace and Fox ?
Am I missing something ?

The silence ..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 31, 2009, 10:31:11 AM
"http://www.nbcsandiego.com/syndication?id=45525777&path=%2Fnews%2Flocal"


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on May 31, 2009, 12:40:36 PM
The 2nd walmart video I had posted.. shows this man inside the store and has a very clear image of him..
Why is it that his face is not all over AMW web site and on Nancy Grace and Fox ?
Am I missing something ?

The silence ..

I don't think you are "missing" anything   ::MonkeyWink::

there is obviously "some" reason they are not putting it out there.  Another one of those "weird" things they do with cases.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on May 31, 2009, 01:10:09 PM
Edward I don't know  why this is not plastered everywhere. This video is an amazingly clear pic of the man, in fact you can see he has curly hair! It takes a lot of guts to do what he did and who is to say he has stopped there. We are going to end up hearing about a little girl or boy taken and this person responsible. They need to find him, he is acting too bold in my opinion.

When did this take place?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 31, 2009, 01:26:41 PM
The search engines are even missing everything..

When I put in Amber's name "which I do twice a day" You would think this case would come up in order of events..

It does not happen.. Even Amber's site with its most currant news on amber is not accurate on information in proper order of events.. ..

One of the changes that needs to happen when searching for information on missing people. This is and should be the responsibility of the programmers that create and update search engine data bases..
Add that one to the list Tracy girl..

Also there were 2 different walmarts that this man enters to molest these girls, whch is probably ALL on security camera. 
I have to read back to find them.
jmho


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 31, 2009, 01:28:49 PM
The man molested two girls, a 5-and 6-year-old, in separate incidents. On April 1, a little girl was abused at the Wal-Mart at College Grove, and the other on May 17 at the Wal-Mart on Kearny Mesa.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 31, 2009, 01:33:14 PM
Kearny Mesa is a community in the eastern part of San Diego, California.


Located east of downtown San Diego near the Lemon Grove area, College Grove was developed around the area’s first regional shopping mall in the early 1960s. After a decline in the area during the 80s, it revived in the 1990s with a big box shopping center and is now thriving with a Mervyn’s, Wal-Mar, Target, Sam’s Club, Staples, Starbucks, and 24-hour Fitness. The shopping complex is at the intersection of Hwy 94 and College Avenue.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 31, 2009, 01:40:02 PM
Both are South on 15

From Escondido crossing a bridge on on Hodges Lake.. ::MonkeyEek:: and going past a marine corps military base  ::MonkeyEek:: and mission trails regional park.. various other locations..

If the search area is south of Escondido then there are many possible places..


What if he is military ? He looks military..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 31, 2009, 01:51:24 PM
looks like there is a tatoo on his right arm


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on May 31, 2009, 02:03:39 PM
The lack of obvious progress with LE and their unwillingness to cooperate with the family and outside investigators is just appalling!   What explains their attitude?  Can't the family go around them?

If they know the phone was turned on and hit a tower, why not say what tower?   As Edward said, that is the only real fact we have after the disappearance, and we need it.

Amber's horse?  Where is it boarded?  If someone from there drove up and told Amber the horse was injured or ill, would she have gotten in the truck with them?  Amber's Mom  said on NG that she rode Amber's horse through a park looking for her, so I assume it is kept locally.

An offroad and/or motorcycle rider on some mountain road reported seeing human remains according to a WS post which I seem unable to find right now.   He called LE who came out and "found nothing".   Did family hear about this?  Have additional searches been done in the area? 

Did Amber text during her walk to school?   Just to verify that she did at least start walking to school.

Since I think Amber spent many weekends with her father and his family,  have they looked at acquaintances there? And in Escondido?     You know.... odd cousin ..Unkn.  who is strange but liked Amber and would never harm anyone (they hope).

That train ride...  I hope someone has found some tape or how about another rider that last trip home.  Has LE looked for witnesses?   

Hope someone knows something about these concerns, but if not we will just need to keep on looking anyway.   Amber must be brought home!

Chi-M









Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 31, 2009, 02:08:39 PM
There was a personal witness report of a body found at a camp ground near water in north county area
back on April 1 2009
Reported at web sleuths.. No news report that I ever found
 It would have had to have DNA testing done..

It is just amazing how many things have happened from San Diego to Escondido in the last 3 months..


I hope the silenece is because ELE has something of value..




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 31, 2009, 02:14:31 PM
An MIA Sandman mission will be on the ground in Escondido, CA, tomorrow to search for Amber Dubois

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/22/amber.dubois/index.html

The team will be led by Cherise Rivera, assisted by Angel, Mike Ruiz and Bernie ('Chartless').

Officers from the Escondido Police Department will also be on site to provide the team with any support that they might require.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 31, 2009, 02:26:11 PM
The above post is relative to Major Ed Dames who teaches Remote Viewing..
I did do a small amount of study on this ... It ranks up there with a Psychic..
They do go out and search there findings and there does appear to be a RV team working a areas of interest to them.

Everyone in the team learns to Focus on "place things and events " The all come back together and compare notes and go out and search areas..

They have  a twitter site running.

http://twitter.com/learnrv

To my knowledge.. The RV teams have found one body in the last 2 years..

Anyways.. I am not holding my breath on this one..
I would like to see them be successful never the less.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 31, 2009, 02:45:55 PM
The above post is relative to Major Ed Dames who teaches Remote Viewing..
I did do a small amount of study on this ... It ranks up there with a Psychic..
They do go out and search there findings and there does appear to be a RV team working a areas of interest to them.

Everyone in the team learns to Focus on "place things and events " The all come back together and compare notes and go out and search areas..

They have  a twitter site running.

http://twitter.com/learnrv

To my knowledge.. The RV teams have found one body in the last 2 years..

Anyways.. I am not holding my breath on this one..
I would like to see them be successful never the less.


Thanks for the explanation of this method. When I saw the link I went there and still didn't get it!
ITA with your last thought, I don't understand whether there just flat out isn't any info to go on, or if there is info which is being held back for stategy or what??  Very frustating to go and search hours trying to eliminate areas, SD county is a huge wilderness in many places that is not  easily accessable to the searchers, who are somewhat dressed and mentally ready for the brush, hills,bugs, snakes,  unexpected marshes, so it seems incredulous that a lazy subhuman killer would be hiking in a couple of miles...............but in the end, I know that for Amber as well as her family, the effort to be confident that she wasn't in the area, regardless how remote the chance, is worth it.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 31, 2009, 02:52:32 PM
Let me quickly edit my last statement re: subhuman killer, I under no circumstances think that that is the only explanation as to Amber's plight. I truly do believe that it's equally possible that she is being held somewhere. My reasoning on that was that, the remote areas would NOT be places that one might be expecting to find her being held.

My heart holds out the hope that she is fighting still and will be reunited with those that anxiously await that moment.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on May 31, 2009, 02:58:56 PM
The above post is relative to Major Ed Dames who teaches Remote Viewing..
I did do a small amount of study on this ... It ranks up there with a Psychic..
They do go out and search there findings and there does appear to be a RV team working a areas of interest to them.

Everyone in the team learns to Focus on "place things and events " The all come back together and compare notes and go out and search areas..

They have  a twitter site running.

http://twitter.com/learnrv

To my knowledge.. The RV teams have found one body in the last 2 years..

Anyways.. I am not holding my breath on this one..
I would like to see them be successful never the less.



Oh Yes, we can hope they are successful.  At least they are looking, and "even a blind pig occasionally finds an acorn".   Isn't it nice that the LE are being so helpful to them.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Directing traffic and all? 

Chi-M









Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 31, 2009, 03:27:23 PM
The above post is relative to Major Ed Dames who teaches Remote Viewing..
I did do a small amount of study on this ... It ranks up there with a Psychic..
They do go out and search there findings and there does appear to be a RV team working a areas of interest to them.

Everyone in the team learns to Focus on "place things and events " The all come back together and compare notes and go out and search areas..

They have  a twitter site running.

http://twitter.com/learnrv

To my knowledge.. The RV teams have found one body in the last 2 years..

Anyways.. I am not holding my breath on this one..
I would like to see them be successful never the less.



Oh Yes, we can hope they are successful.  At least they are looking, and "even a blind pig occasionally finds an acorn".   Isn't it nice that the LE are being so helpful to them.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Directing traffic and all? 

Chi-M







 


    ::MonkeyHaHa::  I'm gonna have to remember that saying!!



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 31, 2009, 03:43:20 PM
The human mind is a very powerful tool and we as humans have very little understanding of it.
The concept of remote viewing was first studied by our own military.
If they wanted to go down the psychic road..
I would have rather that they had just contacted Annette Martin who has a gift and she is not trying to learn how to use it.
Then they would have had both a psychic and a licensed investigator on scene working with police..
Instead we have mom searching on horse back and getting tattoo,s and calling in major ed dames.. who is in fact selling a product and teaching classes in remote viewing which he did for the military. They the military stopped doing it.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 31, 2009, 04:35:10 PM
The human mind is a very powerful tool and we as humans have very little understanding of it.
The concept of remote viewing was first studied by our own military.
If they wanted to go down the psychic road..
I would have rather that they had just contacted Annette Martin who has a gift and she is not trying to learn how to use it.
Then they would have had both a psychic and a licensed investigator on scene working with police..
Instead we have mom searching on horse back and getting tattoo,s and calling in major ed dames.. who is in fact selling a product and teaching classes in remote viewing which he did for the military. They the military stopped doing it.

  I'm in agreement with you. It's hard to reconcile the expense and time involved when the results are not very sure. I suppose desperation and hope justifies any attempts to gain a little traction.  I dunno. Wish there was something, anything, concrete to set a course on.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 31, 2009, 04:56:52 PM
On a positive note..
 ANY search attempt as long as it is recorded on a map is a good thing as it shows the areas Amber is not located at..
The more areas searched the better.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 31, 2009, 05:26:41 PM
On a positive note..
 ANY search attempt as long as it is recorded on a map is a good thing as it shows the areas Amber is not located at..
The more areas searched the better.

 After yesterday, I'll take comfort in that one positive note but like I said, SD is huge and very rough searching, too bad there's not some pinpoint, up to date mapping etc. ????  , maybe all the "logical" areas have already been done for all I know and it's just widening in larger and larger circles.  Anyhow, grid by grid.........


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 31, 2009, 05:28:10 PM
Were you not able to see a search map before you went out ?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 31, 2009, 05:43:15 PM
Were you not able to see a search map before you went out ?

The team leader had it, but once I did see it, I knew it was outdated. it was an area that I was familar with. Within the last 2 yrs the area has been built up , new streets. Still, even with that, very hard terrain.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 31, 2009, 05:47:56 PM
interesting..

thank you


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on May 31, 2009, 05:54:38 PM
From what I understand, the now current thinking on perps and their methods, is that the notion of say a "comfort zone" is somewhat old school thinking, in other words, a criminal wouldn't necessarily stay in any one usual area, could be that he'd just drive anywhere.  My head says, for his own safety and security the crime would be closer to the known haunts, closer to known nooks and crannies but hey, I guess if the person lived in one part of the county and worked in another, he'd be just as familiar with both areas.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 31, 2009, 11:24:06 PM
I have walked with a few teams.. I know what you are talking about.

Perpetrators of crimes come in many different thought patterns.

People can believe what ever they want, but from my experience it has a lot to do with the perpetrators IQ and age level as well as other factors like race and cultural beliefs..   

Since you have no clue Who took Amber or Why, then it is All guess work... Anyplace is one very large area.

jmho


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: klaasend on May 31, 2009, 11:31:18 PM
Edward - I'm wondering if I move Amber's thread to the "high profile" area it might get more people involved.  What do you think?  You make the call. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on May 31, 2009, 11:56:09 PM
It is a high profile case for me.... So I would say yes.
 
Amber's Aunt and Grandmother have come here for Help in research.
One thing that this family needs is Awareness and a High Profile position at Scared Monkeys is a wonderful thing.

Thank you Klassend.

I hope they find Amber soon.
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 01, 2009, 12:05:39 AM
I am anxiuosly awaiting an update from AG on her trip. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: klaasend on June 01, 2009, 12:23:12 AM
We have been moved to the MP High Profile area in a forum specifically for Amber.  That way we can have separate threads for info/photos/maps, etc.

Hope this helps with the research and locating Amber.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: klaasend on June 01, 2009, 12:25:12 AM
Ampersand - I see you lurking.  We decided to move this thread to it's own area so it is more visible.  This will also allow for separate threads within the Amber Dubois forum and a more organized research area.

Hope it helps.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on June 01, 2009, 12:37:04 AM
The human mind is a very powerful tool and we as humans have very little understanding of it.
The concept of remote viewing was first studied by our own military.
If they wanted to go down the psychic road..
I would have rather that they had just contacted Annette Martin who has a gift and she is not trying to learn how to use it.
Then they would have had both a psychic and a licensed investigator on scene working with police..
Instead we have mom searching on horse back and getting tattoo,s and calling in major ed dames.. who is in fact selling a product and teaching classes in remote viewing which he did for the military. They the military stopped doing it.


"Judge lest not ye be judged" -

Please do educate us all as to how a mother copes when her child had vanished - we apparently never got a copy of the manual.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on June 01, 2009, 12:42:02 AM
Ampersand - I see you lurking.  We decided to move this thread to it's own area so it is more visible.  This will also allow for separate threads within the Amber Dubois forum and a more organized research area.

Hope it helps.

I don't 'lurk' - I read slowly, thanks.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: klaasend on June 01, 2009, 12:46:51 AM
I'm sorry, poor choice of words, should have said "I see you up there". 

Anyway, I hope moving this thread will get more people interrested in the case.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 01, 2009, 12:55:32 AM
Ampersand is everything ok? How did the weekend search go?

Klaasand thanks for moving this up here, I am sure it will make everything easier.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on June 01, 2009, 01:03:55 AM
Ampersand is everything ok? How did the weekend search go?

Klaasand thanks for moving this up here, I am sure it will make everything easier.

Klaas - thank you for something I never in my life wanted to see - my dear niece as a missing child - all cases should be high profile.

TG - nothing has been "okay" since Amber disappeared - we'll post any search news as it becomes available - thank you for your continued support. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on June 01, 2009, 01:08:07 AM
I am anxiuosly awaiting an update from AG on her trip. 

I spent the better part of the day (5/31) mending Mom's (AG) computer woes.  She hasn't been able to access the internet et al for a few days - very frustrating - as you can image.  At least computer problems are easily solved.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 01, 2009, 01:10:42 AM
Ampersand know that we are all here to help in anyway we can and that we are also here because we are passionate about children and seeing them brought home.

My prayers have been with Amber, you and your family each night and will continue until Amber is back home.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 01, 2009, 01:11:37 AM
Ampersand is everything ok? How did the weekend search go?

Klaasand thanks for moving this up here, I am sure it will make everything easier.

Klaas - thank you for something I never in my life wanted to see - my dear niece as a missing child - all cases should be high profile.

TG - nothing has been "okay" since Amber disappeared - we'll post any search news as it becomes available - thank you for your continued support. ::MonkeyAngel::

I will  never know exactly what you are feeling and what your family must be going through but I too have nieces  who I love so much. They are a part of me, as Amber is a part of you. I am so sorry for yours and your families pain. My heart goes out to you as it does to all of the families with lost children and loved ones. I don't know why our society does not see the importance in trying to find the lost, they instead choose to ignore it and move on. We will not ignore Amber and we will do what we can to help in finding her and I always will support you.

((((((((Hugs))))))))) to you tonight, I can feel from your words you are hurting. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 01, 2009, 02:18:09 AM
The human mind is a very powerful tool and we as humans have very little understanding of it.
The concept of remote viewing was first studied by our own military.
If they wanted to go down the psychic road..
I would have rather that they had just contacted Annette Martin who has a gift and she is not trying to learn how to use it.
Then they would have had both a psychic and a licensed investigator on scene working with police..
Instead we have mom searching on horse back and getting tattoo,s and calling in major ed dames.. who is in fact selling a product and teaching classes in remote viewing which he did for the military. They the military stopped doing it.


"Judge lest not ye be judged" -

Please do educate us all as to how a mother copes when her child had vanished - we apparently never got a copy of the manual.

I apologize.
All People deal with Life Altering Stress in many different ways.. None of them are to be judged by others.. including myself.

Professionals have in fact been down this road before.They have responsibility to lead this investigation and its resulting searches in a professional manner. Time is of the essence.
F.B.I. and ELE should be providing the search teams and the family should be able to be there and assist. It should not be left on the families shoulders who are under unbelievable stress to organize and perform searches.
All families seem to be on there own to find answers while we spend huge amounts of tax dollars on the best equipment and hire the best people possible to be law enforcement from a federal level to a community level, yet families are left on there own to  find there missing loved ones.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on June 01, 2009, 02:52:35 AM
Ambersand and AG, I too apologize for my rather insensitive posts and blunt questions.  Tact has never been my best quality, but I will try harder.  I would never want to cause you any more pain.   Sorry.

Chi-M     


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 01, 2009, 12:26:52 PM
has the F.B.I. or anyone compared the F.B.I. wanted poster for the 2 perps in the san bernadino kidnap case to the walmart molester ?
 I know we have a link here for f.b.i. wanted posters.
I should have just saved it.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: califmom on June 01, 2009, 01:34:10 PM

Sorry I don't have anything to add, but was just checking in to see if there is anything new with the search for Amber.   

It saddens me that there is nothing about Amber and other missing children on the local and national news   I remember when Amber first went missing, NG was really the only person all over it and then silence...   

I feel that the local and national news channels should spend some time during their broadcasts showing a picture of a missing child or two every single night.  Thank God for the Scared Monkeys forum or else I wouldn't know about all of these missing children and the number of  awesome "armchair detectives" (as the media puts it) in helping to find these children.   

 ::MonkeyAngel:: My prayers and thoughts are with Amber and her family.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 01, 2009, 04:12:25 PM
This is more than likely not related at all.  Has anyone looked at this person - Noel Buchan to see if he resembles the Walmart images?  Only reason I bring it up is that Noel also pulled up on his victims in a full sized maroon pick-up.

http://www.lapdonline.org/february_2002/news_view/22355



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 01, 2009, 04:19:18 PM
BCSO Nab Man for Aggravated Assault Save Email Print
 
 
Posted: 2:09 PM May 22, 2009
Last Updated: 2:09 PM May 22, 2009

Bay County Sheriff’s Office responded to a call on May 13, in reference to a juvenile being held at gunpoint. Vehicles involved were a maroon Dodge Ram and a grey Cadillac. Neither vehicle was still at the scene when the deputy arrived.

Contact was made with the victims at the 2000 block of Allison Avenue, three juvenile males, who identified the driver of the maroon Dodge Ram as Deavon Taylor Whitehouse.

The witnesses stated that as they were walking home Whitehouse stopped his truck and took out a handgun. The three ran and hid until deputies arrived.

One of the victims stated to investigators he had a history with Whitehouse and that Whitehouse had previously threatened to kill him with a handgun. Further investigation indicated that Whitehouse may be involved with the gang Crazy White Boys.

Bay County Sheriff’s Office deputies located Whitehouse Thursday night on Panama City Beach.

Whitehouse, of 208-A 2nd Street, Panama City Beach, was arrested and charged with Aggravated Assault.

 
http://www.wjhg.com/home/headlines/45859612.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on June 01, 2009, 04:25:45 PM
Ampersand - I see you lurking.  We decided to move this thread to it's own area so it is more visible.  This will also allow for separate threads within the Amber Dubois forum and a more organized research area.

Hope it helps.
Thank you for the move.  But, really, I would like to know WHY SM has not approved the application of my daughter, Carrie, Amber's Mom to participate in this site?  She made the request BEFORE I left for Escondido on Thursday. Perhaps she wants to explain why she rode a horse to look for her child...after all, it only took our stable owner 3 hours to bring down the horses from here in Paramount, finding a place to board and feed them overnight, and then to search in areas that volunteers could not reach by foot.  If the LE has mounted horse volunteers, they did not volunteer!  We, the family did it.  We, the family do the weekend searches.  Carrie, herself, much to my personal fears for her safety, went to Tijuana to speak personally with the police. Carrie, herself, just went to the Indian Reservation to speak to representatives there.  Carrie, herself, is training a search dog so that she can help when others lose a child.  Personally, I loathe tats, but if she wants to put one on for Amber, what bloody business is it for anyone to criticize her pain manifested in that manner.

 Do I appreciate SM, yes.  Do I appreciate persons who DO NOT BOTHER to read the history of the events...even those on THIS website, using their comments just because they can...no. I respect their First Amendment rights to free speech, and, recognize that they are uninformed and clearly do not want to take their time to be otherwise.  Anyone in our circumstance is contacted by persons who feel they have extraordinary gifts..some of whom are..monkeys. We respect everyone's genuine efforts to help us.  GM


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: klaasend on June 01, 2009, 04:49:47 PM
Ampersand - I see you lurking.  We decided to move this thread to it's own area so it is more visible.  This will also allow for separate threads within the Amber Dubois forum and a more organized research area.

Hope it helps.
Thank you for the move.  But, really, I would like to know WHY SM has not approved the application of my daughter, Carrie, Amber's Mom to participate in this site?  She made the request BEFORE I left for Escondido on Thursday. Perhaps she wants to explain why she rode a horse to look for her child...after all, it only took our stable owner 3 hours to bring down the horses from here in Paramount, finding a place to board and feed them overnight, and then to search in areas that volunteers could not reach by foot.  If the LE has mounted horse volunteers, they did not volunteer!  We, the family did it.  We, the family do the weekend searches.  Carrie, herself, much to my personal fears for her safety, went to Tijuana to speak personally with the police. Carrie, herself, just went to the Indian Reservation to speak to representatives there.  Carrie, herself, is training a search dog so that she can help when others lose a child.  Personally, I loathe tats, but if she wants to put one on for Amber, what bloody business is it for anyone to criticize her pain manifested in that manner.

 Do I appreciate SM, yes.  Do I appreciate persons who DO NOT BOTHER to read the history of the events...even those on THIS website, using their comments just because they can...no. I respect their First Amendment rights to free speech, and, recognize that they are uninformed and clearly do not want to take their time to be otherwise.  Anyone in our circumstance is contacted by persons who feel they have extraordinary gifts..some of whom are..monkeys. We respect everyone's genuine efforts to help us.  GM

I just received an email today and approved her as soon as I got it.  We have many waiting to be approved and I don't approve new members often.  The first email I received from Carrie was today and I approved her immediately upon receipt.  Sorry for the delay.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 01, 2009, 04:52:44 PM
I am posting this link again as it has a good comparison of the Walmart truck and the bus depot truck.  Here are enlarged images of the Walmart truck as well as the Walmart suspect.

http://www.cbs8.com/global/category.asp?c=155799&clipId=&topVideoCatNo=149659&topVideoCatNoB=155712&topVideoCatNoC=155713&topVideoCatNoD=155710&topVideoCatNoE=155711&clipId=3797327&topVideoCatNo=149659&autoStart=true



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on June 01, 2009, 05:05:10 PM


My great admiration for Carrie for the way she has conducted herself, including the horseback search and dog training may not have been clear.  That the family has had to do this instead of LE is the only criticism.  I have said that this family is doing the best job of searching and keeping the focus on Amber that I have seen.   Psychics and any other group which will expend time and effort should be encouraged.   Whether or not I have personal faith in them is not relevant, they are searching and keeping up the visibility.  They are as likely to have the breakthrough idea as anyone else.    Good luck...   Chi-M


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 01, 2009, 05:25:58 PM
More observations from Walmart video.  Suspect has a very small goatee, possibly a tattoo on his right upper arm just below peaking just below the sleeve line.  His shoes glint when he walks through the video.  Pattent leather dress shoes?  Who wears dress shows with a T-shirt and jeans unless it was someone who changed from a suit or uniform and did not bring another pair of shoes?  Watch his feet in the video and see how they reflect light. 



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on June 01, 2009, 06:52:32 PM
Northern Rose, I looked and looked and looked again at that video.  Thank you for reposting and also capturing some screenshots.  Looking at the shoes, it looks to me like they're something similar to these.  Black sneakers with white or reflective part on the heel.  He seems tall but the video is poor quality or my screen is. I can't seem to get over the similarities in the truck and the last person witnesses saw Amber walking with.  I sure wish they would figure out who this guy is and rule him out. 

I searched and searched for information on Noel Buchan, to no avail.  Not that I thought I could find anything if you couldn't.  I also was interested in the similarities in his MO.  Certainly he is still in jail?  As I have learned from reading a lot more in the news lately these SO's sure seem to run in the same crowds, so who knows.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 01, 2009, 07:17:21 PM
Northern Rose, I looked and looked and looked again at that video.  Thank you for reposting and also capturing some screenshots.  Looking at the shoes, it looks to me like they're something similar to these.  Black sneakers with white or reflective part on the heel.  He seems tall but the video is poor quality or my screen is. I can't seem to get over the similarities in the truck and the last person witnesses saw Amber walking with.  I sure wish they would figure out who this guy is and rule him out. 

I searched and searched for information on Noel Buchan, to no avail.  Not that I thought I could find anything if you couldn't.  I also was interested in the similarities in his MO.  Certainly he is still in jail?  As I have learned from reading a lot more in the news lately these SO's sure seem to run in the same crowds, so who knows.

Could be those types of shoes.  I rewatched the video over and over and saw the heals mostly reflect.  That makes more sense than what I first thought.  Great catch!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: klaasend on June 01, 2009, 08:40:40 PM
Ampersand - I see you lurking.  We decided to move this thread to it's own area so it is more visible.  This will also allow for separate threads within the Amber Dubois forum and a more organized research area.

Hope it helps.
Thank you for the move.  But, really, I would like to know WHY SM has not approved the application of my daughter, Carrie, Amber's Mom to participate in this site?  She made the request BEFORE I left for Escondido on Thursday. Perhaps she wants to explain why she rode a horse to look for her child...after all, it only took our stable owner 3 hours to bring down the horses from here in Paramount, finding a place to board and feed them overnight, and then to search in areas that volunteers could not reach by foot.  If the LE has mounted horse volunteers, they did not volunteer!  We, the family did it.  We, the family do the weekend searches.  Carrie, herself, much to my personal fears for her safety, went to Tijuana to speak personally with the police. Carrie, herself, just went to the Indian Reservation to speak to representatives there.  Carrie, herself, is training a search dog so that she can help when others lose a child.  Personally, I loathe tats, but if she wants to put one on for Amber, what bloody business is it for anyone to criticize her pain manifested in that manner.

 Do I appreciate SM, yes.  Do I appreciate persons who DO NOT BOTHER to read the history of the events...even those on THIS website, using their comments just because they can...no. I respect their First Amendment rights to free speech, and, recognize that they are uninformed and clearly do not want to take their time to be otherwise.  Anyone in our circumstance is contacted by persons who feel they have extraordinary gifts..some of whom are..monkeys. We respect everyone's genuine efforts to help us.  GM

I just received an email today and approved her as soon as I got it.  We have many waiting to be approved and I don't approve new members often.  The first email I received from Carrie was today and I approved her immediately upon receipt.  Sorry for the delay.

I just double checked something and the person that I approved today was not AmbersMom.  AmbersMom was actually approved to post on May 27, 2009.  I don't see where she ever emailed me about being approved yet she was still approved.  Her nickname at SM is AmbersMom and you can check her name and see when she registered. 

I just wanted to clear that up.  I try to respond to all emails I receive.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 01, 2009, 08:43:07 PM
Here is a better capture of the back/underside of his shoe.  It does look like the reflective part.  Also notice on this side capture he has sideburns that come down to his jaw line and meet up at the twisty goatee he has.  Not sure what this style of shave is called but it looks pretty clear on this capture.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 01, 2009, 08:45:21 PM
So sorry, I forgot to crop that last image that shows his side profile.  Here it is again.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 01, 2009, 08:45:53 PM
Any possible link ?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 01, 2009, 08:50:04 PM
surveillance video from hardware store before the kidnap of the 3 year old boy.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 01, 2009, 08:52:27 PM
The F.B.I. does in fact have Amber on there kidnapped missing persons page.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/kidmiss.htm


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on June 01, 2009, 08:58:17 PM
Northern Rose:  Noel Buchan is incarcarated.

http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?zoomAction=Box&zoomAction=clickcenter&zoomAction=clickoffender&lastName=Buchan&firstName=Noel&Address=&City=&zipcode=&searchDistance=.75&City2=&countyLocation=&zipcode2=&SelectCounty=&ParkName=&searchDistance2=.75&City3=&zipcode3=&countyLocation3=&schoolName=&searchDistance3=.75&City4=&zipcode4=&countyLocation4=&refineID=&pan=&distacross=107211&centerlat=38409907&centerlon=-121514242&starlat=&starlon=&startext=&x1=&y1=&x2=&y2=&mapwidth=525&mapheight=400&zoom=&searchBy=namelist&id=&docountycitylist=2&OFDTYPE=&lang=ENGLISH


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 01, 2009, 09:03:14 PM
Here is the side by side. 

My observations are that Walmart suspect:
has redish hair (easily changable with dye)
Is stockier
Walks with a straighter back

I do not think these are the same person, JMO


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 01, 2009, 09:05:47 PM
Northern Rose:  Noel Buchan is incarcarated.

http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?zoomAction=Box&zoomAction=clickcenter&zoomAction=clickoffender&lastName=Buchan&firstName=Noel&Address=&City=&zipcode=&searchDistance=.75&City2=&countyLocation=&zipcode2=&SelectCounty=&ParkName=&searchDistance2=.75&City3=&zipcode3=&countyLocation3=&schoolName=&searchDistance3=.75&City4=&zipcode4=&countyLocation4=&refineID=&pan=&distacross=107211&centerlat=38409907&centerlon=-121514242&starlat=&starlon=&startext=&x1=&y1=&x2=&y2=&mapwidth=525&mapheight=400&zoom=&searchBy=namelist&id=&docountycitylist=2&OFDTYPE=&lang=ENGLISH

Good searching Lovin.  Glad to know we can count him out.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on June 01, 2009, 09:07:24 PM
Any possible link ?
I wish that we knew more of the details on the Briant Rodrguez kidnapping (hint, hint).  I'm just not seeing the simialrities in this and the walmart guy like I did with the sketches. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on June 01, 2009, 09:10:33 PM
Northern Rose:  Noel Buchan is incarcarated.

Good searching Lovin.  Glad to know we can count him out.
You're the one that caught the corrilation with the burgandy truck!

I would be interested in seeing who he ran around with...and what they've been up to since 2/13/09 or before.

Canada needs to get the SO registers website like we have here!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on June 01, 2009, 09:12:48 PM
Northern Rose:  Noel Buchan is incarcarated.
Good searching Lovin.  Glad to know we can count him out.
You're the one that caught the corrilation with the burgandy truck!

I would be interested in seeing who he ran around with...and what they've been up to since 2/13/09 or before.

Canada needs to get the SO registers website like we have here!
SORRY for getting inside your quotestack! ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 01, 2009, 09:16:26 PM
I know Modesto is about 6 hours north, but this attempted kidnapping has not been solved yet.  Have police been given this?  It is easy to replace the pickup with a newer one.

WANTED FOR QUESTIONING
 
On Wednesday June 4, 2008 between 8-9am the Suspect (pictured at left) approached a 12 year old female elementary student on her way to school.  Drove up to the victim, grabbed her hair, and attempted to pull her into his vehicle.  The Victim fought off her attacker, and the suspect fled the scene in a older model mini truck extended cab, long bed, dark blue in color.  Suspect is described as a White or Hispanic male, in his 50's with dark brown or black thinning hair and a dark goatee.  Any information on this case please contact Modesto Police Detective Steven Stanfield @ 209-572-9538 or Crime Stoppers (24 hrs). 




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 01, 2009, 09:25:06 PM
I am looking north for any crimes involving a maroon/burgandy pickup and have also found this one in Modesto:

BURGLARY

On 01/12/2008 around 12:01 am the business (Sears Roebuck) at 860 N. Yosemite Av in Oakdale was burglarized.  Two unknown males were captured on video during the crime.  Oakdale PD is attempting to locate and identify the person seen here.  The suspects' vehicle, an unknown model Burgundy Chevy or Ford truck, can be seen curbside in the background.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on June 01, 2009, 10:16:43 PM
going back through some old articles I have not read. 

snip

Saturday, Feb. 14: Amber's cell phone is turned on for less than 30 seconds and pings off a cell phone tower in North Escondido. Whoever turned it on tried to access voicemail but was unsuccessful because the password had already been reset.

"The person dialed #86 to attempt to reach voicemail, couldn't get through and then they turned off the phone immediately," Amber's father Maurice Dubois said.

Police flood the neighborhood near the cell phone tower  with reverse 911 calls, but fail to locate Amber

now how can they not know which cell phone tower if they know which neighborhood it is? maybe I am confused about what they are actually meaning ?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on June 02, 2009, 12:18:12 PM
http://www.kirotv.com/news/19628136/detail.html

holding my breath again . . . this is all just so sad


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on June 02, 2009, 12:45:24 PM
http://www.kirotv.com/news/19628136/detail.html

holding my breath again . . . this is all just so sad
Sending you strenth and love.  I agree, so sad.  I only can imagine the saddness and pain that you are feeling. 

{{{hugs}}} Lovinlife


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 02, 2009, 12:54:33 PM
http://www.kirotv.com/news/19628136/detail.html

holding my breath again . . . this is all just so sad
Sending you strenth and love.  I agree, so sad.  I only can imagine the saddness and pain that you are feeling. 

{{{hugs}}} Lovinlife

Here is the info on the missing girl from that area..

http://www.co.thurston.wa.us/sheriff/hp-docs/missing-persons/MPB-Kylie-Ellis-08-8614.pdf

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78265



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 02, 2009, 01:19:03 PM
http://www.kirotv.com/news/19628136/detail.html

holding my breath again . . . this is all just so sad

Sending strength and support as well.  ((((((((((hugs)))))))))))))


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 02, 2009, 01:41:01 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel:: Prayers to you while we wait. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 02, 2009, 04:02:34 PM
This is about the attempted kidnap of a woman in Redondo beach mentioned by Ampersand..
 I have done some research on this and the suspects in this case are also suspects in a murder of a 28 year old woman who worked in Redondo beach and her body was found in the san bernadino mountains..
Here are the various links I used to trace down this information..
My point is the distance the perp was willing to travel to dispose of a body..

Body found but no name yet..
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/02/remains-found.html

Body identified..
http://content.usatoday.net/dist/custom/gci/InsidePage.aspx?cId=visaliatimesdelta&sParam=30192215.story

Following up on Cori Desmond
Please read all user comments from people that knew her..
http://www.insidesocal.com/crime&courts/2009/02/following-up-on-Cori-Desmond.html

The possible perp/s  mentioned are the 2 characters in the white Chevy van with a sliding door who tried to abduct a woman on January 3 of 2009..
She did get away was was able to make a description of characters in a drawing..
See him at this link ..
http://cbs2.com/local/redondo.beach.attempted.2.954812.html

REDONDO BEACH, Calif. (KABC) -- The body of 28-year-old Cori Desmond from Torrance was found Monday in Running Springs. A day later, her car was found nearly 100 miles away in Redondo Beach.
Cori disappeared early Sunday morning. She had been out Saturday night, last seen at the BAC Street Lounge in Redondo Beach. She reportedly left the bar around 2:30 a.m. Sunday

Her dad speaks..
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/inland_empire&id=6662515

Very sad..

100 miles out..
100 miles out from Escondido is one very large area..

I pray that Amber is alive and found soon. Her mom is very amazing for all the places she has been to search for information and to put the word out on her daughter Amber.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 02, 2009, 05:29:23 PM
Redondo Beach to the destination of running springs goes right through San Bernadino where the little 3 year old boy was kidnapped from.
1 hour and 30 minutes.
Then He/They returns her vehicle to Redondo beach.

Like He/They have business in San Bernadino and He/They reside in Redondo beach.

http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4GGIC_enUS317US317&q=map%20%20marker%2038%20in%20running%20springs&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wl

10 miles further then San Bernadino to Running Springs..

same guys ?
2 guys at the attempted abduction in redondo beach
 and 2 guys at the kidnap of the boy..

Patterns
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: califmom on June 02, 2009, 05:48:01 PM
http://www.kirotv.com/news/19628136/detail.html

holding my breath again . . . this is all just so sad



Sending prayers and hugs.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: ChiChi on June 03, 2009, 01:33:11 AM
I posed the question to the public library regarding ideas as to where to find certain info regarding the basements.  This nice library worker did some research.  Looks like that is not something that really is a possibility, but at lease we KNOW that now.

Dear Chi Chi,

It is highly unlikely that any houses on Paradise St or Fire Mountain have legal basements since the oldest house there was built in 1980.  I checked www.zillow.com - a real estate website - and using the aerial view there, few of the houses on the flat appear high enough to be anything more than slabs.  If you drive by it looking, note that it would take at least three front steps to raise it the 18 inches off the ground you'd need for a wooden floor above dirt or the 24 or so inches you'd need for a legal emergency exit. 

Some psychotic person could still dig something like a bomb shelter under one of them, but the city would never be told about it.

So, that leaves the possibility of one of the homes on the south end where there's a slope.  Those were built pretty much since 2002 and again, that's an extremely unlikely feature to put into a home in Escondido.  What I do see are split level homes and it is possible that one of those has an upper wood floor that someone has crawled under and dug a hiding place.  Again, that would not be something you'd want to tell the city about or even a realtor since it would not be permitted.

If you're hearing a rumor though that there is a permitted basement on that street you can probably call the city to get better information.  I was able to pull up only 13 building permits through the City Clerk's Questys system.  Only 1822 was for a room addition and although it showed that the foundation was inspected, it did NOT say what type of foundation it had despite having a place to mark just that.  1815 and 1822 also had pool permits which would allow either homeowner to dispose of large amounts of dirt without drawing suspicion, but look at google earth, there are quite a few houses with pools so those building permits just are not accessible to me on this system.

Zillow also has a place to mark if a house has a basement and none of the places I checked that seemed likely to have them had basement checked.

Personally, I'd be surprised that if Amber walked to where she's held captive the police dogs wouldn't have found her, and Paradise St is so close to EHS I'm sure those houses were checked first.  I do hope they find her soon.

David
Escondido Public Library


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on June 03, 2009, 02:09:05 AM

  Nice job CHI CHI.  That was really nice of the library guy also.      :thumright:


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 03, 2009, 01:27:55 PM
Redondo Beach to the destination of running springs goes right through San Bernadino where the little 3 year old boy was kidnapped from.
1 hour and 30 minutes.
Then He/They returns her vehicle to Redondo beach.

Like He/They have business in San Bernadino and He/They reside in Redondo beach.

http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4GGIC_enUS317US317&q=map%20%20marker%2038%20in%20running%20springs&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wl

10 miles further then San Bernadino to Running Springs..

same guys ?
2 guys at the attempted abduction in redondo beach
 and 2 guys at the kidnap of the boy..

Patterns
 


The white van ..

The only reason I did this research on Redondo beach is because the white van is mentioned in a attempted abduction in ESCANDIDO.
The girl ran to a school to get away..
Was it true or a lie ? Did it happen or did it not ? What school ? Did not happen to be the one on vista drive did it ?

Also, the cell phone being used, police searching for 911 calls..
Did they go door to door in the area of the cell phone, why is that area a secret? why was it not put in the news media so people that live in that area could think back early?
 searchers needed to go door to door and hand out flyer's about the red/maroon truck in the area of the cell phone.
  did anyone pass out flyer's ???

Also ... the white car.
This car is seen in the video that shows the red truck backing up and then going forward,
The person in the white car is your ONLY witness to the driver of the red truck...

=====================================================================

This forum has no ability to edit your post.. If while trying to write something, a mistake is made and you leave out a couple of sentences while trying to make a point or something clear or I do not like the way I wrote something, and I hit the post button, I have no ability to edit that post.
Again I apologise for a post made the other day...
That is all I can do..

Working with family members is a difficult thing as we have to be very careful what we say and how we say it. Hearts are involved and the utmost care must be taken into consideration when wording something.

I really do appreciate Ampersand and Amber's grandmother coming here to read our research.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on June 03, 2009, 01:40:36 PM
Edward...I'm following your valid points clearly.   Since I'm geographically illiterate and from a different part of the US it is difficult for me sometimes to follow the corrilation, my burden to bear.  I still can't get over the similarities in the sketches.  Still too many unanswered questions, imo.  Keep it coming and don't worry about the errors, I don't even notice them. ;)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: klaasend on June 03, 2009, 01:43:39 PM
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/dubois_a.htm

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/AmberFBI1.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: klaasend on June 03, 2009, 01:45:36 PM
I created a new thread for the FBI poster and also for other photos and maps.  Just thought it would be nice to have a separate area to place that stuff.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 03, 2009, 02:27:53 PM
Thanks klassend, you are a wonderful person.

4 months is almost here, still no answer for this family. I know it is very depressing for them and it is eating me alive.
I will be in there area in 2 weeks.. I still have no specific area mapped out, There is no true direction except north because of the cell phone, so I will search the north areas I have mentioned in this thread Unless something comes up in the meantime. Which of course I hope they find her alive and well. If not I will do what I can.

I just have to keep doing research and I ask all of you to do the same.. Keep writing to the news media people to increase awarness.

 I believe in patterns of behavior and I also believe that the wide majority of people deseased by evil are found are within 100 yards of a path or road as most people that do these murders are lazy in the disposal.
If it is water well that is a different story.

I would be extremely happy to hear she was alive and living some place safe and sound.
It would be a typical 14 year old thing to do..  Under all of Gods rules that is forgiven ..
So I will pray for that.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on June 03, 2009, 06:03:49 PM

Ok, the basement question has been answered by Library Guy.  Thanks. 

My finding agrees with his.  Only approximately 3% of Escondido houses have basements, but those that do should be an a minimum 18" above ground level, include windows that will open and have a window well if needed to open.  An outside exit door in addition to an the interior door is required.   Some of these visible signs might be noticed while on a walk in a neighborhood. 

http://www.escondido.org/depts/cd/building/guidelines/5.pdf



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on June 03, 2009, 06:33:22 PM

I just double checked something and the person that I approved today was not AmbersMom.  AmbersMom was actually approved to post on May 27, 2009.  I don't see where she ever emailed me about being approved yet she was still approved.  Her nickname at SM is AmbersMom and you can check her name and see when she registered. 

I just wanted to clear that up.  I try to respond to all emails I receive.

Thank you for the approval klaasend. I have been waiting about a month to join in the discussion and search for Amber. Sorry for the confusion.

To all other monkeys,
I have been reading this forum since day 1 and continue everyday. I live only a city away from the location Amber went missing, so if there is anything I can go that others can not because of distance, please let me know. I am a teacher and now that school is almost out, I have decided to devote the entire summer to working on finding Amber. I am also working on getting Amber featured on Greta Van Susteren. A family friend is a well known detective that is contracted to FOX News. I am working on getting into contact with him.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 03, 2009, 06:46:02 PM
Welcome to Scared Monkeys ctmacla


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 03, 2009, 06:50:29 PM
chi-monkey that is some good info.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on June 03, 2009, 07:06:10 PM
Light Amber's way home:
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Amber

Amber's Website:
www.bringamberhome.com




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on June 03, 2009, 07:07:37 PM
Welcome to Scared Monkeys ctmacla
Yes, welcome to SM, ctmacla!  We're glad that you are here.  Pull up a vine...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 03, 2009, 07:17:33 PM
Welcome to Scared Monkeys ctmacla
Yes, welcome to SM, ctmacla!  We're glad that you are here.  Pull up a vine...

Remember, We like you..  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJpY-F52rMA


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 03, 2009, 07:23:49 PM
ctymacla..
what is your perspective on the situation. What have you herd ?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 03, 2009, 07:56:56 PM

I just double checked something and the person that I approved today was not AmbersMom.  AmbersMom was actually approved to post on May 27, 2009.  I don't see where she ever emailed me about being approved yet she was still approved.  Her nickname at SM is AmbersMom and you can check her name and see when she registered. 

I just wanted to clear that up.  I try to respond to all emails I receive.

Thank you for the approval klaasend. I have been waiting about a month to join in the discussion and search for Amber. Sorry for the confusion.

To all other monkeys,
I have been reading this forum since day 1 and continue everyday. I live only a city away from the location Amber went missing, so if there is anything I can go that others can not because of distance, please let me know. I am a teacher and now that school is almost out, I have decided to devote the entire summer to working on finding Amber. I am also working on getting Amber featured on Greta Van Susteren. A family friend is a well known detective that is contracted to FOX News. I am working on getting into contact with him.

Hi, welcome! Glad you have you join us! We will find Amber and bring her home!
Please, I ditto Edwards question and add did you know Amber?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on June 04, 2009, 12:36:19 AM
I did not know Amber. I briefly saw it one the news and did not feel right sitting back without trying to help. Other than teaching, I also have a degree in psychology and hope that might help.
I agree with everyone that other then the video of the truck and the ping off the cell tower, they aren't many other leads. Would Verizon corporate be able to identify what tower is the "north county tower?"
Edward- I do not get a good feel from Willie Kendall Williams. Do we have any pictures of him? Also, does anyone have the ability to check genealogy records? If so, can we find out the name of his parents? I found images online a gentle from San Diego by the name of Willie Williams posted online of his family, including his son. He looks about the same age.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 04, 2009, 12:56:36 AM
I know what you mean about not being able to sit back  and not do anything, been there done that.

Please refreash my memory on Willie Kendel Williams.

You know who I want to know who it is, the person walking behind Amber. According the flier she slowed her pace down, that is strange. It is said he had a backpack on, maybe to look like a student I would assume if he does have a hand in this. I happen to think there is more then one person, one to lure and one that is in a car/truck.

Has anyone posted a time line of events? If so, would you mind bumping it?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: ChiChi on June 04, 2009, 01:08:24 AM

  Nice job CHI CHI.  That was really nice of the library guy also.      :thumright:

yea, he was awesome.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: canadianmonkey on June 04, 2009, 10:53:38 AM
http://www.kirotv.com/news/19628136/detail.html

holding my breath again . . . this is all just so sad
Sending you strenth and love.  I agree, so sad.  I only can imagine the saddness and pain that you are feeling. 

{{{hugs}}} Lovinlife

Here is the info on the missing girl from that area..

http://www.co.thurston.wa.us/sheriff/hp-docs/missing-persons/MPB-Kylie-Ellis-08-8614.pdf

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78265



The Thurston County coroner has identified a body found Monday at a hydroelectric plant just outside Yelm as Kylie Michelle Ellis, 12, who went missing from Yelm in December.

Thurston County Sheriff’s Sgt. Cheryl Stines said Wednesday that Ellis’ body shows no outward signs of foul play, but her office has to wait until an autopsy determines the cause and manner of her death.


The Thurston County coroner’s office said Ellis’ body was identified through dental records. Her autopsy is scheduled for today.


A worker with the Centralia City Light Yelm Hydroelectric Project at 14024 Yelm Highway S.E. discovered the body at about 9 a.m. Monday. It was in a bin that collects debris automatically sifted from the canal that feeds the plant. The bin is checked daily.


After Ellis disappeared last year, investigators found a note thought to have been written by her and other belongings left near a bridge above the Central Power Canal in the Yelm area, Stines said. The Central Power Canal empties into the hydroelectric facility where the girl’s body was found.


After Ellis’ disappearance, divers with the Thurston County Sheriff’s Office searched the canal but could not find the girl. At the time, officials with the Sheriff’s Office said that Ellis might have run away.


Jeremy Pawloski 360-754-5465


jpawloski@theolympian.com.

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/870865.html





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2009, 11:39:33 AM
I did not know Amber. I briefly saw it one the news and did not feel right sitting back without trying to help. Other than teaching, I also have a degree in psychology and hope that might help.
I agree with everyone that other then the video of the truck and the ping off the cell tower, they aren't many other leads. Would Verizon corporate be able to identify what tower is the "north county tower?"
Edward- I do not get a good feel from Willie Kendall Williams. Do we have any pictures of him? Also, does anyone have the ability to check genealogy records? If so, can we find out the name of his parents? I found images online a gentle from San Diego by the name of Willie Williams posted online of his family, including his son. He looks about the same age.


Arrest made in alleged sexual assault in El Cajon
UNION-TRIBUNE 8:55 p.m. March 2, 2009

EL CAJON – A 27-year-old man was arrested Monday night on suspicion of sexually assaulting a 16-year-old girl in El Cajon in the morning.
The teen told officers she was walking along East Main Street, near First Street, about 9:15 a.m. when a man in a beat-up, older green car approached her, said police Lt. Steve Shakowski. The man reportedly talked to the girl briefly, then forced her into his car.
She told officers he drove her a short distance to an alley where he sexually assaulted her, Shakowski said. The girl said she saw a gun in the car. After the assault, the man released her, and she contacted police.
About that time, the old green car was reported stolen. The thief's description matched that of the rapist, police Lt. Tim Henton said.
Detectives identified the suspect in both crimes and found him at a relative's home in southeast San Diego, Henton said.
Willie Kendall Williams was arrested about 6 p.m. on Willie James Jones Street and is being held on suspicion of kidnapping for sexual assault, forced oral copulation and assault with a deadly weapon.
– Pauline Repard and Debbi Baker

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/mar/02/bn02arrest/

View Case Detail
Case Title:   DEFENDANT WILLIE K. WILLIAMS
Case Number:    CE288629   Case Location:    East County     
Case Type:    Criminal   Date Filed:    03/05/2009   

Defendant   
Last Name   First Name   Birth Year   AKA   DA Number   
WILLIAMS     WILLIE K.     1981        MAU44301   

Microfilm   
Microfilm ID    Location    Reel Number    Frame Number   
This case has not been microfilmed.    File location East County Regional Centre Business Office/Records, 250 East MainS treet, El Cajon, CA 92020, 619-456-4100

View Case Detail
Case Title:   DEFENDANT IRIS LAWRENCE
Case Number:    SCD195740   Case Location:    San Diego     
Case Type:    Criminal   Date Filed:    12/28/2005   

Defendant   
Last Name   First Name   Birth Year   AKA   DA Number   
LAWRENCE     IRIS            ABR12201   
MCKENZIE     DARNELL GERRON            ABR12202   
WILLIAMS     WILLIE KENDELL            ABR12203   

Microfilm   
Microfilm ID    Location    Reel Number    Frame Number   
This case has not been microfilmed.    File Location Central Courthouse Superior Court Records, 2nd Floor 220 West Broadway San Diego, Ca 92101 619-450-5400

View Case Detail
Case Title:   DEFENDANT WILLIE KENDELL WILLIAMS
Case Number:    CE266412   Case Location:    East County     
Case Type:    Criminal   Date Filed:    11/22/2006   

Defendant   
Last Name   First Name   Birth Year   AKA   DA Number   
WILLIAMS     WILLIE KENDELL            MAP32501   

Microfilm   
Microfilm ID    Location    Reel Number    Frame Number   
This case has not been microfilmed.    File Location East County REgional Centre Business Office Records 250 East Main Street El Cajon, CA 92020 619-456-4100

Suspect in kidnapping, sexual assault denied bail

EAST COUNTY COURTS: A San Diego man pleaded not guilty yesterday to charges that he kidnapped and sexually assaulted a pregnant 16-year-old girl in El Cajon on Monday.
A judge ordered Willie Kendall Williams, 27, held without bail.
El Cajon Superior Court Judge Charles W. Ervin set a hearing for March 18 to determine if there is enough evidence for a trial.
The girl told investigators that Williams abducted her about 9:15 a.m. Monday after he approached her in an older green car on East Main Street.
Deputy District Attorney Curtis Ross told the judge that Williams stole the car earlier in the day.
After kidnapping the girl, who was visibly pregnant, Williams drove to the parking lot of a nearby apartment complex and held a replica handgun to the girl's head and forced her to perform a sex act, Ross told the judge. Williams later drove to an alley and released the girl, Ross said. –R.H.
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/mar/06/1m6pubsafe234620-public-safety/

Arrest of Sexual Assault Suspect

March 2, 2009

TYPE OF INCIDENT: Arrest of Sexual Assault Suspect


DATE AND TIME OCCURRED: March 2, 2009, 6:05PM


LOCATION OF OCCURRENCE: 305 Willie James Jones Street, San Diego


VICTIM: 16-year-old female


SUSPECT: Willie Kendall Williams, 11-19-81, Black male, 5’9”, 220 lbs.


RESUME OF INCIDENT:

On March 2, 2009, at about 9:18AM, a 16-year-old female was walking in the 1100-1200 block of E. Main Street in the City of El Cajon. She was approached by an adult male, who she did not know. He began speaking to her and then forced her into his vehicle. He threatened her with a firearm and drove a short distance where he sexually assaulted her. After the assault, the victim was released and she contacted the police. While officers were responding to the area of the sexual assault, the El Cajon Police Communications Center received a call regarding an auto theft that had occurred about one mile from the sexual assault. The vehicle which had been stolen, and the suspect in the auto theft, matched the vehicle and suspect description in the sexual assault.

Detectives were able to identify the suspect in the auto theft case, and put together a photo line-up which included his picture. The victim in the sexual assault was able to identify the suspect from the auto theft as the same person who had sexually assaulted her. Detectives tracked the suspect to a relative’s house in the City of San Diego. El Cajon Police detectives, along with officers from the San Diego Police Department surrounded the residence, and Williams was taken into custody without incident. The stolen vehicle was found within blocks of the residence.

Williams will be booked into San Diego County Jail for numerous charges including kidnapping for the purpose of sexual assault, forcible oral copulation with a juvenile and assault with a deadly weapon.

The investigation is continuing.



PREPARED BY:   Lt. Tim Henton
DIVISION:    Investigations
DATE AND TIME:    3/2/2009, 8:00 PM
REVIEWED BY: Sgt. Walt Miller

Pat Sprecco, Chief Of Police 
http://www.elcajonpress.com/newsletters/newsletter/4723712/62135.htm
http://www.sdcourt.ca.gov/portal/page?_pageid=55,1056871&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 04, 2009, 11:40:10 AM
http://www.kirotv.com/news/19628136/detail.html

holding my breath again . . . this is all just so sad
Sending you strenth and love.  I agree, so sad.  I only can imagine the saddness and pain that you are feeling. 

{{{hugs}}} Lovinlife

Here is the info on the missing girl from that area..

http://www.co.thurston.wa.us/sheriff/hp-docs/missing-persons/MPB-Kylie-Ellis-08-8614.pdf

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78265



The Thurston County coroner has identified a body found Monday at a hydroelectric plant just outside Yelm as Kylie Michelle Ellis, 12, who went missing from Yelm in December.

Thurston County Sheriff’s Sgt. Cheryl Stines said Wednesday that Ellis’ body shows no outward signs of foul play, but her office has to wait until an autopsy determines the cause and manner of her death.


The Thurston County coroner’s office said Ellis’ body was identified through dental records. Her autopsy is scheduled for today.


A worker with the Centralia City Light Yelm Hydroelectric Project at 14024 Yelm Highway S.E. discovered the body at about 9 a.m. Monday. It was in a bin that collects debris automatically sifted from the canal that feeds the plant. The bin is checked daily.


After Ellis disappeared last year, investigators found a note thought to have been written by her and other belongings left near a bridge above the Central Power Canal in the Yelm area, Stines said. The Central Power Canal empties into the hydroelectric facility where the girl’s body was found.


After Ellis’ disappearance, divers with the Thurston County Sheriff’s Office searched the canal but could not find the girl. At the time, officials with the Sheriff’s Office said that Ellis might have run away.


Jeremy Pawloski 360-754-5465


jpawloski@theolympian.com.

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/870865.html





Very sad ..when I came across her my space page, which I did not post a link too, she indicated she was going to commit suicide as she was depressed over the loss of a love..

I have no idea if that is what happened..

God rest her soul..

Thanks for the update canadianmonkey


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2009, 11:43:37 AM
EL CAJON, Calif. -- El Cajon Police said they have arrested a man in the sexual assault of a 16-year-old girl in an El Cajon alley Monday morning.

Police identified the suspect as Willie Kendall Williams, 27.

According to El Cajon Police Lt. Tim Henton, detectives were able to tie the attack to an auto theft case that took place in the same area about the same time.

Detectives were able to identify the suspect in the auto theft case and put together a photo line-up which included his picture, Lt. Henton said.

The victim in the sexual assault was able to identify the suspect from the auto theft as the same person who had sexually assaulted her, investigators said.

Detectives then tracked the suspect to a relative’s house in the City of San Diego, Lt. Henton said.

El Cajon Police detectives, along with officers from the San Diego Police Department surrounded the residence and Williams was taken into custody without incident.

The stolen vehicle was found within blocks of the residence, Lt. Henton said.

Williams will be booked into San Diego County Jail for numerous charges including kidnapping for the purpose of sexual assault, forcible oral copulation with a juvenile and assault with a deadly weapon.

The 16-year-old girl reported being abducted and assaulted in a commercial district Monday morning, El Cajon authorities said.

The teenager told police a man who appeared to be about 20 years old forced her into a green, older-model car in or near the 1100 block of East Main Street in El Cajon about 9 a.m., Lt. Steve Shakowski said.

According to the girl, the kidnapper then drove a short distance, pulled over in an alley and sexually assaulted her before letting her go, Shakowski said.

The teen, who said she saw a pistol in the sedan, described the assailant as a heavyset, roughly 5-foot-8-inch black man with a shaved head, beard and mustache, wearing jeans and a white shirt.

She said he was driving a "beat up" four-door sedan, possibly a Chevrolet or Chrysler, the lieutenant said.

The girl was taken to a hospital for an examination.

http://www.10news.com/2009/0303/18838344_240X180.jpg

http://www.10news.com/news/18835254/detail.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 04, 2009, 11:48:30 AM
A High Five to Northern Rose !!
Good info.

Willie also made a request through his public defender to not show his face in court cameras or release it to the news.. The judge agreed
There was a court video but his face was blotched out.
This is why we do not have a photo of him.
So if anyone can find some other photo of him maybe that could be shown to people who had claimed to see the fellow with the back pack following or walking with Amber..




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 04, 2009, 11:51:16 AM
I have no idea if Williams plays out in the cae of Amber.. The cell phone being fired up the next day to the north throws everything out into left field..
But that could be all by design and I thinks Willie is very street smart..He could have thought to do that on purpose.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2009, 11:54:26 AM
Suspect Caught in El Cajon Teen Kidnapping & Rape

Last Update: 3/02 11:49 pm 

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 A suspected rapist is in police custody after a teenage girl said she was abducted and assaulted in El Cajon.
The 16-year-old victim says she was forced into the suspect's car Monday morning in the 1100 block of E. Main Street near First Street.

The victim said there was a gun in the suspect's car. He reportedly drove her into an alley, where the sexual assault happened, and then let her go.

Police determined the car was stolen, and tracked down the suspect, Willie Kendall Williams, to a relative's house where he was arrested and booked into jail.

The girl was taken to a hospital for an examination
 
http://www.sandiego6.com/mostpopular/story/Suspect-Caught-in-El-Cajon-Teen-Kidnapping-Rape/Eb5yQcTlKEKFbpIgjBNrZA.cspx

COMMENTS:

nasty - 3/2/2009 0 Votes Report User HEYYYY this guy sounds familiar to caase of the unknown man wondering the streets of Escondido around Oak Hill. His discription of his car fit the same seen when he approched young girls offering a ride home. I belive the police should look into this case.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2009, 11:59:35 AM
Man Accused Of Abducting Teen Pleads Not Guilty

POSTED: 4:07 pm PST March 5, 2009
UPDATED: 4:27 pm PST March 5, 2009
EL CAJON, Calif. -- A man accused of abducting a 16-year-old girl and forcing her to perform a sex act on him pleaded not guilty Thursday to four felony charges, including kidnapping with the intent to commit a sexual assault.

Willie Kendall Williams, 27, was on probation for a 2006 domestic violence conviction when he was arrested on the current case, said Deputy District Attorney Curtis Ross.

El Cajon Judge Charles Ervin ordered Williams held without bail on the alleged probation violation.

Ross said the defendant forced the victim into a car -- stolen from the family involved in the 2006 domestic violence case -- about 9 a.m. Monday on East Main Street in El Cajon.

Williams allegedly drove to a parking lot, put a gun to the teen's head, and forced her to perform a sex act on him, Ross said.

When the defendant was arrested, he had a fake gun that matched the weapon the victim had described, the prosecutor said.

Besides kidnapping, Williams is charged with forcible oral copulation, rape by a foreign object and vehicle theft.

He faces 30 years to life in state prison if convicted.

The judge scheduled a readiness conference for March 13 and a preliminary hearing for March 18.

http://www.10news.com/news/18865662/detail.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on June 04, 2009, 12:05:38 PM
Man Accused Of Abducting Teen Pleads Not Guilty

POSTED: 4:07 pm PST March 5, 2009
UPDATED: 4:27 pm PST March 5, 2009
EL CAJON, Calif. -- A man accused of abducting a 16-year-old girl and forcing her to perform a sex act on him pleaded not guilty Thursday to four felony charges, including kidnapping with the intent to commit a sexual assault.

Willie Kendall Williams, 27, was on probation for a 2006 domestic violence conviction when he was arrested on the current case, said Deputy District Attorney Curtis Ross.

El Cajon Judge Charles Ervin ordered Williams held without bail on the alleged probation violation.

Ross said the defendant forced the victim into a car -- stolen from the family involved in the 2006 domestic violence case -- about 9 a.m. Monday on East Main Street in El Cajon.

Williams allegedly drove to a parking lot, put a gun to the teen's head, and forced her to perform a sex act on him, Ross said.

When the defendant was arrested, he had a fake gun that matched the weapon the victim had described, the prosecutor said.

Besides kidnapping, Williams is charged with forcible oral copulation, rape by a foreign object and vehicle theft.

He faces 30 years to life in state prison if convicted.

The judge scheduled a readiness conference for March 13 and a preliminary hearing for March 18.

http://www.10news.com/news/18865662/detail.html
Thanks Northern Rose.  If this guy knows something about Amber he'd better start talkin'!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2009, 12:11:01 PM
Right in the middle of that post my big fingers hit the wrong key and it posted the whole damn mess...  ::MonkeyShocked:: It has happened to me again !!
 Please excuse that and if a moderator is lurking can they please delete this post and that one and I will try again.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Edward I have done that so often and feel so silly each time.  We are all so passionate that sometimes our fingers get the best of us I believe.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 04, 2009, 12:13:11 PM
I need to get a bigger keyboard ..lol  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2009, 12:17:43 PM
Woman fights off
attempted kidnapping
By Larry Altman Staff Writer
Posted: 04/06/2009 05:20:36 PM PDT
A woman fought off three would-be abductors who tried to pull her into a white van today on a Hermosa Beach street, police said.

The attempted kidnapping was eerily similar to a crime reported in Redondo Beach in January, and police said it might be related.

In this crime, the woman could see ropes inside the van, Hermosa Beach police Sgt. Robert Higgins said.

The woman told police that a dirty white van pulled up to her as she walked in the 600 block of 4th Street about 2 p.m.

Two men were seated in the cab and another in the back.

One of the men asked for directions.

When the victim walked closer to offer them directions, the van's side door swung open.

One man tried to pull her inside.

"The victim fought back and was able to escape from the suspect's grasp," Higgins said. "The victim fled the area and called police."

The van drove away. Police searched the area, but could not locate it.

The men were described as Latinos in dark clothing. Their van had small back windows.

Last month, Redondo Beach police released a sketch of a man who tried to kidnap a woman in January after asking for directions.

He was driving a white van.

Detectives said the man asked for directions. When the woman moved close to the van, the sliding door opened and a man got out and grabbed her.

She hit the attacker with her purse and escaped.

http://**/news/ci_12085031?source=rss


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 04, 2009, 12:25:41 PM
He is very close the the F.B.I. wanted posters of one of the 2 characters..
But I have little trust in drawings comparisons.. Photos are much better.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 04, 2009, 12:36:03 PM
"a dirty white van"

Most people wash there cars in Redondo beach ? Is that not a high level area ?

When the woman is kidnapped and murdered from Redondo beach they use her vehicle and travel over 100 miles and dispose of the body just outside of san bernadino and then bring her vehicle back to redondo beach and drop it off..
note
she also worked at the bar mentioned in her case and often closed up by herself after 2:30 a.m. so she is very vulnerable.. But it also says the area is a high level and she had little concern because she felt safe..

same guys as in the van ? or some other culprit ?

who knows... san bernadino is my clue it is the same guys..



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on June 04, 2009, 12:39:56 PM
http://www.kirotv.com/news/19628136/detail.html

holding my breath again . . . this is all just so sad
Sending you strenth and love.  I agree, so sad.  I only can imagine the saddness and pain that you are feeling. 

{{{hugs}}} Lovinlife

Here is the info on the missing girl from that area..

http://www.co.thurston.wa.us/sheriff/hp-docs/missing-persons/MPB-Kylie-Ellis-08-8614.pdf

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78265



The Thurston County coroner has identified a body found Monday at a hydroelectric plant just outside Yelm as Kylie Michelle Ellis, 12, who went missing from Yelm in December.

Thurston County Sheriff’s Sgt. Cheryl Stines said Wednesday that Ellis’ body shows no outward signs of foul play, but her office has to wait until an autopsy determines the cause and manner of her death.


The Thurston County coroner’s office said Ellis’ body was identified through dental records. Her autopsy is scheduled for today.


A worker with the Centralia City Light Yelm Hydroelectric Project at 14024 Yelm Highway S.E. discovered the body at about 9 a.m. Monday. It was in a bin that collects debris automatically sifted from the canal that feeds the plant. The bin is checked daily.


After Ellis disappeared last year, investigators found a note thought to have been written by her and other belongings left near a bridge above the Central Power Canal in the Yelm area, Stines said. The Central Power Canal empties into the hydroelectric facility where the girl’s body was found.


After Ellis’ disappearance, divers with the Thurston County Sheriff’s Office searched the canal but could not find the girl. At the time, officials with the Sheriff’s Office said that Ellis might have run away.


Jeremy Pawloski 360-754-5465


jpawloski@theolympian.com.

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/870865.html





Very sad ..when I came across her my space page, which I did not post a link too, she indicated she was going to commit suicide as she was depressed over the loss of a love..

I have no idea if that is what happened..

God rest her soul..

Thanks for the update canadianmonkey

That is so incredibly heartbreaking.  Prayers to her family, prayers that she somehow now knows peace.

Thanks all monkeys for your posts.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2009, 12:42:50 PM
I am trying to see if this guy is still in jail and can not find him at any of the Riverside facilites.  Looking for help here.

SIGNONSANDIEGO NEWS SERVICES

10:18 p.m. August 15, 2008

MURRIETA – A 41-year-old Temecula man was ordered Friday to stand trial on two counts of attempted kidnapping for allegedly trying to get two girls into his van about a half-hour apart last winter in Temecula.
Clifford Allen Alvarez also faces one count each of making criminal threats and misdemeanor willful harm to a child.

Riverside County Superior Court Judge Rodney Walker bound Alvarez over for trial following a preliminary hearing Friday afternoon, held to determine whether enough evidence existed to move the case forward.

Walker ordered Alvarez back to court on Aug. 29.

Alvarez was arrested in March 11 at his home, where authorities found him by tracking his license plate number, which the father of one of the girls had written down.

The two attempted kidnappings were reported at different locations near Vintage Hills Elementary School in a span of 26 minutes, sheriff's officials said.

In the first incident, which was reported at 3:22 p.m. near Canterbury Court and Flag Way, a 13-year-old girl was walking home when a man in a white van stopped near the girl. The man threatened to shoot the girl if she didn't get into his van, sheriff's officials said.

The girl ran and called 911. While officers checked the area for the white van, a second incident was reported at 3:48 p.m. near the school, authorities said.

A man in a white van stopped near an 11-year-old girl and told her several times to get into his van, sheriff's officials said.

The girl became scared and walked to her father's truck. The father spoke to the man in the van and wrote down a license plate number.

Authorities later found a white van parked at a home in the 43000 block of Sereno Drive. Alvarez was arrested after the victims and a witness identified him.


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/riverside/20080815-2218-kidnap.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2009, 12:53:05 PM
Ampersand are you able to fill us in on how this weekend went? 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2009, 12:57:05 PM
I am trying to see if this guy is still in jail and can not find him at any of the Riverside facilites.  Looking for help here.

SIGNONSANDIEGO NEWS SERVICES

10:18 p.m. August 15, 2008

MURRIETA – A 41-year-old Temecula man was ordered Friday to stand trial on two counts of attempted kidnapping for allegedly trying to get two girls into his van about a half-hour apart last winter in Temecula.
Clifford Allen Alvarez also faces one count each of making criminal threats and misdemeanor willful harm to a child.

Riverside County Superior Court Judge Rodney Walker bound Alvarez over for trial following a preliminary hearing Friday afternoon, held to determine whether enough evidence existed to move the case forward.

Walker ordered Alvarez back to court on Aug. 29.

Alvarez was arrested in March 11 at his home, where authorities found him by tracking his license plate number, which the father of one of the girls had written down.

The two attempted kidnappings were reported at different locations near Vintage Hills Elementary School in a span of 26 minutes, sheriff's officials said.

In the first incident, which was reported at 3:22 p.m. near Canterbury Court and Flag Way, a 13-year-old girl was walking home when a man in a white van stopped near the girl. The man threatened to shoot the girl if she didn't get into his van, sheriff's officials said.

The girl ran and called 911. While officers checked the area for the white van, a second incident was reported at 3:48 p.m. near the school, authorities said.

A man in a white van stopped near an 11-year-old girl and told her several times to get into his van, sheriff's officials said.

The girl became scared and walked to her father's truck. The father spoke to the man in the van and wrote down a license plate number.

Authorities later found a white van parked at a home in the 43000 block of Sereno Drive. Alvarez was arrested after the victims and a witness identified him.


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/riverside/20080815-2218-kidnap.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 04, 2009, 01:03:22 PM
I am trying to see if this guy is still in jail and can not find him at any of the Riverside facilites.  Looking for help here.

SIGNONSANDIEGO NEWS SERVICES

10:18 p.m. August 15, 2008

MURRIETA – A 41-year-old Temecula man was ordered Friday to stand trial on two counts of attempted kidnapping for allegedly trying to get two girls into his van about a half-hour apart last winter in Temecula.
Clifford Allen Alvarez also faces one count each of making criminal threats and misdemeanor willful harm to a child.

Riverside County Superior Court Judge Rodney Walker bound Alvarez over for trial following a preliminary hearing Friday afternoon, held to determine whether enough evidence existed to move the case forward.

Walker ordered Alvarez back to court on Aug. 29.

Alvarez was arrested in March 11 at his home, where authorities found him by tracking his license plate number, which the father of one of the girls had written down.

The two attempted kidnappings were reported at different locations near Vintage Hills Elementary School in a span of 26 minutes, sheriff's officials said.

In the first incident, which was reported at 3:22 p.m. near Canterbury Court and Flag Way, a 13-year-old girl was walking home when a man in a white van stopped near the girl. The man threatened to shoot the girl if she didn't get into his van, sheriff's officials said.

The girl ran and called 911. While officers checked the area for the white van, a second incident was reported at 3:48 p.m. near the school, authorities said.

A man in a white van stopped near an 11-year-old girl and told her several times to get into his van, sheriff's officials said.

The girl became scared and walked to her father's truck. The father spoke to the man in the van and wrote down a license plate number.

Authorities later found a white van parked at a home in the 43000 block of Sereno Drive. Alvarez was arrested after the victims and a witness identified him.


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/riverside/20080815-2218-kidnap.html

I do not have an answer but this is the street view of where he supposedly lives..
http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tab=wl


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on June 04, 2009, 01:05:34 PM
Clifford Allen Alvarez

I believe he is out on bail, though not really sure. Trial scheduled 6/8/09.

Case SWF025162 Defendant 1658626 ALVAREZ, CLIFFORD ALLEN

Bail set at $135,000.00 ~ I can't tell if it was posted or not, maybe someone else can.

http://public-access.riverside.courts.ca.gov


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2009, 01:11:31 PM
Yes, he is out on bail.  I jsut found him in the court records.  Next court date is not till 06/08/2009

Case Number  Name  Filing Date  Charges  Next Hearing  Jurisdiction 
HE10171CA   ALVAREZ , CLIFFORD ALLEN   09/17/2008   22101D VC   None Scheduled   SUPERIOR COURT - HEMET BRANCH   
SWF025162   ALVAREZ , CLIFFORD ALLEN   03/24/2008   273A(A) PC, 422 PC, 664/207(A) PC, 664/207(B) PC, M273A(A) PC   Jury Trial
06/08/2009 AT 8:30 AM DEPT. S202   Southwest Justice Center   

Case HE10171CA Defendant 1658626 ALVAREZ, CLIFFORD ALLEN

Filed Charges
Count Charge Severity Description Violation Date Plea Status

1  VC 22101D  I  Disobey Traffic Signs  09/04/2008    CONVICTED 


Case SWF025162 Defendant 1658626 ALVAREZ, CLIFFORD ALLEN

Arrest Charges
Count Charge Severity Description Violation Date Plea Status

1  PC 664/207(A)  F  Attempted Kidnapping  03/11/2008     
Filed Charges
Count Charge Severity Description Violation Date Plea Status

1  PC 664/207(A)  F  Attempted Kidnapping  03/11/2008    HTA 
  Enhancement   Description   Plea Status
  PC 667.9(A)    Victim: Under 14;+65;Disabled   DENY  HTA 
2  PC 664/207(A)  F  Attempted Kidnapping  03/11/2008    HTA 
  Enhancement   Description   Plea Status
  PC 667.9(A)    Victim: Under 14;+65;Disabled   DENY  HTA 
3  PC 422  F  CRIMINAL THREATS   03/11/2008    HTA 
4  PC M273A(A)  M  WILLFUL HARM/INJURY TO CHILD ENDANGERING PERSON/HEALTH   03/11/2008    HTA 
Infor Charges
Count Charge Severity Description Violation Date Plea Status

1  PC 664/207(A)  F  Attempted Kidnapping  03/11/2008    ACTIVE 
  Enhancement   Description   Plea Status
  PC 667.9(A)    Victim: Under 14;+65;Disabled   DENY  ACTIVE 
2  PC 664/207(A)  F  Attempted Kidnapping  03/11/2008    ACTIVE 
  Enhancement   Description   Plea Status
  PC 667.9(A)    Victim: Under 14;+65;Disabled   DENY  ACTIVE 
3  PC 422  F  CRIMINAL THREATS   03/11/2008    ACTIVE 
Origin Charges
Count Charge Severity Description Violation Date Plea Status

1  PC 664/207(B)  F  Attempted kidnap child >14 years  03/11/2008     
2  PC 664/207(B)  F  Attempted kidnap child >14 years  03/11/2008     
4  PC 273A(A)  F  Willful Harm Injur Child Endgepersonal health  03/11/2008     


http://public-access.riverside.courts.ca.gov/OpenAccess/criminal/defendantcharges.asp?courtcode=C&casenumber=SWF025162&defnbr=1658626&defseq=1&mcnmsearch=Y&otnmseq=0&dsn=


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 04, 2009, 01:12:30 PM
On the map link I posted above, There is a "white mini van" parked on that street, have no idea how old the gps images are in google..  I use the street view to look up and down the street.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2009, 01:13:33 PM
Clifford Allen Alvarez

I believe he is out on bail, though not really sure. Trial scheduled 6/8/09.

Case SWF025162 Defendant 1658626 ALVAREZ, CLIFFORD ALLEN

Bail set at $135,000.00 ~ I can't tell if it was posted or not, maybe someone else can.

http://public-access.riverside.courts.ca.gov

I confirmed that he is out on bail which really sucks.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2009, 01:16:09 PM
Edward your map did not work for me.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2009, 01:22:32 PM
On the map link I posted above, There is a "white mini van" parked on that street, have no idea how old the gps images are in google..  I use the street view to look up and down the street.

A few houses up from the white van is a red truck.  I know both vehicles are common and it may just be a coincidence...... but WOW.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 04, 2009, 01:24:14 PM
 



use this to search In google maps

43174 Sereno Dr, Temecula

Then go to street view and you can drive up and down the street which is not very long at all.




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 04, 2009, 01:25:54 PM
what do I have to do to capture thos images and post them ?  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyWink::

Anyways, good job



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 04, 2009, 01:29:14 PM
It is not very far from Escandido at all. Right along hwy 15


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2009, 01:29:57 PM
Here is the white van



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 04, 2009, 01:30:52 PM
I have a really nice close up of the van but can't post it..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2009, 01:31:13 PM
what do I have to do to capture thos images and post them ?  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyWink::

Anyways, good job



I do screen captures then save them through Photoshop.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 04, 2009, 01:31:27 PM
lol, northen rose you are too good..   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2009, 01:34:03 PM
Close up of van.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 04, 2009, 01:38:39 PM
I think we should also mention as disclaimer that this van, may not even be the correct van mentioned in the news article in the case we are talking about at the moment. It just happens to be the only white van on the street on google map images.
 We are just Sleuthing around..  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2009, 01:52:59 PM
All we know right now is that 41 year old Clifford Allen Alvarez  from Temecula will be back in court this month for the two attempted kidnappings  reported at different locations near Vintage Hills Elementary School in a span of 26 minutes. We also know he is currently not in custody and he lives in the 43000 block of Sereno Drive and drives a white van.




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2009, 02:57:04 PM
Composite of attempted zip tie kidnapping suspect released, teen recounts ordeal
By Daniel Tedford and Brian Day, Staff Writers
Posted: 05/20/2009 07:47:58 PM PDT

MONTEBELLO - Authorities Wednesday released a composite sketch of an emotionless suspect who used a zip tie and tried to kidnap an 11-year-old girl Monday before her teenage brother and a friend fought him off.

The attempted kidnapping occurred about 3 p.m. on Marconi Avenue at 16th Street, Montebello police Sgt. Javier Ornelas said.

Thirteen-year-old Harvey Carrasco and a 14-year-old friend were walking home from a school bus stop, following just behind Carrasco's sister when Carrasco heard his "little sister screaming for help," he said.

Carrasco said he saw a "large man" trying to force his sister into the trunk of a car. Her legs were sticking out of the trunk and she had a plastic zip tie placed tightly around her neck, that made her face turn purple.

"Me and my friend started running toward the car," Carrasco said.

As he punched and struck the man, Carrasco's 14-year-old friend pulled the young girl from the trunk of the car, Carrasco said.

Once his sister was free, Carrasco said he briefly thought of trying to grab the man's keys, but decided not to because he didn't know if the man had a gun.

The teens sought help from a neighbor to remove the plastic zip tie from around his sister's throat, Carrasco said.

The zip tie was making it hard for his sister to breath, he said. "Her face was turning purple."
Carrasco said throughout the attack, the suspect was silent.

"His face showed no emotions," he said.

Carrasco's mother, Madeleine Ramirez, said the incident has left both Carrasco and her 11-year-old daughter unnerved.

"It's really hard what they went through," she said, adding that her children will now be dropped off and picked up from school.

Ramirez said her daughter was initially hospitalized with bruises to her neck but has since returned home.

The suspect was described as a Latino man between 35 and 40 years old, with brown hair and brown eyes. He stood about 5-feet-10-inches tall, weighed about 250 pounds, was unshaven, and wore a baseball cap and a blue, short-sleeve shirt, Montebello police officials said in a written statement.
The suspect's car was described as 2000-2003, silver, 4-door small car with grey interior, officials said.

Police confirmed the brother and his friend fought off the attacker.

"There was a struggle, there was a fight," Ornelas said.

Ramirez said she is proud of her son.

"Thank God him and his friend were there," she said. "He's a hero. He saved his sister's life."

Ramirez said she was initially disappointed with the Montebello Police Department because it took them a half hour to respond, and they didn't seem to take the incident seriously, she said.

Neighbors were alarmed and surprised by the attack. The neighborhood, nearby both Schurr High and Wilcox Elementary schools, is a quiet one, residents said.

"It is kind of strange," said Fred Tom. "There are very few children around here, that is why it is surprising there would be a predator around here."

People should be more alert, resident Alex Nigian, but kidnapping attempts are hard to prepare for.

"You got to watch your kids," he said. "But you got to let them be kids, too."

Moontebello police Lt. Brad Keller said police logs indicate 11 minutes passed between the time Montebello police initially recieved the call and the time the first officer arrived on scene.

http://**/rds_search/ci_12415791?IADID=Search-**-**






Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2009, 02:59:40 PM
Girl frightened by encounter near La Puente elementary school
By Brian Day, Staff Writer
Posted: 05/22/2009 09:45:00 PM PDT

LA PUENTE - A young girl ran for help Friday after a man shouted at her from a van in front of an elementary school, officials said.

The event was first reported as a failed abduction, though after investigating, authorities did not believe that was the case.

Sheriff's deputies raced to Yorbita Elementary School, 520 Vidalia Avenue, about 1:20 p.m. after the girl ran to the school office to report a frightening encounter with a man in a van parked in front of the school.

"A 12-year-old girl was walking to the elementary school to pick up her brother," Los Angeles County sheriff's Lt. John McBride said.

She spotted a Latino man sitting in a white Ford Windstar minivan with a caged interior who called out to her in Spanish to "come here," he said.

The girl became frightened and ran to the school office, McBride said.

When officials went to find the man in the white van, he was gone, the lieutenant added.

The van was last seen headed west on Jeannie Drive. A further description of the man was not available.

Though deputies initially responded to the call as an abduction attempt with emergency lights and sirens on, McBride said, deputies did not find evidence of a kidnapping attempt.

He added that the man in the van never got out of his van or made any physical attempt to abduct the girl.

"It doesn't look like an attempted kidnapping," he said.

"We're going to write a child annoyance (report) to document it."

As with any call involving a threat to a child, however, the incident is being taken seriously, McBride said.

"I don't want to minimize this at all," he said.

Deputies circled the neighborhood following the incident, and Yorbita Elementary School Principal Erika Krohn said she was pleased with the girl's actions.

"She ran to the school, which is just what we want our kids to do," she said. "She was upset, but she handled it very well."

The principal added, "We are just glad everyone's safe."

http://**/rds_search/ci_12434443?IADID=Search-**-**


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2009, 03:09:34 PM
SAN GABRIEL - Sheriff's detectives staking out a robbery suspect Thursday stopped a rape in progress and captured the suspect, authorities said.

Kenneth Parker, 18, of San Gabriel was booked on suspicion of kidnapping to commit rape, attempted rape, burglary and assault with a deadly weapon, police and sheriff's officials said.

The incident occurred about 7:30 p.m. in the 1700 block of Palm Avenue when detectives from the sheriff's Major Crimes Bureau saw Parker grab and attempt to rape a woman, sheriff's officials said in a written statement.

The woman escaped before the detectives could intervene, but Parker grabbed a second woman moments later and dragged her into a business in the 100 block of East Valley Boulevard, sheriff's officials said.

Detectives followed Parker as he took the woman into a bathroom in the business and locked the door, San Gabriel police Sgt. Brian Kott said.

They then entered the room, rescued the woman and detained the Parker, who was booked at the San Gabriel Police Department, according to the sheriff's statement.

"They did a great piece of police work," San Gabriel police Lt. John Tuosto said of the deputies. "My personal opinion is, not only did they save her from being raped, it could have been a lot worse."

According to court records, Parker is being held in lieu of $1 million bail and is due for arraignment at Alhambra Superior Court on Monday.

http://**/rds_search/ci_12229788?IADID=Search-**-**



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 04, 2009, 05:39:49 PM
Holly Cow !!
A Rash of Waco's  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I am so happy to hear all these children are safe..

That Brother is HERO !! 

Can you believe that perp had "zero emotion" while strangling his victim with a zip tie...??
A 250 lb Monster !! ..Her brother jumped right on him..  :smt021
Thank God

The police should PUBLICLY commend that Brother .. 1 Hero  :smt038

We really need to do that to train our Boys to jump in on such situations.. Commend them.

Instead the powers that be want everyone to call for professional assistance, you can see how long they took to arrive.
The public needs to be ready and willing to intervene on such situations, but lots of people will not for fear of reprisal  either by the culprit or by Lawsuit..

This brother was motivated because it was his sister.. Had he not been there others may have just stood there and watched.. and did nothing at all.

That happens all the time where people stand still and do nothing.. because they have been trained to do so..

This world needs more Hero's..  :salut:

Or Be a-lert with a cell phone, the world needs more Lerts.
 
Well that is my rant for the day..  :gaah:  everyone go back to sleep. :smt039


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2009, 06:40:50 PM
I agree that there seems to be a large number of very badly behaved people in society and it takes all of us to teach our children this is not right and to stand up for others.  What I am trying to do is see if I can find other crimes that are similar that we may be able to connect.  I am not familiar with Cali so if I am going too far afield please let me know.  I wish I knew what towers Verizon leases as I would love to be narrowing down that north tower, so in the mean time thought this may be a worthwhile exercise.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 04, 2009, 07:36:54 PM
You are doing a great job is posting currant crimes in and around southern California..
It is all develops a library of currant information that may help us in Escondido..

I wonder what Amber's friends are thinking now that 4 months have passed..
We just have not herd very much from them.. Although they may very well be showing up to events and supporting the family from behind the scenes. I can sure understand that.

Hard questions have to be asked..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on June 04, 2009, 11:38:39 PM
Thanks klassend, you are a wonderful person.

4 months is almost here, still no answer for this family. I know it is very depressing for them and it is eating me alive.
I will be in there area in 2 weeks.. I still have no specific area mapped out, There is no true direction except north because of the cell phone, so I will search the north areas I have mentioned in this thread Unless something comes up in the meantime. Which of course I hope they find her alive and well. If not I will do what I can.

I just have to keep doing research and I ask all of you to do the same.. Keep writing to the news media people to increase awarness.

 I believe in patterns of behavior and I also believe that the wide majority of people deseased by evil are found are within 100 yards of a path or road as most people that do these murders are lazy in the disposal.
If it is water well that is a different story.

I would be extremely happy to hear she was alive and living some place safe and sound.
It would be a typical 14 year old thing to do..  Under all of Gods rules that is forgiven ..
So I will pray for that.

Edward,   I agree on Klaas.  She is wonderful. 

Now, about your personal search for Amber...  I am worried about you.   Not only do you not have a clue as to where to look, but the family has apparently decided not to reveal anything to help.  They seem to have about shut down the three main discussion forums over the last weekend.   That is their right, but for those of us who intend to continue the search, it is a problem.   I have a few ideas for you and may make a trip out myself later, but not in two weeks.    Anyway, if you have a throwaway addy for email, I would like too share some ideas.     If not, my prayers are for Amber no matter what.   





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 04, 2009, 11:51:45 PM
thanks for all of the updates! So sad about the 12 year old girl  ::MonkeyWaa::

I will write more later.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: ChiChi on June 05, 2009, 01:28:11 AM
A High Five to Northern Rose !!
Good info.

Willie also made a request through his public defender to not show his face in court cameras or release it to the news.. The judge agreed
There was a court video but his face was blotched out.
This is why we do not have a photo of him.
So if anyone can find some other photo of him maybe that could be shown to people who had claimed to see the fellow with the back pack following or walking with Amber..




Amazing! This world is going to hell in a handbasket with a broken handle.  By all means let us protect the identity of this POS, what a bunch of crap.  I'm sure the poor girl didn't want to be sexually assaulted by that freak either, but she didn't have the option to say no.  What a ridiculous decision, that judge should be ashamed of him/herself.  I know maybe at the state's expense of course, we can have a custom made mask for him lined with jewels and provide it to him to wear during his court proceedings and transportation to and from the court house.  Unreal. Sorry.... had to vent.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 05, 2009, 02:51:01 AM
Willie is just asking for the court to recognise presumed innocence..
If you were innocent you may do the same
So we should expect the guilty will use that right like a tool.

It is OK, I am hopeful for DNA evidence, The police must have gotten some clothes, if we can sink a president with clothes I am sure the prosecutor can sink willie with clothes..  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 05, 2009, 03:26:10 AM
Thanks klassend, you are a wonderful person.

4 months is almost here, still no answer for this family. I know it is very depressing for them and it is eating me alive.
I will be in there area in 2 weeks.. I still have no specific area mapped out, There is no true direction except north because of the cell phone, so I will search the north areas I have mentioned in this thread Unless something comes up in the meantime. Which of course I hope they find her alive and well. If not I will do what I can.

I just have to keep doing research and I ask all of you to do the same.. Keep writing to the news media people to increase awareness.

 I believe in patterns of behavior and I also believe that the wide majority of people deceased by evil are found are within 100 yards of a path or road as most people that do these murders are lazy in the disposal.
If it is water well that is a different story.

I would be extremely happy to hear she was alive and living some place safe and sound.
It would be a typical 14 year old thing to do..  Under all of Gods rules that is forgiven ..
So I will pray for that.

Edward,   I agree on Klaas.  She is wonderful. 

Now, about your personal search for Amber...  I am worried about you.   Not only do you not have a clue as to where to look, but the family has apparently decided not to reveal anything to help.  They seem to have about shut down the three main discussion forums over the last weekend.   That is their right, but for those of us who intend to continue the search, it is a problem.   I have a few ideas for you and may make a trip out myself later, but not in two weeks.    Anyway, if you have a throwaway addy for email, I would like too share some ideas.     If not, my prayers are for Amber no matter what.   


Thank You,
 I do not think anyone has ever said they were worried about me in searches before.. I have been doing searches for lost and missing people for about 10 years now. I have worked with professional search teams before..
I do in fact prefer to work areas on my own.. I am slow and methodical and I know what not to touch and who to call if successful.  I do a great amount of research to develop my search areas.

The family is or has done better then most families. They organized early and are doing the best they can. I do not discount them.
I think they got there feelings hurt.. I appreciate them giving these forums a chance to get more info. Right now they are running on emotions and they seem like logical people who have taken constructive suggestions and looked into it.. They have talked with the Indian nations and even crossed the border and chatted with the Mexican police in an effort to get the word out.. They have turn ELE onto Williams and they have gotten ELE to open there case files to other investigators..
BUT
Like one of them said there is no book written on how they are supposed to act.. How should anyone act who is missing a child..?
I do not blame them for vacating the Internet discussions.
I have also seen the F.B.I. tell families not to discuss anything with anyone once the F.B.I. enters the case.
So for all I know that may have happened..

You can contact me anytime and klassend can give you my email address..
Thank You so much for being concerned.. That is very kind..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on June 05, 2009, 06:30:48 PM
Edward, I don't  doubted your skill, training or courage.  In my book you are a true hero.  Just please let someone of your choice watch your back.    ::MonkeyAngel::   

Chi-M



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 05, 2009, 07:07:24 PM
 We are just going for a walk in some parks.. and along some road sides.. 
Nothing dangerous..  ::MonkeyWink:: 



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: califmom on June 06, 2009, 04:06:31 AM
We are just going for a walk in some parks.. and along some road sides.. 
Nothing dangerous..  ::MonkeyWink:: 





Edward, I don't post here that often, but I do peek in here for updates every time I sign on.  Like Chi-M, I am worried for you too!!  I will be saying prayers for you as you search!! 

Good Luck, Stay Safe and God Bless You!! 

 ::MonkeyAngel:: God Bless Amber  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: AmbersMom on June 06, 2009, 11:12:54 AM
Hi Everyone,

Thank you so much for your help.  I would like to clear the air on a few items.
1. I don't see a problem with family posting some information, but I feel it should be minimal.
2. There has been a few post on this site that seemed odd to me, so I did ask my mom and sis to limit their participation.
3. Edward please let me know when you will be here, I can get you some help if needed. Plus I would like to meet you.

I will say you monkeys do a great job!!

Thanks,

Carrie


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on June 06, 2009, 12:07:09 PM
Hi Everyone,

Thank you so much for your help.  I would like to clear the air on a few items.
1. I don't see a problem with family posting some information, but I feel it should be minimal.
2. There has been a few post on this site that seemed odd to me, so I did ask my mom and sis to limit their participation.
3. Edward please let me know when you will be here, I can get you some help if needed. Plus I would like to meet you.

I will say you monkeys do a great job!!

Thanks,

Carrie

Thank you.   Read you loud and clear.   Had you said that before we could have avoided the any misunderstanding entirely.   

No more questions for the family. 

Good luck.    Chi-M




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: klaasend on June 06, 2009, 12:10:34 PM
Welcome AmbersMom!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 06, 2009, 12:46:21 PM
Hi Everyone,

Thank you so much for your help.  I would like to clear the air on a few items.
1. I don't see a problem with family posting some information, but I feel it should be minimal.
2. There has been a few post on this site that seemed odd to me, so I did ask my mom and sis to limit their participation.
3. Edward please let me know when you will be here, I can get you some help if needed. Plus I would like to meet you.

I will say you monkeys do a great job!!

Thanks,

Carrie

WELCOME!!!! I  pray for the safe return of Amber and strength for your family until Amber is home.   I understand your concerns about information and will not ask questions.  If the family feels it is something that can be posted they will post it.  I am so sorry you feel some of the posts on this site are odd.  Know that we are all here because we are passionate about children and their safe return home.  Sometimes when cases take a turn for the worse it gets the best of us as it is the last thing we want to see. 



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 06, 2009, 07:38:56 PM
Hi Carrie
I feel the same way, we are just very passionate about missing children..
I sure will make contact when I am in your area.. I hope you find Amber very soon.
Our best thoughts are with you.
I am out driving around Northern California today so I am just checking in to read up.
Trying to post while driving is impossible... ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink::
So I pulled over..lol
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 06, 2009, 08:03:22 PM
Welcome Ambersmom. I say a prayer everyday for the safe return of your daughter. Amber seems like such a nice kid. I love that she was interested in animals and story writing. She also has just stunning eyes! I can see your family is just so proud of her and loves her dearly. She is lucky to have you all.

I am so sorry if anything has offended you or put you off. Please know the intention of this thread is to help find your daughter and only that. There is nothing more then any of us want then to bring her home to you.

Hugs and prayers to you and your entire family. Your sister has my email, please feel free to contact me if there is anything you may need or I can help you with.


Tracygirl


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on June 07, 2009, 06:30:36 AM
Hi Everyone,

Thank you so much for your help.  I would like to clear the air on a few items.
1. I don't see a problem with family posting some information, but I feel it should be minimal.
2. There has been a few post on this site that seemed odd to me, so I did ask my mom and sis to limit their participation.
3. Edward please let me know when you will be here, I can get you some help if needed. Plus I would like to meet you.

I will say you monkeys do a great job!!

Thanks,

Carrie

WELCOME!!!! I  pray for the safe return of Amber and strength for your family until Amber is home.   I understand your concerns about information and will not ask questions.  If the family feels it is something that can be posted they will post it.  I am so sorry you feel some of the posts on this site are odd.  Know that we are all here because we are passionate about children and their safe return home.  Sometimes when cases take a turn for the worse it gets the best of us as it is the last thing we want to see. 


a
As you likely noticed daughter Carrie is more into activity rather than writing.   The family does not object to your questions.  If we can answer them, we will.
Yes, Amber is now, finally, on the FBI list..after Moe called, I wrote...odd how it got posted after the fact was mentioned in SM!  FYI the FBI facts are troublesome. Escondido LE was adamant that we not mention the ring I bought Amber in Dublin...it was to be holdback information. We did not.  Yet the FBI writes about it in great detail. Other details also fail to match EPD reports. As a trial lawyer, I find this inconsistency troubling. As a Grandmom, I find it sickens me.

We will have a Gathering and Prayer Vigil on Saturday, JUne 13, 1:00 p.m. at Amber's Search Center, 755 N. Quince Street, Escondido, CA 92025. I hope that some of you will join us. Marc Klaas, a true hero in the search was missing children and a great friend to our family,  will be our speaker. Please speak with me if you are there.  Thanks.
AG

   


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 07, 2009, 01:19:54 PM
AG thank you for the update.  For those who have not seen the FBI description it can be found at http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/dubois_a.htm

I wish I was not so far away and could attend and help with the searches.  All I can do is try to get information up here that may be of some help to take to police.  I am hoping that you have had a meeting with the FBI and discussed with them the inconsistencies of local LE approach and information to be held back and why they have realeased some of it.  Now that the description of the ring is out could you perhaps provide a picture of it?

I pray for Amber to come home soon and for the family to remain strong.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on June 07, 2009, 09:53:45 PM
In reference to my sister Carrie's posts and that of my Mom - please continue to ask any and every question that comes to mind.  We will respond as we are able to - please also realize - we incorporate your brainstorming into the total collective.  A "non-response" does not necessarily mean - non-action!  The only "dumb questions" are those that are not asked.

Go Monkeys  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on June 07, 2009, 10:20:10 PM
ESCONDIDO, Calif. -- 10News has learned that the maroon pickup truck wanted in connection with the disappearance of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois in February is apparently not the same vehicle linked to child molestations at two local Wal-Mart stores.

Surveillance video of a parking lot at Escondido High School showed a 4-door maroon pickup truck moving in and out of the lot around the same time Amber vanished on February 13.

The truck was never seen before or since.

A man wanted in connection with child molestations at Wal-Marts in Kearny Mesa and College Grove last month left in a similar 4-door maroon truck.

After close examination, Escondido police said the two trucks do not appear to be the same but they can't be sure until they see them in person.


http://www.10news.com/news/19669229/detail.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 07, 2009, 10:37:28 PM
ESCONDIDO, Calif. -- 10News has learned that the maroon pickup truck wanted in connection with the disappearance of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois in February is apparently not the same vehicle linked to child molestations at two local Wal-Mart stores.

Surveillance video of a parking lot at Escondido High School showed a 4-door maroon pickup truck moving in and out of the lot around the same time Amber vanished on February 13.

The truck was never seen before or since.

A man wanted in connection with child molestations at Wal-Marts in Kearny Mesa and College Grove last month left in a similar 4-door maroon truck.

After close examination, Escondido police said the two trucks do not appear to be the same but they can't be sure until they see them in person.


http://www.10news.com/news/19669229/detail.html

Thank you Ctmacla.  So the truck was never seen before or since.  We need to look at this truck closer and see if there are related incidents with a maroon or red truck.  I am still looking at blotters as well as other incident reports for the area.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 07, 2009, 10:51:56 PM
Possibly the Auburn incodent where a red 4 door truck tried to abduct a girl but failed..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 07, 2009, 11:40:35 PM
March 26, 2009
Attempted abduction reported on Woodland High campus
From Chelsea Phua:

Woodland police are looking for a man who attacked and attempted to abduct a 14-year-old Woodland High School student Thursday afternoon.

The girl was walking between classes about 2 p.m. on the school campus, 21 N West St., when a man grabbed her and began to pull her away, police said.

She yelled for help and her friend, who was walking ahead of her, turned around and began striking the man repeatedly with her backpack. The man eventually released the girl and fled on foot. The girl was not injured.

The attacker is described as a dark-skinned Hispanic or light-skinned black man. He is 30 to 35 years old, between 6-foot and 6-foot-5, thin with medium to broad shoulders and has very short curly hair, big eyes, thick eyebrows and a thin moustache. He was wearing a white T-shirt, dark jeans and tennis shoes, police said.

Police are planning to release a composite sketch of the attacker when it is available.
Authorities are reminding students to be aware of their surroundings, travel with friends and immediately report any suspicious persons to a school or police official.

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/crime/archives/021072.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 07, 2009, 11:47:32 PM
Cops Seek Orangevale School Attempted Kidnapper
Posted By: C. Johnson     16 days ago

ORANGEVALE, CA - Authorities want to make parents and children aware of an attempted child abduction at an Orangevale elementary school Wednesday afternoon.

An 8-year-old girl was leaving the school restroom at Green Oaks Fundamental Elementary School at 2:54 p.m. after classes when a man came up to her and grabbed her, said Sgt. Tim Curran, Sacramento County Sheriff's Department spokesman. The girl told deputies she broke free and the man ran off.

Curran said investigators are concerned the suspect could try to strike again. "Just the brazenness of the attack, or the attempt, he actually came on campus during daylight hours and tried to grab this little girl," said Curran.

Parents were notified of the attack with a phone message yesterday evening. "It's scary, it's very scary," said Lisa Billings. "My daughter personally is in the individuals classroom it's just to close to home."

The man was described as about 5 feet - 10 inches tall, 150 to 170 pounds with dark gray hair. He was wearing red, knee-length shorts.

Green Oaks Fundamental is located at 7145 Filbert Avenue.

A school safety deputy and school district personnel spoke to students on campus Thursday about staying safe.

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=59701&provider=top


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 08, 2009, 12:13:18 AM
Predator Targeting Girls Near Elk Grove School
December 18, 2007

Authorities say a predator is targeting young girls near an Elk Grove middle school.

There have been several reports of a man trying to lure girls near a Target parking lot on Calvine and Bruceville Roads in South Sacramento.

Three girls at Edward Harris Middle School say they’ve been approached or followed by a man in a minivan.

In the latest incident, the man drove up to a girl in the parking lot of the Target store. Police say he then asked her an ‘inappropriate’ question.

Some parents are worried after getting letters from the Elk Grove school district warning them of the potential danger.

The suspect is described as a black man in his mid- thirties and has no facial hair.

He’s been driving a shiny blue minivan with rusting rims.

http://pervwatch.wordpress.com/2007/12/18/predator-targeting-girls-near-elk-grove-school/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 08, 2009, 12:21:03 AM
Wednesday, May 6, 2009
Murrieta men arrested in attempted child abduction

Two men have been arrested in connection with an attempted child abduction in Murrieta on Friday.

According to the Murrieta Police Department, a 12-year-old girl walking home from Shivela Middle School just before 4 p.m. on Friday was near Symphony Park Lane and Sunflower Drive when she was approached by two men who asked her name, age and where she lived. When one man asked if she wanted to go with them, she turned and started to walk back to the school. One man jumped in front of her and held out his arms, forcing her to back into the second man, who lightly held her. The girl broke free and ran to a nearby home , hoping the suspects would think it was her home. She hid as the men walked away, then ran home and reported the incident to her grandfather.

On Sunday, the girl’s grandfather saw the suspects walk past his home and called police, who detained Kenneth Morris, 25, of Murrieta; he was pointed out in a lineup as the man who tried to grab the girl. Morris was arrested for annoying or molesting a child and attempted child abduction.

The second suspect was identified as Caesar Walle, 20, of Murrieta, who lives near Shivela Middle School. He was also arrested for annoying or molesting a child and attempted child abduction.

http://www.instantriverside.com/riverside-ca-news/murrieta-men-arrested-in-attempted-child-abduction/2009/05/06/



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 08, 2009, 12:36:08 AM
Kenneth Morris has priors but I can not find them
Arrest Charges
Count Charge Severity Description Violation Date Plea Status

1  PC 647.6(C)(2)  F  Annoy/Molest Children W/Specific Prior Felony Conviction    05/03/2009     
Filed Charges
Count Charge Severity Description Violation Date Plea Status

1  PC 664/207(A)  F  Attempted Kidnapping  05/03/2009    ACTIVE 
FBI Number:        Business Address:     
CII Number:  A12356579      Business City:     
         Business State:     
         Business Zip:     
Hair Color:  BRO           
Eye Color:  BRO      Month/Year of Birth:  01/1984       
Height:  5' 9"           
Weight:  150      Date To Pay:     
Home Address:                                 Extended To:     
Home City:         Monthly Min. Payment:     
Home State:               


Walle Jr. Cesar:
Arrest Charges
Count Charge Severity Description Violation Date Plea Status

1  PC 664/207(A)  F  Attempted Kidnapping  05/03/2009     
Filed Charges
Count Charge Severity Description Violation Date Plea Status

1  PC 664/207(A)  F  Attempted Kidnapping  05/03/2009    ACTIVE 

FBI Number:        Business Address:     
CII Number:  A28423365      Business City:     
         Business State:     
         Business Zip:     
Hair Color:  BLK           
Eye Color:  BRO      Month/Year of Birth:  11/1988       
Height:  5' 9"           
Weight:  150      Date To Pay:     
Home Address:                                 Extended To:     
Home City:         Monthly Min. Payment:     
Home State:               



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 08, 2009, 12:57:22 AM
Tuesday, May 5th, 2009.
Issue 19, Volume 9.


MURRIETA - Attempted kidnapping charges were filed today against two men accused of targeting a 12-year-old girl as she walked home from school in Murrieta.

Kenneth Ray Morris, 25, who was arrested Saturday, pleaded not guilty to the felony charge this afternoon and had his bail set at $1 million. He was ordered back to court May 13 for a felony settlement conference. A preliminary hearing was tentatively set for May 18.

Morris' 20-year-old co-defendant, Cesar Walle, was arrested Monday.

Walle, who lives near the girl's school, is scheduled to be arraigned on Thursday.

Morris allegedly went up to the youngster as she was walking home from Shivela Middle School, near Symphony Park Lane and Sunflower Drive, about 3:50 p.m. last Friday, according to Murrieta police Sgt. Jim Ganley.

Morris and Walle allegedly spoke to the girl, asking where she lived and whether she wanted to come with them, Ganley said.

When she did not answer and turned around to go back to the school, one of the men allegedly ran in front of her, making her back up and into the arms of the other man, who put his hands on her shoulders, Ganley said.

The girl shrugged the man's hands off of her and ran to a nearby house, where she hid until the suspects left. When she got home, her family called police.

On Saturday, the girl's grandfather called police after she spotted the suspects walking past his house.

http://www.myvalleynews.com/story/37617/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 08, 2009, 01:07:26 AM
Monday, February 23, 2009
Man tried to lure 10-year-old boy into SUV
Man tried to get boy into his car in Ladera Ranch after seeing him playing, authorities say.
By SALVADOR HERNANDEZ and JOHN CRANDALL
The Orange County Register
Comments 149| Recommend 18

LADERA RANCH – A man in his 30s tried to lure a 10-year-old boy into his SUV by inviting him to go to a party on Sunday afternoon, authorities said.

The boy talked briefly with the man, then became frightened and ran to his house and his parents, said Jim Amormino, spokesman for the Orange County Sheriff's Department.

This morning, authorities released a sketch of the man who tried to lure the boy in the 30 block of Downing Street. He was described as in his 30s, with blond or light brown hair and a goatee, wearing a black T-shirt with the word "Quiksilver" on it and an earring in his right ear.

Authorities said the man might have been spotted in the area the day before the attempted abduction and that he may be living in or familiar with the area.

The attempted abduction occurred Sunday at about 12:45 p.m., shortly after the boy finished playing with other kids in the neighborhood, Amormino said. The man drove up in a light-colored SUV, possibly a Ford Explorer, and started talking to the boy about playing with other kids.

"Then he asked the kid if he wanted to go to a party," Amormino said. "At that point is when the kid became frightened and called his parents."

The day before that incident, a woman in the same neighborhood had noticed a man with the same description acting suspiciously, Amormino said.

"She just got a feeling that something wasn't right," he said.

The man was near the greenbelt when the attempted abduction took place, Amormino said, and the woman described a man in his 30s inside a light-colored SUV.

An unincorporated community in south Orange County with curved streets and numerous cul-de-sacs, Ladera Ranch is not an easy place to maneuver through, Amormino said. A person unfamiliar with the area can easily get lost in the community.

If the man was spotted in the community two days in a row, it could be a sign that he lives in the area or is very familiar with making his way through the residential streets.

"If there's a strange vehicle, we notice," said Randy Harrison, a sales manager who has lived in Ladera Ranch for more than five years.

Charlie Gugliuzza, an attorney who has lived in the community for about three years near where the man was spotted said he will keep a closer eye on his children.

"It's very disturbing, without question," he said.

Investigators are going through lists of registered sex offenders and are asking the public's help in identifying the man. Anyone with information is asked to call 866-TIP-OCSD or 866-847-6273.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/amormino-boy-area-2315738-through-suspect


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 08, 2009, 01:12:17 AM
Suspect Sought In Attempted Child Abduction
Posted: Feb 04, 2009 8:39 PM MST

Police are seeking a man who attempted to abduct a child at gunpoint in Black Mountain Ranch.
According to a letter sent to parents from Willow Grove Elementary, the incident happened just after 4 p.m. on Tuesday on Via Fiesta. The 11-year-old girl was reportedly approached by an armed man, screamed and ran away. The man returned to his vehicle and left the area.

The man is described as Hispanic, approximately 30 years old with a heavy build. He was wearing a short-sleeved shirt and driving an older-model light blue sports car with a black top. The vehicle had rust spots, tinted windows and a small back window framed in black.

Officials at Willow Grove Elementary put the school on lockdown following the incident.

San Diego police were working on a composite sketch of the suspect

http://www.cbs8.com/global/story.asp?s=9791621


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 08, 2009, 01:21:47 AM
Is Porterville too far north?

There were several attempted abductions there starting in 2007.

Edward how was your trip?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 08, 2009, 01:25:57 AM
Posted on: Wednesday, 15 February 2006, 12:00 CST

By Katherine Rosenberg

ight Ridder/Tribune Business News

Feb. 15--APPLE VALLEY -- One minute a local 16-year-old high school student was walking home from school as usual and moments later she was running for her life. She dropped her books. She ran so fast that her shoes came off. And eventually she was safe from the man who had tried relentlessly to coax her into his vehicle. Around 1 p.m. Friday the girl, whose name is not being released, was walking home from Willow Park High School in the area of Navajo and Bear Valley roads when a man stopped his vehicle near her and told her to get in with him, according to a letter from Apple Valley Unified School District Superintendent Steven Webb that was sent home with students this week. The letter is not the first of its kind to be sent out, as the same situation has happened to other Apple Valley students over the past seven months. Webb said that because Willow Park is an alternative school students are not required to attend classes on Friday. Should they choose to attend for additional support on a Friday as the victim did, they are released earlier than other schools. The stranger was described as a black male, about 35 years old with a bald head, a goatee, and one lazy eye. He was last seen wearing black pants and shiny brown shoes. The vehicle was described as a green Chevrolet Suburban, slightly lifted, with black running boards and chrome wheels. Each wheel well has a chrome strip, the letter said. "The driver said, 'Come here,' but she paid him no attention. Then she saw him pull up behind her and she started running. She said he got out of the car and started running after her," Trish Hill, spokeswoman for the Apple Valley Sheriff's station said. The Sheriff's Department is assisting the Apple Valley School Police Department, which is the primary investigating agency. "She made it to the 7-11 to call the cops, but it doesn't say if she ever saw him get back into his car," Hill said. The letter from Webb said the man drove northbound on Navajo Road in his vehicle. Anyone who has information on the identity and whereabouts of the suspect is urged to contact the Apple Valley Sheriff's station or WeTip at (800) 78-CRIME. WeTip informants are eligible for up to $1,000 reward if their information leads to an arrest and conviction.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/technology/392335/letter_alerts_parents_attempted_abduction_of_willow_park_student_the/index.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 08, 2009, 01:57:08 AM
trip was good.... ::MonkeyCool::

thank you for the reports northern rose


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on June 08, 2009, 05:51:31 PM
trip was good.... ::MonkeyCool::

thank you for the reports northern rose

Edward, I wasn't clear about your timeline for your trip to this area ( san diego) but if you want any help or company checking out any spots you can email me thru Klaas, if our schedules worked out.
  janet


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 09, 2009, 12:23:35 AM
Thanks mizjay

I am working on my plan..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: mizjay on June 09, 2009, 12:45:03 AM
Tuesday, May 5th, 2009.
Issue 19, Volume 9.


MURRIETA - Attempted kidnapping charges were filed today against two men accused of targeting a 12-year-old girl as she walked home from school in Murrieta.

Kenneth Ray Morris, 25, who was arrested Saturday, pleaded not guilty to the felony charge this afternoon and had his bail set at $1 million. He was ordered back to court May 13 for a felony settlement conference. A preliminary hearing was tentatively set for May 18.

Morris' 20-year-old co-defendant, Cesar Walle, was arrested Monday.

Walle, who lives near the girl's school, is scheduled to be arraigned on Thursday.

Morris allegedly went up to the youngster as she was walking home from Shivela Middle School, near Symphony Park Lane and Sunflower Drive, about 3:50 p.m. last Friday, according to Murrieta police Sgt. Jim Ganley.

Morris and Walle allegedly spoke to the girl, asking where she lived and whether she wanted to come with them, Ganley said.

When she did not answer and turned around to go back to the school, one of the men allegedly ran in front of her, making her back up and into the arms of the other man, who put his hands on her shoulders, Ganley said.

The girl shrugged the man's hands off of her and ran to a nearby house, where she hid until the suspects left. When she got home, her family called police.

On Saturday, the girl's grandfather called police after she spotted the suspects walking past his house.

http://www.myvalleynews.com/story/37617/

  MUrietta, just right up the 15, very close in the big picture. Brazen fools, I wonder if they are responsible for any other abductions, including this one.  Our only clue, north cell tower, would certainly be on the way to Murietta. Hoping for a break. Amber deserves it and her family deserves it.   :smt049


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: ChiChi on June 09, 2009, 02:13:51 AM
Welcome Ambers Mom,

My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.  Many nights I go to bed thinking, wondering, about these missing children.  I do not know how you do it, but I suppose you have no choice.  You must go on, fighting, searching for her.  Perhaps there is something or some research that you all need to do, but do not have enough time or people to do it?  Please let the monkeys know and there are many who would like to help you.  I pray that Amber comes home to you again soon.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 09, 2009, 02:18:15 PM
Tuesday, May 5th, 2009.
Issue 19, Volume 9.


MURRIETA - Attempted kidnapping charges were filed today against two men accused of targeting a 12-year-old girl as she walked home from school in Murrieta.

Kenneth Ray Morris, 25, who was arrested Saturday, pleaded not guilty to the felony charge this afternoon and had his bail set at $1 million. He was ordered back to court May 13 for a felony settlement conference. A preliminary hearing was tentatively set for May 18.

Morris' 20-year-old co-defendant, Cesar Walle, was arrested Monday.

Walle, who lives near the girl's school, is scheduled to be arraigned on Thursday.

Morris allegedly went up to the youngster as she was walking home from Shivela Middle School, near Symphony Park Lane and Sunflower Drive, about 3:50 p.m. last Friday, according to Murrieta police Sgt. Jim Ganley.

Morris and Walle allegedly spoke to the girl, asking where she lived and whether she wanted to come with them, Ganley said.

When she did not answer and turned around to go back to the school, one of the men allegedly ran in front of her, making her back up and into the arms of the other man, who put his hands on her shoulders, Ganley said.

The girl shrugged the man's hands off of her and ran to a nearby house, where she hid until the suspects left. When she got home, her family called police.

On Saturday, the girl's grandfather called police after she spotted the suspects walking past his house.

http://www.myvalleynews.com/story/37617/

  MUrietta, just right up the 15, very close in the big picture. Brazen fools, I wonder if they are responsible for any other abductions, including this one.  Our only clue, north cell tower, would certainly be on the way to Murietta. Hoping for a break. Amber deserves it and her family deserves it.   :smt049

I wonder if these men have been asked about their wear abouts on Feb 13th.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 09, 2009, 02:50:19 PM
San Diego
Redondo beach
Escondido
San Bernadino
Auburn

White van
Red Pick up
Blue Bronco

2 men
Various attempted kidnaps

actual Kidnaps .. 1 Boy and 1 woman
Murder 1 woman .. disposal 10-15 miles direct east of san bernadino along side of a road
No witness.. To woman kidnap..No witness to Amber kidnap.

The white car who drives by the red truck in the bus parking lot does not see anything in the red truck.. Nobody sees the red truck go out of the driveway .. No left or right direction ??
 It is one of our only hopes.
The cell phone north of Escondido means the perp is somehow local enough to be overnight in the area.. Knows the area..

The kids in the area seem oblivious,, even the new queens of escondido ? they support kidnap victims in Africa.. oh well.. ::MonkeyRoll::

We have a stabbing by teens who stab a girl in her home and walk away from there victim with no concern.. ?? astounding

Still I think the 2 men are the culprits in Ambers case.... Or at least that is all I have so far.
They have connections in San Bernadino because 2 of there crimes go right through that city.. The boy kidnap and the woman.
She is dead and he was found in Mexicali, showing they know how to get across the border.


Other then that be careful turning corners with horse trailers in escondido. One flipped over.


So far all search areas say north to me.. and since I myself believe in patterns of behavior and ANYWHERE is not good enough for me..



Just posting thoughts and my currant frustration list..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 09, 2009, 03:06:21 PM
I include Auburn because of the comparison of photos/sketches done by members of scared monkeys that appear to match the f.b.i. photos of wanted men in the abduction of the 3 year old boy.
The auburn incident was an attempted kidnap..witness gave information that developed the sketch and it was a red 4 door pick up..

Also if it is considered that his Auburn incident happens after the disappearance of Amber then the route would go through san bernadio and to stay off the main highway system they would or could go through victorville and up 395 all the way into Reno before coming back down through Auburn and high tailing it on 5 all the way down to the border where they are now feeling safe as the boy was released..
I wonder if the boy knows anything because it appears they had him or possibly left him at a safe house..possibly north of Escondido.. ?? Farm worker or drug related people ??

I hope that boy is being protected..
jmho


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 09, 2009, 03:41:01 PM
Correction to say the Auburn incident happens after Amber and after the abduction of the 3 year old ..

with the woman kidnapped from redondo beach, it would appear she was dead not long after the abduction.. So that has to be considered. The culprits returned the vehicle back to redondo beach..

I would have to consider that same area where she was found a search area.
The lake northwest of escondido also, as it is within the range of the cell phone being turned on. It is a park with 2 roads for entry and exit and it has a rural entry and exit from the back side.

The cell phone being turned on the next day indicates Amber gave her password info to the culprits or she is alive and did it herself..
I have no way of knowing which one .. She could still be alive..
We have seen it go both ways over the years.. but after 4 months, alive is a slim chance.
It has happened.

What are the Odds??
I would think 75 percent not alive. 25 percent alive at this time.
I am not a betting man myself. I just keep doing research and hope and pray for the best.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 09, 2009, 04:00:08 PM
The only reason I post all of those thoughts is to get your thoughts..
Feel free


Also, a large group of people are slicing and dicing my plans for next week.  One of them is my other half.. ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyWink::
Anyways I will be on an island off the coast down there for a week but it appears my truck is being turned into a pack mule or I am being turned into a pack mule..  ::MonkeyTongue::
One way or the other I will probably have to make another trip down to do a search.

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on June 09, 2009, 04:40:46 PM
San Diego
Redondo beach
Escondido
San Bernadino
Auburn

White van
Red Pick up
Blue Bronco

2 men
Various attempted kidnaps

actual Kidnaps .. 1 Boy and 1 woman
Murder 1 woman .. disposal 10-15 miles direct east of san bernadino along side of a road
No witness.. To woman kidnap..No witness to Amber kidnap.

The white car who drives by the red truck in the bus parking lot does not see anything in the red truck.. Nobody sees the red truck go out of the driveway .. No left or right direction ??
 It is one of our only hopes.
The cell phone north of Escondido means the perp is somehow local enough to be overnight in the area.. Knows the area..

The kids in the area seem oblivious,, even the new queens of escondido ? they support kidnap victims in Africa.. oh well.. ::MonkeyRoll::

We have a stabbing by teens who stab a girl in her home and walk away from there victim with no concern.. ?? astounding

Still I think the 2 men are the culprits in Ambers case.... Or at least that is all I have so far.
They have connections in San Bernadino because 2 of there crimes go right through that city.. The boy kidnap and the woman.
She is dead and he was found in Mexicali, showing they know how to get across the border.


Other then that be careful turning corners with horse trailers in escondido. One flipped over.


So far all search areas say north to me.. and since I myself believe in patterns of behavior and ANYWHERE is not good enough for me..



Just posting thoughts and my currant frustration list..


Edward... I am glad you are back.  We missed you to keep us focused and working. ::MonkeyWink::

I did a quick look for Murrieta and for the geographically challenged like me, it is 36 miles from Escondido.  The guys and their method look like good suspects to me too.

What do I make of the current situation?   

Fact:  Amber is missing.  Mom, GM and a friend talked with her before school.

Fact:  Cell phone ping in N. Escondido.

That is that.

About habits of criminals, I'm no expert but It seems to me  a large leap from fondling 4 yr olds in stores,  or little boys either, to abducting full grown girls.  Just does not  sound like the same obsession to me.    Or the same criminal business.   

The red truck may have been a good lead, but that is now too late, but might as well keep looking anyway.   And include the  favorite, old white van.

Differing views of LE and FBI in seeing no evidence of stranger abduction and family convinced it was.  This could indicate many things, one of which is that LE knew early in the case what had happened and is just waiting for evidence or something to slip.   This would account for what looks to us like a very slow reaction and not as much searching by LE as we would expect.   

These ever expanding search areas must hit a wall soon.  It is impossible to foot search the entire U.S. and Mexico.  Maybe a new approach?   Of course we don't know what the theory is,  or what has been searched.  We only know the results.   How about looking at every cabin, hut and cave near a drivable trail within 10 miles north?  Something along those lines is one idea.   Renting helicopter for speed? 

Edward, I agree that a criminal trying to force walk, drag or carry a 140 lb teenager far into the wilds sounds very unlikely.   Near a road or trail would be much more like it.   Even then I'm not sure what his point would be.  Escondido looks to have many hidden places of it's own. 

If it is "odd", that I still dwell on Amber, that is not my intention.   She is the age I taught years ago, and at such a difficult age.  My heart  breaks for her.  Let's try again to get this discussion moving.   

This is for Amber.

Chi-M


















Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 09, 2009, 04:50:19 PM
Edward is Porterville too far north?  I found a series of attempted abduction cases in front of the same school there.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 09, 2009, 05:24:15 PM
I think Portorville is still within the area of concern..



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: klaasend on June 09, 2009, 05:25:07 PM
Edward is Porterville too far north?  I found a series of attempted abduction cases in front of the same school there.

A = Escondido, B = Porterville

Estimated Time: 4 hours 35 minutes Estimated Distance: 272.72 miles

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/PortervilleEscondido.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 09, 2009, 06:10:34 PM
what is in the water in south California ?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I am not an expert..but
I do not think the molester at the walmart is the same guy..
I do not think the 250 lb male zip ties the girls neck and put her in the trunk with the brother saving her is the same guy.. Although demeanor is frightening.. Absolutely, I did a street view on that street and all around the area.. Nice area.. Scary

It may very well be that these attempted abductions in Porterville are not the same guy/s that got Amber..

But I think all such articles from in and around the area are worth looking at..
Auburn is next to Sacramento..But the Sketch and photo comparison can't be ignored. It is just too close. So Redondo beach and Auburn seem to link..
We may find a link in other places..

Look behind me..I still have one hand on Williams neck.. ::MonkeyWink::  maybe he did an isolated act of rape on the 16 year old.. but an early morning public attack is rare.
So we have to keep an eye on all currant crimes.. So we can make a logical thought..

I wish we had more on this case..
With kids these day you just do not know.. When Sawn was found and the other boy it really makes a person wonder.. He even emailed his parents at there non profit organization they had set up. The step dad was amazed.. I was amazed at the step dad.. I wont go into that..

All I know is that Ambers family needs help and Amber Leeann Dubois needs to be found.
jmho


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 09, 2009, 06:18:08 PM
As far as searches go..

Searchers found a local girl in my area that went missing, Christina Williams in an area I had marked out as possible.. No Dogs, just people searching. 10 Years ago

In contrast
Searchers walked right past a ranger women who was murdered by the same man named Steiner that murdered the "Sund" Mom and daughter and there friend.. One of my associates was on that search, he could not believe they missed her body.. They had dogs..still missed her.

Put just a tiny pin mark on a map of Escondido and that is a search area for a fifty people for a day. How many pin marks does it take to fill a map..?

Or, take a local map of Escondido ..with a marker, mark out every place she would NOT be.. school grounds ..downtown.. housing areas.. open parking, open fields and leave only the possible search areas.
 Then put a tiny pin spot on one of the areas left open, it would still take years to search all the possible areas.

I was 2 mountain tops away from where Steve faucet was found and I may as well been a million miles away, but on any California map I look like I was really close. Other searchers were down near Mohave searching ..
A lone hiker found Steve and his plane.

I am just trying to narrow the search areas down to a more logical area.. One of my concerns is this..The cell phone the next day, they kept her alive and then took off .. San Bernadino seems to be a spot these 2 males liked.. but then after that if they drove off to Reno for other business and took Amber with them.. The search area becomes huge..

We searched for people off of 395 before. If you think searching Escondido seems overwhelming , well 395 is very overwhelming..
The desert floor through Victorville all the way to Reno is a hard search..

"Anywhere" like one search team leader suggested is just not acceptable to me.. The search area has to be narrowed down to Logic.

Most of the time average people stumble across bodies while out walking around..
Sad but true.

Horses are great for live and lost missing people ..They make noise..You sit high, searchers are very visible and you can move fast and conserve human energy in-case you have to work to save a person. as well as horses offer transportation for a live hurt victim if needed.
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 09, 2009, 07:29:41 PM
Can somebody with some talent put a couple of google map images up for us..

1. use Redondo Beach to Running Springs ..

2.  Escondido to Reno via 15 through San Bernadino through Victorville across the desert floor and up through highway 395 to Carson city and into Reno.

3. one more from Reno down through Auburn Ca. come down freeway 5 all the way to what ever direct method to the border and into Mexicali.

One of these days I will figure out how to do this..
Google does not cooperate with me..  ::MonkeyWink::

Thank You


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 09, 2009, 07:30:19 PM
3 different maps..
t/y


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on June 09, 2009, 07:42:26 PM

Edward..Sounds like you are a very experienced and well trained searcher.  My hat's off to you.  Guess I just think the chances of foot searchers finding an alive Amber out in the wild country are very slim, and slimmer for a body.  Because we cannot know her situation, I think they should  search places for her alive.   I really do think she may be alive and held by someone in or near Escondido.   

This situation is a little different in that no one witnessed an abduction and there is no known crime scene.   The abductor could be family acquaintance, and if so may be volunteering or otherwise insinuated into the search.   Of course I hope not, but there is no way to know.  I only trust that family has considered that possibility, unpleasant though it is. 

By the way I love horses and riding.   Not so fond of horses on mtn trails.   Also, then I'd have to worry about the horses too?   

Let's keep thinking.  Bring Amber home alive!

Chi-M

 



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on June 09, 2009, 07:46:41 PM
Can somebody with some talent put a couple of google map images up for us..

1. use Redondo Beach to Running Springs ..

2.  Escondido to Reno via 15 through San Bernadino through Victorville across the desert floor and up through highway 395 to Carson city and into Reno.

3. one more from Reno down through Auburn Ca. come down freeway 5 all the way to what ever direct method to the border and into Mexicali.

One of these days I will figure out how to do this..
Google does not cooperate with me..  ::MonkeyWink::

Thank You

I agree with you on Google not cooperating. ::MonkeyHaHa::
For an hour I have tried to put a map up, but I'm not even close. 

Thanks. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 09, 2009, 08:33:54 PM
Chi Monkey
If Amber is alive we need Amber to help us find Amber.. mo.
If you are correct on the thought that somebody familiar with the family has her.

The other day a pizza delivery guy saved a woman who had been kidnapped by a man who knew her..
The culprit ordered pizza and the woman waved her hands in the background showing the pizza delivery guy her tied up hands.. He left and called the police..


Amber's family has had the water meter readers and the electric company as well as the post office people keeping there eyes open..

Somebody mentioned her taken to Mexico.. It may not be a case of human trafficking..
If so she could be alive living on some out of the way ranch .. taken as wife.
A 14 year old as wife would not be uncommon in Mexico as a young virgin is a desired item by south of the border males from Mexico to Argentina.. It is a belief system.. driven by religious beliefs.
 Fair skinned Mexicans are very common in mexico and fair skin is sign of higher class.  Redheads are also common in Mexico. She would not look out of place except for her ability to communicate. Does she speak fluent Spanish ? there are many dialects of Spanish spoken in Mexico.. Spanish at one end of Mexico is not the same Spanish as spoken at the other.
I traveled in Mexico for years.. 

Thanks for giving the maps a try.. ::MonkeyCool::

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on June 09, 2009, 08:55:19 PM
If we are looking at all types of crime in and around Escondido, I thought this may help. This teenage boy might have been killed because he knew information. He was a reformed gang member. His death was a little over a week from the date Amber went missing.


Escondido Family Creates Website to Catch Teen's Killer

ESCONDIDO - The family of a slain Escondido teenager has launched a Web site to help find his killer, it was reported Wednesday.

Julian Rodriguez, 17, was fatally stabbed at a party on Felicita Avenue in Escondido on Feb. 22. His family recently launched www.findjulianskiller.com to help find his killer, The North County Times reported.

Visitors to the Web site can view pictures of Rodriguez, share their memories of him and leave anonymous tips about what happened the night he died. A $10,000 reward is being offered for information leading to the arrest and conviction of Rodriguez's killer, according to the Web site.

Two days before his death, Rodriguez, a reformed gang member, championed education as an alternative to gangs at a conference for high school students at Cal State San Marcos.

"It was just devastating," Arcela Nunez-Alvarez, faculty adviser for the MEChA High School conference held Feb. 20 at the university, told the Times. "It was so ironic, this turn of events for this kid who had just made such a moving presentation."

Rodriguez told students at the conference that he realized education was important after he and his family moved to Riverside County and away from his gang ties in San Marcos about two years ago, the Times reported.

His father, Raul Rodriguez, told the newspaper he's heard his son had been at the party for only about 10 minutes and was calling to be picked up because he didn't like the crowd he saw there when the stabbing occurred.

Escondido police Det. Greg Gaye told the Times that as many as 50 people were at the party but most seem reluctant to talk.

There appears to be a gang element to the killing but it's unclear how significant it was, Gaye told the newspaper.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 09, 2009, 09:21:59 PM
If we are looking at all types of crime in and around Escondido, I thought this may help. This teenage boy might have been killed because he knew information. He was a reformed gang member. His death was a little over a week from the date Amber went missing.


Escondido Family Creates Website to Catch Teen's Killer

ESCONDIDO - The family of a slain Escondido teenager has launched a Web site to help find his killer, it was reported Wednesday.

Julian Rodriguez, 17, was fatally stabbed at a party on Felicita Avenue in Escondido on Feb. 22. His family recently launched www.findjulianskiller.com to help find his killer, The North County Times reported.

Visitors to the Web site can view pictures of Rodriguez, share their memories of him and leave anonymous tips about what happened the night he died. A $10,000 reward is being offered for information leading to the arrest and conviction of Rodriguez's killer, according to the Web site.

Two days before his death, Rodriguez, a reformed gang member, championed education as an alternative to gangs at a conference for high school students at Cal State San Marcos.

"It was just devastating," Arcela Nunez-Alvarez, faculty adviser for the MEChA High School conference held Feb. 20 at the university, told the Times. "It was so ironic, this turn of events for this kid who had just made such a moving presentation."

Rodriguez told students at the conference that he realized education was important after he and his family moved to Riverside County and away from his gang ties in San Marcos about two years ago, the Times reported.

His father, Raul Rodriguez, told the newspaper he's heard his son had been at the party for only about 10 minutes and was calling to be picked up because he didn't like the crowd he saw there when the stabbing occurred.

Escondido police Det. Greg Gaye told the Times that as many as 50 people were at the party but most seem reluctant to talk.

There appears to be a gang element to the killing but it's unclear how significant it was, Gaye told the newspaper.

THEY wont stand up..
 ALL of them are living in the GANG mindset, it is generational.
Anyone who talks is considered a snitch, like in prison and somebody will kill them for speaking up.
jmho 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 09, 2009, 09:29:20 PM
Thank you so much for posting this article ctmacla.

There has been the thought ever since the teens stabbed a girl in her home that Amber may have been a victim of a GANG.
Girls of these gangs are just as dangerous as the boys..
If Amber upset one of them she very well could have been targeted.
Nobody would ever say a word if that did in fact happen.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on June 09, 2009, 10:08:35 PM
Thank you so much for posting this article ctmacla.

There has been the thought ever since the teens stabbed a girl in her home that Amber may have been a victim of a GANG.
Girls of these gangs are just as dangerous as the boys..
If Amber upset one of them she very well could have been targeted.
Nobody would ever say a word if that did in fact happen.


Agreed.  These teen girls are frightening.  No sense, no conscience and no respect for anything or anyone.  Not necessarily even gangs if you remember in Texas the teens headed for Air Force Acad. and West Point who killed a classmate.  Just crazy. 



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 10, 2009, 12:02:55 AM
I include Auburn because of the comparison of photos/sketches done by members of scared monkeys that appear to match the f.b.i. photos of wanted men in the abduction of the 3 year old boy.
The auburn incident was an attempted kidnap..witness gave information that developed the sketch and it was a red 4 door pick up..

Also if it is considered that his Auburn incident happens after the disappearance of Amber then the route would go through san bernadio and to stay off the main highway system they would or could go through victorville and up 395 all the way into Reno before coming back down through Auburn and high tailing it on 5 all the way down to the border where they are now feeling safe as the boy was released..
I wonder if the boy knows anything because it appears they had him or possibly left him at a safe house..possibly north of Escondido.. ?? Farm worker or drug related people ??

I hope that boy is being protected..
jmho
Edward these sketches are so similar it is scary. I can see if one matched but both do which really narrows it down in my opinion.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on June 10, 2009, 02:50:40 AM
California man pleads guilty for downloading child porn over Boise hotel network
BY PATRICK ORR - porr@idahostatesman.com
Published: 06/09/09

Dale Gilbert, 60, will spend the next decade on probation and register as a sex offender for life.

He was originally charged with nine counts of sexual exploitation of a child when he was arrested in October, but seven of those charges were dropped Tuesday as part of a plea agreement with Ada County prosecutors.

Prosecutors are recommending a suspended 10-year prison sentence, where Gilbert will have to undergo sex offender treatment, and can ask for him to have to spend up to 180 days in jail.

Fourth District Judge Ronald Wilper will sentence Gilbert on Aug. 4.

Boise police began investigating Gilbert, an Escondido, Calif., resident who was working in Boise working as a contractor for Idaho Department of Correction, in June 2008 after being contacted by hotel management. A guest staying at the same Boise hotel on Vista Avenue logged into the wireless Internet system and noticed an open public folder in iTunes.

But the guest didn't discover music they could listen to for free, a feature available in the popular music library program. Instead, the guest discovered someone downloading child pornography, according to Boise police reports.

After noticing the pornography, the guest called hotel management. Hotel officials called police.

Officers served a search warrant and found the computer in Gilbert's room in the process of downloading additional child porn images, Boise Police spokeswoman Lynn Hightower said.

Gilbert's computer was seized at that time, but he was not arrested until September.

It took investigators several months to complete a forensic analysis of the computer and the files, Ada County Deputy Prosecutor Shelley Armstrong said.

Investigators found numerous illegal images with confirmed underage victims.

Gilbert admitted Tuesday to downloading two child pornography movies to his computer on June 8, 2008, at the Boise-area hotel.

Gilbert’s attorney Jon Cox told Wilper Tuesday a psychosexual evaluation done for Gilbert showed he was at a low risk to reoffend.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/localnews/story/796945.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on June 10, 2009, 02:58:31 AM
 
This was a small article in another news article about a fire that was posted 2:00 a.m. June 9, 2009.

Man with knife abducts, sexually assaults teen

NORTH PARK: A teenager said she was sexually assaulted yesterday by a man armed with a knife who forced her into a car.

The 15-year-old girl was leaving her apartment and walking through a parking lot when a man in a red or maroon car approached her on El Cajon Boulevard at Iowa Street about 11:30 a.m., San Diego police said.

The man told her to get in, and the girl said no. Police said she tried to get back into the apartment complex but was unable to get in through the gate. She walked away from her home because she didn't want the man to know where she lives, police said.

She told police the man continued to follow her. He then got out of his car, threatened her with a knife and ordered her into the car, police said.

He drove a few miles to an alley near Nile and Redwood streets, where he sexually assaulted her, police said.

The man then released the girl, who reported the assault to officers.

She described the man as Latino, 20 to 25 years old, about 5 feet 7 inches tall with a medium build and short brown hair, and he possibly has a goatee. He wore a green T-shirt and jeans.

Police said he drove a four-door sedan, possibly a 1990s model.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jun/09/fire-watch-luxury-home-damaged-fire-no-one-injured/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 10, 2009, 12:04:47 PM
Hmmm red truck, teenaged girl.. Is there a sketch of the man?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 10, 2009, 12:29:05 PM

This was a small article in another news article about a fire that was posted 2:00 a.m. June 9, 2009.

Man with knife abducts, sexually assaults teen

NORTH PARK: A teenager said she was sexually assaulted yesterday by a man armed with a knife who forced her into a car.

The 15-year-old girl was leaving her apartment and walking through a parking lot when a man in a red or maroon car approached her on El Cajon Boulevard at Iowa Street about 11:30 a.m., San Diego police said.

The man told her to get in, and the girl said no. Police said she tried to get back into the apartment complex but was unable to get in through the gate. She walked away from her home because she didn't want the man to know where she lives, police said.

She told police the man continued to follow her. He then got out of his car, threatened her with a knife and ordered her into the car, police said.

He drove a few miles to an alley near Nile and Redwood streets, where he sexually assaulted her, police said.

The man then released the girl, who reported the assault to officers.

She described the man as Latino, 20 to 25 years old, about 5 feet 7 inches tall with a medium build and short brown hair, and he possibly has a goatee. He wore a green T-shirt and jeans.

Police said he drove a four-door sedan, possibly a 1990s model.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jun/09/fire-watch-luxury-home-damaged-fire-no-one-injured/

san diego forum.. Quotes from people in that area.
"That would be City Heights, one of the worst areas of San Diego. Go north on 35th a bit and it becomes Normal Heights, a trendy, fun, up-and-coming type urban neighborhood, but anywhere around the boulevard itself and South is City Heights, and is best avoided to live in if possible. El Cajon boulevard itself is pretty sleazy, especially thru the City Heights Corridor - prostitutes, folks standing around looking tough and the like. There are pockets of City Heights that aren't as terrible as others, but you have to take the bad with the good in City Heights as they're right next to each other, and know that the bad areas are quite rough. Most of the big box stores are off the boulevard in Mission Valley, which is surprisingly accessible despite the mesa cliffs via Texas Street."

"That part of City Heights (Teralta) is mostly Hispanic. There is a lot of crime there, in particular gang crime. There are a lot of good ethnic and funky restaurants all over City Heights ranging from Vietnamese on the east side and Mexican on the west side. I just served on jury for a rape/kidnap case of a prostitute that happened on 34th and El Cajon Boulevard. Generally, stay west of the 805 into North Park or go all the way east of 54th street towards the SDSU and La Mesa area where things get better. Alternatively stay North of El Cajon Boulevard, the further north the better."


http://www.city-data.com/forum/san-diego/377481-el-cajon-blvd-35th-street-info.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 10, 2009, 12:30:50 PM
I include Auburn because of the comparison of photos/sketches done by members of scared monkeys that appear to match the f.b.i. photos of wanted men in the abduction of the 3 year old boy.
The auburn incident was an attempted kidnap..witness gave information that developed the sketch and it was a red 4 door pick up..

Also if it is considered that his Auburn incident happens after the disappearance of Amber then the route would go through san bernadio and to stay off the main highway system they would or could go through victorville and up 395 all the way into Reno before coming back down through Auburn and high tailing it on 5 all the way down to the border where they are now feeling safe as the boy was released..
I wonder if the boy knows anything because it appears they had him or possibly left him at a safe house..possibly north of Escondido.. ?? Farm worker or drug related people ??

I hope that boy is being protected..
jmho
Edward these sketches are so similar it is scary. I can see if one matched but both do which really narrows it down in my opinion.

I would hope the family makes sure ELE is aware of this and that Placer county sherriff department is also informed of this by ELE and not me.. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 10, 2009, 12:42:45 PM
3 different maps..
t/y

Map 1 - Redondo Beach to Running Springs


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 10, 2009, 12:48:41 PM
Very Nice, thank you Northern Rose..  ::MonkeyCool::

First one is a travel route for the Redondo beach kidnap and murder. her body dropped off at running springs.. which is in a mountain canyon.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 10, 2009, 01:01:14 PM
 Map 2 Escondido to Reno.  I hope you meant Reno CA and not Reno NV.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 10, 2009, 01:06:11 PM
Map 3 Reno NV to Aubrurn CA



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 10, 2009, 01:07:18 PM
Edward I am so sorry.  I just saw that map 2 was to go through Carson City which means it is Reno NV.  Let me redo map 2.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 10, 2009, 01:08:50 PM
No I am sorry, I meant Reno Nevada which is high for Meth usage.. I think these guys are drug related..
Then after they come up 395 first they get to Carson city Nevada and then Reno.. from Reno it is down 80 to Auburn near Sacramento California. Once they had a failed kidnap I think they got on Freeway 5 and headed south for the border area they appear to be familiar with..

All in theory of course..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 10, 2009, 01:16:27 PM
Map 2 to Reno NV


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 10, 2009, 01:25:34 PM
Porterville attempted abduxtiona rticles.  There were several of them.

April 21, 2007

Byline: Aaron Burgin

Apr. 21--Two more young girls on their way to school reported that a man tried to force them into a brown car, the third alleged attempted abduction in two days, and the fourth since March 30. Police and school officials believe the same person is the suspect in all of the alleged incidents. "It does worry us, and it adds further credibility that there is someone out there trying to pick up our young ladies," Burton School District Superintendent Don Brown said Friday afternoon.

"We are taking this very seriously." Friday's alleged attempted abduction took place near a Porterville Unified School District campus, PUSD and Porterville ...

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-162410632.html

April 26, 2007

Byline: Aaron Burgin

Apr. 26--The nightmare for the Porterville community is over as quickly as it began.

Porterville police on Wednesday arrested the second, and final, suspect in a recent rash of attempted child abductions near local schools.

Daniel Segura, 44, of Porterville, was arrested at about noon Wednesday on eastbound Highway 190 just east of Plano Street, Sgt. Duanne Griffin said. Segura was driving a deep brown, 1980s model Ford LTD sedan.

Segura is believed to be the man who allegedly tried to get young female pupils on their way to school into his vehicle on three occasions between March 30 and April 20.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-162660175.html

07-21-07
By The Porterville Recorder : Aaron Burgin
LINDSAY — Officers here arrested a man who allegedly tried to get a 17-year-old girl in his truck four times, the same week another attempted-kidnapping suspect was in court. Maurilio Banuelos, 50, approached the girl as she was jogging Wednesday evening on the south side of Lindsay, Department of Public Safety Sgt. Chris Hughes said.

He was arrested Thursday evening in the area the alleged incident occurred, after admitting to the purported crime, Hughes said. “It was a very high priority, we’ve been working on it since [Wednesday],” Hughes said Thursday. “Especially after what happened in Porterville.”

Hughes was referring to the monthlong string of kidnapping attempts in March and April around Porterville-area schools. Police there arrested Daniel Segura, 44, and Miguel Fonseca, 43, of Porterville, for the alleged attempts to pick up school-bound girls. Hughes said he was involved with that investigation. “We wanted to get things squared away fast,” Hughes said.

The girl was jogging along Harvard Avenue at Honolulu Street and continued south on Harvard to Lindmore Street when a man in a blue Nissan pickup truck asked her in Spanish to get into the car. The girl continued jogging east toward the Lindsay-Strathmore Public Cemetery when the truck appeared again and the man pulled alongside her and told her to get into the truck, Hughes said.

“She then took off running backwards (west) on Lindmore and the man put the truck in reverse and contacted her in Spanish and reached for the door,” Hughes said. “The girl then started running north on Harvard and the blue truck appeared again, this time heading south toward her.” The truck waited as traffic passed, but the girl ran home before he could make a move, Hughes said.

Officers approached Banuelos on Thursday at a mini-market on the corner of Mirage Avenue and Honolulu Street. After Banuelos initially denied involvement, officers brought the girl to the store for a field identification, at which time the girl positively identified Banuelos as the suspect.

“After that, he admitted to trying to pick up the girl to give her a ride, but he said he thought she was 20 to 25 years old,” Hughes said. Banuelos faces one misdemeanor count of annoying and molesting a minor for sexual gratification.

Hughes said the girl was shaken by the ordeal.

“She was scared, she didn’t jog today,” Hughes said Thursday. “She thought the guy was going to rape her, she didn’t know what his intentions were.”

http://www.gangwatchers.org/NEWS/Recorder-%7B07-21-07%7Dkidnap.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 10, 2009, 01:32:41 PM
Daniel Segura, 44, and Miguel Fonseca, 43, of Porterville supposedly attempted to kidnapp four girls during a 3 week period.  Can someone pull their booking pictures?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 10, 2009, 01:42:10 PM
Thank You Northern Rose..

Once past San Bernadino.. If they did not drop the body off there in the area of San Bernadino, as you can see it is a long road and if they kept her alive for awhile then  anywhere along that route would be a search area as most of it is not populated and out of view with a million side dirt roads that go off on both sides all along the way....

I would think they would drop off a dead body quickly for reasons I would rather not explain.
Amber would have had to be kept alive for the search area to go beyond San Bernadino.
which also means Amber may have been seen on gas station video cameras..

In all reality..
When they tried to key the cell phone for messages the next day and it was blocked, I would think they would go into a defensive mode.
jmho

After considering it gain last night..
In some ways I almost think that the checking of the cell phone for messages was an act of immaturity, like teens, and yes I am very concerned for a teen related attack on Amber.
jmho



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 10, 2009, 02:02:28 PM
(http://www.gangwatchers.org/image/GWS-275.jpg)

The arrests of Daniel Segura are listed at gang watchers..
http://www.gangwatchers.org/NEWS/Recorder-%7B07-21-07%7Dkidnap.html

So gang related


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 10, 2009, 02:58:42 PM
A vigil to raise awareness .. pictures of Amber

http://www.glendalenewspress.com/articles/2009/06/10/news/gnp-vigil18.txt

There are just some things in life that do not add up..
Ambers disapperance is one of them.
jmho



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 10, 2009, 03:08:45 PM
(http://www.gangwatchers.org/image/GWS-275.jpg)

The arrests of Daniel Segura are listed at gang watchers..
http://www.gangwatchers.org/NEWS/Recorder-%7B07-21-07%7Dkidnap.html

So gang related

Do you feel the attempted abductions are gang related or that the suspect was related to the gang? 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 10, 2009, 03:11:56 PM
Apparently gang watchers which is located in portorville thinks this man is gang related.

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 10, 2009, 03:14:10 PM
Thank you for all you effort on those possible routes that the kidnappers may have taken Northern Rose.. Everyone here has done such good work. I hope some of this information gives the family and investigators some tools they can use.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 10, 2009, 03:29:17 PM
Thank you for all you effort on those possible routes that the kidnappers may have taken Northern Rose.. Everyone here has done such good work. I hope some of this information gives the family and investigators some tools they can use.

The uncanny resemblance of the suspects and the sketches of the perps should help them.  You are wonderful Edward!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 11, 2009, 02:18:18 AM
Has it been considered the cell phone could have been dumped and a person found it, tried to power it up etc...I think all you have to do is replace a sims card and you can use it again without it being attached to the past account. Given the fact the cell phone was turned on and access was attempted I think maybe this makes sense.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 11, 2009, 02:26:47 AM
Anything is possible Tracygirl


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 11, 2009, 02:47:39 AM
Yes Edward, unfortunately that is true isn't it? Wouldn't it be a lot easier if there was only one possibility?



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on June 11, 2009, 11:49:14 AM
ESCONDIDO: Search center for missing teen to close
Family won't stop looking for Amber Dubois

By CHRIS NICHOLS - cnichols@nctimes.com | Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:48 PM PDT ∞


The family of missing Escondido teen Amber Dubois plan to close the Amber Search Center on Sunday due to a drop in volunteers. The center at 755 N. Quince St., near Mission Avenue has been open since early March. (Photo by Chris Nichols - Staff Photographer)

ESCONDIDO ---- When it opened in March, the Amber Search Center teemed with scores of volunteers eager to scour local canyons and roadways for missing teen Amber Dubois.

Small mountains of granola bars and water bottles filled its corners while posters of the blue-eyed, brown-haired girl plastered its walls.

But after nearly four disheartening months without a trace of the Escondido High School freshman, Amber's parents have decided to close down the rent-free 7,500 square-foot center on Sunday.

"The center is all we're closing down," Amber's father Moe Dubois said Wednesday. "We don't need to have a building that size. We don't have enough volunteers."


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on June 11, 2009, 11:54:09 AM
ESCONDIDO: Search center for missing teen to close
Family won't stop looking for Amber Dubois

By CHRIS NICHOLS - cnichols@nctimes.com | Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:48 PM PDT ∞


The family of missing Escondido teen Amber Dubois plan to close the Amber Search Center on Sunday due to a drop in volunteers. The center at 755 N. Quince St., near Mission Avenue has been open since early March. (Photo by Chris Nichols - Staff Photographer)

ESCONDIDO ---- When it opened in March, the Amber Search Center teemed with scores of volunteers eager to scour local canyons and roadways for missing teen Amber Dubois.

Small mountains of granola bars and water bottles filled its corners while posters of the blue-eyed, brown-haired girl plastered its walls.

But after nearly four disheartening months without a trace of the Escondido High School freshman, Amber's parents have decided to close down the rent-free 7,500 square-foot center on Sunday.

"The center is all we're closing down," Amber's father Moe Dubois said Wednesday. "We don't need to have a building that size. We don't have enough volunteers."


Link:   http://www.northcountytimes.com/articles/2009/06/10/news/inland/escondido/zc2fbcdcf35256f2d882575d1005e39ec.txt

This must have been a heartbreaking decision.

Chi-M


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 11, 2009, 11:55:25 AM
I wish I was closer, I would be out there every weekend helping out.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 11, 2009, 11:58:13 AM
Yes Chi-Monkey, I bet it didn't come easy for them.   


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 11, 2009, 04:07:21 PM

Amber's mother, Carrie McGonigle, emphasized that about 10 remaining volunteers will continue to search for Amber "until we find her."

They'll still gather each weekend to search for the bookish 14-year-old, but will now meet at local parks or restaurants instead of the building on North Quince Street near Mission Avenue, Amber's parents said.

Teams of searchers, initially in the hundreds, have trekked through Escondido's rural stretches each weekend since Amber vanished.

The teen was last seen Feb. 13 as she walked to school on North Broadway. Her parents have described her as a model student and structured teen who never spoke of running away from home.

They continue to believe she was abducted by a stranger, Amber's father said.

Without evidence to support either theory, Escondido police have classified the case as simply a missing juvenile. A once steady stream of tips from across the nation that reached more than a 1,000 has slowed to a trickle, police have said.

"There's been nothing told to us as far as anything new or significant," Dubois said.

He added that the experience has been extremely difficult: "It's hard," he said. "It just tears you up every day and every week. There's not a day that goes by that I don't break down and cry for an hour or two."

Amber's mother, Carrie McGonigle, could not immediately be reached for comment.

Escondido police Lt. Bob Benton said investigators continue to follow all leads, but added that there have not been any major developments.

Along with the volunteer-led searches, Amber's family has organized numerous community gatherings. Two more are planned for this weekend: On Saturday at 1 p.m., the family will conduct a prayer vigil at the center marking the 4-month anniversary of Amber's disappearance.

On Sunday, a benefit concert takes place from 3 to 6 p.m. at the OC Tavern at 2369 S. El Camino Real in San Clemente.

More information about the events and the search for Amber is at www.bringamberhome.com.

Amber is described as 5 feet 5 inches tall, 130 pounds. Anyone with information about her whereabouts should call Escondido police at (760) 839-4722.

http://www.northcountytimes.com/articles/2009/06/10/news/inland/escondido/zc2fbcdcf35256f2d882575d1005e39ec.txt


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 11, 2009, 06:37:47 PM
Last Known Person to See Amber Talks
By  TONY SHIN

Updated 10:54 AM PDT, Thu, Jun 11, 2009

In an effort to generate new leads in the missing person's case of Amber Dubois, family members and police authorized a re-enactment of the final moments before Amber disappeared.

A friend of the family portrayed the missing 14 year old as she retraced Amber's steps during the February morning of her disappearance.

Police say it was a typical morning for Amber as she headed to school.

"Amber left the home a little bit before 7 a.m. and headed down Fire Mountain Place," Lt. Bob Benton said.  "Then she walked southbound on Broadway to school."

Lt. Benton says Amber wore a dark hooded sweatshirt and dark pants as she carried her schoolbooks in a messenger bag. Just before 7:10 a.m., she reached the fence at the northern end of Escondido High School.

"That's when one of two witnesses saw her," Lt. Benton said.

The first witness is a man, who is also Amber's neighbor. He was traveling North on Broadway when he saw Amber walking to school and told police it appeared Amber may have been in a hurry because it looked like she was jogging.

Seconds later, a woman who has known Amber for several years, was taking her son to school when she also saw the 14-year-old girl.

"Basically, I said there's Amber, made notice she was there," Pam Sams said.

Sams is the last known person to have seen Amber before she disappeared. In an exclusive interview, she described what she saw as she passed Amber on Broadway.

"She was just walking with someone, right next to each other," Sams said.  "He was taller than her, dark complexion, dark clothes."

Sams says when she saw Amber and the unknown male, they were only a few hundred yards away from the school entrance.  She says there were a lot of students and parents in the area at the time.

"I'm dumb-founded as to why only two of us saw her, I don't understand that," Sams said.

Investigators say if Amber had made it to the school entrance, she would have been recorded on a surveillance camera that sits on the corner roof of the school gym.

Sams wishes she had looked more closely at the unknown male who was walking with Amber and believes he is the key to solving her disappearance.

"I wasn't really looking for details, I just happened to pass her and I knew it was her because I used to take her to school," Sams said.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 11, 2009, 06:39:29 PM
Comments left on news article posted above..

leave her alone Today at 10:57 AM FLAG COMMENT..
she ran away from an abusive household, GET OVER IT! kids run away ALL THE TIME! stop spending money looking for a girl who is hiding and doesnt want to be found obviously?!she ran away from an abusive household, GET OVER IT! kids run away ALL THE TIME! stop spending money looking for a girl who is hiding and doesnt want to be found obviously?! ..


Macie Today at 10:50 AM FLAG COMMENT..
May I ask , Pam,why did you stop taking Amber to school???And it is strange that only two people had noticed her that day. Why did her friends warn Amber not to be doing whatever she was doing with her master screen name "wolfintheend"? i would be asking those teenagers who were communicating with her on "My Space" to start telling the truth and who did she upset???What was she saying???

Edit to fix typos



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 11, 2009, 06:44:59 PM
Those comments are little people that do not know anything OR by People that know something ..

There have been many disturbing comments made by the people of Escondido in various news articles over the last 4 months..

I have posted them for reasons of research and hold no opinion.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 11, 2009, 07:16:59 PM
A Murrieta woman bit off the tongue of an alleged rapist who was arrested at a hospital emergency room where he went for treatment.

Police found the suspect's tongue at the woman's apartment Friday morning. Authorities say the woman had injuries consistent with a violent assault.

Officers say they arrested 32-year-old Ronald McGowan of West Covina, who is a registered sex offender.

Physicians at the Rancho Springs Medical Center could not reattach his tongue.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Woman-Bites-Tongue-Off-Alleged-Rapist---.html?corder=&pg=1#comments


It may have nothing to do with Amber, who knows.. But he wont be saying anything very soon.
There is a photo of him at the link..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 11, 2009, 07:22:50 PM
Can the powers that be at Scared Monkeys Please clean up this and embed the video.. ThankYou

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Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 11, 2009, 07:33:47 PM
It only stands to reason that the guy seen walking with Amber Leeann Dubois was associated with the Red/Maroon Pick up..
He must have known her enough to talk with her, or he could have been a Con Artist who knows how to make an approach and when she came close to the red truck her forced her inside.. Then the driver finds a spot to get her under control..

This could be gang related if Amber pissed off somebody in the teen world..

I doubt Amber Leeann Dubois Ran Away from home. I do believe if she had been abused she would have ran to her Aunt or her Grandma or her DAD first before that would happen.
I know I am going out on a limb to make that claim but it is my gut feeling which is usually correct.
Amber was attacked for one reason or another..

I am starting to think GANG related.. That Phone is not the pattern of the Kidnappers from San Bernadino and Redondo Beach, but I can see some immature gang members doing that for sure.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 11, 2009, 07:58:33 PM
Edward is the parking lot drive way the truck is seen entering and leaving before or after amber was seen walking?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 11, 2009, 07:59:47 PM
Also ..Even though it is not there normal pattern of behavior there is obviously at least 2 people involved with the red/maroon pick up ..one driver and this guy seen walking with her.
 His description by witnesses that had seen him walking with her fits very well with the men involved with the kidnap of the boy in San Bernadino who we had seen on still images walking in the hardware store and on wanted posters now provided by the F.B.I.

So... there ya go.. All of that is just my humble opinion.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 11, 2009, 08:01:04 PM
Edward is the parking lot drive way the truck is seen entering and leaving before or after amber was seen walking?

I would think after.. But do we have a way of knowing that for positive..? Was there a time stamp on that survalliance video ?



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 11, 2009, 08:33:08 PM
Edward is the parking lot drive way the truck is seen entering and leaving before or after amber was seen walking?

I would think after.. But do we have a way of knowing that for positive..? Was there a time stamp on that surveillance video ?



Yes there is a way I would think, lets see. Did the people say where she was at when they saw her? One person said she was by the school, what that spot before or after the driveway the truck was seen?

So we have amber walking down the street. 2 people who are familiar with her see her and know it is her. One says a man was walking with her and her steps seem faster. We have a truck seen going into a parking lot on school grounds waiting for 3 minutes and taking off. AT that time there is a bus driver walking to his bus, probably to start a route. He has to document or call in and that time is recorded so the truck time can be documented even if no time stamp.

Now if it was before the drive way the truck is seen, maybe it is a 2 person abduction. One lures and the other is the driver. The man walking is behind her as she is walking, the truck comes out of the driveway, a door opens and the man behind her grabs her and puts her into the truck and the driver takes off away. That would take about 30 sec at most. The traffic from one side would be blocked from her being put into the truck and the other way there may have not been anyone coming.
Did that makes sense?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 11, 2009, 08:54:33 PM
yes it does.. That man would or should know around what time he was walking out and the white car should have had some idea on when it came into the yard..

I think there was a study done on average time of forced abductions..
I seem to remember 7 seconds..

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 11, 2009, 09:59:42 PM
Thirteen year old escapes attempted abduction

Story Created: Oct 26, 2007 at 12:38 PM PDT

Story Updated: Oct 26, 2007 at 6:29 PM PDT

Police are investigating an attempted abduction at the California Avenue and Stockdale Highway GET bus stop.

It happened Friday morning as the 13 year old girl was on her way to school. She was waiting for the GET bus when a man approached her in his pick up truck. The suspect asked the girl for directions. During the conversation, he got out of his truck, grabbed her arm and told her to get in his pick up. Fortunately, she was able to get away, notify her mother, who then called police.

Police say the incident was reported around 8:40 this morning, after the girl hid out for awhile.

Police aren't releasing what school the girl attends.

This incident is the latest in a series of attempted abductions that have taken place over the past month. Bakersfield police are investigating a possible connection, but have no solid information linking them at this point.

The suspect is described as a Hispanic male in his 30's or 40's, 5 feet 9 inches tall, stocky with a shaved head, thick mustache and a tattoo of red lips on his neck. He was wearing a white t-shirt and blue jeans.

The suspect was driving a newer model, white truck, possibly a GMC, raised with tinted windows.

If you have any information, you're urged to call BPD 327-71-11.

The composite sketch was also sent out to nearby schools.

We spoke to the principal of Van Horn School, who told us they have not been able to notify parents of this latest incident because they did not receive the composite sketch until after school let out for the day. But he says they are working with the district for further action.

http://www.bakersfieldnow.com/news/10822541.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 11, 2009, 10:15:32 PM
I can not find anymore on this one so do not know if anyone has been arrested since this report.

SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA / A news summary; Girl Fights Off Abduction; Serial Attacker Suspected

A 16-year-old Bellflower girl who fought off a kidnap attempt Monday evening may have escaped from a sexual predator who abducted three girls in the area recently, authorities said.

The girl was outside her father's store in an alley behind Alondra Boulevard about 7 p.m. Monday when a man grabbed her from behind, covered her mouth with his hand and tried to drag her toward his car, sheriff's investigators' said.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/access/50618696.html?dids=50618696:50618696&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=Mar+01%2C+2000&author=&pub=Los+Angeles+Times&desc=SOUTHERN+CALIFORNIA+%2F+A+news+summary%3B+Girl+Fights+Off+Abduction%3B+Serial+Attacker+Suspected&pqatl=google


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 11, 2009, 10:32:11 PM
July 22, 2008
Man flees after reported failed abduction attempt
From Art Campos:

Lincoln police are looking for a man with two missing front teeth who allegedly tried to force a female employee at a Raley's gas station into his vehicle.

The attempted kidnapping happened at 10:30 p.m. Sunday in the car wash area behind the station at 725 South Highway 65, police Lt. Terry Kennedy said.

The victim told police she was standing in the car wash area when a white male grabbed her and tried to force her into his maroon Dodge Durango. She managed to break loose and escape, Kennedy said, and the suspect drove away.

Kennedy said another employee was inside the station but could not see what was occurring in the car wash area.

"The victim had gotten caught in a blind spot," he said.

The suspect was described as between 25 and 30 years old, about 5 feet, 8 inches tall, about 180 pounds and missing two front teeth. He was wearing dark, baggy clothing.
Anyone with information is urged to contact police at (916) 645-4040.

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-30918991_ITM


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 11, 2009, 11:03:18 PM
This Man Tried to Kidnap Girl, Cops Say
Updated 3:31 PM PDT, Thu, Feb 5, 2009

Investigators released a sketch Thursday of a suspect in the attempted kidnapping of an eleven-year-old girl in the Black Mountain Ranch area.

The victim was walking in front of an apartment complex Tuesday at about 4:00 p.m. in the 14000 block of Via Fiesta when the suspect pulled up to the curb next to her and told her to get in his car, police spokesperson Mónica Muñoz said. 

"The victim said there was a gun on the dashboard of the suspect’s car. The girl ran to get away from the suspect. The suspect followed the girl in his car but she was able to run to a nearby apartment and call the police," Muñoz said.

The suspect is described as a Hispanic male, 20-30 years old, 5 feet 11 inches, 220 pounds with black hair, and a black goatee. He was wearing a dark blue, short-sleeved shirt. The suspect’s car is a small, older two-door convertible; dark blue with lots of rust spots. The car also has a black convertible top.

Anyone with information concerning this case is asked to contact San Diego Police Department at (619) 531-2000 or San Diego County Crime Stoppers anonymous, toll-free, tip line at (888) 580-8477.


http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/This-Man-Tried-to-Kidnap-Girl-Cops-Say-.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 11, 2009, 11:07:42 PM
Child Stalking & Abduction Incidents
Click on links below to view recent reports of children approached by strangers in Poway and along the Highway 56 corridor.


http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=107792725227373756468.000465d184cb91081a7fd&ll=32.965179,-117.108765&spn=0.143448,0.219727&z=12


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 11, 2009, 11:49:38 PM
Thank You Northern Rose..

What the hell is going on in south California. If we put every one of these attempted and actual abductions and attacks on a map in the last 4 months it will look like a war zone under attack.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 12, 2009, 12:26:27 AM
Thank You Northern Rose..

What the hell is going on in south California. If we put every one of these attempted and actual abductions and attacks on a map in the last 4 months it will look like a war zone under attack.


The link to the last map is quite something.  Was it not that area that the young woman who looked exceptionally similar to Amber was attempted abduction?  That was about 2 weeks before if I recall.  I am really wondering if she could be in Mexico now.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 12, 2009, 01:39:35 AM
What's with the hispanic male 20-30 approaching young  girls? Many of these attempts are more then one person, the one girl that was taken into a van was driven around? Thank god but why nothing more?

Gang initiation? Mexican black market?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 12, 2009, 03:02:53 PM
http://media.nbcsandiego.com/designvideo/rcpHolder9-15.swf?path=%2Fhome%2Ftop_stories&id=47803002


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 12, 2009, 03:59:23 PM
Thanks Edward.  I watched the video last night but have no clue how to imbed it here.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 12, 2009, 04:50:06 PM
I had just figured it out .. use the insert flash icon.. then play the video and copy and past the address bar at the top of the page ..http://whatever  and there it is..
I am not the brightest ball on the Christmas tree but it appears to work..  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 12, 2009, 05:58:51 PM
Edward thanks for posting the video. I am going to drop her aunt a line about the driveway.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 12, 2009, 06:02:29 PM
Thank Tracygirl


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 12, 2009, 06:19:40 PM
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/The-Day-Amber-Disappeared-.html

The comments started off by readers was insulting and so I gave them some info in hopes that the public in Escondido may get themselves involved..

I will be leaving tomorrow morning for Catalina island for a week of scouting as I am a assistant scout master and apparently will not be able to communicate via my computer.
I will bring it along anyway just in case..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 13, 2009, 12:03:11 AM
Edward I hope you have a great time. We will try to hold down the fort while your gone. Check in if you can!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on June 13, 2009, 01:35:01 AM
Saw this good looking red truck. 



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on June 13, 2009, 01:38:35 AM
Oops. 

http://s557.photobucket.com/albums/ss16/rightyj/?action=view&current=RedPickup2.jpg


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on June 13, 2009, 02:01:39 AM
Oops x 2.

(http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss16/rightyj/RedPickup2.jpg)



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on June 13, 2009, 02:07:31 AM
Edward I hope you have a great time. We will try to hold down the fort while your gone. Check in if you can!

Hope Edward just concentrates on something else for a week.  We all need a break sometimes.     

Let's keep on looking.   It's all for Amber!




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: MuffyBee on June 13, 2009, 02:33:50 PM
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jun/12/1mi12dubois2186-vigil-set-missing-girl-14/
Vigil is set for missing girl, 14
Search continues for Amber Dubois
By J. Harry Jones

2:00 a.m. June 12, 2009
ESCONDIDO — It will be four months tomorrow since 14-year-old Amber Dubois went missing while walking to school in Escondido, and a search center established shortly after she disappeared is closing down.

Every weekend volunteers have been scouring nearby hills for any sign of the teen, without success. The number of volunteers has dwindled to a point that only about 20 people have been showing up to help.

Amber's mother, Carrie McGonigle, said that the center will close this weekend and that future search efforts will concentrate on distributing fliers in Riverside and Orange counties.

“Most people know about Amber in San Diego,” she said. “But nobody knows about her further north.”

The search center, at 755 N. Quince St. in Escondido, will be the site of a candlelight vigil from 1 to 4 p.m. tomorrow, culminating in the release of balloons at 4 p.m.

McGonigle said she still harbors hope.

“I still feel she's alive and I still feel she's nearby,” she said. “We just have to find where.”

Police say they have followed up on about 900 tips, including false sightings of the teen, without anything concrete being found.

An examination of Amber's Internet activity so far has shown only that she visited sites that any normal 14-year-old girl would, Escondido Police Lt. Bob Benton said. Some records still have not been obtained because the Web site operators are based outside the United States. The FBI has been helping with the Internet side of the investigation.

Amber's cell phone has not been used since the day after she disappeared, when someone in northern Escondido tried to access her voice mail for about 20 seconds but gave up after realizing the password had been changed. Her parents had it changed when she didn't come home so they could listen to any messages that might have been left for her.

It now appears that a burgundy pickup truck seen on surveillance videotape of a school bus maintenance yard near Escondido High School about the same time that Amber disappeared is not the same pickup spotted in another case.

San Diego police are searching for a similar pickup in connection with the molestation of two young girls at two Wal-Mart stores in April and May. But Benton said the trucks appear to be different.

Police still classify Amber as a missing juvenile, saying there isn't enough information to say definitively whether she was abducted or ran away.

Nationally known missing children's advocate Marc Klaas will attend the vigil, McGonigle said.

Anyone with information about Amber's whereabouts is asked to call (760) 743-TIPS (8477).

Amber's family has offered a $50,000 reward for information leading to her return, and a $10,000 reward for information leading to arrests.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: klaasend on June 13, 2009, 11:03:14 PM
bump


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on June 14, 2009, 12:52:12 AM
It only stands to reason that the guy seen walking with Amber Leeann Dubois was associated with the Red/Maroon Pick up..
He must have known her enough to talk with her, or he could have been a Con Artist who knows how to make an approach and when she came close to the red truck her forced her inside.. Then the driver finds a spot to get her under control..

This could be gang related if Amber pissed off somebody in the teen world..

I doubt Amber Leeann Dubois Ran Away from home. I do believe if she had been abused she would have ran to her Aunt or her Grandma or her DAD first before that would happen.
I know I am going out on a limb to make that claim but it is my gut feeling which is usually correct.
Amber was attacked for one reason or another..

I am starting to think GANG related.. That Phone is not the pattern of the Kidnappers from San Bernadino and Redondo Beach, but I can see some immature gang members doing that for sure.

Edward, I do not think she was abused and ran away either. She visited her Dad on a regular basis and had a good support group in her family IMHO.

This part of your comment >"I am starting to think GANG related.. That Phone is not the pattern of the Kidnappers from San Bernadino and Redondo Beach, but I can see some immature gang members doing that for sure." I do not understand. That phone, what pattern?
As we all know, San Diego (Escondido) is very close to the Mexican border and many work here on a daily basis. We are also close to San Bernadino and areas of gang activity. I think many/most communities in SoCal have gang activity to a degree. It is a possibility, IMHO

Keep Amber in your thoughts and prayers.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on June 14, 2009, 12:59:46 AM
I wish I was closer, I would be out there every weekend helping out.

I wish I was healthier, and I would too.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: pink angel on June 14, 2009, 06:10:59 AM
I wish I was closer, I would be out there every weekend helping out.

I wish I was healthier, and I would too.

Me three.

I can't sleep so I am using the time this morning to reflect and pray. Amber and her family are both in my prayers this morning. May she come home safe and soon to the family that loves and misses her.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 14, 2009, 11:34:57 AM
Yes  prayers for Amber...May  God shed his light of protection over Amber. May he send his heavenly angels to guide the searchers to where Amber is. May she come home safetly and soon. Prays of strength for her family..


I heard back from Ambers aunt. I am going to email to clarify something, I will repost when I hear from her. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 14, 2009, 01:26:54 PM
Here are the Web Sleuths images courtesy of member, Cloudajo



These pics are great. the set of pics which shows the arrows, are we sure this is the right area of the maintance yard the truck is seen parking? I say this because on google maps I don't see a fence there and it is not the area the buses are parked. could the truck be  on the other side of the building?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 14, 2009, 01:28:26 PM
They didn't follow me. how do you bump a post with pics so they post as well? Can someone help? It was a post from 5/18


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: califmom on June 14, 2009, 01:42:36 PM

      
 
Balloons carry hopes of missing girl's family

By J. Harry Jones
2:00 a.m. June 14, 2009

Amber Dubois' sister Allison (center) and their mother, Carrie McGonigle, prepare to release balloons with information on the missing teenager. - Peggy Peattie / Union-Tribune
DETAILS

Amber Dubois

Missing since Feb. 13

Online: bringamberhome.com

Background: See an archive of stories on the case at uniontrib. com/more/amber

ESCONDIDO — Hundreds of blue balloons soared into the eastern sky above Escondido yesterday afternoon, carried by the wind.

Each bore a message about Amber Dubois, and maybe, her father said, one might be found by someone who knows something – anything – about what happened to the 14-year-old.

It was a somber, emotional gathering at the Amber Dubois Search Center yesterday afternoon. It marked the four-month anniversary of when the teenager went missing while walking to Escondido High School, and the donated building on Quince Street where searches have been coordinated is closing down this weekend.

“Sadly, this is the last gathering at this location, but it won't be the last thing we do because we will all keep on working until we bring Amber home,” said the girl's grandmother, Sheila Welch. “We can only look to the day when we can have a celebration when Amber comes home.”

Since shortly after the teen's disappearance, volunteer searchers have been scouring the countryside and hills within a roughly eight-mile radius of where Amber was last seen. They have found nothing.

“The good news, if there is good news, is that three months ago we came here to help the family organize a search effort to find a body,” said nationally known lost-child advocate Marc Klaas. “They have not found that body. That's exceptional news. That's very good news. Amber is out there, and we think Amber is alive.”

Klaas said a switch in strategy is about to take place: “We're not looking for a body. We're looking for a little girl.”

Amber's mother, Carrie McGonigle, spoke only briefly yesterday, tearing up while introducing Klaas. She said last week that she and others will concentrate on distributing fliers in Riverside, Orange and Los Angeles counties.

“Most people know about Amber in San Diego,” McGonigle said. “But nobody knows about her further north.”

Police say they have followed up on about 900 tips, including false sightings of the teen, without finding anything concrete.

Authorities classify Amber as a missing juvenile, saying there isn't enough information to say definitively whether she was abducted or ran away.

From the very beginning, her family has been convinced that she was kidnapped. Amber's father, Maurice Dubois, said he will never quit looking.

“It's unfortunate I'm in front of you again talking,” Dubois said. “Any of you who have been here from Day One know what our family is going through. It's been difficult, frustrating, sad.”

Although donated, the search center carries utilities and other expenses that would be better spent on other efforts, the family says.

“This is not going to be over until Amber is home,” Dubois said. “We're not stopping. People think that by closing this center, we're giving up. But we're not – not by any means. We won't give up until Amber is home.”

Dubois said some days have been worse than others.

“Easter was a very tough day for many of us,” he said. “Mother's Day was very tough on Carrie and me. Just around the corner is Father's Day. I'm not ready for it ... not without my daughter here.”

Klaas said it's imperative that Amber's case continue to be publicized.

“I think it's well-known that if the family stops searching, this case will go into the cold-case file very quickly,” he said. “Therefore, we have to create strategies to keep it moving forward, to keep it in the public eye ... so that Amber can ultimately be recovered. It really is the only goal that we have right now.”

One of those ways of keeping the story alive was yesterday's “raise awareness” balloon release. Dubois said that perhaps one of the balloons will end up in the hands of someone who knows something.

“We're leaving it up to Mother Nature,” he said.

J. Harry Jones: (760) 737-7579; jharry.jones@uniontrib.com

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jun/14/1m14amber235946-balloons-carry-hopes-missing-girls/?northcounty&zIndex=116379
 

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: califmom on June 14, 2009, 01:48:07 PM
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/The-Day-Amber-Disappeared-.html

The comments started off by readers was insulting and so I gave them some info in hopes that the public in Escondido may get themselves involved..

I will be leaving tomorrow morning for Catalina island for a week of scouting as I am a assistant scout master and apparently will not be able to communicate via my computer.
I will bring it along anyway just in case..


Edward,  My co-worker's son will be there too... he is really looking forward to it.  I hope you all have a great time!! 

Thanks for all of the information you and the other monkeys post about Amber!  I read here almost everyday. I pray everyday for Amber's safe return. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on June 14, 2009, 06:06:43 PM
I have not posted much on this case, but I am still trying to "work on it".  I need to regroup or something and try to figure out how I can best help.  Maybe if I just toss out a few thoughts, it might trigger some thoughts with others and then maybe brainstorm until we come up with "something".  It is so hard to make something out of nothing, but being we really have nothing to go on, somehow we have to come up with "where is Amber", and "How did she get there", and "WHY?"

So I have to ask myself:

What were Ambers Patterns/Routine
What patterns or routines changed recently
Who are ambers close friends
Were there other kids at school who did not like Amber or who did not like other children in general; wanted someone to target just because?
Are there any weird teachers there?
Did amber actually leave to walk to school EARLY that day
Did she talk to people in her neighborhood or on the walk to her school
Do  any of her friends have weird parents
Has any of the other children at school had any problems with anyone
Did the police talk to the child sex offender living on Vista

Has anyone checked with pawn shops, flea markets, scrap jewelry buyers, etc, asking if any jewelry like hers has surfaced.  I would pass flyers around at every flea market and pawn shop and antique thrift store to see if anyone recotnizes her jewelry

Has anyone taken a red truck into a paint shop to be repainted another color. 
Did anyone report a red truck stolen
Are there any missing persons anywhere that would match the age and descriptoion of the boy someone said they saw walking with amber.
what are the names of the gangs in that area?

I'll think some more


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: ChiChi on June 15, 2009, 01:57:38 AM
It only stands to reason that the guy seen walking with Amber Leeann Dubois was associated with the Red/Maroon Pick up..
He must have known her enough to talk with her, or he could have been a Con Artist who knows how to make an approach and when she came close to the red truck her forced her inside.. Then the driver finds a spot to get her under control..

This could be gang related if Amber pissed off somebody in the teen world..

I doubt Amber Leeann Dubois Ran Away from home. I do believe if she had been abused she would have ran to her Aunt or her Grandma or her DAD first before that would happen.
I know I am going out on a limb to make that claim but it is my gut feeling which is usually correct.
Amber was attacked for one reason or another..

I am starting to think GANG related.. That Phone is not the pattern of the Kidnappers from San Bernadino and Redondo Beach, but I can see some immature gang members doing that for sure.

Edward, I do not think she was abused and ran away either. She visited her Dad on a regular basis and had a good support group in her family IMHO.

This part of your comment >"I am starting to think GANG related.. That Phone is not the pattern of the Kidnappers from San Bernadino and Redondo Beach, but I can see some immature gang members doing that for sure." I do not understand. That phone, what pattern?
As we all know, San Diego (Escondido) is very close to the Mexican border and many work here on a daily basis. We are also close to San Bernadino and areas of gang activity. I think many/most communities in SoCal have gang activity to a degree. It is a possibility, IMHO

Keep Amber in your thoughts and prayers.

I don't know about in Escondido but in Northern Ca. the gang bangers don't have brand new trucks like the one pictured. IMO


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 15, 2009, 12:13:31 PM
upper level gangs..
Mexican mafia type gangs
they are older and have normal jobs and drive all kinds of vehicles..

I know Mexican gang members that dress in nice clothes and drive nice cars yet they are connected..

Sana Francisco to Salinas California if full of upper level gangs from Caucasian to Latino or Mexican "which are different" and the Vietnamese have there own gangs..
common vehicles.. that are none. I have seen high level in mercedes and BMW and I have seen many field workers who are connected in vehicles such as the one seen in the bus parking lot in Escondido..

My point is this.. You can not tell a gang member by what they drive ..
It is far more complicate then that..

Well we are here on Catalina island and everyone is good as well as they have a computer room with a t-1 connection..

I was hoping I would have read some good news.. 
I will check in later.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: califmom on June 15, 2009, 01:08:02 PM
It only stands to reason that the guy seen walking with Amber Leeann Dubois was associated with the Red/Maroon Pick up..
He must have known her enough to talk with her, or he could have been a Con Artist who knows how to make an approach and when she came close to the red truck her forced her inside.. Then the driver finds a spot to get her under control..

This could be gang related if Amber pissed off somebody in the teen world..

I doubt Amber Leeann Dubois Ran Away from home. I do believe if she had been abused she would have ran to her Aunt or her Grandma or her DAD first before that would happen.
I know I am going out on a limb to make that claim but it is my gut feeling which is usually correct.
Amber was attacked for one reason or another..

I am starting to think GANG related.. That Phone is not the pattern of the Kidnappers from San Bernadino and Redondo Beach, but I can see some immature gang members doing that for sure.

Edward, I do not think she was abused and ran away either. She visited her Dad on a regular basis and had a good support group in her family IMHO.

This part of your comment >"I am starting to think GANG related.. That Phone is not the pattern of the Kidnappers from San Bernadino and Redondo Beach, but I can see some immature gang members doing that for sure." I do not understand. That phone, what pattern?
As we all know, San Diego (Escondido) is very close to the Mexican border and many work here on a daily basis. We are also close to San Bernadino and areas of gang activity. I think many/most communities in SoCal have gang activity to a degree. It is a possibility, IMHO

Keep Amber in your thoughts and prayers.

I don't know about in Escondido but in Northern Ca. the gang bangers don't have brand new trucks like the one pictured. IMO

In the L.A. & surrounding areas, the gang bangers drive nicer cars than my hubby and me!!   Cadillac Escalades and the Chrysler 300 seem to be very popular with them... However, I have seen them in big trucks too... F-150, F-250, Chevy Avalanche, etc... Most of them "pimp"/"trick" them out too which is not cheap at all!!   


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 15, 2009, 01:41:07 PM
You know the truck was seen coming from the opposite side of the driveway entrance? It comes from the area just outside of the fence on the northside of the building. I thought it was coming from street. Ambers mom is right I think about what happened.

So I can't believe none of the intersection camera's, or any of the cal trans camera's on the hwy's or freeways. Are there any other camera's pointed to the street and sidewalks at the school? What is the 15 freeway like at this time of day? Which way does the morning commute go, north or south? I would think south to San Diego. This may determine an area if they took the 15. Are there any video logs from any of the traffic camera's from news stations? 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 15, 2009, 02:10:15 PM
The FBI has been helping with the Internet side of the investigation. Quote from news article.

I read this.. But again I wonder why it takes the F.B.I. so long.. ???????????????????????????????????  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I also read that M.Klass insists they are looking for a live Amber and plan on passing out flyer's..


Well .. I hope they find her that way.

The parents must keep up hope that Amber is alive. I always hope for that also..

Mark should note these 3 facts..
1. The fact that they do not have a positive ID on the boy/man seen walking with Amber.
2. The fact is they do not have a positive ID on the red truck
3. The fact is they do not have the person who keyed the phone the day AFTER Amber disappeared..

Now if Mark and mom agree Amber is a run away, then they just need to say so.
The F.B.I. not already having ALL the FACTS on her computer usage is disappointing as it has been 4 months now.
ALSO Mark K. is discounting the relationship of Grandma and Aunt as well as Mother and Sister and Father is suggesting to the family that Amber is a run away..
If Mark is suggesting that Amber is a victim of human trafficking then She is being held ANYWHERE in this large world and I suggest he gets a hold of Dr. Donna M Hughes for education on that subject..

I think Mark K. is irresponsible to suggest to the family she is that close and that passing out flyer's will do any good at all, but that is my just MY opinion..
 

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 15, 2009, 03:15:31 PM
*disclaimer, this is a long, long rambling post of idea's*

This morning I am spending my time trying to figure out how they choose this high school. They are either from that area and know there is high school there or they stumbled on it. So thinking the later I am traveling all around Escondido on Google maps. I have been looking for businesses around the high school that one can see there is a high school and also be on a street with freeway access. Which leads me to a LA fitness on north centre city  parkway, across the other side of the high school. has this business been visited to either ask about members who may have this type of truck or any surveillance camera's? Fitness centers from what I have read are hot spots for rape, especially in the morning hours or late at night. you can see the high school from the parking lot, or so it appears. They would have to travel down Centre city pkwy to Norton turn left then to broadway heading north. or gone in the northern direction on cenre city Pkwy to either country club drive turned right to North Broadway and headed south, the same direction as Amber was walking. Or they could have verged  on to west iris lane right on village road then right onto North Broadway and again heading south. This is the route which makes the most sense to me given this would be the first driveway the truck could turn into to access the high school. there also has to be video of the truck entering the parking lot. have these routes been checked for video or possible witnesses? Is there a camera on the backside of the school grounds  pointed at the fence along Centre city pkwy? Some schools do this to monitor if anyone hops a fence onto school grounds. 

Maybe I am just pulling at straws but maybe if we can answer the question, "why this high school" then it may lead us somewhere. BTW there are 2 other  schools around this high school, one is another high school, Calvin Christian school across North broadway to the north of the high school. Why didn't they choose that school?  Any video? There is also a montessori just north, the whole child montessori. Maybe they drove there too? From the street views it doesn't look as if anyone could really hide from plain sight as they could at Ambers high school. So maybe this high school because it was the one which someone could hide and wait until they see a girl walking alone. There is a parking area north of the maintenance building, facing North Broadway. They could have parked there and waited until they see a girl, one of the men jumps out and starts to walk to amber. The truck moves to a better position and once amber and the other man get close to the driveway the truck moves into place. I sure wish we could see the actual  driveway.

Signing off for now. maybe something I wrote will lead to something. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 15, 2009, 04:44:01 PM
Tracygirl, good thoughts..

Here is a web site for a specialist on the subject of human trafficking..as well as how pimps control girls/women inside of the united states of america..

She has very good reading ..The subject here is

Hiding in plain sight.. A PDF file.

Donna M. Hughes, Ph.D.  http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/










Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 15, 2009, 07:11:49 PM
Tracygirl, good thoughts..

Here is a web site for a specialist on the subject of human trafficking..as well as how pimps control girls/women inside of the united states of america..

She has very good reading ..The subject here is

Hiding in plain sight.. A PDF file.

Donna M. Hughes, Ph.D.  http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/









Thanks Edward, I read through most of the document. Interesting reading. Is this what you feel could have happened to Amber?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 15, 2009, 11:47:50 PM
Tracygirl ...It is what is possible.. I do not know what has happened to Amber ..
It is most common for a run away and the next common is murder.

This scenario is rare.. BUT, IT DOES HAPPEN.

As you can see by reading Dr Hughes work.. These groups are VERY organized.
IF she was taken by a American group that operates within the United States. They will instill in her by various methods not to call home for help.. IF the family gets to close they will just move her.
They can change her appearance to a point that most will not recognise her.
Prostitution comes in many forms today.. from massage parlors to street walkers to bars and high end escorts and the newest form is the web cam performers.. She can be very isolated with the web cam and have a world wide audience that pays money on line.. Although these on line web business were started with seemingly innocent intensions they have now been overtaken by organized pimps. The on line services themselves are being run by various organized crime syndicates..

 When Amber first went missing.. A news article mentioned an arrest of a group of hookers that were busted working out of Motels in Escondido. I do not know what the ELE did with the girls they arrested but most of the time the girls are just released.. The pimps are rarely arrested but are in fact the true criminals and guilty of human enslaver through co hersion in most cases. Threats against family and friends and even an occasional murder committed before there own eyes to convince them that there is no escape from there capture/pimp
Many families have lost a daughter or a son to such groups over the years..

The Mexican groups work in a different way usually hooking the girls on drugs, then the girls work and but drugs with the money. I have also seen pimps in Mexico work girls at a high end as hookers and the pimps escort the girls to a location and wait for them.

The witness who had seen Amy Bradley on a beach noted in his testimony that she was in fact guarded by 2 men, who kept her from talking to him as they recognised him as American.
She has been identified by our F.B.I. as in fact alive.. years later after her disappearance off a cruise ship traveling from Aruba to Curacao. She is being held by such an organized group. After a time they accept there life and even forget about there old life and suffer deeply by Stockholm syndrome.

This is the truth.. What Mark is doing is taking advantage of people and there situation for his gain in my opinion.
Many people support him and that is there right to do so..
I trust more in people like Tim Miller and I do not know who to trust when people are being held in Servitude as local police seem to ignore the possibility when they get these girls into custody through a local arrrest.
It has always been that way..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 16, 2009, 01:19:02 AM
I have an acquaintance which is brave enough to search some of the porn websites and the webcam sites and so on for missing persons, I will pass Ambers information off. this person may already know of her, but I will make sure.

I remember being 14,  it is a confusing age for most. god knows  if I went missing the first thing everyone would have believed was I ran away. I was one of "those" teens.  I caused my parents all sorts of pain and grief. I felt I was too cool to hang around my mom and dad. My friends were out of a parents nightmare. Boys ran my life... I was selfish, childish, rowdy and of course stupid. From what I have read and learned of Amber, she is not this sort of girl. She is the type of girl my parents wish I was. She seems like she was responsible, family oriented, calm, just a good girl. Nothing indicates she ran away, nothing. If you really think about the details of this case, it sure doesn't seem Amber is living in that area. If she is alive, she was taken out of the area, out of the state or country and being held against her will or she would have called her family. A 14 year old just doesn't go from a good kid to a bad kid in one long walk to school! 

I don't know much about Mark Klaas other then his daughter was kidnapped and found killed. Horrible story, just horrible.

Do you happen to know what the traffic patterns are in that area? Is the morning commute north or south on the 15? do you know if  the Cal trans camera's were checked?     


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on June 16, 2009, 02:05:18 AM
Police: Girl, 9, Escapes Abduction Attempt

POSTED: 5:01 pm PDT June 15, 2009
UPDATED: 5:51 pm PDT June 15, 2009

SAN DIEGO -- A 9-year-old girl managed to escape from a kidnapper who accosted her Monday as she was walking to school in Valencia Park and forced her into a nearby minivan, authorities reported.

The abductor drove up alongside the child in the 100 block of Latimer Street about 8:45 a.m., pulled over, got out, grabbed her and told her to get into the vehicle, according to San Diego police.

"She was inside the van for a brief time, but she was able to get free and run away," SDPD spokeswoman Monica Munoz said. "The victim ran to a nearby school and asked for help. In addition, a couple of neighbors nearby saw the incident and called police."

The youngster, who suffered no serious injuries during her ordeal, described the kidnapper as a Latino between 25 and 40 years old, wearing blue or black pants and a lime-green shirt.

He was driving a white 1990s-model Plymouth Voyager or similar minivan.

Anyone with information about this incident is asked to call the San Diego Police Department at 619-527-3500 or San Diego County Crime Stoppers at 888-580-8477.

http://www.10news.com/news/19762148/detail.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 16, 2009, 10:56:26 AM
I have an acquaintance which is brave enough to search some of the porn websites and the webcam sites and so on for missing persons, I will pass Ambers information off. this person may already know of her, but I will make sure.

I remember being 14,  it is a confusing age for most. god knows  if I went missing the first thing everyone would have believed was I ran away. I was one of "those" teens.  I caused my parents all sorts of pain and grief. I felt I was too cool to hang around my mom and dad. My friends were out of a parents nightmare. Boys ran my life... I was selfish, childish, rowdy and of course stupid. From what I have read and learned of Amber, she is not this sort of girl. She is the type of girl my parents wish I was. She seems like she was responsible, family oriented, calm, just a good girl. Nothing indicates she ran away, nothing. If you really think about the details of this case, it sure doesn't seem Amber is living in that area. If she is alive, she was taken out of the area, out of the state or country and being held against her will or she would have called her family. A 14 year old just doesn't go from a good kid to a bad kid in one long walk to school! 

I don't know much about Mark Klaas other then his daughter was kidnapped and found killed. Horrible story, just horrible.

Do you happen to know what the traffic patterns are in that area? Is the morning commute north or south on the 15? do you know if  the Cal trans camera's were checked?     

The modern day pimp/ Loverboy is a true con artist.. they specialize in zooming in on what ever appeals to a young girls mind and promises the world to them..
This is the main trick.. They always get the girl to leave on her own accord... She falls for the Con, thinking life is going to go her way if she leaves.. So there is NO abduction..
That is the really sick part.. Then later on she finds out the brutal reality of her new life..
 

Time for the 10 man war canoe trip around the island.. see-ya tamale.. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 16, 2009, 01:01:35 PM
Edward I can see how this would appeal to some teens, but Amber just doesn't seem like she was this kind of child. Her friends from what I am told are not trouble makers or into drugs and "things". From what I can gather about her she seems like she is sort of on the younger side of 14. In my opinion, this just doesn't seem like what could have happened. I strongly feel she was abducted  and the truck and the man walking are the ones responsible. What happens to her after that??? That is the question.

have fun playing on Catalina! Oh I hate that boat ride, I get so sea sick!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on June 16, 2009, 08:08:17 PM
AG thank you for the update.  For those who have not seen the FBI description it can be found at http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/dubois_a.htm

I wish I was not so far away and could attend and help with the searches.  All I can do is try to get information up here that may be of some help to take to police.  I am hoping that you have had a meeting with the FBI and discussed with them the inconsistencies of local LE approach and information to be held back and why they have realeased some of it.  Now that the description of the ring is out could you perhaps provide a picture of it?

I pray for Amber to come home soon and for the family to remain strong.


Yes.  I will take a picture and posted it on SM.  I bought 4 exact rings, one for each grandchild so have an exact duplicate.  The FBI declines to meet. Thank you for your prayers. GM


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on June 16, 2009, 08:20:23 PM
Correction to say the Auburn incident happens after Amber and after the abduction of the 3 year old ..

with the woman kidnapped from redondo beach, it would appear she was dead not long after the abduction.. So that has to be considered. The culprits returned the vehicle back to redondo beach..

I would have to consider that same area where she was found a search area.
The lake northwest of escondido also, as it is within the range of the cell phone being turned on. It is a park with 2 roads for entry and exit and it has a rural entry and exit from the back side.

The cell phone being turned on the next day indicates Amber gave her password info to the culprits or she is alive and did it herself..
I have no way of knowing which one .. She could still be alive..
We have seen it go both ways over the years.. but after 4 months, alive is a slim chance.
It has happened.

What are the Odds??
I would think 75 percent not alive. 25 percent alive at this time.
I am not a betting man myself. I just keep doing research and hope and pray for the best.
Amber, Aunt and I have the same phone Verizon LG. You can open the keyboard without a password. Amber's first of these phones was stolen in school the first day she had it and later found by LE after she was taken.  The current one was likely tossed as any idiot would know it could be traced. Probably was a kid that found and opened it.  I really doubt they tried to get into her voice mail. NOt an expert but likely the phone pinged when the phone was opened and then died. This phone does that.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ambers Grandmom on June 16, 2009, 08:38:31 PM

Amber's mother, Carrie McGonigle, emphasized that about 10 remaining volunteers will continue to search for Amber "until we find her."

They'll still gather each weekend to search for the bookish 14-year-old, but will now meet at local parks or restaurants instead of the building on North Quince Street near Mission Avenue, Amber's parents said.

Teams of searchers, initially in the hundreds, have trekked through Escondido's rural stretches each weekend since Amber vanished.

The teen was last seen Feb. 13 as she walked to school on North Broadway. Her parents have described her as a model student and structured teen who never spoke of running away from home.

They continue to believe she was abducted by a stranger, Amber's father said.

Without evidence to support either theory, Escondido police have classified the case as simply a missing juvenile. A once steady stream of tips from across the nation that reached more than a 1,000 has slowed to a trickle, police have said.

"There's been nothing told to us as far as anything new or significant," Dubois said.

He added that the experience has been extremely difficult: "It's hard," he said. "It just tears you up every day and every week. There's not a day that goes by that I don't break down and cry for an hour or two."

Amber's mother, Carrie McGonigle, could not immediately be reached for comment.

Escondido police Lt. Bob Benton said investigators continue to follow all leads, but added that there have not been any major developments.

Along with the volunteer-led searches, Amber's family has organized numerous community gatherings. Two more are planned for this weekend: On Saturday at 1 p.m., the family will conduct a prayer vigil at the center marking the 4-month anniversary of Amber's disappearance.

On Sunday, a benefit concert takes place from 3 to 6 p.m. at the OC Tavern at 2369 S. El Camino Real in San Clemente.

More information about the events and the search for Amber is at www.bringamberhome.com.

Amber is described as 5 feet 5 inches tall, 130 pounds. Anyone with information about her whereabouts should call Escondido police at (760) 839-4722.

http://www.northcountytimes.com/articles/2009/06/10/news/inland/escondido/zc2fbcdcf35256f2d882575d1005e39ec.txt

The Gathering at the search center was very moving.  I was MC and only cried twice and stumbled over the mike cord once, so, grateful for that.  Carrie showed her latest film with music and very few dry eyes.  Klaas spoke mostly about the current problems with the Amber Alerts. Candles lit by family. Pastor prayed. We Sent up many, many balloons.  Poignant.
The fund raiser was a loud and joyous renewal of our determination to find Amber.  The bands were great.  Carrie and Allison (Ambers little sister) enchanted everyone there. 29 members of my family were there ...we needed 30. GM


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 17, 2009, 01:21:34 AM
AG thank you for the update.  For those who have not seen the FBI description it can be found at http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/dubois_a.htm

I wish I was not so far away and could attend and help with the searches.  All I can do is try to get information up here that may be of some help to take to police.  I am hoping that you have had a meeting with the FBI and discussed with them the inconsistencies of local LE approach and information to be held back and why they have realeased some of it.  Now that the description of the ring is out could you perhaps provide a picture of it?

I pray for Amber to come home soon and for the family to remain strong.


Yes.  I will take a picture and posted it on SM.  I bought 4 exact rings, one for each grandchild so have an exact duplicate.  The FBI declines to meet. Thank you for your prayers. GM

A picture would be great.  I am assuming LE has sent bulletins and is monitoring pawn shops in the area.  Have you been keeping an eye out on ebay and the likes for the ring?  Are you able to tell us what the presents were that Amber was carrying for her friends that were not recovered or found as of yet?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 17, 2009, 02:28:32 PM
Correction to say the Auburn incident happens after Amber and after the abduction of the 3 year old ..

with the woman kidnapped from redondo beach, it would appear she was dead not long after the abduction.. So that has to be considered. The culprits returned the vehicle back to redondo beach..

I would have to consider that same area where she was found a search area.
The lake northwest of escondido also, as it is within the range of the cell phone being turned on. It is a park with 2 roads for entry and exit and it has a rural entry and exit from the back side.

The cell phone being turned on the next day indicates Amber gave her password info to the culprits or she is alive and did it herself..
I have no way of knowing which one .. She could still be alive..
We have seen it go both ways over the years.. but after 4 months, alive is a slim chance.
It has happened.

What are the Odds??
I would think 75 percent not alive. 25 percent alive at this time.
I am not a betting man myself. I just keep doing research and hope and pray for the best.
Amber, Aunt and I have the same phone Verizon LG. You can open the keyboard without a password. Amber's first of these phones was stolen in school the first day she had it and later found by LE after she was taken.  The current one was likely tossed as any idiot would know it could be traced. Probably was a kid that found and opened it.  I really doubt they tried to get into her voice mail. NOt an expert but likely the phone pinged when the phone was opened and then died. This phone does that.

Thank you
That little pice of info changes everything for me.. I was under the impression since the beginning that Amber tried to access her phone messages..

Now I am lost again..
I feel bad sorry.





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on June 17, 2009, 04:11:23 PM
GM said: "Amber, Aunt and I have the same phone Verizon LG. You can open the keyboard without a password. Amber's first of these phones was stolen in school the first day she had it and later found by LE after she was taken.  The current one was likely tossed as any idiot would know it could be traced. Probably was a kid that found and opened it.  I really doubt they tried to get into her voice mail. NOt an expert but likely the phone pinged when the phone was opened and then died. This phone does that.
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Edward said: "
Thank you
That little pice of info changes everything for me.. I was under the impression since the beginning that Amber tried to access her phone messages..

Now I am lost again..
I feel bad sorry. "

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Edward,  I too remember reading that Amber or someone, tried to access her messages on the 14th but could not because the password had been changed.   One ping makes that sound unlikely to me.   Probably the cell ping is useless information. 

This means that there is no sign of Amber after that morning.  Now doubting the witnesses saw her on the way to school, and believing the school security tapes do not show her entering there brings my thoughts back to her neighborhood.  Neighbors, workmen, school employees, acquaintances and coworkers of her Mom and bf should all be considered as possibly "of interest".   Now family knowing them, you can cross off most of them immediately. 

If this is a case of kidnapping for sex trade, teen revenge, or ransom, I have no idea what to do.  If it is not that, then what?   I know this sounds silly and simplistic, but I personally would get me a dog, feed it and give it treats with one of Amber's socks, and go walking around that neighborhood, stopping to talk whenever possible, and to listen for any strange sounds.    I'd repeat several times a day until something in this situation changes.  Won't hurt
and might help. 

Chi-M




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 17, 2009, 05:45:09 PM
Sounds like a good idea Chi Monkey..

Without that phone attempting to check messages, anything is possible.

Teen violence is the only pattern I have left.
 2 times in Escondido in recent News there have been teen on teen attacks by friends of the victims
both were stabbings and one of them is dead..

Also..
Somebody mentioned early on on a news article comment section,  An address just behind the street where Amber lives that needed to be checked out.
Apparently Amber liked to go there before school..
I know nothing more about that.

Another person asked why Pam quit driving Amber to school.. I have no idea what that is.. I did question that person on that, she again told to me to ask her mom WHY Pam quit taking Amber to school and made no more comment...
I blew it off...

I am lost without that phone.. Other then what I have just written I have no more Local Escondido thoughts..
   


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 17, 2009, 07:03:38 PM
I think this was a random kidnapping, not by anyone who knew Amber. I strongly feel the red truck was involved. The only thing we do not have confirmation of is the man walking with Amber.

Too bad no one turned in the cell phone, it would have provided valuable information. Maybe offer a reward in the news paper asking for anyone who may have found a cell phone to please contact and offer up a huge reward. This is if you have the serial number so you can identify it. They would at least be able to provide where it was found.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on June 17, 2009, 08:03:01 PM
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/feb/27/bn27amber184328/?zIndex=59769

Police seeking public's help in search for missing teen
By J. Harry Jones, Union-Tribune Staff Writer

6:43 p.m. February 27, 2009


ESCONDIDO — It's been more than two weeks since Amber Dubois disappeared, and police have no idea whether the 14-year-old Escondido High School student has been abducted or left on her own.

...  Snipped for brevity and copyright compliance  ........


Police say hundreds of students have been interviewed, and members of Amber's family have been given polygraphs. The FBI has been assisting in the investigation.

Computers Amber used at her home on Fire Mountain Place home and in Orange County where she lives with her father on weekends have been seized an examined for possible clues.   

Investigators also visited 53 homes in northeastern Escondido that have been abandoned due to foreclosures, Carter said.

“Every day something new comes up that we follow up on,” he said.

... Snipped .......

--------------
I missed that they specifically visited (searched I hope) 53 abandoned homes in north Escondido.   That relieves one worry of mine.   Empty or abandoned houses, farms and ranches are so often used for bad purposes by teens and criminals.

Chi-M


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on June 17, 2009, 09:23:38 PM
 Monkeys, I have a question for you.

I have tried to read everything written about Amber, but I just realized that I don't know about after school activities, Girl Scouts, Band, sports, clubs, etc.   Or, music lessons, dance, etc.

Also, it is said that she was a religious girl, but was she attending a certain church, or was she in a church youth group? 

This information might offer new areas to research.


Thanks,

Chi-M


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 18, 2009, 12:20:37 AM
Surveillance Images Released in Abduction, Rape of Local Teen
KTLA News
June 13, 2009

REDONDO BEACH -- Police released surveillance images Friday of the vehicle believed to have been used in the alleged kidnapping and rape of a 16-year-old girl.

The Los Angeles Police Department said the girl was walking in an alley in the area of Peck Park, about 10 miles away in San Pedro, around 5:30 a.m. Wednesday by a gunman in his thirties. She was walking to school at the time of the abduction.

The assailant drove up alongside her, displayed a semiautomatic handgun and initially demanded money, according to LAPD Detective Gregory Stone.

Stone said the suspect then ordered the teen to get into the car and lie down on the floorboard. He covered her with loose articles of clothing, according to Stone, and took the girl to an empty, unlocked garage in the 800 block of South Catalina Ave. in Redondo Beach.

The suspect bound the girl with packing tape, covered her eyes and sexually assaulted her, Stone said.

By about 7:30 a.m., the man was gone. The victim managed to free herself and ran to a nearby apartment complex, where she called 9-1-1.

The girl called 9-1-1 from a nearby apartment complex.

The suspect was driving a black, 4-door vehicle, which police believe is pictured in the surveillance images released Friday.

He wore pantyhose to disguise his face, but left behind clothing that might help police track him down.

The suspect was described as being in his late 30s, 5 feet 8 inches tall and about 160-180 pounds.

The LAPD is handling the case along with Redondo Beach police because the initial attack happened in San Pedro, officials said.

Anyone with information that could help police find the attacker was asked to call the LAPD at (877) 527-3247.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-redondo-teen-assaulted,0,6568984.story


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 18, 2009, 07:49:32 PM
With recent talks of 'gangs/gang related in here, I thought I would post this link. I came across it looking for something else.

35 arrested in south Los Angeles County gang sweep
Long Beach Press Telegram
Posted: 06/18/2009 03:57:45 PM PDT

http://**/breakingnews/ci_12622201


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on June 19, 2009, 02:09:48 PM
Monkeys... I have come to confess to driving sins.  Many times I have turned into drives where I was not wanted, looking for a cut through, to turn around or look at my maps.  I acted just like the red/maroon truck driver.   Other than  that it should not have been there, we know nothing about it.  Maybe it's suspicious and may be a tourist was looking for McDonalds for a McMuffin.   I will keep on looking on Google for the pickup, but we really need more to go on. 



Chi-M


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on June 19, 2009, 08:30:30 PM
Monkeys... I have come to confess to driving sins.  Many times I have turned into drives where I was not wanted, looking for a cut through, to turn around or look at my maps.  I acted just like the red/maroon truck driver.   Other than  that it should not have been there, we know nothing about it.  Maybe it's suspicious and may be a tourist was looking for McDonalds for a McMuffin.   I will keep on looking on Google for the pickup, but we really need more to go on. 

Chi-M

Valid point - we all have done that or similar - but would you have chosen a crowded chaotic school yard to stop and check?  I really wish we had more to go on too - I really do.  18 Fridays since Amber disappeared is 18 too many.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on June 19, 2009, 09:12:04 PM
This map shows crime in the area of home and Amber's school in late Feb. - Mar. 2009.  I see some house robberies and car break ins and Narcotics arrests around the school.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on June 19, 2009, 09:48:26 PM
This map shows crime in the area of home and Amber's school in late Feb. - Mar. 2009.  I see some house robberies and car break ins and Narcotics arrests around the school.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on June 19, 2009, 09:59:10 PM
This is my final try.  Sorry folks.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on June 19, 2009, 11:42:50 PM
I've been gone for a couple of weeks and am so far out of the loop...just wanted to let the family know that you all, as well as Amber, are still in my daily prayers.  God bless you. 

Lovinlife


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 20, 2009, 12:22:46 AM
Monkeys... I have come to confess to driving sins.  Many times I have turned into drives where I was not wanted, looking for a cut through, to turn around or look at my maps.  I acted just like the red/maroon truck driver.   Other than  that it should not have been there, we know nothing about it.  Maybe it's suspicious and may be a tourist was looking for McDonalds for a McMuffin.   I will keep on looking on Google for the pickup, but we really need more to go on. 

Chi-M

Valid point - we all have done that or similar - but would you have chosen a crowded chaotic school yard to stop and check?  I really wish we had more to go on too - I really do.  18 Fridays since Amber disappeared is 18 too many.

1 Friday is too many.  My prayers are for Amber to return safe and that your family remain strong until then.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: califmom on June 20, 2009, 02:40:11 PM
Monkeys... I have come to confess to driving sins.  Many times I have turned into drives where I was not wanted, looking for a cut through, to turn around or look at my maps.  I acted just like the red/maroon truck driver.   Other than  that it should not have been there, we know nothing about it.  Maybe it's suspicious and may be a tourist was looking for McDonalds for a McMuffin.   I will keep on looking on Google for the pickup, but we really need more to go on. 

Chi-M

Valid point - we all have done that or similar - but would you have chosen a crowded chaotic school yard to stop and check?  I really wish we had more to go on too - I really do.  18 Fridays since Amber disappeared is 18 too many.

Ampersand...  :smt056    Your post brought tears to my eyes..18 too many is right!!  My heart goes out to you and your family.

Hugs and Prayers to all of you, but especially to Amber... may she return home safe and sound before 18 turns to 19 and so on!!

Blessings,
Califmom


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 21, 2009, 01:47:47 PM
You still have the North tower and You still have a red pick up.

The scared monkey research team still has no idea where has been searched and where has not and this forum is too Public to post that information.




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 21, 2009, 02:17:58 PM
"Local news web sites in Escondido" that have comment sections that are open to the public to make comments have proven to me that the public does not want to be involved. Some want to make some heart felt well wishing comments or some sort of immature posts by ignorant people which are commonly referred to as Trolls, that come in all age groups.
 Although I do think that leaving comments wide open for news reports is a good thing for investigative research, as every now and then I have come across a post that does appear to have investigative leads that do need to be looked into.
I have no idea if any of the research done in this forum has or has not been looked at by ELE. I am not here to discount investigators.I do believe ELE has recorded many things or they would not have so many folders. Whether or not those leads have been looked at or not, I have no idea. 

I was not able to do any searching on this trip to the areas I think are possible for various reasons.. and for all I know I would be redundant in searching those spots..
I am home now.
I will try to reorganized a trip to that area in the future but I am going to let Mark K. show us all how it is done first.
 Him thinking Amber is Alive.
I hope she is.

God Bless Amber and I pray she is alive and God bless and please help this family..



 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 21, 2009, 02:28:37 PM
Comment left by news report reader..

Micha Saturday, Jun 13 at 7:30 PM FLAG COMMENT..
Please start searching for Amber up in Riverside County. Check Lake Elsinore area,Temecula,And the Hemet area. Or take time and try to check out the Indio area. Thank you.I remember when Samantha Runnion went missing the perpetrator drove from Stanton in Orange County and than dumped her on the Killen Trail which was about 50 miles from Stanton.The Killen Trail is in Riverside County. I hope that you will find AmberPlease start searching for Amber up in Riverside County. Check Lake Elsinore area,Temecula,And the Hemet area. Or take time and try to check out the Indio area. Thank you.I remember when Samantha Runnion went missing the perpetrator drove from Stanton in Orange County and than dumped her on the Killen Trail which was about 50 miles from Stanton.The Killen Trail is in Riverside County. I hope that you will find Amber


http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Vigil-Held-for-Teen-Missing-for-4-Months-.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 21, 2009, 02:43:32 PM
Ampersand here is your answer on the body found..

Coroner case 700903374 VN: On Monday, May 18, 2009, a crew performing a survey in the desert west of Primm, Nevada, came upon human skeletal remains west of the Interstate 15 Freeway. The Sheriff Department was notified of the discovery Wednesday morning (May 20, 2009), and recovered the remains that same day. Examinations will be conducted to determine the identity and cause of death. Anyone with information is urged to contact the San Bernardino County Sheriff Department - Coroner Division at 909-387-2978, or the Homicide Detail at 909-387-3589. [05/20/09 2057 VN] UPDATE 05/21/09: The skeletal remains were examined today by a forensic anthropologist and determined them to be of an adult male (designated "John Doe #40-09"), probably middle-aged. Additional examinations are scheduled. [05/21/09 1950 VN]

For anyone interested, here is an ID on this man >>
Carlos Leon-Martinez, 52
 http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/19807680/detail.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 21, 2009, 05:10:44 PM
(http://kfmb.images.worldnow.com/images/10522651_BG1.jpg)

reader comment from news article..

San Marcos
Friday, June 12, 2009Look, there is a HUGE Pron/prostitute ring here in Vista, and it is happening all over the world. It's not like Amber is a willing particiapnt, men steal young girls and force them to sleep w/ men, as hookers...go watch "Taken" its the most accurate depiction that I have seen so far, I don't think that the comment was meant in disrespect, but in a real concern...(it just came out wrong)

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=10522651

I have already mentioned these prostitution rings working the area..
It is hard to get LE to take this serious..mo.






Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 21, 2009, 09:37:07 PM
For six years, “Michelle” prostituted herself on Craigslist.

A month ago, everything changed.

For privacy reasons, she asked 10News not to show her face.

“It was like panic. Everybody was calling from all over, trying to figure out what are we going to do,” Michelle said.

Uncertainty, after Craigslist began cracking down on prostitution by examining each listing before putting it up.

Anything explicit, “They take off instantly,” Michelle said.

Since then, the changes are noticeable.

Law enforcement sources say there are fewer adult ads, less skin and less obvious propositions like "an unforgettable experience."

10News even found a "classy blonde" reading a book.

Despite the cleaner ads, Michelle says too many were being flagged, so pimps got impatient.

“I know girls that have never been to the track and their folks are making them go to the track now,” Michelle said.

The “track”, she mentions, means the streets.

Michelle says girls across the state are flocking to El Cajon Boulevard.

“It's rolling on El Cajon, they were talking about it,” Michelle said.

But once on the streets, “I started reflecting on my life,” Michelle said.

The she made a decision.

Two weeks ago, she left the business.

“It was just, it's not worth it anymore,” Michelle said.

Others, too, are leaving the streets for other adult sites.

Michelle says pimps aren't happy, because the sites aren't as popular as Craigslist.

"Michelle" made the decision to leave prostitution after outreach efforts by the Jahi Turner Foundation and The Rock Church.

http://www.10news.com/news/19807671/detail.html




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 21, 2009, 09:41:45 PM
Maurice Dubois wrote an open letter today.. The News media has cut it up and I have only found parts of it..

Here is what I know..

Since she went missing, "I have felt like my heart has been ripped out of my body," Maurice DuBois wrote. "Words can't explain how I feel every day without you here." I couldn't imagine Father's Day being worse than when Amber's grandfather died, but "this year is by far worse. I don't have my Amber here.

"It has been 128 days that our family has been torn apart, and each one seems longer than the last. There is no day that goes by that I don't cry for hours before falling asleep."

Maurice DuBois closed the letter by saying thousands of people were praying for her, and he had faith that she would return safely.

http://www.10news.com/news/19817494/detail.html



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 21, 2009, 10:02:39 PM
This is by far the best video and investigative reporter on the red truck..

http://www.760kfmb.com/Global/story.asp?S=10240558




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 22, 2009, 02:21:31 AM
This is the clearest video of the truck I have seen. I wish we could see if the truck turned left or right, if it stopped at the drive way for more then just a few seconds or if it left quickly. Also, I wonder if Amber could have started to walk through this drive way to maybe get were she was going faster. If there was just another camera.

Ambers dads letter made me cry. So sad to read of the pain this family is going through. I know one day she will be found, I just pray it is sooner then later.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 22, 2009, 04:48:42 PM
Clarrisa ..12 years old  5'7" 120 lbs missing Irvine Ca.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5473.0

Sounds like a run away out of control girl to me.. but who knows..
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 22, 2009, 05:59:34 PM
San Diego and a fight against a prostitution ring recorded at this web site..

http://25missingpersons.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=humantrafficking&action=display&thread=27&page=1




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on June 22, 2009, 06:09:05 PM
I'm stuck on the truck from the bus yard...I'm still trying to figure out if it's a Dodge or a Toyota, lol.  Wonder if it's even relavent.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I wish they could figure out if it is suspect or just someone pulling over.  IMO it is not someone pulling over to use cell phone (does CA have the "hands free" law? In OH we can still drive & talk on an actual phone).  If someone wanted to pull over to use their phone there would be pleanty of other more accessable places to do it, one would think. 

Edward, can you post the map that is in this post http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4583.msg807510#msg807510 in this thread http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5313.0  for easier access?  I would do it myself, but not sure how... ::MonkeyConfused:: TIA, Lovinlife


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 22, 2009, 07:08:08 PM
Which map ? the google image map ? or the one that ampersand posted ?


My way of thinking of this is this.. Do not second guess yourself.
The red truck has something to do with this because of its drivers behavior.
1. He parks facing the street, when the white car pulls in he quickly backs up past the entry gate and pulls forward and to the right parking on the far side of a parked car. His truck is now blocked from view on the right side and in front of the red truck is blocked by the bus.. Out his lefty side door is the running tack for the high school..
The red pick up seeked out a spot out of view so as to get his victim under control in my opinion.

Do not second guess yourself.. It is not healthy  ::MonkeyWink::
Everyone is correct in suspect of the Red/Maroon pick up. Its actual make and model are interesting but without a license plate number useless because so many of these trucks are in operation all over the united states and Mexico.


 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 22, 2009, 08:59:32 PM
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=escondito+high+school+&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=28.749334,54.931641&ie=UTF8&ll=33.148924,-117.091773&spn=0.000925,0.001676&t=h&z=19 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=escondito+high+school+&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=28.749334,54.931641&ie=UTF8&ll=33.148924,-117.091773&spn=0.000925,0.001676&t=h&z=19)

I don't know how to post pictures, I think this is a link which will take you to a google map.

If it shows, you will notice the parking lot to the right side of the maintenance yard with the street to the rear of the truck. this is where the truck parks. It comes from the left front of the maintenance yard. If you notice the green patch of lawn on the other side of the driveway, across from that is the baseball field, there are parking spaces facing the street. My thought is he was waiting there for someone walking on the side walk or someone to walk in that parking lot. Could Amber have walked through the lot to get where she was going?

I had asked before if there had been video from businesses around the school, specifically the health club on the other side of the school. Or the other schools in that area, there are 2 others right off the same street. Also, cal trans traffic camera's have they been checked for this truck? What way does traffic go in that area in the morning? These question may at least give us a direction to look in?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 23, 2009, 07:34:54 AM
Maurice Dubois wrote an open letter today.. The News media has cut it up and I have only found parts of it..

Here is what I know..

Since she went missing, "I have felt like my heart has been ripped out of my body," Maurice DuBois wrote. "Words can't explain how I feel every day without you here." I couldn't imagine Father's Day being worse than when Amber's grandfather died, but "this year is by far worse. I don't have my Amber here.

"It has been 128 days that our family has been torn apart, and each one seems longer than the last. There is no day that goes by that I don't cry for hours before falling asleep."

Maurice DuBois closed the letter by saying thousands of people were praying for her, and he had faith that she would return safely.

http://www.10news.com/news/19817494/detail.html



(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/helpfindthemissing/letter-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 23, 2009, 04:20:06 PM
OMG I am now a crying mess. The letter was very, very touching.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on June 23, 2009, 06:37:39 PM
Bringing this forward:

Light Amber's way home:
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Amber

Amber's Website:
www.bringamberhome.com



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 23, 2009, 06:50:03 PM
From Ambers website www.bringamberhome.com

PRAYERS FOR AMBER'S SAFE RETURN

Heavenly Father, You tell us to ask and it will be given to us.
We are asking, pleading, and believing You will bring Amber home safely. Lord, release an army of angels to surround her in this very moment, to protect her mind, body, and spirit.
Send Your warriors to fight off whatever enemies she is facing. Send forth a light ahead to show her rescuers exactly where she is that she may be found and returned to the aching arms of her family. Let not discouragement or despair gain an inch in the battle to bring Amber home. You are mighty to save. You can move mountains. You know where she is, Lord. Please shine Your light, release the enemy's grip, and by the awesome power of Your Holy Spirit reach into the hearts, minds, eyes, and ears, of the people who have seen Amber, who know where she is right now and can bring her home safely.

We ask this in the precious, powerful and holy name of your beloved son, Jesus, Amen.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 24, 2009, 06:09:10 PM
Was Amber Leeann Dubois A Victim of Human Trafficking ?

http://legalpublication.blogspot.com/2009/06/was-amber-dubois-victim-of-human.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 24, 2009, 09:55:38 PM
I posted comments in that above posted link as anonymous, on How Amber could be taken into the world of Human trafficking. I did not post it on this forum.
There are many victims of forced sexual servitude that never leave the united states..
Some do.
She could be 2 blocks from home and NEVER call home or police..
If the family does not believe that they need to contact Dr.Donna M.Hughes and get educated on the subject matter.
I know grandma has talked to Amber, but what Grandma does not understand is that THEY know how to twist the human mind as a profession and she is only 14.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 24, 2009, 09:57:36 PM
ANYTHING is possible in this particular case.. Amber could in fact be alive.
Putting up posters will only make her captures move her.
jmho


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 24, 2009, 11:47:58 PM
I would also like to mention we do not have a long list of americans that we know for a fact have been forced into human servitude out side the united states of america.. So if she is victim there is a good chance she is within our borders..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on June 25, 2009, 12:18:47 AM
Morning, girl going to school, no record (which means nothing as he just may not have been caught yet.

http://www.theunion.com/article/20090624/WEBUPDATE/906249998/1001/NONE&parentprofile=1053

Wednesday, June 24, 2009

A 54-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of trying to kidnap a 9-year-old girl as she was walking on Larson Street in Olivehurst, Yuba County Sheriff Steve Durfor said Tuesday.

Charles Dean Sherling, who lives in the Johnson Park area in Olivehurst, was being held Tuesday in Yuba County Jail on $100,000 bail.

An Olivehurst woman called the Sheriff's Department about 8:30 p.m. Monday to report that a stranger had tried to get her granddaughter into his truck. Sherling allegedly stopped and asked the girl for directions to Johnson Park School, said Durfor.

"The girl pointed toward the school, but the man asked her to get into the truck and show him where the school was. The girl refused and backed away, and the man yelled at her and demanded she get into the truck," Durfor said.

Sherling then jumped out of the truck and lunged at the girl, who ran. He then drove off, the sheriff said.

As a deputy was speaking with witnesses near the girl's home, two of them spotted Sherling driving by and said, "There he is," Durfor said.

Deputies stopped the truck on Highway 70 near Erle Road. Witnesses identified Sherling, who was arrested and booked into Yuba County Jail.

Durfor credited the girl with acting correctly when approached by a stranger.

"Her quick thinking undoubtedly led to a happy ending in this case. This incident is the perfect opportunity to discuss safety with your children, and what they should do in a similar situation," he said.

Sheriff's spokeswoman Melany Oakes said that as far as the department knows Sherling has no arrests or convictions for any sex-related charges. His only convictions are for domestic violence, she said.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on June 25, 2009, 12:11:46 PM
Morning, girl going to school, no record (which means nothing as he just may not have been caught yet.

http://www.theunion.com/article/20090624/WEBUPDATE/906249998/1001/NONE&parentprofile=1053

Wednesday, June 24, 2009

A 54-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of trying to kidnap a 9-year-old girl as she was walking on Larson Street in Olivehurst, Yuba County Sheriff Steve Durfor said Tuesday.

Charles Dean Sherling, who lives in the Johnson Park area in Olivehurst, was being held Tuesday in Yuba County Jail on $100,000 bail.

An Olivehurst woman called the Sheriff's Department about 8:30 p.m. Monday to report that a stranger had tried to get her granddaughter into his truck. Sherling allegedly stopped and asked the girl for directions to Johnson Park School, said Durfor.

"The girl pointed toward the school, but the man asked her to get into the truck and show him where the school was. The girl refused and backed away, and the man yelled at her and demanded she get into the truck," Durfor said.

Sherling then jumped out of the truck and lunged at the girl, who ran. He then drove off, the sheriff said.

**snipped**

 :smt119 :smt119 :smt119 :smt119 A truck?  Color, make, model?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on June 25, 2009, 12:14:21 PM
Saving anyone else from having to look it up that is also geographically illiterate...Marysville, CA is north of Sacramento, CA,


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 25, 2009, 04:16:04 PM
OT ..But it is in the area..



Investigators say a California woman held hostage in her home by an ex-boyfriend has been saved by a chance visit from a bill collector.
San Bernardino County sheriff's Deputy Mark James says the debt collector knocked on the door Wednesday. The 30-year-old woman answered, scribbled the word "help" and her ex's name, Miguel Rios.

When the debt collector asked if she was OK, the woman cried and whispered that Rios had a gun and was holding her hostage.

Deputies were called and the 28-year-old Rios was arrested. The woman, held since Sunday, had bite marks and bruises, including marks on her neck where Rios allegedly tried to strangle her.

Rios was booked for investigation of false imprisonment and making terrorist threats, among other allegations.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/06/25/national/a121558D52.DTL&tsp=1


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: ChiChi on June 26, 2009, 01:14:30 AM
Maurice Dubois wrote an open letter today.. The News media has cut it up and I have only found parts of it..

Here is what I know..

Since she went missing, "I have felt like my heart has been ripped out of my body," Maurice DuBois wrote. "Words can't explain how I feel every day without you here." I couldn't imagine Father's Day being worse than when Amber's grandfather died, but "this year is by far worse. I don't have my Amber here.

"It has been 128 days that our family has been torn apart, and each one seems longer than the last. There is no day that goes by that I don't cry for hours before falling asleep."

Maurice DuBois closed the letter by saying thousands of people were praying for her, and he had faith that she would return safely.

http://www.10news.com/news/19817494/detail.html



(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/helpfindthemissing/letter-1.jpg)

OMG I am with you Tracy, I have a lump in my throat that HURTS.  I pray that God will ease their misery.  I have not been around here too much lately, I know it says I am always on here, cause I don't log out, I just close my lap top and I guess it keeps me logged in.  But I have much reading to get caught up, it is nice to see everyone still working so hard.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: ChiChi on June 26, 2009, 01:44:54 AM
Okay I'm caught up, unfortunately there wasn't as much to read as I had anticipated. 

I am somewhat frustrated.  Are we stll getting feedback from Amber's family? or someone close to them?  I am wondering about that human traffiking article Edward posted, and have wondered about this myself much.  I don't think I had heard that Amber recently started chatting with some boys or whoever online though.  All IP addresses can be retrieved from your hard drive that your computer communicates with.  Have the EPD seized their computer? What are they doing in an effort to search?  Why hasn't someone figured out (FBI computer experts or something) what type of truck, year, etc.  done a search for all those spec's to see who bought this type.  Looks like a lot of custom stuff on it to me... and maybe all these things have been done, tried, etc., but would help us I think if we knew...

I too have asked about local business cameras but never heard anything.  I am so tired of these sicko's taking our children it must stop.  I cannot even imagine how her parents feel, heart wrenching.  I will let myself for a moment, just a second really, think about what if it were one of my three daughters.  Worrying, wanting to rescue them, but not knowing where in the hell to look or what to do.  Wondering is she thinking MOM FIND ME>>>> and feeling so helpless.  And then I have to stop and realize it is not my child, thankfully, but it could be.  It could be any of us.  We need to do whatever we can to tighten the restrictions on released sex offenders and make tougher sentencing laws on crimes involving children.  In my opinion, child sex predators should never be released from prison, it seems they always re-offend with a more heinous crime. IMO

I pray Amber is rescued TODAY, please God allow her to return to her family.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 26, 2009, 11:17:52 AM
And then I have to stop and realize it is not my child, thankfully, but it could be.  It could be any of us.

We must find a way to stop the bad people ..  It is all about money to them.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on June 26, 2009, 02:37:52 PM
Volunteers Needed for Flyer Distribution!
 
Saturday June 27th -
 
9AM  Meet at McDonald's
31700 Grape Street - Lake Elsinore, CA
 
12Noon at Tom's Farms
23900 Temescal Canyon, Corona, CA
 
http://www.bringamberhome.com/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 26, 2009, 02:38:26 PM
We need a world wide organization that monitors online web cam performers and has the right to verify age and identity of those performers and they need to be able to investigate and interview legal and non legal prostitution ..
They need to have jurisdiction world wide to save victims on the moment and or have local police arrest pimps who are both male and females.

Seems impossible as it would be a united nations agreement between ALL nations
 But this is what really needs to happen. 

jmho
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 26, 2009, 06:37:16 PM
Volunteers Needed for Flyer Distribution!
 
Saturday June 27th -
 
9AM  Meet at McDonald's
31700 Grape Street - Lake Elsinore, CA
 
12Noon at Tom's Farms
23900 Temescal Canyon, Corona, CA
 
http://www.bringamberhome.com/

They must be thinking she is a run away.. ?  ::MonkeyRoll::



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on June 27, 2009, 12:40:06 PM
Volunteers Needed for Flyer Distribution!
 
Saturday June 27th -
 
9AM  Meet at McDonald's
31700 Grape Street - Lake Elsinore, CA
 
12Noon at Tom's Farms
23900 Temescal Canyon, Corona, CA
 
http://www.bringamberhome.com/

They must be thinking she is a run away.. ?  ::MonkeyRoll::


I'm not sure, what makes you think that Edward? 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on June 27, 2009, 02:22:13 PM
Volunteers Needed for Flyer Distribution!
 
Saturday June 27th -
 
9AM  Meet at McDonald's
31700 Grape Street - Lake Elsinore, CA
 
12Noon at Tom's Farms
23900 Temescal Canyon, Corona, CA
 
http://www.bringamberhome.com/

They must be thinking she is a run away.. ?  ::MonkeyRoll::

I'm not sure, what makes you think that Edward? 
What would make you think that?  The simple truth is, we have coverage in SD county, but very little in surrounding Riverside, San Bernardino, Orange and LA Counties - we need more coverage about Amber's disappearance - we need community awareness as far and wide as we can take it!  I know many of you have already printed flyers from BringAmberHome.com and posted them - please continue to do when whenever and where ever possible and encourage others to do the same.  We won't stop searching until our sweet girl Amber is home - your help is always appreciated.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on June 28, 2009, 06:17:49 PM
And then I have to stop and realize it is not my child, thankfully, but it could be.  It could be any of us.

We must find a way to stop the bad people ..  It is all about money to them.

Edward,   Yes, there must be more we can do.  You have offered some good ideas along this line.    International organization would be great, but may be currently beyond our reach.  How about pushing for a FBMC, "Federal Bureau for Missing Children" spun off the FBI but using their lab and other resources?    Do you think we could raise enough interest and pressure to move something like that forward?   

Chi-M

Bring Amber home.





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on June 28, 2009, 07:03:54 PM
Okay I'm caught up, unfortunately there wasn't as much to read as I had anticipated. 
I am somewhat frustrated. 

Are we stll getting feedback from Amber's family? or someone close to them?  

 I am wondering about that human traffiking article Edward posted, and have wondered about this myself much.  I don't think I had heard that Amber recently started chatting with some boys or whoever online though.  All IP addresses can be retrieved from your hard drive that your computer communicates with.  Have the EPD seized their computer? What are they doing in an effort to search? 

Why hasn't someone figured out (FBI computer experts or something) what type of truck, year, etc.  done a search for all those spec's to see who bought this type.  Looks like a lot of custom stuff on it to me... and maybe all these things have been done, tried, etc., but would help us I think if we knew...

I too have asked about local business cameras but never heard anything. 

 I am so tired of these sicko's taking our children it must stop.  I cannot even imagine how her parents feel, heart wrenching.  I will let myself for a moment, just a second really, think about what if it were one of my three daughters.  Worrying, wanting to rescue them, but not knowing where in the hell to look or what to do.  Wondering is she thinking MOM FIND ME>>>> and feeling so helpless.  And then I have to stop and realize it is not my child, thankfully, but it could be.  It could be any of us.  We need to do whatever we can to tighten the restrictions on released sex offenders and make tougher sentencing laws on crimes involving children.  In my opinion, child sex predators should never be released from prison, it seems they always re-offend with a more heinous crime. IMO

I pray Amber is rescued TODAY, please God allow her to return to her family.

ChiChi  Good to see you again. 

Your three main questions answered as best I can:  ( I do my best, but this is JMO.)

Family feedback:  not much recently.

Computer:  EPD has searched the computers and  services.  They've not announced any helpful findings.

Additional Security Cameras:   No information at all released that I know about.

Burgundy  truck:  The film has been studied, but the quality cannot be enhanced enough to get a License or make and year.

I know it is discouraging, but maybe tomorrow there will be something new. 

Chi-M

Bring Amber home!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 28, 2009, 07:12:46 PM
Chi Monkey
 I think anything would be better then nothing.. 4 years ago a group of us set out to expose forced human servitude and to write everyone in the world to get some action.. AND some things did in fact happen.. and some things did not happen.. One of our people found photos of the missing person Amy Bradley posted on a web site that caters to adult vacations.. adult vacations is where a person pays money for a prostitute to stay with them 24-7 for some period of time and the girl/boy caters to there every need.. The photo is clearly an older Amy Bradley... That is not the update listed at the F.B.I. web site.. They have a drawing and another location for her, The F.B.I. said Amy was not found at that particular Adult vacation spot where her photo was found when they went looking..
I still have all the information relative to that spot on the face of this earth and others just like it in the Caribbean .. The spot which the photo of Amy was located on was Margarita island in Venezuela.. It was posted at a web site and Dr.Phil also brought attention to it during his investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
 Caracas Venezuela was known as the sex vacation capitol of the world prior to the Dr. Phil investigation and suddenly it is not anymore..
 Also a lot of web sites popped up on the Internet claiming to be of some help to victims of forced slavery and sexual servitude and I monitored quite a few of them.. It was All words and I have not seen much help out of any of them..
I think they are just collecting money in donations and writing a few articles..
The biggest help came from the BBC and because of there constant articles the United Nations did step up. We then see quite a few Brothels busted around the world and We do get quite a bit of an education into the world of LoverBoys and Crime syndicates with estimates on just how much a girl is worth to them in dollars and it is an astounding figure..
The Netherlands has busted quite a few and so have the Germans and so has the united states..Venezuela has not busted any. Nor has Mexico.. and I have a lot of first hand info on Mexico because I have invaded there country and went to see this world for myself.. There is no escape for these girls unless a 3rd party with jurisdiction is created to step in in my opinion, everyone is so corrupted in Mexico.  Most of this is controlled by underworld who supply rich people or people with money with girls. The underworld does not want to get caught and the rich protect them as the rich do not want to get busted.
The reality for the girls is good and bad..If they behave and cooperate some become accustom to there life.. Those that do not die.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 28, 2009, 07:19:16 PM
Sexual Exploitation of Children in San Diego County


A sixteen-year-old girl who was nearly beaten to death by Tomás Salazar-Juarez, one of the brothers running the prostitution ring in Vista. She was brutally beaten for attempting to escape a life of forced prostitution.
Salazar forced the sixteen-year-old into a room duct-taped her hands and feet. Salazar then grabbed a wire clothes hanger from a closet,wrapped it tightly around his hand and forced the other young girls to watch him beat her for two hours. She was bruised so bad that it looked like she had been cut with a filet knife. He then told the rest of the girls "this is what will happen to anyone else that tries to escape."
Neighbors called the police thinking that it was a domestic violence situation. Unfortunately, Salazar got away before the deputies arrived at the crime scene. Another fifteen-year-old girl, whose baby was kidnapped prior to crossing the border, and used as security to force her to sell her body to up to thirty men per day for nearly six months until Rick Castro, a deputy with the San Diego County Sheriff’s Department and chair of the newly funded San Diego Region Task Force on Human Trafficking, has been responsible for dozens of raids in North County San Diego since 1996. His boss gave him a clear mandate: “end the stench of prostitution in the city of Vista!”Castro has raided dozens of brothels and migrant “sex camps” in northern San Diego County.

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One of the web sites that monitors Forced Sexual Crimes is called Captive Daughters..

I took an article from there web site local relative to San Diego and It is 2003 and although time has changed this crime still happens today..

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Children Forced into Prostitution in San Diego Agricultural Camps


Girls and adolescents are kidnapped and taken to San Diego, where they are obliged to prostitute themselves in agricultural camps



El Universal (The Universal Newspaper)

Thursday, January 9, 2003



Anabel Hernández García (translated by Chuck Goolsby)

Courtesy of El Universal newspaper from Mexico City



Part I of III



SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA - When Rick Castro, a deputy sheriff for San Diego County burst in to the house in Vista, a lower middle class neighborhood to the north of San Diego, the first thing that he saw was the destitute brown eyes of a slight girl no older than fourteen, whose hair hung to the middle of her back, dressed in a short black miniskirt and a white tee shirt with the red and blue letters "USA" on it.



The officer was moved by her beauty, but was moved even more by the look of terror in her eyes. Paola had just arrived a few weeks ago at this house of prostitution, dragged there from Morelos, Mexico by the Salazar brothers. Julio, Tomás y Luciano Salazar-Juárez are the dons of the largest local network trafficking and sexual exploiting Mexican girls and adolescents, who have operated for over ten years in the agricultural camps and suburbs of San Diego.



The three men from the Mexican state of Oaxaca had found in the land of opportunity the perfect place to build their empire, trafficking from southern Mexico to the U.S. border with their human merchandise. In their path, they kidnap, extort, corrupt and violate our national laws and those of the United States, with nobody to stop them.



This is the first of three parts of an investigation conducted by El Universal, during which we received testimonies, data, documents and physical evidence showing the methods used by this criminal organization, that according to our information has extended its reach to Fresno, Nevada and New York.



Christopher Tenorio, U.S. Department of Justice prosecutor for the Southern District of California, and San Diego deputy sheriff Rick Castro revealed for our newspaper the details of how this gang operates. At the end of 2001 the FBI began a formal investigation against the Salizar brothers, whom were also presumed to be involved in drug trafficking.



Hundreds of girls, from 12 to 18 years old, originating in Oaxaca, Michoacan, Morelos and Veracruz, have been kidnapped or duped into being stripped of all of their human rights and converted into sexual slaves in local farm labor camps. The locations in San Diego where this network operates are: Vista; Las Casitas de Escondido; Las Antenas, Carlsbad; Carrizales, Oceanside; Del Mar, and Los Gatos, in Valley Center.



Paola, the "USA" girl, having been filed away in the gang's "system" was handled by Tomas Salazar. During her few days in the American union she had been passed through all of the exploitation camps. Because of her beauty, she became preferred merchandise, and day and night had to service long lines of men, indoors and out. Of the 20 dollars that each "client" paid, she never saw one dollar. Tomas keep all of the money.



The houses of prostitution



This is the largest prostitution outfit in all of San Diego, deputy sheriff Castro assures us. Since 1996, Castro, of Mexican ancestry born in the U.S., has followed the tracks of the Salazar brothers. "When I came to work with the sheriff, I was the only one who spoke Spanish, so at that time they gave me the task of investigating cases of child prostitution. The case had been open for two years, but no movement was made because none of the officers spoke Spanish," recalls Castro, 39, who today is the primary source of information for the FBI. He spent months tracking Tomas and Luciano Salazar. He photographed the houses in Vista where minors were prostituted; he patrolled the highways, tracking trucks full of clients going to the exploitation camps, and he received testimony from neighbors.



Three years later, working with the INS and armed with a court's search warrant, Castro entered the prostitution houses located near Kelly's Bar on North Santa Fe Avenue. He found dozens of women, among them girls between 12 and 16 years old, victims of commercial sexual exploitation.



"When we went in we found record books tracking the number of clients served by each woman and stopwatches to limit their service to clients to ten minutes. We confiscated dozens of empty boxes of condoms, each box having held a thousand condoms. We were able to calculate how many clients the house had and how much money it generated. We also found refrigerators full of beer, shelves full of alcoholic beverages and handguns."



Deputy Castro recalls that when they interrogated the minors, the girls stated that they were older, 19 or 20 years old, "but their bodies and their eyes reflected a much lower age." That's how deputy Castro met Paola. The older women refused to testify in court, but in exchange they did supply officers with the addresses of other houses held by the Salazars, and police were able to shut down 25 such locations.



How they get their victims



Nobody knows how many people are in the Salazar organization, but investigations by the authorities reveal that this is an organized crime gang made up of various components: the procurers, who locate victims; the traffickers, who take them to the U.S.; and the "big daddy's" (pimps) who conduct the sex trade with their victims.



The adolescent girls trafficked by the Salazar brothers are poor in every sense of the word. They don't have money, they don't have a future and they don't know how to read or write.



The Salazar brothers have various ways of procuring their victims: they build an emotional relationship with them; they convince the minor girl and her family to let her be taken to the U.S. to work; or they kidnap them. Many of the girls have children, either by one of the three brothers or by other men. These children are snatched from their mothers and are kept as hostages. When a girl tries to escape, she is told that her child will be killed.



To transport these minor girls to the U.S., the exploiters pay coyotes up to $1,500 each, deputy Castro tells us. Usually, they are taken across the U.S. border at Tijuana and Tecate. The main members of the gang are: Miguel Hernández or "Tonatiuh", Edmundo Zitlapopoca, and Arturo and Pedro López, both from Atlixco, in Puebla [state].



The three Salazars



The Salazar brothers came to San Diego without a penny. They began a "business" prostituting their wives. Now their legacy is one of tales of the cruel exploitation of children, the wads of dollars that they take from the exploitation camps, and the hellish punishment that anyone who tries to escape them awaits.



Once, in one of the Salazar brother's houses in Vista, Julia, 17 years old, refused to work. Tomas, who exploited her, closed the business and in front of everyone else beat her with a hook until he ripped flesh from her arms, legs and back. Tomas was imprisoned for domestic violence and is serving a 20 year sentence, made easier by the thousands of dollars that he continues to make every week from exploiting women, even while behind bars.



Luciano was detained at the end of last December [2002] when he came to a wake with three of the prostituted women. So far, he has only been jailed for being undocumented, but according to prosecutor Tenorio and deputy Castro, authorities have successfully obtained evidence allowing Luciano to be charged with exploiting minors, thus unmasking the network.



Julio who is 37 years old, is the oldest brother and the leader of the organization. He is the only legal [U.S.] immigrant and has his own tow truck business, which, it is rumored is used to transport drugs. Deputy Castro notes that Julio is still free, and that he is the worst one of them all.




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Part II of III



TRAFFICKING AND SEXUAL EXPLOITATION



* A sociologist relates one of the most dramatic stories of prostitution. Reyna, after falling into drug use and alcohol, later recovers her lost son. *



El Universal (The Universal Newspaper)

Friday, January 10, 2003

Nation, Page 20





SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA - The first time that Marissa Ugarte saw Reyna was at the end of 2001, at the San Diego Police Department. The 15 year old girl, who looked 30, with her split lip and a eye swollen shut from the beating that she had just received, remained strong, in the pose of a fatalistic woman. It was then that she began to reveal the past that had worn her down, allowing a wounded child to shine again.



Marissa, the granddaughter of Salvador Ugarte, founder and former owner of the commercial bank Bancomer, never imagined when she came to live in this city five years ago that she would be a witness to such a criminal tale, without a happy ending, and would spend hours listening to the most profound grief that she had ever heard.



Who would imagine that San Diego, a paradise for thousands of children who year after year visit Sea World, Wild Animal Park and the San Diego Zoo can, for some children, turn into hell. This is the dirty secret of this city, as the non-governmental organizations call it, a secret that Reyna lived through during seven months. Reyna was one of the victims of the child sex trafficking and exploitation gang that operates in San Diego, lead by three Mexican men: Julio, Tomas and Luciano Salazar-Juarez.



Marissa began to hear rumors about the trafficking of children, fake adoptions and the sale of children when she worked in the DIF (Desarrollo Integral de la Familia-The State System for the Full Development of the Family) in Tijuana in 1997. She heard that these children where being taken to San Diego to be exploited to make pornography.



That was until 2000, when she began her work as a sociologist with EYE, an agency aiding children in crisis in San Diego, where she began to be certain about what was happening here. In this county, from Escondido to Point Loma to Balboa Park, in the heart of the city, all forms of illegal sexual exploitation exist: child pornography; trafficking in mostly underage male and female sex workers; and high risk homeless children who prostitute themselves to survive. This is due, says Marissa, to the fact that this is one of the most important military communities in the United States, in addition to the fact that there is a strong market for sexual services from farm laborers.



We began to hear that an American 'corridor' for the trafficking of children utilized for commercial sexual exploitation existed, and, together with the University of San Diego, Children's Hospital and the legal counsel's office for San Diego County, we created the Bilateral Safety Corridor Coalition for the Prevention of the Commercial Sexual Exploitation of Minors, which is now composed of 35 Mexican and American organizations. Marissa is the organization's Executive Director.



In 2001 the commission informed the Mexican consulate about what was occurring in the farm labor camps. Mexican girls and adolescents were being sexually exploited by their own fellow countrymen. "They ignored me, believing that the story wasn't true, and that it was exaggerated. I decided to go to UNICEF in Mexico to denounce the abuses that were occurring. I was later called by the Mexican consulate and they asked me for a formal complaint supported by concrete evidence." The consular official contacted Rick Castro of the San Diego Sheriff's Department, who had been investigating the Salazar brother's gang during the past three years. The Mexican Consulate made its formal complaint directly to the U.S. Government, and demanded an investigation.



"Three weeks later, we got our first case," recalls Marissa.



We were called by a child protection network in San Diego. We were informed that the network had a girl who did not fit within the criteria used by the Polinsky Children's Center, because the case involved a girl who was a sex trafficking victim, and they didn't know where to send her.



Marissa contacted deputy sheriff Castro because the case was from the neighborhood of Vista. The local police department had received an emergency call reporting that a young girl had escaped from prostitution in the farm labor camps and had been beaten by her pimp, Arturo Lopez, who worked for the Salazar brothers.



When the police found her she had a split lip, and she was bruised and scared. "She wore a tiny miniskirt and a jacket, and was so over-painted that you almost couldn't recognize her real face. She looked to be between ten and fifteen years older than her real age. Her hair was short and dyed brown, her mouth was small, she had the eyes of a dreamer and a very seductive attitude.



"When we began to interview her she broke down and out came an agonized human being drowning in pain." She was sent to a shelter for battered women.



The Mexican consulate contacted the local U.S. federal prosecutor and Reyna agreed to make a formal criminal complaint. Starting at that point, little by little, Reyna began revealing her story. She was from Puebla, Mexico. She had barely finished second grade. Her mother died when she was seven years old. Reyna was then supported by her grandmother, who also died. After that, her father was left in charge of her. One day, when she was 11, her own father gave her as a gift to a local police chief who raped her without end. After having been so neglected, and with a baby now in her arms, Reyna met Arturo Lopez, from the town of Atlixco in the state of Puebla. Arturo, after pretending to fall in love with her, convinced Reyna to work as a servant in the United States, for which Arturo recommended that she leave her baby with some of his relatives. Reyna had no other options, so she accepted the offer.



Reyna was taken to Tijuana, and while she waited to be crossed over the border, she was forced, with threats that her baby would be killed, to prostitute herself in the red zone known as "la Coahuila." She was finally transported across the U.S. border by a coyote, Alonso Sapien, also known as "El Chivero."



In San Diego, Reyna came to live in a neighborhood in Vista where she found other girls like her. A week later she found herself in the sexual exploitation camps for farm workers.



"The real horror is in the sheer number of men that, at the age of 15, Reyna was forced to serve as a prostitute. In one hour she had to serve 20 men, and they made her work from 8 AM until 2 in the afternoon. We are not talking about just prostitution, but also about slavery, about the violation of all of Reyna's human rights," noted Marissa.



Reyna began to become physically sick. One should understand that for any person who is forced to submit themselves to being a victim of sexual exploitation, the physical, emotional and spiritual deterioration is profound. Reyna, to cope and survive in that world, began to use drugs and alcohol.



One day, during the judicial process, Reyna became tired of telling her story again and again to the authorities, because each time she had to relate the story she was forced to relive what had happened to her.



"It was a terrible re-victimization. What I did was to stay with her two or three hours at a time, but that wasn't enough. When she came to the shelter she was drowning in her own pain, and then the post-trauma began, as she recalled the tragedy of her life from the time of her young childhood," noted Marissa, who accompanied the girl throughout the entire process. She still remembers Reyna banging her head against the wall.



"One day she came and asked me 'how is my makeup.' She didn't have a drop of makeup on. That's when she stopped being Reyna and returned to being the little girl that she was. It took over nine months for her to accept her real name. The child could not take any more. The judicial process stopped and the only thing that Reyna asked for was that her child be returned to her. During the middle of 2002, the Mexican consulate began to search for her child.



In Oceanside Arturo Lopez' brother Pedro was detained, and he convinced his brother to turn Reyna's son over to the Mexican DIF in Puebla. After passing through numerous legal hurdles, the DIF returned the child to Reyna.



At the beginning of May, 2002, Adrian Martinez, a Mexican consular official in charge of human rights protection, traveled with Reyna to Tlaxcala to recover her child.



"The baby was now three months old, and actually didn't recognize his mother. His first reaction was to cry, but thirty minutes later he didn't want to leave his mother."



While Reyna was recovering her child, Marissa lost her own child to a fatal cerebral tumor.



Today, Reyna has obtained a "T" visa for victims of trafficking, and she participates in a special program for child victims of exploitation in Phoenix, Arizona. Arturo Lopez Rojas, the man who exploited Reyna, escaped to Puebla. It was said that he would be charged but to this day nothing has happened. The PGR (Attorney General of the Republic) is investigating the case in Mexico.





© 2003 Copyright El Universal-El Universal Online


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Part III of III

MINORS ARE PROSTITUTED IN FARM LABOR CAMPS IN SAN DIEGO



El Universal (The Universal Newspaper)

Anabel Hernández (Third and final part of a series)

January 11, 2003





SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA - Thirty five minutes outside of San Diego is the suburb of Oceanside, which is popular for it's splendid residential zone and its commercial fields of strawberries bordered by fields of golden reeds. This is where the nickname of "the reed beds" (Los Carrizales) came from. Here is where the "fields of love" are located. That is what the Mexican criminal gang of Julio, Tomas and Luciano Salazar-Juarez, traffickers and exploiters of Mexican girls and teens, called the exploitation camps where their victims where taken to provide sexual services for between 100 to 300 farm workers at a time. For all of these "clients" there is service every day, at every hour. We're taking about prostitution in the open, without walls, nor windows, nor beds nor sheets. There, on the ground in "caves" made of reeds, is where the only taste left in the mouths of these girls is dirt, alcohol and the sweat of their "clients."



"The first time I went to the camps I didn't vomit only because I had an empty stomach. It was truly grotesque and unimaginable," recalls Patricia, our fictitious name for a medical doctor who works with government supplied resources, and who for the last five years has been in contact with the Salazar brothers, working to prevent HIV/AIDS and other venereal diseases in these exploited minor girls.



"If I wanted to help these girls I had to develop a relationship with the pimps. I learned that in the city of Guadalajara, where I worked for many years. I had to convert myself into someone who doesn't judge, who doesn't express opinions, but only listens. At one point one of the Salazar brothers took me to the girls in Los Carrizales because the girls didn't come out of the fields to meet me that time."



If ones travels along North River Avenue, at first there are only enormous houses valued at around $300,000 dollars each. California-style houses. Red tile roofs, painted from cream to orange, with flowers in their gardens. Just behind these houses are the fields of Japanese farmer Victor Sang.



"To get to the "fields of love" one has to pass by the Super 7 and the CIT 60 gas station on North River Avenue, at the corner of College Boulevard.



A few meters from the gas station, by the sidewalk of a Baptist church, you find a sign marking the location of an oil pipeline, which has a towel wrapped around it. Beyond that are the fields and a passageway.



It is an area of fields of reeds so thick that you can't see who is next to you. Once you enter these fields, a kilometer from the street, the reeds become thicker and you have to bend over to walk.



In these dense reeds you will find around eight "caves" made within the reed thickets, one right next to the other. Pieces of plastic bags are tied to the reeds. These are used by the minors to throw condoms and the toilet paper that they use to clean up with after each encounter with a 'client.' After the bags are filled they are disposed-of so as not to leave any evidence behind.



Within the caves, on the ground, you find empty beer bottles, boxes of liquor bottles, shreds of cloth, pieces of blankets, plastic junk, hats, tee-shirts. All deaf witnesses to hours of horror.



All of this junk is mixed in with open condom packets and dozens of used condoms that leak semen into the ground. The musky smell floods the air, making your stomach turn. This is hell... virtual fields on fire. "When I came here, in one hour I counted that one little girl had been with 35 men, one after the other. She just lifted her skirt. It is just vaginal masturbation," notes Patricia. "Generally they do this to the girls who are no longer virgins. They spend six months being transported back and forth through the various camps."



"The girls that I saw that time [in the fields] were very young, they were not over 14 years old. they had been sold a lot to 'los gringos' (American men)." "This area is full of red necks, they are far right-wing white American men to whom they sell the virginity of little girls" notes Patricia.



I was present many times when these gringos called Julio [Salazar] asking to be sent a "cherry girl" (a virgin).



It is here, in one of the five corners of San Diego, where the Salazar brothers have extended their network.



This is where Paola, Reyna and dozens of other young girls were brought. All of them innocent "Eréndiras," [a character in a novel by Nobel laureate author] Gabriel Garcia Marquez, whose deflowering was motivated by greed.



The ages of the girls that are brought here become younger as time goes on, now starting at nine and ten years old. "I once saw a seven year old girl. What was a seven year old girl doing in a place of prostitution? She wasn't anyone's daughter, they were using her," recalls the doctor in her desperation.



We are talking about defenseless persons, who have tragic life histories behind them. They live in a condition of post-traumatic stress syndrome, and in that condition they cede all authority to their victimizers.





The escape of Julio Salazar



It was exactly here, in Los Carrizales, where one year ago the gang of the Salazar brothers was almost detained.



In December of 2001, in an operation coordinated by the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), more than 100 INS and FBI agents and sheriff's officers conducted a raid.



The agents didn't dare to enter the reed fields for fear of being ambushed, so they waited for the subjects to come out of the fields.



More than 50 people were apprehended. They included five minor girls who were prostituted in the fields, clients, and Julio Salazar, leader of the gang, who during the confusion managed to evade the officers and escape.



"A lot of money is involved in this business, thousands and thousands of dollars. I have seen myself how U.S. INS agents have sex with these minor girls for free, in exchange for protection. These agents even enter the houses of prostitution in uniform. May a lightning-bolt split me in half if I am lying!" exclaimed the social worker [Patricia].



The minor girls were placed in U.S. INS detention, where they were interrogated without the assistance of psychiatrists who could have intervened in the crisis. What the agents wanted was a formal complaint against the Salazar brothers, allowing them to be charged, but the girls declined to cooperate. The girls were deported, and all of the persons detained were freed.



"I fought a lot with the U.S. government and they told me that I shouldn't do anything, that I had signed a federal agreement of confidentiality and that I could not form a complaint from anything that I had been told [in this case]."



I understood that I could not stand up in face-to-face confrontation like Samson, concluded Patricia.





The deaths in Carlsbad



At another location similar to Los Carrizales, in [the San Diego neighborhood of] Carlsbad, during the last two years the bodies of minor Mexican girls, with signs of torture and abuse, have begun to appear, San Diego deputy sheriff Rick Castro tells us.



Nobody knows who these murder victims are. Nobody even claims their bodies because it is presumed that they are undocumented. They could be girls trafficked by the Salazar brothers. Castro assures us that he knows nothing about the case of the murder of [hundreds of] women and girls in Cuidad Juarez [Juarez City], Mexico, but given the common pattern of the abuse of victims in both cases, the modus operandi appear to be similar.





(c) 2003 Copyright El Universal-El Universal Online, México.

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Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 28, 2009, 07:42:31 PM
It is said that a minor child is worth 2 million dollars to the underworld when the minor is supplied to the very rich. From Drug dealers to company execs who make a request for body type, skin color, hair color and eye color.
 Her captures will also take her and have plastic surgery done as well as teeth, nails and what ever else to create an item to sell..
She is to them, ONLY an item to sell. If you think her captures have one bit of concern for her, you are naive..

If one of them has her, they have the ability to move her on a seconds notice, private planes and escorted vehicles..
They are willing to do things in Freon of her to make her cooperate..

Anyone who think Amber is victim of one of these groups, then your method of approach should be well thought out or you will blow the chance of finding her because they WILL move her.. Even the lowest level pimp can do this.. Move her from here to there quickly..


If you think all she has done is run away with a boy, then none of the above need apply.

That is my educated opinion on this subject.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 28, 2009, 08:21:56 PM
By the way ..
In Mexico there is no center for lost and missing.. A girl is taken from Sonora and She is working in Aguascalientes and Nobody even knows she is missing because it does not get past a local police report made by her family..
The average Mexican citizen never travels 60 miles beyond where they are born.. Many are born at home and have no birth certificates or medical records...
There is no real infrastructure in Mexico and news at one end of the nation is unknown at the other end..
It is all done on purpose by a corrupted group who has controlled Mexico for many years..
But in fact there is 350 missing girls in Nuevo Laredo Mexico alone over a period of 10 years.. Bodies have been found in the desert surrounding that city for years.. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 28, 2009, 08:27:50 PM
On the subject of computer usage..MuffyBee made a great point on another thread..

Sometimes kids go to other people's houses and use their computers to create and access myspace and other websites even if you have parental controls and forbid this at your own house.  Or they can go to the public library and use computers there.   Back to the old "where there's a will, there's a way" saying.  Parents may not even know their kids have a myspace.


A question from a news report reader..  Why did Pam quit taking Amber to school ?



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 28, 2009, 10:56:00 PM
A Mexican man has been detained for allegedly plotting to sell a young woman, two girls and two boys for $2,000 apiece in the United States, police said Sunday.

Police in the northern state of Sonora said the 19-year-old woman and girls aged 12 and 15 were kidnapped by the suspect and another man. The woman and the girls were freed after being held since June 22 at a house in the town of Cananea, near the Arizona border, police said.

The suspect confessed that he planned sell them to a contact in the United States to work as prostitutes, the a police statement said. He also allegedly wanted to sell his two stepsons, ages 1 and 4, it added.

The man has not been formally charged. He is being held on suspicion of human trafficking, a charge that carries a maximum punishment of 23 years in prison.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090629/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_mexico_human_trafficking_1

This todays news..
This man is an idiot, but you can see he was able to kidnap victims out of deep Mexico, Sonora in this case, with the intention to sell them into prostitution.
You never herd a missing child report on any of them..
This is real life in Mexico..



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 28, 2009, 11:04:54 PM
I pray every day for Amber's safe return home.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on June 29, 2009, 04:46:50 AM
This is by far the best video and investigative reporter on the red truck..

http://www.760kfmb.com/Global/story.asp?S=10240558




I wish they would show an example of what the truck looked like..chrome this and that...I now pay close attention to every maroon truck I see but I am not really sure of what I am looking for. Red is NOT maroon, and it appears to be a maroon colored truck.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 29, 2009, 12:36:42 PM
Hi Shell..

What I am most interested in is the drivers behavior relative to the white car coming in the driveway.. Also, I am interested in the driver of the white car.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Red/Maroon pick up makes an evasive maneuver relative to the white car. THAT behavior shows me that somebody in that pick up wants a private spot for 3 minutes..
Now was that at the request of Amber ? or because they needed to get Amber under control ? ..One way or the other.... That pick up Backs up and pulls around to the other side of a parked car to get out of the view of the white car..
Also the F.B.I. web site is to Vague on what kind of pick up it is..
The comparisons done at web sleuths and posted here at scared monkeys is the best comparison photos available and narrows it down to 3 types of vehicle..
The F.B.I. should read here before posting at there web site..

They did the same with Amy Bradley.. We have a real photo of her and the F.B.I. posted some drawing they came up with ..


I get frustrated with all I see..



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on June 29, 2009, 01:07:12 PM
You're invited to join the Facebook group "BRING AMBER HOME".

To see more details and confirm this group invitation, follow the link below:

http://www.facebook.com/n/?group.php&gid=123068501205&mid=af2b76G43ddb0f0Ga5e841G6

Thanks,
BRING AMBER HOME


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 29, 2009, 01:29:46 PM
Thanks, Ampersand..
Will check it out after I sign up for facebook..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on June 29, 2009, 02:54:17 PM
You're invited to join the Facebook group "BRING AMBER HOME".

To see more details and confirm this group invitation, follow the link below:

http://www.facebook.com/n/?group.php&gid=123068501205&mid=af2b76G43ddb0f0Ga5e841G6

Thanks,
BRING AMBER HOME

Thanks Ampersand.   Did I see that the plan is to coordinate all efforts and information on facebook now?    We will be watching for news.   




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on June 29, 2009, 06:33:52 PM
You're invited to join the Facebook group "BRING AMBER HOME".

To see more details and confirm this group invitation, follow the link below:

http://www.facebook.com/n/?group.php&gid=123068501205&mid=af2b76G43ddb0f0Ga5e841G6

Thanks,
BRING AMBER HOME

Thanks Ampersand.   Did I see that the plan is to coordinate all efforts and information on facebook now?    We will be watching for news.   



I don't have facebook & won't get it.  Any updates appreciated.  Thanks, Lovinlife


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on June 29, 2009, 06:55:56 PM
You're invited to join the Facebook group "BRING AMBER HOME".

To see more details and confirm this group invitation, follow the link below:

http://www.facebook.com/n/?group.php&gid=123068501205&mid=af2b76G43ddb0f0Ga5e841G6

Thanks,
BRING AMBER HOME

Thanks Ampersand.   Did I see that the plan is to coordinate all efforts and information on facebook now?    We will be watching for news.   

I don't have facebook & won't get it.  Any updates appreciated.  Thanks, Lovinlife
It's an effort to further spread Amber's story to all four corners of the world - she could be anywhere.  If you have FB - great - if not - no problem - we will continue to post and update information on the website and everywhere else we can think of.  Thanks, Ampersand


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on June 29, 2009, 06:58:13 PM
Amber's Lamb to be Auctioned
Amber was going to purchase a lamb for her school FFA project the day she went missing.
Her school has been caring for the lamb that will be autioned off at the Junior Livestock Auction Saturday, July 4th
Del Mar Fairgrounds  -  2260 Jimmy Durante Blvd, Del Mar, CA  -  starting at 10AM

"One of the Fair's most enduring traditions, the Junior Livestock Auction is the culmination of a year-long agriculture program involving more than 1,000 young people who are members of 4-H, Future Farmers of America (FFA) and Grange. During months of "hands-on" training, these youngsters carefully raise and care for an animal project they have selected and paid for."

Amber wanted so much to be a part of this project.  Funds raised by the auction of the lamb will go to the Amber Dubois Trust Fund for continuing efforts to Bring Amber Home. The lamb will also be shown July 1st and 3rd at 1pm in the Livestock area.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on June 29, 2009, 07:28:17 PM
It's an effort to further spread Amber's story to all four corners of the world - she could be anywhere.  If you have FB - great - if not - no problem - we will continue to post and update information on the website and everywhere else we can think of.  Thanks, Ampersand
Facebook is a great way to spread the word over state and country boundaries and I completely think this is a wonderful idea.  Praying for Amber.  Lovinlife


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 30, 2009, 05:37:21 PM
I want to show you something about Mexico... The only reason is the close proximity to Mexico.. Anything is possible and Anywhere..
It has nothing to do with Amber, but it could be.. I want to say again..

1. Runaway is the most common.
2. Murdered for various reasons second most common.
3. The OTHER category.. In the other category is kidnap for various reasons..
Money or forced sexual servitude "slavery" this is very Rare in United States of America

This is just for historical reference.. 
When Dr. Phil sent his people into Mexico looking for a live Natalee Holloway..
 They ended up running from Mexico at high speed, they came across the same things I am trying to tell you about. You will not just walk in and grab Amber by the hand and walk out..
You will not talk with police and get help ..
This is controlled by Big Money and very very dangerous people, not just in Mexico but All Over The World.
 I wrote to Greta at Fox News and told her of MEXICO
So Dr. Phil went looking like a giggly American.. They did not listen .. He learned a lesson..

=============================================

Dr. Phil was on the Jay Leno Tonight Show last night and revealed that he thought Natalee Holloway was alive and being held as a sex slave.

Dr. Phil was hesitant to reveal what he termed, “too much information” Wednesday night. However, the doctor’s light-hearted appearance on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno turned serious when discussing the issue of the missing Alabama teenager.

“Without giving up too much information… we believe Natalee Holloway is alive.’

Dr. Phil pointing to what he termed the “sex slave market” as the main point of focus in the ongoing investigation. via JuicyNews

What information he has and how he has come to this assumption we do not know. However, it is interesting that as the family is in Aruba delivering a letter pleading for a new investigative team, Dr, Phil is going on one of the most influential television programs in the United States stating he believes Natalee Holloway is alive. Was this a concerted effort between Dr. Phil and the family, or was it coincidence?

From Jay Leno:

LENO: I KNOW YOU’VE BEEN WORKING ON THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE

DR. PHIL: I’VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH BETH TO KEEP IT IN THE NEWS
FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS IN ARUBA AND IN OTHER COUNTRIES.


WE HAD OUR HIDDEN CAMERA INTERVIEW WITH DEEPAK WHERE HE REVEALED COMMENTS WHERE THOSE BOYS KNOW HER…THAT THEY KNOW HER IN AN INTIMATE WAY

I CAN TELL YOU THE ARUBA GOVERNMENT IS CORRUPT. WE SENT THEM THE TAPE AND THEY ARE TRYING TO SAY IT WAS TAMPERED WITH.

WE HAVE REASONABLE BELIEF, WITHOUT GIVING FALSE HOPE, THAT NATALEE IS ALIVE - WE DON’T KNOW WHERE

THERE IS A HUGE SEX SLAVE INDUSTRY IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD

WE ARE IN CONTACT WITH BETH ON A REGULAR BASIS. WE HAVE ALL OUR RESOURCES LOOKING FOR HER.

IMAGINE IF YOU HAD BEEN ABDUCTED AND PEOPLE STOPPED LOOKING FOR YOU.

WE WILL FIND NATALEE ALIVE AND IF NOT WE WILL FIND HER BODY.

IF BETH HAD NOT BEEN SO DETERMINED THIS WOULD NOT STILL BE IN THE NEWS.

I JUST HAD TO BRING A GROUP OUT OF MEXICO BECAUSE THINGS WERE GETTING PRETTY BAD….MAYBE WE WERE GETTING TOO HOT


=========================================================

Before Dr. Phil sent people to Mexico
Another private investigator went to Caracas Venezuela and tried to find out if a live Natalee Holloway had been taken there and held at local Brothels, he only had his chest sliced open but he survived.
Venezuela is where the FARC operate from under the control of Hugo Chavez. It WAS known as the sex vacation capitol of the world prior to Natalee Holloway going missing. It is also where most of the Cocaine is produced by enslaved indigenous Indian people in the Andes mountains. It is then guarded and shipped by the FARC through many South American nations..  ALL of these supposed drug lords in Mexico come from FARC military training, the FARC were originally trained by Cuban and Russian soldiers and are known for there brutal methods. You read of those Brutal methods today in Mexico in this created drug war with people and weapons supplied by Venezuela and other supporting nations of Hugo Chavez into Mexico.

My point is this, be careful in searching outside of our Nation for Victims of forced sexual servitude. Within the United States I would also be careful and let private undercover investigators locate her.
Let F.B.I. authorities free her if she is held in those conditions. 
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on June 30, 2009, 08:42:45 PM
Amber's Lamb to be Auctioned
Amber was going to purchase a lamb for her school FFA project the day she went missing.
Her school has been caring for the lamb that will be autioned off at the Junior Livestock Auction Saturday, July 4th
Del Mar Fairgrounds  -  2260 Jimmy Durante Blvd, Del Mar, CA  -  starting at 10AM

"One of the Fair's most enduring traditions, the Junior Livestock Auction is the culmination of a year-long agriculture program involving more than 1,000 young people who are members of 4-H, Future Farmers of America (FFA) and Grange. During months of "hands-on" training, these youngsters carefully raise and care for an animal project they have selected and paid for."

Amber wanted so much to be a part of this project.  Funds raised by the auction of the lamb will go to the Amber Dubois Trust Fund for continuing efforts to Bring Amber Home. The lamb will also be shown July 1st and 3rd at 1pm in the Livestock area.


Thanks for posting. It is great the lamb's procedes will go to help find Amber.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 30, 2009, 09:10:51 PM
Kidnapping by south of the border males can also be unrelated to servitude..
There is a strong cultural belief in the virgin as wife.. Although these cases are rare here is proof of one of them..

Saturday, March 29, 2003 Posted: 11:02 AM EST (1602 GMT)

RAEFORD, North Carolina (AP) -- A man accused of kidnapping an 11-year-old neighbor, who disappeared in June 1999 and recently turned up in Mexico, was arrested in rural northeast North Carolina, authorities said.

Hector Majarro Frausto, 22, who is wanted on first-degree kidnapping and felony statutory rape charges, was arrested Friday, said Hoke County Sheriff Hubert Peterkin.

Authorities had been looking for Frausto since last week, when Dana Pevia contacted officials in Mexico to report herself missing. The girl, now 15, returned to Raeford on Wednesday with her two young children.

A resident saw Frausto's picture in a newspaper and notified authorities, Peterkin said. Frausto was arrested 170 miles away from Raeford in rural Gates County.

Authorities found Frausto working at a construction site, Peterkin said. Frausto gave a false name, but officers searched Frausto's wallet and found papers in his name.

Before Pevia came home to Raeford this week, her family had not seen her since she walked to the school bus just after 6 a.m. on June 4, 1999. They thought she had been kidnapped and possibly killed.

Pevia had been involved with Frausto, and shortly before she disappeared she told him she had been getting sick every morning, Peterkin said Thursday. Frausto, suspecting Dana was pregnant, arranged for them to travel to his family home in Mexico, he said.

When she disappeared, Dana was just short of her 12th birthday and was attending sixth grade.

Earlier this month, she showed up at the U.S. Consulate General's office in Guadalajara. Consulate officials contacted the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which contacted the Hoke County sheriff's office.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/South/03/29/girl.found.ap/index.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on June 30, 2009, 09:26:01 PM
The mindset of the Mexican male.. and modern day slaves..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUpqHWsHJ3k&feature=related

And the mayor of San Francisco gives sanctuary to illegal aliens, which include these males who will attack your child. So think about that when you see his name on the ballot running for Governor of California.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on July 01, 2009, 01:54:23 AM
Alicia Elena Perez Duarte, former federal Special Prosecutor for Crimes Against Women, and former legal counsel for the National Women's Institute (InMujeres):

At least one Million Children in Latin America are trapped in child prostitution and pornography networks. The victims are offered to [wealthy] businessmen and politicians.
 

In Mexico, there is concrete evidence that 30 million women have suffered from violence. Some 10 million of those have experienced sexual abuse. Of those abuse victims, 70% were victimized within the family environment. Only 5% of such victims have reported these crimes.

The former Special Prosecutor for Violent Crimes Against Women resigned from her post in December, 2007, after the Supreme Court of Justice of the Nation (SCJN) ruled that in the case of women's rights activist and journalist Lydia Cacho did not involve any serious violations of her personal liberties and human rights.

Cacho was arrested threatened with death by [corrupt] police from Puebla state, as retaliation for having published a book that exposed child sex trafficking networks in Cancun. In her book, Cacho unmasked millionaire business tycoon Jean Succar Kuri, who was protected by [fellow Lebanese immigrant and millionaire] Kamel Nacif, who's child sex trafficking network included politicians in the state of Puebla [as allies].

According to statistics gathered by non-governmental organization, each year an average of 20,000 are reported as have been kidnapped in Mexico. The majority of these victims are destined to be sold into forced prostitution. Others are forced into labor exploitation and yet other victims are sold in the illegal adoption market.

According to the United Nations Children's Educational Fund (UNICEF) and the The Center for the Search for Disappeared Children, in Mexico, there are between 100,000 and 130,000 children who's parents don't know where they are.

Perez Duarte confirmed that the majority of these children have become victims of national and international sex trafficking networks who use these children for prostitution and pornography.

Many of these victims are Central American girls who were kidnapped at Mexico's southern border as they attempted to migrate through Mexico to reach the United States.

Perez Duarte went on to explain that two major child sex markets exist in Mexico. The first consists of traffickers who sell children for sex to high government officials and businessmen in hotels, which is known as 'executive services. The second involves providing children as prostitutes in parties attended by politicians, legislators, government officials and even local judges. In these parties underage girls are offered "to relax the tensions of these men."

Perez Duarte stated that to avoid retaliation, she could not reveal the names of her witnesses in regard to these events. These women had provided information to her office during her 2006 to 2007 tenure as Special Prosecutor.

Perez Duarte cited as a example a party in January, 2008, where the top prosecutor for the state of Jalisco, Tomas Coronado was present, and underage prostitution was being carried out.

Perez Duarte stated that the child sex trafficking networks in Mexico have international ties: "if a client in Thailand wants an underage girl from Chiapas, traffickers in Mexico send the client what they asked for.

Perez Duarte went on the discuss the fact that there are catalogs of child victims that are used by trafficking networks [as a sales tool]. In one infamous case, a high official of the prosecutor's office in Ciudad Juarez (on the U.S. border) in the previous administration was found to have one of these catalogs in his desk.

Perez Duarte: "This official was not part of any investigation of trafficking, nor was he a client of the trafficking mafias. He himself was selling the sexual services of these children."

In another case, a 16-year-old girl disappeared from her home. Years later, after an investigation, authorities discovered that the girl was now a 'concubine' of a boss in 'The Zetas' - a team of hit men for drug trafficking networks in Mexico. Although the prosecutors office had collected detailed information, they did nothing [to save this girl].

Perez Duarte said that in many cases of violence against women and the prostitution of women and children, police officials and drug trafficking bosses are involved, with the complicity of high government officials.

Perez Duarte concluded by noting that, during the 22 months in which she headed the federal Attorney General's Special Office for Violence Against Women, her office received 96 criminal cases of disappeared children, of whom 36 were located. Twenty eight of those 36 minors had been victims of human trafficking networks.
 
 http://www.libertadlatina.org/Lat_Mexico_Prosecutor_Duarte-1_Million_Latina_Children_Sex_Trafficked_03-03-2008.htm

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on July 01, 2009, 02:01:27 AM
In Latin America concepts of masculinity are encapsulated in the word "machismo." At its most extreme, writes the London-based Panos Institute, an organization dedicated to stimulating debate on global environment and development issues, machismo maintains a man's superiority and dominance over women, granting him the right to do as he pleases within and outside the family home and the authority to restrict the freedom of his wife, sisters and daughters. Machos subscribe to the saying: "Women are like shotguns; they should be kept loaded [pregnant] and indoors."


Machismo...(macho-ism) is a collection of laws, norms, attitudes and characteristics of men whose finality, explicitly or implicitly, has been and is, is to produce, maintain and perpetuate the enslavement and submission of women on all levels: sexual, procreation, and in relation to work and love.


http://www.libertadlatina.org/Crisis_Latin_America_Machismo.htm


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on July 01, 2009, 02:11:51 AM
Thursday, May 7, 2009
“Sexism, corporate greed and drug trafficking make Juarez a deadly town for Mexico’s women. Hundreds are dead, but the killers remain free”
Women and young girls in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico are being stalked and systematically murdered. In 1993 young women started disappearing and turning up in fields or dumpsters, mutilated, sexually abused and murdered. Many of the victims were employees of the maquiladora industry and disappeared while traveling to or from work. Other victims were teenage students. Poor and working class girls in Ciudad Juarez are living in terror as murderers roam the streets. The smallest daily glitch such as missing a bus can be a death sentence for a girl in Ciudad Juarez.



Ciudad Juarez, (“Juarez”) is a border town in Chihuahua with an estimated population of 1.4 million. Approximately 300 maquiladoras (assembly plants) make up the industrial complex. Young females, in search of opportunity, have come to Juarez to work in the factories constructed following the passage of NAFTA. Eighty percent of the factories in Juarez are American-owned. Lear, Amway, TDK, Honeywell, General Electric and Kenwood are just some of the US based companies that have factories in Ciudad Juarez. Lear and Amway are Michigan based, with Amway’s headquarters here in my hometown in Grand Rapids, Michigan.



The women range in age from approximately 16 – 24, with some as young as 12 or 13. The younger girls lie about their ages to get the factory jobs. Many men in Juarez resent the fact that young women are getting the factory jobs. The rapid industrialization of Juarez abruptly changed the gender roles traditionally seen in Mexico. The violence that resulted may be partly due to the emergence of the maquiladora based economy and fierce competition between men and women for jobs.



The number of the dead is not clear, but the body count is anywhere from 400 to possibly as high as 800. The police “response” has been indifferent at best and criminal at worst. The police have routinely laughed and dismissed the parents when they report their daughters missing, claiming that the missing girls are probably leading double lives as prostitutes or strippers. Many of the families have been forced to investigate their children’s disappearances on their own, at their own expense. Eight former police officers have been arrested in connection with the murders, none of whom have been convicted. There has been speculation that police officers have committed some of these murders or have been bribed to keep quiet. In 1999, Abdel Sharif Sharif, an Egyptian national and convicted rapist (in the United States) was arrested for the murder of a seventeen year old girl. The police used this arrest to convince the public that they had solved the murders. Even after he was arrested, the murders continued at the same rapid rate.



There are many theories about who is killing all of these women. Some hypothesize that it is the work of a few serial killers, maybe even coming in from El Paso, Texas or drug traffickers and gang members that kill women for sport. Because the police do not take these cases seriously, men who commit violent acts against women don’t fear consequences. It is possible that the murders are being committed by a number of copycats or are random criminal acts. Criminals in Juarez have learned that killing a girl is not considered important by police.



The majority of the victims were less than eighteen years old. Almost half of the victims were subject to sexual violence beyond the basic act of rape. Many had bite marks, stab wounds, ligature and strangulation marks on their necks. Some had their breasts bitten or cut off. Autopsies determined that some of the missing young girls were alive for a few days before being murdered. Investigators believe the girls were held captive and repeatedly raped and tortured before being murdered. The girls may have been kept as sex slaves by wealthy businessmen from either El Paso or Juarez or by drug gangs.



In November of 2001, eight decomposing corpses of girls, 15-21 years of age, were found in a cotton field a few yards away from the headquarters of the office of the Association of Maquiladoras (the group that represents many of the US owned factories). Two men, both bus drivers, were taken into custody in connection with the eight murders. Both men Victor Garcia and Gustavo Gonzalez Meza claimed that the Juarez police tortured them both and forced them to confess to these killings. They both separately reported having water poured on their genitals and then given electric shocks. Gonzalez even claimed that the police threatened to cut open the womb of Gonzalez’s pregnant wife if he did not confess. Both men did confess to these crimes after allegedly being tortured. Gustavo Gonzalez was represented by a well known local attorney named Mario Escobedo, Jr. Escobedo was a vocal critic of the police and their interrogation tactics. On February 5, 2002, while talking on his cell phone, Escobedo’s SUV was pumped full of bullets and he was killed. It was determined that the state police killed Escobedo in what they claim was a case of mistaken identity. Almost one year later to the day (February, 8, 2003) Gonzalez died in police custody under suspicious circumstances.



The other accused bus driver, Victor Garcia was represented by another locally prominent attorney, Sergio Dante Almarez. Garcia was convicted of the cotton field murders, but this conviction was subsequently overturned by a court in July of 2005, due to lack of evidence. In January of 2006, Sergio Dante Almarez was also murdered in a similar fashion to Escobedo. Almarez was in his Suburban and he was attacked by gunmen in a Ford Expedition with New Mexico license plates.



Considering all of the possible theories and motives, there are a few reasons why this slaughter continues in Juarez. All of the victims have been either poor or working class and female. The killers are careful about victim selection. The fact that none of the girls have survived to tell their story adds to theory that these are professional killings. None of the victims have been American despite the fact that there is heavy cross border traffic by American teens. If these killings were all random, it would make sense that at least one victim would be American or a girl from a rich or prominent Juarez family. The killers stake out and prey on the poor and vulnerable because they have the least amount of resources or recourse.



There is a level of corporate responsibility on the part of the factories that employ the young women of Juarez. If they are a minute late to work the doors are locked. There are examples of women being turned away from the maquiladoras at midnight and subsequently disappearing. Claudia Ivette Gonzalez was four minutes late to her assembly plant job. The management at Lear sent her away and she started home on foot. Her corpse was one of the eight that were found in the cotton field in 2001.



Despite some progress in Juarez and attention on an international level, the killings are still taking place. In an article written in the El Paso Times as recently as July of this year, the strangled body of an unidentified teenage girl was found in a field. It is imperative for the police and the government of Mexico to properly investigate and prosecute these murders. American corporations have some responsibility in regard to these crimes. The American government needs to play a role as well as Americans frequently visit Juarez.


http://murderedwomeninjuarez.blogspot.com/2009/05/sexism-corporate-greed-and-drug.html

machismo !!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on July 01, 2009, 12:25:58 PM
I am not ranting with these posts.. I am trying to establish that the South American male mindset is alive .. It is real and blatant..

Look at this..Do not look at the girl as much as you look at the males behavior !!
It is blatant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QICLyzsvtgI


Now ... One of the patterns of behavior is "new acquaintance" ..
Did anyone in the family hire LABOR to do yard work or Any work around the house that Amber lived in with her mother ? Even a neighbor ?
Amber was new to living with her mother ?.. 
The male would try to make contact with Amber with words before he attempts an abduction on her..
This is not about race..But it is about a mindset called " machismo "

This is a real mindset that exists all throughout south of the boarder cultures from Mexico to Argentina and is even found in Spain and some other cultures..
Out most common problem comes from Mexico..
IF Amber had made contact with a teen or just above teen from Mexico then this is what I am considering.. This would have Amber in a live position and NOT in a position of forced servitude but instead as a wife. Being dominated by a male  " machismo " 


I do not want to post all my research on this subject as I have done years of study on this but I have posted enough for everyone to get the point.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on July 01, 2009, 01:26:21 PM
Edward~thank you for bringing the information to the forum, although it is very scary.  Like you said: IT IS REAL.  And with Amber so close to the boarder it makes sense to investigate that angle.  God bless AMBER!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on July 01, 2009, 01:27:09 PM
There are 2 different Mexicans..
1. American Mexican..."Born in America"
2. Mexican National.. "Born in Mexico and raised in Mexico"

One of our members wrote a question early on wanting to know if Amber had associated around any Mexican males where horses are taken care of.. Or maybe at the school farm or animal center.. I assume they are talking of Mexican Nationals. This is where "machismo" is practiced.. In America it is far less common.. It does exist somewhat in a mutated form..
It is Not the same as Mexico.. and NOT ALL of Mexico practices the mindset...
There are some very beautiful people families and cultural things that exist in Mexico that should exist here in the United States and do not..
What I am referring to is common in Mexico but not ALL of Mexico..
I have been to most all of Mexico and I think I know this for fact..
 

I know my daughter takes care of 22 horses every day at school, The school owns the horses she takes care of, she has done that for the last year.. She rides English and is an Equestrian. I am not.. Cars and Motorcycles go faster and planes fly higher ::MonkeyWink::
I noticed that the school hires Mexican Nationals as workers who also take care of some of the other horses that are at our school being boarded. I made sure that they have no contact with the school girls because of my awareness of the machismo mindset and I do not think the Giggly people that run the christian school are..
They all live in a day dream world where everything is wonderful..  ::MonkeyRoll::
Anyways.. That was not good enough for me and I have my wife help her everyday..
I live in a farming community with lots of Mexican nationals and some of them are absolutely wonderful and some of them I would not trust at all.. There are different mindsets in Mexico and I will not have my daughter at risk.. I already told her a long time ago she is not to talk with these men.. She told me I was prejudice..
I agreed. I do not intend to explain it to her in great detail. 
We are both on the same page, that is the most important part.
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on July 01, 2009, 01:42:25 PM
Thanks Lovinlife  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on July 01, 2009, 01:54:18 PM
Thanks Edward,

 I got your point.  Now I'm enlightened, sickened and outraged.   You are the expert here, but I don't know how you stand to deal with this so closely and over a long period of time.   

You also pointed out the possibility of an acquaintance involvement in Amber's disappearance.   This strikes me as a worthwhile approach.  When I speculated earlier on the family,  friends and associates incl. workmen, I think it caused the family more upset.   Since this is about the only option except running away that offers much hope of finding Amber alive and well, I really don't understand.   

Wish Amber's Grandmom could talk with us again.  Or Ampersand?  Monkeys are really good at research if asked.   

Chi-M




 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on July 01, 2009, 02:21:42 PM
I know it upsets them..  I am sorry .. Do not mean to upset family members..
Hard to ask easy questions 4 months later.. and a constant statement of prayer is nice but not research..
That is why I tried to explain Why we would ask such a question..
It is Not to point a finger at any family member.. It is to try to see if Amber came in contact with somebody outside of her family and that possibly this person had casual conversation with Amber. The family or a neighbor could have had workers or the animal areas or even the school.. there yards concrete and or simply lawn care..
I am looking for a person that could in fact carry this pattern of behavior and to see if the family can find him in there memory of days and weeks prior to Amber going missing..
The boy "or what people assume is a boy" has something to do with this if witness are correct in identifying Amber walking with him and the Red/Marron pickup does in fact make evasive maneuvers relative to the white car coming into the bus area..
2plus2 equals 4 every-time.. no matter how you add it up.

One thing that the family should take note of, that most of us have been doing this for years, research and searching for lost and missing and never taken a dime for our efforts.

Also I have only seen handing out fliers work one time in these years and it was a boy who left college in Texas during his final exam and his car was found in Berkley California , when fliers were passed out a Berkley student recognised him as a new student at Berkley, he also had a book in his car on how to disappear.. He was pissed that they found him..
His mom was happy.
Watch out for people that make money off lost and missing people, they tend to look out for what ever supports there exposure as people donate money to them..
We have supported many families " in search of " out of care and concern.
That IS Gods work.
mo.

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on July 02, 2009, 09:45:33 AM
You do excellent research Edward! Me, ummm not so much.  Sometimes prayers are all that I have to offer. 

I am very interested in your information about the caring of the animals and that angle.

Keep it coming & God Bless Amber!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on July 02, 2009, 01:45:23 PM
You do excellent research Edward! Me, ummm not so much.  Sometimes prayers are all that I have to offer. 

I am very interested in your information about the caring of the animals and that angle.

Keep it coming & God Bless Amber!

Do not cut yourself that short, if it was not for you I would not have noticed the fact that Jennifer Kesse was also hanging around that bar in Florida.. Because of your comment the police got quickly informed..  It has re-lighted the investigation into Jennifers disapperance..
Thank You for that..
There are great people working on those 2 cases and I hope they find something soon.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on July 02, 2009, 09:31:28 PM
Sex offender list in Escondido..
I do not know how accurate it is..

ANAYA,PHILIMON
1268 N BROADWAY # A ,Escondido,CA 92026

ARENA,JOSEPH
344 W 6TH AVE ,Escondido,CA 92025

AVERY,RICHARD LAWRENCE
1729 SUMMIT DR ,Escondido,CA 92027

BENITEZ,JUAN MILAN
1422 N ASH ST ,Escondido,CA 92027

BERRY,NED ANDREW
2035 S ESCONDIDO BLVD # 103 ,Escondido,CA 92025

BROWN,RONALD CORNWELL
3252 BEVEN DR ,Escondido,CA 92027

BROWN,STEVEN MARK
2040 MARK AVE ,Escondido,CA 92027

BURGESS,MICHAEL LITZSINGER
2733 CAMERON PL ,Escondido,CA 92027

BUSSE,JASON PAUL
1670 E EL NORTE # 15 ,Escondido,CA 92027

BUTLER,JOHN PATRICK
900 HOWARD AVE # 30 ,Escondido,CA 92029

CALLAN,MARK STEVEN
1320 TAFT ST ,Escondido,CA 92026

CANNON,JAMES REUBEN
1184 N ESCONDIDO BLVD # A ,Escondido,CA 92026

CARDIEL,JOSE LUIS
1213 REMBRANT GLEN ,Escondido,CA 92026

CARO,JOHN
1750 W CITRACADO PKWY # 104 ,Escondido,CA 92029

CHRISTMAN,ROBERT B
596 MONTVIEW DR ,Escondido,CA 92025

CHU,KEN
456 SWANSEA GL ,Escondido,CA 92027

CRISOSTOMO,MICHAEL A
1748 ACORN ST ,Escondido,CA 92027

CRUZ,RUBIN
322 VISTA AVE ,Escondido,CA 92026

CUSTER,CALVIN C
965 W LINCOLN AVE # 12A ,Escondido,CA 92026

DAILEY,CHARLES STANTON
2650 S ESCONDIDO BLVD # 210 ,Escondido,CA 92025

DAVIES,BRAD FRANKLIN
24840 LAKE WOHLFORD CT ,Escondido,CA 92027

DOLL,COLEMAN BERNARD
1051 W EL NORTE PKWY # 153 ,Escondido,CA 92026

ELKINS,BERNARD FISHER
9 LARRY LANE ,Escondido,CA 92025

ERICKSON,DOUGLASS SCOTT
3055 PECAN PL # 5 ,Escondido,CA 92027

FENDER,STEVEN A
849 MILLS ST ,Escondido,CA 92027

FERDMAN,ERIK MICAH
453 CORNWALL GLEN ,Escondido,CA 92027

FERNANDEZ,ANTIONIO
1454 E WASHINGTON ,Escondido,CA 92027

FORCIER,JAMES DAVID
2426 HARMONY GROVE RD ,Escondido,CA 92029

FRAZEE,WILLIAM CLARENCE
30012 HWY 395 SP-117 ,Escondido,CA 92026

GARCIA,RUDY
1822 LORETO GLEN ,Escondido,CA 92027

GARDNER,JOHN ALBERT
1050 ROCK SPRINGS RD # 113 ,Escondido,CA 92026

GASPER,DARRIN MICHAEL
550 W WASHINGTON AVE # B ,Escondido,CA 92025

GONZALEZ,GUSTAVO GONZALEZ
20702 ELFIN FOREST ROAD ,Escondido,CA 92029

GONZALEZ,WILLIAM MORENO
837 E LINCOLN AVENUE ,Escondido,CA 92026

GRANET,ANTHONY JOHNIII
2460 BEAR VALLEY PKWY # 130 ,Escondido,CA 92027

GRISSOM,DANNY LEON
1140 HARDING ST ,Escondido,CA 92027

HAYDEN,LOREN
1345 MORNING VIEW DR # 146 ,Escondido,CA 92026

HOBBS,TROY L
550 W WASHINGTON AVE # B ,Escondido,CA 92025

HOLM,FRANCIS ERIC
1555 HIGHGROVE DRIVE ,Escondido,CA 92027

HORTON,SIDNEY LYNN
119 W 5TH AVE # 3 ,Escondido,CA 92025

INMAN,STEVEN CARL
904 E 3RD AVE ,Escondido,CA 92025

JACQUEMART,JOHN PIPER
301 W VERMONT # 116 ,Escondido,CA 92025

JACQUES,LIONEL PHILLIP
1030 E WASHINGTON AVE # 115 ,Escondido,CA 92025

JEORGESON,RICHARD ALAN
1059 E VALLEY PKWY # C ,Escondido,CA 92025

JOHNSON,JAMES RICHARD
25464 LAKE WOHLFORD RD # LW300 ,Escondido,CA 92027

JONES,RICHARD WARREN
1934 KENORA DR ,Escondido,CA 92027

JUAREZ,RICARDO
525 W EL NORTE PKWY # 269 ,Escondido,CA 92026

KEYES,GRAHAM L
613 W 10TH AVE ,Escondido,CA 92025

KITTLE,ARNOLD EARL
530 N MIDWAY DR # 26 ,Escondido,CA 92027

LEECH,TIMOTHY WILBUR
27038 N. BROADWAY ,Escondido,CA 92026

LEGG,MICHAEL ALAN
1335 BROADWAY PL ,Escondido,CA 92025

LONG,ROY HENDRIX
360 S HICKORY # 5 ,Escondido,CA 92025

LOPEZ,JOSE AMBROSIO
211 N CITRUS # 26 ,Escondido,CA 92027

LOPEZ,MANUEL A
1228 HOOVER ST ,Escondido,CA 92027

MAHONEY,MICHAEL MELVIN
2094 E. GRAND AVE # 40 ,Escondido,CA 92027

MATCHETT,MATTHEW WILLIAM
1468 LA HONDA ,Escondido,CA 92027

MCGHEE,DANIEL RIDGE
145 W FELICITA AVE #3 ,Escondido,CA 92025

MELANSON,BOBBY RAY
636 FOY LANE ,Escondido,CA 92025

MIDDLETON,ROBERT JAMES
1070 E WASHINGTON AVE # 29 ,Escondido,CA 92025

MILLER,JADIR ALEXNADER
722 PARK PL ,Escondido,CA 92025

MINER,CLEMENT EUGENE
1643 E GRAND AVE # D ,Escondido,CA 92027

MOELLMAN,DANIEL MICHAEL
1375 N BROADWAY # A5 ,Escondido,CA 92026

MONTOYA,VALENTINE
1260 N ROSE ST ,Escondido,CA 92027

MORRIS,JOHN K
1001 S HALE # 102 ,Escondido,CA 92029

MUNOZ,GILLBERTO HERNANDEZ
1596 S ESCONDIDO BLVD # 8 ,Escondido,CA 92025

NEEDHAM,MATTHEW WALLACE
2550 E VALLEY PKWY # 45 ,Escondido,CA 92027

OLIVAS,TRACEY
965 W LINCOLN AVE # 22 ,Escondido,CA 92026

ORTEGA,JOHN
1070 E WASHINGTON # 1 ,Escondido,CA 92025

PAGE,KARL ROMANUS
1281 AVOCADO AVE ,Escondido,CA 92026

PALMORE,JAMES
357 LANSING CIRCLE # D ,Escondido,CA 92025

PARKER,RODNEY A
834 GOLDENROD ,Escondido,CA 92027

PATTERSON,GLEN ALAN
1600 W 9TH AVE # 6B ,Escondido,CA 92029

POTTER,SCOTT WAYNE
123 FARLAND PL ,Escondido,CA 92027

PRINCE,ROLAND MARK
326 E FELICITA AVE # 12 ,Escondido,CA 92025

QUINN,RICHARD TAYLOR
704 S MAPLE ST ,Escondido,CA 92025

RAMIREZ,DAVID PAUL
23649 OLD WAGON RD ,Escondido,CA 92027

RANGEL,FERNANDO
713 N CITRUS AVE ,Escondido,CA 92027

ROACH,JOHN JOSEPH
755 CHESTNUT ST ,Escondido,CA 92025

RODIRIGUEZ,RUBEN
1343 MORNING VIEW DR # 308 ,Escondido,CA 92026

RODRIGUEZ,JOHN GALINDO
421 E MISSION # 408 ,Escondido,CA 92025

SHOVER,ROBERT PAUL
550 W WASHINGTON AVE # B ,Escondido,CA 92025

SNOW,DAVID K
730 MONTVIEW DR ,Escondido,CA 92025

SOMERA,JAMIE TODD
935 E WASHINGTON AVE 3 ,Escondido,CA 92025

STANLEY,WILLIAM
8310 NELSON WAY MAINT #2 ,Escondido,CA 92026

STAPLES,RHONDA SUE
530 N MIDWAY DR # 27 ,Escondido,CA 92027

STEINER,HARLAN RUSSELL
506 SMOKETREE GLEN ,Escondido,CA 92026

STUBER,JOSEPH ANDREW
2149 MOUNTAIN VIEW DR ,Escondido,CA 92027

SUSSMANN,ANDREW ROBERT
432 TERRACE AVE ,Escondido,CA 92026

THOMPSON,DAVID LEE
201 SAN PASQUAL VALLEY RD # 201 ,Escondido,CA 92025

TODD,WILLIAM
1600 W 9TH AVE # A11 ,Escondido,CA 92029

TRACY,MERRILL OLIVER
30012 OLD HWY 395 # 82 ,Escondido,CA 92026

VAQUERA,GILBERT EDWARD
1892 LORETO GLEN ,Escondido,CA 92027

VILLALOBOS,EDGAR ULISES
965 W LINCOLN AVE # 30-E ,Escondido,CA 92026

XAYACHAK,KHAMPHONETHY
427 W 4TH AVE # K ,Escondido,CA 92025

YOUNGHUSBAND,RICHARD IRVING
421 E MISSION AVE # 305B ,Escondido,CA 92025

http://www.zirana.com/escondido/registered_sex_offenders_map.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on July 03, 2009, 12:10:28 PM
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: That's a long list.... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on July 03, 2009, 12:45:30 PM
I have a question RE: the sex offender database.

In my county that I live in they are mapped similar to this thru the sheriff's department.  When you click on the push pin their mug shot with their arrest record on it, age, etc.  Does Escondito have something like this?

I am currious if any of these match the discription of the young man seen walking with Amber.  I hope of course that LE has already done so.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on July 03, 2009, 12:48:25 PM
I forgot to ask, what about homeless SO's?  On my county they come back listed as unmappable, but you can still get all of the other information (mugshot, etc) on them.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on July 03, 2009, 02:45:42 PM
An FBI crime report shows an increased number of forcible rapes in San Diego, Escondido, and Oceanside during 2008. The report shows a 27 percent increase in San Diego. Oceanside had a 20 percent jump in rapes, while Escondido had an 11 percent spike.

San Diego FBI agent Darrell Foxworth said the report is key to figuring out why the increase in sexual assaults is taking place.

"That's one of the reasons we issue this report. We are looking to educate law enforcement agencies and the public, so everyone can have an increased awareness," Foxworth said.

Officials at the Center for Community Solutions rape crisis center say they weren't surprised by the latest statistics.

"The increase is a reflection of outreach efforts to get more people to come forward. There has been so much community education on the process of reporting a sexual assault, " explains victims advocate Michelle Smith.

Chula Vista saw a 3 percent decrease in forcible rapes in 2008. The FBI's uniform crime report is released every year.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on July 03, 2009, 03:24:53 PM
Crime MAPS Incident Report  Escondido around the date of Amber's disappearance.

Note #22 and #40 are in Amber's neighborhood.  Also lots of drug dealing around the H.S.   
 
Sorted By: Date ascending, Time ascending
#   Incident   100 Block Address   Day   Date   Time
1   Residential Burglary   1400 E EL NORTE PY Monday   02/09/2009   7:00 PM

2   Vehicle Break-in   1500 SHERIDAN AV Monday   02/09/2009   8:00 PM

3   Vehicle Theft   1200 VISTA AV Monday   02/09/2009   8:30 PM

4   Malicious Mischief/Vandalism   1300 TAFT AV Tuesday   02/10/2009   8:00 PM

5   Malicious Mischief/Vandalism   900 W EL NORTE PY Wednesday   02/11/2009        2:10 AM

6   Drunk in Public   1800 S IRIS LN Wednesday   02/11/2009   12:53 AM

7   Narcotics   300 WHIPPOORWILL GLEN  Wednesday   02/11/2009   5:34 PM

8   Narcotics   300 WHIPPOORWILL GLEN Wednesday   02/11/2009   5:34 PM

9   Residential Burglary   1100 LEHNER AV Thursday   02/12/2009   09:45 AM

10   Robbery   N BROADWAY / ESPANAS GLEN Thursday   02/12/2009   2:35 PM

11   Theft   300 W EL NORTE PY Thursday   02/12/2009   3:50 PM

12   Theft   400 W EL NORTE PY Friday   02/13/2009   01:51 AM

13   Malicious Mischief/Vandalism   1200 N GAMBLE ST Friday 02/13/2009 09:35 AM

14   Simple Assault (non-DV)   500 SMOKETREE GLEN Friday   02/13/2009   10:00 PM

15   Vehicle Break-in   1400 CONWAY DR Saturday   02/14/2009   6:00 PM

16   Vehicle Break-in   300 RANCHWOOD GLEN Saturday   02/14/2009   6:00 PM

17   Vehicle Break-in   1400 CONWAY DR Saturday   02/14/2009   7:30 PM

18   Vehicle Break-in   1200 ROOSEVELT ST Sunday   02/15/2009   11:30 AM

19   Narcotics   1000 W EL NORTE PY Sunday   02/15/2009   12:45 PM

20   Narcotics   1500 N BROADWAY Tuesday   02/17/2009   12:15 PM

21   Narcotics   1500 N BROADWAY Tuesday   02/17/2009   12:15 PM

22   Residential Burglary   1700 PARADISE ST Tuesday   02/17/2009   12:40 PM

23   Malicious Mischief/Vandalism   100 E EL NORTE PY Tuesday   02/17/2009   2:57 PM

24   Vehicle Break-in   300 W EL NORTE PY Tuesday   02/17/2009   6:00 PM

25   Vehicle Theft   400 SKYRIDGE LN Tuesday   02/17/2009   7:00 PM

26   Vehicle Theft   400 SKYRIDGE LN Tuesday   02/17/2009   9:00 PM

27   Vehicle Break-in   1800 N BROADWAY Wednesday   02/18/2009   07:30 AM

28   Curfew Violation   1900 N IRIS LN Wednesday   02/18/2009   11:15 PM

29   Curfew Violation   1900 N IRIS LN Wednesday   02/18/2009   11:15 PM

30   Theft   1500 N BROADWAY Thursday   02/19/2009   09:20 AM

31   Theft   300 W EL NORTE PY Thursday   02/19/2009   4:00 PM

32   Simple Assault (non-DV)   1500 N BROADWAY Friday   02/20/2009   11:35 AM

33   Simple Assault (non-DV)   1800 N BROADWAY Friday   02/20/2009   2:50 PM

34   Drunk in Public   W EL NORTE PY / S IRIS LN Friday   02/20/2009   5:20 PM

35   Narcotics   300 W EL NORTE PY Saturday   02/21/2009   12:01 AM

36   Theft   300 W EL NORTE PY Sunday   02/22/2009   08:30 AM

37   Drunk in Public   200 W EL NORTE PY Sunday   02/22/2009   7:21 PM

38   Vehicle Break-in   300 W EL NORTE PY Sunday   02/22/2009   10:00 PM

39   Theft   1700 SEVEN OAKES RD Monday   02/23/2009   07:00 AM

40   Residential Burglary   400 VISTA AV Monday   02/23/2009   11:00 AM

41   Simple Assault (non-DV)   700 STANLEY AV Monday   02/23/2009   5:40 PM

42   Commercial Burglary   500 COUNTRY CLUB LN Monday   02/23/2009   7:00 PM

43   Drunk in Public   300 E EL NORTE PY Monday   02/23/2009   8:51 PM

44   Simple Assault (non-DV)   1500 N BROADWAY Tuesday   02/24/2009   2:15 PM

45   Drunk in Public   1400 N BROADWAY Tuesday   02/24/2009   8:55 PM

46   Drunk in Public   1400 N BROADWAY Tuesday   02/24/2009   8:55 PM

47   Vehicle Break-in   1100 HONEYSUCKLE WY Wednesday   02/25/2009   4:00 PM

48   Theft   1500 N BROADWAY Thursday   02/26/2009   11:20 AM

49   Malicious Mischief/Vandalism   N ELM ST / SHERIDAN AV Thursday   02/26/2009   4:00 PM

50   Vehicle Break-in   1200 ARISTOTLE GLEN Thursday   02/26/2009   5:00 PM

51   Narcotics   1800 N BROADWAY Friday   02/27/2009   07:40 AM

52   Theft   300 W EL NORTE PY Friday   02/27/2009   5:05 PM

53   Sex Crimes (Other)   600 CATHY CT Friday   02/27/2009   10:00 PM

54   Drunk in Public   1000 W EL NORTE PY Friday   02/27/2009   11:45 PM

55   Drunk in Public   N CENTRE CITY PY / E EL NORTE PY Saturday   02/28/2009   12:26 AM

56   Theft   300 W EL NORTE PY Saturday   02/28/2009   12:00 PM

57   Vehicle Theft   COUNTRY CLUB LN / N IRIS LN Saturday   02/28/2009   7:00 PM

58   Drunk in Public   CONWAY DR / VISTA AV Saturday   02/28/2009   10:49 PM

59   Sex Crimes (Other)   1300 GRAHAM PL Sunday   03/01/2009   12:01 AM

60   Robbery   600 COUNTRY CLUB LN Sunday   03/01/2009   5:30 PM

61   Vehicle Break-in   600 SIGGSON CT Sunday   03/01/2009   8:30 PM

62   Truancy   300 VISTA AV Monday   03/02/2009   12:35 PM

63   Truancy   300 VISTA AV Monday   03/02/2009   1:00 PM

64   Narcotics   1500 N BROADWAY Tuesday   03/03/2009   11:30 AM

65   Narcotics   1500 N BROADWAY  Tuesday   03/03/2009   11:30 AM

66   Simple Assault (non-DV)   100 W EL NORTE PY Tuesday   03/03/2009   2:56 PM

67   Truancy   BEAUMONT GLEN / FOREST GLEN Wednesday   03/04/2009   09:35 AM

68   Truancy   BEAUMONT GLEN / FOREST GLEN Wednesday   03/04/2009   09:35 AM

69   Theft   1500 E EL NORTE PY Wednesday   03/04/2009   10:30 AM

70   Truancy   1200 N IVY ST Wednesday   03/04/2009   11:35 AM

71   Theft   1500 N BROADWAY Wednesday   03/04/2009   2:09 PM

72   Curfew Violation   1300 E EL NORTE PY Wednesday   03/04/2009   11:51 PM

73   Vehicle Theft   1000 W EL NORTE PY Thursday   03/05/2009   9:15 PM

74   Theft   2000 MONTEGO AV Saturday   03/07/2009   01:00 AM

75   Vehicle Break-in   300 W EL NORTE PY Saturday   03/07/2009   10:00 AM

76   Residential Burglary   2000 MONTEGO AV Saturday   03/07/2009   1:00 PM

77   Drunk in Public   300 W EL NORTE PY Saturday   03/07/2009   2:30 PM

78   Malicious Mischief/Vandalism   1500 N BROADWAY Sunday   03/08/2009   10:00 PM

79   Arson   2000 CONWAY DR Tuesday   03/10/2009   3:19 PM

80   Vehicle Break-in   1600 SEVEN OAKES RD Tuesday   03/10/2009   4:30 PM

81   Theft   1300 GAMBLE ST Tuesday   03/10/2009   8:00 PM

82   Vehicle Break-in   1800 N BROADWAY  Tuesday   03/10/2009   9:00 PM

83   Vehicle Break-in   1400 ESPERANZA WY Wednesday   03/11/2009   4:00 PM

84   Vehicle Break-in   1400 ESPERANZA WY Wednesday   03/11/2009   6:00 PM

85   Theft   300 W EL NORTE PY Thursday   03/12/2009   3:00 PM

86   Malicious Mischief/Vandalism   500 ROBIN HILL LN Friday   03/13/2009   11:31 AM

87   Drunk in Public   N CENTRE CITY PY / E EL NORTE PY Friday   03/13/2009   4:20 PM

88   Theft   400 SKYRIDGE LN Friday   03/13/2009   7:00 PM

89   Vehicle Break-in   100 W EL NORTE PY Friday   03/13/2009   8:00 PM

90   Robbery   N CENTRE CITY PY / COUNTRY CLUB LN Friday   03/13/2009   10:44 PM



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: ChiChi on July 05, 2009, 02:35:00 AM
Okay I'm caught up, unfortunately there wasn't as much to read as I had anticipated. 
I am somewhat frustrated. 

Are we stll getting feedback from Amber's family? or someone close to them?  

 I am wondering about that human traffiking article Edward posted, and have wondered about this myself much.  I don't think I had heard that Amber recently started chatting with some boys or whoever online though.  All IP addresses can be retrieved from your hard drive that your computer communicates with.  Have the EPD seized their computer? What are they doing in an effort to search? 

Why hasn't someone figured out (FBI computer experts or something) what type of truck, year, etc.  done a search for all those spec's to see who bought this type.  Looks like a lot of custom stuff on it to me... and maybe all these things have been done, tried, etc., but would help us I think if we knew...

I too have asked about local business cameras but never heard anything. 

 I am so tired of these sicko's taking our children it must stop.  I cannot even imagine how her parents feel, heart wrenching.  I will let myself for a moment, just a second really, think about what if it were one of my three daughters.  Worrying, wanting to rescue them, but not knowing where in the hell to look or what to do.  Wondering is she thinking MOM FIND ME>>>> and feeling so helpless.  And then I have to stop and realize it is not my child, thankfully, but it could be.  It could be any of us.  We need to do whatever we can to tighten the restrictions on released sex offenders and make tougher sentencing laws on crimes involving children.  In my opinion, child sex predators should never be released from prison, it seems they always re-offend with a more heinous crime. IMO

I pray Amber is rescued TODAY, please God allow her to return to her family.

ChiChi  Good to see you again. 

Your three main questions answered as best I can:  ( I do my best, but this is JMO.)

Family feedback:  not much recently.

Computer:  EPD has searched the computers and  services.  They've not announced any helpful findings.

Additional Security Cameras:   No information at all released that I know about.

Burgundy  truck:  The film has been studied, but the quality cannot be enhanced enough to get a License or make and year.

I know it is discouraging, but maybe tomorrow there will be something new. 

Chi-M

Bring Amber home!

Thanks Chi Monkey, it is discouraging.  I wish there was more info, more to spin ideas off of.  Edward is right, something MUST be done, it is ridiculous, unacceptable and should not be tolerated any longer.  Law reform and preventative measures are needed, where does one start.. Happy 4th everyone


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: ChiChi on July 05, 2009, 02:51:21 AM
On the subject of computer usage..MuffyBee made a great point on another thread..

Sometimes kids go to other people's houses and use their computers to create and access myspace and other websites even if you have parental controls and forbid this at your own house.  Or they can go to the public library and use computers there.   Back to the old "where there's a will, there's a way" saying.  Parents may not even know their kids have a myspace.


A question from a news report reader..  Why did Pam quit taking Amber to school ?


Good point, local libaries and even community college libraries have access to the internet.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on July 08, 2009, 10:05:49 AM
SAN DIEGO -- A registered sex offender was arrested Tuesday on suspicion of exposing himself to a teenage girl in City Heights last month and kidnapping a 9-year-old girl in Valencia Park a week later, authorities reported.

DNA evidence allegedly ties Ieremia Tuiolemotu, 37, to the June 15 abduction, according to San Diego police.

The victim was walking to school about 8:45 that morning when the kidnapper pulled up alongside her in a van in the 100 block of Latimer Street.
 
 The man got out, grabbed the youngster and ordered her to get into the vehicle. She complied, but was able to break free and flee moments later. The girl suffered no serious injuries.

Investigators believe Tuiolemotu also is responsible for a June 9 indecent exposure case in the 4600 block of Wightman Street in City Heights, SDPD spokeswoman Monica Munoz said.

The flasher, who was inside a white van when he committed the crime, did not make physical contact with the 17-year-old victim.

Tuiolemotu's previous offenses include indecent exposure and annoying or molesting a minor, Munoz said.

The spokeswoman declined to disclose how police obtained the DNA sample that allegedly links Tuiolemotu to the abduction.

http://www.10news.com/news/19982321/detail.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on July 08, 2009, 10:11:02 AM
An internet stalker has been arrested after trying to abduct a British schoolgirl while she was on a family vacation in the south of France. The 12-year-old, from Glasgow, was lured from her holiday home and taken to an airport by a Belgian man she had met online.

The terrified girl was found sobbing by airport workers after being abandoned by the 41-year-old when he realized she did not have a passport.

Her abductor, who pretended to be her uncle, was arrested shortly after he boarded a flight to Madrid.

The pair are believed to have chatted on the net for around four months before he went to meet her in Saint-Cyr-sur-Mer and took her to Marseilles Provence airport to board a flight to Spain.

Reports in France said the girl met her abductor, who claimed to be 28, on a social networking website.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530653,00.html?test=latestnews

A professional lover-boy would have had her passport ready or alternate transportation arraigned.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on July 08, 2009, 01:19:01 PM
The Associated Press
11:11 a.m. July 1, 2009
LAS VEGAS — Federal prosecutors say two more defendants face drug conspiracy and other charges in a criminal case stemming from the abduction of a 6-year-old boy from his Las Vegas home last October.
A revised indictment unsealed Tuesday charges Erik Dushawn Webster and Jesus Gastelum with conspiracy to distribute a controlled substance and other crimes.
Webster and Gastelum join two other defendants in the case involving the kidnapping of Cole Puffinburger. Prosecutors believe the boy was taken by drug traffickers trying to locate his grandfather. The boy was found unharmed days later.
Court records show Webster made an initial appearance in the case June 15. He is free without bail pending a July 10 court appearance.
The U.S. attorney's office in Nevada says Gastelum remains a fugitive.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jul/01/nv-nevada-boy-abducted-070109/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on July 08, 2009, 01:22:36 PM
By Associated Press
3:35 AM PDT, July 2, 2009

SANTA BARBARA, Calif. (AP) — A jury on Thursday was set to consider the case of Jesse James Hollywood, who is accused of kidnapping a 15-year-old boy over a drug debt then ordering his death and going on the run for years, a string of events that inspired the 2007 movie "Alpha Dog."

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/entertainment/sns-ap-us-jesse-james-hollywood,0,1430856.story


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on July 08, 2009, 01:36:40 PM
In August 2008, Reuters reported on an American businesswoman identified only as "Veronica," who had been kidnapped a few months earlier. As she was exiting her car in California, two men forced her into the passenger seat at gunpoint, then shoved her teenage daughter into the back seat and took the pair to Mexico.

The kidnappers drove through the border checkpoint in San Diego, bringing the mother and daughter to Tijuana. The two were held captive for a month until their family paid the ransom of $100,000.

Veronica said of her experience: "We got an automatic green light to go through Mexican customs and then we were blindfolded and taken to a house in Tijuana. They held a pistol to my stomach all the time we were in the car."

Mexican intelligence officials claim that Veronica is only one of about 30 Americans abducted in southern California and taken to Tijuana since last November.

Mexican officials have been aware of the growing number U.S. abductions for some time. Baja California State Attorney General Rommel Moreno recently told Reuters news agency: "Transnational kidnappings are a new way of operating for these criminal groups, mainly in California, and so we are seeking collaboration with the United States."

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/87817


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on July 08, 2009, 01:38:05 PM
In August 2008, the FBI´s San Diego field office admitted that they were currently investigating the kidnapping of 16 U.S. residents who were held in Tijuana between October 2007 and May 2008, including many of whom were abducted in San Diego.

According to the Phoenix Police Department, as of mid November, there had been 266 kidnappings and 300 home invasions during 2008. However, police estimate the actual numbers to be closer to three times as high as the reported figures. Many victims fail to report such crimes, out of fear from further retribution from the notoriously violent cartels.

Phoenix Police Lt. Lori Burgett told CBS News: "It wasn´t uncommon to have a new kidnapping case coming into our offices on a daily basis."


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on July 08, 2009, 02:01:15 PM
Bride kidnapping, also known as marriage by abduction or marriage by capture, is a practice throughout history and around the world in which a man abducts the woman he wishes to marry. Bride kidnapping still occurs in countries spanning Central Asia, the Caucasus region, and parts of Africa, and among peoples as diverse as the Hmong in southeast Asia, the Tzeltal in Mexico, and the Romani in Europe. In most countries, bride kidnapping is considered a sex crime, rather than a valid form of marriage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bride_kidnapping



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on July 09, 2009, 05:56:36 PM
Brenda Nayli Martinez
Missing: May 30, 2009
From: Los Angeles, California
Age: 4
DOB: October 20, 2004

Sex: Female
Race: Hispanice
Height: 3 foot
Weight: 35 pounds
Hair: Brownbr>Eyes: Brown


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on July 09, 2009, 06:24:37 PM
A man who allegedly used a hatchet to attack a 21-year-old woman and critically injure her boyfriend today in Escondido was arrested, police said.

Gamalier Rivera, 33, is accused of attacking the two around 1:15 a.m. at a house in the 800 block of South Upas Street, according to Escondido police.

Both victims were taken to Palomar Medical Center, where the man was in critical condition with wounds to his neck and torso, police said.

The woman was treated and released for injuries to her legs.     

Cassandra Bollas, who told The San Diego Union-Tribune she is the woman's sister, said her sister rented a room at the house where the attack took place and that she and her boyfriend worked as nurses.

"She is in complete shock," Bollas said, adding that her sister described the attack as something out of horror movie, with blood all over the room.

Rivera, who was found covered in blood near the crime scene, works for the U.S. Border Patrol, but police did not say in what capacity.

He was also taken to Palomar Medical Center, but the cause and extent of his injuries were not immediately revealed.

Other people were in the home at the time of the attack, but no one else was injured.

According to a News 8 report, Rivera is the female victim's estranged husband.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on July 09, 2009, 08:51:23 PM
Non-Family Abductions in California
January 29, 2009 by MCA

When the public hears of a missing child case, it is generally involving one of the estimated 115 child victims of the most serious, long-term non-family abduction called “stereotypical kidnappings”.

The best national estimates for the number of missing children are from incidence studies conducted by the U.S. Department of Justice’s Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention. To date two such studies have been completed.

In this San Francisco Chronicle article about Ilene Misheloff , who went missing on 1/30/1989, the author has this statement which would indicate almost half of all stranger abductions happen on California. There are currently 22 victims of  Non-Family Abductions  listed at the NCMEC from California.

As a result, two decades later, parents are far more reluctant to let young children walk alone to school or play out front with no supervision. Still, more than 50 California children are typically abducted each year by strangers, according to the state Department of Justice.

Ilene Misheloff was last seen walking home from school alone. She is among the 723 children over 21-years-old, listed at the NCMEC who went missing as children but whose disappearances remain unsolved.

Parents still hoping, 20 years after abduction

The pain is never far away. But neither is the hope.

When Maddi Misheloff speaks of her daughter, Ilene, the girl with the frizzy black hair and shy smile is always in the present tense. About to walk through the door.

The fact that Ilene vanished exactly 20 years ago this Friday at the age of 13 while walking home from school matters less to Maddi Misheloff than her belief that Ilene is still out there somewhere. Kidnapped, but alive. Waiting for a chance to return.

Here is a map of missing children..
Pick california and wait for it to load.. OMG
Alot of missing kids over time..
http://www.missingkidsmap.com/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on July 09, 2009, 09:33:38 PM
I've looked at that map before.  California shut down my computer.  It is very sad.  Thanks for sharing and God Bless Amber!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on July 09, 2009, 09:42:25 PM
checking on to see if there is anything new. As always, prayers for Amber and her family


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on July 10, 2009, 01:12:48 PM
Just the day before Amber disappeared on her way to school,
she was at the store buying the latest in the series of books she was reading.
These brand new books remain at home, unread and waiting for Amber.
 
Monday, July 13th will mark six long months that she has been missing.
 
Please Join Us for a
Candlelight Vigil to
Light Amber's Way Home
Monday, July 13th at 8pm
in front of the
BARNES & NOBLE
810 West Valley Parkway
Escondido, CA


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on July 10, 2009, 04:55:45 PM
Just the day before Amber disappeared on her way to school,
she was at the store buying the latest in the series of books she was reading.
These brand new books remain at home, unread and waiting for Amber.
 
Monday, July 13th will mark six long months that she has been missing.
 
Please Join Us for a
Candlelight Vigil to
Light Amber's Way Home
Monday, July 13th at 8pm
in front of the
BARNES & NOBLE
810 West Valley Parkway
Escondido, CA


It should say five months - not six - if feels like a lot longer   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on July 11, 2009, 04:09:11 PM
Still hoping for the best.  God bless Amber. ::MonkeyAngel::


http://www.kidsearchnetwork.org/research-statistics.html

Missing Children Statistics
Research and Statistics involving Crimes Against Children and Teens

The Kidsearch Network believes that Immediate Response by an experienced search team is necessary. because, 1) there is typically over a two hour delay in making the initial missing child report (60%), and 2) the vast majority (74%) of the abducted children who are murdered are dead within three hours of the abduction. (Source: Attorney General of the State of Washington, who did a study of cases reported to law enforcement in 1997)

There are estimated to be about 100 cases per year in the US where a child is abducted and murdered. The victims of these cases are "average" children, leading normal lives, and living with normal families, typical low-risk victims. The vast majority of them are girls (76%), with the average age being slightly over 11 years of age. In 80% of cases, the initial contact between the victim and killer is within 1/4 mile of the victim's residence.

Over half (57%) of these child abduction murders are committed by a killer who is a stranger to the victim. Family involvement in this type of case is infrequent (9%). However, the relationship between the victim and the killer varies with the gender and age of the victim. The youngest females, 1-5 years old, tend to be killed by friends or acquaintances (64%), while the oldest females, 16-17 years old, tend to be killed by strangers (also 64%). The relationship between the killer and victim is different for the male victims. The youngest male victims (1-5 years old) are most likely to be killed by strangers (also 64%), as are the teenage males (13-15 years old, 60% and 16-17 years old, 58%).

... <snipped>

Commonly, the killers are at the initial victim-killer contact site for a legitimate reason (66%). They either lived in the area (29%) or were engaging in some normal activity. Most of the victims of child abduction murder are victims of opportunity (57%). Only in 14 percent of cases did the killer choose his victim because of some physical characteristic of the victim. The primary motivation for the child abduction murder is sexual assault.

After the victim has been killed, 52 percent of the bodies are concealed to prevent discovery. In only 9% of cases is the body openly placed to insure its discovery.

A unique pattern of distance relationships exists in child abduction murders. The initial contact site is within 1/4 mile of the victim's last known location in 80% of cases. Conversely, the distance between the initial contact site and the murder site increases to distances greater than 1/4 mile (54%). The distance from the murder site to the body recovery site again decreases, to less than 200 feet in 72 percent of cases.

It was discovered that once the murder investigation has begun, the name of the killer is known to the police within the first week in 74% of cases.

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Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on July 11, 2009, 04:11:09 PM
Just the day before Amber disappeared on her way to school,
she was at the store buying the latest in the series of books she was reading.
These brand new books remain at home, unread and waiting for Amber.
 
Monday, July 13th will mark six long months that she has been missing.
 
Please Join Us for a
Candlelight Vigil to
Light Amber's Way Home
Monday, July 13th at 8pm
in front of the
BARNES & NOBLE
810 West Valley Parkway
Escondido, CA


It should say five months - not six - if feels like a lot longer   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Ampersand, I think we would all be there if we could.  Thanks for the notice.

Chi-M


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on July 13, 2009, 10:42:27 PM


http://www.northcountytimes.com/articles/2009/07/07/news/columnists/jeff_frank/za0b5d4dbc778591d882575ec0083ceb0.txt

Auction of lamb attracts bids from the heart
By JEFF FRANK - jfrank@nctimes.com | Tuesday, July 7, 2009 11:11 PM PDT ∞

Nicki Horton, from Escondido High School, shows her lamb, Nenette, during the San Diego County Fair. The auction of Nenette raised thousands of dollars for the effort to find missing teenager Amber Dubois. The bidding kept going and going.

Nicki Horton stood in the ring in disbelief. The price for the lamb she had devotedly raised over the past six months continued to climb.

Two dollars a pound ... $3 a pound ... $5 a pound ---- typically the top of the market for lambs at the San Diego County Fair's Junior Livestock Auction. Nine dollars a pound ... $10 a pound, beyond even the $11 a pound commanded by the grand champion, and still no end in sight.

Tears began to run down young Nicki's face as the bidding jumped into the teens, and she glanced into the crowd at two people for whom the lamb had special significance.

Maurice Dubois and Carrie McGonigle had tears in their eyes as well. For the lamb had been named by their daughter Amber Dubois, the 14-year-old Escondido High School student who disappeared Feb. 13 on her way to school.

In Amber's pocket that morning was a check to cover the deposit to obtain the lamb she planned to raise for the fair. She was going to call the lamb Nenette, which means "little animal" in French ---- Amber's heritage on her father's side.

After her disappearance, Amber's family told Marc Reyburn, the school's agricultural instructor and FFA adviser, they wanted to sponsor someone to carry on Amber's plan to raise her lamb.

Nicki didn't have the money to care for a lamb of her own, so she gladly volunteered to raise a lamb in Amber's name. She fed, watered, groomed and walked little Nenette daily at the farm on the high school grounds. Some donated supplies helped Nicki bring the lamb to a solid 135 pounds as she walked her into the ring at the fair on Saturday.

The fair auctioneer shared Amber's story with the crowd as Nicki showed off the tan and black Hampshire Cross lamb. Proceeds from the auction would go to the Amber Dubois Trust Fund, the auctioneer said, to help in the search for the missing teenager.

"As soon as people heard that, they kept bidding and bidding," said Nicki. "I was amazed."

A $12 bid was heard. Then $13. And still the total kept climbing. It wasn't until the bidding reached $16 a pound that Mary Matav, founder of Agri Service Inc. in Vista, was proclaimed the auction winner.

But it wasn't over. Members of the crowd began raising their paddles to add another dollar or two a pound to the bid. More add-ons followed. Soon fair officials couldn't keep up with the demand from spectators to contribute to the cause.

Nicki, 15, already had taken Nenette back to the barn, not knowing that contributions were still rolling in. Tears were falling as she and McGonigle said goodbye to the lamb.

"I told her to stop crying," McGonigle said. "She said, 'I can't. It's so sad.' We were both crying the whole time."

The regular auction continued while the fair's livestock office officials set up a table where people could add their donations to the price for the lamb. The fair tallied $7,365, a cool $54.55 a pound, while McGonigle said that $8,370 came in for the Amber fund.

"It's just awesome to see so much support for trying to find Amber," McGonigle said. "It was very emotional."

The funds raised will be used by the family to hire a private investigator and perhaps a public relations firm to keep up the search for Amber. But the story doesn't end there.

When Nicki returns to Escondido High School for her sophomore year in the fall, she'll have a sponsor for her next animal-raising effort.

"She wants to raise a steer, and we're going to sponsor her," McGonigle said.

Information on the Amber Dubois search and trust fund can be found at bringamberhome.com.

Contact staff columnist Jeff Frank at 760-740-5419 or jfrank@nctimes.com.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on July 13, 2009, 10:47:03 PM
Light Amber's way home:
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Amber

Amber's Website:
www.bringamberhome.com



BUMPING UP FOR THE VIGIL FOR THOSE WHO CANNOT BE THERE IN PERSON...

5 months missing, God Bless Amber!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on July 14, 2009, 01:28:57 PM
I am just going to say this one time As I understand you are looking for a Live Amber and I wish you all the best with that..

But from my research I think differently.. I am sorry. I am sticking with Patterns of behavior and I find very few live victims of abductions..

If your family really thinks Amber was forced into prostitution I suggest you contact Dr.Donna Hughes via the Internet or mail and educate yourself on that subject to see if there is a pattern of behavior used by these criminals that may lead you to Amber or somebody that knows of Amber..

Anyway from my research..

Search along the road highway 330 ..
Contact Cal Trans to see where they found the previous body of the kidnap victim from Redondo Beach that was drooped off in this area.

http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_nfoot17.2f08e17.html

Also search Guajome park and along the road of the rear entrance to that park..
Gopher canyon road

One is a pattern of behavior by a abduction..Redondo beach
The other is a pattern of behavior involving a park in Escondido.. 



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on July 14, 2009, 01:55:26 PM
Hiway 330... Leading up to Running Springs is the section to search.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: EverySunset on July 23, 2009, 03:57:06 PM
Does anyone know if that walmart molester was ever found? Geez, what a sicko.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on July 25, 2009, 10:43:41 PM
No LE has not arrested anyone that they have a picture of or real witness too...
To busy with other things then real detective work I suppose..
The more I see the more I get disgusted..
jmho


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: EverySunset on July 25, 2009, 11:00:32 PM
Thanks Edward, I tried doing a search and came across so many wal mart child molesters that I became confused. I am going to barf now.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on July 26, 2009, 01:41:37 AM
Voices for Justice Sunday Special - Lindsey Baum and Amber Dubois' Mothers among guests this weekend

The show will introduce four families to the listeners and will introduce their children to you and how you can be a helping hand in assisting the search teams on bringing home their loved ones.

Date / Time: 26/07/2009 7:30 PM

Category: Family

Call-in Number: (347) 838-8622

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/helpingheroes


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: MuffyBee on July 29, 2009, 10:05:49 AM
Please say a prayer and light a candle for Amber, that she will be found.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Amber


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on July 29, 2009, 02:59:07 PM
We have not forgotten you Amber!  Praying for Amber & family & friends!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on July 30, 2009, 07:40:41 PM
I hope they search that van found in Orcutt for DNA evidence relative to Amber.
They are presently looking at the van for evidence of little Lindsey missing from Washington state. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on July 31, 2009, 12:30:53 PM
I hope they search that van found in Orcutt for DNA evidence relative to Amber.
They are presently looking at the van for evidence of little Lindsey missing from Washington state. 

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

Man Tries To Lure Young Girl Into Van


Orcutt, CA-- Residents are being told to keep a lookout for a man driving a white van with possibly Washington State license plates.

Santa Barbara Sheriff deputies received a report Monday afternoon, that a man driving a white van near Hartnett and Cane tried to lure an 11-year-old girl into his van.

The girl said, the man pulled up to her and asked her to help him find a lost dog. The girl told sheriff officials that when she ran to a nearby home to call for help.

Detectives say the suspect is in his 50's and was driving a white cargo van with two rear windows covered by curtains.

If you have any information on a possible suspect, you are urged to call the Santa Barbara Sheriff's Department.

http://www.keyt.com/news/local/51341337.html


Link to map of Orcutt, CA to Escondido, CA (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Orcutt,+California&daddr=Escondido,+CA&hl=en&geocode=Faf_EwIdwkfS-A%3B&mra=pe&mrcr=0&sll=33.970698,-118.729248&sspn=3.980952,7.042236&ie=UTF8&ll=34.189086,-119.21814&spn=3.970707,7.042236&t=h&z=7)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: ChiChi on August 01, 2009, 05:20:32 AM
Hello all,

Just looking in to see if there was any new leads or anything on Amber... sadly, it does not appear so.

God watch over Amber be she in this world or in yours.  Please lead her family to her so whatever the outcome, there will be peace. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: doubledecker on August 01, 2009, 09:20:09 PM
just checking in to read up to see what all is going on with amber's case. 

edward, you said they are checking the van with washington places for evidence in Lindsey case?  gee, I missed that over in the lindsey threads.  but, good, glad they are.  they need to.  they better check that van for evidence in a lot of these cases. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on August 02, 2009, 06:20:49 PM
just checking in to read up to see what all is going on with amber's case. 

edward, you said they are checking the van with washington places for evidence in Lindsey case?  gee, I missed that over in the lindsey threads.  but, good, glad they are.  they need to.  they better check that van for evidence in a lot of these cases. 

DD~I'm not sure they have found the van, ICBW. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 03, 2009, 02:59:24 PM
just checking in to read up to see what all is going on with amber's case. 

edward, you said they are checking the van with washington places for evidence in Lindsey case?  gee, I missed that over in the lindsey threads.  but, good, glad they are.  they need to.  they better check that van for evidence in a lot of these cases. 

DD~I'm not sure they have found the van, ICBW. 

Here is the article..

Tuesday, July 21, 2009
Reported by: Stacy Daniel

An 11-year-old girl and her family are warning others to be on the lookout for a possible child predator.

Santa Barbara County sheriff's deputies say a man driving a white van approached the girl Monday at the intersection of Hartnell Road and Caine Drive in Orcutt. That's when the girl ran to safety.

11-year-old Courtnee Creath did all the right things, after she claims she was approached by a stranger who was trying to pull one of the oldest tricks in the book.

Not even this gated community in Orcutt with its manicured lawns and beautiful homes is immune to the threat of a possibly dangerous child predator.

On Monday, 11-year-old Courtnee claims she was walking home from a friend's house when she was approached by a strange man driving a white van.

"The guy was just sitting there and I was about to turn the corner and he yelled, 'Hey, you want to come help me look for my puppy?'" Courtnee recalled.

Sensing something wasn't right, Courtnee took off.

"She just darted back to the neighbor's house and called me," said Courtnee's mother, Melody Creath.

Melody says that's when she called police and then headed out into the neighborhood to warn others. It didn't take long for the word to get around the neighborhood.

"They were in a van with Washington plates and no side windows," said 12-year-old Cameron Carter.

12-year-old Skyler Stroop said, "They said he had like, gray hair, yeah. They said like, just to be aware."

Courtnee's close call is the talk of the neighborhood Tuesday.

Sheriff's deputies are looking for a white man in his mid-50s with salt and pepper hair. He is thought to be about 5 feet, 8 inches tall, weighing around 150 pounds. He was last seen driving a white cargo or minivan with Washington plates and no side windows, only a rear window with a curtain.

Sheriff's deputies say they have contacted a man who fits the young girl's description and he does drive a white van.

But as of right now, they are not sure any crime has been committed.

http://www.ksby.com/Global/story.asp?S=10760272&nav=menu544_1

I can no longer highlight anything at scared monkeys.. BUT Read the last line, it says they have the man and it says he drives the white van... I also assume that the van has Washington plates..
I assume ALE will have the common sense to check the van for DNA in both cases.. For Lindsey and for Amber Dubois.. as the van has washington plates and this indident happens close to where amber goes missing..

Please read the link and view the video..The little girl knows what she had seen without question.. I do not know why the police are being so vague.. I do not know why we have not read anything further on this incident..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on August 03, 2009, 03:18:37 PM
Thank you Edward for clairification on the van.  I hope the searched it too.

I also hope you are safe from the quake.  Lovinlife


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 03, 2009, 03:26:37 PM
What Quake ?

We love Earth Quakes !!  ::MonkeySlide::

I must have missed it... Lets go for another one..  ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 05, 2009, 01:09:56 PM
Anyways.. What would Amber look like today ?
Imagine this scenario, After months of being held and forced into things like drugs..

So I am looking around to see if she would show up.

This is a what do you think item..



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 05, 2009, 01:51:35 PM
When I am looking I am considering these factors..
Time.. Abuse..Threats...Worry...Forced...Drugs...Alcohol...Little Eating.. Sadness...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: pink angel on August 09, 2009, 06:24:09 AM
Local Teen Author Donates Part of Royalty to Dubois Trust Fund
Posted: Aug 08, 2009 12:59 PM CDT Updated: Aug 08, 2009 1:02 PM

A young local author is reaching out to the family of missing teenager Amber Dubois.

Jenna Cooper, 17, is a senior at Santana High School. She signed copies of her novel, "Turned," at the Mysterious Galaxy Bookstore in Kearny Mesa.

Ten percent of Cooper's royalty from the book will be used to create a trust fund to bring Amber home.

Dubois' family was at the signing.

Dubois, 14, was last seen Feb. 13 in Escondido while on her way to school.

(http://kfmb.images.worldnow.com/images/10870828_BG1.jpg)
http://www.760kfmb.com/Global/story.asp?S=10870828

Video Link
http://www.760kfmb.com/global/video/popup/pop_playerLaunch.asp?vt1=v&clipFormat=flv&clipId1=4026749&at1=News&h1=Local Teen Author Donates Part of Royalty to Dubois Trust Fund&flvUri=



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on August 11, 2009, 09:35:31 AM
Carrie and family ~ I'm glad Amber will be getting some national media time.  God bless you all and God bless Amber!

http://**/news/ci_13028764

Mom's the word: Losing a child for five minutes is terror, but six months is unbearable
By Anissa V. Rivera, Correspondent
Posted: 08/09/2009 11:25:13 PM PDT


I lost Firstborn Son at the Target in Duarte a couple of weeks ago.

I gave him permission to run ahead to the restroom but when I got there and called for him, he wasn't in any of the stalls. Back in the store, I had an ice-cold moment of panic and terror, calling out, ``Joseph!'' several times before hearing his shaky and faraway ``Mom!''

Poor thing had lost his bearings and ran back to find me, but we missed each other enroute. He was so relieved to be found that he forgot he needed to use the bathroom.

As for me, I just wanted to hold onto him and never let go.

I lost my son for no more than five minutes.

How must Amber Dubois' parents feel?

This month marks the six-month anniversary of Amber's disappearance.

The 14-year-old was last seen at 7:10a.m. Friday, Feb. 13, walking to school, which was less than a mile away from her Escondido home.

She had been especially excited that morning since she had just convinced her mother Carrie to let her buy a baby lamb that she was going to raise and care for as part of her Future Farmers of America class. Amber also carried Valentines for her friends.

The day after she disappeared, her cell phone was turned on once for about 20 seconds and has not been turned on since then, Escondido Police spokesman Lt. Bob Benton said.

Her parents, Maurice ``Moe'' Dubois and Carrie McGonigle, are not giving up hope of finding their daughter, the blue-eyed baby who slept through the night from Day One, who inherited her father's sense of humor and her mother's attitude and whose love for animals is all-encompassing.

``I never know just how many animals there are at any time, but for sure in February there were two dogs, at least one cat, a bird, possibly a rat at home,'' said Sheila Welch, Amber's grandmother. ``Carrie particularly included animals in the decor of any place they lived, and Amber adored dolphins from babyhood. Animals were allowed in the house and on the bed.

Not too many children are given the opportunity to celebrate life in conjunction with animals they love.''

Carrie McGonigle knows nothing would have kept Amber from her baby lamb, and the thought strengthens her determination to find her.

``Some days are easier than others,'' she said. ``When I feel myself losing it, I will usually go to my boss, Alan Katz. A five-minute talk from him puts me back on track. But in my ultimate lows, I will call Brad Dennis (director of search operations for KlaasKIDS Foundation's National Search Center for Missing Children.)''

Moe Dubois finds that very little helps him cope, aside from a strong support of family and friends.

``And I also try to keep myself busy,'' he said, organizing flier distribution days from around the San Diego area all the way up to Orange County, working with volunteers on searches and meeting with media.

This week, they will travel to New York, appearing on CNN's ``Issue'' with Jane Velez-Mitchell, the Steve Wilko Show and an ABC Missing Children's event anything to keep Amber's story in the news and her face in the minds of the public.
The FBI and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children are also on the case.

Even we in the San Gabriel Valley can help, they said.

``Log onto her Web site and tell as many people you know to do the same, e-mail a link to www.BringAmberHome.com to everyone you possibly can,'' Dubois said. ``Amber could be anywhere in the world in six months time. Ask people to post a copy of her flyer from the Web site.''

Former Valley resident Michelle Bart, founder of Helping Heroes Productions, has been hired by the family's attorney to expedite media attention in order to continue keeping Amber's face and case visible.

``It's very difficult to keep your composure during the cases I have seen this past year. I would be lying if I said I haven't cried or lost sleep over these cases,'' Bart said. ``But what keeps me going is knowing my life is rosy compared to what these children and adults who have been abducted has gone through or went through. I am determined to keep the faces visible because there is always hope until the person comes home one way or another.''

Meanwhile, Amber's parents wait, one day after another.

Their daughter's birthday is Oct. 25.

``Whatever Amber wants to do on her birthday is what we will do,'' her mother said.

Anyone with any information is asked to call the Escondido Police at (760) 839-4722 or go to www.BringAmberHome.com. There is a $50,000 reward for Amber's safe return and a $10,000 reward for any information leading to Amber's kidnappers.

Anissa V. Rivera is a columnist for the Highlander weeklies. She has a blog at http://www.insidesocal.com/mom and can be reached at anivriv@yahoo.com



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: pink angel on August 11, 2009, 10:47:05 AM


Quote
Former Valley resident Michelle Bart, founder of Helping Heroes Productions, has been hired by the family's attorney to expedite media attention in order to continue keeping Amber's face and case visible.

Michelle Bart? Really? ::shakes head::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: pink angel on August 11, 2009, 10:48:18 AM
I'm glad Amber will be getting some national media time though. My prayers are with Amber and all of her family and friends.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 11, 2009, 03:13:15 PM
Mark is really doing good at finding a live Amber..

Did he know Jim Jones ?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on August 11, 2009, 10:53:14 PM
Anyways.. What would Amber look like today ?
Imagine this scenario, After months of being held and forced into things like drugs..

So I am looking around to see if she would show up.

This is a what do you think item..

Point understood - her eyes would be dull and/or glazed - but still blue.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on August 11, 2009, 10:56:05 PM


Quote
Former Valley resident Michelle Bart, founder of Helping Heroes Productions, has been hired by the family's attorney to expedite media attention in order to continue keeping Amber's face and case visible.

Michelle Bart? Really? ::shakes head::

?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on August 11, 2009, 10:59:58 PM
It Has Been Six Long Months Since Amber's Disappearance
 
We Will Never Stop Searching
 
Please Join Us
 
Thursday, August 13th
 
in Escondido
 
Candlelight Vigil
8pm
at Escondido High School
1535 N. Broadway, Escondido, CA
 
or in Orange County
 
Butterfly Release
5:30pm
Hillsborough Private School
191 Old Springs Road
Anaheim Hills, CA
 
We Need Your Help to Bring Amber Home!
 
The Native American Indian Butterfly Legend
If anyone desires a wish to come true they must first capture a butterfly and whisper their wish to it.
Since a butterfly can make no sound,
the butterfly can not reveal the wish to anyone but the Great Spirit who hears and sees all.

In gratitude for giving the beautiful butterfly its freedom,
the Great Spirit always grants the wish.
 So, according to legend, by making a wish and giving the butterfly its freedom,
 the wish will be taken to the heavens and be granted.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on August 12, 2009, 04:10:19 AM


Quote
Former Valley resident Michelle Bart, founder of Helping Heroes Productions, has been hired by the family's attorney to expedite media attention in order to continue keeping Amber's face and case visible.

Michelle Bart? Really? ::shakes head::

Oh no!  I would not trust her to help if I lost a earing down a sink drain.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Nut44x4 on August 12, 2009, 08:57:47 AM
Anyways.. What would Amber look like today ?
Imagine this scenario, After months of being held and forced into things like drugs..

So I am looking around to see if she would show up.

This is a what do you think item..


I suppose it could be. It does kind of look like her, but IMO...she is no longer of this Earth. So where did the photo come from?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 12, 2009, 01:28:31 PM
Nut44x4 I too believe that Amber needs to be found and I have my doubts she is alive..
 But Mark has this family convinced Amber is Alive and IF she is, then she must have been taken by somebody who had intentions for her, one of those intentions may have been forced sexual servitude..
In other words she is working as a prostitute.
The modern day pimp can be man or woman and they move there girls around all the time.
The currant method of advertising or soliciting customers is done online..
She could be working as a online web cam performer and it would be very hard to find her as there are thousands and it changes all the time ..
 or most of the time you will see girls listed on Craig's list in the adult or erotic section..
Because there are thousands of craigslist listing in all cities it would take an army of monkeys to monitor craigs list adult adds every day to search for a live Amber Leeann Dubois.
This photo that I posted was taken from San Francisco Craig's list adult section.. In other words her capture would have her working for the moment in San Francisco.
Monkeys need to understand that this is very possible..
Look up Dr.Donna Hughes on the web and see how it is done..

Anyway The family should be searching the areas I have mentioned in this thread as I do believe Amber will be found in one of those areas.. as patterns of behaviors are almost always correct..

I ask that the family search the areas I mentioned.. I also ask all monkeys nation wide to monitor criags list adds for Amber and any others that may be in Ambers situation.

There are many adds for girls in San Diego and even Escondido, is the family aware and already monitoring this every day ? maybe she is close to home..
Some of these Pimp people use drugs to keep girls under control.. IF that is so Amber will look VERY different then you ever thought possible.

Proof of that is the comparison of Amy Bradley before and after being held for a period of time and even though her photo was found Amy herself has not been found but even our F.B.I. agrees she is in fact alive.

Here is a comparison photo of Amy before and After..taken from an adult vacation web site on margarita island in Venezuela years after she went missing.
 


   


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 12, 2009, 01:46:14 PM
I would like to post a link to where I found the photo BUT That particular add for that girl has been removed by CraigsList.

I will post it again for comparison purpose..


I do with with all due respect for the family..
I am looking for a live Amber.. As Donna Hughes said, they hide them in plain sight.

In many other nations women are forced to work as online web cam performers as it makes huge amounts of money and it is all virtual. It makes it very hard to actually locate the person being viewed..
The online adult world is huge and there appears to be countless amounts of web sites that offer web cam girls.. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on August 12, 2009, 02:08:23 PM
Thank you Edward for your insite & dedication.  One question, was that craigslist ad in SoCal?

My heart breaks for these young girls and reminds me to count my blessings as I have many.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 12, 2009, 02:09:10 PM
The above photo of the girl that was listed in the adult area of craigslist in San Francisco was an offer for adult services and NOT a web cam performer.. Craigslist deleted the add..
I question why craigslist deleted it and can they bring it back....

BUT ALL Monkeys consider this ..
 I could have called a phone number that was on that Add and went to meet up with the girl.. IF It was Amber, then at that moment all hell would have to break loose to save her.
She herself could become part of the problem depending on various factors..

On the moment IF her capture felt they were at risk..The Pimp would move her quickly !!

What I am trying to say is this..
 This family MUST come up with a extradition plan if Amber is found during an online search as working in such a situation..
NO Monkeys should try to go take her out of the situation..  An extradition could become extremely violent and although I might not have a problem with that myself, the bottom line is somebody could get hurt.. It could be a monkey.
So use your common sense if the Monkeys plan to search, and this family must have a plan as what is going to happen IF she is located in an online situation, because if found something has to happen quickly.
 I do not believe local police from around the nation will respond quickly enough to some monkey calling them to tell them that they have found Amber LeeAnne Dubois on craigslist.

So this is my disclaimer to all of you to be careful and to get a plan and to not act on your own, other then to bring it to this families attention.
They must have a plan to act quickly and on the moment.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: canadianmonkey on August 12, 2009, 02:59:11 PM
I can see the resemblence in the nose and mouth.  What do other monkeys think?



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 12, 2009, 04:05:51 PM
I do not think it is her, but it could be her, slimmer, and notice she is not happy in the photo, like she is being told to smile.. which hit me in the mind.. because it is close..
she looks coerced to me..
Like most of the adult adds in craigslst have pictures of girls.. smiling, laughing, inviting photos.. They used to be really nasty adds and now they are not all that bad ..but some nudity.. What if I myself or any of you come across what anyone of us thinks is her picture ..
Who we gonna call ? The ghosts busters ?
Call the F.B.I. and maybe they respond in a few days..maybe, Most likely she is gone by then..
That initial respond has to be within hours... HOW would any one of them get a possible positive id on her to run with it with sirens and light-bars from every angle ?

Only the family can give the first clue as to a possible first sight ID.
Discussing it among themselves.. IF She really is alive and not being held in some basement, which I doubt but anything is possible in this case.
Underage prostitution is big money and craigslist as a company has already been informed and deleted many what was considered underage girls offed in craigslist over the years..
Craig himself is a local to our area, San Francisco area. He supports women who do this a semi safe method of advertising..better then a bar or streets..
Craigslist recently toned down the adds after getting into some legal troubles.. I wish they would have left it alone and all moms should be looking to see if and or who is posting such adds and are they a willing participant or a victim ?
As I remember there already is a case of men taking a 14 year old girl to a motel in the San Diego area and convicted of such acts.. they were putting her up for sale on craigslist..

when I looked at that picture that I posted ..
I thought this girl has a strange look on her face ..
There is some resemblance and it has been a long time as well as a organized group that does this would make attempts to change her appearance..

I am not an advocate for stopping Craigs List as running these adds..
Let them free-flow it as it did before.
It is a private investigators free online resource of possible victims.. Craigslist themselves could gather all such postings in a data base complete with pictures and phone numbers that change all the time ..plus they get the isp and comp id.
Most of the adds appear posted out of Motels that have online access.
 Most are off laptops.. The new level of modern day pimps are high tech and online, some 24-7


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: pink angel on August 13, 2009, 08:36:21 AM
ESCONDIDO: Missing teen's family pushes forward six months later

CHRIS NICHOLS - cnichols@nctimes.com | Posted: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 6:05 pm

Six months after Amber Dubois disappeared, pictures of the bookish, blue-eyed 14-year-old are still posted across Escondido and across Southern California.

Banners reading "Help Us Find Amber" still line fences along North Broadway near Escondido High School. Her name is still part of the family's answering machine greeting at their home, just a few blocks from the campus.

Amber was last seen Feb. 13 walking to school. No trace of how or why she disappeared has been found.

Her family, despite a tortured spring and summer of searches that turned up nothing, has not given up hope. It recently hired a new private investigator and will fly in specialized search dogs from Maine later this month.

This week, Amber's mother and father, Carrie McGonigle and Moe Dubois, traveled to New York City for a national media blitz. Her mother and father desperately hope the larger stage, including interviews on network TV shows, will make the difference in a case that has frustrated and puzzled police and left a gaping hole in the family's heart.

"All it takes is one person to crack this case open," the teen's father said. "All it takes is one pair of eyes."

Missing Amber

The door to Amber's bedroom is kept open inside the family's two-story north Escondido home. The teen's black and gray cat, Robin, often slumbers on Amber's bunk bed.

Her watercolor paintings of wolves (she adores wolves), her "Twilight" movie poster and vast array of books, including her Harry Potter collection, remain as she left them.

"I usually have panic attacks when I come up here," said McGonigle, standing in her daughter's small room, her voice breaking.

Amber's mother moved out of the home six weeks after the teen disappeared, in part, she said, because the reminders of what she's lost are all around. She now lives with a friend just a few blocks away.

McGonigle's former boyfriend, David Cave, and the couple's 6-year-old daughter, Allison, remain at the home. Amber's father lives in Orange County.

Family and the teen's close friends describe Amber as a model student, a girl who was looking forward to raising a baby lamb through her school's agriculture program and who never once spoke of running away.

Her parents are convinced she was abducted by a stranger. Police, without evidence to prove either theory, have classified Amber's disappearance as a "suspicious missing person" case.

Sheila Welch, the teen's maternal grandmother, has paid for public relations help for the family and recently hired Lawrence Olmstead, a Los Angeles-based private detective. Olmstead follows San Diego-based private investigator Bill Garcia, who worked for the family early on. Welch emphasized the new investigator's work is meant to complement, not compete with, local police efforts.

Welch, an attorney who lives in Paramount, north of Long Beach, also has spent months arranging for the specialized search hounds from VK9 Scent Specific Search Recovery of Brewer, Maine. The company's canines can track a scent months after a person has disappeared, Welch said.

The grandmother, who family say inspired Amber's love for animals and reading, said she'll "never stop" looking for her granddaughter.

Case remains a mystery

Escondido police have received and investigated more than 1,100 tips in the case. They've interviewed more than 550 people, including Amber's family, friends, neighbors, sex offenders who live near the family's Escondido home and every classmate she had this past spring and fall, said Lt. Bob Benton. More than two dozen police investigators and support staff worked on the girl's case shortly after she vanished. Three full-time investigators are still assigned to it, he said.

After all their work, however, they still have no idea what happened to the shy and sheltered girl.

"We all wake up in the middle of the night just pondering, 'What did we miss?'" Benton said. "That takes a toll on us."

In most missing-person investigations, police have something to start with ---- the description of a suspect or perhaps a car involved. With Amber's, they have next to nothing.

Police are still not sure whether the driver of a maroon pickup seen on school surveillance video was involved in Amber's disappearance. The truck was seen exiting the school's maintenance yard at roughly the same time Amber was spotted walking nearby.

"In this case, we're just going down dead end after dead end," said the lieutenant, flanked by more than a dozen thick binders containing interview transcripts, photographs and other original case documents. "It's been so frustrating."

Police do not have any suspects, nor have they ruled anyone out, including family members.

Amber's parents say they want police to explore all possibilities.

"At this point, they're not looking at us as possible suspects," Amber's father said. "If something points in that direction (toward a family member), I would want them to look there."

Amber's father, mother and the mother's longtime boyfriend all voluntarily took polygraph tests shortly after the teen vanished.

Escondido police have worked with agents from the Federal Bureau of Investigation, investigators with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, contacted law enforcement in Canada (Amber has extended family in Montreal), Mexico and across the globe.

"It's been an important case for all of us," said Escondido police Investigator Beverly Marquez. "We want to find this girl and bring her home."

Marquez serves as a liaison between the family and the department. In her 15 years working missing-person cases, she said couldn't recall one as involved as Amber's or with so few clues.

She said that Amber's case will remain open as long as it takes.

"She's not home yet ---- it's an active case," the investigator said.

Family's anguish

The pain surrounding Amber's loss never truly subsides, family members say.

Amber's father still has not been able to resume his job at Netcom Technologies, where he's a senior estimator for the company. Her mother just returned to work last month at a local printing company, she said.

When despair hits, it's often a phone call from one of the committed volunteers that lifts them, they say. Many of the volunteers started as strangers and have become the family's closest supporters.

Outside observers say Amber's mother and father have worked diligently to find their daughter.

"I'm incredibly impressed by Moe and Carrie," said Marc Klaas, whose daughter, Polly, was kidnapped and murdered in Northern California in 1993. "As long as they can continue to be proactive and as long as they can continue to be busy, I think they can hold the fear at bay."

Klaas, through his Klaas Kids Foundation, has supported the family's efforts.

When asked why they keep searching, family members say they can't imagine doing anything else.

They want the girl who loved to collect seashells on the beach, who made her mother breakfast on Mother's Day, who would hide under the covers of her bed with a book and flashlight and read late into the night, back home.

"I know that someone out there knows something," said Amber's mother. "And I would just beg them to call anonymously. No one needs to know who they are."

Call staff writer Chris Nichols at 760-740-5426.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_446690ab-3040-5b21-b169-a91f0b633da4.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 13, 2009, 12:47:24 PM
"It's been an important case for all of us," said Escondido police Investigator Beverly Marquez. "We want to find this girl and bring her home."

Marquez serves as a liaison between the family and the department. In her 15 years working missing-person cases, she said couldn't recall one as involved as Amber's or with so few clues.

There is quite a few cases at this moment in the same situation.. just to name a few..
Lindsey
Tracy
Brittaney
hasanni

The perps are getting away with these acts because people are not vigilant enough with themselves and or there children in my opinion..
Also the perps appear to be getting smarter.
BUT on the other side of that coin..Even when the police have photos of the perps ..
1.like the 5 year old boy taken in San bernardino "f.b.i. knows the perps names names"
2.the male in the Kmart molestation case..clear picture and his vehicle..
3.the male who puts a tie wrap around a girls neck and tries to stuff her choking into his trunk and the brother comes over and fights with him..police have vehicle description and a complete description of the perp and they still do not have ANY of these males in custody.. THAT is disturbing..
The perps make the police look bad as they appear to be able to make blatant attacks and get away with it..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: pink angel on August 13, 2009, 07:02:40 PM
Amber's parents are going to on JVM issues tonight on HLN.  It's started here. They are up after the "drunk driving mom" story.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on August 14, 2009, 09:31:43 AM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0908/13/ijvm.01.html

**snipped**
POLITAN: Fourteen-year-old California girl Amber Dubois vanished exactly six months ago today on her walk to school. Amber seemingly disappeared without a trace.

Cops have no suspects, but they are not ruling anyone out. Over 500 people have been interviewed, and police have received and investigated over 1,000 tips.

Despite the frustrating lack of information, Amber`s parents are not giving up. They reportedly have hired a private investigator and are flying in dogs from Maine to help in the search for their daughter. Tonight, vigils will be held nationwide for young Amber as friends, family and strangers are hoping for her safe return.

Tonight, I`m honored to be joined by Amber`s parents, Moe Dubois and Carrie McGonigle. Thank you, both, for joining us tonight.

And I know this must be extremely difficult, but, if you could -- and Carrie, I`ll begin with you. Could you explain what happened that morning six months ago and why you believe that your daughter`s not a teenage run away?

CARRIE MCGONIGLE, MOTHER OF AMBER: Amber was very excited that day for school. It was a day she was looking forward to for over a year. She was purchasing her baby lamb for her school project. I waited until the very last day to give her the money. And she had her Valentine`s Day presents in her backpack that we took her to the store the night before.

I kissed her good-bye in the morning and told her I`d see her later that evening. We`d go do something. And she left for school.

POLITAN: There was nothing unusual about that morning?

MCGONIGLE: Except that she was so excited about purchasing the lamb.

POLITAN: Moe, what can -- what can folks do if they know anything about this? Have you set up Web sites? We`ve got numbers for folks to call?

MOE DUBOIS, FATHER OF AMBER: Absolutely. If you recognize Amber in any way, the first thing is contact the FBI, get in touch with them, let them know anything that you may know.

If you`re unaware or don`t know anything, by all means, logon to Amber`s Web site. And you can find the entire story. You can download flyers, put them up in your local areas, give them to local law enforcement, and make sure everyone is aware of Amber`s story.

POLITAN: Now, one thing that intrigues, I think, everyone in this case is that you`re looking into the presence of this suspicious dark red truck that was on the school grounds that day. Take a look at this video. It`s grainy surveillance footage that shows the truck pulling in and leaving after about four minutes. Have police been able to track this truck down?

DUBOIS: No. At this time, there has been no concrete location of the vehicle. The vehicle appeared at exactly the three-minute window that they`ve narrowed down Amber`s disappearance to, and we`d just like to find out who the owner of the vehicle is. Perhaps he may have seen something, may have a connection to this. We have no concrete evidence of who owns the vehicle or...

POLITAN: Let`s take one more look at it. And again, folks, if you know anyone that owns a vehicle like this or -- it`s dark red, and it`s in that area. And this wasn`t connected to anyone at the school, right?

MCGONIGLE: No, they`ve had no -- they checked out everything. They looked for it before they released it to the public, trying -- trying to find it.

POLITAN: Tell us about the vigil that`s going to take place.

MCGONIGLE: We`re going to have it -- where we having it?

DUBOIS: We`re having the vigil tonight in New York at Central Park at Tavern on the Green. There`s also a vigil in Orange County today in California. Back home in Escondido, we`re having a vigil. There`s also one in Arizona. We`re having a few of them, basically, nationwide.

POLITAN: Moe -- Moe and Carrie, thank you so much for coming in. And all our thoughts and prayers are with you in the search for your daughter. Thank you so much.

MCGONIGLE: OK, thank you.

**snipped**


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on August 14, 2009, 09:34:15 AM
They still have not located the truck?  (http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss241/Lovin-life2008/smileys/smiley-angry.gif)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 14, 2009, 01:51:54 PM
SAN DIEGO -- Police are investigating an attempted abduction in the Bay Terraces area, 10News reported.

San Diego police said a 15-year-old girl was walking home from Bell Middle School shortly before 2 p.m. when two males standing on the street approached her on Woodman Street near Bullock Drive.

The girl told police the men asked her what time it was, and then shoved her to the ground and tried to grab her.

http://www.10news.com/news/20390783/detail.html

Another abduction attempt.
There are lots of abduction attempts on young girls over the time since Amber went missing.


 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 14, 2009, 02:09:02 PM
San Diego august 11 2009
La Mesa Man Arrested in Abduction and murder of 18 year old girl..
Dropped her body in Arizona..

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/La-Mesa-Man-Arrested-in-Abduction-and-Shooting-of/6bvi6i6m9kuxvKe94C1ncg.cspx

Many many things happen in the area.. I just quit posting all the stuff I read..

The fact that the police can't even find a man that they have a video of him and his truck at a k-mart disturbs me.

500 Witnesses interviewed and 1000 leads in Amber's case..

It is the case of the sleeping police department..
Remember the police on video proclaiming Amber's friends had seen her the next day..
He was sure she was a run away.


The Red Pick Up was clearly involved as I had pointed out months ago..
IF I can see it then I would expect that a professional detective can see it..

I know nothing.. jmho


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 14, 2009, 03:03:33 PM
Escondido - It's been six months since she disappeared, and the search still continues for Amber Dubois.
     The girl's father, Maurice Dubois, says they have not found any new information in the case.
     The Escondido Police Department is asking the state for an additional $40,000 to increase the reward for information in the teenager's disappearance.
     That would bring the total reward to $100,000.
     The police department also has three of its officers assigned to the case full time.
     They are still looking for the owner of a red pickup truck that was seen on surveillance footage near the school around the time Amber Dubois disappeared.
     The girl's family has hired a private, specialized search team from Maine, hoping they will help lead them to new information.
     Maurice Dubois says the team's search dogs have had a lot of success in other cases in picking up scents up to a year old.
     A candlelight vigil for Amber Dubois will be held tonight at 8 p.m. in front of Escondido High School.


http://www.sandiego6.com/mostpopular/story/Six-Months-Later-Search-Continues-For-Missing/SwkTbsBYF0u2v9GExdP-rg.cspx




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on August 14, 2009, 03:46:52 PM
April 24th, 2009 that is the day LE released the video of the truck to the public but you can bet that LE knew about it long before that!  Why have they not identified the owner?  Surely the were able to get a plate?  Was it stolen, were the plates stolen?  Who knows but I bet that if the person with the truck was involved (which I completely believe that it was), the truck is no longer being used and is either in Mexico, stripped down into little pieces or burnt beyond recognition.  :smt013

I cannot believe that it has been 6 months since Amber walked off the face of the earth.  In the beginning I was very nieve and thought that she would show up after a few weeks of some missunderstanding with her parents, etc.

Since I've had time to stew about this I've gone back and forth with theories and scenarios in my head.  IMO, this is sexual in nature.  Amber was either abducted for some sadistic sexual encounter and murdered or is being held as Edward says in some sort of sexual slavery situation.  Either way the last six months have not been pleasant for Amber or her family.  I cannot even begin to comprehend their frustration with the situation.  Yet they wait six months to fly in special dogs from Maine?  That seems quite odd to me.  Are there no S&R teams qualified in & around California?  I'm betting there are.  Have any more searchs been completed since the first few months?  I believe the family closed up their search center.

And what is the deal with SanDiego and the abductions?

Sorry for the RANT.




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: MAca on August 14, 2009, 05:20:27 PM
        Hi Monkeys,  I never post on the threads but I do follow most of the cases.  I have been here since the beginning of NAH case. I live in the San Diego area.  Last night on the local channel 8 news they said the investigation was taking a new direction. They interviewed the family's PI.  Can't remember his name sorry ::MonkeyWaa::  and he said there was a good lead that would take him into Mexico. He said that he had not been working on the case lately but that with the new lead it would be easier for him to go looking in Mexico than the LE and the family (who are in New York) agreed. They said she might have been convinced to go  willingly by people she knew but then forced to stay.  I sure hope it leads to finding her...alive. ::MonkeyDance::   If I hear more will let you know. ::MonkeyCool:: Madge


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 14, 2009, 05:45:14 PM
Machismo ?? taken to Mexico as a kept g/f or wife ?


Is the PI Garcia ?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 14, 2009, 05:51:18 PM
Amber had a Mexican Boyfriend ?? Or she aquainted herself with a Mexican worker from around her home or somebody within her family has Mexican workers ?

You only go to Mexico, if you is Mexicano...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on August 14, 2009, 06:12:35 PM
New Tip in Amber's Case?

http://www.cbs8.com/global/category.asp?c=155799&clipId=&topVideoCatNo=149659&topVideoCatNoB=155712&topVideoCatNoC=155713&topVideoCatNoD=155710&topVideoCatNoE=155711&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=4043296&flvUri=

Hat tip to MAca!!!!! I see you up in the rafters sometimes.  Glad you brought this here.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 14, 2009, 06:15:16 PM
Thanks Lovinlife for finding that..

The PI is Garcia..

We know him from the Laci Peterson case.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 14, 2009, 06:24:48 PM
Escondido police have received and investigated more than 1,100 tips in the case. They've interviewed more than 550 people, including Amber's family, friends, neighbors, sex offenders who live near the family's Escondido home and every classmate she had this past spring and fall, said Lt. Bob Benton. More than two dozen police investigators and support staff worked on the girl's case shortly after she vanished. Three full-time investigators are still assigned to it, he said.

After all their work, however, they still have no idea what happened to the shy and sheltered girl.

"We all wake up in the middle of the night just pondering, 'What did we miss?'" Benton said. "That takes a toll on us."

In most missing-person investigations, police have something to start with ---- the description of a suspect or perhaps a car involved. With Amber's, they have next to nothing.

Police are still not sure whether the driver of a maroon pickup seen on school surveillance video was involved in Amber's disappearance. The truck was seen exiting the school's maintenance yard at roughly the same time Amber was spotted walking nearby.

"In this case, we're just going down dead end after dead end," said the lieutenant, flanked by more than a dozen thick binders containing interview transcripts, photographs and other original case documents. "It's been so frustrating."

Police do not have any suspects, nor have they ruled anyone out, including family members.

Amber's parents say they want police to explore all possibilities.

"At this point, they're not looking at us as possible suspects," Amber's father said. "If something points in that direction (toward a family member), I would want them to look there."

Amber's father, mother and the mother's longtime boyfriend all voluntarily took polygraph tests shortly after the teen vanished.



(http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.**/nctimes.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/5/b0/fbb/5b0fbb2d-941a-58d7-9cfc-fb4940fdc80f.preview-300.jpg)

Carrie McGonigle, mother of Amber Dubois

(http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.**/nctimes.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/a/a5/655/aa5655f5-5c7a-5a66-9e35-9976bf245140.image.jpg)
Carrie McGonigle, mother of missing teen Amber Dubois, had her daughter's name tattooed on her wrist two weeks ago.

(http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.**/nctimes.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/5/bc/922/5bc92216-aef0-555f-af13-7889e46a10e9.image.jpg)
Escondido Police Department Lt. Bob Benton looks at a map of Escondido with markings related to the Amber Dubois case. A small library of binders containing information on the case is on shelves beside the map.

(http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.**/nctimes.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/0/ee/004/0ee0049b-77a1-5ec0-8cc8-7616ac193c55.image.jpg)
A drawing of a wolf by missing teen Amber Dubois, on display in her room in Escondido.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_446690ab-3040-5b21-b169-a91f0b633da4.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on August 14, 2009, 06:28:22 PM
For those that can't get the video:

Garcia has tip that suggests that Amber MAY have gone voluntarily but now MAY BE being held against her will outside of Tijuana.

My heart breaks for AmbersGrandmom, Ampersand, Carrie & Moe.  Praying for answers.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: MAca on August 14, 2009, 06:34:38 PM
New Tip in Amber's Case?

http://www.cbs8.com/global/category.asp?c=155799&clipId=&topVideoCatNo=149659&topVideoCatNoB=155712&topVideoCatNoC=155713&topVideoCatNoD=155710&topVideoCatNoE=155711&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=4043296&flvUri=

Hat tip to MAca!!!!! I see you up in the rafters sometimes.  Glad you brought this here.
000000000     Thanks Lovin for getting the link...that is why I never post computer challenged for sure.    ::MonkeyConfused::    Yes I am on SM every day and part of evey night.  I really have athe heart for missing children.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: MAca on August 14, 2009, 06:36:50 PM
  Oops fouled that up good.   Sorry  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 14, 2009, 06:38:20 PM
This was from may 19 2009 from Detective Benton.. The fellow with the map pictured above..


"One tipster thought they saw Amber in a semi-truck, coming across the Mexico border in Tecate.  Our investigators not only found the truck but talked to the driver and the girl who looked similar to Amber, but wasn't her,"said Benton. 

Amber's Mom Has a Theory About Mystery Truck



I thinks, Garcia is running with this one..
It kind of makes sense..
 A American girl gets in a Semi truck driven by a Mexican dribver ? and crosses the border into Mexico ?? The driver appears to admit that there was in fact a girl with him but that it was not Amber ??
How many American girls get into semi trucks and go into Mexico ?? NOT MANY.


Anyways Garcia has talked some stories before.. So Who Knows, he could be just raking down the family for money.
jmho


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on August 14, 2009, 06:53:56 PM
This was from may 19 2009 from Detective Benton.. The fellow with the map pictured above..


"One tipster thought they saw Amber in a semi-truck, coming across the Mexico border in Tecate.  Our investigators not only found the truck but talked to the driver and the girl who looked similar to Amber, but wasn't her,"said Benton. 

Amber's Mom Has a Theory About Mystery Truck



I thinks, Garcia is running with this one..
It kind of makes sense..
 A American girl gets in a Semi truck driven by a Mexican dribver ? and crosses the border into Mexico ?? The driver appears to admit that there was in fact a girl with him but that it was not Amber ??
How many American girls get into semi trucks and go into Mexico ?? NOT MANY.


Anyways Garcia has talked some stories before.. So Who Knows, he could be just raking down the family for money.
jmho
I don't know anything about this Garcia guy.  The stepfather (in video link above) said something to the effect that he's not getting his hopes up. Michelle Bart & HelpingHeros do not have a good opinion from me with all the schenanagans(?) she pulled in cahoots with the Anthony family.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: pink angel on August 14, 2009, 11:26:31 PM
This was from may 19 2009 from Detective Benton.. The fellow with the map pictured above..


"One tipster thought they saw Amber in a semi-truck, coming across the Mexico border in Tecate.  Our investigators not only found the truck but talked to the driver and the girl who looked similar to Amber, but wasn't her,"said Benton. 

Amber's Mom Has a Theory About Mystery Truck



I thinks, Garcia is running with this one..
It kind of makes sense..
 A American girl gets in a Semi truck driven by a Mexican dribver ? and crosses the border into Mexico ?? The driver appears to admit that there was in fact a girl with him but that it was not Amber ??
How many American girls get into semi trucks and go into Mexico ?? NOT MANY.


Anyways Garcia has talked some stories before.. So Who Knows, he could be just raking down the family for money.
jmho
I don't know anything about this Garcia guy.  The stepfather (in video link above) said something to the effect that he's not getting his hopes up. Michelle Bart & HelpingHeros do not have a good opinion from me with all the schenanagans(?) she pulled in cahoots with the Anthony family.

The tip doesn't sound that credible to me, Lov. I agree with her step-dad.

As far as Michelle Bart goes...I wouldn't have her involved with my missing child's case, even if you paid ME.

Thank you for all the updates. I am praying for Amber. I hope that one tip comes in, that will give her family some answers to help bring her home.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on August 18, 2009, 11:16:59 AM
(http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/crime/scan0001.jpg)

This is the suspect in Auburn California february attempted abduction of a 16 year old girl driving a red 4 door pick up.. She got away..

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/crime/archives/020046.html

Call the Auburn police and see if they know about Amber..
Have detectives compare notes..
530-823-4237


Bumping this up to spark some conversation regarding this latest arrest of attempted kidnapping in Anaheim, CA. 

(http://images.ocregister.com/newsimages/2009/08/17/b78539894z120090817191459000gobj77qs2_md.jpg)

Monday, August 17, 2009
Man arrested in attempt to kidnap 10-year-old girl
Authorities believe suspect is connected to other incidents, including one in Irvine.
By KIMBERLY EDDS and CINDY CARCAMO
THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER
Comments 38| Recommend 3

ANAHEIM – A 26-year-old man authorities say tried to kidnap a 10-year-old girl by offering her money has been arrested.

The girl escaped on her scooter.

Alfredo Granados Canchola of Artesia was arrested by Sheriff's Department investigators Monday afternoon in Santa Ana. Authorities believe he may be connected to other similar incidents, including one in Irvine. That case is under investigation.

Canchola is being held on $100,000 bail on suspicion of attempted kidnapping.

About 3 p.m. Saturday, a man driving a Lexus approached a 10-year-old girl who was throwing out trash behind the apartment complex she lives in on the 9900 block of Broadway Street in unincorporated Anaheim, Orange County Sheriff's spokesman Jim Amormino said.

The man reportedly asked the girl if she knew someone, giving her a female's name. The girl said no and started to walk away. But the man parked his car, got out and showed her a handful of cash, Amormino said.

"He asked her that if she wanted the money to come in the car with him," Amormino said.

But the girl got on her scooter and ran to tell her father. The girl's father ran out to catch the man, who he saw driving away, Amormino said. The father managed to get all but one of the Lexus' license plate numbers.

An investigator at Irvine Police Department provided sheriff's investigator Jeff Brown with crucial information that eventually led to the arrest, Sheriff Sandra Hutchens said.

According to Irvine police Lt. John Hare, a 16-year-old girl contacted Irvine police in May to report Canchola had contacted her, but his "bizarre behavior" worried her. The case is still under investigation, Hare said.

Brown said he believes Canchola may also be connected to other cases in Orange and Riverside counties. Canchola was arrested after he unwittingly agreed to a meeting in Santa Ana with Sheriff's investigators Monday afternoon.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/girl-sheriff-amormino-2531884-year-old


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on August 18, 2009, 11:27:45 AM
Ok, as I have confessed before at being geographically illiterate, especially on the west coast, I had to look up Orange & Riverside Co.  They are both immediately north of San Diego Co. http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ca_map_counties.html

So could this man be the same man who was suspect in the February attempt in Auburn involving red truck?

Brown said he believes Canchola may also be connected to other cases in Orange and Riverside counties.

And San Diego Co?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on August 18, 2009, 12:06:27 PM
If his occupation is detailer wouldn't he have access to many different vehicles?  Including a full sized red pickup truck with spotless chrome wheels?


Inmate Name: CANCHOLA , ALFREDO GRANADOS 
Date of Birth:  04-21-1982  Next Appearance Date:  08-19-2009 
Sex:  Male  Next Appearance Court:  NORTH JUSTICE CENTER 
Race:  Mexican-Latin American  Custody Status:  In Custody 
Height:  5' 09"  Bail Amount:  $ 0.00 
Weight:  155  Arrested on:  08-17-2009 
Hair Color:  Black  Housing Location:  Intake Release Center (Men) 
Eye Color:  Brown   
Occupation:  DETAILER     
Aliases
CANCHOLA, ALFREDO
CANCHOLAGRANADOS, ALFREDO
GRANADOS, ALFREDO
http://www.ocsd.org/whosinjail?IDX=whosinjail&FormAction=BookingNo&BookingNo=2529819


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 18, 2009, 12:52:55 PM
Anything is possible I suppose.. He does not appear to be an violent abductor..
He makes contact.. He offers money and she gets on her scooter and leaves..
He does not chase after her.

Is he from Cuba or Colombia by chance ???

 
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 18, 2009, 01:13:44 PM
Date: 02 December 2008
POLICE are investigating the attempted abduction of a 12-year-old girl in Ayrshire on Sunday.

The girl was walking along Woodlands Avenue towards Caldon Road in Irvine at about 7pm when she passed a silver vehicle, which was parked facing her on the road.

The front passenger door was opened as the young girl passed the vehicle and a male grabbed her by her wrist and tried to entice her into the car.

The girl managed to break free and ran home. She was unharmed, but has been left badly shaken as a result of the incident. It is believed that the suspects drove off in the direction of Bank Street.

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Girl-12-shaken-after-attempted.4750453.jp



Tuesday, February 24, 2009
Ladera parents vigilant after attempted abduction

LADERA RANCH – In the wake of Sunday's attempted abduction of a 10-year-old boy from a residential street in Ladera, school administrators are asking parents to be watchful for the safety of their children.


All four Ladera public schools – Chaparral Elementary, Oso Grande Elementary and Ladera Ranch Elementary and Middle schools – sent an e-mail to parents regarding safety guidelines for students.
(http://images.ocregister.com/newsimages/2009/02/23/abduct.0223.MED.jpg)
Authorities released this sketch of a suspect that tried to lure the boy on Downing Street. The man is described as in his 30s with blond or light brown hair and a goatee, who was wearing a black T-shirt with the word "Quicksilver" on it and an earring in his right ear.

Meg Gwyn, principal of Ladera Ranch Elementary School, told students during Monday's flag salute that a Ladera student had been approached by a stranger.

Gwyn said she reminded students to always walk with a partner, whether on or off campus, and to never go anywhere with a stranger.

Gwyn said she also asked teachers to continue talking to students about ways to stay safe.

Ladera parents say they plan to keep a more watchful eye over their children.

Michele Ensley, 36, lives on the corner of Downing Street, where the attempted abduction took place.

"I was shocked," said Ensley, the mother of a 4-year-old, a 12-year-old and a 14-year-old.

Ensley, who learned of the incident Sunday afternoon, said she didn't let her 12-year-old daughter and her two friends sit on the park bench directly across from their home after nightfall. Ensley said she's let them do so in the past.

This time, the girls sat in the back yard.

"It's good that we open our eyes," said Ensley. "We take our safety for granted."

Tay Crivello, 34, said he's also become a more protective parent.

Crivello, the father of a fourth-grader at Ladera Ranch Elementary School, said he didn't let his daughter walk to school Monday with her friend.

Crivello said he plans to supervise his daughter more and talk to her again about safety rules.

"It takes something like that to open your eyes," he said.

Sunny Alahmad, the parent of a 4-year-old and a resident of Downing Street, said parents need to watch their children at all times.

"I hover like a helicopter," said Alahmad


http://www.ocregister.com/articles/school-parents-attempted-2316418-abduction-child


There does appear to be a pattern of behavior in the area of Irvine...
I am working at the moment but these 2 incidents were easy to find.. So I posted them.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 18, 2009, 02:01:18 PM
I made a mistake..The first of the 2 articles above is a story from Irvine U.K. !
Sorry about that....



Here is a crime for 2 months for the los angeles area..
It is very interactive and you can change dates and type of crimes to see what ever you want.
ALL major Cities should have an interactive map like this one.
http://spotcrime.com/ca/los%20angeles
jmho


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on August 18, 2009, 03:04:51 PM
Anything is possible I suppose.. He does not appear to be an violent abductor..
He makes contact.. He offers money and she gets on her scooter and leaves..
He does not chase after her.

Is he from Cuba or Colombia by chance ???

 
 
I agree it does not fit with speculation with what is believed to have happened with Amber.  However, I'm curious none the less.  Especially with the Detailer job.  Being held on $150,000 bond for attempted abduction, is that normal? 

It says "Mexican-Latin American" http://www.ocsd.org/whosinjail?IDX=whosinjail&FormAction=BookingNo&BookingNo=2529819
I'm not sure what that means.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on August 18, 2009, 03:12:15 PM
According to Irvine police Lt. John Hare, a 16-year-old girl contacted Irvine police in May to report Canchola had contacted her, but his "bizarre behavior" worried her. The case is still under investigation, Hare said.

How had Canchola contacted this 16 yr old?  By cell phone, myspace?  Odd.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 19, 2009, 02:04:15 PM
The Associated Press
3:26 p.m. August 4, 2009
WHITTIER, Calif. — Authorities say a Bellflower woman survived having her throat slashed and was able to describe her attackers, leading to three arrests.
Jason Zuhlke of the Whittier Police Department says the 20-year-old woman was left for dead early Tuesday in the Turnbull Canyon area.
Nearby residents discovered the woman screaming, with a four-inch cut across her neck. Zuhlke says she underwent surgery and is listed in critical condition.
Her descriptions led to the arrests of Vincent Mendoza, 21, Edward Meraz, 24, and Jose Ayala, 27, all of El Monte. They were booked on suspicion of attempted murder and kidnapping.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/aug/04/ca-socal-throat-slashed-080409/?california%20&%20the%20west


Hispanic Teen on Teen attacks


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on August 19, 2009, 03:47:08 PM
Dog teams join search for missing teen Amber Dubois
By Debbi Baker
Union-Tribune Staff Writer
8:42 a.m. August 19, 2009


ESCONDIDO – Two specialized dog teams based in Virginia are in the North County this morning to renew a search for missing teenager Amber Dubois who vanished more than six months ago.

The 14-year-old was last seen Feb. 13 about 7:10 a.m. while walking to Escondido High School with a tall teenager who has never been identified. Despite widespread publicity and numerous searches, no trace of the girl has been found.

The dogs belong to the VK9 Scent Specific Search and Recovery Unit, a nonprofit organization, said Sarah Platts who is the officer in charge of the group. They arrived with their handlers at Lindbergh Field about 10 p.m. Tuesday.

The canines, a 5-year-old yellow Labrador retriever named Quincy and an 8-year-old German shorthaired pointer named Jack, are trained to follow the odor of a specific person to the exclusion of all others and are often deployed on cases that have gone cold, Platts said.

On Wednesday, the dogs will be searching in areas Platt declined to specify and will have a dual purpose - to confirm whether Amber was actually at any of the places she may have been sighted and to develop new leads - “ideas perhaps they never thought of,” Platts said.

The team will be in Escondido until Saturday, Platts said.

The VK9 SSSAR Unit is conducting the search at no charge to the family in return for reimbursement for travel expenses, Platts said.

They teams support law enforcement and assist in criminal and missing persons cases and also work with emergency management agencies across the country.
Debbi Baker: (619) 293-1710;
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/aug/19/bn19amber-dubois-dog-missing/?metro&zIndex=151891


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 19, 2009, 03:51:48 PM
I hope Quincy and Jack are successful.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on August 19, 2009, 06:13:13 PM
I hope Quincy and Jack are successful.

Edward - if I am remembering correctly, you had a couple of places that your experience led you to think should be searched.  I hope that the family will consider those locations.   Are they aware of your suggestions?  Sure hope they are.

Chi-M




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 19, 2009, 08:57:31 PM
Hi chi-monkey


I always hope that somebody is reading and taking notes..  :smt024

But it is just my opinion. I could be wrong..  :smt104

Yes, I have area to the North..
Based on a cell tower and one attempt to call that number.
As well as few other factors that support that direction of travel.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on August 19, 2009, 09:34:24 PM
Hi chi-monkey


I always hope that somebody is reading and taking notes..  :smt024

But it is just my opinion. I could be wrong..  :smt104

Yes, I have area to the North..
Based on a cell tower and one attempt to call that number.
As well as few other factors that support that direction of travel.




Oh yes, I pay close attention to your posts because I know you have the knowledge and experience to back-up your statements.   Now taking notes?  Not so much. ::MonkeyRoll::





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on August 20, 2009, 12:09:43 PM
Amber's Father Moe Dubois was on Voices for Justice yesterday.  I missed it as it is PST and too late for me but you can listen to it if you want here: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/helpingheroes/2009/08/20/KIDNAPPED-part-2

Along with Josh Ducket, Brittanee Drexel's father (although I'm not sure if it is her father or step father), Adji Desir's father was at work and could not be there.  Warning:  it is Michelle Bart hosting ::MonkeyDevil2::



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on August 20, 2009, 12:36:37 PM
OK, I bit the bullet and listened.  Moe said that they are waiting for FBI report on red truck any day with exact make and model.  That is really the only good lead that they have right now.  I'm not sure if this was live or recorded.  What has taken so long I do not know.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 20, 2009, 01:15:20 PM
Any day with the F.B.I. ?  weeks, months, years...

 



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on August 20, 2009, 05:50:17 PM
OH you know I hate to post this link, but I'm going to anyway.

There's a really good picture of Amber feeding a bird and some personal information on Amber, fav color, books, etc.

http://www.helpingheroes.net/images/Amber_Dubois_-_EPK.pdf

It takes a long time to load, may be my computer though.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 21, 2009, 04:48:01 PM
I am attempting to sub catagorize the thread..
I am prolly not the right person to do that as the art of organization escapes me most of the time.. ::MonkeyJnBox::

But If anyone wants to help please do..  ::MonkeyCheer3::
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 21, 2009, 05:13:20 PM
One more user comment... Take it or leave it.. jmho

just me
Tuesday, March 17, 2009I do not want to bring false hope however, I do want to help Amber get home. I'm sure I sound crazy and maybe I am, but I could not let it go. Last night a friend of mine, out of the blue, said "I drove by a sign with Amber Dubois name on it and I experienced something really strange". He continued on to say that Amber was taken by someone she knew, not personally, but someone she saw everyday either driving by , or someone that maybe used to wave to her all the time, he offered to get her stoned. My friend seems to think Amber liked to smoke pot. He said that is why she got in this mans car on her own free will. He said Amber was taken to a house near the school on a street called Nina. The house is coral color with white trim and it has dividers on the window. There is a dark green or dark blue older style truck sitting at or near the house. I have never been in that area but I drove there tonight. I could not see the house colors well because it was dark, but as I drove down nina there was a house with dividers in the window and outside on the street was a green older style truck. In the driveway was a dark blue older style truck. I called and told him about what I saw on the street and asked him if he were bullshitting or not. He said "I've never been on that street". he stated it just came to him and it was so overwhelming, he thinks the police should hit every house on that street at 5am and search for Amber or evidence of her. The mind is a powerful thing and can often play tricks on us, but like I said I could not let it go. I think my friend is psychic, but I know there has been many cases solved by psychics. If that were my daughter I would of had a psychic involved immediately. The police didn't handle that other missing girls case very well. The one where they arrested the brother and his friend and let them sit in juvenile hall forever without looking into other leads. Anyway, I do not know Amber or her family. I never heard of her until news broke she was missing. Now I may never forget her. I pray she is found.

http://www.cbs8.com/global/story.asp?s=10012681

This is a map of that street mentioned.. and it has a street view on the map so you can look up and down the street.
I agree with one thing... The Human mind is a very powerful thing... So who knows, anything is possible..
http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIC_enUS317US317&q=nina+drive++escondido


Did anyone ever check this out ???????


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on August 22, 2009, 01:02:20 AM
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_d0bf021d-9b92-5505-9ea0-280244617d2e.html

the North County Times | Posted: Friday, August 21, 2009 4:45 pm

ESCONDIDO ---- No significant breaks in the search for missing teen Amber Dubois were reported Friday, two days after specialized search dogs began scouring a local area looking for any trace of the 14-year-old girl.

The dogs, said by their handlers to be able to track the scent of a person missing for weeks or even months, are part of VK9 Scent Specific Search Recovery of Brewer, Maine.

Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter said Friday morning that a police canine officer was shadowing the dogs, Quincy, a Labrador retriever, and Jack, a German short haired pointer, and their handlers.

Carter said, however, there was nothing significant to report at that time. He could not be reached Friday afternoon.

Moe Dubois, Amber's father, said he understood the dogs had been helpful though, following the suggestion of local police, he said he could not elaborate on the search.

The Escondido High School freshman was last seen at about 7:10 a.m. Feb. 13 walking to the school on North Broadway.

Anyone with information about Amber's disappearance is urged to call Escondido police at 760-743-8477.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on August 25, 2009, 03:05:15 PM
I did notice that Amber's web site has been completely updated with new information.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on August 26, 2009, 10:20:10 PM
I did notice that Amber's web site has been completely updated with new information.


www.amberleeannedubois.com


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: klaasend on August 27, 2009, 09:12:17 PM
Just a note.  A freind of ours that lives in the Amber's general area said that there are still MP posters all over the place and he was very much aware of Amber missing. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Sister on August 31, 2009, 05:21:33 PM
Praying for Amber.

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/praying.jpg)



bumped


Title: private message
Post by: AmbersMom on September 01, 2009, 12:54:56 AM
How do I send a private message to admin?


There are no pm's at Scared Monkeys but the admin Klaasend can be reached at smklaas@hotmail.com.  I've also sent her a message that you are trying to contact her.  Muffy


Title: Re: private message
Post by: Sister on September 01, 2009, 01:36:36 AM
How do I send a private message to admin?

The only way I know is to report me.  You can't report yourself.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: klaasend on September 01, 2009, 10:25:29 AM
I did notice that Amber's web site has been completely updated with new information.


www.amberleeannedubois.com

I saw this on the Amber website link:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/AmberGolf.jpg)





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on September 01, 2009, 10:51:46 AM
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_afe1b003-c4ac-5e9c-85e6-e0b90bee9f8c.html

Home / News / Local News / Escondido
REGION: Vigil to mark 200th day since teen disappeared

the North County Times | Posted: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:20 pm | No Comments Posted

A vigil marking the 200th day since Escondido teen Amber Dubois disappeared will be held in San Diego at 7 p.m. Tuesday, the teen's family said.

Dubois was last seen Feb. 13 at 7:10 a.m., walking on North Broadway on her way to class at Escondido High School. Her family believes she was abducted by a stranger, though police have found no evidence to prove what happened to the bookish 14-year-old girl.

Despite help from private investigators, highly-trained search dogs and a team of police detectives, no trace of the teen has been found in six months.

The vigil will be held to discuss ongoing search efforts, upcoming fundraisers and ways the public can help search for Amber, according to a news release distributed by the family.

The vigil will be held at Cafe Coyote, 2461 San Diego Ave. in the Old Town neighborhood of San Diego. Ten percent of participants' food purchases will be donated to the search efforts for Amber. The family asks that you notify your server that you are there for the vigil.

More information about Amber Dubois is available at www.bringamberhome.com.

Anyone with information about the teen's disappearance is asked to call Escondido police at 760-743-8477


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on September 01, 2009, 06:43:58 PM
Oakley man arrested after sexual texts sent to teen
By Robert Salonga
Contra Costa Times
Posted: 09/01/2009 03:10:41 PM PDT


OAKLEY — A 48-year-old man suspected of sending sexually provocative text messages to a teenage girl was arrested after investigators posed as the girl and got him to meet them at a local school, police said.

A 15-year-old Oakley girl contacted police about 9 p.m. Saturday after telling her mother that a family friend sent her a text message suggesting that he have sex with her and a female friend, also a minor.

A police sergeant then used the cell phone to have a text exchange with the man posing as the girl and arranging for a meeting at a local school at midnight, purportedly for sex, said Oakley police Chief Chris Thorsen. The man showed up and was arrested.

Mitchell Jepsen, of Oakley, was arrested on suspicion of soliciting a juvenile. He also was arrested on suspicion of DUI and drug possession after he was suspected of being under the influence of methamphetamine.

http://**/twitter/ci_13247111?nclick_check=1


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 01, 2009, 08:13:22 PM
I do have new hopes that Amber could/may be found alive..

That Stockholm syndrome appears to get a strong hold on a young mind pretty quick..

I have to keep an open mind on this one as Not One Thing of Amber's has ever been found and that phone was keyed up the next day.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 02, 2009, 01:01:53 PM
One of the problems is this...

5 Indian reservations wrap around Escondido California. IF Amber is held at a home in a basement on any of these Indian reservations Not One American, not even local Escondido police has any right to go in and search for her..
IF No other Indian reports it, then she could be in that basement forever.
Who ever allowed that Indian Nation Law to exist is Anti American. Anything from Little girls to Terrorist weapons could be held or stored on these lands..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on September 02, 2009, 02:15:29 PM
Here is the revised Flyer - thank you.

EDIT:  deleted per request as there is a newer updated version.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 02, 2009, 07:05:10 PM
listen to this..

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=9030437&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,545903,00.html?test=latestnews


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on September 02, 2009, 07:05:55 PM
CA man charged with kidnapping teen he met online

Wednesday, September 2, 2009

An 18-year-old California man has been charged with kidnapping a 15-year-old Idaho girl after police say the two met on a social networking site and he got her to move in with him.

Misael (mis-AY'-el) G. Juarez of Oceano, Calif., is being held in the Ada County Jail on a charge of second-degree kidnapping.

Police say Juarez met the Boise girl on MySpace earlier this summer and got her to move into his residence in California. They say the girl was reported as a runaway to Boise police on June 4 and was found at Juarez's home on June 17.

Juarez was extradited to Boise this week.

Police didn't say how the girl got to California, and it was unknown if Juarez had an attorney.

The charge of second-degree kidnapping is punishable by up to 25 years in prison, with a one-year mandatory minimum.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/09/02/state/n144932D32.DTL&tsp=1


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 02, 2009, 07:30:53 PM
Good find northern rose..
Many many of these cases have Hispanic males involved.

That is very important to consider in Ambers case..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 02, 2009, 08:27:18 PM
Did you see the comments by people that read sfgate  NorthernRose?

People seem to think that since she left Idaho on her own to move in with this fellow there should not be a kidnapping charge .. and some think there should be No charges against him.

She is 15 years old for christ sakes...
I think MEN need to understand that if you pick up on a child you are going to jail...



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: MuffyBee on September 02, 2009, 09:59:47 PM
Did you see the comments by people that read sfgate  NorthernRose?

People seem to think that since she left Idaho on her own to move in with this fellow there should not be a kidnapping charge .. and some think there should be No charges against him.

She is 15 years old for christ sakes...
I think MEN need to understand that if you pick up on a child you are going to jail...



(bolded by me)
I agree with you Edward. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on September 03, 2009, 01:15:22 AM
One of the problems is this...

5 Indian reservations wrap around Escondido California. IF Amber is held at a home in a basement on any of these Indian reservations Not One American, not even local Escondido police has any right to go in and search for her..
IF No other Indian reports it, then she could be in that basement forever.
Who ever allowed that Indian Nation Law to exist is Anti American. Anything from Little girls to Terrorist weapons could be held or stored on these lands..
::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2::
Hi All,
I am so glad that I am a monkey! Thank you so much Klaas for allowing me to join! I have spoken to Carrie recently and she is waiting to hear about any possible leads that may have been developed by the search dogs. As you can imagine, the waiting is extremely hard on her. I am really interested in this post Edward as I live in the area. What jurisdiction would the Feds have on an Indian Reservation with regards to any missing child that is not Native American? I know that they changed some laws due to the high numbers of sex offensives that do happen on Indian Reservations. It is my understanding that on the average, one in 5 people are victims of sexual offenses, but on Indian Reservations, that number is closer to 1 in 3.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 03, 2009, 02:56:25 AM
Welcome sebastian  :2waver:


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 03, 2009, 10:58:20 AM
An Indian reservation is an area of land managed by a Native American tribe under the United States Department of the Interior's Bureau of Indian Affairs. Because Native American tribes have limited national sovereignty, laws on tribal lands vary from the surrounding area. These laws can permit legal casinos on reservations, which attract tourists.

The tribal council, not the local or federal government, has jurisdiction over reservations. Different reservations have different systems of government, which may or may not replicate the forms of government found outside the reservation. Some Indian reservations were laid out by the federal government; others were outlined by the states.

The word Jurisdiction means "power"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_reservation


On the other side of that coin..

Congress was first confronted with the issue of sex offender registration following an incident at a BIA Indian school on the Hopi reservation after a BIA school teacher was convicted of molesting 142 Indian boys during a six-year period in the 1980s. The case, which resulted in a criminal conviction and a $50 million civil settlement, left a scar on the national consciousness. Despite this history, Congress all but ignored the needs of Indian victims and Indian tribes when it enacted the Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act as part of the Adam Walsh Act, mandating sex offender registration nationally.


“Indian women suffer two and a half times more domestic violence, three and a half times more sexual assaults, and 17 percent will be stalked — and I’m a victim of all three,” said Pauline Musgrove, executive director of the Spirits of Hope Coalition, an advocacy group in Oklahoma.

Alaska has the highest incidence of forcible rapes of all women, the report said, and Native Alaskans in Anchorage were nearly 10 times more likely to be victims of sexual assault than non-natives. Oklahoma’s 401,000 American Indians (according to 2005 Census estimates that include people listing mixed racial heritages) share 39 tribal governments and a patchwork of Indian and non-Indian lands; there are no reservations in Oklahoma, which is second only to California in its Indian population.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/25/us/25rape.html?_r=1


Also it appears that the Federal Marshall can go and investigate crime on Indian land when instructed to do so by the Federal district attorneys office.



A little-noticed provision in a 2006 federal sex-offender law is rankling American Indian tribes in six states because it would give state law enforcers unprecedented authority to monitor child molesters living on tribal land.
Tribal officials are raising objections because they see the provision as an erosion of their sovereignty, and they argue they weren’t consulted when Congress drafted the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act, which overhauls how sex offenders across the country are registered and tracked.

“It’s kind of like us calling France and telling them what to do,” said Kristen Anderson, who has analyzed the Adam Walsh Act as deputy director for case analysis and support with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, a quasi-governmental organization that seeks to prevent sexual abuse of children.
http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=309820

(http://www.stateline.org/live/digitalAssets/12710_States_Tribes.gif)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on September 03, 2009, 11:41:14 AM
Thank you so much Edward! It is good to know that the Federal Marshall can go on their land if ever there was a need. I would imagine it would take quite a while to get through all of the red tape.  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 03, 2009, 01:18:16 PM
What is interesting is the last part of that research where the Walsh law gives the states the right to go look at convicted sex offenders..anywhere in the united states..
That means that ANY sex offender living on Indian land can be rousted and his property searched by parole or probation officers at anytime.
Now that this case of the girl held for 18 years should put an explanation point on that kind of search..!!
That would be the trick for searching reservations around Escondido.


For all I know all reservation land has already been searched.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on September 03, 2009, 02:43:44 PM
Did you see the comments by people that read sfgate  NorthernRose?

People seem to think that since she left Idaho on her own to move in with this fellow there should not be a kidnapping charge .. and some think there should be No charges against him.

She is 15 years old for christ sakes...
I think MEN need to understand that if you pick up on a child you are going to jail...



I saw and was disgusted.  She is 15, not an adult, was lured and coerced as far as I am concerned.  He needs to put in general pop with a few big men who have 15 year old daughters of their own.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on September 03, 2009, 02:45:18 PM
 ::MonkeyCheer2::  WELCOME sebastian   ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 03, 2009, 03:12:45 PM
Did you see the comments by people that read sfgate  NorthernRose?

People seem to think that since she left Idaho on her own to move in with this fellow there should not be a kidnapping charge .. and some think there should be No charges against him.

She is 15 years old for Christ sakes...
I think MEN need to understand that if you pick up on a child you are going to jail...



I saw and was disgusted.  She is 15, not an adult, was lured and coerced as far as I am concerned.  He needs to put in general pop with a few big men who have 15 year old daughters of their own.


Last night I did read that again.. I do not know why I missed it the first time.. HE is only 18

They are only 3 years apart. and they are both kids..

Is 18 the age we cut off there nuts ??  His life would be ruined forever..
I would rather that somebody would set an age of allowance... She did leave of her own accord..There apparently was no kidnap involved of any kind.. I do not like prosecutors doing things like that.

What do you think ?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on September 03, 2009, 03:38:07 PM
::MonkeyCheer2::  WELCOME sebastian   ::MonkeyCheer2::
Thank you Northern Rose! I was just wondering if anyone else saw the tape of the truck in question at the high school. I get the feeling that there may have been more to that tape than what we saw. It just did not seem complete to me for some reason.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 03, 2009, 04:10:04 PM
Sebastian yes in this thread you will find all the various news videos and photos with comparison.. There is 65 pages in Amber's thread which has a great deal of research for you to read. I do think we were only allowed a small piece of that footage for possible vehicle identification.
jmho


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on September 03, 2009, 10:20:52 PM
Sebastian yes in this thread you will find all the various news videos and photos with comparison.. There is 65 pages in Amber's thread which has a great deal of research for you to read. I do think we were only allowed a small piece of that footage for possible vehicle identification.
jmho

Hi Edward,
I have read the majority of the posts. I was just wondering if there was more to the video that the police did not disclose. I also have read your suspect list and the guys in Poway were on my mind as well. I wonder if they let the other girl go because she was not what they wanted and she was basically a practice run. It does seem as if a lot of the suspects in California are hispanic. It makes you wonder if there may be some reverse trafficking going on. I have compiled many lists of missing girls and they never really amount to much of anything in relation to Amber. The only thing that I can see with any sort of pattern are the girls that went missing in Northern California in the 80's. Would a SO wait 20 years?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on September 03, 2009, 10:37:46 PM
Hmmmm, interesting info Sebastian & Welcome to SM.  A SO would wait 20 yrs if he was in prison.  I agree that the tape of the truck is a partial or edited.  Wish they would find something....


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on September 03, 2009, 11:47:15 PM
Hmmmm, interesting info Sebastian & Welcome to SM.  A SO would wait 20 yrs if he was in prison.  I agree that the tape of the truck is a partial or edited.  Wish they would find something....

Hi Lovinlife,
Thank you for the welcome. I am so happy to be here! ::cartwheel:: I wish they had found something on the other missing Northern California girls. Oddly enough, one of the girls on my list was Jaycee Dugard. It makes a lot of sense if someone did go to prison and then got out. The only other thing is that it has been 6 months since Amber disappeared and as far as I know, she is the only one in the area to go missing that was not some sort of family abduction. There have been a few supposed run aways in her age range but I cannot find much information at all on those girls.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 04, 2009, 01:29:18 AM
Sebastian yes in this thread you will find all the various news videos and photos with comparison.. There is 65 pages in Amber's thread which has a great deal of research for you to read. I do think we were only allowed a small piece of that footage for possible vehicle identification.
jmho

Hi Edward,
I have read the majority of the posts. I was just wondering if there was more to the video that the police did not disclose. I also have read your suspect list and the guys in Poway were on my mind as well. I wonder if they let the other girl go because she was not what they wanted and she was basically a practice run. It does seem as if a lot of the suspects in California are hispanic. It makes you wonder if there may be some reverse trafficking going on. I have compiled many lists of missing girls and they never really amount to much of anything in relation to Amber. The only thing that I can see with any sort of pattern are the girls that went missing in Northern California in the 80's. Would a SO wait 20 years?


I do think there is more to the video..
 When those guys let the girl go I wondered if they had some form of police scanner.. or they did not know her age and when they found out they decided to let her go.
Being a SO is a lifetime event. I do not think there is a cure..
I believe that Any Anti Social behavior is intermittent.. I think they hide the evil side well.
I think there are many sociopath people with different levels of behavior problems. 
Although there is no stranger abductions in Escondido I have narrowed down the various attacks around the area and I have been giving it a lot of consideration that the attempted abduction in Redondo Beach as well as a kidnap of a bartender who's body was found just east of san bernadino as well as the little 3 year old boy all have the same 2 males involved..
Although Amber is missing just a little bit south, it would be on the way to san bernadino along 15 as if they were coming from the direction of Mexico..

yes they are trained by some drug lord in Mexico, they have become professionals by practicing there learned art of abduction as practice makes perfect.. Americans have no clue as to what is going on here..
 As far as the hispanic involvment in these attempted and actual abduction is alarming.
Machismo is a practice of hispanic cultures .. These people are targeting children..
Why havent the cops caught the walmart molester yet ?? They have perfect images of him and his pick up
He was practicing too.
jmho

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: EverySunset on September 04, 2009, 02:09:58 PM
I wish they would catch that freak, Edward. I found SO many cases of "Walmart molesters" when I did the search. I don't like shopping at Walmart, but I would gladly shop there every day, if I could catch one of these freaks while they are molesting a child. I would gladly go ballistic & go to jail. This all just makes me so nuts. I am terrified for Amber and hoping she can come home safe.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 06, 2009, 07:05:27 PM
So where is Amber ?

Looks like, They are just looking for money now..

mo.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on September 06, 2009, 09:07:46 PM
So where is Amber ?

Looks like, They are just looking for money now..

mo.

I sadly agree Edward.  LE gives no information, no one will answer questions, and ideas are not welcome.   Just send money.      (JMO)



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on September 08, 2009, 03:07:06 AM
So where is Amber ?

Looks like, They are just looking for money now..

mo.

Are you referring to Amber's family? They have done so much with regards to searching for Amber. They have hired 2 private investigators, they have vigils constantly, searches constantly, flyer distributions constantly. Amber's mom Carrie has even gone to Washington to help look for Lindsey Baum. I am local to the Amber Dubois case so I know how much the family does. What questions are the family not answering? The last I heard, Amber's mom is waiting to hear if any leads came from the last search dogs that were brought in. I think about Amber daily and I have never even met her. I cannot even begin to imagine what the family is going through.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on September 08, 2009, 10:51:19 AM
Welcome sebastian.  It's good to see some new posters here.   Hope you can add ideas to the discussion.  Remember if we just keep on doing what we have been doing, the result will probably be the same.     

Chi-M


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on September 08, 2009, 06:24:49 PM
So where is Amber ?

Looks like, They are just looking for money now..

mo.

Hi Edward,
I wish you would explain this post. Are you having bad feelings about the family? If so, why? It has been over 6 months so I think any conversation is good conversation.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on September 08, 2009, 06:26:45 PM
Welcome sebastian.  It's good to see some new posters here.   Hope you can add ideas to the discussion.  Remember if we just keep on doing what we have been doing, the result will probably be the same.     

Chi-M

Hi Chi-M!
Thank you so much for the welcome! Maybe we can look at this from a different angle. Carrie has not ruled out the possibility that Amber may gotten into the truck if someone told her that there was something wrong with a family member. But who?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on September 08, 2009, 10:23:36 PM
Welcome sebastian.  It's good to see some new posters here.   Hope you can add ideas to the discussion.  Remember if we just keep on doing what we have been doing, the result will probably be the same.     

Chi-M

Hi Chi-M!
Thank you so much for the welcome! Maybe we can look at this from a different angle. Carrie has not ruled out the possibility that Amber may gotten into the truck if someone told her that there was something wrong with a family member. But who?


Maybe she would not get in with a complete stranger, but someone she knew on sight and had reason to trust?  Neighbors, coworkers of family members, household and yard help?   Authority figures such as teachers, security guards, church friends, relatives of her school friends, etc.   Only Amber's family can look at these possibilities and I really hope they have done so.   This idea at least offers hope that she is alive and held in some  basement.    As we have seen with Jaycee, there is still hope for her return.

 Thanks for getting this discussion going again.   ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on September 08, 2009, 11:00:39 PM
I went to a couple of vigils. The first vigil that I went to, there were a couple of people who "might" have been LE. The second vigil that I went to, there were several people that definately looked liked LE. They were walking around, chatting amongst themselves, not hiding the fact that they were LE. It made me hopeful that maybe they finally had something. Now nothing! Silence again! It is so frustrating. I have to be careful about what I disclose on the off chance that someone in the family or close to the family is on the right track. I can however tell you that Carrie is always out looking. There was a possibility of something that Edward brought up a while back and I know she followed up on that. I know she is in constant contact with LE asking if they have ANYTHING! I cannot tell you how many trucks in this area fit the description of the truck in the video. I guess I never noticed until I actually started looking. For some reason I have always thought that Amber is still alive and in a rural area somewhere. I think part of that is because the statistics for missing girls her age almost always end well, not in death. The cell phone ping was in North Broadway and that is a rural area. Since I live local, does anyone have any questions about the area?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 09, 2009, 11:17:05 AM
I need to know what has been checked out so I can take it off the list...

Carrie can email me that info at any time..
e.blair@prodigy.net

It is frustrating to do research and not know true/false

I wish I could have made a trip down to search out my research areas north of Escondido.. Then I would know without bothering the family. Like everyone I really have no idea where she is. I look for other crimes committed in the area and seek patterns of behavior to find clues. I also use other factors like cultural beliefs for patterns in humans..

 I always believe "ALIVE" but that belief is always tempered by people that we research and are found.

 Just like the very recent case of the 18 year old in Utah who supposedly went to camp out with the wolves, she was found by people out for a hike. Professionals had been all over that area looking for her and missed her.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5909.0
LE believe she committed suicide. Not one mention of severe depression from her family.. Apparently there was some.
I could see in the beginning of that story that we are not dealing with an average missing person in the woods..
You just never know what we are going to find and you can't put all your trust in the professionals as they are only humans doing the best they can. You can never say of I searched all that area in a place like Escondido. That is an impossible thing to do. You can't put all your trust in a Dog.

I was not on the search for the Sund family as the F.B.I. was on the job.. The F.B.I. by the way, failed.
They did not find the perp even though they had interviewed him, he later turned himself in.
 
 One of my friends did do the search for the missing Yosemite ranger in that case.. He is on a professional SAR team and they did have dogs and they all walked right past the ranger woman who was only a couple hundred yards from a cabin.. They missed her. She was found later on a second search of the area.

I am not a professional but I am a qualified and intelligent Concerned American Citizen who is willing to spend many hours in research in hopes that it may help. I have been correct many times before.
I am not saying I know what has happened to Amber but from the beginning of this I have had a strange feeling..
These kids these days ... there is a lot going on in their minds and in there social groups.. Then there is also the bad people who do in fact exist among all of us.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on September 09, 2009, 11:41:10 AM
Edward....   See I am not the only one reading and taking notes.  I am so glad that C followed up, but why not let you know.  How can we move forward without feedback?    Maybe if we were "gifted psychics" we would know.

Chi-M



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: AmbersMom on September 11, 2009, 05:43:15 AM
Edward I can not believe you did not post after we talked! Shame on you! ::MonkeyConfused::
Monkeys, I'm going to try to post more often, the last thing I want is to see Ambers story go cold. I wonder if a new thread could be opened for questions only, it would help so much. I will post tomorrow,,falln asleep..Carrie


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on September 11, 2009, 04:56:07 PM
Edward I can not believe you did not post after we talked! Shame on you! ::MonkeyConfused::
Monkeys, I'm going to try to post more often, the last thing I want is to see Ambers story go cold. I wonder if a new thread could be opened for questions only, it would help so much. I will post tomorrow,,falln asleep..Carrie

Poor Edward is probably overwhelmed, lol! I am not sure how to open a new thread. Anyone?

I'll open a thread for questions only.   :smt045


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: MuffyBee on September 12, 2009, 07:51:12 PM
Edward I can not believe you did not post after we talked! Shame on you! ::MonkeyConfused::
Monkeys, I'm going to try to post more often, the last thing I want is to see Ambers story go cold. I wonder if a new thread could be opened for questions only, it would help so much. I will post tomorrow,,falln asleep..Carrie

I would be happy to open a thread for questions only.  Get some rest, and hope to see you soon.  And we don't want the case to go cold either.  It's time for Amber to come home.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 14, 2009, 03:06:11 AM
Hi Ambersmom,
I just got back from a weekend class.. 
 a weekend of leadership training for the boys scouts.. ::MonkeyFootball::

it went Friday 6.a.m. until Sunday at 6 this evening.... I left the computer at home.
 
Ambersmom, Thank You so much for talking with me and, I know I hit you with a million questions. I am so apologetic.
 

As I was talking to you I was able to get most of the answers for the questions I had ..

What I can do is read all the posts on all the pages that I made comment and re-post them here ?



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on September 14, 2009, 01:04:20 PM
There was a really good turnout for Amber's vigil last night at the high school. There were several news crews there and Amber's case is still getting the much needed exposure. The vigil was on all of our local news stations last night. Praying for Amber! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 14, 2009, 01:38:15 PM
ESCONDIDO, Calif. - The family of missing teen Amber DuBois, 14, lashed out Sunday evening at the Escondido Police Department. The family claimed the police aren't doing enough to find Amber and haven't done a good job of following up on leads. Amber's mom Carrie McGonigle said she wants a fresh pair of eyes to look over the case and wants a private investigator brought in to look at the facts.

"I just don't think that they know the technology out there, and I don't think they have the manpower to follow through with the tips," McGonigle said of the Escondido police officers involved with the search.

Amber DuBois disappeared in February. She was last seen at Escondido High School. Amber's parents held a candlelight vigil outside the High School on Sunday evening. They claim a tip came in on August 26 that said Amber was spotted and the evidence was caught on surveillance footage. Amber's parents told reporters the tip wasn't properly investigated by police and the surveillance video was recorded over. Amber's mom declined to say where her daughter may have been spotted.

"I would think that a sighting on a video surveillance tape would be something that they would call right away on," she said.

The Escondido Police Department fired back Sunday in a written statement:

"We understand that the Dubois Family is planning to hold a press conference tonight regarding concerns over how the Escondido Police Department has investigated the case of their missing daughter, Amber Dubois. We want the public to know that we continue to have investigators working full time on this case which include detectives from the Escondido Police Department, agents from the FBI, and employees from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children as well as countless many other resources to help find Amber. Because the case is still open, we are not liberty to discuss current work being performed but it has encompassed interviews of over 500 individuals, served over 50 judicial subpoenas and the follow up of over one thousand tips. This has been one of the most extensive investigations handled by our department and also frustrates us that despite the amount of time and resources we have yet to find Amber. However we will continue to investigate this case and will remain vigilant."

Lt. Robert Benton Public Information Officer Escondido Police Department

Amber's father, Maurice DuBois, closed the candlelight vigil by saying the family doesn't want to spend another holiday with Amber. They believe she is alive and being held against her will.

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/kwsb-amber-frustration,0,978536.story?track=rss

Video also at this link..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 14, 2009, 01:52:15 PM
ESCONDIDO - For the first time since 14-year-old Amber Dubois went missing seven months ago, her family is criticizing Escondido police, saying not enough is being done to fine her.

"Our daughter is not getting what she needs to be recovered," Amber's father, Moe Dubois, said at a Sunday night prayer vigil at Escondido High School, where Amber was last seen before school on Feb. 13.

The family said police failed to act quickly on a tip received Aug. 24 from someone who may have seen Amber at a business, and the business' surveillance video has since been erased. The family also alleges that police failed to respond in timely fashion after tracking dogs brought to the region by the family last month picked up her scent.

In a statement released prior to Sunday's prayer vigil, Escondido police Lt. Robert Benton said, "We want the public to know that we continue to have investigators working full time on this case, which include detectives from the Escondido Police Department, agents from the FBI and employees from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, as well as countless many other resources to help find Amber."

Benton also said the case is one of the most extensive investigations ever handled by his department.

"(It) also frustrates us that despite the amount of time and resources, we have yet to find Amber," Benton said. "However, we will continue to investigate this case and will remain vigilant."

Escondido police have interviewed more than 500 people and served more than 50 judicial subpoenas, including ones for computers used by Amber prior to her disappearance. The department also has followed up on more than 1,000 tips, Benton said.

Amber's case is classified as a missing person investigation because police do not know if she ran away or was kidnapped. Friends and family have described her as a studious, well-behaved adolescent who loves her home and her family and has no history of running away.

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Amber-Dubois-family-Escondido-police/BtTiV9LcQ0emOzgIZvyrOA.cspx?rss=800


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on September 14, 2009, 03:38:03 PM
After 7 months of frustration, Carrie and Moe broke their silence about LE. It was so sad and very emotional. When Moe started crying, it was very hard for all. They do not want Amber to end up like Jaycee Dugard. 18 years!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 16, 2009, 08:42:01 PM
I was just sleuthing around and came across this item..
It is probobly nothing but it needs to be checked out. Most likely a coinincedence.



Published: Wednesday, September 16, 2009
Nashua police department N.H.

aug. 29

ARRESTS/SUMMONSES

Melissa Ann Butler, 31, 3 Wilder St., No. 2, Nashua, shoplifting.

Michael J. Spano, 40, 53 Kinsley St., No. 4, Nashua, violation of protective order – penalty.

Amy W. Barron, 37, 11 Tiffany Lane, Andover, Mass., violation of protective order.

Scott Anderson, 52, 522 Candlewood Park, Nashua, driving while intoxicated.

aug. 30

ARRESTS/SUMMONSES

Ernest Lefebvre, 17, 23-1/2 Gillis St., Nashua, armed robbery.

Patrick Bellino, 20, 63B Caldwell Road, Nashua, armed robbery.

Angelica Salas, 19, 4-1/2 McKean St., Nashua, driving while intoxicated.

Randi Gifford, 20, 167 W. Hollis St., Nashua, criminal liability for conduct of another.

Bonnie Umero, 42, 66 Walnut St., No. 1, Nashua, driver's license prohibitions, driving after revocation or suspension.

Amy Raymond, 18, 12 Pond View Circle, Hudson, shoplifting.

Melynee Saya, 17, 17 Pemberton Road, Nashua, shoplifting.

Caitlin Guyette, 17, 300 Greenfield Road, Peterborough, shoplifting.

Amanda Guptill, 17, 318 Route 123, Sharon, shoplifting.

Noel Ronald Pye, 48, 23 Temple St., No. 225, Nashua, simple assault – domestic violence.

Amber Dubois, 19, 38 Amherst St., Merrimack, shoplifting.

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090916/NEWS04/309169984



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 16, 2009, 08:43:32 PM
I prolly should have hit the spell checker before posting that last item.... oh well  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 16, 2009, 08:45:09 PM
www.nashuapd.com

Panther Dr
Nashua, NH 03062
(603) 594-3500


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 16, 2009, 08:52:11 PM
I have the police on the phone and having them check it.

I will have them contact Carrie.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on September 16, 2009, 09:03:55 PM
www.nashuapd.com

Panther Dr
Nashua, NH 03062
(603) 594-3500

Edward ~ good to see you.  I'm not understanding the NH connection.  Am I missing something?  I haven't read back and I'm behind.  Thank you for all that you do. TIA, Lovinlife


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 16, 2009, 09:15:00 PM
There was an Amber Dubois age 19 arrested for shop lifting in N.H. on August 31 2009

The arresting officer did not get a photo of her and she was released on her own..

It just needs to be checked out as Amber may have given her real name not even thinking about it...
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on September 16, 2009, 09:27:33 PM
There was an Amber Dubois age 19 arrested for shop lifting in N.H. on August 31 2009

The arresting officer did not get a photo of her and she was released on her own..

It just needs to be checked out as Amber may have given her real name not even thinking about it...
 

I totally missed that. ::MonkeyRoll:: tired eyes.  TY, Lovinlife


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on September 16, 2009, 10:28:44 PM
I don't know how to upload it, but on the press release section for the san diego sheriffs there is a document about an arrested of a child molester in fallbrook. He approached girls on the way to the school bus between 10-11. They found graphic photos on him with young girls undressing and in sexual acts. They believe he may have also lived in Escondido and San Marcos. (which is the city next to Escondido.) They also believe their are more victims out there. His name is Enrique Lopez Torres.

"Detectives from the San Diego County Sheriff’s Department, Fallbrook Substation, have arrested Enrique Lopez Torres for twenty-four (24) counts of Possession of Obscene Material (depicting a child under 18 years old), three (3) counts of Annoying/Molesting a Child, three (3) counts of Lewd Acts with a Child and one (1) count of False Imprisonment with Violence."

http://apps.sdsheriff.net/press/default.aspx


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on September 16, 2009, 11:24:26 PM
Thanks LLL!

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Many-Faces-of-a-Child-Molest-Suspect-59371807.html

Molest Suspect Targets Kids at School Bus Stop
By R. STICKNEY
Updated 1:30 PM PDT, Tue, Sep 15, 2009


Here's the definition of creepy: A 55-year old man talking to little girls who are waiting for the school bus and even holding one girl's hand.  That's what deputies say they saw while watching Enrique Lopez Torres.

A school bus driver called deputies after pulling up to a bus stop in Fallbrook on September 9 and seeing a little girl running to the bus crying. The 11-year old girl reported that a man had walked up to her while she was standing outside around 7 a.m. on Clemmens Lane. The man started talking to her and then held her hand, deputies said. When the bus arrived the man let the girl go.

So, the very next day, a detective drove to a bus stop on West Clemmens Lane at the same time and waited. He said he saw a man out in front of an apartment complex at 233 W. Clemmens Lane "watching and waving" at the little girls at the bus stop, according to deputies.

Deputies arrested Torres on charges of annoying and/or molesting a child. They were granted a search warrant for his home. Remember our creepy meter? Get ready.

(http://media.nbcsandiego.com/images/120*90/Fallbrook-Child-Molester-4x.jpg)

Detectives report finding Polaroid pictures on the suspect's night stand showing little girls between the ages of 10 and 15. Some of the girls are undressed and some are engaged in sex acts with the suspect, deputies said.

They re-booked Torres on 25 counts of child porn and three counts of lewd act with a child. Fearing there may be other victims, deputies released a number of booking photos of Torres over the last 10 years. He has lived in Downey, on Kellogg Drive in San Marcos and may have lived in Escondido.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on September 16, 2009, 11:33:38 PM
Here's another article on this scumbag:

http://www.thevillagenews.com/story/40617/

Sheriff's Dept. asks public's help in child molestation case

(http://www.thevillagenews.com/images/tn/09-17-09-front-Enrique%20Lopez%20Torres%20newer.jpg)
Courtesy photo.
Enrique Lopez Torres

Andrea Verdin
Staff Writer

Friday, September 11th, 2009.
Issue 37, Volume 13.

Story Last Updated : 35 hours ago.


The San Diego County Sheriff's Department is asking for the public's help in providing information relating to the arrest of a child molester who may have victims in Fallbrook, the Downey (Los Angeles) area, on Kellogg Drive in the City of San Marcos, and possibly in the City of Escondido.

In a story first published September 11 on the Village News Web site, www.thevillagenews.com, it was reported that a 55-year-old man was arrested on charges of annoying and molesting a child and possession of child pornography after harassing an 11-year-old Fallbrook girl on her way to school.

According to the victim, Enrique Lopez Torres was standing outside apartments located in the 200 block of West Clemmens Lane at approximately 7 a.m. on September 9, where she was waiting for her school bus.

In a crime report written by Sheriff’s Deputy Jason Smith, the witness stated Torres was “constantly standing outside of the apartments, staring and waving” at girls waiting at the elementary school bus stop. Torres allegedly engaged the victim in conversation then grabbed her hand without her permission or consent.

It was reported that during the conversation Torres told the girl how pretty she was and that “he would like to have her as a girlfriend.”

The victim tried to pull her hand away from Torres, but it wasn’t until the school bus and adults arrived on scene that the man let go of her hand.

In the report, an adult witness stated he saw what the man was doing to the young girl and could tell the girl was scared and trying to pull away.

When the bus driver saw the victim run onto the bus crying, the bus driver reported the incident to the Live Oak Elementary School principal, who called the Sheriff’s Department.

Detective Dan Laibach was assigned to the case on September 9. He then conducted surveillance of the area where the initial incident occurred.

At approximately 7 a.m. the next morning, Torres once again came out to the front of the apartment complex, watching and waving at girls at the bus stop.

Laibach called for a marked patrol unit to make contact with the suspect and observed Torres block the path of two young girls in order to talk with them.

Deputy James Emig Jr. responded to Laibach’s call and contacted Torres, who stated he was the manager of the apartment complex. Meanwhile, Laibach spoke to the two girls about Torres.

The girls, ages 10 and 11, said they were trying to walk to the bus stop when Torres confronted them, telling them that their friend was pretty.

Torres proceeded to ask them to apologize to the victim and tell her he was sorry for what he had said the day before. He then told the girls he would “wait to marry her and have babies with her when she was 16.”

According to the girls’ statements, Torres had invited them to “see his boat and he would give them things,” but both were afraid of Torres because they said he was always outside waving and trying to talk with them when they went to the bus stop.

When Deputy Emig questioned Torres, it was noted that the suspect was uncooperative. Torres refused to be photographed, said Laibach.

It wasn’t until Laibach gathered the information from the girls and told the suspect that he witnessed the crime in progress that Torres was arrested.

Torres was booked into the Vista Detention Facility for three counts of annoying and molesting a child and for false imprisonment of minor with violence.

Laibach obtained a search warrant for Torres’ residence. During the search, several Polaroid photographs were found next to Torres’ bed that depicted the suspect engaged in various sexual acts with minors.

The photos showed depicted females between the ages of 10 and 15 in various stages of dress and fully naked, engaged in sexual acts with the suspect and with other girls of the same age group.

Based upon the findings in the search warrant, Torres was re-booked for 25 separate counts of possession of child pornography and three counts of lewd acts with a child.

“If we find the victims in the photos, we can charge [Torres] with child molestation, but some of these photos look like they’re several years old,” said Laibach, who believes several more charges will be added as the investigation progresses.

“As we were conducting the apartment search, two other girls came up to me, telling me that [Torres] had grabbed them as well,” said Laibach.

Upon further investigation, Laibach found more child pornography on Torres’ camera phone. More charges will follow, said Laibach.

Torres is currently being held on $330,000 bail.

Anyone with information that may pertain to this case is asked to contact Detective Laibach at (760) 451-3100 or the Sheriff’s Communication Center at (858) 565-5200.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on September 17, 2009, 12:08:01 AM
I have the police on the phone and having them check it.

I will have them contact Carrie.

Hi Edward,
It will be interesting to see if LE ever even mentions this to Carrie. She was in New York for the Tyra Banks show on Amber. It will be aired in a couple of weeks. I am sure she is home by now but I could not reach her. This is not a common name for sure!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on September 17, 2009, 11:12:31 PM
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/sep/17/bn17amber-reward-fund/?northcounty

I so desperately pray that this helps bring my amazing niece home.  Thank you.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on September 18, 2009, 01:02:54 PM



BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on September 18, 2009, 01:05:55 PM
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/sep/17/bn17amber-reward-fund/?northcounty

I so desperately pray that this helps bring my amazing niece home.  Thank you.

Good for Arnie!  I am praying that something breaks soon.

Once the FBI updated their release they had talked about Amber's Irish ring.  I had asked Amber's Mom if she could share a picture of it and she said she would.  I know you have all been really busy but am still hoping we can see the exact ring.

Still praying for Amber and the family.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on September 18, 2009, 01:13:17 PM
Attempted Child Abductions In 2 Counties

Lawrence - Police in two counties are looking for a suspect who is trying to lure children into his truck.

Both the Lawrence and Westfield police departments say the man made the attempts on Wednesday.

A fifteen year old who lives in the Cobblestone at Geist subdivision told investigators the man only said four words to her, "get in the truck."

"I was going out to check the mail after getting off the bus and he pulled toward my driveway and ask me that question," the girl told FOX 59 News.

Her father says considering the recent revelations in California about a girl being held captive for 18 years their family is fortunate.

"Someone like that is probably trolling neighborhoods all the time, but it sounds like he didn't have any success here so he tried to find another neighborhood," Steve Baker said.

Baker's daughter was approached Wednesday after 3 pm and the case in Westfield was reported several hours later at a park.

"They sent us an email today saying yes we had a similar incident Wednesday night involving a red pickup truck in the parking lot," Sgt. Tom Ashcraft with the Lawrence Police Department said.

The suspect is described as a white man in his 40's or 50's.

The Lawrence teen says he's driving a red smaller-sized pickup truck with rust around the edges.

Police ask anyone with information to call 317-545-7575.

http://www.fox59.com/wxin-abduction-attempt-090509,0,3858453.story


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on September 18, 2009, 01:17:27 PM
Suspect sought after attempted abductionSunday, August 16, 2009

ANAHEIM, Calif. (KABC) -- Orange County Sheriff's deputies are asking for the public's help finding a man who tried to lure a 10-year-old girl into his car with cash.
Deputies said the incident happened around 3 p.m. Saturday behind an apartment complex on West Broadway in Anaheim. Investigators said the girl was on her scooter taking the trash out to a dumpster when the suspect pulled up in his car.

She told detectives that the man yelled out a name and asked if she knew the person. When she said 'no' the suspect drove to the end of the driveway and got out of the car, trying to convince the little girl to get in the car.
"He reached into his pocket, pulled out some cash, asked the young girl if she wanted some money to come inside the car and talk to him," said Jim Amormino of the Orange County Sheriff's Department.

The child was able to ride away from the suspect who drove off, but not before the girl's father got a good look at him and his car.
The vehicle is described as a newer model 4-door maroon Lexus with maroon interior and tinted windows. He also got a look at the license plate. The first six characters of the California license plate are 2VC945, with a missing seventh digit.
The suspect is described as a Hispanic male, 25 to 30 years old, around 5 foot 6 with a slender build and spiked hair.
Anyone with information about the man is asked to call the Sheriff's Department at (866) TIP-OCSD (847-6273).

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/orange_county&id=6968172


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on September 18, 2009, 09:18:23 PM
Suspect sought after attempted abductionSunday, August 16, 2009

ANAHEIM, Calif. (KABC) -- Orange County Sheriff's deputies are asking for the public's help finding a man who tried to lure a 10-year-old girl into his car with cash.
Deputies said the incident happened around 3 p.m. Saturday behind an apartment complex on West Broadway in Anaheim. Investigators said the girl was on her scooter taking the trash out to a dumpster when the suspect pulled up in his car.

She told detectives that the man yelled out a name and asked if she knew the person. When she said 'no' the suspect drove to the end of the driveway and got out of the car, trying to convince the little girl to get in the car.
"He reached into his pocket, pulled out some cash, asked the young girl if she wanted some money to come inside the car and talk to him," said Jim Amormino of the Orange County Sheriff's Department.

The child was able to ride away from the suspect who drove off, but not before the girl's father got a good look at him and his car.
The vehicle is described as a newer model 4-door maroon Lexus with maroon interior and tinted windows. He also got a look at the license plate. The first six characters of the California license plate are 2VC945, with a missing seventh digit.
The suspect is described as a Hispanic male, 25 to 30 years old, around 5 foot 6 with a slender build and spiked hair.
Anyone with information about the man is asked to call the Sheriff's Department at (866) TIP-OCSD (847-6273).

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/orange_county&id=6968172

Hi Northern Rose,
Geez, these creeps are EVERYWHERE! Anaheim is about an hour and a half from Escondido depending on traffic. I hope they catch this guy!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on September 23, 2009, 12:07:02 PM
Dugard surprise reunion adds urgency to Amber Dubois case

When 29-year-old Jaycee Dugard was reunited with family last month, Moe Dubois felt a rush of fear, anxiety and grief.

Dugard was kidnapped when she was 11, held captive, raped, and fathered two of her kidnapper’s children before the nearly two-decade old case came to an end.

“I don’t want Amber to suffer through something like that …” said Dubois, whose 14-year-old daughter Amber has been missing for more than seven months. “But our hope, our faith, won’t diminish until we find Amber.”

Since Dugard’s return, investigators have worked to piece together the details of the girl’s 18-year ordeal. And parents with missing children — like Dubois — have grappled with the mixed emotions a case like Dugard’s re-introduces.

On Sept. 13 — seven months after Amber went missing, and weeks after Dugard was found — family and friends gathered to pray for Amber’s safe return. The Escondido girl was last seen Feb. 13 walking near Escondido High School in black jeans, and a black-hooded sweatshirt.

Last week, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger announced a $40,000 increase to a reward for information leading to Amber’s safe return, and the arrest and conviction of the person responsible for her kidnapping.

MORE....


http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2009-09-23/news/local-county-news/poway-escondido-ramona/dugard-kidnapping-adds-urgency-to-dubois-case



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 23, 2009, 01:12:16 PM
I have to say I feel the same way about a lot of missing persons cases at the moment.

There are quite a few missing girls cases recently that have absolutely no witness to an abduction, no known enemy and no reason for run away.

Are they all alive and living under the thumb of a insane control personality and suffering from as time passes they then suffer from stockholm syndrome ?

It is possible.
 Searching for a live Natalee Holloway or a live Amber Dubois takes the eyes and ears of a nation, or even the world. Not just a lone individual or group. When Dugard was kidnapped there was plenty of witness and an accurate description of the culprit as well as an accurate description of his vehicle yet no professional ever found him or her. That says we can not depend on the professional police departments or investigative services of the United States of America to help us. We can not trust the F.B.I. as proof look at Amy Bradley.. We can not trust Interpol as they have proven to become only a political entity satisfying few if any with there services..
We the people are on our own. God Help Us ALL to find these people no matter what there circumstances.. The world is made of Good and Evil people and agendas.. For the most part Evil is working hard daily and Good has been pacified so long it is standing still to Evil.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 23, 2009, 03:29:46 PM
Somebody has done an outstanding job on Ambers web site..
http://www.bringhomeamber.com/index.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: AmbersMom on September 23, 2009, 06:09:35 PM
Thanks Edward I have a good friend that was honored to do redo Amber's website.
No news on Amber's case. I have a meeting next week with PD to go over the case.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on September 23, 2009, 10:18:15 PM
I have to say I feel the same way about a lot of missing persons cases at the moment.

There are quite a few missing girls cases recently that have absolutely no witness to an abduction, no known enemy and no reason for run away.

Are they all alive and living under the thumb of a insane control personality and suffering from as time passes they then suffer from stockholm syndrome ?

It is possible.
 Searching for a live Natalee Holloway or a live Amber Dubois takes the eyes and ears of a nation, or even the world. Not just a lone individual or group. When Dugard was kidnapped there was plenty of witness and an accurate description of the culprit as well as an accurate description of his vehicle yet no professional ever found him or her. That says we can not depend on the professional police departments or investigative services of the United States of America to help us. We can not trust the F.B.I. as proof look at Amy Bradley.. We can not trust Interpol as they have proven to become only a political entity satisfying few if any with there services..
We the people are on our own. God Help Us ALL to find these people no matter what there circumstances.. The world is made of Good and Evil people and agendas.. For the most part Evil is working hard daily and Good has been pacified so long it is standing still to Evil.


Great post Edward! I totally agree! The thing that bothers me the most, is that it appears that we, as United States Citizens are disposable. The Government entities do not seem to put forth much effort to find the missing. There are exceptions to this rule of course. There are many that are hard working and caring. I am speaking of the ones that just don't seem to exert themselves anymore than is required.  It is also distressing to imagine if one of these American Citizens had vanished on foreign soil, if the cases would be treated differently. Especially if it gave any politician an agenda. Better yet, if the missing person in question had Government "connections" or was a household name. It is this mindset, in my humble opinion that allows perps to keep snatching your every day, average citizen.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on September 25, 2009, 03:01:00 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/21113064/detail.html I wonder if there could be a connection?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 25, 2009, 03:32:26 PM
VALLEY CENTER, Calif. -- A 44-year-old North County man is behind bars Friday on suspicion of trying to kidnap a 19-year-old woman and her 3-year-old sister from the Rincon Indian Reservation, authorities said.

Ricardo Manuel Vilar was arrested Thursday evening after an employee at Rincon Market on Valley Center Road called 911 because he recognized Vilar as the suspect in an attempted kidnapping that occurred near the store on Sept. 16, San Diego County sheriff's Deputy Cliff Cutrell said.

Vilar met his victims inside the store while they were making a purchase, then followed them in his car as they left the market to walk to their home on the reservation, Cutrell said, adding that Vilar eventually got out of his car and attempted to pull both victims into his vehicle The 19-year-old woman fought back and managed to run home with her sister, according to Cutrell.

Vilar was arrested around 8:40 p.m. Thursday after he left the market in a silver sedan driven by Andrea Schorle, 45.

He was arrested on suspicion of attempted kidnapping, while Schorle was arrested on suspicion of narcotics possession and driving on a suspended license. They are tentatively scheduled to be arraigned in Vista on Tuesday, Cutrell said.

Both are residents of Hidden Meadows in unincorporated Escondido.

http://www.10news.com/news/21113064/detail.html


Here is a map of where Hidden Meadows is located and it is also in our early research here at scared monkeys as to one of the places a person could park a 5th wheel trailer.




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 25, 2009, 03:53:40 PM
Here is the area of Escondido which these 2 people that have been arrested supposedly live.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&zipcode=92026&zoom=6

It is North Escondido... This area may have been where the Phone was keyed ?

The Culprits... Attempted Kidnap of a 19 year old and a 3 year old and Drugs possesion.

1. Male.. Ricardo Manuel Vilar, 44 
2. Female.. Andrea Schorle, 45

When did Males and Females start working together in crimes like this ?
Jaycee from Tahoe.. Victoria from Canada
Now this ?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: canadianmonkey on September 25, 2009, 04:13:32 PM
Here is the area of Escondido which these 2 people that have been arrested supposedly live.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&zipcode=92026&zoom=6

It is North Escondido... This area may have been where the Phone was keyed ?

The Culprits... Attempted Kidnap of a 19 year old and a 3 year old and Drugs possesion.

1. Male.. Ricardo Manuel Vilar, 44 
2. Female.. Andrea Schorle, 45

When did Males and Females start working together in crimes like this ?
Jaycee from Tahoe.. Victoria from Canada
Now this ?


Don't forget Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka worked together.  It's easier for women to lure the children.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on September 25, 2009, 04:20:39 PM
http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrea-Schorle/1446885402#/friends.php?id=1446885402

I am pretty sure that this is Andrea's facebook page. It says that she recently moved to Hidden Meadows. She has a 13 year old daughter. I know I should not judge a book by its cover, but she does not look like an SO to me. Maybe she was just with the wrong person at the wrong time? I found a Ricardo Maunuael Vilar but he is supposedly 56 and the one in question is 44. There is also a Ricky Vilar that at one time lived in Carlsbad. I am pretty sure that Andrea used to live in Carlsbad too. I wonder if they are friends, roommates or more? I hope for her sake that they are just acquaintances and she is not involved in what ever sick things he is involved in.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on September 25, 2009, 04:23:53 PM
The other thing that I question is "who was driving the night that Ricardo Manuel Vilar was arrested?" There are many different stories here locally. At first I thought that Manuel was driving the "silver sedan" and Andrea was a passenger. Later, it stated that Andrea was arrested on unrelated charges of a suspended drivers license and drugs. If Andrea was in fact the one driving the "silver sedan" than I wonder what other vehicles these two may have. Additionally, I do not believe that Andrea was with Manuel the week prior when he tried to abduct the 19 year old and her 3 year old sister.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 25, 2009, 04:24:07 PM
My gut feeling says he used Andrea..
 She just learned a lesson or is about to learn one..

jmho


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 25, 2009, 04:25:06 PM
SAN DIEGO -- Seven months into the year and already 139 underage girls have been reported missing in San Diego.

Some are runaways, some return home on their own.

Others are lured to a place difficult even for police to track, where they are stuck in a life far different from their dreams. 


From there, even one rescue is a success.

Nearly 2 months after her 14-year-old daughter disappeared, one lucky mother got word her daughter was found in the interior of Mexico.

“My heart is happy, happy,” said Francisca Guabarrama.

10News waited with Guabarrama, at the International Border until the wee hours of the morning.

The transfer was being coordinated by an international rescue agency.

Finally, word came to Guabarrama that her daughter was clearing customs.

Her daughter beat the odds and made it back.

Law enforcement sources told 10News the girl met an older boy on My-Space, who was believed to be linked to a National City gang.

“Some of these girls leave with people we suspect to be gang members that do have ties to organized crime in Mexico,” said National City Police Detective, Antonio Ybarra.

The two agreed to meet at Kimball Park on June 2, 2009.

Like many other cases, the girl ended up in Mexico, alone and unable to get home, police said.

None of several other girls believed to be in Mexico has been found.

“The farther you go into the interior of Mexico, the more difficult that becomes,” said National City Police Sergeant, Mike Harlan.

What's happening to them is frightening.

“We have some cases that are active where's there's prostitution, human trafficking. They're used for transporting narcotics and we're not able to get to them,” said Ybarra.

The Guabarrama’s happy ending almost didn't happen.

“They went into hiding,” said former San Diego District Attorney Investigator, Juan Briones, who is now with the Bilateral Safety Corridor Coalition.

He was sent to Guadalajara because he has almost 20 years experience with international missing person's cases.

He went down to bring Guabarrama back home.

“The victim somehow feels powerless and that they need help,” Briones said.

Briones said he threatened criminal charges against the men living in the home with the young girl and they eventually released her.

“It’s difficult to get to these kids to understand,” Ybarra said, “that where you and I can go to any pay phone and dial 9-1-1 and get police service, it does not work that way over there.”

While one girl has been given another chance, many others remain in danger south of the border.

Law enforcement sources say the cooperation between Mexican and U.S. law enforcement agencies has improved in recent years, but it still takes time to get a minor home.

“If a young girl has already slipped into the hands of a cartel to be sold into prostitution and drug running, it's, at the very least, extremely difficult to ever reach her,” Briones said.

http://www.10news.com/investigations/20221213/detail.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on September 25, 2009, 06:23:23 PM
It still drives me bonkers that the Mexican boy seen with Amber has not been found or come forward. Carrie has stated repeatedly that Amber did not have a boyfriend and was quite naive with regards to boys.

Edward,
If you have the time, I would appreciate it if you would go back through the North County Times articles and read the discussions at the bottom. There are a couple that really stood out to me and I would like your opinion!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on September 25, 2009, 06:25:44 PM
My gut feeling says he used Andrea..
 She just learned a lesson or is about to learn one..

jmho
Let us hope that they were not roommates. She does have a 13 year old daughter!!!!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 25, 2009, 07:07:29 PM
Some news articles are referring to these 2 people as husband and wife.





Sabastian I was looking for the particular link for the north county times article can you repost that link please.. T/Y



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on September 25, 2009, 07:49:34 PM
Some news articles are referring to these 2 people as husband and wife.





Sabastian I was looking for the particular link for the north county times article can you repost that link please.. T/Y



http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_c134c48e-b854-553e-8cd7-02bbe0dc74f8.html Here is one of the links and I will go look for the other.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on September 25, 2009, 07:53:57 PM
Here is the other link. http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=10419108 Thank you Edward!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 25, 2009, 08:12:09 PM
OK

Here is my thoughts om Ms.Bart..
Quote:
Michelle Bart, the public relations specialist hired by Welch, said it's unfortunate some of the family's divisions have become public. She said the split has eaten away at her time, at least.

My Comment $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Money Sucking Leach !

The family should work hard to stay together in this time.. It is all about Amber and nothing else should come between them and Bart has.
jmho


OK on the other item..
Walmart Video..

Quote:
Try the Marine Corps. Lcpl. Viegas. He had access to a vehicle matching the description of the vehicle described in the video. He was, and is stationed at Camp Pendleton, 1/1 WPNS CO, 81's PLT. I heard him admit to such a crime, but I'm not goign to say my name. It was a rape and left for dead type scenario, so he described.

My response.. Check Him Out.
I hate the fact that we can see him clearly and that the police have not found him..
His face should be on Billboards so that somebody will recognise him and call in who the S.O.B. is.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on September 25, 2009, 08:26:44 PM
Thanks Edward!
Where did you read that Ricardo Vilar and Andrea Schorle were married? On her facebook, one of her causes is "STOP SO against children". I sure the heck hope she was in the dark about Ricardo! I am also praying her daughter was not around him!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 25, 2009, 08:45:22 PM
This morning I was reading some various news articles looking for a picture of HIM so as to post the photo here to see if a family member recognises his face. One or 2 of those reports mentioned his name with her last name.. Prolly just bad reporting but we will see..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on September 25, 2009, 10:08:19 PM
Hi Edward,
On her myspace she says she is "single". I am hoping he is just an acquaintance and she was in the dark!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on September 28, 2009, 03:29:06 PM
LE Should have invaded this mans home by now looking for evidence of Amber.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on September 30, 2009, 02:26:39 AM
LE Should have invaded this mans home by now looking for evidence of Amber.

Hi Edward!
I have not heard of any updates on this. Have you? Carrie and I have been playing phone tag lately. I will see if I can get a hold of her for anything new to add. Praying for Amber! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: AmbersMom on September 30, 2009, 03:20:33 AM
Hi Everyone,

No news to report on Amber. I've been trying to set up a meeting with the family and PI, so we can brainstorm and eliminate and see what we are missing, but it has not happened yet. Friday I am meeting with LE to get an update. I have a lot of questions that need to be answered!
Thanks for keeping Amber in your prayers,

Carrie


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: klaasend on October 01, 2009, 12:59:26 AM
Hi Everyone,

No news to report on Amber. I've been trying to set up a meeting with the family and PI, so we can brainstorm and eliminate and see what we are missing, but it has not happened yet. Friday I am meeting with LE to get an update. I have a lot of questions that need to be answered!
Thanks for keeping Amber in your prayers,

Carrie

Thanks for the update, it must be so frustrating for you.  We're still praying for Amber!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on October 01, 2009, 01:33:40 AM
Carrie everyday I say a prayer for your daughters safe return.  Prayers for her, for you and for your entire family.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 02:59:32 PM
Ok this is probably nothing but I just posted a link to a myspace page to a denise dubois in McCleary Washington who's picture has wolves. It is on the lindsey thread. Thought I would just pass that one on, I will let you all decide if it is connected..

http://www.myspace.com/425305404


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on October 05, 2009, 09:32:03 PM
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/sep/17/bn17amber-reward-fund/?northcounty

I so desperately pray that this helps bring my amazing niece home.  Thank you.

Good for Arnie!  I am praying that something breaks soon.

Once the FBI updated their release they had talked about Amber's Irish ring.  I had asked Amber's Mom if she could share a picture of it and she said she would.  I know you have all been really busy but am still hoping we can see the exact ring.

Still praying for Amber and the family.

Thank you NR - it's probably the most common Irish ring made - well, I should say Celtic ring - sorry it's taken so long to respond - our focus is always bringing Amber home.  Thanks to all Monkeys for your help!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Ampersand on October 05, 2009, 11:01:55 PM
And yes, I have the approval from Amber's Mom - my sister - to post this - she didn't have a pic readily available...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on October 07, 2009, 04:55:36 PM
To find a live Amber.
Here is something for the family to do..

Contact the San Diego6 news channel and identify the person that left this message..

I called SDPD this morning and reported that I saw her in back of one of the buildings in Balboa Park. She was wearing a pair of green plaid lounge-type pants. And when I asked her if she was Amber she said I'm out of here.

The message was left as a user comment on this news report at the bottom of the page.
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Investigators-Amber-Dubois-Internet-Use-Increased/BjqQI9XLB0GIw1vBrNDMRw.cspx


The person said he/she had contacted SDPD and told them that he/she had seen a possible Amber.

Follow up on it like YOU are the detective and do not depend on LE to do it for you.
I would look for video surveillance camera footage from that day in Balboa park if LE has not already done it.

This was the only reported sighting of Amber from early news reports that I came across..
SD LE should have already notified and investigated this item and informed the family of true/false

If Not then do it on your own.






Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on October 08, 2009, 02:24:05 AM
Hi Edward!
Good to see you! Knowing Carrie, she followed up on this lead long ago, but I will check with her!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on October 08, 2009, 01:21:43 PM
One of my detective friends found a 15 year old girl missing from Eureka California near Oregon.
She left voluntarily with a 34 year old white male who she had met online using her friends computer and then he drove up to get her and then they both returned to San Jose where they were found together.

He is in jail..



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on October 08, 2009, 03:30:37 PM
It just reminds me that 90 percent of the time runaways happen for all kinds of reasons..
We have no idea at this time what the 34 year olds long term intentions were for her..

Only 10 percent of missing person cases involve harm in some way and there is a victim in these cases.

Is Amber within the 10 percent or the 90 percent ?

I ask myself WHY Amber has not contacted her aunt or Grandma or dad or mom to let them know she is ok.. ?????????????????????????
That all comes down to kids today.. Kids today do some strange things. So it is still possible she is alive and any and all things have to be followed up on.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on October 09, 2009, 02:24:22 AM
I keep hoping Amber ran away too Edward. It would mean that more than likely Amber is alive and well. The problem is that Carrie has left no stone unturned. She diligently follows leads, continuously talks to LE, has been through Amber's things, talked to Amber's friends. There has not been a single indication that Amber ran away. She was quiet, did not have a boyfriend, got great grades, was in 4-H and was not allowed a myspace. Her online activity was monitored and her computer has been gone over more than once with a fine tooth comb. Everytime I think I have a good suggestion on a possible lead, Carrie has already been there, done that. I am so frustrated and it is not my child. I cannot even imagine the frustration for the family. I still cannot believe that someone did not see something or that someone does not know something. I am begging anyone that saw something, even as small or rediculous that you think it may be, PLEASE CALL LE! You can call from a payphone and your identity would be witheld.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on October 09, 2009, 05:56:33 PM
Do you know if everyone within the 4-h group has been questioned, both adults and children?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on October 09, 2009, 09:42:20 PM
Do you know if everyone within the 4-h group has been questioned, both adults and children?

Hi Tracygirl,
I am sure that they have but I will double check with Carrie. Thank you so much for your interest! Amber needs to come home!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on October 16, 2009, 06:01:59 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6296.0


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on October 16, 2009, 06:07:02 PM
I was hoping a person close the story can answer a question for me. The red truck that was seen in the parking lot close to where Amber went missing, has that been ruled out? I ask because I don't find much on this truck or any mention of it. It just seems to me that LE should be putting it out there and maybe asking if anyone remembers seeing that truck that day or if anyone knows of a person who drives a truck like that they would like to speak to them.

I ask because for the last 3 nights I have had dreams about Amber and this truck. I just feel now and felt then, it is connected to this case.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on October 19, 2009, 11:39:54 PM
I was hoping a person close the story can answer a question for me. The red truck that was seen in the parking lot close to where Amber went missing, has that been ruled out? I ask because I don't find much on this truck or any mention of it. It just seems to me that LE should be putting it out there and maybe asking if anyone remembers seeing that truck that day or if anyone knows of a person who drives a truck like that they would like to speak to them.

I ask because for the last 3 nights I have had dreams about Amber and this truck. I just feel now and felt then, it is connected to this case.


Hi Tracy,.
We are still waiting to hear about the truck. I think the problem has been that there are so many trucks like that in this area. I count tons everytime I go anywhere. I spoke to Carrie, Amber's mom last night and there is nothing new right now except the upcoming get together to celebrate Amber's birthday. I hope a lot of people come out so that it will get some media time. Did you see Carrie on Tyra Banks? Carrie is usually so strong and when I see her cry it breaks my heart! I keep praying for Amber!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on October 20, 2009, 12:30:46 AM
Thanks for the response Sebatian. I think what bothers me about the truck is it is not out there. Do you know if the family has considered putting the video clip on the website? Or maybe a pic of the truck on the flyer? I don't know, maybe the FBI has asked it not to be?

I know there are a lot of red trucks such as that one, but the one that was there that day belongs to no one associated with the school according to past reports. Just seem there would be more of an effort to try to find it considering the actions of the driver. 

Certain things stand out to me, the truck being the most obvious and then the workers at the school farm. Seem one of them or someone close to them would have known the kids were to come to school early that day. If only we can figure out what in the world happened that day. I feel the answer is right there....who knows though.

BTW, this was not pointed at the family, not at all. I didn't catch the tara banks show. I also could not find a link to the spot, do you have one to post?

I pray everyday for Amber and her family to be reunited one again. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: AmbersMom on October 20, 2009, 03:39:36 AM
Story in Union Tribune

Amber Dubois, 14, last seen in February
By J. Harry Jones
Union-Tribune Staff Writer
2:00 a.m. October 19, 2009

 
In August, police thought they had found Amber Dubois, the 14-year-old Escondido girl missing since February.
For three weeks, they had been tracking a girl who had been seen near Garberville in Humboldt County.
“Somebody saw a flier and said, ‘Wow, I'm sure that's her,’ ” said Escondido police Lt. Bob Benton.
Escondido police contacted deputies in the county 700 miles away, and more fliers were distributed.
More tips came in. The girl looked like Amber, and she had told people that was her name. She had also told people she was from Escondido.
“We thought we had it solved,” Benton said.
But like so many leads and tips since Amber disappeared, the efforts were for naught.
Deputies found the girl, whose name really is Amber. And she had run away from her home in Escondido — Escondido Lakes, Wash. She was 17.
“Talk about your coincidences,” Benton said. “We thought for sure it was her. That's been the toughest part in the emotional roller coaster of getting what we believe are very credible tips and that Amber would be coming home, to the realization that it's not her.”
Escondido police, with the assistance at one time or another of dozens of law enforcement agencies — including the FBI — continue to search for Amber. They have been able to determine to some extent what didn't happen through a process of elimination, but what did happen remains a mystery.
Tips keep coming in about possible sightings. On Friday, Benton said, a tip prompted a search for Amber in South Carolina.
“Fresh eyes” in the department are reviewing thousands of pages of transcribed interviews and tips to make sure nothing has been overlooked.
“It's very frustrating from our standpoint that for the amount of time and resources we've thrown at this thing that we have yet to locate her or find out what happened to Amber,” Benton said.

Last seen Feb. 13
Amber was last seen at 7:10 a.m. Feb. 13 walking to Escondido High School on North Broadway. She was walking with a tall boy who has yet to be identified.
Two video recordings made from cameras at the school show that Amber did not keep walking toward the campus.
It's possible, though police think it unlikely, that she was abducted on the street. It's also possible she walked across the football field or turned around and headed north. The cameras would have recorded her if she had walked past the football field or near the main building.
By the next day, police were very concerned. They interviewed her family and friends.
“Essentially, we found out she is a normal 14-year-old,” Benton said. “She liked to read. She was somewhat of a loner, but it was very much out of character for her to be missing, and that's why we jumped on this case early on. We realized it was very suspicious. We've been working it full time ever since.”
On average, 550 missing-person reports come into Escondido police each year. Most concern teenagers, usually runaways found within a few days.
Nationally, it is estimated that more than 1 million children go missing for at least a short while each year. The vast majority are found within a day.
It has been more than eight months since Amber disappeared.
More than 500 interviews of friends, family, sex offenders and others have been conducted during the search.
More than 1,200 tips have come in. Many are useless, like suggestions that police check her cell phone records, which was done immediately. Some are far-fetched, like those from people claiming to be psychics who report such things as, “I see her standing by a white fence.”
A $100,000 reward for information has been offered.
Amber's cell phone went dead the morning she disappeared and was activated once, for only a few seconds, the next day.
“We don't know what significance that has,” Benton said.
Experts have dug into the computers Amber used, and even today some of the Internet activity isn't fully known because servers are located out of the country. Investigators say Amber didn't have any online activity that might suggest she was thinking of running away or that she was in contact with someone who might mean her harm.
A red pickup seen in a grainy video parked in the school bus lot near the football field has been all but dismissed as a lead.
“We think we've identified it,” Benton said. “We're hoping to confirm soon that the red truck had nothing to do with the case.”
Two months ago, police thought they had another strong lead.
They were getting tips about the sighting of a girl who looked just like Amber. She had been seen in the San Francisco area, as well as in parts of Central California and even Yosemite National Park.
Sam Rubin of Holtville said he picked up a girl and boy in Yosemite on July 29 or 30 who told him that they had been camping and that a bear had eaten their food.
On his way home, Rubin saw an Amber flier in a gas station in Lake Tahoe and was “99 percent” sure it was Amber he had picked up.
Police tracked the girl for weeks, and finally authorities found her in Clearlake, about 100 miles northwest of Sacramento.
She gave a false name, and Clearlake police sent Escondido her photograph. They, too, thought it was Amber.
It wasn't. It was a 15-year-old girl who looked remarkably similar and had run away from home in Antioch in the Bay Area three months earlier. She was returned to her mother.

Upcoming birthday
Amber will turn 15 on Sunday.
Her mother, Carrie McGonigle, and father, Maurice Dubois, have been doing all they can to keep Amber's case in the spotlight in the hope of generating more tips.
They've recently appeared on two nationally syndicated television shows and made headlines last month when they criticized the police for not doing enough. They have since met with police and have softened their criticism.
“There were some miscommunications,” Maurice Dubois said. “We were not told specifics about the case at the time. It's an open investigation, so we can't be told everything. We know that.”
The search and the waiting are difficult, he said.
“Yesterday was the eight-month anniversary of her disappearance. That was rough,” Dubois said Wednesday. “Planning a candlelight vigil for her 15th birthday, that's been rougher.”
The vigil will likely be at Lake Dixon in Escondido, but plans have not yet been completed.
Where do police go from here?
Benton said detectives will follow any new leads.
“If you're sitting at home reading this article and you think you have information that is significant — call,” said Lt. Craig Carter. “It's going to be that one piece of information that's going to push us over the edge. We'd like to have that one piece of information.”



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on October 20, 2009, 11:52:40 AM
Thanks for the response Sebatian. I think what bothers me about the truck is it is not out there. Do you know if the family has considered putting the video clip on the website? Or maybe a pic of the truck on the flyer? I don't know, maybe the FBI has asked it not to be?

I know there are a lot of red trucks such as that one, but the one that was there that day belongs to no one associated with the school according to past reports. Just seem there would be more of an effort to try to find it considering the actions of the driver. 

Certain things stand out to me, the truck being the most obvious and then the workers at the school farm. Seem one of them or someone close to them would have known the kids were to come to school early that day. If only we can figure out what in the world happened that day. I feel the answer is right there....who knows though.

BTW, this was not pointed at the family, not at all. I didn't catch the tara banks show. I also could not find a link to the spot, do you have one to post?

I pray everyday for Amber and her family to be reunited one again. 

Hi Tracy,
If you read all of the article that Carrie posted, the truck has pretty much been eliminated. It was the ONE LEAD. C


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on October 20, 2009, 12:01:05 PM
Thanks for the response Sebatian. I think what bothers me about the truck is it is not out there. Do you know if the family has considered putting the video clip on the website? Or maybe a pic of the truck on the flyer? I don't know, maybe the FBI has asked it not to be?

I know there are a lot of red trucks such as that one, but the one that was there that day belongs to no one associated with the school according to past reports. Just seem there would be more of an effort to try to find it considering the actions of the driver. 

Certain things stand out to me, the truck being the most obvious and then the workers at the school farm. Seem one of them or someone close to them would have known the kids were to come to school early that day. If only we can figure out what in the world happened that day. I feel the answer is right there....who knows though.

BTW, this was not pointed at the family, not at all. I didn't catch the tara banks show. I also could not find a link to the spot, do you have one to post?

I pray everyday for Amber and her family to be reunited one again. 

Hi Tracy,
If you read all of the article that Carrie posted, the truck has pretty much been eliminated. It was the ONE LEAD. Can you imagine the frustration now! Carrie and LE have been over the tapes at the high school and nothing!  Carrie made me watch Amber's video that she made. It is posted. It shows Amber from the time she was a baby until now. I did not want to watch it because I knew it would break my heart. It actually gave me renewed vigor to think of ANYTHING at all to bring this precious daughter home to Carrie! I have gotten to know Carrie and she is so incredibly strong! She tries to be tough but her heart of gold shines through. She is very smart and has done so much to try to find Amber. Carrie and I both tend to let our children walk on us a bit. Therefore I know the bond that she has with Amber as I have it with my daughter. Carrie is a wonderful, loving mother and whenever I try to put myself in her shoes, and imagine it is my daughter who is missing, I go insane. Yet Carrie continues to be a good mom to her other daughter and has gone back to work and continues to do everthing and anything to find Amber. I admire her more than she could ever know!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on October 20, 2009, 02:53:53 PM
Carrie thank you for posting the article. Oh my goodness how frustrating. I was hoping the red truck was the answer, if this article is correct and LE is giving out the correct information, it is not. People don't just go poof, she has to be somewhere. She will be found, I pray it is soon.

I can't seriously believe the FBI considers the phone powering on as something insignificant. The phone never really made me go hmmm because someone could have found it and simply replaced the sims card inside. I guess though it can give an idea of where maybe she was at that day? Maybe she dropped her phone or someone dumped it and it was found by someone? Did they ever find out where the ping was at? Did they narrow down the area?

Sebastian, you are a good friend to Carrie, she needs you right now, actually, she like other mothers/parents of these kids, needs the support of everyone. You are doing good.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on October 24, 2009, 12:02:36 AM
Carrie thank you for posting the article. Oh my goodness how frustrating. I was hoping the red truck was the answer, if this article is correct and LE is giving out the correct information, it is not. People don't just go poof, she has to be somewhere. She will be found, I pray it is soon.

I can't seriously believe the FBI considers the phone powering on as something insignificant. The phone never really made me go hmmm because someone could have found it and simply replaced the sims card inside. I guess though it can give an idea of where maybe she was at that day? Maybe she dropped her phone or someone dumped it and it was found by someone? Did they ever find out where the ping was at? Did they narrow down the area?

Sebastian, you are a good friend to Carrie, she needs you right now, actually, she like other mothers/parents of these kids, needs the support of everyone. You are doing good.

Hi Tracygirl!'
It is Amber's birthday this week-end. I am asking everyone to please say an extra prayer for Amber and Carrie and the rest of their family this week-end. It is an extremely hard time and Carrie is feeling really down. Happy Birthday Amber! We are praying for you and everyone in the family! Let God bring you home!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2009, 03:53:33 PM
http://www.myvalleynews.com/story/41687/

Teen found in New York is not Amber Dubois

Saturday, October 24th, 2009.

ESCONDIDO - A teenage girl who responds to "Amber" and who mysteriously turned up in New York City two weeks ago is not Amber Dubois, the teen missing from Escondido since February, authorities said today.

The girl in New York is believed by social workers and doctors there to have a legitimate case of amnesia, and claims to have no memory of her family, home or even her own name. The coincidence prompted Escondido police to query New York police, and a watch commander today said detectives had determined that the girl in New York is not the missing Escondido teen.

Escondido police have interviewed more than 500 people, served more than 50 judicial subpoenas and followed up on more than 1,000 tips since 14-year-old Amber first went missing Feb. 13.

Amber Dubois' parents plan to reach out to the public again Sunday as they remember their daughter's birthday.

The young woman found in New York, described as between 14 and 17 years old, 5 feet 6 inches tall, light-skinned, with short, straight, cropped blond hair and blue eyes, bears a resemblance to Amber and has responded to that name, though she's apparently not certain who she is.

"I just want to know who I am," the girl said in a statement from the New York City Administration for Children's Services, reported by CNN. The teen, who is being referred to as Jane Doe, continued, "I want to know who I am and what happened to me."

But Amber Dubois' parents continue to search for their daughter, whose 15th birthday is tomorrow.

At a prayer vigil in September, her family criticized Escondido police, saying not enough was being done to find her. "Our daughter is not getting what she needs to be recovered," Amber's father, Moe Dubois said at the time.

The family said police failed to act quickly on a tip received Aug. 24 from someone who may have seen the teen at a business, and the business' surveillance video has since been erased. The family also alleges that police failed to respond in timely fashion after tracking dogs brought to the region

by the family last month picked up her scent.

Police said they remain viligant in the search for the Escondido High School teen.

She is described on the family's Web site, www.bringamberhome.com as 14 years old, 5 feet 5 inches tall, weighing 130 pounds, with brown hair and blue eyes. She was last seen while walking to school.

Amber's case is classified as a missing person investigation because police do not know if she ran away or was kidnapped. Friends and family have described her as a studious, well-behaved adolescent who loves her home and her family and has no history of running away.

Her family asked anyone with information to call (760) 743-8477. There is a $50,000 reward for the teen's safe return and an addition $50,000 offered for information leading to the arrest and conviction in California of anyone responsible for her disappearance.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: linds1980 on October 25, 2009, 11:50:51 PM
Happy Birthday Amber!  Praying for your safe return! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on October 25, 2009, 11:56:20 PM
Happy Birthday Amber! You are so loved and everyone wants you home!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on October 26, 2009, 11:33:53 AM
 ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_a6ef45ff-afeb-5700-909e-b1640af3f96c.html

ESCONDIDO: Party for missing birthday girl a somber affair

By SARAH GORDON - sgordon@nctimes.com | Posted: Sunday, October 25, 2009 9:20 pm

There was cake, balloons and a picnic lunch.

But with the birthday girl missing for more than eight months, no one really expected a happy birthday.

Still, about 50 family members, friends and a handful of well-wishers from the community attended a celebration and prayer vigil at Escondido's Dixon Lake Recreation Area on Sunday to mark Amber Dubois' 15th birthday.

"Sitting at home at a time like this is the last thing we want to do," said Maurice Dubois, Amber's father.

Dubois said the company of others who care about his daughter was some comfort during the painful birthday milestone. And although she is missing, suspending the family's tradition of a party and cake on Amber's birthday might have been more painful, he said.

"We want to try to keep things as normal as we can," Dubois said. "It's been hard enough changing everything in our lives."

Dubois, who is divorced from Amber's mother, lives in Orange County. He recently returned to work after taking eight months off to concentrate on the search for Amber, though he plans to continue his efforts, he said.

A poster and a photo album that circulated at Sunday's gathering showed pictures of Amber at her past birthday parties.

On her first birthday, Amber already had a full head of brown hair and ate cake in a high chair. On her third birthday, she wore a court jester's cap. At her 14th birthday party last year, she jumped into a swimming pool at her mom's house.

"This is a great album," said Amber's aunt, Stacy Harker.

Harker said her niece would have loved the birthday picnic, set overlooking a bright blue Lake Dixon under a clear sky. The park, along with adjacent Daily Ranch were places where search and rescue operations concentrated in the early days of Amber's disappearance. Harker couldn't help entertaining a fantasy.

"I'd love to see her come walking up here right now so we could have a happy party rather than a sad party," the Corona relative said.

Amber was last seen Feb. 13 walking near Escondido High School, on her way to class. Despite an investigation that police describe as one of the most intense they've done, her disappearance remains a mystery. Her parents believe she was abducted and is being held by a stranger.

Family friend Joe Peters said he hoped Amber would be able to see pictures of the cake and party she missed.

"Hopefully we'll share the event with her soon," he said.

Carrie McGonigle, Amber's mother, said Sunday's gathering gave her some respite from a grief that grows every day.

"I'm not crying right now," she said.

She noted that the birthday cake did not say, "Happy Birthday."

"I don't even know if she knows it's her birthday," she said, speculating that Amber may be learning a new life from whoever is holding her.

Because they think she is alive, Amber's family believes publicity is the key to finding her. Next week, the family will send a mailer to about 27,000 law enforcement agencies asking for help, McGonigle said. The mailer includes a removable poster and an introduction by Escondido police Lt. Bob Benton, she said.

Moe Dubois said the recently publicized case of a teenager with amnesia found in New York City who responded to the name of "Amber," showed him publicity is working.

While Dubois' hope when he first learned of the New York City teen was short-lived ---- a quick Web search showed pictures of a girl who was not his daughter ---- he said more than 80 people from across the country e-mailed or called him about the case.

"It's good to know there are so many people who are aware of Amber and who will actually get in touch with us," he said.

Call staff writer Sarah Gordon at 760-740-3517.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on October 26, 2009, 02:26:44 PM
Yesterday I was looking at the missing kids in California website, a child walked into my store and she looked similar to a child on that site. I actually called it in, but I don't think it is her, she was too little. 

So anyhow, I noticed Amber's pics and right above her there was a boy who has been missing since 2/09/09. I noticed he is from Northern California and it would make sense that it could take him a good 4 days to travel to so cal, so I clicked to get a description and sure enough he is tall and thin, 6'2" and 150 lbs. His name is Saxon (Kelly) Dir. The boy that was seen walking with Amber was said to be tall and thin, so you just never know, Here is a link to the poster...
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=1115852&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

I know no one wants to consider Amber running away and frankly I don't think she did but it could lead you to a live amber so I am posting it.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on October 26, 2009, 04:06:59 PM
Today I read this in the paper..

F.B.I. says ..  50 kids rescued from prostitution rings across the nation. !!!!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569593,00.html?test=latestnews


Where are the victims ? Names would be good...
Are any of them named kidnap victims that searches like us seek answers to ?


This is not the first time children have been rescued from supposed pimps and kidnappers, I have yet to see one of the children listed in the missing persons data base be found because of this.

Anyways, it was considered that possibly Amber fell victim to one of these characters and so this story may have hope and answers.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on October 26, 2009, 05:37:39 PM
Today I read this in the paper..

F.B.I. says ..  50 kids rescued from prostitution rings across the nation. !!!!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569593,00.html?test=latestnews


Where are the victims ? Names would be good...
Are any of them named kidnap victims that searches like us seek answers to ?


This is not the first time children have been rescued from supposed pimps and kidnappers, I have yet to see one of the children listed in the missing persons data base be found because of this.

Anyways, it was considered that possibly Amber fell victim to one of these characters and so this story may have hope and answers.

Edward I wonder that too. I would also like to know the cities and states. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on October 27, 2009, 12:54:31 PM
 Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois ~ Questions only, no comments
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2009, 07:59:43 PM » Quote 

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Did Amber, her mom, or her dad rent a storage place anywhere in the area?
 
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Sebastian:  could you get an answer to this?  May be something, may be nothing.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on October 27, 2009, 11:09:18 PM
Yesterday I was looking at the missing kids in California website, a child walked into my store and she looked similar to a child on that site. I actually called it in, but I don't think it is her, she was too little. 

So anyhow, I noticed Amber's pics and right above her there was a boy who has been missing since 2/09/09. I noticed he is from Northern California and it would make sense that it could take him a good 4 days to travel to so cal, so I clicked to get a description and sure enough he is tall and thin, 6'2" and 150 lbs. His name is Saxon (Kelly) Dir. The boy that was seen walking with Amber was said to be tall and thin, so you just never know, Here is a link to the poster...
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=1115852&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

I know no one wants to consider Amber running away and frankly I don't think she did but it could lead you to a live amber so I am posting it.

Hi Tracygirl,
I am so glad that you had the foresight to call this in. Whether it turns out to be anything or not, it is great that you called it in. Carrie gets a lot of calls from people who see suspicious things and they only give her a partial license plate number. You really need to whole number in order to research it. I am only saying this because I was one of those people who thought that LE had some kind of magic machine that could take a number or two and get them the result that they wanted.  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on October 27, 2009, 11:13:18 PM
Today I read this in the paper..

F.B.I. says ..  50 kids rescued from prostitution rings across the nation. !!!!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569593,00.html?test=latestnews


Where are the victims ? Names would be good...
Are any of them named kidnap victims that searches like us seek answers to ?


This is not the first time children have been rescued from supposed pimps and kidnappers, I have yet to see one of the children listed in the missing persons data base be found because of this.

Anyways, it was considered that possibly Amber fell victim to one of these characters and so this story may have hope and answers.

Hi Edward!
I have not seen you in a while! It is great to see you! You always have great things to contribute to these boards. Carrie has met with people that are involved with going after those who are involved with human trafficking. It is a much bigger problem than people know. I am so glad that LE is taking it seriously and working hard to fight it.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on October 27, 2009, 11:16:26 PM
Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois ~ Questions only, no comments
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2009, 07:59:43 PM » Quote 

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Did Amber, her mom, or her dad rent a storage place anywhere in the area?
 
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Sebastian:  could you get an answer to this?  May be something, may be nothing.

Hi Lovinglife!
I think you might have asked me this before and I meant to ask Carrie and got off on something else and forgot. I am really sorry. I will ask her and post the reply. I have been trying to reach her tonight.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on October 27, 2009, 11:36:57 PM
Hi Edward,
This one is for you  http://mynw.com/?nid=11&sid=230664 Please read "had enough"s comments. I read them and thought of you. This guy is really funny and very astute!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on October 27, 2009, 11:42:13 PM
The comments on that site are too rich! I have not had a laugh like this in a long time. Moondoggie wrote...
Jeromy
I hope Barney Frank's partner isn't arrested for running a prostitution ring AGAIN.

Sometimes you find the funniest things in the most unlikely places!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on October 28, 2009, 02:11:12 PM
People are frustrated with the news reporting..
 Some of the false reporting is being done by law enforcement and there associated groups to make there image look good and Ego's grow in public view.

1. I want the names of all pimps arrested
2. I want the names of all adult women arrested

and how many of these children rescued were actually the working prostitutes own children ?
A pimp and a prostitute could be nothing more then a husband and his wife.
 They could have kids. The police arrest the husband and wife and take the children. Then all of a sudden a news report comes out and states that children were rescued from a prostitution ring.

It also mentions organized crime group. What organized group ?? Who are the people associated to that group ?

It is all bullshit.. 

I do not like false statistics ..
 I do not like false news reports..
I do not like false info released by police departments or prosecutors for any kind of political gain.

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on October 28, 2009, 09:56:59 PM
People are frustrated with the news reporting..
 Some of the false reporting is being done by law enforcement and there associated groups to make there image look good and Ego's grow in public view.

1. I want the names of all pimps arrested
2. I want the names of all adult women arrested

and how many of these children rescued were actually the working prostitutes own children ?
A pimp and a prostitute could be nothing more then a husband and his wife.
 They could have kids. The police arrest the husband and wife and take the children. Then all of a sudden a news report comes out and states that children were rescued from a prostitution ring.

It also mentions organized crime group. What organized group ?? Who are the people associated to that group ?

It is all bullshit.. 

I do not like false statistics ..
 I do not like false news reports..
I do not like false info released by police departments or prosecutors for any kind of political gain.

 

The "real" reporters were canned or forced to take an early retirement years ago. They were replaced with tabloid sensationalists. I am sure that is why the newspaper is soon to be a thing of the past.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on November 01, 2009, 01:29:00 AM
Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois ~ Questions only, no comments
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2009, 07:59:43 PM » Quote 

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Did Amber, her mom, or her dad rent a storage place anywhere in the area?
 
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Sebastian:  could you get an answer to this?  May be something, may be nothing.

Hi Lovinlife!
Carrie has not had a storage unit since Amber was 5. Moe, Amber's father has a storage unit up in the Buena Park area somewhere. Is it important? Thank you!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on November 01, 2009, 04:17:10 PM
Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois ~ Questions only, no comments
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2009, 07:59:43 PM » Quote 

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Did Amber, her mom, or her dad rent a storage place anywhere in the area?
 
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Sebastian:  could you get an answer to this?  May be something, may be nothing.

Hi Lovinlife!
Carrie has not had a storage unit since Amber was 5. Moe, Amber's father has a storage unit up in the Buena Park area somewhere. Is it important? Thank you!

What about her at the time live-in bf.  Did you mean to exclude him from your question?   I have no idea what your question is about, but it would seem that he should be included.   Just guessing that he would have quite a lot of storage at his business.     

Always, JMO


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on November 01, 2009, 10:59:00 PM
Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois ~ Questions only, no comments
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2009, 07:59:43 PM » Quote 

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Did Amber, her mom, or her dad rent a storage place anywhere in the area?
 
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Sebastian:  could you get an answer to this?  May be something, may be nothing.

Hi Lovinlife!
Carrie has not had a storage unit since Amber was 5. Moe, Amber's father has a storage unit up in the Buena Park area somewhere. Is it important? Thank you!

What about her at the time live-in bf.  Did you mean to exclude him from your question?   I have no idea what your question is about, but it would seem that he should be included.   Just guessing that he would have quite a lot of storage at his business.     

Always, JMO

Great question Chi-Monkey. I will find out if Dave has any storage units!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on November 04, 2009, 01:55:29 AM
Hi Lovinglife,
Dave, Carrie's ex live in boyfriend does not have a storage space. Where are you?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on November 04, 2009, 09:19:29 AM
Hi Lovinglife,
Dave, Carrie's ex live in boyfriend does not have a storage space. Where are you?
I am here Sebastian.  Real life has been EXTREEMLY busy. Can you email me at XXXXXXXX@live.com?  Thanks for checking that out.  Like I said, probably nothing. 

Chi-Monkey~I did not intentionally leave out Dave, I totally forgot about him when I asked the question. Sorry for any confusion.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on November 04, 2009, 09:46:47 AM
Sebastian ~ when you get my email addy can you "report to Mod" so they can remove it.  I'm on EST & I think you're on PST?  I'll probably miss you. TIA, lovin ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on November 04, 2009, 02:40:26 PM
Hi Lovinglife,
Dave, Carrie's ex live in boyfriend does not have a storage space. Where are you?
I am here Sebastian.  Real life has been EXTREEMLY busy. Can you email me at XXXXXXXXXX@live.com?  Thanks for checking that out.  Like I said, probably nothing. 

Chi-Monkey~I did not intentionally leave out Dave, I totally forgot about him when I asked the question. Sorry for any confusion.

No problem, I just wouldn't like to forget Dave.  As Edward could tell, I am both reading and taking notes. LOL

Chi-M



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on November 04, 2009, 03:27:36 PM
 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on November 04, 2009, 03:30:35 PM
I keep hoping Amber ran away too Edward. It would mean that more than likely Amber is alive and well. The problem is that Carrie has left no stone unturned. She diligently follows leads, continuously talks to LE, has been through Amber's things, talked to Amber's friends. There has not been a single indication that Amber ran away. She was quiet, did not have a boyfriend, got great grades, was in 4-H and was not allowed a myspace. Her online activity was monitored and her computer has been gone over more than once with a fine tooth comb. Everytime I think I have a good suggestion on a possible lead, Carrie has already been there, done that. I am so frustrated and it is not my child. I cannot even imagine the frustration for the family. I still cannot believe that someone did not see something or that someone does not know something. I am begging anyone that saw something, even as small or rediculous that you think it may be, PLEASE CALL LE! You can call from a payphone and your identity would be witheld.

Sebastian..  I will risk a few comments here, knowing the possibility of upsetting Carrie, but this is about Amber.  Early on here Carrie's feelings were hurt and she cut off discussions online.  Also, asked family members not to discuss online either.   This was unfortunate I think.   Anyway, here are my thoughts. 

I have never agreed that Amber was a targeted sexual predator abduction.  Don't want to give all my reasons, I just do not think so.    Also, don't think the red truck was involved either.  What  kidnapper would pass up all the lonely kids walking to school, to go up to the school with obvious security cameras all around, go into a private parking lot in front of a camera, use their red, tricked out pickup, and drag Amber off?  Not being seen by anyone?   No, I doubt it. 

The eye witness sightings are questionable.  I remember g-mother drove the route and said she would not have been able to recognize Amber under those conditions.  Early, bad weather, hoodie up, ...    Maybe the cameras never picked up Amber because she was never there?  That is my guess.

What is left?  One is teen-agers and who knows what they would do.  Was one mad because her bf was showing interest in Amber?   Goody-two-shoes needed taken down a peg?  Or as we know they may just want to know what it feels like to ..... 'nuff said.

Fatal accident on the way to school? 

Witnessed a crime and had to be silenced?  Amber probably would be the type to report it and they knew that?


There were household burglaries in the area in that week?  Did she see them and get taken? 

Then there is everything to do with drugs and dealing that can be fatal. 

Anyway, I too hope that she ran away with an unknown bf and is leading a dreamy romantic life.     If so then, GO AMBER!



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on November 04, 2009, 04:40:19 PM
If it is the BF then, Amber please call home..

All good thoughts Chi Monkey. Anything is possible for sure as we appear to have almost nothing.
We do have an attempt to connect on a phone the next day..
Teen on teen violence is all to common these days, it could have been Amber or another person.
mo.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on November 04, 2009, 05:38:46 PM
If we start at the beginning yet again, perhaps we could find some new clues/ideas.  My first question is this:  when Carrie told Amber good-bye and left early for work, was Amber then alone in the house?

If she was alone, burglars could have struck and caught at home.  That has happened  in  my neighborhood when the burglars don't know kids are home because they have been trained not to answer the door when alone, so the thieves break on in.   I have read the crime reports for that time and neighborhood and believe this is possible.   

I really would like to know if little sister and Dave were still home when Carrie left, and if so did they also say good-bye to Amber, and did they see her leave for school?

Please, does anyone know this answer. 

Chi-M


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on November 04, 2009, 05:55:21 PM
If it is the BF then, Amber please call home..

All good thoughts Chi Monkey. Anything is possible for sure as we appear to have almost nothing.
We do have an attempt to connect on a phone the next day..
Teen on teen violence is all to common these days, it could have been Amber or another person.
mo.
 

Edward, I remember us pleading to know the exact tower to which the cell connected but did we ever get that answer?   Also, wasn't it too brief to triangulate?   Even if so, it is something.

I still contend this is the only "hard" information we have about Amber after she disappeared. 

Chi-M




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on November 05, 2009, 01:57:30 AM
If it is the BF then, Amber please call home..

All good thoughts Chi Monkey. Anything is possible for sure as we appear to have almost nothing.
We do have an attempt to connect on a phone the next day..
Teen on teen violence is all to common these days, it could have been Amber or another person.
mo.
 

Edward, I remember us pleading to know the exact tower to which the cell connected but did we ever get that answer?   Also, wasn't it too brief to triangulate?   Even if so, it is something.

I still contend this is the only "hard" information we have about Amber after she disappeared. 

Chi-M




Hi Chi-Monkey,
Do you know how I can get the moderators to delete lovin-life's email? Also, you have asked some really good questions. I called Carrie and she said she will come online and read them and respond to you.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on November 05, 2009, 02:06:42 AM
If it is the BF then, Amber please call home..

All good thoughts Chi Monkey. Anything is possible for sure as we appear to have almost nothing.
We do have an attempt to connect on a phone the next day..
Teen on teen violence is all to common these days, it could have been Amber or another person.
mo.
 

Edward, I remember us pleading to know the exact tower to which the cell connected but did we ever get that answer?   Also, wasn't it too brief to triangulate?   Even if so, it is something.

I still contend this is the only "hard" information we have about Amber after she disappeared. 

Chi-M




Hi Chi-Monkey,
Do you know how I can get the moderators to delete lovin-life's email? Also, you have asked some really good questions. I called Carrie and she said she will come online and read them and respond to you.

Hi Chi-Monkey,
I just thought that you should know that I met Carrie after Amber disappeared. I too, thought that perhaps Amber left on her own, maybe with a boyfriend. I know longer feel that way for many reasons, but the biggest reason is that I met one of Amber's best friends. You would have to know what Amber and her friends are like. They are quiet, good students, very young acting for their age. They are not street smart by any means, if you know what I mean. I grilled Amber's friend and she was very open and sweet. She said that Amber just was not interested in boys yet. She said it was almost as if Amber thought "they have cooties". I believe her. You would have to know the group that she hung around with to know what I mean. They are still in that gawky stage and are book smart but not life smart. They would never be the type to wear a provacative outfit or do drugs, etc. I hope this helps somewhat.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: AmbersMom on November 05, 2009, 05:18:44 AM
Everytime I type a long msg on this site, the site times out and I lose the whole thing!!
Chi I will answer your questions in the morning when I am awake!

Carrie


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on November 05, 2009, 09:10:13 AM
Hi Lovinglife,
Dave, Carrie's ex live in boyfriend does not have a storage space. Where are you?
I am here Sebastian.  Real life has been EXTREEMLY busy. Can you email me at xxxxxxxxxxxxx@live.com?  Thanks for checking that out.  Like I said, probably nothing. 

Chi-Monkey~I did not intentionally leave out Dave, I totally forgot about him when I asked the question. Sorry for any confusion.

No problem, I just wouldn't like to forget Dave.  As Edward could tell, I am both reading and taking notes. LOL

Chi-M



There is a link on lower right corner of each post "notifiy ...".  Just click that, or e-mail smklass@hotmail.com.  (Hope I  am remembering that right, but if not will a mod please remove this too)  Thanks.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on November 05, 2009, 09:21:48 AM
Well, I could not "report " to a mod from anything with my posting on it, so I backed way up to ask to remove the e-mail address.  Klass usually helps us with this kind of need to exchange e-mail addys off the forum.   

 



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on November 05, 2009, 09:35:37 AM
Everytime I type a long msg on this site, the site times out and I lose the whole thing!!
Chi I will answer your questions in the morning when I am awake!

Carrie

We know exactly how frustrating that is.   I wonder if we can write outside in notepad or something and paste it over.  On the other hand, if I write a long post because I'm all wound up, sometimes I take it as Gods way of saying "Chi... be quiet".  I have dug many a hole with my pointy tongue. 

Carrie am so glad to see you post again.  Please know that we do really want to help you any way we can.

Chi-M   


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on November 05, 2009, 09:55:41 AM
If it is the BF then, Amber please call home..

All good thoughts Chi Monkey. Anything is possible for sure as we appear to have almost nothing.
We do have an attempt to connect on a phone the next day..
Teen on teen violence is all to common these days, it could have been Amber or another person.
mo.
 

Edward, I remember us pleading to know the exact tower to which the cell connected but did we ever get that answer?   Also, wasn't it too brief to triangulate?   Even if so, it is something.

I still contend this is the only "hard" information we have about Amber after she disappeared. 

Chi-M




Hi Chi-Monkey,
Do you know how I can get the moderators to delete lovin-life's email? Also, you have asked some really good questions. I called Carrie and she said she will come online and read them and respond to you.

Hi Chi-Monkey,
I just thought that you should know that I met Carrie after Amber disappeared. I too, thought that perhaps Amber left on her own, maybe with a boyfriend. I know longer feel that way for many reasons, but the biggest reason is that I met one of Amber's best friends. You would have to know what Amber and her friends are like. They are quiet, good students, very young acting for their age. They are not street smart by any means, if you know what I mean. I grilled Amber's friend and she was very open and sweet. She said that Amber just was not interested in boys yet. She said it was almost as if Amber thought "they have cooties". I believe her. You would have to know the group that she hung around with to know what I mean. They are still in that gawky stage and are book smart but not life smart. They would never be the type to wear a provacative outfit or do drugs, etc. I hope this helps somewhat.

Thanks.  That's about what I thought about Amber and friends.  This is the age group I taught in the Loooooong Ago.   They are so cute and funny about then.  They can switch from child to young adult and back within one short conversation.  Sometimes within a sentence. lol
   
What they say and what they really think may be very different   I suspect Amber knew they did not "have cooties".   (At least not all the time.)

I don't really think she ran off with a new BF, just wishing she had.

Chi-M



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 05, 2009, 10:57:09 AM
Well, I could not "report " to a mod from anything with my posting on it, so I backed way up to ask to remove the e-mail address.  Klass usually helps us with this kind of need to exchange e-mail addys off the forum.   

 



I believe I edited the original post with the email addy and all the quoted posts following.  I thought I had gotten them all earlier but just saw that last one.

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on November 05, 2009, 11:49:13 AM
Well, I could not "report " to a mod from anything with my posting on it, so I backed way up to ask to remove the e-mail address.  Klass usually helps us with this kind of need to exchange e-mail addys off the forum.   

 



I believe I edited the original post with the email addy and all the quoted posts following.  I thought I had gotten them all earlier but just saw that last one.

Thank you so much!
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on November 05, 2009, 12:28:45 PM
I think knowing she wasn't street smart or experienced concerns me even more. Young girls can be taken in by older wiser men/boys very easily.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on November 05, 2009, 12:30:48 PM
Edward can I have klas send you my email? I would like to discuss something with you off the board if you don't mind.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on November 05, 2009, 12:37:08 PM
I think knowing she wasn't street smart or experienced concerns me even more. Young girls can be taken in by older wiser men/boys very easily.
I totally agree Tracygirl. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on November 05, 2009, 12:39:20 PM
I think knowing she wasn't street smart or experienced concerns me even more. Young girls can be taken in by older wiser men/boys very easily.
I totally agree Tracygirl. 

It is concerning isn't it? I didn't like reading that at all.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on November 05, 2009, 01:07:53 PM
Edward can I have klas send you my email? I would like to discuss something with you off the board if you don't mind.


Please do.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on November 05, 2009, 01:18:37 PM
Well, I could not "report " to a mod from anything with my posting on it, so I backed way up to ask to remove the e-mail address.  Klass usually helps us with this kind of need to exchange e-mail addys off the forum.   

 



I believe I edited the original post with the email addy and all the quoted posts following.  I thought I had gotten them all earlier but just saw that last one.


 

Thank you so much!

YW, sebastian.       ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on November 05, 2009, 02:23:33 PM
Edward can I have klas send you my email? I would like to discuss something with you off the board if you don't mind.


Please do.

Thanks Edward I sent Klaas an email to send you my email. At your convenience of course, please drop me a line and we can discuss some stuff.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on November 07, 2009, 02:41:12 PM
Was Amber alone in the house when she left for school?   If no then who was still there?

I realize that going back through all the posts is extremely time consuming, so here are some pertinent quotes:

_________________________________________________________________________

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63583

Where Is Amber Dubois?

______________________________________
    
Family of missing teen clings to hope
No new leads in case

Chris Nichols
North County Times
February 19, 2009

..

Amber's father and mother, along with the mother's boyfriend, all voluntarily
 took and passed polygraph tests, Escondido police Lt. Bob Benton said earlier
 this week. They have been ruled out as suspects, he said.

...

Garcia, the private investigator who said he has 17 years' experience, said
computers from both the mother's and father's homes are being searched by
authorities for any electronic clue the teen may have left.

He and Amber's father said the girl sent several text messages to her grandmother
and one to a friend before going to school Feb. 13. They said the messages did not
provide information about her whereabouts or seem suspicious.

The girl's cell phone was shut off shortly after the messages were sent,
Garcia added, noting police relayed information about the phone to the family.
The phone was turned back on once on Saturday afternoon when someone tried
unsuccessfully to access the phone's voicemail and then shut off again shortly
after, they said, adding no further readings from the phone have been retrieved.

_________________________________________________



http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_217413a6-8d0e-5cdd-a691-433ffa160967.html

Missing Escondido teen's Web activity focus of search warrants


TERI FIGUEROA - Staff Writer | Posted: Saturday, March 14, 2009 12:00 am |

....

In court documents obtained Friday by the North County Times, Escondido police
state that two of Amber's friends told a police detective Feb. 19 that the teenager
 had told each of them she had been spending time online talking to boys.

One of her friends told officers she tried to dissuade Amber from doing so,
"due to her type of conversations that Amber stated she was talking about and
the dangers associated with this behavior," according to the search warrant
affidavit from Escondido police Officer Damon Vander Vorst.


_______________________________________________________________________________

http://abcnews.go.com/m/screen?id=6940098&pid=81
...
One of Amber's classmates was the last person known to speak with Amber
the morning she disappeared.

Garcia, the private investigator, likened his hunch to something not "clicking."
He also pointed to a series of phone calls that showed up on Amber's cell phone
records. When he called that number, the young man on the other line, he said,
denied knowing the teen. But Garcia said he later found out the number reportedly
belonged to a boyfriend of Amber's friend.


Benton said they have interviewed Amber's friends several times, as well as other
students at the school, and will continue to keep in contact with them as part of
the investigation.

 ___________________________________________________________________


Monkeys, please help with this?  I am very concerned about Amber's phone and friends.   It does not seem unlikely to me that a teen who drives could stop by and offer Amber a ride to school, but take her elsewhere.   We cannot learn much about underage friends, but I hope LE has been pressed about the teenagers involved.   If all this has been settled, please tell me and I'll try to drop my questions.     Thanks.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: AmbersMom on November 08, 2009, 02:19:24 AM
Hi Chi, this better work. I took what I thought to be qestions from your last post. Just to be safe I answered everything in Word, and then copied it here. I answered in red.
Was Amber alone in the house when she left for school?

yes

Amber's father and mother, along with the mother's boyfriend, all voluntarily
took and passed polygraph tests, Escondido police Lt. Bob Benton said earlier
this week. They have been ruled out as suspects, he said.

No one knows what happened to Amber, so really no one has been ruled out completely.

Garcia, the private investigator who said he has 17 years' experience, said
computers from both the mother's and father's homes are being searched by
authorities for any electronic clue the teen may have left.

EPD, FBI and a few others have gone through the computers.

In court documents obtained Friday by the North County Times, Escondido police
state that two of Amber's friends told a police detective Feb. 19 that the teenager
had told each of them she had been spending time online talking to boys.

One of her friends told officers she tried to dissuade Amber from doing so,
"due to her type of conversations that Amber stated she was talking about and
the dangers associated with this behavior," according to the search warrant
affidavit from Escondido police Officer Damon Vander Vorst.

This was found not to be true.
...
One of Amber's classmates was the last person known to speak with Amber
the morning she disappeared. True

Garcia, the private investigator, likened his hunch to something not "clicking."
He also pointed to a series of phone calls that showed up on Amber's cell phone
records. When he called that number, the young man on the other line, he said,
denied knowing the teen. But Garcia said he later found out the number reportedly
belonged to a boyfriend of Amber's friend. This was further investigated, privately.

Benton said they have interviewed Amber's friends several times, as well as other
students at the school, and will continue to keep in contact with them as part of
the investigation. EPD has had continuous contact with Amber’s friends

Please feel free to ask whatever you like and don't worry about my feelings there is nothing that hurts more then this!

Carrie



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: AmbersMom on November 08, 2009, 03:13:51 AM
Why Are Our Children Vanishing?
Too many children and vanishing and parents need to take responsibility for the safety of their kids.

Los Angeles 11/02/2009 06:28 PM GMT (TransWorldNews)

 

By Lawrence Olmstead
Licensed Private Investigator


It seems as if more and more people are vanishing every day.  It’s always been a concern of parents, but now you cannot leave your children out of your site.  What has happened to our world?  I remember a time where you could go out in the front yard, hang out with the neighborhood kids and even go inside your friend’s house and make yourself at home.  Who is willing to let their kids play outside anywhere without keeping them within the distance of your voice?

The world has become a progressively more dangerous place for everyone, not just our children and it’s got to do with a few of the things we all depend on every day.

Parents – well, there are too few families that have biological parents raising the kids.  Most children are being raised by single mothers who have their hands full no matter how many children they have.  Where are all the men, where are the fathers?  Some have simply walked out and others want to be part of their child’s life, but if they can’t afford the child support, the single mom elects to keep the kids away from dad.  Who is left to protect the children?  Predators are everywhere and do you think a single parents household is prepared to protect the children?  Too many children are raising themselves due to lack of parental supervision for whatever reason and the predators are where you least expect them.

Schools – Teacher pedophiles!  Unbelievable how many stories are out there related to teachers being pedophiles and some are actually women, molesting young boys.  If you don’t believe me, click here and see all the results when you google search using the term teacher+pedophile.   It should make you sick.  The people we leave our children with who often spend more time with them than we do, are possibly gaining your child’s confidence and slowly working a strategy to molest them.  How do we allow this to happen?  Why can’t kids be safe at school?

Doctors – You would think you could trust your family doctor, but can you really?  Click her and see how many results you see when you google search doctor+pedophile.

Television Shows – Everything you see on television is sexually driven.  Everything from the news to music, movies, cartoons and obviously advertising.  In a society where sexuality is suppressed and exploited at the same time, what are the messages people receive?  I’m sure it’s different for everyone, but damaging none the less.  It all comes down to money when we talk about the media and that’s all that matters.  Children and adults are being desensitized to all things.  We no longer identify with people’s pain or feelings.  We see killings, mutilations, theft, rape and torture hundreds  of times a day on television if not thousands.  Is that what society really wants to see or is that all we have to choose from?

Video Games – Do you have any idea what’s going on with most video games our kids are playing?  I’ll tell you . . . they are killing everything that moves, they are encouraged to beat hookers and strippers, blow things up, run people over and steal cars.  This is a small segment of the things that video games are teaching kids.  How many hours a day do your kids play video games?

This is a brief glimpse into the picture of what is molding the minds of our future generations, not to mention that adult mind that is stimulated by the same things and acting out in violence, molestation, and murder.

I mention molestation and rape for one simple fact; most adults and children who are abducted, found dead or alive, are almost always the victim of a sexual assault.

I already can hear some readers complaining, “How can you blame the media for all the bad things people do to each other?”.  I don’t blame the media, I blame parents and the family structure.  No one can protect your kids better than you, if you care . . . stop being so selfish and pay attention to your kids.

Deterrence is the only way to protect your family from the pain of hearing your child is missing and once they have been found, if ever, you learned they were tortured,  repeatedly raped and murdered.  Pay attention to everything your children are interested in, learn what they do online, visit their teachers and coaches, see where their friends live and meet their friend’s  parents.  Don’t be afraid of being over protective.  If you feel uncomfortable with someone being around your child, take action and trust your instinct, it’s there for a reason.

Yes, I sound bitter and maybe I am.  I have investigated thousands of missing person cases and I’m reminded of what predators are in our society every day when I review the cases I’m involved with.  Most recently, the Amber Dubois case out of Escondido, California.  Amber is a 15 year old girl who vanished while walking to school on February 13, 2009.  I am searching to find the truth about what happened to this young girl.  As I look at the case and follow up on lead after lead, I realize there are only two or three people that know what happened to her and they won’t tell the truth.  The reason why is because there is a terrible truth behind what happened to Amber.

Protect your loved ones.  Know who they are coming into contact with and don’t be afraid to offend someone if you are not comfortable with what you are feeling.  If you can take your kids to school, do it.  Most children vanish on their way to school.  Pay attention to your surroundings, talk to your kids, listen to what they have to say.  Trust no one, not even family members.  You are responsible for protecting your family and for building a strong family unit that can attend to the needs and protection your family unit requires.  If you see something happening in your own family that is not right, tell someone, report it to law enforcement, don’t allow the worst to happen.

 

lawrence@hollywoodpi.info
www.hollywoodpi.info


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: MuffyBee on November 08, 2009, 08:26:40 AM
AmbersMom  :smt056  Thank you for coming here and answering the questions that were asked.  I'm praying your daughter will be found  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on November 08, 2009, 10:10:44 AM
Thanks to Carrie for the response.   Good luck.

Chi-M


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on November 08, 2009, 12:57:20 PM
Thank You Carrie for posting the letter by Lawrence Olmstead
He writes the words that the Nation as a whole needs to read and understand..





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on November 08, 2009, 02:08:46 PM
Why Are Our Children Vanishing?
Too many children and vanishing and parents need to take responsibility for the safety of their kids.

Los Angeles 11/02/2009 06:28 PM GMT (TransWorldNews)

 

By Lawrence Olmstead
Licensed Private Investigator


It seems as if more and more people are vanishing every day.  It’s always been a concern of parents, but now you cannot leave your children out of your site.  What has happened to our world?  I remember a time where you could go out in the front yard, hang out with the neighborhood kids and even go inside your friend’s house and make yourself at home.  Who is willing to let their kids play outside anywhere without keeping them within the distance of your voice?

The world has become a progressively more dangerous place for everyone, not just our children and it’s got to do with a few of the things we all depend on every day.

Parents – well, there are too few families that have biological parents raising the kids.  Most children are being raised by single mothers who have their hands full no matter how many children they have.  Where are all the men, where are the fathers?  Some have simply walked out and others want to be part of their child’s life, but if they can’t afford the child support, the single mom elects to keep the kids away from dad.  Who is left to protect the children?  Predators are everywhere and do you think a single parents household is prepared to protect the children?  Too many children are raising themselves due to lack of parental supervision for whatever reason and the predators are where you least expect them.

Schools – Teacher pedophiles!  Unbelievable how many stories are out there related to teachers being pedophiles and some are actually women, molesting young boys.  If you don’t believe me, click here and see all the results when you google search using the term teacher+pedophile.   It should make you sick.  The people we leave our children with who often spend more time with them than we do, are possibly gaining your child’s confidence and slowly working a strategy to molest them.  How do we allow this to happen?  Why can’t kids be safe at school?

Doctors – You would think you could trust your family doctor, but can you really?  Click her and see how many results you see when you google search doctor+pedophile.

Television Shows – Everything you see on television is sexually driven.  Everything from the news to music, movies, cartoons and obviously advertising.  In a society where sexuality is suppressed and exploited at the same time, what are the messages people receive?  I’m sure it’s different for everyone, but damaging none the less.  It all comes down to money when we talk about the media and that’s all that matters.  Children and adults are being desensitized to all things.  We no longer identify with people’s pain or feelings.  We see killings, mutilations, theft, rape and torture hundreds  of times a day on television if not thousands.  Is that what society really wants to see or is that all we have to choose from?

Video Games – Do you have any idea what’s going on with most video games our kids are playing?  I’ll tell you . . . they are killing everything that moves, they are encouraged to beat hookers and strippers, blow things up, run people over and steal cars.  This is a small segment of the things that video games are teaching kids.  How many hours a day do your kids play video games?

This is a brief glimpse into the picture of what is molding the minds of our future generations, not to mention that adult mind that is stimulated by the same things and acting out in violence, molestation, and murder.

I mention molestation and rape for one simple fact; most adults and children who are abducted, found dead or alive, are almost always the victim of a sexual assault.

I already can hear some readers complaining, “How can you blame the media for all the bad things people do to each other?”.  I don’t blame the media, I blame parents and the family structure.  No one can protect your kids better than you, if you care . . . stop being so selfish and pay attention to your kids.

Deterrence is the only way to protect your family from the pain of hearing your child is missing and once they have been found, if ever, you learned they were tortured,  repeatedly raped and murdered.  Pay attention to everything your children are interested in, learn what they do online, visit their teachers and coaches, see where their friends live and meet their friend’s  parents.  Don’t be afraid of being over protective.  If you feel uncomfortable with someone being around your child, take action and trust your instinct, it’s there for a reason.

Yes, I sound bitter and maybe I am.  I have investigated thousands of missing person cases and I’m reminded of what predators are in our society every day when I review the cases I’m involved with.  Most recently, the Amber Dubois case out of Escondido, California.  Amber is a 15 year old girl who vanished while walking to school on February 13, 2009.  I am searching to find the truth about what happened to this young girl.  As I look at the case and follow up on lead after lead, I realize there are only two or three people that know what happened to her and they won’t tell the truth.  The reason why is because there is a terrible truth behind what happened to Amber.

Protect your loved ones.  Know who they are coming into contact with and don’t be afraid to offend someone if you are not comfortable with what you are feeling.  If you can take your kids to school, do it.  Most children vanish on their way to school.  Pay attention to your surroundings, talk to your kids, listen to what they have to say.  Trust no one, not even family members.  You are responsible for protecting your family and for building a strong family unit that can attend to the needs and protection your family unit requires.  If you see something happening in your own family that is not right, tell someone, report it to law enforcement, don’t allow the worst to happen.

 

lawrence@hollywoodpi.info
www.hollywoodpi.info

I wish I knew how to bold! This is a great article. Having said that, I wonder who the two or three people are that are lying regarding Amber's case and what the terrible truth is? I wish he would have been more forth coming. The 9 month anniversary of Amber's disappearance is coming up and to my knowledge there are still not any leads. If Olmstead has something, he should come forward in my opinion!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: MuffyBee on November 08, 2009, 09:23:30 PM
OT ~  Sebastian, if you will go to the testing thread via the link I'm leaving, I've posted some directions on how to bold.  I hope you can understand them.  Someone may even come along and give better directions  ::MonkeyWink::  But go to the link, and give it a try.  Practice.  I will check back in over there later on, maybe tomorrow or next day, depending if you get time to fool with it.  Good luck.  Muffy

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=114.msg1008880#msg1008880


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on November 08, 2009, 09:56:12 PM
Snipped from Ambermom's posting
In court documents obtained Friday by the North County Times, Escondido police
state that two of Amber's friends told a police detective Feb. 19 that the teenager
had told each of them she had been spending time online talking to boys.

One of her friends told officers she tried to dissuade Amber from doing so,
"due to her type of conversations that Amber stated she was talking about and
the dangers associated with this behavior," according to the search warrant
affidavit from Escondido police Officer Damon Vander Vorst.

This was found not to be true.


Interesting, so the friends lied to LE about this? Or amber lied to her friends about this? Also, one of Ambers friends had a boyfriend? I thought they didn't like boys yet? Isn't that what I read?


Sebatian I had the same question as you when I read that. Seemed like it was saying a lot without saying anything. 2 or 3 people? Not 1, hmmm. An ugly truth? Child trafficking, child porn or prostitution? Drug running? Which ugly truth because there are many! 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on November 08, 2009, 11:57:30 PM
OT ~  Sebastian, if you will go to the testing thread via the link I'm leaving, I've posted some directions on how to bold.  I hope you can understand them.  Someone may even come along and give better directions  ::MonkeyWink::  But go to the link, and give it a try.  Practice.  I will check back in over there later on, maybe tomorrow or next day, depending if you get time to fool with it.  Good luck.  Muffy

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=114.msg1008880#msg1008880

Thank you so much Muffy!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on November 09, 2009, 12:04:35 AM
Snipped from Ambermom's posting
In court documents obtained Friday by the North County Times, Escondido police
state that two of Amber's friends told a police detective Feb. 19 that the teenager
had told each of them she had been spending time online talking to boys.

One of her friends told officers she tried to dissuade Amber from doing so,
"due to her type of conversations that Amber stated she was talking about and
the dangers associated with this behavior," according to the search warrant
affidavit from Escondido police Officer Damon Vander Vorst.

This was found not to be true.


Interesting, so the friends lied to LE about this? Or amber lied to her friends about this? Also, one of Ambers friends had a boyfriend? I thought they didn't like boys yet? Isn't that what I read?


Sebatian I had the same question as you when I read that. Seemed like it was saying a lot without saying anything. 2 or 3 people? Not 1, hmmm. An ugly truth? Child trafficking, child porn or prostitution? Drug running? Which ugly truth because there are many! 

Hi Tracygirl!
I know that Amber's friend and Carrie both have told me that Amber was not talking online to boys and that it was a rumor. I need to ask Carrie if one of Amber's friends had a boyfriend because that keeps coming up and I too thought they did not. I am pretty sure that Amber's close friends were not dating, it may be someone who was an acquaintance. I have no idea what Olmstead was alluding too. In my opinion his wording implies personal knowledge of what may have happened to Amber. Two or three people? An ugly truth? This is bizarre in my opinion especially in light of the fact that Friday we will be meeting in front of City Hall in Escondido for Amber's nine month vigil. If Olmstead knows something, speak up for crying out loud!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on November 09, 2009, 06:25:05 PM
I did not read the Lawrence letter proper...

Quote: Snip:
Yes, I sound bitter and maybe I am.  I have investigated thousands of missing person cases and I’m reminded of what predators are in our society every day when I review the cases I’m involved with.  Most recently, the Amber Dubois case out of Escondido, California.  Amber is a 15 year old girl who vanished while walking to school on February 13, 2009.  I am searching to find the truth about what happened to this young girl.  As I look at the case and follow up on lead after lead, I realize there are only two or three people that know what happened to her and they won’t tell the truth.  The reason why is because there is a terrible truth behind what happened to Amber.

Lawrence...
 A drawn conclusion that may or may not be true but in my humble opinion it should not include any thought of accusation against the family members of Amber.
 We here have investigated quite a few missing person cases at Scared Monkeys, Web Sleuths and Blogs for Natalee as well as some other sites.. We have years of experience now since we began doing this.
 It is my humble opinion that this family of Amber is one of the most loving and concerned familes we have ever come across. ALL members are maimed by this loss, even though injured from this terrible loss, they are all diligent in there efforts to find Amber. Each one of them has there own way.. Yet ALL of them are dedicated in there effort to find thier child.. ALL
 This is not the child of Lawrence and it is very easy for people who are not directly connected to the loss of a loved one to make calus accusations and innuendos at family members when they become frustrated.
In the end I am sure you will see Ambers situation has nothing to do Carrie or Moe or Grandmom or the sister.
 It is not in good investigative form to make such a claim unless you have a smoking gun as we did with Casey in Florida. The mothers car had the evidence for such an accusation.
 There is no smoking gun in this case and ANYTHING is possible and I do believe that one or more of Ambers friends holds the key clue to solving this case..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on November 09, 2009, 09:44:26 PM
Edward this man was speaking in reference to the family? I honestly didn't read it that way. If he indeed was, then I certainly do not agree with that claim at all! I don't think they have anything to do with Amber being missing. As I read it again I can see he could be referring to the family. Maybe he believes they did her in and disposed of her? Of course if that was the case why on earth would they try day after day to find her and keep her story out there?

I took it as there was some kind of group that took her, maybe a friends parent or a person she came in to contact with, they had a few people involved. You are right, unless there is a smoking gun, the family should be taken out of it. It is so easy for people to simply point to the family and as you made reference to, without cause. It is wrong, simply wrong and in this case, there is no cause to point at the family. 



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on November 09, 2009, 11:01:11 PM
I did not read the Lawrence letter proper...

Quote: Snip:
Yes, I sound bitter and maybe I am.  I have investigated thousands of missing person cases and I’m reminded of what predators are in our society every day when I review the cases I’m involved with.  Most recently, the Amber Dubois case out of Escondido, California.  Amber is a 15 year old girl who vanished while walking to school on February 13, 2009.  I am searching to find the truth about what happened to this young girl.  As I look at the case and follow up on lead after lead, I realize there are only two or three people that know what happened to her and they won’t tell the truth.  The reason why is because there is a terrible truth behind what happened to Amber.

Lawrence...
 A drawn conclusion that may or may not be true but in my humble opinion it should not include any thought of accusation against the family members of Amber.
 We here have investigated quite a few missing person cases at Scared Monkeys, Web Sleuths and Blogs for Natalee as well as some other sites.. We have years of experience now since we began doing this.
 It is my humble opinion that this family of Amber is one of the most loving and concerned familes we have ever come across. ALL members are maimed by this loss, even though injured from this terrible loss, they are all diligent in there efforts to find Amber. Each one of them has there own way.. Yet ALL of them are dedicated in there effort to find thier child.. ALL
 This is not the child of Lawrence and it is very easy for people who are not directly connected to the loss of a loved one to make calus accusations and innuendos at family members when they become frustrated.
In the end I am sure you will see Ambers situation has nothing to do Carrie or Moe or Grandmom or the sister.
 It is not in good investigative form to make such a claim unless you have a smoking gun as we did with Casey in Florida. The mothers car had the evidence for such an accusation.
 There is no smoking gun in this case and ANYTHING is possible and I do believe that one or more of Ambers friends holds the key clue to solving this case..

Hi Edward!
I sure as heck hope that Lawrence is not pointing the finger at any of Amber's family members! I have spent hours upon hours going over things with Carrie. Carrie gets up early, gets her youngest child to school, goes to work, gets off work, picks her youngest child up from school, spends the remainder of the evening with her youngest child until she goes to bed and then Carrie proceeds to spend many, many more hours following up on clues for Amber. She answers emails, checks in with LE, etc etc sometimes until 4 in the morning. Then she gets back up in the morning and does it all again. I am a night owl, so I usually talk to Carrie in the wee hours. Carrie and Moe have not been together since Amber was about 2. Carrie and Dave are no longer together. There is no way that Carrie, Moe and Dave all got together and did something to Amber.  For what possible reason? That is too rediculous! Moe lives in Orange County. Carrie and Dave live in Escondido, now seperately. Carrie puts on a brave face every single day to go out and face another day hoping that day will be the one that she will get good news about Amber. She also tries desperately to keep things as normal for her younger child as possible.

Tracygirl,
One of Amber's close friends did have a boyfriend. I don't think it was very serious though in light of the fact that he lives at least 2 hours away and neither Amber's friend nor the boy drive. Carrie has had the situation looked into. Carrie has had pretty much EVERY possible situation looked into by LE. She has had them check her friends, Amber's friends and on and on and on. It is so very frustrating!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on November 10, 2009, 12:37:10 AM
snipped from the post above,

Carrie has had pretty much EVERY possible situation looked into by LE. She has had them check her friends, Amber's friends and on and on and on. It is so very frustrating!

Sebastian, someone is missing something because Amber has not been found yet. Brainstorming this case, in my opinion, is still needed.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on November 10, 2009, 01:07:19 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3583.0

Anyone read this story? Thought I would post it. The dates are off, I think they would have been in jail when Amber went missing but sometimes these things are a ring and more then a few people are involved.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on November 10, 2009, 08:45:10 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3583.0

Anyone read this story? Thought I would post it. The dates are off, I think they would have been in jail when Amber went missing but sometimes these things are a ring and more then a few people are involved.

Hi Tracygirl,
This is an interesting story! If someone took Amber to try to force her into prostitution, I would not even begin to know where to look.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on November 10, 2009, 01:22:48 PM
Hi everyone..
I was not sure if people were taking what Lawrence had written as an attack on the family..
I am happy to read that people do not.

I hit a key on my keyboard and the damn thing posted.. So it came out rough and I would have cleaned it up and made it sound sweet.. But as it is here at scared monkeys, when you post, you had better had it right the first time because you have no way to correct yourself.  ::MonkeyJnBox::
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on November 10, 2009, 11:19:18 PM
If it is the BF then, Amber please call home..

All good thoughts Chi Monkey. Anything is possible for sure as we appear to have almost nothing.
We do have an attempt to connect on a phone the next day..
Teen on teen violence is all to common these days, it could have been Amber or another person.
mo.
 

Edward, I remember us pleading to know the exact tower to which the cell connected but did we ever get that answer?   Also, wasn't it too brief to triangulate?   Even if so, it is something.

I still contend this is the only "hard" information we have about Amber after she disappeared. 

Chi-M




It seems to me (as I recall, I could be wrong) that they based their door to door search on distance from that call. Anyone remember?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on November 11, 2009, 01:12:03 AM
If it is the BF then, Amber please call home..

All good thoughts Chi Monkey. Anything is possible for sure as we appear to have almost nothing.
We do have an attempt to connect on a phone the next day..
Teen on teen violence is all to common these days, it could have been Amber or another person.
mo.
 

Edward, I remember us pleading to know the exact tower to which the cell connected but did we ever get that answer?   Also, wasn't it too brief to triangulate?   Even if so, it is something.

I still contend this is the only "hard" information we have about Amber after she disappeared. 

Chi-M




It seems to me (as I recall, I could be wrong) that they based their door to door search on distance from that call. Anyone remember?


I remember that the cellphone ping was from North Escondido. I will ask Carrie if she knows more or is allowed to disclose more if she does.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on November 11, 2009, 10:51:59 PM
Hi everyone..
I was not sure if people were taking what Lawrence had written as an attack on the family..
I am happy to read that people do not.

I hit a key on my keyboard and the damn thing posted.. So it came out rough and I would have cleaned it up and made it sound sweet.. But as it is here at scared monkeys, when you post, you had better had it right the first time because you have no way to correct yourself.  ::MonkeyJnBox::
 

I did take it as an attack on the family. Specifically this part>>>"No one can protect your kids better than you, if you care . . . stop being so selfish and pay attention to your kids."

And what L. said makes me mad.  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on November 13, 2009, 12:53:51 AM
Hi everyone..
I was not sure if people were taking what Lawrence had written as an attack on the family..
I am happy to read that people do not.

I hit a key on my keyboard and the damn thing posted.. So it came out rough and I would have cleaned it up and made it sound sweet.. But as it is here at scared monkeys, when you post, you had better had it right the first time because you have no way to correct yourself.  ::MonkeyJnBox::
 

I did take it as an attack on the family. Specifically this part>>>"No one can protect your kids better than you, if you care . . . stop being so selfish and pay attention to your kids."

And what L. said makes me mad.  ::MonkeyMad::

Well, all I can say to Mr. Olmstead is he better not be directing his remarks to anyone in Amber's family. She was not allowed a myspace or facebook account, like so many teenagers. She got great grades, and was involved with 4-H, did not do drugs or dress inappropriately. She loves animals and from all accounts is an all around well-balanced teen. This would indicate to me and many others that Amber's family was anything BUT selfish and THEY DID pay attention to Amber!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on November 14, 2009, 02:03:22 AM

Post #1
2 repliesAaron Lloyd Brummett (Indiana) wroteon March 11, 2009 at 3:31pm
Please give this email to someone who understand technical jargon (computer stuff).
This email is about 10 pages long!
Might be useful, might not be useful...


On youtube...

.

Someone posted a video about Amber, and then took it down...

the thumbnail was still there, at the time, and I was able to find it in a youtube search engine. Well, naturally curious, I downloaded the photo thumbnail. This person also has been commenting with all the other anonymous people on youtube. The thumbnail included a photo shot of a search engine which included the letters and word "search D D Y"

Someone also suggested I use a physic...

Well, I put the two together. DD meant "Dream Diaries" and Y meant the reason why.

Dream Diaries is simply a place online where people, or a person post diaries about stuff they seen in their dreams.

I do not believe in supernatural stuff or anything… but perhaps this person just happened to be right on this one person.

The posting claimed Amber was safe are in Tijuana Mexico. OK, that explained the “D D” part of the post.

Now for the “Y” portion.

People claiming to be friends of Amber have been correcting me on my theories which I post on youtube… by stating for sure, with 100% certainty of what Amber did not do and what did not happen to Amber. Each post comes from a unique user.

...also, the videos I posted on youtube allow me to see the demographic locations of users who view my videos.





One theory none of her friends will dispute is that Amber had some sort of cruel prank played on her on Valentine’s Day.

No one has yet to dispute the possibility that a friend borrowed someone’s phone to play this prank.







Now on the more computer jargon about the video views.

On the 7th, 8th and 9th of March, someone was giving me clue from Mexico…

Views for the video “Amber Dubois Missing: why was her cell phone turned on”

Some came from Mexico. More views came from Canada… which seems strange. I can’t see why someone in Canada would be interested in Amber. But there are certainly people in Canada and Mexico interested in Amber.



A day later, when I posted a video asking if Amber was in Mexico…

It quickly got marked as spam, and “thumbs down” and I had to take it down.

The video became very unpopular…



Amber’s friends are so sure of what Amber did not do… they are very quick to strike down certain theories I initially had about Amber, but not other theories I still have. Also, they were able to provide me with some details I could not easily get from news sources (at the time).





Now on to more technical jargon about the youtube account I created.

Youtube allows me to see a lot of things about the people who view any videos I post online.

Now I mentioned a few things earlier in this letter.

Some video views came from Mexico. More views came from Canada… which seems strange. I can’t see why someone in Canada would be interested in Amber. But there are certainly people in Canada and Mexico interested in Amber.

The only states in America that seem to be interested at

#1 Indiana,

#2 Florida

#3 California

#4 New Jersey (current)

#5 Michigan.

$6 New York (recent)

And one or two views in Texas…

But Canada and Mexico make up about 40% of my total views!

The next few pages are full of technical computer jargon!













































Views from Canada: title of video followed by percentage.



“Just wanting AMBER LEEANNE DUBOIS home!”

19%

http://insight.youtube.com/video-analytics/static/ifp/clear.cache.gif

http://insight.youtube.com/video-analytics/static/ifp/clear.cache.gif

“AMBER LEEANNE DUBOIS: Leave a tip/ use a payphone... or craiglist”

19%

http://insight.youtube.com/video-analytics/static/ifp/clear.cache.gif

http://insight.youtube.com/video-analytics/static/ifp/clear.cache.gif

“AMBER LEEANNE DUBOIS: a pitch for the angels”

19%

http://insight.youtube.com/video-analytics/static/ifp/clear.cache.gif

http://insight.youtube.com/video-analytics/static/ifp/clear.cache.gif

“Amber Dubois Missing... Why was her cell phone turned on & voice mail checked”

6.3%

http://insight.youtube.com/video-analytics/static/ifp/clear.cache.gif

http://insight.youtube.com/video-analytics/static/ifp/clear.cache.gif

“AMBER LEEANNE DUBOIS is Missing”

6.3%

http://insight.youtube.com/video-analytics/static/ifp/clear.cache.gif

http://insight.youtube.com/video-analytics/static/ifp/clear.cache.gif

“AMBER LEEANNE DUBOIS : which cyber stalker internet junkie can find her first?”

6.3%

http://insight.youtube.com/video-analytics/static/ifp/clear.cache.gif

http://insight.youtube.com/video-analytics/static/ifp/clear.cache.gif

“AMBER LEEANNE DUBOIS loves horses, animal, and her family”

6.3%

http://insight.youtube.com/video-analytics/static/ifp/clear.cache.gif

http://insight.youtube.com/video-analytics/static/ifp/clear.cache.gif

“AMBER LEEANNE DUBOIS missing children 2009 Escondido”

6.3

http://insight.youtube.com/video-analytics/static/ifp/clear.cache.gif

http://insight.youtube.com/video-analytics/static/ifp/clear.cache.gif

“Amber Dubois: someone knows something...”

6.3

http://insight.youtube.com/video-analytics/static/ifp/clear.cache.gif

http://insight.youtube.com/video-analytics/static/ifp/clear.cache.gif

sixty thousand dollars for return of missing teen! Amber Dubois

6.3

http://insight.youtube.com/video-analytics/static/ifp/clear.cache.gif

http://insight.youtube.com/video-analytics/static/ifp/clear.cache.gif

Most views were by “unique users” who kept visiting… not random views.

2nd, 3rd, 4th, of this month, and again on the 7th, 8th, and 9th of this month.





Now let’s look at Mexico… where someone gave me some really good information about Ambers cell phone (title of video followed by percentage of views from that location)



“Amber Dubois Missing... Why was her cell phone turned on & voice mail checked”

100%

http://insight.youtube.com/video-analytics/static/ifp/clear.cache.gif

http://insight.youtube.com/video-analytics/static/ifp/clear.cache.gifAll views were on the 7th, 8th, and 9th of this month…







Now this strikes me as a little odd!

Why is someone is Mexico viewing these vids, and how do they know so much?









































The video views for America are more complex…

Unique users are the majority… and keeping replaying the same videos…

There are hardly any random viewers…

Most of these I bet are friends of Amber.

For the video

“Amber Dubois Missing... Why was her cell phone turned on & voice mail”.



New Jersey shows up as a hot spot…

So does California.

60 % of views are from unique users from California..

About %40 from New Jersey

And about 20% are unique users from Indiana.



Now for the video

“Amber Dubois Missing... Why was her cell phone turned on & voice mail”

I get the exact same statistics…





For the third most popular video…

“AMBER LEEANNE DUBOIS: a pitch for the angels”…

Its sort of a mess.

Most everyone is a unique user in each location



California having about 5 unique users every other day since March 2nd…

Texas having unique views on on the 1st and 2nd of March

The same is true for Indiana on those specific days.



Michigan gets most of the unique hits on the 2nd of March…

New Mexico gets all of its hits on the 3rd of March…

New York gets most unique hits on the 3rd, 4th (most) and then again on the 8th and 9th of March…



Now New Jersey is getting all the unique user hits…

7th, 8th, 9th and 11th is unusually high!



Conclusion:

It’s like the unique views keeps switching locations across America!
If and only if it were the same unique user... then someone is traveling!
Like if someone were driving or moving by train!



If you have trouble understanding the Jargon...
email me
!

Of course... the user data at Youtube is not 100% reliable!

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Post #2Stephanie Evans Lowe wroteon March 11, 2009 at 6:02pm
Im not done reading this post but just had to stop and say that Amber has family in Canada, in fact the woman who created this Facebook, I belive is Canadian. Thats why Canadians would be interested in her :)Report
Post #3
1 replyStephanie Evans Lowe wroteon March 11, 2009 at 6:11pm
I get the jargon, for the most part. What exactly constitutes someone as a "unique" user on youtube vs. a regular user?

I am owndering if Amber has family in those states with high viewing rates? If it were my out of state family member gone missing you better believe id be googling and youtubing their name! But the Mexico thing...that is strange. Im only like 20 minutes from Escondido and I dont see flyers or hear anything about her here, how would anyone in Mexico? UNLESS...its an American living in Mexico (lots of them do!) and it hit home with them...and their following up?

BUt I think its awesome that your keeping tabs on the users, keep that up! You never knkow what you might stumble upon. Im gonna go check out your videos so you'll likley have another hit from Cali!! =]Report
Post #4Licia Hutt (Halifax, NS) replied to Stephanie's poston March 12, 2009 at 10:50am
Stephanie do you know what part of Canada?Report
Post #5Licia Hutt (Halifax, NS) replied to Aaron's poston March 12, 2009 at 10:50am
Very interesting!Report
Post #6Aaron Lloyd Brummett (Indiana) wroteon March 12, 2009 at 11:37am
A unique user is someone who watches the same video over and over again.
A random user watches it once.
Most people will watch a video only once... not five or ten times.
On certain days, the unique users were from specific states...

The trail ends in New Jersey... and remains in New Jersey.

The unique user hit each state on a specific date.

The Mexico signal threw me off to...

Could all be a coincidence.

Family in Canada huh.

Well, it would do me no good to keep track of information now that I have posted this info.

It's impossible for me to draw any real conclusions anyway...
But I think Amber's friends are going to present an idea to Amber's immediate family about how to gain more useful tips. (Can't really talk about it)

On youtube, I originally posted several theories... which either got a response, or thumbs down.
there seems to be more 'anonymous" positive response to the prank theory.

I am still leaning more towards the prank theory at this point.
as in, one played at Amber's expense.
there was a facebook account for an Amber Leeanne Dubois... in which, neither Amber nor any of her friends had any photos... leading me to believe that the person who made all the accounts might be the same individual... and I do not believe Amber made the account..
in fact, the account could be a left over element of a prank played on Amber.
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Post #7Stephanie Evans Lowe wroteon March 12, 2009 at 2:39pm
Licia...if you go back to the main page of this facebook page for Amber, on the right hand side click on ADMIN and you will sethe admintrators of this account and i think it tells where in Canada they are. Amber had actually flown to Canada and spent time with family there at some point.

Aaron...what kind of "prank"? I have teens and i know they can be up to no good sometimes and jokesters but Im just trying to understand what kind of a prank involves kidnapping? I guess there are 2 theories when it commes to the friends/classmates. A prank gone bad or straight out hatefulness.

Makes me wonder if the cops have eliminated other kids who were at first period that day. Logically speaking, they could look at attendance and the social circles that overlapped her own and try to go from there.Report
Post #8Aaron Lloyd Brummett (Indiana) wroteon March 13, 2009 at 8:00pm
UPDATE: ON THE YOUTUBE SIDE.
\`13-17 almost 50%... all female.
18-24 & 25-34 10% evenly split between male and female
35-44 40%, almost all female
55-64 , 5%, ALL OF THEM MALE

Unique views went down to zero after I posted this info two days ago. There are no more unique views. Not one since then!

March 2nd,3rd, 5th, Michigan
March 3rd, New Mexico.. Unique views on most videos
March 3,4th,, Texas...
March 4th,9th, Minnesota
March 6th, Utah
March 3rd, 4th, 5th,6th, 7th, 8th,9th, New York (with the most views and most recent)
March 7th, 8th,9th, new Jersey
March 2nd, 3rd, 8th, Canada,

After posting my demographic info on facebook..
the unique views went down from 20% of all views to ZERO as of March 11th!
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Post #9Stephanie Evans Lowe wroteon March 17, 2009 at 7:40pm
But the only way for the unique users to have viewed what you posted here is if they themselves are members of this group, right? Report
Post #10Mike Lewis replied to Aaron's poston March 18, 2009 at 8:47pm
Aaron - the Valentine's Day theory is an interesting theory. Where did you hear of this theory? Have the cops pursued this idea? ReportCreate an Ad
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Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on November 14, 2009, 02:04:33 AM
This guy had some interesting statistics. I wonder why he stopped in March?


Today is the 9th month that Amber has been missing ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on November 18, 2009, 07:21:17 PM
Teens.. 2 very currant stories of teens violent on other teens or younger..

They look innocent and not capable of murder, yet they plan and execute.
Reasons ? just because they wanted to kill somebody.
No Reason.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091118/ap_on_re_us/us_missouri_girl_slain

http://**/ci_13807737?source=most_viewed


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on November 18, 2009, 10:16:32 PM
This guy had some interesting statistics. I wonder why he stopped in March?


Today is the 9th month that Amber has been missing ::MonkeyMad::

 ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on November 18, 2009, 10:27:30 PM
Teens.. 2 very currant stories of teens violent on other teens or younger..

They look innocent and not capable of murder, yet they plan and execute.
Reasons ? just because they wanted to kill somebody.
No Reason.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091118/ap_on_re_us/us_missouri_girl_slain

http://**/ci_13807737?source=most_viewed

This is getting to me again. I do not think these horrible events happened in my youth. But did they? Did they happen and it was not reported and it was before the days of instant information? What happened to Amber could have happened to anyone, even our own family. I just know that if I were Amber's family it must be an unspeakable, indescribable pain and my heart breaks and goes out to you all. God give us some comfort in these times.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on November 18, 2009, 11:21:40 PM
Teens.. 2 very currant stories of teens violent on other teens or younger..

They look innocent and not capable of murder, yet they plan and execute.
Reasons ? just because they wanted to kill somebody.
No Reason.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091118/ap_on_re_us/us_missouri_girl_slain

http://**/ci_13807737?source=most_viewed

This is getting to me again. I do not think these horrible events happened in my youth. But did they? Did they happen and it was not reported and it was before the days of instant information? What happened to Amber could have happened to anyone, even our own family. I just know that if I were Amber's family it must be an unspeakable, indescribable pain and my heart breaks and goes out to you all. God give us some comfort in these times.

Hi All,
I think these things may have happened when we were young but were hushed up. We also did not have the internet or national news etc. It is so tragic and horrible. I start getting depressed about the state of our society and then I remember world history. Virginal sacrifices, impalings, horrific religious wars. I think we truly have come a long way for the better although sometimes it may not seem that way. The biggest negative right now in my opinion? The lack of the family unit. So many kids are being raised by only one parent and unfortunately are left to fend for themselves most of the time. With this follows the lack of parental supervision and the like. It takes two people to have a child and both parents need to remain involved regardless of the marital situation. JMO


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: AmbersMom on November 21, 2009, 09:55:26 AM
Hi Monkey's,

Sorry I haven't posted in awhile been real busy. The last couple of weeks I have been working on a mass mailer and on the 12th it was complete and mailed.
One morning I woke up with this idea; why not create a unique one of kind mailer, that would go to every LE agency nationwide. We mailed it to 27,000 LE agencies.
 
The mailer turned out awesome, just like my Amber! Let's pray it brings Amber home!

See attached.

Carrie


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: AmbersMom on November 21, 2009, 09:58:05 AM
The mailer is 2 pages.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on November 21, 2009, 02:24:10 PM
Very nice flyer Ambersmom.. Everyone should take a look .. If not here is the context of the writing on the Flyer.


To All Law Enforcement Agencies:
This mailer is being distributed to all law enforcement agencies in the nation. It was created and distributed by the family of Amber Leeanne
Dubois in an effort to raise awareness regarding her disappearance and ultimately to help locate her. We do not have information that
Amber Dubois is in your jurisdiction, but we ask that you share this information with your officers and support staff to help bring her home.
Amber Dubois, then 14 years old, disappeared while walking to school on February 13, 2009. The Escondido Police Department with the
assistance of the FBI, NCMEC and countless other agencies, have dedicated thousands of hours to help locate her without success. As the
Police Chief of the Escondido Police Department, I ask that you share this information with your patrol officers and investigators, as well as
anyone else who may help locate her.
Amber Dubois’ disappearance has been featured in the national and local media, on the internet and overseas. The investigators of
the case have followed up on over eleven-hundred tips resulting in the recovery of a number of unrelated missing girls. There currently
is a $100,000 reward for information leading to Amber’s whereabouts, $60,000 has been offered by the family in conjunction to $40,000
approved by California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. Please take the time to distribute this mailer and help us and the family find
Amber.
Please photocopy the poster and wallet cards in this mailer for distribution. Thank you.
Chief Jim Maher
For Additional Information please contact,
Lt. Bob Benton
Escondido Police Department, Escondido, CA
General: 760 839-4722 Direct: 760 839-4700
rbenton@escondido.org


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on November 21, 2009, 05:13:50 PM
Hi Monkey's,

Sorry I haven't posted in awhile been real busy. The last couple of weeks I have been working on a mass mailer and on the 12th it was complete and mailed.
One morning I woke up with this idea; why not create a unique one of kind mailer, that would go to every LE agency nationwide. We mailed it to 27,000 LE agencies.
 
The mailer turned out awesome, just like my Amber! Let's pray it brings Amber home!

See attached.

Carrie


This is a great flyer and a great idea! 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on November 21, 2009, 05:15:07 PM
Homeless men accused of child rape in Gilroy California   

Gilroy, California - The Mercury News has reported that two homeless men, one 49, the other 29, are accused of robbing and raping a 13 year old girl. The three allegedly met at Christmas Hill Park on Wednesday evening.

Police say that the men gave the teenager intoxicants. Then they sexually assaulted her several times. The girl managed to escape and get help.

She later identified the suspects, one of whom was found with the girl's property.

Both men are currently being held in the Santa Clara County Jail. If convicted of the charges they now face, they could receive a life-sentence.

This is not the first time in recent history that a California teenage girl has been assaulted after receiving drugs or alcohol from older men.

Many believe that alcohol and other drugs should be strongly associated with sexual assault, and that young women should be told from an early age that when an older man gives you alcohol or drugs, he is typically after nothing good.

The victim was treated at a medical facility. People across the nation hope she is doing well and recovers quickly.


http://www.duiattorney.com/news/6184-homeless-men-accused-of-child-rape-in-gilroy-california


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on November 21, 2009, 05:17:54 PM
Teen Stabbed At Kit Carson Park
November 20, 2009
ESCONDIDO, Calif. -- A 14-year-old boy was hospitalized Friday after a man in Escondido twice stabbed him in the upper body, police said.

Officers were called to San Pasqual High School around 3:15 p.m. Thursday to investigate the stabbing, according to Escondido police Lt. Bob Benton.

Witnesses told officers the teen was across the street at Kit Carson Park when he was confronted by a young man.

 

"There was an unknown disagreement between the two, and the suspect suddenly stabbed the victim," Benton said in a statement.

Witnesses saw the man drive away in a white pickup truck with a lumber rack and landscaping tools in the back, according to the lieutenant. Police described the man as Hispanic, around 20 years, with a thin build and a mustache.

The teen was taken to Palomar Medical Center. The extent of his injuries was not immediately reported.

The stabbing was being investigated by the Escondido Police Department's Crimes of Violence Unit.

Police asked anyone with information to call Detective Greg Clark at 760-839-4450 or San Diego County Crime Stoppers at 888-580-TIPS. Tipsters can remain anonymous.

http://www.10news.com/news/21672746/detail.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on November 21, 2009, 05:20:25 PM
Are they looking for clues on Amber while these sweeps are being conducted?


ESCONDIDO: Police sweep targeted known criminals
56 people arrested, five illegal immigrants handed over to ICE

In an effort to reduce crime in the city, Escondido police led a multiagency operation over the weekend to arrest people on a wide range of charges.

Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter said part of the reason behind the action was to get people off the street now who might commit crimes during the holidays. Authorities went after people sought by various agencies and checked for violations by those on parole.

Authorities arrested 56 people, including five illegal immigrants who were turned over to federal immigration agents to be deported.

"A lot of this was to check probation compliance," Carter said Tuesday.

Although there is no sure-fire way to know who will commit crimes, Carter said, these are the people who "often commit crimes in and around the holidays."

The operation, called Clean Sweep, included members of the Sheriff's Department, County Probation, the California Department of Corrections, state Alcohol Beverage Control, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the Regional Auto Theft Task Force.

On Friday and Saturday, between 4 p.m. and 2 a.m., about 100 officers fanned out, checking on people for various warrants and violations, Escondido police said.

Of the 56 people caught during the sweep, 22 had warrants out for their arrest, seven were arrested on prostitution-related charges, four were arrested for possession of methamphetamine and the rest were arrested on charges including robbery, drinking in public and drunken driving.

Lauren Mack, a spokeswoman for ICE in San Diego, said Tuesday that the five individuals who were suspected of being in the country illegally were in the process of being deported. Those individuals had only minor or no criminal charges against them other than entering the country illegally, Mack said.

"We took them because they were illegally present," Mack said.

During the sweep, officers conducted 125 interviews and issued 74 citations, police said. Twenty-two vehicles were impounded and one stolen car was recovered. Four parking citations were issued.

More than 100 probation and warrant enforcement checks were conducted, including 13 registered sex offenders, police said.

Carter said the department has conducted similar operations in the past and would likely do them more often in the future.

In January 2008, a sweep focusing on gang members netted 16 people in Escondido. They were arrested on various felony and misdemeanor violations. In that operation, police conducted 67 interviews, 11 parole searches and 30 probation checks.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_32f76387-f0cd-52cc-8468-592edd02dc96.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on November 21, 2009, 10:42:31 PM
Are they looking for clues on Amber while these sweeps are being conducted?


ESCONDIDO: Police sweep targeted known criminals
56 people arrested, five illegal immigrants handed over to ICE

In an effort to reduce crime in the city, Escondido police led a multiagency operation over the weekend to arrest people on a wide range of charges.

Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter said part of the reason behind the action was to get people off the street now who might commit crimes during the holidays. Authorities went after people sought by various agencies and checked for violations by those on parole.

Authorities arrested 56 people, including five illegal immigrants who were turned over to federal immigration agents to be deported.

"A lot of this was to check probation compliance," Carter said Tuesday.

Although there is no sure-fire way to know who will commit crimes, Carter said, these are the people who "often commit crimes in and around the holidays."

The operation, called Clean Sweep, included members of the Sheriff's Department, County Probation, the California Department of Corrections, state Alcohol Beverage Control, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the Regional Auto Theft Task Force.

On Friday and Saturday, between 4 p.m. and 2 a.m., about 100 officers fanned out, checking on people for various warrants and violations, Escondido police said.

Of the 56 people caught during the sweep, 22 had warrants out for their arrest, seven were arrested on prostitution-related charges, four were arrested for possession of methamphetamine and the rest were arrested on charges including robbery, drinking in public and drunken driving.

Lauren Mack, a spokeswoman for ICE in San Diego, said Tuesday that the five individuals who were suspected of being in the country illegally were in the process of being deported. Those individuals had only minor or no criminal charges against them other than entering the country illegally, Mack said.

"We took them because they were illegally present," Mack said.

During the sweep, officers conducted 125 interviews and issued 74 citations, police said. Twenty-two vehicles were impounded and one stolen car was recovered. Four parking citations were issued.

More than 100 probation and warrant enforcement checks were conducted, including 13 registered sex offenders, police said.

Carter said the department has conducted similar operations in the past and would likely do them more often in the future.

In January 2008, a sweep focusing on gang members netted 16 people in Escondido. They were arrested on various felony and misdemeanor violations. In that operation, police conducted 67 interviews, 11 parole searches and 30 probation checks.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_32f76387-f0cd-52cc-8468-592edd02dc96.html

Hi Northern Rose,
LE is all over the case right now! They have really stepped up to the plate lately in an all out effort to find Amber. I know that there is crime in Escondido, but for those who don't live there, it is still pretty safe compared to its population. There are gangs and such, but I rarely ever see any of it. I even drive through some of the bad neighborhoods taking short cuts here and there and have never had an incident. I guess what I am trying to say is that I truly think that LE in Escondido has kept the area pretty safe. No one would have ever guessed that Amber would disappear walking to school. I sometimes think it was someone OUT of the area. I am so glad that Carrie has mailed out those flyers!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: AmbersMom on November 22, 2009, 12:43:27 PM
Hi Northern Rose,

Yes I am sure EPD was also looking for any clues in Amber's case while they were on their sweep. Two of the lead detetctives were part of the sweep. Epd came to the last vigil in full riot gear because they were already on duty. Amber is on their minds 24/7. Thanks for asking.

Monkey's I need some help. I am looking for someone who can do some internet "geek", someone who knows codes able to find information that the normal people cant find. Any suggestions?

Carrie


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on November 22, 2009, 03:04:31 PM
You need a "CodeMan"
Generally they are hidden in dark rooms and have white skin are noted as being antisocial..
They only speak in code and have terrible table manners..  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Anyway ..

Yes hack artists exist in most colleges like MIT and Berkley university and in my area U.C. Santa Cruz
If you have a specific request a professor that teaches such classes may be able to find a student to do the work.
The F.B.I. is also noted to have hired some of these types to help them in code dissimilation.

http://www.geek.com/articles/hacks/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on November 22, 2009, 09:32:17 PM
Hi Northern Rose,

Yes I am sure EPD was also looking for any clues in Amber's case while they were on their sweep. Two of the lead detetctives were part of the sweep. Epd came to the last vigil in full riot gear because they were already on duty. Amber is on their minds 24/7. Thanks for asking.

Monkey's I need some help. I am looking for someone who can do some internet "geek", someone who knows codes able to find information that the normal people cant find. Any suggestions?

Carrie

I am glad as I would love for Amber to be found just as Jaycee was but without all the years away from her family.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: ChiChi on November 23, 2009, 02:05:18 AM
Just thinking out loud about this...

The girl's cell phone was shut off shortly after the messages were sent,
Garcia added, noting police relayed information about the phone to the family.
The phone was turned back on once on Saturday afternoon when someone tried
unsuccessfully to access the phone's voicemail and then shut off again shortly
after, they said, adding no further readings from the phone have been retrieved.

why would anyone except Amber, be interested in retrieving voicemails? Who would care...

Was Amber alone in the house when she left for school?   If no then who was still there?

I realize that going back through all the posts is extremely time consuming, so here are some pertinent quotes:

_________________________________________________________________________

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63583

Where Is Amber Dubois?

______________________________________
    
Family of missing teen clings to hope
No new leads in case

Chris Nichols
North County Times
February 19, 2009

..

Amber's father and mother, along with the mother's boyfriend, all voluntarily
 took and passed polygraph tests, Escondido police Lt. Bob Benton said earlier
 this week. They have been ruled out as suspects, he said.

...

Garcia, the private investigator who said he has 17 years' experience, said
computers from both the mother's and father's homes are being searched by
authorities for any electronic clue the teen may have left.

He and Amber's father said the girl sent several text messages to her grandmother
and one to a friend before going to school Feb. 13. They said the messages did not
provide information about her whereabouts or seem suspicious.

The girl's cell phone was shut off shortly after the messages were sent,
Garcia added, noting police relayed information about the phone to the family.
The phone was turned back on once on Saturday afternoon when someone tried
unsuccessfully to access the phone's voicemail and then shut off again shortly
after, they said, adding no further readings from the phone have been retrieved.

_________________________________________________



http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_217413a6-8d0e-5cdd-a691-433ffa160967.html

Missing Escondido teen's Web activity focus of search warrants


TERI FIGUEROA - Staff Writer | Posted: Saturday, March 14, 2009 12:00 am |

....

In court documents obtained Friday by the North County Times, Escondido police
state that two of Amber's friends told a police detective Feb. 19 that the teenager
 had told each of them she had been spending time online talking to boys.

One of her friends told officers she tried to dissuade Amber from doing so,
"due to her type of conversations that Amber stated she was talking about and
the dangers associated with this behavior," according to the search warrant
affidavit from Escondido police Officer Damon Vander Vorst.


_______________________________________________________________________________

http://abcnews.go.com/m/screen?id=6940098&pid=81
...
One of Amber's classmates was the last person known to speak with Amber
the morning she disappeared.

Garcia, the private investigator, likened his hunch to something not "clicking."
He also pointed to a series of phone calls that showed up on Amber's cell phone
records. When he called that number, the young man on the other line, he said,
denied knowing the teen. But Garcia said he later found out the number reportedly
belonged to a boyfriend of Amber's friend.


Benton said they have interviewed Amber's friends several times, as well as other
students at the school, and will continue to keep in contact with them as part of
the investigation.

 ___________________________________________________________________


Monkeys, please help with this?  I am very concerned about Amber's phone and friends.   It does not seem unlikely to me that a teen who drives could stop by and offer Amber a ride to school, but take her elsewhere.   We cannot learn much about underage friends, but I hope LE has been pressed about the teenagers involved.   If all this has been settled, please tell me and I'll try to drop my questions.     Thanks.




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: ChiChi on November 23, 2009, 02:33:12 AM
Sorry, I guess I didn't need to take up a whole page with that info... but to add to what I was saying about the voicemails.  I can understand "someone" turning on the phone to use it.... but the voicemails? that doesn't make sense... I also keep thinking of this video I watched on maybe one of the news channels (prob a Sacramento, maybe KCRA) about human trafficking.... there was this segment on an area down south, possible near LA where they were doing this undercover operation watching all these men come to this parking area near I want to say the freeway, and they were all parked and waiting around.  It would appear they were waiting for a bus or some day work thing.  Turns out they are waiting for sex.  There was a man who came out of nowhere in these fields behind trees, etc. and he walked down these hills into this woody area with about four or five girls.  They went into an area you couldn't see, and these men who have been waiting by their cars come down into this field, hilly area.  They line up and give money to the "doorman" or whatever he is, and they go into this woody place for sex.  It was unreal.  I wonder what efforts are made to research this senario I pray this is not what has happened to sweet Amber, but it is a possibility.  I know these trafficking stings are perhaps a federal operation rather than local, but is this something they are actively checking out?  Sorry, I don't mean to make you think of horrible things... but I am sure you already do.  I just hope they look into this aspect.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on November 23, 2009, 01:47:30 PM
ChiChi I remember seeing the same video
 the segment was human trafficking near san diego
It was a bunch of desperate American hispanic males who drive and park and wait for the coyote Mexican pimp to walk his harem of girls to the area where they have sex with the males in the bushes.
The San Diego police are fully aware of the situation and one of there cops specializes in catching them.

I do not remember the outcome but I believe it is still going on..



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: ChiChi on November 24, 2009, 12:44:08 AM
ChiChi I remember seeing the same video
 the segment was human trafficking near san diego
It was a bunch of desperate American hispanic males who drive and park and wait for the coyote Mexican pimp to walk his harem of girls to the area where they have sex with the males in the bushes.
The San Diego police are fully aware of the situation and one of there cops specializes in catching them.

I do not remember the outcome but I believe it is still going on..



Yes Edward that is the one.  If they know that it exists, I wonder why they don't bust the whole thing and remove these young girls... So sad. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on November 25, 2009, 05:54:07 PM
Have all of you picked up a copy of people magazine ?

(http://www.bringhomeamber.com/images/peoplemagazine.jpg)


It is a sad thing to see these faces and know we have all worked so hard to help find answers..

Where are all of these people at ? The bad guys appear to be winning in many of these missing persons cases.
 It is a sad thing to see these faces and know we have all worked so hard to help find answers..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on November 25, 2009, 06:13:45 PM
I did pick up the magazine. I was so glad to know this was coming out, so much exposure, on just about every check stand everywhere. I hope this leads to at least of these missing to be found.

And yes where are they and I will add why them? Bad luck or was someone waiting for just that right second to take them? I don't understand how a person just goes poof and disappears.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 25, 2009, 09:22:50 PM
AWWWwwwwwwwww ...... I am so glad they included Adji !!  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on November 27, 2009, 11:45:41 PM
ChiChi I remember seeing the same video
 the segment was human trafficking near san diego
It was a bunch of desperate American hispanic males who drive and park and wait for the coyote Mexican pimp to walk his harem of girls to the area where they have sex with the males in the bushes.
The San Diego police are fully aware of the situation and one of there cops specializes in catching them.

I do not remember the outcome but I believe it is still going on..



I am not 100% sure  I saw exact report as was mentioned, but I am aware somehow of mentioned activity. Remember, these guys are usually paid in cash. I have also either read or heard on the news (I get confused as to what I read in papers versus heard on news/read on internet), that the immigrant workers sometimes turn to homosexual activity because they are seperated from their spouses for such long periods and they are often all living together.

I can't prove the following, but I do believe it to be true because it is what I have been told by good sources:
The Escondido police do work against gang activity and have had some success.

Everything that happens in Escondido is not reported to the general population. I personally think it should be.

The situation mentioned in bove quote, I really hope more than one is assigned to the duty of catching the coyote Mexican pimp.





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Shell on November 27, 2009, 11:51:34 PM
Have all of you picked up a copy of people magazine ?

(http://www.bringhomeamber.com/images/peoplemagazine.jpg)


It is a sad thing to see these faces and know we have all worked so hard to help find answers..

Where are all of these people at ? The bad guys appear to be winning in many of these missing persons cases.
 It is a sad thing to see these faces and know we have all worked so hard to help find answers..


Who the heck cares if demi is 47 and hotter than ever??? :(...Gawd, get real and face the important stuff. Why can't they just for once, focus on the relavent issues?)



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on November 30, 2009, 03:24:49 AM
ChiChi I remember seeing the same video
 the segment was human trafficking near san diego
It was a bunch of desperate American hispanic males who drive and park and wait for the coyote Mexican pimp to walk his harem of girls to the area where they have sex with the males in the bushes.
The San Diego police are fully aware of the situation and one of there cops specializes in catching them.

I do not remember the outcome but I believe it is still going on..



I am not 100% sure  I saw exact report as was mentioned, but I am aware somehow of mentioned activity. Remember, these guys are usually paid in cash. I have also either read or heard on the news (I get confused as to what I read in papers versus heard on news/read on internet), that the immigrant workers sometimes turn to homosexual activity because they are seperated from their spouses for such long periods and they are often all living together.

I can't prove the following, but I do believe it to be true because it is what I have been told by good sources:
The Escondido police do work against gang activity and have had some success.

Everything that happens in Escondido is not reported to the general population. I personally think it should be.

The situation mentioned in bove quote, I really hope more than one is assigned to the duty of catching the coyote Mexican pimp.





The human trafficking problem in San Diego is horrendous. However, the majority of it is bringing children in from Mexico to pimp them out here in the states. It is disgusting! Having said this, there is little mention of reverse trafficking.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: SD Girl on December 05, 2009, 12:25:45 AM
Sorry, I guess I didn't need to take up a whole page with that info... but to add to what I was saying about the voicemails.  I can understand "someone" turning on the phone to use it.... but the voicemails? that doesn't make sense... I also keep thinking of this video I watched on maybe one of the news channels (prob a Sacramento, maybe KCRA) about human trafficking.... there was this segment on an area down south, possible near LA where they were doing this undercover operation watching all these men come to this parking area near I want to say the freeway, and they were all parked and waiting around.  It would appear they were waiting for a bus or some day work thing.  Turns out they are waiting for sex.  There was a man who came out of nowhere in these fields behind trees, etc. and he walked down these hills into this woody area with about four or five girls.  They went into an area you couldn't see, and these men who have been waiting by their cars come down into this field, hilly area.  They line up and give money to the "doorman" or whatever he is, and they go into this woody place for sex.  It was unreal.  I wonder what efforts are made to research this senario I pray this is not what has happened to sweet Amber, but it is a possibility.  I know these trafficking stings are perhaps a federal operation rather than local, but is this something they are actively checking out?  Sorry, I don't mean to make you think of horrible things... but I am sure you already do.  I just hope they look into this aspect.

Hi I'm new here. Although I have been lurking for awhile. I think this is the video you're referring to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQEltSyzL38


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: MuffyBee on December 05, 2009, 10:56:32 AM
Thank you, and welcome to Scared Monkeys, SD Girl  ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 10, 2009, 09:53:00 AM
San Luis Obispo police arrest a man found with a missing juvenile on Wednesday. The teen was reported missing on Monday. He's 52-year-old Bradford Mitchell. Police say he met a 16-year-old girl over the Internet. They also say the teen and Mitchell stayed in a hotel together. They arrested Mitchell for contributing to the deliquency of a minor. Police say he traveled by train from Michigan to the Central Coast. They also say it's on-going investigation and there could be additional charges.
(http://www.ksby.com/images/thumbnails/F8409B411D44681F57648C352E5C21D0_250_250.jpg)

Hearing the news now has some talking about internet safety. A local mom and teen talked to KSBY News about what they do to take precautions when it comes to the Internet. Taylor said, "What is that girl thinking? Why would you do something like that?" Taylor is 16-year-old. She said she has friends who have been contacted by strangers on the Internet. Taylor said, "I hear some guy messaged me saying that he thinks I'm hot or something. I don't know who he is." It's never happened to Taylor, she said she keeps her information very private. "I've purposely kept like my social networking sites private so that no one can message me if I don't know them." Beth, her mom, said, "I think it's important you take the necessary precautions and have the certain blocks on there to prevent predators." Beth also has some other advice for parents. Beth said, "I think it's important you stay very close to your children. Things like not allowing them to have a computer in their room, that you have a community computer where there's always other people around." Beth also suggests that you don't allow your children to use the Internet when your not home.

http://www.ksby.com/news/slo-missing-teen-case-sparks-internet-concerns/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 10, 2009, 10:02:28 AM
San Luis Obispo is 2 hours from my home on the west coast.. It is a tourist location of Pismo Beach and is also a college town where there is other missing unsolved missing.
This freak of nature traveled by train all the way across the country from Michigan by train !!! and stayed in a hotel with her.

She went willingly..  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I just do not understand...

WTF ?? HE IS UGLY !!

Anyways she is safe and not disappeared.. Thank God and Good people that found her.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Nut44x4 on December 10, 2009, 10:52:28 AM
Gross, eh?  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 10, 2009, 11:40:25 AM
2 Children Escape Kidnap Attempts in Hacienda Heights

HACIENDA HEIGHTS -- Los Angeles County Sheriff's deputies are looking for two different kidnapping suspects who tried to grab two children walking home from school in Hacienda Heights.

The attacks took place on the same day, ten minutes apart.

The first attempted kidnapping occurred around 2:20 p.m. Wednesday in the 1400 block of Countrywood Avenue. An 11-year-old girl was walking home from school when she says she was approached by a man who got out of a dark green pickup and tried to grab her. The girl ran away and was not harmed.

The second attempt happened in the 1600 block of Farmstead Avenue around 2:30 p.m. when another man approached a 9-year-old boy who was also walking home.

Sheriff's officials say the boy actually had contact with the alleged predator and gave him a "high five" or shook his hand. At that time, the suspect attempted to grab the boy but the child realized what was happening and broke free.

Neither child was injured in the attacks.

The first suspect is described as a Latino man in his late 30s. He's 6 feet tall, has a shaved head and a black moustache.

The second suspect is described as a white man in his early 30s, a little over 6 feet tall with black hair, brown eyes and a goatee.


Anyone with information about the attempted kidnapping is urged to call the Industry Sheriff's station at (626) 330-3322.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-hacienda-heights-kidnap-attempts,0,4953671.story


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 10, 2009, 11:41:47 AM
Hacienda Heights girl escapes kidnap attempt

HACIENDA HEIGHTS, Calif. -- Authorities are warning parents on Thursday morning after an attempted kidnapping in Hacienda Heights.

The L.A. County Sheriff's Department said a girl was walking home from school in the 1400 block of Countrywood Avenue when a man pulled up his truck, got out and tried to grab her. The girl was able to get away.

The suspect was driving a small, dark green pickup truck. He's described as a Hispanic male in his late 30s, about 6 feet tall, with a shaved head and black mustache. He was wearing a white T-shirt and jeans at the time.

Anyone with information about the attempted kidnapping is urged to call the Industry Sheriff's station at (626) 330-3322.

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=7163166


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 10, 2009, 12:38:41 PM
This was very close to another unsolved crime where a girl was attacked and the male attempted to put her in the trunk. Her brother fought with the guy and the guy got away..
He has never been found from my knowledge which is limited because I am dependant on news.
Also the Walmart attacks go unsolved even though police have video and good still pictures of the perps..

These types of attacks appear to becoming far more frequent.. and today 2 guys and 2 different locations. 

Hispanic involvement is high on the list in all of these cases.. =
Machismo males attacking young children.
The Caucasian males are more rare but appear to also have some involvement.
Black and Asian are not even on the register for these types of crimes..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 10, 2009, 04:33:45 PM
Can anyone tell us if anything came from the people magazines article?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 10, 2009, 05:19:22 PM
This was very close to another unsolved crime where a girl was attacked and the male attempted to put her in the trunk. Her brother fought with the guy and the guy got away..
He has never been found from my knowledge which is limited because I am dependant on news.
Also the Walmart attacks go unsolved even though police have video and good still pictures of the perps..

These types of attacks appear to becoming far more frequent.. and today 2 guys and 2 different locations. 

Hispanic involvement is high on the list in all of these cases.. =
Machismo males attacking young children.
The Caucasian males are more rare but appear to also have some involvement.
Black and Asian are not even on the register for these types of crimes..

I watched the KTLA news this morning and the one abduction attempt was a green truck the other was a white van.  There is that white van again.  I have been scouring the news to see if they mention white van in print.  Really wondering if this is a ring kidnapping children for child prostitution whether be it on line or otherwise. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 10, 2009, 05:41:01 PM
Can anyone tell us if anything came from the people magazines article?

from what i herd..notta


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 11, 2009, 01:03:03 AM
This was very close to another unsolved crime where a girl was attacked and the male attempted to put her in the trunk. Her brother fought with the guy and the guy got away..
He has never been found from my knowledge which is limited because I am dependant on news.
Also the Walmart attacks go unsolved even though police have video and good still pictures of the perps..

These types of attacks appear to becoming far more frequent.. and today 2 guys and 2 different locations. 

Hispanic involvement is high on the list in all of these cases.. =
Machismo males attacking young children.
The Caucasian males are more rare but appear to also have some involvement.
Black and Asian are not even on the register for these types of crimes..

I watched the KTLA news this morning and the one abduction attempt was a green truck the other was a white van.  There is that white van again.  I have been scouring the news to see if they mention white van in print.  Really wondering if this is a ring kidnapping children for child prostitution whether be it on line or otherwise. 

Hi Northern Rose!
I really think that there must be some secret SO website where they all get together and plot and plan. There are sooooooo many cases involving white vans! Maybe they all buy them so that when these attacks occur, LE will not know which of the millions to pursue! UGH!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 11, 2009, 01:07:42 AM
San Luis Obispo is 2 hours from my home on the west coast.. It is a tourist location of Pismo Beach and is also a college town where there is other missing unsolved missing.
This freak of nature traveled by train all the way across the country from Michigan by train !!! and stayed in a hotel with her.

She went willingly..  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I just do not understand...

WTF ?? HE IS UGLY !!

Anyways she is safe and not disappeared.. Thank God and Good people that found her.

Hi Edward!
I agree 100%! This is one scary ugly SOB! I don't know why these young girls go off with these guys. The only thing that I can possibly think of is low self esteem or lack of a father figure. It just does not make any sense. Carrie has sent Amber's computer to many different people for analysis. They have yet to find anything that would lead to the possibility of Amber having met someone on the internet. I also spoke to her best friend and she does not think Amber was even interested in guys yet. You probably know the amount of hours Carrie spends online looking for ANYTHING! I just cannot believe Amber went poof! She must have known the person, even if it was just an acquaintance. Nothing else makes any sense at all. But who?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 11, 2009, 01:09:24 AM
Can anyone tell us if anything came from the people magazines article?

Hi Tracygirl,
I have heard that LE continues to get calls and leads. Having said this, I am not aware of any that have panned out unless LE is keeping it close to their vests.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 11, 2009, 01:11:48 AM
Hi All,
I am curious about something and I am not a great internet sleuther. I try, but....... Anyways, I went back and re-read many things on different sites regarding Amber. On IS there was an article about a woman that looked like Amber that someone tried to abduct several times in Escondido prior to Amber going missing. I clicked on the link and the story is now gone. Can anyone help me find this article? Someone with a lot more know how than me?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 11, 2009, 03:24:27 PM
Can anyone tell us if anything came from the people magazines article?

from what i herd..notta

I hope at least one of the 6 is located although People Magazine doesn't have the longest shelf life. I think a new one comes out every week?

Can someone tell me if ambers mom has had a PI investigate every lead that came in, regardless of what it was? Let me tell you a story. Years ago I was a witness to a young girl being with her abductor, I called it in, told them what freeway I saw them on, what type of truck they were driving in along with the licence plate. I know if LE had taken me seriously they would have found this girl alive and not dead in a freezer 2 years later. So the moral of this story is, LE has theories and if it doesn't fit with the theory or if it doesn't make sense to them, they will not investigate it fully.

Somebody had to see something that day, had to see a young girl in a car/truck/van and something struck them as odd and called it in, someone, somewhere.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 11, 2009, 05:25:47 PM
Can anyone tell us if anything came from the people magazines article?

from what i herd..notta

I hope at least one of the 6 is located although People Magazine doesn't have the longest shelf life. I think a new one comes out every week?

Can someone tell me if ambers mom has had a PI investigate every lead that came in, regardless of what it was? Let me tell you a story. Years ago I was a witness to a young girl being with her abductor, I called it in, told them what freeway I saw them on, what type of truck they were driving in along with the licence plate. I know if LE had taken me seriously they would have found this girl alive and not dead in a freezer 2 years later. So the moral of this story is, LE has theories and if it doesn't fit with the theory or if it doesn't make sense to them, they will not investigate it fully.

Somebody had to see something that day, had to see a young girl in a car/truck/van and something struck them as odd and called it in, someone, somewhere.

Hi Tracygirl,
I know that Carrie still has a PI and her mother also has her own PI. Some of the leads come in via the website and some come in to LE. I think LE tells Carrie about some of the leads, but certainly not all of them. I don't know how she would go about getting the ones that they deem invalid. Do you? TIA ::hohohosanta::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 11, 2009, 06:04:26 PM
Well I would assume she or the PI's could start by asking for a copy of all the leads that have come in? I would guess they have done that, but I suggest to also make sure there are no leads that have simply been deemed as unreliable or unrealistic.

I know in the case that I spoke of, my lead was put in a pile of unreliable leads because I didn't call in right away but rather waited 30 min until I arrived at work, this was pre cell phone. Come to find out a girl I worked with was friends with the missing girl and when I was telling my story she told me of her friend and I called in. Also when the trial started I called the DA and asked them if they got my lead and if they needed my information of what I saw that day. I told her what happened and she told me the color of the truck I said was not the same color as what they had so they didn't feel they needed my account. It sickens me to this day because the girl they claim died the night she was taken actually didn't and from the looks of her she endured much abuse. I feel her story has never  been fully told and that to me is sad.
Anyway, I digress. I know in the beginning it was believed Amber may have ran away so if a tip came in from a person who saw amber it may not have fit their profile and been given the proper attention. Maybe I am grasping at straws, but I cannot not believe to this day, there has not been nothing and all leads so far has added up to zip. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 12, 2009, 08:19:21 PM
Well I would assume she or the PI's could start by asking for a copy of all the leads that have come in? I would guess they have done that, but I suggest to also make sure there are no leads that have simply been deemed as unreliable or unrealistic.

I know in the case that I spoke of, my lead was put in a pile of unreliable leads because I didn't call in right away but rather waited 30 min until I arrived at work, this was pre cell phone. Come to find out a girl I worked with was friends with the missing girl and when I was telling my story she told me of her friend and I called in. Also when the trial started I called the DA and asked them if they got my lead and if they needed my information of what I saw that day. I told her what happened and she told me the color of the truck I said was not the same color as what they had so they didn't feel they needed my account. It sickens me to this day because the girl they claim died the night she was taken actually didn't and from the looks of her she endured much abuse. I feel her story has never  been fully told and that to me is sad.
Anyway, I digress. I know in the beginning it was believed Amber may have ran away so if a tip came in from a person who saw amber it may not have fit their profile and been given the proper attention. Maybe I am grasping at straws, but I cannot not believe to this day, there has not been nothing and all leads so far has added up to zip. 

Hi Tracy,
I am with you on this. It is unbelievable that NONE of the tips have panned out. There truly have been thousands. I spoke to Carrie and she said that she feels confident that LE is following up on them all at this point. She has a good liason with LE and she trusts her. Very little gets by Carrie. Truly! I cannot even begin to tell you how many things that she and I have looked into. I still do not have a good feeling about some of the friends. If you check their "myspace" accounts, there is very little mention of Amber AT ALL! I find that odd. You would think that if a teen has a friend that goes missing, it would be talked about ALOT. I have not been a teen in many years, but I find their re-action to the whole situation cold and aloof at best. I have checked and checked on all sorts of different sites and have never once found any mention or hint that she may have runaway. Either she was abducted or these are the tightest lipped group of teens ever!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 13, 2009, 02:29:56 AM
Well I would assume she or the PI's could start by asking for a copy of all the leads that have come in? I would guess they have done that, but I suggest to also make sure there are no leads that have simply been deemed as unreliable or unrealistic.

I know in the case that I spoke of, my lead was put in a pile of unreliable leads because I didn't call in right away but rather waited 30 min until I arrived at work, this was pre cell phone. Come to find out a girl I worked with was friends with the missing girl and when I was telling my story she told me of her friend and I called in. Also when the trial started I called the DA and asked them if they got my lead and if they needed my information of what I saw that day. I told her what happened and she told me the color of the truck I said was not the same color as what they had so they didn't feel they needed my account. It sickens me to this day because the girl they claim died the night she was taken actually didn't and from the looks of her she endured much abuse. I feel her story has never  been fully told and that to me is sad.
Anyway, I digress. I know in the beginning it was believed Amber may have ran away so if a tip came in from a person who saw amber it may not have fit their profile and been given the proper attention. Maybe I am grasping at straws, but I cannot not believe to this day, there has not been nothing and all leads so far has added up to zip. 

Hi Tracy,
I am with you on this. It is unbelievable that NONE of the tips have panned out. There truly have been thousands. I spoke to Carrie and she said that she feels confident that LE is following up on them all at this point. She has a good liason with LE and she trusts her. Very little gets by Carrie. Truly! I cannot even begin to tell you how many things that she and I have looked into. I still do not have a good feeling about some of the friends. If you check their "myspace" accounts, there is very little mention of Amber AT ALL! I find that odd. You would think that if a teen has a friend that goes missing, it would be talked about ALOT. I have not been a teen in many years, but I find their re-action to the whole situation cold and aloof at best. I have checked and checked on all sorts of different sites and have never once found any mention or hint that she may have runaway. Either she was abducted or these are the tightest lipped group of teens ever!

Sebatian I still suggest that she personally looks into if there were any leads in the beginning of this case that the police simply didn't pay attention to. I know I spoke of my situation, but this happens all of the time. There are calls that come in and sound  so outrageous LE doesn't give them attention, however who is to say that the one lead that was once deemed as crazy could not have been the one that leads us to Amber. Did you know many times a mentally disabled person calling in that lead is not taken seriously? They are not considered a reliable witness. I also would also suggest that she ask how the leads were looked into. After all if 1000's of leads come in what police force has the man power to personally go and check it out. They had to of sorted out leads and I bet there are a few that didn't get the attention or due diligence some did.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 13, 2009, 10:06:51 AM
One more user comment... Take it or leave it.. jmho

just me
Tuesday, March 17, 2009I do not want to bring false hope however, I do want to help Amber get home. I'm sure I sound crazy and maybe I am, but I could not let it go. Last night a friend of mine, out of the blue, said "I drove by a sign with Amber Dubois name on it and I experienced something really strange". He continued on to say that Amber was taken by someone she knew, not personally, but someone she saw everyday either driving by , or someone that maybe used to wave to her all the time, he offered to get her stoned. My friend seems to think Amber liked to smoke pot. He said that is why she got in this mans car on her own free will. He said Amber was taken to a house near the school on a street called Nina. The house is coral color with white trim and it has dividers on the window. There is a dark green or dark blue older style truck sitting at or near the house. I have never been in that area but I drove there tonight. I could not see the house colors well because it was dark, but as I drove down nina there was a house with dividers in the window and outside on the street was a green older style truck. In the driveway was a dark blue older style truck. I called and told him about what I saw on the street and asked him if he were bullshitting or not. He said "I've never been on that street". he stated it just came to him and it was so overwhelming, he thinks the police should hit every house on that street at 5am and search for Amber or evidence of her. The mind is a powerful thing and can often play tricks on us, but like I said I could not let it go. I think my friend is psychic, but I know there has been many cases solved by psychics. If that were my daughter I would of had a psychic involved immediately. The police didn't handle that other missing girls case very well. The one where they arrested the brother and his friend and let them sit in juvenile hall forever without looking into other leads. Anyway, I do not know Amber or her family. I never heard of her until news broke she was missing. Now I may never forget her. I pray she is found.

http://www.cbs8.com/global/story.asp?s=10012681

This is a map of that street mentioned.. and it has a street view on the map so you can look up and down the street.
I agree with one thing... The Human mind is a very powerful thing... So who knows, anything is possible..
http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIC_enUS317US317&q=nina+drive++escondido

Last time I taled with Carrie I promised to find this one and bring it forward for review.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 13, 2009, 03:40:08 PM
Thanks Edward for posting this. This is the type of lead I was referring to, one that seems a bit odd or unrealistic. We just never know.....I went on google and found this street, I have to say there are a lot of houses within the color scheme and which also have trucks. So far I have not found anyone with criminal records which show violent behavior, (I have a paid site, but it is only as good as what it can find). One house has younger people living there, a young man in his early 30's and a young woman in her early 20's. Another house has a middle aged man living with his parents, from what I can gather, he has had a few violations regarding traffic, but for his age seems a little inappropriate, having to do with window tinting and lights. To me that seems like something a younger man would do.
I did find 2 SO in that direct area. One on Vista and another on Ash. Both were convicted on lewd charges with children under 14, but still, thier "taste" could have changed. One is an older man and one is a hispanic middle aged man.

http://www.familywatchdog.us/ViewOffenderDetails.asp?oID=CA1869525005062&aID=213704126&at=1&sid={7ABF2C77-AD7E-4092-9F83-62A318E22964}&lat=33.153263&long=-117.086838&clr=%23ff0000&rm=0

http://www.familywatchdog.us/ViewOffenderDetails.asp?oID=CA18698144B7329&aID=213710421&at=1&sid={F7DD97C7-2817-4A53-8A2F-D9AC1B9D2E44}&lat=33.15650518433566&long=-117.08683490753174&clr=%23ff0000&rm=0

If there is anyone to be checked into, I would not mind running a backround on them. Like I said though, these sites are not always 100%.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 14, 2009, 01:39:41 AM
One more user comment... Take it or leave it.. jmho

just me
Tuesday, March 17, 2009I do not want to bring false hope however, I do want to help Amber get home. I'm sure I sound crazy and maybe I am, but I could not let it go. Last night a friend of mine, out of the blue, said "I drove by a sign with Amber Dubois name on it and I experienced something really strange". He continued on to say that Amber was taken by someone she knew, not personally, but someone she saw everyday either driving by , or someone that maybe used to wave to her all the time, he offered to get her stoned. My friend seems to think Amber liked to smoke pot. He said that is why she got in this mans car on her own free will. He said Amber was taken to a house near the school on a street called Nina. The house is coral color with white trim and it has dividers on the window. There is a dark green or dark blue older style truck sitting at or near the house. I have never been in that area but I drove there tonight. I could not see the house colors well because it was dark, but as I drove down nina there was a house with dividers in the window and outside on the street was a green older style truck. In the driveway was a dark blue older style truck. I called and told him about what I saw on the street and asked him if he were bullshitting or not. He said "I've never been on that street". he stated it just came to him and it was so overwhelming, he thinks the police should hit every house on that street at 5am and search for Amber or evidence of her. The mind is a powerful thing and can often play tricks on us, but like I said I could not let it go. I think my friend is psychic, but I know there has been many cases solved by psychics. If that were my daughter I would of had a psychic involved immediately. The police didn't handle that other missing girls case very well. The one where they arrested the brother and his friend and let them sit in juvenile hall forever without looking into other leads. Anyway, I do not know Amber or her family. I never heard of her until news broke she was missing. Now I may never forget her. I pray she is found.

http://www.cbs8.com/global/story.asp?s=10012681

This is a map of that street mentioned.. and it has a street view on the map so you can look up and down the street.
I agree with one thing... The Human mind is a very powerful thing... So who knows, anything is possible..
http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIC_enUS317US317&q=nina+drive++escondido

Last time I taled with Carrie I promised to find this one and bring it forward for review.

Hi Edward,
I am pretty sure that I told Carrie about this when you posted it a while back. I think she has driven by but I will ask again. The drug thing is all wrong. Amber was not into it, but who knows about the other. There is also a hispanic guy who posts ugly things locally quite often. Calls himself Escoviejo. I think he uses other names as well. I don't know what his agenda is. I still have not been able to find the article about the woman who someone tried to abduct prior to Amber. Supposedly she looked like Amber. I have heard that a psychic is saying that Amber was taken across the street from the high school where there are walls? I need to drive by the school again. Then there is someone recently posting all over youtube stating that
Amber was seen in Mexico City with an older guy who has sandy blonde/gray hair. He then goes on to say that she was seen dead in a ditch. You have no idea the kind of *&^% that Carrie deals with every day. So many people call her with so much stuff. Leads come into both websites and are forwarded on to LE. Carrie checks to make sure that they are followed up on and they usually are. This case, Lindsey's case, ugh! We need some answers!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 14, 2009, 02:09:18 AM
I say this with all do respect for Amber and her family, but no one knows forsure if Amber was into drugs or not. I know her friends say she wasn't, which doesn't surprise me, they dont' want to get into trouble, the family say she wasn't but sometimes families don't know or haven't found out about it yet.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 14, 2009, 02:26:52 AM
I say this with all do respect for Amber and her family, but no one knows forsure if Amber was into drugs or not. I know her friends say she wasn't, which doesn't surprise me, they dont' want to get into trouble, the family say she wasn't but sometimes families don't know or haven't found out about it yet.



Hi Tracy,
Kids hide things all of the time. I know this firsthand. I just don't think Amber could have maintained her great grades, and been so wrapped up in 4-H if she was involved with drugs. I think Carrie is too trusting and she thinks I am too judgemental. Believe me I have asked Carrie the hard questions. She has told me where I can go a few times, lol! I truly believe she has answered me honestly.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 14, 2009, 11:45:01 AM
Walking from the corner of vista from the church towards the school the homes have fences all the way out to the sidewalk and some of the homes are not very well up kept meaning they may be rentals..
I have plenty of pictures of that side of the street because amber could have been pulled behind a fence quickly and not a soul would have seen it.
Anyways the answer to your psychic is TRUE
There are fences "walls"

I talk with Carrie quite frequent and I think she does an outstanding job or follow up.

Kids today can smoke pot without your knowledge as adults.

We have just recently seen 2 high school  girls both with grades at our kids school get kicked out for pot. They were caught in the Horse barn where they had it well hidden.
So high intelligence does not mean that kids wont do drugs.

I once knew a lawyer who used Heroin.




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 14, 2009, 11:55:14 AM
Follow up is our only hope for a clue as to what has happened. It is not something that any parent should have to do because the ups and downs of false leads can break a heart.
 Private investigators who have no heart connection to the missing person can take the ups and downs better because it is not there loss.

I have a great deal of respect for any parent who fights on for the truth reguardless of where and by whom the information comes from.

My heart goes out to this family durring these holiday time as it is a crushing blow to the heart to not have your loved one close. Not knowing anything makes it much worse.

This is just a child. Mexico leads are justifiable because of the high rate of hispanic involvment in attempted and executed abductions and the very his rate of involvment in sex crimes.
It is well within the Machismo Mentality to take a 14 year old girls as Slave and Wife.

Every person who lived in the homes along the oppisite side of the street from the high school at the time that Amber went missing should have a full background check and anyone from Mexico should be found and looked at.

That is a huge task..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 14, 2009, 12:11:12 PM
On the subject of a body found in a ditch in Mexico..

There are many bodies found in Mexico who are never identified. The reason for that has many reasons..
Some of the bodies are from different countries..Guatemala ...all the way to Argentina
People who try to get to America but who are rape robbed and murdered by the people that are payed to get them to the U.S.
Many people of Mexico are born at home with the assistance of a midwife and therefore have no birth certificate and also have no dental records or medical records to identify them with.

It is a depressing reality in Mexico and people with fair skin are very common to Mexico and many Girls are murdered in Mexico by males who kidnap them for various reasons.

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 14, 2009, 12:22:59 PM
This is the reality of the situation in just one city in Mexico and Mexico is a very big nation..

Take note to the FACT that the police officer detective has a Machismo Personality and "IT IS ALL THE GIRLS FAULT" according to him.

There is over 1000 missing girls in this town mentioned over a 10 year period and I monitored the situation for the last 5 years now on the border towns like this one.

Here is the story..


 March 6, 2009 Drug warfare is a plague in Ciudad Juarez in Mexico — since January 2008, the death toll has reached an unprecedented 2,000 people.

But between daily executions, kidnappings and extortions, another horribly familiar terror has been rekindled in the city. Young women are disappearing in an alarmingly similar pattern, with at least 18 missing in the past 14 months.

'She Never Arrived'

One of them is Lupita Perez Montes. The last time anyone saw her was on the evening of Jan. 31, when she was rushing through the bustling streets of downtown Juarez to catch the bus home. The 17-year-old high school student cradled a new pair of tennis shoes in her arms as she raced against the setting sun.

A friend of Lupita, Jose Ponce, says he saw her as she passed the fabric store where he works. So far, Ponce is the only witness to come forward.

"She walked by very quickly. I called to her, but she didn't pay attention, she just said she had to go because it was getting late," he recalls.

Susana Montes Rodriguez, Lupita's mother, describes her frenzy the night her daughter went missing.

"It got to be 7 o'clock in the evening, and my daughter just won't return. She never arrived," she says, sitting on her bed at home, surrounded by photographs of her daughter.

Montes and other family members launched an exhaustive search of downtown Juarez. She stopped numerous buses on their way back from downtown, desperately searching for her daughter in every row.

"We didn't sleep that night. We didn't sleep. The only other thing that came to mind was to search for her at clinics, in hospitals. But no, no, my daughter wasn't anywhere to be found," she says.

Echoes Of Crimes Past

Lupita is one of 18 young women — aged 13 to 18 — who have disappeared from the area in a little more a year. They are all pretty and slender, with dark, shoulder-length hair. At least nine of them vanished while downtown shopping or looking for work. Most come from humble families who live in the impoverished outskirts of the city.

Marilu Garcia, co-director of Nuestras Hijas de Regreso a Casa, or May Our Daughters Return Home, says the recent disappearances are reminiscent of past years. Garcia's sister, Lilia Alejandra, was kidnapped, raped and murdered in 2001. The case was never solved.

"Women disappeared and, unfortunately, soon after that we would find them dead because they had been brutally murdered. Unfortunately, now they are disappearing, but we don't know what's happening to them. We don't know if they are alive or dead," Garcia says.

Garcia's sister was one of 400 women murdered in Juarez over the course of a decade. At least 100 of them showed signs of torture, rape and mutilation. The crime wave attracted international attention.

But the current rash of missing teenage girls is different; their bodies are not turning up later. And it's unclear whether these recent disappearances have ties to the past murders.

One unconfirmed theory points in the direction of human trafficking. Last month, a 17-year-old girl appeared on a local news channel saying she was abducted from her native central Mexico by a trafficking ring that operates in Juarez.

There have been 347 reports of missing women in Juarez since last year. Of the 18 cases that remain unsolved, police classify six as high risk, meaning the women's lives could be in danger.

Official: Many Women Disappear Willingly

Local state prosecutor Alejandro Pariente Nunez downplays the problem. He claims that the majority of women who disappear in Juarez do so willingly.

He says that of the women who disappeared last year and were found later, a large percentage had willingly gone away with boyfriends or friends.

Pariente adds that multiple law enforcement agencies cooperate to investigate high-risk disappearances.

In the earlier wave of murders, police and law enforcement came under wide criticism for their inability to prosecute the killer or killers. No charges were ever filed in the cases of the so-called femicide cases.

This time, local activists and family members of the missing girls decry the inefficiency of police once more.

Garcia, of May Our Daughters Return Home, says that Juarez doesn't have enough personnel with the right training to deal with the missing women.

"Because of the high number of public servants and law enforcement who were murdered by organized crime last year, many cops quit out of fear," she says.

Search For Lupita Goes On

Back on the streets of downtown Juarez, Susana Montes Rodriguez shoulders her way through the Sunday afternoon crowds, past the shouting sidewalk merchants who might have seen her daughter the day she disappeared. She doles out black-and-white fliers with her daughter's smiling face to passersby, repeating the phrase, "If you see her please contact me."

Lupita is not a runaway, her mother says. She loves her family, played volleyball and dreamed of a profession in forensics.

"We can't leave things as they are. My daughter must feel that we are working hard to find her wherever she is," Montes says. "We will get her from wherever she's been taken. … Right now, we are incomplete. We are missing her."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=101479041


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 14, 2009, 12:33:01 PM
Here is the other side of the coin in Mexico..

girl who vanished at age 11 and recently turned up in Mexico -- now 15 years old, and with two children -- says she left home with an adult neighbor after becoming pregnant by him and was then kept as a virtual captive.
Before Dana Pevia came home to Raeford, N.C., this week, her family had not seen her since she walked to the school bus just after 6 a.m. on June 4, 1999. They thought she had been kidnapped, possibly killed.
But since coming home Wednesday to a tearful reunion with her mother, Dana has told authorities that she left with her neighbor, Hector Majarro Frausto, now 22.
She had been involved with Frausto, and shortly before she disappeared she told him she had been getting sick every morning, Hoke County Sheriff Hubert Peterkin said Thursday. Frausto, suspecting Dana was pregnant, arranged for them to travel to his family home in Mexico, Peterkin said.
"She went along with the situation and realized it was a problem once she was on a plane to Mexico," Peterkin said after interviewing the girl.
When she disappeared, Dana was just short of her 12th birthday. She was attending sixth grade at West Hoke Middle School.
That was the last her mother, Wanda Pevia, knew until earlier this month, when Dana showed up at the U.S. Consulate Generals office in Guadalajara. Consulate officials contacted the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which contacted the Hoke County sheriff's office.

On Wednesday night, Wanda Pevia was finally reunited with her daughter -- and her two new grandchildren -- at the Raleigh-Durham International Airport.

"Oh, my god, my baby, my baby," Wanda Pevia repeated as she and her daughter embraced, tears streaming down both their faces.

Dana declined to speak to reporters then or at the sheriff's Thursday news conference. But Peterkin said she told authorities that after a couple of months in Mexico, Frausto abandoned her with his relatives. They abused her and wouldn't allow her to leave, the sheriff said.



"She could not go out of their sight," he said.



After a couple of years, she befriended a local worker who eventually took her away from Frausto's family and brought her to live with his own, Peterkin said.

He said Dana tried to reach her mother and grandmother, but they had changed their phone numbers. Ultimately, the new family took her to the consulate's office.

Police confirmed that Frausto is the father of 3-year-old Sandra, Dana's oldest child. They would not say who is the father of 3-month-old Francisco.



Warrants have been issued charging Frausto with kidnapping and statutory rape. Police believe Frausto is in the United States.



"There's no doubt in my mind that Hector knows we're looking for him," Peterkin said.


http://media.www.thebatt.com/media/storage/paper657/news/2003/03/28/AggieLifepeopleInNews/Missing.Girl.Found.Nearly.Four.Years.After.Disappearance-514250.shtml


4 years later found alive...kids and all by a Machismo who kept her as Slave and Wife.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 14, 2009, 12:36:18 PM
I am not saying Amber is in Mexico but only pointing out 2 scenarios that are current events.
Amber could have been taken almost anywhere or be living with friends inside the united states or be prisoner of some people within the united states..

Just one clean clue could take us in the right direction..

I pray that God brings one clue to this family of Amer Leann Dubois.
Amen.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 14, 2009, 12:49:25 PM
Hi Edward,
Thank you so much for all of your posts. The things that go on are horrible! What a blessing about the girl who was re-united with her family. We need more good stories! I lived in El Paso years ago and know all too well about the girls that have gone missing from Juarez. The mentality of the Mexican authorities is disgusting. Women have very little rights and usually do not even bother to report rapes etc as they know it will fall upon deaf ears. All of the missing girls in Juarez and the total lack of follow-up on the part of the Mexican authorities is sadly the norm in Mexico.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 14, 2009, 02:18:43 PM
I say this with all do respect for Amber and her family, but no one knows forsure if Amber was into drugs or not. I know her friends say she wasn't, which doesn't surprise me, they dont' want to get into trouble, the family say she wasn't but sometimes families don't know or haven't found out about it yet.



Hi Tracy,
Kids hide things all of the time. I know this firsthand. I just don't think Amber could have maintained her great grades, and been so wrapped up in 4-H if she was involved with drugs. I think Carrie is too trusting and she thinks I am too judgemental. Believe me I have asked Carrie the hard questions. She has told me where I can go a few times, lol! I truly believe she has answered me honestly.

Sebatian that is just not true. Not all kids that smoke pot are airheads with bad grades. Pot is considered a nothing drug in todays society. It is a sad reality forsure but that is the way of the world right now. I am not saying she was smoking pot or was into boys, I am saying it shouldn't be ruled out. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 14, 2009, 02:21:24 PM
139 Girls from San Diego have been reported missing since the beginning of 2009. Many of them are lured to a place difficult even for police to track.


I do not know if this one is posted I am sure Carrie is already aware of it.. It will give other readers a better perspective of what is going on in Mexico.
As far as better communication between nations as stated in the video ..PUKE !
I know for a fact that it is all about money in Mexico.. IF A person intends on keeping the victim 100.00 will buy silence from the police.
THAT IS A FACT.

So find that woman who has the child find agency shown in the video.. Get Her Help

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjA-FS-Jm_E


Silence is one thing Escondido seems to have about that overcast and drizzle morning..
 From her friends to construction workers that were in the area.
The silence is deafening.

Follow that Psychic !! We need a lead..
 Was there some person living in the homes on the opposite side of the street from the High School that nabbed Amber ? Was there a wall or fence in front of that persons home that kept people from seeing what was going on ? Where is Amber Now ?

Look for answers close to the scene of the crime..
Then there is a cell phone call.
Then silence again..
Her friends..What friends. Kids today are so immature.So self centered.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Kiwi on December 14, 2009, 03:18:06 PM
Edward nice job here and around the boards. If I ever had someone missing, you would be one of the first I would contact before the trail got cold. I've been following your ideas daily keep them coming. Just a side, I hope someone can find that boat manufacture Daurry in some relationship to Joran.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 14, 2009, 03:31:53 PM
Thank You

Duarry is just a name of a kind of boat.. L


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on December 14, 2009, 04:18:45 PM
Sebastian and all ~ Could you please get clarification on the psychic?

Sebastian said:  "I have heard that a psychic is saying that Amber was taken across the street from the high school where there are walls?"

My interpretation is always so literal of what a psychic says which makes them seem not to make any sense to me...  Did he/she actually say "High School"?  or "school"?  The reason that I ask is in reviewing the street level maps of the area with fresh eyes, The Whole Child Montessori School is located at 1800 North Broadway on the East side of the street between Brava Pl & Bahia Ln.  Almost directly accross N. Broadway located at 1815 N. Broadway is Quail Creek Apts which is walled & gated.  Is that a senior housing facility?  Can anyone do a search for RSO's living or working there?  What is that in relation to the last place Amber was seen?  I assume that if they have suveilance video that EPD would have already reviewed the tapes?


TIA, Lovinlife


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on December 14, 2009, 04:56:47 PM
I'm sorry I missed this...didn't see it posted.  Blue's my fave color too. 

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_71dc2aa7-6539-5382-8e78-50ee4ca98471.html?mode=story

ESCONDIDO: Family to hold vigil for missing Escondido girl
Story Discussion By EDWARD SIFUENTES - esifuentes@nctimes.com | Posted: Thursday, December 10, 2009 9:20 pm | 1 Comment

ESCONDIDO ---- The family of missing girl Amber Dubois will hold a vigil Sunday afternoon at Escondido High School.

The family has requested that people wear blue to show their support, according to a news release issued Thursday.

Amber, 14, has been missing since Feb. 13 when she was last seen walking to school in Escondido. The girl's story was featured last month in People magazine.

Volunteers and the family plan to distribute copies of the magazine to medical facilities, beauty salons and other businesses where the public can read it, according to the release.

The vigil will be held at Escondido High School, 1535 N. Broadway, starting at 1 p.m. For more information visit, www.bringamberhome.com.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on December 14, 2009, 05:10:24 PM
I was like  ::MonkeyTears:: when I saw this:

(Please no zebra butt)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 14, 2009, 05:22:59 PM
For two days I have been on google maps following the route Amber would have taken.  Paradise to Vista, left down to Broadway to the school. Then I notice there are kids out and about, seems like google camera guy was around after school let out. Unbelievable you see girls walking alone, now that is completely stupid, jmo, But I also notice what appears to be people walking through the parking lot. How do we know she didn't cut through the field on Vista or through the parking lot on vista leading out on Broadway? Seems likely this could have happened, it was raining, it was early and she was anxious and excited about getting her goat. Were the camera's at that private school and church been look at? 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 14, 2009, 05:28:26 PM
Sebastian and all ~ Could you please get clarification on the psychic?

Sebastian said:  "I have heard that a psychic is saying that Amber was taken across the street from the high school where there are walls?"

My interpretation is always so literal of what a psychic says which makes them seem not to make any sense to me...  Did he/she actually say "High School"?  or "school"?  The reason that I ask is in reviewing the street level maps of the area with fresh eyes, The Whole Child Montessori School is located at 1800 North Broadway on the East side of the street between Brava Pl & Bahia Ln.  Almost directly accross N. Broadway located at 1815 N. Broadway is Quail Creek Apts which is walled & gated.  Is that a senior housing facility?  Can anyone do a search for RSO's living or working there?  What is that in relation to the last place Amber was seen?  I assume that if they have suveilance video that EPD would have already reviewed the tapes?


TIA, Lovinlife


There are about 5 or so houses across from the school which have walls or fences. I have looked into a few of the home owners and nothing came up on criminal records. The apartments are a bit harder given there are numerous tenants. The only SO's I have found in that area are the two off Vista I posted about yesterday.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 14, 2009, 05:35:18 PM
Or is this a possibility? Amber used a cut through from paradise to the field behind the houses which is a part of Calvin christian school, then there seems to be a dirt walkway from the side of the school leading to Brava? Raining, early in the morning, wanted to get to school fast?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on December 14, 2009, 05:38:58 PM
I saw your post about the SO's after I posted Tracygirl.  I'm sorry that I did not read back.  I'm curious about the SO's registered work address, how does that work in CA?  I've worked for property managment company in OH.  We hired one or two maintenance men for multiple property locations and the address of the managment company is not on site.  I don't know why I'm fixating on this as it probably has not a thing to do with Amber's disappearance, but after 10 months with no solid leads, I guess I'm straw grasping.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on December 14, 2009, 05:42:12 PM
Or is this a possibility? Amber used a cut through from paradise to the field behind the houses which is a part of Calvin christian school, then there seems to be a dirt walkway from the side of the school leading to Brava? Raining, early in the morning, wanted to get to school fast?
And excited about getting her lamb?  I think Edward brought this up way back when and ambersgrandmom had no evidence at the time weather she took her usual route or a short cut.

Please Lord in Heaven, bring Amber home for Christmas.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 14, 2009, 06:01:31 PM
I saw your post about the SO's after I posted Tracygirl.  I'm sorry that I did not read back.  I'm curious about the SO's registered work address, how does that work in CA?  I've worked for property managment company in OH.  We hired one or two maintenance men for multiple property locations and the address of the managment company is not on site.  I don't know why I'm fixating on this as it probably has not a thing to do with Amber's disappearance, but after 10 months with no solid leads, I guess I'm straw grasping.

Hmmm not sure how to research where a RSO works, anyone? That is a good idea and something to look into.

I notice a lot of kids cross that street without using crosswalks, not that there are any, I went up and down Broadway and couldn't find one.

Edward are you thinking that Amber was on the side of the street opposite from Escondido high? I think that sounds reasonable. What do you think about a shortcut given the weather conditions and her wanting to get to school to purchase the animal? The dogs didn't pick up a scent on Broadway on the same side of the street as the school. Do you know if they walked down Broadway on the other side of the street? 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 14, 2009, 06:03:47 PM
I saw your post about the SO's after I posted Tracygirl.  I'm sorry that I did not read back.  I'm curious about the SO's registered work address, how does that work in CA?  I've worked for property managment company in OH.  We hired one or two maintenance men for multiple property locations and the address of the managment company is not on site.  I don't know why I'm fixating on this as it probably has not a thing to do with Amber's disappearance, but after 10 months with no solid leads, I guess I'm straw grasping.

no such this as grasping at straws. After 10 months, something was missed or not thought of..YET, in my opinion.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on December 14, 2009, 06:22:09 PM

Edward...
Thanks for the maps.  I have been wondering about any shortcuts to school Amber might take.  Just thinking that walking all the way around the block is not the way I (back in the olden days) would have gone.  We always took the main street a block, then an alley, then the back and side yard of a couple who would shout at us.  So I wondered if there was some impediment to cutting through the block?   

Also, I was wondering if there is a realtors' map of vacant houses in a say 5 mile radius. 
each one should be entered and searched.   It seems possible that the school witnesses may be remembering another day, or missing the identification.   Probably the family has this covered, but better to ask.   Perhaps some local Realtors could be of assistance. 



To Amber's family:
   You are doing a fantastic job.  Wish I could be there in person to search. 


Thanks Chi -

As far as shortcuts - I'm with you - as a kid I never took a direct and obvious route - shortcuts were much better!  This is Amber's first year at this school - and it's not the neighborhood she grew up in - so I would suspect that she did not take shortcuts to the school - but there's always a chance that I'm wrong.
BUMP for Tracygirl (It was Amber's Aunt)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on December 14, 2009, 06:25:36 PM
Can you show the normal pattern that Amber walks to school on a map ?

This is what is understood to be Amber's usual route.  "Eyewitnesses" have reported that Amber was last seen walking on the "school side" of Broadway - which means she would've crossed the street at Vista.  The truth is she could have been taken along any point of this route - IMHO
BUMP Sounds like "unconfirmed" school-side (West side of Broadway) sighting.

(Map @ original post by Ampersand)


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on December 14, 2009, 06:51:22 PM
http://216.223.229.24/cgi/prosoma.dll?searchby=offender&id=1869525005062&lang=ENGLISH

http://216.223.229.24/cgi/prosoma.dll?searchby=offender&id=1869408326570&lang=ENGLISH

http://www.nsopw.gov/Core/ResultDetails.aspx?index=9&x=2554F874-CFE7-4759-8BA7-05C0C39CAC37

OK, creepy alert.  Done searching for now.  Why doesn't this guy (bottom one) have to list his address?  I do not know if a SO took Amber.  I know that there are MANY possibilites just thowing something out there.  Lovinlife


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 14, 2009, 07:02:09 PM
Can you show the normal pattern that Amber walks to school on a map ?

This is what is understood to be Amber's usual route.  "Eyewitnesses" have reported that Amber was last seen walking on the "school side" of Broadway - which means she would've crossed the street at Vista.  The truth is she could have been taken along any point of this route - IMHO
BUMP Sounds like "unconfirmed" school-side (West side of Broadway) sighting.

(Map @ original post by Ampersand)
I am curious to know if other kids cut through...if so she could have seen them do it and then went herself, considering the weather, it is a possibility.
Considering the aunts statement it leads me to believe the camera's at the church/school was not checked? 
She could have crossed over broadway at any point in the walk before the bus maintance lot. She could have also cut through that lot as it would get her to the farm area quicker from what I can tell. 

I have also read the witnesses siting is some what of a question as to if it was amber or not.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 15, 2009, 01:06:14 AM
Hi All,
Carrie checked out another lead tonight by yet another psychic. She drove way the heck out to kindgdom come and it was nothing. It is horrible. We get so much stuff from psychics and Carrie will not leave any stone unturned. She checks it all out. Here is the thing. One psychic says she is dead and stuffed into a storage locker. Another says she is dead and somewhere, maybe out by Camp Pendleton. Another one sent Carrie way out tonight near the Mexican border. Some say one person took her (a white guy) another says a hispanic, another says two guys. It just goes on and on and on. Can you imagine if it was your child. Some supposed psychic sends an email to you and you cannot help it, you feel compelled to check it out. Maybe this time! Ugh, I am so frustrated for her! I have seen the route that Amber took. Someone could have nabbed her in the residential area that she walks (although I feel someone would have seen something). The other place that she could have gotten nabbed is by the Christian school. Having said this, again, you would think that someone would have seen something. Even though Carrie is positive that Amber did not leave on her own, it is still a possibility. Could her friends all keep quiet for this long? There is a registed SO on the same street that Amber had to walk. Carrie says he is really old and can barely get around. The dogs were brought to all of the neighbors houses way back when. With all of the teachers getting arrested these days for crimes against children, I keep wondering about the teachers at her school as well. I am open to any suggestions!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 15, 2009, 01:44:49 AM
The 2 offenders I found yesterday didn't seem that old. The one Carrie spoke of, does he live alone or with someone?
I don't think Carrie should be going herself to follow these leads, she is working with a PI right?
People get snatched all of the time right in public with others around. Read Somers case if you haven't. Groups of people walking and a little 7 year old vanishes without one witness. Google maps shows the route when school is letting out, it is not that busy. I think it is completely possible she was snatched right off the street either by car or someone in a bush or behind a wall.

Where the dogs taken down both sides of Broadway? How long had it been when the dogs searched?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 15, 2009, 01:57:10 AM
The 2 offenders I found yesterday didn't seem that old. The one Carrie spoke of, does he live alone or with someone?
I don't think Carrie should be going herself to follow these leads, she is working with a PI right?
People get snatched all of the time right in public with others around. Read Somers case if you haven't. Groups of people walking and a little 7 year old vanishes without one witness. Google maps shows the route when school is letting out, it is not that busy. I think it is completely possible she was snatched right off the street either by car or someone in a bush or behind a wall. Where the dogs taken down both sides of Broadway? How long had it been when the dogs searched?

Hi Tracy,
I cannot get into specifics, but the dogs have been EVERYWHERE! I MEAN EVERYWHERE! There have many several dogs used at several times including ones that can detect a scent years later. Carrie never checks out leads alone and she reports her trips to her liason at LE. She is not using a PI at the moment but that changes as the need arises. She is pretty confident at the moment with Escondido LE. Which 2 SO's are you referring too? There are alot of them in Escondido and the surrounding cities. Then there are those who have not been caught or are no longer required to register. Every town seems to be crawling with them. I think the one that lived on Amber's walk lives alone. I will double check on that though as it is a good question!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 15, 2009, 02:08:18 PM
Family watchdog has this offender.

Rubin Cruz
322 VISTA AVE
ESCONDIDO, CA 92026

288(a) LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACTS WITH CHILD UNDER 14 YEARS
 
Gender: MALE     Race: HISPANIC
     Hair:      Eye: 
     Height: 6'1"     Weight: 285
     DOB: 03-17-1941

At this address there is also a younger male, 22 with the same name, with a few criminal records that lists only "citations". I cannot find a pic of the son, but please go to familywatchdog.us and type in this offender's name.
I will try to find out more about the records on the 2 men.     


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 15, 2009, 02:42:35 PM
That is one Big Boy.. He could easy pick up Amber kicking and screaming.
Right there on Vista Ave.

Police should do a forensics search of that home just to be safe.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 15, 2009, 03:18:11 PM

You can find this person on www.familywatchdog.us

 I have 2 other addresses for this man then what is listed on family watchdog.
1714 KIWI GLN ESCONDIDO CA 92026
Here is another one,
9 LARRY LN ESCONDIDO CA 92025

This is the familywatchdog information on him.
Bernard Fisher Elkins
1930 N. ASH STREET
ESCONDIDO, CA 92026

288(a) LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACTS WITH CHILD UNDER 14 YEARS

Gender: MALE     Race: WHITE
     Hair:      Eye: 
     Height: 6'3"     Weight: 230
     DOB: 04-25-1942

This is from a criminal record search done on him
Case Details for search:1869525005062
 
Jurisdiction Last Name First Name Middle Name Race / Sex Date of Birth
 CA  ELKINS  BERNARD  FISHER  WHITE/MALE  04/25/1942
Height Weight Hair color Eye Color SSN Birth State Generation
 6'3"  215  WHITE  BROWN  000000000  N/R  N/R
City State Zip Age Scars Marks Skin Tone Military Service
 N/R  N/R  92025  67  SCAR ABDOMEN;SC UNK SURGICAL;  N/R  N/R
Address:  N/R N/R 92025
Known Alias:  None 

Detail Charges Found for Record ID: 1869525005062

Category Sex Offender 192826617 Source sorca
Charges Filed Date N/R Offense Date N/R
Offense Code 288(a) NCIC Code N/R
Offense Desc1 LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACTS WITH CHILD UNDER 14 YEARS Offense Desc2 N/R
Counts N/R Plea N/R
Conviction Date N/R Conviction Place N/R
Sentence Date N/R Probation Date N/R
Photo Name 1869525005062.jpg Court N/R
Disposition N/R Disposition Date N/R
Court Costs N/R Arresting Agency N/R
Case Type N/R Fines N/R
Source Name CA Sex Offender Registry Source State CA


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 15, 2009, 03:19:59 PM
That is one Big Boy.. He could easy pick up Amber kicking and screaming.
Right there on Vista Ave.

Police should do a forensics search of that home just to be safe.

yea he is big, not sure about the son. I find it interesting he has a younger son that lives at that address. Remember the young man said to have been walking with Amber? It made me think of that.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on December 15, 2009, 03:25:44 PM
http://www.nsopw.gov/Core/ResultDetails.aspx?index=0&x=3BA36C6F-73F3-4BAF-9555-CFC1042365A

I wonder if this guy is some how related to Rubin Cruz on Vista?  Failure to report from Texas.

I think of a son "trolling" for a dad who can't go out and find his own, KWIM?  I think I think too much and watch too much TV.  I thought the same thing Tracygirl about the "hispanic" young man walking with Amber.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 15, 2009, 03:57:37 PM

I didn't see this guy on familywatchdog.

GARCIA RUDY
1822 LORETO GLEN
ESCONDIDO, 92027
County: SAN DIEGO
Zip Code 92027
Date of Birth: 12-10-1961
Sex: MALE
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 280
Eye Color: BROWN
Hair Color: BROWN
Ethnicity: HISPANIC


261(2) RAPE BY FORCE
286(d) SODOMY IN CONCERT WITH FORCE
None
 
GARCIA, RUDY ROD
GARCIA, RUDY ROD
GARCIA, RUDY ROY
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 15, 2009, 03:59:42 PM
http://www.nsopw.gov/Core/ResultDetails.aspx?index=0&x=3BA36C6F-73F3-4BAF-9555-CFC1042365A

I wonder if this guy is some how related to Rubin Cruz on Vista?  Failure to report from Texas.

I think of a son "trolling" for a dad who can't go out and find his own, KWIM?  I think I think too much and watch too much TV.  I thought the same thing Tracygirl about the "hispanic" young man walking with Amber.

Lovinlife don't knock your ideas, TV drama's are usually taken from real life crimes. It is not far fetched to think it was a trolling son. Sadly SO's is a family afair sometimes. Thank you for posting, I couldn't find which one you were talking about out of Texas. Can you post a link to the direct person?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on December 15, 2009, 05:07:41 PM
http://www.nsopw.gov/Core/ResultDetails.aspx?index=0&x=3BA36C6F-73F3-4BAF-9555-CFC1042365A

I wonder if this guy is some how related to Rubin Cruz on Vista?  Failure to report from Texas.

I think of a son "trolling" for a dad who can't go out and find his own, KWIM?  I think I think too much and watch too much TV.  I thought the same thing Tracygirl about the "hispanic" young man walking with Amber.

Lovinlife don't knock your ideas, TV drama's are usually taken from real life crimes. It is not far fetched to think it was a trolling son. Sadly SO's is a family afair sometimes. Thank you for posting, I couldn't find which one you were talking about out of Texas. Can you post a link to the direct person?
CRUZ,RUBEN CASAS
Description
SID 05398538   
Risk Level HIGH   
Ending Registration Date NON-EXPIRE   
Verification Requirement ANNUALLY   
Sex MALE   
Race WHITE   
Ethnicity HISPANIC   
Height 5'6"   
Weight 150 lbs   
Hair Color BROWN   
Eye Color BROWN   
Shoe Size 8   
Shoe Width UNKNOWN   
ICO   
 Current Photo

Photo Reported - 2/8/2002
Names
CRUZ,RUBEN CASAS (PRIMARY)
CASA,NICKNAME
CRUZ,RUBEN
CRUZ,RUBEN CASA
Birthdates
12/1/1977 (PRIMARY)
 

Registration/Verification Information
Date Event Type Agency
03/31/06 REGISTRATION DEPT OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE HUNTSVILLE
02/27/02 VERIFICATION PHARR PD

Address Information
Date Address   
03/31/06 NONE 


Current Address Not Verified : The above information has not been verified by the local law enforcement authority. This information reflects data reported at the time of initial registration. This record indicates the offender is registered as a sex offender, but the Department of Public Safety has not received confirmation that the offender appeared before the local law enforcement agency to verify their registration. An offender's residence can not be confirmed until the offender reports to the local law enforcement agency to be verified. If you encounter this offender, please report this to the local law enforcement agency in your area immediately.
Occupation Information
Date Employer Address
03/31/06 UNKNOWN

Offenses
TX:11990003 AGG SEXUAL ASSAULT 
Victim
Sex  Victim
Age  GOC Time Disposition Date Discharge Status
FEMALE   21   ATTEMPT TO COMMIT   4Y   11/16/1995   YES PAROLE   
Citation 
TEXAS PENAL CODE  §22.021   


TX:22990003 BURGLARY HABITATION INTEND OTHER FELONY 
Victim
Sex  Victim
Age  GOC Time Disposition Date Discharge Status
FEMALE   19      4Y   11/16/1995   YES PAROLE   
Citation 
TEXAS PENAL CODE  §30.02 (D)   

https://records.txdps.state.tx.us/DPS_WEB/SorNew/PublicSite/index.aspx?PageIndex=Individual&IND_IDN=7053433&SearchType=Name


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 15, 2009, 07:39:36 PM
You gals are very busy and doing a Great Job !


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 15, 2009, 08:53:52 PM
Edward can you tell us what has been done to investigate the SO's in that area? I wish I could go down there, there is an area I would search myself. I would take Vista to Ash go north to the street that starts with an "R", turn right and look up and down that area within a 5 mile radius. Sorry Carrie for writing this, do you know edward if this area was searched with Cadavar dogs? 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 15, 2009, 10:59:59 PM
Hi All,
Thank you all so much for getting some action going on Amber's case! It is so great to see so many posts! I know that LE has checked out the SO's in Escondido. Others have as well. Interesting to find out that SO's are NOT supposed to have Halloween decorations up AT ALL. One of the SO's that some people checked out had his decorations up. Uh oh! There is a large hispanic population in Escondido. Many of them are not legal. You have to wonder how many of the illegals are SO's from Mexico that we would not even know about. I will ask Carrie about the SO's closest to the house. Many of the psychics have talked about Amber having passed away. I just do not get that feeling at all. I don't know why. I have no psychic abilities what so ever. What I have wondered about is this. How would I find out if any of the neighbors within a certain mile radius has a basement. Like one of the SO's mentioned?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 16, 2009, 02:13:20 AM
Hi All,
Thank you all so much for getting some action going on Amber's case! It is so great to see so many posts! I know that LE has checked out the SO's in Escondido. Others have as well. Interesting to find out that SO's are NOT supposed to have Halloween decorations up AT ALL. One of the SO's that some people checked out had his decorations up. Uh oh! There is a large hispanic population in Escondido. Many of them are not legal. You have to wonder how many of the illegals are SO's from Mexico that we would not even know about. I will ask Carrie about the SO's closest to the house. Many of the psychics have talked about Amber having passed away. I just do not get that feeling at all. I don't know why. I have no psychic abilities what so ever. What I have wondered about is this. How would I find out if any of the neighbors within a certain mile radius has a basement. Like one of the SO's mentioned?

I never rule them out because they have friends and family that are also offenders. The one with the decorations? That tells me he is trying to lure people to his house. Make it look friendly and harmless, he is a threat and will offend again soon. Did LE rule him out? Le makes mistakes...When they first looked at this case it was as a runaway or an endangered missing, not as a kidnapping, the focus was different. When you post that LE has looked at them along with other people it makes me feel you are trying to turn the focus away from them, I don't think that is a wise thing to do imo. If amber was kidnapped and no ransom has been asked for then chances are she was taken by a SO, what better place to focus on then the ones out and getting ready to offend again. (I wish someone could please explain to me why on earth these criminals are not all serving life for hurting a child as they have done!)
I would love to find out Amber is alive, I pray for her to be found so she can give her mama a big huge hug. I just think the chances of that are not as high as her no longer being alive. I think both cases need to be considered. If she is no longer alive which I pray is not the case she needs to be laid to rest in a proper fashion, she deserves that.

I do a property search within the county of the home. Are you talking about 322 Vista? I can see what I can find if you want but I don't think any of the homes in that area would have basements/cellars considering the age of the homes but you never know. One thing to look for is building permits for any structures or room additions to a home. You can find that through the county offices.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 16, 2009, 02:40:59 AM
Googlemaps street view shows 322 Vista Ave in Escondido on the corner of vista and paradise. I see a swing set (!!!) in the backyard and also what looks like a separate building in the backyard. At first I thought it was the house behind but when looking at that house and turning towards vista I can see through the trees the building so it is in the backyard. I can also see a utility or full sized van parked in the back area, it is gold/yellow in color. Looks sort of oldish style. Are their kids living at that house? besides the swing set there is a little pink watering pot in the front yard, maybe a little girls?!  A RSO lives there! I think he owns that house with his wife, I am just trying to confirm that. I now there is a 22 year old with the same name so I am assuming it is this mans son. Regardless if he is responsible for taking Amber, it needs to be reported that a child may live in that home and that is the home he is registered at.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on December 16, 2009, 11:46:57 AM
Googlemaps street view shows 322 Vista Ave in Escondido on the corner of vista and paradise. I see a swing set (!!!) in the backyard and also what looks like a separate building in the backyard. At first I thought it was the house behind but when looking at that house and turning towards vista I can see through the trees the building so it is in the backyard. I can also see a utility or full sized van parked in the back area, it is gold/yellow in color. Looks sort of oldish style. Are their kids living at that house? besides the swing set there is a little pink watering pot in the front yard, maybe a little girls?!  A RSO lives there! I think he owns that house with his wife, I am just trying to confirm that. I now there is a 22 year old with the same name so I am assuming it is this mans son. Regardless if he is responsible for taking Amber, it needs to be reported that a child may live in that home and that is the home he is registered at.
I've read & reread this several times.  I've seen what you're talking about. 

http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?searchby=offender&id=18698144B7329
(http://216.223.229.21/maps/18698144B7329.jpg)

As Americans and Victim's Advocates we need to be vigilant regarding information such as this.  All I keep thinking of is Jaycee Dugard...

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&source=hp&q=322%20vista%2C%20escondido%2C%20ca&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

House to the West is 302, house to the East is 402.  This HAS to be 322 Vista.  Zoom in on the mail box post, it has 322 on it.  I can't tell if there is a basement. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on December 16, 2009, 11:53:49 AM
well, poo the pic didn't come out.

 Follow the link and his pic is there with his offense of

California Penal Code Section 288(a): Any person who willfully and lewdly commits any lewd or lascivious act, including any of the acts constituting other crimes
provided for in Part 1, upon or with the body, or any part or member
thereof, of a child who is under the age of 14 years, with the intent
of arousing, appealing to, or gratifying the lust, passions, or
sexual desires of that person or the child, is guilty of a felony and
shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for three,
six, or eight years.

http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/288.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 16, 2009, 12:47:12 PM

I didn't see this guy on familywatchdog.

GARCIA RUDY
1822 LORETO GLEN
ESCONDIDO, 92027
County: SAN DIEGO
Zip Code 92027
Date of Birth: 12-10-1961
Sex: MALE
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 280
Eye Color: BROWN
Hair Color: BROWN
Ethnicity: HISPANIC


261(2) RAPE BY FORCE
286(d) SODOMY IN CONCERT WITH FORCE
None
 
GARCIA, RUDY ROD
GARCIA, RUDY ROD
GARCIA, RUDY ROY
 


Well the SO these days must have a little bit of money because this man lives in a gated community! There is no street view of this home. Forcible rape and sodomy and he is living in a private community? Poor neighbors I hope they know about him. Gated communities usually inspire a higher sense of safety and people are not as on guard. There is also a large area of openness right behind his home.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 16, 2009, 12:57:06 PM
Bernard Fisher Elkins
1930 N. ASH STREET
ESCONDIDO, CA 92026

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

Can anyone make sense of this property? I first thought it was a moble home park, if so then it is a very small one. It also looks like there are houses or one house? I see a young girl walking out of the place.
Why are SO's allowed to live near schools and children? Sheesh is it that much to ask they be kept away? Wht?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 16, 2009, 02:53:30 PM
I asked Carrie to come over and take a look.
She will know if they have been check out or not.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 16, 2009, 04:46:55 PM
Thank you Edward. I am curious to know how they ruled them out as Sebatian stated, what measures did they take, how far they went into their digging. Also what stage of the investigation they looked into them and are they still looking into them. After all until Amber is found, no one can truly be ruled out. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 16, 2009, 11:26:19 PM
Thank you Edward. I am curious to know how they ruled them out as Sebatian stated, what measures did they take, how far they went into their digging. Also what stage of the investigation they looked into them and are they still looking into them. After all until Amber is found, no one can truly be ruled out. 

Hi Tracy!
I was not saying that any SO has been ruled out. I was just stating that many have been checked out by LE and others. There are tons and tons of SO's in Escondido. Then you have them in Pala, Pauma Valley, Valley Center. All of the remote areas not too far from Escondido. Luckily they have to report on the Indian Reservations now and some of those have been checked out as well. Believe me, no SO has been completely ruled out by me. LE may have ruled some of them out for various reasons. Oh, did I tell you, the SO's with the Halloween decorations? Well they have a camera on the front top of their house as well. They live on a small street. Maybe the camera allows them to watch the kiddies play outside. I cannot even begin to tell you how many creepy creepy crawlers there are. I never had any idea until after Amber went missing and I started looking into her case. There is a SO in Escondido who owns an in-home computer company. He goes inside family homes to fix their sound systems, computers etc. Isn't that nice! The Better Business Bureau of Escondido gives his little home business a high rating! There are several high level offenders missing in the area. How does that make you feel? You are right about the kids that continue to walk home alone from school. I see them all of the time. I feel like screaming!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on December 17, 2009, 12:20:05 PM
Hi All,
Thank you all so much for getting some action going on Amber's case! It is so great to see so many posts! I know that LE has checked out the SO's in Escondido. Others have as well. Interesting to find out that SO's are NOT supposed to have Halloween decorations up AT ALL. One of the SO's that some people checked out had his decorations up. Uh oh! There is a large hispanic population in Escondido. Many of them are not legal. You have to wonder how many of the illegals are SO's from Mexico that we would not even know about. I will ask Carrie about the SO's closest to the house. Many of the psychics have talked about Amber having passed away. I just do not get that feeling at all. I don't know why. I have no psychic abilities what so ever. What I have wondered about is this. How would I find out if any of the neighbors within a certain mile radius has a basement. Like one of the SO's mentioned?

I never rule them out because they have friends and family that are also offenders. The one with the decorations? That tells me he is trying to lure people to his house. Make it look friendly and harmless, he is a threat and will offend again soon. Did LE rule him out? Le makes mistakes...When they first looked at this case it was as a runaway or an endangered missing, not as a kidnapping, the focus was different. When you post that LE has looked at them along with other people it makes me feel you are trying to turn the focus away from them, I don't think that is a wise thing to do imo. If amber was kidnapped and no ransom has been asked for then chances are she was taken by a SO, what better place to focus on then the ones out and getting ready to offend again. (I wish someone could please explain to me why on earth these criminals are not all serving life for hurting a child as they have done!)
I would love to find out Amber is alive, I pray for her to be found so she can give her mama a big huge hug. I just think the chances of that are not as high as her no longer being alive. I think both cases need to be considered. If she is no longer alive which I pray is not the case she needs to be laid to rest in a proper fashion, she deserves that.

I do a property search within the county of the home. Are you talking about 322 Vista? I can see what I can find if you want but I don't think any of the homes in that area would have basements/cellars considering the age of the homes but you never know. One thing to look for is building permits for any structures or room additions to a home. You can find that through the county offices.



Good to see renewed interest here.  I fear most of us previous posters now just come on, look for news and move on.   A fresh look from the beginning can only help.   

Back when Amber's Gmother was posting here there was some talk and research on how to find basements in the area.   Also talk of the SO on Vista.   Maybe someone of you can come up with something new.   

Chi-M





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 17, 2009, 12:21:33 PM
Predator personalities learn from mistakes. They change and adapt. We have many missing people in our list of cases who have vanished into thin air without witness when there should have been witness.

I think The S.O. which is a abbreviation for Sex Offender is a predator personality and they have learned and are now attacking children and adults with far more accuracy and without witness.

I have no idea if that is what has happened in this case.
Just sayin.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on December 17, 2009, 02:15:36 PM
Did Amber attend Hidden Valley Middle School prior to moving to EHS in Fall of 2008?

In light of Elizabeth Olten's death in Jefferson City, MO, I think that something like this could be pertinent:



http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_62783c6f-f8a4-550a-a1eb-ae47f75fd8aa.html?mode=story

ESCONDIDO: Girl, 14, to be tried as adult in stabbing

By TERI FIGUEROA - tfigueroa@nctimes.com | Posted: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 9:25 pm | (15) Comments

Font Size: Default font size Larger font size A 14-year-old Escondido girl who allegedly stabbed another teenage girl seven months ago will be tried as an adult, a prosecutor said Wednesday.

The child is set to be arraigned Thursday afternoon in a Vista courtroom and charges will be filed at that time, Deputy District Attorney Kristie Nickoletich said.

Nickoletich declined to say what charges may be brought against the teenager. When the girl was first charged in Juvenile Court in May, she was charged with attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, burglary and dissuading a witness from providing information.

Nickoletich said "the nature of the case" is what led prosecutors to try the girl as an adult, but she declined to give specific details.

Not many details of what happened during the May 3 stabbing in the victim's home have been made public, but police said the attack was not motivated by gang activity.

Earlier this week, a Juvenile Court judge found the child unfit to be tried in Juvenile Court, Nickoletich said. The ruling cleared the way for prosecutors to charge her as an adult.

The request for a finding that a child is unfit for Juvenile Court is generally made by prosecutors seeking to try a child as an adult.

Nickoletich declined to comment on the status of the cases facing the two other teenagers arrested after the stabbing. It is unclear if prosecutors will seek to try them as adults as well.

Escondido police have said they received a 911 call about 1:15 p.m. May 3, a Sunday, and found the victim in her home on the 700 block of Goldenrod Street, in the east end of the city.

Police arrested two 14-year-old girls on the day of the stabbing. They arrested a 14-year-old boy the next day.

Within days of the stabbing, the three were charged in Juvenile Court with allegations that included attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon and burglary. All three were initially held in Juvenile Hall.

The victim, who was found with multiple wounds to her torso, has since recovered "but still has some lingering injuries," Escondido police Sgt. Mike Kearney said Wednesday.

Police haven't said what may have motivated the attack. Kearney, who supervises the department's Gang Investigation Unit, did say investigators determined that the assault was not gang-related.

It's becoming more common for young women to be involved in violence such as fighting, Kearney said.

Jennifer Walters, superintendent of the Escondido Union School District, confirmed in May that the victim had attended Hidden Valley Middle School.

One of the girls suspected in the assault is a former Hidden Valley student who had since moved to an independent study program, Walters said in May. The other two suspects ---- the boy and the other girl ---- had attended the district's Nicolaysen Community Day School, Walters said after the attack.

Call staff writer Teri Figueroa at 760-740-5442.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 17, 2009, 03:14:42 PM
Possibly we should look at this from another angle..

What if these 3 had murdered the girl and they walked out with no witness..

Do you think any one of the 3 would have ever said a word about it ?

Snitching is a major crime among kids today. This breaks all the rules of how we raise kids, expecting that you and I raised our kids by teaching them Honesty and Integrity.
Of course they would not have been in the house to attack the girl in the first place..

PLUS, This girl goes one step further and threatens the others from saying anything.
We do not know what that threat was or if it will be carried out by others later on.

In another case a boy was murdered at a party in Escondido and there were 50 witnesses and not one of these 50 people has said WHO the killer was.
His murder remains unsolved.

Not Snitching come from the Prison life and is driven by gangs on the streets who rotate in and out of prison.
People stay quiet because of fear of reprisal and this is how Drug gangs keep the population of Mexico quiet.

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 17, 2009, 04:24:04 PM
Hi All,
Thank you all so much for getting some action going on Amber's case! It is so great to see so many posts! I know that LE has checked out the SO's in Escondido. Others have as well. Interesting to find out that SO's are NOT supposed to have Halloween decorations up AT ALL. One of the SO's that some people checked out had his decorations up. Uh oh! There is a large hispanic population in Escondido. Many of them are not legal. You have to wonder how many of the illegals are SO's from Mexico that we would not even know about. I will ask Carrie about the SO's closest to the house. Many of the psychics have talked about Amber having passed away. I just do not get that feeling at all. I don't know why. I have no psychic abilities what so ever. What I have wondered about is this. How would I find out if any of the neighbors within a certain mile radius has a basement. Like one of the SO's mentioned?

I never rule them out because they have friends and family that are also offenders. The one with the decorations? That tells me he is trying to lure people to his house. Make it look friendly and harmless, he is a threat and will offend again soon. Did LE rule him out? Le makes mistakes...When they first looked at this case it was as a runaway or an endangered missing, not as a kidnapping, the focus was different. When you post that LE has looked at them along with other people it makes me feel you are trying to turn the focus away from them, I don't think that is a wise thing to do imo. If amber was kidnapped and no ransom has been asked for then chances are she was taken by a SO, what better place to focus on then the ones out and getting ready to offend again. (I wish someone could please explain to me why on earth these criminals are not all serving life for hurting a child as they have done!)
I would love to find out Amber is alive, I pray for her to be found so she can give her mama a big huge hug. I just think the chances of that are not as high as her no longer being alive. I think both cases need to be considered. If she is no longer alive which I pray is not the case she needs to be laid to rest in a proper fashion, she deserves that.

I do a property search within the county of the home. Are you talking about 322 Vista? I can see what I can find if you want but I don't think any of the homes in that area would have basements/cellars considering the age of the homes but you never know. One thing to look for is building permits for any structures or room additions to a home. You can find that through the county offices.



Good to see renewed interest here.  I fear most of us previous posters now just come on, look for news and move on.   A fresh look from the beginning can only help.   

Back when Amber's Gmother was posting here there was some talk and research on how to find basements in the area.   Also talk of the SO on Vista.   Maybe someone of you can come up with something new.   
Chi-M





I would love to, any suggestions?
 
One thing I did a while back was check to see who else had gone missing when Amber did just in the case she is with another person who I would assume would also be missing.
This is what I found.
 
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1115852&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=1116813&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=1117226&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

The first one is a boy that is missing from Northern CA, then 2 girls from So CA, all within a few days of Amber going missing. Now the boy interested me because he is tall and thin, much like the boy seen with Amber that morning. It could take a few days for someone to make their way down to that area of So CA from Nor CAL without a car.

Here is a question I have, can and does FBI find out who calls to a cell phone when their number is blocked? Wouldn't that be a violation of privacy? Or in the case of a person missing that over rides privicy concerns and they are given that information?

I was wondering about the train ride from Escondido CA to Orange County. Could Amber have met someone on the train? 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 17, 2009, 04:25:07 PM
The pic on Ambers flyer, when was that taken?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 17, 2009, 04:32:44 PM
This is the flyer I was speaking of.

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=1116113&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 18, 2009, 02:38:48 AM
Did Amber attend Hidden Valley Middle School prior to moving to EHS in Fall of 2008?

In light of Elizabeth Olten's death in Jefferson City, MO, I think that something like this could be pertinent:



http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_62783c6f-f8a4-550a-a1eb-ae47f75fd8aa.html?mode=story

ESCONDIDO: Girl, 14, to be tried as adult in stabbing

By TERI FIGUEROA - tfigueroa@nctimes.com | Posted: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 9:25 pm | (15) Comments

Font Size: Default font size Larger font size A 14-year-old Escondido girl who allegedly stabbed another teenage girl seven months ago will be tried as an adult, a prosecutor said Wednesday.

The child is set to be arraigned Thursday afternoon in a Vista courtroom and charges will be filed at that time, Deputy District Attorney Kristie Nickoletich said.

Nickoletich declined to say what charges may be brought against the teenager. When the girl was first charged in Juvenile Court in May, she was charged with attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, burglary and dissuading a witness from providing information.

Nickoletich said "the nature of the case" is what led prosecutors to try the girl as an adult, but she declined to give specific details.

Not many details of what happened during the May 3 stabbing in the victim's home have been made public, but police said the attack was not motivated by gang activity.

Earlier this week, a Juvenile Court judge found the child unfit to be tried in Juvenile Court, Nickoletich said. The ruling cleared the way for prosecutors to charge her as an adult.

The request for a finding that a child is unfit for Juvenile Court is generally made by prosecutors seeking to try a child as an adult.

Nickoletich declined to comment on the status of the cases facing the two other teenagers arrested after the stabbing. It is unclear if prosecutors will seek to try them as adults as well.

Escondido police have said they received a 911 call about 1:15 p.m. May 3, a Sunday, and found the victim in her home on the 700 block of Goldenrod Street, in the east end of the city.

Police arrested two 14-year-old girls on the day of the stabbing. They arrested a 14-year-old boy the next day.

Within days of the stabbing, the three were charged in Juvenile Court with allegations that included attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon and burglary. All three were initially held in Juvenile Hall.

The victim, who was found with multiple wounds to her torso, has since recovered "but still has some lingering injuries," Escondido police Sgt. Mike Kearney said Wednesday.

Police haven't said what may have motivated the attack. Kearney, who supervises the department's Gang Investigation Unit, did say investigators determined that the assault was not gang-related.

It's becoming more common for young women to be involved in violence such as fighting, Kearney said.

Jennifer Walters, superintendent of the Escondido Union School District, confirmed in May that the victim had attended Hidden Valley Middle School.

One of the girls suspected in the assault is a former Hidden Valley student who had since moved to an independent study program, Walters said in May. The other two suspects ---- the boy and the other girl ---- had attended the district's Nicolaysen Community Day School, Walters said after the attack.

Call staff writer Teri Figueroa at 760-740-5442.


Hi Lovinlife!
I will check with Carrie but I am almost positive that Amber did not ever attend Hidden Valley. Hidden Valley has a huge hispanic population of kids. The house were the murder took place on Goldenrod is also a hispanic neighborhood. My guess is that these may have been gang want to bes.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 18, 2009, 02:41:37 AM
Possibly we should look at this from another angle..

What if these 3 had murdered the girl and they walked out with no witness..

Do you think any one of the 3 would have ever said a word about it ?

Snitching is a major crime among kids today. This breaks all the rules of how we raise kids, expecting that you and I raised our kids by teaching them Honesty and Integrity.
Of course they would not have been in the house to attack the girl in the first place..

PLUS, This girl goes one step further and threatens the others from saying anything.
We do not know what that threat was or if it will be carried out by others later on.

In another case a boy was murdered at a party in Escondido and there were 50 witnesses and not one of these 50 people has said WHO the killer was.
His murder remains unsolved.

Not Snitching come from the Prison life and is driven by gangs on the streets who rotate in and out of prison.
People stay quiet because of fear of reprisal and this is how Drug gangs keep the population of Mexico quiet.

 

Hi Edward!
Do you have the name of the teen that was murdered? I know that I and many others have spoken to Amber's friends and if they know anything, they are keeping mum. I do find it very odd that so many of them do not even mention Amber on their myspace accounts. The ones that do mention Amber do not do so very often. One girl was mentioning Amber and another boy responded that she "should move on". These are some cold and callous kids in my opinion.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 18, 2009, 02:43:35 AM
Hi All,
I just wanted to let you know that Carrie is still working on her response to all of your questions. With the holidays approaching, Carrie is having a very hard time.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 18, 2009, 02:48:26 AM
Hi All,
Thank you all so much for getting some action going on Amber's case! It is so great to see so many posts! I know that LE has checked out the SO's in Escondido. Others have as well. Interesting to find out that SO's are NOT supposed to have Halloween decorations up AT ALL. One of the SO's that some people checked out had his decorations up. Uh oh! There is a large hispanic population in Escondido. Many of them are not legal. You have to wonder how many of the illegals are SO's from Mexico that we would not even know about. I will ask Carrie about the SO's closest to the house. Many of the psychics have talked about Amber having passed away. I just do not get that feeling at all. I don't know why. I have no psychic abilities what so ever. What I have wondered about is this. How would I find out if any of the neighbors within a certain mile radius has a basement. Like one of the SO's mentioned?

I never rule them out because they have friends and family that are also offenders. The one with the decorations? That tells me he is trying to lure people to his house. Make it look friendly and harmless, he is a threat and will offend again soon. Did LE rule him out? Le makes mistakes...When they first looked at this case it was as a runaway or an endangered missing, not as a kidnapping, the focus was different. When you post that LE has looked at them along with other people it makes me feel you are trying to turn the focus away from them, I don't think that is a wise thing to do imo. If amber was kidnapped and no ransom has been asked for then chances are she was taken by a SO, what better place to focus on then the ones out and getting ready to offend again. (I wish someone could please explain to me why on earth these criminals are not all serving life for hurting a child as they have done!)
I would love to find out Amber is alive, I pray for her to be found so she can give her mama a big huge hug. I just think the chances of that are not as high as her no longer being alive. I think both cases need to be considered. If she is no longer alive which I pray is not the case she needs to be laid to rest in a proper fashion, she deserves that.

I do a property search within the county of the home. Are you talking about 322 Vista? I can see what I can find if you want but I don't think any of the homes in that area would have basements/cellars considering the age of the homes but you never know. One thing to look for is building permits for any structures or room additions to a home. You can find that through the county offices.



Good to see renewed interest here.  I fear most of us previous posters now just come on, look for news and move on.   A fresh look from the beginning can only help.   

Back when Amber's Gmother was posting here there was some talk and research on how to find basements in the area.   Also talk of the SO on Vista.   Maybe someone of you can come up with something new.   
Chi-M





I would love to, any suggestions?
 
One thing I did a while back was check to see who else had gone missing when Amber did just in the case she is with another person who I would assume would also be missing.
This is what I found.
 
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1115852&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=1116813&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=1117226&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

The first one is a boy that is missing from Northern CA, then 2 girls from So CA, all within a few days of Amber going missing. Now the boy interested me because he is tall and thin, much like the boy seen with Amber that morning. It could take a few days for someone to make their way down to that area of So CA from Nor CAL without a car.

Here is a question I have, can and does FBI find out who calls to a cell phone when their number is blocked? Wouldn't that be a violation of privacy? Or in the case of a person missing that over rides privicy concerns and they are given that information?

I was wondering about the train ride from Escondido CA to Orange County. Could Amber have met someone on the train? 

Hi Tracy,
Kraft was on one of my lists as well. I will have to go through my notes to see why I have not looked at her too hard. If Amber met someone on the train, it would be news to everyone. She either did not meet anyone or was very closed mouthed about it. I try to remind Carrie how devious we both were at Amber's age. Carrie is the type of mother who was not an excellent child, like myself, lol. She used to go through Amber's backpack, etc. There is not much that can get by Carrie, but who knows.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 18, 2009, 04:27:15 AM
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1123592&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

This girl, Jessica Jardon went missing from Santa Ana 10 days after Amber. Santa Ana is just about an hour away depending on traffic. The other girl that Tracy listed above is from Orange which is close to Santa Ana.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 18, 2009, 04:29:18 AM
So.....three girls with dark hair in their teens go missing within an hours drive from each other all in the month of February. Coincidence? Maybe we should start digging to see how many more we can come up with.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 18, 2009, 12:45:46 PM
I do not trust the fellow in the Red Truck.. I do not care what he said, his truck should have been searched by a LE forensics team just to make sure.

ANY S.O. who lived in the walking range of Amber to the High School should have had his home and vehicles searched by LE.

What ever happened to Amber happened withing minutes of her walking from her home to the school. That is the HOT Area and everyone should stay focused on that.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on December 18, 2009, 01:14:59 PM
Hi All,
Thank you all so much for getting some action going on Amber's case! It is so great to see so many posts! I know that LE has checked out the SO's in Escondido. Others have as well. Interesting to find out that SO's are NOT supposed to have Halloween decorations up AT ALL. One of the SO's that some people checked out had his decorations up. Uh oh! There is a large hispanic population in Escondido. Many of them are not legal. You have to wonder how many of the illegals are SO's from Mexico that we would not even know about. I will ask Carrie about the SO's closest to the house. Many of the psychics have talked about Amber having passed away. I just do not get that feeling at all. I don't know why. I have no psychic abilities what so ever. What I have wondered about is this. How would I find out if any of the neighbors within a certain mile radius has a basement. Like one of the SO's mentioned?

I never rule them out because they have friends and family that are also offenders. The one with the decorations? That tells me he is trying to lure people to his house. Make it look friendly and harmless, he is a threat and will offend again soon. Did LE rule him out? Le makes mistakes...When they first looked at this case it was as a runaway or an endangered missing, not as a kidnapping, the focus was different. When you post that LE has looked at them along with other people it makes me feel you are trying to turn the focus away from them, I don't think that is a wise thing to do imo. If amber was kidnapped and no ransom has been asked for then chances are she was taken by a SO, what better place to focus on then the ones out and getting ready to offend again. (I wish someone could please explain to me why on earth these criminals are not all serving life for hurting a child as they have done!)
I would love to find out Amber is alive, I pray for her to be found so she can give her mama a big huge hug. I just think the chances of that are not as high as her no longer being alive. I think both cases need to be considered. If she is no longer alive which I pray is not the case she needs to be laid to rest in a proper fashion, she deserves that.

I do a property search within the county of the home. Are you talking about 322 Vista? I can see what I can find if you want but I don't think any of the homes in that area would have basements/cellars considering the age of the homes but you never know. One thing to look for is building permits for any structures or room additions to a home. You can find that through the county offices.



Good to see renewed interest here.  I fear most of us previous posters now just come on, look for news and move on.   A fresh look from the beginning can only help.   

Back when Amber's Gmother was posting here there was some talk and research on how to find basements in the area.   Also talk of the SO on Vista.   Maybe someone of you can come up with something new.   
Chi-M





I would love to, any suggestions?
 
One thing I did a while back was check to see who else had gone missing when Amber did just in the case she is with another person who I would assume would also be missing.
This is what I found.
 
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1115852&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=1116813&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=1117226&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

The first one is a boy that is missing from Northern CA, then 2 girls from So CA, all within a few days of Amber going missing. Now the boy interested me because he is tall and thin, much like the boy seen with Amber that morning. It could take a few days for someone to make their way down to that area of So CA from Nor CAL without a car.

Here is a question I have, can and does FBI find out who calls to a cell phone when their number is blocked? Wouldn't that be a violation of privacy? Or in the case of a person missing that over rides privicy concerns and they are given that information?

I was wondering about the train ride from Escondido CA to Orange County. Could Amber have met someone on the train? 
 

Actually I do have a few dozen ideas, all of which were posted months ago.   

I like your question about the train ride.  Also, she visited often in Orange County.  Did she have any friends there?    We tried to discuss this, but no information was forthcoming.   On her last train ride Gmother said she texted often and seemed nervous. 

We are so lacking in hard facts that our speculations have us all over the place.  Personally, I tend to stick with the most likely possibilities.  I think is unlikely that she was kidnapped into the sex trade, and/or shipped to Mexico.  If she was, we probably cannot do anything for her now.  I could not rule it out, but the chances are far less than than 1%.     

At the beginning of Amber's disappearance, LE seemed convinced that she was a runaway.  At the beginning, Carrie seemed convinced that she was abducted by a stranger.     IMO either could be right, but I doubt it. 

Friends, relatives of friends, workmen at the house or school, neighbors etc. seem worth a look.  My earlier questions about her church, clubs and other non school activities went unanswered, so another dead-end.  Perhaps you who know could check them out, especially church youth group leaders.  As I recall, Amber had recently become more religious. 

I sincerely hope you who are now close to Carrie can help with the research and  brainstorming.   She certainly does not "owe" answers to any of us, but  giving up a little might be productive in finding out what happened to Amber.

Good luck.   

Chi-M





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 18, 2009, 05:56:30 PM
I do not trust the fellow in the Red Truck.. I do not care what he said, his truck should have been searched by a LE forensics team just to make sure.

ANY S.O. who lived in the walking range of Amber to the High School should have had his home and vehicles searched by LE.

What ever happened to Amber happened withing minutes of her walking from her home to the school. That is the HOT Area and everyone should stay focused on that.



There is so much about this case that still is unanswered and I will admit, it bothers me.
There should be more then what is posted on this case, we should have the most basic of answers.
Edward the guy with the truck was not fully investigated? His truck was not searched? Can you tell us what he said? You know for a long time I have felt that truck was an obvious answer.

Chi-monkey I hear exactly what you are saying. I sometimes feel the last thing anyone wants is for us to discuss this case.

 As far as the train, she necessarily didn't have to sit and talk with someone, however someone could have spotted her and stalked her. That happens in kidnapping cases a lot, think Jaycee? If I remember correctly that is a commuter train, many people travel on that consistently. She could have been talking about school or had something on one day with the school name, anyone who wanted to find her, could have. I think this is more then possible.

The SO neighbor on the corner she passes every single day, that is possible, the SO on Ash who is only 60 something, that is possible. A teacher at school, a person who was working at the farm or from the place the animals come from, that is possible. A fellow commuter on the train, a friend or neighbor in OC that is possible, Church groups, other groups...I sill would like to know what leads came in, surely someone had seen something that day or around that day.

One thing about this thread which is different from others on the board, there are no locals posting, other then sebastian anyway, but no locals coming on and giving updates on the case, sharing photos, etc. Other then Sebastian, where are the locals? Also, why on earth are girls still walking alone on the street to and from school? The google pics are telling of a community that just doesn't seem to take this seriously, why is that? Does everyone feel Amber is just another run away? If so, why is that?

When I look at Amber's pics I get a bit confused some seem to be of Amber at a much younger age and a different time of development. There are 2 pics she is dressed up and has make up on, her hair is a bit longer and she appears more grown up, then the others are of a younger amber, maybe a couple of years ago, maybe before 13? Which is the most recent pic of Amber?

Someone said Amber is new to that area? Or did you mean she was new to the high school? I think Sebastian said she didn't think amber would cut through the parking lot of that church/school because she is new to the school and wouldn't know to? She had been going there for over 5 months, right? 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on December 18, 2009, 06:45:12 PM
Yes, Tracygirl, I too have trouble with the idea that in 5 months Amber would not learn how to cut through a parking lot to school, and several other assumptions we have been told.    Ridiculous comes to mind.

I just hate conspiracy theories, but here I wonder if there is a reason that discussion is discouraged.  Who benefits from shutting us down?  Who may be hiding something?   I  think that LE, family members, friends, teachers, neighbors would have something to say about Amber's life and activities.   

Frustrating as this is,  it is not our decision to make.  We cannot make anyone talk.  If secrecy is more important than looking for Amber, then that is that.   Perhaps LE has made mistakes? Family does not want privacy invaded, friends, teachers etc.  just don't want to be involved?   It is near impossible for us to research or contribute ideas without input from locals and feedback on what we have found.

Chi-M
 






Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 18, 2009, 07:45:21 PM
Well I will tell ya chi-monkey there are things that need to be answered and I will just keep posting lists of questions until someone decides to answer them. If anything it will keep the thread alive. I want to know what happened to this girl and I don't plan on giving up.

Sebatian I am going to ask you since you are the only local that posts on this board with us, what are you feelings about this case? What do you feel happened that day? I don't want the standard, well carrie seems to think or the family says this, or I spoke to Carrie, I want your feelings. You say you were a bit of a wild one as a teen, so was I, lol. At 14 a girl notices boys (or girls depending on preference). She may not say so, but she does. Amber started to dress up a bit more, her hair was growing out, she started to wear make-up. At 14 years old and in high school it would be very unlikely this was not because of a boy or boys in general. If she were 9 or 10 or even 12, I would accept that a bit easier, but 14 and in high school? I know she was a good student, loved 4-H and so on, but none of that as far as I know, delays normal developement.
I am going to go back and read from the beginning of this case.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 18, 2009, 08:42:51 PM
Hi All,
Again, I really appreciate all of the action that Amber's case is getting right now. To answer your question, Tracygirl, here goes. I did not know either Carrie or Amber until after Amber went missing. I went to a vigil and introduced myself to Carrie. I continued to go to vigils and email with Carrie. As time has gone on, I have gotten to know Carrie pretty well. It is really hard trying to decide what I should and should not put on this board. This is someone's little girl. There are many theories, SO's and such that Carrie and I and others have thrown around and have or are still following up on. I don't want to let the cat out of the bag in case we actually might be heading in the right direction, although that does not seem likely. Carrie is a very strong, tough lady. Having said this, she puts up a front but could fall apart at any moment. She has a really hard time posting on these boards. She wants to give as much information as she can and she starts writing a novel. She gets tired or frustated and ends up giving up. She needs people around her all of the time so that she does not feel vulnerable. When she has the quiet time to write on these boards it is just too much raw emotion, if that makes sense. I have been to Carries house, have met many closest to her. The one thing that I know with completely certainty is that Carrie had nothing to do with Amber's disappearance. Other than that, I can only go by what I have been told or what my gut tells me. Carrie was a wild child and would know if Amber was up to something. That is just my feeling and assessment of the situation. When you were a wild child, you know the signs and your kids are put through the ringer if you care enough to make sure that they do not walk down the wrong path. Carrie is a caring mother who paid attention to Amber. She looked over her shoulder all of the time. To my knowledge Amber never even gave Carrie a reason to doubt her, but Carrie still watched to make sure. I had a lengthy conversation with one of Amber's best friends at one of the vigils. She appeared to be open and honest and said that Amber would not leave on her own. Again, these are just things that I have been told and my gut hunches. I am NOT PSYCHIC, LOL. Amber would take the train to see her father. Could someone have seen her on the train? Sure. How would we go about tracking that person down? Amber hung out with her father and her cousin in Orange County. Yes, I have told Carrie to drill the cousin all over again. The cousin as well as everyone else I can think of has been drilled numerous times by LE. The cousin and Amber were close and got along very well. They were around the same age. It is my understanding that the cousin, as well as the rest of the family is heartbroken and has no clue what happened to Amber. I will tell you the same thing I tell Carrie. I believe that Amber either left on her own or was abducted. I only say that she may have left on her own, because she has not been found (deceased) and it still boggles my mind how she could disappear on a busy street. I definately lean 90% more towards an abduction. Amber lived in a very nice house with a pool that she loved, Carrie spoiled her a bit and Amber was all about getting good grades so that she could go to college. Amber wrote Carrie a two page letter explaining why she needed a lamb for 4-H. It was so cute. Carrie has it in a protected cover and let me read it. Carrie and Amber would leave each other little notes around the house. They are very close. I know this bond. I have this same kind of bond with my daughter. Could my child fool me and pull the wool over my eyes. Maybe, but VERY unlikely. I will try to get a hold of Carrie about some of the other questions.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 18, 2009, 08:44:07 PM
Tracygirl,
I never said anything about Amber not cutting across to get to school. It must have been someone else.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 18, 2009, 08:48:06 PM
Oh, I almost forgot. I found this REALLY interesting! I went up to Valley Center today. It is about 10 minutes from Escondido. There was a missing persons sign in one of the markets for a man named John L. Scott. I asked the girl working in the store how long he had been missing and she said she did not know, that someone brought the sign in yesterday. I looked all over the internet but could not find a thing. It says he was missing from Pala. That could mean that he lives in Pala, (another 5 minutes away) or he lives somewhere else and went missing from the Pala Casino. If anyone can find anything on him, would you please post it. TIA


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 18, 2009, 08:48:14 PM
It's been 24 days since an Escondido teenager went missing without a trace. In this News 8 CrimeFighters investigation, we take a closer look at the timeline in the disappearance of Amber Dubois.


Friday, Feb. 13 7:10 a.m.: Parents spot 9th grader Amber Dubois walking to school two blocks north of Escondido High School. It's the only confirmed sighting of Amber by two separate witnesses.

"There were other kids coming down Broadway. There were kids being dropped off at the south corner of the stadium," parent David Wahlquist said.

Because other students and vehicles are in the area, police say it's unlikely Amber was abducted from the street.

"The assumption is she continued past or went into the high school, but as far as an abduction, that would cause a commotion, and somebody would recognize that," Escondido Police Lt. Craig Carter said.

7:30 a.m.: Amber never shows up for class. The school leaves a voicemail for Amber's mother, but it isn't until 4 p.m. on Friday that the mother's boyfriend comes home from work to find Amber missing.

Later that night, Verizon Wireless resets the password on Amber's cell phone so Amber's frantic mother can access her daughter's cell phone voicemail.

"I'm trying to keep things positive but it's really hard," Amber's mother Carrie McGonigle said.

Saturday, Feb. 14: Amber's cell phone is turned on for less than 30 seconds and pings off a cell phone tower in North Escondido. Whoever turned it on tried to access voicemail but was unsuccessful because the password had already been reset.

"The person dialed #86 to attempt to reach voicemail, couldn't get through and then they turned off the phone immediately," Amber's father Maurice Dubois said.

Police flood the neighborhood near the cell phone tower with reverse 911 calls, but fail to locate Amber. On Saturday night in downtown Escondido, a former classmate reports seeing Amber walking with two teenagers on Grand Avenue near Palomar Hospital. The sighting is unconfirmed.

Sunday night, Feb. 15: Another unconfirmed sighting near the intersection of Rincon Avenue and Conway. Search and rescue volunteers canvas the area handing out fliers, but still no Amber. She's been gone one week now, and friends at a candlelight vigil say there's no way Amber ran away.

"I know for a fact that there's zero percent chance that she just took off. That's an impossibility to me," friend Jade Fidell said.

Private investigator Bill Garcia organizes weekend searches. Then on March 3, a neighbor reports three teenage girls hiking near caves above Eastern Rincon Avenue.

"One of them, looking through binoculars, looked a lot like her," Escondido neighbor Tom Davids said.

The girls are never located, and the sighting is once again unconfirmed.

March 6: the family sets up Amber search headquarters. National organizations join the effort, offering a $50,000 reward for the girl's safe return.

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=9975976&nav=menu1607_2_1

Comment posted by reader..
Idea
Monday, March 09, 2009Maybe she forgot something and walked back home and something happened to her there.





*bump*
Edward do you recall this post? Please read it and update any information that may have changed since then. What surprised me was I didn't know the password had been reset, that changes this for me.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 18, 2009, 08:55:06 PM
Someone asked why Escondido locals do not come on this board. I think that there have been a few on other sites that I have seen. I can tell you that there is a loyal group of people who show up for Amber's vigils. The last vigil was rather smaller but it was a cold rainy day. I don't know how any local could not be aware of Amber. Most of the stores and restaurants still have her signs up. I just went through a fast food place tonight that had her sign. There are also many locals who drive around with Amber's signs on their cars. I think Amber's sisters and Grandmother have been on this site in the past. The news media has been great in that they have shown up for every vigil and run a story.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 18, 2009, 08:56:24 PM
The reason there is silence is because we are looking for a live Amber. Because this is a public forum and anybody can read here. Those that have her may read here and try to counter any moves intended to find her..  IF we had a private area of this forum where cases like this could be researched and recorded, then we could talk about almost anything..
There is reason to believe she is alive. Professionals have suggested such.
 That is the reason for silence from the family in the Scared Monkeys Forum.

 But I am not blind to the fact that this situation has characteristics of a very bad situation.
The amount of attacks on young girls by males is astronomical and the high population of Hispanic males involved in these cases is frightning.
If that is true then time is the enemy. I know Amber's mom has been out looking from both directions and she is not blind or afraid to find the answer one way or another. She is one very energy filled woman who wants answers.
 Ambers friends are quiet..
 But really how long did Amber live in this area ? Not Long. These are not lifetime friends just aquaintences.

And Sebastian any boy who was supposedly her friend and for him to say to Ambersmom that she should just get over it and move on.. Well there are only 2 reasons I can think of for a statement like that..

1. The poor boy was born without Balls... We should all pray for him..Poor Thing..

2. The boy is afraid of getting his present balls cut off by some person..
Maybe Like his dad who drives a red truck !! Or he has a friend who has a dad who drives a red truck and that friend threatened to cut off his whatevers...

Anyways Ambersmom has many professional people helping her and one in particular is a police officer which I seem to trust even though I do not know her..
The other professionals I could wipe my back end with as I have never seen Mark save one person yet.. But he does help out with financial matters which do cost money and Amber's mom has done wonderful things in producing literature and sending it to every police department in the nation. This mom has crossed the borders and chatted with a very corrupted Machismo police force in Mexico. She has done a lot and people who are not in her situation need to know that this family all stay up 24 hours a day looking for there loved child Amber LeeAnn Dubois and I do not know How they do that..
God Bless Amber's family God help them find her.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 18, 2009, 08:56:45 PM
Thank you Sebastian, I want you to know as well as everyone else, I have never thought her mom or dad has anything to do with this. What has concerned me is I feel they may only be looking at one angle and in one way such as she would never leave or whatever.

I trust this is the most difficult thing a parent can go through, I pray I never know what it is like as it is my worst of worst nightmares. I have been reading back and it has enlightened me on a few things such as possible sightings, the cell phone password being reset (honestly I missed that very important clue) the other attempted kidnappings that happened around that time. I am only on page 2! There is the answer somewhere, maybe it was over looked and going back will bring some clarity. Please, the next time you see Carrie, please tell her I said to stay strong, somehow, some way Amber will be found. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 18, 2009, 08:58:11 PM
Hi Tracygirl,
Why would the password being changed make a difference? I guess I am dense, because I don't get it.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 18, 2009, 09:00:19 PM
The reason there is silence is because we are looking for a live Amber. Because this is a public forum and anybody can read here. Those that have her may read here and try to counter any moves intended to find her..  IF we had a private area of this forum where cases like this could be researched and recorded, then we could talk about almost anything..
There is reason to believe she is alive. Professionals have suggested such.
 That is the reason for silence from the family in the Scared Monkeys Forum.

 But I am not blind to the fact that this situation has characteristics of a very bad situation.
The amount of attacks on young girls by males is astronomical and the high population of Hispanic males involved in these cases is frightning.
If that is true then time is the enemy. I know Amber's mom has been out looking from both directions and she is not blind or afraid to find the answer one way or another. She is one very energy filled woman who wants answers.
 Ambers friends are quiet..
 But really how long did Amber live in this area ? Not Long. These are not lifetime friends just aquaintences.

And Sebastian any boy who was supposedly her friend and for him to say to Ambersmom that she should just get over it and move on.. Well there are only 2 reasons I can think of for a statement like that..

1. The poor boy was born without Balls... We should all pray for him..Poor Thing..

2. The boy is afraid of getting his present balls cut off by some person..
Maybe Like his dad who drives a red truck !! Or he has a friend who has a dad who drives a red truck and that friend threatened to cut off his whatevers...

Anyways Ambersmom has many professional people helping her and one in particular is a police officer which I seem to trust even though I do not know her..
The other professionals I could wipe my back end with as I have never seen Mark save one person yet.. But he does help out with financial matters which do cost money and Amber's mom has done wonderful things in producing literature and sending it to every police department in the nation. This mom has crossed the borders and chatted with a very corrupted Machismo police force in Mexico. She has done a lot and people who are not in her situation need to know that this family all stay up 24 hours a day looking for there loved child Amber LeeAnn Dubois and I do not know How they do that..
God Bless Amber's family God help them find her.

So Edward are you asking for us to not talk about this case?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 18, 2009, 09:02:19 PM
Hi Tracygirl,
Why would the password being changed make a difference? I guess I am dense, because I don't get it.

Because I was thinking a stranger found the phone and tried to access and if it was Amber she would have known the password, unless she was knocked on the head or something. This tells me it could have been Amber who tried to access the voicemail. What gets me though is why were no calls made from it? Unless the sims card was simply changed.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 18, 2009, 09:02:59 PM
Carrie had the password reset so she could listen to messages on the cell phone. In hopes of finding info on who was chatting with amber last and where amber may be.

I have always felt that the attempt to get to the messages was by a perp and not by amber herself. The perp wanted to make sure he was not going to get caught.
That is just my opinion..

Others believe that this was Amber herself.

As time passes I really think I was correct.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 18, 2009, 09:14:36 PM
Carrie had the password reset so she could listen to messages on the cell phone. In hopes of finding info on who was chatting with amber last and where amber may be.

I have always felt that the attempt to get to the messages was by a perp and not by amber herself. The perp wanted to make sure he was not going to get caught.
That is just my opinion..

Others believe that this was Amber herself.

As time passes I really think I was correct.

Hi Edward,
This cellphone thing has driven me crazy from the get go. I have asked several random people what they would do if they had kidnapped a child and found out that the child had a cellphone. The first thing they say is "throw it out the window". I have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that a perp would hang on to a cellphone for a full day and then try to check it for messages? The only way that would make sense to me is if the perp was someone close to Amber and or her family. As you said, they would be trying to see if they got away with it. Perhaps a random perp would keep it for a trophy but Amber was wearing jewelry and such so that seems unlikely as well. Whoever it is, they took a chance by turning it on at all. Another interesting thing to me is that the ping came from North Broadway. That would mean that the person was still in the area 24 hours later. Why not leave immediately while they had the chance?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 18, 2009, 09:15:09 PM
I am saying that is why I myself have avoided posting info as it gives LE and Mom the room to work.
But Time has passed and with Christmas approaching and still no word from Amber ..
 
It is very hard for me to believe that Amber would be that heartless in not contacting one of her loved family members, so she is being held against her will in Mexico if Alive or here inside the United States either way she could be suffering from fear of reprisal or is not on this earth any longer.

I myself think that there was a violent act. I do not know what to think of eye witness accounts on a cold rain driven morning and her other accounts seem to have lead LE is the wrong direction early on.. Was it with good intension or by design ?
It is hard But I trust nobody these days.. Everyone seems to have an agenda.

The red truck was cleared by LE. They have interviewed the fellow and he is well known.
His explanation appears to make LE believe he is not involved.

I wont tell you his explanation but it was stupid considering the scope of this investigation and his red truck pictured on every news web site from California to new york..
 Anyways LE does not consider him.

I do not understand..




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 18, 2009, 09:21:48 PM
Carrie had the password reset so she could listen to messages on the cell phone. In hopes of finding info on who was chatting with amber last and where amber may be.

I have always felt that the attempt to get to the messages was by a perp and not by amber herself. The perp wanted to make sure he was not going to get caught.
That is just my opinion..

Others believe that this was Amber herself.

As time passes I really think I was correct.

Hi Edward,
This cellphone thing has driven me crazy from the get go. I have asked several random people what they would do if they had kidnapped a child and found out that the child had a cellphone. The first thing they say is "throw it out the window". I have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that a perp would hang on to a cellphone for a full day and then try to check it for messages? The only way that would make sense to me is if the perp was someone close to Amber and or her family. As you said, they would be trying to see if they got away with it. Perhaps a random perp would keep it for a trophy but Amber was wearing jewelry and such so that seems unlikely as well. Whoever it is, they took a chance by turning it on at all. Another interesting thing to me is that the ping came from North Broadway. That would mean that the person was still in the area 24 hours later. Why not leave immediately while they had the chance?

He would be a local or staying in the travel trailer park.. He kept her all night and would have hurt her for her password because he was nervous. He still would have intended on suffocating her in the end and he is in fear of being caught and wants no witness..Many times Perps keep there victims alive and abuse them before they Finlay murder them.
Right TracyGirl ?

We all know that this is a fact.. The cell phone being checked the next day does not surprise me because that is when his conscience was working on him.. Who knows how long Amber would be alive after that time..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 18, 2009, 09:28:52 PM
Carrie had the password reset so she could listen to messages on the cell phone. In hopes of finding info on who was chatting with amber last and where amber may be.

I have always felt that the attempt to get to the messages was by a perp and not by amber herself. The perp wanted to make sure he was not going to get caught.
That is just my opinion..

Others believe that this was Amber herself.

As time passes I really think I was correct.

Hi Edward,
This cellphone thing has driven me crazy from the get go. I have asked several random people what they would do if they had kidnapped a child and found out that the child had a cellphone. The first thing they say is "throw it out the window". I have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that a perp would hang on to a cellphone for a full day and then try to check it for messages? The only way that would make sense to me is if the perp was someone close to Amber and or her family. As you said, they would be trying to see if they got away with it. Perhaps a random perp would keep it for a trophy but Amber was wearing jewelry and such so that seems unlikely as well. Whoever it is, they took a chance by turning it on at all. Another interesting thing to me is that the ping came from North Broadway. That would mean that the person was still in the area 24 hours later. Why not leave immediately while they had the chance?

The 38 year old woman who was kinnapped and to this day has not been found ..She was talking with her boyfriend on the phone when the perp showed up to abduct her ..All herd by the boyfriend who was in another state..LE found her cell phone thrown from a vehicle on a lawn not far from where she was abducted..
Perps know to throw that phone !! It is a tracking device.!!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 18, 2009, 09:30:37 PM
I am typing to fast and not doing my spell check again.. Sorry But I think you can read through it.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on December 18, 2009, 09:37:53 PM
I can't get over the fact that it was the day before Valentine's day either.  Some people have sick dillusions.  I think this was sexually motivated.  JMO.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 18, 2009, 09:42:47 PM
Hi Edward,
I too have had a hard time with the explanation regarding the red truck. Such a big deal and then an easy dismissal. I don't like it at all. I have driven around in some of the trailer parks that you mention, they give me the eeby geebies. Isn't it true that a predator usually strikes within a 5 mile radius of his home?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 18, 2009, 09:48:03 PM
I can't get over the fact that it was the day before Valentine's day either.  Some people have sick dillusions.  I think this was sexually motivated.  JMO.

Here is the other biggie for me. Amber is a beautiful girl up close. From afar, she is not petite, 5'3'' 130 pounds. She has short dark hair and was wearing black jeans, a black sweat jacket. From any sort of distance she would look like a boy. Someone may have thought she was a boy and took her or they had seen her up close in the past?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 18, 2009, 09:49:06 PM
Nobody has found one thing that belonged to Amber.
Like no struggle took place.

The only thing I can think is coming down vista going by the other school and that large play field that a vehicle like the white van pulls up and grabs her right off the street !!
It has happened many times with no witness.
It happened in Oakland California this year while a woman was jogging with people everywhere in a very populated area and nobody payed attention because the van blocks the view of what is going on when the side doors open.
It is just that simple and Amber could have been yanked inside in just a few seconds without any kind of witness.
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 18, 2009, 09:52:05 PM
Nobody has found one thing that belonged to Amber.
Like no struggle took place.

The only thing I can think is coming down vista going by the other school and that large play field that a vehicle like the white van pulls up and grabs her right off the street !!
It has happened many times with no witness.
It happened in Oakland California this year while a woman was jogging with people everywhere in a very populated area and nobody payed attention because the van blocks the view of what is going on when the side doors open.
It is just that simple and Amber could have been yanked inside in just a few seconds without any kind of witness.
 
Everyone keeps bringing up a white van. There is an SO in Escondido that drives a white van. I mentioned him before. He has an in-home computer business.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 18, 2009, 09:59:14 PM
It is like that !
It could be that simple.

I guarantee you What ever happened was Just Simple, there was no big plan. It just happened.

That is how they got away with it so far..

IF We ever find this S.O.B. he will say in cout..
"It Just Happened and before I kew it she was in my vehicle."


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 18, 2009, 10:10:25 PM
Nobody has found one thing that belonged to Amber.
Like no struggle took place.

The only thing I can think is coming down vista going by the other school and that large play field that a vehicle like the white van pulls up and grabs her right off the street !!
It has happened many times with no witness.
It happened in Oakland California this year while a woman was jogging with people everywhere in a very populated area and nobody payed attention because the van blocks the view of what is going on when the side doors open.
It is just that simple and Amber could have been yanked inside in just a few seconds without any kind of witness.
 
Everyone keeps bringing up a white van. There is an SO in Escondido that drives a white van. I mentioned him before. He has an in-home computer business.

For me the white van is relative to a murder case in Redono Beach of a bartender and the woman's body was found in San Bernadino and it is also relative to the little boy who was kidnapped and later found in Mexico wandering the streets.. The White van in Redondo Beach did a attempted Kidnap prior to the woman who was murdered of a girl who worked with police to create a drawing of the suspects that match the little boy kidnapped in San Bernadino
It could be the same 2 guys. They have practiced and followed through on both Abductions and Murder already and the F.B.I. knows who they are but just like the fool in the Walmart Molestation case the law enforcement professionals have photo id and names but to this day nobody is arrested..
The woman bartenders body was found outside of San Bernadino in the hills by a road crew working the area..
Very Very frustrating to watch that.. I am sure it is frustrating for LE Officials also.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 18, 2009, 10:19:04 PM
My point was that the perps took the woman a long distance to dispose of the body.

The common factor seems to be San Bernadino. They appear to have business there..

If they were staying outside of Escondido then they at some point end up back in San Bernadino and so therefore the search areas have to move north and if they got away with one disposal in a area they may feel comfortable with that area to do it again..

I know some professionals search and rescue teams may disagree with me on this but why not just do the search anyways ??

I know it is a long shot.. But what the heck ?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 18, 2009, 10:28:49 PM
My point was that the perps took the woman a long distance to dispose of the body.

The common factor seems to be San Bernadino. They appear to have business there..

If they were staying outside of Escondido then they at some point end up back in San Bernadino and so therefore the search areas have to move north and if they got away with one disposal in a area they may feel comfortable with that area to do it again..

I know some professionals search and rescue teams may disagree with me on this but why not just do the search anyways ??

I know it is a long shot.. But what the heck ?

What part of San Bernardino was the woman found in? This is not surprising to me. I have another house in the San Bernardino mountains, up in Lake Arrowhead. There is another area close by called Crestline. Crestline is a darling town but many of the people are very very sketchy to say the least. Lots of drugs up there and lots of crime.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on December 18, 2009, 10:42:24 PM
The reason there is silence is because we are looking for a live Amber. Because this is a public forum and anybody can read here. Those that have her may read here and try to counter any moves intended to find her..  IF we had a private area of this forum where cases like this could be researched and recorded, then we could talk about almost anything..
There is reason to believe she is alive. Professionals have suggested such.
 That is the reason for silence from the family in the Scared Monkeys Forum.

 But I am not blind to the fact that this situation has characteristics of a very bad situation.
The amount of attacks on young girls by males is astronomical and the high population of Hispanic males involved in these cases is frightning.
If that is true then time is the enemy. I know Amber's mom has been out looking from both directions and she is not blind or afraid to find the answer one way or another. She is one very energy filled woman who wants answers.
 Ambers friends are quiet..
 But really how long did Amber live in this area ? Not Long. These are not lifetime friends just aquaintences.

And Sebastian any boy who was supposedly her friend and for him to say to Ambersmom that she should just get over it and move on.. Well there are only 2 reasons I can think of for a statement like that..

1. The poor boy was born without Balls... We should all pray for him..Poor Thing..

2. The boy is afraid of getting his present balls cut off by some person..
Maybe Like his dad who drives a red truck !! Or he has a friend who has a dad who drives a red truck and that friend threatened to cut off his whatevers...

Anyways Ambersmom has many professional people helping her and one in particular is a police officer which I seem to trust even though I do not know her..
The other professionals I could wipe my back end with as I have never seen Mark save one person yet.. But he does help out with financial matters which do cost money and Amber's mom has done wonderful things in producing literature and sending it to every police department in the nation. This mom has crossed the borders and chatted with a very corrupted Machismo police force in Mexico. She has done a lot and people who are not in her situation need to know that this family all stay up 24 hours a day looking for there loved child Amber LeeAnn Dubois and I do not know How they do that..
God Bless Amber's family God help them find her.

Thank you for an honest clear explanation.   Doesn't this mean that we should just stop posting anything?  If that's what will help, that's what I will do.      Hope they are getting close to finding her.

Chi-M


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 18, 2009, 11:06:24 PM
I think we should keep posting. It lets everyone know that we will not let Amber be forgotten. It lets LE and the media know that there are those of us who still wants answers and will not give up until Amber is brought home. There may be some questions that will not be answered for reasons explained by Edward, but we have to keep posting! I cannot help it, but my gut says she is alive and out there somewhere!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 18, 2009, 11:12:02 PM
Yikes Edward! Lots of bodies being found in San Bernardino

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-12262240.html this was a 35 year old woman, Josephine Alonzo Garibay found deceased 11-13-06 on a hill


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 18, 2009, 11:17:18 PM
Another female body found in San Bernardino, the waitress?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 18, 2009, 11:20:08 PM
http://www.insidesocal.com/news247/2009/02/body-found-in-running-springs.html Another body found, Cori Daye Desmond, female, 28 found on the side of the road in Running Springs in the San Bernardino Mts. Found 2-17-09


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 18, 2009, 11:33:33 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/23/grace.coldcase.sierra/index.html / Brenda Sierra, 15, body found in CRESTLINE 2002.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 18, 2009, 11:42:25 PM
Edward,
The amount of missing people in San Bernardino as well as bodies being found....I had no idea! This story may give you an idea as to how and why perps have been getting away with it.
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/11/police_reopen_barbara_larkins.php


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 19, 2009, 12:49:42 AM
http://www.insidesocal.com/news247/2009/02/body-found-in-running-springs.html Another body found, Cori Daye Desmond, female, 28 found on the side of the road in Running Springs in the San Bernardino Mts. Found 2-17-09

Thank You for having me go back and look into this for updates.. It shoots the hell out of this theory I had on the 2 males who I thought may be involved but what is has done is give some sense of closier for the family of this poor lady.. Anyways it appears it has been solved..


UPDATE: Oct. 9, 2009, 3 p.m.:

A suspect has been arrested in the homicide investigation involving the death of 28-year-old Torrance resident Cori Daye Desmond. Desmond's body was found stuffed inside a bag near a turnout off Highway 330 in Running Springs in February.

A 35-year-old man named Tony Lopez Perez was arrested Thursday in connection with the killing. Homicide detectives interviewed hundreds of people and served several search warrants, and received 50 tips from anonymous sources through WeTip.

San Bernardino County sheriff's detectives announced the arrest of Perez for the murder of Desmond at a 2 p.m. press conference today. Detectives spoke to Perez at his home on Oct. 8, and he then agreed to go to San Bernardino County Sheriff's headquarters in San Bernardino for more questioning. He was subsequently arrested. He is being held at Central Detention Center in San Bernardino without bail.

Sheriff's officials were lead to Perez through an anonymous tip. He sold his Dodge Durango and purchased a new car since February. Detectives served a search warrant for the vehicle and found unidentified evidence in the SUV, which has since been sold to a new owner. Physical evidence was recovered and processed at the Sheriff's Scientific Investigation Division.

Desmond was last seen Feb. 15 at the Bac Street Lounge in Redondo Beach. An security camera captured her image walking from her car to a bar to use the restroom. She was never seen alive again. A motorist found her body the next day.

The above is an update to the story below:

It's been more than a week since the body of 28-year-old Cori Daye Desmond was found near a turnout on Highway 330. The Torrance resident was last seen Feb. 16 leaving the BAC Street Lounge in Redondo Beach, where she was a former employee.

The next person known to have seen her was the unidentified motorist who spotted her foot protruding from a plastic bag on the roadside in lower Running Springs, according to Cindy Beavers, spokesperson for the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department.

The coroner's office completed the autopsy on Desmond on Feb. 20, but the results are not yet available. “It's too close to the investigation to release,” says Sandy Fatland, San Bernardino County Coroner spokesperson. “We have been asked by the detectives not to release the information.”

According to Redondo Beach Police, Desmond's 1998 blue Jeep Wrangler was found on Feb. 15 a short distance from the bar at 1901 MacKay Lane in Redondo Beach. Surveillance tapes show her leaving BAC Street Lounge alone after closing time.

Redondo Beach Police told KNBC 4 that Desmond was seen arguing with a man before leaving BAC Street Lounge. The man was interviewed and released by San Bernardino County Sheriff's homicide detectives.

It is not yet known whether Desmond was killed in Running Springs or closer to Redondo Beach. There are no suspects in custody and the investigation is ongoing.

Anyone who has information regarding this investigation is urged to contact Sgt. Tony DeCecio or Detective Trevis Newport at 909-387-3589. Those wishing to remain anonymous may call We Tip at 1-800-78-CRIME.

A memorial fund has been set up by Desmond's cousin, Loir Desmond to assist with funeral and burial expenses. Send contributions to Cori Daye Desmond Memorial Fund, c/o Cal National Bank, 29000 S. Western Ave., Rancho Palos Verdes, CA, 90275. If sending a check or money order, include account number 5589633720.

-Arrissia Owen Turner

http://www.bigbeargrizzly.net/articles/2009/10/09/news/breaking_news/doc4acfbd71d5146118502625.txt


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 19, 2009, 12:53:09 AM
The reason there is silence is because we are looking for a live Amber. Because this is a public forum and anybody can read here. Those that have her may read here and try to counter any moves intended to find her..  IF we had a private area of this forum where cases like this could be researched and recorded, then we could talk about almost anything..
There is reason to believe she is alive. Professionals have suggested such.
 That is the reason for silence from the family in the Scared Monkeys Forum.

 But I am not blind to the fact that this situation has characteristics of a very bad situation.
The amount of attacks on young girls by males is astronomical and the high population of Hispanic males involved in these cases is frightning.
If that is true then time is the enemy. I know Amber's mom has been out looking from both directions and she is not blind or afraid to find the answer one way or another. She is one very energy filled woman who wants answers.
 Ambers friends are quiet..
 But really how long did Amber live in this area ? Not Long. These are not lifetime friends just aquaintences.

And Sebastian any boy who was supposedly her friend and for him to say to Ambersmom that she should just get over it and move on.. Well there are only 2 reasons I can think of for a statement like that..

1. The poor boy was born without Balls... We should all pray for him..Poor Thing..

2. The boy is afraid of getting his present balls cut off by some person..
Maybe Like his dad who drives a red truck !! Or he has a friend who has a dad who drives a red truck and that friend threatened to cut off his whatevers...

Anyways Ambersmom has many professional people helping her and one in particular is a police officer which I seem to trust even though I do not know her..
The other professionals I could wipe my back end with as I have never seen Mark save one person yet.. But he does help out with financial matters which do cost money and Amber's mom has done wonderful things in producing literature and sending it to every police department in the nation. This mom has crossed the borders and chatted with a very corrupted Machismo police force in Mexico. She has done a lot and people who are not in her situation need to know that this family all stay up 24 hours a day looking for there loved child Amber LeeAnn Dubois and I do not know How they do that..
God Bless Amber's family God help them find her.

Thank you for an honest clear explanation.   Doesn't this mean that we should just stop posting anything?  If that's what will help, that's what I will do.      Hope they are getting close to finding her.

Chi-M


Never give up and Never give in..,
  But you can understand that this family is looking for a live Amber and that is why I think we do not see them posting much. But I do know that Carrie reads here and she talks with Sabastian every day.
So any good ideas you have will be relayed to the family.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 19, 2009, 12:58:44 AM
Yikes Edward! Lots of bodies being found in San Bernardino

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-12262240.html this was a 35 year old woman, Josephine Alonzo Garibay found deceased 11-13-06 on a hill

San Bernadino county is known as a dumping grounds for dead bodies. This was told to me by a detective from San Bernadino county. The desert is one very big place and over the last 5 years I have seen atleast a dozen bodies found maybe more.
I have a friend who is still looking for her daughter April Beth Pitzer who went missing from the Bartow area. She kows her daughter was put into a mine shaft but which one ? Professionals have been in a dozen or more and still have not found her yet but they have found Others.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 19, 2009, 01:05:00 AM
With Cori's murderer being found and arrested it brings me back to the red truck with odd behavior and an owner with a lame excuse for not coming forward.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 19, 2009, 01:11:46 AM
With Cori's murderer being found and arrested it brings me back to the red truck with odd behavior and an owner with a lame excuse for not coming forward.


Hi Edward!
I wish you could come down here one week-end and go by some of the "hot spots" with us!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 19, 2009, 02:08:56 AM
Ok I am back...Kids are sleeping, husband is watching Jay Leno, everyone is happy.

Edward I do not believe LE would not inspect the truck thoroughly. That is very disappointing to say the least. You say this person is well known which leads me to believe it is someone who could use clout maybe to by pass any suspicion from the police? Shameful, they should have done a complete scan of that truck.

The cell phone throws me but then I think, it is probably an easy answer and if I don't over think it, I could figure it out.
What I was thinking tonight is, maybe someone had called Amber and her phone rang, the perp heard the phone ringing and obviously didn't want Amber to answer but when a message was left, he wished to listen to the message. He asked her for the password so he could listen to it but the password had been changed leading him to believe maybe Amber was lying or LE did that intentionally so the phone was powered off and disposed of. Who knows though but it does give me reason to believe at that point Amber was alive. I really have no idea if Amber is alive or not, I hope to god she is.

Snipped from edwards posting...
It is like that !
It could be that simple.

I guarantee you What ever happened was Just Simple, there was no big plan. It just happened.

That is how they got away with it so far..


I agree to a certain point. I think whoever took her had the plan to abduct someone that morning but maybe not Amber specifically.  That truck, the way it was acting...My theory was Amber cut through the bus lot to get to the farm quicker and if you look to the left of the drive way you can see another parking lot right off the main drive and turn in. Amber walking along the fence line would give the man/men in the truck a perfect view of her. She turns right and starts walking into lot, the red truck pulls up, grabs her but has to park to get her under control then drives off with Amber. But let me guess, he dropped his cigarette and had to find it or his cell phone dropped and he had to pull in and park to find it then realizing he was late, he sped off. It is probably some stupid excuse like that but LE knows of this person and he could NEVER do something like that or we can NEVER allow this to get out, so they dismiss him. They should have done a complete testing of the inside of that truck.

Edward I don't know if you ever heard this story, it was years and years ago, I was a teenager at the time. 2 young girls had been tricked by some men who said they were going to make some kind of movie. They met these men as planned at a 7 11 in Anaheim. The men picked them up in a van mind you, drove them out to the desert area of SB county and made a snuff movie, killing the 2 girls. The mutilated bodies were found I think within a few weeks and the men finally were found and arrested within a year or so. SB desert is a well known place. Also I think that is where Anthony Martinez was found when he was taken from his home, do you recall that case? Poor little boy, I had just brought my son home from the hospital when that story broke, scared me to death. I think it is a dumping ground because you can pull off hwy 15 and within 10 minutes be in the middle of nowhere.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 19, 2009, 02:49:29 AM
Ok I am back...Kids are sleeping, husband is watching Jay Leno, everyone is happy.

Edward I do not believe LE would not inspect the truck thoroughly. That is very disappointing to say the least. You say this person is well known which leads me to believe it is someone who could use clout maybe to by pass any suspicion from the police? Shameful, they should have done a complete scan of that truck.

The cell phone throws me but then I think, it is probably an easy answer and if I don't over think it, I could figure it out.
What I was thinking tonight is, maybe someone had called Amber and her phone rang, the perp heard the phone ringing and obviously didn't want Amber to answer but when a message was left, he wished to listen to the message. He asked her for the password so he could listen to it but the password had been changed leading him to believe maybe Amber was lying or LE did that intentionally so the phone was powered off and disposed of. Who knows though but it does give me reason to believe at that point Amber was alive. I really have no idea if Amber is alive or not, I hope to god she is.

Snipped from edwards posting...
It is like that !
It could be that simple.

I guarantee you What ever happened was Just Simple, there was no big plan. It just happened.

That is how they got away with it so far..


I agree to a certain point. I think whoever took her had the plan to abduct someone that morning but maybe not Amber specifically.  That truck, the way it was acting...My theory was Amber cut through the bus lot to get to the farm quicker and if you look to the left of the drive way you can see another parking lot right off the main drive and turn in. Amber walking along the fence line would give the man/men in the truck a perfect view of her. She turns right and starts walking into lot, the red truck pulls up, grabs her but has to park to get her under control then drives off with Amber. But let me guess, he dropped his cigarette and had to find it or his cell phone dropped and he had to pull in and park to find it then realizing he was late, he sped off. It is probably some stupid excuse like that but LE knows of this person and he could NEVER do something like that or we can NEVER allow this to get out, so they dismiss him. They should have done a complete testing of the inside of that truck.

Edward I don't know if you ever heard this story, it was years and years ago, I was a teenager at the time. 2 young girls had been tricked by some men who said they were going to make some kind of movie. They met these men as planned at a 7 11 in Anaheim. The men picked them up in a van mind you, drove them out to the desert area of SB county and made a snuff movie, killing the 2 girls. The mutilated bodies were found I think within a few weeks and the men finally were found and arrested within a year or so. SB desert is a well known place. Also I think that is where Anthony Martinez was found when he was taken from his home, do you recall that case? Poor little boy, I had just brought my son home from the hospital when that story broke, scared me to death. I think it is a dumping ground because you can pull off hwy 15 and within 10 minutes be in the middle of nowhere.

Hi Tracygirl,
It is quiet finally on my home front as well, woo hoo! You have some great thoughts! If Amber was killed early on, why after all of these months, why has her body not been found. I know that there are lots of places to hide a body. I also do not think that the perp is the usual perp. To my knowledge, he has not inserted himself into the case. He has not sent any letters to the media. He has not placed a body where it could be found. I don't know, I just think she is alive and still with us SOMEWHERE! The other thing is, if the perp took her why hasn't he taken anyone else after 9 months? The thing that drives me crazy is that it is so hard to make any sort of comparisons with missing teens. It seems that LE is all to eager to classify the majority of them as "endangered runaways". Then you have the large hispanic population. I truly feel for these families as they may not have the tools to get their loved ones the media attention that they deserve. Most of the time when you read about a missing hispanic girl, there is little information at all, except their age, description and the date that they went missing. You do not see many that give you any sort of details such as "she was last seen in front of her school" or "she was last seen at her bus stop". It is so frustrating!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 19, 2009, 03:14:28 AM
Sebastian,

You ask if she has been killed why hasn't her body been found? Well it could be buried or in a place that is remote or it could be placed somewhere for safe keeping. Denise Hubert, the girl I spoke of a few days ago, her killer left the state with her body in a freezer, for 2 years it sat in that freezer, in the stolen rental truck. The man who killed her simply left the area very quietly and lived a very quiet life alone in a house. That is until the neighbors noticed the truck on the side of the house was a rental truck and their was a long extention cord running from the garage to the truck. They called the rental company to ask about the truck and found out it was stolen the next call was to LE.

Not all kidnappers and murders insert themselves, most don't want to get caught, especially a SO due to how they are treated in jail. However, you never know if the person has called in a false tip in an attempt to throw off police. Now a days all you have to do is  do a google search to find out what is going on. There have been killers out there, serial killers mostly that insert themselves or send taunting letters, that doesn't always happen. So the reasons you state do not lead me to believe without a doubt Amber is alive (although I hope she is). I think at this point in order to find amber either living or not, you have to find out who took her.

Well it is my turn for bed. Goodnite, see you tomorrow.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 19, 2009, 03:36:40 AM
Sebastian,

You ask if she has been killed why hasn't her body been found? Well it could be buried or in a place that is remote or it could be placed somewhere for safe keeping. Denise Hubert, the girl I spoke of a few days ago, her killer left the state with her body in a freezer, for 2 years it sat in that freezer, in the stolen rental truck. The man who killed her simply left the area very quietly and lived a very quiet life alone in a house. That is until the neighbors noticed the truck on the side of the house was a rental truck and their was a long extention cord running from the garage to the truck. They called the rental company to ask about the truck and found out it was stolen the next call was to LE.

Not all kidnappers and murders insert themselves, most don't want to get caught, especially a SO due to how they are treated in jail. However, you never know if the person has called in a false tip in an attempt to throw off police. Now a days all you have to do is  do a google search to find out what is going on. There have been killers out there, serial killers mostly that insert themselves or send taunting letters, that doesn't always happen. So the reasons you state do not lead me to believe without a doubt Amber is alive (although I hope she is). I think at this point in order to find amber either living or not, you have to find out who took her.

Well it is my turn for bed. Goodnite, see you tomorrow.

Hi Tracygirl,
You make a lot of sense. Here is were the confusion comes in for me. From what I have read, most SO's are not murderers. They truly "love" the child and think that the child wants the attention that the SO gives them. So, if Amber was taken by a SO it is very likely that she is still alive. If Amber was taken by a murderer, then that is a very different story. I guess I wish I better understood the make-up of the murdering SO. If Amber was taken by a SO, one would have to check all of the other SO's within a huge mile radius to see which one may have kidnapped before or was showing a pattern of exceleration. If Amber was taken by a murderer, luckily there have not been any other murders in the area that I am aware of and that just strikes me as odd. I know that there are exceptions to every rule. The BTK killer is one. He killed quite a bit at one time and then stopped for years and years. His crimes were sexually motivated but not in the normal SO way. I guess maybe I have watched too many television shows which depict these animals as predictable beings that will continue killing or kidnapping once they have gotten away with it the first time. I guess since I have no clue what so ever as to who could have taken Amber, I am trying to get into the mind of the person. Here is what I do know: 1.To my knowlege, they have not inserted themselves into the case. 2. They must be organized to a certain degree as they have left not one trace of evidence thus far. (This brings about another assumption. Isn't the organized killer one who usually has done this in the past and has gotten better at it?) Having said this, they may just have a high intelligence level in the respect that if it is the first kidnapping, they got it right the first time? 3. I think it would be fairly simple to assume that this person was old enough to drive. I doubt he could have drug Amber down the street kicking and screaming. 4.I truly feel that this person has either been watching Amber or knew Amber. Again, Amber looks more like a boy from a distance with the dark hoodie, black jeans, short hair, etc. It was rainy that morning and my guess would be that Amber would have had the hoodie over her hair to keep it dry. Yet another reason why Amber would look like a boy. I just do not feel that it was random. Amber took the same route every morning and every afternoon. This would give someone plenty of time to watch her. 5. If 4 is true, than the perp would more than likely be a local. I tend to think it is a local anyways. There are so many schools all over San Diego county and it just makes sense that someone would stick closer to home, especially if they were stalking someone to take.

I have to hit the hay myself. Goodnight monkeys and thanks again for all of your input! Let's keep Ambers thread alive!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 19, 2009, 04:04:21 PM
I will be back on tonight or tomorrow and address you post Sebastian.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 19, 2009, 05:28:46 PM
Sex offender list in Escondido..
I do not know how accurate it is..

ANAYA,PHILIMON
1268 N BROADWAY # A ,Escondido,CA 92026

ARENA,JOSEPH
344 W 6TH AVE ,Escondido,CA 92025

AVERY,RICHARD LAWRENCE
1729 SUMMIT DR ,Escondido,CA 92027

BENITEZ,JUAN MILAN
1422 N ASH ST ,Escondido,CA 92027

BERRY,NED ANDREW
2035 S ESCONDIDO BLVD # 103 ,Escondido,CA 92025

BROWN,RONALD CORNWELL
3252 BEVEN DR ,Escondido,CA 92027

BROWN,STEVEN MARK
2040 MARK AVE ,Escondido,CA 92027

BURGESS,MICHAEL LITZSINGER
2733 CAMERON PL ,Escondido,CA 92027

BUSSE,JASON PAUL
1670 E EL NORTE # 15 ,Escondido,CA 92027

BUTLER,JOHN PATRICK
900 HOWARD AVE # 30 ,Escondido,CA 92029

CALLAN,MARK STEVEN
1320 TAFT ST ,Escondido,CA 92026

CANNON,JAMES REUBEN
1184 N ESCONDIDO BLVD # A ,Escondido,CA 92026

CARDIEL,JOSE LUIS
1213 REMBRANT GLEN ,Escondido,CA 92026

CARO,JOHN
1750 W CITRACADO PKWY # 104 ,Escondido,CA 92029

CHRISTMAN,ROBERT B
596 MONTVIEW DR ,Escondido,CA 92025

CHU,KEN
456 SWANSEA GL ,Escondido,CA 92027

CRISOSTOMO,MICHAEL A
1748 ACORN ST ,Escondido,CA 92027

CRUZ,RUBIN
322 VISTA AVE ,Escondido,CA 92026

CUSTER,CALVIN C
965 W LINCOLN AVE # 12A ,Escondido,CA 92026

DAILEY,CHARLES STANTON
2650 S ESCONDIDO BLVD # 210 ,Escondido,CA 92025

DAVIES,BRAD FRANKLIN
24840 LAKE WOHLFORD CT ,Escondido,CA 92027

DOLL,COLEMAN BERNARD
1051 W EL NORTE PKWY # 153 ,Escondido,CA 92026

ELKINS,BERNARD FISHER
9 LARRY LANE ,Escondido,CA 92025

ERICKSON,DOUGLASS SCOTT
3055 PECAN PL # 5 ,Escondido,CA 92027

FENDER,STEVEN A
849 MILLS ST ,Escondido,CA 92027

FERDMAN,ERIK MICAH
453 CORNWALL GLEN ,Escondido,CA 92027

FERNANDEZ,ANTIONIO
1454 E WASHINGTON ,Escondido,CA 92027

FORCIER,JAMES DAVID
2426 HARMONY GROVE RD ,Escondido,CA 92029

FRAZEE,WILLIAM CLARENCE
30012 HWY 395 SP-117 ,Escondido,CA 92026

GARCIA,RUDY
1822 LORETO GLEN ,Escondido,CA 92027

GARDNER,JOHN ALBERT
1050 ROCK SPRINGS RD # 113 ,Escondido,CA 92026

GASPER,DARRIN MICHAEL
550 W WASHINGTON AVE # B ,Escondido,CA 92025

GONZALEZ,GUSTAVO GONZALEZ
20702 ELFIN FOREST ROAD ,Escondido,CA 92029

GONZALEZ,WILLIAM MORENO
837 E LINCOLN AVENUE ,Escondido,CA 92026

GRANET,ANTHONY JOHNIII
2460 BEAR VALLEY PKWY # 130 ,Escondido,CA 92027

GRISSOM,DANNY LEON
1140 HARDING ST ,Escondido,CA 92027

HAYDEN,LOREN
1345 MORNING VIEW DR # 146 ,Escondido,CA 92026

HOBBS,TROY L
550 W WASHINGTON AVE # B ,Escondido,CA 92025

HOLM,FRANCIS ERIC
1555 HIGHGROVE DRIVE ,Escondido,CA 92027

HORTON,SIDNEY LYNN
119 W 5TH AVE # 3 ,Escondido,CA 92025

INMAN,STEVEN CARL
904 E 3RD AVE ,Escondido,CA 92025

JACQUEMART,JOHN PIPER
301 W VERMONT # 116 ,Escondido,CA 92025

JACQUES,LIONEL PHILLIP
1030 E WASHINGTON AVE # 115 ,Escondido,CA 92025

JEORGESON,RICHARD ALAN
1059 E VALLEY PKWY # C ,Escondido,CA 92025

JOHNSON,JAMES RICHARD
25464 LAKE WOHLFORD RD # LW300 ,Escondido,CA 92027

JONES,RICHARD WARREN
1934 KENORA DR ,Escondido,CA 92027

JUAREZ,RICARDO
525 W EL NORTE PKWY # 269 ,Escondido,CA 92026

KEYES,GRAHAM L
613 W 10TH AVE ,Escondido,CA 92025

KITTLE,ARNOLD EARL
530 N MIDWAY DR # 26 ,Escondido,CA 92027

LEECH,TIMOTHY WILBUR
27038 N. BROADWAY ,Escondido,CA 92026

LEGG,MICHAEL ALAN
1335 BROADWAY PL ,Escondido,CA 92025

LONG,ROY HENDRIX
360 S HICKORY # 5 ,Escondido,CA 92025

LOPEZ,JOSE AMBROSIO
211 N CITRUS # 26 ,Escondido,CA 92027

LOPEZ,MANUEL A
1228 HOOVER ST ,Escondido,CA 92027

MAHONEY,MICHAEL MELVIN
2094 E. GRAND AVE # 40 ,Escondido,CA 92027

MATCHETT,MATTHEW WILLIAM
1468 LA HONDA ,Escondido,CA 92027

MCGHEE,DANIEL RIDGE
145 W FELICITA AVE #3 ,Escondido,CA 92025

MELANSON,BOBBY RAY
636 FOY LANE ,Escondido,CA 92025

MIDDLETON,ROBERT JAMES
1070 E WASHINGTON AVE # 29 ,Escondido,CA 92025

MILLER,JADIR ALEXNADER
722 PARK PL ,Escondido,CA 92025

MINER,CLEMENT EUGENE
1643 E GRAND AVE # D ,Escondido,CA 92027

MOELLMAN,DANIEL MICHAEL
1375 N BROADWAY # A5 ,Escondido,CA 92026

MONTOYA,VALENTINE
1260 N ROSE ST ,Escondido,CA 92027

MORRIS,JOHN K
1001 S HALE # 102 ,Escondido,CA 92029

MUNOZ,GILLBERTO HERNANDEZ
1596 S ESCONDIDO BLVD # 8 ,Escondido,CA 92025

NEEDHAM,MATTHEW WALLACE
2550 E VALLEY PKWY # 45 ,Escondido,CA 92027

OLIVAS,TRACEY
965 W LINCOLN AVE # 22 ,Escondido,CA 92026

ORTEGA,JOHN
1070 E WASHINGTON # 1 ,Escondido,CA 92025

PAGE,KARL ROMANUS
1281 AVOCADO AVE ,Escondido,CA 92026

PALMORE,JAMES
357 LANSING CIRCLE # D ,Escondido,CA 92025

PARKER,RODNEY A
834 GOLDENROD ,Escondido,CA 92027

PATTERSON,GLEN ALAN
1600 W 9TH AVE # 6B ,Escondido,CA 92029

POTTER,SCOTT WAYNE
123 FARLAND PL ,Escondido,CA 92027

PRINCE,ROLAND MARK
326 E FELICITA AVE # 12 ,Escondido,CA 92025

QUINN,RICHARD TAYLOR
704 S MAPLE ST ,Escondido,CA 92025

RAMIREZ,DAVID PAUL
23649 OLD WAGON RD ,Escondido,CA 92027

RANGEL,FERNANDO
713 N CITRUS AVE ,Escondido,CA 92027

ROACH,JOHN JOSEPH
755 CHESTNUT ST ,Escondido,CA 92025

RODIRIGUEZ,RUBEN
1343 MORNING VIEW DR # 308 ,Escondido,CA 92026

RODRIGUEZ,JOHN GALINDO
421 E MISSION # 408 ,Escondido,CA 92025

SHOVER,ROBERT PAUL
550 W WASHINGTON AVE # B ,Escondido,CA 92025

SNOW,DAVID K
730 MONTVIEW DR ,Escondido,CA 92025

SOMERA,JAMIE TODD
935 E WASHINGTON AVE 3 ,Escondido,CA 92025

STANLEY,WILLIAM
8310 NELSON WAY MAINT #2 ,Escondido,CA 92026

STAPLES,RHONDA SUE
530 N MIDWAY DR # 27 ,Escondido,CA 92027

STEINER,HARLAN RUSSELL
506 SMOKETREE GLEN ,Escondido,CA 92026

STUBER,JOSEPH ANDREW
2149 MOUNTAIN VIEW DR ,Escondido,CA 92027

SUSSMANN,ANDREW ROBERT
432 TERRACE AVE ,Escondido,CA 92026

THOMPSON,DAVID LEE
201 SAN PASQUAL VALLEY RD # 201 ,Escondido,CA 92025

TODD,WILLIAM
1600 W 9TH AVE # A11 ,Escondido,CA 92029

TRACY,MERRILL OLIVER
30012 OLD HWY 395 # 82 ,Escondido,CA 92026

VAQUERA,GILBERT EDWARD
1892 LORETO GLEN ,Escondido,CA 92027

VILLALOBOS,EDGAR ULISES
965 W LINCOLN AVE # 30-E ,Escondido,CA 92026

XAYACHAK,KHAMPHONETHY
427 W 4TH AVE # K ,Escondido,CA 92025

YOUNGHUSBAND,RICHARD IRVING
421 E MISSION AVE # 305B ,Escondido,CA 92025

http://www.zirana.com/escondido/registered_sex_offenders_map.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 20, 2009, 12:00:48 AM
Hi Edward,
The long list is horrible, isn't it! We have even narrowed it down to the ones that are a bit worse than others and it is still staggering. If you look at all of the ones that live over by the high school it could light up like a Christmas tree on a map. So, what do we do? Many of them have "keep out" signs and dogs. Many live on properties that look like that horrid couples that took Jaycee Duggard. Then there are all of those that live out in the boonies. Several on the Indian Reservations. They live on properties that could house 50 missing children in out buildings and such. Which ones do we focus in on?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 20, 2009, 02:54:31 AM
Hello Sebastian,
It is late right now and I have been out all day, hopefully this will make sense. From what I have learned about SO's there are many types including the type you spoke of who believe the victim wants it or has feelings back towards the person. To some it is a preference to look to children as sexual beings, to others it is the forbidden fruit or the victim can be a substitue for their own anger. I have read the last is the most dangerous of all and it can progress to killing and torturing the victim. A SO will also kill because they wish to cover up the crime because they do not want to get caught. It is said some find killing the victim to add to the sexual pleasure. I have read quotes from some who stated they wanted to know what it felt like. One man while killing a little boy is said to have waited to climax, sick. One of the most sickest of all to me are the people who have to watch a snuff type of film in order to climax. As they watch a person be mutilated and cut to pieces, they are able to be sexually aroused. Not sure anyone can say they loved the victim, kwim?   

One thing you said I agree with completely. I think it is more then logical to consider the person who took Amber had seen her before and possibly stalked her. That could be anyone from a teacher to the mail man to a family friend to a person that lives or works in the neighborhood there or in OC, lol. Nothing like narrowing it down a bit. I think you can narrow down the list by the age of the victim and if they have a preference for boys over girls.

I have to go to sleep, I am so tired. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 20, 2009, 01:26:19 PM
Hi Tracygirl!
Thank you so much for your post! How can you tell what a SO preference is? So very little is told at the SO sites.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 20, 2009, 02:57:33 PM
Sebastian, court records, newspaper articles, arrest warrents can give you the information. Sometimes they are a bit difficult to find I know, but the information is there. Also, on the websites such as Familywatchdog.us they give the age of the child they victimized. That will give you an idea. I think it would be safe to say the person who took Amber had a preference for teenaged girls since he/she was around a high school.

I get the feeling you all are feeling maybe this is similar to an Elizabeth Smart or a Jaycee Dugard kidnapping? One where the young girl is taken as a "wife" for the male? she is kept alive as a sexual servant for him? If so, are you looking to area's of the city that are more prone for mentally ill hang out? One such place are camping area's, have they been investigated? Many times people will live in these area's as they are safer then living on the streets. Wasn't Elizabeth Smart taken to one such area? I think they lived in a tent or something like that. What about the homeless camps, do they have them there in your area? I don't suggest Carrie go by herself, but if these area's of the city have not been checked out, then maybe considering that would be a good idea. I have no idea how a homeless person could take Amber but stranger things have happened. I suppose they would just need a car.

I know some of these things I am posting you and who ever else are probably thinking "yea easier said then done, how on earth can that be accomplished?" I think maybe considering a PI would be a good choice. They already know how to do this stuff or find out certain things and if not then look for another PI, lol.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 20, 2009, 03:09:06 PM
Hi Edward,
The long list is horrible, isn't it! We have even narrowed it down to the ones that are a bit worse than others and it is still staggering. If you look at all of the ones that live over by the high school it could light up like a Christmas tree on a map. So, what do we do? Many of them have "keep out" signs and dogs. Many live on properties that look like that horrid couples that took Jaycee Duggard. Then there are all of those that live out in the boonies. Several on the Indian Reservations. They live on properties that could house 50 missing children in out buildings and such. Which ones do we focus in on?

I think this is where the phrase, "looking for a needle in a haystack" came from...
If they have neighbors, talk to them. Post pics of amber around each and every house, not on the property but just off site. I have not been to a reservation, do they have gates or something leading into the area? Hand out flyers or put up a buildboard just outside? The whole indian reservation thing upsets me. This is said all of the time in cases in California. If it is true, a person living on a reservation can just take someone and keep them there against their will then what on earth are the law makers doing about this?
Do you recall the woman in Ohio I think who took off with her young daughter and her SO boyfriend? Were they found on a reservation in CA? Am I remembering that right?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: AmbersMom on December 20, 2009, 04:23:06 PM
Hey Traci girl,

Want to get in touch with you can you email me at bringamberhome.com

Carrie


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: AmbersMom on December 20, 2009, 04:28:14 PM
Did Amber attend Hidden Valley Middle School prior to moving to EHS in Fall of 2008?

I'm am trying to answer all the questions one by one..

No Amber weNt to Rincon Middle School


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: AmbersMom on December 20, 2009, 04:41:38 PM
Here is a question I have, can and does FBI find out who calls to a cell phone when their number is blocked? Wouldn't that be a violation of privacy? Or in the case of a person missing that over rides privicy concerns and they are given that information?

I'm not sure about this but I will ask. Thanks

I was wondering about the train ride from Escondido CA to Orange County. Could Amber have met someone on the train? 

Amtrak has minors sit in an area seperate from other passengers, so I was told. I wanted to see if this was true so I took the train and it was not the case. There was 1 conductor Amber adored and I thought LE interviewed her. I think I was wrong to assume this had happened.  I am trying to get a hold of the conductor but her manager has been on vacation.
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Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 20, 2009, 04:54:41 PM
From my understanding the F.B.I. can cross all lines durring an investigation especially when a child is involved.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 20, 2009, 05:36:33 PM
Hey Traci girl,

Want to get in touch with you can you email me at bringamberhome.com

Carrie

I just sent an email over to you.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 20, 2009, 05:55:14 PM
Again I watched the video that Ambers mom put up on the website. I have to say, Amber is a beautiful girl, I don't think she looks like a boy at all. She has a very specific look, with the red hair and freckles, her eyes are stunning. That look is popular in the porn world.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on December 21, 2009, 07:29:10 PM
Again I watched the video that Ambers mom put up on the website. I have to say, Amber is a beautiful girl, I don't think she looks like a boy at all. She has a very specific look, with the red hair and freckles, her eyes are stunning. That look is popular in the porn world.


I agree Tracygirl.  Her earlier pics show her at that awkward stage.  The later pics show her becoming a beautiful young lady. 

Prayers for Amber  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 22, 2009, 02:07:13 AM
Hi,
Amber is a gorgeous girl. It would just be my observation that if she was walking down a street wearing black pants, black sweat jacket (possibly with the hood on) it would be easy to mistake her as well as many other girls dressed that way for a boy. Again, I think the person who snatched her either knew her or had been watching her long enough to have seen her more up close. I cannot tell you how many times my youngest daughter sees someone walking and asks me "is that a girl or a boy". It is not like it used to be years ago. Girls in dresses and boys in pants. I cannot get past this in my head for it to make sense to me that it was random. I guess the other thing for me is the pattern. Amber took a specific route to and from school every day thus giving someone the opportunity to watch her. I need to ask Carrie if Amber wore headphones when walking to school, like an ipod or something. Perhaps someone came up from behind and she did not hear them due to headphones?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Nut44x4 on December 22, 2009, 04:55:30 PM
Yesterday I was looking at the missing kids in California website, a child walked into my store and she looked similar to a child on that site. I actually called it in, but I don't think it is her, she was too little. 

So anyhow, I noticed Amber's pics and right above her there was a boy who has been missing since 2/09/09. I noticed he is from Northern California and it would make sense that it could take him a good 4 days to travel to so cal, so I clicked to get a description and sure enough he is tall and thin, 6'2" and 150 lbs. His name is Saxon (Kelly) Dir. The boy that was seen walking with Amber was said to be tall and thin, so you just never know, Here is a link to the poster...
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=1115852&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

I know no one wants to consider Amber running away and frankly I don't think she did but it could lead you to a live amber so I am posting it.

A report came out on this young man on Dec. 18th. Lovinlife said he had been mentioned here, in Amber's thread. Anywho...I posted him in our missing thread on Dec. 21......

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6759.0


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 22, 2009, 05:44:08 PM
Hi,
Amber is a gorgeous girl. It would just be my observation that if she was walking down a street wearing black pants, black sweat jacket (possibly with the hood on) it would be easy to mistake her as well as many other girls dressed that way for a boy. Again, I think the person who snatched her either knew her or had been watching her long enough to have seen her more up close. I cannot tell you how many times my youngest daughter sees someone walking and asks me "is that a girl or a boy". It is not like it used to be years ago. Girls in dresses and boys in pants. I cannot get past this in my head for it to make sense to me that it was random. I guess the other thing for me is the pattern. Amber took a specific route to and from school every day thus giving someone the opportunity to watch her. I need to ask Carrie if Amber wore headphones when walking to school, like an ipod or something. Perhaps someone came up from behind and she did not hear them due to headphones?

I spoke to Carrie the other night, she is a nice woman and you can tell she wants nothing more then to find Amber. She has a ton of energy, she will be successful I can just tell. 
Someone posted regarding some crimes that happened in that area, I think it was a string of robberies? Am I connecting that to the right case? I have been trying to find it but cannot. If someone comes across it please bump it for me? Thanks!

I spoke to Edward too, he is a real live person if anyone cares to know, lol. It was nice speaking with you Edward, your dedication to these cases is very apparent.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on December 24, 2009, 04:42:13 PM
Carrie & Amber's family,

I've tried so hard today to think of the right words to put down here for you, however I not so eloquent when it comes to things such as this.  I just want you all to know that I'm thinking of you and praying for Amber and you all durring this holiday season.  May God give you strenth to carry on and find Amber. 

Lovinlife


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 25, 2009, 04:09:22 AM
Hi Lovinlife!
It is such a hard thing to express. If everyone could say a special prayer for Amber and her mom right now. Carrie is having a really hard time during the holiday season. Merry Christmas Amber! We all hope that you are home soon!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on December 25, 2009, 10:33:24 AM
Here's to sweet Amber and her safe return.

Chi-M


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 25, 2009, 06:06:40 PM
Carrie, my heart and prayers are with you today.

Amber,  Prayers for you and a special Christmas wish that you will be found soon.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 27, 2009, 02:11:11 PM
2nd human skull found in forest
LOS ANGELES - Investigators in Southern California have found a second human skull in a national forest close to where hikers discovered the first on Christmas Eve.

Los Angeles County Sheriff's spokesman Steve Whitmore said yesterday it's unclear if there's any connection between the two skulls.

Whitmore said the second skull showed signs of some form of trauma. He gave no further details.

http://www.hometownannapolis.com/news/top/2009/12/27-48/National-Digest.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 27, 2009, 02:13:06 PM
Human remains find called 'suspicious'

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2009/12/25/Human-remains-find-called-suspicious/UPI-29131261786318/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 27, 2009, 02:14:45 PM
LOS ANGELES (AP) — Investigators in Southern California have found a second human skull in a national forest close to where hikers discovered the first on Christmas Eve.

Los Angeles County Sheriff's spokesman Steve Whitmore said Saturday it's unclear if there's any connection between the two skulls.

Detectives and coroner's investigators came across the second skull in Angeles National Forest Saturday morning in a search of the area where on Thursday hikers found a skull with a bullet hole in it.

Whitmore says the second skull showed signs of some form of trauma. He gave no further details.

Both skulls were found in a region of the forest that was ravaged by a massive wildfire in August.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-us-california-skulls-found,0,4707517.story


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 27, 2009, 02:17:39 PM
<snipped>

The initial discovery of human remains was made around 5:35 p.m. Thursday on the Angeles Forest Highway near mile marker 19.36, said Deputy Rick Pedroza of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.

``It was a skull, found by a hiker,'' said Los Angeles County Coroner's Investigator Jerry McKibben.

That location is near Lucas Creek, a steep drainage that feeds Big Tujunga Canyon above the Big Tujunga Dam, according to a duty officer at the Crescenta Valley Sheriff's station. It is along Highway N-3 about 20 miles north of the junction near Mount Wilson between Angeles Forest Highway and the Angeles Crest Highway (California Route 2).

The hillside where the skull was found is in or near a recently burned part of the forest, McKibben said.

http://www.scpr.org/news/2009/12/26/2nd-human-skull-found-angeles-national-forest/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 27, 2009, 02:20:47 PM
I pray that two families can find closure with the discovery of these remains.  There are so many missing in California it could be anyone, no gender or approx age known yet.  Does anyone want me to map where these two skulls were found?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: chi-monkey on December 27, 2009, 04:18:37 PM
I pray that two families can find closure with the discovery of these remains.  There are so many missing in California it could be anyone, no gender or approx age known yet.  Does anyone want me to map where these two skulls were found?

Yes, many of us geographically challenged monks would appreciate a map.  Thanks for the offer.

Chi-M


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 27, 2009, 04:39:36 PM
I pray that two families can find closure with the discovery of these remains.  There are so many missing in California it could be anyone, no gender or approx age known yet.  Does anyone want me to map where these two skulls were found?

Yes, many of us geographically challenged monks would appreciate a map.  Thanks for the offer.

Chi-M


Two main routes to get there.  One is 134 miles, other is 133 miles.  Travel time 2 hours 20 mins.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 27, 2009, 08:20:14 PM
I had posted this link in the April Pitzer thread.. I have been looking at highways and trying to decide which route and why there are multiples to the skulls found.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 27, 2009, 08:24:24 PM
I was really in hopes that Amber would have made contact with any family member during the holidays..
It really sets my mind back on track..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 28, 2009, 04:42:18 AM
Hi All,
I just wanted to share something with you. When I first saw the flyers for Amber and heard about her on the news, I thought I would be doing a good thing by attending a vigil and trying to offer some sort of comfort to her mother. After all of these months, it has actually been myself who has gained so much by this whole experience. Ambers mother can come off as a tough cookie, going a mile a minute, talking faster than you can keep up, showing a strong face to everyone. She stays busy busy busy. Here is the thing though. She rarely lets her guard down. She uses all of her strength to keep it together for Amber. This holiday season was horrible for her. She broke down in a department store and had a panic attack. She was horrified for strangers to see the tears streaming down her face. She went out of her way to give her other daughter a wonderful Christmas. I went with Carrie, Amber's mom to a church function. I told her that she needs to try to do everything that she can to give her other daughter a nice Christmas. She asked me if I was in her shoes would I make a stocking for Amber? I could not answer her. I thought if it was too gut wrenching for her than she probably should not do it. She had to do it she told me, or her younger daugher would think that Santa did not love Amber.  She told me it was going to be so hard making a stocking for her beloved Amber. She did what Carrie does, plodded on. What started off with myself thinking that I was doing something good for someone else, ended up with myself being the truly blessed one. Carrie is one of the strongest people that I have ever met. She has taught me so much. When you do not think that you have the strength to go on, you do. If you think you need to give up, you don't. She has endured 9 months of total hell and yet she is still strong and nothing will keep her from finding her daughter. She has attended classes on search and rescue, human trafficking, worked with search dogs. She has done search after search, vigil after vigil. She even went to McCleary to help Melissa B. Ambers mother has shown me true strength under the most extreme circumstances. I want Amber to come home so bad!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 28, 2009, 04:50:56 AM
I was really in hopes that Amber would have made contact with any family member during the holidays..
It really sets my mind back on track..

Hi Edward,
I really do not think that Amber left on her own anymore. I really thought she might have in the beginning but there are too many things that have taken me in another direction. The obvious bond between Amber and her mother. The friends that I have met and the other family members that I have met. You would not believe the support system that Carrie has. They all care so much for Amber and Carrie and have done so much to try to find Amber. I have dug and dug and have yet to find one thing that would lead me to believe that she left on her own. I truly wish that she did. That would mean that she is probably o.k. If anyone can find anything that leads them to believe that Amber left on her own, please post it. I would much rather hang on to that than the alternative, an abduction.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 28, 2009, 09:08:43 AM
Sebastian
Quote:
What started off with myself thinking that I was doing something good for someone else, ended up with myself being the truly blessed one.
end

God Bless You for being by Carrie"s side during this extreme difficult time.
I feel so bad for anyone who has a missing loved one but especially for those that have a missing child.
Your written words make my heart hurt for rhis family of great people.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 28, 2009, 01:28:03 PM
Second Human Skull Found In Angeles National Forest  (With video)

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-angeles-skull-found,0,6868973.story


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 28, 2009, 02:20:35 PM
In that video it shows cloth going into a bag..
So they do not have Only a Skull to go by.

They find bodies up there all the time according to the detective on the interview.
It will take quite awhile to identify if at all.





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 28, 2009, 03:01:13 PM
In that video it shows cloth going into a bag..
So they do not have Only a Skull to go by.

They find bodies up there all the time according to the detective on the interview.
It will take quite awhile to identify if at all.


I missed that when I first watched it.  Here are two screen captures.  In the second one it almost looks like whatever they are putting in the bag has a strap.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 28, 2009, 03:08:28 PM
Different one

Pet Dog Digs Up Human Skull
KTLA News

LANDERS, Calif. -- Authorities are searching for human remains after a dog unearthed a skull and brought it back to its owners backyard.

The dog's owners called Riverside County Sheriff's authorities Wednesday after their pet carried the human skull to their back yard, adding it to a pile of animal bones.

According to sheriff's spokeswoman Cindy Beavers, the dog's discovery prompted a 10 acre search of desert nearby on Thursday.

Coroner's officials say the skull may have been buried in the desert for up to 2 years.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-dog-finds-skull,0,6838920.story


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 28, 2009, 03:40:48 PM
You are getting pretty good with those video still shots Northern Rose..
Thank You


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 28, 2009, 03:54:49 PM
Different one

Pet Dog Digs Up Human Skull
KTLA News

LANDERS, Calif. -- Authorities are searching for human remains after a dog unearthed a skull and brought it back to its owners backyard.

The dog's owners called Riverside County Sheriff's authorities Wednesday after their pet carried the human skull to their back yard, adding it to a pile of animal bones.

According to sheriff's spokeswoman Cindy Beavers, the dog's discovery prompted a 10 acre search of desert nearby on Thursday.

Coroner's officials say the skull may have been buried in the desert for up to 2 years.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-dog-finds-skull,0,6838920.story

I can make 2 different routes from Escondido to this location.
I tried to draw it and print it but this computer wont allow me to do it.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 28, 2009, 03:58:23 PM
You are getting pretty good with those video still shots Northern Rose..
Thank You

I appreciate the compliment but wish I was not getting so good.  Too many cases lately. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 28, 2009, 04:01:44 PM
Different one

Pet Dog Digs Up Human Skull
KTLA News

LANDERS, Calif. -- Authorities are searching for human remains after a dog unearthed a skull and brought it back to its owners backyard.

The dog's owners called Riverside County Sheriff's authorities Wednesday after their pet carried the human skull to their back yard, adding it to a pile of animal bones.

According to sheriff's spokeswoman Cindy Beavers, the dog's discovery prompted a 10 acre search of desert nearby on Thursday.

Coroner's officials say the skull may have been buried in the desert for up to 2 years.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-dog-finds-skull,0,6838920.story

I can make 2 different routes from Escondido to this location.
I tried to draw it and print it but this computer wont allow me to do it.


Here is one route , 138 miles, travel time 2.5 hours.  What is your other route?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 28, 2009, 04:03:36 PM
Sorry Edward, I answered my own question.  122 miles, travel time 2 hours 48 mins.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 28, 2009, 04:07:09 PM
Great work Northern Rose.

Both directions are well withing range.

Nobody would be able to tell the age of a bone by looking at it..

He said 2 years..Could be 1 year in that enviorment.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 28, 2009, 04:11:03 PM
I can get to that location by going through San Bernadino and heading up the same road where the womans body was found a year ago.
 
Looking for a pattern of behavior.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 28, 2009, 04:13:22 PM
It is strange that 3 skulls have been found in such a sort time.  Wondering if a archaeological dog was taken out to that area how many other remains would be found.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 28, 2009, 04:15:09 PM
I wonder if that a picture of THE Skull that was found or just a picture of any skull they could come up with on that news site you posted as alink ?
The skull looks um... Too intact.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 28, 2009, 04:21:04 PM
I wonder if that a picture of THE Skull that was found or just a picture of any skull they could come up with on that news site you posted as alink ?
The skull looks um... Too intact.


I believe it is just "a skull" not  "the skull".


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 28, 2009, 06:05:07 PM
LE should be aware of this..
Dental records, for a quick possible or not.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 28, 2009, 10:20:59 PM
Sebastian
Quote:
What started off with myself thinking that I was doing something good for someone else, ended up with myself being the truly blessed one.
end

God Bless You for being by Carrie"s side during this extreme difficult time.
I feel so bad for anyone who has a missing loved one but especially for those that have a missing child.
Your written words make my heart hurt for rhis family of great people.

Hi Edward,
Carrie makes it easy to be by her side. I know that she talks to you as well and I am so glad that she has your support too. I wonder how long it will take to get the results back from the two skulls? Carrie was up in Big Bear recently putting up more signs for Amber. They are getting a lot of traffic from all over due to the skiing, maybe someone will call in a lead. Something needs to break!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 29, 2009, 01:01:36 AM
In that video it shows cloth going into a bag..
So they do not have Only a Skull to go by.

They find bodies up there all the time according to the detective on the interview.
It will take quite awhile to identify if at all.


I missed that when I first watched it.  Here are two screen captures.  In the second one it almost looks like whatever they are putting in the bag has a strap.



Its dark clothing of somesort. I suppose given it was in a fire, it could be burnt? I would think fabric would turn to ash but if it is covered with dirt I suppose you never know. Anyway, to me it looks like a small shirt or jacket or something.

I know this area, I think there is a shooting range around there somewhere. Or I think that is where I went once. Remember I am from So Cal.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 01:01:46 AM
Sebastian
Quote:
What started off with myself thinking that I was doing something good for someone else, ended up with myself being the truly blessed one.
end

God Bless You for being by Carrie"s side during this extreme difficult time.
I feel so bad for anyone who has a missing loved one but especially for those that have a missing child.
Your written words make my heart hurt for rhis family of great people.

Hi Edward,
Carrie makes it easy to be by her side. I know that she talks to you as well and I am so glad that she has your support too. I wonder how long it will take to get the results back from the two skulls? Carrie was up in Big Bear recently putting up more signs for Amber. They are getting a lot of traffic from all over due to the skiing, maybe someone will call in a lead. Something needs to break!

There are 3 skulls in two different areas now.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 01:04:25 AM
In that video it shows cloth going into a bag..
So they do not have Only a Skull to go by.

They find bodies up there all the time according to the detective on the interview.
It will take quite awhile to identify if at all.


I missed that when I first watched it.  Here are two screen captures.  In the second one it almost looks like whatever they are putting in the bag has a strap.



Its dark clothing of somesort. I suppose given it was in a fire, it could be burnt? I would think fabric would turn to ash but if it is covered with dirt I suppose you never know. Anyway, to me it looks like a small shirt or jacket or something.

I know this area, I think there is a shooting range around there somewhere. Or I think that is where I went once. Remember I am from So Cal.

Could the strap be a belt then?  like a fabric belt you find on a womans blazer for example?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 29, 2009, 01:05:40 AM
Where are the bodies? So far they have found skulls and no bodies, right?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 01:07:13 AM
Investigators try to solve mystery involving 2 skulls found in L.A. forest
December 28, 2009

Coroner's investigators and a forensic anthropologist today were trying to determine the identities behind two human skulls found last week in the Angeles National Forest.

One of the skulls, found by two hikers Thursday, had a bullet hole, according to authorities. The second human skull, found Saturday by detectives and forensic archaeologists, appeared to show signs of trauma.

Authorities said both skulls had apparently been in the forest before the Station fire, which began in late August.

"We’re trying to figure out who they are, what sex, what race," said Ed Winter of the L.A. County Coroner's Office. He said the office's in-house skeletal recovery team, a consultant for the office who is a forensic anthropologist, and other investigators were working to determine the identities of the two skulls.

"It appears that both of them are homicides, but we're not going to say right now," Winter said.

The human remains were found along Angeles Forest Highway near Lucas Creek.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/12/archaeologists-try-to-solve-murder-mystery-involving-human-skulls-found-in-angeles-national-forest.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 29, 2009, 01:08:18 AM
Sebastian
Quote:
What started off with myself thinking that I was doing something good for someone else, ended up with myself being the truly blessed one.
end

God Bless You for being by Carrie"s side during this extreme difficult time.
I feel so bad for anyone who has a missing loved one but especially for those that have a missing child.
Your written words make my heart hurt for rhis family of great people.

Hi Edward,
Carrie makes it easy to be by her side. I know that she talks to you as well and I am so glad that she has your support too. I wonder how long it will take to get the results back from the two skulls? Carrie was up in Big Bear recently putting up more signs for Amber. They are getting a lot of traffic from all over due to the skiing, maybe someone will call in a lead. Something needs to break!

There are 3 skulls in two different areas now.

Hi Northern Rose,
Oh geez, I did not know that there were 3 skulls! Do you know how long it takes to at least identify the sex? Were all 3 found near each other? Is there a missing family from that area? Did we ever find out what started that fire in the first place in August? Was it arson? I am going to have to go on a google hunt. Thank you so much for the maps and the information!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 01:08:19 AM
Where are the bodies? So far they have found skulls and no bodies, right?

They have not said a lot of anything.  The video shows them sifting for bones and the clothe recovered but the articles are saying little.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 29, 2009, 01:11:31 AM
In that video it shows cloth going into a bag..
So they do not have Only a Skull to go by.

They find bodies up there all the time according to the detective on the interview.
It will take quite awhile to identify if at all.


I missed that when I first watched it.  Here are two screen captures.  In the second one it almost looks like whatever they are putting in the bag has a strap.



Its dark clothing of somesort. I suppose given it was in a fire, it could be burnt? I would think fabric would turn to ash but if it is covered with dirt I suppose you never know. Anyway, to me it looks like a small shirt or jacket or something.

I know this area, I think there is a shooting range around there somewhere. Or I think that is where I went once. Remember I am from So Cal.

Could the strap be a belt then?  like a fabric belt you find on a womans blazer for example?

Well lets see, how could this fabric survive a forest fire? Could it have been buried deep enough? And if it was deep enough would the fabric stay intact or would it fray and separate? To me it looks like a hole or the fabric was deteriorating. Can you do a close up shot of that fabric? 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 29, 2009, 01:13:26 AM
Hi Northern Rose
Can you tell me from the map how far away from Big Bear the skulls were found? Also how far from San Bernardino? There is an old freak job that I read about that is still out and about that has not been caught doing anything for years that was once from that area.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 01:13:55 AM
Sebastian
Quote:
What started off with myself thinking that I was doing something good for someone else, ended up with myself being the truly blessed one.
end

God Bless You for being by Carrie"s side during this extreme difficult time.
I feel so bad for anyone who has a missing loved one but especially for those that have a missing child.
Your written words make my heart hurt for rhis family of great people.

Hi Edward,
Carrie makes it easy to be by her side. I know that she talks to you as well and I am so glad that she has your support too. I wonder how long it will take to get the results back from the two skulls? Carrie was up in Big Bear recently putting up more signs for Amber. They are getting a lot of traffic from all over due to the skiing, maybe someone will call in a lead. Something needs to break!

There are 3 skulls in two different areas now.

Hi Northern Rose,
Oh geez, I did not know that there were 3 skulls! Do you know how long it takes to at least identify the sex? Were all 3 found near each other? Is there a missing family from that area? Did we ever find out what started that fire in the first place in August? Was it arson? I am going to have to go on a google hunt. Thank you so much for the maps and the information!

No idea how long it would take to determine sex.  If other bones are found it would be easier to determine based on which bones they find and the condition of the bones.  One skull was found in Landers - a mans dog brought it to his back yard and officials are trying to get the dog to take them to where he got the skull.  The other two skulls were found in Angeles National Forest .  I don't know if the fire was arson. I would think a firestorm would be my first choice based on time of the year the fire went through there. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 01:14:46 AM
Hi Northern Rose
Can you tell me from the map how far away from Big Bear the skulls were found? Also how far from San Bernardino? There is an old freak job that I read about that is still out and about that has not been caught doing anything for years that was once from that area.

Sure.  Give me a few minutes and I will do a map for each location.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 01:18:15 AM
In that video it shows cloth going into a bag..
So they do not have Only a Skull to go by.

They find bodies up there all the time according to the detective on the interview.
It will take quite awhile to identify if at all.


I missed that when I first watched it.  Here are two screen captures.  In the second one it almost looks like whatever they are putting in the bag has a strap.



Its dark clothing of somesort. I suppose given it was in a fire, it could be burnt? I would think fabric would turn to ash but if it is covered with dirt I suppose you never know. Anyway, to me it looks like a small shirt or jacket or something.

I know this area, I think there is a shooting range around there somewhere. Or I think that is where I went once. Remember I am from So Cal.

Could the strap be a belt then?  like a fabric belt you find on a womans blazer for example?

Well lets see, how could this fabric survive a forest fire? Could it have been buried deep enough? And if it was deep enough would the fabric stay intact or would it fray and separate? To me it looks like a hole or the fabric was deteriorating. Can you do a close up shot of that fabric? 

Best I can do without it being really grainy


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 29, 2009, 01:20:19 AM
I am trying to pin point this location on Google maps and cannot find it. There is an area above Altadena, I think off Hill street that is filled with occult activity. I just can't recall if this area is close to Altadena. I think it is, just over to the left. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 01:23:10 AM
Landers skull

To Big Bear 57.7 miles 1 hour 38 min travel time



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 01:25:38 AM
Lander skull to San Bernardino

Northern route 83.2 miles 1 hour 44 mins

Southern route 99.2 miles 2 hours 15 mins



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 29, 2009, 01:30:37 AM
Thank you Northern Rose! I did some reading and it looks like the Angeles fire was arson. I am going to keep reading.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 01:32:14 AM
Angeles National Forest (2 skulls) Lucas Creek, that feeds Big Tujunga Canyon above the Big Tujunga Dam to San Bernardino

75 miles 1 hour 30 mins




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 01:34:17 AM
Angeles National Forest (2 skulls) Lucas Creek, that feeds Big Tujunga Canyon above the Big Tujunga Dam to Big Bear

110 miles 2 hours 22 mins


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 01:39:23 AM
KTLA just had the video on of the Lucas Creek skulls and I grabbed a sequence of screen shots.  It will be easier to blow them up.  It looks like whatever the clothe was, it is in shreds and what I thought was a strap is actually just one of the shredded pieces of fabric. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 29, 2009, 01:39:51 AM
In this article, it was stated that the Landers skull appears to be from a child 8-14 years old. http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=11659410


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 29, 2009, 01:41:25 AM
Angeles crest hwy connects to big tujuanga canyon one way and then in the other direction connects to the 138 or to the 15 or to the 215. I am not sure why someone would lets say god forbid take Amber to the Angeles national forest when there are plenty of open area's in San Diego county, but stranger things have happened.

I was looking at the pic again and asked my husband what he thought the black fabric was, he came up with maybe a napsak a fabric bag of some kind? It is definately a strap or a belt, the edges seem too straight.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 29, 2009, 01:44:14 AM
Well geez Nor rose now I dont know...I first thought the material shredded then it looked like a strap. I am at odds with myself!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 01:47:39 AM
Well geez Nor rose now I dont know...I first thought the material shredded then it looked like a strap. I am at odds with myself!

Me too. I first thought a book bag or back pack but after just watching it larger on the news not sure now.   Maybe if we put both our odds together we can come up with a whole?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Here is a close up of the series I just posted.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 29, 2009, 01:49:51 AM
You two have great eyes. It looks like a little monkey to me.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 01:51:24 AM
In this article, it was stated that the Landers skull appears to be from a child 8-14 years old. http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=11659410

I had not seen this article or video before.  Posting it here.

Human Remains Found in Landers

LANDERS - The San Bernardino County Coroner is working to identify human remains found in the hi-desert.

A San Bernardino County Sheriff's Homicide Unit, along with search teams and cadaver dogs, spent hours Thursday looking for more human remains in Landers.

An investigation is now underway after a human skull was discovered Wednesday on a nearby property.

Geraldo Cabrera says his dog "Scoobie" found the skull over two weeks ago while out playing. But it took awhile before anyone realized it.

Geraldo's wife, Ariceli, says her kids told her something in the yard smelled very bad. But she didn't do anything, because she'd had surgery and couldn't walk or leave the house.

Meanwhile, Geraldo, a truck driver, was out on the road.

When Ariceli was finally able to go outside, she didn't know what the skull was when she first saw it.

"I called my cousin and her husband. They came over and he said 'that's a person' and then we called police."

The family says investigators told them the remains appear to be from a child eight to 14 years old.

Some neighbors say they're not surprised by the find.

"I think people kill somebody, then drag them out here to the desert. Nobody pays attention to them," said Marlin Shaffer, a Landers resident.

Investigators say they have not had time to determine how fresh the remains are or if foul play was involved.

http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=11659410


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 01:57:50 AM
Tracy this part looks like the padding/rubber pad you find on shoulder straps for book bags.  Now I am back to it is a strap.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 29, 2009, 01:58:12 AM
Thanks for the up close shots. If you look at the first one the strap think must be on the top and as she is tipping it forward into the bag and falls. To me and I reserve the right to change my mind, that last one looks like a rectangle you would place an identification tag in.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 29, 2009, 02:00:42 AM
Tracy this part looks like the padding/rubber pad you find on shoulder straps for book bags.  Now I am back to it is a strap.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Yes, we both see something that is similar. whew!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 29, 2009, 02:01:00 AM
Could it be a backpack?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 02:01:10 AM
In this article, it was stated that the Landers skull appears to be from a child 8-14 years old. http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=11659410

How many 8 - 14 year olds missing in that area?  and why does police not have the time to determine how long the skull was there?  If there was a bag smell it would not have been completely skeletonized yet. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 29, 2009, 02:01:58 AM
Who are the missing persons in that area of california in the age range to have a book bag or back pack? Maybe in the last year? I will check it out


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 02:02:33 AM
Could it be a backpack?

Yup.  The strap from a backpack  could be also.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 29, 2009, 02:05:53 AM
Who are the missing persons in that area of california in the age range to have a book bag or back pack? Maybe in the last year? I will check it out


Amber is. But who would the other person be? Too much of a coincidence that the two bodies were found close together like that. I wonder if there are any missing people in pairs. Another thing I wondered was if it was a video camera case? Too big probably. Maybe a suitcase? Perhaps a pair of hitchhikers who got picked up by a sicko. I will go do some searching.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 29, 2009, 02:08:30 AM
In this article, it was stated that the Landers skull appears to be from a child 8-14 years old. http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=11659410

How many 8 - 14 year olds missing in that area?  and why does police not have the time to determine how long the skull was there?  If there was a bag smell it would not have been completely skeletonized yet. 

Hi Northern Rose
When was this skull found? At least 2 weeks ago right? Why have they not had time? A skull of a 8-14 year old should be a priority!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 02:08:54 AM
Thanks for the up close shots. If you look at the first one the strap think must be on the top and as she is tipping it forward into the bag and falls. To me and I reserve the right to change my mind, that last one looks like a rectangle you would place an identification tag in.

I see what you are saying


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 02:12:10 AM
Who are the missing persons in that area of california in the age range to have a book bag or back pack? Maybe in the last year? I will check it out

The Landers skull did not have the clothe with it but is the one they are saying could be a 8-14 year old. 

The clothe was found with the two skulls in Angels Forest.  They have not said approx ages or genders for either of those skulls.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 02:13:09 AM
In this article, it was stated that the Landers skull appears to be from a child 8-14 years old. http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=11659410

How many 8 - 14 year olds missing in that area?  and why does police not have the time to determine how long the skull was there?  If there was a bag smell it would not have been completely skeletonized yet. 

Hi Northern Rose
When was this skull found? At least 2 weeks ago right? Why have they not had time? A skull of a 8-14 year old should be a priority!

Landers skull Dec 10 or 11 I believe.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 29, 2009, 02:13:25 AM
These are the missing kids under the age of 14 missing from So Ca that are listed on www.missingkids.com

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1130433&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=1116813&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=1130732&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=1127578&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 29, 2009, 02:16:58 AM
And of course Amber was last seen on her way to school with her backpack. Do we have a pic of the type of back pack she had? What color and style it was?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 02:18:17 AM
Reconstructing human remains found in L.A. forest will be jigsaw puzzle

One of the skulls was marked by a large circular hole in the forehead, which authorities suspect was a bullet wound. The other, found roughly 25 to 50 yards away in a remote section of the Angeles National Forest, showed severe trauma.

On Monday, a forensic anthropologist and other investigators examined the skulls and other human bones found in the area last week. The bones are like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle that authorities hope will lead them to the identity of the victims and eventually to who or what killed them.

The Los Angeles County coroner’s office said Monday the deaths appear suspicious but that officials won’t know for sure until more tests are done.


“It appears that both of them are homicides, but we’re not going to say right now,” said Ed Winter of the coroner’s office. Winter said a forensic anthropologist was poring over the bones, trying to match up  which pieces belonged to which skull.

Then comes the task of identifying the race, age and sex of each set of remains. Investigators hope to have that portion completed by the end of the week. Authorities will then comb through missing-persons databases and look through local and federal law enforcement records to check for possible matches. Investigators then will use various means, such as dental records, to try to positively identify the remains.

Homicide detectives aren’t likely to jump on the case until the coroner can provide a cause death, as well as identifications. Right now, there are few clues.

One of the skulls shows signs it could have been burned during last summer's Station fire, suggesting that the remains might have been there before the fire started. The second skull was found buried under a couple of inches of dirt, Winter said.

Law enforcement authorities and coroner’s investigators are unsure how long the remains had been there.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/12/reconstructing-human-remains-found-in-la-forest-will-be-jigsaw-puzzle-.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 02:19:49 AM
From the last article it suggests that one skull was there before August and the other was not.  Would a few inches of dirt save it from the fire?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 02:21:10 AM
And of course Amber was last seen on her way to school with her backpack. Do we have a pic of the type of back pack she had? What color and style it was?

Amber was last seen wearing a black hooded sweatshirt and black pants. Her jewelry consisted of a blue sapphire ring worn on her middle left finger. She was also wearing a silver claddagh ring, which is a traditional Irish ring given in friendship or worn as a wedding ring. It is described as two hands clasping a heart, and the heart is surmounted by a crown. Amber was carrying a black shoulder bag, which is similar in appearance to a computer laptop carrying case.


http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/dubois_a.htm


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 29, 2009, 02:24:49 AM
It does appear to say that. I don't think a couple of inches of dirt would save it from a raging forest fire. This is creepy, like a dumping site for a killer.

I apologize the list, that list is from using a filter of missing persons within the last year up until July since the fire was in August. Obviously it could be from longer or now after August. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 02:27:48 AM
It does appear to say that. I don't think a couple of inches of dirt would save it from a raging forest fire. This is creepy, like a dumping site for a killer.

I apologize the list, that list is from using a filter of missing persons within the last year up until July since the fire was in August. Obviously it could be from longer or now after August. 

I agree if one skull is burned and the other is not, this could be someones special place to hide bodies.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 29, 2009, 02:28:50 AM
And of course Amber was last seen on her way to school with her backpack. Do we have a pic of the type of back pack she had? What color and style it was?

Amber was last seen wearing a black hooded sweatshirt and black pants. Her jewelry consisted of a blue sapphire ring worn on her middle left finger. She was also wearing a silver claddagh ring, which is a traditional Irish ring given in friendship or worn as a wedding ring. It is described as two hands clasping a heart, and the heart is surmounted by a crown. Amber was carrying a black shoulder bag, which is similar in appearance to a computer laptop carrying case.


http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/dubois_a.htm

I don't know if this will help to give an idea of designs.
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=black+shoulder+school+bag&sa=N&start=20&ndsp=20

I wonder what type of material it was made out of. Was it a stiff nylon or a fabric. Sebastian can you find out?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 02:29:39 AM
On the Lander skull, there used to be an article in the San Bernardino County Sun but it has been archived.  Here is as much as I can see from it.

Dog unearths human skull in Landers
Full story: San Bernardino County Sun

A human skull was found in a Landers backyard Wednesday after a resident's dog dragged the bones into a backyard in the 59000 block of Mitch Lane, sheriff's detectives said.

http://www.topix.com/city/landers-ca/2009/12/dog-unearths-human-skull-in-landers


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 29, 2009, 02:38:53 AM
On the Lander skull, there used to be an article in the San Bernardino County Sun but it has been archived.  Here is as much as I can see from it.

Dog unearths human skull in Landers
Full story: San Bernardino County Sun

A human skull was found in a Landers backyard Wednesday after a resident's dog dragged the bones into a backyard in the 59000 block of Mitch Lane, sheriff's detectives said.

http://www.topix.com/city/landers-ca/2009/12/dog-unearths-human-skull-in-landers

How strange this is. I looked at this area on google maps, why would someone drive all of the way out there to dump the body close enough to someones home that a dog could unearth it? Why would they not take it out to the middle of the desert? Why so close to homes? That to me is strange.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 02:41:49 AM
Here is the location I have been using to map the Forest skulls. 

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/local/second-skull-found-in-angeles-national-forest-20091226

If you click on satellite and then large map under the map you can see all the roads etc and zoom in and move around.

I am off to bed.  Good night and God bless.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 02:42:42 AM
Sorry, I meant Hybrid so you can get the road details.  Good night.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 29, 2009, 02:46:16 AM
Here is the location I have been using to map the Forest skulls. 

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/local/second-skull-found-in-angeles-national-forest-20091226

If you click on satellite and then large map under the map you can see all the roads etc and zoom in and move around.

I am off to bed.  Good night and God bless.

Goodnight NorRose, thanks for all of your pics. Some family some where is very close to finding out what happened to someone they love. I am off to bed too. Good night all


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 29, 2009, 03:25:04 AM
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/misheloff_ilene.html

This girls case was 20 years ago but is similar to Ambers in that she was last seen walking home from school. The age range is close as well. Timothy Bindner was a suspect in her case and she has never been found. I read the book "Stalemate" about Bindner. I still cannot believe that he was never connected legally to any of these cases. I remember reading somewhere that he went to school in San Bernardino. He lives in Northern California now but may still have relatives in San Bernardino.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 29, 2009, 04:27:29 AM
http://www.kpho.com/news/22065805/detail.html

More remains found in Arizona. Is it me, or are there a lot more than usual popping up?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 29, 2009, 10:20:15 AM
You all did a lot of work on Amber last night.
Thank You

I am very interested in " Landers " at this point.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: sebastian on December 29, 2009, 12:39:18 PM
You all did a lot of work on Amber last night.
Thank You

I am very interested in " Landers " at this point.


http://www.hidesertstar.com/articles/2009/12/12/news/doc4b233b43f0e7a447934121.txt

Hi Edward,
Here is another article on Landers. I called Amber's information into the phone number listed on the bottom of the article.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 29, 2009, 01:14:50 PM
Good work sabastian.. That will save a lot of time for comparrisons.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 29, 2009, 01:17:45 PM
At the coroner’s laboratory in San Bernardino, Friday a doctor and forensic anthropologist examined the skull to glean as much information they could.

“The doctor looked to see if there are any signs of any trauma that give him any clues,” coroner’s spokesperson Sandy Fatland said. “The forensic anthropologist will try to determine gender, age and other qualities.”


Next week, the deputy coroner, anthropologist and medical examiner will decide whether to send a sample or the entire skull, which Fatland said looked fairly intact, to the Department of Justice.

The coroner’s office might want to keep the skull in San Bernardino in case further remains are found, so experts could make sure they all come from the same body.

The Department of Justice will take DNA samples from the skull to see if it matches anyone in law enforcement’s DNA records.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 29, 2009, 01:20:06 PM
Northern Rose..

You are Awesome.  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 01:58:32 PM
Northern Rose..

You are Awesome.  ::MonkeyDance::

Aw shucks...I need a blushing monkey 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 02:00:20 PM
Detectives To Search Area Where Skulls Were Found
Two skulls found in Angeles Nat'l Forest gully.
Updated: Tuesday, 29 Dec 2009, 10:37 AM PST

Lucas Creek - Homicide detectives plan to return this week to a site where two human skulls, one with an apparent bullet hole, were found below the Angeles Forest (N3) Highway in a gully scorched by the Station Fire, authorities said today.

"They'll be looking for the rest of the remains," Detective Eddie Brown of the Los Angeles County sheriff's Homicide Bureau said this morning. "They're at the beginning of this, not the end."

The first skull was discovered Thursday near mile marker 19.36 of the Angeles Forest Highway, above the Big Tujunga Dam, said Lt. Paul Becker of the Homicide Bureau. Deputies from the Crescenta Valley Sheriff's Station who went to the site saw the skull had a bullet hole, he said.

On Saturday, about a dozen forensic scientists, coroner's investigators and homicide detectives returned to the gully to dig and sift through dirt, rocks and debris in the gully. They used soft-bristle, wood-handled brushes to excavate, and metal, wood-framed screens to sift through material, as well as one dog trained at sniffing out human remains.

The second skull was discovered about 10:30 a.m. Saturday, close to where the first was found, Becker said.

"We don't know if this is a murder, a suicide or accidental," Becker said Saturday at the scene. "Obviously that is the focus of this investigation."

Both sets of remains remained unidentified today, said Los Angeles County Coroner's Investigator Larry Dietz.

The gully where the skulls were found feeds into the Lucas Creek drainage, which in turn feeds Big Tujunga Canyon above the dam. The location where the remains were found is about 100 feet below the Angeles Forest Highway.

The steep-sloped drainage was nearly denuded by the Station Fire, which burned 250 square miles of the Angeles National Forest in August and September.

Though the remains were found in the burned-out area, at least one of the skulls appeared to pre-date the fire, said Coroner's Investigator Jerry McKibben.

"Apparently it's part of the burn area, but it sounds like the bones are pre-fire," McKibben said. "Just from the condition of the skull, it sounds like it was skeletonized before the fire."

Homicide investigators and forensic scientists may return to the dig area today or Wednesday, Deputy Ed Hernandez of the Sheriff's Headquarters Bureau said this morning.

"This is a homicide investigation," Hernandez said. "It's ongoing."


http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/local/angeles-national-forest-skulls-20091229


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: AmbersMom on December 29, 2009, 02:36:57 PM
I called the Lander's Det. they are going to run Amber's DNA.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 29, 2009, 03:10:12 PM
Second Human Skull Found In Angeles National Forest (With video)

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-angeles-skull-found,0,6868973.story

This is the link that has the video associated to all the still shots posted in Amber's thread.
It is the los Angeles forest second skull that was found and in it you will see forensics team putting articles collected into bags.. These images were saved and posted in this thread by Northern Rose.

We do not have  video of the Landers area find.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 03:19:54 PM
Second Human Skull Found In Angeles National Forest (With video)

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-angeles-skull-found,0,6868973.story

This is the link that has the video associated to all the still shots posted in Amber's thread.
It is the los Angeles forest second skull that was found and in it you will see forensics team putting articles collected into bags.. These images were saved and posted in this thread by Northern Rose.

We do not have  video of the Landers area find.



There is a video of Landers but I did not know how to bring it over.  I will go find the article again.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 03:33:14 PM
Video on right side of screen http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=11659410

Stills from video, boy pointing where dog dropped skull and police searching.  There is no video of where skull was found as dog brought it home and police have not found the place where the dog found it. 



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 29, 2009, 03:41:46 PM
Thank Northern Rose,  Carrie called me and asked for the Video link.
 Now we have 2 videos.
1.of the Angeles National forest..
2. Landers area.

She will come by later and look at both.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 05:14:54 PM
Mystery Surrounds Skulls Found in Forest
Two skulls found in Angeles Nat'l Forest gully

Lucas Creek - Homicide detectives said today they'll rely on laboratory forensics in investigating the discovery of two human skulls, one with an apparent bullet hole, below the Angeles Forest Highway in a wildfire- scorched gully.

While a detective earlier said investigators would return to the site to look for the rest of the remains, Deputy Rick Pedroza of the Los Angeles County sheriff's Homicide Bureau said today they did not plan to go back.

But much forensic work remains to be done.

"They're at the beginning of this, not the end," sheriff's Detective Eddie Brown said.

The first skull was discovered Thursday near mile marker 19.36 of the Angeles Forest Highway, above the Big Tujunga Dam. Deputies from the Crescenta Valley Sheriff's Station went to the site and found the skull with the apparent bullet hole, said Lt. Paul Becker of the Homicide Bureau.

On Saturday, about a dozen forensic scientists, coroner's investigators and homicide detectives returned to dig and sift through dirt, rocks and debris in the gully.

Using soft-bristle, wood-handled brushes to excavate, and metal, wood- framed screens to sift through material, as well as one dog trained at sniffing out human remains, they found the second skull about 10:30 a.m., close to where the first was located, Becker said.

"We don't know if this is a murder, a suicide or accidental," Becker said that day. "Obviously that is the focus of this investigation."

Both sets of remains remained unidentified today, said Los Angeles County coroner's Investigator Larry Dietz.

The gully where the skulls were found feeds into the Lucas Creek drainage, which in turn feeds Big Tujunga Canyon above the dam. The remains were found about 100 feet below the Angeles Forest Highway.

The steep-sloped drainage was nearly denuded by the massive Station Fire, which burned 250 square miles of the Angeles National Forest in August and September.

Though the remains were found in the burned-out area, at least one of the skulls appeared to pre-date the fire, said coroner's Investigator Jerry McKibben.

"Apparently it's part of the burn area, but it sounds like the bones are pre-fire," McKibben said. "Just from the condition of the skull, it sounds like it was skeletonized before the fire."

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/local/angeles-national-forest-skulls-20091229


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 29, 2009, 05:56:10 PM
I still don't understand how and where this dog found the skull. Was he let to roam the area freely? Seems there is a fence around the house or he at least is in a pen. Also, if you look at that area there are houses on plots of land all around there. Why would someone dump a body there where it will have a better chance of being found? Why not take it a few miles deeper into the desert where there are no houses? There are 16 RSO in Landers, that is a lot for a small town.

Here is information on Landers
http://www.movoto.com/neighborhood/ca/landers/92285.htm

 Here is the RSO in the area. 
http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?zoomAction=Box&zoomAction=clickcenter&zoomAction=clickoffender&lastName=&firstName=&Address=&City=&zipcode=&searchDistance=.75&City2=landers&countyLocation=&zipcode2=&SelectCounty=&ParkName=&searchDistance2=.75&City3=&zipcode3=&countyLocation3=&schoolName=&searchDistance3=.75&City4=&zipcode4=&countyLocation4=&refineID=&pan=&distacross=12000&centerlat=34400001&centerlon=-116479993&starlat=0&starlon=0&startext=&x1=&y1=&x2=&y2=&mapwidth=525&mapheight=400&zoom=&searchBy=maplist&id=&docountycitylist=2&OFDTYPE=X884&lang=ENGLISH


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 29, 2009, 06:12:17 PM
I still don't understand how and where this dog found the skull. Was he let to roam the area freely? Seems there is a fence around the house or he at least is in a pen. Also, if you look at that area there are houses on plots of land all around there. Why would someone dump a body there where it will have a better chance of being found? Why not take it a few miles deeper into the desert where there are no houses? There are 16 RSO in Landers, that is a lot for a small town.

Here is information on Landers
http://www.movoto.com/neighborhood/ca/landers/92285.htm

 Here is the RSO in the area. 
http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?zoomAction=Box&zoomAction=clickcenter&zoomAction=clickoffender&lastName=&firstName=&Address=&City=&zipcode=&searchDistance=.75&City2=landers&countyLocation=&zipcode2=&SelectCounty=&ParkName=&searchDistance2=.75&City3=&zipcode3=&countyLocation3=&schoolName=&searchDistance3=.75&City4=&zipcode4=&countyLocation4=&refineID=&pan=&distacross=12000&centerlat=34400001&centerlon=-116479993&starlat=0&starlon=0&startext=&x1=&y1=&x2=&y2=&mapwidth=525&mapheight=400&zoom=&searchBy=maplist&id=&docountycitylist=2&OFDTYPE=X884&lang=ENGLISH


This article says it was a stray dog

The reporting party’s aunt said a stray dog came onto her property with something in its mouth that appeared to be a human skull, possibly belonging to a baby or child. The skull was located behind a vehicle on the reporting party’s property, a sheriff’s department media summary stated.

http://www.hidesertstar.com/articles/2009/12/12/news/doc4b233b43f0e7a447934121.txt


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 29, 2009, 06:19:46 PM
In another article it gives the dogs name as scooby...another great example of reporting.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Tracygirl on December 29, 2009, 06:22:16 PM
http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=11659410

By Jason Sloss, News Channel 3 Reporter
jsloss@kesq.com

LANDERS - The San Bernardino County Coroner is working to identify human remains found in the hi-desert.

A San Bernardino County Sheriff's Homicide Unit, along with search teams and cadaver dogs, spent hours Thursday looking for more human remains in Landers.

An investigation is now underway after a human skull was discovered Wednesday on a nearby property.

Geraldo Cabrera says his dog "Scoobie" found the skull over two weeks ago while out playing. But it took awhile before anyone realized it.

Geraldo's wife, Ariceli, says her kids told her something in the yard smelled very bad. But she didn't do anything, because she'd had surgery and couldn't walk or leave the house.

Meanwhile, Geraldo, a truck driver, was out on the road.

When Ariceli was finally able to go outside, she didn't know what the skull was when she first saw it.

"I called my cousin and her husband. They came over and he said 'that's a person' and then we called police."

The family says investigators told them the remains appear to be from a child eight to 14 years old.

Some neighbors say they're not surprised by the find.

"I think people kill somebody, then drag them out here to the desert. Nobody pays attention to them," said Marlin Shaffer, a Landers resident.

Investigators say they have not had time to determine how fresh the remains are or if foul play was involved.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on December 30, 2009, 07:33:57 PM
Bones found in Newberry spring area.. It is a big desert.
I do not know if the find of a skull is connected to these bones..

http://www.desertdispatch.com/news/bones-7588-desert-essex.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Northern Rose on December 30, 2009, 10:12:08 PM
Bones found in Newberry spring area.. It is a big desert.
I do not know if the find of a skull is connected to these bones..

http://www.desertdispatch.com/news/bones-7588-desert-essex.html

It is 6.5 miles between Essex and I-40


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on December 30, 2009, 10:16:01 PM
Edward I do not believe that this is related to the skull found in Landers.  Essex is 111 miles and 3 hours 5 mins travel time.  As the crow flies it would still be over 90 miles.  I can not see a dog carrying a skull for that distance. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on December 30, 2009, 10:17:51 PM
Human remains found in desert near Needles
By Stacia Glenn
Posted: 12/30/2009 04:48:13 PM PST


A passerby on Tuesday found human remains in a rural desert area west of Needles.
The remains were discovered south of the 40 Freeway, north of Essex. A motorist stopped and got out of his vehicle to let his dog out of the car when he saw the bones.

Coroner's officials said the remains are that of a male, but they have not identified the victim. An autopsy is expected to be conducted this week to determine the cause of death.

Anyone with information is asked to call sheriff's Sgt. Frank Montanez at 909-387-3589 or the Coroner Division at 909-387-2978.

http://**/news/ci_14095905


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: ChiChi on December 31, 2009, 12:59:08 AM
Carrie had the password reset so she could listen to messages on the cell phone. In hopes of finding info on who was chatting with amber last and where amber may be.

I have always felt that the attempt to get to the messages was by a perp and not by amber herself. The perp wanted to make sure he was not going to get caught.
That is just my opinion..

Others believe that this was Amber herself.

As time passes I really think I was correct.

Hi Edward,
This cellphone thing has driven me crazy from the get go. I have asked several random people what they would do if they had kidnapped a child and found out that the child had a cellphone. The first thing they say is "throw it out the window". I have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that a perp would hang on to a cellphone for a full day and then try to check it for messages? The only way that would make sense to me is if the perp was someone close to Amber and or her family. As you said, they would be trying to see if they got away with it. Perhaps a random perp would keep it for a trophy but Amber was wearing jewelry and such so that seems unlikely as well. Whoever it is, they took a chance by turning it on at all. Another interesting thing to me is that the ping came from North Broadway. That would mean that the person was still in the area 24 hours later. Why not leave immediately while they had the chance?

The 38 year old woman who was kinnapped and to this day has not been found ..She was talking with her boyfriend on the phone when the perp showed up to abduct her ..All herd by the boyfriend who was in another state..LE found her cell phone thrown from a vehicle on a lawn not far from where she was abducted..
Perps know to throw that phone !! It is a tracking device.!!



okay, here is my theroy.  First of all, everytime I type a letter, the whole quotes above jump up and down.  Completely annoying!  At any rate, perhaps the person who abducted her knew her.  Left her a message, perhaps luring her somewhere that morning.  Or meet me by the whatever...then after the kidnapping, turns on phone to delete message or the txt? idk...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: ChiChi on December 31, 2009, 01:02:27 AM
does anyone have the ability to post an aerial photo like the one above outlining her home, the school, and where the tower was that pinged the next day?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on December 31, 2009, 04:05:15 AM
Hi Chi,
I am not sure how to load things or I would. I can tell you that the cell tower ping came from the area of Center City Parkway and Deer Springs Road on the right hand side. I think that there may be a water tower next to the cell tower. With regards to the cellphone, someone never got through to do anything on Amber's phone. They attempted to check the messages but the password had already been changed at that point by Amber's parents. Does anyone know if every cell carrier uses the same code to check messages? Such as star 82 or 83?  If not, it would be curious to know how the person would know what the correct way to check the messages were.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on December 31, 2009, 01:23:56 PM
Hi Chi,
I am not sure how to load things or I would. I can tell you that the cell tower ping came from the area of Center City Parkway and Deer Springs Road on the right hand side. I think that there may be a water tower next to the cell tower. With regards to the cellphone, someone never got through to do anything on Amber's phone. They attempted to check the messages but the password had already been changed at that point by Amber's parents. Does anyone know if every cell carrier uses the same code to check messages? Such as star 82 or 83?  If not, it would be curious to know how the person would know what the correct way to check the messages were.

I had posted a cell tower map early on in the case with my best guess as to which tower it was that would have picked up and showing the distance that tower has.  Here is it.  The middle is the tower and the other pins are the max distance.  Tower signals are in the pattern as shown on the map, not a big circle.  As I have no idea which way the tower is pointing the placement of the pattern may not be correct (it may need to be rotated which means areas areas that are currently shown in range may fall into the not covered areas where the circles overlap and visa versa).   If this is the correct tower let me know.  I will then add the school and Amber's house.  I am not certain I have her residence address so would need that to map her house.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on December 31, 2009, 01:45:01 PM
School to the tower


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on December 31, 2009, 01:52:57 PM
Two possible routes directly to cell tower from school.  Depending on where in the coverage area the cell is, the distance and travel time would change but this gives you an idea.

First route that goes south then onto 15 is 7.4 miles 10 mins

Second route that goes north on N Broadway is 5.2 miles 12 mins.




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on December 31, 2009, 02:11:16 PM
Hi Chi,
I am not sure how to load things or I would. I can tell you that the cell tower ping came from the area of Center City Parkway and Deer Springs Road on the right hand side. I think that there may be a water tower next to the cell tower. With regards to the cellphone, someone never got through to do anything on Amber's phone. They attempted to check the messages but the password had already been changed at that point by Amber's parents. Does anyone know if every cell carrier uses the same code to check messages? Such as star 82 or 83?  If not, it would be curious to know how the person would know what the correct way to check the messages were.

This is interesting. I don't think I have ever read where the ping came from or the area. Not too many houses or businesses seem to be around there.
I have had so many phones and usually all I have to do is press and hold down the 1 and it goes to voice mail.

Quoting Edward:
I have always felt that the attempt to get to the messages was by a perp and not by amber herself. The perp wanted to make sure he was not going to get caught.
That is just my opinion..

Others believe that this was Amber herself.

As time passes I really think I was correct.


I completely agree with this Edward and feel you are correct. If it was Amber and she was in trouble, I don't think she would call her voicemail but would rather call 911 or her mom or some person. My theory is the phone had been ringing and ringing, maybe people were leaving messages and the person that took her got curious. Amber may have been told to give him the password or he could have simply pressed the 1 as I stated above to see who was calling her. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on December 31, 2009, 02:13:44 PM
Two possible routes directly to cell tower from school.  Depending on where in the coverage area the cell is, the distance and travel time would change but this gives you an idea.

First route that goes south then onto 15 is 7.4 miles 10 mins

Second route that goes north on N Broadway is 5.2 miles 12 mins.




As my youngest says,
"you rock!" Thank you for the maps!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on December 31, 2009, 02:40:00 PM
Sebastian said:

the cell tower ping came from the area of Center City Parkway and Deer Springs Road on the right hand side. I think that there may be a water tower next to the cell tower.


Is that where you are putting the tower northern rose ?



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on December 31, 2009, 02:55:17 PM
Sebastian said:

the cell tower ping came from the area of Center City Parkway and Deer Springs Road on the right hand side. I think that there may be a water tower next to the cell tower.


Is that where you are putting the tower northern rose ?



My tower is where it is actually located per AT&T.  It it is north of Deer Springs Road on Mesa Rock Road.   

2691 Mesa Rock Road (Lat: 33.199167 Lon: -117.128333), Type: Pole, Structure height: 16.1 m, Overall height: 16.1 m
Registrant: At&t Wireless Services, Inc.,

I have a list of the longs and lats of all the towers if this is not the correct one. 


 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on December 31, 2009, 03:21:05 PM
You know I wonder if the person that took Amber lives or works right around there. He/she may have taken her things back to their place, that is why nothing has been located. Are there any interesting folks that live around that area? Doesn't seem to be that many houses.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on December 31, 2009, 03:36:19 PM
Off North Center City Parkway there is a nursery and before that a Uhaul rental...Did LE check the records of the Uhauls rented on the 13th, 14th and possibly 15th?



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on December 31, 2009, 03:51:17 PM
There is a patio furniture place on the corner of n. center and deer spring. Does it strick anyone else odd RV's would be parked there? On google maps you can see a large class A camper with the antenia up indicated to me it is parked there. Also they have delivery trucks, very easy to move a person around in a delivery truck. Of course I am accusing these people, I am just saying such a vehical could have asked Amber for directions or something then yanked her into the truck.

How heavily did LE check out the businesses and homes in that area?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on December 31, 2009, 03:56:16 PM
There is a patio furniture place on the corner of n. center and deer spring. Does it strick anyone else odd RV's would be parked there? On google maps you can see a large class A camper with the antenia up indicated to me it is parked there. Also they have delivery trucks, very easy to move a person around in a delivery truck. Of course I am accusing these people, I am just saying such a vehical could have asked Amber for directions or something then yanked her into the truck.

How heavily did LE check out the businesses and homes in that area?

Tracy I had looked at all the garden centres in that area when we were stuck on the red truck.  There were a few garden centres up there.  I don't think I kept the list and am sorry about that.  I remember one to the east of the interstate that seemed it was out of a guys house. That one struck me odd.  Not sure why, but it did.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on December 31, 2009, 03:57:36 PM
Warrant issued for child porn

Published: Wednesday, December 30, 2009

YUCCA VALLEY — A $500,000 felony arrest warrant has been issued for Peter Graffin Ault, 50, who is facing numerous counts of possession and distribution of child pornography.

Authorities believe he may be attempting to avoid arrest, according to sheriff’s department spokeswoman Arden Wiltshire.

Ault’s last known address is 55524 Yucca Trail No. 75 in Yucca Valley. However, he is also known to frequent the Joshua Tree area.

A white male, Ault stands 6 feet, 1 inch tall and weighs 170 pounds. His hair is grey and his eyes are hazel.


Anyone who has information on his location is asked to contact Det. Roxanne Logan at (909) 387-3615 or Sgt. James Porter at (760) 366-4175.

Callers wishing to remain anonymous may leave information on the We-Tip Hotline by calling 1-800-78-CRIME or visiting www.wetip.com.

Tipsters may be eligible for a reward up to $1,000 for information that leads to the arrest and conviction of the suspect.

(http://images.**/hidesertstar.com/content/articles/2009/12/30/breaking_news/doc4b3bce8e10461370620233.jpg)

http://www.hidesertstar.com/articles/2009/12/30/breaking_news/doc4b3bce8e10461370620233.txt


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on December 31, 2009, 04:09:44 PM
There is a patio furniture place on the corner of n. center and deer spring. Does it strick anyone else odd RV's would be parked there? On google maps you can see a large class A camper with the antenia up indicated to me it is parked there. Also they have delivery trucks, very easy to move a person around in a delivery truck. Of course I am accusing these people, I am just saying such a vehical could have asked Amber for directions or something then yanked her into the truck.

How heavily did LE check out the businesses and homes in that area?

Tracy I had looked at all the garden centres in that area when we were stuck on the red truck.  There were a few garden centres up there.  I don't think I kept the list and am sorry about that.  I remember one to the east of the interstate that seemed it was out of a guys house. That one struck me odd.  Not sure why, but it did.



hmmm there is a house along Ambers route that seems to have a lot of plants and things. I wonder if they got anything delivered that day or if there where any landscaping projects going on in that local area? I suppose the same can be said for anyone getting any type of delivery to their home that day.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on December 31, 2009, 04:31:07 PM
That fellow In Yucca Valley lives very close to where the skull was found..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on December 31, 2009, 05:24:59 PM
That fellow In Yucca Valley lives very close to where the skull was found..

Yup he sure does.  The lady who found the skull said that it smelled really bad.  That would indicate it had not skeletonized yet. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on December 31, 2009, 05:44:58 PM
Wishing you all a blessed New Year.  To Amber's family my wish is that you find answers, peace and Amber. 



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on December 31, 2009, 09:27:26 PM
Happy new year Northern Rose.  ::MonkeyWink::



That fellow In Yucca Valley lives very close to where the skull was found..

Yup he sure does.  The lady who found the skull said that it smelled really bad.  That would indicate it had not skeletonized yet. 

I agree. Death was not so long ago OR it was just dug up.
How far do you think an animal can move such an item ? The remains could still be buried. ??

Dogs Dig ..

Searchers may be looking for on top of the ground evidence? I would assume they would be looking for fresh diggings.
It would be hard.

I know that desert.








Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 01, 2010, 03:13:43 AM
Two possible routes directly to cell tower from school.  Depending on where in the coverage area the cell is, the distance and travel time would change but this gives you an idea.

First route that goes south then onto 15 is 7.4 miles 10 mins

Second route that goes north on N Broadway is 5.2 miles 12 mins.



Thank you so much for the maps Northern Rose! They are awsome! To see it on a map is really interesting! I have friends who live in Hidden Meadows. If you look at this map it is an area to the right at the end of the ping. My friends say that the folks in Hidden Meadows get sick of all of the teenagers who go out there to party and make out and such. It is an area where you can travel down a road for a short distance and quickly be in the middle of nowhere.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: ChiChi on January 01, 2010, 01:05:23 PM
Two possible routes directly to cell tower from school.  Depending on where in the coverage area the cell is, the distance and travel time would change but this gives you an idea.

First route that goes south then onto 15 is 7.4 miles 10 mins

Second route that goes north on N Broadway is 5.2 miles 12 mins.



thanks Northern for the maps

regarding the question as to if all phone companies have a code that you must enter to retrieve voicemails: I have ATT and am in Northern Cali.  All I do is hold down the "1" on my phone and it goes directly to voicemail.  If Amber were hurt, you are right, she would not call voicemail... that does not make any sense.  But if the perp left a message to lure her, they may want to delete it.  Did authorities ever access her voicemails? I don't rememer hearing about that.  My husband made a point that maybe someone found the fone and tried to access the voicemail to see who it belonged to to possibly return it, then could not.  Wonder where it is now...looks like it was fairly close to the school tho.

I


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: ChiChi on January 01, 2010, 01:27:44 PM
Okay, using Northern's address for the tower as :2691 Mesa Rock Road (Lat: 33.199167 Lon: -117.128333), Type: Pole, Structure height: 16.1 m, Overall height: 16.1 m
Registrant: At&t Wireless Services, Inc.,

that zip code is 92026.  There are 33 registered sex offenders in that zip code.

this is getting interesting.  let me look some more.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 01, 2010, 02:19:17 PM
Many smart phones have built in global positioning systems. Senior members of the Bush Administration and other politicians reportedly turned that capability off. But cell transmissions are different. The cell device’s locations are monitored via towers by phone companies, which are required to keep data in case of an emergency.

“There’s no way you can make [cell phones] untraceable,” says James Atkinson, president of Granite Island Group, an engineering firm near Boston that specializes in technical surveillance countermeasures.

One technology, triggerfish, reportedly used by the government and law enforcement, can simulate a cell tower, tricking nearby phones into transmitting data be-  fore sending the call to a tower.

Cell towers can locate a phone to within about 50 feet on average; in highly populated areas with more towers, it could be within 10 feet. Someone could learn whose phone is whose by a process of elimination. 

http://www.securitymanagement.com/article/can-you-see-me-now-005570


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: chi-monkey on January 01, 2010, 02:37:32 PM
Edward   Do you think LE has the phone pinpointed within 10-50 feet, or was it not on long enough or something?   

Could this phone be in use by someone else now with just the changing of the SIM card?   Pawned or sold on E-Bay.  Is there a way to trace the cell phone ID number apart from the SIM?
 
Northern R.  Many thanks for the maps.

Chi-M


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: ChiChi on January 01, 2010, 02:37:59 PM
I wonder what kind of phone amber had?  I bet it wasn't a smart phone as they tend to be pretty expensive and now all must come with an expensive data plan... I just got the new blackberry bold so yea.  So do we know what kind of a phone she had?

Oh and I have been looking up the nurseries and looking at the "birdseye" view on google... I can't tell you how many of them look like there is a red truck in the parking lot..... wish I could zoom in more but it only lets you go so far.

I am really interested to know if cadavar dogs ever searched the pinged area. and if not, why not.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: ChiChi on January 01, 2010, 02:43:13 PM
I posted something else earlier about one of the nurseries and megan's law.  But I don't see my post.  Have I been regulated? did I post something I should not have? I didn't use any names... just wondering or was there a glich with the computer?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: chi-monkey on January 01, 2010, 03:06:11 PM
I wonder what kind of phone amber had?  I bet it wasn't a smart phone as they tend to be pretty expensive and now all must come with an expensive data plan... I just got the new blackberry bold so yea.  So do we know what kind of a phone she had?

Oh and I have been looking up the nurseries and looking at the "birdseye" view on google... I can't tell you how many of them look like there is a red truck in the parking lot..... wish I could zoom in more but it only lets you go so far.

I am really interested to know if cadavar dogs ever searched the pinged area. and if not, why not.

Hi ChiChi, I too have doubts that Amber actually tried to get her voice messages.  More than likely the phone automatically checks when turned on.  Here's gmother's info.

"Amber, Aunt and I have the same phone Verizon LG. You can open
the keyboard without a password. Amber's first of these phones
was stolen in school the first day she had it and later found
by LE after she was taken.  The current one was likely tossed
as any idiot would know it could be traced. Probably was a kid
 that found and opened it.  I really doubt they tried to get
into her voice mail. NOt an expert but likely the phone pinged
 when the phone was opened and then died. This phone does that."

Chi-M






Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 01, 2010, 03:06:36 PM
chichi..
your posts are not regulated..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 01, 2010, 03:15:23 PM
I remember her writing that ChiMonkey.
I would like to know exactly what happened and IF yes or no somebody tried to access voice mail and tired the original password before mom changed it. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on January 01, 2010, 05:13:22 PM
I have been told about the tracking, I am not sure if it included this area, I think it did, I hope it did but maybe this can be confirm. I found the dog tracking very interesting, not sure what to post or what not to post.  Dogs don't lie, they have no reason to, they have no other motive then to find the correct scent and follow it.
I am very curious about the people that are within the area of the phone ping
considering a phone could be brought to a home or business without Amber. I don't understand why the voicemail password was changed, that seems like it was not the right move to me, jmo. The phone could have been a way of tracking or communicating with Amber or her kidnapper. What messages were on the phone? Is the voicemail still active? You know one thing that doesn't ping a phone that is turned off or without power would be voicemail. Have any messages been left on it since that day? Is there anyway to trace a call made to that phone's voicemail?
 
Someone correct me but I think it the sim card that actually triggers the signal for the ping and not within the board inside of the phone itself, Hmmm anyone know of anyone in the cellular phone business? 



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: klaasend on January 01, 2010, 05:52:57 PM
I posted something else earlier about one of the nurseries and megan's law.  But I don't see my post.  Have I been regulated? did I post something I should not have? I didn't use any names... just wondering or was there a glich with the computer?

No ChiChi, if you posted it should be here.  Did you find the post you are referring to?  Could you have attempted to post then the site went down and you thought the post went through?  We have not edited or deleted any of your posts.  We would let you know if we edited or deleted something and we have not.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 01, 2010, 10:41:01 PM
Edward you have knowledge of human trafficking to Mexico.  This article caught my attention in regards to the suspect in the attempted abduction of a 15 year old girl.  He tried to flee to El Paso.  Do you think if there was a child taken into Mexico that they may bring them back to the US if the heat is on?

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/world/story/973088.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 01, 2010, 11:03:12 PM
Long Beach Police Hunt For Sexual Predator

LONG BEACH (CBS) ―  Click to enlarge1 of 1
Police today sought the public's help in identifying a suspect who sexually assaulted a woman in her home in Long Beach.

The attack occurred around 8 p.m. Wednesday near Cherry Avenue and Ocean Boulevard, according to the Long Beach Police Department.

The victim, a woman in her mid-20s, stepped out of the shower and was confronted by an armed suspect who forced her into her living room and sexually assaulted her, police said.

The suspect was between 5 feet 6 inches and 5 feet 11 inches tall and of average build. He was wearing a black ski mask with red trim around the eyes.

Police believe this incident may be related to a sexual assault that occurred near the same area on Aug. 8. The suspect in that incident had a similar physical description, and the victim was able to get a good look at him, pointing out his short black hair, green or hazel eyes, long eyelashes and a small scar above his right eyebrow.

The suspect, who got into the victims' homes through unlocked windows, was familiar with the area and may have worked there, giving him the chance to watch the victims' routines, police said.

Anyone with information regarding this incident was urged to contact Long Beach Police at (562) 435-6711.

http://cbs2.com/local/long.beach.masked.2.1400122.html



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 01, 2010, 11:17:16 PM
For Immediate Release
 Alleged Sexual Predator Frederick McLean Still Running From Justice
U.S. Marshals ask for the Public's Help in the Manhunt for 15 Most Wanted Fugitive

WASHINGTON – Nearly five years after charges were first filed on Frederick McLean, he is still running from the law. McLean, an alleged sexual predator, is wanted in California on four counts of child molestation, one count of lewd and lascivious acts with a child under 14 and one count of unlawful flight to avoid prosecution.


Authorities need the public’s help in getting McLean off the streets and away from potential victims. Law enforcement officials say they have already identified potentially 17 victims and additional charges could be filed against McLean once he is in custody.

The U.S. Marshals believe his crimes are heinous enough to have earned him a spot on the Marshals’ 15 Most Wanted fugitive list in 2006. Authorities regard McLean as a high risk for committing additional sex crimes against minors. Research on sex offender recidivism shows it is a variety of factors that contribute to reoffending.

“McLean possesses many of the factors correlated with reoffense,” said Dr. Michael Bourke, Chief psychologist for the U.S. Marshals Sex Offender Investigations Branch, “and stress, including the stress that comes with being a fugitive, increases the risk for abusive acting out.”

Fugitive McLean, 58, is wanted by the San Diego Sheriff’s Department on multiple counts of sexual assault on a child, but according to the U.S. Marshals “multiple counts” is an understatement. One alleged victim, now an adult, reported McLean assaulted her more than 100 times, starting when she was five and ending about seven years later.

McLean is deemed to be at high risk for engaging in sexual assault of young girls, according to Bourke. However, he might also target young boys.

“This fugitive has evaded capture for nearly five years, but he needs to know that we will never cease our efforts of hunting him down,” said George W. Venables, U.S. Marshal for the Southern District of California. “We are absolutely resolute in our commitment to bringing in Frederick McLean to face the charges brought against him.”

Several months ago, the Pacific Southwest Regional Fugitive Task Force executed a search warrant and obtained new leads and updated photos on Frederick McLean.

Authorities believe McLean gained access to many of his victims through his leadership position in his local congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses near San Diego.

An arrest warrant was issued in January 2005, for McLean, but authorities believe he sensed his days of freedom were numbered almost six months prior. In May 2004, family members confronted McLean regarding a young female victim’s allegations of molestation. McLean admitted they were true, and the victim’s family called Riverside County Sheriff’s Department. After the confrontation, McLean’s wife and children left him. He began liquidating financial assets, and he signed divorce papers.

In September 2004, McLean’s father-in-law woke up one morning to find McLean’s truck in his driveway. Inside the truck were McLean’s cell phone, letters for the family and instructions on how to sell the vehicle. It was evident from his actions that he believed criminal charges against him were looming.

McLean is a 58-year-old white male who weighs 170 pounds and is 5 feet, 11 inches tall. He has hazel eyes and brown/gray hair – possibly all gray hair. He is an auto mechanic by trade and once owned a racecar restoration business, specializing in racing cars from the 1960s and 1970s. McLean is also an experienced outdoorsman and may frequent camping areas. McLean’s character traits include: being financially frugal, meticulous, organized, and probably pays by cash. Investigators believe McLean may have assumed a new identity and could be using an alias name.

Authorities caution citizens to consider McLean armed and dangerous, and possibly suicidal.

There is a $25,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of McLean, and all inquiries remain confidential. Anyone with information is encouraged to contact their nearest U.S. Marshals Service office, or call the Marshals’ 24-hour phone line at 1-800-336-0102.

U.S. Marshals are the nation’s primary fugitive hunting organization. Fugitive Task Forces led by the U.S. Marshals capture thousands of fugitives each year. For more information on the U.S. Marshals and 15 Most Wanted Fugitive Frederick McLean, go to www.usmarshals.gov.

     Wanted Poster for Frederick McLean http://www.usmarshals.gov/news/chron/2009/mclean.pdf


http://www.usmarshals.gov/news/chron/2009/122909.htm



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 01, 2010, 11:27:28 PM
Reading the release on Frederick Mclean has several things running through my brain right now. 

He is familiar with the San Diego area
He has been molesting children for a long time with no denial or remorse or stopping.
He saw the law coming for him and planned has escaped.
He is an outdoors man.

I doubt that he would be happy living in the bush by himself.  His urges would be getting the better of him and I can see him abducting a young girl to hold prisoner just as in Jaycee Dugard case.  He would plan it and then strike.  It would be too dangerous to be around around children all the time as he was when he was in his leadership position in the Jehovah’s Witnesses near San Diego so would need someone he could have all to himself while he was a fugitive IMO.  This man is a scumbag. 




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: ChiChi on January 02, 2010, 12:32:31 AM
Thanks Klaas, I didn't really think so cause I didn't put any info in it, but it was weird...

Nothern,

I think in my post that never made it, I asked you why you were looking into nurseries.  Was it just because there are quite a few in the Escondido area, especially near where the phone pinged? or was there something else.

Also, I went to a couple of those websites today that belong to some of the nurseries in that area... and some of them list names of employees, founders, etc.  I ran every name listed on Megan's Law and one of the names came up as "incarcerated" for sexual crimes against child under age, but of course, I do not know if that is the same person, could be they just have the same name.  I will check monday to see where incarcerated, when and from what county.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: ChiChi on January 02, 2010, 12:41:42 AM
Thanks Chi Monkey for the info from Ambers family.


Does anyone know if they searched with cadavar dogs there? I mean sorry to say, but if someone was buried in that forest, only way to find them pretty much would be to use those dogs.  They only hit on human remains, so why wouldn't they... other than man power and money I mean. 

Something that really gets me irritated too, is that I feel like Amber's story did not get much coverage from NG. She seems to be slipping lately about her coverage of missing children and rather is focusing on celebrities too much me thinks.  I even wrote to her and tried to get her to provide more coverage.  What can we do... ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 02, 2010, 12:44:02 AM
Thanks Klaas, I didn't really think so cause I didn't put any info in it, but it was weird...

Nothern,

I think in my post that never made it, I asked you why you were looking into nurseries.  Was it just because there are quite a few in the Escondido area, especially near where the phone pinged? or was there something else.

Also, I went to a couple of those websites today that belong to some of the nurseries in that area... and some of them list names of employees, founders, etc.  I ran every name listed on Megan's Law and one of the names came up as "incarcerated" for sexual crimes against child under age, but of course, I do not know if that is the same person, could be they just have the same name.  I will check monday to see where incarcerated, when and from what county.

Hi ChiChi

I was looking into garden centers and nurseries because of the red truck in the video.  It would be a common vehicle for someone in that profession (as well as lawn care etc).  IIRCC someone had mentioned that it looked like there was a toolbox or somehing similar in the truck bed and to me it seemed like a good guess to follow.

The other thing that I looked into was campground and places you could story a 5th wheel, camper etc.  Again truck angel. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: ChiChi on January 02, 2010, 12:49:04 AM
Northern... gotcha,

did you read my post earlier that on the birdseye google view of some of the nurseries I did today, I swear to God there were a couple that had red trucks in their parking lots, maybe customer, maybe worker.... but of course I don't know when these aerial photo posted there were taken... do we know if there were any landscaping projects going on for the city or other local business during the time of her disappearance?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 02, 2010, 12:57:46 AM
Northern... gotcha,

did you read my post earlier that on the birdseye google view of some of the nurseries I did today, I swear to God there were a couple that had red trucks in their parking lots, maybe customer, maybe worker.... but of course I don't know when these aerial photo posted there were taken... do we know if there were any landscaping projects going on for the city or other local business during the time of her disappearance?

I did.  I believe I saw a few red trucks when I was looking as well.  I am curious, a few pages back Edward stated he did not think the explanation of the red truck was credible. What have I missed?  Was the truck and driver located and if so what was the explanation?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: ChiChi on January 02, 2010, 01:04:23 AM
if it was I am not aware of it...  what about it Edward?  What's the story with the red truck? 

I can't believe there are no new leads... at least none that we know of.... I wish something would develop... the fact that none of the "stuff" she was carrying that morning has shown up is interesting too.  Perhaps held for a trophy? tossed somewhere...? 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 02, 2010, 01:05:54 AM
I have been reading like crazy about phone pings and had a few moments of holy smoly.  First I have not found whether it is the sim card or the phone itself and what I have determined is phone model makes a world of difference.  I have discovered that the newer 3G models of phones can be pinged even after the battery dies as they are equipped with a built-in micro-cell battery integrated circuitry that is thinner than a strand of hair and even if you take the phone battery out you can still get GPS location from the phone. 

I know police got the ping records for Amber after she went missing and that is how we know about the 20-30 second attempt of accessing voice mail.  Has a full record of pings been looked at prior to Amber going missing?  Sometimes where someone has been can tell a lot about where they may be.  There might be something in a pattern from the months before she went missing that may give clues if she went with someone she was familiar with if even remotely. 



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 02, 2010, 01:08:40 AM
if it was I am not aware of it...  what about it Edward?  What's the story with the red truck? 

I can't believe there are no new leads... at least none that we know of.... I wish something would develop... the fact that none of the "stuff" she was carrying that morning has shown up is interesting too.  Perhaps held for a trophy? tossed somewhere...? 

I know.  I would hope that ebay and the local resale shops have been monitored for her ring.  Were the valentines presents ever recovered that she had with her to give to her friends?  What were they?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 02, 2010, 01:15:18 AM
if it was I am not aware of it...  what about it Edward?  What's the story with the red truck? 

I can't believe there are no new leads... at least none that we know of.... I wish something would develop... the fact that none of the "stuff" she was carrying that morning has shown up is interesting too.  Perhaps held for a trophy? tossed somewhere...? 

I know.  I would hope that ebay and the local resale shops have been monitored for her ring.  Were the valentines presents ever recovered that she had with her to give to her friends?  What were they?

Sorry I should have said rings - blue saphire as well as silver claddagh ring.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: ChiChi on January 02, 2010, 01:35:33 AM
I stop in to SM every now and then as time permits... do Amber's family still post and provide feedback, info?  I hope so... keeps us going.  I wonder if they take any ideas or anything from here and approach LE... Happy New Year Amber! we still remember you and pray for your safe return! ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 02, 2010, 01:43:51 AM
I think I found the answer to our truck question.  I do not buy it

<snipped>

A red pickup seen in a grainy video parked in the school bus lot near the football field has been all but dismissed as a lead.

“We think we've identified it,” Benton said. “We're hoping to confirm soon that the red truck had nothing to do with the case.”

From same article what concerns me are two sentences:

Amber was last seen at 7:10 a.m. Feb. 13 walking to Escondido High School on North Broadway. She was walking with a tall boy who has yet to be identified.

Two video recordings made from cameras at the school show that Amber did not keep walking toward the campus.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/oct/19/police-press-their-quest-find-escondido-girl/



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on January 02, 2010, 03:24:04 AM
I think I found the answer to our truck question.  I do not buy it

<snipped>

A red pickup seen in a grainy video parked in the school bus lot near the football field has been all but dismissed as a lead.

“We think we've identified it,” Benton said. “We're hoping to confirm soon that the red truck had nothing to do with the case.”

From same article what concerns me are two sentences:

Amber was last seen at 7:10 a.m. Feb. 13 walking to Escondido High School on North Broadway. She was walking with a tall boy who has yet to be identified.

Two video recordings made from cameras at the school show that Amber did not keep walking toward the campus.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/oct/19/police-press-their-quest-find-escondido-girl/


I have spoken to Carrie and I am not sure what I can and cannot say she didn't tell me. I am not sure about the truck, from what I have been told the explanation leaves a bit to be desired, but LE doesn't believe this person is responsible. I am not sure, I wish I had the guys name, I do not.

That last sentance about the camera's, that is interesting and makes me wonder again, even stronger then before if she turned around to go back home, maybe she forgot something, maybe someone called her, maybe whatever. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 02, 2010, 10:28:16 AM
They found the red truck. Police do not consider the male driver a suspect. He is a father of a student at the school.
 I think this male wants his privacy protected and may have made legal threat if his name is drug into this.
That is why we do not discuss it and we will just have to leave it up to LE to decide.
They know who he is.. That is the bottom line.


LE and Carrie get leads and people come forward and offer help in all kinds of ways.
Recently a Indian fellow hunted Carrie down and he wanted to Meet with mom. He came over and did some form of Indian trance related vision, in doing this interesting presentation, he gave Carrie info he thinks may be true.
It was relative to horse stables, which Amber did in fact enjoy riding horses and the stables she frequented are located closer to San Diego where her father and grandmothers live and Amber did not apparently ride in Escondido at all.
People in question that would work for such stables come from south of our borders. They work as ranch hands.
Amber again.. Traveled from San Diego Area to a Train depot near Escondido.. She traveled alone but under the eye of Railroad personal.
While in San Diego visiting family, she would ride horses.

Yesterday ..After being contacted by a psychic, number 112 I think  ::MonkeyEek::,  Carrie took a ride to Slab City at the request of said psychic.
The psychic appears to believe the Amber may have been taken to this area or that the suspect in Amber's disappearance frequented this area..
The area has some fame and I found Web reference to it..
http://www.desertdutch.org/slabcity.htm

http://gathering.digihitch.com/slabs.php


Carrie spent some time interviewing these folks and I have to give Carrie a High Five for doing that..
I hope that Carrie will always take others with her when she investigates..
Carrie has looked into and checked out all kinds of dead end leads in this case in hope and prayer that one of them will be true.




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 02, 2010, 10:54:09 AM
Thank you Northern Rose for your perp info posted..
maybe that guy or the other guy you posted info on live in Slab City ?

Here is another interesting link to look at ..
http://www.vbs.tv/watch/americana/slab-city

also this..

Two video recordings made from cameras at the school show that Amber did not keep walking toward the campus.

I would like yo know the position of these video cameras and there viewing area..

It more and more looks like the approch made on Amber would be along Vista Ave.






Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 02, 2010, 12:50:31 PM
ChiChi

The family does read here and post occasionally.
The family is looking for a LIVE Amber and anything anyone can find that may suggest where she could be, is helpful to them.
It really is entirely possible that Amber is alive.

We deal in research that brings far more dead then live victims of crime and so it is common for us to look for perpetrators of such.

In cases like Amber's and others such as Lindsey it is possible and we should never give up hope and research for live persons who are being held and we do have various cases where live victims have been found even after long periods of time.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 02, 2010, 01:18:20 PM
Thank you Northern Rose for your perp info posted..
maybe that guy or the other guy you posted info on live in Slab City ?

Here is another interesting link to look at ..
http://www.vbs.tv/watch/americana/slab-city

also this..

Two video recordings made from cameras at the school show that Amber did not keep walking toward the campus.

I would like yo know the position of these video cameras and there viewing area..

It more and more looks like the approch made on Amber would be along Vista Ave.






Me too.  I also want to know if the tall boy that has not be identified is on any of the cameras as well.  Surely the school has looked at the images and if he was a student they would be able to identify him by now.  I really hope that a ping map of Amber's movements prior to her disappearance has been made.  It may shed some light on the tall boy.  Was Amber still carrying her bag in the videos or had tall boy offered to carry it ?  It would speak to her level of comfort with tall boy.  Have any of the valentine presents been found?

As for the red truck....pfttt.  I understand a parent wanting to watch their child if they feel they may be skipping school, hanging out with friends they were told not to etc.  However with the publicity of this case and the time sensitivity why would this person not have stepped forward immediately if it was that innocent?  Even if they did not watch news, listen to radio or see even one poster, when the side by sides of the Walmart truck was all over the place they    ::MonkeyNoNo::

Edward I left you at least one question in my ramblings last night.  When you have a minute could you please look at it.  I am very interested in your opinion.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: chi-monkey on January 02, 2010, 01:35:35 PM
Uh Oh.... My understanding about the school video cameras was that LE said they did not see Amber on any tape.  No Amber and no tall dark boy. 

Because of the possible sighting of Amber and the boy by another parent near the school the assumption is that she must have stopped or something because otherwise there would be tape of her coming into the camera areas nearer the school.

IMO, I too think that she probably disappeared between her home and Vista.  The school sighting being an honest error.   

Chi-M


 



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 02, 2010, 01:57:52 PM
Yes I agre ChiMonkey

Some very kind individuals made mistakes in identification of Amber walking..

She was grabbed on Vista without any witness to it.

She could have been approached by some person she was familiar with.. walked up to a vehicle because she trusted the person.


I like the " Pfft ' on the Red Truck  ::MonkeyHaHa::  IF, He is so well known at the school then would Amber know him ??
It would not be the first time a person well known by a school system got involved with a student..
That is not an accusation, just an observation.

Maybe it is his son that has seen to it that all students stay silent ?

 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 02, 2010, 02:15:38 PM
Yes I agre ChiMonkey

Some very kind individuals made mistakes in identification of Amber walking..

She was grabbed on Vista without any witness to it.

She could have been approached by some person she was familiar with.. walked up to a vehicle because she trusted the person.


I like the " Pfft ' on the Red Truck  ::MonkeyHaHa::  IF, He is so well known at the school then would Amber know him ??
It would not be the first time a person well known by a school system got involved with a student..
That is not an accusation, just an observation.

Maybe it is his son that has seen to it that all students stay silent ?

 

Well known at the school or well known in the community?  Last night was going through old news articles to read comments.  There was one that said the key is a guy who was involved with Proposition 8.  Maybe that person was correct?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 02, 2010, 02:46:28 PM
<snipped>
The truck appears to be a newer full size four-door crew cab pickup truck. It is burgundy or maroon in color and is equipped with chrome bed rails or tie down rails with chrome running boards and wheels, according to police.

Also, it appears from the video, the tailgate is either missing or has a modified black tailgate to accommodate a 5th wheel trailer, police said in a written release.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Red-Truck-Spotted-Near-Amber-Dubois-School.html

The most recent tip came from two neighbors who independently said they saw Amber at 7:10 a.m. walking on Broadway near the school's football stadium -- the last time anyone has reported seeing the girl. One of the neighbors said they saw her with the boy, according to Escondido police.

I have seen the bad reporting of media in other cases.  The one article that states Amber was on the School video walking away from the school could be just bad reporting.  So many articles state she was last seen about 200 yards from school. I take it this is based on the above witnesses.  Was it not raining that day?  Would she not walk with her head somewhat down so rain would not be in her face?  With the black hoodie on it would be really hard to see her face if that was the case.

Some of you think she was taking on Vista before she reached Broadway, the news states she was already on the west side of Broadway by the stadium.  There are cameras all four directions at the intersection of Vista and broadway.  Were these looked into?



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 02, 2010, 05:38:47 PM
Nice traffic cameras on those Light poles.. Were they there when Amber went missing ?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on January 02, 2010, 05:45:34 PM
Let me tell you what concerns me and I told Carrie this. In the beginning LE believed amber ran away so I wonder were all of the camera's searched?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 02, 2010, 05:46:41 PM
Yes I agre ChiMonkey

Some very kind individuals made mistakes in identification of Amber walking..

She was grabbed on Vista without any witness to it.

She could have been approached by some person she was familiar with.. walked up to a vehicle because she trusted the person.


I like the " Pfft ' on the Red Truck  ::MonkeyHaHa::  IF, He is so well known at the school then would Amber know him ??
It would not be the first time a person well known by a school system got involved with a student..
That is not an accusation, just an observation.

Maybe it is his son that has seen to it that all students stay silent ?

 


<snipped>

Lt. Bob Benton of the Escondido Police Department said they've identified every vehicle on every surveillance video from the time Amber went missing, except this mystery truck in the picture below.

The maroon or burgundy-colored pickup was driven through a bus maintenance yard at Escondido High School, where 14-year-old Amber Dubois attended, shortly after 7 a.m. Feb. 13, minutes before she went missing, according to police.

The truck parked in the maintenance yard for three minutes, no one got in or out of it, and then it drove away.

Benton said the truck has a distinctive feature, "What makes this truck unique is the chrome running boards on the bottom and the chrome rails at the top of the bed."

"Also, it appears from the video the tailgate is either missing or (modified) to accommodate a fifth-wheel trailer," the lieutenant said. "There is no further information such as license-plate or driver description."

No parents, construction workers or school employees remember ever seeing the truck before or after Amber's disappearance.

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Was-Missing-Escondido-Girl-Abducted-in-Red-Pickup/glZVEOPuJU6Tpv0R0QtFMw.cspx?rss=800



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 02, 2010, 05:48:18 PM
If Amber made it all the way past the church and was walking on the same side of the street. then she would be walking by these homes which are located across the street from the high school bus yard.





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 02, 2010, 05:56:48 PM
On the Red truck... LE would do this...
 They would establish where was this man and his truck were 30 minutes or 1 hour later.. after seeing his truck in the bus yard.
Like he clocked in at work would be a validation of his whereabouts 30 minutes to 1 hour later..
IF LE could do that he is cleared as a suspect..

IF LE could not verify him at any other place withing a reasonable time after seeing the vehicle in the video on that date and time then he should have been questioned further.
 
TracyGirl As far as him coming in right away after the red truck was identified...
How long after seeing it in the news did that happen ? A month ? 3 months ?
I do not know.
I am listening and trying hard to get the info correct.. I am only privy to what I read hear and my ability to interpret properly.
 



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 02, 2010, 06:11:19 PM
No parents, construction workers or school employees remember ever seeing the truck before or after Amber's disappearance.

What about the white car which came into the bus maintence yard drivway ??
Does that person remember the red truck ?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on January 02, 2010, 06:27:58 PM
On the Red truck... LE would do this...
 They would establish where was this man and his truck were 30 minutes or 1 hour later.. after seeing his truck in the bus yard.
Like he clocked in at work would be a validation of his whereabouts 30 minutes to 1 hour later..
IF LE could do that he is cleared as a suspect..

IF LE could not verify him at any other place withing a reasonable time after seeing the vehicle in the video on that date and time then he should have been questioned further.
 
TracyGirl As far as him coming in right away after the red truck was identified...
How long after seeing it in the news did that happen ? A month ? 3 months ?
I do not know.
I am listening and trying hard to get the info correct.. I am only privy to what I read hear and my ability to interpret properly.
 


I understand Edward completely, me too!
But if this truck was owned by a students father, then why had no one ever seen it before or after? This whole truck thing is making me  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on January 02, 2010, 07:12:57 PM
Some where on one of these post a question was asked "With her hoodie, was she mistaken for a boy"? This got me to thinking and it may be way out there, but what if she was picked but for a different purpose than rape or prostitution. She is light skinned, blue eye's and looks like she has enough meat on her bones to live through a pregnancy while being locked up. I'm trying to think outside the box, and it would fit the missing without a trace. The police have her listed as a runaway, so they will not be looking for her. Her family is looking for sex offender's and pimps. Who's checking baby adoptions? If she is being kept alive it is for a purpose.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 02, 2010, 09:34:55 PM
That would be under forced human sexual servitude.. Sex slavery for the purpose of birthing children who are sold for a profit.

Good Idea ArmChairAnalysist, I had not considered this..
Are there victims from other cases that have had this happen ?
Are there any news articles of this form of human slavery in the news ? 
I would think that this does in fact happen in Guatemala as I do remember some news about adoption agency receiving stolen children and selling them for a profit.
 
 
Welcome to Scared Monkeys


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: ChiChi on January 03, 2010, 01:40:46 AM
ChiChi

The family does read here and post occasionally.
The family is looking for a LIVE Amber and anything anyone can find that may suggest where she could be, is helpful to them.
It really is entirely possible that Amber is alive.

We deal in research that brings far more dead then live victims of crime and so it is common for us to look for perpetrators of such.

In cases like Amber's and others such as Lindsey it is possible and we should never give up hope and research for live persons who are being held and we do have various cases where live victims have been found even after long periods of time.


Thank you Edward.  Jaycee Lee Dugard is living proof that it happens.  When everyone believed she was no longer living... there she was all that time.  Interesting postings from you Edward.  I have often wondered about the use of psychics in cases like this... If one of my kids were missing, I would certainly give it a shot.  what does 112 mean? that they've used 112 psychics??  thanks for sharing all the info.... I think we're stirring up some fresh info maybe.... what do you think?  At least bringing it forward.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 03, 2010, 10:10:05 AM
ChiChi

The family does read here and post occasionally.
The family is looking for a LIVE Amber and anything anyone can find that may suggest where she could be, is helpful to them.
It really is entirely possible that Amber is alive.

We deal in research that brings far more dead then live victims of crime and so it is common for us to look for perpetrators of such.

In cases like Amber's and others such as Lindsey it is possible and we should never give up hope and research for live persons who are being held and we do have various cases where live victims have been found even after long periods of time.


Thank you Edward.  Jaycee Lee Dugard is living proof that it happens.  When everyone believed she was no longer living... there she was all that time.  Interesting postings from you Edward.  I have often wondered about the use of psychics in cases like this... If one of my kids were missing, I would certainly give it a shot.  what does 112 mean? that they've used 112 psychics??  thanks for sharing all the info.... I think we're stirring up some fresh info maybe.... what do you think?  At least bringing it forward.


VIENNA —  An official says a young Austrian woman kidnapped for 8 1/2 years tried to escape three times before she finally got away.

Natascha Kampusch was abducted in 1998 and held captive until she fled successfully at age 18, in August 2006. Her kidnapper, Wolfgang Priklopil, committed suicide within hours.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,581776,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a4:g4:r5:c0.000000:b0:z5

You are welcome ..It happens all over the world all the time and many of our unfound victims in cases we study and research can be such a victim.

We have NOTHING in this case and we are desperately in need of ANYTHING to determine Amber a victim of murder or Slavery.
Carrie says she can FEEL her daughter is alive.
I believe in Carrie more then a psychic..

I said 112 because I have lost count of how many psychics have sent Carrie looking for nothing.. So many of them are Wrong..
Each time that happens it takes the family UP and then once it turns out to be not true..DOWNNNN.
It disturbs me to see any family go through the ups and downs.
I wish these psychics would just go look for themselves and prove it to themselves before taking the family on a emotional roller coaster ride.
This is not a t.v. show.. It is a real life tragedy that Carrie "Mom" and her family are living each and every moment like so many other families in missing persons cases.
This forum and others were established to do Research in hopes of helping these families find answers.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 03, 2010, 10:18:39 AM
Carrie has one point on Psychics..
" It only take 1 to be correct and Amber will be home. "
She is willing to follow any lead to find Amber. At times Carrie puts herself in harms way in doing so in my opinion.

BUT
That is a mothers LOVE. ::MonkeyAngel::





Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: chi-monkey on January 03, 2010, 10:33:32 AM
The desperation of families makes them vulnerable to all types of fraudsters.  That is just wrong.   I wish "psychics"  could find missing children, but TV shows have misled the public about their abilities.  These are entertainment shows, not fact. 

They may or may not be well intentioned, but the are not successful in locating missing persons.   They may be good guessers, intuitive, intelligent, or deceptive,  but they siphon off energy and resources which could be better used. 
 
IMO  -    Chi-M

This article expresses it much better than I could.

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=nonsense_watch
   
Americans are as superstitious as ever.
Howard Fienberg | May 3, 2002 | web only

A new report from the National Science Foundation (NSF) found that while Americans claim to love science and technology, most don't understand it. Americans seem to blindly revere things "scientific" and also extend that reverence to pseudoscience and superstition, including belief in aliens, psychic powers, and haunted houses.

The Oxford English Dictionary defines superstition as the "unreasoning awe or fear of something unknown, mysterious or imaginary." So what draws us to such imaginary beliefs? Perhaps they give us a sense of control over things that are uncontrollable. Discovering exactly why things happen may be difficult if not impossible for a lay person, so the rationale provided by superstition offers a comfortable refuge from painful reality. Science is difficult and time-consuming while pseudoscience is quick and easy.

.........
There's no reputable evidence that psychics could offer anything of value to a police investigation. Indeed, any manpower dedicated to investigating "leads" supplied by psychics is almost certainly a waste of vital resources. Psychics not only muddle investigations, they can cause families and friends of the victims even more anguish. And yet we still bring them into the fold.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 03, 2010, 10:34:20 AM
Some where on one of these post a question was asked "With her hoodie, was she mistaken for a boy"? This got me to thinking and it may be way out there, but what if she was picked but for a different purpose than rape or prostitution. She is light skinned, blue eye's and looks like she has enough meat on her bones to live through a pregnancy while being locked up. I'm trying to think outside the box, and it would fit the missing without a trace. The police have her listed as a runaway, so they will not be looking for her. Her family is looking for sex offender's and pimps. Who's checking baby adoptions? If she is being kept alive it is for a purpose.


“The Adoption Center of Choice” of Orem Utah is the name of a company that owned/run by a James Webb of Temecula California, who is also an Allstate Insurance Agent. The Adoption Center of Choice was a for profit company until 2005, when it changed its predatory for profit status to the harmless non profit status. So suddenly in 2005 they were just nice people who wanted to help people Adopt babies.

Since its the same people, the same employee’s did they suddenly stop wanting to make money selling children? We don’t think so.

Some Confusing Facts … “A Heart of Gold Adoptions” also of Orem Utah which is now a legally expired company in fact it closed the same year the Adoption Center of Choice changed its status in the Utah Business Records 2005. It lists its Agent of Service as “All for Love Adoptions.” “All For Love Adoptions” opens right after “Adoption Center of Choice” starts being non profit in the fall of 2005.

All for Love has 1000 shares of common Stock, do you think the Stock was just switched over share for share from the common Stock of the old for Profit Adoption Center of Choice ? Inquiring Minds would like to know …
https://secure.utah.gov/bes/action/searchresults
Search: heart of gold
Search: All for Love

“All for Love Adoptions”
http://www.allforloveadoptions.com/files/FEE_agreement.pdf

The Parents Pay up front $500 to do an application then they must pay $8,300.00, then another $15,000 when they get the baby…
From All For Love’s Website “The base cost of adopting a baby through our agency is $23,800.00″ that means that it can cost more according to them. And $8,000 doesn’t guarantee a baby at all according to their agreement.

Remember “All for Love Adoptions” is the Registered Agent of “A Heart of Gold Adoptions” which share a 1-800-Number and Website with “The Adoption Center of Choice.” These can appear to be seperate companies on paper but are they? Its extremely unlikely that they are. In fact I suspect that there is more corruption than the sloppy paper trail indicates.

Why are the facts confusing? Because there are more entities to launder baby with!

Follow the Lenders, Advertiser’s and the Law Profession etc. etc. etc. The Genius Jenalee Ryan herself invented Advertising Fee’s as Money Laundering for Adoption.
$23,000 is I bet a small way of testing who can afford to pay much much more I’m afraid. According to people I’ve talked to in Texas bidding can go much much higher between $90,000 and a Quarter Million or more in rare cases … According to http://w3.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/039/RipOff0039846.htm which talks about “A Heart of Gold Adoptions” an Agency directly tied to “All for Love” and James Webb. There is Open Bidding offered to Adoptive Parents and in the RipoffReport the parents never got a child despite paying a huge fee …
So the only people who are benifiting are the baby brokers not the adoptive parents or biological / birth parents … Go figure ?   And what about the children ?  More on that later – (I’ve got some nasty stats that show that adopted children are not better off!)

http://www.babyselling.com/bryn/

We need more research on this subject in its own thread in my opinion.. You could be onto something..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: chi-monkey on January 03, 2010, 10:52:27 AM
The desperation of families makes them vulnerable to all types of fraudsters.  That is just wrong.   I wish "psychics"  could find missing children, but TV shows have misled the public about their abilities.  These are entertainment shows, not fact. 

They may or may not be well intentioned, but the are not successful in locating missing persons.   They may be good guessers, intuitive, intelligent, or deceptive,  but they siphon off energy and resources which could be better used. 
 
IMO  -    Chi-M

This article expresses it much better than I could.

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=nonsense_watch
   
Americans are as superstitious as ever.
Howard Fienberg | May 3, 2002 | web only

A new report from the National Science Foundation (NSF) found that while Americans claim to love science and technology, most don't understand it. Americans seem to blindly revere things "scientific" and also extend that reverence to pseudoscience and superstition, including belief in aliens, psychic powers, and haunted houses.

The Oxford English Dictionary defines superstition as the "unreasoning awe or fear of something unknown, mysterious or imaginary." So what draws us to such imaginary beliefs? Perhaps they give us a sense of control over things that are uncontrollable. Discovering exactly why things happen may be difficult if not impossible for a lay person, so the rationale provided by superstition offers a comfortable refuge from painful reality. Science is difficult and time-consuming while pseudoscience is quick and easy.

.........
There's no reputable evidence that psychics could offer anything of value to a police investigation. Indeed, any manpower dedicated to investigating "leads" supplied by psychics is almost certainly a waste of vital resources. Psychics not only muddle investigations, they can cause families and friends of the victims even more anguish. And yet we still bring them into the fold.



Edward, I did not see your post on psychics before mine.  Sorry. 

I too admire Carrie for all her determination and effort to locate Amber.  She is a wonder and example to all families of the missing.   Her efforts are remarkable, but probably do put her in danger too often.    I too wish the psychics and others like them would find Amber themselves and not endanger others.

Chi-M


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 03, 2010, 11:32:52 AM
I think your post on Psychics and mine went together very well..  ::MonkeyCool::




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: chi-monkey on January 03, 2010, 01:09:07 PM
Here's a story I have never seen where a father went to Kentucky to kidnap a 14 yr. old girl to marry his son.     

http://www.wday.com/event/article/id/25124/

FARGO, N.D. (AP) - Fargo officials say the case of a man accused of trying to kidnap a 14-year-old Kentucky bride-to-be for his teenage son is unusual. But they have had to deal with an immigrant custom of marrying daughters and sons very young. They say it comes from the culture of Roma immigrants from Bosnia and other Balkan countries.
...

Two men face Friday court hearings in Bowling Green on attempted kidnapping charges. They're accused of trying to pick up a 14-year-old girl from her school and bring her back to North Dakota. One of the men allegedly wanted her to marry his son, whom she had met on the Internet.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2010, 02:08:05 PM
For Immediate Release
 Alleged Sexual Predator Frederick McLean Still Running From Justice
U.S. Marshals ask for the Public's Help in the Manhunt for 15 Most Wanted Fugitive

WASHINGTON – Nearly five years after charges were first filed on Frederick McLean, he is still running from the law. McLean, an alleged sexual predator, is wanted in California on four counts of child molestation, one count of lewd and lascivious acts with a child under 14 and one count of unlawful flight to avoid prosecution.


Authorities need the public’s help in getting McLean off the streets and away from potential victims. Law enforcement officials say they have already identified potentially 17 victims and additional charges could be filed against McLean once he is in custody.

The U.S. Marshals believe his crimes are heinous enough to have earned him a spot on the Marshals’ 15 Most Wanted fugitive list in 2006. Authorities regard McLean as a high risk for committing additional sex crimes against minors. Research on sex offender recidivism shows it is a variety of factors that contribute to reoffending.

“McLean possesses many of the factors correlated with reoffense,” said Dr. Michael Bourke, Chief psychologist for the U.S. Marshals Sex Offender Investigations Branch, “and stress, including the stress that comes with being a fugitive, increases the risk for abusive acting out.”

Fugitive McLean, 58, is wanted by the San Diego Sheriff’s Department on multiple counts of sexual assault on a child, but according to the U.S. Marshals “multiple counts” is an understatement. One alleged victim, now an adult, reported McLean assaulted her more than 100 times, starting when she was five and ending about seven years later.

McLean is deemed to be at high risk for engaging in sexual assault of young girls, according to Bourke. However, he might also target young boys.

“This fugitive has evaded capture for nearly five years, but he needs to know that we will never cease our efforts of hunting him down,” said George W. Venables, U.S. Marshal for the Southern District of California. “We are absolutely resolute in our commitment to bringing in Frederick McLean to face the charges brought against him.”

Several months ago, the Pacific Southwest Regional Fugitive Task Force executed a search warrant and obtained new leads and updated photos on Frederick McLean.

Authorities believe McLean gained access to many of his victims through his leadership position in his local congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses near San Diego.

An arrest warrant was issued in January 2005, for McLean, but authorities believe he sensed his days of freedom were numbered almost six months prior. In May 2004, family members confronted McLean regarding a young female victim’s allegations of molestation. McLean admitted they were true, and the victim’s family called Riverside County Sheriff’s Department. After the confrontation, McLean’s wife and children left him. He began liquidating financial assets, and he signed divorce papers.

In September 2004, McLean’s father-in-law woke up one morning to find McLean’s truck in his driveway. Inside the truck were McLean’s cell phone, letters for the family and instructions on how to sell the vehicle. It was evident from his actions that he believed criminal charges against him were looming.

McLean is a 58-year-old white male who weighs 170 pounds and is 5 feet, 11 inches tall. He has hazel eyes and brown/gray hair – possibly all gray hair. He is an auto mechanic by trade and once owned a racecar restoration business, specializing in racing cars from the 1960s and 1970s. McLean is also an experienced outdoorsman and may frequent camping areas. McLean’s character traits include: being financially frugal, meticulous, organized, and probably pays by cash. Investigators believe McLean may have assumed a new identity and could be using an alias name.

Authorities caution citizens to consider McLean armed and dangerous, and possibly suicidal.

There is a $25,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of McLean, and all inquiries remain confidential. Anyone with information is encouraged to contact their nearest U.S. Marshals Service office, or call the Marshals’ 24-hour phone line at 1-800-336-0102.

U.S. Marshals are the nation’s primary fugitive hunting organization. Fugitive Task Forces led by the U.S. Marshals capture thousands of fugitives each year. For more information on the U.S. Marshals and 15 Most Wanted Fugitive Frederick McLean, go to www.usmarshals.gov.

     Wanted Poster for Frederick McLean http://www.usmarshals.gov/news/chron/2009/mclean.pdf


http://www.usmarshals.gov/news/chron/2009/122909.htm



I am bumping this as there is no way that a SO could overcome his sick need to assault children just because he is on the run.  This guy is into old cars, there is a house across from the stadium that has an old mustang as well as another old car on the property.  Could be a coincidence but needs to be brought forward. 



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 03, 2010, 02:15:46 PM
http://www.usmarshals.gov/news/chron/2009/mclean.pdf

I hope Carrie comes by the web site and looks at this ass. Maybe she would recognise him..

Is that home near the high school ?

Did amber like old cars or race cars ? Did any of the other kids at the high school ?




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2010, 02:25:50 PM
http://www.usmarshals.gov/news/chron/2009/mclean.pdf

I hope Carrie comes by the web site and looks at this ass. Maybe she would recognise him..

Is that home near the high school ?

Did amber like old cars or race cars ? Did any of the other kids at the high school ?




It is directly across from the football field on the corner.  The map address on the previous image is NOT correct. Google maps is not the most accurate at their addresses. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on January 03, 2010, 02:42:04 PM
This will give some information on adoption in California.

http://www.childsworld.ca.gov/res/pdf/Docaa.pdf

I was trying to find it, there is a big private adoption agency in Orange county somewhere, I found it when researching Melissa Huckaby/tim huchaby in the Sandra Cantu case.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 03, 2010, 03:13:50 PM
TracyGirl
I started a new thread called "child selling" in "crimes against children,elderly and disabled"

Apparently there is a huge group of people that do in fact sell children to adoption agencies.

So ..On that thought is it possible that they could kidnap a 14 year old and force that person to give birth 1, 2 or more times and then they kill the girl to destroy any possible backlash ??

When a child is born is there DNA taken and logged in a data base from the newborn ?
and a victim of kidnap, they too could have DNA samples logged into a data base ?
 Then when a couple decides to adopt could that newborn child's DNA be compared to all others DNA including missing/kidnap girls DNA to see if there is a match ?




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2010, 03:19:25 PM
TracyGirl
I started a new thread called "child selling" in "crimes against children,elderly and disabled"

Apparently there is a huge group of people that do in fact sell children to adoption agencies.

So ..On that thought is it possible that they could kidnap a 14 year old and force that person to give birth 1, 2 or more times and then they kill the girl to destroy any possible backlash ??

When a child is born is there DNA taken and logged in a data base from the newborn ?
and a victim of kidnap, they too could have DNA samples logged into a data base ?
 Then when a couple decides to adopt could that newborn child's DNA be compared to all others DNA including missing/kidnap girls DNA to see if there is a match ?




DNA would only be taken if the birth were in a hospital.  If someone were to kidnap a young woman for the sole purpose of producing children I do not think they would take the chance of being outed by taking the young woman to a hospital to give birth.  Look at Jaycee Dugard who bore two children in the tarped back yard. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2010, 03:21:26 PM
Edward you have knowledge of human trafficking to Mexico.  This article caught my attention in regards to the suspect in the attempted abduction of a 15 year old girl.  He tried to flee to El Paso.  Do you think if there was a child taken into Mexico that they may bring them back to the US if the heat is on?

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/world/story/973088.html

Bumping this for Edward to see.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 03, 2010, 03:28:08 PM
Well that is scary.. So there is a HOLE in the system and it creates a tunnel which Evil people can market new born children through ??

DNA data bases need to be created for ALL people so that comparisons can be done especially when Adoptions are being arranged.. especially when money is involved.

MONEY, Greed, Envy are the roots to all Evils.

Maybe when that Austrian father who held his own daughter in a dungeon for years.. She said 2 of her children died, that HE murdered them.
Maybe that crazy ass sold those children for big money ??

It really makes you wonder.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2010, 03:38:07 PM
Well that is scary.. So there is a HOLE in the system and it creates a tunnel which Evil people can market new born children through ??

DNA data bases need to be created for ALL people so that comparisons can be done especially when Adoptions are being arranged.. especially when money is involved.

MONEY, Greed, Envy are the roots to all Evils.

Maybe when that Austrian father who held his own daughter in a dungeon for years.. She said 2 of her children died, that HE murdered them.
Maybe that crazy ass sold those children for big money ??

It really makes you wonder.



Pretty much.  My oldest is 25. When he was born they took blood and you knew your child's blood type before you left the hospital.  My youngest is 10, when I asked what his blood type was after he was born they told me they did not do it anymore.  Things have changed drastically.  With the ability to do home births now as well I am sure there are a lot of kids born that don't even get registered till months later.  No way to force them.  It would be so simple to pass on a baby and the new parents register the birth as home birth and who would know the difference? 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2010, 04:14:54 PM
Can anyone find if this guy is still in jail somewhere? 

Escondido Man Sentenced for Murder, Sexual Assault

Superior Court Judge William Kennedy sent [Ronald Elliot Porter] to prison for 15 years to life for murdering [Sandra Cwik]. He also sentenced him to eight years in prison for sexually assaulting the +++++++ woman. Another five years were added because Porter has previously been convicted of a serious felony.

Deputy Dist. Atty. [Jeff Dusek] said after the sentencing that Porter is being investigated for 10 to 15 additional killings and assaults.

During the sentencing hearing, Dusek outlined Porter's criminal history, which includes a plea- bargain conviction in 1970 to a misdemeanor charge of child molestation.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/access/61669083.html?dids=61669083:61669083&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Oct+27%2C+1992&author=THOM+MROZEK&pub=Los+Angeles+Times+(pre-1997+Fulltext)&desc=Escondido+Man+Sentenced+for+Murder%2C+Sexual+Assault&pqatl=google


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2010, 04:24:19 PM
This is one sick man.  I really hope he is still in jail.

[Ronald Elliot Porter], a former Escondido auto mechanic, was formally charged Monday in the rape and murder of Cwik, 43, a transient from Florida whose body, like [Annette Russell]'s, was dumped in the remote East County area of Buckman Springs. Law enforcement authorities concluded that she was assaulted and beaten about a mile from where she was dumped and died of blood loss while trying to reach help after walking barefoot down a rugged road.

Porter entered state prison in April, 1989, and was released 20 months later, still classified as a dangerous felon. While in prison, Porter was interviewed by task force investigators about some of the serial killings.

Porter's attorney, Terry Kolkey, did not return a telephone call to his office Monday. Family members have said that Porter is being made a scapegoat for the crimes of others.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/access/61488650.html?dids=61488650:61488650&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Sep+17%2C+1991&author=MARK+PLATTE&pub=Los+Angeles+Times+(pre-1997+Fulltext)&desc=Con+Accused+in+Killings+of+2+Women+Crime%3A+Ronald+Porter+of+Escondido+is+charged+on+eve+of+release+from+state+prison.+Slayings+are+part+of+a+series+of+45+being+probed+by+a+task+force.&pqatl=google


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 03, 2010, 04:28:47 PM
Edward you have knowledge of human trafficking to Mexico.  This article caught my attention in regards to the suspect in the attempted abduction of a 15 year old girl.  He tried to flee to El Paso.  Do you think if there was a child taken into Mexico that they may bring them back to the US if the heat is on?

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/world/story/973088.html

Bumping this for Edward to see.

I have a great deal of knowledge on this subject..

THEY travel back and forth .. But if THEY want to hide a child they do that best in deep Mexico far from the borders..
THEY being organized gangs usually abduct for ransom.. The selling of children is not in the news or any arrest I have recorded over many years.. I doubt they would take a child to Mexico and then bring it back into the United States but anything is possible I suppose.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on January 03, 2010, 04:28:57 PM
TracyGirl
I started a new thread called "child selling" in "crimes against children,elderly and disabled"

Apparently there is a huge group of people that do in fact sell children to adoption agencies.

So ..On that thought is it possible that they could kidnap a 14 year old and force that person to give birth 1, 2 or more times and then they kill the girl to destroy any possible backlash ??

When a child is born is there DNA taken and logged in a data base from the newborn ?
and a victim of kidnap, they too could have DNA samples logged into a data base ?
 Then when a couple decides to adopt could that newborn child's DNA be compared to all others DNA including missing/kidnap girls DNA to see if there is a match ?




Edward I think there is no end to criminal behavior where big money is concerned. Do I think every adoption agency is bad? No, they can help people become what they most want to be, parents. It cuts years off the red tape our system puts these prospective parents through. It also can help a birth mother have more control in deciding who gets to have her baby. The agency will also help the mom get medical help, something that doesn't always happen. So, these agencies in my opinion are not all bad. However when you have a person who is a criminal, holds no regard for human life and greed is their motivator,  they will find a way to turn this into a baby making, money making adventure.

Edit:  Fix typo.  MB


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on January 03, 2010, 04:32:49 PM
oops in my above post, grad should read greed

Fixed typo.  MB


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on January 03, 2010, 04:35:08 PM
Edward you have knowledge of human trafficking to Mexico.  This article caught my attention in regards to the suspect in the attempted abduction of a 15 year old girl.  He tried to flee to El Paso.  Do you think if there was a child taken into Mexico that they may bring them back to the US if the heat is on?

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/world/story/973088.html

Bumping this for Edward to see.

I have a great deal of knowledge on this subject..

THEY travel back and forth .. But if THEY want to hide a child they do that best in deep Mexico far from the borders..
THEY being organized gangs usually abduct for ransom.. The selling of children is not in the news or any arrest I have recorded over many years.. I doubt they would take a child to Mexico and then bring it back into the United States but anything is possible I suppose.

Baby selling via mexico to the US is a business in itself.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on January 03, 2010, 04:35:48 PM
I'm so new to these threads that I'm not quite sure how they work. Whoever said that about a DNA data base for Missing girls and an adoption DNA data base, is right, it should be made into a law. I wonder how many adoptive parents would be willing to list their childs DNA? I wonder what kind of screening process there is for selling your baby? Where does one start the search?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2010, 04:35:49 PM
Edward you have knowledge of human trafficking to Mexico.  This article caught my attention in regards to the suspect in the attempted abduction of a 15 year old girl.  He tried to flee to El Paso.  Do you think if there was a child taken into Mexico that they may bring them back to the US if the heat is on?

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/world/story/973088.html

Bumping this for Edward to see.

I have a great deal of knowledge on this subject..

THEY travel back and forth .. But if THEY want to hide a child they do that best in deep Mexico far from the borders..
THEY being organized gangs usually abduct for ransom.. The selling of children is not in the news or any arrest I have recorded over many years.. I doubt they would take a child to Mexico and then bring it back into the United States but anything is possible I suppose.

Thank you.  So in your opinion with the gangs taking some hits in Mexico due to police recently killing one of the leaders and another one this morning, would the gangs abandon the children while they fight out for their turf or put them in deeper hiding?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on January 03, 2010, 04:36:38 PM
This is one sick man.  I really hope he is still in jail.

[Ronald Elliot Porter], a former Escondido auto mechanic, was formally charged Monday in the rape and murder of Cwik, 43, a transient from Florida whose body, like [Annette Russell]'s, was dumped in the remote East County area of Buckman Springs. Law enforcement authorities concluded that she was assaulted and beaten about a mile from where she was dumped and died of blood loss while trying to reach help after walking barefoot down a rugged road.

Porter entered state prison in April, 1989, and was released 20 months later, still classified as a dangerous felon. While in prison, Porter was interviewed by task force investigators about some of the serial killings.

Porter's attorney, Terry Kolkey, did not return a telephone call to his office Monday. Family members have said that Porter is being made a scapegoat for the crimes of others.

awful man, just awful. Why did he get out in just 20 months?

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/access/61488650.html?dids=61488650:61488650&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Sep+17%2C+1991&author=MARK+PLATTE&pub=Los+Angeles+Times+(pre-1997+Fulltext)&desc=Con+Accused+in+Killings+of+2+Women+Crime%3A+Ronald+Porter+of+Escondido+is+charged+on+eve+of+release+from+state+prison.+Slayings+are+part+of+a+series+of+45+being+probed+by+a+task+force.&pqatl=google


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2010, 04:37:43 PM
 ::MonkeyDance::   WELCOME ArmChairAnalysist    ::MonkeyDance::


 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2010, 04:40:15 PM
Escondido ex-teacher pleads guilty to sex charges

Wednesday, July 2, 2008

A former high school teacher and coach has pleaded guilty to having unlawful sex with two underage students in San Diego County.

Deputy District Attorney Fanny Yu said 32-year-old Randy Nack, who taught art at Escondido High School and used to coach swimming and water polo, pleaded guilty Tuesday to four felony sex charges.

Nack faces a maximum sentence of five years in prison at his sentencing hearing in Vista Superior Court on Aug. 27.

Escondido police Lt. Bob Benton said his department began to investigate Nack in January, when allegations of his relationship with a 17-year-old girl surfaced.

Nack surrendered to police in February and resigned his position. He later was charged with having a relationship with the second girl and remains free on $200,000 bail.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/07/02/state/n003250D74.DTL



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on January 03, 2010, 04:40:53 PM
I'm so new to these threads that I'm not quite sure how they work. Whoever said that about a DNA data base for Missing girls and an adoption DNA data base, is right, it should be made into a law. I wonder how many adoptive parents would be willing to list their childs DNA? I wonder what kind of screening process there is for selling your baby? Where does one start the search?

I believe there is an effort to have the father release his right to the child. What is difficult is most of the adoptions are closed, meaning you cannot find out too much about them. Maybe JessStar can give light on this? I am not sure if he/she reads this thread. I will leave a message on the neveah thread.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on January 03, 2010, 04:43:26 PM
Escondido ex-teacher pleads guilty to sex charges

Wednesday, July 2, 2008

A former high school teacher and coach has pleaded guilty to having unlawful sex with two underage students in San Diego County.

Deputy District Attorney Fanny Yu said 32-year-old Randy Nack, who taught art at Escondido High School and used to coach swimming and water polo, pleaded guilty Tuesday to four felony sex charges.

Nack faces a maximum sentence of five years in prison at his sentencing hearing in Vista Superior Court on Aug. 27.

Escondido police Lt. Bob Benton said his department began to investigate Nack in January, when allegations of his relationship with a 17-year-old girl surfaced.

Nack surrendered to police in February and resigned his position. He later was charged with having a relationship with the second girl and remains free on $200,000 bail.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/07/02/state/n003250D74.DTL



I would hope he was in jail during the time Amber went missing, but he could have gotten a slap on the hand, you know maybe he was sorry


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2010, 04:47:05 PM
Escondido ex-teacher pleads guilty to sex charges

Wednesday, July 2, 2008

A former high school teacher and coach has pleaded guilty to having unlawful sex with two underage students in San Diego County.

Deputy District Attorney Fanny Yu said 32-year-old Randy Nack, who taught art at Escondido High School and used to coach swimming and water polo, pleaded guilty Tuesday to four felony sex charges.

Nack faces a maximum sentence of five years in prison at his sentencing hearing in Vista Superior Court on Aug. 27.

Escondido police Lt. Bob Benton said his department began to investigate Nack in January, when allegations of his relationship with a 17-year-old girl surfaced.

Nack surrendered to police in February and resigned his position. He later was charged with having a relationship with the second girl and remains free on $200,000 bail.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/07/02/state/n003250D74.DTL



I would hope he was in jail during the time Amber went missing, but he could have gotten a slap on the hand, you know maybe he was sorry

He may not even have been on trial yet with the courts being as backlogged as they are.  I am throwing these out there in the hopes that others who have access to Cali records (which are not readily available on the net as other states) can do some digging on these guys to see if they are in jail. still wandering the streets, or already released from jail.  History should not be discounted and former actions speak volumes.   


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 03, 2010, 04:51:24 PM
Edward you have knowledge of human trafficking to Mexico.  This article caught my attention in regards to the suspect in the attempted abduction of a 15 year old girl.  He tried to flee to El Paso.  Do you think if there was a child taken into Mexico that they may bring them back to the US if the heat is on?

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/world/story/973088.html

Bumping this for Edward to see.

I have a great deal of knowledge on this subject..

THEY travel back and forth .. But if THEY want to hide a child they do that best in deep Mexico far from the borders..
THEY being organized gangs usually abduct for ransom.. The selling of children is not in the news or any arrest I have recorded over many years.. I doubt they would take a child to Mexico and then bring it back into the United States but anything is possible I suppose.

Thank you.  So in your opinion with the gangs taking some hits in Mexico due to police recently killing one of the leaders and another one this morning, would the gangs abandon the children while they fight out for their turf or put them in deeper hiding?

After almost 10 years of sociological study on this subject with 6 years of driving all over Mexico from every entry point on our borders all the way to Guatamala I would say that anyone who is witness to there activities will be murdered and dumped in the desert.
Simple as that.
THEY could care less if they kill man woman or child.

Some of my research is posted here..

http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=1787&highlight=south+border+comment

and here
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8485.0

and here..
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7483.0

My research takes me from Mexico to Argentina and I have studied the major drug groups and there motivations as well as who taught them.
I am always learning..

I recorded over 2500 murders in Mexico last year alone.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2010, 04:52:06 PM
Here is another one that is probably out of jail unless he reoffended.

The Modesto Bee - 25 May 1998

http://news.google.ca/newspapers?id=4icuAAAAIBAJ&sjid=SdQFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2468,4145131&dq=escondido+assault&hl=en


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2010, 04:55:04 PM
Edward you have knowledge of human trafficking to Mexico.  This article caught my attention in regards to the suspect in the attempted abduction of a 15 year old girl.  He tried to flee to El Paso.  Do you think if there was a child taken into Mexico that they may bring them back to the US if the heat is on?

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/world/story/973088.html

Bumping this for Edward to see.

I have a great deal of knowledge on this subject..

THEY travel back and forth .. But if THEY want to hide a child they do that best in deep Mexico far from the borders..
THEY being organized gangs usually abduct for ransom.. The selling of children is not in the news or any arrest I have recorded over many years.. I doubt they would take a child to Mexico and then bring it back into the United States but anything is possible I suppose.

Thank you.  So in your opinion with the gangs taking some hits in Mexico due to police recently killing one of the leaders and another one this morning, would the gangs abandon the children while they fight out for their turf or put them in deeper hiding?

After almost 10 years of sociological study on this subject with 6 years of driving all over Mexico from every entry point on our borders all the way to Guatamala I would say that anyone who is witness to there activities will be murdered and dumped in the desert.
Simple as that.
THEY could care less if they kill man woman or child.

Some of my research is posted here..

http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=1787&highlight=south+border+comment

and here
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8485.0

and here..
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7483.0

My research takes me from Mexico to Argentina and I have studied the major drug groups and there motivations as well as who taught them.
I am always learning..

I recorded over 2500 murders in Mexico last year alone.

Thank you for what you do  ::MonkeyAngel::

It would be fair to say they do not play nice with others.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 03, 2010, 04:56:32 PM
Escondido ex-teacher pleads guilty to sex charges

Wednesday, July 2, 2008

A former high school teacher and coach has pleaded guilty to having unlawful sex with two underage students in San Diego County.

Deputy District Attorney Fanny Yu said 32-year-old Randy Nack, who taught art at Escondido High School and used to coach swimming and water polo, pleaded guilty Tuesday to four felony sex charges.

Nack faces a maximum sentence of five years in prison at his sentencing hearing in Vista Superior Court on Aug. 27.

Escondido police Lt. Bob Benton said his department began to investigate Nack in January, when allegations of his relationship with a 17-year-old girl surfaced.

Nack surrendered to police in February and resigned his position. He later was charged with having a relationship with the second girl and remains free on $200,000 bail.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/07/02/state/n003250D74.DTL



and LE discounts the Red Truck ?
He must have a rock solid Alibi


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2010, 04:59:57 PM
Dance teacher arrested on suspicion of sexually assaulting student in San Marcos

July 19, 2006

SAN MARCOS -- The teacher of a San Marcos dance class was arrested Tuesday on suspicion of sexually assaulting a 15-year-old student, authorities said.

The female student alleged that Juan Guillermo Lopez, 36, of Escondido, assaulted her at Woodland Parkway and Mission Road as he drove her home from an activity June 20, San Marcos sheriff's Sgt. Tom Bulow said.

Lopez is being held on $1 million bail at the Vista Jail on suspicion of a single count of lewd and lascivious acts with a child 14-15 years of age. It is unknown whether there are other possible victims.

Lopez is the director and dance instructor for Mexican dance company Ballet Folklorio, which holds classes at the San Marcos Community Center. The classes include children and adults.

According to Community Center director Bill Schramm, Lopez is an independent contractor who has worked out of the center for about six years.

Lopez is not a city employee, Schramm said.

An investigation is ongoing.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/article_89058a29-15e1-5cc7-80c8-22e88d55ecf4.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on January 03, 2010, 05:05:28 PM
I ran the name randy/randall nack through the FBI SO registry and got no hits. He plead guilty, wouldn't he be on there? Maybe he is in jail? I will look now... Nothing in http://apps.sdsheriff.net/wij/wij.aspx I would assume he would be jailed in this jail considering the crime was in Escondido, san diego county?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on January 03, 2010, 05:06:55 PM
Escondido ex-teacher pleads guilty to sex charges

Wednesday, July 2, 2008

A former high school teacher and coach has pleaded guilty to having unlawful sex with two underage students in San Diego County.

Deputy District Attorney Fanny Yu said 32-year-old Randy Nack, who taught art at Escondido High School and used to coach swimming and water polo, pleaded guilty Tuesday to four felony sex charges.

Nack faces a maximum sentence of five years in prison at his sentencing hearing in Vista Superior Court on Aug. 27.

Escondido police Lt. Bob Benton said his department began to investigate Nack in January, when allegations of his relationship with a 17-year-old girl surfaced.

Nack surrendered to police in February and resigned his position. He later was charged with having a relationship with the second girl and remains free on $200,000 bail.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/07/02/state/n003250D74.DTL



and LE discounts the Red Truck ?
He must have a rock solid Alibi

wow edward do you know what you are saying? Did you mean to say this is the same guy as the red truck driver?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 03, 2010, 05:08:20 PM
Mexican males have a real problem with a desire for YOUNG girls.. Most of our news reports "not all" show this to be a true fact.
The crime rate of Attacks on American girls by Illegals from south of the border is extreme high.
It is "Machismo"

The Obama U.S. government is trying to make a move to release all convicted back to there own nations from our prison population and there own government can do what ever they want with them..
They will be released, to run our borders again and attack children and adults if that does happen.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2010, 05:09:19 PM
I ran the name randy/randall nack through the FBI SO registry and got no hits. He plead guilty, wouldn't he be on there? Maybe he is in jail? I will look now... Nothing in http://apps.sdsheriff.net/wij/wij.aspx I would assume he would be jailed in this jail considering the crime was in Escondido, san diego county?

How can he not be on the SO registry?  This is really strange.  He should at least be there even if he in incarcerated?   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2010, 05:15:35 PM
Please look at this one.

- Mexican national deported 10+ times already
-Connected with prior sexual attacks of young girls in Miramar and Poway.  Poway was the place that there was an attempted abduction/assault of a girl resembling Amber on Feb 2
- Immigration deported him before he was arraigned  ::MonkeyMad::

I bet that he has been back in the US several times if not there now based on his history of crossing the border.  Way to go to the woman who bit him so hard two of her teeth were left in his hand ! 

Man Accused In Sex Assaults Arrested
Carlos Ceron Salazar To Be Arraigned Wednesday 
December 30, 2008

SAN DIEGO -- A Mexican national who has been deported 10 or more times was in custody Tuesday in connection with sex assaults that occurred in Miramar and Poway several years ago, authorities reported.

Carlos Ceron Salazar, 30, was jailed last week following his arrest on a seemingly routine public drunkenness charge in Escondido, according to police.

The most recent sex crime attributed to Salazar involves a female jogger attacked at Miramar Lake around noon on Dec. 8, 2006. The victim told investigators that her assailant grabbed her and forced her to the ground, but let go when she fought back. 
 
"She bit him so hard that when he pulled his hand away, two of her teeth were ripped from her mouth," San Diego police spokeswoman Monica Munoz said. "The victim was able to get away and call for help."

Detectives got a sample of the attacker's DNA via the victim. Though a computer database check revealed no match, witness statements led authorities to eventually identify Salazar as the suspect in the case, according to Munoz.

By then, however, immigration officials had deported Salazar. Police investigators asked border authorities to notify them if he again tried to enter the country illegally.

Last week, police in Escondido arrested Salazar on suspicion of public inebriation. When they took a DNA sample and ran it against computer records, it matched that of the assailant in the 2-year-old assault in northern San Diego, Munoz said.

Salazar's genetic profile also allegedly was consistent with that of the perpetrator of a September 2004 sex assault in Poway, she said.

Based on evidence in the two cases, detectives believe the suspect may be responsible for more crimes of a similar nature, she said.

Salazar has been deported at least 10 times, according to Lauren Mack, a public information officer for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Salazar was scheduled to be arraigned in downtown San Diego on Wednesday.

http://www.10news.com/news/18385031/detail.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on January 03, 2010, 06:37:13 PM
Found that Juan Lopez guy, looks like he is sitting at home in Vista which is not that far

http://www.nsopw.gov/Core/ResultDetails.aspx?index=74&x=8AD2A333-4A11-4293-972A-24F4BD48D75B

Offenses Scars/Marks/Tattoos Known Aliases
Last Known Address: 2151 S. SANTA FE # 3
VISTA, 92083
County: SAN DIEGO
Zip Code 92083
Date of Birth: 06-25-1970
Sex: MALE
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 188
Eye Color: BROWN
Hair Color: BROWN
Ethnicity: HISPANIC

Offense Code
Description
f288(c)(1) LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACTS WITH CHILD 14 OR 15 YEARS OLD
None
 
LOPEZ, JUAN
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on January 03, 2010, 06:52:01 PM
This one is in jail enjoying free medical/denta/vision 3 meals per day at the california Hilton!

Last Name: SALAZAR  First Name: CARLOS  Middle Name: CERON 
 
INCARCERATED

 
 Description Offenses Scars/Marks/Tattoos Known Aliases
Last Known Address:
 
County: 
Zip Code 
Date of Birth: 10-15-1978
Sex: MALE
Height: 5'9"
Weight: 160
Eye Color: BROWN
Hair Color: BLACK
Ethnicity: HISPANIC

Offense Code
Description
f220(a) ASSAULT W/INTENT TO COMMIT RAPE, SODOMY, OR ORAL COPULATION
f289(a)(1) SEXUAL PENETRATION WITH FOREIGN OBJECT WITH FORCE
None
 
None
 
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on January 03, 2010, 06:59:04 PM
I ran the name randy/randall nack through the FBI SO registry and got no hits. He plead guilty, wouldn't he be on there? Maybe he is in jail? I will look now... Nothing in http://apps.sdsheriff.net/wij/wij.aspx I would assume he would be jailed in this jail considering the crime was in Escondido, san diego county?

How can he not be on the SO registry?  This is really strange.  He should at least be there even if he in incarcerated?   ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.nsopw.gov/Core/OffenderSearchResults.aspx

I ran Nack, R and this is what I got. Unless he has a different last name then what is listed he is not in the system.

Search Results:
4 hits from a national search including all states, territories and Indian Country for First Name like R, Last Name like nack. To view a list of the jurisdictions included in this search, click here.
Name    Location   
MC-NACK, RALPH JR
 Locations:
PRIMARY:
N/A
HOUSTON, TX   77066
HARRIS
 
NASH, ROBERT J
 Locations:
PRIMARY:
N/A
CHARLESTON, SC   29412
CHARLESTON
 
NIX, RICHARD
 Locations:
PRIMARY:
N/A
WAGENER, SC   29164
AIKEN
 
NIX, RONALD STEVEN
 
Found this article, he was sentanced to one year in jail.
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Art-Teacher-and-Swim-Coach-Sentenced-for-Sex-with/ZRli2Wr8jkGfJoZcOUC8UA.cspx

Art Teacher and Swim Coach Sentenced for Sex with Teens

Last Update: 10/15/2008 5:45 pm 

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Randy Nack VISTA - An art teacher and former swim and water polo coach at Escondido High School was sentenced Wednesday to a year in jail and placed on three years probation for having sex with two underage female students.

Randy Nack, 33, pleaded guilty on July 1 to four felony charges, including having unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor more than three years younger than the perpetrator.

He also pleaded guilty to oral copulation on a person under 18 and two counts of sexual penetration with a foreign object.

Nack faced a maximum sentence of five years in prison.

Allegations of an unlawful sexual relationship with a 17-year-old girl were raised on Jan, 17 and police started an investigation, according to Escondido police Lt. Bob Benton.

Nack surrendered on Feb. 28, and was subsequently charged with having unlawful sex with the second girl.

The defendant graduated from Escondido High in 1994 and joined the district as a teacher in 2004.  END.

I don't think he had to register as a sexual preditor


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2010, 08:17:18 PM
I ran the name randy/randall nack through the FBI SO registry and got no hits. He plead guilty, wouldn't he be on there? Maybe he is in jail? I will look now... Nothing in http://apps.sdsheriff.net/wij/wij.aspx I would assume he would be jailed in this jail considering the crime was in Escondido, san diego county?

How can he not be on the SO registry?  This is really strange.  He should at least be there even if he in incarcerated?   ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.nsopw.gov/Core/OffenderSearchResults.aspx

I ran Nack, R and this is what I got. Unless he has a different last name then what is listed he is not in the system.

Search Results:
4 hits from a national search including all states, territories and Indian Country for First Name like R, Last Name like nack. To view a list of the jurisdictions included in this search, click here.
Name    Location   
MC-NACK, RALPH JR
 Locations:
PRIMARY:
N/A
HOUSTON, TX   77066
HARRIS
 
NASH, ROBERT J
 Locations:
PRIMARY:
N/A
CHARLESTON, SC   29412
CHARLESTON
 
NIX, RICHARD
 Locations:
PRIMARY:
N/A
WAGENER, SC   29164
AIKEN
 
NIX, RONALD STEVEN
 
Found this article, he was sentanced to one year in jail.
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Art-Teacher-and-Swim-Coach-Sentenced-for-Sex-with/ZRli2Wr8jkGfJoZcOUC8UA.cspx

Art Teacher and Swim Coach Sentenced for Sex with Teens

Last Update: 10/15/2008 5:45 pm 

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Randy Nack VISTA - An art teacher and former swim and water polo coach at Escondido High School was sentenced Wednesday to a year in jail and placed on three years probation for having sex with two underage female students.

Randy Nack, 33, pleaded guilty on July 1 to four felony charges, including having unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor more than three years younger than the perpetrator.

He also pleaded guilty to oral copulation on a person under 18 and two counts of sexual penetration with a foreign object.

Nack faced a maximum sentence of five years in prison.

Allegations of an unlawful sexual relationship with a 17-year-old girl were raised on Jan, 17 and police started an investigation, according to Escondido police Lt. Bob Benton.

Nack surrendered on Feb. 28, and was subsequently charged with having unlawful sex with the second girl.

The defendant graduated from Escondido High in 1994 and joined the district as a teacher in 2004.  END.

I don't think he had to register as a sexual preditor

So he got one year which means he would be out in 3 months max and no registration on the SO sites so he can more than likely be teaching again.  How special.   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2010, 08:29:09 PM
This is one sick man.  I really hope he is still in jail.

[Ronald Elliot Porter], a former Escondido auto mechanic, was formally charged Monday in the rape and murder of Cwik, 43, a transient from Florida whose body, like [Annette Russell]'s, was dumped in the remote East County area of Buckman Springs. Law enforcement authorities concluded that she was assaulted and beaten about a mile from where she was dumped and died of blood loss while trying to reach help after walking barefoot down a rugged road.

Porter entered state prison in April, 1989, and was released 20 months later, still classified as a dangerous felon. While in prison, Porter was interviewed by task force investigators about some of the serial killings.

Porter's attorney, Terry Kolkey, did not return a telephone call to his office Monday. Family members have said that Porter is being made a scapegoat for the crimes of others.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/access/61488650.html?dids=61488650:61488650&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Sep+17%2C+1991&author=MARK+PLATTE&pub=Los+Angeles+Times+(pre-1997+Fulltext)&desc=Con+Accused+in+Killings+of+2+Women+Crime%3A+Ronald+Porter+of+Escondido+is+charged+on+eve+of+release+from+state+prison.+Slayings+are+part+of+a+series+of+45+being+probed+by+a+task+force.&pqatl=google

This guy is still in jail thank goodness!

Last Name: PORTER  First Name: RONALD  Middle Name: ELLIOTT 
 
INCARCERATED
 
 Description Offenses Scars/Marks/Tattoos Known Aliases
Last Known Address:
 
County: 
Zip Code 
Date of Birth: 12-23-1946
Sex: MALE
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 160
Eye Color: BLUE
Hair Color: BROWN
Ethnicity: WHITE
 
Known Aliases
FOSTER, RON 

http://www.nsopw.gov/Core/ResultDetails.aspx?index=1&x=B711F28E-F402-4EEF-9D4F-401824C21E8C


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2010, 08:33:50 PM
Here is another one that is probably out of jail unless he reoffended.

The Modesto Bee - 25 May 1998

http://news.google.ca/newspapers?id=4icuAAAAIBAJ&sjid=SdQFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2468,4145131&dq=escondido+assault&hl=en


This one is out and living in Santee:

Last Name: SALINAS  First Name: MICHAEL  Middle Name: 
 
 Description Offenses Scars/Marks/Tattoos Known Aliases
Last Known Address: 9230 LAKE CANYON ROAD
SANTEE, 92071
County: SAN DIEGO
Zip Code 92071
Date of Birth: 04-15-1969
Sex: MALE
Height: 5'9"
Weight: 220
Eye Color: BROWN
Hair Color: BROWN
Ethnicity: HISPANIC

 
Offense Code
Description
288(a) LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACTS WITH CHILD UNDER 14 YEARS

SALINAS, MICHAEL WAYNE

http://www.nsopw.gov/Core/ResultDetails.aspx?index=2&x=C4E6E415-A801-4F23-9B89-6485245BBBC4


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: JessStar on January 03, 2010, 08:42:08 PM
Hello everyone. If I understand the question, there is no mandatory DNA collection of newborns or anyone else for that matter EXCEPT for those that find their way into the criminal justice system. Every time the issue of a national DNA database surfaces, groups like the ACLU smack it down with brute force claiming it constitutes an invasion of privacy. I don't see that changing any time soon.

Trafficking in newborns and small children is unfortunately a big business. Some believe that's what happened to Madelein McCann and, perhaps, Haley Cummings. I haven't heard of any baby harvesting cases in years (that's where young girls are forced to birth children for sale), but then again, I haven't really focused on that.

It is illegal to sell a child, period, even if the buyer is a purported private adoption agency. Could you imagine if the law was otherwise?  Horrific abuses.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 03, 2010, 08:57:57 PM
They did not publish this guys name  ::MonkeyEek::

Man gets 10 years for sex assault of girl, 13
[7 Edition]

The San Diego Union - Tribune - San Diego, Calif.
Author: J. Harry Jones
Date: Aug 29, 2003
Start Page: B.4
Section: LOCAL

An Escondido man who pleaded guilty in the drugging and sexual assault of a 13-year-old girl while she slept at a friend's house in Poway was sentenced to 10 years in prison yesterday.

That night, as the girl slept on a couch, she awoke with a stomachache and [Jack] got her a soda, she said. Deputy District Attorney Garry Haehnle told the judge the soda was laced with some type of drug that knocked the girl out. The prosecutor said Jack assaulted the girl later that night.

Jack's girlfriend and a former girlfriend asked Judge [John Davidson] to forgive Jack and give him probation. Both said Jack's problems stem from alcohol abuse. When he isn't drunk, he's a wonderful person, they said.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sandiego/access/390255581.html?dids=390255581:390255581&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Aug+29%2C+2003&author=J.+Harry+Jones&pub=The+San+Diego+Union+-+Tribune&desc=Man+gets+10+years+for+sex+assault+of+girl%2C+13&pqatl=google


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 03, 2010, 11:14:25 PM
Two possible routes directly to cell tower from school.  Depending on where in the coverage area the cell is, the distance and travel time would change but this gives you an idea.

First route that goes south then onto 15 is 7.4 miles 10 mins

Second route that goes north on N Broadway is 5.2 miles 12 mins.



thanks Northern for the maps

regarding the question as to if all phone companies have a code that you must enter to retrieve voicemails: I have ATT and am in Northern Cali.  All I do is hold down the "1" on my phone and it goes directly to voicemail.  If Amber were hurt, you are right, she would not call voicemail... that does not make any sense.  But if the perp left a message to lure her, they may want to delete it.  Did authorities ever access her voicemails? I don't rememer hearing about that.  My husband made a point that maybe someone found the fone and tried to access the voicemail to see who it belonged to to possibly return it, then could not.  Wonder where it is now...looks like it was fairly close to the school tho.

I
Hi ChiChi,
It is my understanding that all calls coming into the cellphone were checked as well as the voicemails, phone records etc. From my knowledge, the only thing someone did the Saturday after Amber went missing was dial *82 and then hang up?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 12:05:22 AM
This is one sick man.  I really hope he is still in jail.

[Ronald Elliot Porter], a former Escondido auto mechanic, was formally charged Monday in the rape and murder of Cwik, 43, a transient from Florida whose body, like [Annette Russell]'s, was dumped in the remote East County area of Buckman Springs. Law enforcement authorities concluded that she was assaulted and beaten about a mile from where she was dumped and died of blood loss while trying to reach help after walking barefoot down a rugged road.

Porter entered state prison in April, 1989, and was released 20 months later, still classified as a dangerous felon. While in prison, Porter was interviewed by task force investigators about some of the serial killings.

Porter's attorney, Terry Kolkey, did not return a telephone call to his office Monday. Family members have said that Porter is being made a scapegoat for the crimes of others.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/access/61488650.html?dids=61488650:61488650&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Sep+17%2C+1991&author=MARK+PLATTE&pub=Los+Angeles+Times+(pre-1997+Fulltext)&desc=Con+Accused+in+Killings+of+2+Women+Crime%3A+Ronald+Porter+of+Escondido+is+charged+on+eve+of+release+from+state+prison.+Slayings+are+part+of+a+series+of+45+being+probed+by+a+task+force.&pqatl=google

This guy is still in jail thank goodness!

Last Name: PORTER  First Name: RONALD  Middle Name: ELLIOTT 
 
INCARCERATED
 
 Description Offenses Scars/Marks/Tattoos Known Aliases
Last Known Address:
 
County: 
Zip Code 
Date of Birth: 12-23-1946
Sex: MALE
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 160
Eye Color: BLUE
Hair Color: BROWN
Ethnicity: WHITE
 
Known Aliases
FOSTER, RON 

http://www.nsopw.gov/Core/ResultDetails.aspx?index=1&x=B711F28E-F402-4EEF-9D4F-401824C21E8C

Hi Northern Rose,
I read all about Mr Porter one night late. What a sick *&^%.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 12:11:49 AM
Hi Monkeys,
I was out of town for a couple of days and come back and see all of the work that you have done. You guys are so awsome!!!!!! ::MonkeyCheer4:: Carrie is trying to catch up on reading here and will hopefully post soon. She has been chasing leads. As Edward mentioned she went out to Slab City. She did not find Amber, but came home with a 6 week old abandoned puppy. She definately has had her hands full!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 12:18:02 AM
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/category/children-of-god

I don't know if any of you monkeys have heard of this cult. They are currently operating under a different name and have an offshoot in Escondido.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 04, 2010, 12:21:09 AM
For Immediate Release
 Alleged Sexual Predator Frederick McLean Still Running From Justice
U.S. Marshals ask for the Public's Help in the Manhunt for 15 Most Wanted Fugitive

WASHINGTON – Nearly five years after charges were first filed on Frederick McLean, he is still running from the law. McLean, an alleged sexual predator, is wanted in California on four counts of child molestation, one count of lewd and lascivious acts with a child under 14 and one count of unlawful flight to avoid prosecution.


Authorities need the public’s help in getting McLean off the streets and away from potential victims. Law enforcement officials say they have already identified potentially 17 victims and additional charges could be filed against McLean once he is in custody.

The U.S. Marshals believe his crimes are heinous enough to have earned him a spot on the Marshals’ 15 Most Wanted fugitive list in 2006. Authorities regard McLean as a high risk for committing additional sex crimes against minors. Research on sex offender recidivism shows it is a variety of factors that contribute to reoffending.

“McLean possesses many of the factors correlated with reoffense,” said Dr. Michael Bourke, Chief psychologist for the U.S. Marshals Sex Offender Investigations Branch, “and stress, including the stress that comes with being a fugitive, increases the risk for abusive acting out.”

Fugitive McLean, 58, is wanted by the San Diego Sheriff’s Department on multiple counts of sexual assault on a child, but according to the U.S. Marshals “multiple counts” is an understatement. One alleged victim, now an adult, reported McLean assaulted her more than 100 times, starting when she was five and ending about seven years later.

McLean is deemed to be at high risk for engaging in sexual assault of young girls, according to Bourke. However, he might also target young boys.

“This fugitive has evaded capture for nearly five years, but he needs to know that we will never cease our efforts of hunting him down,” said George W. Venables, U.S. Marshal for the Southern District of California. “We are absolutely resolute in our commitment to bringing in Frederick McLean to face the charges brought against him.”

Several months ago, the Pacific Southwest Regional Fugitive Task Force executed a search warrant and obtained new leads and updated photos on Frederick McLean.

Authorities believe McLean gained access to many of his victims through his leadership position in his local congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses near San Diego.

An arrest warrant was issued in January 2005, for McLean, but authorities believe he sensed his days of freedom were numbered almost six months prior. In May 2004, family members confronted McLean regarding a young female victim’s allegations of molestation. McLean admitted they were true, and the victim’s family called Riverside County Sheriff’s Department. After the confrontation, McLean’s wife and children left him. He began liquidating financial assets, and he signed divorce papers.

In September 2004, McLean’s father-in-law woke up one morning to find McLean’s truck in his driveway. Inside the truck were McLean’s cell phone, letters for the family and instructions on how to sell the vehicle. It was evident from his actions that he believed criminal charges against him were looming.

McLean is a 58-year-old white male who weighs 170 pounds and is 5 feet, 11 inches tall. He has hazel eyes and brown/gray hair – possibly all gray hair. He is an auto mechanic by trade and once owned a racecar restoration business, specializing in racing cars from the 1960s and 1970s. McLean is also an experienced outdoorsman and may frequent camping areas. McLean’s character traits include: being financially frugal, meticulous, organized, and probably pays by cash. Investigators believe McLean may have assumed a new identity and could be using an alias name.

Authorities caution citizens to consider McLean armed and dangerous, and possibly suicidal.

There is a $25,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of McLean, and all inquiries remain confidential. Anyone with information is encouraged to contact their nearest U.S. Marshals Service office, or call the Marshals’ 24-hour phone line at 1-800-336-0102.

U.S. Marshals are the nation’s primary fugitive hunting organization. Fugitive Task Forces led by the U.S. Marshals capture thousands of fugitives each year. For more information on the U.S. Marshals and 15 Most Wanted Fugitive Frederick McLean, go to www.usmarshals.gov.

     Wanted Poster for Frederick McLean http://www.usmarshals.gov/news/chron/2009/mclean.pdf


http://www.usmarshals.gov/news/chron/2009/122909.htm



I am bumping this as there is no way that a SO could overcome his sick need to assault children just because he is on the run.  This guy is into old cars, there is a house across from the stadium that has an old mustang as well as another old car on the property.  Could be a coincidence but needs to be brought forward. 



I will bring this forward so that sebastian and carrie can look at this guy. He lives across from the football stadium at the high school.

Click on the U.S. Marshalls link.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 12:23:13 AM
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/16106/judge-orders-site-inspection-of-sex-cult-the-family

I still do not know how to bold on this site. I am so sorry. If you read this article, one of the cult leaders could not comment as they were down in "MEXICO". This *&&%^ is getting government money too!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 12:30:31 AM
For Immediate Release
 Alleged Sexual Predator Frederick McLean Still Running From Justice
U.S. Marshals ask for the Public's Help in the Manhunt for 15 Most Wanted Fugitive

WASHINGTON – Nearly five years after charges were first filed on Frederick McLean, he is still running from the law. McLean, an alleged sexual predator, is wanted in California on four counts of child molestation, one count of lewd and lascivious acts with a child under 14 and one count of unlawful flight to avoid prosecution.


Authorities need the public’s help in getting McLean off the streets and away from potential victims. Law enforcement officials say they have already identified potentially 17 victims and additional charges could be filed against McLean once he is in custody.

The U.S. Marshals believe his crimes are heinous enough to have earned him a spot on the Marshals’ 15 Most Wanted fugitive list in 2006. Authorities regard McLean as a high risk for committing additional sex crimes against minors. Research on sex offender recidivism shows it is a variety of factors that contribute to reoffending.

“McLean possesses many of the factors correlated with reoffense,” said Dr. Michael Bourke, Chief psychologist for the U.S. Marshals Sex Offender Investigations Branch, “and stress, including the stress that comes with being a fugitive, increases the risk for abusive acting out.”

Fugitive McLean, 58, is wanted by the San Diego Sheriff’s Department on multiple counts of sexual assault on a child, but according to the U.S. Marshals “multiple counts” is an understatement. One alleged victim, now an adult, reported McLean assaulted her more than 100 times, starting when she was five and ending about seven years later.

McLean is deemed to be at high risk for engaging in sexual assault of young girls, according to Bourke. However, he might also target young boys.

“This fugitive has evaded capture for nearly five years, but he needs to know that we will never cease our efforts of hunting him down,” said George W. Venables, U.S. Marshal for the Southern District of California. “We are absolutely resolute in our commitment to bringing in Frederick McLean to face the charges brought against him.”

Several months ago, the Pacific Southwest Regional Fugitive Task Force executed a search warrant and obtained new leads and updated photos on Frederick McLean.

Authorities believe McLean gained access to many of his victims through his leadership position in his local congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses near San Diego.

An arrest warrant was issued in January 2005, for McLean, but authorities believe he sensed his days of freedom were numbered almost six months prior. In May 2004, family members confronted McLean regarding a young female victim’s allegations of molestation. McLean admitted they were true, and the victim’s family called Riverside County Sheriff’s Department. After the confrontation, McLean’s wife and children left him. He began liquidating financial assets, and he signed divorce papers.

In September 2004, McLean’s father-in-law woke up one morning to find McLean’s truck in his driveway. Inside the truck were McLean’s cell phone, letters for the family and instructions on how to sell the vehicle. It was evident from his actions that he believed criminal charges against him were looming.

McLean is a 58-year-old white male who weighs 170 pounds and is 5 feet, 11 inches tall. He has hazel eyes and brown/gray hair – possibly all gray hair. He is an auto mechanic by trade and once owned a racecar restoration business, specializing in racing cars from the 1960s and 1970s. McLean is also an experienced outdoorsman and may frequent camping areas. McLean’s character traits include: being financially frugal, meticulous, organized, and probably pays by cash. Investigators believe McLean may have assumed a new identity and could be using an alias name.

Authorities caution citizens to consider McLean armed and dangerous, and possibly suicidal.

There is a $25,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of McLean, and all inquiries remain confidential. Anyone with information is encouraged to contact their nearest U.S. Marshals Service office, or call the Marshals’ 24-hour phone line at 1-800-336-0102.

U.S. Marshals are the nation’s primary fugitive hunting organization. Fugitive Task Forces led by the U.S. Marshals capture thousands of fugitives each year. For more information on the U.S. Marshals and 15 Most Wanted Fugitive Frederick McLean, go to www.usmarshals.gov.

     Wanted Poster for Frederick McLean http://www.usmarshals.gov/news/chron/2009/mclean.pdf


http://www.usmarshals.gov/news/chron/2009/122909.htm



I am bumping this as there is no way that a SO could overcome his sick need to assault children just because he is on the run.  This guy is into old cars, there is a house across from the stadium that has an old mustang as well as another old car on the property.  Could be a coincidence but needs to be brought forward. 



I will bring this forward so that sebastian and carrie can look at this guy. He lives across from the football stadium at the high school.

Click on the U.S. Marshalls link.

Hi Edward,
I remember coming across this horrible individual a few months back. He looks familiar but I don't know why. Maybe he looks like someone on t.v. I do know that if LE wanted to look for him, they should be checking out "Cruising Grand". Every Friday night in the summer months the city of Escondido sponsers an event called "Cruising Grand". People line up the street of Grand with old automobiles that have been restored. People walk around and have dinner at the restaurants. There are also vendors selling food, goods etc. It draws a large crowd. I am going to ask Carrie to call her liason at LE about the SO that was a teacher at Escondido High. Why does he not have to register? There are a lot of other odd things going on in Escondido that apparently are going unchecked. There was a registed SO with Halloween decorations in front of his house. A big NO NO! The same said SO has a camera on the outside of his home facing the street. Could this possibly be legal? Then there was the SO in the trailerpark who has supposedly moved. Where is he? He is a very dangerous SO. Believe me, there are those that are keeping an eye on these predators and they are not complying in my opinion. You would think that with Amber missing, LE would be ALL OVER THEM! How are they getting away with this then?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 12:46:06 AM
I think I should clarify my last post. When I said I "came across" the individual, I mean on the internet looking up SO's, certainly not in person.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 04, 2010, 12:46:38 AM
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/16106/judge-orders-site-inspection-of-sex-cult-the-family

I still do not know how to bold on this site. I am so sorry. If you read this article, one of the cult leaders could not comment as they were down in "MEXICO". This *&&%^ is getting government money too!


A San Diego judge has ordered a site inspection of an Escondido commune that some say is home to a sex cult. The order comes as part of a bitter custody battle over a four-year-old boy being raised in the religious sect known as The Family.

Four-year-old Kyle Staughton is a little boy caught in the middle of a bitter divorce and custody battle. His mother, 28-year-old Angie Staughton is a member of a notorious religious sect called The Family that advocates open sexuality as an expression of God’s love. Kyle’s father calls the group a sex cult.

“Yeah, they sleep around a lot,” Paul Staughton said.

Paul Staughton, 32, was born and raised in The Family. He left the group two years ago because he doesn’t believe that loving Jesus has anything to do with sex.

“They believe that Jesus would like it very much that you would include him in the sex act that you were having,” he said.

Formerly called The Children of God, members of The Family live in communes like the one on Calmin Drive in Fallbrook. The group has close ties to two local charities – The Family Care Foundation in Dulzura, and Activated Ministries in Escondido.

Angie and her son Kyle live in a family compound on Alps Way northeast of Escondido with 25 other members of the sect, according to court records.

“You gotta understand when you’ve got 25 to 30 people living in one house, the children see a lot,” Paul Staughton said. “You can’t hide everything from the children.”

Many ex-members say the free love philosophy of The Family led to widespread sexual abuse of children in the 1970s and 80s. But that was 20 years ago, and in court documents, Kyle’s mother writes, “The Family has zero-tolerance towards abuse… I would never expose our son to such things.”

The Family claims it officially outlawed sex with minors in 1986.

“They banned sexual contact with children 20 years ago, yes, but all these people who had sexual contact with kids are still in The Family. How would you like to have your son raised in the community full of sex offenders?” Paul Staughton said.



http://www.apologeticsindex.org/f/f38.html
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

News 8 tried to contact Angie Staughton at the Escondido commune. Sources say she’s in Rosarito Beach at a family-sponsored retreat. Family members at the commune declined to be interviewed.









Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 04, 2010, 01:00:55 AM
http://www.cmalliance.org/about/family/structure


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 04, 2010, 01:02:09 AM
http://www.cmalliance.org/about/family/


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 01:28:42 AM
What a racket! If they are NOW clean as a whistle as they are trying to portray, why even be associated with the old members? It is my opinion that anyone who would associate themselves with a group that committed these types of crimes, even supposedly 20 years ago, is suspect! They are getting donations from all over the place. Where are the checks and balances? How does a group commit horrible crimes against children and then be allowed to operate as a legitimate group 20 years later which gets Government money? This is all too disgusting! There is another lovely SO in Escondido who lives with his family that operates a Catholic bible distribution company. They sponser all sorts of events, like teenage outings. UGH! The more you dig, the nastier it gets!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 01:33:53 AM
http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?searchby=offender&id=1869408342981

This registered SO in Escondido, owns an in-home computer business. He goes into peoples homes and works on computers and wiring etc. He also drives a "white van". It appears that he lives with his parents. I wonder how many people run a check on the computer repair people that they invite into their homes with their children? My guess would be very few. I already checked with Carrie long ago and he was never at her home.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 01:36:13 AM
http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?searchby=offender&id=1869408342981

This registered SO in Escondido, owns an in-home computer business. He goes into peoples homes and works on computers and wiring etc. He also drives a "white van". It appears that he lives with his parents. I wonder how many people run a check on the computer repair people that they invite into their homes with their children? My guess would be very few. I already checked with Carrie long ago and he was never at her home.

http://www.bbb.org/san-diego/business-reviews/home-theater/electronic-systems-development-in-escondido-ca-171984948/
Here is his home business. He gets an "A" rating with the Better Business Bureau. Unreal!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 01:38:32 AM
http://bushidocode.org/asian_tattoo.html

I am pretty sure that this admired tatoo artist is none other than this registered SO.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 01:40:08 AM
http://bushidocode.org/asian_tattoo.html

I am pretty sure that this admired tatoo artist is none other than this registered SO.

http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?searchby=offender&id=45605024J4133

I am going to try to find his page that shows him with a little girl.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 01:43:00 AM
http://bushidocode.org/asian_tattoo.html

I am pretty sure that this admired tatoo artist is none other than this registered SO.

http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?searchby=offender&id=45605024J4133

I am going to try to find his page that shows him with a little girl.

http://asuss06.deviantart.com/

Look at her face! She does not look happy to me. I am sorry but here we are in a New Year and Amber and many others are still missing. Meanwhile, all of these sexual deviants are free walking the streets, running business, kissing kids. It makes me sick! I am getting myself worked up into a frenzy. Sorry!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 02:11:13 AM
http://www.peoplefinders.com/search/searchpreview.aspx?utm_source=wp&utm_campaign=multiple&utm_content=name&vw=people&Search=People&Input=name&fn=Frederick&ln=Mclean&city=Escondido&state=CA&

I wonder if this is Frederick McLean's father?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 02:26:36 AM
http://www.peoplefinders.com/search/searchpreview.aspx?utm_source=wp&utm_campaign=multiple&utm_content=name&vw=people&Search=People&Input=name&fn=Frederick&ln=Mclean&city=Escondido&state=CA&

I wonder if this is Frederick McLean's father?

Looks like the related Fred is the correct age.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 02:33:43 AM
http://morckcatholiccompany.shopping.officelive.com/default.aspx

Another business being run out of a home where an Escondido SO was residing.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 02:36:03 AM
http://morckcatholiccompany.shopping.officelive.com/default.aspx

Another business being run out of a home where an Escondido SO was residing.

When you type in Escondido Sex Offenders in google, you will get this guys name with the address being at 2434 Smokewood, Escondido. I think he has recently re-located. I wonder why the move?

http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?searchby=offender&id=45004044I5759


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 02:39:00 AM
http://morckcatholiccompany.shopping.officelive.com/default.aspx

Another business being run out of a home where an Escondido SO was residing.

When you type in Escondido Sex Offenders in google, you will get this guys name with the address being at 2434 Smokewood, Escondido. I think he has recently re-located. I wonder why the move?

http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?searchby=offender&id=45004044I5759

I can tell you that this guy moved recently. I have checked on his status off and on for months. His new address of 563 Rush Dr, San Marcos gives a business name of "
Neenerink"? WTH is that? http://maps.google.com/maps/place?hl=en&source=hp&rlz=1R2GWYE_en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=563+rush+dr&fb=1&gl=us&hq=563+rush+dr&hnear=San+Diego,+CA&cid=17651990152922063332


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 04:29:13 AM
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&source=hp&rlz=1R2GWYE_en&q=11482+alps+way,+escondido,+ca&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=11482+Alps+Way,+Escondido,+CA+92026&gl=us&ei=1bJBS7T3NZHAsgOZytXNBA&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ8gEwAA

I mentioned a while back about Hidden Meadows and Cougars Pass. Cougars pass is a road in Hidden Meadows that is pretty desolate and is a hang out for druggies, drinkers and teens up to no good. If you click on this map you will see 11482 Alps Way and its relation to Cougars pass. 11482 Alps way is one of the communes for Activated Ministries. I am sure that this is a stretch but follow the map. It leads right back down to Broadway.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 05:22:11 AM
Two possible routes directly to cell tower from school.  Depending on where in the coverage area the cell is, the distance and travel time would change but this gives you an idea.

First route that goes south then onto 15 is 7.4 miles 10 mins

Second route that goes north on N Broadway is 5.2 miles 12 mins.



The cellphone ping came right at the street that takes you into Hidden Meadows.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 05:28:55 AM
http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2009-09-25/local-county-news/man-suspected-of-kidnapping-teenager-behind-bars

This guy is from Hidden Meadows


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 04, 2010, 09:51:49 AM
I had Hidden Medows on my list from early on in this case.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: MuffyBee on January 04, 2010, 10:57:26 AM
Sebastian~  How to bold at Scared Monkeys:

If you are going to bold in someone else's quote, go ahead and hit the quote button.  Go to the first letter (start) of what you want to bold, with your mouse, hold down left click on mouse, highlighting the area you want to bold.  Left click your mouse again to release and then go to the bold B in the first row, above all the monkey icons/smileys and then left click on it with your mouse.  The area you want bolded should have a on at the first the area you want to quote and at the other end.  You can also preview before you post, and you can see you've bolded it the way you want it.  Sometimes it takes a bit of practice using your mouse to highlight just the area you want. 

If you want to bold something in your own post, just hit reply as usual, highlight the area you want to bold by pressing the left click on your mouse, (keep depressed) as you highlight what you want to bold.  Let up on the mouse.  Go to the B and left click it once, and what you wanted should appear bolded when you preview it. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 04, 2010, 12:45:16 PM
MuffyBee

On 3 of my computers the message box is unstable.
I can't lock the characters to highlight them. It goes wild and is uncontrollable.
This has happened since upgrading to windows explorer7 It is also happening on other forums.
 So my question is this. Is this common or just me ?




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 04, 2010, 12:52:10 PM
http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2009-09-25/local-county-news/man-suspected-of-kidnapping-teenager-behind-bars

This guy is from Hidden Meadows

Ricardo Manuel Vilar

I posted this before.. HE should have been closely looked at by LE about Amber and all of the surrounding area of hidden medows searched for evidence of amber including the houses he was staying at..
Look for things he may not throw away easy link the rings and necklace and ask all women associated with him about the jewelry.

I thought LE had already done this..
 He is high priority on my list for a person who is willing to do a snatch and grab and it is near the last known position of Amber's phone..


 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 01:07:49 PM
I had Hidden Medows on my list from early on in this case.

Hi Edward,
I too have had a weird feeling about Hidden Meadows from early on. I want to show you an area of Hidden Meadows but I am not sure if I will know how to map it. I will go and try.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 01:08:45 PM
Sebastian~  How to bold at Scared Monkeys:

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Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 01:16:40 PM
I don't know how to get a map of Cougars Pass. What I wanted to say is this. Many people in the area know about Cougars Pass because of the hiking trails, the partiers that come out at night and it used to be a short cut to Valley Center. You used to be able to take Cougars Pass to Valley Center. However, the person who owned the property making the road accessable got upset at all of the late night activity and trash etc left on his property. He put up a barrier fence so that you can no longer get to Valley Center from Cougars Pass.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 04, 2010, 01:21:01 PM
Wasn't that area searched with professional search teams ?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 01:32:44 PM
Wasn't that area searched with professional search teams ?

Hi Edward,
I just checked with Carrie and she said the entire area of Cougars Pass was checked. I remember early on someone thought that they had spotted Amber out there with other teens.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 04, 2010, 01:32:45 PM
I would focus on Ricardo Manuel Vilar
His living conditions .. His transportation habits ..gifts he has given to girls in his life.. His dayly routine and habits..
Interview people People that know him, especially males who he may brag too.
  Looking around the areas in which he lived.. Search it well.
 Most of all search for items that belonged to Amber.. Cloth Backpack..phone..jewelry.

The Hinky Meter is On High ...
Because He Shows A Pattern of Behavior, that is similar to what we are looking for.

I hope you relay that info to Carrie to follow up with LE that they follow up with reasonable concern.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 01:35:53 PM
I would focus on Ricardo Manuel Vilar
His living conditions .. His transportation habits ..gifts he has given to girls in his life.. His dayly routine and habits..
Interview people People that know him, especially males who he may brag too.
  Looking around the areas in which he lived.. Search it well.
 Most of all search for items that belonged to Amber.. Cloth Backpack..phone..jewelry.

The Hinky Meter is On High ...
Because He Shows A Pattern of Behavior, that is similar to what we are looking for.

I hope you relay that info to Carrie to follow up with LE that they follow up with reasonable concern.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrea-Schorle/1446885402 I think that this may be the woman that he was arrested with. Does anyone have an anonomous facebook account that they could use to ask her some questions?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 04, 2010, 01:45:08 PM
Just ask the detectives to follow up..
She and He living areas must be searched..
I think from what I read in the News and my gut feeling that SHE may lie for him.
She could be wearing jewelry.

This is not a job for mom.. It Is for LE


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 01:55:01 PM
I don't know how to get a map of Cougars Pass. What I wanted to say is this. Many people in the area know about Cougars Pass because of the hiking trails, the partiers that come out at night and it used to be a short cut to Valley Center. You used to be able to take Cougars Pass to Valley Center. However, the person who owned the property making the road accessable got upset at all of the late night activity and trash etc left on his property. He put up a barrier fence so that you can no longer get to Valley Center from Cougars Pass.

If you can give me two cross street names I will map it for you.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 04, 2010, 02:27:36 PM
Here is an area map..

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&q=hidden+meadows+escondido&fb=1&gl=us&hq=hidden+meadows&hnear=escondido&view=map&cid=17261555078100074205&iwloc=A&ved=0CBQQpQY&sa=X&ei=xj5CS_b5IpXUtAOrxuD8CA


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 02:28:35 PM
I don't know how to get a map of Cougars Pass. What I wanted to say is this. Many people in the area know about Cougars Pass because of the hiking trails, the partiers that come out at night and it used to be a short cut to Valley Center. You used to be able to take Cougars Pass to Valley Center. However, the person who owned the property making the road accessable got upset at all of the late night activity and trash etc left on his property. He put up a barrier fence so that you can no longer get to Valley Center from Cougars Pass.

If you can give me two cross street names I will map it for you.

Hi Northern Rose!
If you start off at the high school on Broadway and take Broadway north all the way out, you will see where there are two different ways to get up to Cougars Pass. Once on Cougars Pass you can take it all the way to Betsworth. Somewhere before Betsworth is where the gate has been put up so that you can no longer go through to Valley Center. A little bit before you get to Betsworth is where the partiers and such hang out. Someone could have grabbed her and took her up there without ever having to get on the freeway.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 04, 2010, 02:40:10 PM
Ormsby road.. It is the road I was asking Carrie about, it is the back way into a park named Guamone.

Anywhere along that road within a hundred yards of the road on each side would be search areas close to Hidden Meadows, if I remember correct it is HER "His girlfriends" Home. Not his.
So where exactly is HIS home ? I do not know. 

I have written about this before and posted it.. As I remember this area was searched before and if I am correct the Dogs used did get upset in this area but no body was found.

I Remember that one of of our other cases where a body was found buried with a dead animal to confuse search Dogs.

Anyways I am not a professional and all of this is just my humble opinion.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 02:47:40 PM
Ormsby road.. It is the road I was asking Carrie about, it is the back way into a park named Guamone.

Anywhere along that road within a hundred yards of the road on each side would be search areas close to Hidden Meadows, if I remember correct it is HER "His girlfriends" Home. Not his.
So where exactly is HIS home ? I do not know. 

I have written about this before and posted it.. As I remember this area was searched before and if I am correct the Dogs used did get upset in this area but no body was found.

I Remember that one of of our other cases where a body was found buried with a dead animal to confuse search Dogs.

Anyways I am not a professional and all of this is just my humble opinion.


I am thinking that maybe they lived together? They both lived in Carlsbad at one time as well. He goes by Rick Vilar. She has a young daughter, ugh!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 04, 2010, 02:50:06 PM
From the area of the high school.. going East.. out of town.
Valley center road to Lilac road.. left, to old castle road .. or further on is, Circle R Dr.
either way left on either..
Both end up at Ormsby st. and the goes Under the freeway.. then you are on the west side of 15 going towards the park named Guamone.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 04, 2010, 02:53:46 PM
Northern Rose .. Could you please mark out those roads on a ping map ?
The girlfriends actual street address would be nice too.. But not at this moment..

I just want to see how close these roads are to the Ping Area mentioned.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 04, 2010, 03:00:25 PM
Sebastian ..I felt that , and I could be wrong, that this woman mentioned in the story was just a Sucker for this S.O.
She probably never knew he was going to attempt to kidnap a 19 year old girl.
Plus everyone at the store knew him from previous BOOZE runs he and his girlfriend had made to the store.. and I gathered from what I had read that SHE drove a vehicle and HE was the passenger.

He may not have a car or license.. Which would really make her a sucker.. lol
He may not actually have a home..

Anyways.. Historically Women like this lie at times for the S.O. perp..
I do not trust her for that reason.

She having a daughter at home.. Gee Wiz..
She is foolish indeed.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 03:10:58 PM
Sebastian ..I felt that , and I could be wrong, that this woman mentioned in the story was just a Sucker for this S.O.
She probably never knew he was going to attempt to kidnap a 19 year old girl.
Plus everyone at the store knew him from previous BOOZE runs he and his girlfriend had made to the store.. and I gathered from what I had read that SHE drove a vehicle and HE was the passenger.

He may not have a car or license.. Which would really make her a sucker.. lol
He may not actually have a home..

Anyways.. Historically Women like this lie at times for the S.O. perp..
I do not trust her for that reason.

She having a daughter at home.. Gee Wiz..
She is foolish indeed.



Hi Edward,
When they were arrested, she got in trouble for driving with a suspended license and drugs. I was really hoping that she had just met him at one of the casinos and decided to go get beer with him. Do you know if she was actually his girlfriend? It makes me nuts that she has a child close to Amber's age. She is obviously no longer incarcerated based on her facebook account, but I wonder where he is?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 03:14:24 PM
I don't know how to get a map of Cougars Pass. What I wanted to say is this. Many people in the area know about Cougars Pass because of the hiking trails, the partiers that come out at night and it used to be a short cut to Valley Center. You used to be able to take Cougars Pass to Valley Center. However, the person who owned the property making the road accessable got upset at all of the late night activity and trash etc left on his property. He put up a barrier fence so that you can no longer get to Valley Center from Cougars Pass.

If you can give me two cross street names I will map it for you.

Hi Northern Rose!
If you start off at the high school on Broadway and take Broadway north all the way out, you will see where there are two different ways to get up to Cougars Pass. Once on Cougars Pass you can take it all the way to Betsworth. Somewhere before Betsworth is where the gate has been put up so that you can no longer go through to Valley Center. A little bit before you get to Betsworth is where the partiers and such hang out. Someone could have grabbed her and took her up there without ever having to get on the freeway.

Gate


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 04, 2010, 03:30:51 PM
Sebastian,
Maybe she did just meet him.. But like you said it would be hard for them to live in Carlsbad previous IF she had just met him.

I am running this whole conversation on memory because I have not read about him for awhile..

I hope LE does go back and take a closer look at him and try to build a search for Amber based on HIM and that area where he/she was noted as living..

Back then when I looked up her home it was in a nice area..



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 03:49:49 PM
From the area of the high school.. going East.. out of town.
Valley center road to Lilac road.. left, to old castle road .. or further on is, Circle R Dr.
either way left on either..
Both end up at Ormsby st. and the goes Under the freeway.. then you are on the west side of 15 going towards the park named Guamone.


Edward- I made it up to 15 but not sure where you want me to go from here.  The Tower and Hidden Meadows are on the map.  I have taken the circles off the tower and left perimeter pins to show service from the tower.  Where do I go from 15?   Also, please check your email.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 03:55:27 PM
Northern Rose .. Could you please mark out those roads on a ping map ?
The girlfriends actual street address would be nice too.. But not at this moment..

I just want to see how close these roads are to the Ping Area mentioned.



I do not know the g/f's address.  Can you please provide?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 04, 2010, 04:03:26 PM
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Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 04, 2010, 04:10:34 PM
I do not have it handy.. The g/f street.
I think a news report gave a street name and then I went to the street view off Google to look...
I do not think I ever posted it..

You did A Great job with that green line of roads with the Cell Tower, Northern Rose..
It all looks very centered.. Like a Pattern.
I do not know the ping area of that tower but it all looks right to me...

Turner lake is also an isolated spot with many canyon roads.. Isolated for the most part. Just off to the right of the green line and behind Hidden Meadows community.







Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 04:17:44 PM
I just noticed when I was mapping that the road that goes directly beside the At&T tower is a turn around and truckers park there.  Truckers who have a route have habits of where they stop.  Not saying these guys were there that day but here are some of the trucks that do park there.  Have any of these companies been talked to about seeing anything in that area the day Amber went missing?



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 04, 2010, 04:20:43 PM
That green line is perfect and you do not have to go any further then 15..

The road goes UNDER 15 at that point.. He would never be on the freeway at all with Amber with him..
Lots of spots he could have stopped.
Once you go under 15, I am not sure what path he would take...The green line represents his way out of town and circling his home base at Hidden Meadows.
What he would do with Amber is all a guess..

The map is perfect.

Thank You so much Northern Rose.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 04:29:36 PM
Hi Northern Rose!
I was wondering if you could do a mapping of 30012 old hwy 395 #82, escondido, ca 92026. There is a very very bad SO named Merrill Oliver Tracy at that address. His crimes include kidnapping, rape etc. A little bird told me that he may have moved. If so, he has obviously not notified anyone as to his new address. I had done a lot of research on this *&^%. Apparently he came from a large family and there were a lot of kids who got sent to foster homes etc. One of his sisters was looking for him and other siblings on one of the adoption sites.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 04:41:18 PM
Hi Northern Rose!
I was wondering if you could do a mapping of 30012 old hwy 395 #82, escondido, ca 92026. There is a very very bad SO named Merrill Oliver Tracy at that address. His crimes include kidnapping, rape etc. A little bird told me that he may have moved. If so, he has obviously not notified anyone as to his new address. I had done a lot of research on this *&^%. Apparently he came from a large family and there were a lot of kids who got sent to foster homes etc. One of his sisters was looking for him and other siblings on one of the adoption sites.

By the way, he lives out in the same area in a trailer park. Most of these trailers are the kind that you take with you. They attach to the back of a truck. They are not permanent. This is the thing that is bothering the heck out of me. I know that LE has their hands full. I have mentioned before that Escondido has a very diverse population and a huge hispanic population. The crime rate is low considering, in my opinion. LE also keeps the gang activity to a minimum. I just cannot figure out though why they are not ALL OVER THESE SO's with Amber missing? I have already told you about the SO with the Halloween decorations, the camera, the one I think is missing in action, the one kissing the little girl on the web. If Merrill Oliver Tracy truly has re-located, where the heck is he and how long has he been gone? It is my understanding that LE only HAS to check in with them once a year? Is there a maximum to the amount of times they can check in without it being harrassment? I just don't get it. I would think that they would be doing a weekly check all them all until Amber is found. I guess it is just wishful thinking on my part.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on January 04, 2010, 04:49:08 PM
LE needs to get to that property and do a search in hidden meadows.


Edward when your screen jumps as you are typing you can fix it by hitting the tab by the refresh button that looks like a torn piece of paper. Warning though, copy what you have been working on because you will lose it. That should fix the problem.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 04:50:45 PM
Hi Northern Rose!
I was wondering if you could do a mapping of 30012 old hwy 395 #82, escondido, ca 92026. There is a very very bad SO named Merrill Oliver Tracy at that address. His crimes include kidnapping, rape etc. A little bird told me that he may have moved. If so, he has obviously not notified anyone as to his new address. I had done a lot of research on this *&^%. Apparently he came from a large family and there were a lot of kids who got sent to foster homes etc. One of his sisters was looking for him and other siblings on one of the adoption sites.
Ok this is weird.  I looked at this place very early on looking at the red truck angle with the altered tailgate possibly for a trailer.  Here it is.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on January 04, 2010, 04:52:57 PM
I'm running backwards a few posts. Someone mentioned a Church short cut that the kids can take to school. This happened on Valentines day, has anyone checked if there was a worker at the church that morning. These SO and killers often seem to hide behind the church.  Did the LE check to see if any SO's worked at the church? Also the Church has a parking lot, where there any cars in the parking lot that morning? Have they ever had a problem with anyone parked cars in the parking lot? 

I read somewhere that they abduct in there own comfort zone. So the perp must have lived, worked or driven that route for a long time. Has anyone ever checked to see if there have been other 7:00 a.m. abductions? Leaving behind no trace is tuff.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 04, 2010, 05:12:30 PM
I'm running backwards a few posts. Someone mentioned a Church short cut that the kids can take to school. This happened on Valentines day, has anyone checked if there was a worker at the church that morning. These SO and killers often seem to hide behind the church.  Did the LE check to see if any SO's worked at the church? Also the Church has a parking lot, where there any cars in the parking lot that morning? Have they ever had a problem with anyone parked cars in the parking lot? 

I read somewhere that they abduct in there own comfort zone. So the perp must have lived, worked or driven that route for a long time. Has anyone ever checked to see if there have been other 7:00 a.m. abductions? Leaving behind no trace is tuff.

I almost hate to post this as it will add so much more possibilities into the mix. But.........I am pretty sure that Carrie told me that they talked to people at the church and no one saw anything. HOWEVER, I am almost positive that Carrie found out that they hold AA meetings at that time of the morning. I think they talked to some of those people as well.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 04, 2010, 05:16:54 PM
Reading backwards is very normal for Monkeys to do..  ::MonkeyDevil::

It happened on Feb 13 Friday. The next day was valintines day..Amber did have valintines items with her.

There is a church on Amber s walk to school..All of this is withing the 95 pages of posting and the pictures of amber's walk are in the first 20 pages and pictures of the church too.
We have other cases where church members are involved.. Sandra Cantu is one.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 04, 2010, 05:47:22 PM
I talked with Carrie and the tower is Verizon and not AT&T
she will get the location and post it for us..



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 04, 2010, 09:40:09 PM
I talked with Carrie and the tower is Verizon and not AT&T
she will get the location and post it for us..



A location would help tons, Long and Lat would be the best but I would settle for anything.  FCC does not require all towers to be registered and a lot of cell companies lease bandwith from existing towers.  Though the tower I was guessing at is registered to AT&T, other carriers do use it to put through their cell service. Here are all the registered cell towers in Escondido.  None of them are registered to Verizon so they have to be leasing bandwidth off one of the other carriers.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 05, 2010, 12:17:39 AM
I talked with Carrie and the tower is Verizon and not AT&T
she will get the location and post it for us..



A location would help tons, Long and Lat would be the best but I would settle for anything.  FCC does not require all towers to be registered and a lot of cell companies lease bandwith from existing towers.  Though the tower I was guessing at is registered to AT&T, other carriers do use it to put through their cell service. Here are all the registered cell towers in Escondido.  None of them are registered to Verizon so they have to be leasing bandwidth off one of the other carriers.

Hi Northern Rose,
I think Carrie is trying to figure out who Verizon leases from. Do you have any idea?




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 12:29:36 AM
I talked with Carrie and the tower is Verizon and not AT&T
she will get the location and post it for us..



A location would help tons, Long and Lat would be the best but I would settle for anything.  FCC does not require all towers to be registered and a lot of cell companies lease bandwith from existing towers.  Though the tower I was guessing at is registered to AT&T, other carriers do use it to put through their cell service. Here are all the registered cell towers in Escondido.  None of them are registered to Verizon so they have to be leasing bandwidth off one of the other carriers.

Hi Northern Rose,
I think Carrie is trying to figure out who Verizon leases from. Do you have any idea?



None.  Whoever gave them the best deal for bandwidth and no idea who that is.  All the towers in Escondio are registered to either AT&T, American Tower, or Crown Castle Gt. Contacts and phone number for each of the three companies as well as their respective towers can be found here http://www.city-data.com/towers/cell-Escondido-California.html  She may have to contact the registrants to find out as I do not believe Verizon has one tower of their own anywhere, but could be wrong. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 05, 2010, 12:41:16 AM
Hi Northern Rose,
I am almost positive that it is the tower that is closest to Hidden Meadows. This would coincide with what Carrie told me before, that it is near Deer Springs Rd which is across the way from the street that leads up into Hidden Meadows.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Edward on January 05, 2010, 12:49:02 AM
Sex offender list in Escondido..
I do not know how accurate it is..

ANAYA,PHILIMON
1268 N BROADWAY # A ,Escondido,CA 92026

ARENA,JOSEPH
344 W 6TH AVE ,Escondido,CA 92025

AVERY,RICHARD LAWRENCE
1729 SUMMIT DR ,Escondido,CA 92027

BENITEZ,JUAN MILAN
1422 N ASH ST ,Escondido,CA 92027

BERRY,NED ANDREW
2035 S ESCONDIDO BLVD # 103 ,Escondido,CA 92025

BROWN,RONALD CORNWELL
3252 BEVEN DR ,Escondido,CA 92027

BROWN,STEVEN MARK
2040 MARK AVE ,Escondido,CA 92027

BURGESS,MICHAEL LITZSINGER
2733 CAMERON PL ,Escondido,CA 92027

BUSSE,JASON PAUL
1670 E EL NORTE # 15 ,Escondido,CA 92027

BUTLER,JOHN PATRICK
900 HOWARD AVE # 30 ,Escondido,CA 92029

CALLAN,MARK STEVEN
1320 TAFT ST ,Escondido,CA 92026

CANNON,JAMES REUBEN
1184 N ESCONDIDO BLVD # A ,Escondido,CA 92026

CARDIEL,JOSE LUIS
1213 REMBRANT GLEN ,Escondido,CA 92026

CARO,JOHN
1750 W CITRACADO PKWY # 104 ,Escondido,CA 92029

CHRISTMAN,ROBERT B
596 MONTVIEW DR ,Escondido,CA 92025

CHU,KEN
456 SWANSEA GL ,Escondido,CA 92027

CRISOSTOMO,MICHAEL A
1748 ACORN ST ,Escondido,CA 92027

CRUZ,RUBIN
322 VISTA AVE ,Escondido,CA 92026

CUSTER,CALVIN C
965 W LINCOLN AVE # 12A ,Escondido,CA 92026

DAILEY,CHARLES STANTON
2650 S ESCONDIDO BLVD # 210 ,Escondido,CA 92025

DAVIES,BRAD FRANKLIN
24840 LAKE WOHLFORD CT ,Escondido,CA 92027

DOLL,COLEMAN BERNARD
1051 W EL NORTE PKWY # 153 ,Escondido,CA 92026

ELKINS,BERNARD FISHER
9 LARRY LANE ,Escondido,CA 92025

ERICKSON,DOUGLASS SCOTT
3055 PECAN PL # 5 ,Escondido,CA 92027

FENDER,STEVEN A
849 MILLS ST ,Escondido,CA 92027

FERDMAN,ERIK MICAH
453 CORNWALL GLEN ,Escondido,CA 92027

FERNANDEZ,ANTIONIO
1454 E WASHINGTON ,Escondido,CA 92027

FORCIER,JAMES DAVID
2426 HARMONY GROVE RD ,Escondido,CA 92029

FRAZEE,WILLIAM CLARENCE
30012 HWY 395 SP-117 ,Escondido,CA 92026

GARCIA,RUDY
1822 LORETO GLEN ,Escondido,CA 92027

GARDNER,JOHN ALBERT
1050 ROCK SPRINGS RD # 113 ,Escondido,CA 92026

GASPER,DARRIN MICHAEL
550 W WASHINGTON AVE # B ,Escondido,CA 92025

GONZALEZ,GUSTAVO GONZALEZ
20702 ELFIN FOREST ROAD ,Escondido,CA 92029

GONZALEZ,WILLIAM MORENO
837 E LINCOLN AVENUE ,Escondido,CA 92026

GRANET,ANTHONY JOHNIII
2460 BEAR VALLEY PKWY # 130 ,Escondido,CA 92027

GRISSOM,DANNY LEON
1140 HARDING ST ,Escondido,CA 92027

HAYDEN,LOREN
1345 MORNING VIEW DR # 146 ,Escondido,CA 92026

HOBBS,TROY L
550 W WASHINGTON AVE # B ,Escondido,CA 92025

HOLM,FRANCIS ERIC
1555 HIGHGROVE DRIVE ,Escondido,CA 92027

HORTON,SIDNEY LYNN
119 W 5TH AVE # 3 ,Escondido,CA 92025

INMAN,STEVEN CARL
904 E 3RD AVE ,Escondido,CA 92025

JACQUEMART,JOHN PIPER
301 W VERMONT # 116 ,Escondido,CA 92025

JACQUES,LIONEL PHILLIP
1030 E WASHINGTON AVE # 115 ,Escondido,CA 92025

JEORGESON,RICHARD ALAN
1059 E VALLEY PKWY # C ,Escondido,CA 92025

JOHNSON,JAMES RICHARD
25464 LAKE WOHLFORD RD # LW300 ,Escondido,CA 92027

JONES,RICHARD WARREN
1934 KENORA DR ,Escondido,CA 92027

JUAREZ,RICARDO
525 W EL NORTE PKWY # 269 ,Escondido,CA 92026

KEYES,GRAHAM L
613 W 10TH AVE ,Escondido,CA 92025

KITTLE,ARNOLD EARL
530 N MIDWAY DR # 26 ,Escondido,CA 92027

LEECH,TIMOTHY WILBUR
27038 N. BROADWAY ,Escondido,CA 92026

LEGG,MICHAEL ALAN
1335 BROADWAY PL ,Escondido,CA 92025

LONG,ROY HENDRIX
360 S HICKORY # 5 ,Escondido,CA 92025

LOPEZ,JOSE AMBROSIO
211 N CITRUS # 26 ,Escondido,CA 92027

LOPEZ,MANUEL A
1228 HOOVER ST ,Escondido,CA 92027

MAHONEY,MICHAEL MELVIN
2094 E. GRAND AVE # 40 ,Escondido,CA 92027

MATCHETT,MATTHEW WILLIAM
1468 LA HONDA ,Escondido,CA 92027

MCGHEE,DANIEL RIDGE
145 W FELICITA AVE #3 ,Escondido,CA 92025

MELANSON,BOBBY RAY
636 FOY LANE ,Escondido,CA 92025

MIDDLETON,ROBERT JAMES
1070 E WASHINGTON AVE # 29 ,Escondido,CA 92025

MILLER,JADIR ALEXNADER
722 PARK PL ,Escondido,CA 92025

MINER,CLEMENT EUGENE
1643 E GRAND AVE # D ,Escondido,CA 92027

MOELLMAN,DANIEL MICHAEL
1375 N BROADWAY # A5 ,Escondido,CA 92026

MONTOYA,VALENTINE
1260 N ROSE ST ,Escondido,CA 92027

MORRIS,JOHN K
1001 S HALE # 102 ,Escondido,CA 92029

MUNOZ,GILLBERTO HERNANDEZ
1596 S ESCONDIDO BLVD # 8 ,Escondido,CA 92025

NEEDHAM,MATTHEW WALLACE
2550 E VALLEY PKWY # 45 ,Escondido,CA 92027

OLIVAS,TRACEY
965 W LINCOLN AVE # 22 ,Escondido,CA 92026

ORTEGA,JOHN
1070 E WASHINGTON # 1 ,Escondido,CA 92025

PAGE,KARL ROMANUS
1281 AVOCADO AVE ,Escondido,CA 92026

PALMORE,JAMES
357 LANSING CIRCLE # D ,Escondido,CA 92025

PARKER,RODNEY A
834 GOLDENROD ,Escondido,CA 92027

PATTERSON,GLEN ALAN
1600 W 9TH AVE # 6B ,Escondido,CA 92029

POTTER,SCOTT WAYNE
123 FARLAND PL ,Escondido,CA 92027

PRINCE,ROLAND MARK
326 E FELICITA AVE # 12 ,Escondido,CA 92025

QUINN,RICHARD TAYLOR
704 S MAPLE ST ,Escondido,CA 92025

RAMIREZ,DAVID PAUL
23649 OLD WAGON RD ,Escondido,CA 92027

RANGEL,FERNANDO
713 N CITRUS AVE ,Escondido,CA 92027

ROACH,JOHN JOSEPH
755 CHESTNUT ST ,Escondido,CA 92025

RODIRIGUEZ,RUBEN
1343 MORNING VIEW DR # 308 ,Escondido,CA 92026

RODRIGUEZ,JOHN GALINDO
421 E MISSION # 408 ,Escondido,CA 92025

SHOVER,ROBERT PAUL
550 W WASHINGTON AVE # B ,Escondido,CA 92025

SNOW,DAVID K
730 MONTVIEW DR ,Escondido,CA 92025

SOMERA,JAMIE TODD
935 E WASHINGTON AVE 3 ,Escondido,CA 92025

STANLEY,WILLIAM
8310 NELSON WAY MAINT #2 ,Escondido,CA 92026

STAPLES,RHONDA SUE
530 N MIDWAY DR # 27 ,Escondido,CA 92027

STEINER,HARLAN RUSSELL
506 SMOKETREE GLEN ,Escondido,CA 92026

STUBER,JOSEPH ANDREW
2149 MOUNTAIN VIEW DR ,Escondido,CA 92027

SUSSMANN,ANDREW ROBERT
432 TERRACE AVE ,Escondido,CA 92026

THOMPSON,DAVID LEE
201 SAN PASQUAL VALLEY RD # 201 ,Escondido,CA 92025

TODD,WILLIAM
1600 W 9TH AVE # A11 ,Escondido,CA 92029

TRACY,MERRILL OLIVER
30012 OLD HWY 395 # 82 ,Escondido,CA 92026

VAQUERA,GILBERT EDWARD
1892 LORETO GLEN ,Escondido,CA 92027

VILLALOBOS,EDGAR ULISES
965 W LINCOLN AVE # 30-E ,Escondido,CA 92026

XAYACHAK,KHAMPHONETHY
427 W 4TH AVE # K ,Escondido,CA 92025

YOUNGHUSBAND,RICHARD IRVING
421 E MISSION AVE # 305B ,Escondido,CA 92025

http://www.zirana.com/escondido/registered_sex_offenders_map.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 05, 2010, 12:51:43 AM
Hi Northern Rose,
I am almost positive that it is the tower that is closest to Hidden Meadows. This would coincide with what Carrie told me before, that it is near Deer Springs Rd which is across the way from the street that leads up into Hidden Meadows.

Apparently as there does not appear to be any other towers listed.. Carriers must share a tower ??
All of them have there OWN Dish on the tower ??
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 05, 2010, 12:53:52 AM
http://www.umatillacounty.net/corrections/Clay-B.htm

It looks like this SO got dumped into Escondido. I cannot find a date on this. He also does not appear to be on the Escondido SO list.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 05, 2010, 01:01:56 AM
http://www.sandiego.gov/police/about/media/pdf/2007/pliskasvp031607.pdf

This guy is HIGH RISK but not on the list


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 10:41:22 AM
Hi Northern Rose,
I am almost positive that it is the tower that is closest to Hidden Meadows. This would coincide with what Carrie told me before, that it is near Deer Springs Rd which is across the way from the street that leads up into Hidden Meadows.

If I am understanding correctly then the one that I guessed at is the correct one.  Deer Springs Rd turns into Mountain Meadows on the east side of 15 and that is the access to Hidden Meadows?  I wish I was in the area as I would be driving around Hidden Meadows right now looking for a cell mast that may not be registered. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 11:28:09 AM
Hi Northern Rose,
I am almost positive that it is the tower that is closest to Hidden Meadows. This would coincide with what Carrie told me before, that it is near Deer Springs Rd which is across the way from the street that leads up into Hidden Meadows.

Apparently as there does not appear to be any other towers listed.. Carriers must share a tower ??
All of them have there OWN Dish on the tower ??
 

The large antenna mast can have many carriers but each carrier has its own antenna array and triangular platform.  Triangular as they split the 360 degrees into 3 -120 degree slices and then each 120 degree slice into 40 degree slices for better coverage.  The antenna array picks up the cell signal and sends it down the antenna tower to equipment that is in what looks like lockers or electrical boxes for newer sites and walk in buildings for older sites on the ground near the tower.  These are hardwired up the mast to the array.  This ground equipment is what talks to the phone or pings it as being in range ready to send or receive and does the hand off to the next tower as you get out of range.  Each company has their own switching equipment (ground equipment) with backup batteries on the ground and antenna array on the mast.  If you see a round dish on a tower it means that carrier has a line of sight microwave backhaul.  Follow the way the dish points and you find the next dish as they have to be line of sight.

I showed my hubby the aerial view of the tower site at the end of Mesa and his guess was there is at least 3 carriers sharing that cell site and that the middle tower is more than likely a wireless point of sale system but could be a cell tower as well, he cannot tell for sure as he can not see what the equipment at the base looks like.  It has three towers but is one cell site.  He made me mark up the images with his guesses.  I take no credit for the explanation of how this works, it is his schtick.   
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 05, 2010, 12:19:06 PM
Only 3 of the S.O. mentioned so far live within the green ring Northern Rose laid out.

They are the ones I am concerned with unless we can put any more in the green ring.

One of those tried to abduct and is in jail with a girlfriend who is probably out already.
One of those lives directly across the street from the football stadium at the high school
One of them lives near the cell site.

so far...there may be more.

These are the ones that LE needs to psychically question concerning the disappearance of Amber.
They need to violate there civil rights and search there homes and vehicles.. They need to question anyone associated to them as to the jewlry. Look in there junk piles for the backpack.
Look for cloth or the valentines day gifts.. or that check her mom gave her as these type of personalities like to collect things from there victims.

It would be great if police arrived at one of these guys homes and found Amber alive !!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 05, 2010, 04:35:38 PM
I had to go back and reread some of this..

OK .The guy wanted does not live across the street from the school ?

How could he be wanted and have a street address.. lol

So there is only 2 S.O. inside the green ring.. The one I am really interested in is the one who attempted to abduct the 19 year old girl and who appears to have lived at a home belonging to his girlfriend in Hidden Meadows..

That one for sure ..



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 05, 2010, 04:41:04 PM
I had to go back and reread some of this..

OK .The guy wanted does not live across the street from the school ?

How could he be wanted and have a street address.. lol

So there is only 2 S.O. inside the green ring.. The one I am really interested in is the one who attempted to abduct the 19 year old girl and who appears to have lived at a home belonging to his girlfriend in Hidden Meadows..

That one for sure ..



The guy wanted is on the run, no one knows where he is.  The house across the street has similarities to the interrests of the guy on the run (old cars), plus it has bars on the back windows as well as plywood with just enough opening to let some light in and a white van is parked in one image in front.  It also has a trailer under a tarp .........


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 06, 2010, 08:32:00 AM
I had to go back and reread some of this..

OK .The guy wanted does not live across the street from the school ?

How could he be wanted and have a street address.. lol

So there is only 2 S.O. inside the green ring.. The one I am really interested in is the one who attempted to abduct the 19 year old girl and who appears to have lived at a home belonging to his girlfriend in Hidden Meadows..

That one for sure ..



The guy wanted is on the run, no one knows where he is.  The house across the street has similarities to the interrests of the guy on the run (old cars), plus it has bars on the back windows as well as plywood with just enough opening to let some light in and a white van is parked in one image in front.  It also has a trailer under a tarp .........

What is the address for the house across the street from the school?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 06, 2010, 09:41:58 AM
We just have a picture of it.. and there is no proof he lives there.. What was noted was this..
What is in the yard is a 65-66 mustang and this S.O. we are referring too likes old cars and race cars..
So I think it is more of a What If he lives across the street from the football stadium. ?
Anyway he is on the Run from Federal Marshals and he has no address.




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on January 06, 2010, 07:46:28 PM
I don't know if this was discussed before on this thread. If it has I apologize, because I am only on page 21 of 95 pages to read through on this thread alone. Anyway, the young boy that Amber was seen with, does anyone think he could have been a decoy to lour Amber to a waiting vehicle. I have read or watched news coverage of perp's before and they used a decoy. For example Pervert Kenneth Parnell ( I think my name is Stephen) used decoy's to lour his victims. Michael Devtin used the first boy to help with the second boy. Not sure about Phillip Garrido he could have used his wife to help him. Also what I have noticed about the perp's who abduct, is there average age at the time is approx 40. I also notice that none of them left the states they lived in. They abducted in a small towns and live not far in another small town.

The ping from the tower on that Saturday after noon could have been the perp driving back to the area to see if a search had been started and how much if any evidence had been left behind. Her phone could be what is in the green circle.

I also did a quick search on Black Market babies. It's a multi million dollar a year business, but every thing info wise is after the fact......If you think your adoption was illegal call the FBI kind of thing. It does not look like they are searching for any baby making farms. Not that it has not happened before. A lady from Hungry brought young girls to the U.S. just for the purpose of pumpping out babies. She paid the girls a fee and the highest price went to the ones who could produce a light skinned, blue eyed baby. This was back in the 50's and 60's. Another baby farm was a women who let pregnant girls stay in her home and after the babies were born she told the mother that the baby had died, but really sold it to the highest bidder. Joan Crawfords children were black market babies. The Tipton (male Jazz musician who was discovered to be a women after death) boy's were black market babies and all three boys had illegal adoption papers.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 07, 2010, 12:39:11 AM
ArmChairAnalysist

Yes the boy could be a lure/decoy to get her someplace.. without a doubt somebody to lead her in.

I created a thread to study the baby for sale trade..
You can copy and post any article you can find the the subject.. Always post a link also.
I posted a few currant ones I had come across. It covered most of the world..
Here is the link to the thread .." Babies for Sale"
  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6854.0


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: canadianmonkey on January 07, 2010, 02:24:23 PM
Happy New Year Everyone.

I've been away for awhile and I'm trying to get caught up.  I'm glad to see so much disscussion on Amber. 

Has anyone heard any more about the skulls that were found?  Do we know how long it might be before they can identify whose skulls they are?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on January 07, 2010, 09:09:07 PM
If the boy was involved, that makes two people who know what happen to Amber. If the red truck was also involved that makes three people who know where Amber might be. SO's do have friends (possibly SO’s) I don’t think they have many friends, but one friend is all they would need. I don't know how that helps us, but it only takes one mouth to open.

Also reading back (I'm on about page 25) someone said the perp could work as a security guard. My immediate thought was that Escondido does not have a lot of high rise buildings that would require nighttime security guards. This morning I remembered that I once went to a garage sale somewhere on Rincon Road. It was a gated community with a guardhouse and a security guard inside. He told me they had two other entrances and to go around to gate one. I never did find Gate one but that area by the school has several gated communities with guardhouses. There is one on Broadway not far from the “bring Amber home” sign. If they have a security guard in the guardhouse in the early morning hours this perp could have been watched Amber walk to school every day. I'm guessing, but the HomeOwners Association that takes care of the gated community would hire the security guard.

Has any one checked into this or is it time we do a fake outing and pick up employment applications for a fake son. We could check into graveyard shifts (time in time out), if they use company vehicles for guards to run errands. How extensive are their background checks. Did they have any employees who where registered SO’s, drove a red truck or quite their job mid February.

Are we allowed to do any gum-shoeing on the case or is that not allowed.



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 08, 2010, 12:58:22 AM
If this were in my zone I would have been GumShoing the whole time. ::MonkeyWink::

I cant tell you too do it..  ::MonkeyNoNo::

But I can tell you I would if it were in my living area.   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 08, 2010, 11:30:53 AM
Hi Northern Rose

I hope you got that contact info I sent you..


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 03:05:20 PM
Hi Northern Rose

I hope you got that contact info I sent you..


Yes, thank you.  Just popped in to see if we heard which cell tower has been confirmed.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on January 08, 2010, 08:38:55 PM
My first day as a gumshoe, I walked into the managers office and was hit with the strong odor of cheap perfume. Just a little humor but I swear it’s true.  Quail Creek Apartments – The Stellrect Company out of Huntington Beach either own or property manage- A gated 55 plus 104 unit complex has no night security. Looks like two seniors work in the office. Seniors would be up at that time of the morning and would be possible witnesses.

We have River Village Apartments next to the school a 123 Units complex. No one on site, no one answered on phone. The reviews on google are mixed not enough parking spaces leaving you to park on the street to a nice and quite complex. This complex is right next to the school. In my opinion to close to school

Now it gets interesting and I’m changing my theory completely as to predator.

Meadowbrook Village Christian Retirement Community has the Guard shack, but it was empty and gate was closed. This is a new development that has (none today) construction on going. Web site WWW.meadowbrookvillage.org  I checked and they are not hiring, it is a 104 unit of cottage and apartment assisted and unassisted senior Christian living community. The web site has pictures of the windmill type tower that they are building. Big high Tower. This is an exclusive so not cheap senior living facility.  If the LE has not asked for them to turn over all the photographs and allowed them to come in and look at the grounds before they continue any more development, they are crazy.  Again I’m thinking outside the box and I will explain in a minute.

I did go down Vista street which is a short street distance to Paradise St. On Vista is a Christian School. Other side and field of grass belonging to the school. Just on a side note across the street from the school is the Plymouth House Youth Center (I think again a Christian Youth Center)

Anyone who drives through this neighborhood would think safe with a capital S. it screams upper class church loyal neighborhood. In my opinion the perp is someone in the Christian community. In order for him to not be noticed he would have had to look just like the rest of the community – upper middle class working squeaky-clean citizen of society. If you look at the pictures of the construction workers on the Meadowbrook web site they are cleaner then any crew I’ve ever seen. I think an unshaven SO in thrift store threads would have been noticed, left a smoking tail to follow so to speak.

Again just my gumshoe observation.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 09:04:16 PM
My first day as a gumshoe, I walked into the managers office and was hit with the strong odor of cheap perfume. Just a little humor but I swear it’s true.  Quail Creek Apartments – The Stellrect Company out of Huntington Beach either own or property manage- A gated 55 plus 104 unit complex has no night security. Looks like two seniors work in the office. Seniors would be up at that time of the morning and would be possible witnesses.

We have River Village Apartments next to the school a 123 Units complex. No one on site, no one answered on phone. The reviews on google are mixed not enough parking spaces leaving you to park on the street to a nice and quite complex. This complex is right next to the school. In my opinion to close to school

Now it gets interesting and I’m changing my theory completely as to predator.

Meadowbrook Village Christian Retirement Community has the Guard shack, but it was empty and gate was closed. This is a new development that has (none today) construction on going. Web site WWW.meadowbrookvillage.org  I checked and they are not hiring, it is a 104 unit of cottage and apartment assisted and unassisted senior Christian living community. The web site has pictures of the windmill type tower that they are building. Big high Tower. This is an exclusive so not cheap senior living facility.  If the LE has not asked for them to turn over all the photographs and allowed them to come in and look at the grounds before they continue any more development, they are crazy.  Again I’m thinking outside the box and I will explain in a minute.

I did go down Vista street which is a short street distance to Paradise St. On Vista is a Christian School. Other side and field of grass belonging to the school. Just on a side note across the street from the school is the Plymouth House Youth Center (I think again a Christian Youth Center)

Anyone who drives through this neighborhood would think safe with a capital S. it screams upper class church loyal neighborhood. In my opinion the perp is someone in the Christian community. In order for him to not be noticed he would have had to look just like the rest of the community – upper middle class working squeaky-clean citizen of society. If you look at the pictures of the construction workers on the Meadowbrook web site they are cleaner then any crew I’ve ever seen. I think an unshaven SO in thrift store threads would have been noticed, left a smoking tail to follow so to speak.

Again just my gumshoe observation.


Great work!  Do you know if the traffic cameras on all four corners of N Broadway and Vista were there at the time of Amber going missing? 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 08, 2010, 09:10:14 PM
Sorry for the O/T

Edward - when you have some time would you look at Gabriel Johnson's thread.  It is looking more and more that this 8 month old baby was either sold by his mother or handed off to an underground adoption agency in the San Antonio Tx to Victoria TX area.  Last known ping from mother's phone was Victoria TX heading toward the Mexican border.  Mother was captured on video cameras the same day in San Antonio boarding a Tornado Bus heading to Fort Lauderdale Florida without her son.  We have child trafficking questions if you have time to get up to speed we could sure use your expertise.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6843.0

again sorry for the OT


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondito
Post by: Lovinlife on January 08, 2010, 09:18:07 PM
Sebastian and all ~ Could you please get clarification on the psychic?

Sebastian said:  "I have heard that a psychic is saying that Amber was taken across the street from the high school where there are walls?"

My interpretation is always so literal of what a psychic says which makes them seem not to make any sense to me...  Did he/she actually say "High School"?  or "school"?  The reason that I ask is in reviewing the street level maps of the area with fresh eyes, The Whole Child Montessori School is located at 1800 North Broadway on the East side of the street between Brava Pl & Bahia Ln.  Almost directly accross N. Broadway located at 1815 N. Broadway is Quail Creek Apts which is walled & gated.  Is that a senior housing facility?  Can anyone do a search for RSO's living or working there?  What is that in relation to the last place Amber was seen?  I assume that if they have suveilance video that EPD would have already reviewed the tapes?


TIA, Lovinlife

BUMP for ArmChairAnalysist.  Welcome to Scared Monkeys!  Nice to have you here and thank you for the info. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Lovinlife on January 08, 2010, 09:20:22 PM
Duh, I bumped that up because Quail Creek Apts stuck out at me too.  From Google Earth, 2400 miles away. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: piwannaberookie on January 08, 2010, 09:37:43 PM
hello this is my first post on this board. On valentines day at my college (msjc in san jacinto) (2007) when I was getting out of my car an old skinny man(a jehovah witness) gave me a valentine card. The man was sitting in his car and watching me, he was parked in the parking lot  where I was parked. I opened the valentine and it was some Jehovah witness propaganda or Mormon propaganda about Jesus and getting saved and all that stuff it was creepy and had hearts and all this weird crap, no offense to those in here that are mormon or Jehovah's witnesses, just trying to prove my point, I think that maybe the person who took amber may have been a Jehovah witness and he may have given amber a valentine that had chloroform in it and grabbed her as he put the a napkin of cholorofm to cover her mouth so no one could hear her scream. I'm sure law enforcement knows everything about the area and that police and probation officers have no intent in sharing with the public what they know about the sex offenders in escondido. I think that if you could take a look at the sex offenders that are not on probation within the time period amber went missing there could be a clue as to who is not being watched as closely as one who is, if that makes any sense. I am in temecula and I can tell you there are a couple S.O.'s out there and are looking for somebody. I would think law enforcement puts decoys (officers that look like or disguised as minors) out there in escondido all the time to catch S.O's but that would probablly make it entrapment and unlawful, I am not trying to give any ideas for anybody but if you want to find a missing young person that would seem like a good idea.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 08, 2010, 09:40:04 PM
Nice..  ::MonkeyCool::

I am going to read this again and digest it before asking you questions..

Thank You very much.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 08, 2010, 10:04:09 PM
hello this is my first post on this board. On valentines day at my college (msjc in san jacinto) (2007) when I was getting out of my car an old skinny man(a jehovah witness) gave me a valentine card. The man was sitting in his car and watching me, he was parked in the parking lot  where I was parked. I opened the valentine and it was some Jehovah witness propaganda or Mormon propaganda about Jesus and getting saved and all that stuff it was creepy and had hearts and all this weird crap, no offense to those in here that are mormon or Jehovah's witnesses, just trying to prove my point, I think that maybe the person who took amber may have been a Jehovah witness and he may have given amber a valentine that had chloroform in it and grabbed her as he put the a napkin of cholorofm to cover her mouth so no one could hear her scream. I'm sure law enforcement knows everything about the area and that police and probation officers have no intent in sharing with the public what they know about the sex offenders in escondido. I think that if you could take a look at the sex offenders that are not on probation within the time period amber went missing there could be a clue as to who is not being watched as closely as one who is, if that makes any sense. I am in temecula and I can tell you there are a couple S.O.'s out there and are looking for somebody. I would think law enforcement puts decoys (officers that look like or disguised as minors) out there in escondido all the time to catch S.O's but that would probablly make it entrapment and unlawful, I am not trying to give any ideas for anybody but if you want to find a missing young person that would seem like a good idea.

Hi Pi!
Welcome to Scared Monkeys! This is an interesting idea indeed! We have a missing sex offender right now that has ties to Escondido and does not look like a bum. He was with the Jehova Witnesses and apparently abused kids from the church.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 08, 2010, 10:05:38 PM
My first day as a gumshoe, I walked into the managers office and was hit with the strong odor of cheap perfume. Just a little humor but I swear it’s true.  Quail Creek Apartments – The Stellrect Company out of Huntington Beach either own or property manage- A gated 55 plus 104 unit complex has no night security. Looks like two seniors work in the office. Seniors would be up at that time of the morning and would be possible witnesses.

We have River Village Apartments next to the school a 123 Units complex. No one on site, no one answered on phone. The reviews on google are mixed not enough parking spaces leaving you to park on the street to a nice and quite complex. This complex is right next to the school. In my opinion to close to school

Now it gets interesting and I’m changing my theory completely as to predator.

Meadowbrook Village Christian Retirement Community has the Guard shack, but it was empty and gate was closed. This is a new development that has (none today) construction on going. Web site WWW.meadowbrookvillage.org  I checked and they are not hiring, it is a 104 unit of cottage and apartment assisted and unassisted senior Christian living community. The web site has pictures of the windmill type tower that they are building. Big high Tower. This is an exclusive so not cheap senior living facility.  If the LE has not asked for them to turn over all the photographs and allowed them to come in and look at the grounds before they continue any more development, they are crazy.  Again I’m thinking outside the box and I will explain in a minute.

I did go down Vista street which is a short street distance to Paradise St. On Vista is a Christian School. Other side and field of grass belonging to the school. Just on a side note across the street from the school is the Plymouth House Youth Center (I think again a Christian Youth Center)

Anyone who drives through this neighborhood would think safe with a capital S. it screams upper class church loyal neighborhood. In my opinion the perp is someone in the Christian community. In order for him to not be noticed he would have had to look just like the rest of the community – upper middle class working squeaky-clean citizen of society. If you look at the pictures of the construction workers on the Meadowbrook web site they are cleaner then any crew I’ve ever seen. I think an unshaven SO in thrift store threads would have been noticed, left a smoking tail to follow so to speak.

Again just my gumshoe observation.


The neighborhood is nice, but bare in mind that there are many many sex offenders in the area. That just tells you that not all SO's are poor and homeless. They are from all walks of life and economic status. You be careful out there!


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: 4getUnot on January 09, 2010, 04:15:13 AM
I'm running backwards a few posts. Someone mentioned a Church short cut that the kids can take to school. This happened on Valentines day, has anyone checked if there was a worker at the church that morning. These SO and killers often seem to hide behind the church.  Did the LE check to see if any SO's worked at the church? Also the Church has a parking lot, where there any cars in the parking lot that morning? Have they ever had a problem with anyone parked cars in the parking lot? 

I read somewhere that they abduct in there own comfort zone. So the perp must have lived, worked or driven that route for a long time. Has anyone ever checked to see if there have been other 7:00 a.m. abductions? Leaving behind no trace is tuff.

I almost hate to post this as it will add so much more possibilities into the mix. But.........I am pretty sure that Carrie told me that they talked to people at the church and no one saw anything. HOWEVER, I am almost positive that Carrie found out that they hold AA meetings at that time of the morning. I think they talked to some of those people as well.

Welcome ArmChairAnalysist and Piwannaberookie !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::HelloKitty::  Glad you joined us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had to add a comment to the above post.  I was checking out the churches in the vicinity also.  ITA on SO's and predators using churches for cover to hide behind.  There is a church on the corner of Visa and Broadway that Amber would have passed on her way to school that morning.  It was raining someone could have offered her a ride, someone she had seen before or maybe many times before in passing.  They could have been making sure they waved at her every morning making her feel comfortable with them being there every morning so that if they offered her a ride she would think it was ok because she knew they worked at the church and she had seen them there every morning.  It's not far just up to the school no problem to give her a ride, would seem like a nice innocent gesture on a rainy morning.  She probably would have willingly and naively got into the vehicle without any fear until he turned in a direction away from the school or drove right by it.  If he drove right by the school he could have said oops its so hard to see in the rain I missed the turn.  Or maybe he struggled with her a little in the vehicle but if the windows were foggy and wet from the rain it would be hard to see what might have been going on in there.  Anyway just my opinion so I look at the place a little closer and the staff and pastors at the church have their pictures posted on the web site.  Nice color pictures except for one that is black and white. I found that odd.
Take a look for yourself at the link below
http://www.escondidourc.org/staff2.html

Also after catching up on previous post there were references made to Mexico.  This church has a very active youth ministry and they have made several trips to Mexico.  They have those pictures posted as well.
Here is the link to the church
http://www.escondidourc.org/

Could be something that needs to be checked out, I don't know.  Just thought I'd throw it out there FWIW.







Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on January 09, 2010, 06:24:11 PM
For those of you who do not live in or ever been to Escondido let me give you a personal image. If you take the Center City exit off of Interstate 15 you can drive straight down the street 10 miles and you are driving out of town on old hwy 395. I think is called rainbow road, and it runs right along side the Interstate 15. A beautiful mountain 25 mile drive to Temecula CA. Escondido is predominately Hispanic… many illegal. Many of their children are funded by the sate. In Escondido there are pockets of very nice neighborhoods. Best way to describe it is 1st block getto second block upscale next block getto, next block upscale. This is very confusing, I know because I was raised in Utah and middle to upper class lived on the East Side of town and Low income and poor lived on the West Side of town. California does not have that, everything is mixed together.

Personally I would rule out any missionaries. The Mormon missionaries wear white shirts, black pants, carry a black bike bag and their mod of transportation is a bicycle. You see them walking all over town. They have zero income and share housing with other missionaries.

I live directly across the lawn from a SO (yes I keep my eye on him) and he has not changed his hair style, glasses or type of clothing since his possible 10 year old  SO photo was taken. He keeps to himself and aside from that fact that his personal appearance is outdated. He is very neat (everything has a place) reads a great deal and does not participate in H.O.A. meetings.

I did think of one thing and boy is it ever a long shot, but any search is better then no search. If any of you have a cell phone that you are ready to exchange for a new one, save the phone for testing please. We are assuming the perp is male. It was raining that Saturday, we think we know the cell phone tower that was pinged, we have a green circle that gives us an area. I’m guessing that the perp would have thrown the phone out the car window from the road. To find the distance we need a male person to tie a string on the unwanted cell phone through it out a car window, mark the distance of the string and tell me the feet I would need to walk to start searching for a needle. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 10, 2010, 02:32:22 PM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MOD/modlock5.gif)

bumpity bump


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: piwannaberookie on January 10, 2010, 10:34:11 PM
just looked through riversidesheriff.org sheriff news and read they found remains in cherry valley by cabazon

Date/Time Written: January 10, 2010 6:00 PM
Type of Incident: Suspicious Death Investigation
Date/Time of Incident: January 10, 2010 3:40 PM
Location(s) of Incident: 10000 Block of Roberts Street, Cherry Valley
Reporting Officer: Captain Ross Koepp
File Number: B10010026

View Larger Map 
Details:
On January 10, 2010, at about 3:40 PM, deputies from the Cabazon Sheriff’s Station responded to a report of human skeletal remains, being located in a rural hilly area adjacent to Roberts Street, approximately one mile northwest of Cherry Valley Boulevard, Cherry Valley. Upon arrival, deputies learned that several juveniles had been riding off-road motorcycles in the area when they came upon what they believed to be human skeletal remains. Deputies were, in turn, led back to the location, where deputies, in fact, located a human skull and what appeared to be various other skeletal remains.

The scene was then cordoned off, pending the arrival of Sheriff’s investigators, Sheriff’s forensics and Coroner’s investigators. Preliminary investigation failed to identify the race, age or gender of the decedent, or possible cause of death. It does appear due to extensive animal activity at the site that the remains have been at the location for an extended period of time. Due to the onset of darkness, the investigation and processing of the scene was halted for the evening but will resume in the morning on January 11, 2010.

Anyone with information that may be related to this investigation is encouraged to call investigators at the Cabazon Sheriff's Station at (951) 922-7100.

Add clarification/link
http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/cab-10-0110.htm  MB


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: MuffyBee on January 10, 2010, 10:57:45 PM
Thank you for bringing the article, and welcome to Scared Monkeys piwannaberookie 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 11, 2010, 08:21:00 AM
Walter Henry Dohrn Jr. was reported missing in July 09'. These remains were found apx. 1 mile from where he was last seen.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/dohrn_walter.html


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 11, 2010, 03:49:42 PM
Good find piwannaberookie.. Welcome.

Great cross reference Nut44x4 .. I bet the police are still clueless and you have the match.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: piwannaberookie on January 11, 2010, 10:37:49 PM
good job Nut


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on January 12, 2010, 11:04:19 PM
You guys have to tell me how you do that. Great find.

I'm wondering what the perp used to subdue Amber? There is no way that she got into a vehicle without a fight. Would a stun gun be used? I'm guessing that would make her scream. I know this is around the time Casey Anthony's case was all over the internet. How to make chloroform was a big new method to subdue.

IMO I do think the perp either did a U-turn or did the abduction on the east side of the street. He would avoid interstate 15 worried about Amber alerts and heavy traffic. Driving a car and fighting a 14 year old would be to hard to do. She had to be subdued. He would have needed sleep if he just got off a night shift.

I did run across a burgundy truck with step rail alterations in the parking lot of a pic-n-save on Monday. I photographed the truck and license plates and e-mailed it to the web site.

Thanks for the welcome, I hope to stick around,


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 01:07:43 PM
Skulls found in forest belonged to man, woman

Posted: 01/09/2010 03:45:19 PM PST

ANGELES NATIONAL FOREST - Investigators have determined that two human skulls found in the Angeles National Forest last month belonged to a man and woman, though little other information was known, coroner's officials said.

The man's skull was found by hikers on Dec. 24 near Angeles Forest Highway Mile Marker 19, and the woman's skull was found by investigators two days later about two miles to the south, according to Los Angeles County sheriff's and coroner's officials.

The male skull had what appeared to be a bullet hole in it when discovered, coroner's investigator Jerry McKibben said.

Both people remained listed with the coroner's office as John and Jane Doe, he added.

The man's skull was found by hikers on Dec. 24 near Angeles Forest Highway Mile Marker 19, and the woman's skull was found by investigators two days later about two miles to the south, according to Los Angeles County sheriff's and coroner's officials.

The male skull had what appeared to be a bullet hole in it when discovered, coroner's investigator Jerry McKibben said.

Both people remained listed with the coroner's office as John and Jane Doe, he added.

The remains were discovered in a portion of the forest that was scorched by the Station Fire, and coroner's officials have said they appear to have been there well before the fire broke out in August.

http://**/news/ci_14153547


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 13, 2010, 04:54:35 PM
Thank You Northern Rose

I have no idea who these 2 are but could be anyone.. There are many missing.

What I am waiting for is the skull found in Landers. Have you seen anything on that yet ?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 13, 2010, 05:36:50 PM
No update on the Lander's skull yet.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2010, 10:41:48 PM
Thank You Northern Rose

I have no idea who these 2 are but could be anyone.. There are many missing.

What I am waiting for is the skull found in Landers. Have you seen anything on that yet ?


Nothing at all. 

The 4th skull found by the highway by the person walking their dog was a plaster replica.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 14, 2010, 01:50:59 AM
Hi Northern Rose!
I was told that it could be weeks before they learn anything about the skull in Landers. I am praying that it is not Amber. I am also praying for the loved ones of whoever it ends up being.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 14, 2010, 02:11:14 AM
http://cbs2.com/local/Skeletal.Remains.Cherry.2.1417692.html

More skeletal remains found in Riverside County. I just started following the missing persons cases after Amber went missing. It seems to me that an inordinate amount of remains are being discovered as of late, or is the norm?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 14, 2010, 08:29:53 AM
It's normal... I still have 62 unidentified remains/bodies in my folder from California alone dating back to November of 2007. I am sure there are even more that I do not know about/didn't read about/missed news report, etc. For each day I can remove 1 from my folder for learning an identity, I add 4-8 more of newly found remains. This Country is literally littered with dead bodies and human remains. Many of which will never be found...let alone identified if/when found.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 14, 2010, 12:28:31 PM
It's normal... I still have 62 unidentified remains/bodies in my folder from California alone dating back to November of 2007. I am sure there are even more that I do not know about/didn't read about/missed news report, etc. For each day I can remove 1 from my folder for learning an identity, I add 4-8 more of newly found remains. This Country is literally littered with dead bodies and human remains. Many of which will never be found...let alone identified if/when found.

Hi Nut44x4!
This is disturbing information to say the least. How very sad! I was reading the other day about some remains that were found in New Mexico. It sounds like the powers to be were sweeping it under the rug stating that it was probably an undocumented person. How the heck would they know that? Even if it were, does this family not deserve to know?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 14, 2010, 12:32:21 PM
It's normal... I still have 62 unidentified remains/bodies in my folder from California alone dating back to November of 2007. I am sure there are even more that I do not know about/didn't read about/missed news report, etc. For each day I can remove 1 from my folder for learning an identity, I add 4-8 more of newly found remains. This Country is literally littered with dead bodies and human remains. Many of which will never be found...let alone identified if/when found.

Hi Nut44x4!
This is disturbing information to say the least. How very sad! I was reading the other day about some remains that were found in New Mexico. It sounds like the powers to be were sweeping it under the rug stating that it was probably an undocumented person. How the heck would they know that? Even if it were, does this family not deserve to know?

http://**/ci_14122397

This is the link.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 02:01:45 PM
It's normal... I still have 62 unidentified remains/bodies in my folder from California alone dating back to November of 2007. I am sure there are even more that I do not know about/didn't read about/missed news report, etc. For each day I can remove 1 from my folder for learning an identity, I add 4-8 more of newly found remains. This Country is literally littered with dead bodies and human remains. Many of which will never be found...let alone identified if/when found.

yikes that is horrible. I wonder if most of the unidentified are homeless or transient people? So sad. 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 14, 2010, 05:07:41 PM
(http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site200/2010/0114/20100114_124447_DN15-FOREST-SKULL-NECKLACE.jpg)
Jewelry may help identify skulls found in Angeles National Forest
http://**/california/ci_14186338?nclick_check=1


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: ChiChi on January 14, 2010, 10:20:03 PM
Two possible routes directly to cell tower from school.  Depending on where in the coverage area the cell is, the distance and travel time would change but this gives you an idea.

First route that goes south then onto 15 is 7.4 miles 10 mins

Second route that goes north on N Broadway is 5.2 miles 12 mins.



thanks Northern for the maps

regarding the question as to if all phone companies have a code that you must enter to retrieve voicemails: I have ATT and am in Northern Cali.  All I do is hold down the "1" on my phone and it goes directly to voicemail.  If Amber were hurt, you are right, she would not call voicemail... that does not make any sense.  But if the perp left a message to lure her, they may want to delete it.  Did authorities ever access her voicemails? I don't rememer hearing about that.  My husband made a point that maybe someone found the fone and tried to access the voicemail to see who it belonged to to possibly return it, then could not.  Wonder where it is now...looks like it was fairly close to the school tho.

I
Hi ChiChi,
It is my understanding that all calls coming into the cellphone were checked as well as the voicemails, phone records etc. From my knowledge, the only thing someone did the Saturday after Amber went missing was dial *82 and then hang up?
Hi Sebastian, what is *82?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: ChiChi on January 14, 2010, 10:30:07 PM
MuffyBee

On 3 of my computers the message box is unstable.
I can't lock the characters to highlight them. It goes wild and is uncontrollable.
This has happened since upgrading to windows explorer7 It is also happening on other forums.
 So my question is this. Is this common or just me ?




Edward, do you mean that with each letter you type the screen jumps up and you cannot even see what you are typing?  This happens to me also.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on January 14, 2010, 10:40:49 PM
Edward and chi please try my suggestion. DD told me about it and my screen hasn't done it since. Click the little tab next to your toolbar that looks like a ripped piece of paper. It is the compatibility view tab.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: ChiChi on January 14, 2010, 10:45:18 PM
http://www.sandiego.gov/police/about/media/pdf/2007/pliskasvp031607.pdf

This guy is HIGH RISK but not on the list

what list Sebastian?

see below from Megan's Law...

Last Name: PLISKA  First Name: MARK  Middle Name: WILLIAM 
 
   



 
 
 Description Offenses Scars/Marks/Tattoos Known Aliases
Last Known Address: 275 ESTRELITA DRIVE
VISTA, 92084
County: SAN DIEGO
Zip Code 92084
Date of Birth: 02-24-1954
Sex: MALE
Height: 5'8"
Weight: 170
Eye Color: BROWN
Hair Color: GRAY
Ethnicity: WHITE
 


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 14, 2010, 11:27:09 PM
Two possible routes directly to cell tower from school.  Depending on where in the coverage area the cell is, the distance and travel time would change but this gives you an idea.

First route that goes south then onto 15 is 7.4 miles 10 mins

Second route that goes north on N Broadway is 5.2 miles 12 mins.



thanks Northern for the maps

regarding the question as to if all phone companies have a code that you must enter to retrieve voicemails: I have ATT and am in Northern Cali.  All I do is hold down the "1" on my phone and it goes directly to voicemail.  If Amber were hurt, you are right, she would not call voicemail... that does not make any sense.  But if the perp left a message to lure her, they may want to delete it.  Did authorities ever access her voicemails? I don't rememer hearing about that.  My husband made a point that maybe someone found the fone and tried to access the voicemail to see who it belonged to to possibly return it, then could not.  Wonder where it is now...looks like it was fairly close to the school tho.

I
Hi ChiChi,
It is my understanding that all calls coming into the cellphone were checked as well as the voicemails, phone records etc. From my knowledge, the only thing someone did the Saturday after Amber went missing was dial *82 and then hang up?
Hi Sebastian, what is *82?

Hi ChiChi,
I think that is the way that you can check your messages with Amber's phone.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 14, 2010, 11:28:56 PM
http://www.sandiego.gov/police/about/media/pdf/2007/pliskasvp031607.pdf

This guy is HIGH RISK but not on the list

what list Sebastian?

see below from Megan's Law...

Last Name: PLISKA  First Name: MARK  Middle Name: WILLIAM 

Thank you ChiChi!
This makes me feel better. In the article it said that he was residing in Escondido. I probably checked the Escondido SO list.
 
   



 
 
 Description Offenses Scars/Marks/Tattoos Known Aliases
Last Known Address: 275 ESTRELITA DRIVE
VISTA, 92084
County: SAN DIEGO
Zip Code 92084
Date of Birth: 02-24-1954
Sex: MALE
Height: 5'8"
Weight: 170
Eye Color: BROWN
Hair Color: GRAY
Ethnicity: WHITE
 



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 14, 2010, 11:30:58 PM
(http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site200/2010/0114/20100114_124447_DN15-FOREST-SKULL-NECKLACE.jpg)
Jewelry may help identify skulls found in Angeles National Forest
http://**/california/ci_14186338?nclick_check=1

This jewelry looks like 14k gold and gemstones. Odd that the jewelry is still remaining. If this was foul play, the motive must not have been robbery.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 14, 2010, 11:32:28 PM
(http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site200/2010/0114/20100114_124447_DN15-FOREST-SKULL-NECKLACE.jpg)
Jewelry may help identify skulls found in Angeles National Forest
http://**/california/ci_14186338?nclick_check=1

This jewelry looks like 14k gold and gemstones. Odd that the jewelry is still remaining. If this was foul play, the motive must not have been robbery.

This woman may have been a mother. Many times mothers wear jewelry that is the birthstones of their children. This is very sad indeed.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on January 15, 2010, 12:42:38 PM
If the jewelry is real gold the rings could be specific to a particular jeweler. That would narrow down their search.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on January 15, 2010, 12:45:17 PM
I just did *82 on my phone and it goes to Verizon that tells me it a feature that I do not have.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: ChiChi on January 15, 2010, 12:49:25 PM
Tracygirl,

It only happens when I use the quote feature... like now it is not doing it.  But I do not see this ripped piece of paper that you mentioned.


I agree about the victim being a mother, if in fact that jewerly belongs to the victim.  I thought I read that they were certain it was a male skull?... idk.  I can't imagine anyone missing a family member and not recognizing that jewelry.  Have they posted these pics on the news? I haven't seen anything related to this find other than what has been posted on here.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: ChiChi on January 15, 2010, 12:51:51 PM
It's normal... I still have 62 unidentified remains/bodies in my folder from California alone dating back to November of 2007. I am sure there are even more that I do not know about/didn't read about/missed news report, etc. For each day I can remove 1 from my folder for learning an identity, I add 4-8 more of newly found remains. This Country is literally littered with dead bodies and human remains. Many of which will never be found...let alone identified if/when found.

Hi Nut,

Do they check all these remains against perhaps parental DNA to rule out missing children?  Or other missing people?  Or do they just sit somewhere...


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 15, 2010, 02:43:57 PM
If the jewelry is real gold the rings could be specific to a particular jeweler. That would narrow down their search.

I collect vintage and antique jewelry. Unfortunately this jewelry is common. Hopefully a family member will recognize the photos.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: sebastian on January 15, 2010, 02:45:18 PM
I just did *82 on my phone and it goes to Verizon that tells me it a feature that I do not have.

Exactly! How would the perp know to dial *82?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 15, 2010, 03:33:55 PM
Tracygirl,

It only happens when I use the quote feature... like now it is not doing it.  But I do not see this ripped piece of paper that you mentioned.


I agree about the victim being a mother, if in fact that jewerly belongs to the victim.  I thought I read that they were certain it was a male skull?... idk.  I can't imagine anyone missing a family member and not recognizing that jewelry.  Have they posted these pics on the news? I haven't seen anything related to this find other than what has been posted on here.

2 skulls/same general area. The skull with the apparent bullet hole belonged to a man and the second skull belonged to a woman.


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 15, 2010, 03:35:38 PM
The skulls were found 2 miles apart..



Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Edward on January 15, 2010, 03:40:23 PM
I just did *82 on my phone and it goes to Verizon that tells me it a feature that I do not have.

Exactly! How would the perp know to dial *82?

I have Verizon and pressed 82# notta..nothing
I press 82* notta nothing
I press 82 notta nothing..


So it has to be hooked up to press 82 to call voice mail ?

I am not sure..

It would appear somebody would have to have the knowledge to call 82 in order to get to voice mail.




Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 15, 2010, 04:07:06 PM
Walter Henry Dohrn Jr. was reported missing in July 09'. These remains were found apx. 1 mile from where he was last seen.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/dohrn_walter.html

It's him >>>

Human Remains Identified As Missing Man

Posted: Jan 15, 2010 02:04 PM EST

CHERRY VALLEY - Skeletal remains found in the Cherry Valley area of Riverside County have been identified as those of a 70-year-old Ventura County man reported missing last summer.

The Riverside County authorities on Thursday determined that the remains are those of Walter Dohrn of Ojai.

Authorities say there were no signs of foul play and the cause of death is pending.

Dohrn was seen on July 5 as he left a residence in Cherry Valley about 8:30 p.m. and the next day a witness reported a man matching the description walking toward Interstate 10.

Several searches failed to find Dohrn. His remains were found Jan. 10 by off-road motorcyclists.

http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=11829839


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Tracygirl on January 15, 2010, 06:01:49 PM
I just did *82 on my phone and it goes to Verizon that tells me it a feature that I do not have.

Exactly! How would the perp know to dial *82?

I have Verizon and pressed 82# notta..nothing
I press 82* notta nothing
I press 82 notta nothing..


So it has to be hooked up to press 82 to call voice mail ?

I am not sure..

It would appear somebody would have to have the knowledge to call 82 in order to get to voice mail.




Does verizon prompt you to input a password to get to voicemail? I have Metro PCS and we have to put in a passcode, prior we had ATnT and it did not, I just pressed 1 and off I went to voicemail land and to my messages.
I guess I am trying to figure out what *82 has to do with this? Was that her old passcode?


Title: Re: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 7:10am Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 15, 2010, 06:07:18 PM
I can't take the waiting/watching/checking on this thread any longer. I am locking it now.

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