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Title: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 - 3/17/09am
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 11, 2009, 08:15:42 PM
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Natalee2.swf



JUSTICE FOR NATALEE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 12, 2009, 08:33:19 PM
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t209/60SHOTWAX/dancinggranny.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 12, 2009, 08:34:41 PM
I declare, Janet.  You weren't even around. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 12, 2009, 08:36:46 PM
I declare, Janet.  You weren't even around. ::MonkeyHaHa::

She cleaned house and cooked really fast so she could come back!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 12, 2009, 08:37:30 PM
 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 12, 2009, 08:40:15 PM
I declare, Janet.  You weren't even around. ::MonkeyHaHa::

We'll have to code talk next time.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 12, 2009, 08:43:31 PM
If you haven't watched Klaas' little Natalee movie at the top lately, do so.

It is really lovely.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 12, 2009, 08:43:36 PM
Mother preaches travel safety
Kaitlyn Tucker
Staff Writer
Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009
There were few dry eyes in the Bologna Performing Arts Center Tuesday by the time Beth Holloway concluded her presentation.
Holloway came to Delta State University to speak to college students, high school juniors and seniors, as well as parents, about travel safety.
Her story is a familiar one to most in the audience.
On May 30, 2005, her daughter, Natalee, went missing during a graduation trip to Aruba.
“She didn’t get to go to college like she planned,” said Holloway. “She didn’t get to do any of the things she’d planned. She was kidnapped, raped and murdered on the last night of her vacation.”
Natalee’s friends reported the 18-year-old missing after she did not return to their hotel or show up to the airport on their last day in Aruba.
“We discussed certain safety issues before she left,” Holloway remembered. “I told her to watch out for herself at the night clubs they’d be going to. Four days later, my cell phone rang.
“It was a number I didn’t recognize,” continued Holloway. “Her friends had called to say that no one had seen her.
“I had to find out what happened.”
Holloway flew to Aruba and launched a search for her missing daughter.
She arrived at the same hotel where Natalee and her high school friends had stayed.
“We found her clothes packed neatly, her passport, her cell phone,” said Holloway. “She was all set to come home.”
For the next week, Holloway searched for her daughter without eating, sleeping or bathing.
After a whirlwind week of putting up flyers, searching through brothels and crack houses and trying to discover what had happened to Natalee, Holloway was dealt a blow.
“On the fourth morning, we got back to the hotel in the wee hours of the morning,” said Holloway. “There was a knock on our door. It was one of the hotel employees telling us the security tapes were ready.”
Holloway entered a room lined with Aruban police officers and sat down to watch the tapes from the hotel lobby from the night Natalee disappeared.
Holloway and the investigators had been told that Juran Van der Sloot and two of his friends dropped Natalee off at the hotel.
Natalee never walked through the door.
“After being numb for days, there was pain,” Holloway said.
Holloway had known 17-year-old Van der Sloot was one of the last people to see Natalee. She had confronted him early on in the investigation.
“He bought drinks for her,” Holloway said. “He graphically described the sexual acts he did with her as she fell asleep and woke back up. He described Natalee getting out of the car, stumbling and bumping her head going in to the hotel.”
Nearly three years later, Van der Sloot confessed to the crimes while in a taxicab. A Dutch crime reporter named Peter De Vries had a hidden camera set up in the vehicle and the confession was caught on tape.
“He said that she had a seizure,” said Holloway. “He said that he didn’t know what to do and wasn’t sure if she was alive or not.
“He arranged someone to take her body out to sea,” Holloway continued. “I believe a date rape drug was used and Natalee overdosed.
“Aruban authorities will not take action against (Van der Sloot), a judge’s son.”
Holloway’s own experiences have lead her to teach travel safety and education to young people across 25 states.
“I think it’s the best way to remember Natalee,” she said. “The best thing I can ask is that you initiate a full circle safety plan.
“You are the only one who can save yourself,” continued Holloway. “Thoroughly prepare before you leave. Get educated about where you’re going.”
Holloway suggested learning basic laws of any country you’re visiting, as well as locations and phone numbers for the American Consulate and police precincts.
“Activate international calling,” said Holloway, remembering Natalee’s cell phone laying in her hotel room. She had left it because she did not have international calling.
“Never tell anyone what day you’re leaving,” continued Holloway. “The entire island knew it was Mountain Brook High School’s last night.”
Holloway noted that in some tourist locations, like Aruba, visitors are likely to get taken advantage of on their last day.
“If they know when you leave, they know you have a plane to catch and will be less likely to file a report,” explained Holloway.
“No matter what, personal safety is up to you,” Holloway continued. “Create a plan and take it full circle.”
The evening ended with a video tribute to Natalee.


Copyright © 2009 The Bolivar Commercial, a division of Cleveland Newspapers, Inc. All rights reserved.

The information contained herein is protected by the copyright laws of the United States. The copyright laws prohibit any copying, redistributing, retransmitting, broadcasting or repurposing of any copyright-protected material. 

http://www.bolivarcom.com/index.cfm?event=news.view&id=F7564D1C-19B9-E2E2-67A38D7B28954FA8


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 12, 2009, 08:44:33 PM
I declare, Janet.  You weren't even around. ::MonkeyHaHa::

She cleaned house and cooked really fast so she could come back!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance::

I am just amazing.  What else can I say?

 ::MonkeyTongue::

I just waiting for the sound of hubby's vehicle coming up the driveway to put the last minute touches on dinner.

Janet







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 12, 2009, 08:44:51 PM
I declare, Janet.  You weren't even around. ::MonkeyHaHa::

We'll have to code talk next time.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Yellow Hammer = Yellow Hummer code talk?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 12, 2009, 08:47:15 PM
If you haven't watched Klaas' little Natalee movie at the top lately, do so.

It is really lovely.

Yes it is, I love it.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 12, 2009, 08:50:08 PM
I declare, Janet.  You weren't even around. ::MonkeyHaHa::

We'll have to code talk next time.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Yellow Hammer = Yellow Hummer code talk?

Janet told me earlier today that I sounded like Caps! ::MonkeyWaa::

That was before she started doing the Hinky. ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 12, 2009, 08:56:27 PM
Anna thank you for posting the write-up, good to see Beth is still spreading her message and that the press is still giving it notice.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 12, 2009, 08:59:06 PM
I declare, Janet.  You weren't even around. ::MonkeyHaHa::

We'll have to code talk next time.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Yellow Hammer = Yellow Hummer code talk?

Janet told me earlier today that I sounded like Caps! ::MonkeyWaa::

That was before she started doing the Hinky. ::cartwheel::

No, Magnolia, no one sounds like Caps!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 12, 2009, 09:07:51 PM
Anna thank you for posting the write-up, good to see Beth is still spreading her message and that the press is still giving it notice.



I agree, and it's good information for all to read and think about. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 12, 2009, 09:10:26 PM
Anna thank you for posting the write-up, good to see Beth is still spreading her message and that the press is still giving it notice.



I agree, and it's good information for all to read and think about. 

Beth just continues to quietly speak for her daughter.  I would think that anyone who attended one of her presentations would never forget it and always think of justice for Natalee as well.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Edward on March 12, 2009, 09:35:17 PM
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t209/60SHOTWAX/dancinggranny.gif)

I think People of all ages are catching onto this HINKY thing you have going on there  ::MonkeyWink::


(http://s161.photobucket.com/albums/t209/60SHOTWAX/th_mz_06_10031885850.gif)

(http://s161.photobucket.com/albums/t209/60SHOTWAX/th_dancer-1.gif)

(http://s161.photobucket.com/albums/t209/60SHOTWAX/th_capridancers.gif)

I think you have started a new craze Janet.. ::MonkeyWink::



I know my kids are twisted over that "I Like You" Monkey, YouTube video that Klassend posted some time back..

When they wont wake up in the morning I play it loud for them..  ::MonkeyDance::

My daughter says she can't get it out of her head...  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Sorry I need to learn to embed..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrQyCF65u_0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 12, 2009, 09:38:16 PM
Good evening.  It is snowing here tonight.  Up to 3 inches expected.  Monday (or was it Tuesday) it was 82 degrees.  Daffodils, peony's, day lilys, bradford pears, dogwoods are all budded out and the snow against all that is pretty.

My question for the evening, what has become of the ROV video?  Has it been sold or was it turned over to ALE in exchange for something else?

I think this needs to be our next project.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 12, 2009, 09:40:59 PM
Edward,

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 12, 2009, 09:42:06 PM
http://www.diarioaruba.com/diahuebs/noticia/news1.html

Aruba, Diahuebs 12 Maart 2009

Papiamentu translation:

actitud ugly of security contra one family of handicap berguenza nacional thing owing to happen on beach of marriott ocean club

(http://www.diarioaruba.com/diahuebs/noticia/marriottberguenza2.jpg)

oranjestad (aan): kico they will bay tell now? sorry, we apologize? one eye blauw is thing aruba owing to stay cune on diaranzon nightfall, hour cu personalnan of security of marriott’s ocean club owing to actua at one form ugly contra one family cu have miembronan handicap y cu was on beach.

just now cu turism is so fragil y delicado, hendenan is actua so? always have solucion for all problem, y gerencia y security can owing to check one another solucion, y not immidiately haci thing owing to socede on beach.

the family of mericanonan here owing to cumpra timeshare for 4 week at marriott’s surf club, y cada year they're come aruba. they have one child that is handicap, y also they have one abuelo cu also is handicap y not can talk.

they're wait for cu much entusiasmo for arrive aruba cada year for goza of his sea blauw y sweet breeze of air.

(http://www.diarioaruba.com/diahuebs/noticia/marriottberguenza1.jpg)

morning they're arise trempan for busca chair more close posible of sea, because the personanan handicap here not can actuate much. of ey self they can immidiately arrive close in water, cual alavez is suministra one alivio terapeutico for they.

but hour cu surf club owing to worde construi, not owing to let mucho espacio on beach for her turistanan have espacio for disfruta of sea. all morning 6’or the family is bay beach, for so busca for achieve lugar close of sea, for her child handicap have acceso facil.

sinembargo diaranzon owing to become uno dark for they. they owing to bay place chair on the beach close of sea, just fast marriott’s ocean club. in oranan of afternoon, security guard owing to bay for they!

thing owing to happen was algo ugly y cu owing to let turistanan eybanda babuca! security guard owing to immidiately tell they cu because; cu they're of surf club, they not mag of sit eynan, y owing to immidiately less the stulnan for the family.

so security owing to place the children handicap sit abao! hello? this is the form corecto of deal turistanan, just now cu the crisis global is reduciendo the cantidad of passenger bulando all caminda?

in the sand cayente, the child handicap owing to stay eybao, while cu can owing to see cu the family owing to stay emocionalmente break. is seems cu at aruba, the message mundial of “barrier free” for personanan handicap not have value?

several tourist owing to stay desapunta in thing gerencia y security owing to haci, y abiertamente owing to cuminza protest. the form ugly of deal one family (kende have 4 week cumpra of timeshare at marriott) cu have miembronan handicap, owing to worde categoriza because; one “berguenza nacional” for aruba.

just now cu have one spotlight ugly on hotelnan at aruba: river palace aruba hotel is hayando bad name for cantidad of ladronicia, y now marriott ocean club is hayando bad name for her trato give at hendenan handicap. algo cu do not ‘politically correct’. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 12, 2009, 09:48:15 PM
Not new info but I thought I'd post it anyway:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2009-03-12-pollan-natalee-holloway_N.htm

(http://i.usatoday.net/life/_photos/2009/03/13/pollanx-large.jpg)

Pollan plays Natalee Holloway's mother

By Gary Strauss, USA TODAY
As the mother of four, Tracy Pollan could relate to the plight of Beth Holloway Twitty, whom she plays in Lifetime Movie Network's Natalee Holloway (April 19, 8 ET/9 PT ).
Holloway is the Alabama teen who disappeared on a 2005 trip to Aruba. "I felt so much compassion for her, " Pollan says of Twitty, from the set in South Africa. "That could be my daughter."

Holloway (Amy Gumenick) disappeared after partying with several local men. Although suspects were detained, no one was charged in the case.

The movie is based on Twitty's Loving Natalee. Pollan says it was initially tough to see Twitty. "It's still an open wound," says Pollan, 48. "Every day, the scenes must have been gut-wrenching. But she's an amazing person."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 12, 2009, 09:56:05 PM
Good evening.  It is snowing here tonight.  Up to 3 inches expected.  Monday (or was it Tuesday) it was 82 degrees.  Daffodils, peony's, day lilys, bradford pears, dogwoods are all budded out and the snow against all that is pretty.

My question for the evening, what has become of the ROV video?  Has it been sold or was it turned over to ALE in exchange for something else?
I think this needs to be our next project.

This was discussed a little at the tail end of the last thread, based on Kyles words.  Not sure of how many people now have the video other than Kyle and key persons on the Persistence, per the statements we have read. 

Edit:  oops


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on March 12, 2009, 09:59:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scEgX_CI2P8&feature=related


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 12, 2009, 10:33:55 PM
Good evening.  It is snowing here tonight.  Up to 3 inches expected.  Monday (or was it Tuesday) it was 82 degrees.  Daffodils, peony's, day lilys, bradford pears, dogwoods are all budded out and the snow against all that is pretty.

My question for the evening, what has become of the ROV video?  Has it been sold or was it turned over to ALE in exchange for something else?
I think this needs to be our next project.

This was discussed a little at the tale end of the last thread, based on Kyles words.  Not sure of how many people now have the video other than Kyle and key persons on the Persistence, per the statements we have read. 
If everything is on the "up and up" -- there should be NO problem releasing ALL ROV footage!! Right???  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 12, 2009, 10:43:28 PM
Good evening.  It is snowing here tonight.  Up to 3 inches expected.  Monday (or was it Tuesday) it was 82 degrees.  Daffodils, peony's, day lilys, bradford pears, dogwoods are all budded out and the snow against all that is pretty.

My question for the evening, what has become of the ROV video?  Has it been sold or was it turned over to ALE in exchange for something else?
I think this needs to be our next project.

This was discussed a little at the tale end of the last thread, based on Kyles words.  Not sure of how many people now have the video other than Kyle and key persons on the Persistence, per the statements we have read. 
If everything is on the "up and up" -- there should be NO problem releasing ALL ROV footage!! Right???  ::MonkeyRoll::

One would think so, Wreck.  Someday, soon......?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 12, 2009, 10:45:30 PM
Mother preaches travel safety
Kaitlyn Tucker
Staff Writer
Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009
There were few dry eyes in the Bologna Performing Arts Center Tuesday by the time Beth Holloway concluded her presentation.
Holloway came to Delta State University to speak to college students, high school juniors and seniors, as well as parents, about travel safety.
Her story is a familiar one to most in the audience.
On May 30, 2005, her daughter, Natalee, went missing during a graduation trip to Aruba.
“She didn’t get to go to college like she planned,” said Holloway. “She didn’t get to do any of the things she’d planned. She was kidnapped, raped and murdered on the last night of her vacation.”
Natalee’s friends reported the 18-year-old missing after she did not return to their hotel or show up to the airport on their last day in Aruba.
“We discussed certain safety issues before she left,” Holloway remembered. “I told her to watch out for herself at the night clubs they’d be going to. Four days later, my cell phone rang.
“It was a number I didn’t recognize,” continued Holloway. “Her friends had called to say that no one had seen her.
“I had to find out what happened.”
Holloway flew to Aruba and launched a search for her missing daughter.
She arrived at the same hotel where Natalee and her high school friends had stayed.
“We found her clothes packed neatly, her passport, her cell phone,” said Holloway. “She was all set to come home.”
For the next week, Holloway searched for her daughter without eating, sleeping or bathing.
After a whirlwind week of putting up flyers, searching through brothels and crack houses and trying to discover what had happened to Natalee, Holloway was dealt a blow.
“On the fourth morning, we got back to the hotel in the wee hours of the morning,” said Holloway. “There was a knock on our door. It was one of the hotel employees telling us the security tapes were ready.”
Holloway entered a room lined with Aruban police officers and sat down to watch the tapes from the hotel lobby from the night Natalee disappeared.
Holloway and the investigators had been told that Juran Van der Sloot and two of his friends dropped Natalee off at the hotel.
Natalee never walked through the door.
“After being numb for days, there was pain,” Holloway said.
Holloway had known 17-year-old Van der Sloot was one of the last people to see Natalee. She had confronted him early on in the investigation.
“He bought drinks for her,” Holloway said. “He graphically described the sexual acts he did with her as she fell asleep and woke back up. He described Natalee getting out of the car, stumbling and bumping her head going in to the hotel.”
Nearly three years later, Van der Sloot confessed to the crimes while in a taxicab. A Dutch crime reporter named Peter De Vries had a hidden camera set up in the vehicle and the confession was caught on tape.
“He said that she had a seizure,” said Holloway. “He said that he didn’t know what to do and wasn’t sure if she was alive or not.
“He arranged someone to take her body out to sea,” Holloway continued. “I believe a date rape drug was used and Natalee overdosed.
“Aruban authorities will not take action against (Van der Sloot), a judge’s son.”
Holloway’s own experiences have lead her to teach travel safety and education to young people across 25 states.
“I think it’s the best way to remember Natalee,” she said. “The best thing I can ask is that you initiate a full circle safety plan.
“You are the only one who can save yourself,” continued Holloway. “Thoroughly prepare before you leave. Get educated about where you’re going.”
Holloway suggested learning basic laws of any country you’re visiting, as well as locations and phone numbers for the American Consulate and police precincts.
“Activate international calling,” said Holloway, remembering Natalee’s cell phone laying in her hotel room. She had left it because she did not have international calling.
“Never tell anyone what day you’re leaving,” continued Holloway. “The entire island knew it was Mountain Brook High School’s last night.”
Holloway noted that in some tourist locations, like Aruba, visitors are likely to get taken advantage of on their last day.
“If they know when you leave, they know you have a plane to catch and will be less likely to file a report,” explained Holloway.
“No matter what, personal safety is up to you,” Holloway continued. “Create a plan and take it full circle.”
The evening ended with a video tribute to Natalee.


Copyright © 2009 The Bolivar Commercial, a division of Cleveland Newspapers, Inc. All rights reserved.

The information contained herein is protected by the copyright laws of the United States. The copyright laws prohibit any copying, redistributing, retransmitting, broadcasting or repurposing of any copyright-protected material. 

http://www.bolivarcom.com/index.cfm?event=news.view&id=F7564D1C-19B9-E2E2-67A38D7B28954FA8

Beth Holloway is a bright shinning beacon of light who has reached beyond the darknes has changed her life forever.  Beth offers such great advice.  I only hope young people will heed it.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 12, 2009, 10:47:18 PM
Good evening.  It is snowing here tonight.  Up to 3 inches expected.  Monday (or was it Tuesday) it was 82 degrees.  Daffodils, peony's, day lilys, bradford pears, dogwoods are all budded out and the snow against all that is pretty.

My question for the evening, what has become of the ROV video?  Has it been sold or was it turned over to ALE in exchange for something else?
I think this needs to be our next project.

This was discussed a little at the tale end of the last thread, based on Kyles words.  Not sure of how many people now have the video other than Kyle and key persons on the Persistence, per the statements we have read. 
If everything is on the "up and up" -- there should be NO problem releasing ALL ROV footage!! Right???  ::MonkeyRoll::


Unless they sold all rights to the ROV footage. ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 12, 2009, 10:49:01 PM
Good evening.  It is snowing here tonight.  Up to 3 inches expected.  Monday (or was it Tuesday) it was 82 degrees.  Daffodils, peony's, day lilys, bradford pears, dogwoods are all budded out and the snow against all that is pretty.

My question for the evening, what has become of the ROV video?  Has it been sold or was it turned over to ALE in exchange for something else?
I think this needs to be our next project.

This was discussed a little at the tale end of the last thread, based on Kyles words.  Not sure of how many people now have the video other than Kyle and key persons on the Persistence, per the statements we have read. 
If everything is on the "up and up" -- there should be NO problem releasing ALL ROV footage!! Right???  ::MonkeyRoll::


Unless they sold all rights to the ROV footage. ::MonkeyShocked::
................... and the "buyer" was probably Aruba/AHATA!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 12, 2009, 10:50:31 PM
Good evening.  It is snowing here tonight.  Up to 3 inches expected.  Monday (or was it Tuesday) it was 82 degrees.  Daffodils, peony's, day lilys, bradford pears, dogwoods are all budded out and the snow against all that is pretty.

My question for the evening, what has become of the ROV video?  Has it been sold or was it turned over to ALE in exchange for something else?

I think this needs to be our next project.


 ::MonkeyShocked::

Thank goodness for the ROV images that Robin Holloway and Kyle Kingman did release.  Thank goodness for the Natalee's Freebirds sharing Kyle Kingman's own words pertaining to the John Silvetti betrayal of family ... betrayal of those who prayerfully and monetarily support the Persistence search for Natalee Holloway's remains.

Janet


 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 12, 2009, 10:53:01 PM
Good evening.  It is snowing here tonight.  Up to 3 inches expected.  Monday (or was it Tuesday) it was 82 degrees.  Daffodils, peony's, day lilys, bradford pears, dogwoods are all budded out and the snow against all that is pretty.

My question for the evening, what has become of the ROV video?  Has it been sold or was it turned over to ALE in exchange for something else?
I think this needs to be our next project.

This was discussed a little at the tale end of the last thread, based on Kyles words.  Not sure of how many people now have the video other than Kyle and key persons on the Persistence, per the statements we have read. 
If everything is on the "up and up" -- there should be NO problem releasing ALL ROV footage!! Right???  ::MonkeyRoll::


Unless they sold all rights to the ROV footage. ::MonkeyShocked::

How can you sell evidence in a missing persons case???Anyone..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 12, 2009, 11:08:11 PM
Good evening.  It is snowing here tonight.  Up to 3 inches expected.  Monday (or was it Tuesday) it was 82 degrees.  Daffodils, peony's, day lilys, bradford pears, dogwoods are all budded out and the snow against all that is pretty.

My question for the evening, what has become of the ROV video?  Has it been sold or was it turned over to ALE in exchange for something else?
I think this needs to be our next project.

This was discussed a little at the tale end of the last thread, based on Kyles words.  Not sure of how many people now have the video other than Kyle and key persons on the Persistence, per the statements we have read. 
If everything is on the "up and up" -- there should be NO problem releasing ALL ROV footage!! Right???  ::MonkeyRoll::


Unless they sold all rights to the ROV footage. ::MonkeyShocked::

How can you sell evidence in a missing persons case???Anyone..

I do not have a clue Keepthefaith.

However ... I believe that the FBI has enough with Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the suspicious happenings on board the Persistence as well as the ROV images to haul Kyle Kingman, Tim Trahan, John Silvetti and Louis Shaefer in for questioning.  Then there are the perspectives of other crew members.

Keepthefaith ... I can sense that you are really have a rough time of it.  I hope you will be on the mend really soon.

Hugs

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 12, 2009, 11:10:34 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 12, 2009, 11:12:51 PM
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t209/60SHOTWAX/dancinggranny.gif)

I think People of all ages are catching onto this HINKY thing you have going on there  ::MonkeyWink::


(http://s161.photobucket.com/albums/t209/60SHOTWAX/th_mz_06_10031885850.gif)

(http://s161.photobucket.com/albums/t209/60SHOTWAX/th_dancer-1.gif)

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I think you have started a new craze Janet.. ::MonkeyWink::



I know my kids are twisted over that "I Like You" Monkey, YouTube video that Klassend posted some time back..

When they wont wake up in the morning I play it loud for them..  ::MonkeyDance::

My daughter says she can't get it out of her head...  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Sorry I need to learn to embed..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrQyCF65u_0

Edward ... to get my kids out of bed ... I used to open their doors ... stick my head through the door and belt out "It's a Beautiful Morning".  Considering ... I have never been able to carry a turn ... it worked every time.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 12, 2009, 11:14:13 PM
Looks like the server went down for a couple minutes.  Back up now!

I thought I was banned.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

I promise never to be off topic again.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 12, 2009, 11:16:24 PM
Good evening.  It is snowing here tonight.  Up to 3 inches expected.  Monday (or was it Tuesday) it was 82 degrees.  Daffodils, peony's, day lilys, bradford pears, dogwoods are all budded out and the snow against all that is pretty.

My question for the evening, what has become of the ROV video?  Has it been sold or was it turned over to ALE in exchange for something else?
I think this needs to be our next project.

This was discussed a little at the tale end of the last thread, based on Kyles words.  Not sure of how many people now have the video other than Kyle and key persons on the Persistence, per the statements we have read. 
If everything is on the "up and up" -- there should be NO problem releasing ALL ROV footage!! Right???  ::MonkeyRoll::


Unless they sold all rights to the ROV footage. ::MonkeyShocked::

How can you sell evidence in a missing persons case???Anyone..

I do not have a clue Keepthefaith.

However ... I believe that the FBI has enough with Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the suspicious happenings on board the Persistence as well as the ROV images to haul Kyle Kingman, Tim Trahan, John Silvetti and Louis Shaefer in for questioning.  Then there are the perspectives of other crew members.

Keepthefaith ... I can sense that you are really have a rough time of it.  I hope you will be on the mend really soon.

Hugs

Janet

Still a little worn out but overall feeing better!Can't count how many bowls of chicken noodle soup,glasses of orange juice,warm water with fresh squeezed lemon juice....THE BATTLE CONTINUES.... ::MonkeyDance::

I was just pondering about something that is potential evidence,never turned over to the FBI and the family being sold for profit..Hinky or Illegal?Just a thought.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 12, 2009, 11:28:21 PM

Still a little worn out but overall feeing better!Can't count how many bowls of chicken noodle soup,glasses of orange juice,warm water with fresh squeezed lemon juice....THE BATTLE CONTINUES.... ::MonkeyDance::

I was just pondering about something that is potential evidence,never turned over to the FBI and the family being sold for profit..Hinky or Illegal?Just a thought.

Glad you're feeling better KTF!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

How do ya like that stack?????   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 12, 2009, 11:30:18 PM


KTF,
Forgot to add....if it's not illegal; it should be!    ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 12, 2009, 11:36:23 PM


Houston, we've got problems!

I keep getting shut out!   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 12, 2009, 11:38:24 PM
Something Hinky.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

A mistake was made with an introduction to a March, 2009 airing of a Natalee Holloway program but ... a mistake was also made in January, 2009.  I do not think so.

I contend there must be a Kurtis Production somewhere out there covering the Persistence search for Natalee Holloway's remains in the Aruban waters.

Janet

++++++++


What Happened to Natalee Holloway?
Thursday 12 March 8:00AM HK/SIN/MAL 7:00AM Thai/WIB
Thursday 12 March 2:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 1:00PM Thai/WIB
Saturday 14 March 1:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 12:00PM Thai/WIB


In December of 2007, eight men from across the United States will set out on an extraordinary mission. On a specially equipped, multi-million dollar ship, they will travel to the deep waters off the island of Aruba. They are searching not for sunken treasure, but something far more valuable to them – a missing 18 year-old named Natalee Holloway.

The leader of the effort is Tim Miller, founder of Texas EquuSearch and the father of a 16 year- old girl who was kidnapped and murdered in 1984. Miller has now taken on the recovery of Natalee Holloway as a personal calling. Miller and Natalee Holloway’s father Dave Holloway, believe that Natalee was likely placed in a crab trap or a steel drum and dumped 3-5 miles offshore, which is where they will focus the search.

Miller has assembled a team of underwater engineering experts from Underwater Expeditions and will bring an arsenal of resources, including hi-tech sonar scanning equipment, underwater video and the help of the FBI and Dutch authorities. The team has but one goal: to bring Natalee home.

Kurtis Productions has been granted exclusive access to what will be the most extensive deep water search to date for Holloway’s body. In this documentary special, Bill Kurtis will join the search and document the recovery mission. He will also revisit Natalee Holloway’s disappearance and subsequent investigation to try and answer the questions on everyone’s mind – where is Natalee? And will her case ever be solved?

http://www.citvasia.com/detailssynopsis.aspx?libId=336&sId=168&sTime=1200


What Happened To Natalee Holloway
1 Jan, 09 Sky's blog | | 86 reads
CRIME & INVESTIGATION – Sunday 11 January, 9.30pm


In December of 2007, eight men from across the United States set out on an extraordinary mission. On a specially equipped, multi-million dollar ship, they will travel to the deep waters off the island of Aruba. They are searching not for sunken treasure, but something far more valuable to them, a missing 18 year-old named Natalee Holloway

http://www.throng.co.nz/documentary/what-happened-natalee-holloway



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 12, 2009, 11:40:23 PM
I am off to have a game of something with hubby.

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
8:40 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 12, 2009, 11:42:02 PM
I am off to have a game of something with hubby.

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
8:40 PM PT

Goodnight Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 12, 2009, 11:42:03 PM
Looks like the server went down for a couple minutes.  Back up now!

I thought I was banned.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

I promise never to be off topic again.

Janet

mmmmm.....ya think?    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 12, 2009, 11:43:09 PM
Looks like the server went down for a couple minutes.  Back up now!

I thought I was banned.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

I promise never to be off topic again.

Janet

mmmmm.....ya think?    ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 12, 2009, 11:45:50 PM
Something Hinky.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

A mistake was made with an introduction to a March, 2009 airing of a Natalee Holloway program but ... a mistake was also made in January, 2009.  I do not think so.

I contend there must be a Kurtis Production somewhere out there covering the Persistence search for Natalee Holloway's remains in the Aruban waters.

Janet

++++++++


What Happened to Natalee Holloway?
Thursday 12 March 8:00AM HK/SIN/MAL 7:00AM Thai/WIB
Thursday 12 March 2:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 1:00PM Thai/WIB
Saturday 14 March 1:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 12:00PM Thai/WIB


In December of 2007, eight men from across the United States will set out on an extraordinary mission. On a specially equipped, multi-million dollar ship, they will travel to the deep waters off the island of Aruba. They are searching not for sunken treasure, but something far more valuable to them – a missing 18 year-old named Natalee Holloway.

The leader of the effort is Tim Miller, founder of Texas EquuSearch and the father of a 16 year- old girl who was kidnapped and murdered in 1984. Miller has now taken on the recovery of Natalee Holloway as a personal calling. Miller and Natalee Holloway’s father Dave Holloway, believe that Natalee was likely placed in a crab trap or a steel drum and dumped 3-5 miles offshore, which is where they will focus the search.

Miller has assembled a team of underwater engineering experts from Underwater Expeditions and will bring an arsenal of resources, including hi-tech sonar scanning equipment, underwater video and the help of the FBI and Dutch authorities. The team has but one goal: to bring Natalee home.

Kurtis Productions has been granted exclusive access to what will be the most extensive deep water search to date for Holloway’s body. In this documentary special, Bill Kurtis will join the search and document the recovery mission. He will also revisit Natalee Holloway’s disappearance and subsequent investigation to try and answer the questions on everyone’s mind – where is Natalee? And will her case ever be solved?

http://www.citvasia.com/detailssynopsis.aspx?libId=336&sId=168&sTime=1200


What Happened To Natalee Holloway
1 Jan, 09 Sky's blog | | 86 reads
CRIME & INVESTIGATION – Sunday 11 January, 9.30pm


In December of 2007, eight men from across the United States set out on an extraordinary mission. On a specially equipped, multi-million dollar ship, they will travel to the deep waters off the island of Aruba. They are searching not for sunken treasure, but something far more valuable to them, a missing 18 year-old named Natalee Holloway

http://www.throng.co.nz/documentary/what-happened-natalee-holloway



They said it was a mistake, but was it really?  (and did they care?)   We'll see...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 12, 2009, 11:49:12 PM
I hope Jen will phone her source again and find out what up.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 12, 2009, 11:51:20 PM
Looks like the server went down for a couple minutes.  Back up now!

I thought I was banned.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

I promise never to be off topic again.

Janet

mmmmm.....ya think?    ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

She's like a vacuum....just sucks you in....  ::MonkeyHaHa::

G'nite, Janet....win the game & don't tell us about it in the AM....just kidding.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 13, 2009, 12:05:00 AM
Goodnight, all.  Hope I didn't over do my kidding. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 13, 2009, 12:08:06 AM
Goodnight, all.  Hope I didn't over do my kidding. 



Goodnight 2NJ!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 13, 2009, 01:00:20 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 13, 2009, 01:14:17 AM
From The Birmingham Jewish Federation 2005


WATCHING NATALEE'S MOM

Driving through Mountain Brook it's easier to count the houses without yellow ribbons than the ones with them as our community continues to watch events unfold in Aruba and pray for Natalee Holloway's return. Waves of yellow abound everywhere - stores, offices, homes, on a chain link fence on Old Leeds Road where Natalee's name is spelled out in yellow.

Nowhere is the Natalee story more on people's minds than in Mountain Brook, where much of our Jewish community lives. Just about everyone knows her and her family or knows someone who knows her and her family. Many, especially those who've had daughters attend Mountain Brook High School, are relating to the Holloway family's fear and anguish in a very personal way.

Ever since the Mountain Brook teenager disappeared May 30, Natalee's fate has been a dominant topic just about everywhere you go in Mountain Brook. TVs in public places are tuned constantly to the news; people grow quiet whenever the latest report from Aruba comes on; theories are rampant and strangers find themselves having serious and anguished talks with one another about the family's travail.

It's been almost surreal at times. People you know or your kids know find themselves appearing on Bill O'Reilly's show, for example, fielding questions about Natalee and the fateful graduation trip to Aruba. The story is a page turner. If only it were fiction.

There's no greater symbol of the pain and anguish over Natalee's disappearance than Beth Holloway Twitty, Natalee's mom. Day after day, valiantly and with amazing strength, she remains in Aruba, pursuing her daughter's whereabouts, publicly and aggressively. Her stamina and resourcefulness are as extraordinary as the astonishing twists and turns of this tragic tale.

In Judaism, we often talk about "Women of Valor." Beth has become one of those women of valor -- fighting like a lioness for her daughter; driven by uncompromising determination, in-your-face courage and the power of prayer. Particularly moving is seeing the photo of Natalee and Beth at Natalee's graduation in May, and now seeing the toll the ordeal has taken on her since then.

Those who have children know there's no more powerful feeling than love for one's child, particularly when that child is in distress. Beth's love for Natalee is so electric you can almost feel it coming through the TV screen. The media, to its credit, have done a brilliant job of allowing Beth's love for her daughter to breathe and animate their news coverage. Viewers can't help but connect with Beth on a personal level. You feel like you are there with her and that you know her now, even if you didn't.

Beth's interview with Fox TV newsman Alan Colmes yesterday was especially touching. It was stripped of pretense and any pontificating by the reporter, and cut right to the chase as Alan gently asked a series of probing questions. Watching Beth respond made it even more clear that this unfolding saga has become in part a test of will -- the will of one woman against the perpetrators, and though it may be wishful thinking part of you comes away believing the mom is going to win. A trust fund has been set up at AmSouth to enable Beth and the family to stay in Aruba as long as they need to.

What will come of this saga and what today's news will bring, who knows. What is clear is that this story isn't going away any time soon and that stems in large part from a mother's awesome love for her daughter and her courage and her faith.

The waves of yellow ribbon are there for all of us. They are so powerful, once you let them impact on you as you drive; they are a community speaking together, in a unified voice, in a single moment, as we await the fate of one of our own.

Shabbat Shalom from the Birmingham Jewish Federation.

-- Richard Friedman, Executive Director


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 13, 2009, 02:00:45 AM


Updated Timeline has been posted.

       Part 1 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg717160#msg717160)

       Part 2 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg717363#msg717363)

       Part 3 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg717544#msg717544)

       Part 4 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg717685#msg717685)

       Part 5 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg717717#msg717717)


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: bastibro on March 13, 2009, 05:27:38 AM
From The Birmingham Jewish Federation 2005


WATCHING NATALEE'S MOM

Driving through Mountain Brook it's easier to count the houses without yellow ribbons than the ones with them as our community continues to watch events unfold in Aruba and pray for Natalee Holloway's return. Waves of yellow abound everywhere - stores, offices, homes, on a chain link fence on Old Leeds Road where Natalee's name is spelled out in yellow.

Nowhere is the Natalee story more on people's minds than in Mountain Brook, where much of our Jewish community lives. Just about everyone knows her and her family or knows someone who knows her and her family. Many, especially those who've had daughters attend Mountain Brook High School, are relating to the Holloway family's fear and anguish in a very personal way.

Ever since the Mountain Brook teenager disappeared May 30, Natalee's fate has been a dominant topic just about everywhere you go in Mountain Brook. TVs in public places are tuned constantly to the news; people grow quiet whenever the latest report from Aruba comes on; theories are rampant and strangers find themselves having serious and anguished talks with one another about the family's travail.

It's been almost surreal at times. People you know or your kids know find themselves appearing on Bill O'Reilly's show, for example, fielding questions about Natalee and the fateful graduation trip to Aruba. The story is a page turner. If only it were fiction.

There's no greater symbol of the pain and anguish over Natalee's disappearance than Beth Holloway Twitty, Natalee's mom. Day after day, valiantly and with amazing strength, she remains in Aruba, pursuing her daughter's whereabouts, publicly and aggressively. Her stamina and resourcefulness are as extraordinary as the astonishing twists and turns of this tragic tale.

In Judaism, we often talk about "Women of Valor." Beth has become one of those women of valor -- fighting like a lioness for her daughter; driven by uncompromising determination, in-your-face courage and the power of prayer. Particularly moving is seeing the photo of Natalee and Beth at Natalee's graduation in May, and now seeing the toll the ordeal has taken on her since then.

Those who have children know there's no more powerful feeling than love for one's child, particularly when that child is in distress. Beth's love for Natalee is so electric you can almost feel it coming through the TV screen. The media, to its credit, have done a brilliant job of allowing Beth's love for her daughter to breathe and animate their news coverage. Viewers can't help but connect with Beth on a personal level. You feel like you are there with her and that you know her now, even if you didn't.

Beth's interview with Fox TV newsman Alan Colmes yesterday was especially touching. It was stripped of pretense and any pontificating by the reporter, and cut right to the chase as Alan gently asked a series of probing questions. Watching Beth respond made it even more clear that this unfolding saga has become in part a test of will -- the will of one woman against the perpetrators, and though it may be wishful thinking part of you comes away believing the mom is going to win. A trust fund has been set up at AmSouth to enable Beth and the family to stay in Aruba as long as they need to.

What will come of this saga and what today's news will bring, who knows. What is clear is that this story isn't going away any time soon and that stems in large part from a mother's awesome love for her daughter and her courage and her faith.

The waves of yellow ribbon are there for all of us. They are so powerful, once you let them impact on you as you drive; they are a community speaking together, in a unified voice, in a single moment, as we await the fate of one of our own.

Shabbat Shalom from the Birmingham Jewish Federation.

-- Richard Friedman, Executive Director

This story will never go away!
Truth is fighting to be released


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: sharon on March 13, 2009, 07:32:10 AM
And TRUTH will continue to surface for everyone to see.

Regardless of the amount of lies and liars that try to prevent it.

Avoid Aruba as if your life depends on it......it does!!

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY


TODAY WE ARE ONE DAY CLOSER TO FINDING THE WHOLE TRUTH

I stand with the girl. And with her family.

I stand with the Freebirds and the frog.

I stand with the Monkeys.

Karma to the liars and betrayers.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wingnut on March 13, 2009, 07:42:36 AM
And TRUTH will continue to surface for everyone to see.

Regardless of the amount of lies and liars that try to prevent it.

Avoid Aruba as if your life depends on it......it does!!

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY


TODAY WE ARE ONE DAY CLOSER TO FINDING THE WHOLE TRUTH

I stand with the girl. And with her family.

I stand with the Freebirds and the frog.

I stand with the Monkeys.

Karma to the liars and betrayers.





AMEN, Sharon!  Well said.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: johan555 on March 13, 2009, 07:52:58 AM
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/arubabeachkopie.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 13, 2009, 08:07:52 AM
From The Birmingham Jewish Federation 2005


WATCHING NATALEE'S MOM

Driving through Mountain Brook it's easier to count the houses without yellow ribbons than the ones with them as our community continues to watch events unfold in Aruba and pray for Natalee Holloway's return. Waves of yellow abound everywhere - stores, offices, homes, on a chain link fence on Old Leeds Road where Natalee's name is spelled out in yellow.

Nowhere is the Natalee story more on people's minds than in Mountain Brook, where much of our Jewish community lives. Just about everyone knows her and her family or knows someone who knows her and her family. Many, especially those who've had daughters attend Mountain Brook High School, are relating to the Holloway family's fear and anguish in a very personal way.

Ever since the Mountain Brook teenager disappeared May 30, Natalee's fate has been a dominant topic just about everywhere you go in Mountain Brook. TVs in public places are tuned constantly to the news; people grow quiet whenever the latest report from Aruba comes on; theories are rampant and strangers find themselves having serious and anguished talks with one another about the family's travail.

It's been almost surreal at times. People you know or your kids know find themselves appearing on Bill O'Reilly's show, for example, fielding questions about Natalee and the fateful graduation trip to Aruba. The story is a page turner. If only it were fiction.

There's no greater symbol of the pain and anguish over Natalee's disappearance than Beth Holloway Twitty, Natalee's mom. Day after day, valiantly and with amazing strength, she remains in Aruba, pursuing her daughter's whereabouts, publicly and aggressively. Her stamina and resourcefulness are as extraordinary as the astonishing twists and turns of this tragic tale.

In Judaism, we often talk about "Women of Valor." Beth has become one of those women of valor -- fighting like a lioness for her daughter; driven by uncompromising determination, in-your-face courage and the power of prayer. Particularly moving is seeing the photo of Natalee and Beth at Natalee's graduation in May, and now seeing the toll the ordeal has taken on her since then.

Those who have children know there's no more powerful feeling than love for one's child, particularly when that child is in distress. Beth's love for Natalee is so electric you can almost feel it coming through the TV screen. The media, to its credit, have done a brilliant job of allowing Beth's love for her daughter to breathe and animate their news coverage. Viewers can't help but connect with Beth on a personal level. You feel like you are there with her and that you know her now, even if you didn't.

Beth's interview with Fox TV newsman Alan Colmes yesterday was especially touching. It was stripped of pretense and any pontificating by the reporter, and cut right to the chase as Alan gently asked a series of probing questions. Watching Beth respond made it even more clear that this unfolding saga has become in part a test of will -- the will of one woman against the perpetrators, and though it may be wishful thinking part of you comes away believing the mom is going to win. A trust fund has been set up at AmSouth to enable Beth and the family to stay in Aruba as long as they need to.

What will come of this saga and what today's news will bring, who knows. What is clear is that this story isn't going away any time soon and that stems in large part from a mother's awesome love for her daughter and her courage and her faith.

The waves of yellow ribbon are there for all of us. They are so powerful, once you let them impact on you as you drive; they are a community speaking together, in a unified voice, in a single moment, as we await the fate of one of our own.

Shabbat Shalom from the Birmingham Jewish Federation.

-- Richard Friedman, Executive Director

Bastibro, you got that right.  Good people will not let it happen.

This story will never go away!
Truth is fighting to be released



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 13, 2009, 08:08:48 AM
And TRUTH will continue to surface for everyone to see.

Regardless of the amount of lies and liars that try to prevent it.

Avoid Aruba as if your life depends on it......it does!!

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY


TODAY WE ARE ONE DAY CLOSER TO FINDING THE WHOLE TRUTH

I stand with the girl. And with her family.

I stand with the Freebirds and the frog.

I stand with the Monkeys.

Karma to the liars and betrayers.




Worth repeating EVERY day of EVERY week.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 13, 2009, 08:10:03 AM
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/arubabeachkopie.jpg)

Oh My, that Air France plane really is close to the beaches.

No Justice for Natalee, No tourists for Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 13, 2009, 08:30:39 AM
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/arubabeachkopie.jpg)

Oh My, that Air France plane really is close to the beaches.

No Justice for Natalee, No tourists for Aruba.
It's part of their new tourism strategy -- you get your air fare, and hotel accomodations as part of one single entity (right on the beach)!!!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 13, 2009, 08:40:03 AM
OMG  ::MonkeyLaugh:: Thanks for the morning LMAO wreck!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 13, 2009, 09:49:23 AM
Janet,

Maybe this will help ease your mind a bit.  Mine is completely at ease, and I do believe what that producer told me.

She did mention that Dateline was there with Tim Miller.  Now, from what I understand of the production world (which admittedly isn't much) that means Dateline had an exclusive with Tim Miller.  Which to me means, Tim wasn't talking to other media.  Sure - he probably did before the search began - it was all over the news.

But, other than that regarding Dateline, she didn't mention Miller's name once.

I do believe what she told me - that it was a project they were working on, but it fell through.  I wouldn't doubt their pre-editing footage and interviews are still kicking around somewhere - but without the ROV footage, it hit a brick wall - and that was the end of it.

So in a nutshell, I don't for one second believe Tim Miller was involved in the attempted sale of that ROV footage.  He didn't even know about it.  If he had known about it, he definitely would have screamed it from the rooftops - and he certainly would have told Natalee's family about it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 13, 2009, 10:07:03 AM
Janet,

Maybe this will help ease your mind a bit.  Mine is completely at ease, and I do believe what that producer told me.

She did mention that Dateline was there with Tim Miller.  Now, from what I understand of the production world (which admittedly isn't much) that means Dateline had an exclusive with Tim Miller.  Which to me means, Tim wasn't talking to other media.  Sure - he probably did before the search began - it was all over the news.

But, other than that regarding Dateline, she didn't mention Miller's name once.

I do believe what she told me - that it was a project they were working on, but it fell through.  I wouldn't doubt their pre-editing footage and interviews are still kicking around somewhere  - but without the ROV footage, it hit a brick wall - and that was the end of it.

So in a nutshell, I don't for one second believe Tim Miller was involved in the attempted sale of that ROV footage.  He didn't even know about it.  If he had known about it, he definitely would have screamed it from the rooftops - and he certainly would have told Natalee's family about it.

Wonder if they'd let the Freebirds have a little look-see at that footage/interviews in exchange for all the information you all gave them?

Probably have to get to Bill Kurtis to make that request though...



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2009, 10:53:03 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_53838.php

Through translator:

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/12-arubahendrik-croes-2.gif)

Aruba
Hendrik Croes VNO responds to affair
March 12, 2009, 15:42 (GMT -04:00)
 
'ORANGE CITY - "What idle talk, incredible, but the Dutch political thought onzindelijk appear to influence," responds former Minister of Justice Hendrik Croes, lawyer and partner of the firm Croes, Wever and Tchong on allegations that the Attorney General (PG) to "the leash of Henry Croes' runs. 'Talking fudge' that he even about his previous relationship with PG as the Round Forest and Zwinkels did.

Croes, submitted a letter in this newspaper (see page 3) for the first time on the allegations in the leaked week notice of the Dutch Representation in Aruba (VNO). The letter cites Croes firm to State Secretary for Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA), VNO and the Second Chamber. He let us know through the years "all kinds of wild raspberry and gossip stories' about his person a hearing and that the allegations in the report was no exception. Croes also doubt whether the leaked report VNO or VNO from the office in Oranjestad comes and not an "other VNO.
He called the author of the report "a little frustrated isolated pathetic figure with his legs completely outside the Aruban community. "If such Sammy the Dutch Government to inform and advise, but it is questionable whether such a government to balanced decision-making can get"

As the then Secretary of State with its investigation, the letter to the Dutch Parliament and the debate this week has made calls Croes is indicative of the Dutch political thought: "It does hold, as evidenced by its report to the Lower House, implied this idle talk, for true! "


Aruban Investigation Board
State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten promised Tuesday to a House investigation into the integrity of the Board on Aruba. How they perform research, based on the reports and whether Aruban institutes hearing is not yet known, so let her know spokesman. Also on the period when the report should be ready, is still nothing to report. Bijleveld will have two weeks to Aruba for a short working visit. In interviews yesterday with them in the Netherlands Prime Minister Nelson Oduber had she not lost. Oduber was this morning by the Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende received in the turret.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 13, 2009, 11:02:08 AM
From that article:


Croes, Wever and Tchong law firm....

Now, I know I've seen that law firm as representing someone in that whole port relocation thingy.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 13, 2009, 11:07:16 AM
Janet,

Maybe this will help ease your mind a bit.  Mine is completely at ease, and I do believe what that producer told me.

She did mention that Dateline was there with Tim Miller.  Now, from what I understand of the production world (which admittedly isn't much) that means Dateline had an exclusive with Tim Miller.  Which to me means, Tim wasn't talking to other media.  Sure - he probably did before the search began - it was all over the news.

But, other than that regarding Dateline, she didn't mention Miller's name once.

I do believe what she told me - that it was a project they were working on, but it fell through.  I wouldn't doubt their pre-editing footage and interviews are still kicking around somewhere  - but without the ROV footage, it hit a brick wall - and that was the end of it.

So in a nutshell, I don't for one second believe Tim Miller was involved in the attempted sale of that ROV footage.  He didn't even know about it.  If he had known about it, he definitely would have screamed it from the rooftops - and he certainly would have told Natalee's family about it.

Wonder if they'd let the Freebirds have a little look-see at that footage/interviews in exchange for all the information you all gave them?

Probably have to get to Bill Kurtis to make that request though...



I would doubt it.  She was shocked when I read her that promo from the citv site - and I think it was that shock that allowed me to get what little information I could from her.

Aside from that, we made a promise to them way back when - Natalee's Freebirds didn't want anything in return for our help with that first program.  Not recognition, not money - hell, we were even trying to remain as anonymous as possible, we had a consensus amongst us that we would actually want our faces blurred out from the interviews they were wanting us to do - if they would agree to that.

All to keep the focus on Natalee, and not on us.

So..............I think going back and asking for something now wouldn't sit right with me.

No matter how much I would LOVE to see it!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 11:16:23 AM
Janet,

Maybe this will help ease your mind a bit.  Mine is completely at ease, and I do believe what that producer told me.

She did mention that Dateline was there with Tim Miller.  Now, from what I understand of the production world (which admittedly isn't much) that means Dateline had an exclusive with Tim Miller.  Which to me means, Tim wasn't talking to other media.  Sure - he probably did before the search began - it was all over the news.

But, other than that regarding Dateline, she didn't mention Miller's name once.

I do believe what she told me - that it was a project they were working on, but it fell through.  I wouldn't doubt their pre-editing footage and interviews are still kicking around somewhere - but without the ROV footage, it hit a brick wall - and that was the end of it.

So in a nutshell, I don't for one second believe Tim Miller was involved in the attempted sale of that ROV footage.  He didn't even know about it.  If he had known about it, he definitely would have screamed it from the rooftops - and he certainly would have told Natalee's family about it.

Good Morning Jen.

I am still sifting through this one.  My DIL is attempting to find out about the Kurtis Productions documentary that was shown in New Zealand in January and ... the one that was shown in the Orient this week.  She (teacher) promised me that next week on school spring break she will set aside some quality time to research all of this.

If her research reveals that the two airing of the document this year turn out to be an exact repeat of the September, 2008 airing ... then so bit it.  This wanabee detective will concede that she is barking up the wrong tree.

I read again Kermit and your posts regarding Kurtis Productions cutting the Natalee's Freebirds off without so much as a goodbye after providing them with so much information pertaining to the Natalee Holloway case as well as the ocean search.

Jen ... how do you know that you can trust a representative of this production company that has already deceived/betrayed you ... the Natalee's Freebirds?

It could be that Kurtis Productions realizes that there could be trouble in a lot of areas  if a documentary on the ocean search is viewed in the States when it is considered that Kurtis Productions' filming crew was not even on the boat on December 30th or January 7th when the visual dive and the the recovery process took place.  Then there is all the infomation the Natalee's Freebirds provided this production company with.
 
Kyle Kingman's words state that Dateline left the Persistence immediately following the December 30th visual dive.  Kyle Kingman's words also imply that "another" filming crew joined the Persistence in February.  If this crew was "Dateline" ... why did he not just  say "Dateline".

Anyways ... DIL claims the first step is to find out if the documentary that has been aired twice out side the States this year is the exact documentary that aired in the States last September.

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!!

Janet

++++++

SEPTEMBER, 2008 - UNITED STATES

Upcoming Airings:
Thursday, September 18 @ 11pm/10C
Friday, September 19 @ 3am/2C
Sunday, September 21 @ 4pm/3C


Bill Kurtis hosts this documentary special that looks at the case that shocked the nation–the disappearance of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway on the island of Aruba on May 30, 2005. Natalee was last seen alive leaving a bar with three young local men, who became the prime suspects. Natalee’s mother, Beth, is convinced that the men know what happened to her daughter, but authorities have been unable to come up with definitive proof that they are responsible for her death. Kurtis examines the key questions in the case: Will Natalee’s body ever be found? Why can’t authorities solve the case? And where did the investigation go wrong?

http://www.aetv.com/listings/episode_details.do?episodeid=360922&airingid=360996


JANUARY, 2009 - NEW ZEALAND

What Happened To Natalee Holloway
1 Jan, 09 Sky's blog | | 86 reads
CRIME & INVESTIGATION – Sunday 11 January, 9.30pm


In December of 2007, eight men from across the United States set out on an extraordinary mission. On a specially equipped, multi-million dollar ship, they will travel to the deep waters off the island of Aruba. They are searching not for sunken treasure, but something far more valuable to them, a missing 18 year-old named Natalee Holloway

http://www.throng.co.nz/documentary/what-happened-natalee-holloway


MARCH, 2009 - ORIENT

What Happened to Natalee Holloway?
Thursday 12 March 8:00AM HK/SIN/MAL 7:00AM Thai/WIB
Thursday 12 March 2:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 1:00PM Thai/WIB
Saturday 14 March 1:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 12:00PM Thai/WIB


In December of 2007, eight men from across the United States will set out on an extraordinary mission. On a specially equipped, multi-million dollar ship, they will travel to the deep waters off the island of Aruba. They are searching not for sunken treasure, but something far more valuable to them – a missing 18 year-old named Natalee Holloway.

The leader of the effort is Tim Miller, founder of Texas EquuSearch and the father of a 16 year- old girl who was kidnapped and murdered in 1984. Miller has now taken on the recovery of Natalee Holloway as a personal calling. Miller and Natalee Holloway’s father Dave Holloway, believe that Natalee was likely placed in a crab trap or a steel drum and dumped 3-5 miles offshore, which is where they will focus the search.

Miller has assembled a team of underwater engineering experts from Underwater Expeditions and will bring an arsenal of resources, including hi-tech sonar scanning equipment, underwater video and the help of the FBI and Dutch authorities. The team has but one goal: to bring Natalee home.

Kurtis Productions has been granted exclusive access to what will be the most extensive deep water search to date for Holloway’s body. In this documentary special, Bill Kurtis will join the search and document the recovery mission. He will also revisit Natalee Holloway’s disappearance and subsequent investigation to try and answer the questions on everyone’s mind – where is Natalee? And will her case ever be solved?

http://www.citvasia.com/detailssynopsis.aspx?libId=336&sId=168&sTime=1200


++++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman - 02/12/08:
We are all holding up well. I just flew back to New Jersey for a much needed break. I've been on the Persistence in Aruba since the 15th of December and will be back on board in about a week amid ROV dives. Things have only just begun to get interesting. We'll likely require a film crew on board for most of the remaining work, so once aired you'll have a lot more information.

Could Kurtis Productions be the film crew that Kyle Kingman refers to?


Kyle Kingman: Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday. I do not know how far along this documentary is. I have not had any part in it. In fact, I heard this documentary has distanced most everyone from Louis. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

Could the spin of the Kurtis Production documentary have been that Tim Miller would be the focus?


Kyle Kingman - 06/10/08: Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere. We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.

Would the Kurtis Production documentary implicate only the Arubans in the finale to the great coverup?

Edit:  'in February'


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 11:21:10 AM
EDIT:

Kyle Kingman's words state that Dateline left the Persistence immediately following the December 30th visual dive.  Kyle Kingman's words also imply that "another" filming crew joined the Persistence at the end of January.  If this crew was "Dateline" ... why did he not just  say "Dateline".


Kyle Kingman's words state that Dateline left the Persistence immediately following the December 30th visual dive.  Kyle Kingman's words also imply that "another" filming crew joined the Persistence in February.  If this crew was "Dateline" ... why did he not just  say "Dateline".



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 11:26:21 AM
EDIT:

Kyle Kingman's words state that Dateline left the Persistence immediately following the December 30th visual dive.  Kyle Kingman's words also imply that "another" filming crew joined the Persistence at the end of January.  If this crew was "Dateline" ... why did he not just  say "Dateline".


Kyle Kingman's words state that Dateline left the Persistence immediately following the December 30th visual dive.  Kyle Kingman's words also imply that "another" filming crew joined the Persistence in February.  If this crew was "Dateline" ... why did he not just  say "Dateline".



2NJSons_Mom ... if you edit my post I promise never to bother Klaas or mods again.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 13, 2009, 11:34:38 AM
From Gretawire today  http://gretawire.foxnews.com/


March 13th, 2009 11:05 AM Eastern
under headline “never dull”
by Greta Van Susteren
I was just talking to John Q Kelly about an unrelated topic to Natalee Holloway and ended the conversation asking him is there is anything new in Aruba. He laughed and said that last week the Aruban prosecutor Hans Moss by mistake pocket dialed John. It was a mistake and Moss most certainly not want to talk to John and quickly ditched the call when he learned it was John. And yes, Hans said he was sorry for the mistake. Never dull




Just My Opion Hans is a "Whoose"



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 11:37:03 AM
There is still tomorrows airing that can be taped ... accesses.

What time ET is 12:00 PM Thai time?

Janet

++++++++


MARCH, 2009 - ORIENT

What Happened to Natalee Holloway?
Thursday 12 March 8:00AM HK/SIN/MAL 7:00AM Thai/WIB
Thursday 12 March 2:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 1:00PM Thai/WIB
Saturday 14 March 1:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 12:00PM Thai/WIB


In December of 2007, eight men from across the United States will set out on an extraordinary mission. On a specially equipped, multi-million dollar ship, they will travel to the deep waters off the island of Aruba. They are searching not for sunken treasure, but something far more valuable to them – a missing 18 year-old named Natalee Holloway.

The leader of the effort is Tim Miller, founder of Texas EquuSearch and the father of a 16 year- old girl who was kidnapped and murdered in 1984. Miller has now taken on the recovery of Natalee Holloway as a personal calling. Miller and Natalee Holloway’s father Dave Holloway, believe that Natalee was likely placed in a crab trap or a steel drum and dumped 3-5 miles offshore, which is where they will focus the search.

Miller has assembled a team of underwater engineering experts from Underwater Expeditions and will bring an arsenal of resources, including hi-tech sonar scanning equipment, underwater video and the help of the FBI and Dutch authorities. The team has but one goal: to bring Natalee home.

Kurtis Productions has been granted exclusive access to what will be the most extensive deep water search to date for Holloway’s body. In this documentary special, Bill Kurtis will join the search and document the recovery mission. He will also revisit Natalee Holloway’s disappearance and subsequent investigation to try and answer the questions on everyone’s mind – where is Natalee? And will her case ever be solved?

http://www.citvasia.com/detailssynopsis.aspx?libId=336&sId=168&sTime=1200


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Patriot on March 13, 2009, 11:50:00 AM
Did anyone see Bill O'Reilly last night? A poster on Gretawire said he mentioned Aruba. Here's the quote.

"Bill O'Reilly told his viewers last night that he would NEVER GO to Aruba.... finally something i can agree with him on....... he's a good fella he's just stuck on Bill and needs to calm down a bit and let others voice their opinions too..."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 11:51:08 AM
Janet,

Maybe this will help ease your mind a bit.  Mine is completely at ease, and I do believe what that producer told me.

She did mention that Dateline was there with Tim Miller.  Now, from what I understand of the production world (which admittedly isn't much) that means Dateline had an exclusive with Tim Miller.  Which to me means, Tim wasn't talking to other media.  Sure - he probably did before the search began - it was all over the news.

But, other than that regarding Dateline, she didn't mention Miller's name once.

I do believe what she told me - that it was a project they were working on, but it fell through.  I wouldn't doubt their pre-editing footage and interviews are still kicking around somewhere  - but without the ROV footage, it hit a brick wall - and that was the end of it.

So in a nutshell, I don't for one second believe Tim Miller was involved in the attempted sale of that ROV footage.  He didn't even know about it.  If he had known about it, he definitely would have screamed it from the rooftops - and he certainly would have told Natalee's family about it.

Wonder if they'd let the Freebirds have a little look-see at that footage/interviews in exchange for all the information you all gave them?

Probably have to get to Bill Kurtis to make that request though...



I would doubt it.  She was shocked when I read her that promo from the citv site - and I think it was that shock that allowed me to get what little information I could from her.

Aside from that, we made a promise to them way back when - Natalee's Freebirds didn't want anything in return for our help with that first program.  Not recognition, not money - hell, we were even trying to remain as anonymous as possible, we had a consensus amongst us that we would actually want our faces blurred out from the interviews they were wanting us to do - if they would agree to that.

All to keep the focus on Natalee, and not on us.

So..............I think going back and asking for something now wouldn't sit right with me.

No matter how much I would LOVE to see it!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Jen ... The "first part" of the documentary ... the September, 2008 airing ... covered the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  Were you (Natalee's Freebirds) involved with Kurtis Production regarding the the ocean search?

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 13, 2009, 11:57:30 AM
Janet,

Maybe this will help ease your mind a bit.  Mine is completely at ease, and I do believe what that producer told me.

She did mention that Dateline was there with Tim Miller.  Now, from what I understand of the production world (which admittedly isn't much) that means Dateline had an exclusive with Tim Miller.  Which to me means, Tim wasn't talking to other media.  Sure - he probably did before the search began - it was all over the news.

But, other than that regarding Dateline, she didn't mention Miller's name once.

I do believe what she told me - that it was a project they were working on, but it fell through.  I wouldn't doubt their pre-editing footage and interviews are still kicking around somewhere - but without the ROV footage, it hit a brick wall - and that was the end of it.

So in a nutshell, I don't for one second believe Tim Miller was involved in the attempted sale of that ROV footage.  He didn't even know about it.  If he had known about it, he definitely would have screamed it from the rooftops - and he certainly would have told Natalee's family about it.

Good Morning Jen.

I am still sifting through this one.  My DIL is attempting to find out about the Kurtis Productions documentary that was shown in New Zealand in January and ... the one that was shown in the Orient this week.  She (teacher) promised me that next week on school spring break she will set aside some quality time to research all of this.

If her research reveals that the two airing of the document this year turn out to be an exact repeat of the September, 2008 airing ... then so bit it.  This wanabee detective will concede that she is barking up the wrong tree.

I read again Kermit and your posts regarding Kurtis Productions cutting the Natalee's Freebirds off without so much as a goodbye after providing them with so much information pertaining to the Natalee Holloway case as well as the ocean search.

Jen ... how do you know that you can trust a representative of this production company that has already deceived/betrayed you ... the Natalee's Freebirds?

It could be that Kurtis Productions realizes that there could be trouble in a lot of areas  if a documentary on the ocean search is viewed in the States when it is considered that Kurtis Productions' filming crew was not even on the boat on December 30th or January 7th when the visual dive and the the recovery process took place.  Then there is all the infomation the Natalee's Freebirds provided this production company with.
 
Kyle Kingman's words state that Dateline left the Persistence immediately following the December 30th visual dive.  Kyle Kingman's words also imply that "another" filming crew joined the Persistence at the end of January.  If this crew was "Dateline" ... why did he not just  say "Dateline".

Anyways ... DIL claims the first step is to find out if the documentary that has been aired twice out side the States this year is the exact documentary that aired in the States last September.

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!!

Janet




Well that's the thing - I don't consider it as a betrayal or a deception on Kurtis' part.

They didn't owe us anything - and we made that clear from the start.  It was their program, we were just helping them with information for it.

The interviews were their idea, and I'm sure you'll remember none of us was exactly comfortable with that idea - but we agreed in the interest of the truth being put forth.

So when they stopped communications, they only frustration I had was that they didn't let us know they had changed their minds about interviewing us.

I never took that as a betrayal or a deceptive practice on their part.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2009, 11:58:22 AM
From Gretawire today  http://gretawire.foxnews.com/


March 13th, 2009 11:05 AM Eastern
under headline “never dull”
by Greta Van Susteren
I was just talking to John Q Kelly about an unrelated topic to Natalee Holloway and ended the conversation asking him is there is anything new in Aruba. He laughed and said that last week the Aruban prosecutor Hans Moss by mistake pocket dialed John. It was a mistake and Moss most certainly not want to talk to John and quickly ditched the call when he learned it was John. And yes, Hans said he was sorry for the mistake. Never dull




Just My Opion Hans is a "Whoose"



Screen saver on the phone is TeleTubbies  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/mospursephone.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 13, 2009, 12:01:09 PM
Janet,

Maybe this will help ease your mind a bit.  Mine is completely at ease, and I do believe what that producer told me.

She did mention that Dateline was there with Tim Miller.  Now, from what I understand of the production world (which admittedly isn't much) that means Dateline had an exclusive with Tim Miller.  Which to me means, Tim wasn't talking to other media.  Sure - he probably did before the search began - it was all over the news.

But, other than that regarding Dateline, she didn't mention Miller's name once.

I do believe what she told me - that it was a project they were working on, but it fell through.  I wouldn't doubt their pre-editing footage and interviews are still kicking around somewhere  - but without the ROV footage, it hit a brick wall - and that was the end of it.

So in a nutshell, I don't for one second believe Tim Miller was involved in the attempted sale of that ROV footage.  He didn't even know about it.  If he had known about it, he definitely would have screamed it from the rooftops - and he certainly would have told Natalee's family about it.

Wonder if they'd let the Freebirds have a little look-see at that footage/interviews in exchange for all the information you all gave them?

Probably have to get to Bill Kurtis to make that request though...



I would doubt it.  She was shocked when I read her that promo from the citv site - and I think it was that shock that allowed me to get what little information I could from her.

Aside from that, we made a promise to them way back when - Natalee's Freebirds didn't want anything in return for our help with that first program.  Not recognition, not money - hell, we were even trying to remain as anonymous as possible, we had a consensus amongst us that we would actually want our faces blurred out from the interviews they were wanting us to do - if they would agree to that.

All to keep the focus on Natalee, and not on us.

So..............I think going back and asking for something now wouldn't sit right with me.

No matter how much I would LOVE to see it!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Jen ... The "first part" of the documentary ... the September, 2008 airing ... covered the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  Were you (Natalee's Freebirds) involved with Kurtis Production regarding the the ocean search?

Thanks

Janet

NO!!!  We never heard from Kurtis again after they returned from Aruba in January 2008.

Not even when I emailed them in September, after Kyle told us Schaefer had sold the footage, following which we learned their show was going to air.  That email was an attempt to find out if they were the ones who had putchased the footage, but like I said - no response from them.

And I probably could have worded that better with "their show that aired last September" rather than saying "the first show".

I was just trying to make the distinction between the one that aired, and the one that got flushed as 'show 1' and 'show 2'

Trying to make the distinction that the only thing we helped them with was that first show that aired in September.

I see now that I didn't do a very good job of that.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 13, 2009, 12:05:12 PM
From Gretawire today  http://gretawire.foxnews.com/


March 13th, 2009 11:05 AM Eastern
under headline “never dull”
by Greta Van Susteren
I was just talking to John Q Kelly about an unrelated topic to Natalee Holloway and ended the conversation asking him is there is anything new in Aruba. He laughed and said that last week the Aruban prosecutor Hans Moss by mistake pocket dialed John. It was a mistake and Moss most certainly not want to talk to John and quickly ditched the call when he learned it was John. And yes, Hans said he was sorry for the mistake. Never dull




Just My Opion Hans is a "Whoose"



Screen saver on the phone is TeleTubbies  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/mospursephone.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Klaas, you know I luv that purse on that man but I really do not care for the TeleTubbies though.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 13, 2009, 12:12:01 PM
Janet -

This might be of help to your DIL when she looks into the March airing in Asia.

This is an email I sent to the citv Asian company, and their response to me:

Dear Sirs,
 
I am interested in viewing this show airing on your network March 12 2009 - "What Happened to Natalee Holloway".
 
I am in the United States, and cannot access your network from here.
 
Can you please tell me if I can view it online someplace, or on a USA network?
 
Thank you,
--------------------

Thank you for your email.

You cannot access the Asia feed from United States. For more information on how you can access to the channel in your region, please write to feedback@crimeandinvestigation.com

Best regards,

 --
Mabel Chan


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Mere on March 13, 2009, 12:15:47 PM
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?sort=1

Janet.....World clock will tell you day and time information for your areas of interest.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on March 13, 2009, 12:20:02 PM
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/arubabeachkopie.jpg)

as you know Johan, this is taken on St. Martin. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 12:22:18 PM
This website has been updated ... the dates of two airings of the document that were shown yesterday have been removed.  However ... the introduction remain unchanged.

Janet

+++++++

MARCH 12, 2009

What Happened to Natalee Holloway?
Thursday 12 March 8:00AM HK/SIN/MAL 7:00AM Thai/WIB
Thursday 12 March 2:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 1:00PM Thai/WIB
Saturday 14 March 1:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 12:00PM Thai/WIB

http://www.citvasia.com/detailssynopsis.aspx?libId=336&sId=168&sTime=1200


MARCH 13, 2009

What Happened to Natalee Holloway

http://www.citvasia.com/detailssynopsis.aspx?libId=336&sId=168&sTime=1200


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 13, 2009, 12:22:51 PM
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/arubabeachkopie.jpg)

as you know Johan, this is taken on St. Martin. 

What's St. Martin have to do with Aruba?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 12:27:26 PM
This website has been updated ... the dates of two airings of the document that were shown yesterday have been removed.  However ... the introduction remain unchanged.

Janet

+++++++

MARCH 12, 2009

What Happened to Natalee Holloway?
Thursday 12 March 8:00AM HK/SIN/MAL 7:00AM Thai/WIB
Thursday 12 March 2:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 1:00PM Thai/WIB
Saturday 14 March 1:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 12:00PM Thai/WIB

http://www.citvasia.com/detailssynopsis.aspx?libId=336&sId=168&sTime=1200


MARCH 13, 2009

What Happened to Natalee Holloway

http://www.citvasia.com/detailssynopsis.aspx?libId=336&sId=168&sTime=1200


My daughter is attempting to contact a friend on the the mission field in Thailand.  Maybe ... she could tape the documentary to be shown today and ... email to my daughter.  I do not have clue how all this is done but ... apparently my daughter does.

 ::cartwheel::

Hey ... if this documentary is an "exact" repeat of the September, 2008 airing in the States ... I will eat humble pie for being so suspicious.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on March 13, 2009, 12:30:52 PM
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/arubabeachkopie.jpg)

as you know Johan, this is taken on St. Martin. 

What's St. Martin have to do with Aruba?

It really doesn't, he posted this as if it were taken on Aruba, just pointing this out for others. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 12:31:38 PM
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?sort=1

Janet.....World clock will tell you day and time information for your areas of interest.

Thanks Mere.

I am terribly with charts.

What time is ET in the States when it is 12:00 PM in Thailand.  I should have asked my daughter when I was talking to her.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 12:34:51 PM
Janet -

This might be of help to your DIL when she looks into the March airing in Asia.

This is an email I sent to the citv Asian company, and their response to me:

Dear Sirs,
 
I am interested in viewing this show airing on your network March 12 2009 - "What Happened to Natalee Holloway".
 
I am in the United States, and cannot access your network from here.
 
Can you please tell me if I can view it online someplace, or on a USA network?
 
Thank you,
--------------------

Thank you for your email.

You cannot access the Asia feed from United States. For more information on how you can access to the channel in your region, please write to
feedback@crimeandinvestigation.com

Best regards,

 --
Mabel Chan


Thanks jen.

If what my daughter is attempting to bring about falls through ... I am sure this email would be of assistance.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 13, 2009, 12:37:25 PM
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/arubabeachkopie.jpg)

as you know Johan, this is taken on St. Martin. 

What's St. Martin have to do with Aruba?

It really doesn't, he posted this as if it were taken on Aruba, just pointing this out for others. 

I do appreciate that AZsunny!Maybe Johan can clarify why such a complete misrepresentation.... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 13, 2009, 12:37:40 PM
This website has been updated ... the dates of two airings of the document that were shown yesterday have been removed.  However ... the introduction remain unchanged.

Janet

+++++++

MARCH 12, 2009

What Happened to Natalee Holloway?
Thursday 12 March 8:00AM HK/SIN/MAL 7:00AM Thai/WIB
Thursday 12 March 2:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 1:00PM Thai/WIB
Saturday 14 March 1:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 12:00PM Thai/WIB

http://www.citvasia.com/detailssynopsis.aspx?libId=336&sId=168&sTime=1200


MARCH 13, 2009

What Happened to Natalee Holloway

http://www.citvasia.com/detailssynopsis.aspx?libId=336&sId=168&sTime=1200


My daughter is attempting to contact a friend on the the mission field in Thailand.  Maybe ... she could tape the documentary to be shown today and ... email to my daughter.  I do not have clue how all this is done but ... apparently my daughter does.

 ::cartwheel::

Hey ... if this documentary is an "exact" repeat of the September, 2008 airing in the States ... I will eat humble pie for being so suspicious.

Janet


Thanks Janet!  And please give your DIL a big THANK YOU from us!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 13, 2009, 12:40:34 PM
Here's one I could just kick my own hiney for.  I completely missed this until recently.

This one flies in the face of Kyle's repeated insistence that the Persistence couldn't possibly be doing oil exploration type work.  What then, exactly, was this "survey team" surveying?
 
Tues 22-Jan 0915 hrs

The Persistence left the dock this morning at 0600 hrs, heading out to deep water. Last night, four replacement survey team members  flew in to join the Persistence to relieve crew who has been here since the beginning, over a month ago

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&max-results=9


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 12:48:09 PM
Janet,

Maybe this will help ease your mind a bit.  Mine is completely at ease, and I do believe what that producer told me.

She did mention that Dateline was there with Tim Miller.  Now, from what I understand of the production world (which admittedly isn't much) that means Dateline had an exclusive with Tim Miller.  Which to me means, Tim wasn't talking to other media.  Sure - he probably did before the search began - it was all over the news.

But, other than that regarding Dateline, she didn't mention Miller's name once.

I do believe what she told me - that it was a project they were working on, but it fell through.  I wouldn't doubt their pre-editing footage and interviews are still kicking around somewhere  - but without the ROV footage, it hit a brick wall - and that was the end of it.

So in a nutshell, I don't for one second believe Tim Miller was involved in the attempted sale of that ROV footage.  He didn't even know about it.  If he had known about it, he definitely would have screamed it from the rooftops - and he certainly would have told Natalee's family about it.

Wonder if they'd let the Freebirds have a little look-see at that footage/interviews in exchange for all the information you all gave them?

Probably have to get to Bill Kurtis to make that request though...



I would doubt it.  She was shocked when I read her that promo from the citv site - and I think it was that shock that allowed me to get what little information I could from her.

Aside from that, we made a promise to them way back when - Natalee's Freebirds didn't want anything in return for our help with that first program.  Not recognition, not money - hell, we were even trying to remain as anonymous as possible, we had a consensus amongst us that we would actually want our faces blurred out from the interviews they were wanting us to do - if they would agree to that.

All to keep the focus on Natalee, and not on us.

So..............I think going back and asking for something now wouldn't sit right with me.

No matter how much I would LOVE to see it!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Jen ... The "first part" of the documentary ... the September, 2008 airing ... covered the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  Were you (Natalee's Freebirds) involved with Kurtis Production regarding the the ocean search?

Thanks

Janet

NO!!!  We never heard from Kurtis again after they returned from Aruba in January 2008.

Not even when I emailed them in September, after Kyle told us Schaefer had sold the footage, following which we learned their show was going to air.  That email was an attempt to find out if they were the ones who had putchased the footage, but like I said - no response from them.

And I probably could have worded that better with "their show that aired last September" rather than saying "the first show".

I was just trying to make the distinction between the one that aired, and the one that got flushed as 'show 1' and 'show 2'

Trying to make the distinction that the only thing we helped them with was that first show that aired in September.

I see now that I didn't do a very good job of that.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Considering the research effort ... regarding the happening encompassing the Natalee Holloway disappearance and the coverup in the investigation ... that the Natalee's Freebirds put into assisting the representative of Kurtis Productions who was posting with us and ... considering that a few of us were anticipating a trip to the windy city for an interview ... I believe the least that representative could have done was inform that plans had changed.  Instead we were cut out of the loop without an explanation.  Jen ... that was so unprofessional.  We deserved more.

This is reason that I do not trust Kurtis Productions.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 12:53:42 PM
Here's one I could just kick my own hiney for.  I completely missed this until recently.

This one flies in the face of Kyle's repeated insistence that the Persistence couldn't possibly be doing oil exploration type work.  What then, exactly, was this "survey team" surveying?
 
Tues 22-Jan 0915 hrs

The Persistence left the dock this morning at 0600 hrs, heading out to deep water. Last night, four replacement survey team members  flew in to join the Persistence to relieve crew who has been here since the beginning, over a month ago

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&max-results=9

Great Catch!!

As Beth Holloway would say ... "Greta, this is huge".

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

Edit for typo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 12:57:27 PM
This website has been updated ... the dates of two airings of the document that were shown yesterday have been removed.  However ... the introduction remain unchanged.

Janet

+++++++

MARCH 12, 2009

What Happened to Natalee Holloway?
Thursday 12 March 8:00AM HK/SIN/MAL 7:00AM Thai/WIB
Thursday 12 March 2:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 1:00PM Thai/WIB
Saturday 14 March 1:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 12:00PM Thai/WIB

http://www.citvasia.com/detailssynopsis.aspx?libId=336&sId=168&sTime=1200


MARCH 13, 2009

What Happened to Natalee Holloway

http://www.citvasia.com/detailssynopsis.aspx?libId=336&sId=168&sTime=1200


My daughter is attempting to contact a friend on the the mission field in Thailand.  Maybe ... she could tape the documentary to be shown today and ... email to my daughter.  I do not have clue how all this is done but ... apparently my daughter does.

 ::cartwheel::

Hey ... if this documentary is an "exact" repeat of the September, 2008 airing in the States ... I will eat humble pie for being so suspicious.

Janet


Thanks Janet!  And please give your DIL a big THANK YOU from us!


It is my daughter who has some contacts in Thailand.  Prior to getting married she served with this ministry for 2 1/2 years in Thailand and ... some of the same workers are still there.

My DIL is teaching today but ... will be off for "spring Break" next week and ... will be assisting then.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 01:06:54 PM
There is still tomorrows airing that can be taped ... accesses.

What time ET is 12:00 PM Thai time?

Janet

++++++++


MARCH, 2009 - ORIENT

What Happened to Natalee Holloway?
Thursday 12 March 8:00AM HK/SIN/MAL 7:00AM Thai/WIB
Thursday 12 March 2:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 1:00PM Thai/WIB
Saturday 14 March 1:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 12:00PM Thai/WIB


In December of 2007, eight men from across the United States will set out on an extraordinary mission. On a specially equipped, multi-million dollar ship, they will travel to the deep waters off the island of Aruba. They are searching not for sunken treasure, but something far more valuable to them – a missing 18 year-old named Natalee Holloway.

The leader of the effort is Tim Miller, founder of Texas EquuSearch and the father of a 16 year- old girl who was kidnapped and murdered in 1984. Miller has now taken on the recovery of Natalee Holloway as a personal calling. Miller and Natalee Holloway’s father Dave Holloway, believe that Natalee was likely placed in a crab trap or a steel drum and dumped 3-5 miles offshore, which is where they will focus the search.

Miller has assembled a team of underwater engineering experts from Underwater Expeditions and will bring an arsenal of resources, including hi-tech sonar scanning equipment, underwater video and the help of the FBI and Dutch authorities. The team has but one goal: to bring Natalee home.

Kurtis Productions has been granted exclusive access to what will be the most extensive deep water search to date for Holloway’s body. In this documentary special, Bill Kurtis will join the search and document the recovery mission. He will also revisit Natalee Holloway’s disappearance and subsequent investigation to try and answer the questions on everyone’s mind – where is Natalee? And will her case ever be solved?

http://www.citvasia.com/detailssynopsis.aspx?libId=336&sId=168&sTime=1200

Does the highlighted words imply that Dateline stepped off the Persistence on January 1, 2008 following the visual dive and ... Kurtis Productions step on the boat prior to the January 7, 2008 recovery.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 01:08:15 PM
Somebody talk to me.  Please.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 13, 2009, 01:13:45 PM
Somebody talk to me.  Please.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

Your not crazy Janet!We're here! ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 01:24:25 PM


Well that's the thing - I don't consider it as a betrayal or a deception on Kurtis' part.

They didn't owe us anything - and we made that clear from the start.  It was their program, we were just helping them with information for it.

The interviews were their idea, and I'm sure you'll remember none of us was exactly comfortable with that idea - but we agreed in the interest of the truth being put forth.

So when they stopped communications, they only frustration I had was that they didn't let us know they had changed their minds about interviewing us.

I never took that as a betrayal or a deceptive practice on their part.

Think about it.

The Natalee's Freebirds' contact with the representive of Kurtis Productions ceased follow Bill Kurtis trip to a Aruban in January, 2008.  While in Aruba Bill Kurtis had an interview with Julia Renfro.  When this was reported ... you know that I posted that I was concern regarding the influence of the darkside.

Jen ... when all is considered ... I do not trust Kurtis Productions.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 01:27:40 PM
Somebody talk to me.  Please.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

Your not crazy Janet!We're here! ::MonkeyTongue::

Good Morning Keepthefaith.

I hope you and your daughter have been that terrible flu bug.

I am anticipating a call from my daughter.  I hope she is successfuly in her attempt to get somebody to tape the Kurtis Productions documentary that is airing in Thailand.

BBL

Janet
10:30 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 13, 2009, 01:30:44 PM
There is still tomorrows airing that can be taped ... accesses.

What time ET is 12:00 PM Thai time?

Janet

++++++++


MARCH, 2009 - ORIENT

What Happened to Natalee Holloway?
Thursday 12 March 8:00AM HK/SIN/MAL 7:00AM Thai/WIB
Thursday 12 March 2:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 1:00PM Thai/WIB
Saturday 14 March 1:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 12:00PM Thai/WIB


In December of 2007, eight men from across the United States will set out on an extraordinary mission. On a specially equipped, multi-million dollar ship, they will travel to the deep waters off the island of Aruba. They are searching not for sunken treasure, but something far more valuable to them – a missing 18 year-old named Natalee Holloway.

The leader of the effort is Tim Miller, founder of Texas EquuSearch and the father of a 16 year- old girl who was kidnapped and murdered in 1984. Miller has now taken on the recovery of Natalee Holloway as a personal calling. Miller and Natalee Holloway’s father Dave Holloway, believe that Natalee was likely placed in a crab trap or a steel drum and dumped 3-5 miles offshore, which is where they will focus the search.

Miller has assembled a team of underwater engineering experts from Underwater Expeditions and will bring an arsenal of resources, including hi-tech sonar scanning equipment, underwater video and the help of the FBI and Dutch authorities. The team has but one goal: to bring Natalee home.

Kurtis Productions has been granted exclusive access to what will be the most extensive deep water search to date for Holloway’s body. In this documentary special, Bill Kurtis will join the search and document the recovery mission. He will also revisit Natalee Holloway’s disappearance and subsequent investigation to try and answer the questions on everyone’s mind – where is Natalee? And will her case ever be solved?

http://www.citvasia.com/detailssynopsis.aspx?libId=336&sId=168&sTime=1200

Does the highlighted words imply that Dateline stepped off the Persistence on January 1, 2008 following the visual dive and ... Kurtis Productions step on the boat prior to the January 7, 2008 recovery.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet






I am here and reading, Janet.

This is what appears to me to have happened.  Now can we match this with comments from Kyle?  Is this the time that he said Silvetti was out of the loop?  Who authorized Kurtis Productions to come on board?  Was it Silvetti or Schaefer? 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 02:20:51 PM
While in Aruba in the latter part of January, 2008 ... could Kurtis Productions have connected with the crew of the Persistence?

Is it possible that the "documentary" with the ROV images as backup deceptively implies that Kurtis Productions were on the Persistence when the recovery process take place on January 7, 2008?

Is it possible that the Kurtis Productions' documentary was all staged in February, 2008 and ... the ROV?

Could it be that John Silvetti was out of the loop because he had no idea that when Kurtis Productions were on board in February, 2008 that the ROV footage of the trap would comprise part of an anticipated documentary?

Could it be that Tamikosmom is going nuts and ... a walk with Brandi along the mighty Fraser River would do her a world of good?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

PLEASE READ KYLE KINGMAN'S WORDS VERY CAREFULLY.

Thank you.

Janet
11:20 AM PT

_____


MARCH, 2009 - ASIA

What Happened to Natalee Holloway?
Thursday 12 March 8:00AM HK/SIN/MAL 7:00AM Thai/WIB
Thursday 12 March 2:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 1:00PM Thai/WIB
Saturday 14 March 1:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 12:00PM Thai/WIB

In December of 2007, eight men from across the United States will set out on an extraordinary mission. On a specially equipped, multi-million dollar ship, they will travel to the deep waters off the island of Aruba. They are searching not for sunken treasure, but something far more valuable to them – a missing 18 year-old named Natalee Holloway.

The leader of the effort is Tim Miller, founder of Texas EquuSearch and the father of a 16 year- old girl who was kidnapped and murdered in 1984. Miller has now taken on the recovery of Natalee Holloway as a personal calling. Miller and Natalee Holloway’s father Dave Holloway, believe that Natalee was likely placed in a crab trap or a steel drum and dumped 3-5 miles offshore, which is where they will focus the search.

Miller has assembled a team of underwater engineering experts from Underwater Expeditions and will bring an arsenal of resources, including hi-tech sonar scanning equipment, underwater video and the help of the FBI and Dutch authorities. The team has but one goal: to bring Natalee home.

Kurtis Productions has been granted exclusive access to what will be the most extensive deep water search to date for Holloway’s body. In this documentary special, Bill Kurtis will join the search and document the recovery mission. He will also revisit Natalee Holloway’s disappearance and subsequent investigation to try and answer the questions on everyone’s mind – where is Natalee? And will her case ever be solved?

http://www.citvasia.com/detailssynopsis.aspx?libId=336&sId=168&sTime=1200


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman - 02/12/08
: We are all holding up well. I just flew back to New Jersey for a much needed break. I've been on the Persistence in Aruba since the 15th of December and will be back on board in about a week amid ROV dives. Things have only just begun to get interesting. We'll likely require a film crew on board for most of the remaining work, so once aired you'll have a lot more information.


Kyle Kingman: Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday. I do not know how far along this documentary is. I have not had any part in it. In fact, I heard this documentary has distanced most everyone from Louis. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.


Kyle Kingman - 06/10/08: Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere. We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 02:23:37 PM
EDIT


Is it possible that the Kurtis Productions' documentary was all staged in February, 2008 and ... the ROV images became a part of that staging.?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wingnut on March 13, 2009, 02:39:52 PM
Janet,

Maybe this will help ease your mind a bit.  Mine is completely at ease, and I do believe what that producer told me.

She did mention that Dateline was there with Tim Miller.  Now, from what I understand of the production world (which admittedly isn't much) that means Dateline had an exclusive with Tim Miller.  Which to me means, Tim wasn't talking to other media.  Sure - he probably did before the search began - it was all over the news.

But, other than that regarding Dateline, she didn't mention Miller's name once.

I do believe what she told me - that it was a project they were working on, but it fell through.  I wouldn't doubt their pre-editing footage and interviews are still kicking around somewhere  - but without the ROV footage, it hit a brick wall - and that was the end of it.

So in a nutshell, I don't for one second believe Tim Miller was involved in the attempted sale of that ROV footage.  He didn't even know about it.  If he had known about it, he definitely would have screamed it from the rooftops - and he certainly would have told Natalee's family about it.

Wonder if they'd let the Freebirds have a little look-see at that footage/interviews in exchange for all the information you all gave them?

Probably have to get to Bill Kurtis to make that request though...



I would doubt it.  She was shocked when I read her that promo from the citv site - and I think it was that shock that allowed me to get what little information I could from her.

Aside from that, we made a promise to them way back when - Natalee's Freebirds didn't want anything in return for our help with that first program.  Not recognition, not money - hell, we were even trying to remain as anonymous as possible, we had a consensus amongst us that we would actually want our faces blurred out from the interviews they were wanting us to do - if they would agree to that.

All to keep the focus on Natalee, and not on us.

So..............I think going back and asking for something now wouldn't sit right with me.

No matter how much I would LOVE to see it!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Not to mention, the proposition was CHICAGO in JANUARY or FEBRUARY as I recall.  Brrrr.  Not exactly a dream trip! 

I am with ya, though, Jen.  I remember all the discussion about how we could best explain the case while making sure it was about Natalee, and didn't become about the Freebirds.  I wish it would have panned out.  No telling what the angle will be after hearing Renho's version of events. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 02:44:40 PM
Klaas ... Mods

Please delete post 101

Thank you

Janet

Done.  (so much for your promise)    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 13, 2009, 02:51:47 PM


Well that's the thing - I don't consider it as a betrayal or a deception on Kurtis' part.

They didn't owe us anything - and we made that clear from the start.  It was their program, we were just helping them with information for it.

The interviews were their idea, and I'm sure you'll remember none of us was exactly comfortable with that idea - but we agreed in the interest of the truth being put forth.

So when they stopped communications, they only frustration I had was that they didn't let us know they had changed their minds about interviewing us.

I never took that as a betrayal or a deceptive practice on their part.

Think about it.

The Natalee's Freebirds' contact with the representive of Kurtis Productions ceased follow Bill Kurtis trip to a Aruban in January, 2008.  While in Aruba Bill Kurtis had an interview with Julia Renfro.  When this was reported ... you know that I posted that I was concern regarding the influence of the darkside.

Jen ... when all is considered ... I do not trust Kurtis Productions.

Janet

I do remember that.  I guess the bottom line for me is - they aired their special in accordance with the facts, and whatever Renfro told them - they certainly didn't consider it to be credible, as they didn't incorporate that into their production.

So for me, they aired the factual truth - nothing more, nothing less.  That keeps Kurtis Productions high on my list for credibility.  :smt049

Like I said, the only frustration for me was in not letting us know they changed their minds about interviews.  And the only reason that was a frustration for me, was because we didn't know if we needed to adjust our schedules to accommodate that or not.

To be perfectly honest, when we didn't hear from them again - I was relieved.  The last thing, IMO, this broadcast needed was for the focus to be shifted in any way from Natalee to a group of "online advocates".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 13, 2009, 02:53:59 PM
Janet,

Maybe this will help ease your mind a bit.  Mine is completely at ease, and I do believe what that producer told me.

She did mention that Dateline was there with Tim Miller.  Now, from what I understand of the production world (which admittedly isn't much) that means Dateline had an exclusive with Tim Miller.  Which to me means, Tim wasn't talking to other media.  Sure - he probably did before the search began - it was all over the news.

But, other than that regarding Dateline, she didn't mention Miller's name once.

I do believe what she told me - that it was a project they were working on, but it fell through.  I wouldn't doubt their pre-editing footage and interviews are still kicking around somewhere  - but without the ROV footage, it hit a brick wall - and that was the end of it.

So in a nutshell, I don't for one second believe Tim Miller was involved in the attempted sale of that ROV footage.  He didn't even know about it.  If he had known about it, he definitely would have screamed it from the rooftops - and he certainly would have told Natalee's family about it.

Wonder if they'd let the Freebirds have a little look-see at that footage/interviews in exchange for all the information you all gave them?

Probably have to get to Bill Kurtis to make that request though...



I would doubt it.  She was shocked when I read her that promo from the citv site - and I think it was that shock that allowed me to get what little information I could from her.

Aside from that, we made a promise to them way back when - Natalee's Freebirds didn't want anything in return for our help with that first program.  Not recognition, not money - hell, we were even trying to remain as anonymous as possible, we had a consensus amongst us that we would actually want our faces blurred out from the interviews they were wanting us to do - if they would agree to that.

All to keep the focus on Natalee, and not on us.

So..............I think going back and asking for something now wouldn't sit right with me.

No matter how much I would LOVE to see it!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Not to mention, the proposition was CHICAGO in JANUARY or FEBRUARY as I recall.  Brrrr.  Not exactly a dream trip! 

I am with ya, though, Jen.  I remember all the discussion about how we could best explain the case while making sure it was about Natalee, and didn't become about the Freebirds.  I wish it would have panned out.  No telling what the angle will be after hearing Renho's version of events. 

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  She is a downright twisted individual, that's for sure!  I'm glad they apparently blew off whatever she had to say.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2009, 02:59:10 PM
Klaas ... Mods

Please delete post 101

Thank you

Janet

Done.  (so much for your promise)    ::MonkeyHaHa::

OK, but I did it too so now I think both are gone?   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 13, 2009, 02:59:32 PM
The Dutch program at this link was televised on 2-12-08.  That film crew was aboard the Persistence at some time also, I have no idea when.  

Just thought I'd mention it.

http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6472985

Google translation:

By including-Looking for Natalee. An American ship studies already about three months meticulously the seabed off the coast of Aruba. Sophisticated sonar equipment, the crew into nothing less than the body of Natalee Holloway. Sponsored by a wealthy American, the crew hopes for a miracle. The declaration of Joran van der Sloot, over a week ago because Natalee's body is dumped into the sea, the crew strengthened in their conviction that they are perhaps the best hope for this case ever be solved.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 13, 2009, 03:01:07 PM
Janet,

I was just trying to figure out what time it is in Asian locations.  It's almost 3pm 3/13/09 here ET.  Phuket, Thailand it's almost 2am 3/14/09.  It appears that they are 11 to 12 hours ahead of us here on the east coast.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong, please.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 03:06:24 PM
Klaas ... Mods

Please delete post 101

Thank you

Janet

Done.  (so much for your promise)    ::MonkeyHaHa::

OK, but I did it too so now I think both are gone?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Whew!!

No problem. I will repost.

DIL will so proud of me.  She instructed me to save any post that I consider important "immediately".  I often do not comply and ... scan over my posts at the end of the day.  Today ... I am cutting and pasting like crazy.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 03:10:29 PM
Could it be that the deception encompassing the Kurtis Production implied there could be problems if the entire documentary was shown in the States in the air in September, 2008 but ... airing the entire documentary in Asia and New Zealand ....

When all is said and done ... the dialogue on the Natalee Holloway forums will be VERY interesting ... IF the airing of the Kurtis Productions' documentary in Asia and NZ include the trap recovery.

Janet

+++++


REMINDER - COMPARE THE INTRODUCTIONS


SEPTEMBER, 2008 - UNITED STATES


Upcoming Airings:
Thursday, September 18 @ 11pm/10C
Friday, September 19 @ 3am/2C
Sunday, September 21 @ 4pm/3C

Bill Kurtis hosts this documentary special that looks at the case that shocked the nation–the disappearance of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway on the island of Aruba on May 30, 2005. Natalee was last seen alive leaving a bar with three young local men, who became the prime suspects. Natalee’s mother, Beth, is convinced that the men know what happened to her daughter, but authorities have been unable to come up with definitive proof that they are responsible for her death. Kurtis examines the key questions in the case: Will Natalee’s body ever be found? Why can’t authorities solve the case? And where did the investigation go wrong?

http://www.aetv.com/listings/episode_details.do?episodeid=360922&airingid=360996


JANUARY, 2009 - NEW ZEALAND

What Happened To Natalee Holloway
1 Jan, 09 Sky's blog | | 86 reads
CRIME & INVESTIGATION – Sunday 11 January, 9.30pm

In December of 2007, eight men from across the United States set out on an extraordinary mission. On a specially equipped, multi-million dollar ship, they will travel to the deep waters off the island of Aruba. They are searching not for sunken treasure, but something far more valuable to them, a missing 18 year-old named Natalee Holloway

http://www.throng.co.nz/documentary/what-happened-natalee-holloway


MARCH, 2009 - ASIA

What Happened to Natalee Holloway?
Thursday 12 March 8:00AM HK/SIN/MAL 7:00AM Thai/WIB
Thursday 12 March 2:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 1:00PM Thai/WIB
Saturday 14 March 1:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 12:00PM Thai/WIB

In December of 2007, eight men from across the United States will set out on an extraordinary mission. On a specially equipped, multi-million dollar ship, they will travel to the deep waters off the island of Aruba. They are searching not for sunken treasure, but something far more valuable to them – a missing 18 year-old named Natalee Holloway.

The leader of the effort is Tim Miller, founder of Texas EquuSearch and the father of a 16 year- old girl who was kidnapped and murdered in 1984. Miller has now taken on the recovery of Natalee Holloway as a personal calling. Miller and Natalee Holloway’s father Dave Holloway, believe that Natalee was likely placed in a crab trap or a steel drum and dumped 3-5 miles offshore, which is where they will focus the search.

Miller has assembled a team of underwater engineering experts from Underwater Expeditions and will bring an arsenal of resources, including hi-tech sonar scanning equipment, underwater video and the help of the FBI and Dutch authorities. The team has but one goal: to bring Natalee home.

Kurtis Productions has been granted exclusive access to what will be the most extensive deep water search to date for Holloway’s body. In this documentary special, Bill Kurtis will join the search and document the recovery mission. He will also revisit Natalee Holloway’s disappearance and subsequent investigation to try and answer the questions on everyone’s mind – where is Natalee? And will her case ever be solved?

http://www.citvasia.com/detailssynopsis.aspx?libId=336&sId=168&sTime=1200




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Mere on March 13, 2009, 03:12:19 PM
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=102

Hong Kong, China
The native name of China is Zhong Guo
Current Time Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 3:11:56 AM
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 13, 2009, 03:15:22 PM
Superior Offshore International Inc...Form 10Q Quarterly Report Ending 6/30/2007

Very Interesting Reading

SUBSIDIARIES
As of the date of the Credit Agreement:
Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd. (Cayman Islands – 100% of stock owned by Superior Offshore International, Inc.)
Superior Subsea Personnel Services Ltd. (Cayman Islands – 100% of stock owned by Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd.)
Superior Subsea Contractors Ltd. (Cayman Islands – 100% of stock owned by Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd.)
Subtech Offshore (PTY) Ltd. (South Africa – 100% of stock owned by Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd.)


http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/EFX_dll/EDGARpro.dll?FetchFilingHTML1?SessionID=reGdWOiAJCKqn6B&ID=5379439


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 03:16:30 PM
Janet,

I was just trying to figure out what time it is in Asian locations.  It's almost 3pm 3/13/09 here ET.  Phuket, Thailand it's almost 2am 3/14/09.  It appears that they are 11 to 12 hours ahead of us here on the east coast.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong, please.

2NJSons_Mom ... thanks.

I received an email from daughter implyng it may be a while untill she gets a reply from Thailand because of the time difference.  However ... she has emailed three workers as well as the manager of the ministry.  It is an attempt to make sure that her message is received in time by "somebody" so that the documentary can be recorded.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 03:18:47 PM
Klaas ... Mods

Please delete post 101

Thank you

Janet

Done.  (so much for your promise)    ::MonkeyHaHa::

I promise to never again bother Klaas or the Mods in regards to editing/deleting my posts.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Mere on March 13, 2009, 03:22:45 PM
Bangkok, Thailand
Bangkok is also known as Krung Thep
Bangkok is the capital of Thailand
Current Time Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 2:21:59 AM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 13, 2009, 03:24:24 PM
The Dutch program at this link was televised on 2-12-08.  That film crew was aboard the Persistence at some time also, I have no idea when.  

Just thought I'd mention it.

http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6472985

Google translation:

By including-Looking for Natalee. An American ship studies already about three months meticulously the seabed off the coast of Aruba. Sophisticated sonar equipment, the crew into nothing less than the body of Natalee Holloway. Sponsored by a wealthy American, the crew hopes for a miracle. The declaration of Joran van der Sloot, over a week ago because Natalee's body is dumped into the sea, the crew strengthened in their conviction that they are perhaps the best hope for this case ever be solved.


Wow!  Just how many film crews were milling about that boat?    ::MonkeyShocked::

The portion on Natalee goes from just past the five minute mark to almost seventeen minutes.  John Silvetti does the intro for the part aboard the Persistence.  He denies any purpose other than looking for Natalee.  I didn't know anyone had even suggested that at that time.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Then it proceeds to interview Dilma Ahrends, Julia Renfro and Rudy Croes for a real onesided version of events.

I don't recall having ever seen this before, TM.  Thanks for posting it.  It also opens the scenario to others who might be interested in footage, the Dutch.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 13, 2009, 03:27:39 PM
Superior Offshore International Inc...Form 10Q Quarterly Report Ending 6/30/2007

Very Interesting Reading

SUBSIDIARIES
As of the date of the Credit Agreement:
Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd. (Cayman Islands – 100% of stock owned by Superior Offshore International, Inc.)
Superior Subsea Personnel Services Ltd. (Cayman Islands – 100% of stock owned by Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd.)
Superior Subsea Contractors Ltd. (Cayman Islands – 100% of stock owned by Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd.)
Subtech Offshore (PTY) Ltd. (South Africa – 100% of stock owned by Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd.)


http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/EFX_dll/EDGARpro.dll?FetchFilingHTML1?SessionID=reGdWOiAJCKqn6B&ID=5379439

OK wait a minute..................I know I remember something about going thru the Caymans for their journey down to Aruba.

Or maybe I'm hallucinating?  Anyone else remember this?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 13, 2009, 03:30:38 PM
Superior Offshore International Inc...Form 10Q Quarterly Report Ending 6/30/2007

Very Interesting Reading

SUBSIDIARIES
As of the date of the Credit Agreement:
Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd. (Cayman Islands – 100% of stock owned by Superior Offshore International, Inc.)
Superior Subsea Personnel Services Ltd. (Cayman Islands – 100% of stock owned by Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd.)
Superior Subsea Contractors Ltd. (Cayman Islands – 100% of stock owned by Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd.)
Subtech Offshore (PTY) Ltd. (South Africa – 100% of stock owned by Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd.)


http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/EFX_dll/EDGARpro.dll?FetchFilingHTML1?SessionID=reGdWOiAJCKqn6B&ID=5379439

Welcome To Subsea Personnel Inc.
Subsea Personnel Inc. : is an independent diving and ROV company providing the international Rov Personne</span>l and Offshore -Onshore Personnel in Oil Field industry with a complete underwater contracting service.

A manpower resource and development, and Business Process Outsourcing (BPO) service company.

We specialized in recruitment and supply professional workforces to meet the clients need.

Subsea Personnel Inc., employment recruiter suppliers of ROV personnel, ROV Pilot Technicians, and other various ROV personnel in UK, Canada, Australia, Middle East, Thailand, India and all over the world..

Experience
Our senior management team has all been involved in recruiting technical personnel and providing personnel consulting services to the oil and gas, onshoreoffshore industries.
All our people have worked for companies like Fugro Technip, Subsea7 & Chevron, Halliburton, McDermott, ConocoPhillips, Schlumberger, Shell oil and gas majors.

Our market research and recruitment team are active in all pats of the world in particular UK , US, Singapore , Indonesia , Korea , Thailand , Vietnam , China , and all over the world.

Operations
We operate 24/7 across all time zones designed for instant response to client requirements for technical people.

Thank you for visiting our site, we look forward personally to answering any questions you may have regarding services.

Best Regards,
Subsea Personnel Inc. Team

http://tinyurl.com/djnto6


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 13, 2009, 03:31:01 PM
The Dutch program at this link was televised on 2-12-08.  That film crew was aboard the Persistence at some time also, I have no idea when.  

Just thought I'd mention it.

http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6472985

Google translation:

By including-Looking for Natalee. An American ship studies already about three months meticulously the seabed off the coast of Aruba. Sophisticated sonar equipment, the crew into nothing less than the body of Natalee Holloway. Sponsored by a wealthy American, the crew hopes for a miracle. The declaration of Joran van der Sloot, over a week ago because Natalee's body is dumped into the sea, the crew strengthened in their conviction that they are perhaps the best hope for this case ever be solved.


Wow!  Just how many film crews were milling about that boat?    ::MonkeyShocked::

The portion on Natalee goes from just past the five minute mark to almost seventeen minutes.  John Silvetti does the intro for the part aboard the Persistence.  He denies any purpose other than looking for Natalee.  I didn't know anyone had even suggested that at that time.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Then it proceeds to interview Dilma Ahrends, Julia Renfro and Rudy Croes for a real onesided version of events.

I don't recall having ever seen this before, TM.  Thanks for posting it.  It also opens the scenario to others who might be interested in footage, the Dutch.





This is the one that can be found on Silvetti's website.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 03:35:13 PM
Jen ...  I was disappointed in the September, 2008 documentary.  I had anticipated so much more.

It is true that September, 2008 Kurtis Production documentary was factually in regards to what was covered.

However ... all the Natalee's Freebirds' efforts ... in providing incriminating research to the representative of Kurtis Productions that encompassed Joran, Deepak, Satish and Paulus as well as the corrupt investigation ... were all for for naught.

IMO.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 03:41:18 PM
The Dutch program at this link was televised on 2-12-08.  That film crew was aboard the Persistence at some time also, I have no idea when.  

Just thought I'd mention it.

http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6472985

Google translation:

By including-Looking for Natalee. An American ship studies already about three months meticulously the seabed off the coast of Aruba. Sophisticated sonar equipment, the crew into nothing less than the body of Natalee Holloway. Sponsored by a wealthy American, the crew hopes for a miracle. The declaration of Joran van der Sloot, over a week ago because Natalee's body is dumped into the sea, the crew strengthened in their conviction that they are perhaps the best hope for this case ever be solved.


Wow!  Just how many film crews were milling about that boat?    ::MonkeyShocked::

The portion on Natalee goes from just past the five minute mark to almost seventeen minutes.  John Silvetti does the intro for the part aboard the Persistence.  He denies any purpose other than looking for Natalee.  I didn't know anyone had even suggested that at that time.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Then it proceeds to interview Dilma Ahrends, Julia Renfro and Rudy Croes for a real onesided version of events.

I don't recall having ever seen this before, TM.  Thanks for posting it.  It also opens the scenario to others who might be interested in footage, the Dutch.





When Bill Kurtis was in Aruba in January, 2008 ... Rene Gielen was also there in the process of producing a documentary also.

Janet

++++


Anita van der Sloot
Pauw & Witteman Show
January 11, 2008
Witteman: Do you think she’s dead?


Anita: I don't know, I have thought for a long time that she is alive, and there have been indications she is.  And those facts have to be investigated. Rene Gielen on Curacao is making a documentary, she has interviewed a lot a people, we know because she's in contact with us.  I really would like for the other side of the story to also be investigated.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/media/jorandevries.htm

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2767.msg370253;topicseen#msg370253



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 13, 2009, 03:46:10 PM
Superior Offshore International Inc...Form 10Q Quarterly Report Ending 6/30/2007

Very Interesting Reading

SUBSIDIARIES
As of the date of the Credit Agreement:
Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd. (Cayman Islands – 100% of stock owned by Superior Offshore International, Inc.)
Superior Subsea Personnel Services Ltd. (Cayman Islands – 100% of stock owned by Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd.)
Superior Subsea Contractors Ltd. (Cayman Islands – 100% of stock owned by Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd.)
Subtech Offshore (PTY) Ltd. (South Africa – 100% of stock owned by Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd.)


http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/EFX_dll/EDGARpro.dll?FetchFilingHTML1?SessionID=reGdWOiAJCKqn6B&ID=5379439

Welcome To Subsea Personnel Inc.
Subsea Personnel Inc. : is an independent diving and ROV company providing the international Rov Personne</span>l and Offshore -Onshore Personnel in Oil Field industry with a complete underwater contracting service.

A manpower resource and development, and Business Process Outsourcing (BPO) service company.

We specialized in recruitment and supply professional workforces to meet the clients need.

Subsea Personnel Inc., employment recruiter suppliers of ROV personnel, ROV Pilot Technicians, and other various ROV personnel in UK, Canada, Australia, Middle East, Thailand, India and all over the world..

Experience
Our senior management team has all been involved in recruiting technical personnel and providing personnel consulting services to the oil and gas, onshoreoffshore industries.
All our people have worked for companies like Fugro Technip, Subsea7 & Chevron, Halliburton, McDermott, ConocoPhillips, Schlumberger, Shell oil and gas majors.

Our market research and recruitment team are active in all pats of the world in particular UK , US, Singapore , Indonesia , Korea , Thailand , Vietnam , China , and all over the world.

Operations
We operate 24/7 across all time zones designed for instant response to client requirements for technical people.

Thank you for visiting our site, we look forward personally to answering any questions you may have regarding services.

Best Regards,
Subsea Personnel Inc. Team

http://tinyurl.com/djnto6

Subsea 7 Holding Inc
P.O. Box 309
Ugland House
South Church Street
George Town
Grand Cayman KY1-1104
Cayman Islands


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 13, 2009, 03:46:32 PM
The Dutch program at this link was televised on 2-12-08.  That film crew was aboard the Persistence at some time also, I have no idea when.  

Just thought I'd mention it.

http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6472985

Google translation:

By including-Looking for Natalee. An American ship studies already about three months meticulously the seabed off the coast of Aruba. Sophisticated sonar equipment, the crew into nothing less than the body of Natalee Holloway. Sponsored by a wealthy American, the crew hopes for a miracle. The declaration of Joran van der Sloot, over a week ago because Natalee's body is dumped into the sea, the crew strengthened in their conviction that they are perhaps the best hope for this case ever be solved.


Wow!  Just how many film crews were milling about that boat?    ::MonkeyShocked::

The portion on Natalee goes from just past the five minute mark to almost seventeen minutes.  John Silvetti does the intro for the part aboard the Persistence.  He denies any purpose other than looking for Natalee.  I didn't know anyone had even suggested that at that time.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Then it proceeds to interview Dilma Ahrends, Julia Renfro and Rudy Croes for a real one-sided version of events.

I don't recall having ever seen this before, TM.  Thanks for posting it.  It also opens the scenario to others who might be interested in footage, the Dutch.





This is the one that can be found on Silvetti's website.


Well, I have never gone to Silvetti's website~only to Kyle's website.

I wonder why he would select a video with Julia Renfro trashing Natalee's family like that?  I suppose because it features him so prominently.

Interesting.  The Persistence was just crawling with film crews.  Amazing that they could actually get any work done for them.

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 13, 2009, 03:47:25 PM
Superior Offshore International Inc...Form 10Q Quarterly Report Ending 6/30/2007

Very Interesting Reading

SUBSIDIARIES
As of the date of the Credit Agreement:
Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd. (Cayman Islands – 100% of stock owned by Superior Offshore International, Inc.)
Superior Subsea Personnel Services Ltd. (Cayman Islands – 100% of stock owned by Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd.)
Superior Subsea Contractors Ltd. (Cayman Islands – 100% of stock owned by Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd.)
Subtech Offshore (PTY) Ltd. (South Africa – 100% of stock owned by Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd.)


http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/EFX_dll/EDGARpro.dll?FetchFilingHTML1?SessionID=reGdWOiAJCKqn6B&ID=5379439

SUPERIOR OFFSHORE PERSONNEL SERVICES
Dubai Branch
Block E-1, Office 314, Dubai Airport Free Zone,
Dubai, United Arab Emirates
Office: +971-4-2997838
Fax: +971-4-2990667
Mobile: +971-50-5055065
Email: info@superioroffshore.com
Website: www.superioroffshore.com
http://www.oilandgasdirectory.com/ogd2008/pages/corporate_profile/27.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 13, 2009, 03:50:09 PM
The Dutch program at this link was televised on 2-12-08.  That film crew was aboard the Persistence at some time also, I have no idea when.  

Just thought I'd mention it.

http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6472985

Google translation:

By including-Looking for Natalee. An American ship studies already about three months meticulously the seabed off the coast of Aruba. Sophisticated sonar equipment, the crew into nothing less than the body of Natalee Holloway. Sponsored by a wealthy American, the crew hopes for a miracle. The declaration of Joran van der Sloot, over a week ago because Natalee's body is dumped into the sea, the crew strengthened in their conviction that they are perhaps the best hope for this case ever be solved.


Wow!  Just how many film crews were milling about that boat?    ::MonkeyShocked::

The portion on Natalee goes from just past the five minute mark to almost seventeen minutes.  John Silvetti does the intro for the part aboard the Persistence.  He denies any purpose other than looking for Natalee.  I didn't know anyone had even suggested that at that time.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Then it proceeds to interview Dilma Ahrends, Julia Renfro and Rudy Croes for a real one-sided version of events.

I don't recall having ever seen this before, TM.  Thanks for posting it.  It also opens the scenario to others who might be interested in footage, the Dutch.





This is the one that can be found on Silvetti's website.


Well, I have never gone to Silvetti's website~only to Kyle's website.

I wonder why he would select a video with Julia Renfro trashing Natalee's family like that?  I suppose because it features him so prominently.

Interesting.  The Persistence was just crawling with film crews.  Amazing that they could actually get any work done for them.

.

Let me check, Anna.  There was a Dutch program on Silvetti's site but it may not have been this one.  That would be my mistake


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 13, 2009, 03:52:31 PM
Superior Offshore International Inc...Form 10Q Quarterly Report Ending 6/30/2007

Very Interesting Reading

SUBSIDIARIES
As of the date of the Credit Agreement:
Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd. (Cayman Islands – 100% of stock owned by Superior Offshore International, Inc.)
Superior Subsea Personnel Services Ltd. (Cayman Islands – 100% of stock owned by Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd.)
Superior Subsea Contractors Ltd. (Cayman Islands – 100% of stock owned by Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd.)
Subtech Offshore (PTY) Ltd. (South Africa – 100% of stock owned by Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd.)


http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/EFX_dll/EDGARpro.dll?FetchFilingHTML1?SessionID=reGdWOiAJCKqn6B&ID=5379439

OK wait a minute..................I know I remember something about going thru the Caymans for their journey down to Aruba.

Or maybe I'm hallucinating?  Anyone else remember this?

 ::MonkeyLaugh::  I'm happy to know I was not hallucinating.

Transit Route - Approx. 1700 miles, Louisiana to Mexico, to Grand Cayman Is., to Aruba
---------

We will leave the dock at Midnight on 27-November, 2007 to perform a "wet-test" on all the gear. This test will take approximately 2 days, where we will calibrate and test all the equipment under real survey conditions. After all testing is complete, we will go back to the dock to drop off all survey personnel, and the R/V Persistence will begin its long journey to Aruba. The journey (approx. 1700 miles) will take around 10 days including fuel stops in Mexico and perhaps Grand Cayman.
-------------

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2007-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&updated-max=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&max-results=9


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 13, 2009, 03:53:36 PM
Superior Offshore International Inc...Form 10Q Quarterly Report Ending 6/30/2007

Very Interesting Reading

SUBSIDIARIES
As of the date of the Credit Agreement:
Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd. (Cayman Islands – 100% of stock owned by Superior Offshore International, Inc.)
Superior Subsea Personnel Services Ltd. (Cayman Islands – 100% of stock owned by Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd.)
Superior Subsea Contractors Ltd. (Cayman Islands – 100% of stock owned by Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd.)
Subtech Offshore (PTY) Ltd. (South Africa – 100% of stock owned by Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd.)


http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/EFX_dll/EDGARpro.dll?FetchFilingHTML1?SessionID=reGdWOiAJCKqn6B&ID=5379439

OK wait a minute..................I know I remember something about going thru the Caymans for their journey down to Aruba.

Or maybe I'm hallucinating?  Anyone else remember this?

I remember that they took shelter on the west side of Jamica to wait out Hurricaine Olga.

Grand Cayman is big in the offshore banking business.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 13, 2009, 03:55:38 PM
The Dutch program at this link was televised on 2-12-08.  That film crew was aboard the Persistence at some time also, I have no idea when.  

Just thought I'd mention it.

http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6472985

Google translation:

By including-Looking for Natalee. An American ship studies already about three months meticulously the seabed off the coast of Aruba. Sophisticated sonar equipment, the crew into nothing less than the body of Natalee Holloway. Sponsored by a wealthy American, the crew hopes for a miracle. The declaration of Joran van der Sloot, over a week ago because Natalee's body is dumped into the sea, the crew strengthened in their conviction that they are perhaps the best hope for this case ever be solved.


Wow!  Just how many film crews were milling about that boat?    ::MonkeyShocked::

The portion on Natalee goes from just past the five minute mark to almost seventeen minutes.  John Silvetti does the intro for the part aboard the Persistence.  He denies any purpose other than looking for Natalee.  I didn't know anyone had even suggested that at that time.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Then it proceeds to interview Dilma Ahrends, Julia Renfro and Rudy Croes for a real one-sided version of events.

I don't recall having ever seen this before, TM.  Thanks for posting it.  It also opens the scenario to others who might be interested in footage, the Dutch.





This is the one that can be found on Silvetti's website.


Well, I have never gone to Silvetti's website~only to Kyle's website.

I wonder why he would select a video with Julia Renfro trashing Natalee's family like that?  I suppose because it features him so prominently.

Interesting.  The Persistence was just crawling with film crews.  Amazing that they could actually get any work done for them.

.

Let me check, Anna.  There was a Dutch program on Silvetti's site but it may not have been this one.  That would be my mistake

http://www.silvettigroup.com/Media.html

First one:  EenVandaag Video

It was opening slowly for me, so I gave up.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: sharon on March 13, 2009, 03:59:53 PM
Jen ...  I was disappointed in the September, 2008 documentary.  I had anticipated so much more.

It is true that September, 2008 Kurtis Production documentary was factually in regards to what was covered.

However ... all the Natalee's Freebirds' efforts ... in providing incriminating research to the representative of Kurtis Productions that encompassed Joran, Deepak, Satish and Paulus as well as the corrupt investigation ... were all for for naught.

IMO.

Janet



I'm heading out the door - but had to chime in.


Another disappointment from our Kurtis 'non adventure' -- was that we never got to drag YOU to a bar. Or was it a lounge?


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Janet -- big round of appreciation for your daugher.






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 13, 2009, 04:00:31 PM
Superior Offshore International Inc...Form 10Q Quarterly Report Ending 6/30/2007

Very Interesting Reading

SUBSIDIARIES
As of the date of the Credit Agreement:
Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd. (Cayman Islands – 100% of stock owned by Superior Offshore International, Inc.)
Superior Subsea Personnel Services Ltd. (Cayman Islands – 100% of stock owned by Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd.)
Superior Subsea Contractors Ltd. (Cayman Islands – 100% of stock owned by Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd.)
Subtech Offshore (PTY) Ltd. (South Africa – 100% of stock owned by Superior Subsea Holdings Ltd.)


http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/EFX_dll/EDGARpro.dll?FetchFilingHTML1?SessionID=reGdWOiAJCKqn6B&ID=5379439

OK wait a minute..................I know I remember something about going thru the Caymans for their journey down to Aruba.

Or maybe I'm hallucinating?  Anyone else remember this?

I remember that they took shelter on the west side of Jamica to wait out Hurricaine Olga.

Grand Cayman is big in the offshore banking business.

So true.  They are what?  4th or 5th largest financial center in the world.

And Schaefer opened up 3 different companies there.  I wonder when he did that?  They were listed as of Q2 for Superior...........but I wonder when, exactly, he opened those up.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 04:15:59 PM
Jen ...  I was disappointed in the September, 2008 documentary.  I had anticipated so much more.

It is true that September, 2008 Kurtis Production documentary was factually in regards to what was covered.

However ... all the Natalee's Freebirds' efforts ... in providing incriminating research to the representative of Kurtis Productions that encompassed Joran, Deepak, Satish and Paulus as well as the corrupt investigation ... were all for for naught.

IMO.

Janet



I'm heading out the door - but had to chime in.


Another disappointment from our Kurtis 'non adventure' -- was that we never got to drag YOU to a bar. Or was it a lounge?


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Janet -- big round of appreciation for your daugher.


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think me sitting in a bar would have been the highlight of the whole trip for the Natalee's Freebirds.  Yes ... it was at my insistence that the bar would be referred to in all writings as a "lounge."

Thanks Sharon ... I really mean it.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 13, 2009, 04:33:07 PM
Jen ...  I was disappointed in the September, 2008 documentary.  I had anticipated so much more.

It is true that September, 2008 Kurtis Production documentary was factually in regards to what was covered.

However ... all the Natalee's Freebirds' efforts ... in providing incriminating research to the representative of Kurtis Productions that encompassed Joran, Deepak, Satish and Paulus as well as the corrupt investigation ... were all for for naught.

IMO.

Janet



I'm heading out the door - but had to chime in.


Another disappointment from our Kurtis 'non adventure' -- was that we never got to drag YOU to a bar. Or was it a lounge?


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Janet -- big round of appreciation for your daugher.


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think me sitting in a bar would have been the highlight of the whole trip for the Natalee's Freebirds.  Yes ... it was at my insistence that the bar would be referred to in all writings as a "lounge."

Thanks Sharon ... I really mean it.

Janet

If only we could convince you to leave the hidey bag at home........ ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 13, 2009, 05:14:41 PM
The Dutch program at this link was televised on 2-12-08.  That film crew was aboard the Persistence at some time also, I have no idea when.  

Just thought I'd mention it.

http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6472985

Google translation:

By including-Looking for Natalee. An American ship studies already about three months meticulously the seabed off the coast of Aruba. Sophisticated sonar equipment, the crew into nothing less than the body of Natalee Holloway. Sponsored by a wealthy American, the crew hopes for a miracle. The declaration of Joran van der Sloot, over a week ago because Natalee's body is dumped into the sea, the crew strengthened in their conviction that they are perhaps the best hope for this case ever be solved.


Wow!  Just how many film crews were milling about that boat?    ::MonkeyShocked::

The portion on Natalee goes from just past the five minute mark to almost seventeen minutes.  John Silvetti does the intro for the part aboard the Persistence.  He denies any purpose other than looking for Natalee.  I didn't know anyone had even suggested that at that time.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Then it proceeds to interview Dilma Ahrends, Julia Renfro and Rudy Croes for a real one-sided version of events.

I don't recall having ever seen this before, TM.  Thanks for posting it.  It also opens the scenario to others who might be interested in footage, the Dutch.





This is the one that can be found on Silvetti's website.


Well, I have never gone to Silvetti's website~only to Kyle's website.

I wonder why he would select a video with Julia Renfro trashing Natalee's family like that?  I suppose because it features him so prominently.

Interesting.  The Persistence was just crawling with film crews.  Amazing that they could actually get any work done for them.

.

Let me check, Anna.  There was a Dutch program on Silvetti's site but it may not have been this one.  That would be my mistake

http://www.silvettigroup.com/Media.html

First one:  EenVandaag Video

It was opening slowly for me, so I gave up.


Yes, that is the same one and is the first one of his vids listed.  Features not only Silvetti but also Julia discussing her displeasure at the boycott of the "tiny island nation."  Well, it was big enough when it came to refusing to prosecute those so obviously responsible for the disappearance of a U.S. citizen!

But that is the same video.

Thanks, 2 NJ!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 13, 2009, 05:26:36 PM
The Dutch program at this link was televised on 2-12-08.  That film crew was aboard the Persistence at some time also, I have no idea when.  

Just thought I'd mention it.

http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6472985

Google translation:

By including-Looking for Natalee. An American ship studies already about three months meticulously the seabed off the coast of Aruba. Sophisticated sonar equipment, the crew into nothing less than the body of Natalee Holloway. Sponsored by a wealthy American, the crew hopes for a miracle. The declaration of Joran van der Sloot, over a week ago because Natalee's body is dumped into the sea, the crew strengthened in their conviction that they are perhaps the best hope for this case ever be solved.


Wow!  Just how many film crews were milling about that boat?    ::MonkeyShocked::

The portion on Natalee goes from just past the five minute mark to almost seventeen minutes.  John Silvetti does the intro for the part aboard the Persistence.  He denies any purpose other than looking for Natalee.  I didn't know anyone had even suggested that at that time.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Then it proceeds to interview Dilma Ahrends, Julia Renfro and Rudy Croes for a real one-sided version of events.

I don't recall having ever seen this before, TM.  Thanks for posting it.  It also opens the scenario to others who might be interested in footage, the Dutch.





This is the one that can be found on Silvetti's website.


Well, I have never gone to Silvetti's website~only to Kyle's website.

I wonder why he would select a video with Julia Renfro trashing Natalee's family like that?  I suppose because it features him so prominently.

Interesting.  The Persistence was just crawling with film crews.  Amazing that they could actually get any work done for them.

.

Let me check, Anna.  There was a Dutch program on Silvetti's site but it may not have been this one.  That would be my mistake

http://www.silvettigroup.com/Media.html

First one:  EenVandaag Video

It was opening slowly for me, so I gave up.


Yes, that is the same one and is the first one of his vids listed.  Features not only Silvetti but also Julia discussing her displeasure at the boycott of the "tiny island nation."  Well, it was big enough when it came to refusing to prosecute those so obviously responsible for the disappearance of a U.S. citizen!

But that is the same video.

Thanks, 2 NJ!



Yes, it's the same video that is on Silvetti's website.  He who shall not be named posted about it here not long after it was shown; and I posted about it again in the past few months.  I tried to get anyone who could understand the reporter's questions or comments to post about them here; but never received a response.  I posted just the Persistence part of the interview in three parts on the Ocean Search thread that Blonde was working on. 

It's much easier to view here, you don't have to scan through the other stories.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.140

I've always wondered why John Silvetti would have participated in this show considering everyone else that was interviewed.....smells of AHATA very strongly IMO.  Young Jake Lex seems to get a lot of camera time too!   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 13, 2009, 05:41:22 PM
Thanks, TxMoM,

I can understand everything Julia Renfro says and it is all nasty.  This leads me to believe the others in Aruba would be saying much the same in their interviews. 

And I don't see young Kyle anywhere. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 13, 2009, 05:42:51 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53877.php

Google translation:

Extension development relationship Aruba delivers 73 million on
March 13, 2009, 15:47 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/13-aruba-voor-oduber-bij-ba.gif)
 
It was a good conversation were Oduber Prime Minister Balkenende and Thursday in the tower in Den Haag.
ORANGE CITY / THE HAGUE - The conversation between the Prime Minister Nelson Oduber and Jan Peter Balkenende, particularly the damaged relationship between the two countries after the leak of the VNO-reporting recovering well. That the two leaders after informed.

Dutch side are no announcements on the content of the calls made. Oduber also spoke with State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten and Minister of Justice Ernst Hirsch Ballin. Bijleveld is the week of March 23 to Aruba and is the spokesman or more.
Premier Oduber responded yesterday in telephone interviews for Dutch and Aruban media.

It said that he agreed with the Netherlands is now developing relationship with the FDA-fund this year, the period for 18 months. This means that there are 73 million florin additional shows available for projects that do not have to be part of the FDA program. The economic downturn is the main reason why the two countries came to an agreement, said the premier.

Representation
Oduber says Balkenende with detail on the controversial VNO-week notice to have spoken and signed by both prime ministers have been found that it can not. " "If our partners kingdom so we talk, it's not good for the relationship, there is something wrong in the relationship then. We have tried to talk and move forward in the future. "
The Dutch prime minister has said that he Oduber State Secretary Bijleveld still talk about and exchange thoughts on a 'wise decision' this. Oduber would still know what the other reports state that the representation at all this time to Aruba Netherlands sent. Also, the Aruban Prime Minister that there are consequences for the authors of the reports, as he had also previously in a letter to Balkenende had been called. "I have in my political career much good news to read, but this is all slightly lower level." It is according him respect as the Netherlands officials have written the report, get back, also to ensure that the relationship between the two countries weather improves. Oduber stressed that while the authors remain seated, the Aruban government business with the VNO in Aruba does. "Otherwise, this kind of reports continue, because that is the level of officials who report."

Collaboration
This is not a requirement, said Oduber, because Aruba is the relationship with the Kingdom of important. "It is vetches and roads. The government wants that Aruba is not independent and is not in a closer relationship with European Union in the form of a UPG context. Oduber: "We want to cooperate on the basis of the status and means that together we have to trust and feel good together."


Bijleveld on Arubadag
State Secretary of Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten will also celebrate Arubadag in Leiden attend Sunday takes place. Prime Minister Nelson Oduber says she is certainly welcome. "We can make a difference of opinion, but we are all finally Dutch. It may not have a difference of opinion between politicians on a weekly report the relationship to all 110,000 Arubans harm. "He also stressed that in this time of crisis, a way must be found to work well in question.
Good call with Oduber Balkenende '


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 13, 2009, 05:47:17 PM
Thanks, TxMoM,

I can understand everything Julia Renfro says and it is all nasty.  This leads me to believe the others in Aruba would be saying much the same in their interviews. 

And I don't see young Kyle anywhere. 



I agree, I can't stand to watch Julia's part...makes me too mad!  I haven't watched it in a while, but I don't recall seeing Kyle either.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 13, 2009, 05:49:54 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53876.php

Google translation:

Detainees still chained
March 13, 2009, 15:44 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/13-aruba-politiebureau-oran.gif)   
 
Both police officers and the Governor (in his semi-annual reports to the CPT) to the existence of the so-called chill room in the City of Orange cellencomplex not confirm.

ORANGE CITY - The highly critical report in 2007 of the European Committee for the Prevention of Torture and Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment of the Council of Europe (CPT) to the state of prisons and police cells in Aruba has been followed through. From interviews and visits to the cellencomplex in Shaba and San Nicholas in August last year showed that there still would be the determination of detainees chained to iron rings.

The use of the rings was already in 2007 noted in the report of the CPT and despite the recommendation was made to remove them shows that the rings in North, San Nicholas and Santa Cruz to the wall. Researchers continue to mr J de Lange and prof.mr. P.C. White believes that there would have been a so-called chill in the room, after the publication of the CPT report, put cellencomplex outside the police station in Oranjestad. Detainees were hours long in this room have been exposed to very low temperatures to be heard before.
The existence of this space, however, denied by police officers. They told the researchers that this was going to hold that the same type of air conditioning available as the hearing room itself. In the semi-annual report which the Governor of Aruba due to the CPT since the report of 2007 makes no mention of the chill room. The CPT report in 2007 found that prisoners often both during and after their arrests both physically and verbally abused and be intimidated. In the report, however, this indicated that the Governor has indicated that a local police force to avoid a course instructor in the Netherlands would have followed. In addition, the Governor promised automated registration of detainees have no office in use.

The follow-defendants are still too long held in police cells. Although there are clear improvements in prison conditions in Northern and San Nicolas. The complexes have been recently renovated and the general hygiene and sanitation are a lot better since 2007. There are also evening mattresses and there is a belsysteem made for prisoners that they may apply for assistance.

Despite this improvement, the researchers are very concerned about not airing the detainees and the still undersized filing. As well as Orange City of Santa Cruz may not have been in this follow-up study, following disinsecting at the time of the visit could not be determined whether these agencies, improvements are made.

CDI
Although the Centro di pa Detencion exceptionally Illegalnan currently used for criminal aliens who are entitled to stay in the KIA and should be deployed to deportation to place, the investigators believe "that nothing has changed in the CDI. "The renovation has not been claimed, the building is in very poor condition and is totally unacceptable to detain people. Also occasional inclusion of a few prisoners can not tolerate. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 13, 2009, 06:01:24 PM
Thanks, TxMoM,

I can understand everything Julia Renfro says and it is all nasty.  This leads me to believe the others in Aruba would be saying much the same in their interviews. 

And I don't see young Kyle anywhere. 



I agree, I can't stand to watch Julia's part...makes me too mad!  I haven't watched it in a while, but I don't recall seeing Kyle either.

Thanks, Texasmom.....I'm going to watch the one's you posted, again.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 13, 2009, 06:47:00 PM
I just wanted to say that I have watched Bill Kurtis for years and have always regarded him as the best/unbiased investigative reporter on TV. I trust he and his production company is on the "up and up". He is pretty conservative -- but admitted lately that he now opposes the death penalty because of a few cases he has investigated that have wrongly convicted people. I respect him.
.
.
..........................................................then again, I trusted Kyle and the Persistence once.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Monken on March 13, 2009, 06:47:21 PM
Hi Guys,
I thought you all would like to know this
Dave & Robin Holloway's 10 yr. old daughter was injured in a fall from the monkey bars at school earlier this week. She was briefly unconscious & x-rays revealed 2 fractured vertebrae in her back. She is currently in a hospital in Jackson, MS. My granddaughter goes to the same school & this was announced to the students. Please keep the Holloway's in your thoughts & prayers. Monken


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 13, 2009, 06:53:15 PM
Hi Guys,
I thought you all would like to know this
Dave & Robin Holloway's 10 yr. old daughter was injured in a fall from the monkey bars at school earlier this week. She was briefly unconscious & x-rays revealed 2 fractured vertebrae in her back. She is currently in a hospital in Jackson, MS. My granddaughter goes to the same school & this was announced to the students. Please keep the Holloway's in your thoughts & prayers. Monken
Thank-you for the news, Monken -- so sorry to hear that. I'm not sure I even recall they had a young daughter! I'm also sorry to hear it happened on "monkey bars" - we'll probably get blamed at SM.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 13, 2009, 06:53:58 PM
Hi Guys,
I thought you all would like to know this
Dave & Robin Holloway's 10 yr. old daughter was injured in a fall from the monkey bars at school earlier this week. She was briefly unconscious & x-rays revealed 2 fractured vertebrae in her back. She is currently in a hospital in Jackson, MS. My granddaughter goes to the same school & this was announced to the students. Please keep the Holloway's in your thoughts & prayers. Monken

Thank you for letting us know, Monken.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wingnut on March 13, 2009, 07:03:52 PM
Jen ...  I was disappointed in the September, 2008 documentary.  I had anticipated so much more.

It is true that September, 2008 Kurtis Production documentary was factually in regards to what was covered.

However ... all the Natalee's Freebirds' efforts ... in providing incriminating research to the representative of Kurtis Productions that encompassed Joran, Deepak, Satish and Paulus as well as the corrupt investigation ... were all for for naught.

IMO.

Janet



I'm heading out the door - but had to chime in.


Another disappointment from our Kurtis 'non adventure' -- was that we never got to drag YOU to a bar. Or was it a lounge?


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Janet -- big round of appreciation for your daugher.


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think me sitting in a bar would have been the highlight of the whole trip for the Natalee's Freebirds.  Yes ... it was at my insistence that the bar would be referred to in all writings as a "lounge."

Thanks Sharon ... I really mean it.

Janet

If only we could convince you to leave the hidey bag at home........ ::MonkeyCool::


OMG Sharon!  I had forgotten all about the bar/lounge discussion!  Thanks for the memories! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 07:04:24 PM
Hi Guys,
I thought you all would like to know this
Dave & Robin Holloway's 10 yr. old daughter was injured in a fall from the monkey bars at school earlier this week. She was briefly unconscious & x-rays revealed 2 fractured vertebrae in her back. She is currently in a hospital in Jackson, MS. My granddaughter goes to the same school & this was announced to the students. Please keep the Holloway's in your thoughts & prayers. Monken

Thanks Monken.

I hate those Monkey Bars.  They should be banned from schoolyards.

IMO

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wingnut on March 13, 2009, 07:08:12 PM
I just wanted to say that I have watched Bill Kurtis for years and have always regarded him as the best/unbiased investigative reporter on TV. I trust he and his production company is on the "up and up". He is pretty conservative -- but admitted lately that he now opposes the death penalty because of a few cases he has investigated that have wrongly convicted people. I respect him.
.
.
..........................................................then again, I trusted Kyle and the Persistence once.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Hi Wreck!  Bill Kurtis' reputation was "the clincher" in reaching out to see if they needed assistance in finding what they were looking for.  He has always seemed to me present a fair and unskewed viewpoint.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wingnut on March 13, 2009, 07:10:40 PM
Hi Guys,
I thought you all would like to know this
Dave & Robin Holloway's 10 yr. old daughter was injured in a fall from the monkey bars at school earlier this week. She was briefly unconscious & x-rays revealed 2 fractured vertebrae in her back. She is currently in a hospital in Jackson, MS. My granddaughter goes to the same school & this was announced to the students. Please keep the Holloway's in your thoughts & prayers. Monken


Thanks, Monken.  I am truly sorry to hear this.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 07:11:09 PM
Jen ...  I was disappointed in the September, 2008 documentary.  I had anticipated so much more.

It is true that September, 2008 Kurtis Production documentary was factually in regards to what was covered.

However ... all the Natalee's Freebirds' efforts ... in providing incriminating research to the representative of Kurtis Productions that encompassed Joran, Deepak, Satish and Paulus as well as the corrupt investigation ... were all for for naught.

IMO.

Janet



I'm heading out the door - but had to chime in.


Another disappointment from our Kurtis 'non adventure' -- was that we never got to drag YOU to a bar. Or was it a lounge?


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Janet -- big round of appreciation for your daugher.


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think me sitting in a bar would have been the highlight of the whole trip for the Natalee's Freebirds.  Yes ... it was at my insistence that the bar would be referred to in all writings as a "lounge."

Thanks Sharon ... I really mean it.

Janet

If only we could convince you to leave the hidey bag at home........ ::MonkeyCool::

I always wondered .. "Why me?"

  ::MonkeyWaa::

IIRC one of the Natalee's Freebirds provided ALL who were planning on going to Chigago with hidey bags so the "powers that be" in Aruba would not recognize us during the airing of the documentary.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wingnut on March 13, 2009, 07:12:01 PM
I just wanted to say that I have watched Bill Kurtis for years and have always regarded him as the best/unbiased investigative reporter on TV. I trust he and his production company is on the "up and up". He is pretty conservative -- but admitted lately that he now opposes the death penalty because of a few cases he has investigated that have wrongly convicted people. I respect him.
.
.
..........................................................then again, I trusted Kyle and the Persistence once.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Hi Wreck!  Bill Kurtis' reputation was "the clincher" in reaching out to see if they needed assistance in finding what they were looking for.  He has always seemed to me TO present a fair and unskewed viewpoint.


Edited to add the word in red.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wingnut on March 13, 2009, 07:13:25 PM
Jen ...  I was disappointed in the September, 2008 documentary.  I had anticipated so much more.

It is true that September, 2008 Kurtis Production documentary was factually in regards to what was covered.

However ... all the Natalee's Freebirds' efforts ... in providing incriminating research to the representative of Kurtis Productions that encompassed Joran, Deepak, Satish and Paulus as well as the corrupt investigation ... were all for for naught.

IMO.

Janet



I'm heading out the door - but had to chime in.


Another disappointment from our Kurtis 'non adventure' -- was that we never got to drag YOU to a bar. Or was it a lounge?


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Janet -- big round of appreciation for your daugher.


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think me sitting in a bar would have been the highlight of the whole trip for the Natalee's Freebirds.  Yes ... it was at my insistence that the bar would be referred to in all writings as a "lounge."

Thanks Sharon ... I really mean it.

Janet

If only we could convince you to leave the hidey bag at home........ ::MonkeyCool::

I always wondered .. "Why me?"

  ::MonkeyWaa::

IIRC one of the Natalee's Freebirds provided ALL who were planning on going to Chigago with hidey bags so the "powers that be" in Aruba would not recognize us during the airing of the documentary.

Janet



Uh oh.  You're busted, Jen!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 07:20:26 PM
Jen ...  I was disappointed in the September, 2008 documentary.  I had anticipated so much more.

It is true that September, 2008 Kurtis Production documentary was factually in regards to what was covered.

However ... all the Natalee's Freebirds' efforts ... in providing incriminating research to the representative of Kurtis Productions that encompassed Joran, Deepak, Satish and Paulus as well as the corrupt investigation ... were all for for naught.

IMO.

Janet



I'm heading out the door - but had to chime in.


Another disappointment from our Kurtis 'non adventure' -- was that we never got to drag YOU to a bar. Or was it a lounge?


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Janet -- big round of appreciation for your daugher.


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think me sitting in a bar would have been the highlight of the whole trip for the Natalee's Freebirds.  Yes ... it was at my insistence that the bar would be referred to in all writings as a "lounge."

Thanks Sharon ... I really mean it.

Janet

If only we could convince you to leave the hidey bag at home........ ::MonkeyCool::

I always wondered .. "Why me?"

  ::MonkeyWaa::

IIRC one of the Natalee's Freebirds provided ALL who were planning on going to Chigago with hidey bags so the "powers that be" in Aruba would not recognize us during the airing of the documentary.

Janet



Uh oh.  You're busted, Jen!

Hey ... guess how many fingers are pointing back at you ... when you point your finger at Jen.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 07:38:07 PM
I just wanted to say that I have watched Bill Kurtis for years and have always regarded him as the best/unbiased investigative reporter on TV. I trust he and his production company is on the "up and up". He is pretty conservative -- but admitted lately that he now opposes the death penalty because of a few cases he has investigated that have wrongly convicted people. I respect him.
.
.
..........................................................then again, I trusted Kyle and the Persistence once.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Hi Wreck!  Bill Kurtis' reputation was "the clincher" in reaching out to see if they needed assistance in finding what they were looking for.  He has always seemed to me present a fair and unskewed viewpoint.


The only problem is ... presenting an unbias perspective in regards to those who participated in the events that encompassed the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... those involved in the corrupt investigation ... is not "fair" to Natalee Holloway or her family.

I will take a Julia Renfro or a Refugee anyday.  I respect bias reporting over unbias reporting anyday.  I know where the reporter stands in relation to my position.

I believe that freedom of speech implies that each of us should be allowed to make an informed stand on the issues from his or her perspective without fear of being labeled bias.  Since when did bias become a dirty work?

In my opinion Bill Kurtis' Natalee Holloway documentary of September, 2008 ... was nothing more than taking an overview of the basic known facts and ... inserting images.  There was no depth.

I pray for an informed someone to step forward and expose the suspects for who they are ... guilty.  I want an informed someone to step forward and expose the investigation for what it was ... corrupt.

To date ... Beth Holloway and ... only Beth Holloway ... has had the guts to do that.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 07:41:32 PM
I can hear Wingnut loud and clear at this moment.

"Janet said guts."

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 07:49:26 PM
Jen ...  I was disappointed in the September, 2008 documentary.  I had anticipated so much more.

It is true that September, 2008 Kurtis Production documentary was factually in regards to what was covered.

However ... all the Natalee's Freebirds' efforts ... in providing incriminating research to the representative of Kurtis Productions that encompassed Joran, Deepak, Satish and Paulus as well as the corrupt investigation ... were all for for naught.

IMO.

Janet



I'm heading out the door - but had to chime in.


Another disappointment from our Kurtis 'non adventure' -- was that we never got to drag YOU to a bar. Or was it a lounge?


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Janet -- big round of appreciation for your daugher.


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think me sitting in a bar would have been the highlight of the whole trip for the Natalee's Freebirds.  Yes ... it was at my insistence that the bar would be referred to in all writings as a "lounge."

Thanks Sharon ... I really mean it.

Janet

If only we could convince you to leave the hidey bag at home........ ::MonkeyCool::


OMG Sharon!  I had forgotten all about the bar/lounge discussion!  Thanks for the memories! 

I enjoyed the memory of that dialogue too Wingnut.  You all wondered what my hubby .. who was planning on coming along .. would say if his wife went to a bar.  I told ya ... he would probably take a picture.  The kids would not believe it otherwise.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Monken on March 13, 2009, 08:02:25 PM
Hi Guys,
I thought you all would like to know this
Dave & Robin Holloway's 10 yr. old daughter was injured in a fall from the monkey bars at school earlier this week. She was briefly unconscious & x-rays revealed 2 fractured vertebrae in her back. She is currently in a hospital in Jackson, MS. My granddaughter goes to the same school & this was announced to the students. Please keep the Holloway's in your thoughts & prayers. Monken
Thank-you for the news, Monken -- so sorry to hear that. I'm not sure I even recall they had a young daughter! I'm also sorry to hear it happened on "monkey bars" - we'll probably get blamed at SM.


You're Welcome everyone!
Wreck, actually they have 2 daughters, the youngest I believe is in kindergarten. Earlier this school year I saw them both, and as they walked past my car I couldn't believe how much the 10 yr. old looks like Natalee!  It just blew me away!

I'll update when I know more!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 08:59:32 PM
Lou

The planned trip to Chicago in February, 2008 to be interview by Kurtis Productions had nothing to do with Kyle Kingman, John Silvetti, Tim Trahan or Louis Schaefer.  It had everything to do with the suspects who participated in the events that encompassed the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... the corrupt investigation that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since the getgo.

At that period in time Kyle Kingman was not a Natalee's Freebird and ... he had yet to submit one post exposing the John Silvetti deception.

Get it!!  Nothing to do with the Persistence undertaking.

Janet

+++++++++


Quote from: ldstlou on Today at 12:31:49 pm

Has all of the discussion on the cage been about Natalee at all?
I don't think so, I think it is about a few people who felt jilted by the members of the Persistence and Kurtis productions because they did not get their 15 minutes of fame and glory, nor their trip to the windy city.

You will never know how this breaks my heart. The members of SM who were bashed and throw under a bus repeatedly..why? For a missed trip to Chicago and a few seconds on television.

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.45

 

Jen ... The "first part" of the documentary ... the September, 2008 airing ... covered the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  Were you (Natalee's Freebirds) involved with Kurtis Production regarding the the ocean search?

Thanks

Janet

NO!!!  We never heard from Kurtis again after they returned from Aruba in January 2008.

Not even when I emailed them in September, after Kyle told us Schaefer had sold the footage, following which we learned their show was going to air.  That email was an attempt to find out if they were the ones who had putchased the footage, but like I said - no response from them.

And I probably could have worded that better with "their show that aired last September" rather than saying "the first show".

I was just trying to make the distinction between the one that aired, and the one that got flushed as 'show 1' and 'show 2'

Trying to make the distinction that the only thing we helped them with was that first show that aired in September.

I see now that I didn't do a very good job of that.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 13, 2009, 09:11:51 PM
Lou

The planned trip to Chicago in February, 2008 to be interview by Kurtis Productions had nothing to do with Kyle Kingman, John Silvetti, Tim Trahan or Louis Schaefer.  It had everything to do with the suspects who participated in the events that encompassed the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... the corrupt investigation that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since the getgo.

At that period in time Kyle Kingman was not a Natalee's Freebird and ... he had yet to submit one post exposing the John Silvetti deception.

Get it!!  Nothing to do with the Persistence undertaking.

Janet

+++++++++


Quote from: ldstlou on Today at 12:31:49 pm

Has all of the discussion on the cage been about Natalee at all?
I don't think so, I think it is about a few people who felt jilted by the members of the Persistence and Kurtis productions because they did not get their 15 minutes of fame and glory, nor their trip to the windy city.

You will never know how this breaks my heart. The members of SM who were bashed and throw under a bus repeatedly..why? For a missed trip to Chicago and a few seconds on television.

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.45

 

Jen ... The "first part" of the documentary ... the September, 2008 airing ... covered the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  Were you (Natalee's Freebirds) involved with Kurtis Production regarding the the ocean search?

Thanks

Janet

NO!!!  We never heard from Kurtis again after they returned from Aruba in January 2008.

Not even when I emailed them in September, after Kyle told us Schaefer had sold the footage, following which we learned their show was going to air.  That email was an attempt to find out if they were the ones who had putchased the footage, but like I said - no response from them.

And I probably could have worded that better with "their show that aired last September" rather than saying "the first show".

I was just trying to make the distinction between the one that aired, and the one that got flushed as 'show 1' and 'show 2'

Trying to make the distinction that the only thing we helped them with was that first show that aired in September.

I see now that I didn't do a very good job of that.  ::MonkeyConfused::

I say ig a nor.....from the little I have read here about Chicago, it was always about Natalee, and if questions were raised here today, again, it was for Natalee.  Seems like someone is trying to make it about herself and others.  same-o, same-o.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 13, 2009, 09:16:34 PM
Lou

The planned trip to Chicago in February, 2008 to be interview by Kurtis Productions had nothing to do with Kyle Kingman, John Silvetti, Tim Trahan or Louis Schaefer.  It had everything to do with the suspects who participated in the events that encompassed the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... the corrupt investigation that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since the getgo.

At that period in time Kyle Kingman was not a Natalee's Freebird and ... he had yet to submit one post exposing the John Silvetti deception.

Get it!!  Nothing to do with the Persistence undertaking.

Janet

+++++++++


Quote from: ldstlou on Today at 12:31:49 pm

Has all of the discussion on the cage been about Natalee at all?
I don't think so, I think it is about a few people who felt jilted by the members of the Persistence and Kurtis productions because they did not get their 15 minutes of fame and glory, nor their trip to the windy city.

You will never know how this breaks my heart. The members of SM who were bashed and throw under a bus repeatedly..why? For a missed trip to Chicago and a few seconds on television.

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.45

 

Jen ... The "first part" of the documentary ... the September, 2008 airing ... covered the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  Were you (Natalee's Freebirds) involved with Kurtis Production regarding the the ocean search?

Thanks

Janet

NO!!!  We never heard from Kurtis again after they returned from Aruba in January 2008.

Not even when I emailed them in September, after Kyle told us Schaefer had sold the footage, following which we learned their show was going to air.  That email was an attempt to find out if they were the ones who had putchased the footage, but like I said - no response from them.

And I probably could have worded that better with "their show that aired last September" rather than saying "the first show".

I was just trying to make the distinction between the one that aired, and the one that got flushed as 'show 1' and 'show 2'

Trying to make the distinction that the only thing we helped them with was that first show that aired in September.

I see now that I didn't do a very good job of that.  ::MonkeyConfused::

That post made me so angry that I have had to stay quiet all day!!!
There isn't a word of truth in it.  The way she twists things is just awful! ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 09:24:31 PM
Lou was one of my favorite people prior to the pexposure of Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the happenings encompassing the recover process that involved only the Arubans.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Natalee Holloway and her long suffering family have taken a backseat in her quest to protect Kyle Kingman and John Silvetti.

I do not think for a moment that she would be disregarding Kyle Kingman's own words that expose the betrayal of John Silvetti if there was possibility that the remains of her precious beloved was in that trap.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2009, 09:25:58 PM
You know I'm reading over at GM and shaking my head.  Not just at what ldstlou posted but at what they are doing. 

It appears they are going over Shango stuff again.  My question is, I thought Capslock solved the riddle?  What happened to Caps witness?  Seems to me everyone now posting at GM is starting from scratch to include Johan posting photos of Joran and Michael with the belt around Michaels neck, OLD CRAP from nearly 4 years ago.  WTF? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 13, 2009, 09:27:13 PM
Hi Guys,
I thought you all would like to know this
Dave & Robin Holloway's 10 yr. old daughter was injured in a fall from the monkey bars at school earlier this week. She was briefly unconscious & x-rays revealed 2 fractured vertebrae in her back. She is currently in a hospital in Jackson, MS. My granddaughter goes to the same school & this was announced to the students. Please keep the Holloway's in your thoughts & prayers. Monken

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Thanks for letting us know Monken!  I will keep them all in my prayers.  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2009, 09:27:53 PM
You know I'm reading over at GM and shaking my head.  Not just at what ldstlou posted but at what they are doing. 

It appears they are going over Shango stuff again.  My question is, I thought Capslock solved the riddle?  What happened to Caps witness?  Seems to me everyone now posting at GM is starting from scratch to include Johan posting photos of Joran and Michael with the belt around Michaels neck, OLD CRAP from nearly 4 years ago.  WTF? 

WHICH IS ANOTHER THING.  IF we believe the last posts of Capslock at SM then why on earth would the Persistence be going back to Aruba to search the ocean?

Again...I thought Capslock solved the riddle?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 09:30:24 PM
You know I'm reading over at GM and shaking my head.  Not just at what ldstlou posted but at what they are doing. 

It appears they are going over Shango stuff again.  My question is, I thought Capslock solved the riddle?  What happened to Caps witness?  Seems to me everyone now posting at GM is starting from scratch to include Johan posting photos of Joran and Michael with the belt around Michaels neck, OLD CRAP from nearly 4 years ago.  WTF? 

WHICH IS ANOTHER THING.  IF we believe the last posts of Capslock at SM then why on earth would the Persistence be going back to Aruba to search the ocean?

Again...I thought Capslock solved the riddle?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wingnut on March 13, 2009, 09:31:06 PM
Thank you, Janet.  As always, you have the patience of a Saint.  Lou hates what is discussed here, yet she can't stay away.

Clarifying my Bill Kurtis comment:  I do feel that he has had a sterling reputation.  The Freebirds were astonished when the documentary aired and there was NO mention of the Persistence and the trap.  While Kurtis DID come before Kyle for the Freebirds, by the time it aired we were aware of the trap and its contents.  And we knew that Kurtis and his researchers had contacted the Persistence crew, so it was a huge WTF while we were watching it.  We kept waiting and waiting and......nothing


Oh, and  ::MonkeyTongue:: back at ya!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 13, 2009, 09:31:42 PM
You know I'm reading over at GM and shaking my head.  Not just at what ldstlou posted but at what they are doing. 

It appears they are going over Shango stuff again.  My question is, I thought Capslock solved the riddle?  What happened to Caps witness?  Seems to me everyone now posting at GM is starting from scratch to include Johan posting photos of Joran and Michael with the belt around Michaels neck, OLD CRAP from nearly 4 years ago.  WTF? 

WHICH IS ANOTHER THING.  IF we believe the last posts of Capslock at SM then why on earth would the Persistence be going back to Aruba to search the ocean?

Again...I thought Capslock solved the riddle?

IIRC, Kyle did too.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 13, 2009, 09:33:14 PM
You know I'm reading over at GM and shaking my head.  Not just at what ldstlou posted but at what they are doing. 

It appears they are going over Shango stuff again.  My question is, I thought Capslock solved the riddle?  What happened to Caps witness?  Seems to me everyone now posting at GM is starting from scratch to include Johan posting photos of Joran and Michael with the belt around Michaels neck, OLD CRAP from nearly 4 years ago.  WTF? 

What has become of that sage CapsLockWizzard?  Is he still posting somewhere or has he faded
into the sunset?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 13, 2009, 09:35:46 PM
Hi Guys,
I thought you all would like to know this
Dave & Robin Holloway's 10 yr. old daughter was injured in a fall from the monkey bars at school earlier this week. She was briefly unconscious & x-rays revealed 2 fractured vertebrae in her back. She is currently in a hospital in Jackson, MS. My granddaughter goes to the same school & this was announced to the students. Please keep the Holloway's in your thoughts & prayers. Monken
Thank-you for the news, Monken -- so sorry to hear that. I'm not sure I even recall they had a young daughter! I'm also sorry to hear it happened on "monkey bars" - we'll probably get blamed at SM.


You're Welcome everyone!
Wreck, actually they have 2 daughters, the youngest I believe is in kindergarten. Earlier this school year I saw them both, and as they walked past my car I couldn't believe how much the 10 yr. old looks like Natalee!  It just blew me away!

I'll update when I know more!

Thanks Monken, I hope and pray she is o.k.
I am glad to hear Dave has a little Natalee.  I know he will treasure her as he always has Natalee.  He is a good Dad.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 09:35:48 PM
Thank you, Janet.  As always, you have the patience of a Saint.  Lou hates what is discussed here, yet she can't stay away.

Clarifying my Bill Kurtis comment:  I do feel that he has had a sterling reputation.  The Freebirds were astonished when the documentary aired and there was NO mention of the Persistence and the trap.  While Kurtis DID come before Kyle for the Freebirds, by the time it aired we were aware of the trap and its contents.  And we knew that Kurtis and his researchers had contacted the Persistence crew, so it was a huge WTF while we were watching it.  We kept waiting and waiting and......nothing


Oh, and  ::MonkeyTongue:: back at ya!

Wingnut ... thank you for clarifying.

I flew the coop prior to Kyle Kingman becoming a Natalee's Freebird and began submitting posts to the site.

Thanks again.

Janet

(Edit: typo)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2009, 09:36:07 PM
You know I'm reading over at GM and shaking my head.  Not just at what ldstlou posted but at what they are doing. 

It appears they are going over Shango stuff again.  My question is, I thought Capslock solved the riddle?  What happened to Caps witness?  Seems to me everyone now posting at GM is starting from scratch to include Johan posting photos of Joran and Michael with the belt around Michaels neck, OLD CRAP from nearly 4 years ago.  WTF? 

What has become of that sage CapsLockWizzard?  Is he still posting somewhere or has he faded
into the sunset?

Last I heard he went over to CnG but I don't think he posted much there.  If he's posting elsewhere it's under a different name or on a "private" site. 

My guess is that he faded into the sunset.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 09:36:53 PM
Thank you, Janet.  As always, you have the patience of a Saint.  Lou hates what is discussed here, yet she can't stay away.

Clarifying my Bill Kurtis comment:  I do feel that he has had a sterling reputation.  The Freebirds were astonished when the documentary aired and there was NO mention of the Persistence and the trap.  While Kurtis DID come before Kyle for the Freebirds, by the time it aired we were aware of the trap and its contents.  And we knew that Kurtis and his researchers had contacted the Persistence crew, so it was a huge WTF while we were watching it.  We kept waiting and waiting and......nothing


Oh, and  ::MonkeyTongue:: back at ya!

Wingnut ... thank you for clarifying.

I flew the coop prior to Kyle Kingman becoming a Natalee's Freebird and began submitting posts to the site.

Thanks again.

Janet

EDIT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2009, 09:38:01 PM
Maybe they'll send BTgirl or Sam over to explain what happened to Caps   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Gold Monkey Chat Bar 6 Users Active:
 Carnut, Lalas, SunFreak, Sam, BTButt, CP,


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 13, 2009, 09:40:23 PM
You know I'm reading over at GM and shaking my head.  Not just at what ldstlou posted but at what they are doing. 

It appears they are going over Shango stuff again.  My question is, I thought Capslock solved the riddle?  What happened to Caps witness?  Seems to me everyone now posting at GM is starting from scratch to include Johan posting photos of Joran and Michael with the belt around Michaels neck, OLD CRAP from nearly 4 years ago.  WTF? 

What has become of that sage CapsLockWizzard?  Is he still posting somewhere or has he faded
into the sunset?

Last I heard he went over to CnG but I don't think he posted much there.  If he's posting elsewhere it's under a different name or on a "private" site. 

My guess is that he faded into the sunset.

They are going over the Shango/Simian stuff, but they never mention Caps.  I believe he has faded away too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 13, 2009, 09:43:15 PM
You know I'm reading over at GM and shaking my head.  Not just at what ldstlou posted but at what they are doing. 

It appears they are going over Shango stuff again.  My question is, I thought Capslock solved the riddle?  What happened to Caps witness?  Seems to me everyone now posting at GM is starting from scratch to include Johan posting photos of Joran and Michael with the belt around Michaels neck, OLD CRAP from nearly 4 years ago.  WTF? 


What has become of that sage CapsLockWizzard?  Is he still posting somewhere or has he faded
into the sunset?

Last I heard he went over to CnG but I don't think he posted much there.  If he's posting elsewhere it's under a different name or on a "private" site. 

My guess is that he faded into the sunset.

They are going over the Shango/Simian stuff, but they never mention Caps.  I believe he has faded away too.

If he is a man he would not have lasted long with that bunch of "chatty" "nosey" women.  Oh, JMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2009, 09:43:51 PM
By the way, neither Lala's or Capslock are banned from SM so they could explain if they chose to  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 13, 2009, 09:46:15 PM
You know I'm reading over at GM and shaking my head.  Not just at what ldstlou posted but at what they are doing. 

It appears they are going over Shango stuff again.  My question is, I thought Capslock solved the riddle?  What happened to Caps witness?  Seems to me everyone now posting at GM is starting from scratch to include Johan posting photos of Joran and Michael with the belt around Michaels neck, OLD CRAP from nearly 4 years ago.  WTF? 


What has become of that sage CapsLockWizzard?  Is he still posting somewhere or has he faded
into the sunset?

Last I heard he went over to CnG but I don't think he posted much there.  If he's posting elsewhere it's under a different name or on a "private" site. 

My guess is that he faded into the sunset.

They are going over the Shango/Simian stuff, but they never mention Caps.  I believe he has faded away too.

If he is a man he would not have lasted long with that bunch of "chatty" "nosey" women.  Oh, JMO.

I can think of another word for that. ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 13, 2009, 09:47:01 PM
You know I'm reading over at GM and shaking my head.  Not just at what ldstlou posted but at what they are doing. 

It appears they are going over Shango stuff again.  My question is, I thought Capslock solved the riddle?  What happened to Caps witness?  Seems to me everyone now posting at GM is starting from scratch to include Johan posting photos of Joran and Michael with the belt around Michaels neck, OLD CRAP from nearly 4 years ago.  WTF? 

What has become of that sage CapsLockWizzard?  Is he still posting somewhere or has he faded
into the sunset?

Last I heard he went over to CnG but I don't think he posted much there.  If he's posting elsewhere it's under a different name or on a "private" site. 

My guess is that he faded into the sunset.

OR stuck in one of the secret dungeons..er..I mean Hidey Holes ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2009, 09:56:43 PM
Next we'll see the newest registered member of Goldmonkeys is.....Capslockwizard  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

and a thread that says...

Welcome Capslock, hope to see you in chat  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 13, 2009, 10:03:18 PM
Next we'll see the newest registered member of Goldmonkeys is.....Capslockwizard  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

and a thread that says...

Welcome Capslock, hope to see you in chat  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Don't forget he was endangered here (SS)....If he shows up there, we will know he's still safe.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 13, 2009, 10:03:18 PM
Next we'll see the newest registered member of Goldmonkeys is.....Capslockwizard  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

and a thread that says...

Welcome Capslock, hope to see you in chat  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 13, 2009, 10:08:52 PM
YOu know, I am almost embarassed for them at GM with all that childish nonsense posted on that front page.
*notice: I said ALMOST!

But the thought does strike me that this is nothing but a Pi*sing contest for some of them. Natalee has been long lost in their hatefulness.
I honestly do NOT understand this at all.

If they disagree with something, why not just disagree and move on?
Do they know how hateful and insane they appear to anyone that happens to see that crap?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 13, 2009, 10:14:45 PM
YOu know, I am almost embarassed for them at GM with all that childish nonsense posted on that front page.
*notice: I said ALMOST!

But the thought does strike me that this is nothing but a Pi*sing contest for some of them. Natalee has been long lost in their hatefulness.
I honestly do NOT understand this at all.

If they disagree with something, why not just disagree and move on?
Do they know how hateful and insane they appear to anyone that happens to see that crap?

That's why I posted to Janet to ignore it.  I agree, Artcolley.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 10:18:38 PM
Next we'll see the newest registered member of Goldmonkeys is.....Capslockwizard  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

and a thread that says...

Welcome Capslock, hope to see you in chat  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Don't forget he was endangered here (SS)....If he shows up there, we will know he's still safe.   ::MonkeyWink::


Edward
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
« Reply #796 on: March 09, 2009, 02:41:48 PM »


An elite corps of combat troops (SS is short for Schutzstaffel, which is German for “protective shield”) formed originally within the German Nazi party as a bodyguard for Adolf Hitler and other Nazi leaders and led by Heinrich Himmler. During the 1930s, Hitler steadily expanded the responsibilities of the SS to include the suppression of his political opponents within Germany and the persecution of the Jews. The SS supervised the concentration camps.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4633.msg710862#msg710862



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 10:21:58 PM
YOu know, I am almost embarassed for them at GM with all that childish nonsense posted on that front page.
*notice: I said ALMOST!

But the thought does strike me that this is nothing but a Pi*sing contest for some of them. Natalee has been long lost in their hatefulness.
I honestly do NOT understand this at all.

If they disagree with something, why not just disagree and move on?
Do they know how hateful and insane they appear to anyone that happens to see that crap?

That's why I posted to Janet to ignore it.  I agree, Artcolley.

I promise myself that I will not go over there but ... then I break that promise to myself.

Something akin to promising Klaas and the mods I will not bother them again in regards to editing and deleteing my posts.

I am always breaking promises.  I am sooo baaad.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2009, 10:23:03 PM
FWIW - I really do believe that SS's initials have more to do with his/her real name than anything like Schutzstaffel.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 13, 2009, 10:26:59 PM
FWIW - I really do believe that SS's initials have more to do with his/her real name than anything like Schutzstaffel.

I agree, with no knowledge whatsoever.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 13, 2009, 10:27:49 PM
FWIW - I really do believe that SS's initials have more to do with his/her real name than anything like Schutzstaffel.
That is what I was thinking too!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 13, 2009, 10:30:49 PM
The SM forum "join date" of some of these people has always intrigued me!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 13, 2009, 10:31:50 PM
FWIW - I really do believe that SS's initials have more to do with his/her real name than anything like Schutzstaffel.

I believe that too.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 13, 2009, 10:33:16 PM


Any word on BFN?  The forum is still down.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 10:35:26 PM
FWIW - I really do believe that SS's initials have more to do with his/her real name than anything like Schutzstaffel.

Klaas ... you are most likely right.

When I read Edward's post the other day ... I reflected on SS's unwaving support for CAPS' despite his changing theories, flawed research and predictions that are never fulfilled.

The only reason I posted that quote was to be mean.  Payback for cruelly mimicing my writing style on GM last week.

I could not fathom what my writing style had to do with the topic of CAPS ... the topic of the Persistence.  The words "I do not agree with your position Janet because ...." would suffice.

Obviously ... I do not always walk the walk.

Janet

++++++

Edward
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
« Reply #796 on: March 09, 2009, 02:41:48 PM »


An elite corps of combat troops (SS is short for Schutzstaffel, which is German for “protective shield”) formed originally within the German Nazi party as a bodyguard for Adolf Hitler and other Nazi leaders and led by Heinrich Himmler. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4633.msg710862#msg710862


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 13, 2009, 10:36:27 PM
FWIW - I really do believe that SS's initials have more to do with his/her real name than anything like Schutzstaffel.

I believe that too.   ::MonkeyCool::

She used  SES the other day so that Bastibro (i think) would recognize her.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 13, 2009, 10:36:59 PM
FWIW - I really do believe that SS's initials have more to do with his/her real name than anything like Schutzstaffel.
That is what I was thinking too!  ::MonkeyWink::


I can accept initials.  My thoughts had actually been more along the lines of the "SS Minnow" for example, or you know, the "SS Something".   


Hi everyone!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2009, 10:40:12 PM


Any word on BFN?  The forum is still down.

BFN is still down.  I believe what I read is that Ian is going to move it to a new server or something. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 13, 2009, 10:40:28 PM
Janet,

You wanted to be mean?     ::MonkeyShocked::    Get that hidey bag out!

Goodnight, all....see you later.

ABC news is supposed to have a little something on Sean Goldman case tonight.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 10:41:13 PM
FWIW - I really do believe that SS's initials have more to do with his/her real name than anything like Schutzstaffel.
That is what I was thinking too!  ::MonkeyWink::


I can accept initials.  My thoughts had actually been more along the lines of the "SS Minnow" for example, or you know, the "SS Something".   


Hi everyone!

Hi Lifesong

Today ... I was reading your timeline and your updates.

It is unbelieveable.

Thank you.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 13, 2009, 10:42:10 PM


Any word on BFN?  The forum is still down.

BFN is still down.  I believe what I read is that Ian is going to move it to a new server or something. 

Thanks Klaas!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 13, 2009, 10:53:11 PM
FWIW - I really do believe that SS's initials have more to do with his/her real name than anything like Schutzstaffel.
That is what I was thinking too!  ::MonkeyWink::


I can accept initials.  My thoughts had actually been more along the lines of the "SS Minnow" for example, or you know, the "SS Something".   


Hi everyone!

Hi Lifesong

Today ... I was reading your timeline and your updates.

It is unbelieveable.

Thank you.

Janet

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Thanks, Janet!  It'll get better, I hope.  Right now I think we're still in the throw it all upgainst the wall and see what sticks phase.

Speaking of which, I sat down to read the timeline this evening.  I got to Jan. 7th (which is about as far as I usually get) when I had a thought....I wonder what the effects of saltwater on denim are?  Rule in or out the possibility of denim remaining that pliable and unfaded and we're one step closer...

So, I set out to find out.  I now know the difference between the fabrics in a stretch denim skirt and a denim skirt, I've learned about the properties of spandex, and I could describe how PBT, polybutylene terephthalate, a component of spandex is resistant to salt water, and that most stretch denim skirts that I can find contain approx. 1% to 2% spandex.

I cannot tell you how much PBT is in spandex, nor what % of PBT would be required to protect the denim.

 ::MonkeyEek::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 11:01:50 PM
FWIW - I really do believe that SS's initials have more to do with his/her real name than anything like Schutzstaffel.
That is what I was thinking too!  ::MonkeyWink::


I can accept initials.  My thoughts had actually been more along the lines of the "SS Minnow" for example, or you know, the "SS Something".   


Hi everyone!

Hi Lifesong

Today ... I was reading your timeline and your updates.

It is unbelieveable.

Thank you.

Janet

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Thanks, Janet!  It'll get better, I hope.  Right now I think we're still in the throw it all upgainst the wall and see what sticks phase.

Speaking of which, I sat down to read the timeline this evening.  I got to Jan. 7th (which is about as far as I usually get) when I had a thought....I wonder what the effects of saltwater on denim are?  Rule in or out the possibility of denim remaining that pliable and unfaded and we're one step closer...

So, I set out to find out.  I now know the difference between the fabrics in a stretch denim skirt and a denim skirt, I've learned about the properties of spandex, and I could describe how PBT, polybutylene terephthalate, a component of spandex is resistant to salt water, and that most stretch denim skirts that I can find contain approx. 1% to 2% spandex.

I cannot tell you how much PBT is in spandex, nor what % of PBT would be required to protect the denim.

 ::MonkeyEek::




SM has a fashion thread.  Monkeys who post on this thread have an indepth knowledge of fabrics.  Maybe they could help you.

Janet

++++++

Fashion and Decorating

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=43.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 13, 2009, 11:04:34 PM
Lou

The planned trip to Chicago in February, 2008 to be interview by Kurtis Productions had nothing to do with Kyle Kingman, John Silvetti, Tim Trahan or Louis Schaefer.  It had everything to do with the suspects who participated in the events that encompassed the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... the corrupt investigation that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since the getgo.

At that period in time Kyle Kingman was not a Natalee's Freebird and ... he had yet to submit one post exposing the John Silvetti deception.

Get it!!  Nothing to do with the Persistence undertaking.

Janet

+++++++++


Quote from: ldstlou on Today at 12:31:49 pm

Has all of the discussion on the cage been about Natalee at all?
I don't think so, I think it is about a few people who felt jilted by the members of the Persistence and Kurtis productions because they did not get their 15 minutes of fame and glory, nor their trip to the windy city.

You will never know how this breaks my heart. The members of SM who were bashed and throw under a bus repeatedly..why? For a missed trip to Chicago and a few seconds on television.

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.45

 



Oh, GMAB!

How can this person twist everything she reads like this?

The reading comprehension problem is no joke!  What a disgusting display of twisting something into an outright lie.

This is almost as bad as her telling Jug SM was saying the family recovered the remains and kept it a secret when not one person even suggested or likely thought any such thing.  Except HER, of course.

And like HotShot, she seems fixated on "glory" and it is always about her and how she feels about something or other that she has twisted beyond recognition in a lame attempt to vilify SM!

People who can't even read should just keep their traps shut.

IMO.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: San on March 13, 2009, 11:05:14 PM
You know I'm reading over at GM and shaking my head.  Not just at what ldstlou posted but at what they are doing. 

It appears they are going over Shango stuff again.  My question is, I thought Capslock solved the riddle?  What happened to Caps witness?  Seems to me everyone now posting at GM is starting from scratch to include Johan posting photos of Joran and Michael with the belt around Michaels neck, OLD CRAP from nearly 4 years ago.  WTF? 

WHICH IS ANOTHER THING.  IF we believe the last posts of Capslock at SM then why on earth would the Persistence be going back to Aruba to search the ocean?

Again...I thought Capslock solved the riddle?

Don't you know you shouldn't question the great Oz.  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 13, 2009, 11:07:14 PM
I wonder how like a skirt underwater for three years a pair of very worn and faded jeans would be.

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 13, 2009, 11:09:29 PM
...Oh them BrassMonkey's..They sure as h-ll ain't Gold..Period! ::MonkeyNoNo:: I refer to them as BrassMonkey's. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 13, 2009, 11:10:35 PM
The SM forum "join date" of some of these people has always intrigued me!


It has me, too, Wreck.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 13, 2009, 11:12:03 PM
...Oh them BrassMonkey's..They sure as h-ll ain't Gold..Period! ::MonkeyNoNo:: I refer to them as BrassMonkey's. ::MonkeyCool::

I was wondering where you were KTF!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 13, 2009, 11:13:19 PM
...Oh them BrassMonkey's..They sure as h-ll ain't Gold..Period! ::MonkeyNoNo:: I refer to them as BrassMonkey's. ::MonkeyCool::


Very tarnished brass at that.  I love it when they pretend they were the ones bashed instead of the ones doing the bashing and attacking and demanding personal information and stalking children, etc. too


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 13, 2009, 11:14:41 PM
...Oh them BrassMonkey's..They sure as h-ll ain't Gold..Period! ::MonkeyNoNo:: I refer to them as BrassMonkey's. ::MonkeyCool::

I was wondering where you were KTF!   ::MonkeyDance::

Watching my Huskies get beat by ASU in the Pac-10 tourney.It sucks but,sometimes is better to get rest before the NCAA tournament!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 11:14:44 PM
...Oh them BrassMonkey's..They sure as h-ll ain't Gold..Period! ::MonkeyNoNo:: I refer to them as BrassMonkey's. ::MonkeyCool::

Does brass tarnish?

Hi Keepthefaith.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 13, 2009, 11:15:55 PM
I wonder how like a skirt underwater for three years a pair of very worn and faded jeans would be.

 ::MonkeyEek::
A word of caution about judging colors from a photograph. If you have ever looked at pics from a "security" camera, you will note that colors are extremely "enhanced" (much brighter than with the naked eye) -- this is to really hi-lite colors for identification purposes. I would guess that underwater cameras would use that same type of color enhancement.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 13, 2009, 11:16:30 PM
...Oh them BrassMonkey's..They sure as h-ll ain't Gold..Period! ::MonkeyNoNo:: I refer to them as BrassMonkey's. ::MonkeyCool::


Very tarnished brass at that.  I love it when they pretend they were the ones bashed instead of the ones doing the bashing and attacking and demanding personal information and stalking children, etc. too

As Wreck said many moons ago!BRING IT..Johan555,Bastibro,Lala's,CapsLockWizard,Kyle!None of ya'll are banned.What are you scared of.I THINK THE TRUTH! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 11:17:53 PM
Anna

The saying goes "minds thing alike."  Hi Five.

The saying also goes "fools seldom differ".  However ... we will disregard that saying.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 13, 2009, 11:18:07 PM
...Oh them BrassMonkey's..They sure as h-ll ain't Gold..Period! ::MonkeyNoNo:: I refer to them as BrassMonkey's. ::MonkeyCool::

Does brass tarnish?

Hi Keepthefaith.

Janet

Salt water is very corrosive to brass, aluminum...   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 13, 2009, 11:18:57 PM
You know I'm reading over at GM and shaking my head.  Not just at what ldstlou posted but at what they are doing. 

It appears they are going over Shango stuff again.  My question is, I thought Capslock solved the riddle?  What happened to Caps witness?  Seems to me everyone now posting at GM is starting from scratch to include Johan posting photos of Joran and Michael with the belt around Michaels neck, OLD CRAP from nearly 4 years ago.  WTF? 

WHICH IS ANOTHER THING.  IF we believe the last posts of Capslock at SM then why on earth would the Persistence be going back to Aruba to search the ocean?

Again...I thought Capslock solved the riddle?

Don't you know you shouldn't question the great Oz.  ::MonkeyRoll::

ROFLMAO  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 13, 2009, 11:20:13 PM
...Oh them BrassMonkey's..They sure as h-ll ain't Gold..Period! ::MonkeyNoNo:: I refer to them as BrassMonkey's. ::MonkeyCool::

Does brass tarnish?

Hi Keepthefaith.

Janet

It does Janet,as i'm sure you know.Brass,sure isn't Gold though... ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 13, 2009, 11:21:42 PM
...Oh them BrassMonkey's..They sure as h-ll ain't Gold..Period! ::MonkeyNoNo:: I refer to them as BrassMonkey's. ::MonkeyCool::


Very tarnished brass at that.  I love it when they pretend they were the ones bashed instead of the ones doing the bashing and attacking and demanding personal information and stalking children, etc. too

As Wreck said many moons ago!BRING IT..Johan555,Bastibro,Lala's,CapsLockWizard,Kyle!None of ya'll are banned.What are you scared of.I THINK THE TRUTH! ::MonkeyWink::
It wasn't THAT many moons ago!!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 13, 2009, 11:24:36 PM
...Oh them BrassMonkey's..They sure as h-ll ain't Gold..Period! ::MonkeyNoNo:: I refer to them as BrassMonkey's. ::MonkeyCool::

Does brass tarnish?

Hi Keepthefaith.

Janet

Salt water is very corrosive to brass, aluminum...   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::




Apparently, so is the TRUTH!


.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 11:26:30 PM
...Oh them BrassMonkey's..They sure as h-ll ain't Gold..Period! ::MonkeyNoNo:: I refer to them as BrassMonkey's. ::MonkeyCool::

I was wondering where you were KTF!   ::MonkeyDance::

Watching my Huskies get beat by ASU in the Pac-10 tourney.It sucks but,sometimes is better to get rest before the NCAA tournament!

Maybe you had better not watch your Thunderbirds when they are playing against the Canucks.

Rest instead.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 13, 2009, 11:27:03 PM
...Oh them BrassMonkey's..They sure as h-ll ain't Gold..Period! ::MonkeyNoNo:: I refer to them as BrassMonkey's. ::MonkeyCool::


Very tarnished brass at that.  I love it when they pretend they were the ones bashed instead of the ones doing the bashing and attacking and demanding personal information and stalking children, etc. too

As Wreck said many moons ago!BRING IT..Johan555,Bastibro,Lala's,CapsLockWizard,Kyle!None of ya'll are banned.What are you scared of.I THINK THE TRUTH! ::MonkeyWink::
It wasn't THAT many moons ago!!!  ::MonkeyCool::

No it wasn't Wreck but,Things like that need to be said more often!4yrs.Way to much B.S. has been thrown Natalee Holloway's way.I,for one,have had enough of the BrassMonkey crew and there antics..Absolutely a disgrace..JMOO ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 13, 2009, 11:28:47 PM
KTF,

Remember, there's a reason they call it March Madness!  My oldest son always managed to finish the month of March with totally glazed eyes and drastic weight loss from too much basketball game watching!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 11:30:38 PM
mytime!!!

Meet ya in Musing.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 13, 2009, 11:32:40 PM
...Oh them BrassMonkey's..They sure as h-ll ain't Gold..Period! ::MonkeyNoNo:: I refer to them as BrassMonkey's. ::MonkeyCool::


Very tarnished brass at that.  I love it when they pretend they were the ones bashed instead of the ones doing the bashing and attacking and demanding personal information and stalking children, etc. too

As Wreck said many moons ago!BRING IT..Johan555,Bastibro,Lala's,CapsLockWizard,Kyle!None of ya'll are banned.What are you scared of.I THINK THE TRUTH! ::MonkeyWink::
It wasn't THAT many moons ago!!!  ::MonkeyCool::

No it wasn't Wreck but,Things like that need to be said more often!4yrs.Way to much B.S. has been thrown Natalee Holloway's way.I,for one,have had enough of the BrassMonkey crew and there antics..Absolutely a disgrace..JMOO ::MonkeyNoNo::
Absolutely true -- but since I have never gone over there -- I don't get too worked up over a bunch of sniveling cowards/fools.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 13, 2009, 11:33:05 PM
...Oh them BrassMonkey's..They sure as h-ll ain't Gold..Period! ::MonkeyNoNo:: I refer to them as BrassMonkey's. ::MonkeyCool::

I was wondering where you were KTF!   ::MonkeyDance::

Watching my Huskies get beat by ASU in the Pac-10 tourney.It sucks but,sometimes is better to get rest before the NCAA tournament!

Maybe you had better not watch your Thunderbirds when they are playing against the Canucks.

Rest instead.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

Have many Silvertip players that have frequented the store Janet!If your a Hockey fan i'm sure Kyle Beach would ring a bell!On another sad note Jordan Mistlebacher has came into the store.Very good friends with a former employee of mine.Very sad story he passed away so young..Sure your aware of the story.If not here's a link..Back on topic!

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/death_linked_to_alcohol.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 11:33:05 PM
mytime!!!

Meet ya in Musing.

Janet

Tap Tap Tap


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 13, 2009, 11:33:58 PM
You know I'm reading over at GM and shaking my head.  Not just at what ldstlou posted but at what they are doing. 

It appears they are going over Shango stuff again.  My question is, I thought Capslock solved the riddle?  What happened to Caps witness?  Seems to me everyone now posting at GM is starting from scratch to include Johan posting photos of Joran and Michael with the belt around Michaels neck, OLD CRAP from nearly 4 years ago.  WTF? 

WHICH IS ANOTHER THING.  IF we believe the last posts of Capslock at SM then why on earth would the Persistence be going back to Aruba to search the ocean?

Again...I thought Capslock solved the riddle?

Don't you know you shouldn't question the great Oz.  ::MonkeyRoll::

ROFLMAO  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Yep, he broke the code and all Dave had to do was come down and claim the body.  Only problem was he gave at least half a dozen places that it definitely was!

And what ever happened to that arrest that was imminent, anyway?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 11:36:37 PM
You know I'm reading over at GM and shaking my head.  Not just at what ldstlou posted but at what they are doing. 

It appears they are going over Shango stuff again.  My question is, I thought Capslock solved the riddle?  What happened to Caps witness?  Seems to me everyone now posting at GM is starting from scratch to include Johan posting photos of Joran and Michael with the belt around Michaels neck, OLD CRAP from nearly 4 years ago.  WTF? 

WHICH IS ANOTHER THING.  IF we believe the last posts of Capslock at SM then why on earth would the Persistence be going back to Aruba to search the ocean?

Again...I thought Capslock solved the riddle?

Don't you know you shouldn't question the great Oz.  ::MonkeyRoll::

ROFLMAO  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Yep, he broke the code and all Dave had to do was come down and claim the body.  Only problem was he gave at least half a dozen places that it definitely was!

And what ever happened to that arrest that was imminent, anyway?



It does not matter.  CAPS adherences will follow him no matter what.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 13, 2009, 11:36:57 PM
KTF -- if it's not too personal (or revealing of your identity) -- what kind of store do you have?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 13, 2009, 11:38:25 PM
You know I'm reading over at GM and shaking my head.  Not just at what ldstlou posted but at what they are doing. 

It appears they are going over Shango stuff again.  My question is, I thought Capslock solved the riddle?  What happened to Caps witness?  Seems to me everyone now posting at GM is starting from scratch to include Johan posting photos of Joran and Michael with the belt around Michaels neck, OLD CRAP from nearly 4 years ago.  WTF? 

WHICH IS ANOTHER THING.  IF we believe the last posts of Capslock at SM then why on earth would the Persistence be going back to Aruba to search the ocean?

Again...I thought Capslock solved the riddle?

Don't you know you shouldn't question the great Oz.  ::MonkeyRoll::

ROFLMAO  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Yep, he broke the code and all Dave had to do was come down and claim the body.  Only problem was he gave at least half a dozen places that it definitely was!

And what ever happened to that arrest that was imminent, anyway?



It does not matter.  CAPS adherences will follow him no matter what.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Or as a certain former monkey used to post, it is a "mute point" instead of "moot point." 

That used to just drive me totally batty!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 13, 2009, 11:40:03 PM
...Oh them BrassMonkey's..They sure as h-ll ain't Gold..Period! ::MonkeyNoNo:: I refer to them as BrassMonkey's. ::MonkeyCool::


Very tarnished brass at that.  I love it when they pretend they were the ones bashed instead of the ones doing the bashing and attacking and demanding personal information and stalking children, etc. too

As Wreck said many moons ago!BRING IT..Johan555,Bastibro,Lala's,CapsLockWizard,Kyle!None of ya'll are banned.What are you scared of.I THINK THE TRUTH! ::MonkeyWink::
It wasn't THAT many moons ago!!!  ::MonkeyCool::

Please don't use Moon in vain.    ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 13, 2009, 11:42:32 PM
KTF -- if it's not too personal (or revealing of your identity) -- what kind of store do you have?

Not that i would care to tell you Wreck but,who knows what others would do?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 13, 2009, 11:42:51 PM
...Oh them BrassMonkey's..They sure as h-ll ain't Gold..Period! ::MonkeyNoNo:: I refer to them as BrassMonkey's. ::MonkeyCool::


Very tarnished brass at that.  I love it when they pretend they were the ones bashed instead of the ones doing the bashing and attacking and demanding personal information and stalking children, etc. too

As Wreck said many moons ago!BRING IT..Johan555,Bastibro,Lala's,CapsLockWizard,Kyle!None of ya'll are banned.What are you scared of.I THINK THE TRUTH! ::MonkeyWink::
It wasn't THAT many moons ago!!!  ::MonkeyCool::

Please don't use Moon in vain.    ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 13, 2009, 11:44:33 PM
Has Mos closed his case against Joran yet?  I thought he was suppose to by February.  (by the way Mos is a whoose).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: mytime on March 13, 2009, 11:44:35 PM
mytime!!!

Meet ya in Musing.

Janet

Tap Tap Tap

Hi Janet!!

I just stopped by to read a little bit!  I also like to see how many "guests" you guys have!!   ::MonkeyWink::

Ok, see you there!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 13, 2009, 11:45:00 PM
KTF -- if it's not too personal (or revealing of your identity) -- what kind of store do you have?

Not that i would care to tell you Wreck but,who knows what others would do?
Fair enough! That is why I prefaced it -- there are nuts out there!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 13, 2009, 11:45:16 PM
...Oh them BrassMonkey's..They sure as h-ll ain't Gold..Period! ::MonkeyNoNo:: I refer to them as BrassMonkey's. ::MonkeyCool::


Very tarnished brass at that.  I love it when they pretend they were the ones bashed instead of the ones doing the bashing and attacking and demanding personal information and stalking children, etc. too

As Wreck said many moons ago!BRING IT..Johan555,Bastibro,Lala's,CapsLockWizard,Kyle!None of ya'll are banned.What are you scared of.I THINK THE TRUTH! ::MonkeyWink::
It wasn't THAT many moons ago!!!  ::MonkeyCool::

Please don't use Moon in vain.    ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I never knew if you were the little monkey in your avatar or the big one, BlueMoon!





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 13, 2009, 11:46:01 PM
Has Mos closed his case against Joran yet?  I thought he was suppose to by February.  (by the way Mos is a whoose).
Is the "whoose" even still there??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 13, 2009, 11:48:16 PM
KTF -- if it's not too personal (or revealing of your identity) -- what kind of store do you have?

Not that i would care to tell you Wreck but,who knows what others would do?

Stalk your children and post lies about them, things like that.  Then post moral platitudes.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 13, 2009, 11:49:04 PM
Has Mos closed his case against Joran yet?  I thought he was suppose to by February.  (by the way Mos is a whoose).
Is the "whoose" even still there??

It's really hard to tell.  Speaks volumes for the job he is doing.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 13, 2009, 11:50:37 PM
mytime!!!

Meet ya in Musing.

Janet

Tap Tap Tap

Hi Janet!!

I just stopped by to read a little bit!  I also like to see how many "guests" you guys have!!   ::MonkeyWink::

Ok, see you there!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Hi, MT!

Would be more interesting to see WHO and not just how many.  Too bad we can't!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: mytime on March 13, 2009, 11:53:10 PM
mytime!!!

Meet ya in Musing.

Janet

Tap Tap Tap

Hi Janet!!

I just stopped by to read a little bit!  I also like to see how many "guests" you guys have!!   ::MonkeyWink::

Ok, see you there!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Hi, MT!

Would be more interesting to see WHO and not just how many.  Too bad we can't!



Oh, I have a sneaking feeling Klaas can name them all!!   ::MonkeyWink::  Not much gets by her........right Klaas??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 13, 2009, 11:54:13 PM
...Oh them BrassMonkey's..They sure as h-ll ain't Gold..Period! ::MonkeyNoNo:: I refer to them as BrassMonkey's. ::MonkeyCool::


Very tarnished brass at that.  I love it when they pretend they were the ones bashed instead of the ones doing the bashing and attacking and demanding personal information and stalking children, etc. too

As Wreck said many moons ago!BRING IT..Johan555,Bastibro,Lala's,CapsLockWizard,Kyle!None of ya'll are banned.What are you scared of.I THINK THE TRUTH! ::MonkeyWink::
It wasn't THAT many moons ago!!!  ::MonkeyCool::

Please don't use Moon in vain.    ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I never knew if you were the little monkey in your avatar or the big one, BlueMoon!





why Anna I am the big Monkey Goddess.  (CBB did a very good job on my avi don't you think?)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2009, 11:57:09 PM
...Oh them BrassMonkey's..They sure as h-ll ain't Gold..Period! ::MonkeyNoNo:: I refer to them as BrassMonkey's. ::MonkeyCool::

I was wondering where you were KTF!   ::MonkeyDance::

Watching my Huskies get beat by ASU in the Pac-10 tourney.It sucks but,sometimes is better to get rest before the NCAA tournament!

Maybe you had better not watch your Thunderbirds when they are playing against the Canucks.

Rest instead.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

Have many Silvertip players that have frequented the store Janet!If your a Hockey fan i'm sure Kyle Beach would ring a bell!On another sad note Jordan Mistlebacher has came into the store.Very good friends with a former employee of mine.Very sad story he passed away so young..Sure your aware of the story.If not here's a link..Back on topic!

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/death_linked_to_alcohol.html

Hey ... who says you get the last word on this topic.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

I am not a hockey fan but ... I do take an interest in the scores.  All the men in my life from a child until now love hockey ... so the sound of the game in the background gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling and ... brings back so many memories.

Two Canuck players lived next door to us until one got married.  Hubby and I were invited to the wedding but ... family commitments took priority.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

The married player who owned the home was our neighbour for six years prior to moving.  My daughter babysat his kids.

I will not tell you who these players are because the darkside may look them up and ...

You get the drift.

This is my only claim to fame.  I had to share.

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

I am now going to go to the Musing thread and catch up with mytime and ... then hitting the sack.  Hubby is at an Elders meeting at the church.  Heaven only knows what time it will end.

Janet]
9:00 PM PT



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 13, 2009, 11:58:53 PM



Goodnight Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 14, 2009, 12:02:33 AM



Goodnight Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::

Ditto.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 14, 2009, 12:13:17 AM
Good night all.  See ya tomorrow.

KTF hope you & daughter are recovering nicely.

Blue Moon


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2009, 12:15:05 AM
Good night all.  See ya tomorrow.

KTF hope you & daughter are recovering nicely.

Blue Moon

Goodnight Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 14, 2009, 12:21:59 AM
Good night all.  See ya tomorrow.

KTF hope you & daughter are recovering nicely.

Blue Moon

Thanx BlueMoon!Daughter is better and all i have left is a stuffed up nose! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Not much fun but,i'll take it  over what i've had the past 2 to 3 days!Goodnight and God Bless!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 12:34:50 AM
Keepthefaith

You are still now completely well.  Time to go to bed.

Night Night

Janet
9:35 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 14, 2009, 12:36:22 AM

We missed you, KTF!  I'm so glad you're feeling better.

but...I'm pretty sure you used up all your sick days!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 14, 2009, 12:45:00 AM

We missed you, KTF!  I'm so glad you're feeling better.

but...I'm pretty sure you used up all your sick days!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::



LOL LifeSong.I will be back.I've been watching and can't wait to really get back to digging!Will be resting on the couch and watching a show before bed!Thanx Janet.Hope all is well in the Fraser Valley.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 14, 2009, 12:48:58 AM
Will stop back in after my show! ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2009, 12:51:59 AM
Good night all.  See ya tomorrow.

KTF hope you & daughter are recovering nicely.

Blue Moon

Thanx BlueMoon!Daughter is better and all i have left is a stuffed up nose! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Not much fun but,i'll take it  over what i've had the past 2 to 3 days!Goodnight and God Bless!

If you have Vicks Vapo Rub on hand, about half a teaspoon melted in boiling water works wonders for a stuffy nose.  DON'T DRINK IT, just breathe in the vapors!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I keep a cup on my cup warmer at work some days with this in it to breathe in occasionally on days I have a stuffy nose or sinus headache.  It works wonders!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 14, 2009, 12:55:29 AM
Good night all.  See ya tomorrow.

KTF hope you & daughter are recovering nicely.

Blue Moon

Thanx BlueMoon!Daughter is better and all i have left is a stuffed up nose! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Not much fun but,i'll take it  over what i've had the past 2 to 3 days!Goodnight and God Bless!

If you have Vicks Vapo Rub on hand, about half a teaspoon melted in boiling water works wonders for a stuffy nose.  DON'T DRINK IT, just breathe in the vapors!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I keep a cup on my cup warmer at work some days with this in it to breathe in occasionally on days I have a stuffy nose or sinus headache.  It works wonders!


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

texasmom said:  DON'T DRINK IT

 ::MonkeyHaHa::    ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 14, 2009, 12:56:29 AM
Too LATE.............. ::MonkeyShocked:: JUst Kiddingggg..Will return after the show... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2009, 12:58:04 AM
Good night all.  See ya tomorrow.

KTF hope you & daughter are recovering nicely.

Blue Moon

Thanx BlueMoon!Daughter is better and all i have left is a stuffed up nose! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Not much fun but,i'll take it  over what i've had the past 2 to 3 days!Goodnight and God Bless!

If you have Vicks Vapo Rub on hand, about half a teaspoon melted in boiling water works wonders for a stuffy nose.  DON'T DRINK IT, just breathe in the vapors!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I keep a cup on my cup warmer at work some days with this in it to breathe in occasionally on days I have a stuffy nose or sinus headache.  It works wonders!


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

texasmom said:  DON'T DRINK IT

 ::MonkeyHaHa::    ::MonkeyHaHa::



Wellllll, just didn't want any confusion about it!  Ya know what I mean?   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2009, 12:59:49 AM
Too LATE.............. ::MonkeyShocked:: JUst Kiddingggg..Will return after the show... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Drink that stuff and you may poop fire!   ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 01:16:51 AM
I'm back.

It was raining this afternoon and ... apparently it is freezing according to a call from a neighbour.

Now I can't sleep until hubby gets home safe.

Janet
10:15 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2009, 01:20:20 AM
I'm back.

It was raining this afternoon and ... apparently it is freezing according to a call from a neighbour.

Now I can't sleep until hubby gets home safe.

Janet
10:15 PM PT

Janet,

I'm praying he'll have a safe trip home.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 14, 2009, 01:20:41 AM

08/2006
Owner, Louis Schaefer Jr., appoints Jim Mermis as president/CEO of Superior Offshore International. Schaefer shifts his position to chairman of the board.


04/2007
According to CW 1 (a Confidential Witness in the Class Action Lawsuit (http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:YzXYM0VYK8cJ:securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/2008721_r01c_08-00687.pdf+Legacy+offshore+R+joshua+koch&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us)):  “…around the time of the IPO, Mermis was trying to attain a project out of Venezuela.  Rather than securing that work for Superior, Mermis instead sent the project to Kaplan Industry - a Company he joined after the bankruptcy.” [page  25]


04/2007 – 01/2008
According to CW 1 and CW 2 (Confidential Witnesses in the Class Action Lawsuit (http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:YzXYM0VYK8cJ:securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/2008721_r01c_08-00687.pdf+Legacy+offshore+R+joshua+koch&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us)):  “Prior to and around the time of the IPO, Mermis worked to obtain a Venezuelan project for the benefit of another company rather than for Superior.  CW 2, a former employee who was a receptionist and executive assistant during the Class Period, and CW 1 reported that, while Superior Offshore's CEO, Mermis billed the Company for trips to Venezuela made to procure a client for the Kaplan Industry - the company that Mermis would eventually join after resigning from Superior Offshore.” [page 26]


01/28/09
Superior Offshore International Announces Appointment of E. Donald Terry as Interim President and Chief Executive Officer (http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/01-28-2008/0004743641&EDATE=):  “…Mr. Terry's appointment followed James J. Mermis' resignation as President, Chief Executive Officer and a director of the Company. Mr. Mermis plans to join Kaplan Industry as its President of Technical Operations…”


Did we ever find out which project Mermis got for Kaplan? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 01:22:13 AM
I grew up on Vicks.  As a child it was rubbed on my chest ... stuck up my nostrils ... vaporized from a pot of boiling water placed in my bedroom.

The first time I took a Contact C about five years ago ... I knew that Vicks would never again be found in my medicine cabinet.  Non drowsy Contact C does not just clear up the running nose ... it gives you a high ... thinking is so clear.  I can feel better with a cold than I do normally.  Sometimes I am tempted to pop those little capsules even when I do not have a cold.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 01:23:40 AM
I'm back.

It was raining this afternoon and ... apparently it is freezing according to a call from a neighbour.

Now I can't sleep until hubby gets home safe.

Janet
10:15 PM PT

Janet,

I'm praying he'll have a safe trip home.

Thanks texasmom.  Sometimes I take that guy for granted and ... I know I shouldn't.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2009, 01:25:21 AM
I grew up on Vicks.  As a child it was rubbed on my chest ... stuck up my nostrils ... vaporized from a pot of boiling water placed in my bedroom.

The first time I took a Contact C about five years ago ... I knew that Vicks would never again be found in my medicine cabinet.  Non drowsy Contact C does not just clear up the running nose ... it gives you a high ... thinking is so clear.  I can feel better with a cold than I do normally.  Sometimes I am tempted to pop those little capsules even when I do not have a cold.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 01:27:35 AM
I am sticking around until hubby gets home or ... texasmom posts Natalee Holloway ... the reason we have all come together.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2009, 01:33:10 AM
I am sticking around until hubby gets home or ... texasmom posts Natalee Holloway ... the reason we have all come together.

Janet

I'll get my picture for the night ready, and you say the word when you hear hubby's vehicle in the drive.  I'll wait with you!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 01:34:57 AM
Lifesong ... I gave DIL the link to your timeline later this afternoon.  She was very impressed and ... appareciate all the time and effort/research that went into it.

Prior to my son and her going out for the evening she also read all my posts regard Kurtis Productions.  She just said she would talk to me tomorrow about it.  I guess that means it does not meet with her expectations or her perspective on the topic.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 01:37:59 AM
I am sticking around until hubby gets home or ... texasmom posts Natalee Holloway ... the reason we have all come together.

Janet

I'll get my picture for the night ready, and you say the word when you hear hubby's vehicle in the drive.  I'll wait with you!



Hugs.

texasmom ... what a sweetheart.  Hey ... I can read.  Two requested books that I got for Christmas and have yet to open the covers.

You post that picture anytime hon.

Janet
10:35 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 14, 2009, 01:40:19 AM
Jim Mermis Interview

It might be helpful....I have company and have not gotten to read it yet.... ::MonkeyWink::



http://webmail.aol.com/41757/aol/en-us/mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=1.23608646&folder=NewMail&partId=6&saveAs=MarEx-19-SOI-Int.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 01:41:53 AM
Jim Mermis Interview

It might be helpful....I have company and have not gotten to read it yet.... ::MonkeyWink::



http://webmail.aol.com/41757/aol/en-us/mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=1.23608646&folder=NewMail&partId=6&saveAs=MarEx-19-SOI-Int.pdf

Thanks hotping.

Does grandson get to visit you or ... are you going to visit him.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 14, 2009, 01:44:17 AM
Jim Mermis Interview

It might be helpful....I have company and have not gotten to read it yet.... ::MonkeyWink::



http://webmail.aol.com/41757/aol/en-us/mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=1.23608646&folder=NewMail&partId=6&saveAs=MarEx-19-SOI-Int.pdf

Thanks hotping.

Does grandson get to visit you or ... are you going to visit him.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet
My Oldest Son and DIL and 5 yr old Grandson are here with Us until Sunday afternoon....  ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 01:44:39 AM
texasmom

I just heard hubby's vehicle coming up the driveway.

Night Night Monkeys

Janet
10:45 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 01:45:32 AM
Jim Mermis Interview

It might be helpful....I have company and have not gotten to read it yet.... ::MonkeyWink::



http://webmail.aol.com/41757/aol/en-us/mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=1.23608646&folder=NewMail&partId=6&saveAs=MarEx-19-SOI-Int.pdf

Thanks hotping.

Does grandson get to visit you or ... are you going to visit him.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet
My Oldest Son and DIL and 5 yr old Grandson are here with Us until Sunday afternoon....  ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

The baby too!!

 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2009, 01:46:02 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/NataleeBrookeGrad2005.jpg)

I found this picture of Natalee and Brooke.  Sorry I don't have a link, pretty sure I found it at an ABC website

My prayers are with Brooke, and the Holloway family.  I hope she will fully recover from her injury.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 14, 2009, 01:47:10 AM
Louis Schaefer Interview


http://webmail.aol.com/41757/aol/en-us/mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=1.23608646&folder=NewMail&partId=10&saveAs=MarEx-19-SOI-CS-a.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 01:47:33 AM
Thanks texasmom.

You are sooo thoughful.

Hugs

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2009, 01:47:46 AM
texasmom

I just heard hubby's vehicle coming up the driveway.

Night Night Monkeys

Janet
10:45 PM PT

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Goodnight Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 14, 2009, 01:48:14 AM
Jim Mermis Interview

It might be helpful....I have company and have not gotten to read it yet.... ::MonkeyWink::



http://webmail.aol.com/41757/aol/en-us/mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=1.23608646&folder=NewMail&partId=6&saveAs=MarEx-19-SOI-Int.pdf

Thanks hotping.

Does grandson get to visit you or ... are you going to visit him.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet
My Oldest Son and DIL and 5 yr old Grandson are here with Us until Sunday afternoon....  ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

The baby too!!

 ::cartwheel::
No not the Baby...We hope to see Him next weekend!  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 14, 2009, 01:49:03 AM
Night Janet!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 01:49:17 AM
Monkey said today that Brook looked so much like Natalee.  I can see the resemblance.  They both are their Daddy's girls.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 01:49:47 AM
EDIT

Monken


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 01:52:18 AM
Night Janet!  ::MonkeyCool::

Good Night hotping.

I hope you sleep well.  Sometimes anticipating something good will keep you awake.  Something akin to Christmas Eve when you know that Santa is on his way.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 14, 2009, 01:53:55 AM
Thank You TM for the Picture of Natalee and Brooke..I've never seen it before...They are Beautiful!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 14, 2009, 01:56:40 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/NataleeBrookeGrad2005.jpg)

I found this picture of Natalee and Brooke.  Sorry I don't have a link, pretty sure I found it at an ABC website

My prayers are with Brooke, and the Holloway family.  I hope she will fully recover from her injury.



Thank you so much for posting that picture, texasmom.  You always get it just right!
My prayers are going out to Brook and all of the Holloways tonight, with earnest pleadings for peace and comfort for Dave.  My heart breaks for him this evening.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2009, 01:57:45 AM
Thank You TM for the Picture of Natalee and Brooke..I've never seen it before...They are Beautiful!

You're welcome Hotping!

So glad to hear you have company of the best kind!  I hope you have a great weekend!

 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 14, 2009, 02:03:06 AM
Thank You TM for the Picture of Natalee and Brooke..I've never seen it before...They are Beautiful!

You're welcome Hotping!

So glad to hear you have company of the best kind!  I hope you have a great weekend!

 ::MonkeyDance::
Thanks TM...I'm going to have to get to bed soon because My Grandson will be wanting Meemaw to fix His favorite breakfast...I have to be ready...lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2009, 02:06:29 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/NataleeBrookeGrad2005.jpg)

I found this picture of Natalee and Brooke.  Sorry I don't have a link, pretty sure I found it at an ABC website

My prayers are with Brooke, and the Holloway family.  I hope she will fully recover from her injury.



Thank you so much for posting that picture, texasmom.  You always get it just right!
My prayers are going out to Brook and all of the Holloways tonight, with earnest pleadings for peace and comfort for Dave.  My heart breaks for him this evening.



You're welcome Lifesong!  Thank you for the kind compliment!   ::MonkeyCool::

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 14, 2009, 02:07:55 AM
Good Night All!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2009, 02:09:38 AM
Thank You TM for the Picture of Natalee and Brooke..I've never seen it before...They are Beautiful!

You're welcome Hotping!

So glad to hear you have company of the best kind!  I hope you have a great weekend!

 ::MonkeyDance::
Thanks TM...I'm going to have to get to bed soon because My Grandson will be wanting Meemaw to fix His favorite breakfast...I have to be ready...lol

That sounds like fun!  You'd better get your rest!

Goodnight Hotping!   ::MonkeyCool::  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2009, 02:14:53 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)
Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2009, 02:17:12 AM


Goodnight everyone!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on March 14, 2009, 02:20:34 AM
TM - That is a great photo, and very appropriate timing.  Thank you for your continued reminder as to what SM is all about.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on March 14, 2009, 02:22:09 AM
TM - That is a great photo, and very appropriate timing.  Thank you for your continued reminder as to what SM is all about.

(the great timing remark was in regards to the one with Natalee and Brooke)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2009, 02:35:57 AM
TM - That is a great photo, and very appropriate timing.  Thank you for your continued reminder as to what SM is all about.

(the great timing remark was in regards to the one with Natalee and Brooke)

You're welcome Sleuth!  I've been so happy to see you here quite often lately! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: caesu on March 14, 2009, 03:09:49 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_53838.php

Through translator:

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/12-arubahendrik-croes-2.gif)

Aruba
Hendrik Croes VNO responds to affair
March 12, 2009, 15:42 (GMT -04:00)
 
'ORANGE CITY - "What idle talk, incredible, but the Dutch political thought onzindelijk appear to influence," responds former Minister of Justice Hendrik Croes, lawyer and partner of the firm Croes, Wever and Tchong on allegations that the Attorney General (PG) to "the leash of Henry Croes' runs. 'Talking fudge' that he even about his previous relationship with PG as the Round Forest and Zwinkels did.

Croes, submitted a letter in this newspaper (see page 3) for the first time on the allegations in the leaked week notice of the Dutch Representation in Aruba (VNO). The letter cites Croes firm to State Secretary for Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA), VNO and the Second Chamber. He let us know through the years "all kinds of wild raspberry and gossip stories' about his person a hearing and that the allegations in the report was no exception. Croes also doubt whether the leaked report VNO or VNO from the office in Oranjestad comes and not an "other VNO.
He called the author of the report "a little frustrated isolated pathetic figure with his legs completely outside the Aruban community. "If such Sammy the Dutch Government to inform and advise, but it is questionable whether such a government to balanced decision-making can get"

As the then Secretary of State with its investigation, the letter to the Dutch Parliament and the debate this week has made calls Croes is indicative of the Dutch political thought: "It does hold, as evidenced by its report to the Lower House, implied this idle talk, for true! "


Aruban Investigation Board
State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten promised Tuesday to a House investigation into the integrity of the Board on Aruba. How they perform research, based on the reports and whether Aruban institutes hearing is not yet known, so let her know spokesman. Also on the period when the report should be ready, is still nothing to report. Bijleveld will have two weeks to Aruba for a short working visit. In interviews yesterday with them in the Netherlands Prime Minister Nelson Oduber had she not lost. Oduber was this morning by the Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende received in the turret.

a commentary in response to this letter of Hendrik Croes today in Awemainta.
(http://i40.tinypic.com/ay26up.png)

stating that it's obvious that Hendrik Croes is upset about the VNO-report, as Hendrik Croes has many conflicts of interest between his Law firm and the Government of Aruba.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: sharon on March 14, 2009, 07:11:24 AM

I say ig a nor.....from the little I have read here about Chicago, it was always about Natalee, and if questions were raised here today, again, it was for Natalee.  Seems like someone is trying to make it about herself and others.  same-o, same-o.



You are SOOOO wise, friend of mine  ::MonkeyCool::

Mrs Charlie Rat is a '1 trick pony'.

And I do mean 'trick'   ::MonkeyTongue::



 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: San on March 14, 2009, 08:55:25 AM
(http://www.foxnews.com/images/headers/fnc_logo05.gif)

Vacation Dangers Beyond the Border

Friday , March 13, 2009

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509156,00.html

This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," March 12, 2009. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST: There is a new and growing concern for parents who are sending their kids off to spring break, only, this time, it is not related to the dangers of them streaking but to the very real danger posed by Mexico's violent drug cartels.

Now, here's a look at what every parent needs to know before their child heads south of the border.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

HANNITY (voice-over): Spring break. It's a time-honored tradition for college students nationwide, but there is a new warning tonight for students and parents, specifically of those looking to let loose south of the border.

• Video: Watch the 'Hannity' segment

Mexico has long been a spring break favorite, with party-hearty cities like Cancun, Cozumel and Acapulco.

But beyond the fruity drinks, packed clubs and the sandy beaches, lies the gritty backdrop of drug violence that has exploded over the last two years and is now threatening the lives of tourists.

There were more than 6000 drug-related murders in Mexico last year, and cartels are dumping decapitated bodies in the streets every single day. Just last month, a retired general hired to dismantle the cartels running rampant in Cancun, was kidnapped and brutally tortured. His body was left on the side of the road.

With the violence out of control, some in the Mexican government feared the brazen drug runners might start singling out tourists, much like terrorists have done in Bali and Mumbai.

The State Department has issued a travel warning, urging Americans to use caution when traveling there. So as the annual migration of party- seeking students begins, parents have one more safety concern, and spring breakers have one more reason to keep vigilant.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

HANNITY: And joining us now is FOX News anchor and analysts, Kimberly Guilfoyle, and FOX News correspondent, Courtney Friel.

Guys, good to see you. All right. Any parent, my take on this. We have literally 100,000-man armies in these drug cartels, and any parent that sends their kid to go to Mexico on spring break I think is nuts. Agree?

COURTNEY FRIEL, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Well, actually, the good news is I randomly Googled a couple travel agents and called them up. And they said that there is no interest any more in Mexico, and those that have had trips planned cancelled them. And they're not trying to encourage them to go.

HANNITY: But there are still some parents that are not getting this.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: They're not getting it. They're not getting it. Don't let your children go. You will be sorry if you do. I'm telling you. Why would you want to take that kind of risk and put your child in that kind of danger? Even in Cancun. Sure, there's fabulous resorts there like the Ritz Carlton, et cetera. That's not where they're going like spring break. And those drug cartels operating there, people have been murdered. It's all over Mexico.

HANNITY: There's a movie out, and I forget the name of it. Liam Nielsen [SIC] is in it, right now, where his daughter is abducted when she travels abroad. And I would be like him, except I'm not as, you know, talented at beating people up.

But any time your child leaves the country, there's a risk.

GUILFOYLE: Look at Aruba.

HANNITY: Looking to Aruba.

GUILFOYLE: Natalee Holloway. There is a risk. And you know what? During this economic — we're having this hardship in this country. How about buy American, travel American? This is an amazing country. Why not you and your family, with your children, take a trip, see a part of the country...

HANNITY: Go to Vegas. Vegas is something.

GUILFOYLE: Spend your dollars here. Is that such a bad idea, Sean.


HANNITY: I know you know Vegas. So...

FRIEL: I do, and there's great deals right now. But another destination that people are going to, Palm Springs, the biggest travel agency on the West Coast had 50 different colleges connected on this trip that they were taking to Baja, California. They canceled the trip, and now, they're going to Palm Springs. So the schools...

GUILFOYLE: That's a good idea.

FRIEL: The schools are canceling trips.

HANNITY: All right. What about, putting aside the drug cartels, parents, if you send your kids to Mexico or allow them to go, remember you're in charge. You can say no. I know that's not a word we're used to any more.

Putting that aside, I don't get this. And believe me, I did a lot of dumb things when I was young. Probably more than both of you put together. Just for the record. But they take these funnels, and they literally are sucking down 12 beers at one time, you know, passing out unconscious — unconscious. I don't get the fun in that. Help me out here. Why is that so common, these drinking games and all that?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, ask Courtney.

FRIEL: I just told you, I drink vodka, not beer. It's not just the kids going over the border. I lived in — not Tijuana. I lived in San Diego for a couple years. I've been to Tijuana, like, 30 times. I bring my friends down there.

But also grandparents go over there to get their prescriptions cheaper. My husband would get his dog medication cheaper there. And people just have to be really concerned, because you can get in the way of crossfire.

HANNITY: Last word?

GUILFOYLE: Absolutely. I think there's a lot of other alternatives that are safe, that are prudent, that also support the American economy now, and you should choose that, choose wisely for your children.

Watch "Hannity" weeknights at 9 p.m. ET!





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Frijole on March 14, 2009, 09:09:16 AM
Good morning monks!  Coming out of the rafters concerning Brooke.  I read back but couldn't find out what happened?  Will she be OK?  Is there a link?  Thanks so much.

Spring is almost here - happy weekend to all.

Frijole


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 14, 2009, 09:20:45 AM
Good morning monks!  Coming out of the rafters concerning Brooke.  I read back but couldn't find out what happened?  Will she be OK?  Is there a link?  Thanks so much.

Spring is almost here - happy weekend to all.

Frijole
According to "Monken", she had an accident on the monkey bars at school. She was briefly unconscious and apparently broke 2 vertebrae in her back.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on March 14, 2009, 09:21:07 AM
Good morning monks!  Coming out of the rafters concerning Brooke.  I read back but couldn't find out what happened?  Will she be OK?  Is there a link?  Thanks so much.

Spring is almost here - happy weekend to all.

Frijole


Posted by angelalala at BFN's backup site:

angelalala
Active Poster
Joined: 10 May 2006
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Update: I was just told she is going to be fine and is on bed rest. I believe she is home now. There was no damage or anything to the spinal cord.

Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:19 pm    

 :smt102


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 14, 2009, 09:21:53 AM

08/2006
Owner, Louis Schaefer Jr., appoints Jim Mermis as president/CEO of Superior Offshore International. Schaefer shifts his position to chairman of the board.


04/2007
According to CW 1 (a Confidential Witness in the Class Action Lawsuit (http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:YzXYM0VYK8cJ:securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/2008721_r01c_08-00687.pdf+Legacy+offshore+R+joshua+koch&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us)):  “…around the time of the IPO, Mermis was trying to attain a project out of Venezuela.  Rather than securing that work for Superior, Mermis instead sent the project to Kaplan Industry - a Company he joined after the bankruptcy.” [page  25]


04/2007 – 01/2008
According to CW 1 and CW 2 (Confidential Witnesses in the Class Action Lawsuit (http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:YzXYM0VYK8cJ:securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/2008721_r01c_08-00687.pdf+Legacy+offshore+R+joshua+koch&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us)):  “Prior to and around the time of the IPO, Mermis worked to obtain a Venezuelan project for the benefit of another company rather than for Superior.  CW 2, a former employee who was a receptionist and executive assistant during the Class Period, and CW 1 reported that, while Superior Offshore's CEO, Mermis billed the Company for trips to Venezuela made to procure a client for the Kaplan Industry - the company that Mermis would eventually join after resigning from Superior Offshore.” [page 26]


01/28/09
Superior Offshore International Announces Appointment of E. Donald Terry as Interim President and Chief Executive Officer (http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/01-28-2008/0004743641&EDATE=):  “…Mr. Terry's appointment followed James J. Mermis' resignation as President, Chief Executive Officer and a director of the Company. Mr. Mermis plans to join Kaplan Industry as its President of Technical Operations…”


Did we ever find out which project Mermis got for Kaplan? 


I can't answer the Kaplan project question at the moment.  Am catching up reading and wanted to note that Terry was appointed 1/27/08

http://www.globenewswire.com/newsroom/news.html?d=136169

-snipped-

As previously announced, the Board appointed E. Donald Terry as the Company's Interim President and Chief Executive Officer effective January 27, 2008.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 14, 2009, 09:57:22 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/NataleeBrookeGrad2005.jpg)

I found this picture of Natalee and Brooke.  Sorry I don't have a link, pretty sure I found it at an ABC website

My prayers are with Brooke, and the Holloway family.  I hope she will fully recover from her injury.



Thank you so much for posting that picture, texasmom.  You always get it just right!
My prayers are going out to Brook and all of the Holloways tonight, with earnest pleadings for peace and comfort for Dave.  My heart breaks for him this evening.



I read at the BFN backup site that she is on the mend at home and will fully recover.  I'm a stickler for details and this article bugs me.  Wouldn't she be Natalee's 1/2 sister since she has the same father?  Halfsister not stepsister.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 14, 2009, 10:00:46 AM
Klaas, you are correct.  They share the same Father....half sisters.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 14, 2009, 10:02:38 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/NataleeBrookeGrad2005.jpg)

I found this picture of Natalee and Brooke.  Sorry I don't have a link, pretty sure I found it at an ABC website

My prayers are with Brooke, and the Holloway family.  I hope she will fully recover from her injury.



Thank you so much for posting that picture, texasmom.  You always get it just right!
My prayers are going out to Brook and all of the Holloways tonight, with earnest pleadings for peace and comfort for Dave.  My heart breaks for him this evening.



I read at the BFN backup site that she is on the mend at home and will fully recover.  I'm a stickler for details and this article bugs me.  Wouldn't she be Natalee's 1/2 sister since she has the same father?  Halfsister not stepsister.

Yes, Klaas...half sister is correct...that was bothering me too. 
Also, according to Monken, she had fractures of the spine...nothing broken


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 14, 2009, 10:14:13 AM
My husband had a half sister who had lost a leg.

When my oldest grandson was little, he told his other grandfather: We are going to
see Granddaddy's half a sister.  The other grandfather asked why she was the
half a sister.

Davis replied.....well, Aunt Winny only has one leg, so she is a half a sister.
Aunt Nan has two legs so she is a whole sister.

You never know what's in a child's mind. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 14, 2009, 10:22:31 AM
Part of ldstlou's post at GM.  My thoughts in red:

Kyle told me that if there had been evidence in the cage that was related to Natalee, then Dateline would not have been able to show the footage because it would have been evidence in an ongoing investigation. When the divers came up after the Dec 30th dive with the thumbs down sign, there was an agent from Quantico on the boat. Someone from Dateline had asked the agent if there was any evidence related to Natalee and the Quantico agent then told him no which gave Dateline legally, the right to use the footage in their show. So it was the Quantico agent who said there was no evidence in the cage related to Natalee. If there had been evidence related to Natalee's case, Dateline would NOT have been able to show it. (Really?? the Quantico agent could tell right away WITHOUT TESTING that nothing in the cage pertained to Natalee or Joran?  BS, pure BS and you can't possibly believe this))

Next Kyle told me, that indeed Schaefer had planned on doing a documentary on the search. When they found out that Dateline was going to air the footage before they had a chance to sell their documentary, they contacted the FBI to try and get it stopped. I believe that the FBI then called Dateline and said they could not show all of the footage of the dive. This is my understanding of what happened after talking to Kyle. ((Again, I call BS.  Dateline was part of the search from the very beginning starting with shots taken at the dock in LA.  You trying to tell me that Dateline pulled a fast one on all of them?))

I just am not one who believes in a conspiracy theory or any wrong doing in Schaefer wanting to do a documentary of the search for Natalee. They were usurped by Dateline who originally was doing a show on Tim and TES, but who changed the theme of their show to the Persistence and the search before they had a buyer for their own documentary. I also don't believe Schaefer would have made a "lot of money" on the documentary, I believe he was trying to recoup some of the money he had put into the search.

Logic dictates, that IF they had found Natalee in the cage, THEN they certainly would have made a lot of money selling the footage. What is the point in hiding the fact that they found Natalee...there is none!!!  ((There is no logic dictating what you post, only emotion))

I'll likely have more to say after I wake up  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 14, 2009, 10:28:32 AM
San,

Thanks for posting the transcript from Hannity.  The bolded comments by Hannity & Guilfoyle about traveling the US is something I've stated to some in the group we travel with.  Some have been receptive but others not.  The reasoning for some has to do with lifestyle and status.  Not all of us have second homes and timeshares in various places here.  To those that have, they think why go here or there in the states....I can do that anytime.  They seem to want to travel to some tropical island, instead, because it's out of their norm.  Our recent Cancun trip was not a highlight in our life except for our friends' company, and we are a little sad that we dropped our pesos there.  C'est la vie.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on March 14, 2009, 11:12:19 AM
Since when has the US blocked any media from showing footage from an ongoing investigation?  They may, at times, block access to a site, but once there is film, etc...there is no censorship.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 11:25:11 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/NataleeBrookeGrad2005.jpg)

I found this picture of Natalee and Brooke.  Sorry I don't have a link, pretty sure I found it at an ABC website

My prayers are with Brooke, and the Holloway family.  I hope she will fully recover from her injury.



Thank you so much for posting that picture, texasmom.  You always get it just right!
My prayers are going out to Brook and all of the Holloways tonight, with earnest pleadings for peace and comfort for Dave.  My heart breaks for him this evening.



I read at the BFN backup site that she is on the mend at home and will fully recover.  I'm a stickler for details and this article bugs me.  Wouldn't she be Natalee's 1/2 sister since she has the same father?  Halfsister not stepsister.

I agree.

I believe a stepsister would be your stepmother or stepfather's child from another marriage ... not a blood relation.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 14, 2009, 11:26:09 AM
Part of ldstlou's post at GM.  My thoughts in red:

Kyle told me that if there had been evidence in the cage that was related to Natalee, then Dateline would not have been able to show the footage because it would have been evidence in an ongoing investigation. When the divers came up after the Dec 30th dive with the thumbs down sign, there was an agent from Quantico on the boat. Someone from Dateline had asked the agent if there was any evidence related to Natalee and the Quantico agent then told him no which gave Dateline legally, the right to use the footage in their show. So it was the Quantico agent who said there was no evidence in the cage related to Natalee. If there had been evidence related to Natalee's case, Dateline would NOT have been able to show it. (Really?? the Quantico agent could tell right away WITHOUT TESTING that nothing in the cage pertained to Natalee or Joran?  BS, pure BS and you can't possibly believe this))

Next Kyle told me, that indeed Schaefer had planned on doing a documentary on the search. When they found out that Dateline was going to air the footage before they had a chance to sell their documentary, they contacted the FBI to try and get it stopped. I believe that the FBI then called Dateline and said they could not show all of the footage of the dive. This is my understanding of what happened after talking to Kyle. ((Again, I call BS.  Dateline was part of the search from the very beginning starting with shots taken at the dock in LA.  You trying to tell me that Dateline pulled a fast one on all of them?))

I just am not one who believes in a conspiracy theory or any wrong doing in Schaefer wanting to do a documentary of the search for Natalee. They were usurped by Dateline who originally was doing a show on Tim and TES, but who changed the theme of their show to the Persistence and the search before they had a buyer for their own documentary. I also don't believe Schaefer would have made a "lot of money" on the documentary, I believe he was trying to recoup some of the money he had put into the search.

Logic dictates, that IF they had found Natalee in the cage, THEN they certainly would have made a lot of money selling the footage. What is the point in hiding the fact that they found Natalee...there is none!!!  ((There is no logic dictating what you post, only emotion))

I'll likely have more to say after I wake up  ::MonkeyCool::


I call BS also.  HOW can anyone tell it is not related to Natalee without proper recovery/testing?  Lou should have know that.  You are VERY VERY gullible if you buy into that notion.  Kyle needs to MAN-UP and come out of hiding and speak for himself.  They still do not get it-------------Whatever was in that cage is now gone because they let ALE swoosh in and retrieve every inch of it.  This whole argument is mute, the point IS we will NEVER know what was in that cage because of the actions of the people on that ship who DID NOT listen to people who were telling them NOT to let Aruba take control of anything.  There were ways to have accomplished this but NO, Schafer had to call them in immediately.  Also, they had Eduardo onboard that ship who probably reported everything back to ALE and Jossy and word got out.  Disgusting.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wingnut on March 14, 2009, 11:26:34 AM
PERSONAL to LSD in StLou:

What part of it don't you get?  (Rhetorical)

The Freebirds were quite content to stay anonymous.  It was because YOU and your cronies started calling Kermit a liar that me and Jen outed ourselves.  I had been, and would have remained, perfectly content to be hidden away from posters like you.  That was the reason that I left "public" forums in the first place. 

YOU were not there to witness Kyle's participation.  YOU have no knowledge of what was said and when.  YET you post as though you have knowledge, when in fact you are IGNORANT of the facts.  If Kyle disagrees with what has been stated here, he needs to speak for himself and stop hiding behind your skirts.  He doesn't because he knows it is all true.  HE was there.  He knows what was said, and the context in which it was said. 

As far as I'm concerned, you are a bitter troublemaker, and you are dismissed. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 14, 2009, 11:43:08 AM
PERSONAL to LSD in StLou:

What part of it don't you get?  (Rhetorical)

The Freebirds were quite content to stay anonymous.  It was because YOU and your cronies started calling Kermit a liar that me and Jen outed ourselves.  I had been, and would have remained, perfectly content to be hidden away from posters like you.  That was the reason that I left "public" forums in the first place. 

YOU were not there to witness Kyle's participation.  YOU have no knowledge of what was said and when.  YET you post as though you have knowledge, when in fact you are IGNORANT of the facts.  If Kyle disagrees with what has been stated here, he needs to speak for himself and stop hiding behind your skirts.  He doesn't because he knows it is all true.  HE was there.  He knows what was said, and the context in which it was said. 

As far as I'm concerned, you are a bitter troublemaker, and you are dismissed. 

And,there you have it folks! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 14, 2009, 11:43:24 AM
PERSONAL to LSD in StLou:

What part of it don't you get?  (Rhetorical)

The Freebirds were quite content to stay anonymous.  It was because YOU and your cronies started calling Kermit a liar that me and Jen outed ourselves.  I had been, and would have remained, perfectly content to be hidden away from posters like you.  That was the reason that I left "public" forums in the first place. 

YOU were not there to witness Kyle's participation.  YOU have no knowledge of what was said and when.  YET you post as though you have knowledge, when in fact you are IGNORANT of the facts.  If Kyle disagrees with what has been stated here, he needs to speak for himself and stop hiding behind your skirts.  He doesn't because he knows it is all true.  HE was there.  He knows what was said, and the context in which it was said. 

As far as I'm concerned, you are a bitter troublemaker, and you are dismissed. 

Wingnut, did Kyle tell you all that there was an agent from Quantico onboard that ship?  Did he ever tell  you all anything along these lines? 

Tim was a liability--looks like a skull; still looks like a skull.  Dateline--became a big liability when they had that footage.  Persistence was NOT ready to find Natalee because that is NOT what they went for.  They had bigger better business there and finding that cage so early was not the agenda they had in mind.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 11:43:36 AM
PERSONAL to LSD in StLou:

What part of it don't you get?  (Rhetorical)

The Freebirds were quite content to stay anonymous.  It was because YOU and your cronies started calling Kermit a liar that me and Jen outed ourselves.  I had been, and would have remained, perfectly content to be hidden away from posters like you.  That was the reason that I left "public" forums in the first place. 

YOU were not there to witness Kyle's participation.  YOU have no knowledge of what was said and when.  YET you post as though you have knowledge, when in fact you are IGNORANT of the facts.  If Kyle disagrees with what has been stated here, he needs to speak for himself and stop hiding behind your skirts.  He doesn't because he knows it is all true.  HE was there.  He knows what was said, and the context in which it was said. 

As far as I'm concerned, you are a bitter troublemaker, and you are dismissed. 

Thanks wingnut.

GM posters on the CAGE thread refer to Kermit's conspiracy theory ... SM's conspiracy theory.  There is no theory ... Kyle Kingman's words ... regarding the John Silvetti betrayal of the family as well as those who prayfully and monetarily support the cause of bring Natalee home ... stand alone.

GOOD MORNING ALL!!

Janet
8:40 AM PT

+++++++

THE PERSISTENCE - THE TRAP (DOCUMENT)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4641.0




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 11:59:49 AM
PERSONAL to LSD in StLou:

What part of it don't you get?  (Rhetorical)

The Freebirds were quite content to stay anonymous.  It was because YOU and your cronies started calling Kermit a liar that me and Jen outed ourselves.  I had been, and would have remained, perfectly content to be hidden away from posters like you.  That was the reason that I left "public" forums in the first place. 

YOU were not there to witness Kyle's participation.  YOU have no knowledge of what was said and when.  YET you post as though you have knowledge, when in fact you are IGNORANT of the facts.  If Kyle disagrees with what has been stated here, he needs to speak for himself and stop hiding behind your skirts.  He doesn't because he knows it is all true.  HE was there.  He knows what was said, and the context in which it was said. 

As far as I'm concerned, you are a bitter troublemaker, and you are dismissed. 

Wingnut, did Kyle tell you all that there was an agent from Quantico onboard that ship?  Did he ever tell  you all anything along these lines? 

Tim was a liability--looks like a skull; still looks like a skull.  Dateline--became a big liability when they had that footage.  Persistence was NOT ready to find Natalee because that is NOT what they went for.  They had bigger better business there and finding that cage so early was not the agenda they had in mind.

Good Morning Blue Moon

Wingnut appears to have left the room.

Kyle Kingman did shed some light on this issue.  However ... my contention is that the Aruban invitation to the FBI should have been secured in the planning stages of this huge undertaking.  Without that invitation the outcome of Persistence endeavor was a foregone conclusion.
 
Janet

+++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
The FBI told me they could not send a representative down to us in Aruba unless they were specifically invited to do so by the Aruban authorities. They were simply uninvited.

Kyle Kingman:   The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2009, 12:02:57 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/NataleeBrookeGrad2005.jpg)

I found this picture of Natalee and Brooke.  Sorry I don't have a link, pretty sure I found it at an ABC website

My prayers are with Brooke, and the Holloway family.  I hope she will fully recover from her injury.



Thank you so much for posting that picture, texasmom.  You always get it just right!
My prayers are going out to Brook and all of the Holloways tonight, with earnest pleadings for peace and comfort for Dave.  My heart breaks for him this evening.



I read at the BFN backup site that she is on the mend at home and will fully recover.  I'm a stickler for details and this article bugs me.  Wouldn't she be Natalee's 1/2 sister since she has the same father?  Halfsister not stepsister.

Good morning Monkeys!

I noticed it too Klaas.  I started to crop it and post just the picture, and if I could have found a link to where I got it from I would have.  I left it as is since it did have ABC news, and that it was a family photo on the rest of it.  I probably should have spent more time looking for the link, and posted just the picture.   



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 12:05:39 PM
Private Eye and I are one in regards to the crew of the Persistence  joining forces with the enemy who has prevented justice from prevailing since the getgo while expecting a positive outcome.  Logic dictates ... it is not going to happen.

Janet

++++++

PRIVATE EYE

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #690 on: March 13, 2008, 06:56:18 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756

don't believe that Kyle or anyone else is allowed to review the case documents, according to the policy of the prosecutors office. I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains. So I am not sure why they have been lured into defending the work of the Aruban authorities or a discussion of the validity of the investigation as they are not knowledgeable as to the investigation, other than what they have been told by these Arubans. There are an awful lot of highly educated people who have been chumped by people of far less formal education. A well trained police force is not thwarted by a grieving mother and the media.

And Kyle, I by no means am being disrespectful, I think you are brilliant, sincerely. But I don't think your education or work experience has prepared you for a cover up by these types of people. And I think you may be severely underestimating the education, experience, and wisdom of the monkeys and other coverup believers. Don't let them make a fool of you. We need you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 14, 2009, 12:22:59 PM
Going back to discussion yesterday about film crews & Texasmom's posting of the Dutch video, it's airing 2/12/08.

Anna pointed out Silvetti making a statement in that clip of defending their purpose and poopoo'ing the oil connection spoken about on 'hate sites'.  When I watched it again, it made me think about why he felt he had to defend.  It so happened that I was browsing through posts at RU earlier in the week.  I believe it may have been a thread started by Glenda.  They were talking about Schaefer's failed company & oil pursuits early 2008.  Since I seldom go there, it was the first I noticed or knew of it.

I do not mean to disturb the current discussion, but was thinking about that email. Jug, oil, Silvetti aware of talk at that juncture.  Makes me go hmmmmm.   

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 14, 2009, 12:29:17 PM
Part of ldstlou's post at GM.  My thoughts in red:

Kyle told me that if there had been evidence in the cage that was related to Natalee, then Dateline would not have been able to show the footage because it would have been evidence in an ongoing investigation. When the divers came up after the Dec 30th dive with the thumbs down sign, there was an agent from Quantico on the boat. Someone from Dateline had asked the agent if there was any evidence related to Natalee and the Quantico agent then told him no which gave Dateline legally, the right to use the footage in their show. So it was the Quantico agent who said there was no evidence in the cage related to Natalee. If there had been evidence related to Natalee's case, Dateline would NOT have been able to show it. (Really?? the Quantico agent could tell right away WITHOUT TESTING that nothing in the cage pertained to Natalee or Joran?  BS, pure BS and you can't possibly believe this))

Next Kyle told me, that indeed Schaefer had planned on doing a documentary on the search. When they found out that Dateline was going to air the footage before they had a chance to sell their documentary, they contacted the FBI to try and get it stopped. I believe that the FBI then called Dateline and said they could not show all of the footage of the dive. This is my understanding of what happened after talking to Kyle. ((Again, I call BS.  Dateline was part of the search from the very beginning starting with shots taken at the dock in LA.  You trying to tell me that Dateline pulled a fast one on all of them?))

I just am not one who believes in a conspiracy theory or any wrong doing in Schaefer wanting to do a documentary of the search for Natalee. They were usurped by Dateline who originally was doing a show on Tim and TES, but who changed the theme of their show to the Persistence and the search before they had a buyer for their own documentary. I also don't believe Schaefer would have made a "lot of money" on the documentary, I believe he was trying to recoup some of the money he had put into the search.

Logic dictates, that IF they had found Natalee in the cage, THEN they certainly would have made a lot of money selling the footage. What is the point in hiding the fact that they found Natalee...there is none!!!  ((There is no logic dictating what you post, only emotion))

I'll likely have more to say after I wake up  ::MonkeyCool::



I only made it to the second sentence.

Kyle Kingman:  "I have not given anything to the FBI since the pictures and statements from Dec 29th.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2009, 12:35:58 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/NataleeBrookeGrad2005.jpg)

I found this picture of Natalee and Brooke.  Sorry I don't have a link, pretty sure I found it at an ABC website

My prayers are with Brooke, and the Holloway family.  I hope she will fully recover from her injury.



Found the link!

http://a.abcnews.com/GMA/popup?id=1818635&contentIndex=1&page=5&start=false







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 14, 2009, 12:48:53 PM

I can't answer the Kaplan project question at the moment.  Am catching up reading and wanted to note that Terry was appointed 1/27/08

http://www.globenewswire.com/newsroom/news.html?d=136169

-snipped-

As previously announced, the Board appointed E. Donald Terry as the Company's Interim President and Chief Executive Officer effective January 27, 2008.


Thank you, 2NJ.  All corrections are welcome (and much needed!!), please keep them coming!

I've fixed the year in the originating document, so it will be corrected in the next revision.

01/28/08
Superior Offshore International Announces Appointment of E. Donald Terry as Interim President and Chief Executive Officer (http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/01-28-2008/0004743641&EDATE=):  “…Mr. Terry's appointment followed James J. Mermis' resignation as President, Chief Executive Officer and a director of the Company. Mr. Mermis plans to join Kaplan Industry as its President of Technical Operations…”

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/01-28-2008/0004743641&EDATE





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 12:54:20 PM
UPDATE

Out of the four emails that my daughter sent to former co-workers from her time on the mission field in Thailand ... only one was in a position to maybe get a recording of the Kurtis Production that aired yesterday in Asia.

All four co-workers are still affiliated with the Thai ministry but were temporarily out of the country.

Two were in Cambodia and ... their accomodations had did not provide television access.  Videos are where it is at for them.

One was home in the States on Furlough.

However ... one was in Hong Kong and ... she was going to request a friend to record the documentary.

No word yet.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: johan555 on March 14, 2009, 12:55:40 PM
Joran's nightclub in Bangkok

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/bed-55kopie.jpg?t=1237049069)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 14, 2009, 01:07:12 PM
Jim Mermis Interview

It might be helpful....I have company and have not gotten to read it yet.... ::MonkeyWink::



http://webmail.aol.com/41757/aol/en-us/mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=1.23608646&folder=NewMail&partId=6&saveAs=MarEx-19-SOI-Int.pdf


Thank you, Hotping!

I don't do aol - and by that I mean I won't do aol.  Is there a kind monkey out there who will bring this over?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: sharon on March 14, 2009, 01:08:17 PM
PERSONAL to LSD in StLou:

What part of it don't you get?  (Rhetorical)

The Freebirds were quite content to stay anonymous.  It was because YOU and your cronies started calling Kermit a liar that me and Jen outed ourselves.  I had been, and would have remained, perfectly content to be hidden away from posters like you.  That was the reason that I left "public" forums in the first place. 

YOU were not there to witness Kyle's participation.  YOU have no knowledge of what was said and when.  YET you post as though you have knowledge, when in fact you are IGNORANT of the facts.  If Kyle disagrees with what has been stated here, he needs to speak for himself and stop hiding behind your skirts.  He doesn't because he knows it is all true.  HE was there.  He knows what was said, and the context in which it was said. 

As far as I'm concerned, you are a bitter troublemaker, and you are dismissed. 

Hugs and hallelujah  ::MonkeyWink::

This is an old favorite post of mine from SM. It applied to the original Dark Side -- but I think some words and names could be modified and it could be resurrected for the New Dark Side.


izzy Says:
April 13th, 2006 at 6:06 pm

(snipped)

I’ve noted the following motivations behind some of the vitriol posted on the hate sites:

1) Class envy (all those comments about Mountain Brook)

2) Regional bias (i.e. anti-Southerner)

3) National pride (defending “attacks” on Aruba & the Netherlands)

4) Basic female cattiness/jealousy (refusing to believe Natalee could be such a good girl & high achiever)

5) Personal offense (e.g. one former SM poster is offended that Beth did not respond to her donations, many others were banned from this site)

6) Sycophancy (emulating the more strident/flamboyant/popular posters’ viewpoints)

Regardless of motivation, however, it is indeed hard to imagine what would drive these people to such a level of hatred that they will ignore facts and donate money to the defense of the obvious perpetrator(s), all the while viciously defaming the victim and her family.

The psyche behind this behavior is truly disturbing.


 ::MonkeyCool::


Heading out for the day

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2009, 01:15:54 PM
Jim Mermis Interview

It might be helpful....I have company and have not gotten to read it yet.... ::MonkeyWink::



http://webmail.aol.com/41757/aol/en-us/mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=1.23608646&folder=NewMail&partId=6&saveAs=MarEx-19-SOI-Int.pdf

I tried Lifesong, but I can't open it.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Thank you, Hotping!

I don't do aol - and by that I mean I won't do aol.  Is there a kind monkey out there who will bring this over?




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2009, 01:16:40 PM
Jim Mermis Interview

It might be helpful....I have company and have not gotten to read it yet.... ::MonkeyWink::



http://webmail.aol.com/41757/aol/en-us/mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=1.23608646&folder=NewMail&partId=6&saveAs=MarEx-19-SOI-Int.pdf


Thank you, Hotping!

I don't do aol - and by that I mean I won't do aol.  Is there a kind monkey out there who will bring this over?



I tried Lifesong, but I can't open it.   ::MonkeyConfused::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 01:26:24 PM
It appears that at least one of our prodical monkeys is no longer bowing unconditionally to Lou's justification of Kyle Kingman's own words.  Iris appears to be thinking for herself and ... challenging the status quo.

Janet

++++++


Iris 44
Re: The Cage
« Reply #65 on: Today at 12:43:23 am »


ldstlou,
I can believe that Kyle got caught up in the emotion at first, but why did he keep posting about it much later with the Freebirds?  I wonder what his intentions were at that point.  Were you communicating with him then? 

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.60


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2009, 01:38:09 PM
This is probably a repeat, sorry if it is.  Just putting it out here while I had my fingers on it.
 ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.offshoresource.com/pdf/os_aug_06.pdf

Page 10

Tremendous Growth—
two words that summarize the year at Superior Offshore International “We aggressively attacked the subsea service market in the Gulf of Mexico and invested millions into the company’s core capabilities through new vessel acquisitions, equipment and personnel,” says Jim Mermis, president of Superior Offshore International.  Superior Offshore International provides commercial diving, subsea construction, inspection, maintenance and repair services to the offshore oil and gas industry. Through its specialized fleet and experienced offshore personnel, Superior Offshore provides a broad array of air diving, mixed gas diving and saturation diving services at depths up to 1,000 FSW.  The most evident and possibly the most impressive indication of Superior Offshore’s meteoric growth is reflected in the company’s marine division. Prior to 2005, Superior Offshore’s fleet consisted of the Superior Endeavour, a 265 ft. DPII saturation diving support vessel, or DSV, and one four-point DSV, the Gulf Diver III. In less than a year’s time, Superior Offshore now operates eight vessels, three DPII saturation DSV’s, four 4-point DSV’s, and one utility service vessel, or USV.  “In the subsea service industry, expanding your fleet from two to eight in less than 12 months time is unprecedented,” says Duke Miller, sales manager for Superior Offshore International. “This company responded to the incredible demand for commercial diving services and subsea construction created by the last year’s hurricane season and quickly expanded our resources to service our existing clients and provide solutions for new ones.”  Superior Offshore International’s offshore personnel grew by 300% with a heavy emphasis placed on recruiting some of the best commercial divers in the world and the most experienced project managers in the industry. “Experience is a definite commodity of this company,” says Charles Zamora, operations manager for Superior Offshore International. “With our rapid growth, it was imperative to find experienced professionals who could step in from day one, and spearhead a project turnkey.”  For Superior Offshore, the search for experienced personnel continues onshore. In July of 2006, Superior Offshore International announced the purchase of two new Perry Slingsby Triton-XLS 150 HP ROVs scheduled to begin operations early 2007. “The future of the offshore oil and gas industry is in deep water,” exclaims Mermis, “and through these ROV acquisitions, this company is again extending our offshore capabilities.” The heavy duty work class ROVs extend the company’s work depth to just under 10,000 FSW. By packaging the company’s specialized vessel fleet with both our diving and ROV services, Superior Offshore’s clients will enjoy a full-spectrum of onsite options to complete challenging projects safely and in a cost-effective manner.  “The goal is to offer solutions to our clients, not excuses,” says Mermis.  “Superior Offshore International prides itself on our project management skills that begin from the first project discussion with the client to the execution onsite by our offshore personnel.”  In hindsight, the 2005-2006 company timeframe can also be summarized with only one word- success. “We welcome our clients to explore our new capabilities,” says Mermis. “With our new vessels, equipment, personnel and our developing ROV division, Superior Offshore International has, and will continue to commit to serving offshore energy industry worldwide.”
Superior Offshore International operates its four main divisions of diving services,
construction/fabrication, marine, and navigational aids from its corporate headquarters
in Lafayette, LA and support facilities strategically located throughout Louisiana and
Texas.  For more information, please visit www.superioroffshore.com.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 14, 2009, 01:46:06 PM
Why did Kyle say the FBI was uninvited if there was "someone from Quantico" on board.  This seems a revision of his previous statement.  Quantico is a Marine base adjacent to Washington, D.C.  The FBI Academy is located there, firing ranges and some of the forensic labs.  I doubt agents are dispatched from that location.  Headquarters or field offices would seem more likely.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 14, 2009, 01:48:26 PM
Jim Mermis Interview

It might be helpful....I have company and have not gotten to read it yet.... ::MonkeyWink::



http://webmail.aol.com/41757/aol/en-us/mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=1.23608646&folder=NewMail&partId=6&saveAs=MarEx-19-SOI-Int.pdf


Thank you, Hotping!

I don't do aol - and by that I mean I won't do aol.  Is there a kind monkey out there who will bring this over?



I tried Lifesong, but I can't open it.   ::MonkeyConfused::




Me, either.  It wants me to log in, etc.

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2009, 01:52:07 PM
Jim Mermis Interview

It might be helpful....I have company and have not gotten to read it yet.... ::MonkeyWink::



http://webmail.aol.com/41757/aol/en-us/mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=1.23608646&folder=NewMail&partId=6&saveAs=MarEx-19-SOI-Int.pdf


Thank you, Hotping!

I don't do aol - and by that I mean I won't do aol.  Is there a kind monkey out there who will bring this over?



I tried Lifesong, but I can't open it.   ::MonkeyConfused::




Me, either.  It wants me to log in, etc.

.

I logged in, still couldn't view it.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 14, 2009, 01:56:17 PM
Part of ldstlou's post at GM.  My thoughts in red:

Kyle told me that if there had been evidence in the cage that was related to Natalee, then Dateline would not have been able to show the footage because it would have been evidence in an ongoing investigation. When the divers came up after the Dec 30th dive with the thumbs down sign, there was an agent from Quantico on the boat. Someone from Dateline had asked the agent if there was any evidence related to Natalee and the Quantico agent then told him no which gave Dateline legally, the right to use the footage in their show. So it was the Quantico agent who said there was no evidence in the cage related to Natalee. If there had been evidence related to Natalee's case, Dateline would NOT have been able to show it. (Really?? the Quantico agent could tell right away WITHOUT TESTING that nothing in the cage pertained to Natalee or Joran?  BS, pure BS and you can't possibly believe this))

Next Kyle told me, that indeed Schaefer had planned on doing a documentary on the search. When they found out that Dateline was going to air the footage before they had a chance to sell their documentary, they contacted the FBI to try and get it stopped. I believe that the FBI then called Dateline and said they could not show all of the footage of the dive. This is my understanding of what happened after talking to Kyle. ((Again, I call BS.  Dateline was part of the search from the very beginning starting with shots taken at the dock in LA.  You trying to tell me that Dateline pulled a fast one on all of them?))

I just am not one who believes in a conspiracy theory or any wrong doing in Schaefer wanting to do a documentary of the search for Natalee. They were usurped by Dateline who originally was doing a show on Tim and TES, but who changed the theme of their show to the Persistence and the search before they had a buyer for their own documentary. I also don't believe Schaefer would have made a "lot of money" on the documentary, I believe he was trying to recoup some of the money he had put into the search.

Logic dictates, that IF they had found Natalee in the cage, THEN they certainly would have made a lot of money selling the footage. What is the point in hiding the fact that they found Natalee...there is none!!!  ((There is no logic dictating what you post, only emotion))

I'll likely have more to say after I wake up  ::MonkeyCool::



I only made it to the second sentence.

Kyle Kingman:  "I have not given anything to the FBI since the pictures and statements from Dec 29th.



Kyle said the Arubans uninvited the FBI so who is this newly added mystery Quantico Agent?  A Marine? 

I don't believe anyone would make the sweeping judgment of nothing in the trap without testing the evidence first.  And if this unlikely judgment was made, why would they even bother to dive on the trap?  I am pretty sure they have all seen hermit crabs before.  Or plastic bags. 

No one would know what was in the trap until samples were taken and it was tested.  Hard to believe any FBI agent would be so goofy acting.

In fact, I don't believe it for one minute and Kyle already said the FBI was not invited and so could not participate.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 14, 2009, 01:59:14 PM
It appears that at least one of our prodigal monkeys is no longer bowing unconditionally to Lou's justification of Kyle Kingman's own words.  Iris appears to be thinking for herself and ... challenging the status quo.

Janet

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Re: The Cage
« Reply #65 on: Today at 12:43:23 am »


ldstlou,
I can believe that Kyle got caught up in the emotion at first, but why did he keep posting about it much later with the Freebirds?  I wonder what his intentions were at that point.  Were you communicating with him then? 

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.60



Did Iris submit a complete resume and curriculum vitae?  I thought that was required to post there.  Or is it only the personal information of others that is sought?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 14, 2009, 02:11:24 PM
Why did Kyle say the FBI was uninvited if there was "someone from Quantico" on board.  This seems a revision of his previous statement.  Quantico is a Marine base adjacent to Washington, D.C.  The FBI Academy is located there, firing ranges and some of the forensic labs.  I doubt agents are dispatched from that location.  Headquarters or field offices would seem more likely.



International training exercise, or practicum? 

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/td/academy/itp/itp.htm

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I agree with you, and would not expect a student to be sent without a supervisor to evaluate, just from my educational experience. 
 


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 14, 2009, 02:14:20 PM
It appears that at least one of our prodical monkeys is no longer bowing unconditionally to Lou's justification of Kyle Kingman's own words.  Iris appears to be thinking for herself and ... challenging the status quo.

Janet

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Re: The Cage
« Reply #65 on: Today at 12:43:23 am »


ldstlou,
I can believe that Kyle got caught up in the emotion at first, but why did he keep posting about it much later with the Freebirds?  I wonder what his intentions were at that point.  Were you communicating with him then? 

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.60


Iris is an analyst.  That's what she does.  I believe I read her stating this several times. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 02:14:47 PM
Part of ldstlou's post at GM.  My thoughts in red:

Kyle told me that if there had been evidence in the cage that was related to Natalee, then Dateline would not have been able to show the footage because it would have been evidence in an ongoing investigation. When the divers came up after the Dec 30th dive with the thumbs down sign, there was an agent from Quantico on the boat. Someone from Dateline had asked the agent if there was any evidence related to Natalee and the Quantico agent then told him no which gave Dateline legally, the right to use the footage in their show. So it was the Quantico agent who said there was no evidence in the cage related to Natalee. If there had been evidence related to Natalee's case, Dateline would NOT have been able to show it.

(Really?? the Quantico agent could tell right away WITHOUT TESTING that nothing in the cage pertained to Natalee or Joran?  BS, pure BS and you can't possibly believe this))

<snipped>



In Kyle Kingman's own words he never once implied there was a Quantico agent on board during December 30, 2007 visual dive.

Nevertheless ... as no samples of the trap were recovered at that time  and ... diver Tim Trahan could not conclusively determine the contents ... a Quantico agent would only been able to confirm what the Aruban divers reported ... Aruban divers who were beholding to Rudy Croes ... Rudy Croes who has been behind the coverup that had prevented justice from prevailing since the getgo.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

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DECEMBER 30, 2007 - VISUAL INSPECTION

Kyle Kingman: What you can't see is immediately before Tim approached the trap opening, a large skate stirred up sediment reducing visibility. The quick signal came because the dive time was nearly up.

Kyle Kingman: The famous "thumbs down" - Tim Trahan said he could not conclusively see human skeletal remains. The signals were: One thumb up for skeletal remains (body), two thumbs up for Natalee. When Tim came out of the water as seen on camera in the Dateline special, he was winded from the dive and gave a short answer of "No, nothing". He (along with many of us) were expecting something very clear and immediately identifiable …

Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection  (Dateline and Tim Miller present).

Kyle Kingman:  Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan. We discussed ahead of time 1 thumb up means positively human remains, 2 thumbs up... something conclusively identifying Natalee. When Tim T. gives one thumb down, he said that it was inconclusive. He couldn't tell by his own admission.

Kyle Kingman:  We had an American diver with us on the Dec 30th dive. We were encouraged to do so and invited by the Arubans. I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman:  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap.  Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 14, 2009, 02:16:24 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 14, 2009, 02:19:34 PM
::MonkeyHaHa::  Thanks, Janet!  It'll get better, I hope.  Right now I think we're still in the throw it all upgainst the wall and see what sticks phase.

Speaking of which, I sat down to read the timeline this evening.  I got to Jan. 7th (which is about as far as I usually get) when I had a thought....I wonder what the effects of saltwater on denim are?  Rule in or out the possibility of denim remaining that pliable and unfaded and we're one step closer...

So, I set out to find out.  I now know the difference between the fabrics in a stretch denim skirt and a denim skirt, I've learned about the properties of spandex, and I could describe how PBT, polybutylene terephthalate, a component of spandex is resistant to salt water, and that most stretch denim skirts that I can find contain approx. 1% to 2% spandex.

I cannot tell you how much PBT is in spandex, nor what % of PBT would be required to protect the denim.

 ::MonkeyEek::

SM has a fashion thread.  Monkeys who post on this thread have an indepth knowledge of fabrics.  Maybe they could help you.

Janet

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Fashion and Decorating

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=43.0


Tamikosmom - I just wanted to say Thank You for the link to the fashion thread.  I've posted my questions there, http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4300.msg719829#msg719829

Hopefully someone will know more.  Will post it here if anything interesting comes of it.


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 02:31:04 PM
It appears that at least one of our prodical monkeys is no longer bowing unconditionally to Lou's justification of Kyle Kingman's own words.  Iris appears to be thinking for herself and ... challenging the status quo.

Janet

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Iris 44
Re: The Cage
« Reply #65 on: Today at 12:43:23 am »


ldstlou,
I can believe that Kyle got caught up in the emotion at first, but why did he keep posting about it much later with the Freebirds?  I wonder what his intentions were at that point.  Were you communicating with him then? 

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.60


Iris is an analyst.  That's what she does.  I believe I read her stating this several times. 

At one time Iris was attempting to dismiss Kyle Kingman's own words by  equating them to the imagination of a 14 year old boy.

However ... Iris failed to comprehend that Kyle Kingman is an adult.  is a university graduate.  Kyle has a professional career in oceanography.  Kyle is a husband.  Kyle Kingman is a father.  Kyle held a professional position on board the Persistence ... a position that encompassed his expertise of operating ROVs and analysing the resulting images.  In the summer of 2008 ... Kyle's expertise afforded him positions on oil mapping projects in Norway and Egypt compliments of John Silvetti.   IMO ... above all ... Kyle is a professing Christian.  He has a foundation in the lie and truth ... the wrong and the right.

Janet

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iris44
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #791 1/6/09 -
« Reply #487 on: January 08, 2009, 05:58:05 AM »


If all this Persistence/Kyle conspiracy theory stuff is the real deal, why is the family, the media, etc. not jumping all over it? The more I read all Kyle's "statements" the more he reminds of when my son was 14 and had his own website. I think Kyle the ocean exploring geek has a little make believe world going on, and you're all going along for the ride. …

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4351.msg617328#msg617328


The Search for Natalee Holloway
Monday, November 26, 2007

I. Mobilization
Key Personnel:

 
Louis Shaffer - Project Lead and Key Contributor - Responsible for financial support, planning, public relations, and press coordination.
 
Tim Miller - Texas Equusearch http://www.texasequusearch.org/ - Project Management, gathering support, missing persons specialist

Tim Trahan - Underwater Expeditions - Project Management

John Silvetti - Project Lead and Key Contributor- Responsible for overall project planning and development. Owner of Marine Surveys, LLC . Donated the R/V Persistence for the search effort.
http://silvettigroup.com/

Marc Broussard - Project Manager - Responsible for logistics, personnel, and planning.

Kent Bourg- Party Chief - Responsible for the R/V Persistence operations and safety. Kent will also operate the side scan sonar.

Kyle Kingman - Field Project Manager, Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist - Responsible for side scan sonar acquisition, digital processing, analysis, and target identification. Kyle will assist in side scan sonar operation and guide the ROV (remotely operated vehicle) team to each sonar target.

Dr. Rob Floyd - Marine Geologist /Archaeologist - Responsible for analog sonar data interpretation and analysis and quality control.
Anthony Fontenot - Acoustic Positioning Technician - Responsible for navigation, acoustic tracking, and positioning of the side scan sonar and ROV.

Posted by Kyle Kingman

http://jlbworld.com/files/chapter23/sitedevotedtoseasearch.htm
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html


Kyle Kingman
Geophysicist and Marine Geologist
Greater New York City Area


Current Manager at Kingman Geophysical Solutions
Past Manager at Kingman Geophysical Solutions
Education Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey-New Brunswick

Kyle Kingman’s Summary
Kyle Kingman’s Specialties:
Project Management, Sonar Acquisition, hydrographic survey, data processing, remote sensing data analysis

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 14, 2009, 02:36:03 PM
Why did Kyle say the FBI was uninvited if there was "someone from Quantico" on board.  This seems a revision of his previous statement.  Quantico is a Marine base adjacent to Washington, D.C.  The FBI Academy is located there, firing ranges and some of the forensic labs.  I doubt agents are dispatched from that location.  Headquarters or field offices would seem more likely.



International training exercise, or practicum? 

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/td/academy/itp/itp.htm

********

I agree with you, and would not expect a student to be sent without a supervisor to evaluate, just from my educational experience. 
 

I find it interesting that she always refers to an "agent from Quantico".....never an FBI agent.
Didn't several of the Aruban police force take some training at Quantico?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 14, 2009, 02:36:36 PM
OK...Here's the Jim Mermis interview... My Son got it where I could copy and paste.... ::MonkeyWink::

April 2007 Maritime Executive

Executive interview: Jim Mermis
By Joseph Keefe

CEO of Superior Offshore International, Inc.

The past Two years at Superior Offshore have brought enormous
changes, exponential growth and the formulation of a grand master plan, which promises to launch this firm into the forefront of
the international, deepwater-construction business. Superior is not
yet the biggest of the offshore service providers, but it has long been
recognized for qualities that are arguably far more important: an
uncompromising commitment to corporate safety and core competencies honed though years of practice. The best may be yet to
come. The second quarter of 2007 will bring the long-awaited IPO
which will soon provide the launching pad from which Superior
Offshore International will dive into the next big thing: the international, offshore subsea markets. A debt-free, asset-rich and supremely competent Superior Offshore will make its new debut this year.
And the market is sitting up and taking notice. In our Q&A with
Jim Mermis, President and CEO of Superior Offshore, he talks
about where Superior has been and more importantly, where it is
going. Join us as we explore the company’s exciting story.

34 The MariTiMe execuTive

Executive interview: Jim Mermis
I enrolled in Tulane University in their
executive MBA program. So, I spent


MarEx: Superior’s roots are
firmly planted in the business
of diving. The company is more
than that now—much more
than that. I think it would be
useful for our readers to see
where the firm has been, before
we talk about where it is going.
Can you give us a brief history of
your diverse firm?

JM: Louis Schaefer, our founder,
has been in the diving business
since the early 1970s. It’s been

18 months of my working life working
14 hours a day and going to school
at the same time to get an executive
MBA. So, I guess, realistically, I’m one
of the guys who started out at the top,
jumped in the water, went to the bottom and finally came back to the top

again.


what projects we’re going after
and how we’re going to move
ahead with all of that.

MarEx: So, it’s now a five–man,
executive committee, once the
COO is on board?

JM: Yes, and after we go public,
we’ll have a five-man, independent
board of directors, all of whom
have various backgrounds and
expertise. James Persky will head
the financial audit committee.
Eric Smith came from Saipan and

a small diving company and in fact, he didn’t have vessels
for most of that time. I started with the company since
2005 and I’ve been here almost two years. Louis had one
four-point boat when I started and he’d taken a dynamically–positioned, saturation-support dive vessel named
the Mansel 18 on a spot-charter basis. That was right after
Hurricane Ivan. I came in somewhere in the middle, in
between Ivan and Katrina. So, when I came on board, I
had a little more international and deepwater background
than Louis. I brought some people with me and obviously
after Katrina, that’s when our real growth started.

MarEx: Let me follow up with that. You are a privately-
held firm and the internal workings of your firm are
largely proprietary in nature. At least they are, right now.
But MarEx readers are going to want to get a sense of how
your organizational chart looks and the executive makeup
of the firm in particular. Louis Schaefer is the founder of
the company and chairman of the board. You’re the CEO.
Can you give us a feel for how you run the company on an
executive basis?

JM: Sure. While Louis hasn’t exactly taken a step back, he
has let me take the reigns and run the company on a day-today basis. He’s also let me take the company and steer it in
the direction that we’re headed. And, we’re headed into the
international, and more importantly, the deepwater markets.
I talk to Louis at least once a day—maybe twice—but the
day-to-day business myself and the management committee
pretty much run the show. Any major decision that might
affect the company economically or operationally, then we’ll
bring Louis in and make a group decision and move ahead.

MarEx: When you say “the management committee,” what
are we talking about?

JM: Essentially, the management committee is made
up of myself, Roger Burks, our CFO, Joshua Koch, and
of course, Louis. We just recently hired a COO, Petrice
Chemin—I’ve known him for years and he’s got thirty
years in the business, primarily with Stolt Comex Seaway.
Beyond that, we’ve got our individual department managers: operations manager, diving manager, our ROV manager. But it is the executive management committee who
steers the company and decides the direction we’re going,

McDermott and is currently teaching at Tulane University.
We’ve got Leon Cordon who’s already on the board of the
Singapore Oil Company. Tommy Coleman will also join our
board—he’s the head of a large tanker terminal company.

MarEx: Let’s focus on you for a minute. Nobody likes to
blow their own horn but the readers and, I am sure, your
future investors are going to know what skill package is
going to be running Superior Offshore. What makes you
well suited to run the firm and take it to the next level?

JM: I actually started out as a diver in 1975 with Subsea
International. And I worked my way up through the ranks
and eventually transitioned offshore and became offshore
operations manager. When Global Industries purchased
Subsea, I wanted to learn about the deepwater business
so I went to work for Stolt Comex Seaway as operations
manager. And then during my tenure with them I was a
senior project manager and actually ran deepwater and
international projects for them as well as operations.
Shortly thereafter, I went to Torch Offshore. Torch wanted
to get into the deepwater markets and they essentially
hired me to run their new-build vessels. At that point, the
market went south and Torch chose not to go public. So
I did deepwater business development for Torch for three
years. Eventually, Torch did go public and I think everyone
knows the story. They didn’t make it and went bankrupt.
Somewhere along in the middle of all that, in 2000,
I enrolled in Tulane University in their executive MBA program. So, I spent 18 months of my working life working 14
hours a day and going to school at the same time to get an
executive MBA. So, I guess, realistically, I’m one of the guys
who started out at the top, jumped in the water, went to
the bottom and finally came back to the top again.

MarEx: You’ve managed at a publicly-traded firm before.
So, tell us how you think things are going to change once
you’ve gotten past the IPO, not only in terms of your
management style, but also in the actual decision-making
process. A privately-held firm can sometimes be nimble and quick, while a publicly-traded company has to
answer to many masters. What will change and what will
stay the same?

JM: Well, we are going to be responsible to our sharehold

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The MariTiMe execuTive 35

Executive interview: Jim Mermismarexmarexmarexers up to a point. Major deci-
sions, of course, will have to be
run past our board of direc-
tors. I think that the day-to-
day business and the growth
opportunities that we have,
we’ll be able to do that just as
we do now. What is impor-
tant to us is that we have made
the big capital commitment
of the Superior Achiever, our
deepwater-construction vessel.
So, through our capital expen-
Helix owns. Caldive doesn’t. We
also supply deepwater assets in a
deepwater capacity. Helix owns
assets; Caldive doesn’t. What
really works for us, though, in
our entry into deepwater, is that
deepwater-construction contrac-
tors and even the E&V companies
do not look at us as competition.
In some manner, the deepwater-
construction guys look at Caldive
as competition because they’re
70% owned by Helix—the guy
…everyone wants to compare us to
Caldive; whereas Caldive really isn’t
comparable to us. We supply diving
services; so do they. We supply diving
services internationally; so do they.
But, we supply deepwater-construc-
tion services through an ROV compa-
ny, through the ROV’s we own and that
Helix owns. Caldive doesn’t.
diture plan—our strategic plan—we don’t have to come
up with any other major capital expenditures in way of
vessels or acquisitions. We’ve aligned ourselves with different contractors within the industry. We’ve put together
cooperative agreements, we continually take on third-party
vessels, and essentially what that amounts to is that it gives
us equipment to operate within the industry that we don’t
necessarily own and that we don’t necessarily have a long-
term commitment in. We’ll do this through short-term
vessel charters, cooperation agreements and I’m trying to
put into place basically in a low-risk basis. You can think
of it as a joint venture. We each enter the business together.
If the barge is not working, I don’t have to pay for it. If my
equipment isn’t working, the other contractor is not being
paid, so we both have a vested interest to make sure the
asset goes to work. If we don’t go to work, neither one of
us gets paid.

MarEx: You’ve got to sell yourself. Everyone of us has to sell
ourselves every day. What’s the number one thing you are
going to have to sell to the investors on the day that you
go public?

JM: It’s probably not what you want to put in the magazine. But, we have to differentiate ourselves from the competition.

MarEx: Well, that was another question on my list, but let’s
combine the two into one answer then.

JM: Well, you have to look at us and the services we offer.
We’ve expanded our core services in the Gulf of Mexico
and we’ve gone from 60 divers to 665 people offshore.
We’ve identified the fact that in the Gulf of Mexico, while
there’s still plenty of work for everyone for the next five
years, we’re not going to put all our eggs in one basket.
We’ve identified that in order for us to grow, we’re going to
have to enter the international markets, but more importantly, the deepwater markets. So, the real driving picture
for us and where we get our multiples from is that everyone wants to compare us to Caldive; whereas Caldive really
isn’t comparable to us. We supply diving services; so do
they. We supply diving services internationally; so do they.
But, we supply deepwater-construction services through
an ROV company, through the ROV’s we own and that

that’s bidding on the same contracts that they’re bidding
on. I think Helix’s entry into the production business is
starting to be looked upon by the majors—and maybe
even some independents—as a competitor or competitive
business. The key for us and our entry into the deepwater-
construction business is that fact that we can work for the
deepwater-construction contractors. Helix is getting in
their bids. We don’t want to be competition to the deepwater-construction contractors. We want to supplement what
they do. Consequently, I’m going to get five or six bids
from those contractors to provide ROV’s, divers or even
the Superior Achiever in support of the deepwater projects
that they are pursuing.

MarEx: When I talked to Louis Schaefer, he alluded to all
of this, especially in terms of Caldive and their parent company. But, you mentioned another part of the equation.

JM: One of the other things that separates us from the
competition is that we’ve experienced this tremendous
growth within the last couple of years. If you look at our
key people—project managers, executive team, offshore
superintendents and supervisors, and even the divers—
very few of those people have worked here for more than
two years. But, you take a look at the rest of the people
that we have, and they have fifteen, twenty years experience—not at Superior, but instead, at Caldive, Global,
Stolt, everywhere throughout the industry. So, what that’s
allowed us to do is to bring on those individuals on board
with all these years of experience. We’ve taken all these
combined “best practices” from wherever they’ve worked
previously, put them on the table, and essentially we’ve cut
and snipped at these practices and made them our own.
At the end of the day, we’ve got a combination of the best
practices of all the different companies that we compete
against. Because of this, and with the deep experience of
our people, I think that we can give a better product to our
clients.

MarEx: Okay. Well, that wasn’t really where I was headed
with that question, but let’s shift gears and ask a similar
question. I had a terrific talk with Louis Schaefer a couple
of weeks ago and really enjoyed it. But, Louis calls Superior
Offshore the industry’s “leader in safety.” He talked about

36 The MariTiMe execuTive

Executive interview: Jim Mermis
And what’s really significant for us is
the fact that we’ve gone from 60 personnel to over 660 working offshore in


his early passion with safety and
how one of the things he realized
early on was that he would not
do a job if he couldn’t do it safely.
And if he had to cut back on
production, then he would favor
safety over operational efficiencies. Can you expand a little bit
on that?

JM: Sure. Safety goes hand in
hand with success in this business. You’re not going to be an
unsafe company and continue

just a couple of years. Our total recordable incident rate in 2005, spanning
546,000 man-hours offshore, was
a 1.46. In 2006 we had 1,118,000
man-hours working offshore and our
total recordable incident rate actually
dropped to a 1.07.

you take a look at Subtech, and
what they bring to the mix is 260
South-African and European
divers that work to a different
standard, an international standard. Realistically, they work to
the standard that we are going
to have to attain, in order to
do international work—to do
deepwater-construction work. So,
Subtech is kind of a shift in our
mentality. They’ve brought a lot
of policies and procedures and

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to have the kind of opportunities that Superior has. If you
start to take a look at some of our clients—the Shells, the
Chevrons, and the BPs, the big players in this world—
those majors have higher safety standards than anyone
else in the industry. Consequently, we not only meet
those standards but we far surpass the standards that they
require. And what’s really significant for us is the fact that
we’ve gone from 60 personnel to over 660 working offshore in just a couple of years. Our total recordable incident rate in 2005, spanning 546,000 man-hours offshore,
was a 1.46. In 2006 we had 1,118,000 man-hours working
offshore and our total recordable incident rate actually
dropped to a 1.07.
(Editor’s note: OSHA defines the Total Incident Rate as
a mathematical calculation that describes the number of
recordable incidents that a company experiences per 100
full-time employees in any given time frame.)

MarEx: Just so I get it right and our readers understand,
what exactly does a 1.07 mean?

JM: It’s an OSHA formula and here’s how it works. First of
all, the OSHA standard says that you have to have a total
recordable incident rate of less than 2.0. Look, we’re committed to safety, our numbers prove that and because we’re
a safe company, this allows us to go to work for the BPs
and the Chevrons of the world.

MarEx: You’ve recently announced that you’ve acquired
another diving company, Subtech Diving and Marine, based
in Durban, South Africa. Obviously, you’re going to bring
some things to their portfolio and they’re hopefully going to
bring some things to yours. You’ve said previously that it is
your goal to move into the deepwater and the international
markets, globalizing the Superior brand name. Talk about
this move, the synergies you’ll create and how all of that fits
into your long and short-term strategies.

JM: You know, interestingly enough, if you look at the
companies we work for—the majors, the independents,
the subsea-construction companies in the Gulf of Mexico—we’ve taken our core business of diving and we’ve
parlayed that into ROV’s, deepwater assets. This has given
us the opportunity to work not only for these clients, but
also to get into the international, deepwater markets. Then,

key individuals that have allowed us to make the transition
from where we are now at, to where we are now going.
They’ve got a kind of European mentality—they’re more
policy and procedure driven. They operate just a little bit
differently than we did before we picked them up. Subtech
also has offices in the Middle East and in Africa, so they
bring a client base to the mix, as well.

MarEx: You bought them. What do you bring to the table?
Would it be fair to say that you brought the assets and
financial wherewithal to help them expand on what they
already do well?

JM: You hit the nail right on the head.
MarEx: Talk about the European standard of diving operations that you’ve alluded to. It sounds like Louis has been
running a pretty tight ship here no matter what standard
you’re adhering to now. But, the European standard seems
to be a different one. Let’s talk about it.

JM: Well, first of all, it’s a different mentality. The European standard pretty much sticks with deepwater projects.
We’re already supplying divers to the world’s biggest, semi-
submersible DP derrick barge and I think the day rate on
that project is somewhere around $800,000 a day. When
you are dealing with an asset that costs $800,000 per day,
you definitely want all the “i’s” dotted and the “t’s” crossed.
Everything is based in risk assessment—and every step in
a project is planned. Historically, in the Gulf of Mexico,
you had a plan, but you jumped in the water, did the work,
and away you go. The European standard incorporates far
more planning, far more engineering and this better fits
the high-dollar projects that we’re striving to do.

MarEx: You are already starting to integrate this into your
standard operating procedures, yes?

JM: That’s correct. Our in-house training facilities train
all of our new people who come on board. Right now, if
you come on board at Superior as an offshore superintendent or an offshore supervisor of any sort, the odds are
pretty good that if we don’t know you, then you’ll be sent
out onto one of our vessels to work alongside one of our
Superior employees who knows how we operate. And, he’s
going to watch you operate before you get the green light
go ahead and run that boat or job on your own. We do

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this at our own cost, but once
again, you look at the number
of people and jobs that we have
going on, and the practice pays
for itself over the long haul.
Depending on the individual,
this side-by-side redundant
training can go on for as long
as a month and no less than
two weeks.

MarEx: Let’s talk about your
hurricane response work.
Katrina was, and probably still

A structure may be laying on its side
and although the storm cap has been
checked, it’s still a live well. So, for

as the future of Superior Offshore

five years, we’re going to clean up the International. Now, that’s big talk
for a firm that has three other

junk and after that, let’s say we only thriving divisions. Tell us why the

take one-quarter of the wells and put deepwater division is so impor

tant to you and also let the readers them back into production, then the know how you intend to make the

Superior Achiever the workhorse

Achiever is the kind of boat that can for this goal.

JM: The future of the industry

do that. She’s designed for modular is in deepwater. If you remem

construction.


is, a large portion of your work. Louis Schaefer has said that
it was Ivan that put you on the map and that event was
how and when you realized the full power and capabilities
of the firm. He also outlined for me the operational readiness that allowed Superior to respond during Katrina, where
perhaps, others couldn’t. So, you are very well known for
this. But, what’s going to be the next big thing that Superior
is going to be known for, beyond your obvious competence
in your core businesses?

JM: You know, I’ll tell you, we recently had a fatality—a
devastating event for us and for our people. Superior had
never had a fatality in its forty-year history. But we have
done in response is pretty much unheard of in the United
States and the industry. We studied that fatality, spent a
lot of time and money to determine just what happened.
The Coast Guard has investigated; Vanuatu, the flag state,
has investigated. We’re still waiting for the Vanuatu and
the Coast Guard report. But what we’ve done is to step up
within the industry and have made what we know about
that fatality public knowledge. We have gone to our clients,
we’ve gone to our employees, and we’ve said: this is what’s
happened, this is why it happened and this is going to be
what we’re going to do to make sure that it never happens
again. We would never try to turn a fatality into something
that eventually will translate into an economic positive, but
this fatality could have had a tremendous negative impact
on the company and possibly prevented us from moving ahead with the IPO. So, what I think what Superior is
going to be known for is that we’re a “black-and-white”
company; we put things on the line, we tell you like it is,
we don’t sugarcoat anything. We tell you the truth and if
that’s boring, then that’s what it is.

MarEx: Where would you say your best overseas opportunities exist in the near-term future?

JM: As I’ve already said, the opportunity for us is to build
on the relationships that we already have. Realistically,
we’re looking at Mexico, South America, Africa and the
Middle East are where we’re going to try to concentrate on.
We already have relationships in those regions and we have
people that work for us that have contacts in those areas.

MarEx:The Superior Achiever is described on your Web site

ber before Hurricane Ivan and

some in the industry call it “St.
Ivan” because it revived and literally saved the industry.
Before Ivan, everyone was headed for deepwater within
the Gulf of Mexico and out of the Gulf into Deepwater,
internationally. The work in the Gulf of Mexico—there’s
still plenty of it, but the future of the industry is in deepwater. That’s because deepwater has barely been touched.
We have two opportunities with the Achiever: we can
go to work for the deepwater-construction contractors.
What makes the Achiever an extremely desirable vessel is
that within the niche that she’s designed for, she can do
anything, anywhere in the world. We’re not going to go
out there and reel off 10,000 feet of 10” diameter pipe in
10,000 feet of water but what we are going to do is go out
there and support the deepwater contractor that’s reeling
off that pipe. We’re going to be able to do the subsea tie-
ins; we’re going to be able to do the infrastructure more
quickly and a lot cheaper than they can. The other opportunity for the Achiever is that we’ll put it into deepwater,
where there are 113 toppled platforms in the Gulf of Mexico, in anywhere from 700’ of water all the way to shallow
water. If you look at the toppled structures, it translates
into probably 2,000 wells that have been toppled, as well. A
structure may be laying on its side and although the storm
cap has been checked, it’s still a live well. So, for five years,
we’re going to clean up the junk and after that, let’s say we
only take one-quarter of the wells and put them back into
production, then the Achiever is the kind of boat that can
do that. She’s designed for modular construction. She can
reel off four, six-inch diameter pipes in 1,800 feet per hour.
That’s 500 tie-backs. You’ve got that work to look at, you’ve
got the work in support of the deepwater contractors, but
she’s also been designed with equipment that will allow her
to construct her own SAV system on deck with four lifts of
the crane. And that’s using her own crane. So, we can sail
for Africa and have our SAV system on deck and we can do
shallow-water support work. If the opportunity comes to
support the deepwater contractors, then we take our crane
and we lift the modular system off the deck in four lifts.
So, while I say that the future is deepwater, we also have no
intention of relinquishing any of our shallow-water work
or anything else we’ve always done. But, at the end of the

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MarEx: The Achiever is going to be ready when?
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year and everything is still on track for delivery in June
of 2008.


MarEx: Okay, so here’s my next question for you. Right in
line with your deepwater mission and international aspirations, it looks to me that there’s plenty of work for the Superior
Achiever. Are you going to wait for her to come out and start
working and get committed to some long-term work, or are
you going to go ahead and start building that second vessel?

JM: Well, this might be where you hear a little different
story between what Louis (Schaefer) tells you and what I
tell you. The Superior Achiever, at $130 million, is a tremendous capital investment for us. Look around at the
industry and you’ll read about all of the vessels and capacity that are going to be delivered in 2009 and 2010. I think
that the way I see the company growing, we’ve got to shore
up and do better what we do now—we’ve got to step and
take hold in the international and deepwater markets now.
We can’t wait for the Achiever to come out. If we do that,
we can still have that growth and the ramp up without the
capital commitment or another acquisition. We’ll do this
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line with long-term charters. I think the key is, at least how
I see it, there’s going to be an overcapacity of construction
equipment and new-build vessels come 2010 and I think
that’s going to be an opportunity for us. And, this is where
perhaps Louis and I don’t necessarily see eye-to-eye, rather
than wait for two years for our own new build, there’s
going to be an opportunity to pick up on somebody else’s
new build who doesn’t necessarily have the wherewithal to
continue to operate. And here’s the other thing: you can
build new vessels all day long but there’s a limited supply of
qualified personnel to operate these boats.

MarEx: So, as I understand it, you’re going to continue to
charter in equipment and eventually, you’ll have your own
vessel, the Achiever, which because of modifications you’ve


The diving group provides divers, obviously,
but they also provide management for 80%
of the projects that we work on. The ROV
division will be a stand-alone division and
we in fact have a deepwater ROV boat and
we have a 150-HP, 3,000-meter ROV on the

Yens Surveyor.

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out there. Then, you’ll charter in at a cheap rate and keep those
charters busy, based on your experience and contacts, and play
off the confidence that the majors have in your core competencies and experience.


JM: That’s absolutely right.
MarEx: We’ve talked a lot about where you want to go and
that appears to be deepwater and the international markets,
in particular. I understand that this year you’ll do about $340
million in business. Tell us where you see those numbers, five or
ten years down the road.


JM: Well, we certainly hope that five to ten years down the
road, we’re doing a billion dollars annually.

MarEx: Let’s talk about your legacy work – the diving aspect of
your business. What is the future of that aspect of your
business?

JM: The diving group provides divers, obviously, but they
also provide management for 80% of the projects that we
work on. The ROV division will be a stand-alone division and
we in fact have a deepwater ROV boat and we have a 150HP, 3,000-meter ROV on the Yens Surveyor. We also have a
marine department that basically manages all of our ships,
crewing, maintenance and repair, dry-docking and all of the
upgrades. And then we have the fabrication division. This
stand-alone fabrication division gives us a significant advantage with the competition. Basically, that division is able to
build diving system, saturation equipment, perform fabrication for our clients and in this way, we provide a seamless,
start-to-finish job. Doing the fabrication in house, we make
sure it is delivered on time and then the client can go into
production.

MarEx: So the fabrication division provides for “turnkey”
solutions, in conjunction with your other divisions?

JM: That’s right.
MarEx: What about the deepwater division?
JM: Well, right now, the deepwater division falls into the
ROV division. The deepwater division is something building
now for the future, starting before the end of this year. We’ll
be bringing in engineering and deepwater-project managers
so that we can fully integrate the new build and make sure
everything is structurally the way we want it to be.

MarEx: We’ll look forward to seeing your visions go forward –
Thank you for your time today.

JM: My pleasure. MarEx


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2009, 02:42:24 PM
Why did Kyle say the FBI was uninvited if there was "someone from Quantico" on board.  This seems a revision of his previous statement.  Quantico is a Marine base adjacent to Washington, D.C.  The FBI Academy is located there, firing ranges and some of the forensic labs.  I doubt agents are dispatched from that location.  Headquarters or field offices would seem more likely.



International training exercise, or practicum? 

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/td/academy/itp/itp.htm

********

I agree with you, and would not expect a student to be sent without a supervisor to evaluate, just from my educational experience. 
 

I find it interesting that she always refers to an "agent from Quantico".....never an FBI agent.
Didn't several of the Aruban police force take some training at Quantico?

Yes, including Dompig IIRC. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 14, 2009, 02:44:20 PM
Why did Kyle say the FBI was uninvited if there was "someone from Quantico" on board.  This seems a revision of his previous statement.  Quantico is a Marine base adjacent to Washington, D.C.  The FBI Academy is located there, firing ranges and some of the forensic labs.  I doubt agents are dispatched from that location.  Headquarters or field offices would seem more likely.



International training exercise, or practicum? 

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/td/academy/itp/itp.htm

********

I agree with you, and would not expect a student to be sent without a supervisor to evaluate, just from my educational experience. 
 

I find it interesting that she always refers to an "agent from Quantico".....never an FBI agent.
Didn't several of the Aruban police force take some training at Quantico?
Dompig trained at Quantico.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2009, 02:45:47 PM


Thanks Hotping!  And thank your son for us too!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 02:48:44 PM
Why did Kyle say the FBI was uninvited if there was "someone from Quantico" on board.  This seems a revision of his previous statement.  Quantico is a Marine base adjacent to Washington, D.C.  The FBI Academy is located there, firing ranges and some of the forensic labs.  I doubt agents are dispatched from that location.  Headquarters or field offices would seem more likely.



International training exercise, or practicum? 

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/td/academy/itp/itp.htm

********

I agree with you, and would not expect a student to be sent without a supervisor to evaluate, just from my educational experience. 
 

I find it interesting that she always refers to an "agent from Quantico".....never an FBI agent.
Didn't several of the Aruban police force take some training at Quantico?

Great Catch!!

Magnolia ... Lou is deceptively giving the impression there was an official American observr on board the Persistence representing the cause of justice for Natalee.  In other words ... if the guy from Quantico says there was nothing case related in the trap then ... there was nothing case related in the trap.

It does not seem to concern Lou that according to Kyle Kingman's own words ... the remains of Natalee Holloway could possibly have been in that trap and ... only the Arubans ... whether or not they were trained at Quantico ... took an active participation in the visual and recovery dives.

Lou ... I do not understand where you are coming from.  Natalee Holloway and her family should take priority over protecting Kyle Kingman and John Silvetti.

Janet

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: San on March 14, 2009, 02:52:35 PM
Part of ldstlou's post at GM.  My thoughts in red:

Kyle told me that if there had been evidence in the cage that was related to Natalee, then Dateline would not have been able to show the footage because it would have been evidence in an ongoing investigation. When the divers came up after the Dec 30th dive with the thumbs down sign, there was an agent from Quantico on the boat. Someone from Dateline had asked the agent if there was any evidence related to Natalee and the Quantico agent then told him no which gave Dateline legally, the right to use the footage in their show. So it was the Quantico agent who said there was no evidence in the cage related to Natalee. If there had been evidence related to Natalee's case, Dateline would NOT have been able to show it. (Really?? the Quantico agent could tell right away WITHOUT TESTING that nothing in the cage pertained to Natalee or Joran?  BS, pure BS and you can't possibly believe this))

Next Kyle told me, that indeed Schaefer had planned on doing a documentary on the search. When they found out that Dateline was going to air the footage before they had a chance to sell their documentary, they contacted the FBI to try and get it stopped. I believe that the FBI then called Dateline and said they could not show all of the footage of the dive. This is my understanding of what happened after talking to Kyle. ((Again, I call BS.  Dateline was part of the search from the very beginning starting with shots taken at the dock in LA.  You trying to tell me that Dateline pulled a fast one on all of them?))

I just am not one who believes in a conspiracy theory or any wrong doing in Schaefer wanting to do a documentary of the search for Natalee. They were usurped by Dateline who originally was doing a show on Tim and TES, but who changed the theme of their show to the Persistence and the search before they had a buyer for their own documentary. I also don't believe Schaefer would have made a "lot of money" on the documentary, I believe he was trying to recoup some of the money he had put into the search.

Logic dictates, that IF they had found Natalee in the cage, THEN they certainly would have made a lot of money selling the footage. What is the point in hiding the fact that they found Natalee...there is none!!!  ((There is no logic dictating what you post, only emotion))

I'll likely have more to say after I wake up  ::MonkeyCool::


Maybe the Agent said no to get the footage released.  If he said yes they couldn't use the footage.  Did the FBI agent lie on purpose so the world would see what the Aruban's were up to.  Something was in the cage whether it was Natalee or not.

Quote
When the divers came up after the Dec 30th dive with the thumbs down sign, there was an agent from Quantico on the boat. Someone from Dateline had asked the agent if there was any evidence related to Natalee and the Quantico agent then told him no which gave Dateline legally, the right to use the footage in their show.

Also, I believe HotShot said there was a corrupt FBI agent on the dive.

Quote by HotShot:

Quote
His own words WERE taken out of context, and yes there was an FBI guy he was working with.  He has been taken off the case, and he was as corrupt as the Arubans.


Why would you call the FBI to try and have it stopped.  Wouldn't this be a matter for the courts.

Quote
Next Kyle told me, that indeed Schaefer had planned on doing a documentary on the search. When they found out that Dateline was going to air the footage before they had a chance to sell their documentary, they contacted the FBI to try and get it stopped.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 14, 2009, 02:54:21 PM
YW TM......And My Son says no problem and YW....

About The Quantico thing seems like I remember Hotshit or Lou saying something like the FBI agent that Kyle was working with turned out to be crooked or something....Does Anybody Else remember this.....  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 14, 2009, 03:02:24 PM
YW TM......And My Son says no problem and YW....

About The Quantico thing seems like I remember Hotshit or Lou saying something like the FBI agent that Kyle was working with turned out to be crooked or something....Does Anybody Else remember this.....  ::MonkeyEek::

Dennis Shipley is the only FBI agent I have seen mentioned regarding the Persistence.
I have never seen anything that said he was aboard the ship.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 14, 2009, 03:03:14 PM
Why did Kyle say the FBI was uninvited if there was "someone from Quantico" on board.  This seems a revision of his previous statement.  Quantico is a Marine base adjacent to Washington, D.C.  The FBI Academy is located there, firing ranges and some of the forensic labs.  I doubt agents are dispatched from that location.  Headquarters or field offices would seem more likely.



International training exercise, or practicum? 

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/td/academy/itp/itp.htm

********

I agree with you, and would not expect a student to be sent without a supervisor to evaluate, just from my educational experience. 
 

I find it interesting that she always refers to an "agent from Quantico".....never an FBI agent.
Didn't several of the Aruban police force take some training at Quantico?

Yes, we were told repeatedly that many of the Arubans had trained at Quantico.  I believe Dompig even brags about that.  Might be in the interview where he is upset that Beth does not seem adequately impressed with him as a man to suit him.

This "Quantico agent" is a contention added long after the fact and I do believe one of convenience as earlier Kyle said they were uninvited.  Only when needed does the presence of one appear.  And one with magic vision similar to that of Tim Trahan in that it only takes a visual to know if remains are present.  Maybe he could also map DNA at a glance as well?

Would be laughable if not for the fact that someone's remains are at stake.  And I just know the FBI has agents hanging around on boats for months at the time.  But those remains are just what was at stake and therefore this is very dire undertakings.  Not to be glibbly sold to whomever they could get on board to film, etc.

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyRoll::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 14, 2009, 03:04:54 PM
Part of ldstlou's post at GM.  My thoughts in red:

Kyle told me that if there had been evidence in the cage that was related to Natalee, then Dateline would not have been able to show the footage because it would have been evidence in an ongoing investigation. When the divers came up after the Dec 30th dive with the thumbs down sign, there was an agent from Quantico on the boat. Someone from Dateline had asked the agent if there was any evidence related to Natalee and the Quantico agent then told him no which gave Dateline legally, the right to use the footage in their show. So it was the Quantico agent who said there was no evidence in the cage related to Natalee. If there had been evidence related to Natalee's case, Dateline would NOT have been able to show it. (Really?? the Quantico agent could tell right away WITHOUT TESTING that nothing in the cage pertained to Natalee or Joran?  BS, pure BS and you can't possibly believe this))

Next Kyle told me, that indeed Schaefer had planned on doing a documentary on the search. When they found out that Dateline was going to air the footage before they had a chance to sell their documentary, they contacted the FBI to try and get it stopped. I believe that the FBI then called Dateline and said they could not show all of the footage of the dive. This is my understanding of what happened after talking to Kyle. ((Again, I call BS.  Dateline was part of the search from the very beginning starting with shots taken at the dock in LA.  You trying to tell me that Dateline pulled a fast one on all of them?))

I just am not one who believes in a conspiracy theory or any wrong doing in Schaefer wanting to do a documentary of the search for Natalee. They were usurped by Dateline who originally was doing a show on Tim and TES, but who changed the theme of their show to the Persistence and the search before they had a buyer for their own documentary. I also don't believe Schaefer would have made a "lot of money" on the documentary, I believe he was trying to recoup some of the money he had put into the search.

Logic dictates, that IF they had found Natalee in the cage, THEN they certainly would have made a lot of money selling the footage. What is the point in hiding the fact that they found Natalee...there is none!!!  ((There is no logic dictating what you post, only emotion))

I'll likely have more to say after I wake up  ::MonkeyCool::


Maybe the Agent said no to get the footage released.  If he said yes they couldn't use the footage.  Did the FBI agent lie on purpose so the world would see what the Aruban's were up to.  Something was in the cage whether it was Natalee or not.

Quote
When the divers came up after the Dec 30th dive with the thumbs down sign, there was an agent from Quantico on the boat. Someone from Dateline had asked the agent if there was any evidence related to Natalee and the Quantico agent then told him no which gave Dateline legally, the right to use the footage in their show.

Also, I believe HotShot said there was a corrupt FBI agent on the dive.

Quote by HotShot:

Quote
His own words WERE taken out of context, and yes there was an FBI guy he was working with.  He has been taken off the case, and he was as corrupt as the Arubans.


Why would you call the FBI to try and have it stopped.  Wouldn't this be a matter for the courts.

Quote
Next Kyle told me, that indeed Schaefer had planned on doing a documentary on the search. When they found out that Dateline was going to air the footage before they had a chance to sell their documentary, they contacted the FBI to try and get it stopped.
Yes San Your Quote above by Hotshot is what I was thinking of...Thank You... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2009, 03:07:51 PM
YW TM......And My Son says no problem and YW....

About The Quantico thing seems like I remember Hotshit or Lou saying something like the FBI agent that Kyle was working with turned out to be crooked or something....Does Anybody Else remember this.....  ::MonkeyEek::

Yes!  I'm thinking he was supposedly from Barbados? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 14, 2009, 03:09:20 PM
YW TM......And My Son says no problem and YW....

About The Quantico thing seems like I remember Hotshit or Lou saying something like the FBI agent that Kyle was working with turned out to be crooked or something....Does Anybody Else remember this.....  ::MonkeyEek::


There have been rumors throughout about the alleged "crooked" FBI agent.  At one time it was even contended that he was present at the rock painting!

And yet, no one knows his name or where he came from or how he was assigned to this all in the first place especially considering that even FBI has to be invited into a foreign country.  And this one is one of the very few that failed to issue that invitation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 03:09:59 PM
Why did Kyle say the FBI was uninvited if there was "someone from Quantico" on board.  This seems a revision of his previous statement.  Quantico is a Marine base adjacent to Washington, D.C.  The FBI Academy is located there, firing ranges and some of the forensic labs.  I doubt agents are dispatched from that location.  Headquarters or field offices would seem more likely.



I believe that Lou is attempting to imply that a forensic expert who was  sent from the FBI Lab in Quantico, Virginia was on board the Persistence.

However ... Magnolia's suspicions that Lou is deceptively referring to an Aruban diver or Aruban official who was trained at Quantico was on board.

There was not one observr on board the Persistence who was present in an official capacity to represent Natalee Holloway and her family.

When all was said and done ... Kyle Kingman ... prior to backtracking ... is the only observr on board the Persistence who has taken action on behalf of Natalee Holloway and her family ... taken actions by revealing in his own words the John Silvetti betrayal.

Janet

+++++++++

Aruba Cops Search Dutch Suspect's Home
Wednesday, June 15, 2005


An FBI spokeswoman confirmed to FOX News that Aruban officials have not requested more evidence processing at the bureau's lab in Quantico, Va. The FBI had been asked to process what was believed to be blood found in a car belonging to one of the suspects, but after testing, it was determined not to be blood.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159601,00.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 14, 2009, 03:14:46 PM
YW TM......And My Son says no problem and YW....

About The Quantico thing seems like I remember Hotshit or Lou saying something like the FBI agent that Kyle was working with turned out to be crooked or something....Does Anybody Else remember this.....  ::MonkeyEek::

Dennis Shipley is the only FBI agent I have seen mentioned regarding the Persistence.
I have never seen anything that said he was aboard the ship.

To correct myself.

Douglas Shipley is the only FBI agent I have seen mentioned regarding the Persistence.
I have never seen anything that said he was aboard the ship.
[/quote]


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 14, 2009, 03:19:46 PM

I'm sorry, guys, but I just think we're giving her entirely too much attention.

It is obvious that if there were an FBI agent on board the Persistence, Kyle Kingman would have mentioned that to the Freebirds during his recounting of the events of those days.  He did not.

IF Kyle even told this to her, it is an after-the-fact fabrication, imo.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 14, 2009, 03:25:20 PM
Regarding the fatality Mermis mentioned in Hotping's post:

February 3, 2007

Fatality:

Saturation Diver with Superior Offshore International in the Gulf of Mexico.  No further details available at this time.  Reported by:  Superior Offshore International; Reported to:  USCG, MS, ADCI.

http://www.adc-int.org/safe.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 14, 2009, 03:28:29 PM
Subtech also mentioned in Hotping's post.

http://www.subtech.co.za/content/view/60/17/

February 2008

The previous owners of Subtech Diving and Marine have negotiated the buy back of Superior Offshore South Africa from Superior Offshore International Inc. The company will trade as Subtech (Pty) Ltd from the 1st March 2008 and will continue to focus on marine civil construction, salvage, ships husbandry, NDT and offshore support along the coast of Southern Africa, the Indian Ocean islands and the Middle East.

November 2007

Superior Offshore South Africa has purchased a Modular Jack-Up Barge which is expected to significantly enhance the company’s capacity in terms of inshore civil marine operations. The Sea Island 1 was manufactured in 1997 by Ravenstein, for use in the Oresund Tunnel contract in Denmark. The vessel is a suitable platform for geotechnical drilling, dredging, lifting and piling activities in protected waters and is a unique piece of equipment in the South African waters.

September 2007

Superior Offshore South Africa is appointed as a major subcontractor to the Dredging International/Group 5 Consortium which has been awarded the DHEW (Durban Harbor Entrance Widening & Deepening contract) in Durban, South Africa. The project has a planned completion date of March 2010 and Superior Offshore is to provide underwater demolition services and ongoing diving and marine support from construction barges.

December 2006

Superior Offshore International acquires Subtech Diving and Marine of Durban, South Africa. Subtech will operate as Superior Offshore South Africa under the existing management, and will continue to provide commercial diving services on the coast of South Africa, the western Indian Ocean and in the Middle East.

 
 
 
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 14, 2009, 03:30:38 PM
Regarding the fatality Mermis mentioned in Hotping's post:

February 3, 2007

Fatality:

Saturation Diver with Superior Offshore International in the Gulf of Mexico.  No further details available at this time.  Reported by:  Superior Offshore International; Reported to:  USCG, MS, ADCI.

http://www.adc-int.org/safe.htm

Thanks, 2NJ - I was wondering about that!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2009, 03:35:52 PM
http://issuu.com/dbastien/docs/vt_halter/16?mode=a_p

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/SuperiorOffshoreGoingPublic_1.jpg)
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/SuperiorOffshoreGoingPublic_2.jpg)
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/SuperiorOffshoreGoingPublic_3.jpg)
     (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/SuperiorOffshoreGoingPublic_4.jpg)
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/SuperiorOffshoreGoingPublic_5.jpg)
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/SuperiorOffshoreGoingPublic_6.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 03:38:08 PM

I'm sorry, guys, but I just think we're giving her entirely too much attention.

It is obvious that if there were an FBI agent on board the Persistence, Kyle Kingman would have mentioned that to the Freebirds during his recounting of the events of those days.  He did not.

IF Kyle even told this to her, it is an after-the-fact fabrication, imo.



I agree Lifesong.

Bottom line:  FBI agent or not ... Kyle Kingman's own words attest to the fact there was no samples recovered on the December 30th visual dive and ... the recovery of January 7th involved only the Arubans with so much as a challenge by John Silvetti.

Janet

++++++

DECEMBER 30, 2007

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  We had an American diver with us on the Dec 30th dive. We were encouraged to do so and invited by the Arubans. I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.


JANUARY 7, 2007

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman: We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care. Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing. Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.


THE JOHN SILVETTI BETRAYAL?

Kyle Kingman:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best






 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 14, 2009, 03:41:38 PM
Schaefer, Mermis, Koch, Burks, Terry....all had what seemed to be great resumes....one and/or all let Superior go down the tubes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 03:50:47 PM
It appears that at least one of our prodical monkeys is no longer bowing unconditionally to Lou's justification of Kyle Kingman's own words.  Iris appears to be thinking for herself and ... challenging the status quo.

Janet

++++++


Iris 44
Re: The Cage
« Reply #65 on: Today at 12:43:23 am »


ldstlou,
I can believe that Kyle got caught up in the emotion at first, but why did he keep posting about it much later with the Freebirds?  I wonder what his intentions were at that point.  Were you communicating with him then? 

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.60


Iris is an analyst.  That's what she does.  I believe I read her stating this several times. 
She can be found here:
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:oHqQw8HzuMVIjM:http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~psyc351/Images/Fed%2520Ex%2520Logo.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 14, 2009, 03:52:02 PM

Quote
Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best  


No, Kyle.  No.  You were not FORCED to sit back and hope for the best.  YOU CHOSE to sit back and hope for the best.  There are a number of things YOU could have done.  YOU could have contacted the FBI.  YOU could have contacted Tim Miller.  YOU could have contacted the family.   

INSTEAD you chose, that's right Kyle, YOU CHOSE to participate in the attempted PIMPING of the only evidence not absconded with by the Arubans, the ROV videos.

You, KYLE KINGMAN, need to stop acting like you were one of the good guys.  YOU CHOSE at the time to do exactly what ALE did, and that is WITHHOLD POSSIBLE EVIDENCE.  And if you think talking to the Freebirds redeemed you, you're wrong.  Because when it came time to sh*t or get off the pot - you LIED, MADE THREATS OVER INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY and finally, RAN AWAY.  You CHOSE, Kyle Kingman, to do everything in your power to PROTECT THE PIMPING OF THE ROV VIDEOS.

Shame right on you.



JMO and only MO





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 14, 2009, 03:55:50 PM

Quote
Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best  


No, Kyle.  No.  You were not FORCED to sit back and hope for the best.  YOU CHOSE to sit back and hope for the best.  There are a number of things YOU could have done.  YOU could have contacted the FBI.  YOU could have contacted Tim Miller.  YOU could have contacted the family.   

INSTEAD you chose, that's right Kyle, YOU CHOSE to participate in the attempted PIMPING of the only evidence not absconded with by the Arubans, the ROV videos.

You, KYLE KINGMAN, need to stop acting like you were one of the good guys.  YOU CHOSE at the time to do exactly what ALE did, and that is WITHHOLD POSSIBLE EVIDENCE.  And if you think talking to the Freebirds redeemed you, you're wrong.  Because when it came time to sh*t or get off the pot - you LIED, MADE THREATS OVER INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY and finally, RAN AWAY.  You CHOSE, Kyle Kingman, to do everything in your power to PROTECT THE PIMPING OF THE ROV VIDEOS.

Shame right on you.



JMO and only MO




Bravo Lifesong......This is Exactly what He did.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 03:58:07 PM

08/2006
Owner, Louis Schaefer Jr., appoints Jim Mermis as president/CEO of Superior Offshore International. Schaefer shifts his position to chairman of the board.


04/2007
According to CW 1 (a Confidential Witness in the Class Action Lawsuit (http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:YzXYM0VYK8cJ:securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/2008721_r01c_08-00687.pdf+Legacy+offshore+R+joshua+koch&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us)):  “…around the time of the IPO, Mermis was trying to attain a project out of Venezuela.  Rather than securing that work for Superior, Mermis instead sent the project to Kaplan Industry - a Company he joined after the bankruptcy.” [page  25]


04/2007 – 01/2008
According to CW 1 and CW 2 (Confidential Witnesses in the Class Action Lawsuit (http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:YzXYM0VYK8cJ:securities.stanford.edu/1039/DEEP_01/2008721_r01c_08-00687.pdf+Legacy+offshore+R+joshua+koch&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us)):  “Prior to and around the time of the IPO, Mermis worked to obtain a Venezuelan project for the benefit of another company rather than for Superior.  CW 2, a former employee who was a receptionist and executive assistant during the Class Period, and CW 1 reported that, while Superior Offshore's CEO, Mermis billed the Company for trips to Venezuela made to procure a client for the Kaplan Industry - the company that Mermis would eventually join after resigning from Superior Offshore.” [page 26]


01/28/09
Superior Offshore International Announces Appointment of E. Donald Terry as Interim President and Chief Executive Officer (http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/01-28-2008/0004743641&EDATE=):  “…Mr. Terry's appointment followed James J. Mermis' resignation as President, Chief Executive Officer and a director of the Company. Mr. Mermis plans to join Kaplan Industry as its President of Technical Operations…”


Did we ever find out which project Mermis got for Kaplan? 


I can't answer the Kaplan project question at the moment.  Am catching up reading and wanted to note that Terry was appointed 1/27/08

http://www.globenewswire.com/newsroom/news.html?d=136169

-snipped-

As previously announced, the Board appointed E. Donald Terry as the Company's Interim President and Chief Executive Officer effective January 27, 2008.


That is correct:
Donald Terry is the guy who signed the sale/buyback agreement with Legacy.
Mr. Terry served in a number of capacities with Cal Dive International Inc.
During 2003, Mr. Terry was a consultant for Horizon Offshore, Inc.
From 1998 to 2000, Mr. Terry was Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of the Board of
Terry Offshore,
Inc.
From 1995 to 1998, Mr. Terry was Worldwide General Manager of McDermott Underwater Services
From 1992 to 1995, Mr. Terry was Vice President of Offshore Pipelines, Inc.
From 1988 to 1992, Mr. Terry was President and Chief Operating Officer and a director of Offshore Petroleum Divers, Inc.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 03:59:26 PM
Right on Lifesong.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 04:01:27 PM

Quote
Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best  


No, Kyle.  No.  You were not FORCED to sit back and hope for the best.  YOU CHOSE to sit back and hope for the best.  There are a number of things YOU could have done.  YOU could have contacted the FBI.  YOU could have contacted Tim Miller.  YOU could have contacted the family.   

INSTEAD you chose, that's right Kyle, YOU CHOSE to participate in the attempted PIMPING of the only evidence not absconded with by the Arubans, the ROV videos.

You, KYLE KINGMAN, need to stop acting like you were one of the good guys.  YOU CHOSE at the time to do exactly what ALE did, and that is WITHHOLD POSSIBLE EVIDENCE.  And if you think talking to the Freebirds redeemed you, you're wrong.  Because when it came time to sh*t or get off the pot - you LIED, MADE THREATS OVER INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY and finally, RAN AWAY.  You CHOSE, Kyle Kingman, to do everything in your power to PROTECT THE PIMPING OF THE ROV VIDEOS.

Shame right on you.



JMO and only MO





 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: San on March 14, 2009, 04:06:24 PM

Quote
Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best  


No, Kyle.  No.  You were not FORCED to sit back and hope for the best.  YOU CHOSE to sit back and hope for the best.  There are a number of things YOU could have done.  YOU could have contacted the FBI.  YOU could have contacted Tim Miller.  YOU could have contacted the family.   

INSTEAD you chose, that's right Kyle, YOU CHOSE to participate in the attempted PIMPING of the only evidence not absconded with by the Arubans, the ROV videos.

You, KYLE KINGMAN, need to stop acting like you were one of the good guys.  YOU CHOSE at the time to do exactly what ALE did, and that is WITHHOLD POSSIBLE EVIDENCE.  And if you think talking to the Freebirds redeemed you, you're wrong.  Because when it came time to sh*t or get off the pot - you LIED, MADE THREATS OVER INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY and finally, RAN AWAY.  You CHOSE, Kyle Kingman, to do everything in your power to PROTECT THE PIMPING OF THE ROV VIDEOS.

Shame right on you.



JMO and only MO


Great post.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 04:08:00 PM
Idstlou said: “They were working with two FBI agents from Barbados. The footage was turned over to them.”http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.560

Idstlou said: ”The footage WAS turned over to the FBI immediately.”http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.500

Idstlou said: “I know that there were members of Quantico on board. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.580

Reply #619 on: January 02, 2009, 10:17:09 PM   ldstlou
I have had all my questions answered by Jug and Kyle
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg610004#msg610004

ldstlou Reply #283 on: Today at 10:20:17 PM
Kyle owes you all nothing, he owes me nothing!

BUT that is not what JUG said:

LEAK said: "This comment was made by Jug during a recent phone conversation:
All of the stuff that Kermit posted
FBI did not know about it..."

"Klye:  I did not give the information to the FBI and I'm unaware of anyone relaying the possibility to them.
pg 39http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.760




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 14, 2009, 04:09:30 PM
Chata..Hope the service went well.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 04:16:20 PM
BIG WHOPPER lie by Idstlou/b]
539 on: Today at 07:28:31 PM   ldstlou
It was this action by the arubans, along with a series of other suspicious events that caused Kyle to have real concern with what was in the cage afterall.

He was so concerned that he flew back to the U.S. to "strike a deal" with the networks of the ROV footage


Kyle posted: FEB 12 We are all holding up well. I just flew back to New Jersey
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4477.760

05/08/2008 (from Lifesong's timeline)
Kyle Kingman:  “I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.”




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 14, 2009, 04:25:40 PM
It appears that at least one of our prodical monkeys is no longer bowing unconditionally to Lou's justification of Kyle Kingman's own words.  Iris appears to be thinking for herself and ... challenging the status quo.

Janet

++++++


Iris 44
Re: The Cage
« Reply #65 on: Today at 12:43:23 am »


ldstlou,
I can believe that Kyle got caught up in the emotion at first, but why did he keep posting about it much later with the Freebirds?  I wonder what his intentions were at that point.  Were you communicating with him then? 

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.60


Iris is an analyst.  That's what she does.  I believe I read her stating this several times. 
She can be found here:
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:oHqQw8HzuMVIjM:http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~psyc351/Images/Fed%2520Ex%2520Logo.jpg)



I wrote that post with a bit of sarcasm.  Meant to let Janet, know, as well.    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 04:30:05 PM
12/30/2007
Per oceanexploration (Kyle Kingman):  "This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH.  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only.

If he could have sent 6 photos to the FBI, he could have contacted them rather then try to sell the ROV/images to the media.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 04:31:43 PM
I wrote that post with a bit of sarcasm.  Meant to let Janet, know, as well.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

That is hinky.
She uses company time to post. Fed Ex time that is.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 04:37:24 PM
BIG WHOPPER lie by Idstlou/b]
539 on: Today at 07:28:31 PM   ldstlou
It was this action by the arubans, along with a series of other suspicious events that caused Kyle to have real concern with what was in the cage afterall.

He was so concerned that he flew back to the U.S. to "strike a deal" with the networks of the ROV footage


Kyle posted: FEB 12 We are all holding up well. I just flew back to New Jersey
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4477.760

05/08/2008 (from Lifesong's timeline)
Kyle Kingman:  “I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.”





MORE BIG WHOOPER LIES OUTTA OF IDSTlou
Reply #563 on: Today at 07:55:01 PM   ldstlou
You have to remember that Kyle had just received info that did not set well with him and is now starting to wonder why? He is going back and forth with everything that happened with the members of this forum..trying to disseminate what happened...and so that is why just to bring that quote over...well..it is out of context..does that mae sense? It was a culmnation of events..including some that he found out about months after the search....that caused him to really start to become alarmed


DURING THE SEARCH

Kyle posted: FEB 12 We are all holding up well. I just flew back to New Jersey
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4477.760

05/08/2008 (from Lifesong's timeline)
Kyle Kingman:  “I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.”
[/b]


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 14, 2009, 04:46:02 PM
12/30/2007
Per oceanexploration (Kyle Kingman):  "This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH.  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only.

If he could have sent 6 photos to the FBI, he could have contacted them rather then try to sell the ROV/images to the media.




Exactly.

Anyone that would defend his actions is not doing so in the interests of Justice for Natalee Holloway.  Nor on behalf of her family.  I'm throwing the bullshit flag on that and standing by it. 

I am boycotting any site that stands against the truth on this issue.  I refuse to add to the hitcount of any site that supports Kyle Kingman.  Kyle Kingman has been no friend of Natalee's family. 

There's just no gray area there.  Kyle himself provided the proof with the pictures.






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 14, 2009, 04:47:47 PM
12/30/2007
Per oceanexploration (Kyle Kingman):  "This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH.  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only.

If he could have sent 6 photos to the FBI, he could have contacted them rather then try to sell the ROV/images to the media.




Exactly.

Anyone that would defend his actions is not doing so in the interests of Justice for Natalee Holloway.  Nor on behalf of her family.  I'm throwing the bullshit flag on that and standing by it. 

I am boycotting any site that stands against the truth on this issue.  I refuse to add to the hitcount of any site that supports Kyle Kingman.  Kyle Kingman has been no friend of Natalee's family. 

There's just no gray area there.  Kyle himself provided the proof with the pictures.






B-I-N-G-O... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 04:49:24 PM
I am off to a family gathering (my side).  Have a good afternoon.

I appreciate each of ya..

I miss Keepthefaith.  I hope he is well.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet
1:50 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 04:50:33 PM
12/30/2007
Per oceanexploration (Kyle Kingman):  "This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH.  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only.

If he could have sent 6 photos to the FBI, he could have contacted them rather then try to sell the ROV/images to the media.




Exactly.

Anyone that would defend his actions is not doing so in the interests of Justice for Natalee Holloway.  Nor on behalf of her family.  I'm throwing the bullshit flag on that and standing by it. 

I am boycotting any site that stands against the truth on this issue.  I refuse to add to the hitcount of any site that supports Kyle Kingman.  Kyle Kingman has been no friend of Natalee's family. 

There's just no gray area there.  Kyle himself provided the proof with the pictures.


 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 14, 2009, 04:50:36 PM
I am off to a family gathering (my side).  Have a good afternoon.

I appreciate each of ya..

I miss Keepthefaith.  I hope he is well.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet
1:50 PM PT

I'm here Janet!Have a great day! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 14, 2009, 04:53:42 PM

KYLE KINGMAN'S SECRET PICTURES:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3612/3350229996_ed81dccb67_m.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3547/3320973370_e3418080fe_m.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3569/3320144389_a7a02d2cf8_m.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3544/3349400733_f050287b44_m.jpg)


Credit: Kermit and some of Natalee's Freebirds


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 04:55:00 PM
12/30/2007
Per oceanexploration (Kyle Kingman):  "This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH.  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only.

If he could have sent 6 photos to the FBI, he could have contacted them rather then try to sell the ROV/images to the media.




Exactly.

Anyone that would defend his actions is not doing so in the interests of Justice for Natalee Holloway.  Nor on behalf of her family.  I'm throwing the bullshit flag on that and standing by it. 

I am boycotting any site that stands against the truth on this issue.  I refuse to add to the hitcount of any site that supports Kyle Kingman.  Kyle Kingman has been no friend of Natalee's family. 

There's just no gray area there.  Kyle himself provided the proof with the pictures.

Yes Yes Yes Lifesong.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/kermitdance.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 04:56:20 PM
I am off to a family gathering (my side).  Have a good afternoon.

I appreciate each of ya..

I miss Keepthefaith.  I hope he is well.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet
1:50 PM PT

I'm here Janet!Have a great day! ::MonkeyCool::

Glad you are back and I hope you & your daughter are feeling better.
You were very missed by the Monkeys in case you didn't notice.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: San on March 14, 2009, 04:57:17 PM
DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS ALREADY POSTED::


March 13th, 2009 11:05 AM Eastern

under headline “never dull”
by Greta Van Susteren


I was just talking to John Q Kelly about an unrelated topic to Natalee Holloway and ended the conversation asking him is there is anything new in Aruba. He laughed and said that last week the Aruban prosecutor Hans Moss by mistake pocket dialed John. It was a mistake and Moss most certainly not want to talk to John and quickly ditched the call when he learned it was John. And yes, Hans said he was sorry for the mistake. Never dull



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 04:59:01 PM

KYLE KINGMAN'S SECRET PICTURES:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3612/3350229996_ed81dccb67_m.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3547/3320973370_e3418080fe_m.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3569/3320144389_a7a02d2cf8_m.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3544/3349400733_f050287b44_m.jpg)


Credit: Kermit and some of Natalee's Freebirds


If one has pictures of what appears to be a crime scene knowing they are on this ship due to what appears to be a crime, does one say to themselves, I think I'll try to sell the photos and make money?



 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 05:01:24 PM
DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS ALREADY POSTED::


March 13th, 2009 11:05 AM Eastern

under headline “never dull”
by Greta Van Susteren


I was just talking to John Q Kelly about an unrelated topic to Natalee Holloway and ended the conversation asking him is there is anything new in Aruba. He laughed and said that last week the Aruban prosecutor Hans Moss by mistake pocket dialed John. It was a mistake and Moss most certainly not want to talk to John and quickly ditched the call when he learned it was John. And yes, Hans said he was sorry for the mistake. Never dull


playing ball pocket was Mos??? ::MonkeyEek::
sort of like Paulus unzipping his pants for photos.... ::MonkeyHaHa::






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 14, 2009, 05:02:46 PM
I am off to a family gathering (my side).  Have a good afternoon.

I appreciate each of ya..

I miss Keepthefaith.  I hope he is well.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet
1:50 PM PT

I'm here Janet!Have a great day! ::MonkeyCool::

Glad you are back and I hope you & your daughter are feeling better.
You were very missed by the Monkeys in case you didn't notice.



I've stopped in to watch the Monkey's at work.What a great bunch of people and All should be very PROUD!As the Frog say's.A nerve has been struck..Monkey's will keep striking that Nerve until the TRUTH REVEAL'S ITSELF!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 14, 2009, 05:03:34 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Edit to add.....this was for Kermit's Mos/Paulus post...not KTF's.  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: San on March 14, 2009, 05:03:35 PM
DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS ALREADY POSTED::


March 13th, 2009 11:05 AM Eastern

under headline “never dull”
by Greta Van Susteren


I was just talking to John Q Kelly about an unrelated topic to Natalee Holloway and ended the conversation asking him is there is anything new in Aruba. He laughed and said that last week the Aruban prosecutor Hans Moss by mistake pocket dialed John. It was a mistake and Moss most certainly not want to talk to John and quickly ditched the call when he learned it was John. And yes, Hans said he was sorry for the mistake. Never dull


playing ball pocket was Mos??? ::MonkeyEek::
sort of like Paulus unzipping his pants for photos.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 14, 2009, 05:09:28 PM


playing ball pocket was Mos??? ::MonkeyEek::
sort of like Paulus unzipping his pants for photos.... ::MonkeyHaHa::






Paulus = the father who has his own son birddog (pimp) the girlies for him. That Paulus, right?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 14, 2009, 05:13:52 PM
DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS ALREADY POSTED::


March 13th, 2009 11:05 AM Eastern

under headline “never dull”
by Greta Van Susteren


I was just talking to John Q Kelly about an unrelated topic to Natalee Holloway and ended the conversation asking him is there is anything new in Aruba. He laughed and said that last week the Aruban prosecutor Hans Moss by mistake pocket dialed John. It was a mistake and Moss most certainly not want to talk to John and quickly ditched the call when he learned it was John. And yes, Hans said he was sorry for the mistake. Never dull


playing ball pocket was Mos??? ::MonkeyEek::
sort of like Paulus unzipping his pants for photos.... ::MonkeyHaHa::




 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Funny how the truth always outs!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 14, 2009, 05:23:04 PM
DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS ALREADY POSTED::


March 13th, 2009 11:05 AM Eastern

under headline “never dull”
by Greta Van Susteren


I was just talking to John Q Kelly about an unrelated topic to Natalee Holloway and ended the conversation asking him is there is anything new in Aruba. He laughed and said that last week the Aruban prosecutor Hans Moss by mistake pocket dialed John. It was a mistake and Moss most certainly not want to talk to John and quickly ditched the call when he learned it was John. And yes, Hans said he was sorry for the mistake. Never dull



Yes, that's what prompted me to add his cellphone to this picture, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/mospursephone.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 14, 2009, 05:32:43 PM


And Tim Miller appears on Greta Van Sustern's FoxNews show, On The Record (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg356016#msg356016):
"Tim:  The report we got is the DNA that came back did not match Natalee's DNA and when we located that it looked like more than just a piece of cloth and I mean we, we felt as though we seen a skull in there. We got the Aruba authorities involved, they felt there was something in there, we dove on it and the thing is that's only 1 of over 170 targets out there we still have to investigate, so we've got a lot of work ahead of us."


Transcript (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg356016#msg356016)

YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CFkZzKBviM)


For Nimrod:  Whatever it is that the Arubans sent to the FBI, it did contain DNA.  DNA does not come from rocks or plastic.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 14, 2009, 05:37:13 PM
DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS ALREADY POSTED::


March 13th, 2009 11:05 AM Eastern

under headline “never dull”
by Greta Van Susteren


I was just talking to John Q Kelly about an unrelated topic to Natalee Holloway and ended the conversation asking him is there is anything new in Aruba. He laughed and said that last week the Aruban prosecutor Hans Moss by mistake pocket dialed John. It was a mistake and Moss most certainly not want to talk to John and quickly ditched the call when he learned it was John. And yes, Hans said he was sorry for the mistake. Never dull



Yes, that's what prompted me to add his cellphone to this picture, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/mospursephone.jpg)

If Klaas or one of the Mods could find a Red bluetooth to put in Mos's ear it would be PriceLess!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 14, 2009, 05:42:07 PM
Is that the Teletubbies on that little video player cell phone thingie?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 14, 2009, 05:43:22 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/mospursephoneear.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 14, 2009, 06:08:46 PM
Is that the Teletubbies on that little video player cell phone thingie?

Yes, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 14, 2009, 06:11:36 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/mospursephoneear.jpg)

On a Bluetooth whil watching the TeleTubbies! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2009, 06:17:40 PM


Klaas!   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 14, 2009, 06:18:29 PM
From GM:

1  General / Natalee Holloway / Re: The Cage  on: Today at 04:57:49 pm 
Started by johan555 - Last post by johan555 


I have communicated with the directly involved about the content of that cage 

and i know the truth !!



Johan wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and hit him in the face.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 14, 2009, 06:19:15 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/mospursephoneear.jpg)

On a Bluetooth whil watching the TeleTubbies! ::MonkeyDance::

Oh the next picture we will have of him is with his hands on his hip being very upset with the Monkeys
for posting these pictures of him (and Laughing our a??es off doing it).

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 14, 2009, 06:21:27 PM
From GM:

1  General / Natalee Holloway / Re: The Cage  on: Today at 04:57:49 pm 
Started by johan555 - Last post by johan555 


I have communicated with the directly involved about the content of that cage 

and i know the truth !!



Johan wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and hit him in the face.


And who would that be?  ya think Kyle.  Neither Johan or Kyle has the B?lls to come on here and confront Kermit face to face.  CHICKENS..................... :smt117 :smt117


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 14, 2009, 06:34:55 PM
From GM:

1  General / Natalee Holloway / Re: The Cage  on: Today at 04:57:49 pm 
Started by johan555 - Last post by johan555 


I have communicated with the directly involved about the content of that cage 

and i know the truth !!



Johan wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and hit him in the face.


And who would that be?  ya think Kyle.  Neither Johan or Kyle has the B?lls to come on here and confront Kermit face to face.  CHICKENS..................... :smt117 :smt117

Shows you the character of Johan555,as well as Kyle... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 14, 2009, 06:38:01 PM
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3935&Itemid=1

Through translator:

man cu owing to maltrato cruelmente his casa owing to stay deteni saturday, 14 march 2009

oranjestad - informacion cu owing to enter yesterday at redaccion of good morning aruba is indica cu he c.k. naci at corsow that owing to maltrata cruelmente his casa owing to stay deteni. good morning aruba owing to informa yesterday on the caso lamentable y repudiabel here, caminda he c.k, one conocido barber of san nicolas owing to maltrata his casa, one lady comerciante of inicial y.q. informacionnan ricibi for of fuentenan fidedigno is show cu he abusador without escrupulo here owing to maltrata his wife fisicamente, caminda among another past owing to propina the madam some clip at his curpa, abdomen y cabez, also owing to happen hand for sker y owing to clip the lady his cabey while cu also past owing to rasca cara of the lady. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 14, 2009, 06:39:42 PM
From GM:

1  General / Natalee Holloway / Re: The Cage  on: Today at 04:57:49 pm 
Started by johan555 - Last post by johan555 


I have communicated with the directly involved about the content of that cage 

and i know the truth !!



Johan wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and hit him in the face.


And who would that be?  ya think Kyle.  Neither Johan or Kyle has the B?lls to come on here and confront Kermit face to face.  CHICKENS..................... :smt117 :smt117

(http://www.gifmania.hk/birds/chicken/crazy_chicken.gif)(http://www.gifmania.hk/birds/chicken/crazy_chicken.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 14, 2009, 06:43:57 PM


12/30/2008
Per oceanexploration (Kyle Kingman) (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=profile;u=3285):  "This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH.  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. I was shocked to see them posted.  I thought we had a security breach on the boat from my workstation or a leak from the FBI.  Turns out the FBI gave them to Dave H. after he couldn't get them from me.  After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them from me.  I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't.  Apparently, shortly thereafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them."
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=profile;u=3285


Keep this in mind!  Shortly thereafter does not mean a couple of months later.


02/26/2008
Klaas posts the 6 pictures (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355959#msg355959) of the cage she rec’d in an anonymous email.  The same pictures Robin posted at BNH.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355959#msg355959


02/27/2008
Two members of the Persistence crew perform side scan sonar survey of the Montserrat pond (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.msg356876#msg356876).


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Bondia022808search.jpg)
Photo Credit:  Klaasend

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.msg356876#msg356876


02/28/2008
oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #736 2/27 - Reply #270 on: February 28, 2008, 03:34:45 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.msg356876#msg356876)


This is two of our crew out surveying the pond yesterday (27-Feb). They are using a SonaVision scanning sonar. The sonar scans 360 degrees out to a user select range.  In this case we used between 50-100ft range.  By placing multiple "drops" approximately 75-100 ft apart you can quickly and efficiently scan an entire pond.
I must have a good laught at this one. The boat they are in is TINY and Tony is a big guy.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.msg356876#msg356876



Robin did not post those pictures without Dave’s knowledge and approval. 

It was no accident that she posted them the day before the pond sonar scan.


JMO and only MO



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 14, 2009, 06:54:08 PM

I personally am loving the random, green, underlined words that appear upon refreshing the page.

I vote we keep it!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDance::     ::MonkeyDance::     ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 14, 2009, 07:03:30 PM

I personally am loving the random, green, underlined words that appear upon refreshing the page.

I vote we keep it!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDance::     ::MonkeyDance::     ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::

Glad you mentioned it.  I thought this computer had been possessed or attacked by aliens.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 14, 2009, 07:11:12 PM
Whyy hello Batsibro! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wingnut on March 14, 2009, 07:12:07 PM
DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS ALREADY POSTED::


March 13th, 2009 11:05 AM Eastern

under headline “never dull”
by Greta Van Susteren


I was just talking to John Q Kelly about an unrelated topic to Natalee Holloway and ended the conversation asking him is there is anything new in Aruba. He laughed and said that last week the Aruban prosecutor Hans Moss by mistake pocket dialed John. It was a mistake and Moss most certainly not want to talk to John and quickly ditched the call when he learned it was John. And yes, Hans said he was sorry for the mistake. Never dull


playing ball pocket was Mos??? ::MonkeyEek::
sort of like Paulus unzipping his pants for photos.... ::MonkeyHaHa::







Butt call........

(http://www.e-agapimou.gr/forum/images/smilies/motocanaglia_sorpresa.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 14, 2009, 07:14:16 PM

I personally am loving the random, green, underlined words that appear upon refreshing the page.

I vote we keep it!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDance::     ::MonkeyDance::     ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::

Glad you mentioned it.  I thought this computer had been possessed or attacked by aliens.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyEek::  It hadn't occurred to me that I might be the only one seeing it!!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: bastibro on March 14, 2009, 07:14:23 PM
Whyy hello Batsibro! ::MonkeyDance::
::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 14, 2009, 07:14:53 PM
Quote
From GM:

1  General / Natalee Holloway / Re: The Cage  on: Today at 04:57:49 pm 
Started by johan555 - Last post by johan555 


I have communicated with the directly involved about the content of that cage 

and i know the truth !!


And which liar(s) would that be pray-tell???????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 14, 2009, 07:33:54 PM
Whyy hello Batsibro! ::MonkeyDance::
::MonkeyDance::

HOW BOUT NEVER LIFT THE PRESSURE ON THE PERSISTENCE... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 14, 2009, 07:34:43 PM
Quote
From GM:

1  General / Natalee Holloway / Re: The Cage  on: Today at 04:57:49 pm 
Started by johan555 - Last post by johan555 


I have communicated with the directly involved about the content of that cage 

and i know the truth !!


And which liar(s) would that be pray-tell???????



Unfortunately, ALE was allowed to abscond with the entire contents of the trap so that now no one will ever know the truth!

Who let that happen?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: bastibro on March 14, 2009, 07:39:14 PM
Whyy hello Batsibro! ::MonkeyDance::
::MonkeyDance::

HOW BOUT NEVER LIFT THE PRESSURE ON THE PERSISTENCE... ::MonkeyDance::

I thought you were having a party going ::MonkeyEek::

Naaaaa, i`m not going to play that game of yours, sorry ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 14, 2009, 07:44:06 PM


Welcome all Monkeys, to ...

Today's Random Blast from the Past:


Quote

Anna gets all the men!!!   ::MonkeyWink::


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2560.msg335236#msg335236



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: San on March 14, 2009, 07:46:01 PM
From GM:

1  General / Natalee Holloway / Re: The Cage  on: Today at 04:57:49 pm 
Started by johan555 - Last post by johan555 


I have communicated with the directly involved about the content of that cage 

and i know the truth !!




Johan wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and hit him in the face.


I can say the same thing.  The difference is that Kermit posted the proof and Kyle refused to address it when challenged.

Who did you communicate with Johan.  Tell us.  Show us the proof.  We have Kyle's own words.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 14, 2009, 07:48:30 PM
Whyy hello Batsibro! ::MonkeyDance::
::MonkeyDance::

HOW BOUT NEVER LIFT THE PRESSURE ON THE PERSISTENCE... ::MonkeyDance::

I thought you were having a party going ::MonkeyEek::

Naaaaa, i`m not going to play that game of yours, sorry ::MonkeyCool::

Here at Scared Monkey's we don't play games Bastibro...We leave that to other forums you tend to associate with..Just call it how i see it Bastibro.. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2009, 07:49:34 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/7633/8/

Papiamentu translation:

comerciante d. oduber deteni at cumana

saturday, 14 march 2009 - 08:26

the conocido comerciante d. oduber owing to stay deteni in oranan of today morning at his cas at cumana. the comerciante here have business of gold y in oranan trempan of morning recherche of oranjestad cu have the caso here bao investigacion owing to go at his cas saturday morning y so cu bendicion of ministerio publico go over at detencion. the comerciante here for more cu one anja is wordo sospecha of menaza seriamente y persigui also family van der kuyp. still can corda con at more cu one ocasion the conocido advocate john van der kuyp time cu the was at life owing to achieve the menazanan earnest. now seems cu the menazanan here not owing to termina because still after of dead of the advocate still the menazanan owing to follow. now past owing to stay deteni bow suspicion of menaza y extorsion of family van der kuyp. 24ora.com have the fotonan exclusivo of the caso earnest here y detencion at cumana. at the momentonan here interogacion is tumando lugar for see what will bay pasaclick read more for more imagen come across

Comments:

jean paul van der kuyp said: i am much contento with at last owing to jega one end at the extorcion with he here tawata make, my father y my mother owing to happen in much time without rest for her motibo here. i am agradeci the good trabouw of police y i have assure with the person here is caminda with the have to is esta keep of police y djeinan for k.i.a!!!!


(http://www.24ora.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/1..stories.news.2009.march.march14.dennis.P1015594.JPG)

(http://www.24ora.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/1..stories.news.2009.march.march14.dennis.P1015601.JPG)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 14, 2009, 08:02:55 PM

01/31/2008 as news is breaking that Peter DeVries has new evidence

Kyle's second post that day:
12:31:16 PM:  “ What do you expect to happen when thousands of people gather to pray persistently and genuinely over 2 1/2 years?  Peter de Vries will get a lot of credit if this all goes down...fine, as he should.  However, let's not forget who was really behind all this since the beginning.  GOD.”

Caps second post that day
01:15:46 PM:  “The problem with all this is.....I said: I did not want to discuss it in public.    Soldiers will wakeup  This is to defend them self.   in 2005 notting, 2006 notting, 2007 notting, 2008 we start unravel the fabric and he is taken the credits.  wel wel...  But it is not over without the complete codes... Rebember I said the wall have ears and eyes.  Sleeping soldiers are awake now.”


I hadn't noticed that before.  It's a little bit interesting.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 14, 2009, 08:05:15 PM
From GM:

1  General / Natalee Holloway / Re: The Cage  on: Today at 04:57:49 pm 
Started by johan555 - Last post by johan555 


I have communicated with the directly involved about the content of that cage 

and i know the truth !!




Johan wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and hit him in the face.


I can say the same thing.  The difference is that Kermit posted the proof and Kyle refused to address it when challenged.

Who did you communicate with Johan.  Tell us.  Show us the proof.  We have Kyle's own words.

Johan555 needs to bring it!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: bastibro on March 14, 2009, 08:06:29 PM
Whyy hello Batsibro! ::MonkeyDance::
::MonkeyDance::

HOW BOUT NEVER LIFT THE PRESSURE ON THE PERSISTENCE... ::MonkeyDance::

I thought you were having a party going ::MonkeyEek::

Naaaaa, i`m not going to play that game of yours, sorry ::MonkeyCool::

Here at Scared Monkey's we don't play games Bastibro...We leave that to other forums you tend to associate with..Just call it how i see it Bastibro.. ::MonkeyTongue::

I know how you see it Keepthefaith,
I just don`t look at it the way you do.
You seem to enjoy it to bash members whom are not waking your way, pitty.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: nimrod on March 14, 2009, 08:09:20 PM


And Tim Miller appears on Greta Van Sustern's FoxNews show, On The Record (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg356016#msg356016):
"Tim:  The report we got is the DNA that came back did not match Natalee's DNA and when we located that it looked like more than just a piece of cloth and I mean we, we felt as though we seen a skull in there. We got the Aruba authorities involved, they felt there was something in there, we dove on it and the thing is that's only 1 of over 170 targets out there we still have to investigate, so we've got a lot of work ahead of us."


Transcript (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg356016#msg356016)

YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CFkZzKBviM)


For Nimrod:  Whatever it is that the Arubans sent to the FBI, it did contain DNA.  DNA does not come from rocks or plastic.


I thought the "fabric" was alledgely sent  to the FBI for an analysis to see if it matched the fabric in Natalee's dress and there report was that it didn't match. Don't know where Tim got the word "DNA" from? Maybe he was confused. I know that I am confused.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 14, 2009, 08:19:17 PM
DUGGA is working on the server, the green underlines are due to stuff he is doing and nothing to be concerned about.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 14, 2009, 08:21:18 PM


And Tim Miller appears on Greta Van Sustern's FoxNews show, On The Record (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg356016#msg356016):
"Tim:  The report we got is the DNA that came back did not match Natalee's DNA and when we located that it looked like more than just a piece of cloth and I mean we, we felt as though we seen a skull in there. We got the Aruba authorities involved, they felt there was something in there, we dove on it and the thing is that's only 1 of over 170 targets out there we still have to investigate, so we've got a lot of work ahead of us."


Transcript (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg356016#msg356016)

YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CFkZzKBviM)


For Nimrod:  Whatever it is that the Arubans sent to the FBI, it did contain DNA.  DNA does not come from rocks or plastic.


I thought the "fabric" was alledgely sent  to the FBI for an analysis to see if it matched the fabric in Natalee's dress and there report was that it didn't match. Don't know where Tim got the word "DNA" from? Maybe he was confused. I know that I am confused.

I don't recall the full FBI report being made public.  I recall only the portion that Mos repeated in his press release as being all that was made known.

I'm sure you don't mean to imply that Tim Miller cannot understand an FBI report regarding human remains and DNA.  I would imagine he is well versed in that particular area.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 14, 2009, 08:23:41 PM
DUGGA is working on the server, the green underlines are due to stuff he is doing and nothing to be concerned about.


Please tell Dugga the green underliness are my favorite!!

 ::MonkeyDance::

I still vote to keep them!
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 14, 2009, 08:32:25 PM
Whyy hello Batsibro! ::MonkeyDance::
::MonkeyDance::

HOW BOUT NEVER LIFT THE PRESSURE ON THE PERSISTENCE... ::MonkeyDance::

I thought you were having a party going ::MonkeyEek::

Naaaaa, i`m not going to play that game of yours, sorry ::MonkeyCool::

Here at Scared Monkey's we don't play games Bastibro...We leave that to other forums you tend to associate with..Just call it how i see it Bastibro.. ::MonkeyTongue::

I know how you see it Keepthefaith,
I just don`t look at it the way you do.
You seem to enjoy it to bash members whom are not waking your way, pitty.


Bastibro.Do you want me to bring forward the posts of you bashing me??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 14, 2009, 08:35:14 PM
DUGGA is working on the server, the green underlines are due to stuff he is doing and nothing to be concerned about.


Please tell Dugga the green underliness are my favorite!!

 ::MonkeyDance::

I still vote to keep them!
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


I'm totally disappointed because I don't see them  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 14, 2009, 08:40:49 PM


And Tim Miller appears on Greta Van Sustern's FoxNews show, On The Record (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg356016#msg356016):
"Tim:  The report we got is the DNA that came back did not match Natalee's DNA and when we located that it looked like more than just a piece of cloth and I mean we, we felt as though we seen a skull in there. We got the Aruba authorities involved, they felt there was something in there, we dove on it and the thing is that's only 1 of over 170 targets out there we still have to investigate, so we've got a lot of work ahead of us."


Transcript (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg356016#msg356016)

YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CFkZzKBviM)


For Nimrod:  Whatever it is that the Arubans sent to the FBI, it did contain DNA.  DNA does not come from rocks or plastic.


I thought the "fabric" was alledgely sent  to the FBI for an analysis to see if it matched the fabric in Natalee's dress and there report was that it didn't match. Don't know where Tim got the word "DNA" from? Maybe he was confused. I know that I am confused.

The only thing that has been mede public...offically...was Mos' report that the denim fabric that was sent to
the FBI did not match Natalee's blouse.  We all know that her blouse was not made of denim.
We have no idea where the denim that was sent to the FBI came from.
Obviously there were other things sent.  Kyle said that the FBI confirmed that human remains were found.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 14, 2009, 08:40:54 PM
Whyy hello Batsibro! ::MonkeyDance::
::MonkeyDance::

HOW BOUT NEVER LIFT THE PRESSURE ON THE PERSISTENCE... ::MonkeyDance::

I thought you were having a party going ::MonkeyEek::

Naaaaa, i`m not going to play that game of yours, sorry ::MonkeyCool::

Here at Scared Monkey's we don't play games Bastibro...We leave that to other forums you tend to associate with..Just call it how i see it Bastibro.. ::MonkeyTongue::

I know how you see it Keepthefaith,
I just don`t look at it the way you do.
You seem to enjoy it to bash members whom are not waking your way, pitty.


Bastibro.Do you want me to bring forward the posts of you bashing me??



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 14, 2009, 08:57:03 PM
DUGGA is working on the server, the green underlines are due to stuff he is doing and nothing to be concerned about.

WEll, shucks. I thought it was in honor of St. Pat's day  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 14, 2009, 09:07:15 PM
DUGGA is working on the server, the green underlines are due to stuff he is doing and nothing to be concerned about.


Please tell Dugga the green underliness are my favorite!!

<snip>


I'm totally disappointed because I don't see them  ::MonkeyCool::
::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Funny, funny!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 14, 2009, 09:17:33 PM

01/31/2008 as news is breaking that Peter DeVries has new evidence

Kyle's second post that day:
12:31:16 PM:  “ What do you expect to happen when thousands of people gather to pray persistently and genuinely over 2 1/2 years?  Peter de Vries will get a lot of credit if this all goes down...fine, as he should.  However, let's not forget who was really behind all this since the beginning.  GOD.”

Caps second post that day
01:15:46 PM:  “The problem with all this is.....I said: I did not want to discuss it in public.    Soldiers will wakeup  This is to defend them self.   in 2005 notting, 2006 notting, 2007 notting, 2008 we start unravel the fabric and he is taken the credits.  wel wel...  But it is not over without the complete codes... Rebember I said the wall have ears and eyes.  Sleeping soldiers are awake now.”


I hadn't noticed that before.  It's a little bit interesting.

 ::MonkeyCool::   Great comparisons, once again, Lifesong.  Amazing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 14, 2009, 09:21:21 PM
DUGGA is working on the server, the green underlines are due to stuff he is doing and nothing to be concerned about.


Please tell Dugga the green underliness are my favorite!!

 ::MonkeyDance::

I still vote to keep them!
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


I'm totally disappointed because I don't see them  ::MonkeyCool::

If they highlighted things of interest to research I'd be okay with them, but now they just seem to be random....BUT, they're GREEN.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 14, 2009, 09:25:46 PM
Whyy hello Batsibro! ::MonkeyDance::
::MonkeyDance::

HOW BOUT NEVER LIFT THE PRESSURE ON THE PERSISTENCE... ::MonkeyDance::

I thought you were having a party going ::MonkeyEek::

Naaaaa, i`m not going to play that game of yours, sorry ::MonkeyCool::

Here at Scared Monkey's we don't play games Bastibro...We leave that to other forums you tend to associate with..Just call it how i see it Bastibro.. ::MonkeyTongue::

I know how you see it Keepthefaith,
I just don`t look at it the way you do.
You seem to enjoy it to bash members whom are not waking your way, pitty.


Bastibro.Do you want me to bring forward the posts of you bashing me??
KTF....Anyone of us can bring forward the posts of Bastibro bashing not only you, but many other Monkeys.
My question: can anyone, including Bastibro, bring forward any posts from Bastibro and/or company providing links that support their positions that the persistence search was on the up and up.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 14, 2009, 09:31:16 PM
Gotta head out for awhile...The wife and I are taking the youngest of our 3 daughters out for her 18th birthday dinner(Universal studios City Walk in LA).
I'll check back in later to see if Bastibro and/or his group care to provide links.... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
I won't hold my breath.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 14, 2009, 09:34:55 PM
Gotta head out for awhile...The wife and I are taking the youngest of our 3 daughters out for her 18th birthday dinner(Universal studios City Walk in LA).
I'll check back in later to see if Bastibro and/or his group care to provide links.... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
I won't hold my breath.... ::MonkeyCool::

Have a great evening BillB!...Did i just say Billb... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 14, 2009, 09:36:32 PM

I personally am loving the random, green, underlined words that appear upon refreshing the page.

I vote we keep it!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDance::     ::MonkeyDance::     ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::

I don't like it because it implies that the poster of that message put that link in there and is sending people to wherever that link goes. How can people now tell the difference between a link put in a post by the author of that post and one of the automatic links?

And if one of the automatic links goes to a place that the author of that post might find offensive (putting it mildly)? What then?

As a writer, I don't like my words to be "doctored" by someone else, especially without my knowledge. I accept what an editor or some other pro in the writing biz might say about my writing but even they wouldn't automatically insert their own content then pretend I was the one who wrote it.

Just my .02.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 14, 2009, 09:40:32 PM

I personally am loving the random, green, underlined words that appear upon refreshing the page.

I vote we keep it!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDance::     ::MonkeyDance::     ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::

I don't like it because it implies that the poster of that message put that link in there and is sending people to wherever that link goes. How can people now tell the difference between a link put in a post by the author of that post and one of the automatic links?

And if one of the automatic links goes to a place that the author of that post might find offensive (putting it mildly)? What then?

As a writer, I don't like my words to be "doctored" by someone else, especially without my knowledge. I accept what an editor or some other pro in the writing biz might say about my writing but even they wouldn't automatically insert their own content then pretend I was the one who wrote it.

Just my .02.

It's not happening to me.  Is it still happening to you? If so maybe later try logging out and logging back in and see if it goes away.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 14, 2009, 09:43:53 PM
DUGGA is working on the server, the green underlines are due to stuff he is doing and nothing to be concerned about.

Ahhhh... didn't see this. Thanks for letting us know!

I used to post at a political forum where the forum host would go into members' posts and rewrite their words to agree with what he wanted said. Or, he would delete anything that he didn't agree with. He was an uber-liberal and kinda sorta got bent out of shape when I'd post stuff supporting the Second Amendment or I'd post pro-Israel stuff. He didn't used to be snarky. I don't know what happened to him.

I realize green lines are not the same thing as rewriting posters' posts but you can understand how some people - like me, lol - can be a mite touchy about stuff like that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 14, 2009, 09:45:55 PM
It's not happening to me.  Is it still happening to you? If so maybe later try logging out and logging back in and see if it goes away.

Okay, I'll try this.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 14, 2009, 09:47:54 PM
DUGGA is working on the server, the green underlines are due to stuff he is doing and nothing to be concerned about.

Ahhhh... didn't see this. Thanks for letting us know!

I used to post at a political forum where the forum host would go into members' posts and rewrite their words to agree with what he wanted said. Or, he would delete anything that he didn't agree with. He was an uber-liberal and kinda sorta got bent out of shape when I'd post stuff supporting the Second Amendment or I'd post pro-Israel stuff. He didn't used to be snarky. I don't know what happened to him.

I realize green lines are not the same thing as rewriting posters' posts but you can understand how some people - like me, lol - can be a mite touchy about stuff like that.

Oldie, ya got your panties in a wad didn't ya?  Calm down.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 10:31:22 PM
CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #2019 on: February 16, 2008, 11:12:09 AM »

Yes the government has his own set of lawyers and only work for the Government.

The Lawyers also represents a group that work hand in hand with the OM.
I was wondering which lawyer was on the Roll that night to handel the cases.
On the Roll means (schedule) How I know this is that my uncle is a Lawyer and He always talk abaout to have Roll duty.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2000


Attorney office  - Aruba Chamber of Commerce
some very interesting names here:



OPENBAARMAKING van de lijst van kiezers voor het KLEINBEDRIJF in Aruba voor het jaar 2004

anaam vnaam pstraat pnummer

ERASMUS-VROLIJK ESTHER LUDWINA CAYA FRÈRE LAURENTIUS 23

GOMEZ-VROLIJK GISELLE OLGA SANTA CRUZ 20
http://www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm

RAS-VROLIJK SANDRA FLORENCIA SEROE BLANCO 44-H

TROMP-VROLIJK JACINTA BERNADINA PALU DI BOONCHISTRAAT 14

VROLIJK-CROES JUDITH EVELINE OHMSTRAAT 1

VROLIJK-DE CUBA MARTHA BEATRIZ SAVANETA 149


ANGELA-FROLIJK LUISITA WEG ROOI HUNDO 65

ARBONA PARRA-VROLIJK NANCY CAROLINE NUNE 2-H

BLANCO-VROLIJK IMELDA GRACIELA PARAGUANA 3-B

HENRIQUEZ-VROLIJK FRIDA SUPRIANA SAVANETA 167

JOSEPH-VROLIJK ANGELA WENDELA WAYACA 268

KRANSEN-VROLIJK ANNA MADIKI 95-B

LIENDO-VROLIJK MARIA LUCINA SANTA CRUZ 340-A

MONTANER VROLIJK GIOVANNI DE VUYST 76
http://www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 10:33:33 PM
IF the trap isn't important, has no remains, just a bunch of hermit crabs, then how come....

Kyle said: The logs are in a safe somewhere. John and Ryan Poff (one of John's project managers) knows where it is. I can't get copies of the logs at this time. Perhaps in a few months. The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot. I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris.[/u]




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 14, 2009, 10:34:54 PM
Gotta head out for awhile...The wife and I are taking the youngest of our 3 daughters out for her 18th birthday dinner(Universal studios City Walk in LA).
I'll check back in later to see if Bastibro and/or his group care to provide links.... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
I won't hold my breath.... ::MonkeyCool::
Hey billb ....Tell Your Daughter Happy Birthday....Today would have been My Grandma's Birthday She was born in 1900 and Tomorrow is Mine.....I'm just alittle older than Your Daughter..lol...I wish I was 18 again and know what I know now I could be rich or close to it.... Seriously Tell Her that Hotping Says Happy Birthday and I Wish Her Many More!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 10:39:32 PM
June 13, 2008 Kyle said: I haven't talked to John since he left for Aruba. I don't see why or how they need John to search the pond unless they were hell bent at only searching the pond for the targets I picked, which is obsurd since the pond is empty.


CAPS REAPPEARS: Reply #746 on: Today at 03:30:33 AM  CAPS
Hi monkeys Lots a work ahead now that help has arrived from the state.

More Later.....

CAPS
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2898.740



Caps
MADE NO POSTS BETWEEN 5-10 AND 5-19



May 05, 2008, 09:49:42 PM
Hi Monkeys,

News,

The area in question now is off limited to anyone. A steel chain from across road with a sign saying area prohibited.

The area have dried a lot but still a deep end with water in it. I went to see it yesterday and I could not have access anymore.

Another thing, today a group of CSI (52 in total ) arrived from holland are in Aruba to work on the case. (secret mission)

In news paper this week Nancy Grace in Aruba to do a film on the case.



-------------
1754 on: Today at 10:48:09 AM
CapsLockWizard
Posts:  859 (5.804 per day)
Position:  Scared Monkey
Date Registered:  December 20, 2007, 10:38:24 PM
Last Active:  Today at 12:26:24 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.1740
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January 21- (A) Caps 4th post he enters into the Shango Arena
on: January 21, 2008, 01:52:21 AM
Klaasend:
Anyone have the complete Riddle in sequence and date order?
I have read it all and I do believe it is not difficult to solve. It is like Dungen and Dragons but with an Aruba/American flavor to it

And CAPS immediately knows that the body is in Montana pond...... these are riddles people have been looking at for three years and not been able to determine what they mean.... but he can decipher it on the first day he looking at the stuff


CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #2019 on: February 16, 2008, 11:12:09 AM »

Yes the government has his own set of lawyers and only work for the Government.
The Lawyers also represents a group that work hand in hand with the OM.
I was wondering which lawyer was on the Roll that night to handel the cases.
On the Roll means (schedule) How I know this is that my uncle is a Lawyer and He always talk abaout to have Roll duty.
It means that he is on the evening list to handel cases comming in that night. it can also b e a sub prosecuter.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2000


Attorney office  - Aruba Chamber of Commerce
some very interesting names here:



OPENBAARMAKING van de lijst van kiezers voor het KLEINBEDRIJF in Aruba voor het jaar 2004

anaam vnaam pstraat pnummer

ERASMUS-VROLIJK ESTHER LUDWINA CAYA FRÈRE LAURENTIUS 23

GOMEZ-VROLIJK GISELLE OLGA SANTA CRUZ 20
http://www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm

RAS-VROLIJK SANDRA FLORENCIA SEROE BLANCO 44-H

TROMP-VROLIJK JACINTA BERNADINA PALU DI BOONCHISTRAAT 14

VROLIJK-CROES JUDITH EVELINE OHMSTRAAT 1

VROLIJK-DE CUBA MARTHA BEATRIZ SAVANETA 149


ANGELA-FROLIJK LUISITA WEG ROOI HUNDO 65

ARBONA PARRA-VROLIJK NANCY CAROLINE NUNE 2-H

BLANCO-VROLIJK IMELDA GRACIELA PARAGUANA 3-B

HENRIQUEZ-VROLIJK FRIDA SUPRIANA SAVANETA 167

JOSEPH-VROLIJK ANGELA WENDELA WAYACA 268

KRANSEN-VROLIJK ANNA MADIKI 95-B

LIENDO-VROLIJK MARIA LUCINA SANTA CRUZ 340-A

MONTANER VROLIJK GIOVANNI DE VUYST 76
http://www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 10:40:54 PM
Oldie, the green is cool! Thank you Dugga.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 10:50:41 PM
Leak said:  He [Caps] has a brother who works for immigration at the airport & one that is an attorney. He said he knows Clyde Burke very well & has worked closely wioth him on some things.


Actually, Caps said it is his uncle who is the attorney.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 10:52:37 PM
Leak said: "I do not trust Faith, Blonde or Hotshot any further than I can throw them.
Lala's has warned Caps about Hotshot so he won't tell her anything. LOL




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 14, 2009, 10:53:28 PM
The green underlined words was something Dugga was testing that he is going to turn off tonight.  I told him I didn't think it was working in the forum.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Elaine on March 14, 2009, 10:55:43 PM
Leak said: "I do not trust Faith, Blonde or Hotshot any further than I can throw them.
Lala's has warned Caps about Hotshot so he won't tell her anything. LOL



LMAO!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 14, 2009, 10:55:49 PM
Leak said:  He [Caps] has a brother who works for immigration at the airport & one that is an attorney. He said he knows Clyde Burke very well & has worked closely wioth him on some things.


Actually, Caps said it is his uncle who is the attorney.



I LOVe that, lol, "leak said"....etc

As in Leaky and Squeaky says....

Okay, Carry on....

Kermit, thank you for all you do! I appreciate it ! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 10:57:13 PM
From Kyle:
This is a picture taken right next to the fisherman's hut that was allegedly broken into.  The picture shows the cut-away spot in the brush where we believe the trap was stored There are branches cut off and rub marks on other branches indicating a trap of at least 6-7' wide may have been in the spot.  The cut-away was symmetrical.   The trap we found was too large to fit inside the fish hut door (see attached picture of the fish hut door that was replaced after the break-in).


(sorry my software won't let me post the photos of the fisherman's huts and the photo of the cage in the brushes behind the huts)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 14, 2009, 10:57:57 PM
Leak said: "I do not trust Faith, Blonde or Hotshot any further than I can throw them.
Lala's has warned Caps about Hotshot so he won't tell her anything. LOL



LMAO!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Cripes, Elaine, that Avatar skairt the bejeebers outta me! lol



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 10:58:21 PM
Leak said:  He [Caps] has a brother who works for immigration at the airport & one that is an attorney. He said he knows Clyde Burke very well & has worked closely wioth him on some things.


Actually, Caps said it is his uncle who is the attorney.



I LOVe that, lol, "leak said"....etc

As in Leaky and Squeaky says....

Okay, Carry on....

Kermit, thank you for all you do! I appreciate it ! ::MonkeyWink::

You are most welcome.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 11:00:03 PM
Mon Mar 03, 2008 LEAK said: "Yes, We did have the meeting today. It was a long meeting and we are all set to start the process of a permit to drain.
The meeting end at 5:00 pm and was very good. "



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Elaine on March 14, 2009, 11:01:40 PM
Leak said: "I do not trust Faith, Blonde or Hotshot any further than I can throw them.
Lala's has warned Caps about Hotshot so he won't tell her anything. LOL



LMAO!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Cripes, Elaine, that Avatar skairt the bejeebers outta me! lol

 ::MonkeyCool::
LOL, How are you doing ART.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 11:02:09 PM
LEAK said: "Not sure how long caps has been around the case but he is about 50 years old & is his father's caregiver."



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 11:04:41 PM
CAPS posted:
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #184 on: Today at 01:19:08 AM »

on another note got a call from John...things looks good.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.180


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Mere on March 14, 2009, 11:06:23 PM
elaine...Hi....looks like you went shopping at ebay for those glasses and jewelry....!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 14, 2009, 11:07:23 PM
Leak said: "I do not trust Faith, Blonde or Hotshot any further than I can throw them.
Lala's has warned Caps about Hotshot so he won't tell her anything. LOL



LMAO!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Cripes, Elaine, that Avatar skairt the bejeebers outta me! lol

 ::MonkeyCool::
LOL, How are you doing ART.

HI Elaine
I am doing just great , thanks!!! How bout you?
btw, I truly LOVE your avatar!!!  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Elaine on March 14, 2009, 11:09:06 PM
elaine...Hi....looks like you went shopping at ebay for those glasses and jewelry....!
I didn't have to Mere, CBB supplies me.  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Mere on March 14, 2009, 11:10:43 PM
Mon Mar 03, 2008 LEAK said: "Yes, We did have the meeting today. It was a long meeting and we are all set to start the process of a permit to drain.
The meeting end at 5:00 pm and was very good. "



Kermit...was leak talking about Caps or was leak in aruba?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 14, 2009, 11:11:12 PM
Mon Mar 03, 2008 LEAK said: "Yes, We did have the meeting today. It was a long meeting and we are all set to start the process of a permit to drain.
The meeting end at 5:00 pm and was very good. "



Kermit, Was Leak on Aruba? or just "leaking" that about Caps?
I am confused.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 14, 2009, 11:11:21 PM
Mon Mar 03, 2008 LEAK said: "Yes, We did have the meeting today. It was a long meeting and we are all set to start the process of a permit to drain.
The meeting end at 5:00 pm and was very good. "



John Silvetti and Caps and a lawyer (caps uncle) were all working together in this whole deal.  Silvetti sold out Natalee for his own personal gain and sold out to Aruba after taking money from lots of good people who were trying to help Natalee, Beth and Dave.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Elaine on March 14, 2009, 11:11:28 PM
LEAK said: "Not sure how long caps has been around the case but he is about 50 years old & is his father's caregiver."


Kermit, sure sounds like the Leak is a real sneak. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 14, 2009, 11:12:11 PM
Mere, color us both confused, lol  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 14, 2009, 11:13:09 PM
LEAK said: "Not sure how long caps has been around the case but he is about 50 years old & is his father's caregiver."


Kermit, sure sounds like the Leak is a real sneak. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel::

Careful, Elaine, you are waxing poetic here! (must be the green glasses)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 11:15:24 PM
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:34:44 -0500

    Sunday is the big carnival in Aruba so everyone is at the carnival


     They will try to Remove the Body out of the Water.
     
    Somebody must have shown them my report....
     
    so Get someone right now to prove him wrong.
     
    CAPSLOCK or to watch the place.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 11:16:20 PM
LEAK said: "Not sure how long caps has been around the case but he is about 50 years old & is his father's caregiver."


Kermit, sure sounds like the Leak is a real sneak. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel::

Careful, Elaine, you are waxing poetic here! (must be the green glasses)

Yes and a member of Chat and Grumble AND their offshoot GoldMonkey.
sneaky sneaky leaky




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 11:17:19 PM
Mon Mar 03, 2008 LEAK said: "Yes, We did have the meeting today. It was a long meeting and we are all set to start the process of a permit to drain.
The meeting end at 5:00 pm and was very good. "



Kermit, Was Leak on Aruba? or just "leaking" that about Caps?
I am confused.


sneaky leaky is not in Aruba.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 11:17:57 PM
Mon Mar 03, 2008 LEAK said: "Yes, We did have the meeting today. It was a long meeting and we are all set to start the process of a permit to drain.
The meeting end at 5:00 pm and was very good. "



John Silvetti and Caps and a lawyer (caps uncle) were all working together in this whole deal.  Silvetti sold out Natalee for his own personal gain and sold out to Aruba after taking money from lots of good people who were trying to help Natalee, Beth and Dave.

Plus Clyde Burke



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Elaine on March 14, 2009, 11:18:12 PM
LEAK said: "Not sure how long caps has been around the case but he is about 50 years old & is his father's caregiver."


Kermit, sure sounds like the Leak is a real sneak. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel::

Careful, Elaine, you are waxing poetic here! (must be the green glasses)

Yes and a member of Chat and Grumble AND their offshoot GoldMonkey.
sneaky sneaky leaky



Thanks Kermit, just as I figured. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Mere on March 14, 2009, 11:19:02 PM
I am sorry to interrupt....I have never known why Caps just dropped in....and what part he has played in the information of the past year.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 11:19:16 PM
Leak said: "I do not trust Faith, Blonde or Hotshot any further than I can throw them.
Lala's has warned Caps about Hotshot so he won't tell her anything. LOL



LMAO!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Cripes, Elaine, that Avatar skairt the bejeebers outta me! lol

 ::MonkeyCool::
LOL, How are you doing ART.

Are those the glasses that Paula Dean sells?

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 14, 2009, 11:20:21 PM
Mon Mar 03, 2008 LEAK said: "Yes, We did have the meeting today. It was a long meeting and we are all set to start the process of a permit to drain.
The meeting end at 5:00 pm and was very good. "



Kermit, Was Leak on Aruba? or just "leaking" that about Caps?
I am confused.


sneaky leaky is not in Aruba.



THanks, Kermit!
I got a little confused there for a bit.
Yeah, Sneaky Leaky and Squeaky too! Good hiding places for those that like to do their damage by the cloak of secrecy.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 14, 2009, 11:21:57 PM
LEAK said: "Not sure how long caps has been around the case but he is about 50 years old & is his father's caregiver."


Kermit, sure sounds like the Leak is a real sneak. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel::

Careful, Elaine, you are waxing poetic here! (must be the green glasses)

Yes and a member of Chat and Grumble AND their offshoot GoldMonkey.
sneaky sneaky leaky



Thanks Kermit, just as I figured. ::MonkeyCool::

Right , Elaine, I figured as much too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 11:22:49 PM
LEAK gives details of what Caps said:

Beside to what I have heard, the body may be in another place now. but that is what this person connected to the Government is saying not knowing who I  am


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Elaine on March 14, 2009, 11:24:33 PM
Leak said: "I do not trust Faith, Blonde or Hotshot any further than I can throw them.
Lala's has warned Caps about Hotshot so he won't tell her anything. LOL



LMAO!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Cripes, Elaine, that Avatar skairt the bejeebers outta me! lol

 ::MonkeyCool::
LOL, How are you doing ART.

Are those the glasses that Paula Dean sells?

 ::MonkeyLaugh::
If she doesn't she should. ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 11:25:12 PM
Mere, Artcolley, Kermit, rjdeer, San, Monkey Mia, Elaine, 2NJSons_Mom, AZSunny, klaasend, Icehawk and Lifesong

GOOD NIGHT!!

Janet
8:25 PM PT



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 14, 2009, 11:26:09 PM
Mere, Artcolley, Kermit, rjdeer, San, Monkey Mia, Elaine, 2NJSons_Mom, AZSunny, klaasend, Icehawk and Lifesong

GOOD NIGHT!!

Janet
8:25 PM PT



Good NIght, Janet, sleep well!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 11:26:13 PM
LEAK said: Kermit, Read this breakdown by Capslock on how he arrived at where Natalee may be. I am not saying he is correct but Dave did reply to him he had someone on the island who could check all this out. We both know that is Mark Purcell.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 11:27:04 PM
If she doesn't she should. ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance::


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 14, 2009, 11:27:54 PM
Mere, Artcolley, Kermit, rjdeer, San, Monkey Mia, Elaine, 2NJSons_Mom, AZSunny, klaasend, Icehawk and Lifesong

GOOD NIGHT!!

Janet
8:25 PM PT



g'nite....see ya later.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 11:32:35 PM
LEAK said: "I [CAPS] have spoken to John and he is in contact with MOS.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 14, 2009, 11:34:14 PM
OKay, I have a question.
Seeing everything that has been posted regarding Kyle, Silvetti, etc, I need to ask WHY the squeaky, leaky bunch have decided to defend the deceitful actions of these people rather than see through it and defend Natalee's family.
Going right for the jugular here...Bottom line, WHAT are they getting out of it?
Are they being compensated for trying to throw everyone off?

I know back in the beginning that AHATA had paid posters, supposedly . I wonder if that is still the case?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 14, 2009, 11:36:30 PM
Mere, Artcolley, Kermit, rjdeer, San, Monkey Mia, Elaine, 2NJSons_Mom, AZSunny, klaasend, Icehawk and Lifesong

GOOD NIGHT!!

Janet
8:25 PM PT



Good Night Janet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 14, 2009, 11:37:34 PM
LEAK said: Kermit, Read this breakdown by Capslock on how he arrived at where Natalee may be. I am not saying he is correct but Dave did reply to him he had someone on the island who could check all this out. We both know that is Mark Purcell.

I am looking.  I want to know who the leak is.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: San on March 14, 2009, 11:39:26 PM
Mere, Artcolley, Kermit, rjdeer, San, Monkey Mia, Elaine, 2NJSons_Mom, AZSunny, klaasend, Icehawk and Lifesong

GOOD NIGHT!!

Janet
8:25 PM PT



Goodnight Janet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 14, 2009, 11:40:31 PM

Mere, Artcolley, Kermit, rjdeer, San, Monkey Mia, Elaine, 2NJSons_Mom, AZSunny, klaasend, Icehawk and Lifesong

GOOD NIGHT!!

Janet
8:25 PM PT



Goodnight, Janet.  God Bless.

If I didn't mention it earlier - great job with Thailand/Hong Kong!  Look forward to hearing if the show was recorded.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 11:41:17 PM
Seems Kyle did UNDERSTAND how Aruba works

Kyle said to John:
I don’t know why Destiny is being fed information. I also don’t know why Clyde Burke is leaking information to Caps, or Cap’s role in all this. I do know that ALE has leaked like a sieve from the beginning and the information has always ended up on the internet and brought to the message boards. I have not posted in a long time, except for the few posts after the pond pics were posted, but I do read from time to time to keep up on things.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 11:44:51 PM
 John said to Kyle: "CAPSLOCK is another EGO that has to pump out the “I solved it” information. Systems analyst my ass. He is not if even employed! I could tell you more, but not now."



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 14, 2009, 11:45:18 PM
OKay, I have a question.
Seeing everything that has been posted regarding Kyle, Silvetti, etc, I need to ask WHY the squeaky, leaky bunch have decided to defend the deceitful actions of these people rather than see through it and defend Natalee's family.
Going right for the jugular here...Bottom line, WHAT are they getting out of it?
Are they being compensated for trying to throw everyone off?

I know back in the beginning that AHATA had paid posters, supposedly . I wonder if that is still the case?

Artcolley - wow, I find that hard to believe.  Not so much people like Purcell or Renfro and several others that may have a vested interest in Aruba but people like ldstlou and others?  I just doubt it.  I think they are misinformed and distracted by the same people that have been blocking justice for Natalee all these years.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 14, 2009, 11:45:45 PM
Seems Kyle did UNDERSTAND how Aruba works

Kyle said to John:
I don’t know why Destiny is being fed information. I also don’t know why Clyde Burke is leaking information to Caps, or Cap’s role in all this. I do know that ALE has leaked like a sieve from the beginning and the information has always ended up on the internet and brought to the message boards. I have not posted in a long time, except for the few posts after the pond pics were posted, but I do read from time to time to keep up on things.

Things that make me go Hmmmmm.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 11:46:37 PM
THIS IS CAPS WHO MENTIONS CLYDE BURKE
My C.S.I Degree from the University of Cryptologic consist of Simian 101, Simian 102, and Strategic Cryptology science given by Prof. Clyde Burk.


THEN later he posts



CAPS:

The detectives knew the motel's owner, so we drove by his home.  We were hoping he would be there so we could talk to him.  We were in an unmarked car with heavily tinted windows and a regular license plate that was rotated out frequently so as not to be recognizable.  He was not at home, but the detectives said they would keep a close watch on him......
/scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.60


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 11:46:40 PM
OKay, I have a question.
Seeing everything that has been posted regarding Kyle, Silvetti, etc, I need to ask WHY the squeaky, leaky bunch have decided to defend the deceitful actions of these people rather than see through it and defend Natalee's family.
Going right for the jugular here...Bottom line, WHAT are they getting out of it?

Are they being compensated for trying to throw everyone off?

I know back in the beginning that AHATA had paid posters, supposedly . I wonder if that is still the case?

Art ...there is a collective agenda but ... I cannot figure out what or if an incentive has been afforded.

I contend that it is realized by John Silvetti supporters that Kyle Kingman's words reveal the truth encompassing his betrayal of Natalee Holloway, the family and those who embraced the Persistence undertaking with prayers and financial support.

Kyle Kingman holds the the power ... the Ace card and ... he must be appeased if John Silvetti is to be protected from the legal and professional fallout encompassing so many aspects of the Persistence deception.

THE PROBLEM: Kyle Kingman's own words.

THE SOLUTION: Create a smokescreen to obscure Kyle Kingman's own words. The messengers must be the focus. The messengers must be discredited.

Janet




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 14, 2009, 11:50:26 PM
OKay, I have a question.
Seeing everything that has been posted regarding Kyle, Silvetti, etc, I need to ask WHY the squeaky, leaky bunch have decided to defend the deceitful actions of these people rather than see through it and defend Natalee's family.
Going right for the jugular here...Bottom line, WHAT are they getting out of it?
Are they being compensated for trying to throw everyone off?

I know back in the beginning that AHATA had paid posters, supposedly . I wonder if that is still the case?

Artcolley - wow, I find that hard to believe.  Not so much people like Purcell or Renfro and several others that may have a vested interest in Aruba but people like ldstlou and others?  I just doubt it.  I think they are misinformed and distracted by the same people that have been blocking justice for Natalee all these years.

Yes, could be bogus . Seems a little "out there".
BUt, OTOH, why in the world would anyone do all this? There has to be a reason. What is that reason?
As we've seen, some do not seem to have the best interests of Natalee's family in mind with all their trashing and bashing...so what could be the motive?

OH and btw, I don't think Ldstlou is any part of anything like that.
 BUt I must ask myself about a few others..very few, I might add. But it has puzzled me for a long time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 14, 2009, 11:51:53 PM
OKay, I have a question.
Seeing everything that has been posted regarding Kyle, Silvetti, etc, I need to ask WHY the squeaky, leaky bunch have decided to defend the deceitful actions of these people rather than see through it and defend Natalee's family.
Going right for the jugular here...Bottom line, WHAT are they getting out of it?

Are they being compensated for trying to throw everyone off?

I know back in the beginning that AHATA had paid posters, supposedly . I wonder if that is still the case?

Art ...there is a collective agenda but ... I cannot figure out what or if an incentive has been afforded.

I contend that it is realized by John Silvetti supporters that Kyle Kingman's words reveal the truth encompassing his betrayal of Natalee Holloway, the family and those who embraced the Persistence undertaking with prayers and financial support.

Kyle Kingman holds the the power ... the Ace card and ... he must be appeased if John Silvetti is to be protected from the legal and professional fallout encompassing so many aspects of the Persistence deception.

THE PROBLEM: Kyle Kingman's own words.

THE SOLUTION: Create a smokescreen to obscure Kyle Kingman's own words. The messengers must be the focus. The messengers must be discredited.

Janet




Yes, Janet, I agree


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 11:52:10 PM
LegalLex
Re: The RV Persistence to Leave Aruba
« Reply #56 on: March 01, 2008, 07:08:21 PM »

Please continue to try and raise the funds so that another boat with an ROV can come in and look at those targets. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2009, 11:56:25 PM

Mere, Artcolley, Kermit, rjdeer, San, Monkey Mia, Elaine, 2NJSons_Mom, AZSunny, klaasend, Icehawk and Lifesong

GOOD NIGHT!!

Janet
8:25 PM PT



Goodnight, Janet.  God Bless.

If I didn't mention it earlier - great job with Thailand/Hong Kong!  Look forward to hearing if the show was recorded.



Lifesong ... we got home a short time ago with two grandkids in two from a family gathering in the Vancouver area.  My daughter and rest of family are faced with another 45 minute drive before they reach home.  She promised me she would check her email as soon as she gets home and ... give me a call.  I am sitting on pins and needles.

Janet 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 14, 2009, 11:58:25 PM
Mon Mar 03, 2008 LEAK said: "Yes, We did have the meeting today. It was a long meeting and we are all set to start the process of a permit to drain.
The meeting end at 5:00 pm and was very good. "



John Silvetti and Caps and a lawyer (caps uncle) were all working together in this whole deal.  Silvetti sold out Natalee for his own personal gain and sold out to Aruba after taking money from lots of good people who were trying to help Natalee, Beth and Dave.

Plus Clyde Burke



I'm confused about Caps' uncle.  I thought the lawyer was Helen Lejuez, no? 

OMG - Is she in drag?!   ::MonkeyEek::

Sorry.

Seriously, please explain the lawyer?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 14, 2009, 11:58:35 PM
The Dark Side doesn't seem to hold up what they tell SM to do

Caps is doing fine...he is a tough person so I doubt his feelings were hurt by anyone that dared to ask a question.  I am not about to go there again...but if you are going to post here you have to bring your best game and be ready to support what you say.  He understands this...he told me so.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2867.900


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 15, 2009, 12:00:48 AM
Ham bone connected to the knee bone.....

Caps.....OK we need to talk tomorrow (WED) , I talked to both people.  It's good news.  Hope you read this.... Call me around noon if you can.  Kath
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2879.660


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 15, 2009, 12:01:55 AM
The Dark Side doesn't seem to hold up what they tell SM to do

Caps is doing fine...he is a tough person so I doubt his feelings were hurt by anyone that dared to ask a question.  I am not about to go there again...but if you are going to post here you have to bring your best game and be ready to support what you say.  He understands this...he told me so.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2867.900

O.K. I think I know now.  Duh.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 15, 2009, 12:03:23 AM
Ham bone connected to the knee bone.....

Caps.....OK we need to talk tomorrow (WED) , I talked to both people.  It's good news.  Hope you read this.... Call me around noon if you can.  Kath
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2879.660

Well, yes, it certainly is.
Squeaky and leaky, lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 15, 2009, 12:04:34 AM
 Caps and Pond posts
Joran's passport posted
Joran's picture in North Korea
K-Swiss Tennis shoe picture
Joran's nekkied pic in Thailand
Woman raped in Aruba
John summoned back to Aruba


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Mere on March 15, 2009, 12:04:52 AM
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« Reply #909 on: May 31, 2008, 08:39:52 PM » 

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Caps is doing fine...he is a tough person so I doubt his feelings were hurt by anyone that dared to ask a question.  I am not about to go there again...but if you are going to post here you have to bring your best game and be ready to support what you say.  He understands this...he told me so...he's been busy. He is waiting for the next step. I fear he will have to wait for a while from something I have heard recently. Let's not rehash this subject any longer...please. 



This is a post by lalas....are you saying that this is the leak?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 15, 2009, 12:07:55 AM
Gotta head out for awhile...The wife and I are taking the youngest of our 3 daughters out for her 18th birthday dinner(Universal studios City Walk in LA).
I'll check back in later to see if Bastibro and/or his group care to provide links.... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
I won't hold my breath.... ::MonkeyCool::
Hey billb ....Tell Your Daughter Happy Birthday....Today would have been My Grandma's Birthday She was born in 1900 and Tomorrow is Mine.....I'm just alittle older than Your Daughter..lol...I wish I was 18 again and know what I know now I could be rich or close to it.... Seriously Tell Her that Hotping Says Happy Birthday and I Wish Her Many More!  ::MonkeyDance::
Thanks for the Happy Birthday wish for my daughter Hotping....She says Thank You too.
Wouldn't it be nice to all be 18 again!
Take care all....
Everyone is pooped here from the long day and dinner....and one HAPPY 18 year old.
Goodnight all good Monkeys....
Tell Bastibro I tried to stay up to see his posts with links supporting his views...I'm sure he'll post them later... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 15, 2009, 12:07:58 AM
Mon Mar 03, 2008 LEAK said: "Yes, We did have the meeting today. It was a long meeting and we are all set to start the process of a permit to drain.
The meeting end at 5:00 pm and was very good. "



John Silvetti and Caps and a lawyer (caps uncle) were all working together in this whole deal.  Silvetti sold out Natalee for his own personal gain and sold out to Aruba after taking money from lots of good people who were trying to help Natalee, Beth and Dave.

Plus Clyde Burke



I'm confused about Caps' uncle.  I thought the lawyer was Helen Lejuez, no? 

OMG - Is she in drag?!   ::MonkeyEek::

Sorry.

Seriously, please explain the lawyer?


And I can see why you would be confused, at least, I was too at first.
Caps tells us his uncle is an attorney.
However, he has his witness go to Helen Lejuez, the attorney to tell his story. She calls in Clyde Burke.

If your uncle was an attorney, wouldn't you want your uncle to be at the meeting when your witness friend gives a statement about a major crime and what he saw?

Wouldn't you want an attorney present when you give your lie detector test? heh heh




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 15, 2009, 12:09:29 AM
Gotta head out for awhile...The wife and I are taking the youngest of our 3 daughters out for her 18th birthday dinner(Universal studios City Walk in LA).
I'll check back in later to see if Bastibro and/or his group care to provide links.... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
I won't hold my breath.... ::MonkeyCool::
Hey billb ....Tell Your Daughter Happy Birthday....Today would have been My Grandma's Birthday She was born in 1900 and Tomorrow is Mine.....I'm just alittle older than Your Daughter..lol...I wish I was 18 again and know what I know now I could be rich or close to it.... Seriously Tell Her that Hotping Says Happy Birthday and I Wish Her Many More!  ::MonkeyDance::
Thanks for the Happy Birthday wish for my daughter Hotping....She says Thank You too.
Wouldn't it be nice to all be 18 again!
Take care all....
Everyone is pooped here from the long day and dinner....and one HAPPY 18 year old.
Goodnight all good Monkeys....
Tell Bastibro I tried to stay up to see his posts with links supporting his views...I'm sure he'll post them later... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyWink::

Hope you had a great time Billb And daughter had a wonderful 18th Birthday.With a father like you.It's covered...As to Bastibro and Co.I currently think Kermit has that fully covered...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 15, 2009, 12:10:26 AM
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Caps is doing fine...he is a tough person so I doubt his feelings were hurt by anyone that dared to ask a question.  I am not about to go there again...but if you are going to post here you have to bring your best game and be ready to support what you say.  He understands this...he told me so...he's been busy. He is waiting for the next step. I fear he will have to wait for a while from something I have heard recently. Let's not rehash this subject any longer...please. 



This is a post by lalas....are you saying that this is the leak?

I am not going to out the leak just now.

However,
lalasmom did post that people should be ready to support what they say.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 15, 2009, 12:11:48 AM
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Caps is doing fine...he is a tough person so I doubt his feelings were hurt by anyone that dared to ask a question.  I am not about to go there again...but if you are going to post here you have to bring your best game and be ready to support what you say.  He understands this...he told me so...he's been busy. He is waiting for the next step. I fear he will have to wait for a while from something I have heard recently. Let's not rehash this subject any longer...please. 



This is a post by lalas....are you saying that this is the leak?

I am not going to out the leak just now.

However,
lalasmom did post that people should be ready to support what they say.




I will pay to see the expression on all those poster's faces once we know who the leak is... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 15, 2009, 12:13:25 AM
There may be more money STRIKING OIL but,isn't it much more fun STRIKING NERVES............. ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Mere on March 15, 2009, 12:16:36 AM
Thank you Kermit....

I do not want to leave that question out there if that was incorrect. 

I do understand that this is something to be answered when you are ready.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 15, 2009, 12:18:18 AM
There may be more money STRIKING OIL but,isn't it much more fun STRIKING NERVES............. ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

KTF, you are having entirely tooo much fun!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 15, 2009, 12:19:02 AM
Thank you Kermit....

I do not want to leave that question out there if that was incorrect. 

I do understand that this is something to be answered when you are ready.

Oh you have to know I'll tell, but for now I want to wait. I have my reasons.
The more the dark side lies, the more I'm willing to reveal. They have more then one sneaky leaker.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 15, 2009, 12:20:52 AM
There may be more money STRIKING OIL but,isn't it much more fun STRIKING NERVES............. ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

KTF, you are having entirely tooo much fun!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel::

All because of a small Frog who believed!Believed in TRUTH & JUSTICE..I also figured it was an appropriate time to change my signature line to a quote from an honorable man!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 15, 2009, 12:21:30 AM
I will pay to see the expression on all those poster's faces once we know who the leak is... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

You have to know from the patterns of what they do and say that they have....um...what was that Idstlou said, "I pooped my pants"





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 15, 2009, 12:22:23 AM
That is a great quote KFT.

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 15, 2009, 12:29:22 AM
There may be more money STRIKING OIL but,isn't it much more fun STRIKING NERVES............. ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

KTF, you are having entirely tooo much fun!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel::

All because of a small Frog who believed!Believed in TRUTH & JUSTICE..I also figured it was an appropriate time to change my signature line to a quote from an honorable man!

YES!!!!
and I do love your signature line!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 15, 2009, 12:30:50 AM
I will pay to see the expression on all those poster's faces once we know who the leak is... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

You have to know from the patterns of what they do and say that they have....um...what was that Idstlou said, "I pooped my pants"





Well, adult diapers would come in handy for them. OR giant wee wee pads like the doggies use...could tie them right around their waists if needs be.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2009, 12:35:56 AM
Gotta head out for awhile...The wife and I are taking the youngest of our 3 daughters out for her 18th birthday dinner(Universal studios City Walk in LA).
I'll check back in later to see if Bastibro and/or his group care to provide links.... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
I won't hold my breath.... ::MonkeyCool::
Hey billb ....Tell Your Daughter Happy Birthday....Today would have been My Grandma's Birthday She was born in 1900 and Tomorrow is Mine.....I'm just alittle older than Your Daughter..lol...I wish I was 18 again and know what I know now I could be rich or close to it.... Seriously Tell Her that Hotping Says Happy Birthday and I Wish Her Many More!  ::MonkeyDance::
Thanks for the Happy Birthday wish for my daughter Hotping....She says Thank You too.
Wouldn't it be nice to all be 18 again!
Take care all....
Everyone is pooped here from the long day and dinner....and one HAPPY 18 year old.
Goodnight all good Monkeys....
Tell Bastibro I tried to stay up to see his posts with links supporting his views...I'm sure he'll post them later... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyWink::

Sorry I missed you billb!   ::MonkeyWaa::

Belated Happy Birthday to your daughter!   ::MonkeyDance::

It sounds like she had a great day!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 15, 2009, 12:36:23 AM
That is a great quote KFT.

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Thanx Kermit and ArtColley!

I believe we Monkey's are,a small body of determined spirits,fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission.And yes!!We can alter the course of history.Just as the EVIL POWERS that be on ARUBA are attempting to do.PROBLEM is..The DARK will come to light sooner or later.It is inevitable..TIME IS ON OUR SIDE.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 15, 2009, 12:38:41 AM
Gotta head out for awhile...The wife and I are taking the youngest of our 3 daughters out for her 18th birthday dinner(Universal studios City Walk in LA).
I'll check back in later to see if Bastibro and/or his group care to provide links.... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
I won't hold my breath.... ::MonkeyCool::
Hey billb ....Tell Your Daughter Happy Birthday....Today would have been My Grandma's Birthday She was born in 1900 and Tomorrow is Mine.....I'm just alittle older than Your Daughter..lol...I wish I was 18 again and know what I know now I could be rich or close to it.... Seriously Tell Her that Hotping Says Happy Birthday and I Wish Her Many More!  ::MonkeyDance::
Thanks for the Happy Birthday wish for my daughter Hotping....She says Thank You too.
Wouldn't it be nice to all be 18 again!
Take care all....
Everyone is pooped here from the long day and dinner....and one HAPPY 18 year old.
Goodnight all good Monkeys....
Tell Bastibro I tried to stay up to see his posts with links supporting his views...I'm sure he'll post them later... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyWink::

Sorry I missed you billb!   ::MonkeyWaa::

Belated Happy Birthday to your daughter!   ::MonkeyDance::

It sounds like she had a great day!   ::MonkeyCool::

TM.Can you imagine if BillB took the Laptop!!!!Him an the 18yr old could've been Stackin  together as adults! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 15, 2009, 12:40:51 AM
Gotta head out for awhile...The wife and I are taking the youngest of our 3 daughters out for her 18th birthday dinner(Universal studios City Walk in LA).
I'll check back in later to see if Bastibro and/or his group care to provide links.... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
I won't hold my breath.... ::MonkeyCool::
Hey billb ....Tell Your Daughter Happy Birthday....Today would have been My Grandma's Birthday She was born in 1900 and Tomorrow is Mine.....I'm just alittle older than Your Daughter..lol...I wish I was 18 again and know what I know now I could be rich or close to it.... Seriously Tell Her that Hotping Says Happy Birthday and I Wish Her Many More!  ::MonkeyDance::
Thanks for the Happy Birthday wish for my daughter Hotping....She says Thank You too.
Wouldn't it be nice to all be 18 again!
Take care all....
Everyone is pooped here from the long day and dinner....and one HAPPY 18 year old.
Goodnight all good Monkeys....
Tell Bastibro I tried to stay up to see his posts with links supporting his views...I'm sure he'll post them later... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyWink::

Sorry I missed you billb!   ::MonkeyWaa::

Belated Happy Birthday to your daughter!   ::MonkeyDance::

It sounds like she had a great day!   ::MonkeyCool::

TM.Can you imagine if BillB took the Laptop!!!!Him an the 18yr old could've been Stackin  together as adults! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::


COME ON BILLB!!LET THE DAUGHTER DO JUST ONE STACK... ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 15, 2009, 12:44:08 AM
Gotta head out for awhile...The wife and I are taking the youngest of our 3 daughters out for her 18th birthday dinner(Universal studios City Walk in LA).
I'll check back in later to see if Bastibro and/or his group care to provide links.... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
I won't hold my breath.... ::MonkeyCool::
Hey billb ....Tell Your Daughter Happy Birthday....Today would have been My Grandma's Birthday She was born in 1900 and Tomorrow is Mine.....I'm just alittle older than Your Daughter..lol...I wish I was 18 again and know what I know now I could be rich or close to it.... Seriously Tell Her that Hotping Says Happy Birthday and I Wish Her Many More!  ::MonkeyDance::
Thanks for the Happy Birthday wish for my daughter Hotping....She says Thank You too.
Wouldn't it be nice to all be 18 again!
Take care all....
Everyone is pooped here from the long day and dinner....and one HAPPY 18 year old.
Goodnight all good Monkeys....
Tell Bastibro I tried to stay up to see his posts with links supporting his views...I'm sure he'll post them later... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyWink::

Sorry I missed you billb!   ::MonkeyWaa::

Belated Happy Birthday to your daughter!   ::MonkeyDance::

It sounds like she had a great day!   ::MonkeyCool::

TM.Can you imagine if BillB took the Laptop!!!!Him an the 18yr old could've been Stackin  together as adults! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::


COME ON BILLB!!LET THE DAUGHTER DO JUST ONE STACK... ::cartwheel::

FOR PETE'S SAKE BILL!IT'S HER 18TH BIRTHDAY..WHAT MORE COULD A 18 YR OLD WANT OTHER THEN TO STACK WITH A BUNCH OF MONKEY'S ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2009, 12:44:56 AM
Gotta head out for awhile...The wife and I are taking the youngest of our 3 daughters out for her 18th birthday dinner(Universal studios City Walk in LA).
I'll check back in later to see if Bastibro and/or his group care to provide links.... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
I won't hold my breath.... ::MonkeyCool::
Hey billb ....Tell Your Daughter Happy Birthday....Today would have been My Grandma's Birthday She was born in 1900 and Tomorrow is Mine.....I'm just alittle older than Your Daughter..lol...I wish I was 18 again and know what I know now I could be rich or close to it.... Seriously Tell Her that Hotping Says Happy Birthday and I Wish Her Many More!  ::MonkeyDance::
Thanks for the Happy Birthday wish for my daughter Hotping....She says Thank You too.
Wouldn't it be nice to all be 18 again!
Take care all....
Everyone is pooped here from the long day and dinner....and one HAPPY 18 year old.
Goodnight all good Monkeys....
Tell Bastibro I tried to stay up to see his posts with links supporting his views...I'm sure he'll post them later... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyWink::

Sorry I missed you billb!   ::MonkeyWaa::

Belated Happy Birthday to your daughter!   ::MonkeyDance::

It sounds like she had a great day!   ::MonkeyCool::

TM.Can you imagine if BillB took the Laptop!!!!Him an the 18yr old could've been Stackin  together as adults! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Can you imagine what she'd tell her friends about that experience?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

and what they'd say????

You were doing WHAT with your dad???? Stackin'?  ::MonkeyRoll::

Awwww who cares what they'd probably say about us, it's good clean fun!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 15, 2009, 12:46:35 AM
Caps and Pond posts
Joran's passport posted
Joran's picture in North Korea
K-Swiss Tennis shoe picture
Joran's nekkied pic in Thailand
Woman raped in Aruba
John summoned back to Aruba


...and more pictures at Joran's Flickr Account (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joranvandersloot/).

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/35/110010235_c46b848994.jpg)

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/15/89011309_9d954afab6.jpg)
This one is captioned, "No Condom, No Sex" Said Joran.....

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/32/57400011_abbf8f7fe7_m.jpg)
This one is titled, "Joran and Deepak Hunting"

Okay, I get that these hundreds of photos were not posted by Joran because there are too many that either show him in a bad light or are sympathetic to Beth, such as the following photo:
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/18/23950796_8b467defa1_m.jpg)

HOWEVER... there are also far, far too many "intimate" buddy-buddy family only-Joran-would-have-them type pictures here, as well.

It doesn't make sense. Some of these photos are obviously from Joran's private collection. But, it seems they were posted by an SM monkey-type person who is sympathetic to Beth. The happy Joran with his friends pictures are there merely as investigative tools???  So how did an outsider get some of these pictures? Just curious, is all.

Here's another, titled, "Sander and Joran" and it looks like he's double-teaming yet another girl with a buddy:
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/18/23790186_7fb9b42909_o.jpg)
This girl absolutely looks drugged or so very drunk she's on the point of vomiting and/or passing out.

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/17/23363102_c41de17ce8_o.jpg)
I liked the comment on this one from someone named lmm6381:   "Is that the beach you left her at Joran. That's what you said in your interview. Or was that just another lie? Good luck in hell you piece of $hit!" The comment was posted 35 months ago.

You think maybe Joran and all his co-conspirators in the Aruban cover-up are getting the idea by now THAT WE WILL NEVER FORGET, NOT EVER. We love and care about Beth and Natalee and we stand with them forever and ever, never wavering. The pressure will NEVER let up, Aruba. Give us Natalee back! Let her come home! We'll never give up. Never, never, never.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2009, 12:50:09 AM
oldiebutgoodie said:
Quote
You think maybe Joran and all his co-conspirators in the Aruban cover-up are getting the idea by now THAT WE WILL NEVER FORGET, NOT EVER. We love and care about Beth and Natalee and we stand with them forever and ever, never wavering. The pressure will NEVER let up, Aruba. Give us Natalee back! Let her come home! We'll never give up. Never, never, never.

That's right oldiebutgoodie!!!!!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 15, 2009, 01:00:37 AM
Keepthefaith, rjdeer, Artcolley, Blue Moon, klaasend, iris44, Mere, oldiebutgoodie, Monkey Mia

Good Evening Monkey's.. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 15, 2009, 01:01:29 AM
oldiebutgoodie said:
Quote
You think maybe Joran and all his co-conspirators in the Aruban cover-up are getting the idea by now THAT WE WILL NEVER FORGET, NOT EVER. We love and care about Beth and Natalee and we stand with them forever and ever, never wavering. The pressure will NEVER let up, Aruba. Give us Natalee back! Let her come home! We'll never give up. Never, never, never.

That's right oldiebutgoodie!!!!!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

I like Oldie.  Told them the other night we need him/her here more often.  I like their posts.

I need to call it a night.  I have set here all day on the computer keeping up here, at Haleigh's site and trying to do some more genealogy updates.  I think I need to call it a day.   Good Night All.

Blue Moon


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Mere on March 15, 2009, 01:02:33 AM
Keepthefaith, rjdeer, Artcolley, Blue Moon, klaasend, iris44, Mere, oldiebutgoodie, Monkey Mia

Good Evening Monkey's.. ::MonkeyWink::


Good Evening KTF.....are you feeling better???   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 15, 2009, 01:04:01 AM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/7644/8/

(http://www.24ora.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/1..stories.news.2009.march.march14.boto.IMGP6679.JPG)


Gasolin ta caba ariba boto y ta drief bay cu persona abordo        
Saturday, 14 March 2009 - 23:22 
Den oranan di diasabra anochi nos di 24ora.com ta ricibi informacion cu aparentemente lo mester tin un boto ta drief cu 1 persona ariba dje.Immediatamente reporteronan di 24ora.coma dirigi nan mes pa e pier di Bugalu ariba e informacion cu nos a ricibi.Locual cu a pasa ta cu un persona cu mester subi ariba e boto di Tattoo, lo mester a jega laat pa esaki y na dado momento a subi ariba un boto cu no tawata tin fuel den dje y cu consequencia e boto aki a drief bay afo cune. Immediatamente a pidi assistencia di boto di Polis pa bay duna un man pa asina por localiza e boto aki y tow nan bek pa canto. Ora cu nan a jega canto e persona a conta Polis cu ainda falta 2 persona mas cu a bay cune y na dado momento mester a bula awa.


Then this one that appears to be related:

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/7643/5/#jc_allComments

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/breaking%20news.gif)

Accion di emergencia pa haya dos hende perdi         
Saturday, 14 March 2009 - 23:24 
Despues cu maritiem politie (Polis riba Laman) a duna un man den un caso unda cu tres persona lo a subi un boto sin authorisacion y gasolin a caba cu nan na caminda ta start un accion di busqueda. Aparentemente lo a pensa cu dos di e hendenan a landa bin tera y un otro a keda abordo ( di cual e la ser encontra riba e boto). Awor ta sali na cla cu no por haya paradero di e otro dos personanan cu aparentemente lo a landa bin tera. Debi cu no por haya nan paradero boto di polis, search & rescue y helicopter ta saliendo na e momomentonan aki (11.09pm) pa busca riba laman. Asina cu tin mas informacion nos lo duna un update

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Mere on March 15, 2009, 01:05:40 AM
Good night Blue Moon.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 15, 2009, 01:07:27 AM
Keepthefaith, rjdeer, Artcolley, Blue Moon, klaasend, iris44, Mere, oldiebutgoodie, Monkey Mia

Good Evening Monkey's.. ::MonkeyWink::


Good Evening KTF.....are you feeling better???   ::MonkeyDance::

Good Evening Mere!I think after one more nights rest i'll be about 95%..Which is excellent compared to where the family has been at.I think the girlfriend is now in the middle of her bout with the nasty sickness!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 15, 2009, 01:07:57 AM
Goodnight BlueMoon!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 15, 2009, 01:11:53 AM
Caps and Pond posts
Joran's passport posted
Joran's picture in North Korea
K-Swiss Tennis shoe picture
Joran's nekkied pic in Thailand
Woman raped in Aruba
John summoned back to Aruba


...and more pictures at Joran's Flickr Account (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joranvandersloot/).

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/35/110010235_c46b848994.jpg)

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/15/89011309_9d954afab6.jpg)
This one is captioned, "No Condom, No Sex" Said Joran.....

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/32/57400011_abbf8f7fe7_m.jpg)
This one is titled, "Joran and Deepak Hunting"

Okay, I get that these hundreds of photos were not posted by Joran because there are too many that either show him in a bad light or are sympathetic to Beth, such as the following photo:
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/18/23950796_8b467defa1_m.jpg)

HOWEVER... there are also far, far too many "intimate" buddy-buddy family only-Joran-would-have-them type pictures here, as well.

It doesn't make sense. Some of these photos are obviously from Joran's private collection. But, it seems they were posted by an SM monkey-type person who is sympathetic to Beth. The happy Joran with his friends pictures are there merely as investigative tools???  So how did an outsider get some of these pictures? Just curious, is all.

Here's another, titled, "Sander and Joran" and it looks like he's double-teaming yet another girl with a buddy:
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/18/23790186_7fb9b42909_o.jpg)
This girl absolutely looks drugged or so very drunk she's on the point of vomiting and/or passing out.

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/17/23363102_c41de17ce8_o.jpg)
I liked the comment on this one from someone named lmm6381:   "Is that the beach you left her at Joran. That's what you said in your interview. Or was that just another lie? Good luck in hell you piece of $hit!" The comment was posted 35 months ago.

You think maybe Joran and all his co-conspirators in the Aruban cover-up are getting the idea by now THAT WE WILL NEVER FORGET, NOT EVER. We love and care about Beth and Natalee and we stand with them forever and ever, never wavering. The pressure will NEVER let up, Aruba. Give us Natalee back! Let her come home! We'll never give up. Never, never, never.



Not that it's a big deal but,i do find it interesting that the same bank in the litigation for Superior offshore,Jp Morgan Chase,is also the bank of choice for Tacopina and the defense fund set up for Joran Van Der Sloot..Why would you set up a defense fund at Jp Morgan Chase for Joran Van Der Sloot and who the Heck would donate to it??Wouldn't that be interesting to find out....FOLLOW THE MONEY...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 15, 2009, 01:17:08 AM

Gotta head out for awhile...The wife and I are taking the youngest of our 3 daughters out for her 18th birthday dinner(Universal studios City Walk in LA).I'll check back in later to see if Bastibro and/or his group care to provide links.... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
I won't hold my breath.... ::MonkeyCool::


I've never been to City Walk and I always wanted to go. A very long time ago before there ever was a City Walk, I was "field arrested" and let go on the spot at the huge restaurant outside the Universal Studios entrance -- is that a Victoria Station? I don't remember now. Anyway, some friends and I were demonstrating on behalf of Soviet Jews and Christians when some members of the Soviet politburo were being given a tour. We actually were able to get in the salad bar line with some of the Soviet diplomats and near the end of the line, we turned and dumped salad on their heads and as they stood there in shock, dripping (Russian dressing, of course - that was my "special touch," lol), we ran outside yelling all the while, "Let my people go! Let my people go!" We weren't actually taken to jail and booked because the young man I was with was only 15 or so and that involved Juvenile Hall and Family Court and extra paperwork and calling parents so they just let us go with the warning that we were never to enter that restaurant again. Ever. So you know absolutely where I had to go on my next fancy dinner date...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 15, 2009, 01:17:15 AM
Well, time for this old monkey to hit the hay

NIte nite and sleep tight everyone


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 15, 2009, 01:20:16 AM
Well, time for this old monkey to hit the hay

NIte nite and sleep tight everyone

GoodNight ArtColley!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: iris44 on March 15, 2009, 01:24:15 AM
It appears that at least one of our prodical monkeys is no longer bowing unconditionally to Lou's justification of Kyle Kingman's own words.  Iris appears to be thinking for herself and ... challenging the status quo.

Janet

++++++


Iris 44
Re: The Cage
« Reply #65 on: Today at 12:43:23 am »


ldstlou,
I can believe that Kyle got caught up in the emotion at first, but why did he keep posting about it much later with the Freebirds?  I wonder what his intentions were at that point.  Were you communicating with him then? 

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.60


Iris is an analyst.  That's what she does.  I believe I read her stating this several times. 
She can be found here:
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:oHqQw8HzuMVIjM:http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~psyc351/Images/Fed%2520Ex%2520Logo.jpg)



I wrote that post with a bit of sarcasm.  Meant to let Janet, know, as well.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

I guess my attempt to impress everyone with my job just didn't work.  Next time I will choose something much more impressive.  Hmmhhh.......what should I choose?  OK, I thought of something, but I can't tell you right now.  All in good time.  I have my reasons.







OK, it's time.  Here is a clue:

Iway oughtbray ownday away ice-presidentvay

Yikes, I better get out of here quick!

Take care, monkeys....

 ::MonkeyWink::

















Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 15, 2009, 01:25:20 AM
Goodnight, everybody.

One last picture, okay?

"Tattoo Caption" Contest
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/23/25839765_74dcc0fa7e.jpg)

If you could imagine/create any tattoo here, what would it say and what would it look like?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 15, 2009, 01:26:40 AM
It appears that at least one of our prodical monkeys is no longer bowing unconditionally to Lou's justification of Kyle Kingman's own words.  Iris appears to be thinking for herself and ... challenging the status quo.

Janet

++++++


Iris 44
Re: The Cage
« Reply #65 on: Today at 12:43:23 am »


ldstlou,
I can believe that Kyle got caught up in the emotion at first, but why did he keep posting about it much later with the Freebirds?  I wonder what his intentions were at that point.  Were you communicating with him then? 

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.60


Iris is an analyst.  That's what she does.  I believe I read her stating this several times. 
She can be found here:
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:oHqQw8HzuMVIjM:http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~psyc351/Images/Fed%2520Ex%2520Logo.jpg)



I wrote that post with a bit of sarcasm.  Meant to let Janet, know, as well.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

I guess my attempt to impress everyone with my job just didn't work.  Next time I will choose something much more impressive.  Hmmhhh.......what should I choose?  OK, I thought of something, but I can't tell you right now.  All in good time.  I have my reasons.







OK, it's time.  Here is a clue:

Iway oughtbray ownday away ice-presidentvay

Yikes, I better get out of here quick!

Take care, monkeys....

 ::MonkeyWink::

















Your BrassMonkey site must be slow ehhh Iris44! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2009, 01:27:29 AM


Goodnight Blue Moon and Artcolley!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2009, 01:38:26 AM
When I was posting the latest news clips in the Murder and Crime thread, I was there with 1 guest.

Just checked again.....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.960

texasmom and 12 Guests are viewing this topic

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 15, 2009, 01:40:44 AM
Still more then 4 posters left Iris44.. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 15, 2009, 01:43:17 AM
When I was posting the latest news clips in the Murder and Crime thread, I was there with 1 guest.

Just checked again.....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.960

texasmom and 12 Guests are viewing this topic

 ::MonkeyEek::

That's great TM...Maybe the thread will continue to have an affect and change small pieces of people's worlds!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 15, 2009, 01:43:58 AM
Still more then 4 posters left Iris44.. ::MonkeyWink::

GoodNight Iris44.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2009, 01:45:57 AM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/7644/8/

(http://www.24ora.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/1..stories.news.2009.march.march14.boto.IMGP6679.JPG)


Gasolin ta caba ariba boto y ta drief bay cu persona abordo        
Saturday, 14 March 2009 - 23:22 
Den oranan di diasabra anochi nos di 24ora.com ta ricibi informacion cu aparentemente lo mester tin un boto ta drief cu 1 persona ariba dje.Immediatamente reporteronan di 24ora.coma dirigi nan mes pa e pier di Bugalu ariba e informacion cu nos a ricibi.Locual cu a pasa ta cu un persona cu mester subi ariba e boto di Tattoo, lo mester a jega laat pa esaki y na dado momento a subi ariba un boto cu no tawata tin fuel den dje y cu consequencia e boto aki a drief bay afo cune. Immediatamente a pidi assistencia di boto di Polis pa bay duna un man pa asina por localiza e boto aki y tow nan bek pa canto. Ora cu nan a jega canto e persona a conta Polis cu ainda falta 2 persona mas cu a bay cune y na dado momento mester a bula awa.


Then this one that appears to be related:

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/7643/5/#jc_allComments

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/breaking%20news.gif)

Accion di emergencia pa haya dos hende perdi         
Saturday, 14 March 2009 - 23:24 
Despues cu maritiem politie (Polis riba Laman) a duna un man den un caso unda cu tres persona lo a subi un boto sin authorisacion y gasolin a caba cu nan na caminda ta start un accion di busqueda. Aparentemente lo a pensa cu dos di e hendenan a landa bin tera y un otro a keda abordo ( di cual e la ser encontra riba e boto). Awor ta sali na cla cu no por haya paradero di e otro dos personanan cu aparentemente lo a landa bin tera. Debi cu no por haya nan paradero boto di polis, search & rescue y helicopter ta saliendo na e momomentonan aki (11.09pm) pa busca riba laman. Asina cu tin mas informacion nos lo duna un update

 


Papiamentu translation:

gasolene is end upstairs boat y is drief bay cu person abordo saturday, 14 march 2009 - 23:22 in oranan of saturday night we of 24ora.com is ricibi informacion cu apparently will have to have one boat is drief cu 1 person upstairs dje.immediatamente reporteronan of 24ora.coma dirigi they self for her pier of bugalu upstairs the informacion cu we owing to ricibi.locual cu owing to happen is cu one person cu have to lever upstairs the boat of tattoo, will have to owing to jega late for this y at dado instant owing to lever upstairs one boat cu not tawata have fuel in dje y cu consequencia the boat here owing to drief bay afo cune. immediatamente owing to ask assistencia of boat of police for bay give one
hand for so can localiza the boat here y tow they bek for canto. hour cu they owing to jega canto the person owing to count ; police cu still miss 2 person more cu owing to bay cune y at dado instant have to owing to fly water. come across


accion of emergencia for achieve two person perdi saturday, 14 march 2009 - 23:24 after cu maritiem politie (polis on laman) owing to give one hand in one caso where cu three person will owing to lever one boat without authorisacion y gasolene owing to end cu they at caminda is start one accion of busqueda. apparently will owing to think cu two of the hendenan owing to swim come ground y one another owing to stay abordo ( of cual the la being encontra on the boto). now is leave at cla cu not can achieve paradero of the another two personanan cu apparently will owing to swim come ground. debi cu not can achieve they paradero boat of police, search & rescue y helicopter is saliendo at the momomentonan here (11.09pm) for busca on sea. so cu have more informacion we will give one update


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 15, 2009, 01:52:59 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY


                                  GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS

                                             KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2009, 01:55:37 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY


                                  GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS

                                             KEEPTHEFAITH

Goodnight, and God bless you too KTF!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2009, 02:41:28 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)
Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Goodnight everyone!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 15, 2009, 02:44:33 AM
It appears that at least one of our prodical monkeys is no longer bowing unconditionally to Lou's justification of Kyle Kingman's own words.  Iris appears to be thinking for herself and ... challenging the status quo.

Janet

++++++


Iris 44
Re: The Cage
« Reply #65 on: Today at 12:43:23 am »


ldstlou,
I can believe that Kyle got caught up in the emotion at first, but why did he keep posting about it much later with the Freebirds?  I wonder what his intentions were at that point.  Were you communicating with him then? 

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.60


Iris is an analyst.  That's what she does.  I believe I read her stating this several times. 
She can be found here:
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:oHqQw8HzuMVIjM:http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~psyc351/Images/Fed%2520Ex%2520Logo.jpg)



I wrote that post with a bit of sarcasm.  Meant to let Janet, know, as well.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

I guess my attempt to impress everyone with my job just didn't work.  Next time I will choose something much more impressive.  Hmmhhh.......what should I choose?  OK, I thought of something, but I can't tell you right now.  All in good time.  I have my reasons.







OK, it's time.  Here is a clue:

Iway oughtbray ownday away ice-presidentvay

Yikes, I better get out of here quick!

Take care, monkeys....

 ::MonkeyWink::


Feb 22, 2008 @ 10:42 pm at SM   
ospainter, Artcolley, Keepthefaith, Lifesong, iris44, rjdeer, Monkey Mia, Mere, Magnolia, klaasend, GabbyG and 5 Guests are viewing this board.

MONDAY FEB 23, 2009 at Chat and Grumble:
Iris logging in from Fed Ex, 1 hour , 43 min 7 p.1 hour



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 15, 2009, 02:48:31 AM
Chat and Grumble site:
IRIS:  5 hours, 1 hour , 1 hour, 2 hours, 56 min , 1 hour,  Iris is back again 9:16 pm her time.
Iris 52 min FROM WORK, 1 hour , 44 min, 32 min ,
March 2 from home 45 min , 13 min ,
Iris - from work: 48 min, 4 hours, 42 min, 2 hours

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 15, 2009, 02:54:59 AM
OK, it's time.  Here is a clue:

Iway oughtbray ownday away ice-presidentvay

Yikes, I better get out of here quick!

Take care, monkeys....

Gee maybe you could post some proof that you Iway oughtbray ownday away ice-presidentvay.
I am curious was this part of your analyst job?









Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2009, 03:48:23 AM
Interesting article...

http://www.bloomu.edu/media/magazine/Bloomsburg_Winter09.pdf

Page 20

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/JakeLex_Bloomsburg_2009-1.jpg)

Whether searching deep waters for a vanished 18-year-old, enriching the lives of some big
cats or promoting a Class AAA baseball team, internships and cooperative assignments often take Bloomsburg University students into the realm of the unexpected. Students Jacob Lex, Erin Loughlin and Travis Behler recently participated in experiential assignments that allowed them to handle unique job responsibilities.

Jacob Lex

Jacob Lex, a junior electronics engineering technology major, found himself involved in a high-profile missing person case as part of his co-op with Alternative Positioning Solutions (APS) of Lafayette, La. The company, owned by Lex’s uncle, is a navigation, positioning
and sonar services firm with responsibility for the Gulf of Mexico and all territorial U.S. waters. 

During his eight months on-site, Lex worked in Aruba searching unsuccessfully for the remains of Natalee Holloway, an Alabama teenager who disappeared in May 2005. The crew aboard the R/V Persistence—APS’s flagship boat—worked 18-hour days making sonar runs to identify all of the materials that don’t naturally appear on the seafloor, including possible human skeletal remains and pieces of clothing.  Lex was responsible for running the ship’s computer equipment. Despite long hours and intense effort, the search came up empty. 

When the work in Aruba was complete, Lex’s next assignment centered on mapping the seafloor in the Gulf of Mexico. The days and weeks were long, he says, but he bonded with other members of the crew. 

“Nothing is predictable when you’re out at sea, but coming together to fix things or find solutions made us closer.” Lex says. “It’s like a brotherhood.”

Following the completion of his co-op, APS offered Lex a future position as a geophysicist, which would require additional schooling beyond his Bloomsburg degree.

“I always work hard in whatever I do, but I really took advantage of my time with APS,” Lex says. “I liked the work and learned as much as I could as quickly as I could. I think this experience will pay off.”


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wingnut on March 15, 2009, 09:49:36 AM
OKay, I have a question.
Seeing everything that has been posted regarding Kyle, Silvetti, etc, I need to ask WHY the squeaky, leaky bunch have decided to defend the deceitful actions of these people rather than see through it and defend Natalee's family.
Going right for the jugular here...Bottom line, WHAT are they getting out of it?
Are they being compensated for trying to throw everyone off?

I know back in the beginning that AHATA had paid posters, supposedly . I wonder if that is still the case?

Artcolley - wow, I find that hard to believe.  Not so much people like Purcell or Renfro and several others that may have a vested interest in Aruba but people like ldstlou and others?  I just doubt it.  I think they are misinformed and distracted by the same people that have been blocking justice for Natalee all these years.


Good morning, Klaas.....

I was listening to someone talk about the Anna Nicole Smith fiasco yesterday on CNN, and that person stated that the doctors, etc who supplied ANS with the drugs did so as their way of staying close to/rubbing elbows with the star.  I feel that is what has taken place with LSD and Company.  They feel important because they have contact with "Family Members" and "Controversial Posters".  MOO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wingnut on March 15, 2009, 10:09:07 AM
It appears that at least one of our prodical monkeys is no longer bowing unconditionally to Lou's justification of Kyle Kingman's own words.  Iris appears to be thinking for herself and ... challenging the status quo.

Janet

++++++


Iris 44
Re: The Cage
« Reply #65 on: Today at 12:43:23 am »


ldstlou,
I can believe that Kyle got caught up in the emotion at first, but why did he keep posting about it much later with the Freebirds?  I wonder what his intentions were at that point.  Were you communicating with him then? 

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.60


Iris is an analyst.  That's what she does.  I believe I read her stating this several times. 
She can be found here:
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:oHqQw8HzuMVIjM:http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~psyc351/Images/Fed%2520Ex%2520Logo.jpg)



I wrote that post with a bit of sarcasm.  Meant to let Janet, know, as well.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

I guess my attempt to impress everyone with my job just didn't work.  Next time I will choose something much more impressive.  Hmmhhh.......what should I choose?  OK, I thought of something, but I can't tell you right now.  All in good time.  I have my reasons.







OK, it's time.  Here is a clue:

Iway oughtbray ownday away ice-presidentvay

Yikes, I better get out of here quick!

Take care, monkeys....

 ::MonkeyWink::


















IRIS - can you please tell me what LSD's response was to your original question?  It was actually a very good question.  TIA

Iris 44
Re: The Cage
« Reply #65 on: Today at 12:43:23 am »[/b]

ldstlou,
I can believe that Kyle got caught up in the emotion at first, but why did he keep posting about it much later with the Freebirds?  I wonder what his intentions were at that point.  Were you communicating with him then? 

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.60


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2009, 10:32:06 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53931.php

Google translation:

Astec not seize funds APA

March 14, 2009, 14:28 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/14-aruba-boekhoudt.gif) 

Alfonso Boekhoudt, director of Aruba Ports Authority (APA) Thursday for the treatment of case against Astec APA had brought to take to make.

ORANGE CITY - The judge yesterday decided to stevedoring company Astec not consent to seize money that Aruba Ports Authority (APA) is. The request was Thursday by Astec in court and was dealt with behind closed doors.
 
Next week, the interim relief between the two companies in which the stevedoring company claiming compensation for the termination of the permanent contract. Astec has been an ongoing contract with APA to work in the port area. With the container port is moving to Barcadera and public procurement is to provide working business activities in the new location may carry out the contract with Astec broken. This requires the company one million fee. Because Astec fear that APA is not enough money to pay for those damages, they would herd recovery. Employees of APA were afraid that if money would be confiscated, it is not enough money to maintain the salaries of the workers pay. The APA-workers also threatened to close the port if this would happen. With the judge's decision, this threat for the job.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2009, 10:41:01 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53930.php

Aruba

'Landing Colombian tourists may increase'

March 14, 2009, 14:27 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The supply of Colombian tourists to Aruba can significantly increase this year, said ATA Executive Director for Latin America Miriam Dabian. Colombians who wish to visit our island do not separate visa to do more questions, and there are more flight options from Colombia to Aruba by Tiara Air and Copa Airlines. Venezuelan tourists for it is otherwise, they are not as easy a visa to travel to Aruba, and the conversations about the ATA Vice President of Venezuela wishes to conduct have not yet taken place.

"We have requested a meeting with Venezuelan Vice President but have not yet been" let Dabian know. "Once this has taken place, we will look at what solutions are possible."

In Colombia last year, a relaxation of visa requirements for tourists who wish to travel to Aruba place. Dabian: "Passengers who already hold a valid U.S. or Schengen visa, are not a new one to ask. Most Colombian passengers from the middle and upper class have a U.S. visa and can thus travel here. "That gave ATA Dabian exploited according to Aruba in Colombia to promote as a holiday destination. "This is the Colombian tourists to the island more attractive to choose their holiday."

The problem with the limited number of seats from Colombia to Aruba last year was Dabian is now quite relieved by the introduction of flights with Copa Airlines. "Although Colombian Avianca airline offers direct flights to Aruba, its aircraft were increasingly filled with passengers from other Central and Latin American countries. It was very difficult for Colombian tourists to come to Aruba. "But because Copa Airlines now flies to Aruba, allows for more seating capacity. "Not only Colombians but also for tourists from other countries in Central and Latin America," said Dabian. "With Copa Airlines passengers from Panama, via Cali, Medellín and Baranquilla to Aruba. From March 21 next Tiara Air begins twice a week to fly to Colombia from Riohacha. It also widens the possibilities for tourists from Sta. Marta and Valledupar for vacation to Aruba to come. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 15, 2009, 10:44:22 AM
http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=68861

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/RIUrobberies.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 15, 2009, 10:47:29 AM
Interesting article...

http://www.bloomu.edu/media/magazine/Bloomsburg_Winter09.pdf

Page 20

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/JakeLex_Bloomsburg_2009-1.jpg)

Whether searching deep waters for a vanished 18-year-old, enriching the lives of some big
cats or promoting a Class AAA baseball team, internships and cooperative assignments often take Bloomsburg University students into the realm of the unexpected. Students Jacob Lex, Erin Loughlin and Travis Behler recently participated in experiential assignments that allowed them to handle unique job responsibilities.

Jacob Lex

Jacob Lex, a junior electronics engineering technology major, found himself involved in a high-profile missing person case as part of his co-op with Alternative Positioning Solutions (APS) of Lafayette, La. The company, owned by Lex’s uncle, is a navigation, positioning
and sonar services firm with responsibility for the Gulf of Mexico and all territorial U.S. waters. 

During his eight months on-site, Lex worked in Aruba searching unsuccessfully for the remains of Natalee Holloway, an Alabama teenager who disappeared in May 2005. The crew aboard the R/V Persistence—APS’s flagship boat—worked 18-hour days making sonar runs to identify all of the materials that don’t naturally appear on the seafloor, including possible human skeletal remains and pieces of clothing.  Lex was responsible for running the ship’s computer equipment. Despite long hours and intense effort, the search came up empty. 

When the work in Aruba was complete, Lex’s next assignment centered on mapping the seafloor in the Gulf of Mexico. The days and weeks were long, he says, but he bonded with other members of the crew. 

“Nothing is predictable when you’re out at sea, but coming together to fix things or find solutions made us closer.” Lex says. “It’s like a brotherhood.”

Following the completion of his co-op, APS offered Lex a future position as a geophysicist, which would require additional schooling beyond his Bloomsburg degree.

“I always work hard in whatever I do, but I really took advantage of my time with APS,” Lex says. “I liked the work and learned as much as I could as quickly as I could. I think this experience will pay off.”

Thanks texasmom.

Who is Jacob Lex?

Good Morning All!!

Janet

+++++++


The Search for Natalee Holloway
Monday, November 26, 2007

I. Mobilization

Key Personnel:
 
Louis Shaffer
- Project Lead and Key Contributor - Responsible for financial support, planning, public relations, and press coordination.
 
Tim Miller - Texas Equusearch http://www.texasequusearch.org/ - Project Management, gathering support, missing persons specialist

Tim Trahan - Underwater Expeditions - Project Management

John Silvetti - Project Lead and Key Contributor- Responsible for overall project planning and development. Owner of Marine Surveys, LLC . Donated the R/V Persistence for the search effort.
http://silvettigroup.com/

Marc Broussard - Project Manager - Responsible for logistics, personnel, and planning.

Kent Bourg- Party Chief - Responsible for the R/V Persistence operations and safety. Kent will also operate the side scan sonar.

Kyle Kingman - Field Project Manager, Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist - Responsible for side scan sonar acquisition, digital processing, analysis, and target identification. Kyle will assist in side scan sonar operation and guide the ROV (remotely operated vehicle) team to each sonar target.

Dr. Rob Floyd - Marine Geologist /Archaeologist - Responsible for analog sonar data interpretation and analysis and quality control.
Anthony Fontenot - Acoustic Positioning Technician - Responsible for navigation, acoustic tracking, and positioning of the side scan sonar and ROV.

Posted by Kyle Kingman

http://jlbworld.com/files/chapter23/sitedevotedtoseasearch.htm
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2009, 10:54:02 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53927.php

Aruba

Polynesia finally shipping

March 14, 2009, 14:25 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - After more than a year in the port of Oranjestad to have located the ship departed Polynesia, allegedly destined for Portugal. The luxury cruise ship would sail after a public auction a new owner received. The Polynesia stranded in Aruba last year after the then owner was in financial difficulties. The surviving crew was thirty-headed after a while no fuel, food and drink to purchase. Eventually, the Red Cross to come out for water and food to the crew in advance. Later could, given the pain and effort and without a penny in his pocket, still home.

http://bondia.com/

(http://www.bondia.com/images/stories/2009/maart/14/botobela2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 15, 2009, 11:01:15 AM
Jacob Lex is LegallyLex's son and was on the Persistence:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=145480547


This is Jacob with the ripped pants.  He has a whole series of photos in Aruba:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/JacobLex.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 15, 2009, 11:07:24 AM
Thank you Klaas.

Have a good Sunday all.

Janet
8:10 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 15, 2009, 11:10:33 AM
http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=68861

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/RIUrobberies.jpg)

Between this and the Columbians vacationing there this is NOW a place that REALLY needs to be avoided.
The police is shaking down hotel owners if they don't use them.  They are allowing tourists to be robbed by hotels own employees.  They keep getting lower and lower.

AVOID ARUBA LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2009, 11:20:05 AM
Good morning Janet!

Sorry, I was busy doing other things and didn't see your question!   

JMO but I think the truth was stretched a little for that article.   ::MonkeyWink::

Have a great Sunday!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2009, 11:21:07 AM
Jacob Lex is LegallyLex's son and was on the Persistence:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=145480547


This is Jacob with the ripped pants.  He has a whole series of photos in Aruba:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/JacobLex.jpg)

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 15, 2009, 11:39:14 AM
Good morning, everyone.

Looking again at that picture.....Left pant leg looks wet to above the knee.  Right pant leg obviously torn or cut from waist to ankle.  If right pocket was gripped or caught on something, it would have most likely pulled off but not including up to the waist and down the pant leg.  Maybe it was caught on equipment on deck....Maybe it was just some horseplay....maybe not.  Don't know if its anything....just thinking.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 15, 2009, 11:42:04 AM
Happy Sunday all.....

Sure appears I missed a lot last night, I have to work today so not sure I can read through all but will try. One question I have is why on earth would anyone 'trust' this CAPS character without verified proof of who and what he/she was? Was there ever any real and vivid verification of any kind?

TIA !

fyi, I am not an analyst  ::MonkeyHaHa:: if you've seen the movie the Office then you'd know the true definition of a business analyst  ::MonkeyHaHa::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 15, 2009, 11:57:33 AM
Good morning, everyone.

Looking again at that picture.....Left pant leg looks wet to above the knee.  Right pant leg obviously torn or cut from waist to ankle.  If right pocket was gripped or caught on something, it would have most likely pulled off but not including up to the waist and down the pant leg.  Maybe it was caught on equipment on deck....Maybe it was just some horseplay....maybe not.  Don't know if its anything....just thinking.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/jacoblex2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 15, 2009, 12:00:25 PM
Texasmom,

Nice find with that Jake pdf.  Eight months experiential......shows how easy it can be for some with connections to use these ventures to their benefit while pursuing further education.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 15, 2009, 12:17:23 PM
Good morning, everyone.

Looking again at that picture.....Left pant leg looks wet to above the knee.  Right pant leg obviously torn or cut from waist to ankle.  If right pocket was gripped or caught on something, it would have most likely pulled off but not including up to the waist and down the pant leg.  Maybe it was caught on equipment on deck....Maybe it was just some horseplay....maybe not.  Don't know if its anything....just thinking.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/jacoblex2.jpg)

It looks like a fresh bruise from just below his undershorts to nearly the back of his knee.
Maybe he got hurt somehow.
Isn't Jacob the nephew of John Silvetti?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2009, 12:27:35 PM
Texasmom,

Nice find with that Jake pdf.  Eight months experiential......shows how easy it can be for some with connections to use these ventures to their benefit while pursuing further education.

Thanks, and yes I thought so too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2009, 12:28:31 PM
Good morning, everyone.

Looking again at that picture.....Left pant leg looks wet to above the knee.  Right pant leg obviously torn or cut from waist to ankle.  If right pocket was gripped or caught on something, it would have most likely pulled off but not including up to the waist and down the pant leg.  Maybe it was caught on equipment on deck....Maybe it was just some horseplay....maybe not.  Don't know if its anything....just thinking.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/jacoblex2.jpg)

It looks like a fresh bruise from just below his undershorts to nearly the back of his knee.
Maybe he got hurt somehow.
Isn't Jacob the nephew of John Silvetti?

Yes he is.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 15, 2009, 01:22:31 PM
Happy Sunday, Monkeys!

Just my 2 cents on the ripped pants; That's a weird tear to be wholly accidental, IMO.

It's an even tear all the way down through the hem at the bottom, and a denim hem is pretty tough.

It almost looks like the pocket was ripped off and maybe tore the fabric underneath, so somebody just started pulling.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 15, 2009, 01:29:48 PM
Happy Sunday, Monkeys!

Just my 2 cents on the ripped pants; That's a weird tear to be wholly accidental, IMO.

It's an even tear all the way down through the hem at the bottom, and a denim hem is pretty tough.

It almost looks like the pocket was ripped off and maybe tore the fabric underneath, so somebody just started pulling.

That was my initial thought, CBB, regarding the even cut/tear from the waist.  I just threw thoughts out there, just in case someone had another viewpoint.  If the pants had been caught up on equipment, I would think he could have removed the pants, with or without assistance.

Happy Sunday to you, too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2009, 01:34:48 PM
Follow up to the story Klaas posted last night.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/7652/8/

(video also at website)

as cu the informe owing to enter cu apparently will have to have 2 person perdi imediatamente owing to cuminsa mobilisa all the departamento concerni for present at sitio for so cuminsa juda in the buskeda. as everybody know cu 24ora.com tawata esun cu owing to anuncia the news here first cu imagen y informacion completo. locual cu owing to happen is cu one person cu wanted owing to aborda the boat of tattoo but for motibo cu past owing to jega late owing to place cu the boat of tattoo owing to leave bay lage y at dado instant the caballero here wanted owing to make his cos. the caballero here conhuntamente cu two another person owing to abordo one boat cu do not of they y cu intention for transporta the person abordo of the boat tattoo. locual cu is sina stranjo is cu the personanan here not owing to neither check if the boat have fuelden dje, locual cu they owing to make is jega start the boat y cuminsa nabega. click read more for sigi read. at dado instant hour cu the fuel cu tawata in slang owing to cabae engine owing to shutdown y owing to place cu the boat owing to cuminsa drief bay for sea big. esnan at canto owing to ripara cu algo stranjo tawata sosode abordo hour cu they look at cu one of the personan abordo owing to float come canto y after one security of vision security owing to fly in water after lever in the boat bek y after of one rato after owing to go back fly in water y not owing to come upstairs bek. first cu owing to mobilisa all instancia owing to try of jama the compania of security pawak if the person akilo can owing to float come cantoofsi they have cualkier informacion of one of they personal but without none exito.e instant ey owing to cuminsa mobilisa all instancia for cuminsa juda dene buskeda.algun minuut after of 12am owing to succeed hanja contacto cu the donjo division security for so the give one description of his employee. at instant cu the instancianan cu tawata judando in the buskedaa cuminsa prepara for call off, one of the boat of tattooa cuminsa senala cu they have to owing to encontra one person. hour cu they owing to jega canto enberdad they owing to come encontra the boy cu tawata perdi cu is labora cu vision security. according the boy here his version is cu the instant cu past owing to fly water y for lever upstairs one of the botonan in vecindario,e will have to owing to strike his cabes y bay off. stranjo is cu police owing to controla all the barconan here in vecindario y not owing to encontra nothing,pero at the ultimo trip of mini boot of tattoo the person here owing to succeed come bey y owing to cuminsa ask help. the version of the sir here his storia do not convincing,pero assure cu we have cu gradici god cu the is sano y salvo.un thanks is bay for all the instancianan cu owing to juda during the buskeda here.

Pictures here at Awe24:

http://www.awe24.com/_moblog/externalInterface/extFrame.php?id=248&offId=0

Papiamentu translation:

owing to beat alarma for person perdi on lama fast riu hotel

fecha: 15/03/2009 | horario: 03:32

of saturday night owing to beat alarma hour cu one speedboat diminutive cu was have 2 person abordo his gasolene owing to end y the manehador owing to fly water swim come ground for avisa cu the security guard cu was cune in the boat owing to stay in the boat while the coriente of lama was strong y owing to take away they afo. more late owing to come achieve the speedboat but not was have none person abordo. at once owing to avisa search & rescue, police maritimo, keep we costa on ground y also the helicopter. owing to busca very much but without result, is till hour cu was trece the pasaheronan bek at the pier the shuttleboat owing to hear a is bark y hour owing to see good owing to mire teni at one cabuya of one boat in cercania. they owing to bay dibiaha in his direccion y owing to rescate trece at the pier. come across

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/248/123710250391.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/248/123710250415.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/248/123710250359.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/248/123710250337.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 15, 2009, 01:57:55 PM
Good morning, everyone.

Looking again at that picture.....Left pant leg looks wet to above the knee.  Right pant leg obviously torn or cut from waist to ankle.  If right pocket was gripped or caught on something, it would have most likely pulled off but not including up to the waist and down the pant leg.  Maybe it was caught on equipment on deck....Maybe it was just some horseplay....maybe not.  Don't know if its anything....just thinking.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/jacoblex2.jpg)

It looks like a fresh bruise from just below his undershorts to nearly the back of his knee.
Maybe he got hurt somehow.
Isn't Jacob the nephew of John Silvetti?

Yes he is.

Just more random speculation here but the same discoloration at the top of the leg can be seen to a lesser degree on the right side of the right ankle. I recognize the reddishness as under-the-skin-surface infection. I see it in my own legs from time to time because I suffer from severe edema brought on by my congestive heart failure which is, in turn, caused/made worse by my severe sleep apnea.

Not declaring definitely that's infection in that young man's leg, only that it's a possibility.

Also, when it is very bad in my leg and sometimes my legs leak water and that makes things much worse, it helps to NOT have a long pant leg on, especially sweats as they seem to make things even worse than they already are. Wearing shorts and keeping my leg "naked" truly helps the healing process.

So, if that is a painful infection or other skin condition we are seeing in that photo, the pants may have been deliberately sliced open so as to expose the leg to air and aid in making it heal faster and feel more comfortable.

A deliberately split open pant leg explains why is that guy walking around like that with a ripped pant leg. If it had been torn open by accident, he would have simply changed his pants. It seems he wants the leg to be exposed to the air.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 15, 2009, 02:00:50 PM
Happy Sunday, Monkeys!

Just my 2 cents on the ripped pants; That's a weird tear to be wholly accidental, IMO.

It's an even tear all the way down through the hem at the bottom, and a denim hem is pretty tough.

It almost looks like the pocket was ripped off and maybe tore the fabric underneath, so somebody just started pulling.

That was my initial thought, CBB, regarding the even cut/tear from the waist.  I just threw thoughts out there, just in case someone had another viewpoint.  If the pants had been caught up on equipment, I would think he could have removed the pants, with or without assistance.

Happy Sunday to you, too.

 ::MonkeyWink::

Nut, San, Klaas, I hope you guys won't mind me posting a little help for posters who followed Natalee's case when it was in the news, and are still interested but get intimidated by the vast knowledge that has been so well collected by the regular posters on this thread. There have been numerous requests for help in Musings, and SM posters do come here to read but are reluctant to ask basic questions. As I read back this morning, it struck me that there is an overview on one page that would serve that purpose pretty well. It's not so much to be overwhelming, but a nice nutshell, IMO.

For all the posters who have wished for a synopsis of the Natalee Holloway Case and where it stands now, I think that a visit to the current thread (thread #807), page #16, just might give you what you've been looking for.

Please be sure to read to Tamikosmom's reply #308 and follow the link posted within it.


Thanks!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 15, 2009, 02:18:19 PM
SECURITY WARNING TO EVERYBODY!!!

I was just checking out various websites related to Natalee Holloway and came across this one:  arubanboycott.blogspot.com and it contains a page that downloads trojans to your computer, steals passwords, and does various other vicious nasty things. I don't think the first page does it but it is one of the other pages of this blog that has all the malicious code.

My Internet Security software went crazy and refused to let that malicious page be opened by my browser (Internet Explorer).

So a blog about boycotting Aruba should be on the side of the good guys, right? So why are they trying to wreck peoples' computers and steal all their personal information?

What if it's really one of the bad guys masquerading as a good guy?

Even if this particular blog turns out to be okay and my internet security software is simply paranoid, it is still a very real possibility that the "bad guys" could set up a seemingly pro-Natalee page just for the purpose of stealing info from your computers and/or wrecking them. So make sure all your virus/security software is up to date and scan your computers from time to time and don't automatically trust websites that look like they are good guys. Be cautious.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 15, 2009, 02:26:20 PM
SECURITY WARNING TO EVERYBODY!!!

I was just checking out various websites related to Natalee Holloway and came across this one:  arubanboycott.blogspot.com and it contains a page that downloads trojans to your computer, steals passwords, and does various other vicious nasty things. I don't think the first page does it but it is one of the other pages of this blog that has all the malicious code.

My Internet Security software went crazy and refused to let that malicious page be opened by my browser (Internet Explorer).

So a blog about boycotting Aruba should be on the side of the good guys, right? So why are they trying to wreck peoples' computers and steal all their personal information?

What if it's really one of the bad guys masquerading as a good guy?

Even if this particular blog turns out to be okay and my internet security software is simply paranoid, it is still a very real possibility that the "bad guys" could set up a seemingly pro-Natalee page just for the purpose of stealing info from your computers and/or wrecking them. So make sure all your virus/security software is up to date and scan your computers from time to time and don't automatically trust websites that look like they are good guys. Be cautious.

Thanks, Oldie!  Nothing woud surprise me when it comes to this case.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 15, 2009, 02:26:38 PM
SECURITY WARNING TO EVERYBODY!!!

I was just checking out various websites related to Natalee Holloway and came across this one:  arubanboycott.blogspot.com and it contains a page that downloads trojans to your computer, steals passwords, and does various other vicious nasty things. I don't think the first page does it but it is one of the other pages of this blog that has all the malicious code.

My Internet Security software went crazy and refused to let that malicious page be opened by my browser (Internet Explorer).

So a blog about boycotting Aruba should be on the side of the good guys, right? So why are they trying to wreck peoples' computers and steal all their personal information?

What if it's really one of the bad guys masquerading as a good guy?

Even if this particular blog turns out to be okay and my internet security software is simply paranoid, it is still a very real possibility that the "bad guys" could set up a seemingly pro-Natalee page just for the purpose of stealing info from your computers and/or wrecking them. So make sure all your virus/security software is up to date and scan your computers from time to time and don't automatically trust websites that look like they are good guys. Be cautious.

Thank you for that post, Oldiebutgoodie. Much appreciated.
I wonder who's blogspot that is and if they know?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on March 15, 2009, 02:41:30 PM
SECURITY WARNING TO EVERYBODY!!!

I was just checking out various websites related to Natalee Holloway and came across this one:  arubanboycott.blogspot.com and it contains a page that downloads trojans to your computer, steals passwords, and does various other vicious nasty things. I don't think the first page does it but it is one of the other pages of this blog that has all the malicious code.

My Internet Security software went crazy and refused to let that malicious page be opened by my browser (Internet Explorer).

So a blog about boycotting Aruba should be on the side of the good guys, right? So why are they trying to wreck peoples' computers and steal all their personal information?

What if it's really one of the bad guys masquerading as a good guy?

Even if this particular blog turns out to be okay and my internet security software is simply paranoid, it is still a very real possibility that the "bad guys" could set up a seemingly pro-Natalee page just for the purpose of stealing info from your computers and/or wrecking them. So make sure all your virus/security software is up to date and scan your computers from time to time and don't automatically trust websites that look like they are good guys. Be cautious.

I believe this web site has been around for a long time. 

Quote
BOYCOTT ARUBA--JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
Purpose: Spreading the word of a VOLUNTARY boycott to the island of Aruba. This consumer grassroots movement urges everyone to abandon any plans to travel to Aruba or the Netherland Antilles until this case is resolved.

email: - michellesaysso@yahoo.com

Sign this petition to BOYCOTT ARUBA until JUSTICE is served!  http://www.petitiononline.com/holloway/petition.html

She also has another site

http://michellesaysso.blogspot.com/2009/03/canadians-address-spring-break-travel.html (http://michellesaysso.blogspot.com/2009/03/canadians-address-spring-break-travel.html)

One recent article, March 14,

Quote
CANADIANS ADDRESS SPRING BREAK TRAVEL CONCERNS

"A 2007 report by the World Bank and the United Nations said the Caribbean murder rate has risen to the world's highest, thanks largely to drug trafficking. Assaults also occur more frequently than the global average."

I had no problems with my security software at this site.

jmho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 15, 2009, 02:42:45 PM
It's Michele's, I believe.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 15, 2009, 02:44:40 PM
SECURITY WARNING TO EVERYBODY!!!

I was just checking out various websites related to Natalee Holloway and came across this one:  arubanboycott.blogspot.com and it contains a page that downloads trojans to your computer, steals passwords, and does various other vicious nasty things. I don't think the first page does it but it is one of the other pages of this blog that has all the malicious code.

My Internet Security software went crazy and refused to let that malicious page be opened by my browser (Internet Explorer).

So a blog about boycotting Aruba should be on the side of the good guys, right? So why are they trying to wreck peoples' computers and steal all their personal information?

What if it's really one of the bad guys masquerading as a good guy?

Even if this particular blog turns out to be okay and my internet security software is simply paranoid, it is still a very real possibility that the "bad guys" could set up a seemingly pro-Natalee page just for the purpose of stealing info from your computers and/or wrecking them. So make sure all your virus/security software is up to date and scan your computers from time to time and don't automatically trust websites that look like they are good guys. Be cautious.

I believe this web site has been around for a long time. 

Quote
BOYCOTT ARUBA--JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
Purpose: Spreading the word of a VOLUNTARY boycott to the island of Aruba. This consumer grassroots movement urges everyone to abandon any plans to travel to Aruba or the Netherland Antilles until this case is resolved.

email: - michellesaysso@yahoo.com

Sign this petition to BOYCOTT ARUBA until JUSTICE is served!  http://www.petitiononline.com/holloway/petition.html

She also has another site

http://michellesaysso.blogspot.com/2009/03/canadians-address-spring-break-travel.html (http://michellesaysso.blogspot.com/2009/03/canadians-address-spring-break-travel.html)

One recent article, March 14,

Quote
CANADIANS ADDRESS SPRING BREAK TRAVEL CONCERNS

"A 2007 report by the World Bank and the United Nations said the Caribbean murder rate has risen to the world's highest, thanks largely to drug trafficking. Assaults also occur more frequently than the global average."

I had no problems with my security software at this site.

jmho


Thank you, WhiskeyGirl.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 15, 2009, 02:46:14 PM

Thank you for that post, Oldiebutgoodie. Much appreciated.
I wonder who's blogspot that is and if they know?

I don't know but I do recall a blog or website created by or moderated by Kathy Drenga (aka Hotshot?) that was either named as this blog or something very similiar. Does anyone here remember the url or name of her webpage?

P.S. -- I was trying to find Kathy's website through Google and one of the pages Google spit back at me was this one :  http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1255051/6/25

It's all in Dutch so maybe someone here can translate. Also some names are there (like bastibro and johann) that I've seen here at SM. There is an image posted of a very long open letter to Beth Holloway (in English) that seems accusatory in nature and calls HER  a liar.

And last of all, Kathy Drenga's name doesn't appear here at all so why would Google show me THIS page in a search result on her? I was just trying to find her boycott Aruba page.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 15, 2009, 02:46:52 PM
SECURITY WARNING TO EVERYBODY!!!

I was just checking out various websites related to Natalee Holloway and came across this one:  arubanboycott.blogspot.com and it contains a page that downloads trojans to your computer, steals passwords, and does various other vicious nasty things. I don't think the first page does it but it is one of the other pages of this blog that has all the malicious code.

My Internet Security software went crazy and refused to let that malicious page be opened by my browser (Internet Explorer).

So a blog about boycotting Aruba should be on the side of the good guys, right? So why are they trying to wreck peoples' computers and steal all their personal information?

What if it's really one of the bad guys masquerading as a good guy?

Even if this particular blog turns out to be okay and my internet security software is simply paranoid, it is still a very real possibility that the "bad guys" could set up a seemingly pro-Natalee page just for the purpose of stealing info from your computers and/or wrecking them. So make sure all your virus/security software is up to date and scan your computers from time to time and don't automatically trust websites that look like they are good guys. Be cautious.

Arubanboycott blogspot has always been an OK site.  I suppose something could have happened to it but I suspect it's your security settings. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 15, 2009, 02:52:41 PM

Thank you for that post, Oldiebutgoodie. Much appreciated.
I wonder who's blogspot that is and if they know?

I don't know but I do recall a blog or website created by or moderated by Kathy Drenga (aka Hotshot?) that was either named as this blog or something very similiar. Does anyone here remember the url or name of her webpage?

P.S. -- I was trying to find Kathy's website through Google and one of the pages Google spit back at me was this one :  http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1255051/6/25

It's all in Dutch so maybe someone here can translate. Also some names are there (like bastibro and johann) that I've seen here at SM. There is an image posted of a very long open letter to Beth Holloway (in English) that seems accusatory in nature and calls HER  a liar.

And last of all, Kathy Drenga's name doesn't appear here at all so why would Google show me THIS page in a search result on her? I was just trying to find her boycott Aruba page.
This is Hotshot's site....

http://arubassilence.bravehost.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 15, 2009, 02:55:19 PM
Thank you, everyone.

I thought that name sounded familiar! Whew!

Klaas, I agree, could be the security settings.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2009, 02:56:37 PM
I hope everyone will join me in saying HAPPY BIRTHDAY to HOTPING!!!!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

I started a thread for her in the Monkey Lounge.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4698.new


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 15, 2009, 02:57:47 PM
Here's the warning thrown up by my internet security. I hope it is legible because I had to vastly downsize it to fit here. Also, you will see the exact url and I caution you not to go there. I already mentioned that the "base" url or homepage does not throw up any warnings.

(http://home.att.net/~i_write_screenplays/warning.jpg) (http://home.att.net/~i_write_screenplays/warning2.jpg)

Okay, in previewing it, it seems it is not legible at the scaled-down size so click on the image to see the full size if you need to verify what the Internet Security says.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 15, 2009, 02:59:53 PM
Somebody could try going to the actual url, if they want to risk it, to see if their internet security throws up a warning.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 15, 2009, 03:11:09 PM
Somebody could try going to the actual url, if they want to risk it, to see if their internet security throws up a warning.


I didn't get any warning.  Could also be a pop up ad trying to sell you security software?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 15, 2009, 03:24:48 PM
Somebody could try going to the actual url, if they want to risk it, to see if their internet security throws up a warning.


I didn't get any warning.  Could also be a pop up ad trying to sell you security software?

The BASE url that WhiskeyGirl and maybe you visited would not have thrown up a warning as I already stated because there never was a problem there.

The problem is on a "subsidiary" page and the url to THAT page is:  arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2007/05/natalees-disappearance-still-making.html     I DO NOT RECOMMEND ANYONE GO TO THIS URL UNLESS YOUR INTERNET SECURITY IS UP TO DATE. But, I would like to know if anyone else's security also warns them.

No, that was not a pop-up ad because I am already subscribed to Kaspersky Internet Security and that subscription will not expire for months. Kaspersky is, by far, better than Norton or McAfee and detects a great deal that they do not detect. Kaspersky would not be spamming an already-subscribed customer to subscribe, lol. Part of their protection prevents pop-ups and banner ads. I see the blank spaces here at SM for the banner ads but I can't see the actual ads. Kaspersky won't let them download. See what I mean?

Anyway, a front page or homepage can be perfectly innocent and the webmaster is perfectly innocent but then a second page or any subsidiary page may have malicious script dropped into its code and the original webmaster might not know anything about it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 15, 2009, 03:29:57 PM
Caps and Pond posts
Joran's passport posted
Joran's picture in North Korea
K-Swiss Tennis shoe picture
Joran's nekkied pic in Thailand
Woman raped in Aruba
John summoned back to Aruba



Could anybody help me out with this?
I've been wandering aimlessly through the old threads suggested by search results.  I've found nothing and am getting nowhere fast. 

I have some ideas, just don't know how to get there...



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 15, 2009, 03:31:23 PM
Michelle has unwavering supported justice Natalee Holloway ... the voluntary boycott while at the same time exposing the corrupt investigation that has prevented justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005.  The Natalee's Freebirds documents are not only posted on their own blog ... the documents are shared with both the Aruban Boycott and Scared Monkeys sites.

Janet


BOYCOTT ARUBA--JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
 
Purpose: Spreading the word of a VOLUNTARY boycott to the island of Aruba. This consumer grassroots movement urges everyone to abandon any plans to travel to Aruba or the Netherland Antilles until this case is resolved.


http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2009, 03:42:00 PM
Caps and Pond posts
Joran's passport posted
Joran's picture in North Korea
K-Swiss Tennis shoe picture
Joran's nekkied pic in Thailand
Woman raped in Aruba
John summoned back to Aruba


Could anybody help me out with this?
I've been wandering aimlessly through the old threads suggested by search results.  I've found nothing and am getting nowhere fast. 

I have some ideas, just don't know how to get there...



I'll try to help Lifesong.  Are you looking for links to posts about each event listed?  I would think there will be several for some on the list.  I'm not sure what we're looking for so just tell me what you need and I'll try to find it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 15, 2009, 03:52:07 PM
Caps and Pond posts
Joran's passport posted
Joran's picture in North Korea
K-Swiss Tennis shoe picture
Joran's nekkied pic in Thailand
Woman raped in Aruba
John summoned back to Aruba


Could anybody help me out with this?
I've been wandering aimlessly through the old threads suggested by search results.  I've found nothing and am getting nowhere fast. 

I have some ideas, just don't know how to get there...



I'll try to help Lifesong.  Are you looking for links to posts about each event listed?  I would think there will be several for some on the list.  I'm not sure what we're looking for so just tell me what you need and I'll try to find it.

Thanks, TM!  That's just the thing, I don't know.  My feeling is these things all have something in common.  And by something...I think I mean someone.  Notice, that list ends with Silvetti. 

So...

I think I'm looking for the first posting of the passport; the first posting of Joran's pic in N.Korea, etc.
I'm pretty sure the passport was posted prior to May 1 or 2, 2008, but haven't found it yet. 

Found this:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg379294#msg379294
Johan555
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 -
« Reply #505 on: May 06, 2008, 06:52:11 AM » 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Pasport joran > http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2669.new#new


But that link didn't get me to the passport posting...




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 15, 2009, 03:54:13 PM
Caps and Pond posts
Joran's passport posted
Joran's picture in North Korea
K-Swiss Tennis shoe picture
Joran's nekkied pic in Thailand
Woman raped in Aruba
John summoned back to Aruba


My guess is Kermit is telling us "several" people are the leek.

(as in hotshot, lalasMom, destiny, and so on and so on. JMO)



Could anybody help me out with this?
I've been wandering aimlessly through the old threads suggested by search results.  I've found nothing and am getting nowhere fast. 

I have some ideas, just don't know how to get there...




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 15, 2009, 03:56:25 PM
Caps and Pond posts
Joran's passport posted
Joran's picture in North Korea
K-Swiss Tennis shoe picture
Joran's nekkied pic in Thailand
Woman raped in Aruba
John summoned back to Aruba



Could anybody help me out with this?
I've been wandering aimlessly through the old threads suggested by search results.  I've found nothing and am getting nowhere fast. 

I have some ideas, just don't know how to get there...



My guess is Kermit is telling us "several" people are the leek.

(as in hotshot, lalasMom, destiny, and so on and so on. JMO)



Sorry, correction to move outside the box


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on March 15, 2009, 03:58:27 PM
Somebody could try going to the actual url, if they want to risk it, to see if their internet security throws up a warning.


I didn't get any warning.  Could also be a pop up ad trying to sell you security software?

The BASE url that WhiskeyGirl and maybe you visited would not have thrown up a warning as I already stated because there never was a problem there.

The problem is on a "subsidiary" page and the url to THAT page is:  arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2007/05/natalees-disappearance-still-making.html     I DO NOT RECOMMEND ANYONE GO TO THIS URL UNLESS YOUR INTERNET SECURITY IS UP TO DATE. But, I would like to know if anyone else's security also warns them.

No, that was not a pop-up ad because I am already subscribed to Kaspersky Internet Security and that subscription will not expire for months. Kaspersky is, by far, better than Norton or McAfee and detects a great deal that they do not detect. Kaspersky would not be spamming an already-subscribed customer to subscribe, lol. Part of their protection prevents pop-ups and banner ads. I see the blank spaces here at SM for the banner ads but I can't see the actual ads. Kaspersky won't let them download. See what I mean?

Anyway, a front page or homepage can be perfectly innocent and the webmaster is perfectly innocent but then a second page or any subsidiary page may have malicious script dropped into its code and the original webmaster might not know anything about it.

Can't speak to security issues, I did find some oldie but goodies -

Quote
Aruban Boycott Anthems
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life."--Winston Churchill

"Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never--in nothing, great or small, large or petty--never give in, except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy."--Winston Churchill

Is it possible your computer is being targeted?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2009, 04:05:57 PM
Caps and Pond posts
Joran's passport posted
Joran's picture in North Korea
K-Swiss Tennis shoe picture
Joran's nekkied pic in Thailand
Woman raped in Aruba
John summoned back to Aruba


Could anybody help me out with this?
I've been wandering aimlessly through the old threads suggested by search results.  I've found nothing and am getting nowhere fast. 

I have some ideas, just don't know how to get there...



I'll try to help Lifesong.  Are you looking for links to posts about each event listed?  I would think there will be several for some on the list.  I'm not sure what we're looking for so just tell me what you need and I'll try to find it.

Thanks, TM!  That's just the thing, I don't know.  My feeling is these things all have something in common.  And by something...I think I mean someone.  Notice, that list ends with Silvetti. 

So...

I think I'm looking for the first posting of the passport; the first posting of Joran's pic in N.Korea, etc.
I'm pretty sure the passport was posted prior to May 1 or 2, 2008, but haven't found it yet. 

Found this:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg379294#msg379294
Johan555
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 -
« Reply #505 on: May 06, 2008, 06:52:11 AM » 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Pasport joran > http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2669.new#new


But that link didn't get me to the passport posting...




ok, I'm looking!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 15, 2009, 04:10:25 PM
Caps and Pond posts
Joran's passport posted
Joran's picture in North Korea
K-Swiss Tennis shoe picture
Joran's nekkied pic in Thailand
Woman raped in Aruba
John summoned back to Aruba



Could anybody help me out with this?
I've been wandering aimlessly through the old threads suggested by search results.  I've found nothing and am getting nowhere fast. 

I have some ideas, just don't know how to get there...



My guess is Kermit is telling us "several" people are the leek.

(as in hotshot, lalasMom, destiny, and so on and so on. JMO)



Sorry, correction to move outside the box

Heh heh heh. 
What a crowd, so they're all ratting each other out secretly? 

What's the point of a fricken' hidey hole then?
 ::MonkeyHaHa::    ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::


I did think this was interesting:


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg379530#msg379530
Destiny
 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 -
« Reply #607 on: May 06, 2008, 03:52:52 PM » 

Peaches....I'm a great *talker*...writer I don't know....maybe when Klaas gets back we can establish a *closed* thread...only for those that Monkeys here with approval to access...where we can work on/write the ad....what Ya think?....I agree...I only trust God/Goddess on this one....LOL




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on March 15, 2009, 04:11:06 PM
Quote
When we told friends we were heading to Aruba, nearly everyone mentioned Natalee Holloway, the 18-year-old from Alabama who disappeared without a trace in 2005 on a high school graduation trip to the island. Although suspects have been questioned, no one has been tried in the case and Aruban prosecutors said recently they are near the end of their investigation. Holloway's family criticized the handling of the case by Aruban authorities and some officials in the U.S. called for a tourism boycott, but the effort fizzled. But the U.S. State Department's current travel information about Aruba describes crime there as "generally considered low," and we never felt unsafe.

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=278574&src=330 (http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=278574&src=330)

I would say...NOT 'without a trace', rather something like 'all traces continue to point to JVDS and a number of individuals from within law enforcement, judiciary, prosecutors office, tourism interests, and the family of suspects.  Major traces and balogna contine to be made public with regard to the many utterances of JVDS.  Can utterances from other players be far behind?

This year, 2009 many of Natalee's classmates will graduate college.  So sad that she remains behind in Aruba. 

How will they remember her at their graduations this summer?  Will there be sadness that one is left behind?  One didn't return home?

Will they wonder how life might be different if they had just stayed home or visited another vacation destination?  Maybe a place a little less exciting and exotic? 

So much time for grown up things and one didn't come home.

The trip of a lifetime...


imho

Quote
Will you remember me when I'm gone
Will you remember me at all
I tried to be kind, I tried to be good.
Will you remember me

God only knows why we try and fail
Is this heaven on earth or the fires of hell
I tried to be honest, it's hard not to lie
Will you remember me after I die

Will you remember me...

~Jann Arden


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on March 15, 2009, 04:20:57 PM
The quote from Natalee's yearbook -

Quote
Freebird ~ Lynyrd Skynyrd

If I leave here tomorrow
Would you still remember me?
For I must be travelling on, now,
'Cause there's too many places I've got to see.
But, if I stayed here with you, girl,
Things just couldn't be the same.
'Cause I'm as free as a bird now,
And this bird you can not change.
Lord knows, I can't change.

Joran's story, second half of song, a prophecy?

Quote
Bye, bye, its been a sweet love.
Though this feeling I can't change.
But please don't take it badly,
'Cause Lord knows I'm to blame.
But, if I stayed here with you girl,
Things just couldn't be the same.

Cause I'm as free as a bird now,
And this bird you'll never change.

And this bird you can not change.
Lord knows, I can't change.
Lord help me, I can't change.

Anyone think Joran will be returning home to Aruba?  Maybe for the summer of 2009?  No shark attacks on Aruba, just Joran sightings at beach?  Hotel lobbies?  Casinos?

Undercover pimping?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 15, 2009, 04:23:21 PM

Is it possible your computer is being targeted?

Anything is possible, WhiskeyGirl. But, in this instance, I am not the specific target and I know the problem is at that specific (longer) url because in order to get the screenshot of my Kaspersky warning me, I had to go back there a second time to see if Kaspersky would warn me a second time. And sure enough, it did.

If this was some random pop-up virus or trojan or adware, it could pop-up anytime and going to any specific url would not necessarily cause it to pop-up. BUT, going back to the same url with the same exact result every time means the problem is at that specific url and nowhere else.

The screenshot I showed is of my own Kaspersky Internet Security software warning me. The image in the lower right with the yellow border sometimes shows the exact path on my computer where the virus might be quarantined, awaiting deletion (although I pretty much have all suspicious crapola set to automatically delete).

Scared Monkeys, as we all know, is an honest aboveboard clean website. But, even Scared Monkeys can be harmed by hackers and DOS-attackers and virus-writers. Nobody is immune. Saying that this happened on a subsidiary page of a website does not mean that the website itself or the webmaster is necessarily evil. She probably doesn't realize it's happening. Somebody who knows her should tell her to take down that page, rewrite it in Notepad, then put it back up. If the same thing happens again to her, then her code is not the problem, it is something in an ad or pop-up or the webhost provider's servers.

The fact remains, sooner or later Google will find out about the problem on this specific page and they will put a red danger warning in this lady's listing on Google or they may delete her from the search results altogether which could keep hundreds of visitors away. And who would THAT benefit? Hmmm...??? Detecting a motive for hacking, are we?

Connect the dots. Somebody needs to warn this lady. Also, Blogger will delete all accounts with this problem.

When I saw the problem, I wanted to warn my fellow Monkeys for their own safety but also, I was curious if anyone else's security set off a warning on that specific longer url. Plus, this webmaster doesn't deserve the headache this could cause them. Somebody who knows them should warn them but only after verifying for themselves that there is a problem on that specific page.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 15, 2009, 04:25:33 PM
Here's all I have found so far

Joran's Passport.......




Tony Koh Tao
User ID: 428215
5/5/2008 11:01 AM Re: >>>>>Breaking...ARREST WARRANT requested FOR Joran Van Dersloot Quote

This guy is on Koh Tao in Thailand on holiday right now, we have just seen him and have copies of his passport from the local bike shop he rented a bike from. Speaking to some Dutch friends here on Koh Tao they say that he is supposed to be in a psychiatric hospital in Holland, but obviously not.

We weren't sure if there was a warrant out for him or not, so just contacted the local police and the US embassy. At the moment the local police have his passport, not sure if anything will come of this tomorrow or not, at the moment we've just left it with the local police.

Tony

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message498426/pg1
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on March 15, 2009, 04:26:30 PM
Next year will be the five year reunion for the Class of 2005 from Mountain Brook High School.  I wonder what they'll talk about?  

How many have started families?  How many have married and divorced?  How many have passed from this earth after graduation?  

How sad that Natalee is still missing.   

::MonkeyWaa::

jmho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2009, 04:30:32 PM
I think Sandy Leiva was the first one to spot the story on the KSwiss, posted here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2867.240

Now back to looking for the pictures!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2009, 04:34:26 PM
I think Sandy Leiva was the first one to spot the story on the KSwiss, posted here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2867.240

Now back to looking for the pictures!   ::MonkeyCool::

I think Klaas probably posted the pics here, but they're not showing up now.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2867.260

May 30th 2008, in the same edition of Diario with the letter about Natalee that was published.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on March 15, 2009, 04:35:45 PM
Quote
Joran Van der Sloot Named Spokesman for Mexican Spring Break PR Campaign!

Cancun,Mexico/ Missing Persons News & Travel Alert Bulletin
- A spokesman for the beleaguered Mexican Travel Bureau announced today a multi-million Peso ad campaign to encourage spring breakers to continue to flock to it's blood stained beaches.

Pedro "Boom Boom" Enchilada, Minister of Death, Travel, Taxes & Tourism, announced the signing of noted coed chaperone , traveller, bon vivant and self admitted sex slave salesman, van der Sloot to head up the campaign.


Quote
Van der Sloot, considered a prime "person of interest" in the missing person case of spring breaker Natalee Holloway in Aruba, has thrived on his notoriety since he was linked to the case. His popularity has soared since he appeared on Larry King, and was also linked to the temporary disappearance of Fox Investigative Reporter Greta Van Susteran, shortly after she asked him a series of tough questions regarding his sales and marketing job in the Thailand Tourist Sex industry.

Quote
...he may be appearing on Dancing With the Stars partnered with Nadja Suleman,of Octuplet Fame.

Quote
...a Mexican dairy producer has commissioned a new series of milk cartons ready to roll out as soon as spring break starts...

read more here -
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s3i48837 (http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s3i48837)

Quote
The story above is a satire or parody. It is entirely fictitious.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on March 15, 2009, 04:43:19 PM
Another Natalee related movie -

Liam Neeson

Quote
Neeson looks weathered and used, and it is all to good effect in "Taken."

"I'm retired, not dead," he comments of Bryan Mills, his character in the film. Mills regrets that his career at sleuthing ruined his marriage and kept him away from his daughter Kim, who is now 17 and particularly naive.

The daughter goes to Paris, against Daddy's wishes, with her flighty, 18-year-old girlfriend. The girls - apparently close kin to Natalee Holloway, the American teen presumed dead after she went missing during a vacation in Aruba - agree to share a taxi with a cute boy who, you guessed it, is in with Albanian terrorists. Having been tipped off to the location of the girls' hotel suite, the terrorists kidnap them, but only after Kim manages to sneak in a cell call to her father.

"I will find you," Mills warns the terrorists, to which they reply, on the cell phone, "Good luck." That's a challenge you can be sure he will take.


Apparently, CIA agents don't have to worry about being laid off or retiring - they'll always have easy access, by cell phone, to all the voice analyzers and other gadgets back in the Virginia office. Using his CIA tricks, Mills tracks the despicable perverts to the back alleys of Paris (a house with a red door on a street called Paradise).

Of course, he must get into real danger and be captured somewhere along the way, but will those evil Albanians really get away with their scheme?

Luc Besson, who helped make "The Fifth Element" and "La Femme Nikita," co-wrote "Taken" with an American partner. Not a lot of time was spent on plausibility, but they created a character who, in spite of all the unlikely heroics, seems at risk.

http://hamptonroads.com/2009/03/time-escape (http://hamptonroads.com/2009/03/time-escape)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 15, 2009, 04:45:32 PM
I think Sandy Leiva was the first one to spot the story on the KSwiss, posted here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2867.240

Now back to looking for the pictures!   ::MonkeyCool::




I found this....thought it was interesting:


Natalee Holloway / Natalee Holloway / Re: Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) DUTCH & English on: May 10, 2008, 10:30:24 PM 
Started by johan555, Message by ObserverRelevance: 20.1%

Added: May 06, 2008 (More info)
RTL Boulevard may 6 2008

Joran`s passport
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB8UZ0jswVU


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 15, 2009, 04:49:10 PM

K-Swiss Tennis shoe picture


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/05/30/diario-aruba-jorans-skeakers-found-at-light-house-in-aruba/

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/Aruba_Joran_Sneakers_small.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 15, 2009, 05:11:35 PM
I think Sandy Leiva was the first one to spot the story on the KSwiss, posted here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2867.240

Now back to looking for the pictures!   ::MonkeyCool::




I found this....thought it was interesting:


Natalee Holloway / Natalee Holloway / Re: Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) DUTCH & English on: May 10, 2008, 10:30:24 PM 
Started by johan555, Message by ObserverRelevance: 20.1%

Added: May 06, 2008 (More info)
RTL Boulevard may 6 2008

Joran`s passport
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB8UZ0jswVU


I can't watch it... ::MonkeyWaa::

"This video has been removed due to terms of use violation."

This happens to me all the time in the Media thread and I don't know where these videos are posted now.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2009, 05:12:49 PM
I think Sandy Leiva was the first one to spot the story on the KSwiss, posted here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2867.240

Now back to looking for the pictures!   ::MonkeyCool::



I found this....thought it was interesting:


Natalee Holloway / Natalee Holloway / Re: Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) DUTCH & English on: May 10, 2008, 10:30:24 PM 
Started by johan555, Message by ObserverRelevance: 20.1%

Added: May 06, 2008 (More info)
RTL Boulevard may 6 2008

Joran`s passport
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB8UZ0jswVU


I can't watch it... ::MonkeyWaa::

"This video has been removed due to terms of use violation."

This happens to me all the time in the Media thread and I don't know where these videos are posted now.

 

I got the same message.   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2009, 05:25:29 PM


I'm taking a break, bbl   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: San on March 15, 2009, 05:25:56 PM
JORAN'S PASSPORT.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/joranpaspoort2.jpg)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/joranpaspoort3.jpg)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/joranpaspoort4.jpg)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/joranpaspoort5.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 15, 2009, 05:27:38 PM


Woman raped in Aruba


Articles:

Woman Claims Rape Where Missing Teen Was Last Seen In Aruba (http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/4576170/detail.html) (dated June 6, 2005)

Aruba: Tourist Woman Reports Rape in Aruba on Eagle Beach  (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/06/14/aruba-tourist-woman-reports-rape-in-aruba-on-eagle-beach/) (Scared Monkeys News Headline dated June 14, 2008)

TVSpy Message Board:  Another blonde white girl missing (http://www.vault.com/messages/TVSpyWatercooler/TVSpyWatercooler1368638.html) (posted on June 6, 2005)

Fox News (O'Reilly) reports, via Geraldo, that three Aruban women are complaining about Joran van der Sloot raping them (http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php) (dated Aug. 25, 2005 - scroll down page)

Caribbean sex-trafficking threatens women on vacation (http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/CaribSexTrafficking.htm) (dated June 11, 2005)

Dutch woman abducted in the Dutch Antilles (http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2008/09/dutch-woman-goes-missing-on-bonaire.html) (dated Sept. 25, 2008 - by the way, this is also from that website with the one suspect page I mentioned above)

Sex Slavery Targets American Women in Aruba (http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=36&contentid=2285&page=2)  (dated 2003)

Teen Willing to Testify Joran Van Der Sloot Raped Her (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-112481137.html) (dated Aug. 24, 2005)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 15, 2009, 05:33:32 PM

K-Swiss Tennis shoe picture


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/05/30/diario-aruba-jorans-skeakers-found-at-light-house-in-aruba/

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/Aruba_Joran_Sneakers_small.jpg)

Thanks, oldiebutgoodie!  I knew I'd seen that somewhere recently...  There are some interestin FP posts on that one too, I'd forgotten about those.

....something about a weasel, iirc.



I re-happened upon this too:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4574.msg683549#msg683549
Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #802 2/21/08 -
« Reply #42 on: February 21, 2009, 01:26:30 AM »   

10 days before the Ranger Rover confession Kyle met downtown in public with Mos
(date tapes were released, Jan. 31 st is when Beth saw them with DeVries)


 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 15, 2009, 05:33:37 PM
I've got the passport saved someplace, looking for it now.  While looking for it I found this  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/damn2.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 15, 2009, 05:34:45 PM
Passport

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.460

(http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/foto/44b3ea3a_joranpaspoort2.jpg)

I figured out this one by changing the end of the link:

(http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/foto/44b3ea3a_joranpaspoort1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 15, 2009, 05:47:51 PM
Good, I can stop looking, lol  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks 2NJ  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 15, 2009, 06:03:59 PM
Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 - 5/8/08

<< < (94/197) > >>

*******:
Quote from: Destiny on May 05, 2008, 09:49:39 PM

Quote from: Destiny on May 05, 2008, 09:30:54 PM

*******...check ur email ;-)


Thanks for the reply *******....since you know who I'll be talking with regarding our ad tomorrow....what should I reply to this latest email...as I said I was bored...so I clipped and pasted only the passport part and shot it over with a comment....*this was just found...won't last long*....now I don't know what to replay...it did seem to get some interest....help Mr. Wizard.....


Hello Destiny! You tell her what ever your heart desires..lol.. I dont see anything wrong with sending her whatever. It's may be best to be on her good side  ::MonkeyCool::

Destiny:
Quote from: Lala'sMom on May 05, 2008, 09:51:55 PM

I have a question about Joran's passport...since I am so old and dumb I will need an answer rather quickly before I forget why I asked...but according to that passport it does indicate that Joran was in Thailand, right?  So does that make that photo of him in Thailand more plausible or not?


 ::MonkeyLaugh::

I want to know too...as I was asked by Diario if I had a photo of him there...but never sent the one we have, due to not being sure if it was/is authentic.....old feeble minds want to know.... ::MonkeyConfused::

*******:
Quote from: Lala'sMom on May 05, 2008, 09:51:55 PM

I have a question about Joran's passport...since I am so old and dumb I will need an answer rather quickly before I forget why I asked...but according to that passport it does indicate that Joran was in Thailand, right?  So does that make that photo of him in Thailand more plausible or not?


Yes It most certainly does..IMO..Although almost everything can be faked online I think its very possible he was in Thailand.

Destiny:
Quote from: ******* on May 05, 2008, 09:57:18 PM

Quote from: Lala'sMom on May 05, 2008, 09:51:55 PM

I have a question about Joran's passport...since I am so old and dumb I will need an answer rather quickly before I forget why I asked...but according to that passport it does indicate that Joran was in Thailand, right?  So does that make that photo of him in Thailand more plausible or not?


Yes It most certainly does..IMO..Although almost everything can be faked online I think its very possible he was in Thailand.


Ahh...but...do the dates add up....to...old...to....remember.....gasp.......

caesu:
Quote from: Lala'sMom on May 05, 2008, 09:51:55 PM

I have a question about Joran's passport...since I am so old and dumb I will need an answer rather quickly before I forget why I asked...but according to that passport it does indicate that Joran was in Thailand, right?  So does that make that photo of him in Thailand more plausible or not?


yes very plausible.

the visa dates match with the date the photo in Bangkok was taken (early april).
and also what this naieve guy Marten Brakx said.

he entered Thailand 4th of March. he was allowed to stay until April 2nd.
but he overstayed his visum and left Thailand April 19th.
so he probably had to pay a fine for that.

as to where he is now:

on the 25th of April he re-entered Thailand.
at the time the photocopy was taken he was still in Thailand due to the fact that the departure card was still in the passport.
he is allowed to stay until 24th of May.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 15, 2009, 06:10:47 PM
Red posted about the woman reporting rape in June, 2008, with Jossy confirming.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/06/14/aruba-tourist-woman-reports-rape-in-aruba-on-eagle-beach/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 15, 2009, 06:16:00 PM

2NJ's link with the passport:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.460

Quote
Destiny
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 -
« Reply #460 on: May 05, 2008, 09:14:23 PM »

I was Bored and *stirred* the pot earlier today....

This just in from Diario....kinda late nite email too....what should I reply?


Hi XXXXXXXXX
Why was the passport of Joran appeared online.
You have more information about it.
Let me know.Thks
XXXXXXXXX

K-Swiss sneakers:
Quote
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/05/30/diario-aruba-jorans-skeakers-found-at-light-house-in-aruba/
Diario Aruba: Joran’s Sneakers Found at Light House in Aruba???

Woman Raped:
Quote
Aruba: Tourist Woman Reports Rape in Aruba on Eagle Beach
(Scared Monkeys News Headline dated June 14, 2008)
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/06/14/aruba-tourist-woman-reports-rape-in-aruba-on-eagle-beach/

UPDATE I: Confirmation of woman’s story in Aruba

We have talked to sources in Aruba and Jossy Mansur of Diario and have confirmed that a woman has reported a rape to police. The rape is reported to have occurred on Eagle Beach.
Quote
I was able to confirm the news. It happened on the Eagle Beach, in the area of the low-rise hotels. The victim did go to the hospital accompanied by the police. We don’t know yet if she was attacked by one or more persons. Those are the only details available for now but we will have the rest of the story sometime tomorrow.



Ok then, so far the passport, the shoes, and the rape story all involve Diario and/or Destiny?  Or just Destiny's involvement with her "source" @ Diario?

I'm almost so lost I should stop asking questions!   ::MonkeyEek:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 15, 2009, 06:37:11 PM
September 2 Kyle returned to US.... and he went to John's house when he got back.
September 6 Destiny posted things are happening in Aruba

September 10 both Kyle and Caps show up posting again

Coincidental or not?




Natalee Holloway Case - A&E

9/18/2008

 

(http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/815/billkurtisbethbb7.jpg)

(http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8485/billkurtisfishermanrh4.jpg)

(http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/814/billkurtisknifestolenig5.jpg)



(http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2793/billkurtismikezinszeria8.jpg)

Bill Kurtis interviewed this Mike Zinseria guy and then they went out on a boat to demonstrate how easy it is to dispose of her body in a cage, would only take about 15 minutes in total.

Mike Zinseria said that the only way to figure it out and search is with ROV or submarine and that would cost a lot of money, but it is the most accurate to search the waters.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDFb8R2tkkk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhN4qs9GgjQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGzF52q9YpQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRpJoNzCj_E


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HbBOLLMVco



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 15, 2009, 06:41:32 PM
CAPS WITNESS WAITED THREE YEARS TO COME FORWARD AND WHEN HE DID HE WENT TO THE SHIPS CAPTAIN!

WITNESS APPEARS SHORTLY AFTER THEY FIND THE TRAP
no Tim Miller on board
no Dateline
no FBI
John Silvetti has been working with the CAPS witness
Kyle has been trying to stall everyone telling them September something will happen
CAPS has been telling everyone at the SM site that he needs to know Natalee's religion and then he is suppose to be looking through the cemetary all based on his theory and what this eye witness has told him inspite of
the FACT that DAVE HOLLOWAY told Caps they had searched the cemetary.
Destiny is the one that is given the photos of the POND that Caps/witness says they saw Joran.

Why would yet again, evidence be handed out to someone on the website? Just like Julia Renfro who handed over the Skeeters tape to Roger Scrux to post on a website.


Remember it IS HANS MOS & RICHARDSON who had/have the evidence from the trap & not sent it to the FBI
 

HANS MOS is in charge of the investigation.


private eye
Scared Monkey
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #761 6/26 -

« Reply #235 on: Today at 09:13:20 AM » Did the Monkeys ever get an answer to the analysis of the material found in the cage by the Persistence, but removed and secured by the Arubans?
In Particular, the material that appeared to be blue denim?
scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2979.220

 
DEDICATED TO FINDING NATALEE OR A SCHEME???
Attempting to sell the ROV footage of the CAGE/TRAP
kyle posted:
#544 on:
February 28, 2008, 11:28:32 PM
This is a very good idea. We've been working on that for a couple weeks. I've personally been handling the matter while I was on the east coast last week.
Unfortunately, the Dateline story aired along with Greta and scooped up the remainder of what the press felt was immediately worth reporting on. I can't blame them. It's business. Definitely shot that down though. Move on. Deal with it. Stay the course
.http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.msg357222#msg357222


Withholding evidence
Obstruction of Justice
Accessory After the Fact
Aiding and Abetting/Accessory




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 15, 2009, 06:51:43 PM
Chavez Deploys Navy to Venezuela's Seaports
Sunday, March 15, 2009 


Print ShareThisCARACAS, Venezuela  —  President Hugo Chavez deployed the navy to Venezuela's seaports on Sunday, and he said state governors who challenge new legislation bringing transportation hubs under federal control could end up in prison.

Speaking during his weekly television and radio program, Chavez ordered naval vessels to seize control of Port Cabello in Carabobo state and Maracaibo Port in Zulia state — two of Venezuela's largest seaports.

Rest of the article at:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509295,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 15, 2009, 06:53:39 PM
Kermit

Will Anyone be held accountable or be charged for

Withholding evidence
Obstruction of Justice
Accessory After the Fact
Aiding and Abetting/Accessory

TIA

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 15, 2009, 06:53:49 PM
Too much Chat n Grumbling will turn you from this....

http://tinyurl.com/cm3hh3


To this.....
   ::MonkeyShocked::

http://tinyurl.com/c436gy


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/kermitdance.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 15, 2009, 06:56:50 PM
Too much Chat n Grumbling will turn you from this....

http://tinyurl.com/cm3hh3


To this.....
   ::MonkeyShocked::

http://tinyurl.com/c436gy


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/kermitdance.gif)
  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 15, 2009, 06:58:11 PM
Too much Chat n Grumbling will turn you from this....

http://tinyurl.com/cm3hh3


To this.....
   ::MonkeyShocked::

http://tinyurl.com/c436gy


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/kermitdance.gif)


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 15, 2009, 07:05:23 PM
Too much Chat n Grumbling will turn you from this....

http://tinyurl.com/cm3hh3


To this.....
   ::MonkeyShocked::

http://tinyurl.com/c436gy


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/kermitdance.gif)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

How humble and generous of her to have He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named as her avatar!  He makes a pretty woman... ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 15, 2009, 07:30:56 PM
Too much Chat n Grumbling will turn you from this....

http://tinyurl.com/cm3hh3


To this.....
   ::MonkeyShocked::

http://tinyurl.com/c436gy


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/kermitdance.gif)

Dame Edna is far more enjoyable than that woman who is using her picture. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on March 15, 2009, 07:34:23 PM
Looks like Venezuela has picked the country they want to share their oil with.

http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-14928--12-12--.html

PetroChina, Venezuela to build Guangdong oil refinery

 
Published on Saturday, March 14, 2009 

By Ying Wang

BEIJING, China (Bloomberg): PetroChina Co. and Venezuela will build a refinery in Guangdong province that will rival the biggest Chinese oil-processing plant by capacity as the two nations reinforce their energy ties.

PetroChina, the country’s largest oil company, will “further realize” the agreements with Venezuela on the 400,000 barrel-a-day refinery when energy officials from the South American nation visit Beijing this month, Chairman Jiang Jiemin told reporters on Friday. The capacity will match the size of China Petroleum & Chemical Corp.’s plant in Zhejiang province.

 
Petrochina chairman Jiang Jiemin. AFP PHOTO
Venezuela, the world’s fifth-biggest oil exporter, and China plan to boost oil production from their joint ventures in the South American nation by more than 10-fold in the next six years to 1 million barrels a day. China’s oil and natural-gas shortages will persist in the “long term,” PetroChina’s Jiang said on Jan. 12.

China National Petroleum Corp., PetroChina’s parent, signed an accord with Guangdong yesterday to construct the 55 billion- yuan ($8 billion) refinery, the Guangzhou Daily reported today. PetroChina will own more than 51 percent of the plant and Venezuela will have the rest, Jiang said in Beijing.

“We will start building the Yuedong plant as soon as we get government approval,” said Jiang, who added that a proposal to construct the refinery will be submitted this year to the National Development and Reform Commission, China’s top economic planner. Construction may begin next year, Guangzhou Daily said.

The refinery will source heavy crude oil “mainly from Venezuela,” Jiang said.

Venezuela’s oil is “at the service of China,” Chavez said on Feb. 17. “All the oil China needs for the next 200 years, it’s here. It’s in Venezuela.”

Venezuela has reached out to China and Russia in an attempt to obtain financing for projects in the South American country in exchange for oil and reduce dependence on the U Petroleos de Venezuela SA, known as PDVSA, will provide 200,000 barrels a day to the Asian country to pay down a $4 billion loan from China Development Bank.

The two countries agreed in May 2008 to build a refinery in China and create a joint venture to drill for oil in the Junin 4 area, where China National has been quantifying and certifying reserves. Venezuela plans to export 1 million barrels of oil a day to China by 2011 or 2012, Chavez said then.

China, the world’s second-largest energy consumer, entered into oil-for-loans accords with Venezuela, Brazil and Russia last month, tapping its $1.95 trillion foreign-exchange reserves at a time when credit is scarce.
 
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 15, 2009, 07:53:19 PM
Good evening klaasend, Debbie, Lifesong, bastibro, Mere, Magnolia and 9 Guests (http://bestsmileys.com/insects/4.gif) 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: bastibro on March 15, 2009, 07:55:05 PM
Good evening klaasend, Debbie, Lifesong, bastibro, Mere, Magnolia and 9 Guests (http://bestsmileys.com/insects/4.gif) 

Good evening Muffy


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 15, 2009, 07:56:14 PM

And...what do you know...

The naked picture came from Diario.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2898.msg389282#msg389282
klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
« Reply #653 on: June 12, 2008, 02:12:00 PM » 

Posted by Writergal at RU:

Writergal wrote:

Joran ought to be grateful the hometown paper put a box over it--makes it look as if there's something behind Door Number Two

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2990/30/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/460f62c4371f73ddb23e581af52f9e4d.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 15, 2009, 07:59:29 PM
Good evening klaasend, Debbie, Lifesong, bastibro, Mere, Magnolia and 9 Guests (http://bestsmileys.com/insects/4.gif) 

Good evening Muffy

Hi basitbro  :smt039


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 15, 2009, 08:02:03 PM
Hi MuffyBee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 15, 2009, 08:04:24 PM
Hi MuffyBee!


Hi Lifesong  :smt006  It's always good to "see" you here posting. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 15, 2009, 08:05:03 PM

And...what do you know...

The naked picture came from Diario.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2898.msg389282#msg389282
klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
« Reply #653 on: June 12, 2008, 02:12:00 PM » 

Posted by Writergal at RU:

Writergal wrote:

Joran ought to be grateful the hometown paper put a box over it--makes it look as if there's something behind Door Number Two

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2990/30/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/460f62c4371f73ddb23e581af52f9e4d.jpg)

It didn't originate from Diario it originated from a Dutch website. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 15, 2009, 08:14:23 PM
Caps and Pond posts - witness' story reported in Diario
Joran's passport posted - ?? Destiny "stirred the pot", got email from Diario asking about the passport being online / pics linked to netherlands pic hosting site
Joran's picture in North Korea
K-Swiss Tennis shoe picture - reported in Diario
Joran's nekkied pic in Thailand - reported in Diario / story from Dutch site
Woman raped in Aruba - reported in Diario
John summoned back to Aruba



 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I am so lost!   ::MonkeyHaHa::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: bastibro on March 15, 2009, 08:17:39 PM

And...what do you know...

The naked picture came from Diario.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2898.msg389282#msg389282
klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
« Reply #653 on: June 12, 2008, 02:12:00 PM » 

Posted by Writergal at RU:

Writergal wrote:

Joran ought to be grateful the hometown paper put a box over it--makes it look as if there's something behind Door Number Two

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2990/30/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/460f62c4371f73ddb23e581af52f9e4d.jpg)

It didn't originate from Diario it originated from a Dutch website. 

Thats right, The photo was shoot by a photographer of a Dutch tabloid (paper)magazine


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 15, 2009, 08:18:20 PM
O T
!!!!
14 yr. old Deborah Kalai Fourzan Was Found Safe

troopers arrested 41 yr old James Reimer
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4496.new#new


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 15, 2009, 08:18:35 PM
Caps and Pond posts - witness' story reported in Diario
Joran's passport posted - ?? Destiny "stirred the pot", got email from Diario asking about the passport being online / pics linked to netherlands pic hosting site
Joran's picture in North Korea
K-Swiss Tennis shoe picture - reported in Diario
Joran's nekkied pic in Thailand - reported in Diario / story from Dutch site
Woman raped in Aruba - reported in Diario
John summoned back to Aruba



 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I am so lost!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Well...durrrrr.

Maybe I ought to just put the dates to them. 


Meant to say those are my additions in red to Kermit's post.  Kermit only posted the list, I made notes on it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 15, 2009, 08:19:03 PM
Caps and Pond posts - witness' story reported in Diario
Joran's passport posted - ?? Destiny "stirred the pot", got email from Diario asking about the passport being online / pics linked to netherlands pic hosting site
Joran's picture in North Korea
K-Swiss Tennis shoe picture - reported in Diario
Joran's nekkied pic in Thailand - reported in Diario / story from Dutch site
Woman raped in Aruba - reported in Diario
John summoned back to Aruba



 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I am so lost!   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Me Too ....But I will try to help... What can I do to help.... ::MonkeyCool:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 15, 2009, 08:20:54 PM
O T
!!!!
14 yr. old Deborah Kalai Fourzan Was Found Safe

troopers arrested 41 yr old James Reimer
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4496.new#new
Thank You Nut....Great News that She is Safe and He has been arrested!

 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 15, 2009, 08:40:03 PM

Mere, Artcolley, Kermit, rjdeer, San, Monkey Mia, Elaine, 2NJSons_Mom, AZSunny, klaasend, Icehawk and Lifesong

GOOD NIGHT!!

Janet
8:25 PM PT



Goodnight, Janet.  God Bless.

If I didn't mention it earlier - great job with Thailand/Hong Kong!  Look forward to hearing if the show was recorded.



Lifesong ... we got home a short time ago with two grandkids in two from a family gathering in the Vancouver area.  My daughter and rest of family are faced with another 45 minute drive before they reach home.  She promised me she would check her email as soon as she gets home and ... give me a call.  I am sitting on pins and needles.

Janet 


BUMPITY BUMP!
 ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Elaine on March 15, 2009, 09:00:23 PM
Too much Chat n Grumbling will turn you from this....

http://tinyurl.com/cm3hh3


To this.....
   ::MonkeyShocked::

http://tinyurl.com/c436gy


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/kermitdance.gif)
Is this a current avatar? TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Elaine on March 15, 2009, 09:05:18 PM
Too much Chat n Grumbling will turn you from this....

http://tinyurl.com/cm3hh3


To this.....
   ::MonkeyShocked::

http://tinyurl.com/c436gy


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/kermitdance.gif)
Is this a current avatar? TIA
Reason I am asking is...they must still have a Leak  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 15, 2009, 09:10:17 PM
Too much Chat n Grumbling will turn you from this....

http://tinyurl.com/cm3hh3


To this.....
   ::MonkeyShocked::

http://tinyurl.com/c436gy


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/kermitdance.gif)
Is this a current avatar? TIA

Yes  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Not exactly, they have one thread open for people to read.  Mostly Kermit stuff.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 15, 2009, 09:13:13 PM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY HOTPING!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 15, 2009, 09:15:42 PM
Too much Chat n Grumbling will turn you from this....

http://tinyurl.com/cm3hh3


To this.....
   ::MonkeyShocked::

http://tinyurl.com/c436gy


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/kermitdance.gif)
Is this a current avatar? TIA
Reason I am asking is...they must still have a Leak  ::MonkeyLaugh::

(http://clipart.coolclips.com/AGifm/tf05229/CoolClips_wb026531.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 15, 2009, 09:16:04 PM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY HOTPING!
Thank You KTF!  I hope You are feeling much better.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 15, 2009, 09:17:38 PM
Happy Birthday Hotping!

I know it was a special Birthday weekend because you got to spend time with you precious grandson.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 15, 2009, 09:22:30 PM

Mere, Artcolley, Kermit, rjdeer, San, Monkey Mia, Elaine, 2NJSons_Mom, AZSunny, klaasend, Icehawk and Lifesong

GOOD NIGHT!!

Janet
8:25 PM PT



Goodnight, Janet.  God Bless.

If I didn't mention it earlier - great job with Thailand/Hong Kong!  Look forward to hearing if the show was recorded.



Lifesong ... we got home a short time ago with two grandkids in two from a family gathering in the Vancouver area.  My daughter and rest of family are faced with another 45 minute drive before they reach home.  She promised me she would check her email as soon as she gets home and ... give me a call.  I am sitting on pins and needles.

Janet 


BUMPITY BUMP!
 ::MonkeyWink::



I am still sitting on pins and needles.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

My daughter's contact who was in Hong Kong on a course will be returning to Thailand tomorrow.  Daughter should be hearing then one way or the other if there is a recording of the Kurtis Productions documentary of the ocean search of the Persistence which aired in Asia on Saturday.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 15, 2009, 09:26:16 PM
Caps and Pond posts - witness' story reported in Diario
Joran's passport posted - ?? Destiny "stirred the pot", got email from Diario asking about the passport being online / pics linked to netherlands pic hosting site
Joran's picture in North Korea
K-Swiss Tennis shoe picture - reported in Diario
Joran's nekkied pic in Thailand - reported in Diario / story from Dutch site
Woman raped in Aruba - reported in Diario
John summoned back to Aruba


I am lost too....as always. ::MonkeyConfused::
Just a guess, but could the person that connects to all those things be Jossy?

I don't remember about Joran being in North Korea.
I remember the Sloots being in South Korea.


 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I am so lost!   ::MonkeyHaHa::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 15, 2009, 09:29:08 PM
Happy Birthday Hotping!

I know it was a special Birthday weekend because you got to spend time with you precious grandson.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet
Thank You Janet...Yes it was Special....My Grandson is such a Joy to have around.....I did not like it today when They had to leave...but I will see Him again soon..along with the new baby and My other Son and DIL ... ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2009, 09:53:00 PM
Too much Chat n Grumbling will turn you from this....

http://tinyurl.com/cm3hh3


To this.....
   ::MonkeyShocked::

http://tinyurl.com/c436gy


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/kermitdance.gif)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 15, 2009, 10:30:57 PM
(http://www.pinkcakebox.com/images/big-cake164.jpg) (http://blog.pinkcakebox.com/gallery/monkey-birthday-cakes)

Happy Birthday, Hotping!!

 ::cartwheel::     ::MonkeyDance::   ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyDance::   ::cartwheel::   ::MonkeyDance::


just ignore that part about Julian!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 15, 2009, 10:33:44 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53931.php

Google translation:

Astec not seize funds APA

March 14, 2009, 14:28 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/14-aruba-boekhoudt.gif) 

Alfonso Boekhoudt, director of Aruba Ports Authority (APA) Thursday for the treatment of case against Astec APA had brought to take to make.

ORANGE CITY - The judge yesterday decided to stevedoring company Astec not consent to seize money that Aruba Ports Authority (APA) is. The request was Thursday by Astec in court and was dealt with behind closed doors.
 
Next week, the interim relief between the two companies in which the stevedoring company claiming compensation for the termination of the permanent contract. Astec has been an ongoing contract with APA to work in the port area. With the container port is moving to Barcadera and public procurement is to provide working business activities in the new location may carry out the contract with Astec broken. This requires the company one million fee. Because Astec fear that APA is not enough money to pay for those damages, they would herd recovery. Employees of APA were afraid that if money would be confiscated, it is not enough money to maintain the salaries of the workers pay. The APA-workers also threatened to close the port if this would happen. With the judge's decision, this threat for the job.
Here's More about the Astec and APA this one mentions Mansur

Mansur ta comenta riba asunto di APA y Astec Mansur said ta riba di APA case and Astec
Saturday, 31 January 2009 - 09:56 Saturday, 31 January 2009 - 09:56
Ta Ta
visto cu e Gobierno actual ta bay persisti den kibra e contrato entre Viewed cu e ta bay current government persisted den Kibra and contract
APA y Astec, pa asina por entrega e hafnan di Aruba na un empresa di APA and Astec, pa asin delivery and Hafner di di Aruba navarre a company
Spaño di e grupo Trusam. E di Trusam span group. Un A
di e argumentonan cu Premier Oduber ta uza pa hustifica esaki, y pa e di argumentonan Premier Oduber ta cu hustifica esaki UZA pa, and pa
traha riba emocion di hende ta cu e ta bisa Astec ta un monopolio. Trahan emocion riba di Hende ta bisa cu e ta ta Astec monopoly. Esey Esey
no ta completamente correcto: Astec tin palabracion cu APA pa repartición ta not completely correct: Astec palabracion cu tin pa APA division
di e entradanan pa servicio, pues waf ta wordo maneha pa un joint venture di pa entradanan and service, as WAF maneha word ta pa a joint venture
entre APA cu Astec, den cual APA no mester garantisa Astec ningun ganashi, between APA cu Astec, which are not APA ganashi no mester garantisa Astec,
tur dos ta core risico. ta tur two core risico. Click read more pa lesa mas. Click read more pa mas against.
Den Den
e situación cu gobierno kier crea 1. and state government Kier creates 1 cu. Astec, un empresa Arubano, ta Astec, a company Arubano, ta
bay wordo reemplaza pa un compania Spaòo, 2. word replaces a bay pa Spaòo company, 2. e empleadonan di Astec e di empleadonan Astec
ta core risico di bay perde trabow of nan aòa di servicio, y 3. ta bay di risico core of trabow perde nan di aoa service, and 3. APA APA
mester bay garantisa e compania Spaòo un ganashi di 12% pa aòa! mester bay garantisa company Spaòo and a 12% pa di ganashi aoa! Pues Well
un negoshi di cangrew: no tin sentido pa cambia Astec pa un berdadero a negoshi di cangrew no sense tin pa pa a change Astec berdadero
monopolio estranhero, caminda APA ta bay bira un esclavo di garantia. estranhero monopoly, caminda APA Bira a slave ta bay di warranty.
Pa Pa
colmo tin hopi pregunta riba e grupo Spaòo. Hopi question top tin riba e Spaòo group. Trusam ta un empresa cu Ta cu Trusam a company
ta 54% di Señor Juan Manuel Trujillo y 46% di Señor Jesús Samper, ta 54% say Mr Juan Manuel Trujillo, 46% di Jesus Samper
ambos di nacionalidad spañó. both di nationality span. Na e momentonan aki e dos personanan Navarre e aki momentonan and two personanan
aki ta bringá cu otro, ye diferencia di opinion entre nan ta parce aki cu ta bring another difference ye nan ta di opinion among parcels
di ta afectando nan negoshinan negativamente. di nan ta negoshinan affected negatively.
Den Den
e dianan aki, un di nan companíanan, e team di voetbal Real Murcia e aki target, a di nan companíanan, e di voetbal team Real Murcia
lo wordo declara bankarota cu debenan di mas di 30 miyon Euro. rioja word declares must bankarota cu mas di di 30 Euro miyon. Esaki, Esaki,
apesar cu e equipo atravez di e añanan tabatin entradanan di cientos cu and despite team across di e di hundreds Añana tabatin entradanan
di miyones di Euro. di di miyones Euro.
E E
haf di Aruba, entrada principal di virtualmente tur nos productonan, HAF di Aruba, virtually main di tur productonan us,
no ta un pieza di wega &ldquo;monopoly&rdquo; cu cual nos mandatarionan por not a piece ta di WEGA "monopoly" cu mandatarionan for us
hasi y deshasi pa loco. Hasi and deshasi pa crazy. Ta trata di un situacion serio cu cual mester Ta di deals a serious situation which cu mester
anda cu suma cautela. cu walk caution.
E E
hecho cu prome kier a drenta den un aventura cu Namdar, y awor cu un cu Kier made promises to give Drenthe cu namdo adventure, and a cu awor
otro grupo cu aparentemente tin problemanan serio, ta lanta duda atrobe Another group apparently cu tin problemanan seriously doubt atrobe ta Lanta
den a huicio di esnan cu tin e responsabilidad di goberna e pais aki give Huici esnan cu tin di e di governance and accountability country aki
actualmente. currently.
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riba esey nan a duna un &ldquo;vrijwaring&rdquo; (cu probablemente ta illegal riba nan esey dune to a "vrijwaring (ta cu probably illegal
y nulo) na e hunta di comisario pa tuma decision contra interes di APA, and null) and hunt navarre di pa Commissioner Tuma decision against interest di APA,
ta aun mas pio. ta itself even more.
Partido Party
Democracia Real ta urgi nos Parlamento pa por fabor cuminsa hasi su Real democracy we urged Parliament ta pa fabor cuminsa Hasi its
trabou di vigila y para e locual nos gobernantenan ta hasi. monitors and trabou di e ta gobernantenan Hasi locual us. Corda un A corda
rato cu un di boso ta den parlamento danki na e votonan di e votadornan while a di cu ta den Boso parliament danki navarre votonan e di e votadornan
di PDR, y cu en todo caso ta boso responsabilidad pa representa miles di PDR, and in any case cu ta pa Boso liability represents thousands
di Arubanonan trahador dignamente y segun boso consenshi. di Arubanonan trahador dignity and Boso consenshi seconds.
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mansur is comenta on asunto of apa y astec mansur said is on of apa case and astec saturday, 31 january 2009 - 09:56 saturday, 31 january 2009 - 09:56 is be visto cu the gobierno actual is bay persisti in break the contrato among viewed cu the is bay current government persisted in break and contract apa y astec, for so can entrega the hafnan of aruba at one empresa of apa and astec, for asin delivery and hafner of of aruba navarre owing to company spanish of the are trusam. the of trusam span group. one owing to of the argumentonan cu premier oduber is employ for hustifica this, y for her of argumentonan premier oduber is cu hustifica this employ for, and for work on emocion of person is cu the is tell astec is one monopolio. trahan emocion on of person is tell cu the is be astec monopoly. esey esey do not completamente correcto: astec have palabracion cu apa for repartición is grade completely correct: astec palabracion cu have for apa division of the entradanan for servicio, then platform is wordo maneha for one joint venture of for entradanan and service, ace platform maneha word is for owing to joint venture among apa cu astec, in cual apa not have to garantisa astec none benefit, between apa cu astec, which are grade apa benefit not have to garantisa astec, all two is core risico. is all two core risico. click read more for read more. click read more for more against. in into the situación cu gobierno wanted crea 1. and state government wanted creates 1 cu. astec, one empresa aruban, is astec, owing to company aruban, is bay wordo reemplaza for one compania spaòo, 2. word replaces owing to bay for spaòo company, 2. the empleadonan of astec the of empleadonan astec is core risico of bay lose job or they aòa of servicio, y 3. is bay of risico core or job lose they of aoa service, and 3. apa apa have to bay garantisa the compania spaòo one benefit of 12% for aòa! have to bay garantisa company spaòo and owing to 12% for of benefit aoa! then well one business of cangrew: not have sense for change astec for one berdadero owing to business of cangrew not sense have for before owing to change astec berdadero monopolio foreigner, caminda apa is bay become one esclavo of garantia. foreigner monopoly, caminda apa become owing to slave is bay of warranty. for before colmo have much question on the are spaòo. much question top have on the spaòo group. trusam is one empresa cu is cu trusam owing to company is 54% of sir juan manuel trujillo y 46% of sir jesús samper, is 54% say mr juan manuel trujillo, 46% of jesus samper both of nacionalidad spaniard. both of nationality span. at the momentonan here the two personanan navarre the here momentonan and two personanan here is bringá cu another, ye diferencia of opinion among they're seems here cu is bring another difference ye they're of opinion among parcels of is afectando they negoshinan negativamente. of they're negoshinan affected negatively. in into the dianan here, one of they companíanan, the team of voetbal regal murcia the here target, owing to of they companíanan, the of voetbal team regal murcia will wordo declara bankarota cu debenan of more of 30 miyon euro. rioja word declares must bankarota cu more of of 30 euro miyon. this, this, despite cu the equipo atravez of the añanan had entradanan of cientos cu and despite team across of the of hundreds añana had entradanan of miyones of euro. of of miyones euro. the these harbour of aruba, entrance principal of virtualmente all we productonan, harbour of aruba, virtually main of all productonan us, do not one pieza of game “monopoly” cu cual we mandatarionan can grade owing to piece is of game \"monopoly\" cu mandatarionan for us make y deshasi for loco. make and deshasi for crazy. is deal of one situation earnest cu cual have to is of deals owing to serious situation which cu have to anda cu suma cautela. cu walk caution. the these mature cu first wanted owing to enter in one adventure cu namdar, y now cu one cu wanted made promises to give drenthe cu namdo adventure, and owing to cu now another are cu apparently have problemanan earnest, is arise doubt again another group apparently cu have problemanan seriously doubt again is arise in owing to huicio of esnan cu have the responsabilidad of goberna the country here give huici esnan cu have of the of governance and accountability country here actualmente. currently. 24ora.com - your news provider 24ora.com - your news provider http://www.24ora.com http://www.24ora.com powered by joomla! 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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 15, 2009, 10:36:35 PM
(http://www.pinkcakebox.com/images/big-cake164.jpg) (http://blog.pinkcakebox.com/gallery/monkey-birthday-cakes)

Happy Birthday, Hotping!!

 ::cartwheel::     ::MonkeyDance::   ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyDance::   ::cartwheel::   ::MonkeyDance::


just ignore that part about Julian!
I Love It Lifesong....Thank You!.,..I'm going to have to workout extra hard and long this coming week... after all of this cake...... ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 15, 2009, 10:49:50 PM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY HOTPING


Yyyuuuummmm.. . . . . cake!  I like cake.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 15, 2009, 10:52:10 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53931.php

Google translation:

Astec not seize funds APA

March 14, 2009, 14:28 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/14-aruba-boekhoudt.gif) 

Alfonso Boekhoudt, director of Aruba Ports Authority (APA) Thursday for the treatment of case against Astec APA had brought to take to make.

ORANGE CITY - The judge yesterday decided to stevedoring company Astec not consent to seize money that Aruba Ports Authority (APA) is. The request was Thursday by Astec in court and was dealt with behind closed doors.
 
Next week, the interim relief between the two companies in which the stevedoring company claiming compensation for the termination of the permanent contract. Astec has been an ongoing contract with APA to work in the port area. With the container port is moving to Barcadera and public procurement is to provide working business activities in the new location may carry out the contract with Astec broken. This requires the company one million fee. Because Astec fear that APA is not enough money to pay for those damages, they would herd recovery. Employees of APA were afraid that if money would be confiscated, it is not enough money to maintain the salaries of the workers pay. The APA-workers also threatened to close the port if this would happen. With the judge's decision, this threat for the job.
Here's More about the Astec and APA this one mentions Mansur

Mansur ta comenta riba asunto di APA y Astec Mansur said ta riba di APA case and Astec
Saturday, 31 January 2009 - 09:56 Saturday, 31 January 2009 - 09:56
Ta Ta
visto cu e Gobierno actual ta bay persisti den kibra e contrato entre Viewed cu e ta bay current government persisted den Kibra and contract
APA y Astec, pa asina por entrega e hafnan di Aruba na un empresa di APA and Astec, pa asin delivery and Hafner di di Aruba navarre a company
Spaño di e grupo Trusam. E di Trusam span group. Un A
di e argumentonan cu Premier Oduber ta uza pa hustifica esaki, y pa e di argumentonan Premier Oduber ta cu hustifica esaki UZA pa, and pa
traha riba emocion di hende ta cu e ta bisa Astec ta un monopolio. Trahan emocion riba di Hende ta bisa cu e ta ta Astec monopoly. Esey Esey
no ta completamente correcto: Astec tin palabracion cu APA pa repartición ta not completely correct: Astec palabracion cu tin pa APA division
di e entradanan pa servicio, pues waf ta wordo maneha pa un joint venture di pa entradanan and service, as WAF maneha word ta pa a joint venture
entre APA cu Astec, den cual APA no mester garantisa Astec ningun ganashi, between APA cu Astec, which are not APA ganashi no mester garantisa Astec,
tur dos ta core risico. ta tur two core risico. Click read more pa lesa mas. Click read more pa mas against.
Den Den
e situación cu gobierno kier crea 1. and state government Kier creates 1 cu. Astec, un empresa Arubano, ta Astec, a company Arubano, ta
bay wordo reemplaza pa un compania Spaòo, 2. word replaces a bay pa Spaòo company, 2. e empleadonan di Astec e di empleadonan Astec
ta core risico di bay perde trabow of nan aòa di servicio, y 3. ta bay di risico core of trabow perde nan di aoa service, and 3. APA APA
mester bay garantisa e compania Spaòo un ganashi di 12% pa aòa! mester bay garantisa company Spaòo and a 12% pa di ganashi aoa! Pues Well
un negoshi di cangrew: no tin sentido pa cambia Astec pa un berdadero a negoshi di cangrew no sense tin pa pa a change Astec berdadero
monopolio estranhero, caminda APA ta bay bira un esclavo di garantia. estranhero monopoly, caminda APA Bira a slave ta bay di warranty.
Pa Pa
colmo tin hopi pregunta riba e grupo Spaòo. Hopi question top tin riba e Spaòo group. Trusam ta un empresa cu Ta cu Trusam a company
ta 54% di Señor Juan Manuel Trujillo y 46% di Señor Jesús Samper, ta 54% say Mr Juan Manuel Trujillo, 46% di Jesus Samper
ambos di nacionalidad spañó. both di nationality span. Na e momentonan aki e dos personanan Navarre e aki momentonan and two personanan
aki ta bringá cu otro, ye diferencia di opinion entre nan ta parce aki cu ta bring another difference ye nan ta di opinion among parcels
di ta afectando nan negoshinan negativamente. di nan ta negoshinan affected negatively.
Den Den
e dianan aki, un di nan companíanan, e team di voetbal Real Murcia e aki target, a di nan companíanan, e di voetbal team Real Murcia
lo wordo declara bankarota cu debenan di mas di 30 miyon Euro. rioja word declares must bankarota cu mas di di 30 Euro miyon. Esaki, Esaki,
apesar cu e equipo atravez di e añanan tabatin entradanan di cientos cu and despite team across di e di hundreds Añana tabatin entradanan
di miyones di Euro. di di miyones Euro.
E E
haf di Aruba, entrada principal di virtualmente tur nos productonan, HAF di Aruba, virtually main di tur productonan us,
no ta un pieza di wega &ldquo;monopoly&rdquo; cu cual nos mandatarionan por not a piece ta di WEGA "monopoly" cu mandatarionan for us
hasi y deshasi pa loco. Hasi and deshasi pa crazy. Ta trata di un situacion serio cu cual mester Ta di deals a serious situation which cu mester
anda cu suma cautela. cu walk caution.
E E
hecho cu prome kier a drenta den un aventura cu Namdar, y awor cu un cu Kier made promises to give Drenthe cu namdo adventure, and a cu awor
otro grupo cu aparentemente tin problemanan serio, ta lanta duda atrobe Another group apparently cu tin problemanan seriously doubt atrobe ta Lanta
den a huicio di esnan cu tin e responsabilidad di goberna e pais aki give Huici esnan cu tin di e di governance and accountability country aki
actualmente. currently.
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Cu Cu
riba esey nan a duna un &ldquo;vrijwaring&rdquo; (cu probablemente ta illegal riba nan esey dune to a "vrijwaring (ta cu probably illegal
y nulo) na e hunta di comisario pa tuma decision contra interes di APA, and null) and hunt navarre di pa Commissioner Tuma decision against interest di APA,
ta aun mas pio. ta itself even more.
Partido Party
Democracia Real ta urgi nos Parlamento pa por fabor cuminsa hasi su Real democracy we urged Parliament ta pa fabor cuminsa Hasi its
trabou di vigila y para e locual nos gobernantenan ta hasi. monitors and trabou di e ta gobernantenan Hasi locual us. Corda un A corda
rato cu un di boso ta den parlamento danki na e votonan di e votadornan while a di cu ta den Boso parliament danki navarre votonan e di e votadornan
di PDR, y cu en todo caso ta boso responsabilidad pa representa miles di PDR, and in any case cu ta pa Boso liability represents thousands
di Arubanonan trahador dignamente y segun boso consenshi. di Arubanonan trahador dignity and Boso consenshi seconds.
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mansur is comenta on asunto of apa y astec mansur said is on of apa case and astec saturday, 31 january 2009 - 09:56 saturday, 31 january 2009 - 09:56 is be visto cu the gobierno actual is bay persisti in break the contrato among viewed cu the is bay current government persisted in break and contract apa y astec, for so can entrega the hafnan of aruba at one empresa of apa and astec, for asin delivery and hafner of of aruba navarre owing to company spanish of the are trusam. the of trusam span group. one owing to of the argumentonan cu premier oduber is employ for hustifica this, y for her of argumentonan premier oduber is cu hustifica this employ for, and for work on emocion of person is cu the is tell astec is one monopolio. trahan emocion on of person is tell cu the is be astec monopoly. esey esey do not completamente correcto: astec have palabracion cu apa for repartición is grade completely correct: astec palabracion cu have for apa division of the entradanan for servicio, then platform is wordo maneha for one joint venture of for entradanan and service, ace platform maneha word is for owing to joint venture among apa cu astec, in cual apa not have to garantisa astec none benefit, between apa cu astec, which are grade apa benefit not have to garantisa astec, all two is core risico. is all two core risico. click read more for read more. click read more for more against. in into the situación cu gobierno wanted crea 1. and state government wanted creates 1 cu. astec, one empresa aruban, is astec, owing to company aruban, is bay wordo reemplaza for one compania spaòo, 2. word replaces owing to bay for spaòo company, 2. the empleadonan of astec the of empleadonan astec is core risico of bay lose job or they aòa of servicio, y 3. is bay of risico core or job lose they of aoa service, and 3. apa apa have to bay garantisa the compania spaòo one benefit of 12% for aòa! have to bay garantisa company spaòo and owing to 12% for of benefit aoa! then well one business of cangrew: not have sense for change astec for one berdadero owing to business of cangrew not sense have for before owing to change astec berdadero monopolio foreigner, caminda apa is bay become one esclavo of garantia. foreigner monopoly, caminda apa become owing to slave is bay of warranty. for before colmo have much question on the are spaòo. much question top have on the spaòo group. trusam is one empresa cu is cu trusam owing to company is 54% of sir juan manuel trujillo y 46% of sir jesús samper, is 54% say mr juan manuel trujillo, 46% of jesus samper both of nacionalidad spaniard. both of nationality span. at the momentonan here the two personanan navarre the here momentonan and two personanan here is bringá cu another, ye diferencia of opinion among they're seems here cu is bring another difference ye they're of opinion among parcels of is afectando they negoshinan negativamente. of they're negoshinan affected negatively. in into the dianan here, one of they companíanan, the team of voetbal regal murcia the here target, owing to of they companíanan, the of voetbal team regal murcia will wordo declara bankarota cu debenan of more of 30 miyon euro. rioja word declares must bankarota cu more of of 30 euro miyon. this, this, despite cu the equipo atravez of the añanan had entradanan of cientos cu and despite team across of the of hundreds añana had entradanan of miyones of euro. of of miyones euro. the these harbour of aruba, entrance principal of virtualmente all we productonan, harbour of aruba, virtually main of all productonan us, do not one pieza of game “monopoly” cu cual we mandatarionan can grade owing to piece is of game \"monopoly\" cu mandatarionan for us make y deshasi for loco. make and deshasi for crazy. is deal of one situation earnest cu cual have to is of deals owing to serious situation which cu have to anda cu suma cautela. cu walk caution. the these mature cu first wanted owing to enter in one adventure cu namdar, y now cu one cu wanted made promises to give drenthe cu namdo adventure, and owing to cu now another are cu apparently have problemanan earnest, is arise doubt again another group apparently cu have problemanan seriously doubt again is arise in owing to huicio of esnan cu have the responsabilidad of goberna the country here give huici esnan cu have of the of governance and accountability country here actualmente. currently. 24ora.com - your news provider 24ora.com - your news provider http://www.24ora.com http://www.24ora.com powered by joomla! 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Astec Aruba

Aruba Stevedoring Company
History
Since days, long gone, local Agencies representing the Shipping Lines that brought cargo to Aruba performed their own stevedoring work of unloading and loading the ships and delivering- and receiving their cargoes, for which purpose they employed their own supervisory staff whilst labor was being contracted on an hourly wage basis from a labor pool. When by the end of the 1970s containerization came on the scene, an overall revision of all port activities was required.


A contractual basis with the local Government was agreed upon and this is how Aruba Stevedoring Company (ASTEC) N.V. was created and continues to operate as from the start of its existence, which was on September 15th, 1983.

 

 

Handling the needs of bustling port
During the year 2005 ASTEC handled over 57,000 TEUS (20-feet equivalent container units), 5,200 passenger cars and over 44,000 tons of loose cargo, mostly consisting of cement on pallets and in big-bags, bundled lumber, and steel structures of various shapes. Containers and cars are being discharges or loaded stored and delivered at Oranjestad, where as in order not to disturb cruise-tourism, most of the loose cargo is being handled at Barcadera.


The work of ASTEC is a 24-hour/seven days a week operation. The majority of imported goods come either from the United States or from Northern Europe, from where shipping lines such as King Ocean, Maersk, EWL, CMA-CGM, Hapag-Lloyd, Sea Freight, Hamburg- Sud, CSAV and CFS/ZIM offer regular container services to Aruba. Cars from the Far East and South America arrive on typically shaped car-carriers of NYK and K-line.


Containers are sorted by size and type, whereas electric connections are available for reefers, freeze-and deepfreeze containers carrying perishable cargoes.

 

 

Equipment
The company owns a fleet of Reach Stakers (Container lifting equipment), dedicated Terminal Tractors and heavy duty Terminal Chassis, roll trailers, forklift trucks with lifting capacities of between 2.5-and 16 tons, electric (warehouse) forklift trucks and specialized handling- and lifting gear to provide safe and damage-free movement of cargo. All equipment is being serviced and repaired at the company's own workshop. State of the art software guarantees a smooth delivery and dispatch of cargoes.


In cooperation with the Aruba Port Authority N.V., the Aruban Customs Service, and local Shipping Agencies, ASTEC expects to continue to be able to provide the Aruban business community with uninterrupted handling-and delivery of their cargoes as it has been doing since commencing its operations 23 years ago.

 

 

Berth Reservation Container Terminal Oranjestad


http://www.selmaduro.com/aruba-stevedoring-company.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 15, 2009, 10:54:08 PM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY HOTPING


Yyyuuuummmm.. . . . . cake!  I like cake.
Thank You Anna...Dig In... Help Yourself and Enjoy! Everyone is Welcome to Share My B-Day Cake.....The More the Merrier!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2009, 11:11:38 PM
Too much Chat n Grumbling will turn you from this....

http://tinyurl.com/cm3hh3


To this.....
   ::MonkeyShocked::

http://tinyurl.com/c436gy


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/kermitdance.gif)
Is this a current avatar? TIA

Yes  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Not exactly, they have one thread open for people to read.  Mostly Kermit stuff.

I'm guessing this new open thread came out after GM took down the one there?

Guess it wasn't much fun, when all the hatefulness was hidden.
 
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 15, 2009, 11:19:57 PM
I see Batibro is their newest member and he is so happy to be there. ::MonkeyTongue:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: mytime on March 15, 2009, 11:25:00 PM
Too much Chat n Grumbling will turn you from this....

http://tinyurl.com/cm3hh3


To this.....
   ::MonkeyShocked::

http://tinyurl.com/c436gy


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/kermitdance.gif)
Is this a current avatar? TIA

Yes  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Not exactly, they have one thread open for people to read.  Mostly Kermit stuff.

I'm guessing this new open thread came out after GM took down the one there?

Guess it wasn't much fun, when all the hatefulness was hidden.
 
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Those people are a disgrace to the human race!!!!  Yeah right, they are looking for justice for Natalee!!   ::MonkeyNoNo::  They are just trying to fill a very sad and distrubed hole in there own lives!!  I am sickened that I ever associated with some of them!!   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 15, 2009, 11:35:04 PM
I see Batibro is their newest member and he is so happy to be there. ::MonkeyTongue:: ::cartwheel::

Can someone please figure out how to translate this page where Bastibro and johann555 seem to be regulars? HERE IS THE URL. (http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1255051/6/25)

If they are posting now at an allegedly sympathetic-to-Beth website, then why were they posting on this forum that published a letter insulting to Beth Holloway?  The letter is an image file on that Dutch forum.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2009, 11:39:08 PM
Too much Chat n Grumbling will turn you from this....

http://tinyurl.com/cm3hh3


To this.....
   ::MonkeyShocked::

http://tinyurl.com/c436gy


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/kermitdance.gif)
Is this a current avatar? TIA

Yes  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Not exactly, they have one thread open for people to read.  Mostly Kermit stuff.

I'm guessing this new open thread came out after GM took down the one there?

Guess it wasn't much fun, when all the hatefulness was hidden.
 
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Those people are a disgrace to the human race!!!!  Yeah right, they are looking for justice for Natalee!!   ::MonkeyNoNo::  They are just trying to fill a very sad and distrubed hole in there own lives!!  I am sickened that I ever associated with some of them!!   ::MonkeyConfused::

Yes, I've been feeling that way too.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 15, 2009, 11:39:34 PM
I Agree Mytime....It's Pretty Sad!  ::MonkeyEek:: I would think since They think that They know how to solve the case that They would be busy doing it instead of worrying about what the SM Monkeys are doing and spending all of Their time Bashing Us and Kermit and the EXFreebirds....

I know I don't have time to even go over and read there forum because I'm trying to help find Justice for Natalee!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 15, 2009, 11:59:50 PM
Klaas.I was unaware of the connection between Daphne GM and Poochy SM???What do you think??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 16, 2009, 12:11:35 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2009, 12:19:24 AM
Klaas.I was unaware of the connection between Daphne GM and Poochy SM???What do you think??

I think Daphne says they are Poochy and they use the same avatar, so I'd say it's a match.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2009, 12:21:42 AM
I see Batibro is their newest member and he is so happy to be there. ::MonkeyTongue:: ::cartwheel::

Can someone please figure out how to translate this page where Bastibro and johann555 seem to be regulars? HERE IS THE URL. (http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1255051/6/25)

If they are posting now at an allegedly sympathetic-to-Beth website, then why were they posting on this forum that published a letter insulting to Beth Holloway?  The letter is an image file on that Dutch forum.

Oldie - that is the FOK forum.  See if this google translation works for you:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.fok.nl%2Ftopic%2F1255051%2F6%2F25&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 12:22:16 AM
Alternative Postioning Services... APS...John Silvetti's Company out of Lafayette Louisiana.....This Article was in the May 2005 addition of Offshore Source... Surely if there were 90 souls lost Then John Silvetti has seen human remains underwater before....  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyEek::

  APS Completes Segment for “Deepsea Detective”
Alternative Positioning Solutions, (APS), recently complet-
ed filming a segment for the TV series “Deepsea Detective”
which is an investigative series regularly airing on the History
Channel. The segment was focused on determining the effects
of Hurricane Ivan on the Civil War Ironclad Gunship, “USS
Tecumseh”.
The USS Tecumseh went down with over 90 souls on board
after striking a mine while attacking Fort Morgan at the
entrance to Mobile Bay, Alabama.
APS, a navigation, positioning and sonar services company
based in Lafayette, La. was contacted by representatives from
Lone Wolf Productions to assist in this segment. They were
specifically interested in the SonaVision Variable Frequency
Bottom Scanning Sonar utilized by APS. This sonar system
allows APS to adjust the frequency to “see” up to 200 meters
out from the tripod mounted transceiver head.
According to APS Company Spokesman and Operations in
assisting divers where visibility is limited. Visibility at the site
was less than 3 feet.
APS also provided a magnetometer system along with the
Bottom Scanning Sonar for this project. The time has not yet
been announced for the airing of this segment.

http://www.offshoresource.com/pdf/os_may_05.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 12:22:22 AM

The Search for Natalee Holloway  

XVIII. Sonar Search Complete
Update: Mon 03-March 1345 hrs


It is difficult going home with many questions left unanswered and so many sonar targets remaining to be explored. Our comfort lies in knowledge that we have done the best job we could, that we can return to dive on the remaining targets when funded, and that answers may come in time. We feel that the search is not over but rather entering a new phase.

Posted by Kyle Kingman

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/xviii-sonar-search-complete.html
 

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: The logs are in a safe somewhere. John and Ryan Poff (one of John's project managers) knows where it is. I can't get copies of the logs at this time. Perhaps in a few months. The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot.  I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 12:23:45 AM
GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
9:25 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 16, 2009, 12:27:36 AM
GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
9:25 PM PT

Good night Janet (http://bestsmileys.com/sleeping/11.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 12:28:29 AM
Nite Janet! Rest Well.... You never know what tomorrow will bring and We have to be ready......Kermit is just full of Surprises....  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 12:30:42 AM



Goodnight KTF and Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 16, 2009, 12:35:32 AM

The Search for Natalee Holloway  

XVIII. Sonar Search Complete
Update: Mon 03-March 1345 hrs


It is difficult going home with many questions left unanswered and so many sonar targets remaining to be explored. Our comfort lies in knowledge that we have done the best job we could, that we can return to dive on the remaining targets when funded, and that answers may come in time. We feel that the search is not over but rather entering a new phase.

Posted by Kyle Kingman

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/xviii-sonar-search-complete.html
 

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: The logs are in a safe somewhere. John and Ryan Poff (one of John's project managers) knows where it is. I can't get copies of the logs at this time. Perhaps in a few months. The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot.  I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris.


Doesn't sound as though there is much to return to search based on the words of Kyle Kingman.  Seems the only likely target was the one which they turned over exclusively to ALE.

And why some think this a good idea, I will never understand.

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2009, 12:40:47 AM
Nite Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 12:58:08 AM
3/16/2009 Awe Mainta Page 29

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Papiamentu translation:

are of man owing to beat 2 mericano in weststraat

presencia of police owing to wordo ask saturday 3’or of madruga in weststraat, at height of sr. froggs where have one action serious, among various man. hour cu police owing to arrive n’e lugar, they're come across cu some man is push another on caya. police owing to see cu in the are had 2 mericano, that was rondona p’e bringadonan y uno was all at blood. one his cara near left was all swell. patrol owing to conseha he injury p’e bay poli for tratamento, while cu the another was haci fastioso, police was wanted owing to mande for of the sitio. but past owing to stay haci fastioso y busca the are problem. not owing to stay police nothing another for detene y hibe keep of police at oranjestad. esun injury, owing to bay poli for tratamento.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 01:16:14 AM
3/16/2009 Awe Mainta Front Page

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Papiamentu translation:

prensa venezolano nel is envolvi in actonan fraudulento do not first trip cu awemainta is saca informacion tocante the situation financiero of the proyecto acqua cu is wordo construi n’e part north of we island. the informacion here owing to good for of medionan of comunicacion venezolano caminda cu is show cu the desaroyadornan practicamente is at bancarota.

Page 3

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Papiamentu translation:

prensa venezolano is indica cu previous to minister nelson oduber will is envolucra in actonan fraudulento do not first trip cu awemainta is saca informacion tocante the situation financiero of the proyecto acqua cu is wordo construi n’e part north of we island. the informacion here owing to good for of medionan of comunicacion venezolano caminda cu is show cu the desaroyadornan practicamente is at bancarota. the trip here also, basando we self on articulonan publica in medionan of comunicacion venezolano, as among another noticias candela, is go back menciona the pasado doubtful of the participantenan in the proyecto of condominio here, caminda cu the trip here also previous to minister nelson orlando oduber is wordo envolucra. in one first articulo is menciona cu julio marcolli y his advocate jose vicente melo lopez owing to reuni cu first minister oduber y after owing to anuncia one inversion of close of 300 miyon guilder. the medio of comunicacion is tell cu they not know if is one joke of bad taste or simplemente one lie big orquestra for marcolli y his socionan or one great estafa caminda will can is participando miembronan of banco priva of aruba y the own first minister. they're menciona cu the proyecto acqua is practicamente paraliza caminda cu marcolli y his empresa cayco have debenan miyonario cu banconan priva at venezuela. also is indica cu cayco owing to estafa one great number of cumprador of condominion at various proyecto at venezuela. “nos do not imagina we self first minister of aruba nelson oduber, bebiendo coffee y papiando of business cu julio marcolli, of origen argentino, cu is commend cu the have relacionnan cu farc (narco gueriya of colombia) y cu his compañeronan “montoneros” cu owing to form y is form part of the gobiernonan of nestor y cristina fernandes de kirchner at argentina…marcolli owing to kill two parha cu one sun stone, is evita the paralizacion by of bancarota of acqua-aruba y is corumpi first minister nelson oduber”. in one another articulo can read cu they not know if first minister of aruba is or is haci as cu the is loco hour the is sit y atende business cu is implica gobierno of aruba, cu one individual cu owing to form parto of the hunta directiva of banco latin cu owing to bay bancarota (nan is referi here at jose vicente melo gomez, advocate of julio marcolli). the bancarota of the banco here also owing to let consecuencianan at antiyas dutch (incluyendo aruba). also they're menciona aruba royal resort cu owing to wordo financia for banco de maracaibo y banco latin, caminda cu awendia have divi phoenix. more aleu in the articulo can read cu acqua aruba is pretente of ripiti the same practicanan fraudulento cu banco latin owing to impone añanan behind y cu owing to let tanto victimanan behind, cu the agravante cu now they're count ; cu complicidad of first minister of aruba nelson oduber. one another articulo is indica cu the paralizacion y bancarota of the proyecto acqua-aruba y of are gayco is afecta notablemente gobierno of aruba. more still not t’e island is in epoca electoral. “e negoshinan dark y the practicanan corupto of julio marcolli is arastra first minister nelson orlando oduber y the faction oficial aruban movimiento electoral of people (mep)….un mafia crea presuntamente for comete one great estafa y fraude cu the bisto good of gobierno of aruba, of one near obteniendo creditonan cu still they not owing to honor cu banco priva y publico venezolano y cu banco priva foreigner, y of another near bendiendo apartamentnan of one proyecto ambicioso cu finalmente not will conclui never. the mega fraude here will perhudica internacionalmente the imagen of aruba because; destiny turistico y because; destiny for inverti in regal estate”. the acusacionnan here in direccion of we first minister assure is of indole very important self y the will have to come fast for give one splicacion of kico his rol is in all the asunto here y more still con come owing to give autorizacion p’e type of personanan here come cu one proyecto so on we island cu as the medionan of comunicacion venezolano is tell, can perhudica we imagen internacionalmente. the type of propaganda here is afecta more still the imagen already end deteriora of faction mep y his leader nelson oduber, specialmente now cu we is in year of eleccion y all indicacion is cu the caida cu the faction yellow will conoce in resultadonan will is one of the more grandinan in they history.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2009, 01:48:56 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 16, 2009, 01:56:52 AM
TxMoM,

Well, my Papiamentu seems to be totally on the Fritz as I can't understand a word of anything tonight!

Am giving up and hope someone will help us a bit with all that.  I think maybe two Americans got beat up at Sr. Frogs but then maybe they did the beating?  Don't know.

And no idea what Oduber is comtemplating with that sinister look.

Tomorrow is a new week and hope it is the one that finds Justice for Natalee.

Goodnite, all!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 02:00:40 AM
Good Night Anna! I hope You got Your fill of Birthday Cake...lol  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 02:01:20 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL!

Goodnight Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 02:06:11 AM
I was researchig APS...John Silvetti's Company and found this but I'm not brave enough to go to the link because it has a warning  ::MonkeyEek::

This site may harm your computer.
Sonavision's Newsletter leading the way. John & Roberta Silvetti of APS LLC at Sonavision ...xxxxx@sonavision.xxx The other young blood on the ...
www.sonavision.xxxxxxxxx Similar pages -

EDIT:  DISABLED LINKS PER POSTER REQUEST


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 02:09:57 AM
TxMoM,

Well, my Papiamentu seems to be totally on the Fritz as I can't understand a word of anything tonight!

Am giving up and hope someone will help us a bit with all that.  I think maybe two Americans got beat up at Sr. Frogs but then maybe they did the beating?  Don't know.

And no idea what Oduber is comtemplating with that sinister look.

Tomorrow is a new week and hope it is the one that finds Justice for Natalee.

Goodnite, all!




 ::MonkeyHaHa::

The sinister looking pic of Oduber has actually been around awhile.  I don't understand it all either, but thought enough (of what I could gather) raised hinky flags for me to go ahead and put it out here.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 02:11:39 AM
Goodnight All!

Could a Mod please disable those links on My previous post.....I don't want anyone clicking on them and Blowing out their computer...TIA  ::MonkeyShocked::

Edit: Done


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 02:25:24 AM
TxMoM,

Well, my Papiamentu seems to be totally on the Fritz as I can't understand a word of anything tonight!

Am giving up and hope someone will help us a bit with all that.  I think maybe two Americans got beat up at Sr. Frogs but then maybe they did the beating?  Don't know.

And no idea what Oduber is comtemplating with that sinister look.

Tomorrow is a new week and hope it is the one that finds Justice for Natalee.

Goodnite, all!




 ::MonkeyHaHa::

The sinister looking pic of Oduber has actually been around awhile.  I don't understand it all either, but thought enough (of what I could gather) raised hinky flags for me to go ahead and put it out here.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 02:27:03 AM
TxMoM,

Well, my Papiamentu seems to be totally on the Fritz as I can't understand a word of anything tonight!

Am giving up and hope someone will help us a bit with all that.  I think maybe two Americans got beat up at Sr. Frogs but then maybe they did the beating?  Don't know.

And no idea what Oduber is comtemplating with that sinister look.

Tomorrow is a new week and hope it is the one that finds Justice for Natalee.

Goodnite, all!




 ::MonkeyHaHa::

The sinister looking pic of Oduber has actually been around awhile.  I don't understand it all either, but thought enough (of what I could gather) raised hinky flags for me to go ahead and put it out here.

I was trying to add...

Goodnight Anna!   ::MonkeyCool::

Not sure what happened there!   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 02:28:54 AM


It's good to see you Cageman!   ::MonkeyCool::

I hope all is well.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 02:45:05 AM
I was researchig APS...John Silvetti's Company and found this but I'm not brave enough to go to the link because it has a warning  ::MonkeyEek::

This site may harm your computer.
Sonavision's Newsletter leading the way. John & Roberta Silvetti of APS LLC at Sonavision ...  The other young blood on the ...
sonavision.cxxxx- Similar pages -
self edit....I Hope!  ::MonkeyEek::

Edit:  Done


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 02:51:06 AM
Good Night TM.....I hope no one clicks on those links.....I'm really tired and did not realize that I actually posted the entire link until it was to late....  ::MonkeyWaa:: 

Edit:  Done


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 16, 2009, 03:12:54 AM

The Search for Natalee Holloway  

XVIII. Sonar Search Complete
Update: Mon 03-March 1345 hrs


It is difficult going home with many questions left unanswered and so many sonar targets remaining to be explored. Our comfort lies in knowledge that we have done the best job we could, that we can return to dive on the remaining targets when funded, and that answers may come in time. We feel that the search is not over but rather entering a new phase.

Posted by Kyle Kingman

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/xviii-sonar-search-complete.html
 

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: The logs are in a safe somewhere. John and Ryan Poff (one of John's project managers) knows where it is. I can't get copies of the logs at this time. Perhaps in a few months. The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot.  I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris.
This is classic.
Kyle SAYS: It is difficult going home with many questions left unanswered and so many sonar targets remaining to be explored.
The "unanswered questions" are still "answerable" by Kyle, John S., and Tim T at the very least. THEY WERE THERE.....but so far...THEY HAVEN'T SHARED WHAT THEY SAW FIRST HAND!
Kyle expressed to the Freebirds what THEY SAW.....but then backed off for his own, and presumable, John S. and Tim T., PERSONAL FINANCIAL GAINS...
Kyle SAYS: I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris
I tend to believe Kyle here....
After all...he says he's for Justice for Natalee......
I tend to say...BULL$HIT...
As for the other targets....Let's not forget.....the persistence was mapping for oil....IN DEEPER WATER than where the cage with remains where found......
Probably, the targets are in DEEPER WATER.....scuba divers can't dive to those depths...SO...
The only reason the advocates of the persistence search throw out there that there are another 100 or so targets to search....IS THAT THEY ARE HOPING TO AGAIN SOLICIT FUNDS FROM THOSE WHO ARE LOOKING FOR JUSTICE FOR NATALEE....
DON'T be fooled....THEY... ARE NOT SEARCHING FOR JUSTICE FOR NATALEE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 16, 2009, 03:16:34 AM
Hotping...
A belated HAPPY BIRTHDAY!....
May you have many more..... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 16, 2009, 03:21:41 AM
Just watched KINGS.....
IF I were KING for a day......
PAULASS AND URINE would become queens to my trusty STAFF....If you know what I mean!
They would expose ALL they know...or not...BUTT I would expose them, either way...UP THE MIDDLE!
Just saying... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 03:22:37 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 16, 2009, 03:22:43 AM
I tend to talk to myself late at night...
Sorry for the off topic....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 16, 2009, 03:24:36 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 03:25:18 AM
Good Night TM.....I hope no one clicks on those links.....I'm really tired and did not realize that I actually posted the entire link until it was to late....  ::MonkeyWaa:: 

Goodnight Hotping!   ::MonkeyCool::

Don't worry, before the links you had the warning also; so if anyone does click...it will be at their own risk!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 03:26:11 AM
Just watched KINGS.....
IF I were KING for a day......
PAULASS AND URINE would become queens to my trusty STAFF....If you know what I mean!
They would expose ALL they know...or not...BUTT I would expose them, either way...UP THE MIDDLE!
Just saying... ::MonkeyWink::

I wish you were KING for a day then billb!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 03:29:06 AM
I tend to talk to myself late at night...
Sorry for the off topic....

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

It's alright billb!  If I hadn't been off looking at pictures, I would have been here so you wouldn't have to talk to yourself!  I'm sure that would have been more fun!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 03:30:22 AM
Good Night billb, texasmom and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Goodnight billb!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 03:59:06 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 04:11:07 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 04:21:35 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 16, 2009, 09:12:29 AM
Thank you Lifesong.

Just makes me shake my head. ::MonkeyNoNo::

I don't know if this is a continuing comprehension problem for her, or if Kyle is now back pedalling FAST.


Part of ldstlou's post at GM.  My thoughts in red:

Kyle told me that if there had been evidence in the cage that was related to Natalee, then Dateline would not have been able to show the footage because it would have been evidence in an ongoing investigation. When the divers came up after the Dec 30th dive with the thumbs down sign, there was an agent from Quantico on the boat. Someone from Dateline had asked the agent if there was any evidence related to Natalee and the Quantico agent then told him no which gave Dateline legally, the right to use the footage in their show. So it was the Quantico agent who said there was no evidence in the cage related to Natalee. If there had been evidence related to Natalee's case, Dateline would NOT have been able to show it. (Really?? the Quantico agent could tell right away WITHOUT TESTING that nothing in the cage pertained to Natalee or Joran?  BS, pure BS and you can't possibly believe this))

Next Kyle told me, that indeed Schaefer had planned on doing a documentary on the search. When they found out that Dateline was going to air the footage before they had a chance to sell their documentary, they contacted the FBI to try and get it stopped. I believe that the FBI then called Dateline and said they could not show all of the footage of the dive. This is my understanding of what happened after talking to Kyle. ((Again, I call BS.  Dateline was part of the search from the very beginning starting with shots taken at the dock in LA.  You trying to tell me that Dateline pulled a fast one on all of them?))

I just am not one who believes in a conspiracy theory or any wrong doing in Schaefer wanting to do a documentary of the search for Natalee. They were usurped by Dateline who originally was doing a show on Tim and TES, but who changed the theme of their show to the Persistence and the search before they had a buyer for their own documentary. I also don't believe Schaefer would have made a "lot of money" on the documentary, I believe he was trying to recoup some of the money he had put into the search.

Logic dictates, that IF they had found Natalee in the cage, THEN they certainly would have made a lot of money selling the footage. What is the point in hiding the fact that they found Natalee...there is none!!!  ((There is no logic dictating what you post, only emotion))

I'll likely have more to say after I wake up  ::MonkeyCool::



I only made it to the second sentence.

Kyle Kingman:  "I have not given anything to the FBI since the pictures and statements from Dec 29th.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 16, 2009, 09:30:53 AM
IF the trap isn't important, has no remains, just a bunch of hermit crabs, then how come....

Kyle said: The logs are in a safe somewhere. John and Ryan Poff (one of John's project managers) knows where it is. I can't get copies of the logs at this time. Perhaps in a few months. The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot. I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris.[/u]




And yet all this talk from Silvetti afterward about needing to raise funds to go explore the remaining targets.

After his own analyst says those targets are JUNK.

Just like that same analyst says there was NOTHING in that pond either.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2009, 09:54:24 AM
(http://www.nationalenquirer.com/images/ne/208542/50179.jpg)

DESPERATE LAST CRY FOR HELP THAT COULD TRAP ARUBA KILLERS
By REBECCA MOWLING

A desperate last phone call from missing Natalee Holloway could provide police with a vital link to the killers in the Aruba murder case. The National Enquirer has discovered what may have been a last cry for help by the 18-year-old honors student.

Shortly after she was last seen alive, she left a message on a close friend's cell phone. Chillingly, a sinister male voice is heard in the background asking Natalee: "Are you calling home?"

An insider in the investigation said: "Her friend believes it could have been the last call from Natalee, who was in trouble and desperate for help."

In a stunning development on July 4, two of the three suspects in the case — brothers Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Katish Kalpoe, 18 — were released from custody. The prime suspect, Joran van der Sloot, 17, was ordered to be detained for 60 more days for continued interrogation.

Natalee, from Birmingham, Ala., went missing after enjoying the final evening of a five-day graduation trip to the Caribbean island. Her classmates last saw her at 1 am on May 30 when she left Carlos 'n' Charlie's bar, a popular nightspot in the town of Oranjestad, with a tall, dark-haired teenager later identified as Van der Sloot.

Sources close to the investigation say Natalee appeared to be traveling inside a car when she phoned her pal at a time police will give only as "between 2 am and 5 am".

The friend, who had been in Aruba with Natalee, had her cell phone turned off as she flew home to Alabama and didn't listen to her messages until later that day. It is believed her final chilling words are on that voicemail.

Authorities are combing through phone records to locate where the call came from. They appear to have been stung into action by the efforts of Natalee's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, 44, who flew to Aruba that day and immediately began her own investigation.

Charles Croes, who owns a rental phone business in Aruba, revealed that he had been contacted on May 30 by Natalee's family trying to trace a phone call.

"A close friend of mine called me up who was working with Natalee's family to help find her," he said. "My friend explained there was a call made by Natalee and he was hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones." After becoming involved in the case, the businessman helped Natalee's mother identify and track down Van der Sloot, the son of a justice official in Aruba.

When Croes confronted Joran, the 6 ft 5 ins schoolboy tennis star claimed Natalee had been doing drugs and drinking before he took her home. "He (Joran) told me that she was coming onto him, and dancing provocatively, and then she said she wanted him to have him take her home. He then agreed to that," Croes said.

As we reported exclusively two weeks ago, Aruban police believe that somebody slipped Natalee the drug Ecstasy while she was inside the bar.

They suspect she died of a drug overdose after going off with Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers. The three gave conflicting accounts of how they left Natalee to find her way home. Joran later changed his story to claim that he and Natalee were dropped off at a beach near the Marriott Hotel, where he left her alone at 1:50 am.

But investigators became convinced he and Natalee were never even on the beach. "It's hard to believe any man would leave a girl alone on a beach in the early hours of the morning," said the source.

"Joran has told so many lies there's no reason to believe his latest story is true. There are no independent witnesses who saw them on the beach and no trace was found of Natalee during a search of the area.

"Perhaps Joran has been deliberately trying to throw the investigation off by lying about where they were."

Whatever the truth of how Natalee died, our investigation reveals that her body may not have been disposed of that night. It is extremely difficult to hide a body, especially with only a couple of hours before daylight," said another source.

"Natalee weighed about 110lbs. If she was dumped at sea it would take 165lbs — one and a half times her body weight — to prevent the body from resurfacing.

"And a boat could not have been used to transport the body in the middle of the night without raising suspicion."

Authorities believe it is unlikely that one person was able to move the body and they have continued to question Joran's friends as possible suspects involved in Natalee's disappearance.

Dutch-born Joran's father, Paulus van der Sloot, a former acting head of the government legal department, was arrested and held for three days in connection with the investigation.

"We have information that Joran's father Paulus called several of Joran's friends in the following days and asked them to back up his son's alibi," revealed the insider. Officials believe Paulus met with the three suspects a couple of days after Natalee vanished and told them: "Without a body, the police don't have a case against you."


Published on: 07/08/2005


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 10:38:11 AM


Good morning everyone!   ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks for the article Klaas! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 11:26:44 AM

The Search for Natalee Holloway  

XVIII. Sonar Search Complete
Update: Mon 03-March 1345 hrs


It is difficult going home with many questions left unanswered and so many sonar targets remaining to be explored. Our comfort lies in knowledge that we have done the best job we could, that we can return to dive on the remaining targets when funded, and that answers may come in time. We feel that the search is not over but rather entering a new phase.

Posted by Kyle Kingman

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/xviii-sonar-search-complete.html
 

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: The logs are in a safe somewhere. John and Ryan Poff (one of John's project managers) knows where it is. I can't get copies of the logs at this time. Perhaps in a few months. The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot.  I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris.

When Kyle Kingman's own words and his professinal expertise are considered ... donations that were received on behalf of the Natalee Holloway ocean search following the Persistent leaving Aruba should be returned.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 11:37:03 AM
Considering Kyle Kingman's own words ... Tamikosmom's words will be John Silvetti's worst nightmare if he leads an undertaking to investigate those targets using solicited funds.

Janet
_____

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
The logs are in a safe somewhere. John and Ryan Poff (one of John's project managers) knows where it is. I can't get copies of the logs at this time. Perhaps in a few months. The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot.  I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 16, 2009, 11:39:19 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

Considering Kyle Kingman's own words ... Tamikosmom's words will be John Silvetti's worst nightmare if he leads an undertaking to investigate those targets using solicited funds.

Janet
_____

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
The logs are in a safe somewhere. John and Ryan Poff (one of John's project managers) knows where it is. I can't get copies of the logs at this time. Perhaps in a few months. The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot.  I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 11:47:58 AM
I am attempting to comprehend how LoRain knows that Natalee Holloway remains were not in that trap.

Considering Kyle Kingman states otherwise while providing backup ... I wish LoRain would do likewise.

Janet

+++++++


LoRain
Re: The Cage
« Reply #69 on: March 14, 2009, 08:11:14 pm »


I can tell you this much....Natalee was not in that cage....

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.60


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 11:49:21 AM
Good Morning all.

Janet
8:50 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 16, 2009, 11:51:32 AM

Kyle manipulated this situation from the get-go and as a result, he can also respond to the hubris he created, last I checked his bio he is a fully grown man.

Jen it's a given he would backpedal, that's a no brainer IMO. Real shame he can't be trusted but once burned, twice shy.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 11:52:53 AM
Good Morning all.

Janet
8:50 AM PT
Good Morning Janet! The sun is shining and its suppose to be 80 degrees here today.....I Love it after several days of gray gloomy skies and rain..... ::MonkeyWink:: Spring is almost Here!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 11:54:28 AM
Good Morning..
texasmom, 2NJSons_Mom, Lifesong, ksl, jen3560 and 4 Guests


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 11:56:40 AM
::MonkeyCool::

Considering Kyle Kingman's own words ... Tamikosmom's words will be John Silvetti's worst nightmare if he leads an undertaking to investigate those targets using solicited funds.

Janet
_____

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
The logs are in a safe somewhere. John and Ryan Poff (one of John's project managers) knows where it is. I can't get copies of the logs at this time. Perhaps in a few months. The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot.  I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris.


Hi jen.  I hope you had a good weekend.

Actually in "real" life ... I am a real wuss.  My words are deceiving.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 12:02:02 PM
I am attempting to comprehend how LoRain knows that Natalee Holloway remains were not in that trap.

Considering Kyle Kingman states otherwise while providing backup ... I wish LoRain would do likewise.

Janet

+++++++


LoRain
Re: The Cage
« Reply #69 on: March 14, 2009, 08:11:14 pm »


I can tell you this much....Natalee was not in that cage....

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.60


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF

JMO, she seems like a chameleon...changes her colors to fit in in any forum.  She probably doesn't know anymore (or even less) than we do; but her comments make her "fit it".  All the better to gather information and take back to BNH.   ::MonkeyWink:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 12:02:19 PM
Good Morning all.

Janet
8:50 AM PT
Good Morning Janet! The sun is shining and its suppose to be 80 degrees here today.....I Love it after several days of gray gloomy skies and rain..... ::MonkeyWink:: Spring is almost Here!

I hope so.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Yesterday ... it snowed and rained.  Then the sun peeked out for a short time prior to clouding over again.  Then we experienced strong gusty wind throughout the night.  It is drizzly out right now.

The weather is crazy.

Good Morning Hotping.  Enjoy the sun and the heat.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 12:03:25 PM
Good Morning..
texasmom, 2NJSons_Mom, Lifesong, ksl, jen3560 and 4 Guests

Good morning Hotping!

Yes, it looks like it's going to be a beautiful day here too!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 16, 2009, 12:06:33 PM
Good Morning, All!!   :smt039

I was just reading Klaas's post about the Enquiror's article re: "Natalee's Last Phone Call" that was published back in 2005. Could somebody refresh my memory, please?

Did we ever determine if that call was real? I know Natalee didn't have international calling, but I just can't remember what we concluded about that call. TIA!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 12:08:01 PM
I am attempting to comprehend how LoRain knows that Natalee Holloway remains were not in that trap.

Considering Kyle Kingman states otherwise while providing backup ... I wish LoRain would do likewise.

Janet

+++++++


LoRain
Re: The Cage
« Reply #69 on: March 14, 2009, 08:11:14 pm »


I can tell you this much....Natalee was not in that cage....

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.60


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF

JMO, she seems like a chameleon...changes her colors to fit in in any forum.  She probably doesn't know anymore (or even less) than we do; but her comments make her "fit it".  All the better to gather information and take back to BNH.   ::MonkeyWink:: 

I feel like I have entered the twilight zone when I read the posts on the "cage" thread at GM.  John Silvetti is upheld and ... Kyle Kingsman's words are disregarded ... not undermined.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Good Morning Texasmom.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 12:08:08 PM
Good Morning all.

Janet
8:50 AM PT
Good Morning Janet! The sun is shining and its suppose to be 80 degrees here today.....I Love it after several days of gray gloomy skies and rain..... ::MonkeyWink:: Spring is almost Here!

I hope so.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Yesterday ... it snowed and rained.  Then the sun peeked out for a short time prior to clouding over again.  Then we experienced strong gusty wind throughout the night.  It is drizzly out right now.

The weather is crazy.

Good Morning Hotping.  Enjoy the sun and the heat.

Janet
Thank You Janet...Hopefully Your weather will get warmer soon.....  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 16, 2009, 12:08:23 PM
Good Morning all.

Janet
8:50 AM PT
Good Morning Janet! The sun is shining and its suppose to be 80 degrees here today.....I Love it after several days of gray gloomy skies and rain..... ::MonkeyWink:: Spring is almost Here!

It's Noon here, around 45 degrees & cloudy.  Send some warm up here! 

I opened that pdf you posted with the warnings.  I didn't take a screen shot, but the article had a picture of John & Roberta with some others and an ad describing their business.  I'm running a scan, right now.    ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 12:08:53 PM
Good Morning..
texasmom, 2NJSons_Mom, Lifesong, ksl, jen3560 and 4 Guests

Good morning Hotping!

Yes, it looks like it's going to be a beautiful day here too!   ::MonkeyDance::
  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 12:11:47 PM
I am attempting to comprehend how LoRain knows that Natalee Holloway remains were not in that trap.

Considering Kyle Kingman states otherwise while providing backup ... I wish LoRain would do likewise.

Janet

+++++++


LoRain
Re: The Cage
« Reply #69 on: March 14, 2009, 08:11:14 pm »


I can tell you this much....Natalee was not in that cage....

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.60


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF

JMO, she seems like a chameleon...changes her colors to fit in in any forum.  She probably doesn't know anymore (or even less) than we do; but her comments make her "fit it".  All the better to gather information and take back to BNH.   ::MonkeyWink:: 
I Agree TM! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 12:12:46 PM
I am attempting to comprehend how LoRain knows that Natalee Holloway remains were not in that trap.

Considering Kyle Kingman states otherwise while providing backup ... I wish LoRain would do likewise.

Janet

+++++++


LoRain
Re: The Cage
« Reply #69 on: March 14, 2009, 08:11:14 pm »


I can tell you this much....Natalee was not in that cage....

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.60


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF

JMO, she seems like a chameleon...changes her colors to fit in in any forum.  She probably doesn't know anymore (or even less) than we do; but her comments make her "fit it".  All the better to gather information and take back to BNH.   ::MonkeyWink:: 

I feel like I have entered the twilight zone when I read the posts on the "cage" thread at GM.  John Silvetti is upheld and ... Kyle Kingsman's words are disregarded ... not undermined.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Good Morning Texasmom.

Janet

I think when you go over there, you ARE stepping into the twilight zone Janet. 

Lots of declarations, no details, no backup....not a good place for Tamikosmom to be!  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 12:14:05 PM
Good Morning all.

Janet
8:50 AM PT
Good Morning Janet! The sun is shining and its suppose to be 80 degrees here today.....I Love it after several days of gray gloomy skies and rain..... ::MonkeyWink:: Spring is almost Here!

It's Noon here, around 45 degrees & cloudy.  Send some warm up here! 

I opened that pdf you posted with the warnings.  I didn't take a screen shot, but the article had a picture of John & Roberta with some others and an ad describing their business.  I'm running a scan, right now.    ::MonkeyWink::


You are brave 2Nj every website for Sonavision had that warning....I wasn't about to go there.....Thanks....  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 12:15:01 PM
I am attempting to comprehend how LoRain knows that Natalee Holloway remains were not in that trap.

Considering Kyle Kingman states otherwise while providing backup ... I wish LoRain would do likewise.

Janet

+++++++


LoRain
Re: The Cage
« Reply #69 on: March 14, 2009, 08:11:14 pm »


I can tell you this much....Natalee was not in that cage....

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.60


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF

JMO, she seems like a chameleon...changes her colors to fit in in any forum.  She probably doesn't know anymore (or even less) than we do; but her comments make her "fit it".  All the better to gather information and take back to BNH.   ::MonkeyWink:: 

I feel like I have entered the twilight zone when I read the posts on the "cage" thread at GM.  John Silvetti is upheld and ... Kyle Kingsman's words are disregarded ... not undermined.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Good Morning Texasmom.

Janet

I think when you go over there, you ARE stepping into the twilight zone Janet. 

Lots of declarations, no details, no backup....not a good place for Tamikosmom to be!  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Edit to add:  Good morning Janet!    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 16, 2009, 12:19:48 PM
Good Morning, All!!   :smt039

I was just reading Klaas's post about the Enquiror's article re: "Natalee's Last Phone Call" that was published back in 2005. Could somebody refresh my memory, please?

Did we ever determine if that call was real? I know Natalee didn't have international calling, but I just can't remember what we concluded about that call. TIA!


AH HEM!!!

1. Yes, it happened just as the article states.
2. No, it was never confirmed.
3. I have no idea, but Good Morning to you, too, CBB!

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 12:21:18 PM
Good Morning all.

Janet
8:50 AM PT
Good Morning Janet! The sun is shining and its suppose to be 80 degrees here today.....I Love it after several days of gray gloomy skies and rain..... ::MonkeyWink:: Spring is almost Here!

It's Noon here, around 45 degrees & cloudy.  Send some warm up here! 

I opened that pdf you posted with the warnings.  I didn't take a screen shot, but the article had a picture of John & Roberta with some others and an ad describing their business.  I'm running a scan, right now.    ::MonkeyWink::


This is what he warning says about Sonavision Uk

Advisory provided by 
Safe Browsing
Diagnostic page for sonavision.co.uk
What is the current listing status for sonavision.co.uk?

Site is listed as suspicious - visiting this web site may harm your computer.

Part of this site was listed for suspicious activity 1 time(s) over the past 90 days.

What happened when Google visited this site?

Of the 5 pages we tested on the site over the past 90 days, 3 page(s) resulted in malicious software being downloaded and installed without user consent. The last time Google visited this site was on 2009-03-03, and the last time suspicious content was found on this site was on 2009-03-03.
Malicious software includes 3 trojan(s). Successful infection resulted in an average of 0 new processes on the target machine.

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Updated 4 hours ago


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 12:24:08 PM
Good Morning, All!!   :smt039

I was just reading Klaas's post about the Enquiror's article re: "Natalee's Last Phone Call" that was published back in 2005. Could somebody refresh my memory, please?

Did we ever determine if that call was real? I know Natalee didn't have international calling, but I just can't remember what we concluded about that call. TIA!

Good Morning CBB

The following are quotes from family members in regards to "the call" topic.

Janet
______


Jug Twitty
Monkey Questionaire
January 29, 2008


1) The phone call Charles Croes listened to on William's voice mail that first night, was that found to be a misscall having nothing to do with the case?

Jug: yes

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg333731#msg333731


Beth Twitty
Birmingham Meeting/Questions and Answers (Debbie/BFN)
October 28, 2006


15. Did Natalee make any phone calls that night?

There was a strange call to a friend of hers (William) but there is no evidence that it was from Natalee. The message was on his Cell phone and he retreived it on the airplane on the way home.


Private Eye (Monkey)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #714 1/20 -
« Reply #860 on: January 25, 2008, 09:50:00 PM


There was 1 phone call made that originally was thought to be significant because of the date only it was actually from the night before. The phone call was to a boy in Birmingham and she might have left a message for the boy, but it was not the night of the incident but the night before.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2532.msg332173#msg332173


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 12:26:27 PM
Good Morning, All!!   :smt039

I was just reading Klaas's post about the Enquiror's article re: "Natalee's Last Phone Call" that was published back in 2005. Could somebody refresh my memory, please?

Did we ever determine if that call was real? I know Natalee didn't have international calling, but I just can't remember what we concluded about that call. TIA!

I hesitate to answer CBB, I probably need a refresher too. 

I wondered if it was the call that a monkey could be heard in the background.  I don't think that would place her in a car traveling at the time...but who knows? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 16, 2009, 12:28:03 PM
Good Morning, All!!   :smt039

I was just reading Klaas's post about the Enquiror's article re: "Natalee's Last Phone Call" that was published back in 2005. Could somebody refresh my memory, please?

Did we ever determine if that call was real? I know Natalee didn't have international calling, but I just can't remember what we concluded about that call. TIA!

Good Morning CBB

The following are quotes from family members in regards to "the call" topic.

Janet
______


Jug Twitty
Monkey Questionaire
January 29, 2008


1) The phone call Charles Croes listened to on William's voice mail that first night, was that found to be a misscall having nothing to do with the case?

Jug: yes

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg333731#msg333731


Beth Twitty
Birmingham Meeting/Questions and Answers (Debbie/BFN)
October 28, 2006


15. Did Natalee make any phone calls that night?

There was a strange call to a friend of hers (William) but there is no evidence that it was from Natalee. The message was on his Cell phone and he retreived it on the airplane on the way home.


Private Eye (Monkey)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #714 1/20 -
« Reply #860 on: January 25, 2008, 09:50:00 PM


There was 1 phone call made that originally was thought to be significant because of the date only it was actually from the night before. The phone call was to a boy in Birmingham and she might have left a message for the boy, but it was not the night of the incident but the night before.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2532.msg332173#msg332173

Thank you Janet! You didn't have to go to all that trouble to reference it................  I'd trust you and ducky anywhere, anytime!

But Thank you so much! I was developing a complex!    ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Mere on March 16, 2009, 12:28:15 PM
Good Morning, All!!   :smt039

I was just reading Klaas's post about the Enquiror's article re: "Natalee's Last Phone Call" that was published back in 2005. Could somebody refresh my memory, please?

Did we ever determine if that call was real? I know Natalee didn't have international calling, but I just can't remember what we concluded about that call. TIA!


AH HEM!!!

1. Yes, it happened just as the article states.
2. No, it was never confirmed.
3. I have no idea, but Good Morning to you, too, CBB!

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyWink::

                                    3 CBB    ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 12:30:05 PM
Good Morning, All!!   :smt039

I was just reading Klaas's post about the Enquiror's article re: "Natalee's Last Phone Call" that was published back in 2005. Could somebody refresh my memory, please?

Did we ever determine if that call was real? I know Natalee didn't have international calling, but I just can't remember what we concluded about that call. TIA!


AH HEM!!!

1. Yes, it happened just as the article states.
2. No, it was never confirmed.
3. I have no idea, but Good Morning to you, too, CBB!

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyWink::

I was trying to answer!   ::MonkeyWaa::

I just had to think about it, I've only had 1 and a half cups of coffee!  Trying to reach that far back in memory was very foggy, so I had to change my response about 10 times!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good morning CBB!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 16, 2009, 12:32:09 PM
Good Morning, All!!   :smt039

I was just reading Klaas's post about the Enquiror's article re: "Natalee's Last Phone Call" that was published back in 2005. Could somebody refresh my memory, please?

Did we ever determine if that call was real? I know Natalee didn't have international calling, but I just can't remember what we concluded about that call. TIA!

I hesitate to answer CBB, I probably need a refresher too. 

I wondered if it was the call that a monkey could be heard in the background.  I don't think that would place her in a car traveling at the time...but who knows? 

Yeah, I think that's why I couldn't remember a definitive answer. I remember all the discussion about it, and some posters continued for a long time to believe it was real, but I never saw anything that confirmed it.

I was just checking to see if I had missed anything beyond that. Thanks, texasmom!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 16, 2009, 12:34:21 PM
Good Morning, All!!   :smt039

I was just reading Klaas's post about the Enquiror's article re: "Natalee's Last Phone Call" that was published back in 2005. Could somebody refresh my memory, please?

Did we ever determine if that call was real? I know Natalee didn't have international calling, but I just can't remember what we concluded about that call. TIA!


AH HEM!!!

1. Yes, it happened just as the article states.
2. No, it was never confirmed.
3. I have no idea, but Good Morning to you, too, CBB!

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyWink::

                                    3 CBB    ::MonkeyDance::

Hi Mere!! Wow, I'm feeling the love!!!   ::MonkeyDance::

( we need to copy these posts to instruct new members how to get a response. Don't be offended, just be pushy! )   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 12:36:05 PM
Good Morning, All!!   :smt039

I was just reading Klaas's post about the Enquiror's article re: "Natalee's Last Phone Call" that was published back in 2005. Could somebody refresh my memory, please?

Did we ever determine if that call was real? I know Natalee didn't have international calling, but I just can't remember what we concluded about that call. TIA!


AH HEM!!!

1. Yes, it happened just as the article states.
2. No, it was never confirmed.
3. I have no idea, but Good Morning to you, too, CBB!

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyWink::

                                    3 CBB    ::MonkeyDance::

Hi Mere!! Wow, I'm feeling the love!!!   ::MonkeyDance::

( we need to copy these posts to instruct new members how to get a response. Don't be offended, just be pushy! )   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 12:37:05 PM
Good Morning CBB!  ::MonkeyDance:: Spring is in the Air!  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 12:38:03 PM
Good Morning, All!!   :smt039

I was just reading Klaas's post about the Enquiror's article re: "Natalee's Last Phone Call" that was published back in 2005. Could somebody refresh my memory, please?

Did we ever determine if that call was real? I know Natalee didn't have international calling, but I just can't remember what we concluded about that call. TIA!


AH HEM!!!

1. Yes, it happened just as the article states.
2. No, it was never confirmed.
3. I have no idea, but Good Morning to you, too, CBB!

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyWink::

                                    3 CBB    ::MonkeyDance::

Hi Mere!! Wow, I'm feeling the love!!!   ::MonkeyDance::

( we need to copy these posts to instruct new members how to get a response. Don't be offended, just be pushy! )   ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 12:42:31 PM
http://www.diarioaruba.com/diasabra/noticia/news3.html

3/14/2009 Diario

Papiamentu translation:

intencion is for expande cu one refineria at aruba also?
 
petrochina is bay construi one refineria at venezuela

oranjestad (aan): in the week here, we owing to achieve confirmacion cu petrochina is one of the two companianan cu is interesa in valero here at aruba. seems cu the giant asiatico is esun cu is profila because; the proximo owner of the refineria at aruba. they owing to visit we island in two occasion y all cos is show cu one of three visit at is caminda. now, seems cu petrochina his ambicion is more big for thing is the region here of caribe y suramerica. have indicacion confirma for ehecutivonan of rango high of the compania, cu petrochina will construi one refineria at venezuela at 2009. seems cu this is for her mature cu the productor of petroleum chinese wanted avanza in the his plan for procesa more crudo venezolano. according informenan, the compania more big of petroleum y gas of china owing to obtene aprobacion of the gobierno of hugo chavez for construi one refineria at the provincia of guanglong (zuid) for her procesamento of crudo pisa of venezuela cu one capacidad of more of 200 thousand sweep for day (bpd). the participacion of petrochina in the proyecto here conhuntamente cu venezuela, will is of 51 porciento. venezuela y the company matriz corporacion nacional of petroleum of china (cnpc) will is the unique accionistanan in the empresa cu they owing to uni. cnpc y pdvsa owing to company one acuerdo preliminar year happen for her construccion of one refineria at china cu capacidad for procesa 400 thousand bpd of petroleum pisa of orinoco. according estadisticanan of customs chinese, actualmente the country asiatico is ricibi one promedio of 130 thousand sweep of crudo venezolano for day or less of 4 porciento of the importacion overall of the petroleum of the country. informenan is show also cu in the first mitad of year 2009, will implementa one acuerdo of suministro of gas natural licua cu exxon mobil. have to agrega also cu the agencia reuters owing to give of conoce cu exxon mobil owing to acorda the throw at petrochina of 2 miyon ton of gas natural for year during 20 for 25 year of the proyecto australiano gorgon. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 16, 2009, 12:43:38 PM
Good Morning CBB!  ::MonkeyDance:: Spring is in the Air!  ::cartwheel::

Hi Hotping!  I know! I've got daffy's blooming, and the forsythia and pear trees are in bloom......... redbud's are showing a little color, too!!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 12:53:24 PM
Good Morning CBB!  ::MonkeyDance:: Spring is in the Air!  ::cartwheel::

Hi Hotping!  I know! I've got daffy's blooming, and the forsythia and pear trees are in bloom......... redbud's are showing a little color, too!!  ::MonkeyDance::
WOW! Lots of Color....My Azaleas will not bloom until April...I can't wait...They will Be Gorgeous...I Hope...... ::MonkeyDance:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 12:54:58 PM
http://www.diarioaruba.com/diasabra/noticia/news3.html

3/14/2009 Diario

Papiamentu translation:

intencion is for expande cu one refineria at aruba also?
 
petrochina is bay construi one refineria at venezuela

oranjestad (aan): in the week here, we owing to achieve confirmacion cu petrochina is one of the two companianan cu is interesa in valero here at aruba. seems cu the giant asiatico is esun cu is profila because; the proximo owner of the refineria at aruba. they owing to visit we island in two occasion y all cos is show cu one of three visit at is caminda. now, seems cu petrochina his ambicion is more big for thing is the region here of caribe y suramerica. have indicacion confirma for ehecutivonan of rango high of the compania, cu petrochina will construi one refineria at venezuela at 2009. seems cu this is for her mature cu the productor of petroleum chinese wanted avanza in the his plan for procesa more crudo venezolano. according informenan, the compania more big of petroleum y gas of china owing to obtene aprobacion of the gobierno of hugo chavez for construi one refineria at the provincia of guanglong (zuid) for her procesamento of crudo pisa of venezuela cu one capacidad of more of 200 thousand sweep for day (bpd). the participacion of petrochina in the proyecto here conhuntamente cu venezuela, will is of 51 porciento. venezuela y the company matriz corporacion nacional of petroleum of china (cnpc) will is the unique accionistanan in the empresa cu they owing to uni. cnpc y pdvsa owing to company one acuerdo preliminar year happen for her construccion of one refineria at china cu capacidad for procesa 400 thousand bpd of petroleum pisa of orinoco. according estadisticanan of customs chinese, actualmente the country asiatico is ricibi one promedio of 130 thousand sweep of crudo venezolano for day or less of 4 porciento of the importacion overall of the petroleum of the country. informenan is show also cu in the first mitad of year 2009, will implementa one acuerdo of suministro of gas natural licua cu exxon mobil. have to agrega also cu the agencia reuters owing to give of conoce cu exxon mobil owing to acorda the throw at petrochina of 2 miyon ton of gas natural for year during 20 for 25 year of the proyecto australiano gorgon. come across
Thanks TM.....  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 12:57:25 PM
Too much Chat n Grumbling will turn you from this....

http://tinyurl.com/cm3hh3


To this.....
   ::MonkeyShocked::

http://tinyurl.com/c436gy


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/kermitdance.gif)

http://i41.tinypic.com/j0iv0g.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/aooylt.jpg
hotshot aka Carolina



http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m103/SusanESmith/KTFKermit.jpg
JuliaRenfro aka SS aka SES real name shows in her photobucket


Mrs.Red = Destiny








Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 01:03:52 PM
Hey Kermit....Good Morning/Afternoon!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 01:04:32 PM
I am attempting to comprehend how LoRain knows that Natalee Holloway remains were not in that trap.

Considering Kyle Kingman states otherwise while providing backup ... I wish LoRain would do likewise.

Janet

+++++++


LoRain
Re: The Cage
« Reply #69 on: March 14, 2009, 08:11:14 pm »


I can tell you this much....Natalee was not in that cage....

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.60


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF

JMO, she seems like a chameleon...changes her colors to fit in in any forum.  She probably doesn't know anymore (or even less) than we do; but her comments make her "fit it".  All the better to gather information and take back to BNH.   ::MonkeyWink:: 


Hello all,
I am LoRain and I am surprized I'm posting about myself...I had to withdraw from a Prescription called Paxil this summer, it was not fun and I would recommend not taking it...now I am on another medication that gives me about a dozen hot flashes a day...and this is a real pain in the butt...it's been an interesting summer for me to say the least.  I am not close to anyone anywhere, I don't know anymore if this is a good or bad thing.  I have a crippled cat that keeps me busy all the time...I'm an unemployed house painter at the time...I hate and am tired of all the wars going on...ready for world peace...and I am more than ready for Natalee to come home........


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 01:05:20 PM
Hey Kermit....Good Morning/Afternoon!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY
I know it's belated, but it's still YOUR WEEK! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 01:07:14 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/kermitdance.gif)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/kermitdance.gif)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/kermitdance.gif)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/kermitdance.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 01:07:48 PM
Hey Kermit....Good Morning/Afternoon!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY
I know it's belated, but it's still YOUR WEEK! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
Thank You Very Much!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 01:15:57 PM
Hey 2NJ....I was wondering if You were allright after entering that Sonavision Site....Do You think it is safe to go there?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 01:17:19 PM
Part of ldstlou's post at GM.  My thoughts in red:

Kyle told me that if there had been evidence in the cage that was related to Natalee, then Dateline would not have been able to show the footage because it would have been evidence in an ongoing investigation. When the divers came up after the Dec 30th dive with the thumbs down sign, there was an agent from Quantico on the boat. Someone from Dateline had asked the agent if there was any evidence related to Natalee and the Quantico agent then told him no which gave Dateline legally, the right to use the footage in their show. So it was the Quantico agent who said there was no evidence in the cage related to Natalee. If there had been evidence related to Natalee's case, Dateline would NOT have been able to show it. (Really?? the Quantico agent could tell right away WITHOUT TESTING that nothing in the cage pertained to Natalee or Joran?  BS, pure BS and you can't possibly believe this))

Next Kyle told me, that indeed Schaefer had planned on doing a documentary on the search. When they found out that Dateline was going to air the footage before they had a chance to sell their documentary, they contacted the FBI to try and get it stopped. I believe that the FBI then called Dateline and said they could not show all of the footage of the dive. This is my understanding of what happened after talking to Kyle. ((Again, I call BS.  Dateline was part of the search from the very beginning starting with shots taken at the dock in LA.  You trying to tell me that Dateline pulled a fast one on all of them?))

I just am not one who believes in a conspiracy theory or any wrong doing in Schaefer wanting to do a documentary of the search for Natalee. They were usurped by Dateline who originally was doing a show on Tim and TES, but who changed the theme of their show to the Persistence and the search before they had a buyer for their own documentary. I also don't believe Schaefer would have made a "lot of money" on the documentary, I believe he was trying to recoup some of the money he had put into the search.

Logic dictates, that IF they had found Natalee in the cage, THEN they certainly would have made a lot of money selling the footage. What is the point in hiding the fact that they found Natalee...there is none!!!  ((There is no logic dictating what you post, only emotion))

I'll likely have more to say after I wake up  ::MonkeyCool::



MOVIE DEALS:

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #736 2/27 -
« Reply #544 on: February 29, 2008, 03:28:32 AM »

This is a very good idea.  We've been working on that for a couple weeks.  I've personally been handling the matter while I was on the east coast last week.  Unfortunately, the Dateline story aired along with Greta and scooped up the remainder of what the press felt was immediately worth reporting on.  I can't blame them.  It's business.  Definitely shot that down though.  Move on.  Deal with it. Stay the course.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.540

Kyle: I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Mere on March 16, 2009, 01:21:38 PM
Kermit....I understand everything except the photobucket information.....

First....it goes to the front page of photobucket....not to any pictures....
then the url you gave has susanesmith....SES or SS....also julia renfro (omg)....is this true?

....and what about ktfkermit.....are you both the same person?   or am I just too old
to stay on internet forums any longer....lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 01:25:09 PM
Idstlou said: “They were working with two FBI agents from Barbados. The footage was turned over to them.”http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.560

Idstlou said: ”The footage WAS turned over to the FBI immediately.”http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.500

Idstlou said: “I know that there were members of Quantico on board. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.580

Reply #619 on: January 02, 2009, 10:17:09 PM   ldstlou
I have had all my questions answered by Jug and Kyle
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg610004#msg610004

BUT that is not what JUG said:

LEAK said: "This comment was made by Jug during a recent phone conversation:
All of the stuff that Kermit posted
FBI did not know about it..."

"Klye:  I did not give the information to the FBI and I'm unaware of anyone relaying the possibility to them.
pg 39http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.760
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=0d60426042cdd31e8b5d5ceff17bdaca;topic=4675.new#new


Kyle said: The logs are in a safe somewhere. John and Ryan Poff (one of John's project managers) knows where it is. I can't get copies of the logs at this time. Perhaps in a few months. The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot. I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris.


Kyle said: #732 on: March 18, 2008, 11:47:36 AM
 Tim Miller, Tim Trahan, Dateline and all comments in the Dateline special are pertaining to information available as of the Dec-30th dive, which was visual inspection only.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 01:28:55 PM
Kermit....I understand everything except the photobucket information.....

First....it goes to the front page of photobucket....not to any pictures....
then the url you gave has susanesmith....SES or SS....also julia renfro (omg)....is this true?

....and what about ktfkermit.....are you both the same person?   or am I just too old
to stay on internet forums any longer....lol

When SS posted the photos at Chat and Grumble she used her photobucket account with her real name on it. You can see her real name in the link. She uses the nic SES at Chat and Grumble and the nic Julia Renfro to maliciously slander kermit and also KFT and Janet and Rob.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Edward on March 16, 2009, 01:30:13 PM
Kermit posted..
I'll likely have more to say after I wake up 



==============================================================

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by itslef but the wrod as a wlohe.

============================================================

Kermit
You are very good at intuitive reading...  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 16, 2009, 01:33:14 PM

<<snipped>>


Mrs.Red = Destiny








 ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyEek::

No.  No, no, no, no, no, no, no....no.

I don't understand. 

This can't be?

 ::MonkeyWaa::

 ::MonkeyWaa::   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Mere on March 16, 2009, 01:33:29 PM
Kermit....I understand everything except the photobucket information.....

First....it goes to the front page of photobucket....not to any pictures....
then the url you gave has susanesmith....SES or SS....also julia renfro (omg)....is this true?

....and what about ktfkermit.....are you both the same person?   or am I just too old
to stay on internet forums any longer....lol

When SS posted the photos at Chat and Grumble she used her photobucket account with her real name on it. You can see her real name in the link. She uses the nic SES at Chat and Grumble and the nic Julia Renfro to maliciously slander kermit and also KFT and Janet and Rob.



Thank you.....I understand....not the name I would have chosen....  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Sam on March 16, 2009, 01:33:55 PM
Kermit....I understand everything except the photobucket information.....

First....it goes to the front page of photobucket....not to any pictures....
then the url you gave has susanesmith....SES or SS....also julia renfro (omg)....is this true?

....and what about ktfkermit.....are you both the same person?   or am I just too old
to stay on internet forums any longer....lol

Mere, I am not sure but I believe Kermit was being deliberately rude to SS. Just as a few post earlier he was being rude to LoRain.  and next Idstlou. Now maybe he/she was paying Destiny a compliment saying she equaled Mrs Red. Not sure on that one. I hate that SM keeps trying to run folks off. I also thought this forum was about Natalee but that seems to be getting lost in forum wars.

Janet, I also do not believe Natalee was in that cage. It is an opinion. I have no proof.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 16, 2009, 01:38:18 PM
Kermit posted..
I'll likely have more to say after I wake up 



==============================================================

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by itslef but the wrod as a wlohe.

============================================================

Kermit
You are very good at intuitive reading...  ::MonkeyWink::


Edward,

Klaasend made that statement and Kermit quoted her.  I'm sure both will accept your compliment, though.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 16, 2009, 01:38:52 PM
Kermit....I understand everything except the photobucket information.....

First....it goes to the front page of photobucket....not to any pictures....
then the url you gave has susanesmith....SES or SS....also julia renfro (omg)....is this true?

....and what about ktfkermit.....are you both the same person?   or am I just too old
to stay on internet forums any longer....lol

Mere, I am not sure but I believe Kermit was being deliberately rude to SS. Just as a few post earlier he was being rude to LoRain.  and next Idstlou. Now maybe he/she was paying Destiny a compliment saying she equaled Mrs Red. Not sure on that one. I hate that SM keeps trying to run folks off. I also thought this forum was about Natalee but that seems to be getting lost in forum wars.

Janet, I also do not believe Natalee was in that cage. It is an opinion. I have no proof.



Sam - I'm curious, who do you think it was?




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Mere on March 16, 2009, 01:42:07 PM
Sam....I think that kermit was responding to information Klaas gave us yesterday.
Apparently you can go to chatandgrumble and there is/was a open page with some  information available to anyone who went there.  This was negative information.
Perhaps you should read what was said.....not nice.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 01:45:13 PM
Kermit posted..
I'll likely have more to say after I wake up 



==============================================================

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by itslef but the wrod as a wlohe.

============================================================

Kermit
You are very good at intuitive reading...  ::MonkeyWink::


  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 16, 2009, 01:46:02 PM
Hotping,

I typed a reply to yours regarding the sonavision site, but I must have back spaced before hitting post, because it's not here. 

Anyway, I did not go to the sonavision site, which was the first link you gave.  I open the second link which opened the pdf file with John & Roberta Silveitt's picture, etc. 

I do not have the bells & whistles some of you have and cannot say whether the sonavision site is safe.  Virus scans have occasionally found trojans on this pc, but hubby usually gets blamed because he clicks on anything!!!!! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 01:48:06 PM
Kermit....I understand everything except the photobucket information.....

First....it goes to the front page of photobucket....not to any pictures....
then the url you gave has susanesmith....SES or SS....also julia renfro (omg)....is this true?

....and what about ktfkermit.....are you both the same person?   or am I just too old
to stay on internet forums any longer....lol

Mere, I am not sure but I believe Kermit was being deliberately rude to SS. Just as a few post earlier he was being rude to LoRain.  and next Idstlou. Now maybe he/she was paying Destiny a compliment saying she equaled Mrs Red. Not sure on that one. I hate that SM keeps trying to run folks off. I also thought this forum was about Natalee but that seems to be getting lost in forum wars.

Janet, I also do not believe Natalee was in that cage. It is an opinion. I have no proof.

Incorrect Sam.

Klassend posted photos that Chat and Grumble people were/are posting.

I merely had the observation to click on the link and it exposed that SS is using the nic SES and Julia Renfro at Chat and Grumble.


I did not write that paragraph about LoRain - she wrote it a long time ago. I just happened to have copied/saved it and I posted it.

I merely posted what Istlou stated on this forum. AND I BACKED IT UP with what JUG actually said and what Kyle stated.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 01:48:56 PM

<<snipped>>


Mrs.Red = Destiny








 ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyEek::

No.  No, no, no, no, no, no, no....no.

I don't understand. 

This can't be?

 ::MonkeyWaa::

 ::MonkeyWaa::   ::MonkeyWaa::

At Chat and Grumble she has created a new nic for herself.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Sam on March 16, 2009, 01:49:12 PM






Sam - I'm curious, who do you think it was?





Lifesong I do not think there was a body in that cage. I think it was just like all the other illusions we have seen the last few years. Again just a personal opinion.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 01:51:23 PM
(http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8567/goldmonkeylorain.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 01:52:28 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 01:55:15 PM
Kermit....I understand everything except the photobucket information.....

First....it goes to the front page of photobucket....not to any pictures....
then the url you gave has susanesmith....SES or SS....also julia renfro (omg)....is this true?

....and what about ktfkermit.....are you both the same person?   or am I just too old
to stay on internet forums any longer....lol

Mere, I am not sure but I believe Kermit was being deliberately rude to SS. Just as a few post earlier he was being rude to LoRain.  and next Idstlou. Now maybe he/she was paying Destiny a compliment saying she equaled Mrs Red. Not sure on that one. I hate that SM keeps trying to run folks off. I also thought this forum was about Natalee but that seems to be getting lost in forum wars.

Janet, I also do not believe Natalee was in that cage. It is an opinion. I have no proof.


(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5074/ssakasesatcngfrogthread.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 01:56:02 PM
Kermit....I understand everything except the photobucket information.....

First....it goes to the front page of photobucket....not to any pictures....
then the url you gave has susanesmith....SES or SS....also julia renfro (omg)....is this true?

....and what about ktfkermit.....are you both the same person?   or am I just too old
to stay on internet forums any longer....lol

Mere, I am not sure but I believe Kermit was being deliberately rude to SS. Just as a few post earlier he was being rude to LoRain.  and next Idstlou. Now maybe he/she was paying Destiny a compliment saying she equaled Mrs Red. Not sure on that one. I hate that SM keeps trying to run folks off. I also thought this forum was about Natalee but that seems to be getting lost in forum wars.

Janet, I also do not believe Natalee was in that cage. It is an opinion. I have no proof.

JMO, Kermit was only responding to the rude, insulting, and defamatory OPEN thread (Note: the only OPEN thread at that site) that Chat n Grumble posters have compiled masking themselves with other screen names.  Kermit is not the only one being bashed there.  The poster..SS aka SES aka JuliaRenfro has also insulted Tamikosmom, Magnolia, KeepTheFaith and in one post SM period.  She did all of this by posting pictures from a photobucket with her name in it!  And she has the nerve to imply that someone/anyone else doesn't have a brain?

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

There is also a derogatory post there about Mrs. Red....Kermit is stating that Destiny is behind that one.

Not surprised.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 16, 2009, 01:56:27 PM
Sam....I think that kermit was responding to information Klaas gave us yesterday.
Apparently you can go to chatandgrumble and there is/was a open page with some  information available to anyone who went there.  This was negative information.
Perhaps you should read what was said.....not nice.


Sam, I'm not sure I understand.  Are you saying it's OK for them to post lies about posters here, stalk our children and even post lies about them, smear, bash and trash and we shouldn't ever respond?

The premise has always been attack the post and not the poster.  Seems some can't do that and think they should have been allowed to attack other posters because they don't like what they posted.  SM has never operated like that.

All that is asked is that the poster provide sources/links/some sort of credible back up for claims made about the posts of others.  Personal information should never enter into the discussion.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Sam on March 16, 2009, 01:56:51 PM
Kermit, are you saying Destiny is posting at C and G as Mrs Red or Mrs Red is posting as Destiny? I am confused.

I do not post there but I do have friends who do so although I find this interesting I still think most of the forums are looking for Justice for Natalee and her family.  JMHO

Sam


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 16, 2009, 01:57:25 PM

<<snipped>>


Mrs.Red = Destiny








 ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyEek::

No.  No, no, no, no, no, no, no....no.

I don't understand. 

This can't be?

 ::MonkeyWaa::

 ::MonkeyWaa::   ::MonkeyWaa::

Are you saying Destiny is using "Mrs Red" as her nic or that Mrs Red IS Destiny?

Also I would like that link to their website.  Thanks.

Blue Moom


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 16, 2009, 01:58:33 PM

Sam - I'm curious, who do you think it was?



Lifesong I do not think there was a body in that cage. I think it was just like all the other illusions we have seen the last few years. Again just a personal opinion.


I respect your opinion, Sam.  I just don't understand it. 


(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2149/2345841784_52614dbecb_o.jpg)

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 01:58:51 PM
Who was it that accused Klassend of posting emails? Well, here is proof that Mrskub posted her own email all by herself

(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/963/mrskuppostsheremailatsm.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 02:04:58 PM

<<snipped>>


Mrs.Red = Destiny








 ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyEek::

No.  No, no, no, no, no, no, no....no.

I don't understand. 

This can't be?

 ::MonkeyWaa::

 ::MonkeyWaa::   ::MonkeyWaa::

Are you saying Destiny is using "Mrs Red" as her nic or that Mrs Red IS Destiny?

Also I would like that link to their website.  Thanks.

Blue Moom


(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/751/cngdestinypostingasmrsr.png)
Destiny uses the nic MrsRed at Chat and Grumble.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Sam on March 16, 2009, 02:06:17 PM
Kermit....I understand everything except the photobucket information.....

First....it goes to the front page of photobucket....not to any pictures....
then the url you gave has susanesmith....SES or SS....also julia renfro (omg)....is this true?

....and what about ktfkermit.....are you both the same person?   or am I just too old
to stay on internet forums any longer....lol

Mere, I am not sure but I believe Kermit was being deliberately rude to SS. Just as a few post earlier he was being rude to LoRain.  and next Idstlou. Now maybe he/she was paying Destiny a compliment saying she equaled Mrs Red. Not sure on that one. I hate that SM keeps trying to run folks off. I also thought this forum was about Natalee but that seems to be getting lost in forum wars.

Janet, I also do not believe Natalee was in that cage. It is an opinion. I have no proof.

JMO, Kermit was only responding to the rude, insulting, and defamatory OPEN thread (Note: the only OPEN thread at that site) that Chat n Grumble posters have compiled masking themselves with other screen names.  Kermit is not the only one being bashed there.  The poster..SS aka SES aka JuliaRenfro has also insulted Tamikosmom, Magnolia, KeepTheFaith and in one post SM period.  She did all of this by posting pictures from a photobucket with her name in it!  And she has the nerve to imply that someone/anyone else doesn't have a brain?

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

There is also a derogatory post there about Mrs. Red....Kermit is stating that Destiny is behind that one.

Not surprised.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Texas Mom thank you for responding to me in a way I can understand.
I have never been to C and G so had no idea there was an open page. Or that folks would be posing as other posters. How in the world would you ever keep track? I am lucky to remember my own name some days.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 02:08:30 PM
(http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/5074/ssakasesatcngfrogthread.jpg)
SES is SS is Julia Renfro real name posted in her photo bucket link posting at Chat and Grumble


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 16, 2009, 02:11:43 PM
Gee - I sure hope the real Julia Renfro doesn't take offense to this poster using her real life name in such a manner.


 ::MonkeyCool::

I mean - we all saw just how fast she trotted herself down to the Prosecutor's office when Daniel and Kelly accused her of helping to abscond with Natalee.

I wonder how long the next trip will take her?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 16, 2009, 02:12:45 PM
Kermit....I understand everything except the photobucket information.....

First....it goes to the front page of photobucket....not to any pictures....
then the url you gave has susanesmith....SES or SS....also julia renfro (omg)....is this true?

....and what about ktfkermit.....are you both the same person?   or am I just too old
to stay on internet forums any longer....lol

Mere, I am not sure but I believe Kermit was being deliberately rude to SS. Just as a few post earlier he was being rude to LoRain.  and next Idstlou. Now maybe he/she was paying Destiny a compliment saying she equaled Mrs Red. Not sure on that one. I hate that SM keeps trying to run folks off. I also thought this forum was about Natalee but that seems to be getting lost in forum wars.

Janet, I also do not believe Natalee was in that cage. It is an opinion. I have no proof.

JMO, Kermit was only responding to the rude, insulting, and defamatory OPEN thread (Note: the only OPEN thread at that site) that Chat n Grumble posters have compiled masking themselves with other screen names.  Kermit is not the only one being bashed there.  The poster..SS aka SES aka JuliaRenfro has also insulted Tamikosmom, Magnolia, KeepTheFaith and in one post SM period.  She did all of this by posting pictures from a photobucket with her name in it!  And she has the nerve to imply that someone/anyone else doesn't have a brain?

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

There is also a derogatory post there about Mrs. Red....Kermit is stating that Destiny is behind that one.

Not surprised.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Texas Mom thank you for responding to me in a way I can understand.
I have never been to C and G so had no idea there was an open page. Or that folks would be posing as other posters. How in the world would you ever keep track? I am lucky to remember my own name some days.


Certain posters specialize in certain modes of attack making it easier to ID them.  The main purpose of that forum seems to be gathering personal information on posters they do not like rather than anything about justice for Natalee Holloway. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 02:14:35 PM
(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1825/ssatgoldmonkeypostedabo.jpg)
"My posting name is my initials"


http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m103/SusanESmith/KTFKermit.jpg


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2009, 02:15:15 PM

<<snipped>>


Mrs.Red = Destiny








 ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyEek::

No.  No, no, no, no, no, no, no....no.

I don't understand. 

This can't be?

 ::MonkeyWaa::

 ::MonkeyWaa::   ::MonkeyWaa::

NOOOOOOOO

OK, ChatnGrumble registration page now has one thread that is mostly there to bash Kirmit.  People have been using different nicknames.

What Kermit is saying is the person who posted as Mrs. Red is really DESTINY.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 02:16:27 PM
Gee - I sure hope the real Julia Renfro doesn't take offense to this poster using her real life name in such a manner.


 ::MonkeyCool::

I mean - we all saw just how fast she trotted herself down to the Prosecutor's office when Daniel and Kelly accused her of helping to abscond with Natalee.

I wonder how long the next trip will take her?


(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3749/mrskubfrogthreadatcng.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Edward on March 16, 2009, 02:16:40 PM
What the heck is my name doing in the middle of that carp. ?
I do not even know where this other web site is.

It looks like THEY " The Enemy" is just trying to play the game called divide and conquer.

Just one little word to them, and everyone.
I never put myself in such situations.
Because.. I like you. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Sam on March 16, 2009, 02:17:53 PM
Ok now that I better understand what is going on I can go take my nap.

I do hope all the forum wars can stop and we can all work together in the quest for Justice for Natalee.

Oh shoot someone asked me what I saw in those pictures in the cage. I see different sea shells. We used to collect sea shells while stationed at Guantanamo and at one time I could have told you all the different ones.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 02:18:20 PM
Quote
What Kermit is saying is the person who posted as Mrs. Red is really DESTINY.

Would you happen to have the video link that was done of Chat and Grumble which shows their avatars.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 02:22:43 PM
Welcome back Blonde



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 16, 2009, 02:25:28 PM
In the middle of the Kermit bashing thread at GM there is a post stating that I am German.  Guess I'd better see my attorney about that!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 02:26:20 PM
Hotping,

I typed a reply to yours regarding the sonavision site, but I must have back spaced before hitting post, because it's not here. 

Anyway, I did not go to the sonavision site, which was the first link you gave.  I open the second link which opened the pdf file with John & Roberta Silveitt's picture, etc. 

I do not have the bells & whistles some of you have and cannot say whether the sonavision site is safe.  Virus scans have occasionally found trojans on this pc, but hubby usually gets blamed because he clicks on anything!!!!! 
Thanks 2NJ...I'm going to wait a couple of days and see if the warning is removed before I venture onto that site....  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2009, 02:26:55 PM
Quote
What Kermit is saying is the person who posted as Mrs. Red is really DESTINY.

Would you happen to have the video link that was done of Chat and Grumble which shows their avatars.




Hold on

This one?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/CnG/th_0621cd0b.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/CnG/?action=view&current=0621cd0b.pbr)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 02:27:09 PM
Kermit....I understand everything except the photobucket information.....

First....it goes to the front page of photobucket....not to any pictures....
then the url you gave has susanesmith....SES or SS....also julia renfro (omg)....is this true?

....and what about ktfkermit.....are you both the same person?   or am I just too old
to stay on internet forums any longer....lol

<snipped?

Janet, I also do not believe Natalee was in that cage. It is an opinion. I have no proof.


Sam ... proof or no proof ... when you consider Kyle Kingman's expertise in analyzing ROV images ... why do you not give any credibility to his own words ... to his own perfessional opinion?  Do you believe that Kyle Kingman is incompentent?  Do you believe that Kyle Kingman is a liar?

Maybe you could share what you your personal opinion on that Natalee Holloway's remains were not placed in that cage/trap?

The following quotes are what I base my personal opinion on that Nat Natalee Holloway's remains could have possible been placed in that cage/trap?

Thank you.

Janet

++++++


ROV ANALYSIS

The fabric - The Tarp - The vertebrae - The Skull


Kyle Kingman:  Dateline (Tim Uelinger) had an agreement with Tim Miller to 'do a story to tell about and help promote TES and give TM recognition, and perhaps a 10 minute side-line story on Natalee along with 11 other missing persons. Dateline tagged along with TM for a while pre-NH search. They (TM and Dateline) came on the Persistence between 15-Dec and 30-Dec. I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand and he said he's going to tell the parents. I said definitely not until we sample the trap and get results. He made the call to Dave and Beth independently.

Kyle Kingman:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman: We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.

Kyle Kingman: The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

Kyle Kingman: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim.

Kyle Kingman: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing. I don't know what was sampled far inside the trap if anything.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew. In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric.

Kyle Kingman: Notice the blue fabric swayed in the current.

Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening.

Kyle Kingman:  I am 100% confident other important items are at that site and can be found during processing of the site with a suction system.  The only confirmation of items sampled were blue fabric and the piece of tarp.  This is the only thing Richardson and Mos independantly confirmed.  Remember, they each only confirmed one piece.  One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp.  From the video you see both.

Kyle Kingman: The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull.

Kyle Kingman: … John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand

Kyle Kingman: I'm sorry if this is disturbing. I took the picture of Natalee standing on the beach and cropped, rotated, and scaled the image to correlate with the trap body form. Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand.

Kyle Kingman: The bag that is above the denim bag looks to me as though it contains pieces of vertebrae.

Kyle Kingman:  As of the 2nd week of Feb, this is what I had learned from the FBI: The contents of the trap were being actively investigated. The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample. Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 16, 2009, 02:29:27 PM
Hotping,

I typed a reply to yours regarding the sonavision site, but I must have back spaced before hitting post, because it's not here. 

Anyway, I did not go to the sonavision site, which was the first link you gave.  I open the second link which opened the pdf file with John & Roberta Silveitt's picture, etc. 

I do not have the bells & whistles some of you have and cannot say whether the sonavision site is safe.  Virus scans have occasionally found trojans on this pc, but hubby usually gets blamed because he clicks on anything!!!!! 
Thanks 2NJ...I'm going to wait a couple of days and see if the warning is removed before I venture onto that site....  ::MonkeyWink::


Hotping,

I went there and looked all over the PDF brochure.  I tried to highlight and copy the part about the Silvettis but being in PDF format, it wouldn't and I don't know how to copy just a section in one of those.  It didn't set off any security warnings on my computer.  I have four security softwares installed and didn't get anything unusual.  Maybe they already corrected the problem? 

The part about the Silvettis is right in the middle of the page.  Has a photo of them along with a couple of other people.  Not much new I don't think.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 16, 2009, 02:29:29 PM
For the Love of God..No one at Scared Monkey's has RAN anybody away..Posters who can't verify,and or back their posts up tend to migrate to GM,and or CNG...If you are a memeber at either sight and are aware,which i'm sure you are,of the tactics they use to distract then SHAME ON YOU!!Who will be next?? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 02:30:18 PM
KTF I was just wondering where You were and then I spotted you in the rafters..... Cat got Your Tongue...just kidding....Glad to see Ya!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 16, 2009, 02:31:08 PM
I would have thought Aruban divers would have seen seashells and hermit crabs before.  Why would they dive and bag them?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 02:31:48 PM
In the middle of the Kermit bashing thread at GM there is a post stating that I am German.  Guess I'd better see my attorney about that!

I thought that thread went "poof".  I cannot find it.

Anna ... could please provide the link.

Thank you.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 02:32:51 PM
Hotping,

I typed a reply to yours regarding the sonavision site, but I must have back spaced before hitting post, because it's not here. 

Anyway, I did not go to the sonavision site, which was the first link you gave.  I open the second link which opened the pdf file with John & Roberta Silveitt's picture, etc. 

I do not have the bells & whistles some of you have and cannot say whether the sonavision site is safe.  Virus scans have occasionally found trojans on this pc, but hubby usually gets blamed because he clicks on anything!!!!! 
Thanks 2NJ...I'm going to wait a couple of days and see if the warning is removed before I venture onto that site....  ::MonkeyWink::


Hotping,

I went there and looked all over the PDF brochure.  I tried to highlight and copy the part about the Silvettis but being in PDF format, it wouldn't and I don't know how to copy just a section in one of those.  It didn't set off any security warnings on my computer.  I have four security softwares installed and didn't get anything unusual.  Maybe they already corrected the problem? 

The part about the Silvettis is right in the middle of the page.  Has a photo of them along with a couple of other people.  Not much new I don't think.
Thank You Anna..I might venture there later but for now I will watch to see if the warnings are removed......  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 16, 2009, 02:33:59 PM
KTF I was just wondering where You were and then I spotted you in the rafters..... Cat got Your Tongue...just kidding....Glad to see Ya!  ::MonkeyCool::

I'm just about up to full energy..Just laughing at the Brassmonkey crap..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 02:36:31 PM
KTF I was just wondering where You were and then I spotted you in the rafters..... Cat got Your Tongue...just kidding....Glad to see Ya!  ::MonkeyCool::

I'm just about up to full energy..Just laughing at the Brassmonkey crap..
Great Glad You are almost back to normal You have been missed...Yep its pretty laughable!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 16, 2009, 02:37:10 PM


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4246.msg590181#msg590181
bastibro
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
« Reply #291 on: December 18, 2008, 02:07:51 PM »

"The skull was not the only thing in the cage Johan.
I found this pic very convincing(the hip socket)...I`m sure a skull would be, like Anna and Magnolia said, filled with coral, barnacles or sponges."


(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/verwant/hip_socket.jpg)



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4246.msg590244#msg590244
johan555
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
« Reply #304 on: December 18, 2008, 02:36:11 PM »

"Yes i saw also some bones on the screenshots ( on another pic )
But i have big doubts about the skull.
And if it were human remains were are they Now ?

Yes i saw also some bones on the screenshots"


(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Bone.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 02:37:40 PM
(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5074/ssakasesatcngfrogthread.jpg)

THIS IS THE TYPE OF MALICIOUS ACTIVITY SS DOES - SOMEONE WHO WORKS WITH CHILDREN

May 17, 2008, 04:11:16 PM
I am not a mole.  I have never met CAPS and I have never had a conversation with him.  I don't know anyone in Aruba and I have never set foot on the crappy island.  I am a 58 year old high school guidance counselor/school psychologist.  I am a divorced single parent with a son who is an attorney for the Justice Department in Washington, DC.  I live in New Jersey, close to NYC.  I am originally from the Philadelphia area, but I have lived all over the US and in other countries.  Is there anything else that you would like to know?  I don't know where you have come up with your information, but you are off base and out of line
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2844.msg382324#msg382324
 

The Hudson County jail is about 15 miles away from me (I am in Bergen County, which is north of Hudson County), but I don't know how I could verify anything. 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2844.msg382731#msg382731



November 16, 2008, 04:20:12 PM
Smith, Halliburton, and Hughes are top oil drilling companies in the US.  I know this for sure because of personal experience
/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.msg545029#msg545029


November 06, 2008, 10:08:08 PM   ( 58 now, 26 when lived there)
Thirty-two years ago, I lived In Isfahan, Iran for two years.  The left hand was used for toilet functions because their bathroom facilities are very different than ours are.  They don't use toilet paper
//http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3697.msg527697#msg527697


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #377 on: November 19, 2008, 08:19:19 PM »
For a long, long time I was just a lurker.  For another long time, I was posting sometimes on the front page.  I have always gone by SS, my initials.  I actually started posting on the forum last winter, but last spring and summer I was mostly in Shango.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.360

From Chat and Grumble
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m103/SusanESmith/KTFKermit.jpg


SS
 
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #968 on: November 21, 2008, 03:53:26 PM »
I lived in Iran for a few years and the Shah considered the Iranians to be Arian also.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.960
 

 
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 02:38:42 PM
KTF I was just wondering where You were and then I spotted you in the rafters..... Cat got Your Tongue...just kidding....Glad to see Ya!  ::MonkeyCool::

I'm just about up to full energy..Just laughing at the Brassmonkey crap..

Glad you're almost well KTF!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 16, 2009, 02:41:03 PM
Knowing SS real name now, this one really gets me wondering:

November 16, 2008, 04:20:12 PM

Smith, Halliburton, and Hughes are top oil drilling companies in the US.  I know this for sure because of personal experience
/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.msg545029#msg545029


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 16, 2009, 02:43:30 PM
KTF I was just wondering where You were and then I spotted you in the rafters..... Cat got Your Tongue...just kidding....Glad to see Ya!  ::MonkeyCool::

I'm just about up to full energy..Just laughing at the Brassmonkey crap..

Glad you're almost well KTF!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::



Thanx TM..I don't wish that sickness upon nobody!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 16, 2009, 02:46:47 PM
In the middle of the Kermit bashing thread at GM there is a post stating that I am German.  Guess I'd better see my attorney about that!

I thought that thread went "poof".  I cannot find it.

Anna ... could please provide the link.

Thank you.

Janet


I don't have a link, Janet, I just went there and read it one afternoon while it was rainy and I had nothing better to do.  Yes, I understand that it has since them gone "poof."  Seems when they bash and trash for a while it then gets dragged into their hidey hole.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 02:47:03 PM
What the heck is my name doing in the middle of that carp. ?
I do not even know where this other web site is.

It looks like THEY " The Enemy" is just trying to play the game called divide and conquer.

Just one little word to them, and everyone.
I never put myself in such situations.
Because.. I like you. ::MonkeyWink::

Edward ... I apologize.  You provided me the definition of SS in your history lesson last week.

It was me who impulsively used that definition to further MY OWN PURPOSE.

Again ... I apologize for including your name in my post.
 
Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 02:51:45 PM
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CHAT AND GRUMBLE SECRET SERVICE ACCUSATIONS


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SS started that at SM

DATE SS REGISTERED AT SM 
March 02, 2008, 09:19:49 PM


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #968 on: November 21, 2008, 03:53:26 PM »
I lived in Iran for a few years and the Shah considered the Iranians to be Arian also.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.960


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 02:52:10 PM
FWIW - I really do believe that SS's initials have more to do with his/her real name than anything like Schutzstaffel.

Klaas ... you are most likely right.

When I read Edward's post the other day ... I reflected on SS's unwaving support for CAPS' despite his changing theories, flawed research and predictions that are never fulfilled.

The only reason I posted that quote was to be mean.  Payback for cruelly mimicing my writing style on GM last week.

I could not fathom what my writing style had to do with the topic of CAPS ... the topic of the Persistence.  The words "I do not agree with your position Janet because ...." would suffice.

Obviously ... I do not always walk the walk.

Janet

++++++

Edward
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #805 3/6/09 -
« Reply #796 on: March 09, 2009, 02:41:48 PM »


An elite corps of combat troops (SS is short for Schutzstaffel, which is German for “protective shield”) formed originally within the German Nazi party as a bodyguard for Adolf Hitler and other Nazi leaders and led by Heinrich Himmler. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4633.msg710862#msg710862


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Mere on March 16, 2009, 02:53:40 PM
janet...the 5 pages were there perhaps 30 minutes ago
chat and grumble dot com
click on the frog and scroll
take a bath when finished


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 02:53:50 PM
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Chat and Grumble post


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 16, 2009, 02:54:22 PM
Anybody that wants to say they uphold JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY yet,are apart of a forum that has individual thread's set up to UNDERMINE posters from other threads is in MY OPINION lost.They want to have their cake and eat it to with the HIdey-hole B.S...... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 02:58:31 PM
Knowing SS real name now, this one really gets me wondering:

November 16, 2008, 04:20:12 PM

Smith, Halliburton, and Hughes are top oil drilling companies in the US.  I know this for sure because of personal experience
/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.msg545029#msg545029



SS - Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #968 on: November 21, 2008, 03:53:26 PM »
I lived in Iran for a few years and the Shah considered the Iranians to be Arian also.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.960

SS - November 06, 2008, 10:08:08 PM   ( 58 now, 26 when lived there)
Thirty-two years ago, I lived In Isfahan, Iran for two years.  The left hand was used for toilet functions because their bathroom facilities are very different than ours are.  They don't use toilet paper
//http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3697.msg527697#msg527697

Date Registered: March 02, 2008, 09:19:49 PM
She jumped right into CAPS and Shango thread and was knowledgeable about the Shango/Simian riddle.

WHERE IS ISFAHAN:
Isfahan or Esfahan (historically also rendered as Ispahan, Old Persian Aspadana, Middle Persian Spahan, Persian اصفهان) located about 340 km south of Tehran is Iran (Persia)'s third largest city. Isfahan has been designated by UNESCO as a world heritage city. It contains a wide variety of Islamic Architectural sites ranging from the 11th century to the 19th.


IRAN SIGNS GAS DEAL WITH HALLIBURTON SUBSIDIARY. U.S. oil-services company Halliburton has won a tender to drill in two phases of the South Pars gas field, Iranian state television reported on 9 January. "Some American officials have shares in Halliburton," state television added, without providing any names.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 16, 2009, 03:00:08 PM
Knowing SS real name now, this one really gets me wondering:

November 16, 2008, 04:20:12 PM

Smith, Halliburton, and Hughes are top oil drilling companies in the US.  I know this for sure because of personal experience
/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.msg545029#msg545029



SS - Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #968 on: November 21, 2008, 03:53:26 PM »
I lived in Iran for a few years and the Shah considered the Iranians to be Arian also.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.960

SS - November 06, 2008, 10:08:08 PM   ( 58 now, 26 when lived there)
Thirty-two years ago, I lived In Isfahan, Iran for two years.  The left hand was used for toilet functions because their bathroom facilities are very different than ours are.  They don't use toilet paper
//http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3697.msg527697#msg527697

Date Registered: March 02, 2008, 09:19:49 PM
She jumped right into CAPS and Shango thread and was knowledgeable about the Shango/Simian riddle.

WHERE IS ISFAHAN:
Isfahan or Esfahan (historically also rendered as Ispahan, Old Persian Aspadana, Middle Persian Spahan, Persian اصفهان) located about 340 km south of Tehran is Iran (Persia)'s third largest city. Isfahan has been designated by UNESCO as a world heritage city. It contains a wide variety of Islamic Architectural sites ranging from the 11th century to the 19th.


IRAN SIGNS GAS DEAL WITH HALLIBURTON SUBSIDIARY. U.S. oil-services company Halliburton has won a tender to drill in two phases of the South Pars gas field, Iranian state television reported on 9 January. "Some American officials have shares in Halliburton," state television added, without providing any names.






 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::  And there is the light of understanding for me with this poster.

Thankies kerm!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: mytime on March 16, 2009, 03:02:22 PM
Hi Monkeys!!

I would like to say something to you and the quests!!  I have not followed the Natalee case like many of you!!  I read here and at timesfeel like I am reading a different language!

I admire all you for your passion and tireless effort in the pursuit for justice!! I can not imagine what you it has been like for her family!! 

That said, I just wasted my time reading the CnG thread!!  How absolutely disgusting!!  I always believed it was all about a division of "theories" of what happened that tragic night!  But it appears to be so much more!! I was so wrong!!

How could anyone claim to care for justice and then "pretend" to be Julia Renfro or Anita Van der Sloot?  What kind of sick mine does that!!  The same mentality uses Jim Jones as their avatar!!  ::MonkeyConfused::

At one time, I questioned decisions made here based on obvious ignorance!!  I had no idea the mentality of these people!!  It became clear when I got a threatening message on my phone by Destiny!!  Things were becoming clearer and clearer!

I am sure this post will make me a target to their evilness and I don't care!!  They are very evil and full of BS, so let them have their fun!  However, I will not let them attack people I care about!  I saw it happening before and said nothing until the end!!  I won't make the same mistake twice!!

In some ways, I know it is better to take the high road and just ignore them!!  Giving them the attention they want could be a very big mistake, however, ignoring such vile evilness is just wrong too!! 

I am praying they stop and continue with their clams to care about justice for Natalee!!  At this point, The ball is in their court!! 

Note to guests - If you are associating yourself with the likes of these people, do you really care about Justice for Natalee or just spreading the evil that we all know exists in this world!!  Please take another look at these people and do the right thing!!  Don't help perpetuate the evil that they spew! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 03:06:13 PM
Anybody that wants to say they uphold JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY yet,are apart of a forum that has individual thread's set up to UNDERMINE posters from other threads is in MY OPINION lost.They want to have their cake and eat it to with the HIdey-hole B.S...... ::MonkeyCool::

It's one thing to disagree or even vehemently disagree with information being presented in a respectful manner. But when members decide to lie for sport rather then present their evidence with back up rather then deceit, it really shows their own lack of credibility and their own lack of integrity by their own actions.

It is a whole other thing when banned members choose to stalk children, and ridicule members of this website as well as the owner and his wife of this website in an attempt to discredit the information about the trap/cage. And to think one of the  members is an instructor who is a guidance counselor at the high school where she lives. Would anyone want her giving guidance to their children? Knowing she is stalking families?





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 03:06:26 PM
janet...the 5 pages were there perhaps 30 minutes ago
chat and grumble dot com
click on the frog and scroll
take a bath when finished

Thank you Mere.

I thought CNG was a private site.

The despicable Frog thread was on the GM site and then went poof.  I speculate that Carnut and even some GM posters would have no part of it and ... the thread would go "poof".

Janet 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 03:12:13 PM
Hi Monkeys!!

I would like to say something to you and the quests!!  I have not followed the Natalee case like many of you!!  I read here and at timesfeel like I am reading a different language!

I admire all you for your passion and tireless effort in the pursuit for justice!! I can not imagine what you it has been like for her family!! 

That said, I just wasted my time reading the CnG thread!!  How absolutely disgusting!!  I always believed it was all about a division of "theories" of what happened that tragic night!  But it appears to be so much more!! I was so wrong!!

How could anyone claim to care for justice and then "pretend" to be Julia Renfro or Anita Van der Sloot?  What kind of sick mine does that!!  The same mentality uses Jim Jones as their avatar!!  ::MonkeyConfused::

At one time, I questioned decisions made here based on obvious ignorance!!  I had no idea the mentality of these people!!  It became clear when I got a threatening message on my phone by Destiny!!  Things were becoming clearer and clearer!

I am sure this post will make me a target to their evilness and I don't care!!  They are very evil and full of BS, so let them have their fun!  However, I will not let them attack people I care about!  I saw it happening before and said nothing until the end!!  I won't make the same mistake twice!!

In some ways, I know it is better to take the high road and just ignore them!!  Giving them the attention they want could be a very big mistake, however, ignoring such vile evilness is just wrong too!! 

I am praying they stop and continue with their clams to care about justice for Natalee!!  At this point, The ball is in their court!! 

Note to guests - If you are associating yourself with the likes of these people, do you really care about Justice for Natalee or just spreading the evil that we all know exists in this world!!  Please take another look at these people and do the right thing!!  Don't help perpetuate the evil that they spew! 

Thank You Mytime..... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 03:12:34 PM
CAPS: Another thing , I went to dive a week a go to the same location, and the Cage is still there. If the cage was evidance in a murder case, why is it still in the water.


HOW DID CAPS KNOW THE EXACT LOCATION OF THE TRAP?

WHO and WHY would someone give that information to an Aruban citizen?
WHO and WHY would someone give information to Destiny?
WHO and WHY would information about a POND, if it is a legit source for evidence, be handed over to BLOGGERS?


Remember when Julia Renfro was handing out information and the Skeeters tapes to Roger Scrux.
Evidence in a crime was handed to a blogger.


STUPID IS NOT TATTOOED ON OUR FOREHEAD



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 03:15:46 PM
Anybody that wants to say they uphold JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY yet,are apart of a forum that has individual thread's set up to UNDERMINE posters from other threads is in MY OPINION lost.They want to have their cake and eat it to with the HIdey-hole B.S...... ::MonkeyCool::

It's one thing to disagree or even vehemently disagree with information being presented in a respectful manner. But when members decide to lie for sport rather then present their evidence with back up rather then deceit, it really shows their own lack of credibility and their own lack of integrity by their own actions.

It is a whole other thing when banned members choose to stalk children, and ridicule members of this website as well as the owner and his wife of this website in an attempt to discredit the information about the trap/cage. And to think one of the  members is an instructor who is a guidance counselor at the high school where she lives. Would anyone want her giving guidance to their children? Knowing she is stalking families?




Yes it makes You wonder what the administration of the school where She works would think and do if They saw some of Her posts.... Let alone the parents of the Children  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 03:17:44 PM
Hi Monkeys!!

I would like to say something to you and the quests!!  I have not followed the Natalee case like many of you!!  I read here and at timesfeel like I am reading a different language!

I admire all you for your passion and tireless effort in the pursuit for justice!! I can not imagine what you it has been like for her family!! 

That said, I just wasted my time reading the CnG thread!!  How absolutely disgusting!!  I always believed it was all about a division of "theories" of what happened that tragic night!  But it appears to be so much more!! I was so wrong!!

How could anyone claim to care for justice and then "pretend" to be Julia Renfro or Anita Van der Sloot?  What kind of sick mine does that!!  The same mentality uses Jim Jones as their avatar!!  ::MonkeyConfused::

At one time, I questioned decisions made here based on obvious ignorance!!  I had no idea the mentality of these people!!  It became clear when I got a threatening message on my phone by Destiny!!  Things were becoming clearer and clearer!

I am sure this post will make me a target to their evilness and I don't care!!  They are very evil and full of BS, so let them have their fun!  However, I will not let them attack people I care about!  I saw it happening before and said nothing until the end!!  I won't make the same mistake twice!!

In some ways, I know it is better to take the high road and just ignore them!!  Giving them the attention they want could be a very big mistake, however, ignoring such vile evilness is just wrong too!! 

I am praying they stop and continue with their clams to care about justice for Natalee!!  At this point, The ball is in their court!! 

Note to guests - If you are associating yourself with the likes of these people, do you really care about Justice for Natalee or just spreading the evil that we all know exists in this world!!  Please take another look at these people and do the right thing!!  Don't help perpetuate the evil that they spew! 



They are also sending out emails with virus' to make it appear from someone you know.
It's an old trick to use someone else's email that is on your emailing list

so beware!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 16, 2009, 03:17:49 PM
Anybody that wants to say they uphold JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY yet,are apart of a forum that has individual thread's set up to UNDERMINE posters from other threads is in MY OPINION lost.They want to have their cake and eat it to with the HIdey-hole B.S...... ::MonkeyCool::

It's one thing to disagree or even vehemently disagree with information being presented in a respectful manner. But when members decide to lie for sport rather then present their evidence with back up rather then deceit, it really shows their own lack of credibility and their own lack of integrity by their own actions.

It is a whole other thing when banned members choose to stalk children, and ridicule members of this website as well as the owner and his wife of this website in an attempt to discredit the information about the trap/cage. And to think one of the  members is an instructor who is a guidance counselor at the high school where she lives. Would anyone want her giving guidance to their children? Knowing she is stalking families?





I agree Kermit!I've said it before.I'm loyal to a fault.I have not,nor will not respect anyone associated with with either GM or CNG.. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 03:18:05 PM
CAPS: Another thing , I went to dive a week a go to the same location, and the Cage is still there. If the cage was evidance in a murder case, why is it still in the water.


HOW DID CAPS KNOW THE EXACT LOCATION OF THE TRAP?

WHO and WHY would someone give that information to an Aruban citizen?
WHO and WHY would someone give information to Destiny?
WHO and WHY would information about a POND, if it is a legit source for evidence, be handed over to BLOGGERS?


Remember when Julia Renfro was handing out information and the Skeeters tapes to Roger Scrux.
Evidence in a crime was handed to a blogger.


STUPID IS NOT TATTOOED ON OUR FOREHEAD


Exactly!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 16, 2009, 03:18:10 PM
Anybody that wants to say they uphold JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY yet,are apart of a forum that has individual thread's set up to UNDERMINE posters from other threads is in MY OPINION lost.They want to have their cake and eat it to with the HIdey-hole B.S...... ::MonkeyCool::

It's one thing to disagree or even vehemently disagree with information being presented in a respectful manner. But when members decide to lie for sport rather then present their evidence with back up rather then deceit, it really shows their own lack of credibility and their own lack of integrity by their own actions.

It is a whole other thing when banned members choose to stalk children, and ridicule members of this website as well as the owner and his wife of this website in an attempt to discredit the information about the trap/cage. And to think one of the  members is an instructor who is a guidance counselor at the high school where she lives. Would anyone want her giving guidance to their children? Knowing she is stalking families?

Oh good lord......

http://tinyurl.com/coeogg






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Mere on March 16, 2009, 03:18:12 PM
janet...the 5 pages were there perhaps 30 minutes ago
chat and grumble dot com
click on the frog and scroll
take a bath when finished

Thank you Mere.

I thought CNG was a private site. Janet, CNG is a private site.  This one thread is open to the public so that everyone could read their thoughts on SM.

The despicable Frog thread was on the GM site and then went poof.  I speculate that Carnut and even some GM posters would have no part of it and ... the thread would go "poof". I agree that Carnut and some of the GM posters were not used to seeing a thread that was so awful and they asked it to be moved into some hiding place. You have to wonder when the hateful posts and posters arrived there....maybe when they had no other home on the internet.

Janet 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 16, 2009, 03:18:19 PM
janet...the 5 pages were there perhaps 30 minutes ago
chat and grumble dot com
click on the frog and scroll
take a bath when finished

Thank you Mere.

I thought CNG was a private site.

The despicable Frog thread was on the GM site and then went poof.  I speculate that Carnut and even some GM posters would have no part of it and ... the thread would go "poof".

Janet 

Janet,
I am sure that thread has been moved to their hideyhole. That is just how things are done there
They like to hide their bashing.
Don't forget, many of these same posters are posters at GM and were on that thread in public.

Don't be fooled by soft drivebys proclaiming innocence and sweetness and light. You will find that often they are the most devious. THey are the ones that always accuse us of being mean, yet they come to stir things up. THe proclaim innocence of it all and how they want the forum wars to stop! (that they started, btw)

Janet, you are mistaking that forum for a forum that is run by responsible, mature and ethical administrators.
Do not for one minute think that Carnut would have any say in moving a thread anywhere. He does NOT run that forum. He prefers a "hands off" approach and doesnt' really care what people post there. He prefers to think of himself as "just another member". (his words)
I rather believe he enjoys all this stuff. I mean, youi gotta have SOME excitement in your life, right?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 16, 2009, 03:18:52 PM
Would SS/SES be SusaninNY aka Florida and who posted at BFN under at least a couple of other names and always got banned at both places eventually?  Posted photo of Las Vegas showgirl and insisted it was Natalee, etc,?  That one?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 03:19:56 PM
Anybody that wants to say they uphold JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY yet,are apart of a forum that has individual thread's set up to UNDERMINE posters from other threads is in MY OPINION lost.They want to have their cake and eat it to with the HIdey-hole B.S...... ::MonkeyCool::

It's one thing to disagree or even vehemently disagree with information being presented in a respectful manner. But when members decide to lie for sport rather then present their evidence with back up rather then deceit, it really shows their own lack of credibility and their own lack of integrity by their own actions.

It is a whole other thing when banned members choose to stalk children, and ridicule members of this website as well as the owner and his wife of this website in an attempt to discredit the information about the trap/cage. And to think one of the  members is an instructor who is a guidance counselor at the high school where she lives. Would anyone want her giving guidance to their children? Knowing she is stalking families?




Yes it makes You wonder what the administration of the school where She works would think and do if They saw some of Her posts.... Let alone the parents of the Children  ::MonkeyEek::


www.pipl.com
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m103/SusanESmith/KTFKermit.jpg



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2009, 03:22:14 PM
Would SS/SES be SusaninNY aka Florida and who posted at BFN under at least a couple of other names and always got banned at both places eventually?  Posted photo of Las Vegas showgirl and insisted it was Natalee, etc,?  That one?

Totally different posting style so I'd say no.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 03:23:08 PM
janet...the 5 pages were there perhaps 30 minutes ago
chat and grumble dot com
click on the frog and scroll
take a bath when finished

Thank you Mere.

I thought CNG was a private site.

The despicable Frog thread was on the GM site and then went poof.  I speculate that Carnut and even some GM posters would have no part of it and ... the thread would go "poof".

Janet 

Janet,
I am sure that thread has been moved to their hideyhole. That is just how things are done there
They like to hide their bashing.
Don't forget, many of these same posters are posters at GM and were on that thread in public.

Don't be fooled by soft drivebys proclaiming innocence and sweetness and light. You will find that often they are the most devious. THey are the ones that always accuse us of being mean, yet they come to stir things up. THe proclaim innocence of it all and how they want the forum wars to stop! (that they started, btw)

Janet, you are mistaking that forum for a forum that is run by responsible, mature and ethical administrators.
Do not for one minute think that Carnut would have any say in moving a thread anywhere. He does NOT run that forum. He prefers a "hands off" approach and doesnt' really care what people post there. He prefers to think of himself as "just another member". (his words)
I rather believe he enjoys all this stuff. I mean, youi gotta have SOME excitement in your life, right?




 http://dating.personals.yahoo.com/personals-1085109210-467702?view=1&adid=personals-1085109210-467702


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 16, 2009, 03:24:33 PM
Would SS/SES be SusaninNY aka Florida and who posted at BFN under at least a couple of other names and always got banned at both places eventually?  Posted photo of Las Vegas showgirl and insisted it was Natalee, etc,?  That one?

Totally different posting style so I'd say no.

Apparent age difference as well.  Thank goodness for that at least.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 16, 2009, 03:25:06 PM
janet...the 5 pages were there perhaps 30 minutes ago
chat and grumble dot com
click on the frog and scroll
take a bath when finished

Thank you Mere.

I thought CNG was a private site. Janet, CNG is a private site.  This one thread is open to the public so that everyone could read their thoughts on SM.

The despicable Frog thread was on the GM site and then went poof.  I speculate that Carnut and even some GM posters would have no part of it and ... the thread would go "poof". I agree that Carnut and some of the GM posters were not used to seeing a thread that was so awful and they asked it to be moved into some hiding place. You have to wonder when the hateful posts and posters arrived there....maybe when they had no other home on the internet.

Janet 

MERE

You are so kind!  ::MonkeyWink::

BTW, I am still drinking my chamomille tea  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 03:26:14 PM
Quote
I agree Kermit!I've said it before.I'm loyal to a fault.I have not,nor will not respect anyone associated with with either GM or CNG.. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes you are a very supportive person for Natalee's family and I'm sure they see that.

[
Supporting Natalee and her family does not mean stalking families.

cc: FBI


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 03:26:15 PM


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4246.msg590181#msg590181
bastibro
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
« Reply #291 on: December 18, 2008, 02:07:51 PM »

"The skull was not the only thing in the cage Johan.
I found this pic very convincing(the hip socket)...I`m sure a skull would be, like Anna and Magnolia said, filled with coral, barnacles or sponges."


(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/bastibro/verwant/hip_socket.jpg)



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4246.msg590244#msg590244
johan555
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
« Reply #304 on: December 18, 2008, 02:36:11 PM »

"Yes i saw also some bones on the screenshots ( on another pic )
But i have big doubts about the skull.
And if it were human remains were are they Now ?

Yes i saw also some bones on the screenshots"


(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Bone.jpg)


Thanks Lovesong.

So both of these Dutch posters believe there were bones in the trap/cage and one believes there was a skull.

The truth revealed ... Johan and bastibro and Johan are one with Kyle Kingman.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet

++++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull.

Kyle Kingman: The bag that is above the denim bag looks to me as though it contains pieces of vertebrae.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 16, 2009, 03:30:05 PM
janet...the 5 pages were there perhaps 30 minutes ago
chat and grumble dot com
click on the frog and scroll
take a bath when finished

Thank you Mere.

I thought CNG was a private site.

The despicable Frog thread was on the GM site and then went poof.  I speculate that Carnut and even some GM posters would have no part of it and ... the thread would go "poof".

Janet 

Janet,
I am sure that thread has been moved to their hideyhole. That is just how things are done there
They like to hide their bashing.
Don't forget, many of these same posters are posters at GM and were on that thread in public.

Don't be fooled by soft drivebys proclaiming innocence and sweetness and light. You will find that often they are the most devious. THey are the ones that always accuse us of being mean, yet they come to stir things up. THe proclaim innocence of it all and how they want the forum wars to stop! (that they started, btw)

Janet, you are mistaking that forum for a forum that is run by responsible, mature and ethical administrators.
Do not for one minute think that Carnut would have any say in moving a thread anywhere. He does NOT run that forum. He prefers a "hands off" approach and doesnt' really care what people post there. He prefers to think of himself as "just another member". (his words)
I rather believe he enjoys all this stuff. I mean, youi gotta have SOME excitement in your life, right?




 http://dating.personals.yahoo.com/personals-1085109210-467702?view=1&adid=personals-1085109210-467702

Cripes, in other words, anyone with a pulse?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 03:34:13 PM
janet...the 5 pages were there perhaps 30 minutes ago
chat and grumble dot com
click on the frog and scroll
take a bath when finished

Thank you Mere.

I thought CNG was a private site.

The despicable Frog thread was on the GM site and then went poof.  I speculate that Carnut and even some GM posters would have no part of it and ... the thread would go "poof".

Janet 

Janet,
I am sure that thread has been moved to their hideyhole. That is just how things are done there
They like to hide their bashing.
Don't forget, many of these same posters are posters at GM and were on that thread in public.

Don't be fooled by soft drivebys proclaiming innocence and sweetness and light. You will find that often they are the most devious. THey are the ones that always accuse us of being mean, yet they come to stir things up. THe proclaim innocence of it all and how they want the forum wars to stop! (that they started, btw)

Janet, you are mistaking that forum for a forum that is run by responsible, mature and ethical administrators.
Do not for one minute think that Carnut would have any say in moving a thread anywhere. He does NOT run that forum. He prefers a "hands off" approach and doesnt' really care what people post there. He prefers to think of himself as "just another member". (his words)
I rather believe he enjoys all this stuff. I mean, youi gotta have SOME excitement in your life, right?




 http://dating.personals.yahoo.com/personals-1085109210-467702?view=1&adid=personals-1085109210-467702

Cripes, in other words, anyone with a pulse?
  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: mytime on March 16, 2009, 03:35:54 PM
I was a member at GM for a short time!  I have since deleted my account for reasons known to some!!

I don't know what it was like before or now but I would like to say this in defense of my a few of my friends!!  Many there like Klaas, SM and the former members!!  They are not afraid to say so either!

I think it a good thing to have loyal people to SM there as well!!  Just keeps the record straight, IMO!!   ::MonkeyWink::

Not all GM members are evil!!  Just sayin............ 

Back to the musings!!  LOL



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 03:36:45 PM
janet...the 5 pages were there perhaps 30 minutes ago
chat and grumble dot com
click on the frog and scroll
take a bath when finished

Thank you Mere.

I thought CNG was a private site.

The despicable Frog thread was on the GM site and then went poof.  I speculate that Carnut and even some GM posters would have no part of it and ... the thread would go "poof".

Janet 

Janet,
I am sure that thread has been moved to their hideyhole. That is just how things are done there
They like to hide their bashing.
Don't forget, many of these same posters are posters at GM and were on that thread in public.

Don't be fooled by soft drivebys proclaiming innocence and sweetness and light. You will find that often they are the most devious. THey are the ones that always accuse us of being mean, yet they come to stir things up. THe proclaim innocence of it all and how they want the forum wars to stop! (that they started, btw)

Janet, you are mistaking that forum for a forum that is run by responsible, mature and ethical administrators.
Do not for one minute think that Carnut would have any say in moving a thread anywhere. He does NOT run that forum. He prefers a "hands off" approach and doesnt' really care what people post there. He prefers to think of himself as "just another member". (his words)
I rather believe he enjoys all this stuff. I mean, youi gotta have SOME excitement in your life, right?




 http://dating.personals.yahoo.com/personals-1085109210-467702?view=1&adid=personals-1085109210-467702

Cripes, in other words, anyone with a pulse?

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 16, 2009, 03:43:45 PM
Anybody that wants to say they uphold JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY yet,are apart of a forum that has individual thread's set up to UNDERMINE posters from other threads is in MY OPINION lost.They want to have their cake and eat it to with the HIdey-hole B.S...... ::MonkeyCool::

It's one thing to disagree or even vehemently disagree with information being presented in a respectful manner. But when members decide to lie for sport rather then present their evidence with back up rather then deceit, it really shows their own lack of credibility and their own lack of integrity by their own actions.

It is a whole other thing when banned members choose to stalk children, and ridicule members of this website as well as the owner and his wife of this website in an attempt to discredit the information about the trap/cage. And to think one of the  members is an instructor who is a guidance counselor at the high school where she lives. Would anyone want her giving guidance to their children? Knowing she is stalking families?




Yes it makes You wonder what the administration of the school where She works would think and do if They saw some of Her posts.... Let alone the parents of the Children  ::MonkeyEek::

This was something that stood out for me, too.  I spent some time before looking for a post where I asked if she was off that day, or posting on taxpayer's time.  Her response only asked if I was a teacher,too.  Unfortunately, I didn't find the posts, but it bothered me that she was spending days on this forum, if she really was a guidance counselor/psychologist.   ::MonkeyEek:: 

Hinky meter went off with the Caps enthusiasm from the get-go, too.  jmho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 16, 2009, 03:47:06 PM
I just want to say that I am not offended by Magnolia's picture being put on the scarecrow.

If I had a brain, then maybe I would be offended.  Sometimes less is more. ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 03:47:40 PM
Kermit ... you thoughts!

When it is considered that Jossy Mansur and John Silvetti are one in the contention that there was nothing case related in the trap/cage ... my thought process turns to questioning what was the actual purpose of Eduardo Mansur's continuing presence on board the Persistence.

Think about it ... Jossy Mansur states that his son had a constant presence on board the Persistence.  Logic dictates that Jossy's words are a reflection of what has been related by Eduardo.  Nothing negative about the chain of custody that the crew of the Persistence had no involvement in. 
.
Kermit ... Kyle Kingman had his suspicions regarding Eduardo being the leak.  Then when you consider that CAPS did a solo dive on the trap and ... then you consider Eduardo's diving abilities ...

Janet

+++++++

JOSSY MANSUR

Jossy Mansur:  No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.


CapsLockWizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #931 on: December 03, 2008, 04:19:56 AM
»

Another thing , I went to dive a week a go to the same location, and the Cage is still there. If the cage was evidance in a murder case, why is it still in the water.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564838;topicseen#msg564838


Tuscaloosa News
Aruba group seeking divers to search for Natalee Holloway
August 24, 2005


An Aruba group is seeking divers to continue the search for Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teenager who went missing nearly three months ago on the Dutch Caribbean island.

The group wants to lead the divers in exploring waters off Aruba’s east coast, where Holloway was staying with 124 Mountain Brook High School classmates, said Eduardo Mansur, co-founder of the Aruba Search and Rescue Foundation, which has been helping search for the teenager since she vanished May 30.

Although the waters have been searched before, the group wants to try again with the help of a machine invented by an American who claims it can detect human bones and teeth under water, Mansur said. The inventor, Joe Walker, came to Aruba to help in the search, Mansur said.

“We have been working very hard on the case from the beginning,” Mansur said. “We are following all leads.”

Mansur said he and Walker are recruiting local divers. He said they will start when enough divers volunteer.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/08/24/aruba-group-seeking-divers-to-search-for-missing-us-teen/


++++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Kyle Kingman:  For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 03:59:26 PM
janet...the 5 pages were there perhaps 30 minutes ago
chat and grumble dot com
click on the frog and scroll
take a bath when finished

Thank you Mere.

I thought CNG was a private site.

The despicable Frog thread was on the GM site and then went poof.  I speculate that Carnut and even some GM posters would have no part of it and ... the thread would go "poof".

Janet 

I think you're right Janet, I was glad BTGirl had the courage to address it.

3/11/2009 GM Forum

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/KERMIT/GM03112009-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 04:18:42 PM
I just want to say that I am not offended by Magnolia's picture being put on the scarecrow.

If I had a brain, then maybe I would be offended.  Sometimes less is more. ::MonkeyCool::


Well it offended me!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Not only for you Magnolia, but considering what this is all about...she also used a character from the Wizard of Oz, which we all know Natalee loved, to produce her vicious attack.  Double no-no IMO.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

You are a very smart monkey Magnolia, and a miracle too!   ::MonkeyCool::

 :smt052



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: mytime on March 16, 2009, 04:20:07 PM
janet...the 5 pages were there perhaps 30 minutes ago
chat and grumble dot com
click on the frog and scroll
take a bath when finished

Thank you Mere.

I thought CNG was a private site.

The despicable Frog thread was on the GM site and then went poof.  I speculate that Carnut and even some GM posters would have no part of it and ... the thread would go "poof".

Janet 

I think you're right Janet, I was glad BTGirl had the courage to address it.

3/11/2009 GM Forum

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/KERMIT/GM03112009-1.jpg)


There were quite a few that wanted it deleted too!! 

I am confused.............but isn't posting Carnut personal ad - just like what some of the others are doing!!  I know some of you don't like him and I doubt he would care......but I know I would not like it done to me!!  And I think it wrong when they do it too!!

OK, throw nanners now!!  I haven't showered yet today!!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 16, 2009, 04:34:27 PM
janet...the 5 pages were there perhaps 30 minutes ago
chat and grumble dot com
click on the frog and scroll
take a bath when finished

Thank you Mere.

I thought CNG was a private site.

The despicable Frog thread was on the GM site and then went poof.  I speculate that Carnut and even some GM posters would have no part of it and ... the thread would go "poof".

Janet 

I think you're right Janet, I was glad BTGirl had the courage to address it.

3/11/2009 GM Forum

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/KERMIT/GM03112009-1.jpg)


There were quite a few that wanted it deleted too!! 

I am confused.............but isn't posting Carnut personal ad - just like what some of the others are doing!!  I know some of you don't like him and I doubt he would care......but I know I would not like it done to me!!  And I think it wrong when they do it too!!

OK, throw nanners now!!  I haven't showered yet today!!  ::MonkeyWink::

He put the personal info out there under the same name he uses on his website and forum for the public to see.  If anything, he might be getting some extra help finding that companion since the link was brought here. 




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 04:46:22 PM
Hi Keepthefaith

You are kind of quiety lately.  I hope you are all through with that nastly flu bug/cold.

Are the winds picking up again in your area right now?  I was watching the American news and observed that yesterday your area experienced all the same strange weather patterns as our area.

I need a holiday to somewhere warm.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 16, 2009, 04:49:16 PM
Hi Keepthefaith

You are kind of quiety lately.  I hope you are all through with that nastly flu bug/cold.

Are the winds picking up again in your area right now?  I was watching the American news and observed that yesterday your area experienced all the same strange weather patterns as our area.

I need a holiday to somewhere warm.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet



QUIET... ::MonkeyTongue:: Very close to being 100%.Just a slight cough! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 04:49:35 PM
Lifesong ... I apologize calling you Lovesong in my last post.  It was the tune I was humming off tune to myself while I was typing.

Hey ... that was a great catch in regards to bastibro and Johan perspective in regards to the contents of the cage.

I hope you are having a great day.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 04:51:55 PM
Hi Keepthefaith

You are kind of quiety lately.  I hope you are all through with that nastly flu bug/cold.

Are the winds picking up again in your area right now?  I was watching the American news and observed that yesterday your area experienced all the same strange weather patterns as our area.

I need a holiday to somewhere warm.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet



QUIET... ::MonkeyTongue:: Very close to being 100%.Just a slight cough! ::MonkeyDance::

Whether I am quiet or not ... I do believe that the winds are crossing the border right now and ... heading your way.

 ::cartwheel::

I am thankful you are on the mend.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 04:57:22 PM
Mytime!!!

Ducky has waddled off to the Musing thread to visit you.  He is probably after all the junk food you insist on feeding him.  Considering you are here ... maybe A1 will send him back to the Natalee Holloway thread were he is fed properly.

The weight gain of Ducky is the reason he had trouble taking off the other night with me on his back.  I just checked ... I have not put on an ounce.  So your assumption was wrong ... wrong ... wrong.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 04:59:55 PM
What the heck is my name doing in the middle of that carp. ?
I do not even know where this other web site is.

It looks like THEY " The Enemy" is just trying to play the game called divide and conquer.

Just one little word to them, and everyone.
I never put myself in such situations.
Because.. I like you. ::MonkeyWink::

Edward ... I apologize.  You provided me the definition of SS in your history lesson last week.

It was me who impulsively used that definition to further MY OWN PURPOSE.

Again ... I apologize for including your name in my post.
 
Janet

BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blonde on March 16, 2009, 05:00:23 PM
Welcome back Blonde



I was Just checking in,I am baking cookies for Mom's after party.
The arraignments for Mom are tomorrow night and Wednesday.
Kermit, Thank You for your kind words.
Always Blonde

   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 05:01:26 PM
A sign of old age ... talking to myself.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Later

Janet
2:00 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: mytime on March 16, 2009, 05:04:26 PM
A sign of old age ... talking to myself.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Later

Janet
2:00 PM PT

Message in musings!!   ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: finngirl on March 16, 2009, 05:19:58 PM
They are also sending out emails with virus' to make it appear from someone you know.
It's an old trick to use someone else's email that is on your emailing list

so beware!

twice w/in the last week I rec'd email
"from" Dan in TX who posted here
during summer/fall 2005

the "sender" contained his r/l name,
which I won't post here

hadn't heard from him since forever
so WTH I clicked on the first email

saw a ginormous recipient list,
all familiar nics ... most from long/long ago

the msg was incomplete/didn't contain a link ...
something about how online gambling functions

deleted that one as soon as I read it,
deleted the second one before opening it

ran a scan and two items were quarantined

so, hmmmm: 2 emails/2 soiled items

kermit: thank you for the heads-up  :cool:



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 16, 2009, 05:34:34 PM
Lifesong ... I apologize calling you Lovesong in my last post.  It was the tune I was humming off tune to myself while I was typing.

Hey ... that was a great catch in regards to bastibro and Johan perspective in regards to the contents of the cage.

I hope you are having a great day.

Janet


Janet - I consider it a compliment - please don't apologize!

KTF - I miss your posts, too.  Rub a lozenge on those fingertips and get to typing!   ::MonkeyHaHa::




I wish we could just ignore them. 
Unfortunately, I think at least one or two have been "kinks" in the works of Justice.
I hope they were just used.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Edward on March 16, 2009, 05:49:44 PM
What the heck is my name doing in the middle of that carp. ?
I do not even know where this other web site is.

It looks like THEY " The Enemy" is just trying to play the game called divide and conquer.

Just one little word to them, and everyone.
I never put myself in such situations.
Because.. I like you. ::MonkeyWink::

Edward ... I apologize.  You provided me the definition of SS in your history lesson last week.

It was me who impulsively used that definition to further MY OWN PURPOSE.

Again ... I apologize for including your name in my post.
 
Janet

BUMPED

No Problemo..  ::MonkeyWink:: I did not understand..
I just do not want to be associated with any of these other sites..  ::MonkeyEek::

 The sites I post at are ..Here at scared monkeys.. BFN.. Refugees..Web Sleuths and Riehlworldview
I started here... Way before we had a forum..Before Natalee went missing..
I try never to attack others on a personal level as I am researching and searching for answers into missing persons cases..Natalee being one.. In hopes of being some help.
That is my whole agenda and I try to carry on with some level integrity, although I am not claiming to be perfect as I have put a few posters in there place over the last 4 years..  But you will not see me posting hateful messages and I always use the name EDWARD, Because it is my name... ::MonkeyWink::   ::MonkeyDance::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 16, 2009, 06:03:55 PM
When we could respond and did so, their accusations didn't hold up at all and so they needed a site to blast and bash and trash without the one being attacked being able to respond.

I am just sorry but I can't help but think that if people didn't like to see that kind of personal attack, they wouldn't be there.

I think they DO like to see and read it even if they won't admit it.  Otherwise, why provide support for it?

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 06:19:48 PM
Lifesong ... I apologize calling you Lovesong in my last post.  It was the tune I was humming off tune to myself while I was typing.

Hey ... that was a great catch in regards to bastibro and Johan perspective in regards to the contents of the cage.

I hope you are having a great day.

Janet


Janet - I consider it a compliment - please don't apologize!

KTF - I miss your posts, too.  Rub a lozenge on those fingertips and get to typing!   ::MonkeyHaHa::




I wish we could just ignore them. 
Unfortunately, I think at least one or two have been "kinks" in the works of Justice.
I hope they were just used.


I have hated it with a passion since the getgo when posters would claim to be the keepers of the truth but ... keep others in the dark when the entire debate could be cleared up.

If any poster claims to be in the know but ... for some reason cannot reveal ... then just say nothing.

The prodical Scared Monkeys uphold John Silvetti and ... undermine the messengers who do not but ... will not reveal why Kyle Kingman's words are being disregard.

Janet

+++++++


Johan555
Re: The Cage
« Reply #66 on: March 14, 2009, 04:57:49 pm »


I have communicated with the directly involved about the content of that cage 

and i know the truth !!

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.60



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 16, 2009, 06:32:09 PM
I don't believe anyone can know the contents of the trap without forensic testing being done on it.  Not anyone. 

Not the family, unfortunately, and not even Johan or Bastibro, lol.

But it is very curious how those sites do totally disregard the words of Kyle Kingman throughout all of this.  Do they know something we don't like maybe Kyle has a problem with the truth?  Or was he just saying things in order to try to sell the ROV footage for more money or what?

Why do they never address his words at all?  And instead focus on those who brought his words forward? 

Makes no sense.  All they would have to do is explain why Kyle said all those things if they are not true.

And yet they don't.  Therefore, what he said must be the truth.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 06:33:07 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53973.php

Google translation:

Aruba
 
Tourist arrested after brawl

March 16, 2009, 14:43 (-04:00 GMT)

ORANGE CITY - After a fight in nightclub Senor Frogs is an American arrested last weekend. A friend of him was that his injuries treated.
The man was with his friend involved in a fight that ultimately resulted in a brawl. They were striking blows and the Americans were injured. When the police arrived on the spot, they saw that one of them the blood was and that the left side of his face was completely swollen. Agents advised the two to move to the first aid to go. One of them remained 'annoying' and pick a quarrel. The agents had no other choice than him in the store and buoys on the desk to let cool.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 16, 2009, 06:35:40 PM
Lifesong ... I apologize calling you Lovesong in my last post.  It was the tune I was humming off tune to myself while I was typing.

Hey ... that was a great catch in regards to bastibro and Johan perspective in regards to the contents of the cage.

I hope you are having a great day.

Janet


Janet - I consider it a compliment - please don't apologize!

KTF - I miss your posts, too.  Rub a lozenge on those fingertips and get to typing!   ::MonkeyHaHa::




I wish we could just ignore them. 
Unfortunately, I think at least one or two have been "kinks" in the works of Justice.
I hope they were just used.


I have hated it with a passion since the getgo when posters would claim to be the keepers of the truth but ... keep others in the dark when the entire debate could be cleared up.

If any poster claims to be in the know but ... for some reason cannot reveal ... then just say nothing.

The prodical Scared Monkeys uphold John Silvetti and ... undermine the messengers who do not but ... will not reveal why Kyle Kingman's words are being disregard.

Janet

+++++++


Johan555
Re: The Cage
« Reply #66 on: March 14, 2009, 04:57:49 pm »


I have communicated with the directly involved about the content of that cage 

and i know the truth !!

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.60



In my opinion..These posters are full of S...!They have nothing to back up what they say that's why they run off to the Hidey-hole's...Poster's will not last at Scared Monkey's unless it's TRUTH AND JUSTICE they're after.Transparency is all GOLD....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 06:37:59 PM
SS called me vicious today and MumInOhio called me a pitbull in the past.

They are both right.  My mission for almost four years has been justice for Natalee Holloway.  I have strived for that objective with all my heart in an attempt to expose the Aruban agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing since the getgo as well as an Aruban agenda  that has prevented the family from bringing their beloved home to rest on American soil.

Those I perceive as furthering both/either Aruban agendas and ... anybody I perceive as supporting those who are furthering both/either Aruban agenda ... my fangs come out.

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!!  CLOSURE FOR THE FAMILY!!

Janet

+++++

'Scarborough Country' for July 14
updated 8:45 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 15, 2005


JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER: Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/


'The Abrams Report' for July 1
updated 7:47 a.m. PT, Wed., July. 6, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee.  Natalee deserves to return to her country.  She deserves it, and everyone knows it, Martin, every single person.  Every single person knows that.  They know it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 06:39:51 PM
Lifesong ... I apologize calling you Lovesong in my last post.  It was the tune I was humming off tune to myself while I was typing.

Hey ... that was a great catch in regards to bastibro and Johan perspective in regards to the contents of the cage.

I hope you are having a great day.

Janet


Janet - I consider it a compliment - please don't apologize!

KTF - I miss your posts, too.  Rub a lozenge on those fingertips and get to typing!   ::MonkeyHaHa::




I wish we could just ignore them. 
Unfortunately, I think at least one or two have been "kinks" in the works of Justice.
I hope they were just used.


I have hated it with a passion since the getgo when posters would claim to be the keepers of the truth but ... keep others in the dark when the entire debate could be cleared up.

If any poster claims to be in the know but ... for some reason cannot reveal ... then just say nothing.

The prodical Scared Monkeys uphold John Silvetti and ... undermine the messengers who do not but ... will not reveal why Kyle Kingman's words are being disregard.

Janet

+++++++


Johan555
Re: The Cage
« Reply #66 on: March 14, 2009, 04:57:49 pm »


I have communicated with the directly involved about the content of that cage 

and i know the truth !!

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.60



In my opinion..These posters are full of S...!They have nothing to back up what they say that's why they run off to the Hidey-hole's...Poster's will not last at Scared Monkey's unless it's TRUTH AND JUSTICE they're after.Transparency is all GOLD....

I could not agree more.

Thank you Keepthefaith.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 16, 2009, 06:40:50 PM
They are also sending out emails with virus' to make it appear from someone you know.
It's an old trick to use someone else's email that is on your emailing list

so beware!

twice w/in the last week I rec'd email
"from" Dan in TX who posted here
during summer/fall 2005

the "sender" contained his r/l name,
which I won't post here

hadn't heard from him since forever
so WTH I clicked on the first email

saw a ginormous recipient list,
all familiar nics ... most from long/long ago

the msg was incomplete/didn't contain a link ...
something about how online gambling functions

deleted that one as soon as I read it,
deleted the second one before opening it

ran a scan and two items were quarantined

so, hmmmm: 2 emails/2 soiled items

kermit: thank you for the heads-up  :cool:




Those HUGE recipoent lists are so more of us will get the virus and have long been a standard with certain posters.  Posters who then have the gall to accuse Klaas of posting email addresses when it is they themselves who have exposed all our email addresses instead.

Mail settings should always be to "use all headers" and then BCC to prevent others from seeing all the email addresses like that. 

But I know for a fact the ones accusing Klaas of posting emails (when the poster did it herself) are the worst offenders at exposing everybody elses email address in this manner.

And yes, it's a shame that we can't even share our email addresses but this is what comes of that.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2009, 06:41:36 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53973.php

Google translation:

Aruba
 
Tourist arrested after brawl

March 16, 2009, 14:43 (-04:00 GMT)

ORANGE CITY - After a fight in nightclub Senor Frogs is an American arrested last weekend. A friend of him was that his injuries treated.
The man was with his friend involved in a fight that ultimately resulted in a brawl. They were striking blows and the Americans were injured. When the police arrived on the spot, they saw that one of them the blood was and that the left side of his face was completely swollen. Agents advised the two to move to the first aid to go. One of them remained 'annoying' and pick a quarrel. The agents had no other choice than him in the store and buoys on the desk to let cool.

Charlierat in Aruba?  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2009, 06:43:03 PM
It's entirely possible that Dan in TX computer was infected with one of those virus's that sends copies of itself to everyone in the address book on that PC.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 06:44:24 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53973.php

Google translation:

Aruba
 
Tourist arrested after brawl

March 16, 2009, 14:43 (-04:00 GMT)

ORANGE CITY - After a fight in nightclub Senor Frogs is an American arrested last weekend. A friend of him was that his injuries treated.
The man was with his friend involved in a fight that ultimately resulted in a brawl. They were striking blows and the Americans were injured. When the police arrived on the spot, they saw that one of them the blood was and that the left side of his face was completely swollen. Agents advised the two to move to the first aid to go. One of them remained 'annoying' and pick a quarrel. The agents had no other choice than him in the store and buoys on the desk to let cool.

Charlierat in Aruba?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 06:46:16 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53975.php

Bijleveld: No extra development money
 
March 16, 2009, 14:45 (GMT -04:00)

  Email this article
  Print this article
 
Oranjestad - Aruba is no additional development funds from the Netherlands. The development relationship in the form of FDA-end fund this year, like last year has been notified. This Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten said.

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber said last week after his conversation with his Dutch colleague Jan Peter Balkenende for the Aruban television and radio that the period of eighteen months. That also meant that 73 million florin extra money available for projects that no part of the FDA program needed to be.
The economic downturn was the reason Prime Minister for the Netherlands to take extra money over the bridge to come. "This is wrong. There is no extra money for FDA and we can not place, "said spokesman Tijs Manten Bijlstraat Field last week, nothing about the content of the conversation between Bijleveld and lost Oduber wanted. This is in contrast to Prime Minister Oduber who extended his story did. Manten stresses that this is the last year that the Netherlands to help fund FDA.
"Perhaps the Prime Minister about the security and law enforcement, which runs through to 2012. This is an old event. "Furthermore, it is less than 73 million florin Oduber where talking about, says Manten.

Inquiry to the Aruban Prime Minister what he means financial support, has so far been no results. During the celebration of Arubadag in Leiden yesterday said the Prime Minister that after 2009 a transition period of eighteen months' follow, with the money from the fund by FDA to establish a foundation will be managed.
State Secretary Bijleveld, who also attended the celebration, said that the Netherlands do not pay extra money in the FDA for the transition period. "It is about how the FDA can continue after 2009. We have yet to see. "The woman will rule next week to Aruba to this topic is discussed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 06:56:02 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53968.php

Google translation:

Aruba
 
Prisoners will grow vegetables
 
March 16, 2009, 14:39 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Dutch biologist and entrepreneur Willem Pompe Aruban detainees want to grow vegetables in special greenhouses. Headline is a useful completion to the time a prisoner needs to put in prison.

Pompe has volunteered many years of experience in care in prisons.
The Minister of Justice, the Public Prosecutor (OM) and rehabilitation are under de Zeeuw all behind the plan. "Only the prison director to start a little scare, Pompe told the World. "I initially positive talks, but his goal is not to let the prisoners escape. Any disturbance of the daily routine is a risk. "

When Pompe in 2006 during family visits to the island, he got the idea to the hundreds of prisoners of KIA something useful to do with their time. The biologist is not good for prisoners just have to close and then release them. "You can have CDs to pack or stickers to paste, but I would prefer to do something, what better for a man." The Dutch entrepreneur noted that in Aruba many vegetables consumed, but only very little grown. Particularly hotels and restaurants, many fresh vegetables needed, so he came to his innovative idea. "Most vegetables are imported from Venezuela and the United States, often the quality is less than we used in the Netherlands." The enthusiasm for fresh vegetables on Aruba Pompe is large, the entrepreneur hopes to be a profitable company can continue. "A Dutch supermarket owner was very interested in Aruban lettuce."

He wants the special vegetables in greenhouses, on stone wool mats, will grow. Mineral wool, known as heat insulation in homes, is also used as a base for raising and growing of plants. The mats are filled with a solution of water and nutrients. The greenhouses are independent of the substrate. Important because in the immediate vicinity of the prison is no suitable land available. Currently, the biologist a trial on the grounds of a school for difficult children learning. Here he foliekas put down for the cultivation of tomatoes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on March 16, 2009, 06:56:26 PM
Anna

For awhile, I thought SS was Florida, etc.  Her posting style was different but her thought process and reasoning was very similar.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 06:57:37 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53975.php

Edited to add:  Google Translation

Bijleveld: No extra development money
 
March 16, 2009, 14:45 (GMT -04:00)

  Email this article
  Print this article
 
Oranjestad - Aruba is no additional development funds from the Netherlands. The development relationship in the form of FDA-end fund this year, like last year has been notified. This Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten said.

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber said last week after his conversation with his Dutch colleague Jan Peter Balkenende for the Aruban television and radio that the period of eighteen months. That also meant that 73 million florin extra money available for projects that no part of the FDA program needed to be.
The economic downturn was the reason Prime Minister for the Netherlands to take extra money over the bridge to come. "This is wrong. There is no extra money for FDA and we can not place, "said spokesman Tijs Manten Bijlstraat Field last week, nothing about the content of the conversation between Bijleveld and lost Oduber wanted. This is in contrast to Prime Minister Oduber who extended his story did. Manten stresses that this is the last year that the Netherlands to help fund FDA.
"Perhaps the Prime Minister about the security and law enforcement, which runs through to 2012. This is an old event. "Furthermore, it is less than 73 million florin Oduber where talking about, says Manten.

Inquiry to the Aruban Prime Minister what he means financial support, has so far been no results. During the celebration of Arubadag in Leiden yesterday said the Prime Minister that after 2009 a transition period of eighteen months' follow, with the money from the fund by FDA to establish a foundation will be managed.
State Secretary Bijleveld, who also attended the celebration, said that the Netherlands do not pay extra money in the FDA for the transition period. "It is about how the FDA can continue after 2009. We have yet to see. "The woman will rule next week to Aruba to this topic is discussed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 07:01:39 PM
Anna

For awhile, I thought SS was Florida, etc.  Her posting style was different but her thought process and reasoning was very similar.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Many things still make me think there's something hinky there.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 16, 2009, 07:02:45 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 16, 2009, 07:07:35 PM
Anna

For awhile, I thought SS was Florida, etc.  Her posting style was different but her thought process and reasoning was very similar.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Many things still make me think there's something hinky there.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Me, too, as few posters just materialize out of thin air knowing the whole history of this investigation, etc.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 16, 2009, 07:10:05 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53973.php

Google translation:

Aruba
 
Tourist arrested after brawl

March 16, 2009, 14:43 (-04:00 GMT)

ORANGE CITY - After a fight in nightclub Senor Frogs is an American arrested last weekend. A friend of him was that his injuries treated.
The man was with his friend involved in a fight that ultimately resulted in a brawl. They were striking blows and the Americans were injured. When the police arrived on the spot, they saw that one of them the blood was and that the left side of his face was completely swollen. Agents advised the two to move to the first aid to go. One of them remained 'annoying' and pick a quarrel. The agents had no other choice than him in the store and buoys on the desk to let cool.

Charlierat in Aruba?  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Either that or they are saying it is annoying if the tourist doesn't get beaten to a bloody pulp.   Maybe fighting back is what they find annoying.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 07:12:12 PM
They are also sending out emails with virus' to make it appear from someone you know.
It's an old trick to use someone else's email that is on your emailing list

so beware!

twice w/in the last week I rec'd email
"from" Dan in TX who posted here
during summer/fall 2005

the "sender" contained his r/l name,
which I won't post here

hadn't heard from him since forever
so WTH I clicked on the first email

saw a ginormous recipient list,
all familiar nics ... most from long/long ago

the msg was incomplete/didn't contain a link ...
something about how online gambling functions

deleted that one as soon as I read it,
deleted the second one before opening it

ran a scan and two items were quarantined

so, hmmmm: 2 emails/2 soiled items

kermit: thank you for the heads-up  :cool:



Yes that's the ones.
Some of them on that list are chat and grumble members.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 16, 2009, 07:13:03 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53968.php

Google translation:

Aruba
 
Prisoners will grow vegetables
 
March 16, 2009, 14:39 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Dutch biologist and entrepreneur Willem Pompe Aruban detainees want to grow vegetables in special greenhouses. Headline is a useful completion to the time a prisoner needs to put in prison.

Pompe has volunteered many years of experience in care in prisons.
The Minister of Justice, the Public Prosecutor (OM) and rehabilitation are under de Zeeuw all behind the plan. "Only the prison director to start a little scare, Pompe told the World. "I initially positive talks, but his goal is not to let the prisoners escape. Any disturbance of the daily routine is a risk. "

When Pompe in 2006 during family visits to the island, he got the idea to the hundreds of prisoners of KIA something useful to do with their time. The biologist is not good for prisoners just have to close and then release them. "You can have CDs to pack or stickers to paste, but I would prefer to do something, what better for a man." The Dutch entrepreneur noted that in Aruba many vegetables consumed, but only very little grown. Particularly hotels and restaurants, many fresh vegetables needed, so he came to his innovative idea. "Most vegetables are imported from Venezuela and the United States, often the quality is less than we used in the Netherlands." The enthusiasm for fresh vegetables on Aruba Pompe is large, the entrepreneur hopes to be a profitable company can continue. "A Dutch supermarket owner was very interested in Aruban lettuce."

He wants the special vegetables in greenhouses, on stone wool mats, will grow. Mineral wool, known as heat insulation in homes, is also used as a base for raising and growing of plants. The mats are filled with a solution of water and nutrients. The greenhouses are independent of the substrate. Important because in the immediate vicinity of the prison is no suitable land available. Currently, the biologist a trial on the grounds of a school for difficult children learning. Here he foliekas put down for the cultivation of tomatoes.

Just looked up mineral & stone wool production & uses.  Not sure I'd want vegetables grown in either.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 07:21:44 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53968.php

Google translation:

Aruba
 
Prisoners will grow vegetables
 
March 16, 2009, 14:39 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Dutch biologist and entrepreneur Willem Pompe Aruban detainees want to grow vegetables in special greenhouses. Headline is a useful completion to the time a prisoner needs to put in prison.

Pompe has volunteered many years of experience in care in prisons.
The Minister of Justice, the Public Prosecutor (OM) and rehabilitation are under de Zeeuw all behind the plan. "Only the prison director to start a little scare, Pompe told the World. "I initially positive talks, but his goal is not to let the prisoners escape. Any disturbance of the daily routine is a risk. "

When Pompe in 2006 during family visits to the island, he got the idea to the hundreds of prisoners of KIA something useful to do with their time. The biologist is not good for prisoners just have to close and then release them. "You can have CDs to pack or stickers to paste, but I would prefer to do something, what better for a man." The Dutch entrepreneur noted that in Aruba many vegetables consumed, but only very little grown. Particularly hotels and restaurants, many fresh vegetables needed, so he came to his innovative idea. "Most vegetables are imported from Venezuela and the United States, often the quality is less than we used in the Netherlands." The enthusiasm for fresh vegetables on Aruba Pompe is large, the entrepreneur hopes to be a profitable company can continue. "A Dutch supermarket owner was very interested in Aruban lettuce."

He wants the special vegetables in greenhouses, on stone wool mats, will grow. Mineral wool, known as heat insulation in homes, is also used as a base for raising and growing of plants. The mats are filled with a solution of water and nutrients. The greenhouses are independent of the substrate. Important because in the immediate vicinity of the prison is no suitable land available. Currently, the biologist a trial on the grounds of a school for difficult children learning. Here he foliekas put down for the cultivation of tomatoes.

Just looked up mineral & stone wool production & uses.  Not sure I'd want vegetables grown in either.   

I was also thinking of the "special" watering that I'm sure some inmates will be inclined to do! ewwww! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 16, 2009, 07:22:32 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53973.php

Google translation:

Aruba
 
Tourist arrested after brawl

March 16, 2009, 14:43 (-04:00 GMT)

ORANGE CITY - After a fight in nightclub Senor Frogs is an American arrested last weekend. A friend of him was that his injuries treated.
The man was with his friend involved in a fight that ultimately resulted in a brawl. They were striking blows and the Americans were injured. When the police arrived on the spot, they saw that one of them the blood was and that the left side of his face was completely swollen. Agents advised the two to move to the first aid to go. One of them remained 'annoying' and pick a quarrel. The agents had no other choice than him in the store and buoys on the desk to let cool.

Probably my brother-in-law.  I TOLD HIM NOT TO GO.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 07:23:05 PM
Kermit ... you thoughts!

When it is considered that Jossy Mansur and John Silvetti are one in the contention that there was nothing case related in the trap/cage ... my thought process turns to questioning what was the actual purpose of Eduardo Mansur's continuing presence on board the Persistence.

Think about it ... Jossy Mansur states that his son had a constant presence on board the Persistence.  Logic dictates that Jossy's words are a reflection of what has been related by Eduardo.  Nothing negative about the chain of custody that the crew of the Persistence had no involvement in. 
.
Kermit ... Kyle Kingman had his suspicions regarding Eduardo being the leak.  Then when you consider that CAPS did a solo dive on the trap and ... then you consider Eduardo's diving abilities ...

Janet

+++++++

JOSSY MANSUR

Jossy Mansur:  No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.


CapsLockWizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #931 on: December 03, 2008, 04:19:56 AM
»

Another thing , I went to dive a week a go to the same location, and the Cage is still there. If the cage was evidance in a murder case, why is it still in the water.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564838;topicseen#msg564838


Tuscaloosa News
Aruba group seeking divers to search for Natalee Holloway
August 24, 2005


An Aruba group is seeking divers to continue the search for Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teenager who went missing nearly three months ago on the Dutch Caribbean island.

The group wants to lead the divers in exploring waters off Aruba’s east coast, where Holloway was staying with 124 Mountain Brook High School classmates, said Eduardo Mansur, co-founder of the Aruba Search and Rescue Foundation, which has been helping search for the teenager since she vanished May 30.

Although the waters have been searched before, the group wants to try again with the help of a machine invented by an American who claims it can detect human bones and teeth under water, Mansur said. The inventor, Joe Walker, came to Aruba to help in the search, Mansur said.

“We have been working very hard on the case from the beginning,” Mansur said. “We are following all leads.”

Mansur said he and Walker are recruiting local divers. He said they will start when enough divers volunteer.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/08/24/aruba-group-seeking-divers-to-search-for-missing-us-teen/


++++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Kyle Kingman:  For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan


How can Jossy say he didn't know anything about the pond or search etc, but yet his own employee is handing out information to Destiny? Doesn't add up. Eduardo being on the ship is another questionable practice. They let Aruban's on, but not American or FBI. Does that make sense? Not to me.

We do not have stupid tattooed on our foreheads Aruba



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 16, 2009, 07:26:02 PM
This was something that stood out for me, too.  I spent some time before looking for a post where I asked if she was off that day, or posting on taxpayer's time.  Her response only asked if I was a teacher,too.  Unfortunately, I didn't find the posts, but it bothered me that she was spending days on this forum, if she really was a guidance counselor/psychologist.   ::MonkeyEek:: 

Hinky meter went off with the Caps enthusiasm from the get-go, too.  jmho

Yes she spends hours upon hours during school posting at these sites.
Is that what a good school guidance counselor should be doing?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 16, 2009, 07:30:32 PM
Kermit ... you thoughts!

When it is considered that Jossy Mansur and John Silvetti are one in the contention that there was nothing case related in the trap/cage ... my thought process turns to questioning what was the actual purpose of Eduardo Mansur's continuing presence on board the Persistence.

Think about it ... Jossy Mansur states that his son had a constant presence on board the Persistence.  Logic dictates that Jossy's words are a reflection of what has been related by Eduardo.  Nothing negative about the chain of custody that the crew of the Persistence had no involvement in. 
.
Kermit ... Kyle Kingman had his suspicions regarding Eduardo being the leak.  Then when you consider that CAPS did a solo dive on the trap and ... then you consider Eduardo's diving abilities ...

Janet

+++++++

JOSSY MANSUR

Jossy Mansur:  No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.


CapsLockWizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 -
« Reply #931 on: December 03, 2008, 04:19:56 AM
»

Another thing , I went to dive a week a go to the same location, and the Cage is still there. If the cage was evidance in a murder case, why is it still in the water.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564838;topicseen#msg564838


Tuscaloosa News
Aruba group seeking divers to search for Natalee Holloway
August 24, 2005


An Aruba group is seeking divers to continue the search for Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teenager who went missing nearly three months ago on the Dutch Caribbean island.

The group wants to lead the divers in exploring waters off Aruba’s east coast, where Holloway was staying with 124 Mountain Brook High School classmates, said Eduardo Mansur, co-founder of the Aruba Search and Rescue Foundation, which has been helping search for the teenager since she vanished May 30.

Although the waters have been searched before, the group wants to try again with the help of a machine invented by an American who claims it can detect human bones and teeth under water, Mansur said. The inventor, Joe Walker, came to Aruba to help in the search, Mansur said.

“We have been working very hard on the case from the beginning,” Mansur said. “We are following all leads.”

Mansur said he and Walker are recruiting local divers. He said they will start when enough divers volunteer.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/08/24/aruba-group-seeking-divers-to-search-for-missing-us-teen/


++++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Kyle Kingman:  For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan


How can Jossy say he didn't know anything about the pond or search etc, but yet his own employee is handing out information to Destiny? Doesn't add up. Eduardo being on the ship is another questionable practice. They let Aruban's on, but not American or FBI. Does that make sense? Not to me.

We do not have stupid tattooed on our foreheads Aruba



I will repeat what I have said from the beginning, Eduardo was on the ship, Jossey was chasing down pond witnesses, which is it? ocean or pond?  I really do not want to think that Jossey had his back against the wall here but something is not right on the pond, witness and then Eduardo on that ship.  JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 16, 2009, 07:30:40 PM
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Good evening Monkey's... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 16, 2009, 07:32:26 PM
Good evening KTF (http://bestsmileys.com/waving/5.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 16, 2009, 07:34:04 PM
Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -  (Read 4577 times) 
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Good evening Monkey's... ::MonkeyWink::


Good afternoon KTF.  Hope you and daughter are o.k.  Nasty little virus you both had.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 07:38:49 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53973.php

Google translation:

Aruba
 
Tourist arrested after brawl

March 16, 2009, 14:43 (-04:00 GMT)

ORANGE CITY - After a fight in nightclub Senor Frogs is an American arrested last weekend. A friend of him was that his injuries treated.
The man was with his friend involved in a fight that ultimately resulted in a brawl. They were striking blows and the Americans were injured. When the police arrived on the spot, they saw that one of them the blood was and that the left side of his face was completely swollen. Agents advised the two to move to the first aid to go. One of them remained 'annoying' and pick a quarrel. The agents had no other choice than him in the store and buoys on the desk to let cool.

Probably my brother-in-law.  I TOLD HIM NOT TO GO.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

Forgot about that!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 16, 2009, 07:40:38 PM
Texasmom, or anyone:

Who is the guy in the 2nd video clip at 3:30.....(these are the dutch production Texasmom posted in the Search for Natalee thread.)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.msg675800#new


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 07:40:56 PM
This was something that stood out for me, too.  I spent some time before looking for a post where I asked if she was off that day, or posting on taxpayer's time.  Her response only asked if I was a teacher,too.  Unfortunately, I didn't find the posts, but it bothered me that she was spending days on this forum, if she really was a guidance counselor/psychologist.   ::MonkeyEek:: 

Hinky meter went off with the Caps enthusiasm from the get-go, too.  jmho

Yes she spends hours upon hours during school posting at these sites.
Is that what a good school guidance counselor should be doing?

If that's who/what she is....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: mytime on March 16, 2009, 07:41:24 PM
excuse me - Klaas, please check your mail!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 16, 2009, 07:42:41 PM
This was something that stood out for me, too.  I spent some time before looking for a post where I asked if she was off that day, or posting on taxpayer's time.  Her response only asked if I was a teacher,too.  Unfortunately, I didn't find the posts, but it bothered me that she was spending days on this forum, if she really was a guidance counselor/psychologist.   ::MonkeyEek:: 

Hinky meter went off with the Caps enthusiasm from the get-go, too.  jmho

Yes she spends hours upon hours during school posting at these sites.
Is that what a good school guidance counselor should be doing?

If that's who/what she is....

Had that thought, too.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 07:44:22 PM
Texasmom, or anyone:

Who is the guy in the 2nd video clip at 3:30.....(these are the dutch production Texasmom posted in the Search for Natalee thread.)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.msg675800#new

The bald guy?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 07:48:35 PM
Texasmom, or anyone:

Who is the guy in the 2nd video clip at 3:30.....(these are the dutch production Texasmom posted in the Search for Natalee thread.)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.msg675800#new

The bald guy?

This guy?  I'm not sure he's been identified if that's the one you mean.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PCrewGrp10.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 16, 2009, 07:48:37 PM
Texasmom, or anyone:

Who is the guy in the 2nd video clip at 3:30.....(these are the dutch production Texasmom posted in the Search for Natalee thread.)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.msg675800#new

The bald guy?

Or shaved head....I thought he looked like Eduardo.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 16, 2009, 07:54:40 PM
Texasmom, or anyone:

Who is the guy in the 2nd video clip at 3:30.....(these are the dutch production Texasmom posted in the Search for Natalee thread.)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.msg675800#new

The bald guy?

This guy?  I'm not sure he's been identified if that's the one you mean.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PCrewGrp10.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/EdwardoCompare.jpg)

Blonde's comparison:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.40


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 08:01:31 PM
Texasmom, or anyone:

Who is the guy in the 2nd video clip at 3:30.....(these are the dutch production Texasmom posted in the Search for Natalee thread.)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.msg675800#new

The bald guy?

This guy?  I'm not sure he's been identified if that's the one you mean.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PCrewGrp10.jpg)

I'm thinking maybe this is the same guy?
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/perstrap3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 16, 2009, 08:06:26 PM
I think you may be right about that, texasmom. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 08:10:54 PM
I think you may be right about that, texasmom. 



I'm not positive, but I think he could possibly be one of the crew seen loading the boat prior to the departure from Louisiana.  It's in the news clips on the prior page of the Ocean thread, but they don't really zoom in on the one that I think could be him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 08:23:29 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2009, 08:27:43 PM
excuse me - Klaas, please check your mail!!

Thought I answered you already?  Send again maybe it got lost or something.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 08:28:50 PM
I think you may be right about that, texasmom. 



I'm not positive, but I think he could possibly be one of the crew seen loading the boat prior to the departure from Louisiana.  It's in the news clips on the prior page of the Ocean thread, but they don't really zoom in on the one that I think could be him.

This is not a very good shot at all, but the guy on the far left is who I think may be him.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/KATC%20KLFY%20COVERAGE/KATC_LoadingPersistence_3-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 16, 2009, 08:29:59 PM
I think you may be right about that, texasmom. 



I'm not positive, but I think he could possibly be one of the crew seen loading the boat prior to the departure from Louisiana.  It's in the news clips on the prior page of the Ocean thread, but they don't really zoom in on the one that I think could be him.

I think I know the one you are talking about but I didn't find it.  My mind was set on that being Eduardo....maybe he was in Louisiana.    ::MonkeyHaHa:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 16, 2009, 08:32:35 PM
I think you may be right about that, texasmom. 



I'm not positive, but I think he could possibly be one of the crew seen loading the boat prior to the departure from Louisiana.  It's in the news clips on the prior page of the Ocean thread, but they don't really zoom in on the one that I think could be him.

This is not a very good shot at all, but the guy on the far left is who I think may be him.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/KATC%20KLFY%20COVERAGE/KATC_LoadingPersistence_3-1.jpg)

Yes, looks like him, and he hasn't shaved his head.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 08:38:57 PM
I think you may be right about that, texasmom. 



I'm not positive, but I think he could possibly be one of the crew seen loading the boat prior to the departure from Louisiana.  It's in the news clips on the prior page of the Ocean thread, but they don't really zoom in on the one that I think could be him.

I think I know the one you are talking about but I didn't find it.  My mind was set on that being Eduardo....maybe he was in Louisiana.    ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Me too!!

He sure looks like Eduardo when compared with that wedding picture.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2009, 08:59:37 PM
I think you may be right about that, texasmom. 



I'm not positive, but I think he could possibly be one of the crew seen loading the boat prior to the departure from Louisiana.  It's in the news clips on the prior page of the Ocean thread, but they don't really zoom in on the one that I think could be him.

I think I know the one you are talking about but I didn't find it.  My mind was set on that being Eduardo....maybe he was in Louisiana.    ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Me too!!

He sure looks like Eduardo when compared with that wedding picture.

Janet

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/EdwardoCompare.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 09:12:09 PM
jen 3560
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #802 2/21/08 -
« Reply #469 on: February 23, 2009, 01:11:24 PM »


This addresses both the increased grid size, and Tim Miller being removed from Persistence.

Just so nothing is accused of being taken out of context, before Kyle's informative post - I also included MY OWN to him with some questions.  If Tim approached Silvetti with this action plan Tim and Kyle discussed, that may have been the final catalyst that had Tim ejected from the Persistence by Silvetti:

posted by me:

Hey Kyle, I have a question.

I know you've never told us the reason that Tim Miller was no longer welcome onboard the Persistence.

I'm just wondering if that timing coincided with Silvetti's sudden lack of interest in that trap and its contents?

The timing seems about right, from what we've been able to piece together.

Did John and Tim have the same difference of opinion that you and John had?

Haven't seen you here for a bit Kyle - hope everything is going well for you. 


kyle wrote:

You're correct. This occurred on Dec 30th when the Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present). After the Dec 30th dive John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee. Although likely true, it was premature and should have been replaced with action- seeing that the evidence was collected and handled properly.

I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.

On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it. I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me. After the Jan 7th Dive I got off the boat for R&R from the 9th-14th at the Holiday Inn.

Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean". Meanwhile I'm standing on the beach watching the Dutch Coast Guard at the trap site for 42 and 45 minutes respectively over two days (11-12th). When I got back to the Hotel on the 11th and 12th after seeing the coasties out there I told John. He didn't want to hear it and didn't believe it. However, a couple weeks later he told me he looked into it by talking to Richardson who said "...not to worry, the Coast Guard doesn't have dive capabilities".


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4574.msg686880#msg686880


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 09:14:07 PM
 ::MonkeyConfused::

I agree on these being Eduardo.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/EdwardoCompare.jpg)


Are you saying these are pictures of Eduardo also?

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PCrewGrp10.jpg)
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/perstrap3.jpg)







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 09:19:35 PM


Don't make me pull a CBB....I'll do it!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 09:27:46 PM
I was just kidding but now you've forced my hand.... ::MonkeyWaa::

here goes.....

AHHHHHH HHHHHEEEMMM

(1) Yes, they are all pictures of Eduardo.

(2) I don't know

(3) I don't know, and could care less.

(4) The first two are Eduardo, not sure about the others.

(5) Not sure who any of them are.

(6) Hi TM, how are you?  Heard it was a beautiful day in your neighborhood today!

(7) Other, please explain your answer.

(8.)  You've been looking at pictures too long, say goodnight TM.

 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 16, 2009, 09:27:48 PM
OT ~ Excuse, please...Klaas PM 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 16, 2009, 09:30:57 PM
OT ~ Excuse, please...Klaas PM 

bump


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 09:31:21 PM
I was just kidding but now you've forced my hand.... ::MonkeyWaa::

here goes.....

AHHHHHH HHHHHEEEMMM

(1) Yes, they are all pictures of Eduardo.

(2) I don't know

(3) I don't know, and could care less.

(4) The first two are Eduardo, not sure about the others.

(5) Not sure who any of them are.

(6) Hi TM, how are you?  Heard it was a beautiful day in your neighborhood today!

(7) Other, please explain your answer.

(8.)  You've been looking at pictures too long, say goodnight TM.

 ::MonkeyWink::

 ::cartwheel::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 09:35:14 PM
I was just kidding but now you've forced my hand.... ::MonkeyWaa::

here goes.....

AHHHHHH HHHHHEEEMMM

(1) Yes, they are all pictures of Eduardo.

(2) I don't know

(3) I don't know, and could care less.

(4) The first two are Eduardo, not sure about the others.

(5) Not sure who any of them are.

(6) Hi TM, how are you?  Heard it was a beautiful day in your neighborhood today!

(7) Other, please explain your answer.

(8.)  You've been looking at pictures too long, say goodnight TM.

 ::MonkeyWink::

 ::cartwheel::

Janet

Thanks Janet!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

I'm good...a little tired but good.  I hope you had a great day!  It was a beautiful day today!  I should have spent more time outside, and away from this computer!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 09:40:17 PM
Texasmom

If one of those pictures were taken in Louisiana ... then maybe the Eduardo lookalike could have been one of these replacement survey team members that joined the crew in January.

Janet

+++++


The Search of Natalee Holloway

XIII. Stay the Course
Tues 22-Jan 0915 hrs


The Persistence left the dock this morning at 0600 hrs, heading out to deep water. Last night, four replacement survey team members flew in to join the Persistence to relieve crew who has been here since the beginning, over a month ago

Posted by Kyle Kingman

http://www.nholloway.blogspot.com/
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/01/xiii-stay-course.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 09:42:30 PM
Gold Monkey Chat Bar 9 Users Active:

Carnut, Sam, Lalas, yap, Siamese, daphne, CP, BTButt, casa,

 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 09:43:43 PM
Texasmom

If one of those pictures were taken in Louisiana ... then maybe the Eduardo lookalike could have been one of these replacement survey team members that joined the crew in January.

Janet

+++++


The Search of Natalee Holloway

XIII. Stay the Course
Tues 22-Jan 0915 hrs


The Persistence left the dock this morning at 0600 hrs, heading out to deep water. Last night, four replacement survey team members flew in to join the Persistence to relieve crew who has been here since the beginning, over a month ago

Posted by Kyle Kingman

http://www.nholloway.blogspot.com/
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/01/xiii-stay-course.html

Thank you Janet.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 16, 2009, 09:47:29 PM
::MonkeyConfused::

I agree on these being Eduardo.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/EdwardoCompare.jpg)


Are you saying these are pictures of Eduardo also?

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PCrewGrp10.jpg)
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/perstrap3.jpg)







TM, I agree also.  Both pictures look like the same person to me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 16, 2009, 09:51:34 PM
In the one with the trap he would have to be in Aruba, right?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 10:02:16 PM
In the one with the trap he would have to be in Aruba, right?

Yes, that one is in Aruba.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 10:28:12 PM
San, 2NJSons_Mom, wreck, Tamikosmom, Keepthefaith, Blue Moon, SuzieQ, AZSunny, texasmom, snoopy and 12 Guests

Good Evening Monkeys and Guests!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 16, 2009, 10:29:45 PM
::MonkeyConfused::

I agree on these being Eduardo.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/EdwardoCompare.jpg)


Are you saying these are pictures of Eduardo also?

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PCrewGrp10.jpg)
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/perstrap3.jpg)







TM, I agree also.  Both pictures look like the same person to me.

TM, I had to relinquish computer to DH for a bit.  I believe I said I thought all could be Eduardo earlier.  I just cannot prove it.  The man/men in these photos seem to look similar to me.  It's jmo.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 16, 2009, 10:36:07 PM
San, 2NJSons_Mom, wreck, Tamikosmom, Keepthefaith, Blue Moon, SuzieQ, AZSunny, texasmom, snoopy and 12 Guests

Good Evening Monkeys and Guests!

 ::MonkeyCool::

what's happenin Monkey's???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 10:38:45 PM
::MonkeyConfused::

I agree on these being Eduardo.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/EdwardoCompare.jpg)


Are you saying these are pictures of Eduardo also?

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PCrewGrp10.jpg)
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/perstrap3.jpg)







TM, I agree also.  Both pictures look like the same person to me.

TM, I had to relinquish computer to DH for a bit.  I believe I said I thought all could be Eduardo earlier.  I just cannot prove it.  The man/men in these photos seem to look similar to me.  It's jmo.   
I Agree 2NJ...They look Similar to Me too.....Can't be sure that They are the same though... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 10:41:57 PM
San, 2NJSons_Mom, wreck, Tamikosmom, Keepthefaith, Blue Moon, SuzieQ, AZSunny, texasmom, snoopy and 12 Guests

Good Evening Monkeys and Guests!

 ::MonkeyCool::

what's happenin Monkey's???
Not much KTF.....I've Been Dancing with the Stars! lol  ::MonkeyWink:: I just wish They would do a good ole Texas Two Step! ....  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 16, 2009, 10:49:23 PM
San, 2NJSons_Mom, wreck, Tamikosmom, Keepthefaith, Blue Moon, SuzieQ, AZSunny, texasmom, snoopy and 12 Guests

Good Evening Monkeys and Guests!

 ::MonkeyCool::

what's happenin Monkey's???
Not much KTF.....I've Been Dancing with the Stars! lol  ::MonkeyWink:: I just wish They would do a good ole Texas Two Step! ....  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://bestsmileys.com/dancing/7.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 16, 2009, 10:51:53 PM
San, 2NJSons_Mom, wreck, Tamikosmom, Keepthefaith, Blue Moon, SuzieQ, AZSunny, texasmom, snoopy and 12 Guests

Good Evening Monkeys and Guests!

 ::MonkeyCool::

what's happenin Monkey's???
Not much KTF.....I've Been Dancing with the Stars! lol  ::MonkeyWink:: I just wish They would do a good ole Texas Two Step! ....  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I did that, too, while DH had control of the computer.  Believe it or not, there was a family member who knew how to do the two step.....I didn't follow well.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks, about the Eduardo - is he or isn't he - issue.  Hey, if he's a diver, maybe he got a job with Silvetti before the search started....and maybe I'm full of donkey dust.  I'm open to anything, at this time....so much has been thrown on the table.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 10:56:24 PM
San, 2NJSons_Mom, wreck, Tamikosmom, Keepthefaith, Blue Moon, SuzieQ, AZSunny, texasmom, snoopy and 12 Guests

Good Evening Monkeys and Guests!

 ::MonkeyCool::

what's happenin Monkey's???
Not much KTF.....I've Been Dancing with the Stars! lol  ::MonkeyWink:: I just wish They would do a good ole Texas Two Step! ....  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://bestsmileys.com/dancing/7.gif)
Thanks MuffyBee! Yee Haw!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 10:58:20 PM
Eduardo
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PersistenceAruba100.jpg)

Are these Eduardo too?
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PersistenceAruba102.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PersistenceAruba094.jpg)

Far right
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PersistenceAruba075.jpg)

On the right
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PersistenceAruba074.jpg)

On the left
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PersistenceAruba071.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 16, 2009, 11:00:28 PM
Eduardo
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PersistenceAruba100.jpg)

Are these Eduardo too?
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PersistenceAruba102.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PersistenceAruba094.jpg)

Far right
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PersistenceAruba075.jpg)

On the right
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PersistenceAruba074.jpg)

On the left
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PersistenceAruba071.jpg)


The man in the still you took from the Dutch video looks more like Eduardo to me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: San on March 16, 2009, 11:00:46 PM
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Good Evening Monkeys and Guests!

 ::MonkeyCool::

Hello to everyone.  I saw a few people say hello and I didn't want you to think I was ignoring you.  :smt006


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 16, 2009, 11:03:14 PM
::MonkeyConfused::

I agree on these being Eduardo.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/EdwardoCompare.jpg)


Are you saying these are pictures of Eduardo also?

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PCrewGrp10.jpg)
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/perstrap3.jpg)







2nd pic...looks like Eduardo to me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 11:07:54 PM
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Good Evening Monkeys and Guests!

 ::MonkeyCool::

what's happenin Monkey's???
Not much KTF.....I've Been Dancing with the Stars! lol  ::MonkeyWink:: I just wish They would do a good ole Texas Two Step! ....  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I did that, too, while DH had control of the computer.  Believe it or not, there was a family member who knew how to do the two step.....I didn't follow well.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks, about the Eduardo - is he or isn't he - issue.  Hey, if he's a diver, maybe he got a job with Silvetti before the search started....and maybe I'm full of donkey dust.  I'm open to anything, at this time....so much has been thrown on the table.

2NJ.... I Believe that prior to the search anything could have been happening....including Silvetti and/or Schaefer  knowing the Mansurs.....JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: snoopy on March 16, 2009, 11:08:40 PM
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Good Evening Monkeys and Guests!

 ::MonkeyCool::

Howdy hotping!!  Hope you had a wonderful Birthday.

I don't have much to say.  The revelations these past few weeks have left me awful disappointed in some people.  Doesn't matter though.  You guys are doing an amazing job.  I'm here as much as I can be to offer my quiet support.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 11:09:21 PM
Thanks 2NJ!  



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 11:12:58 PM
San, 2NJSons_Mom, wreck, Tamikosmom, Keepthefaith, Blue Moon, SuzieQ, AZSunny, texasmom, snoopy and 12 Guests

Good Evening Monkeys and Guests!

 ::MonkeyCool::

Howdy hotping!!  Hope you had a wonderful Birthday.

I don't have much to say.  The revelations these past few weeks have left me awful disappointed in some people.  Doesn't matter though.  You guys are doing an amazing job.  I'm here as much as I can be to offer my quiet support.
Thank You Snoopy...I did have a Wonderful Birthday and its All Thanks to My Family and the Monkeys... ::cartwheel::

Jump in anytime and Help Us Out with the research or just to give support... I for one Really Appreciate It!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: San on March 16, 2009, 11:16:42 PM
Have a good night everyone.  Hopefully by tomorrow morning we will be on the new thread  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 16, 2009, 11:18:44 PM
Eduardo
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PersistenceAruba100.jpg)

Are these Eduardo too?
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PersistenceAruba102.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PersistenceAruba094.jpg)

Far right
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PersistenceAruba075.jpg)

On the right
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PersistenceAruba074.jpg)

On the left
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PersistenceAruba071.jpg)

The very first pic looks like Edwardo -- the others -- No (IMO)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 16, 2009, 11:19:02 PM
San, 2NJSons_Mom, wreck, Tamikosmom, Keepthefaith, Blue Moon, SuzieQ, AZSunny, texasmom, snoopy and 12 Guests

Good Evening Monkeys and Guests!

 ::MonkeyCool::

what's happenin Monkey's???
Not much KTF.....I've Been Dancing with the Stars! lol  ::MonkeyWink:: I just wish They would do a good ole Texas Two Step! ....  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I did that, too, while DH had control of the computer.  Believe it or not, there was a family member who knew how to do the two step.....I didn't follow well.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks, about the Eduardo - is he or isn't he - issue.  Hey, if he's a diver, maybe he got a job with Silvetti before the search started....and maybe I'm full of donkey dust.  I'm open to anything, at this time....so much has been thrown on the table.

2NJ.... I Believe that prior to the search anything could have been happening....including Silvetti and/or Schaefer  knowing the Mansurs.....JMO

I agree.  I was even thinking about how many stories were published by Diario while the water search was going on.  I, personally, don't know the answer.  There are a lot of possibilities....cripes...I only brought up the video because we were talking about Jossy saying Eduardo was on board every day.  Just trying to pull something together. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 16, 2009, 11:20:09 PM
Have a good night everyone.  Hopefully by tomorrow morning we will be on the new thread  ::MonkeyHaHa::

What a sport you are!!  Love, ya.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 16, 2009, 11:22:56 PM
Thanks 2NJ!  



Where's, Eduardo?   (jk....thanks for your help)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2009, 11:28:43 PM
Eduardo
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PersistenceAruba100.jpg)

Are these Eduardo too?
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PersistenceAruba102.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PersistenceAruba094.jpg)



Texasmom

I am almost positive the top photo is Eduardo but ... I believe the bottom photo is someone else.  I sure wish there was a photo with both guys in it ... then we would know for sure.

Is Scout and his sister home safe and sound.  Brandi went missing this afternoon.  My hubby said she was following him around the property and ... the next thing he knew she was gone.  GMAB.  A full size Golden Retriever does not vaporize.

Hubby drove around but could not find her and ... about an hour later she was at the door.  I think she may have been at the back of the neighbour's property chase some varmit.

I was upset that hubby was not paying close attention.  Brandi is not street wise and ... I think she is going deaf.  Anyways ... all is well that ends well.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: San on March 16, 2009, 11:29:13 PM
Have a good night everyone.  Hopefully by tomorrow morning we will be on the new thread  ::MonkeyHaHa::

What a sport you are!!  Love, ya.

OK my last contribution  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 16, 2009, 11:32:31 PM
Have a good night everyone.  Hopefully by tomorrow morning we will be on the new thread  ::MonkeyHaHa::

What a sport you are!!  Love, ya.

OK my last contribution  ::MonkeyHaHa::

It's past your bedtime.   :smt015


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 16, 2009, 11:40:07 PM
San, 2NJSons_Mom, wreck, Tamikosmom, Keepthefaith, Blue Moon, SuzieQ, AZSunny, texasmom, snoopy and 12 Guests

Good Evening Monkeys and Guests!

 ::MonkeyCool::

what's happenin Monkey's???
Not much KTF.....I've Been Dancing with the Stars! lol  ::MonkeyWink:: I just wish They would do a good ole Texas Two Step! ....  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: I have to listen to Dancing with the Stars while i'm on the computer..It's a girlfriend thing...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 16, 2009, 11:46:57 PM
San, 2NJSons_Mom, wreck, Tamikosmom, Keepthefaith, Blue Moon, SuzieQ, AZSunny, texasmom, snoopy and 12 Guests

Good Evening Monkeys and Guests!

 ::MonkeyCool::

what's happenin Monkey's???
Not much KTF.....I've Been Dancing with the Stars! lol  ::MonkeyWink:: I just wish They would do a good ole Texas Two Step! ....  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: I have to listen to Dancing with the Stars while i'm on the computer..It's a girlfriend thing...
AAAHHHH...You Poor Thing.....But I bet She's Worth It!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 16, 2009, 11:48:09 PM
San, 2NJSons_Mom, wreck, Tamikosmom, Keepthefaith, Blue Moon, SuzieQ, AZSunny, texasmom, snoopy and 12 Guests

Good Evening Monkeys and Guests!

 ::MonkeyCool::

what's happenin Monkey's???
Not much KTF.....I've Been Dancing with the Stars! lol  ::MonkeyWink:: I just wish They would do a good ole Texas Two Step! ....  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: I have to listen to Dancing with the Stars while i'm on the computer..It's a girlfriend thing...
AAAHHHH...You Poor Thing.....But I bet She's Worth It!  ::MonkeyWink::

Sure is!I prefer Little People,Big World!I have to record and watch tomorrow!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 16, 2009, 11:48:12 PM
G'nite, everyone.  See you later.

I feel confident that if you get chatty and get to 50 tonight, Klaas will be here for you.  (or perhaps one of our night owl mods, as well ;) )

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2009, 11:49:31 PM
Nite 2NJ - I'll keep and eye on things  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 11:53:09 PM
snip


Texasmom

I am almost positive the top photo is Eduardo but ... I believe the bottom photo is someone else.  I sure wish there was a photo with both guys in it ... then we would know for sure.

Is Scout and his sister home safe and sound.  Brandi went missing this afternoon.  My hubby said she was following him around the property and ... the next thing he knew she was gone.  GMAB.  A full size Golden Retriever does not vaporize.

Hubby drove around but could not find her and ... about an hour later she was at the door.  I think she may have been at the back of the neighbour's property chase some varmit.

I was upset that hubby was not paying close attention.  Brandi is not street wise and ... I think she is going deaf.  Anyways ... all is well that ends well.

Janet

Janet,

My heart skipped a beat when I read that Brandi was missing!  I'm sooooo glad she's home safe now.  Scout and her sister are both fine.  They both got to run and herd the horses in the sunshine today, so all is well in their world!  My only problem is they are both shedding their winter coats, and I think I could "hair" another dog with what they've shed.  It's really on my nerves!  ::MonkeyHaHa::
I think tomorrow they will both get another bath and a good brushing, and maybe...just maybe I can get all the loose hair off of them.  By the way, did I say they are absolutely the sweetest, most beautiful girl shelties you've ever seen?   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2009, 11:54:41 PM


Goodnight San and 2NJ!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 16, 2009, 11:57:17 PM
oh I love dancing with the stars but had to watch while I worked putting data into an online tool, so can't say I watched or listened well.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Interesting night again, NJ Sons Mom I think you are right, that yahoo personal will get increased visibility here - I just wish we could add a buyer beware alert to it!

I can't get out of my mind's eye a CnG post by yapperz where an SM poster's real name to include their maiden name, was posted to be reviewed/digested/retained with other posters that are not friends to those who post at SM. I reviewed the copy I have again tonight.......

Everyone at GM isn't bad? No not everyone there does those types of things but the kermit thread is surely tucked safely away in their hidey hole now. Of course when I was there I wasn't ever privy to that area of the forum, do you wonder why?

mytime, you are lucky also, for when I asked for my account to be deactivated it wasn't for six months. They had to vote me off the island in their feeble attempt to exert control and play their childish games. It was also unanimous so in good southernspeak I ain't no fool  ::MonkeyWink::

I have zero tolerance for the entire bunch.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 17, 2009, 12:08:40 AM
Lifesong

I'm Glad to see You....I'm stumped what can I do to help with the timeline...What info can I gather? What topics need work? Priortize them for Me...Please TIA  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 17, 2009, 12:16:58 AM


I'm off to watch "The Other Boleyn Girl".  Be back later.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 17, 2009, 12:18:15 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 17, 2009, 12:19:43 AM


I'm off to watch "The Other Boleyn Girl".  Be back later.   ::MonkeyCool::

It is a great movie.  A history lesson.  Enjoy!!

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
9:20 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 17, 2009, 12:20:06 AM
Nite Janet and TM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 17, 2009, 12:23:34 AM
Nite Janet and TM
Good Night Janet....I'm Glad Brandi is Alright!

See Ya After the Movie TM!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 17, 2009, 12:30:37 AM
snip


Texasmom

I am almost positive the top photo is Eduardo but ... I believe the bottom photo is someone else.  I sure wish there was a photo with both guys in it ... then we would know for sure.

Is Scout and his sister home safe and sound.  Brandi went missing this afternoon.  My hubby said she was following him around the property and ... the next thing he knew she was gone.  GMAB.  A full size Golden Retriever does not vaporize.

Hubby drove around but could not find her and ... about an hour later she was at the door.  I think she may have been at the back of the neighbour's property chase some varmit.

I was upset that hubby was not paying close attention.  Brandi is not street wise and ... I think she is going deaf.  Anyways ... all is well that ends well.

Janet

Janet,

My heart skipped a beat when I read that Brandi was missing!  I'm sooooo glad she's home safe now.  Scout and her sister are both fine.  They both got to run and herd the horses in the sunshine today, so all is well in their world!  My only problem is they are both shedding their winter coats, and I think I could "hair" another dog with what they've shed.  It's really on my nerves!  ::MonkeyHaHa::
I think tomorrow they will both get another bath and a good brushing, and maybe...just maybe I can get all the loose hair off of them.  By the way, did I say they are absolutely the sweetest, most beautiful girl shelties you've ever seen?   ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

My hubby and youngest son bathed and brushed Brandi last week.  My responsibility was cleaning up  For a couple of weeks prior ... dog hair seem to always be clinging to my clothes.  When I left the house ... I brought along a lint brush.

Considering Brandi is son's pet who was left behind in our care when he got married ... he sprang for a bath, trim and brush at a doggy salon a couple of times this winter.  I tried talking him into taking her again but ... no luck.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 17, 2009, 12:35:59 AM
snip


Texasmom

I am almost positive the top photo is Eduardo but ... I believe the bottom photo is someone else.  I sure wish there was a photo with both guys in it ... then we would know for sure.

Is Scout and his sister home safe and sound.  Brandi went missing this afternoon.  My hubby said she was following him around the property and ... the next thing he knew she was gone.  GMAB.  A full size Golden Retriever does not vaporize.

Hubby drove around but could not find her and ... about an hour later she was at the door.  I think she may have been at the back of the neighbour's property chase some varmit.

I was upset that hubby was not paying close attention.  Brandi is not street wise and ... I think she is going deaf.  Anyways ... all is well that ends well.

Janet

Janet,

My heart skipped a beat when I read that Brandi was missing!  I'm sooooo glad she's home safe now.  Scout and her sister are both fine.  They both got to run and herd the horses in the sunshine today, so all is well in their world!  My only problem is they are both shedding their winter coats, and I think I could "hair" another dog with what they've shed.  It's really on my nerves!  ::MonkeyHaHa::
I think tomorrow they will both get another bath and a good brushing, and maybe...just maybe I can get all the loose hair off of them.  By the way, did I say they are absolutely the sweetest, most beautiful girl shelties you've ever seen?   ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

My hubby and youngest son bathed and brushed Brandi last week.  My responsibility was cleaning up  For a couple of weeks prior ... dog hair seem to always be clinging to my clothes.  When I left the house ... I brought along a lint brush.

Considering Brandi is son's pet who was left behind in our care when he got married ... he sprang for a bath, trim and brush at a doggy salon a couple of times this winter.  I tried talking him into taking her again but ... no luck.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet
Sounds like You need a Furminator.....Seriously They work really Well for pets with a long coat....www.furminator.com Check it out.... ::MonkeyWink::   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 - 3/17/09am
Post by: Anna on March 17, 2009, 12:45:45 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/HPIM2226.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/HPIM2224.jpg)

It's the Annual Blooming of my Pear Trees!  Also helping Klaas get to Page 50.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 - 3/17/09am
Post by: klaasend on March 17, 2009, 12:46:48 AM
Thanks Anna, those are beautiful.  We don't' have anything as nice as that out here in Calif.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 - 3/17/09am
Post by: Anna on March 17, 2009, 12:49:03 AM
I planted all those and more, total of 72, myself and not according to my kids, I should move and leave them! 

Well, at least I won't have to worry about yard work in an apartment.  Will be more time for me.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 17, 2009, 12:51:05 AM
Lifesong

I'm Glad to see You....I'm stumped what can I do to help with the timeline...What info can I gather? What topics need work? Priortize them for Me...Please TIA  ::MonkeyCool::

Hotping,

I've just been spending time in the old threads, it's amazing the links to revisit and what you come across.   It's also interesting to read along with a new eye (hindsight) and watch for patterns and posts that stick out.

We still don't have the Venezuela project Mermis got for Kaplan - I'd like to know more about that, if only to rule out any Silvetti/Schaeffer subcontracts on the project.

I would also love to a see a flow chart of the players - who's connected to who and how.  That might be very telling.  I have a feeling we'd end up with some interesting names in the middle.

Other than that, maybe Kermit will give us a nudge?




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 - 3/17/09am
Post by: Anna on March 17, 2009, 12:51:08 AM
I didn't plant them all in one year but over four or five years, just all in a row together at one time so they would be the same.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 - 3/17/09am
Post by: cajun miracle on March 17, 2009, 12:53:24 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/HPIM2226.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/HPIM2224.jpg)

It's the Annual Blooming of my Pear Trees!  Also helping Klaas get to Page 50.

Anna, These are beautiful. Trying to help get to 50. Hope that everyone had a great weekend.
Late Happy Birthday to Hotping!

Cajun Miracle


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 - 3/17/09am
Post by: hotping on March 17, 2009, 12:54:58 AM
Anna.... The trees are Beautiful.....All I have in My Yard is Pecans and Oaks...Not Much Color but They are Huge.....I Do have Azaleas but they will not Bloom until April..... They are Orange Blooms.....My Pansies have some life left but probably not much with the weather warming up..... 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 - 3/17/09am
Post by: hotping on March 17, 2009, 12:58:50 AM
Thank You Cajun Miracle My 53rd Birthday was Fabulous!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 - 3/17/09am
Post by: cajun miracle on March 17, 2009, 12:59:29 AM
Good Nite All!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 - 3/17/09am
Post by: cajun miracle on March 17, 2009, 01:00:38 AM
Thank You Cajun Miracle My 53rd Birthday was Fabulous!  ::MonkeyDance::

That's great and congrats!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 - 3/17/09am
Post by: Anna on March 17, 2009, 01:01:00 AM
Hotping, I have a couple of big oaks in my back yard but am sort of afraid to post them because the trunks are painted and you know how painted things like that set some people off!

Thought about painting the rocks, too, lol.


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/HPIM2225.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 - 3/17/09am
Post by: klaasend on March 17, 2009, 01:01:37 AM
We need about 3 more posts  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 - 3/17/09am
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 17, 2009, 01:04:06 AM
We need about 3 more posts  ::MonkeyCool::

M'kay. Count me in.    ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 17, 2009, 01:04:25 AM
Lifesong

I'm Glad to see You....I'm stumped what can I do to help with the timeline...What info can I gather? What topics need work? Priortize them for Me...Please TIA  ::MonkeyCool::

Hotping,

I've just been spending time in the old threads, it's amazing the links to revisit and what you come across.   It's also interesting to read along with a new eye (hindsight) and watch for patterns and posts that stick out.

We still don't have the Venezuela project Mermis got for Kaplan - I'd like to know more about that, if only to rule out any Silvetti/Schaeffer subcontracts on the project.

I would also love to a see a flow chart of the players - who's connected to who and how.  That might be very telling.  I have a feeling we'd end up with some interesting names in the middle.

Other than that, maybe Kermit will give us a nudge?



I will see what I can find on the Venezuela project Mermis got for Kaplan and I'm also checking out some other connections with Greg Landry from Kemah who was mentioned in the search with the Persistence.....I'm sure Him and Schaefer are buddies...maybe Silvetti too....  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 - 3/17/09am
Post by: klaasend on March 17, 2009, 01:07:06 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/moderator%20pics/MODLOCK1.gif)

Please move to NCD# 808

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4697.0