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Title: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 - 3/1/09
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 21, 2009, 07:03:42 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_445.jpg)

TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803
Post by: Lifesong on February 25, 2009, 10:44:10 AM



I don't think anybody told Tim that there was DNA.  I heard him say it... and I think he
mis-spoke.  I think he meant to say remains.

That's a very good possibility Magnolia.

Was he referring to the fabric, while thinking remains.........and it came out DNA?

Definitely a possibility.

Maybe he meant the fabric did not match Natalee's blouse?  I don't know...


"Tim:  The report we got is the DNA that came back did not match Natalee's DNA and when we located that it looked like more than just a piece of cloth and I mean we, we felt as though we seen a skull in there. We got the Aruba authorities involved, they felt there was something in there, we dove on it and the thing is that's only 1 of over 170 targets out there we still have to investigate, so we've got a lot of work ahead of us."



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803
Post by: Lifesong on February 25, 2009, 10:50:13 AM



I don't think anybody told Tim that there was DNA.  I heard him say it... and I think he
mis-spoke.  I think he meant to say remains.

That's a very good possibility Magnolia.

Was he referring to the fabric, while thinking remains.........and it came out DNA?

Definitely a possibility.

Maybe he meant the fabric did not match Natalee's blouse?  I don't know...


"Tim:  The report we got is the DNA that came back did not match Natalee's DNA and when we located that it looked like more than just a piece of cloth and I mean we, we felt as though we seen a skull in there. We got the Aruba authorities involved, they felt there was something in there, we dove on it and the thing is that's only 1 of over 170 targets out there we still have to investigate, so we've got a lot of work ahead of us."



So sorry, Magnolia - I was grabbing the quote and missed your post at the end of the thread..


Quote
Yes!  DNA had not been mentioned before.  It was obvious confusion on Tim's part.
Confusion that is understandable.
At that point all that had been talked about was the fabric, I think.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 25, 2009, 10:50:25 AM
Lifesong  you got here first and didn't even cheat or cheer.  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 25, 2009, 10:56:02 AM
Lifesong  you got here first and didn't even cheat or cheer.  ::MonkeyDance::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Dang it!

I'm actually sitting with a conference call on the speakerphone pretending to pay attention to the mindless droning on and on of irrelevant issues by folks with an inflated sense of self-importance....

Uh..don't tell them I said that!
 ::MonkeyEek::


 ::cartwheel::   ::cartwheel::   ::cartwheel::

I got here first!
First First First First First First First First!

Take that Mr. Robots!   ::MonkeyTongue::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 25, 2009, 11:08:43 AM
NRC newspaper has a background article about Rudy Croes:

http://www.nrc.nl/achtergrond/article2152321.ece/De_vermeende_macht_van_familie_Croes

the also put the VNO report online in original format:
http://www.nrc.nl/multimedia/archive/00205/week_3_1__205580a.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 25, 2009, 11:14:44 AM

Jen,

Just to clarify...

02/28/2008
Article by Cynthia Cisneros, Houston ABC affiliate (http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5988951), quotes Louis J. Schaefer:
•   “I've dedicated a million dollars, I've gone way above that," said Louis Schafer of Underwater Expeditions.
•   "I feel like it's time to ask for help from the American people that want to see this case solved." 
•   "By Friday, we will have surveyed the entire 50-square mile off Aruba," Schafer said.
•   "We have identified at least 60 of the targets. we have about 150 more targets to inspect."  "So we have completely mapped the ocean floor, we know every object that's there, we know every object that could be a container holding her in the sea,” he said.

Tim Trahan is quoted in the same article:
"And we all feel, I'm speaking from everybody on the team, that she's in one of the targets we have not looked at yet," Tim Trahan of Underwater Expeditions said. "We can't stop. I go to sleep at night thinking we've located it, we just need to get to it."


Is this the quote Tim Trahan actually said on 12/29? 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: johan555 on February 25, 2009, 11:20:04 AM
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/joran_main.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 25, 2009, 11:48:04 AM

Jen,

Just to clarify...

02/28/2008
Article by Cynthia Cisneros, Houston ABC affiliate (http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5988951), quotes Louis J. Schaefer:
•   “I've dedicated a million dollars, I've gone way above that," said Louis Schafer of Underwater Expeditions.
•   "I feel like it's time to ask for help from the American people that want to see this case solved." 
•   "By Friday, we will have surveyed the entire 50-square mile off Aruba," Schafer said.
•   "We have identified at least 60 of the targets. we have about 150 more targets to inspect."  "So we have completely mapped the ocean floor, we know every object that's there, we know every object that could be a container holding her in the sea,” he said.

Tim Trahan is quoted in the same article:
"And we all feel, I'm speaking from everybody on the team, that she's in one of the targets we have not looked at yet," Tim Trahan of Underwater Expeditions said. "We can't stop. I go to sleep at night thinking we've located it, we just need to get to it."


Is this the quote Tim Trahan actually said on 12/29? 



I'm not sure now.......

Search For Natalee HollowayKPLC-TV, LA - 18 hours agoTrahan and Lake Charles native Louis Schaefer Jr. head up Underwater Expeditions around the world. ...
lcpirate.com/2007/12/24/

 Tim Trahan of Underwater Expeditions said. “We can’t stop. I go to sleep at night thinking we’ve located it, we just need to get to it.”


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: bastibro on February 25, 2009, 11:50:57 AM
NRC newspaper has a background article about Rudy Croes:

http://www.nrc.nl/achtergrond/article2152321.ece/De_vermeende_macht_van_familie_Croes

the also put the VNO report online in original format:
http://www.nrc.nl/multimedia/archive/00205/week_3_1__205580a.pdf

Good article in NRC.

Quote
The Aruban OM is in the spotlight since the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway in May 2005. The OM was then known for its Aruban culture. A closed bunker, where the daughter of former pg Theresa Croes-Fernandes Pedra acted difficult as spokesman.

After the arrival of Nico Jörg from the Netherlands, as successor to Croes-Fernandes Pedra, Dutch prosecutors headed for a more Dutch course.

That was in Aruba not always well received. Upon his departure in June last year, Jörg spoke of a "dismal political climate" in Aruba.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 25, 2009, 11:51:57 AM
I contend that a furthering of the coverup which has prevented justice from prevailing for an American citizen was planned in a meeting on board the Persistence a short time prior to the December 30th dive.

I suspect after the Arubans were made aware of the ROV images of December 29, 2007 ... the ROV images that Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller were so sure revealed a trap/cage that contained contents which were case related and ... immediate damage control was where it was at.

I speculate that a short time prior to the second dive on December 30, 2007 ... at a meeting on board the Persistence between the Arubans and John Silvetti ... justice for Natalee Holloway and ... closurer for her family took a back seat and ... for an incentive ... John Silvetti became a participant in "the finale to the great Aruban coverup".

Considering Tim Trahan dove with the Aruban dive team on December 30, 2007 ... I contend that this American also became a player in the betrayal.  In otherwords ... the "thumbs down" was a given.

If the truth was were it was at ... logic would dictates Tim Trahan would let the Skate pass ... wait a minute for the silt to settle and ... observe as well as take photos of the contents.

Instead ... according to Kyle Kingman ... it the Aruban divers who remained and reported that the trap/cage contained nothing case related.

IMO

Janet

_____


Tim Miller
On the Record w/ Greta
February 27, 2008


MILLER: The report we got is the DNA that came back did not match Natalee's DNA and when we located that it looked like more than just a piece of cloth and I mean we, we felt as though we seen a skull in there. We got the Aruba authorities involved, they felt there was something in there, we dove on it and the thing is that's only 1 of over 170 targets out there we still have to investigate, so we've got a lot of work ahead of us.


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment.

Kyle: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.  John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with  me

Kyle: Mr. Red shirt came on the Persistence along with Dolf, Mos, et al for the meeting on the 30th."

Kyle:   This is certainly NOT John Silvetti. I do not know this man. He was with the Arubans who came on board for the Dec-30th meeting.


+++++++

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #743 on: March 18, 2008, 04:30:41 PM »


It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers.  It was a royal mess.  I took a lot of heat for telling Tim Miller anything about the trap that may have prompted him to making the calls to the family.  In my defence, I specifically told Tim not to tell anyone about the trap until the contents are analysed.  He couldn't wait.  He was very emotional, hopeful, and confident.  It was a crushing time for all. Most of all- for Tim Miller, Dave, and Beth.  This was Dec 30th.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366324#msg366324




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 25, 2009, 11:55:48 AM


Part 1 of the Revised Timeline is up here. (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg690372#msg690372)


Klaas - Is it possible to delete all of the other versions in the thread?  I'll have Part 2 - Revised posted in the next hour or two.  Thanks!





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 25, 2009, 12:06:53 PM

Jen,

Just to clarify...

02/28/2008
Article by Cynthia Cisneros, Houston ABC affiliate (http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5988951), quotes Louis J. Schaefer:
•   “I've dedicated a million dollars, I've gone way above that," said Louis Schafer of Underwater Expeditions.
•   "I feel like it's time to ask for help from the American people that want to see this case solved." 
•   "By Friday, we will have surveyed the entire 50-square mile off Aruba," Schafer said.
•   "We have identified at least 60 of the targets. we have about 150 more targets to inspect."  "So we have completely mapped the ocean floor, we know every object that's there, we know every object that could be a container holding her in the sea,” he said.

Tim Trahan is quoted in the same article:
"And we all feel, I'm speaking from everybody on the team, that she's in one of the targets we have not looked at yet," Tim Trahan of Underwater Expeditions said. "We can't stop. I go to sleep at night thinking we've located it, we just need to get to it."


Is this the quote Tim Trahan actually said on 12/29? 


I'm not sure now.......

Search For Natalee HollowayKPLC-TV, LA - 18 hours agoTrahan and Lake Charles native Louis Schaefer Jr. head up Underwater Expeditions around the world. ...
lcpirate.com/2007/12/24/

 Tim Trahan of Underwater Expeditions said. “We can’t stop. I go to sleep at night thinking we’ve located it, we just need to get to it.”


Ok, I found that article here:
http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7537588&nav=0nqx

SWLA Natives Search For Natalee Holloway


Posted: Dec 24, 2007 12:05 AM CST
Updated: Jan 11, 2008 04:34 PM CST

Reported By: Lee Peck

Prosecutors in the Natalee Holloway case said they will reopen the case "if new serious evidence were to be found." Searching for that evidence is a world renowned underwater search team, which includes two Southwest Louisiana natives. We spoke to one of them by satellite phone Sunday afternoon off the coast of Aruba.

"We're looking for a needle in a haystack, that's a big challenge in and of itself," said Tim Trahan. 

Lake Arthur native Tim Trahan is talking about his latest search. Trahan and Lake Charles native Louis Schaefer Jr. head up Underwater Expeditions around the world. Their latest assignment: the hunt for Natalee Holloway off the coast of Aruba.

"It's taken a lot of turns and twists and we finally got the boat off from New Iberia and got it down to Aruba and we started the operation here," said Trahan.  

Leaving New Iberia November 26th the R/V Persistence arrived in Aruba December 15th. On board are several experts in the case, including Tim Miller with Texas Equusearch. Acting on a tip, their search for the Alabama teen has taken them to the west point of the island.

"Tim had really felt strongly that the body was put in a crab trap or some kind of metal container and dropped into the ocean," said Trahan. 

Since their arrival, they've been mapping the bottom of the ocean floor with special sonar and high-tech computers for points of interest that could be metal objects. Their scans have taken them from 60 to 950 feet below Aruba's waters.

"In searching for points of interest, we are making a grid, and when we get done with the whole grid we're going to utilize a remote controlled vehicle which will be going down to inspect each target of interest that we have through the whole grid," explained Trahan.

Sacrificing time away from family, the crew will work around the clock through Christmas and New Years in hopes of finding Natalee and bringing closure to her family... at no charge.

"Natalee's family were speechless for a little while. It was a lot of tears from both sides, you know it's hard to meet a family that's lost a child and a lot of times we don't know what to say, but the only thing we could say is we are going to go over there and do the best we can and try to bring their daughter home," said Trahan. "They are very appreciative they call every day and thank us, thank us. It just feels good to do something you feel right about."

Other companies donating their services include J.D. Silvetti, Seatronics, Offshore Innovative Solutions, Pro Log Incorporated, Wilkens Weather Technologies and Agiosat.

A crew from Dateline NBC is also on board documenting the entire operation. Trahan says they don't know how long they'll be out there. Click here to read a daily blog updating their search.






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 25, 2009, 12:07:10 PM


Part 1 of the Revised Timeline is up here. (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg690372#msg690372)


Klaas - Is it possible to delete all of the other versions in the thread?  I'll have Part 2 - Revised posted in the next hour or two.  Thanks!





Just acknowledging this.  Will let Klaas decide.    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: bastibro on February 25, 2009, 12:08:47 PM
LOL Johan, welcome back  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1257826/6/25


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: johan555 on February 25, 2009, 12:14:06 PM
Hee bastibro everything ok ?   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 25, 2009, 12:23:26 PM
I contend that a furthering of the coverup which has prevented justice from prevailing for an American citizen was planned in a meeting on board the Persistence a short time prior to the December 30th dive.

I suspect after the Arubans were made aware of the ROV images of December 29, 2007 ... the ROV images that Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller were so sure revealed a trap/cage that contained contents which were case related and ... immediate damage control was where it was at.

I speculate that a short time prior to the second dive on December 30, 2007 ... at a meeting on board the Persistence between the Arubans and John Silvetti ... justice for Natalee Holloway and ... closurer for her family took a back seat and ... for an incentive ... John Silvetti became a participant in "the finale to the great Aruban coverup".

Considering Tim Trahan dove with the Aruban dive team on December 30, 2007 ... I contend that this American also became a player in the betrayal.  In otherwords ... the "thumbs down" was a given.

If the truth was were it was at ... logic would dictates Tim Trahan would let the Skate pass ... wait a minute for the silt to settle and ... observe as well as take photos of the contents.

Instead ... according to Kyle Kingman ... it the Aruban divers who remained and reported that the trap/cage contained nothing case related.

IMO

Janet

_____


Tim Miller
On the Record w/ Greta
February 27, 2008


MILLER: The report we got is the DNA that came back did not match Natalee's DNA and when we located that it looked like more than just a piece of cloth and I mean we, we felt as though we seen a skull in there. We got the Aruba authorities involved, they felt there was something in there, we dove on it and the thing is that's only 1 of over 170 targets out there we still have to investigate, so we've got a lot of work ahead of us.


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment.

Kyle: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.  John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with  me

Kyle: Mr. Red shirt came on the Persistence along with Dolf, Mos, et al for the meeting on the 30th."

Kyle:   This is certainly NOT John Silvetti. I do not know this man. He was with the Arubans who came on board for the Dec-30th meeting.


+++++++

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #743 on: March 18, 2008, 04:30:41 PM »


It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers.  It was a royal mess.  I took a lot of heat for telling Tim Miller anything about the trap that may have prompted him to making the calls to the family.  In my defence, I specifically told Tim not to tell anyone about the trap until the contents are analysed.  He couldn't wait.  He was very emotional, hopeful, and confident.  It was a crushing time for all. Most of all- for Tim Miller, Dave, and Beth.  This was Dec 30th.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366324#msg366324



Good Morning, Janet!

I think definately think you're onto something with the meeting onboard the Persistence. 





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 12:27:29 PM
I contend that a furthering of the coverup which has prevented justice from prevailing for an American citizen was planned in a meeting on board the Persistence a short time prior to the December 30th dive.

I suspect after the Arubans were made aware of the ROV images of December 29, 2007 ... the ROV images that Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller were so sure revealed a trap/cage that contained contents which were case related and ... immediate damage control was where it was at.

I speculate that a short time prior to the second dive on December 30, 2007 ... at a meeting on board the Persistence between the Arubans and John Silvetti ... justice for Natalee Holloway and ... closurer for her family took a back seat and ... for an incentive ... John Silvetti became a participant in "the finale to the great Aruban coverup".

Considering Tim Trahan dove with the Aruban dive team on December 30, 2007 ... I contend that this American also became a player in the betrayal.  In otherwords ... the "thumbs down" was a given.

If the truth was were it was at ... logic would dictates Tim Trahan would let the Skate pass ... wait a minute for the silt to settle and ... observe as well as take photos of the contents.

Instead ... according to Kyle Kingman ... it the Aruban divers who remained and reported that the trap/cage contained nothing case related.

IMO

Janet

_____


Tim Miller
On the Record w/ Greta
February 27, 2008


MILLER: The report we got is the DNA that came back did not match Natalee's DNA and when we located that it looked like more than just a piece of cloth and I mean we, we felt as though we seen a skull in there. We got the Aruba authorities involved, they felt there was something in there, we dove on it and the thing is that's only 1 of over 170 targets out there we still have to investigate, so we've got a lot of work ahead of us.


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment.

Kyle: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.  John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with  me

Kyle: Mr. Red shirt came on the Persistence along with Dolf, Mos, et al for the meeting on the 30th."

Kyle:   This is certainly NOT John Silvetti. I do not know this man. He was with the Arubans who came on board for the Dec-30th meeting.


+++++++

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #743 on: March 18, 2008, 04:30:41 PM »


It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers.  It was a royal mess.  I took a lot of heat for telling Tim Miller anything about the trap that may have prompted him to making the calls to the family.  In my defence, I specifically told Tim not to tell anyone about the trap until the contents are analysed.  He couldn't wait.  He was very emotional, hopeful, and confident.  It was a crushing time for all. Most of all- for Tim Miller, Dave, and Beth.  This was Dec 30th.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366324#msg366324



Good Morning, Janet!

I think definately think you're onto something with the meeting onboard the Persistence. 






I,very much agree!There was quite a show of force when Mos,Richardson,Comemencia,as well as the other Arubans,Kyle won't identify,came on board.Why so many of the key players,for a cage/trap,that had nothing in it!LOGIC DICTATES...............Inquiring minds want to know.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 12:35:43 PM
I will say.That last thread was a very pleasant one!Distractions minimized... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 25, 2009, 12:46:47 PM
KTF,

Just wanted to post for Hotping and her PO Box research that I looked for a connection between Lisa A Anderson and William J Anderson (attorney for Superior Offshore mentioned in one of your posts last thread).  I came up short and had to give it up for a while.  There may be no connection, whatsoever, but the surname (which is common) stood out for me at the time. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 12:48:42 PM
KTF,

Just wanted to post for Hotping and her PO Box research that I looked for a connection between Lisa A Anderson and William J Anderson (attorney for Superior Offshore mentioned in one of your posts last thread).  I came up short and had to give it up for a while.  There may be no connection, whatsoever, but the surname (which is common) stood out for me at the time. 

Will keep looking 2nj.Thanx!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: bastibro on February 25, 2009, 12:56:53 PM
Hee bastibro everything ok ?   ::MonkeyDance::

Besides one distraction, fine Thanks ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 25, 2009, 01:06:19 PM


Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com): “ It was Clyde Burke that went to the meeting with Helen Lejuz”

Helen Lejuezr
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Reporters%20Lawyers/HelenLejuezr.jpg)
 
Clyde
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Law%20E/Clyde.jpg)



Gratitude & Prayers for Blonde


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 25, 2009, 01:10:40 PM
Part 1 of the Revised Timeline is up here. (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg690372#msg690372)


Klaas 2NJSons_Mom- Is it possible to delete all of the other versions in the thread?  I'll have Part 2 - Revised posted in the next hour or two.  Thanks!


Just acknowledging this.  Will let Klaas decide.    ::MonkeyCool::

Please, please, please??? 
 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 25, 2009, 01:24:45 PM


Note to self:

Kyle thinks the detective with the brother is Simian.
Solid research exists that points to Clyde Burke as Simian.
Clyde Burke attended the 'pond witness' meeting with Helen Lejuez.

SM learned about that meeting from Caps.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 01:26:28 PM


Note to self:

Kyle thinks the detective with the brother is Simian.
Solid research exists that points to Clyde Burke as Simian.
Clyde Burke attended the 'pond witness' meeting with Helen Lejuez.

SM learned about that meeting from Caps.

Again.Who was all at that meeting?





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 01:27:05 PM


Note to self:

Kyle thinks the detective with the brother is Simian.
Solid research exists that points to Clyde Burke as Simian.
Clyde Burke attended the 'pond witness' meeting with Helen Lejuez.

SM learned about that meeting from Caps.



Again.Who was all at that meeting?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 25, 2009, 01:33:18 PM


Note to self:

Kyle thinks the detective with the brother is Simian.
Solid research exists that points to Clyde Burke as Simian.
Clyde Burke attended the 'pond witness' meeting with Helen Lejuez.

SM learned about that meeting from Caps.



Again.Who was all at that meeting?

I don't know.  I do know that Caps met with John Silvetti.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 25, 2009, 01:40:06 PM


Note to self:

Kyle thinks the detective with the brother is Simian.
Solid research exists that points to Clyde Burke as Simian.
Clyde Burke attended the 'pond witness' meeting with Helen Lejuez.

SM learned about that meeting from Caps.



Again.Who was all at that meeting?

Caps said: Me (Caps) J (John Silvetti) W (Witness) and C(either Clyde or Cop)

SS said that Jossy and Peter R. deVries were at the meeting, but there is nothing
that makes me believe that is true.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 01:50:44 PM
     IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties have executed this Agreement as of the date first set forth above.
               
      SUPERIOR OFFSHORE 
      INTERNATIONAL, INC. 
               
      By:                /s/ Donald E. Terry 
           
      Name:            Donald E. Terry  
      Title:            Interim President and CEO 
               
      LEGACY OFFSHORE, L.L.C. 
               
      By:               /s/ Josh Koch 
           
      Name:            Josh Koch   
      Title:            Agent for Legacy Offshore, L.L.C. 

SIGNATURE PAGE TO ASSET PURCHASE AGREEMENT
 


(b) If to Buyer, addressed to:
Legacy Offshore, L.L.C.
108 Brownlee Avenue
Broussard, Louisiana 70518
Attention: Louis E. Schaefer, Jr.


These are at the end of the Gulf diver V purchase agreement!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 01:51:34 PM
     IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties have executed this Agreement as of the date first set forth above.
               
      SUPERIOR OFFSHORE 
      INTERNATIONAL, INC. 
               
      By:                /s/ Donald E. Terry 
           
      Name:            Donald E. Terry  
      Title:            Interim President and CEO 
               
      LEGACY OFFSHORE, L.L.C. 
               
      By:               /s/ Josh Koch 
           
      Name:            Josh Koch   
      Title:            Agent for Legacy Offshore, L.L.C. 

SIGNATURE PAGE TO ASSET PURCHASE AGREEMENT
 


(b) If to Buyer, addressed to:
Legacy Offshore, L.L.C.
108 Brownlee Avenue
Broussard, Louisiana 70518
Attention: Louis E. Schaefer, Jr.


These are at the end of the Gulf diver V purchase agreement!

Sorry.forgot to add he link!


http://apps.shareholder.com/sec/viewerContent.aspx?companyid=DEEP&docid=5863994




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 25, 2009, 01:53:41 PM


Note to self:

Kyle thinks the detective with the brother is Simian.
Solid research exists that points to Clyde Burke as Simian.
Clyde Burke attended the 'pond witness' meeting with Helen Lejuez.

SM learned about that meeting from Caps.



Again.Who was all at that meeting?

Caps said: Me (Caps) J (John Silvetti) W (Witness) and C(either Clyde or Cop)

SS said that Jossy and Peter R. deVries were at the meeting, but there is nothing
that makes me believe that is true.

How would SS know?  That's a little bizarre...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 02:04:10 PM
Legacy Offshore, LLC
Booth: 837, 839
Marisol Medellin



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 25, 2009, 02:04:30 PM


Note to self:

Kyle thinks the detective with the brother is Simian.
Solid research exists that points to Clyde Burke as Simian.
Clyde Burke attended the 'pond witness' meeting with Helen Lejuez.

SM learned about that meeting from Caps.



Again.Who was all at that meeting?

Caps said: Me (Caps) J (John Silvetti) W (Witness) and C(either Clyde or Cop)

SS said that Jossy and Peter R. deVries were at the meeting, but there is nothing
that makes me believe that is true.

How would SS know?  That's a little bizarre...


She is very defensive about Caps, so I assume that she talks with him.
I don't think that Caps ever met with Peter R. deVries.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 25, 2009, 02:07:51 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 25, 2009, 02:09:36 PM
36925547K  12/23/2008  OSV DETERMINATION, L.L.C.  403 MECCA DRIVE  LAFAYETTE, LA  70508
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http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/public/corp_newsletter/NewCorp_20081231.txt



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 25, 2009, 02:10:58 PM
Sunday, December 16, 2007
VI. The Arrival
Friday, Nov-30, 2200 hours: The R/V Persistence departs the Port of New Iberia with seven crew members on board, headed to Isla Mujeres Mexico.
The seas and wind are calm, and the visibility is excellent.


HORNBECK OFFSHORE SERVICES
Hornbeck Offshore Services, Inc.
103 Northpark Boulevard
Suite 300
Covington, LA 70433
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Phone: 985-727-2000
Fax: 985-727-2006
Web Site: http://www.hornbeckoffshore.com
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HORNBECKS OFFSHORE - New Iberia Office

Hornbeck Offshore Services, Inc.
3417 W. Admiral Doyle Drive
New Iberia, LA 70560
Phone:  (337) 365-6000
Fax:      (337) 365-7075
a) If to Seller, addressed to:
Superior Offshore International, Inc.
717 Texas Avenue, Suite 3150
Houston, Texas 77002
Facsimile: (713) 910-1881
Attention: Chief Executive Officer


Vessel Engineer
Marine Surveys (silvetti Marine Services) - Lafayette, LA
We are in need of Vessel Engineer for a 120ft. Research Vessel in the Gulf of Mexico. Great benefits. We are a Veteran Owned Company & have almost 50 percent of Vet employees. We
originally from JobsInLouisiana.com - More Tools...
http://www.simplyhired.com/job-id/2pemlbe5dw/vessel-engineer-jobs/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 25, 2009, 02:13:07 PM
Legacy Offshore is a leader in the field of value-added subsea and topside construction servicing both the domestic and international oil and gas industries. Our corporate family is represented by professional and highly capable personnel utilizing the latest equipment and technology at our subsea and fabrication divisions. Legacy Offshore develops lasting relationships with its clients by exceeding expectations and performing in a safe and professional manner.
http://www.legacyoffshore.com/index.html

Executive Management - SuperiorOffshore.com - [Cached Version]
Published on: 11/5/2006    Last Visited: 11/5/2006   
Louis E. Schaefer Jr.Chairman of the Board

Louis E. Schaefer, Jr. founded our company and has been our Chairman of the Board since August 2006.Mr. Schaefer was our Chief Executive Officer from 1994 until August 2006.From 1986 to 1992, Mr. Schaefer was an account manager at Cal Dive International, Inc., an offshore energy services company, and from 1984 to 1986 he worked for American Oilfield Divers Inc., an offshore energy services company.Between 1970 and 1984, Mr. Schaefer served as Chief Executive Officer of Schaefer Diving, an offshore energy services company.
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 25, 2009, 02:17:22 PM


Vessel Engineer
Marine Surveys (silvetti Marine Services) - Lafayette, LA
We are in need of Vessel Engineer for a 120ft. Research Vessel in the Gulf of Mexico. Great benefits. We are a Veteran Owned Company & have almost 50 percent of Vet employees. We
originally from JobsInLouisiana.com - More Tools...
http://www.simplyhired.com/job-id/2pemlbe5dw/vessel-engineer-jobs/


www.careerbuilder.com/al.ic/Louisiana_Opelousas_Engineering.htm&w=silvetti+dulles+drive+dr&d=WA7qJZ2uSMSf&icp=1&.intl=us


Job type: Full-Time Employee
SILVETTI MARINE Services Needs Vessel Engineer for 200T Survey Vessel. Fax resume to Christy @ 337-234-0269 Or email to Source - Daily Advertiser -...
View full job description Save to MyCareerBuilder Saved Job (View Saved Jobs) Email to a friend   LA - Lafayette
(22 miles) 3 Days Ago
 
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 25, 2009, 02:18:58 PM
You have been jumpin'! ::MonkeyDance::



They are all tangled up in a big old web.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 25, 2009, 02:20:46 PM


Part 1 of the Revised Timeline is up here. (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg690372#msg690372)


Klaas - Is it possible to delete all of the other versions in the thread?  I'll have Part 2 - Revised posted in the next hour or two.  Thanks!








Taken care of, now only the new revised Part 1 is there, all the rest have been deleted.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 25, 2009, 02:22:15 PM


Note to self:

Kyle thinks the detective with the brother is Simian.
Solid research exists that points to Clyde Burke as Simian.
Clyde Burke attended the 'pond witness' meeting with Helen Lejuez.

SM learned about that meeting from Caps.

The witness went to Helen LeJuez & she set up a meeting for him with Clyde Burke from ALE.

Kyle said: This witness wouldn't talk to police and would only talk to us at first through his lawyer.

Caps said: My uncle is an attorney

CapsLockWizard (SM) on May 05, 2008, 11:06:59 PM
Today withness talk to lawyer to see what is the hold-up, lawyer state every thing is OK and group are working on the case. Large dutch CSI. (case is under the microscope---but no american involvment is a bit strange.)



CapsLockWizard
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1509 on: May 08, 2008, 10:58:02 AM »
FIrst of all Sorry,

This morning, the area from McDonald till lekker is being analyzed by those from Holand CSI. Also to the house of the witness is being analyzed. They are also near the Brickel bay. aredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.1500






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 25, 2009, 02:23:30 PM


Vessel Engineer
Marine Surveys (silvetti Marine Services) - Lafayette, LA
We are in need of Vessel Engineer for a 120ft. Research Vessel in the Gulf of Mexico. Great benefits. We are a Veteran Owned Company & have almost 50 percent of Vet employees. We
originally from JobsInLouisiana.com - More Tools...
http://www.simplyhired.com/job-id/2pemlbe5dw/vessel-engineer-jobs/


www.careerbuilder.com/al.ic/Louisiana_Opelousas_Engineering.htm&w=silvetti+dulles+drive+dr&d=WA7qJZ2uSMSf&icp=1&.intl=us


Job type: Full-Time Employee
SILVETTI MARINE Services Needs Vessel Engineer for 200T Survey Vessel. Fax resume to Christy @ 337-234-0269 Or email to Source - Daily Advertiser -...
View full job description Save to MyCareerBuilder Saved Job (View Saved Jobs) Email to a friend   LA - Lafayette
(22 miles) 3 Days Ago
 
 ::MonkeyCool::


Did you apply

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 02:28:08 PM
I think in time more to the story will come Via contracts!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 25, 2009, 02:28:29 PM
Bijleveld wants have talks with Oduber about the judiciary on Aruba.

She is increasingly worried about the situation on Aruba.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53178.php

AIVD to stay on Aruba

Bijleveld criticizes Rudy Croes about making the leaked VNO-report public.

Bijleveld is positive about PG Pietersz

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53179.php

(tomorrow in English at http://www.amigoe.com/english/ )

no response yet from Rudy Croes. but that won't take long i guess.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 25, 2009, 02:29:04 PM
I think in time more to the story will come Via contracts!

Exactly


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 02:31:30 PM
I think in time more to the story will come Via contracts!

Exactly


Do we know where Legacy offshore was registered and by whom?Been looking?Monkey's?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: AZLady on February 25, 2009, 02:32:39 PM
Excellent work, Kermit, Keepthefaith, Jen and everyone else.  I'm still reading in the last thread, but the relationships being exposed are more than interesting.  Dare I say, criminal?  Amazing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 25, 2009, 02:37:44 PM


Note to self:

Kyle thinks the detective with the brother is Simian.
Solid research exists that points to Clyde Burke as Simian.
Clyde Burke attended the 'pond witness' meeting with Helen Lejuez.

SM learned about that meeting from Caps.

The witness went to Helen LeJuez & she set up a meeting for him with Clyde Burke from ALE.

Kyle said: This witness wouldn't talk to police and would only talk to us at first through his lawyer.

Caps said: My uncle is an attorney

CapsLockWizard (SM) on May 05, 2008, 11:06:59 PM
Today withness talk to lawyer to see what is the hold-up, lawyer state every thing is OK and group are working on the case. Large dutch CSI. (case is under the microscope---but no american involvment is a bit strange.)



CapsLockWizard
Scared Monkey
Offline
Posts: 845
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1509 on: May 08, 2008, 10:58:02 AM »
FIrst of all Sorry,

This morning, the area from McDonald till lekker is being analyzed by those from Holand CSI. Also to the house of the witness is being analyzed. They are also near the Brickel bay. aredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.1500







Did Jossy or anyone else ever confirm the presence of these additional CSI people from The Netherlands?




I have just never seen any proof that they in fact were even there.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 25, 2009, 02:44:00 PM


Vessel Engineer
Marine Surveys (silvetti Marine Services) - Lafayette, LA
We are in need of Vessel Engineer for a 120ft. Research Vessel in the Gulf of Mexico. Great benefits. We are a Veteran Owned Company & have almost 50 percent of Vet employees. We
originally from JobsInLouisiana.com - More Tools...
http://www.simplyhired.com/job-id/2pemlbe5dw/vessel-engineer-jobs/


www.careerbuilder.com/al.ic/Louisiana_Opelousas_Engineering.htm&w=silvetti+dulles+drive+dr&d=WA7qJZ2uSMSf&icp=1&.intl=us


Job type: Full-Time Employee
SILVETTI MARINE Services Needs Vessel Engineer for 200T Survey Vessel. Fax resume to Christy @ 337-234-0269 Or email to Source - Daily Advertiser -...
View full job description Save to MyCareerBuilder Saved Job (View Saved Jobs) Email to a friend   LA - Lafayette
(22 miles) 3 Days Ago
 
 ::MonkeyCool::


Did you apply

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


NO!!!!!  Did you?

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 25, 2009, 02:54:15 PM
I think in time more to the story will come Via contracts!

Exactly


Do we know where Legacy offshore was registered and by whom?Been looking?Monkey's?

I got that one:

11/20/2007 - NEW
Louis Schaefer and Charles Zamora register Legacy Offshore, LLC (http://www.legacyoffshore.com); a Louisiana Limited Liability Company (http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin?rqstyp=crpdtlC&rqsdta=36593498K)





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 25, 2009, 02:57:18 PM


Note to self:

Kyle thinks the detective with the brother is Simian.
Solid research exists that points to Clyde Burke as Simian.
Clyde Burke attended the 'pond witness' meeting with Helen Lejuez.

SM learned about that meeting from Caps.

The witness went to Helen LeJuez & she set up a meeting for him with Clyde Burke from ALE.

Kyle said: This witness wouldn't talk to police and would only talk to us at first through his lawyer.

Caps said: My uncle is an attorney

CapsLockWizard (SM) on May 05, 2008, 11:06:59 PM
Today withness talk to lawyer to see what is the hold-up, lawyer state every thing is OK and group are working on the case. Large dutch CSI. (case is under the microscope---but no american involvment is a bit strange.)



CapsLockWizard
Scared Monkey
Offline
Posts: 845
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1509 on: May 08, 2008, 10:58:02 AM »
FIrst of all Sorry,

This morning, the area from McDonald till lekker is being analyzed by those from Holand CSI. Also to the house of the witness is being analyzed. They are also near the Brickel bay. aredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.1500







Did Jossy or anyone else ever confirm the presence of these additional CSI people from The Netherlands?




I have just never seen any proof that they in fact were even there.

I agree, no proof they were there except Caps said it and Kyle said it.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 25, 2009, 02:58:09 PM
I think in time more to the story will come Via contracts!

Exactly


Do we know where Legacy offshore was registered and by whom?Been looking?Monkey's?

I got that one:

11/20/2007 - NEW
Louis Schaefer and Charles Zamora register Legacy Offshore, LLC (http://www.legacyoffshore.com); a Louisiana Limited Liability Company (http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin?rqstyp=crpdtlC&rqsdta=36593498K)

Lifesong, love your timeline and the way it's all adding up. GREAT JOB!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 25, 2009, 02:58:35 PM


Part 1 of the Revised Timeline is up here. (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg690372#msg690372)


Klaas - Is it possible to delete all of the other versions in the thread?  I'll have Part 2 - Revised posted in the next hour or two.  Thanks!



Taken care of, now only the new revised Part 1 is there, all the rest have been deleted.

Thanks, Klaas.  I'm wrapping up some other work and will be back to it soon.  Part 2 will be up by early tonight, I'd rather have it not there for a minute then leave it the way it was.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 25, 2009, 02:59:35 PM
Reply #93 on: May 21, 2008, 10:41:54 AM Update from Destiny...

This am:...


    Hi XXXXXXX
    How are you today?
    I have been talking with Jossy Mansur about the article and he says to me that it is ok to published it in the newspaper.
     
    About the other investigation of the dutch investigators he said to me that he don't know nothing about it, but he gone check it out.  *He needs our help*
     
    The Texas Equisearch is now here for the investigation of the dissapearence of the guy Vicenzo Tromp. They has begin to search yesterday but till now we haven't hear nothing about that.
    Some people says the guy is no more in Aruba, other says he is been killed, but still nothing concrete about it.
     
    If I have more information I will send it to you.
     
    Bye
    Have a nice day
   XXXXXXXX

Destiny....more info to follow
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2856.msg383313#msg383313


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 03:00:38 PM
I think in time more to the story will come Via contracts!

Exactly


Do we know where Legacy offshore was registered and by whom?Been looking?Monkey's?

I got that one:

11/20/2007 - NEW
Louis Schaefer and Charles Zamora register Legacy Offshore, LLC (http://www.legacyoffshore.com); a Louisiana Limited Liability Company (http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin?rqstyp=crpdtlC&rqsdta=36593498K)

Lifesong, love your timeline and the way it's all adding up. GREAT JOB!

Registered Legacy offshore right before they go to Aruba?? ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 25, 2009, 03:01:15 PM
ruff ruff to Snoopy for the kind words


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 25, 2009, 03:02:05 PM
Bijleveld wants have talks with Oduber about the judiciary on Aruba.

She is increasingly worried about the situation on Aruba.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53178.php

AIVD to stay on Aruba

Bijleveld criticizes Rudy Croes about making the leaked VNO-report public.

Bijleveld is positive about PG Pietersz

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53179.php

(tomorrow in English at http://www.amigoe.com/english/ )

no response yet from Rudy Croes. but that won't take long i guess.


update: Rudy has responded:

Quote
Croes unhappy about declaration Bijleveld

The Aruban justice minister Rudy Croes cannot agree with the declaration State Secretary Ank Bijleveld (Kingdom Relations) has given about the leaked out confidential information of the Dutch representation on the island. "Our community has the right to know what rubbish was written by the Dutch about Aruba", Croes reacted on 25 February.

"All this are gossips collected at the request of Bijleveld and the Dutch minister of justice Hirsch Ballin"
, said Croes about the leaked out report. "If you do this in China, as an embassy you have to leave. We are a separate country and no "onderhorigen" of the Netherlands. Once again, I demand an apology from the Netherlands."
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/politiek/car20090225_aruba

onderhorigen is a term from the colonial time.
meaning something like servants.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 25, 2009, 03:03:45 PM
Thanks ceasu!

Interesting that Aruba claims to be a part of the Dutch kingdom when it suits them.

And when it does not - they throw a fit about "interference".

And isn't Rudy Dutch himself?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: bastibro on February 25, 2009, 03:04:58 PM


Note to self:

Kyle thinks the detective with the brother is Simian.
Solid research exists that points to Clyde Burke as Simian.
Clyde Burke attended the 'pond witness' meeting with Helen Lejuez.

SM learned about that meeting from Caps.

The witness went to Helen LeJuez & she set up a meeting for him with Clyde Burke from ALE.

Kyle said: This witness wouldn't talk to police and would only talk to us at first through his lawyer.

Caps said: My uncle is an attorney

CapsLockWizard (SM) on May 05, 2008, 11:06:59 PM
Today withness talk to lawyer to see what is the hold-up, lawyer state every thing is OK and group are working on the case. Large dutch CSI. (case is under the microscope---but no american involvment is a bit strange.)



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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1509 on: May 08, 2008, 10:58:02 AM »
FIrst of all Sorry,

This morning, the area from McDonald till lekker is being analyzed by those from Holand CSI. Also to the house of the witness is being analyzed. They are also near the Brickel bay. aredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.1500







Did Jossy or anyone else ever confirm the presence of these additional CSI people from The Netherlands?




I have just never seen any proof that they in fact were even there.




The last time a CSI team from The Netherlands went there was in Apil 2007.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 25, 2009, 03:05:24 PM

Thanks, Kermit.

I need at least a timeline just to try and keep up with you!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: AZLady on February 25, 2009, 03:06:28 PM
Lifesong, I love the timeline.  It's amazing what you can see when the events are lined up.  This reason this case has not been solved is all about the money.  I seriously think our country should remove any exclusions and tax breaks from non-profits.  The term "non-profit" has become a cloak to hide highly profitable ventures.

02/14/2007
John D. Silvetti, Conrad Daigle, and Marianne Silvetti-Voorhies register Aim For A Cure, Inc.; a Louisiana, non-profit corporation
05/2007
Schaeffer contacts Dave Holloway
Schaefer purchases $3.5m home


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 25, 2009, 03:07:28 PM
Thanks ceasu!

Interesting that Aruba claims to be a part of the Dutch kingdom when it suits them.

And when it does not - they throw a fit about "interference".

And isn't Rudy Dutch himself?


And wth...why is he bringing up China?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 03:07:34 PM

Thanks, Kermit.

I need at least a timeline just to try and keep up with you!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::




You're telling me LifeSong.That timeline is very much appreciated! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 25, 2009, 03:09:04 PM
KTF,

Just wanted to post for Hotping and her PO Box research that I looked for a connection between Lisa A Anderson and William J Anderson (attorney for Superior Offshore mentioned in one of your posts last thread).  I came up short and had to give it up for a while.  There may be no connection, whatsoever, but the surname (which is common) stood out for me at the time. 
Thanks 2NJ.....Could anyone tell me the name of the law firm that William Anderson is associated with and where it is located...TIA...I have multiple things going on today...and I will let You all know later what I have come up with in regards to the PO Box.... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 25, 2009, 03:09:26 PM
Thanks ceasu!

Interesting that Aruba claims to be a part of the Dutch kingdom when it suits them.

And when it does not - they throw a fit about "interference".

And isn't Rudy Dutch himself?

he does have a Dutch passport as he is citizen of the Kingdom of The Netherlands.
he said once that he wanted to rip this passport up in pieces.
but he is from Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: AZLady on February 25, 2009, 03:10:13 PM
Thanks ceasu!

Interesting that Aruba claims to be a part of the Dutch kingdom when it suits them.

And when it does not - they throw a fit about "interference".

And isn't Rudy Dutch himself?

Oh, yes.  They claim nationality with Aruban when they want to show their distinction from NL, but when an Aruban does something like kill another person or destroy property, then they sneer at them and call them "Arubans" as if that is a bad thing, and they are the proud Dutch.  Can't have it both ways.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 25, 2009, 03:11:28 PM
Kermit will be pleased.  The pond is no longer frozen over and the pathway leading to it is no longer covered with snow.  I will get Veggie to check the small bulbs in the Japanese laterns that outline that small body of water.  In a couple of months Kermit can swim with some large Goldfish that will take up residence.
/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4574.700

(http://i1.iofferphoto.com/img/item/552/826/06/cf91_1.JPG)
fond memories of Ms. Janet and Veggies pond



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 25, 2009, 03:13:45 PM


Vessel Engineer
Marine Surveys (silvetti Marine Services) - Lafayette, LA
We are in need of Vessel Engineer for a 120ft. Research Vessel in the Gulf of Mexico. Great benefits. We are a Veteran Owned Company & have almost 50 percent of Vet employees. We
originally from JobsInLouisiana.com - More Tools...
http://www.simplyhired.com/job-id/2pemlbe5dw/vessel-engineer-jobs/


www.careerbuilder.com/al.ic/Louisiana_Opelousas_Engineering.htm&w=silvetti+dulles+drive+dr&d=WA7qJZ2uSMSf&icp=1&.intl=us


Job type: Full-Time Employee
SILVETTI MARINE Services Needs Vessel Engineer for 200T Survey Vessel. Fax resume to Christy @ 337-234-0269 Or email to Source - Daily Advertiser -...
View full job description Save to MyCareerBuilder Saved Job (View Saved Jobs) Email to a friend   LA - Lafayette
(22 miles) 3 Days Ago
 
 ::MonkeyCool::


Did you apply

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


NO!!!!!  Did you?

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Maybe

(http://www.noquartergiven.net/kermit-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 25, 2009, 03:15:33 PM
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/356/gulfdivervandgulfdiveri.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 25, 2009, 03:16:34 PM
(http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2455/legacyoffshorelettersof.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: AZLady on February 25, 2009, 03:18:32 PM
The bulk of the debt is to Hornbeck Offshore Services.  Now where did I see that name before?  Connections, relationships... hmmm...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 25, 2009, 03:18:56 PM
Oh what I wouldn't give to be a New Orleans resident next week and attend this show.

Just to see whose faces appear at the Legacy booth!!


http://www.onlinefloorplan.com/underwater09/exhibitlist.asp

Underwater Intervention 2009
 
Legacy Offshore, LLC
Booth: 837, 839
Marisol Medellin 
     
1042 Petroleum Parkway
Broussard, LA 70518 USA
Tel: 337-365-6161
Fax: 337-365-6162
Email: marisolmedellin@legacyoffshore.com
www.legacyoffshore.com 

Description:

Leagacy Offshore is an innovative provider os subsea construction and inspection services to domestic and international oil and gas industries operating at water depths up to 1000 feet. Capabilities include but are not limited to offshore and inland services, offshore construction and onshore fabrication. 
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 25, 2009, 03:20:57 PM


Vessel Engineer
Marine Surveys (silvetti Marine Services) - Lafayette, LA
We are in need of Vessel Engineer for a 120ft. Research Vessel in the Gulf of Mexico. Great benefits. We are a Veteran Owned Company & have almost 50 percent of Vet employees. We
originally from JobsInLouisiana.com - More Tools...
http://www.simplyhired.com/job-id/2pemlbe5dw/vessel-engineer-jobs/


www.careerbuilder.com/al.ic/Louisiana_Opelousas_Engineering.htm&w=silvetti+dulles+drive+dr&d=WA7qJZ2uSMSf&icp=1&.intl=us


Job type: Full-Time Employee
SILVETTI MARINE Services Needs Vessel Engineer for 200T Survey Vessel. Fax resume to Christy @ 337-234-0269 Or email to Source - Daily Advertiser -...
View full job description Save to MyCareerBuilder Saved Job (View Saved Jobs) Email to a friend   LA - Lafayette
(22 miles) 3 Days Ago
 
 ::MonkeyCool::


Did you apply

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


NO!!!!!  Did you?

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Maybe

(http://www.noquartergiven.net/kermit-1.jpg)


A frog of many talents!!!


Er.................watch that shark on your hind end, my dear!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 25, 2009, 03:24:41 PM
The bulk of the debt is to Hornbeck Offshore Services.  Now where did I see that name before?  Connections, relationships... hmmm...

It's all certainly very intertwined, isn't it?

Just one big circle jerk if you ask me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: AZLady on February 25, 2009, 03:32:16 PM
The bulk of the debt is to Hornbeck Offshore Services.  Now where did I see that name before?  Connections, relationships... hmmm...

It's all certainly very intertwined, isn't it?

Just one big circle jerk if you ask me.
Oh, yeah.  I'm no entrepreneur, but I do know that legitimate business owners don't need to own multiple businesses that shift assets, lease property from one another, and run money through each other's accounts, not to mention using non-profits as covers.  Sleazy.  Did anyone uncover any money-laundering through off shore, Aruban banks?  That is Aruba's specialty, ya know. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 25, 2009, 03:34:03 PM
The bulk of the debt is to Hornbeck Offshore Services.  Now where did I see that name before?  Connections, relationships... hmmm...

It's all certainly very intertwined, isn't it?

Just one big circle jerk if you ask me.
Oh, yeah.  I'm no entrepreneur, but I do know that legitimate business owners don't need to own multiple businesses that shift assets, lease property from one another, and run money through each other's accounts, not to mention using non-profits as covers.  Sleazy.  Did anyone uncover any money-laundering through off shore, Aruban banks?  That is Aruba's specialty, ya know. 

Not yet.  But sure would have been a timely and convenient place for Shaefer to have done that, wouldn't it?

Mebbe we could give Arlene a call at the bank down there to help us out with that.

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: AZLady on February 25, 2009, 03:36:28 PM
Arlene would know, and that's a fact.  I'm sure she'd tell us that we just don't understand her country's laws.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 25, 2009, 03:37:22 PM

Registered Legacy offshore right before they go to Aruba?? ::MonkeyEek::


KTF:  Not only that, it was 5 days after that Q3 Earnings Conference Call.  They already had the papers back from the attorney, imo.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I tell ya, the human ego is something to be afraid of.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 25, 2009, 03:37:53 PM
Arlene would know, and that's a fact.  I'm sure she'd tell us that we just don't understand her country's laws.

And make up a few along the way.................just for our very own benefit.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Boy, that woman drove me nuts!!

And yep - now that she's sitting on the board at the bank, I'm sure she's privy to more than a few skeletons in people's closets.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 25, 2009, 03:38:48 PM
Thanks ceasu!

Interesting that Aruba claims to be a part of the Dutch kingdom when it suits them.

And when it does not - they throw a fit about "interference".

And isn't Rudy Dutch himself?


And wth...why is he bringing up China?



he thinks the Dutch are mistreating Aruba.
so he picks the country with the largest population of the world and says the Dutch would treat China better than Aruba.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 25, 2009, 03:40:08 PM

Registered Legacy offshore right before they go to Aruba?? ::MonkeyEek::


KTF:  Not only that, it was 5 days after that Q3 Earnings Conference Call.  They already had the papers back from the attorney, imo.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I tell ya, the human ego is something to be afraid of.



I'm interested in all the company name changes

Superior Diving/Superior Offshore
Legacy Diging & Construction/Legacy Offshore

Not to mention his holding companies

Schaefer Holdings (x 2)
Schaefer Realty Holdings (or whatever that other one was I found yesterday)

Why the need for all of that, if everything is on the up and up?

And those are just the ones we know about ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 03:40:20 PM

Registered Legacy offshore right before they go to Aruba?? ::MonkeyEek::


KTF:  Not only that, it was 5 days after that Q3 Earnings Conference Call.  They already had the papers back from the attorney, imo.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I tell ya, the human ego is something to be afraid of.



And these were the people looking for Natalee Holloway! ::MonkeyNoNo:: How hard would it have been to buy these chumps off if you were Aruba? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: AZLady on February 25, 2009, 03:41:16 PM

Registered Legacy offshore right before they go to Aruba?? ::MonkeyEek::


KTF:  Not only that, it was 5 days after that Q3 Earnings Conference Call.  They already had the papers back from the attorney, imo.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I tell ya, the human ego is something to be afraid of.



Oh, Lifesong, I'd bet my seriously diminished retirement account that offshore accounts in Silvetti and Schaeffer's names were established in Aruba with hefty, multi-million dollar deposits, probably around the end of 2007, beginning of 2008.  They had business there at that time, doncha know.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 25, 2009, 03:43:31 PM
Thanks ceasu!

Interesting that Aruba claims to be a part of the Dutch kingdom when it suits them.

And when it does not - they throw a fit about "interference".

And isn't Rudy Dutch himself?


And wth...why is he bringing up China?



he thinks the Dutch are mistreating Aruba.
so he picks the country with the largest population of the world and says the Dutch would treat China better than Aruba.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

ceasu,

I want to add my thanks to you for adding all of this information.  It helps so much with the bigger picture!

I haven't even had a chance to start looking at the VNO report...is the implication of his "early departure" from Aruba that Hans Mos was working with the Dutch, giving them information on Croes' corrupt government?

I've kind of assumed that, but I really don't know.






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 03:44:46 PM

Registered Legacy offshore right before they go to Aruba?? ::MonkeyEek::


KTF:  Not only that, it was 5 days after that Q3 Earnings Conference Call.  They already had the papers back from the attorney, imo.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I tell ya, the human ego is something to be afraid of.



I'm interested in all the company name changes

Superior Diving/Superior Offshore
Legacy Diging & Construction/Legacy Offshore

Not to mention his holding companies

Schaefer Holdings (x 2)
Schaefer Realty Holdings (or whatever that other one was I found yesterday)

Why the need for all of that, if everything is on the up and up?

And those are just the ones we know about ::MonkeyEek::

Dont forget Greenhead Rentals which is under his son's name i believe.In the court documents in the class-action it state's that he was paying his son's for doing nothing.Learning about Greenhead rentals and it's relationship with the other's owned by Scheafer!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: AZLady on February 25, 2009, 03:48:01 PM

Registered Legacy offshore right before they go to Aruba?? ::MonkeyEek::


KTF:  Not only that, it was 5 days after that Q3 Earnings Conference Call.  They already had the papers back from the attorney, imo.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I tell ya, the human ego is something to be afraid of.



And these were the people looking for Natalee Holloway! ::MonkeyNoNo:: How hard would it have been to buy these chumps off if you were Aruba? ::MonkeyCool::

Aruba probably didn't even have to offer cash.  They could have offered exclusive rights to drill for the minerals, oil and gas found under the oceans around Aruba.  Aruba would waive all requirements for permits, licenses and other rubbish that they make up to refuse access to other parties.  And, remember, Aruba has an empty and abandoned refinery that they would love to see up and working again.  They could have offered that.  Not to mention the Aruban ability to hide and launder money, big amounts of money.  Oh, yes.  Aruba has a lot to offer the enterprising businessman, and it's not just cash.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 25, 2009, 03:48:16 PM
KTF,

Just wanted to post for Hotping and her PO Box research that I looked for a connection between Lisa A Anderson and William J Anderson (attorney for Superior Offshore mentioned in one of your posts last thread).  I came up short and had to give it up for a while.  There may be no connection, whatsoever, but the surname (which is common) stood out for me at the time. 
Thanks 2NJ.....Could anyone tell me the name of the law firm that William Anderson is associated with and where it is located...TIA...I have multiple things going on today...and I will let You all know later what I have come up with in regards to the PO Box.... ::MonkeyWink::
2NJ.... Are You sure that the name was William J Anderson or Could it have been William S Anderson see last of article below....

http://investing.businessweek.com/businessweek/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=38442772


Key developments for undefined (undefined)
Superior Offshore International, Inc. signed a definitive agreement to acquire Ocean Flow International, LLC from Karl Winter for $15.21 million.
10/18/2007
Superior Offshore International, Inc. (NasdaqNM: DEEP) signed a definitive agreement to acquire Ocean Flow International, LLC from Karl Winter for $15.21 million in stock on October 18, 2007. As per the terms of the agreement Superior Offshore will issue 0.96 million shares at the time of closing and keep 0.32 million shares shall be deposited in escrow for a period of two years following the closing which will be delivered to Karl Winter on the second anniversary of the closing. Karl Winter, Ocean Flow's founder will join Superior as Senior Vice President of Engineering and Subsea Development and continue his responsibilities as President of Ocean Flow, which will become a wholly owned subsidiary of Superior Offshore. The closing, which is subject to customary conditions including obtaining certain consents, execution of escrow agreement, execution of employment agreement and requiring that no law shall have been enacted, entered, promulgated or enforced by any governmental authority that prohibits or materially or adversely restricts the consummation of the transactions contemplated hereby or the operation of the business following closing. Superior Offshore or Karl may terminate the agreement if the closing shall not have occurred on or before November 30, 2007. Superior Offshore entered into an amendment agreement with Ocean Flow on November 29, 2007, pursuant to which date after which the parties may terminate the agreement if the closing of the merger has not occurred was extended from November 30, 2007 to December 28, 2007. William S. Anderson of Bracewell & Giuliani LLP acted as a legal advisor to Superior Offshore International, Inc.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 25, 2009, 03:49:05 PM
Found an article from 2006 that quotes Mermis (sp?) & Charles Zamora both with Superior Offshore.  At least it confirms he was employed by Schaefer for a while.  It also has pictures of the boats we've discussed that had been sold & contracted back.

http://www.offshoresource.com/pdf/os_aug_06.pdf




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 25, 2009, 03:49:25 PM
KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Caps - Witness - Shango - Simian - Shango - Detective - Detective's Brother - Eduardo

Kyle:
We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Kyle: This is what I'm trying to figure out now. I need to know the leak! I believe Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand

Kyle: I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.

Kyle: Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle:  IF a key detective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

Kyle:  My opinion on Simian is that he is a detective/cop involved in the case since the beginning. My understanding is that there is only one of the originals remaining. He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed. The vision was cryptic and actually contained a latitude which from what he claimed could have been anywhere in the world. The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude. Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap and centered on Arashi beach. Basically, if you stood on land and pointed straight to the trap and were right on the money... this is what the difference amounts to. Based on this latitude we payed a little more attention to the northern portions of the search grid near that Latitude. The trap was found shortly after, within the original search area, but very close to the provided latitude. I would have found the trap without the latitude, but it was very strange. None of us pressed the two for more information because they clearly were VERY uncomfortable.

The brother of the detective came to us and was very persistent over the information. He was almost in tears and just had to "clear his conscience" about it.

His brother, the detective came with him to 'validate him'.

Personally, I think the detective was Simian. The guy kept his mouth shut for the most part but was obviously intelligent and knew a lot more than he led on. It didn't seem he immediately trusted us but gradually became more comfortable, enough to talk.

I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap. Basically, by using his brother and claiming the information he shared was only based on a vision, it distances the detective from responsibility and makes it hard to point back to him should it be a problem later. I think the whole game was bogus and he knew almost everything but was helping how he was able and felt comfortable. I don't understand why he had to use his brother and claim a "vision".

The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up. Not wanting to be implicated but still wanting to help, he could shift the information to a vision of his brothers, perhaps still help a bit and claim no-involvement. However, this man was intelligent enough, cared about the case, yet was self implicated to a high enough level to want to be kept his knowledge a secret. He spoke well enough english and knew everything in my opinion. Perhaps I should find out his name. I never got it. We may never have.

Kyle: Based on the little I know of Simian, there are striking similarities that stood out after I laid down on the evening I met with the detective and his brother.Perhaps Simian is the detective and Shango is the brother.

Kyle:  Since the trap was only in 90ft of water and the detective knew about the latitude, did the Polis already know if it's location prior to the search?

Kyle:  The detective originally wouldn't meet with us and only wanted us to meet with his brother. We convinced him to meet along with his brother and made him feel as comfortable as possible. He reluctantly agreed but wouldn't talk. The brother did all the talking at first. It seemed to me the brother was acting out the "vision" scenario to protect the detective brother. It didn't feel like the brother was in any way corrupt or connected. Also, he wasn't that bright compared to the detective brother. After a while the detective started asking some questions and loosened up a bit. With the pointed questions he asked he proved he knew a lot, but we didn't press him.

Kyle:  The reason I think the detective is Simian is that:
- he is intimately connected to the case
- forced into silence
- both he and the brother seemed to want the case solved but the whole encounter was so cryptic
- he is condemned if his identity and knowledge were coth exposed. One or the other, he's still safe
- he was intelligent and had a good enough command over the english language (not common over the rest of the bunch)
- IF his brother was acting on his behalf with the whole 'I had a vision' act, then the detective's character supports pulling something like Simian off.
- the detective was very internet and computer savy, which was unusual for the bulk of the Polis.
- It seemed he knew who I was when we were introduced, and said something indicating he had been reading the blog.
- his character was very cryptic; the way he moved, spoke, and asked questions was just not normal.

Kyle:  Caps is not Simian. He has indicated he knows who was either Shango or Simian. The person he thinks it is, is a cop.

Kyle:  It was Clyde Burke that went to the meeting with Helen Lejuz

Kyle:  I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.


++++++


CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #2019 on: February 16, 2008, 03:12:09 PM »


Yes the government has his own set of lawyers and only work for the Government.  The Lawyers also represents a group that work hand in hand with the OM.

I was wondering which lawyer was on the Roll that night to handel the cases.  On the Roll means (schedule) How I know this is that my uncle is a Lawyer and He always talk abaout to have Roll duty.  It means that he is on the evening list to handel cases comming in that night. it can also be a sub prosecuter.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2000


CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1348 on: May 06, 2008, 03:06:59 AM »


Today withness talk to lawyer to see what is the hold-up, lawyer state every thing is OK and group are working on the case. Large dutch CSI. (case is under the microscope---but no american involvment is a bit strange.)

After deliberating with withness on this, we conclude 3 things that might come out of this.

The case will break wide open and all players will be found or they came in secret now that the water has gone to do a forensic and find Natalee remains or cleanup what they could not cleanup in 3 years and say "se la vi" to the case

MOS seems to go for option-1 but like I said, he still have to fight a Dirtyhand in his Office / organization.

Latest is that OM is now in hot water since they also have somehow exceed the 2001 till 2005 budged (OVER SPEND), also no one was watching the money that they were collecting from big fines and other confiscated moneys. The is a problem (hot scandal comming out soon from this office.)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379248#msg379248






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 25, 2009, 03:50:06 PM


Registered Legacy offshore right before they go to Aruba?? ::MonkeyEek::


KTF:  Not only that, it was 5 days after that Q3 Earnings Conference Call.  They already had the papers back from the attorney, imo.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I tell ya, the human ego is something to be afraid of.



I'm interested in all the company name changes

Superior Diving/Superior Offshore
Legacy Diging & Construction/Legacy Offshore

Not to mention his holding companies

Schaefer Holdings (x 2)
Schaefer Realty Holdings (or whatever that other one was I found yesterday)

Why the need for all of that, if everything is on the up and up?

And those are just the ones we know about ::MonkeyEek::

Just my opinion, it's all about protection.  The key is in the Limited Liability.  Mortgage your assets up to more than their value if you can.  Insure them for the minimum required by the Bid Request. If a lawsuit does penetrate your LLC, there's nothing to be won because the creditor has first right to the asset.  You're protected.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Can you believe we are the same species that used to believe it was immoral to even charge interest?







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 25, 2009, 03:51:32 PM

Registered Legacy offshore right before they go to Aruba?? ::MonkeyEek::


KTF:  Not only that, it was 5 days after that Q3 Earnings Conference Call.  They already had the papers back from the attorney, imo.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I tell ya, the human ego is something to be afraid of.



I'm interested in all the company name changes

Superior Diving/Superior Offshore
Legacy Diging & Construction/Legacy Offshore

Not to mention his holding companies

Schaefer Holdings (x 2)
Schaefer Realty Holdings (or whatever that other one was I found yesterday)

Why the need for all of that, if everything is on the up and up?

And those are just the ones we know about ::MonkeyEek::

Dont forget Greenhead Rentals which is under his son's name i believe.In the court documents in the class-action it state's that he was paying his son's for doing nothing.Learning about Greenhead rentals and it's relationship with the other's owned by Scheafer!

Oh, you mean this one with the same address as Legacy?


Greenhead Rentals, L L C
1042 Petroleum Pkwy, Broussard, LA 70518-8020
Contact Phone: (337) 367-3668 
URL (web address): 
Business Category: Heavy Construction Equipment Rental in Broussard, LA
Industry (SIC): Heavy Construction Equipment Rental and Leasing

Location Type: Single Location
Est. Annual Sales: $500,000 
Est. # of Employees: 10 
Est. Empl. at Loc.: 10 
Year Started: 2007 
State of Incorp: 
SIC #Code: 7353 
Contact's Name: Graham Schaefer 
Contact's Title: 
NAICS: Construction, Mining, and Forestry Machinery and Equipment Rental and Leasing
http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_6kv4ff



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 25, 2009, 03:52:51 PM


Registered Legacy offshore right before they go to Aruba?? ::MonkeyEek::


KTF:  Not only that, it was 5 days after that Q3 Earnings Conference Call.  They already had the papers back from the attorney, imo.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I tell ya, the human ego is something to be afraid of.



I'm interested in all the company name changes

Superior Diving/Superior Offshore
Legacy Diging & Construction/Legacy Offshore

Not to mention his holding companies

Schaefer Holdings (x 2)
Schaefer Realty Holdings (or whatever that other one was I found yesterday)

Why the need for all of that, if everything is on the up and up?

And those are just the ones we know about ::MonkeyEek::

Just my opinion, it's all about protection.  The key is in the Limited Liability.  Mortgage your assets up to more than their value if you can.  Insure them for the minimum required by the Bid Request. If a lawsuit does penetrate your LLC, there's nothing to be won because the creditor has first right to the asset.  You're protected.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Can you believe we are the same species that used to believe it was immoral to even charge interest?







10% interest rates were considered "loan sharking"!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 03:54:48 PM

Registered Legacy offshore right before they go to Aruba?? ::MonkeyEek::


KTF:  Not only that, it was 5 days after that Q3 Earnings Conference Call.  They already had the papers back from the attorney, imo.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I tell ya, the human ego is something to be afraid of.



I'm interested in all the company name changes

Superior Diving/Superior Offshore
Legacy Diging & Construction/Legacy Offshore

Not to mention his holding companies

Schaefer Holdings (x 2)
Schaefer Realty Holdings (or whatever that other one was I found yesterday)

Why the need for all of that, if everything is on the up and up?

And those are just the ones we know about ::MonkeyEek::

Dont forget Greenhead Rentals which is under his son's name i believe.In the court documents in the class-action it state's that he was paying his son's for doing nothing.Learning about Greenhead rentals and it's relationship with the other's owned by Scheafer!

Oh, you mean this one with the same address as Legacy?


Greenhead Rentals, L L C
1042 Petroleum Pkwy, Broussard, LA 70518-8020
Contact Phone: (337) 367-3668 
URL (web address): 
Business Category: Heavy Construction Equipment Rental in Broussard, LA
Industry (SIC): Heavy Construction Equipment Rental and Leasing

Location Type: Single Location
Est. Annual Sales: $500,000 
Est. # of Employees: 10 
Est. Empl. at Loc.: 10 
Year Started: 2007 
State of Incorp: 
SIC #Code: 7353 
Contact's Name: Graham Schaefer 
Contact's Title: 
NAICS: Construction, Mining, and Forestry Machinery and Equipment Rental and Leasing
http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_6kv4ff



I believe that would be it! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 25, 2009, 03:55:09 PM
KTF,

Just wanted to post for Hotping and her PO Box research that I looked for a connection between Lisa A Anderson and William J Anderson (attorney for Superior Offshore mentioned in one of your posts last thread).  I came up short and had to give it up for a while.  There may be no connection, whatsoever, but the surname (which is common) stood out for me at the time. 
Thanks 2NJ.....Could anyone tell me the name of the law firm that William Anderson is associated with and where it is located...TIA...I have multiple things going on today...and I will let You all know later what I have come up with in regards to the PO Box.... ::MonkeyWink::
2NJ.... Are You sure that the name was William J Anderson or Could it have been William S Anderson see last of article below....

http://investing.businessweek.com/businessweek/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=38442772


Key developments for undefined (undefined)
Superior Offshore International, Inc. signed a definitive agreement to acquire Ocean Flow International, LLC from Karl Winter for $15.21 million.
10/18/2007
Superior Offshore International, Inc. (NasdaqNM: DEEP) signed a definitive agreement to acquire Ocean Flow International, LLC from Karl Winter for $15.21 million in stock on October 18, 2007. As per the terms of the agreement Superior Offshore will issue 0.96 million shares at the time of closing and keep 0.32 million shares shall be deposited in escrow for a period of two years following the closing which will be delivered to Karl Winter on the second anniversary of the closing. Karl Winter, Ocean Flow's founder will join Superior as Senior Vice President of Engineering and Subsea Development and continue his responsibilities as President of Ocean Flow, which will become a wholly owned subsidiary of Superior Offshore. The closing, which is subject to customary conditions including obtaining certain consents, execution of escrow agreement, execution of employment agreement and requiring that no law shall have been enacted, entered, promulgated or enforced by any governmental authority that prohibits or materially or adversely restricts the consummation of the transactions contemplated hereby or the operation of the business following closing. Superior Offshore or Karl may terminate the agreement if the closing shall not have occurred on or before November 30, 2007. Superior Offshore entered into an amendment agreement with Ocean Flow on November 29, 2007, pursuant to which date after which the parties may terminate the agreement if the closing of the merger has not occurred was extended from November 30, 2007 to December 28, 2007. William S. Anderson of Bracewell & Giuliani LLP acted as a legal advisor to Superior Offshore International, Inc.



You're right, my typo.   Was just about to post.

http://www.bracewellgiuliani.com/index.cfm/fa/home.home/home.cfm

http://www.bracewellgiuliani.com/index.cfm/fa/lawyer.profile/attorney/83d25416-4b90-4726-a9dd-788eb4a1847b/William_S_Anderson.cfm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 25, 2009, 03:55:29 PM
Kermit will be pleased.  The pond is no longer frozen over and the pathway leading to it is no longer covered with snow.  I will get Veggie to check the small bulbs in the Japanese laterns that outline that small body of water.  In a couple of months Kermit can swim with some large Goldfish that will take up residence.
/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4574.700

(http://i1.iofferphoto.com/img/item/552/826/06/cf91_1.JPG)
fond memories of Ms. Janet and Veggies pond



Thanks for the trip down memory lane Kermit.

After the skating session ... remember how you, Miss Piggy, Veggie and I drank hot chocolate while warming ourselves in front of the livingroom fireplace.   The four of us talked and taked and taked.  The four of us laughed and laughed and laughed.

I am wishing for yesterday again.  I must be getting old.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 25, 2009, 03:56:05 PM
KTF,

Just wanted to post for Hotping and her PO Box research that I looked for a connection between Lisa A Anderson and William J Anderson (attorney for Superior Offshore mentioned in one of your posts last thread).  I came up short and had to give it up for a while.  There may be no connection, whatsoever, but the surname (which is common) stood out for me at the time. 
Thanks 2NJ.....Could anyone tell me the name of the law firm that William Anderson is associated with and where it is located...TIA...I have multiple things going on today...and I will let You all know later what I have come up with in regards to the PO Box.... ::MonkeyWink::
2NJ.... Are You sure that the name was William J Anderson or Could it have been William S Anderson see last of article below....

http://investing.businessweek.com/businessweek/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=38442772


Key developments for undefined (undefined)
Superior Offshore International, Inc. signed a definitive agreement to acquire Ocean Flow International, LLC from Karl Winter for $15.21 million.
10/18/2007
Superior Offshore International, Inc. (NasdaqNM: DEEP) signed a definitive agreement to acquire Ocean Flow International, LLC from Karl Winter for $15.21 million in stock on October 18, 2007. As per the terms of the agreement Superior Offshore will issue 0.96 million shares at the time of closing and keep 0.32 million shares shall be deposited in escrow for a period of two years following the closing which will be delivered to Karl Winter on the second anniversary of the closing. Karl Winter, Ocean Flow's founder will join Superior as Senior Vice President of Engineering and Subsea Development and continue his responsibilities as President of Ocean Flow, which will become a wholly owned subsidiary of Superior Offshore. The closing, which is subject to customary conditions including obtaining certain consents, execution of escrow agreement, execution of employment agreement and requiring that no law shall have been enacted, entered, promulgated or enforced by any governmental authority that prohibits or materially or adversely restricts the consummation of the transactions contemplated hereby or the operation of the business following closing. Superior Offshore or Karl may terminate the agreement if the closing shall not have occurred on or before November 30, 2007. Superior Offshore entered into an amendment agreement with Ocean Flow on November 29, 2007, pursuant to which date after which the parties may terminate the agreement if the closing of the merger has not occurred was extended from November 30, 2007 to December 28, 2007. William S. Anderson of Bracewell & Giuliani LLP acted as a legal advisor to Superior Offshore International, Inc.


 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 25, 2009, 03:57:37 PM

Registered Legacy offshore right before they go to Aruba?? ::MonkeyEek::


KTF:  Not only that, it was 5 days after that Q3 Earnings Conference Call.  They already had the papers back from the attorney, imo.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I tell ya, the human ego is something to be afraid of.



I'm interested in all the company name changes

Superior Diving/Superior Offshore
Legacy Diging & Construction/Legacy Offshore

Not to mention his holding companies

Schaefer Holdings (x 2)
Schaefer Realty Holdings (or whatever that other one was I found yesterday)

Why the need for all of that, if everything is on the up and up?

And those are just the ones we know about ::MonkeyEek::

Dont forget Greenhead Rentals which is under his son's name i believe.In the court documents in the class-action it state's that he was paying his son's for doing nothing.Learning about Greenhead rentals and it's relationship with the other's owned by Scheafer!

Yeah, I've been seeing these Rental companies with both Schaefer and with Silvetti.  I think that may be a way they get revenue from some of their equipment when the ship its assigned to is in drydock (I'm making this up, just so you know, haven't researched it at all.) 

It's a way to at least recoup some revenue for the costs of maintenance and repair on the ship. 

Example:  Legacy owns a fancy thingamabob it won't be using for the next 6 months.
              Greenhead rents it from Legacy for $100/day
              AAA Offshore, doing a project in the Gulf had an ok thingamabob, but it just broke - so they call Greenhead and rent one the fancy one for $200/day so they don't get behind schedule.

Again - I'm making all of this up.  Just makes sense to me.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: AZLady on February 25, 2009, 03:58:36 PM
Janet, the phrasing of Kyle's requests bothers me.  He NEEDS to know.  Why?  Is there someone inside the ALE who is still honest and can't be bought?  Is there someone who would betray them should they find Natalee's remains and destroy these remains without giving them to her family?


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Caps - Witness - Shango - Simian - Shango - Detective - Detective's Brother - Eduardo

Kyle:
We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Kyle: This is what I'm trying to figure out now. I need to know the leak! I believe Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand

Kyle: I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.

Kyle: Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle:  IF a key detective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

Kyle:  My opinion on Simian is that he is a detective/cop involved in the case since the beginning. My understanding is that there is only one of the originals remaining. He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed. The vision was cryptic and actually contained a latitude which from what he claimed could have been anywhere in the world. The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude. Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap and centered on Arashi beach. Basically, if you stood on land and pointed straight to the trap and were right on the money... this is what the difference amounts to. Based on this latitude we payed a little more attention to the northern portions of the search grid near that Latitude. The trap was found shortly after, within the original search area, but very close to the provided latitude. I would have found the trap without the latitude, but it was very strange. None of us pressed the two for more information because they clearly were VERY uncomfortable.

The brother of the detective came to us and was very persistent over the information. He was almost in tears and just had to "clear his conscience" about it.

His brother, the detective came with him to 'validate him'.

Personally, I think the detective was Simian. The guy kept his mouth shut for the most part but was obviously intelligent and knew a lot more than he led on. It didn't seem he immediately trusted us but gradually became more comfortable, enough to talk.

I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap. Basically, by using his brother and claiming the information he shared was only based on a vision, it distances the detective from responsibility and makes it hard to point back to him should it be a problem later. I think the whole game was bogus and he knew almost everything but was helping how he was able and felt comfortable. I don't understand why he had to use his brother and claim a "vision".

The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up. Not wanting to be implicated but still wanting to help, he could shift the information to a vision of his brothers, perhaps still help a bit and claim no-involvement. However, this man was intelligent enough, cared about the case, yet was self implicated to a high enough level to want to be kept his knowledge a secret. He spoke well enough english and knew everything in my opinion. Perhaps I should find out his name. I never got it. We may never have.

Kyle: Based on the little I know of Simian, there are striking similarities that stood out after I laid down on the evening I met with the detective and his brother.Perhaps Simian is the detective and Shango is the brother.

Kyle:  Since the trap was only in 90ft of water and the detective knew about the latitude, did the Polis already know if it's location prior to the search?

Kyle:  The detective originally wouldn't meet with us and only wanted us to meet with his brother. We convinced him to meet along with his brother and made him feel as comfortable as possible. He reluctantly agreed but wouldn't talk. The brother did all the talking at first. It seemed to me the brother was acting out the "vision" scenario to protect the detective brother. It didn't feel like the brother was in any way corrupt or connected. Also, he wasn't that bright compared to the detective brother. After a while the detective started asking some questions and loosened up a bit. With the pointed questions he asked he proved he knew a lot, but we didn't press him.

Kyle:  The reason I think the detective is Simian is that:
- he is intimately connected to the case
- forced into silence
- both he and the brother seemed to want the case solved but the whole encounter was so cryptic
- he is condemned if his identity and knowledge were coth exposed. One or the other, he's still safe
- he was intelligent and had a good enough command over the english language (not common over the rest of the bunch)
- IF his brother was acting on his behalf with the whole 'I had a vision' act, then the detective's character supports pulling something like Simian off.
- the detective was very internet and computer savy, which was unusual for the bulk of the Polis.
- It seemed he knew who I was when we were introduced, and said something indicating he had been reading the blog.
- his character was very cryptic; the way he moved, spoke, and asked questions was just not normal.

Kyle:  Caps is not Simian. He has indicated he knows who was either Shango or Simian. The person he thinks it is, is a cop.

Kyle:  It was Clyde Burke that went to the meeting with Helen Lejuz

Kyle:  I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.


++++++


CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #2019 on: February 16, 2008, 03:12:09 PM »


Yes the government has his own set of lawyers and only work for the Government.  The Lawyers also represents a group that work hand in hand with the OM.

I was wondering which lawyer was on the Roll that night to handel the cases.  On the Roll means (schedule) How I know this is that my uncle is a Lawyer and He always talk abaout to have Roll duty.  It means that he is on the evening list to handel cases comming in that night. it can also be a sub prosecuter.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2000


CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1348 on: May 06, 2008, 03:06:59 AM »


Today withness talk to lawyer to see what is the hold-up, lawyer state every thing is OK and group are working on the case. Large dutch CSI. (case is under the microscope---but no american involvment is a bit strange.)

After deliberating with withness on this, we conclude 3 things that might come out of this.

The case will break wide open and all players will be found or they came in secret now that the water has gone to do a forensic and find Natalee remains or cleanup what they could not cleanup in 3 years and say "se la vi" to the case

MOS seems to go for option-1 but like I said, he still have to fight a Dirtyhand in his Office / organization.

Latest is that OM is now in hot water since they also have somehow exceed the 2001 till 2005 budged (OVER SPEND), also no one was watching the money that they were collecting from big fines and other confiscated moneys. The is a problem (hot scandal comming out soon from this office.)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379248#msg379248







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 25, 2009, 03:58:36 PM
KTF,

Just wanted to post for Hotping and her PO Box research that I looked for a connection between Lisa A Anderson and William J Anderson (attorney for Superior Offshore mentioned in one of your posts last thread).  I came up short and had to give it up for a while.  There may be no connection, whatsoever, but the surname (which is common) stood out for me at the time. 
Thanks 2NJ.....Could anyone tell me the name of the law firm that William Anderson is associated with and where it is located...TIA...I have multiple things going on today...and I will let You all know later what I have come up with in regards to the PO Box.... ::MonkeyWink::
2NJ.... Are You sure that the name was William J Anderson or Could it have been William S Anderson see last of article below....

http://investing.businessweek.com/businessweek/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=38442772


Key developments for undefined (undefined)
Superior Offshore International, Inc. signed a definitive agreement to acquire Ocean Flow International, LLC from Karl Winter for $15.21 million.
10/18/2007
Superior Offshore International, Inc. (NasdaqNM: DEEP) signed a definitive agreement to acquire Ocean Flow International, LLC from Karl Winter for $15.21 million in stock on October 18, 2007. As per the terms of the agreement Superior Offshore will issue 0.96 million shares at the time of closing and keep 0.32 million shares shall be deposited in escrow for a period of two years following the closing which will be delivered to Karl Winter on the second anniversary of the closing. Karl Winter, Ocean Flow's founder will join Superior as Senior Vice President of Engineering and Subsea Development and continue his responsibilities as President of Ocean Flow, which will become a wholly owned subsidiary of Superior Offshore. The closing, which is subject to customary conditions including obtaining certain consents, execution of escrow agreement, execution of employment agreement and requiring that no law shall have been enacted, entered, promulgated or enforced by any governmental authority that prohibits or materially or adversely restricts the consummation of the transactions contemplated hereby or the operation of the business following closing. Superior Offshore or Karl may terminate the agreement if the closing shall not have occurred on or before November 30, 2007. Superior Offshore entered into an amendment agreement with Ocean Flow on November 29, 2007, pursuant to which date after which the parties may terminate the agreement if the closing of the merger has not occurred was extended from November 30, 2007 to December 28, 2007. William S. Anderson of Bracewell & Giuliani LLP acted as a legal advisor to Superior Offshore International, Inc.



You're right, my typo.   Was just about to post.

http://www.bracewellgiuliani.com/index.cfm/fa/home.home/home.cfm

http://www.bracewellgiuliani.com/index.cfm/fa/lawyer.profile/attorney/83d25416-4b90-4726-a9dd-788eb4a1847b/William_S_Anderson.cfm
Thanks 2NJ......Back to researching I go....BBL  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 03:59:46 PM
Wonder if Taco has any friends in this firm????Bracewell & Giuliani LLP


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: AZLady on February 25, 2009, 04:05:12 PM
Lifesong, additionally, should a business have to file annually a statement of property value, it might be to the business's advantage to sell or lease some of its property to another business so as not to show too much capital or property.  Then, they can always "lease" it back.   Kind of like saying this $87,000 education savings account really belongs to my 3 year old daughter so I don't have to claim it as part of my assets or income or pay any taxes on it.  It's my daughter's, so taxes will be paid on it at her rate (much less because she makes no income).  I had an ex-spouse who did this once.  Daughter was 19, though, not 3, and found the bank statements.  She went to bank, withdrew the money, and closed the account.  Boy, was he mad!  ;-)  Smart girl--she takes after her Mom!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 25, 2009, 04:10:30 PM
KTF,

Just wanted to post for Hotping and her PO Box research that I looked for a connection between Lisa A Anderson and William J Anderson (attorney for Superior Offshore mentioned in one of your posts last thread).  I came up short and had to give it up for a while.  There may be no connection, whatsoever, but the surname (which is common) stood out for me at the time. 
Thanks 2NJ.....Could anyone tell me the name of the law firm that William Anderson is associated with and where it is located...TIA...I have multiple things going on today...and I will let You all know later what I have come up with in regards to the PO Box.... ::MonkeyWink::
2NJ.... Are You sure that the name was William J Anderson or Could it have been William S Anderson see last of article below....

http://investing.businessweek.com/businessweek/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=38442772


Key developments for undefined (undefined)
Superior Offshore International, Inc. signed a definitive agreement to acquire Ocean Flow International, LLC from Karl Winter for $15.21 million.
10/18/2007
Superior Offshore International, Inc. (NasdaqNM: DEEP) signed a definitive agreement to acquire Ocean Flow International, LLC from Karl Winter for $15.21 million in stock on October 18, 2007. As per the terms of the agreement Superior Offshore will issue 0.96 million shares at the time of closing and keep 0.32 million shares shall be deposited in escrow for a period of two years following the closing which will be delivered to Karl Winter on the second anniversary of the closing. Karl Winter, Ocean Flow's founder will join Superior as Senior Vice President of Engineering and Subsea Development and continue his responsibilities as President of Ocean Flow, which will become a wholly owned subsidiary of Superior Offshore. The closing, which is subject to customary conditions including obtaining certain consents, execution of escrow agreement, execution of employment agreement and requiring that no law shall have been enacted, entered, promulgated or enforced by any governmental authority that prohibits or materially or adversely restricts the consummation of the transactions contemplated hereby or the operation of the business following closing. Superior Offshore or Karl may terminate the agreement if the closing shall not have occurred on or before November 30, 2007. Superior Offshore entered into an amendment agreement with Ocean Flow on November 29, 2007, pursuant to which date after which the parties may terminate the agreement if the closing of the merger has not occurred was extended from November 30, 2007 to December 28, 2007. William S. Anderson of Bracewell & Giuliani LLP acted as a legal advisor to Superior Offshore International, Inc.



You're right, my typo.   Was just about to post.

http://www.bracewellgiuliani.com/index.cfm/fa/home.home/home.cfm

http://www.bracewellgiuliani.com/index.cfm/fa/lawyer.profile/attorney/83d25416-4b90-4726-a9dd-788eb4a1847b/William_S_Anderson.cfm
Thanks 2NJ......Back to researching I go....BBL  ::MonkeyWink::

Here is something of a bio on him.  Maybe it will get you closer to tying him to that woman?

William S. Anderson
Download V-card Partner
Houston
T: 713.221.1122
F: 713.437.5370
E: will.anderson@bgllp.com
Assistant
Janice Ashton
713.223.2300 x2015

William S. Anderson represents issuers, selling security holders and underwriters in his capital markets, general corporate and securities law practice that, to date, has raised over $20 billion in diverse sectors of the economy. He routinely handles SEC-registered transactions and has extensive experience with equity, debt and convertible securities. Mr. Anderson participates in the development and implementation of innovative transaction structures, including tracking stock, adjustable conversion rate equity security units, contingent convertible debt instruments, Tier 1 capital securities issued by non U.S. banks, and other structures that achieve clients’ accounting and tax treatment strategies. He has worked with companies across multiple industries, such as energy, telecommunications, software, e-business, biotechnology, genomics, pharmaceuticals, media and entertainment, airlines, insurance, financial services and real estate investment trusts.


View Detailed Description >

Mr. Anderson handles high profile transactions, such as the first SEC-registered offering of asset-backed securities secured by insurance premium finance loans and the first joint venture in the history of the Goldman Sachs Group. He represents purchasers, sellers and financial advisors in complex negotiated acquisitions of publicly held companies, equity investments in privately held companies, joint ventures, and strategic alliances and spin-offs.

In addition, Mr. Anderson regularly advises issuers and their executive officers and directors on corporate governance and compliance matters and fiduciary duties of directors and officers.

Mr. Anderson began his legal career in 1994 with Sullivan & Cromwell LLP where he practiced until June 2003 when he joined Bracewell & Giulliani LLP as a partner. Prior to relocating to Houston, Mr. Anderson practiced in New York City, Hong Kong and Palo Alto, where he helped found Sullivan & Cromwell’s Silicon Valley office. Prior to attending law school, Mr. Anderson worked in the financial consulting and audit division of a major public accounting firm.

Representative Matters
Capital Markets

A.I. Credit Corp., a subsidiary of American International Group Inc. Counsel to the issuer in a $208 million SEC-registered offering of floating rate asset backed securities, the first SEC-registered offering of asset-backed securities secured by insurance premium finance loans.

Airborne Inc. Counsel to the underwriters in a $150 million Rule 144A offering of convertible senior notes.

Allied Riser Communications Corporation. Counsel to a venture capital investor in convertible preferred stock, common stock and warrants.

APT Satellite Holdings Ltd. (Hong Kong). Counsel to the principal stockholders in a $165 million SEC-registered IPO of common stock and listing on the New York Stock Exchange and the Hong Kong Stock Exchange.

Asia Satellite Telecommunications Holdings Ltd. (Hong Kong). Counsel to the issuer and selling stockholders in a $313 million SEC-registered IPO of common stock and listing on the NYSE and the Hong Kong Stock Exchange.

Blue Chip Casino Inc. Counsel to the placement agent and the purchasers in a Reg. D private placement of senior subordinated discount notes.

Capital Trust. Counsel to an investor in a $150 million Reg. D private placement of convertible trust preferred securities of a Delaware trust in a QUIPs type structure.

Catena Networks Inc. Counsel to the placement agent in a $75 million Reg. D private placement of convertible preferred stock.

Captivate Network Inc. Counsel to a venture capital investor in convertible preferred stock.

General Growth Properties Inc. Counsel to the issuer in a $330 million SEC-registered offering of common stock.

Genuity Inc. Counsel to the underwriters in a $1.9 billion SEC-registered IPO of common stock and listing on the NASDAQ national market, one of the world’s five largest IPOs in 2000 according to The Wall Street Journal.

Great Eagle Holdings Ltd. (Hong Kong). Sole international counsel in a $125 million Rule 144A and Reg. S offering of a Cayman Islands special purpose entity’s convertible bonds guaranteed by, and exchangeable for common stock of, Great Eagle Holdings Ltd.

Hutchison Whampoa Ltd (Hong Kong). Counsel to the issuer in a $2.0 billion Rule 144A and Reg. S offering of debt securities. Named best overall asian debt deal and best Asian yankee bond in 1997 (Finance Asia); Asian Borrower of the Year in 1997 (International Financing Review); and International Deal of the Year in 1997 (Institutional Investor).

Immunex Corporation. Counsel to the underwriters in a $3.2 billion SEC-registered secondary offering of common stock, the largest biotechnology common stock offering ever according to Morgan Stanley.

The Industrial Bank of Japan Ltd. (Japan). Counsel to the issuer in a ¥ 176 billion ($1.5 billion) Reg. S offering of a Cayman Islands special purpose entity’s preferred equity, which constituted Tier 1 capital of the bank.

Loews Cineplex Entertainment Corporation. Counsel to the underwriters in a $200 million Rule 144A and Reg. S offering of senior subordinated notes.

Mass Transit Railway Corporation (Hong Kong). Counsel to the issuer in a $300 million SEC-registered offering of notes.

Merrill Lynch & Co. Inc. Counsel to the underwriters in a $425 million SEC-registered offering of depositary shares, each representing a 1/400 interest in a share of Merrill Lynch’s nine percent cumulative preferred stock.

New York Times Digital, a division of The New York Times Company. Counsel to the underwriters in the proposed SEC-registered IPO of tracking stock.

Nextlink Communications Inc. Counsel to the underwriters in a $500 million Rule 144A and Reg. S offering of senior notes.

Overstock.com, Inc. Counsel to the issuer in a $100 million Rule 144A offering of convertible senior notes.

Overstock.com Inc. Counsel to the issuer in a $69 million SEC-registered offering of common stock.

Parker Drilling Company. Counsel to the issuer in a $150 million Rule 144A and Reg. S offering of senior floating rate notes due 2010.

Parker Drilling Company. Counsel to the issuer in a cash tender offer for up to $80 million outstanding principal amount of its 10 1/8 percent senior notes due 2009.

Parker Drilling Company. Counsel to the issuer in a $175 million Rule 144A and Reg. S offering of 9 5/8 percent senior notes due 2013 and a $150 million senior secured credit facility.

Parker Drilling Company. Counsel to the issuer in a cash tender offer and consent solicitation for any and all of the $214 million outstanding principal amount of its 9 3/4 percent senior notes due 2006 and a consent solicitation relating to its 10 1/8 percent senior notes due 2009.

Parker Drilling Company. Counsel to the issuer in a $175 million SEC-registered exchange offer for privately issued senior notes.

PAULA Financial. Counsel to the underwriters in a $53million SEC-registered IPO and listing on the NYSE of common stock.

Perlegen Sciences Inc. and Affymetrix Inc. Counsel to Perlegen Sciences and Affymetrix in the formation of Perlegen Sciences as a wholly owned subsidiary of Affymetrix and the preparation of various contribution, license, chip supply and services agreements.

Perlegen Sciences Inc. Counsel to the issuer in a $100 million Reg. D private placement of convertible preferred stock.

Plitt Theatres Inc. Counsel to the dealer-manager in an issuer tender offer for, and consent solicitation relating to, $200 million of senior subordinated notes.

PMC-Sierra Inc. Counsel to the underwriters in a $275 million Rule 144A offering of convertible subordinated notes.

The PMI Group Inc. Counsel to the issuer in a $360 million Rule 144A offering of senior contingent convertible debentures (contingent conversion and contingent payment of interest) and the related resale registration statement filed with the SEC.

PTT Exploration and Production Public Company Ltd (Thailand). Counsel to the underwriters in a $200 million Rule 144A, Section 4 (1 1/2) and Reg. S offering of notes, the first Yankee bond offering by a Thai corporate and Thai state enterprise.

The Sakura Bank Ltd (Japan). Counsel to the placement agent in a ¥ 25 billion ($206 million) Reg. S offering of a Cayman Islands special purpose entity’s preferred equity and a ¥ 5 billion ($41 million) Reg. S offering of a Cayman Islands special purpose entity’s notes, each of which constituted Tier 1 capital of the bank.

The Sakura Bank Ltd (Japan). Counsel to the placement agent in a ¥ 258.7 billion ($2.1 billion) Reg. S offering of a Cayman Islands special purpose entity’s preferred equity, which constituted Tier 1 capital of the bank.

Siam Commercial Bank Public Company Ltd (Thailand). Sole international counsel in a $150 million Rule 144A and Reg. S offering of the Singapore branch’s subordinated notes.

Siteline Inc. Counsel to a venture capital investor in convertible preferred stock.

SmarTone Telecommunications Holdings Ltd (Hong Kong). Counsel to the issuer in a $187 million Rule 144A and Reg. S IPO of common stock and listing on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange.

Staples.com, a division of Staples Inc. Counsel to the underwriters in the proposed SEC-registered IPO of tracking stock.

The Sumitomo Bank Ltd (Japan). Counsel to the placement agent in a ¥ 340 billion ($2.8 billion) Reg. S offering of a Cayman Islands special purpose entity’s preferred equity, which constituted Tier 1 capital of the bank.

Sweetwater Investors LLC. Counsel to the underwriters in a $168 million Rule 144A offering of senior secured notes, the proceeds of which were used to purchase a limited term, non-participating royalty interest derived from certain coal and trona leases from an indirect subsidiary of Anadarko Petroleum Corporation.

Texas Petrochemicals LP. Counsel to TPLP in connection with its bankruptcy reorganization and in a rights offering of $31 million of common stock and senior secured convertible notes to unsecured creditors under Rule 1145 of the Bankruptcy Code, a $49 million Reg. D private placement to private equity funds of common stock and senior secured convertible notes and a distribution of common stock valued at $73 million to unsecured creditors under Rule 1145 of the Bankruptcy Code.

Unifi Communications Inc. Counsel to the majority stockholder in a $175 million Rule 144A and Reg. S offering of units, consisting of debt securities and warrants to purchase common stock, and a related financial restructuring.

Vornado Realty L.P. Counsel to the issuer in numerous transactions, including five separate Reg. D private placements of preferred units totaling $440 million.

Vornado Realty Trust. Counsel to the issuer in numerous transactions, including several SEC-registered public offerings of common shares totaling $1.2 billion, several SEC-registered offerings of cumulative redeemable preferred shares, totaling $200 million and a $1 billion revolving credit agreement.

The Walking Company. Counsel to the issuer in a Reg. D private placement of convertible preferred stock.

Yangming Marine Transport Corporation (Taiwan). Counsel to the underwriters in a $116 million Rule 144A and Reg. S IPO and listing on the London Stock Exchange of common shares in the form of global depositary receipts.

Merger & Acquisitions

Airborne Inc./DHL. Counsel to the financial advisor to Airborne in the $1.05 billion acquisition of Airborne’s ground operations by DHL and the separation of Airborne’s air operations from its ground operations into an independent public company called ABX Air Inc.

AKQA New Media Ltd/Citron Haligman Bedecarré Incorporated. Counsel to AKQA in the stock-for-stock merger of AKQA New Media and Citron Haligman Bedecarré.

Arbor Property Trust/Vornado Realty Trust. Counsel to Vornado in its $225 million acquisition of Arbor Property Trust in a stock-for-stock merger.

Archipelago Holdings LLC. Counsel to the Goldman Sachs Group Inc. in the investment by Goldman Sachs and E*Trade Group Inc. in Archipelago, the United States’ first totally open, all electronic stock exchange.

Archipelago Holdings L.L.C. Counsel to Archipelago in the sale of minority interests to American Century Companies Inc, BNP Cooper Neff , CNBC, Instinet Corporation, J.P. Morgan and Merrill Lynch & Co. in a series of separate transactions over several years.

Archipelago Holdings LLC. Counsel to Archipelago in the development of an innovative equity entitlement program designed to provide participants with the opportunity to acquire equity in Archipelago based upon qualifying order flow.

Cadence Design Systems Inc./Simplex Solutions Inc. Counsel to the financial advisor to Cadence in the $300 million acquisition of Simplex by Cadence in a stock-for-stock merger.

Callida Genomics Inc. and N-Mer Inc. Counsel to Affymetrix Inc. in the formation and initial funding of two collaborative biotechnology joint ventures (including cross-licensing, chip supply and product solicitation arrangements) in connection with the comprehensive settlement of all existing patent infringement litigation between Affymetrix and Hyseq Inc.

Compañía Panameña de Aviación S.A. Counsel to COPA and its principal shareholder in the sale of a significant equity interest in COPA, the primary air carrier in the Republic of Panamá, to Continental Airlines Inc. and a broad-based alliance with Continental, which included marketing, code sharing, frequent flyer programs and the provision of various services.

eBay Inc./PayPal Inc. Counsel to eBay in its $1.5 billion acquisition of PayPal in a stock-for-stock merger, named one of “The 2002 Deals of the Year” by Institutional Investor.

E*Trade Group Inc. Counsel to Softbank Corp. in connection with its sale of common stock of E*Trade Group in a block trade under Rule 144.

Expo Comm. Counsel to Ziff-Davis Inc. in the sale of Ziff-Davis’ interest in Expo Comm.

Fairbanks Capital Holding Corp. Counsel to The PMI Group Inc. in connection with its acquisition of a majority interest in Fairbanks.

The International Engineering Public Company Ltd. (Thailand). Counsel to a private equity investor in the acquisition of a significant equity interest in the International Engineering Public Company Limited, a Thai public company with its shares listed on the Stock Exchange of Thailand.

Klemp China (Shanghai) Corporation Ltd. (China). Counsel to Chatwins Group Inc. in the formation of a joint venture in Shanghai, China.

Kotak Mahindra Capital Company (India). Counsel to the Goldman Sachs Group Inc. in the formation of a strategic alliance with, and the acquisition of a significant equity interest in, Kotak Mahindra Capital Company, an Indian investment banking firm and a subsidiary of Kotak Mahindra Finance Ltd, one of India’s leading financial services firms, the first joint venture in the history of Goldman Sachs.

Kotak Securities (India). Counsel to the Goldman Sachs Group Inc. in the formation of a strategic alliance with, and the acquisition of a significant equity interest in, Kotak Securities, a brokerage firm with a membership on the Bombay Stock Exchange.

Liquidian Corporation. Counsel to Liquidian and a major insurance company in connection with the formation of a joint venture for an on-line commercial insurance exchange.

Marvell Technology Group Ltd./Galileo Technology Ltd. Counsel to the financial advisor to Marvell in the $2.7 billion acquisition of Galileo by Marvell in a stock-for-stock merger.

Rykoff-Sexton Inc./JP Foodservice, Inc. Counsel to the financial advisor to JP Foodservice in the $1.4 billion stock-for-stock merger of Rykoff-Sexton and JP Foodservice.

SC Bancorp/Western Bancorp. Counsel to Western Bancorp in the $110 million acquisition of SC Bancorp by Western Bancorp in a stock-for-stock merger.

Seagate Technology Inc. Counsel to a private equity investor in a new privately held company formed in connection with the $20 billion multi-company transaction, whereby Seagate became a privately held company, Veritas Software Corporation received cash and shares of Veritas stock and other securities then held by Seagate, and Seagate stockholders received a combination of cash and Veritas stock.

Softbank Emerging Markets Ltd. Counsel to Softbank in the formation of a joint venture in Asia.

Sun Microsystems Inc./Cobalt Networks Inc. Counsel to the financial advisor to Cobalt in the $2 billion acquisition of Cobalt by Sun in a stock-for-stock merger .

Tradepoint Financial Networks PLC. Counsel to an investor in a joint venture formed by a consortium that included several leading financial services companies to acquire a majority interest in Tradepoint, a U.K.-based electronic stock exchange.

Tradepoint Financial Networks PLC. Counsel to an investor in the sale of its indirect interests in Tradepoint in a series of transactions to a number of leading financial services companies.

Unifi Communications Inc. Counsel to the majority stockholder in the sale of its entire interest in Unifi.

Vornado Operating Company. Counsel to Vornado Realty Trust and Vornado Operating Company in the spin-off of Vornado Operating from Vornado Realty and the listing of Vornado Operating’s common stock on the American Stock Exchange.

Wireless Communications Services Company Ltd. (Thailand). Counsel to WCS in the acquisition by SK Telecom of a significant equity interest in WCS.

Wireless Communications Services Company Ltd. (Thailand). Counsel to a private equity investor in the acquisition of a significant equity interest in WCS.

Corporate Governance and Compliance

Advised a “Final Four” accounting firm on provisions of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act affecting auditors and their clients.

Publications and Speeches
"SEC Postpones Deadline for Filing Internal Control Reports for Accelerated Filers With a Public Float of Less Than $700 Million", November 2004.

"SEC Proposes Significant Securities Act Reform", October 27, 2004.

"A Director's Guide to Conducting Effective Internal Investigations," Financier Worldwide, September 2004.

"SEC Proposes to Postpone Acceleration of Filing Deadlines for Annual and Quarterly Reports," August 26, 2004.

"SEC Adopts Final Rules Accelerating Form 8-K Filing Deadline and Adding New Disclosure Requirements," March 25, 2004.

Education
J.D., summa cum laude, South Texas College of Law, 1994
B.B.A., Accounting, Stephen F. Austin State University, 1986


Bar Admissions
New York
California
Texas


Court Admissions
U.S. Supreme Court


Board Certifications
Certified Public Accountant, Texas


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 25, 2009, 04:14:15 PM
Wonder if Taco has any friends in this firm????Bracewell & Giuliani LLP


KTF - I can't even stomach the thought.  Posner to Schaefer?  Lord, no...


AZLady - that's a Great Point!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 25, 2009, 04:15:19 PM
Janet, the phrasing of Kyle's requests bothers me.  He NEEDS to know.  Why?  Is there someone inside the ALE who is still honest and can't be bought?  Is there someone who would betray them should they find Natalee's remains and destroy these remains without giving them to her family?

<snippedL



SPY ON BOARD?

When it is considered that Jossy Mansur and John Silvetti are one in the contention that there was nothing case related in the trap/cage and ... when the legal issues encompassing Jossy and his family considered ... could there have been a negotiated incentive with the Aruban “powers that be” ... a negotiated incentive which would imply a betrayal of trust in regards to Natalee Holloway and her family?  Could Jossy have negotiated an incentive  with the Aruban “powers that be” that would involve the participation of his own son, Eduardo?

What was the actual purpose of Eduardo Mansur's continuing presence on board the Persistence?  Could the “powers that be” have taken advantage of the trusted relationship that existed between Jossy Mansur and the family of Natalee Holloway?   Could the “powers that be” had assumed the motives of Eduard Mansur would not be questioned  or undermine?

One member of the crew, who held a professional position on board the Persistence, had his suspicions.
________

Kyle Kingman
We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Jossy Mansur
No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 04:20:16 PM
Wonder if Taco has any friends in this firm????Bracewell & Giuliani LLP


KTF - I can't even stomach the thought.  Posner to Schaefer?  Lord, no...


AZLady - that's a Great Point!

If only we knew how this Search in the waters truly came about!Really!Who hatched the idea?Know we've had discussions but,what was really the catalyst in the beginning before anyone was aware??Just thoughts...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 25, 2009, 04:21:41 PM
Wonder if Taco has any friends in this firm????Bracewell & Giuliani LLP


KTF - I can't even stomach the thought.  Posner to Schaefer?  Lord, no...


AZLady - that's a Great Point!

In the list of associations William S Anderson has had, there's a Blue Chip Casino, Inc.  That caught my eye, earlier. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 04:25:43 PM
Wonder if Taco has any friends in this firm????Bracewell & Giuliani LLP


KTF - I can't even stomach the thought.  Posner to Schaefer?  Lord, no...


AZLady - that's a Great Point!

In the list of associations William S Anderson has had, there's a Blue Chip Casino, Inc.  That caught my eye, earlier. 

2nj.Go to this link and look at the names of the Casino/hotels owned...

http://www.bluechipcasino.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 25, 2009, 04:27:22 PM
Good Afternoon All.

This morning ... I accessed some of my unregistered bills that were hidden in a storage bin marked "CHRISTMAS PAPER/BAGS/BOWS/RIBBONS" and ... paid hubby and my portion of a weekend in Seattle with three other couples from our church.  The Lion King production will be the highlight.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 25, 2009, 04:28:02 PM
http://www.ipsswitchgear.com/applications/003blue_chip.html

Headquartered in Las Vegas, Boyd Gaming Corporation operates casino across the country and is a significant player in the $32 billion gaming entertainment industry.

The three-story Blue Chip Casino located in Michigan City, Indiana, was Boyd Gaming’s most successful riverboat casino operation of its 17 gaming entertainment properties. Then the NYSE-traded company undertook a $170 million expansion program to “raise the bar in the northern Indiana market.”

Enter the new improved Blue Chip 2 – more than 50 percent larger than its predecessor (also pictured at left), the Blue Chip Casino Hotel is the largest casino boat hull size in the country as inspected by the U.S. Coast Guard.

The Blue Chip 2 offers 65,000 square feet of casino action on one level with 2,170 slot machines and 51 table games. The pavilion adjoins the 184-room Blue Chip Hotel and features an elegant steakhouse, action buffet, deli and coffee station, as well as a live entertainment lounge at the main entrance of the casino.

Promising patrons “Exhilarating casino action, chart-topping entertainment, award-winning restaurants, beautiful environments and plenty of shopping and recreational pursuits,” meant a tremendous amount of confidence would be placed in the reliability and seamless operation of the casino’s electrical system that keeps this successful operation running 24-hours-a-day, day in and day out.

(snipped)


(http://www.ipsswitchgear.com/applications/images/003a.jpg)

Boyd Gaming Corporation's new BLUE CHIP 2 is the largest floating casino in the United States. The new gaming vessel is shown dockside in front of its predecessor at the Michigan City, Indiana property





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 25, 2009, 04:34:50 PM
Wonder if Taco has any friends in this firm????Bracewell & Giuliani LLP


KTF - I can't even stomach the thought.  Posner to Schaefer?  Lord, no...


AZLady - that's a Great Point!

In the list of associations William S Anderson has had, there's a Blue Chip Casino, Inc.  That caught my eye, earlier. 

2nj.Go to this link and look at the names of the Casino/hotels owned...

http://www.bluechipcasino.com/

I've been there.   Thanks.  The one in Atlantic City (Borgata) is a big hit, so I hear from friends who like to gamble & the Par A Dice Casino brings me back to aruban boats.  Oh boy.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 25, 2009, 04:37:33 PM
 ::MonkeyCool::    BBL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 25, 2009, 04:37:43 PM
KTF,

Just wanted to post for Hotping and her PO Box research that I looked for a connection between Lisa A Anderson and William J Anderson (attorney for Superior Offshore mentioned in one of your posts last thread).  I came up short and had to give it up for a while.  There may be no connection, whatsoever, but the surname (which is common) stood out for me at the time. 
Thanks 2NJ.....Could anyone tell me the name of the law firm that William Anderson is associated with and where it is located...TIA...I have multiple things going on today...and I will let You all know later what I have come up with in regards to the PO Box.... ::MonkeyWink::
2NJ.... Are You sure that the name was William J Anderson or Could it have been William S Anderson see last of article below....

http://investing.businessweek.com/businessweek/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=38442772


Key developments for undefined (undefined)
Superior Offshore International, Inc. signed a definitive agreement to acquire Ocean Flow International, LLC from Karl Winter for $15.21 million.
10/18/2007
Superior Offshore International, Inc. (NasdaqNM: DEEP) signed a definitive agreement to acquire Ocean Flow International, LLC from Karl Winter for $15.21 million in stock on October 18, 2007. As per the terms of the agreement Superior Offshore will issue 0.96 million shares at the time of closing and keep 0.32 million shares shall be deposited in escrow for a period of two years following the closing which will be delivered to Karl Winter on the second anniversary of the closing. Karl Winter, Ocean Flow's founder will join Superior as Senior Vice President of Engineering and Subsea Development and continue his responsibilities as President of Ocean Flow, which will become a wholly owned subsidiary of Superior Offshore. The closing, which is subject to customary conditions including obtaining certain consents, execution of escrow agreement, execution of employment agreement and requiring that no law shall have been enacted, entered, promulgated or enforced by any governmental authority that prohibits or materially or adversely restricts the consummation of the transactions contemplated hereby or the operation of the business following closing. Superior Offshore or Karl may terminate the agreement if the closing shall not have occurred on or before November 30, 2007. Superior Offshore entered into an amendment agreement with Ocean Flow on November 29, 2007, pursuant to which date after which the parties may terminate the agreement if the closing of the merger has not occurred was extended from November 30, 2007 to December 28, 2007. William S. Anderson of Bracewell & Giuliani LLP acted as a legal advisor to Superior Offshore International, Inc.



You're right, my typo.   Was just about to post.

http://www.bracewellgiuliani.com/index.cfm/fa/home.home/home.cfm

http://www.bracewellgiuliani.com/index.cfm/fa/lawyer.profile/attorney/83d25416-4b90-4726-a9dd-788eb4a1847b/William_S_Anderson.cfm
Thanks 2NJ......Back to researching I go....BBL  ::MonkeyWink::

Here is something of a bio on him.  Maybe it will get you closer to tying him to that woman?

William S. Anderson
Download V-card Partner
Houston
T: 713.221.1122
F: 713.437.5370
E: will.anderson@bgllp.com
Assistant
Janice Ashton
713.223.2300 x2015

William S. Anderson represents issuers, selling security holders and underwriters in his capital markets, general corporate and securities law practice that, to date, has raised over $20 billion in diverse sectors of the economy. He routinely handles SEC-registered transactions and has extensive experience with equity, debt and convertible securities. Mr. Anderson participates in the development and implementation of innovative transaction structures, including tracking stock, adjustable conversion rate equity security units, contingent convertible debt instruments, Tier 1 capital securities issued by non U.S. banks, and other structures that achieve clients’ accounting and tax treatment strategies. He has worked with companies across multiple industries, such as energy, telecommunications, software, e-business, biotechnology, genomics, pharmaceuticals, media and entertainment, airlines, insurance, financial services and real estate investment trusts.


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Mr. Anderson handles high profile transactions, such as the first SEC-registered offering of asset-backed securities secured by insurance premium finance loans and the first joint venture in the history of the Goldman Sachs Group. He represents purchasers, sellers and financial advisors in complex negotiated acquisitions of publicly held companies, equity investments in privately held companies, joint ventures, and strategic alliances and spin-offs.

In addition, Mr. Anderson regularly advises issuers and their executive officers and directors on corporate governance and compliance matters and fiduciary duties of directors and officers.

Mr. Anderson began his legal career in 1994 with Sullivan & Cromwell LLP where he practiced until June 2003 when he joined Bracewell & Giulliani LLP as a partner. Prior to relocating to Houston, Mr. Anderson practiced in New York City, Hong Kong and Palo Alto, where he helped found Sullivan & Cromwell’s Silicon Valley office. Prior to attending law school, Mr. Anderson worked in the financial consulting and audit division of a major public accounting firm.

Representative Matters
Capital Markets

A.I. Credit Corp., a subsidiary of American International Group Inc. Counsel to the issuer in a $208 million SEC-registered offering of floating rate asset backed securities, the first SEC-registered offering of asset-backed securities secured by insurance premium finance loans.

Airborne Inc. Counsel to the underwriters in a $150 million Rule 144A offering of convertible senior notes.

Allied Riser Communications Corporation. Counsel to a venture capital investor in convertible preferred stock, common stock and warrants.

APT Satellite Holdings Ltd. (Hong Kong). Counsel to the principal stockholders in a $165 million SEC-registered IPO of common stock and listing on the New York Stock Exchange and the Hong Kong Stock Exchange.

Asia Satellite Telecommunications Holdings Ltd. (Hong Kong). Counsel to the issuer and selling stockholders in a $313 million SEC-registered IPO of common stock and listing on the NYSE and the Hong Kong Stock Exchange.

Blue Chip Casino Inc. Counsel to the placement agent and the purchasers in a Reg. D private placement of senior subordinated discount notes.

Capital Trust. Counsel to an investor in a $150 million Reg. D private placement of convertible trust preferred securities of a Delaware trust in a QUIPs type structure.

Catena Networks Inc. Counsel to the placement agent in a $75 million Reg. D private placement of convertible preferred stock.

Captivate Network Inc. Counsel to a venture capital investor in convertible preferred stock.

General Growth Properties Inc. Counsel to the issuer in a $330 million SEC-registered offering of common stock.

Genuity Inc. Counsel to the underwriters in a $1.9 billion SEC-registered IPO of common stock and listing on the NASDAQ national market, one of the world’s five largest IPOs in 2000 according to The Wall Street Journal.

Great Eagle Holdings Ltd. (Hong Kong). Sole international counsel in a $125 million Rule 144A and Reg. S offering of a Cayman Islands special purpose entity’s convertible bonds guaranteed by, and exchangeable for common stock of, Great Eagle Holdings Ltd.

Hutchison Whampoa Ltd (Hong Kong). Counsel to the issuer in a $2.0 billion Rule 144A and Reg. S offering of debt securities. Named best overall asian debt deal and best Asian yankee bond in 1997 (Finance Asia); Asian Borrower of the Year in 1997 (International Financing Review); and International Deal of the Year in 1997 (Institutional Investor).

Immunex Corporation. Counsel to the underwriters in a $3.2 billion SEC-registered secondary offering of common stock, the largest biotechnology common stock offering ever according to Morgan Stanley.

The Industrial Bank of Japan Ltd. (Japan). Counsel to the issuer in a ¥ 176 billion ($1.5 billion) Reg. S offering of a Cayman Islands special purpose entity’s preferred equity, which constituted Tier 1 capital of the bank.

Loews Cineplex Entertainment Corporation. Counsel to the underwriters in a $200 million Rule 144A and Reg. S offering of senior subordinated notes.

Mass Transit Railway Corporation (Hong Kong). Counsel to the issuer in a $300 million SEC-registered offering of notes.

Merrill Lynch & Co. Inc. Counsel to the underwriters in a $425 million SEC-registered offering of depositary shares, each representing a 1/400 interest in a share of Merrill Lynch’s nine percent cumulative preferred stock.

New York Times Digital, a division of The New York Times Company. Counsel to the underwriters in the proposed SEC-registered IPO of tracking stock.

Nextlink Communications Inc. Counsel to the underwriters in a $500 million Rule 144A and Reg. S offering of senior notes.

Overstock.com, Inc. Counsel to the issuer in a $100 million Rule 144A offering of convertible senior notes.

Overstock.com Inc. Counsel to the issuer in a $69 million SEC-registered offering of common stock.

Parker Drilling Company. Counsel to the issuer in a $150 million Rule 144A and Reg. S offering of senior floating rate notes due 2010.

Parker Drilling Company. Counsel to the issuer in a cash tender offer for up to $80 million outstanding principal amount of its 10 1/8 percent senior notes due 2009.

Parker Drilling Company. Counsel to the issuer in a $175 million Rule 144A and Reg. S offering of 9 5/8 percent senior notes due 2013 and a $150 million senior secured credit facility.

Parker Drilling Company. Counsel to the issuer in a cash tender offer and consent solicitation for any and all of the $214 million outstanding principal amount of its 9 3/4 percent senior notes due 2006 and a consent solicitation relating to its 10 1/8 percent senior notes due 2009.

Parker Drilling Company. Counsel to the issuer in a $175 million SEC-registered exchange offer for privately issued senior notes.

PAULA Financial. Counsel to the underwriters in a $53million SEC-registered IPO and listing on the NYSE of common stock.

Perlegen Sciences Inc. and Affymetrix Inc. Counsel to Perlegen Sciences and Affymetrix in the formation of Perlegen Sciences as a wholly owned subsidiary of Affymetrix and the preparation of various contribution, license, chip supply and services agreements.

Perlegen Sciences Inc. Counsel to the issuer in a $100 million Reg. D private placement of convertible preferred stock.

Plitt Theatres Inc. Counsel to the dealer-manager in an issuer tender offer for, and consent solicitation relating to, $200 million of senior subordinated notes.

PMC-Sierra Inc. Counsel to the underwriters in a $275 million Rule 144A offering of convertible subordinated notes.

The PMI Group Inc. Counsel to the issuer in a $360 million Rule 144A offering of senior contingent convertible debentures (contingent conversion and contingent payment of interest) and the related resale registration statement filed with the SEC.

PTT Exploration and Production Public Company Ltd (Thailand). Counsel to the underwriters in a $200 million Rule 144A, Section 4 (1 1/2) and Reg. S offering of notes, the first Yankee bond offering by a Thai corporate and Thai state enterprise.

The Sakura Bank Ltd (Japan). Counsel to the placement agent in a ¥ 25 billion ($206 million) Reg. S offering of a Cayman Islands special purpose entity’s preferred equity and a ¥ 5 billion ($41 million) Reg. S offering of a Cayman Islands special purpose entity’s notes, each of which constituted Tier 1 capital of the bank.

The Sakura Bank Ltd (Japan). Counsel to the placement agent in a ¥ 258.7 billion ($2.1 billion) Reg. S offering of a Cayman Islands special purpose entity’s preferred equity, which constituted Tier 1 capital of the bank.

Siam Commercial Bank Public Company Ltd (Thailand). Sole international counsel in a $150 million Rule 144A and Reg. S offering of the Singapore branch’s subordinated notes.

Siteline Inc. Counsel to a venture capital investor in convertible preferred stock.

SmarTone Telecommunications Holdings Ltd (Hong Kong). Counsel to the issuer in a $187 million Rule 144A and Reg. S IPO of common stock and listing on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange.

Staples.com, a division of Staples Inc. Counsel to the underwriters in the proposed SEC-registered IPO of tracking stock.

The Sumitomo Bank Ltd (Japan). Counsel to the placement agent in a ¥ 340 billion ($2.8 billion) Reg. S offering of a Cayman Islands special purpose entity’s preferred equity, which constituted Tier 1 capital of the bank.

Sweetwater Investors LLC. Counsel to the underwriters in a $168 million Rule 144A offering of senior secured notes, the proceeds of which were used to purchase a limited term, non-participating royalty interest derived from certain coal and trona leases from an indirect subsidiary of Anadarko Petroleum Corporation.

Texas Petrochemicals LP. Counsel to TPLP in connection with its bankruptcy reorganization and in a rights offering of $31 million of common stock and senior secured convertible notes to unsecured creditors under Rule 1145 of the Bankruptcy Code, a $49 million Reg. D private placement to private equity funds of common stock and senior secured convertible notes and a distribution of common stock valued at $73 million to unsecured creditors under Rule 1145 of the Bankruptcy Code.

Unifi Communications Inc. Counsel to the majority stockholder in a $175 million Rule 144A and Reg. S offering of units, consisting of debt securities and warrants to purchase common stock, and a related financial restructuring.

Vornado Realty L.P. Counsel to the issuer in numerous transactions, including five separate Reg. D private placements of preferred units totaling $440 million.

Vornado Realty Trust. Counsel to the issuer in numerous transactions, including several SEC-registered public offerings of common shares totaling $1.2 billion, several SEC-registered offerings of cumulative redeemable preferred shares, totaling $200 million and a $1 billion revolving credit agreement.

The Walking Company. Counsel to the issuer in a Reg. D private placement of convertible preferred stock.

Yangming Marine Transport Corporation (Taiwan). Counsel to the underwriters in a $116 million Rule 144A and Reg. S IPO and listing on the London Stock Exchange of common shares in the form of global depositary receipts.

Merger & Acquisitions

Airborne Inc./DHL. Counsel to the financial advisor to Airborne in the $1.05 billion acquisition of Airborne’s ground operations by DHL and the separation of Airborne’s air operations from its ground operations into an independent public company called ABX Air Inc.

AKQA New Media Ltd/Citron Haligman Bedecarré Incorporated. Counsel to AKQA in the stock-for-stock merger of AKQA New Media and Citron Haligman Bedecarré.

Arbor Property Trust/Vornado Realty Trust. Counsel to Vornado in its $225 million acquisition of Arbor Property Trust in a stock-for-stock merger.

Archipelago Holdings LLC. Counsel to the Goldman Sachs Group Inc. in the investment by Goldman Sachs and E*Trade Group Inc. in Archipelago, the United States’ first totally open, all electronic stock exchange.

Archipelago Holdings L.L.C. Counsel to Archipelago in the sale of minority interests to American Century Companies Inc, BNP Cooper Neff , CNBC, Instinet Corporation, J.P. Morgan and Merrill Lynch & Co. in a series of separate transactions over several years.

Archipelago Holdings LLC. Counsel to Archipelago in the development of an innovative equity entitlement program designed to provide participants with the opportunity to acquire equity in Archipelago based upon qualifying order flow.

Cadence Design Systems Inc./Simplex Solutions Inc. Counsel to the financial advisor to Cadence in the $300 million acquisition of Simplex by Cadence in a stock-for-stock merger.

Callida Genomics Inc. and N-Mer Inc. Counsel to Affymetrix Inc. in the formation and initial funding of two collaborative biotechnology joint ventures (including cross-licensing, chip supply and product solicitation arrangements) in connection with the comprehensive settlement of all existing patent infringement litigation between Affymetrix and Hyseq Inc.

Compañía Panameña de Aviación S.A. Counsel to COPA and its principal shareholder in the sale of a significant equity interest in COPA, the primary air carrier in the Republic of Panamá, to Continental Airlines Inc. and a broad-based alliance with Continental, which included marketing, code sharing, frequent flyer programs and the provision of various services.

eBay Inc./PayPal Inc. Counsel to eBay in its $1.5 billion acquisition of PayPal in a stock-for-stock merger, named one of “The 2002 Deals of the Year” by Institutional Investor.

E*Trade Group Inc. Counsel to Softbank Corp. in connection with its sale of common stock of E*Trade Group in a block trade under Rule 144.

Expo Comm. Counsel to Ziff-Davis Inc. in the sale of Ziff-Davis’ interest in Expo Comm.

Fairbanks Capital Holding Corp. Counsel to The PMI Group Inc. in connection with its acquisition of a majority interest in Fairbanks.

The International Engineering Public Company Ltd. (Thailand). Counsel to a private equity investor in the acquisition of a significant equity interest in the International Engineering Public Company Limited, a Thai public company with its shares listed on the Stock Exchange of Thailand.

Klemp China (Shanghai) Corporation Ltd. (China). Counsel to Chatwins Group Inc. in the formation of a joint venture in Shanghai, China.

Kotak Mahindra Capital Company (India). Counsel to the Goldman Sachs Group Inc. in the formation of a strategic alliance with, and the acquisition of a significant equity interest in, Kotak Mahindra Capital Company, an Indian investment banking firm and a subsidiary of Kotak Mahindra Finance Ltd, one of India’s leading financial services firms, the first joint venture in the history of Goldman Sachs.

Kotak Securities (India). Counsel to the Goldman Sachs Group Inc. in the formation of a strategic alliance with, and the acquisition of a significant equity interest in, Kotak Securities, a brokerage firm with a membership on the Bombay Stock Exchange.

Liquidian Corporation. Counsel to Liquidian and a major insurance company in connection with the formation of a joint venture for an on-line commercial insurance exchange.

Marvell Technology Group Ltd./Galileo Technology Ltd. Counsel to the financial advisor to Marvell in the $2.7 billion acquisition of Galileo by Marvell in a stock-for-stock merger.

Rykoff-Sexton Inc./JP Foodservice, Inc. Counsel to the financial advisor to JP Foodservice in the $1.4 billion stock-for-stock merger of Rykoff-Sexton and JP Foodservice.

SC Bancorp/Western Bancorp. Counsel to Western Bancorp in the $110 million acquisition of SC Bancorp by Western Bancorp in a stock-for-stock merger.

Seagate Technology Inc. Counsel to a private equity investor in a new privately held company formed in connection with the $20 billion multi-company transaction, whereby Seagate became a privately held company, Veritas Software Corporation received cash and shares of Veritas stock and other securities then held by Seagate, and Seagate stockholders received a combination of cash and Veritas stock.

Softbank Emerging Markets Ltd. Counsel to Softbank in the formation of a joint venture in Asia.

Sun Microsystems Inc./Cobalt Networks Inc. Counsel to the financial advisor to Cobalt in the $2 billion acquisition of Cobalt by Sun in a stock-for-stock merger .

Tradepoint Financial Networks PLC. Counsel to an investor in a joint venture formed by a consortium that included several leading financial services companies to acquire a majority interest in Tradepoint, a U.K.-based electronic stock exchange.

Tradepoint Financial Networks PLC. Counsel to an investor in the sale of its indirect interests in Tradepoint in a series of transactions to a number of leading financial services companies.

Unifi Communications Inc. Counsel to the majority stockholder in the sale of its entire interest in Unifi.

Vornado Operating Company. Counsel to Vornado Realty Trust and Vornado Operating Company in the spin-off of Vornado Operating from Vornado Realty and the listing of Vornado Operating’s common stock on the American Stock Exchange.

Wireless Communications Services Company Ltd. (Thailand). Counsel to WCS in the acquisition by SK Telecom of a significant equity interest in WCS.

Wireless Communications Services Company Ltd. (Thailand). Counsel to a private equity investor in the acquisition of a significant equity interest in WCS.

Corporate Governance and Compliance

Advised a “Final Four” accounting firm on provisions of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act affecting auditors and their clients.

Publications and Speeches
"SEC Postpones Deadline for Filing Internal Control Reports for Accelerated Filers With a Public Float of Less Than $700 Million", November 2004.

"SEC Proposes Significant Securities Act Reform", October 27, 2004.

"A Director's Guide to Conducting Effective Internal Investigations," Financier Worldwide, September 2004.

"SEC Proposes to Postpone Acceleration of Filing Deadlines for Annual and Quarterly Reports," August 26, 2004.

"SEC Adopts Final Rules Accelerating Form 8-K Filing Deadline and Adding New Disclosure Requirements," March 25, 2004.

Education
J.D., summa cum laude, South Texas College of Law, 1994
B.B.A., Accounting, Stephen F. Austin State University, 1986


Bar Admissions
New York
California
Texas


Court Admissions
U.S. Supreme Court


Board Certifications
Certified Public Accountant, Texas
Thanks Jen......I'm researching one of the names on My list from last night and I have one that is very interesting.....Just trying to make a connection...BBL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 04:38:45 PM
Wonder if Taco has any friends in this firm????Bracewell & Giuliani LLP


KTF - I can't even stomach the thought.  Posner to Schaefer?  Lord, no...


AZLady - that's a Great Point!

In the list of associations William S Anderson has had, there's a Blue Chip Casino, Inc.  That caught my eye, earlier. 

2nj.Go to this link and look at the names of the Casino/hotels owned...

http://www.bluechipcasino.com/

I've been there.   Thanks.  The one in Atlantic City (Borgata) is a big hit, so I hear from friends who like to gamble & the Par A Dice Casino brings me back to aruban boats.  Oh boy.

Means nothing i'm sure,but is interesting how these things pop up.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 25, 2009, 04:55:27 PM
Kermit will be pleased.  The pond is no longer frozen over and the pathway leading to it is no longer covered with snow.  I will get Veggie to check the small bulbs in the Japanese laterns that outline that small body of water.  In a couple of months Kermit can swim with some large Goldfish that will take up residence.
/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4574.700

(http://i1.iofferphoto.com/img/item/552/826/06/cf91_1.JPG)
fond memories of Ms. Janet and Veggies pond



Thanks for the trip down memory lane Kermit.

After the skating session ... remember how you, Miss Piggy, Veggie and I drank hot chocolate while warming ourselves in front of the livingroom fireplace.   The four of us talked and taked and taked.  The four of us laughed and laughed and laughed.

I am wishing for yesterday again.  I must be getting old.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

Ah yes, the days in Fraser Valley, some of my fondest.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 25, 2009, 05:05:30 PM
Superior Offshore International
]The company employs 665 at offshore locations in North America, Africa and the Middle East. It completed an initial public offering of common stock in April.

09/2007
Superior Offshore South Africa is appointed as a major subcontractor to the Dredging International/Group 5 Consortium which has been awarded the DHEW (Durban Harbor Entrance

http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Schaefer_Louis_1062321252.aspx

The CREDITORS for the ASSET PURCHASE AGREEMENT ARE:
The Commerical Bank of Qatar
Western Surety Company
Hornbeck Offshore Services, LLC
Sandard Bank of South Africa
JPMoragan Chase Bank, NA



WEST AFRICAN PIPELINE[- follow STANDARD BANK OF SOUTH AFRICA/b]

2007  Standard Bank of South Africa Ltd. South Africa  Oil and Gas    Mozambique 9.70    A

2004  Standard Bank of South Africa Ltd. South Africa Oil and Gas    Mozambique 13.45 A
http://www.miga.org/projects/index_sv.cfm?srch=s&stid=1517&hctry=154c&dispset=10&srow=1&erow=10
http://www.miga.org/projects/index_sv.cfm?srch=s&stid=1517&sector=8&dispset=10&srow=1&erow=10


CMB to buy Wing Lung for $4.7b
Banking & Finance
2 June 2008


China Merchants Bank (CMB) has agreed to buy Hong Kong-based Wing Lung Bank for US$4.7 billion, the Wall Street Journal reported. The purchase would be the second-largest ever by a Chinese bank after Industrial and Commerical Bank of China (ICBC) bought a stake in South Africa's Standard Bank last year. CMB, China's sixth-largest bank by assets, is not expected to issue new shares to fund the acquisition, but will instead use a combination of cash, debt and earnings. CMB's bid beat out attempts by ICBC and Australia & New Zealand Banking Group, and will help the mainland lender expand rapidly in Hong Kong. Last week, China's government imposed caps on mainland lenders' bids for Wing Lung bank, asking them not to pay more than 2.85 times book value for the 53% stake. However, the US$4.7 billion offer is equivalent to 2.9 times Wing Lung's audited book value at the end of 2007.
http://www.chinaeconomicreview.com/dailybriefing/2008_06_02/CMB_to_buy_Wing_Lung_for__47b.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 05:12:51 PM
Pandora's Box..... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 25, 2009, 05:13:12 PM
Tamikosmom was not the only one suspicious that all was not right in the land of OZ ... on board the Persistence ... prior to Kyle Kingman's own words making their way to the SM Forum.

Janet
______

PRIVATE EYE

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #655 on: March 01, 2008, 06:07:48 PM »


Either something grand has happened or something mighty dirty just happened. You don't spend that much money to identify targets that you are not going to search. Why get Beth and Dave's hopes up, find probable targets allegedly, and then go, with very little warning, oops, we cannot afford to search afterall? Why does Chaney fly in at midnight the day before the Persistence pulls out? Coincidental? Silveti and Chaney are both active in the Houston area. Bush and Silveti the same plus the same business interests. Why Ocean EX would interject himself in the cage as he did last night? Why is Joran suddenly in a mental hospital?

And now that they have identified the locations of the targets, with the Aruban police force on board, they are retiring from the search, with guess who now in the know. And what is funny, is it was Oceans Ex fear that we might give some secrets away. Hell, the coverup people already have the secrets, first hand from the horse themselves.

Something grand had to have happened. If not, then this was the cruelest hoax of yet. And I just don't believe these people are anything but nice, so something grand had to have happened.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358544#msg358544


private eye
 Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »

... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that  regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM
»

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 25, 2009, 05:30:42 PM
I do not doubt for one minute that Kyle is very qualified in his profession ... I do not doubt for one minute that Kyle motives in locating the remains of Natalee Hollway were very sincere even if he was aware that the Persistence endeavor was deceptively two fold.

However ... somewhere along the way Kyle was influenced to believe that those within the Aruban investigation were the "good guys" and ... the media was the "bad guy".

The following post spoke volumes to me in regards to Kyle naïveté in regards to the dynamics encompassing the "powers that be" in the Aruban investigation who have been behind the coverup which has been denying Natalee Holloway justice.

I cannot comprehend that Kyle would have posted the following words if he had done his homework.  If only he had read Dave Holloway's ... Corruption in Paradise or ... Beth Holloway's ... Loving Natalee.

Janet

++++++++

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 -
« Reply #103 on: January 26, 2008, 12:38:25 PM »


Thought you all may find this interesting if you're willing to accept it-

To date, the Aruban police and dive team has been a tremendous help.  They've honestly done a great job. Over the last month we've established a very good working relationship based on openness and trust.  Most of the relationship success was due to getting the media out of the way and working together shoulder to shoulder over time.  We've helped each other however and whenever we can.  They've treated us with decency and respect and we have treated them as friends and allies, which they are. Most of the police and divers are new since this case started and both eager and careful to do things right.  I wish we had a month ahead of the project just to establish the relationships and trust. I know many of you would likely doubt this view, but it's based on the experiences in the field of the entire search team. I too was extremely worried, paranoid, and suspecting in the beginning.  Now, it's clear we're all working towards a common goal.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 05:36:21 PM
Company Addresses:
SUPERIOR OFFSHORE NORTH AMERICA
Corporate Headquarters
Superior Offshore International Inc.,
717 Texas Avenue, Suite 3150
Houston, Texas, 77002
United State of America
Office: +1 713 910 1875
Fax: +1 713 910 1881
Email: info@superioroffshore.com
Website: www.superioroffshore.com
SUPERIOR OFFSHORE AFRICA
Superior Offshore South Africa (Pty) LTD.
10 Rotterdam Road
Bayhead, Durban
South Africa
Office: +27 31 206 2073
Fax: +27 31 205 7772
Email: info@superioroffshore.com
Website: www.superioroffshore.com
SUPERIOR OFFSHORE MIDDLE EAST
Superior Offshore Contractors
Choice Centre 3rd Floor, No. 310,
38 Al Saad, 893 Al Difaaf Street,
Doha, Qatar P.O. Box 11575
Office: +974 442 8230
Fax: +974 442 8236
Mobile: +974 584 8240
Email: info@superioroffshore.com
Website: www.superioroffshore.com
SUPERIOR OFFSHORE PERSONNEL SERVICES
Dubai Branch
Block E-1, Office 314, Dubai Airport Free Zone,
Dubai, United Arab Emirates
Office: +971-4-2997838
Fax: +971-4-2990667
Mobile: +971-50-5055065
Email: info@superioroffshore.com
Website: www.superioroffshore.com

http://www.oilandgasdirectory.com/ogd2008/pages/corporate_profile/27.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 05:41:48 PM
Source: Superior Offshore International, Inc. 
Superior Offshore International Appoints Fontanille as Senior Vice President - Middle and Far East/Africa
HOUSTON, Dec. 7, 2007 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Superior Offshore International, Inc. (Nasdaq:DEEP) today announced the appointment of Jean-Pierre Fontanille to the Company's global management team.

Fontanille was named Senior Vice President - Middle and Far East/Africa. He is based in Superior's recently opened office in Dubai, U.A.E., and is responsible primarily for operations but will also be involved in marketing for the region.

"Jean-Pierre will play an important role at Superior Offshore as we continue to re-focus the Company toward international and deepwater opportunities," said Jim Mermis, President and Chief Executive Officer. "We see a lot of opportunities in the Middle East, Far East and Africa, and Jean-Pierre's many years of experience in these markets will be a tremendous asset as we move forward in our strategic repositioning of the Company."

Fontanille has more than 30 years' experience in the global subsea market in the Middle East, West Africa and Southeast Asia. He previously worked in general management and business development with Stolt Comex Seaway and Gulmar Offshore Middle East. He reports to Mermis.
 
http://www.globenewswire.com/newsroom/news.html?d=132719


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 05:54:25 PM
Superior Offshore International Inc. Announces Management Team Additions to Lead Global Subsea Operations
GlobeNewswire
Posted: 2007-11-14 18:54:59





HOUSTON, Nov. 14, 2007 (

PrimeNewswire

delivered by Newstex) -- Superior Offshore International, Inc. (Nasdaq:DEEP) today announced four new appointments to its global management team as well a senior management promotion.

"The appointment of this new management team is an important step in our strategic transition from a shallow water diving company to a leading provider of subsea construction and commercial diving services to the global offshore oil and gas industry," said

Jim Mermis,  

Superior Offshore president and chief executive officer. "We are now poised to go forward with providing expanded expertise and resources to the global subsea market in the Middle East, West Africa, Southeast Asia and Mexico."

Steve Singer, Vice President -- Corporate Development and Tax, was promoted to Senior Vice President, General Counsel and Secretary. Singer joined the Company in July 2007 and reports to

Roger Burks,  

Superior's Executive Vice President and Chief Financial and Administrative Officer.

Tom Armstrong  joined Superior as Vice President -- Special Projects. Based in Houston, he will be responsible for managing the integration of the Superior Achiever DP-III vessel, which is scheduled for delivery in the second half of 2008. Armstrong has 19 years' experience as a diver and operations manager with several companies, including CalDive International, Torch Offshore, Stolt Offshore and American Oilfield Divers. He reports to

David Weinhoffer,  

Executive Vice President -- Commercial Operations.

Phil Doyle joined the Company as Vice President  -- Americas, responsible for diving operations in North and South America. Doyle has more than 16 years of diving and diving operations management experience and formerly served as Global Divers & Marine Contractors' manager in charge of West Africa and Mexico. He is based in Houston and reports to Weinhoffer.

Richard Deitl Jr. has joined the company as Vice President of Superior's Middle East/Africa diving services, reporting to Weinhoffer. He is based in Houston and will be responsible for business development in those international markets. Deitl formerly served as Global Industries' regional manager in charge of West Africa diving operations and has more than 17 years of diving management experience in Africa.

John Whites III joined Superior as Vice President -- Business Development, based in Houston. Whites started his career in the petrochemical industry as a design engineer and project manager, then moved into the offshore pipeline industry. He has worked in the offshore industry in both the domestic and international markets for such companies as Cameron, Gripper/Hydrotech, Big Inch Marine Systems/American Oilfield Divers and most recently, Submar, Inc. Whites reports to Weinhoffer.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 05:58:43 PM
Link for above article...

http://money.aol.com/news/articles/qp/pr/_a/superior-offshore-international-inc/rfid39707097


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 25, 2009, 06:03:32 PM
Link for above article...

http://money.aol.com/news/articles/qp/pr/_a/superior-offshore-international-inc/rfid39707097
I'm probably confused here -- it seemed like the name Mermis above was one of the possible "Kemah,TX" PO Box holders. (I'm pretty sure I'm wrong though)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on February 25, 2009, 06:06:07 PM
I'm still working, big workday for final deliverables but have been keeping up and reading along with you.

All I can say at this point is what a very large onion you are slowly peeling.......alarming at some levels. You do great research !



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 25, 2009, 06:10:16 PM
Link for above article...

http://money.aol.com/news/articles/qp/pr/_a/superior-offshore-international-inc/rfid39707097
I'm probably confused here -- it seemed like the name Mermis above was one of the possible "Kemah,TX" PO Box holders. (I'm pretty sure I'm wrong though)
I WAS wrong!!

here is the list again for reference:

Brian David Collier
Stephanie Collier
Rebecca Collier
Katherine Friston Collier
Ted M Collier
Kristi Machelle Collier
Judy F Collier
Mark J Collier
Brenda Francis Royall
Jerry Andrew Royall
Misty Dawn Bright Kautzmann
Keith Nicholas Kautzmann
Holly J Cooper
Connie J Lehotsky Jones...Eliminated
Michael John Jones....Eliminated
Brooke Bradley Perkins
Debra B Bright Antley...Eliminated
Debra B Coward
Ellis Carl Antley....Eliminated
Anita Antley...Elimianted
Holly J Cooper
Sally A Felger
Lisa A Anderson


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 06:11:50 PM
SUPERIOR ACHIEVER launched at IHC Krimpen Shipyard
21 January 2008
General

http://www.ihcmerwede.com/about-ihc-merwede/news/newsmessage/article/superior-achiever-launched-at-ihc-krimpen-shipyard/

WHICH IS OUT OF THE NETHERLANDS!

Links


Our clients within the offshore market


Subsea 7
Hornbeck Offshore Services  
Seaway Heavy Lifting
Helix Energy Solutions  
Sealion Shipping Limited
Solstad AS
Global Marine Systems
Smit

http://www.merwede.com/index.php?id=2547


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 25, 2009, 06:11:55 PM
It appears that the Dateline Special that implied that the contents of the cage were not case related stood in the way of any attempted deal with ABC.

However ... the fact that Kyle Kingman was attempting to interest ABC with the ROV images speaks volumes.  Obvious ... this ROV analyst believed that something case related was revealed in those images.

Janet

++++++++


coolhand
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #736 2/27 -
« Reply #526 on: February 29, 2008, 03:00:09 AM »


Maybe Mr Schafer can sell the television rights to the remainder of the search to one of the networks so they can raise enough money to finish the search,  and possibly recoup his own money.  Any thoughts?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.msg357201#msg357201


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #736 2/27 -
« Reply #544 on: February 29, 2008, 03:28:32 AM »


This is a very good idea.  We've been working on that for a couple weeks.  I've personally been handling the matter while I was on the east coast last week.   Unfortunately, the Dateline story aired along with Greta and scooped up the remainder of what the press felt was immediately worth reporting on.  I can't blame them.  It's business.  Definitely shot that down though.  Move on.  Deal with it. Stay the course.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.540


________


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
Right before the Dateline special aired Tim and Louis asked if I could go to ABC to try to sell the footage in an attempt to recoup some of the money invested in the search efforts. ABC was very interested, but decided to wait until the Dateline special aired. After the show they came back to me and declined to purchase it because they felt too much of the story was already told by Dateline. That ended any communication with ABC. About 6 executive producers saw the footage, but none were allowed copies or any pictures. Everything remained in my possesion.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 25, 2009, 07:21:51 PM
Kyle Kingman's own words state that there was more than a piece of fabric retrieved from the cage/trap.  In actuality ... Kyle Kingman's own words state that he believes the fabric was denim from Natalee's skirt ... not blouse fabric.

Janet

+++++++

Postbus 1163, Oranjestad, Aruba
Havenstraat 2
Oranjestad
Aruba

To All media

From The Public Prosecutor’s Office

Date February 26, 2007

Pages 1


The Prosecutors’ Office of Aruba has received the results of the comparison tests done by the FBI Laboratory in the United States of America on clothing, cloth or a textile of some type recovered in January 2008 by an Aruban dive team inside a crab trap in about 90 feet of water, off the coast of Aruba. The Aruban dive team was directed to the crab trap by the crew of the vessel “Persistence” that is conducting a sea search looking for the body of Natalee Holloway. The Persistence is searching for a crab trap based on the story that the body of Natalee Holloway was disposed of and placed in a similar device.

The Aruban Police requested the FBI Laboratory to process the cloth, because the Laboratory already had a sample of the exact match of the type of material of Natalee Holloway’s blouse. The FBI Laboratory received that material on the 22nd of January 2008.

On the 25th of February 2008, the Prosecutors’ Office received the official report from the FBI Laboratory that showed that the two materials were not a match.


+++++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Fabric - Tarp - Vertibre - Skull

Kyle:
  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle: We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.

Kyle: The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

Kyle: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim.

Kyle: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle: In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew. In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric.

Kyle: Notice the blue fabric swayed in the current.

Kyle: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening.

Kyle:  The blue tarp and blue fabric was confirmed by Richardson and Mos. Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both.

Kyle: The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull.

Kyle:   … John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand

Kyle:  I'm sorry if this is disturbing. I took the picture of Natalee standing on the beach and cropped, rotated, and scaled the image to correlate with the trap body form.  Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand.

Kyle: The bag that is above the denim bag looks to me as though it contains pieces of  vertebrae.

Kyle: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing. I don't know what was sampled far inside the trap if anything.

Kyle:  The contents of the trap were being actively investigated. The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample. Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

Kyle:  In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand.  Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.

Kyle: I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but the ocean) contains Natalee's remains.

Kyle:  … Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

Kyle: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.
 
Kyle: The blue tarp and blue fabric was confirmed by Richardson and Mos. Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both.

Kyle: In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew.  In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric.
 
 
Kyle Kingman’s Summary

Kyle Kingman’s Specialties:
 
Project Management, Sonar Acquisition, hydrographic survey, data processing, remote sensing data analysis.


http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 25, 2009, 07:24:20 PM
Bijleveld wants have talks with Oduber about the judiciary on Aruba.

She is increasingly worried about the situation on Aruba.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53178.php

AIVD to stay on Aruba

Bijleveld criticizes Rudy Croes about making the leaked VNO-report public.

Bijleveld is positive about PG Pietersz

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53179.php

(tomorrow in English at http://www.amigoe.com/english/ )

no response yet from Rudy Croes. but that won't take long i guess.

Bijleveld is positive about PG Pietersz

What does this mean?  Thought they labeled him "oily"...as in slick??  not sure??  looks good but really taking directions from Croes??   :smt102


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 25, 2009, 07:29:21 PM
It appears that the Dateline Special that implied that the contents of the cage were not case related stood in the way of any attempted deal with ABC.

However ... the fact that Kyle Kingman was attempting to interest ABC with the ROV images speaks volumes.  Obvious ... this ROV analyst believed that something case related was revealed in those images.

Janet

++++++++


coolhand
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #736 2/27 -
« Reply #526 on: February 29, 2008, 03:00:09 AM »


Maybe Mr Schafer can sell the television rights to the remainder of the search to one of the networks so they can raise enough money to finish the search,  and possibly recoup his own money.  Any thoughts?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.msg357201#msg357201


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #736 2/27 -
« Reply #544 on: February 29, 2008, 03:28:32 AM »


This is a very good idea.  We've been working on that for a couple weeks.  I've personally been handling the matter while I was on the east coast last week.   Unfortunately, the Dateline story aired along with Greta and scooped up the remainder of what the press felt was immediately worth reporting on.  I can't blame them.  It's business.  Definitely shot that down though.  Move on.  Deal with it. Stay the course.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.540


________


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
Right before the Dateline special aired Tim and Louis asked if I could go to ABC to try to sell the footage in an attempt to recoup some of the money invested in the search efforts. ABC was very interested, but decided to wait until the Dateline special aired. After the show they came back to me and declined to purchase it because they felt too much of the story was already told by Dateline. That ended any communication with ABC. About 6 executive producers saw the footage, but none were allowed copies or any pictures. Everything remained in my possesion.



I can only imagine that following Tim Trahan's thumbs down on the Dateline Special that aired on February 22, 2008 ... Peter Devries was no longer interested and ... neither were the major networks.

Janet

++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 07:29:54 PM
More About David Weinhoffer
David Weinhoffer, formerly CEO and President of Maritime Capital Solutions, an international ship brokerage and financial
advisory firm has 25 years of experience in the maritime and offshore energy industries. From 2001 to 2005, David was the
Managing Partner of Barry Rogliano Salles USA LLC, a subsidiary of the 150-year old Paris based international ship brokerage
firm. From 1994 to 2001, David served in a number of capacities including Executive Vice President of Sales & Marketing for
Nautronix, Inc., a manufacturer of marine and industrial integrated automation, dynamic positioning and subsea acoustic
systems for both commercial and governmental entities. From 1991 to 1994, David was the Principal of Xebec International Inc.,
serving as a consultant to various U.S. Defense Contractors in commercializing high technologies including autonomous
underwater vehicles and laser imaging systems. From 1982 to 1991, David served in a variety of capacities at Oceaneering
International with his last position as AWS Operations Manager.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 25, 2009, 07:38:24 PM
Well ... it has been a quiet day on the forum but ... it appears that it has been a productive.

The great research encompassing the Silvetti and Schaefer is still very confusing to me but ... a picture is beginning to emerge when I read Lifesong's timeline.

I will crawl out from my own little hidey hole and ... dinner will be where it is at.  What to cook?  What to cook?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet
4:40 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 25, 2009, 08:44:46 PM


Parts 2 & 3 of the revised timeline are now up, starting Here. (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg691340#msg691340)

(It's taken me an embarrassingly long amount of time to understand that the reason I couldn't preview Part 2 was because it was too long...I just kept hitting Preview thinking the server must be busy...)   ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I have a lot of new items to add from the last few days, so it'll update again relatively soon.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 25, 2009, 08:50:12 PM
I need to know if any of You Smart Monkeys know Tim Trahan's full name....Does He live in Texas or Louisiana? I think that I might have found what I have been looking for.....keep praying Monkeys.....  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 08:53:11 PM
I need to know if any of You Smart Monkeys know Tim Trahan's full name....Does He live in Texas or Louisiana? I think that I might have found what I have been looking for.....keep praying Monkeys.....  ::MonkeyDance::

Prayers HotPing!Good Job.Let's find out his name,where he's born.Gotta have a birth certificate.How old is he?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 25, 2009, 08:58:15 PM
I need to know if any of You Smart Monkeys know Tim Trahan's full name....Does He live in Texas or Louisiana? I think that I might have found what I have been looking for.....keep praying Monkeys.....  ::MonkeyDance::

Prayers HotPing!Good Job.Let's find out his name,where he's born.Gotta have a birth certificate.How old is he?
I think that this is Him but I'm not for sure....Do We know if He is from Texas or Louisiana..... ::MonkeyEek::

43.  TRAHAN, TIMOTHY MATTHEW (Age 51)

Associated names:

 TRAHAN, TIM 
 TRAHAN, TIMOTHY DALE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 25, 2009, 08:58:23 PM
I need to know if any of You Smart Monkeys know Tim Trahan's full name....Does He live in Texas or Louisiana? I think that I might have found what I have been looking for.....keep praying Monkeys.....  ::MonkeyDance::


He lives in Texas, Freeport, I think...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 25, 2009, 09:00:56 PM
I need to know if any of You Smart Monkeys know Tim Trahan's full name....Does He live in Texas or Louisiana? I think that I might have found what I have been looking for.....keep praying Monkeys.....  ::MonkeyDance::


He lives in Texas, Freeport, I think...
Yipeee  ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 09:08:11 PM
I need to know if any of You Smart Monkeys know Tim Trahan's full name....Does He live in Texas or Louisiana? I think that I might have found what I have been looking for.....keep praying Monkeys.....  ::MonkeyDance::

Prayers HotPing!Good Job.Let's find out his name,where he's born.Gotta have a birth certificate.How old is he?
I think that this is Him but I'm not for sure....Do We know if He is from Texas or Louisiana..... ::MonkeyEek::

43.  TRAHAN, TIMOTHY MATTHEW (Age 51)

Associated names:

 TRAHAN, TIM 
 TRAHAN, TIMOTHY DALE

O'Lord.What do we potentially have HotPing?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 25, 2009, 09:08:59 PM
I need to know if any of You Smart Monkeys know Tim Trahan's full name....Does He live in Texas or Louisiana? I think that I might have found what I have been looking for.....keep praying Monkeys.....  ::MonkeyDance::


He lives in Texas, Freeport, I think...
Yipeee  ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

I'm glad you two are so good at researching.  It's been a good read, for sure.  Thank you, both. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 09:09:25 PM
Have to go to a basketball party for the daughter.BBL!Go HotPing...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 25, 2009, 09:19:28 PM
This is Louis Schaefer's Son

2.  SCHAEFER, JAMES SCOTT (Age 40)

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 BLUEBONNET PET CREMATORY, INC
 THE LOUIS E SCHAEFER, JR FOUNDATION 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 25, 2009, 09:49:36 PM
This is Louis Schaefer's Son

2.  SCHAEFER, JAMES SCOTT (Age 40)

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 BLUEBONNET PET CREMATORY, INC
 THE LOUIS E SCHAEFER, JR FOUNDATION 


I wonder what the purpose of this Foundation is.

I know, I know. . . .Google is my friend.  Just thought someone might know from memory.

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 25, 2009, 10:05:10 PM
OK...Here's what I'm up to...I'm taking the physical addresses that are listed along with the PO Box 948 holders and comparing them to see if any match.... this is a timely process.....I will let You know when I come up with a positive match the reason that I got so excited about Tim Trahan is because in My comparison of one address a Tim Trahan showed up I have no way to be positive that it is the same Tim Trahan that We all know ... so if anyone has any information on the Tim Trahan please post it....  like I said it takes time to do these comparisons....I just wanted to let everyone know what's up...... ::MonkeyWink::   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 25, 2009, 10:10:57 PM
Thanks, Hotping.   Tim Trahan was difficult to trace, as noted earlier.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 25, 2009, 10:12:57 PM
This is Louis Schaefer's Son

2.  SCHAEFER, JAMES SCOTT (Age 40)

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 BLUEBONNET PET CREMATORY, INC
 THE LOUIS E SCHAEFER, JR FOUNDATION 


I wonder what the purpose of this Foundation is.

I know, I know. . . .Google is my friend.  Just thought someone might know from memory.


Hi Anna,

I don't have anything on the foundation, sorry. You've been cracking me up though!  I especially liked it when you answered yourself earlier.   ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 25, 2009, 10:13:08 PM
Thanks, Hotping.   Tim Trahan was difficult to trace, as noted earlier.   

Trehan is a fairly common name, too, at least I think it is because a family with that name used to live in our neighborhood. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 25, 2009, 10:17:00 PM
Thanks, Hotping.   Tim Trahan was difficult to trace, as noted earlier.   

Trehan is a fairly common name, too, at least I think it is because a family with that name used to live in our neighborhood. 


My understanding is that if you need a diver that can stay at 90 feet for more than one minute you should call somebody else.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 25, 2009, 10:17:56 PM
This is Louis Schaefer's Son

2.  SCHAEFER, JAMES SCOTT (Age 40)

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 BLUEBONNET PET CREMATORY, INC
 THE LOUIS E SCHAEFER, JR FOUNDATION 


I wonder what the purpose of this Foundation is.

I know, I know. . . .Google is my friend.  Just thought someone might know from memory.


Hi Anna,

I don't have anything on the foundation, sorry. You've been cracking me up though!  I especially liked it when you answered yourself earlier.   ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyHaHa::




Lifesong, I appreciate all the work you have put in to your Timeline and it is very helpful.

Yes, I answer myself when no one else does.  We have to learn to meet our own needs, right?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am pondering the fact that PI and I would assume Beth knew about this giving the contents of the trap to ALE exclusively as early as April, 2008.  That had to be crushing for them.

And yet another such search is planned?  I don't quite understand that.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

But I am lost in all the conglomerates and must leave that to others who understand them better than I do.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 25, 2009, 10:21:25 PM
Thanks, Hotping.   Tim Trahan was difficult to trace, as noted earlier.   

Trehan is a fairly common name, too, at least I think it is because a family with that name used to live in our neighborhood. 


My understanding is that if you need a diver that can stay at 90 feet for more than one minute you should call somebody else.


::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 25, 2009, 10:23:43 PM
Thanks, Hotping.   Tim Trahan was difficult to trace, as noted earlier.   

Trehan is a fairly common name, too, at least I think it is because a family with that name used to live in our neighborhood. 


My understanding is that if you need a diver that can stay at 90 feet for more than one minute you should call somebody else.


::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyShocked::

Yep, that one seems to go down with empty tanks.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 25, 2009, 11:26:23 PM
Has anyone ever heard of Tim Trahan being involved with either of these two Businesses...TIA

H2O TOURS, INC
 TRA-BAR INVESTMENTS, INC


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 11:33:07 PM
Has anyone ever heard of Tim Trahan being involved with either of these two Businesses...TIA

H2O TOURS, INC
 TRA-BAR INVESTMENTS, INC

Most definitely.Will have to find the link! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 11:36:49 PM
Has anyone ever heard of Tim Trahan being involved with either of these two Businesses...TIA

H2O TOURS, INC
 TRA-BAR INVESTMENTS, INC

Most definitely.Will have to find the link! ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/a71/5ab
Located in Freeport, TX

This is his link Hotping.Then click on websites.The one to underwaterexpeditions doesn't work.That would be the business with Schaefer!Must be bankrupt??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 11:41:21 PM
Has anyone ever heard of Tim Trahan being involved with either of these two Businesses...TIA

H2O TOURS, INC
 TRA-BAR INVESTMENTS, INC

Most definitely.Will have to find the link! ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/a71/5ab
Located in Freeport, TX

This is his link Hotping.Then click on websites.The one to underwaterexpeditions doesn't work.That would be the business with Schaefer!Must be bankrupt??


Tra Bar Investments Inc  
8300 El Mundo St APT 404 
Houston TX 77054-4638
United States

http://paper-and-cardboard.masterseek.com/id/6507928/Tra-Bar-Investments-Inc.htm

Has a link to the minnesota teachers retirement??Don't know if it's normal for a company to use an APT # for business?Will keep looking!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 11:50:14 PM
 

U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C.
Litigation Release No. 17213 / October 31, 2001
Securities and Exchange Commission v. William A. Rothrock, IV et al., Civil Action No. H013732 (MH) (S.D. Tex.)

FORMER SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AT USA WASTE SERVICES, INC. AND NINE OTHERS SETTLE INSIDER TRADING CHARGES BY AGREEING TO BE ENJOINED AND TO PAY MORE THAN $2.5 MILLION IN DISGORGEMENTS, INTEREST AND PENALTIES

The Securities and Exchange Commission today filed a complaint in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Texas (Houston Division) alleging that (1) ten individuals --William A Rothrock, IV, W. Gregory Orr, Logan L. Nichols, Glenn A. Oakes, Clarence L. Miller, Stephen P. Gauthier, Richard M. Miller, Darrell L. Goodreau, Matthew E. Miller, and Timothy D. Trahan -- engaged in unlawful insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's acquisition of American Waste Services, Inc. in February, 1998, and (2), five weeks later, Rothrock and seven of the individuals engaged in illegal insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's merger with Waste Management, Inc. in March, 1998.

The Complaint alleges that Rothrock learned of USA Waste's plan to acquire American Waste in his capacity as Senior Vice President of Business Development at USA Waste and breached his duty by tipping Orr, Nichols and Oakes in advance of the public announcement of the acquisition on February 6, 1998. Based on these tips, Orr, Nichols and Oakes each purchased American Waste stock. Shortly thereafter, Nichols tipped his friends Clarence L. Miller, Stephen Gauthier, Richard M. Miller and Robert "Dale" Trahan ("Dale Trahan") (now deceased),  each of whom also purchased American Waste stock. Richard Miller then tipped his son, Matthew E. Miller and his friend Goodreau, both of whom traded. Dale Trahan tipped his son Timothy D. Trahan, who also traded. Between February 5 and 6, the trader defendants and Dale Trahan purchased, in the aggregate, 322,500 shares of American Waste stock, which they later sold for combined profits of $567,634.75.
 

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17213.htm


Could this be THE TIMOTHY D. TRAHAN????????We must confirm,and or deny??? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 25, 2009, 11:52:19 PM
This is Louis Schaefer's Son

2.  SCHAEFER, JAMES SCOTT (Age 40)

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 BLUEBONNET PET CREMATORY, INC
 THE LOUIS E SCHAEFER, JR FOUNDATION 


I wonder what the purpose of this Foundation is.

I know, I know. . . .Google is my friend.  Just thought someone might know from memory.


Hi Anna,

I don't have anything on the foundation, sorry. You've been cracking me up though!  I especially liked it when you answered yourself earlier.   ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyHaHa::




Lifesong, I appreciate all the work you have put in to your Timeline and it is very helpful.

Yes, I answer myself when no one else does.  We have to learn to meet our own needs, right?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am pondering the fact that PI and I would assume Beth knew about this giving the contents of the trap to ALE exclusively as early as April, 2008.  That had to be crushing for them.

And yet another such search is planned?  I don't quite understand that.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

But I am lost in all the conglomerates and must leave that to others who understand them better than I do.




I personally am not at all convinced another search is planned at this time.  I think it's likely we'd already be hearing alot more buzz if there was.  As I recall, there was one Dutch article picked up in Aruba and that's it.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2009, 11:59:23 PM
 

U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C.
Litigation Release No. 17213 / October 31, 2001
Securities and Exchange Commission v. William A. Rothrock, IV et al., Civil Action No. H013732 (MH) (S.D. Tex.)

FORMER SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AT USA WASTE SERVICES, INC. AND NINE OTHERS SETTLE INSIDER TRADING CHARGES BY AGREEING TO BE ENJOINED AND TO PAY MORE THAN $2.5 MILLION IN DISGORGEMENTS, INTEREST AND PENALTIES

The Securities and Exchange Commission today filed a complaint in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Texas (Houston Division) alleging that (1) ten individuals --William A Rothrock, IV, W. Gregory Orr, Logan L. Nichols, Glenn A. Oakes, Clarence L. Miller, Stephen P. Gauthier, Richard M. Miller, Darrell L. Goodreau, Matthew E. Miller, and Timothy D. Trahan -- engaged in unlawful insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's acquisition of American Waste Services, Inc. in February, 1998, and (2), five weeks later, Rothrock and seven of the individuals engaged in illegal insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's merger with Waste Management, Inc. in March, 1998.

The Complaint alleges that Rothrock learned of USA Waste's plan to acquire American Waste in his capacity as Senior Vice President of Business Development at USA Waste and breached his duty by tipping Orr, Nichols and Oakes in advance of the public announcement of the acquisition on February 6, 1998. Based on these tips, Orr, Nichols and Oakes each purchased American Waste stock. Shortly thereafter, Nichols tipped his friends Clarence L. Miller, Stephen Gauthier, Richard M. Miller and Robert "Dale" Trahan ("Dale Trahan") (now deceased),  each of whom also purchased American Waste stock. Richard Miller then tipped his son, Matthew E. Miller and his friend Goodreau, both of whom traded. Dale Trahan tipped his son Timothy D. Trahan, who also traded. Between February 5 and 6, the trader defendants and Dale Trahan purchased, in the aggregate, 322,500 shares of American Waste stock, which they later sold for combined profits of $567,634.75.
 

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17213.htm


Could this be THE TIMOTHY D. TRAHAN????????We must confirm,and or deny??? ::MonkeyCool::


Timothy D. Trahan will disgorge $6,422.88 plus prejudgment interest of $1,970.82 and pay a penalty of $6,422.88.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 26, 2009, 12:01:54 AM
 

U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C.
Litigation Release No. 17213 / October 31, 2001
Securities and Exchange Commission v. William A. Rothrock, IV et al., Civil Action No. H013732 (MH) (S.D. Tex.)

FORMER SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AT USA WASTE SERVICES, INC. AND NINE OTHERS SETTLE INSIDER TRADING CHARGES BY AGREEING TO BE ENJOINED AND TO PAY MORE THAN $2.5 MILLION IN DISGORGEMENTS, INTEREST AND PENALTIES

The Securities and Exchange Commission today filed a complaint in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Texas (Houston Division) alleging that (1) ten individuals --William A Rothrock, IV, W. Gregory Orr, Logan L. Nichols, Glenn A. Oakes, Clarence L. Miller, Stephen P. Gauthier, Richard M. Miller, Darrell L. Goodreau, Matthew E. Miller, and Timothy D. Trahan -- engaged in unlawful insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's acquisition of American Waste Services, Inc. in February, 1998, and (2), five weeks later, Rothrock and seven of the individuals engaged in illegal insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's merger with Waste Management, Inc. in March, 1998.

The Complaint alleges that Rothrock learned of USA Waste's plan to acquire American Waste in his capacity as Senior Vice President of Business Development at USA Waste and breached his duty by tipping Orr, Nichols and Oakes in advance of the public announcement of the acquisition on February 6, 1998. Based on these tips, Orr, Nichols and Oakes each purchased American Waste stock. Shortly thereafter, Nichols tipped his friends Clarence L. Miller, Stephen Gauthier, Richard M. Miller and Robert "Dale" Trahan ("Dale Trahan") (now deceased),  each of whom also purchased American Waste stock. Richard Miller then tipped his son, Matthew E. Miller and his friend Goodreau, both of whom traded. Dale Trahan tipped his son Timothy D. Trahan, who also traded. Between February 5 and 6, the trader defendants and Dale Trahan purchased, in the aggregate, 322,500 shares of American Waste stock, which they later sold for combined profits of $567,634.75.
 

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17213.htm


Could this be THE TIMOTHY D. TRAHAN????????We must confirm,and or deny??? ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyEek::

You have got to be kidding me!





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 26, 2009, 12:09:13 AM
 

U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C.
Litigation Release No. 17213 / October 31, 2001
Securities and Exchange Commission v. William A. Rothrock, IV et al., Civil Action No. H013732 (MH) (S.D. Tex.)

FORMER SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AT USA WASTE SERVICES, INC. AND NINE OTHERS SETTLE INSIDER TRADING CHARGES BY AGREEING TO BE ENJOINED AND TO PAY MORE THAN $2.5 MILLION IN DISGORGEMENTS, INTEREST AND PENALTIES

The Securities and Exchange Commission today filed a complaint in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Texas (Houston Division) alleging that (1) ten individuals --William A Rothrock, IV, W. Gregory Orr, Logan L. Nichols, Glenn A. Oakes, Clarence L. Miller, Stephen P. Gauthier, Richard M. Miller, Darrell L. Goodreau, Matthew E. Miller, and Timothy D. Trahan -- engaged in unlawful insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's acquisition of American Waste Services, Inc. in February, 1998, and (2), five weeks later, Rothrock and seven of the individuals engaged in illegal insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's merger with Waste Management, Inc. in March, 1998.

The Complaint alleges that Rothrock learned of USA Waste's plan to acquire American Waste in his capacity as Senior Vice President of Business Development at USA Waste and breached his duty by tipping Orr, Nichols and Oakes in advance of the public announcement of the acquisition on February 6, 1998. Based on these tips, Orr, Nichols and Oakes each purchased American Waste stock. Shortly thereafter, Nichols tipped his friends Clarence L. Miller, Stephen Gauthier, Richard M. Miller and Robert "Dale" Trahan ("Dale Trahan") (now deceased),  each of whom also purchased American Waste stock. Richard Miller then tipped his son, Matthew E. Miller and his friend Goodreau, both of whom traded. Dale Trahan tipped his son Timothy D. Trahan, who also traded. Between February 5 and 6, the trader defendants and Dale Trahan purchased, in the aggregate, 322,500 shares of American Waste stock, which they later sold for combined profits of $567,634.75.
 

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17213.htm


Could this be THE TIMOTHY D. TRAHAN????????We must confirm,and or deny??? ::MonkeyCool::
KTF  Are You saying that the Tim Trahan involved in the Natalee search is the one above or Are You saying the one above might be Him?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 26, 2009, 12:11:37 AM
 

U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C.
Litigation Release No. 17213 / October 31, 2001
Securities and Exchange Commission v. William A. Rothrock, IV et al., Civil Action No. H013732 (MH) (S.D. Tex.)

FORMER SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AT USA WASTE SERVICES, INC. AND NINE OTHERS SETTLE INSIDER TRADING CHARGES BY AGREEING TO BE ENJOINED AND TO PAY MORE THAN $2.5 MILLION IN DISGORGEMENTS, INTEREST AND PENALTIES

The Securities and Exchange Commission today filed a complaint in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Texas (Houston Division) alleging that (1) ten individuals --William A Rothrock, IV, W. Gregory Orr, Logan L. Nichols, Glenn A. Oakes, Clarence L. Miller, Stephen P. Gauthier, Richard M. Miller, Darrell L. Goodreau, Matthew E. Miller, and Timothy D. Trahan -- engaged in unlawful insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's acquisition of American Waste Services, Inc. in February, 1998, and (2), five weeks later, Rothrock and seven of the individuals engaged in illegal insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's merger with Waste Management, Inc. in March, 1998.

The Complaint alleges that Rothrock learned of USA Waste's plan to acquire American Waste in his capacity as Senior Vice President of Business Development at USA Waste and breached his duty by tipping Orr, Nichols and Oakes in advance of the public announcement of the acquisition on February 6, 1998. Based on these tips, Orr, Nichols and Oakes each purchased American Waste stock. Shortly thereafter, Nichols tipped his friends Clarence L. Miller, Stephen Gauthier, Richard M. Miller and Robert "Dale" Trahan ("Dale Trahan") (now deceased),  each of whom also purchased American Waste stock. Richard Miller then tipped his son, Matthew E. Miller and his friend Goodreau, both of whom traded. Dale Trahan tipped his son Timothy D. Trahan, who also traded. Between February 5 and 6, the trader defendants and Dale Trahan purchased, in the aggregate, 322,500 shares of American Waste stock, which they later sold for combined profits of $567,634.75.
 

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17213.htm


Could this be THE TIMOTHY D. TRAHAN????????We must confirm,and or deny??? ::MonkeyCool::
KTF  Are You saying that the Tim Trahan involved in the Natalee search is the one above or Are You saying the one above might be Him?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I don't know HotPing or LifeSong.We'd have to confirm,and or deny.Shouldn't be hard with the name of his dad???Someone in texas may have an easier time!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 26, 2009, 12:15:01 AM
 

U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C.
Litigation Release No. 17213 / October 31, 2001
Securities and Exchange Commission v. William A. Rothrock, IV et al., Civil Action No. H013732 (MH) (S.D. Tex.)

FORMER SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AT USA WASTE SERVICES, INC. AND NINE OTHERS SETTLE INSIDER TRADING CHARGES BY AGREEING TO BE ENJOINED AND TO PAY MORE THAN $2.5 MILLION IN DISGORGEMENTS, INTEREST AND PENALTIES

The Securities and Exchange Commission today filed a complaint in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Texas (Houston Division) alleging that (1) ten individuals --William A Rothrock, IV, W. Gregory Orr, Logan L. Nichols, Glenn A. Oakes, Clarence L. Miller, Stephen P. Gauthier, Richard M. Miller, Darrell L. Goodreau, Matthew E. Miller, and Timothy D. Trahan -- engaged in unlawful insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's acquisition of American Waste Services, Inc. in February, 1998, and (2), five weeks later, Rothrock and seven of the individuals engaged in illegal insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's merger with Waste Management, Inc. in March, 1998.

The Complaint alleges that Rothrock learned of USA Waste's plan to acquire American Waste in his capacity as Senior Vice President of Business Development at USA Waste and breached his duty by tipping Orr, Nichols and Oakes in advance of the public announcement of the acquisition on February 6, 1998. Based on these tips, Orr, Nichols and Oakes each purchased American Waste stock. Shortly thereafter, Nichols tipped his friends Clarence L. Miller, Stephen Gauthier, Richard M. Miller and Robert "Dale" Trahan ("Dale Trahan") (now deceased),  each of whom also purchased American Waste stock. Richard Miller then tipped his son, Matthew E. Miller and his friend Goodreau, both of whom traded. Dale Trahan tipped his son Timothy D. Trahan, who also traded. Between February 5 and 6, the trader defendants and Dale Trahan purchased, in the aggregate, 322,500 shares of American Waste stock, which they later sold for combined profits of $567,634.75.
 

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17213.htm


Could this be THE TIMOTHY D. TRAHAN????????We must confirm,and or deny??? ::MonkeyCool::
KTF  Are You saying that the Tim Trahan involved in the Natalee search is the one above or Are You saying the one above might be Him?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I don't know HotPing or LifeSong.We'd have to confirm,and or deny.Shouldn't be hard with the name of his dad???Someone in texas may have an easier time!
I can look up TX Births...give Me a minute and I will look.....also I found this....I think this might be him....


.  TRAHAN, TIMOTHY D

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 TRAHAN FINANCIAL Portfolio Managers  2951 Marina Bay Dr  #130-26, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
2700 Post Oak Blvd  #1350, HOUSTON, TX 77056   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 26, 2009, 12:24:45 AM
 

U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C.
Litigation Release No. 17213 / October 31, 2001
Securities and Exchange Commission v. William A. Rothrock, IV et al., Civil Action No. H013732 (MH) (S.D. Tex.)

FORMER SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AT USA WASTE SERVICES, INC. AND NINE OTHERS SETTLE INSIDER TRADING CHARGES BY AGREEING TO BE ENJOINED AND TO PAY MORE THAN $2.5 MILLION IN DISGORGEMENTS, INTEREST AND PENALTIES

The Securities and Exchange Commission today filed a complaint in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Texas (Houston Division) alleging that (1) ten individuals --William A Rothrock, IV, W. Gregory Orr, Logan L. Nichols, Glenn A. Oakes, Clarence L. Miller, Stephen P. Gauthier, Richard M. Miller, Darrell L. Goodreau, Matthew E. Miller, and Timothy D. Trahan -- engaged in unlawful insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's acquisition of American Waste Services, Inc. in February, 1998, and (2), five weeks later, Rothrock and seven of the individuals engaged in illegal insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's merger with Waste Management, Inc. in March, 1998.

The Complaint alleges that Rothrock learned of USA Waste's plan to acquire American Waste in his capacity as Senior Vice President of Business Development at USA Waste and breached his duty by tipping Orr, Nichols and Oakes in advance of the public announcement of the acquisition on February 6, 1998. Based on these tips, Orr, Nichols and Oakes each purchased American Waste stock. Shortly thereafter, Nichols tipped his friends Clarence L. Miller, Stephen Gauthier, Richard M. Miller and Robert "Dale" Trahan ("Dale Trahan") (now deceased),  each of whom also purchased American Waste stock. Richard Miller then tipped his son, Matthew E. Miller and his friend Goodreau, both of whom traded. Dale Trahan tipped his son Timothy D. Trahan, who also traded. Between February 5 and 6, the trader defendants and Dale Trahan purchased, in the aggregate, 322,500 shares of American Waste stock, which they later sold for combined profits of $567,634.75.
 

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17213.htm


Could this be THE TIMOTHY D. TRAHAN????????We must confirm,and or deny??? ::MonkeyCool::
KTF  Are You saying that the Tim Trahan involved in the Natalee search is the one above or Are You saying the one above might be Him?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I don't know HotPing or LifeSong.We'd have to confirm,and or deny.Shouldn't be hard with the name of his dad???Someone in texas may have an easier time!
I can look up TX Births...give Me a minute and I will look.....also I found this....I think this might be him....


.  TRAHAN, TIMOTHY D

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 TRAHAN FINANCIAL Portfolio Managers  2951 Marina Bay Dr  #130-26, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
2700 Post Oak Blvd  #1350, HOUSTON, TX 77056   
I could not find a TX Birth with a Timothy Dale Trahan and Robert Dale Trahan as the father so The Tim Trahan in KTF's article was not born in TX..... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 26, 2009, 12:26:21 AM
 

U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C.
Litigation Release No. 17213 / October 31, 2001
Securities and Exchange Commission v. William A. Rothrock, IV et al., Civil Action No. H013732 (MH) (S.D. Tex.)

FORMER SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AT USA WASTE SERVICES, INC. AND NINE OTHERS SETTLE INSIDER TRADING CHARGES BY AGREEING TO BE ENJOINED AND TO PAY MORE THAN $2.5 MILLION IN DISGORGEMENTS, INTEREST AND PENALTIES

The Securities and Exchange Commission today filed a complaint in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Texas (Houston Division) alleging that (1) ten individuals --William A Rothrock, IV, W. Gregory Orr, Logan L. Nichols, Glenn A. Oakes, Clarence L. Miller, Stephen P. Gauthier, Richard M. Miller, Darrell L. Goodreau, Matthew E. Miller, and Timothy D. Trahan -- engaged in unlawful insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's acquisition of American Waste Services, Inc. in February, 1998, and (2), five weeks later, Rothrock and seven of the individuals engaged in illegal insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's merger with Waste Management, Inc. in March, 1998.

The Complaint alleges that Rothrock learned of USA Waste's plan to acquire American Waste in his capacity as Senior Vice President of Business Development at USA Waste and breached his duty by tipping Orr, Nichols and Oakes in advance of the public announcement of the acquisition on February 6, 1998. Based on these tips, Orr, Nichols and Oakes each purchased American Waste stock. Shortly thereafter, Nichols tipped his friends Clarence L. Miller, Stephen Gauthier, Richard M. Miller and Robert "Dale" Trahan ("Dale Trahan") (now deceased),  each of whom also purchased American Waste stock. Richard Miller then tipped his son, Matthew E. Miller and his friend Goodreau, both of whom traded. Dale Trahan tipped his son Timothy D. Trahan, who also traded. Between February 5 and 6, the trader defendants and Dale Trahan purchased, in the aggregate, 322,500 shares of American Waste stock, which they later sold for combined profits of $567,634.75.
 

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17213.htm


Could this be THE TIMOTHY D. TRAHAN????????We must confirm,and or deny??? ::MonkeyCool::
KTF  Are You saying that the Tim Trahan involved in the Natalee search is the one above or Are You saying the one above might be Him?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I don't know HotPing or LifeSong.We'd have to confirm,and or deny.Shouldn't be hard with the name of his dad???Someone in texas may have an easier time!
I can look up TX Births...give Me a minute and I will look.....also I found this....I think this might be him....


.  TRAHAN, TIMOTHY D

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 TRAHAN FINANCIAL Portfolio Managers  2951 Marina Bay Dr  #130-26, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
2700 Post Oak Blvd  #1350, HOUSTON, TX 77056   
I could not find a TX Birth with a Timothy Dale Trahan and Robert Dale Trahan as the father so The Tim Trahan in KTF's article was not born in TX..... ::MonkeyNoNo::

What about Lousiana??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 26, 2009, 12:32:38 AM
 

U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C.
Litigation Release No. 17213 / October 31, 2001
Securities and Exchange Commission v. William A. Rothrock, IV et al., Civil Action No. H013732 (MH) (S.D. Tex.)

FORMER SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AT USA WASTE SERVICES, INC. AND NINE OTHERS SETTLE INSIDER TRADING CHARGES BY AGREEING TO BE ENJOINED AND TO PAY MORE THAN $2.5 MILLION IN DISGORGEMENTS, INTEREST AND PENALTIES

The Securities and Exchange Commission today filed a complaint in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Texas (Houston Division) alleging that (1) ten individuals --William A Rothrock, IV, W. Gregory Orr, Logan L. Nichols, Glenn A. Oakes, Clarence L. Miller, Stephen P. Gauthier, Richard M. Miller, Darrell L. Goodreau, Matthew E. Miller, and Timothy D. Trahan -- engaged in unlawful insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's acquisition of American Waste Services, Inc. in February, 1998, and (2), five weeks later, Rothrock and seven of the individuals engaged in illegal insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's merger with Waste Management, Inc. in March, 1998.

The Complaint alleges that Rothrock learned of USA Waste's plan to acquire American Waste in his capacity as Senior Vice President of Business Development at USA Waste and breached his duty by tipping Orr, Nichols and Oakes in advance of the public announcement of the acquisition on February 6, 1998. Based on these tips, Orr, Nichols and Oakes each purchased American Waste stock. Shortly thereafter, Nichols tipped his friends Clarence L. Miller, Stephen Gauthier, Richard M. Miller and Robert "Dale" Trahan ("Dale Trahan") (now deceased),  each of whom also purchased American Waste stock. Richard Miller then tipped his son, Matthew E. Miller and his friend Goodreau, both of whom traded. Dale Trahan tipped his son Timothy D. Trahan, who also traded. Between February 5 and 6, the trader defendants and Dale Trahan purchased, in the aggregate, 322,500 shares of American Waste stock, which they later sold for combined profits of $567,634.75.
 

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17213.htm


Could this be THE TIMOTHY D. TRAHAN????????We must confirm,and or deny??? ::MonkeyCool::
KTF  Are You saying that the Tim Trahan involved in the Natalee search is the one above or Are You saying the one above might be Him?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I don't know HotPing or LifeSong.We'd have to confirm,and or deny.Shouldn't be hard with the name of his dad???Someone in texas may have an easier time!
I can look up TX Births...give Me a minute and I will look.....also I found this....I think this might be him....


.  TRAHAN, TIMOTHY D

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 TRAHAN FINANCIAL Portfolio Managers  2951 Marina Bay Dr  #130-26, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
2700 Post Oak Blvd  #1350, HOUSTON, TX 77056   
I could not find a TX Birth with a Timothy Dale Trahan and Robert Dale Trahan as the father so The Tim Trahan in KTF's article was not born in TX..... ::MonkeyNoNo::

What about Lousiana??
Unfortunately Louisiana Does not have a Public Birth Index like some states...  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 26, 2009, 12:34:31 AM
I think the potential still exists until we can prove one way or the other.No?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 26, 2009, 12:45:12 AM
I found all of these addresses around the Houston area for Timothy D.Trahan

Background Report for Timothy D. Trahan

LOCATIONS FOR TIMOTHY D. TRAHAN:
5 Addresses in Houston, TX
3 Addresses in Lake Arthur, LA
2 Addresses in Kaplan, LA
1 Address in League City, TX
 
 RELATIVES OF TIMOTHY TRAHAN:
Shelva Trahan  wife
 alias used Tim Trahan


 
 
COMPLETE REPORT INCLUDES (WHEN AVAILABLE):
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 26, 2009, 12:48:32 AM
I think the potential still exists until we can prove one way or the other.No?
Yep It could be Him....but I'm not sure yet...I'm getting Very tired and I think for tonight I will hit the Monkey Bunkey.....

Good Night All!




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 26, 2009, 12:49:28 AM
I found all of these addresses around the Houston area for Timothy D.Trahan

Background Report for Timothy D. Trahan

LOCATIONS FOR TIMOTHY D. TRAHAN:
5 Addresses in Houston, TX
3 Addresses in Lake Arthur, LA
2 Addresses in Kaplan, LA
1 Address in League City, TX
 
 RELATIVES OF TIMOTHY TRAHAN:
Shelva Trahan  wife
 alias used Tim Trahan


 
 
COMPLETE REPORT INCLUDES (WHEN AVAILABLE):
 


Be nice to be able to conclusively confirm,and or deny.It would be quite interesting if it was the Tim Trahan from the dive!From what posters have said it is a fairly common name in the south.I woulkd think the middle initial "D" would narrow it down if that is indeed our Tim Trahan's middle name.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 26, 2009, 12:50:07 AM
I think the potential still exists until we can prove one way or the other.No?
Yep It could be Him....but I'm not sure yet...I'm getting Very tired and I think for tonight I will hit the Monkey Bunkey.....

Good Night All!




Goodnight HotPing.Thanx for the research!! ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 26, 2009, 12:52:44 AM
I found all of these addresses around the Houston area for Timothy D.Trahan

Background Report for Timothy D. Trahan

LOCATIONS FOR TIMOTHY D. TRAHAN:
5 Addresses in Houston, TX
3 Addresses in Lake Arthur, LA
2 Addresses in Kaplan, LA
1 Address in League City, TX
 
 RELATIVES OF TIMOTHY TRAHAN:
Shelva Trahan  wife
 alias used Tim Trahan


 
 
COMPLETE REPORT INCLUDES (WHEN AVAILABLE):
 

Thanks Magnolia.....Here's the one that I belief is in KTF's article....I'm removong the phone numbers



  TRAHAN, TIMOTHY MATTHEW (Age 51)

Associated names:

 TRAHAN, TIM 
 TRAHAN, TIMOTHY DALE 2900 Rolido Dr  #164-3, HOUSTON, TX 77063
8954 Green Ray Dr , HOUSTON, TX 77095
3045 Marina Bay Dr  #1112, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
260 PO Box, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
504 Nemento Ave , LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
3045 Marina Bay Dr  #9201, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
3045 Marina Bay Dr , LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
2951 Marina Bay Dr  #130-26, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
3045 Marina Bay Dr  #3210, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
3045 Marina Bay Dr  #8207, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
8811 Kirkmont Dr , HOUSTON, TX 77089
3045 Marina Bay Dr  #11202, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
5602 Highway 26, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
2900 Rolido Dr , HOUSTON, TX 77063
2900 Rolido Dr  #164, HOUSTON, TX 77063
11111 Pleasant Colony Dr  #738, HOUSTON, TX 77065
249 PO Box, FRANKLIN, TX 77856
 Fannie Bass Srd, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
5602 Hwy 26, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
600 PO Box, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549   03/01/1957
Possible Relatives:

TRAHAN, DALE
TRAHAN, TIMOTHY M
TRAHAN, TIMOTHY D
HAN, KYU
TRAHAN, TIMOTHY MATTHEW (Age 62)
TRAHAN, LINDA CAROL (Age 46)
TRAHAN, MELISSA F (Age 38)
TRAHAN, ROBERT DALE (Age 63)
TRAHAN, TROY DAIVD (Age 40)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

SANDERS, LAURIE A (Age 43)
EBERT, CANDACE R (Age 28)
ROGERS, CATHERINA F (Age 35)
HOOVER, LOGAN P (Age 30)
JEANE, JENNIFER KATHLEEN (Age 45)
BOLTON, PAUL DANIEL (Age 40)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 12:58:58 AM
Just driving back.

Good Night Hotping and Magnolia.

Janet
10:00 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 26, 2009, 01:05:35 AM
                               JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

                                  GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS

                                           KEEPTHEFAITH


P.S. ARUBA.WE'RE STILL HERE ALMOST 4 YEARS LATER.. ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 26, 2009, 01:24:38 AM
This is the correct Timothy D Trahan the Post Oak address matches with H20 Tours ::MonkeyWink::




.  TRAHAN, TIMOTHY D

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 TRAHAN FINANCIAL Portfolio Managers  2951 Marina Bay Dr  #130-26, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
2700 Post Oak Blvd  #1350, HOUSTON, TX 77056   
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 26, 2009, 01:47:19 AM
 

U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C.
Litigation Release No. 17213 / October 31, 2001
Securities and Exchange Commission v. William A. Rothrock, IV et al., Civil Action No. H013732 (MH) (S.D. Tex.)

FORMER SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AT USA WASTE SERVICES, INC. AND NINE OTHERS SETTLE INSIDER TRADING CHARGES BY AGREEING TO BE ENJOINED AND TO PAY MORE THAN $2.5 MILLION IN DISGORGEMENTS, INTEREST AND PENALTIES

The Securities and Exchange Commission today filed a complaint in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Texas (Houston Division) alleging that (1) ten individuals --William A Rothrock, IV, W. Gregory Orr, Logan L. Nichols, Glenn A. Oakes, Clarence L. Miller, Stephen P. Gauthier, Richard M. Miller, Darrell L. Goodreau, Matthew E. Miller, and Timothy D. Trahan -- engaged in unlawful insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's acquisition of American Waste Services, Inc. in February, 1998, and (2), five weeks later, Rothrock and seven of the individuals engaged in illegal insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's merger with Waste Management, Inc. in March, 1998.

The Complaint alleges that Rothrock learned of USA Waste's plan to acquire American Waste in his capacity as Senior Vice President of Business Development at USA Waste and breached his duty by tipping Orr, Nichols and Oakes in advance of the public announcement of the acquisition on February 6, 1998. Based on these tips, Orr, Nichols and Oakes each purchased American Waste stock. Shortly thereafter, Nichols tipped his friends Clarence L. Miller, Stephen Gauthier, Richard M. Miller and Robert "Dale" Trahan ("Dale Trahan") (now deceased),  each of whom also purchased American Waste stock. Richard Miller then tipped his son, Matthew E. Miller and his friend Goodreau, both of whom traded. Dale Trahan tipped his son Timothy D. Trahan, who also traded. Between February 5 and 6, the trader defendants and Dale Trahan purchased, in the aggregate, 322,500 shares of American Waste stock, which they later sold for combined profits of $567,634.75.
 

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17213.htm


Could this be THE TIMOTHY D. TRAHAN????????We must confirm,and or deny??? ::MonkeyCool::
KTF  Are You saying that the Tim Trahan involved in the Natalee search is the one above or Are You saying the one above might be Him?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I don't know HotPing or LifeSong.We'd have to confirm,and or deny.Shouldn't be hard with the name of his dad???Someone in texas may have an easier time!
I can look up TX Births...give Me a minute and I will look.....also I found this....I think this might be him....


.  TRAHAN, TIMOTHY D

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 TRAHAN FINANCIAL Portfolio Managers  2951 Marina Bay Dr  #130-26, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
2700 Post Oak Blvd  #1350, HOUSTON, TX 77056   
I could not find a TX Birth with a Timothy Dale Trahan and Robert Dale Trahan as the father so The Tim Trahan in KTF's article was not born in TX..... ::MonkeyNoNo::

What about Lousiana??
Unfortunately Louisiana Does not have a Public Birth Index like some states...  ::MonkeyNoNo::
A public birth index may be too close to home for Louisiana  ....if you know what I mean... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 26, 2009, 01:50:42 AM
Guess I came in too late this evening....you guys and gals are so awesome with your research abilities!
Good night billb and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 26, 2009, 01:55:46 AM
 

U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C.
Litigation Release No. 17213 / October 31, 2001
Securities and Exchange Commission v. William A. Rothrock, IV et al., Civil Action No. H013732 (MH) (S.D. Tex.)

FORMER SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AT USA WASTE SERVICES, INC. AND NINE OTHERS SETTLE INSIDER TRADING CHARGES BY AGREEING TO BE ENJOINED AND TO PAY MORE THAN $2.5 MILLION IN DISGORGEMENTS, INTEREST AND PENALTIES

The Securities and Exchange Commission today filed a complaint in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Texas (Houston Division) alleging that (1) ten individuals --William A Rothrock, IV, W. Gregory Orr, Logan L. Nichols, Glenn A. Oakes, Clarence L. Miller, Stephen P. Gauthier, Richard M. Miller, Darrell L. Goodreau, Matthew E. Miller, and Timothy D. Trahan -- engaged in unlawful insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's acquisition of American Waste Services, Inc. in February, 1998, and (2), five weeks later, Rothrock and seven of the individuals engaged in illegal insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's merger with Waste Management, Inc. in March, 1998.

The Complaint alleges that Rothrock learned of USA Waste's plan to acquire American Waste in his capacity as Senior Vice President of Business Development at USA Waste and breached his duty by tipping Orr, Nichols and Oakes in advance of the public announcement of the acquisition on February 6, 1998. Based on these tips, Orr, Nichols and Oakes each purchased American Waste stock. Shortly thereafter, Nichols tipped his friends Clarence L. Miller, Stephen Gauthier, Richard M. Miller and Robert "Dale" Trahan ("Dale Trahan") (now deceased),  each of whom also purchased American Waste stock. Richard Miller then tipped his son, Matthew E. Miller and his friend Goodreau, both of whom traded. Dale Trahan tipped his son Timothy D. Trahan, who also traded. Between February 5 and 6, the trader defendants and Dale Trahan purchased, in the aggregate, 322,500 shares of American Waste stock, which they later sold for combined profits of $567,634.75.
 

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17213.htm


Could this be THE TIMOTHY D. TRAHAN????????We must confirm,and or deny??? ::MonkeyCool::
KTF  Are You saying that the Tim Trahan involved in the Natalee search is the one above or Are You saying the one above might be Him?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I don't know HotPing or LifeSong.We'd have to confirm,and or deny.Shouldn't be hard with the name of his dad???Someone in texas may have an easier time!
I can look up TX Births...give Me a minute and I will look.....also I found this....I think this might be him....


.  TRAHAN, TIMOTHY D

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 TRAHAN FINANCIAL Portfolio Managers  2951 Marina Bay Dr  #130-26, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
2700 Post Oak Blvd  #1350, HOUSTON, TX 77056   
I could not find a TX Birth with a Timothy Dale Trahan and Robert Dale Trahan as the father so The Tim Trahan in KTF's article was not born in TX..... ::MonkeyNoNo::

What about Lousiana??
Unfortunately Louisiana Does not have a Public Birth Index like some states...  ::MonkeyNoNo::
A public birth index may be too close to home for Louisiana  ....if you know what I mean... ::MonkeyWink::
No offense to Louisianians..I just couldn't pass up the opportunity... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::
Hey! Comedians and late night talk shows do much worst...Give me  break please... ::MonkeyDance::
That's funny, I don't care who you are...that's funny...
Say Good night billb...goodnight billb... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 26, 2009, 01:58:03 AM
 

U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C.
Litigation Release No. 17213 / October 31, 2001
Securities and Exchange Commission v. William A. Rothrock, IV et al., Civil Action No. H013732 (MH) (S.D. Tex.)

FORMER SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AT USA WASTE SERVICES, INC. AND NINE OTHERS SETTLE INSIDER TRADING CHARGES BY AGREEING TO BE ENJOINED AND TO PAY MORE THAN $2.5 MILLION IN DISGORGEMENTS, INTEREST AND PENALTIES

The Securities and Exchange Commission today filed a complaint in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Texas (Houston Division) alleging that (1) ten individuals --William A Rothrock, IV, W. Gregory Orr, Logan L. Nichols, Glenn A. Oakes, Clarence L. Miller, Stephen P. Gauthier, Richard M. Miller, Darrell L. Goodreau, Matthew E. Miller, and Timothy D. Trahan -- engaged in unlawful insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's acquisition of American Waste Services, Inc. in February, 1998, and (2), five weeks later, Rothrock and seven of the individuals engaged in illegal insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's merger with Waste Management, Inc. in March, 1998.

The Complaint alleges that Rothrock learned of USA Waste's plan to acquire American Waste in his capacity as Senior Vice President of Business Development at USA Waste and breached his duty by tipping Orr, Nichols and Oakes in advance of the public announcement of the acquisition on February 6, 1998. Based on these tips, Orr, Nichols and Oakes each purchased American Waste stock. Shortly thereafter, Nichols tipped his friends Clarence L. Miller, Stephen Gauthier, Richard M. Miller and Robert "Dale" Trahan ("Dale Trahan") (now deceased),  each of whom also purchased American Waste stock. Richard Miller then tipped his son, Matthew E. Miller and his friend Goodreau, both of whom traded. Dale Trahan tipped his son Timothy D. Trahan, who also traded. Between February 5 and 6, the trader defendants and Dale Trahan purchased, in the aggregate, 322,500 shares of American Waste stock, which they later sold for combined profits of $567,634.75.
 

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17213.htm


Could this be THE TIMOTHY D. TRAHAN????????We must confirm,and or deny??? ::MonkeyCool::
KTF  Are You saying that the Tim Trahan involved in the Natalee search is the one above or Are You saying the one above might be Him?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I don't know HotPing or LifeSong.We'd have to confirm,and or deny.Shouldn't be hard with the name of his dad???Someone in texas may have an easier time!
I can look up TX Births...give Me a minute and I will look.....also I found this....I think this might be him....


.  TRAHAN, TIMOTHY D

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 TRAHAN FINANCIAL Portfolio Managers  2951 Marina Bay Dr  #130-26, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
2700 Post Oak Blvd  #1350, HOUSTON, TX 77056   
I could not find a TX Birth with a Timothy Dale Trahan and Robert Dale Trahan as the father so The Tim Trahan in KTF's article was not born in TX..... ::MonkeyNoNo::

What about Lousiana??
Unfortunately Louisiana Does not have a Public Birth Index like some states...  ::MonkeyNoNo::
A public birth index may be too close to home for Louisiana  ....if you know what I mean... ::MonkeyWink::
No offense to Louisianians..I just couldn't pass up the opportunity... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::
Hey! Comedians and late night talk shows do much worst...Give me  break please... ::MonkeyDance::
That's funny, I don't care who you are...that's funny...
Say Good night billb...goodnight billb... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
No one else is here...I'm having a problem with stacks...I might be aholic of some kind..... ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2009, 01:59:25 AM
Guess I came in too late this evening....you guys and gals are so awesome with your research abilities!
Good night billb and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.


I'm here too billb!   ::MonkeyDance::

Late...catching up plus catching up at home after a few days away!  Three men loose in the house with no one to keep them in line!  I've got my work cut out for me!  
 ::MonkeyWaa::

But I also need to be at work in the morning, so I'm calling it a night!

Great work monkeys, I tried following the Trahan leads some tonight too....got dizzy!   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2009, 02:00:19 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_445.jpg)

TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 26, 2009, 02:01:21 AM
 

U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C.
Litigation Release No. 17213 / October 31, 2001
Securities and Exchange Commission v. William A. Rothrock, IV et al., Civil Action No. H013732 (MH) (S.D. Tex.)

FORMER SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AT USA WASTE SERVICES, INC. AND NINE OTHERS SETTLE INSIDER TRADING CHARGES BY AGREEING TO BE ENJOINED AND TO PAY MORE THAN $2.5 MILLION IN DISGORGEMENTS, INTEREST AND PENALTIES

The Securities and Exchange Commission today filed a complaint in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Texas (Houston Division) alleging that (1) ten individuals --William A Rothrock, IV, W. Gregory Orr, Logan L. Nichols, Glenn A. Oakes, Clarence L. Miller, Stephen P. Gauthier, Richard M. Miller, Darrell L. Goodreau, Matthew E. Miller, and Timothy D. Trahan -- engaged in unlawful insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's acquisition of American Waste Services, Inc. in February, 1998, and (2), five weeks later, Rothrock and seven of the individuals engaged in illegal insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's merger with Waste Management, Inc. in March, 1998.

The Complaint alleges that Rothrock learned of USA Waste's plan to acquire American Waste in his capacity as Senior Vice President of Business Development at USA Waste and breached his duty by tipping Orr, Nichols and Oakes in advance of the public announcement of the acquisition on February 6, 1998. Based on these tips, Orr, Nichols and Oakes each purchased American Waste stock. Shortly thereafter, Nichols tipped his friends Clarence L. Miller, Stephen Gauthier, Richard M. Miller and Robert "Dale" Trahan ("Dale Trahan") (now deceased),  each of whom also purchased American Waste stock. Richard Miller then tipped his son, Matthew E. Miller and his friend Goodreau, both of whom traded. Dale Trahan tipped his son Timothy D. Trahan, who also traded. Between February 5 and 6, the trader defendants and Dale Trahan purchased, in the aggregate, 322,500 shares of American Waste stock, which they later sold for combined profits of $567,634.75.
 

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17213.htm


Could this be THE TIMOTHY D. TRAHAN????????We must confirm,and or deny??? ::MonkeyCool::
KTF  Are You saying that the Tim Trahan involved in the Natalee search is the one above or Are You saying the one above might be Him?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I don't know HotPing or LifeSong.We'd have to confirm,and or deny.Shouldn't be hard with the name of his dad???Someone in texas may have an easier time!
I can look up TX Births...give Me a minute and I will look.....also I found this....I think this might be him....


.  TRAHAN, TIMOTHY D

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 TRAHAN FINANCIAL Portfolio Managers  2951 Marina Bay Dr  #130-26, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
2700 Post Oak Blvd  #1350, HOUSTON, TX 77056   
I could not find a TX Birth with a Timothy Dale Trahan and Robert Dale Trahan as the father so The Tim Trahan in KTF's article was not born in TX..... ::MonkeyNoNo::

What about Lousiana??
Unfortunately Louisiana Does not have a Public Birth Index like some states...  ::MonkeyNoNo::
A public birth index may be too close to home for Louisiana  ....if you know what I mean... ::MonkeyWink::
No offense to Louisianians..I just couldn't pass up the opportunity... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::
Hey! Comedians and late night talk shows do much worst...Give me  break please... ::MonkeyDance::
That's funny, I don't care who you are...that's funny...
Say Good night billb...goodnight billb... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
No one else is here...I'm having a problem with stacks...I might be aholic of some kind..... ::MonkeyRoll::
TM ...I see you...give me a picture.....help me break my  aholic activities....::MonkeyCool::
Pleaseeeee! I'm starting to sweat....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2009, 02:02:48 AM
 

U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C.
Litigation Release No. 17213 / October 31, 2001
Securities and Exchange Commission v. William A. Rothrock, IV et al., Civil Action No. H013732 (MH) (S.D. Tex.)

FORMER SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AT USA WASTE SERVICES, INC. AND NINE OTHERS SETTLE INSIDER TRADING CHARGES BY AGREEING TO BE ENJOINED AND TO PAY MORE THAN $2.5 MILLION IN DISGORGEMENTS, INTEREST AND PENALTIES

The Securities and Exchange Commission today filed a complaint in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Texas (Houston Division) alleging that (1) ten individuals --William A Rothrock, IV, W. Gregory Orr, Logan L. Nichols, Glenn A. Oakes, Clarence L. Miller, Stephen P. Gauthier, Richard M. Miller, Darrell L. Goodreau, Matthew E. Miller, and Timothy D. Trahan -- engaged in unlawful insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's acquisition of American Waste Services, Inc. in February, 1998, and (2), five weeks later, Rothrock and seven of the individuals engaged in illegal insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's merger with Waste Management, Inc. in March, 1998.

The Complaint alleges that Rothrock learned of USA Waste's plan to acquire American Waste in his capacity as Senior Vice President of Business Development at USA Waste and breached his duty by tipping Orr, Nichols and Oakes in advance of the public announcement of the acquisition on February 6, 1998. Based on these tips, Orr, Nichols and Oakes each purchased American Waste stock. Shortly thereafter, Nichols tipped his friends Clarence L. Miller, Stephen Gauthier, Richard M. Miller and Robert "Dale" Trahan ("Dale Trahan") (now deceased),  each of whom also purchased American Waste stock. Richard Miller then tipped his son, Matthew E. Miller and his friend Goodreau, both of whom traded. Dale Trahan tipped his son Timothy D. Trahan, who also traded. Between February 5 and 6, the trader defendants and Dale Trahan purchased, in the aggregate, 322,500 shares of American Waste stock, which they later sold for combined profits of $567,634.75.
 

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17213.htm


Could this be THE TIMOTHY D. TRAHAN????????We must confirm,and or deny??? ::MonkeyCool::
KTF  Are You saying that the Tim Trahan involved in the Natalee search is the one above or Are You saying the one above might be Him?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I don't know HotPing or LifeSong.We'd have to confirm,and or deny.Shouldn't be hard with the name of his dad???Someone in texas may have an easier time!
I can look up TX Births...give Me a minute and I will look.....also I found this....I think this might be him....


.  TRAHAN, TIMOTHY D

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 TRAHAN FINANCIAL Portfolio Managers  2951 Marina Bay Dr  #130-26, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
2700 Post Oak Blvd  #1350, HOUSTON, TX 77056   
I could not find a TX Birth with a Timothy Dale Trahan and Robert Dale Trahan as the father so The Tim Trahan in KTF's article was not born in TX..... ::MonkeyNoNo::

What about Lousiana??
Unfortunately Louisiana Does not have a Public Birth Index like some states...  ::MonkeyNoNo::
A public birth index may be too close to home for Louisiana  ....if you know what I mean... ::MonkeyWink::
No offense to Louisianians..I just couldn't pass up the opportunity... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::
Hey! Comedians and late night talk shows do much worst...Give me  break please... ::MonkeyDance::
That's funny, I don't care who you are...that's funny...
Say Good night billb...goodnight billb... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  You're cracking me up billb!   ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 26, 2009, 02:04:40 AM
Guess I came in too late this evening....you guys and gals are so awesome with your research abilities!
Good night billb and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.


I'm here too billb!   ::MonkeyDance::

Late...catching up plus catching up at home after a few days away!  Three men loose in the house with no one to keep them in line!  I've got my work cut out for me!  
 ::MonkeyWaa::

But I also need to be at work in the morning, so I'm calling it a night!

Great work monkeys, I tried following the Trahan leads some tonight too....got dizzy!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Thanks TM...I needed that!.
I have three women loose in the house.....I'm in the house but always outnumbered! Tell me again how you got a three day release! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 26, 2009, 02:06:29 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_445.jpg)

TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!

 ::MonkeyCool::
TM..Thanks for the picture. We are always here for Natalee!
Good night...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2009, 02:10:30 AM
Guess I came in too late this evening....you guys and gals are so awesome with your research abilities!
Good night billb and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.


I'm here too billb!   ::MonkeyDance::

Late...catching up plus catching up at home after a few days away!  Three men loose in the house with no one to keep them in line!  I've got my work cut out for me!  
 ::MonkeyWaa::

But I also need to be at work in the morning, so I'm calling it a night!

Great work monkeys, I tried following the Trahan leads some tonight too....got dizzy!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Thanks TM...I needed that!.
I have three women loose in the house.....I'm in the house but always outnumbered! Tell me again how you got a three day release! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2009, 02:11:31 AM


Goodnight billb!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 26, 2009, 02:31:04 AM


Goodnight billb!   ::MonkeyCool::
Tm...
Because no one is viewing, and only two guests are viewing...and I'm 1 of the 2...I'm guessing you are the other 1 of 2.....
That's why you are my favorite.... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
I know you are working long hours this week by your posts earlier...Isn't it so awesome on the abilities of all the Monkeys that are here for Justice for Natalee....
I love SM.....
hope it is not yet another addiction....i already have been coined with stackaholism...
Imagine my horror, when I show up at work tomorrow, and someone says...
billb...I heard your are addicted to SM....
And...if the 3 women at home find out...I am toast...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 26, 2009, 02:45:10 AM


Goodnight billb!   ::MonkeyCool::
Tm...
Because no one is viewing, and only two guests are viewing...and I'm 1 of the 2...I'm guessing you are the other 1 of 2.....
That's why you are my favorite.... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
I know you are working long hours this week by your posts earlier...Isn't it so awesome on the abilities of all the Monkeys that are here for Justice for Natalee....
I love SM.....
hope it is not yet another addiction....i already have been coined with stackaholism...
Imagine my horror, when I show up at work tomorrow, and someone says...
billb...I heard your are addicted to SM....
And...if the 3 women at home find out...I am toast...
Just for record keeping purposes...this is another funny... ::MonkeyCool::
Good night alll + billb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 26, 2009, 05:28:14 AM
Quote
Aruban Dutch controversy

Published: Thursday 26 February 2009 09:20 UTC
Last updated: Thursday 26 February 2009 09:20 UTC

Kingdom Relations Minister Ank Bijleveld has lashed out at Aruban Justice Minister Rudy Croes for leaking confidential information. The autonomous island of Aruba forms part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. A weekly report drawn up by the Dutch representation there clearly stated its contents were confidential.

In the report, a national security service official wrote that the brother of Minister Croes was responsible for Aruba's increasingly anti-Dutch policy. The document sparked widespread controversy, and the Aruban government demanded the withdrawal of the Dutch national security service official in question.

However, in a letter to parliament, Minister Bijleveld writes she has no intention of complying with the Aruban demand, and says she is concerned about corruption in Aruba and possible conflicts of interests. She also points out that the report was not the official opinion of the Dutch representation.

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/zijlijn/6192217/Aruban-Dutch-controversy

funny thing is that the report precisely is about corruption in Aruba and possible conflicts of interests.
she says it is not the official opinion of the Dutch representation, but does seem to agree with it anyway.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 26, 2009, 08:12:04 AM
 

U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C.
Litigation Release No. 17213 / October 31, 2001
Securities and Exchange Commission v. William A. Rothrock, IV et al., Civil Action No. H013732 (MH) (S.D. Tex.)

FORMER SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AT USA WASTE SERVICES, INC. AND NINE OTHERS SETTLE INSIDER TRADING CHARGES BY AGREEING TO BE ENJOINED AND TO PAY MORE THAN $2.5 MILLION IN DISGORGEMENTS, INTEREST AND PENALTIES

The Securities and Exchange Commission today filed a complaint in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Texas (Houston Division) alleging that (1) ten individuals --William A Rothrock, IV, W. Gregory Orr, Logan L. Nichols, Glenn A. Oakes, Clarence L. Miller, Stephen P. Gauthier, Richard M. Miller, Darrell L. Goodreau, Matthew E. Miller, and Timothy D. Trahan -- engaged in unlawful insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's acquisition of American Waste Services, Inc. in February, 1998, and (2), five weeks later, Rothrock and seven of the individuals engaged in illegal insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's merger with Waste Management, Inc. in March, 1998.

The Complaint alleges that Rothrock learned of USA Waste's plan to acquire American Waste in his capacity as Senior Vice President of Business Development at USA Waste and breached his duty by tipping Orr, Nichols and Oakes in advance of the public announcement of the acquisition on February 6, 1998. Based on these tips, Orr, Nichols and Oakes each purchased American Waste stock. Shortly thereafter, Nichols tipped his friends Clarence L. Miller, Stephen Gauthier, Richard M. Miller and Robert "Dale" Trahan ("Dale Trahan") (now deceased),  each of whom also purchased American Waste stock. Richard Miller then tipped his son, Matthew E. Miller and his friend Goodreau, both of whom traded. Dale Trahan tipped his son Timothy D. Trahan, who also traded. Between February 5 and 6, the trader defendants and Dale Trahan purchased, in the aggregate, 322,500 shares of American Waste stock, which they later sold for combined profits of $567,634.75.
 

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17213.htm


Could this be THE TIMOTHY D. TRAHAN????????We must confirm,and or deny??? ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyEek::

You have got to be kidding me!







 ::MonkeyShocked::


This does in fact appear to be our Tim "Lighttank" Trahan.  The entire group seems to be no strangers to insider trading.



Good grief!




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 26, 2009, 08:18:48 AM
Quote
Aruban Dutch controversy

Published: Thursday 26 February 2009 09:20 UTC
Last updated: Thursday 26 February 2009 09:20 UTC

Kingdom Relations Minister Ank Bijleveld has lashed out at Aruban Justice Minister Rudy Croes for leaking confidential information. The autonomous island of Aruba forms part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. A weekly report drawn up by the Dutch representation there clearly stated its contents were confidential.

In the report, a national security service official wrote that the brother of Minister Croes was responsible for Aruba's increasingly anti-Dutch policy. The document sparked widespread controversy, and the Aruban government demanded the withdrawal of the Dutch national security service official in question.

However, in a letter to parliament, Minister Bijleveld writes she has no intention of complying with the Aruban demand, and says she is concerned about corruption in Aruba and possible conflicts of interests. She also points out that the report was not the official opinion of the Dutch representation.

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/zijlijn/6192217/Aruban-Dutch-controversy

funny thing is that the report precisely is about corruption in Aruba and possible conflicts of interests.
she says it is not the official opinion of the Dutch representation, but does seem to agree with it anyway.  ::MonkeyHaHa::



caesu,

I am assuming that Rudy Croes is trying to expel Mos not because he thinks Mos actually involved in the spying/memo scandal but as a formal protest the way a governement will usually expel a foreign diplomat?

So I wonder how he selected Mos for that purpose? 

Do you think it is because Mos is not going along with something Rudy wants like perhaps investigating Jan van der Straten?  Or did Rudy just pick a Dutchie at random?

Edit to fix spacing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 26, 2009, 08:22:14 AM
Now just what happened to my post to make that huge blank space!  Yesterday I installed Internet Explorer 8 and since then all manner of freaky stuff has been happening!

Has anyone else done this and if so, did things like this happen?  It also tells me I can't start a new topic all the time when I try to just post in a thread already started.

Bummer!  Hope this kind of thing is not forever.

Fixed.  Do not know why it happened.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 26, 2009, 08:49:27 AM
This is the correct Timothy D Trahan the Post Oak address matches with H20 Tours ::MonkeyWink::




.  TRAHAN, TIMOTHY D

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 TRAHAN FINANCIAL Portfolio Managers  2951 Marina Bay Dr  #130-26, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
2700 Post Oak Blvd  #1350, HOUSTON, TX 77056   
 


Right - Tim Trahan is H20 Tours.

Is this the same Tim Trahan that you found associated wtih the PO Box in Kemah?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 26, 2009, 08:50:05 AM
This is the correct Timothy D Trahan the Post Oak address matches with H20 Tours ::MonkeyWink::




.  TRAHAN, TIMOTHY D

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 TRAHAN FINANCIAL Portfolio Managers  2951 Marina Bay Dr  #130-26, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
2700 Post Oak Blvd  #1350, HOUSTON, TX 77056   
 


Right - Tim Trahan is H20 Tours ETA:  And Trahan Financial.

Is this the same Tim Trahan that you found associated wtih the PO Box in Kemah?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 26, 2009, 10:00:27 AM

Quote
http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7537588&nav=0nqx

SWLA Natives Search For Natalee Holloway

Posted: Dec 24, 2007 12:05 AM CST
Updated: Jan 11, 2008 04:34 PM CST

Reported By: Lee Peck

Prosecutors in the Natalee Holloway case said they will reopen the case "if new serious evidence were to be found." Searching for that evidence is a world renowned underwater search team, which includes two Southwest Louisiana natives. We spoke to one of them by satellite phone Sunday afternoon off the coast of Aruba.

"We're looking for a needle in a haystack, that's a big challenge in and of itself," said Tim Trahan. 

Lake Arthur native Tim Trahan is talking about his latest search. Trahan and Lake Charles native Louis Schaefer Jr. head up Underwater Expeditions around the world. Their latest assignment: the hunt for Natalee Holloway off the coast of Aruba.


If it helps, the Tim Trahan that, in my opinion, cannot be counted on to perform a routine dive to 90 feet for more than one minute, is a native of Lake Arthur, LA, so it looks like you've got the right one.  Good work!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 10:21:47 AM
Good Morning Monkeys

After a morning of teaming rain ...yesterday afternoon an unexpected snow storm hit from the Fraser Valley.  The temperatures dipped to below freezing overnight.  The roads are a sheet of ice this morning ... many schools are closed ....

Winter is not over.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet
7:30 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 26, 2009, 10:32:50 AM
Yes it definitely is one and the same Tim Trahan from My research and from KTF's Article that did the the Dive on the trap...IMHO...As far as a match with a name from the PO Box I can not definitely say there is a match between Tim Trahan and one of the box holders.....I'm still looking to make a definitive match.... ::MonkeyEek:: 



 TRAHAN, TIMOTHY MATTHEW (Age 51)
 
 Associated names:
 
TRAHAN, TIM 
TRAHAN, TIMOTHY DALE 2900 Rolido Dr #164-3, HOUSTON, TX 77063
8954 Green Ray Dr , HOUSTON, TX 77095
3045 Marina Bay Dr #1112, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
260 PO Box, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
504 Nemento Ave , LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
3045 Marina Bay Dr #9201, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
3045 Marina Bay Dr , LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
2951 Marina Bay Dr #130-26, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
3045 Marina Bay Dr #3210, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
3045 Marina Bay Dr #8207, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
8811 Kirkmont Dr , HOUSTON, TX 77089
3045 Marina Bay Dr #11202, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
5602 Highway 26, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
2900 Rolido Dr , HOUSTON, TX 77063
2900 Rolido Dr #164, HOUSTON, TX 77063
11111 Pleasant Colony Dr #738, HOUSTON, TX 77065
249 PO Box, FRANKLIN, TX 77856
Fannie Bass Srd, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
5602 Hwy 26, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
600 PO Box, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549 03/01/1957 
Possible Relatives:
 
TRAHAN, DALE
TRAHAN, TIMOTHY M
TRAHAN, TIMOTHY D
HAN, KYU
TRAHAN, TIMOTHY MATTHEW (Age 62)
TRAHAN, LINDA CAROL (Age 46)
TRAHAN, MELISSA F (Age 38)
TRAHAN, ROBERT DALE (Age 63)
TRAHAN, TROY DAIVD (Age 40)
 
Possible Roommates / Associates:
 
SANDERS, LAURIE A (Age 43)
EBERT, CANDACE R (Age 28)
ROGERS, CATHERINA F (Age 35)
HOOVER, LOGAN P (Age 30)
JEANE, JENNIFER KATHLEEN (Age 45)
BOLTON, PAUL DANIEL (Age 40)






.  TRAHAN, TIMOTHY D

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 TRAHAN FINANCIAL Portfolio Managers  2951 Marina Bay Dr  #130-26, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
2700 Post Oak Blvd  #1350, HOUSTON, TX 77056   


U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C.
Litigation Release No. 17213 / October 31, 2001
Securities and Exchange Commission v. William A. Rothrock, IV et al., Civil Action No. H013732 (MH) (S.D. Tex.)

FORMER SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AT USA WASTE SERVICES, INC. AND NINE OTHERS SETTLE INSIDER TRADING CHARGES BY AGREEING TO BE ENJOINED AND TO PAY MORE THAN $2.5 MILLION IN DISGORGEMENTS, INTEREST AND PENALTIES

The Securities and Exchange Commission today filed a complaint in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Texas (Houston Division) alleging that (1) ten individuals --William A Rothrock, IV, W. Gregory Orr, Logan L. Nichols, Glenn A. Oakes, Clarence L. Miller, Stephen P. Gauthier, Richard M. Miller, Darrell L. Goodreau, Matthew E. Miller, and Timothy D. Trahan -- engaged in unlawful insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's acquisition of American Waste Services, Inc. in February, 1998, and (2), five weeks later, Rothrock and seven of the individuals engaged in illegal insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's merger with Waste Management, Inc. in March, 1998.

The Complaint alleges that Rothrock learned of USA Waste's plan to acquire American Waste in his capacity as Senior Vice President of Business Development at USA Waste and breached his duty by tipping Orr, Nichols and Oakes in advance of the public announcement of the acquisition on February 6, 1998. Based on these tips, Orr, Nichols and Oakes each purchased American Waste stock. Shortly thereafter, Nichols tipped his friends Clarence L. Miller, Stephen Gauthier, Richard M. Miller and Robert "Dale" Trahan ("Dale Trahan") (now deceased), each of whom also purchased American Waste stock. Richard Miller then tipped his son, Matthew E. Miller and his friend Goodreau, both of whom traded. Dale Trahan tipped his son Timothy D. Trahan, who also traded. Between February 5 and 6, the trader defendants and Dale Trahan purchased, in the aggregate, 322,500 shares of American Waste stock, which they later sold for combined profits of $567,634.75.
 

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17213.htm




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 26, 2009, 10:39:27 AM
Yes it definitely is one and the same Tim Trahan from My research and from KTF's Article that did the the Dive on the trap...IMHO...As far as a match with a name from the PO Box I can not definitely say there is a match between Tim Trahan and one of the box holders.....I'm still looking to make a definitive match.... ::MonkeyEek:: 



 TRAHAN, TIMOTHY MATTHEW (Age 51)
 
 Associated names:
 
TRAHAN, TIM 
TRAHAN, TIMOTHY DALE 2900 Rolido Dr #164-3, HOUSTON, TX 77063
8954 Green Ray Dr , HOUSTON, TX 77095
3045 Marina Bay Dr #1112, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
260 PO Box, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
504 Nemento Ave , LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
3045 Marina Bay Dr #9201, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
3045 Marina Bay Dr , LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
2951 Marina Bay Dr #130-26, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
3045 Marina Bay Dr #3210, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
3045 Marina Bay Dr #8207, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
8811 Kirkmont Dr , HOUSTON, TX 77089
3045 Marina Bay Dr #11202, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
5602 Highway 26, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
2900 Rolido Dr , HOUSTON, TX 77063
2900 Rolido Dr #164, HOUSTON, TX 77063
11111 Pleasant Colony Dr #738, HOUSTON, TX 77065
249 PO Box, FRANKLIN, TX 77856
Fannie Bass Srd, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
5602 Hwy 26, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
600 PO Box, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549 03/01/1957 
Possible Relatives:
 
TRAHAN, DALE
TRAHAN, TIMOTHY M
TRAHAN, TIMOTHY D
HAN, KYU
TRAHAN, TIMOTHY MATTHEW (Age 62)
TRAHAN, LINDA CAROL (Age 46)
TRAHAN, MELISSA F (Age 38)
TRAHAN, ROBERT DALE (Age 63)
TRAHAN, TROY DAIVD (Age 40)
 
Possible Roommates / Associates:
 
SANDERS, LAURIE A (Age 43)
EBERT, CANDACE R (Age 28)
ROGERS, CATHERINA F (Age 35)
HOOVER, LOGAN P (Age 30)
JEANE, JENNIFER KATHLEEN (Age 45)
BOLTON, PAUL DANIEL (Age 40)






.  TRAHAN, TIMOTHY D

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 TRAHAN FINANCIAL Portfolio Managers  2951 Marina Bay Dr  #130-26, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
2700 Post Oak Blvd  #1350, HOUSTON, TX 77056   


U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C.
Litigation Release No. 17213 / October 31, 2001
Securities and Exchange Commission v. William A. Rothrock, IV et al., Civil Action No. H013732 (MH) (S.D. Tex.)

FORMER SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AT USA WASTE SERVICES, INC. AND NINE OTHERS SETTLE INSIDER TRADING CHARGES BY AGREEING TO BE ENJOINED AND TO PAY MORE THAN $2.5 MILLION IN DISGORGEMENTS, INTEREST AND PENALTIES

The Securities and Exchange Commission today filed a complaint in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Texas (Houston Division) alleging that (1) ten individuals --William A Rothrock, IV, W. Gregory Orr, Logan L. Nichols, Glenn A. Oakes, Clarence L. Miller, Stephen P. Gauthier, Richard M. Miller, Darrell L. Goodreau, Matthew E. Miller, and Timothy D. Trahan -- engaged in unlawful insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's acquisition of American Waste Services, Inc. in February, 1998, and (2), five weeks later, Rothrock and seven of the individuals engaged in illegal insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's merger with Waste Management, Inc. in March, 1998.

The Complaint alleges that Rothrock learned of USA Waste's plan to acquire American Waste in his capacity as Senior Vice President of Business Development at USA Waste and breached his duty by tipping Orr, Nichols and Oakes in advance of the public announcement of the acquisition on February 6, 1998. Based on these tips, Orr, Nichols and Oakes each purchased American Waste stock. Shortly thereafter, Nichols tipped his friends Clarence L. Miller, Stephen Gauthier, Richard M. Miller and Robert "Dale" Trahan ("Dale Trahan") (now deceased), each of whom also purchased American Waste stock. Richard Miller then tipped his son, Matthew E. Miller and his friend Goodreau, both of whom traded. Dale Trahan tipped his son Timothy D. Trahan, who also traded. Between February 5 and 6, the trader defendants and Dale Trahan purchased, in the aggregate, 322,500 shares of American Waste stock, which they later sold for combined profits of $567,634.75.
 

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17213.htm



Edited to add...link for... H2O Tours which shows that the Post Oak address in Houston Tx ties in with the above

http://www.h2otours.net/contact.htm#phone


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 26, 2009, 10:40:44 AM
Good Morning Monkeys

After a morning of teaming rain ...yesterday afternoon an unexpected snow storm hit from the Fraser Valley.  The temperatures dipped to below freezing overnight.  The roads are a sheet of ice this morning ... many schools are closed ....

Winter is not over.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet
7:30 PM PT

Good morning. 

It's dismal here, today, too.  Maybe not as much precipitation as you have had, but typically winter-ish.  DH & I will be leaving with our group of family & friends for Cancun this Saturday for a week in the warm climate.  I will be going through withdrawal from SM & the daily contributions here for Natalee's cause. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 26, 2009, 10:46:28 AM
Yes it definitely is one and the same Tim Trahan from My research and from KTF's Article that did the the Dive on the trap...IMHO...As far as a match with a name from the PO Box I can not definitely say there is a match between Tim Trahan and one of the box holders.....I'm still looking to make a definitive match.... ::MonkeyEek:: 



 TRAHAN, TIMOTHY MATTHEW (Age 51)
 
 Associated names:
 
TRAHAN, TIM 
TRAHAN, TIMOTHY DALE 2900 Rolido Dr #164-3, HOUSTON, TX 77063
8954 Green Ray Dr , HOUSTON, TX 77095
3045 Marina Bay Dr #1112, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
260 PO Box, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
504 Nemento Ave , LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
3045 Marina Bay Dr #9201, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
3045 Marina Bay Dr , LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
2951 Marina Bay Dr #130-26, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
3045 Marina Bay Dr #3210, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
3045 Marina Bay Dr #8207, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
8811 Kirkmont Dr , HOUSTON, TX 77089
3045 Marina Bay Dr #11202, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
5602 Highway 26, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
2900 Rolido Dr , HOUSTON, TX 77063
2900 Rolido Dr #164, HOUSTON, TX 77063
11111 Pleasant Colony Dr #738, HOUSTON, TX 77065
249 PO Box, FRANKLIN, TX 77856
Fannie Bass Srd, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
5602 Hwy 26, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
600 PO Box, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549 03/01/1957 
Possible Relatives:
 
TRAHAN, DALE
TRAHAN, TIMOTHY M
TRAHAN, TIMOTHY D
HAN, KYU
TRAHAN, TIMOTHY MATTHEW (Age 62)
TRAHAN, LINDA CAROL (Age 46)
TRAHAN, MELISSA F (Age 38)
TRAHAN, ROBERT DALE (Age 63)
TRAHAN, TROY DAIVD (Age 40)
 
Possible Roommates / Associates:
 
SANDERS, LAURIE A (Age 43)
EBERT, CANDACE R (Age 28)
ROGERS, CATHERINA F (Age 35)
HOOVER, LOGAN P (Age 30)
JEANE, JENNIFER KATHLEEN (Age 45)
BOLTON, PAUL DANIEL (Age 40)






.  TRAHAN, TIMOTHY D

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 TRAHAN FINANCIAL Portfolio Managers  2951 Marina Bay Dr  #130-26, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
2700 Post Oak Blvd  #1350, HOUSTON, TX 77056   


U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C.
Litigation Release No. 17213 / October 31, 2001
Securities and Exchange Commission v. William A. Rothrock, IV et al., Civil Action No. H013732 (MH) (S.D. Tex.)

FORMER SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AT USA WASTE SERVICES, INC. AND NINE OTHERS SETTLE INSIDER TRADING CHARGES BY AGREEING TO BE ENJOINED AND TO PAY MORE THAN $2.5 MILLION IN DISGORGEMENTS, INTEREST AND PENALTIES

The Securities and Exchange Commission today filed a complaint in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Texas (Houston Division) alleging that (1) ten individuals --William A Rothrock, IV, W. Gregory Orr, Logan L. Nichols, Glenn A. Oakes, Clarence L. Miller, Stephen P. Gauthier, Richard M. Miller, Darrell L. Goodreau, Matthew E. Miller, and Timothy D. Trahan -- engaged in unlawful insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's acquisition of American Waste Services, Inc. in February, 1998, and (2), five weeks later, Rothrock and seven of the individuals engaged in illegal insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's merger with Waste Management, Inc. in March, 1998.

The Complaint alleges that Rothrock learned of USA Waste's plan to acquire American Waste in his capacity as Senior Vice President of Business Development at USA Waste and breached his duty by tipping Orr, Nichols and Oakes in advance of the public announcement of the acquisition on February 6, 1998. Based on these tips, Orr, Nichols and Oakes each purchased American Waste stock. Shortly thereafter, Nichols tipped his friends Clarence L. Miller, Stephen Gauthier, Richard M. Miller and Robert "Dale" Trahan ("Dale Trahan") (now deceased), each of whom also purchased American Waste stock. Richard Miller then tipped his son, Matthew E. Miller and his friend Goodreau, both of whom traded. Dale Trahan tipped his son Timothy D. Trahan, who also traded. Between February 5 and 6, the trader defendants and Dale Trahan purchased, in the aggregate, 322,500 shares of American Waste stock, which they later sold for combined profits of $567,634.75.
 

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17213.htm



Edited to add...link for... H2O Tours which shows that the Post Oak address in Houston Tx ties in with the above

http://www.h2otours.net/contact.htm#phone

Your research has gotten farther than mine had.  I remember finding Timothy Matthew a while back.  There are two in your findings, one age 51 & one 62.  I thought I'd found one that I thought might be a son, but with the name being common, I abandoned it. 

Thanks, Hotping.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 10:53:57 AM
Good Morning Monkeys

After a morning of teaming rain ...yesterday afternoon an unexpected snow storm hit from the Fraser Valley.  The temperatures dipped to below freezing overnight.  The roads are a sheet of ice this morning ... many schools are closed ....

Winter is not over.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet
7:30 PM PT

Good morning. 

It's dismal here, today, too.  Maybe not as much precipitation as you have had, but typically winter-ish.  DH & I will be leaving with our group of family & friends for Cancun this Saturday for a week in the warm climate.  I will be going through withdrawal from SM & the daily contributions here for Natalee's cause. 

2NJSons_Mom ... I am so jealous.

Eldest son, DIL and grandson are returning on Sunday from a two week vacation in Cancun with DIL's family.  Only a couple of phone calls but ... the impression I got ... they are far from homesick.

Have a great time!!

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 26, 2009, 10:57:56 AM


http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/a71/5ab

Hotping -

The link above is Trahan's link-in profile - lists him as owner of Trahan Financial and part-owner of H2O Tours.  The picture, however, looks to me much younger than the picture we have from Blonde's thread of Tim Trahan on the Persistence.  (It's a small pic tho, and even with my specs I still cannot see it well.)

Anyway - if you've linked the PO Box to Trahan Financial, then I think that's either our seemingly incompetent diver or his son.  Or his son is the seemingly incompetent diver.  Idk.

Hope this helps...



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 26, 2009, 11:02:48 AM


http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/a71/5ab

Hotping -

The link above is Trahan's link-in profile - lists him as owner of Trahan Financial and part-owner of H2O Tours.  The picture, however, looks to me much younger than the picture we have from Blonde's thread of Tim Trahan on the Persistence.  (It's a small pic tho, and even with my specs I still cannot see it well.)

Anyway - if you've linked the PO Box to Trahan Financial, then I think that's either our seemingly incompetent diver or his son.  Or his son is the seemingly incompetent diver.  Idk.

Hope this helps...




And the one that offers "portfolio management" as well? 

Just imagine that!




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 11:09:50 AM
Thank you Lovesong and Hotping for all your hard work!

When all is said and done ... the FBI should be questioning Kyle Kingman, Tim Trahan, John Silvetti and Louis Schaefer in regards to a possible abetting of those involved in an Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for an American citizen since May 30, 2005.

Janet






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 26, 2009, 11:11:44 AM

http://www.womag1.com/Photos/albums/userpics/10001/LWC_18_Ohip.pdf


94 kg
Jonathan N. Harris 1982 93.34 147 166 313
Paul W. Doherty 1982 90.45 132 161 293
Jamie W. Mason 1979 92.23 125 165 290
John Paul (JP) Nicoletta 1976 93.31 123 160 283
Rob Kippel 1983 93.87 115 150 265
Loren E. Reedhead 1976 92.59 119 136 255
Joel Quintong 1979 91.94 110 142 252
Christopher D. Oakley 1985 93.92 105 140 245
Manuel I. Morales-Ortiz 1974 92.32 106 136 242
Chris M. Dariotis 1949 92.32 93 130 223
James D. Michalec 1989 87.97 85 110 195
Tim Trahan 1965 93.98 85 110 195
Donny R. Rowe 1977 91.58 70 95 165
Stuart R. Converse 1992 90.84 66 80 146
John R. Wright 1983 89.06 90 -- --


Did a search on Tim Trahan Olympic Weightlifting - above was one of the hits.  Looks like the Tim Trahan from the linked-in profile/owner of Trahan Financial was born in 1965.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 26, 2009, 11:13:43 AM


http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/a71/5ab

Hotping -

The link above is Trahan's link-in profile - lists him as owner of Trahan Financial and part-owner of H2O Tours.  The picture, however, looks to me much younger than the picture we have from Blonde's thread of Tim Trahan on the Persistence.  (It's a small pic tho, and even with my specs I still cannot see it well.)

Anyway - if you've linked the PO Box to Trahan Financial, then I think that's either our seemingly incompetent diver or his son.  Or his son is the seemingly incompetent diver.  Idk.

Hope this helps...


Here is the Voters registration for Tim Trahan it shows that He is about 43 yrs old.... No I have not found a link to Trahan and the PO Box....


Last Name
TRAHAN First Name
TIMOTHY Middle Name
D Suffix
 
Gender
M Date of Birth
Oct 6 1965 County
Galveston Precinct
452
VUID
1034010887 Perm. House Number
3045 Perm. Designator
 Perm. Directional Prefix
 
Perm. Street Name
MARINA BAY Perm. Street Type
DR Perm. Directional Suffix
 Perm. Unit Number
11202
Perm. Unit Type
UNIT Perm. City
LEAGUE CITY Perm. ZIP Code
77573 Mailing Address 1
3045 MARINA BAY DR UNIT 11202
Mailing Address 2
 Mailing City
LEAGUE CITY Mailing State
TX Mailing ZIP Code
77573
EDR
Dec 17 2005 Suspense Status
 Spanish Surname Flag
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on February 26, 2009, 11:14:36 AM


http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/a71/5ab

Hotping -

The link above is Trahan's link-in profile - lists him as owner of Trahan Financial and part-owner of H2O Tours.  The picture, however, looks to me much younger than the picture we have from Blonde's thread of Tim Trahan on the Persistence.  (It's a small pic tho, and even with my specs I still cannot see it well.)

Anyway - if you've linked the PO Box to Trahan Financial, then I think that's either our seemingly incompetent diver or his son.  Or his son is the seemingly incompetent diver.  Idk.

Hope this helps...




And the one that offers "portfolio management" as well? 

Just imagine that!




I found the linkedin profile yesterday and pondered for a  moment, if I should 'connect' with him.......I think not.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

This onion increasingly looks like a larger and larger plate of worms, doesn't it?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 26, 2009, 11:31:04 AM


It is confusing though, because under Specialties and under Interests both on the Linked-In he has "Underwater Expeditions" and "scuba diving".    :smt102


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 26, 2009, 11:31:36 AM
So Monkey's.Have we been able to confirm or deny,if in fact,the Tim Trahan from the Persistence,is the one from the Securities and Exchange Article???TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 26, 2009, 11:37:16 AM
Janet.We've got snow down here! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 26, 2009, 11:44:54 AM
So Monkey's.Have we been able to confirm or deny,if in fact,the Tim Trahan from the Persistence,is the one from the Securities and Exchange Article???TIA
Good Morning KTF.....Yes it is the one and the same Tim Trahan IMO... see My post 197 pg 10 this thread... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on February 26, 2009, 11:46:35 AM


It is confusing though, because under Specialties and under Interests both on the Linked-In he has "Underwater Expeditions" and "scuba diving".    :smt102

I just looked at that again, you have a good eye for detail as you're proving daily, for I had missed that. The only way to view the full profile is to 'connect', maybe our brave KTF will do it?  ::MonkeyWink::

KTF - Janet loves to spread that snow around, caring is sharing  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 26, 2009, 11:50:15 AM
Headed to the store.Will return shortly.O Lord'.Snow is coming down fairly good.. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 12:01:29 PM
Janet.We've got snow down here! ::MonkeyNoNo::

I do believe it came from your direction and ... covered the entire Fraser Valley, Lower Mainland and Vancouver Island.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

All you fault Keepthefaith.

However ... on the positive side ... looking out from inside a warm and safe place ... the scene from our living room window is breathtaking.  The sky is clear and ... the sun shining through the snow covered branches of the trees ...

As openings of schools were delayed a couple of hours to allow icy roads to clear ... youngest son (teacher) came over to clear our huge driveway but ... his father had beat him to it.  The job was almost finished when he arrived.  So ... I made him a breakfast and ... had a 40 minute one on one with this guy.  It does not happen often.

Have a good day.

Janet





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 12:03:49 PM
Headed to the store.Will return shortly.O Lord'.Snow is coming down fairly good.. ::MonkeyConfused::

I hope that stuff is not headed north.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 12:06:06 PM
Back to my very own little hidey hole which I will crawl out of every once in a while to lurk ... to make sure I do not miss anything.  I am soooo nosey.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Later Monkeys

Janet
9:00 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 26, 2009, 12:10:45 PM
Guess no one wants to hear about my balmy 70 degrees today?  Don't worry, won't be long before it will turn to bake-your-brains summer heat.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 26, 2009, 12:12:00 PM
(http://i40.tinypic.com/sqo1mo.jpg)
Homeland Security USA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mcad95Rdv6A

Patrick van der Eem denied access to the USA last year.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 26, 2009, 12:15:54 PM
So Monkey's.Have we been able to confirm or deny,if in fact,the Tim Trahan from the Persistence,is the one from the Securities and Exchange Article???TIA
Good Morning KTF.....Yes it is the one and the same Tim Trahan IMO... see My post 197 pg 10 this thread... ::MonkeyWink::

If it's the same one!WOW!We now have 1 person who's admitted to securities fraud/insider trading and the second one is under investigated by the SEC for?? ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 26, 2009, 12:23:58 PM
Guess no one wants to hear about my balmy 70 degrees today?  Don't worry, won't be long before it will turn to bake-your-brains summer heat.



I just heard the weather man say SNOW....not flurries... Saturday night and Sunday for Alabama.

That is wintertime down South!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 12:32:22 PM
Does anybody know if Tim Trahan was one of the divers on the December 29th dive.  The ROV images from this dive convinced Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller that Natalee Holloway's remains had been located.

Thank you.

Janet


_______ 


KYLE KINGSMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS.

Kyle:
The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing. I don't know what was sampled far inside the trap if anything.

Kyle: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.  John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 12:42:22 PM
Guess no one wants to hear about my balmy 70 degrees today?  Don't worry, won't be long before it will turn to bake-your-brains summer heat.



I just heard the weather man say SNOW....not flurries... Saturday night and Sunday for Alabama.

That is wintertime down South!

The weather patterns are crazy!!

Our friends' son and family are visiting from Australia and ... what he had to say shocked me.  The water level in the reservoir in the area that they reside has gone down so substantially in the past ten years that ... all water that is used for cooking, drinking and bathing must be recycled (grey water).  Those watering lawns, gardens, vehicles, etc. with water from the tap are subject to a fine.  A plant is almost finished that will take the salt out of sea water.  Within two years ... it will be this water that will flow from the taps.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 26, 2009, 12:55:47 PM
Recent LEGACY OFFSHORE LLC Shipments
(Complete data available for registered users)
Example Shipment No. 1 Example Shipment No. 2 Example Shipment No. 3 OCEAN BILL OF LADING

ImportGenius
BILL OF LADING
COPY
NON-NEGOTIABLE
BILL OF LADING NO.
SGULLILYJA111981 SHIPPER
GULMAR FALCON
GULF OF MEXICO INTERNATIONAL WATERS CONSIGNEE
LEGACY OFFSHORE LLC.
1042 PETROLEUM PARKWAY PO BOX 1470LA 70518 NOTIFY PARTY
LEGACY OFFSHORE LLC
1042 PETROLEUM PARKWAY PO BOX 1470LA 70518 VOYAGE NO.
00167 VESSEL NAMEARRIVAL DATE
2008-11-19 PORT OF LOADING
Gulf of Mexico PORT OF DISCHARGE
Morgan City, Louisiana Particulars (1)
CONTAINER NO.  QTY.  DECLARATION OF GOODS (2)  CARGO WEIGHT  DIMENSIONS 
NC  2 PCS  TANKS  100000 LB 

(NOTES)
(1) As declared by Shipper and not acknowledged by Carrier
(2) Said to containSIGNED BY/ON BEHALF OF CARRIER 3
 View Additional Legacy Import Activity


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 26, 2009, 12:56:44 PM
Recent LEGACY OFFSHORE LLC Shipments
(Complete data available for registered users)
Example Shipment No. 1 Example Shipment No. 2 Example Shipment No. 3 OCEAN BILL OF LADING

ImportGenius
BILL OF LADING
COPY
NON-NEGOTIABLE
BILL OF LADING NO.
SGULLILYJA111981 SHIPPER
GULMAR FALCON
GULF OF MEXICO INTERNATIONAL WATERS CONSIGNEE
LEGACY OFFSHORE LLC.
1042 PETROLEUM PARKWAY PO BOX 1470LA 70518 NOTIFY PARTY
LEGACY OFFSHORE LLC
1042 PETROLEUM PARKWAY PO BOX 1470LA 70518 VOYAGE NO.
00167 VESSEL NAMEARRIVAL DATE
2008-11-19 PORT OF LOADING
Gulf of Mexico PORT OF DISCHARGE
Morgan City, Louisiana Particulars (1)
CONTAINER NO.  QTY.  DECLARATION OF GOODS (2)  CARGO WEIGHT  DIMENSIONS 
NC  2 PCS  TANKS  100000 LB 

(NOTES)
(1) As declared by Shipper and not acknowledged by Carrier
(2) Said to containSIGNED BY/ON BEHALF OF CARRIER 3
 View Additional Legacy Import Activity

http://www.importgenius.com/importers/legacy-offshore-llc.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 26, 2009, 12:58:39 PM
GULF DIVER V LEGACY OFFSHORE LLC * * HALTER MARINE FABRICATORS 1974 Offshore Supply Vessel 214.00 165.40

http://www.boatinfoworld.com/boat/registrations/broussard-la-louisiana.asp


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 26, 2009, 01:09:42 PM
This may be a repeat...article lists equipment sold to Legacy by Superior Offshore:

Superior Offshore International sells PSV, offers DSVFiled from Houston
4/15/2008 6:11:54 PM GMT

 
USA/GULF OF MEXICO: Financially troubled Superior Offshore International has closed the sale of platform support vessel (PSV) Gulf Diver V and selected onboard diving equipment to Legacy Offshore for US$4 million. Under the purchase agreement, Superior Offshore has the option to repurchase the vessel and equipment for the same price on Oct. 1, 2008. Legacy Offshore provided a deposit of US$1.8 million in late March, which Superior Offshore used to make a scheduled payment on the charter of the diving support vessel (DSV) Gulmar Condor, which Superior Offshore would not have been able to make without the deposit.



Equipment sold as part of the deal include four dive hoses, two dive ladders, three gas radios, two dive bells, one electric welder, and one generator. Gulf Diver V weighs 900 tons and is 180 feet (54.86 m) long.



The company is also amending its credit facility with JPMorgan Chase Bank, with the commitments of the lenders terminating and the principal of all loans and unpaid interest becoming due and payable on May 8, 2008. Superior Offshore has agreed to sell a Kobelco CK 1600-2 crane located at the company's fabrication facility in Amelia, Louisiana, and the 168-foot by 38-foot (51 m by 11.5 m) DSV Gulf Diver IV. Proceeds from these sales will be used for the prepayment of obligations under the credit agreement.

http://www.energycurrent.com/index.php?id=4&storyid=9981


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 26, 2009, 01:13:10 PM
It looks, from all the links we have seen, that Tim Trahan is far more connected
to Louis Schaefer than to John Silvetti.  He goes along with Schaefer on nearly
all of his projects...including the charter fishing and bed & breakfast.
If someone engages the services of Schaefer, that someone is going to get
Tim Trahan in some capacity.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 01:20:22 PM
It looks, from all the links we have seen, that Tim Trahan is far more connected
to Louis Schaefer than to John Silvetti.  He goes along with Schaefer on nearly
all of his projects...including the charter fishing and bed & breakfast.
If someone engages the services of Schaefer, that someone is going to get
Tim Trahan in some capacity.

Magnolia ... you have that figured right.  In his own words ... Kyle Kingman states that Tim Trahan is his avenue to a meeting with Louis Schaefer.

Janet

++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
She [BETH] needs to know exactly what we found in the proper timing. The way to do that would be through Tim Trahan and I. I can arrange any meeting with him. He represents the owner and the rights to the data, in this case, Louis S. I have everything but I don't want to go around him for chain of custody reasons, professional courtesy, and friendship.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 26, 2009, 01:47:41 PM
Jamie StovallJTS Consulting  

Houston, Texas Area
Contact Directly
Get introduced through a connection

Current Sales & Marketing at JTS Consulting
Past Sales & Marketing Consultant at Legacy Offshore, LLC  
Operations Consultant at Underwater Expeditions  
Education University of Maryland University College
Recommended  1 person has recommended Jamie Connections  3 connections Industry Marketing and Advertising
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jamie Stovall’s Summary
Sales - Contracts & Campaigns - Legacy offshore, Underwater Expedition, SPX, Matco, MAC, Bear, Allen, ALLDATA, R.O. Writer, Auto Sticker, Legacy Offshore, Underwater Exdpeditions, Systech International, and Central Hotel.

Marketing Projects - Legacy Offshore, Underwater Expedition, Act Now, The Barbi-Shop, and High-Tech Collision.

Media - Addi-Tech commercial

Jamie Stovall’s Specialties:
Sales, Web, Media, Brochures, Processes, Operations, Mergers and Aquisitions, and Start Ups.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jamie Stovall’s Experience
Sales & Marketing
JTS Consulting
(Management Consulting industry)

November 2007 — Present (1 year 4 months)

We specialize in taking new products or services to market as well as business aquisitions. JTS Consulting can help from marketing campaigns, sales, media, advertising, or operations. We will evaluate and attack any project assigned.

Sales & Marketing Consultant
Legacy Offshore, LLC
(Oil & Energy industry)

November 2007 — August 2008 (10 months)  

Director of Marketing for this start up offshore diving and service company. Established new company position and image across energy market as well as establish marketing goals and processes. Sales support through media support and published support materials, as well as processes for reporting and database coverage.

Operations Consultant
Underwater Expeditions
(Maritime industry)

November 2006 — February 2007 (4 months)  

Lead this aquistition and setup of this deepsea fishing and recreational dive company. Established all processes and procedures for business operations. Hired staff, captains, 1st mates, and deckhands. Trained personel in procedures, sales, and customer relations. Created media, interactive web-site, as well as marketing materials.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 02:07:45 PM
Jamie StovallJTS Consulting  

Houston, Texas Area
Contact Directly
Get introduced through a connection

Current Sales & Marketing at JTS Consulting
Past Sales & Marketing Consultant at Legacy Offshore, LLC  
Operations Consultant at Underwater Expeditions  
Education University of Maryland University College
Recommended  1 person has recommended Jamie Connections  3 connections Industry Marketing and Advertising
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jamie Stovall’s Summary
Sales - Contracts & Campaigns - Legacy offshore, Underwater Expedition, SPX, Matco, MAC, Bear, Allen, ALLDATA, R.O. Writer, Auto Sticker, Legacy Offshore, Underwater Exdpeditions, Systech International, and Central Hotel.

Marketing Projects - Legacy Offshore, Underwater Expedition, Act Now, The Barbi-Shop, and High-Tech Collision.

Media - Addi-Tech commercial

Jamie Stovall’s Specialties:
Sales, Web, Media, Brochures, Processes, Operations, Mergers and Aquisitions, and Start Ups.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jamie Stovall’s Experience
Sales & Marketing
JTS Consulting
(Management Consulting industry)

November 2007 — Present (1 year 4 months)

We specialize in taking new products or services to market as well as business aquisitions. JTS Consulting can help from marketing campaigns, sales, media, advertising, or operations. We will evaluate and attack any project assigned.

Sales & Marketing Consultant
Legacy Offshore, LLC
(Oil & Energy industry)

November 2007 — August 2008 (10 months)  

Director of Marketing for this start up offshore diving and service company. Established new company position and image across energy market as well as establish marketing goals and processes. Sales support through media support and published support materials, as well as processes for reporting and database coverage.

Operations Consultant
Underwater Expeditions
(Maritime industry)

November 2006 — February 2007 (4 months)  

Lead this aquistition and setup of this deepsea fishing and recreational dive company. Established all processes and procedures for business operations. Hired staff, captains, 1st mates, and deckhands. Trained personel in procedures, sales, and customer relations. Created media, interactive web-site, as well as marketing materials.



Keepthefaith

I would appreciate knowing what is the foundation that caused you to post the above research on Jamie Stovall?  The Jamie Stovall issue seemed to appear out of the blue.

"Hinky" is the word that comes to mind.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 02:15:37 PM
I thought Jamie Stovall was connected in an executive capacity to the operation of Underwater Expeditions,

I begin to think that I am comprehending some of this research encompassing John Silvetti, Louis Schaefer and Tim Trahan and ... then I get confused all over again.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 26, 2009, 02:18:45 PM
I thought Jamie Stovall was connected in an executive capacity to the operation of Underwater Expeditions,

I begin to think that I am comprehending some of this research encompassing John Silvetti, Louis Schaefer and Tim Trahan and ... then I get confused all over again.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet



I'm trying to figure this out just like you Janet!How long did it take for Schaefer to Bankrupt Underwater and then you bring Stovall over to Legacy Offshore??One would think confusing people is the objective for these people.Is it not?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 26, 2009, 02:29:46 PM
off-topic
Quote
4 Americans among 9 killed in Amsterdam jet crash
(http://i.usatoday.net/news/_photos/2009/02/25/crashtopper.jpg)
By Alan Levin, USA TODAY

The head of the agency investigating the Turkish Airlines plane crash said Thursday that engine trouble may be a factor in the crash that killed 9 people in the Netherlands. A Dutch mayor said 5 Turks and 4 Americans were killed.

Pieter van Vollenhoven said in remarks cited by Dutch state television NOS that the plane had fallen almost directly from the sky, which pointed toward the plane's motors having stalled.

He said a reason for that had not yet been established.

Spokeswoman Sandra Groenendal of the Dutch Safety Authority confirmed that NOS reported Vollenhoven's remarks accurately.

A jet slammed into a field and broke apart shortly before attempting to land in Amsterdam on Wednesday, the latest in an unusual spate of major crashes in the USA and Europe in recent months.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-02-25-amsterdam-planecrash_N.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 26, 2009, 02:31:05 PM

I have Trahan with Schaefer in Underwater Expeditions  (this includes the purchase and bankruptcy of Captain Elliott's), but I don't have him with Superior or Legacy.  Are there other ways Trahan is tied to Schaefer?

I mean, you know...other than their affinity for the market?







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 26, 2009, 02:33:54 PM

I have Trahan with Schaefer in Underwater Expeditions  (this includes the purchase and bankruptcy of Captain Elliott's), but I don't have him with Superior or Legacy.  Are there other ways Trahan is tied to Schaefer?

I mean, you know...other than their affinity for the market?


So do you have this bankruptcy in the timeline LifeSong?When he took it over to the bankruptcy?







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2009, 02:34:55 PM
Guess no one wants to hear about my balmy 70 degrees today?  Don't worry, won't be long before it will turn to bake-your-brains summer heat.



I just heard the weather man say SNOW....not flurries... Saturday night and Sunday for Alabama.

That is wintertime down South!

Good afternoon Monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

I woke up to a balmy near 70 degree morning...high today 80's, back to at or near freezing temps by Sunday morning is the forecast.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Texas weather is always this way....crazy! 
 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 26, 2009, 02:39:31 PM

I have Trahan with Schaefer in Underwater Expeditions  (this includes the purchase and bankruptcy of Captain Elliott's), but I don't have him with Superior or Legacy.  Are there other ways Trahan is tied to Schaefer?

I mean, you know...other than their affinity for the market?



So do you have this bankruptcy in the timeline LifeSong?When he took it over to the bankruptcy?Confused here.Is underwater expeditions still viable?They no longer have a website to my knowledge?Anyone?TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 02:59:52 PM
I thought Jamie Stovall was connected in an executive capacity to the operation of Underwater Expeditions,

I begin to think that I am comprehending some of this research encompassing John Silvetti, Louis Schaefer and Tim Trahan and ... then I get confused all over again.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet



I'm trying to figure this out just like you Janet!How long did it take for Schaefer to Bankrupt Underwater and then you bring Stovall over to Legacy Offshore??One would think confusing people is the objective for these people.Is it not?

Keepthefaith ... I cannot comprehend how all this great research has any direct connection to the furthering of the Aruban coverup by John Silvetti unless the "incentive" to betray Natalee Holloway's family can be identified.

I contend that a furthering of the Aruban coverup which has prevented justice from prevailing for an American citizen was planned in a meeting on board the Persistence a short time prior to the December 30th dive..

The Persistence undertaking may have been deceptively two fold but ... I believe that John Silvetti's initial intentions were honorable in regards to providing closure to Natalee Holloway's family if remains were discovered on the ocean floor.

I suspect that after the Arubans were made aware of the ROV images of December 29, 2007 ... the ROV images that Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller were so sure revealed a trap/cage that contained contents which were case related ... immediate damage control was where it was at.

I believe that the ultimate betrayal was planned only a short time prior to the second dive on December 30, 2007 ... at the meeting on board the Persistence between the Arubans, John Silvetti and ?.  At that meeting justice for Natalee Holloway and ... closurer for her family took a back seat and ... for an incentive ... John Silvetti became a participant in "the finale to the great Aruban coverup".  IMO.

Considering Tim Trahan dove with the Aruban dive team on December 30, 2007 ... I contend that this American also became a player in the betrayal.  In otherwords ... the "thumbs down" was a given.  IMO.

If the truth was were it was at ... it makes sense thatTim Trahan would let the Skate pass ... wait a minute for the silt to settle and ... observe as well as take photos of the contents.  Instead ... according to Kyle Kingman ... it the Aruban divers who remained and reported that the trap/cage contained nothing case related.

IMO

Anyways ... I have made the decision to go into lurking mode and ... just observed where all this is headed.  I sincerely want to understand ... especially when I consider the committment on this forum to the the topic.

Janet

_____


Tim Miller
On the Record w/ Greta
February 27, 2008


MILLER: The report we got is the DNA that came back did not match Natalee's DNA and when we located that it looked like more than just a piece of cloth and I mean we, we felt as though we seen a skull in there. We got the Aruba authorities involved, they felt there was something in there, we dove on it and the thing is that's only 1 of over 170 targets out there we still have to investigate, so we've got a lot of work ahead of us.


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle: I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment.

Kyle: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.  John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me

Kyle: Mr. Red shirt came on the Persistence along with Dolf, Mos, et al for the meeting on the 30th."

Kyle:   This is certainly NOT John Silvetti. I do not know this man. He was with the Arubans who came on board for the Dec-30th meeting.


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #743 on: March 18, 2008, 04:30:41 PM »


It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers.  It was a royal mess.  I took a lot of heat for telling Tim Miller anything about the trap that may have prompted him to making the calls to the family.  In my defence, I specifically told Tim not to tell anyone about the trap until the contents are analysed.  He couldn't wait.  He was very emotional, hopeful, and confident.  It was a crushing time for all. Most of all- for Tim Miller, Dave, and Beth.  This was Dec 30th.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366324#msg366324



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 26, 2009, 03:14:32 PM

 KTF - I have Trahan with Schaefer in Underwater Expeditions  (this includes the purchase and bankruptcy of Captain Elliott's), but I don't have him with Superior or Legacy.  Are there other ways Trahan is tied to Schaefer?

I mean, you know...other than their affinity for the market?



So do you have this bankruptcy in the timeline LifeSong?When he took it over to the bankruptcy?Confused here.Is underwater expeditions still viable?They no longer have a website to my knowledge?Anyone?TIA

I do not have a bankruptcy of UE.  I read somewhere that Trahan was fired, I think it said last July.  UE bought and bankrupted Captain Elliotts.  It's a little sketchy, but seems they bought it in January 2006 according to the article (in the 'to be added' file). I'm missing the reference to it bankrupting though I do know its been posted. 

Keep in mind, I have about 40 copy/paste pages of stuff to add and not a great handle on what all I'll find in there, though I did scan it for UE and Captain Elliotts.

For today, a refesher on the 11/07 re-arrests and the Range Rover confessions are where its at for me!   ::MonkeyCool::







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: AZLady on February 26, 2009, 03:18:39 PM
Janet, I see the answer in Private Eye's own post which you posted a few pages back:

private eye
 Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »

... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that  regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.
We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750

I've bolded the key statement above.  I believe, and have since the beginning of this coverup was obvious, that it can be traced to Rudy Croes


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: AZLady on February 26, 2009, 03:20:18 PM
If we can find the links between Rudy Croes, Silvetti, and Schaeffer, we will have the answer.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 26, 2009, 03:25:29 PM
Wow Janet.Really don't know what to tell you in regards to the last post!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 26, 2009, 03:40:01 PM
Wow Janet.Really don't know what to tell you in regards to the last post!

Keepthefaith ... I cannot comprehend how all this great research has any direct connection to the furthering of the Aruban coverup by John Silvetti unless the "incentive"  to betray Natalee Holloway's family can be identified.


Isn't that what many Monkey's are trying to do?Identify the incentive?If i'm not doing that,Monkey's,please feel free to redirect me in the proper direction.The only incentive for me is Justice for Natalee Holloway! ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 03:41:17 PM
Wow Janet.Really don't know what to tell you in regards to the last post!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Keepthefaith .. I did not expect a response.  The bottom line is that I am slow at comprehending the purpose of all this research.  The learning process for me has always dictated baby steps.  Too much info at once is too distracting.

Hey ... I will continue to read Lovesong's timeline and ... in time a light will go off in my noggin and ... I will be one with you all.

Keep on keeping on.  I am not going anywhere.

Justice for Natalee Holloway!!

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 26, 2009, 03:41:33 PM
I thought Jamie Stovall was connected in an executive capacity to the operation of Underwater Expeditions,

I begin to think that I am comprehending some of this research encompassing John Silvetti, Louis Schaefer and Tim Trahan and ... then I get confused all over again.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet



I'm trying to figure this out just like you Janet!How long did it take for Schaefer to Bankrupt Underwater and then you bring Stovall over to Legacy Offshore??One would think confusing people is the objective for these people.Is it not?

Keepthefaith ... I cannot comprehend how all this great research has any direct connection to the furthering of the Aruban coverup by John Silvetti unless the "incentive" to betray Natalee Holloway's family can be identified.

I contend that a furthering of the Aruban coverup which has prevented justice from prevailing for an American citizen was planned in a meeting on board the Persistence a short time prior to the December 30th dive..

The Persistence undertaking may have been deceptively two fold but ... I believe that John Silvetti's initial intentions were honorable in regards to providing closure to Natalee Holloway's family if remains were discovered on the ocean floor.

I suspect that after the Arubans were made aware of the ROV images of December 29, 2007 ... the ROV images that Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller were so sure revealed a trap/cage that contained contents which were case related ... immediate damage control was where it was at.

I believe that the ultimate betrayal was planned only a short time prior to the second dive on December 30, 2007 ... at the meeting on board the Persistence between the Arubans, John Silvetti and ?.  At that meeting justice for Natalee Holloway and ... closurer for her family took a back seat and ... for an incentive ... John Silvetti became a participant in "the finale to the great Aruban coverup".  IMO.

Considering Tim Trahan dove with the Aruban dive team on December 30, 2007 ... I contend that this American also became a player in the betrayal.  In otherwords ... the "thumbs down" was a given.  IMO.

If the truth was were it was at ... it makes sense thatTim Trahan would let the Skate pass ... wait a minute for the silt to settle and ... observe as well as take photos of the contents.  Instead ... according to Kyle Kingman ... it the Aruban divers who remained and reported that the trap/cage contained nothing case related.

IMO

Anyways ... I have made the decision to go into lurking mode and ... just observed where all this is headed.  I sincerely want to understand ... especially when I consider the committment on this forum to the the topic.

Janet

_____


Tim Miller
On the Record w/ Greta
February 27, 2008


MILLER: The report we got is the DNA that came back did not match Natalee's DNA and when we located that it looked like more than just a piece of cloth and I mean we, we felt as though we seen a skull in there. We got the Aruba authorities involved, they felt there was something in there, we dove on it and the thing is that's only 1 of over 170 targets out there we still have to investigate, so we've got a lot of work ahead of us.


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle: I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment.

Kyle: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.  John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me

Kyle: Mr. Red shirt came on the Persistence along with Dolf, Mos, et al for the meeting on the 30th."

Kyle:   This is certainly NOT John Silvetti. I do not know this man. He was with the Arubans who came on board for the Dec-30th meeting.


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #743 on: March 18, 2008, 04:30:41 PM »


It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers.  It was a royal mess.  I took a lot of heat for telling Tim Miller anything about the trap that may have prompted him to making the calls to the family.  In my defence, I specifically told Tim not to tell anyone about the trap until the contents are analysed.  He couldn't wait.  He was very emotional, hopeful, and confident.  It was a crushing time for all. Most of all- for Tim Miller, Dave, and Beth.  This was Dec 30th.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366324#msg366324



I hear ya, Janet, I hear ya.

Here's what I'm after.  I want to apply pressure.  I want someone to crack.  I don't really care who it is.  Whether its in relation to Silvetti & the search or the ALE/Dutch coverup or Joran's crimes - I want somebody to step up to the plate in this investigation and be a freaking human being and tell the truth to this family.  The number of people with the ability to do this is astounding and seems to be growing and it is beyond understanding to me that none are  willing to do what's right.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 03:44:04 PM
If we can find the links between Rudy Croes, Silvetti, and Schaeffer, we will have the answer.

I agree.  What was agreed upon at that December 30, 2007 meeting prior to the thumbs down dive?  What was John Silvetti's incentive?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 26, 2009, 03:45:09 PM
I think that we have seen enough to know that these people are little
more than an underwater mafia.  They will do whatever necessary to
make a profit.

I think Natalee was never anything more to them than a way to a means.
They never expected they would find her or have to deal with the consequences
of what was in that cage.  The mission was never two fold as far as Natalee went.

From the look on Hans Mos face when he was on the Persistence and saw
the ROV footage, it is obvious that deals had to be struck.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 26, 2009, 03:54:11 PM
Well, without all this research, we wouldn't know about the SEC filings, insider tradings, bankruptcies and all the rest affiliated with those entrusted to search for Natalee's remains.

I remain shocked at the high level of documented impropriety on the part of some of the major characters involved in this search effort.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 03:59:22 PM
I think that we have seen enough to know that these people are little
more than an underwater mafia.  They will do whatever necessary to
make a profit.

I think Natalee was never anything more to them than a way to a means.
They never expected they would find her or have to deal with the consequences
of what was in that cage.  The mission was never two fold as far as Natalee went.

From the look on Hans Mos face when he was on the Persistence and saw
the ROV footage, it is obvious that deals had to be struck.

EXACTLY!!!

In other words ... John Silvetti's intentions in his two fold endeavor was map for oil as well as returned Natalee Holloway to her family ... her country ... if her remains were discover.

Magnolia ... the ROV images of December 29, 2007 revealed to Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller that those remains may have been discovered and ... Tim Miller notified the family.  It was then the Arubans under Rudy Croes instruction went into damage control.  A deal needed to be struck with John Silvetti prior to the December 29, 2007 Dateline dive.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 26, 2009, 04:00:00 PM
I didn't even know there was a Class Action Suit against this company, the main one conducting the search for Natalee.

While it is remotely possible for innocent parties to be the victim of one of those I suppose, I just have never heard of it happening.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 26, 2009, 04:02:15 PM
I think that we have seen enough to know that these people are little
more than an underwater mafia.  They will do whatever necessary to
make a profit.

I think Natalee was never anything more to them than a way to a means.
They never expected they would find her or have to deal with the consequences
of what was in that cage.  The mission was never two fold as far as Natalee went.

From the look on Hans Mos face when he was on the Persistence and saw
the ROV footage, it is obvious that deals had to be struck.

EXACTLY!!!

In other words ... John Silvetti's intentions in his two fold endeavor was map for oil as well as returned Natalee Holloway to her family ... her country ... if her remains were discover.

Magnolia ... the ROV images of December 29, 2007 revealed to Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller that those remains may have been discovered and ... Tim Miller notified the family.  It was then the Arubans under Rudy Croes instruction went into damage control.  A deal needed to be struck with John Silvetti prior to the December 29, 2007 Dateline dive.

Janet


Agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 04:05:08 PM
I want to make it perfectly clear that I am not undermining all the hard work that you all have put into researching this topic.  I am only say that it is "ME" that is confused/lost in regards to where all this is going ... how it is going to tie in.

In other words ... "MY" problem.

Hugs.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: ksl on February 26, 2009, 04:17:12 PM
Hi monkeys. Long time lurker... this is my first post. I've never had anything to add. I still don't, but I do have some questions. Do you think maybe there was no "vision" from the detective/brother? That always seemed weird. And if ALE and the crew became "partners".... why aren't the detective/brother found with hands in there pockets for causing this trouble? I'm wondering if maybe a deal was struck prior to arriving in Aruba. Or at least "we think we know where she's at. If you find her, we'll give you XXXXX". I think the cage was found VERY quick. One of the first targets looked at. It seems like someone knew they would find it.

Probably way off here, but I wanted to get some reactions to this.

Keep up the good work.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 26, 2009, 04:35:27 PM


11/21/07 - Re-arrests based on "new evidence" resulting from Dutch 'cold-case' investigators
11/30/07 - Persistence leaves Louisiana
12/01/07 - Kalpoes released, no charges, no new evidence
12/07/07 - Joran ordered released, no charges, no new evidence
12/15/07 - Persistence arrives late; was delayed by storm
12/20/07 - Caplocks registers
12/??/07 - "Shortly before Christmas" - ALE Detective/brother meet with Persistence crew
12/22/07 - Persistence crew builds a 'local material trap' to test the sensing equipment
12/25/07 - TRAP FOUND
12/29/07 - ROV dive
12/30/07 - Meeting on the Persistence
12/30/07 - Trahan dive (we've only seen the one done for the Dateline camera)
01/07/08 - TRAP CLEANED OUT BY ONLY ALE DIVERS
01/10/08 - 1st day of taping the Range Rover confessions w/Patrick


I'll stop there, but if it helps Janet - this is where I personally am trying to get to.  This was planned long before the 12/30 meeting on the Persistence.  This was the final clean up phase.  Clyde Burke told Silvetti where she was - with a brother or without.












Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 26, 2009, 04:41:34 PM
Guess no one wants to hear about my balmy 70 degrees today?  Don't worry, won't be long before it will turn to bake-your-brains summer heat.



I just heard the weather man say SNOW....not flurries... Saturday night and Sunday for Alabama.

That is wintertime down South!
It's 83 degrees curently in Dallas. ( A frigid 65 for the high tomorrow though!)  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 26, 2009, 04:42:17 PM
If we can find the links between Rudy Croes, Silvetti, and Schaeffer, we will have the answer.

just to help with search queries:

Rudy Croes = H. R. Croes = Hyacintho Rudolfo Croes
Hendrik Croes = H. S. Croes = Hendrik Seferino Croes


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 26, 2009, 04:54:13 PM
Hi monkeys. Long time lurker... this is my first post. I've never had anything to add. I still don't, but I do have some questions. Do you think maybe there was no "vision" from the detective/brother? That always seemed weird. And if ALE and the crew became "partners".... why aren't the detective/brother found with hands in there pockets for causing this trouble? I'm wondering if maybe a deal was struck prior to arriving in Aruba. Or at least "we think we know where she's at. If you find her, we'll give you XXXXX". I think the cage was found VERY quick. One of the first targets looked at. It seems like someone knew they would find it.

Probably way off here, but I wanted to get some reactions to this.

Keep up the good work.

I don't think anyone actually believes that the ALE detective's brother got a coordinate from a vision...

And you're right - it was very quick that they found the trap after getting the coordinate, which was right after they got to Aruba to begin the search.

It's all Hinky, imo.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 05:00:28 PM
Does anybody know if Tim Trahan was one of the divers on the December 29th dive.  The ROV images from this dive convinced Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller that Natalee Holloway's remains had been located.

Thank you.

Janet


_______ 


KYLE KINGSMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS.

Kyle:
The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing. I don't know what was sampled far inside the trap if anything.

Kyle: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.  John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me.


BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 26, 2009, 05:12:32 PM
Does anybody know if Tim Trahan was one of the divers on the December 29th dive.  The ROV images from this dive convinced Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller that Natalee Holloway's remains had been located.

Thank you.

Janet


_______ 


KYLE KINGSMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS.

Kyle:
The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing. I don't know what was sampled far inside the trap if anything.

Kyle: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.  John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me.


BUMPED

I don't know, Janet.  I always thought the 29th was the ROV-only dive.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 26, 2009, 05:22:17 PM
Correct - Dec 29th there were NO people in the water.

ROV only dive.

First time people dove was Dec 30th (according to Kyle).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 26, 2009, 05:24:43 PM
Hi monkeys. Long time lurker... this is my first post. I've never had anything to add. I still don't, but I do have some questions. Do you think maybe there was no "vision" from the detective/brother? That always seemed weird. And if ALE and the crew became "partners".... why aren't the detective/brother found with hands in there pockets for causing this trouble? I'm wondering if maybe a deal was struck prior to arriving in Aruba. Or at least "we think we know where she's at. If you find her, we'll give you XXXXX". I think the cage was found VERY quick. One of the first targets looked at. It seems like someone knew they would find it.

Probably way off here, but I wanted to get some reactions to this.

Keep up the good work.


kls,
Welcome to the cage!

I don't know the answers to your questions but have never personally believed any of that information came from any vision.

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 05:24:45 PM
Does anybody know if Tim Trahan was one of the divers on the December 29th dive.  The ROV images from this dive convinced Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller that Natalee Holloway's remains had been located.

Thank you.

Janet


_______ 


KYLE KINGSMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS.

Kyle:
The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing. I don't know what was sampled far inside the trap if anything.

Kyle: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.  John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me.


BUMPED

I don't know, Janet.  I always thought the 29th was the ROV-only dive.


Thank you for responding Lifesong.

According to Kyle Kingman's own words in the above quotes there was a dive on December 29, 2007 and another one on December 30, 2007 (Dateline).  Then there was a meeting on board the Persistence with the Arubans prior to December 30, 2007.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2009, 06:05:04 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/11232008OEResponsetodivedates-1.jpg)

I don't know if this helps but Kyle does say in this response to me that the dive on the 29th was the first "ROV" dive on the trap.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 26, 2009, 06:05:49 PM
Does anybody know if Tim Trahan was one of the divers on the December 29th dive.  The ROV images from this dive convinced Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller that Natalee Holloway's remains had been located.

Thank you.

Janet


_______ 


KYLE KINGSMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS.

Kyle:
The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing. I don't know what was sampled far inside the trap if anything.

Kyle: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.  John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me.


BUMPED

I don't know, Janet.  I always thought the 29th was the ROV-only dive.


Thank you for responding Lifesong.

According to Kyle Kingman's own words in the above quotes there was a dive on December 29, 2007 and another one on December 30, 2007 (Dateline).  Then there was a meeting on board the Persistence with the Arubans prior to December 30, 2007.

Janet

Janet, I do understand what you are saying.  Kyle mentions diver sampling then John's arranging the next dive on the 30th. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 06:12:19 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/11232008OEResponsetodivedates-1.jpg)

I don't know if this helps but Kyle does say in this response to me that the dive on the 29th was the first "ROV" dive on the trap.



Thank you texasmom

This quote of Kyle Kingman does imply that it was one an "ROV" dive on the December 29th.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 26, 2009, 06:19:14 PM

Here's the post of Kyle's that I have linked to 12/30/07...



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047#msg360047

oceanexploration
   Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 01:47:47 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047#msg360047) »
 

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There were three ROV dive videos of the trap.  Video 1 : 29th Dec - ROV visual inspection of the trap.  (very small clip of this video on Dateline).  Remember, the Dateline footage was taken over our shoulders by filming the ROV monitor.  The footage is not the recorded ROV footage.
Video 2: Dec 30th - ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap.  This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH.  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. I was shocked to see them posted.  I thought we had a security breach on the boat from my workstation or a leak from the FBI.  Turns out the FBI gave them to Dave H. after he couldn't get them from me.  After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them from me.  I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't.  Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them. 

What you all really didn't know (nor Tim Miller when he said his statements to the press, neither Dateline NBC when they broadcasted their lovely special):

Video 3:  Jan 7th - ROV monitoring diver tactile inspection of the trap with sampling of items inside and outside of trap.  The trap was not recovered.  Recovered samples sent for forensic analysis.  Neither Tim Miller nor the media were on board.

The trap in Video 1-3 was found from the first conducted ROV dive.  I found the target at 1:46 am on Christmas morning.  It was my #1 ranked priority target and therefore the first of the ROV dive series. 

Several hours of footage were of other dives on other targets.  None were of any relevance. Most targets were of peculiar coral pinnacles, man-made debris, and ship wrecks. 
 
 
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 06:27:01 PM
Does anybody know if Tim Trahan was one of the divers on the December 29th dive.  The ROV images from this dive convinced Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller that Natalee Holloway's remains had been located.

Thank you.

Janet


_______ 


KYLE KINGSMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS.

Kyle:
The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing. I don't know what was sampled far inside the trap if anything.

Kyle: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.  John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me.


BUMPED

I don't know, Janet.  I always thought the 29th was the ROV-only dive.


Thank you for responding Lifesong.

According to Kyle Kingman's own words in the above quotes there was a dive on December 29, 2007 and another one on December 30, 2007 (Dateline).  Then there was a meeting on board the Persistence with the Arubans prior to December 30, 2007.

Janet

Janet, I do understand what you are saying.  Kyle mentions diver sampling then John's arranging the next dive on the 30th. 

Thank you 2NJSons_Mom

When you consider Kyle Kingman's words in the quote below that texasmom provided ... it appears that it was only an ROV dive that took place on December 29th.  The sampling by the Aruban divers must have been done on December 30th ... the day that Dateline viewers were led to believe that there was nothing case related in the cage/trap ... the day that Tim Miller notified Natalee's parents that there was nothing case related in the cage/trap ... the day that Tim Trahan could not stay down long enough to let the silt settle from a passing skate prior to determining if there was anything case related in the cage/trap.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I am soooo angry.

Janet

++++++++


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #777 11/21/08 thru
« Reply #707 on: November 23, 2008, 03:31:18 PM »


I found the trap sonar target at 1:42 am on Christmas morning.  I was asked if I had any targets to investigate with the ROV on Dev 29th.  I did.  We then performed the 1st ROV dive and confirmed the sonar target was the trap.  This was the first ROV dive performed.  No other dives were performed prior to this.  I kept the sonar target list very confidential.  I didn't need people knowing about it and people on board knew well enough not even to ask.  When it was time to dive I have the target location. Until then, it was kept confidential.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.msg554268;topicseen#msg554268



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 26, 2009, 06:27:52 PM


11/21/07 - Re-arrests based on "new evidence" resulting from Dutch 'cold-case' investigators

11/29/07 - Lazlo @ RU posts:  "No one from the OM has claimed the new evidence was Joran talking to Kalpoes, but Joran talking to a friend. IMO"

11/30/07 - Persistence leaves Louisiana
12/01/07 - Kalpoes released, no charges, no new evidence
12/07/07 - Joran ordered released, no charges, no new evidence
12/15/07 - Persistence arrives late; was delayed by storm
12/20/07 - Caplocks registers
12/??/07 - "Shortly before Christmas" - ALE Detective/brother meet with Persistence crew
12/22/07 - Persistence crew builds a 'local material trap' to test the sensing equipment
12/25/07 - TRAP FOUND
12/29/07 - ROV dive
12/30/07 - Meeting on the Persistence
12/30/07 - Trahan dive (we've only seen the one done for the Dateline camera)
01/07/08 - TRAP CLEANED OUT BY ONLY ALE DIVERS
01/10/08 - 1st day of taping the Range Rover confessions w/Patrick

<snip>

Edit to add 11-29 hinkiness


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 06:29:29 PM

Janet, I do understand what you are saying.  Kyle mentions diver sampling then John's arranging the next dive on the 30th. 

Thank you 2NJSons_Mom

When you consider Kyle Kingman's words in the quote below that texasmom provided ... it appears that it was only an ROV dive that took place on December 29th.  The sampling by the Aruban divers must have been done on December 30th ... the day that Dateline viewers were led to believe that there was nothing case related in the cage/trap ... the day that Tim Miller notified Natalee's parents that there was nothing case related in the cage/trap ... the day that Tim Trahan could not stay down long enough to let the silt settle from a passing skate prior to determining if there was anything case related in the cage/trap.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I am soooo angry.

Janet

++++++++


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #777 11/21/08 thru
« Reply #707 on: November 23, 2008, 03:31:18 PM »


I found the trap sonar target at 1:42 am on Christmas morning.  I was asked if I had any targets to investigate with the ROV on Dev 29th.  I did.  We then performed the 1st ROV dive and confirmed the sonar target was the trap.  This was the first ROV dive performed.  No other dives were performed prior to this.  I kept the sonar target list very confidential.  I didn't need people knowing about it and people on board knew well enough not even to ask.  When it was time to dive I have the target location. Until then, it was kept confidential.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.msg554268;topicseen#msg554268




KYLE KINGSMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS.

Kyle:
The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing. I don't know what was sampled far inside the trap if anything.

Kyle: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.  John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 26, 2009, 06:35:27 PM
Janet,

In Lifesong's post above, OE's quoted post only mentions sampling on Video 3 on January 7, 2008.    ::MonkeyConfused::     ::MonkeyWaa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 06:35:31 PM


11/21/07 - Re-arrests based on "new evidence" resulting from Dutch 'cold-case' investigators

11/29/07 - Lazlo @ RU posts:  "No one from the OM has claimed the new evidence was Joran talking to Kalpoes, but Joran talking to a friend. IMO"

11/30/07 - Persistence leaves Louisiana
12/01/07 - Kalpoes released, no charges, no new evidence
12/07/07 - Joran ordered released, no charges, no new evidence
12/15/07 - Persistence arrives late; was delayed by storm
12/20/07 - Caplocks registers
12/??/07 - "Shortly before Christmas" - ALE Detective/brother meet with Persistence crew
12/22/07 - Persistence crew builds a 'local material trap' to test the sensing equipment
12/25/07 - TRAP FOUND
12/29/07 - ROV dive
12/30/07 - Meeting on the Persistence
12/30/07 - Trahan dive (we've only seen the one done for the Dateline camera)
01/07/08 - TRAP CLEANED OUT BY ONLY ALE DIVERS
01/10/08 - 1st day of taping the Range Rover confessions w/Patrick

<snip>

Edit to add 11-29 hinkiness

Looking good Lifesong!  Your timeline is a Godsend to me.

Janet
______

Ockham's Razor
You must never fail to adopt the simplest idea as your working hypothesis. If necessity demands, you can dump it later when you have more data, but only because it is no longer the simplest idea" or "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 06:37:33 PM
Janet,

In Lifesong's post above, OE's quoted post only mentions sampling on Video 3 on January 7, 2008.    ::MonkeyConfused::     ::MonkeyWaa::



.... and I thought that I finally got it!

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 06:43:46 PM
2NJSons_Mom ... have a wonderful "warm" vacation.  I will miss ya.

Monkeys ... I got some packing to do myself.  Eight of us are climbing into our church's mini bus (seats 12) mid morning tomorrow and headed south to the Seattle for the weekend.  The Lion King production on Saturday evening will be the highlight.  We will be back on Sunday evening.

Have a great weekend all.

Janet
3:45 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 26, 2009, 06:46:30 PM
Janet,

In Lifesong's post above, OE's quoted post only mentions sampling on Video 3 on January 7, 2008.    ::MonkeyConfused::     ::MonkeyWaa::



.... and I thought that I finally got it!

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

The 7th was the date we all have known to be the ALE sampling/collection from the cage.  I do agree that Kyle's words speaking of the 29th & 30th, then incorporating diver's sampling verbiage can be confusing and possibly misinterpreted. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 26, 2009, 06:48:56 PM
2NJSons_Mom ... have a wonderful "warm" vacation.  I will miss ya.

Monkeys ... I got some packing to do myself.  Eight of us are climbing into our church's mini bus (seats 12) mid morning tomorrow and headed south to the Seattle for the weekend.  The Lion King production on Saturday evening will be the highlight.  We will be back on Sunday evening.

Have a great weekend all.

Janet
3:45 PM PT

Thank you, Janet.  Have a wonderful weekend!!  I'll miss you, too....edit, edit.     ::MonkeyHaHa::    Just kidding!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 06:50:09 PM
2NJSons_Mom ... have a wonderful "warm" vacation.  I will miss ya.

Monkeys ... I got some packing to do myself.  Eight of us are climbing into our church's mini bus (seats 12) mid morning tomorrow and headed south to the Seattle for the weekend.  The Lion King production on Saturday evening will be the highlight.  We will be back on Sunday evening.

Have a great weekend all.

Janet
3:45 PM PT

Thank you, Janet.  Have a wonderful weekend!!  I'll miss you, too....edit, edit.     ::MonkeyHaHa::    Just kidding!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 26, 2009, 06:50:33 PM


11/21/07 - Re-arrests based on "new evidence" resulting from Dutch 'cold-case' investigators

11/29/07 - Lazlo @ RU posts:  "No one from the OM has claimed the new evidence was Joran talking to Kalpoes, but Joran talking to a friend. IMO"

11/30/07 - Persistence leaves Louisiana
12/01/07 - Kalpoes released, no charges, no new evidence
12/07/07 - Joran ordered released, no charges, no new evidence
12/15/07 - Persistence arrives late; was delayed by storm
12/20/07 - Caplocks registers
12/??/07 - "Shortly before Christmas" - ALE Detective/brother meet with Persistence crew
12/22/07 - Persistence crew builds a 'local material trap' to test the sensing equipment
12/25/07 - TRAP FOUND
12/29/07 - ROV dive
12/30/07 - Meeting on the Persistence
12/30/07 - Trahan dive (we've only seen the one done for the Dateline camera)
01/07/08 - TRAP CLEANED OUT BY ONLY ALE DIVERS
01/10/08 - 1st day of taping the Range Rover confessions w/Patrick

<snip>

Edit to add 11-29 hinkiness

Looking good Lifesong!  Your timeline is a Godsend to me.

Janet
______

Ockham's Razor
You must never fail to adopt the simplest idea as your working hypothesis. If necessity demands, you can dump it later when you have more data, but only because it is no longer the simplest idea" or "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity



Thanks, Janet, I am familiar with Ockham's Razor.

I apologize if I've upset you, hasn't been my intention.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 06:55:58 PM


11/21/07 - Re-arrests based on "new evidence" resulting from Dutch 'cold-case' investigators

11/29/07 - Lazlo @ RU posts:  "No one from the OM has claimed the new evidence was Joran talking to Kalpoes, but Joran talking to a friend. IMO"

11/30/07 - Persistence leaves Louisiana
12/01/07 - Kalpoes released, no charges, no new evidence
12/07/07 - Joran ordered released, no charges, no new evidence
12/15/07 - Persistence arrives late; was delayed by storm
12/20/07 - Caplocks registers
12/??/07 - "Shortly before Christmas" - ALE Detective/brother meet with Persistence crew
12/22/07 - Persistence crew builds a 'local material trap' to test the sensing equipment
12/25/07 - TRAP FOUND
12/29/07 - ROV dive
12/30/07 - Meeting on the Persistence
12/30/07 - Trahan dive (we've only seen the one done for the Dateline camera)
01/07/08 - TRAP CLEANED OUT BY ONLY ALE DIVERS
01/10/08 - 1st day of taping the Range Rover confessions w/Patrick

<snip>

Edit to add 11-29 hinkiness

Looking good Lifesong!  Your timeline is a Godsend to me.

Janet
______

Ockham's Razor
You must never fail to adopt the simplest idea as your working hypothesis. If necessity demands, you can dump it later when you have more data, but only because it is no longer the simplest idea" or "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity



Thanks, Janet, I am familiar with Ockham's Razor.

I apologize if I've upset you, hasn't been my intention.


Lifesong ... NOBODY has upset me.

I was just sharing that I was have a difficult time comprehending where all this research is going to fit into the Natalee Holloway case and ... that seem to upset Keepthefaith.  It was never my intention to offend or undermine all his research or the research of others regarding the topic.  I just wanted to understand.  Lifesong ... I wished I had said nothing.

Janet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2009, 07:01:56 PM
2NJSons_Mom ... have a wonderful "warm" vacation.  I will miss ya.

Monkeys ... I got some packing to do myself.  Eight of us are climbing into our church's mini bus (seats 12) mid morning tomorrow and headed south to the Seattle for the weekend.  The Lion King production on Saturday evening will be the highlight.  We will be back on Sunday evening.

Have a great weekend all.

Janet
3:45 PM PT

Have a wonderful trip Janet, I'm finally back and now you'll be gone!  I will miss you!!!!   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2009, 07:05:48 PM
2NJ,
Cancun sounds like a lot of fun!  I hope you have a great trip, but we will miss you!    ::MonkeyCool::

I'm glad you are going to have this chance to rest and relax!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 07:06:55 PM
2NJSons_Mom ... have a wonderful "warm" vacation.  I will miss ya.

Monkeys ... I got some packing to do myself.  Eight of us are climbing into our church's mini bus (seats 12) mid morning tomorrow and headed south to the Seattle for the weekend.  The Lion King production on Saturday evening will be the highlight.  We will be back on Sunday evening.

Have a great weekend all.

Janet
3:45 PM PT

Have a wonderful trip Janet, I'm finally back and now you'll be gone!  I will miss you!!!!   ::MonkeyWaa::

Thank you Texasmom.

I have missed looking up and ... not seeing you there in the wings looking over us.

Hugs

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2009, 07:13:32 PM
2NJSons_Mom ... have a wonderful "warm" vacation.  I will miss ya.

Monkeys ... I got some packing to do myself.  Eight of us are climbing into our church's mini bus (seats 12) mid morning tomorrow and headed south to the Seattle for the weekend.  The Lion King production on Saturday evening will be the highlight.  We will be back on Sunday evening.

Have a great weekend all.

Janet
3:45 PM PT

Have a wonderful trip Janet, I'm finally back and now you'll be gone!  I will miss you!!!!   ::MonkeyWaa::

Thank you Texasmom.

I have missed looking up and ... not seeing you there in the wings looking over us.

Hugs

Janet

Thank you Janet, that means a lot to know I was missed.  I had a hard time concentrating in my classes, worrying about what was going on here!  But hopefully I passed all my tests, if not I will be repeating in online sessions!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: AZLady on February 26, 2009, 07:17:46 PM
I understand what Janet means.  We all want to discover that definitive link that says "aha!" and shows who covered up and lied and when.  Lifesong's timeline is helpful in helping us put events into relative perspective.  The research is necessary because even though only one relevant detail may be discovered amongst piles of documents, when these details are put together, they paint a picture.  It's the patterns that eventually merge to form a picture.

The things that still puzzle me: 
Tim Miller's association with Silvetti and Schaeffer.  Is this strictly professional?  Does Tim realize the business ethics of these men are slimy, to say the least. 
The Range Rover confessions of Joran are connected here, but seem contrived and inserted into the timeline of events for a reason I'm still trying to figure out.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 26, 2009, 07:20:33 PM
Dec. 18, 2007 Kyle said: "Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude
While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates.
He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

On the next morning (December 19), I boarded The Persistence along with Louis Schaffer and Tim Miller and remained aboard for the next 24 hours
http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html

THE MEETING

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/redshirt.jpg)
Quote from: oceanexploration on November 20,2008 at 04:00:07 PM
BTW, this is certainly NOT John Silvetti.  I do not know this man.  He was with the Arubans who came on board for the Dec-30th meeting

Kyle said: "This occurred on Dec 30th when  the Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present).
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.new#new


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/PersistenceHansMosandRichardson.jpg)

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c28/HBelcourt/trap1.jpg)


Tim called Dave prior to the divers visual inspection of the cage.

From the 2/20 Dateline Transcript:

Dave Holloway: I got a phone call from Tim.
Chris Hansen: And what'd he say?
Dave Holloway: He told me, he said, "Dave, we found her."
Chris Hansen: "We found her?"
Dave Holloway: Yeah. I said, "Are you sure?"
and he said, "I’m 99.9 percent sure."
He said, "We hadn't gone down and dove under or anything.
But the photographs--"
he said, "I tell you, Dave." I-- he said, "That's what we're looking for.
And that's gotta-- that-- that's it."


Kyle: "The famous "thumbs down" - Tim Trahan said he could not conclusively see human skeletal remains.
Tim (along with myself) didn't expect an intact skeleton
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.740


Tim Miller: In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap. [/u]
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/



Tim Miller: It looked like a skull. Still looks like a skull.

TIM MILLER: We felt there was a skull in there.....
48 seconds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CFkZzKBviM


[color=redKyle said: "After the 31st of Dec John changes his focus.
gets Tim Miller to leave the boat."


If john felt that the trap did not hold Natalee's body, then why would all the other original crew be gone less then a month (dive was on Dec 30th) to Jan 7th dive) and only John & Kyle on board now. Dolph Richardson told them to "continue to search in deeper waters"? If you honestly think she is still out there and you are being paid a million dollars to do a search, why wouldn't you keep your crew together to finish the job?
Hans Mos knew of Joran's confession about to be released by Peter deVries and therefore he knew the story that Joran had someone take her out in a boat and disposed of her. He was onboard the Persistence and saw stuff. The leak also that the Persistence found something. The fact that even the FBI mentioned "human remains were found."

John Q. Kelly knew because he said that the body is not retrievable to Greta when she asked: Concrete evidence?



Greta van Susteren: "HANS MOS IS A LIAR."



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on February 26, 2009, 09:04:19 PM
I found all of these addresses around the Houston area for Timothy D.Trahan

Background Report for Timothy D. Trahan

LOCATIONS FOR TIMOTHY D. TRAHAN:
5 Addresses in Houston, TX
3 Addresses in Lake Arthur, LA
2 Addresses in Kaplan, LA
1 Address in League City, TX
 
 RELATIVES OF TIMOTHY TRAHAN:
Shelva Trahan  wife
 alias used Tim Trahan


 
 
COMPLETE REPORT INCLUDES (WHEN AVAILABLE):
 


Magnolia, Tim Trahan is a very common name in my area. Would his company have info. on him?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on February 26, 2009, 09:09:56 PM
I found all of these addresses around the Houston area for Timothy D.Trahan

Background Report for Timothy D. Trahan

LOCATIONS FOR TIMOTHY D. TRAHAN:
5 Addresses in Houston, TX
3 Addresses in Lake Arthur, LA
2 Addresses in Kaplan, LA
1 Address in League City, TX
 
 RELATIVES OF TIMOTHY TRAHAN:
Shelva Trahan  wife
 alias used Tim Trahan


 
 
COMPLETE REPORT INCLUDES (WHEN AVAILABLE):
 


I looked in my area phonebook and found 1 in Abbeville, LA. but not any in Kaplan, LA. Both of these small cities are near New Iberia, LA.

Cajun Miracle


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 09:11:31 PM
I found all of these addresses around the Houston area for Timothy D.Trahan

Background Report for Timothy D. Trahan

LOCATIONS FOR TIMOTHY D. TRAHAN:
5 Addresses in Houston, TX
3 Addresses in Lake Arthur, LA  
2 Addresses in Kaplan, LA
1 Address in League City, TX
 
 RELATIVES OF TIMOTHY TRAHAN:
Shelva Trahan  wife
 alias used Tim Trahan


 
 
COMPLETE REPORT INCLUDES (WHEN AVAILABLE):
 


Magnolia, Tim Trahan is a very common name in my area. Would his company have info. on him?


*******
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #707 12/22
« Reply #675 on: December 25, 2007, 04:46:49 AM »

SWLA Natives Search For Natalee Holloway

   
Prosecutors in the Natalee Holloway case said they will reopen the case "if new serious evidence were to be found." Searching for that evidence is a world renowned underwater search team, which includes two Southwest Louisiana natives. We spoke to one of them by satellite phone Sunday afternoon off the coast of Aruba.

"We're looking for a needle in a haystack, that's a big challenge in and of itself," said Tim Trahan. 

Lake Arthur native Tim Trahan is talking about his latest search. Trahan and Lake Charles native Louis Schaefer Jr. head up Underwater Expeditions around the world. Their latest assignment: the hunt for Natalee Holloway off the coast of Aruba.

"It's taken a lot of turns and twists and we finally got the boat off from New Iberia and got it down to Aruba and we started the operation here," said Trahan.

Leaving New Iberia November 26th the R/V Persistence arrived in Aruba December 15th. On board are several experts in the case, including Tim Miller with Texas Equusearch. Acting on a tip, their search for the Alabama teen has taken them to the west point of the island.

"Tim had really felt strongly that the body was put in a crab trap or some kind of metal container and dropped into the ocean," said Trahan. 

Since their arrival, they've been mapping the bottom of the ocean floor with special sonars and high-tech computers for points of interest that could be metal objects. Their scans of have taken them from 60 to 950 feet below Aruba's waters.

"In searching for points of interest, we are making a grid, and when we get done with the whole grid we're going to utilize a remote controlled vehicle which will be going down to inspect each target of interest that we have through the whole grid," explained Trahan.

Sacrificing time away from family, the crew will work around the clock through Christmas and New Years in hopes of finding Natalee and bringing closure to her family... at no charge.

"Natalee's family were speechless for a little while it was a lot of tears from both sides, you know it's hard to meet a family that's lost a child and a lot of times we don't know what to say, but the only thing we could say is we are going to go over there and do the best we can and try to bring their daughter home," said Trahan. "They are very appreciative they call every day and thank us, thank us. It just feels good to do something you feel right about."

Other companies donating their services include J.D. Silvetti, Seatronics, Offshore Innovative Solutions, Pro Log Incorporated, Wilkens Weather Technologies and Agiosat.

A crew from Dateline NBC is also on board documenting the entire operation. Trahan says they don't know how long they'll be out there.

http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7537588&nav=0nqx

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2470.msg321503;topicseen#msg321503



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 26, 2009, 09:52:17 PM


This is getting too weird for me.  I just posted that article yesterday (in this thread, no less) - but I had to chase it down through the link that Jen gave me. 

I'm not here to distract.  I started a Schaefer timeline for my own use - if folks continue to use the one that's up, then I'll continue to update it. 

I don't think KTF has done anything wrong.  He's the one who found the link to Legacy OffShore.  Did it prove anything about what happened in Aruba? No.  But it showed us all that Schaefer is dirtier than we'd thought.  I'm glad to know that.  I thought you were hard on him, Janet and I understand why it upset him.  I'm also certain you guys can work it out without me in the middle of it.

I'll stay out of the discussions in the future, I've never been here for the wrong reasons.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2009, 09:54:07 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 26, 2009, 10:04:09 PM


This is getting too weird for me.  I just posted that article yesterday (in this thread, no less) - but I had to chase it down through the link that Jen gave me. 

I'm not here to distract.  I started a Schaefer timeline for my own use - if folks continue to use the one that's up, then I'll continue to update it. 

I don't think KTF has done anything wrong.  He's the one who found the link to Legacy OffShore.  Did it prove anything about what happened in Aruba? No.  But it showed us all that Schaefer is dirtier than we'd thought.  I'm glad to know that.  I thought you were hard on him, Janet and I understand why it upset him.  I'm also certain you guys can work it out without me in the middle of it.

I'll stay out of the discussions in the future, I've never been here for the wrong reasons.



Lifesong,

Please don't be upset.  I think your timeline is amazing and it is such a big help to me.
I know that you have put a lot of work into it.
KeeptheFaith has done some wonderful research on the corporate side of things.  I
am amazed at some of the things that he has come up with
I really don't think anybody was trying to discourage your or KTF's research.
It is all soooooo important.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 26, 2009, 10:07:50 PM
I found all of these addresses around the Houston area for Timothy D.Trahan

Background Report for Timothy D. Trahan

LOCATIONS FOR TIMOTHY D. TRAHAN:
5 Addresses in Houston, TX
3 Addresses in Lake Arthur, LA
2 Addresses in Kaplan, LA
1 Address in League City, TX
 
 RELATIVES OF TIMOTHY TRAHAN:
Shelva Trahan  wife
 alias used Tim Trahan


 
 
COMPLETE REPORT INCLUDES (WHEN AVAILABLE):
 


I looked in my area phonebook and found 1 in Abbeville, LA. but not any in Kaplan, LA. Both of these small cities are near New Iberia, LA.

Cajun Miracle

Hi Cajun,
I found those from Zaba search.  At the time we were looking into which Tim Trahan was which.
I just thought they might be helpful in the PO Box search.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2009, 10:08:56 PM


11/21/07 - Re-arrests based on "new evidence" resulting from Dutch 'cold-case' investigators

11/29/07 - Lazlo @ RU posts:  "No one from the OM has claimed the new evidence was Joran talking to Kalpoes, but Joran talking to a friend. IMO"

11/30/07 - Persistence leaves Louisiana
12/01/07 - Kalpoes released, no charges, no new evidence
12/07/07 - Joran ordered released, no charges, no new evidence
12/15/07 - Persistence arrives late; was delayed by storm
12/20/07 - Caplocks registers
12/??/07 - "Shortly before Christmas" - ALE Detective/brother meet with Persistence crew
12/22/07 - Persistence crew builds a 'local material trap' to test the sensing equipment
12/25/07 - TRAP FOUND
12/29/07 - ROV dive
12/30/07 - Meeting on the Persistence
12/30/07 - Trahan dive (we've only seen the one done for the Dateline camera)
01/07/08 - TRAP CLEANED OUT BY ONLY ALE DIVERS
01/10/08 - 1st day of taping the Range Rover confessions w/Patrick

<snip>

Edit to add 11-29 hinkiness

Looking good Lifesong!  Your timeline is a Godsend to me.

Janet
______

Ockham's Razor
You must never fail to adopt the simplest idea as your working hypothesis. If necessity demands, you can dump it later when you have more data, but only because it is no longer the simplest idea" or "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity



Thanks, Janet, I am familiar with Ockham's Razor.

I apologize if I've upset you, hasn't been my intention.


Lifesong ... NOBODY has upset me.

I was just sharing that I was have a difficult time comprehending where all this research is going to fit into the Natalee Holloway case and ... that seem to upset Keepthefaith. It was never my intention to offend or undermine all his research or the research of others regarding the topic.   I just wanted to understand.  Lifesong ... I wished I had said nothing.

Janet.

I don't think Janet meant to upset anyone, or to suggest that the research should stop. 

I hope everyone will chalk it up to a misunderstanding, and carry on.

No one has done anything wrong, and light is being shed on some very shady business practices IMO.

I appreciate all of the time and effort by everyone here, to shed light on any and all aspects/people involved in this case; and the Persistence mission.

 ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 10:14:48 PM

Lifesong ... NOBODY has upset me.

I was just sharing that I was have a difficult time comprehending where all this research is going to fit into the Natalee Holloway case and ... that seem to upset Keepthefaith.  It was never my intention to offend or undermine all his research or the research of others regarding the topic.  I just wanted to understand.  Lifesong ... I wished I had said nothing.

Janet.

BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 26, 2009, 10:15:14 PM
I agree.  Lifesong, KeeptheFaith, or anyone who does research should continue. 

We do not know where this all may lead, but it has been an interesting turn.

Don't get discouraged.  It's for Natalee. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 26, 2009, 10:15:17 PM


This is getting too weird for me.  I just posted that article yesterday (in this thread, no less) - but I had to chase it down through the link that Jen gave me. 

I'm not here to distract.  I started a Schaefer timeline for my own use - if folks continue to use the one that's up, then I'll continue to update it. 

I don't think KTF has done anything wrong.  He's the one who found the link to Legacy OffShore.  Did it prove anything about what happened in Aruba? No.  But it showed us all that Schaefer is dirtier than we'd thought.  I'm glad to know that.  I thought you were hard on him, Janet and I understand why it upset him.  I'm also certain you guys can work it out without me in the middle of it.

I'll stay out of the discussions in the future, I've never been here for the wrong reasons.



Lifesong,

Please don't go or stop.
I read your work and everyone's and I think your timeline is very valuable.
I don't' know what has upset you, but I hope the research/posts continue.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 10:16:17 PM
I want to make it perfectly clear that I am not undermining all the hard work that you all have put into researching this topic.  I am only say that it is "ME" that is confused/lost in regards to where all this is going ... how it is going to tie in.

In other words ... "MY" problem.

Hugs.

Janet



BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 10:17:37 PM
Wow Janet.Really don't know what to tell you in regards to the last post!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Keepthefaith .. I did not expect a response.  The bottom line is that I am slow at comprehending the purpose of all this research.  The learning process for me has always dictated baby steps.  Too much info at once is too distracting.

Hey ... I will continue to read Lovesong's timeline and ... in time a light will go off in my noggin and ... I will be one with you all.

Keep on keeping on.  I am not going anywhere.

Justice for Natalee Holloway!!

Janet



BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 26, 2009, 10:18:16 PM


11/21/07 - Re-arrests based on "new evidence" resulting from Dutch 'cold-case' investigators

11/29/07 - Lazlo @ RU posts:  "No one from the OM has claimed the new evidence was Joran talking to Kalpoes, but Joran talking to a friend. IMO"

11/30/07 - Persistence leaves Louisiana
12/01/07 - Kalpoes released, no charges, no new evidence
12/07/07 - Joran ordered released, no charges, no new evidence
12/15/07 - Persistence arrives late; was delayed by storm
12/20/07 - Caplocks registers
12/??/07 - "Shortly before Christmas" - ALE Detective/brother meet with Persistence crew
12/22/07 - Persistence crew builds a 'local material trap' to test the sensing equipment
12/25/07 - TRAP FOUND
12/29/07 - ROV dive
12/30/07 - Meeting on the Persistence
12/30/07 - Trahan dive (we've only seen the one done for the Dateline camera)
01/07/08 - TRAP CLEANED OUT BY ONLY ALE DIVERS
01/10/08 - 1st day of taping the Range Rover confessions w/Patrick

<snip>

Edit to add 11-29 hinkiness

Looking good Lifesong!  Your timeline is a Godsend to me.

Janet
______

Ockham's Razor
You must never fail to adopt the simplest idea as your working hypothesis. If necessity demands, you can dump it later when you have more data, but only because it is no longer the simplest idea" or "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity



Thanks, Janet, I am familiar with Ockham's Razor.

I apologize if I've upset you, hasn't been my intention.


Lifesong ... NOBODY has upset me.

I was just sharing that I was have a difficult time comprehending where all this research is going to fit into the Natalee Holloway case and ... that seem to upset Keepthefaith. It was never my intention to offend or undermine all his research or the research of others regarding the topic.   I just wanted to understand.  Lifesong ... I wished I had said nothing.

Janet.

I don't think Janet meant to upset anyone, or to suggest that the research should stop. 

I hope everyone will chalk it up to a misunderstanding, and carry on.

No one has done anything wrong, and light is being shed on some very shady business practices IMO.

I appreciate all of the time and effort by everyone here, to shed light on any and all aspects/people involved in this case; and the Persistence mission.

 ::MonkeyCool::




Lifesong and Keepthefaith......Janet used to scare me really bad.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I have become braver and I am not so afraid anymore.

I understand her more. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 26, 2009, 10:18:24 PM

Lifesong ... NOBODY has upset me.

I was just sharing that I was have a difficult time comprehending where all this research is going to fit into the Natalee Holloway case and ... that seem to upset Keepthefaith.  It was never my intention to offend or undermine all his research or the research of others regarding the topic.  I just wanted to understand.  Lifesong ... I wished I had said nothing.

Janet.

BUMPED

YES YES YES - do not be upset anyone.
I know it is confusing to follow and sometimes others will question it, but honestly, I think we can come up with a comprehensive kind of follow the dots when we've got it all pieced together.

Janet is just voicing her don't know what is going on is all.
That's okay too.
Gosh, even I get lost in all the different aspects, but trust me on this - when the story makes itself known then you'll understand.

It takes time and research the way you all have been doing and you're all doing a great job.

Don't stop.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 10:20:23 PM
I feel so bad.  I never meant to offend Keepthefaith.  Hey ... he has been my rock on the forum as far as support.

I do not know what else I can say.  I just do not know how to make things right.

Janet





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 26, 2009, 10:23:04 PM
I have become braver and I am not so afraid anymore.

I understand her more. ::MonkeyCool::

Janet in her jammies might be scary. ::MonkeyLaugh::
But honestly, she just questions the heck of out people and makes them prove it until she understands it.

Just be patient and don't take offense.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 26, 2009, 10:24:59 PM


This is getting too weird for me.  I just posted that article yesterday (in this thread, no less) - but I had to chase it down through the link that Jen gave me. 

I'm not here to distract.  I started a Schaefer timeline for my own use - if folks continue to use the one that's up, then I'll continue to update it. 

I don't think KTF has done anything wrong.  He's the one who found the link to Legacy OffShore.  Did it prove anything about what happened in Aruba? No.  But it showed us all that Schaefer is dirtier than we'd thought.  I'm glad to know that.  I thought you were hard on him, Janet and I understand why it upset him.  I'm also certain you guys can work it out without me in the middle of it.

I'll stay out of the discussions in the future, I've never been here for the wrong reasons.



Lifesong - I don't know what happened here but I know your timeline has been a fantastic resource.  Please, I don't know what you are upset about but please don't be.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 26, 2009, 10:25:04 PM
I feel so bad.  I never meant to offend Keepthefaith.  Hey ... he has been my rock on the forum as far as support.

I do not know what else I can say.  I just do not know how to make things right.

Janet

Perhaps some shoefly pie will do it!
I'll bake it this time and you bring the peace pipe.

KFT..........come back
come back

Lifesong.........don't go
don't go



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 26, 2009, 10:27:31 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 10:28:35 PM
I have become braver and I am not so afraid anymore.

I understand her more. ::MonkeyCool::

Janet in her jammies might be scary. ::MonkeyLaugh::
But honestly, she just questions the heck of out people and makes them prove it until she understands it.

Just be patient and don't take offense.




Thanks Kermit.  However ... you and I have a history.  We know that offense is never intended when we question each other or disagree.  I should have considered my words more carefully when questioning Keepthefaith's research and ... I will in the future.  I hope he forgives me.

Ribbit.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 26, 2009, 10:29:20 PM
(http://blog.craftzine.com/KermitCupcakes.jpg)

I baked cupcakes instead for the return of Lifesong and KFT



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: San on February 26, 2009, 10:30:40 PM
I feel so bad.  I never meant to offend Keepthefaith.  Hey ... he has been my rock on the forum as far as support.

I do not know what else I can say.  I just do not know how to make things right.

Janet

Perhaps some shoefly pie will do it!
I'll bake it this time and you bring the peace pipe.

KFT..........come back
come back

Lifesong.........don't go
don't go



I want KTF and Lifesong to keep posting and not leave.

You are giving others what they want by doing so.  You both have worked so hard and I don't believe in giving up so get back here.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 26, 2009, 10:31:20 PM
I think we are all tired and angry at the Arubans and the Persistence Crew,
and the drive bys.

Janet, I know that you did not mean to hurt any feelings.  You are a good egg. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: San on February 26, 2009, 10:32:05 PM
I feel so bad.  I never meant to offend Keepthefaith.  Hey ... he has been my rock on the forum as far as support.

I do not know what else I can say.  I just do not know how to make things right.

Janet

Perhaps some shoefly pie will do it!
I'll bake it this time and you bring the peace pipe.

KFT..........come back
come back

Lifesong.........don't go
don't go



I want KTF and Lifesong to keep posting and not leave.

You are giving others what they want by doing so.  You both have worked so hard and I don't believe in giving up so get back here.

If you don't get back here I will be forced to remove my hat and then you will see San with hat hair  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 26, 2009, 10:32:09 PM
I have become braver and I am not so afraid anymore.

I understand her more. ::MonkeyCool::

Janet in her jammies might be scary. ::MonkeyLaugh::
But honestly, she just questions the heck of out people and makes them prove it until she understands it.

Just be patient and don't take offense.




Thanks Kermit.  However ... you and I have a history.  We know that offense is never intended when we question each other or disagree.  I should have considered my words more carefully when questioning Keepthefaith's research and ... I will in the future.  I hope he forgives me.

Ribbit.

Janet

((Hugs)))

You're just an inquisitive person who likes answers. And I know you didn't mean anything bad towards them or anyone.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: San on February 26, 2009, 10:32:59 PM
I think we are all tired and angry at the Arubans and the Persistence Crew,
and the drive bys.


Janet, I know that you did not mean to hurt any feelings.  You are a good egg. ::MonkeyCool::

I agree Magnolia.  We have been fighting a battle since December.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 26, 2009, 10:33:13 PM
SAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Just the thought of San's hat with Buck's tail for flaps flying in the wind is well....just too much
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 26, 2009, 10:34:33 PM
Lifesong, KTF, et al:

Your work IS so necessary and appreciated!

The whole premise of questioning the trap and its' possible contents has really split those that are looking for answers in Natalee's case. By exposing the possible motives of those on the Persistence, it should go a long ways in helping the "doubters" understand WHY so many of us have serious reservations. Without backing up our "claims" with this background information -- our words run hollow. Thank-you for this VITAL information.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 26, 2009, 10:35:15 PM
I feel so bad.  I never meant to offend Keepthefaith.  Hey ... he has been my rock on the forum as far as support.

I do not know what else I can say.  I just do not know how to make things right.

Janet

Perhaps some shoefly pie will do it!
I'll bake it this time and you bring the peace pipe.

KFT..........come back
come back

Lifesong.........don't go
don't go



I want KTF and Lifesong to keep posting and not leave.

You are giving others what they want by doing so.  You both have worked so hard and I don't believe in giving up so get back here.

If you don't get back here I will be forced to remove my hat and then you will see San with hat hair  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 26, 2009, 10:35:16 PM
San!      ::MonkeyLaugh::

I saw Lifesong in the house.  KeeptheFaith better be shoveling snow or at a family function. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 26, 2009, 10:37:10 PM

(http://blogs.news.com.au/images/uploads/580kermit-r.jpg)
Please come back...........KFT and Lifesong


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 10:43:18 PM
I think I will call it a night.  I still have a little more last minute packing to do and ... getting together our passports and extended medical info.

Good Night Monkeys.  Good Night Zookeepers.

Janet
7:45 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: San on February 26, 2009, 10:45:22 PM
I think I will call it a night.  I still have a little more last minute packing to do and ... getting together our passports and extended medical info.

Good Night Monkeys.  Good Night Zookeepers.

Janet
7:45 PM PT

Have a good night Janet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 26, 2009, 10:47:33 PM
I think I will call it a night.  I still have a little more last minute packing to do and ... getting together our passports and extended medical info.

Good Night Monkeys.  Good Night Zookeepers.

Janet
7:45 PM PT

Have a good time in the USA, Janet.  Don't upset the border guards....PLEASE. 

 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 26, 2009, 10:47:54 PM
I think I will call it a night.  I still have a little more last minute packing to do and ... getting together our passports and extended medical info.

Good Night Monkeys.  Good Night Zookeepers.

Janet
7:45 PM PT

I hope that you have a wonderful weekend and enjoy The Lion King.
Sleep well and dream big.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 26, 2009, 10:48:38 PM
KTF,

Talk to us. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: snoopy on February 26, 2009, 10:50:52 PM
The research that you all are doing is very important.  I know that I sure appreciate it.  I want answers.  I want to know who harmed Natalee, who disposed of her, who covered it up, where she is,  and if dishonorable things happened with the search which I believe it did then I want to know who was involved in that too.  Don't let up.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 26, 2009, 10:51:07 PM
KTF, it has been lonely this afternoon without you!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2009, 10:52:33 PM


11/21/07 - Re-arrests based on "new evidence" resulting from Dutch 'cold-case' investigators

11/29/07 - Lazlo @ RU posts:  "No one from the OM has claimed the new evidence was Joran talking to Kalpoes, but Joran talking to a friend. IMO"

11/30/07 - Persistence leaves Louisiana
12/01/07 - Kalpoes released, no charges, no new evidence
12/07/07 - Joran ordered released, no charges, no new evidence
12/15/07 - Persistence arrives late; was delayed by storm
12/20/07 - Caplocks registers
12/??/07 - "Shortly before Christmas" - ALE Detective/brother meet with Persistence crew
12/22/07 - Persistence crew builds a 'local material trap' to test the sensing equipment
12/25/07 - TRAP FOUND
12/29/07 - ROV dive
12/30/07 - Meeting on the Persistence
12/30/07 - Trahan dive (we've only seen the one done for the Dateline camera)
01/07/08 - TRAP CLEANED OUT BY ONLY ALE DIVERS
01/10/08 - 1st day of taping the Range Rover confessions w/Patrick

<snip>

Edit to add 11-29 hinkiness

Looking good Lifesong!  Your timeline is a Godsend to me.

Janet
______

Ockham's Razor
You must never fail to adopt the simplest idea as your working hypothesis. If necessity demands, you can dump it later when you have more data, but only because it is no longer the simplest idea" or "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity



Thanks, Janet, I am familiar with Ockham's Razor.

I apologize if I've upset you, hasn't been my intention.


Lifesong ... NOBODY has upset me.

I was just sharing that I was have a difficult time comprehending where all this research is going to fit into the Natalee Holloway case and ... that seem to upset Keepthefaith. It was never my intention to offend or undermine all his research or the research of others regarding the topic.   I just wanted to understand.  Lifesong ... I wished I had said nothing.

Janet.

I don't think Janet meant to upset anyone, or to suggest that the research should stop. 

I hope everyone will chalk it up to a misunderstanding, and carry on.

No one has done anything wrong, and light is being shed on some very shady business practices IMO.

I appreciate all of the time and effort by everyone here, to shed light on any and all aspects/people involved in this case; and the Persistence mission.

 ::MonkeyCool::




Lifesong and Keepthefaith......Janet used to scare me really bad.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I have become braver and I am not so afraid anymore.

I understand her more. ::MonkeyCool::


Me too!   ::MonkeyDance::

Just kidding Janet!   

I'm still skeerd of ya sometimes!  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Woooohoooo, I'm stackin' it up till KTF speaks!!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: snoopy on February 26, 2009, 10:53:51 PM
KTF don't make me come up there. lol  :2waver:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on February 26, 2009, 10:54:15 PM
I found all of these addresses around the Houston area for Timothy D.Trahan

Background Report for Timothy D. Trahan

LOCATIONS FOR TIMOTHY D. TRAHAN:
5 Addresses in Houston, TX
3 Addresses in Lake Arthur, LA
2 Addresses in Kaplan, LA
1 Address in League City, TX
 
 RELATIVES OF TIMOTHY TRAHAN:
Shelva Trahan  wife
 alias used Tim Trahan


 
 
COMPLETE REPORT INCLUDES (WHEN AVAILABLE):
 


I looked in my area phonebook and found 1 in Abbeville, LA. but not any in Kaplan, LA. Both of these small cities are near New Iberia, LA.

Cajun Miracle

Hi Cajun,
I found those from Zaba search.  At the time we were looking into which Tim Trahan was which.
I just thought they might be helpful in the PO Box search.

I think that Tamikosmom has it right and he's from Lake Arthur, LA. in SW Louisiana.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2009, 10:56:19 PM
I feel so bad.  I never meant to offend Keepthefaith.  Hey ... he has been my rock on the forum as far as support.

I do not know what else I can say.  I just do not know how to make things right.

Janet


It's o.k. Janet, it was just a misunderstanding!  No worries, I'm gonna start stackin' quotes and beggin' till KTF forgets all about it!  And then I'll work on Lifesong too!!!!! 

I'm a ravin' maniac stackaholic!     ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Woooohoooooo!!!!!!!   ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2009, 10:58:14 PM
I think I will call it a night.  I still have a little more last minute packing to do and ... getting together our passports and extended medical info.

Good Night Monkeys.  Good Night Zookeepers.

Janet
7:45 PM PT

Hope you have a great trip, hurry back!

Goodnight Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 26, 2009, 10:59:40 PM

I'm ok guys, thanks.  I'm not going anywhere and I'll never stop until justice is served.   

The link to "He Who Shall Not Be Named"'s post just freaked me out a little. 

The last thing I want to do is distract from the mission...and it does hurt a bit to imagine someone you respect may suspect you of being somehow associated with any fool run amuck on some twisted internet power-trip.

I hope its just my mistake, but I'll be a more cautious going forward.

Magnolia - how long did it take to stop being scared of her?   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet - if I didn't care it wouldn't matter to me what you think.

San - you can keep your hat on!   ::MonkeyWink::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2009, 11:02:58 PM


11/21/07 - Re-arrests based on "new evidence" resulting from Dutch 'cold-case' investigators

11/29/07 - Lazlo @ RU posts:  "No one from the OM has claimed the new evidence was Joran talking to Kalpoes, but Joran talking to a friend. IMO"

11/30/07 - Persistence leaves Louisiana
12/01/07 - Kalpoes released, no charges, no new evidence
12/07/07 - Joran ordered released, no charges, no new evidence
12/15/07 - Persistence arrives late; was delayed by storm
12/20/07 - Caplocks registers
12/??/07 - "Shortly before Christmas" - ALE Detective/brother meet with Persistence crew
12/22/07 - Persistence crew builds a 'local material trap' to test the sensing equipment
12/25/07 - TRAP FOUND
12/29/07 - ROV dive
12/30/07 - Meeting on the Persistence
12/30/07 - Trahan dive (we've only seen the one done for the Dateline camera)
01/07/08 - TRAP CLEANED OUT BY ONLY ALE DIVERS
01/10/08 - 1st day of taping the Range Rover confessions w/Patrick

<snip>

Edit to add 11-29 hinkiness

Looking good Lifesong!  Your timeline is a Godsend to me.

Janet
______

Ockham's Razor
You must never fail to adopt the simplest idea as your working hypothesis. If necessity demands, you can dump it later when you have more data, but only because it is no longer the simplest idea" or "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity



Thanks, Janet, I am familiar with Ockham's Razor.

I apologize if I've upset you, hasn't been my intention.


Lifesong ... NOBODY has upset me.

I was just sharing that I was have a difficult time comprehending where all this research is going to fit into the Natalee Holloway case and ... that seem to upset Keepthefaith. It was never my intention to offend or undermine all his research or the research of others regarding the topic.   I just wanted to understand.  Lifesong ... I wished I had said nothing.

Janet.

I don't think Janet meant to upset anyone, or to suggest that the research should stop. 

I hope everyone will chalk it up to a misunderstanding, and carry on.

No one has done anything wrong, and light is being shed on some very shady business practices IMO.

I appreciate all of the time and effort by everyone here, to shed light on any and all aspects/people involved in this case; and the Persistence mission.

 ::MonkeyCool::




Lifesong and Keepthefaith......Janet used to scare me really bad.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I have become braver and I am not so afraid anymore.

I understand her more. ::MonkeyCool::


Me too!   ::MonkeyDance::

Just kidding Janet!   

I'm still skeerd of ya sometimes!  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Woooohoooo, I'm stackin' it up till KTF speaks!!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

OK KTF, I'm in danger of gettin' in trouble with the mods here, and you know how I like to stay in the good graces of the mods!!!!  If I add one more to this stack, billb's gonna appear I just know it!!!!!  Don't make me call out billb!  Come out, come out, and talk KTF....Don't make me start a countdown!!!!!  You are much better at those than I am....it will be ugly if you force me to start a countdown......Now come on out and post RIGHT NOW....!!!!!!


Pretty please....with sugar on top!!!!!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 26, 2009, 11:03:27 PM

I'm ok guys, thanks.  I'm not going anywhere and I'll never stop until justice is served.   

The link to "He Who Shall Not Be Named"'s post just freaked me out a little. 

The last thing I want to do is distract from the mission...and it does hurt a bit to imagine someone you respect may suspect you of being somehow associated with any fool run amuck on some twisted internet power-trip.

I hope its just my mistake, but I'll be a more cautious going forward.

Magnolia - how long did it take to stop being scared of her?   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet - if I didn't care it wouldn't matter to me what you think.

San - you can keep your hat on!   ::MonkeyWink::



That song was from "9 1/2 Weeks" wasn't it?????  ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2009, 11:05:31 PM

I'm ok guys, thanks.  I'm not going anywhere and I'll never stop until justice is served.   

The link to "He Who Shall Not Be Named"'s post just freaked me out a little. 

The last thing I want to do is distract from the mission...and it does hurt a bit to imagine someone you respect may suspect you of being somehow associated with any fool run amuck on some twisted internet power-trip.

I hope its just my mistake, but I'll be a more cautious going forward.

Magnolia - how long did it take to stop being scared of her?   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet - if I didn't care it wouldn't matter to me what you think.

San - you can keep your hat on!   ::MonkeyWink::



That song was from "9 1/2 Weeks" wasn't it?????  ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 26, 2009, 11:05:43 PM
Janet,as well as all Monkey's should ask question's.That's why i appreciate Scared Monkey's.Complete transparency.I know,that if i'm not on track,i can trust and have complete FAITH that the Monkey's will keep me focused!Did Janet's post confuse me a bit?Absolutely.I was aware of Stovall working for Underwater but,was unaware that he was taken over to Legacy Offshore!Sometimes this stuff doesn't make sense to me when i first look at it but putting it out there is the important thing.I know if another Monkey comes across something it could make sense later.

Me personally.I don't believe these POS went down their without an incentive.Were Silvetti,Schaefer and Trahan in complete agreement on an incentive?All these POS got something outta this.I'm hoping i can continue to contribute to one day finding out what the incentive was for each and everyone of these Traitor's.

Always remember.I have much love for the Monkey cage and the participants as long as the goal is JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY.If that means questioning me!Do it every day.That's what seeking justice is all about!Keep me focused!Also.Remember.I'm as loyal as they come and will defend each and every monkey to no end!I think many have seen that...

OK.I'll shut up! ::MonkeyHaHa:: I hope LifeSong doesn't go anywhere as well!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 26, 2009, 11:06:57 PM
Lifesong,

Glad you are hanging around.  Your efforts are appreciated...can you tell? 

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2009, 11:10:18 PM
Thanks Lifesong and KTF!!!!! 

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: snoopy on February 26, 2009, 11:15:24 PM
Janet,as well as all Monkey's should ask question's.That's why i appreciate Scared Monkey's.Complete transparency.I know,that if i'm not on track,i can trust and have complete FAITH that the Monkey's will keep me focused!Did Janet's post confuse me a bit?Absolutely.I was aware of Stovall working for Underwater but,was unaware that he was taken over to Legacy Offshore!Sometimes this stuff doesn't make sense to me when i first look at it but putting it out there is the important thing.I know if another Monkey comes across something it could make sense later.

Me personally.I don't believe these POS went down their without an incentive.Were Silvetti,Schaefer and Trahan in complete agreement on an incentive?All these POS got something outta this.I'm hoping i can continue to contribute to one day finding out what the incentive was for each and everyone of these Traitor's.

Always remember.I have much love for the Monkey cage and the participants as long as the goal is JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY.If that means questioning me!Do it every day.That's what seeking justice is all about!Keep me focused!Also.Remember.I'm as loyal as they come and will defend each and every monkey to no end!I think many have seen that...

OK.I'll shut up! ::MonkeyHaHa:: I hope LifeSong doesn't go anywhere as well!



 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Well said, KTF.

P.S.  Don't shutup.

LifeSong's timeline is great.

Janet have a wonderful trip.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 26, 2009, 11:15:44 PM
Janet,as well as all Monkey's should ask question's.That's why i appreciate Scared Monkey's.Complete transparency.I know,that if i'm not on track,i can trust and have complete FAITH that the Monkey's will keep me focused!Did Janet's post confuse me a bit?Absolutely.I was aware of Stovall working for Underwater but,was unaware that he was taken over to Legacy Offshore!Sometimes this stuff doesn't make sense to me when i first look at it but putting it out there is the important thing.I know if another Monkey comes across something it could make sense later.

Me personally.I don't believe these POS went down their without an incentive.Were Silvetti,Schaefer and Trahan in complete agreement on an incentive?All these POS got something outta this.I'm hoping i can continue to contribute to one day finding out what the incentive was for each and everyone of these Traitor's.

Always remember.I have much love for the Monkey cage and the participants as long as the goal is JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY.If that means questioning me!Do it every day.That's what seeking justice is all about!Keep me focused!Also.Remember.I'm as loyal as they come and will defend each and every monkey to no end!I think many have seen that...

OK.I'll shut up! ::MonkeyHaHa:: I hope LifeSong doesn't go anywhere as well!



Don't stop or shut up.  It's not what we do.   ::MonkeyHaHa::   I think Lifesong isn't going anywhere.

We've all learned along the way that it isn't about me, it's about Natalee.   People question and counter posts.  It happens and we all just have to counter back or agree that the question or counter was reasonable or not.   Sometimes silence is the best, but disappearing not so good.        ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 26, 2009, 11:19:03 PM
Thanks Lifesong and KTF!!!!! 

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Thanx TM!I want all Monkey's to know the appreciation and admiration i have for all of you.Everybody contributes in each Monkey's own way!I'm not as organized as many monkey's know.That's why i post many things sometimes. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 26, 2009, 11:23:52 PM
To Scared Monkey's,Red,Dugga,Klaas,CBB,San,2nj,MuffyBee,as well as anyone i left out!This forum is a rock and foundation for those without a voice......You all should know you are appreciated more then you know... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2009, 11:29:54 PM
To Scared Monkey's,Red,Dugga,Klaas,CBB,San,2nj,MuffyBee,as well as anyone i left out!This forum is a rock and foundation for those without a voice......You all should know you are appreciated more then you know... ::MonkeyWink::

AMEN!!!!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 26, 2009, 11:32:31 PM
Hey Monkeys.....I'm Very Happy to see that things have gotten straightened out in the cage.....I Am about to make a post about the PO Box and Tim Trahan.....And I certainly don't want to cause any problems....LOL... ::MonkeyWink:: I will do My best to explain what I have found......Justice for Natalee and Her Family is where it is at for Scared Monkeys and I for One Love Being a Part of this Cage...BRB!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 26, 2009, 11:33:06 PM
Whew...
I'm glad that's over....
I was afraid I would have to tack onto TM's stacking post and once again...break my own stacking record!!
Monkeys are all about Justice for Natalee!!
The fakers/distractors will always get weeded out...
Thank you all for working misunderstandings out...
I ain't leaving until there is Justice for Natalee.....And I firmly believe all you wonderful Monkeys IS the reason there will be....
Keep on Keeping on!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 26, 2009, 11:41:37 PM
Hi, billb....you're here early enough tonight to actually talk to someone.    ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 26, 2009, 11:42:45 PM

I'm ok guys, thanks.  I'm not going anywhere and I'll never stop until justice is served.   

The link to "He Who Shall Not Be Named"'s post just freaked me out a little. 

The last thing I want to do is distract from the mission...and it does hurt a bit to imagine someone you respect may suspect you of being somehow associated with any fool run amuck on some twisted internet power-trip.

I hope its just my mistake, but I'll be a more cautious going forward.

Magnolia - how long did it take to stop being scared of her? 
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet - if I didn't care it wouldn't matter to me what you think.

San - you can keep your hat on!   ::MonkeyWink::




I think the fear turned to respect!

I am so glad you are sticking around.  I love your timeline!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 26, 2009, 11:44:51 PM
Whew...
I'm glad that's over....
I was afraid I would have to tack onto TM's stacking post and once again...break my own stacking record!!
Monkeys are all about Justice for Natalee!!
The fakers/distractors  will always get weeded out...
Thank you all for working misunderstandings out...
I ain't leaving until there is Justice for Natalee.....And I firmly believe all you wonderful Monkeys IS the reason there will be....
Keep on Keeping on!


As i'm able to pay attention to the forum on a consistent basis due to the type of work i do.I've heeded Kermit's words from follow the money and patterns.That pertains to companies and when poster's post.It is interesting.I believe we have actually made some progress in different areas without the distractions.From CapsLockwizard,The meeting that took place on the Persistence,in regards to an incentive for Silvetti(Go Tamikosmom),as well as delving deeper into the DNA of the Schaefer,Trahan and Silvetti mindset.Each and every day we'll get closer.I do think we'll have to let some time go by in order for more information to come out in the form of contracts.It will happen i believe!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 26, 2009, 11:48:16 PM
Whew...
I'm glad that's over....
I was afraid I would have to tack onto TM's stacking post and once again...break my own stacking record!!
Monkeys are all about Justice for Natalee!!
The fakers/distractors  will always get weeded out...
Thank you all for working misunderstandings out...
I ain't leaving until there is Justice for Natalee.....And I firmly believe all you wonderful Monkeys IS the reason there will be....
Keep on Keeping on!


As i'm able to pay attention to the forum on a consistent basis due to the type of work i do.I've heeded Kermit's words from follow the money and patterns.That pertains to companies and when poster's post.It is interesting.I believe we have actually made some progress in different areas without the distractions.From CapsLockwizard,The meeting that took place on the Persistence,in regards to an incentive for Silvetti(Go Tamikosmom),as well as delving deeper into the DNA of the Schaefer,Trahan and Silvetti mindset.Each and every day we'll get closer.I do think we'll have to let some time go by in order for more information to come out in the form of contracts.It will happen i believe!

I believe too, KTF. ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2009, 11:50:55 PM

I'm ok guys, thanks.  I'm not going anywhere and I'll never stop until justice is served.   

The link to "He Who Shall Not Be Named"'s post just freaked me out a little. 

The last thing I want to do is distract from the mission...and it does hurt a bit to imagine someone you respect may suspect you of being somehow associated with any fool run amuck on some twisted internet power-trip.

I hope its just my mistake, but I'll be a more cautious going forward.

Magnolia - how long did it take to stop being scared of her?   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet - if I didn't care it wouldn't matter to me what you think.

San - you can keep your hat on!   ::MonkeyWink::


Lifesong

The only reason I posted that article was to back up Magnolia's post as far as the Lake Arthur location.  I used the SM search engine ... key word "Lake Arthur" and ... there was the article.  I was not even think about you when I responded to Magnolia's post.

I check back and ... I have always upheld you and the great effort that you have put into a timeline that puts all the happenings into a perspective that the reader can easily grasp.

Janet

+++++++


I found all of these addresses around the Houston area for Timothy D.Trahan

Background Report for Timothy D. Trahan

LOCATIONS FOR TIMOTHY D. TRAHAN:
5 Addresses in Houston, TX
3 Addresses in Lake Arthur, LA  
2 Addresses in Kaplan, LA
1 Address in League City, TX
 
 RELATIVES OF TIMOTHY TRAHAN:
Shelva Trahan  wife
 alias used Tim Trahan


COMPLETE REPORT INCLUDES (WHEN AVAILABLE):
 


Magnolia, Tim Trahan is a very common name in my area. Would his company have info. on him?


*******
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #707 12/22
« Reply #675 on: December 25, 2007, 04:46:49 AM »

SWLA Natives Search For Natalee Holloway

   
Prosecutors in the Natalee Holloway case said they will reopen the case "if new serious evidence were to be found." Searching for that evidence is a world renowned underwater search team, which includes two Southwest Louisiana natives. We spoke to one of them by satellite phone Sunday afternoon off the coast of Aruba.

"We're looking for a needle in a haystack, that's a big challenge in and of itself," said Tim Trahan. 

Lake Arthur native Tim Trahan is talking about his latest search. Trahan and Lake Charles native Louis Schaefer Jr. head up Underwater Expeditions around the world. Their latest assignment: the hunt for Natalee Holloway off the coast of Aruba.

"It's taken a lot of turns and twists and we finally got the boat off from New Iberia and got it down to Aruba and we started the operation here," said Trahan.

Leaving New Iberia November 26th the R/V Persistence arrived in Aruba December 15th. On board are several experts in the case, including Tim Miller with Texas Equusearch. Acting on a tip, their search for the Alabama teen has taken them to the west point of the island.

"Tim had really felt strongly that the body was put in a crab trap or some kind of metal container and dropped into the ocean," said Trahan. 

Since their arrival, they've been mapping the bottom of the ocean floor with special sonars and high-tech computers for points of interest that could be metal objects. Their scans of have taken them from 60 to 950 feet below Aruba's waters.

"In searching for points of interest, we are making a grid, and when we get done with the whole grid we're going to utilize a remote controlled vehicle which will be going down to inspect each target of interest that we have through the whole grid," explained Trahan.

Sacrificing time away from family, the crew will work around the clock through Christmas and New Years in hopes of finding Natalee and bringing closure to her family... at no charge.

"Natalee's family were speechless for a little while it was a lot of tears from both sides, you know it's hard to meet a family that's lost a child and a lot of times we don't know what to say, but the only thing we could say is we are going to go over there and do the best we can and try to bring their daughter home," said Trahan. "They are very appreciative they call every day and thank us, thank us. It just feels good to do something you feel right about."

Other companies donating their services include J.D. Silvetti, Seatronics, Offshore Innovative Solutions, Pro Log Incorporated, Wilkens Weather Technologies and Agiosat.

A crew from Dateline NBC is also on board documenting the entire operation. Trahan says they don't know how long they'll be out there.

http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7537588&nav=0nqx

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2470.msg321503;topicseen#msg321503




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 26, 2009, 11:52:40 PM
The Tim Trahan from KTF's Post from last night about SEC is in MO the same Tim Trahan that did the dive on the trap....As for the PO Box in Kemah I found an address that belonged to Tim Trahan and an address that belonged to Holly J Cooper (one of the PO BOX Holders) that are one and the same the only problem is that I have no idea if They had the address at the same time or if it was in November 2007 when the donations were requested to be sent to the PO Box....I do have one source that is going to try to verify the timeframe for Me but it is not a given that I will get the information.....so at this point in time I can not positively say that this is a match for Trahan and Cooper...I will post more information if and when I get it....I welcome any help that any Monkeys can give on this search....I wish I had something that was a  positive match but right now its just not happening but I will keep trying to verify who held that PO Box in November 2007...I do believe that eventually I will find what We are looking for... ::MonkeyWink:: 

     


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 26, 2009, 11:56:58 PM
Hi, billb....you're here early enough tonight to actually talk to someone.    ::MonkeyWink::


I know.....Now what too say?
On sooo many levels...I'm probably the last one in a position to state anything profound to all the wonderful Monkeys here.
But as I read today, I saw a misunderstanding start to fester between some of my favorite posters...and I was concerned of the consequences as the day went on.
I'm so glad it has worked out, and for all the right reasons...Justice for Natalee...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2009, 11:58:29 PM
The Tim Trahan from KTF's Post from last night about SEC is in MO the same Tim Trahan that did the dive on the trap....As for the PO Box in Kemah I found an address that belonged to Tim Trahan and an address that belonged to Holly J Cooper (one of the PO BOX Holders) that are one and the same the only problem is that I have no idea if They had the address at the same time or if it was in November 2007 when the donations were requested to be sent to the PO Box....I do have one source that is going to try to verify the timeframe for Me but it is not a given that I will get the information.....so at this point in time I can not positively say that this is a match for Trahan and Cooper...I will post more information if and when I get it....I welcome any help that any Monkeys can give on this search....I wish I had something that was a  positive match but right now its just not happening but I will keep trying to verify who held that PO Box in November 2007...I do believe that eventually I will find what We are looking for... ::MonkeyWink:: 

     

Thanks Hotping!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 26, 2009, 11:59:06 PM
The Tim Trahan from KTF's Post from last night about SEC is in MO the same Tim Trahan that did the dive on the trap....As for the PO Box in Kemah I found an address that belonged to Tim Trahan and an address that belonged to Holly J Cooper (one of the PO BOX Holders) that are one and the same the only problem is that I have no idea if They had the address at the same time or if it was in November 2007 when the donations were requested to be sent to the PO Box....I do have one source that is going to try to verify the timeframe for Me but it is not a given that I will get the information.....so at this point in time I can not positively say that this is a match for Trahan and Cooper...I will post more information if and when I get it....I welcome any help that any Monkeys can give on this search....I wish I had something that was a  positive match but right now its just not happening but I will keep trying to verify who held that PO Box in November 2007...I do believe that eventually I will find what We are looking for... ::MonkeyWink:: 

     

Thank you, Hotping.  Your efforts are very much appreciated and admired. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 26, 2009, 11:59:13 PM
Hi, billb....you're here early enough tonight to actually talk to someone.    ::MonkeyWink::


I know.....Now what too say?
On sooo many levels...I'm probably the last one in a position to state anything profound to all the wonderful Monkeys here.
But as I read today, I saw a misunderstanding start to fester between some of my favorite posters...and I was concerned of the consequences as the day went on.
I'm so glad it has worked out, and for all the right reasons...Justice for Natalee...

AMEN.   JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 26, 2009, 11:59:22 PM
The Tim Trahan from KTF's Post from last night about SEC is in MO the same Tim Trahan that did the dive on the trap....As for the PO Box in Kemah I found an address that belonged to Tim Trahan and an address that belonged to Holly J Cooper (one of the PO BOX Holders) that are one and the same the only problem is that I have no idea if They had the address at the same time or if it was in November 2007 when the donations were requested to be sent to the PO Box....I do have one source that is going to try to verify the timeframe for Me but it is not a given that I will get the information.....so at this point in time I can not positively say that this is a match for Trahan and Cooper...I will post more information if and when I get it....I welcome any help that any Monkeys can give on this search....I wish I had something that was a  positive match but right now its just not happening but I will keep trying to verify who held that PO Box in November 2007...I do believe that eventually I will find what We are looking for... ::MonkeyWink:: 

     

Great work!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 26, 2009, 11:59:50 PM
Whew...
I'm glad that's over....
I was afraid I would have to tack onto TM's stacking post and once again...break my own stacking record!!
Monkeys are all about Justice for Natalee!!
The fakers/distractors will always get weeded out...
Thank you all for working misunderstandings out...
I ain't leaving until there is Justice for Natalee.....And I firmly believe all you wonderful Monkeys IS the reason there will be....
Keep on Keeping on!


 ::MonkeyCool:: Hi billb!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 12:00:20 AM
The Tim Trahan from KTF's Post from last night about SEC is in MO the same Tim Trahan that did the dive on the trap....As for the PO Box in Kemah I found an address that belonged to Tim Trahan and an address that belonged to Holly J Cooper (one of the PO BOX Holders) that are one and the same the only problem is that I have no idea if They had the address at the same time or if it was in November 2007 when the donations were requested to be sent to the PO Box....I do have one source that is going to try to verify the timeframe for Me but it is not a given that I will get the information.....so at this point in time I can not positively say that this is a match for Trahan and Cooper...I will post more information if and when I get it....I welcome any help that any Monkeys can give on this search....I wish I had something that was a  positive match but right now its just not happening but I will keep trying to verify who held that PO Box in November 2007...I do believe that eventually I will find what We are looking for... ::MonkeyWink:: 

     

That's the reason i find the SEC happenings so important.If in fact that is the Tim Trahan that dove on the Trap.That should answer your Question Janet.If he's commited insider trading for what?$8'000 dollars.What would it take for him to give a Thumbs down,nothing in the trap statement?Not much in my opinion!Now we have 2 of the 3 Major players,as our friend CapsLockWizard would say,commiting very serious crimes?So.What would be the incentive to search for Natale Holloway?Where are the pressure points?They are there.... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 12:01:06 AM
Thank You TM and 2NJ.....I will not give up....I believe that it is important to find out where those donations went too..... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 27, 2009, 12:01:46 AM
Hi, billb....you're here early enough tonight to actually talk to someone.    ::MonkeyWink::


I know.....Now what too say?
On sooo many levels...I'm probably the last one in a position to state anything profound to all the wonderful Monkeys here.
But as I read today, I saw a misunderstanding start to fester between some of my favorite posters...and I was concerned of the consequences as the day went on.
I'm so glad it has worked out, and for all the right reasons...Justice for Natalee...


AMEN billb!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 12:02:00 AM

Lifesong

The only reason I posted that article was to back up Magnolia's post as far as the Lake Arthur location.  I used the SM search engine ... key word "Lake Arthur" and ... there was the article.  I was not even think about you when I responded to Magnolia's post.

I check back and ... I have always upheld you and the great effort that you have put into a timeline that puts all the happenings into a perspective that the reader can easily grasp.

Janet

+++++++




I believe you, Janet, and I'm sorry - it was my mistake.  I don't/wouldn't blame anyone here if they were suspicious of anyone after all that's happened.  I am myself, so I probably expected it and was therefore oversensitive.

We all know that forums, like email, can sometimes be difficult because we lose important communication cues like tone of voice, body language, etc.  Next time I get to feeling hinky like that, I'll just ask.  And I do agree with KTF about questioning and keeping on track.  There's too much at stake and already too many divisions.

I'm glad it's over and I'm especially glad that wasn't little Hayleigh's body in that dumpster.  I've been back to work since that announcement.

On we go...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 27, 2009, 12:02:41 AM
Thank You TM and 2NJ.....I will not give up....I believe that it is important to find out where those donations went too..... ::MonkeyCool::

Absolutely!!!!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 27, 2009, 12:03:58 AM
Hi, billb....you're here early enough tonight to actually talk to someone.    ::MonkeyWink::


I know.....Now what too say?
On sooo many levels...I'm probably the last one in a position to state anything profound to all the wonderful Monkeys here.
But as I read today, I saw a misunderstanding start to fester between some of my favorite posters...and I was concerned of the consequences as the day went on.
I'm so glad it has worked out, and for all the right reasons...Justice for Natalee...


I think it's all good, now.  I hope so, anyway, and want you to know that I knew you were posting last night/this morning when most had retired....except for TX.  My intent was humor and not to make light of your post tonight.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 27, 2009, 12:04:38 AM
Whew...
I'm glad that's over....
I was afraid I would have to tack onto TM's stacking post and once again...break my own stacking record!!
Monkeys are all about Justice for Natalee!!
The fakers/distractors will always get weeded out...
Thank you all for working misunderstandings out...
I ain't leaving until there is Justice for Natalee.....And I firmly believe all you wonderful Monkeys IS the reason there will be....
Keep on Keeping on!


 ::MonkeyCool:: Hi billb!   ::MonkeyDance::
TM...great Stacks!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::
Our family is whole again.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 12:04:40 AM
Thank You TM and 2NJ.....I will not give up....I believe that it is important to find out where those donations went too..... ::MonkeyCool::

Again.If in fact Tim Trahan has already committed insider trading.Was the P.O Box(donations)a pay-off,and or a part of the incentive for the thumbs down,nothing statement?If it is him on the P.O. Box!UHHH-OHHHH..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 12:08:15 AM
Thank You TM and 2NJ.....I will not give up....I believe that it is important to find out where those donations went too..... ::MonkeyCool::

Again.If in fact Tim Trahan has already committed insider trading.Was the P.O Box(donations)a pay-off,and or a part of the incentive for the thumbs down,nothing statement?If it is him on the P.O. Box!UHHH-OHHHH..
KTF I have had the same thoughts.....I just wonder how much money went to that PO Box...I personally sent all of My Donations Through TES....Thank Goodness!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 12:10:24 AM
The Tim Trahan from KTF's Post from last night about SEC is in MO the same Tim Trahan that did the dive on the trap....As for the PO Box in Kemah I found an address that belonged to Tim Trahan and an address that belonged to Holly J Cooper (one of the PO BOX Holders) that are one and the same the only problem is that I have no idea if They had the address at the same time or if it was in November 2007 when the donations were requested to be sent to the PO Box....I do have one source that is going to try to verify the timeframe for Me but it is not a given that I will get the information.....so at this point in time I can not positively say that this is a match for Trahan and Cooper...I will post more information if and when I get it....I welcome any help that any Monkeys can give on this search....I wish I had something that was a  positive match but right now its just not happening but I will keep trying to verify who held that PO Box in November 2007...I do believe that eventually I will find what We are looking for... ::MonkeyWink:: 

     

Great work!  ::MonkeyCool::
Thanks Wreck...but its not done Yet.....I will be getting more info soon....I Hope and Pray!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 27, 2009, 12:11:31 AM
The Tim Trahan from KTF's Post from last night about SEC is in MO the same Tim Trahan that did the dive on the trap....As for the PO Box in Kemah I found an address that belonged to Tim Trahan and an address that belonged to Holly J Cooper (one of the PO BOX Holders) that are one and the same the only problem is that I have no idea if They had the address at the same time or if it was in November 2007 when the donations were requested to be sent to the PO Box....I do have one source that is going to try to verify the timeframe for Me but it is not a given that I will get the information.....so at this point in time I can not positively say that this is a match for Trahan and Cooper...I will post more information if and when I get it....I welcome any help that any Monkeys can give on this search....I wish I had something that was a  positive match but right now its just not happening but I will keep trying to verify who held that PO Box in November 2007...I do believe that eventually I will find what We are looking for... ::MonkeyWink:: 

     

That's the reason i find the SEC happenings so important.If in fact that is the Tim Trahan that dove on the Trap.That should answer your Question Janet.If he's commited insider trading for what?$8'000 dollars.What would it take for him to give a Thumbs down,nothing in the trap statement?Not much in my opinion!Now we have 2 of the 3 Major players,as our friend CapsLockWizard would say,commiting very serious crimes?So.What would be the incentive to search for Natale Holloway?Where are the pressure points?They are there.... ::MonkeyWink::
KTF...
I totally agree!!
I believe we (your doing the heavy lifting) are in the fact finding stage connecting dots of the associations.....
It is an important stage so that we can recognize the contracts trail when it starts to emerge.
Lifesong collection of facts/events for the timeline (Thanks lifesong!) keeps us focused....and of course, with Janet's no holds barred line of questioning (good thing. ::MonkeyWink::) we are driving towards the truth.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 27, 2009, 12:13:51 AM
Whew...
I'm glad that's over....
I was afraid I would have to tack onto TM's stacking post and once again...break my own stacking record!!
Monkeys are all about Justice for Natalee!!
The fakers/distractors will always get weeded out...
Thank you all for working misunderstandings out...
I ain't leaving until there is Justice for Natalee.....And I firmly believe all you wonderful Monkeys IS the reason there will be....
Keep on Keeping on!


 ::MonkeyCool:: Hi billb!   ::MonkeyDance::
TM...great Stacks!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::
Our family is whole again.... ::MonkeyCool::

Woooohoooo, the suction was tremendous on that one big one; but my determination to make KTF smile, and get him back in here was stronger!!!!!  Thank goodness I didn't have to try it again!!!!!  But I would have, even if my post ended up lost forever among all those quotes!!!!

 ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 27, 2009, 12:14:03 AM
The Tim Trahan from KTF's Post from last night about SEC is in MO the same Tim Trahan that did the dive on the trap....As for the PO Box in Kemah I found an address that belonged to Tim Trahan and an address that belonged to Holly J Cooper (one of the PO BOX Holders) that are one and the same the only problem is that I have no idea if They had the address at the same time or if it was in November 2007 when the donations were requested to be sent to the PO Box....I do have one source that is going to try to verify the timeframe for Me but it is not a given that I will get the information.....so at this point in time I can not positively say that this is a match for Trahan and Cooper...I will post more information if and when I get it....I welcome any help that any Monkeys can give on this search....I wish I had something that was a  positive match but right now its just not happening but I will keep trying to verify who held that PO Box in November 2007...I do believe that eventually I will find what We are looking for... ::MonkeyWink:: 

     

Great work!  ::MonkeyCool::
Thanks Wreck...but its not done Yet.....I will be getting more info soon....I Hope and Pray!  ::MonkeyWink::

Same address and same PO Box is a mighty big coincidence, IMO.  You have done great Hotping.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 27, 2009, 12:15:14 AM
G'nite, all.  Time for me to get some zzz's.  See you later. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 27, 2009, 12:16:25 AM
G'nite, all.  Time for me to get some zzz's.  See you later. 

Goodnight 2NJ!  Thanks for all you do!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 12:16:50 AM


Did everyone else already figure out that the "1 minute of dive time left" on the 30th was probably because they'd already used up the tanks on the previous dive(s) that day - before Dateline was filming?  That thought just hit me while I was reading KTF's post about Trahan getting paid off from the po box donations, and it felt like a revelation of the obvious.  I don't think they would make that up as it testifies to being so unprepared. 

Great job, Hotping!  Thank you!





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 27, 2009, 12:16:52 AM

Lifesong

The only reason I posted that article was to back up Magnolia's post as far as the Lake Arthur location.  I used the SM search engine ... key word "Lake Arthur" and ... there was the article.  I was not even think about you when I responded to Magnolia's post.

I check back and ... I have always upheld you and the great effort that you have put into a timeline that puts all the happenings into a perspective that the reader can easily grasp.

Janet

+++++++




I believe you, Janet, and I'm sorry - it was my mistake.  I don't/wouldn't blame anyone here if they were suspicious of anyone after all that's happened.  I am myself, so I probably expected it and was therefore oversensitive.

We all know that forums, like email, can sometimes be difficult because we lose important communication cues like tone of voice, body language, etc.  Next time I get to feeling hinky like that, I'll just ask.  And I do agree with KTF about questioning and keeping on track.  There's too much at stake and already too many divisions.

I'm glad it's over and I'm especially glad that wasn't little Hayleigh's body in that dumpster.  I've been back to work since that announcement.

On we go...

You are so right!! A forum doesn't let you express facial expressions, tone of voice, or empathy. 95% of my posts are "sarcastic" in nature -- I use this as my way to make a point, but I know I am "mis-read" a lot or am dismissed as not being serious. I have had to "apologize" more than probably anyone here! (We need more emoticons besides the "monkey cool" and monkey wink" ones!) Carry on everyone -- we are all on the same page -- we just get mis-understood sometimes!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 27, 2009, 12:17:20 AM
Hi, billb....you're here early enough tonight to actually talk to someone.    ::MonkeyWink::


I know.....Now what too say?
On sooo many levels...I'm probably the last one in a position to state anything profound to all the wonderful Monkeys here.
But as I read today, I saw a misunderstanding start to fester between some of my favorite posters...and I was concerned of the consequences as the day went on.
I'm so glad it has worked out, and for all the right reasons...Justice for Natalee...


I think it's all good, now.  I hope so, anyway, and want you to know that I knew you were posting last night/this morning when most had retired....except for TX.  My intent was humor and not to make light of your post tonight.   
2NJSons_Mom...
No worries, and certainly no offense taken....
My intent is mostly humor - but with utmost respect for the seriousness of why we are all here.
If we allow misunderstandings to stop our good cause...the bad guys win..
I HATE when the bad guys win, and I'm confident that this is the place where bad guys DON'T win.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 12:19:53 AM
G'nite, all.  Time for me to get some zzz's.  See you later. 

Goodnight 2nj!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 12:20:19 AM
The Tim Trahan from KTF's Post from last night about SEC is in MO the same Tim Trahan that did the dive on the trap....As for the PO Box in Kemah I found an address that belonged to Tim Trahan and an address that belonged to Holly J Cooper (one of the PO BOX Holders) that are one and the same the only problem is that I have no idea if They had the address at the same time or if it was in November 2007 when the donations were requested to be sent to the PO Box....I do have one source that is going to try to verify the timeframe for Me but it is not a given that I will get the information.....so at this point in time I can not positively say that this is a match for Trahan and Cooper...I will post more information if and when I get it....I welcome any help that any Monkeys can give on this search....I wish I had something that was a  positive match but right now its just not happening but I will keep trying to verify who held that PO Box in November 2007...I do believe that eventually I will find what We are looking for... ::MonkeyWink:: 

     

Great work!  ::MonkeyCool::
Thanks Wreck...but its not done Yet.....I will be getting more info soon....I Hope and Pray!  ::MonkeyWink::

Same address and same PO Box is a mighty big coincidence, IMO.  You have done great Hotping.
Thanks Magnolia!  The PO Box did not show for Trahan but a physical address that He had and that Cooper had Matched....Cooper had the PO Box at one time.....so its a Great Possibility  that Cooper and Trahan know each other.....In other words Cooper could have gotten the box in Her name to cover for Trahan....MO... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 12:20:37 AM
G'nite, all.  Time for me to get some zzz's.  See you later. 

Goodnight 2NJ.  Thank you & God Bless.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 27, 2009, 12:20:56 AM
Hi, billb....you're here early enough tonight to actually talk to someone.    ::MonkeyWink::


I know.....Now what too say?
On sooo many levels...I'm probably the last one in a position to state anything profound to all the wonderful Monkeys here.
But as I read today, I saw a misunderstanding start to fester between some of my favorite posters...and I was concerned of the consequences as the day went on.
I'm so glad it has worked out, and for all the right reasons...Justice for Natalee...


I think it's all good, now.  I hope so, anyway, and want you to know that I knew you were posting last night/this morning when most had retired....except for TX.  My intent was humor and not to make light of your post tonight.   
2NJSons_Mom...
No worries, and certainly no offense taken....
My intent is mostly humor - but with utmost respect for the seriousness of why we are all here.
If we allow misunderstandings to stop our good cause...the bad guys win..
I HATE when the bad guys win, and I'm confident that this is the place where bad guys DON'T win.... ::MonkeyCool::

I agree 100% billb!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 27, 2009, 12:20:59 AM

Lifesong

The only reason I posted that article was to back up Magnolia's post as far as the Lake Arthur location.  I used the SM search engine ... key word "Lake Arthur" and ... there was the article.  I was not even think about you when I responded to Magnolia's post.

I check back and ... I have always upheld you and the great effort that you have put into a timeline that puts all the happenings into a perspective that the reader can easily grasp.

Janet

+++++++




I believe you, Janet, and I'm sorry - it was my mistake.  I don't/wouldn't blame anyone here if they were suspicious of anyone after all that's happened.  I am myself, so I probably expected it and was therefore oversensitive.

We all know that forums, like email, can sometimes be difficult because we lose important communication cues like tone of voice, body language, etc.  Next time I get to feeling hinky like that, I'll just ask.  And I do agree with KTF about questioning and keeping on track.  There's too much at stake and already too many divisions.

I'm glad it's over and I'm especially glad that wasn't little Hayleigh's body in that dumpster.  I've been back to work since that announcement.

On we go...

You are so right!! A forum doesn't let you express facial expressions, tone of voice, or empathy. 95% of my posts are "sarcastic" in nature -- I use this as my way to make a point, but I know I am "mis-read" a lot or am dismissed as not being serious. I have had to "apologize" more than probably anyone here! (We need more emoticons besides the "monkey cool" and monkey wink" ones!) Carry on everyone -- we are all on the same page -- we just get mis-understood sometimes!

I love your sarcasism, Wreck.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: bc73 on February 27, 2009, 12:22:07 AM
The Tim Trahan from KTF's Post from last night about SEC is in MO the same Tim Trahan that did the dive on the trap....As for the PO Box in Kemah I found an address that belonged to Tim Trahan and an address that belonged to Holly J Cooper (one of the PO BOX Holders) that are one and the same the only problem is that I have no idea if They had the address at the same time or if it was in November 2007 when the donations were requested to be sent to the PO Box....I do have one source that is going to try to verify the timeframe for Me but it is not a given that I will get the information.....so at this point in time I can not positively say that this is a match for Trahan and Cooper...I will post more information if and when I get it....I welcome any help that any Monkeys can give on this search....I wish I had something that was a  positive match but right now its just not happening but I will keep trying to verify who held that PO Box in November 2007...I do believe that eventually I will find what We are looking for... ::MonkeyWink:: 

     

Great work!  ::MonkeyCool::
Thanks Wreck...but its not done Yet.....I will be getting more info soon....I Hope and Pray!  ::MonkeyWink::

Hotping, I have included a link which may or may not help figuring ownership of the p.o box. I'm not sure if it will help, but I am trying my best to get your answers.  ::MonkeyWink::
http://www.junkfax.org/fax/misc/pobox.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 12:23:00 AM
Good Night 2NJ!


Thanks Lifesong!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 12:24:43 AM
I was looking for something different but came across this and, i do believe the subject has been broached.

2008-10  205423424  LOUIS E SCHAEFER JR FOUNDATION   LOUIS E SCHAEFER  2210 TWIN OAKS BLVD  KEMAH   TX  77565-2153  Private Grantmaking Foundations  


Foundation in Kemah.Coincidence?I don't know.Private grant making?To whom,and to what.Is there anyway of finding out?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 12:25:46 AM
I was looking for something different but came across this and, i do believe the subject has been broached.

2008-10  205423424  LOUIS E SCHAEFER JR FOUNDATION   LOUIS E SCHAEFER  2210 TWIN OAKS BLVD  KEMAH   TX  77565-2153  Private Grantmaking Foundations  


Foundation in Kemah.Coincidence?I don't know.Private grant making?To whom,and to what.Is there anyway of finding out?


Tim Trahan P.O. Box in Kemah??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 12:26:00 AM
The Tim Trahan from KTF's Post from last night about SEC is in MO the same Tim Trahan that did the dive on the trap....As for the PO Box in Kemah I found an address that belonged to Tim Trahan and an address that belonged to Holly J Cooper (one of the PO BOX Holders) that are one and the same the only problem is that I have no idea if They had the address at the same time or if it was in November 2007 when the donations were requested to be sent to the PO Box....I do have one source that is going to try to verify the timeframe for Me but it is not a given that I will get the information.....so at this point in time I can not positively say that this is a match for Trahan and Cooper...I will post more information if and when I get it....I welcome any help that any Monkeys can give on this search....I wish I had something that was a  positive match but right now its just not happening but I will keep trying to verify who held that PO Box in November 2007...I do believe that eventually I will find what We are looking for... ::MonkeyWink:: 

     

Great work!  ::MonkeyCool::
Thanks Wreck...but its not done Yet.....I will be getting more info soon....I Hope and Pray!  ::MonkeyWink::

Hotping, I have included a link which may or may not help figuring ownership of the p.o box. I'm not sure if it will help, but I am trying my best to get your answers.  ::MonkeyWink::
http://www.junkfax.org/fax/misc/pobox.htm
Thank You bc73...I Really appreciate the help.....I will let You know if I find anything! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 27, 2009, 12:29:30 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 27, 2009, 12:30:04 AM
The Tim Trahan from KTF's Post from last night about SEC is in MO the same Tim Trahan that did the dive on the trap....As for the PO Box in Kemah I found an address that belonged to Tim Trahan and an address that belonged to Holly J Cooper (one of the PO BOX Holders) that are one and the same the only problem is that I have no idea if They had the address at the same time or if it was in November 2007 when the donations were requested to be sent to the PO Box....I do have one source that is going to try to verify the timeframe for Me but it is not a given that I will get the information.....so at this point in time I can not positively say that this is a match for Trahan and Cooper...I will post more information if and when I get it....I welcome any help that any Monkeys can give on this search....I wish I had something that was a  positive match but right now its just not happening but I will keep trying to verify who held that PO Box in November 2007...I do believe that eventually I will find what We are looking for... ::MonkeyWink:: 

     

Great work!  ::MonkeyCool::
Thanks Wreck...but its not done Yet.....I will be getting more info soon....I Hope and Pray!  ::MonkeyWink::

Same address and same PO Box is a mighty big coincidence, IMO.  You have done great Hotping.
Thanks Magnolia!  The PO Box did not show for Trahan but a physical address that He had and that Cooper had Matched....Cooper had the PO Box at one time.....so its a Great Possibility  that Cooper and Trahan know each other.....In other words Cooper could have gotten the box in Her name to cover for Trahan....MO... ::MonkeyWink::
Hotping...I think this is an important piece to the puzzle. Thank you for doing the work necessary to track this down.
If Tim Trahan can be tied to contributions for the search...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 27, 2009, 12:34:06 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/ScreenShot003a.jpg)

TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 27, 2009, 12:36:34 AM
I've got to call it a night, busy day tomorrow...trying to get everything I usually get done in 5 days in 2 this week!

Keep on digging Monkeys!!!!!  Thanks for all your hard work!!!!!
 
Goodnight everyone!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: bc73 on February 27, 2009, 12:36:39 AM
Hotping, as ridiculous as that link is, providing court orders and such to find "real" ownership of p.o boxes, not all is true. Inexperience and quality people sometimes can or will provide information, solidifying your findings. Here is a start (281) 474-2222,(281) 334-3883,(281) 557-0781. Doesn't hurt to ask now, does it?  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 12:37:19 AM
I've got to call it a night, busy day tomorrow...trying to get everything I usually get done in 5 days in 2 this week!

Keep on digging Monkeys!!!!!  Thanks for all your hard work!!!!!
 
Goodnight everyone!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Goodnight TM..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 27, 2009, 12:37:36 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%204/02272009AweMaintaPg32_2.jpg)
Hans Mos reminds me of "Rick Astley"!    ::MonkeyHaHa::  (I know that is obscure -- some of you may appreciate that!)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 12:37:49 AM
bc73.....Very interesting link You provided.....Thank You.....My understanding now is that if the Po Box belongs to a business the PO will tell who it is but if it is an individual They will not tell You because of privacy laws....  ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 12:40:50 AM
The Tim Trahan from KTF's Post from last night about SEC is in MO the same Tim Trahan that did the dive on the trap....As for the PO Box in Kemah I found an address that belonged to Tim Trahan and an address that belonged to Holly J Cooper (one of the PO BOX Holders) that are one and the same the only problem is that I have no idea if They had the address at the same time or if it was in November 2007 when the donations were requested to be sent to the PO Box....I do have one source that is going to try to verify the timeframe for Me but it is not a given that I will get the information.....so at this point in time I can not positively say that this is a match for Trahan and Cooper...I will post more information if and when I get it....I welcome any help that any Monkeys can give on this search....I wish I had something that was a  positive match but right now its just not happening but I will keep trying to verify who held that PO Box in November 2007...I do believe that eventually I will find what We are looking for... ::MonkeyWink:: 

     

Great work!  ::MonkeyCool::
Thanks Wreck...but its not done Yet.....I will be getting more info soon....I Hope and Pray!  ::MonkeyWink::

Same address and same PO Box is a mighty big coincidence, IMO.  You have done great Hotping.
Thanks Magnolia!  The PO Box did not show for Trahan but a physical address that He had and that Cooper had Matched....Cooper had the PO Box at one time.....so its a Great Possibility  that Cooper and Trahan know each other.....In other words Cooper could have gotten the box in Her name to cover for Trahan....MO... ::MonkeyWink::
Hotping...I think this is an important piece to the puzzle. Thank you for doing the work necessary to track this down.
If Tim Trahan can be tied to contributions for the search...
You're Welcome billb..... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 12:42:31 AM
Quote
Aruban Dutch controversy

Published: Thursday 26 February 2009 09:20 UTC
Last updated: Thursday 26 February 2009 09:20 UTC

Kingdom Relations Minister Ank Bijleveld has lashed out at Aruban Justice Minister Rudy Croes for leaking confidential information. The autonomous island of Aruba forms part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. A weekly report drawn up by the Dutch representation there clearly stated its contents were confidential.

In the report, a national security service official wrote that the brother of Minister Croes was responsible for Aruba's increasingly anti-Dutch policy. The document sparked widespread controversy, and the Aruban government demanded the withdrawal of the Dutch national security service official in question.

However, in a letter to parliament, Minister Bijleveld writes she has no intention of complying with the Aruban demand, and says she is concerned about corruption in Aruba and possible conflicts of interests. She also points out that the report was not the official opinion of the Dutch representation.

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/zijlijn/6192217/Aruban-Dutch-controversy

funny thing is that the report precisely is about corruption in Aruba and possible conflicts of interests.
she says it is not the official opinion of the Dutch representation, but does seem to agree with it anyway.  ::MonkeyHaHa::



caesu,

I am assuming that Rudy Croes is trying to expel Mos not because he thinks Mos actually involved in the spying/memo scandal but as a formal protest the way a governement will usually expel a foreign diplomat?

So I wonder how he selected Mos for that purpose? 

Do you think it is because Mos is not going along with something Rudy wants like perhaps investigating Jan van der Straten?  Or did Rudy just pick a Dutchie at random?

Edit to fix spacing.


BUMPING in the hopes that caesu will see this question about Mos...

Great question, Anna, thanks.  I think that makes a lot more sense than Mos getting caught ratting out Croes' corruption.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 12:42:47 AM
Good Night TM.......I'm not far behind You these Monkey eyes are getting very tired...lol....

Good Night All!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 12:43:50 AM
I've got to call it a night, busy day tomorrow...trying to get everything I usually get done in 5 days in 2 this week!

Keep on digging Monkeys!!!!!  Thanks for all your hard work!!!!!
 
Goodnight everyone!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Goodnight TM.  Thank you & God Bless.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 27, 2009, 01:05:36 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 01:06:25 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 01:08:23 AM
I was looking for something different but came across this and, i do believe the subject has been broached.

2008-10  205423424  LOUIS E SCHAEFER JR FOUNDATION   LOUIS E SCHAEFER  2210 TWIN OAKS BLVD  KEMAH   TX  77565-2153  Private Grantmaking Foundations  


Foundation in Kemah.Coincidence?I don't know.Private grant making?To whom,and to what.Is there anyway of finding out?

I just thought I was going to bed...My body is tired but My mind is wide awake....lol

I took a look at Harris County TX Appraisal records and look what I found I wonder what Vehicles means.... You might be able to read it better if You go to the link...it did not copy over well...


Tax Year:  2008 2007 2006 2005
 HARRIS COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT
PERSONAL PROPERTY ACCOUNT INFORMATION
2027955 Print E-mail 

 
 
Owner and Property Information 
Owner Name &
Mailing Address: SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL, LLC
520 POST OAK BLVD STE 320
HOUSTON  TX  77027-9498
 
 Property Address: 9302 LAMBRIGHT RD
77075-3214 
Description: Vehicles
 
 
State Class Code Property Type
L1 -- Tangible, Commercial T -- Vehicles
SIC Code Square Ft Key Map®
0002 -- VEHICLE(S) ONLY -- 575R

 
Value Status Information
Value Status Notice Date
Noticed 7/18/2008

 
Exemptions and Jurisdictions
Exemption Type Districts Jurisdictions ARB Status 2007 Rate 2008 Rate Online Tax Bill
None 021 PASADENA ISD Supplemental: 11/21/2008 1.35000 1.35000 
040 HARRIS COUNTY Supplemental: 11/21/2008 0.39239 0.38923 View 
041 HARRIS CO FLOOD CNTRL Supplemental: 11/21/2008 0.03106 0.03086 
042 PORT OF HOUSTON AUTHY Supplemental: 11/21/2008 0.01437 0.01773 
043 HARRIS CO HOSP DIST Supplemental: 11/21/2008 0.19216 0.19216 
044 HARRIS CO EDUC DEPT Supplemental: 11/21/2008 0.00585 0.00584 
047 SAN JACINTO COM COL D Supplemental: 11/21/2008 0.14537 0.16341 
061 CITY OF HOUSTON Supplemental: 11/21/2008 0.64375 0.63875 
 
Valuations
2007 Value 2008 Value 
Total Appraised 94,572 85,115
Value Detail
Category 2007 Value 2008 Value
Aircraft 0 0
Vessels 0 0
Inventory 0 0
Supplies 0 0
Raw Materials 0 0
Work In Progress 0 0
Furniture and Fixtures 0 0
Machinery and Other Equipment 0 0
Computers 0 0
Leasehold Improvements 0 0
Vehicles 94,572 85,115
Miscellaneous 0 0

 
Home | Record Search | Forms

 http://www.hcad.org/records/personal/details.asp?taxyear=2008&ppt=T&acct=2027955%20%20%20%20%20
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 01:17:03 AM
In the court documents for the class-action.Schaefer was accused of of using company money to pay for his ex-wives cars.I believe they even mentioned her wrecking them??Would have to find the link again to verify!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 27, 2009, 01:19:20 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%204/02272009AweMaintaPg32_2.jpg)
Hans Mos reminds me of "Rick Astley"!    ::MonkeyHaHa::  (I know that is obscure -- some of you may appreciate that!)
Wreck....Had to come back for this...
It cracks me up!
Is this Ricks song to paulass?
 ::MonkeyEek::
Never going to give you up....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI

You see,my humor is often questioned....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 01:21:56 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%204/02272009AweMaintaPg32_2.jpg)
Hans Mos reminds me of "Rick Astley"!    ::MonkeyHaHa::  (I know that is obscure -- some of you may appreciate that!)
Wreck....Had to come back for this...
It cracks me up!
Is this Ricks song to paulass?
 ::MonkeyEek::
Never going to give you up....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI

You see,my humor is often questioned....

Are you reminiscing again BillB?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 27, 2009, 01:22:39 AM
Good night hotping, Keepthefaith, wreck, Lifesong, ospainter, bc73 and 6 Guests are viewing this topic.


Goodnight Billb.Huskies Arizona St in OT!!
Who won? missed it... ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 01:24:16 AM
Good night hotping, Keepthefaith, wreck, Lifesong, ospainter, bc73 and 6 Guests are viewing this topic.


Goodnight Billb.Huskies Arizona St in OT!!
Who won? missed it... ::MonkeyWaa::

Huskies won in OT!Back on topic...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 27, 2009, 01:24:58 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%204/02272009AweMaintaPg32_2.jpg)
Hans Mos reminds me of "Rick Astley"!    ::MonkeyHaHa::  (I know that is obscure -- some of you may appreciate that!)
Wreck....Had to come back for this...
It cracks me up!
Is this Ricks song to paulass?
 ::MonkeyEek::
Never going to give you up....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI

You see,my humor is often questioned....

Are you reminiscing again BillB?
I am...
Good night KTF...
I appreciate all you do for Natalee and family....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 01:25:00 AM
KTF and Lifesong Do We already know about this business

http://www.hcad.org/Records/Personal/Details.asp?taxyear=2008&ppt=A&acct=0940513


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 27, 2009, 01:25:50 AM
Good night hotping, Keepthefaith, wreck, Lifesong, ospainter, bc73 and 6 Guests are viewing this topic.


Goodnight Billb.Huskies Arizona St in OT!!
Who won? missed it... ::MonkeyWaa::
Good deal...21 beats 14...

Huskies won in OT!Back on topic...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 01:29:50 AM
There is a Lincoln Mercury Dealer in Baytown Tx named Superior Lincoln Mercury Inc on the HCAD Detail Sheet it also says Vehicles which makes sense so maybe Schaefer owns a bunch of Vehicles like in Car Dealer...... ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.hcad.org/Records/Personal/Details.asp?taxyear=2008&ppt=A&acct=0940513


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 01:30:15 AM
KTF and Lifesong Do We already know about this business

http://www.hcad.org/Records/Personal/Details.asp?taxyear=2008&ppt=A&acct=0940513

I thought it was a part of Superior offshore?That is a bizarre one in terms of vehicles.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 01:37:16 AM
What i've been trying to find out is...Relationship between these three..

Superior Energy

R Joshua Koch

Louis Schaefer Jr


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 27, 2009, 01:47:53 AM
What i've been trying to find out is...Relationship between these three..

Superior Energy

R Joshua Koch

Louis Schaefer Jr

Form of Employment Agreement - R. Joshua Koch, JR.
Parties:    
Superior Offshore International
Sectors:    Energy
Governing Law:     Texas

Exhibit 10.4 EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT THIS EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT (" Agreement" ) is made by and between Superior Offshore International, Inc., a Delaware corporation (" Company" ), and R. Joshua Koch (" Executive" ).

The foregoing notwithstanding, the parties recognize and agree that Executive may (i) serve as a Manager of Schaefer Holdings GP, LLC, a Texas limited liability company and general partner of Schaefer Holdings, LP, a Texas limited partnership...

http://www.techagreements.com/agreement-preview.aspx?num=334582&title=Superior%20Offshore%20International%20-%20Form%20of%20Employment%20Agreement%20-%20R.%20Joshua%20Koch,%20JR.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 01:51:56 AM
I feel so bad.  I never meant to offend Keepthefaith.  Hey ... he has been my rock on the forum as far as support.

I do not know what else I can say.  I just do not know how to make things right.

Janet





Tamikosmom.You will never offend me with your questions!I was a little confused.Sometimes i'm just as confused with some of this corporate stuff as you are.I think you've hit the nail on the head in terms of the whole Persistence thing.I'm just trying to identify incentives,as you would say!I believe exposing the way they think business wise will lead us to more then we think.From Corporations,subsidiaries,Non-profits to where and whom they did,do,as well as who,they'll work with in the future will be telling!JMOO

If i don't hear from you before you go.Enjoy the Emerald City and the Lion King! ::MonkeyWink::

The Girl stands with you Janet! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 01:55:47 AM
What i've been trying to find out is...Relationship between these three..

Superior Energy

R Joshua Koch

Louis Schaefer Jr

If you can BillB.Try to find the link between Louis and  R joshua Koch  directly to Superior Energy.

http://www.superiorenergy.com/about/leadership/

They do business Worldwide.Check out where they do business.Again.I will find the link that connects them relationship wise.It's somewhere in my previous posts but i'm just trying to find the link!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 01:59:58 AM
What i've been trying to find out is...Relationship between these three..

Superior Energy

R Joshua Koch

Louis Schaefer Jr
I wonder if this is the same R Joshua Koch


Texas Attorneys Detail

Name
R. Joshua Koch Jr. License Number
00786933 Status
 Address 1
 
Address 2
 City-State-ZIP Code
 Phone
 Practice Location
METAIRIE , Louisiana
Issue Date
Sep 17 1993 Firm
No information reported by attorney Firm Size
Solo Occupation
In-House/Corporate Counsel
Primary Practice Areas
No information reported by attorney School
University Of Oklahoma Graduation Date
 Degree
Doctor of Jurisprudence/Juris Doctor (J.D.)




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 27, 2009, 02:00:03 AM
What i've been trying to find out is...Relationship between these three..

Superior Energy

R Joshua Koch

Louis Schaefer Jr

If you can BillB.Try to find the link between Louis and  R joshua Koch  directly to Superior Energy.

http://www.superiorenergy.com/about/leadership/

They do business Worldwide.Check out where they do business.Again.I will find the link that connects them relationship wise.It's somewhere in my previous posts but i'm just trying to find the link!
Yep..
Found superiorenergy.com, then  reread your post....
I'll look further.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 02:02:36 AM
Hotping.We know louis E Schaefer and R joshua Koch.Can we get them directly connected to Superior energy??Been trying but can't find anything so far!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 02:15:57 AM
BillB.HotPing.This is where i got that thought process from!Check this link out and look at the relationships to Superior energy.Considering where they do business.It would be interesting!

http://www.marketvisual.com/DirectProfile.aspx?ID=af9c3889-2144-4b60-9b17-b34fa5b78331


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 02:18:49 AM
BillB.HotPing.This is where i got that thought process from!Check this link out and look at the relationships to Superior energy.Considering where they do business.It would be interesting!

http://www.marketvisual.com/DirectProfile.aspx?ID=af9c3889-2144-4b60-9b17-b34fa5b78331


Entities Related to Superior Energy Services Inc
 
Top 16 of 79 entities related to Superior Energy Services Inc. Search list by name:
Retrieving... 
  Map Robert S Taylor and Superior Energy Services Inc's 8 relationships 
  Map David Weinhoffer  and Superior Energy Services Inc's 8 relationships 
  Map Lynton G Cook III and Superior Energy Services Inc's 8 relationships 
  Map KENNETH BLANCHARD and Superior Energy Services Inc's 7 relationships 
  Map A Patrick Bernard and Superior Energy Services Inc's 7 relationships 
  Map R Joshua Koch Jr  and Superior Energy Services Inc's 7 relationships 
  Map Terence E Hall and Superior Energy Services Inc's 7 relationships 
  Map James Persky and Superior Energy Services Inc's 6 relationships 
  Map E Donald Terry and Superior Energy Services Inc's 6 relationships 
  Map Richard A Pattarozzi and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 
  Map James J Mermis  and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 
  Map Louis E Schaefer Jr and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 
  Map James M Funk and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 
  Map Harold J Bouillion and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 
  Map John F Guarisco and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 
  Map Enoch L Dawkins and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 02:24:52 AM
Goodnight billb and KTF!

My Eyes are starting to Cross gotta go for Now.... ::MonkeyEek::



JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 02:26:30 AM
Goodnight billb and KTF!

My Eyes are starting to Cross gotta go for Now.... ::MonkeyEek::



JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!

Goodnight HotPing!Thanx for all you do.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 02:27:26 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH




P.S...............I HATE EM ALL........... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 27, 2009, 02:57:53 AM
Quote
Aruban Dutch controversy

Published: Thursday 26 February 2009 09:20 UTC
Last updated: Thursday 26 February 2009 09:20 UTC

Kingdom Relations Minister Ank Bijleveld has lashed out at Aruban Justice Minister Rudy Croes for leaking confidential information. The autonomous island of Aruba forms part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. A weekly report drawn up by the Dutch representation there clearly stated its contents were confidential.

In the report, a national security service official wrote that the brother of Minister Croes was responsible for Aruba's increasingly anti-Dutch policy. The document sparked widespread controversy, and the Aruban government demanded the withdrawal of the Dutch national security service official in question.

However, in a letter to parliament, Minister Bijleveld writes she has no intention of complying with the Aruban demand, and says she is concerned about corruption in Aruba and possible conflicts of interests. She also points out that the report was not the official opinion of the Dutch representation.

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/zijlijn/6192217/Aruban-Dutch-controversy

funny thing is that the report precisely is about corruption in Aruba and possible conflicts of interests.
she says it is not the official opinion of the Dutch representation, but does seem to agree with it anyway.  ::MonkeyHaHa::



caesu,

I am assuming that Rudy Croes is trying to expel Mos not because he thinks Mos actually involved in the spying/memo scandal but as a formal protest the way a governement will usually expel a foreign diplomat?

So I wonder how he selected Mos for that purpose? 

Do you think it is because Mos is not going along with something Rudy wants like perhaps investigating Jan van der Straten?  Or did Rudy just pick a Dutchie at random?

Edit to fix spacing.

Rudy Croes is paranoid and hates everything Dutch.

in his written comments about the VNO-report he alleges that the AVP is working together with the CDA to oust the MEP in the election this September. both AVP and CDA are christian-democrat parties.
CDA is a governing party, prime-minister Balkenende, justice-minister Ballin and State-Secretary Bijleveld are of this party.

this leaked VNO-report confirmed his paranoia. it must have totally set him off in a mad rage.

about the firing of Mos. this is only alleged by one Dutch newspaper.
it is been denied by Aruba government and by Mos. but Croes himself hasn't commented in this.

however the timeline is interesting.

January 15th: date of VNO-report
http://www.nrc.nl/multimedia/archive/00205/week_3_1__205580a.pdf

(following dates can be a day off, because an article appears of course often a day later)

February 2nd/3rd: Chairman board of Dutch PG's Harm Brouwer is on Aruba and offers Mos a choice between two jobs in The Netherlands.
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_52476.php

February 4th: Rudy Croes makes VNO-report public. accuses the Dutch of espionage.
wants a apology from the Dutch and the writers of the VNO-report to leave Aruba.
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52415.php - in English

February 6th: public prosecutors Mos and Van der Schaf fired (according to Trouw newspaper).
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52496.php - in English

February 6th: Oduber wants AIVD (Dutch intelligence service) to leave Aruba.
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52435.php

February 7th: Aruba minister plenipotary Frido Croes denies Mos and Van der Schaft are fired because of VNO-report.
Hans Mos himself also denies this.
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52513.php

February 11th: Croes echoes demand of Oduber for AIVD to leave Aruba and wants the Dutch government to publically apologize for the VNO-report

February 25th: Bijleveld criticizes Croes for making the VNO-report public, says the AIVD won't leave and brings up her concern about corruption and cronyism on Aruba. no apology!!
Bijleveld also want to have talks with Oduber about the judiciary, because Aruba is no co-operating about the Higher Court, this worries her too.
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53179.php
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53178.php

February 26th: Aruba announces that it will co-operate again. under condition that its autonomy is respected.
Croes is tired of Aruba being the scape goat all the time and brings up the VNO-report again.
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53232.php

February 26th: Croes is not amused with the response from Bijleveld.
continues to demand an apology and wants the writers of the VNO-report to leave Aruba.
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53233.php

(in the meantime the Dutch parliament is asking Bijleveld questions and is not satisfied with her answers)
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52592.php - in English

now i ask why did Croes make the VNO-report public the day after Mos got these two job offered while the VNO-report is by then already 2 weeks old?
i assume that when such a report is leaked this gets immediately passed on to the paranoid Rudy Croes.

before March 1st Mos will decide which of the two jobs he is going to take.

next week March 4th a debate about this with Bijleveld in a parlamentairy committee.
http://www.tweedekamer.nl/vergaderingen/commissievergaderingen/per_commissie/details.jsp?parlisnummer=2009A00346&dayofweek=&his=
that's going to be a very difficult debate.
i wouldn't be surprised if there is a major shift in the attitude towards Aruba.
already Bijleveld is giving out such sign by to giving in to Aruba's demands, in fact doing the opposite.

on the other islands there are also plenty of problems about the kingdom reforms.
when the debate was planned Aruba wasn't even on the agenda. and now it has 3 items added.
Quote
7.   Aruba
31700-30 d.d. 10 februari 2009
8.   Reactie op verzoek Agema over dat de minister van Justitie van Aruba AIVD-ers uit wil zetten
31700-32 d.d. 19 februari 2009
9.   Aruba, weekbericht vertegenwoordiging
31700-33 d.d. 24 februari 2009


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on February 27, 2009, 07:18:08 AM
Thank you caesu for explaining this in detail with a timeline.

Excerpting this comment from you.....

i wouldn't be surprised if there is a major shift in the attitude towards Aruba.
already Bijleveld is giving out such sign by to giving in to Aruba's demands, in fact doing the opposite.


If there is a shift, what real and vivid consequences would there be? Would Croes and Oduber be at risk of losing their power?

I so hope your answer to that is yes.......and that it would be soon.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 27, 2009, 07:37:56 AM
 ::MonkeyEek::


I was going to enjoy the exciting all new episode of Burn Notice last night but I made the mistake of taking my shower first which always puts me to sleep.

Next thing I know, it is 3 a.m. so just stumble to bed and did not even log off.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Glad all monkeys are present and accounted for this morning, however.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 27, 2009, 07:43:48 AM
caesu,

Yes, thank you for keeping us up on this power struggle or infighting or whatever it is that Rudy Croes is doing.

Do you think he thinks Mos directly contributed to the allegations in the leaked report?  Or is Croes just striking out randomly at any Dutch he can?

With the replacement of Mos, we get yet another new person who will not be up to speed on the investigation into Natalee's disappearance.  The ALE in charge might as well have had a revolving door for the number of changes as to who was in charge it has changed so often.

What Rudy Croes seems to really want is all Arubans in all positions.  I wonder who he wants for OM now if Mos is leaving?





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 27, 2009, 08:02:37 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 27, 2009, 08:51:17 AM
Hotping - you had asked about Superior Diving.


Yes, we knew about it.  But it is a bit convoluted.

Superior Diving/Superior Offshore seem to be interchangeable, with Superior Offshore having been the prevalent name used in recent years.

Until the class action suit - since then, we noticed the name Superior Diving had re-surfaced, and was being used again.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 09:07:27 AM


Hendrik Croes is very active in the promotion of business interests on Bonaire and Curacao (Aruba and, of course). Netherlands (which increasingly demands transparency of governance) is not used. The MEP will be the next time on ramkoers Holland go on the instructions of Hendrik Croes.

The political game with the Netherlands by Henry with the following players and roles filled:

Nel Oduber is moderately cooperative and ever apologized for the behavior of Rudy Croes in the Netherlands. Bano Lopez makes the line with Justice, the Netherlands and in particular  the Minister of Justice and remains open, the Aruban ideas about spotlight. Henry is always in the background but is of course architect of the game. Note that with Oduber consider the strategy. This is therefore an active player and not a victim. Rudy plays the ramkoers role and set the tone in order to focus on the heritage of Betico to monitor and thus keep the electorate happy. Minister Wever feeds the nationalist sentiments of the electorate. Edward Son of Henry, Edward Croes is an advisor to the Minister and carry out the more "physical" role: he harasses people in the Croes-faction direction, together with Oduber's son (who recently against all advice of the Police Corps Aruba got a gun permit).  The PG is the oil man: he pursues public to cooperate, his minister called an initiated projectile and enter the meantime the plans of Henry from.  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 09:09:04 AM


Hendrik Croes is very active in the promotion of business interests on Bonaire and Curacao (Aruba and, of course). Netherlands (which increasingly demands transparency of governance) is not used. The MEP will be the next time on ramkoers Holland go on the instructions of Hendrik Croes.

The political game with the Netherlands by Henry with the following players and roles filled:

Nel Oduber is moderately cooperative and ever apologized for the behavior of Rudy Croes in the Netherlands. Bano Lopez makes the line with Justice, the Netherlands and in particular  the Minister of Justice and remains open, the Aruban ideas about spotlight. Henry is always in the background but is of course architect of the game. Note that with Oduber consider the strategy. This is therefore an active player and not a victim. Rudy plays the ramkoers role and set the tone in order to focus on the heritage of Betico to monitor and thus keep the electorate happy. Minister Wever feeds the nationalist sentiments of the electorate. Edward Son of Henry, Edward Croes is an advisor to the Minister and carry out the more "physical" role: he harasses people in the Croes-faction direction, together with Oduber's son (who recently against all advice of the Police Corps Aruba got a gun permit).  The PG is the oil man: he pursues public to cooperate, his minister called an initiated projectile and enter the meantime the plans of Henry from.  


Edit to add:  This is taken from the leaked VNO report, run through a Google translator.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 27, 2009, 09:14:08 AM
For the Holly J Cooper/Tim Trahan address thing...............

I don't have any idea if this is 'the' Holly J Cooper - but maybe a run of her businesses to see if they tie into any of Schaefer or Silvetti's businesses would be a good idea?

Holly J Cooper Recall Attorney
18333 Egret Bay Blvd Ste 270
Houston, TX 77058 Map
•   (281) 335-3600

AKA
•  Ulysses Systems Inc., Holly J Cooper-Recall ATTORNEY AT TITLE, Eisystems Corp, Atrium Crest Executive Suites, Acsia Insurance Agency


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 27, 2009, 09:23:25 AM


Hendrik Croes is very active in the promotion of business interests on Bonaire and Curacao (Aruba and, of course). Netherlands (which increasingly demands transparency of governance) is not used. The MEP will be the next time on ramkoers Holland go on the instructions of Hendrik Croes.

The political game with the Netherlands by Henry with the following players and roles filled:

Nel Oduber is moderately cooperative and ever apologized for the behavior of Rudy Croes in the Netherlands. Bano Lopez makes the line with Justice, the Netherlands and in particular  the Minister of Justice and remains open, the Aruban ideas about spotlight. Henry is always in the background but is of course architect of the game. Note that with Oduber consider the strategy. This is therefore an active player and not a victim. Rudy plays the ramkoers role and set the tone in order to focus on the heritage of Betico to monitor and thus keep the electorate happy. Minister Wever feeds the nationalist sentiments of the electorate. Edward Son of Henry, Edward Croes is an advisor to the Minister and carry out the more "physical" role: he harasses people in the Croes-faction direction, together with Oduber's son (who recently against all advice of the Police Corps Aruba got a gun permit).  The PG is the oil man: he pursues public to cooperate, his minister called an initiated projectile and enter the meantime the plans of Henry from.  


Edit to add:  This is taken from the leaked VNO report, run through a Google translator.


Who holds the office of PG now?  Would that be Pieterz?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 27, 2009, 09:32:41 AM
I believe so Anna.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 27, 2009, 09:37:45 AM
For the Holly J Cooper/Tim Trahan address thing...............

I don't have any idea if this is 'the' Holly J Cooper - but maybe a run of her businesses to see if they tie into any of Schaefer or Silvetti's businesses would be a good idea?

Holly J Cooper Recall Attorney
18333 Egret Bay Blvd Ste 270
Houston, TX 77058 Map
•   (281) 335-3600

AKA
•  Ulysses Systems Inc., Holly J Cooper-Recall ATTORNEY AT TITLE, Eisystems Corp, Atrium Crest Executive Suites, Acsia Insurance Agency


Ulysses Systems Inc  has partnerships with oil & ship exchange companies, as listed on their website.

http://www.ulysses-systems.com/logos.asp


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 27, 2009, 09:43:18 AM
For the Holly J Cooper/Tim Trahan address thing...............

I don't have any idea if this is 'the' Holly J Cooper - but maybe a run of her businesses to see if they tie into any of Schaefer or Silvetti's businesses would be a good idea?

Holly J Cooper Recall Attorney
18333 Egret Bay Blvd Ste 270
Houston, TX 77058 Map
•   (281) 335-3600

AKA
•  Ulysses Systems Inc., Holly J Cooper-Recall ATTORNEY AT TITLE, Eisystems Corp, Atrium Crest Executive Suites, Acsia Insurance Agency


Ulysses Systems Inc  has partnerships with oil & ship exchange companies, as listed on their website.

http://www.ulysses-systems.com/logos.asp

And this is the type of software they provide:

Create Ship Working Model


Available to the Technical Superintendent in the office who is responsible for overseeing the correct set-up of the maintenance system for each vessel in the company
Maintenance components can be added from the Company Component List to individual ships. When a component is added to a ship, all the activities and spares are added, thus reducing the amount of repetitive work required when setting up several vessels.
Spares and activities can be assigned to the ship maintenance components and are included in the maintenance scheduler.
The hierarchical representation of the maintenance component tree defined during the task will be used during the context navigator for the ship and office-based systems.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 27, 2009, 09:44:59 AM
For the Holly J Cooper/Tim Trahan address thing...............

I don't have any idea if this is 'the' Holly J Cooper - but maybe a run of her businesses to see if they tie into any of Schaefer or Silvetti's businesses would be a good idea?

Holly J Cooper Recall Attorney
18333 Egret Bay Blvd Ste 270
Houston, TX 77058 Map
•   (281) 335-3600

AKA
•  Ulysses Systems Inc., Holly J Cooper-Recall ATTORNEY AT TITLE, Eisystems Corp, Atrium Crest Executive Suites, Acsia Insurance Agency


Ulysses Systems Inc  has partnerships with oil & ship exchange companies, as listed on their website.

http://www.ulysses-systems.com/logos.asp

And this is the type of software they provide:

Create Ship Working Model


Available to the Technical Superintendent in the office who is responsible for overseeing the correct set-up of the maintenance system for each vessel in the company
Maintenance components can be added from the Company Component List to individual ships. When a component is added to a ship, all the activities and spares are added, thus reducing the amount of repetitive work required when setting up several vessels.
Spares and activities can be assigned to the ship maintenance components and are included in the maintenance scheduler.
The hierarchical representation of the maintenance component tree defined during the task will be used during the context navigator for the ship and office-based systems.

ETA:

Ulysses was established in 1996 by people who have worked together in the shipping industry for over fifteen years. Ulysses seeks to provide business technological services to the marine industry based upon advanced telecommunications and information systems that help people work intuitively without special software training, and make information processing fundamentally more efficient.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 27, 2009, 09:47:26 AM
 ::MonkeyEek::

Isn't this the company that was awarded/maybe not yet awarded the harbor relocation for Aruba:

Ulysses Systems works with some of the world's leading ship management and ship owning companies - for example:

AEGEAN BULK Co. Inc. Greece

ANDRIAKI SHIPPING CO. LTD. Greece 

ARCADIA SHIPMANAGEMENT, Greece

ATHENIAN SEA CARRIERS, Greece 

BOURBON OFFSHORE, France

CARDIFF MARINE INC., Greece

CLAUS- PETER OFFEN TANKSSCHIFFREEDEREI, Germany

CHELLARAM, Hong Kong.

DIORYX MARITIME CORPORATION, Greece

HALKIDON SHIPPING CORP. Greece

HORIZON LINES, USA

EITZEN GROUP, World Wide   

EURONAV SHIP MANAGEMENT (HELLAS)LTD., Greece

EXMAR, Belgium

FAIRMONT SHIPPING (Canada) Ltd., Canada

GREENPEACE, The Netherlands

GWF, Belgium

IINO MARINE SERVICES, Japan

IONIA SHIPMANAGEMENT S.A., Greece

INTERNATIONAL TANKER MANAGEMENT LTD.Dubai, Oslo, Germany, Singapore, Mumbai

JOHN T.ESSBERGER GmbH & Co KG, Germany 

KLSM (K-Line), Japan

KRISTEN MARINE S.A , Greece

LIQUIMAR TANKER MANAGEMENT, Greece

LOWER LAKES TOWING LTD, Canada

McKEIL MARINE LTD, Canada

MARITIME PERFORMANCES B.V, The Netherlands  

NAFTOMAR SHIPPING & TRADING Co Ltd, Greece

NEW ASIAN SHIPPING COMPANY LTD. (NASHK),           Hong Kong

ORIENT LINE Co. LTD., Japan

PIONEER TANKERS, Greece

TOMASOS BROTHERS INC., Greece

TOP TANKERS MANAGEMENT INC., Greece
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 27, 2009, 09:49:01 AM
 ::MonkeyTongue::

Anyone want to ask them who their investors are?

 

Ulysses Systems has been successful in obtaining substantial seed capital from a number of private investors, investment funds and investment trusts. This combined with ongoing sales and research funding from the European commission makes Ulysses Systems a well-funded enterprise.

For additional investor information, please contact us at:
Phone: +1 734 632 8493
Email: investor@ulysses-systems.com


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 27, 2009, 09:54:12 AM
Atrium Crest Executive Suites

The Cost Effective Alternative for Permanent or Temporary Plans:
The Executive Office Suite concept is the perfect way for the small businessperson, attorney, medical professional, entrepreneur, or local rep of a larger organization, to establish a local business presence in a fast, economical and effective way in premium office space. 

We offer rental of private offices (furnished or unfurnished), a comfortable waiting room, receptionist, secretarial assistance, modern telephone system including voice mail that is accessible 24 hours a day from outside the building, Hi-Speed Internet and conference room facilities. 

All office related needs are handled by our staff and all major equipment and amenities are in place.

http://www.atriumcrest.com/

************
You can rent office space or conference room, use their furnishings & staff hourly, daily, weekly. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 27, 2009, 09:59:27 AM
Atrium Crest Executive Suites

The Cost Effective Alternative for Permanent or Temporary Plans:
The Executive Office Suite concept is the perfect way for the small businessperson, attorney, medical professional, entrepreneur, or local rep of a larger organization, to establish a local business presence in a fast, economical and effective way in premium office space. 

We offer rental of private offices (furnished or unfurnished), a comfortable waiting room, receptionist, secretarial assistance, modern telephone system including voice mail that is accessible 24 hours a day from outside the building, Hi-Speed Internet and conference room facilities. 

All office related needs are handled by our staff and all major equipment and amenities are in place.

http://www.atriumcrest.com/

************
You can rent office space or conference room, use their furnishings & staff hourly, daily, weekly. 


Well now that could come in handy for the ever evolving/new/name changing/holding companies we are seeing here.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 27, 2009, 10:00:38 AM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::   That last post made me laugh.  I worked for a privately owned start up company years ago.  The office was a converted warehouse, which was functional and nice, but not exactly the environment the owners portrayed to the customers.  Whenever meetings with existing or potential customers were scheduled, the CEO & COO used a local hotel or other facility. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 27, 2009, 10:02:21 AM
Atrium Crest Executive Suites

The Cost Effective Alternative for Permanent or Temporary Plans:
The Executive Office Suite concept is the perfect way for the small businessperson, attorney, medical professional, entrepreneur, or local rep of a larger organization, to establish a local business presence in a fast, economical and effective way in premium office space. 

We offer rental of private offices (furnished or unfurnished), a comfortable waiting room, receptionist, secretarial assistance, modern telephone system including voice mail that is accessible 24 hours a day from outside the building, Hi-Speed Internet and conference room facilities. 

All office related needs are handled by our staff and all major equipment and amenities are in place.

http://www.atriumcrest.com/

************
You can rent office space or conference room, use their furnishings & staff hourly, daily, weekly. 


Well now that could come in handy for the ever evolving/new/name changing/holding companies we are seeing here.

Yes    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 27, 2009, 10:12:20 AM
 ::MonkeyEek::  I was locked out for a few minutes....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 27, 2009, 10:15:29 AM
Me too  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 27, 2009, 10:16:51 AM
So it certainly seems plausible that Trahan and Cooper could have become acquainted at some point.

IF this is 'the' Holly J Cooper.........


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 10:17:54 AM

I have a question...

Kyle Kingman: (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com) "Right before the Dateline special aired Tim and Louis asked if I could go to ABC to try to sell the footage in an attempt to recoup some of the money invested in the search efforts. ABC was very interested, but decided to wait until the Dateline special aired. After the show they came back to me and declined to purchase it because they felt too much of the story was already told by Dateline. That ended any communication with ABC. About 6 executive producers saw the footage, but none were allowed copies or any pictures. Everything remained in my possesion."

Do we know for sure which Tim Kyle is referring to - Trahan or Miller?  I've assumed Tim Trahan...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 27, 2009, 10:20:26 AM

I have a question...

Kyle Kingman: (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com) "Right before the Dateline special aired Tim and Louis asked if I could go to ABC to try to sell the footage in an attempt to recoup some of the money invested in the search efforts. ABC was very interested, but decided to wait until the Dateline special aired. After the show they came back to me and declined to purchase it because they felt too much of the story was already told by Dateline. That ended any communication with ABC. About 6 executive producers saw the footage, but none were allowed copies or any pictures. Everything remained in my possesion."

Do we know for sure which Tim Kyle is referring to - Trahan or Miller?  I've assumed Tim Trahan...


I've assumed Trahan, as well. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 27, 2009, 10:23:48 AM
Definitely Trahan.

Miller didn't even know the footage existed at that point.

And Kyle referred to Trahan as Schaefer's representative to us.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 10:34:03 AM
Definitely Trahan.

Miller didn't even know the footage existed at that point.

And Kyle referred to Trahan as Schaefer's representative to us.


Thanks, Jen - that's what I thought.  So its the 2 guys not even on the boat... ::MonkeyNoNo::

(I had inserted [trahan] after the Tim in that quote and reviewing it, realized I should confirm that.)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 27, 2009, 10:37:39 AM
It seems the port/harbor construction IS moving forward:

Minister Briesen visits mtbs

2008-09-15 12:47

On the fourth of September we had the honor of welcoming the Minister of Tourism and Transportation of Aruba who, together with Mr. Henry Vingal, visited our office within the framework of the Aruba Port Investments Project. During the visit the progress of the project was discussed.
 
The Aruba Port Investments Project concerns the implementation of 4 port related investments i.e. cruise and container terminal, real estate and a free zone. mtbs provides legal and PPP advise and has developed several strategic scenario's of which the financial feasibility was assessed.
 
Minister Briesen was impressed by the historical White House, the warm welcome by the mtbs team and above all by the results that mtbs realised on the project so far.
http://www.mtbs.nl/news/minister_briesen_visits_mtbs

And this link will show you how the process will (should) work.  Most is public - although I'm not sure where/how we would access it.  I have yet to find anything on mtbs' site about it, other than general information about what the project is.

http://www.mtbs.nl/our_services/transaction_public


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 11:35:34 AM


Have we seen this?

http://houston.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2007/11/12/daily38.html?jst=s_cn_hl

Thursday, November 15, 2007
Superior names Persky chairman
Houston Business Journal

Superior Offshore International Inc. has appointed James Persky as board chairman.

Persky replaces Louis Schaefer Jr., founder of the Houston subsea construction and commercial diving service provider, who retired and resigned from the board on Nov. 14.

Persky has been a director of Superior Offshore (NASDAQ: DEEP) since April.







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 11:41:08 AM
BillB.HotPing.This is where i got that thought process from!Check this link out and look at the relationships to Superior energy.Considering where they do business.It would be interesting!

http://www.marketvisual.com/DirectProfile.aspx?ID=af9c3889-2144-4b60-9b17-b34fa5b78331


Entities Related to Superior Energy Services Inc
 
Top 16 of 79 entities related to Superior Energy Services Inc. Search list by name:
Retrieving... 
  Map Robert S Taylor and Superior Energy Services Inc's 8 relationships 
  Map David Weinhoffer  and Superior Energy Services Inc's 8 relationships 
  Map Lynton G Cook III and Superior Energy Services Inc's 8 relationships 
  Map KENNETH BLANCHARD and Superior Energy Services Inc's 7 relationships 
  Map A Patrick Bernard and Superior Energy Services Inc's 7 relationships 
  Map R Joshua Koch Jr  and Superior Energy Services Inc's 7 relationships 
  Map Terence E Hall and Superior Energy Services Inc's 7 relationships 
  Map James Persky and Superior Energy Services Inc's 6 relationships 
  Map E Donald Terry and Superior Energy Services Inc's 6 relationships 
  Map Richard A Pattarozzi and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 
  Map James J Mermis  and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 
  Map Louis E Schaefer Jr and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 
  Map James M Funk and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 
  Map Harold J Bouillion and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 
  Map John F Guarisco and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 
  Map Enoch L Dawkins and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 



I'm trying to see if there is a connection.Seems they all have Superior energy in common?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 11:46:20 AM
I don't know if the above means anything or not.I will also look at the companies Jen adn 2nj were talking about regarding Holly J Cooper!Off to work.BBL Monkeys.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 11:51:06 AM

This is a very nice summary of Superior Offshore's troubles.

http://houston.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2008/02/25/story3.html

Friday, February 22, 2008
Superior Offshore stock dive creates wave of departures in executive suite
Houston Business Journal

The revolving door in the executive suite of Superior Offshore Inc. began to spin in November 2007.

The changes started with the resignation of Louis Schaefer Jr. -- who founded the company in 1986 -- from the board and the appointment of James Persky as board chairman.

Meanwhile, Superior Offshore shares were spiraling downward. In a Nov. 19 report, analyst David Smith of J.P. Morgan Securities Inc. noted that company insiders James Murmis, the CEO, and Roger Burks, the chief financial officer, were continuing to sell thousands of shares during October and November as part of prearranged stock trading plans -- until the company reported that the two executives terminated the plans effective Nov. 16 in order to try to prop up the stock. (Ed. 11/16 = one day after the earnings conference call when Murmis explained away the insider trading as within their prearranged stock trading plans.)

Superior shares had run up briefly in April after the initial public offering was issued at $15 a share. The stock reached as high as $19.58 on May 4 but began to slip and then tumble as disappointing financial results were announced.

By Dec. 31 the stock had dropped to $5.02 -- a 67 percent decline for the year. After reaching an all-time low of $2.94 on Jan. 23, Superior shares closed at $4.55 on Feb. 13.

Murmis and Burks in December reduced their annual compensation. Mermis lowered his salary from $750,000 to $600,000 effective Jan. 1 while Burks took an annual salary cut to $500,000 from $600,000.

Then in late December, Superior announced the company would not proceed with a planned $15 million acquisition of Ocean Flow International LLC. At the same time, the company would shell out $4.2 million to settle a dispute and terminate a charter agreement for one of its deepwater vessels.   (Ed. I'm lost - what dispute?)

A month later, Mermis abruptly announced he would quit, tendering his resignation on Jan. 28. He agreed to forfeit severance payments as well as the remaining 616,000 shares of unvested restricted stock he owned at the time. He still holds about 53,000 shares.

Thomas Coleman, a director, followed Mermis out the door a few days later, on Feb. 1.

On Feb. 11, Burks announced that he would quit March 30, to be replaced April 1 by Thomas Daman, currently the company's treasurer and senior vice president of finance.

Regulatory filings show E. Donald Terry, who replaced Murmis as CEO, is to be paid $60,000 a month and has been granted stock options on 100,000 shares expiring in 2018, at an exercise price of $3.55.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 27, 2009, 11:52:16 AM
It seems the port/harbor construction IS moving forward:

Minister Briesen visits mtbs

2008-09-15 12:47

On the fourth of September we had the honor of welcoming the Minister of Tourism and Transportation of Aruba who, together with Mr. Henry Vingal, visited our office within the framework of the Aruba Port Investments Project. During the visit the progress of the project was discussed.
 
The Aruba Port Investments Project concerns the implementation of 4 port related investments i.e. cruise and container terminal, real estate and a free zone. mtbs provides legal and PPP advise and has developed several strategic scenario's of which the financial feasibility was assessed.
 
Minister Briesen was impressed by the historical White House, the warm welcome by the mtbs team and above all by the results that mtbs realised on the project so far.
http://www.mtbs.nl/news/minister_briesen_visits_mtbs

And this link will show you how the process will (should) work.  Most is public - although I'm not sure where/how we would access it.  I have yet to find anything on mtbs' site about it, other than general information about what the project is.
http://www.mtbs.nl/our_services/transaction_public


BUMP!!  If anyone can find anything on this, it would sure be appreciated.  Since this meeting took place 6 months ago, surely there has been some momentum in getting this moving forward since then.

And according to their website, it's a public tender - so we should be able to find something on it.

I haven't been able to find a dang thing!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 11:58:50 AM
It seems the port/harbor construction IS moving forward:

Minister Briesen visits mtbs

2008-09-15 12:47

On the fourth of September we had the honor of welcoming the Minister of Tourism and Transportation of Aruba who, together with Mr. Henry Vingal, visited our office within the framework of the Aruba Port Investments Project. During the visit the progress of the project was discussed.
 
The Aruba Port Investments Project concerns the implementation of 4 port related investments i.e. cruise and container terminal, real estate and a free zone. mtbs provides legal and PPP advise and has developed several strategic scenario's of which the financial feasibility was assessed.
 
Minister Briesen was impressed by the historical White House, the warm welcome by the mtbs team and above all by the results that mtbs realised on the project so far.
http://www.mtbs.nl/news/minister_briesen_visits_mtbs

And this link will show you how the process will (should) work.  Most is public - although I'm not sure where/how we would access it.  I have yet to find anything on mtbs' site about it, other than general information about what the project is.
http://www.mtbs.nl/our_services/transaction_public


BUMP!!  If anyone can find anything on this, it would sure be appreciated.  Since this meeting took place 6 months ago, surely there has been some momentum in getting this moving forward since then.

And according to their website, it's a public tender - so we should be able to find something on it.

I haven't been able to find a dang thing!

Jen,

That leaked VNO report that caesu linked has some information about a meeting on the port project that was just held in January.  Has to be translated and copied over - I have a lunch meeting in an hour and some reports to review beforehand, but I can take a look at it when I get back.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 27, 2009, 12:00:04 PM
Thanks Lifesong - I will look for it!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 27, 2009, 12:10:48 PM
Well, well.

This is just done with Google - maybe ceasu could give us a better translation.

BUT - if I am reading this correctly, it DOES look like the port is going to AMERICAN COMPANIES


portMet the president of employers association ATIA, Juan David Irausquin is
discussed the plans for the new port, Nos Aruba 2025
(future) and the economic outlook for Aruba in the light of
credit crisis.

Irausquin, in March the gavel that he and Vice President
is, last week the MEP Group of the States a presentation
on the economic impact of moving the port. He
outlined the ignorance of the Group on the costs to move
entails Thursday to know what the yield will be. There is
never an economic impact study performed. The effect of the movement
for infrastructure, employment etc were unknown quantities
for the Co-Parliamentarians. Typical was the statement of one of them:
why are you (Irausquin) against the movement if your car only
but benefit from it. Similarly, the observation of another Statenlid that this
no debate in the States because you do not publicly your brother when you fall
home quarrel with him have. The Statenleden indicated not to be aware of
discussions between the government and the Spanish group of investors.

Parliament is not adequately informed. The presentation to the MEP
was the result of presentations to parliamentarians, trade unions, political
parties and officials.
About the impact of the global financial crisis, the
President employers are not too much worry. The group of Americans
Aruba is aimed at is generally feasible enough.  
Expenditure to
site will probably decline in tourist accommodation.

http://www.nrc.nl/multimedia/archive/00205/week_3_1__205580a.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 27, 2009, 12:14:05 PM
Thank you caesu for explaining this in detail with a timeline.

Excerpting this comment from you.....

i wouldn't be surprised if there is a major shift in the attitude towards Aruba.
already Bijleveld is giving out such sign by to giving in to Aruba's demands, in fact doing the opposite.


If there is a shift, what real and vivid consequences would there be? Would Croes and Oduber be at risk of losing their power?

I so hope your answer to that is yes.......and that it would be soon.


i think what has happened is that Bijleveld has said to Oduber: do you want independence? go right ahead.
don't you want independence? than we want you to behave and cooperate with the other countries of the Kingdom.

and the Dutch can't force Oduber or Croes out of power.
they only can do things Aruba don't like, like forcing through Kingdom laws without Aruba's consensus.
or refusing to give financial aid, but right now Aruba doesn't need Dutch money.
but this might change because of recession.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 27, 2009, 12:20:20 PM
caesu,

Yes, thank you for keeping us up on this power struggle or infighting or whatever it is that Rudy Croes is doing.

Do you think he thinks Mos directly contributed to the allegations in the leaked report?  Or is Croes just striking out randomly at any Dutch he can?

With the replacement of Mos, we get yet another new person who will not be up to speed on the investigation into Natalee's disappearance.  The ALE in charge might as well have had a revolving door for the number of changes as to who was in charge it has changed so often.

What Rudy Croes seems to really want is all Arubans in all positions.  I wonder who he wants for OM now if Mos is leaving?


i don't think Mos has anything to do with the leaked report.
everyone who followed Aruba a little bit could have written that report.
the allegations in the report are pretty mainstream.
only by error it was send to an Aruba government employee.
Croes is angry because now he knows The Netherlands are paying attention.
this confirms hir paranoia he already had.

and yes, Croes is striking randomly at any Dutch.
i think this contributed also to this conflict within the police force around Peter de Witte earlier this month.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 27, 2009, 12:21:13 PM

This is a very nice summary of Superior Offshore's troubles.

http://houston.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2008/02/25/story3.html

Friday, February 22, 2008
Superior Offshore stock dive creates wave of departures in executive suite
Houston Business Journal

The revolving door in the executive suite of Superior Offshore Inc. began to spin in November 2007.

The changes started with the resignation of Louis Schaefer Jr. -- who founded the company in 1986 -- from the board and the appointment of James Persky as board chairman.

Meanwhile, Superior Offshore shares were spiraling downward. In a Nov. 19 report, analyst David Smith of J.P. Morgan Securities Inc. noted that company insiders James Murmis, the CEO, and Roger Burks, the chief financial officer, were continuing to sell thousands of shares during October and November as part of prearranged stock trading plans -- until the company reported that the two executives terminated the plans effective Nov. 16 in order to try to prop up the stock. (Ed. 11/16 = one day after the earnings conference call when Murmis explained away the insider trading as within their prearranged stock trading plans.)

Superior shares had run up briefly in April after the initial public offering was issued at $15 a share. The stock reached as high as $19.58 on May 4 but began to slip and then tumble as disappointing financial results were announced.

By Dec. 31 the stock had dropped to $5.02 -- a 67 percent decline for the year. After reaching an all-time low of $2.94 on Jan. 23, Superior shares closed at $4.55 on Feb. 13.

Murmis and Burks in December reduced their annual compensation. Mermis lowered his salary from $750,000 to $600,000 effective Jan. 1 while Burks took an annual salary cut to $500,000 from $600,000.

Then in late December, Superior announced the company would not proceed with a planned $15 million acquisition of Ocean Flow International LLC. At the same time, the company would shell out $4.2 million to settle a dispute and terminate a charter agreement for one of its deepwater vessels.   (Ed. I'm lost - what dispute?)

A month later, Mermis abruptly announced he would quit, tendering his resignation on Jan. 28. He agreed to forfeit severance payments as well as the remaining 616,000 shares of unvested restricted stock he owned at the time. He still holds about 53,000 shares.

Thomas Coleman, a director, followed Mermis out the door a few days later, on Feb. 1.

On Feb. 11, Burks announced that he would quit March 30, to be replaced April 1 by Thomas Daman, currently the company's treasurer and senior vice president of finance.

Regulatory filings show E. Donald Terry, who replaced Murmis as CEO, is to be paid $60,000 a month and has been granted stock options on 100,000 shares expiring in 2018, at an exercise price of $3.55.




Dispute explained here:

Superior Cancels Ocean Flow Acquisition, Settles Toisa Puma Dispute
Superior Offshore International  12/31/2007
URL: http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=54613

Superior Offshore International, Inc. has jointly agreed with Ocean Flow International L.L.C. to cancel a definitive merger agreement between the two companies. Ocean Flow is a privately held deepwater subsea project engineering and offshore project management services firm.

"While both companies decided that now is not the right time to complete the merger, our discussions have laid the groundwork for what we expect to be a closer cooperative relationship in future marketing opportunities for large projects requiring deepwater fabrication and construction, pipeline engineering and project management capabilities," said Superior Offshore President and Chief Executive Officer Jim Mermis.

Separately, Superior Offshore announced that it has settled a dispute over the charter of the DP-II vessel, Toisa Puma. Under the settlement agreement, Superior Offshore will pay the vessel owner an additional $4.2 million to terminate the two-year charter. This settlement will relieve Superior Offshore of any future charter payments that would have totaled approximately $27 million.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 27, 2009, 12:22:32 PM


Hendrik Croes is very active in the promotion of business interests on Bonaire and Curacao (Aruba and, of course). Netherlands (which increasingly demands transparency of governance) is not used. The MEP will be the next time on ramkoers Holland go on the instructions of Hendrik Croes.

The political game with the Netherlands by Henry with the following players and roles filled:

Nel Oduber is moderately cooperative and ever apologized for the behavior of Rudy Croes in the Netherlands. Bano Lopez makes the line with Justice, the Netherlands and in particular  the Minister of Justice and remains open, the Aruban ideas about spotlight. Henry is always in the background but is of course architect of the game. Note that with Oduber consider the strategy. This is therefore an active player and not a victim. Rudy plays the ramkoers role and set the tone in order to focus on the heritage of Betico to monitor and thus keep the electorate happy. Minister Wever feeds the nationalist sentiments of the electorate. Edward Son of Henry, Edward Croes is an advisor to the Minister and carry out the more "physical" role: he harasses people in the Croes-faction direction, together with Oduber's son (who recently against all advice of the Police Corps Aruba got a gun permit).  The PG is the oil man: he pursues public to cooperate, his minister called an initiated projectile and enter the meantime the plans of Henry from.  


Edit to add:  This is taken from the leaked VNO report, run through a Google translator.


Who holds the office of PG now?  Would that be Pieterz?

yes, Robert Pietersz


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 27, 2009, 12:26:37 PM
HAVE A GREAT VACA 2NJSons_Mom ...stay safe in Mexic ::MonkeyEek:: o!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 12:30:36 PM

Thanks, 2NJ!  I must've stopped reading that after the first 2 paragraphs!

Have a great trip - we'll miss you!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 12:32:17 PM

Thanks, 2NJ!  I must've stopped reading that after the first 2 paragraphs!

Have a great trip - we'll miss you!



Watch out for the wild monkeys that run the beaches in mexico! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 27, 2009, 12:32:47 PM
Aruba starts March 1st promotion campaign on tv, radio, internet, billboards in The Netherlands.

Aruba depends on tourists from North America. if they won't come Aruba is in trouble.
that's why Aruba is taking preventive measures and starts a massive promotion campaign Europe and especially in the UK, The Netherlands and Scandinavia.

(http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/images/assets/17158751)
'Grant yourself Aruba'

http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car20090227_toerisme-campagne


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 27, 2009, 12:38:29 PM
HAVE A GREAT VACA 2NJSons_Mom ...stay safe in Mexic ::MonkeyEek:: o!!!

Thanks to all.  There's a travel alert...just our luck, but we're a group of oldies, so I think we'll be okay at the resort. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 27, 2009, 12:40:11 PM
Aruba starts March 1st promotion campaign on tv, radio, internet, billboards in The Netherlands.

Aruba depends on tourists from North America. if they won't come Aruba is in trouble.
that's why Aruba is taking preventive measures and starts a massive promotion campaign Europe and especially in the UK, The Netherlands and Scandinavia.

(http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/images/assets/17158751)
'Grant yourself Aruba'

http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car20090227_toerisme-campagne

This must be a carry over of the campaign they have had here.  Thanks, caesu.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 12:56:48 PM
Hi Monkeys

I'm just getting caught up.....Jen I saw the info on Cooper a few pages back.....I have a question.....Does the name Eric Joseph Boudreax mean anything to anyone.....Seems like I remember trying to research that name not to long ago.....TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 01:30:04 PM
These may have already been posted by TM.Putting the link out there for reference!

http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/39Letter%20to%20Prime%20Minister%20Feb%2002,%202009.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 01:33:11 PM
For the Holly J Cooper/Tim Trahan address thing...............

I don't have any idea if this is 'the' Holly J Cooper - but maybe a run of her businesses to see if they tie into any of Schaefer or Silvetti's businesses would be a good idea?

Holly J Cooper Recall Attorney
18333 Egret Bay Blvd Ste 270
Houston, TX 77058 Map
•   (281) 335-3600

AKA
•  Ulysses Systems Inc., Holly J Cooper-Recall ATTORNEY AT TITLE, Eisystems Corp, Atrium Crest Executive Suites, Acsia Insurance Agency

Jen...This is the 2008 Harris County Tx Appraisal District Detail Sheet for the address for Cooper....If You go to the link You will see no furniture or anyting as for an office...hmmmm


LAWRENCE A KUNI
ATRIUM CREST EXECUTIVE
18333 EGRET BAY BLVD STE 270
HOUSTON  TX  77058-6400

http://www.hcad.org/Records/Personal/details.asp?taxyear=2008&ppt=&acct=0925353



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 27, 2009, 01:53:27 PM
For the Holly J Cooper/Tim Trahan address thing...............

I don't have any idea if this is 'the' Holly J Cooper - but maybe a run of her businesses to see if they tie into any of Schaefer or Silvetti's businesses would be a good idea?

Holly J Cooper Recall Attorney
18333 Egret Bay Blvd Ste 270
Houston, TX 77058 Map
•   (281) 335-3600

AKA
•  Ulysses Systems Inc., Holly J Cooper-Recall ATTORNEY AT TITLE, Eisystems Corp, Atrium Crest Executive Suites, Acsia Insurance Agency

Jen...This is the 2008 Harris County Tx Appraisal District Detail Sheet for the address for Cooper....If You go to the link You will see no furniture or anyting as for an office...hmmmm


LAWRENCE A KUNI
ATRIUM CREST EXECUTIVE
18333 EGRET BAY BLVD STE 270
HOUSTON  TX  77058-6400

http://www.hcad.org/Records/Personal/details.asp?taxyear=2008&ppt=&acct=0925353



So this tells me that Lawrenece Kuni is leasing office space from Atrium, AKA Cooper.

Interesting that there are no assets listed.  We know it's a leased office space, quite likely including the furniture, and possibly staff as well.  But you would think the owner (Cooper/Atrium) would be the one to pay the County Assessor for tax on such.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 27, 2009, 01:54:21 PM
For the Holly J Cooper/Tim Trahan address thing...............

I don't have any idea if this is 'the' Holly J Cooper - but maybe a run of her businesses to see if they tie into any of Schaefer or Silvetti's businesses would be a good idea?

Holly J Cooper Recall Attorney
18333 Egret Bay Blvd Ste 270
Houston, TX 77058 Map
•   (281) 335-3600

AKA
•  Ulysses Systems Inc., Holly J Cooper-Recall ATTORNEY AT TITLE, Eisystems Corp, Atrium Crest Executive Suites, Acsia Insurance Agency

Jen...This is the 2008 Harris County Tx Appraisal District Detail Sheet for the address for Cooper....If You go to the link You will see no furniture or anyting as for an office...hmmmm


LAWRENCE A KUNI
ATRIUM CREST EXECUTIVE
18333 EGRET BAY BLVD STE 270
HOUSTON  TX  77058-6400

http://www.hcad.org/Records/Personal/details.asp?taxyear=2008&ppt=&acct=0925353



The address that you found that correlates to the PO Box?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 02:25:48 PM
For the Holly J Cooper/Tim Trahan address thing...............

I don't have any idea if this is 'the' Holly J Cooper - but maybe a run of her businesses to see if they tie into any of Schaefer or Silvetti's businesses would be a good idea?

Holly J Cooper Recall Attorney
18333 Egret Bay Blvd Ste 270
Houston, TX 77058 Map
•   (281) 335-3600

AKA
•  Ulysses Systems Inc., Holly J Cooper-Recall ATTORNEY AT TITLE, Eisystems Corp, Atrium Crest Executive Suites, Acsia Insurance Agency

Jen...This is the 2008 Harris County Tx Appraisal District Detail Sheet for the address for Cooper....If You go to the link You will see no furniture or anyting as for an office...hmmmm


LAWRENCE A KUNI
ATRIUM CREST EXECUTIVE
18333 EGRET BAY BLVD STE 270
HOUSTON  TX  77058-6400

http://www.hcad.org/Records/Personal/details.asp?taxyear=2008&ppt=&acct=0925353



The address that you found that correlates to the PO Box?
The address that correlates with Cooper and Trahan is

2951 Marina Bay Dr  #130
Kemah Tx 77565


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 02:43:35 PM
For the Holly J Cooper/Tim Trahan address thing...............

I don't have any idea if this is 'the' Holly J Cooper - but maybe a run of her businesses to see if they tie into any of Schaefer or Silvetti's businesses would be a good idea?

Holly J Cooper Recall Attorney
18333 Egret Bay Blvd Ste 270
Houston, TX 77058 Map
•   (281) 335-3600

AKA
•  Ulysses Systems Inc., Holly J Cooper-Recall ATTORNEY AT TITLE, Eisystems Corp, Atrium Crest Executive Suites, Acsia Insurance Agency

Jen...This is the 2008 Harris County Tx Appraisal District Detail Sheet for the address for Cooper....If You go to the link You will see no furniture or anyting as for an office...hmmmm


LAWRENCE A KUNI
ATRIUM CREST EXECUTIVE
18333 EGRET BAY BLVD STE 270
HOUSTON  TX  77058-6400

http://www.hcad.org/Records/Personal/details.asp?taxyear=2008&ppt=&acct=0925353


Not that it necessarily applies in this instance, but the values used to assess property tax on businesses typically originate from the physical assets on the balance sheet at the end of the tax period.  Any assets that have been fully depreciated would no longer have value in that sense, and thus, would not be listed. 

In other words, it might be hinky or they might just have old stuff.   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 27, 2009, 02:50:03 PM
For the Holly J Cooper/Tim Trahan address thing...............

I don't have any idea if this is 'the' Holly J Cooper - but maybe a run of her businesses to see if they tie into any of Schaefer or Silvetti's businesses would be a good idea?

Holly J Cooper Recall Attorney
18333 Egret Bay Blvd Ste 270
Houston, TX 77058 Map
•   (281) 335-3600

AKA
•  Ulysses Systems Inc., Holly J Cooper-Recall ATTORNEY AT TITLE, Eisystems Corp, Atrium Crest Executive Suites, Acsia Insurance Agency

Jen...This is the 2008 Harris County Tx Appraisal District Detail Sheet for the address for Cooper....If You go to the link You will see no furniture or anyting as for an office...hmmmm


LAWRENCE A KUNI
ATRIUM CREST EXECUTIVE
18333 EGRET BAY BLVD STE 270
HOUSTON  TX  77058-6400

http://www.hcad.org/Records/Personal/details.asp?taxyear=2008&ppt=&acct=0925353



The address that you found that correlates to the PO Box?
The address that correlates with Cooper and Trahan is

2951 Marina Bay Dr  #130
Kemah Tx 77565

If I am correctly understanding everything you've posted.......................

OK - I think that you have established that this Timothy D Trahan is THE Tim Trahan in question.

And I also think that you have established that Tim Trahan and Holly Cooper shared that phsyical address.

So the only thing left to establish are dates, right?

In my mind - there is far too much here to be taken as coincidence.


The PO Box was used to solicit donations for the search for Natalee.

Underwater Expeditions (Tim Trahan) was a party to that expedition.

The PO Box was registered to (at one time) Holly J Cooper.

Holly J Cooper and Timothy Trahan had the same physical address as one another (at one time).

That physical address correlates to the PO Box used to solicit donations.

I think we have a BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


TRAHAN, TIM 
TRAHAN, TIMOTHY DALE 2900 Rolido Dr #164-3, HOUSTON, TX 77063
8954 Green Ray Dr , HOUSTON, TX 77095
3045 Marina Bay Dr #1112, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
260 PO Box, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
504 Nemento Ave , LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
3045 Marina Bay Dr #9201, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
3045 Marina Bay Dr , LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
2951 Marina Bay Dr #130-26, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573  This addy was used by Cooper and Trahan

3045 Marina Bay Dr #3210, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
3045 Marina Bay Dr #8207, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
8811 Kirkmont Dr , HOUSTON, TX 77089
3045 Marina Bay Dr #11202, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573  This addy was used by Trahan on his voter's registration

5602 Highway 26, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
2900 Rolido Dr , HOUSTON, TX 77063
2900 Rolido Dr #164, HOUSTON, TX 77063
11111 Pleasant Colony Dr #738, HOUSTON, TX 77065
249 PO Box, FRANKLIN, TX 77856
Fannie Bass Srd, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
5602 Hwy 26, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
600 PO Box, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549 03/01/1957
****************

Timothy D Trahan 43 years old voter registration info:

Last Name
TRAHAN First Name
TIMOTHY Middle Name
D Suffix
 
Gender
M Date of Birth
Oct 6 1965 County
Galveston Precinct
452
VUID
1034010887 Perm. House Number
3045 Perm. Designator
 Perm. Directional Prefix
 
Perm. Street Name
MARINA BAY Perm. Street Type
DR Perm. Directional Suffix
 Perm. Unit Number
11202
Perm. Unit Type
UNIT Perm. City
LEAGUE CITY Perm. ZIP Code
77573 Mailing Address 1
3045 MARINA BAY DR UNIT 11202
Mailing Address 2
 Mailing City
LEAGUE CITY Mailing State
TX Mailing ZIP Code
77573
EDR
Dec 17 2005 Suspense Status
 Spanish Surname Flag








Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 27, 2009, 02:52:57 PM
You all probably already know this, but this is my favorite search site.

Any state public records:  Change the state at the bottom of the page.
You must know the county.

http://publicrecords.netronline.com/dir.aspx?StateID=45


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 02:59:25 PM
For the Holly J Cooper/Tim Trahan address thing...............

I don't have any idea if this is 'the' Holly J Cooper - but maybe a run of her businesses to see if they tie into any of Schaefer or Silvetti's businesses would be a good idea?

Holly J Cooper Recall Attorney
18333 Egret Bay Blvd Ste 270
Houston, TX 77058 Map
•   (281) 335-3600

AKA
•  Ulysses Systems Inc., Holly J Cooper-Recall ATTORNEY AT TITLE, Eisystems Corp, Atrium Crest Executive Suites, Acsia Insurance Agency

Jen...This is the 2008 Harris County Tx Appraisal District Detail Sheet for the address for Cooper....If You go to the link You will see no furniture or anyting as for an office...hmmmm


LAWRENCE A KUNI
ATRIUM CREST EXECUTIVE
18333 EGRET BAY BLVD STE 270
HOUSTON  TX  77058-6400

http://www.hcad.org/Records/Personal/details.asp?taxyear=2008&ppt=&acct=0925353



The address that you found that correlates to the PO Box?
The address that correlates with Cooper and Trahan is

2951 Marina Bay Dr  #130
Kemah Tx 77565

If I am correctly understanding everything you've posted.......................

OK - I think that you have established that this Timothy D Trahan is THE Tim Trahan in question.

And I also think that you have established that Tim Trahan and Holly Cooper shared that phsyical address.

So the only thing left to establish are dates, right?

In my mind - there is far too much here to be taken as coincidence.


The PO Box was used to solicit donations for the search for Natalee.

Underwater Expeditions (Tim Trahan) was a party to that expedition.

The PO Box was registered to (at one time) Holly J Cooper.

Holly J Cooper and Timothy Trahan had the same physical address as one another (at one time).

That physical address correlates to the PO Box used to solicit donations.

I think we have a BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


TRAHAN, TIM 
TRAHAN, TIMOTHY DALE 2900 Rolido Dr #164-3, HOUSTON, TX 77063
8954 Green Ray Dr , HOUSTON, TX 77095
3045 Marina Bay Dr #1112, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
260 PO Box, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
504 Nemento Ave , LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
3045 Marina Bay Dr #9201, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
3045 Marina Bay Dr , LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
2951 Marina Bay Dr #130-26, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573  This addy was used by Cooper and Trahan

3045 Marina Bay Dr #3210, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
3045 Marina Bay Dr #8207, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
8811 Kirkmont Dr , HOUSTON, TX 77089
3045 Marina Bay Dr #11202, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573  This addy was used by Trahan on his voter's registration

5602 Highway 26, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
2900 Rolido Dr , HOUSTON, TX 77063
2900 Rolido Dr #164, HOUSTON, TX 77063
11111 Pleasant Colony Dr #738, HOUSTON, TX 77065
249 PO Box, FRANKLIN, TX 77856
Fannie Bass Srd, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
5602 Hwy 26, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549
600 PO Box, LAKE ARTHUR, LA 70549 03/01/1957
****************

Timothy D Trahan 43 years old voter registration info:

Last Name
TRAHAN First Name
TIMOTHY Middle Name
D Suffix
 
Gender
M Date of Birth
Oct 6 1965 County
Galveston Precinct
452
VUID
1034010887 Perm. House Number
3045 Perm. Designator
 Perm. Directional Prefix
 
Perm. Street Name
MARINA BAY Perm. Street Type
DR Perm. Directional Suffix
 Perm. Unit Number
11202
Perm. Unit Type
UNIT Perm. City
LEAGUE CITY Perm. ZIP Code
77573 Mailing Address 1
3045 MARINA BAY DR UNIT 11202
Mailing Address 2
 Mailing City
LEAGUE CITY Mailing State
TX Mailing ZIP Code
77573
EDR
Dec 17 2005 Suspense Status
 Spanish Surname Flag







Jen....Coincidences do happen I just heard from My source and I was told that the name on the PO Box in Novemeber 2007 was Louis Schaefer Underwater Expeditions.....How Ya like Them apples.....Even though The Trahan Cooper info matched it turns out that the Money was going straight to Schaefer.....This information came directly from a postal employee....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 03:07:37 PM
Jen -

Great summary and I completely agree!  I don't believe in those kinds of coincidences, not at all.

I'm not sure we have a good picture of Tim Trahan.  I don't know who id'd the one in Blonde's Ocean Search thread, but it doesn't (at least to me) match up as being the same guy on the Linked-In site.

Here's the pic from the ocean thread:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/girlonship.jpg)

and here's the linked-in:

(http://media.linkedin.com/mpr/mpr/shrink_80_80/p/3/000/017/2a8/20ffc18.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 03:08:36 PM
Great work Hotping.Straight to Schaefer huh??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 03:11:46 PM
Jen....Coincidences do happen I just heard from My source and I was told that the name on the PO Box in Novemeber 2007 was Louis Schaefer Underwater Expeditions.....How Ya like Them apples.....Even though The Trahan Cooper info matched it turns out that the Money was going straight to Schaefer.....This information came directly from a postal employee....

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   

Great Work, Hotping!!!

 ::cartwheel::   ::MonkeyDance::   ::cartwheel::   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 03:13:24 PM
Great work Hotping.Straight to Schaefer huh??
Yes...What really pisses Me off though is that the first time that I called for the PO Box info the person that I spoke with must have only seen the name Louis Schaefer and would not tell Me the name....so then My source tells Me alittle while ago that the name was Louis Schaefer but one line down it says Underwater Expeditions....So if the first person would have looked better they would have seen that it was a business and They could have told Me..... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 27, 2009, 03:17:18 PM


Jen....Coincidences do happen I just heard from My source and I was told that the name on the PO Box in Novemeber 2007 was Louis Schaefer Underwater Expeditions.....How Ya like Them apples.....Even though The Trahan Cooper info matched it turns out that the Money was going straight to Schaefer.....This information came directly from a postal employee....
[/quote]

Well then!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mr "I'm funding this search" Schaefer was doing so with OUR money.

Oh.  That opens up SO many doors here!!

Thank you Hotping!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did he share any of that with Silvetti to pay Kyle's invoices?

Hmmm.................guess that means that anyone who contributed a donation directly to that PO Box legally owns a portion of that ROV footage?  The footage Kyle told us Schaefer SOLD for a documentary.

Or at least, if donors don't own a portion of it................surely they have some rights to see everything that was recorded?

Surely they also have the right to see the ship's logs?

Surely they also have the right to see how their money was spent, in direct correlation to other monies that came in for donations?  Like say..............from corporations?  From TES?  From..................AHATA?!

Far as I know - Neither Louis Schaefer Jr, nor Superior Offshore are financially structured as trust funds?  Or charitable companies/entities?

Hmmm......................I wonder, since Superior's name was on the box.....................and that is a PUBLICLY traded company..................did these donations show up on their books?

Was an accounting kept as to how they were spent?

Surely stock holders would get to see that information?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 03:17:52 PM
Jen....Coincidences do happen I just heard from My source and I was told that the name on the PO Box in Novemeber 2007 was Louis Schaefer Underwater Expeditions.....How Ya like Them apples.....Even though The Trahan Cooper info matched it turns out that the Money was going straight to Schaefer.....This information came directly from a postal employee....

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   

Great Work, Hotping!!!

 ::cartwheel::   ::MonkeyDance::   ::cartwheel::   ::MonkeyDance::
Thanks Lifesong!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 03:20:01 PM


Jen....Coincidences do happen I just heard from My source and I was told that the name on the PO Box in Novemeber 2007 was Louis Schaefer Underwater Expeditions.....How Ya like Them apples.....Even though The Trahan Cooper info matched it turns out that the Money was going straight to Schaefer.....This information came directly from a postal employee....

Well then!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mr "I'm funding this search" Schaefer was doing so with OUR money.

Oh.  That opens up SO many doors here!!

Thank you Hotping!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did he share any of that with Silvetti to pay Kyle's invoices?

Hmmm.................guess that means that anyone who contributed a donation directly to that PO Box legally owns a portion of that ROV footage?  The footage Kyle told us Schaefer SOLD for a documentary.

Or at least, if donors don't own a portion of it................surely they have some rights to see everything that was recorded?

Surely they also have the right to see the ship's logs?

Surely they also have the right to see how their money was spent, in direct correlation to other monies that came in for donations?  Like say..............from corporations?  From TES?  From..................AHATA?!

Far as I know - Neither Louis Schaefer Jr, nor Superior Offshore are financially structured as trust funds?  Or charitable companies/entities?

Hmmm......................I wonder, since Superior's name was on the box.....................and that is a PUBLICLY traded company..................did these donations show up on their books?

Was an accounting kept as to how they were spent?

Surely stock holders would get to see that information?
[/quote]

Was  Superior on the box or Underwater expeditions??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 27, 2009, 03:20:26 PM
Editing Underwater for Superior.  Sorry.......




Jen....Coincidences do happen I just heard from My source and I was told that the name on the PO Box in Novemeber 2007 was Louis Schaefer Underwater Expeditions.....How Ya like Them apples.....Even though The Trahan Cooper info matched it turns out that the Money was going straight to Schaefer.....This information came directly from a postal employee....

Well then!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mr "I'm funding this search" Schaefer was doing so with OUR money.

Oh.  That opens up SO many doors here!!

Thank you Hotping!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did he share any of that with Silvetti to pay Kyle's invoices?

Hmmm.................guess that means that anyone who contributed a donation directly to that PO Box legally owns a portion of that ROV footage?  The footage Kyle told us Schaefer SOLD for a documentary.

Or at least, if donors don't own a portion of it................surely they have some rights to see everything that was recorded?

Surely they also have the right to see the ship's logs?

Surely they also have the right to see how their money was spent, in direct correlation to other monies that came in for donations?  Like say..............from corporations?  From TES?  From..................AHATA?!

Far as I know - Neither Louis Schaefer Jr, nor Underwater Expeditions are financially structured as trust funds?  Or charitable companies/entities?


[/quote]

Kyle told us that UE had been "dissolved" and Trahan "fired" in July 2008.

This was A HUGE issue when litigation was being discussed over Freebirds publishing this info.

I am SO angry right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 03:22:34 PM
Editing Underwater for Superior.  Sorry.......




Jen....Coincidences do happen I just heard from My source and I was told that the name on the PO Box in Novemeber 2007 was Louis Schaefer Underwater Expeditions.....How Ya like Them apples.....Even though The Trahan Cooper info matched it turns out that the Money was going straight to Schaefer.....This information came directly from a postal employee....

Well then!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mr "I'm funding this search" Schaefer was doing so with OUR money.

Oh.  That opens up SO many doors here!!

Thank you Hotping!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did he share any of that with Silvetti to pay Kyle's invoices?

Hmmm.................guess that means that anyone who contributed a donation directly to that PO Box legally owns a portion of that ROV footage?  The footage Kyle told us Schaefer SOLD for a documentary.

Or at least, if donors don't own a portion of it................surely they have some rights to see everything that was recorded?

Surely they also have the right to see the ship's logs?

Surely they also have the right to see how their money was spent, in direct correlation to other monies that came in for donations?  Like say..............from corporations?  From TES?  From..................AHATA?!

Far as I know - Neither Louis Schaefer Jr, nor Underwater Expeditions are financially structured as trust funds?  Or charitable companies/entities?



Kyle told us that UE had been "dissolved" and Trahan "fired" in July 2008.

This was A HUGE issue when litigation was being discussed over Freebirds publishing this info.

I am SO angry right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyNoNo::
[/quote]

Seems as though Kyle slowly is getting deeper into this mess!No??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 03:23:04 PM
Just found Underwater Expeditions new website!

http://topwaterexpeditions.com





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 03:23:17 PM
Editing Underwater for Superior.  Sorry.......




Jen....Coincidences do happen I just heard from My source and I was told that the name on the PO Box in Novemeber 2007 was Louis Schaefer Underwater Expeditions.....How Ya like Them apples.....Even though The Trahan Cooper info matched it turns out that the Money was going straight to Schaefer.....This information came directly from a postal employee....

Well then!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mr "I'm funding this search" Schaefer was doing so with OUR money.

Oh.  That opens up SO many doors here!!

Thank you Hotping!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did he share any of that with Silvetti to pay Kyle's invoices?

Hmmm.................guess that means that anyone who contributed a donation directly to that PO Box legally owns a portion of that ROV footage?  The footage Kyle told us Schaefer SOLD for a documentary.

Or at least, if donors don't own a portion of it................surely they have some rights to see everything that was recorded?

Surely they also have the right to see the ship's logs?

Surely they also have the right to see how their money was spent, in direct correlation to other monies that came in for donations?  Like say..............from corporations?  From TES?  From..................AHATA?!

Far as I know - Neither Louis Schaefer Jr, nor Underwater Expeditions are financially structured as trust funds?  Or charitable companies/entities?



Kyle told us that UE had been "dissolved" and Trahan "fired" in July 2008.

This was A HUGE issue when litigation was being discussed over Freebirds publishing this info.

I am SO angry right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyNoNo::


[/quote]

Seems as though Kyle slowly is getting deeper into this mess!No??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 03:23:39 PM
I got this Business Report on Underwater Expeditions...Did We alreaduy know about the Eagle Syndication?  ::MonkeyEek::


 

Business Name:UNDERWATER EXPEDITIONS LLCOfficer's
Physical:350  Saint Paul   St,  Dallas,  TX  75201
Officer's Physical:2210  Twin Oaks   Blvd,  Kemah,  TX  77565
Corporate ID:TX800816593
Filing State:TX
Start Date:05/16/2007
Status:IN EXISTENCE
Federal Tax ID:32032345095
Registry Number:0800816593
Address(es):2210  Twin Oaks   Blvd,  Kemah,  TX  77565
350  Saint Paul   St,  Dallas,  TX  75201
Officers/Directors:
Officer/Owner Name:SCHAEFER,  LOUIS  E
Associated Business(es):
Business Name:SUPERIOR MARINE SERVICES, LLC
Business Name:SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL, LLC
Business Name:EAGLE SYNDICATION, INC
Business Name:SCHAEFER REALTY HOLDINGS LLC
Business Name:SCHAEFER MARINE HOLDINGS LLC
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 03:25:03 PM
Just found Underwater Expeditions new website!

http://topwaterexpeditions.com





Why would you change the Web address???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 03:26:23 PM
I got this Business Report on Underwater Expeditions...Did We alreaduy know about the Eagle Syndication?  ::MonkeyEek::


 

Business Name:UNDERWATER EXPEDITIONS LLCOfficer's
Physical:350  Saint Paul   St,  Dallas,  TX  75201
Officer's Physical:2210  Twin Oaks   Blvd,  Kemah,  TX  77565
Corporate ID:TX800816593
Filing State:TX
Start Date:05/16/2007
Status:IN EXISTENCE
Federal Tax ID:32032345095
Registry Number:0800816593
Address(es):2210  Twin Oaks   Blvd,  Kemah,  TX  77565
350  Saint Paul   St,  Dallas,  TX  75201
Officers/Directors:
Officer/Owner Name:SCHAEFER,  LOUIS  E
Associated Business(es):
Business Name:SUPERIOR MARINE SERVICES, LLC
Business Name:SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL, LLC
Business Name:EAGLE SYNDICATION, INC
Business Name:SCHAEFER REALTY HOLDINGS LLC
Business Name:SCHAEFER MARINE HOLDINGS LLC
 


I was unaware HotPing.Keep Rolling!How many F'ing companies can you have?Are we trying to hide something Mr.Schaefer???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 03:27:45 PM
Eagle Syndication Inc
2210 Twin Oaks Blvd
Kemah, TX 77565 2153 Tel: (281) 334-5222
Toll Free: No number available.
Fax: No number available.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 03:32:10 PM
Just found Underwater Expeditions new website!

http://topwaterexpeditions.com





Why would you change the Web address???


Maybe we are starting to apply some pressure after all?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 03:34:38 PM
Editing Underwater for Superior.  Sorry.......




Jen....Coincidences do happen I just heard from My source and I was told that the name on the PO Box in Novemeber 2007 was Louis Schaefer Underwater Expeditions.....How Ya like Them apples.....Even though The Trahan Cooper info matched it turns out that the Money was going straight to Schaefer.....This information came directly from a postal employee....

Well then!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mr "I'm funding this search" Schaefer was doing so with OUR money.

Oh.  That opens up SO many doors here!!

Thank you Hotping!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did he share any of that with Silvetti to pay Kyle's invoices?

Hmmm.................guess that means that anyone who contributed a donation directly to that PO Box legally owns a portion of that ROV footage?  The footage Kyle told us Schaefer SOLD for a documentary.

Or at least, if donors don't own a portion of it................surely they have some rights to see everything that was recorded?

Surely they also have the right to see the ship's logs?

Surely they also have the right to see how their money was spent, in direct correlation to other monies that came in for donations?  Like say..............from corporations?  From TES?  From..................AHATA?!

Far as I know - Neither Louis Schaefer Jr, nor Underwater Expeditions are financially structured as trust funds?  Or charitable companies/entities?



Kyle told us that UE had been "dissolved" and Trahan "fired" in July 2008.

This was A HUGE issue when litigation was being discussed over Freebirds publishing this info.

I am SO angry right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyNoNo::
[/quote]

I'm so sorry, Jen.

Schaefer's people were dumbasses!  He already has a foundation - all they had to do was register the PO Box to the foundation.

Lucky for us they didn't!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 03:39:24 PM
Just found Underwater Expeditions new website!

http://topwaterexpeditions.com





Why would you change the Web address???


Maybe we are starting to apply some pressure after all?


Maybe!It is amazing how you can sell close to a 100 million in stock,bankrupt Superior offshore,move the assets,Bankrupt Captain Elliot's,Fund a multi-million dollar search in Aruba,start a foundation, start Legacy offshore,and continue with Underwater Expeditions.Absolutely AMAZING...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 03:41:14 PM

Book Information
Every Breath You Take, by Judith Mcnaught
Download: You must sign in to Bookshare to download.

Brief Synopsis: Kate Donovan and Mitchell Wyatt spend an idyllic time on a tropical island, but a scandal forces the lovers apart.
Long Synopsis: Kate Donovan and Mitchell Wyatt spend an idyllic time on a tropical island, but a scandal forces the lovers apart.
Book Quality: Excellent
Book Size: 495 Pages
ISBN-10: 0345479912
ISBN-13: 9780345479914
Publisher: N/A
Date of Addition: 11/06/06
Copyright Date: 2006
Copyrighted By: Eagle Syndication, Inc.
Adult content: No
Language: English
Categories: Romance
Submitted By: New York Times Books
Proofread By: New York Times Books
Restrictions: This is a copyrighted book.
Availability: This book is available to members from The United States

http://www.bookshare.org/browse/legacy?id=40796&type=book

This proves that Eagle Syndication isn't just a name, they were doing business as early as 2006.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 03:47:31 PM
Eagle Syndication Inc
2210 Twin Oaks Blvd
Kemah, TX 77565 2153 Tel: (281) 334-5222
Toll Free: No number available.
Fax: No number available.

Here's a reort on Eagle Syndication

Business Name:EAGLE SYNDICATION INC
Mailing address:2210  Twin Oaks   Blvd,  Kemah,  TX  77565
Officer's address:2210  Twin Oaks   Blvd,  Kemah,  TX  77565
Registered Agent's address:2524  Highway 35,  ALVIN,  TX  77511
Start Date:01/10/1992
Expiration Date:00/00/0000
Nationality:Domestic
Status:Active, Accepted, Current
Duration:PERSIC Code:7822SIC
Description:Prerecorded Video Tapes (Wholesaling of)
Registered Agent:JUDITH MCHNAUGHT
Filing Number:0121890600
Record Number:10008_0207
FIPS Code:48
Address(es):2524  Highway 35,  ALVIN,  TX  77511
2210  Twin Oaks   Blvd,  Kemah,  TX  77565
2210  Twin Oaks   Blvd,  Kemah,  TX  77565
Officers/Directors:
Officer/Owner Name:MCNAUGHT,  M  JUDITH
Officer/Owner Name:MCNAUGHT,  M  JUDITH
Officer/Owner Name:MCNAUGHT,  M JUDITH
Associated Business(es):
Business Name:SCHAEFER MARINE HOLDINGS LLCBusiness Name:EAGLE SYNDICATION INC


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 03:50:06 PM

Jen,

Here's a little more proof UE was still doing business for you...dated September, 2008.

http://www.360tuna.com/forum/f59/underwater-expeditions-commitment-safety-3163/

Evidently they have some familiarity with being discussed on an internet forum.




Hey Kyle...You can run, but you cannot hide.  Tell the truth.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 03:53:35 PM
Business Name:EAGLE SYNDICATION INC

<snip>

Description:Prerecorded Video Tapes (Wholesaling of)
Registered Agent:JUDITH MCHNAUGHT
Filing Number:0121890600
Record Number:10008_0207
FIPS Code:48
Address(es):2524  Highway 35,  ALVIN,  TX  77511
2210  Twin Oaks   Blvd,  Kemah,  TX  77565
2210  Twin Oaks   Blvd,  Kemah,  TX  77565
Officers/Directors:
Officer/Owner Name:MCNAUGHT,  M  JUDITH
Officer/Owner Name:MCNAUGHT,  M  JUDITH
Officer/Owner Name:MCNAUGHT,  M JUDITH
Associated Business(es):
Business Name:SCHAEFER MARINE HOLDINGS LLCBusiness Name:EAGLE SYNDICATION INC

She's the author of the book!  What'd he do?  Publish his girlfriend's book?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 04:08:17 PM
Just found Underwater Expeditions new website!

http://topwaterexpeditions.com





I believe this one goes to it as well!

http://www.texasgulfcharters.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 04:35:17 PM

Captain Elliott's is still in business too.  I think they only sold the fishing charter side of the business to UE.



Entity Information:  CAPTAIN ELLIOTT'S PARTY BOATS, INC
PO BOX 3445
FREEPORT, TX 77542-1645
 
Status: IN GOOD STANDING NOT FOR DISSOLUTION OR WITHDRAWAL through May 15, 2009
Registered Agent: ELLIOTT M CUNDIEFF
222 WEST SECOND STREET
FREEPORT, TX 77541
Registered Agent Resignation Date: 
State of Formation: 
File Number: 0038117800 
SOS Registration Date: May 13, 1976
Taxpayer Number: 17418685602


http://ecpa.cpa.state.tx.us/coa/servlet/cpa.app.coa.CoaGetTp?Pg=tpid&Search_Nm=Captain%20Elliott%27%27s%20&Button=search&Search_ID=17418685602


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 04:37:23 PM

Captain Elliott's is still in business too.  I think they only sold the fishing charter side of the business to UE.



Entity Information:  CAPTAIN ELLIOTT'S PARTY BOATS, INC
PO BOX 3445
FREEPORT, TX 77542-1645
 
Status: IN GOOD STANDING NOT FOR DISSOLUTION OR WITHDRAWAL through May 15, 2009
Registered Agent: ELLIOTT M CUNDIEFF
222 WEST SECOND STREET
FREEPORT, TX 77541
Registered Agent Resignation Date: 
State of Formation: 
File Number: 0038117800 
SOS Registration Date: May 13, 1976
Taxpayer Number: 17418685602


http://ecpa.cpa.state.tx.us/coa/servlet/cpa.app.coa.CoaGetTp?Pg=tpid&Search_Nm=Captain%20Elliott%27%27s%20&Button=search&Search_ID=17418685602

I stand corrected!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 27, 2009, 04:43:22 PM
Just found Underwater Expeditions new website!

http://topwaterexpeditions.com





I believe this one goes to it as well!

http://www.texasgulfcharters.com/

Ha!  I was just about to post this. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 04:46:26 PM
Me too, KTF.  I think we were all basing that on what Kyle said, and Kyle lied! 

At the same time, UE could still have bankrupted the portion of the business they bought - wouldn't affect the rest of Cpt. Elliott's business that remained in the family.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 27, 2009, 04:54:54 PM
Editing Underwater for Superior.  Sorry.......




Jen....Coincidences do happen I just heard from My source and I was told that the name on the PO Box in Novemeber 2007 was Louis Schaefer Underwater Expeditions.....How Ya like Them apples.....Even though The Trahan Cooper info matched it turns out that the Money was going straight to Schaefer.....This information came directly from a postal employee....

Well then!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mr "I'm funding this search" Schaefer was doing so with OUR money.

Oh.  That opens up SO many doors here!!

Thank you Hotping!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did he share any of that with Silvetti to pay Kyle's invoices?

Hmmm.................guess that means that anyone who contributed a donation directly to that PO Box legally owns a portion of that ROV footage?  The footage Kyle told us Schaefer SOLD for a documentary.

Or at least, if donors don't own a portion of it................surely they have some rights to see everything that was recorded?

Surely they also have the right to see the ship's logs?

Surely they also have the right to see how their money was spent, in direct correlation to other monies that came in for donations?  Like say..............from corporations?  From TES?  From..................AHATA?!

Far as I know - Neither Louis Schaefer Jr, nor Underwater Expeditions are financially structured as trust funds?  Or charitable companies/entities?



Kyle told us that UE had been "dissolved" and Trahan "fired" in July 2008.

This was A HUGE issue when litigation was being discussed over Freebirds publishing this info.

I am SO angry right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm so sorry, Jen.

Schaefer's people were dumbasses!  He already has a foundation - all they had to do was register the PO Box to the foundation.

Lucky for us they didn't!


[/quote]

Yes - lucky for us.

All I can say at this point is - I really hope the Freebirds who sympathized with Kyle, believed his every word when the sh*t hit the fan about us publishing, and wound up throwing the rest of us - and Beth - under the bus are reading this today.

KTF - yes, you are correct.  Seems Kyle has dug himself quite the hole while trying to dissuade us from publishing the info about Jan 7th.  All the lying he did..............all the destruction he caused.......I'm just very upset by all of it.

You monkeys are doing a fantastic job in getting all the pieces put together.

I just hope something can be done about donations being taken by a man who was being touted as funding this trip out of the kindness of his heart.  A man who has burned so many people financially, emotionally...and criminally.

I do hope the SEC investigation and the class action suit aren't the end of it.  IMO, he now also has to answer to the trusting souls who donated their hard earned monies to him - thinking he was being honorable in wanting to bring Natalee home.  And to Natalee's family about this scam he perpetuated against them.

Keep digging, monkeys!!  The more information we are armed with, the easier it will be to recognize a contract award when we find it!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 05:02:13 PM
What a tangled web!The greed of these people WILL be their downfall... ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 27, 2009, 05:23:49 PM
Just found Underwater Expeditions new website!

http://topwaterexpeditions.com





I believe this one goes to it as well!

http://www.texasgulfcharters.com/

Ha!  I was just about to post this. 

The original domain is still coming up registered to Louis Schaefer, but topwaterexpeditions.com & texasgulfcharters.com are registered to a Randy Goode in Damon, TX, who has a cattle farm.  http://goodecattle.com/About%20Us.htm   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 05:26:13 PM
The confirmation order also provides that the following individuals shall constitute the initial members of the Post-Confirmation Committee for Superior Offshore International:

Ms. Claire Davis
Mr. Michael Parker
Mr. Bruce Lucas
Mr. Terry Braud
Mr. L. Don Miller


http://netdockets.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/superior-offshore-intl-plan-of-liquidation-confirmed/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 05:26:58 PM
Just found Underwater Expeditions new website!

http://topwaterexpeditions.com





I believe this one goes to it as well!

http://www.texasgulfcharters.com/

Ha!  I was just about to post this. 

The original domain is still coming up registered to Louis Schaefer, but topwaterexpeditions.com & texasgulfcharters.com are registered to a Randy Goode in Damon, TX, who has a cattle farm.  http://goodecattle.com/About%20Us.htm   

We WILL untangle the web! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 27, 2009, 05:31:05 PM

Book Information
Every Breath You Take, by Judith Mcnaught
Download: You must sign in to Bookshare to download.

Brief Synopsis: Kate Donovan and Mitchell Wyatt spend an idyllic time on a tropical island, but a scandal forces the lovers apart.
Long Synopsis: Kate Donovan and Mitchell Wyatt spend an idyllic time on a tropical island, but a scandal forces the lovers apart.
Book Quality: Excellent
Book Size: 495 Pages
ISBN-10: 0345479912
ISBN-13: 9780345479914
Publisher: N/A
Date of Addition: 11/06/06
Copyright Date: 2006
Copyrighted By: Eagle Syndication, Inc.
Adult content: No
Language: English
Categories: Romance
Submitted By: New York Times Books
Proofread By: New York Times Books
Restrictions: This is a copyrighted book.
Availability: This book is available to members from The United States

http://www.bookshare.org/browse/legacy?id=40796&type=book

This proves that Eagle Syndication isn't just a name, they were doing business as early as 2006.

This info bothers me a great deal.

Keep in mind, Kyle told us that Louis Schaefer sold the ROV footage to a company for the purposes of a documentary..............

Looks like this Eagle Syndication that Schaefer Marine Holdings owns is NO stranger to 'entertainment'.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 27, 2009, 05:33:34 PM
HELPPPPPPPP PLEASeeeeeee......I was going to lock Caylee and company just showed up...not going to be able to WAaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Help please??? Page 98 now  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: Thankssss


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 05:40:47 PM

Book Information
Every Breath You Take, by Judith Mcnaught
Download: You must sign in to Bookshare to download.

Brief Synopsis: Kate Donovan and Mitchell Wyatt spend an idyllic time on a tropical island, but a scandal forces the lovers apart.
Long Synopsis: Kate Donovan and Mitchell Wyatt spend an idyllic time on a tropical island, but a scandal forces the lovers apart.
Book Quality: Excellent
Book Size: 495 Pages
ISBN-10: 0345479912
ISBN-13: 9780345479914
Publisher: N/A
Date of Addition: 11/06/06
Copyright Date: 2006
Copyrighted By: Eagle Syndication, Inc.
Adult content: No
Language: English
Categories: Romance
Submitted By: New York Times Books
Proofread By: New York Times Books
Restrictions: This is a copyrighted book.
Availability: This book is available to members from The United States

http://www.bookshare.org/browse/legacy?id=40796&type=book

This proves that Eagle Syndication isn't just a name, they were doing business as early as 2006.

This info bothers me a great deal.

Keep in mind, Kyle told us that Louis Schaefer sold the ROV footage to a company for the purposes of a documentary..............

Looks like this Eagle Syndication that Schaefer Marine Holdings owns is NO stranger to 'entertainment'.

That could potentially have been one of the incentives?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 27, 2009, 05:44:59 PM
Very well could have been, ktf!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on February 27, 2009, 05:45:55 PM
Have a great weekend Monkeys!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 05:47:11 PM
Have a great weekend Monkeys!

Same to you Jen! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 05:48:52 PM
Was it R Joshua Koch and Schaefer that We needed to find a connection between?

TIA   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 05:50:16 PM
Thanks Jen and You Have a Good Weekend Too!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 05:50:37 PM
Was it R Joshua Koch and Schaefer that We needed to find a connection between?

TIA   

We have the connection on them but what i was trying to find was if they were connected to Superior Energy?You may have new info on Koch and Schaefer throw it out there!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: bc73 on February 27, 2009, 05:52:39 PM
Jen, I didn't want to stack quote so in regards to "Hmmm.................guess that means that anyone who contributed a donation directly to that PO Box legally owns a portion of that ROV footage?  The footage Kyle told us Schaefer SOLD for a documentary.", you are at the very least onto something VERY BIG. Any activity that happens through a p.o box,or  mailbox, becomes a US Postal Inspection issue, in regards to fraud, "stolen" mail, or even fraudulent donations. I feel if I made a donation in good faith to a certain group, or a non profit organization and it wasn't applied the way it was stated for use, I would feel "schemed", and so wouldn't the Postal Service. The individuals would be investigated, and I will guarantee you would have some rights as a donor toward information. It looks as though you have everything you need, but please let me know if there are any numbers(Inspectional Services), or addresses, or absolutely anything regarding this, and I will get on it asap. Good research per usual everyone.....



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 27, 2009, 05:53:39 PM
Hat tip to Anna!

I will now always refer to Tim trahan as: Tim "LightTanks" Trahan!!

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 27, 2009, 05:57:52 PM
Have a great weekend Monkeys!

You, too, Jen.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 27, 2009, 06:04:55 PM
Hat tip to Anna!

I will now always refer to Tim trahan as: Tim "LightTanks" Trahan!!

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyWink::


And who says I contributed nothing to all this research!




 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 06:08:25 PM
Might not be anything but looks like They have all used the same address
105 Nellies Ln Broussard La 70518





6.  KOCH, JOSHUA   105 Nellies Ln , BROUSSARD, LA 70518         
7.  SCHAEEFER, GRAHAM 

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 GREENHEAD RENTALS, LLC  105 Nellies Ln , BROUSSARD, LA 70518           
8.  SEHAEFER, LOUIS   105 Nellies Ln , BROUSSARD, LA 70518     (337) 839-9228  Possible Relatives:

SEHAEFER, GRAHAM L 
9.  SEHAEFER, GRAHAM L  105 Nellies Ln , BROUSSARD, LA 70518     
SEHAEFER, LOUIS  View Details 
10.  SCHAEFER, GRAHAM LOUIS

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 THE LOUIS E SCHAEFER, JR FOUNDATION  105 Nellies Ln , BROUSSARD, LA 70518
1021 Main St  #1150, HOUSTON, TX 77002       

SCHAEFER, LOUIS E
SCHAEFER, JAMES SCOTT (Age 40)
SCHAEFER, CATHERINE A
SCHAEFER, STEPHEN J


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 06:19:13 PM
Riverstone Holdings LLC
SnapshotPeople OverviewBoard of DirectorsCommittees 
EXECUTIVE PROFILE
Stephen J. Schaefer CFA    
Managing Director, Riverstone Holdings LLC 1111
Age Total Annual Compensation This person is connected to 7 board of directors in 7 different organizations across 1 different industries.

See Board Relationships
44 --
 
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=641685&privcapId=4218463&previousCapId=4218463&previousTitle=Riverstone%20Holdings%20LLC

BACKGROUND

Mr. Stephen J. Schaefer was a Managing Director of Riverstone Holdings LLC. He joined the firm in December 2004 and was based in Houston. Mr. Schaefer focused on investment opportunities in the energy and power sectors, with a primary emphasis on the power segment of the energy industry. He has been exclusively involved in the energy industry since 1993. Mr. Schaefer has bought, sold and managed power generation facilities, trading companies, mid-stream natural gas assets, ... and regulated gas and electric utilities in the United States, Latin America and Europe. His most extensive involvement has been in non-regulated power projects. Mr. Schaefer has led or had a material involvement in transactions involving more than 14,000 megawatts and an aggregate transaction value in excess of $8.5 billion. Prior to joining Riverstone, he was a Managing Director with Huron Consulting Group, where he founded and headed its Energy Practice. While at Huron, Mr. Schaefer served as the interim Chief Executive Officer for a merchant generation company. He advised buyers, bank groups and creditors committees regarding power assets, including the Mirant and National Energy Group bankruptcies. Prior to joining Huron, Mr. Schaefer was a Vice President of Acquisitions and Divestitures for Duke Energy. His responsibilities included all aspects regarding the acquisition, management and divestiture of power activities, including generation facilities, trading books and trading companies. Before joining Duke, Mr. Schaefer served as a Vice President of LG&E International, responsible for domestic and international mergers and acquisitions and as the Director of Business Development for LG&E Energy Corporation. He started his career in 1987 in the Financial Advisory Group at Ernst & Young in New York. Mr. Schaefer is a Member of the Investment Committee for the Carlyle/Riverstone Renewable Energy Infrastructure Fund I. He also serves on the Boards of Directors for Topaz Power Group, Bottle Rock Power, Coastal Carolina Clean Power, Collingwood Ethanol and Green Earth Fuels. Mr. Schaefer served on the Board of Directors or the Management Committees for Huron subsidiaries. He is a qualified C.F.A. Mr. Schaefer received a B.S., magna cum laude, in Finance and Accounting from Northeastern University in 1987.
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 06:26:55 PM
Is he related to Louis E Schaefer Jr??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 27, 2009, 06:52:06 PM
 Keep in mind that Louis Schafer already had plans to map for oil in Aruba and put up a million dollars to do that and look for Natalee Holloway.


4/25/07 - Louis Schafer and R. JOSHUA KOCH, JR. were selling their stocks
Schaefer sold or otherwise disposed of over 1.725 million shares of his Superior Offshore stock for proceeds of $25.87 million in the Offering.

Defendant Koch prepared and signed the materially false and misleading Registration Statement.
Koch sold 1.3 million shares of Superior Offshore stock through Schaefer Holdings LLP for proceeds of $19.5 million in the Offering. During the relevant period, Koch sold an additional 64,667 shares of his Superior Offshore stock for proceeds of over $634,486.15.
Source: Case 6:08-cv-00400
Document 1
Filed 03/25/2008
Page 5 of 24

BUSY NOVEMBER FOR LOUIS SCHAFER

Thursday, November 15, 2007
Superior names Persky chairman
Houston Business Journal

Superior Offshore International Inc. has appointed James Persky as board chairman.
Persky replaces Louis Schaefer Jr., founder of the Houston subsea construction and commercial diving service provider, who retired and resigned from the board on Nov. 14.
Persky has been a director of Superior Offshore (NASDAQ: DEEP) since April.
http://houston.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2007/11/12/daily38.html?jst=s_cn_hl


11/20/2007 - NEW
Louis Schaefer and Charles Zamora register Legacy Offshore, LLC; a Louisiana Limited Liability Companyhttp://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4584.msg690661#msg690661

NOW WE SEE LOUIS SCHAEFER SELLING OFF HIS STOCK AFTER HAVING SET UP ANOTHER COMPANY LEGACY OFFSHORE:


NOVEMBER 2007 LOUIS SCHAEFER SELLS MORE OF HIS STOCKS:
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.84
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR
Sell 94 $8.82
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 62 $8.80
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 187 $8.75
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 125 $8.74
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.72
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 313 $8.71
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 658 $8.70
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 313 $8.69
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.68
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.64
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.60
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.50
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.42
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.34
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.23
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.22
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 62 $8.17

DECEMBER 2007 - RV PERSISTENCE DISCOVERED THE TRAP/DATELINE ON BOARD TO FILM.


JANUARY 4, 2008 - LOUIS BUYS Captain Elliott’s sells fishing operations
By Hunter Sauls
The Facts     
Published January 4, 2008
FREEPORT — As longtime owners of the charter fishing tour boats of Captain Elliott’s Party Boats pull out of the recreational fishing business — the new owner, Underwater Expeditions, is baiting their hooks.


JANUARY 7  - DIVES ON CAGE


BY FEB LOUIS' SUPERIOR OFFSHORE IS HAVING MONEY PROBLEMS (KEEPING IN MIND HE HAS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS NOW IN HIS POCKET FROM THIS COMPANY)

FEBRUARY 1, 2008 Superior is reorganizing & in a cash flow crunch.
http://tinyurl.com/55995b

FEBUARY 14 - KYLE IS IN USA TRYING TO "STRIKE A DEAL" under the direction of Louis and Tim Terhan. (Tim Tehran being a finacial guy. Louis being a business man looking for what? - MONEY).

FEBRUARY 29 LAWSUIT ANNOUNCED ON SCHAEFFER'S COMPANY BY A LAW FIRM IN LOUISIANA
http://au.us.biz.yahoo.com/iw/080229/0368776.html
 


BUT OFFSHORE AND LOUIS SCHAFER'S NEW COMPANY LEGACY SWITCH ASSETS: (IS THIS LEGAL - DUMP SHARES AND MAKE MILLIONS, SWITCH ASSETS AND BE ON THE BOARD OF THE COMPANY THAT YOU'RE SWITCHING ASSETS TOO?)
AND

ASK FOR DONATIONS



March 1, 2008 LegallyLex Posted at BFN - about the Persistence leaving and needing more money

APRIL 1, 2008 - SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL INC. NT 10-K, 4/1/2008, 12/31/2007, View this filing in your web browser with section navigation. ...
www.edgar-online.com/brand/CreditRisk/search/?sym=DEEP


ASSET PURCHASE AGREEMENT
DATED AS OF APRIL 3, 2008
BY AND BETWEEN
SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL, INC.
AND
LEGACY OFFSHORE, L.L.C.
http://sec.edgar-online.com/superior-offshore-international-inc/8-k-current-report-filing/2008/04/15/Section8.aspx

April 3, 2008 - John Silvetti makes his first Posted at BFN dsurveyor1
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee

APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million
http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/

APRIL 24 OF ALL OF THE OFFICERS RESIGNED FROM SUPERIOR OFFSHORE COMPANY

APRIL 25 THEY ANNOUNCED FILING A CHAPTER 11 BANKRUPTCY
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080425/laf521.html?.v=2





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 27, 2009, 06:55:12 PM
DANA PRETZER - TONIGHT

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/Pretzer022709.jpg)

www.scaredmonkeysradio.com


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 27, 2009, 06:56:34 PM
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/1028/timtehrantimmillerlouis.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 27, 2009, 07:04:03 PM
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/1028/timtehrantimmillerlouis.jpg)


How did Schaefer lose his leg?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 27, 2009, 07:10:12 PM
Keep in mind that Louis Schafer already had plans to map for oil in Aruba and put up a million dollars to do that and look for Natalee Holloway.


4/25/07 - Louis Schafer and R. JOSHUA KOCH, JR. were selling their stocks
Schaefer sold or otherwise disposed of over 1.725 million shares of his Superior Offshore stock for proceeds of $25.87 million in the Offering.

Defendant Koch prepared and signed the materially false and misleading Registration Statement.
Koch sold 1.3 million shares of Superior Offshore stock through Schaefer Holdings LLP for proceeds of $19.5 million in the Offering. During the relevant period, Koch sold an additional 64,667 shares of his Superior Offshore stock for proceeds of over $634,486.15.
Source: Case 6:08-cv-00400
Document 1
Filed 03/25/2008
Page 5 of 24

BUSY NOVEMBER FOR LOUIS SCHAFER

Thursday, November 15, 2007
Superior names Persky chairman
Houston Business Journal

Superior Offshore International Inc. has appointed James Persky as board chairman.
Persky replaces Louis Schaefer Jr., founder of the Houston subsea construction and commercial diving service provider, who retired and resigned from the board on Nov. 14.
Persky has been a director of Superior Offshore (NASDAQ: DEEP) since April.
http://houston.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2007/11/12/daily38.html?jst=s_cn_hl


11/20/2007 - NEW
Louis Schaefer and Charles Zamora register Legacy Offshore, LLC; a Louisiana Limited Liability Companyhttp://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4584.msg690661#msg690661

NOW WE SEE LOUIS SCHAEFER SELLING OFF HIS STOCK AFTER HAVING SET UP ANOTHER COMPANY LEGACY OFFSHORE:


NOVEMBER 2007 LOUIS SCHAEFER SELLS MORE OF HIS STOCKS:
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.84
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR
Sell 94 $8.82
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 62 $8.80
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 187 $8.75
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 125 $8.74
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.72
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 313 $8.71
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 658 $8.70
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 313 $8.69
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.68
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.64
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.60
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.50
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.42
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.34
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.23
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.22
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 62 $8.17

DECEMBER 2007 - RV PERSISTENCE DISCOVERED THE TRAP/DATELINE ON BOARD TO FILM.


JANUARY 4, 2008 - LOUIS BUYS Captain Elliott’s sells fishing operations
By Hunter Sauls
The Facts     
Published January 4, 2008
FREEPORT — As longtime owners of the charter fishing tour boats of Captain Elliott’s Party Boats pull out of the recreational fishing business — the new owner, Underwater Expeditions, is baiting their hooks.


JANUARY 7  - DIVES ON CAGE


BY FEB LOUIS' SUPERIOR OFFSHORE IS HAVING MONEY PROBLEMS (KEEPING IN MIND HE HAS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS NOW IN HIS POCKET FROM THIS COMPANY)

FEBRUARY 1, 2008 Superior is reorganizing & in a cash flow crunch.
http://tinyurl.com/55995b

FEBUARY 14 - KYLE IS IN USA TRYING TO "STRIKE A DEAL" under the direction of Louis and Tim Terhan. (Tim Tehran being a finacial guy. Louis being a business man looking for what? - MONEY).

FEBRUARY 29 LAWSUIT ANNOUNCED ON SCHAEFFER'S COMPANY BY A LAW FIRM IN LOUISIANA
http://au.us.biz.yahoo.com/iw/080229/0368776.html
 


BUT OFFSHORE AND LOUIS SCHAFER'S NEW COMPANY LEGACY SWITCH ASSETS: (IS THIS LEGAL - DUMP SHARES AND MAKE MILLIONS, SWITCH ASSETS AND BE ON THE BOARD OF THE COMPANY THAT YOU'RE SWITCHING ASSETS TOO?)
AND

ASK FOR DONATIONS



March 1, 2008 LegallyLex Posted at BFN - about the Persistence leaving and needing more money

APRIL 1, 2008 - SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL INC. NT 10-K, 4/1/2008, 12/31/2007, View this filing in your web browser with section navigation. ...
www.edgar-online.com/brand/CreditRisk/search/?sym=DEEP


ASSET PURCHASE AGREEMENT
DATED AS OF APRIL 3, 2008
BY AND BETWEEN
SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL, INC.
AND
LEGACY OFFSHORE, L.L.C.
http://sec.edgar-online.com/superior-offshore-international-inc/8-k-current-report-filing/2008/04/15/Section8.aspx

April 3, 2008 - John Silvetti makes his first Posted at BFN dsurveyor1
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee

APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million
http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/

APRIL 24 OF ALL OF THE OFFICERS RESIGNED FROM SUPERIOR OFFSHORE COMPANY

APRIL 25 THEY ANNOUNCED FILING A CHAPTER 11 BANKRUPTCY
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080425/laf521.html?.v=2





Looks like that is all the SEC should need to convict.  It is a lot more than they had on
Martha Stewart.

Kermit move April 20, 2007 to the top of the list.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 27, 2009, 07:19:11 PM
Thank you Magnolia, I'll move it.
Yes I was thinking the same thing about the SEC investigation and the class action lawsuit.


Someone add up the money that Schafer made selling off stock TOTAL = $$$$







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 27, 2009, 07:20:22 PM
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=304537392
Is this Tim Tehran's Underwater Expeditions site and information for that Charter boat?

Underwater Expeditions
P.O. Box 2195
1010 West 2nd St.
Freeport, TX 77541    Ms. Evonn Caraway    979-233-1811
979-233-9444 (fax)    
Email:     info@underwaterexpeditions.com
Website:     n/a
http://www.brazosport.org/index.asp?pg=mbr&mbr=ltr&lid=85


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 07:20:37 PM
It still just amazes me that anyone could defend such people!Hero's,good-hearted.Are you kidding me???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 27, 2009, 07:22:06 PM
Thank you Magnolia, I'll move it.
Yes I was thinking the same thing about the SEC investigation and the class action lawsuit.


Someone add up the money that Schafer made selling off stock TOTAL = $$$$









I didn't mean to sound rude.  I said that with a smile on my face. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 27, 2009, 07:22:38 PM
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/1028/timtehrantimmillerlouis.jpg)


How did Schaefer lose his leg?

I don't know, but it must have been a BOGO at Payless.
Look at their sandals, they all look alike.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 27, 2009, 07:23:54 PM
Thank you Magnolia, I'll move it.
Yes I was thinking the same thing about the SEC investigation and the class action lawsuit.


Someone add up the money that Schafer made selling off stock TOTAL = $$$$









I didn't mean to sound rude.  I said that with a smile on my face. ::MonkeyHaHa::

You didn't sound rude at all.
No worries.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 27, 2009, 07:25:00 PM
It still just amazes me that anyone could defend such people!Hero's,good-hearted.Are you kidding me???

They sure do not paint a pretty picture as all you monkeys have uncovered.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 07:27:46 PM
Thank you Magnolia, I'll move it.
Yes I was thinking the same thing about the SEC investigation and the class action lawsuit.


Someone add up the money that Schafer made selling off stock TOTAL = $$$$




I found the Sec. of State registration for UE today - it was registered on 5/17/07, which is interesting because that's the same month that Schaefer called Dave Holloway, per Tim Miller.

We don't know the date he called (I don't), but I'm curious if UE was registered before or after that phone call.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 07:29:51 PM
Thank you Magnolia, I'll move it.
Yes I was thinking the same thing about the SEC investigation and the class action lawsuit.


Someone add up the money that Schafer made selling off stock TOTAL = $$$$




I found the Sec. of State registration for UE today - it was registered on 5/17/07, which is interesting because that's the same month that Schaefer called Dave Holloway, per Tim Miller.

We don't know the date he called (I don't), but I'm curious if UE was registered before or after that phone call.


Correction:  5/16/07


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 07:34:39 PM
Thank you Magnolia, I'll move it.
Yes I was thinking the same thing about the SEC investigation and the class action lawsuit.


Someone add up the money that Schafer made selling off stock TOTAL = $$$$




I found the Sec. of State registration for UE today - it was registered on 5/17/07, which is interesting because that's the same month that Schaefer called Dave Holloway, per Tim Miller.

We don't know the date he called (I don't), but I'm curious if UE was registered before or after that phone call.


Correction:  5/16/07

I'm sure once the whole timeline comes together it will be very sickening!I look forward to the day the whole picture comes out and i go ahhhh haaaaa!!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 27, 2009, 07:36:05 PM
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/1028/timtehrantimmillerlouis.jpg)


How did Schaefer lose his leg?

I don't know, but it must have been a BOGO at Payless.
Look at their sandals, they all look alike.


I noticed that and thought they had been sandal shopping together.
Made me giggle.
Sandals don't seem ideal for being on a ship.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 27, 2009, 07:42:15 PM
Thank you Magnolia, I'll move it.
Yes I was thinking the same thing about the SEC investigation and the class action lawsuit.


Someone add up the money that Schafer made selling off stock TOTAL = $$$$







I have been trying to do the math. ::MonkeyConfused::

I keep getting lost....but it was a lot!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 27, 2009, 07:46:45 PM
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=304537392
Is this Tim Tehran's Underwater Expeditions site and information for that Charter boat?

Underwater Expeditions
P.O. Box 2195
1010 West 2nd St.
Freeport, TX 77541    Ms. Evonn Caraway    979-233-1811
979-233-9444 (fax)    
Email:     info@underwaterexpeditions.com
Website:     n/a
http://www.brazosport.org/index.asp?pg=mbr&mbr=ltr&lid=85


The phone number is the same on the new site that Lifesong or Hotping posted today.  http://www.topwaterexpeditions.com/

Not sure about the myspace....this computer bugs out when the graphics are too much.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 08:49:46 PM
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=304537392
Is this Tim Tehran's Underwater Expeditions site and information for that Charter boat?

Underwater Expeditions
P.O. Box 2195
1010 West 2nd St.
Freeport, TX 77541    Ms. Evonn Caraway    979-233-1811
979-233-9444 (fax)    
Email:     info@underwaterexpeditions.com
Website:     n/a
http://www.brazosport.org/index.asp?pg=mbr&mbr=ltr&lid=85


The phone number is the same on the new site that Lifesong or Hotping posted today.  http://www.topwaterexpeditions.com/

Not sure about the myspace....this computer bugs out when the graphics are too much.
When I looked up 1010 West 2nd St Freeport I got this info


  CUNDIEFF, ELLIOTT M

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 C & M BOATS INC Boat Dealers
 C & M BOATS INC Boat Dealers
 C M BOATS INC Boat Dealers
 C M BOATS INC Boat Dealers
 CAPT ELLIOTT''S SEAFOOD INC Meat Markets
 C & M BOATS, INC
 CAPT ELLIOTTS SEAFOOD, INC
 CAPTAIN ELLIOTTS PARTY BOATS, INC
 COBIA CHARTERS, INC
 FREEPORT CREW BOATS, INC 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 27, 2009, 08:52:48 PM
STARTS IN JUST A FEW MINUTES!

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http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 27, 2009, 08:57:19 PM


Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: always 1 on February 27, 2009, 08:59:37 PM
I found some articles about Louis Schaefer Jr. that I do not know if they are important or not.  They are court documents.  One of them he signed a Power of Attorney to different people for his company Superior Offshore Int and another company, and other things. I sent it to Klaasend to look at.  A1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 09:02:09 PM
I found some articles about Louis Schaefer Jr. that I do not know if they are important or not.  They are court documents.  One of them he signed a Power of Attorney to different people for his company Superior Offshore Int and another company, and other things. I sent it to Klaasend to look at.  A1

There are a lot of them Always1!It is appreciated.. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 27, 2009, 09:02:35 PM
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3821&Itemid=1

Papiamentu translation:

have indicasion cu another person owing to die for negligencia at hospital

friday, 27 february 2009 oranjestad – informacion cu good morning aruba owing to logro compila for of fuentenan directamente envolvi cu the caso here, is indica cu another caso of negligencia can did take lugar at hospital relaciona cu one person cu owing to fayece tuesday ultimo. is deal of the victima “jairo” of venezuela that owing to wordo maltrata in end of week, esta diadomingo madruga. past owing to being maltrata cu one obheto at cabes, y after of two day past owing to die, eventualmente for motibo of negligencia of hospital once more. according informacion cu good morning aruba owing to compila of various fountain, hour cu the melding owing to enter relaciona cu the caso of maltrato here, the victima owing to wordo atendi for personal of ambulance first, y after they owing to hibe poli. according one fountain owing to informa good morning aruba, hour cu the person here owing to being take away for first trip at poli, neither sikiera they owing to cose the person here despite cu the was bleed, because the was fastioso, y police owing to bay cune y bahe bek near of wan boy. one rato after near of 6'or ambulance have to owing to bay again for direccion of wan boy, caminda have one man at blood. hour cu ambulance owing to arrive they owing to notice cu is deal of same person. y they owing to notice also cu the same injury is bleed profusamente. they owing to calling poli puntranan if they owing to cose the injury, y poli owing to tell cu not, they not owing to cose, because the was fastioso y they owing to mande cu police, so the fountain consulta for good morning aruba owing to indica. then after of owing to atende at poli for of two trip, they owing to send jairo cas again, in the caso here shelter. for 2 'or of nightfall ambulance have to owing to buske again, y akinan the was in coma y owing to die tuesday ultimo. do not conoci if one denuncia serious owing to wordo haci on the caso regrettable here cu is refleha eventualmente one caso evidente of negligencia again of part of hospital. good morning aruba is deal of take contacto cu hospital for so as his near of medaya on the situation here. will is good for start one investigacion y let this determina if is motibo of negligencia one another person is die in hand of hospital. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 27, 2009, 09:17:39 PM
Thank you Magnolia, I'll move it.
Yes I was thinking the same thing about the SEC investigation and the class action lawsuit.


Someone add up the money that Schafer made selling off stock TOTAL = $$$$







I have been trying to do the math. ::MonkeyConfused::

I keep getting lost....but it was a lot!

From my figgering, Schaefer collected in excess of $200,000,000.00(two hundred million)
I am sure he did not get to keep it all for himself, but he got the lion's share.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 09:29:07 PM
Thank you Magnolia, I'll move it.
Yes I was thinking the same thing about the SEC investigation and the class action lawsuit.


Someone add up the money that Schafer made selling off stock TOTAL = $$$$







I have been trying to do the math. ::MonkeyConfused::

I keep getting lost....but it was a lot!

From my figgering, Schaefer collected in excess of $200,000,000.00(two hundred million)
I am sure he did not get to keep it all for himself, but he got the lion's share.

But,but Magnolia.They had NO MORE MONEY for the search! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 27, 2009, 09:56:39 PM
Thank you Magnolia, I'll move it.
Yes I was thinking the same thing about the SEC investigation and the class action lawsuit.


Someone add up the money that Schafer made selling off stock TOTAL = $$$$







I have been trying to do the math. ::MonkeyConfused::

I keep getting lost....but it was a lot!

From my figgering, Schaefer collected in excess of $200,000,000.00(two hundred million)
I am sure he did not get to keep it all for himself, but he got the lion's share.

But,but Magnolia.They had NO MORE MONEY for the search! ::MonkeyLaugh::

Well, let me get out my checkbook.  I want to help!  Ba ::MonkeyRoll::ah!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on February 27, 2009, 10:01:10 PM
Might not be anything but looks like They have all used the same address
105 Nellies Ln Broussard La 70518





6.  KOCH, JOSHUA   105 Nellies Ln , BROUSSARD, LA 70518         
7.  SCHAEEFER, GRAHAM 

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 GREENHEAD RENTALS, LLC  105 Nellies Ln , BROUSSARD, LA 70518           
8.  SEHAEFER, LOUIS   105 Nellies Ln , BROUSSARD, LA 70518     (337) 839-9228  Possible Relatives:

SEHAEFER, GRAHAM L 
9.  SEHAEFER, GRAHAM L  105 Nellies Ln , BROUSSARD, LA 70518     
SEHAEFER, LOUIS  View Details 
10.  SCHAEFER, GRAHAM LOUIS

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 THE LOUIS E SCHAEFER, JR FOUNDATION  105 Nellies Ln , BROUSSARD, LA 70518
1021 Main St  #1150, HOUSTON, TX 77002       

SCHAEFER, LOUIS E
SCHAEFER, JAMES SCOTT (Age 40)
SCHAEFER, CATHERINE A
SCHAEFER, STEPHEN J


Broussard, LA. is a suburb of Lafayette, LA. Hope this helps.
Cajun Miracle


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 10:01:53 PM
Thank you Magnolia, I'll move it.
Yes I was thinking the same thing about the SEC investigation and the class action lawsuit.


Someone add up the money that Schafer made selling off stock TOTAL = $$$$







I have been trying to do the math. ::MonkeyConfused::

I keep getting lost....but it was a lot!

From my figgering, Schaefer collected in excess of $200,000,000.00(two hundred million)
I am sure he did not get to keep it all for himself, but he got the lion's share.

But,but Magnolia.They had NO MORE MONEY for the search! ::MonkeyLaugh::

Well, let me get out my checkbook.  I want to help!  Ba ::MonkeyRoll::ah!!

I'm funding this search outta the kindest of my heart,we have no money left to search but,please continue to donate your money to a multi-millionaire that just ripped off his stock-holders for hundreds of millions of dollars!!Hero's...I beg to differ.. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 27, 2009, 10:03:54 PM
I went to Superior Energy website:
http://ir.superiorenergy.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=97570&p=irol-inforeq
Asked the following question online.
I am requesting this information as a(n):  Individual Investor

Comment:  Any relations to Superior Offshore/ Louis Schaefer Jr, R Joshua Koch

Got the following response:
No.

-----Original Message----
From: IR-MGR
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 1:05 AM
To: Rosenstein, Greg
Subject: Superior Energy Services Mail Fulfillment

A visitor to the Investor Relations web site of Superior Energy Services has submitted a mail fulfillment request for the following items:
QUANTITY       MATERIAL
PERSONAL INFORMATION
Salutation:             
First Name:              bill
Last Name:               b
                 
               
Country:                 US

I am requesting this information as a(n):  Individual Investor

Comment:  Any relations to Superior Offshore/ Louis Schaefer Jr, R Joshua Koch



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 27, 2009, 10:05:18 PM
I went to Superior Energy website:
http://ir.superiorenergy.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=97570&p=irol-inforeq
Asked the following question online.
I am requesting this information as a(n):  Individual Investor

Comment:  Any relations to Superior Offshore/ Louis Schaefer Jr, R Joshua Koch

Got the following response:
No.

-----Original Message----
From: IR-MGR
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 1:05 AM
To: Rosenstein, Greg
Subject: Superior Energy Services Mail Fulfillment

A visitor to the Investor Relations web site of Superior Energy Services has submitted a mail fulfillment request for the following items:
QUANTITY       MATERIAL
PERSONAL INFORMATION
Salutation:             
First Name:              bill
Last Name:               b
                 
               
Country:                 US

I am requesting this information as a(n):  Individual Investor

Comment:  Any relations to Superior Offshore/ Louis Schaefer Jr, R Joshua Koch


Guess they never heard of superior offshore.... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 10:06:53 PM
I went to Superior Energy website:
http://ir.superiorenergy.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=97570&p=irol-inforeq
Asked the following question online.
I am requesting this information as a(n):  Individual Investor

Comment:  Any relations to Superior Offshore/ Louis Schaefer Jr, R Joshua Koch

Got the following response:
No.

-----Original Message----
From: IR-MGR
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 1:05 AM
To: Rosenstein, Greg
Subject: Superior Energy Services Mail Fulfillment

A visitor to the Investor Relations web site of Superior Energy Services has submitted a mail fulfillment request for the following items:
QUANTITY       MATERIAL
PERSONAL INFORMATION
Salutation:             
First Name:              bill
Last Name:               b
                 
               
Country:                 US

I am requesting this information as a(n):  Individual Investor

Comment:  Any relations to Superior Offshore/ Louis Schaefer Jr, R Joshua Koch


Guess they never heard of superior offshore.... ::MonkeyEek::


Find that hard to believe for some reason!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 27, 2009, 10:08:58 PM
Thank you Magnolia, I'll move it.
Yes I was thinking the same thing about the SEC investigation and the class action lawsuit.


Someone add up the money that Schafer made selling off stock TOTAL = $$$$







I have been trying to do the math. ::MonkeyConfused::

I keep getting lost....but it was a lot!

From my figgering, Schaefer collected in excess of $200,000,000.00(two hundred million)
I am sure he did not get to keep it all for himself, but he got the lion's share.

But,but Magnolia.They had NO MORE MONEY for the search! ::MonkeyLaugh::

Well, let me get out my checkbook.  I want to help!  Ba ::MonkeyRoll::ah!!

I'm funding this search outta the kindest of my heart,we have no money left to search but,please continue to donate your money to a multi-millionaire that just ripped off his stock-holders for hundreds of millions of dollars!!Hero's...I beg to differ.. ::MonkeyTongue::

What on earth make them put out the call for donations? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 10:11:58 PM
Thank you Magnolia, I'll move it.
Yes I was thinking the same thing about the SEC investigation and the class action lawsuit.


Someone add up the money that Schafer made selling off stock TOTAL = $$$$







I have been trying to do the math. ::MonkeyConfused::

I keep getting lost....but it was a lot!

From my figgering, Schaefer collected in excess of $200,000,000.00(two hundred million)
I am sure he did not get to keep it all for himself, but he got the lion's share.

But,but Magnolia.They had NO MORE MONEY for the search! ::MonkeyLaugh::

Well, let me get out my checkbook.  I want to help!  Ba ::MonkeyRoll::ah!!

I'm funding this search outta the kindest of my heart,we have no money left to search but,please continue to donate your money to a multi-millionaire that just ripped off his stock-holders for hundreds of millions of dollars!!Hero's...I beg to differ.. ::MonkeyTongue::

What on earth make them put out the call for donations? 
Stupidity and Greed!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 10:13:15 PM
Thank you Magnolia, I'll move it.
Yes I was thinking the same thing about the SEC investigation and the class action lawsuit.


Someone add up the money that Schafer made selling off stock TOTAL = $$$$







I have been trying to do the math. ::MonkeyConfused::

I keep getting lost....but it was a lot!

From my figgering, Schaefer collected in excess of $200,000,000.00(two hundred million)
I am sure he did not get to keep it all for himself, but he got the lion's share.

But,but Magnolia.They had NO MORE MONEY for the search! ::MonkeyLaugh::

Well, let me get out my checkbook.  I want to help!  Ba ::MonkeyRoll::ah!!

I'm funding this search outta the kindest of my heart,we have no money left to search but,please continue to donate your money to a multi-millionaire that just ripped off his stock-holders for hundreds of millions of dollars!!Hero's...I beg to differ.. ::MonkeyTongue::

What on earth make them put out the call for donations? 


Not to be sarcastic but,that's the million dollar question..I would venture to say that FRAUD happens to be in their DNA?NO?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 27, 2009, 10:14:39 PM
I went to Superior Energy website:
http://ir.superiorenergy.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=97570&p=irol-inforeq
Asked the following question online.
I am requesting this information as a(n):  Individual Investor

Comment:  Any relations to Superior Offshore/ Louis Schaefer Jr, R Joshua Koch

Got the following response:
No.

-----Original Message----
From: IR-MGR
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 1:05 AM
To: Rosenstein, Greg
Subject: Superior Energy Services Mail Fulfillment

A visitor to the Investor Relations web site of Superior Energy Services has submitted a mail fulfillment request for the following items:
QUANTITY       MATERIAL
PERSONAL INFORMATION
Salutation:             
First Name:              bill
Last Name:               b
                 
               
Country:                 US

I am requesting this information as a(n):  Individual Investor

Comment:  Any relations to Superior Offshore/ Louis Schaefer Jr, R Joshua Koch


Guess they never heard of superior offshore.... ::MonkeyEek::


Find that hard to believe for some reason!
Yep...I agree. This is a very specific industry, and I find it hard to believe they haven't at least heard of superior offshore and its BODs.
What I bet is they HAVE heard of the lawsuits, and want to distance themselves are far as possible.
I asked the question as a potential investor...expected at least a short reply deny relations but leaving the door open if I wanted more info, or had more questions.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 10:20:02 PM
I went to Superior Energy website:
http://ir.superiorenergy.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=97570&p=irol-inforeq
Asked the following question online.
I am requesting this information as a(n):  Individual Investor

Comment:  Any relations to Superior Offshore/ Louis Schaefer Jr, R Joshua Koch

Got the following response:
No.

-----Original Message----
From: IR-MGR
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 1:05 AM
To: Rosenstein, Greg
Subject: Superior Energy Services Mail Fulfillment

A visitor to the Investor Relations web site of Superior Energy Services has submitted a mail fulfillment request for the following items:
QUANTITY       MATERIAL
PERSONAL INFORMATION
Salutation:             
First Name:              bill
Last Name:               b
                 
               
Country:                 US

I am requesting this information as a(n):  Individual Investor

Comment:  Any relations to Superior Offshore/ Louis Schaefer Jr, R Joshua Koch


Guess they never heard of superior offshore.... ::MonkeyEek::


Find that hard to believe for some reason!
Yep...I agree. This is a very specific industry, and I find it hard to believe they haven't at least heard of superior offshore and its BODs.
What I bet is they HAVE heard of the lawsuits, and want to distance themselves are far as possible.
I asked the question as a potential investor...expected at least a short reply deny relations but leaving the door open if I wanted more info, or had more questions.....

I don't know specifically how the website MarketVisual works but you click any of those names and the relationship connects to SuperiorEnergy!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 10:21:04 PM
Entities Related to Superior Energy Services Inc
 
Top 16 of 79 entities related to Superior Energy Services Inc. Search list by name:
Retrieving... 
  Map Robert S Taylor and Superior Energy Services Inc's 8 relationships 
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  Map KENNETH BLANCHARD and Superior Energy Services Inc's 7 relationships 
  Map A Patrick Bernard and Superior Energy Services Inc's 7 relationships 
  Map R Joshua Koch Jr and Superior Energy Services Inc's 7 relationships 
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  Map James Persky and Superior Energy Services Inc's 6 relationships 
  Map E Donald Terry  and Superior Energy Services Inc's 6 relationships 
  Map Richard A Pattarozzi and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 
  Map James J Mermis and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 
  Map Louis E Schaefer Jr and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 
  Map James M Funk and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 
  Map Harold J Bouillion and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 
  Map John F Guarisco and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 
  Map Enoch L Dawkins and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 27, 2009, 10:21:13 PM
With all of the money they had made off of insider trading, the little dab they
got from donations didn't amount to a hill of beans and yet it sets them up for
a mail fraud charge.
There is no end to their corruption.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 10:22:29 PM
With all of the money they had made off of insider trading, the little dab they
got from donations didn't amount to a hill of beans and yet it sets them up for
a mail fraud charge.
There is no end to their corruption.

They could've paid for everybody's sandel's Magnolia! ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 27, 2009, 10:24:31 PM
With all of the money they had made off of insider trading, the little dab they
got from donations didn't amount to a hill of beans and yet it sets them up for
a mail fraud charge.
There is no end to their corruption.
I agree...
The insider trading money is probably tucked away now in offshore banking set up by aruba...
The asking for donations was only cover for the ruse of the search for Natalee......
moo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 10:31:14 PM
Eagle Syndication Inc
2210 Twin Oaks Blvd
Kemah, TX 77565 2153 Tel: (281) 334-5222
Toll Free: No number available.
Fax: No number available.


FWIW. Got another address on Eagle Syndication from searching Texas' public database:

Taxpayer id: 17603591730
EAGLE SYNDICATION INC
4387 CEDAR BLUFF LN
FRISCO TX 75034

http://ecpa.cpa.state.tx.us/vendor/servlet/cpa.app.vendor.slstaxpermit1?Search=Search&action=Search&showtpid=M&taxid=both&unitnr=100&showform=N&oneloc=N&contype=J&cmbl=N&ssn=&&fei=&&tpid=17603591730&



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 27, 2009, 10:33:20 PM
Entities Related to Superior Energy Services Inc
 
Top 16 of 79 entities related to Superior Energy Services Inc. Search list by name:
Retrieving... 
  Map Robert S Taylor and Superior Energy Services Inc's 8 relationships 
  Map David Weinhoffer and Superior Energy Services Inc's 8 relationships 
  Map Lynton G Cook III and Superior Energy Services Inc's 8 relationships 
  Map KENNETH BLANCHARD and Superior Energy Services Inc's 7 relationships 
  Map A Patrick Bernard and Superior Energy Services Inc's 7 relationships 
  Map R Joshua Koch Jr and Superior Energy Services Inc's 7 relationships 
  Map Terence E Hall and Superior Energy Services Inc's 7 relationships 
  Map James Persky and Superior Energy Services Inc's 6 relationships 
  Map E Donald Terry  and Superior Energy Services Inc's 6 relationships 
  Map Richard A Pattarozzi and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 
  Map James J Mermis and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 
  Map Louis E Schaefer Jr and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 
  Map James M Funk and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 
  Map Harold J Bouillion and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 
  Map John F Guarisco and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 
  Map Enoch L Dawkins and Superior Energy Services Inc's 5 relationships 

A few different names on the 2007 Annual report.
Executive Officers
Terence E. Hall
Chairman and
Chief Executive Officer
Kenneth L. Blanchard
President and
Chief Operating Officer
Robert S. Taylor
Executive Vice President, Treasurer
and Chief Financial Officer
A. Patrick Bernard
Senior Executive Vice President
L. Guy Cook III
Executive Vice President
Charles M. Hardy
Executive Vice President
James A. Holleman
Executive Vice President
William B. Masters
Executive Vice President
Danny R. Young
Executive Vice President
Patrick J. Zuber
Executive Vice President
Design: CROXSON Design www.croxsondesign.com
Shareholder Information
Superior Energy Services, Inc.
1105 Peters Road Harvey, LA 70058
Phone: 504-362-4321 Fax: 504-362-4966
www.superiorenergy.com
Exchange
New York Stock Exchange
Ticker Symbol
SPN
Registrar and Transfer Agent
American Stock Transfer & Trust Company
59 Maiden Lane New York, NY 10038
Phone: 718-921-8200 Fax: 718-236-2641
Corporate Counsel
Jones, Walker, Waechter, Poitevent, Carrere
& Denegre, L.L.P. New Orleans, LA
Independent Accountants
KPMG LLP New Orleans, LA
Stockholder
inquiries should be addressed to Greg Rosenstein, Vice President
of Investor Relations and Corporate Secretary.
Certifications
Terence E. Hall and Robert S. Taylor have provided certifications
to the Securities and Exchange Commission as required by Section
302 of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002.
As required by the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE),
Terence E. Hall submitted his annual certification to the NYSE
that stated he was not aware of any violation by the company of
the NYSE corporate governance listing standards.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 27, 2009, 10:34:36 PM
With all of the money they had made off of insider trading, the little dab they
got from donations didn't amount to a hill of beans and yet it sets them up for
a mail fraud charge.
There is no end to their corruption.
I agree...
The insider trading money is probably tucked away now in offshore banking set up by aruba...
The asking for donations was only cover for the ruse of the search for Natalee......
moo

I think it was to make the search seem legit plus an excuse to get out of Aruba.
They must have stayed awake nights to dream this stuff up.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 10:40:32 PM

   
Louisiana Secretary of State
Detailed Record
Charter/Organization ID: 36708503K

Name: SEA TECH INDUSTRIES, L.L.C.  

Type Entity: Limited Liability Company

Status: Active

Annual Report Status: In Good Standing         Add Certificate of Good Standing to Shopping Cart

Mailing Address: 221 GUNTHER LANE, BELLE CHASE, LA 70037

Domicile Address: 221 GUNTHER LANE, BELLE CHASE, LA 70037

File Date: 04/02/2008

Registered Agent (Appointed 4/02/2008): LESLIE W. EHRET, 1100 POYDRAS STREET, SUITE 3600, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70163-3600

Member: LOUIS E. SCHAEFER, JR., 2210 TWIN OAKS BLVD., KEMAH, TX 77565

Member: BRANDON C. GASPARD, 221 GUNTHER LANE, BELLE CHASSE, LA 70037
 

Here's another LLC out of LA - can't remember if we've looked into this one or not - you got anything on it KTF?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 27, 2009, 10:42:50 PM
With all of the money they had made off of insider trading, the little dab they
got from donations didn't amount to a hill of beans and yet it sets them up for
a mail fraud charge.
There is no end to their corruption.
I agree...
The insider trading money is probably tucked away now in offshore banking set up by aruba...
The asking for donations was only cover for the ruse of the search for Natalee......
moo

I think it was to make the search seem legit plus an excuse to get out of Aruba.
They must have stayed awake nights to dream this stuff up.

Yes...they certainly appear to be big time con artist wrt investors and shuffling assets around,
I think I remember Klaasend was going to ask Red to ask Tim Miller his take on things, and I am looking forward to anything Tim M. may add with a response...
I CAN'T believe Tim M could be a willing participate in this alleged (still, there may be things we don't know that can explain the apparent shenanigans) betrayal by John S., Louis S., Kyle, and Tim T.
And if any of this betrayal is true at any level in an attempt to deceive Beth, Dave, and family....it will make me sick to the point where I just might have to add...
I HATE THEM ALL!! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 10:43:42 PM
Lifesong....The new address that You found for Eagle Syndications goes to none other than.....

.  MCNAUGHT, JUDITH   4387 Cedar Bluff Ln , FRISCO, TX 75034

 ::MonkeyWink::
   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 10:46:17 PM
Lifesong....The new address that You found for Eagle Syndications goes to none other than.....

.  MCNAUGHT, JUDITH   4387 Cedar Bluff Ln , FRISCO, TX 75034

 ::MonkeyWink::
   


Thanks, Hotping!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 10:48:47 PM
With all of the money they had made off of insider trading, the little dab they
got from donations didn't amount to a hill of beans and yet it sets them up for
a mail fraud charge.
There is no end to their corruption.
I agree...
The insider trading money is probably tucked away now in offshore banking set up by aruba...
The asking for donations was only cover for the ruse of the search for Natalee......
moo

I think it was to make the search seem legit plus an excuse to get out of Aruba.
They must have stayed awake nights to dream this stuff up.

Yes...they certainly appear to be big time con artist wrt investors and shuffling assets around,
I think I remember Klaasend was going to ask Red to ask Tim Miller his take on things, and I am looking forward to anything Tim M. may add with a response...
I CAN'T believe Tim M could be a willing participate in this alleged (still, there may be things we don't know that can explain the apparent shenanigans) betrayal by John S., Louis S., Kyle, and Tim T.
And if any of this betrayal is true at any level in an attempt to deceive Beth, Dave, and family....it will make me sick to the point where I just might have to add...
I HATE THEM ALL!! ::MonkeyCool::

I understand Tim miller doing what it takes to find missing people but aren't there others willing to come forward who aren't so SHADY to help him???Really.Think of the scenario of having Trahan,as well as Schaefer on site when they find a deceased missing person.God Forbid.They would be a Defense Attorney's dream!You think?Can you see Schaefer,and or Trahan taking the stand a pleading the fifth.... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 27, 2009, 10:49:00 PM
With all of the money they had made off of insider trading, the little dab they
got from donations didn't amount to a hill of beans and yet it sets them up for
a mail fraud charge.
There is no end to their corruption.
I agree...
The insider trading money is probably tucked away now in offshore banking set up by aruba...
The asking for donations was only cover for the ruse of the search for Natalee......
moo

I think it was to make the search seem legit plus an excuse to get out of Aruba.
They must have stayed awake nights to dream this stuff up.

Yes...they certainly appear to be big time con artist wrt investors and shuffling assets around,
I think I remember Klaasend was going to ask Red to ask Tim Miller his take on things, and I am looking forward to anything Tim M. may add with a response...
I CAN'T believe Tim M could be a willing participate in this alleged (still, there may be things we don't know that can explain the apparent shenanigans) betrayal by John S., Louis S., Kyle, and Tim T.
And if any of this betrayal is true at any level in an attempt to deceive Beth, Dave, and family....it will make me sick to the point where I just might have to add...
I HATE THEM ALL!! ::MonkeyCool::

Me too! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 10:55:38 PM


I need some help guys - where on the timeline do you guys think these quotes should go?


Kyle: We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Kyle: This is what I'm trying to figure out now. I need to know the leak! I believe Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand

Kyle: I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.


Jossy Mansur
No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.


I've added a bunch of items and am hoping to update either late tonight or in the morning.

TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 27, 2009, 10:58:10 PM
Lifesong....The new address that You found for Eagle Syndications goes to none other than.....

.  MCNAUGHT, JUDITH   4387 Cedar Bluff Ln , FRISCO, TX 75034

 ::MonkeyWink::
   

Type of Work:    Text
Registration Number / Date:    TX0006337005 / 2006-04-07
Title:    Every breath you take : a novel / Judith McNaught.
Edition:    1st ed.
Imprint:    New York : Ballantine Books, c2005.
Description:    334 p.
Copyright Claimant:    Eagle Syndication, Inc.
Date of Creation:    2004
Date of Publication:    2005-12-27
   
Names:    McNaught, Judith
   Eagle Syndication, Inc.

Type of Work:    Text
Registration Number / Date:    TX0004169678 / 1995-11-21
Title:    Miracles / Judith McNaught.
Appears in:    A holiday of love, p. 93-166
Copyright Claimant:    Eagle Syndication, Inc.
Date of Creation:    1994
Date of Publication:    1994-10-27
   
Other Title:    A holiday of love
Names:    McNaught, Judith
   Eagle Syndication, Inc.


Type of Work:    Text
Registration Number / Date:    TX0002806217 / 1990-04-19
Title:    Almost heaven / Judith McNaught.
Description:    1 v.
Copyright Claimant:    Eagle Syndication, Inc.
Date of Creation:    1989
Date of Publication:    1990-04-12
Authorship on Application:    Eagle Syndication, Inc., employer for hire.
   
Names:    McNaught, Judith
   Eagle Syndication, Inc.






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 10:58:40 PM


I need some help guys - where on the timeline do you guys think these quotes should go?


Kyle: We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Kyle: This is what I'm trying to figure out now. I need to know the leak! I believe Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand

Kyle: I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.


Jossy Mansur
No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.


I've added a bunch of items and am hoping to update either late tonight or in the morning.

TIA


LifeSong.You can search all of Kyle's posts.Go to member's.Then "search members".Then you can read all his posts in chronological order.Look up "oceanexploration".If someone can reference the dates faster.Thank You!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 11:04:01 PM
Lifesong....The new address that You found for Eagle Syndications goes to none other than.....

.  MCNAUGHT, JUDITH   4387 Cedar Bluff Ln , FRISCO, TX 75034

 ::MonkeyWink::
   


Thanks, Hotping!

You're Welcome!

Here is some more info I found on Judith McNaught...notice McNaught Publications and the mention of other company names

MCNAUGHT, JUDITH M (Age 64)

Associated names:

 MC,  JUDY
 MCNAUGHT, MARY JUDITH
6500 Old Gate Rd , PLANO, TX 75024
2210 Twin Oaks Blvd  #D, KEMAH, TX 77565
2430 Victory Park Ln , DALLAS, TX 75219
2210 Twin Oaks Blvd , LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
409 Fieldcreek Dr , FRIENDSWOOD, TX 77546
2525 S Shr , KEMAH, TX 77565
2525 Shore Blvd , KEMAH, TX 77565
5327 Plano Pkwy , PLANO, TX 75093
5237 Plano Pkwy , PLANO, TX 75093
15534 Zabolio St  #G153, WEBSTER, TX 77598
409 Westfield Ln , FRIENDSWOOD, TX 77546
DOB   05/10/1944
(281) 334-5203
(972) 334-5203
(281) 334-5222

 Possible Relatives:

MCNAUGHT, MARY
MCNAUGHT, JOHN M
MCNAUGHT, CLAYTON M (Age 39)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

SMITH, ALBERTA M
HELM, INTERESTS
HOECHST, C
HOECHST, CELANESE CORPORATION
SMITH, DONALD R (Age 98)
2.  MC NAUGHT, JUDITH 

Associated names:

 MC, JUDITH 
 MCNAUGHT, JUDITH   
2525 Shore Blvd  #201, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
    (281) 334-5222
(281) 334-5222     
3.  MCNAUGHT, JUDITH   34768 PO Box, HOUSTON, TX 77234         

4.  MCNAUGHT, JUDITH   4387 Cedar Bluff Ln , FRISCO, TX 75034     (214) 872-2846     

5.  MCNAUGHT, JUDITH 

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 MCNAUGHT SYNDICATION, INC  2514 Highway 35, ALVIN, TX 77512   




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 27, 2009, 11:04:53 PM
Although they DID ask for "donations" in March -- it was pretty half-assed. Do you think they felt little pangs of guilt or what they may have gotten was so trivial, they just blew it off??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 27, 2009, 11:06:50 PM
Lifesong....The new address that You found for Eagle Syndications goes to none other than.....

.  MCNAUGHT, JUDITH   4387 Cedar Bluff Ln , FRISCO, TX 75034

 ::MonkeyWink::
   

Type of Work:    Text
Registration Number / Date:    TX0006337005 / 2006-04-07
Title:    Every breath you take : a novel / Judith McNaught.
Edition:    1st ed.
Imprint:    New York : Ballantine Books, c2005.
Description:    334 p.
Copyright Claimant:    Eagle Syndication, Inc.
Date of Creation:    2004
Date of Publication:    2005-12-27
   
Names:    McNaught, Judith
   Eagle Syndication, Inc.

Type of Work:    Text
Registration Number / Date:    TX0004169678 / 1995-11-21
Title:    Miracles / Judith McNaught.
Appears in:    A holiday of love, p. 93-166
Copyright Claimant:    Eagle Syndication, Inc.
Date of Creation:    1994
Date of Publication:    1994-10-27
   
Other Title:    A holiday of love
Names:    McNaught, Judith
   Eagle Syndication, Inc.


Type of Work:    Text
Registration Number / Date:    TX0002806217 / 1990-04-19
Title:    Almost heaven / Judith McNaught.
Description:    1 v.
Copyright Claimant:    Eagle Syndication, Inc.
Date of Creation:    1989
Date of Publication:    1990-04-12
Authorship on Application:    Eagle Syndication, Inc., employer for hire.
   
Names:    McNaught, Judith
   Eagle Syndication, Inc.






I think she probably pays to publish her own work, because she cannot get a publisher otherwise.
I know a woman who does that just so that she can say she is 'published'.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 27, 2009, 11:07:02 PM
Lifesong....The new address that You found for Eagle Syndications goes to none other than.....

.  MCNAUGHT, JUDITH   4387 Cedar Bluff Ln , FRISCO, TX 75034

 ::MonkeyWink::
   


Thanks, Hotping!

You're Welcome!

Here is some more info I found on Judith McNaught...notice McNaught Publications and the mention of other company names

MCNAUGHT, JUDITH M (Age 64)

Associated names:

 MC,  JUDY
 MCNAUGHT, MARY JUDITH
6500 Old Gate Rd , PLANO, TX 75024
2210 Twin Oaks Blvd  #D, KEMAH, TX 77565
2430 Victory Park Ln , DALLAS, TX 75219
2210 Twin Oaks Blvd , LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
409 Fieldcreek Dr , FRIENDSWOOD, TX 77546
2525 S Shr , KEMAH, TX 77565
2525 Shore Blvd , KEMAH, TX 77565
5327 Plano Pkwy , PLANO, TX 75093
5237 Plano Pkwy , PLANO, TX 75093
15534 Zabolio St  #G153, WEBSTER, TX 77598
409 Westfield Ln , FRIENDSWOOD, TX 77546
DOB   05/10/1944
(281) 334-5203
(972) 334-5203
(281) 334-5222

 Possible Relatives:

MCNAUGHT, MARY
MCNAUGHT, JOHN M
MCNAUGHT, CLAYTON M (Age 39)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

SMITH, ALBERTA M
HELM, INTERESTS
HOECHST, C
HOECHST, CELANESE CORPORATION
SMITH, DONALD R (Age 98)
2.  MC NAUGHT, JUDITH 

Associated names:

 MC, JUDITH 
 MCNAUGHT, JUDITH   
2525 Shore Blvd  #201, LEAGUE CITY, TX 77573
    (281) 334-5222
(281) 334-5222     
3.  MCNAUGHT, JUDITH   34768 PO Box, HOUSTON, TX 77234         

4.  MCNAUGHT, JUDITH   4387 Cedar Bluff Ln , FRISCO, TX 75034     (214) 872-2846     

5.  MCNAUGHT, JUDITH 

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 MCNAUGHT SYNDICATION, INC  2514 Highway 35, ALVIN, TX 77512   



Correction McNaught Publications should have been McNaught Syndication Inc


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 11:08:48 PM

LifeSong.You can search all of Kyle's posts.Go to member's.Then "search members".Then you can read all his posts in chronological order.Look up "oceanexploration".If someone can reference the dates faster.Thank You!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Believe me, KTF, I'm well familiar with it!  I'm pretty sure these weren't SM posts but were brought to us from the Freebirds - and they were made after the fact of the timeline - so I have to put them in when the things were happening...if that makes sense...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 11:13:24 PM

LifeSong.You can search all of Kyle's posts.Go to member's.Then "search members".Then you can read all his posts in chronological order.Look up "oceanexploration".If someone can reference the dates faster.Thank You!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Believe me, KTF, I'm well familiar with it!  I'm pretty sure these weren't SM posts but were brought to us from the Freebirds - and they were made after the fact of the timeline - so I have to put them in when the things were happening...if that makes sense...

Well.Hopefully Kermit,Jen,and or wingnut can help clear that up.Each piece you put to the puzzle in the timeline is fascinating to say the least! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 11:21:22 PM

Quote

(IS THIS LEGAL - DUMP SHARES AND MAKE MILLIONS, SWITCH ASSETS AND BE ON THE BOARD OF THE COMPANY THAT YOU'RE SWITCHING ASSETS TOO?)

ASSET PURCHASE AGREEMENT
DATED AS OF APRIL 3, 2008
BY AND BETWEEN
SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL, INC.
AND
LEGACY OFFSHORE, L.L.C.
http://sec.edgar-online.com/superior-offshore-international-inc/8-k-current-report-filing/2008/04/15/Section8.aspx

http://apps.shareholder.com/sec/viewerContent.aspx?companyid=DEEP&docid=5863994

UNITED STATES
SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C. 20549
FORM 8-K
CURRENT REPORT
Pursuant to Section 13 or 15(d) of
the Securities Exchange Act of 1934
Date of Report (Date of earliest event reported): April 4, 2008
SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL, INC.



Item 8.01     Other Events. 

     On April 4, 2008, the Company consummated the sale of the Gulf Diver V , a four-point vessel, and selected diving equipment on board such vessel to Legacy Offshore, L.L.C. for $4,000,000. Under the purchase agreement relating to the sale of the vessel, the Company has the option to repurchase the vessel and equipment from Legacy Offshore for $4,000,000 on October 1, 2008. As previously disclosed, the Company expects to recognize an impairment of up to $2,000,000 in connection with the sale of the vessel. Legacy Offshore provided the Company a deposit of $1,800,000 on March 28, 2008, that was used by the Company to make a scheduled payment under the charter agreement for the Gulmar Condor , a dynamically positioned vessel. The Company did not otherwise have the funds to make the charter payment and believes that the charter would have been terminated by the vessel owner had the payment not been made on such date. Louis E. Schaefer, Jr., the Chairman of the Board of the Company until November 14, 2007 and a current stockholder of the Company, is a member of Legacy Offshore.  

Looks like he disclosed it...maybe it's legal then?   ::MonkeyConfused::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 11:26:27 PM

Quote

(IS THIS LEGAL - DUMP SHARES AND MAKE MILLIONS, SWITCH ASSETS AND BE ON THE BOARD OF THE COMPANY THAT YOU'RE SWITCHING ASSETS TOO?)

ASSET PURCHASE AGREEMENT
DATED AS OF APRIL 3, 2008
BY AND BETWEEN
SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL, INC.
AND
LEGACY OFFSHORE, L.L.C.
http://sec.edgar-online.com/superior-offshore-international-inc/8-k-current-report-filing/2008/04/15/Section8.aspx

http://apps.shareholder.com/sec/viewerContent.aspx?companyid=DEEP&docid=5863994

UNITED STATES
SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C. 20549
FORM 8-K
CURRENT REPORT
Pursuant to Section 13 or 15(d) of
the Securities Exchange Act of 1934
Date of Report (Date of earliest event reported): April 4, 2008
SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL, INC.



Item 8.01     Other Events. 

     On April 4, 2008, the Company consummated the sale of the Gulf Diver V , a four-point vessel, and selected diving equipment on board such vessel to Legacy Offshore, L.L.C. for $4,000,000. Under the purchase agreement relating to the sale of the vessel, the Company has the option to repurchase the vessel and equipment from Legacy Offshore for $4,000,000 on October 1, 2008. As previously disclosed, the Company expects to recognize an impairment of up to $2,000,000 in connection with the sale of the vessel. Legacy Offshore provided the Company a deposit of $1,800,000 on March 28, 2008, that was used by the Company to make a scheduled payment under the charter agreement for the Gulmar Condor , a dynamically positioned vessel. The Company did not otherwise have the funds to make the charter payment and believes that the charter would have been terminated by the vessel owner had the payment not been made on such date. Louis E. Schaefer, Jr., the Chairman of the Board of the Company until November 14, 2007 and a current stockholder of the Company, is a member of Legacy Offshore.  

Looks like he disclosed it...maybe it's legal then?   ::MonkeyConfused::



Only in America.If it's legal to do what he did?Sell off stocks for hundreds of millions,all the while switching the assets over to another company that he owns,then leaving the stockholders broke.WOW.Look at Madoff and Stanford.How the heck are they not in jail right now?Really.Where does 50 billion dollars disappear to with the SEC watching?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 11:30:30 PM
KTF - I didn't mean the part about screwing over his stockholders - just the part about starting a new company and selling the assets of the tanking one to the new one.



Edit to fix typo.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 11:31:42 PM

KTF - I didn't mean the part about screwing over his stockholders - just the part about starting a new company and selling the assets of the tanking one to the new one.


Edit to add the 'n'.

Fixed prev. post.  Muffy


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 27, 2009, 11:35:21 PM

KTF - I didn't mean the part about screwing over his stockholders - just the part about starting a new company and selling the assets of the taking one to the new one.


It all depends if the company was in bankruptcy court when this was taking place.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 11:35:42 PM

KTF - I didn't mean the part about screwing over his stockholders - just the part about starting a new company and selling the assets of the taking one to the new one.



I know LifeSong!I understand what your saying.A court of law will have to figure it out.If i was a juror and saw that he was selling off stocks,shuffling the only things that were assets to Superior to Legacy.Schaefer would be GUILTY in my mind.What that means in terms of a judgement against the defendants remains to be seen.I PRAY that the plaintiffs don't settle for anyhting less the everything Schaefer has,as well as PRISON TIME!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 11:48:27 PM
                       


                             JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 11:53:04 PM

KTF - I didn't mean the part about screwing over his stockholders - just the part about starting a new company and selling the assets of the taking one to the new one.


It all depends if the company was in bankruptcy court when this was taking place.

They filed for bankruptcy approx. 3 weeks later.  What does that mean Wreck?  I truly have no idea and was shocked to see it there!




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 27, 2009, 11:53:23 PM
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 27, 2009, 11:55:26 PM

KTF - I didn't mean the part about screwing over his stockholders - just the part about starting a new company and selling the assets of the tanking one to the new one.

Edit to fix typo



I know LifeSong!I understand what your saying.A court of law will have to figure it out.If i was a juror and saw that he was selling off stocks,shuffling the only things that were assets to Superior to Legacy.Schaefer would be GUILTY in my mind.What that means in terms of a judgement against the defendants remains to be seen.I PRAY that the plaintiffs don't settle for anyhting less the everything Schaefer has,as well as PRISON TIME!

Me too, KTF.

I still can't believe these greedy bastards are the ones we believed in to bring our girl home!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 27, 2009, 11:59:23 PM

KTF - I didn't mean the part about screwing over his stockholders - just the part about starting a new company and selling the assets of the tanking one to the new one.

Edit to fix typo

It all depends if the company was in bankruptcy court when this was taking place.

They filed for bankruptcy approx. 3 weeks later.  What does that mean Wreck?  I truly have no idea and was shocked to see it there!



If they filed for banruptcy just 3 weeks after this action -- it would certainly raise eyebrows with both the SEC and the bankruptcy court itself!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 12:01:24 AM

KTF - I didn't mean the part about screwing over his stockholders - just the part about starting a new company and selling the assets of the tanking one to the new one.

Edit to fix typo



I know LifeSong!I understand what your saying.A court of law will have to figure it out.If i was a juror and saw that he was selling off stocks,shuffling the only things that were assets to Superior to Legacy.Schaefer would be GUILTY in my mind.What that means in terms of a judgement against the defendants remains to be seen.I PRAY that the plaintiffs don't settle for anyhting less the everything Schaefer has,as well as PRISON TIME!

Me too, KTF.

I still can't believe these greedy bastards are the ones we believed in to bring our girl home!



They all Knew what the hell was going on!Period...Selling are your stocks for 100's of millions of dollars,selling The only assets of Superior to Legacy which you own,then Superior files for bankruptcy 3 weeks later...All this after these COWBOYS STOLE THE LOOT..Think they understand that! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 28, 2009, 12:03:32 AM
It still begs the question -- why the hell would you donate your whole company's resources to a "philanthropic" endeavor when you are pondering bankruptcy and you have a fiduciary obligation to the other stockholders????????????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 12:05:21 AM


They all Knew what the hell was going on!Period...Selling are your stocks for 100's of millions of dollars,selling The only assets of Superior to Legacy which you own,then Superior files for bankruptcy 3 weeks later...All this after these COWBOYS STOLE THE LOOT..Think they understand that! ::MonkeyCool::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think CAPS does!

 ::MonkeyEek::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 28, 2009, 12:28:59 AM
I can't see any way that these business dealings, particularly the Class Action Lawsuit by the angry stockholders, can be taken as any kind of stellar performance on the part of the parties involved.

It just can't.  And I do wonder if Natalee's family realizes all of this.  Surely if they do, there is no future search.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 12:42:17 AM
It still begs the question -- why the hell would you donate your whole company's resources to a "philanthropic" endeavor when you are pondering bankruptcy and you have a fiduciary obligation to the other stockholders????????????

Which one of Schaefer's company's was cutting the checks for the philanthropic search??Was this another way to pilfer the rest of Superior's liquid cashflow??Pay yourself,as well as set up an offshore account for the impending stock sales.God would i love to have access to this money-trail!My Hinky-Meter is blowing up.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 01:03:42 AM
It still begs the question -- why the hell would you donate your whole company's resources to a "philanthropic" endeavor when you are pondering bankruptcy and you have a fiduciary obligation to the other stockholders????????????

Which one of Schaefer's company's was cutting the checks for the philanthropic search??Was this another way to pilfer the rest of Superior's liquid cashflow??Pay yourself,as well as set up an offshore account for the impending stock sales.God would i love to have access to this money-trail!My Hinky-Meter is blowing up.... ::MonkeyCool::

Whatta ya think Schaefer cooked the books and  and paid himself a pretty penny from this voyage??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 01:06:52 AM
It still begs the question -- why the hell would you donate your whole company's resources to a "philanthropic" endeavor when you are pondering bankruptcy and you have a fiduciary obligation to the other stockholders????????????

Which one of Schaefer's company's was cutting the checks for the philanthropic search??Was this another way to pilfer the rest of Superior's liquid cashflow??Pay yourself,as well as set up an offshore account for the impending stock sales.God would i love to have access to this money-trail!My Hinky-Meter is blowing up.... ::MonkeyCool::

Whatta ya think Schaefer cooked the books and paid himself a pretty penny from this voyage??

I agree KTF. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 01:10:53 AM

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:YzXYM0VYK8cJ:securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/2008721_r01c_08-00687.pdf+Legacy+offshore+R+joshua+koch&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

The Consolidated Class Action Lawsuit
Bottom of page 6 - top of page 7

"During the Class Period, Defendant Mermis liquidated over $980,000 in Superior Offshore stock, Defendant Koch liquidated over $2.9 million, Defendant Burks liquidated over $550,000, and Defendant Schaefer profited over $45 million from his sales of Company shares during the Class Period."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 01:15:42 AM

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:YzXYM0VYK8cJ:securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/2008721_r01c_08-00687.pdf+Legacy+offshore+R+joshua+koch&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

The Consolidated Class Action Lawsuit
Bottom of page 6 - top of page 7

"During the Class Period, Defendant Mermis liquidated over $980,000 in Superior Offshore stock, Defendant Koch liquidated over $2.9 million, Defendant Burks liquidated over $550,000, and Defendant Schaefer profited over $45 million from his sales of Company shares during the Class Period."

On a serious note LifeSong.Wouldn't it be interesting to see which company was cutting what checks?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 01:18:16 AM
It still begs the question -- why the hell would you donate your whole company's resources to a "philanthropic" endeavor when you are pondering bankruptcy and you have a fiduciary obligation to the other stockholders????????????

Which one of Schaefer's company's was cutting the checks for the philanthropic search??Was this another way to pilfer the rest of Superior's liquid cashflow??Pay yourself,as well as set up an offshore account for the impending stock sales.God would i love to have access to this money-trail!My Hinky-Meter is blowing up.... ::MonkeyCool::

Whatta ya think Schaefer cooked the books and paid himself a pretty penny from this voyage??

I agree KTF. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::
 ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::

 ::cartwheel::   ::cartwheel::   ::cartwheel::   ::cartwheel::   ::cartwheel::   ::cartwheel::

Justice for Natalee!!  We Will Never Go Away!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 01:20:30 AM
Defendants had engaged in a number oftransactions with related parties and conflicts of interest that were not properly disclosed, including payments to defendant Schaefer's two sons despite the fact that former employees stated neither son did any meaningful work for the Company; payments of Schaefer family expenses out of Company coffers, and defendant Mermis'directing of work to competitors with whom he would eventually secure future employment instead of obtaining the work for Superior Offshore.(g) The Company also lacked the financial ability to support the improvement upon and refurbishment of the Superior Endeavor or the commission ofthe Superior Achiever -- two ships necessary to facilitate the Company's international and deepsea transition. Indeed, Superior4
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http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:YzXYM0VYK8cJ:securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/2008721_r01c_08-00687.pdf+Legacy+offshore+R+joshua+koch&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 01:22:55 AM

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:YzXYM0VYK8cJ:securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/2008721_r01c_08-00687.pdf+Legacy+offshore+R+joshua+koch&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

The Consolidated Class Action Lawsuit
Bottom of page 6 - top of page 7

"During the Class Period, Defendant Mermis liquidated over $980,000 in Superior Offshore stock, Defendant Koch liquidated over $2.9 million, Defendant Burks liquidated over $550,000, and Defendant Schaefer profited over $45 million from his sales of Company shares during the Class Period."

On a serious note LifeSong.Wouldn't it be interesting to see which company was cutting what checks?

Yes it would, ktf.  I kind of think it was UE because that's the one that's mentioned in the PR for the search - Superior is mentioned with Schaefer, but only until the end of 2007 I think - haven't got that all nailed down yet.  Technically, they should have been paid by either Schaefer personally or his foundation I would think, but I don't know how it works legally.

If it was UE - then I really, really want to know if that company was created before or after Schaefer called Dave Holloway.  It was registered on 5/16 and in July Tim Miller said that Schaefer had called Dave 2 months earlier - that's May.  WTH?!!!!  Right?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 01:25:58 AM
Defendants had engaged in a number oftransactions with related parties and conflicts of interest that were not properly disclosed, including payments to defendant Schaefer's two sons despite the fact that former employees stated neither son did any meaningful work for the Company; payments of Schaefer family expenses out of Company coffers, and defendant Mermis'directing of work to competitors with whom he would eventually secure future employment instead of obtaining the work for Superior Offshore.(g) The Company also lacked the financial ability to support the improvement upon and refurbishment of the Superior Endeavor or the commission ofthe Superior Achiever -- two ships necessary to facilitate the Company's international and deepsea transition. Indeed, Superior4
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http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:YzXYM0VYK8cJ:securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/2008721_r01c_08-00687.pdf+Legacy+offshore+R+joshua+koch&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

Didn't Mermis land at Legacy Offshore?  So he was directing contracts away from Superior (the shareholders) and to Louis' new start-up? 

Bad, bad, very bad.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 01:29:55 AM
Defendants had engaged in a number oftransactions with related parties and conflicts of interest that were not properly disclosed, including payments to defendant Schaefer's two sons despite the fact that former employees stated neither son did any meaningful work for the Company; payments of Schaefer family expenses out of Company coffers, and defendant Mermis'directing of work to competitors with whom he would eventually secure future employment instead of obtaining the work for Superior Offshore.(g) The Company also lacked the financial ability to support the improvement upon and refurbishment of the Superior Endeavor or the commission ofthe Superior Achiever -- two ships necessary to facilitate the Company's international and deepsea transition. Indeed, Superior4
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http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:YzXYM0VYK8cJ:securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/2008721_r01c_08-00687.pdf+Legacy+offshore+R+joshua+koch&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

Didn't Mermis land at Legacy Offshore?  So he was directing contracts away from Superior (the shareholders) and to Louis' new start-up? 

Bad, bad, very bad.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



The only two that i've been aware of that are at Legacy is on the website.Jerry lowrimore and Charles zamora!I've been looking and haven't found anything yet.It has to be somewhere.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 01:31:35 AM
Let's give a shout out to Tamikosmom.Enjoying The Emerald City and The Lion king....

Hope ya had a great time Janet.Did ya throw a fish at the market??


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 28, 2009, 01:35:24 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53278.php

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/27-aruba-voor2.gif)

Aruba
Fishermen Fishermen's Huts concerned
27 Feb, 2009, 14:52 (GMT -04:00)
 
The beach at the Fishermen's Huts will the advent of the new Ritz Carlton hotel will be much busier.

ORANGE CITY - With the construction of the Ritz Carlton hotel at the Fishermen's Huts finally seems to go by, there are again heated discussions arise. For example, for example, fishermen in the Huts are concerned about their berths. "Where should we build our boats," asks a fisherman wondered.

The fishing piers in Hadicurari may be used for traditional fishing boats. Now most still in the Fishermen's Huts, but the question is whether this will still remain possible as the new hotel once state. The use of the jetties of Hadicurari will be in consultation with the fishing center provides an alternative for fishermen, says Byron Boekhoudt. Besides fishing also wind and kite surfers protest heard. They are afraid that the new high-rise makes for changes in direction and strength of the wind. This would also have consequences for the popular Hi-Winds windsurfing event.

Supporters of the five find that tourism level is increased, that the employment benefits and that the Aruba extra income. Opponents believe that a new attack consults on nature, infrastructure and again large numbers of foreign workers should be handled.

The required labor, according to the government, in its first Aruban. If there is not enough Aruban workers, there is the possibility, as with the RIU hotel, foreign staff.

Milton Ponson, chairman of the environmental movement Rainbow Warriors, since last week calls for a boycott of the Marriott hotel chain, parent company of Ritz Carlton, with the exception of the Renaissance hotel. Ponson is concerned that the construction of the hotel complex irreparable damage to nature will occur. The hotel does know "damage and nuisance to nature and environment to a minimum limit.

Environmental organizations including StimAruba and Tortugaruba protest has been against the construction of the new hotel. They are afraid of animals, which are still in Aruba, by the construction and the increase in activities around the hotel, the island will disappear. In particular, the artificial light that is inseparable from hotels is harmful to sea turtles. For example, the turtle-Cawama very slightly shy. The least little 'danger' schuifelt the turtle back into the sea. The animal will be a number of attempts car, because she would like her eggs lost, but if they ever again be disturbed, and she leaves her eggs somewhere in seas.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 01:38:09 AM

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:YzXYM0VYK8cJ:securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/2008721_r01c_08-00687.pdf+Legacy+offshore+R+joshua+koch&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

The Consolidated Class Action Lawsuit
Bottom of page 6 - top of page 7

"During the Class Period, Defendant Mermis liquidated over $980,000 in Superior Offshore stock, Defendant Koch liquidated over $2.9 million, Defendant Burks liquidated over $550,000, and Defendant Schaefer profited over $45 million from his sales of Company shares during the Class Period."

Not for nothing, but $45 million minus $3.5m for the house in July minus, let's be generous, $2m for the search...still leaves $39.5 million.  Where's the money, Louis?

Where's the money, Louis?  How much did you pay Tim "LightTanks" Trahan for his performance on Dateline?  How much did you get for the ROV Videos you HID from the family?[/size]



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 01:41:38 AM
Let's give a shout out to Tamikosmom.Enjoying The Emerald City and The Lion king....

Hope ya had a great time Janet.Did ya throw a fish at the market??


 ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::


 ::MonkeyDance::       ::MonkeyDance::       ::MonkeyDance::       ::MonkeyDance::      ::MonkeyDance::


We Miss You, Janet!!



 ::cartwheel::    ::cartwheel::    ::cartwheel::    ::cartwheel::    ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on February 28, 2009, 01:53:59 AM
I'm signing off...
Good night SM..and God Bless you for all you do.
billb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 01:56:17 AM

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:YzXYM0VYK8cJ:securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/2008721_r01c_08-00687.pdf+Legacy+offshore+R+joshua+koch&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

The Consolidated Class Action Lawsuit
Bottom of page 6 - top of page 7

"During the Class Period, Defendant Mermis liquidated over $980,000 in Superior Offshore stock, Defendant Koch liquidated over $2.9 million, Defendant Burks liquidated over $550,000, and Defendant Schaefer profited over $45 million from his sales of Company shares during the Class Period."

Not for nothing, but $45 million minus $3.5m for the house in July minus, let's be generous, $2m for the search...still leaves $39.5 million.  Where's the money, Louis?

Where's the money, Louis?  How much did you pay Tim "LightTanks" Trahan for his performance on Dateline?  How much did you get for the ROV Videos you HID from the family?[/size]



I think 45 million is the low figure..Regardless. alot of money..Where is it??inquiring minds want to know.Maybe one day i'll delve into a converstaion with my financial guy on some hypothesis on the most effective way's way to funnel money offshore with the least amount of a trail.There has to be one............ ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 01:56:31 AM


Welcome all Monkeys, to ...


Today's Random Blast from the Past:


Quote
In the interview room was also present the lawyer of the suspect, named mr. O.R.G. Faarup.


HUH ??????

who is this jackass ?


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=943.msg125745#msg125745


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 01:57:47 AM
I'm signing off...
Good night SM..and God Bless you for all you do.
billb

Think you can go to bed without a stack!How dare you make me stack all by myself.Paybacks are a bi..You know BillB..

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 01:58:22 AM
I'm signing off...
Good night SM..and God Bless you for all you do.
billb


Good Night billb!  God Bless YOU!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 02:04:53 AM
Defendant Louis E. Schaefer ("Schaefer") was Chairman of the Board ofDirectors of Superior Offshore at the time ofthe IPO. Defendant Schaefer prepared and signed thematerially untrue and misleading Registration Statement. Also in connection with this IPO,defendant Schaefer sold over 1.5 million shares of Company shares that he owned or controlled torealize gross proceeds of $22.5 million from the IPO. Defendant Schaefer also sold an additional3.025 million shares he owned and/or controlled - reaping more than $45 million in profits fromstock sales during the Class Period. Defendant Schaefer resigned on November 14, 2007, on thesame day that Superior Offshore revealed it was operating below recently revised forecasts, and thatits core business was failing. At the time ofthe IPO, Schaefer's family and businesses run by familymembers were supported by Company money - including salaries to his sons who had "no realroles" with the Company; benefits to one of Schaefer's son's companies - Greenhead Rentals; andmortgage and support payments to Schaefer's ex-wife.(b)Defendant James J. Mermis ("Mermis") was President, Chief ExecutiveOfficer and a member ofthe Board ofDirectors of Superior Offshore at the time ofthe IPO and had8
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So what are we at 67.5 million dollars LifeSong??Where's all the Money Louis E Schaefer Jr????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 02:09:53 AM
Defendant Louis E. Schaefer ("Schaefer") was Chairman of the Board ofDirectors of Superior Offshore at the time ofthe IPO. Defendant Schaefer prepared and signed thematerially untrue and misleading Registration Statement. Also in connection with this IPO,defendant Schaefer sold over 1.5 million shares of Company shares that he owned or controlled torealize gross proceeds of $22.5 million from the IPO. Defendant Schaefer also sold an additional3.025 million shares he owned and/or controlled - reaping more than $45 million in profits fromstock sales during the Class Period. Defendant Schaefer resigned on November 14, 2007, on thesame day that Superior Offshore revealed it was operating below recently revised forecasts, and thatits core business was failing. At the time ofthe IPO, Schaefer's family and businesses run by familymembers were supported by Company money - including salaries to his sons who had "no realroles" with the Company; benefits to one of Schaefer's son's companies - Greenhead Rentals; andmortgage and support payments to Schaefer's ex-wife.(b)Defendant James J. Mermis ("Mermis") was President, Chief ExecutiveOfficer and a member ofthe Board ofDirectors of Superior Offshore at the time ofthe IPO and had8
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So what are we at 67.5 million dollars LifeSong??Where's all the Money Louis E Schaefer Jr????


Evidently 67.5 million dollars was NOT enough for the kind, philanthropic man.  He had to sell the rights to the ROV Video he HID from the family!

Really, Louis?  Really?

Hey Kyle, you know what?  If you were lying about that too...you oughta know by now we're going to find out.

Tell the truth, Kyle.  Tell the truth.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 02:11:18 AM
Regarding transactions with related parties, among other things, the Company'sRegistration Statement reported "annual salaries of $120,000 and $48,000" to Schaefer's two sons;arrangements with future-COO Patrice Chemin's contracting company to charter ships; and rentalpayments to property owned by Schaefer, including "two of the properties that we use in ourbusiness... a new lease agreement with a company that Mr. Schaefer owns in respect ofour propertyin Houston, Texas... [and] two additional lease agreements with a company that Mr. Schaefer owns inrespect of our property in Belle Chasse, Louisiana


How much money did he STEAL from the company????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 02:12:34 AM
I'm signing off...
Good night SM..and God Bless you for all you do.
billb

Think you can go to bed without a stack!How dare you make me stack all by myself.Paybacks are a bi..You know BillB..

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

Go back to bed Billb.... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 02:15:45 AM
Regarding transactions with related parties, among other things, the Company'sRegistration Statement reported "annual salaries of $120,000 and $48,000" to Schaefer's two sons;arrangements with future-COO Patrice Chemin's contracting company to charter ships; and rentalpayments to property owned by Schaefer, including "two of the properties that we use in ourbusiness... a new lease agreement with a company that Mr. Schaefer owns in respect ofour propertyin Houston, Texas... [and] two additional lease agreements with a company that Mr. Schaefer owns inrespect of our property in Belle Chasse, Louisiana


How much money did he STEAL from the company????


Wow!  Talk about playing favorites...
How'd you like to be the son that only got $48k?   

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I bet he was pissed when he read the lawsuit and found out how much his brother had been  getting!





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 02:17:35 AM
Regarding transactions with related parties, among other things, the Company'sRegistration Statement reported "annual salaries of $120,000 and $48,000" to Schaefer's two sons;arrangements with future-COO Patrice Chemin's contracting company to charter ships; and rentalpayments to property owned by Schaefer, including "two of the properties that we use in ourbusiness... a new lease agreement with a company that Mr. Schaefer owns in respect ofour propertyin Houston, Texas... [and] two additional lease agreements with a company that Mr. Schaefer owns inrespect of our property in Belle Chasse, Louisiana


How much money did he STEAL from the company????


Wow!  Talk about playing favorites...
How'd you like to be the son that only got $48k?   

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I bet he was pissed when he read the lawsuit and found out how much his brother had been  getting!





Now that's funny! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 02:18:07 AM
APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million
http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/



What was the date that Louis is involved with Legacy?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 02:18:30 AM
I'm signing off...
Good night SM..and God Bless you for all you do.
billb

Think you can go to bed without a stack!How dare you make me stack all by myself.Paybacks are a bi..You know BillB..

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

Go back to bed Billb.... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

He must be typing a post with that one finger....

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 02:20:03 AM
I'm signing off...
Good night SM..and God Bless you for all you do.
billb

Think you can go to bed without a stack!How dare you make me stack all by myself.Paybacks are a bi..You know BillB..

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

Go back to bed Billb.... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

He must be typing a post with that one finger....

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Bill likes to say that he uses to pick his nose but really he's tickling his brain.That's all you need to know to understand Bill.Really.No bullsh..tin ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 02:20:59 AM
APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million
http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/



What was the date that Louis is involved with Legacy?

11/20/2007 - NEW
Louis Schaefer and Charles Zamora register Legacy Offshore, LLC; a Louisiana Limited Liability Company (http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin?rqstyp=crpdtlC&rqsdta=36593498K)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 02:21:54 AM
APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million
http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/



What was the date that Louis is involved with Legacy?

Kermit.. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::.But Kermit.They had NO MONEY TO FINISH THE SEARCH.....NOW THAT'S FUNNY.....152 MILLION F'ING CLAMS.WHAT'S THAT IN FLORINS????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 02:23:50 AM
APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million
http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/



What was the date that Louis is involved with Legacy?

Kermit.. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::.But Kermit.They had NO MONEY TO FINISH THE SEARCH.....NOW THAT'S FUNNY.....152 MILLION F'ING CLAMS.WHAT'S THAT IN FLORINS????

Those florins be owing to not enough.  Come across.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 02:23:56 AM
APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million
http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/



What was the date that Louis is involved with Legacy?

11/20/2007 - NEW
Louis Schaefer and Charles Zamora register Legacy Offshore, LLC; a Louisiana Limited Liability Company (http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin?rqstyp=crpdtlC&rqsdta=36593498K)


Tell me this is not more orchestrated then a symphony?????Schaefer is the Conducter..... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 02:27:29 AM
APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million
http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/



What was the date that Louis is involved with Legacy?

Kermit.. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::.But Kermit.They had NO MONEY TO FINISH THE SEARCH.....NOW THAT'S FUNNY.....152 MILLION F'ING CLAMS.WHAT'S THAT IN FLORINS????

Look at the date of this:

(http://content.nasdaq.com/reference/200707/mc_070507i.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 02:27:51 AM
APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million
http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/



What was the date that Louis is involved with Legacy?

Kermit.. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::.But Kermit.They had NO MONEY TO FINISH THE SEARCH.....NOW THAT'S FUNNY.....152 MILLION F'ING CLAMS.WHAT'S THAT IN FLORINS????

Those florins be owing to not enough.  Come across.


Really though!Schaeffer could have a MANSION in Aruba,as well as a new moor at the new terminal being built with his name on it???Do his charters in Aruba from time to time to follow up with his buddies on how the port's coming,and or the oil explorations...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 02:29:21 AM
APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million
http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/



What was the date that Louis is involved with Legacy?

Kermit.. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::.But Kermit.They had NO MONEY TO FINISH THE SEARCH.....NOW THAT'S FUNNY.....152 MILLION F'ING CLAMS.WHAT'S THAT IN FLORINS????

Look at the date of this:

(http://content.nasdaq.com/reference/200707/mc_070507i.jpg)


I would like to see the date if it would come up! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 02:29:37 AM
APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million
http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/



What was the date that Louis is involved with Legacy?

11/20/2007 - NEW
Louis Schaefer and Charles Zamora register Legacy Offshore, LLC; a Louisiana Limited Liability Company (http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin?rqstyp=crpdtlC&rqsdta=36593498K)


Okay so April 2007 he is selling shares of stock

July 2007 he is at the stock exchange whooping it up

By November 2007 he's set up Legacy Offshore and sells off his stock in Superior Offshore


Man, this stinks.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 02:30:06 AM
APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million
http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/



What was the date that Louis is involved with Legacy?

Sneak Peek

11/20/2007 - NEW
Louis Schaefer and Charles Zamora register Legacy Offshore, LLC; a Louisiana Limited Liability Company (http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin?rqstyp=crpdtlC&rqsdta=36593498K)


10/23/2007
Superior Offshore International, Inc. (Nasdaq:DEEP) today announced it has signed a definitive agreement to acquire Ocean Flow International, LLC (http://www.globenewswire.com/newsroom/news.html?d=129346), a privately held deepwater subsea project engineering and offshore project management services firm based in Houston. The acquisition would be a stock-for-stock transaction valued at approximately $15 million. The closing, which is subject to customary conditions including obtaining certain consents, is expected in the fourth quarter of 2007

11/2007
Superior Offshore South Africa has purchased (http://www.subtech.co.za/content/view/60/17/) a Modular Jack-Up Barge which is expected to significantly enhance the company’s capacity in terms of inshore civil marine operations.

11/14/2007 - – LINK CORRECTED
Superior Offshore shares decline again after defendants belatedly revealed  (http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/) that the Company was operating even below its recently revised forecasts, and that its core business was operating even worse than previously disclosed.

11/14/2007 - NEW
Louis Schaefer retires and resigns (http://houston.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2007/11/12/daily38.html?jst=s_cn_hl) his position as Chairman of the Board of Superior Offshore International.

11/15/2007 - NEW
The Houston Business Journal reports (http://houston.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2007/11/12/daily38.html?jst=s_cn_hl):  Superior Offshore International Inc. has appointed James Persky as board chairman.   Persky replaces Louis Schaefer Jr., founder of the Houston subsea construction and commercial diving service provider, who retired and resigned from the board on Nov. 14.  Persky has been a director of Superior Offshore (NASDAQ: DEEP) since April.

11/20/2007 - NEW
Louis Schaefer and Charles Zamora register Legacy Offshore, LLC (http://www.legacyoffshore.com); a Louisiana Limited Liability Company (http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin?rqstyp=crpdtlC&rqsdta=36593498K)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 02:31:50 AM
APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million
http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/



What was the date that Louis is involved with Legacy?

Kermit.. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::.But Kermit.They had NO MONEY TO FINISH THE SEARCH.....NOW THAT'S FUNNY.....152 MILLION F'ING CLAMS.WHAT'S THAT IN FLORINS????

Look at the date of this:

(http://content.nasdaq.com/reference/200707/mc_070507i.jpg)


I would like to see the date if it would come up! ::MonkeyHaHa::

On the bldg it is July 5, 2007.

(http://content.nasdaq.com/reference/200707/mc_070507g.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 02:34:11 AM
I just wanna know who's idea it was to include this family of a missing girl in their sick,twisted game?????Anybody up for some wild-boar hunting??Just kidding.Joke.Ha-ha ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 02:35:17 AM
APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million
http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/



What was the date that Louis is involved with Legacy?

Kermit.. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::.But Kermit.They had NO MONEY TO FINISH THE SEARCH.....NOW THAT'S FUNNY.....152 MILLION F'ING CLAMS.WHAT'S THAT IN FLORINS????

Look at the date of this:

(http://content.nasdaq.com/reference/200707/mc_070507i.jpg)


I would like to see the date if it would come up! ::MonkeyHaHa::

On the bldg it is July 5, 2007.

(http://content.nasdaq.com/reference/200707/mc_070507g.jpg)


07/05/2007
Schaefer rings opening bell @ NASDAQ stock market (http://www.nasdaq.com/reference/200707/market_close_070507.stm)

ktf - if you click the link and scroll down, the picture should be there...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 02:38:26 AM
 and CW 1 noted that there was a variety of undisclosed dealings betweenSuperior and companies owned by executives at the time of the IPO which would dramaticallycontribute to the Company's inability to succeed and to reach the goals touted in the IPO. Forexample, according to CW 1, around the time of the IPO, Mermis was trying to attain a project outof Venezuela. Rather than securing that work for Superior, Mermis instead sent the project toKaplan Industry - a Company he joined after the bankruptcy.24
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Venezuela........................................  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 02:38:42 AM
APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million
http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/



What was the date that Louis is involved with Legacy?

Kermit.. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::.But Kermit.They had NO MONEY TO FINISH THE SEARCH.....NOW THAT'S FUNNY.....152 MILLION F'ING CLAMS.WHAT'S THAT IN FLORINS????

Those florins be owing to not enough.  Come across.


Really though!Schaeffer could have a MANSION in Aruba,as well as a new moor at the new terminal being built with his name on it???Do his charters in Aruba from time to time to follow up with his buddies on how the port's coming,and or the oil explorations...

I think he probably falsified his SEC filings for Superior Offshore.
You can see he's doing shady things with switching assets.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 02:40:41 AM
I just wanna know who's idea it was to include this family of a missing girl in their sick,twisted game?????Anybody up for some wild-boar hunting??Just kidding.Joke.Ha-ha ::MonkeyDance::

It is quite disturbing to say the least. Beth and Dave trusted them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 02:42:05 AM
and CW 1 noted that there was a variety of undisclosed dealings betweenSuperior and companies owned by executives at the time of the IPO which would dramaticallycontribute to the Company's inability to succeed and to reach the goals touted in the IPO. Forexample, according to CW 1, around the time of the IPO, Mermis was trying to attain a project outof Venezuela. Rather than securing that work for Superior, Mermis instead sent the project toKaplan Industry - a Company he joined after the bankruptcy.24
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Venezuela........................................  ::MonkeyWink::

OMG!  Could that be it?

IPO - April
Call Dave - May

Venezuala opportunity - When?
Given to Kaplan to bid - When?

I want to know!

 ::MonkeyWaa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 02:42:31 AM
Thanx.Looked at thos pictures LifeSong,Kermit.This guy truly is SICK.Standing there ringing the bell at the Nasdaq all tha while,SCHEMING AND PLOTTING!!!! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 02:43:03 AM
APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million
http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/



What was the date that Louis is involved with Legacy?

Sneak Peek

11/20/2007 - NEW
Louis Schaefer and Charles Zamora register Legacy Offshore, LLC; a Louisiana Limited Liability Company (http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin?rqstyp=crpdtlC&rqsdta=36593498K)


10/23/2007
Superior Offshore International, Inc. (Nasdaq:DEEP) today announced it has signed a definitive agreement to acquire Ocean Flow International, LLC (http://www.globenewswire.com/newsroom/news.html?d=129346), a privately held deepwater subsea project engineering and offshore project management services firm based in Houston. The acquisition would be a stock-for-stock transaction valued at approximately $15 million. The closing, which is subject to customary conditions including obtaining certain consents, is expected in the fourth quarter of 2007

11/2007
Superior Offshore South Africa has purchased (http://www.subtech.co.za/content/view/60/17/) a Modular Jack-Up Barge which is expected to significantly enhance the company’s capacity in terms of inshore civil marine operations.

11/14/2007 - – LINK CORRECTED
Superior Offshore shares decline again after defendants belatedly revealed  (http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/) that the Company was operating even below its recently revised forecasts, and that its core business was operating even worse than previously disclosed.

11/14/2007 - NEW
Louis Schaefer retires and resigns (http://houston.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2007/11/12/daily38.html?jst=s_cn_hl) his position as Chairman of the Board of Superior Offshore International.

11/15/2007 - NEW
The Houston Business Journal reports (http://houston.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2007/11/12/daily38.html?jst=s_cn_hl):  Superior Offshore International Inc. has appointed James Persky as board chairman.   Persky replaces Louis Schaefer Jr., founder of the Houston subsea construction and commercial diving service provider, who retired and resigned from the board on Nov. 14.  Persky has been a director of Superior Offshore (NASDAQ: DEEP) since April.

11/20/2007 - NEW
Louis Schaefer and Charles Zamora register Legacy Offshore, LLC (http://www.legacyoffshore.com); a Louisiana Limited Liability Company (http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin?rqstyp=crpdtlC&rqsdta=36593498K)


Why does a man ring the bell at the Stock exchange (basically announcing his company) in July
and 4 months later is selling off his stock and bails out of his own company?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 02:44:51 AM
and CW 1 noted that there was a variety of undisclosed dealings betweenSuperior and companies owned by executives at the time of the IPO which would dramaticallycontribute to the Company's inability to succeed and to reach the goals touted in the IPO. Forexample, according to CW 1, around the time of the IPO, Mermis was trying to attain a project outof Venezuela. Rather than securing that work for Superior, Mermis instead sent the project toKaplan Industry - a Company he joined after the bankruptcy.24
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Venezuela........................................  ::MonkeyWink::

OMG!  Could that be it?

IPO - April
Call Dave - May

Venezuala opportunity - When?
Given to Kaplan to bid - When?

I want to know!

 ::MonkeyWaa::



I want to know too.

John said he wanted to set up an office in Aruba to do business with South America.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 02:49:38 AM
and CW 1 noted that there was a variety of undisclosed dealings betweenSuperior and companies owned by executives at the time of the IPO which would dramaticallycontribute to the Company's inability to succeed and to reach the goals touted in the IPO. Forexample, according to CW 1, around the time of the IPO, Mermis was trying to attain a project outof Venezuela. Rather than securing that work for Superior, Mermis instead sent the project toKaplan Industry - a Company he joined after the bankruptcy.24
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Venezuela........................................  ::MonkeyWink::

OMG!  Could that be it?

IPO - April
Call Dave - May

Venezuala opportunity - When?
Given to Kaplan to bid - When?

I want to know!

 ::MonkeyWaa::



I want to know too.

John said he wanted to set up an office in Aruba to do business with South America.


Chavez-Venezuela ; Castro-Cuba.  Communist.

We have embargoes, etc. against Cuba.  Are American companies legally allowed to work in/for Venezuela?

I don't know...



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 02:50:26 AM
With respect to the Endeavor, according to CW 1,the Endeavor was purchasedthrough a company owned by one ofDefendant Mermis's friends.This related party transaction wasnot disclosed in the Registration Statement.73.Also not disclosed in the Registration Statement, according to  CW 1, Defendants contracted out a significant amount of refurbishing for the Endeavor and those contracts weregranted to friends of Mermis. In addition, according to CW 5, immediately after the IPO, when Weinhoffer officially joined the Company after working closely with Mermis prior to the IPO,Superior also chartered boats from Weinhoffer's company at rates that were dramatically higher than other charter companies.Material Misstatements and Omissions Regarding Management's Conflicts of Interest74.The Registration Statement noted (in addition to the biographies ofthe directors) the following regarding potential conflicts of interest:As of December 31, 2006, Mr. Schaefer and Schaefer Holdings, LP owned all of the membership interests of Superior Offshore International,  


I may need to read this court document a few times.This could put a lot of the puzzle together in regards to whole set-up for what transpired.....

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:YzXYM0VYK8cJ:securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/2008721_r01c_08-00687.pdf+Legacy+offshore+R+joshua+koch&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 02:51:16 AM
Form of Stock Option Agreement
Parties:    
Superior Offshore International
Sectors:    Energy
http://tinyurl.com/c5qofa


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 02:52:16 AM
With respect to the Endeavor, according to CW 1,the Endeavor was purchasedthrough a company owned by one ofDefendant Mermis's friends.This related party transaction wasnot disclosed in the Registration Statement.73.Also not disclosed in the Registration Statement, according to  CW 1, Defendants contracted out a significant amount of refurbishing for the Endeavor and those contracts weregranted to friends of Mermis. In addition, according to CW 5, immediately after the IPO, when Weinhoffer officially joined the Company after working closely with Mermis prior to the IPO,Superior also chartered boats from Weinhoffer's company at rates that were dramatically higher than other charter companies.Material Misstatements and Omissions Regarding Management's Conflicts of Interest74.The Registration Statement noted (in addition to the biographies ofthe directors) the following regarding potential conflicts of interest:As of December 31, 2006, Mr. Schaefer and Schaefer Holdings, LP owned all of the membership interests of Superior Offshore International,  


I may need to read this court document a few times.This could put a lot of the puzzle together in regards to whole set-up for what transpired.....

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:YzXYM0VYK8cJ:securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/2008721_r01c_08-00687.pdf+Legacy+offshore+R+joshua+koch&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

Thank you KFT
This does add more to the web of these guys.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 02:52:19 AM
and CW 1 noted that there was a variety of undisclosed dealings betweenSuperior and companies owned by executives at the time of the IPO which would dramaticallycontribute to the Company's inability to succeed and to reach the goals touted in the IPO. Forexample, according to CW 1, around the time of the IPO, Mermis was trying to attain a project outof Venezuela. Rather than securing that work for Superior, Mermis instead sent the project toKaplan Industry - a Company he joined after the bankruptcy.24
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Venezuela........................................  ::MonkeyWink::

OMG!  Could that be it?

IPO - April
Call Dave - May

Venezuala opportunity - When?
Given to Kaplan to bid - When?

I want to know!

 ::MonkeyWaa::



I want to know too.

John said he wanted to set up an office in Aruba to do business with South America.


Chavez-Venezuela ; Castro-Cuba.  Communist.

We have embargoes, etc. against Cuba.  Are American companies legally allowed to work in/for Venezuela?

I don't know...



If the company is registered in,say,somewhere like Aruba what can the U.S. do?It's a Global economy.Backdoor deals are done all day long....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 02:53:42 AM


I don't know, but what is to stop someone from setting up a business offshore in Aruba and doing business with South America?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 02:56:54 AM
Patrice Chemin, who is expected to become our Chief Operating Officer in May2007, is the president and sole shareholder of Carmel Contracting Company, Inc., thecompany that acted as a commercial agent in connection with our charters of theGulmar Falcon in April 2006 and the Gulmar Condor in October 2006, for whichCarmel received a commission 2006 in the amount of $395,818 from GulmarOffshore with respect to the Gulmar Falcon. Carmel did not receive a commission2006 from Gulmar Offshore in connection with our charter of the Gulmar Condor.Carmel will receive future commissions from Gulmar Offshore of 2.5% and 1.25%of the amounts that we pay Gulmar Offshore under the charters for the GulmarFalcon and the Gulmar Condor, respectively


This is why i was asking about the Gulmar company that is in Panama,as wellas the middle east and Asia i believe!There's a connection to South America.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 02:57:22 AM

Well, I hope Venezuelan is easier to translate than Papiamento!  Maybe they just speak Spanish?

We'll find the bid, Kermit.  Count on it.

All I'm getting on Kaplan Industries (http://www.kaplanindustries.com/) so far is compressed gas cylinders.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 02:58:16 AM
I don't recall if this was posted or not.

http://tinyurl.com/bx53zn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 03:00:17 AM

Well, I hope Venezuelan is easier to translate than Papiamento!  Maybe they just speak Spanish?

We'll find the bid, Kermit.  Count on it.

All I'm getting on Kaplan Industries (http://www.kaplanindustries.com/) so far is compressed gas cylinders.

I'm glad you brought this court document back out LifeSong.It is VERY revealing.It truly is......I looked at that Kaplan industries for awhile but got frustrated.. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 03:01:27 AM
You guys are really putting together amazing work and I congratulate you.
Seriously, great work and I hope you'll continue. I'm sure there is a contract that we just have not found and it will piece it all together.

Good night.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 03:02:49 AM
I don't recall if this was posted or not.

http://tinyurl.com/bx53zn


What???  Triple-love the link - but how's he going to appeal the bankruptcy?  I don't understand that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 03:03:12 AM
You guys are really putting together amazing work and I congratulate you.
Seriously, great work and I hope you'll continue. I'm sure there is a contract that we just have not found and it will piece it all together.

Good night.

Goodnight Kermit and thanx for hopping into the cage for a minute!Much appreciated! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 03:04:29 AM

Well, I hope Venezuelan is easier to translate than Papiamento!  Maybe they just speak Spanish?

We'll find the bid, Kermit.  Count on it.

All I'm getting on Kaplan Industries (http://www.kaplanindustries.com/) so far is compressed gas cylinders.

I'm glad you brought this court document back out LifeSong.It is VERY revealing.It truly is......I looked at that Kaplan industries for awhile but got frustrated.. ::MonkeyHaHa::

If we find Mermis, we'll find Kaplan.  That's a job for tomorrow, I think.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 03:05:51 AM
You guys are really putting together amazing work and I congratulate you.
Seriously, great work and I hope you'll continue. I'm sure there is a contract that we just have not found and it will piece it all together.

Good night.


Good night, Kermit, thanks.  God Bless.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 28, 2009, 03:07:50 AM
Has anyone ever posted a criminal history on Schaefer?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 03:08:35 AM
75.The foregoing statements were materially untrue and misleading because they omitted to disclose that Mermis was seeking to secure projects for competitors. Prior to and around the time of the IPO, Mermis worked to obtain a Venezuelan project for the benefit of another company rather than for Superior. CW 2, a former employee who was a receptionist and executive assistant during the Class Period, and CW 1 reported that, while Superior Offshore's CEO, Mermis billed the Company for trips to Venezuela made to procure a client for the Kaplan Industry - the company that Mermis would eventually join after resigning from Superior Offshore.

LifeSong.Can we narrow down the potential dates that Mermis would have traveled to Venezuela?Billed Superior for these trips.Schaefer was aware of this i would think?NO?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 03:08:55 AM
Has anyone ever posted a criminal history on Schaefer?

HotPing.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 28, 2009, 03:10:04 AM
Has anyone ever posted a criminal history on Schaefer?

HotPing.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
Ya want to see it?  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 03:12:16 AM
Has anyone ever posted a criminal history on Schaefer?

HotPing.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
Ya want to see it?  ::MonkeyTongue::

Let me eat my Snickerdoodle cookie then drink my milk.Oh hell.Bring it on... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 03:12:32 AM
Has anyone ever posted a criminal history on Schaefer?

HotPing.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
Ya want to see it?  ::MonkeyTongue::


 ::MonkeyLaugh::

YES!!!!!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 28, 2009, 03:12:41 AM
Honestly should I post it or not?  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 03:13:22 AM
Honestly should I post it or not?  ::MonkeyEek::

If it's public redord!Bring it!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 28, 2009, 03:14:45 AM
Honestly should I post it or not?  ::MonkeyEek::

If it's public redord!Bring it!
Yep It's a Public Record....Just like if it was You or Me... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 03:14:51 AM
Honestly should I post it or not?  ::MonkeyEek::

If it's public redord!Bring it!

Go Hotping, Go Hotping, Go Hotping!

 ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 03:17:14 AM
76.In a similar manner, the Registration Statement also failed to disclose that Defendant Schaefer would directly profit from Superior' s failure  in that, as reported by CW 5, when Schaefer stepped down as Chairman of the Board of the Company - he started another Company called Legacy Diving. When Superior closed its Belle Chase, Louisiana location, it sold a number of assets to Legacy for "pennies on the dollar."Material Misstatements and Omissions Re2ardin2 the Company's Expenditures andOperating Expenses and Internal Controls77.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 03:17:34 AM
75.The foregoing statements were materially untrue and misleading because they omitted to disclose that Mermis was seeking to secure projects for competitors. Prior to and around the time of the IPO, Mermis worked to obtain a Venezuelan project for the benefit of another company rather than for Superior. CW 2, a former employee who was a receptionist and executive assistant during the Class Period, and CW 1 reported that, while Superior Offshore's CEO, Mermis billed the Company for trips to Venezuela made to procure a client for the Kaplan Industry - the company that Mermis would eventually join after resigning from Superior Offshore.

LifeSong.Can we narrow down the potential dates that Mermis would have traveled to Venezuela?Billed Superior for these trips.Schaefer was aware of this i would think?NO?

I can't imagine he wouldn't know.  Even if it was after 11/07 when he resigned from the company, obviously he and Mermis had to be close, we've seen the industrial incest at work.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 28, 2009, 03:17:44 AM
     
 TX Bexar Criminal Detail

Court
CC7 Case
203364
Name
SCHAEFER, LOUIS EDWARD

Gender
M
Race
W
Date of Birth
Mar 12 1943
House No.
2240

 Street Name
MARINA WAY
 City
KEMMAH
State
TX ZIP Code
77565
Offense Date
Feb 11 2007
Offense Description
ASSAULT BODILY INJURY-MARRIED/
Arrest Date
Feb 11 2007
Filing Date
Feb 11 2007
Filing Agency Description
BEXAR COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY
Disposition Date
May 14 2008
Disposition Description
DSMD-OTHER Sentence Description
 Sentence Term (YYYMMDDHHH)
0000000000 Fine
0000000.00





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 03:19:13 AM
75.The foregoing statements were materially untrue and misleading because they omitted to disclose that Mermis was seeking to secure projects for competitors. Prior to and around the time of the IPO, Mermis worked to obtain a Venezuelan project for the benefit of another company rather than for Superior. CW 2, a former employee who was a receptionist and executive assistant during the Class Period, and CW 1 reported that, while Superior Offshore's CEO, Mermis billed the Company for trips to Venezuela made to procure a client for the Kaplan Industry - the company that Mermis would eventually join after resigning from Superior Offshore.

LifeSong.Can we narrow down the potential dates that Mermis would have traveled to Venezuela?Billed Superior for these trips.Schaefer was aware of this i would think?NO?

I can't imagine he wouldn't know.  Even if it was after 11/07 when he resigned from the company, obviously he and Mermis had to be close, we've seen the industrial incest at work.



Is the receptionist saying he travel there during the Class Period..When is the class period?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 03:23:22 AM
     
 TX Bexar Criminal Detail

Court
CC7 Case
203364
Name
SCHAEFER, LOUIS EDWARD

Gender
M
Race
W
Date of Birth
Mar 12 1943
House No.
2240

 Street Name
MARINA WAY
 City
KEMMAH
State
TX ZIP Code
77565
Offense Date
Feb 11 2007
Offense Description
ASSAULT BODILY INJURY-MARRIED/
Arrest Date
Feb 11 2007
Filing Date
Feb 11 2007
Filing Agency Description
BEXAR COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY
Disposition Date
May 14 2008
Disposition Description
DSMD-OTHER Sentence Description
 Sentence Term (YYYMMDDHHH)
0000000000 Fine
0000000.00





Was it domestic?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 28, 2009, 03:23:53 AM
Who are Schaefer's two sons...James Scott and who is the other?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 03:24:27 AM
75.The foregoing statements were materially untrue and misleading because they omitted to disclose that Mermis was seeking to secure projects for competitors. Prior to and around the time of the IPO, Mermis worked to obtain a Venezuelan project for the benefit of another company rather than for Superior. CW 2, a former employee who was a receptionist and executive assistant during the Class Period, and CW 1 reported that, while Superior Offshore's CEO, Mermis billed the Company for trips to Venezuela made to procure a client for the Kaplan Industry - the company that Mermis would eventually join after resigning from Superior Offshore.

LifeSong.Can we narrow down the potential dates that Mermis would have traveled to Venezuela?Billed Superior for these trips.Schaefer was aware of this i would think?NO?

I can't imagine he wouldn't know.  Even if it was after 11/07 when he resigned from the company, obviously he and Mermis had to be close, we've seen the industrial incest at work.



Is the receptionist saying he travel there during the Class Period..When is the class period?

02/29/08LINK CORRECTED
The first class action lawsuit against Superior Offshore Int’l (http://au.us.biz.yahoo.com/iw/080229/0368776.html) is announced on behalf of shareholders who purchased stock between 4/20/07 and 1/09/08.

That's the Class Period, KTF!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 28, 2009, 03:25:37 AM
     
 TX Bexar Criminal Detail

Court
CC7 Case
203364
Name
SCHAEFER, LOUIS EDWARD

Gender
M
Race
W
Date of Birth
Mar 12 1943
House No.
2240

 Street Name
MARINA WAY
 City
KEMMAH
State
TX ZIP Code
77565
Offense Date
Feb 11 2007
Offense Description
ASSAULT BODILY INJURY-MARRIED/
Arrest Date
Feb 11 2007
Filing Date
Feb 11 2007
Filing Agency Description
BEXAR COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY
Disposition Date
May 14 2008
Disposition Description
DSMD-OTHER Sentence Description
 Sentence Term (YYYMMDDHHH)
0000000000 Fine
0000000.00





Was it domestic?
That's what I figured but I'm not sure...I believe one of His exwife's lives in Bexar County TX.... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 03:26:36 AM
75.The foregoing statements were materially untrue and misleading because they omitted to disclose that Mermis was seeking to secure projects for competitors. Prior to and around the time of the IPO, Mermis worked to obtain a Venezuelan project for the benefit of another company rather than for Superior. CW 2, a former employee who was a receptionist and executive assistant during the Class Period, and CW 1 reported that, while Superior Offshore's CEO, Mermis billed the Company for trips to Venezuela made to procure a client for the Kaplan Industry - the company that Mermis would eventually join after resigning from Superior Offshore.

LifeSong.Can we narrow down the potential dates that Mermis would have traveled to Venezuela?Billed Superior for these trips.Schaefer was aware of this i would think?NO?

I can't imagine he wouldn't know.  Even if it was after 11/07 when he resigned from the company, obviously he and Mermis had to be close, we've seen the industrial incest at work.



Is the receptionist saying he travel there during the Class Period..When is the class period?

02/29/08LINK CORRECTED
The first class action lawsuit against Superior Offshore Int’l (http://au.us.biz.yahoo.com/iw/080229/0368776.html) is announced on behalf of shareholders who purchased stock between 4/20/07 and 1/09/08.

That's the Class Period, KTF!


So can we say Mermis was potentially flying to Venezuala during preparations for the Persistence search?? ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 03:28:34 AM
84.Company funds were used to pay for personal expenses incurred by Schaefer and his family, which began when the Company was privately owned but continued after the Company became public:(a)CW 9 reported that, prior to the IPO, Schaefer utilized Company employees to repair damage after his ex-wife "destroyed" cars and homes. Company funds were also used to pay his ex-wife's mortgage and bills.(b)According to CW 5, Company employees - including Pat Wilson, a projectmanager on the Superior Offshore payroll -were being used by Schaefer's sons to work on a project  specifically related to Greenhead Rentals.(c)CW 5 also reported that prior to the IPO, Company funds were used to pay for fuel for Schaefer' s personal 50-foot fishing boat.


I'm sure there was a little volatilty.You think??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 03:29:58 AM
     
 TX Bexar Criminal Detail

Court
CC7 Case
203364
Name
SCHAEFER, LOUIS EDWARD

Gender
M
Race
W
Date of Birth
Mar 12 1943
House No.
2240

 Street Name
MARINA WAY
 City
KEMMAH
State
TX ZIP Code
77565
Offense Date
Feb 11 2007
Offense Description
ASSAULT BODILY INJURY-MARRIED/
Arrest Date
Feb 11 2007
Filing Date
Feb 11 2007
Filing Agency Description
BEXAR COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY
Disposition Date
May 14 2008
Disposition Description
DSMD-OTHER Sentence Description
 Sentence Term (YYYMMDDHHH)
0000000000 Fine
0000000.00  


Hotping - can you find a legend that tells what DSMD-OTHER means?


DSMD Discount Schedule Marketing Data
DSMD Draft Ship Manpower Document
http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/DSMD

I don't think those are right!   ::MonkeyWink::

Of course, I wouldn't expect him to pay a fine...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 03:33:30 AM
75.The foregoing statements were materially untrue and misleading because they omitted to disclose that Mermis was seeking to secure projects for competitors. Prior to and around the time of the IPO, Mermis worked to obtain a Venezuelan project for the benefit of another company rather than for Superior. CW 2, a former employee who was a receptionist and executive assistant during the Class Period, and CW 1 reported that, while Superior Offshore's CEO, Mermis billed the Company for trips to Venezuela made to procure a client for the Kaplan Industry - the company that Mermis would eventually join after resigning from Superior Offshore.

LifeSong.Can we narrow down the potential dates that Mermis would have traveled to Venezuela?Billed Superior for these trips.Schaefer was aware of this i would think?NO?

I can't imagine he wouldn't know.  Even if it was after 11/07 when he resigned from the company, obviously he and Mermis had to be close, we've seen the industrial incest at work.



Is the receptionist saying he travel there during the Class Period..When is the class period?

02/29/08LINK CORRECTED
The first class action lawsuit against Superior Offshore Int’l (http://au.us.biz.yahoo.com/iw/080229/0368776.html) is announced on behalf of shareholders who purchased stock between 4/20/07 and 1/09/08.

That's the Class Period, KTF!


So can we say Mermis was potentially flying to Venezuala during preparations for the Persistence search?? ::MonkeyShocked::

I do believe we can - possibly even during those first few weeks of the search.

Un-freaking-believable!!





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 03:34:17 AM
Could be some type of home monitoring device???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 03:36:49 AM
89.CW 8 reported that a former female bartender who was hired to answer the phoneswas immediately promoted to a $50,000 accounts payable position.


I think we now know why the X-Wife was so mad! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 03:37:56 AM
Could be some type of home monitoring device???

I'm thinking he got anger mgmt at the most.  But even that, I would think, would include a fine.  Bet he got off scott-free.

Punk-ass bitch.  (Sorry, Klaas & theAmazingMods!)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 28, 2009, 03:38:53 AM
     
 TX Bexar Criminal Detail

Court
CC7 Case
203364
Name
SCHAEFER, LOUIS EDWARD

Gender
M
Race
W
Date of Birth
Mar 12 1943
House No.
2240

 Street Name
MARINA WAY
 City
KEMMAH
State
TX ZIP Code
77565
Offense Date
Feb 11 2007
Offense Description
ASSAULT BODILY INJURY-MARRIED/
Arrest Date
Feb 11 2007
Filing Date
Feb 11 2007
Filing Agency Description
BEXAR COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY
Disposition Date
May 14 2008
Disposition Description
DSMD-OTHER Sentence Description
 Sentence Term (YYYMMDDHHH)
0000000000 Fine
0000000.00  


Hotping - can you find a legend that tells what DSMD-OTHER means?


DSMD Discount Schedule Marketing Data
DSMD Draft Ship Manpower Document
http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/DSMD

I don't think those are right!   ::MonkeyWink::

Of course, I wouldn't expect him to pay a fine...

I couldn't find a legend but I looked on other offenders and it shows guilty or not guilty...it could the charges were dropped....or the court date was reset.....not positive though....I will look somemore tomorrow....

I'm going to bed....Good Night!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 03:40:01 AM
Goodnight Hotping!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 03:41:59 AM
75.The foregoing statements were materially untrue and misleading because they omitted to disclose that Mermis was seeking to secure projects for competitors. Prior to and around the time of the IPO, Mermis worked to obtain a Venezuelan project for the benefit of another company rather than for Superior. CW 2, a former employee who was a receptionist and executive assistant during the Class Period, and CW 1 reported that, while Superior Offshore's CEO, Mermis billed the Company for trips to Venezuela made to procure a client for the Kaplan Industry - the company that Mermis would eventually join after resigning from Superior Offshore.

LifeSong.Can we narrow down the potential dates that Mermis would have traveled to Venezuela?Billed Superior for these trips.Schaefer was aware of this i would think?NO?

I can't imagine he wouldn't know.  Even if it was after 11/07 when he resigned from the company, obviously he and Mermis had to be close, we've seen the industrial incest at work.



Is the receptionist saying he travel there during the Class Period..When is the class period?

02/29/08LINK CORRECTED
The first class action lawsuit against Superior Offshore Int’l (http://au.us.biz.yahoo.com/iw/080229/0368776.html) is announced on behalf of shareholders who purchased stock between 4/20/07 and 1/09/08.

That's the Class Period, KTF!


So can we say Mermis was potentially flying to Venezuala during preparations for the Persistence search?? ::MonkeyShocked::

I do believe we can - possibly even during those first few weeks of the search.

Un-freaking-believable!!





If we could nail down the dates of those trips by Mermis to Venezuela... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 03:47:33 AM
75.The foregoing statements were materially untrue and misleading because they omitted to disclose that Mermis was seeking to secure projects for competitors. Prior to and around the time of the IPO, Mermis worked to obtain a Venezuelan project for the benefit of another company rather than for Superior. CW 2, a former employee who was a receptionist and executive assistant during the Class Period, and CW 1 reported that, while Superior Offshore's CEO, Mermis billed the Company for trips to Venezuela made to procure a client for the Kaplan Industry - the company that Mermis would eventually join after resigning from Superior Offshore.

LifeSong.Can we narrow down the potential dates that Mermis would have traveled to Venezuela?Billed Superior for these trips.Schaefer was aware of this i would think?NO?

I can't imagine he wouldn't know.  Even if it was after 11/07 when he resigned from the company, obviously he and Mermis had to be close, we've seen the industrial incest at work.



Is the receptionist saying he travel there during the Class Period..When is the class period?

02/29/08LINK CORRECTED
The first class action lawsuit against Superior Offshore Int’l (http://au.us.biz.yahoo.com/iw/080229/0368776.html) is announced on behalf of shareholders who purchased stock between 4/20/07 and 1/09/08.

That's the Class Period, KTF!


So can we say Mermis was potentially flying to Venezuala during preparations for the Persistence search?? ::MonkeyShocked::

I do believe we can - possibly even during those first few weeks of the search.

Un-freaking-believable!!





If we could nail down the dates of those trips by Mermis to Venezuela... ::MonkeyEek::

Si, si, mi amigo.  Y les vamos a encontrar!

(Just brushing up.)  http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 03:52:46 AM
                             
                                  THE TRUTH BELATEDLY EMERGES


This is actually stated in the court document...We shall start on page 38 tomorrow.....

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:YzXYM0VYK8cJ:securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/2008721_r01c_08-00687.pdf+Legacy+offshore+R+joshua+koch&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us


                                JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

                                    GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS

                                            KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 03:55:42 AM
76.In a similar manner, the Registration Statement also failed to disclose that DefendantSchaefer would directly profit from Superior' s failure in that, as reported by CW 5, when Schaeferstepped down as Chairman of the Board of the Company - he started another Company called Legacy Diving. When Superior closed its Belle Chase, Louisiana location, it sold a number of assets to Legacy for "pennies on the dollar."


81.For example, undisclosed at the time of the IPO, from the time the Company waslocated in Belle Chasse, Lousiana until after its move to Lafayette, Louisiana following HurricaneKatrina in August 2005, the Company received daily calls from vendors seeking payment for unpaidbills. CW 8 reported that this nonpayment continued when the Company relocated to Lafayette as itfailed to give vendors the Company's forwarding address. CW 8 attributed this nonpayment todisorganization and misspending . CW 6 and CW 3, a former employee who worked in accounts payable during the Class Period, also noted that the Company's failure to pay its bills- including those to boat operators and equipment suppliers - continued beyond the IPO into early 2008

84.Company funds were used to pay for personal expenses incurred by Schaefer and hisfamily, which began when the Company was privately owned but continued after the Companybecame public:(a)CW 9 reported that, prior to the IPO, Schaefer utilized Company employees torepair damage after his ex-wife "destroyed" cars and homes. Company funds were also used to payhis ex-wife's mortgage and bills.(b)According to CW 5, Company employees - including Pat Wilson, a projectmanager on the Superior Offshore payroll -were being used by Schaefer's sons to work on a projectspecifically related to Greenhead Rentals.(c)CW 5 also reported that prior to the IPO, Company funds were used to pay forfuel for Schaefer' s personal 50-foot fishing boat.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:YzXYM0VYK8cJ:securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/2008721_r01c_08-00687.pdf+Legacy+offshore+R+joshua+koch&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us


Goodnight KTF - God Bless you!!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 04:00:01 AM
GoodNight LifeSong...I hope we've painted a better picture for Janet rather then my random posting skills.Maybe it will be a pleasant suprise upon her return.We'll post the link again and she can peruse it from start to finish.I was able to follow the actual COURT DOCUMENT Janet so i will not take the credit...Please read the court document.That's where it's at.......... ::MonkeyCool::

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:YzXYM0VYK8cJ:securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/2008721_r01c_08-00687.pdf+Legacy+offshore+R+joshua+koch&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 04:02:25 AM
Must say hello to San before i go to bed... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


God Bless the Monkey's,as well as LifeSong's Timeline......



NATALEE HOLLOWAY...WE HAVE NOT,NOR WILL NOT,FORGET.......... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 04:02:33 AM
Let's give a shout out to Tamikosmom.Enjoying The Emerald City and The Lion king....

Hope ya had a great time Janet.Did ya throw a fish at the market??


 ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::


 ::MonkeyDance::       ::MonkeyDance::       ::MonkeyDance::       ::MonkeyDance::      ::MonkeyDance::


We Miss You, Janet!!



 ::cartwheel::    ::cartwheel::    ::cartwheel::    ::cartwheel::    ::cartwheel::

Bumpity-Bump


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 28, 2009, 04:33:49 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on February 28, 2009, 07:38:20 AM
Wow, been reading up on what I missed and what a research team !!!! You have peeled the onion back to reveal Schaefer's shell game from the get-go!! As I said, rarely do companies commit to such large endeavors/expenses for totally altruistic reasons. Like Magnolia, I'm not sure I 'get' what the benefit was in the Natalee search except my hinky meter seems to think it was surely to disguise some other intent/goal of that voyage. Or that Aruba wanted the trap found to confirm Natalee's remains truly never would be found, or to provide cover for mappings that might concern some on Aruba with ecological concerns around drilling offshore. This search was also occurring during a period of time that oil and oil futures were beginning to explode economically and South America and the Caribbean being the new frontier for drilling.

I'm just impressed by all you've discovered and share your disdain for Schaefer and friends. He's good at playing the shell game as a serial entrepreneur, I'd compare him to a snake oil salesman post what you've found - investors beware. But when people seek a get rich quick then they often find themselves hooked up with the likes of Schaefer.

I know kermit has said they are ensuring the family sees this, I hope it will be as revealing and enlightening for them, as it has been for all of us. In the past I think we've also seen Tim Miller steer clear of criticizing even Aruba, I don't think he sees that as his role.

Again major kudos to all of you who have worked so diligently to drill down to the realities of these playas in this game.

Applause !!!

this link has some interesting comments at the bottom by "anonymous", not necessarily related to the Persistence search but in looking for that article Klaas and I recall from a few years back linking Oduber to oil and China - I discovered this and just found the comments pretty interesting. They range from comments regarding the boycott, to Russian and Iranian investment in the island, and the oil futures biz. I haven't been to Michelle's site in a long time, some of you may have, so forgive me if you've seen this before.

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2008/07/paulus-web-of-his-pedophile-network.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 28, 2009, 08:48:15 AM
     
 TX Bexar Criminal Detail

Court
CC7 Case
203364
Name
SCHAEFER, LOUIS EDWARD

Gender
M
Race
W
Date of Birth
Mar 12 1943
House No.
2240

 Street Name
MARINA WAY
 City
KEMMAH
State
TX ZIP Code
77565
Offense Date
Feb 11 2007
Offense Description
ASSAULT BODILY INJURY-MARRIED/
Arrest Date
Feb 11 2007
Filing Date
Feb 11 2007
Filing Agency Description
BEXAR COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY
Disposition Date
May 14 2008  Disposition Description
DSMD-OTHER Sentence Description
 Sentence Term (YYYMMDDHHH)
0000000000 Fine
0000000.00  


Hotping - can you find a legend that tells what DSMD-OTHER means?


DSMD Discount Schedule Marketing Data
DSMD Draft Ship Manpower Document
http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/DSMD

I don't think those are right!   ::MonkeyWink::

Of course, I wouldn't expect him to pay a fine...

I couldn't find a legend but I looked on other offenders and it shows guilty or not guilty...it could the charges were dropped....or the court date was reset.....not positive though....I will look somemore tomorrow....

I'm going to bed....Good Night!
Look at the date -- is it resolved yet?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: vms on February 28, 2009, 09:04:16 AM
Lifesong....The new address that You found for Eagle Syndications goes to none other than.....

.  MCNAUGHT, JUDITH   4387 Cedar Bluff Ln , FRISCO, TX 75034

 ::MonkeyWink::
   

Type of Work:    Text
Registration Number / Date:    TX0006337005 / 2006-04-07
Title:    Every breath you take : a novel / Judith McNaught.
Edition:    1st ed.
Imprint:    New York : Ballantine Books, c2005.
Description:    334 p.
Copyright Claimant:    Eagle Syndication, Inc.
Date of Creation:    2004
Date of Publication:    2005-12-27
   
Names:    McNaught, Judith
   Eagle Syndication, Inc.

Type of Work:    Text
Registration Number / Date:    TX0004169678 / 1995-11-21
Title:    Miracles / Judith McNaught.
Appears in:    A holiday of love, p. 93-166
Copyright Claimant:    Eagle Syndication, Inc.
Date of Creation:    1994
Date of Publication:    1994-10-27
   
Other Title:    A holiday of love
Names:    McNaught, Judith
   Eagle Syndication, Inc.


Type of Work:    Text
Registration Number / Date:    TX0002806217 / 1990-04-19
Title:    Almost heaven / Judith McNaught.
Description:    1 v.
Copyright Claimant:    Eagle Syndication, Inc.
Date of Creation:    1989
Date of Publication:    1990-04-12
Authorship on Application:    Eagle Syndication, Inc., employer for hire.
   
Names:    McNaught, Judith
   Eagle Syndication, Inc.






I think she probably pays to publish her own work, because she cannot get a publisher otherwise.
I know a woman who does that just so that she can say she is 'published'.

With multiple New York Times bestsellers, I hardly think she has that problem.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: vms on February 28, 2009, 09:07:45 AM
That's flawed research on Judith McNaught. I doubt she ever met Louis Schaefer.

Judith McNaught and Eagle Syndication are only connected to him by means of a real estate transaction. And to call her his girlfriend... :roll:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 28, 2009, 09:08:18 AM
     
 TX Bexar Criminal Detail

Court
CC7 Case
203364
Name
SCHAEFER, LOUIS EDWARD

Gender
M
Race
W
Date of Birth
Mar 12 1943
House No.
2240

 Street Name
MARINA WAY
 City
KEMMAH
State
TX ZIP Code
77565
Offense Date
Feb 11 2007
Offense Description
ASSAULT BODILY INJURY-MARRIED/
Arrest Date
Feb 11 2007
Filing Date
Feb 11 2007
Filing Agency Description
BEXAR COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY
Disposition Date
May 14 2008
Disposition Description
DSMD-OTHER Sentence Description
 Sentence Term (YYYMMDDHHH)
0000000000 Fine
0000000.00  


Hotping - can you find a legend that tells what DSMD-OTHER means?


DSMD Discount Schedule Marketing Data
DSMD Draft Ship Manpower Document
http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/DSMD

I don't think those are right!   ::MonkeyWink::

Of course, I wouldn't expect him to pay a fine...

I couldn't find a legend but I looked on other offenders and it shows guilty or not guilty...it could the charges were dropped....or the court date was reset.....not positive though....I will look somemore tomorrow....

I'm going to bed....Good Night!

Dismissed as  Marrital Dispute?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: San on February 28, 2009, 09:12:57 AM
Must say hello to San before i go to bed... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


God Bless the Monkey's,as well as LifeSong's Timeline......



NATALEE HOLLOWAY...WE HAVE NOT,NOR WILL NOT,FORGET.......... ::MonkeyWink::

I missed your post last night because I went to bed early.

I will say good morning instead.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 28, 2009, 09:19:00 AM
Good Morning, all!

I can't follow the conglomerates but I can the Class Action Law Suit.

What a shame all of this has turned out to be!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 28, 2009, 09:24:07 AM
Good Morning, VMS.

Thank you for the corrections.  They will be noted.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: San on February 28, 2009, 09:27:35 AM
Good Morning, VMS.

Thank you for the corrections.  They will be noted.

Good Morning Magnolia.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 28, 2009, 09:36:31 AM
Magnolia, Hope you are OK as the weather is very bad across the central portion of the state still.

Not exactly good here either, for that matter.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 28, 2009, 09:44:19 AM
Off to work I go but will check back in for updates throughout the day.

Hope all have a wonderful and productive day.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 28, 2009, 09:54:21 AM
Magnolia, Hope you are OK as the weather is very bad across the central portion of the state still.

Not exactly good here either, for that matter.



Thank you Anna for your concern.
We had six inches of rain and lots of thunder, but nothing severe here.
I guess that means it will frost in April, according to the old farmers tales.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 28, 2009, 09:58:53 AM
Good Morning, VMS.

Thank you for the corrections.  They will be noted.

Good Morning Magnolia.  ::MonkeyWink::

Good Morning to all...excuse my rudeness, please.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 28, 2009, 10:23:21 AM

Good morning everyone!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 28, 2009, 10:24:50 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_53275.php

Google translation:

Aruba
Process started catering smugglers

27 Feb, 2009, 14:48 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The trial of nine persons suspected of large-scale cocaine smuggling from Aruba to the Netherlands, this morning started. Besides coke smuggling, the defendants also indicted because of money laundering, membership of a criminal organization and possession of cocaine. The facts which have been charged, in a few cases even back to June 2002.

On November 11 last year during a joint police operation in the Netherlands, Aruba and Netherlands Antilles fifteen suspects arrested on suspicion of cocaine smuggling, money laundering and a series of other criminal offenses. A number of suspects were arrested at Schiphol Airport, while others, including a customs official, were arrested.

The suspects were over a long period, through a local caterer 'specially prepared' eetkarretjes on board of aircraft with the Netherlands as a destination. One of the suspects caused some caterers at the right time, was. In the Netherlands were co-perpetrators ready to cocaine packages from the plane out. Except in the sidewalls of the catering carts there was also cocaine hidden in garbage bags and a laptop bag.

In house searches in the homes of the suspects in the Netherlands and Aruba were then laptops, mobile phones, a large amount of cash, a gun, cocaine and cars seized. A search on the island was only the administration account. The seized cocaine had a wholesale value of about 1.7 million florin.

The study, which was launched in February 2008, was a collaboration between the National Research Service of the National Police, the Search Team Collaboration in Aruba, the Royal Military Police and customs at Schiphol, the FIOD-ECD and Regiopolitie Brabant-Noord.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 28, 2009, 10:28:38 AM
Wow, been reading up on what I missed and what a research team !!!! You have peeled the onion back to reveal Schaefer's shell game from the get-go!! As I said, rarely do companies commit to such large endeavors/expenses for totally altruistic reasons. Like Magnolia, I'm not sure I 'get' what the benefit was in the Natalee search except my hinky meter seems to think it was surely to disguise some other intent/goal of that voyage. Or that Aruba wanted the trap found to confirm Natalee's remains truly never would be found, or to provide cover for mappings that might concern some on Aruba with ecological concerns around drilling offshore. This search was also occurring during a period of time that oil and oil futures were beginning to explode economically and South America and the Caribbean being the new frontier for drilling.

I'm just impressed by all you've discovered and share your disdain for Schaefer and friends. He's good at playing the shell game as a serial entrepreneur, I'd compare him to a snake oil salesman post what you've found - investors beware. But when people seek a get rich quick then they often find themselves hooked up with the likes of Schaefer.

I know kermit has said they are ensuring the family sees this, I hope it will be as revealing and enlightening for them, as it has been for all of us. In the past I think we've also seen Tim Miller steer clear of criticizing even Aruba, I don't think he sees that as his role.

Again major kudos to all of you who have worked so diligently to drill down to the realities of these playas in this game.

Applause !!!

this link has some interesting comments at the bottom by "anonymous", not necessarily related to the Persistence search but in looking for that article Klaas and I recall from a few years back linking Oduber to oil and China - I discovered this and just found the comments pretty interesting. They range from comments regarding the boycott, to Russian and Iranian investment in the island, and the oil futures biz. I haven't been to Michelle's site in a long time, some of you may have, so forgive me if you've seen this before.

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2008/07/paulus-web-of-his-pedophile-network.html



I do agree with you Nonesuche. I am amazed at what has been uncovered here so far.
I have sat back and have spent my time reading and trying to digest this huge web. 
Believe me I have had my doubts about where it was leading but with each thing uncovered another comes to light.  I applaud all who have so diligently worked on this and brought so much to light. 

No one can say this is a witch hunt.  Imagine what can be uncovered just by Goggling and connecting the dots.  The timeline is a tremendous help, Kudos to each one for what they have done to see that Justice for Natalee and her family is ALWAYS in the forefront.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 28, 2009, 10:35:17 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53255.php

Human trafficking gang rounded up
26 Feb, 2009, 09:22 (GMT -04:00)

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WILLEMSTAD – With the arrest of four suspects yesterday morning and the rescue of five victims, the authorities have put an end to the activities of a criminal organization that was dealing in people and human trafficking from Surinam to Trinidad and Curaçao.

The Surinamese authorities have requested the Public Prosecutor to trace a number of victims that were deprived of their freedom and the arrest of the suspects involved that fled from Trinidad to Curaçao and forced a number of victims to go with them.
Two men and two women between the age of 22 and 29 were arrested on the property Dorus H in Sta Catharina yesterday morning.  All four are from Surinam.  They imprisoned five compatriots, two men and three women.  The five persons will be received by social workers and eventually returned to Surinam. 

The suspects recruited men and women in Surinam to work in the horeca (hotel, restaurants and cafes) in the Netherlands.  To do so, they first had to go to Trinidad to follow a course.  After paying thousands of euros, dozens of men and women were taken from Surinam to Trinidad.  Once in that country, the gang confiscated the victims’ passports, they were forced to do heavy physical labour in and around the home of the suspects.  The victims were also ill-treated and forced to have their family in Surinam transfer money from Surinam to Trinidad for the benefit of the suspects. 

When the suspects realized that the Surinamese- and Trinidad authorities were after them, they fled from Trinidad to Curaçao.  Some of the victims got a chance to escape and returned to Surinam, where they were received by the Surinamese authorities.  The suspects forced some victims to go with them to Curaçao, where they arrived in November and December of last year.  The suspects tried to do the same thing they were doing in Trinidad, but they were caught this morning.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Rob on February 28, 2009, 10:50:53 AM
Hi Monks.. juss wanted to drop by and say hello and let ya all know I'm still out here and follow when I can.

I guess I never thought that the Persistence endeavor could have been strictly based on the nominal contributions made by the few of us that are still left. As we learned from the beginning, this was gonna take over 1 million and there are only so many people left willing to donate to this cause. So, some could have come from corporate donations and some from people like us, but I always felt that the bulk had to be "in house". Shaeffer admits he put up most of the money.

As I have been reading along, something struck me and I really don't know if it has anything at all to do with this, but some may recall that there was a woman that fled to Aruba in a monetary shell game involving a company named Capital??? something or other.

Her partners were arrested in the scheme and this lady had never been found if I recall correctly. This scheme involved about 5.3 billion and we talked about it at the time. This (IIRC) was the summer before the Persistence made it's voyage to Aruba.

Someone may want to see if that company and the scheme are tied to Shaeffer, Slivetti, and the lot of derelicts masquerading as victim's rights advocates.

The article is in our archives somewhere, along with the names of the company, the players involved, and the entire scheme itself.

Every monetary scheme such, as the one Shaeffer has attempted, needs a financial front - I'm not saying that this company is it, but it has ties to Aruba and could be the lynch pin you all need.

Take care and see you all again soon.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 11:38:30 AM
That's flawed research on Judith McNaught. I doubt she ever met Louis Schaefer.

Judith McNaught and Eagle Syndication are only connected to him by means of a real estate transaction. And to call her his girlfriend... :roll:

How bout that court documeent VMS?Flawed research?Bad boys,bad boys.watcha gonna do, watcha gonna do  ::MonkeyWink::when they come for you..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 11:39:10 AM
Good Morning Monkey's... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 11:40:36 AM
Hi Monks.. juss wanted to drop by and say hello and let ya all know I'm still out here and follow when I can.

I guess I never thought that the Persistence endeavor could have been strictly based on the nominal contributions made by the few of us that are still left. As we learned from the beginning, this was gonna take over 1 million and there are only so many people left willing to donate to this cause. So, some could have come from corporate donations and some from people like us, but I always felt that the bulk had to be "in house". Shaeffer admits he put up most of the money.

As I have been reading along, something struck me and I really don't know if it has anything at all to do with this, but some may recall that there was a woman that fled to Aruba in a monetary shell game involving a company named Capital??? something or other.

Her partners were arrested in the scheme and this lady had never been found if I recall correctly. This scheme involved about 5.3 billion and we talked about it at the time. This (IIRC) was the summer before the Persistence made it's voyage to Aruba.

Someone may want to see if that company and the scheme are tied to Shaeffer, Slivetti, and the lot of derelicts masquerading as victim's rights advocates.

The article is in our archives somewhere, along with the names of the company, the players involved, and the entire scheme itself.

Every monetary scheme such, as the one Shaeffer has attempted, needs a financial front - I'm not saying that this company is it, but it has ties to Aruba and could be the lynch pin you all need.

Take care and see you all again soon.

Heyyy Rob!Thanx for info..Hope all is well and God Bless! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 11:45:34 AM
Good Morning, VMS.

Thank you for the corrections.  They will be noted.

Good Morning Magnolia.  ::MonkeyWink::

Good Morning to all...excuse my rudeness, please.

You being rude again Magnolia? ::MonkeyHaHa:: We must really applaud VMS for keeping the Monkeys rolling.The post regarding Legacy Offshore was great motivation.Again.I commend you VMS.You've done more then you know..Please do confirm when our research is flawed.Let me know what you think about the court document and which part is flawed!TIA ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 01:08:58 PM
Firms Eye Valero’s Aruba Refinery
02/6/2009
Bill Klesse, CEO of Valero Energy Corp. said, “A couple of strategic companies” are interested in the firm’s Aruba refinery. When asked about how the company plans to deal with Aruba during the troubled economic climate, Mr. Bill said, “The right answer for Aruba remains to be seen. Aruba is still an asset where we're looking at our strategic options.” He added, “All refineries are not created equal. Some have much more earnings power capability than others. But that doesn't mean you can't run them very well and cash flow them and that's the trick here.”

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?capId=311679

A fairly recent article.Will be interesting to see how this plays out,as well as who will buy..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 01:10:52 PM
Business Name: UNDERWATER EXPEDITIONS LLCOfficer's
Physical:350  Saint Paul   St,  Dallas,  TX  75201
Officer's Physical: 2210  Twin Oaks   Blvd,  Kemah,  TX  77565
Corporate ID:TX800816593
Filing State:TX

Eagle Syndication Inc

2210 Twin Oaks Blvd
Kemah, TX
77565 2153 Tel: (281) 334-5222

Mitchell Co
2210 Twin Oaks Blvd 
Phone: 281-334-3621
http://www.nwwin.com/kemah.tx/m.htm

BUT -  that phone number is Judith mCnAUGHT

Judith Mcnaught
2525 S Shore Blvd
League City, TX 77573
(281) 334-5222

Search for Natalee Holloway
PO Box 948
Kemah Tx 77565


100 Newest Foundations in America2008-10  205423424 LOUIS E SCHAEFER JR FOUNDATION       LOUIS E SCHAEFER       2210 TWIN OAKS BLVD        KEMAH       TX       77565-2153       Private Grantmaking Foundations
http://www.foundationsearch.com/fs-html/newrf100.asp

Inventors
Schaefer Jr., Louis E. (2210 Twin Oaks Boulevard, Kemah, Texas 77565, US)
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/EP1828563.html

Louis Schaefer
MAIL ADDRESS:
   
      STREET 1:      9302 LAMBRIGHT ROAD
      CITY:         HOUSTON
      STATE:         TX
      ZIP:         77075
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1390560/0001209191-07-025983.txt


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 01:14:02 PM
Business Name:EAGLE SYNDICATION INC
<snip>
Description:Prerecorded Video Tapes (Wholesaling of)
Registered Agent:JUDITH MCHNAUGHT
Filing Number:0121890600
Record Number:10008_0207
FIPS Code:48
Address(es):
2524  Highway 35,  ALVIN,  TX  77511
2210  Twin Oaks   Blvd,  Kemah,  TX  77565
2210  Twin Oaks   Blvd,  Kemah,  TX  77565

Officers/Directors:
Officer/Owner Name:MCNAUGHT,  M  JUDITH
Officer/Owner Name:MCNAUGHT,  M  JUDITH
Officer/Owner Name:MCNAUGHT,  M JUDITH
Associated Business(es):
Business Name:SCHAEFER MARINE HOLDINGS LLCBusiness Name:EAGLE SYNDICATION INC

She's the author of the book!  What'd he do?  Publish his girlfriend's book?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4584.480

Looks like this Eagle Syndication that Schaefer Marine Holdings owns is NO stranger to 'entertainment'.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4584.500


Eagle Syndication Inc
2210 Twin Oaks Blvd
Kemah, TX 77565 2153 Tel: (281) 334-5222
Toll Free: No number available.
Fax: No number available.
/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4584.480


Judith Mcnaught
2525 S Shore Blvd
League City, TX 77573
(281) 334-5222


Eagle Syndication books
Title:     Almost heaven / Judith McNaught Publisher: Simon & Schuster
Title:     Double exposure / Judith McNaught
Title: Every breath you take : a novel / Judith McNaught - Ballantine Books for Eagle Syndication, Inc.
Title: A gift of love / Jude Deveraux, Judith McNaught, Kimberly Cates, Andrea Kane, Judith O’Brien.
Title: A Kingdom of dreams / Judith McNaught
Title:     Night whispers / Judith McNaught
Title:     Miracles / Judith McNaught
Title:     Paradise / Judith McNaught
Title:     Perfect / Judith McNaught
Title:     Remember when / Judith McNaught
Title:     Something wonderful / Judith McNaught
Title:     Until you / Judith McNaught


Double standards / Judith McNaught - Harlequin Temptation
Title: Someone to watch over me / Judith McNaught - Simon & Schuster & Eagle Syndication, Inc.


Eagle Syndication Inc
2210 Twin Oaks Blvd
Kemah, TX 77565 2153
Tel:    (281) 334-5222


Book Inforamtion:
Brief Synopsis:
    Kate Donovan and Mitchell Wyatt spend an idyllic time on a tropical island, but a scandal forces the lovers apart.
Copyrighted By:
    Eagle Syndication, Inc.
http://www.bookshare.org/browse/legacy?id=40796&type=book


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 01:17:27 PM
OK.Do any Monkey's sleep around here? ::MonkeyHaHa:: Time for me to start the pot of coffee.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 01:25:15 PM
Lifesong - for your time line if you don't have these yet, I think you have the ones towards the end though

1985  Superior Offshore Services founded by Louis Schaefer  Jr.
1995  Superior Offshore Services renamed Superior Diving Company
1995 Superior Diving Company acquired the Gulf Diver III, a 165 ft. 4-point DSV
2000 Superior Diving Company developed new construction/fabrication division
2005  Superior Diving Company renamed Superior Offshore International
2005  Superior Offshore International purchases the Superior Endeavour, a 265 ft. DP II saturation diving vessel
2006 (March) Superior Offshore International acquires (2) 4-point DSVs (Gulf Diver IV and VI) and (1) non-4-point USV, (Gulf Diver V.)
2006 (April) Superior Offshore International establishes a long-term charter for the DP II saturation DSV, the Gulmar Falcon
2006 (June) Superior Offshore International acquires (2) new Perry Slingsby Triton-XLS ROV's
2006 (August) Owner, Louis Schaefer Jr., appoints Jim Mermis as president/CEO of Superior Offshore International. Schaefer shifts his position to chairman of the board.
2006 (September) Superior Offshore International awards Holland-based Merwede Shipyards to build the Superior Achiever, a 435 foot DPIII-MSV
2007 Superior Offshore International officially launches its new ROV division
2007 (February) Superior Offshore International upgrades the Gulf Diver V to a 4-point DSV
2007 (February) Superior Offshore International charters the Adams Surveyor, a 228 foot DPII-RSV, from Adams Offshore Ltd. for a period of 12 months.http://tinyurl.com/byxrde

APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million
http://securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/

4/25/07 - Louis Schafer and R. JOSHUA KOCH, JR. were selling their stocks

Schaefer sold or otherwise disposed of over 1.725 million shares of his Superior Offshore stock for proceeds of $25.87 million in the Offering.

Defendant Koch prepared and signed the materially false and misleading Registration Statement.
Koch sold 1.3 million shares of Superior Offshore stock through Schaefer Holdings LLP for
proceeds of $19.5 million in the Offering. During the relevant period, Koch sold an additional
64,667 shares of his Superior Offshore stock for proceeds of over $634,486.15.
Source: Case 6:08-cv-00400
Document 1
Filed 03/25/2008
Page 5 of 24

(http://content.nasdaq.com/reference/200707/mc_070507g.jpg)
JULY 5, 2007 LOUIS SCHAEFFER'S IS AT THE NASDAQ

November 15, 2007
Superior names Persky chairman -Persky replaces Louis Schaefer Jr.

11/20/2007 - NEW
Louis Schaefer and Charles Zamora register Legacy Offshore, LLC; a Louisiana Limited Liability Company

NOVEMBER 2007 LOUIS SCHAEFER SELLS MORE OF HIS STOCKS:
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.84
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR
Sell 94 $8.82
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 62 $8.80
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 187 $8.75
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 125 $8.74
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.72
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 313 $8.71
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 658 $8.70
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 313 $8.69
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.68
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.64
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.60
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.50
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 94 $8.42
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.34
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.23
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 31 $8.22
11/15/07 SCHAEFER LOUIS E JR Sell 62 $8.17

FEBRUARY 1, 2008 Superior is reorganizing & in a cash flow crunch.
http://tinyurl.com/55995b

FEBRUARY 14 - KYLE IS IN USA TRYING TO "STRIKE A DEAL" under the direction of Louis and Tim Terhan. (Tim Tehran being a finacial guy. Louis being a business man looking for what? - MONEY).

FEBRUARY 29 LAWSUIT ANNOUNCED ON SCHAEFFER'S COMPANY BY A LAW FIRM IN LOUISIANA


March 1, 2008 LegallyLex Posted at BFN - about the Persistence leaving and needing more money

APRIL 1, 2008 - SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL INC. NT 10-K, 4/1/2008, 12/31/2007, View this filing in your web browser with section navigation. ...
www.edgar-online.com/brand/CreditRisk/search/?sym=DEEP

ASSET PURCHASE AGREEMENT
DATED AS OF APRIL 3, 2008
BY AND BETWEEN
SUPERIOR OFFSHORE INTERNATIONAL, INC.
AND
LEGACY OFFSHORE, L.L.C.
http://sec.edgar-online.com/superior-offshore-international-inc/8-k-current-report-filing/2008/04/15/Section8.aspx
April 3, 2008 - John Silvetti makes his first Posted at BFN dsurveyor1
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee


APRIL 24 OF ALL OF THE OFFICERS RESIGNED FROM SUPERIOR OFFSHORE COMPANY

APRIL 25 THEY ANNOUNCED FILING A CHAPTER 11 BANKRUPTCY
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080425/laf521.html?.v=2


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 01:26:06 PM
OK.Do any Monkey's sleep around here? ::MonkeyHaHa:: Time for me to start the pot of coffee.... ::MonkeyCool::

Good Morning, Everyone!!

I'm just finishing my first cup of coffee, ktf!  Been up for about an hour working on the timeline, am going to start posting it now - it takes a while to do with formatting and checking for errors.

Great work last night!  On we go...

 ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 28, 2009, 01:29:29 PM
For all who continue to work toward justice for Natalee

(http://bestsmileys.com/cheering/4.gif)  (http://bestsmileys.com/cheering/4.gif)  (http://bestsmileys.com/cheering/4.gif)

Keep it up! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 01:37:48 PM
OK.Do any Monkey's sleep around here? ::MonkeyHaHa:: Time for me to start the pot of coffee.... ::MonkeyCool::

Good Morning, Everyone!!

I'm just finishing my first cup of coffee, ktf!  Been up for about an hour working on the timeline, am going to start posting it now - it takes a while to do with formatting and checking for errors.

Great work last night!  On we go...

 ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::

The pot of coffee is brewing.KTF is getting excited! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 28, 2009, 01:40:07 PM
Good Day Monkeys.....

Here are some Galveston County TX Properties owned by Schaefer some do not pertain to Louis Schaefer....

Click on the Property ID# then on Datasheet
Gives alitttle history

http://www.galvestoncad.org/Appraisal/PublicAccess/PropertySearchResults.aspx


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 01:44:14 PM
Good Day Monkeys.....

Here are some Galveston County TX Properties owned by Schaefer some do not pertain to Louis Schaefer....

Click on the Property ID# then on Datasheet
Gives alitttle history

http://www.galvestoncad.org/Appraisal/PublicAccess/PropertySearchResults.aspx

Didn't work for HotPing!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 01:48:01 PM
Wow, been reading up on what I missed and what a research team !!!! You have peeled the onion back to reveal Schaefer's shell game from the get-go!! As I said, rarely do companies commit to such large endeavors/expenses for totally altruistic reasons. Like Magnolia, I'm not sure I 'get' what the benefit was in the Natalee search except my hinky meter seems to think it was surely to disguise some other intent/goal of that voyage. Or that Aruba wanted the trap found to confirm Natalee's remains truly never would be found, or to provide cover for mappings that might concern some on Aruba with ecological concerns around drilling offshore. This search was also occurring during a period of time that oil and oil futures were beginning to explode economically and South America and the Caribbean being the new frontier for drilling.

I'm just impressed by all you've discovered and share your disdain for Schaefer and friends. He's good at playing the shell game as a serial entrepreneur, I'd compare him to a snake oil salesman post what you've found - investors beware. But when people seek a get rich quick then they often find themselves hooked up with the likes of Schaefer.

I know kermit has said they are ensuring the family sees this, I hope it will be as revealing and enlightening for them, as it has been for all of us. In the past I think we've also seen Tim Miller steer clear of criticizing even Aruba, I don't think he sees that as his role.

Again major kudos to all of you who have worked so diligently to drill down to the realities of these playas in this game.

Applause !!!

this link has some interesting comments at the bottom by "anonymous", not necessarily related to the Persistence search but in looking for that article Klaas and I recall from a few years back linking Oduber to oil and China - I discovered this and just found the comments pretty interesting. They range from comments regarding the boycott, to Russian and Iranian investment in the island, and the oil futures biz. I haven't been to Michelle's site in a long time, some of you may have, so forgive me if you've seen this before.

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2008/07/paulus-web-of-his-pedophile-network.html



Thank you for posting that. very interesting. I had not read that before.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 28, 2009, 01:50:55 PM
Good Day Monkeys.....

Here are some Galveston County TX Properties owned by Schaefer some do not pertain to Louis Schaefer....

Click on the Property ID# then on Datasheet
Gives alitttle history

http://www.galvestoncad.org/Appraisal/PublicAccess/PropertySearchResults.aspx

Didn't work for HotPing!
Sorry...Try this one and look in the left column and click on owner name and put in Schaefer then follow the above directions.....let Me know if it works or not....
 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 01:51:43 PM
89.CW 8 reported that a former female bartender who was hired to answer the phoneswas immediately promoted to a $50,000 accounts payable position.


I think we now know why the X-Wife was so mad! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thank you for posting these, for some reason I can't get into the site to read them.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 28, 2009, 01:52:07 PM
Good Day Monkeys.....

Here are some Galveston County TX Properties owned by Schaefer some do not pertain to Louis Schaefer....

Click on the Property ID# then on Datasheet
Gives alitttle history

http://www.galvestoncad.org/Appraisal/PublicAccess/PropertySearchResults.aspx

Didn't work for HotPing!
Sorry...Try this one and look in the left column and click on owner name and put in Schaefer then follow the above directions.....let Me know if it works or not....
 ::MonkeyWink::
Forgot the link...duh

 ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.galvestoncad.org/Appraisal/PublicAccess/default.aspx?PropertyID=&PropertyOwnerID=&NodeID=11


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 01:58:25 PM
89.CW 8 reported that a former female bartender who was hired to answer the phoneswas immediately promoted to a $50,000 accounts payable position.


I think we now know why the X-Wife was so mad! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thank you for posting these, for some reason I can't get into the site to read them.




Here is the link to the Court document Kermit.All the posts i made are contained within it!

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:YzXYM0VYK8cJ:securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/2008721_r01c_08-00687.pdf+Legacy+offshore+R+joshua+koch&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 02:13:59 PM
89.CW 8 reported that a former female bartender who was hired to answer the phoneswas immediately promoted to a $50,000 accounts payable position.


I think we now know why the X-Wife was so mad! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thank you for posting these, for some reason I can't get into the site to read them.




Here is the link to the Court document Kermit.All the posts i made are contained within it!

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:YzXYM0VYK8cJ:securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/2008721_r01c_08-00687.pdf+Legacy+offshore+R+joshua+koch&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us


Finally, I got it to open. Thank you KFT.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 02:15:01 PM
Good Day Monkeys.....

Here are some Galveston County TX Properties owned by Schaefer some do not pertain to Louis Schaefer....

Click on the Property ID# then on Datasheet
Gives alitttle history

http://www.galvestoncad.org/Appraisal/PublicAccess/PropertySearchResults.aspx

Didn't work for HotPing!
Sorry...Try this one and look in the left column and click on owner name and put in Schaefer then follow the above directions.....let Me know if it works or not....
 ::MonkeyWink::
Forgot the link...duh

 ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.galvestoncad.org/Appraisal/PublicAccess/default.aspx?PropertyID=&PropertyOwnerID=&NodeID=11

Hotping,

I clicked on the property search and put in Schaefer's name, but it said no properties.

Can you pull up what you had and do a screenshot?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 02:21:50 PM
CW 1 found senior management to be "really incompetent" and noted they probably
"couldn't even run a McDonald's.


 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 28, 2009, 02:22:54 PM
Good Day Monkeys.....

Here are some Galveston County TX Properties owned by Schaefer some do not pertain to Louis Schaefer....

Click on the Property ID# then on Datasheet
Gives alitttle history

http://www.galvestoncad.org/Appraisal/PublicAccess/PropertySearchResults.aspx

Didn't work for HotPing!
Sorry...Try this one and look in the left column and click on owner name and put in Schaefer then follow the above directions.....let Me know if it works or not....
 ::MonkeyWink::
Forgot the link...duh

 ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.galvestoncad.org/Appraisal/PublicAccess/default.aspx?PropertyID=&PropertyOwnerID=&NodeID=11

Hotping,

I clicked on the property search and put in Schaefer's name, but it said no properties.

Can you pull up what you had and do a screenshot?


Kermit I have no idea how to do a Screenshot....
When You get to the owner name search Just put in Schaefer as the last name no first name.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 02:26:34 PM
CW 1 found senior management to be "really incompetent" and noted they probably
"couldn't even run a McDonald's.


 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Can't wait for the case to move forward.Very interesting stuff ehh Kermit??Still wanna know if VMS thinks the court document is flawed as well.Guess i'll have to wait for a response! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 02:30:23 PM
Good Day Monkeys.....

Here are some Galveston County TX Properties owned by Schaefer some do not pertain to Louis Schaefer....

Click on the Property ID# then on Datasheet
Gives alitttle history

http://www.galvestoncad.org/Appraisal/PublicAccess/PropertySearchResults.aspx

Didn't work for HotPing!
Sorry...Try this one and look in the left column and click on owner name and put in Schaefer then follow the above directions.....let Me know if it works or not....
 ::MonkeyWink::
Forgot the link...duh

 ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.galvestoncad.org/Appraisal/PublicAccess/default.aspx?PropertyID=&PropertyOwnerID=&NodeID=11

Hotping,

I clicked on the property search and put in Schaefer's name, but it said no properties.

Can you pull up what you had and do a screenshot?


Kermit I have no idea how to do a Screenshot....
When You get to the owner name search Just put in Schaefer as the last name no first name.....

It worked for me HotPing!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 02:31:47 PM
CW 1 found senior management to be "really incompetent" and noted they probably
"couldn't even run a McDonald's.


 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Can't wait for the case to move forward.Very interesting stuff ehh Kermit??Still wanna know if VMS thinks the court document is flawed as well.Guess i'll have to wait for a response! ::MonkeyWink::

Thank you Hotping.
(screenshot) = press on your keyboard the key Prt Scr Sys Rq (should be on the right side of your keyboard at the top) then open up Paint and press edit, click on paste, file and save it.


KFT very, very interesting stuff.
I think I found something. I am going to go and check it and read the rest of this.
bbl



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 02:33:08 PM
CW 1 found senior management to be "really incompetent" and noted they probably
"couldn't even run a McDonald's.


 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Can't wait for the case to move forward.Very interesting stuff ehh Kermit??Still wanna know if VMS thinks the court document is flawed as well.Guess i'll have to wait for a response! ::MonkeyWink::

Thank you Hotping.
(screenshot) = press on your keyboard the key Prt Scr Sys Rq (should be on the right side of your keyboard at the top) then open up Paint and press edit, click on paste, file and save it.


KFT very, very interesting stuff.
I think I found something. I am going to go and check it and read the rest of this.
bbl



Hop along Kermit!Hope it's good... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 02:35:57 PM
WAAAAA I was looking under Property ID, not the other one.
Thank you Hotping, I got it and here is a screen shot of it.

(http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/233/schaeferproperties.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 28, 2009, 02:36:32 PM
Good Day Monkeys.....

Here are some Galveston County TX Properties owned by Schaefer some do not pertain to Louis Schaefer....

Click on the Property ID# then on Datasheet
Gives alitttle history

http://www.galvestoncad.org/Appraisal/PublicAccess/PropertySearchResults.aspx

Didn't work for HotPing!
Sorry...Try this one and look in the left column and click on owner name and put in Schaefer then follow the above directions.....let Me know if it works or not....
 ::MonkeyWink::
Forgot the link...duh

 ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.galvestoncad.org/Appraisal/PublicAccess/default.aspx?PropertyID=&PropertyOwnerID=&NodeID=11

Hotping,

I clicked on the property search and put in Schaefer's name, but it said no properties.

Can you pull up what you had and do a screenshot?


Kermit I have no idea how to do a Screenshot....
When You get to the owner name search Just put in Schaefer as the last name no first name.....

It worked for me HotPing!
Great!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 02:39:07 PM
WAAAAA I was looking under Property ID, not the other one.
Thank you Hotping, I got it and here is a screen shot of it.

(http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/233/schaeferproperties.jpg)

WHOA! - look at the addresses

Eagle Syndication Inc
2210 Twin Oaks Blvd
Kemah, TX
77565 2153 Tel: (281) 334-5222

Mitchell Co
2210 Twin Oaks Blvd 
Phone: 281-334-3621
http://www.nwwin.com/kemah.tx/m.htm

Business Name: UNDERWATER EXPEDITIONS LLCOfficer's
Physical:350  Saint Paul   St,  Dallas,  TX  75201
Officer's Physical: 2210  Twin Oaks   Blvd,  Kemah,  TX  77565
Corporate ID:TX800816593
Filing State:TX


but that phone number is Judith's

Judith Mcnaught
2525 S Shore Blvd
League City, TX 77573
(281) 334-5222









Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 02:40:21 PM
Great! 

GREAT finding that Hotping!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 02:40:57 PM
WAAAAA I was looking under Property ID, not the other one.
Thank you Hotping, I got it and here is a screen shot of it.

(http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/233/schaeferproperties.jpg)

WHOA! - look at the addresses

Eagle Syndication Inc
2210 Twin Oaks Blvd
Kemah, TX
77565 2153 Tel: (281) 334-5222

Mitchell Co
2210 Twin Oaks Blvd 
Phone: 281-334-3621
http://www.nwwin.com/kemah.tx/m.htm

Business Name: UNDERWATER EXPEDITIONS LLCOfficer's
Physical:350  Saint Paul   St,  Dallas,  TX  75201
Officer's Physical: 2210  Twin Oaks   Blvd,  Kemah,  TX  77565
Corporate ID:TX800816593
Filing State:TX


but that phone number is Judith's

Judith Mcnaught
2525 S Shore Blvd
League City, TX 77573
(281) 334-5222









Which # Kermit?The one highlighted in RED?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 28, 2009, 02:44:51 PM
Good Day Monkeys.....

Here are some Galveston County TX Properties owned by Schaefer some do not pertain to Louis Schaefer....

Click on the Property ID# then on Datasheet
Gives alitttle history

http://www.galvestoncad.org/Appraisal/PublicAccess/PropertySearchResults.aspx

Didn't work for HotPing!
Sorry...Try this one and look in the left column and click on owner name and put in Schaefer then follow the above directions.....let Me know if it works or not....
 ::MonkeyWink::
Forgot the link...duh

 ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.galvestoncad.org/Appraisal/PublicAccess/default.aspx?PropertyID=&PropertyOwnerID=&NodeID=11

Hotping,

I clicked on the property search and put in Schaefer's name, but it said no properties.

Can you pull up what you had and do a screenshot?


Kermit I have no idea how to do a Screenshot....
When You get to the owner name search Just put in Schaefer as the last name no first name.....

2 listings under Louis Schaefer Jr. name:

Note the seller's name on this one  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/schaefer1.jpg)


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/schaefer2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 02:45:38 PM

Kermit, I can't get this link to work:

FEBRUARY 1, 2008 Superior is reorganizing & in a cash flow crunch.
http://tinyurl.com/55995b   

Do you have another one?

*Parts 1 & 2 are updated and posted in the timeline thread - and we're only at 2/01/08 starting Part 3. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 28, 2009, 02:45:45 PM
WAAAAA I was looking under Property ID, not the other one.
Thank you Hotping, I got it and here is a screen shot of it.

(http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/233/schaeferproperties.jpg)
Did You notice the other one under Schaefer Holdings and another under Louis Schaefer? The one You did a Screenshot on is a Residential Property and is the one that Judith McNaught sold to Schaefer on 4/30/07...... The other is the Marina Way address and Schaefer bought it on 5/25/2006 from James B Drury III and Deborah a Drury....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 28, 2009, 02:48:09 PM
Good Day Monkeys.....

Here are some Galveston County TX Properties owned by Schaefer some do not pertain to Louis Schaefer....

Click on the Property ID# then on Datasheet
Gives alitttle history

http://www.galvestoncad.org/Appraisal/PublicAccess/PropertySearchResults.aspx

Didn't work for HotPing!
Sorry...Try this one and look in the left column and click on owner name and put in Schaefer then follow the above directions.....let Me know if it works or not....
 ::MonkeyWink::
Forgot the link...duh

 ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.galvestoncad.org/Appraisal/PublicAccess/default.aspx?PropertyID=&PropertyOwnerID=&NodeID=11

Hotping,

I clicked on the property search and put in Schaefer's name, but it said no properties.

Can you pull up what you had and do a screenshot?


Kermit I have no idea how to do a Screenshot....
When You get to the owner name search Just put in Schaefer as the last name no first name.....

2 listing2 under Louis Schaefer Jr. name:

Note the seller's name on this one  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/schaefer1.jpg)


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/schaefer2.jpg)
Thanks Klass...There is one more under Schaefer Holdings....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 02:48:18 PM


Schaefer purchases $3.5m home (http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=5569c50e755f68bbc8545f57966c90b3)

I think that's this house.  Probably what vms was referring to...



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 02:49:17 PM
Go to the Google map,put in the 2210 address  and check that house out.VERY BIG...All on the dime of Stockholders left holding a bankrupt company..What a nice guy Schaefer is!!!NOTTTT...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 28, 2009, 02:57:03 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/schaeferHolding.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 28, 2009, 02:58:39 PM
Thanks Klaas!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 28, 2009, 02:59:42 PM


Schaefer purchases $3.5m home (http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=5569c50e755f68bbc8545f57966c90b3)

I think that's this house.  Probably what vms was referring to...


Right VMS was probably talking about this house....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 28, 2009, 03:02:44 PM


Schaefer purchases $3.5m home (http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=5569c50e755f68bbc8545f57966c90b3)

I think that's this house.  Probably what vms was referring to...



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/twinoaks.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 03:06:32 PM

Not much of a yard...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 03:10:45 PM

Not much of a yard...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Must say.Nice house!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 03:22:32 PM


Schaefer purchases $3.5m home (http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=5569c50e755f68bbc8545f57966c90b3)

I think that's this house.  Probably what vms was referring to...



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/twinoaks.jpg)

Hey Klaas..You see the lil' Frog hopping around the backyard?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 03:52:19 PM


Updated Timeline is posted.


Part 1 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg696481#msg696481) begins with 1985

Part 2 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg696499#msg696499) begins on 12/29/07

Part 3 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg696567#msg696567) begins on 02/01/08

Part 4 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg696587#msg696587) begins on 04/04/08


Klaas or one of theAmazingMods - could you remove the previous revision from the thread?  TIA!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 04:06:53 PM

prior to 08/2005 – 01/2008NEW
According to CW 3, CW 6, and CW 8  (witnesses in the  Class Action Lawsuit (http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:YzXYM0VYK8cJ:securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/2008721_r01c_08-00687.pdf+Legacy+offshore+R+joshua+koch&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us)):  “from the time the Company was located in Belle Chasse, Lousiana until after its move to Lafayette, Louisiana following Hurricane Katrina in August 2005, the Company received daily calls from vendors seeking payment for unpaid bills. CW 8 reported that this nonpayment continued when the Company relocated to Lafayette as it failed to give vendors the Company's forwarding address. CW 8 attributed this nonpayment to disorganization and misspending . CW 6 and CW 3, a former employee who worked in accounts payable during the Class Period, also noted that the Company's failure to pay its bills- including those to boat operators and equipment suppliers - continued beyond the IPO into early 2008.”


I'm starting to wonder if Schaefer was even paying all of Silvetti's invoices...
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 04:07:35 PM
Capslockwizard (Comment #73) on December 24th, 2007 @ 2:38 am: 
“To Katablog, maybe you are so stupid that you do not se that I am trying to help. you are so absorb in your little peabean that you have no clue about the case.. First you need to be there to talk and see thing for your self… behinde that screen you can rumble and rumble and noting will get done… any Ideas overlook should be looked at… and this is what I am Doing now. I will go do someting about it…What are you going to do someting..I flow down and I am here  … researching what not even a private investigater did over looked.”

So CapsLockwizard fle down there?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 28, 2009, 04:14:58 PM
Just wanted to drop by and see if there is any news, either from Jug, Beth, Dave or anyone else pertinent to the case.  I want to wave to Klaas, Red, Mrs. Red, NoneSuche, San, CBB and Anna and all the other great monkeys.

Perhaps I can spend a bit more time here in the near future.  I am getting tired of working of not being able to say 'no' to every project that comes along.    Does Kermit still come here?  If so, has our favorite frog shared anything of late?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 28, 2009, 04:22:05 PM
Tylergal,

I miss you every day that I post.  Read back a couple of pages and see the latest.  Most of it goes over my head except for the Class Action Lawsuit against those who conducted the deep sea search for Natalee.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 28, 2009, 04:23:37 PM


Updated Timeline is posted.


Part 1 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg696481#msg696481) begins with 1985

Part 2 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg696499#msg696499) begins on 12/29/07

Part 3 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg696567#msg696567) begins on 02/01/08

Part 4 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg696587#msg696587) begins on 04/04/08


Klaas or one of theAmazingMods - could you remove the previous revision from the thread?  TIA!


This is a good place to catch up on all the latest, Tylergal.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 28, 2009, 05:04:32 PM


Schaefer purchases $3.5m home (http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=5569c50e755f68bbc8545f57966c90b3)

I think that's this house.  Probably what vms was referring to...



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/twinoaks.jpg)

Hey Klaas..You see the lil' Frog hopping around the backyard?

Why, yes I do!!

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/housefrog.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 28, 2009, 05:05:14 PM
Just wanted to drop by and see if there is any news, either from Jug, Beth, Dave or anyone else pertinent to the case.  I want to wave to Klaas, Red, Mrs. Red, NoneSuche, San, CBB and Anna and all the other great monkeys.

Perhaps I can spend a bit more time here in the near future.  I am getting tired of working of not being able to say 'no' to every project that comes along.    Does Kermit still come here?  If so, has our favorite frog shared anything of late?

Tylergal - great to see you! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 05:10:57 PM
Timeline is fabulous LifeSong.So many people asking for donations when The search was over.Where is the Money??????? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 28, 2009, 05:16:57 PM


Updated Timeline is posted.


Part 1 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg696481#msg696481) begins with 1985

Part 2 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg696499#msg696499) begins on 12/29/07

Part 3 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg696567#msg696567) begins on 02/01/08

Part 4 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg696587#msg696587) begins on 04/04/08


Klaas or one of theAmazingMods - could you remove the previous revision from the thread?  TIA!

Wow! Great work Lifesong!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 05:17:25 PM


Schaefer purchases $3.5m home (http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=5569c50e755f68bbc8545f57966c90b3)

I think that's this house.  Probably what vms was referring to...



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/twinoaks.jpg)

Hey Klaas..You see the lil' Frog hopping around the backyard?

Why, yes I do!!

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/housefrog.gif)

Schaefer better watch out.... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 28, 2009, 05:22:29 PM
http://www.zillow.com/homes/map/2210-TWIN-OAKS-BLVD,-KEMAH,-TX-77565_rb/


Zillow indicates that the house is 11,601 sq. ft.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: San on February 28, 2009, 05:23:25 PM
Just wanted to drop by and see if there is any news, either from Jug, Beth, Dave or anyone else pertinent to the case.  I want to wave to Klaas, Red, Mrs. Red, NoneSuche, San, CBB and Anna and all the other great monkeys.

Perhaps I can spend a bit more time here in the near future.  I am getting tired of working of not being able to say 'no' to every project that comes along.    Does Kermit still come here?  If so, has our favorite frog shared anything of late?

It's so good to see you Tyler.  I'm looking forward to seeing you post more and jump right in.

Yes, Kermit is here and the discussions have been intersting lately especially the topic of Kyle and the Persistence search for Natalee or should we call it the scam.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 05:54:51 PM
That's flawed research on Judith McNaught. I doubt she ever met Louis Schaefer.

Judith McNaught and Eagle Syndication are only connected to him by means of a real estate transaction. And to call her his girlfriend... :roll:


Just wanted to say thanks again to vms for clearing that up. 

As I've never been a fan of the romance novel genre, I'd never heard of this woman.  Historical non-fiction/fiction is where its at for me!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 05:58:43 PM


Schaefer purchases $3.5m home (http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=5569c50e755f68bbc8545f57966c90b3)

I think that's this house.  Probably what vms was referring to...



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/twinoaks.jpg)

Hey Klaas..You see the lil' Frog hopping around the backyard?

Why, yes I do!!

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/housefrog.gif)

Schaefer better watch out.... ::MonkeyDance::

Heh heh heh! 

Klaas, that one's my favorite! I'm switching the second picture for the first - it'll be in the next update!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 28, 2009, 06:03:27 PM
That's flawed research on Judith McNaught. I doubt she ever met Louis Schaefer.

Judith McNaught and Eagle Syndication are only connected to him by means of a real estate transaction. And to call her his girlfriend... :roll:


Just wanted to say thanks again to vms for clearing that up. 

As I've never been a fan of the romance novel genre, I'd never heard of this woman.  Historical non-fiction/fiction is where its at for me!   ::MonkeyCool::



It is so nice of vms to follow along and let us know when monkey research is flawed.
I am sure she would have enlightened us if anything else had been wrong.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 06:03:38 PM

Thanks Puzzler & Ktf, but I just can't take credit for it - it is truly everybody's work - I'm just copy-pasting and formatting.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: caesu on February 28, 2009, 06:07:58 PM
in off-topic unrelated Dutch news:

opinion polling shows that Wilders PVV is now the largest party of The Netherlands for the first time.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2763.msg696702#new

however it is expected that with an election traditional parties will take over the stances of the PVV and voters will return to the traditional parties.

already this can be seen as both CDA (christian-democrats, governing party) and SP (socialist party) have taken over Brinkman PVV stances on Aruba/Antilles.
only in more diplomatic terms.

and all political parties protested the banning of Wilders from entering the UK strongly.

Wilders is being prosecuted for his anti-islam allegedly hate-speech. this caused him to surge in the opinion polls.

there are two possibilities i can think of:

1. it gives the CDA government a trick card they can play at the right time.
in case of an (early) election justice-minister Hirsch Ballin CDA could order termination of the prosecution.

2. Wilders is expected to be aquitted anyway.
when this happens he can't say anymore that he is a martyr of free speech.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 28, 2009, 06:08:23 PM

Thanks Puzzler & Ktf, but I just can't take credit for it - it is truly everybody's work - I'm just copy-pasting and formatting.



I disagree with you, Lifesong.
You have put it together in a way that is interesting to follow.
It reminds me of the movie All the President's Men
I can see it unfolding.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 28, 2009, 06:09:38 PM
Heyyyy Tylerrrrrrr  ::cartwheel:: Hi lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 06:12:43 PM

Thanks Puzzler & Ktf, but I just can't take credit for it - it is truly everybody's work - I'm just copy-pasting and formatting.



I disagree with you, Lifesong.
You have put it together in a way that is interesting to follow.
It reminds me of the movie All the President's Men
I can see it unfolding.


It is interesting.I find the timing of the Peter R Devries tapes,along with what was occuring with the cage/trap very interesting.May be a coincidence but that timing is interesting to say the least!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 06:26:51 PM


Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com):  “He [John Silvetti] did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion.”


I imagine you wouldn't meet too many people if you're onboard your ship all the time.  Seems to me you'd kind of have to go out of your way to make those kinds of contacts, but Idk.  Sure would love to know who he met, Kyle.

I really am starting to think the reason Kyle lost $15k is because Schaefer didn't pay Silvetti and Silvetti couldn't pay Kyle, etc.  That's why the drive for donations at the end of the search by everyone connected to Silvetti through TE.  Tim Miller even went on Greta and asked for donations - at one point in the interview he even referred to Schaefer and said "bless his heart".  I think they were all told that Schaefer's business had tanked (through no fault of his own), he'd lost a fortune and couldn't pay the bills. 

I'm also curious if Schaefer was there for the 12/30 meeting and just isn't in the pictures - questionable though.  Hodges states "he [Schaefer] planned on returning after Christmas as did I."  Then on 12/29 when Hodges returns, there's no mention of Schaefer.  Was he there or not? 

We need a picture of Mermis - maybe he caught a ride over from Venezuela to stand in for Schaefer.... ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyHaHa::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 06:32:19 PM
Just wanted to drop by and see if there is any news, either from Jug, Beth, Dave or anyone else pertinent to the case.  I want to wave to Klaas, Red, Mrs. Red, NoneSuche, San, CBB and Anna and all the other great monkeys.

Perhaps I can spend a bit more time here in the near future.  I am getting tired of working of not being able to say 'no' to every project that comes along.    Does Kermit still come here?  If so, has our favorite frog shared anything of late?

Hello Hello glad to see you back.
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 06:36:38 PM

Kermit, I can't get this link to work:

FEBRUARY 1, 2008 Superior is reorganizing & in a cash flow crunch.
http://tinyurl.com/55995b   

Do you have another one?

*Parts 1 & 2 are updated and posted in the timeline thread - and we're only at 2/01/08 starting Part 3. 
Try this one
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-193405439.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 06:37:36 PM
Brazil
Brazil’s state-owned company
Petrobras is so optimistic that there is oil
and gas below the Colombian portion of the
Caribbean sea that it plans to expand its
operations there and regain rights on an
area it relinquished to the government earlier
this year, according to a MarketWatch
news report. Dirceu Abrahao, the chief
executive of Petrobras’ Colombian unit,
told Dow Jones Newswires in an interview
that the company would participate in the
auction of ten oil blocks scheduled in
December, MarketWatch said. The sale
will include the Tayrona block, which
Petrobras and its partners had to hand back
to the government in February under terms
of their original exploration contract. In
May 2004, Petrobras teamed up with U.S.
major ExxonMobil and Colombia’s stateowned
company Ecopetrol to explore
Tayrona, an area of more than 4.4 million
hectares off Colombia’s northern coast in
the Caribbean waters. Armando Zamora,
the head of the Colombian hydrocarbonlicensing
agency, or ANH, in July identified
at least eight companies interested in
participating in the auction, including
Norway’s Statoil, Italy’s Eni and Russian
gas giant Gazprom. Total investment in the
ten blocks could reach $500 million,
according to Zamora.

http://www.offshoresource.com/pdf/os_nov_06.pdf



This is an article from 2006 but found it interesting!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 06:44:39 PM
LifeSong.Your Photo of Mermis.... ::MonkeyCool::

http://investor.shareholder.com/ceosignature/webcast.cfm?mediaid=26379&k=FBBFF958840BCB922703D465D331FA2D


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 28, 2009, 06:45:38 PM
Howdy, Tyler!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 06:45:46 PM
I noticed something we had researched before following John Silvetti from the case documents that KFT posted. I noticed this in the case filing:

The defendants in the lawsuit are talking about Superior Offshore:
"the Company had only two or three very small customers and a single large customer,
British Petroleum ("BP")



Judge approves sale of most Torch Offshore vessels

09.07.05
The judge said Torch Offshore could sell much of its assets to Houston-based Cal Dive and Epic Divers Incorporated for US$86.5 million dollars
http://www.tugspotters.com/verslag/archief/int.juli.2005.htm
 
---------

Activity Summary

Over the last few years we continued to evolve the Helix model by completing a variety of transactions and events that have had, and we believe will continue to have, significant impacts on our results of operations and financial condition. In 2005, we substantially increased the size of our Shelf Contracting fleet and deepwater pipelay fleet through the acquisition of assets from Torch Offshore, Inc. and Acergy US Inc. for a combined purchase price of $210.2 million. We also acquired a significant mature property package on the Gulf of Mexico OCS from Murphy Oil Corporation for $163.5 million cash and assumption of abandonment liability of $32 million. Finally, we established our Reservoir and Well Technology Services group through the acquisition of Helix Energy Limited for $32.7 million and the assumption of $7.5 million of liabilities. In 2006, we acquired Remington, an exploration, development and production company, for approximately $1.4 billion in cash and stock and the assumption of $358.4 million of liabilities. We changed our name from Cal Dive International, Inc. to Helix Energy Solutions Group, Inc., leaving the “Cal Dive” name in our Shelf Contracting subsidiary, and in December 2006 completed a carve-out initial public offering of that company, selling a 26.5% stake and receiving pre-tax net proceeds of $264.4 million from Cal Dive and a pre-tax dividend of $200 million from additional borrowings under the Cal Dive revolving credit facility
www.dailystocks.com/forum/showtopic.php?tid/544/


WE KNOW JOHN SILVETTI WANTS TO SET UP AN OFFICE IN ARUBA TO DO BUSINESS WITH SOUTH AMERICA

WE HAVE A CONNECTION BETWEEN JOHN'S COMPANY AND TORCH OFF SHORE AND A SHIP CALLED MIDNIGHT ARROW


Sonsub used a complete marine installation offshore spread consisting of its 100 hp Scorpion 24 ROV system, the Midnight Arrow, new build ROV vessel from Torch and surface and acoustic positioning services from J.D. Silvetti. Sonsub also provided cable maintenance services. FiberWeb is a project to provide high-bandwidth communication capability to fixed platforms in the Gulf
http://www.offshore-mag.com/display_article/83853/120/ARTCL/none/none/2/Subsea/Surface-Systems/


WE KNOW TORCH OFFSHORE IS/WAS A COMPANY THAT IS INVOLVED IN OFFSHORE PIPELINE INSTALLATION
 

Established in 1978, Torch Offshore, Inc., currently operates a fleet of nine vessels engaged in offshore pipeline installation and subsea construction for the oil and gas industry. Torch intends to expand beyond its established shallow water niche market in order to serve the industry's growing needs in the deeper waters of the Gulf of Mexico.
http://www.allbusiness.com/transportation/pipeline-transportation/6158384-1.html


Sonsub recently announced it has completed work on PetroCom's FiberWeb system in the Gulf of Mexico. Sonsub worked on about 30 pipeline crossings for the project in water depths up to 700-ft. The company installed concrete mattresses to protect the fiber optic cable crossings over pipelines. The company also performed pipeline location and cable inspection for the project.

 Sonsub used a complete marine installation offshore spread consisting of its 100 hp Scorpion 24 ROV system, the Midnight Arrow, new build ROV vessel from Torch and surface and acoustic positioning services from J.D. Silvetti. Sonsub also provided cable maintenance services. FiberWeb is a project to provide high-bandwidth communication capability to fixed platforms in the Gulf. BP partners with CiDRA

In an unrelated announcement, BP has partnered with CiDRA Corp. for the provision of consulting services to integrate fiber optics into deepwater and other developments.

The goal is to undertake the development of new fiber optic products, enhance the capabilities of existing technologies, and integrate multiple, optical technologies for specific applications. Under the agreement, CiDRA will also provide fiber optic monitoring systems. Paul Martins, BP's Head of Well Performance Worldwide, said he sees CiDRA as a leader in a technology that will play a key strategic role in future field developments. He said the partnership was a starting point for routinely integrating fiber optics into well construction.
http://www.offshore-mag.com/display_article/83853/120/ARTCL/none/none/2/Subsea/Surface-Systems/




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 28, 2009, 06:49:12 PM
It's so good to see all of you.  That was a lot to digest.  I am not sure I know all the minutia but it seems some people were in this to feather their nest and others knew where the nests were and were plucking the birds from the nests while we were all focused on other, more important things.

I always wondered why, after a huge pretense of groveling for funds, would they tuck tail and return, unless someone got the funds and made the contacts they were after all along and did not need the paltry Monkey Money. 

 An expedition like that requires big bucks and those big bucks should have been either forthcoming or in the kitty before departing for Aruba.  There are plenty of money people who would have given that amount of money.  If someone had given me the rolodex with the names, I could have gotten the money for this.  I am sure Beth could have too.  John Q Kelly knows more money people and where their skeletons are hidden than most. 
He too could have made a few calls for funding. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on February 28, 2009, 06:50:25 PM
89.CW 8 reported that a former female bartender who was hired to answer the phoneswas immediately promoted to a $50,000 accounts payable position.


I think we now know why the X-Wife was so mad! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thank you for posting these, for some reason I can't get into the site to read them.




Here is the link to the Court document Kermit.All the posts i made are contained within it!

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:YzXYM0VYK8cJ:securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/2008721_r01c_08-00687.pdf+Legacy+offshore+R+joshua+koch&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us


I can't say I've read past the first few pages but if you note, section 4 tells much of the story as to why Aruba and the Caribbean, as well as South America became so important.  Furthermore, what better way to gain visibility and/or insider influence with powers-that-be in Aruba than to attach to the search for Natalee Holloway?

4. Plaintiffs allege that defendants each failed to conduct an adequate due diligence investigation into the Company prior to the IPO, and they also each failed to reveal, at that time of the IPO, that the Company's core business was not performing according to its stated plan, that its core market in the Gulf of Mexico was rapidly declining, and that defendants' actual undisclosed plan at the time ofthe IPO was to use the IPO funds raised to immediately transform and reorganize the Company, and to enter into new, untested markets such as deepwater and international operations - areas in which defendants had no record of success or meaningful experience and which required vastly different skills and greater expenditures than the Company's core business.

Additionally, in section 11......

11. (b) The Company already had an undisclosed plan to abandon the dwindling Gulf of Mexico work and "transform" the Company into an international and deepwater company - industries for which Superior Offshore lacked the necessary experience and assets.

Then in Section 13.........then mention of Shaefer's sons take as well as family "expenses"
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on February 28, 2009, 06:52:00 PM
Hi Tyerlgal it's wonderful to see you back posting !!!!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 06:59:19 PM


Updated Timeline is posted.


Part 1 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg696481#msg696481) begins with 1985

Part 2 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg696499#msg696499) begins on 12/29/07

Part 3 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg696567#msg696567) begins on 02/01/08

Part 4 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg696587#msg696587) begins on 04/04/08


Klaas or one of theAmazingMods - could you remove the previous revision from the thread?  TIA!

Lifesong, this is unbelievable and so well put together.  GREAT, GREAT, GREAT JOB!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on February 28, 2009, 07:03:37 PM
Yes it is, Lifesong really does deserve many kudos, that was a large document to benchmark and create with the details that were inclusive. GREAT job !!


Kermit, did you see some of the snarky monkeys across the webpond think I'm "green" with you, seems I 'reappeared' to back you up.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: I guess they need something to kvetch about.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 07:04:23 PM

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/housefrog.gif)


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
makes me hungry now.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 07:06:03 PM
Yes it is, Lifesong really does deserve many kudos, that was a large document to benchmark and create with the details that were inclusive. GREAT job !!


Kermit, did you see some of the snarky monkeys across the webpond think I'm "green" with you, seems I 'reappeared' to back you up.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: I guess they need something to kvetch about.

Oh really?
Isn't it dye their hair day?
 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 07:07:39 PM

Not much of a yard...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

And right on top of your neighbor.
 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on February 28, 2009, 07:08:25 PM
Yes it is, Lifesong really does deserve many kudos, that was a large document to benchmark and create with the details that were inclusive. GREAT job !!


Kermit, did you see some of the snarky monkeys across the webpond think I'm "green" with you, seems I 'reappeared' to back you up.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: I guess they need something to kvetch about.

Oh really?
Isn't it dye their hair day?
 



 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 07:10:36 PM
Brazil
Brazil’s state-owned company
Petrobras is so optimistic that there is oil
and gas below the Colombian portion of the
Caribbean sea that it plans to expand its
operations there and regain rights on an
area it relinquished to the government earlier
this year, according to a MarketWatch
news report. Dirceu Abrahao, the chief
executive of Petrobras’ Colombian unit,
told Dow Jones Newswires in an interview
that the company would participate in the
auction of ten oil blocks scheduled in
December, MarketWatch said. The sale
will include the Tayrona block, which
Petrobras and its partners had to hand back
to the government in February under terms
of their original exploration contract. In
May 2004, Petrobras teamed up with U.S.
major ExxonMobil and Colombia’s stateowned
company Ecopetrol to explore
Tayrona, an area of more than 4.4 million
hectares off Colombia’s northern coast in
the Caribbean waters. Armando Zamora,
the head of the Colombian hydrocarbonlicensing
agency, or ANH, in July identified
at least eight companies interested in
participating in the auction, including
Norway’s Statoil, Italy’s Eni and Russian
gas giant Gazprom. Total investment in the
ten blocks could reach $500 million,
according to Zamora.

http://www.offshoresource.com/pdf/os_nov_06.pdf



This is an article from 2006 but found it interesting!

* Mapping for oil in Aruba
* Petrobras wanted to buy Valero refinery
* Do business with South America



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 07:14:04 PM
Yes it is, Lifesong really does deserve many kudos, that was a large document to benchmark and create with the details that were inclusive. GREAT job !!


Kermit, did you see some of the snarky monkeys across the webpond think I'm "green" with you, seems I 'reappeared' to back you up.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: I guess they need something to kvetch about.

No matter. I'm glad you showed up.

But it was KTF and Lifesong, and Hotping and bc??? cajun miracle oh darn I forgot the other nic, and bill and San and Klassend and whole bunch of monkeys that have made the inroads, not moi.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2009, 07:15:58 PM
Capslockwizard (Comment #73) on December 24th, 2007 @ 2:38 am: 
“To Katablog, maybe you are so stupid that you do not se that I am trying to help. you are so absorb in your little peabean that you have no clue about the case.. First you need to be there to talk and see thing for your self… behinde that screen you can rumble and rumble and noting will get done… any Ideas overlook should be looked at… and this is what I am Doing now. I will go do someting about it…What are you going to do someting..I flow down and I am here  … researching what not even a private investigater did over looked.”

So CapsLockwizard fle down there?

now add that to what I told ya before......remember.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: wreck on February 28, 2009, 07:16:09 PM
It is just so pointlessly shameful. If the Persistence would have just been up front and said: We are going to be mapping the ocean floor in that region and we would be honored to simultaneously search for Natalee while we are there. It would have been so greatly appreciated and noble!
They could have also handled it this way -- searched for Natalee under the guise of straight philanthropy. IF they indeed found her -- simply say: we accomplished our mission and now (while we are already here) we are going to try and pay for the trip by doing some surveying. They would still be "heroes" under either scenario!

Great to see you Tylergal!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on February 28, 2009, 07:18:09 PM
Yes it is, Lifesong really does deserve many kudos, that was a large document to benchmark and create with the details that were inclusive. GREAT job !!


Kermit, did you see some of the snarky monkeys across the webpond think I'm "green" with you, seems I 'reappeared' to back you up.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: I guess they need something to kvetch about.

No matter. I'm glad you showed up.

But it was KTF and Lifesong, and Hotping and bc??? cajun miracle oh darn I forgot the other nic, and bill and San and Klassend and whole bunch of monkeys that have made the inroads, not moi.





I quite agree!!

 I don't think anyone could take more slings and arrows than Klaas does from the dark sides, you have endured many........I just found it so ridiculous that they would see this as yet one more conspiracy of effort. I think the last time you and I emailed it was over two years ago?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 07:19:10 PM
Capslockwizard (Comment #73) on December 24th, 2007 @ 2:38 am: 
“To Katablog, maybe you are so stupid that you do not se that I am trying to help. you are so absorb in your little peabean that you have no clue about the case.. First you need to be there to talk and see thing for your self… behinde that screen you can rumble and rumble and noting will get done… any Ideas overlook should be looked at… and this is what I am Doing now. I will go do someting about it…What are you going to do someting..I flow down and I am here  … researching what not even a private investigater did over looked.”

So CapsLockwizard fle down there?

now add that to what I told ya before......remember.....


Maybe my lightbulb will go off in a minute or two.My brain is going in 20 different directions.. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 07:21:38 PM

Kermit, I can't get this link to work:

FEBRUARY 1, 2008 Superior is reorganizing & in a cash flow crunch.
http://tinyurl.com/55995b   

Do you have another one?

*Parts 1 & 2 are updated and posted in the timeline thread - and we're only at 2/01/08 starting Part 3. 
Try this one
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-193405439.html

Yep - got it.

Thanks, Kermie!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 07:23:20 PM
Yes it is, Lifesong really does deserve many kudos, that was a large document to benchmark and create with the details that were inclusive. GREAT job !!


Kermit, did you see some of the snarky monkeys across the webpond think I'm "green" with you, seems I 'reappeared' to back you up.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: I guess they need something to kvetch about.

No matter. I'm glad you showed up.

But it was KTF and Lifesong, and Hotping and bc??? cajun miracle oh darn I forgot the other nic, and bill and San and Klassend and whole bunch of monkeys that have made the inroads, not moi.





I quite agree!!

 I don't think anyone could take more slings and arrows than Klaas does from the dark sides, you have endured many........I just found it so ridiculous that they would see this as yet one more conspiracy of effort. I think the last time you and I emailed it was over two years ago?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


The whole CapsLockWizard thing just astounds me.After reading CapsLockWizards posts,as well as Lifesongs timeline.How can you uphold that??How can you uphold the Search?It's beyond me..Those that post on behalf of the Persistence search are either participants in the cover up,work for,or are related to people involved!JMOO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on February 28, 2009, 07:27:59 PM
Hi Monks.. juss wanted to drop by and say hello and let ya all know I'm still out here and follow when I can.

I guess I never thought that the Persistence endeavor could have been strictly based on the nominal contributions made by the few of us that are still left. As we learned from the beginning, this was gonna take over 1 million and there are only so many people left willing to donate to this cause. So, some could have come from corporate donations and some from people like us, but I always felt that the bulk had to be "in house". Shaeffer admits he put up most of the money.

As I have been reading along, something struck me and I really don't know if it has anything at all to do with this, but some may recall that there was a woman that fled to Aruba in a monetary shell game involving a company named Capital??? something or other.

Her partners were arrested in the scheme and this lady had never been found if I recall correctly. This scheme involved about 5.3 billion and we talked about it at the time. This (IIRC) was the summer before the Persistence made it's voyage to Aruba.

Someone may want to see if that company and the scheme are tied to Shaeffer, Slivetti, and the lot of derelicts masquerading as victim's rights advocates.

The article is in our archives somewhere, along with the names of the company, the players involved, and the entire scheme itself.

Every monetary scheme such, as the one Shaeffer has attempted, needs a financial front - I'm not saying that this company is it, but it has ties to Aruba and could be the lynch pin you all need.

Take care and see you all again soon.
Bump

Any Ideas on what article Rob is talking about?   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on February 28, 2009, 07:30:42 PM
KTF, after reading more of the allegations in the lawsuit it may be a miracle that the Persistence found anything at all, much less that trap! But I think it's abundantly clear now that Shaefer's primary goal throughout was to build a relationship with Aruba so that muddies the waters from start to finish !


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 07:30:51 PM
LifeSong.Your Photo of Mermis.... ::MonkeyCool::

http://investor.shareholder.com/ceosignature/webcast.cfm?mediaid=26379&k=FBBFF958840BCB922703D465D331FA2D

Thanks, Ktf!  Not exactly a looker, is he?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on February 28, 2009, 07:35:52 PM
LifeSong.Your Photo of Mermis.... ::MonkeyCool::

http://investor.shareholder.com/ceosignature/webcast.cfm?mediaid=26379&k=FBBFF958840BCB922703D465D331FA2D

Thanks, Ktf!  Not exactly a looker, is he?



 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 28, 2009, 07:37:54 PM
Capslockwizard (Comment #73) on December 24th, 2007 @ 2:38 am: 
“To Katablog, maybe you are so stupid that you do not se that I am trying to help. you are so absorb in your little peabean that you have no clue about the case.. First you need to be there to talk and see thing for your self… behinde that screen you can rumble and rumble and noting will get done… any Ideas overlook should be looked at… and this is what I am Doing now. I will go do someting about it…What are you going to do someting..I flow down and I am here  … researching what not even a private investigater did over looked.”

So CapsLockwizard fle down there?

now add that to what I told ya before......remember.....


Maybe my lightbulb will go off in a minute or two.My brain is going in 20 different directions.. ::MonkeyHaHa::

If I remember correctly it had to do with "dogs" and being in Georgia.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 07:38:13 PM
KTF, after reading more of the allegations in the lawsuit it may be a miracle that the Persistence found anything at all, much less that trap! But I think it's abundantly clear now that Shaefer's primary goal throughout was to build a relationship with Aruba so that muddies the waters from start to finish !


For me it's mind-boggling.How could you not have the proper protocal set up well in advance of the trip.FBI should have been on board everyday.The only reason you don't have the proper authorities on board is because you are down there for nefarious reasons...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 07:38:51 PM
Brazil
Brazil’s state-owned company
Petrobras is so optimistic that there is oil
and gas below the Colombian portion of the
Caribbean sea that it plans to expand its
operations there and regain rights on an
area it relinquished to the government earlier
this year, according to a MarketWatch
news report. Dirceu Abrahao, the chief
executive of Petrobras’ Colombian unit,
told Dow Jones Newswires in an interview
that the company would participate in the
auction of ten oil blocks scheduled in
December, MarketWatch said. The sale
will include the Tayrona block, which
Petrobras and its partners had to hand back
to the government in February under terms
of their original exploration contract. In
May 2004, Petrobras teamed up with U.S.
major ExxonMobil and Colombia’s stateowned
company Ecopetrol to explore
Tayrona, an area of more than 4.4 million
hectares off Colombia’s northern coast in
the Caribbean waters. Armando Zamora,
the head of the Colombian hydrocarbonlicensing
agency, or ANH, in July identified
at least eight companies interested in
participating in the auction, including
Norway’s Statoil, Italy’s Eni and Russian
gas giant Gazprom. Total investment in the
ten blocks could reach $500 million,
according to Zamora.

http://www.offshoresource.com/pdf/os_nov_06.pdf



This is an article from 2006 but found it interesting!

Zamora...where have I seen that name before?

Oh yeah.....

11/20/2007 - NEW
Louis Schaefer and Charles Zamora register Legacy Offshore, LLC (http://www.legacyoffshore.com); a Louisiana Limited Liability Company (http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin?rqstyp=crpdtlC&rqsdta=36593498K)


Idk, maybe Zamora is Venezuelan for Smith.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 07:42:28 PM
Capslockwizard (Comment #73) on December 24th, 2007 @ 2:38 am: 
“To Katablog, maybe you are so stupid that you do not se that I am trying to help. you are so absorb in your little peabean that you have no clue about the case.. First you need to be there to talk and see thing for your self… behinde that screen you can rumble and rumble and noting will get done… any Ideas overlook should be looked at… and this is what I am Doing now. I will go do someting about it…What are you going to do someting..I flow down and I am here  … researching what not even a private investigater did over looked.”

So CapsLockwizard fle down there?

now add that to what I told ya before......remember.....


Maybe my lightbulb will go off in a minute or two.My brain is going in 20 different directions.. ::MonkeyHaHa::

If I remember correctly it had to do with "dogs" and being in Georgia.

Thanx BM..


Vernon Vrolijk
Regional Sales Representative
Aruba Tourism Authority
Marietta Ga 30064

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 07:43:37 PM
Brazil
Brazil’s state-owned company
Petrobras is so optimistic that there is oil
and gas below the Colombian portion of the
Caribbean sea that it plans to expand its
operations there and regain rights on an
area it relinquished to the government earlier
this year, according to a MarketWatch
news report. Dirceu Abrahao, the chief
executive of Petrobras’ Colombian unit,
told Dow Jones Newswires in an interview
that the company would participate in the
auction of ten oil blocks scheduled in
December, MarketWatch said. The sale
will include the Tayrona block, which
Petrobras and its partners had to hand back
to the government in February under terms
of their original exploration contract. In
May 2004, Petrobras teamed up with U.S.
major ExxonMobil and Colombia’s stateowned
company Ecopetrol to explore
Tayrona, an area of more than 4.4 million
hectares off Colombia’s northern coast in
the Caribbean waters. Armando Zamora,
the head of the Colombian hydrocarbonlicensing
agency, or ANH, in July identified
at least eight companies interested in
participating in the auction, including
Norway’s Statoil, Italy’s Eni and Russian
gas giant Gazprom. Total investment in the
ten blocks could reach $500 million,
according to Zamora.

http://www.offshoresource.com/pdf/os_nov_06.pdf



This is an article from 2006 but found it interesting!

Zamora...where have I seen that name before?

Oh yeah.....

11/20/2007 - NEW
Louis Schaefer and Charles Zamora register Legacy Offshore, LLC (http://www.legacyoffshore.com); a Louisiana Limited Liability Company (http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin?rqstyp=crpdtlC&rqsdta=36593498K)


Idk, maybe Zamora is Venezuelan for Smith.


If you could connect those two.... ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 07:50:19 PM
This is interesting:

Publicly:
05/14/2008
Kyle Kingman posts in open forum at SM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.msg381276#msg381276) regarding the pond, essentially repeating Caps message of 5/05/08 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379191#msg379191).
“Greetings, I'm sure you've already heard, but the pond is ropped off and now dry.  40 investigators from Holland were brought in related to the case.  No word on the outcome yet.  All the best”

Privately:
05/16/2008
Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com):  “I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but the ocean) contains Natalee's remains. The witness claims to have seen a muddy Joran coming out of the Monserat pond after disposing of her body…The 40+ investigators brought in from Holland never stepped foot in the pond”


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on February 28, 2009, 07:50:32 PM
Just more excerpts from the lawsuit that you have already uncovered trails regarding......


note the market trends which are quoted also and the sheer numbers.....no wonder they were pursuing that pot of gold

KTF, if you want to see nefarious, not Gerard Ledet's reputation  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 07:53:24 PM
Gerard Ledet.That's a name to Follow....I guess Nefarious is an understatement! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 07:58:26 PM
Petrobras Confident of Oil, Gas Finds in Colombia Sea

by Diana Delgado
Fri, Oct 6, 2006 11:27 GMT

BOGOTA - Brazil's state-owned company Petroleo Brasileiro SA (PBR), or Petrobras, is so optimistic that there is oil and gas below the Colombian portion of the Caribbean sea that it plans to expand its operations there and regain rights on an area it relinquished to the government earlier this year.

Dirceu Abrahao, the chief executive of Petrobras' Colombian unit, told Dow Jones Newswires in an interview that the company will participate in the auction of ten oil blocks scheduled in December.

The sale will include the Tayrona block, which Petrobras and its partners had to hand back to the government in February under terms of their original exploration contract.

"We see a lot of features that could indicate that (the Tayrona block) could have oil, but there is more potential for gas," Abrahao told Dow Jones Newswires in an interview. "That's why we are interested in reacquiring the rights on that block," he added.

In May 2004, Petrobras teamed up with Exxon Mobil Corp (XOM) and Colombia's state-owned company Ecopetrol to explore Tayrona, an area of more than 4.4 million hectares off Colombia's northern coast in the Caribbean waters.

Armando Zamora, the head of the Colombian hydrocarbon-licensing agency, or ANH, in July identified at least eight companies interested in participating in the auction, including Norway's Statoil ASA (STO), Italy's Italian ENI Sp A (E) and Russian gas giant Gazprom OAO (GSPBEX.RS).

Total investment in the ten blocks may reach $500 million, according to Zamora.

In the meantime, Petrobras and its partners are moving forward with exploration activities in the parts of Tayrona they still control.

According to Abrahao, seismic studies have identified the presence of hydrocarbons but the companies will only be able to drill their first well - an essential part of confirming a discovery - in the fourth quarter of 2007, because of a shortage of drilling rigs.


http://www.oil-gas-news.com/index.php?module=announce&ANN_user_op=view&ANN_id=102&214ee2435893d17beda1431c523cf00a=447cd0e483bc8223d60e6e535eb0338c


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 28, 2009, 07:58:43 PM
This is interesting:

Publicly:
05/14/2008
Kyle Kingman posts in open forum at SM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.msg381276#msg381276) regarding the pond, essentially repeating Caps message of 5/05/08 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379191#msg379191).
“Greetings, I'm sure you've already heard, but the pond is ropped off and now dry.  40 investigators from Holland were brought in related to the case.  No word on the outcome yet.  All the best”

Privately:
05/16/2008
Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com):  “I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but the ocean) contains Natalee's remains. The witness claims to have seen a muddy Joran coming out of the Monserat pond after disposing of her body…The 40+ investigators brought in from Holland never stepped foot in the pond”


Kyle and Caps had the same source it seems.  Nobody else ever saw the investigators from Holland.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 28, 2009, 08:12:18 PM
This is interesting:

Publicly:
05/14/2008
Kyle Kingman posts in open forum at SM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.msg381276#msg381276) regarding the pond, essentially repeating Caps message of 5/05/08 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379191#msg379191).
“Greetings, I'm sure you've already heard, but the pond is ropped off and now dry.  40 investigators from Holland were brought in related to the case.  No word on the outcome yet.  All the best”

Privately:
05/16/2008
Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com):  “I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but the ocean) contains Natalee's remains. The witness claims to have seen a muddy Joran coming out of the Monserat pond after disposing of her body…The 40+ investigators brought in from Holland never stepped foot in the pond”


Kyle and Caps had the same source it seems.  Nobody else ever saw the investigators from Holland.


And the pond had already been searched looking for Jose Tromp.  I doubt that if anything possibly related to a missing person was found it would have just been discarded if not Jose related.

So we know that previously the pond was thoroughly searched and by a private company and nothing was found.

What was the need to search it AGAIN?  What could be there later that wasn't there before? 

And I guess if Caps had to fle to Aruba that would explain why he didn't know the pond was really more of a storm sewer and seasonally dry.  All locals would know that and so I doubt any local would use the pond to try to hide anything because it would dry up a couple of times a year and expose anything hidden.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 08:13:40 PM
This is interesting:

Publicly:
05/14/2008
Kyle Kingman posts in open forum at SM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.msg381276#msg381276) regarding the pond, essentially repeating Caps message of 5/05/08 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379191#msg379191).
“Greetings, I'm sure you've already heard, but the pond is ropped off and now dry.  40 investigators from Holland were brought in related to the case.  No word on the outcome yet.  All the best”

Privately:
05/16/2008
Kyle Kingman (http://geosolutions.blogspot.com):  “I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but the ocean) contains Natalee's remains. The witness claims to have seen a muddy Joran coming out of the Monserat pond after disposing of her body…The 40+ investigators brought in from Holland never stepped foot in the pond”


Kyle and Caps had the same source it seems.  Nobody else ever saw the investigators from Holland.

I know, right?  And the only person they had in common, to my knowledge, was John Silvetti.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 28, 2009, 08:21:23 PM
The photos originally posted of the pond had the label "Inlets" for what Caps kept calling drains.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

And they were well above the obvious water lines.  They were for taking water INTO the pond and not out. 

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 28, 2009, 08:25:41 PM
Even that court doc is giving me a headache now.  But the impression I am getting is that not only were they defrauding the stockholders in a rather blatant manner but possible downright incompetent as well.

Good Gried, Charlie Brown! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Dolce on February 28, 2009, 08:51:47 PM
::MonkeyDance:: AMERICA'S MOST WANTED TONIGHT @ 9 EST.  ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ADJI DESIR  ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyDance:: THANK YOU!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on February 28, 2009, 09:02:15 PM
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN HUNTSVILLE HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORM WARNING FOR HEAVY SNOW... WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM MIDNIGHT TONIGHT TO 12 PM CST SUNDAY. THE WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT.



PRECIPITATION WILL BEGIN PUSHING INTO NORTH ALABAMA AND PARTS OF SOUTHERN MIDDLE TENNESSEE THIS EVENING. AS COLDER AIR FILTERS IN... THE RAIN WILL CHANGE OVER TO SNOW AROUND MIDNIGHT. PERIODS OF SNOW WILL OCCUR OVERNIGHT AND INTO SUNDAY MORNING... BEFORE FINALLY TAPERING OFF AROUND MIDDAY. MOST AREAS TONIGHT CAN EXPECT ACCUMULATIONS OF ONE TO TWO INCHES. HOWEVER... AS SNOWFALL CONTINUES OVER THE TENNESSEE VALLEY SUNDAY... TOTAL SNOWFALL ACCUMULATIONS OF TWO TO FOUR INCHES ARE EXPECTED.



 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 28, 2009, 09:18:02 PM
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN HUNTSVILLE HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORM WARNING FOR HEAVY SNOW... WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM MIDNIGHT TONIGHT TO 12 PM CST SUNDAY. THE WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT.



PRECIPITATION WILL BEGIN PUSHING INTO NORTH ALABAMA AND PARTS OF SOUTHERN MIDDLE TENNESSEE THIS EVENING. AS COLDER AIR FILTERS IN... THE RAIN WILL CHANGE OVER TO SNOW AROUND MIDNIGHT. PERIODS OF SNOW WILL OCCUR OVERNIGHT AND INTO SUNDAY MORNING... BEFORE FINALLY TAPERING OFF AROUND MIDDAY. MOST AREAS TONIGHT CAN EXPECT ACCUMULATIONS OF ONE TO TWO INCHES. HOWEVER... AS SNOWFALL CONTINUES OVER THE TENNESSEE VALLEY SUNDAY... TOTAL SNOWFALL ACCUMULATIONS OF TWO TO FOUR INCHES ARE EXPECTED.



 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

I was just away reading that, Anna.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 09:29:59 PM

http://www.upstreamonline.com/live/article165400.ece
Venezuela to open Orinoco licensing bid
News wires Friday, 24 October, 2008, 16:44 GMT


Venezuela will a unveil a licensing round for several oil blocks in the country's Orinoco region next week, Oil Minister Rafael Ramirez has announced.

"This coming week we will open up the licensing round with the interested companies," Ramirez said.

He was referring to three oil blocks in the Carabobo field, in the oil-rich Orinoco basin.

Ramirez said a number of oil companies have shown interest, but he would not say which ones, said Dow Jones Newswires.

Both Ramirez and President Hugo Chavez have insisted that they will carry on plans to diversify the country's partners to include companies from Russia and Asia as well as nations in Latin America.


Venezuela: Oil Minister Rafael Ramirez
(http://www.upstreamonline.com/multimedia/archive/00024/ram2_24332f.jpg)

====================================================

http://energy.ihs.com/News/WW-News/news-2006/MOEOffshore.htm

This article is extracted from International Oil Letter, Vol 22 issue 18 published 2006-05-08.

Ministry of Energy and Petroleum to invite bids for three offshore blocks - Venezuela

The Venezuelan Ministry of Energy and Petroleum (MENPET) is planning to invite bids for three blocks in the offshore La Blanquilla Este Area, covering 3,000 sq km, during the second half of 2006. The acreage is in Caribbean waters off the coast from Nueva Esparta State. The particular area north of La Tortuga and Margarita islands is one of four offshore regions where PDVSA hopes to find major reserve accumulations in excess of two billion barrels of oil and 3.5 Tcf of natural gas. Also included in the area to be offered is Punta Pescador, Mariusa and the west of Block 1 of the Plataforma Deltana area, all located just south of the maritime boundary with Trinidad & Tobago. On 31 December 2001, acquisition of a 3,100 sq km 3D survey, comprised of two separate surveys and each named "La Blanquilla," commenced in the same offshore area. The area under investigation is located in 100 to 1,000m of water. As of March 2002, a total of 1,999 sq km had been acquired. Punta Pescador is divided into two areas, each approximately 1,000 sq km. Guarapiche and Delta Centro are not going to be offered in the near future because both blocks are considered oil prone.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 10:01:44 PM

This may be a little closer to our timeline....

Venezuela to Resume Offshore E&P Gas Licensing     
  BNamericas      Thursday, January 25, 2007 

http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=40457

Venezuela's government will resume the Delta Caribe offshore natural gas E&P licensing process this year, awarding some blocks in 2007, PDVSA Gas president Felix Rodriguez told BNamericas.
"[Delta Caribe] is part of the state's strategic policy and is being handled by the energy and oil ministry. There are some blocks going out and some are on the backburner," Rodriguez said.

Delta Caribe, originally due to be awarded November 28, includes three blocks near La Blanquilla Island and a fourth between the Orinoco river delta and Trinidad & Tobago.

The government delayed bidding in light of the December 2006 presidential elections.
The government invited 34 companies to participate in the auction, of which 13 paid for rights to take part.

The 13 are: Anglo-Dutch Shell (NYSE: RDS-B); Brazil's Petrobras (NYSE: PBR); Japan's Teikoku and Mitsubishi; France's Total (NYSE: TOT); US major Chevron (NYSE: CVX); Russia's Lukoil; Hocol; Italy's ENI (NYSE: E); India's ONGC; Spain's Repsol YPF (NYSE: REP); Norway's Statoil (NYSE: STA); and Vinccler, the Venezuelan unit of Canada's PetroFalcon (TSX: PFC).

PDVSA Gas is a subsidiary of Venezuela's state oil company PDVSA

======================================



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 10:02:58 PM
That contract is gonna pop out of nowhere!Heading out for dinner.Will see you all in a little while!

KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 28, 2009, 10:05:40 PM

This may be a little closer to our timeline....

Venezuela to Resume Offshore E&P Gas Licensing     
  BNamericas      Thursday, January 25, 2007 

http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=40457

Venezuela's government will resume the Delta Caribe offshore natural gas E&P licensing process this year, awarding some blocks in 2007, PDVSA Gas president Felix Rodriguez told BNamericas.
"[Delta Caribe] is part of the state's strategic policy and is being handled by the energy and oil ministry. There are some blocks going out and some are on the backburner," Rodriguez said.

Delta Caribe, originally due to be awarded November 28, includes three blocks near La Blanquilla Island and a fourth between the Orinoco river delta and Trinidad & Tobago.

The government delayed bidding in light of the December 2006 presidential elections.
The government invited 34 companies to participate in the auction, of which 13 paid for rights to take part.

The 13 are: Anglo-Dutch Shell (NYSE: RDS-B); Brazil's Petrobras (NYSE: PBR); Japan's Teikoku and Mitsubishi; France's Total (NYSE: TOT); US major Chevron (NYSE: CVX); Russia's Lukoil; Hocol; Italy's ENI (NYSE: E); India's ONGC; Spain's Repsol YPF (NYSE: REP); Norway's Statoil (NYSE: STA); and Vinccler, the Venezuelan unit of Canada's PetroFalcon (TSX: PFC).

PDVSA Gas is a subsidiary of Venezuela's state oil company PDVSA

======================================



PDVSA may turn up with someone?We'll find it LifeSong.. ::MonkeyWink:: I shall return..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 28, 2009, 10:21:38 PM
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN HUNTSVILLE HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORM WARNING FOR HEAVY SNOW... WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM MIDNIGHT TONIGHT TO 12 PM CST SUNDAY. THE WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT.



PRECIPITATION WILL BEGIN PUSHING INTO NORTH ALABAMA AND PARTS OF SOUTHERN MIDDLE TENNESSEE THIS EVENING. AS COLDER AIR FILTERS IN... THE RAIN WILL CHANGE OVER TO SNOW AROUND MIDNIGHT. PERIODS OF SNOW WILL OCCUR OVERNIGHT AND INTO SUNDAY MORNING... BEFORE FINALLY TAPERING OFF AROUND MIDDAY. MOST AREAS TONIGHT CAN EXPECT ACCUMULATIONS OF ONE TO TWO INCHES. HOWEVER... AS SNOWFALL CONTINUES OVER THE TENNESSEE VALLEY SUNDAY... TOTAL SNOWFALL ACCUMULATIONS OF TWO TO FOUR INCHES ARE EXPECTED.



 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

As long as we are being weather O/T I'll say it was 83 here today.  Had to take my sweatshirt off, LOL   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Elaine on February 28, 2009, 10:33:14 PM
O/T   BUT good~!!!!

Most people who have followed Natalee's case remember two posters who posted here that did not want to see Joran convicted for his crime.

1.Medley Relay aka   Jan Brennan

2.Roger   aka   Scott Redman  founder of scrux


Most know that the two worked together to post a online book called " No Evidence Of A Crime".

Most know that those two were certainly not wanting Justice done in the Natalee Holloway Case.

I have some information to share with the monkeys about the latest adventure of these two, who defend the guilty.

They are at it again together~!! 

  They have attached themselves to a case about Wayne Bent,   read about the case here::

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Bent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Bent)

This guy started a "cult" as a front to Molest young girls.

These two just love to defend predators, as stated in one of the comments, They would rather see a few guilty "walk" rather than one innocent person locked up. When are they gonna understand the people they are defending have committed crimes, and are not inocent.  I give you thier new "project"  enjoy~!! Scroill down the page to see the box that has thier pictures together in it. They have started a new site ( which I am sure will become the next book ).


http://beyond90seconds.com/2009/02/10/wayne-bent-trial-transcripts-emerging-online/ (http://beyond90seconds.com/2009/02/10/wayne-bent-trial-transcripts-emerging-online/)




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: San on February 28, 2009, 10:36:20 PM
O/T   BUT good~!!!!

Most people who have followed Natalee's case remember two posters who posted here that did not want to see Joran convicted for his crime.

1.Medley Relay aka   Jan Brennan

2.Roger   aka   Scott Redman  founder of scrux


Most know that the two worked together to post a online book called " No Evidence Of A Crime".

Most know that those two were certainly not wanting Justice done in the Natalee Holloway Case.

I have some information to share with the monkeys about the latest adventure of these two, who defend the guilty.

They are at it again together~!! 

  They have attached themselves to a case about Wayne Bent,   read about the case here::

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Bent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Bent)

This guy started a "cult" as a front to Molest young girls.

These two just love to defend predators, as stated in one of the comments, They would rather see a few guilty "walk" rather than one innocent person locked up. When are they gonna understand the people they are defending have committed crimes, and are not inocent.  I give you thier new "project"  enjoy~!! Scroill down the page to see the box that has thier pictures together in it. They have started a new site ( which I am sure will become the next book ).


http://beyond90seconds.com/2009/02/10/wayne-bent-trial-transcripts-emerging-online/ (http://beyond90seconds.com/2009/02/10/wayne-bent-trial-transcripts-emerging-online/)


Something just hit me when you said that Elaine.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Elaine on February 28, 2009, 10:38:18 PM


Something just hit me when you said that Elaine.
  ::MonkeyCool::  Hi San!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: San on February 28, 2009, 10:39:30 PM


Something just hit me when you said that Elaine.
  ::MonkeyCool::  Hi San!

Good to see you Elaine.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Monkey Mia on February 28, 2009, 10:56:44 PM
I remember those two Elaine.  How disgusting.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 28, 2009, 11:05:47 PM
O/T   BUT good~!!!!

Most people who have followed Natalee's case remember two posters who posted here that did not want to see Joran convicted for his crime.

1.Medley Relay aka   Jan Brennan

2.Roger   aka   Scott Redman  founder of scrux


Most know that the two worked together to post a online book called " No Evidence Of A Crime".

Most know that those two were certainly not wanting Justice done in the Natalee Holloway Case.

I have some information to share with the monkeys about the latest adventure of these two, who defend the guilty.

They are at it again together~!! 

  They have attached themselves to a case about Wayne Bent,   read about the case here::

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Bent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Bent)

This guy started a "cult" as a front to Molest young girls.

These two just love to defend predators, as stated in one of the comments, They would rather see a few guilty "walk" rather than one innocent person locked up. When are they gonna understand the people they are defending have committed crimes, and are not inocent.  I give you thier new "project"  enjoy~!! Scroill down the page to see the box that has thier pictures together in it. They have started a new site ( which I am sure will become the next book ).


http://beyond90seconds.com/2009/02/10/wayne-bent-trial-transcripts-emerging-online/ (http://beyond90seconds.com/2009/02/10/wayne-bent-trial-transcripts-emerging-online/)




No offense to Medley/Jan, but she really should get herself a more professional looking photo.  It's really amazing what they can do now with filters and photoshop, just ask WordofWisdom.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/RedmanBrennan.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on February 28, 2009, 11:11:05 PM
Jeesh, Elaine
I haven't thought about those two in a Pig's age!

So, they are still around. Still riding the wrong horse.

THanks for that post!

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 11:11:32 PM

No offense to Medley/Jan, but she really should get herself a more professional looking photo.  It's really amazing what they can do now with filters and photoshop, just ask WordofWisdom.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/RedmanBrennan.jpg)


Looks like she pasted a man's face on the front of her head.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on February 28, 2009, 11:12:19 PM

No offense to Medley/Jan, but she really should get herself a more professional looking photo.  It's really amazing what they can do now with filters and photoshop, just ask WordofWisdom.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/RedmanBrennan.jpg)


Looks like she pasted a man's face on the front of her head.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


ROFLMAO!   ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: klaasend on February 28, 2009, 11:16:11 PM
Again, no offense but don't you usually find the BEST photo to publish?  Like realtors sometimes use really old photos of themselves when then are years younger?  LOL (I said sometimes)

So was this the best she could do?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: San on February 28, 2009, 11:16:24 PM

No offense to Medley/Jan, but she really should get herself a more professional looking photo.  It's really amazing what they can do now with filters and photoshop, just ask WordofWisdom.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/RedmanBrennan.jpg)


Looks like she pasted a man's face on the front of her head.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on February 28, 2009, 11:20:03 PM
Again, no offense but don't you usually find the BEST photo to publish?  Like realtors sometimes use really old photos of themselves when then are years younger?  LOL (I said sometimes)

So was this the best she could do?

Um....maybe that IS the best photo she has?
 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 11:20:56 PM

OK, here we go...I don't think any of this is going to mean anything right now, but it just might later. 


http://www.pdvsa.com/
Petroleos de Venezuela, S.A.

Oil Sowing Plan 2005-2030

Venezuela power policy guidelines until the year 2030 are drawn up in the appropriately named,"Oil Sowing Plan”, which includes six impressive development projects and consists of two stages:  one to be executed in the period 2005-2012, and the other, to be developed in the second stage, 2012 and 2030. 

For the first period of this Plan, an overall investment of around $56,000 billion has been estimated between 2005 and 2012. 70% of that amount will be financed by Venezuela -- state operator -- and the rest by the private sector. 

Oil Sowing Plan 2005-2012 includes six fundamental axes: 

1.-Magna Reserve:  Destined toward the Quantifying and certifying of oil reserves in the Orinoco Oil Belt; thus, an integrated geological study will be made of these reserves. Let us remember that Venezuela has (excluding the Orinoco Belt, 77 billion barrels of petroleum, whereas in the vast Orinoco zone, 235 million barrels are registered. 

2. - Orinoco Project: In charge of developing the Orinoco Belt. Twenty-seven blocks have been selected for development under this project with the cooperation of selected companies. Because of the strategic location of this hydrocarbon reservoir, it is considered of vital importance in reducing levels of overcrowding in some parts of the country and providing local employment. Services and housing will be developed to guarantee adequate oil exploitation.


 3. - Delta-Caribbean Project:  Gas will be incorporated to the country energy supply. This project pursues offshore gas development in the Deltana Platform off the coast of eastern Venezuela. Further developments are located in the Paraguaná Peninsula, to the north-west of the country. 


4. - Refinement:  To increase refinement capacity in Venezuela is one of PDVSA’s strategic goals. Oil Sowing Plan undertakes the creation of new refineries: Cabruta (with capacity for 400,000 extra-heavy crude barrels per day), Batalla de Santa Ines (50,000 barrels) and Caripito (50,000 barrels per day destined to asphalt production).  With these three new refineries and the improvement of the existing ones, PDVSA’s processing capacity on Venezuelan soil will be increased to 700, 000 barrels a day. 


5. - Infrastructure: More filling centers and pipelines will be set up to guarantee fuel supplies to the whole nation. The agreement for the construction of the Transguajiro gas pipeline between Venezuela and Colombia  has been signed.


6. - Integration: Oil is the resource that will integrate all the peoples of Latin America and the Caribbean. Venezuela will directly supply volumes of crude and oil products to the Caribbean through Petrocaribe, which also foresees the expansion of refining capacity in that region. Additionally, the Petrosur agreement has been signed leading to advances in the planning of projects in South America. An announcement will be made soon regarding the final location of a refinery that will be built close to Petrobras Company in Brazil.

 
 
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 11:21:47 PM
Again, no offense but don't you usually find the BEST photo to publish?  Like realtors sometimes use really old photos of themselves when then are years younger?  LOL (I said sometimes)

So was this the best she could do?

Um....maybe that IS the best photo she has?
 ::MonkeyLaugh::

"Excuse me sir, may I take your picture?"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on February 28, 2009, 11:25:11 PM
Again, no offense but don't you usually find the BEST photo to publish?  Like realtors sometimes use really old photos of themselves when then are years younger?  LOL (I said sometimes)

So was this the best she could do?

Um....maybe that IS the best photo she has?
 ::MonkeyLaugh::

"Excuse me sir, may I take your picture?"

ROFLMAO, you are cracking me up! Between you and Klaas, I am gonna need a new computer screen, lol  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 28, 2009, 11:38:40 PM

http://kaplanindustry.com/index.htm

Kaplan Industry is a leading independent international development consultancy, based in Panama with a registered office in Panama City and mayor project offices located in developing and transitional countries worldwide.

Has a long history of working with Government and National Oil & Gas Company, PDVSA, in Venezuela. Our key objective is to assist our clients all over the world in achieving the millennium development targets. Our operations in South America will continue to be in areas directly related to the infrastructure, oil exploration to development and production offshore.

Our core expertise lies in the fields of government and enterprise/utility reform and in a range of closely related critical support areas,notably policy communications and offshore industry reform. We are developing our expertise in the infrastructure and oil exploration to build upon our existing track record in these sectors.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on February 28, 2009, 11:43:36 PM
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN HUNTSVILLE HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORM WARNING FOR HEAVY SNOW... WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM MIDNIGHT TONIGHT TO 12 PM CST SUNDAY. THE WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT.



PRECIPITATION WILL BEGIN PUSHING INTO NORTH ALABAMA AND PARTS OF SOUTHERN MIDDLE TENNESSEE THIS EVENING. AS COLDER AIR FILTERS IN... THE RAIN WILL CHANGE OVER TO SNOW AROUND MIDNIGHT. PERIODS OF SNOW WILL OCCUR OVERNIGHT AND INTO SUNDAY MORNING... BEFORE FINALLY TAPERING OFF AROUND MIDDAY. MOST AREAS TONIGHT CAN EXPECT ACCUMULATIONS OF ONE TO TWO INCHES. HOWEVER... AS SNOWFALL CONTINUES OVER THE TENNESSEE VALLEY SUNDAY... TOTAL SNOWFALL ACCUMULATIONS OF TWO TO FOUR INCHES ARE EXPECTED.



 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

And Phoenix area is to have above  85' to  90'degrees for the next two days!   How strange that is...it is usually around 75' this time of year....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on February 28, 2009, 11:47:04 PM
http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/thumbnails.php?album=28

PG Fairwell party and new firm


(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/albums/2009/Feb/PG/PG%20%2811%29.jpg)

(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/albums/2009/Feb/PG/PG%20%2835%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 28, 2009, 11:56:40 PM
I know someone has probably mentioned this before, but I just noticed on LMN that the Natalee Holloway movie is going to be on April 19.

The clip was from the part where Beth was asking not to let Deepak & Satish go free.

Hi Art Colley, good to see you.  Derry is a fat spoiled teenage girl now.  She loves cheese treats.   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 28, 2009, 11:58:42 PM
Hi AZSunny we had 75 degree temperatures early Friday morning and then the tornado warnings started going off and we were under tornado warnings for 27 hours.  What a restless time, a sauna, winds, lightning, thunder, hail, floods tornadoes, and now we are going to have snow.,


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on March 01, 2009, 12:01:32 AM
Hi AZSunny we had 75 degree temperatures early Friday morning and then the tornado warnings started going off and we were under tornado warnings for 27 hours.  What a restless time, a sauna, winds, lightning, thunder, hail, floods tornadoes, and now we are going to have snow.,

Hi Tyler!   Strange weather happenings indeed!   Miss all you guys!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 01, 2009, 12:02:10 AM
I know someone has probably mentioned this before, but I just noticed on LMN that the Natalee Holloway movie is going to be on April 19.

The clip was from the part where Beth was asking not to let Deepak & Satish go free.

Hi Art Colley, good to see you.  Derry is a fat spoiled teenage girl now.  She loves cheese treats.   ::MonkeyDance::

HI Tyler!!!! So wonderful to see you, too!!!

Aw, bet Derry is beautiful!!!! OH, and cheese treats, oh yummy!!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on March 01, 2009, 12:05:12 AM
I know someone has probably mentioned this before, but I just noticed on LMN that the Natalee Holloway movie is going to be on April 19.

The clip was from the part where Beth was asking not to let Deepak & Satish go free.

Hi Art Colley, good to see you.  Derry is a fat spoiled teenage girl now.  She loves cheese treats.   ::MonkeyDance::

HI Tyler!!!! So wonderful to see you, too!!!

Aw, bet Derry is beautiful!!!! OH, and cheese treats, oh yummy!!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi Artcooley too! 

Tyler,  I was thinking of you today as I was picking out hair from my Roomba from my Bichons.  It kept telling me to clean the brushes, and the brushes were clean...then i checked the instructions.  damn.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 01, 2009, 12:09:25 AM
I know someone has probably mentioned this before, but I just noticed on LMN that the Natalee Holloway movie is going to be on April 19.

The clip was from the part where Beth was asking not to let Deepak & Satish go free.

Hi Art Colley, good to see you.  Derry is a fat spoiled teenage girl now.  She loves cheese treats.   ::MonkeyDance::

HI Tyler!!!! So wonderful to see you, too!!!

Aw, bet Derry is beautiful!!!! OH, and cheese treats, oh yummy!!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi Artcooley too! 

Tyler,  I was thinking of you today as I was picking out hair from my Roomba from my Bichons.  It kept telling me to clean the brushes, and the brushes were clean...then i checked the instructions.  damn.

HI, AzSunny!
OH, Bichon hair, lol
I gave PHoebe a little hairdo that makes her little face look so cute. I took off a lot of whiskers and beard since she is such a "Tomboy"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on March 01, 2009, 12:11:53 AM
I know someone has probably mentioned this before, but I just noticed on LMN that the Natalee Holloway movie is going to be on April 19.

The clip was from the part where Beth was asking not to let Deepak & Satish go free.

Hi Art Colley, good to see you.  Derry is a fat spoiled teenage girl now.  She loves cheese treats.   ::MonkeyDance::

HI Tyler!!!! So wonderful to see you, too!!!

Aw, bet Derry is beautiful!!!! OH, and cheese treats, oh yummy!!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi Artcooley too! 

Tyler,  I was thinking of you today as I was picking out hair from my Roomba from my Bichons.  It kept telling me to clean the brushes, and the brushes were clean...then i checked the instructions.  damn.

Oh dear, Colley, I made you a Cooley...LOL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on March 01, 2009, 12:13:18 AM
I know someone has probably mentioned this before, but I just noticed on LMN that the Natalee Holloway movie is going to be on April 19.

The clip was from the part where Beth was asking not to let Deepak & Satish go free.

Hi Art Colley, good to see you.  Derry is a fat spoiled teenage girl now.  She loves cheese treats.   ::MonkeyDance::

HI Tyler!!!! So wonderful to see you, too!!!

Aw, bet Derry is beautiful!!!! OH, and cheese treats, oh yummy!!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi Artcooley too! 

Tyler,  I was thinking of you today as I was picking out hair from my Roomba from my Bichons.  It kept telling me to clean the brushes, and the brushes were clean...then i checked the instructions.  damn.

HI, AzSunny!
OH, Bichon hair, lol
I gave PHoebe a little hairdo that makes her little face look so cute. I took off a lot of whiskers and beard since she is such a "Tomboy"

There looks can totally change with a face cut!  I am sure she is adorable!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 01, 2009, 12:17:52 AM
I know someone has probably mentioned this before, but I just noticed on LMN that the Natalee Holloway movie is going to be on April 19.

The clip was from the part where Beth was asking not to let Deepak & Satish go free.

Hi Art Colley, good to see you.  Derry is a fat spoiled teenage girl now.  She loves cheese treats.   ::MonkeyDance::

HI Tyler!!!! So wonderful to see you, too!!!

Aw, bet Derry is beautiful!!!! OH, and cheese treats, oh yummy!!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi Artcooley too! 

Tyler,  I was thinking of you today as I was picking out hair from my Roomba from my Bichons.  It kept telling me to clean the brushes, and the brushes were clean...then i checked the instructions.  damn.

HI, AzSunny!
OH, Bichon hair, lol
I gave PHoebe a little hairdo that makes her little face look so cute. I took off a lot of whiskers and beard since she is such a "Tomboy"

There looks can totally change with a face cut!  I am sure she is adorable!

Yes, I like it much better. She always looked like she was frowing with the full beard and whiskers. Now she looks like she is smiling!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tylergal on March 01, 2009, 12:23:09 AM
LOL about the Roomba.  That silly thing scared the crap out of me when it started talking.  Now it scares Derry occasionally.  She really is pretty and she loves cheese for her treats, so when she is good (she is a very good girl, just spoiled) she gets cheese cubes at the end of the day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 01, 2009, 12:37:02 AM
LOL about the Roomba.  That silly thing scared the crap out of me when it started talking.  Now it scares Derry occasionally.  She really is pretty and she loves cheese for her treats, so when she is good (she is a very good girl, just spoiled) she gets cheese cubes at the end of the day.

Tyler, I miss my Border Collies so much, They all passed on over the past few years, the last one went last Summer.
Now its just the Bichon and I love her dearly too. (she was raised by the Border collies, lol) SHe is quite spoiled, but a nice little girl with a great temperament.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 01, 2009, 12:37:35 AM
http://epiaruba.com/mambo//index.php?option=com_ice&Itemid=54&catid=16&mode=0&PageNo=32772#IceGallery

(http://epiaruba.com/mambo//components/com_ice/imageshow.php?imgid=1135&q=ae348dee4fc9eb5473fc4d86d5ca0065)

Iguana Job Shadow Day at the Hyatt

http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/thumbnails.php?album=18&page=1
 
(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/albums/2009/Feb/EPIHyatt/EPIHyatt%20%28128%29.jpg)

(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/albums/2009/Feb/EPIHyatt/EPIHyatt%20%28129%29.jpg)

(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/albums/2009/Feb/EPIHyatt/EPIHyatt%20%28130%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: ospainter on March 01, 2009, 12:44:39 AM
I just wanted to come down from the rafters to tell

everyone hi

Hi Tyler-I remember the Roomba

Hi AZSunny

Hi Art

Don't know much so I will go back to the rafters.

OS


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 01, 2009, 12:55:26 AM
Hi TM......Who is that in those last pics that You posted?  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 01, 2009, 01:00:16 AM
I just wanted to come down from the rafters to tell

everyone hi

Hi Tyler-I remember the Roomba

Hi AZSunny

Hi Art

Don't know much so I will go back to the rafters.

OS

Hi OS!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 01, 2009, 01:02:37 AM
HI OS
HI TexasMom

and

Goodnite! Time to hit the hay!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: ospainter on March 01, 2009, 01:03:04 AM
I just wanted to come down from the rafters to tell

everyone hi

Hi Tyler-I remember the Roomba

Hi AZSunny

Hi Art

Don't know much so I will go back to the rafters.

OS

Hi OS!   ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Texasmom

I remember that guy in the pics...hummm last name is interesting..

OS


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 01, 2009, 01:04:50 AM
I just wanted to come down from the rafters to tell

everyone hi

Hi Tyler-I remember the Roomba

Hi AZSunny

Hi Art

Don't know much so I will go back to the rafters.

OS

Hi OS!   ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Texasmom

I remember that guy in the pics...hummm last name is interesting..

OS
Hi OS.....Does it say Zedan....I blew it up and I think that's what I'm seeing....lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 01, 2009, 01:06:10 AM
Hi TM......Who is that in those last pics that You posted?  ::MonkeyEek::

Hi Hotping!

Freddy Zedan! (or that's what his name tag says, anyway)

I found a couple more where he looks a little more like himself.  brb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 01, 2009, 01:07:14 AM
HI OS
HI TexasMom

and

Goodnite! Time to hit the hay!!!

Hi Artcolley! 

Goodnight!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 01, 2009, 01:08:14 AM
Hi TM......Who is that in those last pics that You posted?  ::MonkeyEek::

Hi Hotping!

Freddy Zedan! (or that's what his name tag says, anyway)

I found a couple more where he looks a little more like himself.  brb
Thanks...I was like WTH when I first saw it then I blew it up and still did not know for sure if I was seeing the name right....lol  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 01, 2009, 01:11:34 AM
http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/displayimage.php?album=18&pos=101

(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/albums/2009/Feb/EPIHyatt/EPIHyatt%20%2872%29.jpg)

(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/albums/2009/Feb/EPIHyatt/EPIHyatt%20%2845%29.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 01, 2009, 01:13:40 AM
http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/displayimage.php?album=18&pos=101

(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/albums/2009/Feb/EPIHyatt/EPIHyatt%20%2872%29.jpg)

(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/albums/2009/Feb/EPIHyatt/EPIHyatt%20%2845%29.jpg)


Yep....That definitely looks more like Him.....Thanks!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2009, 01:14:38 AM
Hi TM......Who is that in those last pics that You posted?  ::MonkeyEek::

Freddy Zedan Arambatzis, one of Joran's best friends for life  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 01, 2009, 01:17:06 AM
Hi TM......Who is that in those last pics that You posted?  ::MonkeyEek::

Freddy Zedan Arambatzis, one of Joran's best friends for life  ::MonkeyWink::
Notice His name tag says Zedan....I guess He finally decided what His name is... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 01, 2009, 01:19:46 AM

You're welcome Hotping!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: ospainter on March 01, 2009, 01:23:10 AM
I just wanted to come down from the rafters to tell

everyone hi

Hi Tyler-I remember the Roomba

Hi AZSunny

Hi Art

Don't know much so I will go back to the rafters.

OS

Hi OS!   ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Texasmom

I remember that guy in the pics...hummm last name is interesting..

OS
Hi OS.....Does it say Zedan....I blew it up and I think that's what I'm seeing....lol

Hi Hotping

yes that is what it looks like to me..

things that make you go hummmmmmmmmm...

OS


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 01, 2009, 01:26:06 AM
I just wanted to come down from the rafters to tell

everyone hi

Hi Tyler-I remember the Roomba

Hi AZSunny

Hi Art

Don't know much so I will go back to the rafters.

OS

Hi OS!   ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Texasmom

I remember that guy in the pics...hummm last name is interesting..

OS
Hi OS.....Does it say Zedan....I blew it up and I think that's what I'm seeing....lol

Hi Hotping

yes that is what it looks like to me..

things that make you go hummmmmmmmmm...

OS
Thanks OS......My Eyes just aren't what They used to Be... ::MonkeyEek:: Definitely...hmmmm!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 01, 2009, 01:28:09 AM
TM .... So Those are recent pics... Freddie is in Aruba?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2009, 01:29:59 AM
(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/albums/2009/Feb/EPIHyatt/EPIHyatt%20%2845%29.jpg)

Is that Raymbert Bikker on the right?  Here is an old picture of Raymbert:


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/RaymbertBikker.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2009, 01:30:36 AM
TM .... So Those are recent pics... Freddie is in Aruba?

Yes, Freddy hasn't left Aruba to my knowledge


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: ospainter on March 01, 2009, 01:31:47 AM


Hi Hotping

yes that is what it looks like to me..

things that make you go hummmmmmmmmm...

OS
Thanks OS......My Eyes just aren't what They used to Be... ::MonkeyEek:: Definitely...hmmmm!

YW

OS


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 01, 2009, 01:37:03 AM
(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/albums/2009/Feb/EPIHyatt/EPIHyatt%20%2845%29.jpg)

Is that Raymbert Bikker on the right?  Here is an old picture of Raymbert:


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/RaymbertBikker.jpg)


They look a lot alike to me, but I'm not sure.  I'm going back to look at some of the other pics and see if I can see his name tag better.  In that picture the name doesn't look long enough, but I can't see it very well at all.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 01, 2009, 01:45:25 AM
TM .... So Those are recent pics... Freddie is in Aruba?

Yes, Freddy hasn't left Aruba to my knowledge
Thanks Klaas......I thought He was MIA! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 01, 2009, 01:49:45 AM

http://kaplanindustry.com/index.htm

Kaplan Industry is a leading independent international development consultancy, based in Panama with a registered office in Panama City and mayor project offices located in developing and transitional countries worldwide.

Has a long history of working with Government and National Oil & Gas Company, PDVSA, in Venezuela. Our key objective is to assist our clients all over the world in achieving the millennium development targets. Our operations in South America will continue to be in areas directly related to the infrastructure, oil exploration to development and production offshore.

Our core expertise lies in the fields of government and enterprise/utility reform and in a range of closely related critical support areas,notably policy communications and offshore industry reform. We are developing our expertise in the infrastructure and oil exploration to build upon our existing track record in these sectors.



I believe Superior leased the 2 Gulmar ships from this company LifeSong.Gulmar Energy SA.If you go to the website both these boats are registered in Panama.So with the leasing of these boats,as well as Kaplan industry we have two connections to Panama..What was Mermis going to Venezuela for???


http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: A's Fever on March 01, 2009, 01:51:28 AM
Klaas - O/T - I need your help!  You recently posted in Musings the name of a good (free) spyware/malware removal tool, but I don't remember the name and can't find the page.  My daughter's lappie is completely messed up with Spyware Protection 2009 which is malware, and the free tools I've tried have failed to find it or clean it up.  What was the name of the product you recommended?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: ospainter on March 01, 2009, 01:53:49 AM
Freddy knows

Didn't someone say that or something similar long ago?

Nite all

OS


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 01, 2009, 02:07:12 AM
Freddy knows

Didn't someone say that or something similar long ago?

Nite all

OS
Nite OS! Yep Freddie Supposedly knows!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 01, 2009, 02:08:23 AM
Good Night All!

Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 01, 2009, 02:09:38 AM
Good Night All!

Justice for Natalee!

Goodnight Hotping!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 01, 2009, 02:17:00 AM
Good Night All!

Justice for Natalee!

Goodnight Hotping!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 01, 2009, 02:18:10 AM
Freddy knows

Didn't someone say that or something similar long ago?

Nite all

OS
Nite OS! Yep Freddie Supposedly knows!  ::MonkeyWink::

Goodnight OS & Hotping.

Freddy needs to tell the truth.
So does Joran, Paulus, Deepak, Satish, Jan vdS., Karin J., Dompig, Ed/Papito, Dolph Richardson, Hans Mos, Clyde Burke, Louis Schaefer, John D. Silvetti, and Kyle Kingman.


Clyde Burke - The Truth Will Set You Free - Blow the Whistle Clyde - Enough Games - Blow the Whistle


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tylergal on March 01, 2009, 02:19:58 AM
Freddy knows

Didn't someone say that or something similar long ago?

Nite all

OS

Hi, Os. Yes, I used to post that on the front page all the time.   ::MonkeyDance::  We know he knows.

It's good seeing you here.  Monkeys, I am up late.  My house is flooded.  All my hardwood floors squeak with water when I walk.  That is why I was gone so long.  I  felt water underfoot and I was looking for Derry to see if she had had an accident.  I walked a few feet farther and another big puddle.  I knew that was too curious, so I got DH to come check and we have flooding coming from within the walls and under the slab. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 01, 2009, 02:23:25 AM
Freddy knows

Didn't someone say that or something similar long ago?

Nite all

OS

Hi, Os. Yes, I used to post that on the front page all the time.   ::MonkeyDance::  We know he knows.

It's good seeing you here.  Monkeys, I am up late.  My house is flooded.  All my hardwood floors squeak with water when I walk.  That is why I was gone so long.  I  felt water underfoot and I was looking for Derry to see if she had had an accident.  I walked a few feet farther and another big puddle.  I knew that was too curious, so I got DH to come check and we have flooding coming from within the walls and under the slab. 


Oh my, Tylergal!!  Has the rain stopped?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 01, 2009, 02:24:02 AM
(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/albums/2009/Feb/EPIHyatt/EPIHyatt%20%2845%29.jpg)

Is that Raymbert Bikker on the right?  Here is an old picture of Raymbert:


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/RaymbertBikker.jpg)


I still can't tell for sure.  He's another picture where the name tag is visible, but even blowing it up I can't tell what it says.

(http://epiaruba.com/mambo//components/com_ice/imageshow.php?imgid=1115&q=ae348dee4fc9eb5473fc4d86d5ca0065)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 01, 2009, 02:26:20 AM
Freddy knows

Didn't someone say that or something similar long ago?

Nite all

OS

Hi, Os. Yes, I used to post that on the front page all the time.   ::MonkeyDance::  We know he knows.

It's good seeing you here.  Monkeys, I am up late.  My house is flooded.  All my hardwood floors squeak with water when I walk.  That is why I was gone so long.  I  felt water underfoot and I was looking for Derry to see if she had had an accident.  I walked a few feet farther and another big puddle.  I knew that was too curious, so I got DH to come check and we have flooding coming from within the walls and under the slab. 


 ::MonkeyShocked::

That's terrible Tylergal!  I'm so sorry...what a mess!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 01, 2009, 03:00:42 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 01, 2009, 03:01:54 AM


Goodnight everyone!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 01, 2009, 07:22:17 AM
RE: The name tag on the guy on the right ... the last name on it doesn't look long enough to be 'Bikker'. It looks to be about 3 letters. Whoever he is, he really should grow his hair longer  ::MonkeyCool::
Can anyone tell what the LOGO on the shirts are?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: San on March 01, 2009, 07:54:19 AM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/ThreadLock4.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: sharon on March 01, 2009, 09:16:35 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.40


Re: Corruption and Collusion within the Aruban government 1&
« Reply #48 on: February 21, 2008, 09:58:31 AM » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The lastest from Natalee's Freebirds:


What Does Freddie Know?  

Several references have been made by suspects in the disappearance of
Natalee Holloway about the knowledge of another suspect - Freddie Alexander Arambatzis.

There have been references made regarding Freddie about Joran's shoes,
Natalee remaining "passed out", a camera, and Freddie knowing "the truth".


Diario 12/6/2006
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/6/

...the fact that Joran had already on the 30th of May
told Freddy the story about the Holliday Inn and that Joran told Freddy
also that “they” went into panic when Natalee remained “passed out”!



Statement
Freddy Zedan
June 12th 2005

The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach.

He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do.


Freddie was brought to the van der Sloot home after he spoke with
Aruban authorities in the early days of this investigation.
He was grilled by Joran's parents as to what he told police regarding their son, and Natalee Holloway.

Freddie states that Joran told him they had left Natalee at the beach, while at the same time Joran was still telling authorities he and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe had left Natalee at the Holiday Inn


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 18, 2005

“I believed the story that Joran, Deepak and Satish told, until Joran changed his statement. After that Freddy came to us and told us a different story. Joran had gone with the girl to the beach. (With Freddy is meant the witness Freddy ZEDAN; comment TROMP).

Freddy had told this story shortly after he was interviewed by the police.
He had called my wife and had said that he found it important to tell the truth. After that he came over to us and he first talked to my wife. After that he came back one time and and he spoke with Joran's lawyer, his parents, me and my wife were also present. My wife and myself were very crushed/saddened/injured and angry at Joran for apparently not telling us the truth. My wife and the lawyer then confronted Joran about this. According to my wife Joran reacted calmly and said that he had always told Freddy the truth.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

To your question whether Freddy ZEDAN came to our house out of his own accord or whether I had invited him, I can state the following. According to me Freddy phoned my wife after he had been questioned by the police. According to me he and his girlfriend came over to see my wife and he told what he had stated to the police. I was busy in the kitchen and did not hear everything Freddy was saying. Only at
the end of the conversation I joined them. My wife and I were angry at Joran, because he did not tell the truth from the beginning. My wife planned to confront Joran with Freddy's statements. That night we were going to have a meeting with Mr. A. CARLO, this was a previously planned meeting. My wife called Freddy again and asked him if he could tell his story again to Joran's lawyer. At first he didn't want to come because he had an exam the very next day but in the end he and his parents came over. He then told the story he knew to Joran's lawyer. I am convinced that Mr. CARLO did this with the best intentions possible


JORAN'S BOOK
Page 154, Freddy after his June 12 statement:

(Joran) That night Freddy, per request of my mother, visited, to tell
everything.

Freddy's parents are coming along, because they do not find it a good idea that Freddy goes alone. Besides my father Paul and my mother Anita.
My lawyer Anthony Carlo is also present at our home per request of my mother.

My mother asks Freddy to tell everything again.

Freddy: I could see on Anita's face that she did not know Joran had left the girl on the beach and that he has lost his shoes.

I also told that Joran, Deepak, Satish and me had talked about it that I would buy new shoes for Joran.

Anita could not believe everything I was telling. (as in amazed).

Carlo asks several times why Freddy thinks that Joran left his shoes behind.

Freddy answers: Joran did not want to walk with his shoes on the beach and probably left them behind because of that.

Freddy tells the beach story again that I would have told him on Monday May 30.

Carlo in between asks questions all the time.

Freddy: I felt he asked me those things because he thought that me as a good friend of Joran could understand why he had done these things. I do not believe he asked those questions because he thought Joran would have told me, because he repeated every time: Why do you think that?

My father does not ask Freddy anything, but he does react on Freddy's answers to my mother. He says: why does Joran lie, and why did he not tell us that? My mother had promised the conversation would last 10 minutes max, but after half an hour Freddy's father gets up.

My parents did not agree with Joran's parents having invited me, Freddy says.

After Carlo had called the head officer for permission to visit me, he confronts me with what Freddy had said. I immediately admitted I had lied and that Freddy was telling the truth.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005

I also have to tell you that Joran was wearing white sneakers/sport shoes that night. If you search/investigate his home then you will see that the shoes aren't there. He had told me that he had theft them on the beach.
To your question whether I of if Joran told the story to someone else,
than I can say the following. I know Joran told his story to his friend named Freddy ZEDAN. Freddy lives behind Joran. His mobile phone number is inside my mobile phone.

To your question whether Joran told me what he had told Freddy,
I can say the following. Joran told me that he had told Freddy the
truth and the story that was made up. I know that he trusts Freddy more because they have known each other for a long time. If you go and talk to Freddy, he will tell you the made up story and maybe also the truth.


Satish Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 30, 2005

On your question who can tell the truth to you, with the exception of Joran, Deepak and I, I can tell you the following:
Freddy is the person Joran confides in and he can tell you the truth.

Satish Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 24, 2005

On your question who Joran's best friend is:
Freddy Zedan is Joran’s best friend. Freddy knew about the invented Holiday Inn and the tale which my brother and I and Joran told and that the missing girl was dropped off at the beach at the Marriott. My brother Deepak had told me that he and Joran invented the tale but to Freddy the beach tale was told. I thought that stunk, because I was not aware Freddy was told the beach tale. (note: tale does not necessarily mean lie, could mean story).

I have met Freddy two times after it was confessed that the girl became missing.

...the second time was when Joran, my brother and I took the camera to Freddy’s house.
We delivered the camera to Freddy, and afterwards all four of us ate Chinese in the area of Freddy’s house. Freddy also lives in Montanja. I do not remember his house number. We had bought food and we then we went to Joran’s apartment afterwards. According to me Freddy
was informed then already about the missing girl. We may have spoken some about the missing girl, it is possible but I don’t remember.

You ask me if I was scared when we were talking with Freddy about the missing girl. It is possible that I don’t remember. I say that we, Deepak and I, did not know that Freddy knew the real story. The real story, which was on the beach. It do not understand why Freddy was told that, according to me he knew both stories already.


Wednesday June 22, 2005
While being transferred from police station to KIA, Deepak and Satish are secretly recorded in a 40min conversation:

D: And I also trusted Freddy like a brother.
S: Yes.
D: But he also talked shit, that's why we've been arrested.
S: What did he say?
D: He keeps information behind. You know that Van der Sloot trusts Freddy with his life. Freddy knows what has happened. Freddy knows the truth.
S: I know he knows truth
D: Freddy knows, Freddy knows.
S: I've just said, Freddy also knows about the story of what happened, ask him.
D: Freddy knows


Deepak and Satish are being questioned in Orangestad at the same time and are transported back to KIA along with Joran in a minivan. The following conversation is recorded:


Joran: You know no good that my father has nothing to do [with this}. I have read your statements, friend. You two are lying shit. (then very calmly) You know what happened with that girl. If you don't know it, then nothing happened. (then angrily) So, f*** you. What do you say, that Freddy has to be arrested?
Deepak: That Freddy has to tell the truth.
Joran: You know very well that Freddy has told the truth.
Satish: You will see, you will see.
Deepak: You could have prevented it from the beginning, this, of your
father. You know it. That he wasn't arrested.


Freddie himself was detained by authorities in this case - and then subsequently released. .

Diana Emerencia - Freddy's attorney
Decatur Daily News
August 31, 2005

http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/050831/aruba.shtml

Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.

Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incidents, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.

*Did Freddie have involvement in Natalee's disappearance?

* What "truth" does Freddie know that could shed light on the circumstances surrounding this tragic crime?

* Why did the Kalpoe brothers need to give a camera to Freddy?

* What sort of history regarding similar crimes do Freddie and Joran share?

* Why did Paulus and Anita need to find out what Freddy told police?

* Has Freddie told Aruban authorities all he knows about what happened to Natalee Holloway?
 
Natalee and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!
Natalee's Freebirds
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2009, 09:27:57 AM
Klaas - O/T - I need your help!  You recently posted in Musings the name of a good (free) spyware/malware removal tool, but I don't remember the name and can't find the page.  My daughter's lappie is completely messed up with Spyware Protection 2009 which is malware, and the free tools I've tried have failed to find it or clean it up.  What was the name of the product you recommended?

AVG Free edition

http://www.filehippo.com/download_avg_antivirus/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2009, 09:35:25 AM
RE: The name tag on the guy on the right ... the last name on it doesn't look long enough to be 'Bikker'. It looks to be about 3 letters. Whoever he is, he really should grow his hair longer  ::MonkeyCool::
Can anyone tell what the LOGO on the shirts are?

http://www.aruba.com/extlinks/epiweb/

Colegio EPI - Hospitality Unit


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/colegioepi.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2009, 09:45:42 AM
http://meiden.blog.nl/bizar/2009/02/27/joran-zoekt-thais-vriendinnetje

through translator

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/JoranThailandGirls.jpg)

enlarged

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/untitled.jpg)


More about it here:

Joran zoekt weer Thaise vrouwen

door de redactie
vr 27 feb 2009, 08:42

AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot
Op de datingsite Thailovelinks.com prijst de Brabander zich sinds begin deze maand aan als een lieve en zorgzame partner. Dit alles onder de naam van zijn vader Paul.

Afgelopen november onderzocht justitie in Thailand nog of Van der Sloot zich schuldig heeft gemaakt aan vrouwenhandel of de voorbereiding daarvan. Dit na de uitzending van Peter R. de Vries waarin was de zien hoe Van der Sloot pogingen doet om Thaise meisjes te leveren aan een undercovermedewerker van De Vries. De misdaadverslaggever stuurde direct een in vertaalde versie van de band richting Bangkok.

De van de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway verdachte Nederlander sloeg daarop op de vlucht, maar lijkt zijn draai in het land inmiddels weer te hebben gevonden.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3350468/__Joran_zoekt_weer_Thaise_vrouwen__.html

GOOGLE TRANSLATION:

Joran looking back Thai women

by the editors
Fri Feb 27, 2009, 08:42

AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot

The dating site Thailovelinks.com praised the Brabander since early this month as a sweet and caring partner. All under the name of his father Paul.

Last November in Thailand has Justice investigated or Van der Sloot is guilty of trafficking or the preparation thereof. After the broadcast of Peter R. de Vries which was how Van der Sloot attempts to do Thai girls to an undercover officer of De Vries. The crime reporter sent directly in a translated version of the band towards Bangkok.

From the disappearance of Natalee Holloway suspect Dutchman hit them on the flight, but it seems his turn in the country have again been found.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 01, 2009, 11:28:00 AM
I'll be checking in frequently 4 thread change time  ::MonkeyTongue:: Joran makes me puke. I hate them all too, robots, lol.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 01, 2009, 11:43:12 AM


Good morning Monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 01, 2009, 12:02:02 PM
Senor Frogs First Anniversary

http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/thumbnails.php?album=37

(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/albums/2009/March/Frogs2/Frogs1%20%28132%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tylergal on March 01, 2009, 12:13:01 PM
Yes, thank you, Monkeys.  The rain has stoppedand we have a blanket of snow everywhere.  I slopped and mopped water and DH and a friend dug out around the perimeter of the house to allow water to escape.  It's very cold out there and it's been snowing since about 4 a.m. and its still coming down but I expect soon the sun will come out and melt the snow and then we can have insurance adjusters and contractors assess and start on our problem. 

After 27 hours of being under a tornado warning, constantly and a flooded house, the snow was a relief but to have it go will also be a relief so we can figure out what happened and what to do.

DON'T FORGET THE MOVIE ON LMN APRIL 19 NATALEE HOLLOWAY.  I KNOW IT'S EARLY, THAT'S SIX WEEKS AWAY BUT JUST SO EVERONE CAN PLAN AHEAD.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 01, 2009, 01:21:58 PM
Hello Monkeys.....I hope Everyone is having a Good Day!  ::MonkeyCool::


Lifesong and KTF

Do We have any information on Ceanic Corp in Regards To Schaefer? I have found a tie between the two but I have no idea if its been explored.....Let Me know if I should post it or not.....TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 01, 2009, 01:23:48 PM
Valero Energy Corp.'s Caribbean vacation may soon be over.

The San Antonio, Texas-based company, which is North America's biggest refiner, said Tuesday that it has hired an adviser (UBS Investment Bank) to explore the sale of its oil refinery in Aruba, which would mark a relatively quick exit from the Caribbean nation. Valero only bought the facility in 2004, paying $365-million, plus $100-million for related operations on the island and $162-million for working capital. It has a capacity of 275,000 barrels a day - which is down from 315,000 b/d when Valero bought the facility.

The move would be another step in Valero's efforts to shed underperforming assets. Four months ago, it sold its Lima, Ohio refinery to Calgary's Husky Energy Inc. for $1.9-billion.

Who might be interested in buying the Aruba refinery?  You can probably cross El Paso Corp. off the list, since it sold the facility to Valero in the first place. The Caribbean refining industry has few private players; most of the refineries in the region are owned by state oil companies. Hess Corp. does own half of a refinery in St. Croix, U.S. Virgin Islands, in a joint venture with PDVSA, Venezuela's state-owned oil company.

PDVSA itself might be a potential buyer; Aruba is just 30 kilometres from the Venezuelan coast, the refinery relies on Venezuela for its crude oil feedstocks, and PDVSA already has a refinery in nearby Curacao. Given the hostile environment the Venezuelan government has fostered toward private investment in its oil industry, there might not be many companies besides PDVSA interested in increasing their exposure to the region.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071106.WBwenergyblog061320071106101722/WBStory/WBwenergyblog0613


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 01, 2009, 01:25:03 PM
Hello Monkeys.....I hope Everyone is having a Good Day!  ::MonkeyCool::


Lifesong and KTF

Do We have any information on Ceanic Corp in Regards To Schaefer? I have found a tie between the two but I have no idea if its been explored.....Let Me know if I should post it or not.....TIA

Please do Hotping!Throw it out there.who know's when it's going to be the Lightbulb moment... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 01, 2009, 01:35:13 PM
Hello Monkeys.....I hope Everyone is having a Good Day!  ::MonkeyCool::


Lifesong and KTF

Do We have any information on Ceanic Corp in Regards To Schaefer? I have found a tie between the two but I have no idea if its been explored.....Let Me know if I should post it or not.....TIA

Please do Hotping!Throw it out there.who know's when it's going to be the Lightbulb moment... ::MonkeyCool::
OK...Here it is...I have to go do some work outside I'll be back later.. ::MonkeyWink::

Entities Related to Ceanic Corp
 
Top 8 of 8 entities related to Ceanic Corp. 
  Map GEORGE C YAX and Ceanic Corp's 8 relationships 
  Map Quinn J Hebert and Ceanic Corp's 4 relationships 
  Map Cathy M Green and Ceanic Corp's 4 relationships 
  Map Bradley Parro and Ceanic Corp's 4 relationships 
  Map Stephen A Lasher and Ceanic Corp's 3 relationships 
  Map Louis E Schaefer Jr and Ceanic Corp's 2 relationships 
  Map Quinn J Hebert and Ceanic Corp's 2 relationships 
  Map William C O'malley and Ceanic Corp's 1 relationship 

http://www.marketvisual.com/DirectProfile.aspx?ID=c8374666-80bb-405d-9c92-aabd3b2a6df3


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 01, 2009, 01:39:26 PM
Hello Monkeys.....I hope Everyone is having a Good Day!  ::MonkeyCool::


Lifesong and KTF

Do We have any information on Ceanic Corp in Regards To Schaefer? I have found a tie between the two but I have no idea if its been explored.....Let Me know if I should post it or not.....TIA

Please do Hotping!Throw it out there.who know's when it's going to be the Lightbulb moment... ::MonkeyCool::
OK...Here it is...I have to go do some work outside I'll be back later.. ::MonkeyWink::

Entities Related to Ceanic Corp
 
Top 8 of 8 entities related to Ceanic Corp. 
  Map GEORGE C YAX and Ceanic Corp's 8 relationships 
  Map Quinn J Hebert and Ceanic Corp's 4 relationships 
  Map Cathy M Green and Ceanic Corp's 4 relationships 
  Map Bradley Parro and Ceanic Corp's 4 relationships 
  Map Stephen A Lasher and Ceanic Corp's 3 relationships 
  Map Louis E Schaefer Jr and Ceanic Corp's 2 relationships 
  Map Quinn J Hebert and Ceanic Corp's 2 relationships 
  Map William C O'malley and Ceanic Corp's 1 relationship 

http://www.marketvisual.com/DirectProfile.aspx?ID=c8374666-80bb-405d-9c92-aabd3b2a6df3

That site is very interesting.Research all the companies we can until we get what we're looking for!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 01, 2009, 01:39:47 PM

I don't remember anything about Ceanic, Hotping. 

I do still have Sea Tech Industries on the 'To Do' list - it's another Louisiana LLC owned by Schaefer that was just registered April 2, 2008.

Louisiana Secretary of State
Detailed Record
Charter/Organization ID: 36708503K
Name: SEA TECH INDUSTRIES, L.L.C.
Type Entity: Limited Liability Company
Status: Active
Annual Report Status: In Good Standing
Mailing Address: 221 GUNTHER LANE, BELLE CHASE, LA 70037
Domicile Address: 221 GUNTHER LANE, BELLE CHASE, LA 70037
File Date: 04/02/2008
Registered Agent (Appointed 4/02/2008): LESLIE W. EHRET, 1100 POYDRAS STREET, SUITE 3600, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70163-3600
Member: LOUIS E. SCHAEFER, JR., 2210 TWIN OAKS BLVD., KEMAH, TX 77565
Member: BRANDON C. GASPARD, 221 GUNTHER LANE, BELLE CHASSE, LA 70037
http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin?rqstyp=crpdtlC&rqsdta=36708503K


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 01, 2009, 01:42:22 PM
Ceanic Corporation (formerly American Oilfield Divers, Inc) provides subsea services and products including field development to the offshore oil and gas industry as well as industrial and governmental customers. The company's marketing, primarily is concentrated in the Gulf of Mexico, West Coast of the United States, West Africa and in the Middle East. The subsea services of the company include construction, installation, maintenance, repair, inspection and support of drilling operations. The company acquired M/V American Defender & HSI in 1997.

http://www.business.com/directory/energy_and_environment/oil_and_gas/consulting_and_engineering_services/ceanic_corporation/profile/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 01, 2009, 01:43:44 PM
Valero Energy Corp.'s Caribbean vacation may soon be over.

The San Antonio, Texas-based company, which is North America's biggest refiner, said Tuesday that it has hired an adviser (UBS Investment Bank) to explore the sale of its oil refinery in Aruba, which would mark a relatively quick exit from the Caribbean nation. Valero only bought the facility in 2004, paying $365-million, plus $100-million for related operations on the island and $162-million for working capital. It has a capacity of 275,000 barrels a day - which is down from 315,000 b/d when Valero bought the facility.

The move would be another step in Valero's efforts to shed underperforming assets. Four months ago, it sold its Lima, Ohio refinery to Calgary's Husky Energy Inc. for $1.9-billion.

Who might be interested in buying the Aruba refinery?  You can probably cross El Paso Corp. off the list, since it sold the facility to Valero in the first place. The Caribbean refining industry has few private players; most of the refineries in the region are owned by state oil companies. Hess Corp. does own half of a refinery in St. Croix, U.S. Virgin Islands, in a joint venture with PDVSA, Venezuela's state-owned oil company.

PDVSA itself might be a potential buyer; Aruba is just 30 kilometres from the Venezuelan coast, the refinery relies on Venezuela for its crude oil feedstocks, and PDVSA already has a refinery in nearby Curacao. Given the hostile environment the Venezuelan government has fostered toward private investment in its oil industry, there might not be many companies besides PDVSA interested in increasing their exposure to the region.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071106.WBwenergyblog061320071106101722/WBStory/WBwenergyblog0613



In addition and as part of its operations in the Caribbean, PDVSA operates a refinery under a
lease agreement between PDVSA and Refinería di Korsou N.V. (RDK), a company owned by
the government of Curacao, which is the owner of the refinery; and Refinería Cienfuegos, in
which PDVSA holds an equity participation of 49% through an ”Empresa Mixta” of PDVSA and
Cupet.
The Bahamas Oil Refining Company International Limited (BORCO) is a storage terminal wholly
owned by PDVSA, located in the Bahamas, which includes the following: one (1) marine terminal
spanning 640 acres of land, four (4) docks with eight (8) offshore posts and seventy-three (73)
storage tanks with a nominal capacity of 19.7 MMBls.
Bonaire Petroleum Corporation N.V. (BOPEC) is a storage, mixing and filling terminal of crude
oil and its derivatives, wholly owned by PDVSA, located in Bonaire, which includes twenty-three
(23) storage tanks with a nominal capacity of 10.1 MMBls.

Looks like PDVSA has it's imprint on Bonaire,as well as Curacao!The refinery in Aruba would be a nice aquistion for them if it makes sense economically.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 01, 2009, 01:45:51 PM

Speaking of lightbulb moments...what's up with this?

12/25/2007
Trap found.  Per oceanexploration (Kyle Kingman):  “The trap in Video 1-3 was found from the first conducted ROV dive.  I found the target at 1:46 am on Christmas morning.  It was my #1 ranked priority target and therefore the first of the ROV dive series.”

Tues 25-Dec 0140 hrs
To the family and loved ones of the search team and crew of the Persistence:
Words can not express our longing to be with our families over Christmas and the void we all feel. The contact we receive from loved ones through phone calls and emails does provide a diminutive sense of normalcy and solace. We take comfort in knowing life goes on back home in our absence and that this project will eventually come to an end, returning us safely to our families. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts for your continuous prayers, love, and support throughout this project. Loved ones are always on our minds which helps us maintain an unwavering focus and determination to complete this project with success, knowing that in success we shall return.

From the search team and crew of the Persistence to all:
Thank you dearly for your love, support, and prayers both for the search effort and the Holloway family. We hope that during this Christmas season you will stand witness and understand the true Christmas story which has been told and retold in varies forms throughout history. True love never fails and gracefully proves itself strong through sacrifice. We consider ourselves honored to use our God-given gifts and resources to this cause. From all of us, have a wonderful, safe, and merry Christmas.

The search is amidst perhaps the most difficult phase. The excitement and energy of the beginning has waned, yet the end is still on the horizon. We will persevere and give this wonderful vessel reason for it's namesake.



That was a busy six minutes for Kyle Kingman, eh?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 01, 2009, 01:45:56 PM

I don't remember anything about Ceanic, Hotping. 

I do still have Sea Tech Industries on the 'To Do' list - it's another Louisiana LLC owned by Schaefer that was just registered April 2, 2008.

Louisiana Secretary of State
Detailed Record
Charter/Organization ID: 36708503K
Name: SEA TECH INDUSTRIES, L.L.C.
Type Entity: Limited Liability Company
Status: Active
Annual Report Status: In Good Standing
Mailing Address: 221 GUNTHER LANE, BELLE CHASE, LA 70037
Domicile Address: 221 GUNTHER LANE, BELLE CHASE, LA 70037
File Date: 04/02/2008
Registered Agent (Appointed 4/02/2008): LESLIE W. EHRET, 1100 POYDRAS STREET, SUITE 3600, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70163-3600
Member: LOUIS E. SCHAEFER, JR., 2210 TWIN OAKS BLVD., KEMAH, TX 77565
Member: BRANDON C. GASPARD, 221 GUNTHER LANE, BELLE CHASSE, LA 70037
http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin?rqstyp=crpdtlC&rqsdta=36708503K


Great work Monkey's.I believe,just like Charlie did,that we're gonna find the Golden Ticket........ ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 01, 2009, 01:46:56 PM
Do We have this one its lengthy so I will just post the link...... ::MonkeyWink::

http://google.brand.edgar-online.com/DisplayFilingInfo.aspx?Type=HTML&text=%2526lt%253bNEAR%252f4%2526gt%253b(%22LOUIS+E%22%2c%22SCHAEFER%22%2c%22JR%22)+%2526lt%253bOR%2526gt%253b+%2526lt%253bNEAR%252f4%2526gt%253b(%22LOUIS+E%22%2c%22SCHAEFER%22)+%2526lt%253bOR%2526gt%253b+%2526lt%253bNEAR%252f4%2526gt%253b(%22LOUIS+E.%22%2c%22SCHAEFER%22%2c%22JR.%22)+%2526lt%253bOR%2526gt%253b+%2526lt%253bNEAR%252f4%2526gt%253b(%22LOUIS+E.%22%2c%22SCHAEFER%22)&FilingID=5863994&ppu=%2fPeopleFilingResults.aspx%3fPersonID%3d4265740%26PersonName%3dLOUIS%2520E.%2520SCHAEFER


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 01, 2009, 01:52:54 PM

Speaking of lightbulb moments...what's up with this?

12/25/2007
Trap found.  Per oceanexploration (Kyle Kingman):  “The trap in Video 1-3 was found from the first conducted ROV dive.  I found the target at 1:46 am on Christmas morning.  It was my #1 ranked priority target and therefore the first of the ROV dive series.”

Tues 25-Dec 0140 hrs
To the family and loved ones of the search team and crew of the Persistence:
Words can not express our longing to be with our families over Christmas and the void we all feel. The contact we receive from loved ones through phone calls and emails does provide a diminutive sense of normalcy and solace. We take comfort in knowing life goes on back home in our absence and that this project will eventually come to an end, returning us safely to our families. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts for your continuous prayers, love, and support throughout this project. Loved ones are always on our minds which helps us maintain an unwavering focus and determination to complete this project with success, knowing that in success we shall return.

From the search team and crew of the Persistence to all:
Thank you dearly for your love, support, and prayers both for the search effort and the Holloway family. We hope that during this Christmas season you will stand witness and understand the true Christmas story which has been told and retold in varies forms throughout history. True love never fails and gracefully proves itself strong through sacrifice. We consider ourselves honored to use our God-given gifts and resources to this cause. From all of us, have a wonderful, safe, and merry Christmas.

The search is amidst perhaps the most difficult phase. The excitement and energy of the beginning has waned, yet the end is still on the horizon. We will persevere and give this wonderful vessel reason for it's namesake.



That was a busy six minutes for Kyle Kingman, eh?

Interesting stuff for the Timeline.It will be very interesting once it's all done!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: San on March 01, 2009, 02:02:56 PM
Yes, thank you, Monkeys.  The rain has stoppedand we have a blanket of snow everywhere.  I slopped and mopped water and DH and a friend dug out around the perimeter of the house to allow water to escape.  It's very cold out there and it's been snowing since about 4 a.m. and its still coming down but I expect soon the sun will come out and melt the snow and then we can have insurance adjusters and contractors assess and start on our problem. 

After 27 hours of being under a tornado warning, constantly and a flooded house, the snow was a relief but to have it go will also be a relief so we can figure out what happened and what to do.

DON'T FORGET THE MOVIE ON LMN APRIL 19 NATALEE HOLLOWAY.  I KNOW IT'S EARLY, THAT'S SIX WEEKS AWAY BUT JUST SO EVERONE CAN PLAN AHEAD.

Thank you for the reminder Tyler.  I made a thread to remind everyone.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 01, 2009, 02:13:33 PM
Timeline of Articles about Louis E Schaefer


http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/ReferencesView.aspx?PersonID=1062321252


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 01, 2009, 02:20:41 PM
These oil reserves appear to be at least among the most important if not the most important ones in the world right now involving underwater exploration and drilling, pipelines, etc.

So even without the location of an actually awarded contract, would just being there, having a map and able to bid on everything be where it was at for companies like these?

At the least to rent or sell some equipment, jobs for professionals in this field, etc.?  I mean how would you even start to bid on anything without a map?  Could be solid rock, coral beds, etc. all over, wouldn't even have accurate depths, etc,. without a map, right?

So just being in the area has to have value and be the first step toward involvement in the latest and biggest global action in underwater enterprises in this field.

At least that is what I would think.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 01, 2009, 02:38:20 PM
Yes, thank you, Monkeys.  The rain has stoppedand we have a blanket of snow everywhere.  I slopped and mopped water and DH and a friend dug out around the perimeter of the house to allow water to escape.  It's very cold out there and it's been snowing since about 4 a.m. and its still coming down but I expect soon the sun will come out and melt the snow and then we can have insurance adjusters and contractors assess and start on our problem. 

After 27 hours of being under a tornado warning, constantly and a flooded house, the snow was a relief but to have it go will also be a relief so we can figure out what happened and what to do.

DON'T FORGET THE MOVIE ON LMN APRIL 19 NATALEE HOLLOWAY.  I KNOW IT'S EARLY, THAT'S SIX WEEKS AWAY BUT JUST SO EVERONE CAN PLAN AHEAD.

Hi guys!!  It's good to see you, Tyler!! I rarely post here because I'm afraid I don't have much to contribute, but I read, and all of you just amaze me! I don't know about the movie...........

What's LMN?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 01, 2009, 02:45:26 PM
These oil reserves appear to be at least among the most important if not the most important ones in the world right now involving underwater exploration and drilling, pipelines, etc.

So even without the location of an actually awarded contract, would just being there, having a map and able to bid on everything be where it was at for companies like these?

At the least to rent or sell some equipment, jobs for professionals in this field, etc.?  I mean how would you even start to bid on anything without a map?  Could be solid rock, coral beds, etc. all over, wouldn't even have accurate depths, etc,. without a map, right?

So just being in the area has to have value and be the first step toward involvement in the latest and biggest global action in underwater enterprises in this field.

At least that is what I would think.


Yes, Anna - exactly.  We have to remember too, these guys are not the actual oil companies, it may be that they submit their bids as a service-providing subcontractor to the main bidding party as part of a bundled bid response. 

It may also be that their quotes to the oil companies aren't even included the primary Bid Response, the bid winner may take quotes and hire their subs after the contract is awarded.

Whatever, with the monies being spent, you are exactly correct that having a map of the seabed floor in the waters between Aruba and Venezuela is a very valuable bargaining tool.  iirc, it's what - like 18 miles from Aruba to Venezuela by water, and they were mapping 10 miles out?  (Don't know where I got that...somebody please correct me if its wrong!)

Quote
http://www.pdvsa.com/ (http://www.pdvsa.com/)
Petroleos de Venezuela, S.A.
Oil Sowing Plan 2005-2030
"...For the first period of this Plan, an overall investment of around $56,000 billion has been estimated between 2005 and 2012..."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 01, 2009, 02:53:10 PM
These oil reserves appear to be at least among the most important if not the most important ones in the world right now involving underwater exploration and drilling, pipelines, etc.

So even without the location of an actually awarded contract, would just being there, having a map and able to bid on everything be where it was at for companies like these?

At the least to rent or sell some equipment, jobs for professionals in this field, etc.?  I mean how would you even start to bid on anything without a map?  Could be solid rock, coral beds, etc. all over, wouldn't even have accurate depths, etc,. without a map, right?

So just being in the area has to have value and be the first step toward involvement in the latest and biggest global action in underwater enterprises in this field.

At least that is what I would think.


Yes, Anna - exactly.  We have to remember too, these guys are not the actual oil companies, it may be that they submit their bids as a service-providing subcontractor to the main bidding party as part of a bundled bid response. 

It may also be that their quotes to the oil companies aren't even included the primary Bid Response, the bid winner may take quotes and hire their subs after the contract is awarded.

Whatever, with the monies being spent, you are exactly correct that having a map of the seabed floor in the waters between Aruba and Venezuela is a very valuable bargaining tool.  iirc, it's what - like 18 miles from Aruba to Venezuela by water, and they were mapping 10 miles out?  (Don't know where I got that...somebody please correct me if its wrong!)

Quote
http://www.pdvsa.com/ (http://www.pdvsa.com/)
Petroleos de Venezuela, S.A.
Oil Sowing Plan 2005-2030
"...For the first period of this Plan, an overall investment of around $56,000 billion has been estimated between 2005 and 2012..."

We may have to let things shake out over time but the motives of the Persistence endeavor will be brought to the light!I still would love to know what Mermis actual reasons were for going to Venezuela??? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 01, 2009, 02:59:48 PM
I don't remember this being posted, forgive me if it's a repeat.

http://www.arubatoday.com/

(http://www.arubatoday.com/images/stories/2009/februari/27/us1.jpg)

(http://www.arubatoday.com/images/stories/2009/februari/27/us2.jpg)

U.S. Marshals visit Aruba’s Prime Minister 

Local News 
Friday, 27 February 2009 
 
ORANJESTAD – On Thursday morning, the Prime Minister of Aruba Nelson Oduber received a courtesy visit from two U.S. Marshals from the Police Force of New York and New Jersey.  U.S. Marshal Ron Sepe and his wife together with U.S. Marshal Alan Sierchio and his wife visited the Prime Minister’s office accompanied by Richard Kramers of the Aruban Police Department.
The Marshals brought U.S. Marshal flannel and cap a souvenirs for P.M. Oduber who in turn gave each Marshal a symbol of Aruba’s freedom.   The Marshals and their families are enjoying their stay on our “dushi” and island of Aruba


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 01, 2009, 03:14:09 PM
I don't remember this being posted, forgive me if it's a repeat.

http://www.arubatoday.com/

(http://www.arubatoday.com/images/stories/2009/februari/27/us1.jpg)

(http://www.arubatoday.com/images/stories/2009/februari/27/us2.jpg)

U.S. Marshals visit Aruba’s Prime Minister 

Local News 
Friday, 27 February 2009 
 
ORANJESTAD – On Thursday morning, the Prime Minister of Aruba Nelson Oduber received a courtesy visit from two U.S. Marshals from the Police Force of New York and New Jersey.  U.S. Marshal Ron Sepe and his wife together with U.S. Marshal Alan Sierchio and his wife visited the Prime Minister’s office accompanied by Richard Kramers of the Aruban Police Department.
The Marshals brought U.S. Marshal flannel and cap a souvenirs for P.M. Oduber who in turn gave each Marshal a symbol of Aruba’s freedom.   The Marshals and their families are enjoying their stay on our “dushi” and island of Aruba

::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: WTF!?!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 01, 2009, 03:24:44 PM
Gas drilling close to Aruba 14 November 2008
ORANJESTAD - Venezuela and Russia have started with mutual drillings for gas in sea. One of the fields where they are gong to drill, Cardón III, lies close to Aruba.  The Venezuelan company PdVSA and the Russian Gazprom do the exploitation. Almost 190 Venezuelans, Russians, and Americans work on the project Venezuela and Russia close to Aruba.The idea is that also the American Chevron-Texaco participates actively in the project, which is something that Venezuela has promised a few years ago. Chevron-Texaco is coping with the anti-American attitude of the Chavez-government.

http://www.yellowpages-aruba.com/home/news


The link to Amigoe.com convenietly can not be found?? ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 01, 2009, 03:25:01 PM
I don't remember this being posted, forgive me if it's a repeat.

http://www.arubatoday.com/

(http://www.arubatoday.com/images/stories/2009/februari/27/us1.jpg)

(http://www.arubatoday.com/images/stories/2009/februari/27/us2.jpg)

U.S. Marshals visit Aruba’s Prime Minister 

Local News 
Friday, 27 February 2009 
 
ORANJESTAD – On Thursday morning, the Prime Minister of Aruba Nelson Oduber received a courtesy visit from two U.S. Marshals from the Police Force of New York and New Jersey.  U.S. Marshal Ron Sepe and his wife together with U.S. Marshal Alan Sierchio and his wife visited the Prime Minister’s office accompanied by Richard Kramers of the Aruban Police Department.
The Marshals brought U.S. Marshal flannel and cap a souvenirs for P.M. Oduber who in turn gave each Marshal a symbol of Aruba’s freedom.   The Marshals and their families are enjoying their stay on our “dushi” and island of Aruba

::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: WTF!?!
Surely these two nimrods weren't on official business! Just what are "U.S. Marshalls from the Ploice Force of New York and New Jersey"???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: San on March 01, 2009, 03:30:03 PM
Yes, thank you, Monkeys.  The rain has stoppedand we have a blanket of snow everywhere.  I slopped and mopped water and DH and a friend dug out around the perimeter of the house to allow water to escape.  It's very cold out there and it's been snowing since about 4 a.m. and its still coming down but I expect soon the sun will come out and melt the snow and then we can have insurance adjusters and contractors assess and start on our problem. 

After 27 hours of being under a tornado warning, constantly and a flooded house, the snow was a relief but to have it go will also be a relief so we can figure out what happened and what to do.

DON'T FORGET THE MOVIE ON LMN APRIL 19 NATALEE HOLLOWAY.  I KNOW IT'S EARLY, THAT'S SIX WEEKS AWAY BUT JUST SO EVERONE CAN PLAN AHEAD.

Hi guys!!  It's good to see you, Tyler!! I rarely post here because I'm afraid I don't have much to contribute, but I read, and all of you just amaze me! I don't know about the movie...........

What's LMN?

Lifetime Movie Network.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 01, 2009, 03:31:56 PM

We may have to let things shake out over time but the motives of the Persistence endeavor will be brought to the light!I still would love to know what Mermis actual reasons were for going to Venezuela??? ::MonkeyCool::

I want to know too, Ktf!!   And we can't really pinpoint when he went until we pinpoint what projects were on the table that they might have been interested in.

If Mermis was traveling to Venezuela before Schaefer volunteered for the search, then we have further proof of Schaefer's  motives for calling Dave.  If it was after, the questions change - but to me do still exist depending on when.  Possible, if not probable, that if it was afterward it could even turn out to be related to the expansion of the search grid to 10 miles out.

We've got 2 blatant lies by Kyle so far related to protecting Silvetti.  First, that he's not the guy pictured in the red shirt, and second, that UE was dissolved.  So I'm certainly looking at Kyle's statements with a jaded eye as it relates to protecting anyone providing his source of income.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: San on March 01, 2009, 03:32:23 PM
I don't remember this being posted, forgive me if it's a repeat.

http://www.arubatoday.com/

(http://www.arubatoday.com/images/stories/2009/februari/27/us1.jpg)

(http://www.arubatoday.com/images/stories/2009/februari/27/us2.jpg)

U.S. Marshals visit Aruba’s Prime Minister 

Local News 
Friday, 27 February 2009 
 
ORANJESTAD – On Thursday morning, the Prime Minister of Aruba Nelson Oduber received a courtesy visit from two U.S. Marshals from the Police Force of New York and New Jersey.  U.S. Marshal Ron Sepe and his wife together with U.S. Marshal Alan Sierchio and his wife visited the Prime Minister’s office accompanied by Richard Kramers of the Aruban Police Department.
The Marshals brought U.S. Marshal flannel and cap a souvenirs for P.M. Oduber who in turn gave each Marshal a symbol of Aruba’s freedom.   The Marshals and their families are enjoying their stay on our “dushi” and island of Aruba


How about he give Natalee Holloway her freedom and release her body from that POS island.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 01, 2009, 03:37:09 PM

We may have to let things shake out over time but the motives of the Persistence endeavor will be brought to the light!I still would love to know what Mermis actual reasons were for going to Venezuela??? ::MonkeyCool::

I want to know too, Ktf!!   And we can't really pinpoint when he went until we pinpoint what projects were on the table that they might have been interested in.

If Mermis was traveling to Venezuela before Schaefer volunteered for the search, then we have further proof of Schaefer's  motives for calling Dave.  If it was after, the questions change - but to me do still exist depending on when.  Possible, if not probable, that if it was afterward it could even turn out to be related to the expansion of the search grid to 10 miles out.

We've got 2 blatant lies by Kyle so far related to protecting Silvetti.  First, that he's not the guy pictured in the red shirt, and second, that UE was dissolved.  So I'm certainly looking at Kyle's statements with a jaded eye as it relates to protecting anyone providing his source of income.


A picture will emerge.We must keep our eyes open!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 01, 2009, 03:38:42 PM
Gas drilling close to Aruba 14 November 2008
ORANJESTAD - Venezuela and Russia have started with mutual drillings for gas in sea. One of the fields where they are gong to drill, Cardón III, lies close to Aruba.  The Venezuelan company PdVSA and the Russian Gazprom do the exploitation. Almost 190 Venezuelans, Russians, and Americans work on the project Venezuela and Russia close to Aruba.The idea is that also the American Chevron-Texaco participates actively in the project, which is something that Venezuela has promised a few years ago. Chevron-Texaco is coping with the anti-American attitude of the Chavez-government.

http://www.yellowpages-aruba.com/home/news


The link to Amigoe.com convenietly can not be found?? ::MonkeyNoNo::

Nice!  Chevron was the American company, I think, that got part of the Delta Carribean project from PDVSA.  Let me see if I can find it again...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 01, 2009, 03:51:27 PM
Gas drilling close to Aruba 14 November 2008
ORANJESTAD - Venezuela and Russia have started with mutual drillings for gas in sea. One of the fields where they are gong to drill, Cardón III, lies close to Aruba.  The Venezuelan company PdVSA and the Russian Gazprom do the exploitation. Almost 190 Venezuelans, Russians, and Americans work on the project Venezuela and Russia close to Aruba.The idea is that also the American Chevron-Texaco participates actively in the project, which is something that Venezuela has promised a few years ago. Chevron-Texaco is coping with the anti-American attitude of the Chavez-government.

http://www.yellowpages-aruba.com/home/news


The link to Amigoe.com convenietly can not be found?? ::MonkeyNoNo::


President Chavez has also announced the Petroandina Initiative, which includes the building of an oil pipeline from Venezuela to the Pacific Ocean. The pipeline will traverse Colombia. This will allow Venezuela to gain greater access to Asian Markets by making oil transport faster and lowering freight costs.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/353428/venezuela_the_new_saudi_arabia_an_industrialinfocom_news_alert/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 01, 2009, 03:54:26 PM
Surely these two nimrods weren't on official business! Just what are "U.S. Marshalls from the Ploice Force of New York and New Jersey"???


Yeah, Federal Marshalls from NY/NJ Police Force.

They don't understand our system.  No such thing.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 01, 2009, 03:58:38 PM
I don't remember this being posted, forgive me if it's a repeat.

http://www.arubatoday.com/

(http://www.arubatoday.com/images/stories/2009/februari/27/us1.jpg)

(http://www.arubatoday.com/images/stories/2009/februari/27/us2.jpg)

U.S. Marshals visit Aruba’s Prime Minister 

Local News 
Friday, 27 February 2009 
 
ORANJESTAD – On Thursday morning, the Prime Minister of Aruba Nelson Oduber received a courtesy visit from two U.S. Marshals from the Police Force of New York and New Jersey.  U.S. Marshal Ron Sepe and his wife together with U.S. Marshal Alan Sierchio and his wife visited the Prime Minister’s office accompanied by Richard Kramers of the Aruban Police Department.
The Marshals brought U.S. Marshal flannel and cap a souvenirs for P.M. Oduber who in turn gave each Marshal a symbol of Aruba’s freedom.   The Marshals and their families are enjoying their stay on our “dushi” and island of Aruba

::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: WTF!?!
Surely these two nimrods weren't on official business! Just what are "U.S. Marshalls from the Ploice Force of New York and New Jersey"???
Daury and Ramona Rodriguez are both still in New Jersey jails and I think that there was another big drug bust in New York having to do with another Rodriguez......hmmmm...I wonder if someone in jail is doing some talking.....   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 01, 2009, 04:00:58 PM
Lot's of intersting angles to keep our eyes on!OIL,DRUGS,MONEY-LAUNDERING,HOTELS and HUMAN TRAFFICKING..ONE HAPPY ISLAND!!! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 01, 2009, 04:02:58 PM
Gas drilling close to Aruba 14 November 2008
ORANJESTAD - Venezuela and Russia have started with mutual drillings for gas in sea. One of the fields where they are gong to drill, Cardón III, lies close to Aruba.  The Venezuelan company PdVSA and the Russian Gazprom do the exploitation. Almost 190 Venezuelans, Russians, and Americans work on the project Venezuela and Russia close to Aruba.The idea is that also the American Chevron-Texaco participates actively in the project, which is something that Venezuela has promised a few years ago. Chevron-Texaco is coping with the anti-American attitude of the Chavez-government.

http://www.yellowpages-aruba.com/home/news


The link to Amigoe.com convenietly can not be found?? ::MonkeyNoNo::


President Chavez has also announced the Petroandina Initiative, which includes the building of an oil pipeline from Venezuela to the Pacific Ocean. The pipeline will traverse Colombia. This will allow Venezuela to gain greater access to Asian Markets by making oil transport faster and lowering freight costs.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/353428/venezuela_the_new_saudi_arabia_an_industrialinfocom_news_alert/




CARACAS, VENEZUELA: Venezuela's state oil company PDVSA and Russia's Gazprom today began drilling the first offshore well in the Gulf of Venezuela, President Hugo Chávez announced, according to a report from state news agency ABN.

http://www.energycurrent.com/?id=2&storyid=14209


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 01, 2009, 04:22:39 PM
I don't remember this being posted, forgive me if it's a repeat.

http://www.arubatoday.com/

(http://www.arubatoday.com/images/stories/2009/februari/27/us1.jpg)

(http://www.arubatoday.com/images/stories/2009/februari/27/us2.jpg)

U.S. Marshals visit Aruba’s Prime Minister 

Local News 
Friday, 27 February 2009 
 
ORANJESTAD – On Thursday morning, the Prime Minister of Aruba Nelson Oduber received a courtesy visit from two U.S. Marshals from the Police Force of New York and New Jersey.  U.S. Marshal Ron Sepe and his wife together with U.S. Marshal Alan Sierchio and his wife visited the Prime Minister’s office accompanied by Richard Kramers of the Aruban Police Department.
The Marshals brought U.S. Marshal flannel and cap a souvenirs for P.M. Oduber who in turn gave each Marshal a symbol of Aruba’s freedom.   The Marshals and their families are enjoying their stay on our “dushi” and island of Aruba

::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: WTF!?!
Surely these two nimrods weren't on official business! Just what are "U.S. Marshalls from the Ploice Force of New York and New Jersey"???

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I doubt very seriously they were there on official business (with the wives?). 

My guess is they were just making sure they got a free/cheap/lots of perks vacation in Aruba!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

When I googled them I came up with the Italian American Police Society of New Jersey.

Check out the Italian American Police Society of New Jersey's website.  In their photo gallery click on Aruba 2006, there are over 40 pics of a trip several made with their families to Aruba.  Looks like they got the red carpet treatment, complete with official Polis vehicles carting their luggage, Polis tour bus, etc.  Here's a couple of the photos. 

http://www.iapsnj.org/

http://www.iapsnj.org/photos.htm

http://www.iapsnj.org/photos/2006Aruba/


Dompig
(http://www.iapsnj.org/photos/2006Aruba/Commissioner%20Dompig.JPG)

Bernadina with his "friendship" award

(http://www.iapsnj.org/photos/2006Aruba/Commissioner.JPG)


Infuriating!  What about Natalee?????   ::MonkeyWaa::

Where have I seen the dark haired guy (Ron Sepe?) before?  I know I've seen him in relation to Natalee's case before.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 01, 2009, 04:24:23 PM

http://www.pdvsa.com/index.php?tpl=interface.en/design/readsearch.tpl.html&newsid_obj_id=2959&newsid_temas=0

Delta Caribe Project areas attract interest of 13 companies
22-08-2006

 
A total of 13 companies from 12 countries showed their interest in taking part in the development of natural  gas production in the La Blanquilla and Punta Pescador areas of the Delta Caribe Project, by purchasing the corresponding technical information packages from the Energy and Petroleum Ministry, this Tuesday.

Hydrocarbons vice-minister Bernard Mommer chaired the participating companies’ registration ceremony and handed over copies of the technical data pack to representatives of Anglo-Dutch Shell; Brazil’s Petrobras, Teikoku  and Mitsubishi of Japan; France’s Total; Chevron of the US; Russia’s Lukoil; Hocol of the UK;  Italy’s Eni; ONGC of India; Statoil, of Norway; and Vinccler Oil of Canada.

Each company paid 350,000 dollars for the purchase of the technical material containing geochemical, gravimetric, geological, seismic and geodesic information on the La Blanquilla area, located  northwest of the State of Nueva Esparta, and Punta Pescador, north of the State of Delta Amacuro.

The data package includes 19 magnetic tapes on the La Blanquilla area,  containing 19,287 kilometers of 2D seismic and 1,800 square kilometers of 3D seismic, while the Punta Pescador area is covered by five magnetic tapes with 2,251 kilometers of 2D seismic and 620 square kilometers of 3D seismic. The package also includes profiles and logs on 11 wells in both areas, information on production and reserves, as well as on occupational health, industrial and environmental safety, the license model, the bases for the company selection process, and the presentations.

All 13 of the company representatives had the opportunity to attend a session containing three detailed technical presentations on the four blocks considered for the development of non-associated natural gas production, with the basic aim of meeting Venezuela’s internal market needs.

===================================================================
 
Venezuela to Resume Offshore E&P Gas Licensing     
  BNamericas      Thursday, January 25, 2007 

http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=40457

Venezuela's government will resume the Delta Caribe offshore natural gas E&P licensing process this year, awarding some blocks in 2007, PDVSA Gas president Felix Rodriguez told BNamericas.
"[Delta Caribe] is part of the state's strategic policy and is being handled by the energy and oil ministry. There are some blocks going out and some are on the backburner," Rodriguez said.

Delta Caribe, originally due to be awarded November 28, includes three blocks near La Blanquilla Island and a fourth between the Orinoco river delta and Trinidad & Tobago.

The government delayed bidding in light of the December 2006 presidential elections.
The government invited 34 companies to participate in the auction, of which 13 paid for rights to take part.

The 13 are: Anglo-Dutch Shell (NYSE: RDS-B); Brazil's Petrobras (NYSE: PBR); Japan's Teikoku and Mitsubishi; France's Total (NYSE: TOT); US major Chevron (NYSE: CVX); Russia's Lukoil; Hocol; Italy's ENI (NYSE: E); India's ONGC; Spain's Repsol YPF (NYSE: REP); Norway's Statoil (NYSE: STA); and Vinccler, the Venezuelan unit of Canada's PetroFalcon (TSX: PFC).

PDVSA Gas is a subsidiary of Venezuela's state oil company PDVSA

===================================================================

Eight agreements to foster the Delta Caribe Oriental project are signed
19-09-2008

 
Caracas.- In an act held this Friday in the Miraflores Palace Petróleos de Venezuela, S. A. (PDVSA) signed eight framework agreements to build Natural Gas transportation and liquefaction trains for the Delta Caribe Oriental project together with companies from Qatar, the United States, Japan, Italy and Malaysia, among others, for a total estimated investment 19.6 billion dollars.

The first of the liquefaction trains will have an annual capacity of 4.7 million tons, and a gas pipeline to transport liquefied petroleum gas. It will receive its feed from the Deltana Platform.  The export destination will be the markets of South America, Europe, the Caribbean, and Asia. The conceptual engineering will start at the end of this year, and its completion and startup is estimated for 2013, with an investment of 6.4 billion dollars.

In this project PDVSA will have 60% of the shares; Galp Energía, from Portugal, 15%; Chevron, from the United States, 10%; Qatar Petroleum, 10% and the Mitsubishi-Mitsui consortium, from Japan, 5%.
 
The construction of the second liquefaction train will end in 2013, with an annual capacity of 4.7 million tons. It will receive feed from the second phase of the Mariscal Sucre project, developed 100% by PDVSA, with an investment of 5.2 billion dollars. The share distribution is: PDVSA, 60%; Enarsa, of Argentina, 10%; Galp, of Portugal, 15%; the Mitsubishi-Mitsui consortium, 5%; and Itochu, 10 %, the latter two from Japan.

Likewise, a memorandum of understanding was signed to exploit and produce natural gas in the Blanquilla and Tortuga off-shore fields, to be liquefied in Train No. 3 which includes three phases: prospecting, risk exploration, and economic evaluation. The expected investment will be 5.7 billion dollars, and the works will start in 2009 and end in 2016. PDVSA will have 60% of the shares; Energías de Portugal (EDP), 5%; Gazprom, from Russia, 15%; ENI, from Italy, 10%; and Petronas, from Malaysia, 10%.

These projects are part of the Oil Planting Plan, through which Venezuela will go from eighth to fourth place in proven gas reserves in the world.  By 2012 our country will complete the certification of proven reserves of 11.5 billion cubic feet.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 01, 2009, 04:32:08 PM
Yes, thank you, Monkeys.  The rain has stoppedand we have a blanket of snow everywhere.  I slopped and mopped water and DH and a friend dug out around the perimeter of the house to allow water to escape.  It's very cold out there and it's been snowing since about 4 a.m. and its still coming down but I expect soon the sun will come out and melt the snow and then we can have insurance adjusters and contractors assess and start on our problem. 

After 27 hours of being under a tornado warning, constantly and a flooded house, the snow was a relief but to have it go will also be a relief so we can figure out what happened and what to do.

DON'T FORGET THE MOVIE ON LMN APRIL 19 NATALEE HOLLOWAY.  I KNOW IT'S EARLY, THAT'S SIX WEEKS AWAY BUT JUST SO EVERONE CAN PLAN AHEAD.

Hi guys!!  It's good to see you, Tyler!! I rarely post here because I'm afraid I don't have much to contribute, but I read, and all of you just amaze me! I don't know about the movie...........

What's LMN?

Lifetime Movie Network.

Thank you, San!!!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 01, 2009, 04:38:16 PM
Well, if they are posing as Federal Marshalls, that's illegal.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 01, 2009, 04:55:57 PM
I don't get LMN  ::MonkeyWaa:: Perhaps my sister will tape it 4 me.  ::MonkeyDance:: Sometimes after LMN runs a Movie, it will play later on Lifetime TV, television for Women who Hate Men  ::MonkeyWink:: I get Lifetime tv  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 01, 2009, 04:58:47 PM
I don't get LMN  ::MonkeyWaa:: Perhaps my sister will tape it 4 me.  ::MonkeyDance:: Sometimes after LMN runs a Movie, it will play later on Lifetime TV, television for Women who Hate Men   ::MonkeyWink:: I get Lifetime tv  ::cartwheel::
::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tylergal on March 01, 2009, 05:17:49 PM
Nut, there are some very violent movies on that channel.  I wondered about it when watching and some of the violent ones are women.  I will enjoy (I think) knowing they did a movie to bring attention to Natalee just in time (April) when everyone is thinking about heading to warm, sunny skies of Aruba, just as a little warning of what can happen there.

P.S.  Is there Bernadino with the nice chambray shorts?   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 01, 2009, 05:24:07 PM
Nut, there are some very violent movies on that channel.  I wondered about it when watching and some of the violent ones are women.  I will enjoy (I think) knowing they did a movie to bring attention to Natalee just in time (April) when everyone is thinking about heading to warm, sunny skies of Aruba, just as a little warning of what can happen there.

P.S.  Is there Bernadino with the nice chambray shorts?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: No Tyler, that's Bill Schievella he was probably the one that presented the plaque; Bernadina is to the right of him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 01, 2009, 05:30:48 PM
Nut, there are some very violent movies on that channel.  I wondered about it when watching and some of the violent ones are women.  I will enjoy (I think) knowing they did a movie to bring attention to Natalee just in time (April) when everyone is thinking about heading to warm, sunny skies of Aruba, just as a little warning of what can happen there.

P.S.  Is there Bernadino with the nice chambray shorts?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I KNOW......and I miss them all!!  ::MonkeyWaa:: :smt091 :smt092


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 01, 2009, 05:34:37 PM
Nut, there are some very violent movies on that channel.  I wondered about it when watching and some of the violent ones are women.  I will enjoy (I think) knowing they did a movie to bring attention to Natalee just in time (April) when everyone is thinking about heading to warm, sunny skies of Aruba, just as a little warning of what can happen there.

P.S.  Is there Bernadino with the nice chambray shorts?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: No Tyler, that's Bill Schievella he was probably the one that presented the plaque; Bernadina is to the right of him.

http://www.ipa-usa.org/associate-secretaries1.php

Associate Secretaries A - H
When traveling to another IPA section, you must make contact through the United States Section Associate Secretary. You must obtain a travel form from your Regional Secretary which must be forwarded to that Associate Secretary. Please DO NOT contact the section directly for assistance as they have no way to verify your membership information. If you have difficulty in contacting the Associate Secretary for the country you wish to visit, please contact First Vice President for assistance.


ARUBA
William Schievella


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 01, 2009, 06:00:02 PM
I don't get LMN  ::MonkeyWaa:: Perhaps my sister will tape it 4 me.  ::MonkeyDance:: Sometimes after LMN runs a Movie, it will play later on Lifetime TV, television for Women who Hate Men  ::MonkeyWink:: I get Lifetime tv  ::cartwheel::


Nut, I think it is the same outfit.  Lifetime Movie Network and just plain Lifetime TV?

So I am sure it will be on both.

And this will be the biggest thing to happen in this case in a long time.  Should get lots of publicity going again.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 01, 2009, 06:13:10 PM
Yeah!! and YEAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JUSTICE 4 NATALEeeeeeeee


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: bastibro on March 01, 2009, 06:20:17 PM
I don't get LMN  ::MonkeyWaa:: Perhaps my sister will tape it 4 me.  ::MonkeyDance:: Sometimes after LMN runs a Movie, it will play later on Lifetime TV, television for Women who Hate Men  ::MonkeyWink:: I get Lifetime tv  ::cartwheel::


Nut, I think it is the same outfit.  Lifetime Movie Network and just plain Lifetime TV?

So I am sure it will be on both.

And this will be the biggest thing to happen in this case in a long time.  Should get lots of publicity going again.



AMEN !  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 01, 2009, 06:36:56 PM
Janet is back! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

I have missed you a whole lot.

Could we please have a reminder?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 01, 2009, 06:52:29 PM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/ThreadLock4.gif)

THIS REMINDER???

WB Janetttt


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 01, 2009, 07:01:52 PM
Hey Janet.....Welcome Back...I know You are probably back in the thread reading and trying to catch up.....I'll BBL!


 ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 01, 2009, 07:02:43 PM

Speaking of lightbulb moments...what's up with this?

12/25/2007
Trap found.  Per oceanexploration (Kyle Kingman):  “The trap in Video 1-3 was found from the first conducted ROV dive.  I found the target at 1:46 am on Christmas morning.  It was my #1 ranked priority target and therefore the first of the ROV dive series.”

Tues 25-Dec 0140 hrs
To the family and loved ones of the search team and crew of the Persistence:
Words can not express our longing to be with our families over Christmas and the void we all feel. The contact we receive from loved ones through phone calls and emails does provide a diminutive sense of normalcy and solace. We take comfort in knowing life goes on back home in our absence and that this project will eventually come to an end, returning us safely to our families. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts for your continuous prayers, love, and support throughout this project. Loved ones are always on our minds which helps us maintain an unwavering focus and determination to complete this project with success, knowing that in success we shall return.

From the search team and crew of the Persistence to all:
Thank you dearly for your love, support, and prayers both for the search effort and the Holloway family. We hope that during this Christmas season you will stand witness and understand the true Christmas story which has been told and retold in varies forms throughout history. True love never fails and gracefully proves itself strong through sacrifice. We consider ourselves honored to use our God-given gifts and resources to this cause. From all of us, have a wonderful, safe, and merry Christmas.

The search is amidst perhaps the most difficult phase. The excitement and energy of the beginning has waned, yet the end is still on the horizon. We will persevere and give this wonderful vessel reason for it's namesake.


That was a busy six minutes for Kyle Kingman, eh?

And another one...just found this:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.msg554268#msg554268 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.msg554268#msg554268)
 Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #777 11/21/08 thru

oceanexploration
November 23, 2008, 11:31:18 AM

I found the trap sonar target at 1:42 am on Christmas morning.  I was asked if I had any targets to investigate with the ROV on Dev 29th.  I did.  We then performed the 1st ROV dive and confirmed the sonar target was the trap.  This was the first ROV dive performed.  No other dives were performed prior to this.  I kept the sonar target list very confidential.  I didn't need people knowing about it and people on board knew well enough not even to ask.  When it was time to dive I have the target location. Until then, it was kept confidential.

==================================

Welcome back, Janet!   ::MonkeyDance::  We missed you!

How was the Lion King?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 01, 2009, 07:34:04 PM
Janet is back! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

I have missed you a whole lot.

Could we please have a reminder?

Hi Magnolia

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I have just got up with reading.  In regards to all the research ... all I can say is WOW!!  The timeline that is emerging is so revealing in regards to John Silvetti, Tim Trahan and Louis Schaffer.  They are one in regards to the almighty dollar and ... they have no scrupples.

The Persistence undertaking may have been deceptively two fold but ... I still claim that until the ROV images of December 29th were revealed ... the ROV images that Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller were so excited about ... John Silvetti's intentions were to return Natalee Holloway's remain to her family ... to her country ... if discovered.

However ... as Tim Miller revealed ... it was at this point that the Arubans became involved and ... a meeting on board the Persistence determine that a thumbs down sign would be where it was at on the December 30th Dateline dive.

I believe with all my heart that at the meeting of December 30th with the Arubans ...  John Silvetti, Tim Trahan and (Louis Schaefer) made a pact with the devils who had prevented justice from prevailing since the getgo and ... that pact implyied a betrayal of Natalee Holloway and her family.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 01, 2009, 07:39:12 PM
....and the review of the Lion King?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 01, 2009, 07:41:21 PM
Well, well.

This is just done with Google - maybe ceasu could give us a better translation.

BUT - if I am reading this correctly, it DOES look like the port is going to AMERICAN COMPANIES


portMet the president of employers association ATIA, Juan David Irausquin is
discussed the plans for the new port, Nos Aruba 2025
(future) and the economic outlook for Aruba in the light of
credit crisis.

Irausquin, in March the gavel that he and Vice President
is, last week the MEP Group of the States a presentation
on the economic impact of moving the port. He
outlined the ignorance of the Group on the costs to move
entails Thursday to know what the yield will be. There is
never an economic impact study performed. The effect of the movement
for infrastructure, employment etc were unknown quantities
for the Co-Parliamentarians. Typical was the statement of one of them:
why are you (Irausquin) against the movement if your car only
but benefit from it. Similarly, the observation of another Statenlid that this
no debate in the States because you do not publicly your brother when you fall
home quarrel with him have. The Statenleden indicated not to be aware of
discussions between the government and the Spanish group of investors.

Parliament is not adequately informed. The presentation to the MEP
was the result of presentations to parliamentarians, trade unions, political
parties and officials.
About the impact of the global financial crisis, the
President employers are not too much worry. The group of Americans
Aruba is aimed at is generally feasible enough.  
Expenditure to
site will probably decline in tourist accommodation.

http://www.nrc.nl/multimedia/archive/00205/week_3_1__205580a.pdf


BUMP

I wanted to bump this before the thread ended...can someone who knows how quote Jen's post to the next thread so that hopefully caesu will see it?

I've read this several times, and I still can't figure out if they mean Americans working on the port project or American tourists still coming despite the construction ("aimed at" equaling the recent ad blitz with that comedian...can't remember his name just now).

I think it's important because if they mean the port project itself, then we can quit looking for other incentives and dig further into just this one and the Aruban "contacts" Silvetti was referring to in his comments to Kyle.

TIA!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 01, 2009, 07:46:15 PM

Speaking of lightbulb moments...what's up with this?

12/25/2007
Trap found.  Per oceanexploration (Kyle Kingman):  “The trap in Video 1-3 was found from the first conducted ROV dive.  I found the target at 1:46 am on Christmas morning.  It was my #1 ranked priority target and therefore the first of the ROV dive series.”

Tues 25-Dec 0140 hrs
To the family and loved ones of the search team and crew of the Persistence:
Words can not express our longing to be with our families over Christmas and the void we all feel. The contact we receive from loved ones through phone calls and emails does provide a diminutive sense of normalcy and solace. We take comfort in knowing life goes on back home in our absence and that this project will eventually come to an end, returning us safely to our families. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts for your continuous prayers, love, and support throughout this project. Loved ones are always on our minds which helps us maintain an unwavering focus and determination to complete this project with success, knowing that in success we shall return.

From the search team and crew of the Persistence to all:
Thank you dearly for your love, support, and prayers both for the search effort and the Holloway family. We hope that during this Christmas season you will stand witness and understand the true Christmas story which has been told and retold in varies forms throughout history. True love never fails and gracefully proves itself strong through sacrifice. We consider ourselves honored to use our God-given gifts and resources to this cause. From all of us, have a wonderful, safe, and merry Christmas.

The search is amidst perhaps the most difficult phase. The excitement and energy of the beginning has waned, yet the end is still on the horizon. We will persevere and give this wonderful vessel reason for it's namesake.


That was a busy six minutes for Kyle Kingman, eh?

And another one...just found this:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.msg554268#msg554268 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.msg554268#msg554268)
 Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #777 11/21/08 thru

oceanexploration
November 23, 2008, 11:31:18 AM

I found the trap sonar target at 1:42 am on Christmas morning.  I was asked if I had any targets to investigate with the ROV on Dev 29th.  I did.  We then performed the 1st ROV dive and confirmed the sonar target was the trap.  This was the first ROV dive performed.  No other dives were performed prior to this.  I kept the sonar target list very confidential.  I didn't need people knowing about it and people on board knew well enough not even to ask.  When it was time to dive I have the target location. Until then, it was kept confidential.

==================================

Welcome back, Janet!   ::MonkeyDance::  We missed you!

How was the Lion King?


Thank you Lifesong.

Until this morning ... the entire trip went as planned... good company ... lots of fun.  The weather was so-so but no complaints  There was no snow ... no ice.  During the night one of the ladies in our group came down with a flu ... so the rest of us all had devotions in one of the rooms and ... headed home rather than attending a nearby church as planned.  The lineup at the border was short and ... did not take long.

I am wiped.  I do not know why a long drive can be so tiring ... ever when you are not the driver.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 01, 2009, 08:04:40 PM
Janet is back! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

I have missed you a whole lot.

Could we please have a reminder?

Hi Magnolia

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I have just got up with reading.  In regards to all the research ... all I can say is WOW!!  The timeline that is emerging is so revealing in regards to John Silvetti, Tim Trahan and Louis Schaffer.  They are one in regards to the almighty dollar and ... they have no scrupples.

The Persistence undertaking may have been deceptively two fold but ... I still claim that until the ROV images of December 29th were revealed ... the ROV images that Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller were so excited about ... John Silvetti's intentions were to return Natalee Holloway's remain to her family ... to her country ... if discovered.

However ... as Tim Miller revealed ... it was at this point that the Arubans became involved and ... a meeting on board the Persistence determine that a thumbs down sign would be where it was at on the December 30th Dateline dive.

I believe with all my heart that at the meeting of December 30th with the Arubans ...  John Silvetti, Tim Trahan and (Louis Schaefer) made a pact with the devils who had prevented justice from prevailing since the getgo and ... that pact implyied a betrayal of Natalee Holloway and her family.

Janet


Janet!!!!! You're back!  Thank goodness! ::MonkeyDance::  ::cartwheel::  ::MonkeyDance::

You have been missed!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: San on March 01, 2009, 08:13:47 PM
Nut do you have the thread change or do you want me to do it?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 01, 2009, 08:17:17 PM
Nut do you have the thread change or do you want me to do it?

I'll do it...been waiting all day, LOL!! I just hope it doesn't take all night, lol.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 01, 2009, 08:19:01 PM
We had snow last night...a rare occurrence in Alabama.
We had about 3 inches here, but it is all gone now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 01, 2009, 08:20:07 PM
I am trying to help by telling about our snow. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 01, 2009, 08:21:12 PM
We had snow last night...a rare occurrence in Alabama.
We had about 3 inches here, but it is all gone now.

Wow Magnolia!  I bet it was pretty!  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: San on March 01, 2009, 08:21:36 PM
Nut do you have the thread change or do you want me to do it?

I'll do it...been waiting all day, LOL!! I just hope it doesn't take all night, lol.

I don't think it will.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: San on March 01, 2009, 08:22:25 PM
We had snow last night...a rare occurrence in Alabama.
We had about 3 inches here, but it is all gone now.

We are suppose to get between 12-14 inches of snow.

Now let's see go to work or stay home.  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 01, 2009, 08:22:41 PM
Almost all my snow melted!  It was real slushy and wouldn't even make a snowball. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 01, 2009, 08:23:05 PM
I should go ask all the Caylee posters to come over here for a couple seconds...that should get us there!!
 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 01, 2009, 08:23:23 PM
We had snow last night...a rare occurrence in Alabama.
We had about 3 inches here, but it is all gone now.

Wow Magnolia!  I bet it was pretty!  

It was ever os lovely.  My dog had never seen snow and he was quite taken with it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: San on March 01, 2009, 08:23:47 PM
Almost all my snow melted!  It was real slushy and wouldn't even make a snowball. 

We had a little this morning but that melted already.  Just waiting for the big storm now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: San on March 01, 2009, 08:24:20 PM
I should go ask all the Caylee posters to come over here for a couple seconds...that should get us there!!
 ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 01, 2009, 08:25:24 PM
We had snow last night...a rare occurrence in Alabama.
We had about 3 inches here, but it is all gone now.

We are suppose to get between 12-14 inches of snow.

Now let's see go to work or stay home.  ::cartwheel::

If you go to work, be sure to wear your hat and keep the flaps down.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: San on March 01, 2009, 08:25:31 PM
At least I have my new hat for the snow  ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks Magnolia  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: San on March 01, 2009, 08:26:05 PM
We had snow last night...a rare occurrence in Alabama.
We had about 3 inches here, but it is all gone now.

We are suppose to get between 12-14 inches of snow.

Now let's see go to work or stay home.  ::cartwheel::

If you go to work, be sure to wear your hat and keep the flaps down.

You beat me to it  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 01, 2009, 08:27:17 PM
Almost all my snow melted!  It was real slushy and wouldn't even make a snowball. 

Mine is totally gone, but it is really cold.   burrrrr!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: San on March 01, 2009, 08:27:27 PM
Let's all post like mad and see how fast Nut can lock the cage.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 01, 2009, 08:27:47 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kejr3j.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 01, 2009, 08:29:15 PM
Ya'll had me worried, didn't think I was going to get it in!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 01, 2009, 08:30:01 PM
That new LTM Movie is really going to tick off Aruba, lol.

Good!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 01, 2009, 08:30:09 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kejr3j.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!!!!

We'll never give up!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 01, 2009, 08:30:10 PM
Almost all my snow melted!  It was real slushy and wouldn't even make a snowball. 

We had a little this morning but that melted already.  Just waiting for the big storm now.

It sucks......we still have 5' on the effin ground w/ snow banks at 9'. Snowing again tonight...no place to put it.....sick of it.  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 01, 2009, 08:30:30 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/moderator%20pics/MODLOCK1.gif)

Please move to NCD# 804

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4617.0