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Title: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7 3/14/09 - 3/18/09
Post by: klaasend on March 14, 2009, 03:44:05 PM
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Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 14, 2009, 05:38:05 PM
 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 05:38:56 PM
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Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 14, 2009, 05:39:50 PM



Great pictures, Klass

 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 14, 2009, 05:41:36 PM


Is it okay to say that I don't think it was Ron or Misty ? This has something to do with the drug culture that they were surrounded in ? more to say on my opinion but I want to see if I get blasted first .

Please say your opinion Alagary, they are like a$$holes, everyone has one.  (In here some have more than 1)

not sure how to take that ,should I shut Up ?



Please don't shut up, Alagary.  Spill it, Mister..... (or Mrs?)   :-)

I was just guessing that Alagary = ALA like alabama and Gary like a dude's name... cuz I'm all curious and nosy like that.  :-)

 ::MonkeyDance::




Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 14, 2009, 05:43:16 PM



I give up. I meant two "A's" in Klaas, not two "S's"

*sigh me*





Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 14, 2009, 06:07:22 PM
Thanks . ok they are obviously dopers , before and on the news . waayy back when  I knew people that I would let nowhere near my house now . With ron getting nolo on all his charges it's not hard to see what happened . He highly ticked someone off .  afraid to to talk about it but now he sees the benifits . Makes me sick to think I might be right but the videos speak for themselves .. somebody had to say it .

I agree Alagary, it sure could have been someone Ron pizzzzed off!  Would sure explain why Ron was immediately angry at 'them', how he seemed to instantly know that they 'stole' his daughter.  It's like he knew something that he sure wasn't saying.  His reaction was sooooo over the top, starting with that 911 call.  If not druggies bent on the revenge, then who was the 'them/they' that he was so very angry with?   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 14, 2009, 06:09:11 PM

Rana.. bringing this over from the last thread, in case you didn't see it...

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Hey Rana, don't be shy now, please tell us, do you think it couldn't have been an intruder?    ::MonkeyHaHa::

j/k!!

Wow!  That was the most complete list I've ever seen!  Whew!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: klaasend on March 14, 2009, 06:09:49 PM



Great pictures, Klass

 


Brandi created that one, it's really nice. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 14, 2009, 06:19:48 PM


Quote
Quote: Wyks

Hey Rana, don't be shy now, please tell us, do you think it couldn't have been an intruder?   

j/k!! 



Don't encourage me, Wyks!    ::MonkeyLaugh::

I could get on the intruder train, but how did they get in and out etc? (No, really.. I'm seriously asking)
:-) OK I'm officially retiring the ranty rant now. (Well, better late then never; sheesh)  :-)

__________________________________________________________

Hey ! I found my previous "Day One" mile long ranty rant.

Release the doves !
.   ::MonkeyLaugh::

(Boo! Hiss! Groan...)   

(the red is over the top, rana; Gah, you're so annoying.)

There are many things to try to keep straight in my head and I'm sure I'm forgetting something. Or if I have said something incorrectly here, tripped on a word or factor or detail - just set me straight on the sequence of events etc.... if I get something out of order or forget something  - no problem.

Just trying to wrap my brain around it all. Sorry this is long.

Any monkey... please feel free to add to it, tweak it, or omit from it.... or tell me to shove it. (I get that a lot - heh.)   

(You're a total snore, rana; Hows about you take a delivery to SHUTTY industries?)

Why is it hard for it to be an intruder? (imo)

No car motor heard approaching
No odd car seen approaching- (not many ways IN and out of that place right?)
No car lights seen approaching

No boat motor heard approaching
No boat lights seen approaching

No one seen approaching, carrying a flashlight to light his way on foot even in full moonlight in tall dense woods - thick, tall trees may obscure some moonlight
added light may be especially needed to navigate through yard with toys and cinderblocks etc at night

No tripping over toys in yard at night if on foot
Knows where to find cinderblock..... in the dark

Did he carry a waepon and a flashlight?
Did he even carry a weapon?
What if he ran into someone?
With no weapon was he going to chat or ask to use the phone and pretend he had car trouble?

Where's the car?
Out on the road?
How far?

Was he going to use bare hands to overpower whoever he encountered if anyone?
Isn't that risky as far as leaving evidence?
And witnesses?

Was he prepared to kill whoever he encountered, if anyone?
Was he okay with leaving witnesses?
Why is he OK with that?
 
Manages to get into the mobile home with "for sure" locked doors (back and front (and side) were said to be locked, right?)
No signs of forced entry
No obvious signs or prints, dirty shoes... anything
No tire tracks

Props open the back screen door "with a brick"
either enters thru that inner door
or goes AROUND and uses a different door to enter
If so, he closes and locks other door (** that is, if door other than "back" door was used for entrance)

** (IOW it appears that he left by the "back door"
but it hasn't been confirmed which way he came IN (has it?)
 but I'm covering both scenarios in the list here)

Knows where kitchen light switch is among several switches
Did he get lucky?
Or he try them all?
Did he KNOW which switch it was ?
Or was he never there and so tried none of them?

He brazenly (IMO) turns on the kitchen light
No dirt, sand, or footprints on the laundry on the floor
He knows to step over it?
Or he was never there to step over it?

He KNOWS the 5 yr old female is in the master bedroom
NOT in her own bedroom
Or he was rummaging through the house looking for Haleigh's room?
This room? nope?
This room? nope?

Not running into any furniture in the dark
Not turninig on any other lights, Why?
Did he know his way around in the dark or coudl he see from only the light shining to other rooms from the kithen?
Not bumping into - knocking over any items
Not making a noise

Knows Daddy is not home
Knows what TIME Daddy is not home

Knows babysitter/girlfriend/bride is not armed with a glock to blow his head off
Knows baby sitter/girlfriend/bride does not have friends over particularly male who would get in the way

Goes into correct bedroom where all were sleeping
"Steals" Haleigh w/o a peep

No evidence of a struggle
No scream from Haleigh
No scream from Jr.
No scream from babysitter/girlfriend/ bride
(I could see maybe getting past one... two.. of them w/o a scream, but all three?)
No disturbing or waking babysitter/girlfriend/bride

Gets out with child in hand without a peep
A child screams at a stranger lifting her from her bed at night?
doesn't she?

Why didn't she scream? Maybe she couldnt scream
Did he chloroform her?
So he was carrying out the chloroform and the child and the flashlight and the weapon if any?

Did he tape her mouth?
Did he bring tape and carry it out too with the child and the flashlight and the weapon, if any?

Did he bring only just enough tape and not the whole roll?
Wouldn't a strip of tape stick to itself if it weren't on the roll?
Did he borrow tape already there?
He knew there was tape?
He knew where there was tape?
Did he rummage thru the drawers?

Did he strike her unconscious?
With what?
Did he bring a weapon to strike her?
Is that the same weaon he would have used for adult encounters if any?
Did he use an item in the home?
If so, no blood or hair on the item?

Was she asleep the whole time?
yes, IMO inside the home she could have remained asleep as someone carried her
But wasn't it colder outside?
Doesn't a shock of cold air wake a person or rouse them?

It was 50-something degrees at 7 PM;
What colder temperature was it after 7 PM?

So when the cold air hit her as he carried her outside, she didn't wake from the colder air and get terrified by some stranger removing her from her bed?

Did he put a coat on her?
Is a coat missing?

Did he wrap her in the bedding?
Is the bedding missing?

He leaves the inner door "WIDE open"
But the inner door has a slow swing auto close
Is that auto closer customary on mobile home INNER doors BTW?

No car motor heard starting
No odd car seen leaving - (again, not many ways IN and out of that place right? Risky choice, that. A home with many escape routes is less risky)
No car lights seen leaving

People have commented that it is customary in this local mobile home community to have people coming and going at all hours b/c of the popularity of shift work ie the best (higher paying) job opportunites in shift work particular to this community (construction, hospitals? diners? I cant recall them all etc) Yet no one saw anything that we know of

No boat motor heard starting or idling or whatever waiting boats do
No boat lights seen leaving

If on foot, no light seen from flashlight
No one sees he's leaving with child in hand, carrying a child and flashlight adn perhaps a weapon - lighting his way on foot to navigate back through yard at night on the way out

Is he able to hop even a slow moving train while holding a child?
Don't you need both hands to heave yourself into the train car?

Does he have a camp setup in the woods?

What a cavalier RSO/stranger/abductor who must have "stolen" Haleigh.

**sad sigh**

Then there's Misty's part .... the bathroom, the blankets, the drink of water, the who-slept-where;
Why did Misty get up?
What was she wearing when Ron got home etc

Then Ron's part... his getting home; I'm not sure, but I think I recall that Ron was at work.  (/ TM Alagary)  :-)   

I don't know.... **sigh**





Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 06:21:06 PM
Thanks . ok they are obviously dopers , before and on the news . waayy back when  I knew people that I would let nowhere near my house now . With ron getting nolo on all his charges it's not hard to see what happened . He highly ticked someone off .  afraid to to talk about it but now he sees the benifits . Makes me sick to think I might be right but the videos speak for themselves .. somebody had to say it .

I agree Alagary, it sure could have been someone Ron pizzzzed off!  Would sure explain why Ron was immediately angry at 'them', how he seemed to instantly know that they 'stole' his daughter.  It's like he knew something that he sure wasn't saying.  His reaction was sooooo over the top, starting with that 911 call.  If not druggies bent on the revenge, then who was the 'them/they' that he was so very angry with?   ::MonkeyEek::


This theory has always puzzled me~usually dopers don't kill those related to those that have pizzed them off, although I know of at least 3 cases where it has happened, I guess my theory if this is the case would be that Ron did steal from some dealer etc., they knew his work hours and that he wouldn't be home when they went to retrieve them from the trailer......one problem, Haleigh hears someone coming in and assumes it's her dad, she myabe recognizes them and so they have no choice but to take her. They would be more efficient in hiding her alive or otherwise than Misty would.............ideas, nanner throwing, it's all ok just trying to theorize. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 14, 2009, 06:33:37 PM


FWIW, this page/site has Putnam County (and other) crimes, arrests,  "definitions" of crimes, etc. Altho it says, "Crime 2000," it also has a notation at the bottom that the page was last modifed April 20, 2007.  :-)

Crimes Reported in Putnam County Florida- Fed Stats

http://www.fedstats.gov/mapstats/crime/county/12107.html (http://www.fedstats.gov/mapstats/crime/county/12107.html)





Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 14, 2009, 06:37:06 PM
This theory has always puzzled me~usually dopers don't kill those related to those that have pizzed them off, although I know of at least 3 cases where it has happened, I guess my theory if this is the case would be that Ron did steal from some dealer etc., they knew his work hours and that he wouldn't be home when they went to retrieve them from the trailer......one problem, Haleigh hears someone coming in and assumes it's her dad, she myabe recognizes them and so they have no choice but to take her. They would be more efficient in hiding her alive or otherwise than Misty would.............ideas, nanner throwing, it's all ok just trying to theorize. ::MonkeyTongue::
Possible theory there IM, I can go down that road with you.  I always agree that I can not see it happening over dope, but maybe over something a little more "expensive" like coke, meth, or x.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 06:40:37 PM
This theory has always puzzled me~usually dopers don't kill those related to those that have pizzed them off, although I know of at least 3 cases where it has happened, I guess my theory if this is the case would be that Ron did steal from some dealer etc., they knew his work hours and that he wouldn't be home when they went to retrieve them from the trailer......one problem, Haleigh hears someone coming in and assumes it's her dad, she myabe recognizes them and so they have no choice but to take her. They would be more efficient in hiding her alive or otherwise than Misty would.............ideas, nanner throwing, it's all ok just trying to theorize. ::MonkeyTongue::
Possible theory there IM, I can go down that road with you.  I always agree that I can not see it happening over dope, but maybe over something a little more "expensive" like coke, meth, or x.

Yep~and he has an arrest record for both of cocaine and meth......I can follow your hub's theory along with this, and also regarding the Misty holding something over his head to get him to marry her.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 14, 2009, 06:42:52 PM
This theory has always puzzled me~usually dopers don't kill those related to those that have pizzed them off, although I know of at least 3 cases where it has happened, I guess my theory if this is the case would be that Ron did steal from some dealer etc., they knew his work hours and that he wouldn't be home when they went to retrieve them from the trailer......one problem, Haleigh hears someone coming in and assumes it's her dad, she myabe recognizes them and so they have no choice but to take her. They would be more efficient in hiding her alive or otherwise than Misty would.............ideas, nanner throwing, it's all ok just trying to theorize. ::MonkeyTongue::
Possible theory there IM, I can go down that road with you.  I always agree that I can not see it happening over dope, but maybe over something a little more "expensive" like coke, meth, or x.

Yep~and he has an arrest record for both of cocaine and meth......I can follow your hub's theory along with this, and also regarding the Misty holding something over his head to get him to marry her.
I wonder if they have tested any of Misty, Ron, or even Jr's clothing for meth residue.  From what I understand if a person has been exposed to it or the cooking, the debris from cutting and making tend to stick to walls, furniture, skin, and clothing. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: JuJu on March 14, 2009, 06:43:38 PM
Yep~and he has an arrest record for both of cocaine and meth......I can follow your hub's theory along with this, and also regarding the Misty holding something over his head to get him to marry her.
was he really?

i don't know a lot about this case, trying to lurk & learn


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 06:47:00 PM
Yep~and he has an arrest record for both of cocaine and meth......I can follow your hub's theory along with this, and also regarding the Misty holding something over his head to get him to marry her.
was he really?

i don't know a lot about this case, trying to lurk & learn

yes, and GHB, Morphine......the list is lengthy, and public......there are arrest in Sarasota, Lake and Putnam counties.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Haydensguardian on March 14, 2009, 06:47:35 PM
Were his charges for deal drugs or just possession of them, I could see him using but he just don't look like he smart enough to be a dealer, I honest think it was a pedophile and he is familiar with the Cummings and has been in there house before, dunno. Just hard to think someone would take a child over drugs. Too much trouble to do something with her.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 06:48:56 PM
This theory has always puzzled me~usually dopers don't kill those related to those that have pizzed them off, although I know of at least 3 cases where it has happened, I guess my theory if this is the case would be that Ron did steal from some dealer etc., they knew his work hours and that he wouldn't be home when they went to retrieve them from the trailer......one problem, Haleigh hears someone coming in and assumes it's her dad, she myabe recognizes them and so they have no choice but to take her. They would be more efficient in hiding her alive or otherwise than Misty would.............ideas, nanner throwing, it's all ok just trying to theorize. ::MonkeyTongue::
Possible theory there IM, I can go down that road with you.  I always agree that I can not see it happening over dope, but maybe over something a little more "expensive" like coke, meth, or x.

Yep~and he has an arrest record for both of cocaine and meth......I can follow your hub's theory along with this, and also regarding the Misty holding something over his head to get him to marry her.
I wonder if they have tested any of Misty, Ron, or even Jr's clothing for meth residue.  From what I understand if a person has been exposed to it or the cooking, the debris from cutting and making tend to stick to walls, furniture, skin, and clothing. 

I don't know, although from what I've read and seen about meth~ they don't look like they partake in meth themselves, maybe distribution as he has an arrest for maintaining a drug vehicle, but it's a good point for LE to look at anyway........


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 14, 2009, 06:50:13 PM
yes, and GHB, Morphine......the list is lengthy, and public......there are arrest in Sarasota, Lake and Putnam counties.
Given his arrest records being so scattered does fit the pattern of someone trafficing narcotics/drugs.  IIRC just recently the drug ring took a pretty hard hit after a discovery was found during a routine traffic stop down here in South Florida.  I can imagine many within the drug industry are pretty hard pressed for cash given some of the supply has been "recovered".


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 14, 2009, 06:51:55 PM
Were his charges for deal drugs or just possession of them, I could see him using but he just don't look like he smart enough to be a dealer, I honest think it was a pedophile and he is familiar with the Cummings and has been in there house before, dunno. Just hard to think someone would take a child over drugs. Too much trouble to do something with her.
You do not have to be book smart educated to be street smart educated.  Many people are either one or the other, and not always both.  While he does not seem very smart, he does look like he has had a hard life...


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 06:52:27 PM
yes, and GHB, Morphine......the list is lengthy, and public......there are arrest in Sarasota, Lake and Putnam counties.
Given his arrest records being so scattered does fit the pattern of someone trafficing narcotics/drugs.  IIRC just recently the drug ring took a pretty hard hit after a discovery was found during a routine traffic stop down here in South Florida.  I can imagine many within the drug industry are pretty hard pressed for cash given some of the supply has been "recovered".

Yes~that's exactly how they got him in Sarasota, routine traffic stop.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: JuJu on March 14, 2009, 06:53:21 PM
I don't know, although from what I've read and seen about meth~ they don't look like they partake in meth themselves, maybe distribution as he has an arrest for maintaining a drug vehicle, but it's a good point for LE to look at anyway........


i don't mean to be stupid, but what does that mean?


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 14, 2009, 06:53:51 PM
I don't know, although from what I've read and seen about meth~ they don't look like they partake in meth themselves, maybe distribution as he has an arrest for maintaining a drug vehicle, but it's a good point for LE to look at anyway........
That is what I meant, cutting and making.  (Cutting for distribution of big supply or stash, and manufacturing of the meth)  If they had a methlab within that trailer it would have been found by now, as well as a stash.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 06:54:11 PM
Were his charges for deal drugs or just possession of them, I could see him using but he just don't look like he smart enough to be a dealer, I honest think it was a pedophile and he is familiar with the Cummings and has been in there house before, dunno. Just hard to think someone would take a child over drugs. Too much trouble to do something with her.
You do not have to be book smart educated to be street smart educated.  Many people are either one or the other, and not always both.  While he does not seem very smart, he does look like he has had a hard life...

ITA~I also think Misty is more street smart than most give her credit for........


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 06:55:43 PM
I don't know, although from what I've read and seen about meth~ they don't look like they partake in meth themselves, maybe distribution as he has an arrest for maintaining a drug vehicle, but it's a good point for LE to look at anyway........


i don't mean to be stupid, but what does that mean?

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Don't feel stupid, I had to ask too, IIRC it's mainting a veficle with the intention to distribute drugs, Dolce feel free to correct me if I'm wrong as you have moe knowledge with a dad in LE ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 06:57:46 PM
I don't know, although from what I've read and seen about meth~ they don't look like they partake in meth themselves, maybe distribution as he has an arrest for maintaining a drug vehicle, but it's a good point for LE to look at anyway........
That is what I meant, cutting and making.  (Cutting for distribution of big supply or stash, and manufacturing of the meth)  If they had a methlab within that trailer it would have been found by now, as well as a stash.

Oh, I understand, I'm clueless about drugs and terminology, although my brother could enlighten me very easily as he's had problems for yrssss, but I never allow him near my kids ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Haydensguardian on March 14, 2009, 06:57:53 PM
I don't know I guess I want to see the good in people thinking they are just poor and getting a bad rap, I can see that most involved in this case have had a hard life and done really stupid stuff.
Just kinda like to think for once a father gets custody of his kids and other than being poor and making stupid mistakes in the past that he loved his kids and was trying to to the best by them that he could even being poor.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 14, 2009, 06:58:54 PM
Were his charges for deal drugs or just possession of them, I could see him using but he just don't look like he smart enough to be a dealer, I honest think it was a pedophile and he is familiar with the Cummings and has been in there house before, dunno. Just hard to think someone would take a child over drugs. Too much trouble to do something with her.
You do not have to be book smart educated to be street smart educated.  Many people are either one or the other, and not always both.  While he does not seem very smart, he does look like he has had a hard life...

ITA~I also think Misty is more street smart than most give her credit for........
I totally agree with that, Misty is street smart, and not as naive as she would like one to think.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 14, 2009, 06:59:11 PM
I don't know, although from what I've read and seen about meth~ they don't look like they partake in meth themselves, maybe distribution as he has an arrest for maintaining a drug vehicle, but it's a good point for LE to look at anyway........


i don't mean to be stupid, but what does that mean?
Not 100% on this, going to have to ask my Dad, but from what I gather it means the vehicle housed the drugs, as in stashed in the door panels, cushions, trunk, gas tank....
Drug vehicle is also a way to administer a drug, like a syringe can be considered the vehicle by which the drugs enter your system, or a pipe.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Haydensguardian on March 14, 2009, 07:00:07 PM
Were his charges for deal drugs or just possession of them, I could see him using but he just don't look like he smart enough to be a dealer, I honest think it was a pedophile and he is familiar with the Cummings and has been in there house before, dunno. Just hard to think someone would take a child over drugs. Too much trouble to do something with her.
You do not have to be book smart educated to be street smart educated.  Many people are either one or the other, and not always both.  While he does not seem very smart, he does look like he has had a hard life...

ITA~I also think Misty is more street smart than most give her credit for........
I totally agree with that, Misty is street smart, and not as naive as she would like one to think.
She does however look totally scared of saying the wrong thing and looking too Ron for the answers.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 14, 2009, 07:03:55 PM
Thanks . ok they are obviously dopers , before and on the news . waayy back when  I knew people that I would let nowhere near my house now . With ron getting nolo on all his charges it's not hard to see what happened . He highly ticked someone off .  afraid to to talk about it but now he sees the benifits . Makes me sick to think I might be right but the videos speak for themselves .. somebody had to say it .

I agree Alagary, it sure could have been someone Ron pizzzzed off!  Would sure explain why Ron was immediately angry at 'them', how he seemed to instantly know that they 'stole' his daughter.  It's like he knew something that he sure wasn't saying.  His reaction was sooooo over the top, starting with that 911 call.  If not druggies bent on the revenge, then who was the 'them/they' that he was so very angry with?   ::MonkeyEek::

This theory has always puzzled me~usually dopers don't kill those related to those that have pizzed them off, although I know of at least 3 cases where it has happened, I guess my theory if this is the case would be that Ron did steal from some dealer etc., they knew his work hours and that he wouldn't be home when they went to retrieve them from the trailer......one problem, Haleigh hears someone coming in and assumes it's her dad, she myabe recognizes them and so they have no choice but to take her. They would be more efficient in hiding her alive or otherwise than Misty would.............ideas, nanner throwing, it's all ok just trying to theorize. ::MonkeyTongue::


Wyks FUZZIES!! you   :-)

IM, I agree. And if Earl, I mean Ron, (sorry I watch too much Thur night NBC TV - heh) if Ron did believe someone took Haleigh over drugs why would he think that Elly May, I mean Misty would be able to stop "them;" How is tiny Misty going to foil an intruder and keep Ron's “kid” from getting “stole?” What the heck could she do about it? Blow a thick gi-normous smoke cloud from her copious ciggies, grab the kids and make a run for it?

If druggies took his daughter it would be, imo, to use her as a bargaining chip to extract something from Ron or to get something back. Druggies don't customarily run around pinching kindergartners from their beds just out of revenge do they? Even they have their priorites. IMO, I'd think they'd be focused on their stash and their cheddar – (that's gangsta for "money," y'all) (I Googled the Urban Dictionary and I'm at risk of becoming obnoxious.)

('Fraid that ship has sailed, rana.)

I mean if they wanted to kill someone it seems they would have killed Earl, I mean Ron. And cops look for little kids more than....... well cops DO look fervently and relentless for little kids and perhaps LE beats the bushes somewhat less for unsavory characters on the fringes of socicty (oops that sounded a little  dirty)  :-)  aka dealers or people on the wrong side of the law for whatever reason - or adults period.  Adults can be thought to have left on their own accord; Five year olds can't pick up, grab a bus, and start a new life.






Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 14, 2009, 07:04:07 PM
She does however look totally scared of saying the wrong thing and looking too Ron for the answers.
I said this in the last thread, but I also have noticed that jacket she wears that others have harped about.  That could be her "comfort blankie" type thing, her little "safety blankie jacket".  Kids, teens, and young adults hold tight to items they consider comforting and/or safe.  She is always in that jacket, even here in Florida where the weather is up in temp.  She is scared of something IMO.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 07:04:44 PM
Were his charges for deal drugs or just possession of them, I could see him using but he just don't look like he smart enough to be a dealer, I honest think it was a pedophile and he is familiar with the Cummings and has been in there house before, dunno. Just hard to think someone would take a child over drugs. Too much trouble to do something with her.
You do not have to be book smart educated to be street smart educated.  Many people are either one or the other, and not always both.  While he does not seem very smart, he does look like he has had a hard life...

ITA~I also think Misty is more street smart than most give her credit for........
I totally agree with that, Misty is street smart, and not as naive as she would like one to think.

Yeppers~she walked out on LE beacuse she didn't like being interrogated, hmmmm HELLO~you were the last person to see her alive (that we know of), and your story is like swiss cheese. She reminds me of another gal who refused to speak with specific officers ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 14, 2009, 07:06:30 PM
Just throwing this out there....but if drugs are the reason for this abduction, I can not see them contacting the cops for help.  Throwing this all over television and the possible exposure would surely sign a death warrant for Haleigh....and possibly other family members as well.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 14, 2009, 07:07:25 PM
I agree she looks scared of Ron, the question is why?  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 14, 2009, 07:08:03 PM
Yeppers~she walked out on LE beacuse she didn't like being interrogated, hmmmm HELLO~you were the last person to see her alive (that we know of), and your story is like swiss cheese. She reminds me of another gal who refused to speak with specific officers ::MonkeyRoll::
They did have lunch with George Anthony, after which George and KFN were asked by LE to vacate the county....


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: JuJu on March 14, 2009, 07:08:22 PM
where can i go to find this info?

...so i won't drive yall crazy asking questions


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 14, 2009, 07:09:19 PM
where can i go to find this info?

...so i won't drive yall crazy asking questions
There is a Haleigh news thread just as there is one for Caylee. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: momm0f4 on March 14, 2009, 07:09:19 PM
I was just wondering what you all thought after seeing the door propped open the way it was? It wasn't wide open like we all had pictured, can anyone think of any reson possible someone would prop open a door in such a way?


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 07:09:39 PM
Just throwing this out there....but if drugs are the reason for this abduction, I can not see them contacting the cops for help.  Throwing this all over television and the possible exposure would surely sign a death warrant for Haleigh....and possibly other family members as well.
The only reason I can think of is custody of JR, if they admitted to this scenario, it would jeapordize custody, but I'd spill my guts to everything I'd done down to stealing bubblegum when I was 2yrs old to find answers and get my child back.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 14, 2009, 07:11:52 PM
I was just wondering what you all thought after seeing the door propped open the way it was? It wasn't wide open like we all had pictured, can anyone think of any reson possible someone would prop open a door in such a way?
No, I was shocked it was open so little, I have no reason why it would be open like that, because I thought it was wide open.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 14, 2009, 07:12:30 PM
I was just wondering what you all thought after seeing the door propped open the way it was? It wasn't wide open like we all had pictured, can anyone think of any reson possible someone would prop open a door in such a way?
My thought are so the person carrying out a child would not have to kick or back into the door in order to open it....would get pretty noisey.

On another note, in regards to the door...that incline is wood planks, similar to a doc, and walking on that even in my thong sandals makes a clink clink type sound.  That could/would be a bit noisey for a person to go up and down and up and down, first to open and prop with the brick, and second to walk up and walk down carrying a child back.

I am also a little disgruntled that foot prints have not been found...its not like we are dealing with a putting green here.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Haydensguardian on March 14, 2009, 07:12:58 PM
I agree she looks scared of Ron, the question is why?  ::MonkeyEek::
He strikes me as someone that would knock her around but I just want to think he got his kids this is saying something for him how many fathers even try to get custody of their kids and keep them. Most people involved in dealing drugs don't want lil kids around bugging them. IDK I am just hoping they find her and it was not the family involved!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 14, 2009, 07:14:03 PM
Just throwing this out there....but if drugs are the reason for this abduction, I can not see them contacting the cops for help.  Throwing this all over television and the possible exposure would surely sign a death warrant for Haleigh....and possibly other family members as well.
The only reason I can think of is custody of JR, if they admitted to this scenario, it would jeapordize custody, but I'd spill my guts to everything I'd done down to stealing bubblegum when I was 2yrs old to find answers and get my child back.
Exactly, but only because you may very well only have bubble gum stealing in your past......


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 14, 2009, 07:14:49 PM
I agree she looks scared of Ron, the question is why?  ::MonkeyEek::
He strikes me as someone that would knock her around but I just want to think he got his kids this is saying something for him how many fathers even try to get custody of their kids and keep them. Most people involved in dealing drugs don't want lil kids around bugging them. IDK I am just hoping they find her and it was not the family involved!
Me too.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: momm0f4 on March 14, 2009, 07:15:33 PM
yeah, but why not prop it wide open? I just don't understand that at all! unless someone earlier in the day/week whatever propped it open only enough where no one would notice the screen propped wide open.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 07:15:37 PM
Just throwing this out there....but if drugs are the reason for this abduction, I can not see them contacting the cops for help.  Throwing this all over television and the possible exposure would surely sign a death warrant for Haleigh....and possibly other family members as well.
The only reason I can think of is custody of JR, if they admitted to this scenario, it would jeapordize custody, but I'd spill my guts to everything I'd done down to stealing bubblegum when I was 2yrs old to find answers and get my child back.
Exactly, but only because you may very well only have bubble gum stealing in your past......

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Exactly..........now don't tell it's my big bad secret!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 14, 2009, 07:16:01 PM
I agree she looks scared of Ron, the question is why?  ::MonkeyEek::
He strikes me as someone that would knock her around but I just want to think he got his kids this is saying something for him how many fathers even try to get custody of their kids and keep them. Most people involved in dealing drugs don't want lil kids around bugging them. IDK I am just hoping they find her and it was not the family involved!
Well, you have to take a good look at the bio-mom's past here too.  It seemed like at time of custody hearing he was the lesser of 2 evils with a job and stable place to live.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 14, 2009, 07:18:15 PM
::MonkeyHaHa:: Exactly..........now don't tell it's my big bad secret!
Oh its ok, we have NumbersGirl in Musings rounding up the monkeys for the Operation Monkey Fund Gala...aka OMFG....to help raise bail money!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 14, 2009, 07:25:15 PM

Hey, are we as a monkey group, assuming that LE has put GPS devices on the vehicle/s? bugged the house? tapped the phones? and monitored any out of area excursions of the immediate..... folks?  Or is that frowned upon or a lot of red tape... or difficult ...warrant-wise or otherwise? Anyone?

Also, before I say this, let me preface by saying I don't know how long "scent" lingers for dogs who track scent; so that is relevant to the comment in general. Anyone know BTW??

Anyway, I recall that LE initially had dogs following Haleigh's scent. I would also like to know if LE had a dog who traced only the scents of Ron and Misty, repsectively. IOW, it would be significant, imo, to know if the dogs showed the two scents (child and either adult) that went along the same path.

And about the the cadaver dogs....  The dogs hit on a dumpster near the Cummings' home, but they "didn't find anything." Is LE really trying to  have us believe that they never checked that dumpster on Day 1? (/C. Anthony)  :-) To quote a monkey : horsepucky. I thought that snooping dumpsters in missing persons cases is job 1. Wouldn't LE have done that right away, not "way" later? GMAB. Sheesh.
 
Also, is Ron's truck "new??




Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 14, 2009, 07:35:10 PM
She does however look totally scared of saying the wrong thing and looking too Ron for the answers.
I said this in the last thread, but I also have noticed that jacket she wears that others have harped about.  That could be her "comfort blankie" type thing, her little "safety blankie jacket".  Kids, teens, and young adults hold tight to items they consider comforting and/or safe.  She is always in that jacket, even here in Florida where the weather is up in temp.  She is scared of something IMO.

Got locked out of the cage, AGAIN!

Lucky for you, Dolce: your order is ready!  LOL

Catching up on reading here. Be caught up soon.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 14, 2009, 07:37:51 PM
I was just wondering what you all thought after seeing the door propped open the way it was? It wasn't wide open like we all had pictured, can anyone think of any reson possible someone would prop open a door in such a way?

To make the door almost appear closed from the outside and be able to get back in easily, like sneak in. I still have suspicions about where Misty was the entire night.



Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Heart on March 14, 2009, 07:42:16 PM
I was just wondering what you all thought after seeing the door propped open the way it was? It wasn't wide open like we all had pictured, can anyone think of any reson possible someone would prop open a door in such a way?

Does Granny Sykes smoke?  It has been reported that Granny Sykes was there that night delivering clothes and doing some laundry.  We have to put Granny around that backdoor around 7ish that night.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 14, 2009, 07:46:54 PM


All I know is that I think Ron and Misty are lying like rugs..... why? I don't know.

For me the whole 911, the door open thing, the kitchen light, the bathroom, the drink of water, the "I seen 3" yadda yadda, are lies and the whole bit is fabricated to me. But why?



 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 14, 2009, 07:50:56 PM

Does anyone recall for sure or have a link about the dang doors?

Why do I keep remembering "WIDE " open?

And if the inner wood door (on the slow auto closer) were closed, how could she even SEE the that screen door was "propped open with a 'brick'?"

And from the pix we have, the outer screen door was barely open -- not WIDE open?

Was it the inside door that was WIDE open? And if so, what was holding it open?


TIA  ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 14, 2009, 07:51:04 PM
Got locked out of the cage, AGAIN!

Lucky for you, Dolce: your order is ready!  LOL

Catching up on reading here. Be caught up soon.
Thank you so much!! Beautiful work!! Also thank you for using a jewel tone!!!  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 14, 2009, 07:52:23 PM
Got locked out of the cage, AGAIN!

Lucky for you, Dolce: your order is ready!  LOL

Catching up on reading here. Be caught up soon.
Thank you so much!! Beautiful work!! Also thank you for using a jewel tone!!!  ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Youre%20Welcome/yw9.gif)


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 14, 2009, 08:03:04 PM
IM, my dad is telling me that within the police report for the drug vehicle there should be a quantity given for the drugs, usually in weights of kilo's....according to him, for his boys it means the car of which they are driving has over a certain weight of drugs within it, but that the terminology used by the cop writing it up could mean something along the lines of the instrument used to administer the drugs.  The weight/amount of drugs determines the severity of the case and if it is considered just a possession, which would be noted on the report, or a trafficking which would be noted on the report.  Might also find the answers within court filings.
Sorry so vague.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 08:05:53 PM
IM, my dad is telling me that within the police report for the drug vehicle there should be a quantity given for the drugs, usually in weights of kilo's....according to him, for his boys it means the car of which they are driving has over a certain weight of drugs within it, but that the terminology used by the cop writing it up could mean something along the lines of the instrument used to administer the drugs.  The weight/amount of drugs determines the severity of the case and if it is considered just a possession, which would be noted on the report, or a trafficking which would be noted on the report.  Might also find the answers within court filings.
Sorry so vague.

I think I understand. I'll look back at the records as I don't remember the weight, just that it was a felony.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 08:10:25 PM
IM, my dad is telling me that within the police report for the drug vehicle there should be a quantity given for the drugs, usually in weights of kilo's....according to him, for his boys it means the car of which they are driving has over a certain weight of drugs within it, but that the terminology used by the cop writing it up could mean something along the lines of the instrument used to administer the drugs.  The weight/amount of drugs determines the severity of the case and if it is considered just a possession, which would be noted on the report, or a trafficking which would be noted on the report.  Might also find the answers within court filings.
Sorry so vague.

OK~I looked back, the records are for possesion, and it doesn't show a weight...it does show the affadavits, warrants and report links, but you have to go there in person to look at what they took into evidence.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 14, 2009, 08:11:51 PM
IM, my dad is telling me that within the police report for the drug vehicle there should be a quantity given for the drugs, usually in weights of kilo's....according to him, for his boys it means the car of which they are driving has over a certain weight of drugs within it, but that the terminology used by the cop writing it up could mean something along the lines of the instrument used to administer the drugs.  The weight/amount of drugs determines the severity of the case and if it is considered just a possession, which would be noted on the report, or a trafficking which would be noted on the report.  Might also find the answers within court filings.
Sorry so vague.

I think I understand. I'll look back at the records as I don't remember the weight, just that it was a felony.
When you find it send me the link and I will shoot it on over to him to review if he has time.  May be nothin, but would be interesting!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 14, 2009, 08:11:59 PM
IM, my dad is telling me that within the police report for the drug vehicle there should be a quantity given for the drugs, usually in weights of kilo's....according to him, for his boys it means the car of which they are driving has over a certain weight of drugs within it, but that the terminology used by the cop writing it up could mean something along the lines of the instrument used to administer the drugs.  The weight/amount of drugs determines the severity of the case and if it is considered just a possession, which would be noted on the report, or a trafficking which would be noted on the report.  Might also find the answers within court filings.
Sorry so vague.

I think I understand. I'll look back at the records as I don't remember the weight, just that it was a felony.

Found this (in my notes, of course)  LOL:
13 CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 1983-10-29 N/A N/A, N/A N/A N/A
First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2002-12-12 Source State FL
Offense 0893.13.6A POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA (MORE THAN 20 GRAMS) Gender M

It's a long record, didn't want to paste it all in here.

Oh, Dolce, another post for you.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 14, 2009, 08:16:28 PM
IM, my dad is telling me that within the police report for the drug vehicle there should be a quantity given for the drugs, usually in weights of kilo's....according to him, for his boys it means the car of which they are driving has over a certain weight of drugs within it, but that the terminology used by the cop writing it up could mean something along the lines of the instrument used to administer the drugs.  The weight/amount of drugs determines the severity of the case and if it is considered just a possession, which would be noted on the report, or a trafficking which would be noted on the report.  Might also find the answers within court filings.
Sorry so vague.

OK~I looked back, the records are for possesion, and it doesn't show a weight...it does show the affadavits, warrants and report links, but you have to go there in person to look at what they took into evidence.
Alright, called him back.  For it to be felony it had to be a high amount in weight.  He said that the standard wording for "an instrument to administer drug" is usually under the umbrella term of "drug paraphernalia".  He said given the fact that it was considered a felony more than likely it was for the trafficking of drugs.
Now he wants to know what I have envolved myself in.  LOL


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 14, 2009, 08:18:31 PM
IM, my dad is telling me that within the police report for the drug vehicle there should be a quantity given for the drugs, usually in weights of kilo's....according to him, for his boys it means the car of which they are driving has over a certain weight of drugs within it, but that the terminology used by the cop writing it up could mean something along the lines of the instrument used to administer the drugs.  The weight/amount of drugs determines the severity of the case and if it is considered just a possession, which would be noted on the report, or a trafficking which would be noted on the report.  Might also find the answers within court filings.
Sorry so vague.

I think I understand. I'll look back at the records as I don't remember the weight, just that it was a felony.

Found this (in my notes, of course)  LOL:
13 CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 1983-10-29 N/A N/A, N/A N/A N/A
First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2002-12-12 Source State FL
Offense 0893.13.6A POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA (MORE THAN 20 GRAMS) Gender M

It's a long record, didn't want to paste it all in here.

Oh, Dolce, another post for you.

20 grams is a little under that of an ounce of marijuana.  If it was all in one bag it can be argued as just possession, but if it was distributed into individual baggies it would be considered trafficking.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 08:19:28 PM
IM, my dad is telling me that within the police report for the drug vehicle there should be a quantity given for the drugs, usually in weights of kilo's....according to him, for his boys it means the car of which they are driving has over a certain weight of drugs within it, but that the terminology used by the cop writing it up could mean something along the lines of the instrument used to administer the drugs.  The weight/amount of drugs determines the severity of the case and if it is considered just a possession, which would be noted on the report, or a trafficking which would be noted on the report.  Might also find the answers within court filings.
Sorry so vague.

I think I understand. I'll look back at the records as I don't remember the weight, just that it was a felony.
When you find it send me the link and I will shoot it on over to him to review if he has time.  May be nothin, but would be interesting!

Here is the PUTNAM county info on one of his arrests:



UCN: 542004CF002063XXAXMX
File Date: 2004-11-16 Judge: A W NICHOLS III   
Defense Atty: FELICIANO, SHARON 

Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2004-11-16 1 ARREST REPORT - PCSO EDGAR (ARREST 11/12/04) 

2004-11-16 1 POSSESSION OF CANNABIS IN EXCESS OF 20 GRAMS 

2004-11-16 1 POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA 

2004-11-16 1 MAINTAINING A DRUG VEHICLE 

2004-11-16 2 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HEARING 11/13/04 

2004-11-16 2 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED FOR FIRST APPEARANCE ONLY 

2004-11-16 2 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND 

2004-11-16 2 $2012.00 UNSECURED BOND SET 11/13/04 

2004-11-16 3 TRAFFIC CITATION - #7877-DBJ 2 

2004-11-16 4 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY 

2004-11-16 5 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR 1ST APP HEARING 

2004-11-16 6 APPEARANCE BOND - UNSECURED $ 2,012 

2004-12-03 7 INFORMATION (CT 1-POSSESSION OF CANNABIS IN EXCESS 

2004-12-03 7 OF 20 GRAMS) 

2004-12-07 8 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (01-07-2005) 

2005-01-07 9 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, SWORN, ARRAIGNED, 

2005-01-07 9 PUBLIC DEFENDER APPOINTED, ENTERED PLEA OF NOT GUILTY, 

2005-01-07 9 SET FOR PRE TRIAL 02/03/2005. 

2005-01-07 10 AFFIDAVIT OF INDIGENT STATUS 

2005-01-07 10 DEFENDANT ADJUDGED INDIGENT 

2005-01-07 10 $40.00 APPLICATION FEE IMPOSED 

2005-01-07 11 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER 

2005-01-07 12 ORDER SETTING PRE TRIAL 02/03/2005 

2005-01-07 13 NOTICE GIVEN TO DEFENDANT IN COURT FOR NEXT COURT DATE 

2005-01-10 14 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (02-03-2005) 

2005-01-18 15 DRUG COURT HEARING MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY KURT 

2005-01-18 15 TEIFKE, COURT DIRECTED DEFENDANT MAKE AND KEEP 

2005-01-18 15 APPOINTMENT WITH PUBLIC DEFENDER AND TREATMENT 

2005-01-18 15 PROVIDER, NEXT HEARING SET 01/25/2005 

2005-01-18 16 NOTICE GIVEN TO DEFENDANT IN COURT FOR NEXT COURT DATE 

2005-01-25 17 DRUG COURT HEARING MINUTES: DEFENDANT PRESENT, DEFT MET WITH 

2005-01-25 17 PUBLIC DEFENDER, DEFT SCREENED BY TREATMENT AND DEEMED 

2005-01-25 17 APPROPRIATE FOR DRUG COURT, DEFT DECLINED THE DRUG COURT 

2005-01-25 17 PROGRAM, DEFT WILL FOLLOW TRADITIONAL COURT DOCKET 

2005-02-03 18 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY SHARON FELICIANO 

2005-02-03 18 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE 

2005-02-03 18 CONTINUED TO 09/08/2005 

2005-02-03 18 ADI - LEVEL II 

2005-02-07 19 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (09-08-2005) 

2005-03-03 20 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY SHARON FELICIANO, 

2005-03-03 20 DEFT SWORN, W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C, ADVISED 

2005-03-03 20 MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE, PSI WAIVED, 

2005-03-03 20 PLEA ACCEPTED, SENTENCING SET SAME DAY 

2005-03-03 20 ADJUDICATION OF GUILT WITHHELD 

2005-03-03 20 $370.00 COURT COSTS (6 MONTHS TO PAY) 

2005-03-03 20 ADI PROGRAM - LEVEL II 

2005-09-08 21 CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION OF ADI LEVEL II PROGRAM 

2005-09-08 21 $370.00 COURT COST PAID 

2005-11-14 22 $370.00 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE 



Here are the Sarasota ones, the one that you have to actually go down to see the evidence reports:

http://courtweb.co.sarasota.fl.us/crimapp/crimbrowse.asp?pg=1



Charges:
Statute Code General Offense Character Statute Description Disposition Date Disposition
893.13(6A) Principal DRUGS POSSESS-CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION 10/18/2005 Dropped/Abandoned
893.13(6A) Principal DRUGS POSSESS-CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION 10/18/2005 Dropped/Abandoned
893.147(1) Principal NARCOTIC EQUIP POSSESS-AND OR USE 10/18/2005 Dropped/Abandoned
741.31 Principal VIOL INJUNCTION PROTECTION DOMESTIC VIOLENCE 10/18/2005 Dropped/Abandoned
499.03 Principal DRUGS-POSSESS NEW LEGEND DRUG WO PRESCRIPTION 10/18/2005 Dropped/Abandoned


Docket Information:
Date Description Pages Image
10/27/2005 COURT EVENT CANCELLED The following event: CRIMINAL - ARRAIGNMENT FELONY scheduled for 11/04/2005 at 9:00 am has been resulted as follows: Result: CANCELLED (Criminal) 0 None
10/27/2005 Payment of Court Cost 0 None
10/19/2005 ARREST BOND RECORD CREATED Ref: Bond/Pwr No.: 2005AA079210 Initial Charge #: 1 Initial Action Code: POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE(MORPHINE) Prosecutor Count #: 1 Prosecutor Action Code: POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE(MORPHINE) Bonding Co.: AA LARAZA BAIL BONDS Bond Amount: $5000 The following field(s) on arrest bond 1 have been modified: New Bond Status Added: BOND RELEASED New Bond Status Date Added: 10/18/2005  0 None
10/18/2005 NOTICE OF CASE DISPOSITION/ACTION-DECLINED 1 Image
10/5/2005 ARREST BOND RECORD CREATED Arrest Bond Added to Case with: Arrest Date: 09/26/2005 Initial Charge #: 1 Initial Action Code: POSSESSION OF A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE(MORPHINE) Prosecutor Count #: Prosecutor Action Code: Custody Location: Bond Status: Posted Status Date: 09/28/2005 Bond Type: Surety Bond/Pwr No.: 2005AA079210 Bond Amount: $5000 Bonding Co.: AA LARAZA BAIL BONDS Cash Depositor:  0 None
10/3/2005 Court Event Set Event: CRIMINAL - ARRAIGNMENT FELONY Date: 11/04/2005 Time: 9:00 am Judge: ROBERTS, CHARLES E Location: Courtroom 3-A Result: CANCELLED (Criminal) 0 None
9/29/2005 ADVISORY HEARING BOND 2 Image
9/29/2005 COPY OF DRIVERS LICENSE 1 Image
9/29/2005 EVIDENCE / PROPERTY RECEIPT 10 Image
9/29/2005 REPORT 2 Image
9/29/2005 PROBABLE CAUSE AFFIDAVIT (FHPF05OFF062270) 17 Image
9/29/2005 NOTICE TO APPEAR - CRIMINAL 1 Image
9/28/2005 INVOCATION OF CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS 1 Image
9/28/2005 INDIGENCY CIRCUIT CASE APPROVED Receipt: 422546 Date: 10/27/ 1 Image
9/28/2005 BOND - PAPER POWER # 2005-AA-07 3 Image
9/28/2005 DECISION TO DECLINE TO APPLY FOR THE SERVICES OF THE PUBLIC DEFENDER 1 Image


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 08:22:02 PM
IM, my dad is telling me that within the police report for the drug vehicle there should be a quantity given for the drugs, usually in weights of kilo's....according to him, for his boys it means the car of which they are driving has over a certain weight of drugs within it, but that the terminology used by the cop writing it up could mean something along the lines of the instrument used to administer the drugs.  The weight/amount of drugs determines the severity of the case and if it is considered just a possession, which would be noted on the report, or a trafficking which would be noted on the report.  Might also find the answers within court filings.
Sorry so vague.

OK~I looked back, the records are for possesion, and it doesn't show a weight...it does show the affadavits, warrants and report links, but you have to go there in person to look at what they took into evidence.
Alright, called him back.  For it to be felony it had to be a high amount in weight.  He said that the standard wording for "an instrument to administer drug" is usually under the umbrella term of "drug paraphernalia".  He said given the fact that it was considered a felony more than likely it was for the trafficking of drugs.
Now he wants to know what I have envolved myself in.  LOL

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Your poor dad, he's probably wondering WHY you are asking him all these questions, but I really do appreciate your/his input.....still I am LMAO at that response ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 14, 2009, 08:24:11 PM
For all of that to be within his car, the narcotics, the perscription drugs, and the weed, that would be considered the vehicle housing the illegal substances.  Now, since it is not noted anywhere "With the intent to sell" it looks as if the arresting officer was trying to write him up for everything he possibly could at this traffic stop.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 14, 2009, 08:26:08 PM
Ya, when I said it was research he said "Put your Ma on the phone now"....LOL 
My Ma was like "I don't know she is on the computer".   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Darn Monkeys always gettin me in trouble.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Gonna have to send her back home if she keeps tattling on me.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 08:29:47 PM
Ya, when I said it was research he said "Put your Ma on the phone now"....LOL 
My Ma was like "I don't know she is on the computer".   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Darn Monkeys always gettin me in trouble.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Gonna have to send her back home if she keeps tattling on me.


Nah, not right now~you need to take it easy remember........anyway your hubs would be circling you if she wasn't there to make sure you aren't overdoing it!

I just wish we could see what is in those Baker County images...... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 14, 2009, 08:30:45 PM
IM, my dad is telling me that within the police report for the drug vehicle there should be a quantity given for the drugs, usually in weights of kilo's....according to him, for his boys it means the car of which they are driving has over a certain weight of drugs within it, but that the terminology used by the cop writing it up could mean something along the lines of the instrument used to administer the drugs.  The weight/amount of drugs determines the severity of the case and if it is considered just a possession, which would be noted on the report, or a trafficking which would be noted on the report.  Might also find the answers within court filings.
Sorry so vague.

I think I understand. I'll look back at the records as I don't remember the weight, just that it was a felony.

Found this (in my notes, of course)  LOL:
13 CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 1983-10-29 N/A N/A, N/A N/A N/A
First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2002-12-12 Source State FL
Offense 0893.13.6A POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA (MORE THAN 20 GRAMS) Gender M

It's a long record, didn't want to paste it all in here.

Oh, Dolce, another post for you.

20 grams is a little under that of an ounce of marijuana.  If it was all in one bag it can be argued as just possession, but if it was distributed into individual baggies it would be considered trafficking.

Thanks for the clarification, Dolce. I never did learn my metric equivalences. LOL (Nor am I a drug user/dealer, obviously.) I thought 20 grams might be a lot.  ::MonkeyRoll::

Anyway, I left you another post in the other thread, Dolce ;-)


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 14, 2009, 08:32:14 PM
I had to ask what 20 grams was myself...I was thinking in terms of good old Teddy Grams.. YUMMY!!

I replied to you Brandi...you have created me a wardrobe!!  :)


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: darla on March 14, 2009, 08:37:08 PM
Good Evening Monkeys. I am so behind on reading...I just skipped about 10 pages in the last thread. I see there is nothing new on Haleigh.

Dolce, your pictures are just beautiful.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: GramaMonkey on March 14, 2009, 08:39:10 PM
I was just wondering what you all thought after seeing the door propped open the way it was? It wasn't wide open like we all had pictured, can anyone think of any reson possible someone would prop open a door in such a way?
My thought are so the person carrying out a child would not have to kick or back into the door in order to open it....would get pretty noisey.

On another note, in regards to the door...that incline is wood planks, similar to a doc, and walking on that even in my thong sandals makes a clink clink type sound.  That could/would be a bit noisey for a person to go up and down and up and down, first to open and prop with the brick, and second to walk up and walk down carrying a child back.

I am also a little disgruntled that foot prints have not been found...its not like we are dealing with a putting green here.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

Here is a copy again of the Sheriff's report.  I noticed some things that are discrepancies in Misty's statement.

1.  Misty said they were...'sleeping in her bed'

2,  Woke up before 3AM...'to get  drink'. (nothing mentioned about bathroom)

3.  Ran around residence frantically and noticed 'back door was standing open' (did not specify which back door,inside or screen)

4.  'She was sure the back door had been locked prior to her going to bed'

The items in red are from the Sheriff's report.  Appear to be different than Misty is saying now. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: momm0f4 on March 14, 2009, 08:40:32 PM
I don't have the patience to search at the moment because I have lil ones wanting me off the computer, but which way did the dogs track her again?
I Was wondering because there is a house for sale at 111 Tyler St which is only 3 minutes away walking, going by google maps.
Have they checked the empty houses... im sure they have?
Also, any word on where the make shift chair was at exactly?
I guess what Im thinking is it may be possible for someone hiding out in a house for sale behind Ronalds home, and possibly creating the make shift chair between the vacant house and ronalds house to keep a close eye on habits?


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Mary Ann on March 14, 2009, 08:42:41 PM
I thought that the Anthony family was the most messed up family on the planet....that is until I saw Haleigh's people....Wow. You just can't make up this stuff. I so hope that she is found alive and taken away from them and is able to have a wonderful, safe and happy life.
Dolce, I am glad you are okay. I totally understand about the licorice!! Your avitar pictures are absolutely beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing your journey into motherhood with us.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 14, 2009, 08:44:21 PM
I found this on Topix:

Judged:
 1
Also, there seems to be a witness that place Bandit pumping gas at 2:00am and then the neighbors reporting a woman in distress between 2-2:30am and confirms police were not called or there yet.

So who was there Before Bandit made it home Or was Bandit home 45min to an hour before calling 911?

LE has picked up on their spouting chit, you can guarantee that. They also are patient as heck.

I wanted to add to Smokey, she feels Safe with Ron and will follow his leads. If you notice, when she gets out of line, Bandit shows his control by walking right by her or in front of her like she isn't there, Smokey scuttles after him like a bunny rabbit.


I had read something about him being seen at the store/gas station before and just wondering if anyone has any knowledge/info on this?


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: GramaMonkey on March 14, 2009, 08:44:22 PM
5.  Sheriff's office iniated a track beginning at the back/side door of the residence...... as we traveled down a wooded path,

'what appeared to be a small child's footprint in dirt'.

Sorry hit post, before I was done.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: darla on March 14, 2009, 08:45:08 PM
I don't think Misty has told the same story twice this whole month.

I also noticed Ron said he was at work at least 5 times on the Today Show. He really is making sure everyone knows he works.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: GramaMonkey on March 14, 2009, 08:49:02 PM
I don't have the patience to search at the moment because I have lil ones wanting me off the computer, but which way did the dogs track her again?
I Was wondering because there is a house for sale at 111 Tyler St which is only 3 minutes away walking, going by google maps.
Have they checked the empty houses... im sure they have?
Also, any word on where the make shift chair was at exactly?
I guess what Im thinking is it may be possible for someone hiding out in a house for sale behind Ronalds home, and possibly creating the make shift chair between the vacant house and ronalds house to keep a close eye on habits?
I posted the Sheriff's report above, you can read the track that they followed in the report.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 14, 2009, 08:49:43 PM

Did they make the newly-wed love-birds move their tent? If the authorities are citing codes – something about permits and campgrounds, does that mean that they're becoming disenchanted with the Cummings clan?

The pastor doesn't sound like a BFF fan of two weeks ago, per the  refusal to perform the marriage. They could have said that their church schedule didn't permit performing the marriage at this time, but they didn't. The reason given per email was that the church, "...did not agree with the union."

Ouch.

That is all.

MOO   :-)



Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 14, 2009, 08:50:34 PM
I had to ask what 20 grams was myself...I was thinking in terms of good old Teddy Grams.. YUMMY!!

I replied to you Brandi...you have created me a wardrobe!!  :)

Yes, my last post of the night to you there has also Just now been posted. LOL

Sorry for the O/T, folks.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 08:55:52 PM
I don't think Misty has told the same story twice this whole month.

I also noticed Ron said he was at work at least 5 times on the Today Show. He really is making sure everyone knows he works.

I noticed she has a entire new story, IIRC on the today show, she got up to use the bathroom and noticed the light on and then the back door open so she goes into the room to get the phone and call Ron and THEN she realizes Haleigh is missing, also she said he arrived home right at the moment she was calling him which according to her was 3am, so either he got off work earlier than 3 and they both took 27 minutes to call 911 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Heart on March 14, 2009, 08:57:51 PM
John O’Connor Interviews Crystal Sheffield

http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/john-oconnor-interviews-crystal-sheffield/

'I passed the polygraph'

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/02/24/ng.mom.polygraph.cnn


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 08:58:16 PM

Did they make the newly-wed love-birds move their tent? If the authorities are citing codes – something about permits and campgrounds, does that mean that they're becoming disenchanted with the Cummings clan?

The pastor doesn't sound like a BFF fan of two weeks ago, per the  refusal to perform the marriage. They could have said that their church schedule didn't permit performing the marriage at this time, but they didn't. The reason given per email was that the church, "...did not agree with the union."

Ouch.

That is all.

MOO   :-)



I agree totally, especially considering his pastor has had his back it seemed until now...then the church email and disclaimer makes you go hmmmmm.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 14, 2009, 08:58:50 PM
I don't think Misty has told the same story twice this whole month.

I also noticed Ron said he was at work at least 5 times on the Today Show. He really is making sure everyone knows he works.

I noticed she has a entire new story, IIRC on the today show, she got up to use the bathroom and noticed the light on and then the back door open so she goes into the room to get the phone and call Ron and THEN she realizes Haleigh is missing, also she said he arrived home right at the moment she was calling him which according to her was 3am, so either he got off work earlier than 3 and they both took 27 minutes to call 911 ::MonkeyConfused::

I noticed it sounded rehearsed.

BUt, I guess she needs to get ONE story down pat and tell it the same way from now on.

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 14, 2009, 09:04:42 PM
I don't think Misty has told the same story twice this whole month.

I also noticed Ron said he was at work at least 5 times on the Today Show. He really is making sure everyone knows he works.

I noticed she has a entire new story, IIRC on the today show, she got up to use the bathroom and noticed the light on and then the back door open so she goes into the room to get the phone and call Ron and THEN she realizes Haleigh is missing, also she said he arrived home right at the moment she was calling him which according to her was 3am, so either he got off work earlier than 3 and they both took 27 minutes to call 911 ::MonkeyConfused::

maybe they waited even longer if he was off work at 2 am getting gas.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 09:07:06 PM
John O’Connor Interviews Crystal Sheffield

http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/john-oconnor-interviews-crystal-sheffield/

'I passed the polygraph'

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/02/24/ng.mom.polygraph.cnn

That;s one thing that ticks me off, CNN has screwed up reporting so many times!!! I knew I never heard her say "I passed", she said she thought she did and it had to be sent off to Washington............they were also the ones that were reporting that when the LE came to get her DNA that she fled ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: darla on March 14, 2009, 09:07:29 PM
I know you guys discussed what was missing of Haleigh's last night...but wanted to add that the nebulizer is heavy, plus you have to have the little ampules of meds to go in it or it isn't any good to her.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 14, 2009, 09:08:23 PM

Eyes for Lies:The Human Lie Detector Blog

http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/03/my-thoughts-about-tattoo.html (http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/03/my-thoughts-about-tattoo.html)

"My Thoughts About the Tattoo"
 excerpt Pt 1 below
"The first thing I did when I saw that Ronald Cummings had a tattoo of Haleigh on his leg was put myself in the shoes of an innocent parent, whose child was truly abducted, and I thought about how I would feel. Then I thought about the tattoo.

The tattoo gave me a horrible feeling.

If my daughter was missing, I would not want to memorialize this horrible tragedy on my leg, should she still be alive and come home, which is a thought I would desperately cling to until I had no other option.

If my daughter came home, I would never want to be reminded of the horror that I endured all those weeks not knowing where she was, but worse and more importantly, of the potential pain and suffering my daughter would have had to endure at the hands of a sick stranger for all those weeks.

If my daughter come home safe and sound, I would want to forget this nightmare. Forever. I would not want to have horrific memories memorialized on my leg in a tattoo, especially if it could become an emotional "trigger" for my daughter of her nightmarish experience. I would never want to give a predator such power, either. I would want fresh beginnings and a new start, but a tattoo would rob me of that.

Of course, Cummings would likely argue that he got the tattoo as a sign of love and devotion to his daughter. We can't say anything conclusive by his behavior here, but it is unusual, to say the least."





Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 09:08:55 PM
I don't think Misty has told the same story twice this whole month.

I also noticed Ron said he was at work at least 5 times on the Today Show. He really is making sure everyone knows he works.

I noticed she has a entire new story, IIRC on the today show, she got up to use the bathroom and noticed the light on and then the back door open so she goes into the room to get the phone and call Ron and THEN she realizes Haleigh is missing, also she said he arrived home right at the moment she was calling him which according to her was 3am, so either he got off work earlier than 3 and they both took 27 minutes to call 911 ::MonkeyConfused::

I noticed it sounded rehearsed.

BUt, I guess she needs to get ONE story down pat and tell it the same way from now on.

 ::MonkeyEek::

Especially since LE has now stated that she has NOT been cleared as a supect, and that her timeline is inconsistent and that she "holds the key" to all this........


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: GramaMonkey on March 14, 2009, 09:11:27 PM
I don't think Misty has told the same story twice this whole month.

I also noticed Ron said he was at work at least 5 times on the Today Show. He really is making sure everyone knows he works.

I noticed she has a entire new story, IIRC on the today show, she got up to use the bathroom and noticed the light on  and then the back door open so she goes into the room to get the phone  and call Ron and THEN she realizes Haleigh is missing, also she said he arrived home right at the moment she was calling him which according to her was 3am, so either he got off work earlier than 3 and they both took 27 minutes to call 911 ::MonkeyConfused::

maybe they waited even longer if he was off work at 2 am getting gas.

I put a few words in red of your post.  These were not even mentioned in the original Sheriff's report. 

How many chapters has Misty given now to this missing child??

It is no wonder the Sheriff's office says there are discrepancies. 



Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 14, 2009, 09:11:40 PM

Eyes for Lies:The Human Lie Detector Blog

http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/03/my-thoughts-about-tattoo.html (http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/03/my-thoughts-about-tattoo.html)

"My Thoughts About the Tattoo - pt 2"
 
excerpt Pt 2 below

Most parents of missing children find secondary things, such as unnecessary salon visits and self-pampering, are not a top priority in times of crisis like this. Finding their missing children takes top priority, even four weeks later.

It brings me back to the day I saw Cumming's mother, Teresa Neves, on TV saying that Cummings didn't go out and search on that particular day because "no one came and got him."

I was just appalled by that, as if it is the responsibility of other people to motivate Cummings to search.

He is the father who should care the most, and be the most driven to organize, plan and continually work to find his daughter, but he continually shows us he is not.

If I were in his shoes, there would always be a task I could do to keep my daughter's face front and center in the public's eye, if I was not searching.

Cumming also doesn't appear to look at the media as a tool, which I find perplexing. Innocent people who are victims of crime and are looking for a missing loved one usually see the media as a means to an end.

They may not like the media, but use them as a tool. Instead, here, Cummings actually complains he is not being left alone to do what he wants to do! It's just mind boggling.

What sad story this is on multiple levels. I just don't trust Ronald Cummings. "




Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on March 14, 2009, 09:11:44 PM
Right from the beginning their we RED Flags, its all leading back to the home with Fibsty and Ronald... ::MonkeyTongue::

911: "911, what's your emergency"

Misty Croslin: "Hi...umm...we just woke up...and our back door was wide open, and we can't find our daughter."




Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: darla on March 14, 2009, 09:15:50 PM
If Haleigh's nebulizer was not taken with her...If she still has asthma...that is not good. When you have asthma, if you get upset, scared or very nervous, it can trigger the asthma.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 14, 2009, 09:16:23 PM

Yeah, I'm on a toot.  :-)

http://www.haloscan.com/comments/fredettte/3990604002114009574/ (http://www.haloscan.com/comments/fredettte/3990604002114009574/)

[snip]"...The issue of Cummings' actions, attitude toward the press "bothering" him, speaks volumes, in my mind, as to who is at the center of his thoughts, and it's not his missing child, it's himself.

The tattoo incident is just another example of this man's self-centeredness, in my view.
People don't go to the barber shop or beauty salon, or go buy new clothes when their child goes missing. They might go to a therapist, to a doctor for medications, to a support group, or stop drinking or blame themselves.

But to do something as self-aggrandizing as to go get a tattoo, well, I have no words to describe how egomaniacal that appears to any outsider. "





Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 09:16:54 PM
I don't think Misty has told the same story twice this whole month.

I also noticed Ron said he was at work at least 5 times on the Today Show. He really is making sure everyone knows he works.

I noticed she has a entire new story, IIRC on the today show, she got up to use the bathroom and noticed the light on  and then the back door open so she goes into the room to get the phone  and call Ron and THEN she realizes Haleigh is missing, also she said he arrived home right at the moment she was calling him which according to her was 3am, so either he got off work earlier than 3 and they both took 27 minutes to call 911 ::MonkeyConfused::

maybe they waited even longer if he was off work at 2 am getting gas.

I put a few words in red of your post.  These were not even mentioned in the original Sheriff's report. 

How many chapters has Misty given now to this missing child??

It is no wonder the Sheriff's office says there are discrepancies. 


I know, when I heard it, my eyes were like ::MonkeyEek:: WTF? I lost count on the various stories-just too many to keep up with!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Heart on March 14, 2009, 09:16:58 PM
Misty Cummings not cleared as suspect in Haleigh’s disappearance
March 14, 2:20 PM · Add a Comment


A senior sheriff’s official says Haleigh’s new stepmother, Misty, 17, has not been cleared as a suspect in the girl’s disappearance.

According to Palatka Daily News, Maj. Gary Bowling also said Misty’s interview on NBC’s Today Show in which she failed to clear up her inconsistent statements to police is what detectives have encountered for weeks.

“Our interviews with her have been pretty much like what you saw on the Today Show.  We’ve confronted her with her inconsistencies and America got a sample of our interviews with her,” said Bowling.

During the Today Show interview, both Misty and Ronald, 25, claim she was no longer a suspect.  Bowling disputes this assertion and said, “We have not ruled her out as a suspect.”

The newlyweds also stated they both passed polygraph tests, but Bowling said authorities have not yet released the results of their tests.

Thursday, Palatka Daily News attempted to speak with Misty to let her address the issues law enforcement has raised about her statements.

Misty only responded with, “I would really appreciate it if you people would stop calling me.”

The search continues for Haleigh who has blond hair and brown eyes and is 3 feet tall.  Please call the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at 386-329-0800 if you have any information regarding Haleigh Cummings.  A reward for information leading to her safe return has been increased to $35,000.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m3d14-Misty-Cummings-not-cleared-as-suspect-in-Haleighs-disappearance


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Sleepless in Florida on March 14, 2009, 09:17:12 PM
Were his charges for deal drugs or just possession of them, I could see him using but he just don't look like he smart enough to be a dealer, I honest think it was a pedophile and he is familiar with the Cummings and has been in there house before, dunno. Just hard to think someone would take a child over drugs. Too much trouble to do something with her.
You do not have to be book smart educated to be street smart educated.  Many people are either one or the other, and not always both.  While he does not seem very smart, he does look like he has had a hard life...

ITA~I also think Misty is more street smart than most give her credit for........
I totally agree with that, Misty is street smart, and not as naive as she would like one to think.

Yeppers~she walked out on LE beacuse she didn't like being interrogated, hmmmm HELLO~you were the last person to see her alive (that we know of), and your story is like swiss cheese. She reminds me of another gal who refused to speak with specific officers ::MonkeyRoll::

I thought the same thing, Island Monkey, when I heard Misty didn't like and wouldn't talk to the new cop. I remember the video  when Casey's parents were visiting her and they discussed which cops she should talk to and which ones she shouldn't.  And I agree- Misty maybe not have a high IQ, but I think she is street smart and cunning.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: GramaMonkey on March 14, 2009, 09:17:48 PM
John O’Connor Interviews Crystal Sheffield

http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/john-oconnor-interviews-crystal-sheffield/

'I passed the polygraph'

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/02/24/ng.mom.polygraph.cnn

That;s one thing that ticks me off, CNN has screwed up reporting so many times!!! I knew I never heard her say "I passed", she said she thought she did and it had to be sent off to Washington............they were also the ones that were reporting that when the LE came to get her DNA that she fled ::MonkeyNoNo::

People that are innocent do not 'harp' on the polygraph's...as.... if they are innocent, why bother to keep ....bringing them into the conversation.  No reason whatsoever.  This would be the farthest thing from their minds, as it should not concern them at all.  But this crew continually brings up those polygraph's.



Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 14, 2009, 09:19:19 PM
 I just found this on topix

Reply »
|Report Abuse |Judge it! |#7113 Sunday Mar 1
lingo123 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, substitute "Haleigh died of a drug overdose while Ron was at work" for "Haleigh died of her injuries while Ron was at work," and you can still arrive at the same conclusion.
Two points I'm still researching to confirm:
(1) A report that there was a flurry of phone calls to Ron from Misty sometime after midnight, while he was at work, and
(2) A report that Ron was spotted on security cameras at a gas station around 2 .m. that night.
Agree points 1 & 2 are important here!

Also if Haleigh sustained some injuries would not have Great Grannie noticed something unusual regarding Haleigh? Then again I'm not sure G Grannys story has been checked out. I would hope in there is ONE reliable individual in this group! 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 14, 2009, 09:19:22 PM
Right from the beginning their we RED Flags, its all leading back to the home with Fibsty and Ronald... ::MonkeyTongue::

911: "911, what's your emergency"

Misty Croslin: "Hi...umm...we just woke up...and our back door was wide open, and we can't find our daughter."




yup! yup! yup!



Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on March 14, 2009, 09:20:07 PM
What the heck is going on with this family... ::MonkeyTongue::

Granny Spitefull and Mommy Dearest keeps enforcing Fibsty / babaysister/childteenager

is going to be the children's mommy. The children have a mommy..  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 14, 2009, 09:20:16 PM
Right from the beginning their we RED Flags, its all leading back to the home with Fibsty and Ronald... ::MonkeyTongue::

911: "911, what's your emergency"

Misty Croslin: "Hi...umm...we just woke up...and our back door was wide open, and we can't find our daughter."


Hey, JG,... Fibsty good one! heh    ::MonkeyHaHa::

And what innocent 911 caller starts their emergency call with an alibi. Btw, what were Ron Ron's first words again when he got on the phone with 911? Wait.... let me guess.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::    ::MonkeyNoNo::     ::MonkeyNoNo::   





Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 14, 2009, 09:21:38 PM
Right from the beginning their we RED Flags, its all leading back to the home with Fibsty and Ronald... ::MonkeyTongue::

911: "911, what's your emergency"

Misty Croslin: "Hi...umm...we just woke up...and our back door was wide open, and we can't find our daughter."


Hey, JG,... Fibsty good one! heh    ::MonkeyHaHa::

And what innocent 911 caller starts their emergency call with an alibi. Btw, what were Ron Ron's first words again when he got on the phone with 911? Wait.... let me guess.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::    ::MonkeyNoNo::     ::MonkeyNoNo::   





so true and why didnt MoRon make the 911 call??


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 09:21:41 PM
Were his charges for deal drugs or just possession of them, I could see him using but he just don't look like he smart enough to be a dealer, I honest think it was a pedophile and he is familiar with the Cummings and has been in there house before, dunno. Just hard to think someone would take a child over drugs. Too much trouble to do something with her.
You do not have to be book smart educated to be street smart educated.  Many people are either one or the other, and not always both.  While he does not seem very smart, he does look like he has had a hard life...

ITA~I also think Misty is more street smart than most give her credit for........
I totally agree with that, Misty is street smart, and not as naive as she would like one to think.

Yeppers~she walked out on LE beacuse she didn't like being interrogated, hmmmm HELLO~you were the last person to see her alive (that we know of), and your story is like swiss cheese. She reminds me of another gal who refused to speak with specific officers ::MonkeyRoll::

I thought the same thing, Island Monkey, when I heard Misty didn't like and wouldn't talk to the new cop. I remember the video  when Casey's parents were visiting her and they discussed which cops she should talk to and which ones she shouldn't.  And I agree- Misty maybe not have a high IQ, but I think she is street smart and cunning.

ITA~ also IMO they have gone from interviewing her to interrogating her (FINALLY), and she gets her panties in a wad....just tell the freaking truth because there could possibly be some clue in the truth that maypoint towards Haleigh ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 09:23:47 PM
Right from the beginning their we RED Flags, its all leading back to the home with Fibsty and Ronald... ::MonkeyTongue::

911: "911, what's your emergency"

Misty Croslin: "Hi...umm...we just woke up...and our back door was wide open, and we can't find our daughter."


Hey, JG,... Fibsty good one! heh    ::MonkeyHaHa::

And what innocent 911 caller starts their emergency call with an alibi. Btw, what were Ron Ron's first words again when he got on the phone with 911? Wait.... let me guess.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::    ::MonkeyNoNo::     ::MonkeyNoNo::   





so true and why didnt MoRon make the 911 call??

To distance himself from the entire "abduction"......


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on March 14, 2009, 09:24:00 PM
Right from the beginning their we RED Flags, its all leading back to the home with Fibsty and Ronald... ::MonkeyTongue::

911: "911, what's your emergency"

Misty Croslin: "Hi...umm...we just woke up...and our back door was wide open, and we can't find our daughter."


Hey, JG,... Fibsty good one! heh    ::MonkeyHaHa::

And what innocent 911 caller starts their emergency call with an alibi. Btw, what were Ron Ron's first words again when he got on the phone with 911? Wait.... let me guess.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::    ::MonkeyNoNo::     ::MonkeyNoNo::   





hey rana

The articles you posted about guilty 911 callers was very helpfull and informative... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: flossy on March 14, 2009, 09:26:17 PM
I just found this on topix

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lingo123 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, substitute "Haleigh died of a drug overdose while Ron was at work" for "Haleigh died of her injuries while Ron was at work," and you can still arrive at the same conclusion.
Two points I'm still researching to confirm:
(1) A report that there was a flurry of phone calls to Ron from Misty sometime after midnight, while he was at work, and
(2) A report that Ron was spotted on security cameras at a gas station around 2 .m. that night.
Agree points 1 & 2 are important here!

Also if Haleigh sustained some injuries would not have Great Grannie noticed something unusual regarding Haleigh? Then again I'm not sure G Grannys story has been checked out. I would hope in there is ONE reliable individual in this group! 

If those two points are confirmed, we've definitely got a story taking shape.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on March 14, 2009, 09:27:46 PM
Right from the beginning their we RED Flags, its all leading back to the home with Fibsty and Ronald... ::MonkeyTongue::

911: "911, what's your emergency"

Misty Croslin: "Hi...umm...we just woke up...and our back door was wide open, and we can't find our daughter."


Hey, JG,... Fibsty good one! heh    ::MonkeyHaHa::

And what innocent 911 caller starts their emergency call with an alibi. Btw, what were Ron Ron's first words again when he got on the phone with 911? Wait.... let me guess.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::    ::MonkeyNoNo::     ::MonkeyNoNo::   





so true and why didnt MoRon make the 911 call??

To distance himself from the entire "abduction"......

Ron got the dumb beech to call so later he could reference that and was just a dumb beech and didnt understand... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Searching on March 14, 2009, 09:27:54 PM
Just throwing this out there....but if drugs are the reason for this abduction, I can not see them contacting the cops for help.  Throwing this all over television and the possible exposure would surely sign a death warrant for Haleigh....and possibly other family members as well.
The only reason I can think of is custody of JR, if they admitted to this scenario, it would jeapordize custody, but I'd spill my guts to everything I'd done down to stealing bubblegum when I was 2yrs old to find answers and get my child back.

You stole bubble gum when you were 2??   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyNoNo::
See, I knew you were not an innocent monkey.. thats why I send the trouble makers to sit with you.
 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 14, 2009, 09:28:08 PM
I just found this on topix

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lingo123 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, substitute "Haleigh died of a drug overdose while Ron was at work" for "Haleigh died of her injuries while Ron was at work," and you can still arrive at the same conclusion.
Two points I'm still researching to confirm:
(1) A report that there was a flurry of phone calls to Ron from Misty sometime after midnight, while he was at work, and
2) A report that Ron was spotted on security cameras at a gas station around 2 .m. that night.

Agree points 1 & 2 are important here![/font]
Also if Haleigh sustained some injuries would not have Great Grannie noticed something unusual regarding Haleigh? Then again I'm not sure G Grannys story has been checked out. I would hope in there is ONE reliable individual in this group! 

has anyone heard anything about this report?


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 09:28:14 PM
I just found this on topix

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lingo123 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, substitute "Haleigh died of a drug overdose while Ron was at work" for "Haleigh died of her injuries while Ron was at work," and you can still arrive at the same conclusion.
Two points I'm still researching to confirm:
(1) A report that there was a flurry of phone calls to Ron from Misty sometime after midnight, while he was at work, and
(2) A report that Ron was spotted on security cameras at a gas station around 2 .m. that night.
Agree points 1 & 2 are important here!

Also if Haleigh sustained some injuries would not have Great Grannie noticed something unusual regarding Haleigh? Then again I'm not sure G Grannys story has been checked out. I would hope in there is ONE reliable individual in this group! 

very interesting........ on to my other point about the gramma's, not looking that way so far ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 14, 2009, 09:29:16 PM
I just found this on topix

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lingo123 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, substitute "Haleigh died of a drug overdose while Ron was at work" for "Haleigh died of her injuries while Ron was at work," and you can still arrive at the same conclusion.
Two points I'm still researching to confirm:
(1) A report that there was a flurry of phone calls to Ron from Misty sometime after midnight, while he was at work, and
(2) A report that Ron was spotted on security cameras at a gas station around 2 .m. that night.
Agree points 1 & 2 are important here!

Also if Haleigh sustained some injuries would not have Great Grannie noticed something unusual regarding Haleigh? Then again I'm not sure G Grannys story has been checked out. I would hope in there is ONE reliable individual in this group! 
Well that is very interesting. o/t I know that the green lines that are appearing under some words is being worked on, but has anyone been knocked off as a guest. I came back twice from shopping, and I thought I got banned, my name was gone, and I was a guest.  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 09:29:21 PM
Right from the beginning their we RED Flags, its all leading back to the home with Fibsty and Ronald... ::MonkeyTongue::

911: "911, what's your emergency"

Misty Croslin: "Hi...umm...we just woke up...and our back door was wide open, and we can't find our daughter."


Hey, JG,... Fibsty good one! heh    ::MonkeyHaHa::

And what innocent 911 caller starts their emergency call with an alibi. Btw, what were Ron Ron's first words again when he got on the phone with 911? Wait.... let me guess.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::    ::MonkeyNoNo::     ::MonkeyNoNo::   





so true and why didnt MoRon make the 911 call??

To distance himself from the entire "abduction"......

Ron got the dumb beech to call so later he could reference that and was just a dumb beech and didnt understand... ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: And then married the dumb beech ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on March 14, 2009, 09:30:27 PM
I just found this on topix

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|Report Abuse |Judge it! |#7113 Sunday Mar 1
lingo123 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, substitute "Haleigh died of a drug overdose while Ron was at work" for "Haleigh died of her injuries while Ron was at work," and you can still arrive at the same conclusion.
Two points I'm still researching to confirm:
(1) A report that there was a flurry of phone calls to Ron from Misty sometime after midnight, while he was at work, and
2) A report that Ron was spotted on security cameras at a gas station around 2 .m. that night.

Agree points 1 & 2 are important here![/font]
Also if Haleigh sustained some injuries would not have Great Grannie noticed something unusual regarding Haleigh? Then again I'm not sure G Grannys story has been checked out. I would hope in there is ONE reliable individual in this group! 

has anyone heard anything about this report?

No but a great possibility..... ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 09:30:55 PM
Just throwing this out there....but if drugs are the reason for this abduction, I can not see them contacting the cops for help.  Throwing this all over television and the possible exposure would surely sign a death warrant for Haleigh....and possibly other family members as well.
The only reason I can think of is custody of JR, if they admitted to this scenario, it would jeapordize custody, but I'd spill my guts to everything I'd done down to stealing bubblegum when I was 2yrs old to find answers and get my child back.

You stole bubble gum when you were 2??   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyNoNo::
See, I knew you were not an innocent monkey.. thats why I send the trouble makers to sit with you.
 ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyShocked:: I was 2, NOW I am a sweet lil ole innocent quiet passive monkey ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: GramaMonkey on March 14, 2009, 09:32:58 PM
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

OK, I know I will get the heat for this...but I do need a question answered, if you may.

Did Ron say he was at work the night Haleigh went missing???


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on March 14, 2009, 09:33:12 PM
I just found this on topix

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|Report Abuse |Judge it! |#7113 Sunday Mar 1
lingo123 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, substitute "Haleigh died of a drug overdose while Ron was at work" for "Haleigh died of her injuries while Ron was at work," and you can still arrive at the same conclusion.
Two points I'm still researching to confirm:
(1) A report that there was a flurry of phone calls to Ron from Misty sometime after midnight, while he was at work, and
(2) A report that Ron was spotted on security cameras at a gas station around 2 .m. that night.
Agree points 1 & 2 are important here!

Also if Haleigh sustained some injuries would not have Great Grannie noticed something unusual regarding Haleigh? Then again I'm not sure G Grannys story has been checked out. I would hope in there is ONE reliable individual in this group! 
Well that is very interesting. o/t I know that the green lines that are appearing under some words is being worked on, but has anyone been knocked off as a guest. I came back twice from shopping, and I thought I got banned, my name was gone, and I was a guest.  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

iie done that went to post and would not let me... I was like I got ban Then i was thinking outloud for  which quote or pic.... ::MonkeyWink::


hehehe I was logged out... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 14, 2009, 09:34:41 PM
I just found this on topix

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lingo123 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, substitute "Haleigh died of a drug overdose while Ron was at work" for "Haleigh died of her injuries while Ron was at work," and you can still arrive at the same conclusion.
Two points I'm still researching to confirm:
(1) A report that there was a flurry of phone calls to Ron from Misty sometime after midnight, while he was at work, and
(2) A report that Ron was spotted on security cameras at a gas station around 2 .m. that night.
Agree points 1 & 2 are important here!

Also if Haleigh sustained some injuries would not have Great Grannie noticed something unusual regarding Haleigh? Then again I'm not sure G Grannys story has been checked out. I would hope in there is ONE reliable individual in this group! 

The bolded part above I haven't heard about yet.  Do we know yet who made these "reports"?  Wish we had a way to know for sure about those supposed flurry of calls!
 

 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Searching on March 14, 2009, 09:34:58 PM
algary, that;s one of the theories we've been tossing around alot~then you add in his pastor's comments about Ron not being an OFFICAL informant and it just fuels that theory.........by the way, anyone know what an unofficial informant is??

Brought this over from other thread..

That is where someone rats out their dealer,best friend or even their mother to get a reduced charge/sentence or no charge at all...



Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Heart on March 14, 2009, 09:36:57 PM
(http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/Bob_Self1(1).jpg)

- She is originally from Michigan. She has lived in Florida for about seven years. Croslin has lived in various parts of the state, including Daytona, where she lived with her brother.

- She has lived in Putnam County off and on for about a year. Her parents live here. She said she prefers city life.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090213/ARTICLES/902130293


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on March 14, 2009, 09:37:13 PM
algary, that;s one of the theories we've been tossing around alot~then you add in his pastor's comments about Ron not being an OFFICAL informant and it just fuels that theory.........by the way, anyone know what an unofficial informant is??

Brought this over from other thread..

That is where someone rats out their dealer,best friend or even their mother to get a reduced charge/sentence or no charge at all...



That makes sense... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: mioyshi on March 14, 2009, 09:38:24 PM
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

OK, I know I will get the heat for this...but I do need a question answered, if you may.

Did Ron say he was at work the night Haleigh went missing???

um, hey,,, I do not know, I was at work !!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: GramaMonkey on March 14, 2009, 09:39:35 PM
Quote from: Dolce on Today at 06:06:30 PM
Just throwing this out there....but if drugs are the reason for this abduction, I can not see them contacting the cops for help.  Throwing this all over television and the possible exposure would surely sign a death warrant for Haleigh....and possibly other family members as well.

Drugs could very well be the reason for HALEIGH MISSING!!  Maybe they never thought it would turn to this.  Maybe this is the reason that everyone's mouths are clamping shut. 

They needed help to find Haleigh.....which is what they want for sure, but they are not willing to give the...story...which may have resulted in her abduction. 

So they call the cops....and clam up!!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: higherhopes on March 14, 2009, 09:40:41 PM
The only reason for someone to  keep repeating the same thing over and over (I dont know what happened I was at work) is because they are trying to convince themselves and the other person that they were where they say they were!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 14, 2009, 09:41:46 PM
I just found this on topix

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|Report Abuse |Judge it! |#7113 Sunday Mar 1
lingo123 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, substitute "Haleigh died of a drug overdose while Ron was at work" for "Haleigh died of her injuries while Ron was at work," and you can still arrive at the same conclusion.
Two points I'm still researching to confirm:
(1) A report that there was a flurry of phone calls to Ron from Misty sometime after midnight, while he was at work, and
(2) A report that Ron was spotted on security cameras at a gas station around 2 .m. that night.
Agree points 1 & 2 are important here!

Also if Haleigh sustained some injuries would not have Great Grannie noticed something unusual regarding Haleigh? Then again I'm not sure G Grannys story has been checked out. I would hope in there is ONE reliable individual in this group! 

The bolded part above I haven't heard about yet.  Do we know yet who made these "reports"?  Wish we had a way to know for sure about those supposed flurry of calls!
 

 
Wow, I take a nap and wake up to a new thread!!! You all are some industrious monkeys here!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

OK, to this Topix thread - are they reliable or just shit starters? Do we know? And, IF Misty was doing oxycontin, is it possible she had some stashed away and Haleigh took one thinking it was candy???


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Searching on March 14, 2009, 09:43:06 PM
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

OK, I know I will get the heat for this...but I do need a question answered, if you may.

Did Ron say he was at work the night Haleigh went missing???

 ::MonkeyShocked::  Oh no you didn't..  ::MonkeyLaugh::

In Rons words....    " I don't know, I was at work"     
ha, I know how they can trip him up.... ask what exactly he was doing,as in task, that night at work

Like this...
"Ok Ron, been wondering and all,you know,what at work were you doing that night?any certain task"?

Ron " I don't know, I was at work"
 ::MonkeyConfused::

 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on March 14, 2009, 09:45:13 PM
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

OK, I know I will get the heat for this...but I do need a question answered, if you may.

Did Ron say he was at work the night Haleigh went missing???

 ::MonkeyShocked::  Oh no you didn't..  ::MonkeyLaugh::

In Rons words....    " I don't know, I was at work"     
ha, I know how they can trip him up.... ask what exactly he was doing,as in task, that night at work

Like this...
"Ok Ron, been wondering and all,you know,what at work were you doing that night?any certain task"?

Ron " I don't know, I was at work"
 ::MonkeyConfused::

 ::MonkeyDance::


 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 14, 2009, 09:45:35 PM

If you're into body language etc, this is a must read.  :-)

"Eyes for Lies: The Human Lie Detector Blog"
http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/03/ronald-misty-onthe-today-show.html (http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/03/ronald-misty-onthe-today-show.html)

My Thoughts: Ronald & Misty on The Today Show

excerpt pt 1 (The text in italics is the blogger)
"Meredith Vieira interviewed Ronald Cummings and Misty (nee Croslin) Cummings on The Today Show Friday. The video continues to support my original belief that both Ronald and Misty know more than they are telling us.

Interestingly enough, NBC reporter, Michelle Kosinski, now reports that the police are calling Misty "the key to solving this case." Police are finally publicly acknowledging that there are inconsistencies in Misty's statements.

However, Kosinski also reported that the police "...are satisfied that Ronald doesn't really know what happened to his little girl." I suspect this is a very strategic move by police. It does not discourage my original opinion as I still think Ronald knows more than he is letting on.


I was shocked to see Ronald didn't dress up for his wedding. His responses in this interview and the way he behaved through the whole wedding event, I think are supportive that he had other motives for this marriage than "love".

When I first saw Ronald and Misty in the interview, they did not appear happy or encouraged about being there (i.e. grateful for such an opportunity). I almost felt like they wanted a free trip to New York, and so they decided to do the interview as a means to that end.

Both looked very nervous, and not at all anxious or eager to be there to get the message out. Ronald says he went to New York to renew the focus back on Haleigh, but he had that same opportunity at home as we all know so that is ridiculous.





Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: GramaMonkey on March 14, 2009, 09:46:03 PM
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

OK, I know I will get the heat for this...but I do need a question answered, if you may.

Did Ron say he was at work the night Haleigh went missing???

um, hey,,, I do not know, I was at work !!!

hmmmm....do you work with Ron??      ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 09:49:02 PM
algary, that;s one of the theories we've been tossing around alot~then you add in his pastor's comments about Ron not being an OFFICAL informant and it just fuels that theory.........by the way, anyone know what an unofficial informant is??

Brought this over from other thread..

That is where someone rats out their dealer,best friend or even their mother to get a reduced charge/sentence or no charge at all...



Thanks~that was my post and also my assumption, but she found something on true unofficial informants, but I lean towards yours.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 14, 2009, 09:49:44 PM
I just found this on topix

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|Report Abuse |Judge it! |#7113 Sunday Mar 1
lingo123 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, substitute "Haleigh died of a drug overdose while Ron was at work" for "Haleigh died of her injuries while Ron was at work," and you can still arrive at the same conclusion.
Two points I'm still researching to confirm:
(1) A report that there was a flurry of phone calls to Ron from Misty sometime after midnight, while he was at work, and
(2) A report that Ron was spotted on security cameras at a gas station around 2 .m. that night.
Agree points 1 & 2 are important here!

Also if Haleigh sustained some injuries would not have Great Grannie noticed something unusual regarding Haleigh? Then again I'm not sure G Grannys story has been checked out. I would hope in there is ONE reliable individual in this group! 
Well that is very interesting. o/t I know that the green lines that are appearing under some words is being worked on, but has anyone been knocked off as a guest. I came back twice from shopping, and I thought I got banned, my name was gone, and I was a guest.  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

I have had connection problems all day with SM.

I was thinking maybe Dugga was doing some work.

Been annoying, to say the least ;-/


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 14, 2009, 09:51:09 PM
Thanks Brandi, I was just wondering if anyone else was having problems.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 09:52:54 PM

If you're into body language etc, this is a must read.  :-)

"Eyes for Lies: The Human Lie Detector Blog"
http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/03/ronald-misty-onthe-today-show.html (http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/03/ronald-misty-onthe-today-show.html)

My Thoughts: Ronald & Misty on The Today Show

excerpt pt 1 (The text in italics is the blogger)
"Meredith Vieira interviewed Ronald Cummings and Misty (nee Croslin) Cummings on The Today Show Friday. The video continues to support my original belief that both Ronald and Misty know more than they are telling us.

Interestingly enough, NBC reporter, Michelle Kosinski, now reports that the police are calling Misty "the key to solving this case." Police are finally publicly acknowledging that there are inconsistencies in Misty's statements.

However, Kosinski also reported that the police "...are satisfied that Ronald doesn't really know what happened to his little girl." I suspect this is a very strategic move by police. It does not discourage my original opinion as I still think Ronald knows more than he is letting on.


I was shocked to see Ronald didn't dress up for his wedding. His responses in this interview and the way he behaved through the whole wedding event, I think are supportive that he had other motives for this marriage than "love".

When I first saw Ronald and Misty in the interview, they did not appear happy or encouraged about being there (i.e. grateful for such an opportunity). I almost felt like they wanted a free trip to New York, and so they decided to do the interview as a means to that end.

Both looked very nervous, and not at all anxious or eager to be there to get the message out. Ronald says he went to New York to renew the focus back on Haleigh, but he had that same opportunity at home as we all know so that is ridiculous.





Thanks rana for bringing that over~I have been waiting for her to analyze it since the show......


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: GramaMonkey on March 14, 2009, 09:53:38 PM
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

OK, I know I will get the heat for this...but I do need a question answered, if you may.

Did Ron say he was at work the night Haleigh went missing???

 ::MonkeyShocked::  Oh no you didn't..  ::MonkeyLaugh::

In Rons words....    " I don't know, I was at work"     
ha, I know how they can trip him up.... ask what exactly he was doing,as in task, that night at work

Like this...
"Ok Ron, been wondering and all,you know,what at work were you doing that night?any certain task"?

Ron " I don't know, I was at work"
 ::MonkeyConfused::

 ::MonkeyDance::


Thanks, Mioyshi & Searching ~  I know it was such a tough question and knew it would really take some soul searching.



Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on March 14, 2009, 09:53:38 PM
Thanks Brandi, I was just wondering if anyone else was having problems.  ::MonkeyWink::

T had problem trying to get on.. Then I seen all those green underlines and I thought a sweet monkey was emphaizing word.... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Searching on March 14, 2009, 09:54:24 PM
algary, that;s one of the theories we've been tossing around alot~then you add in his pastor's comments about Ron not being an OFFICAL informant and it just fuels that theory.........by the way, anyone know what an unofficial informant is??

Brought this over from other thread..

That is where someone rats out their dealer,best friend or even their mother to get a reduced charge/sentence or no charge at all...



Thanks~that was my post and also my assumption, but she found something on true unofficial informants, but I lean towards yours.
in small towns, that is what I know the unofficial informant to be...  that's why when they get arrested, the LEO will ask them.. "do you wanna talk to me and help yourself out"... I know a few who have been unofficial informants...  :)


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 14, 2009, 09:54:24 PM
I'm to the point that any question asked of Ron w/have the same answer:

"Ron, why did you marry Misty?" Answer: "I don't know - I was at work."
"Ron, do you think Misty knows more than she is saying?' Answer - "I don't know - I was at work."
"Ron, do you know how many kids you really have?" Answer - "I don't know - I was at work."

Can anyone say "broken record" ?????????


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 14, 2009, 09:54:46 PM
Thanks Brandi, I was just wondering if anyone else was having problems.  ::MonkeyWink::

T had problem trying to get on.. Then I seen all those green underlines and I thought a sweet monkey was emphaizing word.... ::MonkeyTongue::
I thought that also.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on March 14, 2009, 09:55:46 PM
Thanks Brandi, I was just wondering if anyone else was having problems.  ::MonkeyWink::

I had problems loggin on.. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: klaasend on March 14, 2009, 09:57:43 PM
I just found this on topix

Reply »
|Report Abuse |Judge it! |#7113 Sunday Mar 1
lingo123 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, substitute "Haleigh died of a drug overdose while Ron was at work" for "Haleigh died of her injuries while Ron was at work," and you can still arrive at the same conclusion.
Two points I'm still researching to confirm:
(1) A report that there was a flurry of phone calls to Ron from Misty sometime after midnight, while he was at work, and
(2) A report that Ron was spotted on security cameras at a gas station around 2 .m. that night.
Agree points 1 & 2 are important here!

Also if Haleigh sustained some injuries would not have Great Grannie noticed something unusual regarding Haleigh? Then again I'm not sure G Grannys story has been checked out. I would hope in there is ONE reliable individual in this group! 

I wouldn't put much stock into what Lingo123 is saying, I believe they are simply theorizing like the rest of us:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/lingo123.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jaggard19 on March 14, 2009, 09:58:58 PM
I was going over missing children's news and came across two articles that I found very interesting and wanted to bring them to the attention of all the monkeys that are trying to solve the mystery of the disappearance of Haleigh Marie Cummings.

I wonder if there is a septic tank on the property where the mobile home is located (most of the mobile home parks use septic systems)?

This happened just last month in Texas:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/021809dnmetamber.284ab33d.html

and then, two years ago, in Montana:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,247258,00.html

Don't know if that was checked out by LE (I understand the search was INSIDE the mobile home, and the only outside part was the propped open door.  If Haleigh was carried to the drain/vent, then there would be no scent of Haleigh for the dogs to work from. 



Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Searching on March 14, 2009, 09:59:58 PM
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

OK, I know I will get the heat for this...but I do need a question answered, if you may.

Did Ron say he was at work the night Haleigh went missing???

 ::MonkeyShocked::  Oh no you didn't..  ::MonkeyLaugh::

In Rons words....    " I don't know, I was at work"     
ha, I know how they can trip him up.... ask what exactly he was doing,as in task, that night at work

Like this...
"Ok Ron, been wondering and all,you know,what at work were you doing that night?any certain task"?

Ron " I don't know, I was at work"
 ::MonkeyConfused::

 ::MonkeyDance::


Thanks, Mioyshi & Searching ~  I know it was such a tough question and knew it would really take some soul searching.



Hey, leave my soul outta this and in one piece, I'm getting ready to sell it to the devil for some info in this case..

..how much you think Cin will give me for it.   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 14, 2009, 10:01:44 PM

"Eyes for Lies: The Human Lie Detector Blog"
http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/03/ronald-misty-onthe-today-show.html (http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/03/ronald-misty-onthe-today-show.html)
 
Pt 2 : My Thoughts: Ronald & Misty on The Today Show
 except pt 2 (text by blogger is in  italics)

"Here are my thoughts on the interview with Ronald and Misty:
______________________________________________________

Vieira: ...so why did you want to come here today? What are
you hoping to accomplish, Ronald, today?

Ronald: Uh... to get the focus back on my daughter's missing (smirk). My five-year-old girl is gone, and I want to find her.

"What is fascinating about this is it's the first time I am seeing what appears to be delight in Ronald. In this statement, his face shows a very positive emotion. I am wondering if this is the first time he has heard that he is not being looked at by police, and that is giving him joy, but if that was the case, I would also expect to see a sense of "relief" which I do not. I just see a sense of joy. Why is Ronald feeling joy?"

Vieira: Have they said anything to you about any possible
leads at all?

Ronald: (curls his lower lip down and very slightly out, shakes his head no, and looks down, which is a sign of withdrawal--that doesn't want to talk about it.)

Vieira: Nothing.

"I don't believe Ronald here for an instant. He knows more than he is letting on. I suspect the police have told him some things that Ronald doesn't want to share with us. Perhaps it is that they are looking at Misty closer? Notice the "smirks" disappeared here? That question didn't make Ronald very happy. Why?

Vieira then goes on to discuss how Ronald, Jr. talked about a man dressed in black taking Haleigh, and she asks Misty if Ronald, Jr. told either one of them about this. Misty says "umm-um, nope", and Ronald responds:"

Ronald: Me, neither (slight smirk). I think this is some of the garbage that Geraldo and Crystal, the mother, has made up, but I'm just going to leave that at that.

"Notice how Ronald lights up when he talks about this? He is
working overtime to conceal his delight here. He almost is gritting his teeth to hold it back! I suspect he has really bad feelings towards Crystal right now and just get joy out of hitting back at her, too. Clearly, he is becoming more smug--almost arrogant."
 

Vieira: Oh, so you don't even believe that Ronald Jr. even said this at all?

Ronald: (Classic shoulder shrug, lip curl) I don't know.(Notice he is smirking!). I wasn't at home. I was at work (he's gloating!), (shoulder shrug) I can't tell you,  honestly.



Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 10:02:14 PM
Rana~I thought I'd bring over the entire eyes for lies post as she hits dead on with what the monkeys have noticed ourselves and gone over and over:

Saturday, March 14, 2009
My Thoughts: Ronald & Misty on The Today Show
Meredith Vieira interviewed Ronald Cummings and Misty (nee Croslin) Cummings on The Today Show Friday. The video continues to support my original belief that both Ronald and Misty know more than they are telling us.

Read moreInterestingly enough, NBC reporter, Michelle Kosinski, now reports that the police are calling Misty "the key to solving this case." Police are finally publicly acknowledging that there are inconsistencies in Misty's statements. However, Kosinski also reported that the police "...are satisfied that Ronald doesn't really know what happened to his little girl." I suspect this is a very strategic move by police. It does not discourage my original opinion as I still think Ronald knows more than he is letting on.

I was shocked to see Ronald didn't dress up for his wedding. His responses in this interview and the way he behaved through the whole wedding event, I think are supportive that he had other motives for this marriage than "love".

When I first saw Ronald and Misty in the interview, they did not appear happy or encouraged about being there (i.e. grateful for such an opportunity). I almost felt like they wanted a free trip to New York, and so they decided to do the interview as a means to that end. Both looked very nervous, and not at all anxious or eager to be there to get the message out. Ronald says he went to New York to renew the focus back on Haleigh, but he had that same opportunity at home as we all know so that is ridiculous.

Here are my thoughts on the interview with Ronald and Misty:

Vieira: ...so why did you want to come here today? What are you hoping to accomplish, Ronald, today?

Ronald: Uh... to get the focus back on my daughter's missing (smirk). My five-year-old girl is gone, and I want to find her.
What is fascinating about this is it's the first time I am seeing what appears to be delight in Ronald. In this statement, his face shows a very positive emotion. I am wondering if this is the first time he has heard that he is not being looked at by police, and that is giving him joy, but if that was the case, I would also expect to see a sense of "relief" which I do not. I just see a sense of joy. Why is Ronald feeling joy?

Vieira: Have they said anything to you about any possible leads at all?

Ronald: (curls his lower lip down and very slightly out, shakes his head no, and looks down, which is a sign of withdrawal--that doesn't want to talk about it.)

Vieira: Nothing.


I don't believe Ronald here for an instant. He knows more than he is letting on. I suspect the police have told him some things that Ronald doesn't want to share with us. Perhaps it is that they are looking at Misty closer? Notice the "smirks" disappeared here? That question didn't make Ronald very happy. Why?

Vieira then goes on to discuss how Ronald, Jr. talked about a man dressed in black taking Haleigh, and she asks Misty if Ronald, Jr. told either one of them about this. Misty says "umm-um, nope", and Ronald responds:

Ronald: Me, neither (slight smirk). I think this is some of the garbage that Geraldo and Crystal, the mother, has made up, but I'm just going to leave that at that.
Notice how Ronald lights up when he talks about this? He is working overtime to conceal his delight here. He almost is gritting his teeth to hold it back! I suspect he has really bad feelings towards Crystal right now and just get joy out of hitting back at her, too. Clearly, he is becoming more smug--almost arrogant.

Vieira: Oh, so you don't even believe that Ronald Jr. even said this at all?

Ronald: (Classic shoulder shrug, lip curl) I don't know. (Notice he is smirking!). I wasn't at home. I was at work (he's gloating!), (shoulder shrug) I can't tell you, honestly.

I don't believe Ronald here for a second! Ronald is exceptionally smug in this video. He has an arrogance about him that is palpable. One indication of Ronald's arrogance here is how he cocks his head backward and looks down his nose at Vieira. Does he think he is fooling the world right now, or what?

Throughout much of the interview, Ronald has a very nervous energy about him. Notice how he wiggles his leg? I get the sense he really wants to say so much more. Ronald, I suspect, if he could tell us his true thoughts, would tell you he feels like he is in a vice.

Do you notice Misty is biting her lip? It's an indication she is very nervous. She's tense and scared. I suspect her heart is really pounding in her chest.

Ronald looks very intently at Vieira at times in this interview. If I were Vieira, I would find his looks threatening. They actually get my heart pounding. He then licks his lips, and I just get this feeling he is very volatile or could explode at any second. Misty licks her lips as well, but I don't feel threatened by her. I feel she is very nervous and uncomfortable. Two different emotions from these two people who both lick their lips.

Vieira then asks Misty why she stopped talking to investigators earlier this week, and Misty tells us the investigator was being very rude to her, and she wasn't comfortable talking to him. I believe she is being dead honest here. She gets quite confident when she says this, which we have rarely seen Misty do. Misty is usually very timid because she is feeling insecure about the things she has been telling us. Notice how her words flow here, how she doesn't have to think about what she is talking about here? This is Misty when she is honest and sincere with us.

Do you see Ronald do his infamous "under-eye" watch of Misty when she talks? This shows exceptionally controlling behavior on behalf of Ronald. He is dying to look at Misty and give her a look, or a message that he doesn't approve of what she is saying, but he doesn't dare do it. He continues to restrain himself.

Vieira to Misty: So he was accusing you of lying to him?

Misty: Yeah.

Ronald: After passing the polygraph (smiling).

Vieira: I think part of the problem is there have been a certain number of inconsistencies, or what's perceived to be inconsistencies, because you first said that Haleigh was in bed with you, then you said she was on the mattress next to you. This is an opportunity to clarify. You've had time to think through what happened that night. Can you walk us through it, one more time, your best recollection of what happened the night Haleigh disappeared?
When Misty gives her response, you can clearly see her thinking as she talks about it. Notice how different her behavior is here, compared to when she was telling us the truth above? Her words do not flow naturally here whereas above, they did.

Vieira: Help me out, Misty. Why were there inconsistencies? Why did you say one thing, one time, and one time, the other?

Misty: (Notice how she purses her lips?) Ummm..... (Notice how she shakes her head to suggest she is thinking "I don't know"? Notice how she looks to Ron for an answer, and then she looks down?) I don't know (she shrugs her shoulders simultaneously).

When Misty looks to Ron during the interview segment above for help, it is fascinating because it is strongly suggestive for us that Ronald is the one who is the decision maker of the two of them--the one who is in charge in their relationship. Misty looks to Ronald for answers.

During this segment, Ronald also looks down and is very intense. His behavior is indicative of withdrawal. When two people are in cahoots, and one says something the other doesn't agree with, one will often withdrawal by looking down and ceasing all communication. It's a powerful message of disapproval, which further supports he is the controlling one of the two of them, however, Misty totally misses it.

Why is Ronald so controlling over this situation if, (a) they are telling the truth, (b) he is innocent? It is flat out inconsistent! If they were honest and truthful, he would have no reason to worry about Misty, but he clearly does!

Vieira: Then yesterday you guys got married, Ronald. Why was that an important thing for you to do?

Ronald: I don't know. I think my little girl would have wanted it. I would have rather her to have been there so obviously when we get her back (smirk), we will....do...a much larger, better way (super slight smirk), but we're just...that's just still (smirking) taking the focus off of (smiling) Haleigh (smile continues). We need to be focused on Haleigh (smile ceases abruptly) and not what I am focused on in my personal life.
Notice Misty keeps licking her lips? I wonder if because she is nervous, she is breathing more, and it is drying out her lips.

This segment is very telling about why Ronald married. If Misty was the reason, I would think he would talk about her first, but he doesn't. It's a strong indication there were other motives that Ronald doesn't want to talk about.

I think we are seeing classic duper's delight at this point when Cummings is talking about having a much better wedding when Haleigh returns. As soon as he thinks about himself again, his emotion change because he is frustrated that his privacy is invaded.

Vieira: Is there anything else you would like to say in case somebody is out there who might know something?

Ronald: Ummm.... if you (smirking) know something (looking up thinking), please call the crime stoppers....or....the....any local sheriffs office...and....if my little girl is watching, baby, I love you.
Do you notice how Ron has to think to do what is important for his daughter? It's mind blowing! Notice how he doesn't talk to the camera, that he only glances at it? This is indicative that he doesn't believe she is out there listening. He also has no genuine inflection in his voice. He is monotone every time he talks to Haleigh. Why does he smirk again?

Vieira: And Misty as you sit here, do you believe in your heart that they see you as a suspect?

Misty: (very smug, perhaps a form of denial) No, I don't (notice the brief head swagger?)

Ronald: I don't either (smirking). I talked to the lead detective. His name is John Merchant.

Vieira: And he said?

Ronald: (smirking) Nope, he doesn't think that she is a suspect.
Ronald is arrogant in this interview, and feels a sense of joy, which I suspect is duper's delight. Is that because he doesn't believe the police are on to him now, and that he is getting away with it?

I do think Misty is the "key" to solving this case because she depends heavily on Ronald, and Ronald is very volatile, if you want my opinion. If Ronald were to be put under more pressure, he could very likely become unpredictable and even dangerous, and police may know that, so hence Misty is their best shot at getting to the truth, if they can't find Haleigh on their own.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 14, 2009, 10:02:37 PM
I just found this on topix

Reply »
|Report Abuse |Judge it! |#7113 Sunday Mar 1
lingo123 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, substitute "Haleigh died of a drug overdose while Ron was at work" for "Haleigh died of her injuries while Ron was at work," and you can still arrive at the same conclusion.
Two points I'm still researching to confirm:
(1) A report that there was a flurry of phone calls to Ron from Misty sometime after midnight, while he was at work, and
(2) A report that Ron was spotted on security cameras at a gas station around 2 .m. that night.
Agree points 1 & 2 are important here!

Also if Haleigh sustained some injuries would not have Great Grannie noticed something unusual regarding Haleigh? Then again I'm not sure G Grannys story has been checked out. I would hope in there is ONE reliable individual in this group! 

I wouldn't put much stock into what Lingo123 is saying, I believe they are simply theorizing like the rest of us:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/lingo123.jpg)
Klaasend, thanks for this. I think it speaks Volumes!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Searching on March 14, 2009, 10:03:57 PM
I was going over missing children's news and came across two articles that I found very interesting and wanted to bring them to the attention of all the monkeys that are trying to solve the mystery of the disappearance of Haleigh Marie Cummings.

I wonder if there is a septic tank on the property where the mobile home is located (most of the mobile home parks use septic systems)?

This happened just last month in Texas:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/021809dnmetamber.284ab33d.html

and then, two years ago, in Montana:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,247258,00.html

Don't know if that was checked out by LE (I understand the search was INSIDE the mobile home, and the only outside part was the propped open door.  If Haleigh was carried to the drain/vent, then there would be no scent of Haleigh for the dogs to work from. 


I would think that the MH has it's own septic tank yes... That is a very possible theory....


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on March 14, 2009, 10:04:52 PM
I was going over missing children's news and came across two articles that I found very interesting and wanted to bring them to the attention of all the monkeys that are trying to solve the mystery of the disappearance of Haleigh Marie Cummings.

I wonder if there is a septic tank on the property where the mobile home is located (most of the mobile home parks use septic systems)?

This happened just last month in Texas:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/021809dnmetamber.284ab33d.html

and then, two years ago, in Montana:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,247258,00.html

Don't know if that was checked out by LE (I understand the search was INSIDE the mobile home, and the only outside part was the propped open door.  If Haleigh was carried to the drain/vent, then there would be no scent of Haleigh for the dogs to work from. 



Good possibility.. Have they check the Cummings family homes and  yard out?


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Blue Moon on March 14, 2009, 10:05:28 PM
If I understand correctly Haleigh had asthma right?  My son had asthma at her age also and it was very scary.  I would have to take him into the emergency room so they could put him on that machine.  Once he went through that he was o.k.  But they never let me have a machine at home.  Later on they had to give him an inhaler.  Doctor showed him how and when to use it.  But the doctor also told me to keep it locked up from  him and only let him use it when he had an attack.  She said too  much medication like that can cause heart problems and they can die from it.  So I was very careful with him using the inhaler.

Could this be as simple (I know not a good word here) as Misty overdid the medication and heart stopped? 

Would explain her actions.  It would not explain why she would dispose of her and not report it as accidental though. 

Just thinking out loud here.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 14, 2009, 10:06:55 PM
The only reason for someone to  keep repeating the same thing over and over (I dont know what happened I was at work) is because they are trying to convince themselves and the other person that they were where they say they were!

Very true HH!  Yeppers, very true. 



Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 14, 2009, 10:07:58 PM
not sure if this was post before.


Sykes says the couple was married by a notary public with only close family members present. She says the location of the ceremony was finalized late Wednesday night.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133610&catid=3


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 14, 2009, 10:10:14 PM
Thanks for posting that eyes for lies from the Today Show, I agree with this person, to me it is very accurate, at least for me and my interpretation of the show.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: mioyshi on March 14, 2009, 10:10:41 PM
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

OK, I know I will get the heat for this...but I do need a question answered, if you may.

Did Ron say he was at work the night Haleigh went missing???

 ::MonkeyShocked::  Oh no you didn't..  ::MonkeyLaugh::

In Rons words....    " I don't know, I was at work"     
ha, I know how they can trip him up.... ask what exactly he was doing,as in task, that night at work

Like this...
"Ok Ron, been wondering and all,you know,what at work were you doing that night?any certain task"?

Ron " I don't know, I was at work"
 ::MonkeyConfused::

 ::MonkeyDance::


Thanks, Mioyshi & Searching ~  I know it was such a tough question and knew it would really take some soul searching.



well, I can not vouch for sure as to where rc was,  even though he has done his best to convince us all he was at work,,,but, from reading the arrest reports, and the drugs involved, I can say it is probable that rc snitched on who ever they were getting their pills from.
 And morphine, yikes, they do some heavy stuff, makes since to me now, why mistys fingers are so brown, and the three day binge, not from drinking, but, those pills and that meth will take time from them, and their life.   


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 14, 2009, 10:14:13 PM
Mioyshi, I never noticed Misty's fingers being brown, what drug would cause that, I don't understand.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: higherhopes on March 14, 2009, 10:17:32 PM
The only reason for someone to  keep repeating the same thing over and over (I dont know what happened I was at work) is because they are trying to convince themselves and the other person that they were where they say they were!

Very true HH!  Yeppers, very true. 


Ronald is making himself look suspicious by saying this one phrase over and over, you know kinda like when a child does something but lies about it, he will   just keep on and on talking about the same thing trying to convince you that he is telling the truth, its a dead giveaway, remember Im a juvenile counselor and this is something we learn early on, the hit pig squeals the loundest!!!!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on March 14, 2009, 10:21:39 PM
Good Night Sweet Monkeys.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 14, 2009, 10:21:54 PM
The only reason for someone to  keep repeating the same thing over and over (I dont know what happened I was at work) is because they are trying to convince themselves and the other person that they were where they say they were!

Very true HH!  Yeppers, very true. 


Ronald is making himself look suspicious by saying this one phrase over and over, you know kinda like when a child does something but lies about it, he will   just keep on and on talking about the same thing trying to convince you that he is telling the truth, its a dead giveaway, remember Im a juvenile counselor and this is something we learn early on, the hit pig squeals the loundest!!!!!!

Yes!!  And very often, the one who got hit and is squealing the loudest is the one who started it in the first place. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Foggy Dew on March 14, 2009, 10:22:08 PM
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

OK, I know I will get the heat for this...but I do need a question answered, if you may.

Did Ron say he was at work the night Haleigh went missing???


Yes, over and over and over and over... :smt101  And no heat from this quarter btw.  :2rofl:


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: TxLady2 on March 14, 2009, 10:23:21 PM

Yeah, I'm on a toot.  :-)

http://www.haloscan.com/comments/fredettte/3990604002114009574/ (http://www.haloscan.com/comments/fredettte/3990604002114009574/)

[snip]"...The issue of Cummings' actions, attitude toward the press "bothering" him, speaks volumes, in my mind, as to who is at the center of his thoughts, and it's not his missing child, it's himself.

The tattoo incident is just another example of this man's self-centeredness, in my view.
People don't go to the barber shop or beauty salon, or go buy new clothes when their child goes missing. They might go to a therapist, to a doctor for medications, to a support group, or stop drinking or blame themselves.

But to do something as self-aggrandizing as to go get a tattoo, well, I have no words to describe how egomaniacal that appears to any outsider. "




Not to mention getting married and going to NYC to be on the Today show.
TN says they needed something to make them happy, this has all been so hard on them, so getting married would create a little diversion for them in this situation. (paraphrased)
Ok, most fathers wouldn't be worried about being happy... having their daughter back home would make them happy... not marrying the "dumb b%%&$" who let her get "stole." (His words.)


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 14, 2009, 10:25:31 PM
Good Night Sweet Monkeys.... ::MonkeyCool::
Good Night, I think I'll go also, been a long day.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Heart on March 14, 2009, 10:26:01 PM
algary, that;s one of the theories we've been tossing around alot~then you add in his pastor's comments about Ron not being an OFFICAL informant and it just fuels that theory.........by the way, anyone know what an unofficial informant is??

Brought this over from other thread..

That is where someone rats out their dealer,best friend or even their mother to get a reduced charge/sentence or no charge at all...



anyone can be an "unofficial informant" and "cooperative witness." Every person you contact is a potential gang informant. Kids, moms, girlfriends, the local letter carrier, and especially the nosy old lady down the street have all witnessed gang crimes in progress. They hold the solution to many crimes. Treat them that way.

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:S14WSIapOEIJ:www.policemag.com/Articles/2007/07/Investigating-Gangs-Outside-the-Gang-Squad.aspx+unofficial+informant+gang&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: higherhopes on March 14, 2009, 10:26:08 PM
hey has anyone tried this,  lets look in a high school year book when either Ronald or Mistie was in school, get some names of their classmates and go see if any of them have a my space, if they do and its public some are bound to be talking about this case, it would be interesting to see what they are saying about it, they would know them personally and would probably give some insights into this case.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: higherhopes on March 14, 2009, 10:27:47 PM
Hey  how come some of our words have green lines underneith them when we didnt put them there?


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 14, 2009, 10:28:00 PM
hey has anyone tried this,  lets look in a high school year book when either Ronald or Mistie was in school, get some names of their classmates and go see if any of them have a my space, if they do and its public some are bound to be talking about this case, it would be interesting to see what they are saying about it, they would know them personally and would probably give some insights into this case.
Good thought, except did either go to high school long enough to be in their year book?? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 14, 2009, 10:28:34 PM
hey has anyone tried this,  lets look in a high school year book when either Ronald or Mistie was in school, get some names of their classmates and go see if any of them have a my space, if they do and its public some are bound to be talking about this case, it would be interesting to see what they are saying about it, they would know them personally and would probably give some insights into this case.
I like the way you think, Ron will have a year book, but Misty hasn't been in school for years. I can just imagine what people are saying.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: mioyshi on March 14, 2009, 10:29:07 PM
Mioyshi, I never noticed Misty's fingers being brown, what drug would cause that, I don't understand.  ::MonkeyConfused::

the meth causes the fingers to get brown, because they put a pill in something to heat, or make it a liquid. Then they use needles, to shoot the pills, or meth, whichever they are privi too at the moment. The burning, or melting, causes the fingers to stain. I noticed it when they were showing off her ring.

My neighborhood is filled with meth heads.  they cook the stuff, it lingers in these trees, and we have even gotten sick from the cooking smell. They use it, sell it, then run out, and fight, It makes them mad when they run out.

Here, they cook it in the woods, using propane, and most are very explosive. The guys who are cooking it will check on their stuff cooking in the woods at least 2 times a day. I watch them.  My nearest neighbors house, they cook meth. Everyone knows, and no one will do anything about it.  I have seen 5 ambulances go there in last 5 yrs, for 5 overdoses. Not one person was ever arrested.

They use 4 wheelers to go into the woods, and they put flags up on 4 wheelers driving through the town, telling everyone the batch is done. WE have watched, and kept our distance from these people, But, they are all alike. The drug controls them.

Satsuma is a wooded area, just like here, and I see the mentality similar, lack of education, and not much chance of getting out of the crab bucket for most. I know a child here, his mom is a meth head. This boy knows every drug dealer in the town. He knows how to tie his arm off if he used a needle. And he knows this  by watching his mother.
The meth heads like to trade pills for weed. It is a racket for sure. and a shame for all involved. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: higherhopes on March 14, 2009, 10:29:54 PM
hey has anyone tried this,  lets look in a high school year book when either Ronald or Mistie was in school, get some names of their classmates and go see if any of them have a my space, if they do and its public some are bound to be talking about this case, it would be interesting to see what they are saying about it, they would know them personally and would probably give some insights into this case.
Good thought, except did either go to high school long enough to be in their year book?? ::MonkeyConfused::
well I hope they went at least a couple af days....lol


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: TxLady2 on March 14, 2009, 10:31:56 PM
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

OK, I know I will get the heat for this...but I do need a question answered, if you may.

Did Ron say he was at work the night Haleigh went missing???

Yep... about 4 dozen times so far.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 14, 2009, 10:34:06 PM
Mioyshi, thanks for that info, I have to say I'm sitting here shocked. I am not familiar at all with meth, only somethings I've seen on some detective shows I watch. It is hard to understand how one lives like that being so addicted, I just don't get it, never will.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: darla on March 14, 2009, 10:36:02 PM
Being a heavy smoker can also turn the fingers brown..Nicotine stains


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 14, 2009, 10:36:38 PM


GREAT, IM, thanks.  :-) You beat me to it. My pc went wonky again. WTH?

Anyway, I wanted  -- and had definitely intended -- to post the whole thing b/c to me it is absolutely CHILLING in its entirety and spot on. YIKES.

MOO :-)





Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: JuJu on March 14, 2009, 10:38:03 PM
there were some of those fools here cooking meth in the trunk of their car......it blew up on the busiest street in town


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 14, 2009, 10:40:17 PM
Good Night Sweet Monkeys.... ::MonkeyCool::
Good Night, I think I'll go also, been a long day.

Good night, you two!

As always, been a pleasure posting with you!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: darla on March 14, 2009, 10:42:26 PM
Are septic tanks made that way in Fla.? Ours are different here in S.C.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: flossy on March 14, 2009, 10:43:56 PM
If I understand correctly Haleigh had asthma right?  My son had asthma at her age also and it was very scary.  I would have to take him into the emergency room so they could put him on that machine.  Once he went through that he was o.k.  But they never let me have a machine at home.  Later on they had to give him an inhaler.  Doctor showed him how and when to use it.  But the doctor also told me to keep it locked up from  him and only let him use it when he had an attack.  She said too  much medication like that can cause heart problems and they can die from it.  So I was very careful with him using the inhaler.

Could this be as simple (I know not a good word here) as Misty overdid the medication and heart stopped? 

Would explain her actions.  It would not explain why she would dispose of her and not report it as accidental though. 

Just thinking out loud here.

I also wonder if, along those same lines, maybe she had an attack while Misty was out running around with friends (I'm still convinced she wasn't in the home for several hours that night) and as a result, poor Haleigh had nobody there to give her the medication she needed.   She could have had a severe enough attack that it killed her.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 14, 2009, 10:44:33 PM
Mioyshi, thanks for that info, I have to say I'm sitting here shocked. I am not familiar at all with meth, only somethings I've seen on some detective shows I watch. It is hard to understand how one lives like that being so addicted, I just don't get it, never will.  ::MonkeyEek::

yes, I had to read Mioyshi's post to my husband.

Shocking.

Thanks for the insight.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: higherhopes on March 14, 2009, 10:45:50 PM
Are septic tanks made that way in Fla.? Ours are different here in S.C.
Mines not and neither are any of my families, they only have a small pipe that goes into the drain for the septic tank, not big enough for a child, only way to dispose of a child in a septic tank here you would have to dig down to the big opening!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 14, 2009, 10:46:05 PM
Thanks for posting that eyes for lies from the Today Show, I agree with this person, to me it is very accurate, at least for me and my interpretation of the show.  ::MonkeyEek::


Yeah, No Rose, me too; this person is interesting and generally says what I'm thinking almost exactly... from what I've read so far -and that's most of the Haleigh case entries. 

She doesn't have lofty claims that she is "never" wrong. (She just hasn't been so far heh) And she doesn't wait until after the fact to say what she thinks (shades of one, Mr. L. Pa-DILL-ah who shares his bombshells after they happen  - duh. Even *I* can do that hehehe)

(Well, I predict Obama's gonna win.)

(Oh really? Cos he already did; BOMBSHELL! except not.)    :-)




Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: mioyshi on March 14, 2009, 10:48:21 PM
Mioyshi, thanks for that info, I have to say I'm sitting here shocked. I am not familiar at all with meth, only somethings I've seen on some detective shows I watch. It is hard to understand how one lives like that being so addicted, I just don't get it, never will.  ::MonkeyEek::

I agree, I myself am shocked at what I see, and more shocked that we can not do anything about it , as it is so wide spread here.  I had no idea what went on in the woods till I left Orlando, but, I must say, I have been educated on the happenings of the major drug dealers.

The most important thing I have learned, is that if you narc on them, you will come up missing or thrown in the river for gator bait.  I once gave a ride to a woman and her young girl, taking them home per their instructions , it was in our neighborhood.
 We did not really know her, but it was hot, and the child looked like they had been walking a while. So, when we drove up the hidden drive way, a man walked from the trees,, holding an ak rifle, he came to the car, and said to us, " who the f*** are you?"  Turned out, it was her ex, and he had visitasion that weekend.

Well, needless to say, I do not give anyone a ride anymore, not even if they jump out in front of the car. I lock the door, and go about my business.  Sitting in our one and only grocery store parking lot, it looks like every man on americas most wanted is going in there for beer and bologona !! smiles, mio


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: darla on March 14, 2009, 10:50:14 PM
Are septic tanks made that way in Fla.? Ours are different here in S.C.
Mines not and neither are any of my families, they only have a small pipe that goes into the drain for the septic tank, not big enough for a child, only way to dispose of a child in a septic tank here you would have to dig down to the big opening!

I know here in S.C. mine has a huge slab of cement over the top and about 12in of dirt and grass. Can always tell where it and the drain lines are...the grass is always greener. The slab is as big as the tank and they use a backhoe to lift it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: JuJu on March 14, 2009, 10:51:25 PM
this poor baby never had a chance......so many things could have happened



Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: TxLady2 on March 14, 2009, 10:55:41 PM
The only reason for someone to  keep repeating the same thing over and over (I dont know what happened I was at work) is because they are trying to convince themselves and the other person that they were where they say they were!

Very true HH!  Yeppers, very true. 


Ronald is making himself look suspicious by saying this one phrase over and over, you know kinda like when a child does something but lies about it, he will   just keep on and on talking about the same thing trying to convince you that he is telling the truth, its a dead giveaway, remember Im a juvenile counselor and this is something we learn early on, the hit pig squeals the loundest!!!!!!

So very true. For him to keep repeating that phrase, it's like he's overdoing his alibi. And that answer was inappropriate when Meredith asked him if he didn't believe Jr. told that to his mother about the man in black. He wasn't at work when Jr. told Crystal, so that answer was not necessary, he could have just said he didn't know. Period.
I am not a counselor, but I've dealt with enough teenagers as well as lying adults to know that if a person keeps on repeating something as an excuse or an alibi, it's probably not the truth.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: mioyshi on March 14, 2009, 10:56:08 PM
Are septic tanks made that way in Fla.? Ours are different here in S.C.

since that trailor is near the river, they probally have to have a proper septic. Means, it is a cement box of sorts, with a cement lid. Then, there are pipes leading out of the cement box, allowing the matter to drain and disolve.

one would have to dig the top , in order to put a child in there. That would most certainly show on the earth. the tanks are normally about 2 feet underground.

But, if the land has been grandfathered in, there could be just a 55 gallon drum put in there for septic.  Now, environmentalist here have made it so if you are near or on the rivers, septic tanks are under strict code enforcements, unless grandfathered in by time.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 14, 2009, 10:56:42 PM
Mioyshi, thanks for that info, I have to say I'm sitting here shocked. I am not familiar at all with meth, only somethings I've seen on some detective shows I watch. It is hard to understand how one lives like that being so addicted, I just don't get it, never will.  ::MonkeyEek::

I agree, I myself am shocked at what I see, and more shocked that we can not do anything about it , as it is so wide spread here.  I had no idea what went on in the woods till I left Orlando, but, I must say, I have been educated on the happenings of the major drug dealers.

The most important thing I have learned, is that if you narc on them, you will come up missing or thrown in the river for gator bait.  I once gave a ride to a woman and her young girl, taking them home per their instructions , it was in our neighborhood.
 We did not really know her, but it was hot, and the child looked like they had been walking a while. So, when we drove up the hidden drive way, a man walked from the trees,, holding an ak rifle, he came to the car, and said to us, " who the f*** are you?"  Turned out, it was her ex, and he had visitasion that weekend.

Well, needless to say, I do not give anyone a ride anymore, not even if they jump out in front of the car. I lock the door, and go about my business.  Sitting in our one and only grocery store parking lot, it looks like every man on americas most wanted is going in there for beer and bologona !! smiles, mio

In this video Misty's eyes are very dilated

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18700882/index.html


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: mioyshi on March 14, 2009, 11:01:39 PM
there were some of those fools here cooking meth in the trunk of their car......it blew up on the busiest street in town

one day, my same neighbors, all came running out of their house, and then we hear this explosion, and black smoke billowed from their house.  ANd then, they also like to use small travel trailors, and make that meth in or near the camp grounds.
yikes, I hope no one from my town reads this site...I should not be telling all their secrets.
It might make them have to go somewhere else to cook !!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: klaasend on March 14, 2009, 11:03:59 PM
Hey  how come some of our words have green lines underneith them when we didnt put them there?

It's some stuff that Dugga was testing out tonight.  He said he'll be turning if off tonight.  It was just a test.  I told him I didn't like it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: higherhopes on March 14, 2009, 11:05:56 PM
Hey  how come some of our words have green lines underneith them when we didnt put them there?

It's some stuff that Dugga was testing out tonight.  He said he'll be turning if off tonight.  It was just a test.  I told him I didn't like it.
Thank You Klaas, I was just wondering if I did something to my settings...


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: mioyshi on March 14, 2009, 11:06:43 PM
Mioyshi, thanks for that info, I have to say I'm sitting here shocked. I am not familiar at all with meth, only somethings I've seen on some detective shows I watch. It is hard to understand how one lives like that being so addicted, I just don't get it, never will.  ::MonkeyEek::

I agree, I myself am shocked at what I see, and more shocked that we can not do anything about it , as it is so wide spread here.  I had no idea what went on in the woods till I left Orlando, but, I must say, I have been educated on the happenings of the major drug dealers.

The most important thing I have learned, is that if you narc on them, you will come up missing or thrown in the river for gator bait.  I once gave a ride to a woman and her young girl, taking them home per their instructions , it was in our neighborhood.
 We did not really know her, but it was hot, and the child looked like they had been walking a while. So, when we drove up the hidden drive way, a man walked from the trees,, holding an ak rifle, he came to the car, and said to us, " who the f*** are you?"  Turned out, it was her ex, and he had visitasion that weekend.

Well, needless to say, I do not give anyone a ride anymore, not even if they jump out in front of the car. I lock the door, and go about my business.  Sitting in our one and only grocery store parking lot, it looks like every man on americas most wanted is going in there for beer and bologona !! smiles, mio

In this video Misty's eyes are very dilated

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18700882/index.html

my point exactly.. The drug messes with their mind so much, they really are not aware of all their doings.  She also lived in daytona beach, another bad drug area. It all just makes me shake my head, as I dont get how they do it, or get away with it, but they do.
I just wish they would stop breeding, and give these children a chance at life.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: IBE on March 14, 2009, 11:08:10 PM
I agree... get rid of the green lines.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: TxLady2 on March 14, 2009, 11:09:41 PM
About a septic tank. Don't know how it is there, but here, if it is within the city limits, they won't let you use one, you are hooked into the city water and sewer system. 
According to someone who is local there, this is not a trailer park, it is a nice community where a lot of retired people live, and with mobile homes that are permanently fixed to the ground. So there might be a city water and sewer system, rather than septic tanks. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: higherhopes on March 14, 2009, 11:11:03 PM
hobbit55 wrote:
<quoted text>
LMAO! Good one!
I don't think they'll be making a trip down to the station unless LE wants them there.(based solely on a hunch) They already knew LE didn't tell them they passed and I can pretty much bet they knew that Misty, at least, is a suspect, and yet they claimed otherwise to convince the public and media they weren't suspects.
Last thing they want to do is go complaining to LE that they got caught lieing to everyone.
I'm still waiting for this video Amsterdampictures at youtube is supposed to be putting together. He is the owner of the Aces and Eights tattoo shop and says he has a number of camera's in the shop and has video of the whole 6 hours Ron and Misty were there that he is putting together to publish.
Considering his opinion of Ron after that day, I have a feeling that video is going to change a lot of minds, especially the "poor Ron" crowd.
Have you talked to Doc yet? Owner of Aces and Eights. He's a real nice guy, give a call, & he will tell some sh*t. Ron offered him drugs!!!& said, "I have a bag (pot)in my pocket & I can't touch it, because Family & Children is on my as*!!!! I can't wait until all this sh*t is over, so I can burn one." end of Ron's quote.. Doc will be more than Happy to talk on the phone with people, as long as your not being nice towards Ron,lol...I meet Doc (Amsterdampictures) on Youtube & he gave me his phone # & email address. He talk to me for about a hour on the phone, & wow he told me some sh*t about Ron & Misty.



I wonder if this guy is telling the truth, or just saying crap,  I think I want to talk to him, whats up Doc!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Searching on March 14, 2009, 11:11:20 PM
http://www.nida.nih.gov/InfoFacts/methamphetamine.html


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: darla on March 14, 2009, 11:15:04 PM
hobbit55 wrote:
<quoted text>
LMAO! Good one!
I don't think they'll be making a trip down to the station unless LE wants them there.(based solely on a hunch) They already knew LE didn't tell them they passed and I can pretty much bet they knew that Misty, at least, is a suspect, and yet they claimed otherwise to convince the public and media they weren't suspects.
Last thing they want to do is go complaining to LE that they got caught lieing to everyone.
I'm still waiting for this video Amsterdampictures at youtube is supposed to be putting together. He is the owner of the Aces and Eights tattoo shop and says he has a number of camera's in the shop and has video of the whole 6 hours Ron and Misty were there that he is putting together to publish.
Considering his opinion of Ron after that day, I have a feeling that video is going to change a lot of minds, especially the "poor Ron" crowd.
Have you talked to Doc yet? Owner of Aces and Eights. He's a real nice guy, give a call, & he will tell some sh*t. Ron offered him drugs!!!& said, "I have a bag (pot)in my pocket & I can't touch it, because Family & Children is on my as*!!!! I can't wait until all this sh*t is over, so I can burn one." end of Ron's quote.. Doc will be more than Happy to talk on the phone with people, as long as your not being nice towards Ron,lol...I meet Doc (Amsterdampictures) on Youtube & he gave me his phone # & email address. He talk to me for about a hour on the phone, & wow he told me some sh*t about Ron & Misty.



I wonder if this guy is telling the truth, or just saying crap,  I think I want to talk to him, whats up Doc!!!!!!!!!

Oh gosh HH....what time are you calling???Be sure to let us know. I do hope if he has all he is spouting off about he has turned it over to LE


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Searching on March 14, 2009, 11:15:39 PM
Snipped from link I posted..

What Other Adverse Effects Does Methamphetamine Have on Health?

Taking even small amounts of methamphetamine can result in increased wakefulness, increased physical activity, decreased appetite, increased respiration, rapid heart rate, irregular heartbeat, increased blood pressure, and hyperthermia.

Long-term methamphetamine abuse has many negative consequences, including extreme weight loss, severe dental problems, anxiety, confusion, insomnia, mood disturbances, and violent behavior. Chronic methamphetamine abusers can also display a number of psychotic features, including paranoia, visual and auditory hallucinations, and delusions (for example, the sensation of insects creeping under the skin).


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Blue Moon on March 14, 2009, 11:20:08 PM
If I understand correctly Haleigh had asthma right?  My son had asthma at her age also and it was very scary.  I would have to take him into the emergency room so they could put him on that machine.  Once he went through that he was o.k.  But they never let me have a machine at home.  Later on they had to give him an inhaler.  Doctor showed him how and when to use it.  But the doctor also told me to keep it locked up from  him and only let him use it when he had an attack.  She said too  much medication like that can cause heart problems and they can die from it.  So I was very careful with him using the inhaler.

Could this be as simple (I know not a good word here) as Misty overdid the medication and heart stopped? 

Would explain her actions.  It would not explain why she would dispose of her and not report it as accidental though. 

Just thinking out loud here.

I also wonder if, along those same lines, maybe she had an attack while Misty was out running around with friends (I'm still convinced she wasn't in the home for several hours that night) and as a result, poor Haleigh had nobody there to give her the medication she needed.   She could have had a severe enough attack that it killed her.

Flossy, could be either one.  That girl is very very immature and she is a child herself so I would NOT leave her in charge of my asthmatic child for a second.  Asthma is a very dangerous thing if not treated properly.  I had a teacher to call me at work and she was very upset because my son was having an attack and I had to calm her down first and then walk her through calming him down so he could relax his breathing.  I had warned them and told them what to do (1st off call me so I can get him to the doctor) but this teacher went off the deep end and panicked.  So if Misty wasn't there to begin with could be HL had an attack and couldn't get her med's.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: JuJu on March 14, 2009, 11:20:17 PM
a lot of the meth heads have sores, especially on their face.  the drug crystallizes in the body and works its way out of the skin


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 11:23:16 PM
hobbit55 wrote:
<quoted text>
LMAO! Good one!
I don't think they'll be making a trip down to the station unless LE wants them there.(based solely on a hunch) They already knew LE didn't tell them they passed and I can pretty much bet they knew that Misty, at least, is a suspect, and yet they claimed otherwise to convince the public and media they weren't suspects.
Last thing they want to do is go complaining to LE that they got caught lieing to everyone.
I'm still waiting for this video Amsterdampictures at youtube is supposed to be putting together. He is the owner of the Aces and Eights tattoo shop and says he has a number of camera's in the shop and has video of the whole 6 hours Ron and Misty were there that he is putting together to publish.
Considering his opinion of Ron after that day, I have a feeling that video is going to change a lot of minds, especially the "poor Ron" crowd.
Have you talked to Doc yet? Owner of Aces and Eights. He's a real nice guy, give a call, & he will tell some sh*t. Ron offered him drugs!!!& said, "I have a bag (pot)in my pocket & I can't touch it, because Family & Children is on my as*!!!! I can't wait until all this sh*t is over, so I can burn one." end of Ron's quote.. Doc will be more than Happy to talk on the phone with people, as long as your not being nice towards Ron,lol...I meet Doc (Amsterdampictures) on Youtube & he gave me his phone # & email address. He talk to me for about a hour on the phone, & wow he told me some sh*t about Ron & Misty.



I wonder if this guy is telling the truth, or just saying crap,  I think I want to talk to him, whats up Doc!!!!!!!!!

Have you read any of Amersterdampictures post? Not happy with Ron and wifey at all, I saw the post he left about having 6 video cameras than were running, but never knew if he hadtapes or not, also after that tattoo, the people inside Aces & Eights told the reporter that all Ron talked about was the money he was getting and not Haleigh.........


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 14, 2009, 11:26:31 PM
a lot of the meth heads have sores, especially on their face.  the drug crystallizes in the body and works its way out of the skin
Please correct me if I am wrong, but didn't someone (FLmom - I think) also say you lose your teeth due to meth use and used Mother Croslin as a perfect example?? I have to say that I feel sorry for Misty. I doubt she was raised in a good, functional home. Seems like her entire family suffers from drug abuse and ignorance. And I agree with others here that have said she looks at Ron as a stable influence in her life. Poor kid. She has no clue what she is up against.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 14, 2009, 11:29:12 PM
I just found this on topix

Reply »
|Report Abuse |Judge it! |#7113 Sunday Mar 1
lingo123 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, substitute "Haleigh died of a drug overdose while Ron was at work" for "Haleigh died of her injuries while Ron was at work," and you can still arrive at the same conclusion.
Two points I'm still researching to confirm:
(1) A report that there was a flurry of phone calls to Ron from Misty sometime after midnight, while he was at work, and
(2) A report that Ron was spotted on security cameras at a gas station around 2 .m. that night.
Agree points 1 & 2 are important here!

Also if Haleigh sustained some injuries would not have Great Grannie noticed something unusual regarding Haleigh? Then again I'm not sure G Grannys story has been checked out. I would hope in there is ONE reliable individual in this group! 
Well that is very interesting. o/t I know that the green lines that are appearing under some words is being worked on, but has anyone been knocked off as a guest. I came back twice from shopping, and I thought I got banned, my name was gone, and I was a guest.  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

I have had connection problems all day with SM.

I was thinking maybe Dugga was doing some work.

Been annoying, to say the least ;-/


 A report that there was a flurry of phone calls to Ron from Misty sometime after midnight, while he was at work, and
(2) A report that Ron was spotted on security cameras at a gas station around 2 .m. that night


I am sure the police have gotten the cell phone records. And I would think they have checked out all the rumors such as 2. above.  Wouldn't you think?


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 14, 2009, 11:31:57 PM
Quote
A report that there was a flurry of phone calls to Ron from Misty sometime after midnight, while he was at work, and
Is there a link for that report???


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 11:34:00 PM
a lot of the meth heads have sores, especially on their face.  the drug crystallizes in the body and works its way out of the skin
Please correct me if I am wrong, but didn't someone (FLmom - I think) also say you lose your teeth due to meth use and used Mother Croslin as a perfect example?? I have to say that I feel sorry for Misty. I doubt she was raised in a good, functional home. Seems like her entire family suffers from drug abuse and ignorance. And I agree with others here that have said she looks at Ron as a stable influence in her life. Poor kid. She has no clue what she is up against.


No, you are correct, it was FLmom and misty's mom she was talking about.


SOOOOOO O/T...... ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: Tonight on Geraldo Dr. Baden was talking about the Anna Nicole Smith case, and Baden let is slip that cloroform WAS found in Caylee's hair.....bet he get's his @ss kicked fromm Linda tonight ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Idgie on March 14, 2009, 11:35:44 PM
I just found this on topix

Reply »
|Report Abuse |Judge it! |#7113 Sunday Mar 1
lingo123 wrote:
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Yes, substitute "Haleigh died of a drug overdose while Ron was at work" for "Haleigh died of her injuries while Ron was at work," and you can still arrive at the same conclusion.
Two points I'm still researching to confirm:
(1) A report that there was a flurry of phone calls to Ron from Misty sometime after midnight, while he was at work, and
2) A report that Ron was spotted on security cameras at a gas station around 2 .m. that night.

Agree points 1 & 2 are important here![/font]
Also if Haleigh sustained some injuries would not have Great Grannie noticed something unusual regarding Haleigh? Then again I'm not sure G Grannys story has been checked out. I would hope in there is ONE reliable individual in this group! 

has anyone heard anything about this report?

Yah, just rumor plus also heard LE has video of RC at work and know he was there his entire shift.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 14, 2009, 11:37:30 PM
Mioyshi, thanks for that info, I have to say I'm sitting here shocked. I am not familiar at all with meth, only somethings I've seen on some detective shows I watch. It is hard to understand how one lives like that being so addicted, I just don't get it, never will.  ::MonkeyEek::

I agree, I myself am shocked at what I see, and more shocked that we can not do anything about it , as it is so wide spread here.  I had no idea what went on in the woods till I left Orlando, but, I must say, I have been educated on the happenings of the major drug dealers.

The most important thing I have learned, is that if you narc on them, you will come up missing or thrown in the river for gator bait.   I once gave a ride to a woman and her young girl, taking them home per their instructions , it was in our neighborhood.
 We did not really know her, but it was hot, and the child looked like they had been walking a while. So, when we drove up the hidden drive way, a man walked from the trees,, holding an ak rifle, he came to the car, and said to us, " who the f*** are you?"  Turned out, it was her ex, and he had visitasion that weekend.

Well, needless to say, I do not give anyone a ride anymore, not even if they jump out in front of the car. I lock the door, and go about my business.  Sitting in our one and only grocery store parking lot, it looks like every man on americas most wanted is going in there for beer and bologona !! smiles, mio

In this video Misty's eyes are very dilated

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18700882/index.html

my point exactly.. The drug messes with their mind so much, they really are not aware of all their doings.  She also lived in daytona beach, another bad drug area. It all just makes me shake my head, as I dont get how they do it, or get away with it, but they do.
I just wish they would stop breeding, and give these children a chance at life.

The most important thing I have learned, is that if you narc on them, you will come up missing or thrown in the river for gator bait  This is precisely the point I tried to make in an earlier post.  The drug people take care of their own problems within their groups just as gangs do.  If Ron had done a dirty deed to another drug person and they took Haleigh Ron would go after them himself.  He would not call the police.  And vice versa.  They would not take Haleigh they would kill Ron.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: momm0f4 on March 14, 2009, 11:38:54 PM
for the life of me I just cannot figure out wth Misty is talking about when she says

her blanket and my blanket, my blanket was in the van they took


who is "they" and why was mistys blanket in the van?


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 14, 2009, 11:40:30 PM
a lot of the meth heads have sores, especially on their face.  the drug crystallizes in the body and works its way out of the skin
Please correct me if I am wrong, but didn't someone (FLmom - I think) also say you lose your teeth due to meth use and used Mother Croslin as a perfect example?? I have to say that I feel sorry for Misty. I doubt she was raised in a good, functional home. Seems like her entire family suffers from drug abuse and ignorance. And I agree with others here that have said she looks at Ron as a stable influence in her life. Poor kid. She has no clue what she is up against.


No, you are correct, it was FLmom and misty's mom she was talking about.


SOOOOOO O/T...... ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: Tonight on Geraldo Dr. Baden was talking about the Anna Nicole Smith case, and Baden let is slip that cloroform WAS found in Caylee's hair.....bet he get's his @ss kicked fromm Linda tonight ::MonkeyTongue::

OMG that bitch Casey.  She should burn in hell. I wish they would put her in general population and let them have at her. IMO


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 14, 2009, 11:42:31 PM
a lot of the meth heads have sores, especially on their face.  the drug crystallizes in the body and works its way out of the skin
Please correct me if I am wrong, but didn't someone (FLmom - I think) also say you lose your teeth due to meth use and used Mother Croslin as a perfect example?? I have to say that I feel sorry for Misty. I doubt she was raised in a good, functional home. Seems like her entire family suffers from drug abuse and ignorance. And I agree with others here that have said she looks at Ron as a stable influence in her life. Poor kid. She has no clue what she is up against.


No, you are correct, it was FLmom and misty's mom she was talking about.


SOOOOOO O/T...... ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: Tonight on Geraldo Dr. Baden was talking about the Anna Nicole Smith case, and Baden let is slip that cloroform WAS found in Caylee's hair.....bet he get's his @ss kicked fromm Linda tonight ::MonkeyTongue::

OMG that bitch Casey.  She should burn in hell. I wish they would put her in general population and let them have at her. IMO

Agreed, it would save the state of Florida millions of dollars......sorry to post it here also, but so many follow both cases I risked it....I also put it over in the Caylee thread,


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: mioyshi on March 14, 2009, 11:43:37 PM
Mioyshi, thanks for that info, I have to say I'm sitting here shocked. I am not familiar at all with meth, only somethings I've seen on some detective shows I watch. It is hard to understand how one lives like that being so addicted, I just don't get it, never will.  ::MonkeyEek::

I agree, I myself am shocked at what I see, and more shocked that we can not do anything about it , as it is so wide spread here.  I had no idea what went on in the woods till I left Orlando, but, I must say, I have been educated on the happenings of the major drug dealers.

The most important thing I have learned, is that if you narc on them, you will come up missing or thrown in the river for gator bait.   I once gave a ride to a woman and her young girl, taking them home per their instructions , it was in our neighborhood.
 We did not really know her, but it was hot, and the child looked like they had been walking a while. So, when we drove up the hidden drive way, a man walked from the trees,, holding an ak rifle, he came to the car, and said to us, " who the f*** are you?"  Turned out, it was her ex, and he had visitasion that weekend.

Well, needless to say, I do not give anyone a ride anymore, not even if they jump out in front of the car. I lock the door, and go about my business.  Sitting in our one and only grocery store parking lot, it looks like every man on americas most wanted is going in there for beer and bologona !! smiles, mio

In this video Misty's eyes are very dilated

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18700882/index.html

my point exactly.. The drug messes with their mind so much, they really are not aware of all their doings.  She also lived in daytona beach, another bad drug area. It all just makes me shake my head, as I dont get how they do it, or get away with it, but they do.
I just wish they would stop breeding, and give these children a chance at life.

The most important thing I have learned, is that if you narc on them, you will come up missing or thrown in the river for gator bait  This is precisely the point I tried to make in an earlier post.  The drug people take care of their own problems within their groups just as gangs do.  If Ron had done a dirty deed to another drug person and they took Haleigh Ron would go after them himself.  He would not call the police.  And vice versa.  They would not take Haleigh they would kill Ron.

you are right....they come after who did them wrong, not their children.  so, puts us right back to rc and misty for answers as to where Heileigh is.  If rc did the deed, he would certainly want us to believe some other person took her. I still feel le should take another crack at rc..


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 14, 2009, 11:48:52 PM
Mioyshi, thanks for that info, I have to say I'm sitting here shocked. I am not familiar at all with meth, only somethings I've seen on some detective shows I watch. It is hard to understand how one lives like that being so addicted, I just don't get it, never will.  ::MonkeyEek::

I agree, I myself am shocked at what I see, and more shocked that we can not do anything about it , as it is so wide spread here.  I had no idea what went on in the woods till I left Orlando, but, I must say, I have been educated on the happenings of the major drug dealers.

The most important thing I have learned, is that if you narc on them, you will come up missing or thrown in the river for gator bait.   I once gave a ride to a woman and her young girl, taking them home per their instructions , it was in our neighborhood.
 We did not really know her, but it was hot, and the child looked like they had been walking a while. So, when we drove up the hidden drive way, a man walked from the trees,, holding an ak rifle, he came to the car, and said to us, " who the f*** are you?"  Turned out, it was her ex, and he had visitasion that weekend.

Well, needless to say, I do not give anyone a ride anymore, not even if they jump out in front of the car. I lock the door, and go about my business.  Sitting in our one and only grocery store parking lot, it looks like every man on americas most wanted is going in there for beer and bologona !! smiles, mio

In this video Misty's eyes are very dilated

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18700882/index.html

my point exactly.. The drug messes with their mind so much, they really are not aware of all their doings.  She also lived in daytona beach, another bad drug area. It all just makes me shake my head, as I dont get how they do it, or get away with it, but they do.
I just wish they would stop breeding, and give these children a chance at life.

The most important thing I have learned, is that if you narc on them, you will come up missing or thrown in the river for gator bait  This is precisely the point I tried to make in an earlier post.  The drug people take care of their own problems within their groups just as gangs do.  If Ron had done a dirty deed to another drug person and they took Haleigh Ron would go after them himself.  He would not call the police.  And vice versa.  They would not take Haleigh they would kill Ron.

you are right....they come after who did them wrong, not their children.  so, puts us right back to rc and misty for answers as to where Heileigh is.  If rc did the deed, he would certainly want us to believe some other person took her. I still feel le should take another crack at rc..
I keep getting a vibe that Ron killed HL by accident and put her in his car, then dumped her on the job site, maybe even crushed her w/a barge. Those barges weigh about two tons. Sorry for the sickening thought, but this scenario keeps running thru my brain.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 14, 2009, 11:50:54 PM
I had to ask what 20 grams was myself...I was thinking in terms of good old Teddy Grams.. YUMMY!!

I replied to you Brandi...you have created me a wardrobe!!  :)

Yes, my last post of the night to you there has also Just now been posted. LOL

Sorry for the O/T, folks.
Responded!!  Now, I just need a "walk-in closet" here at SM and I will be set!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 14, 2009, 11:54:13 PM
::MonkeyShocked:: I was 2, NOW I am a sweet lil ole innocent quiet passive monkey ::MonkeyRoll::
Funniest post I have read all night, hands down!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Idgie on March 14, 2009, 11:54:14 PM

"Eyes for Lies: The Human Lie Detector Blog"
http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/03/ronald-misty-onthe-today-show.html (http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/03/ronald-misty-onthe-today-show.html)
 
Pt 2 : My Thoughts: Ronald & Misty on The Today Show
 except pt 2 (text by blogger is in  italics)

"Here are my thoughts on the interview with Ronald and Misty:
______________________________________________________

Vieira: ...so why did you want to come here today? What are
you hoping to accomplish, Ronald, today?

Ronald: Uh... to get the focus back on my daughter's missing (smirk). My five-year-old girl is gone, and I want to find her.

"What is fascinating about this is it's the first time I am seeing what appears to be delight in Ronald. In this statement, his face shows a very positive emotion. I am wondering if this is the first time he has heard that he is not being looked at by police, and that is giving him joy, but if that was the case, I would also expect to see a sense of "relief" which I do not. I just see a sense of joy. Why is Ronald feeling joy?"

Vieira: Have they said anything to you about any possible
leads at all?

Ronald: (curls his lower lip down and very slightly out, shakes his head no, and looks down, which is a sign of withdrawal--that doesn't want to talk about it.)

Vieira: Nothing.

"I don't believe Ronald here for an instant. He knows more than he is letting on. I suspect the police have told him some things that Ronald doesn't want to share with us. Perhaps it is that they are looking at Misty closer? Notice the "smirks" disappeared here? That question didn't make Ronald very happy. Why?

Vieira then goes on to discuss how Ronald, Jr. talked about a man dressed in black taking Haleigh, and she asks Misty if Ronald, Jr. told either one of them about this. Misty says "umm-um, nope", and Ronald responds:"

Ronald: Me, neither (slight smirk). I think this is some of the garbage that Geraldo and Crystal, the mother, has made up, but I'm just going to leave that at that.

"Notice how Ronald lights up when he talks about this? He is
working overtime to conceal his delight here. He almost is gritting his teeth to hold it back! I suspect he has really bad feelings towards Crystal right now and just get joy out of hitting back at her, too. Clearly, he is becoming more smug--almost arrogant."
 

Vieira: Oh, so you don't even believe that Ronald Jr. even said this at all?

Ronald: (Classic shoulder shrug, lip curl) I don't know.(Notice he is smirking!). I wasn't at home. I was at work (he's gloating!), (shoulder shrug) I can't tell you,  honestly.



Uh why are we suppose to take this eyesforlies person seriously? I mean I watched the interview and have watched the utube version x3 and I don't see what she sees.

I mean eflies has no credentials other than a self proclaimed blog stating she is physic but no education or degree in anything. Why is she considered such an expert that I should take seriously.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 14, 2009, 11:58:42 PM
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

OK, I know I will get the heat for this...but I do need a question answered, if you may.

Did Ron say he was at work the night Haleigh went missing???
No, he ABSOLUTELY did not say that, not once, not twice, but a bajillion times!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 12:02:48 AM
::MonkeyShocked:: I was 2, NOW I am a sweet lil ole innocent quiet passive monkey ::MonkeyRoll::
Funniest post I have read all night, hands down!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: I try, honest.........being timid is not my strongest point I must admit. ::MonkeyWink::

Did you see my post about Dr. Baden and Cayelee ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: higherhopes on March 15, 2009, 12:03:17 AM
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

OK, I know I will get the heat for this...but I do need a question answered, if you may.

Did Ron say he was at work the night Haleigh went missing???
No, he ABSOLUTELY did not say that, not once, not twice, but a bajillion times!!
I wish I had his phone number, I would just ask him one question, where were you that night, ......lol


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 15, 2009, 12:03:35 AM
The only reason for someone to  keep repeating the same thing over and over (I dont know what happened I was at work) is because they are trying to convince themselves and the other person that they were where they say they were!

Very true HH!  Yeppers, very true. 

From what I understand his where-abouts were confirmed by his work and by LE.  How they went about confirming it and if it is air air tight, I am not surtain.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 15, 2009, 12:04:12 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/TinyHouseGoodnight2.gif)


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 15, 2009, 12:04:38 AM
::MonkeyShocked:: I was 2, NOW I am a sweet lil ole innocent quiet passive monkey ::MonkeyRoll::
Funniest post I have read all night, hands down!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: I try, honest.........being timid is not my strongest point I must admit. ::MonkeyWink::

Did you see my post about Dr. Baden and Cayelee ::MonkeyShocked::
Not yet, I was interrogated about my drug interactions for the past 3 hours.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 15, 2009, 12:05:05 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/TinyHouseGoodnight2.gif)
Sweet dreams!  See you tomorrow.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 15, 2009, 12:06:41 AM
Mioyshi, I never noticed Misty's fingers being brown, what drug would cause that, I don't understand.  ::MonkeyConfused::
If she was packing and repacking her bong or pipe.  The fingers get brown and tarred.  Roomy in college would leave horrid marks on the walls...stupid UF baseball players!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 12:07:17 AM

"Eyes for Lies: The Human Lie Detector Blog"
http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/03/ronald-misty-onthe-today-show.html (http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/03/ronald-misty-onthe-today-show.html)
 
Pt 2 : My Thoughts: Ronald & Misty on The Today Show
 except pt 2 (text by blogger is in  italics)

"Here are my thoughts on the interview with Ronald and Misty:
______________________________________________________

Vieira: ...so why did you want to come here today? What are
you hoping to accomplish, Ronald, today?

Ronald: Uh... to get the focus back on my daughter's missing (smirk). My five-year-old girl is gone, and I want to find her.

"What is fascinating about this is it's the first time I am seeing what appears to be delight in Ronald. In this statement, his face shows a very positive emotion. I am wondering if this is the first time he has heard that he is not being looked at by police, and that is giving him joy, but if that was the case, I would also expect to see a sense of "relief" which I do not. I just see a sense of joy. Why is Ronald feeling joy?"

Vieira: Have they said anything to you about any possible
leads at all?

Ronald: (curls his lower lip down and very slightly out, shakes his head no, and looks down, which is a sign of withdrawal--that doesn't want to talk about it.)

Vieira: Nothing.

"I don't believe Ronald here for an instant. He knows more than he is letting on. I suspect the police have told him some things that Ronald doesn't want to share with us. Perhaps it is that they are looking at Misty closer? Notice the "smirks" disappeared here? That question didn't make Ronald very happy. Why?

Vieira then goes on to discuss how Ronald, Jr. talked about a man dressed in black taking Haleigh, and she asks Misty if Ronald, Jr. told either one of them about this. Misty says "umm-um, nope", and Ronald responds:"

Ronald: Me, neither (slight smirk). I think this is some of the garbage that Geraldo and Crystal, the mother, has made up, but I'm just going to leave that at that.

"Notice how Ronald lights up when he talks about this? He is
working overtime to conceal his delight here. He almost is gritting his teeth to hold it back! I suspect he has really bad feelings towards Crystal right now and just get joy out of hitting back at her, too. Clearly, he is becoming more smug--almost arrogant."
 

Vieira: Oh, so you don't even believe that Ronald Jr. even said this at all?

Ronald: (Classic shoulder shrug, lip curl) I don't know.(Notice he is smirking!). I wasn't at home. I was at work (he's gloating!), (shoulder shrug) I can't tell you,  honestly.



Uh why are we suppose to take this eyesforlies person seriously? I mean I watched the interview and have watched the utube version x3 and I don't see what she sees.

I mean eflies has no credentials other than a self proclaimed blog stating she is physic but no education or degree in anything. Why is she considered such an expert that I should take seriously.

No one is telling you how you have to see it, we just put it out there......she nails my feeling spot on and not only in this "review" of their actions, but in prior ones~I see exactly what she see.......never heard that she states she is a psychic (I'll go look).

Also, you don't need a degree to be able to read peoples lies, even the cops don't believe Misty and stated she has NOT been ruled out as a suspect


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 12:09:55 AM
::MonkeyShocked:: I was 2, NOW I am a sweet lil ole innocent quiet passive monkey ::MonkeyRoll::
Funniest post I have read all night, hands down!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: I try, honest.........being timid is not my strongest point I must admit. ::MonkeyWink::

Did you see my post about Dr. Baden and Cayelee ::MonkeyShocked::
Not yet, I was interrogated about my drug interactions for the past 3 hours.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyRoll:: OOPS~blame it on Mytime ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 15, 2009, 12:11:52 AM
a lot of the meth heads have sores, especially on their face.  the drug crystallizes in the body and works its way out of the skin
Yup.  There are some meth heads that need it so bad that they filter their own bi-product to get it, reheat it, and reuse it. 
I get the impression that Misty and Ron are more of the pill poppin, snorting, toking, and smoking type myself.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 12:12:24 AM
Off topic, but I just added a picture and I want to see how it looks.  Thanks.   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 12:14:19 AM
a lot of the meth heads have sores, especially on their face.  the drug crystallizes in the body and works its way out of the skin
Yup.  There are some meth heads that need it so bad that they filter their own bi-product to get it, reheat it, and reuse it. 
I get the impression that Misty and Ron are more of the pill poppin, snorting, toking, and smoking type myself.

ME too~mainly because I've seen photos of people on meth and they don't look like those, Ron looks like my druggy brother.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 15, 2009, 12:14:41 AM
a lot of the meth heads have sores, especially on their face.  the drug crystallizes in the body and works its way out of the skin
Yup.  There are some meth heads that need it so bad that they filter their own bi-product to get it, reheat it, and reuse it. 
I get the impression that Misty and Ron are more of the pill poppin, snorting, toking, and smoking type myself.
filter there own product??? WTF???


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 15, 2009, 12:15:38 AM
a lot of the meth heads have sores, especially on their face.  the drug crystallizes in the body and works its way out of the skin
Please correct me if I am wrong, but didn't someone (FLmom - I think) also say you lose your teeth due to meth use and used Mother Croslin as a perfect example?? I have to say that I feel sorry for Misty. I doubt she was raised in a good, functional home. Seems like her entire family suffers from drug abuse and ignorance. And I agree with others here that have said she looks at Ron as a stable influence in her life. Poor kid. She has no clue what she is up against.


No, you are correct, it was FLmom and misty's mom she was talking about.


SOOOOOO O/T...... ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: Tonight on Geraldo Dr. Baden was talking about the Anna Nicole Smith case, and Baden let is slip that cloroform WAS found in Caylee's hair.....bet he get's his @ss kicked fromm Linda tonight ::MonkeyTongue::

OMG that bitch Casey.  She should burn in hell. I wish they would put her in general population and let them have at her. IMO
Son of a fudging biscuit!!!!!!!!!!  Packing for Orlando now.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: klaasend on March 15, 2009, 12:16:55 AM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133703&catid=3

Haleigh's Mother's Attorney Gives First Local Interview
Posted By: Jessica Clark     2 hrs ago

PUTNAM COUNTY, FL -- Attorney Kim Picazio says she first came to Putnam County this week to help Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh Cummings' mother, handle the media.

"I believe they called me so the family could have someone to turn to for advice on who they should talk to. They didn't know who to trust," Picazio explained.

Picazio has a law firm in Ft. Lauderdale and works mostly family law cases.

After working on the Haleigh Cummings case for only a few days, Picazio said people from all over Putnam county have called her and her staff with concerns about the safety and home life inside Haleigh's home while Haleigh was there and for her little brother now.

Haleigh lives with her father, Ronald Cummings, in Satsuma. It was from his home that she disappeared February 9th.

Picazio said her role has changed a little from what she had expected it to be.

"We are going to speak with the proper authorities so the Department of Children and Families can investigate the information we've gotten and then take whatever action they feel is appropriate."

From there, she said it will be up to Sheffield to file any legal action.

Picazio insists, Sheffield has never asked her to help her with a custody battle.

"No, she was never attempting to gain an unfair advantage in a tragic situation, that she was hiring a city slicker attorney to come swoop up on the witnesses and gain information. That was not the case," Picazio explained.

Picazio also says Sheffield is so upset about Haleigh that she is seeking counseling for her client.

"She is in a very bad state," Picazio said. "Crystal Sheffield would definitely not be in the mood right now to be getting married or attending any honeymoon."

Picazio was referring to Haleigh's father marrying his 17-year-old girlfriend Thursday afternoon and then flying to New York for an appearance on The Today Show on NBC.

Picazio said Sheffield has little money and she is taking the case pro bono.

She also said that Sheffield and her mother have been forced to leave the empty home in Putnam County that someone had generously provided to them for the past few weeks. Sheffield has lived in Baker County.

Picazio said she was hoping to help Sheffield find a place to stay in Putnam County so that she could remain close to the investigation


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 15, 2009, 12:17:34 AM
a lot of the meth heads have sores, especially on their face.  the drug crystallizes in the body and works its way out of the skin
Yup.  There are some meth heads that need it so bad that they filter their own bi-product to get it, reheat it, and reuse it. 
I get the impression that Misty and Ron are more of the pill poppin, snorting, toking, and smoking type myself.
filter there own product??? WTF???
Their urine, as some times not all of the drugs are broken down by the body and are excreted instead.  Its a disgusting ordeal my Dad has told me about.  Very very sick what people will do for a fix.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 12:19:05 AM
a lot of the meth heads have sores, especially on their face.  the drug crystallizes in the body and works its way out of the skin
Yup.  There are some meth heads that need it so bad that they filter their own bi-product to get it, reheat it, and reuse it. 
I get the impression that Misty and Ron are more of the pill poppin, snorting, toking, and smoking type myself.
filter there own product??? WTF???
Their urine, as some times not all of the drugs are broken down by the body and are excreted instead.  Its a disgusting ordeal my Dad has told me about.  Very very sick what people will do for a fix.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: WTF?????? I thought you meant filter like a coffee filter.....ewwwwwwey


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 15, 2009, 12:19:20 AM
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

OK, I know I will get the heat for this...but I do need a question answered, if you may.

Did Ron say he was at work the night Haleigh went missing???
No, he ABSOLUTELY did not say that, not once, not twice, but a bajillion times!!
I wish I had his phone number, I would just ask him one question, where were you that night, ......lol
::MonkeyHaHa::  Monkey crank callin....don't get caught!  We still have not replenished the bail out money!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: higherhopes on March 15, 2009, 12:20:07 AM
WTH,   why is Crystal being forced to leave the home that was just offered to her now, better check out  Rons mother, she knows everybody in the area, did she go have a talk with the owner of this house and then they told Chrstal she had to gom this doesnt make sense to me!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 15, 2009, 12:20:32 AM
a lot of the meth heads have sores, especially on their face.  the drug crystallizes in the body and works its way out of the skin
Yup.  There are some meth heads that need it so bad that they filter their own bi-product to get it, reheat it, and reuse it. 
I get the impression that Misty and Ron are more of the pill poppin, snorting, toking, and smoking type myself.
filter there own product??? WTF???
Their urine, as some times not all of the drugs are broken down by the body and are excreted instead.  Its a disgusting ordeal my Dad has told me about.  Very very sick what people will do for a fix.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: WTF?????? I thought you meant filter like a coffee filter.....ewwwwwwey
::MonkeyHaHa::  Not sure what meathod of filtration they use, but I know a spoon is involved.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: lolabelle on March 15, 2009, 12:22:15 AM
John O’Connor Interviews Crystal Sheffield

http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/john-oconnor-interviews-crystal-sheffield/

'I passed the polygraph'

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/02/24/ng.mom.polygraph.cnn

Rewatching Crystals interview in this tape, she says "a man dressed in black" and then with Geraldo she says "a black man dressed in black". She has changed her story also.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 15, 2009, 12:23:13 AM
Being a heavy smoker can also turn the fingers brown..Nicotine stains
I smoke but use lemon juice and a fine pumice every day, sometimes twice a day.
I've seen the stains on old guys who don't do anything to get it off and it looks awful. I never let it go, it's like brushing my teeth. Can't imagine what my hands would look like if I never did that. Plus, it downright stinks and it bothers me if go to sleep with the ciggie stink on me. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 12:23:39 AM
WTH,   why is Crystal being forced to leave the home that was just offered to her now, better check out  Rons mother, she knows everybody in the area, did she go have a talk with the owner of this house and then they told Chrstal she had to gom this doesnt make sense to me!

Well, my offer still stands and they know it has no expiration date, I set that money aside for that specific purpose.......there was plenty available to rent there and nice things ror 600-800 per month.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 15, 2009, 12:24:17 AM
::MonkeyHaHa::  Not sure what meathod of filtration they use, but I know a spoon is involved.
Just so you guys do not think I am nuts.  Sorry I have been "schooled" by my Dad...he is not a methhead, he is a Sheriff.

http://www.propeller.com/story/2007/02/04/some-meth-addicts-turn-to-urine-to-get-high/
Some hard-core methamphetamine addicts will do anything to get high, including collecting and drinking the urine of other users. It's the newest way to access meth. Some users drink the meth-tainted urine to get high while others use the cooking process to filter the drug back out.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 12:27:15 AM
::MonkeyHaHa::  Not sure what meathod of filtration they use, but I know a spoon is involved.
Just so you guys do not think I am nuts.  Sorry I have been "schooled" by my Dad...he is not a methhead, he is a Sheriff.

http://www.propeller.com/story/2007/02/04/some-meth-addicts-turn-to-urine-to-get-high/
Some hard-core methamphetamine addicts will do anything to get high, including collecting and drinking the urine of other users. It's the newest way to access meth. Some users drink the meth-tainted urine to get high while others use the cooking process to filter the drug back out.

Thanks Dolce~I just threw up my shrimp I had for dinner....so, guess my kini will fit better now ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 15, 2009, 12:27:44 AM
Being a heavy smoker can also turn the fingers brown..Nicotine stains
I smoke but use lemon juice and a fine pumice every day, sometimes twice a day.
I've seen the stains on old guys who don't do anything to get it off and it looks awful. I never let it go, it's like brushing my teeth. Can't imagine what my hands would look like if I never did that. Plus, it downright stinks and it bothers me if go to sleep with the ciggie stink on me. 
Well, to be fair, my Chanel nail polish in the shade of Golden Sand stains my nails.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: higherhopes on March 15, 2009, 12:28:32 AM
John O’Connor Interviews Crystal Sheffield

http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/john-oconnor-interviews-crystal-sheffield/

'I passed the polygraph'

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/02/24/ng.mom.polygraph.cnn

Rewatching Crystals interview in this tape, she says "a man dressed in black" and then with Geraldo she says "a black man dressed in black". She has changed her story also.
Uhh I wouldnt say she changed her story, I would say she just got confused with the black thing, but still thats alot different then changing your story about what you were doing the night haleigh came up missing, just different IMO


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 15, 2009, 12:29:09 AM
::MonkeyHaHa::  Not sure what meathod of filtration they use, but I know a spoon is involved.
Just so you guys do not think I am nuts.  Sorry I have been "schooled" by my Dad...he is not a methhead, he is a Sheriff.

http://www.propeller.com/story/2007/02/04/some-meth-addicts-turn-to-urine-to-get-high/
Some hard-core methamphetamine addicts will do anything to get high, including collecting and drinking the urine of other users. It's the newest way to access meth. Some users drink the meth-tainted urine to get high while others use the cooking process to filter the drug back out.

Thanks Dolce~I just threw up my shrimp I had for dinner....so, guess my kini will fit better now ::MonkeyTongue::
Well the fashion side of me says "way to go", but the motherly side of me says "go eat some saltines".


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 12:32:35 AM

I keep getting a vibe that Ron killed HL by accident and put her in his car, then dumped her on the job site, maybe even crushed her w/a barge. Those barges weigh about two tons. Sorry for the sickening thought, but this scenario keeps running thru my brain.



Luckyday, I'm afraid he may have hit her too hard or he hit her, she fell and hit her head, or maybe there was some kind of internal injury or some traumatic injury that may not have presented immediately, but minutes or hours later. ....Skull fracture, liver laceration, ruptured spleen, brain injury; She's unusually small (probably due to the missing X) he may have even shaken her extremely hard - not that it would take that much. I don't even want to go there......

That night with GR (Geraldo) it seemed like the family was circling the wagons and knew that Ron Ron's short fuse was about to blow and he would go into orbit. I got the sense that the Cummings' are all too familiar with his hair-trigger temper and they knew they had to assuage the scene before it escalated

In a nutshell, imo, Ron Ron is a violent individual and when he goes ballistic, the gloves are off and it really hits the proverbial fan. His family members were pacing like caged tigers and seemed really nervous, perhaps b/c they knew what was fixin' to go down on national TV if they didn't intervene.






Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 12:32:52 AM
::MonkeyHaHa::  Not sure what meathod of filtration they use, but I know a spoon is involved.
Just so you guys do not think I am nuts.  Sorry I have been "schooled" by my Dad...he is not a methhead, he is a Sheriff.

http://www.propeller.com/story/2007/02/04/some-meth-addicts-turn-to-urine-to-get-high/
Some hard-core methamphetamine addicts will do anything to get high, including collecting and drinking the urine of other users. It's the newest way to access meth. Some users drink the meth-tainted urine to get high while others use the cooking process to filter the drug back out.

Thanks Dolce~I just threw up my shrimp I had for dinner....so, guess my kini will fit better now ::MonkeyTongue::
Well the fashion side of me says "way to go", but the motherly side of me says "go eat some saltines".

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: well kini season has arrived ~ I think I'll be okay as long as I skip reading about meth heads drinking pee ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: higherhopes on March 15, 2009, 12:37:48 AM
::MonkeyHaHa::  Not sure what meathod of filtration they use, but I know a spoon is involved.
Just so you guys do not think I am nuts.  Sorry I have been "schooled" by my Dad...he is not a methhead, he is a Sheriff.

http://www.propeller.com/story/2007/02/04/some-meth-addicts-turn-to-urine-to-get-high/
Some hard-core methamphetamine addicts will do anything to get high, including collecting and drinking the urine of other users. It's the newest way to access meth. Some users drink the meth-tainted urine to get high while others use the cooking process to filter the drug back out.

Thanks Dolce~I just threw up my shrimp I had for dinner....so, guess my kini will fit better now ::MonkeyTongue::
Well the fashion side of me says "way to go", but the motherly side of me says "go eat some saltines".
EWWWWWW   that is gross, yuk yuk,   I love fashion but, when I was in the Alan Jackson video they made me look like Mistie and I wish it had never been shown now, because Im afraid people will think thats what I really look like!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 12:38:05 AM
John O’Connor Interviews Crystal Sheffield

http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/john-oconnor-interviews-crystal-sheffield/

'I passed the polygraph'

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/02/24/ng.mom.polygraph.cnn

Rewatching Crystals interview in this tape, she says "a man dressed in black" and then with Geraldo she says "a black man dressed in black". She has changed her story also.
Uhh I wouldnt say she changed her story, I would say she just got confused with the black thing, but still thats alot different then changing your story about what you were doing the night haleigh came up missing, just different IMO

I think jr's story has changed, and God love him, he's barely 4 years old...I chalk his story up to confusing LE in dark uniforms swarming the house and he was probably scared to death, there is no telling how it "appeared" to him and how his mind relives that moment, poor butterbean. ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: darla on March 15, 2009, 12:41:16 AM
OK guys, I have something bugging my head tonight and I am not very good with maps....How far does Ron's mom live from Ron and how far is the bus stop from Ron's house??


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 12:42:38 AM
OK guys, I have something bugging my head tonight and I am not very good with maps....How far does Ron's mom live from Ron and how far is the bus stop from Ron's house??

IIRC~she lives 12-15 miles away.......I 'll have to check the GVS transcripts. What;s bugging you Darla?


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 15, 2009, 12:44:01 AM
::MonkeyHaHa::  Not sure what meathod of filtration they use, but I know a spoon is involved.
Just so you guys do not think I am nuts.  Sorry I have been "schooled" by my Dad...he is not a methhead, he is a Sheriff.

http://www.propeller.com/story/2007/02/04/some-meth-addicts-turn-to-urine-to-get-high/
Some hard-core methamphetamine addicts will do anything to get high, including collecting and drinking the urine of other users. It's the newest way to access meth. Some users drink the meth-tainted urine to get high while others use the cooking process to filter the drug back out.

Thanks Dolce~I just threw up my shrimp I had for dinner....so, guess my kini will fit better now ::MonkeyTongue::
That is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard!!! I cannot imagine injecting anything into my veins - much less meth-tainted urine!! These people need to take a good, long, hard look in the mirror!! The hell with the handbasket - pass the barf bag! ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 12:45:17 AM
OK guys, I have something bugging my head tonight and I am not very good with maps....How far does Ron's mom live from Ron and how far is the bus stop from Ron's house??

I heard her say in an interview that she lived 20 miles away.  Bus stop I don't know but it was shown on a map several pages back.  It was when they were showing the route the searchers covered.  I will try to find it.  Wasn't far from the house I don't think.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: darla on March 15, 2009, 12:45:55 AM
OK guys, I have something bugging my head tonight and I am not very good with maps....How far does Ron's mom live from Ron and how far is the bus stop from Ron's house??

IIRC~she lives 12-15 miles away.......I 'll have to check the GVS transcripts. What;s bugging you Darla?

Why would she drive 12 to 15 miles to pick Haleigh up at the bus stop ? She said she picked Haleigh up...then Ron says he picked her up. Most bus stops are usually at the end of the street. Why would she drive that far to pick her up with Ron and Misty at home?? Could she have took Haleigh home with her??


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 12:46:51 AM
::MonkeyHaHa::  Not sure what meathod of filtration they use, but I know a spoon is involved.
Just so you guys do not think I am nuts.  Sorry I have been "schooled" by my Dad...he is not a methhead, he is a Sheriff.

http://www.propeller.com/story/2007/02/04/some-meth-addicts-turn-to-urine-to-get-high/
Some hard-core methamphetamine addicts will do anything to get high, including collecting and drinking the urine of other users. It's the newest way to access meth. Some users drink the meth-tainted urine to get high while others use the cooking process to filter the drug back out.

Thanks Dolce~I just threw up my shrimp I had for dinner....so, guess my kini will fit better now ::MonkeyTongue::
That is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard!!! I cannot imagine injecting anything into my veins - much less meth-tainted urine!! These people need to take a good, long, hard look in the mirror!! The hell with the handbasket - pass the barf bag! ::MonkeyShocked::

I thought meth was smoked.  Do they inject it too?


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 12:48:52 AM
::MonkeyHaHa::  Not sure what meathod of filtration they use, but I know a spoon is involved.
Just so you guys do not think I am nuts.  Sorry I have been "schooled" by my Dad...he is not a methhead, he is a Sheriff.

http://www.propeller.com/story/2007/02/04/some-meth-addicts-turn-to-urine-to-get-high/
Some hard-core methamphetamine addicts will do anything to get high, including collecting and drinking the urine of other users. It's the newest way to access meth. Some users drink the meth-tainted urine to get high while others use the cooking process to filter the drug back out.

Thanks Dolce~I just threw up my shrimp I had for dinner....so, guess my kini will fit better now ::MonkeyTongue::
That is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard!!! I cannot imagine injecting anything into my veins - much less meth-tainted urine!! These people need to take a good, long, hard look in the mirror!! The hell with the handbasket - pass the barf bag! ::MonkeyShocked::

I don't have a barf bag, but will this do......


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 12:49:25 AM
OK guys, I have something bugging my head tonight and I am not very good with maps....How far does Ron's mom live from Ron and how far is the bus stop from Ron's house??

IIRC~she lives 12-15 miles away.......I 'll have to check the GVS transcripts. What;s bugging you Darla?

Why would she drive 12 to 15 miles to pick Haleigh up at the bus stop ? She said she picked Haleigh up...then Ron says he picked her up. Most bus stops are usually at the end of the street. Why would she drive that far to pick her up with Ron and Misty at home?? Could she have took Haleigh home with her??

I wondered the same thing when I heard that reported.  I have not heard her say that she picked Haleigh up but I have read it here.  Maybe it was her day off??


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Bud's Girl on March 15, 2009, 12:51:50 AM
::MonkeyHaHa::  Not sure what meathod of filtration they use, but I know a spoon is involved.
Just so you guys do not think I am nuts.  Sorry I have been "schooled" by my Dad...he is not a methhead, he is a Sheriff.

http://www.propeller.com/story/2007/02/04/some-meth-addicts-turn-to-urine-to-get-high/
Some hard-core methamphetamine addicts will do anything to get high, including collecting and drinking the urine of other users. It's the newest way to access meth. Some users drink the meth-tainted urine to get high while others use the cooking process to filter the drug back out.

Thanks Dolce~I just threw up my shrimp I had for dinner....so, guess my kini will fit better now ::MonkeyTongue::
Well the fashion side of me says "way to go", but the motherly side of me says "go eat some saltines".

Dolce   LMAO !!     ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 15, 2009, 12:52:51 AM

I keep getting a vibe that Ron killed HL by accident and put her in his car, then dumped her on the job site, maybe even crushed her w/a barge. Those barges weigh about two tons. Sorry for the sickening thought, but this scenario keeps running thru my brain.



Luckyday, I'm afraid he may have hit her too hard or he hit her, she fell and hit her head, or maybe there was some kind of internal injury or some traumatic injury that may not have presented immediately, but minutes or hours later. ....Skull fracture, liver laceration, ruptured spleen, brain injury; She's unusually small (probably due to the missing X) he may have even shaken her extremely hard - not that it would take that much. I don't even want to go there......

That night with GR (Geraldo) it seemed like the family was circling the wagons and knew that Ron Ron's short fuse was about to blow and he would go into orbit. I got the sense that the Cummings' are all too familiar with his hair-trigger temper and they knew they had to assuage the scene before it escalated

In a nutshell, imo, Ron Ron is a violent individual and when he goes ballistic, the gloves are off and it really hits the proverbial fan. His family members were pacing like caged tigers and seemed really nervous, perhaps b/c they knew what was fixin' to go down on national TV if they didn't intervene.





Rana, I so agree with you. Hell, I was on edge the entire interview Geraldo had w/Ron. I think if his family hadn't been right there on the sidelines, Ronnie boy would have gone full throttle. Geraldo said he (Ron) was stoned. Not sure if that is true, but he sure looked a bit sheepish to me. I cannot wait till the lovebirds are back in Satsuma and Cobra has a one-on-one w/Ron. I think this week will be very, very interesting.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 12:54:05 AM
OK guys, I have something bugging my head tonight and I am not very good with maps....How far does Ron's mom live from Ron and how far is the bus stop from Ron's house??

IIRC~she lives 12-15 miles away.......I 'll have to check the GVS transcripts. What;s bugging you Darla?

Why would she drive 12 to 15 miles to pick Haleigh up at the bus stop ? She said she picked Haleigh up...then Ron says he picked her up. Most bus stops are usually at the end of the street. Why would she drive that far to pick her up with Ron and Misty at home?? Could she have took Haleigh home with her??

I wondered the same thing when I heard that reported.  I have not heard her say that she picked Haleigh up but I have read it here.  Maybe it was her day off??

IIRC~it was one the NG show........my mind is fried from trying to remember all this, i was certain she'd have been found by now ::MonkeyNoNo::  Here are the inconsistencies again because Ron also said her picked her up, if they both did I'd think they we say we picked her up instead of I?


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: darla on March 15, 2009, 12:54:35 AM
I just have this sick feeling that little Haleigh is wrapped in a blanket and is either in woods on Ron's way to work or in the river. I do not trust momma Teresa. The blanket  in the van "they took" is driving me nuts. When that statement was made LE had not took anything.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Bud's Girl on March 15, 2009, 12:54:58 AM
OK guys, I have something bugging my head tonight and I am not very good with maps....How far does Ron's mom live from Ron and how far is the bus stop from Ron's house??

IIRC~she lives 12-15 miles away.......I 'll have to check the GVS transcripts. What;s bugging you Darla?

Why would she drive 12 to 15 miles to pick Haleigh up at the bus stop ? She said she picked Haleigh up...then Ron says he picked her up. Most bus stops are usually at the end of the street. Why would she drive that far to pick her up with Ron and Misty at home?? Could she have took Haleigh home with her??

Darla, do you remember where you heard her say that?   I only heard that RC got her from the bus stop but I'm really behind.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: higherhopes on March 15, 2009, 12:56:50 AM
I just have this sick feeling that little Haleigh is wrapped in a blanket and is either in woods on Ron's way to work or in the river. I do not trust momma Teresa. The blanket  in the van "they took" is driving me nuts. When that statement was made LE had not took anything.
I think she is talking about the van that her Cousin had borrowed from someone when he had came over!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 12:57:08 AM
OK guys, I have something bugging my head tonight and I am not very good with maps....How far does Ron's mom live from Ron and how far is the bus stop from Ron's house??

IIRC~she lives 12-15 miles away.......I 'll have to check the GVS transcripts. What;s bugging you Darla?

Why would she drive 12 to 15 miles to pick Haleigh up at the bus stop ? She said she picked Haleigh up...then Ron says he picked her up. Most bus stops are usually at the end of the street. Why would she drive that far to pick her up with Ron and Misty at home?? Could she have took Haleigh home with her??

I wondered the same thing when I heard that reported.  I have not heard her say that she picked Haleigh up but I have read it here.  Maybe it was her day off??

IIRC~it was one the NG show........my mind is fried from trying to remember all this, i was certain she'd have been found by now ::MonkeyNoNo::  Here are the inconsistencies again because Ron also said her picked her up, if they both did I'd think they we say we picked her up instead of I?

yep, you are right about that.  they would say "we".


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 15, 2009, 12:59:20 AM
I just have this sick feeling that little Haleigh is wrapped in a blanket and is either in woods on Ron's way to work or in the river. I do not trust momma Teresa. The blanket  in the van "they took" is driving me nuts. When that statement was made LE had not took anything.
This blanket thing bugs the hell out of me. Do they each have their very own blanket? Are there no extra blankets if one is soiled? Is that why Misty had to take a blanket off the window (which window??) because they are blanket-less?? Why is Misty's blanket in a van that "they" took? What van and who in the hell is "they"? Could Ron have accidently killed her by back handing her? Maybe the cousin was there and witnessed it? Could it be the cousins van? Did "they" wrap HL in the infamous blanket and Ron and cousin put HL in the mysterious van????


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 12:59:35 AM
I just have this sick feeling that little Haleigh is wrapped in a blanket and is either in woods on Ron's way to work or in the river. I do not trust momma Teresa. The blanket  in the van "they took" is driving me nuts. When that statement was made LE had not took anything.
I think she is talking about the van that her Cousin had borrowed from someone when he had came over!

I agree.  so does that mean she went with him when he borrowed the van?  and who was she partying with supposedly for 3 days.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: darla on March 15, 2009, 12:59:56 AM
OK guys, I have something bugging my head tonight and I am not very good with maps....How far does Ron's mom live from Ron and how far is the bus stop from Ron's house??

IIRC~she lives 12-15 miles away.......I 'll have to check the GVS transcripts. What;s bugging you Darla?

Why would she drive 12 to 15 miles to pick Haleigh up at the bus stop ? She said she picked Haleigh up...then Ron says he picked her up. Most bus stops are usually at the end of the street. Why would she drive that far to pick her up with Ron and Misty at home?? Could she have took Haleigh home with her??

Darla, do you remember where you heard her say that?   I only heard that RC got her from the bus stop but I'm really behind.

I think it was in the early interviews. I can't remember but I do remember reading it here.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 01:01:18 AM
OK guys, I have something bugging my head tonight and I am not very good with maps....How far does Ron's mom live from Ron and how far is the bus stop from Ron's house??

IIRC~she lives 12-15 miles away.......I 'll have to check the GVS transcripts. What;s bugging you Darla?

Why would she drive 12 to 15 miles to pick Haleigh up at the bus stop ? She said she picked Haleigh up...then Ron says he picked her up. Most bus stops are usually at the end of the street. Why would she drive that far to pick her up with Ron and Misty at home?? Could she have took Haleigh home with her??

Darla, do you remember where you heard her say that?   I only heard that RC got her from the bus stop but I'm really behind.

Here is one of the places I heard it:

 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html

NANCY GRACE

Police Pursue New Leads in Missing Florida Girl

Aired February 17, 2009 - 20:00:00   ET

TERESA NEVES, PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: I believe that she was. To the best of my knowledge, she was there. I had a family member there that night checking on the children, dropping off some clothes. So I know up to a point that she was definitely there. There`s no doubt in my mind that she was there, you know?


GRACE: We know for a fact, Miss Neves, that she was at school the day that she went missing.

NEVES: Yes, ma`am, she was. I picked her up from the bus stop.
 

 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Foggy Dew on March 15, 2009, 01:04:34 AM
OK guys, I have something bugging my head tonight and I am not very good with maps....How far does Ron's mom live from Ron and how far is the bus stop from Ron's house??

IIRC~she lives 12-15 miles away.......I 'll have to check the GVS transcripts. What;s bugging you Darla?

Why would she drive 12 to 15 miles to pick Haleigh up at the bus stop ? She said she picked Haleigh up...then Ron says he picked her up. Most bus stops are usually at the end of the street. Why would she drive that far to pick her up with Ron and Misty at home?? Could she have took Haleigh home with her??

I wondered the same thing when I heard that reported.  I have not heard her say that she picked Haleigh up but I have read it here.  Maybe it was her day off??

IIRC~it was one the NG show........my mind is fried from trying to remember all this, i was certain she'd have been found by now ::MonkeyNoNo::  Here are the inconsistencies again because Ron also said her picked her up, if they both did I'd think they we say we picked her up instead of I?


IM, I think saying "I" instead of "we" can be an indicator of how dismissive he is of others--esp. the females in his life.  I'm not defending RC, its just that I know a guy who is like that--everything is stated w/ an I instead of we, though he's been married to the same woman for over a decade.

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: darla on March 15, 2009, 01:05:03 AM
of the places I heard it:

 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html

NANCY GRACE

Police Pursue New Leads in Missing Florida Girl

Aired February 17, 2009 - 20:00:00   ET

TERESA NEVES, PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: I believe that she was. To the best of my knowledge, she was there. I had a family member there that night checking on the children, dropping off some clothes. So I know up to a point that she was definitely there. There`s no doubt in my mind that she was there, you know?


GRACE: We know for a fact, Miss Neves, that she was at school the day that she went missing.

NEVES: Yes, ma`am, she was. I picked her up from the bus stop.
 

 
This is what is bothering me. If she got her off the bus....Why would she send someone to check on the kids? If she was that worried about them...why did she not take them home with her??? Something just does not add up.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Bud's Girl on March 15, 2009, 01:06:36 AM
OK guys, I have something bugging my head tonight and I am not very good with maps....How far does Ron's mom live from Ron and how far is the bus stop from Ron's house??
IIRC~she lives 12-15 miles away.......I 'll have to check the GVS transcripts. What;s bugging you Darla?
Why would she drive 12 to 15 miles to pick Haleigh up at the bus stop ? She said she picked Haleigh up...then Ron says he picked her up. Most bus stops are usually at the end of the street. Why would she drive that far to pick her up with Ron and Misty at home?? Could she have took Haleigh home with her??
Darla, do you remember where you heard her say that?   I only heard that RC got her from the bus stop but I'm really behind.
Here is one of the places I heard it:
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html

NANCY GRACE

Police Pursue New Leads in Missing Florida Girl

Aired February 17, 2009 - 20:00:00   ET

TERESA NEVES, PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: I believe that she was. To the best of my knowledge, she was there. I had a family member there that night checking on the children, dropping off some clothes. So I know up to a point that she was definitely there. There`s no doubt in my mind that she was there, you know?

GRACE: We know for a fact, Miss Neves, that she was at school the day that she went missing.

NEVES: Yes, ma`am, she was. I picked her up from the bus stop.
 

ohhh  thanks... I missed that, I think because in that interview, I got stuck on TN saying she sent a family member to check on the children, which struck me as odd if she totally trusted Misty like she says she does.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 01:07:27 AM

I keep getting a vibe that Ron killed HL by accident and put her in his car, then dumped her on the job site, maybe even crushed her w/a barge. Those barges weigh about two tons. Sorry for the sickening thought, but this scenario keeps running thru my brain.



Luckyday, I'm afraid he may have hit her too hard or he hit her, she fell and hit her head, or maybe there was some kind of internal injury or some traumatic injury that may not have presented immediately, but minutes or hours later. ....Skull fracture, liver laceration, ruptured spleen, brain injury; She's unusually small (probably due to the missing X) he may have even shaken her extremely hard - not that it would take that much. I don't even want to go there......

That night with GR (Geraldo) it seemed like the family was circling the wagons and knew that Ron Ron's short fuse was about to blow and he would go into orbit. I got the sense that the Cummings' are all too familiar with his hair-trigger temper and they knew they had to assuage the scene before it escalated

In a nutshell, imo, Ron Ron is a violent individual and when he goes ballistic, the gloves are off and it really hits the proverbial fan. His family members were pacing like caged tigers and seemed really nervous, perhaps b/c they knew what was fixin' to go down on national TV if they didn't intervene.


I saw Giraldo the night before he went to Florida telling Bill O'Reily that Ron had beaten Haleigh.  He said he had the picture to prove it.  He said that he was an abusive husband and a drug head. And that he was going the next day to confront him with his evidence.

So, I am sure Ron or family saw or heard that and had been preparing all day for his encounter with Giraldo.  By the time the interview took place Ron was probably a full blown maniac. Probably a good thing the family was there.  But, Giraldo has been hit before.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 01:12:51 AM
OK guys, I have something bugging my head tonight and I am not very good with maps....How far does Ron's mom live from Ron and how far is the bus stop from Ron's house??
IIRC~she lives 12-15 miles away.......I 'll have to check the GVS transcripts. What;s bugging you Darla?
Why would she drive 12 to 15 miles to pick Haleigh up at the bus stop ? She said she picked Haleigh up...then Ron says he picked her up. Most bus stops are usually at the end of the street. Why would she drive that far to pick her up with Ron and Misty at home?? Could she have took Haleigh home with her??
Darla, do you remember where you heard her say that?   I only heard that RC got her from the bus stop but I'm really behind.
Here is one of the places I heard it:
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html

NANCY GRACE

Police Pursue New Leads in Missing Florida Girl

Aired February 17, 2009 - 20:00:00   ET

TERESA NEVES, PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: I believe that she was. To the best of my knowledge, she was there. I had a family member there that night checking on the children, dropping off some clothes. So I know up to a point that she was definitely there. There`s no doubt in my mind that she was there, you know?

GRACE: We know for a fact, Miss Neves, that she was at school the day that she went missing.

NEVES: Yes, ma`am, she was. I picked her up from the bus stop.
 

ohhh  thanks... I missed that, I think because in that interview, I got stuck on TN saying she sent a family member to check on the children, which struck me as odd if she totally trusted Misty like she says she does.

Me too, then it turned into GGMA Sykes dropped of clothes vs check on kids.....makes you wonder what she knows about Misty's mothering abilities.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 15, 2009, 01:12:54 AM

I keep getting a vibe that Ron killed HL by accident and put her in his car, then dumped her on the job site, maybe even crushed her w/a barge. Those barges weigh about two tons. Sorry for the sickening thought, but this scenario keeps running thru my brain.



Luckyday, I'm afraid he may have hit her too hard or he hit her, she fell and hit her head, or maybe there was some kind of internal injury or some traumatic injury that may not have presented immediately, but minutes or hours later. ....Skull fracture, liver laceration, ruptured spleen, brain injury; She's unusually small (probably due to the missing X) he may have even shaken her extremely hard - not that it would take that much. I don't even want to go there......

That night with GR (Geraldo) it seemed like the family was circling the wagons and knew that Ron Ron's short fuse was about to blow and he would go into orbit. I got the sense that the Cummings' are all too familiar with his hair-trigger temper and they knew they had to assuage the scene before it escalated

In a nutshell, imo, Ron Ron is a violent individual and when he goes ballistic, the gloves are off and it really hits the proverbial fan. His family members were pacing like caged tigers and seemed really nervous, perhaps b/c they knew what was fixin' to go down on national TV if they didn't intervene.


I saw Giraldo the night before he went to Florida telling Bill O'Reily that Ron had beaten Haleigh.  He said he had the picture to prove it.  He said that he was an abusive husband and a drug head. And that he was going the next day to confront him with his evidence.

So, I am sure Ron or family saw or heard that and had been preparing all day for his encounter with Giraldo.  By the time the interview took place Ron was probably a full blown maniac. Probably a good thing the family was there.  But, Giraldo has been hit before.
Well, I wish the family had NOT been there because I would love to see Ron's temper in all his full glory. I want to see (not just hear - "why you let someone steal my child, bitch?') him go balls on walls. It is prolly killing him to have to hold back. People like that have no control over their temper.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Foggy Dew on March 15, 2009, 01:13:36 AM
I just have this sick feeling that little Haleigh is wrapped in a blanket and is either in woods on Ron's way to work or in the river. I do not trust momma Teresa. The blanket  in the van "they took" is driving me nuts. When that statement was made LE had not took anything.


Try to banish that thought, Miss Darla--something I've had to do repeatedly.  Try to stay positive.   :sunny:  In any case, I think LE is working under some strong theory despite their words to the contrary.  I just wish they could/would arrest "stepmom" or bio dad (or one of the players) under some pretext or other to shake things up a bit.  :smt102

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 01:15:15 AM

I keep getting a vibe that Ron killed HL by accident and put her in his car, then dumped her on the job site, maybe even crushed her w/a barge. Those barges weigh about two tons. Sorry for the sickening thought, but this scenario keeps running thru my brain.



Luckyday, I'm afraid he may have hit her too hard or he hit her, she fell and hit her head, or maybe there was some kind of internal injury or some traumatic injury that may not have presented immediately, but minutes or hours later. ....Skull fracture, liver laceration, ruptured spleen, brain injury; She's unusually small (probably due to the missing X) he may have even shaken her extremely hard - not that it would take that much. I don't even want to go there......

That night with GR (Geraldo) it seemed like the family was circling the wagons and knew that Ron Ron's short fuse was about to blow and he would go into orbit. I got the sense that the Cummings' are all too familiar with his hair-trigger temper and they knew they had to assuage the scene before it escalated

In a nutshell, imo, Ron Ron is a violent individual and when he goes ballistic, the gloves are off and it really hits the proverbial fan. His family members were pacing like caged tigers and seemed really nervous, perhaps b/c they knew what was fixin' to go down on national TV if they didn't intervene.


I saw Giraldo the night before he went to Florida telling Bill O'Reily that Ron had beaten Haleigh.  He said he had the picture to prove it.  He said that he was an abusive husband and a drug head. And that he was going the next day to confront him with his evidence.

So, I am sure Ron or family saw or heard that and had been preparing all day for his encounter with Giraldo.  By the time the interview took place Ron was probably a full blown maniac. Probably a good thing the family was there.  But, Giraldo has been hit before.

MOO~he appears to have quite a temper and possibly an abuser (he was arrested for violating the restraining order), but abusers from what I've heard tend to only hit the more vunerable in their life, ie his choice of women all young and vunerable......most don't hit men.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 15, 2009, 01:17:34 AM
I just have this sick feeling that little Haleigh is wrapped in a blanket and is either in woods on Ron's way to work or in the river. I do not trust momma Teresa. The blanket  in the van "they took" is driving me nuts. When that statement was made LE had not took anything.

I have this from my notes on Feb. 18 from a news article:

Florida Department of Law Enforcement special Agent Dominick Pape said his department seized one vehicle for evidence, but wouldn't elaborate except to say it was taken early in the investigation. "It was processed for evidence, but we're not going to get into that, but it was processed by FDLE," says Detective Dominick Pape with FDLE.

We don't know when that vehicle was seized, nor what vehicle it was, but I am betting Misty let the cat out of the bag by making that statement about the "van they took."

And, apparently, it was taken VERY early into the investigation.

(I ended up working on art stuff and never went to bed. LOL)


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 01:20:04 AM

I keep getting a vibe that Ron killed HL by accident and put her in his car, then dumped her on the job site, maybe even crushed her w/a barge. Those barges weigh about two tons. Sorry for the sickening thought, but this scenario keeps running thru my brain.



Luckyday, I'm afraid he may have hit her too hard or he hit her, she fell and hit her head, or maybe there was some kind of internal injury or some traumatic injury that may not have presented immediately, but minutes or hours later. ....Skull fracture, liver laceration, ruptured spleen, brain injury; She's unusually small (probably due to the missing X) he may have even shaken her extremely hard - not that it would take that much. I don't even want to go there......

That night with GR (Geraldo) it seemed like the family was circling the wagons and knew that Ron Ron's short fuse was about to blow and he would go into orbit. I got the sense that the Cummings' are all too familiar with his hair-trigger temper and they knew they had to assuage the scene before it escalated

In a nutshell, imo, Ron Ron is a violent individual and when he goes ballistic, the gloves are off and it really hits the proverbial fan. His family members were pacing like caged tigers and seemed really nervous, perhaps b/c they knew what was fixin' to go down on national TV if they didn't intervene.


I saw Giraldo the night before he went to Florida telling Bill O'Reily that Ron had beaten Haleigh.  He said he had the picture to prove it.  He said that he was an abusive husband and a drug head. And that he was going the next day to confront him with his evidence.

So, I am sure Ron or family saw or heard that and had been preparing all day for his encounter with Giraldo.  By the time the interview took place Ron was probably a full blown maniac. Probably a good thing the family was there.  But, Giraldo has been hit before.
Well, I wish the family had NOT been there because I would love to see Ron's temper in all his full glory. I want to see (not just hear - "why you let someone steal my child, bitch?') him go balls on walls. It is prolly killing him to have to hold back. People like that have no control over their temper.

I agree that it is killing him.  I think that was part of his smirk on the Today Show when asked about the man in black. I am sure he was thinking yea btch I would like to rub your face in the ground.  speaking about the interviewer.  Must say he has shown some control but how long will that last?


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 15, 2009, 01:20:27 AM
I just have this sick feeling that little Haleigh is wrapped in a blanket and is either in woods on Ron's way to work or in the river. I do not trust momma Teresa. The blanket  in the van "they took" is driving me nuts. When that statement was made LE had not took anything.

I have this from my notes on Feb. 18 from a news article:

Florida Department of Law Enforcement special Agent Dominick Pape said his department seized one vehicle for evidence, but wouldn't elaborate except to say it was taken early in the investigation. "It was processed for evidence, but we're not going to get into that, but it was processed by FDLE," says Detective Dominick Pape with FDLE.

We don't know when that vehicle was seized, nor what vehicle it was, but I am betting Misty let the cat out of the bag by making that statement about the "van they took."

And, apparently, it was taken VERY early into the investigation.

(I ended up working on art stuff and never went to bed. LOL)
Do we know what kind of vehicle Ron drives? I know there is or was a car parked in front of the trailer - was that his? Wonder if we can look up what vehicles (if any) are registered to him??


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: darla on March 15, 2009, 01:21:10 AM
I just have this sick feeling that little Haleigh is wrapped in a blanket and is either in woods on Ron's way to work or in the river. I do not trust momma Teresa. The blanket  in the van "they took" is driving me nuts. When that statement was made LE had not took anything.


Try to banish that thought, Miss Darla--something I've had to do repeatedly.  Try to stay positive.   :sunny:  In any case, I think LE is working under some strong theory despite their words to the contrary.  I just wish they could/would arrest "stepmom" or bio dad (or one of the players) under some pretext or other to shake things up a bit.  :smt102

Foggy

I wish I could Foggy...but it has been eating at me since day 1....I have felt she has been gone since I first saw Ron on camera.And I think she is somewhere between home and Ron's work place. And no I am not saying I am psychic or anything, just a gut feeling.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: sistamarge on March 15, 2009, 01:21:53 AM

I keep getting a vibe that Ron killed HL by accident and put her in his car, then dumped her on the job site, maybe even crushed her w/a barge. Those barges weigh about two tons. Sorry for the sickening thought, but this scenario keeps running thru my brain.



Luckyday, I'm afraid he may have hit her too hard or he hit her, she fell and hit her head, or maybe there was some kind of internal injury or some traumatic injury that may not have presented immediately, but minutes or hours later. ....Skull fracture, liver laceration, ruptured spleen, brain injury; She's unusually small (probably due to the missing X) he may have even shaken her extremely hard - not that it would take that much. I don't even want to go there......

That night with GR (Geraldo) it seemed like the family was circling the wagons and knew that Ron Ron's short fuse was about to blow and he would go into orbit. I got the sense that the Cummings' are all too familiar with his hair-trigger temper and they knew they had to assuage the scene before it escalated

In a nutshell, imo, Ron Ron is a violent individual and when he goes ballistic, the gloves are off and it really hits the proverbial fan. His family members were pacing like caged tigers and seemed really nervous, perhaps b/c they knew what was fixin' to go down on national TV if they didn't intervene.


I saw Giraldo the night before he went to Florida telling Bill O'Reily that Ron had beaten Haleigh.  He said he had the picture to prove it.  He said that he was an abusive husband and a drug head. And that he was going the next day to confront him with his evidence.

So, I am sure Ron or family saw or heard that and had been preparing all day for his encounter with Giraldo.  By the time the interview took place Ron was probably a full blown maniac. Probably a good thing the family was there.  But, Giraldo has been hit before.

Guilty or not...Ron is a *punk* wanna be.  He's trying to look *bad*  I think if Cobra had done the interview...he'd be on the ground again...cryin like a baby.  IMO he might be a bad a$$ in Satsuma, but he's about to see how the *big* dogs fight.   


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: osucowboy on March 15, 2009, 01:22:51 AM

I keep getting a vibe that Ron killed HL by accident and put her in his car, then dumped her on the job site, maybe even crushed her w/a barge. Those barges weigh about two tons. Sorry for the sickening thought, but this scenario keeps running thru my brain.



Luckyday, I'm afraid he may have hit her too hard or he hit her, she fell and hit her head, or maybe there was some kind of internal injury or some traumatic injury that may not have presented immediately, but minutes or hours later. ....Skull fracture, liver laceration, ruptured spleen, brain injury; She's unusually small (probably due to the missing X) he may have even shaken her extremely hard - not that it would take that much. I don't even want to go there......

That night with GR (Geraldo) it seemed like the family was circling the wagons and knew that Ron Ron's short fuse was about to blow and he would go into orbit. I got the sense that the Cummings' are all too familiar with his hair-trigger temper and they knew they had to assuage the scene before it escalated

In a nutshell, imo, Ron Ron is a violent individual and when he goes ballistic, the gloves are off and it really hits the proverbial fan. His family members were pacing like caged tigers and seemed really nervous, perhaps b/c they knew what was fixin' to go down on national TV if they didn't intervene.


I saw Giraldo the night before he went to Florida telling Bill O'Reily that Ron had beaten Haleigh.  He said he had the picture to prove it.  He said that he was an abusive husband and a drug head. And that he was going the next day to confront him with his evidence.

So, I am sure Ron or family saw or heard that and had been preparing all day for his encounter with Giraldo.  By the time the interview took place Ron was probably a full blown maniac. Probably a good thing the family was there.  But, Giraldo has been hit before.

MOO~he appears to have quite a temper and possibly an abuser (he was arrested for violating the restraining order), but abusers from what I've heard tend to only hit the more vunerable in their life, ie his choice of women all young and vunerable......most don't hit men.

ITA Islandmonkey.  Misty should be concerned that she will be the next missing person.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 01:24:54 AM
I just have this sick feeling that little Haleigh is wrapped in a blanket and is either in woods on Ron's way to work or in the river. I do not trust momma Teresa. The blanket  in the van "they took" is driving me nuts. When that statement was made LE had not took anything.

I have this from my notes on Feb. 18 from a news article:

Florida Department of Law Enforcement special Agent Dominick Pape said his department seized one vehicle for evidence, but wouldn't elaborate except to say it was taken early in the investigation. "It was processed for evidence, but we're not going to get into that, but it was processed by FDLE," says Detective Dominick Pape with FDLE.

We don't know when that vehicle was seized, nor what vehicle it was, but I am betting Misty let the cat out of the bag by making that statement about the "van they took."

And, apparently, it was taken VERY early into the investigation.

(I ended up working on art stuff and never went to bed. LOL)
Do we know what kind of vehicle Ron drives? I know there is or was a car parked in front of the trailer - was that his? Wonder if we can look up what vehicles (if any) are registered to him??

I think he drives a white chevy pickup, it's kinda hard to miss because it has HUGE letters on the back now that say "Only God Can Judge Me" and something on the front like "Daddy's Girl"....and, no you can't look up records on vehicles or boats, not public after 9/11


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 15, 2009, 01:26:21 AM
I just have this sick feeling that little Haleigh is wrapped in a blanket and is either in woods on Ron's way to work or in the river. I do not trust momma Teresa. The blanket  in the van "they took" is driving me nuts. When that statement was made LE had not took anything.

I have this from my notes on Feb. 18 from a news article:

Florida Department of Law Enforcement special Agent Dominick Pape said his department seized one vehicle for evidence, but wouldn't elaborate except to say it was taken early in the investigation. "It was processed for evidence, but we're not going to get into that, but it was processed by FDLE," says Detective Dominick Pape with FDLE.

We don't know when that vehicle was seized, nor what vehicle it was, but I am betting Misty let the cat out of the bag by making that statement about the "van they took."

And, apparently, it was taken VERY early into the investigation.

(I ended up working on art stuff and never went to bed. LOL)
Do we know what kind of vehicle Ron drives? I know there is or was a car parked in front of the trailer - was that his? Wonder if we can look up what vehicles (if any) are registered to him??



I have no idea what vehicles are owned by Ronald. This picture shows a van in it, but I think it is the neighbor's, as it is outside the crime scene tape:

(Actually probably shows 2 vans, but I am referring to the one on the right.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image6-1.png)


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 01:26:27 AM

I keep getting a vibe that Ron killed HL by accident and put her in his car, then dumped her on the job site, maybe even crushed her w/a barge. Those barges weigh about two tons. Sorry for the sickening thought, but this scenario keeps running thru my brain.



Luckyday, I'm afraid he may have hit her too hard or he hit her, she fell and hit her head, or maybe there was some kind of internal injury or some traumatic injury that may not have presented immediately, but minutes or hours later. ....Skull fracture, liver laceration, ruptured spleen, brain injury; She's unusually small (probably due to the missing X) he may have even shaken her extremely hard - not that it would take that much. I don't even want to go there......

That night with GR (Geraldo) it seemed like the family was circling the wagons and knew that Ron Ron's short fuse was about to blow and he would go into orbit. I got the sense that the Cummings' are all too familiar with his hair-trigger temper and they knew they had to assuage the scene before it escalated

In a nutshell, imo, Ron Ron is a violent individual and when he goes ballistic, the gloves are off and it really hits the proverbial fan. His family members were pacing like caged tigers and seemed really nervous, perhaps b/c they knew what was fixin' to go down on national TV if they didn't intervene.


I saw Giraldo the night before he went to Florida telling Bill O'Reily that Ron had beaten Haleigh.  He said he had the picture to prove it.  He said that he was an abusive husband and a drug head. And that he was going the next day to confront him with his evidence.

So, I am sure Ron or family saw or heard that and had been preparing all day for his encounter with Giraldo.  By the time the interview took place Ron was probably a full blown maniac. Probably a good thing the family was there.  But, Giraldo has been hit before.

Guilty or not...Ron is a *punk* wanna be.  He's trying to look *bad*  I think if Cobra had done the interview...he'd be on the ground again...cryin like a baby.  IMO he might be a bad a$$ in Satsuma, but he's about to see how the *big* dogs fight.   


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Amen sista, tell me how you really feel ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Foggy Dew on March 15, 2009, 01:27:19 AM
 :?:Something I've wondered about for ages is how could one cover up for a son/daughter who took the life of a younger family member?  I really don't think I could.  Its just a rhetorical question that is mind boggling to me.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 01:28:57 AM
:?:Something I've wondered about for ages is how could one cover up for a son/daughter who took the life of a younger family member?  I really don't think I could.  Its just a rhetorical question that is mind boggling to me.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

that is what boggles my mind about the freakin Anthony's.  that is one sick family.  all of them.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 01:29:18 AM

I keep getting a vibe that Ron killed HL by accident and put her in his car, then dumped her on the job site, maybe even crushed her w/a barge. Those barges weigh about two tons. Sorry for the sickening thought, but this scenario keeps running thru my brain.



Luckyday, I'm afraid he may have hit her too hard or he hit her, she fell and hit her head, or maybe there was some kind of internal injury or some traumatic injury that may not have presented immediately, but minutes or hours later. ....Skull fracture, liver laceration, ruptured spleen, brain injury; She's unusually small (probably due to the missing X) he may have even shaken her extremely hard - not that it would take that much. I don't even want to go there......

That night with GR (Geraldo) it seemed like the family was circling the wagons and knew that Ron Ron's short fuse was about to blow and he would go into orbit. I got the sense that the Cummings' are all too familiar with his hair-trigger temper and they knew they had to assuage the scene before it escalated

In a nutshell, imo, Ron Ron is a violent individual and when he goes ballistic, the gloves are off and it really hits the proverbial fan. His family members were pacing like caged tigers and seemed really nervous, perhaps b/c they knew what was fixin' to go down on national TV if they didn't intervene.


I saw Giraldo the night before he went to Florida telling Bill O'Reily that Ron had beaten Haleigh.  He said he had the picture to prove it.  He said that he was an abusive husband and a drug head. And that he was going the next day to confront him with his evidence.

So, I am sure Ron or family saw or heard that and had been preparing all day for his encounter with Giraldo.  By the time the interview took place Ron was probably a full blown maniac. Probably a good thing the family was there.  But, Giraldo has been hit before.

MOO~he appears to have quite a temper and possibly an abuser (he was arrested for violating the restraining order), but abusers from what I've heard tend to only hit the more vunerable in their life, ie his choice of women all young and vunerable......most don't hit men.

ITA Islandmonkey.  Misty should be concerned that she will be the next missing person.

Or dead.........


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 15, 2009, 01:29:44 AM
I just have this sick feeling that little Haleigh is wrapped in a blanket and is either in woods on Ron's way to work or in the river. I do not trust momma Teresa. The blanket  in the van "they took" is driving me nuts. When that statement was made LE had not took anything.

I have this from my notes on Feb. 18 from a news article:

Florida Department of Law Enforcement special Agent Dominick Pape said his department seized one vehicle for evidence, but wouldn't elaborate except to say it was taken early in the investigation. "It was processed for evidence, but we're not going to get into that, but it was processed by FDLE," says Detective Dominick Pape with FDLE.

We don't know when that vehicle was seized, nor what vehicle it was, but I am betting Misty let the cat out of the bag by making that statement about the "van they took."

And, apparently, it was taken VERY early into the investigation.

(I ended up working on art stuff and never went to bed. LOL)
Do we know what kind of vehicle Ron drives? I know there is or was a car parked in front of the trailer - was that his? Wonder if we can look up what vehicles (if any) are registered to him??

I think he drives a white chevy pickup, it's kinda hard to miss because it has HUGE letters on the back now that say "Only God Can Judge Me" and something on the front like "Daddy's Girl"....and, no you can't look up records on vehicles or boats, not public after 9/11
Thanks, I checked out the website and you can if you have the title or VIN number.

And the comment about Misty being next to go missing, yes - I have thought the same thing. I really feel for Misty. I think she is just a young, immature kid who sought love and security with the wrong person. I pray she gets the hell away from him and goes to Cobra or LE and tells them what she knows.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 15, 2009, 01:31:00 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/45030846.jpg)

Forgot about this picture.

Shows a sedan at the house.

No idea whose it is.



Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 15, 2009, 01:32:30 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/45030846.jpg)

Forgot about this picture.

Shows a sedan at the house.

No idea whose it is.


Brandi, can you get a close up of the license plate? Maybe between all of us we can find someone to run it. I know, I am drawing at straws here, but damnit man, this is soooo frustrating!! ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: darla on March 15, 2009, 01:32:58 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/45030846.jpg)

Forgot about this picture.

Shows a sedan at the house.

No idea whose it is.




Can anyone zoom in on it and get the tag number??


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 15, 2009, 01:34:11 AM
Luckyday,

I cannot read the license plate when I blow up the image.

 ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 15, 2009, 01:34:19 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/45030846.jpg)

Forgot about this picture.

Shows a sedan at the house.

No idea whose it is.




Can anyone zoom in on it and get the tag number??
Darla, you owe me a coke!!! Oh, to hell w/it, break out the Wild Turkey!! ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: darla on March 15, 2009, 01:34:25 AM
If we can get the number I will get my son to run it tomorrow. He is a cop.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 15, 2009, 01:35:36 AM
Luckyday,

I cannot read the license plate when I blow up the image.

 ::MonkeyWaa::
No prob, but thanks for trying!! Guess we will have to wait until Monday for the next round of drama.  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 15, 2009, 01:36:23 AM
If we can get the number I will get my son to run it tomorrow. He is a cop.
What does your son think of this case?? As a cop, I would be curious to know.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 01:38:10 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/45030846.jpg)

Forgot about this picture.

Shows a sedan at the house.

No idea whose it is.




Can anyone zoom in on it and get the tag number??
Darla, you owe me a coke!!! Oh, to hell w/it, break out the Wild Turkey!! ::cartwheel::

This is Ron's truck


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: sistamarge on March 15, 2009, 01:40:37 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/45030846.jpg)

Forgot about this picture.

Shows a sedan at the house.

No idea whose it is.




Can anyone zoom in on it and get the tag number??
Darla, you owe me a coke!!! Oh, to hell w/it, break out the Wild Turkey!! ::cartwheel::

I read somewhere in the beginning that it was either the car that Ron drove or TN...can't remember for sure.  But notice there is no police tape, and the skirting hasn't been taken off yet, as in later pics


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 15, 2009, 01:42:02 AM
Apparently, Chad drives a white pickup as well:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image2-2.jpg?t=1237095676)


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 15, 2009, 01:42:51 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/45030846.jpg)

Forgot about this picture.

Shows a sedan at the house.

No idea whose it is.




Can anyone zoom in on it and get the tag number??
Darla, you owe me a coke!!! Oh, to hell w/it, break out the Wild Turkey!! ::cartwheel::

This is Ron's truck
Wow!!! Pretty damned nice truck - wasn't there a discussion here last week about if this was a new truck? I think that's how the "hand basket" thingy started??? And, is it a new truck??? We can read the first three letters/numbers - wonder if Darla's son could check it out that way - but if it's new, I guess it would be a MOOt point.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 01:43:02 AM
 ::MonkeyTongue:: This one is a better shot of the truck


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: darla on March 15, 2009, 01:43:34 AM
If we can get the number I will get my son to run it tomorrow. He is a cop.
What does your son think of this case?? As a cop, I would be curious to know.

He has not followed it as close as I have...We are in S.C. but he seems to think she is no longer with us...and that Ron and Misty are responsible for whatever happened. At least Misty is involved.But with no more than LE has released he said it is a tough call.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 01:46:08 AM
::MonkeyTongue:: This one is a better shot of the truck

That doesn't look like a new truck to me.  Is it?


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: sistamarge on March 15, 2009, 01:47:36 AM
::MonkeyTongue:: This one is a better shot of the truck

Can someone check the year of the truck??  Cuz I think those tail lights are custom chrome.....I could be wrong.  But looks like he's Trickin His Truck...


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 01:47:49 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/45030846.jpg)

Forgot about this picture.

Shows a sedan at the house.

No idea whose it is.




Can anyone zoom in on it and get the tag number??
Darla, you owe me a coke!!! Oh, to hell w/it, break out the Wild Turkey!! ::cartwheel::

This is Ron's truck
Wow!!! Pretty damned nice truck - wasn't there a discussion here last week about if this was a new truck? I think that's how the "hand basket" thingy started??? And, is it a new truck??? We can read the first three letters/numbers - wonder if Darla's son could check it out that way - but if it's new, I guess it would be a MOOt point.


Well, it may not be new....remember the truck that had grave digger on the back window, I think that he just changed the lettering........damn, now I have to go find that photo ::MonkeyConfused:: But, you can zoom in on the letters of his truck in the last photo I posted


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: GabbyG on March 15, 2009, 01:49:05 AM
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

OK, I know I will get the heat for this...but I do need a question answered, if you may.

Did Ron say he was at work the night Haleigh went missing???

um, hey,,, I do not know, I was at work !!!

IIRC LE has confirmed that they did check out Ron being at work the night Haleigh went missing, and that they did verify it to be true.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 15, 2009, 01:49:37 AM
::MonkeyTongue:: This one is a better shot of the truck

Same day, at the tatoo shop:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image2-4.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: lolabelle on March 15, 2009, 01:49:42 AM
::MonkeyTongue:: This one is a better shot of the truck

That doesn't look like a new truck to me.  Is it?

Someone with great truck knowledge I believe posted it was a late 90's or early 2000's model


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: darla on March 15, 2009, 01:53:11 AM
::MonkeyTongue:: This one is a better shot of the truck

That doesn't look like a new truck to me.  Is it?

Someone with great truck knowledge I believe posted it was a late 90's or early 2000's model

It would be hard to run it with just the first 3 numbers. But in the video of Ron and Misty geting their marriage license I thought they went to an old beat up blue or black truck


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 01:54:15 AM
::MonkeyTongue:: This one is a better shot of the truck

Same day, at the tatoo shop:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image2-4.jpg)

That;s not his truck, that day he rode in a dark SUV


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 15, 2009, 01:55:11 AM
close up of license plate area:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image4-3.png)

I think that is 6GO (0) ?


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 01:55:41 AM
::MonkeyTongue:: This one is a better shot of the truck

Same day, at the tatoo shop:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image2-4.jpg)

remember in the video at the tattoo shop when he pulled up his shirt and he had a tat on his back.  could you tell what it said?  i couldn't make it out.  just curious because he wanted the guy to fix it.  not sure what that meant either.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 15, 2009, 01:56:40 AM
::MonkeyTongue:: This one is a better shot of the truck

Same day, at the tatoo shop:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image2-4.jpg)

That;s not his truck, that day he rode in a dark SUV

Sorry. Thought it was.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 01:56:52 AM
::MonkeyTongue:: This one is a better shot of the truck

That doesn't look like a new truck to me.  Is it?

Someone with great truck knowledge I believe posted it was a late 90's or early 2000's model

It would be hard to run it with just the first 3 numbers. But in the video of Ron and Misty geting their marriage license I thought they went to an old beat up blue or black truck


Darla~you can see all 6 on this photo


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 15, 2009, 01:56:55 AM
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

OK, I know I will get the heat for this...but I do need a question answered, if you may.

Did Ron say he was at work the night Haleigh went missing???

um, hey,,, I do not know, I was at work !!!

IIRC LE has confirmed that they did check out Ron being at work the night Haleigh went missing, and that they did verify it to be true.
Would love to know the exact time he clocked in and out.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 01:58:42 AM
close up of license plate area:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image4-3.png)

I think that is 6GO (0) ?


Yep, that's what I got when I blew it up......


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: darla on March 15, 2009, 01:58:51 AM
close up of license plate area:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image4-3.png)

I think that is 6GO (0) ?

I have my trusty magnifying glass and still can't read it. Is that the same truck that had the writing on the front windshield. saying God will bring Daddy's girl home????


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: lolabelle on March 15, 2009, 02:00:10 AM
::MonkeyTongue:: This one is a better shot of the truck

Same day, at the tatoo shop:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image2-4.jpg)

remember in the video at the tattoo shop when he pulled up his shirt and he had a tat on his back.  could you tell what it said?  i couldn't make it out.  just curious because he wanted the guy to fix it.  not sure what that meant either.

The tatoo said Haleigh. I think Ron wanted some color added to it or something.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 15, 2009, 02:00:32 AM
::MonkeyTongue:: This one is a better shot of the truck

That doesn't look like a new truck to me.  Is it?

Someone with great truck knowledge I believe posted it was a late 90's or early 2000's model

It would be hard to run it with just the first 3 numbers. But in the video of Ron and Misty geting their marriage license I thought they went to an old beat up blue or black truck
More confusion, and great memory there on the old beat up blue/black truck. And what the hell is the "Only God Can Judge Me" means?? I KNOW what it means, but that message sure IMO - doesn't sit well with what is going on in this case. If - God forbid - my child/grandchild were missing and I had not been cleared by LE, no way would I have this statement on my vehicle - but then again, I would never have that statement on my vehicle to begin with. Sorry if I'm rambling!! ::MonkeyWaa::


Darla~you can see all 6 on this photo


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: darla on March 15, 2009, 02:00:53 AM
Is the tag number 9726GO?


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 02:01:35 AM
close up of license plate area:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image4-3.png)

I think that is 6GO (0) ?

I have my trusty magnifying glass and still can't read it. Is that the same truck that had the writing on the front windshield. saying God will bring Daddy's girl home????

Same one


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 02:01:43 AM
::MonkeyTongue:: This one is a better shot of the truck

Same day, at the tatoo shop:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image2-4.jpg)

remember in the video at the tattoo shop when he pulled up his shirt and he had a tat on his back.  could you tell what it said?  i couldn't make it out.  just curious because he wanted the guy to fix it.  not sure what that meant either.

The tatoo said Haleigh. I think Ron wanted some color added to it or something.

So did he already have a tatoo with her name on his back. that was an old one?


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 02:02:23 AM
Is the tag number 9726GO?

Yes it is!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: lolabelle on March 15, 2009, 02:02:36 AM
::MonkeyTongue:: This one is a better shot of the truck

Same day, at the tatoo shop:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image2-4.jpg)

remember in the video at the tattoo shop when he pulled up his shirt and he had a tat on his back.  could you tell what it said?  i couldn't make it out.  just curious because he wanted the guy to fix it.  not sure what that meant either.

The tatoo said Haleigh. I think Ron wanted some color added to it or something.

So did he already have a tatoo with her name on his back. that was an old one?

yes.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 15, 2009, 02:03:09 AM
Is the tag number 9726GO?

not sure if it is a zero or the letter O

I am guessing a zero, myself.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Bud's Girl on March 15, 2009, 02:04:26 AM
Is the tag number 9726GO?

yessum !


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 02:05:02 AM
::MonkeyTongue:: This one is a better shot of the truck

Same day, at the tatoo shop:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image2-4.jpg)

remember in the video at the tattoo shop when he pulled up his shirt and he had a tat on his back.  could you tell what it said?  i couldn't make it out.  just curious because he wanted the guy to fix it.  not sure what that meant either.

The tatoo said Haleigh. I think Ron wanted some color added to it or something.

So did he already have a tatoo with her name on his back. that was an old one?

yes.

thanks.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: darla on March 15, 2009, 02:05:51 AM
Is the tag number 9726GO?

not sure if it is a zero or the letter O

I am guessing a zero, myself.

Are you sure it is a G or could it be another 6? I'll have my son run it after he gets out of church tomorrow morning.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: darla on March 15, 2009, 02:07:56 AM
Ron's face looks fatter on that pic and his head looks like is is almost shaved. It sure looked different on the Today show than this pic.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 15, 2009, 02:07:57 AM
Is the tag number 9726GO?

not sure if it is a zero or the letter O

I am guessing a zero, myself.

Are you sure it is a G or could it be another 6? I'll have my son run it after he gets out of church tomorrow morning.


I am sure it is a G after the 6


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 02:11:51 AM
Uh why are we suppose to take this eyesforlies person seriously? I mean I watched the interview and have watched the utube version x3 and I don't see what she sees.

I mean eflies has no credentials other than a self proclaimed blog stating she is physic but no education or degree in anything. Why is she considered such an expert that I should take seriously.

No one is telling you how you have to see it, we just put it out there......she nails my feeling spot on and not only in this "review" of their actions, but in prior ones~I see exactly what she see.......never heard that she states she is a psychic (I'll go look).

Also, you don't need a degree to be able to read peoples lies, even the cops don't believe Misty and stated she has NOT been ruled out as a suspect



FriedGreenTomatoes, is it the lack of formal credentials with which you take issue?....Rather than the techniques themselves?

I'm not sure if you're suggesting that b/c you are unable to "see" something that it doesn't exist... are you?

Here is some further information; Hope it helps.  :-)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Paul Ekman

The world’s foremost expert on facial expressions and is a professor emeritus of psychology at the University of California-San Francisco School of Medicine. The author of fourteen books, including Emotions Revealed, he lives in northern California.

Dr. Paul Ekman is a psychologist who has been a pioneer in the study of emotions and their relation to facial expressions. Dr. Ekman is considered one of the 100 most eminent psychologists of the twentieth century. Ekman takes a developmental approach, in that the development of human traits and states over time, is the background to his research.

Contrary to the belief of some anthropologists including Margaret Mead, Dr. Ekman found that facial expressions of emotion are not culturally determined, but universal to human culture and thus biological in origin, as Charles Darwin had once hypothesized. Dr. Ekman's finding is now widely accepted by scientists.


Dr. Maureen O'Sullican;

Professor of Psychology, USF  B.S., Fordham University; Ph.D., University of Southern California.

By working with secret service agents, trainers from ATF and LA Sheriffs , Dr. O'Sullivan and her colleagues were able to learn a great deal about how people can effectively use the behavioral clues that signal deception and develop training to help people become better lie detectors.

"We are able to significantly improve someone's ability to recognize microexpressions which are involved in many kinds of lies," Dr. O'Sullivan said.


Dr. O'Sullivan teaches a variety of courses ranging from General Psychology to experimental courses in psychological testing and social psychology as well as a service learning course in which students volunteer at community agencies related to their personal, spiritual and career interests.

Her research addresses questions about human emotion including: emotional intelligence, humor, romantic love, lying and truthfulness, courtesy, and cross-cultural differences in emotional experience and expression. She also studies individual differences in intelligence and expertise.

O’Sullivan, who teaches at the University of San Francisco, discusses her findings at the American Medical Association’s Annual Science Reporters Conference.


Dr. Mark G. Frank

Received his Ph.D. in Social Psychology from Cornell University in 1989. He then received a National Research Service Award from the National Institute of Mental Health to do postdoctoral research in the Psychiatry Department at the University of California at San Francisco Medical School, where he worked with Dr. Paul Ekman.

In 1992, he joined the School of Psychology at the University of New South Wales in Sydney, and 4 years later joined the Communication Department at Rutgers University in New Jersey.
Research is done by showing subjects videotapes of people being questioned in a variety of situations.

Police officers tend to be above average in cases involving crimes but not in emotional situations, while therapists were just the opposite.

The clues aren’t as obvious, but there’s a small group of individuals who can detect the subtle signs that people reveal when they lie.

The vast majority of people don’t notice those flickers of falsehood, but psychology professor, Dr. Maureen O’Sullivan has found a few that can find the fibbers nearly every time.

Of 13,000 people tested by Dr. MAureen o'Sullivan for the ability to detect deception, there 31 who are able to detect deception; and she cautioned that even the best of them is not 100 percent accurate.


(The "Eyes for Lies" blogger is one of them, BTW)

So who is good at detecting lies? In 1999, Dr. Maureen O'Sullivan, Dr. Paul Ekman, professor emeritus of psychology, at the University of California, San Francisco, and Dr. Mark Frank of Rutgers described how well various professions detected lies, and found the greatest accuracy among federal officers, including many from the Company, and then sheriffs who were highly regarded as interrogators by their peers.

It makes sense. Some people, O'Sullivan says, "especially the cops, develop it because they wanted consciously to find out if someone is lying."

(http://whyfiles.org/shorties/162lie_detect/images/lie_dtect_chart.gif)

The Physiology of Facial expression"
http://discovermagazine.com/2005/jan/physiology-of-facial-expressions (http://discovermagazine.com/2005/jan/physiology-of-facial-expressions)

"Dr. Paul Ekman: Catching Liars"
http://www.paulekman.com/ (http://www.paulekman.com/)

"Ask A Scientist"
http://www.askascientistsf.com/pdfs/AskAScientist_10.12.05.pdf (http://www.askascientistsf.com/pdfs/AskAScientist_10.12.05.pdf)

"Scientists say a Rare Few Have the Skill to Detect the Flickers of Falsehood,  "
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6249749/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6249749/)

"Have We been Lying to You?"
http://whyfiles.org/shorties/162lie_detect/ (http://whyfiles.org/shorties/162lie_detect/)




Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Foggy Dew on March 15, 2009, 02:12:24 AM
close up of license plate area:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image4-3.png)

I think that is 6GO (0) ?

I have my trusty magnifying glass and still can't read it. Is that the same truck that had the writing on the front windshield. saying God will bring Daddy's girl home????


It looks like 972 6GO to me--poss 5GO...maybe. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 15, 2009, 02:12:46 AM
Is the tag number 9726GO?

not sure if it is a zero or the letter O

I am guessing a zero, myself.

Are you sure it is a G or could it be another 6? I'll have my son run it after he gets out of church tomorrow morning.


I am sure it is a G after the 6

The damned tag number is running thru my brain, even singing it to myself - time to def get a life!!!! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: darla on March 15, 2009, 02:15:29 AM
Is the tag number 9726GO?

not sure if it is a zero or the letter O

I am guessing a zero, myself.

Are you sure it is a G or could it be another 6? I'll have my son run it after he gets out of church tomorrow morning.


I am sure it is a G after the 6


Thanks Brandi....wish we had gotten this a few hours ago. My son was here about 10 PM to pick up the grands.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 02:16:26 AM
close up of license plate area:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image4-3.png)

I think that is 6GO (0) ?

I have my trusty magnifying glass and still can't read it. Is that the same truck that had the writing on the front windshield. saying God will bring Daddy's girl home????


It looks like 972 6GO to me--poss 5GO...maybe. 

No, it's a 6, I have a Florida tag just like that (different county) the 5's are more defined and open than this photo


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 02:17:40 AM
Uh why are we suppose to take this eyesforlies person seriously? I mean I watched the interview and have watched the utube version x3 and I don't see what she sees.

I mean eflies has no credentials other than a self proclaimed blog stating she is physic but no education or degree in anything. Why is she considered such an expert that I should take seriously.

No one is telling you how you have to see it, we just put it out there......she nails my feeling spot on and not only in this "review" of their actions, but in prior ones~I see exactly what she see.......never heard that she states she is a psychic (I'll go look).

Also, you don't need a degree to be able to read peoples lies, even the cops don't believe Misty and stated she has NOT been ruled out as a suspect



FriedGreenTomatoes, is it the lack of formal credentials with which you take issue?....Rather than the techniques themselves?

I'm not sure if you're suggesting that b/c you are unable to "see" something that it doesn't exist... are you?

Here is some further information; Hope it helps.  :-)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Paul Ekman

The world’s foremost expert on facial expressions and is a professor emeritus of psychology at the University of California-San Francisco School of Medicine. The author of fourteen books, including Emotions Revealed, he lives in northern California.

Dr. Paul Ekman is a psychologist who has been a pioneer in the study of emotions and their relation to facial expressions. Dr. Ekman is considered one of the 100 most eminent psychologists of the twentieth century. Ekman takes a developmental approach, in that the development of human traits and states over time, is the background to his research.

Contrary to the belief of some anthropologists including Margaret Mead, Dr. Ekman found that facial expressions of emotion are not culturally determined, but universal to human culture and thus biological in origin, as Charles Darwin had once hypothesized. Dr. Ekman's finding is now widely accepted by scientists.


Dr. Maureen O'Sullican;

Professor of Psychology, USF  B.S., Fordham University; Ph.D., University of Southern California.

By working with secret service agents, trainers from ATF and LA Sheriffs , Dr. O'Sullivan and her colleagues were able to learn a great deal about how people can effectively use the behavioral clues that signal deception and develop training to help people become better lie detectors.

"We are able to significantly improve someone's ability to recognize microexpressions which are involved in many kinds of lies," Dr. O'Sullivan said.


Dr. O'Sullivan teaches a variety of courses ranging from General Psychology to experimental courses in psychological testing and social psychology as well as a service learning course in which students volunteer at community agencies related to their personal, spiritual and career interests.

Her research addresses questions about human emotion including: emotional intelligence, humor, romantic love, lying and truthfulness, courtesy, and cross-cultural differences in emotional experience and expression. She also studies individual differences in intelligence and expertise.

O’Sullivan, who teaches at the University of San Francisco, discusses her findings at the American Medical Association’s Annual Science Reporters Conference.


Dr. Mark G. Frank

Received his Ph.D. in Social Psychology from Cornell University in 1989. He then received a National Research Service Award from the National Institute of Mental Health to do postdoctoral research in the Psychiatry Department at the University of California at San Francisco Medical School, where he worked with Dr. Paul Ekman.

In 1992, he joined the School of Psychology at the University of New South Wales in Sydney, and 4 years later joined the Communication Department at Rutgers University in New Jersey.
Research is done by showing subjects videotapes of people being questioned in a variety of situations.

Police officers tend to be above average in cases involving crimes but not in emotional situations, while therapists were just the opposite.

The clues aren’t as obvious, but there’s a small group of individuals who can detect the subtle signs that people reveal when they lie.

The vast majority of people don’t notice those flickers of falsehood, but psychology professor, Dr. Maureen O’Sullivan has found a few that can find the fibbers nearly every time.

Of 13,000 people tested by Dr. MAureen o'Sullivan for the ability to detect deception, there 31 who are able to detect deception; and she cautioned that even the best of them is not 100 percent accurate.


(The "Eyes for Lies" blogger is one of them, BTW)

So who is good at detecting lies? In 1999, Dr. Maureen O'Sullivan, Dr. Paul Ekman, professor emeritus of psychology, at the University of California, San Francisco, and Dr. Mark Frank of Rutgers described how well various professions detected lies, and found the greatest accuracy among federal officers, including many from the Company, and then sheriffs who were highly regarded as interrogators by their peers.

It makes sense. Some people, O'Sullivan says, "especially the cops, develop it because they wanted consciously to find out if someone is lying."

(http://whyfiles.org/shorties/162lie_detect/images/lie_dtect_chart.gif)

The Physiology of Facial expression"
http://discovermagazine.com/2005/jan/physiology-of-facial-expressions (http://discovermagazine.com/2005/jan/physiology-of-facial-expressions)

"Dr. Paul Ekman: Catching Liars"
http://www.paulekman.com/ (http://www.paulekman.com/)

"Ask A Scientist"
http://www.askascientistsf.com/pdfs/AskAScientist_10.12.05.pdf (http://www.askascientistsf.com/pdfs/AskAScientist_10.12.05.pdf)

"Scientists say a Rare Few Have the Skill to Detect the Flickers of Falsehood,  "
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6249749/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6249749/)

"Have We been Lying to You?"
http://whyfiles.org/shorties/162lie_detect/ (http://whyfiles.org/shorties/162lie_detect/)




Thanks Rana~nice research ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 02:18:33 AM
close up of license plate area:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image4-3.png)

I think that is 6GO (0) ?

I have my trusty magnifying glass and still can't read it. Is that the same truck that had the writing on the front windshield. saying God will bring Daddy's girl home????


It looks like 972 6GO to me--poss 5GO...maybe. 

No, it's a 6, I have a Florida tag just like that (different county) the 5's are more defined and open than this photo

tell me again why are they running the tags. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 15, 2009, 02:22:08 AM
close up of license plate area:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image4-3.png)

I think that is 6GO (0) ?

I have my trusty magnifying glass and still can't read it. Is that the same truck that had the writing on the front windshield. saying God will bring Daddy's girl home????


It looks like 972 6GO to me--poss 5GO...maybe. 

No, it's a 6, I have a Florida tag just like that (different county) the 5's are more defined and open than this photo

tell me again why are they running the tags. 
Why NOT??? Want to see if this truck belongs to Ron, when it was registered to him, IF it's registered to him. If it was registered to him since 02/10/09. I want to know where all these donations are going.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Foggy Dew on March 15, 2009, 02:27:06 AM
close up of license plate area:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image4-3.png)

I think that is 6GO (0) ?

I have my trusty magnifying glass and still can't read it. Is that the same truck that had the writing on the front windshield. saying God will bring Daddy's girl home????

Darla, its a safe bet your son'll know the alpha/numeric pattern that FL runs on its truck plates which'll help determine whether a 6 is in fact a "G", a zero is an "O" and so on. 

Now if we could just get a chopper overhead to shoot us an image of the VIN through the windshield.  Hmm... :2thinky:  J/K

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: darla on March 15, 2009, 02:27:13 AM
Can one of you smart monkeys get a still shot from the courthouse video of the truck that they were going to????Trust me you do not want me messing with a picture.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 02:36:00 AM
close up of license plate area:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image4-3.png)

I think that is 6GO (0) ?

I have my trusty magnifying glass and still can't read it. Is that the same truck that had the writing on the front windshield. saying God will bring Daddy's girl home????


It looks like 972 6GO to me--poss 5GO...maybe. 

No, it's a 6, I have a Florida tag just like that (different county) the 5's are more defined and open than this photo

tell me again why are they running the tags. 
Why NOT??? Want to see if this truck belongs to Ron, when it was registered to him, IF it's registered to him. If it was registered to him since 02/10/09. I want to know where all these donations are going.

good idea about the donations.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 15, 2009, 02:36:50 AM
I just have this sick feeling that little Haleigh is wrapped in a blanket and is either in woods on Ron's way to work or in the river. I do not trust momma Teresa. The blanket  in the van "they took" is driving me nuts. When that statement was made LE had not took anything.
I think she is talking about the van that her Cousin had borrowed from someone when he had came over!

I agree.  so does that mean she went with him when he borrowed the van?  and who was she partying with supposedly for 3 days.

I found this off of the comments in true crime report, comments secton:

nycestgirlevr said:
Ok for starters I never heard that her stuff was left in the house. Where do you get your information?
Anyhow I have actually spoken to a family member of Haleighs family, her mothers side of the family. And this is the new information I was given and it was directly from a family member of Haleighs. The vehicle they have is the van Misty was driving on Monday Feb.9th. The van had a new scratch that everyone is curious about also. The other thing I was told about Misty was that she was "missing" all weekend until Monday the 9th when Ronald found her and drug her back home. He did not get Haleigh off the bus the other parents at the bus stop said it was Misty in the van the police still have here in Jacksonville. And lastly the neighbor a single white older male moved after Haleigh went missing. This is what I know as of now. Lets get this out there people incase Haleigh is still alive. Oh also the dogs actually followed Haleigh and Mistys scent to the St. Johns river and it stopped there period and this ifno comes strait from Haleigh Cummings family!



Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 15, 2009, 02:52:05 AM
I just have this sick feeling that little Haleigh is wrapped in a blanket and is either in woods on Ron's way to work or in the river. I do not trust momma Teresa. The blanket  in the van "they took" is driving me nuts. When that statement was made LE had not took anything.
I think she is talking about the van that her Cousin had borrowed from someone when he had came over!

I agree.  so does that mean she went with him when he borrowed the van?  and who was she partying with supposedly for 3 days.

I found this off of the comments in true crime report, comments secton:

nycestgirlevr said:
Ok for starters I never heard that her stuff was left in the house. Where do you get your information?
Anyhow I have actually spoken to a family member of Haleighs family, her mothers side of the family. And this is the new information I was given and it was directly from a family member of Haleighs. The vehicle they have is the van Misty was driving on Monday Feb.9th. The van had a new scratch that everyone is curious about also. The other thing I was told about Misty was that she was "missing" all weekend until Monday the 9th when Ronald found her and drug her back home. He did not get Haleigh off the bus the other parents at the bus stop said it was Misty in the van the police still have here in Jacksonville. And lastly the neighbor a single white older male moved after Haleigh went missing. This is what I know as of now. Lets get this out there people incase Haleigh is still alive. Oh also the dogs actually followed Haleigh and Mistys scent to the St. Johns river and it stopped there period and this ifno comes strait from Haleigh Cummings family!


When was that written? I was reading their blog but didn't see that on there. Do you have a direct link????


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 02:54:49 AM
I just have this sick feeling that little Haleigh is wrapped in a blanket and is either in woods on Ron's way to work or in the river. I do not trust momma Teresa. The blanket  in the van "they took" is driving me nuts. When that statement was made LE had not took anything.
I think she is talking about the van that her Cousin had borrowed from someone when he had came over!

I agree.  so does that mean she went with him when he borrowed the van?  and who was she partying with supposedly for 3 days.

I found this off of the comments in true crime report, comments secton:

nycestgirlevr said:
Ok for starters I never heard that her stuff was left in the house. Where do you get your information?
Anyhow I have actually spoken to a family member of Haleighs family, her mothers side of the family. And this is the new information I was given and it was directly from a family member of Haleighs. The vehicle they have is the van Misty was driving on Monday Feb.9th. The van had a new scratch that everyone is curious about also. The other thing I was told about Misty was that she was "missing" all weekend until Monday the 9th when Ronald found her and drug her back home. He did not get Haleigh off the bus the other parents at the bus stop said it was Misty in the van the police still have here in Jacksonville. And lastly the neighbor a single white older male moved after Haleigh went missing. This is what I know as of now. Lets get this out there people incase Haleigh is still alive. Oh also the dogs actually followed Haleigh and Mistys scent to the St. Johns river and it stopped there period and this ifno comes strait from Haleigh Cummings family!


When was that written? I was reading their blog but didn't see that on there. Do you have a direct link????

Doesn't Misty's brother drive a van????


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 15, 2009, 02:58:11 AM
I just have this sick feeling that little Haleigh is wrapped in a blanket and is either in woods on Ron's way to work or in the river. I do not trust momma Teresa. The blanket  in the van "they took" is driving me nuts. When that statement was made LE had not took anything.
I think she is talking about the van that her Cousin had borrowed from someone when he had came over!

I agree.  so does that mean she went with him when he borrowed the van?  and who was she partying with supposedly for 3 days.

I found this off of the comments in true crime report, comments secton:

nycestgirlevr said:
Ok for starters I never heard that her stuff was left in the house. Where do you get your information?
Anyhow I have actually spoken to a family member of Haleighs family, her mothers side of the family. And this is the new information I was given and it was directly from a family member of Haleighs. The vehicle they have is the van Misty was driving on Monday Feb.9th. The van had a new scratch that everyone is curious about also. The other thing I was told about Misty was that she was "missing" all weekend until Monday the 9th when Ronald found her and drug her back home. He did not get Haleigh off the bus the other parents at the bus stop said it was Misty in the van the police still have here in Jacksonville. And lastly the neighbor a single white older male moved after Haleigh went missing. This is what I know as of now. Lets get this out there people incase Haleigh is still alive. Oh also the dogs actually followed Haleigh and Mistys scent to the St. Johns river and it stopped there period and this ifno comes strait from Haleigh Cummings family!


When was that written? I was reading their blog but didn't see that on there. Do you have a direct link????

it was posted on 03/07/2009 at 12:38 pm
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/02/missing_in_florida_haleigh_cum.php


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 03:00:44 AM
I just have this sick feeling that little Haleigh is wrapped in a blanket and is either in woods on Ron's way to work or in the river. I do not trust momma Teresa. The blanket  in the van "they took" is driving me nuts. When that statement was made LE had not took anything.
I think she is talking about the van that her Cousin had borrowed from someone when he had came over!

I agree.  so does that mean she went with him when he borrowed the van?  and who was she partying with supposedly for 3 days.

I found this off of the comments in true crime report, comments secton:

nycestgirlevr said:
Ok for starters I never heard that her stuff was left in the house. Where do you get your information?
Anyhow I have actually spoken to a family member of Haleighs family, her mothers side of the family. And this is the new information I was given and it was directly from a family member of Haleighs. The vehicle they have is the van Misty was driving on Monday Feb.9th. The van had a new scratch that everyone is curious about also. The other thing I was told about Misty was that she was "missing" all weekend until Monday the 9th when Ronald found her and drug her back home. He did not get Haleigh off the bus the other parents at the bus stop said it was Misty in the van the police still have here in Jacksonville. And lastly the neighbor a single white older male moved after Haleigh went missing. This is what I know as of now. Lets get this out there people incase Haleigh is still alive. Oh also the dogs actually followed Haleigh and Mistys scent to the St. Johns river and it stopped there period and this ifno comes strait from Haleigh Cummings family!


When was that written? I was reading their blog but didn't see that on there. Do you have a direct link????

it was posted on 03/07/2009 at 12:38 pm
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/02/missing_in_florida_haleigh_cum.php

I can call Marie and find out, I usually don't ask questions about the case as I only offer my prayers and financial help, but I can make an exception ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Mudder on March 15, 2009, 03:01:03 AM
With all the high praises that TN has for Misty, I have a problem with her wording of,
she had a family member 'check' on them.  If she thought Misty capable, why is she
checking?

And, the story about the cousin taking the van, has anyone other than Misty said that?


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 15, 2009, 03:07:39 AM
I just have this sick feeling that little Haleigh is wrapped in a blanket and is either in woods on Ron's way to work or in the river. I do not trust momma Teresa. The blanket  in the van "they took" is driving me nuts. When that statement was made LE had not took anything.
I think she is talking about the van that her Cousin had borrowed from someone when he had came over!


I agree.  so does that mean she went with him when he borrowed the van?  and who was she partying with supposedly for 3 days.

I found this off of the comments in true crime report, comments secton:

nycestgirlevr said:
Ok for starters I never heard that her stuff was left in the house. Where do you get your information?
Anyhow I have actually spoken to a family member of Haleighs family, her mothers side of the family. And this is the new information I was given and it was directly from a family member of Haleighs. The vehicle they have is the van Misty was driving on Monday Feb.9th. The van had a new scratch that everyone is curious about also. The other thing I was told about Misty was that she was "missing" all weekend until Monday the 9th when Ronald found her and drug her back home. He did not get Haleigh off the bus the other parents at the bus stop said it was Misty in the van the police still have here in Jacksonville. And lastly the neighbor a single white older male moved after Haleigh went missing. This is what I know as of now. Lets get this out there people incase Haleigh is still alive. Oh also the dogs actually followed Haleigh and Mistys scent to the St. Johns river and it stopped there period and this ifno comes strait from Haleigh Cummings family!


When was that written? I was reading their blog but didn't see that on there. Do you have a direct link????

It was posted on 03/07/2009 12:38 pm
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/02/missing_in_florida_haleigh_cum.php


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 03:09:44 AM
With all the high praises that TN has for Misty, I have a problem with her wording of,
she had a family member 'check' on them.  If she thought Misty capable, why is she
checking?

And, the story about the cousin taking the van, has anyone other than Misty said that?


Not that I've heard........and LE cleared him early on and then when Misty's dad went to LE this week, they said they'd look at him again, I wonder if Misty throwing him under the bus.....


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 15, 2009, 03:10:30 AM
sorry didnt mean to send this twice my computer kicked me out and I didnt think it went thru.. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: darla on March 15, 2009, 03:21:15 AM
My computer is going crazy...so I am going to bed. Island do you know how to pull up links for the courthouse video last Monday? I want to try to get the tag number off the dark colored truck so I can get both run at one time.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 03:23:29 AM
I'm not posting this below to be be gross, altho I could use some Pepto, but the poster mentions the area close by as having significance. I was wondering the same thing when Ron refused to stay at his mom's home or anyone else's home close by. Mrs. Neves lives about 12 mile away.

I know he gave a reason of feeling sentimental and wanting to stay close, but he seemed creepy when he said it -- like he really wanted to stay close b/c if he were miles away he wouldn't know if someone else were getting too close.

I know that's a stretch, but it crossed my mind. And I don't know if this post is true anyway, so I wanted to ask you guys. Did they move yet? Out of the tent? Or out of the moblie home?  And did Ron leave Haleigh's things there?? No way! ?? Then the poster below  goes into a horrific septic tank theory.
________________________________________________________

TRUE CRIME REPORT Missing in Florida: Haleigh Cummings, Age 5
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/02/missing_in_florida_haleigh_cum.php (http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/02/missing_in_florida_haleigh_cum.php)

Below poster AMC said:     Posted 03/05/2009 at 11:32:37 AM

"When I heard they left Haleigh's things in the house when they moved, I got a cold chill. If my child were missing, I would take every piece of her existence with me, for rememberance if anything.

"My theory is that they left those there in memorium (like we leave things on our loved ones' gravesites), which makes me think her body is somewhere near that trailer... if not under it. Then I thought of septic tanks, not old ones...but ones in use. I recently had my septic tank pumped out, and the man that was doing it mentioned a house he just did, where the owner left the lid off in lieu of them coming to pump, and her dog fell in. She was looking for the dog when they came and pumped out the septic. Her dog was in it but it looked like it had been in it longer than a few days. He said, active septic systems have caustic acids, chemicals and bacteria that break down the waste, it doesn't take long for a body to decompose beyond recognition...and any evidence long lost. DNA is all mixed up too, the longer one sits in that muck. Cadaver dogs won't be able to diferentiate between sewage and a dead body because it's all dead flesh in one way or another. Sorry for the forensic Quincy rant... I hope it's not the case, but them leaving her stuff and moving away just adds another fish to the mix of fishiness to this case."





Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 03:24:11 AM
Well.. this won't make me very popular, just feel like it needs to be said.  Hopefully it won't offend too many folks. 

One concern is the running of the license plate by a blogger's LE family member to satisfy the curiousity of bloggers.  This to me is an invasion of privacy that isn't necessary.  We as bloggers on the net can sleuth things out from info already available to the public.  And of course, whatever info LE already involved with this case, releases to us.  But that's my opinion, for what it's worth. 

Another concern is that in another case a similiar thing happened, LE family member ran plates, and got into trouble at work for doing personal business on company time as well as using company equipment.  Wouldn't want for that to happen to someone else, if they hadn't thought it thru. 
 
Not trying to get on a high horse.  Just expressing some concerns. 
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 03:29:32 AM
Another CLint Van Zandt  (former FBI profiler) article............I love his take on things :


Teenager weds Father of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings

Misty and Ron Cummings on NBC's Today Show
In a wedding not made in heaven, at least one that their local pastor at Dunns Creek Baptist Church refused to sanction in his church because of his disagreement with the proposed relationship, Ronald Cummings (25) married his current teen-age girlfriend, Misty Croslin (17), after becoming engaged just four days earlier. Evidently Misty is but one of a number of Ron’s believed recent underage girlfriends.

A notary public preformed the back yard marriage that took place while over 100 Florida area law enforcement officers continued their search for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings. The child has not been seen since the evening of February 9-10, 2009, when Misty allegedly noticed the little girl was not on her mattress on the floor a few feet away from the bed then shared by Misty and Ron Cummings’ son, Ron, Jr.

Appearing on NBC's ‘The Today Show’ Friday morning, evidently the genesis of their honeymoon trip to New York City, the couple told Today’s Meredith Vieira that they had both passed polygraph tests concerning the disappearance of Haleigh (for those true believers in polygraphs, see my article "Do Lie Detectors Lie? at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7992482/). Misty, however, was unable to explain the changes and inconsistencies in her story of the morning Haleigh disappeared. Her latest version suggests as follows:

"Misty had put Haleigh to bed at 8 o’clock. She then washed ther blankets, and after that was done, she put Haleigh's blanket over her. "She was sleeping when I put her blanket on her," said Misty. "She was in her bed, and it was about 10 o’clock. I finally laid down and went to sleep. I woke up at 3. I got up to use the bathroom, and I noticed the kitchen light was on. I walked through the kitchen, and that’s when I noticed the back door was open. So I run back to my bedroom to get my phone to call Ronald. That’s when I noticed Haleigh was gone.”

New husband Ron, the man who had previously referred to Misty as his “dumb ***** girlfriend,” appeared overly smug when he said he didn’t know what happened to his daughter as, “I was at work,” grinning over what he appeared to believe was the perfect alibi. As far as the focus on him and the new Mrs. Cummings, he said "nobody's business what I do with my personal life." I would be very glad to disagree with him on this fact were it to be determined that children in his home, to include Haleigh and Ron Jr., had being abused by the occupants of that trailer.

Investigators continue to question Misty’s version of what happened the night Haleigh disappeared and Misty, for her part, has walked out of law enforcement interviews when she considered their questions to be rude. As indicated in my initial Newsvine review of this case (http://clintvanzandt.newsvine.com/_news/2009/02/16/2441536-update-teenage-caretaker-of-missing-5-year-old-florida-girl-says-i-didnt-do-it), Ron Cummings and the biological mother of both Haleigh and Ron, Jr., were involved in a custody battle concerning their two children at the time of Haleigh’s disappearance.

Meanwhile investigators continue to consider at least four explanations for the disappearance of the little girl who was afraid of the dark, to include: being kidnapped by an unknown child predator (all such known individuals in the local area have been identified and accounted for); a mistaken kidnapping related to the residents who had recently moved from the trailer home (a local pastor and his family, therefore unlikely); she was kidnapped to punish Ronald Cummings due to a personal vendetta with another (he has been involved in drugs and a drug related kidnapping would not, unfortunately, be unusual); she was kidnapped by someone known to Ronald and Misty, perhaps a friend or relative who had recently visited the home (while this has been explored, no known strong suspect continues to capture law enforcement interest); or she died of injuries sustained in the home and the report of her suspected kidnapping is a cover-up to hide the actual reason for her absence from the home.

Evidently Misty has not heard Oprah discuss the alleged beating sustained by pop star Rihanna (real name Robyn Fenty) at the hands of her boyfriend Chris Brown, this when Oprah rightfully said love should not hurt you and “if he hits you once, he’ll hit you again.” Ron Cummings has allegedly been angry and physically abusive toward the mother of missing Haleigh and Florida Department of Children and Family Services have investigated the current Cummings home. Meanwhile the reward for information concerning the missing girl has risen to $35,000. Ron Cummings appears to refute the story allegedly told by his son that a mysterious man dressed in black had stolen Haleigh, suggesting that story had been made up by his the boy's mom and Fox News personality Geraldo Rivera, the latter of whom Cummings had previously excluded from his property due to a conflict between the two.

When asked why he had married Misty, I expected Cummings to say something that included a statement of his love for his teenage bride, but he only said that (marriage) was what Haleigh would have wanted. Noting that he has allegedly been through a number of teenage girlfriends, Misty would be wise to listen to the pastor who cautioned against the wedding and Oprah’s wise advice. And why now, you must ask yourself; why engaged and then married a few days later? Most know that a wife and husband cannot be compelled to testify against each other. Could this marriage be one of legal convenience, even legal necessity for one or both of the newlyweds? Or could marriage be "part of the deal" for Misty? We just don't know.

Due to her age, Misty’s parents had to provide their legal consent to the marriage and now the honeymooners are enjoying New York City as investigators look through the swamps of Florida for the missing child. Something just doesn’t make sense here, but there is always some type of logic and reason in chaos. Meanwhile Ron Cummings continues to have that smug look on his face that appears to suggest he knows something we don’t, and at this point, he may just be correct.

COMMENTS


Clint Van ZandtKim,

I am sorry for your loss. Who better than you could suggest how someone would "normally" respond to the loss of their child. My experience investigating kidnappings is that I usually encountered parents like you and your husband, couples that were shell shocked when their child was first kidnapped, and were afraid to even leave their home for lunch for fear their child would call or somehow show up and they not be there to greet their missing child.

While no one can suggest what the behavior of another should be, there are certain standards of response that are normal and what we see from Ron and his new bride do not fit that known standard.

Regards,

CVZ
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AngellicaI really think that the --------> BLANKET (s)<-------------- in the story are key to this case!

Some things that seem inappropriate:


a wedding/honeymoon when your child is missing!!
the blanket(s) story; can not seem to get it right....
odd body language during interview; (watch their hand, eye and leg movements)
Ronald and Misty's flat affect (lack of emotion)....you just were just married... right???
lack of eye contact; shifting eye movement


*** After watching the Interview on the Today's Show, the 'vibe' that I got from both of them was not good.......they 'both' seem guilty! Ronald looks like he could 'snap' really easy seems to have a underlying temper for sure! I get creeped out everytime I watch an interview with the two of them. Misty seems to me like she is very scared of what Ronald could potenially do to her and is being forced to comply with whatever he tells her to do....

I just do not get a good 'vibe' from either of them at all...

Time will tell....poor little Haleigh~

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 It are good insincts like yours that keep you safe and life and help investigators solve cases. Misty looks like a scared little kid under the control of a tryant.

Best,

CVZ
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Bob MilerJust a random thought.

If the father was at work he obviously clocked out or was seen leaving and the Police know when the call came and how long it took to get home. So if they called Police right when he got home that doesn't leave much time for him to be involved in anything does it?

I definetly believe something fishy but also believe the Police know what it is.
,

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Correct unless whatever happened, happened before he went to work and Misty was told to wait until the end of his work shift to call police. When the missing child was last seen by anyone other than the "two adults" in the home would be important, plus any physical evidence from the father's vehicle to suggest any side type trip, one that would be off the beaten path that he traveled back and forth to work. It is a time line that police need for the lask known 24 hours in the victim's life that would help resolve the case.

Best,

CVZ
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AAraozAnalysing this story and being a mother of four, a wedding celebration or any other kind of celebration would be something out of the norm, completely and utterly absurd for a parent who has recently lost a child and the entire town is in search of his daughter. That is a hell of chance to take hypothetically speaking if they were to find his daughter, what good is he in NY or if they were to find her period? All roads in my mind point to this odd wedding I truly believe is a front for something more cynical and dark. The only celebration acceptable for a parent in this unfortunate situation is for this little girl to be found. Then and only then would a Celebration be justified.

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Mary and other reasonable readers,

The most absurd part of this in Ron and Misty's belief that they could marry and fly off to NYC and it wouldn't point the finger at them. The combination of stupidity and arrogance is overwhelming!  ::MonkeyTongue::

CVZ




Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: darla on March 15, 2009, 03:30:30 AM
Well.. this won't make me very popular, just feel like it needs to be said.  Hopefully it won't offend too many folks. 

One concern is the running of the license plate by a blogger's LE family member to satisfy the curiousity of bloggers.  This to me is an invasion of privacy that isn't necessary.  We as bloggers on the net can sleuth things out from info already available to the public.  And of course, whatever info LE already involved with this case, releases to us.  But that's my opinion, for what it's worth. 

Another concern is that in another case a similiar thing happened, LE family member ran plates, and got into trouble at work for doing personal business on company time as well as using company equipment.  Wouldn't want for that to happen to someone else, if they hadn't thought it thru. 
 
Not trying to get on a high horse.  Just expressing some concerns. 
 

Thanks Wyks. had not thought of that. I'll let it go.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 15, 2009, 03:31:52 AM
I'm not posting this below to be be gross, altho I could use some Pepto, but the poster mentions the area close by as having significance. I was wondering the same thing when Ron refused to stay at his mom's home or anyone else's home close by. Mrs. Neves lives about 12 mile away.

I know he gave a reason of feeling sentimental and wanting to stay close, but he seemed creepy when he said it -- like he really wanted to stay close b/c if he were miles away he wouldn't know if someone else were getting too close.

I know that's a stretch, but it crossed my mind. And I don't know if this post is true anyway, so I wanted to ask you guys. Did they move yet? Out of the tent? Or out of the moblie home?  And did Ron leave Haleigh's things there?? No way! ?? Then the poster below  goes into a horrific septic tank theory.
________________________________________________________

TRUE CRIME REPORT Missing in Florida: Haleigh Cummings, Age 5
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/02/missing_in_florida_haleigh_cum.php (http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/02/missing_in_florida_haleigh_cum.php)

Below poster AMC said:     Posted 03/05/2009 at 11:32:37 AM

"When I heard they left Haleigh's things in the house when they moved, I got a cold chill. If my child were missing, I would take every piece of her existence with me, for rememberance if anything.

"My theory is that they left those there in memorium (like we leave things on our loved ones' gravesites), which makes me think her body is somewhere near that trailer... if not under it. Then I thought of septic tanks, not old ones...but ones in use. I recently had my septic tank pumped out, and the man that was doing it mentioned a house he just did, where the owner left the lid off in lieu of them coming to pump, and her dog fell in. She was looking for the dog when they came and pumped out the septic. Her dog was in it but it looked like it had been in it longer than a few days. He said, active septic systems have caustic acids, chemicals and bacteria that break down the waste, it doesn't take long for a body to decompose beyond recognition...and any evidence long lost. DNA is all mixed up too, the longer one sits in that muck. Cadaver dogs won't be able to diferentiate between sewage and a dead body because it's all dead flesh in one way or another. Sorry for the forensic Quincy rant... I hope it's not the case, but them leaving her stuff and moving away just adds another fish to the mix of fishiness to this case."






look very closely at the today show video right about 7:11 point and look at misty left arm she nuges ron like help me out here.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/29674806#29674806


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 03:31:56 AM
My computer is going crazy...so I am going to bed. Island do you know how to pull up links for the courthouse video last Monday? I want to try to get the tag number off the dark colored truck so I can get both run at one time.

I can pull up the link, but I can't do screen captures........also, IIRC I don't remember him actually getting into a truck in that video?


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Idgie on March 15, 2009, 03:37:28 AM
Uh why are we suppose to take this eyesforlies person seriously? I mean I watched the interview and have watched the utube version x3 and I don't see what she sees.

I mean eflies has no credentials other than a self proclaimed blog stating she is physic but no education or degree in anything. Why is she considered such an expert that I should take seriously.

No one is telling you how you have to see it, we just put it out there......she nails my feeling spot on and not only in this "review" of their actions, but in prior ones~I see exactly what she see.......never heard that she states she is a psychic (I'll go look).

Also, you don't need a degree to be able to read peoples lies, even the cops don't believe Misty and stated she has NOT been ruled out as a suspect



FriedGreenTomatoes, is it the lack of formal credentials with which you take issue?....Rather than the techniques themselves?

I'm not sure if you're suggesting that b/c you are unable to "see" something that it doesn't exist... are you?

Here is some further information; Hope it helps.  :-)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Paul Ekman

The world’s foremost expert on facial expressions and is a professor emeritus of psychology at the University of California-San Francisco School of Medicine. The author of fourteen books, including Emotions Revealed, he lives in northern California.

Dr. Paul Ekman is a psychologist who has been a pioneer in the study of emotions and their relation to facial expressions. Dr. Ekman is considered one of the 100 most eminent psychologists of the twentieth century. Ekman takes a developmental approach, in that the development of human traits and states over time, is the background to his research.

Contrary to the belief of some anthropologists including Margaret Mead, Dr. Ekman found that facial expressions of emotion are not culturally determined, but universal to human culture and thus biological in origin, as Charles Darwin had once hypothesized. Dr. Ekman's finding is now widely accepted by scientists.


Dr. Maureen O'Sullican;

Professor of Psychology, USF  B.S., Fordham University; Ph.D., University of Southern California.

By working with secret service agents, trainers from ATF and LA Sheriffs , Dr. O'Sullivan and her colleagues were able to learn a great deal about how people can effectively use the behavioral clues that signal deception and develop training to help people become better lie detectors.

"We are able to significantly improve someone's ability to recognize microexpressions which are involved in many kinds of lies," Dr. O'Sullivan said.


Dr. O'Sullivan teaches a variety of courses ranging from General Psychology to experimental courses in psychological testing and social psychology as well as a service learning course in which students volunteer at community agencies related to their personal, spiritual and career interests.

Her research addresses questions about human emotion including: emotional intelligence, humor, romantic love, lying and truthfulness, courtesy, and cross-cultural differences in emotional experience and expression. She also studies individual differences in intelligence and expertise.

O’Sullivan, who teaches at the University of San Francisco, discusses her findings at the American Medical Association’s Annual Science Reporters Conference.


Dr. Mark G. Frank

Received his Ph.D. in Social Psychology from Cornell University in 1989. He then received a National Research Service Award from the National Institute of Mental Health to do postdoctoral research in the Psychiatry Department at the University of California at San Francisco Medical School, where he worked with Dr. Paul Ekman.

In 1992, he joined the School of Psychology at the University of New South Wales in Sydney, and 4 years later joined the Communication Department at Rutgers University in New Jersey.
Research is done by showing subjects videotapes of people being questioned in a variety of situations.

Police officers tend to be above average in cases involving crimes but not in emotional situations, while therapists were just the opposite.

The clues aren’t as obvious, but there’s a small group of individuals who can detect the subtle signs that people reveal when they lie.

The vast majority of people don’t notice those flickers of falsehood, but psychology professor, Dr. Maureen O’Sullivan has found a few that can find the fibbers nearly every time.

Of 13,000 people tested by Dr. MAureen o'Sullivan for the ability to detect deception, there 31 who are able to detect deception; and she cautioned that even the best of them is not 100 percent accurate.


(The "Eyes for Lies" blogger is one of them, BTW)

So who is good at detecting lies? In 1999, Dr. Maureen O'Sullivan, Dr. Paul Ekman, professor emeritus of psychology, at the University of California, San Francisco, and Dr. Mark Frank of Rutgers described how well various professions detected lies, and found the greatest accuracy among federal officers, including many from the Company, and then sheriffs who were highly regarded as interrogators by their peers.

It makes sense. Some people, O'Sullivan says, "especially the cops, develop it because they wanted consciously to find out if someone is lying."

(http://whyfiles.org/shorties/162lie_detect/images/lie_dtect_chart.gif)

The Physiology of Facial expression"
http://discovermagazine.com/2005/jan/physiology-of-facial-expressions (http://discovermagazine.com/2005/jan/physiology-of-facial-expressions)

"Dr. Paul Ekman: Catching Liars"
http://www.paulekman.com/ (http://www.paulekman.com/)

"Ask A Scientist"
http://www.askascientistsf.com/pdfs/AskAScientist_10.12.05.pdf (http://www.askascientistsf.com/pdfs/AskAScientist_10.12.05.pdf)

"Scientists say a Rare Few Have the Skill to Detect the Flickers of Falsehood,  "
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6249749/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6249749/)

"Have We been Lying to You?"
http://whyfiles.org/shorties/162lie_detect/ (http://whyfiles.org/shorties/162lie_detect/)




Sorry but I do not believe the eyesforlies lady has a special gift and is an expert. She seems to be a self proclaimed expert. That is just my opinion and simply do not trust her judgment more than I trust my own.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 03:43:06 AM
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I always go back and review CVZ's comment sections.......now, take it for what it's worth, but this guy says he's local~if this is true, I'll drive down there myself and bitch slap Misty and have Cobra handle Ron:


formerdcfinvestigator

The moto of the dcf office in palatka that would have handled this case is see no evil, hear no evil, document no evil. Where I worked investigations in Volusia County things were better with some good directors and supervisors and dedicated workers but their were also workers who would be on call and falsify going to a home my trainer and myself discovered one of these instances (it was a sex abuse allegation which is supposed to be investigated within a matter of hours ---but going to the door and leaving a card can count as starting it ---I was absolutely furious and later got reprimanded for making such a big deal out of it. That worker worked at the least another month before she was gone. I still don't know if she quit or was fired.

When I think of the worst cases which I saw the worst ones always seem to have a piss soaked mattress that they sleep on. Where are the childrens toys lack of any was also consistent in these cases. Potty training is an extremely dangers time for children and a paramours have a trend of being the perpetrator of some of the most violent abuse. This child was also cared for by another extremely high risk person someone 25 and younger.

I now teach at the nearest high school to this incident and several of the students are related to her and they have all told me that they think it was them or her. One told me "everyone knew she hated Haliegh.....she was putting her fingers in boiling water......." Ronald was known to hang out at some kind of local motorcycle gang, a known drug addict apparently with an extensive criminal history.  


You might say to yourself "Why would dcf place a child there?" I couldn't tell you but the local judge makes the final decision....however, once while investigating a backlog case from a worker who left the agency I found a twelve yoa boy that had been placed in a home with a registerd sex offender. When I spoke to the supervisor I was told that he could have contact with children if his probation allowed it. DCF placed that child there with an open case unreal. I resubmitted the case b/c I was not going to close it like that ever.  

Putnams dcf is far far far worse.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: darla on March 15, 2009, 03:49:36 AM
Island, don't worry about the link now. I am having a horrible time with SM tonight. It keeps flashing and taking forever to load.Will talk to you guys later today. IM I sent you nanners.Godnight!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 15, 2009, 03:51:51 AM
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I always go back and review CVZ's comment sections.......now, take it for what it's worth, but this guy says he's local~if this is true, I'll drive down there myself and bitch slap Misty and have Cobra handle Ron:


formerdcfinvestigator

The moto of the dcf office in palatka that would have handled this case is see no evil, hear no evil, document no evil. Where I worked investigations in Volusia County things were better with some good directors and supervisors and dedicated workers but their were also workers who would be on call and falsify going to a home my trainer and myself discovered one of these instances (it was a sex abuse allegation which is supposed to be investigated within a matter of hours ---but going to the door and leaving a card can count as starting it ---I was absolutely furious and later got reprimanded for making such a big deal out of it. That worker worked at the least another month before she was gone. I still don't know if she quit or was fired.

When I think of the worst cases which I saw the worst ones always seem to have a piss soaked mattress that they sleep on. Where are the childrens toys lack of any was also consistent in these cases. Potty training is an extremely dangers time for children and a paramours have a trend of being the perpetrator of some of the most violent abuse. This child was also cared for by another extremely high risk person someone 25 and younger.

I now teach at the nearest high school to this incident and several of the students are related to her and they have all told me that they think it was them or her. One told me "everyone knew she hated Haliegh.....she was putting her fingers in boiling water......." Ronald was known to hang out at some kind of local motorcycle gang, a known drug addict apparently with an extensive criminal history.  


You might say to yourself "Why would dcf place a child there?" I couldn't tell you but the local judge makes the final decision....however, once while investigating a backlog case from a worker who left the agency I found a twelve yoa boy that had been placed in a home with a registerd sex offender. When I spoke to the supervisor I was told that he could have contact with children if his probation allowed it. DCF placed that child there with an open case unreal. I resubmitted the case b/c I was not going to close it like that ever.  

Putnams dcf is far far far worse.


Yikes! If this is true I will go with you!!  In the Today Show video with Misty nuging ron at the 7:11 part of the video and the nerves whatever twitching and look at their eyes they look dilated to me once again.  Finally no sunglasses. Actions speak loader than words and this case is starting to show a lot of strange action thru out. ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Idgie on March 15, 2009, 03:58:38 AM
I'm not posting this below to be be gross, altho I could use some Pepto, but the poster mentions the area close by as having significance. I was wondering the same thing when Ron refused to stay at his mom's home or anyone else's home close by. Mrs. Neves lives about 12 mile away.

I know he gave a reason of feeling sentimental and wanting to stay close, but he seemed creepy when he said it -- like he really wanted to stay close b/c if he were miles away he wouldn't know if someone else were getting too close.

I know that's a stretch, but it crossed my mind. And I don't know if this post is true anyway, so I wanted to ask you guys. Did they move yet? Out of the tent? Or out of the moblie home?  And did Ron leave Haleigh's things there?? No way! ?? Then the poster below  goes into a horrific septic tank theory.
________________________________________________________

TRUE CRIME REPORT Missing in Florida: Haleigh Cummings, Age 5
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/02/missing_in_florida_haleigh_cum.php (http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/02/missing_in_florida_haleigh_cum.php)

Below poster AMC said:     Posted 03/05/2009 at 11:32:37 AM

"When I heard they left Haleigh's things in the house when they moved, I got a cold chill. If my child were missing, I would take every piece of her existence with me, for rememberance if anything.

"My theory is that they left those there in memorium (like we leave things on our loved ones' gravesites), which makes me think her body is somewhere near that trailer... if not under it. Then I thought of septic tanks, not old ones...but ones in use. I recently had my septic tank pumped out, and the man that was doing it mentioned a house he just did, where the owner left the lid off in lieu of them coming to pump, and her dog fell in. She was looking for the dog when they came and pumped out the septic. Her dog was in it but it looked like it had been in it longer than a few days. He said, active septic systems have caustic acids, chemicals and bacteria that break down the waste, it doesn't take long for a body to decompose beyond recognition...and any evidence long lost. DNA is all mixed up too, the longer one sits in that muck. Cadaver dogs won't be able to diferentiate between sewage and a dead body because it's all dead flesh in one way or another. Sorry for the forensic Quincy rant... I hope it's not the case, but them leaving her stuff and moving away just adds another fish to the mix of fishiness to this case."





If you keep reading you will see that no one other than this one poster says haleigh's things are left behind. I do not believe they were left.

A local posting on WS said the septic system only has a small opening to pump out the septic and no way could a child fall in there. I am sure LE would have checked out this if it were a possibility.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 04:00:05 AM
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I always go back and review CVZ's comment sections.......now, take it for what it's worth, but this guy says he's local~if this is true, I'll drive down there myself and bitch slap Misty and have Cobra handle Ron:


formerdcfinvestigator

The moto of the dcf office in palatka that would have handled this case is see no evil, hear no evil, document no evil. Where I worked investigations in Volusia County things were better with some good directors and supervisors and dedicated workers but their were also workers who would be on call and falsify going to a home my trainer and myself discovered one of these instances (it was a sex abuse allegation which is supposed to be investigated within a matter of hours ---but going to the door and leaving a card can count as starting it ---I was absolutely furious and later got reprimanded for making such a big deal out of it. That worker worked at the least another month before she was gone. I still don't know if she quit or was fired.

When I think of the worst cases which I saw the worst ones always seem to have a piss soaked mattress that they sleep on. Where are the childrens toys lack of any was also consistent in these cases. Potty training is an extremely dangers time for children and a paramours have a trend of being the perpetrator of some of the most violent abuse. This child was also cared for by another extremely high risk person someone 25 and younger.

I now teach at the nearest high school to this incident and several of the students are related to her and they have all told me that they think it was them or her. One told me "everyone knew she hated Haliegh.....she was putting her fingers in boiling water......." Ronald was known to hang out at some kind of local motorcycle gang, a known drug addict apparently with an extensive criminal history.  


You might say to yourself "Why would dcf place a child there?" I couldn't tell you but the local judge makes the final decision....however, once while investigating a backlog case from a worker who left the agency I found a twelve yoa boy that had been placed in a home with a registerd sex offender. When I spoke to the supervisor I was told that he could have contact with children if his probation allowed it. DCF placed that child there with an open case unreal. I resubmitted the case b/c I was not going to close it like that ever.  

Putnams dcf is far far far worse.


Yikes! If this is true I will go with you!!  In the Today Show video with Misty nuging ron at the 7:11 part of the video and the nerves whatever twitching and look at their eyes they look dilated to me once again.  Finally no sunglasses. Actions speak loader than words and this case is starting to show a lot of strange action thru out. ::MonkeyEek::

Heck~I think it has been strange from the begining, but I did notice that and all the points from the eyes for lies blogspot.

If it's true, we may need the SM bail money but it will be worth it...........wonder if we should send that link to LE, or maybe CVZ already did, they could track that IP and find out what he is hearing from the kids in town and question them ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 15, 2009, 04:02:12 AM
I just have this sick feeling that little Haleigh is wrapped in a blanket and is either in woods on Ron's way to work or in the river. I do not trust momma Teresa. The blanket  in the van "they took" is driving me nuts. When that statement was made LE had not took anything.
I think she is talking about the van that her Cousin had borrowed from someone when he had came over!

I agree.  so does that mean she went with him when he borrowed the van?  and who was she partying with supposedly for 3 days.

I found this off of the comments in true crime report, comments secton:

nycestgirlevr said:
Ok for starters I never heard that her stuff was left in the house. Where do you get your information?
Anyhow I have actually spoken to a family member of Haleighs family, her mothers side of the family. And this is the new information I was given and it was directly from a family member of Haleighs. The vehicle they have is the van Misty was driving on Monday Feb.9th. The van had a new scratch that everyone is curious about also. The other thing I was told about Misty was that she was "missing" all weekend until Monday the 9th when Ronald found her and drug her back home. He did not get Haleigh off the bus the other parents at the bus stop said it was Misty in the van the police still have here in Jacksonville. And lastly the neighbor a single white older male moved after Haleigh went missing. This is what I know as of now. Lets get this out there people incase Haleigh is still alive. Oh also the dogs actually followed Haleigh and Mistys scent to the St. Johns river and it stopped there period and this ifno comes strait from Haleigh Cummings family!



If this part is true and with what the teach said about Misty hating Haleigh and putting her fingers in boiling water....then maybe jmo Misty was mad that ron made her come home and she took it out on Haleigh and it went to far this time.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 04:03:17 AM
I'm not posting this below to be be gross, altho I could use some Pepto, but the poster mentions the area close by as having significance. I was wondering the same thing when Ron refused to stay at his mom's home or anyone else's home close by. Mrs. Neves lives about 12 mile away.

I know he gave a reason of feeling sentimental and wanting to stay close, but he seemed creepy when he said it -- like he really wanted to stay close b/c if he were miles away he wouldn't know if someone else were getting too close.

I know that's a stretch, but it crossed my mind. And I don't know if this post is true anyway, so I wanted to ask you guys. Did they move yet? Out of the tent? Or out of the moblie home?  And did Ron leave Haleigh's things there?? No way! ?? Then the poster below  goes into a horrific septic tank theory.
________________________________________________________

TRUE CRIME REPORT Missing in Florida: Haleigh Cummings, Age 5
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/02/missing_in_florida_haleigh_cum.php (http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/02/missing_in_florida_haleigh_cum.php)

Below poster AMC said:     Posted 03/05/2009 at 11:32:37 AM

"When I heard they left Haleigh's things in the house when they moved, I got a cold chill. If my child were missing, I would take every piece of her existence with me, for rememberance if anything.

"My theory is that they left those there in memorium (like we leave things on our loved ones' gravesites), which makes me think her body is somewhere near that trailer... if not under it. Then I thought of septic tanks, not old ones...but ones in use. I recently had my septic tank pumped out, and the man that was doing it mentioned a house he just did, where the owner left the lid off in lieu of them coming to pump, and her dog fell in. She was looking for the dog when they came and pumped out the septic. Her dog was in it but it looked like it had been in it longer than a few days. He said, active septic systems have caustic acids, chemicals and bacteria that break down the waste, it doesn't take long for a body to decompose beyond recognition...and any evidence long lost. DNA is all mixed up too, the longer one sits in that muck. Cadaver dogs won't be able to diferentiate between sewage and a dead body because it's all dead flesh in one way or another. Sorry for the forensic Quincy rant... I hope it's not the case, but them leaving her stuff and moving away just adds another fish to the mix of fishiness to this case."





If you keep reading you will see that no one other than this one poster says haleigh's things are left behind. I do not believe they were left.

A local posting on WS said the septic system only has a small opening to pump out the septic and no way could a child fall in there. I am sure LE would have checked out this if it were a possibility.

I can call Marie and find out what was or was not left behind. We know much was left behind from when Crystal got to go in and was inconsolable as she saw the bed where Haleigh slept, the people outside the trailer heard her screams and when she asked to take a momento such as a stuffed animal etc, she was denied and left empty handed ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 04:05:03 AM
I just have this sick feeling that little Haleigh is wrapped in a blanket and is either in woods on Ron's way to work or in the river. I do not trust momma Teresa. The blanket  in the van "they took" is driving me nuts. When that statement was made LE had not took anything.
I think she is talking about the van that her Cousin had borrowed from someone when he had came over!

I agree.  so does that mean she went with him when he borrowed the van?  and who was she partying with supposedly for 3 days.

I found this off of the comments in true crime report, comments secton:

nycestgirlevr said:
Ok for starters I never heard that her stuff was left in the house. Where do you get your information?
Anyhow I have actually spoken to a family member of Haleighs family, her mothers side of the family. And this is the new information I was given and it was directly from a family member of Haleighs. The vehicle they have is the van Misty was driving on Monday Feb.9th. The van had a new scratch that everyone is curious about also. The other thing I was told about Misty was that she was "missing" all weekend until Monday the 9th when Ronald found her and drug her back home. He did not get Haleigh off the bus the other parents at the bus stop said it was Misty in the van the police still have here in Jacksonville. And lastly the neighbor a single white older male moved after Haleigh went missing. This is what I know as of now. Lets get this out there people incase Haleigh is still alive. Oh also the dogs actually followed Haleigh and Mistys scent to the St. Johns river and it stopped there period and this ifno comes strait from Haleigh Cummings family!



If this part is true and with what the teach said about Misty hating Haleigh and putting her fingers in boiling water....then maybe jmo Misty was mad that ron made her come home and she took it out on Haleigh and it went to far this time.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I wonder if she would do that to punish her for bedwetting or just pure jealousy..........sick on multiple levels ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 15, 2009, 04:06:26 AM
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I always go back and review CVZ's comment sections.......now, take it for what it's worth, but this guy says he's local~if this is true, I'll drive down there myself and bitch slap Misty and have Cobra handle Ron:


formerdcfinvestigator

The moto of the dcf office in palatka that would have handled this case is see no evil, hear no evil, document no evil. Where I worked investigations in Volusia County things were better with some good directors and supervisors and dedicated workers but their were also workers who would be on call and falsify going to a home my trainer and myself discovered one of these instances (it was a sex abuse allegation which is supposed to be investigated within a matter of hours ---but going to the door and leaving a card can count as starting it ---I was absolutely furious and later got reprimanded for making such a big deal out of it. That worker worked at the least another month before she was gone. I still don't know if she quit or was fired.

When I think of the worst cases which I saw the worst ones always seem to have a piss soaked mattress that they sleep on. Where are the childrens toys lack of any was also consistent in these cases. Potty training is an extremely dangers time for children and a paramours have a trend of being the perpetrator of some of the most violent abuse. This child was also cared for by another extremely high risk person someone 25 and younger.

I now teach at the nearest high school to this incident and several of the students are related to her and they have all told me that they think it was them or her. One told me "everyone knew she hated Haliegh.....she was putting her fingers in boiling water......." Ronald was known to hang out at some kind of local motorcycle gang, a known drug addict apparently with an extensive criminal history.  


You might say to yourself "Why would dcf place a child there?" I couldn't tell you but the local judge makes the final decision....however, once while investigating a backlog case from a worker who left the agency I found a twelve yoa boy that had been placed in a home with a registerd sex offender. When I spoke to the supervisor I was told that he could have contact with children if his probation allowed it. DCF placed that child there with an open case unreal. I resubmitted the case b/c I was not going to close it like that ever.  

Putnams dcf is far far far worse.


Yikes! If this is true I will go with you!!  In the Today Show video with Misty nuging ron at the 7:11 part of the video and the nerves whatever twitching and look at their eyes they look dilated to me once again.  Finally no sunglasses. Actions speak loader than words and this case is starting to show a lot of strange action thru out. ::MonkeyEek::

Heck~I think it has been strange from the begining, but I did notice that and all the points from the eyes for lies blogspot.

If it's true, we may need the SM bail money but it will be worth it...........wonder if we should send that link to LE, or maybe CVZ already did, they could track that IP and find out what he is hearing from the kids in town and question them ::MonkeyNoNo::

I would hope the teacher called it in.  Arent teachers required to report things like this?  And since she had worked for DFS before surely she did report it.  I think LE already know and are just gathering evidence.  The today show video they both look so guilty.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 04:13:41 AM
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I always go back and review CVZ's comment sections.......now, take it for what it's worth, but this guy says he's local~if this is true, I'll drive down there myself and bitch slap Misty and have Cobra handle Ron:


formerdcfinvestigator

The moto of the dcf office in palatka that would have handled this case is see no evil, hear no evil, document no evil. Where I worked investigations in Volusia County things were better with some good directors and supervisors and dedicated workers but their were also workers who would be on call and falsify going to a home my trainer and myself discovered one of these instances (it was a sex abuse allegation which is supposed to be investigated within a matter of hours ---but going to the door and leaving a card can count as starting it ---I was absolutely furious and later got reprimanded for making such a big deal out of it. That worker worked at the least another month before she was gone. I still don't know if she quit or was fired.

When I think of the worst cases which I saw the worst ones always seem to have a piss soaked mattress that they sleep on. Where are the childrens toys lack of any was also consistent in these cases. Potty training is an extremely dangers time for children and a paramours have a trend of being the perpetrator of some of the most violent abuse. This child was also cared for by another extremely high risk person someone 25 and younger.

I now teach at the nearest high school to this incident and several of the students are related to her and they have all told me that they think it was them or her. One told me "everyone knew she hated Haliegh.....she was putting her fingers in boiling water......." Ronald was known to hang out at some kind of local motorcycle gang, a known drug addict apparently with an extensive criminal history.  


You might say to yourself "Why would dcf place a child there?" I couldn't tell you but the local judge makes the final decision....however, once while investigating a backlog case from a worker who left the agency I found a twelve yoa boy that had been placed in a home with a registerd sex offender. When I spoke to the supervisor I was told that he could have contact with children if his probation allowed it. DCF placed that child there with an open case unreal. I resubmitted the case b/c I was not going to close it like that ever.  

Putnams dcf is far far far worse.


Yikes! If this is true I will go with you!!  In the Today Show video with Misty nuging ron at the 7:11 part of the video and the nerves whatever twitching and look at their eyes they look dilated to me once again.  Finally no sunglasses. Actions speak loader than words and this case is starting to show a lot of strange action thru out. ::MonkeyEek::

Heck~I think it has been strange from the begining, but I did notice that and all the points from the eyes for lies blogspot.

If it's true, we may need the SM bail money but it will be worth it...........wonder if we should send that link to LE, or maybe CVZ already did, they could track that IP and find out what he is hearing from the kids in town and question them ::MonkeyNoNo::

I would hope the teacher called it in.  Arent teachers required to report things like this?  And since she had worked for DFS before surely she did report it.  I think LE already know and are just gathering evidence.  The today show video they both look so guilty.

ITA~and every FBI profiler that has commented on this case believes they are at least culpable and at worst directly involved, and I do put stock in what they say as they have seen it all.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 15, 2009, 04:14:35 AM
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I always go back and review CVZ's comment sections.......now, take it for what it's worth, but this guy says he's local~if this is true, I'll drive down there myself and bitch slap Misty and have Cobra handle Ron:


formerdcfinvestigator

The moto of the dcf office in palatka that would have handled this case is see no evil, hear no evil, document no evil. Where I worked investigations in Volusia County things were better with some good directors and supervisors and dedicated workers but their were also workers who would be on call and falsify going to a home my trainer and myself discovered one of these instances (it was a sex abuse allegation which is supposed to be investigated within a matter of hours ---but going to the door and leaving a card can count as starting it ---I was absolutely furious and later got reprimanded for making such a big deal out of it. That worker worked at the least another month before she was gone. I still don't know if she quit or was fired.

When I think of the worst cases which I saw the worst ones always seem to have a piss soaked mattress that they sleep on. Where are the childrens toys lack of any was also consistent in these cases. Potty training is an extremely dangers time for children and a paramours have a trend of being the perpetrator of some of the most violent abuse. This child was also cared for by another extremely high risk person someone 25 and younger.

I now teach at the nearest high school to this incident and several of the students are related to her and they have all told me that they think it was them or her. One told me "everyone knew she hated Haliegh.....she was putting her fingers in boiling water......." Ronald was known to hang out at some kind of local motorcycle gang, a known drug addict apparently with an extensive criminal history.  


You might say to yourself "Why would dcf place a child there?" I couldn't tell you but the local judge makes the final decision....however, once while investigating a backlog case from a worker who left the agency I found a twelve yoa boy that had been placed in a home with a registerd sex offender. When I spoke to the supervisor I was told that he could have contact with children if his probation allowed it. DCF placed that child there with an open case unreal. I resubmitted the case b/c I was not going to close it like that ever.  

Putnams dcf is far far far worse.


Yikes! If this is true I will go with you!!  In the Today Show video with Misty nuging ron at the 7:11 part of the video and the nerves whatever twitching and look at their eyes they look dilated to me once again.  Finally no sunglasses. Actions speak loader than words and this case is starting to show a lot of strange action thru out. ::MonkeyEek::

Heck~I think it has been strange from the begining, but I did notice that and all the points from the eyes for lies blogspot.

If it's true, we may need the SM bail money but it will be worth it...........wonder if we should send that link to LE, or maybe CVZ already did, they could track that IP and find out what he is hearing from the kids in town and question them ::MonkeyNoNo::

I would hope the teacher called it in.  Arent teachers required to report things like this?  And since she had worked for DFS before surely she did report it.  I think LE already know and are just gathering evidence.  The today show video they both look so guilty.

wow...I messed that up.  ::MonkeyConfused:: CVZ teacher comment was from a man right?  And HE had worked previously for DCF.  There I hope I have it correct now.   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 15, 2009, 04:18:58 AM
If CS has heard these same stories it would make sense why she and her lawyer are trying to get Jr outta there fast!  And that could be why they got married so fast to show that ron believes she wouldnt hurt his children and he is in a stable relationship with her now...


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 04:19:15 AM
Well.. this won't make me very popular, just feel like it needs to be said.  Hopefully it won't offend too many folks. 

One concern is the running of the license plate by a blogger's LE family member to satisfy the curiousity of bloggers.  This to me is an invasion of privacy that isn't necessary.  We as bloggers on the net can sleuth things out from info already available to the public.  And of course, whatever info LE already involved with this case, releases to us.  But that's my opinion, for what it's worth. 

Another concern is that in another case a similiar thing happened, LE family member ran plates, and got into trouble at work for doing personal business on company time as well as using company equipment.  Wouldn't want for that to happen to someone else, if they hadn't thought it thru. 
 
Not trying to get on a high horse.  Just expressing some concerns. 
 

Thanks Wyks. had not thought of that. I'll let it go.

You're welcome!  Not trying to tell you or anyone else what to do, hope it didn't come across that way. 



Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Idgie on March 15, 2009, 04:22:36 AM
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I always go back and review CVZ's comment sections.......now, take it for what it's worth, but this guy says he's local~if this is true, I'll drive down there myself and bitch slap Misty and have Cobra handle Ron:


formerdcfinvestigator

The moto of the dcf office in palatka that would have handled this case is see no evil, hear no evil, document no evil. Where I worked investigations in Volusia County things were better with some good directors and supervisors and dedicated workers but their were also workers who would be on call and falsify going to a home my trainer and myself discovered one of these instances (it was a sex abuse allegation which is supposed to be investigated within a matter of hours ---but going to the door and leaving a card can count as starting it ---I was absolutely furious and later got reprimanded for making such a big deal out of it. That worker worked at the least another month before she was gone. I still don't know if she quit or was fired.

When I think of the worst cases which I saw the worst ones always seem to have a piss soaked mattress that they sleep on. Where are the childrens toys lack of any was also consistent in these cases. Potty training is an extremely dangers time for children and a paramours have a trend of being the perpetrator of some of the most violent abuse. This child was also cared for by another extremely high risk person someone 25 and younger.

I now teach at the nearest high school to this incident and several of the students are related to her and they have all told me that they think it was them or her. One told me "everyone knew she hated Haliegh.....she was putting her fingers in boiling water......." Ronald was known to hang out at some kind of local motorcycle gang, a known drug addict apparently with an extensive criminal history.  


You might say to yourself "Why would dcf place a child there?" I couldn't tell you but the local judge makes the final decision....however, once while investigating a backlog case from a worker who left the agency I found a twelve yoa boy that had been placed in a home with a registerd sex offender. When I spoke to the supervisor I was told that he could have contact with children if his probation allowed it. DCF placed that child there with an open case unreal. I resubmitted the case b/c I was not going to close it like that ever.  

Putnams dcf is far far far worse.


Yikes! If this is true I will go with you!!  In the Today Show video with Misty nuging ron at the 7:11 part of the video and the nerves whatever twitching and look at their eyes they look dilated to me once again.  Finally no sunglasses. Actions speak loader than words and this case is starting to show a lot of strange action thru out. ::MonkeyEek::

Heck~I think it has been strange from the begining, but I did notice that and all the points from the eyes for lies blogspot.

If it's true, we may need the SM bail money but it will be worth it...........wonder if we should send that link to LE, or maybe CVZ already did, they could track that IP and find out what he is hearing from the kids in town and question them ::MonkeyNoNo::

I would hope the teacher called it in.  Arent teachers required to report things like this?  And since she had worked for DFS before surely she did report it.  I think LE already know and are just gathering evidence.  The today show video they both look so guilty.

wow...I messed that up.  ::MonkeyConfused:: CVZ teacher comment was from a man right?  And HE had worked previously for DCF.  There I hope I have it correct now.   ::MonkeyEek::

If Haleigh had her fingers put in boiling water someone would have noticed. I can not believe the gm, ggm, RC or the school would not have noticed these scaled fingers and reported them to someone. Even Haleigh and butterbean would have told someone. I think the rumor and gossip is getting ridicules and as adults we should be able to throw out the totally outlandish with the trash. JMO


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 04:23:02 AM
If CS has heard these same stories it would make sense why she and her lawyer are trying to get Jr outta there fast!  And that could be why they got married so fast to show that ron believes she wouldnt hurt his children and he is in a stable relationship with her now...

Yes, it certainly would.........also in your question above, I don't know the sex of the poster, but he/she was a former DCF worker in that area


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 15, 2009, 04:35:16 AM
If Haleigh had her fingers put in boiling water someone would have noticed. I can not believe the gm, ggm, RC or the school would not have noticed these scaled fingers and reported them to someone. Even Haleigh and butterbean would have told someone. I think the rumor and gossip is getting ridicules and as adults we should be able to throw out the totally outlandish with the trash. JMO


I think I read somewhere that Haleigh and Jr had told there mom or someone that they had been getting hit.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 04:36:08 AM
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I always go back and review CVZ's comment sections.......now, take it for what it's worth, but this guy says he's local~if this is true, I'll drive down there myself and bitch slap Misty and have Cobra handle Ron:


formerdcfinvestigator

The moto of the dcf office in palatka that would have handled this case is see no evil, hear no evil, document no evil. Where I worked investigations in Volusia County things were better with some good directors and supervisors and dedicated workers but their were also workers who would be on call and falsify going to a home my trainer and myself discovered one of these instances (it was a sex abuse allegation which is supposed to be investigated within a matter of hours ---but going to the door and leaving a card can count as starting it ---I was absolutely furious and later got reprimanded for making such a big deal out of it. That worker worked at the least another month before she was gone. I still don't know if she quit or was fired.

When I think of the worst cases which I saw the worst ones always seem to have a piss soaked mattress that they sleep on. Where are the childrens toys lack of any was also consistent in these cases. Potty training is an extremely dangers time for children and a paramours have a trend of being the perpetrator of some of the most violent abuse. This child was also cared for by another extremely high risk person someone 25 and younger.

I now teach at the nearest high school to this incident and several of the students are related to her and they have all told me that they think it was them or her. One told me "everyone knew she hated Haliegh.....she was putting her fingers in boiling water......." Ronald was known to hang out at some kind of local motorcycle gang, a known drug addict apparently with an extensive criminal history.  


You might say to yourself "Why would dcf place a child there?" I couldn't tell you but the local judge makes the final decision....however, once while investigating a backlog case from a worker who left the agency I found a twelve yoa boy that had been placed in a home with a registerd sex offender. When I spoke to the supervisor I was told that he could have contact with children if his probation allowed it. DCF placed that child there with an open case unreal. I resubmitted the case b/c I was not going to close it like that ever.  

Putnams dcf is far far far worse.


Yikes! If this is true I will go with you!!  In the Today Show video with Misty nuging ron at the 7:11 part of the video and the nerves whatever twitching and look at their eyes they look dilated to me once again.  Finally no sunglasses. Actions speak loader than words and this case is starting to show a lot of strange action thru out. ::MonkeyEek::

Heck~I think it has been strange from the begining, but I did notice that and all the points from the eyes for lies blogspot.

If it's true, we may need the SM bail money but it will be worth it...........wonder if we should send that link to LE, or maybe CVZ already did, they could track that IP and find out what he is hearing from the kids in town and question them ::MonkeyNoNo::

I would hope the teacher called it in.  Arent teachers required to report things like this?  And since she had worked for DFS before surely she did report it.  I think LE already know and are just gathering evidence.  The today show video they both look so guilty.

wow...I messed that up.  ::MonkeyConfused:: CVZ teacher comment was from a man right?  And HE had worked previously for DCF.  There I hope I have it correct now.   ::MonkeyEek::

If Haleigh had her fingers put in boiling water someone would have noticed. I can not believe the gm, ggm, RC or the school would not have noticed these scaled fingers and reported them to someone. Even Haleigh and butterbean would have told someone. I think the rumor and gossip is getting ridicules and as adults we should be able to throw out the totally outlandish with the trash. JMO

I personaly have spilled boiling water on my fingers by straining spagetti etc and it never left any marks, now if she held them in there for any length of time they would..........that is not my pint however, if everyone in school is talking about her feelings towards Haleigh then LE should be made aware. It's so simple to rule out if untrue, contact this poster on CVZ's webpage............very easy and a no-brainer. I don't think Butterbean would notice FTLOG he was 3 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 04:39:58 AM
If Haleigh had her fingers put in boiling water someone would have noticed. I can not believe the gm, ggm, RC or the school would not have noticed these scaled fingers and reported them to someone. Even Haleigh and butterbean would have told someone. I think the rumor and gossip is getting ridicules and as adults we should be able to throw out the totally outlandish with the trash. JMO


I think I read somewhere that Haleigh and Jr had told there mom or someone that they had been getting hit.

Well, I tend to believe they have been hit in some fashion seeing that Ron can state the DCF proper procedures for discipline verbatim............surely they didn;t go around to people's homes randomly telling them proper procedure.


This is from Clint Van Zandt's site on that comment from Ron:

Clint Van ZandtDiane,

The father was very educated on how he was allowd to ue physical punish on his daughter per the Fla Dept of Soc Svs. His own form of "I got you" to the State.  Best,

CVZ


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 15, 2009, 04:44:55 AM
If Haleigh had her fingers put in boiling water someone would have noticed. I can not believe the gm, ggm, RC or the school would not have noticed these scaled fingers and reported them to someone. Even Haleigh and butterbean would have told someone. I think the rumor and gossip is getting ridicules and as adults we should be able to throw out the totally outlandish with the trash. JMO


I think I read somewhere that Haleigh and Jr had told there mom or someone that they had been getting hit.

Well, I tend to believe they have been hit in some fashion seeing that Ron can state the DCF proper procedures for discipline verbatim............surely they didn;t go around to people's homes randomly telling them proper procedure.


This is from Clint Van Zandt's site on that comment from Ron:

Clint Van ZandtDiane,

The father was very educated on how he was allowd to ue physical punish on his daughter per the Fla Dept of Soc Svs. His own form of "I got you" to the State.  Best,

CVZ


I am sure it is all going to come out soon.  With Mistys post on Ambers myspace just shows how jealous and vendictive she can be.  Just shows a side of her that is twisted.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 04:48:45 AM
If Haleigh had her fingers put in boiling water someone would have noticed. I can not believe the gm, ggm, RC or the school would not have noticed these scaled fingers and reported them to someone. Even Haleigh and butterbean would have told someone. I think the rumor and gossip is getting ridicules and as adults we should be able to throw out the totally outlandish with the trash. JMO


I think I read somewhere that Haleigh and Jr had told there mom or someone that they had been getting hit.

Well, I tend to believe they have been hit in some fashion seeing that Ron can state the DCF proper procedures for discipline verbatim............surely they didn;t go around to people's homes randomly telling them proper procedure.


This is from Clint Van Zandt's site on that comment from Ron:

Clint Van ZandtDiane,

The father was very educated on how he was allowd to ue physical punish on his daughter per the Fla Dept of Soc Svs. His own form of "I got you" to the State.  Best,

CVZ


I am sure it is all going to come out soon.  With Mistys post on Ambers myspace just shows how jealous and vendictive she can be.  Just shows a side of her that is twisted.

Yes, she is well.........better not use that word here~but yo can read my mind!

I think I'll try to sleep if I can after all this disturbing info ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Idgie on March 15, 2009, 04:55:40 AM
If Haleigh had her fingers put in boiling water someone would have noticed. I can not believe the gm, ggm, RC or the school would not have noticed these scaled fingers and reported them to someone. Even Haleigh and butterbean would have told someone. I think the rumor and gossip is getting ridicules and as adults we should be able to throw out the totally outlandish with the trash. JMO


I think I read somewhere that Haleigh and Jr had told there mom or someone that they had been getting hit.

Well, I tend to believe they have been hit in some fashion seeing that Ron can state the DCF proper procedures for discipline verbatim............surely they didn;t go around to people's homes randomly telling them proper procedure.


This is from Clint Van Zandt's site on that comment from Ron:

Clint Van ZandtDiane,

The father was very educated on how he was allowd to ue physical punish on his daughter per the Fla Dept of Soc Svs. His own form of "I got you" to the State.  Best,

CVZ


I am sure it is all going to come out soon.  With Mistys post on Ambers myspace just shows how jealous and vendictive she can be.  Just shows a side of her that is twisted.

Hopefully it will all come out SOON and Haleigh will be found safe. I do have suspicions about Misti but I also do not trust CS or her mother Marie. I totally do not trust A FL because she has been caught in non truths and starting false rumors on WS. My suspect list is quite long and nothing would surprise me thus far but I don't believe outlandish rumors from anonymous posters. I do think their IPs should be checked and they should get a visit from the FBI to check out these claims personally.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: mizjay on March 15, 2009, 05:03:29 AM


  Withall that I've read today, it just kept getting under my skin that NOTHING concrete has ever been confirmed by LE.

Not who got Haleigh off the bus, what time RC clocked out , was MC out of touch for 3 days, nada. zip.

Maybe GN doesn't really check up on them as often as she makes out, but knowing that it's in the court docs that she helps with the kids she's embellishing her role to enable Rc

LE must have a theory and after all this time I'm beginning to believe it has to do with R & M. otherwise I truely think they would've cleared them.  Up til now I leaned toward SO but it's just been too long without one single timeline or fact regarding them confirmed.


 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 15, 2009, 05:08:43 AM
If Haleigh had her fingers put in boiling water someone would have noticed. I can not believe the gm, ggm, RC or the school would not have noticed these scaled fingers and reported them to someone. Even Haleigh and butterbean would have told someone. I think the rumor and gossip is getting ridicules and as adults we should be able to throw out the totally outlandish with the trash. JMO


I think I read somewhere that Haleigh and Jr had told there mom or someone that they had been getting hit.

Well, I tend to believe they have been hit in some fashion seeing that Ron can state the DCF proper procedures for discipline verbatim............surely they didn;t go around to people's homes randomly telling them proper procedure.


This is from Clint Van Zandt's site on that comment from Ron:

Clint Van ZandtDiane,

The father was very educated on how he was allowd to ue physical punish on his daughter per the Fla Dept of Soc Svs. His own form of "I got you" to the State.  Best,

CVZ


I am sure it is all going to come out soon.  With Mistys post on Ambers myspace just shows how jealous and vendictive she can be.  Just shows a side of her that is twisted.

Hopefully it will all come out SOON and Haleigh will be found safe. I do have suspicions about Misti but I also do not trust CS or her mother Marie. I totally do not trust A FL because she has been caught in non truths and starting false rumors on WS. My suspect list is quite long and nothing would surprise me thus far but I don't believe outlandish rumors from anonymous posters. I do think their IPs should be checked and they should get a visit from the FBI to check out these claims personally.

I agree that those statements should be checked out too.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 15, 2009, 05:11:58 AM
If Haleigh had her fingers put in boiling water someone would have noticed. I can not believe the gm, ggm, RC or the school would not have noticed these scaled fingers and reported them to someone. Even Haleigh and butterbean would have told someone. I think the rumor and gossip is getting ridicules and as adults we should be able to throw out the totally outlandish with the trash. JMO


I think I read somewhere that Haleigh and Jr had told there mom or someone that they had been getting hit.

Well, I tend to believe they have been hit in some fashion seeing that Ron can state the DCF proper procedures for discipline verbatim............surely they didn;t go around to people's homes randomly telling them proper procedure.


This is from Clint Van Zandt's site on that comment from Ron:

Clint Van ZandtDiane,

The father was very educated on how he was allowd to ue physical punish on his daughter per the Fla Dept of Soc Svs. His own form of "I got you" to the State.  Best,

CVZ


I am sure it is all going to come out soon.  With Mistys post on Ambers myspace just shows how jealous and vendictive she can be.  Just shows a side of her that is twisted.

Yes, she is well.........better not use that word here~but yo can read my mind!

I think I'll try to sleep if I can after all this disturbing info ::MonkeyNoNo::

Night IM, I am heading to the monkey bunky too.  My eyes are feeling heavy and I can barely read anymore.  Sweet dreams Monkeys until tomorrow.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: mizjay on March 15, 2009, 05:13:57 AM


Good night all from me also

         ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 08:11:40 AM
My computer is going crazy...so I am going to bed. Island do you know how to pull up links for the courthouse video last Monday? I want to try to get the tag number off the dark colored truck so I can get both run at one time.

I can pull up the link, but I can't do screen captures........also, IIRC I don't remember him actually getting into a truck in that video?



Thanks, IslandMonkey, for the CVZ insights. Very informative and sadly, not at all surprising, imo. In fact, it seems that all the experts and non-formal-experts that we've come across so far are "reading" the situation similarly. For me, when one gets a certain vibe, it's interesting; When several get the same/similar vibes, it's chilling..... and tellling, and "speaks volumes."

Did I understand correctly that Misty's engagement ring is an heirloom handed down from Mother Neves? Perhaps via Mother Sykes? (Or was  it Mother Croslin?)   
(TM Luckyday - heh.)

Well, ehx-SKYOOO-OO-OOZE.....muh-MEEEEE! (/Steve Martin, circa 1982) Now I feel a Dana Carvey Church Lady's, "How con-VEEEEN-ient" coming on....

Well, if the ring is indeed an heirloom, that squashes those nasty, unfair rumors about the possibility or inquiry whether the procurement of the ring had been funded by donation $$. So to be fair, maybe the truck - if it's "new" or rather, "new to Ron Ron" and in his name - maybe the truck is an heirloom too, passed down to Ron from Mother Neves....

(insert sardonic emoticion here)

Maybe now that Miss Croslin is the beaming and effusive Mrs. Cummings, perhaps now the new Mrs.Cummings can legally get her little mits on some of the $$..... sorry, I mean..... now maybe she can benefit from the generosity of others as Ron allegedly - according to some, - appears to have possibly done. I said "allegedly;" (So no need to jump me again like a monkey on a cupcake.)  :-)

What tears at my heart additionally - beyond Haleigh being missing, of course, is that the people who are donating.... let me re-phrase.... IOW, if the donations were to go instead to the Reward Fund, the total would rise faster and the chance of a legit tip materializing that could bring this to fruition would no doubt likely increase; and if the tipster felt the reward money was enough such that he could get his family safely, permanently relocated OUT of Satsuma he nay prceed with coming forward. Someone surely knows something; but the gain has to be worth the risk, imo.


MOO  :-)




Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 08:25:03 AM
I'm not posting this below to be be gross, altho I could use some Pepto, but the poster mentions the area close by as having significance. I was wondering the same thing when Ron refused to stay at his mom's home or anyone else's home close by. Mrs. Neves lives about 12 mile away.

I know he gave a reason of feeling sentimental and wanting to stay close, but he seemed creepy when he said it -- like he really wanted to stay close b/c if he were miles away he wouldn't know if someone else were getting too close.

I know that's a stretch, but it crossed my mind. And I don't know if this post is true anyway, so I wanted to ask you guys. Did they move yet? Out of the tent? Or out of the moblie home?  And did Ron leave Haleigh's things there?? No way! ?? Then the poster below  goes into a horrific septic tank theory.
________________________________________________________

TRUE CRIME REPORT Missing in Florida: Haleigh Cummings, Age 5
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/02/missing_in_florida_haleigh_cum.php (http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/02/missing_in_florida_haleigh_cum.php)

Below poster AMC said:     Posted 03/05/2009 at 11:32:37 AM

"When I heard they left Haleigh's things in the house when they moved, I got a cold chill. If my child were missing, I would take every piece of her existence with me, for rememberance if anything. [snip for space]

If you keep reading you will see that no one other than this one poster says haleigh's things are left behind. I do not believe they were left.

A local posting on WS said the septic system only has a small opening to pump out the septic and no way could a child fall in there. I am sure LE would have checked out this if it were a possibility.

I can call Marie and find out what was or was not left behind. We know much was left behind from when Crystal got to go in and was inconsolable as she saw the bed where Haleigh slept, the people outside the trailer heard her screams and when she asked to take a momento such as a stuffed animal etc, she was denied and left empty handed ::MonkeyNoNo::


Thank you, FriedGreenTomatoes, I did mention that I didn't have any verificatioin of the above pasted post from the TCR site. That's why I asked -- in case a monkey had a source that could be verified;

As it turned out, IslandMonkey seems to be checking on getting an answer on that. If IslandMonkey verifies it, then that is good enough for me.  :-)

Also, if we are to question the veracity (as we should..... and I did) of the poster at TCR, shouldn't we also question the "local posting on WS" too? -- the one  who claims to have info on the septic system? 




Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 09:13:11 AM
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I always go back and review CVZ's comment sections.......now, take it for what it's worth, but this guy says he's local~if this is true, I'll drive down there myself and bitch slap Misty and have Cobra handle Ron:


formerdcfinvestigator

The moto of the dcf office in palatka that would have handled this case is see no evil, hear no evil, document no evil. Where I worked investigations in Volusia County things were better with some good directors and supervisors and dedicated workers but their were also workers who would be on call and falsify going to a home my trainer and myself discovered one of these instances (it was a sex abuse allegation which is supposed to be investigated within a matter of hours ---but going to the door and leaving a card can count as starting it ---I was absolutely furious and later got reprimanded for making such a big deal out of it. That worker worked at the least another month before she was gone. I still don't know if she quit or was fired.

When I think of the worst cases which I saw the worst ones always seem to have a piss soaked mattress that they sleep on. Where are the childrens toys lack of any was also consistent in these cases. Potty training is an extremely dangers time for children and a paramours have a trend of being the perpetrator of some of the most violent abuse. This child was also cared for by another extremely high risk person someone 25 and younger.

I now teach at the nearest high school to this incident and several of the students are related to her and they have all told me that they think it was them or her. One told me "everyone knew she hated Haliegh.....she was putting her fingers in boiling water......." Ronald was known to hang out at some kind of local motorcycle gang, a known drug addict apparently with an extensive criminal history.  


You might say to yourself "Why would dcf place a child there?" I couldn't tell you but the local judge makes the final decision....however, once while investigating a backlog case from a worker who left the agency I found a twelve yoa boy that had been placed in a home with a registerd sex offender. When I spoke to the supervisor I was told that he could have contact with children if his probation allowed it. DCF placed that child there with an open case unreal. I resubmitted the case b/c I was not going to close it like that ever.  

Putnams dcf is far far far worse.


Yikes! If this is true I will go with you!!  In the Today Show video with Misty nuging ron at the 7:11 part of the video and the nerves whatever twitching and look at their eyes they look dilated to me once again.  Finally no sunglasses. Actions speak loader than words and this case is starting to show a lot of strange action thru out. ::MonkeyEek::

Heck~I think it has been strange from the begining, but I did notice that and all the points from the eyes for lies blogspot.

If it's true, we may need the SM bail money but it will be worth it...........wonder if we should send that link to LE, or maybe CVZ already did, they could track that IP and find out what he is hearing from the kids in town and question them ::MonkeyNoNo::

I would hope the teacher called it in.  Arent teachers required to report things like this?  And since she had worked for DFS before surely she did report it.  I think LE already know and are just gathering evidence.  The today show video they both look so guilty.



OMG, the idea of that makes me ill.

IslandMonkey imo, a big fat yes! to your question about callinig it in to LE.

I hear you, Jules, and I hate to say this, but I don't want to assume that anyone called, told, or properly reported  anything -- even if they are professionally bound to do so.

Ron is a frightening individual and people in the loop may have weighed "doing the right thing" against what they may have felt  would have posed a real risk to their family's safety. Hence, turning a blind eye; Sadly, it happens.

I'm going to contact the tipline. So what if they already know? What if they don't? I hope more than one call/email reaches the tipline. The contact info was posted somewhere here; I've got to find it again. (I'm a couple of pages behind, so if someone has already re-posted it, then great.)

Not only contacting the tipline/LE, but emailing/contacting Crystal's atty, Kim Picazio seems like a good idea to me too. She may know all she needs to know, but we don't know that; and better safe than sorry.

The reason I bring her up is that she is investigating the former Cummings home environment. As far as I know, the Child Protective Services (or whatever the Florida version of that is called) seals those records from the public - not that she cannot access them, but typically any kind of well-intentioned heads-up is usually appreciated. And who knows? Some tidbit of info like the above passed on to Pacazio could expedite matters. It's worth a shot, is all I'm saying; and I'm going to do it.

I saw Ms. Picazio's website info here; I'll look; If not I'll Google it. When I locate the contact info, I'm going to email Picazio with the above information and she can do with it what she sees fit, if anything. The reason I'm hoping for more than one call/email etc (more than one, but not over kill like 50, so as not to inundate her) is that one email/call can be missed or fizzle out or not get to the right person.... 4 or 5 or 6 likely will not.

Anyway, I'm all in and going to do both. Hey, Luckyday and JerseyGirl, you are familiar with the process, if you guys feel inclined... hint hint :-)

Or IslandMonkey you have useful legit contacts there in Satsuma or close to there, right?

OMG, that whole notion above about Misty, etc is sickening; I so hope it's not true.





Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: danabar on March 15, 2009, 09:17:17 AM
of the places I heard it:

 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html

NANCY GRACE

Police Pursue New Leads in Missing Florida Girl

Aired February 17, 2009 - 20:00:00   ET

TERESA NEVES, PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: I believe that she was. To the best of my knowledge, she was there. I had a family member there that night checking on the children, dropping off some clothes. So I know up to a point that she was definitely there. There`s no doubt in my mind that she was there, you know?


GRACE: We know for a fact, Miss Neves, that she was at school the day that she went missing.

NEVES: Yes, ma`am, she was. I picked her up from the bus stop.
 

 
This is what is bothering me. If she got her off the bus....Why would she send someone to check on the kids? If she was that worried about them...why did she not take them home with her??? Something just does not add up.

Darla, I agree with you too.  If she got her off the bus that day, what happened next?

Did she:
1.  take her straight home ( bus stop is right down the road from house, right?)
2.  take her back to her house for a visit (15-20 miles to pick her up, 15-20 miles to bring her home....she had to have stayed for a while to visit with her)
4.  did she take her to McDonald's, shopping, etc?
5.  Who did she leave her with when she left to go home?

(Some/All of these questions may have been answered but I'm not as familiar with this case and all you other monkeys.....but I'm getting there :)

Unless no one was there to get Haleigh 15-20 miles is a long way to drive to  pick a child up from the bus stop especially when the stop is down the road from
 where the child lives......she had to have spent some time with her....i just don't understand why she didn't see about the clothes or whatever herself when she was there....she could have also sent gg back to the house to see if Misty had given them supper or even how Misty was acting....

I think they all have lied at one point....it's hard to put all the lies together and come up with the truth.....Poor LE....I hope and pray the new PI will be able to break Misty or Ron or anyone for that matter!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: AprilShowers on March 15, 2009, 09:36:03 AM
Good Morning Monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

I just woke up ... and going by common sense and simplicity:

Neither Ron nor Misty seem very upset ... they're not panicking or sick with worry, or much of anything.

They act nervous sometimes and arrogant other times.

Misty can't answer why her story changed so much????

I see in Ron, a very angry man, a very arrogant BOY, and he clearly gives off a

"Catch me if you can"         vibe.

What does this say, in common sense? 

They're not worried sick about where Haleigh is?  Nope ...

They're (mostly Misty) scared and worried, the truth will come out, that they'll be found out.  On the Today Show, I did pick up nervousness in Ron ... at times, his face held the combination look between, nervous being around folks he didn't know (authority, media), and trying to keep it together to not let stuff slip out, and arrogant as all hell, angry and a smart ass attitude.

Put that all together, and common sense tells you, they're not worried about Haleigh.
Either because they have her safe somewhere, or they know she is dead.

Just sayin ....


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: mioyshi on March 15, 2009, 09:40:52 AM
Good Morning Monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

I just woke up ... and going by common sense and simplicity:

Neither Ron nor Misty seem very upset ... they're not panicking or sick with worry, or much of anything.

They act nervous sometimes and arrogant other times.

Misty can't answer why her story changed so much????

I see in Ron, a very angry man, a very arrogant BOY, and he clearly gives off a

"Catch me if you can"         vibe.

What does this say, in common sense? 

They're not worried sick about where Haleigh is?  Nope ...

They're (mostly Misty) scared and worried, the truth will come out, that they'll be found out.  On the Today Show, I did pick up nervousness in Ron ... at times, his face held the combination look between, nervous being around folks he didn't know (authority, media), and trying to keep it together to not let stuff slip out, and arrogant as all hell, angry and a smart ass attitude.

Put that all together, and common sense tells you, they're not worried about Haleigh.
Either because they have her safe somewhere, or they know she is dead.

Just sayin ....

yepper, I have to agree with you.....they do seem to be in knowledge of the real happenings...such a shame.....


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: klaasend on March 15, 2009, 10:24:31 AM
Good Morning Monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

I just woke up ... and going by common sense and simplicity:

Neither Ron nor Misty seem very upset ... they're not panicking or sick with worry, or much of anything.

They act nervous sometimes and arrogant other times.

Misty can't answer why her story changed so much????

I see in Ron, a very angry man, a very arrogant BOY, and he clearly gives off a

"Catch me if you can"         vibe.

What does this say, in common sense? 

They're not worried sick about where Haleigh is?  Nope ...

They're (mostly Misty) scared and worried, the truth will come out, that they'll be found out.  On the Today Show, I did pick up nervousness in Ron ... at times, his face held the combination look between, nervous being around folks he didn't know (authority, media), and trying to keep it together to not let stuff slip out, and arrogant as all hell, angry and a smart ass attitude.

Put that all together, and common sense tells you, they're not worried about Haleigh.
Either because they have her safe somewhere, or they know she is dead.

Just sayin ....

I agree as well


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: CarolynV on March 15, 2009, 10:40:40 AM
Hey guys,

I have been with y'all through the beginning of this, from DAY ONE, if you will, and I wonder, could it be as simple as, Ron didn't do this, and didn't want this to happen, but now that it has, he is not going to turn down the good things that are coming to him because of it?  It certainly seems like he would garner more public support and be a hero if he helped LE get her rather than protecting her? Unless he is complicit and that's a whole other ball of wax.



Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: numbersgirl on March 15, 2009, 10:44:41 AM
Are septic tanks made that way in Fla.? Ours are different here in S.C.
Mines not and neither are any of my families, they only have a small pipe that goes into the drain for the septic tank, not big enough for a child, only way to dispose of a child in a septic tank here you would have to dig down to the big opening!

Good Morning Monkeys...re Mobile Home Park Septic Tanks...I'm not sure about FL, but in Ohio each mobile home pad has only a small sewage pipe that connects to the home.  Sewage runs through that pipe into larger pipe at the street which ultimately runs into a very large "sewage plant" that houses a septic tank and a sand filter.  This plant has manholes for maintenance access,  grinders, etc that convert sewage into liquid that goes into sand filter (concrete structure about the size of an olympic swimming pool) with many layers of different size gravel and sand to filter the waste, then a retainage pond at the end.  This was the common EPA licensed way of treating sewage in areas that did not have city/county systems.  It's rapidly being abandoned..but was common for many years.  Sorry to be so graphic.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2009, 11:01:16 AM
Good Morning, Aprilshowers, I agree as well with what you posted.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 15, 2009, 12:01:01 PM
Good Morning, Monkeys:

Has anyone seen this new video w/remarks??????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1PlszjkZ5Q


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 12:09:27 PM
If Haleigh had her fingers put in boiling water someone would have noticed. I can not believe the gm, ggm, RC or the school would not have noticed these scaled fingers and reported them to someone. Even Haleigh and butterbean would have told someone. I think the rumor and gossip is getting ridicules and as adults we should be able to throw out the totally outlandish with the trash. JMO


I think I read somewhere that Haleigh and Jr had told there mom or someone that they had been getting hit.


If this is true why didn't Crystal do anything about it?  I don't believe it.  Sounds like Giraldo rumors. IMO


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 15, 2009, 12:12:43 PM
If Haleigh had her fingers put in boiling water someone would have noticed. I can not believe the gm, ggm, RC or the school would not have noticed these scaled fingers and reported them to someone. Even Haleigh and butterbean would have told someone. I think the rumor and gossip is getting ridicules and as adults we should be able to throw out the totally outlandish with the trash. JMO


I think I read somewhere that Haleigh and Jr had told there mom or someone that they had been getting hit.


If this is true why didn't Crystal do anything about it?  I don't believe it.  Sounds like Giraldo rumors. IMO
But, there are pics of HL with both hands bandaged - could wonder why??


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 15, 2009, 12:17:20 PM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, RANA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2009, 12:23:41 PM
Rana Happy Birthday  ::MonkeyDance:: I really enjoy your posts.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 12:23:51 PM
If Haleigh had her fingers put in boiling water someone would have noticed. I can not believe the gm, ggm, RC or the school would not have noticed these scaled fingers and reported them to someone. Even Haleigh and butterbean would have told someone. I think the rumor and gossip is getting ridicules and as adults we should be able to throw out the totally outlandish with the trash. JMO


I think I read somewhere that Haleigh and Jr had told there mom or someone that they had been getting hit.


If this is true why didn't Crystal do anything about it?  I don't believe it.  Sounds like Giraldo rumors. IMO
But, there are pics of HL with both hands bandaged - could wonder why??

REALLY!!!  That is different.  Link please. Sheds a whole new light. TIA


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 12:26:18 PM
Hey Rana.  Happy Birthday to you!!! :smt113   ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2009, 12:34:32 PM
If Haleigh had her fingers put in boiling water someone would have noticed. I can not believe the gm, ggm, RC or the school would not have noticed these scaled fingers and reported them to someone. Even Haleigh and butterbean would have told someone. I think the rumor and gossip is getting ridicules and as adults we should be able to throw out the totally outlandish with the trash. JMO


I think I read somewhere that Haleigh and Jr had told there mom or someone that they had been getting hit.


If this is true why didn't Crystal do anything about it?  I don't believe it.  Sounds like Giraldo rumors. IMO
But, there are pics of HL with both hands bandaged - could wonder why??

REALLY!!!  That is different.  Link please. Sheds a whole new light. TIA
Minnie, first your pup is a real cutie. I don't have the link, but I remember people discussing the bandages on Haleigh's hands, I recall some people thinking they were gloves. I hope someone posts the pic, now the gloves seems strange to me, I wore gloves to church when I was a child, a hundred years ago  ::MonkeyRoll:: but I can't imagine girls doing that now, but of course I could be wrong.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on March 15, 2009, 12:36:11 PM
If CS has heard these same stories it would make sense why she and her lawyer are trying to get Jr outta there fast!  And that could be why they got married so fast to show that ron believes she wouldnt hurt his children and he is in a stable relationship with her now...

Yes, it certainly would.........also in your question above, I don't know the sex of the poster, but he/she was a former DCF worker in that area

Just jumpin in before I got to go to  work about the finger tips and boiling water-Haleigh had those sorta white gauge gloves on in one of those pictures I seen on the internet.. ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 15, 2009, 12:36:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPfuhDG-OM

HL's bandaged hands @1:05


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 12:37:27 PM
If Haleigh had her fingers put in boiling water someone would have noticed. I can not believe the gm, ggm, RC or the school would not have noticed these scaled fingers and reported them to someone. Even Haleigh and butterbean would have told someone. I think the rumor and gossip is getting ridicules and as adults we should be able to throw out the totally outlandish with the trash. JMO


I think I read somewhere that Haleigh and Jr had told there mom or someone that they had been getting hit.


If this is true why didn't Crystal do anything about it?  I don't believe it.  Sounds like Giraldo rumors. IMO
But, there are pics of HL with both hands bandaged - could wonder why??

REALLY!!!  That is different.  Link please. Sheds a whole new light. TIA
Minnie, first your pup is a real cutie. I don't have the link, but I remember people discussing the bandages on Haleigh's hands, I recall some people thinking they were gloves. I hope someone posts the pic, now the gloves seems strange to me, I wore gloves to church when I was a child, a hundred years ago  ::MonkeyRoll:: but I can't imagine girls doing that now, but of course I could be wrong.

Thank you.  My doggie is a real mess.  Actually have two but no pictures here at home.

It seems no one dresses for church anymore.  You are right as a child we wore gloves and hats.  Mom used to really dress us up. I somehow don't see that happening here.  But, I would like to see those pictures.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2009, 12:38:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPfuhDG-OM

HL's bandaged hands @1:05

Thanks luckyday  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2009, 12:40:17 PM
Okay, those are not gloves  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 12:41:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPfuhDG-OM

HL's bandaged hands @1:05


Thank you.  The only thing it appears the fingertips are not bandaged.  You can see nail polish on her little fingernails.  Don't know what would explain the bandages on both hands though.  Weird.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 12:43:23 PM
Okay, those are not gloves  ::MonkeyEek::

Nope they aren't.

BTW I love your dog pic.  Where did you get the St. Pat's picture frame?


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 15, 2009, 12:49:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPfuhDG-OM

HL's bandaged hands @1:05


Thank you.  The only thing it appears the fingertips are not bandaged.  You can see nail polish on her little fingernails.  Don't know what would explain the bandages on both hands though.  Weird.
Could her little hands have been burnt? That was my first thought when I saw this clip about two weeks ago. And if so, why would the family release that particular picture??? Maybe Ron/Misty was "teaching" HL a lesson? "Little girl, I've told you before NOT to touch the stove - I'll teach you!!" (Puts her little hands on the burner). All speculation and MOO!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2009, 12:54:37 PM
Okay, those are not gloves  ::MonkeyEek::

Nope they aren't.

BTW I love your dog pic.  Where did you get the St. Pat's picture frame?
Thank-you, Brandi can help you with that, she does wonderful work. I can't figure out either why her little fingertips aren't bandaged, and what harm came to her hands.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 15, 2009, 12:57:18 PM
I did read that Turner syndrome caused swollen hands. Or, kids do have other medical issues. Or accidents. If that was a result of the boiling water story, those pictures would not be there as it looks as if they were taken by Ron or his family. There's alot of bs out there. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luvmyboys on March 15, 2009, 12:59:28 PM
HI ALL YOU SMART MONKEYS...I TO AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ABOUT THE BANDAGES...I ALSO SAW SOMETHING THAT WAS A BIT WIERD TO ME ON THAT U TUBE VIDEO...THERE ARE 2 PICS  WHERE RUN IS TAKEING HALEIGH OUT TO THE BUS STOP..AND IT LOOKS LIKE SHE WAS TRYING TO FIGHT BACK..IT LOOKS LIKE SHE DID NOT AT ALL WANT TO GO..DID ANYONE ELSE NOTICE?? AND HAVE WE HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT HER NOT WANTING TO GO TO SCHOOL..I WONDER IF SHE IS SCARED OF THE BUS DRIVER!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 15, 2009, 01:00:43 PM
Could her little hands have been burnt? That was my first thought when I saw this clip about two weeks ago. And if so, why would the family release that particular picture??? Maybe Ron/Misty was "teaching" HL a lesson? "Little girl, I've told you before NOT to touch the stove - I'll teach you!!" (Puts her little hands on the burner). All speculation and MOO!!!
Wow my mind can not even go there.  How extremely horrid!  What about taking this down a notch, maybe she had cuts from climbing a tree, falling from her bike to the pavement, or ACCIDENTLY touching a stove top.  What is being suggested here I am not ready to consider, I think that this type of thinking is nearing the deep end. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2009, 01:01:26 PM
I did read that Turner syndrome caused swollen hands. Or, kids do have other medical issues. Or accidents. If that was a result of the boiling water story, those pictures would not be there as it looks as if they were taken by Ron or his family. There's alot of bs out there. 
How true, bs everywhere. To add to the bs or not, AnnaFL over yonder is saying Misty is pregnant, if that is true we will see with our own eyes in a couple months or so.  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 15, 2009, 01:02:33 PM
I did read that Turner syndrome caused swollen hands. Or, kids do have other medical issues. Or accidents. If that was a result of the boiling water story, those pictures would not be there as it looks as if they were taken by Ron or his family. There's alot of bs out there. 
Thank you Kat gram for bringing some sensibility with your post.  I agree 100%.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2009, 01:02:49 PM
HI ALL YOU SMART MONKEYS...I TO AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ABOUT THE BANDAGES...I ALSO SAW SOMETHING THAT WAS A BIT WIERD TO ME ON THAT U TUBE VIDEO...THERE ARE 2 PICS  WHERE RUN IS TAKEING HALEIGH OUT TO THE BUS STOP..AND IT LOOKS LIKE SHE WAS TRYING TO FIGHT BACK..IT LOOKS LIKE SHE DID NOT AT ALL WANT TO GO..DID ANYONE ELSE NOTICE?? AND HAVE WE HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT HER NOT WANTING TO GO TO SCHOOL..I WONDER IF SHE IS SCARED OF THE BUS DRIVER!!!
That could be or she maybe didn't want to go to school that day.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 15, 2009, 01:02:56 PM
HI ALL YOU SMART MONKEYS...I TO AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ABOUT THE BANDAGES...I ALSO SAW SOMETHING THAT WAS A BIT WIERD TO ME ON THAT U TUBE VIDEO...THERE ARE 2 PICS  WHERE RUN IS TAKEING HALEIGH OUT TO THE BUS STOP..AND IT LOOKS LIKE SHE WAS TRYING TO FIGHT BACK..IT LOOKS LIKE SHE DID NOT AT ALL WANT TO GO..DID ANYONE ELSE NOTICE?? AND HAVE WE HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT HER NOT WANTING TO GO TO SCHOOL..I WONDER IF SHE IS SCARED OF THE BUS DRIVER!!!
Well, Hi luvmyboys, are you yelling today?? (ALL CAPS!)
Yes, Ron had said HL did not want to go to school and he had to force her to get on the bus. Don't know why he couldn't have just driven her to school until she got used to it. Again, MOO!!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 15, 2009, 01:03:57 PM
I did read that Turner syndrome caused swollen hands. Or, kids do have other medical issues. Or accidents. If that was a result of the boiling water story, those pictures would not be there as it looks as if they were taken by Ron or his family. There's alot of bs out there. 
How true, bs everywhere. To add to the bs or not, AnnaFL over yonder is saying Misty is pregnant, if that is true we will see with our own eyes in a couple months or so.  ::MonkeyRoll::
OMG if this is true they seriously need to neuter that boy.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 15, 2009, 01:04:51 PM
Could her little hands have been burnt? That was my first thought when I saw this clip about two weeks ago. And if so, why would the family release that particular picture??? Maybe Ron/Misty was "teaching" HL a lesson? "Little girl, I've told you before NOT to touch the stove - I'll teach you!!" (Puts her little hands on the burner). All speculation and MOO!!!
Wow my mind can not even go there.  How extremely horrid!  What about taking this down a notch, maybe she had cuts from climbing a tree, falling from her bike to the pavement, or ACCIDENTLY touching a stove top.  What is being suggested here I am not ready to consider, I think that this type of thinking is nearing the deep end. 
Yes, could be nearing the deep end. As I said, this was my first instinct when I saw that you tube clip. Pure speculation on my part.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 15, 2009, 01:06:21 PM
I did read that Turner syndrome caused swollen hands. Or, kids do have other medical issues. Or accidents. If that was a result of the boiling water story, those pictures would not be there as it looks as if they were taken by Ron or his family. There's alot of bs out there. 
How true, bs everywhere. To add to the bs or not, AnnaFL over yonder is saying Misty is pregnant, if that is true we will see with our own eyes in a couple months or so.  ::MonkeyRoll::
OMG if this is true they seriously need to neuter that boy.

looks like over the last month she forgot to take her birth control.  I pray for Haleigh!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luvmyboys on March 15, 2009, 01:06:27 PM
ohhhhhh i am so sorry about the caps...my bad


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 15, 2009, 01:08:16 PM
Could her little hands have been burnt? That was my first thought when I saw this clip about two weeks ago. And if so, why would the family release that particular picture??? Maybe Ron/Misty was "teaching" HL a lesson? "Little girl, I've told you before NOT to touch the stove - I'll teach you!!" (Puts her little hands on the burner). All speculation and MOO!!!
Wow my mind can not even go there.  How extremely horrid!  What about taking this down a notch, maybe she had cuts from climbing a tree, falling from her bike to the pavement, or ACCIDENTLY touching a stove top.  What is being suggested here I am not ready to consider, I think that this type of thinking is nearing the deep end. 
Yes, could be nearing the deep end. As I said, this was my first instinct when I saw that you tube clip. Pure speculation on my part.
Children of the Corn hands in boiling water on hot stove was your FIRST instinct???  Wow, sorry I am just completely in shock.  I can not fathom that type of thinking.  I will agree that every single player in this case is sketchy, but looking at the whole picture I just do not see that as being something that could have been done without being somewhere on someones radar.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 15, 2009, 01:09:46 PM
I did read that Turner syndrome caused swollen hands. Or, kids do have other medical issues. Or accidents. If that was a result of the boiling water story, those pictures would not be there as it looks as if they were taken by Ron or his family. There's alot of bs out there. 
How true, bs everywhere. To add to the bs or not, AnnaFL over yonder is saying Misty is pregnant, if that is true we will see with our own eyes in a couple months or so.  ::MonkeyRoll::
OMG if this is true they seriously need to neuter that boy.

looks like over the last month she forgot to take her birth control.  I pray for Haleigh!!
Is this a fact or is this from AnnaFL?  I do not believe that woman for a second, she seems to be yet again just another person looking for the limelight. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 15, 2009, 01:10:43 PM
ohhhhhh i am so sorry about the caps...my bad
No biggie it happens to everyone once or twice!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 15, 2009, 01:12:51 PM
Haleigh saw doctors frequently because of the Turner syndrome. If they had noticed something, there would be a record of it.  Here, there is a legal requirement to report. Crystal's lawyer could certainly get access to Haleigh's medical records. Also Crystal had shared custody, she could pull those records too.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 01:14:18 PM
Okay, those are not gloves  ::MonkeyEek::

Hi monkeys~the reason behind my bringing that post over from the CVZ blog  (and I used a BIG disclaimer about IF he really is local and IF these things are true) was to see if LE could track the IP of this poster to see if it was total bunk or not because they stated that they taught at the H.S. there adn were hearing stories from people that knew Misty and that she "didn't love as much as we've  heard from Ron...mild version).......I just think it's something LE should check out, not so much the fingers, but the feelings that Misty shared with friends about Haleigh. Could be total BS, but at this point any little clue is helpful and it should be easy to prove/disprove. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 15, 2009, 01:16:20 PM
Could her little hands have been burnt? That was my first thought when I saw this clip about two weeks ago. And if so, why would the family release that particular picture??? Maybe Ron/Misty was "teaching" HL a lesson? "Little girl, I've told you before NOT to touch the stove - I'll teach you!!" (Puts her little hands on the burner). All speculation and MOO!!!
Wow my mind can not even go there.  How extremely horrid!  What about taking this down a notch, maybe she had cuts from climbing a tree, falling from her bike to the pavement, or ACCIDENTLY touching a stove top.  What is being suggested here I am not ready to consider, I think that this type of thinking is nearing the deep end. 
Yes, could be nearing the deep end. As I said, this was my first instinct when I saw that you tube clip. Pure speculation on my part.
Children of the Corn hands in boiling water on hot stove was your FIRST instinct???  Wow, sorry I am just completely in shock.  I can not fathom that type of thinking.  I will agree that every single player in this case is sketchy, but looking at the whole picture I just do not see that as being something that could have been done without being somewhere on someones radar.
Not sue what Children of the Corn means, but unfortunately, my ex-husband did this to my son when he was two years old. This was before DV laws, back in 1971. I was 21 and very naive. My son is now 39. Very bad memories, but that is what it reminded me of when I saw that You Tube clip. I hope that I am dead wrong!! And, sorry to upset you, Dolce!!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 15, 2009, 01:16:36 PM
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I always go back and review CVZ's comment sections.......now, take it for what it's worth, but this guy says he's local~if this is true, I'll drive down there myself and bitch slap Misty and have Cobra handle Ron:


formerdcfinvestigator

The moto of the dcf office in palatka that would have handled this case is see no evil, hear no evil, document no evil. Where I worked investigations in Volusia County things were better with some good directors and supervisors and dedicated workers but their were also workers who would be on call and falsify going to a home my trainer and myself discovered one of these instances (it was a sex abuse allegation which is supposed to be investigated within a matter of hours ---but going to the door and leaving a card can count as starting it ---I was absolutely furious and later got reprimanded for making such a big deal out of it. That worker worked at the least another month before she was gone. I still don't know if she quit or was fired.

When I think of the worst cases which I saw the worst ones always seem to have a piss soaked mattress that they sleep on. Where are the childrens toys lack of any was also consistent in these cases. Potty training is an extremely dangers time for children and a paramours have a trend of being the perpetrator of some of the most violent abuse. This child was also cared for by another extremely high risk person someone 25 and younger.

I now teach at the nearest high school to this incident and several of the students are related to her and they have all told me that they think it was them or her. One told me "everyone knew she hated Haliegh.....she was putting her fingers in boiling water......." Ronald was known to hang out at some kind of local motorcycle gang, a known drug addict apparently with an extensive criminal history.  


You might say to yourself "Why would dcf place a child there?" I couldn't tell you but the local judge makes the final decision....however, once while investigating a backlog case from a worker who left the agency I found a twelve yoa boy that had been placed in a home with a registerd sex offender. When I spoke to the supervisor I was told that he could have contact with children if his probation allowed it. DCF placed that child there with an open case unreal. I resubmitted the case b/c I was not going to close it like that ever.  

Putnams dcf is far far far worse.


Yikes! If this is true I will go with you!!  In the Today Show video with Misty nuging ron at the 7:11 part of the video and the nerves whatever twitching and look at their eyes they look dilated to me once again.  Finally no sunglasses. Actions speak loader than words and this case is starting to show a lot of strange action thru out. ::MonkeyEek::

Heck~I think it has been strange from the begining, but I did notice that and all the points from the eyes for lies blogspot.

If it's true, we may need the SM bail money but it will be worth it...........wonder if we should send that link to LE, or maybe CVZ already did, they could track that IP and find out what he is hearing from the kids in town and question them ::MonkeyNoNo::

I would hope the teacher called it in.  Arent teachers required to report things like this?  And since she had worked for DFS before surely she did report it.  I think LE already know and are just gathering evidence.  The today show video they both look so guilty.



OMG, the idea of that makes me ill.

IslandMonkey imo, a big fat yes! to your question about callinig it in to LE.

I hear you, Jules, and I hate to say this, but I don't want to assume that anyone called, told, or properly reported  anything -- even if they are professionally bound to do so.

Ron is a frightening individual and people in the loop may have weighed "doing the right thing" against what they may have felt  would have posed a real risk to their family's safety. Hence, turning a blind eye; Sadly, it happens.

I'm going to contact the tipline. So what if they already know? What if they don't? I hope more than one call/email reaches the tipline. The contact info was posted somewhere here; I've got to find it again. (I'm a couple of pages behind, so if someone has already re-posted it, then great.)

Not only contacting the tipline/LE, but emailing/contacting Crystal's atty, Kim Picazio seems like a good idea to me too. She may know all she needs to know, but we don't know that; and better safe than sorry.

The reason I bring her up is that she is investigating the former Cummings home environment. As far as I know, the Child Protective Services (or whatever the Florida version of that is called) seals those records from the public - not that she cannot access them, but typically any kind of well-intentioned heads-up is usually appreciated. And who knows? Some tidbit of info like the above passed on to Pacazio could expedite matters. It's worth a shot, is all I'm saying; and I'm going to do it.

I saw Ms. Picazio's website info here; I'll look; If not I'll Google it. When I locate the contact info, I'm going to email Picazio with the above information and she can do with it what she sees fit, if anything. The reason I'm hoping for more than one call/email etc (more than one, but not over kill like 50, so as not to inundate her) is that one email/call can be missed or fizzle out or not get to the right person.... 4 or 5 or 6 likely will not.

Anyway, I'm all in and going to do both. Hey, Luckyday and JerseyGirl, you are familiar with the process, if you guys feel inclined... hint hint :-)

Or IslandMonkey you have useful legit contacts there in Satsuma or close to there, right?

OMG, that whole notion above about Misty, etc is sickening; I so hope it's not true.





Happy Birthday Rana!!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 15, 2009, 01:18:14 PM
Haleigh saw doctors frequently because of the Turner syndrome. If they had noticed something, there would be a record of it.  Here, there is a legal requirement to report. Crystal's lawyer could certainly get access to Haleigh's medical records. Also Crystal had shared custody, she could pull those records too.
Another good point, not to mention her being at school.  Teachers these days, atleast all of the teachers that I know (friends/family/former) ask questions.  People are naturally suspicious, and a child all bandaged would raise question for sure.  She is a small child, and even if she were to lie out of fear, a teacher or adult would be able to tell.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 15, 2009, 01:20:10 PM
Haleigh saw doctors frequently because of the Turner syndrome. If they had noticed something, there would be a record of it.  Here, there is a legal requirement to report. Crystal's lawyer could certainly get access to Haleigh's medical records. Also Crystal had shared custody, she could pull those records too.
Another good point, not to mention her being at school.  Teachers these days, atleast all of the teachers that I know (friends/family/former) ask questions.  People are naturally suspicious, and a child all bandaged would raise question for sure.  She is a small child, and even if she were to lie out of fear, a teacher or adult would be able to tell.

could it be that is why she missed so much school?


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2009, 01:21:02 PM
luckyday, I'm so sorry. Unfortunately I have read way to many child abuse cases were a stove was used and scalding water was used on a child for punishment, it happens way to often.  :smt056


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 15, 2009, 01:21:22 PM
Not sue what Children of the Corn means, but unfortunately, my ex-husband did this to my son when he was two years old. This was before DV laws, back in 1971. I was 21 and very naive. My son is now 39. Very bad memories, but that is what it reminded me of when I saw that You Tube clip. I hope that I am dead wrong!! And, sorry to upset you, Dolce!!!
Sorry that you had to experience that sort of violence, now I can see how you made that extreme jump to that thought.  That is not something I could ever consider or ever would have thought of, not in my wildest dreams.  There are some sick twisted f*cks out there, so sorry to hear that you were married to one but glad you got out.  Just in what we have seen so far, if there was abuse going on in that household of that magnitude, it would have been noticed and/or picked up by someone by now.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 01:21:59 PM
HI ALL YOU SMART MONKEYS...I TO AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ABOUT THE BANDAGES...I ALSO SAW SOMETHING THAT WAS A BIT WIERD TO ME ON THAT U TUBE VIDEO...THERE ARE 2 PICS  WHERE RUN IS TAKEING HALEIGH OUT TO THE BUS STOP..AND IT LOOKS LIKE SHE WAS TRYING TO FIGHT BACK..IT LOOKS LIKE SHE DID NOT AT ALL WANT TO GO..DID ANYONE ELSE NOTICE?? AND HAVE WE HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT HER NOT WANTING TO GO TO SCHOOL..I WONDER IF SHE IS SCARED OF THE BUS DRIVER!!!

I was wondering why there was someone there taking pictures.  And then it dawned on me it was probably her first day of school.  Why else would there be picture taking.  She probably was scared to go to school.  We have all been through that with our children.  But, doesn't sound like a father who doesn't care either.  He wanted to take pictures of the big day.  IMO


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 15, 2009, 01:23:37 PM
could it be that is why she missed so much school?
Maybe, but Florida has a lot of laws in place for families of children who miss so many days per quarter.  DCF investigates and often times a family can and will be fined, or worse a parent or parents will be facing jail time.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 01:28:10 PM
Could her little hands have been burnt? That was my first thought when I saw this clip about two weeks ago. And if so, why would the family release that particular picture??? Maybe Ron/Misty was "teaching" HL a lesson? "Little girl, I've told you before NOT to touch the stove - I'll teach you!!" (Puts her little hands on the burner). All speculation and MOO!!!
Wow my mind can not even go there.  How extremely horrid!  What about taking this down a notch, maybe she had cuts from climbing a tree, falling from her bike to the pavement, or ACCIDENTLY touching a stove top.  What is being suggested here I am not ready to consider, I think that this type of thinking is nearing the deep end. 
Yes, could be nearing the deep end. As I said, this was my first instinct when I saw that you tube clip. Pure speculation on my part.
Children of the Corn hands in boiling water on hot stove was your FIRST instinct???  Wow, sorry I am just completely in shock.  I can not fathom that type of thinking.  I will agree that every single player in this case is sketchy, but looking at the whole picture I just do not see that as being something that could have been done without being somewhere on someones radar.

You may not be able to understand that type of thinking, Dolce, yet it does happen, across the USA and beyond.  You would likely be shocked and disgusted at the many things that have been and continue to be done to children.  Sigh.  In fact, there are sev. ways that water has been used by abusive caregivers in the name of "punishment" for children, both internal and external.  Scalding hot water being one of the ways.  :( 

We don't know for fact that this is what happened to Haleigh, and likely won't know unless/until LE confirms that at some point.  Am sure we're all hoping this is not the case for her.   


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: dsntslp on March 15, 2009, 01:32:12 PM
The picture of Haleigh with her hands bandaged is taken with her sitting on what looks like metal bleachers.  Could the reason for the bandages be a simple as she mildly scorched her hands on the hot metal bleacher?  Perhaps the pic's where she is lying on them is taken later in the day when it is cooler?  Maybe she fell riding her bike?

I think we all know how children at that age want bandaids to cover even the littlest boo boo.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 15, 2009, 01:35:54 PM
could it be that is why she missed so much school?
Maybe, but Florida has a lot of laws in place for families of children who miss so many days per quarter.  DCF investigates and often times a family can and will be fined, or worse a parent or parents will be facing jail time.

I read somewhere that he was about to get in trouble for Haleigh missing so much school.  Something like she had already missed 22 days of school this yr.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 15, 2009, 01:37:28 PM
Haleigh saw doctors frequently because of the Turner syndrome. If they had noticed something, there would be a record of it.  Here, there is a legal requirement to report. Crystal's lawyer could certainly get access to Haleigh's medical records. Also Crystal had shared custody, she could pull those records too.
Another good point, not to mention her being at school.  Teachers these days, atleast all of the teachers that I know (friends/family/former) ask questions.  People are naturally suspicious, and a child all bandaged would raise question for sure.  She is a small child, and even if she were to lie out of fear, a teacher or adult would be able to tell.
I think that in the absence of real facts, ppl are just making stuff up.
But the medical records should be available to LE also. See if there was any history of injuries at all. DFS here has been known to not follow up on things but the reporting is always still on their records too. Our DFS has been a hot topic too many times on the front page of the paper too many times AFTER something terriible has happened.
With Crystal having shared custody wouldn't any concerns have been shared with her ?
Or did she do the reporting and DFS investigated and it was unfounded or explained away to their satisfaction.
From Anna, I think we are hearing the things ( mud slinging ) from the Sheffield side of the family. Sort of a repetition of the sniping that was taking place after Ron got custody. 
From what we've read here, neither Ron or Crystal seemd like good parents, but Ron was living with Ms. Neves and he had family support and was going to make sure that Haleigh did go for treatments at least for the Turners. Hormone shots are one of the treatments and those shots would negate some of the serious health issues for Haleigh well into the future.
For Crystal to not take her for these silly reasons she didn't take her, that a huge form of abuse or just plain not caring. Those medical appointments Haleigh missed would be ver hard for Crystal to 'splain away. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 15, 2009, 01:37:36 PM
You may not be able to understand that type of thinking, Dolce, yet it does happen, across the USA and beyond.  You would likely be shocked and disgusted at the many things that have been and continue to be done to children.  Sigh.  In fact, there are sev. ways that water has been used by abusive caregivers in the name of "punishment" for children, both internal and external.  Scalding hot water being one of the ways.  :( 

We don't know for fact that this is what happened to Haleigh, and likely won't know unless/until LE confirms that at some point.  Am sure we're all hoping this is not the case for her.   

Tragic.  Sorry though, I am not ready to go there with this little girl though, not yet...not just based on a rumor from internet gab.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 15, 2009, 01:38:56 PM
could it be that is why she missed so much school?
Maybe, but Florida has a lot of laws in place for families of children who miss so many days per quarter.  DCF investigates and often times a family can and will be fined, or worse a parent or parents will be facing jail time.

I read somewhere that he was about to get in trouble for Haleigh missing so much school.  Something like she had already missed 22 days of school this yr.
He could get arrested for that unless he is able to prove and provide doctors excuses.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 15, 2009, 01:41:25 PM
I think that in the absence of real facts, ppl are just making stuff up.
But the medical records should be available to LE also. See if there was any history of injuries at all. DFS here has been known to not follow up on things but the reporting is always still on their records too. Our DFS has been a hot topic too many times on the front page of the paper too many times AFTER something terriible has happened.
With Crystal having shared custody wouldn't any concerns have been shared with her ?
Or did she do the reporting and DFS investigated and it was unfounded or explained away to their satisfaction.
From Anna, I think we are hearing the things ( mud slinging ) from the Sheffield side of the family. Sort of a repetition of the sniping that was taking place after Ron got custody. 
From what we've read here, neither Ron or Crystal seemd like good parents, but Ron was living with Ms. Neves and he had family support and was going to make sure that Haleigh did go for treatments at least for the Turners. Hormone shots are one of the treatments and those shots would negate some of the serious health issues for Haleigh well into the future.
For Crystal to not take her for these silly reasons she didn't take her, that a huge form of abuse or just plain not caring. Those medical appointments Haleigh missed would be ver hard for Crystal to 'splain away. 
Again good points Kat. 
To add that extreme burns, especially on a child, is something that would need immediate medical attention to ward off infection...not to mention the scarring would be more than noticable.  I could see Haleigh lying to a teacher to cover for her father out of fear, though she would not be very believable, but I can not see her not letting her mother know in the confinements of her mothers care.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 15, 2009, 01:42:35 PM
Not sue what Children of the Corn means, but unfortunately, my ex-husband did this to my son when he was two years old. This was before DV laws, back in 1971. I was 21 and very naive. My son is now 39. Very bad memories, but that is what it reminded me of when I saw that You Tube clip. I hope that I am dead wrong!! And, sorry to upset you, Dolce!!!
Sorry that you had to experience that sort of violence, now I can see how you made that extreme jump to that thought.  That is not something I could ever consider or ever would have thought of, not in my wildest dreams.  There are some sick twisted f*cks out there, so sorry to hear that you were married to one but glad you got out.  Just in what we have seen so far, if there was abuse going on in that household of that magnitude, it would have been noticed and/or picked up by someone by now.
Thanks all - this happened before "911" was in effect. The police would show up hours after I'd call - "sorry, nothing we can do...did not see it happen." It was extremely frustrating!!!
As far as DCF, they don't have the best rep in Florida. So, I kinda doubt someone would have picked up on Ronald's ways by now - IF these are "his ways" and If so, I think people are afraid of him. Hopefully, this will change now that Cobra will be on scene!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 01:44:21 PM
I think that in the absence of real facts, ppl are just making stuff up.
But the medical records should be available to LE also. See if there was any history of injuries at all. DFS here has been known to not follow up on things but the reporting is always still on their records too. Our DFS has been a hot topic too many times on the front page of the paper too many times AFTER something terriible has happened.
With Crystal having shared custody wouldn't any concerns have been shared with her ?
Or did she do the reporting and DFS investigated and it was unfounded or explained away to their satisfaction.
From Anna, I think we are hearing the things ( mud slinging ) from the Sheffield side of the family. Sort of a repetition of the sniping that was taking place after Ron got custody. 
From what we've read here, neither Ron or Crystal seemd like good parents, but Ron was living with Ms. Neves and he had family support and was going to make sure that Haleigh did go for treatments at least for the Turners. Hormone shots are one of the treatments and those shots would negate some of the serious health issues for Haleigh well into the future.
For Crystal to not take her for these silly reasons she didn't take her, that a huge form of abuse or just plain not caring. Those medical appointments Haleigh missed would be ver hard for Crystal to 'splain away. 
Again good points Kat. 
To add that extreme burns, especially on a child, is something that would need immediate medical attention to ward off infection...not to mention the scarring would be more than noticable.  I could see Haleigh lying to a teacher to cover for her father out of fear, though she would not be very believable, but I can not see her not letting her mother know in the confinements of her mothers care.

And if they needed immediate medical attention the ER doctors would certainly consider abuse.  Especially since this practice is so common with abused children.  They would be obligated to report it to the child protective services.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: klaasend on March 15, 2009, 01:44:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPfuhDG-OM

HL's bandaged hands @1:05


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/haleighhands.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Dolce on March 15, 2009, 01:45:20 PM
Alright movie marathon Sunday is about to commence here at the Dolce house....talk to you Monkeys later!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 01:46:05 PM
Haleigh saw doctors frequently because of the Turner syndrome. If they had noticed something, there would be a record of it.  Here, there is a legal requirement to report. Crystal's lawyer could certainly get access to Haleigh's medical records. Also Crystal had shared custody, she could pull those records too.
Another good point, not to mention her being at school.  Teachers these days, atleast all of the teachers that I know (friends/family/former) ask questions.  People are naturally suspicious, and a child all bandaged would raise question for sure.  She is a small child, and even if she were to lie out of fear, a teacher or adult would be able to tell.

And not to mention the many many days of school that Ron/Misty has allowed Haleigh to miss.  So many it has been reported in the media, that Ron is in danger of having charges brought up on him for that.  Haleigh has been in kindergarten for what, 6 months or so??  That tells me that she very likely has spent more time at home than at school. 

A child with medical reasons for not attending school, would likely have a doctor's note, which would excuse the absence.  For them bringing charges up on Ron tells me that altho he *may have* given the reason for her absences as something to do with her illness, he must not have backed that up with doctor's notes.  And that suggests that whatever the reason Haleigh may have 'been sick', she likely wasn't taken to the doctor. 

No teacher to report suspicious injuries, she likely wasn't at school very often.  Perhaps she only went to school when there were no injuries showing?? 

No doctor to report suspicious injuries, according to court reports, she missed MANY doctor appts.  Perhaps she only went to the doctor when there were no injuries showing? 

Am curious to know if there were any missed visitations with Crystal?  Such as, did Ron cancel any of them or switch around their weekend?  If not, surely Crystal would have noticed injuries and reported them.  We do know that she is suspicious of at least one incident, (where Haleigh supposedly got hurt at school), and that Crystal reports that at least once during a visitation, both children did not want to go back to the Cummings home. 
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 01:50:25 PM
luckyday, I'm so sorry. Unfortunately I have read way to many child abuse cases were a stove was used and scalding water was used on a child for punishment, it happens way to often.  :smt056

And in reading the news, it's staggering to find out that sev. caregivers have resorted to using the microwave.   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked::
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2009, 01:53:38 PM
luckyday, I'm so sorry. Unfortunately I have read way to many child abuse cases were a stove was used and scalding water was used on a child for punishment, it happens way to often.  :smt056

And in reading the news, it's staggering to find out that sev. caregivers have resorted to using the microwave.   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked::
 
Yes, I know, and it seems everytime I say nothing will surprise me anymore, it does.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 15, 2009, 01:53:41 PM
could it be that is why she missed so much school?
Maybe, but Florida has a lot of laws in place for families of children who miss so many days per quarter.  DCF investigates and often times a family can and will be fined, or worse a parent or parents will be facing jail time.

I read somewhere that he was about to get in trouble for Haleigh missing so much school.  Something like she had already missed 22 days of school this yr.
He could get arrested for that unless he is able to prove and provide doctors excuses.

oh I found it.  It was here on SM

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   Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
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Quote from: Wyks on February 20, 2009, 09:54:41 PM
Quote from: nonesuche on February 20, 2009, 07:46:53 PM
Klaas he clearly believes that Ronald beat up Haleigh but he didn't outright state "I know he did it"?

deenie, I didn't hear what you are referring to in the Geraldo broadcast on Bill O Reilly, but I may have missed the very beginning. I was on a work call that finished late.

tcumom, you are welcome. I hope you have a good night and you and your family are doing well.




If that's true, it could be one reason Haleigh supposedly missed so much school.
 


Geraldo says he has a picture that shows a split lip, black eye and bruises on the face.
O'Reilly says that Fox New lawyers are checking it out before they show the picture.
Geraldo is going to Florida tomorrow (so I would expect he will have more on the on his weekend shows).
Geraldo says the picture was taken last November.
He said that Haleigh has missed 22 days of school this year (that really sounds bad to me).
He said that Ronald has a 1 y.o. son by another 17 y.o girl.
Geraldo says this guys guilty of statutory rape with 2 different girls (I remember that Haleigh's mom said that she was pregnant with Haleigh when she was 17).

I would call this "trouble in River City with a capital T"
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: dsntslp on March 15, 2009, 01:54:12 PM
ok...if not hot bleachers it may have been hot asphalt that the roads are made of.  If she fell on hot asphalt while riding her bike her hands would be badly burned/scraped.  Instinct when you fall is to put both hands out.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2009, 01:56:32 PM
I don't know if Misty is pregnant, but if she is, I hope someone steps in and tells her to stop smoking, but I suppose that will fall on deaf ears.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 15, 2009, 01:57:24 PM
Haleigh saw doctors frequently because of the Turner syndrome. If they had noticed something, there would be a record of it.  Here, there is a legal requirement to report. Crystal's lawyer could certainly get access to Haleigh's medical records. Also Crystal had shared custody, she could pull those records too.
Another good point, not to mention her being at school.  Teachers these days, atleast all of the teachers that I know (friends/family/former) ask questions.  People are naturally suspicious, and a child all bandaged would raise question for sure.  She is a small child, and even if she were to lie out of fear, a teacher or adult would be able to tell.

And not to mention the many many days of school that Ron/Misty has allowed Haleigh to miss.  So many it has been reported in the media, that Ron is in danger of having charges brought up on him for that.  Haleigh has been in kindergarten for what, 6 months or so??  That tells me that she very likely has spent more time at home than at school. 

A child with medical reasons for not attending school, would likely have a doctor's note, which would excuse the absence.  For them bringing charges up on Ron tells me that altho he *may have* given the reason for her absences as something to do with her illness, he must not have backed that up with doctor's notes.  And that suggests that whatever the reason Haleigh may have 'been sick', she likely wasn't taken to the doctor. 

No teacher to report suspicious injuries, she likely wasn't at school very often.  Perhaps she only went to school when there were no injuries showing?? 

No doctor to report suspicious injuries, according to court reports, she missed MANY doctor appts.  Perhaps she only went to the doctor when there were no injuries showing? 

Am curious to know if there were any missed visitations with Crystal?  Such as, did Ron cancel any of them or switch around their weekend?   If not, surely Crystal would have noticed injuries and reported them.  We do know that she is suspicious of at least one incident, (where Haleigh supposedly got hurt at school), and that Crystal reports that at least once during a visitation, both children did not want to go back to the Cummings home. 
 

great question!! I hope they have looked into that.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 15, 2009, 02:00:55 PM
If CS has heard these same stories it would make sense why she and her lawyer are trying to get Jr outta there fast!  And that could be why they got married so fast to show that ron believes she wouldnt hurt his children and he is in a stable relationship with her now...

Yes, it certainly would.........also in your question above, I don't know the sex of the poster, but he/she was a former DCF worker in that area



Just jumpin in before I got to go to  work about the finger tips and boiling water-Haleigh had those sorta white gauge gloves on in one of those pictures I seen on the internet.. ::MonkeyShocked::
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Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 02:04:19 PM
Not sue what Children of the Corn means, but unfortunately, my ex-husband did this to my son when he was two years old. This was before DV laws, back in 1971. I was 21 and very naive. My son is now 39. Very bad memories, but that is what it reminded me of when I saw that You Tube clip. I hope that I am dead wrong!! And, sorry to upset you, Dolce!!!
Sorry that you had to experience that sort of violence, now I can see how you made that extreme jump to that thought.  That is not something I could ever consider or ever would have thought of, not in my wildest dreams.  There are some sick twisted f*cks out there, so sorry to hear that you were married to one but glad you got out.  Just in what we have seen so far, if there was abuse going on in that household of that magnitude, it would have been noticed and/or picked up by someone by now.

Sorry Dolce, not trying to pick on you or your posts, am just reading along without even looking at avi's, answering what gets my attention, just happens to be yours is all, k? 

That said.. I disagree with the part above that I bolded.  While we would *hope and pray* this would happen, tragically it doesn't.  Severely abused children slip thru the cracks at staggering amounts.  Perhaps less in these days than years ago, true.  And that's because of folks keeping their eyes open and reporting what they see. 

I won't go into detail of what happened to me as a child, and to many others that I'm aware of, as it would likely make everyone lose their last meal.  Suffice it to say, that it included the most shocking and severe abuse possible to a child.  I yearned for someone outside the family to notice.  When no one did, I even told sev. people.  My sunday school teacher, my gym teacher at school.  But since they knew my so-called 'mother' (gag me) as a supposedly upstanding citizen, wife of a baptist deacon, they told me to quit lying.   ::MonkeyEek:: 

We cannot assume that everyone would know if a child in a home is being severely abused or mistreated in some way.  Most abusers go to GREAT lengths to insure that the abuse is not discovered, to the point of threatening the victim with more (or worse) if they ever told. 
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 02:05:18 PM
Well.. this won't make me very popular, just feel like it needs to be said.  Hopefully it won't offend too many folks. 

One concern is the running of the license plate by a blogger's LE family member to satisfy the curiousity of bloggers.  This to me is an invasion of privacy that isn't necessary.  We as bloggers on the net can sleuth things out from info already available to the public.  And of course, whatever info LE already involved with this case, releases to us.  But that's my opinion, for what it's worth. 

Another concern is that in another case a similiar thing happened, LE family member ran plates, and got into trouble at work for doing personal business on company time as well as using company equipment.  Wouldn't want for that to happen to someone else, if they hadn't thought it thru. 
 
Not trying to get on a high horse.  Just expressing some concerns. 
 


Good points and concerns, Wyks about tag running etc; And you're right - doing something untoward or inappriopriate is not the way to go. However, (you knew I'd have a pesky "however")  :-)   I have a sincere question.

Does anyone have a link to the entity that's handling the account and taking donations for the Cummings family?

(Was it that funeral parlor dude?) Where I'm going with that thought is this. This may differ by state; IKD; But as far as I know, typically, when folks ask for donations they are usually (I want to say "legally" ) obligated or encouraged to clearly state somewhere for what the donations are to be allocated. IOW, for example, donations for ABC... for the XYZ family.... or such.

Do we know how the Cummings' donation account is worded? Anyone have a link or info on that?

Also, the person who volunteered to run the tag is an officer? (I didn't catch that part, but I assume it is someone who is authorized to access tag info, right?)

Get to the point already.

If someone who has made a donation (or maybe even someone who is contemplating making a donation?) has a concern about how the funds are being used, does that constitute a legit tip such that an officer who is authorized to access tag info has a legit reason to openly run a tag and fill out any related reporting docs as to why he/she wants to run the tag?

IOW, does our tag question constitute valid concern regarding suspicion of donation fraud or misappropriation of donated funds?? (IDK the proper word here;) Is that a legit reason? And if it all checks out, then great! The donations are being used appropriately and we can throw Ron a parade for doing something right.

Disclaimer: just a question about how a private citizen (one of us, for example) would go about reporting suspicion of donation-hanky-panky to the LE and what LE could then "do " about it as to.... in what way it relates to running a tag, if any. TIA.  :-)



 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: dsntslp on March 15, 2009, 02:06:59 PM
If her hands were placed in boiling water the tips would be burned also.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 15, 2009, 02:07:19 PM
Haleigh saw doctors frequently because of the Turner syndrome. If they had noticed something, there would be a record of it.  Here, there is a legal requirement to report. Crystal's lawyer could certainly get access to Haleigh's medical records. Also Crystal had shared custody, she could pull those records too.
Another good point, not to mention her being at school.  Teachers these days, atleast all of the teachers that I know (friends/family/former) ask questions.  People are naturally suspicious, and a child all bandaged would raise question for sure.  She is a small child, and even if she were to lie out of fear, a teacher or adult would be able to tell.

And not to mention the many many days of school that Ron/Misty has allowed Haleigh to miss.  So many it has been reported in the media, that Ron is in danger of having charges brought up on him for that.  Haleigh has been in kindergarten for what, 6 months or so??  That tells me that she very likely has spent more time at home than at school. 

A child with medical reasons for not attending school, would likely have a doctor's note, which would excuse the absence.  For them bringing charges up on Ron tells me that altho he *may have* given the reason for her absences as something to do with her illness, he must not have backed that up with doctor's notes.  And that suggests that whatever the reason Haleigh may have 'been sick', she likely wasn't taken to the doctor. 

No teacher to report suspicious injuries, she likely wasn't at school very often.  Perhaps she only went to school when there were no injuries showing?? 

No doctor to report suspicious injuries, according to court reports, she missed MANY doctor appts.  Perhaps she only went to the doctor when there were no injuries showing? 

Am curious to know if there were any missed visitations with Crystal?  Such as, did Ron cancel any of them or switch around their weekend?   If not, surely Crystal would have noticed injuries and reported them.  We do know that she is suspicious of at least one incident, (where Haleigh supposedly got hurt at school), and that Crystal reports that at least once during a visitation, both children did not want to go back to the Cummings home. 
 

great question!! I hope they have looked into that.

I do remember when CS was first asked when was the last time she saw Haleigh she said two weeks ago and her visitations were suppose to be every other weekend


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 02:12:02 PM
luckyday, I'm so sorry. Unfortunately I have read way to many child abuse cases were a stove was used and scalding water was used on a child for punishment, it happens way to often.  :smt056

And in reading the news, it's staggering to find out that sev. caregivers have resorted to using the microwave.   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked::
 
Yes, I know, and it seems everytime I say nothing will surprise me anymore, it does.

Oh I hear ya, NoRose!  It's almost to the point that I rarely say that anymore, just in case it's inviting worse to hear and know.  Sigh


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 02:19:49 PM
Not sue what Children of the Corn means, but unfortunately, my ex-husband did this to my son when he was two years old. This was before DV laws, back in 1971. I was 21 and very naive. My son is now 39. Very bad memories, but that is what it reminded me of when I saw that You Tube clip. I hope that I am dead wrong!! And, sorry to upset you, Dolce!!!
Sorry that you had to experience that sort of violence, now I can see how you made that extreme jump to that thought.  That is not something I could ever consider or ever would have thought of, not in my wildest dreams.  There are some sick twisted f*cks out there, so sorry to hear that you were married to one but glad you got out.  Just in what we have seen so far, if there was abuse going on in that household of that magnitude, it would have been noticed and/or picked up by someone by now.

Sorry Dolce, not trying to pick on you or your posts, am just reading along without even looking at avi's, answering what gets my attention, just happens to be yours is all, k? 

That said.. I disagree with the part above that I bolded.  While we would *hope and pray* this would happen, tragically it doesn't.  Severely abused children slip thru the cracks at staggering amounts.  Perhaps less in these days than years ago, true.  And that's because of folks keeping their eyes open and reporting what they see. 

I won't go into detail of what happened to me as a child, and to many others that I'm aware of, as it would likely make everyone lose their last meal.  Suffice it to say, that it included the most shocking and severe abuse possible to a child.  I yearned for someone outside the family to notice.  When no one did, I even told sev. people.  My sunday school teacher, my gym teacher at school.  But since they knew my so-called 'mother' (gag me) as a supposedly upstanding citizen, wife of a baptist deacon, they told me to quit lying.   ::MonkeyEek:: 

We cannot assume that everyone would know if a child in a home is being severely abused or mistreated in some way.  Most abusers go to GREAT lengths to insure that the abuse is not discovered, to the point of threatening the victim with more (or worse) if they ever told. 
 


So.Much.Word. to Wyks whole post. And I agree with Wyks too in that no offense meant to Dolce. Being sweet and trusting is an attribute, imo; And it seems that Dolce is trying to see the good in people. I want to see the good too, but I've seen so many exceptions to the rule, that I'm afriad I've become a bit jaded in some respects.

I do NOT feel certain that the proper authorities would have been notified even if professionals were made aware of a reportable situation. I say that b/c Ron is frightening to me and I have never even met him. I can only imagine in how I would feel if I lived there and were faced with the decision of reporting something nefarious invloving his home environment;

Don't get me wrong; I would definitely report it anyway, - regardless; But it would be terrifying. IOW, I'd be immediately shopping for a high tech security system, a glock, and a permit to carry a concealed weapon right after I made the report.. Jus' sayin'

 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: luckyday on March 15, 2009, 02:21:40 PM
luckyday, I'm so sorry. Unfortunately I have read way to many child abuse cases were a stove was used and scalding water was used on a child for punishment, it happens way to often.  :smt056

And in reading the news, it's staggering to find out that sev. caregivers have resorted to using the microwave.   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked::
 
Yes, I know, and it seems everytime I say nothing will surprise me anymore, it does.

Oh I hear ya, NoRose!  It's almost to the point that I rarely say that anymore, just in case it's inviting worse to hear and know.  Sigh

Thanks. It was a long, long time ago but still remains vivid in my mind. And the statement you made about abused children "falling through the cracks" is right on the money. It's a very sad state of affairs. And Wykes, thank for sharing snippets of your childhood. I know that must be difficult to do. All I can say, what I witnessed and endured made me a stronger individual and I can spot an abuser a mile away!!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 02:22:15 PM
GRACE: Why do you speak of Haleigh -- why do you speak of Haleigh in the past tense? I notice that you said Haleigh was a child with a lot of physical problems.

PICAZIO: Because she doesn`t have those physical problems anymore
.

Did anyone see this episode of the Nancy Grace show.  It was the new attorneys first interview.  I think the statements above are very interesting.  I also wonder based on her ( attorney)last statement to what extent Haleigh still has problems with TS. 



Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 15, 2009, 02:25:23 PM
rana:

Watts Funeral Home in San Mateo has been the entity that has supplied the tents, flyers, buttons and T-shirts to help find Haleigh. They are also the ones who set up the Bank of America account for donations.

http://www.wattsfuneralhomes.com/





Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 02:29:53 PM
Well.. this won't make me very popular, just feel like it needs to be said.  Hopefully it won't offend too many folks. 

One concern is the running of the license plate by a blogger's LE family member to satisfy the curiousity of bloggers.  This to me is an invasion of privacy that isn't necessary.  We as bloggers on the net can sleuth things out from info already available to the public.  And of course, whatever info LE already involved with this case, releases to us.  But that's my opinion, for what it's worth. 

Another concern is that in another case a similiar thing happened, LE family member ran plates, and got into trouble at work for doing personal business on company time as well as using company equipment.  Wouldn't want for that to happen to someone else, if they hadn't thought it thru. 
 
Not trying to get on a high horse.  Just expressing some concerns. 
 


Good points and concerns, Wyks about tag running etc; And you're right - doing something untoward or inappriopriate is not the way to go. However, (you knew I'd have a pesky "however")  :-)   I have a sincere question.

Does anyone have a link to the entity that's handling the account and taking donations for the Cummings family?

(Was it that funeral parlor dude?) Where I'm going with that thought is this. This may differ by state; IKD; But as far as I know, typically, when folks ask for donations they are usually (I want to say "legally" ) obligated or encouraged to clearly state somewhere for what the donations are to be allocated. IOW, for  example, donations for ABC... for the XYZ family.... or such.
Do we know how the Cummings' donation account is worded? Anyone have a link or info on that?  
Also, the person who volunteered to run the tag is an officer? (I didn't catch that part, but I assume it is someone who is authorized to access tag info, right?)

Get to the point already.

If someone who has made a donation (or maybe even someone who is contemplating making a donation?) has a concern about how the funds are being used, does that constitute a legit tip such that an officer who is authorized to access tag info has a legit reason to openly run a tag and fill out any related reporting docs as to why he/she wants to run the tag?

IOW, does our tag question constitute valid concern regarding suspicion of donation fraud or misappropriation of donated funds?? (IDK the proper word here;) Is that a legit reason? And if it all checks out, then great! The donations are being used appropriately and we can throw Ron a parade for doing something right.

Disclaimer: just a question about how a private citizen (one of us, for example) would go about reporting suspicion of donation-hanky-panky to the LE and what LE could then "do " about it as to.... in what way it relates to running a tag, if any. TIA.  :-)

 

I have never heard any of either family "asK" for donations.  But, maybe I just missed it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 02:31:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPfuhDG-OM

HL's bandaged hands @1:05


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/haleighhands.jpg)


Thank you so much for that pic, Klaas

When that photo montage was released we all were commenting on how beautiful it is - me included. I asked here about why Haleigh's hands appeared to be wrapped in gauze.

A fellow monkey told me that it was a kids' gloves, dress-up-play, fashion thing and since I'm never in the loop on trends such as that, I wondered if I had seen gauze where there was none. It looked like gauze to me, but the consensus was that it was dress-up play gloves. So then after the suggestion was made that those were just "play" gloves, then it looked to me that they could be gloves as well as gauze.

I guess it's hard to tell what it is? Gauze or gloves?  And I further wonder who took the photo. Why take a photo of a child with gauze on her hands? (semi rhetorical question there)

 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 15, 2009, 02:32:08 PM
Not sue what Children of the Corn means, but unfortunately, my ex-husband did this to my son when he was two years old. This was before DV laws, back in 1971. I was 21 and very naive. My son is now 39. Very bad memories, but that is what it reminded me of when I saw that You Tube clip. I hope that I am dead wrong!! And, sorry to upset you, Dolce!!!
Sorry that you had to experience that sort of violence, now I can see how you made that extreme jump to that thought.  That is not something I could ever consider or ever would have thought of, not in my wildest dreams.  There are some sick twisted f*cks out there, so sorry to hear that you were married to one but glad you got out.  Just in what we have seen so far, if there was abuse going on in that household of that magnitude, it would have been noticed and/or picked up by someone by now.

Sorry Dolce, not trying to pick on you or your posts, am just reading along without even looking at avi's, answering what gets my attention, just happens to be yours is all, k? 

That said.. I disagree with the part above that I bolded.  While we would *hope and pray* this would happen, tragically it doesn't.  Severely abused children slip thru the cracks at staggering amounts.  Perhaps less in these days than years ago, true.  And that's because of folks keeping their eyes open and reporting what they see. 

I won't go into detail of what happened to me as a child, and to many others that I'm aware of, as it would likely make everyone lose their last meal.  Suffice it to say, that it included the most shocking and severe abuse possible to a child.  I yearned for someone outside the family to notice.  When no one did, I even told sev. people.  My sunday school teacher, my gym teacher at school.  But since they knew my so-called 'mother' (gag me) as a supposedly upstanding citizen, wife of a baptist deacon, they told me to quit lying.   ::MonkeyEek:: 

We cannot assume that everyone would know if a child in a home is being severely abused or mistreated in some way.  Most abusers go to GREAT lengths to insure that the abuse is not discovered, to the point of threatening the victim with more (or worse) if they ever told. 
 


So.Much.Word. to Wyks whole post. And I agree with Wyks too in that no offense meant to Dolce. Being sweet and trusting is an attribute, imo; And it seems that Dolce is trying to see the good in people. I want to see the good too, but I've seen so many exceptions to the rule, that I'm afriad I've become a bit jaded in some respects.

I do NOT feel certain that the proper authorities would have been notified even if professionals were made aware of a reportable situation. I say that b/c Ron is frightening to me and I have never even met him. I can only imagine in how I would feel if I lived there and were faced with the decision of reporting something nefarious invloving his home environment;

Don't get me wrong; I would definitely report it anyway, - regardless; But it would be terrifying. IOW, I'd be immediately shopping for a high tech security system, a glock, and a permit to carry a concealed weapon right after I made the report.. Jus' sayin'

 
if someone could get a hold of Cobra and have him go to the school...talk to teachers and students.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 02:32:10 PM
Thanks Rana!  What is curious to me is that in the last three high-profile cases I have followed, it has been discovered by bloggers that the donations to each of those have been used inappropriately.   There are ways for the public to find out how these donations are being used.  I'm not sure of all the ways cuz I didn't get into that aspect of research.  Have watched others involved with that tho, am thinking the first step was to check for the donations going to a non-profit thingy?  If there are donations given to someone in a missing child's case (for example), they'd have to be registered with 'such and such', as a non-profit thing.  And thing they'd get a number of sorts.  Most of these who are taking donations must show that number to the public.  So running down that number with the IRS or whoever is something that anyone in the public can do.  When verified by IRS, or whoever, that confirms that the folks receiving the donations are on the up and up.  And then, they are required to show to the public how those donations are being used.  And yeppers, in some cases, it's been proven by bloggers digging into this area, that the folks are indeed using the donations for personal things. 

Such as.. In the Stacy Peterson case, it was discovered thru the means above, that the search boat (supposedly bought by Stacy's family using the donation money) actually was never once used in any of the searches.  But used many times for personal gain. 

In another case, a family whose home burned down was given donations by town-folks to help the family get back on their feet, new home, clothes, food, etc.  The money was proven to have been spent on a motorcycle by the father instead. 

I could go on and on...

There are ways to find this stuff out, just using the info available to the public and making some calls.  Sorry I can't remember the technical terms for all that.  Sigh.  For the last sev. years have been losing some short term recall ability.  It sux getting old. 
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 15, 2009, 02:33:28 PM
Another picture to go along with the one Klaas posted of the bandaged hands:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/6.png)

Without evidence that shows physical abuse, I am thinking that people on the Internet have seen these pictures and come up with their own reasons why she has bandages on her hands.

Could be a perfectly legitimate reason that she had them on. Kids get hurt by their own volition, ya know, no matter how well they are supervised.

We just don't know the reason she is wearing them. I think sometimes people see pictures and make up stories that could go along with them.

JMO.



Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 02:33:53 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked::  Oh crapola~ I just called Marie to again extend my offer of assistance as they no longer have a place to stay at night, but I had to mention the post I brought over from the Clint Van Zandt site (formerdcfinvestigators)....anyway, she put me on the phone with someone very significant in this case because she thought they should hear the info too.

I read the post and then they asked me to forward it to them in an e-mail, they also had heard very similar stories ::MonkeyEek:: they were going to share this with LE, and Kim Picazio asap. They told me they already had heard from over 89 people about stricter than the norm punishment in this case ::MonkeyNoNo:: I am SICK right now..........

The family had seen her hands bandaged in November from other photos etc. I'm just glad this information is going to a source I feel can get to the bottom of it, and they do feel they have a good idea who is behind all of this........nuff said on that.

Also, Haleighs things were left in the trailer, there was a purse Crystal bought for Haleigh that they offered to give her back instead of a teddy bear etc., but Crystal wanted the purse she bought her to stay at the trailer for when Haleigh came home ::MonkeyWaa::

My heart is broken


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 02:36:35 PM
could it be that is why she missed so much school?
Maybe, but Florida has a lot of laws in place for families of children who miss so many days per quarter.  DCF investigates and often times a family can and will be fined, or worse a parent or parents will be facing jail time.

I read somewhere that he was about to get in trouble for Haleigh missing so much school.  Something like she had already missed 22 days of school this yr.
He could get arrested for that unless he is able to prove and provide doctors excuses.

oh I found it.  It was here on SM

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   Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #2
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Quote from: Wyks on February 20, 2009, 09:54:41 PM
Quote from: nonesuche on February 20, 2009, 07:46:53 PM
Klaas he clearly believes that Ronald beat up Haleigh but he didn't outright state "I know he did it"?

deenie, I didn't hear what you are referring to in the Geraldo broadcast on Bill O Reilly, but I may have missed the very beginning. I was on a work call that finished late.

tcumom, you are welcome. I hope you have a good night and you and your family are doing well.




If that's true, it could be one reason Haleigh supposedly missed so much school.
 


Geraldo says he has a picture that shows a split lip, black eye and bruises on the face.
O'Reilly says that Fox New lawyers are checking it out before they show the picture.
Geraldo is going to Florida tomorrow (so I would expect he will have more on the on his weekend shows).
Geraldo says the picture was taken last November.
He said that Haleigh has missed 22 days of school this year (that really sounds bad to me).
He said that Ronald has a 1 y.o. son by another 17 y.o girl.
Geraldo says this guys guilty of statutory rape with 2 different girls (I remember that Haleigh's mom said that she was pregnant with Haleigh when she was 17).

I would call this "trouble in River City with a capital T"
 

I saw this interview also and have wondered where the picture of Haleigh is.  Does it exist and if so let's see it.  If it does exist I wonder who furnished it to Gerald.  Oh what a tangled  web.  I want some facts LE.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 02:38:28 PM
luckyday, I'm so sorry. Unfortunately I have read way to many child abuse cases were a stove was used and scalding water was used on a child for punishment, it happens way to often.  :smt056


And in reading the news, it's staggering to find out that sev. caregivers have resorted to using the microwave.   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked::
 

Yes, I know, and it seems everytime I say nothing will surprise me anymore, it does.




OMG, yes so sad.

EDs (aka Emergency Rooms) have all too many kids who have suffered horrible "accidents." And those are the "lucky" ones who make it to the hospital.

**sob**






Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 02:39:47 PM
If her hands were placed in boiling water the tips would be burned also.

That's sure seems to be true!  My guess is that *IF* scalding water was used on Haleigh, and her hands bandaged, the way they are bandaged suggest that perhaps the water was poured into her cupped hands, rather than her fingers being placed in that.  I dunno really, that's my guess. 

Had she fallen off her bike or tripped or something, am thinking her knees and elbows might get scraped up a bit too.  But her knees/legs/arms look fine to me, at least with the view in that pic.  It looks to be just her hands, perhaps the palms of her hands. 
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: momm0f4 on March 15, 2009, 02:41:05 PM
I really don't have any speculation about the gauze on the hands, I don't see someone taking pics of her with it on if it were on there for a horrible reason..

On a side note, has this guy been checked out at all? He seemed to be pretty in love with Misty, they were together 3 years, long shot but could be a possibility that he thought "you took my prized posesion, Ill take yours"

http://latino.myspace.com/robsiedel


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2009, 02:41:22 PM
Oh IM, this is sad, I sure hope something is done, and if need be the little boy Ron, is placed somewhere safer for him. I am concerned for him as well.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 02:43:10 PM
::MonkeyShocked::  Oh crapola~ I just called Marie to again extend my offer of assistance as they no longer have a place to stay at night, but I had to mention the post I brought over from the Clint Van Zandt site (formerdcfinvestigators)....anyway, she put me on the phone with someone very significant in this case because she thought they should hear the info too.

I read the post and then they asked me to forward it to them in an e-mail, they also had heard very similar stories ::MonkeyEek:: they were going to share this with LE, and Kim Picazio asap. They told me they already had heard from over 89 people about stricter than the norm punishment in this case ::MonkeyNoNo:: I am SICK right now..........

The family had seen her hands bandaged in November from other photos etc. I'm just glad this information is going to a source I feel can get to the bottom of it, and they do feel they have a good idea who is behind all of this........nuff said on that.

Also, Haleighs things were left in the trailer, there was a purse Crystal bought for Haleigh that they offered to give her back instead of a teddy bear etc., but Crystal wanted the purse she bought her to stay at the trailer for when Haleigh came home ::MonkeyWaa::

My heart is broken


OMG, mine too;  I just feel sick.



.....Great, great work as always; Way to go, girl -- IslandMonkey

<<< BIG HUGS>>>





Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2009, 02:43:12 PM
I really don't have any speculation about the gauze on the hands, I don't see someone taking pics of her with it on if it were on there for a horrible reason..

On a side note, has this guy been checked out at all? He seemed to be pretty in love with Misty, they were together 3 years, long shot but could be a possibility that he thought "you took my prized posesion, Ill take yours"

http://latino.myspace.com/robsiedel
In her young years Misty sure has had a lot of boyfriends.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 15, 2009, 02:43:12 PM
If her hands were placed in boiling water the tips would be burned also.

That's sure seems to be true!  My guess is that *IF* scalding water was used on Haleigh, and her hands bandaged, the way they are bandaged suggest that perhaps the water was poured into her cupped hands, rather than her fingers being placed in that.  I dunno really, that's my guess. 

Had she fallen off her bike or tripped or something, am thinking her knees and elbows might get scraped up a bit too.  But her knees/legs/arms look fine to me, at least with the view in that pic.  It looks to be just her hands, perhaps the palms of her hands. 
 

Could just as well be rope burns from swinging on a tire swing (like monkeys love to do) .. or a multitude of childhood injuries from playing.

Just saying because we see bandages on a kid does not mean the injuries they sustained were from abuse.

JMO.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 02:43:54 PM
Oh IM, this is sad, I sure hope something is done, and if need be the little boy Ron, is placed somewhere safer for him. I am concerned for him as well.

I agree~by the time I got off the phone I was shaking


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 02:44:26 PM
::MonkeyShocked::  Oh crapola~ I just called Marie to again extend my offer of assistance as they no longer have a place to stay at night, but I had to mention the post I brought over from the Clint Van Zandt site (formerdcfinvestigators)....anyway, she put me on the phone with someone very significant in this case because she thought they should hear the info too.

I read the post and then they asked me to forward it to them in an e-mail, they also had heard very similar stories ::MonkeyEek:: they were going to share this with LE, and Kim Picazio asap. They told me they already had heard from over 89 people about stricter than the norm punishment in this case ::MonkeyNoNo:: I am SICK right now..........

The family had seen her hands bandaged in November from other photos etc. I'm just glad this information is going to a source I feel can get to the bottom of it, and they do feel they have a good idea who is behind all of this........nuff said on that.

Also, Haleighs things were left in the trailer, there was a purse Crystal bought for Haleigh that they offered to give her back instead of a teddy bear etc., but Crystal wanted the purse she bought her to stay at the trailer for when Haleigh came home ::MonkeyWaa::

My heart is broken

If they saw her hands bandaged in November why didn't they inquire or do something then. IJA  Or for that matter all the people who are talking now why didn't they tell someone long ago.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2009, 02:45:51 PM
Minnie that is a good question, maybe were afraid to get involved? Just throwing that out there, I have no idea.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 02:47:19 PM
::MonkeyShocked::  Oh crapola~ I just called Marie to again extend my offer of assistance as they no longer have a place to stay at night, but I had to mention the post I brought over from the Clint Van Zandt site (formerdcfinvestigators)....anyway, she put me on the phone with someone very significant in this case because she thought they should hear the info too.

I read the post and then they asked me to forward it to them in an e-mail, they also had heard very similar stories ::MonkeyEek:: they were going to share this with LE, and Kim Picazio asap. They told me they already had heard from over 89 people about stricter than the norm punishment in this case ::MonkeyNoNo:: I am SICK right now..........

The family had seen her hands bandaged in November from other photos etc. I'm just glad this information is going to a source I feel can get to the bottom of it, and they do feel they have a good idea who is behind all of this........nuff said on that.

Also, Haleighs things were left in the trailer, there was a purse Crystal bought for Haleigh that they offered to give her back instead of a teddy bear etc., but Crystal wanted the purse she bought her to stay at the trailer for when Haleigh came home ::MonkeyWaa::

My heart is broken


OMG, mine too;  I just feel sick.



.....Great, great work as always; Way to go, girl -- IslandMonkey

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Thanks~you no me, I am a fierce child advocate because what my son endured.......and Marie was so quick to give her phone to xxxxxxxx that I believe she correlated seeing her bandaged hands and thought it was a pretty important piece of info, and so did the person I spoke with after her ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 15, 2009, 02:47:28 PM
GRACE: Why do you speak of Haleigh -- why do you speak of Haleigh in the past tense? I notice that you said Haleigh was a child with a lot of physical problems.

PICAZIO: Because she doesn`t have those physical problems anymore
.

Did anyone see this episode of the Nancy Grace show.  It was the new attorneys first interview.  I think the statements above are very interesting.  I also wonder based on her ( attorney)last statement to what extent Haleigh still has problems with TS. 

Ms Neves had said Haleigh had been very sick in the past. Pneumonia ?
Something else was that Haleigh was more prone to illnesses.
..
I would  like to know just what the hey and where the hey those 2 kids were on Saturday & Sunday. Were they with the Sykes or the Neves GrandMa ? I still think that whatever was going on for the two to three days before the Monday and who it was going on with is a key element.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 02:49:14 PM
::MonkeyShocked::  Oh crapola~ I just called Marie to again extend my offer of assistance as they no longer have a place to stay at night, but I had to mention the post I brought over from the Clint Van Zandt site (formerdcfinvestigators)....anyway, she put me on the phone with someone very significant in this case because she thought they should hear the info too.

I read the post and then they asked me to forward it to them in an e-mail, they also had heard very similar stories ::MonkeyEek:: they were going to share this with LE, and Kim Picazio asap. They told me they already had heard from over 89 people about stricter than the norm punishment in this case ::MonkeyNoNo:: I am SICK right now..........

The family had seen her hands bandaged in November from other photos etc. I'm just glad this information is going to a source I feel can get to the bottom of it, and they do feel they have a good idea who is behind all of this........nuff said on that.

Also, Haleighs things were left in the trailer, there was a purse Crystal bought for Haleigh that they offered to give her back instead of a teddy bear etc., but Crystal wanted the purse she bought her to stay at the trailer for when Haleigh came home ::MonkeyWaa::

My heart is broken

If they saw her hands bandaged in November why didn't they inquire or do something then. IJA  Or for that matter all the people who are talking now why didn't they tell someone long ago.

Maybe they did and were told something else to appease their concern, as for the people in town~fear possibly or apathy


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 15, 2009, 02:50:48 PM
::MonkeyShocked::  Oh crapola~ I just called Marie to again extend my offer of assistance as they no longer have a place to stay at night, but I had to mention the post I brought over from the Clint Van Zandt site (formerdcfinvestigators)....anyway, she put me on the phone with someone very significant in this case because she thought they should hear the info too.

I read the post and then they asked me to forward it to them in an e-mail, they also had heard very similar stories ::MonkeyEek:: they were going to share this with LE, and Kim Picazio asap. They told me they already had heard from over 89 people about stricter than the norm punishment in this case ::MonkeyNoNo:: I am SICK right now..........

The family had seen her hands bandaged in November from other photos etc. I'm just glad this information is going to a source I feel can get to the bottom of it, and they do feel they have a good idea who is behind all of this........nuff said on that.

Also, Haleighs things were left in the trailer, there was a purse Crystal bought for Haleigh that they offered to give her back instead of a teddy bear etc., but Crystal wanted the purse she bought her to stay at the trailer for when Haleigh came home ::MonkeyWaa::

My heart is broken

Thank you for sharing that IM.  But I was afriad that is was the case.  JMO but if MoRon/fibsty didnt want to go back into that home is because they couldnt stand to be there with the memories...bad ones.  If the last memory of your child at home were good ones wouldnt you want to stay there and wait for her to come home.  But if they were bad and you knew she wasnt coming home...


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2009, 02:51:20 PM
GRACE: Why do you speak of Haleigh -- why do you speak of Haleigh in the past tense? I notice that you said Haleigh was a child with a lot of physical problems.

PICAZIO: Because she doesn`t have those physical problems anymore
.

Did anyone see this episode of the Nancy Grace show.  It was the new attorneys first interview.  I think the statements above are very interesting.  I also wonder based on her ( attorney)last statement to what extent Haleigh still has problems with TS. 

Ms Neves had said Haleigh had been very sick in the past. Pneumonia ?
Something else was that Haleigh was more prone to illnesses.
..
I would  like to know just what the hey and where the hey those 2 kids were on Saturday & Sunday. Were they with the Sykes or the Neves GrandMa ? I still think that whatever was going on for the two to three days before the Monday and who it was going on with is a key element.
Yes, I agree. And if, the rumor is true, and again I say if, Misty was on a three day bender, why oh why would you leave your children in her care?  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 02:51:41 PM
So.Much.Word. to Wyks whole post. And I agree with Wyks too in that no offense meant to Dolce. Being sweet and trusting is an attribute, imo; And it seems that Dolce is trying to see the good in people. I want to see the good too, but I've seen so many exceptions to the rule, that I'm afriad I've become a bit jaded in some respects.

I do NOT feel certain that the proper authorities would have been notified even if professionals were made aware of a reportable situation. I say that b/c Ron is frightening to me and I have never even met him. I can only imagine in how I would feel if I lived there and were faced with the decision of reporting something nefarious invloving his home environment;

Don't get me wrong; I would definitely report it anyway, - regardless; But it would be terrifying. IOW, I'd be immediately shopping for a high tech security system, a glock, and a permit to carry a concealed weapon right after I made the report.. Jus' sayin'

 

Thank you, Rana!  Agree with the feeling about Ron.  Am thinking this could be why not much is getting said to LE now, even tho there is a missing child.  Fear can do a number on folks!  Unfortunately....

And to quote from the Stacy Peterson case... "Nothing says 'I love you' like a glock!"  (that's what Stacy received from Drew one Valentines Day)


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 02:53:05 PM

Oh IM, this is sad, I sure hope something is done, and if need be the little boy Ron, is placed somewhere safer for him. I am concerned for him as well.



Me too, No Rose; ....Poor little Jr.

Please don't flame me (not talking to you now, No Rose;) but I hope they don't just palm Jr. off to the paternal grandparents (b/c CS didn't have residential custody). IMO, Ron learned whatever he learned about "discipline" and "childcare" from somewhere.

Also, I thought it was creepy during Ron's interviews when he mentioned, what seemed to me an inordinate amount of times,  something to the effect of, "That is a well mannered little girl... the best behaved child I ever had..." and other seemingly random comments about "mannered" and "behaved" that didn't really fit with whatever question the reported had asked.




Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 02:55:30 PM
::MonkeyShocked::  Oh crapola~ I just called Marie to again extend my offer of assistance as they no longer have a place to stay at night, but I had to mention the post I brought over from the Clint Van Zandt site (formerdcfinvestigators)....anyway, she put me on the phone with someone very significant in this case because she thought they should hear the info too.

I read the post and then they asked me to forward it to them in an e-mail, they also had heard very similar stories ::MonkeyEek:: they were going to share this with LE, and Kim Picazio asap. They told me they already had heard from over 89 people about stricter than the norm punishment in this case ::MonkeyNoNo:: I am SICK right now..........

The family had seen her hands bandaged in November from other photos etc. I'm just glad this information is going to a source I feel can get to the bottom of it, and they do feel they have a good idea who is behind all of this........nuff said on that.

Also, Haleighs things were left in the trailer, there was a purse Crystal bought for Haleigh that they offered to give her back instead of a teddy bear etc., but Crystal wanted the purse she bought her to stay at the trailer for when Haleigh came home ::MonkeyWaa::

My heart is broken

If they saw her hands bandaged in November why didn't they inquire or do something then. IJA  Or for that matter all the people who are talking now why didn't they tell someone long ago.

Maybe they did and were told something else to appease their concern, as for the people in town~fear possibly or apathy

IM Good Point.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 02:57:17 PM
GRACE: Why do you speak of Haleigh -- why do you speak of Haleigh in the past tense? I notice that you said Haleigh was a child with a lot of physical problems.

PICAZIO: Because she doesn`t have those physical problems anymore
.

Did anyone see this episode of the Nancy Grace show.  It was the new attorneys first interview.  I think the statements above are very interesting.  I also wonder based on her ( attorney)last statement to what extent Haleigh still has problems with TS. 

Ms Neves had said Haleigh had been very sick in the past. Pneumonia ?
Something else was that Haleigh was more prone to illnesses.
..
I would  like to know just what the hey and where the hey those 2 kids were on Saturday & Sunday. Were they with the Sykes or the Neves GrandMa ? I still think that whatever was going on for the two to three days before the Monday and who it was going on with is a key element.
Yes, I agree. And if, the rumor is true, and again I say if, Misty was on a three day bender, why oh why would you leave your children in her care?  ::MonkeyEek::

Good question.  I wondered that too.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Searching on March 15, 2009, 02:58:06 PM
 Le did not want ANYONE searching on their own.  All search parties were to have 2 LEO's with them at all times.  I believe this was the reason the first days searches were so late in starting out.  Searches ended up having close to, if not more then 100 people in fingertip to fingertip lines in order to accommodate this mandate from LE.
Ron was not allowed by LE to search on his own.  I guess we could say "How could anyone stop him, it is a free country"  But when LE says "NO" in the midst of an investigation people had better listen.
Things may be different now, he may be able to search on his own.  Does he have access to the maps that show what has been previously searched?  It would be futile to try and search without those maps.  Has he even asked for them?  Would LE let him see them if he did ask?
 Searching on his own in the woods would be a very dangerous activity.  There are bogs in those woods that act like quick sand.  You can be on herd ground and the next step you take you are in up to your waist in muck.  Getting out of that muck with no help may be next to impossible if you do not know to lie down flat out and then try to get out.
 Also, consider if he did find her.  Just his body in the area would give off skin cells and the scene where she is found is contaminated. If he did come across her, then everyone would cry foul and say he already knew she was there.Some  people already have him guilty in their own minds so no matter what he does, it looks wrong.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 03:02:04 PM
Thanks. It was a long, long time ago but still remains vivid in my mind. And the statement you made about abused children "falling through the cracks" is right on the money. It's a very sad state of affairs. And Wykes, thank for sharing snippets of your childhood. I know that must be difficult to do. All I can say, what I witnessed and endured made me a stronger individual and I can spot an abuser a mile away!!

You're welcome, Lucky!  I went from being too frightened to share what happened to me, to being able to speak of it freely now.  Because I realized, as do many others, that sharing our experiences helps in healing, for both the speaker and those listening/reading.  Amazing how that happens.  And you're right, we do become stronger because of what we've experienced.  One reason we can spot an abuser is because we've had to learn early on for our own survival to be very very aware and alert.  After getting out of that situation, we as survivors might not always listen to that still small voice inside us, warning us, yet somewhere deep down we are aware.  That's one reason why we can spot an abuser, it sends red flags down for us.  Yep.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: danabar on March 15, 2009, 03:02:09 PM
Jules,
MoRon and Fibsty.....you hit the nail on the head!       ::MonkeyHaHa::

I agree with you completely about going back into the house. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Searching on March 15, 2009, 03:03:38 PM
Le did not want ANYONE searching on their own.  All search parties were to have 2 LEO's with them at all times.  I believe this was the reason the first days searches were so late in starting out.  Searches ended up having close to, if not more then 100 people in fingertip to fingertip lines in order to accommodate this mandate from LE.
Ron was not allowed by LE to search on his own.  I guess we could say "How could anyone stop him, it is a free country"  But when LE says "NO" in the midst of an investigation people had better listen.
Things may be different now, he may be able to search on his own.  Does he have access to the maps that show what has been previously searched?  It would be futile to try and search without those maps.  Has he even asked for them?  Would LE let him see them if he did ask?
 Searching on his own in the woods would be a very dangerous activity.  There are bogs in those woods that act like quick sand.  You can be on hard ground and the next step you take you are in up to your waist in muck.  Getting out of that muck with no help may be next to impossible if you do not know to lie down flat out and then try to get out.
 Also, consider if he did find her.  Just his body in the area would give off skin cells and the scene where she is found is contaminated. If he did come across her, then everyone would cry foul and say he already knew she was there.Some  people already have him guilty in their own minds so no matter what he does, it looks wrong.
Self edit to fix a typo...


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 03:05:31 PM
Happy Birthday Rana~in all the hoopla this afternoon I forgot to send you birthday wishes ::MonkeyDance:: ok, nanners


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2009, 03:06:46 PM
Thanks. It was a long, long time ago but still remains vivid in my mind. And the statement you made about abused children "falling through the cracks" is right on the money. It's a very sad state of affairs. And Wykes, thank for sharing snippets of your childhood. I know that must be difficult to do. All I can say, what I witnessed and endured made me a stronger individual and I can spot an abuser a mile away!!

You're welcome, Lucky!  I went from being too frightened to share what happened to me, to being able to speak of it freely now.  Because I realized, as do many others, that sharing our experiences helps in healing, for both the speaker and those listening/reading.  Amazing how that happens.  And you're right, we do become stronger because of what we've experienced.  One reason we can spot an abuser is because we've had to learn early on for our own survival to be very very aware and alert.  After getting out of that situation, we as survivors might not always listen to that still small voice inside us, warning us, yet somewhere deep down we are aware.  That's one reason why we can spot an abuser, it sends red flags down for us.  Yep.

:smt056 I appreciate  your candor and other people on this forum, who have endured such horrible things, all of you should be so proud of yourselves for what you do to help people become more aware of these issues, and I'm sure in return some people have made their lives better because of it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 03:07:27 PM
::MonkeyShocked::  Oh crapola~ I just called Marie to again extend my offer of assistance as they no longer have a place to stay at night, but I had to mention the post I brought over from the Clint Van Zandt site (formerdcfinvestigators)....anyway, she put me on the phone with someone very significant in this case because she thought they should hear the info too.

I read the post and then they asked me to forward it to them in an e-mail, they also had heard very similar stories ::MonkeyEek:: they were going to share this with LE, and Kim Picazio asap. They told me they already had heard from over 89 people about stricter than the norm punishment in this case ::MonkeyNoNo:: I am SICK right now..........

The family had seen her hands bandaged in November from other photos etc. I'm just glad this information is going to a source I feel can get to the bottom of it, and they do feel they have a good idea who is behind all of this........nuff said on that.

Also, Haleighs things were left in the trailer, there was a purse Crystal bought for Haleigh that they offered to give her back instead of a teddy bear etc., but Crystal wanted the purse she bought her to stay at the trailer for when Haleigh came home ::MonkeyWaa::

My heart is broken

If they saw her hands bandaged in November why didn't they inquire or do something then. IJA  Or for that matter all the people who are talking now why didn't they tell someone long ago.

Maybe they did and were told something else to appease their concern, as for the people in town~fear possibly or apathy

IM Good Point.

Abusers learn very easily how to "explain" things away to deflect others from digging deeper, MOO I would be willing to bet that's what happened in this case ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Searching on March 15, 2009, 03:09:09 PM
I also have to say, Crystals new lawyer said on tv that they would be pursuing custody and now says they are not.. Why back peddle...You said you were going to do it.. what changed?


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 03:11:54 PM
Actually, just looked again at that pic of Haleigh with her hands bandaged... And I take back what I said about her knees looking fine.  Her right knee *looks like* it's pretty banged up.  Thanks for the enlarged pic!!  So maybe she did fall off her bike or something prior to this pic and the palms of her hands may have gotten scraped badly.  A guess..


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 03:16:53 PM
::MonkeyShocked::  Oh crapola~ I just called Marie to again extend my offer of assistance as they no longer have a place to stay at night, but I had to mention the post I brought over from the Clint Van Zandt site (formerdcfinvestigators)....anyway, she put me on the phone with someone very significant in this case because she thought they should hear the info too.

I read the post and then they asked me to forward it to them in an e-mail, they also had heard very similar stories ::MonkeyEek:: they were going to share this with LE, and Kim Picazio asap. They told me they already had heard from over 89 people about stricter than the norm punishment in this case ::MonkeyNoNo:: I am SICK right now..........

The family had seen her hands bandaged in November from other photos etc. I'm just glad this information is going to a source I feel can get to the bottom of it, and they do feel they have a good idea who is behind all of this........nuff said on that.

Also, Haleighs things were left in the trailer, there was a purse Crystal bought for Haleigh that they offered to give her back instead of a teddy bear etc., but Crystal wanted the purse she bought her to stay at the trailer for when Haleigh came home ::MonkeyWaa::

My heart is broken

So it's true that they did leave Haleigh's things in the home??   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyWaa::

This is all soooooooo very sad!!  Thanks for contacting them, IM!! 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 03:19:49 PM
::MonkeyShocked::  Oh crapola~ I just called Marie to again extend my offer of assistance as they no longer have a place to stay at night, but I had to mention the post I brought over from the Clint Van Zandt site (formerdcfinvestigators)....anyway, she put me on the phone with someone very significant in this case because she thought they should hear the info too.

I read the post and then they asked me to forward it to them in an e-mail, they also had heard very similar stories ::MonkeyEek:: they were going to share this with LE, and Kim Picazio asap. They told me they already had heard from over 89 people about stricter than the norm punishment in this case ::MonkeyNoNo:: I am SICK right now..........

The family had seen her hands bandaged in November from other photos etc. I'm just glad this information is going to a source I feel can get to the bottom of it, and they do feel they have a good idea who is behind all of this........nuff said on that.

Also, Haleighs things were left in the trailer, there was a purse Crystal bought for Haleigh that they offered to give her back instead of a teddy bear etc., but Crystal wanted the purse she bought her to stay at the trailer for when Haleigh came home ::MonkeyWaa::

My heart is broken

So it's true that they did leave Haleigh's things in the home??   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyWaa::

This is all soooooooo very sad!!  Thanks for contacting them, IM!! 


Yes.......but in all fairness, I think they left most things in the home~maybe they had no where to take them ( ::MonkeyConfused:: trying to think of an excuse for it ).

What was more important to me was the verification (NOT FROM MARIE), that the story of her hands had been rumored before around Putnam County


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 15, 2009, 03:20:55 PM
I made a call to CFS here about a neighbour. They listened to me.
I stated my concerns, she was a foster parent to 2 fetal alcohol kids. The husband worked away five days a week and this woman was in over her head. Lots of crying from the kiddos, lots of yelling from the foster Mom.
They never got back to me, but I was much more aware of the situation and was willing to follow up more, but within a month, there was a another person there sometimes and the kids were being picked up for a special day care Mon to Fri. She wasn't a bad person and anyone who takes in kids as she was doing must have had the right motivation at the beginning. I could not take in high needs kids with special needs and do the right thing for them 24/7, year in year out.
I never picked up that the Mom knew it was me who made the call.
It took me a long time to make that call and I had to talk it over with a friend who worked at DFS on the finance end of it and my daughter who both encouraged me to call as I was really fretting about it to the point where I was going to go there and do something stupid on my own one night. Like lose my temper while I lectured her not to lose hers. lol 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 03:20:56 PM

I saw this interview also and have wondered where the picture of Haleigh is.  Does it exist and if so let's see it.  If it does exist I wonder who furnished it to Gerald.  Oh what a tangled  web.  I want some facts LE.

Crystal/family furnished that pic to Geraldo.  I saw it.  Doesn't look to me either like Haleigh got those injuries from falling down at school.  I have three sons who were always active and getting scraped up etc.  The injuries Haleigh had in that pic weren't consistent (IMO) with a fall.  More like a slap/blow to the head/face area.  That's my opinion though.  And Crystal's too. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 03:24:23 PM
I really don't have any speculation about the gauze on the hands, I don't see someone taking pics of her with it on if it were on there for a horrible reason..

On a side note, has this guy been checked out at all? He seemed to be pretty in love with Misty, they were together 3 years, long shot but could be a possibility that he thought "you took my prized posesion, Ill take yours"

http://latino.myspace.com/robsiedel

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked:: 




Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 03:28:33 PM
If her hands were placed in boiling water the tips would be burned also.

That's sure seems to be true!  My guess is that *IF* scalding water was used on Haleigh, and her hands bandaged, the way they are bandaged suggest that perhaps the water was poured into her cupped hands, rather than her fingers being placed in that.  I dunno really, that's my guess. 

Had she fallen off her bike or tripped or something, am thinking her knees and elbows might get scraped up a bit too.  But her knees/legs/arms look fine to me, at least with the view in that pic.  It looks to be just her hands, perhaps the palms of her hands. 
 


True, Wyks. And good catch on the elbows, knees BTW. As for the water, it takes time to boil water, and time can't likely be spent waiting on water to boil when there is "discipline" to be administered; However, OTOH, water heated in a container in a microwave is "faster" and "more convenient." *sad sigh*

Also, I didn't want to say this, but Dsntslp's comment about the tips of the fingers brings me to add this. Not that it applies here, I'm just adding a comment on the subject in general.

In some cases of kids' burns (if these are burns, that is) the hands... palms.... backs of the hands, in absence of significant injury to the fingertips can be indicative of a child's hands being held over the eye of a stove.

The child's arms are held by the offender, so the offender doesn't get burned; and the child's palms (or backs of the hands, as the case may be) are held over the heat/flame on the stove.

When the palms are burned, the child can't pick up items that they may have dropped or accidently broken or "touched without permission." Proportedly that is the sick "lesson" the child is supposed to "learn." "Don't touch things that aren't yours."

HORRIFIC.

Of course, a child can get curious and burn him/herself on the stove, but once the burn HURTS the child, he/she pulls his hands AWAY.




Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Foggy Dew on March 15, 2009, 03:31:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPfuhDG-OM

HL's bandaged hands @1:05


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/haleighhands.jpg)


Thank you so much for that pic, Klaas

When that photo montage was released we all were commenting on how beautiful it is - me included. I asked here about why Haleigh's hands appeared to be wrapped in gauze.

A fellow monkey told me that it was a kids' gloves, dress-up-play, fashion thing and since I'm never in the loop on trends such as that, I wondered if I had seen gauze where there was none. It looked like gauze to me, but the consensus was that it was dress-up play gloves. So then after the suggestion was made that those were just "play" gloves, then it looked to me that they could be gloves as well as gauze.

I guess it's hard to tell what it is? Gauze or gloves?  And I further wonder who took the photo. Why take a photo of a child with gauze on her hands? (semi rhetorical question there)

 


Looks like guaze and plastic wrap to me. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 03:31:26 PM

I saw this interview also and have wondered where the picture of Haleigh is.  Does it exist and if so let's see it.  If it does exist I wonder who furnished it to Gerald.  Oh what a tangled  web.  I want some facts LE.

Crystal/family furnished that pic to Geraldo.  I saw it.  Doesn't look to me either like Haleigh got those injuries from falling down at school.  I have three sons who were always active and getting scraped up etc.  The injuries Haleigh had in that pic weren't consistent (IMO) with a fall.  More like a slap/blow to the head/face area.  That's my opinion though.  And Crystal's too. 


Do you have a link?  I would like to see it also. Do you know when it happened? 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 03:32:36 PM

Oh IM, this is sad, I sure hope something is done, and if need be the little boy Ron, is placed somewhere safer for him. I am concerned for him as well.



Me too, No Rose; ....Poor little Jr.

Please don't flame me (not talking to you now, No Rose;) but I hope they don't just palm Jr. off to the paternal grandparents (b/c CS didn't have residential custody). IMO, Ron learned whatever he learned about "discipline" and "childcare" from somewhere.

Also, I thought it was creepy during Ron's interviews when he mentioned, what seemed to me an inordinate amount of times,  something to the effect of, "That is a well mannered little girl... the best behaved child I ever had..." and other seemingly random comments about "mannered" and "behaved" that didn't really fit with whatever question the reported had asked.


Sometimes (depending on who says it and how) those words can be very chilling.  And I get those chills when Ron said that. 

I was an extremely well mannered child.  Had to be!!  Cuz I knew very early on what would happen to me afterward, or when we got home, had I dared step out of line. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 03:32:37 PM

I saw this interview also and have wondered where the picture of Haleigh is.  Does it exist and if so let's see it.  If it does exist I wonder who furnished it to Gerald.  Oh what a tangled  web.  I want some facts LE.

Crystal/family furnished that pic to Geraldo.  I saw it.  Doesn't look to me either like Haleigh got those injuries from falling down at school.  I have three sons who were always active and getting scraped up etc.  The injuries Haleigh had in that pic weren't consistent (IMO) with a fall.  More like a slap/blow to the head/face area.  That's my opinion though.  And Crystal's too. 



Me too, Wyks.

Also, she may have indeed fallen at school AND something else happened at home. The hospital visit/s IIRC were a week after the school fall.





Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 03:35:49 PM
Thanks. It was a long, long time ago but still remains vivid in my mind. And the statement you made about abused children "falling through the cracks" is right on the money. It's a very sad state of affairs. And Wykes, thank for sharing snippets of your childhood. I know that must be difficult to do. All I can say, what I witnessed and endured made me a stronger individual and I can spot an abuser a mile away!!

You're welcome, Lucky!  I went from being too frightened to share what happened to me, to being able to speak of it freely now.  Because I realized, as do many others, that sharing our experiences helps in healing, for both the speaker and those listening/reading.  Amazing how that happens.  And you're right, we do become stronger because of what we've experienced.  One reason we can spot an abuser is because we've had to learn early on for our own survival to be very very aware and alert.  After getting out of that situation, we as survivors might not always listen to that still small voice inside us, warning us, yet somewhere deep down we are aware.  That's one reason why we can spot an abuser, it sends red flags down for us.  Yep.

:smt056 I appreciate  your candor and other people on this forum, who have endured such horrible things, all of you should be so proud of yourselves for what you do to help people become more aware of these issues, and I'm sure in return some people have made their lives better because of it.

For myself and others perhaps too timid to speak about it, thank you NoRose! 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: jules3699 on March 15, 2009, 03:37:28 PM
I have to step away for awhile my heart is breaking for Haleigh and Crystal, butterbean, Marie and all who love her.  I so hoped Haleigh will be found safe!!  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Foggy Dew on March 15, 2009, 03:39:24 PM
GRACE: Why do you speak of Haleigh -- why do you speak of Haleigh in the past tense? I notice that you said Haleigh was a child with a lot of physical problems.

PICAZIO: Because she doesn`t have those physical problems anymore
.

Did anyone see this episode of the Nancy Grace show.  It was the new attorneys first interview.  I think the statements above are very interesting.  I also wonder based on her ( attorney)last statement to what extent Haleigh still has problems with TS. 

Ms Neves had said Haleigh had been very sick in the past. Pneumonia ?
Something else was that Haleigh was more prone to illnesses.
..
I would  like to know just what the hey and where the hey those 2 kids were on Saturday & Sunday. Were they with the Sykes or the Neves GrandMa ? I still think that whatever was going on for the two to three days before the Monday and who it was going on with is a key element.


Kat, too bad Picazio wasn't pressed, or if so it was edited out.  I take it to mean one of two things: either Haleigh is now housed at a safe haven and is recieving appropriate nurturing and medical care or they have knowledge that she is gone forever.  :2thinky:  I wonder if there is any other way to interpret those statements or were they simply intended to be inflammatory or suggestive?  :smt102

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 03:40:45 PM

Oh IM, this is sad, I sure hope something is done, and if need be the little boy Ron, is placed somewhere safer for him. I am concerned for him as well.



Me too, No Rose; ....Poor little Jr.

Please don't flame me (not talking to you now, No Rose;) but I hope they don't just palm Jr. off to the paternal grandparents (b/c CS didn't have residential custody). IMO, Ron learned whatever he learned about "discipline" and "childcare" from somewhere.

Also, I thought it was creepy during Ron's interviews when he mentioned, what seemed to me an inordinate amount of times,  something to the effect of, "That is a well mannered little girl... the best behaved child I ever had..." and other seemingly random comments about "mannered" and "behaved" that didn't really fit with whatever question the reported had asked.


Sometimes (depending on who says it and how) those words can be very chilling.  And I get those chills when Ron said that. 

I was an extremely well mannered child.  Had to be!!  Cuz I knew very early on what would happen to me afterward, or when we got home, had I dared step out of line. 


Here is a post from Player at WS (supposedly checked out to be Ron's last neighbor in the mobile home park)...I thought his words were odd about discipline so I saved his post:



player 
Registered User   Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: satsuma florida
Posts: 7 
 
To all that replied to my post. Thanks. I believe in fairness. I know Ron and yes he is a little different that me, but he is a great father and was really a good disciplinarian. Both Haliegh and Jr. were respectful, polite and above all neat and clean to a fault. As a former Union Rep with almost 4500 constituents I have learned that it is what lies beneath that really matters. I stick with Ron. The comment about Crystal is just that and that is where we get off track by trying to suggest something more sinister. Thanks to all concerning his record. I feel relieved that we can be and are a fair forum. 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 03:40:46 PM
I also have to say, Crystals new lawyer said on tv that they would be pursuing custody and now says they are not.. Why back peddle...You said you were going to do it.. what changed?

Hmmmmm... Great questions, Searching! 

Last I heard that new atty say, was that she was gonna go back to the start of the custody issues and look into it all, beginning from the start.  Wonder if she's had enough time to do that yet.   
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: NCSunny on March 15, 2009, 03:41:26 PM
Hey  how come some of our words have green lines underneith them when we didnt put them there?

It's some stuff that Dugga was testing out tonight.  He said he'll be turning if off tonight.  It was just a test.  I told him I didn't like it.



 ::MonkeyConfused:: I thought maybe it was something for St.Patrick's day...LOL sorry, I am worn out from packing & trying to catch up here.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 03:43:13 PM
Actually, just looked again at that pic of Haleigh with her hands bandaged... And I take back what I said about her knees looking fine.  Her right knee *looks like* it's pretty banged up.  Thanks for the enlarged pic!!  So maybe she did fall off her bike or something prior to this pic and the palms of her hands may have gotten scraped badly.  A guess..


Ok, now here's where it gets weird!!  In the pic of Haleigh lying on the bleachers, her right knee looks fine.  But in the pic of her sitting up, her right knee looks banged up.  Anyone else see this?  Or do I need to clean my bifocals?    ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyTongue::




Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 03:45:22 PM

Looks like guaze and plastic wrap to me. 



It looked like gauze to me too, Foggy Dew; Some other posters at the time (not you) were suggesting that I was making something out of nothing; so since I couldn't "prove it" I agreed to disagree and relented that it could appear to be either play-gloves or gauze. But it looked like gauze to me initially..... and it still does. **sigh**




Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 03:46:11 PM
Actually, just looked again at that pic of Haleigh with her hands bandaged... And I take back what I said about her knees looking fine.  Her right knee *looks like* it's pretty banged up.  Thanks for the enlarged pic!!  So maybe she did fall off her bike or something prior to this pic and the palms of her hands may have gotten scraped badly.  A guess..


Ok, now here's where it gets weird!!  In the pic of Haleigh lying on the bleachers, her right knee looks fine.  But in the pic of her sitting up, her right knee looks banged up.  Anyone else see this?  Or do I need to clean my bifocals?    ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyTongue::



I thought it looked like a shadow, some type of optical illusion as I noticed the very pic you did of her lying on the bleachers.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 03:47:52 PM
Actually, just looked again at that pic of Haleigh with her hands bandaged... And I take back what I said about her knees looking fine.  Her right knee *looks like* it's pretty banged up.  Thanks for the enlarged pic!!  So maybe she did fall off her bike or something prior to this pic and the palms of her hands may have gotten scraped badly.  A guess..


Ok, now here's where it gets weird!!  In the pic of Haleigh lying on the bleachers, her right knee looks fine.  But in the pic of her sitting up, her right knee looks banged up.  Anyone else see this?  Or do I need to clean my bifocals?    ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyTongue::




There could have been two separate, unrelated events y'all.


 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 03:50:29 PM
I made a call to CFS here about a neighbour. They listened to me.
I stated my concerns, she was a foster parent to 2 fetal alcohol kids. The husband worked away five days a week and this woman was in over her head. Lots of crying from the kiddos, lots of yelling from the foster Mom.
They never got back to me, but I was much more aware of the situation and was willing to follow up more, but within a month, there was a another person there sometimes and the kids were being picked up for a special day care Mon to Fri. She wasn't a bad person and anyone who takes in kids as she was doing must have had the right motivation at the beginning. I could not take in high needs kids with special needs and do the right thing for them 24/7, year in year out.
I never picked up that the Mom knew it was me who made the call.
It took me a long time to make that call and I had to talk it over with a friend who worked at DFS on the finance end of it and my daughter who both encouraged me to call as I was really fretting about it to the point where I was going to go there and do something stupid on my own one night. Like lose my temper while I lectured her not to lose hers. lol 

Thanks for making that call, KatGram!  It could have turned tragic had you not, so am glad you did!  Sounds like she was just overwhelmed, and she was given some much needed support.  Otherwise they likely would have taken those kids, but they didn't, she got help from some programs. 

DFS/CPS (whichever it's called in the different states), won't tell the person who it was that called in the info, even if/when that person asks.  But am glad that they took you seriously and acted on the children's behalf!

See?  Even one person in this world can make a difference in the lives of children!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 03:50:48 PM
Actually, just looked again at that pic of Haleigh with her hands bandaged... And I take back what I said about her knees looking fine.  Her right knee *looks like* it's pretty banged up.  Thanks for the enlarged pic!!  So maybe she did fall off her bike or something prior to this pic and the palms of her hands may have gotten scraped badly.  A guess..


Ok, now here's where it gets weird!!  In the pic of Haleigh lying on the bleachers, her right knee looks fine.  But in the pic of her sitting up, her right knee looks banged up.  Anyone else see this?  Or do I need to clean my bifocals?    ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyTongue::




You are right and I noticed that too.  but, it might just be a distortion appearing after the pic was enlarged.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 03:54:40 PM

True, Wyks. And good catch on the elbows, knees BTW. As for the water, it takes time to boil water, and time can't likely be spent waiting on water to boil when there is "discipline" to be administered; However, OTOH, water heated in a container in a microwave is "faster" and "more convenient." *sad sigh*

Also, I didn't want to say this, but Dsntslp's comment about the tips of the fingers brings me to add this. Not that it applies here, I'm just adding a comment on the subject in general.

In some cases of kids' burns (if these are burns, that is) the hands... palms.... backs of the hands, in absence of significant injury to the fingertips can be indicative of a child's hands being held over the eye of a stove.

The child's arms are held by the offender, so the offender doesn't get burned; and the child's palms (or backs of the hands, as the case may be) are held over the heat/flame on the stove.

When the palms are burned, the child can't pick up items that they may have dropped or accidently broken or "touched without permission." Proportedly that is the sick "lesson" the child is supposed to "learn." "Don't touch things that aren't yours."

HORRIFIC.

Of course, a child can get curious and burn him/herself on the stove, but once the burn HURTS the child, he/she pulls his hands AWAY.


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Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 03:55:50 PM
GRACE: Why do you speak of Haleigh -- why do you speak of Haleigh in the past tense? I notice that you said Haleigh was a child with a lot of physical problems.

PICAZIO: Because she doesn`t have those physical problems anymore
.

Did anyone see this episode of the Nancy Grace show.  It was the new attorneys first interview.  I think the statements above are very interesting.  I also wonder based on her ( attorney)last statement to what extent Haleigh still has problems with TS. 

Ms Neves had said Haleigh had been very sick in the past. Pneumonia ?
Something else was that Haleigh was more prone to illnesses.
..
I would  like to know just what the hey and where the hey those 2 kids were on Saturday & Sunday. Were they with the Sykes or the Neves GrandMa ? I still think that whatever was going on for the two to three days before the Monday and who it was going on with is a key element.


Kat, too bad Picazio wasn't pressed, or if so it was edited out.  I take it to mean one of two things: either Haleigh is now housed at a safe haven and is recieving appropriate nurturing and medical care or they have knowledge that she is gone forever.  :2thinky:  I wonder if there is any other way to interpret those statements or were they simply intended to be inflammatory or suggestive?  :smt102

Foggy


If we're talking about Picazio's statement in answer to NG of -PICAZIO: "Because she doesn`t have those physical problems anymore.

I don't know what "problems" were listed and that is relevant to the answer.

But in absence of knowing to what "problems " they are referring (I missed that part of the show) my guess would be that she's referring to something treated and resolved. In other words, my nephew had strep throat. He was treated; He recovered; And he no longer has it.

MOO





Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 03:56:28 PM
Le did not want ANYONE searching on their own.  All search parties were to have 2 LEO's with them at all times.  I believe this was the reason the first days searches were so late in starting out.  Searches ended up having close to, if not more then 100 people in fingertip to fingertip lines in order to accommodate this mandate from LE.
Ron was not allowed by LE to search on his own.  I guess we could say "How could anyone stop him, it is a free country"  But when LE says "NO" in the midst of an investigation people had better listen.
Things may be different now, he may be able to search on his own.  Does he have access to the maps that show what has been previously searched?  It would be futile to try and search without those maps.  Has he even asked for them?  Would LE let him see them if he did ask?
 Searching on his own in the woods would be a very dangerous activity.  There are bogs in those woods that act like quick sand.  You can be on herd ground and the next step you take you are in up to your waist in muck.  Getting out of that muck with no help may be next to impossible if you do not know to lie down flat out and then try to get out.

 Also, consider if he did find her.  Just his body in the area would give off skin cells and the scene where she is found is contaminated. If he did come across her, then everyone would cry foul and say he already knew she was there.Some  people already have him guilty in their own minds so no matter what he does, it looks wrong.

I think this is an excellent post and makes total sense.  Your points are very good especially the last paragraph.  And they seem to be carefully thought out.  I believe I have heard people heading up searches saying the same thing.  Tim from EquiSearch for one.  I also heard him say that they don't want the parents or family searching because they might find remains.  They want to save them that grief.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 03:56:50 PM

I saw this interview also and have wondered where the picture of Haleigh is.  Does it exist and if so let's see it.  If it does exist I wonder who furnished it to Gerald.  Oh what a tangled  web.  I want some facts LE.

Crystal/family furnished that pic to Geraldo.  I saw it.  Doesn't look to me either like Haleigh got those injuries from falling down at school.  I have three sons who were always active and getting scraped up etc.  The injuries Haleigh had in that pic weren't consistent (IMO) with a fall.  More like a slap/blow to the head/face area.  That's my opinion though.  And Crystal's too. 


Do you have a link?  I would like to see it also. Do you know when it happened? 

No, I don't have a link, it was on Geraldo's show. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 03:58:09 PM

I saw this interview also and have wondered where the picture of Haleigh is.  Does it exist and if so let's see it.  If it does exist I wonder who furnished it to Gerald.  Oh what a tangled  web.  I want some facts LE.

Crystal/family furnished that pic to Geraldo.  I saw it.  Doesn't look to me either like Haleigh got those injuries from falling down at school.  I have three sons who were always active and getting scraped up etc.  The injuries Haleigh had in that pic weren't consistent (IMO) with a fall.  More like a slap/blow to the head/face area.  That's my opinion though.  And Crystal's too. 


Do you have a link?  I would like to see it also. Do you know when it happened? 

No, I don't have a link, it was on Geraldo's show. 


Forgot to add, on his show when he had Crystal and Jr being interviewed.  That's when they showed the pic. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2009, 04:00:21 PM

Oh IM, this is sad, I sure hope something is done, and if need be the little boy Ron, is placed somewhere safer for him. I am concerned for him as well.



Me too, No Rose; ....Poor little Jr.

Please don't flame me (not talking to you now, No Rose;) but I hope they don't just palm Jr. off to the paternal grandparents (b/c CS didn't have residential custody). IMO, Ron learned whatever he learned about "discipline" and "childcare" from somewhere.

Also, I thought it was creepy during Ron's interviews when he mentioned, what seemed to me an inordinate amount of times,  something to the effect of, "That is a well mannered little girl... the best behaved child I ever had..." and other seemingly random comments about "mannered" and "behaved" that didn't really fit with whatever question the reported had asked.


Sometimes (depending on who says it and how) those words can be very chilling.  And I get those chills when Ron said that. 

I was an extremely well mannered child.  Had to be!!  Cuz I knew very early on what would happen to me afterward, or when we got home, had I dared step out of line. 


Here is a post from Player at WS (supposedly checked out to be Ron's last neighbor in the mobile home park)...I thought his words were odd about discipline so I saved his post:



player 
Registered User   Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: satsuma florida
Posts: 7 
 
To all that replied to my post. Thanks. I believe in fairness. I know Ron and yes he is a little different that me, but he is a great father and was really a good disciplinarian. Both Haliegh and Jr. were respectful, polite and above all neat and clean to a fault. As a former Union Rep with almost 4500 constituents I have learned that it is what lies beneath that really matters. I stick with Ron. The comment about Crystal is just that and that is where we get off track by trying to suggest something more sinister. Thanks to all concerning his record. I feel relieved that we can be and are a fair forum. 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


I have read every post by this person who is suppose to be a neighbor of Ron. My opinion, I don't think this person is who he says he is, something very odd with his posts about Ron and Misty. Again, my opinion. Like many have doubts about AnnaFl, I have my doubts on this person.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 04:01:27 PM



Kat, too bad Picazio wasn't pressed, or if so it was edited out.  I take it to mean one of two things: either Haleigh is now housed at a safe haven and is recieving appropriate nurturing and medical care or they have knowledge that she is gone forever.  :2thinky:  I wonder if there is any other way to interpret those statements or were they simply intended to be inflammatory or suggestive?  :smt102

Foggy


Ooops! I messed up the quote; It was supposed to look like this.

Sorry, 'bout that, Foggy Dew.
   :-)


If we're talking about Picazio's statement in answer to NG of:
PICAZIO: "Because she doesn`t have those physical problems anymore.

I don't know what "problems" were listed and that is relevant to the answer.

But in absence of knowing to what "problems " they are referring (I missed that part of the show) my guess would be that she's referring to something treated and resolved. In other words, my nephew had strep throat. He was treated; He recovered; And he no longer has it.

MOO




Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 04:04:05 PM



Kat, too bad Picazio wasn't pressed, or if so it was edited out.  I take it to mean one of two things: either Haleigh is now housed at a safe haven and is recieving appropriate nurturing and medical care or they have knowledge that she is gone forever.  :2thinky:  I wonder if there is any other way to interpret those statements or were they simply intended to be inflammatory or suggestive?  :smt102

Foggy


Ooops! I messed up the quote; It was supposed to look like this.

Sorry, 'bout that, Foggy Dew.
   :-)


If we're talking about Picazio's statement in answer to NG of:
PICAZIO: "Because she doesn`t have those physical problems anymore.

I don't know what "problems" were listed and that is relevant to the answer.

But in absence of knowing to what "problems " they are referring (I missed that part of the show) my guess would be that she's referring to something treated and resolved. In other words, my nephew had strep throat. He was treated; He recovered; And he no longer has it.

MOO




Rana~you have nanners ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: NCSunny on March 15, 2009, 04:05:03 PM
OK guys, I have something bugging my head tonight and I am not very good with maps....How far does Ron's mom live from Ron and how far is the bus stop from Ron's house??

IIRC~she lives 12-15 miles away.......I 'll have to check the GVS transcripts. What;s bugging you Darla?

Why would she drive 12 to 15 miles to pick Haleigh up at the bus stop ? She said she picked Haleigh up...then Ron says he picked her up. Most bus stops are usually at the end of the street. Why would she drive that far to pick her up with Ron and Misty at home?? Could she have took Haleigh home with her??

Darla, do you remember where you heard her say that?   I only heard that RC got her from the bus stop but I'm really behind.

Here is one of the places I heard it:

 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html

NANCY GRACE

Police Pursue New Leads in Missing Florida Girl

Aired February 17, 2009 - 20:00:00   ET

TERESA NEVES, PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: I believe that she was. To the best of my knowledge, she was there. I had a family member there that night checking on the children, dropping off some clothes. So I know up to a point that she was definitely there. There`s no doubt in my mind that she was there, you know?


GRACE: We know for a fact, Miss Neves, that she was at school the day that she went missing.

NEVES: Yes, ma`am, she was. I picked her up from the bus stop.
 

 



I am beginning think none of them can tell a straight story. Another thing that has been bothering me is why in all the interviews with Misty, did she not mention the GGrandma coming by that night to drop of clothes/do laundry? Just another inconsistency.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 04:06:44 PM

I have read every post by this person who is suppose to be a neighbor of Ron. My opinion, I don't think this person is who he says he is, something very odd with his posts about Ron and Misty. Again, my opinion. Like many have doubts about AnnaFl, I have my doubts on this person.




I agree, No Rose;

Also, just b/c a "neighbor" is not aware of something or is under a certain impression, that, to me, doesn't necessarily mean beans..... People often hide these things from neighbors etc -- duh; And some do it very well.




 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 04:07:21 PM

Oh IM, this is sad, I sure hope something is done, and if need be the little boy Ron, is placed somewhere safer for him. I am concerned for him as well.



Me too, No Rose; ....Poor little Jr.

Please don't flame me (not talking to you now, No Rose;) but I hope they don't just palm Jr. off to the paternal grandparents (b/c CS didn't have residential custody). IMO, Ron learned whatever he learned about "discipline" and "childcare" from somewhere.

Also, I thought it was creepy during Ron's interviews when he mentioned, what seemed to me an inordinate amount of times,  something to the effect of, "That is a well mannered little girl... the best behaved child I ever had..." and other seemingly random comments about "mannered" and "behaved" that didn't really fit with whatever question the reported had asked.


Sometimes (depending on who says it and how) those words can be very chilling.  And I get those chills when Ron said that. 

I was an extremely well mannered child.  Had to be!!  Cuz I knew very early on what would happen to me afterward, or when we got home, had I dared step out of line. 


Here is a post from Player at WS (supposedly checked out to be Ron's last neighbor in the mobile home park)...I thought his words were odd about discipline so I saved his post:



player 
Registered User   Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: satsuma florida
Posts: 7 
 
To all that replied to my post. Thanks. I believe in fairness. I know Ron and yes he is a little different that me, but he is a great father and was really a good disciplinarian. Both Haliegh and Jr. were respectful, polite and above all neat and clean to a fault. As a former Union Rep with almost 4500 constituents I have learned that it is what lies beneath that really matters. I stick with Ron. The comment about Crystal is just that and that is where we get off track by trying to suggest something more sinister. Thanks to all concerning his record. I feel relieved that we can be and are a fair forum. 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


I have read every post by this person who is suppose to be a neighbor of Ron. My opinion, I don't think this person is who he says he is, something very odd with his posts about Ron and Misty. Again, my opinion. Like many have doubts about AnnaFl, I have my doubts on this person.

That's why I added "supposedly".......you just never know who they really are. Although I know Anna Fl is related to the mom's side of the family, but she has chosen to do take certain routes that Marie doesn't approve of.......I've alluded to this before and it has to do with a player from the Caylee Anthony case~Marie is NOT happy with this person's involvement ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 04:07:53 PM

Looks like guaze and plastic wrap to me. 



It looked like gauze to me too, Foggy Dew; Some other posters at the time (not you) were suggesting that I was making something out of nothing; so since I couldn't "prove it" I agreed to disagree and relented that it could appear to be either play-gloves or gauze. But it looked like gauze to me initially..... and it still does. **sigh**




With the pic reg. size, with a quick glance and away, sure it could be little girl fancy gloves.  And yet, even reg. size pic with close scrutiny, does not look (to me ) like gloves.  But with that pic enlarged we can really see that it's gauze wrapping her hands. 

IMO.
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 04:08:39 PM
GRACE: Why do you speak of Haleigh -- why do you speak of Haleigh in the past tense? I notice that you said Haleigh was a child with a lot of physical problems.



PICAZIO: Because she doesn`t have those physical problems anymore
.

Did anyone see this episode of the Nancy Grace show.  It was the new attorneys first interview.  I think the statements above are very interesting.  I also wonder based on her ( attorney)last statement to what extent Haleigh still has problems with TS. 

Ms Neves had said Haleigh had been very sick in the past. Pneumonia ?
Something else was that Haleigh was more prone to illnesses.
..
I would  like to know just what the hey and where the hey those 2 kids were on Saturday & Sunday. Were they with the Sykes or the Neves GrandMa ? I still think that whatever was going on for the two to three days before the Monday and who it was going on with is a key element.


Kat, too bad Picazio wasn't pressed, or if so it was edited out.  I take it to mean one of two things: either Haleigh is now housed at a safe haven and is recieving appropriate nurturing and medical care or they have knowledge that she is gone forever.  :2thinky:  I wonder if there is any other way to interpret those statements or were they simply intended to be inflammatory or suggestive?  :smt102

Foggy


If we're talking about Picazio's statement in answer to NG of -PICAZIO: "Because she doesn`t have those physical problems anymore.

I don't know what "problems" were listed and that is relevant to the answer.

But in absence of knowing to what "problems " they are referring (I missed that part of the show) my guess would be that she's referring to something treated and resolved. In other words, my nephew had strep throat. He was treated; He recovered; And he no longer has it.

MOO



Preceeding conversation from interview with Picazio:


GRACE: Well, a couple of points, Miss Picazio, and believe me, I know you are a well-respected member of the bar. But I find it ironic that now is the time when the bio mom is trying to arrange all of her media requests, that she suddenly decides that Haleigh had been in a bad environment.

She`s certainly known all along who the father is dating and according to the judge in your client`s custody case, the mother, your client, did not have a job. The father did. Haleigh missed a total that we know of 12 doctor`s appointments while living with the mother.

Now maybe there`s an explanation for that, but I know the child has Turner syndrome and the mother not only didn`t have a job, but didn`t take the child to the doctor. It`s not like she was working all day and couldn`t make time to take the child to the doctor. I don`t understand that.

PICAZIO: Well, there`s also -- we have to look into the father`s history of taking the child to the doctor. Haleigh was never a child who was well. She had chronic pneumonia and bronchial problems and the father would often leave the children to a teenager who he was living with to drive this child to the doctor on a weekly basis.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2009, 04:09:33 PM
It would be hard for me to imagine that anyone would be happy with any player from the Caylee case getting involved with this case.  ::MonkeyEek:: In my view, it would be a disaster.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 04:09:42 PM
Rana~you have nanners ::MonkeyTongue::


   TAY... :-)  thanks   ::MonkeyWink::




Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2009, 04:11:41 PM
This lawyer for Crystal seems more then capable, and I have a feeling there will be some action with Ron Jr.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 04:12:48 PM
It would be hard for me to imagine that anyone would be happy with any player from the Caylee case getting involved with this case.  ::MonkeyEek:: In my view, it would be a disaster.

That's why when she told me this person had gotten in touch with her, she had no clue who he was, anyway I gave her the lowdown and see she went for another one, yet she told me Anna Fl was working with him and isn't happy. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2009, 04:14:55 PM
It would be hard for me to imagine that anyone would be happy with any player from the Caylee case getting involved with this case.  ::MonkeyEek:: In my view, it would be a disaster.

That's why when she told me this person had gotten in touch with her, she had no clue who he was, anyway I gave her the lowdown and see she went for another one, yet she told me Anna Fl was working with him and isn't happy. ::MonkeyWink::
  ::MonkeyEek:: Dominic Casey? He should have his hands full with Cindy.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: klaasend on March 15, 2009, 04:14:58 PM
I really don't have any speculation about the gauze on the hands, I don't see someone taking pics of her with it on if it were on there for a horrible reason..

On a side note, has this guy been checked out at all? He seemed to be pretty in love with Misty, they were together 3 years, long shot but could be a possibility that he thought "you took my prized posesion, Ill take yours"

http://latino.myspace.com/robsiedel

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked:: 




So according to this in February 2008 Misty was still with Robert and they had been together for 3 years.  Since she was approx 13.

http://latino.myspace.com/robsiedel


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/MistyRobert3yrs.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 04:16:07 PM
This lawyer for Crystal seems more then capable, and I have a feeling there will be some action with Ron Jr.

Do we have any hope that the LE will give Cobra or this attorney any information they may gather?  I hope they work together.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: mgoblue on March 15, 2009, 04:18:33 PM
Hi Monkeys. This might explain the bandages on the hands... Note that Lymphedema is a side effect of TS. (I've never posted a link, so not sure this will work.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lymphedema


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2009, 04:19:25 PM
This lawyer for Crystal seems more then capable, and I have a feeling there will be some action with Ron Jr.

Do we have any hope that the LE will give Cobra or this attorney any information they may gather?  I hope they work together.
I sure hope so too.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 04:19:39 PM
It would be hard for me to imagine that anyone would be happy with any player from the Caylee case getting involved with this case.  ::MonkeyEek:: In my view, it would be a disaster.

That's why when she told me this person had gotten in touch with her, she had no clue who he was, anyway I gave her the lowdown and see she went for another one, yet she told me Anna Fl was working with him and isn't happy. ::MonkeyWink::
  ::MonkeyEek:: Dominic Casey? He should have his hands full with Cindy.

BINGO...........see why she's mad ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 04:21:23 PM
This lawyer for Crystal seems more then capable, and I have a feeling there will be some action with Ron Jr.

Do we have any hope that the LE will give Cobra or this attorney any information they may gather?  I hope they work together.

Not sure, but they did let him search with LE one a smaller search last week.......


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2009, 04:22:04 PM
I have a nagging feeling when the lovebirds return from their honeymoon, there is going to be some fireworks.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 04:22:39 PM
Le did not want ANYONE searching on their own.  All search parties were to have 2 LEO's with them at all times.  I believe this was the reason the first days searches were so late in starting out.  Searches ended up having close to, if not more then 100 people in fingertip to fingertip lines in order to accommodate this mandate from LE.
Ron was not allowed by LE to search on his own.  I guess we could say "How could anyone stop him, it is a free country"  But when LE says "NO" in the midst of an investigation people had better listen.
Things may be different now, he may be able to search on his own.  Does he have access to the maps that show what has been previously searched?  It would be futile to try and search without those maps.  Has he even asked for them?  Would LE let him see them if he did ask?
 Searching on his own in the woods would be a very dangerous activity.  There are bogs in those woods that act like quick sand.  You can be on herd ground and the next step you take you are in up to your waist in muck.  Getting out of that muck with no help may be next to impossible if you do not know to lie down flat out and then try to get out.

 Also, consider if he did find her.  Just his body in the area would give off skin cells and the scene where she is found is contaminated. If he did come across her, then everyone would cry foul and say he already knew she was there. Some  people already have him guilty in their own minds so no matter what he does, it looks wrong.

I think this is an excellent post and makes total sense.  Your points are very good especially the last paragraph.  And they seem to be carefully thought out.  I believe I have heard people heading up searches saying the same thing.  Tim from EquiSearch for one.  I also heard him say that they don't want the parents or family searching because they might find remains.  They want to save them that grief.



Additionally, Searching, if a guilty father happened to find the body of his child he would know that his cells, fibers, hair, etc would likely be there; so he could then throw himself on the body in grief.

His atty could then likely cry foul and state that those hairs, fiber, cells, etc found on/near the body are merely transfer DNA resulting from the father throwing himself on the body upon finding it; Hence, that evidence, according to the defense's view, would not be indicative of "guilt" or culpability.





Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: TxLady2 on March 15, 2009, 04:24:02 PM



Uh why are we suppose to take this eyesforlies person seriously? I mean I watched the interview and have watched the utube version x3 and I don't see what she sees.

I mean eflies has no credentials other than a self proclaimed blog stating she is physic but no education or degree in anything. Why is she considered such an expert that I should take seriously.
[/quote]

No one is saying you have to believe it, it's just interesting. Take it however you wish to. I saw a lot of the same things this person did, but could not express it as eloquently.
Funny thing is, different people see different things. I've heard some say that in the last presser they saw no tears from Crystal, and said she was "fake crying." I saw her hands trembling, her voice shaking and she was constantly wiping her eyes with a wet tissue, and her eyes lookes watery, presumably from tears.
I guess we see what we want to see.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: klaasend on March 15, 2009, 04:24:07 PM
I really don't have any speculation about the gauze on the hands, I don't see someone taking pics of her with it on if it were on there for a horrible reason..

On a side note, has this guy been checked out at all? He seemed to be pretty in love with Misty, they were together 3 years, long shot but could be a possibility that he thought "you took my prized posesion, Ill take yours"

http://latino.myspace.com/robsiedel

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked:: 




So according to this in February 2008 Misty was still with Robert and they had been together for 3 years.  Since she was approx 13.

http://latino.myspace.com/robsiedel


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/MistyRobert3yrs.jpg)

More pics here:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=217811514

Either Jan 07 or 08

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/MistyRobertJan07.jpg)


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 04:24:44 PM
I have a nagging feeling when the lovebirds return from their honeymoon, there is going to be some fireworks.  ::MonkeyEek::

I think you are 100% correct ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 04:26:34 PM
Le did not want ANYONE searching on their own.  All search parties were to have 2 LEO's with them at all times.  I believe this was the reason the first days searches were so late in starting out.  Searches ended up having close to, if not more then 100 people in fingertip to fingertip lines in order to accommodate this mandate from LE.
Ron was not allowed by LE to search on his own.  I guess we could say "How could anyone stop him, it is a free country"  But when LE says "NO" in the midst of an investigation people had better listen.
Things may be different now, he may be able to search on his own.  Does he have access to the maps that show what has been previously searched?  It would be futile to try and search without those maps.  Has he even asked for them?  Would LE let him see them if he did ask?
 Searching on his own in the woods would be a very dangerous activity.  There are bogs in those woods that act like quick sand.  You can be on herd ground and the next step you take you are in up to your waist in muck.  Getting out of that muck with no help may be next to impossible if you do not know to lie down flat out and then try to get out.

 Also, consider if he did find her.  Just his body in the area would give off skin cells and the scene where she is found is contaminated. If he did come across her, then everyone would cry foul and say he already knew she was there. Some  people already have him guilty in their own minds so no matter what he does, it looks wrong.

I think this is an excellent post and makes total sense.  Your points are very good especially the last paragraph.  And they seem to be carefully thought out.  I believe I have heard people heading up searches saying the same thing.  Tim from EquiSearch for one.  I also heard him say that they don't want the parents or family searching because they might find remains.  They want to save them that grief.



Additionally, Searching, if a guilty father happened to find the body of his child he would know that his cells, fibers, hair, etc would likely be there; so he could then throw himself on the body in grief.

His atty could then likely cry foul and state that those hairs, fiber, cells, etc found on/near the body are merely transfer DNA resulting from the father throwing himself on the body upon finding it; Hence, that evidence, according to the defense's view, would not be indicative of "guilt" or culpability.





Rana ~did you get my email???? ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Foggy Dew on March 15, 2009, 04:29:31 PM



Kat, too bad Picazio wasn't pressed, or if so it was edited out.  I take it to mean one of two things: either Haleigh is now housed at a safe haven and is recieving appropriate nurturing and medical care or they have knowledge that she is gone forever.  :2thinky:  I wonder if there is any other way to interpret those statements or were they simply intended to be inflammatory or suggestive?  :smt102

Foggy


Ooops! I messed up the quote; It was supposed to look like this.

Sorry, 'bout that, Foggy Dew.
   :-)


If we're talking about Picazio's statement in answer to NG of:
PICAZIO: "Because she doesn`t have those physical problems anymore.

I don't know what "problems" were listed and that is relevant to the answer.

But in absence of knowing to what "problems " they are referring (I missed that part of the show) my guess would be that she's referring to something treated and resolved. In other words, my nephew had strep throat. He was treated; He recovered; And he no longer has it.

MOO





Rana I'm wondering how the bio mom's atty would be in the position to know anything, let alone whether Haleigh no longer has problems.  Has the atty been in Crystal's life prior to Haleigh's disappearance?  Does she have some knowledge of the child's state of health because the child is hidden away (perhaps)?  I don't really think she knows anything (necessarily) but I'm sorry--but I found the statement enigmatic and begs more questions than it answered. 

Foggy

P.S.  Happy birthday and many happy returns.   :smt113


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: TxLady2 on March 15, 2009, 04:32:24 PM
John O’Connor Interviews Crystal Sheffield

http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/john-oconnor-interviews-crystal-sheffield/

'I passed the polygraph'

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/02/24/ng.mom.polygraph.cnn

Rewatching Crystals interview in this tape, she says "a man dressed in black" and then with Geraldo she says "a black man dressed in black". She has changed her story also.
Uhh I wouldnt say she changed her story, I would say she just got confused with the black thing, but still thats alot different then changing your story about what you were doing the night haleigh came up missing, just different IMO

It wasn't her story, it was Jr.'s. And I only watched the interview once, but could she possibly have said it like this..." a black... uh, a man dressed in black", sort of hesitating between, like she was correcting herself? That kind of thing is easy to misunderstand.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 04:33:43 PM
I really don't have any speculation about the gauze on the hands, I don't see someone taking pics of her with it on if it were on there for a horrible reason..

On a side note, has this guy been checked out at all? He seemed to be pretty in love with Misty, they were together 3 years, long shot but could be a possibility that he thought "you took my prized posesion, Ill take yours"

http://latino.myspace.com/robsiedel

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked:: 




So according to this in February 2008 Misty was still with Robert and they had been together for 3 years.  Since she was approx 13.

http://latino.myspace.com/robsiedel


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/MistyRobert3yrs.jpg)

More pics here:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=217811514

Either Jan 07 or 08

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/MistyRobertJan07.jpg)

Call me stupid but I don't understand those Myspace pages.  It says that his last visit was back in '08 August I think.  And the posts are all old, but Misty's ID is a picture of Haleigh.  What am I missing?  Help here please.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: NCSunny on March 15, 2009, 04:43:30 PM
I just have this sick feeling that little Haleigh is wrapped in a blanket and is either in woods on Ron's way to work or in the river. I do not trust momma Teresa. The blanket  in the van "they took" is driving me nuts. When that statement was made LE had not took anything.
I think she is talking about the van that her Cousin had borrowed from someone when he had came over!

I agree.  so does that mean she went with him when he borrowed the van?  and who was she partying with supposedly for 3 days.

I found this off of the comments in true crime report, comments secton:

nycestgirlevr said:
Ok for starters I never heard that her stuff was left in the house. Where do you get your information?
Anyhow I have actually spoken to a family member of Haleighs family, her mothers side of the family. And this is the new information I was given and it was directly from a family member of Haleighs. The vehicle they have is the van Misty was driving on Monday Feb.9th. The van had a new scratch that everyone is curious about also. The other thing I was told about Misty was that she was "missing" all weekend until Monday the 9th when Ronald found her and drug her back home. He did not get Haleigh off the bus the other parents at the bus stop said it was Misty in the van the police still have here in Jacksonville. And lastly the neighbor a single white older male moved after Haleigh went missing. This is what I know as of now. Lets get this out there people incase Haleigh is still alive. Oh also the dogs actually followed Haleigh and Mistys scent to the St. Johns river and it stopped there period and this ifno comes strait from Haleigh Cummings family!



If this part is true and with what the teach said about Misty hating Haleigh and putting her fingers in boiling water....then maybe jmo Misty was mad that ron made her come home and she took it out on Haleigh and it went to far this time.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Does anyone remember seeing a photo of Haleigh & Jr. playing on some bleachers? Her hands were bandaged, but other Monkeys thought it was part of a costume??
Hmmm


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 04:43:52 PM
John O’Connor Interviews Crystal Sheffield

http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/john-oconnor-interviews-crystal-sheffield/

'I passed the polygraph'

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/02/24/ng.mom.polygraph.cnn

Rewatching Crystals interview in this tape, she says "a man dressed in black" and then with Geraldo she says "a black man dressed in black". She has changed her story also.
Uhh I wouldnt say she changed her story, I would say she just got confused with the black thing, but still thats alot different then changing your story about what you were doing the night haleigh came up missing, just different IMO

It wasn't her story, it was Jr.'s. And I only watched the interview once, but could she possibly have said it like this..." a black... uh, a man dressed in black", sort of hesitating between, like she was correcting herself? That kind of thing is easy to misunderstand.


I just watched the John Oconner interview and she said "a black man dressed in black".  And this interview did not strike me as any different in demeanor than Misty's. do you have the link to the Geraldo interview.  I watched that but missed seeing the picture.  Must have been before I got in on the show.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: klaasend on March 15, 2009, 04:47:15 PM
Minnie - on Myspace just like here in the SM forum, if you change your avatar it changes it for all previous posts as well.  Say for example if I broke my arm today and used a photo of my broken arm as my avatar.  The posts of mine from back in 2006 would also look like I had a broken arm. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: JuJu on March 15, 2009, 04:48:46 PM
Not sue what Children of the Corn means, but unfortunately, my ex-husband did this to my son when he was two years old. This was before DV laws, back in 1971. I was 21 and very naive. My son is now 39. Very bad memories, but that is what it reminded me of when I saw that You Tube clip. I hope that I am dead wrong!! And, sorry to upset you, Dolce!!!
Sorry that you had to experience that sort of violence, now I can see how you made that extreme jump to that thought.  That is not something I could ever consider or ever would have thought of, not in my wildest dreams.  There are some sick twisted f*cks out there, so sorry to hear that you were married to one but glad you got out.  Just in what we have seen so far, if there was abuse going on in that household of that magnitude, it would have been noticed and/or picked up by someone by now.

Sorry Dolce, not trying to pick on you or your posts, am just reading along without even looking at avi's, answering what gets my attention, just happens to be yours is all, k? 

That said.. I disagree with the part above that I bolded.  While we would *hope and pray* this would happen, tragically it doesn't.  Severely abused children slip thru the cracks at staggering amounts.  Perhaps less in these days than years ago, true.  And that's because of folks keeping their eyes open and reporting what they see. 

I won't go into detail of what happened to me as a child, and to many others that I'm aware of, as it would likely make everyone lose their last meal.  Suffice it to say, that it included the most shocking and severe abuse possible to a child.  I yearned for someone outside the family to notice.  When no one did, I even told sev. people.  My sunday school teacher, my gym teacher at school.  But since they knew my so-called 'mother' (gag me) as a supposedly upstanding citizen, wife of a baptist deacon, they told me to quit lying.   ::MonkeyEek:: 

We cannot assume that everyone would know if a child in a home is being severely abused or mistreated in some way.  Most abusers go to GREAT lengths to insure that the abuse is not discovered, to the point of threatening the victim with more (or worse) if they ever told. 
 

wyks, i am so sorry for your suffering, and i hate you had to go through whatever it was.  no child should go through anything like that.  and i think you are right about so many kids slippiong throught the cracks. 
the situation could not have been good for Haliegh or butterbean.  rc scares me, no telling what he is capable of.  he preys on young girls because he can control them.  add in the drugs, 2 small children, one very ill...who knows.  i'm sorry but i can't help but think him and his dumb**** wife did something to Haleigh and she is most likely dead.  i think he probably had misty so drugged that she really can't remember the details........damn shame they couldn't have drug tested them the night she "went missing".  mom's side not too great either.  no help from the grannies.  i think rc did a better job of getting rid of the body than casey did.  if you compare the 2 he is a lot like kc.  the tattoes, the lack of concern for their child and the money is a little too similar....he must have been taking notes........moo


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: NCSunny on March 15, 2009, 04:55:05 PM
Well.. this won't make me very popular, just feel like it needs to be said.  Hopefully it won't offend too many folks. 

One concern is the running of the license plate by a blogger's LE family member to satisfy the curiousity of bloggers.  This to me is an invasion of privacy that isn't necessary.  We as bloggers on the net can sleuth things out from info already available to the public.  And of course, whatever info LE already involved with this case, releases to us.  But that's my opinion, for what it's worth. 

Another concern is that in another case a similiar thing happened, LE family member ran plates, and got into trouble at work for doing personal business on company time as well as using company equipment.  Wouldn't want for that to happen to someone else, if they hadn't thought it thru. 
 
Not trying to get on a high horse.  Just expressing some concerns. 
 


Good points and concerns, Wyks about tag running etc; And you're right - doing something untoward or inappriopriate is not the way to go. However, (you knew I'd have a pesky "however")  :-)   I have a sincere question.

Does anyone have a link to the entity that's handling the account and taking donations for the Cummings family?

(Was it that funeral parlor dude?) Where I'm going with that thought is this. This may differ by state; IKD; But as far as I know, typically, when folks ask for donations they are usually (I want to say "legally" ) obligated or encouraged to clearly state somewhere for what the donations are to be allocated. IOW, for example, donations for ABC... for the XYZ family.... or such.

Do we know how the Cummings' donation account is worded? Anyone have a link or info on that?

Also, the person who volunteered to run the tag is an officer? (I didn't catch that part, but I assume it is someone who is authorized to access tag info, right?)

Get to the point already.

If someone who has made a donation (or maybe even someone who is contemplating making a donation?) has a concern about how the funds are being used, does that constitute a legit tip such that an officer who is authorized to access tag info has a legit reason to openly run a tag and fill out any related reporting docs as to why he/she wants to run the tag?

IOW, does our tag question constitute valid concern regarding suspicion of donation fraud or misappropriation of donated funds?? (IDK the proper word here;) Is that a legit reason? And if it all checks out, then great! The donations are being used appropriately and we can throw Ron a parade for doing something right.

Disclaimer: just a question about how a private citizen (one of us, for example) would go about reporting suspicion of donation-hanky-panky to the LE and what LE could then "do " about it as to.... in what way it relates to running a tag, if any. TIA.  :-)



 


Sorry for the O/T but - Happy Birthday Rana!!! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 04:56:02 PM

wyks, i am so sorry for your suffering, and i hate you had to go through whatever it was.  no child should go through anything like that.  and i think you are right about so many kids slippiong throught the cracks. 
the situation could not have been good for Haliegh or butterbean.  rc scares me, no telling what he is capable of.  he preys on young girls because he can control them.  add in the drugs, 2 small children, one very ill...who knows.  i'm sorry but i can't help but think him and his dumb**** wife did something to Haleigh and she is most likely dead.  i think he probably had misty so drugged that she really can't remember the details........damn shame they couldn't have drug tested them the night she "went missing".  mom's side not too great either.  no help from the grannies.  i think rc did a better job of getting rid of the body than casey did.  if you compare the 2 he is a lot like kc.  the tattoes, the lack of concern for their child and the money is a little too similar....he must have been taking notes........moo


Thank you JuJu! 

It's so odd, there are days when I'm focused on Ron/Misty and feel certain it will be found that one or both were involved to some degree.  Other days I could swear by their odd actions that it's Crystal/family.  Sometimes am thinking that ALL of them are somehow involved, it's soooooo crazy! 
 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: TxLady2 on March 15, 2009, 04:58:23 PM
Well.. this won't make me very popular, just feel like it needs to be said.  Hopefully it won't offend too many folks. 

One concern is the running of the license plate by a blogger's LE family member to satisfy the curiousity of bloggers.  This to me is an invasion of privacy that isn't necessary.  We as bloggers on the net can sleuth things out from info already available to the public.  And of course, whatever info LE already involved with this case, releases to us.  But that's my opinion, for what it's worth. 

Another concern is that in another case a similiar thing happened, LE family member ran plates, and got into trouble at work for doing personal business on company time as well as using company equipment.  Wouldn't want for that to happen to someone else, if they hadn't thought it thru. 
 
Not trying to get on a high horse.  Just expressing some concerns. 
 

Agree... and also, LE cannot run plates on any vehicle without a valid reason, they can get in trouble for it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 05:02:26 PM
::MonkeyShocked::  Oh crapola~ I just called Marie to again extend my offer of assistance as they no longer have a place to stay at night, but I had to mention the post I brought over from the Clint Van Zandt site (formerdcfinvestigators)....anyway, she put me on the phone with someone very significant in this case because she thought they should hear the info too.

I read the post and then they asked me to forward it to them in an e-mail, they also had heard very similar stories ::MonkeyEek:: they were going to share this with LE, and Kim Picazio asap. They told me they already had heard from over 89 people about stricter than the norm punishment in this case ::MonkeyNoNo:: I am SICK right now..........

The family had seen her hands bandaged in November from other photos etc. I'm just glad this information is going to a source I feel can get to the bottom of it, and they do feel they have a good idea who is behind all of this........nuff said on that.

Also, Haleighs things were left in the trailer, there was a purse Crystal bought for Haleigh that they offered to give her back instead of a teddy bear etc., but Crystal wanted the purse she bought her to stay at the trailer for when Haleigh came home ::MonkeyWaa::

My heart is broken

If they saw her hands bandaged in November why didn't they inquire or do something then. IJA  Or for that matter all the people who are talking now why didn't they tell someone long ago.




Well, Minnie,

How do we know that they didn't report it?

Perhaps they did and were shot down?
Mother Neves is connected.... in my opinion and Ron is terrifying.... imo. The perfect storm.

Ch*t happens.

MOO




Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: dsntslp on March 15, 2009, 05:02:57 PM
SCSunny both pic's of Haleigh on the bleachers are on p 24.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 05:06:23 PM
Well.. this won't make me very popular, just feel like it needs to be said.  Hopefully it won't offend too many folks. 

One concern is the running of the license plate by a blogger's LE family member to satisfy the curiousity of bloggers.  This to me is an invasion of privacy that isn't necessary.  We as bloggers on the net can sleuth things out from info already available to the public.  And of course, whatever info LE already involved with this case, releases to us.  But that's my opinion, for what it's worth. 

Another concern is that in another case a similiar thing happened, LE family member ran plates, and got into trouble at work for doing personal business on company time as well as using company equipment.  Wouldn't want for that to happen to someone else, if they hadn't thought it thru. 
 
Not trying to get on a high horse.  Just expressing some concerns. 
 

Agree... and also, LE cannot run plates on any vehicle without a valid reason, they can get in trouble for it.



So the next question is.... does suspicion of donation funds misappropriation constitute a valid reason?


 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: AprilShowers on March 15, 2009, 05:07:31 PM
I have read every post by this person who is suppose to be a neighbor of Ron. My opinion, I don't think this person is who he says he is, something very odd with his posts about Ron and Misty. Again, my opinion. Like many have doubts about AnnaFl, I have my doubts on this person.
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I am SO glad somebody else sees him as I do.  I believe he's a 50 something guy.

His defense of Ron is just TOO much sometimes, and he just seems strange in some way, I just can't put my finger on it.  I also don't like how he thinks he knows Ron and Misty SO well, and said that he can hear everything in their mobile home, because the walls are so thin.  Hmmm????


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 05:17:11 PM
::MonkeyShocked::  Oh crapola~ I just called Marie to again extend my offer of assistance as they no longer have a place to stay at night, but I had to mention the post I brought over from the Clint Van Zandt site (formerdcfinvestigators)....anyway, she put me on the phone with someone very significant in this case because she thought they should hear the info too.

I read the post and then they asked me to forward it to them in an e-mail, they also had heard very similar stories ::MonkeyEek:: they were going to share this with LE, and Kim Picazio asap. They told me they already had heard from over 89 people about stricter than the norm punishment in this case ::MonkeyNoNo:: I am SICK right now..........

The family had seen her hands bandaged in November from other photos etc. I'm just glad this information is going to a source I feel can get to the bottom of it, and they do feel they have a good idea who is behind all of this........nuff said on that.

Also, Haleighs things were left in the trailer, there was a purse Crystal bought for Haleigh that they offered to give her back instead of a teddy bear etc., but Crystal wanted the purse she bought her to stay at the trailer for when Haleigh came home ::MonkeyWaa::

My heart is broken

If they saw her hands bandaged in November why didn't they inquire or do something then. IJA  Or for that matter all the people who are talking now why didn't they tell someone long ago.




Well, Minnie,

How do we know that they didn't report it?

Perhaps they did and were shot down?
Mother Neves is connected.... in my opinion and Ron is terrifying.... imo. The perfect storm.

Ch*t happens.

MOO




All the more reason to get Haleigh and brother out of there.  I have heard Crystal say she was never in the mobile home, and didn't know  Misty.  I think if I had suspicions I would make it a point to get inside that house and meet the girl taking care of my children.  But that is just me.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 05:17:42 PM

Uh why are we suppose to take this eyesforlies person seriously? I mean I watched the interview and have watched the utube version x3 and I don't see what she sees.

I mean eflies has no credentials other than a self proclaimed blog stating she is physic but no education or degree in anything. Why is she considered such an expert that I should take seriously.

No one is saying you have to believe it, it's just interesting. Take it however you wish to. I saw a lot of the same things this person did, but could not express it as eloquently.

Funny thing is, different people see different things. I've heard some say that in the last presser they saw no tears from Crystal, and said she was "fake crying." I saw her hands trembling, her voice shaking and she was constantly wiping her eyes with a wet tissue, and her eyes lookes watery, presumably from tears.
I guess we see what we want to see.



    Me too, TxLady2!!

    Agreed. Big fat double ditto here.   :-)

    MOO   ::MonkeyCool::






Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Searching on March 15, 2009, 05:21:02 PM
Hi everyone, I have been trying to point out that there are 2 sides to every story, and then there is the truth. It seems that the objective views of a lot of people has been hijacked by the words of family members thru 3rd and 4th parties. There is a reason that investigators are not allowed to befriend suspects and friends of suspects are not allowed to investigate their friends case,the conclusions become biased and skewed. Please do not take this wrong, I am trying to point out that there has not been an fair balance of things here. If you have read my posts, you know I do not think RC is either guilty or not same for Crystal and everyone else. At this point even LE says EVERYONE is suspect. That means Crystal too. If you go back and watch interviews and read them, Crystal praised RC and said how he was a good person... Then later came allegations of abuse. I do not buy she was afraid to speak out because she was surrounded by LE and on tv.  I get the feeling it was a thought process fed to her by her family and whorealdo himself of wow, we can use this.. This can get custody back of the children... etc etc. I do not feel it is healthy to keep on this same road of abuse allegations where there is no proof, not for the thread, as people do read here and see the one way ticket that has been purchased by many,and not for the individuals whom are buying the ticket. What are those folks going to feel like if it is found that RC NEVER harmed his children NOR Crystal, yet his name has been put out as an abuser by them? Can we please agree to disagree and move on? I am an abuse victim myself, but I am NOT going to let MY past lead me to a false or possibly false answer to questions in any case. I also have a son that is a "wangsta" and he acts like RC, but would NEVER harm a woman or child and has never harmed any one but himself with his stupid choices. I think RC is an immature idiot and just not acting right, he is acting out of the norm,but if we believe everything people say about the family member of the missing,shame on us. I think the rumors about RC are being believed because people want to since they have labeled him an abuser already because he reminds them of their abusive ex or something. I for one am not going to let rumors from "family" control what I think on this case, I am not going to let my past control what I think. I am going to let the facts control what I think. Granted, there are not many PROVEN facts out there,but that does not mean believe what rumor you want and make it fact either. I know everyone means well, but tunnel vision due to our past and rumors is not finding Haleigh. I am trying to be the voice of reason and speak my thoughts in the kindest way here, but it is getting hard when I see good smart monkeys stop posting and leave the thread because they just can no longer take the one sided view because a non cleared family member says this and that and it grows to be fact. The school verified Haleigh had fallen down at school, who are we or Crystal or anyone whom was NOT there when it happened to say that her injuries were not from a fall?  I would think the school would know,and it was CRYSTAL who claimed the school said those injuries were not from that fall,why take her word,after all,she does have a dog in this race. Please, just think before you take someones word for something. Just because LE has not said they are looking at Crystal,does not mean they are not,they said EVERYONE is suspect and that includes Crystal and camp. So please, just be careful at what you believe and repeat. That is all I am asking. You may also want to look at what is being posted on Topix.. I am not the only one feeling this.. this just posted at topix, seems many have same idea in the works as u do
 I have been reading the biggest bunch of garbage spread everywhere where rumor has become fact.It's getting beyond outrageous.the biomother is doing a really good job of sending out her family members to major forums and spreading lies and gossip,which otherwise intelligent people are buying into it.But,this is all about custody,backpay and revenge,isn't it?IMO Using Geraldo didn't work,so try different tactics,right?JMO
 then this post
 Marie's distant cousin that doesn't live there,called Marie when this happened,apparently had to explain who she was,does phonecalls with her.People wonder if she is Wayanne Kruger,the PR person for Crystal or a reporter.She says her name is Joyanna,who knows.But doing a fine job of spreading it.JMO
 another
 And now it's spread the frayed cut off winter gloves she used when playing are bandages on her hands,just so outrageous.
 all from this thread
 http://www.topix.com/forum/city/orlando-fl/T52VIGA63OER7TOO7/p611


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 05:21:21 PM

Happy Birthday, Rana!!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 05:21:34 PM
Minnie - on Myspace just like here in the SM forum, if you change your avatar it changes it for all previous posts as well.  Say for example if I broke my arm today and used a photo of my broken arm as my avatar.  The posts of mine from back in 2006 would also look like I had a broken arm. 

Yes, that makes sense but wouldn't she have to have posted on that site using the id with the new avatar?  It doesn't change it globally does it?  It appears to me she has posted since she changed her id pic.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: NCSunny on March 15, 2009, 05:22:16 PM
SCSunny both pic's of Haleigh on the bleachers are on p 24.



 ::MonkeyCool::  Oops....I know, I am so far behind. I guess I should start reading the whole thread before I comment, as usually someone beats me to it.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 05:23:40 PM
If they saw her hands bandaged in November why didn't they inquire or do something then. IJA  Or for that matter all the people who are talking now why didn't they tell someone long ago.

Well, Minnie,

How do we know that they didn't report it?

Perhaps they did and were shot down?
Mother Neves is connected.... in my opinion and Ron is terrifying.... imo. The perfect storm.  Ch*t happens.    MOO

All the more reason to get Haleigh and brother out of there.  I have heard Crystal say she was never in the mobile home, and didn't know  Misty. 

I think if I had suspicions I would make it a point to get inside that house and meet the girl taking care of my children.  But that is just me.



Minnie, how do we know that Crystal didnt try to visit the home? Perhap she did and was not welcomed or allowed in by Ron and/or Misty.

I don't have a link, but I read that Crystal's calls were blocked/ refused by Ron when she tried to call her children.

MOO


 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 05:28:16 PM
Hi everyone, I have been trying to point out that there are 2 sides to every story, and then there is the truth.



Yes, Searching, sometimes that is the case.

However, other times, there are two sides to the story, and one side very much IS  true. (....and sadly true,  as the case may be.)






Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 05:34:24 PM
Hi everyone, I have been trying to point out that there are 2 sides to every story, and then there is the truth.



Yes, Searching, sometimes that is the case.

However, other times, there are two sides to the story, and one side very much IS  true. (....and sadly true,  as the case may be.)




Rana, what do you mean one side very much true?  Do you have information that has convinced you of this?  If so please share it with me because I would very much like to be convinced of someone's guilt or innocence.  So far, all I have heard is the proverbial "he said, she said".  I am not saying you are wrong I just wish I could be as sure as you are.  I want to be convinced but I am not based on what I have seen or heard on talk shows, interviews, etc.  and what else do we have?



Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Searching on March 15, 2009, 05:37:35 PM
Hi everyone, I have been trying to point out that there are 2 sides to every story, and then there is the truth. It seems that the objective views of a lot of people has been hijacked by the words of family members thru 3rd and 4th parties. There is a reason that investigators are not allowed to befriend suspects and friends of suspects are not allowed to investigate their friends case,the conclusions become biased and skewed. Please do not take this wrong, I am trying to point out that there has not been an fair balance of things here. If you have read my posts, you know I do not think RC is either guilty or not same for Crystal and everyone else. At this point even LE says EVERYONE is suspect. That means Crystal too. If you go back and watch interviews and read them, Crystal praised RC and said how he was a good person... Then later came allegations of abuse. I do not buy she was afraid to speak out because she was surrounded by LE and on tv.  I get the feeling it was a thought process fed to her by her family and whorealdo himself of wow, we can use this.. This can get custody back of the children... etc etc. I do not feel it is healthy to keep on this same road of abuse allegations where there is no proof, not for the thread, as people do read here and see the one way ticket that has been purchased by many,and not for the individuals whom are buying the ticket. What are those folks going to feel like if it is found that RC NEVER harmed his children NOR Crystal, yet his name has been put out as an abuser by them? Can we please agree to disagree and move on? I am an abuse victim myself, but I am NOT going to let MY past lead me to a false or possibly false answer to questions in any case. I also have a son that is a "wangsta" and he acts like RC, but would NEVER harm a woman or child and has never harmed any one but himself with his stupid choices. I think RC is an immature idiot and just not acting right, he is acting out of the norm,but if we believe everything people say about the family member of the missing,shame on us. I think the rumors about RC are being believed because people want to since they have labeled him an abuser already because he reminds them of their abusive ex or something. I for one am not going to let rumors from "family" control what I think on this case, I am not going to let my past control what I think. I am going to let the facts control what I think. Granted, there are not many PROVEN facts out there,but that does not mean believe what rumor you want and make it fact either. I know everyone means well, but tunnel vision due to our past and rumors is not finding Haleigh. I am trying to be the voice of reason and speak my thoughts in the kindest way here, but it is getting hard when I see good smart monkeys stop posting and leave the thread because they just can no longer take the one sided view because a non cleared family member says this and that and it grows to be fact. The school verified Haleigh had fallen down at school, who are we or Crystal or anyone whom was NOT there when it happened to say that her injuries were not from a fall?  I would think the school would know,and it was CRYSTAL who claimed the school said those injuries were not from that fall,why take her word,after all,she does have a dog in this race. Please, just think before you take someones word for something. Just because LE has not said they are looking at Crystal,does not mean they are not,they said EVERYONE is suspect and that includes Crystal and camp. So please, just be careful at what you believe and repeat. That is all I am asking. You may also want to look at what is being posted on Topix.. I am not the only one feeling this.. this just posted at topix, seems many have same idea in the works as u do
" I have been reading the biggest bunch of garbage spread everywhere where rumor has become fact.It's getting beyond outrageous.the biomother is doing a really good job of sending out her family members to major forums and spreading lies and gossip,which otherwise intelligent people are buying into it.But,this is all about custody,backpay and revenge,isn't it?IMO Using Geraldo didn't work,so try different tactics,right?JMO
 then this post
 Marie's distant cousin that doesn't live there,called Marie when this happened,apparently had to explain who she was,does phonecalls with her.People wonder if she is Wayanne Kruger,the PR person for Crystal or a reporter.She says her name is Joyanna,who knows.But doing a fine job of spreading it.JMO
 another
 And now it's spread the frayed cut off winter gloves she used when playing are bandages on her hands,just so outrageous. "
 all from this thread
 http://www.topix.com/forum/city/orlando-fl/T52VIGA63OER7TOO7/p611

Had to put " " so you knew what was from topix.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 05:40:26 PM
Hi everyone, I have been trying to point out that there are 2 sides to every story, and then there is the truth. It seems that the objective views of a lot of people has been hijacked by the words of family members thru 3rd and 4th parties. There is a reason that investigators are not allowed to befriend suspects and friends of suspects are not allowed to investigate their friends case,the conclusions become biased and skewed. Please do not take this wrong, I am trying to point out that there has not been an fair balance of things here. If you have read my posts, you know I do not think RC is either guilty or not same for Crystal and everyone else. At this point even LE says EVERYONE is suspect. That means Crystal too. If you go back and watch interviews and read them, Crystal praised RC and said how he was a good person... Then later came allegations of abuse. I do not buy she was afraid to speak out because she was surrounded by LE and on tv.  I get the feeling it was a thought process fed to her by her family and whorealdo himself of wow, we can use this.. This can get custody back of the children... etc etc. I do not feel it is healthy to keep on this same road of abuse allegations where there is no proof, not for the thread, as people do read here and see the one way ticket that has been purchased by many,and not for the individuals whom are buying the ticket. What are those folks going to feel like if it is found that RC NEVER harmed his children NOR Crystal, yet his name has been put out as an abuser by them? Can we please agree to disagree and move on? I am an abuse victim myself, but I am NOT going to let MY past lead me to a false or possibly false answer to questions in any case. I also have a son that is a "wangsta" and he acts like RC, but would NEVER harm a woman or child and has never harmed any one but himself with his stupid choices. I think RC is an immature idiot and just not acting right, he is acting out of the norm,but if we believe everything people say about the family member of the missing,shame on us. I think the rumors about RC are being believed because people want to since they have labeled him an abuser already because he reminds them of their abusive ex or something. I for one am not going to let rumors from "family" control what I think on this case, I am not going to let my past control what I think. I am going to let the facts control what I think. Granted, there are not many PROVEN facts out there,but that does not mean believe what rumor you want and make it fact either. I know everyone means well, but tunnel vision due to our past and rumors is not finding Haleigh. I am trying to be the voice of reason and speak my thoughts in the kindest way here, but it is getting hard when I see good smart monkeys stop posting and leave the thread because they just can no longer take the one sided view because a non cleared family member says this and that and it grows to be fact. The school verified Haleigh had fallen down at school, who are we or Crystal or anyone whom was NOT there when it happened to say that her injuries were not from a fall?  I would think the school would know,and it was CRYSTAL who claimed the school said those injuries were not from that fall,why take her word,after all,she does have a dog in this race. Please, just think before you take someones word for something. Just because LE has not said they are looking at Crystal,does not mean they are not,they said EVERYONE is suspect and that includes Crystal and camp. So please, just be careful at what you believe and repeat. That is all I am asking. You may also want to look at what is being posted on Topix.. I am not the only one feeling this.. this just posted at topix, seems many have same idea in the works as u do
" I have been reading the biggest bunch of garbage spread everywhere where rumor has become fact.It's getting beyond outrageous.the biomother is doing a really good job of sending out her family members to major forums and spreading lies and gossip,which otherwise intelligent people are buying into it.But,this is all about custody,backpay and revenge,isn't it?IMO Using Geraldo didn't work,so try different tactics,right?JMO
 then this post
 Marie's distant cousin that doesn't live there,called Marie when this happened,apparently had to explain who she was,does phonecalls with her.People wonder if she is Wayanne Kruger,the PR person for Crystal or a reporter.She says her name is Joyanna,who knows.But doing a fine job of spreading it.JMO
 another
 And now it's spread the frayed cut off winter gloves she used when playing are bandages on her hands,just so outrageous. "
 all from this thread
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/orlando-fl/T52VIGA63OER7TOO7/p611

Had to put " " so you knew what was from topix.

Those are the weirdest looking "winter gloves" I have ever seen.  Our here at home are made of warm fabric not gauze.  IMO


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: higherhopes on March 15, 2009, 05:41:03 PM
I would like to comment on the picture of Haleigh with the bandages on her hands, My son grabbed a pile of leaves one summer that he didnt know was burning underneith and burned both his hands badly and this is just wht his bandages looked like, the doctors said they couldnt bandage them tightly or his fingers would touch each other and the skin between the fingers that was burned would either rub together and cause infection or heal together, they left the ends open so that the burns could get air and dry out......also  I know a little boy who has turner syndron and when he had a flair up of sores on his hands they didnt bandage them like this,  actually they didnt want them bandaged at all because of the risk if infection if the bandage got dirty, he had to have medication put on his hands every hour but it didnt take long for them to heal up!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 05:43:14 PM
The picture of Haleigh with her hands bandaged is taken with her sitting on what looks like metal bleachers.  Could the reason for the bandages be a simple as she mildly scorched her hands on the hot metal bleacher?  Perhaps the pic's where she is lying on them is taken later in the day when it is cooler?  Maybe she fell riding her bike?

I think we all know how children at that age want bandaids to cover even the littlest boo boo.



Dsntslp, if the metal bleachers were hot enough to injure her to the extent that gauze bandages were needed, I can't imagine that - on the same day - she'd be out and about and smiling for pictures.... while laying on bleachers...... the same bleachers that had previously burned her...... that badly to require gauze..... around each entire hand; but that's imo.

And yes, we all may know how children at that age want bandaids to cover even the littlest boo boo. However, I don't know any kids who request gauze wrapping for their entire hands.... both.... for a "booboo."

And if it's all play and such, where are Jr's booboo gauzes? It's my experience that if a big sissy has something, then little brother has to have one too.... if it's something play related.

MOO



Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Searching on March 15, 2009, 05:47:00 PM
Hi everyone, I have been trying to point out that there are 2 sides to every story, and then there is the truth.



Yes, Searching, sometimes that is the case.

However, other times, there are two sides to the story, and one side very much IS  true. (....and sadly true,  as the case may be.)




Rana, what do you mean one side very much true?  Do you have information that has convinced you of this?  If so please share it with me because I would very much like to be convinced of someone's guilt or innocence.  So far, all I have heard is the proverbial "he said, she said".  I am not saying you are wrong I just wish I could be as sure as you are.  I want to be convinced but I am not based on what I have seen or heard on talk shows, interviews, etc.  and what else do we have?


That is all any of us have other then Crystal and families words. I am not ready to convict this guy based on what little we have,but it seems some already have him convicted.. That makes me sad as it is not helping find Haleigh.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Foggy Dew on March 15, 2009, 05:47:38 PM
Hi everyone, I have been trying to point out that there are 2 sides to every story, and then there is the truth. It seems that the objective views of a lot of people has been hijacked by the words of family members thru 3rd and 4th parties. There is a reason that investigators are not allowed to befriend suspects and friends of suspects are not allowed to investigate their friends case,the conclusions become biased and skewed. Please do not take this wrong, I am trying to point out that there has not been an fair balance of things here. If you have read my posts, you know I do not think RC is either guilty or not same for Crystal and everyone else. At this point even LE says EVERYONE is suspect. That means Crystal too. If you go back and watch interviews and read them, Crystal praised RC and said how he was a good person... Then later came allegations of abuse. I do not buy she was afraid to speak out because she was surrounded by LE and on tv.  I get the feeling it was a thought process fed to her by her family and whorealdo himself of wow, we can use this.. This can get custody back of the children... etc etc. I do not feel it is healthy to keep on this same road of abuse allegations where there is no proof, not for the thread, as people do read here and see the one way ticket that has been purchased by many,and not for the individuals whom are buying the ticket. What are those folks going to feel like if it is found that RC NEVER harmed his children NOR Crystal, yet his name has been put out as an abuser by them? Can we please agree to disagree and move on? I am an abuse victim myself, but I am NOT going to let MY past lead me to a false or possibly false answer to questions in any case. I also have a son that is a "wangsta" and he acts like RC, but would NEVER harm a woman or child and has never harmed any one but himself with his stupid choices. I think RC is an immature idiot and just not acting right, he is acting out of the norm,but if we believe everything people say about the family member of the missing,shame on us. I think the rumors about RC are being believed because people want to since they have labeled him an abuser already because he reminds them of their abusive ex or something. I for one am not going to let rumors from "family" control what I think on this case, I am not going to let my past control what I think. I am going to let the facts control what I think. Granted, there are not many PROVEN facts out there,but that does not mean believe what rumor you want and make it fact either. I know everyone means well, but tunnel vision due to our past and rumors is not finding Haleigh. I am trying to be the voice of reason and speak my thoughts in the kindest way here, but it is getting hard when I see good smart monkeys stop posting and leave the thread because they just can no longer take the one sided view because a non cleared family member says this and that and it grows to be fact. The school verified Haleigh had fallen down at school, who are we or Crystal or anyone whom was NOT there when it happened to say that her injuries were not from a fall?  I would think the school would know,and it was CRYSTAL who claimed the school said those injuries were not from that fall,why take her word,after all,she does have a dog in this race. Please, just think before you take someones word for something. Just because LE has not said they are looking at Crystal,does not mean they are not,they said EVERYONE is suspect and that includes Crystal and camp. So please, just be careful at what you believe and repeat. That is all I am asking. You may also want to look at what is being posted on Topix.. I am not the only one feeling this.. this just posted at topix, seems many have same idea in the works as u do
 I have been reading the biggest bunch of garbage spread everywhere where rumor has become fact.It's getting beyond outrageous.the biomother is doing a really good job of sending out her family members to major forums and spreading lies and gossip,which otherwise intelligent people are buying into it.But,this is all about custody,backpay and revenge,isn't it?IMO Using Geraldo didn't work,so try different tactics,right?JMO
 then this post
 Marie's distant cousin that doesn't live there,called Marie when this happened,apparently had to explain who she was,does phonecalls with her.People wonder if she is Wayanne Kruger,the PR person for Crystal or a reporter.She says her name is Joyanna,who knows.But doing a fine job of spreading it.JMO
 another
 And now it's spread the frayed cut off winter gloves she used when playing are bandages on her hands,just so outrageous.
 all from this thread
 http://www.topix.com/forum/city/orlando-fl/T52VIGA63OER7TOO7/p611



ITA, Searching.

But re. the material covering Haleighs hands?  I can't venture a guess why it is there (and haven't), but when I was a kid I had to wear something on my hands to keep from getting addtl.  blisters from monkey bars and the like.  The material still looks like gauze and plastic wrap to me though (at least in the pics I saw)  :smt102.  But I don't know that protection of her hands is indicative of a crime.

I've sensed alot of rancor about RC from jump street. And I know some are avoiding this thread for the very reasons you've articulated.   Hopefully your thoughtful words will remind folks that there have been no arrests and what I consider trash talking (aka gross speculation ?) is not fair or warranted at this juncture (if ever). 

Foggy


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 05:48:21 PM
Searching, am not so sure that the discussions in here are so 'one-sided'.  We discuss different topics as they come up in the news, or what has been posted on other sites, incl those that we handle as 'rumors'.  The focus may be Ron on one day, Crystal on another, Misty on another, family members on another, SOs on another, and/or  sometimes all/most of them on any one day. 

If on Tuesday we are discussing something about Ron (for example), and someone pops in here to read without reading back to catch up, they sure might go away thinking that, 'geeeeeeez! it's all about Ron over there!'  And yet... had they continued to read even into the next day, they'd see the focus switch to another of the players/topics/rumors, and the discussion that ensues. 

I honestly believe that those who sit here and contribute, post after post, day after day, week after week, do see the balance in this forum, in this case.  Of course there are folks who strongly believe one way or the other on certain things.  That's a normal thing that happens in forums everywhere.  I personally feel strongly in one theory about Ron, yet at the same time feel strongly in one theory about Crystal, and another about Misty.  Do I know for sure 'who done it, when, how, where, why' ??  Nope I don't.  That's why it's called a theory, with every right to be changed and tweaked as new factual info is released. 

Just saying... a person who steps into the forum today and seeing me posting on abuse etc, sharing my strong feelings, might take away an idea that THAT is my only theory in the case.  Which is not true. 

I think this could be partly what seems to be tripping up some folks who think things in here are soooooo unbalanced and unfair.  I'd recommend to them to try looking at the whole picture, rather than a snippet of posts here and there. 

Just my opinion, for what it's worth.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 05:51:57 PM
GRACE: Why do you speak of Haleigh -- why do you speak of Haleigh in the past tense? I notice that you said Haleigh was a child with a lot of physical problems.

PICAZIO: Because she doesn`t have those physical problems anymore
.

Did anyone see this episode of the Nancy Grace show.  It was the new attorneys first interview.  I think the statements above are very interesting.  I also wonder based on her ( attorney)last statement to what extent Haleigh still has problems with TS. 

Ms Neves had said Haleigh had been very sick in the past. Pneumonia ?
Something else was that Haleigh was more prone to illnesses.
..
I would  like to know just what the hey and where the hey those 2 kids were on Saturday & Sunday. Were they with the Sykes or the Neves GrandMa ? I still think that whatever was going on for the two to three days before the Monday and who it was going on with is a key element.

Yes, I agree. And if, the rumor is true, and again I say if, Misty was on a three day bender, why oh why would you leave your children in her care?  ::MonkeyEek::


Is this quote wonky? Or did I do it? I see two boxes but three names.


Yes, Kat_Gram and No Rose, but I'm still confused; (What else is new...)  :-)

Ron does shift work (ie 3 "on" .... and 4 "off," or vice versa) so do we know that Ron wasn't off during the 3 day bender in question?  If he were off work then perhaps he was  able to watch the kids himself?? (But then how would he be free to track down the AWOL Misty? .... If that's what happened, I mean.)

Also, do we have confirmation of Misty's said bender? Not doubting the likelihood of it happening at all. Just wondering if there were a link or summin - not so much for me, but for the nay-sayers "out there,"... you know.... on the internets   :-)





Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: klaasend on March 15, 2009, 05:52:34 PM
Hi everyone, I have been trying to point out that there are 2 sides to every story, and then there is the truth.



Yes, Searching, sometimes that is the case.

However, other times, there are two sides to the story, and one side very much IS  true. (....and sadly true,  as the case may be.)




Rana, what do you mean one side very much true?  Do you have information that has convinced you of this?  If so please share it with me because I would very much like to be convinced of someone's guilt or innocence.  So far, all I have heard is the proverbial "he said, she said".  I am not saying you are wrong I just wish I could be as sure as you are.  I want to be convinced but I am not based on what I have seen or heard on talk shows, interviews, etc.  and what else do we have?


That is all any of us have other then Crystal and families words. I am not ready to convict this guy based on what little we have,but it seems some already have him convicted.. That makes me sad as it is not helping find Haleigh.

I'd say that 98% of what is discussed on any message board isn't going to help NOR is it going to hurt.  IMO there is about a 2% chance that someone will come up with something that actually helps find a missing person.  People are convicting anyone, just questioning the actions of some.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: TxLady2 on March 15, 2009, 05:54:43 PM
My computer is going crazy...so I am going to bed. Island do you know how to pull up links for the courthouse video last Monday? I want to try to get the tag number off the dark colored truck so I can get both run at one time.

I can pull up the link, but I can't do screen captures........also, IIRC I don't remember him actually getting into a truck in that video?



Thanks, IslandMonkey, for the CVZ insights. Very informative and sadly, not at all surprising, imo. In fact, it seems that all the experts and non-formal-experts that we've come across so far are "reading" the situation similarly. For me, when one gets a certain vibe, it's interesting; When several get the same/similar vibes, it's chilling..... and tellling, and "speaks volumes."

Did I understand correctly that Misty's engagement ring is an heirloom handed down from Mother Neves? Perhaps via Mother Sykes? (Or was  it Mother Croslin?)   
(TM Luckyday - heh.)

Well, ehx-SKYOOO-OO-OOZE.....muh-MEEEEE! (/Steve Martin, circa 1982) Now I feel a Dana Carvey Church Lady's, "How con-VEEEEN-ient" coming on....

Well, if the ring is indeed an heirloom, that squashes those nasty, unfair rumors about the possibility or inquiry whether the procurement of the ring had been funded by donation $$. So to be fair, maybe the truck - if it's "new" or rather, "new to Ron Ron" and in his name - maybe the truck is an heirloom too, passed down to Ron from Mother Neves....

(insert sardonic emoticion here)

Maybe now that Miss Croslin is the beaming and effusive Mrs. Cummings, perhaps now the new Mrs.Cummings can legally get her little mits on some of the $$..... sorry, I mean..... now maybe she can benefit from the generosity of others as Ron allegedly - according to some, - appears to have possibly done. I said "allegedly;" (So no need to jump me again like a monkey on a cupcake.)  :-)

What tears at my heart additionally - beyond Haleigh being missing, of course, is that the people who are donating.... let me re-phrase.... IOW, if the donations were to go instead to the Reward Fund, the total would rise faster and the chance of a legit tip materializing that could bring this to fruition would no doubt likely increase; and if the tipster felt the reward money was enough such that he could get his family safely, permanently relocated OUT of Satsuma he nay prceed with coming forward. Someone surely knows something; but the gain has to be worth the risk, imo.


MOO  :-)




Wow!! So are you saying that locals, if they know something, are sitting around waiting to see how high the reward money will go, before they go to LE with their information?? Or that it will take a lot more than $35,000 to get somebody to talk??
Geeez, if I were there and I knew something that would lead to finding Haleigh, or to whoever was responsible for taking her, I wouldn't care about getting a dime... I would have already shared everything I know by now... like as soon as I figured it out.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 05:57:00 PM
Hi everyone, I have been trying to point out that there are 2 sides to every story, and then there is the truth.



Yes, Searching, sometimes that is the case.

However, other times, there are two sides to the story, and one side very much IS  true. (....and sadly true,  as the case may be.)



Rana, what do you mean one side very much true?  Do you have information that has convinced you of this?  If so please share it with me because I would very much like to be convinced of someone's guilt or innocence.  So far, all I have heard is the proverbial "he said, she said".  I am not saying you are wrong I just wish I could be as sure as you are.  I want to be convinced but I am not based on what I have seen or heard on talk shows, interviews, etc.  and what else do we have?


That is all any of us have other then Crystal and families words. I am not ready to convict this guy based on what little we have,but it seems some already have him convicted.. That makes me sad as it is not helping find Haleigh.

I'd say that 98% of what is discussed on any message board isn't going to help NOR is it going to hurt.  IMO there is about a 2% chance that someone will come up with something that actually helps find a missing person.  People are convicting anyone, just questioning the actions of some.

You are spot on!!  I agree totally. For all its worth.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2009, 05:57:19 PM
I have read every post by this person who is suppose to be a neighbor of Ron. My opinion, I don't think this person is who he says he is, something very odd with his posts about Ron and Misty. Again, my opinion. Like many have doubts about AnnaFl, I have my doubts on this person.

I am SO glad somebody else sees him as I do.  I believe he's a 50 something guy.

His defense of Ron is just TOO much sometimes, and he just seems strange in some way, I just can't put my finger on it.  I also don't like how he thinks he knows Ron and Misty SO well, and said that he can hear everything in their mobile home, because the walls are so thin.  Hmmm????
[/quote]Yes, I can't put my finger on it either, I even thought it was Ron for awhile.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: TxLady2 on March 15, 2009, 05:59:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPfuhDG-OM

HL's bandaged hands @1:05


Thank you.  The only thing it appears the fingertips are not bandaged.  You can see nail polish on her little fingernails.  Don't know what would explain the bandages on both hands though.  Weird.

I read that with Turner's syndrome, they sometimes have webbed fingers and toes. Could this possibly be surgery to correct that?


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: higherhopes on March 15, 2009, 06:01:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPfuhDG-OM

HL's bandaged hands @1:05


Thank you.  The only thing it appears the fingertips are not bandaged.  You can see nail polish on her little fingernails.  Don't know what would explain the bandages on both hands though.  Weird.

I read that with Turner's syndrome, they sometimes have webbed fingers and toes. Could this possibly be surgery to correct that?
I have studied pictures of Haleigh even when she was younger and I see no sign that her fingers were ever webbed...


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: dsntslp on March 15, 2009, 06:01:51 PM
The picture of Haleigh with her hands bandaged is taken with her sitting on what looks like metal bleachers.  Could the reason for the bandages be a simple as she mildly scorched her hands on the hot metal bleacher?  Perhaps the pic's where she is lying on them is taken later in the day when it is cooler?  Maybe she fell riding her bike?

I think we all know how children at that age want bandaids to cover even the littlest boo boo.



Dsntslp, if the metal bleachers were hot enough to injure her to the extent that gauze bandages were needed, I can't imagine that - on the same day - she'd be out and about and smiling for pictures.... while laying on bleachers...... the same bleachers that had previously burned her...... that badly to require gauze..... around each entire hand; but that's imo.

And yes, we all may know how children at that age want bandaids to cover even the littlest boo boo. However, I don't know any kids who request gauze wrapping for their entire hands.... both.... for a "booboo."

And if it's all play and such, where are Jr's booboo gauzes? It's my experience that if a big sissy has something, then little brother has to have one too.... if it's something play related.

MOO


OK, what about grabbing hot monkey bars, the slide etc...
I am not saying this is what happened.  I am saying that there are so many other plausible answers and usually the first and most plausible is  the correct answer. The pictures are obviously taken at a baseball park or something similar that has bleachers.  It is quite possible it is a school and has a playground also.   A child's hands are usually bandaged because they had an accident not because someone intentionally hurt the child.  I will admit it is a possibility but without more proof I do not believe the bandaging is a result of abuse to be a probability.  JMO



Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 15, 2009, 06:03:07 PM
Searching, am not so sure that the discussions in here are so 'one-sided'.  We discuss different topics as they come up in the news, or what has been posted on other sites, incl those that we handle as 'rumors'.  The focus may be Ron on one day, Crystal on another, Misty on another, family members on another, SOs on another, and/or  sometimes all/most of them on any one day. 

If on Tuesday we are discussing something about Ron (for example), and someone pops in here to read without reading back to catch up, they sure might go away thinking that, 'geeeeeeez! it's all about Ron over there!'  And yet... had they continued to read even into the next day, they'd see the focus switch to another of the players/topics/rumors, and the discussion that ensues. 

I honestly believe that those who sit here and contribute, post after post, day after day, week after week, do see the balance in this forum, in this case.  Of course there are folks who strongly believe one way or the other on certain things.  That's a normal thing that happens in forums everywhere.  I personally feel strongly in one theory about Ron, yet at the same time feel strongly in one theory about Crystal, and another about Misty.  Do I know for sure 'who done it, when, how, where, why' ??  Nope I don't.  That's why it's called a theory, with every right to be changed and tweaked as new factual info is released. 

Just saying... a person who steps into the forum today and seeing me posting on abuse etc, sharing my strong feelings, might take away an idea that THAT is my only theory in the case.  Which is not true. 

I think this could be partly what seems to be tripping up some folks who think things in here are soooooo unbalanced and unfair.  I'd recommend to them to try looking at the whole picture, rather than a snippet of posts here and there. 

Just my opinion, for what it's worth.


And your opinion is dead on, as far as I think.

I don't see any ONE SIDE to this forum. I see people post who have strong feelings on ONE SIDE and then people post who have strong feelings on the OTHER SIDE.

Personally, I have NO idea what happened, and I am reading all posts to see what each poster adds to the table.

Looking at all sides as objectively as we can is the best thing we can do, IMO.

And that is what a forum of this nature is for, I thought ;-)


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Searching on March 15, 2009, 06:09:22 PM
Searching, am not so sure that the discussions in here are so 'one-sided'.  We discuss different topics as they come up in the news, or what has been posted on other sites, incl those that we handle as 'rumors'.  The focus may be Ron on one day, Crystal on another, Misty on another, family members on another, SOs on another, and/or  sometimes all/most of them on any one day. 

If on Tuesday we are discussing something about Ron (for example), and someone pops in here to read without reading back to catch up, they sure might go away thinking that, 'geeeeeeez! it's all about Ron over there!'  And yet... had they continued to read even into the next day, they'd see the focus switch to another of the players/topics/rumors, and the discussion that ensues. 

I honestly believe that those who sit here and contribute, post after post, day after day, week after week, do see the balance in this forum, in this case.  Of course there are folks who strongly believe one way or the other on certain things.  That's a normal thing that happens in forums everywhere.  I personally feel strongly in one theory about Ron, yet at the same time feel strongly in one theory about Crystal, and another about Misty.  Do I know for sure 'who done it, when, how, where, why' ??  Nope I don't.  That's why it's called a theory, with every right to be changed and tweaked as new factual info is released. 

Just saying... a person who steps into the forum today and seeing me posting on abuse etc, sharing my strong feelings, might take away an idea that THAT is my only theory in the case.  Which is not true. 

I think this could be partly what seems to be tripping up some folks who think things in here are soooooo unbalanced and unfair.  I'd recommend to them to try looking at the whole picture, rather than a snippet of posts here and there. 

Just my opinion, for what it's worth.

Wyks, you should know then that I have been here for the long haul, I have been here everyday and I just feel bad seeing that some already have RC guilty of abuse at the very least. I have seen no evidence of any abuse, just heard the allegations that Crystal contradicts her own words with. Now, I told my daughter when she started dating her latest boyfriend I did not think he was a good person and bad things would come... I said that after talking to him,not watching him on tv... I SPOKE to him SEVERAL times before basing an opinion of him. Now.. I have to go pick up my daughter,she just called me, he has been thumping her around,which I warned her he would, but only after talking to him. So, I do not have time to really get into answering everyone,but will when I get back.
P.S.. IMO if RC was as violent as some say, I feel whorealdo would have gotten a free nose job... If he had approached me like that with my child missing,you better believe he'd be eating thru a straw,and I do NOT have a bad temper. That is why my daughter called me instead of her father, I am the level headed one.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: GramaMonkey on March 15, 2009, 06:10:17 PM
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Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: rana on March 15, 2009, 06:11:13 PM
Hi everyone, I have been trying to point out that there are 2 sides to every story, and then there is the truth. It seems that the objective views of a lot of people has been hijacked by the words of family members thru 3rd and 4th parties. There is a reason that investigators are not allowed to befriend suspects and friends of suspects are not allowed to investigate their friends case,the conclusions become biased and skewed. Please do not take this wrong, I am trying to point out that there has not been an fair balance of things here. If you have read my posts, you know I do not think RC is either guilty or not same for Crystal and everyone else. At this point even LE says EVERYONE is suspect. That means Crystal too. If you go back and watch interviews and read them, Crystal praised RC and said how he was a good person... Then later came allegations of abuse. I do not buy she was afraid to speak out because she was surrounded by LE and on tv.  I get the feeling it was a thought process fed to her by her family and whorealdo himself of wow, we can use this.. This can get custody back of the children... etc etc. I do not feel it is healthy to keep on this same road of abuse allegations where there is no proof, not for the thread, as people do read here and see the one way ticket that has been purchased by many,and not for the individuals whom are buying the ticket. What are those folks going to feel like if it is found that RC NEVER harmed his children NOR Crystal, yet his name has been put out as an abuser by them? Can we please agree to disagree and move on? I am an abuse victim myself, but I am NOT going to let MY past lead me to a false or possibly false answer to questions in any case. I also have a son that is a "wangsta" and he acts like RC, but would NEVER harm a woman or child and has never harmed any one but himself with his stupid choices. I think RC is an immature idiot and just not acting right, he is acting out of the norm,but if we believe everything people say about the family member of the missing,shame on us. I think the rumors about RC are being believed because people want to since they have labeled him an abuser already because he reminds them of their abusive ex or something. I for one am not going to let rumors from "family" control what I think on this case, I am not going to let my past control what I think. I am going to let the facts control what I think. Granted, there are not many PROVEN facts out there,but that does not mean believe what rumor you want and make it fact either. I know everyone means well, but tunnel vision due to our past and rumors is not finding Haleigh. I am trying to be the voice of reason and speak my thoughts in the kindest way here, but it is getting hard when I see good smart monkeys stop posting and leave the thread because they just can no longer take the one sided view because a non cleared family member says this and that and it grows to be fact. The school verified Haleigh had fallen down at school, who are we or Crystal or anyone whom was NOT there when it happened to say that her injuries were not from a fall?  I would think the school would know,and it was CRYSTAL who claimed the school said those injuries were not from that fall,why take her word,after all,she does have a dog in this race. Please, just think before you take someones word for something. Just because LE has not said they are looking at Crystal,does not mean they are not,they said EVERYONE is suspect and that includes Crystal and camp. So please, just be careful at what you believe and repeat. That is all I am asking. You may also want to look at what is being posted on Topix.. I am not the only one feeling this.. this just posted at topix, seems many have same idea in the works as u do
 I have been reading the biggest bunch of garbage spread everywhere where rumor has become fact.It's getting beyond outrageous.the biomother is doing a really good job of sending out her family members to major forums and spreading lies and gossip,which otherwise intelligent people are buying into it.But,this is all about custody,backpay and revenge,isn't it?IMO Using Geraldo didn't work,so try different tactics,right?JMO
 then this post
 Marie's distant cousin that doesn't live there,called Marie when this happened,apparently had to explain who she was,does phonecalls with her.People wonder if she is Wayanne Kruger,the PR person for Crystal or a reporter.She says her name is Joyanna,who knows.But doing a fine job of spreading it.JMO
 another
 And now it's spread the frayed cut off winter gloves she used when playing are bandages on her hands,just so outrageous.
 all from this thread
 http://www.topix.com/forum/city/orlando-fl/T52VIGA63OER7TOO7/p611



ITA, Searching.

But re. the material covering Haleighs hands?  I can't venture a guess why it is there (and haven't), but when I was a kid I had to wear something on my hands to keep from getting addtl.  blisters from monkey bars and the like.  The material still looks like gauze and plastic wrap to me though (at least in the pics I saw)  :smt102.  But I don't know that protection of her hands is indicative of a crime.

I've sensed alot of rancor about RC from jump street. And I know some are avoiding this thread for the very reasons you've articulated. 

 Hopefully your thoughtful words will remind folks that there have been no arrests and what I consider trash talking (aka gross speculation ?) is not fair or warranted at this juncture (if ever). 

Foggy



Foggy Dew, I'm wondering where Jr's gauze-monkey-bar coverings are?   

And why must you continue to characterize opinions with which you don't agree as trash talk  etc? The Cummings case is the topic of the thread, not your opinion of the posters and how posters choose to express themselves.

I see people being respectful of your opinions; Too bad you don't seem to return the courtesy.

Go ahead and say what YOU feel is warranted at this effing juncture. And how about for a change letting let others do the same without having to incur your wrath and assessment of them. Again... POSTERS are not the topic of the thread. Haleigh's case is.

Now excuse me while I go kick some cinderblocks up a ramp.

PS when you call out fellow posters in a RUDE way, expect to get back what you give out.

Yeah, I'm signing my name like I'm effin Madonna or Elvis or any of those other one named celebs.   MOO

Rana






Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: mizjay on March 15, 2009, 06:14:36 PM
Searching, am not so sure that the discussions in here are so 'one-sided'.  We discuss different topics as they come up in the news, or what has been posted on other sites, incl those that we handle as 'rumors'.  The focus may be Ron on one day, Crystal on another, Misty on another, family members on another, SOs on another, and/or  sometimes all/most of them on any one day. 

If on Tuesday we are discussing something about Ron (for example), and someone pops in here to read without reading back to catch up, they sure might go away thinking that, 'geeeeeeez! it's all about Ron over there!'  And yet... had they continued to read even into the next day, they'd see the focus switch to another of the players/topics/rumors, and the discussion that ensues. 

I honestly believe that those who sit here and contribute, post after post, day after day, week after week, do see the balance in this forum, in this case.  Of course there are folks who strongly believe one way or the other on certain things.  That's a normal thing that happens in forums everywhere.  I personally feel strongly in one theory about Ron, yet at the same time feel strongly in one theory about Crystal, and another about Misty.  Do I know for sure 'who done it, when, how, where, why' ??  Nope I don't.  That's why it's called a theory, with every right to be changed and tweaked as new factual info is released. 

Just saying... a person who steps into the forum today and seeing me posting on abuse etc, sharing my strong feelings, might take away an idea that THAT is my only theory in the case.  Which is not true. 

I think this could be partly what seems to be tripping up some folks who think things in here are soooooo unbalanced and unfair.  I'd recommend to them to try looking at the whole picture, rather than a snippet of posts here and there. 

Just my opinion, for what it's worth.


And your opinion is dead on, as far as I think.

I don't see any ONE SIDE to this forum. I see people post who have strong feelings on ONE SIDE and then people post who have strong feelings on the OTHER SIDE.

Personally, I have NO idea what happened, and I am reading all posts to see what each poster adds to the table.

Looking at all sides as objectively as we can is the best thing we can do, IMO.

And that is what a forum of this nature is for, I thought ;-)

   Brandi and Wyks, just a bit more on the subject. I agree with both of you and some comparisons to the Caylee thread have been made previously and in musings. The caylee thread is almost virtualy unanimous in it's belief that KC is guilty and that solidarity is a comfort and a safe place to vent feelings and let off steam with humor. With this case, all we have is speculation. In the end some of us or maybe none of us will be "right" and until then, taking apart every player and their past is the only way to try and make an opinion to attempt to make sense of a horrible crime. Justice for HL  or her safe return is all any of us want.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Sleepless in Florida on March 15, 2009, 06:16:04 PM
Hi everyone, I have been trying to point out that there are 2 sides to every story, and then there is the truth.



Yes, Searching, sometimes that is the case.

However, other times, there are two sides to the story, and one side very much IS  true. (....and sadly true,  as the case may be.)




Rana, what do you mean one side very much true?  Do you have information that has convinced you of this?  If so please share it with me because I would very much like to be convinced of someone's guilt or innocence.  So far, all I have heard is the proverbial "he said, she said".  I am not saying you are wrong I just wish I could be as sure as you are.  I want to be convinced but I am not based on what I have seen or heard on talk shows, interviews, etc.  and what else do we have?


That is all any of us have other then Crystal and families words. I am not ready to convict this guy based on what little we have,but it seems some already have him convicted.. That makes me sad as it is not helping find Haleigh.

I'd say that 98% of what is discussed on any message board isn't going to help NOR is it going to hurt.  IMO there is about a 2% chance that someone will come up with something that actually helps find a missing person.  People are convicting anyone, just questioning the actions of some.

On the other hand, perhaps figuring out who is responsible for Haleigh's abduction will help find her. By knowing who is responsible and their recent activities and whereabouts, it would narrow down areas that need to be searched.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 15, 2009, 06:20:09 PM
Searching, am not so sure that the discussions in here are so 'one-sided'.  We discuss different topics as they come up in the news, or what has been posted on other sites, incl those that we handle as 'rumors'.  The focus may be Ron on one day, Crystal on another, Misty on another, family members on another, SOs on another, and/or  sometimes all/most of them on any one day. 

If on Tuesday we are discussing something about Ron (for example), and someone pops in here to read without reading back to catch up, they sure might go away thinking that, 'geeeeeeez! it's all about Ron over there!'  And yet... had they continued to read even into the next day, they'd see the focus switch to another of the players/topics/rumors, and the discussion that ensues. 

I honestly believe that those who sit here and contribute, post after post, day after day, week after week, do see the balance in this forum, in this case.  Of course there are folks who strongly believe one way or the other on certain things.  That's a normal thing that happens in forums everywhere.  I personally feel strongly in one theory about Ron, yet at the same time feel strongly in one theory about Crystal, and another about Misty.  Do I know for sure 'who done it, when, how, where, why' ??  Nope I don't.  That's why it's called a theory, with every right to be changed and tweaked as new factual info is released. 

Just saying... a person who steps into the forum today and seeing me posting on abuse etc, sharing my strong feelings, might take away an idea that THAT is my only theory in the case.  Which is not true. 

I think this could be partly what seems to be tripping up some folks who think things in here are soooooo unbalanced and unfair.  I'd recommend to them to try looking at the whole picture, rather than a snippet of posts here and there. 

Just my opinion, for what it's worth.


And your opinion is dead on, as far as I think.

I don't see any ONE SIDE to this forum. I see people post who have strong feelings on ONE SIDE and then people post who have strong feelings on the OTHER SIDE.

Personally, I have NO idea what happened, and I am reading all posts to see what each poster adds to the table.

Looking at all sides as objectively as we can is the best thing we can do, IMO.

And that is what a forum of this nature is for, I thought ;-)

   Brandi and Wyks, just a bit more on the subject. I agree with both of you and some comparisons to the Caylee thread have been made previously and in musings. The caylee thread is almost virtualy unanimous in it's belief that KC is guilty and that solidarity is a comfort and a safe place to vent feelings and let off steam with humor. With this case, all we have is speculation. In the end some of us or maybe none of us will be "right" and until then, taking apart every player and their past is the only way to try and make an opinion to attempt to make sense of a horrible crime. Justice for HL  or her safe return is all any of us want.

Thanks, mizjay. I agree. And in the Caylee case, we have a thing called evidence.

Not so, in this case. Yet. All the more reason to try to keep an open mind.

;-)


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2009, 06:21:08 PM
Has anyone here heard that Roy Kronk is in Satsuma? Just curious, I'm reading he is, and just wondered if he is, why? Was he invited by a family member?  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: mizjay on March 15, 2009, 06:25:15 PM
Has anyone here heard that Roy Kronk is in Satsuma? ::MonkeyConfused:: Just curious, I'm reading he is, and just wondered if he is, why? Was he invited by a family member? 


 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::      FTLOG   If so, WTH for ???????????????????    Crazystuff


     


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: dsntslp on March 15, 2009, 06:27:49 PM
Wasn't it said that Kronk was a bounty hunter or repo man at one time? Was that in S. FL?  (Do I remember this right?)  Maybe he knows Cobra?


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 06:28:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPfuhDG-OM

HL's bandaged hands @1:05


Thank you.  The only thing it appears the fingertips are not bandaged.  You can see nail polish on her little fingernails.  Don't know what would explain the bandages on both hands though.  Weird.

I read that with Turner's syndrome, they sometimes have webbed fingers and toes. Could this possibly be surgery to correct that?

What is Turner syndrome?
Turner syndrome is a chromosomal condition that affects development in females. The most common feature of Turner syndrome is short stature, which becomes evident by about age 5. An early loss of ovarian function (premature ovarian failure) is also very common. The ovaries develop normally at first, but egg cells (oocytes) usually die prematurely and most ovarian tissue degenerates before birth. Many affected girls do not undergo puberty unless they are treated with the hormone estrogen. A small percentage of females with Turner syndrome retain normal ovarian function through young adulthood.

About 30 percent of people with Turner syndrome have extra folds of skin on the neck (webbed neck), a low hairline at the back of the neck, puffiness or swelling (lymphedema) of the hands and feet, skeletal abnormalities, and/or kidney problems. One third to one half of people with Turner syndrome are born with a heart defect, such as a narrowing of the large artery leaving the heart (coarctation of the aorta) or abnormalities of the valve that connects the aorta with the heart (the aortic valve).

Most girls and women with Turner syndrome have normal intelligence. Developmental delays, nonverbal learning disabilities, and behavioral problems are possible, although these characteristics vary among affected individuals. Studies show that many women with Turner syndrome have higher-than-average educational achievements.

No mention of web fingers or toes, just neck.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 06:31:50 PM
Searching, am not so sure that the discussions in here are so 'one-sided'.  We discuss different topics as they come up in the news, or what has been posted on other sites, incl those that we handle as 'rumors'.  The focus may be Ron on one day, Crystal on another, Misty on another, family members on another, SOs on another, and/or  sometimes all/most of them on any one day. 

If on Tuesday we are discussing something about Ron (for example), and someone pops in here to read without reading back to catch up, they sure might go away thinking that, 'geeeeeeez! it's all about Ron over there!'  And yet... had they continued to read even into the next day, they'd see the focus switch to another of the players/topics/rumors, and the discussion that ensues. 

I honestly believe that those who sit here and contribute, post after post, day after day, week after week, do see the balance in this forum, in this case.  Of course there are folks who strongly believe one way or the other on certain things.  That's a normal thing that happens in forums everywhere.  I personally feel strongly in one theory about Ron, yet at the same time feel strongly in one theory about Crystal, and another about Misty.  Do I know for sure 'who done it, when, how, where, why' ??  Nope I don't.  That's why it's called a theory, with every right to be changed and tweaked as new factual info is released. 

Just saying... a person who steps into the forum today and seeing me posting on abuse etc, sharing my strong feelings, might take away an idea that THAT is my only theory in the case.  Which is not true. 

I think this could be partly what seems to be tripping up some folks who think things in here are soooooo unbalanced and unfair.  I'd recommend to them to try looking at the whole picture, rather than a snippet of posts here and there. 

Just my opinion, for what it's worth.

Wyks, you should know then that I have been here for the long haul, I have been here everyday and I just feel bad seeing that some already have RC guilty of abuse at the very least. I have seen no evidence of any abuse, just heard the allegations that Crystal contradicts her own words with. Now, I told my daughter when she started dating her latest boyfriend I did not think he was a good person and bad things would come... I said that after talking to him,not watching him on tv... I SPOKE to him SEVERAL times before basing an opinion of him. Now.. I have to go pick up my daughter,she just called me, he has been thumping her around,which I warned her he would, but only after talking to him. So, I do not have time to really get into answering everyone,but will when I get back.
P.S.. IMO if RC was as violent as some say, I feel whorealdo would have gotten a free nose job... If he had approached me like that with my child missing,you better believe he'd be eating thru a straw,and I do NOT have a bad temper. That is why my daughter called me instead of her father, I am the level headed one.

Am glad your daughter called you, it's so sad when these things happen! 

Well, I'm sorry that you see this forum in this way.  Will just have to respectfully agree to disagree then.  Cuz I see folks sharing their opinions one way or another, yet realizing their thoughts and opinions on any of the players aren't going to convict that person. 

Not sure if you caught the point I was trying to make in that post.  My strong opinions on one theory about Ron/Misty, (for example) surely may 'appear' to some that I believe him/Misty to be guilty.  Yet had they carefully read in the last thread, they may remember that I offered strong opinions on Crystal/family, which surely may 'appear' to some that I believe one or more of them to be guilty.  None of know who is guilty.  I can feel one way about one player, and when someone brings up a topic on another player, I can go 'hmmmm.. yesssssss.. that's a possibility too.'  The thing is, even tho it may 'appear' to some like we've decided one person is guilty over another, that doesn't make it so.  And even if we posters sit here and actually say, 'ok this is who did it', doesn't make it so either. 

It's just a discussion of our different theories on any given day/topic. 

Look at what happened over on Caylee's thread.......  ::MonkeyConfused::  The majority is pretty convinced that Casey is guilty, because of the discovery made by LE, because of the pics/words/behaviors etc of Casey.  Does what we believe and discuss in there about her, make her the guilty one?  No, only a judge and jury can do that.  Some of us have even discussed how we feel that Casey isn't the 'only' guilty one, and hope for further arrests in that case.

Although these two cases are seperate, we are doing the same thing in both cases, discussing what we know to be true, as well as what we believe *might* be true. 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: dsntslp on March 15, 2009, 06:33:02 PM
Maybe someone could look Kronk's info up if it is the Caylee thread?  I am not sure I remember that right at all and I for sure do not want to start rumors.  I would do it myself but dinner is on the table and my family is waiting.  Thanks.  BBL


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Anna on March 15, 2009, 06:35:27 PM
I would hate for somebody to try to make something sinister out of every time one of my kids got hurt or had a bandage.  One or the other of them seemed to have one all the time.

Also one rolled a chair up to the kitchen range, proceeded to turn on burner with the push button controls then tried to climb up on it.  No, he didn't pull his had back when it felt hot because it stuck to the burner and he got third degree burns on the palm of his hand.  In a combination family room and kitchen with four adults and one child within feet of the range, too. 

Another got a perfect shiner by falling and hitting the base of one of those little chalkboards.  One had his scalp sutured shut by the doctor tying his hair instead of using suture material. 

Ah. . . .memories. . .not all are good but some we can laugh about today and again, I am thankful no one tried to attach sinister activities behind all the injuries and accidents.  We sure had our share with three boys and all their rowdy friends including one going over the front of a bicycle and asking if he was going to die! 



Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: higherhopes on March 15, 2009, 06:36:03 PM
OK in the mist of all this not in agreement stuff going on I would like to make a few comments and see who does and does not agree with what I have observed since this case began!

   OK Ron and Mistie getting married right now,,,,uh how many here think they are madly in Love and just couldnt wait to get married........

Not me, I would say someone in the know had told them this would be the best thing to do, or either Ron said to himself, Hey Ill marry Mistie, that way I can keep her close to me at all times, LE might not be able to make us testify against each other if it comes down to that and I can divorce the dumb b!tch later if I have to or she can just have and accident or   something.....Also it will look good for me when Chrstal takes my butt back to court.

 See if he truly wanted to marry Mistie, in my opinion he would have done it already, phewy on "there wasnt enough time" the entire ceremony didnt last fifeteen minutes, but before they had no way to go on a honeymoon.
  also phewy on this is what Haleigh wanted, well then why didnt he get married before Haleigh went missing, my God anybody with a little common sense can see this was done for a reason other than they just wanted to get married,  Now I dont know what that reason is myself, but I know its a very important reason for Ronald to give up his gansta lifestyle and marry the dumb b!tch that was the last person to see his daughter or see what happened to his daughter, now Im not starting rumors or talking bad about Ronald, Im just making  a comment about his latest escapade and the reasons for it, reasons that anybody with and ounce of sense can see that there's something in the milk thats not white and thats all folks!!!!!!!!!!!1


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: TxLady2 on March 15, 2009, 06:38:08 PM
John O’Connor Interviews Crystal Sheffield

http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/john-oconnor-interviews-crystal-sheffield/

'I passed the polygraph'

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/02/24/ng.mom.polygraph.cnn

Rewatching Crystals interview in this tape, she says "a man dressed in black" and then with Geraldo she says "a black man dressed in black". She has changed her story also.
Uhh I wouldnt say she changed her story, I would say she just got confused with the black thing, but still thats alot different then changing your story about what you were doing the night haleigh came up missing, just different IMO

It wasn't her story, it was Jr.'s. And I only watched the interview once, but could she possibly have said it like this..." a black... uh, a man dressed in black", sort of hesitating between, like she was correcting herself? That kind of thing is easy to misunderstand.


I just watched the John Oconner interview and she said "a black man dressed in black".  And this interview did not strike me as any different in demeanor than Misty's. do you have the link to the Geraldo interview.  I watched that but missed seeing the picture.  Must have been before I got in on the show.

No, sorry, it was on his show, I'm not sure if Fox keeps transcripts of them or not. I don't really remember just how she said it, I was asking if that could be a sort of misspeak. First I heard about it being a black man was on these forums, and I went, HUH?


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 06:38:23 PM
Searching, am not so sure that the discussions in here are so 'one-sided'.  We discuss different topics as they come up in the news, or what has been posted on other sites, incl those that we handle as 'rumors'.  The focus may be Ron on one day, Crystal on another, Misty on another, family members on another, SOs on another, and/or  sometimes all/most of them on any one day. 

If on Tuesday we are discussing something about Ron (for example), and someone pops in here to read without reading back to catch up, they sure might go away thinking that, 'geeeeeeez! it's all about Ron over there!'  And yet... had they continued to read even into the next day, they'd see the focus switch to another of the players/topics/rumors, and the discussion that ensues. 

I honestly believe that those who sit here and contribute, post after post, day after day, week after week, do see the balance in this forum, in this case.  Of course there are folks who strongly believe one way or the other on certain things.  That's a normal thing that happens in forums everywhere.  I personally feel strongly in one theory about Ron, yet at the same time feel strongly in one theory about Crystal, and another about Misty.  Do I know for sure 'who done it, when, how, where, why' ??  Nope I don't.  That's why it's called a theory, with every right to be changed and tweaked as new factual info is released. 

Just saying... a person who steps into the forum today and seeing me posting on abuse etc, sharing my strong feelings, might take away an idea that THAT is my only theory in the case.  Which is not true. 

I think this could be partly what seems to be tripping up some folks who think things in here are soooooo unbalanced and unfair.  I'd recommend to them to try looking at the whole picture, rather than a snippet of posts here and there. 

Just my opinion, for what it's worth.


And your opinion is dead on, as far as I think.

I don't see any ONE SIDE to this forum. I see people post who have strong feelings on ONE SIDE and then people post who have strong feelings on the OTHER SIDE.

Personally, I have NO idea what happened, and I am reading all posts to see what each poster adds to the table.

Looking at all sides as objectively as we can is the best thing we can do, IMO.

And that is what a forum of this nature is for, I thought ;-)

   Brandi and Wyks, just a bit more on the subject. I agree with both of you and some comparisons to the Caylee thread have been made previously and in musings. The caylee thread is almost virtualy unanimous in it's belief that KC is guilty and that solidarity is a comfort and a safe place to vent feelings and let off steam with humor. With this case, all we have is speculation. In the end some of us or maybe none of us will be "right" and until then, taking apart every player and their past is the only way to try and make an opinion to attempt to make sense of a horrible crime. Justice for HL  or her safe return is all any of us want.

Thank you both for your comments, very well said, each! 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 06:39:53 PM
Has anyone here heard that Roy Kronk is in Satsuma? Just curious, I'm reading he is, and just wondered if he is, why? Was he invited by a family member?  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyEek::

No way!!  Where are you reading that? 

Well, we've heard they changed his route at work.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2009, 06:40:23 PM
Wasn't it said that Kronk was a bounty hunter or repo man at one time? Was that in S. FL?  (Do I remember this right?)  Maybe he knows Cobra?
You're right, maybe he knows Cobra, but he was a bounty hunter, I want to say Tennessee, it was another state.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 15, 2009, 06:41:28 PM
OK in the mist of all this not in agreement stuff going on I would like to make a few comments and see who does and does not agree with what I have observed since this case began!

   OK Ron and Mistie getting married right now,,,,uh how many here think they are madly in Love and just couldnt wait to get married........

Not me, I would say someone in the know had told them this would be the best thing to do, or either Ron said to himself, Hey Ill marry Mistie, that way I can keep her close to me at all times, LE might not be able to make us testify against each other if it comes down to that and I can divorce the dumb b!tch later if I have to or she can just have and accident or   something.....Also it will look good for me when Chrstal takes my butt back to court.

 See if he truly wanted to marry Mistie, in my opinion he would have done it already, phewy on "there wasnt enough time" the entire ceremony didnt last fifeteen minutes, but before they had no way to go on a honeymoon.
  also phewy on this is what Haleigh wanted, well then why didnt he get married before Haleigh went missing, my God anybody with a little common sense can see this was done for a reason other than they just wanted to get married,  Now I dont know what that reason is myself, but I know its a very important reason for Ronald to give up his gansta lifestyle and marry the dumb b!tch that was the last person to see his daughter or see what happened to his daughter, now Im not starting rumors or talking bad about Ronald, Im just making  a comment about his latest escapade and the reasons for it, reasons that anybody with and ounce of sense can see that there's something in the milk thats not white and thats all folks!!!!!!!!!!!1

We have all voiced our opinions about the marriage and the timing of it here already.

Haven't we? ;-)


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 06:42:23 PM
Wasn't it said that Kronk was a bounty hunter or repo man at one time? Was that in S. FL?  (Do I remember this right?)  Maybe he knows Cobra?

Kronk, a former bail bondsman. I found this in an ABC news article. I guess it is true but you never know.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 06:42:40 PM

Thanks, mizjay. I agree. And in the Caylee case, we have a thing called evidence.

Not so, in this case. Yet. All the more reason to try to keep an open mind.

;-)

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That's one reason I am an equal opportunity theorist.  I have at least one theory on each player in this case.   ::MonkeyHaHa::




Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Brandi on March 15, 2009, 06:43:31 PM
Wasn't it said that Kronk was a bounty hunter or repo man at one time? Was that in S. FL?  (Do I remember this right?)  Maybe he knows Cobra?
You're right, maybe he knows Cobra, but he was a bounty hunter, I want to say Tennessee, it was another state.

That's exactly the way I remember it, No rose.

But I'll be darned if I can find a news article up now to substantiate that. LOL

But I think this is correct info, and it is possible he knows Cobra and they are visiting.

*shrug*


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2009, 06:43:49 PM
OK in the mist of all this not in agreement stuff going on I would like to make a few comments and see who does and does not agree with what I have observed since this case began!

   OK Ron and Mistie getting married right now,,,,uh how many here think they are madly in Love and just couldnt wait to get married........

Not me, I would say someone in the know had told them this would be the best thing to do, or either Ron said to himself, Hey Ill marry Mistie, that way I can keep her close to me at all times, LE might not be able to make us testify against each other if it comes down to that and I can divorce the dumb b!tch later if I have to or she can just have and accident or   something.....Also it will look good for me when Chrstal takes my butt back to court.

 See if he truly wanted to marry Mistie, in my opinion he would have done it already, phewy on "there wasnt enough time" the entire ceremony didnt last fifeteen minutes, but before they had no way to go on a honeymoon.
  also phewy on this is what Haleigh wanted, well then why didnt he get married before Haleigh went missing, my God anybody with a little common sense can see this was done for a reason other than they just wanted to get married,  Now I dont know what that reason is myself, but I know its a very important reason for Ronald to give up his gansta lifestyle and marry the dumb b!tch that was the last person to see his daughter or see what happened to his daughter, now Im not starting rumors or talking bad about Ronald, Im just making  a comment about his latest escapade and the reasons for it, reasons that anybody with and ounce of sense can see that there's something in the milk thats not white and thats all folks!!!!!!!!!!!1
Well if they are madly in love, it must be one sided, Ron hardly looks at her and when he does it isn't the most pleasant look.  ::MonkeyRoll:: This marriage imo is a joke.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2009, 06:45:09 PM
Has anyone here heard that Roy Kronk is in Satsuma? Just curious, I'm reading he is, and just wondered if he is, why? Was he invited by a family member?  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyEek::

No way!!  Where are you reading that? 

Well, we've heard they changed his route at work.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Basement, over yonder.  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 06:45:32 PM
Wasn't it said that Kronk was a bounty hunter or repo man at one time? Was that in S. FL?  (Do I remember this right?)  Maybe he knows Cobra?

Oh groan.... Now that you've mentioned, yeah, it sure was said that Kronk was a former bounty hunter or something like that.  By golly, sure do hope he didn't catch a ride to Satsuma with Murt!   ::MonkeyConfused::

 


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: TxLady2 on March 15, 2009, 06:48:12 PM
I have read every post by this person who is suppose to be a neighbor of Ron. My opinion, I don't think this person is who he says he is, something very odd with his posts about Ron and Misty. Again, my opinion. Like many have doubts about AnnaFl, I have my doubts on this person.

I am SO glad somebody else sees him as I do.  I believe he's a 50 something guy.

His defense of Ron is just TOO much sometimes, and he just seems strange in some way, I just can't put my finger on it.  I also don't like how he thinks he knows Ron and Misty SO well, and said that he can hear everything in their mobile home, because the walls are so thin.  Hmmm????
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Being a neighbor doesn't exactly give a person sufficient cause to know someone inside and out, especially with so much age difference. And the important thing, he is not a neighbor now, and was not during the disappearance of Haleigh.
And since Ron and Misty have been living where they do now for 3 or 4 months, which is close to the amount of time they've been together... how well could this guy know Misty? Not very well, I would think.


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: higherhopes on March 15, 2009, 06:50:01 PM
OK in the mist of all this not in agreement stuff going on I would like to make a few comments and see who does and does not agree with what I have observed since this case began!

   OK Ron and Mistie getting married right now,,,,uh how many here think they are madly in Love and just couldnt wait to get married........

Not me, I would say someone in the know had told them this would be the best thing to do, or either Ron said to himself, Hey Ill marry Mistie, that way I can keep her close to me at all times, LE might not be able to make us testify against each other if it comes down to that and I can divorce the dumb b!tch later if I have to or she can just have and accident or   something.....Also it will look good for me when Chrstal takes my butt back to court.

 See if he truly wanted to marry Mistie, in my opinion he would have done it already, phewy on "there wasnt enough time" the entire ceremony didnt last fifeteen minutes, but before they had no way to go on a honeymoon.
  also phewy on this is what Haleigh wanted, well then why didnt he get married before Haleigh went missing, my God anybody with a little common sense can see this was done for a reason other than they just wanted to get married,  Now I dont know what that reason is myself, but I know its a very important reason for Ronald to give up his gansta lifestyle and marry the dumb b!tch that was the last person to see his daughter or see what happened to his daughter, now Im not starting rumors or talking bad about Ronald, Im just making  a comment about his latest escapade and the reasons for it, reasons that anybody with and ounce of sense can see that there's something in the milk thats not white and thats all folks!!!!!!!!!!!1

We have all voiced our opinions about the marriage and the timing of it here already.

Haven't we? ;-)
some have ....some havent....I must be one of the ones that hadnt yet, ok now Im all caught up!


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: mizjay on March 15, 2009, 06:53:17 PM

Thanks, mizjay. I agree. And in the Caylee case, we have a thing called evidence.

Not so, in this case. Yet. All the more reason to try to keep an open mind.

;-)

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That's one reason I am an equal opportunity theorist.  I have at least one theory on each player in this case.   ::MonkeyHaHa::




   ::MonkeyHaHa::   When there is even one confirmed piece of evidence  there will be a while different rumble in this cage.
                           I am with you on the ever swinging rope of who did it or why . Nobody deserves a pass right now IMO


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Wyks on March 15, 2009, 06:54:37 PM
Has anyone here heard that Roy Kronk is in Satsuma? Just curious, I'm reading he is, and just wondered if he is, why? Was he invited by a family member?  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyEek::

No way!!  Where are you reading that? 

Well, we've heard they changed his route at work.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Basement, over yonder.  ::MonkeyTongue::

Thanks!  Hope you'll keep us posted about this.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: minnie on March 15, 2009, 06:56:36 PM
OK in the mist of all this not in agreement stuff going on I would like to make a few comments and see who does and does not agree with what I have observed since this case began!

   OK Ron and Mistie getting married right now,,,,uh how many here think they are madly in Love and just couldnt wait to get married........

Not me, I would say someone in the know had told them this would be the best thing to do, or either Ron said to himself, Hey Ill marry Mistie, that way I can keep her close to me at all times, LE might not be able to make us testify against each other if it comes down to that and I can divorce the dumb b!tch later if I have to or she can just have and accident or   something.....Also it will look good for me when Chrstal takes my butt back to court.

 See if he truly wanted to marry Mistie, in my opinion he would have done it already, phewy on "there wasnt enough time" the entire ceremony didnt last fifeteen minutes, but before they had no way to go on a honeymoon.
  also phewy on this is what Haleigh wanted, well then why didnt he get married before Haleigh went missing, my God anybody with a little common sense can see this was done for a reason other than they just wanted to get married,  Now I dont know what that reason is myself, but I know its a very important reason for Ronald to give up his gansta lifestyle and marry the dumb b!tch that was the last person to see his daughter or see what happened to his daughter, now Im not starting rumors or talking bad about Ronald, Im just making  a comment about his latest escapade and the reasons for it, reasons that anybody with and ounce of sense can see that there's something in the milk thats not white and thats all folks!!!!!!!!!!!1

We have all voiced our opinions about the marriage and the timing of it here already.

Haven't we? ;-)


some have ....some havent....I must be one of the ones that hadnt yet, ok now Im all caught up!

Are you kidding me!!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #7
Post by: Foggy Dew on March 15, 2009, 06:59:42 PM
Hi everyone, I have been trying to point out that there are 2 sides to every story, and then there is the truth. It seems that the objective views of a lot of people has been hijacked by the words of family members thru 3rd and 4th parties. There is a reason that investigators are not allowed to befriend suspects and friends of suspects are not allowed to investigate their friends case,the conclusions become biased and skewed. Please do not take this wrong, I am trying to point out that there has not been an fair balance of things here. If you have read my posts, you know I do not think RC is either guilty or not same for Crystal and everyone else. At this point even LE says EVERYONE is suspect. That means Crystal too. If you go back and watch interviews and read them, Crystal praised RC and said how he was a good person... Then later came allegations of abuse. I do not buy she was afraid to speak out because she was surrounded by LE and on tv.  I get the feeling it was a thought process fed to her by her family and whorealdo himself of wow, we can use this.. This can get custody back of the children... etc etc. I do not feel it is healthy to keep on this same road of abuse allegations where there is no proof, not for the thread, as people do read here and see the one way ticket that has been purchased by many,and not for the individuals whom are buying the ticket. What are those folks going to feel like if it is found that RC NEVER harmed his children NOR Crystal, yet his name has been put out as an abuser by them? Can we please agree to disagree and move on? I am an abuse victim myself, but I am NOT going to let MY past lead me to a false or possibly false answer to questions in any case. I also have a son that is a "wangsta" and he acts like RC, but would NEVER harm a woman or child and has never harmed any one but himself with his stupid choices. I think RC is an immature idiot and just not acting right, he is acting out of the norm,but if we believe everything people say about the family member of the missing,shame on us. I think the rumors about RC are being believed because people want to since they have labeled him an abuser already because he reminds them of their abusive ex or something. I for one am not going to let rumors from "family" control what I think on this case, I am not going to let my past control what I think. I am going to let the facts control what I think. Granted, there are not many PROVEN facts out there,but that does not mean believe what rumor you want and make it fact either. I know everyone means well, but tunnel vision due to our past and rumors is not finding Haleigh. I am trying to be the voice of reason and speak my thoughts in the kindest way here, but it is getting hard when I see good smart monkeys stop posting and leave the thread because they just can no longer take the one sided view because a non cleared family member says this and that and it grows to be fact. The school verified Haleigh had fallen down at school, who are we or Crystal or anyone whom was NOT there when it happened to say that her injuries were not from a fall?  I would think the school would know,and it was CRYSTAL who claimed the school said those injuries were not from that fall,why take her word,after all,she does have a dog in this race. Please, just think before you take someones word for something. Just because LE has not said they are looking at Crystal,does not mean they are not,they said EVERYONE is suspect and that includes Crystal and camp. So please, just be careful at what you believe and repeat. That is all I am asking. You may also want to look at what is being posted on Topix.. I am not the only one feeling this.. this just posted at topix, seems many have same idea in the works as u do
 I have been reading the biggest bunch of garbage spread everywhere where rumor has become fact.It's getting beyond outrageous.the biomother is doing a really good job of sending out her family members to major forums and spreading lies and gossip,which otherwise intelligent people are buying into it.But,this is all about custody,backpay and revenge,isn't it?IMO Using Geraldo didn't work,so try different tactics,right?JMO
 then this post
 Marie's distant cousin that doesn't live there,called Marie when this happened,apparently had to explain who she was,does phonecalls with her.People wonder if she is Wayanne Kruger,the PR person for Crystal or a reporter.She says her name is Joyanna,who knows.But doing a fine job of spreading it.JMO
 another
 And now it's spread the frayed cut off winter gloves she used when playing are bandages on her hands,just so outrageous.
 all from this thread
 http://www.topix.com/forum/city/orlando-fl/T52VIGA63OER7TOO7/p611



ITA, Searching.

But re. the material covering Haleighs hands?  I can't venture a guess why it is there (and haven't), but when I was a kid I had to wear something on my hands to keep from getting addtl.  blisters from monkey bars and the like.  The material still looks like gauze and plastic wrap to me though (at least in the pics I saw)  :smt102.  But I don't know that protection of her hands is indicative of a crime.

I've sensed alot of rancor about RC from jump street. And I know some are avoiding this thread for the very reasons you've articulated. 

 Hopefully your thoughtful words will remind folks that there have been no arrests and what I consider trash talking (aka gross speculation ?) is not fair or warranted at this juncture (if ever). 

Foggy



Foggy Dew, I'm wondering where Jr's gauze-monkey-bar coverings are?