Scared Monkeys Discussion Forum

TaDa.....I am first, even if I did cheat!!!  Thanks, San!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

Welcome  ::MonkeyCool::

I'm watching Dancing with the Stars also.

That's o.k. Magnolia; you deserve to be first!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Phew....I didn't know we had gotten to 50.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Did I hear right that the rejected girl from the Batchelor is going
to be a contestant?

Yes, she's replacing Jewel or the other girl that has injuries. 

It is not OK.  I cheated!       But it sure was fun. ::cartwheel::

Out of love for the couple ... out of concern for their safety ... you could include in their weddy care the link to Beth Holloway's website ... Safe Travels Foundation.

 ::MonkeyWink::

Janet

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www.safetravelsfoundation.org.

edit

Also ... Kyle Kingsman's words that Eduardo Mansur could be the leak convinces me that Eduardo must have spent a lot of time aboard the Persistence.  A "leak" is usually in the know.

Janet

Thanks, Texasmom & Janet for your suggestions regarding the couple's honeymoon. 

I got left behind................I looked up and no one was there.  What I get for checking in on Haleigh and Caylee threads.

 :gaah: :gaah:

KTF,

You are too quiet.     ::MonkeyTongue::

Hey ... after your miraculous survival from the incident with your rolling vehicle ... you will endure.  Take all the risks you desire.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet

All you missed was Magnolia running over all of us trying to get here so she could be first.   ::MonkeyWaa::

Just kidding!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi Keepthefaith

I will be honored if you would join me in The Hinky.


(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/dancinggrandma.gif)

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Not by choice 2nj...My father and i have spent the past 6hrs trying to fix something at the store.He was getting very angry at me for trying to check in amidst the discussion that was going on?? ::MonkeyWaa::

I would be honored! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Praise the lord.Mission was not accomplished in regards to what we were trying to fix but,I'm going home.. ::cartwheel::

How is the little granddaughter's arm today?

The same thing happens at my house.  Our addiction to the Natalee Holloway case is not understood.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

I will be heading home so i can Hinky in peace with the Monkey's! ::MonkeyDance::

Here you go Janet, we'll let him fill in until KTF gets home and can join you!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Greetings/cca21d1d2e57d81562861826df427060.gif)

Thanks for asking Magnolia.

Takara Ann is just fine.  She was looking so forward to going to school this morning to show off her cast ... she was up an hour early.  Dad, Mom and brothers signed and drew pictures on her cast last night and ... today all the students in her class had their turn.  She felt like a celebrity.  The pain she felt yesterday when the fall took place has long been forgotten.

I was mistaken when I said the cast with above her elbow.  It actually ended just below the elbow.  Also there is a netted cover so the autographs, pictures and any smudges can be hidden.

Janet

It's that way here too, but if they are saying anything about it...they are whispering it where I can't hear it.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Then there are those knowing looks and eye rolling that is past between them all.  They think I do not notice.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

I know what you mean Janet.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

But they know better than to push the issue....or I will give them "the eye"!   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Well, it is hard to be judged by the dog.  He rolls his eyes at me! ::MonkeyWaa::
Then he has the audicity to want me to play ball with him and he wants to sit
all 80 lbs of himself in my lap as I read the monkey forum.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I cannot stop laughing at the image forming in my mind.

Janet

I am glad she is doing well.  It is good that the cast is below the elbow. 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

It truly happens.   ::MonkeyShocked::

Wow, AC and LindaK the newest members of GM.  Wonder when Debbie will join too?  Guess BFN is still down?  ::MonkeyCool::

Birds of a feather.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

I made the mistake of reading their latest thread over there today on Kermit.  I was totally disgusted by it.  I have never seen "supposedly" mature women act like that.  So immature.  And to have to see Johann fall under their spell it just really blows me away.  Is Kathy and Hotshot the same?  Kathy was really, really pounding on Kermit.  They just cannot read Kyle's words and defend them in any way.

Also, has Beth got a website telling where her speaking engagements are at?  If I had known she was in Nashville I would have gone to see her.

Not that I'm aware of and I just found out about the Nashville thing today myself.

There are probably lot's of Kathy's one of them is Hotshot aka Dadof1 (BFN).  I think her original nick at SM was Kath0870 or something like that.

Who is the Vicki that is at GM?  That is not the one from the Boycott Aruba is it? 
She is a sharp tongued woman.

I think it may be vms.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I had wondered if that was the case.  It sounds like vms.

TM - thanks, I hadn't thought about VMS, you are probably right!

Lou

I never said that everybody who posts at GM were "bad guys".  My post implied that I had mistakenly been under the impression that those who were despictably underminding Kermit in the "Frog Thread" were the "good guys".  Obviously ... Tamikosmom was deceived for almost four years and that makes me sad.

Lou ... please check out the thread affort to the topic of Kermit and ... then count the fingers that are pointed back at you when you accuse me of disregarding Scripture.

Janet

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Keepthefaith
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
« Reply #813 on: March 09, 2009, 04:31:31 PM »

bleachedblack, Destiny, MumInOhio, SS, katysmom, Vicki, LoRain, johan555, Sue, casa  

The Gold Monkey Line-up.....  courtesy of GM...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4633.msg711002#msg711002


Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
« Reply #819 on: March 09, 2009, 05:09:33 PM »

 ::MonkeyWaa::

This detective wannabe has been truly humbled.  I had speculated that all the above were the "good" guys.

Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4633.msg711043#msg711043


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ldstlou
Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion
« Reply #143 on: Today at 01:47:32 pm »

Janet wrote this? OK, so anyone that posts at GM is now a "bad guy". This is the same Janet that would like to spit on John Silvetti for helping Natalee's family correct?

For Janet,

Jesus Said; There is nothing that enters
a man from outside which can defile
him; but the things which come out of
him, those are the things that defile a
man.       ( Mark 7:15 *NKJV )

 Dear Janet,
     As Christians we must be careful of the words we speak,
 and keep them soft and sweet, because sometimes we can
 defile ourselves with our words.  For if we are not careful;
 Out of the same mouth proceed blessing
and cursing. My brethren, these things
ought not to be so. ( James 3:10 ) 
Therefore; Let your speech always be
with grace, seasoned with salt, that you
may know how you ought to answer each
one.                     ( Colossians 4:6 ) 

     So Janet, speak only words of kindness,
 and; speak evil of no one, to be
peaceable, gentle, showing all humility
to all men.                    ( Titus 3:2 )

   
     Finally, all of you be of one mind, having
compassion for one another; love as
brothers, be tenderhearted, be courteous;
not returning evil for evil or reviling for
reviling, but on the contrary blessing,
knowing that you were called to this,
that you may inherit a blessing.  Amen.
                        ( 1 Peter 3:8-9 )

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=887.135

TM....I just sent You an email...Its kinda of Important! TIA  ::MonkeyWink::

Hope this makes sense on one connection between Silvetti's GeoLab LLC and Petrobras through Subsea 7
Subsea 7 has the contract with Petrobras and Subsea 7 acquired a vessel from GeoLabSRL (which is one of the 5 companies of Silvetti under the name GeoLab LLC)

DP Class 1 ROV survey support and light construction vessel the DP Geo which was formally the RSV Salgueiro recently acquired from Subsea 7




GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC[/color][/u]
<snip>
The Group represents the integrated capabilities of five GeoLab Companies; GeoLab Technical Services Ltd.(UK), GeoLab srl. (Italy), GeoLab bv (Netherlands), GeoLab LLC (USA) and GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).
http://www.e-pageads.com/surveymarketplace/newsletter/newsletter71.html#2

 PART OF THE SILVETTI GROUP UNDER THE NAME GEOLAB LLC
GeoLab SRL
http://www.geolab.it/geolab_eng/geoLay_contatti.html


Geolab Positioning Contract   07/05/2008
Veripos has been awarded a further three-year contract by Naples-based GeoLab Srl, one of Europe's leading turnkey offshore survey and construction support organisations, for provision of high-precision GNSS positioning services. The contract extends the relationship between the two companies following an earlier three-year agreement.
 
Under the new agreement, Veripos will continue to provide GeoLab with a full range of proprietary globalised satellite positioning facilities extending from its Standard GNSS augmentation service to its latest Ultra Precise Point Positioning (PPP) capability which ensures decimetre-level accuracies by minimising or removing all main GPS error sources.

Together with the supply of further LD2 integrated dual frequency mobile units, Verify QC software for real-time and post-processing of data and newly-developed interactive e-learning training modules, the facilities will collectively support operations of GeoLab's group-sourced subsea survey and DP support vessels operating from regional bases in Namibia, the UAE and West Africa in addition to Italy.
 
Commenting on the agreement, GeoLab's Managing Director Giovanni Ranieri said: "It marks a further important stage in our relationship with Veripos who continue to provide us with optimum levels of service and support together with particularly high levels of reliability and worldwide availability".
 
Responding, Veripos Managing Director Tony Leary said: "We are naturally delighted to continue our close working relationship with GeoLab by supplying what we believe to be an unrivalled quality and range of positioning services which we continue to refine and develop for the benefit of a growing number of offshore users worldwide".
  http://www.hydro-international.com/news/id2432-Geolab_Positioning_Contract.html


SUBSEA 7 INC. announced a contract award by Petroleo Brasileiro S.A. (Petrobras) for its pipelay vessel Kommandor
http://www.ibiblio.org/maritime/photolibrary/albums/ftp/PDF/10_06/208-22-10-2006.pdf

GeoLab SRL

Middle-East Branch

<snip>

Geolab Srl shall be assigning to the region our in-house dedicated DP Class 1 ROV survey support and light construction vessel the DP Geo which was formally the RSV Salgueiro recently acquired from Subsea 7 and is currently undergoing refurbishment in Europe the vessel shall be available in early April 2008.http://tinyurl.com/cbmdx8

They have shown their true colors.

Just because she posts scriptures, doesn't mean she understands a word.
Keep that in mind. And do not allow them to deter your heart and goodness and exposing the truth.

IF" Aureen Werleman is related to Helen Werleman-Lejuez,Helen Lejuez is the attorney at the meeting with Caps and Silvetti,as well as The Twitty family Attorney??Wouldn't that be really BAD??  ::MonkeyNoNo::

All we have to do is go back to the night Destiny was "channeling Natalee"...Catch my drift...

(http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:poba1z7-O454IM:http://rghermes.net/AprilFoolsCruiseApril192006/theyachtatessa.jpg)

Was the yacht in Indecent Proposal named The Griffin?

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

vms uses the nic  just asking at BFN

 :albino:

ldstlou
Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion
« Reply #143 on: Today at 01:47:32 pm »

Janet wrote this? OK, so anyone that posts at GM is now a "bad guy". This is the same Janet that would like to spit on John Silvetti for helping Natalee's family correct?
[/b]

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=887.135


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Wrong Lou.

I have never spat at anybody in my life.  It was an expression of what I would feel like  doing if I every came face to face with this man.  My strong dislike of John Silvetti stems from Kyle Kingman's own words in regards to his betrayal of Natalee Holloway and her family.

Lou ... what did this man do to "help the family" of Natalee Holloway?  When you consider Kyle Kingman's own words ... what would your feelings be if there was a possibility that the remains of your loved one was in that trap.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman - 06/13/08:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Janet, just my opinion, you are fighting a losing battle with those people over there.  After reading what they are posting about Kermit I have written them totally off.  I hope you do too.  They are VILE and very angry sad people.  You are a much better person than them and you are talking to a brick wall with them.  It is sad.

Debbie, Monkey Mia

I'm waiting for the rest of the monkey's to get got up! ::MonkeyWink::

They're on the previous thread so hopefully they'll come join the party!

Kermit,

The way I read this, Silvetti only owns the US company in the GeoLab group, that US arm being GeoLab, LLC.  Does he own all of them?

You are right Blue Moon and ... I will not go there any more.

It just makes me so sad and betrayed that these prodical Monkeys ... not Refugees ... are allowing closure for the family of Natalee to take a back seat in favor of John Silvetti.  Kyle Kingman's own words are not being disputed but ... John Silvetti is being upheld nevertheless.

It just does not make sense.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

It j

OK Keepthefaith and anybody else who would like to join me.

THE HINKY ... ONE TWO THREE

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/dancinggrandma.gif)

Big Hug for you Janet.

I'm dancing the Hinky with you, Janet!  ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::

Nobody around on the big day except John Silvetti and ALE.  That's hinky for sure!

 ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::


Hey haters...who did Silvetti tell that the dive would be on the 7th?  Anybody? Anybody?

Thanks A1.

I will meet you and Mytime in the Musing Thread.

I have 20 minutes before Hubby's History Channel program is finished and ... then a game of "whatever" is where it is at.

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOODNIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Love you all.

Janet
8:40 PM PT

 ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

Let's liven it up a bit Lifesong.

(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t209/60SHOTWAX/dancinggranny.gif)

Now this thread is a rockin!!

 ::cartwheel::

That one is my favorite, Janet - the other one doesn't do you justice!

 ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::
    ::cartwheel::    ::cartwheel::    ::cartwheel::    ::cartwheel::    ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::


Janet..Just remember the post by Red in regards to Beth Holloway,as well as Rob's post in regards to speaking to TJ ward,who speaks with Dave and NO MENTION of a new search....SOME JUST DON'T GET IT..... ::MonkeyWink::

What's that BUZZZZIN in my ear! ::MonkeyLaugh::

(http://bestsmileys.com/insects/4.gif)

I've been thinking about everyone we've ever encountered here.  There have not been many involved in the search for Natalee that have posted here.  Sure, we know Red was there, Rob, BB, Hotshot, and perhaps others I am forgetting at the moment.  Then we had Tito...ugh...Jossy & Tim with Dana & perhaps a staffmember of Tim's who posted here early on.  Private Eye, family member....yes. & VietVet...

Right now, I'm thinking how strange it is that Kyle, John & his sister started posting on the forums.  Maybe it's just me, but if they were sincerely looking for Natalee, why use the forums as a platform to say 'look at me'?   It isn't making me feel warm and fuzzy toward them any more than I feel about those who have that thread at GM.   Maybe I'll change my mind if our Secretary of State registers and posts in the near future..... ::MonkeyRoll:: 

Muffy...I didn't know you were there! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue::

victim of another stack vacuum!   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyTongue::

ohhhhh well....I'll just do it again!


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Oh, I forgot our early Aruban posters...didn't mention them...

I agree full heartily 2NJSons_Mom...
John S. and Kyle were on the persistence, empowered by funds they and other solicited for the express purpose of bringing Justice for Natalee...
They ended the search under the ruse (mhoo) that they ran out of funds and are unable to dive the 100+ targets they value as worthy for Justice for Natalee....
But instead of going forward organizing the follow on search...they seem content to fuel the frenzy that Kermit is the bad guy (gal)...
I don't have a warm and fuzzy either that their hearts are there for "Justice for Natalee"...

After catching up with today's posts, I would like to offer my hand to those that were stacking, stacting, stacking today......I have a meeting that I think you need to attend... ::MonkeyCool::

I hope they have coffee and donuts!   ::MonkeyWink::

Hi, my name is texasmom....and I'm a stackaholic!!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Stackaholics is kinda a misnomer...In that you have to accept you have a problem..... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

RED.................


Hey Monkeys,

Spoke with Beth today. Nothing of any pressing news, we just had not chatted in a while and it was great to do some catch up with her.

However, I took the opportunity to ask Beth a couple of questions that she was kind enough to answer.

Question: Beth, this may come as a strange question but in light of some people writing misrepresentations regarding stuff that SM has done ... has Scared Monkeys on the FP or in the forum ever made comments, posts or done anything that would have upset you that you were angered or disagreed with?

Answer:  Red, are you kidding. Scared Monkeys has done so much good from the beginning how could you even ask that. Are you crazy!


ROB......

I just called TJ Ward - he knows nothing of this search. He spoke to Dave yesterday and Dave never mentioned it.

There ya go - I asked someone who should / would know and he never heard a word of this new search.


KEEPTHEFAITH

Any concern i have regarding what we've discussed and where we're headed i just revert to these posts!

Yes Texasmom...they have STACKS of coffee ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: and donuts......

Donuts...I got sparkly cake at my house! ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyDance::    ::cartwheel::    ::MonkeyDance::    ::cartwheel::    ::MonkeyDance::    ::cartwheel::    ::MonkeyDance::

Post of the Day     Post of the Day     Post of the Day     Post of the Day     

                                                ::MonkeyEek::

Thanks, billb, for understanding what I was trying to express.  It just doesn't sit right with me. 

Awwww just bring it to the meeting KTF, you know you have an assigned seat on the front row!   ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyLaugh::

WTH ARE PEOPLE AT THESE OTHER FORUMS THINKING?READ THOSE TWO POSTS OVER,AND OVER,AND OVER,AND OVER,AND OVER AGAIN,AND AGAIN,AND AGAIN...YOU GETTING IT YET!!


                            GOD BLESS SCARED MONKEYS ::MonkeyWink::

KTF is the guest speaker!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
I get dissy when I try cartwheels.. ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::
Dizzy...see what i mean... ::MonkeyCool::

You know i got my seat!Anytime BILLB starts bullsh_tten and i think a relapse is coming,i open the laptop and let him have at it.Let BILLB start STACKIN Right in the middle of the meeting! ::MonkeyLaugh::

KTF...I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they ARE reading them over and over again....
What is truly revealing though...
IS THAT THEY CAN'T BACK UP ANYTHING THEY PROPOSE....
Are they promoting JUSTICE FOR NATALEE??? MHOO.....NO

G'nite, all.  I take no responsibility for any stack business until I return. 

Justice for Natalee Holloway.

Goodnight 2nj! ::MonkeyCool::

GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC[/u]
<snip>
The Group represents the integrated capabilities of five GeoLab Companies[/u]; GeoLab Technical Services Ltd.(UK), GeoLab srl. (Italy), GeoLab bv (Netherlands), GeoLab LLC (USA) and GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).
http://www.e-pageads.com/surveymarketplace/newsletter/newsletter71.html#2

.

On a serious note..I am extremely saddened to think that bad people are trying to suck Dave's funds dry while saying they are searching for Natalee.
IMHOO, I think that is the end result of Louis S, John S, Tim T, and Kyle K efforts wrt the persistence seach. I hope it doesn't happen again...

In regards to Kyle Kingman ... I disagree.  His own words posted at the Natalee's Freebirds' site imply that he was deeply troubled in regards to what appeared to be John Silvetti's disinterest in the trap prior to the December 30, 2007 Dateline dive.

Kyle Kingman sent images from the December 29, 2007 ROV dive to the FBI.  Then he made contact with the Natalee's Freebirds' administrator for assistance in compiling unrevealed ROV images as well as a first hand account of his concerns regarding the chain of custody that involved only the Arubans.  His intention was to present a  documented account of the Persistence betrayal to both Beth Holloway and the FBI.

However ... somewhere along the way Kyle must have been offered an incentive by John Silvetti for his silence and ... at that point he began backtracking ... distancing himself from the document put together with the assistance of the Natalee's Freebirds.

However ... confidentiality agreement or no confidentiality agreement ... the Natalee's Freebirds whose reason for existence was to expose the corrupt investigation that was preventing justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway were not going to let Kyle Kingman's own words ... which revealed John Silvetti's participation in the finale to the great Aruban coverup ... to remain hidden on the private site.  In other words ... the Natalee's Freebirds were not about to participants in another coverup that was denying closure to the family.

The Natalee's Freebirds were threaten by Kyle Kingman with litigation if they revealed his postings.

However ... the Natalee's Freebirds were not detered.  They informed the FBI, Beth Holloway and John Kelly.  Then permission was received from Beth Holloway prior to Kermit posting Kyle Kingman's own words on the SM site.

Janet

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I don't believe there is another search planned at this time.  I wonder who started that rumor?  Did they forget to tell Natalee's parents?


Anyone who is A OK with Aruban LE being given the exclusive rights to the contents of any trap suspected of containing remains that could well be Natalee's is not looking for justice but encouraging further injustice.

On the front cover of Dave Holloway's book it says "Corruption in Paradise" so why do you suppose he would say that if he thought they should have sole possession of what could be Natalee's remains?  I don't think he had a clue they were going to do that beforehand.  Apparently, neither did Kyle.  So who gave the OK?  Seems Silvetti would be the one to have done that.

Keepthefaith, billb, wreck, Lifesong, Magnolia, snoopy, hotping, Kermit, 2NJSons_Mom, Monkey Mia

Come on down..Your never to late for the party.... ::MonkeyTongue::

Kyle said: I don’t know why Destiny is being fed information. I also don’t know why Clyde Burke is leaking information to Caps, or Cap’s role in all this.

I've said it before,and i'll say it again!Why are you asking for donations When Schaefer has just takin around 100 million dollars from stockholders??How much is Silvetti worth?Do they not do business with MULTI_BILLION  DOLLAR COMPANIES??????????How hard would it have been for those two guys to come up with a FEW MILLION DOLLARS from people they do business with???????

Again.If anyone can conversate with a poster who was claiming to channel Natalee Holloway..... ::MonkeyConfused::

Back again for a minute....when did Silvetti and his sister start posting at BFN or BNH or wherever?   Just thinking about Janet's disagreeing post. 

Thanks.   (I may not be reading a response until I get up, but wanted to ask while the question was in my head).

Kyle's intentions may have been good when he initially went to the Freebirds...but he lost his way...
The ball is now in Kyle's court..to do the right thing for Justice for Natalee....

Keepthefaith, Tamikosmom, texasmom, Anna, snoopy, 2NJSons_Mom, rjdeer, cp405, billb, hotping, Magnolia, Edward, Kermit, wreck, Monkey Mia, Lifesong



Good Evening Monkey's!We've got some monkey's swingin in th rafter's tonight! ::MonkeyDance::

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Howdy KTF.  Howdy monkeys. I'm just trying to catch up with ya'll.  Been working way too many hours lately.  You are all doing an amazing job with your research.

Justice for Natalee.

You're telling me snoopy.My father and i we're trying to fix some things at the store for 6hrs today..Still not finished.What a pain in the butttt..

or making phone calls to Julia Renfro.

I'm being 110% serious to.If you 've read those posts it's very disturbing!Very sick to say the least. ::MonkeyNoNo::

For you KFT - I know you had a very hard day trying to fix things and I wanted you to have this to remember.....remember.....remember



Re: Natalee Case Discussion #764 7/11
« Reply #782 on: July 14, 2008, 11:45:47 PM »

OPEN YOUR BEING....let her in...I can't do this much longer......
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3045.780

billb ... I agree.

Considering Kyle Kingman's was not a participant with John Silvetti in the finale to the great Aruban coverup in regards to the trap issue and ... did intitially attempt to do the right thing to expose what he perceived as a betrayal to Natalee Holloway's family ... implies this guy does have a conscience ... a sense of right and wrong.  It is this foundation that I believe could be the catalyst that will cause Kyle Kingman to bow ... reveal all and ... seek forgiveness from the family of Natalee Holloway.  There will be consequences.  There alway is when wrong doing is involved but ... the freedom that the truth will affort will make it all worth while.

Good Night again Monkeys.

I will not wake my hubby who fell asleep on the sofa watching his History program and ... instruct him to go to bed.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
10:10 PM PT

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #764 7/11
« Reply #785 on: July 14, 2008, 11:53:05 PM »
Natalee - we're still trying, we haven't given up.
She is in a deep dank...hole....red dirt....only part of her there....2 others below her...not tourists...young girls....aliens......very young....
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3045.780

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #764 7/11
« Reply #789 on: July 14, 2008, 11:57:44 PM »
I have a terrible head ache....going to bed.....will check bsck soon....Natalee wants to come home...

Natalee...she wants to go home....

Destiny
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3045.760

Quote from: always 1 on July 14, 2008, 11:19:10 PM
Are you okay Destiny?



Yes...just very sad...not my saddness...it's Natalee...her saddness...don't ask how I know..
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3045.760

Quote from: always 1 on July 14, 2008, 11:30:08 PM
Destiny, why did you say that?



Because she showed me....
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3045.760

edit

Quote from: always 1 on July 14, 2008, 11:33:42 PM
When?



Today...
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3045.760

Quote from: always 1 on July 14, 2008, 11:41:01 PM
Destiny, are you by yourself??




Not quite...Say hello to Natalee....this is very draining for me.....
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3045.760



 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

And if you read that Kermit.The poster that is calling B.S. on Destiny,i do believe chat's  with her currently...WOW ::MonkeyNoNo::

Now that it's quieted down!Edward..Anything else in regards to The history of beatrix and the Nazis?

The Whackadoodle club.

You're right KFT.
Remember when the benefits were put together to raise money. Common sense goes a long way.

That was the sickest, out-of-your-freaking-mind craziest, and most offensive thing I had ever seen on the internet.  And I've seen some crazy ass shit.

That ... is  .... one .... who ....  should .....   Never  .....  post   .....  again!


JMO and only MO

Wouldn't it have been great for advertising especially with gas prices off the charts.Investing money into searching for an American citizen..Would be Fabulous advertising...Ohh.I forgot that is OIL COUNTRY... ::MonkeyCool::

Stop reminding me...I was worried about the lunatic!   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

TM..Do you need some Sparkle Cake??  ::MonkeyDance::

Edward..Any recommendations on books to read to better understand that aspect?TIA

Not right before bed...I may do some channeling of my own!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

I honestly do have some sitting on the counter!Trying to stay away myself but the darkside will probably get me ..A slice of cake and a glass of milk... Channeling..Your not gonna channel the cake off my counter i would be pissed.. ::MonkeyLaugh::

Kyle registered Dec 6, 2007
LegallyLex posted Dec 4, 2007
jdsurveyor1 [john Silvetti] posted April 3, 2008
at BFN

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #752 5-15-08
« Reply #605 on: Today at 02:34:25 AM »
anyone here...that I may send a small vial of her ashes...for you to sprinkle in your country...state....
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2844.600

It seems to be a competitive market.
But a very lucrative market, especially in the global conditions these past couple of years.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  You're safe, sparkles is not my favorite...now if chocolate had been mentioned...you might need to worry!  ::MonkeyWink::

I had some other thoughts but they're not nice..so I'll keep them to myself.  It just really makes me mad for people to pick on Janet.  It's not right.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Goodnight everyone!   ::MonkeyCool::

Goodnight TM...Did i say Chocolate...... ::MonkeyTongue::

I did the research at BFN on the history of the Dutch culture from early history up through world war 2

Hitler invaded Poland and then decided to go after other nations like France and the Netherlands.. The Dutch did get into a battle with the Germans and after 2 weeks of hard fighting they gave up and let the Germans in.. The Nazi then occupied the Netherlands until the allies liberated them. In all actuality they got along just fine with the Nazi who allowed them to carry on business as usual.. Hitler referred to the Dutch people as his Arin brothers.  He treated France far different as mentioned in history.
 The Dutch claimed to put up a resistance..They called it passive resistance. A couple of the Dutch passive resistance group turned Ann Frank and family over to the Germans for brownie points.. As there was a group that really liked the Nazi.
Vandersloot is a very old name "Jewish" and paulus has a middle name of Petrus who is well documented in the town Paulus was born in..
The vandersloot family never left the Netherlands during world war 2 from what I could see. They were not touched.

I am just writing this from memory and I would have to read my notes to be complete and acurate.. One thing I do remember ..The photo of Petrus..I can't get it out of my mind.. Damn ugly woman. ::MonkeyWink:: They are very old and respected family and well documented.

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Quote from: klaasend on July 14, 2008, 11:48:28 PM
Natalee - we're still trying, we haven't given up.


She is in a deep dank...hole....red dirt....only part of her there....2 others below her...not tourists...young girls....aliens......very young


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3045.780


Sounds like she is in a mine shaft..

Thanx Edward..Will have to go to Barnes & Noble.Love history..

billb, Kermit, Keepthefaith, Edward, Anna, hotping and 5 Guests are viewing this topic.
Good night all....
The channeling thing..It doesn't get any sicker than that.....

Do we have anyhting that leads us to a mine shaft or just the Channeling by Destiny? ::MonkeyCool::

A American named Frank Vandersloot did the research on his own name.. He and his family went to the netherlands and documented there findings.. There is a lot of info to read..

http://www.vandersloot.com/

Goodnight BILLB...

Truer words have never been spoken...

Ohio state university Geologists went to Aruba early on and did a full geological study and clearly showed the mine shafts and I have posted the link before.
 I do not have the link on this computer..

I remember the post but,do we have anything that leads us to mineshafts?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I know, right?

Credibility?  pffft.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2006NC/finalprogram/abstract_103556.htm

This is the geologist link page.. click on the "handout.pdf" and you will see a well laid out report with many photos.

Yes.. We have many lies and no answers..
The only thing left is the mineshafts on aruba  ::MonkeyWink:: jmho

Discussions for Suprior Offshore International
It looks like the big problems are starting to come out.  The IRS just
filed a $22 million priority claim against Superior and they are
reviewing tax returns going back three years.  This is just the tip of
the ice berg.  They have not filed a 10k since September 2007, nor
have they filed any bankruptcy schedules, for a reason.  All hopes of
a distribution to equity are now over.  Superior can't generate enough
money to pay its creditors, the IRS, and its professionals in full.
That means that there will be no distributions to stockholders.  BE
CAREFUL!!


The claim is publicly filed in the bankruptcy court.  If you login
into the pacer system, which is used to file court documents, you can
view all filed claims.  The claim was filed last night.  The IRS does
not mess around with bankruptcy cases unless there is a legitimate
claim.


http://finance.google.com/group/google.finance.708248/topics

Night. ::MonkeyCool::

Did you get some ashes?

 ::MonkeyRoll::

http://pacer.psc.uscourts.gov/uspci.html

Goodnight Edward!

Come down and join the party cp405..... ::MonkeyCool::

Man, that guy never quits!  I don't even know if it's legal, but I hope they can take Legacy and all the other companies away, sell all the assets and pay whats left after the attorneys fees to the shareholders.

He should not just be allowed to start up another company, buy the assets for pennies on the dollar and continue to profit while others paid his bills.

 ::MonkeyDance:: Take that 3.5 million dollar house... ::MonkeyDance::

Me personnally.I think they all should have to take a trip down the river,in a canoe,in DELIVERANCE COUNTRY!!! ::MonkeyDance::

Kyle said June 6, 2007
Here's some interesting news:

John goes to Aruba on Wednesday.

Goodnight, Edward.  Thanks for posting, I enjoy it.

Hi, I'm just reading and am very behind, don't post anymore.

Was that when he went to the Mansur wedding while he was there?

We show Petrobas having talks in Aruba sometime in June, but I don't have links for it...



Hotping!   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyWink::

IF THERE IS ANY DOUBT IN ANYONE'S MIND AS TO WHAT THE PLANS WERE WITH THESE MEN - THIS SPELLS IT OUT

June 10 Kyle said he had the secret meeting with Tim Tehran. and by proxy, Louis Shafer.
We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere

We tend to chat as well!As you can see i'm sure! ::MonkeyDance::

I don't know think there is any confirmation to this wedding of Jossy's.


RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (Reuters): Brazil's state-run oil company, Petrobras, will resume talks this month to buy a refinery in Aruba owned by independent US refiner Valero Energy Corp, a Petrobras director said on Tuesday.
Jorge Luiz Zelada, director of international operations, said the company was not interested in other assets of the top US refining company.
http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-7222--11-11--.html

June 16, 2008
Petrobras postpones decision on buying Aruba refinery

Source: www.latinpetroleum.com
http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/company/cnl82520.htm

Lifesong, look at the dates and compare them to what was taking place with the search.


Take-over purchase refinery by Petrobras a done deal

December 27,  2007
 ORANJESTAD -- Valero Energy Corporation and Petrobras have reached an agreement on the take-over purchase of the refinery in San Nicolas.  The ‘outline agreement’ is signed, even though they are still negotiating almost all the details.

This news comes from a very reliable source that mentions that the take-over purchase is a done deal.  There is no longer a joint venture between Valero and Petrobras; the entire refinery is being sold to the Brazilian semi state-owned company.   The outline agreement for the take-over purchase was signed right before Christmas.  What this is going to mean for the employment and the development of the earnings of the employees of the refinery, is therefore not clear yet.

We also do not know yet whether there will be conditions set for the environmental accomplishments of the company, which products Petrobras is going to refine, and for which markets.  Can Petrobras expect a ‘tax holiday’; will the government set conditions; will the government ask for guarantees with regard to the personnel?

pokesperson David Smith of Valero cannot confirm the signing of the outline agreement for the take-over purchase.  “I have no information on this and Valero Aruba is not informed of the signing of a contract.”

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

- Petrobras may decide Aruba refinery buy Friday
Tue May 6, 2008 1:03pm EDT
Corrects Petrobras CEO's name to Jose Sergio Gabrielli)
http://www.mysanantonio.com/business/MYSA041608_02D_valerorefinery_2f6254a_html.html



WILLEMSTAD – Upon request of Prime Minister Emily de Jong-Elhage (PAR), Parliament will meet next week at 14:00 for a Central Committee meeting to discuss the geological study on oil and natural gas in the Antillean waters. The recent results of a study and advices on this will be presented to Parliament during this meeting.
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_45474.php


In Brazil, the preparations for the IMR contact with Petrobras, commencing in JUNE
(page 1 of 11)
http://www.deepocean.no/index.cfm?id=65087


DeepOcean wins Petrobras contract

Posted: 12.06.2007

DeepOcean ASA and its Brazilian partner Comphania Brasileira de Offshore (CBO) have been awarded a contract by Petrobras in Brazil. Valued at approximately USD 50 million, the contract will start in Q1 2008 for an agreed period of two years with an option for a further two years` extension.
 http://marinenorway.etp.no/sider/tekst.asp?side=1500


Petrobras and Sevan sign firm drilling contract

Posted: 05.08.2008

With reference to the announcement on June 2, 2008, Petrobras SA and a subsidiary of Sevan Drilling AS, have signed a firm drilling contract for a newbuild drilling unit intended for operations off the coast of Brasil, in water depths down to 2,400 m.
http://marinenorway.etp.no/sider/tekst.asp?side=3435


RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (Reuters): Brazil's state-run oil company, Petrobras, will resume talks this month to buy a refinery in Aruba owned by independent US refiner Valero Energy Corp, a Petrobras director said on Tuesday.
Jorge Luiz Zelada, director of international operations, said the company was not interested in other assets of the top US refining company.
http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-7222--11-11--.html
 

an Antonio-based Valero, the largest U.S. refiner, faces expiration of an exemption at the end of 2010, which shields it from Aruba's 28 percent tax rate.

If they found the trap on the 25th of Dec.Why would they wait 4/5 days to do a physical dive?? ::MonkeyConfused::

(http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ewKbBETRHm27uM:http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2015/2108081012_71cb3fdaaf.jpg)

Goodnight. Off to eat KFT's snack. heh heh

Goodnight Kermit!I already had a slice.... ::MonkeyTongue::

I agree, understanding when things happened can explain a lot.

Thanks Kermit, Goodnight.  God Bless.

                              JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

                                   GOODNIGHT AND GODBLESS

                                            KEEPTHEFAITH

I don't recall seeing this before.....

 06-08-2008, 01:54 AM    #1 (permalink) 

qlaval
Senior Member
 
 
 

Join Date: May 2007
Age: 47
Posts: 287   Good new about Aruba electricity and water!

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Finally...

"...As respond on the increasing oil prices and its negative consequences for our island, the government has decided to import gas from Colombia. The electricity supply can be altered to use natural gas instead of fuel oil for an estimate of 20 millions. The production of electricity and water becomes 40 percent cheaper because of this, said Premier Nelson Oduber yesterday. “Besides, it’s going to be cleaner..."


The premier of Aruba made these comments during a press conference yesterday. He is just back from a working visit in Colombia. This is an historic moment, said Oduber.

The premier says that altering the WEB to use natural gas instead of fuel oil must be possible in one year. WEB will take care of the costs, about 20 millions. The natural gas will have to be transported by ship in the beginning, but the construction of a pipeline must be considered on the medium- and long run. This pipeline will have to run via Venezuela to our island. Oduber thinks that this may take about 3 years. Apart from using the gas for the production of electricity and water, it can also be used for cars and in the houses. Oduber does not abandon the thoughts of other alternatives like wind- and sun energy, but these can only supply the island with a limited amount of electricity and water.
__________________
Pierre
 
http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/good-new-about-aruba-electricity-water-31591/

Mumbai (12/12/2007) - Mr. Nelson Oduber, Prime Minister of the island nation of Aruba, an autonomous state in the Kingdom of Netherlands, has invited Indian businessmen, investors and tourists to his country.


Mr. Oduber addressed an interactive meeting organised in his honour at Hotel Hilton Towers, Mumbai by the Indian Merchants' Chamber on December 12. The Consul General of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, Mr. Hans Ramaker, introduced Mr. Oduber and other Ministers and officials of his delegation.

Welcoming the distinguished guests, IMC President Mr. Niraj Bajaj complimented Prime Minister Mr. Oduber for leading his country to prosperity in the past 18 years of his office. “With a per capita income of over $28,000, the nation of Aruba has few parallels in the world,” he said.

Prime Minister Mr. Oduber said that the population of Aruba – a 70 sq. mile island – was around 60,000 in 1986 and had now risen to well over 120,000. “Our tiny country with its beautiful beaches attracts over two million tourists annually,” he said.

Mr Oduber said that he aimed to make his country “Dubai of the Caribbean and Gateway of Latin America.”

As such, the 19.6 mile long, 6 mile wide island nation had built three major ports, an international airport which could take large aircraft and exclusive airport for private aircrafts, a free trade zone, top class educational, healthcare and hotel facilities and all such modern infrastructure.

Mr. Oduber invited Indian businessmen to set up bases in the Free Trade Zone of his country, add value to their products and re-export them to the US, Latin American and European countries.

Mr. Oduber said his country had its own central banking system, Parliamentary form of governance and an independent judiciary. Aruban island nation, situated off the coast of Venezuela in South America, was engaged in its coastal waters for offshore drilling for oil and was hopeful of finding rich deposits as in Venezuela and Columbia.

Though the backbone of Aruban economy was tourism, it was also a major base for refining and exporting oil. In addition, Aruba also exported huge quantity of coffee, rice, sugar and whiskey to Europe and other western countries.

The invitation by IMC President Bajaj to visit Mumbai was presented to H.E. the Prime Minister in June by Mr Dinesh N. Joshi, Vice-Chairman of the IMC Infrastructure Committee and Indian partner of InCar Group.




posted by InCar Group Press Room at 11:47 PM

http://www.incargroup.com/press/

Hotping!



That about sums it up right there!

Goodnight all!

That's what I thought Lifesong!

Good Night!

Monday, December 10, 2007
Aruba delegation in New Delhi
The Indian visit of H.E. Prime Minister Nelson Oduber of Aruba, facilitated in part by InCar Consultancy and its partner Dinesh N. Joshi, commenced in New Delhi. The Aruban delegation presented to a select group of business leaders and journalists what the island has to offer Indian companies. The presentation garnered substantial media attention:

Aruba offers to act as India's trade link to LatAm

(Financial Express) New Delhi, December 10 - The tiny south Caribbean island territory, Aruba has offered itself to be the base for India's trade links with Latin American countries.

Aruba also invited Indian airlines to set up their bases in Aruba and gain in terms of easy connectivity to Latin American countries.

With a population of around 100,000, Aruba has per capita income of $22,000. Aruba is an autonomous part of the Kingdom of Netherlands.

The wave of economic liberalization and growth is literally sweeping across the globe and Aruba is no exception. The visiting Prime Minister of Aruba, Nelson Oduber today showcased the potential of his island territory and invited Indian businessmen to invest.

Speaking at a luncheon meet, organized by the Confederation of Indian Industry (CII), here on Monday, Oduber said, "Aruba can act as India's hub and gateway to Latin America and provide logistics for transport services We are ready to provide traffic right to Indian airlines."

Highlighting the strategic location of the island nation, Oduber invited Indian airline Companies to set up base in Aruba and gain in terms of easy connectivity to Latin American countries. "The airline industry in India is growing exponentially. It is expected that the Indian Companies will place big orders for aircraft next year. Aruba has a well-developed financial system and mature institutions. Apart from providing a strategic hub to Indian airline Companies, we can also take care of their financial needs," he said.

He also offered Indian Companies certificate of origin on safeguard tariffs. He said, "Aruba has free trade zones which offer ideal business climate. Businessmen can also save as we tax only 2% of the profit."

Making a strong pitch for high-value, low-volume industries like pharmaceuticals and information technology, Oduber said. "Companies from these sectors can capitalize from Aruba's strategic location and sound logistic infrastructure."

The Aruba Prime Minister also invited tourists from India. He said his country has 8,000 hotel rooms with tourist inflow of around 1,000,000 per year. The small island nation offers a wealth of natural resources and scintillating landscape.


Aruba offers Indian cos easier access to US, EU

(Economic Times) New Delhi, 10 December - Aruba, an island in the Caribbean sea with access to the European Union and US markets, today said it could act as a logistics centre for Indian companies looking to tap those regions.


"We want to make Aruba a logistics centre for the Indian companies. We have the necessary infrastructure and an agreement for duty free movement of goods to the US and the EU markets," Aruba's Prime Minister Nelson Oduber told reporters here.


Citing an example, he said Aruba imports sugar and ethanol from Brazil, adds value to the products and moves them duty free to the US and the EU.


"We are in contact with many Indian companies from the sectors of infrastructure, energy, pharmaceutical, information technology and aviation," he revealed but refused to divulge their names.


Oduber said he would meet businessmen from the aviation industry tomorrow in Mumbai.

The Prime Minister invited corporate India to set up shop in the country's upcoming Free Zone. "If you register in the Free Zone, you would be liable to pay only two per cent tax on profits and zero import duty," he said.


Also, the country is expected to float an open tender next year for exploring its natural resources such as oil and gas, in which it is expecting the Indian industry to participate.

posted by InCar Group Press Room at 12:25

http://www.incargroup.com/press/2007_12_01_archive.html

 ::MonkeyEek::



January 27, 2006
HarryTho 1/27 Natalee Holloway Commentary
Topics: Natalee Holloway

Given the paucity of the news concerning the Natalee Holloway disappearance, this evening, I felt I would revisit our old friend Hushang Ansary. We should note that the HarryTho coverage will vacation over the weekend, unless some startling news develops. Next update should be Monday evening 29 January 2006.

In a prior editorial, we discussed the oil and financial industry resume of Hushang Ansary. We mentioned Ansary's Parman Capital Corporation of Houston, TX bought controlling interest in the Banco de Carib, a US $500 Million asset bank, in the Netherlands Antilles. We outlined Ansary's recent acquisitions and mergers that provided him controlling interest in the most advanced oil drilling equipment manufacturing company and the largest oil company in the world. Additionally, we pointed out a prize oil refinery on Curacao. Though this refinery was not included in any publication as an interests to Ansary, we sweetened the narrative with reasons why the Isla Refinery on Curacao would be an attractive acquisition.

A review of our three editorials from 27-29 December 2005 may be helpful in order to reacquaint oneself with activities of Hushang Ansary.

HarryTho 12/29 Natalee Holloway Commentary

HarryTho 12/28 Natalee Holloway Commentary

HarryTho 12/27 Natalee Holloway Commentary #comments

Much to our surprise, the Aruban government, seemingly unconnected to any of Ansary's intentions, suddenly and clandestinely, created a government oil company in parliament. Many elected officials in parliament were stunned by the sudden tabling of such a proposition. Yet, in one session, Aruba became from devoid of any oil interests into a country awarding concessions for oil and gas exploration. And, in parliament, it was revealed, for the first time, that some seven "secret" inquiries were in hand, requesting oil and gas exploration permits off the shores of Aruba.

Search for oil and gas resumed

ARUBA - The Parliament had authorized the government to found the Aruban oil company, Compania Arubiano di Petroleo (CAP). The idea is that this public enterprise negotiates with companies that want a concession for the search for oil and gas in the Aruban territorial waters. "Seven companies have already shown interest in the search for oil and gas in the past four years", told Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) the Parliament.

"Oduber didn't want to reveal the names of the companies. What a nonsense; we are talking about the Parliament here. I wonder why we didn't get any information on the plans", said Mike de Meza, AVP parliament-member and owner of an engineering company that works for Valero. He asked questions about the involvement of the Netherlands in the founding of CAP. "The Netherlands has a lot of experience in the field of oil and gas. Not only that; our seas concern the Kingdom. What happens if we find oil and gas? We will immediately be in conflict with Venezuela. A few years ago Colombia found a gas deposit on the Venezuelan border, which immediately caused a conflict, and the gas deposit was never exploited. There are rumours about us having a treaty with Venezuela, but I doubt that this would fix an anticipated conflict. And what if we get entangled in a war problem? We will have to depend on the Netherlands then. I think that we have to plan ahead."

Geologist Armando Curet of the DOW will be appointed acting manager of CAP. The government had promised to recruit personnel from existing public servants for CAP. The government will need to ask the Parliament permission for decisions on concessions and for the expenditure of money. There were searches for oil and gas around Aruba in the past, but the conclusion was then that the composition of the sea-bed is very good, but too young. Nowadays there is better equipment to take more accurate measurements.

Today, Aruba has Compania Arubiano di Petroleo or CAP and is filling the executive positions, as you read this editorial, with personnel from other departments. And, not 30 days from Ansary's take over of the controlling interests (51%) of Banco di Carib, Aruba finds itself with a rich, oil expert right next door in Curacao. What is really interesting is that all this activity took place within the same time frame as the search for Natalee Holloway. Had the international media and the audiences of Aruba, USA and neighboring countries not been so preoccupied with Natalee Holloway, some interested parties may have stumbled onto this sudden interests in the waters of Aruba by the leading oil experts in the world.

Just as a brainstorming exercise, allow me to juxtapose all these facts:

Hushang Ansary, republican, strong Texas Republican party donator ($100,000.00 and up), controlling interests in state-of-the-art oil drilling equipment, controlling interests in largest oil company in the world, former Minster for Finance of Iran, former head of the National Iranian Oil Company and philanthropist extraordinary (where George Bush is concerned). He lives and headquarters his companies in Houston, TX.

Boycott Bob, republican.

Secretary of State Rice, republican from Birmingham, AL, former senior oil company executive with Halliburton.

George W. Bush, republican, oil company owner and senior executive with same company as Secretary of State Rice ... Halliburton.

Headquarters of Halliburton:

5 Houston Center
1401 McKinney, Suite 2400
Houston, TX 77010-4008

Perhaps, we can expect more than cadaver dog trainers at the M Bar in Houston, TX for cocktails with Beth Twitty.

With Aloha,

Posted for HarryTho


Posted by Richard at January 27, 2006 11:12 PM

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2006/01/harrytho_127_na.php

Interesting article dated....September 2006

Rising oil prices pose dangers for Caribbean
-- region exploring energy alternatives
‘…we're also looking at a situation where people will turn to alternative sources of employment whether it is through human trafficking, drug trafficking…’ -- Dominica's Minister of Energy, Reginald Austrie.
By Linda Hutchinson-Jafar


Aruba's Prime Minister Nelson Oduber told reporters the high fuel price is already affecting his country's tourism.


"We are in a special moment together to see how we can share experiences and alternative solutions; we would want to be part of the solution. With the demand in China and India, even if we have money for the next five or ten years, there might be a moment when we can't buy because it is too expensive," Oduber said


http://www.guyanachronicle.com/ARCHIVES/archive%2019-09-06.html

O/T

The sentencing, on Bonaire regarding the murder of Marlies, is scheduled for today.

Prayers for Cageman and all family and friends.

Link to the moved Marlies thread:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3445.720

Within 2 hours I hope to have heard the verdict!

Cageman,

My thoughts and prayers are with you, your family and all of those who loved and will never forget your precious Marlies.  I will never forget her or what happened to her. 

I pray that you will receive some manner of Justice for her today.  I know your lives are forever changed by her being taken from you, I pray that the decision will begin some manner of healing for all of you.

I am off to work, but I will be watching for updates.

God bless,

TM

Please keep us posted.  I want justice for Marlies but I would also like to see a decision that makes a "social" statement. There needs to be longer sentences for those that cover-up for their friends, also.  Prayers.

Ditto from me also.  I will say prayers for the family and hope justice is served for this beautiful lady.

Texasmom/BlueMoon/buckeye I certainly join you within the prayers for justice for this family and their terrible loss. Our hearts go out to them and we should never forget Marlies or her smiling face.

For the life of me I will never understand how these forum wars can exist in light of these types of brutal crimes and the names and faces of not just the victims, but also the families. All else is so trivial in light of that.

Hotping - this is the exact article that fit in perfectly with what could be an incentive for Silvetti and Schaefer.  Then Silvetti travelled to Aruba within a week.

So we started digging on Silvetti and Schaefer.

Then Kyle read our information, told us to not do anything with it, and met with Silvetti at his home the end of June/first part of July...............  Shortly thereafter, Kyle disappeared from our forum, with only a fly-by post or two.

From an article HotPing posted:

Much to our surprise, the Aruban government, seemingly unconnected to any of Ansary's intentions, suddenly and clandestinely, created a government oil company in parliament. Many elected officials in parliament were stunned by the sudden tabling of such a proposition. Yet, in one session, Aruba became from devoid of any oil interests into a country awarding concessions for oil and gas exploration. And, in parliament, it was revealed, for the first time, that some seven "secret" inquiries were in hand, requesting oil and gas exploration permits off the shores of Aruba.  

Search for oil and gas resumed

ARUBA - The Parliament had authorized the government to found the Aruban oil company, Compania Arubiano di Petroleo (CAP). The idea is that this public enterprise negotiates with companies that want a concession for the search for oil and gas in the Aruban territorial waters. "Seven companies have already shown interest in the search for oil and gas in the past four years", told Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) the Parliament.
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OK - so what Aruban people comprise this government oil company?

Cageman - My thoughts and my heart are with you and yours today.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 16 May 2206 under serial number 34834.0 is the company with the trade name:

CAP COMPANIA ARUBANO DI PETROLEO N.V.
L.G. SMITH BLVD. 76, ORANJESTAD WEST
LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY

Date of Incorporation:  15 May 2006
NOT IN POSESSION OF A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT LICENSE

DIRECTORS:

Curet, Eduardo Armando (DRS)

And....finally....the lightbulb is on!

Nothing wrong with a post stating the obvious, I always say!   ::MonkeyWink::

Thank you, Jen.  Of course...the search was over. 


You're clarifying for me what I find hinky about Silvetti. 

I could buy that they were all misguided in their attempts to work with and trust ALE.  From Dave Holloway's heart wrenching loss mixed with his honorable perspective and belief in God-made man; to Dr. Hodges' genuine concern mixed with the hope/anticipation of being proved right and earning the acceptance of his Thoughtprints theory in the field of Forensic Science; to Tim Miller's genuin concern mixed with the standard protocol through which he performs every search - which is always cooperation with law enforcement; to John Silvetti's genuine concern mixed with his expectation this would take 2-3 weeks and he could get back to his businesses with new contacts in hottest part of the world to get new work.  (For what its worth, I think probably every employer Kyle has ever had has needed to tell him "Enough!", I think I would.)

But then Silvetti went and got involved with this witness and the "pond theory".

Silvetti's only connection to this case was he owned the boat.  He had a Captain on board, Blonde has that guy's picture in the Ocean Search thread.  Why did Silvetti even have to be there?  Then to stay for 3 months instead of 2-3 weeks, and then go back to insert yourself into the case?  Over a dry pond?

He owns the boat is all.

Hinky, hinky, hinky. 

The more I think about it, Mr. Tim "LightTanks" Trahan probably would have loved the opportunity to be there on Jan. 7th and prove he really can dive (if he can).  It would've been a chance to redeem himself from that pathetic diving performance on Dateline.   

Lifesong - you are oh, so right.  And your questions are good ones!!!

Why would Silvetti have to be there?  Does he accompany the Persistence on ALL of it's endeavors?

The pond.

Methinks that was not the only reason Silvetti kept travelling back to Aruba last year.  ::MonkeyWink::

But it certainly was an interesting reason, wasn't it?

Especially after Kyle's analysis of the side sonar was that there was bupkis in that pond that could be remains, or any container holding remains.

Don't quit now, Jen!  Who's that guy?

 ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::

Here is the Aruba Port Authority with its plans made for work on the Barcadera Harbor.

Those plans were hatched as of 2005, although we know the work hasn't happened yet.

Point being, the plans were there, Aruba has known they were going to do this for a while.

Enter Schaefer and Silvetti........both of whom would be perfectly suited to take on such a project.


http://www.arubaports.com/cargo/barcadera.html#overview

Aruba Ports Authority Cargo Services - Barcadera


Overview

In 1999/2000, Aruba Ports Authority started with the rehabilitation of the old Barcadera port. With an investment of $6.0 million it was upgraded with the appropriate facilities so that the handling of non-containerized cargo was moved out of Oranjestad to Barcadera.

Currently the Barcadera harbor is where all aggregates, gas, gasoline, and the majority of Ro-Ro and break-bulk cargo is handled The Barcadera harbor is located 3 miles South East of the Oranjestad Port and has 1148 feet of docking space.

The next step is to also move all containerized cargo handling to Barcadera. To accomplish this, the Aruba Ports Authority is finalizing plans whereby some $35 million will be invested.  This project is expected to start by the end of 2005/early 2006.

With the reopening of the Barcadera port for containerized cargo in the near future, the Government of Aruba has already started promoting Aruba regionally and internationally as a potential small hub of Free-Zone or Transshipment Cargo.

I don't know.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Let's find out!!

Whoopsie!!!

Let me also add.

Minister of Tourism And Transportation Edison Breisen has his fat fingers all over the Aruba Port Authority.  He is "the guy" who meets with any/all about any/all to do with the Ports.  ::MonkeyWink::

You know....................Edison Breisen?  The guy whose office was posting here at SM within a week of Natalee going missing?  Posting that she was likely a run away?

You know....................Edison Breisen?  The guy whose office was a key participant in the Strategic Communications Task Force?

You know......................Edison Breisen?  Member of AHATA/ATA that DAVE HOLLOWAY set up a meeting for Silvetti to raise funds to "continue the search"?  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink::

Well I'll be dipped.  The Coast Guard AND the Marine Control Tower fall under the authority of the Ports Authority.  I guess that also means their Radar?

Convenient.

Breisen strikes again.

Remember..........................Breisen who told us last January (I think it was Jan) that people from the Tourism Office were moved to the Judicial office to "work on this case".


Aruba Ports Authority - Contact Us

ARUBA PORTS AUTHORITY N.V.
Port Administration Building
L.G. Smith Blvd. # 23
Oranjestad, Aruba
Dutch West Indies

Tel: (297) 582-6633
Fax: (297) 583-2896
E-mail

Marine Traffic Control Tower
Direct Phone: (297) 582-1740 Operations: 24/7/365
E-mail

VHF Channel: 16 & 11
Pilot Station: Oranjestad: Northwest Entrance: 12º 31’ – 070º 04’ W
                                   Southeast Entrance: 12º 30.3’ N – 070º 02’ W

                                   Barcadera: 12º 28.5’N – 070º 01’ W


Aruba Customs: (297) 585-7076
Aruba Immigration: (297) 585-8200

Coast Guard: (297) 593-6131
Search & Rescue: (297) 962-1380


http://www.arubaports.com/contactus/

From our reporter Jean Mentens
published on March 10, 2009 15:08, updated on March 10, 2009 15:18

Kralendijk - Ryan P. , life in prison on manslaughter because of Marlies van der Kouwe. That, the court determined on Bonaire. The DA had also demanded life.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1161632.ece/Ryan_P._veroordeeld_tot_levenslang

Thank you Buckeye!

That is great news!!!!!

Also I wonder if these inquiries should be secret.  Is that traditional?  I would think bidding would dictate that many know about not only the pipeline but exploration as well.

You know.......................the more I think of this Breisen/Coast Guard link, the more I'm bothered by it.

Remember Kyle told us about a Coast Guard ship that was on the cage site two days in a row while he was on land - for a good amount of time each day.

When he told Silvetti about it, Silvetti "didn't believe it".

I wonder just WHEN that meeting with Silvetti and AHATA/ATA took place?!

Not only were the inquiries secret - so was the development of the government owned company.

I wouldn't think all of that would traditionally be kept secret - but it is, after all, Aruba.

We just don't understand their system.  ::MonkeyRoll::

I will never believe any local would try to "hide" anything in a pond that goes dry seasonally each year.  All it takes is two months of little to no rain and it is dry.

And it had already been searched by a private company whom I will assume is more reliable than ALE looking for Jose Tromp.  Must we think that if they found ANYTHING it would not be reported even if not related to the disappearance from Tromp?

And I have the email from the Office of the OM statig just that.  As kermit says, don't make me post that sucker but I have before.  And guess it doesn't matter since my connection to Mos was blown by those caling me a liar when it is they who lied as I have several emails still with full header sources. 


That's another reason I think that some who profess only to want justice for Natalee really only want their wacko theories validated.  They even burned a direct contact like that.  I gotta wonder why!

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::


But we have always been told there was no such sentence!  Is this only for causing the death of a Dutch girl while nothing is done if the girl is American?

What an outrage and insult!

Rec'd May 26, 2008

Quote:

There is indeed a search being conducted currently at a pond (called 'dam' in the Papiamento language) in the Montserrat area. However, it's entirely a private search. It has nothing to do with the Nathalee Holloway case. The Police and the Prosecutors Office are not involved in any way in this search. No crime scene investigators have arrived from the Netherlands

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The above came via email to me from Office of the Prosecution.  Since certain asshats have taken it upon themselves to blow my contact guess I might as well post a few of them.

No, not all want Justice for Natalee.  Many who have followed this case have been doing so to try to fill needs of their own that have nothing to do with Natalee but rather their own need for attention or to affix themselves in some manner to it.


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I would imagine Marlies family would be satisfied with that sentence. life
So Sad.. Terrible situation for them.

This culprit could rot in Hell, it would not be enough punishment.
jmho

Thank you, Anna!  Would you mind if I link your message to the timeline?

   ::MonkeyHaHa::  "Asshats"   ::MonkeyHaHa::    ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Can we assume there is no capital punishment in Dutch law??

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!!  GOOD MORNING ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
8:30 AM PT

Well, well.

Looks like we're just a little late in putting the pieces together.

Posted on the SM front page last April:


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/04/24/red-reports-against-premier-nelson-oduber-minister-of-tourism-and-transport-edison-briesen-accountability-forgery-bribery/#more-5510

RED Reports Against Premier Nelson Oduber & Minister of Tourism and Transport Edison Briesen … Accountability, Forgery & Bribery?
 
Corruption in government in Aruba? Say it isn’t so. So says Rudy Lampe and Armand Hessels of RED. Supposedly Prime Minister Nelson Oduber and Minister of Tourism and transport, Edison Briesen, are being accused of violations of the accountability act, forgery and possible bribery. So the thought is brought to mind, how does a tourist who has a crime committed against them get a fair shot of justice then?

Party-leader Rudy Lampe of opposition party RED and his fellow party member Armand Hessels reported violation of the accountability act and forgery in the harbour project in Aruba against Premier Nelson Oduber (MEP) and his fellow party member Minister of Tourism and transport, Edison Briesen, with the Public Prosecutor (OM) on Monday afternoon.  According to RED, there is supposedly also bribery involved.  

RED reports against Premier Oduber and Minister Briesen  (Amigoe: 4/22/2008)


Rudy Lampe and Armand Hessels (RED) on their way to the governor to hand in a copy of the reporting against Premier Oduber and Minister Briesen.

ORANJESTAD – Party-leader Rudy Lampe of opposition party RED and his fellow party member Armand Hessels reported violation of the accountability act and forgery in the harbour project in Aruba against Premier Nelson Oduber (MEP) and his fellow party member Minister of Tourism and transport, Edison Briesen, with the Public Prosecutor (OM) on Monday afternoon.  According to RED, there is supposedly also bribery involved.

RED is of the opinion that together with Glenbert Croes (OLA), Briesen clearly favours and is ‘an advocate’ of pulling in the Trusam-group from Spain, where according to RED, the minister has traveled suspiciously often to Spain in the past years.  RED says that Briesen had already arranged that the Bushiri-project went to Sol Melia (a subdivision of the Trusam-group),  whereby it is suspected that Trusam already knew about it or was at least favoured.   

Red connects above with the fact that the project of Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines (RCCL) that now has interest in Caracasbaai in Curacao, like the Amigoe reported earlier, didn’t take place.  The negotiations with RCCL and harbour company Aruba Ports Authority (APA) had to be torpedoed and the notorious Nambar-letter from 2000, in which one million florins in bribery was offered, leaked out for that.  RCCL would have done the developments together with Namdar, but after the letter leaked out, this idea died an early death.  RED has documents that show that Briesen and Oduber did everything in their power to appoint Trusam, and didn’t put out a public tender.   

RED says having heard from reliable sources that lawyers’ firm Croes, Wever & Tchong, is representing this group in Aruba.  This firm is the office of former-minister Hendrik Croes (MEP), who is also national lawyer and that according to RED ‘exerts big influence on the policy and the decisions of this government’.  The Maritime & Transport Business Solutions BV that was brought in by Oduber in December of last year, is commissioned to negotiate the developments of the harbours of Oranjestad and Barcadera with the Spanish investors that were already appointed by Oduber.  Withy this, Oduber and Briesen are ‘willfully breaching the law and treaties’.   

They have violated a treaty that the Kingdom has concluded with the World Trade Organization (WTO).  Lampe and Hessels explained their reporting in a press conference.  They emphasized that the investments involved with the entire harbour project is going to be an estimate between 500 million and one milliard florins.    The project includes the move of the container harbour, the expansion of the facilities for cruise ships, the construction of a new Free Zone, and a real estate project that includes a hotel, condominiums, and a marina.

RED is afraid that with the huge amounts involved with the project, the democracy will be put under serious pressure, and especially the so-called finders-fees that are usual with these kinds of deals and amounts between the 5 and 10 percent, which will yield some tens of millions of florins for the persons directly involved.  According to RED, the amount of money that ends up in party-hands (read: MEP) via this project, will have such a predominant influence on the next elections and with that, definitely influence the result.

Lampe and Hessels write in the explanation of the accusation that the idea has always been and still is, to finance the move of the container harbour from the proceeds of one or more commercial concessions given to big project developers for the development of the harbour area and surrounding grounds in Oranjestad.

A possible concession to RCCL has been pending for a long time, but was for several reasons, not materialized, because the financial-economic outline would not be profitable enough and because of the well-known Namdar- scandal.   

Another investment group that for years has shown interest in the development of the harbour area in Oranjestad is the Trusam-group from Spain.  RED says in the accusations that in the current government, Minister Briesen is the ‘advocate’ of the Trusam-group.  “As minister, Briesen had already arranged that the Bushiri-project went to Sol Melia (a subdivision of the Trusam-group), whereby it is suspected that Trusam/Sol Media already knew this or was at least favoured.   A public tender was put out just for the formality.  The Bushiri-grounds form the western part of the harbour area.  Minister Briesen has traveled numerous times per year to Spain in the past years, without telling his ministry of the Aruba House in The Hague what the purpose of these trips the Spain was.  Every time he made a business trip to the Netherlands or elsewhere in Europe, be made sure to plan a trip to Spain.  We are not sure whether Trusam had paid for these trips or not.” 

Immediately after the transaction with RCCL was definitely blown off in December of 2007, Prime Minister Oduber had a meeting in the Netherlands with representatives of Maritime & Transport Business Solutions (MTBS), a subdivision of Royal Haskoning, a big consultant-, architect-, and engineer bureau.  That encounter was later confirmed in writing and the most important issue that is revealed is a request of Oduber to MTBS ‘to negotiate the development of the harbours in Oranjestad and Barcadera’ with the named investor, appointed by Oduber.  

On behalf of the ministry of Tourism and Transport, Minister Briesen has signed a so-called Client/Consultant Services Agreement for the Project ‘Advisory Services Aruba Port Investments’ with MTBS on March 26, 2008.  RED says that the agreement represents at least 300.000 euro or 850.000 florins.  All the facts point out that Briesen and Oduber have willfully breached the law and public treaties, by entering an international service agreement without calling for tenders and have explicitly given orders not to put the investments in both harbour projects out for tender.

Copies of the accusation were handed to the Cabinet of the Governor and to the Representation of the Netherlands, because according to Lampe and Hessels, also the good name of the Kingdom is at stake, because of the signing of the WTO-treaty.  Lampe cannot understand that the current government has not learned from the bitter process of the Fondo Desaroyo Nobo San Nicolas.  Premier Oduber and Minister Briesen were not yet available for a comment this morning.
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So...............has anyone heard anything on what the Netherlands did with this?

 

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I would not mind at all, Lifesong.  I have one other that pertains to the pond if I can find it.  I do not have Janet's filing system or DIL.

Well, well, well. It really is starting to fit together -- isn't it?!?! TIME LINE, TIME LINE, TIME LINE!!  ::MonkeyShocked::

June 10, 2008

Dear Mrs. XXXXXXXX,

As confirmed in my previous email, there is indeed a missing person search going on in Aruba. It has absolutely nothing to do with the Natalee Holloway case and it's entirely a private search. The Prosecutor's Office and the Police are not involved.

We are currently in the dry season and have not had rain for well over two months. The pond you are referring to has dried up. The information that that pond or any other pond was drained lately, is not based on the truth.

Best regards,

Ann Angela
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I have posted this one previously. 

I'm caught up reading, but wanted to acknowledge your response.  Thanks.  My thoughts last night were that it was unnatural for those involved in the Persistence endeavor being active on many forums.  I can see their blog as an informational site.  I guess one could say that it could have been planned that way.  I don't know.  jmo at the moment.

Definitely wreck!!!!

I'm wondering with the award to

"The Maritime & Transport Business Solutions BV that was brought in by Oduber in December of last year, is commissioned to negotiate the developments of the harbours of Oranjestad and Barcadera with the Spanish investors that were already appointed by Oduber.  Withy this, Oduber and Briesen are ‘willfully breaching the law and treaties’."

just exactly what is happening with it now?

On the MTBS site, it states that this project is a "public tender" project - but I've not been able to find anything current.  And that was..................I want to say 4th quarter 2008?

Certainly, some progress has been made since then?

I wonder......................do either Silvetti and/or Schaefer have connections to these Spanish companies?

Or did the Netherlands step in and do something?  And did MTBS actually put it out for public tender?

o/t

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=147.new#new

Blonde's mom, Sadie; passed away last night.

Hmmmm...............so I'm wondering if *this* is the "search" of the pond that Silvetti did?  He was there at that time......ish.

And we know it was he who did the "search" that we all heard about.

And done under the ruse of looking for Tromp?

I think they only allow suicides.. ::MonkeyEek::
Now IF the Dutch could find some Backbone or get some Balls and Hand the guy a rope and lock him in isolation
Then lets see what happens. ::MonkeyWink::

They will probably give the ass 60 days of hard time watching Dutch Soap Operas.. ::MonkeyRoll::

For the record... June 6, 2008, right?     Someone has a list, checking it twice.      ::MonkeyRoll::     ::MonkeyWink::

Very good qustions!! Again, all the dates in the article really jump out at me!

Anna this would likely fit some of the smaller brained pinheads, so you'll have several sizes on hand  ::MonkeyWink::

Kyle on the side sonar results of the pond:

Kyle wrote April 7 2008:

There are 18 targets. Two are definitely tires. The rest, who knows. It's likely tin cans, mud clumps, and debris. There is one small box-like target but it's only 2ft across and doesn't have much relief, unless it's completely sunk into the mud (likely). I can find something about the size of a hockey puck with that system in good conditions. The water was very shallow when this survey was done. Remember, in February 2006 the pond was almost dry.

Silvetti and/or Schaefer will probably BID and become the Sub Contractor to a Spanish engineering firm.
jmho

No, Jen, I think Silvetti only did the sonar scan.  I believe this search may have been what Caps was calling CSI from the Netherlands but believe the family of Jose Tromp hired this searcch done.  I have never read of their being involved with any Americans other than Tim Miller whose search also found nothing of their son.


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Yep!  Already had it on the timeline...I need to sit down and read that thing through again.

Got a big update coming end of the week - linking in Caesu's information too, that oughta be interesting. 

Have a conference call soon and am busier this week than I'd hoped.  I'm here though and reading to catch up inbetween.


04/24/2008
RED Reports Against Premier Nelson Oduber & Minister of Tourism and Transport Edison Briesen … Accountability, Forgery & Bribery? (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/04/24/red-reports-against-premier-nelson-oduber-minister-of-tourism-and-transport-edison-briesen-accountability-forgery-bribery/) – “Party-leader Rudy Lampe of opposition party RED and his fellow party member Armand Hessels reported violation of the accountability act and forgery in the harbour project in Aruba against Premier Nelson Oduber (MEP) and his fellow party member Minister of Tourism and transport, Edison Briesen, with the Public Prosecutor (OM) on Monday afternoon.  According to RED, there is supposedly also bribery involved.”

Thank you, None.  Yes, all Asshats are not created equally as some are bigger Asshats than others!

Silvetti posted that they had hoped to return Natalee to her family by Christmas and all return home, etc.

Next thing we know, he wants to open an office in Aruba all according to Kyle.

I find that interesting, too.

In looking back thru my notes, it appears Silvetti may have been in Aruba mid-May.  That is when Destiny posted pics of the pond here, Kyle confirmed it was "the" pond, and Silvetti ripped Kyle a new one for doing that.

Kyle got differing information on the draining/not draining search/non search of this pond.

From his posts, and the email from Silvetti to him that he shared, it appears Silvetti was in fact on Aruba at that time.

And Silvetti confirmed to Kyle that ALE did NOT drain nor search the pond - it was being done "as we speak" by others.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::     Ain't that the truth, Anna.

I think you're right Edward!

This is a link to a letter that Tx Mom posted on 2/16/09 In NH Thread # 800 Reply 468

TM Says...I guess I'm tired, I can't seem to get the size right on this or grab the text; but this is interesting also.

http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/42Letter%20to%20Fresnos-Trusam-TCB%20Jan%202009.pdf

 

No one drained that "pond" as it is not really even a pond but a storm sewer!

It just dries up like that when there is no rainfall.  All locals would know this, too.  Not a good place to hide anything.

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Yes - that should be 2008.  ::MonkeyCool::

For me as well.

Again wondering WHEN the meeting between Silvetti and ATA/AHATA (ie Breisen) took place........

HO HO HO

Yes, that was a good one.  At least there's one person who is not corrupt on that rock!!

To note - it HAS moved forward with MTSB however - as noted on their website as of Q4 2008.  So something happened to continue it forward.  Just don't know what it was.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Hotping is AWESOME!!

 ::cartwheel::    ::cartwheel::

I've been looking and looking for that link!!  In all the wrong places, obviously...

 ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::

Right!

I do believe it was CAPS who was telling SM that the pond was drained/was being drained.

Kyle was hearing that from someone as well - with contradictory (and correct) information from Silvetti.

Although - it appears Kyle was only hearing portions of the correct information from Silvetti.

Thanks Lifesong......I happen to think that TM is Awesome Also since She found it and posted it and We got to find it Again....  ::MonkeyWink:: Lifesong You are also Awesome because You are the Timeline Creator and I just don't think I could have put the timeline together and I for one Thank You Very Much!



 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

           Good Morning to all Monkey's...You Monkey's are unbelievable!

                             TIME WILL REVEAL THE TRUTH

                         GOD BLESS CAGEMAN AND FAMILY

                    OUR PRAYERS ARE WITH YOU AND FAMILY ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks 2NJ!  I was just gonna ask...   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes, it will! I am pretty much strongly leaning to the new "cargo port" as the "link" instead of an "oil exploration/pipeline" one! (I can't rule out either, though)

He was and you can imagine how my posts stating it just dired up were received at the time!  Of course, I had to be the biggest of liars so as to discredit me and support a couple of favorite theories held by some.

But that did not change the facts of the matter that it just dries up and often, too, so why would any local use it for hiding I don't understand.

Also by Silvetti saying a search was being done by "others" do you suppose he was just going to take the word of those searching for Jose Tromp that there was nothing there and never really planned to do a search of his own?

That's confusing.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   Don't forget, there's a few perfect humans out there.

Wherever the TRUTH takes us Wreck!

May God give them strength in their suffering and loss.  Nothing can return their precious daughter to them, not even this life sentence. 

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Those perfect humans are so focused on us that they aren't even discussing anything.............. ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyCool::

Wreck, You are correct that there is no death penalty under Dutch law.  I think that is pretty well true of the whole EU.  And last I heard the Dutch have in custody a suspect in 9/11 which they refuse to extradite to the U.S. because they don't respect our system and will not extradite someone who may face the death penalty.  So much for treaties and agreements.

You know, back a few months ago when Kyle came on here and stated that there was no way they were mapping for a "pipeline" -- he may have been telling the truth after all. They were mapping for the new cargo harbor!

I agree - no local (Paulus) would be stupid enough to put anything in that pond - knowing it dries up regularly.

It was dry twice between June 2005 and Feb 2008 (that we know of).

I personally feel that Silvetti was at that pond at that time.  To actually search it?  Probably not.  The "by others" he told Kyle about, IMO, was likely himself.  And maybe a Monkey and his "witness"?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Ain't it great that He made them monkeys!

Could be!

There are so many advantages to them being down there!Oil,Port,Start a offshore business,closer to South America for both Silvetti and Schaefer to do business....All they had to do was have an appropriate PROTOCOL set up for the exact reason we're even discussing the cage/trap..That simple fact drives me crazy.Go down there without an American FBI,CIA,NSA operative..Very simple if you ask me.

You can sell a map over and over again.  I was shocked at the amount companies are paying just for the bid specs, which has to include the mapping data - that's a lucrative business right there.

Well, we know John Silvetti found a need to open an office according to Kyle when that was never stated originally.

With all the huge and lucrative contracts being awarded all over the place, I would think any company worth anything could surely find any number of jobs to do.

And of course a harbor is going to be on the outward side of the island, etc. Ease of docking and all that.  Aruba alone had that plus the pipeline for natural gas by itself.

Oh, well - see.  I never even thought of that.

In my little world, if you don't post here - I don't even know you post.

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OK - so for the hotels/resort part of the new harbour, we know that the bribery took place between Oduber/Breisen and this company:

ORANJESTAD, ARUBA-- A joint venture by Sol Meliá and Spanish developer Grupo Trusam to develop a luxury resort has been approved by the government of Aruba. The project will include a Meliá hotel, a casino, a spa, a beach club, several restaurants and other luxury services on the land occupied by the old Hotel Bushiri, which will become the new center of Oranjestad, the capital of Aruba.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-162287449.html

So......................did those two "award" the port itself at that time also?  And the MTBS conducting a "public tender" that has not been quite so public is just an eye wash?

Remember Caps posted that he was going to fle down to Aruba so he may not be local enough to realize everybody knows it dries up from time to time or may not have known that himself.

Julia Renfro posted that she went out and looked at the dry storm sewer, LOL.  Maybe that was the search.

And Mos said that nothing in the "witness" statement connected Joran to the pond as he could have got his clothing wet anywhere.  Not the best of plans, IMO.

TexasMom has ALWAYS been AWESOME !!!


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Thank you, Hotping!

Can someone take a stab at translating this?  It's in Papi

Letter to Prime Minister (Harbor)
February 2009

http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/39Letter%20to%20Prime%20Minister%20Feb%2002,%202009.pdf

And these are in Dutch:

Attachments Letter to President of Parliament (Harbor)
December 2008

http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/41Bijlagen%20Brief%20Fractievoorzitter%20December%209,%202008.pdf

Request Meeting with Minister T&T nr. 2 (Harbor)
December 2008

http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/44Letter%20to%20Minister%20T&T%2011%20December,%202008.pdf

Letter to President of Parliament Nr.2 (Harbor)
December 2008

http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/53Letter%20to%20President%20Parliament%2018%20dec,%202008.pdf

Jen, I think when it says the project is "public tender" it means it is tax funded.  Apparently, bids are made in secret?

Mmmmm, I'd have to look at their website again - but I believe it detailed the differences between a public and a private tender of project bids for competitive purposes.

I guess my thinking on that would be if a project is tax funded, it should be public bids as the taxpayers normally have the right to know how their money is being spent.

But then this is Aruba and so that may not apply.


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If Paulus was over "contracts" for Aruba, would that role be a clearinghouse or pass through for bid process as well?

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Here it is Anna - tell me what you think.

http://www.mtbs.nl/assignment/transaction_advisor_barcadera_port

Netherlands Antilles
2008-2009
mtbs was hired as a transaction advisor by the Ministry of Tourism and Transportation of Aruba to assist the Aruba government by implementing 4 port related investments. The investments concerned a cruise and container terminal, real estate and a free zone. Legal and PPP advise was provided and several strategic scenario's were developed of which the financial feasibility was assessed.
In the second phase mtbs is responsible for implementing the transaction through a competitive tender process.

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I need to save that one Anna ! It's a goody!

I also realize Paulus is no longer over contracts but that's how we learned that role exists within the Aruban system, I didn't mean to imply he still is in that role.

Hotping.Your on a roll...I'm stayin outta your way..Next post 2000.... ::MonkeyDance::

Jen, you are ten times more familiar with this sort of document than I am.  I just think the Aruban one should be public because of it being public authority/tax funded.  Sure seems rather secretive for a public authority, IMO.

Transaction (Public)
From the perspective of a public authority, the transaction proces involves determining and designing the transaction strategy, the preparation and execution of the tender process and the concession and contract negotiation with the private bidders. MTBS is highly experienced in supporting public authorities in all of these stages.

Due to mtbs' unique combination of sector expertise and experience in the maritime and transport sector and the high standard of our financial, transaction and PPP competences, we offer the highest quality service available to public authorities, not in the least because of our transaction advice experience for private clients.

Transaction (Private)
From the perspective of a private investor, a transaction matching the strategic goals of the company requires a sound  preparation and evaluation of the tender process, an optimal bidding strategy and a strong negotiation of the concession contract. MTBS is highly experienced in supporting private investors in all of these stages.

Due to mtbs' unique combination of sector expertise and experience in the maritime and transport sector and the high standard of our financial, transaction and PPP competences, we offer the highest quality service available to private investors, not in the least because of our transaction advice experience for public autorities.

Transaction Advisor Barcadera Port
Netherlands Antilles
2008-2009
mtbs was hired as a transaction advisor by the Ministry of Tourism and Transportation of Aruba to assist the Aruba government by implementing 4 port related investments. The investments concerned a cruise and container terminal, real estate and a free zone. Legal and PPP advise was provided and several strategic scenario's were developed of which the financial feasibility was assessed.
In the second phase mtbs is responsible for implementing the transaction through a competitive tender process.


http://www.mtbs.nl/assignment/transaction_advisor_barcadera_port

jen ... I am curious about that too.  The ATA/AHATA have been part of the misinformation campaign from the getgo to distance Paulus and Joran from implication in the events that encompass the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and ... perserve the image of "One Happy Island".

What leads Dave Holloway to believe that this ministry would support any endeavor that just may reveal the truth encompassing the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for his daughter?  Mark Purcell?

Janet

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jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »

The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount. So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets.  Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found herI don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 158:  The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us.


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 194: It's quiet in the room when i add, 'Oh, come on. Everyone knows there was a cover-up.' And to this, Jorge Pesquera, president and CEO of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, shrugs his shoulders, nods in the affirmative, and says softly, 'Yes...yes there was'."


The Strategic Communications Task Force
June, 2005

Who We Are

The Strategic Communications Task Force is a working group established in Aruba to address the issues surrounding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Task Force includes representatives from AHATA (Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association), ATA (Aruba Tourism Authority), business and government leaders

"The Strategic Communications Task Force’s goal is to stay abreast of all developments in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, verify if information given is truthful and bring forward the correct facts when necessary.  The Task Force also aims to inform the public and media whenever there is information that can be shared and monitor media coverage both locally and internationally in an effort to prevent and minimize any damage to the economic wellbeing of Aruba."

http://www.aruba.com/nholloway/taskforce.htm


Thursday, March 8, 2007
TASK FORCE FUELED NEGATIVE POSTINGS

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/03/task-force-fueled-negative-postings.html

But don't you know he wishes he was still in charge with all these huge contracts being let for bid!

I wonder who writes the government contracts now?  In this case, it would seem the Spanish company is now in charge of all the port bidding.  Will they also be allowed to write the final contracts I wonder.


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Anna - you are correct, they list the Barcadera port as being a "public" transaction.

To my understanding, that also means that details of the transaction should be made public.

But..............who knows?

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Janet - I'm just as baffled by that action of Dave's as you are.  ::MonkeyConfused::

None - I would have to presume that the office Paulus once held would be the one to write up these contracts.  No clue who occupies that position at this point in time.

I surely don't but it should be.  And if it were to be made public, it would likely be on the internet because of international companies being involved and yet it well may not be since those interested in the oil are "secret" which is strange for public authorities.  Not usually tolerated by the taxpayers.

here's a very interesting post about the use of GHB and ectasy within a rape gang operating out of the netherlands, the fact they are a gay group of rapists isn't a point--its that this demonstrates the proclivity to use these drugs by groups to get what they want when it isn't available through traditional means, like dating, and that those in authority are afraid is a developing aspect of the culture itself

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21831375-1702,00.html

joran should have joined this group; they are right up his alley...or right up something, anyway

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http://www.mtbs.nl/assignment/transaction_advisor_barcadera_port

Transaction Advisor Barcadera Port
Netherlands Antilles
2008-2009
mtbs was hired as a transaction advisor by the Ministry of Tourism and Transportation of Aruba to assist the Aruba government by implementing 4 port related investments. The investments concerned a cruise and container terminal, real estate and a free zone. Legal and PPP advise was provided and several strategic scenario's were developed of which the financial feasibility was assessed.
In the second phase mtbs is responsible for implementing the transaction through a competitive tender process.
Attached Images

It appears that John Silvetti is implying that Kyle Kingman is inexperienced.

Think about it.  John Silvetti embarks on a huge undertaking in an attempt to locate the remains of Natalee Holloway and ... takes on board an inexperienced ROV operator and analyst by the name of Kyle Kingman to assist in the task.

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GMAB!

Janet

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jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »

The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount.  So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found herI don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


Kyle Kingman
Geophysicist and Marine Geologist
Greater New York City Area

Current Manager at Kingman Geophysical Solutions
Past Manager at Kingman Geophysical Solutions
Education Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey-New Brunswick

Kyle Kingman’s Summary
Kyle Kingman’s Specialties:
Project Management, Sonar Acquisition, hydrographic survey, data processing, remote sensing data analysis

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand and he said he's going to tell the parents. I said definitely not until we sample the trap and get results. He made the call to Dave and Beth independently.

Or is he calling Tim Miller inexperienced?  I wonder how many remains Tim Miller has located and seen versus John Silvetti?  TM was at the least there and saw the initial dive.

And when Tim "Lighttanks" Trahan gave the thumbs down sign, Tim expressed his disbelief.
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Hotping ... thank you for all your research.  You are really on a roll.

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 I am anticipating Lifesong incorporating it all into her timeline so ... I can comprehend the whole picture.

Hey ... any updates on whether or not grandson will be staying with you this coming weekend?

Janet

Well...I think this says that MTBS was hired.  That's straightforward.  And according to TM's & Hotping's link, the head of the Port Authority doesn't think Briesen has the power to just hire them.

I think it says MTBS was hired as a transaction advisor and, in phase 2, will accept bids to implement the transaction. 

Like a consultant, or a general contractor, MTBS is the project management company that will oversee the project.  Anyplace in America, MTBS would have had to bid for that consulting contract, instead it sounds like they were just hired.

LOL - Not to mention the "dozens" of successful projects with Silvetti Kyle has listed on his resume.

One would think if that was his opinion of Kyle, he would have figured that out after the first couple of jobs?

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I agree - that is precisely my take on the scenario.

And with the companies already hired fort he hotel/casino/resort portion of this 4 part project - that just leaves the container and cruise ship ports to be as yet unknown as regards the awarded company (ies)