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Title: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 - 3/31/09
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 26, 2009, 05:17:03 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 27, 2009, 10:27:06 PM
 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: AZSunny on March 27, 2009, 10:27:24 PM
Ho Ho Ho.....to repeat myself!  ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: nonesuche on March 27, 2009, 10:27:49 PM
No fair Tamikosmom, I thought I'd beat you just once  ::MonkeyWaa::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 27, 2009, 10:28:38 PM
Howdee Monkeys!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: AZSunny on March 27, 2009, 10:28:39 PM
Well, Janet,  we made the jump!  Now if I can get the mods to delete your post, I am first!  LOL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: texasmom on March 27, 2009, 10:29:53 PM
Ho Ho Ho.....to repeat myself!  ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 27, 2009, 10:29:54 PM
No fair Tamikosmom, I thought I'd beat you just once  ::MonkeyWaa::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: nonesuche on March 27, 2009, 10:30:08 PM
pssst AZ, try bribing San with latte  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 27, 2009, 10:30:08 PM
Well, Janet,  we made the jump!  Now if I can get the mods to delete your post, I am first!  LOL
  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: San on March 27, 2009, 10:30:23 PM
Well, Janet,  we made the jump!  Now if I can get the mods to delete your post, I am first!  LOL

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Magnolia on March 27, 2009, 10:30:54 PM
Robots said...Janet cheats! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: San on March 27, 2009, 10:31:39 PM
Robots said...Janet cheats! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Don't make Janet post that sucker  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 27, 2009, 10:31:51 PM
pssst AZ, try bribing San with latte  ::MonkeyWink::
latte....I'll remember that...Just in case I need to do some bribing in the future..... ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 27, 2009, 10:34:05 PM
Well, Janet,  we made the jump!  Now if I can get the mods to delete your post, I am first!  LOL

AZSunny ... I would ask Nut to delete my post and let you and none fight about first place position on this thread but ... I promised to never never bother Klaas or the mods again in regards to deleting or editing my posts.  I always keep my promise.

Maybe if you and Magnolia were not sharing stories while laughing and laughing and laughing ....

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: nonesuche on March 27, 2009, 10:35:38 PM
pssst AZ, try bribing San with latte  ::MonkeyWink::
latte....I'll remember that...Just in case I need to do some bribing in the future..... ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm trying to think of some other ones for you  ::MonkeyHaHa:: worked so many long hours this week my brain isn't very lively tonight.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 27, 2009, 10:37:22 PM
Robots said...Janet cheats! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Quote from: "robots"
Lively Case Discussion #647 6/25 - 6/26/2007
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2007, 08:32:08 PM »


JANET IS A CHEATER  

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1259.msg188423;topicseen#msg188423



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: AZSunny on March 27, 2009, 10:39:15 PM
pssst AZ, try bribing San with latte  ::MonkeyWink::


Hi San....would you like a latte? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 27, 2009, 10:39:22 PM
Howdee Monkeys!  ::MonkeyDance::

Hey ... hotping!

 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: San on March 27, 2009, 10:39:31 PM
Robots said...Janet cheats! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Quote from: "robots"
Lively Case Discussion #647 6/25 - 6/26/2007
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2007, 08:32:08 PM »


JANET IS A CHEATER  

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1259.msg188423;topicseen#msg188423



 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: AZSunny on March 27, 2009, 10:40:02 PM
Well, Janet,  we made the jump!  Now if I can get the mods to delete your post, I am first!  LOL

AZSunny ... I would ask Nut to delete my post and let you and none fight about first place position on this thread but ... I promised to never never bother Klaas or the mods again in regards to deleting or editing my posts.  I always keep my promise.

Maybe if you and Magnolia were not sharing stories while laughing and laughing and laughing ....

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

You can sit on the porch with us and have  a sweet tea...promise.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: San on March 27, 2009, 10:41:48 PM
pssst AZ, try bribing San with latte  ::MonkeyWink::


Hi San....would you like a latte? 

Yes please  ::MonkeyWink::

Caramel Macchiato

(http://www.starbucks.com/retail/images/caramel_mach.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 27, 2009, 10:42:37 PM
pssst AZ, try bribing San with latte  ::MonkeyWink::
latte....I'll remember that...Just in case I need to do some bribing in the future..... ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm trying to think of some other ones for you  ::MonkeyHaHa:: worked so many long hours this week my brain isn't very lively tonight.
Thanks...Let Me know if You think of any..... ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: klaasend on March 27, 2009, 10:43:44 PM
Anyone want to make bets on whether Glenda will BUI at RU tonight?  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 27, 2009, 10:43:48 PM
Howdee Monkeys!  ::MonkeyDance::

Hey ... hotping!

 ::cartwheel::
Hey back at Ya!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: texasmom on March 27, 2009, 10:44:10 PM
pssst AZ, try bribing San with latte  ::MonkeyWink::


Hi San....would you like a latte? 

Yes please  ::MonkeyWink::

Caramel Macchiato

(http://www.starbucks.com/retail/images/caramel_mach.jpg)

How about a double for a new Renho story? ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://www.starbucks.com/retail/images/caramel_mach.jpg)(http://www.starbucks.com/retail/images/caramel_mach.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: texasmom on March 27, 2009, 10:44:57 PM
Anyone want to make bets on whether Glenda will BUI at RU tonight?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm sure that's a given!   ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 27, 2009, 10:45:29 PM
Anyone want to make bets on whether Glenda will BUI at RU tonight?  ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: San on March 27, 2009, 10:45:42 PM
pssst AZ, try bribing San with latte  ::MonkeyWink::


Hi San....would you like a latte? 

Yes please  ::MonkeyWink::

Caramel Macchiato

(http://www.starbucks.com/retail/images/caramel_mach.jpg)

How about a double for a new Renho story? ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://www.starbucks.com/retail/images/caramel_mach.jpg)(http://www.starbucks.com/retail/images/caramel_mach.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://www.starbucks.com/retail/images/mochaFrap.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: AZSunny on March 27, 2009, 10:46:02 PM
Anyone want to make bets on whether Glenda will BUI at RU tonight?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I always though BUI meant.....

Every boater needs to understand the risks of boating under the influence of alcohol or drugs (BUI).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 27, 2009, 10:46:11 PM
pssst AZ, try bribing San with latte  ::MonkeyWink::


Hi San....would you like a latte? 

Yes please  ::MonkeyWink::

Caramel Macchiato

(http://www.starbucks.com/retail/images/caramel_mach.jpg)

How about a double for a new Renho story? ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://www.starbucks.com/retail/images/caramel_mach.jpg)(http://www.starbucks.com/retail/images/caramel_mach.jpg)

San ... betrayal of Tamikosmom is not worth any type of Latte.

Believe me.

 ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: nonesuche on March 27, 2009, 10:47:11 PM
Anyone want to make bets on whether Glenda will BUI at RU tonight?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I always though BUI meant.....

Every boater needs to understand the risks of boating under the influence of alcohol or drugs (BUI).

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: too cute AZ


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: AZSunny on March 27, 2009, 10:47:39 PM
pssst AZ, try bribing San with latte  ::MonkeyWink::


Hi San....would you like a latte? 

Yes please  ::MonkeyWink::

Caramel Macchiato

(http://www.starbucks.com/retail/images/caramel_mach.jpg)

How about a double for a new Renho story? ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://www.starbucks.com/retail/images/caramel_mach.jpg)(http://www.starbucks.com/retail/images/caramel_mach.jpg)

San ... betrayal of Tamikosmom is not worth any type of Latte.

Believe me.

 ::MonkeyCool::



uh, San,  I believe her!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: texasmom on March 27, 2009, 10:47:59 PM
Anyone want to make bets on whether Glenda will BUI at RU tonight?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm sure that's a given!   ::MonkeyLaugh::

Oh I forgot, she may have some laundry, or dogsitting to do!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 27, 2009, 10:48:08 PM
Anyone want to make bets on whether Glenda will BUI at RU tonight?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Is it bad!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: AZSunny on March 27, 2009, 10:48:22 PM
Anyone want to make bets on whether Glenda will BUI at RU tonight?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I always though BUI meant.....

Every boater needs to understand the risks of boating under the influence of alcohol or drugs (BUI).

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: too cute AZ

Maybe it is Blogging under the influence??? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 27, 2009, 10:48:47 PM
Anyone want to make bets on whether Glenda will BUI at RU tonight?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm sure that's a given!   ::MonkeyLaugh::

Oh I forgot, she may have some laundry, or dogsitting to do!   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: texasmom on March 27, 2009, 10:49:41 PM
(http://www.starbucks.com/retail/images/mochaFrap.jpg)(http://www.starbucks.com/retail/images/mochaFrap.jpg) ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: wreck on March 27, 2009, 10:50:18 PM
I forget....... is it "Renho Golba" or "Rhino Golba"????? ................ close relatives??????     ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: AZSunny on March 27, 2009, 10:52:00 PM
Dangers of BUI

Alcohol affects judgment, vision, balance and coordination


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 27, 2009, 10:52:42 PM
(http://www.starbucks.com/retail/images/mochaFrap.jpg)(http://www.starbucks.com/retail/images/mochaFrap.jpg) ::MonkeyWink::

texasmom

I though you loved me.  I think I may have misunderstood that big hug you gave me earlier today.  You were attempting to suffocate me?

  ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: wreck on March 27, 2009, 10:53:08 PM
Dangers of BUI

Alcohol affects judgment, vision, balance and coordination

She will probably amble into the pond!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 27, 2009, 10:56:49 PM
Dangers of BUI

Alcohol affects judgment, vision, balance and coordination

She will probably amble into the pond!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

New witness provides new hope in Natalee Holloway’s disappearance
By Jen Hale
Reporter and weekend anchor
Published: March 23, 2009


Renfro says detectives think the man the witness saw had nothing to do with Natalee’s case.

“There’s a bar very near there it’s open until 4 or 5 so it’s possible someone just kind of rolled into the pond,“ says Renfro.  

http://www.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/article/new_witness_provides_new_hope_in_natalee_holloways_disappearance/64874/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 27, 2009, 10:57:20 PM
Dangers of BUI

Alcohol affects judgment, vision, balance and coordination

She will probably amble into the pond!
I hope so.....That would be Hilarious.....if someone was to get it on film!   ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 27, 2009, 10:58:20 PM
(http://www.starbucks.com/retail/images/mochaFrap.jpg)(http://www.starbucks.com/retail/images/mochaFrap.jpg) ::MonkeyWink::

texasmom

I though you loved me.  I think I may have misunderstood that big hug you gave me earlier today.  You were attempting to suffocate me?

  ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet
  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: texasmom on March 27, 2009, 10:59:29 PM
(http://www.starbucks.com/retail/images/mochaFrap.jpg)(http://www.starbucks.com/retail/images/mochaFrap.jpg) ::MonkeyWink::

texasmom

I though you loved me.  I think I may have misunderstood that big hug you gave me earlier today.  You were attempting to suffocate me?

  ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet

You did not misunderstand, my big hugs were because I was so glad you were back in the cage with us!

My double-latte bribery attempt's are in an effort to get San to tell a story about Renho that I think she may be keeping from me!  The bribery attempts have nothing to do with your first post in this cage....those attempts were made by others.  Didn't you see me stand to the side and let you run by me so you could be first?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 27, 2009, 11:04:00 PM
(http://www.starbucks.com/retail/images/mochaFrap.jpg)(http://www.starbucks.com/retail/images/mochaFrap.jpg) ::MonkeyWink::

texasmom

I though you loved me.  I think I may have misunderstood that big hug you gave me earlier today.  You were attempting to suffocate me?

  ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet

You did not misunderstand, my big hugs were because I was so glad you were back in the cage with us!

My double-latte bribery attempt's are in an effort to get San to tell a story about Renho that I think she may be keeping from me!  The bribery attempts have nothing to do with your first post in this cage....those attempts were made by others.  Didn't you see me stand to the side and let you run by me so you could be first?



AZSunny and none are soooo mean.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

I should never have doubted you texasmom.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: nonesuche on March 27, 2009, 11:05:39 PM
Tamikosmom  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: may the bird of paradise land in your green tea  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 27, 2009, 11:06:15 PM
(http://www.starbucks.com/retail/images/mochaFrap.jpg)(http://www.starbucks.com/retail/images/mochaFrap.jpg) ::MonkeyWink::

texasmom

I though you loved me.  I think I may have misunderstood that big hug you gave me earlier today.  You were attempting to suffocate me?

  ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet

You did not misunderstand, my big hugs were because I was so glad you were back in the cage with us!

My double-latte bribery attempt's are in an effort to get San to tell a story about Renho that I think she may be keeping from me!  The bribery attempts have nothing to do with your first post in this cage....those attempts were made by others.  Didn't you see me stand to the side and let you run by me so you could be first?



AZSunny and none are soooo mean.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

I should never have doubted you texasmom.

Janet

BTW.  I never left the cage.  I was only in another room/thread.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 27, 2009, 11:07:11 PM
Tamikosmom  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: may the bird of paradise land in your green tea  ::MonkeyWink::

... and may all you cookies crumble.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 27, 2009, 11:10:05 PM
GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Scrabble night over at the neighbours.  We are all such party animals.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
8:10 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: klaasend on March 27, 2009, 11:11:24 PM
Dangers of BUI

Alcohol affects judgment, vision, balance and coordination

She will probably amble into the pond!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: AZSunny on March 27, 2009, 11:11:38 PM
Tamikosmom  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: may the bird of paradise land in your green tea  ::MonkeyWink::

... and may all you cookies crumble.

Janet
LOL...too funny!   I thought it was cupcakes?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Magnolia on March 27, 2009, 11:12:55 PM
NBC 13 had a report on the Natalee Holloway case tonight.
They had an interview with Renho...yuk....who said that Aruba doesn't expect anything to
be found by searching the pond, but they would like to give her father some peace of mind.

The last sentence of the report said that Texas Equusearch plans to return to Aruba to search
very soon.

Jen Hale was not reporting....It was a girl named Yevanna...not sure of the spelling.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 27, 2009, 11:13:03 PM
GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Scrabble night over at the neighbours.  We are all such party animals.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
8:10 PM PT
Good Night Janet! Have Fun... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: klaasend on March 27, 2009, 11:18:24 PM
Transcript of tonights JVM:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/27/ijvm.01.html

ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Cases That Changed America

Aired March 27, 2009 - 19:00:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, a special ISSUES presentation: cases that changed America. For the next hour, I`ll examine high-profile abductions that forever altered America`s legal system, starting with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. This case have all the elements of a must-watch news story: from beautiful characters to beautiful Aruban beaches.

Natalee`s mother deftly used the media to keep her daughter`s disappearance in the national spotlight. Meantime, TV cameras caught prime suspect Joran Van Der Sloot continuously lying and admitting he held an unconscious Natalee in his arms. Did he escape justice?

Then, the amazing story of Elizabeth Smart. Nine months after being snatched from her bedroom at the age of 14, Elizabeth was rescued and reunited with her family. This incredible case shows what happens when family, law enforcement, and the media work together. And it gives hope to all parents with missing children.

Plus, I`ll examine the ground-breaking case of Adam Walsh. The little boy was abducted and tragically killed in 1981, but Adam`s courageous father turned his personal nightmare into a national inspiration. Walsh started "America`s Most Wanted" and helped pass numerous laws that continue to save kids till this day.

This ISSUES special presentation starts now.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight an ISSUES special presentation: "Cases That Changed America." Three missing persons cases all with very different outcomes that have transformed America forever.

We begin with a story that had all of the makings of a picture-perfect vacation. A beautiful 18-year-old girl in a tropical paradise, Aruba, for one last hurrah with her classmates before graduating from high school and starting her adult life.

It all turned into a nightmare when Natalee Holloway never showed up for the plane ride home in May of 2005. Natalee was last seen leaving an Aruban bar the night before with three young men: Joran Van Der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers. These men would weave a web of lies about that night that no one to this day has been able to untangle.

Van Der Sloot, the prime suspect, emerged as a pathological liar. He changed his story again and again. At first, he claimed he simply dropped Natalee off at her hotel. Then he left her at the beach. Then he held her lifeless body and got a friend to throw her in the ocean. Then he even claimed he sold her into the sex trade. Then he recanted that.

All the while, Natalee`s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty and her father, Dave Holloway, have never given up hope of finding out exactly what happened. Every element of this story kept us glued to our TVs. Tonight, we dive in, examining how this perfect storm transformed coverage of missing person cases forever.

Joining me to dissect this case is my fantastic expert panel: Dr. Dale Archer, clinical psychiatrist; Vinnie Politan, former prosecutor and host for Sirius XM Radio. Joining us by phone from Aruba Julia Renfro, editor in chief for "Aruba Today." And my dear friend, Diane Dimond, journalist and author of "Be Careful Who You Love."

Diane, this case has obsessed America for years now. What were the elements in this story that made it so totally compelling that we couldn`t ever turn away? It really mesmerized us. Why?

DIANE DIMOND, JOURNALIST/AUTHOR: Yes, and it did in fact change America. It changed America for parents of girls like me who, in their senior year, they want to take that special senior trip with the rest of the class. They`ve worked hard for it. And of course, you want to -- you want to thank everything`s going to be OK in a place as beautiful -- the paradise of Aruba.

But it grabbed our attention, Jane, because it was a beautiful young girl. It was sex. It was lies. It was videotape of Joran Van Der Sloot. We just couldn`t look away.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. Even the suspect, Joran Van Der Sloot, was described as attractive. Everything about this case was attractive. And eye candy, but of course it was a real-life nightmare for the parents involved, and they were going through hell.

The day her daughter was reported missing, Beth Holloway Twitty flew to Aruba, vowing not to leave until she was found. She stepped in front the cameras at every opportunity to keep the story alive. Beth even did her own investigations when she felt Aruban authorities were failing her. Let`s listen to Beth talking about her first meeting with the three suspects.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Really didn`t speak with all three of the suspects. Only one of the suspects approached the vehicle that I was seated in and what was given to me from him was a very condescending, arrogant, and very cold and almost somewhat powerful attitude.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now despite road blocks early on, she never wavered, even lending her newfound celebrity to advocate for other missing persons` cases.

Vinnie, how did Beth, herself, how change relatives of victims can use the media to become champions and even activists determined to solve crimes?

VINNIE POLITAN, FORMER PROSECUTOR/RADIO HOST: Yes, you used the right word there: use the media. You know, we in the media, we`re out here to get the story, to talk to people, to find things out. And there`s this -- I guess relationship between victims and the media that sometimes, at least in the past, victims would stay away from the media, like they were the enemy.

She understood how to use the media to keep the story alive, because if that story`s alive, the search continues. The pressure stays on. And that`s exactly what happened here. And as a result of her keeping the pressure on, Joran Van Der Sloot, the prime suspect in all of this, has been pushed into the spotlight, remains in the spotlight, and he himself now has made certain alleged admissions as a result of what she`s done.

So she was able to not be a victim of the media, but able to sort of control and use the media to her advantage, which was to keep the story alive, to keep the search alive.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. But Julia Renfro, you`re in Aruba. You`re a journalist. We also want to get Aruba perspective. You can`t be in the spotlight this much and not face some controversy and criticism.

JULIA RENFRO, "ARUBA TODAY": Yes, that`s absolutely true. And like you said, this is the perfect storm: the perfect girl and the perfect island. Aruba is renowned for having the friendliest person in the world, as well as being one of the safest islands in the Caribbean. So that`s one reasons that the media took of on this so quickly because how could this happen in Aruba?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Beth did suffer some criticism by the Arubans, did she not, Julia?

RENFRO: Yes. But that started when -- actually, in July after the two Kalpoe brothers were released. She went on television, and she asked - - or she told the world that Aruba allowed criminals to walk amongst the tourists. And this was very upsetting for us, because that`s not what happened.

We understand with her. We empathize with her. But in the same time, the justice system, we believe in the justice system as you do, as in the American system, and there wasn`t enough evidence to hold these boys.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, Dr. Archer, we can never judge a mother who has lost a child. I mean, we have not, thankfully, walked in her footsteps.

DR. DALE ARCHER, CLINICAL PSYCHIATRIST: Right. Yes, you can`t judge. But what I will say is that when I counsel my patients in cases like this is you have to take the pain, the hurt, the suffering and the anger. And you have to focus that on something positive.

And in her case, she focused everything that she had on trying to get to the bottom of what happened to her daughter. So I don`t think we can criticize her in any way, shape or form. She might have stepped over the line occasionally, but she was doing it for the right reasons. She wanted answers, and she wanted to get the truth.

POLITAN: And the reason -- and the reason, Jane, she had to step over the line is because of the way the investigation went. Well, we don`t...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Exactly.

POLITAN: ... criticize the system of justice in Aruba. The investigation, that`s way up in criticism from day one. I mean, Joran Van Der Sloot is the man who was last seen with her. We`ve got her on videotape with her the night before. He says, "Oh, no, I dropped her off, and these two guys got him." And all of a sudden, the investigation shifts off of him and goes onto these other two guys who had absolutely nothing to do with it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely.

POLITAN: That`s where the ball was dropped here. And that`s why she was probably so upset. In fact, the system of the justice in Aruba, but the investigators, the way they bungled this case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You know, what`s fascinating is how videotape actually boxed Joran into a corner, not to the point that he was officially charged, but at least to the point that a lot of people felt, well, they`d finally gotten the answer. A blood-curdling twist in the case came last year when Joran Van Der Sloot was caught on tape admitting he was with Natalee when she died and that he knew what happened to her body.

Let`s listen to exactly what Joran said happen that night, caught on undercover tape, shown on "20/20" February 4, 2008.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s just lying still?

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, FORMER SUSPECT IN NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE (through translator): Still. Still. She`s not doing anything.

He says, "What happened?"

I said, "I don`t know either, man."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you try to resuscitate her?

VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): Of course. I tried everything, man. I tried to shake her. I was shaking the bitch. I was like, "What`s wrong with you, man?" I almost wanted to cry. And (EXPLETIVE DELETED) what happened to me? I said to him, "This is impossible."

He took the body. He went far out, and he threw her over the side. And then he came back, and he docked us both there. And he came by my house for a bit.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At night?

VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): Yes. Then we talked for a bit and he says to me, "you know it`s all good. She`s going to be missing. They`re going to search. But they`re not going to know a thing."

(END VIDEO CLIP))

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow! Truly chilling to hear. Of course, Joran later said he was just telling this guy what he wanted to hear. This hidden admission came three years after Natalee went missing.

DIMOND: You know, Jane...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes.

DIMOND: You know, Jane, a wrote a book called "Be Careful Who You Love." It was about the Michael Jackson case, but it so relates to so many cases. We send our beautiful young girls out there to enjoy the world and find their place in it and look at the kind of people that they can attract.

I have to disagree with your reporter in Aruba. Aruba did let killers walk among the tourists. If it wasn`t Joran Van Der Sloot, in her mind because the justice system hasn`t proved it yet. There was somebody who killed that young girl. She did not just disappear into thin air.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Julia, I want to give you an opportunity to answer that.

RENFRO: OK. Well, and I understand what you`re saying. But actually, the Kalpoe brothers have been released of any suspicion and have been, based on -- according to the statements and videos that Joran has said, these two brothers have nothing to do with it. They`re innocent. And...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m not talking about brothers. I`m talking about Joran Van Der Sloot.

RENFRO: ... released, that`s who was released and that`s who she went on television. And she asked the world to stop coming to Aruba.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, here`s the thing, we`re going to get to -- we`re going to get to the boycott issue in just a moment. I think it`s fascinating.

RENFRO: OK.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Obviously, there were problems with the way this investigation was handled. I think the people of Aruba didn`t want to be tarnished with a broad brush. Pointing out, for example, the JonBenet Ramsey case was never solved, and yet, nobody was calling for a boycott in Denver.

We will get to these issues again momentarily. Stay right there. More on the Hollywood mystery in just moments. I will examine an abduction with an incredible ending, a great ending: 14-year-old Elizabeth Smart snatched from her bedroom. Nine months later she was miraculously returned safely to her parents.

But first, Natalee Holloway`s mom has worked hard to keep her daughter`s disappearance in the media spotlight. Here she is venting her frustration in 2005 when suspects in the case were freed.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TWITTY: So the suspects who took my daughter from Carlos and Charlie`s on the last night of her senior trip, who were the last to be seen with her alive, and who all heard at least a dozen different versions of what they did with her, and who admitted to committing or witnessing sexual assaults against her while she was unable to defend herself, are now free.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TWITTY: When I hear Joran talking about her like that, my gosh, he just -- first you want to come through the TV and I want to kill him, and I mean peel his skin off of his face. And I think of the utter disregard he had for Natalee. And look at what he`s done -- from his friends. Look at what he`s done to a country. Look at what he`s done to everyone.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That was Natalee Holloway`s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, on "NANCY GRACE," describing how she feels about Joran Van Der Sloot.

I am back with my fantastic panel, discussing how Natalee Holloway`s disappearance changed America forever.

Julia, you are on the phone with us from Aruba. How has the Holloway case changed the island of Aruba and the attitudes of Arubans?

RENFRO: Well, this was very, very painful for every Aruban, for the - - for the main part is the whole island was being accused of harming this young, beautiful girl. And that`s just not what happened. And, so, yes, there`s people that are still upset with the situation.

But in the same time, everybody wants it resolved. And everybody here wants to help solve this case, but we just don`t know what to do.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, and we want to talk a little bit about why there was no charge against Joran Van Der Sloot, even after that tape we heard just a few minutes ago, where he seems to admit that he held a lifeless Natalee in his arms.

But I think a key part of Natalee Holloway`s disappearance was that it was a prime example of the world as a global village. Authorities from Aruba, the Netherlands and the United States had to work in tandem.

Natalee`s parents and American viewers had to navigate, confusing American laws. That is, confusing to Americans. They were confused when suspects were held for months but never charged. Cultural differences reared their heads, and an American boycott of Aruba was also endorse for a time.

Let`s listen to what the Alabama governor, Riley, had to say about that.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GOV. BOB RILEY (R), ALABAMA: Natalee`s family believes, and I agree that we`ve reached the point where there are no other viable options to get Aruban officials to take this matter as seriously as they should. So today, Beth and Jug are here to endorse a travel boycott to Aruba, and as governor, I am joining them in this effort.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Her parents even attempted to file civil suits against the suspects in New York and Los Angeles.

Dale Archer, as a psychiatrist, weigh in on this. Many Americans didn`t realize Arubans were also watching American TV. So this case has had a huge -- a lot of turmoil. It`s created tensions between America, the Netherlands, and Aruba. And how much of this is about cultural differences? About how Americans do things versus how, maybe, things are done on an island where the primary source of income is tourism?

ARCHER: Yes, I think there`s no doubt things are done differently, but I think that`s what`s concerning here is -- for most Americans is the fact that you know where there`s smoke there`s fire, and there was so much that Joran said throughout the course of the last two or three years that it`s hard for an American to believe that at least there couldn`t be a trial here. You know...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Right, exactly.

ARCHER: ... there may not be enough evidence to convict him, but why not a trial? I think that`s what we all have a hard time understanding.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Vinnie, especially after we see that video of him, apparently, saying -- it`s a confession, according to what we see. Of course, his attorney says it`s not a confession, and he was just telling this guy what he wanted to hear because he was smoking pot.

DIMOND (ph): Oh what else was he going to say?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Exactly.

POLITAN: So here is the thing, I was a prosecutor. Is this going to be enough evidence? All right, you`ve got the last person seen with Natalee Holloway admits it all, lies immediately to police, lies again. And then when he doesn`t know he`s being recorded, admits the whole thing. That`s enough, from my perspective, to take that thing into court and try it.

Yes, it`s a circumstantial case, but there are some big circumstances there. Maybe more circumstances than to convict a guy like Scott Peterson.

DIMOND: Jane, that`s exactly right, and Dr. Dale is exactly right, too. So many people they I have talked to while covering this case and especially being down in Alabama with Jug and introducing him and others, it was -- isn`t there enough to take this to trial?

Joran Van Der Sloot, in part of that video that you see where he`s talking to the friend in the car, says, "I`m so incredibly lucky that they never found her body."

POLITAN: Right.

DIMOND: What more do you need?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s bring in this other aspect. Joran Van Der Sloot started to weave a web of lies the night that Natalee Holloway went missing. First he told cops he and the Kalpoes left the Holiday Inn and then that changed.

Let`s listen to what he told a "Current Affair" producer on September 26, 2005.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

VAN DER SLOOT: I told her I had to go home. I had school the next day. And I thought maybe she`d understand. She told me no she wanted me to stay there with her because the next day she was leaving. And she wanted to stay there the whole night. I told her, no, I had to go. I even -- I even lifted her back up to carry her to her hotel. And she told me to put her down. I left her there. I sat down next to her and talked to her for a while. And I called Deepak to ask him if he could come pick me up, which Deepak didn`t do. But...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was she angry?

VAN DER SLOOT: She wasn`t angry. If anything, she was probably more upset that I -- that I -- that I was leaving her there. And I don`t know what reaction she had. I don`t know.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But Dale Archer, the reason why the Aruban court said they couldn`t prosecute him is that he made up so many lies even within that story that many things that he said couldn`t be verified or verified as untrue. Therefore, his so-called confession didn`t count either.

ARCHER: Well, you know, pathological liar is absolutely the toughest individual to deal with as a psychiatrist. Because you can`t take anything they say at face value. And you can`t, you know, fill in their personality. You don`t know what`s real and what`s not.

I would have to think it would be the same as a prosecutor trying to prosecute the case. But on the other hand, I mean, you`ve got to at least try it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. All right, more on the Holloway case in just moments. I will analyze.

Also the amazing story of Elizabeth Smart, missing for nine long months. Elizabeth safely returned. The family and the media worked together. I will show you how.

Plus, the Adam Walsh case. Unbelievable.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`re back talking about the case of Natalee Holloway, a mysterious international disappearance that changed America and the world.

Joining me now is a very special guest, John Q. Kelly, the attorney for Natalee`s parents, Dave Holloway and Beth Holloway Twitty.

John, thanks for joining us.

JOHN Q. KELLY, ATTORNEY FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S PARENTS: Sure, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Natalee`s parents have suffered the greatest loss any human being can face: losing a child, having no closure, no answers. Do they find solace in the fact that this case has changed the world?

KELLY: I don`t think, so really. I mean, you just can`t ease that pain at all, and the most difficult part is knowing that someone knows exactly what happened to their daughter and they can`t get the answer. And you know, they`ve done a terrific job of, you know, using the media, never seeing their search in what happened in Natalee.

But, you know, the pain is still there. And it`s always there. And as a parent, you feel that you can never do enough to get the answers you need or the closure, and they can`t get it yet.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What about the role of videotape in this case and how videotape is being increasingly used in cases like this? We all saw the apparent confession of Joran.

Of course, he and his attorneys say that is not a confession. He was just lying to please his friend. Nevertheless, the Aruban courts did not use that to prosecute him. Is that something that really irks the Holloway family?

KELLY: Well, of course it does. And the problem is Aruba`s taken the position that, you know, Joran Van Der Sloot has told so many lies that you can`t rely on one of them to serve as a confession.

But the flip side of that, more importantly, is he was clearly the last person with her. He`s fabricated at least a half dozen stories of what happened to her. She`s never been seen again since being in his presence. So the fact that the circumstantial evidence indicates that he was the last one with her, he, you know, deliberately fabricated stories about what happened to her. She`s never been found should be enough, alone, to prosecute him.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I was struck by something you said a long time ago, that adults sometimes plan for years to pull off the perfect crime, smart adults, and they`re quickly caught. And yet, it seems here with absolutely no preparation, a perfect crime was sort of pulled off.

KELLY: Well, I don`t think it was done by he alone. I think he had help. I think he had adults that helped him along, that enabled him to get away with this, which is unfortunate. And you know, it`s interesting. I think one or more of your panelists before talked about maybe back crossing the line, but I think when you are a parent and you need answers to your child`s whereabouts, and you know that someone has them and you can`t get them, it`s -- it`s hard to even go on then.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: How has Beth Holloway Twitty worked to change how people, especially Americans, American kids behave when they go abroad? The preparations they make, the coordination between parent and child. This has become her life work, I understand?

KELLY: Well, sure. Her save travel program, and she did does a lot of lecturing on it and writing and speaking and appearances.

And the bottom line is that there a lot of wonderful places your children can go within this country. You don`t want to be caught in a foreign jurisdiction where you can`t seek help, that no one will listen to your pleas, and they really don`t care about whether they`re solve your problems when they want to tend to their own instead. So she really drew the spotlight on the dangers facing children going away to foreign countries.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: John, thank you so very much for joining us.

KELLY: Sure.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: nonesuche on March 27, 2009, 11:19:00 PM
Tamikosmom  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: may the bird of paradise land in your green tea  ::MonkeyWink::

... and may all you cookies crumble.

Janet

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: where is that lovely laughing child?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: AZSunny on March 27, 2009, 11:19:07 PM
NBC 13 had a report on the Natalee Holloway case tonight.
They had an interview with Renho...yuk....who said that Aruba doesn't expect anything to
be found by searching the pond, but they would like to give her father some peace of mind.

The last sentence of the report said that Texas Equusearch plans to return to Aruba to search
very soon.

Jen Hale was not reporting....It was a girl named Yevanna...not sure of the spelling.

I wonder who is writing their copy, and if anyone has talked to the producer/director? they aren't getting it.  Isn't Jen off till tomorrow?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: nonesuche on March 27, 2009, 11:20:33 PM
Tamikosmom  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: may the bird of paradise land in your green tea  ::MonkeyWink::

... and may all you cookies crumble.

Janet
LOL...too funny!   I thought it was cupcakes?

both  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Magnolia on March 27, 2009, 11:31:14 PM
NBC 13 had a report on the Natalee Holloway case tonight.
They had an interview with Renho...yuk....who said that Aruba doesn't expect anything to
be found by searching the pond, but they would like to give her father some peace of mind.

The last sentence of the report said that Texas Equusearch plans to return to Aruba to search
very soon.

Jen Hale was not reporting....It was a girl named Yevanna...not sure of the spelling.

I wonder who is writing their copy, and if anyone has talked to the producer/director? they aren't getting it.  Isn't Jen off till tomorrow?

I have talked to the producer...Donette.  Donette handed me off to the news director and I left him
a voice mail.  He never called back.  Anna called him then.
Mytime talked to Donette several times last night.
Jen will be back tomorrow.   She is the weekend news anchor.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: texasmom on March 27, 2009, 11:35:55 PM
GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Scrabble night over at the neighbours.  We are all such party animals.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
8:10 PM PT

Good Night Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: nonesuche on March 27, 2009, 11:45:34 PM
Thanks for the transcript Klaas, I missed the piece tonight.

Diamond really tried to hammer Joran's guilt consistently throughout, this section where they reference Scott Peterson's conviction on circumstantial evidence is such a good comparison. Despite having bodies wash up onshore it could never be determined what the cause of death was......

POLITAN: So here is the thing, I was a prosecutor. Is this going to be enough evidence? All right, you`ve got the last person seen with Natalee Holloway admits it all, lies immediately to police, lies again. And then when he doesn`t know he`s being recorded, admits the whole thing. That`s enough, from my perspective, to take that thing into court and try it.

Yes, it`s a circumstantial case, but there are some big circumstances there. Maybe more circumstances than to convict a guy like Scott Peterson.

DIMOND: Jane, that`s exactly right, and Dr. Dale is exactly right, too. So many people they I have talked to while covering this case and especially being down in Alabama with Jug and introducing him and others, it was -- isn`t there enough to take this to trial?

Joran Van Der Sloot, in part of that video that you see where he`s talking to the friend in the car, says, "I`m so incredibly lucky that they never found her body."

POLITAN: Right.

DIMOND: What more do you need?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 27, 2009, 11:53:15 PM
Thank You Klaas for the Transcript......Also I was wondering was anything else posted today on the Kalpoe/McGraw law suit? TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: texasmom on March 27, 2009, 11:54:37 PM
Tamikosmom  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: may the bird of paradise land in your green tea  ::MonkeyWink::

... and may all you cookies crumble.

Janet

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: where is that lovely laughing child?

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Anna on March 27, 2009, 11:56:32 PM
There has been a pattern of practice since Natalee Holloway disappeared on the part of those representing Aruba to trash the victim and her mother.  They seem to do this to just about every American then encounter.

Remember even Goldba was accused of taking gossip to the Mansurs and his dog destroying a complete hotel room.  Not even dogs are spared.  But they consistently try to find and repeat any trash they can find on what are supposed to be their guests.

So tourist, BEWARE unless you what your character assassinated and things twisted to make you appear in the worst possible light.

They were particularly brutal to TES.  Remember, if we had taken Aruba's word for it, Tim Miller is little more than a drunk who goes around destroying turtle eggs and the complete environment while setting fire to the dump! 

Tim Miller is first of all an humble soul who has been broken by the loss of his child and subsequent mental torture that resulted from that yet he has risen about it all and dedicated his life to helping other families with missing.  He is an American hero and icon.  If me or any of my loved ones are ever missing, he is the one I want searching for me.

Julia on the other hand has a tourist rag that had so many ads for escort services including young boys and massage parlors I would not have wanted my children to have even seen that smut when young.  And that's just the tip of the iceberg where she is concerned.

My rambling point is they bash and trash any non-Aruban and who wants to vacation in such a place that does that?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 27, 2009, 11:56:40 PM
Tamikosmom  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: may the bird of paradise land in your green tea  ::MonkeyWink::

... and may all you cookies crumble.

Janet

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: where is that lovely laughing child?

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)
  ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::
I Just Love Her!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Anna on March 27, 2009, 11:58:52 PM
Tamikosmom  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: may the bird of paradise land in your green tea  ::MonkeyWink::

... and may all you cookies crumble.

Janet

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: where is that lovely laughing child?

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)
  ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::
I Just Love Her!  ::MonkeyCool::


She has become sort of our mascot! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: nonesuche on March 28, 2009, 12:00:05 AM
Tamikosmom  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: may the bird of paradise land in your green tea  ::MonkeyWink::

... and may all you cookies crumble.

Janet

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: where is that lovely laughing child?

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

thanks Texasmom  ::MonkeyHaHa:: she is so precious, thank you for finding her so I can save her to my hard drive.

After 48 hours straight with no sleep due to work, going to hit the hay. Rest well all, God bless Natalee


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2009, 12:02:05 AM
Thank You Klaas for the Transcript......Also I was wondering was anything else posted today on the Kalpoe/McGraw law suit? TIA

I'm going to check tomorrow again but last I checked no new docs filed yet or available to get.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 28, 2009, 12:02:37 AM
There has been a pattern of practice since Natalee Holloway disappeared on the part of those representing Aruba to trash the victim and her mother.  They seem to do this to just about every American then encounter.

Remember even Goldba was accused of taking gossip to the Mansurs and his dog destroying a complete hotel room.  Not even dogs are spared.  But they consistently try to find and repeat any trash they can find on what are supposed to be their guests.

So tourist, BEWARE unless you what your character assassinated and things twisted to make you appear in the worst possible light.

They were particularly brutal to TES.  Remember, if we had taken Aruba's word for it, Tim Miller is little more than a drunk who goes around destroying turtle eggs and the complete environment while setting fire to the dump! 

Tim Miller is first of all an humble soul who has been broken by the loss of his child and subsequent mental torture that resulted from that yet he has risen about it all and dedicated his life to helping other families with missing.  He is an American hero and icon.  If me or any of my loved ones are ever missing, he is the one I want searching for me.

Julia on the other hand has a tourist rag that had so many ads for escort services including young boys and massage parlors I would not have wanted my children to have even seen that smut when young.  And that's just the tip of the iceberg where she is concerned.

My rambling point is they bash and trash any non-Aruban and who wants to vacation in such a place that does that?
Sometimes I wonder if Joran was working for Her.....She is such a B*tch....God Only knows what Her Children will turn out to be.... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2009, 12:04:10 AM
Tamikosmom  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: may the bird of paradise land in your green tea  ::MonkeyWink::

... and may all you cookies crumble.

Janet

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: where is that lovely laughing child?

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

thanks Texasmom  ::MonkeyHaHa:: she is so precious, thank you for finding her so I can save her to my hard drive.

After 48 hours straight with no sleep due to work, going to hit the hay. Rest well all, God bless Natalee

You're welcome nonesuche!  I hope you get a good night's rest, and hopefully can relax some this weekend!

Good Night nonesuche!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 12:04:45 AM
Hotping,
Remember Patrick van der Eem said Dolphi Ricchardson said Joran was working as a male prostitute I believe he said at age 17.  Could that account for Renfro's abnormal interest in the affairs of teens?  Could it also be how Joran became untouchable?  I have always thought it a good possibility.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 28, 2009, 12:05:13 AM
Thank You Klaas for the Transcript......Also I was wondering was anything else posted today on the Kalpoe/McGraw law suit? TIA

I'm going to check tomorrow again but last I checked no new docs filed yet or available to get.
Thank You!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Magnolia on March 28, 2009, 12:05:40 AM
How can you help but love the Laughing Girl.  She is adorable.

Here is the print copy of NBC13's report tonight.
The reporter is Hovannah Johnson


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By Havonnah Johnson
Reporter
Published: March 27, 2009

The search for Natalee Holloway continues. Aruba journalist tells us prosecutor Hans Mos requested crews drain a retention pond,  near the hotel where Natalee Holloway stayed on the island.

A witness claimed suspect Joran Van Der Sloot was also seen near the pond the night Holloway disappeared in May of 2005. Private investigator Fred Golba and a team of volunteers worked to get the water pumped out of the pond. Now they searching its floor inch by inch. Although the team is trained and dedicated, locals are not sure this search will give the family closure they’ve been looking for.

“It is very likely he won’t find anything but the father knows that someone honestly believes that they saw someone walking through the pond at 4 a.m. and this man passed two lie detector tests,“ said Julia Renfro of the Aruba Daily.

No word on how much this search cost. Natalee’s father, Dave Holloway is paying for it. Meanwhile people at Texas Equisearch plan on launching another search very soon.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 12:08:38 AM
Nonesuche,

I hope you get some REAL rest now as that is too much work.  You have burned the candle at both ends since the loss of your Beloved and I hope the time is coming when you can unload some of the burden of being the sole support for yourself and your children but you have put forth superhuman effort in that regard.

I admire your courage and effort.  Working your job plus the cookie business was the maximum a mother could do and you have earned a break from it all.  I hope the economy won't prevent your getting it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 28, 2009, 12:10:40 AM
Hotping,
Remember Patrick van der Eem said Dolphi Ricchardson said Joran was working as a male prostitute I believe he said at age 17.  Could that account for Renfro's abnormal interest in the affairs of teens?  Could it also be how Joran became untouchable?  I have always thought it a good possibility.


Anna...I would not doubt it one bit.....And the way She always calls Them "Boys" like in "My Boys" meaning "Her Boys"......They were Young Men when Natalee disappeared not boys.......  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 12:11:57 AM
How can you help but love the Laughing Girl.  She is adorable.

Here is the print copy of NBC13's report tonight.
The reporter is Hovannah Johnson


Advertisement

 

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By Havonnah Johnson
Reporter
Published: March 27, 2009

The search for Natalee Holloway continues. Aruba journalist tells us prosecutor Hans Mos requested crews drain a retention pond,  near the hotel where Natalee Holloway stayed on the island.

A witness claimed suspect Joran Van Der Sloot was also seen near the pond the night Holloway disappeared in May of 2005. Private investigator Fred Golba and a team of volunteers worked to get the water pumped out of the pond. Now they searching its floor inch by inch. Although the team is trained and dedicated, locals are not sure this search will give the family closure they’ve been looking for.

“It is very likely he won’t find anything but the father knows that someone honestly believes that they saw someone walking through the pond at 4 a.m. and this man passed two lie detector tests,“ said Julia Renfro of the Aruba Daily.

No word on how much this search cost. Natalee’s father, Dave Holloway is paying for it. Meanwhile people at Texas Equisearch plan on launching another search very soon.



I just so doubt the part bolded by you.  As I know you do as well.  I will need to hear this from someone who would be a participant in any new search that TES will once again be onboard and involved.

Meanwhile, I hope Tim Miller is made aware of who got the proceeds of the last search.  Does Natalee's family really want a repeat of handing everything over uncontested to ALE?

Is that what is happening now with the Search and Rescue at the pond search?  Probably.

Of course, with no Freedom of the Press in Aruba, we are kept in the dark while the likes of Renfro have total access to every bit of information denied Natalee's family from the start.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2009, 12:14:11 AM
Quote
JULIA RENFRO, "ARUBA TODAY": Yes, that`s absolutely true. And like you said, this is the perfect storm: the perfect girl and the perfect island. Aruba is renowned for having the friendliest person in the world, as well as being one of the safest islands in the Caribbean. So that`s one reasons that the media took of on this so quickly because how could this happen in Aruba?

Julia is sooooo full of chit!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I guess if you consider waking up in your hotel room to thieves going through your things and taking anything of value, friendly.....or if you consider having your rental car stolen, and completely stripped down, including the wheels, so that you can pay for it before you leave "one happy island" friendly.....your handbag ripped from you by a passing vehicle, friendly?.....and I could go on and on!

READ THE NEWSPAPERS JULIA, BEFORE YOU OPEN THAT BIG HOLE AND SPEW YOUR LIES!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Magnolia on March 28, 2009, 12:17:36 AM
How can you help but love the Laughing Girl.  She is adorable.

Here is the print copy of NBC13's report tonight.
The reporter is Hovannah Johnson


Advertisement

 

 Text size: small | medium | large

By Havonnah Johnson
Reporter
Published: March 27, 2009

The search for Natalee Holloway continues. Aruba journalist tells us prosecutor Hans Mos requested crews drain a retention pond,  near the hotel where Natalee Holloway stayed on the island.

A witness claimed suspect Joran Van Der Sloot was also seen near the pond the night Holloway disappeared in May of 2005. Private investigator Fred Golba and a team of volunteers worked to get the water pumped out of the pond. Now they searching its floor inch by inch. Although the team is trained and dedicated, locals are not sure this search will give the family closure they’ve been looking for.

“It is very likely he won’t find anything but the father knows that someone honestly believes that they saw someone walking through the pond at 4 a.m. and this man passed two lie detector tests,“ said Julia Renfro of the Aruba Daily.

No word on how much this search cost. Natalee’s father, Dave Holloway is paying for it. Meanwhile people at Texas Equisearch plan on launching another search very soon.



I just so doubt the part bolded by you.  As I know you do as well.  I will need to hear this from someone who would be a participant in any new search that TES will once again be onboard and involved.

Meanwhile, I hope Tim Miller is made aware of who got the proceeds of the last search.  Does Natalee's family really want a repeat of handing everything over uncontested to ALE?

Is that what is happening now with the Search and Rescue at the pond search?  Probably.

Of course, with no Freedom of the Press in Aruba, we are kept in the dark while the likes of Renfro have total access to every bit of information denied Natalee's family from the start.

Well....they backed off a little bit.

Renho is certainly getting her air time out of this search.  I know she is loving it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 28, 2009, 12:18:49 AM
Quote
JULIA RENFRO, "ARUBA TODAY": Yes, that`s absolutely true. And like you said, this is the perfect storm: the perfect girl and the perfect island. Aruba is renowned for having the friendliest person in the world, as well as being one of the safest islands in the Caribbean. So that`s one reasons that the media took of on this so quickly because how could this happen in Aruba?

Julia is sooooo full of chit!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I guess if you consider waking up in your hotel room to thieves going through your things and taking anything of value, friendly.....or if you consider having your rental car stolen, and completely stripped down, including the wheels, so that you can pay for it before you leave "one happy island" friendly.....your handbag ripped from you by a passing vehicle, friendly?.....and I could go on and on!

READ THE NEWSPAPERS JULIA, BEFORE YOU OPEN THAT BIG HOLE AND SPEW YOUR LIES!!!!
Did You hear that Julia.....Did You Hear that Julia...Did You hear that Julia?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 28, 2009, 12:21:25 AM
How can you help but love the Laughing Girl.  She is adorable.

Here is the print copy of NBC13's report tonight.
The reporter is Hovannah Johnson


Advertisement

 

 Text size: small | medium | large

By Havonnah Johnson
Reporter
Published: March 27, 2009

The search for Natalee Holloway continues. Aruba journalist tells us prosecutor Hans Mos requested crews drain a retention pond,  near the hotel where Natalee Holloway stayed on the island.

A witness claimed suspect Joran Van Der Sloot was also seen near the pond the night Holloway disappeared in May of 2005. Private investigator Fred Golba and a team of volunteers worked to get the water pumped out of the pond. Now they searching its floor inch by inch. Although the team is trained and dedicated, locals are not sure this search will give the family closure they’ve been looking for.

“It is very likely he won’t find anything but the father knows that someone honestly believes that they saw someone walking through the pond at 4 a.m. and this man passed two lie detector tests,“ said Julia Renfro of the Aruba Daily.

No word on how much this search cost. Natalee’s father, Dave Holloway is paying for it. Meanwhile people at Texas Equisearch plan on launching another search very soon.



I just so doubt the part bolded by you.  As I know you do as well.  I will need to hear this from someone who would be a participant in any new search that TES will once again be onboard and involved.

Meanwhile, I hope Tim Miller is made aware of who got the proceeds of the last search.  Does Natalee's family really want a repeat of handing everything over uncontested to ALE?

Is that what is happening now with the Search and Rescue at the pond search?  Probably.

Of course, with no Freedom of the Press in Aruba, we are kept in the dark while the likes of Renfro have total access to every bit of information denied Natalee's family from the start.

Well....they backed off a little bit.

Renho is certainly getting her air time out of this search.  I know she is loving it.
IMO She's not doing to Well...in Her interviews.....She sounds pretty stupid to Me..... Aruba is Safe My AZZ!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: wreck on March 28, 2009, 12:26:55 AM
Quote
JULIA RENFRO, "ARUBA TODAY": Yes, that`s absolutely true. And like you said, this is the perfect storm: the perfect girl and the perfect island. Aruba is renowned for having the friendliest person in the world, as well as being one of the safest islands in the Caribbean. So that`s one reasons that the media took of on this so quickly because how could this happen in Aruba?

Julia is sooooo full of chit!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I guess if you consider waking up in your hotel room to thieves going through your things and taking anything of value, friendly.....or if you consider having your rental car stolen, and completely stripped down, including the wheels, so that you can pay for it before you leave "one happy island" friendly.....your handbag ripped from you by a passing vehicle, friendly?.....and I could go on and on!

READ THE NEWSPAPERS JULIA, BEFORE YOU OPEN THAT BIG HOLE AND SPEW YOUR LIES!!!!
Did You hear that Julia.....Did You Hear that Julia...Did You hear that Julia?
And who may that be?????? Any relation to the "most interesting man in the world"??? ...and only ONE???  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 12:30:36 AM
The IMF and World Bank recently ranked the Caribbean region as having the highest crime rate in THE WORLD!

So being the safest in a region that is globally the bottom of the pit is really not so much to be bragging about.  I posted link to that article as well.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2009, 12:31:00 AM
Quote
JULIA RENFRO, "ARUBA TODAY": Yes, that`s absolutely true. And like you said, this is the perfect storm: the perfect girl and the perfect island. Aruba is renowned for having the friendliest person in the world, as well as being one of the safest islands in the Caribbean. So that`s one reasons that the media took of on this so quickly because how could this happen in Aruba?

Julia is sooooo full of chit!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I guess if you consider waking up in your hotel room to thieves going through your things and taking anything of value, friendly.....or if you consider having your rental car stolen, and completely stripped down, including the wheels, so that you can pay for it before you leave "one happy island" friendly.....your handbag ripped from you by a passing vehicle, friendly?.....and I could go on and on!

READ THE NEWSPAPERS JULIA, BEFORE YOU OPEN THAT BIG HOLE AND SPEW YOUR LIES!!!!
Did You hear that Julia.....Did You Hear that Julia...Did You hear that Julia?
And who may that be?????? Any relation to the "most interesting man in the world"??? ...and only ONE???  ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I noticed that AFTER I made my post.  But then again, that friendliest person lives among many, many criminals.  Vacation there at your own risk, when you step off that plane you are a target!  JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: wreck on March 28, 2009, 12:34:17 AM
Quote
JULIA RENFRO, "ARUBA TODAY": Yes, that`s absolutely true. And like you said, this is the perfect storm: the perfect girl and the perfect island. Aruba is renowned for having the friendliest person in the world, as well as being one of the safest islands in the Caribbean. So that`s one reasons that the media took of on this so quickly because how could this happen in Aruba?

Julia is sooooo full of chit!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I guess if you consider waking up in your hotel room to thieves going through your things and taking anything of value, friendly.....or if you consider having your rental car stolen, and completely stripped down, including the wheels, so that you can pay for it before you leave "one happy island" friendly.....your handbag ripped from you by a passing vehicle, friendly?.....and I could go on and on!

READ THE NEWSPAPERS JULIA, BEFORE YOU OPEN THAT BIG HOLE AND SPEW YOUR LIES!!!!
Did You hear that Julia.....Did You Hear that Julia...Did You hear that Julia?
And who may that be?????? Any relation to the "most interesting man in the world"??? ...and only ONE???  ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I noticed that AFTER I made my post.  But then again, that friendliest person lives among many, many criminals.  Vacation there at your own risk, when you step off that plane you are a target!  JMO
I think the "friendliest person in the world" is probably "Boeti"!!  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 12:35:00 AM
Quote
JULIA RENFRO, "ARUBA TODAY": Yes, that`s absolutely true. And like you said, this is the perfect storm: the perfect girl and the perfect island. Aruba is renowned for having the friendliest person in the world, as well as being one of the safest islands in the Caribbean. So that`s one reasons that the media took of on this so quickly because how could this happen in Aruba?

Julia is sooooo full of chit!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I guess if you consider waking up in your hotel room to thieves going through your things and taking anything of value, friendly.....or if you consider having your rental car stolen, and completely stripped down, including the wheels, so that you can pay for it before you leave "one happy island" friendly.....your handbag ripped from you by a passing vehicle, friendly?.....and I could go on and on!

READ THE NEWSPAPERS JULIA, BEFORE YOU OPEN THAT BIG HOLE AND SPEW YOUR LIES!!!!
Did You hear that Julia.....Did You Hear that Julia...Did You hear that Julia?
And who may that be?????? Any relation to the "most interesting man in the world"??? ...and only ONE???  ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I noticed that AFTER I made my post.  But then again, that friendliest person lives among many, many criminals.  Vacation there at your own risk, when you step off that plane you are a target!  JMO


Well, I guess that's her broken English to go along with the phony accent she has developed of late.

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 12:36:27 AM
Quote
JULIA RENFRO, "ARUBA TODAY": Yes, that`s absolutely true. And like you said, this is the perfect storm: the perfect girl and the perfect island. Aruba is renowned for having the friendliest person in the world, as well as being one of the safest islands in the Caribbean. So that`s one reasons that the media took of on this so quickly because how could this happen in Aruba?

Julia is sooooo full of chit!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I guess if you consider waking up in your hotel room to thieves going through your things and taking anything of value, friendly.....or if you consider having your rental car stolen, and completely stripped down, including the wheels, so that you can pay for it before you leave "one happy island" friendly.....your handbag ripped from you by a passing vehicle, friendly?.....and I could go on and on!

READ THE NEWSPAPERS JULIA, BEFORE YOU OPEN THAT BIG HOLE AND SPEW YOUR LIES!!!!
Did You hear that Julia.....Did You Hear that Julia...Did You hear that Julia?
And who may that be?????? Any relation to the "most interesting man in the world"??? ...and only ONE???  ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I noticed that AFTER I made my post.  But then again, that friendliest person lives among many, many criminals.  Vacation there at your own risk, when you step off that plane you are a target!  JMO
I think the "friendliest person in the world" is probably "Boeti"!!  ::cartwheel::


Well, he certainly was friendly to be peeping into the rooms of the guests at the hotel like that.

You know, Wreck, it has even crossed my mind that HE is the new witness because I do think he would say just about anything, repeat like a parrot.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: IBE on March 28, 2009, 12:36:53 AM
Hello

We need some real Monkey Family help before April 1 with missing Donna Jou, please

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1337.580 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1337.580)


Thank you very much,

Love,

IBE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2009, 12:42:53 AM
http://www.awe24.com/_moblog/externalInterface/extFrame.php?id=350&mId=1

Papiamentu translation:

trabaonan of investigacion is continua at the dam of monserat

fecha: 27/03/2009 | horario: 20:46

as awe24.com already owing to trece in form of primicia cu will owing to cuminza chica the dam for so can haci they trabao investigativo relaciona cu the buskeda of natalee holloway, today the trabao owing to continua y mayan also already today diabierna can see some penchi cu they're using for identifica cierto areanan. come across

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03272009Awe24_2_1238201405.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03272009Awe24_3_1238201405.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03272009Awe24_4_1238201405.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03272009Awe24_5_1238201405.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 28, 2009, 12:44:26 AM
Hotping,
Remember Patrick van der Eem said Dolphi Ricchardson said Joran was working as a male prostitute I believe he said at age 17.  Could that account for Renfro's abnormal interest in the affairs of teens?  Could it also be how Joran became untouchable?  I have always thought it a good possibility.



Joran? A hooker? Like... ew. Who'd pay for such an ugly skank as Joran? He's a customer of that porno site that's like the Aruban version of "Girls Gone Wild" except it's guys driving a van around and seeing what girls will get into the van and have sex with them while they videotape it.

Did Paulus van der Sloot give legal help to the group of Dutch pedophiles who formed their own political party in order to legalize child rape (lowering the age of consent to 12)? Was Paulus involved with a pedophile or other sex scandal in the Netherlands? Is that why the van der Sloot family had to skedaddle to Aruba and why Paulus was never promoted to official judge? Or did he ever make the grade? Did his mafia buddies like Posner get him a judgeship at last?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2009, 12:46:28 AM
Quote
JULIA RENFRO, "ARUBA TODAY": Yes, that`s absolutely true. And like you said, this is the perfect storm: the perfect girl and the perfect island. Aruba is renowned for having the friendliest person in the world, as well as being one of the safest islands in the Caribbean. So that`s one reasons that the media took of on this so quickly because how could this happen in Aruba?

Julia is sooooo full of chit!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I guess if you consider waking up in your hotel room to thieves going through your things and taking anything of value, friendly.....or if you consider having your rental car stolen, and completely stripped down, including the wheels, so that you can pay for it before you leave "one happy island" friendly.....your handbag ripped from you by a passing vehicle, friendly?.....and I could go on and on!

READ THE NEWSPAPERS JULIA, BEFORE YOU OPEN THAT BIG HOLE AND SPEW YOUR LIES!!!!
Did You hear that Julia.....Did You Hear that Julia...Did You hear that Julia?
And who may that be?????? Any relation to the "most interesting man in the world"??? ...and only ONE???  ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I noticed that AFTER I made my post.  But then again, that friendliest person lives among many, many criminals.  Vacation there at your own risk, when you step off that plane you are a target!  JMO
I think the "friendliest person in the world" is probably "Boeti"!!  ::cartwheel::

If you like to sell/buy/use cocaine, I'm sure he is!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: wreck on March 28, 2009, 12:48:31 AM
Hotping,
Remember Patrick van der Eem said Dolphi Ricchardson said Joran was working as a male prostitute I believe he said at age 17.  Could that account for Renfro's abnormal interest in the affairs of teens?  Could it also be how Joran became untouchable?  I have always thought it a good possibility.



Joran? A hooker? Like... ew. Who'd pay for such an ugly skank as Joran? He's a customer of that porno site that's like the Aruban version of "Girls Gone Wild" except it's guys driving a van around and seeing what girls will get into the van and have sex with them while they videotape it.

Did Paulus van der Sloot give legal help to the group of Dutch pedophiles who formed their own political party in order to legalize child rape (lowering the age of consent to 12)? Was Paulus involved with a pedophile or other sex scandal in the Netherlands? Is that why the van der Sloot family had to skedaddle to Aruba and why Paulus was never promoted to official judge? Or did he ever make the grade? Did his mafia buddies like Posner get him a judgeship at last?


...uhhhhh, we aren't talking "Aruban Gigolo" -- we are talking "male prostitute" of the gay kind! (have you seen some of his "friends"?)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 12:57:07 AM
OBG,

Remember the elderly man name of I think Baker that Joran stole the money from?  I guess that would be his targeted demographic?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 28, 2009, 12:58:50 AM
http://www.awe24.com/_moblog/externalInterface/extFrame.php?id=350&mId=1

Papiamentu translation:

trabaonan of investigacion is continua at the dam of monserat

fecha: 27/03/2009 | horario: 20:46

as awe24.com already owing to trece in form of primicia cu will owing to cuminza chica the dam for so can haci they trabao investigativo relaciona cu the buskeda of natalee holloway, today the trabao owing to continua y mayan also already today diabierna can see some penchi cu they're using for identifica cierto areanan. come across

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03272009Awe24_2_1238201405.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03272009Awe24_3_1238201405.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03272009Awe24_4_1238201405.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03272009Awe24_5_1238201405.jpg)
When I first saw the last pic I thought "Oh Look Julia is going back to Her Hidey Hole"....but its really the hose right....Not a Snake?   ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 01:06:28 AM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::  @ Hotping!

I don't know, it's hard to tell if that's a catty grass snake or water hose.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 28, 2009, 01:17:18 AM
::MonkeyHaHa::  @ Hotping!

I don't know, it's hard to tell if that's a catty grass snake or water hose.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
  ::MonkeyHaHa::...Its really strange that They keep taking all of these close up pics of pumps and hoses....like They are trying to make sure that Everyone believes that They are really draining the pond and that Aruba is cooperating with the search.....Like They really Care.....  ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 01:27:17 AM
Yes, likely a step needed if dredging is in fact scheduled to take place but before it's over, they will be telling us how much it cost to run the pumps, etc. again.  That's the way they did with routine flight training on the F-16's, pretended it was all for Natalee when they were already scheduled to go to Curacao anyway.

As Rob said, they think Americans are stoopid.  That we may be but not nearly stoopid enough to fall for their lame tricks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 28, 2009, 01:49:11 AM
Yes, likely a step needed if dredging is in fact scheduled to take place but before it's over, they will be telling us how much it cost to run the pumps, etc. again.  That's the way they did with routine flight training on the F-16's, pretended it was all for Natalee when they were already scheduled to go to Curacao anyway.

As Rob said, they think Americans are stoopid.  That we may be but not nearly stoopid enough to fall for their lame tricks.
Yes....A step that will have to be done anyways before dredging.....I still think that there is a possibility that They will plant something from the trap in that pond....MO....It sounds like something that ALE would do to try to  get the case solved before the movie next month.....  ::MonkeyEek:: If We were Stoopid like They think this would have been over with in 2005.....God Bless Natalee and Her Family!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 28, 2009, 01:52:31 AM
Good Night All!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 28, 2009, 02:27:55 AM
                      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

                          GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS

                                     KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 28, 2009, 02:38:55 AM
Hotping,
Remember Patrick van der Eem said Dolphi Ricchardson said Joran was working as a male prostitute I believe he said at age 17.  Could that account for Renfro's abnormal interest in the affairs of teens?  Could it also be how Joran became untouchable?  I have always thought it a good possibility.



Joran? A hooker? Like... ew. Who'd pay for such an ugly skank as Joran? He's a customer of that porno site that's like the Aruban version of "Girls Gone Wild" except it's guys driving a van around and seeing what girls will get into the van and have sex with them while they videotape it.

Did Paulus van der Sloot give legal help to the group of Dutch pedophiles who formed their own political party in order to legalize child rape (lowering the age of consent to 12)? Was Paulus involved with a pedophile or other sex scandal in the Netherlands? Is that why the van der Sloot family had to skedaddle to Aruba and why Paulus was never promoted to official judge? Or did he ever make the grade? Did his mafia buddies like Posner get him a judgeship at last?


...uhhhhh, we aren't talking "Aruban Gigolo" -- we are talking "male prostitute" of the gay kind! (have you seen some of his "friends"?)

So... if Paulus was involved in helping pedos legalize child sex and Joran was still a child (under 18) and having sex with men for money... it's sort of like the family hobby, then, isn't it? How proud Aruba must be to be represented in the world media by two such fine specimens of Aruban manhood.

B-b-b-u-t, they're not even Arubans! ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2009, 03:07:03 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 28, 2009, 08:27:39 AM
Items uncovered in Aruba pond as search continues for Holloway (http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2009/03/28/Items-uncovered-in-Aruba-pond/1238240035.html)

(NECN/WGGB) - The search for a missing Alabama teen continues at the bottom of a pond in Aruba.

A Chicopee, Massachusetts based private investigator was hired to search there for the remains of Natalee Holloway.

As you may recall, she disappeared in 2005 during a senior class trip.

Fred Golba and his crew searched a significant portion of a local pond.

They uncovered a pair of women's underwear, a purse, a backpack, and 3 car seat covers.

Golba says his team is not sure how long the items have been there or who they belong too.

A witness claims he saw lead suspect Joran Van der Sloot leaving this pond the night Natalee disappeared.

The search continues Saturday.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: BUCKSHOT on March 28, 2009, 08:32:57 AM
Quote from: ohcanada on March 27, 2009, 09:18:26 PM »  

just a further thought
lets say they hurt her VERY BAD at the rock location
took her to vds house 2:00 ish ..because they couldnt take her back to her hotel
....kalpoes went home......on computer back and forth with joran..
natalee dies (in the vds tub)....joran and daddy vds take natalee to the pond....joran disposes of natalee as daddy circles the block until joran sufaces and then they go home 4:30ish........this would go along with satish saying ..hows the girl and the kalpoes apparent lack of knowledge other than "all that stuff"


All of the above, I suppose, is possible...

*J2K, the native teenagers, lived in the "fast lane."
*No doubt they knew and had "places" to take their conquests.
*The rocks definitely could have played a part. There has no been good satisfying explanation for why a group of painters showed up in the middle of the day to paint them. Unless you believe that it was to prevent tourist vehicle from running into them at night.
*Then, a sighting at raquest club. Definitely makes sense and fits. A deceased female tourist on their hands. Panick was probably setting in on them. Deepak did not seem too happy and flipped a domino game over at hearing they had been seen.  
*Paulus had to be called and they knew it. He knew the law and had plenty of contacts, both above and below board.
*From here, only a few people know the exact details. back to Sloot home or a temporary hiding place, maybe.
*From here: use your imagination..all kinds of rumors. ATM visits, party at LVR, crab cage/knife/break-in at fisherman's huts, text messages, chat sessions online, research of "drugs and alcohol" on Sloot computer, bathtub, porn sites, catch the bus or not, go to school or not, Freddy camera, 6:30AM call, muddy JVDS, etc.
*The aftermath-tidbits: fresh concrete at Sloot home, school headmaster, security guards, furniture delivery truck at Sloot home, blocked Sloot search, weak interrogations, blood to chocolate in DK car, switched DK car, rumored sex parties (JM,JR, and other elders), CAPS, SHango, Simian, Clyde Burke, VanderStraaten, Jossy, Schippers, Renfro, Judges, Dompig, Jansen, Mos, Richardson, Jacobs, Oduber, Croes,, Posner, growing suspect lists - VanCromvoirt, SCroes, Guido, Koen, Freddy, Max(es), LVR, mysterious necktie death, Harley guy found dead, natural bridge goes down, AHATA junping on board, bloody mattress, CharlesCroes and his phone connections, and on and on - too many to name. So many pop in my head. Some of them are true and relative, most of them are not. The bigger the cloud, the more ambiguous it becomes.

My calculations:
** The crime happened quickly, relative to everything. From the time they left CnC (1am-ish) until about 5am-ish maximum.
**Aruba has been in cover-up mode ever since. Four years later, they refuse to admit wrongdoing and corruption.

Totals: Crime(4hrs). Cover-up(4years).

Aruba did not expect the relentlessness of this family. The security guards almost got framed. Aruba thought it could wipe this under the rug. Once the international media got hold of it, though, their goose became cooked. They were front and center and all eyes were on them. Like a liar always does, they stuck to their lies.

Note: I have could add stuff to this message for days and it would not completely express my thoughts on the matter. But, gotta run...BBL.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: wreck on March 28, 2009, 08:41:07 AM
Items uncovered in Aruba pond as search continues for Holloway (http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2009/03/28/Items-uncovered-in-Aruba-pond/1238240035.html)

(NECN/WGGB) - The search for a missing Alabama teen continues at the bottom of a pond in Aruba.

A Chicopee, Massachusetts based private investigator was hired to search there for the remains of Natalee Holloway.

As you may recall, she disappeared in 2005 during a senior class trip.

Fred Golba and his crew searched a significant portion of a local pond.

They uncovered a pair of women's underwear, a purse, a backpack, and 3 car seat covers, a partial skull (or hermit crab), a pelvic bone, a piece of blue denim, and 6 large baggies.

Golba says his team is not sure how long the items have been there or who they belong too.

A witness claims he saw lead suspect Joran Van der Sloot leaving this pond the night Natalee disappeared.

The search continues Saturday.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 28, 2009, 09:31:30 AM
Items uncovered in Aruba pond as search continues for Holloway (http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2009/03/28/Items-uncovered-in-Aruba-pond/1238240035.html)

(NECN/WGGB) - The search for a missing Alabama teen continues at the bottom of a pond in Aruba.

A Chicopee, Massachusetts based private investigator was hired to search there for the remains of Natalee Holloway.

As you may recall, she disappeared in 2005 during a senior class trip.

Fred Golba and his crew searched a significant portion of a local pond.

They uncovered a pair of women's underwear, a purse, a backpack, and 3 car seat covers, a partial skull (or hermit crab), a pelvic bone, a piece of blue denim, and 6 large baggies.

Golba says his team is not sure how long the items have been there or who they belong too.

A witness claims he saw lead suspect Joran Van der Sloot leaving this pond the night Natalee disappeared.

The search continues Saturday.



B-b-b-u-t... aren't baggies a natural sea life formation (at least, in Aruban waters)?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: nonesuche on March 28, 2009, 09:46:01 AM
Nonesuche,

I hope you get some REAL rest now as that is too much work.  You have burned the candle at both ends since the loss of your Beloved and I hope the time is coming when you can unload some of the burden of being the sole support for yourself and your children but you have put forth superhuman effort in that regard.

I admire your courage and effort.  Working your job plus the cookie business was the maximum a mother could do and you have earned a break from it all.  I hope the economy won't prevent your getting it.

Gosh Anna, what a kind and generous post. I appreciate your kind support so much. We all have struggles and I admire you and others here, that push forward beyond obstacles daily but never ask for praise. I have lots of company with many other hard working single mothers that haven't been as fortunate as myself. I hope you have a great weekend and enjoy the redbud's for I surely loved seeing the photo!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 28, 2009, 10:02:59 AM
Nonesuche,

I hope you get some REAL rest now as that is too much work.  You have burned the candle at both ends since the loss of your Beloved and I hope the time is coming when you can unload some of the burden of being the sole support for yourself and your children but you have put forth superhuman effort in that regard.

I admire your courage and effort.  Working your job plus the cookie business was the maximum a mother could do and you have earned a break from it all.  I hope the economy won't prevent your getting it.

Gosh Anna, what a kind and generous post. I appreciate your kind support so much. We all have struggles and I admire you and others here, that push forward beyond obstacles daily but never ask for praise. I have lots of company with many other hard working single mothers that haven't been as fortunate as myself. I hope you have a great weekend and enjoy the redbud's for I surely loved seeing the photo!


I have tremendous respect for single working Moms. After my Dad left when I was 10 years old, my mother raised three children, worked full-time as a kindergarten teacher, and graduated from college. You have to reach beyond normal human strength and endurance, beyond the limits of your own personal capacity for patience and understanding and exist in a "zone" that us average humans will never really understand because you can't know until you've been there, done that. And you still have to hold that child while they are crying because they got a sticker in their foot or they are sick with flu and give them all the love you have in your heart and at least that, thank G-d, is endless. And you never even expect a "thank you." But, they will understand one day and they will thank you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: nonesuche on March 28, 2009, 10:08:56 AM
 ::MonkeyEek:: Now I'm confused by the article oldiebg posted, do you have a direct link to it?

Wasn't it stated that Golba could not speak to the media for the next two weeks?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: nonesuche on March 28, 2009, 10:13:46 AM
Oldiebutgoodie you should be so proud of your Mom as I am sure she's proud of each of you. My children have made me proud and have certainly been well worth the effort. They both seem to understand it takes lots of hard work to make it in this world and if they have learned that, I'm confident they have the tools to make it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2009, 10:27:52 AM
::MonkeyEek:: Now I'm confused by the article oldiebg posted, do you have a direct link to it?

Wasn't it stated that Golba could not speak to the media for the next two weeks?
http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2009/03/28/Items-uncovered-in-Aruba-pond/1238240035.html

Article link but I'm having problems getting it to open.  Also, posted by Johan at BFN.  Wonder if Johan and ******* are getting his photos directly from Capslock, Renfro or is someone like Hotshot there?

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/fred-1copy.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2009, 10:33:44 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/7oAJOsYL__4&hl=en&fs=1



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: nonesuche on March 28, 2009, 10:42:59 AM
Klaas I get a system exception the moment the found items in the video come into view?

I wouldn't doubt if dark lord and friends have a Renfro connection, not at all.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: nonesuche on March 28, 2009, 10:46:19 AM
Klaas the video on the link worked best for me, just an FYI.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2009, 10:53:09 AM
At the very end of the video:


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/ItemsFoundPond.jpg)



And for those who wish to copy
  ::MonkeyHaHa::


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/ItemsFoundPond2.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2009, 10:54:37 AM
::MonkeyEek:: Now I'm confused by the article oldiebg posted, do you have a direct link to it?

Wasn't it stated that Golba could not speak to the media for the next two weeks?
http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2009/03/28/Items-uncovered-in-Aruba-pond/1238240035.html

Article link but I'm having problems getting it to open.  Also, posted by Johan at BFN.  Wonder if Johan and ******* are getting his photos directly from Capslock, Renfro or is someone like Hotshot there?

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/fred-1copy.jpg)

After viewing the video at the link, I think Johan's photos are probably taken from it.  JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: nonesuche on March 28, 2009, 10:54:55 AM
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Klaas I just made some too


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2009, 10:55:40 AM
At the very end of the video:


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/ItemsFoundPond.jpg)



And for those who wish to copy
  ::MonkeyHaHa::


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/ItemsFoundPond2.gif)


 ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2009, 10:55:41 AM
Texasmom - I agree, Johan took is screen caps from the video just as I did.  That's why I'm showing how silly Johan is  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2009, 10:56:31 AM
::MonkeyHaHa:: Klaas I just made some too

Too funny, "not copywrited"  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: nonesuche on March 28, 2009, 10:57:00 AM
Texasmom - I agree, Johan took is screen caps from the video just as I did.  That's why I'm showing how silly Johan is  ::MonkeyHaHa::

INDEED HE IS !! I guess he put the panty shots in the hidey hole  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: bastibro on March 28, 2009, 10:57:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/7oAJOsYL__4&hl=en&fs=1


Sorry Klaas, I deleted that because it wasn`t ok.
I just re uploaded it  ::MonkeyWink::


Edited to replace with your new one...thanks!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2009, 10:59:28 AM
Texasmom - I agree, Johan took is screen caps from the video just as I did.  That's why I'm showing how silly Johan is  ::MonkeyHaHa::

INDEED HE IS !! I guess he put the panty shots in the hidey hole  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: nonesuche on March 28, 2009, 10:59:42 AM
and did you copyright it bastibro?


 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: bastibro on March 28, 2009, 11:01:09 AM
and did you copyright it bastibro?


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes Hands off, it`s mine!! ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 11:03:07 AM
::MonkeyEek:: Now I'm confused by the article oldiebg posted, do you have a direct link to it?

Wasn't it stated that Golba could not speak to the media for the next two weeks?  

Good Morning none

I hope you have a good rest this weekend.

You are right.  However ... a guy would reveal his mission to an airline attendant on his flight to Aruba ....

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Fred Golba has no idea in regards to the definition of discret and professional.

Janet

++++++


Natalee Holloway update: potential problems for search parties bound for Aruba
By Jen Hale
Reporter and weekend anchor
Published: March 25, 2009


<snipped> 

Fred Golba arrived in Aruba last Friday and planned to start searching Saturday.

However, Golba wasn’t allowed to begin until he met with government officials Monday to explain his plan and issue a promise not to talk to the media.  

For that reason, NBC 13 has not been able to ask Golba about Miller’s concerns.

http://www.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/article/natalee_holloway_update_potential_problems_for_search_parties_bound_for_aru/65265/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: nonesuche on March 28, 2009, 11:03:32 AM
and did you copyright it bastibro?


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes Hands off, it`s mine!! ::MonkeyEek::

trust me, I have no desire to touch it



 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: nonesuche on March 28, 2009, 11:04:48 AM
::MonkeyEek:: Now I'm confused by the article oldiebg posted, do you have a direct link to it?

Wasn't it stated that Golba could not speak to the media for the next two weeks?  

Good Morning none

I hope you have a good rest this weekend.

You are right.  However ... a guy would reveal his mission to an airline attendant on his flight to Aruba ....

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Fred Golba has no idea in regards to the definition of discret and professional.

Janet

++++++


Natalee Holloway update: potential problems for search parties bound for Aruba
By Jen Hale
Reporter and weekend anchor
Published: March 25, 2009


<snipped> 

Fred Golba arrived in Aruba last Friday and planned to start searching Saturday.

However, Golba wasn’t allowed to begin until he met with government officials Monday to explain his plan and issue a promise not to talk to the media.  

For that reason, NBC 13 has not been able to ask Golba about Miller’s concerns.

http://www.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/article/natalee_holloway_update_potential_problems_for_search_parties_bound_for_aru/65265/


Good morning Janet, I hope you rested well too, it's early for you!

Thank you for finding that quote for it truly does give us some insight as to who is the leak in this instance, don't you think?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 11:09:05 AM
and did you copyright it bastibro?


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes Hands off, it`s mine!! ::MonkeyEek::

trust me, I have no desire to touch it



 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Time for breaky.

Janet
8:10 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: bastibro on March 28, 2009, 11:09:36 AM
and did you copyright it bastibro?


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes Hands off, it`s mine!! ::MonkeyEek::

trust me, I have no desire to touch it



 ::MonkeyHaHa::

It`s all about Natalee Holloway and a bigger purpose than me or enyone else.
I know we are all aiming at the same goal, Justice and truth for the girl and her family.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: johan555 on March 28, 2009, 11:15:59 AM
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/A-Joran.gif?t=1238252899)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 11:20:24 AM

It`s all about Natalee Holloway and a bigger purpose than me or enyone else.
I know we are all aiming at the same goal, Justice and truth for the girl and her family.



bastibro

In Tamikosmom's words ... if Kyle Kingman's words are disregarded ... justice for Natalee Holloway takes a back seat.

Janet

++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played.  I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer.  Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: nonesuche on March 28, 2009, 11:20:56 AM
and did you copyright it bastibro?


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes Hands off, it`s mine!! ::MonkeyEek::

trust me, I have no desire to touch it



 ::MonkeyHaHa::

It`s all about Natalee Holloway and a bigger purpose than me or enyone else.
I know we are all aiming at the same goal, Justice and truth for the girl and her family.



If you truly believe that bastibro, then please cascade it to the hidey holes. Posting posters real names, locations, attacking admins or posters just because they disagree with you is all part of this.

Be part of the solution please, help stop the attacks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: San on March 28, 2009, 11:23:51 AM
and did you copyright it bastibro?


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes Hands off, it`s mine!! ::MonkeyEek::

trust me, I have no desire to touch it



 ::MonkeyHaHa::

It`s all about Natalee Holloway and a bigger purpose than me or enyone else.
I know we are all aiming at the same goal, Justice and truth for the girl and her family.


Yes, the bigger purpose would be closure for her family.  As far as everyone seeking the same goal well I will disagree with that one.  Some go about seeking justice in an evil way and they have their own agenda.  Some would say they lost touch with reality.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2009, 11:24:57 AM
Johan - a word of advise.  If you want to get your message across you have to make it legible.  That said, after straining my eyes to read I agree with it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 28, 2009, 11:27:22 AM
Sorry if this has already been posted...

By Havonnah Johnson
Reporter
Published: March 27, 2009

The search for Natalee Holloway continues. Aruba journalist tells us prosecutor Hans Mos requested crews drain a retention pond,  near the hotel where Natalee Holloway stayed on the island.

A witness claimed suspect Joran Van Der Sloot was also seen near the pond the night Holloway disappeared in May of 2005. Private investigator Fred Golba and a team of volunteers worked to get the water pumped out of the pond. Now they searching its floor inch by inch. Although the team is trained and dedicated, locals are not sure this search will give the family closure they’ve been looking for.

“It is very likely he won’t find anything but the father knows that someone honestly believes that they saw someone walking through the pond at 4 a.m. and this man passed two lie detector tests,“ said Julia Renfro of the Aruba Daily.

No word on how much this search cost. Natalee’s father, Dave Holloway is paying for it. Meanwhile people at Texas Equisearch plan on launching another search very soon.
http://www.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/article/the_search_for_natalee_continues/65656/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 28, 2009, 11:29:26 AM
Good Morning Monkeys!

Justice for Natalee and Her Family!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 11:31:12 AM
Good Morning, Monkeys!

Anyone truly seeking Justice for Natalee Holloway is not concerned with proprietorship or gloryhounding. 

As much information to as many people as possible is where it is at.  Note SM seems to be the only forum that is completely open with no hidey holes.  All can read here even without registration.

BoycottAruba.com also is open but the rest at least have a thread or more for their own information only or require registration.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 28, 2009, 11:32:50 AM

It`s all about Natalee Holloway and a bigger purpose than me or enyone else.
I know we are all aiming at the same goal, Justice and truth for the girl and her family.



bastibro

In Tamikosmom's words ... if Kyle Kingman's words are disregarded ... justice for Natalee Holloway takes a back seat.

Janet

++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played.  I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer.  Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.
Good Morning Janet!.....I wonder who Louis Schaefer's Proxy was?  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Blue Moon on March 28, 2009, 11:34:03 AM
::MonkeyHaHa:: Klaas I just made some too

Too funny, "not copywrited"  ::MonkeyHaHa::

What happened to putting his arm in the mud up to his elbows?  He is picking up stuff off the surface from what I can see.  I want to see him sticking his arms in mud ALL OVER that pond.  Imagine how long that will take.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 28, 2009, 11:34:54 AM
::MonkeyHaHa:: Klaas I just made some too

Too funny, "not copywrited"  ::MonkeyHaHa::

What happened to putting his arm in the mud up to his elbows?  He is picking up stuff off the surface from what I can see.  I want to see him sticking his arms in mud ALL OVER that pond.  Imagine how long that will take.
  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: nonesuche on March 28, 2009, 11:40:13 AM
::MonkeyHaHa:: Klaas I just made some too

Too funny, "not copywrited"  ::MonkeyHaHa::

What happened to putting his arm in the mud up to his elbows?  He is picking up stuff off the surface from what I can see.  I want to see him sticking his arms in mud ALL OVER that pond.  Imagine how long that will take.
  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: this one might qualify for that dirtiest job on discovery?

Toward that end if you watch the video from the news station, it's apparent as he sweeps thru the mud with his boot that he should be able to search at least a foot below with that method.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 11:59:04 AM
::MonkeyHaHa:: Klaas I just made some too

Too funny, "not copywrited"  ::MonkeyHaHa::

What happened to putting his arm in the mud up to his elbows?  He is picking up stuff off the surface from what I can see.  I want to see him sticking his arms in mud ALL OVER that pond.  Imagine how long that will take.
  ::MonkeyHaHa::

hotping

The Fred Golba search is beyond unprofessional.  It is cruel joke when the family of Natalee Holloway is taking into consideration.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Where does Golba's wonder dog come into play?

Considering the water still in the pond ... I contend another sonar scan or ... maybe divers ... would be where it was at.  Anything that did not disturb or destroy possible evidence.

Not just a man and his dog.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 12:02:08 PM

It`s all about Natalee Holloway and a bigger purpose than me or enyone else.
I know we are all aiming at the same goal, Justice and truth for the girl and her family.



bastibro

In Tamikosmom's words ... if Kyle Kingman's words are disregarded ... justice for Natalee Holloway takes a back seat.

Janet

++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played.  I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer.  Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.
Good Morning Janet!.....I wonder who Louis Schaefer's Proxy was?  ::MonkeyEek::

Attorney?

Good Morning hotping.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 28, 2009, 12:08:50 PM
::MonkeyHaHa:: Klaas I just made some too

Too funny, "not copywrited"  ::MonkeyHaHa::

What happened to putting his arm in the mud up to his elbows?  He is picking up stuff off the surface from what I can see.  I want to see him sticking his arms in mud ALL OVER that pond.  Imagine how long that will take.
  ::MonkeyHaHa::

hotping

The Fred Golba search is beyond unprofessional.  It is cruel joke when the family of Natalee Holloway is taking into consideration.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Where does Golba's wonder dog come into play?

Considering the water still in the pond ... I contend another sonar scan or ... maybe divers ... would be where it was at.  Anything that did not disturb or destroy possible evidence.

Not just a man and his dog.

Janet


Agreed! I have a feeling this is why Tim Miller is so upset with Fred doing this search....JMO..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 12:09:59 PM

It`s all about Natalee Holloway and a bigger purpose than me or anyone else.
I know we are all aiming at the same goal, Justice and truth for the girl and her family.



bastibro

In Tamikosmom's words ... if Kyle Kingman's words are disregarded ... justice for Natalee Holloway takes a back seat.

Janet

++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played.  I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer.  Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independent and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.
Good Morning Janet!.....I wonder who Louis Schaefer's Proxy was?  ::MonkeyEek::

Could he have meant Tim Trahan was a proxy for Louis Schaefer?

And note carefully the words of Kyle Kingman.  Again, just as John Silvetti did, he is calling this a conspiracy.  Not the monkeys, not anyone else but a bona fide member of the crew of the Persistence.

And now we should just keep silent so as to not jeopardize his future working relationships?  I believe the demand in this area is so great that nothing would actually do that as work is plentiful and am not responsible for what others say. 

So what happened to change their minds?  Was it not profitable to expose the cover up after all and that took precedent over doing the right thing?  Something brought it all to a screeching halt.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 28, 2009, 12:11:07 PM

It`s all about Natalee Holloway and a bigger purpose than me or enyone else.
I know we are all aiming at the same goal, Justice and truth for the girl and her family.



bastibro

In Tamikosmom's words ... if Kyle Kingman's words are disregarded ... justice for Natalee Holloway takes a back seat.

Janet

++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played.  I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer.  Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.
Good Morning Janet!.....I wonder who Louis Schaefer's Proxy was?  ::MonkeyEek::

Attorney?

Good Morning hotping.

Janet
Good Question Janet....Maybe one of the XFreebirds or Kermit will tell Us... if They know..... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Blue Moon on March 28, 2009, 12:12:29 PM
::MonkeyHaHa:: Klaas I just made some too

Too funny, "not copywrited"  ::MonkeyHaHa::

What happened to putting his arm in the mud up to his elbows?  He is picking up stuff off the surface from what I can see.  I want to see him sticking his arms in mud ALL OVER that pond.  Imagine how long that will take.
  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: this one might qualify for that dirtiest job on discovery?

Toward that end if you watch the video from the news station, it's apparent as he sweeps thru the mud with his boot that he should be able to search at least a foot below with that method.

I haven't watched the clip yet (but will--just did 1 1/2 months of bank accounts, I have to spend less time here and more time keeping up with family finances) but did he have his dog in the mud sniffing?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 12:14:25 PM
::MonkeyHaHa:: Klaas I just made some too

Too funny, "not copywrited"  ::MonkeyHaHa::

What happened to putting his arm in the mud up to his elbows?  He is picking up stuff off the surface from what I can see.  I want to see him sticking his arms in mud ALL OVER that pond.  Imagine how long that will take.


Yeah, from the elbow to the shoulder!

He PROMISED!  I want to see it.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyShocked::


So I guess we are going to be treated to all the garbage tossed into the pond since the last search when it was dry and they searched for Jose Tromp and found nothing.

No wonder they got so upset at the baggies being photographed.  We saw what was in them so what are they going to use for evidence now?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 12:16:23 PM
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Good Morning texasmom

I left our little laughing girl ... along with the link ... on the other thread.  I am so neglectful.  Thank you for bringing her back to me last night.  I promise I will never let that happen again or ... you may have second thoughts about giving me joint custody.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: AZSunny on March 28, 2009, 12:17:05 PM
When they did the sonar search of the pond, my understanding was they could see what was in the water, but not below the water in the mud.  Is that accurate?  If so, what benefit would there be to another sonar search?   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 28, 2009, 12:25:14 PM

It`s all about Natalee Holloway and a bigger purpose than me or anyone else.
I know we are all aiming at the same goal, Justice and truth for the girl and her family.



bastibro

In Tamikosmom's words ... if Kyle Kingman's words are disregarded ... justice for Natalee Holloway takes a back seat.

Janet

++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played.  I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer.  Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independent and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.
Good Morning Janet!.....I wonder who Louis Schaefer's Proxy was?  ::MonkeyEek::

Could he have meant Tim Trahan was a proxy for Louis Schaefer?

And note carefully the words of Kyle Kingman.  Again, just as John Silvetti did, he is calling this a conspiracy.  Not the monkeys, not anyone else but a bona fide member of the crew of the Persistence.

And now we should just keep silent so as to not jeopardize his future working relationships?  I believe the demand in this area is so great that nothing would actually do that as work is plentiful and am not responsible for what others say. 

So what happened to change their minds?  Was it not profitable to expose the cover up after all and that took precedent over doing the right thing?  Something brought it all to a screeching halt.


Anna....I believe Kyle was saying the secret meeting was between Himself and Tim T and Someone who was a Proxy for Schaefer....Three in All...JMO

As far what changed Their minds I have no idea....but MO is it had something to do with Money because if Doing the right thing had been important to Them We probably wouldn't be having this conversation....Again JMO...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: hotping on March 28, 2009, 12:32:35 PM
BBL Monkeys....I have to Brave the Cold and Run some Errands...Yesterday it was 78 Degrees here... Today a High of 50 Degrees and Very Windy ...BRRRRR.... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 12:36:27 PM
According to Kyle Kingman ... the draining of a body of water should only be done once targets of interest have been identified.  He upheld the May, 2008 draining when he was under the impression it had everything to do with the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

+++++++

exploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #461 on: March 20, 2008, 06:48:10 PM »


I personally don't like draining ponds unless absolutely necessary.  The larger the body or water the more cost-effective and efficient a side scan sonar is.  A scanning sonar can be used in smaller ponds.  TES now has connections with people who can best handle this type of search in my opinion.  I think you're on the right track and I wish you and the family well.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg367196;topicseen#msg367196


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
« Reply #581 on: May 14, 2008, 06:23:17 PM »


My understanding is the pond draining was absolutely necessary.  The purpose for the sonar search in the pond was to build a case to drain it.  Apparently there was enough interest to go ahead with it. We'll see how it goes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.msg381300;topicseen#msg381300


Published: March 24, 2009 11:17 pm         
Search for Holloway continues
Father trying to cover all the possibilities
By Brian Livingston


Holloway said he had been waiting for the water level of the retention pond to go down before commissioning this latest search.

"I told the prosecutor I didn't have a great deal of confidence in this latest search," said Holloway. "But the pond is scheduled to be dredged soon and I was concerned if she is there then the dredging may destroy any hopes of finding her. The bottom line is you never know and I didn't want to say later on that, 'maybe I should have at least tried.'"

http://www.meridianstar.com/local/local_story_084001809.html


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Credit: texasmom


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 12:38:09 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03272009Awe24_3_1238201405.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: wreck on March 28, 2009, 12:39:35 PM
BBL Monkeys....I have to Brave the Cold and Run some Errands...Yesterday it was 78 Degrees here... Today a High of 50 Degrees and Very Windy ...BRRRRR.... ::MonkeyHaHa::
It has heated up to a "balmy" 40 degrees in Dallas -- damn global warming!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Rob on March 28, 2009, 12:52:53 PM
::MonkeyHaHa:: Klaas I just made some too

Too funny, "not copywrited"  ::MonkeyHaHa::

What happened to putting his arm in the mud up to his elbows?  He is picking up stuff off the surface from what I can see.  I want to see him sticking his arms in mud ALL OVER that pond.  Imagine how long that will take.
  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::
yeah... I heard from the grape-wine there's a new fangled device called GROUND PENETRATING RADAR... but what do I know about drain ponds or stickin' my hand in the muck up to my shoulder?

I'll I know 'bout is boppin' gophers.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: wreck on March 28, 2009, 12:56:26 PM
::MonkeyHaHa:: Klaas I just made some too

Too funny, "not copywrited"  ::MonkeyHaHa::

What happened to putting his arm in the mud up to his elbows?  He is picking up stuff off the surface from what I can see.  I want to see him sticking his arms in mud ALL OVER that pond.  Imagine how long that will take.
  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::
yeah... I heard from the grape-wine there's a new fangled device called GROUND PENETRATING RADAR... but what do I know about drain ponds or stickin' my hand in the muck up to my shoulder?

I'll I know 'bout is boppin' gophers.
The whole island is just a rock. There is only about 3-4" of silt in that pond anyways!  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2009, 12:57:30 PM
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Good Morning texasmom

I left our little laughing girl ... along with the link ... on the other thread.  I am so neglectful.  Thank you for bringing her back to me last night.  I promise I will never let that happen again or ... you may have second thoughts about giving me joint custody.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet


Good morning Janet!  Don't worry, our little laughing girl has now won the hearts of many monkeys!  Even if we're not always watching over her; she is safe here in any of the cages of SM.  I only worry that she may be given too many bananas, she is so lovable everyone wants to hug her and give her bananas! 

You know what they say, it takes a village; (or a cage full of monkeys)!

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)
   




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 12:58:38 PM
It is a beautiful day in the Fraser Valley of British Columbia.  The sun is shining through my dirty windows.  Hubby and I are at a stand-off.  I want to hire a seventeen year old young man from our church who has done a beautiful job of cleaning the outside of our neighbour's window.

Hubby claims that he can clean the windows like he has done for the 36 years we have lived in the home.  He does not get it ... he is 36 years older than when we built.  I worry about him up on that ladder and ... he claims that a long handled squeegy does not do a proper job.  I contend that any job will improved the present situation.

I think I will do a clean sweep of the kitchen cupboards.

Have a good Saturday Monkeys.

Janet
9:55 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Rob on March 28, 2009, 12:59:52 PM
::MonkeyHaHa:: Klaas I just made some too

Too funny, "not copywrited"  ::MonkeyHaHa::

What happened to putting his arm in the mud up to his elbows?  He is picking up stuff off the surface from what I can see.  I want to see him sticking his arms in mud ALL OVER that pond.  Imagine how long that will take.
  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::
yeah... I heard from the grape-wine there's a new fangled device called GROUND PENETRATING RADAR... but what do I know about drain ponds or stickin' my hand in the muck up to my shoulder?

I'll I know 'bout is boppin' gophers.
The whole island is just a rock. There is only about 3-4" of silt in that pond anyways!  ::MonkeyRoll::

whatta catastrophe mess devious operation cluster muck waiiiiiiiiiittttttt!!!!! scratch all that!!!

this is justa about right for 'r00ba.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 01:02:07 PM
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Good Morning texasmom

I left our little laughing girl ... along with the link ... on the other thread.  I am so neglectful.  Thank you for bringing her back to me last night.  I promise I will never let that happen again or ... you may have second thoughts about giving me joint custody.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet


Good morning Janet!  Don't worry, our little laughing girl has now won the hearts of many monkeys!  Even if we're not always watching over her; she is safe here in any of the cages of SM.  I only worry that she may be given too many bananas, she is so lovable everyone wants to hug her and give her bananas! 

You know what they say, it takes a village; (or a cage full of monkeys)!

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)
   

Bananas are healthy.  Our little girl must feel the love in the cage ... I know I do.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Rob on March 28, 2009, 01:03:52 PM
I saw one article posted here that said Mr. Golba found hundreds of bodies. Then I saw another that said (I think) 37 bodies.

Does anyone know what his success rate really is and does he just go where unreliable phantom witnesses take him?

He's been to Aruba 9 times now. So far he's 0-9. Not truly astonishing if you ask me. You'd think he would stumble over something at some point - but what do I know?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Rob on March 28, 2009, 01:08:40 PM
anything found in that pond - even if it's wearing a denim skirt - will quickly be classified as ancient pirate remains from the 1400's.

The bones will be dated by a quick visual and the sex will be determined by looking at the should socket.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: wreck on March 28, 2009, 01:09:59 PM
I saw one article posted here that said Mr. Golba found hundreds of bodies. Then I saw another that said (I think) 37 bodies.

Does anyone know what his success rate really is and does he just go where unreliable phantom witnesses take him?

He's been to Aruba 9 times now. So far he's 0-9. Not truly astonishing if you ask me. You'd think he would stumble over something at some point - but what do I know?
I haven't even seen "Lightanks" yet -- the dog must be enjoying his vacation on the beach.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 01:12:51 PM
I saw one article posted here that said Mr. Golba found hundreds of bodies. Then I saw another that said (I think) 37 bodies.

Does anyone know what his success rate really is and does he just go where unreliable phantom witnesses take him?

He's been to Aruba 9 times now. So far he's 0-9. Not truly astonishing if you ask me. You'd think he would stumble over something at some point - but what do I know?


I'd like a factual record as well, Rob.  Because he participated in 9/11 search I think he is giving himself credit for all the bodies recovered.  Hardly an accurate picture of his past performance.

If he had found 2000 of course he would be incredibily famous.

The 37 is more believable but I'd like some documentation on even that as he doesn't seem to have a clue what he is doing.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Rob on March 28, 2009, 01:17:59 PM
I saw one article posted here that said Mr. Golba found hundreds of bodies. Then I saw another that said (I think) 37 bodies.

Does anyone know what his success rate really is and does he just go where unreliable phantom witnesses take him?

He's been to Aruba 9 times now. So far he's 0-9. Not truly astonishing if you ask me. You'd think he would stumble over something at some point - but what do I know?
I haven't even seen "Lightanks" yet -- the dog must be enjoying his vacation on the beach.

I think "Lighttanks" might be a new dog. I think I saw another article from like 2005 that has Mr. Golba using two other dogs - least thats the way it looked. I thought I saw the names of the dogs listed, and it wasn't Rhino "Lighttanks" Golba.

And we have learned that when a wonder dog arrives on Aruba - it takes time to get used to Aruba. WLC told us - so it must be true. And this Rhino "Lighttanks" Golba ain't no ordinary Search and Rescue and Drug Sniffer and Money Laundering Dog... this is the real deal and it could literally take this dog a month to get used to Aruba. You might not see him anytime soon wreck.

It will take some time for "Lighttanks" Golba to figure out if he looking for a body, drugs, drug money, or milk bones. He's got to be very confused.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: wreck on March 28, 2009, 01:19:32 PM
I saw one article posted here that said Mr. Golba found hundreds of bodies. Then I saw another that said (I think) 37 bodies.

Does anyone know what his success rate really is and does he just go where unreliable phantom witnesses take him?

He's been to Aruba 9 times now. So far he's 0-9. Not truly astonishing if you ask me. You'd think he would stumble over something at some point - but what do I know?
I haven't even seen "Lightanks" yet -- the dog must be enjoying his vacation on the beach.

I think "Lighttanks" might be a new dog. I think I saw another article from like 2005 that has Mr. Golba using two other dogs - least thats the way it looked. I thought I saw the names of the dogs listed, and it wasn't Rhino "Lighttanks" Golba.

And we have learned that when a wonder dog arrives on Aruba - it takes time to get used to Aruba. WLC told us - so it must be true. And this Rhino "Lighttanks" Golba ain't no ordinary Search and Rescue and Drug Sniffer and Money Laundering Dog... this is the real deal and it could literally take this dog a month to get used to Aruba. You might not see him anytime soon wreck.

It will take some time for "Lighttanks" Golba to figure out if he looking for a body, drugs, drug money, or milk bones. He's got to be very confused.
::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 01:28:59 PM

Natalee Holloway Dad: Pond Search May Take 2 Weeks
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 


ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  The father of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway said Monday that a U.S. private investigator has begun scouring a pond in Aruba for signs of his daughter and the search may take up to two weeks.

Dave Holloway said the Aruba Prosecutors' Office has asked the investigator, Fred Golba of Chicopee, Massachusetts, to not speak to reporters during his search for evidence into Natalee Holloway's May 2005 disappearance.

Holloway said the tracker dog specialist will comply with the request.

Golba will be searching the pond for "10 days to two weeks maximum" in search of any answers that have eluded the family, Holloway said from his home in Meridian, Mississippi.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510273,00.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 01:34:37 PM
Four days following his agreement with the Arubans not to talk to media ....

Janet

5 hours 56 min 57 sec ago
Items uncovered in Aruba pond as search continues for Holloway

(NECN/WGGB) - The search for a missing Alabama teen continues at the bottom of a pond in Aruba.

A Chicopee, Massachusetts based private investigator was hired to search there for the remains of Natalee Holloway.

As you may recall, she disappeared in 2005 during a senior class trip.

Fred Golba and his crew searched a significant portion of a local pond.

They uncovered a pair of women's underwear, a purse, a backpack, and 3 car seat covers.

Golba says his team is not sure how long the items have been there or who they belong too.

A witness claims he saw lead suspect Joran Van der Sloot leaving this pond the night Natalee disappeared.

The search continues Saturday.

http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2009/03/28/Items-uncovered-in-Aruba-pond/1238240035.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 02:40:01 PM
It appears that Aruba/Julia Renfro picks and choses what words to believe ... the words that come from the lying lips of Joran van der Sloot.

Janet

++++++++

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Cases That Changed America
Aired March 27, 2009 - 19:00:00   ET


DIMOND:  I have to disagree with your reporter in Aruba. Aruba did let killers walk among the tourists. If it wasn`t Joran Van Der Sloot, in her mind because the justice system hasn`t proved it yet. There was somebody who killed that young girl. She did not just disappear into thin air.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Julia, I want to give you an opportunity to answer that.

RENFRO: OK. Well, and I understand what you`re saying. But actually, the Kalpoe brothers have been released of any suspicion and have been, based on -- according to the statements and videos that Joran has said, these two brothers have nothing to do with it. They`re innocent. And...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/27/ijvm.01.html


FREDDY KNOWS!

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005


To your question whether I of if Joran told the story to someone else, than I can say the following. I know Joran told his story to his friend named Freddy ZEDAN. Freddy lives behind Joran. His mobile phone number is inside my mobile phone.

To your question whether Joran told me what he had told Freddy, I can say the following. Joran told me that he had told Freddy the truth and the story that was made up. I know that he trusts Freddy more because they have known each other for a long time.


Freddy Arambatzis
Witness Statement
June 12, 2005


The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house.

After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish.


THE GARDENER KNOWS!!

CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Update on Natalee Holloway Investigation
Aired February 23, 2006 - 21:00 ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 02:42:38 PM
"Innocent" is not a word I would use for sexual predators who show up at night clubs a half hour before closing time for the purpose of carving out a victim.

According to Julia, it's all good clean fun.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 02:45:22 PM
I saw one article posted here that said Mr. Golba found hundreds of bodies. Then I saw another that said (I think) 37 bodies.

Does anyone know what his success rate really is and does he just go where unreliable phantom witnesses take him?

He's been to Aruba 9 times now. So far he's 0-9. Not truly astonishing if you ask me. You'd think he would stumble over something at some point - but what do I know?
I haven't even seen "Lightanks" yet -- the dog must be enjoying his vacation on the beach.


Apparently "Lighttanks" wants no part of this pond business.  Maybe he refuses to get out of the car and would much prefer to spend his days destroying hotel rooms.  Also he could be very fearful of being left with Renfro and kids again.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/b_150_0_16777215_0__stories_news_20.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 28, 2009, 02:53:09 PM


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Cases That Changed America
Aired March 27, 2009 - 19:00:00   ET


DIMOND:  I have to disagree with your reporter in Aruba. Aruba did let killers walk among the tourists. If it wasn`t Joran Van Der Sloot, in her mind because the justice system hasn`t proved it yet. There was somebody who killed that young girl. She did not just disappear into thin air.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Julia, I want to give you an opportunity to answer that.

RENFRO: OK. Well, and I understand what you`re saying. But actually, the Kalpoe brothers have been released of any suspicion and have been, based on -- according to the statements and videos that Joran has said, these two brothers have nothing to do with it. They`re innocent. And...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/27/ijvm.01.html

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But Julia.....if Joran's own confessions can't be believed because Jorna lies, then how can we believe what he says
about the Kalpoes?   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 03:10:53 PM
There is Julia Renfro's perspective and ... then there is the truth.

Janet

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JULIE RENFRO'S PERSPECTIVE

ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Cases That Changed America
Aired March 27, 2009 - 19:00:00   ET


VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Beth did suffer some criticism by the Arubans, did she not, Julia?

RENFRO: Yes. But that started when -- actually, in July after the two Kalpoe brothers were released. She went on television, and she asked - - or she told the world that Aruba allowed criminals to walk amongst the tourists. And this was very upsetting for us, because that`s not what happened.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/27/ijvm.01.html


THE TRUTH

CNN LIVE TODAY
Missing in Aruba
Aired July 5, 2005 - 10:00   ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S MOTHER: It is now that I ask the world to help me. Two suspects were released yesterday who were involved in a violent crime against my daughter. These criminals are not only allowed to walk freely among the tourists and citizens of Aruba, but there are no limits where they may choose to travel.  
I am asking all mothers and fathers and all nations to hear my plea. I implore you, do not allow these two suspects, the Kalpoe brothers, to enter your country until this case is solved. Do not allow these criminals to walk among your citizens. Help me by not allowing these two to get away with this crime.

It is my greatest fear today that the Kalpoe brothers will leave Aruba. I am asking the Aruban officials to notify the United States State Department in the event these suspects try to leave this island. I am asking all nations not to offer them a safe haven. I am asking this in the name of my beautiful, intelligent and outstanding daughter who I haven’t seen for 36 days and for whom I will continue to search until I find her.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/05/lt.03.html


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 157/158


No one is breathing. Or Moving. Reporters and camera people are crying. The media hve been here more than a month, and they’ve seen firsthand what we’ve experienced. They are moved by this plea. But some of the Arubans are not. Calling their local sons “criminals” offends them. Having just heard the prosecuting attorney tell us at least one of the Kalpoes could be involved in whatever happened to my daughter. I felt the term seemed appropriate. But it led to an abrupt change in the tide of support.
… Not long after the “criminals speech,” some Arubans back off their prayer vigils for Natalee. A few protest in the streets against the barage of negative media. We’ve worn out our welcome at the Holiday Inn. And they let us know they’ve had it. The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us.


Some Arubans angry at Holloway’s mom
Calling brothers ‘criminals’ elicits resentment, statement from lawyer
updated 6:56 p.m. PT, Wed., July. 6, 2005


ORANJESTAD, Aruba - A latent but growing resentment here became evident for the first time when more than 200 people, some wrapped in Aruban flags, said they were incensed by statements made by the mother of missing American teen Natalee Holloway.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8484217


'Scarborough Country' for July 6
updated 8:11 a.m. PT, Thurs., July. 7, 2005


JOHN MERRYWEATHER, FORMER ARUBA DIPLOMAT: I was not part of the organization, but I went there in support of our justice system.

<snipped?

SCARBOROUGH: No, what did Natalee’s mother say that offended so many people in Aruba?

MERRYWEATHER: Well, you know, it—it—it offended me, also.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8498049/


Missing teen's mom apologizes for comments
Statements 'fueled by despair'
Friday, July 8, 2005; Posted: 6:41 p.m. EDT (22:41 GMT)

 
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) — The mother of Natalee Holloway apologized Friday for saying two released suspects were involved in her daughter’s disappearance.

“The statements I made on July 5th were fueled by despair and frustration because of still not knowing where my daughter is,” Beth Holloway Twitty said in a statement to the media. “I think everyone, everyone can sympathize with that.”

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/08/missing.aruba/index.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 03:15:40 PM
A REMINDER


Originally published June 9, 2007 at 12:00 AM | Page modified June 9, 2007 at 2:02 AM
As missing-teen case cools, Aruba turns against family
Arubans helped search for the Alabama high-schooler, who disappeared two years ago, but now they're embittered by the negative publicity.
By Carol J. Williams
Los Angeles Times


American Julia Renfro, editor-in-chief of Aruba Today, initially sided with Holloway's parents when they sought publicity and lambasted Aruban police for following Dutch investigative procedures different from those in the United States.

Galvanized by compassion for a desperate mother, Renfro stopped the presses of her daily newspaper for the first time in its history to include a picture of Holloway to aid Arubans in the islandwide search.

Renfro, a mother of four, spent weeks shuttling the family from the scene of one rumored development to another, but she became disenchanted with what she saw as Twitty's pandering to tabloid TV and "flat-out lies" she told on the air.

"I feel guilty saying any negative thing about a mother who has lost her daughter," Renfro said. "But her behavior was odd from the get-go."

The Seattle Times
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003741183_aruba09.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 03:16:47 PM
So Aruba will disappear your child then expect you to apologize to them. 

And they don't even seem to understand how very wrong that is.  Also will threaten to bring the investigation, and I use that term very loosely for what was done fell far short of that, to a screeching halt if they don't like what the grief-stricken relatives might say.

Where at the Academy at Quantico did they teach that?  Can you imagine any public official or member of LE in this country threatening a parent in this manner?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 03:37:36 PM
klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #699 12/1/2007
« Reply #403 on: December 02, 2007, 11:17:37 PM »


We are not attacking the Holloways, we are QUESTIONING why on earth Robin and Dave believe that Julia Renfro and Mark Purcell are worthy of trust after how badly they have spoken about both Natalee and Beth.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.400


ROBIN HOLLOWAY[/b]

Blonde
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #699 12/1/2007
« Reply #324 on: December 02, 2007, 09:58:41 PM »


Dave is currently on his way home to Meridian. Beth is on her way back also. They met with the KLPD and OM yesterday. I guess there is a miscommunication between interrogation and questioning. They had a lot of questions for Dave and Beth in efforts to help Natalee’s case and dispel a lot of nasty rumours. Also, Dave and Beth had a lot of questions for them too in regards to Natalee’s case. The meeting went well and they are working hard, but we don’t know what will happen next and pray this water search will turn up something. As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else.  Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee.

For now, waiting on Dave to get home and will watch the news or wait on that phone call to see what will happen next. It’s been a long two and a half years and never dreamed this much time would go by with no answers. Thanks to all of you for your continued support and for hanging in there with us. Thank you Debbie for coming to Meridian to hang out with the girls, Matt and me. I was a nervous wreck and glad you were able to make time for us this weekend. Brooke just got in from a playdate and was upset she didn’t get to say goodbye Sad I don’t think she realized you would be gone before she got home.

The boat should be in Aruba depending on the weather between Thurs and Saturday. Will keep you updated.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 03:42:15 PM
Topic: MIP6 and REALITY - are they part of the disinformation team?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1896.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2009, 03:59:47 PM
Minutes filed from hearing 3/26/09 in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case:  ::MonkeyCool::


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/K2DrPhil32609a-1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/K2DrPhil32609b-1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/K2DrPhil32609c-1.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2009, 04:01:01 PM
I'm not a legal person but looks to me like the Kalpoes were DENIED   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: LilPuma on March 28, 2009, 04:08:16 PM
Hello strangers!  Thanks for the update on the Kalpoes, Klaas.   Other than their Motion to Compel for Security Consultants, their requests were denied.  So the judge didn't approve their motion to compel Dr. Phil to produce something and the Kalpoe Motion to Dismiss sanctions against them or not complying with Dr. Phil's discovery requests was denied.  If I misunderstand this in some way, please let me know!  Who are Security Consultants? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 28, 2009, 04:09:14 PM
I'm not a legal person but looks to me like the Kalpoes were DENIED   ::MonkeyHaHa::
I read it (and I have been WRONG a few times!  ::MonkeyCool::) that the Kalpoes motions to compel further evidence was DENIED. I also see that the FIRST cause for Dr. Phil to ask for dismissal and sanctions was denied (the judge wants them to meet further). But a SECOND motion to dismiss is still being considered by the judge with a ruling on April 10th expected.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 04:09:52 PM
* DEFENDENTS SECOND MOTION TO DISMISS ....

Klaas ... this section does not sound good for PHIL MCGRAW.  My take is that the motions to dismiss the defamation suit for failure to comply with court orders was denied and ... the judge is encouraging the parties to settle.

Hey ... maybe I have got it all wrong.  Story of my life.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Thank you for posting this update Klaas.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: LilPuma on March 28, 2009, 04:10:17 PM
Read it again and the Judge also denied the Kalpoe motion to get more info from CBS. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: LilPuma on March 28, 2009, 04:11:39 PM
* DEFENDENTS SECOND MOTION TO DISMISS ....

Klaas ... this section does not sound good for PHIL MCGRAW.  My take is that the motions to dismiss the defamation suit for failure to comply with court orders was denied and ... the judge is encouraging the parties to settle.

Hey ... maybe I have got it all wrong.  Story of my life.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Thank you for posting this update Klaas.

Janet



This was a motion by the Kalpoes, who would not ask for the case to be dismissed.  So it must be for the sanctions imposed by the Kalpoe's failure to comply with court orders. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: LilPuma on March 28, 2009, 04:14:55 PM
Oops!  Wish I could edit my two posts.  I read it wrong, Tamikosmom.  The DEFENDANT's (Dr. Phil's) motion to dismiss and asking for sanctions against the Kalpoes (PLAINTIFF's) was denied.  This is bad for Dr. Phil. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 28, 2009, 04:16:10 PM
Read it again and the Judge also denied the Kalpoe motion to get more info from CBS. 

The kalpoes filed against cbs & dr. phil, shouldn't they have come into this the information they needed to file the suit? Guess what I am saying isn't it up to the Kalpoes to have that information before they file suit or it can be dismissed as a frivolous lawsuit?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2009, 04:17:03 PM
Lilpuma - I read it the same way you do.  I look at this as a good indication even though it's not over yet. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: LilPuma on March 28, 2009, 04:18:48 PM
Read it again and the Judge also denied the Kalpoe motion to get more info from CBS. 

The kalpoes filed against cbs & dr. phil, shouldn't they have come into this the information they needed to file the suit? Guess what I am saying isn't it up to the Kalpoes to have that information before they file suit or it can be dismissed as a frivolous lawsuit?

In any lawsuit, there are documents and information that the parties cannot legally obtain without a court order.  So the case is filed and then the parties file Discovery Requests to obtain that information.  For example, you may need the telephone records of the person you are suing.  The phone company will not give them to you without a court order.  So  your attorney would file a discovery request to get them via court order. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2009, 04:21:10 PM
Looks like a partial to me

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/kdrphil.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: LilPuma on March 28, 2009, 04:21:46 PM
Lilpuma - I read it the same way you do.  I look at this as a good indication even though it's not over yet. 

I had hoped some info about the case would come out of this bogus lawsuit.  Even if that never happens, I want the Kalpoes to hang their heads in shame along with their attorneys and anyone paying their expenses, as the case is dismissed without those thugs getting a dime. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 28, 2009, 04:22:17 PM
Read it again and the Judge also denied the Kalpoe motion to get more info from CBS. 

The kalpoes filed against cbs & dr. phil, shouldn't they have come into this the information they needed to file the suit? Guess what I am saying isn't it up to the Kalpoes to have that information before they file suit or it can be dismissed as a frivolous lawsuit?

In any lawsuit, there are documents and information that the parties cannot legally obtain without a court order.  So the case is filed and then the parties file Discovery Requests to obtain that information.  For example, you may need the telephone records of the person you are suing.  The phone company will not give them to you without a court order.  So  your attorney would file a discovery request to get them via court order. 



thanks, that makes sense. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: LilPuma on March 28, 2009, 04:24:23 PM
Sorry I can't stick around, but glad to hear this case is not dead in the (pond) water and Dr. Phil is prevailing. 

I can only hope someone puts some GHB in Joran's drink tonight as he parties in Thailand. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2009, 04:38:37 PM
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4032&Itemid=1

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Papiamentu translation:

sacando water contamina of dam of monserat for facilita buskeda for curpa of natalee holloway

saturday, 28 march 2009

oranjestad—algun inhabitant of north do not nothing contento cu is sacando water of the dam of monserat for so can busca the curpa of natalee holloway. comentarionan cu good morning aruba owing to ricibi is cu not have one indicacion earnest cu berdad the curpa is throw eyden, specialmente for motibo cu had much time cu the dam was seco y not owing to achieve nothing, besides cu water of yobida acumula in the dam is bay perdi. sinembargo, is deal here of water cu do not serve for usage, neither for wet kill. santa rose, cu have maneho of the damnan for his cuenta owing to confirma cu by cu owing to work casnan all rond of the dam, practicamente owing to crea one situation ahygienico in the dam cu all consequencia negative. the water is totalmente contamina y under none circumstancia can permiti his usage, is the informe cu owing to achieve of santa rose. for such motibo also autoridadnan owing to achieve prudente for let saca the water, y so permiti the buskeda at the supuesto curpa. have to tell cu the buskeda is owing to base of peticion of the father of natalee holloway, esta dave holloway, that owing to ask fred golba for come aruba (pa of 9 biaha) y organiza the buskeda cu have to last 10 day. the motibo is the declaracion of one witness, cu live in the area, y will owing to see joran van der sloot at mud, cu one zapato in hand. joran will was together cu his father in the jeep suzuki cora. the witness here owing to happen the so calling polygraph test, for see if the is lie or not. the dam is stay one some panort of the ruta cu joran will have to did take hour cu past owing to come for of beach for his cas, the night cu natalee holloway owing to desaparece. yamativo of the desaroyo new is cu tim miller of texas equu search owing to critica golba of is crea problem for his organizacion, cu have intencion of go back aruba y efectua one buskeda big in lama again. is deal of one buskeda cu have one costo enormous, of 1.6 miyon dollar. according miller, fred golba owing to arrive aruba have permission of autoridadnan here y owing to crea iritacion. the fundado of texas equu search have fright cu for motibo of iritacionnan so, autoridadnan at aruba will can stroba another intentonan for busca the curpa of holloway. sinembargo, good morning aruba owing to compronde cu not have none iritacion among autoridadnan at aruba y fred golba, y is cooperando cu the buskeda here. comentarionan cu we owing to ricibi is show cu the two buskedanan here, esta of texas equu search y of golba is stop far of another. is deal here of two teoria completamente various, y the question is, cua of the teorianan here will follow in the pelicula of natalee holloway cu will happen at lifetime, day 19 of april proximo. as is conoci, beth twitty owing to let know cu the not was at height of the buskeda of golba at aruba. all the time, golba owing to achieve colaboracion of instancianan for pomp the water, for so the can bay “coba in mud,” determina for achieve the curpa of natalee holloway. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 04:39:14 PM
The following quote is the section that does not seem good to me.  Somehow the Kalpoes can refuse to comply time and time and time again with the court's order to produce evidence and ... still the judge will not grant the motion by McGraw's attorneys to dismiss the defamation lawsuit.  My take is the judge is attempting to get the McGraw's attorneys to back down.

Something tells me the McGraw's representative are going to be  backed into a corners and ... there will be no choice but to settle with the Kalpoes or proceed without requested documents.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Aruba wins again!!

Janet

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* DEFENDANT - SECOND MOTION TO DISMISS AND REQUEST FOR TERMINIATING SANCTIONS FOR PLAINTIFF’S WILLFULL FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH COURT ORDERS.

The motion is called for hearing and is denied except for the following issue: SCS Request for Production.  The parties are ordered to meet to confur and attempt to resolve to issue.



JOHN Q. KELLY

Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007


KELLY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 28, 2009, 04:51:45 PM
The following quote is the section that does not seem good to me.  Somehow the Kalpoes can refuse to comply time and time and time again with the court's order to produce evidence and ... still the judge will not grant the motion by McGraw's attorneys to dismiss the defamation lawsuit.  My take is the judge is attempting to get the McGraw's attorneys to back down.

Something tells me the McGraw's representative are going to be  backed into a corners and ... there will be no choice but to settle with the Kalpoes or proceed without requested documents.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Aruba wins again!!



Janet

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* DEFENDANT - SECOND MOTION TO DISMISS AND REQUEST FOR TERMINIATING SANCTIONS FOR PLAINTIFF’S WILLFULL FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH COURT ORDERS.

The motion is called for hearing and is denied except for the following issue: SCS Request for Production.  The parties are ordered to meet to confur and attempt to resolve to issue.



JOHN Q. KELLY

Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007


KELLY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html


I don't think so Janet.

I think that the Kalpoes had filed a motion to make Dr. Phil and Skeeter's company produce some more
evidence.  That was denied.

Dr. Phil had filed a motion to dismiss the case.  A ruling on that issue will be handed down on 4/10/2009.

I think the judge would like them to decide what information they can do without.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 04:59:38 PM

According to Jamie Skeeters, the FBI was afforded possession of the hard drive that his interview with Deepak Kalpoe was recorded directly into.  Logic dictates that an analysis of the hard drive by the FBI laboratories should reveal if a manipulated tape was heard by the viewing audience of Phil McGraw.

Is this not what the single issue that is behind the Kalpoe’s lawsuit against Phil McGraw?

What am I not getting?

Janet
_______

THE HARD DRIVE

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Oct. 12th
updated 8:04 p.m. PT, Wed., Oct. 12, 2005


COSBY: All of the tapes or just part of the tapes?

SKEETERS: I turned everything I had over to the FBI, yes.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9680121/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Oct. 12th
updated 8:04 p.m. PT, Wed., Oct. 12, 2005


SKEETERS: Well, see, that‘s the big issue here, Rita. I handed these tapes over to a very reliable company—it‘s called the FBI—a week or two ago. I‘m from the old school. I don‘t bring these things out in the public. You keep the integrity and the credibility of the evidence, and I can‘t think of anybody more credible than the FBI.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9680121/


'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 10th
updated 9:00 a.m. PT, Tues., Oct. 11, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  The FBI has the taped evidence.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9662347/


Tale of the Tape Thursday
December 01, 2005


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN:  Dr. Phil and his staff stand by the tape they aired and claim Deepak admitted — and not denied — to having sex with Natalee. A representative for the "Dr. Phil" show specifically said that the show 1) Did not manipulate the Deepak tape in any way; 2) Did not alter what Deepak said in any way and 3) That they would give us [today] the tape they worked from so that we could inspect it to verify what they were claiming …

The representative also said the show stands by its position that Deepak said on tape, "You would be surprised how simple it was...." The implication of that quote is that Deepak had sex with Natalee.

We are also curious what the FBI has to say about the content of this interview. I was told by Jamie Skeeters on the phone the other night that he originally "taped" this interview directly to his computer hard drive and that he gave the hard drive to the FBI. Of course this hard drive — the "original" — is what will tell us exactly what was said or not said  — provided it can be adequately enhanced and analyzed. We don't have access to that hard drive so even after evaluating all the tapes and CD's given us, there could still remain in my mind some question.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Nov. 30th
updated 9:10 a.m. PT, Thurs., Dec. 1, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER: You know, Rita, when they use the word “manipulated,” they really need to use the word “edited.” And the tape that they‘re saying was manipulated was the one that was shown on Dr. Phil, it was edited. It was edited for television. You can‘t get a 20-second or a 6-second sound bite out of two-and-a-half hours. And you know, yes, Deepak did respond to Jamie‘s question that they all had sex with her. And he even (INAUDIBLE) You‘d be surprised how simple it was that night.

RITA COSBY, HOST:  So there was nothing taken out of context, as they‘re even suggesting?

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: No, not that I could see, Rita. But you know, I know that Jamie Skeeters will have to give the information on the tapes, but I do stand by him and his validity on the tapes, Rita.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/


'The Abrams Report' for Oct. 7th
updated 6:07 p.m. PT, Sun., Oct. 9, 2005


DAN ABRAMS, HOST: Jamie Skeeters, let‘s be clear, he knew he was being taped or not?

JAMIE SKEETERS, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Yes, I have that on tape. I have it witnessed by another former FBI and Deepak himself and another citizen of Aruba.

ABRAMS: OK. You‘re saying that yes, you believe he did know he was being taped?

SKEETERS: I have that on tape ...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9646352/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Nov. 30th
updated 9:10 a.m. PT, Thurs., Dec. 1, 2005


DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S FATHER: I listened to all of it this afternoon.

RITA COSBY, HOST:  Was anything doctored, anything manipulated? What I mean is, anything taken out of context?

HOLLOWAY: No, I don‘t believe so. I think what Dr. Phil‘s show did
was edited the tape. From what I can understand, you know, this tape has - the air-conditioner came on about the time Deepak walked in the room, so you‘ve got a lot of snow in there. But essentially, from what I understand, he said—there was kind of a stutter after Jamie asked the question, and that stuttering part I believe was taken out of the tape. And then he said, No, we did. You‘d be surprised how easy it was that night.

COSBY: Do you believe, based on everything you‘ve heard...

HOLLOWAY: I think what the Aruban...

COSBY: Do you believe he‘s saying that they did have sex with her? Is that what you believe?

HOLLOWAY: Oh, yes. Absolutely. You can‘t have a negative and then turn around and then support it with a positive. I mean, they‘ve got to put the whole sentence together for it to make sense. If they said, No, we didn‘t, and then turn around and said, You wouldn‘t believe how simple it was, that just—that just doesn‘t make sense.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/


'The Abrams Report' for Dec. 1st
updated 6:00 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005


DAN ABRAMS, HOST: All right. Let me do this. I‘m going to play now in order all three. I‘m going to play Jamie Skeeters‘ version—again, that‘s the actual one we got. We went to Jamie Skeeters‘ office and recorded exactly what he had on his hard drive. Then I want to play the version that Arlene has sent to us.

Again, I‘m going to do this without words on the screen this time so you all can listen and decide for yourselves and then we‘re going to play the “Dr. Phil” version. All right, so let‘s start with the—this is the Jamie Skeeters‘ version. This is what actually came from the hard drive. Here it is.

(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE)

JAMIE SKEETERS, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Nobody told her that you can‘t (EXPLETIVE DELETED). You know? I mean and I‘m sure she had sex with all of you.

KALPOE: Yes, she did. You‘d be surprised how simple it was that night.

(END AUDIOTAPE)

ABRAMS: Boy that sure sounds like she did and you wouldn‘t—it was really easy. All right. Now, this is the version that we got from Arlene in Aruba and I have to tell you, it sounds different.

(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE)

SKEETERS: Nobody told her that you can‘t (EXPLETIVE DELETED). You know? I mean and I‘m sure she had sex with all of you.

KALPOE: No, she didn‘t. You would be surprised how simple it was that night.

(END AUDIOTAPE)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10294603/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN STRATEGIC COMM. TASK FORCE: Well, it's not what I think, it is what the Dutch forensic institute thinks and what we have also requested the FBI to confirm, which confirmation we haven't received yet. However, the NFI had four investigators separately look at these tapes, and they say that the Dr. Phil show tapes were edited for content in the following order. Just before the word “she,” there was a cut. And just after the word “did,” there was a cut. And then they compared it to the CD-ROM that Mr. Skeeters sent the officials, and you have seen that piece, and it says, “No, she didn't.” And he shakes his head while doing—while saying that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 05:02:26 PM
The following quote is the section that does not seem good to me.  Somehow the Kalpoes can refuse to comply time and time and time again with the court's order to produce evidence and ... still the judge will not grant the motion by McGraw's attorneys to dismiss the defamation lawsuit.  My take is the judge is attempting to get the McGraw's attorneys to back down.

Something tells me the McGraw's representative are going to be  backed into a corners and ... there will be no choice but to settle with the Kalpoes or proceed without requested documents.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Aruba wins again!!



Janet

++++++

* DEFENDANT - SECOND MOTION TO DISMISS AND REQUEST FOR TERMINIATING SANCTIONS FOR PLAINTIFF’S WILLFULL FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH COURT ORDERS.

The motion is called for hearing and is denied except for the following issue: SCS Request for Production.  The parties are ordered to meet to confur and attempt to resolve to issue.



JOHN Q. KELLY

Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007


KELLY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html


I don't think so Janet.

I think that the Kalpoes had filed a motion to make Dr. Phil and Skeeter's company produce some more
evidence.  That was denied.

Dr. Phil had filed a motion to dismiss the case.  A ruling on that issue will be handed down on 4/10/2009.

I think the judge would like them to decide what information they can do without.


Thanks Magnolia.

My hinky meter is making me shiver.  Please knit me another sweater lickity split.  My other two are in the wash.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::



Janet

edit: Because it's the last time Janet will ever........  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 05:07:05 PM
Three more kitchen cupboards to go in my clean sweep.  One cupboard an hour will bring me up to dinner time.

If my hubby does not fall from the ladder and break a leg or  something ... dinner at the Olive Garden will be where it is at.  When I consider all that money hubby is saving by washing the outside of the windows himself and ... not hiring somebody ...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Later

Janet

edit: Because it's Janet and I wub her.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2009, 05:08:57 PM
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4032&Itemid=1

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03282009Bondia_SM1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

sacando water contamina of dam of monserat for facilita buskeda for curpa of natalee holloway

saturday, 28 march 2009

oranjestad—algun inhabitant of north do not nothing contento cu is sacando water of the dam of monserat for so can busca the curpa of natalee holloway. comentarionan cu good morning aruba owing to ricibi is cu not have one indicacion earnest cu berdad the curpa is throw eyden, specialmente for motibo cu had much time cu the dam was seco y not owing to achieve nothing, besides cu water of yobida acumula in the dam is bay perdi. sinembargo, is deal here of water cu do not serve for usage, neither for wet kill. santa rose, cu have maneho of the damnan for his cuenta owing to confirma cu by cu owing to work casnan all rond of the dam, practicamente owing to crea one situation ahygienico in the dam cu all consequencia negative. the water is totalmente contamina y under none circumstancia can permiti his usage, is the informe cu owing to achieve of santa rose. for such motibo also autoridadnan owing to achieve prudente for let saca the water, y so permiti the buskeda at the supuesto curpa. have to tell cu the buskeda is owing to base of peticion of the father of natalee holloway, esta dave holloway, that owing to ask fred golba for come aruba (pa of 9 biaha) y organiza the buskeda cu have to last 10 day. the motibo is the declaracion of one witness, cu live in the area, y will owing to see joran van der sloot at mud, cu one zapato in hand. joran will was together cu his father in the jeep suzuki cora. the witness here owing to happen the so calling polygraph test, for see if the is lie or not. the dam is stay one some panort of the ruta cu joran will have to did take hour cu past owing to come for of beach for his cas, the night cu natalee holloway owing to desaparece. yamativo of the desaroyo new is cu tim miller of texas equu search owing to critica golba of is crea problem for his organizacion, cu have intencion of go back aruba y efectua one buskeda big in lama again. is deal of one buskeda cu have one costo enormous, of 1.6 miyon dollar. according miller, fred golba owing to arrive aruba have permission of autoridadnan here y owing to crea iritacion. the fundado of texas equu search have fright cu for motibo of iritacionnan so, autoridadnan at aruba will can stroba another intentonan for busca the curpa of holloway. sinembargo, good morning aruba owing to compronde cu not have none iritacion among autoridadnan at aruba y fred golba, y is cooperando cu the buskeda here. comentarionan cu we owing to ricibi is show cu the two buskedanan here, esta of texas equu search y of golba is stop far of another. is deal here of two teoria completamente various, y the question is, cua of the teorianan here will follow in the pelicula of natalee holloway cu will happen at lifetime, day 19 of april proximo. as is conoci, beth twitty owing to let know cu the not was at height of the buskeda of golba at aruba. all the time, golba owing to achieve colaboracion of instancianan for pomp the water, for so the can bay “coba in mud,” determina for achieve the curpa of natalee holloway. come across

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03282009Bondia_6a_SM1-2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 28, 2009, 05:34:15 PM
::MonkeyEek:: Now I'm confused by the article oldiebg posted, do you have a direct link to it?

Wasn't it stated that Golba could not speak to the media for the next two weeks?

Sorry for the confusion. The title of the article IS the link.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 28, 2009, 05:38:44 PM
Three more kitchen cupboards to go in my clean sweep.  One cupboard an hour will bring me up to dinner time.

If my hubby does not fall from the ladder and break a leg or  something ... dinner at the Olive Garden will be were it is at.  When I consider all that money hubby is saving by washing the outside of the windows himself and ... not hiring somebody ...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Later

Janet

You can have an appetizier and dessert.   ::MonkeyCool::

I promised you a sweater yesterday when you were pouting.  I am almost done with it.
You can wear it tonight to the Olive Garden. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 28, 2009, 05:43:56 PM
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4032&Itemid=1

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03282009Bondia_SM1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

sacando water contamina of dam of monserat for facilita buskeda for curpa of natalee holloway

saturday, 28 march 2009

oranjestad—algun inhabitant of north do not nothing contento cu is sacando water of the dam of monserat for so can busca the curpa of natalee holloway. comentarionan cu good morning aruba owing to ricibi is cu not have one indicacion earnest cu berdad the curpa is throw eyden, specialmente for motibo cu had much time cu the dam was seco y not owing to achieve nothing, besides cu water of yobida acumula in the dam is bay perdi. sinembargo, is deal here of water cu do not serve for usage, neither for wet kill. santa rose, cu have maneho of the damnan for his cuenta owing to confirma cu by cu owing to work casnan all rond of the dam, practicamente owing to crea one situation ahygienico in the dam cu all consequencia negative. the water is totalmente contamina y under none circumstancia can permiti his usage, is the informe cu owing to achieve of santa rose. for such motibo also autoridadnan owing to achieve prudente for let saca the water, y so permiti the buskeda at the supuesto curpa. have to tell cu the buskeda is owing to base of peticion of the father of natalee holloway, esta dave holloway, that owing to ask fred golba for come aruba (pa of 9 biaha) y organiza the buskeda cu have to last 10 day. the motibo is the declaracion of one witness, cu live in the area, y will owing to see joran van der sloot at mud, cu one zapato in hand. joran will was together cu his father in the jeep suzuki cora. the witness here owing to happen the so calling polygraph test, for see if the is lie or not. the dam is stay one some panort of the ruta cu joran will have to did take hour cu past owing to come for of beach for his cas, the night cu natalee holloway owing to desaparece. yamativo of the desaroyo new is cu tim miller of texas equu search owing to critica golba of is crea problem for his organizacion, cu have intencion of go back aruba y efectua one buskeda big in lama again. is deal of one buskeda cu have one costo enormous, of 1.6 miyon dollar. according miller, fred golba owing to arrive aruba have permission of autoridadnan here y owing to crea iritacion. the fundado of texas equu search have fright cu for motibo of iritacionnan so, autoridadnan at aruba will can stroba another intentonan for busca the curpa of holloway. sinembargo, good morning aruba owing to compronde cu not have none iritacion among autoridadnan at aruba y fred golba, y is cooperando cu the buskeda here. comentarionan cu we owing to ricibi is show cu the two buskedanan here, esta of texas equu search y of golba is stop far of another. is deal here of two teoria completamente various, y the question is, cua of the teorianan here will follow in the pelicula of natalee holloway cu will happen at lifetime, day 19 of april proximo. as is conoci, beth twitty owing to let know cu the not was at height of the buskeda of golba at aruba. all the time, golba owing to achieve colaboracion of instancianan for pomp the water, for so the can bay “coba in mud,” determina for achieve the curpa of natalee holloway. come across

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03282009Bondia_6a_SM1-2.jpg)


It sounds like BonDia and Jennifer Hale are using the same source for information.  Could that source be RenHo?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2009, 06:17:17 PM
I think you could be right about that Magnolia.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 28, 2009, 06:19:15 PM
Mags, I am very sure Julie is running this show with the pictures and updates.  She has the exclusive as this guy with his dog have been told to not talk to reporters so Renho can get all the credit.

Guess I will sign off for a while, we have tornado warnings just to west of here and it's not looking good outside.  Better be preparing my little closet in the middle of the house.  30 miles from here they just had 2 1/2" hale.  Nothing to fool around with.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 28, 2009, 06:20:01 PM
I think you could be right about that Magnolia.

Jennifer Hale just did a report on the NBC13 News and said her source was an Aruban journalist.

She said that the pond is now empty, so the search can continue.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 06:22:09 PM
Mags, I am very sure Julie is running this show with the pictures and updates.  She has the exclusive as this guy with his dog have been told to not talk to reporters so Renho can get all the credit.

Guess I will sign off for a while, we have tornado warnings just to west of here and it's not looking good outside.  Better be preparing my little closet in the middle of the house.  30 miles from here they just had 2 1/2" hale.  Nothing to fool around with.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Take care Blue Moon.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 28, 2009, 06:23:09 PM
Mags, I am very sure Julie is running this show with the pictures and updates.  She has the exclusive as this guy with his dog have been told to not talk to reporters so Renho can get all the credit.

Guess I will sign off for a while, we have tornado warnings just to west of here and it's not looking good outside.  Better be preparing my little closet in the middle of the house.  30 miles from here they just had 2 1/2" hale.  Nothing to fool around with.

Stay safe, Blue Moon.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2009, 06:25:06 PM
Mags, I am very sure Julie is running this show with the pictures and updates.  She has the exclusive as this guy with his dog have been told to not talk to reporters so Renho can get all the credit.

Guess I will sign off for a while, we have tornado warnings just to west of here and it's not looking good outside.  Better be preparing my little closet in the middle of the house.  30 miles from here they just had 2 1/2" hale.  Nothing to fool around with.

Stay safe Blue Moon! 

http://www.abc40tv.com/

Reporter Kathy Reynolds is in Aruba and states on video here that Fred Golba has agreed to continue to speak exclusively to her.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 06:31:17 PM
Three more kitchen cupboards to go in my clean sweep.  One cupboard an hour will bring me up to dinner time.

If my hubby does not fall from the ladder and break a leg or  something ... dinner at the Olive Garden will be were it is at.  When I consider all that money hubby is saving by washing the outside of the windows himself and ... not hiring somebody ...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Later

Janet

You can have an appetizier and dessert.   ::MonkeyCool::

I promised you a sweater yesterday when you were pouting.  I am almost done with it.
You can wear it tonight to the Olive Garden. ::MonkeyHaHa::

  ::cartwheel::

I love the Olive Garden's soup and salad special ... all you can eat.  I wish I had the appetite I used to.  One large bowl of Olive Garden's thick  Minestrone soup is a meal within itself.

Hubby likes the scallop, shrimp and mushroom Linguine in white sauce.

The bread is soooo good.

Hubby still does not know we are going out to dinner.  I can hear him right now putting away the ladder and cleaning stuff.  I will surprise him when he comes in.  Hey ... he has to get cleaned up anyways.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Two more cupboards to go.  I think I will put one off until tomorrow.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 28, 2009, 06:33:07 PM
Mags, I am very sure Julie is running this show with the pictures and updates.  She has the exclusive as this guy with his dog have been told to not talk to reporters so Renho can get all the credit.

Guess I will sign off for a while, we have tornado warnings just to west of here and it's not looking good outside.  Better be preparing my little closet in the middle of the house.  30 miles from here they just had 2 1/2" hale.  Nothing to fool around with.

Stay safe Blue Moon! 

http://www.abc40tv.com/


Reporter Kathy Reynolds is in Aruba and states on video here that Fred Golba has agreed to continue to speak exclusively to her.


I have always thought that one reason Julia turned on Beth with such venom was because
Julia wanted an exclusive on the story and when Greta arrived on the island, Greta and Beth
hit it off and Julia was left holding the bag sotospeak.

Edit:  Fixed quote.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 06:33:31 PM
I think you could be right about that Magnolia.

Jennifer Hale just did a report on the NBC13 News and said her source was an Aruban journalist.

She said that the pond is now empty, so the search can continue.


Her source for the information on the new search?  That is NOT what she has been telling me.  Tom Allen also said it was Tim Miller and Miller all the way.

I wonder how much she got from Tim Miller and how much from Julia.  Does Julia have the scoop on the $1.5 million collected for the new search I wonder and if so who got that?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 06:34:34 PM
Mags, I am very sure Julie is running this show with the pictures and updates.  She has the exclusive as this guy with his dog have been told to not talk to reporters so Renho can get all the credit.

Guess I will sign off for a while, we have tornado warnings just to west of here and it's not looking good outside.  Better be preparing my little closet in the middle of the house.  30 miles from here they just had 2 1/2" hale.  Nothing to fool around with.

Stay safe Blue Moon! 

http://www.abc40tv.com/

Reporter Kathy Reynolds is in Aruba and states on video here that Fred Golba has agreed to continue to speak exclusively to her.

Thanks texasmom.

So many mixed messages.

Janet

++++++


Natalee Holloway Dad: Pond Search May Take 2 Weeks
Tuesday, March 24, 2009
 

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  The father of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway said Monday that a U.S. private investigator has begun scouring a pond in Aruba for signs of his daughter and the search may take up to two weeks.

Dave Holloway said the Aruba Prosecutors' Office has asked the investigator, Fred Golba of Chicopee, Massachusetts, to not speak to reporters during his search for evidence into Natalee Holloway's May 2005 disappearance.

Holloway said the tracker dog specialist will comply with the request.

Golba will be searching the pond for "10 days to two weeks maximum" in search of any answers that have eluded the family, Holloway said from his home in Meridian, Mississippi.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510273,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 28, 2009, 06:39:16 PM
I think you could be right about that Magnolia.

Jennifer Hale just did a report on the NBC13 News and said her source was an Aruban journalist.

She said that the pond is now empty, so the search can continue.


Her source for the information on the new search?  That is NOT what she has been telling me.  Tom Allen also said it was Tim Miller and Miller all the way.

I wonder how much she got from Tim Miller and how much from Julia.  Does Julia have the scoop on the $1.5 million collected for the new search I wonder and if so who got that?



It is not logical, as Janet wuld say, that Tim Miller would have issued his statement of denial
if he had said those things.  He would have just kept his mouth shut. IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2009, 06:41:06 PM
I think you could be right about that Magnolia.

Jennifer Hale just did a report on the NBC13 News and said her source was an Aruban journalist.

She said that the pond is now empty, so the search can continue.


Her source for the information on the new search?  That is NOT what she has been telling me.  Tom Allen also said it was Tim Miller and Miller all the way.

I wonder how much she got from Tim Miller and how much from Julia.  Does Julia have the scoop on the $1.5 million collected for the new search I wonder and if so who got that?



It is not logical, as Janet wuld say, that Tim Miller would have issued his statement of denial
if he had said those things.  He would have just kept his mouth shut. IMO

I agree Magnolia. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 06:42:10 PM
Mags, I am very sure Julie is running this show with the pictures and updates.  She has the exclusive as this guy with his dog have been told to not talk to reporters so Renho can get all the credit.

Guess I will sign off for a while, we have tornado warnings just to west of here and it's not looking good outside.  Better be preparing my little closet in the middle of the house.  30 miles from here they just had 2 1/2" hale.  Nothing to fool around with.

Stay safe Blue Moon! 

http://www.abc40tv.com/


Reporter Kathy Reynolds is in Aruba and states on video here that Fred Golba has agreed to continue to speak exclusively to her.


I have always thought that one reason Julia turned on Beth with such venom was because
Julia wanted an exclusive on the story and when Greta arrived on the island, Greta and Beth
hit it off and Julia was left holding the bag sotospeak.

Edit:  Fixed quote.



But--but. . . .Fred promised OM and ALE that he would not speak to any media.

And why would he give anybody an exclusive?

Fred Goldba seems to fit right in with Aruba.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 28, 2009, 06:44:45 PM
Yes, texasmom, seems the station is claiming they reported this 1st online and on air in promo video on left side of screen, here:

http://www.abc40tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8374911&nav=menu1460_8

Oh, and Fred has more confidence in this pond, etc. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 06:46:33 PM
I think you could be right about that Magnolia.

Jennifer Hale just did a report on the NBC13 News and said her source was an Aruban journalist.

She said that the pond is now empty, so the search can continue.


Her source for the information on the new search?  That is NOT what she has been telling me.  Tom Allen also said it was Tim Miller and Miller all the way.

I wonder how much she got from Tim Miller and how much from Julia.  Does Julia have the scoop on the $1.5 million collected for the new search I wonder and if so who got that?



I would like to get to the bottom of this too.  Apparently ... Jen Hale claims she quoted Tim Miller correctly ... she has it all on tape.

However ... the article quoting Tim Miller has been removed from the NBC13 website.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

_______

Natalee Holloway update: potential problems for search parties bound for Aruba

By Jen Hale
Reporter and weekend anchor
Published: March 25, 2009


Tensions are building between two search parties involved in the search for missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway.

Right now, private investigator Fred Golba is currently in Aruba, searching a retention pond.

Tim Miller and Texas EquuSearch are planning a deep water search on the ocean floor in the next few months.

They’ve raised $1.5 million dollars to go back to Aruba to finish a search that began last March, then stalled when funding ran out.

Underwater rovers will inspect suspicious containers on the ocean bottom that could hold Natalee’s remains.

“We still have 140 plus targets over there. We’re going to be bringing in a 360 ft boat from Trinidad,“ says Miller.  

http://www.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/article/natalee_holloway_update_potential_problems_for_search_parties_bound_for_aru/65265/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 06:49:30 PM
I think you could be right about that Magnolia.

Jennifer Hale just did a report on the NBC13 News and said her source was an Aruban journalist.

She said that the pond is now empty, so the search can continue.


Her source for the information on the new search?  That is NOT what she has been telling me.  Tom Allen also said it was Tim Miller and Miller all the way.

I wonder how much she got from Tim Miller and how much from Julia.  Does Julia have the scoop on the $1.5 million collected for the new search I wonder and if so who got that?



Anna ... who is Tom Allen?

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 06:53:22 PM
Jen Hale did not answer my second email suggesting that perhaps she had confused file tape from the past with current information.  I did  send her TES statement of denial.

Maybe MyTime will call her again?  Maybe I will send her another email stating my fervent hope that her source is not Aruban journalist Julia Renfro who is known for her animosity toward Beth Holloway.


I wonder what Fred Goldba finds so inspiring about this drainage levee, the sandal that could not be Natalee's , somebody's underwear or the old seat covers none of which were there when searched last year for Jose Tromp and so unlikely to have any connection to anything but garbage.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 06:56:57 PM
I think you could be right about that Magnolia.

Jennifer Hale just did a report on the NBC13 News and said her source was an Aruban journalist.

She said that the pond is now empty, so the search can continue.


Her source for the information on the new search?  That is NOT what she has been telling me.  Tom Allen also said it was Tim Miller and Miller all the way.

I wonder how much she got from Tim Miller and how much from Julia.  Does Julia have the scoop on the $1.5 million collected for the new search I wonder and if so who got that?



Anna ... who is Tom Allen?

Thanks

Janet


It is my understanding that he is the boss of the newsroom.  He said that all of this is what Miller told them in their interview Tuesday night.

I don't think so.

I think Jen Hale is saying to him that she has it all on audio but she is not telling the part that some of that audio is old.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blonde on March 28, 2009, 06:59:00 PM
Three more kitchen cupboards to go in my clean sweep.  One cupboard an hour will bring me up to dinner time.

If my hubby does not fall from the ladder and break a leg or  something ... dinner at the Olive Garden will be where it is at.  When I consider all that money hubby is saving by washing the outside of the windows himself and ... not hiring somebody ...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Later

Janet

edit: Because it's Janet and I wub her.

My Hubby is fixing my Harley and taking it for test rides, he's going way too fast.
Then dinner is home made meatloaf .
 My dinner was the rest of my birthday cake I will ship the meatloaf. 
::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 06:59:03 PM
Mags, I am very sure Julie is running this show with the pictures and updates.  She has the exclusive as this guy with his dog have been told to not talk to reporters so Renho can get all the credit.

Guess I will sign off for a while, we have tornado warnings just to west of here and it's not looking good outside.  Better be preparing my little closet in the middle of the house.  30 miles from here they just had 2 1/2" hale.  Nothing to fool around with.

Stay safe Blue Moon! 

http://www.abc40tv.com/


Reporter Kathy Reynolds is in Aruba and states on video here that Fred Golba has agreed to continue to speak exclusively to her.


I have always thought that one reason Julia turned on Beth with such venom was because
Julia wanted an exclusive on the story and when Greta arrived on the island, Greta and Beth
hit it off and Julia was left holding the bag sotospeak.

Edit:  Fixed quote.



But--but. . . .Fred promised OM and ALE that he would not speak to any media.

And why would he give anybody an exclusive?

Fred Goldba seems to fit right in with Aruba.



I have a feeling that this exclusive media source a way that Aruba will have complete controll in what the media is fed.  In other words ... Fred Golba is being used by the AHATA.  Think about it.  Anything Fred says will be accepted as coming from an "American" not the "enemy".

Janet

+++++++

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 157/158


No one is breathing. Or Moving. Reporters and camera people are crying. The media hve been here more than a month, and they’ve seen firsthand what we’ve experienced. They are moved by this plea. But some of the Arubans are not. Calling their local sons “criminals” offends them. Having just heard the prosecuting attorney tell us at least one of the Kalpoes could be involved in whatever happened to my daughter. I felt the term seemed appropriate. But it led to an abrupt change in the tide of support.

… Not long after the “criminals speech,” some Arubans back off their prayer vigils for Natalee. A few protest in the streets against the barage of negative media. We’ve worn out our welcome at the Holiday Inn. And they let us know they’ve had it. The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us.


The Strategic Communications Task Force
June, 2005

Who We Are


The Strategic Communications Task Force is a working group established in Aruba to address the issues surrounding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Task Force includes representatives from AHATA (Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association), ATA (Aruba Tourism Authority), business and government leaders

"The Strategic Communications Task Force’s goal is to stay abreast of all developments in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, verify if information given is truthful and bring forward the correct facts when necessary.  The Task Force also aims to inform the public and media whenever there is information that can be shared and monitor media coverage both locally and internationally in an effort to prevent and minimize any damage to the economic wellbeing of Aruba."

http://www.aruba.com/nholloway/taskforce.htm




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 28, 2009, 06:59:31 PM
I was told that Tom Allen is the Assistant News Director at NBC 13 Birmingham.

Here is Jen Hale's email should anyone want to send her a note.

Email: jhale@wvtm.com


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 07:00:59 PM
So who got this $1.5 million in donation?  Who made this donation?  The only person I have seen quoted as talking about a new underwater search was John Silvetti in that one Dutch article.  Did he get this donation?  Obviously, TES didn't as they have had to borrow money since then, etc.  Miller says he didn't get any such donation?
Is it real?  If so did Silvetti get it?  Is he actually planning to return and search the targets Kyle Kingman said were coral and junk?  Did this come about from their being put in contact with ATA/AHATA?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 07:02:33 PM
Three more kitchen cupboards to go in my clean sweep.  One cupboard an hour will bring me up to dinner time.

If my hubby does not fall from the ladder and break a leg or  something ... dinner at the Olive Garden will be where it is at.  When I consider all that money hubby is saving by washing the outside of the windows himself and ... not hiring somebody ...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Later

Janet

edit: Because it's Janet and I wub her.

My Hubby is fixing my Harley and taking it for test rides, he's going way too fast.
Then dinner is home made meatloaf .
 My dinner was the rest of my birthday cake I will ship the meatloaf. 
::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Blonde ... when was your birthday?

Forget the meatloaf.  Join hubby and I at the Olive Garden.  Left over Birthday cake can also wait.  Birthday girls and boys get a free dessert at the Olive garden.

Hugs.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2009, 07:14:00 PM
Yes, texasmom, seems the station is claiming they reported this 1st online and on air in promo video on left side of screen, here:

http://www.abc40tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8374911&nav=menu1460_8

Oh, and Fred has more confidence in this pond, etc. 

Not sure if this video is different than the other already posted:

http://www.youtube.com/v/rEVv8jC5yAk&hl=en&fs=1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 07:17:04 PM
Thank you Klaas.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2009, 07:22:12 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gM4lWnpFfSI8U0EzxCHT8WVehRowD977AGMO0

Aruba authorities help search for Natalee Holloway
36 minutes ago

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Authorities in Aruba are helping a U.S. private investigator search a pond for signs of missing U.S. teen Natalee Holloway despite having no new leads in the case.

Firefighters are using a hose to blast mud and debris out of a pond that witnesses previously identified as a possible location for her remains. The pond was drained for the search.

Investigator Fred Golba said Saturday they are still searching and declined further comment. He was hired by Holloway's father to search the pond even though it has been scoured before.

The 18-year-old was last seen leaving a bar with Joran Van der Sloot during a 2005 high school graduation trip.

Van der Sloot has been arrested twice and released for lack of evidence.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 28, 2009, 07:24:42 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gM4lWnpFfSI8U0EzxCHT8WVehRowD977AGMO0

Aruba authorities help search for Natalee Holloway
36 minutes ago

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Authorities in Aruba are helping a U.S. private investigator search a pond for signs of missing U.S. teen Natalee Holloway despite having no new leads in the case.

Firefighters are using a hose to blast mud and debris out of a pond that witnesses previously identified as a possible location for her remains. The pond was drained for the search.

Investigator Fred Golba said Saturday they are still searching and declined further comment. He was hired by Holloway's father to search the pond even though it has been scoured before.

The 18-year-old was last seen leaving a bar with Joran Van der Sloot during a 2005 high school graduation trip.

Van der Sloot has been arrested twice and released for lack of evidence.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.


Yah I bet the Aruba Authorities are helping with the search.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 07:30:11 PM
It appears to be 3-4" of silt just as several of us have speculated.

Where is the part where Goldba puts his arm in up to the shoulder?  I want to see that part.  He wouldn't have said that just for drama, would he?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 28, 2009, 07:32:11 PM
It appears to be 3-4" of silt just as several of us have speculated.

Where is the part where Goldba puts his arm in up to the shoulder?  I want to see that part.  He wouldn't have said that just for drama, would he?



That's what I said earlier Anna, I want to see more than walking around in the mud.  I want to see him get dirty.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2009, 07:32:52 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_54537.php

Google translation:

Aruba
Free stay for travel agents
March 28, 2009, 16:10 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - Dutch travel agents have until December 15 this year, six nights free stay on the island. Tourist ATA is in line with the recently launched "Give yourself Aruba' campaign called Annual Travel Agent Month (TRAM) program adapted from my own experience so that travel agents can advise future tourists.

Participating agents need only to pay the flight. The stay in the hotels is free. Moreover, the travel agents to choose you. For this group, to the use of different hotels, they get a number of nights in the High Rise and Low Rise hotels offered. For both types of hotels can three preferences on the basis of availability is determined in which of these three options is stayed.

With the TRAM program agents thanked and rewarded for their work as an ambassador for the island of Aruba to provide said Ahata president Rob Smith. "Professional travel agents are very important for Aruba," says Myrna Jansen of ATA from. "The TRAM program is specially created for them. We would like to travel agents the opportunity to visit Aruba. In return, they can then draw from my own experience to inform tourists about the ideal holiday island. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 07:39:57 PM
The pond was drained in May, 2008.  What more could be found if it was not found then.

Janet

+++++++

Aruba authorities help search for Natalee Holloway

Last Update: 6:54 pm 


ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - Authorities in Aruba are helping a U.S. private investigator search a pond for signs of missing U.S. teen Natalee Holloway despite having no new leads in the case.

Firefighters are using a hose to blast mud and debris out of a pond that witnesses previously identified as a possible location for her remains. The pond was drained for the search.

Investigator Fred Golba said Saturday they are still searching and declined further comment. He was hired by Holloway's father to search the pond even though it has been scoured before.

The 18-year-old was last seen leaving a bar with Joran Van der Sloot during a 2005 high school graduation trip.

Van der Sloot has been arrested twice and released for lack of evidence.

http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/world/story/Aruba-authorities-help-search-for-Natalee-Holloway/7HEinoHL6UKxgOLIDSistQ.cspx


January 6, 2009
Press Anouncement

Hans Mos:


There was no indication whatsoever that Joran had been at the dam. For that reason the Police were not ordered to conduct that search. Later, people from the Persistence asked if they were allowed to conduct a search. They were told that they could go ahead if the wanted to. No results were reported. Besides that, the Monserrat dam, which had completely fallen dry by that time, was not long before that request completely searched by dozens of people, for a completely different reason. No results were reported.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/



"Pond in May 2008"
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3587/3325245748_e4ea62f579_m.jpg)





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 07:54:42 PM
I hope I am wrong but ... I tend to believe that Tim Miller is headed back to Aruba for a continued ocean search.  If you read the following carefully ... Tim just wants to distance himself from the 1.5 Million dollar that was collected.

I suspect that the 1.5 million is a direct donation to Silvetti by Aruba to continue the sham of a search to take the focus off of whatever was retrieved by the enemy from that trap.

However ... Tamikosmom cannot get beyond Kyle Kingman's own words ... words that imply that Natalee Holloway's remains could have been in the trap discovered by the Persistence ... words that imply John Silvetti afforded those remains unchallenged to the enemy who had prevented justice from prevailing for an 18 year old American citizen since May 30, 2005.

Janet

+++++++

Texas Equusearch Dispels Media Reports Concerning Natalle Holloway Case
Posted on 26. Mar, 2009 by Admin, TES in Featured Articles, Press Releases, TES News


Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch is working hard to dispel media reports concerning the Natalee Holloway case.  Reports have surfaced today that Texas EquuSearch has collected $1.5 million to continue the search for Natalee, which is entirely untrue.

Also untrue is the report that Tim was traveling to Aruba with Fred Golba.  This has not been the first time that media has printed false reports regarding TES cases, to include the Caylee Anthony case.

This is the worst year financially for Texas EquuSearch since it began.  We are struggling on a daily basis to try to meet the needs of families across the country that are begging for help.  In these tough economic times, this false, irresponsible reporting could have a very negative impact on our ability to raise funds which go to serve families of the missing” said Miller.  “When the public hear that we have raised that large amount of money to dedicate to one search, they are not going to be willing to donate to our cause of finding missing people.  We are at a point of not being able to support the families that really need us, and when something like this happens, it is just devastating”. “We would not even attempt to raise that amount of money for just one case with so many families awaiting our help.
 
<SNIPPED>

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/03/hollowaycase/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2009, 07:57:38 PM
Well ... four of us are off to the Olive Garden.  I phoneD friends and ... they shelved what they had planned to cook for dinner and ... will be joining us.

A game of whatever may follow.

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
5:00 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 28, 2009, 07:59:58 PM
Well ... four of us are off to the Olive Garden.  I phoneD friends and ... they shelved what they had planned to cook for dinner and ... will be joining us.

A game of whatever may follow.

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
5:00 PM PT

Good night Janet.  Enjoy your night out with family and friends.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2009, 08:01:51 PM
Well ... four of us are off to the Olive Garden.  I phoneD friends and ... they shelved what they had planned to cook for dinner and ... will be joining us.

A game of whatever may follow.

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
5:00 PM PT

Have a great evening Janet!  I won't say "Good Night" now, since I can't help but believe I will see you here again later tonight!

 ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 28, 2009, 08:03:23 PM
Well ... four of us are off to the Olive Garden.  I phoneD friends and ... they shelved what they had planned to cook for dinner and ... will be joining us.

A game of whatever may follow.

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
5:00 PM PT

Have a great evening Janet!  I won't say "Good Night" now, since I can't help but believe I will see you here again later tonight!

 ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

I wonder if that little one has any idea the joy she brings to Monkeys every time we see her?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 08:07:11 PM
The pond was drained in May, 2008.  What more could be found if it was not found then.

Janet

+++++++

Aruba authorities help search for Natalee Holloway

Last Update: 6:54 pm 


ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - Authorities in Aruba are helping a U.S. private investigator search a pond for signs of missing U.S. teen Natalee Holloway despite having no new leads in the case.

Firefighters are using a hose to blast mud and debris out of a pond that witnesses previously identified as a possible location for her remains. The pond was drained for the search.

Investigator Fred Golba said Saturday they are still searching and declined further comment. He was hired by Holloway's father to search the pond even though it has been scoured before.

The 18-year-old was last seen leaving a bar with Joran Van der Sloot during a 2005 high school graduation trip.

Van der Sloot has been arrested twice and released for lack of evidence.

http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/world/story/Aruba-authorities-help-search-for-Natalee-Holloway/7HEinoHL6UKxgOLIDSistQ.cspx


January 6, 2009
Press Announcement

Hans Mos:


There was no indication whatsoever that Joran had been at the dam. For that reason the Police were not ordered to conduct that search. Later, people from the Persistence asked if they were allowed to conduct a search. They were told that they could go ahead if the wanted to. No results were reported. Besides that, the Monserrat dam, which had completely fallen dry by that time, was not long before that request completely searched by dozens of people, for a completely different reason. No results were reported.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/



"Pond in May 2008"
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3587/3325245748_e4ea62f579_m.jpg)





In May 2008, the pond had just dried up and didn't even have to be drained.  It does that when there is no rain for a couple of months because it is more of a storm sewer than a permanent pond.

All the locals would know it would be dry part of the year.  Certainly Joran who had used the soccer field frequently would know this and so I don't think he would try to conceal anything in a pond that he knew would dry up at any time.  And if it was only for temporary concealment, then why look now almost five years later?

Nancy Grace is a re-run on the weekends, isn't she?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on March 28, 2009, 08:17:32 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gM4lWnpFfSI8U0EzxCHT8WVehRowD977AGMO0

Aruba authorities help search for Natalee Holloway
36 minutes ago

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Authorities in Aruba are helping a U.S. private investigator search a pond for signs of missing U.S. teen Natalee Holloway despite having no new leads in the case.

Firefighters are using a hose to blast mud and debris out of a pond that witnesses previously identified as a possible location for her remains. The pond was drained for the search.

Investigator Fred Golba said Saturday they are still searching and declined further comment. He was hired by Holloway's father to search the pond even though it has been scoured before.

The 18-year-old was last seen leaving a bar with Joran Van der Sloot during a 2005 high school graduation trip.

Van der Sloot has been arrested twice and released for lack of evidence.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.


So helpful are those Aruban authorities when there is probably nothing there (in the pond) to find.

If the Persistence were ever to come back, bet they would help with that as well. Everything has already been retrieved, packaged in zip lock baggies, and stored in the "confidential" file.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 28, 2009, 08:18:27 PM
Yes Anna Nancy G. is a rerun.  I just saw Jossy on explaining why Dave was paying for the search and not Aruba--Aruba just wants to close this case down.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 28, 2009, 08:20:27 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gM4lWnpFfSI8U0EzxCHT8WVehRowD977AGMO0

Aruba authorities help search for Natalee Holloway
36 minutes ago

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Authorities in Aruba are helping a U.S. private investigator search a pond for signs of missing U.S. teen Natalee Holloway despite having no new leads in the case.

Firefighters are using a hose to blast mud and debris out of a pond that witnesses previously identified as a possible location for her remains. The pond was drained for the search.

Investigator Fred Golba said Saturday they are still searching and declined further comment. He was hired by Holloway's father to search the pond even though it has been scoured before.

The 18-year-old was last seen leaving a bar with Joran Van der Sloot during a 2005 high school graduation trip.

Van der Sloot has been arrested twice and released for lack of evidence.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.


So helpful are those Aruban authorities when there is probably nothing there (in the pond) to find.

If the Persistence were ever to come back, bet they would help with that as well. Everything has already been retrieved, packaged in zip lock baggies, and stored in the "confidential" file.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I wonder where the water being drained from the pond was going to?  If they drained the pond then that water had to go somewhere.  Did Dave just pay for having the pond drained so Aruba can start construction in that area?  Probably.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 08:38:04 PM
The professional dog handler on Nancy Grace just said that a cadaver dog COULD detect the scent of remains after even this long.  It is my understanding that they can as well and for a lot longer as a matter of fact.  She demonstrated with one on camera using not even actual remains but a sheet that had been in contact with remains and the dog had not trouble whatsoever.

Didn't Fred say that there would be nothing for the dog to find after this long?  I mean that there would be no scent for the dog to locate from any remains.

Now unless there are only bones and those bones have been separated from the decomp process, there would be scent not only on the bones but all around them because that is where decomp would have actually happened, all around the bones.

I think someone should be checking Rhino "Lighttanks" Goldba's credentials. 

Why is Goldba saying the opposite in regard to using the dog of what more every other dog handler would say?

The decomp that would have happened around the bones would be rich with scent for the dog.  Unless, of course, the bones have been away from the location in which actual decomp took place.

I know what I am trying to say, just don't know how to say it.  There should be scent if decomp happened around the bones that would be left now.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 28, 2009, 08:39:20 PM
[/b

KLASS

As always U ROCK!   TY for bringing that last vidoe forward.

I try to keep up....still would be impossible with out KLASS!

Prayers for Nat and her family...
I saw the previews for the movie today.

Beth is so much prettier than the actress in the movie.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 28, 2009, 08:52:58 PM
[/b

KLASS

As always U ROCK!   TY for bringing that last vidoe forward.

I try to keep up....still would be impossible with out KLASS!

Prayers for Nat and her family...
I saw the previews for the movie today.

Beth is so much prettier than the actress in the movie.

Hello, FOM.  It's nice to see you logged in.  You might want to stop the arrows from striking your...well you know....and put on your Easter finest.  It's not obligatory.   ::MonkeyWink::

Yes, prayers for Natalee and her family.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2009, 09:01:08 PM
[/b

KLASS

As always U ROCK!   TY for bringing that last vidoe forward.

I try to keep up....still would be impossible with out KLASS!

Prayers for Nat and her family...
I saw the previews for the movie today.

Beth is so much prettier than the actress in the movie.

Hello, FOM.  It's nice to see you logged in.  You might want to stop the arrows from striking your...well you know....and put on your Easter finest.  It's not obligatory.   ::MonkeyWink::

Yes, prayers for Natalee and her family.

We'll have to see if CBB has made one for her.  I don't see it on the list  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Hi FOM!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: bastibro on March 28, 2009, 09:54:59 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gM4lWnpFfSI8U0EzxCHT8WVehRowD977AGMO0

Aruba authorities help search for Natalee Holloway
36 minutes ago

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Authorities in Aruba are helping a U.S. private investigator search a pond for signs of missing U.S. teen Natalee Holloway despite having no new leads in the case.

Firefighters are using a hose to blast mud and debris out of a pond that witnesses previously identified as a possible location for her remains. The pond was drained for the search.

Investigator Fred Golba said Saturday they are still searching and declined further comment. He was hired by Holloway's father to search the pond even though it has been scoured before.

The 18-year-old was last seen leaving a bar with Joran Van der Sloot during a 2005 high school graduation trip.

Van der Sloot has been arrested twice and released for lack of evidence.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.


So helpful are those Aruban authorities when there is probably nothing there (in the pond) to find.

If the Persistence were ever to come back, bet they would help with that as well. Everything has already been retrieved, packaged in zip lock baggies, and stored in the "confidential" file.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I wonder where the water being drained from the pond was going to?  If they drained the pond then that water had to go somewhere.  Did Dave just pay for having the pond drained so Aruba can start construction in that area?  Probably.

The water is transported through the tubes to a lower pond.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 28, 2009, 10:04:10 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gM4lWnpFfSI8U0EzxCHT8WVehRowD977AGMO0

Aruba authorities help search for Natalee Holloway
36 minutes ago

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Authorities in Aruba are helping a U.S. private investigator search a pond for signs of missing U.S. teen Natalee Holloway despite having no new leads in the case.

Firefighters are using a hose to blast mud and debris out of a pond that witnesses previously identified as a possible location for her remains. The pond was drained for the search.

Investigator Fred Golba said Saturday they are still searching and declined further comment. He was hired by Holloway's father to search the pond even though it has been scoured before.

The 18-year-old was last seen leaving a bar with Joran Van der Sloot during a 2005 high school graduation trip.

Van der Sloot has been arrested twice and released for lack of evidence.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.


So helpful are those Aruban authorities when there is probably nothing there (in the pond) to find.

If the Persistence were ever to come back, bet they would help with that as well. Everything has already been retrieved, packaged in zip lock baggies, and stored in the "confidential" file.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I wonder where the water being drained from the pond was going to?  If they drained the pond then that water had to go somewhere.  Did Dave just pay for having the pond drained so Aruba can start construction in that area?  Probably.

The water is transported through the tubes to a lower pond.

Can you show us where this lower pond is? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 28, 2009, 10:05:24 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gM4lWnpFfSI8U0EzxCHT8WVehRowD977AGMO0

Aruba authorities help search for Natalee Holloway
36 minutes ago

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Authorities in Aruba are helping a U.S. private investigator search a pond for signs of missing U.S. teen Natalee Holloway despite having no new leads in the case.

Firefighters are using a hose to blast mud and debris out of a pond that witnesses previously identified as a possible location for her remains. The pond was drained for the search.

Investigator Fred Golba said Saturday they are still searching and declined further comment. He was hired by Holloway's father to search the pond even though it has been scoured before.

The 18-year-old was last seen leaving a bar with Joran Van der Sloot during a 2005 high school graduation trip.

Van der Sloot has been arrested twice and released for lack of evidence.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.


So helpful are those Aruban authorities when there is probably nothing there (in the pond) to find.

If the Persistence were ever to come back, bet they would help with that as well. Everything has already been retrieved, packaged in zip lock baggies, and stored in the "confidential" file.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I wonder where the water being drained from the pond was going to?  If they drained the pond then that water had to go somewhere.  Did Dave just pay for having the pond drained so Aruba can start construction in that area?  Probably.

The water is transported through the tubes to a lower pond.

Can you show us where this lower pond is? 

AND did the lower pond get cleared before they drained water into it?  doh


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: bastibro on March 28, 2009, 10:10:49 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gM4lWnpFfSI8U0EzxCHT8WVehRowD977AGMO0

Aruba authorities help search for Natalee Holloway
36 minutes ago

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Authorities in Aruba are helping a U.S. private investigator search a pond for signs of missing U.S. teen Natalee Holloway despite having no new leads in the case.

Firefighters are using a hose to blast mud and debris out of a pond that witnesses previously identified as a possible location for her remains. The pond was drained for the search.

Investigator Fred Golba said Saturday they are still searching and declined further comment. He was hired by Holloway's father to search the pond even though it has been scoured before.

The 18-year-old was last seen leaving a bar with Joran Van der Sloot during a 2005 high school graduation trip.

Van der Sloot has been arrested twice and released for lack of evidence.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.


So helpful are those Aruban authorities when there is probably nothing there (in the pond) to find.

If the Persistence were ever to come back, bet they would help with that as well. Everything has already been retrieved, packaged in zip lock baggies, and stored in the "confidential" file.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I wonder where the water being drained from the pond was going to?  If they drained the pond then that water had to go somewhere.  Did Dave just pay for having the pond drained so Aruba can start construction in that area?  Probably.

The water is transported through the tubes to a lower pond.

Can you show us where this lower pond is? 

I think to the pond behind the Marriot hotel, but that`s just based on my own logical thinking 2NJS_Mom


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 28, 2009, 10:13:10 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gM4lWnpFfSI8U0EzxCHT8WVehRowD977AGMO0

Aruba authorities help search for Natalee Holloway
36 minutes ago

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Authorities in Aruba are helping a U.S. private investigator search a pond for signs of missing U.S. teen Natalee Holloway despite having no new leads in the case.

Firefighters are using a hose to blast mud and debris out of a pond that witnesses previously identified as a possible location for her remains. The pond was drained for the search.

Investigator Fred Golba said Saturday they are still searching and declined further comment. He was hired by Holloway's father to search the pond even though it has been scoured before.

The 18-year-old was last seen leaving a bar with Joran Van der Sloot during a 2005 high school graduation trip.

Van der Sloot has been arrested twice and released for lack of evidence.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.


So helpful are those Aruban authorities when there is probably nothing there (in the pond) to find.

If the Persistence were ever to come back, bet they would help with that as well. Everything has already been retrieved, packaged in zip lock baggies, and stored in the "confidential" file.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I wonder where the water being drained from the pond was going to?  If they drained the pond then that water had to go somewhere.  Did Dave just pay for having the pond drained so Aruba can start construction in that area?  Probably.

The water is transported through the tubes to a lower pond.

Can you show us where this lower pond is? 

I think to the pond behind the Marriot hotel, but that`s just based on my own logical thinking 2NJS_Mom
I don't get it -- via what? Is there a sewer pipe between them?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: bastibro on March 28, 2009, 10:15:45 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gM4lWnpFfSI8U0EzxCHT8WVehRowD977AGMO0

Aruba authorities help search for Natalee Holloway
36 minutes ago

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Authorities in Aruba are helping a U.S. private investigator search a pond for signs of missing U.S. teen Natalee Holloway despite having no new leads in the case.

Firefighters are using a hose to blast mud and debris out of a pond that witnesses previously identified as a possible location for her remains. The pond was drained for the search.

Investigator Fred Golba said Saturday they are still searching and declined further comment. He was hired by Holloway's father to search the pond even though it has been scoured before.

The 18-year-old was last seen leaving a bar with Joran Van der Sloot during a 2005 high school graduation trip.

Van der Sloot has been arrested twice and released for lack of evidence.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.


So helpful are those Aruban authorities when there is probably nothing there (in the pond) to find.

If the Persistence were ever to come back, bet they would help with that as well. Everything has already been retrieved, packaged in zip lock baggies, and stored in the "confidential" file.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I wonder where the water being drained from the pond was going to?  If they drained the pond then that water had to go somewhere.  Did Dave just pay for having the pond drained so Aruba can start construction in that area?  Probably.

The water is transported through the tubes to a lower pond.

Can you show us where this lower pond is? 

I think to the pond behind the Marriot hotel, but that`s just based on my own logical thinking 2NJS_Mom
I don't get it -- via what? Is there a sewer pipe between them?

I think so wreck but I could be wrong, just based on logical thinking ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: bastibro on March 28, 2009, 10:17:18 PM
In the video you see them pumping the water into the sewer pipes


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 28, 2009, 10:25:00 PM
You cannot have sewer pipes on an island.  That is why they have the retention ponds.

If you had sewer pipes they would fill with sea water every time the tide comes in.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: bastibro on March 28, 2009, 10:27:53 PM
Not sewer but drain pipes!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2009, 10:28:09 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gM4lWnpFfSI8U0EzxCHT8WVehRowD977AGMO0

Aruba authorities help search for Natalee Holloway
36 minutes ago

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Authorities in Aruba are helping a U.S. private investigator search a pond for signs of missing U.S. teen Natalee Holloway despite having no new leads in the case.

Firefighters are using a hose to blast mud and debris out of a pond that witnesses previously identified as a possible location for her remains. The pond was drained for the search.

Investigator Fred Golba said Saturday they are still searching and declined further comment. He was hired by Holloway's father to search the pond even though it has been scoured before.

The 18-year-old was last seen leaving a bar with Joran Van der Sloot during a 2005 high school graduation trip.

Van der Sloot has been arrested twice and released for lack of evidence.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.


So helpful are those Aruban authorities when there is probably nothing there (in the pond) to find.

If the Persistence were ever to come back, bet they would help with that as well. Everything has already been retrieved, packaged in zip lock baggies, and stored in the "confidential" file.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I wonder where the water being drained from the pond was going to?  If they drained the pond then that water had to go somewhere.  Did Dave just pay for having the pond drained so Aruba can start construction in that area?  Probably.

The water is transported through the tubes to a lower pond.

Can you show us where this lower pond is? 

I think to the pond behind the Marriot hotel, but that`s just based on my own logical thinking 2NJS_Mom

Bastibro - no offense, but there is no way in heck they are draining from the Monserat pond into the pond by the Marriott.  It is way too far away.  If they were going to go that far why not simply drain into the ocean  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2009, 10:29:29 PM
There are likely drainage pipes that lead towards the ocean. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 28, 2009, 10:29:41 PM
Not sewer but drain pipes!

Not is the drain pipes are below ground.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2009, 10:35:25 PM
Photo originally posted by Capslockwizard of the pipes near the pond that is currently being searched:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/Insidepipeshowingsplitlightned.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 28, 2009, 10:39:23 PM
Photo originally posted by Capslockwizard of the pipes near the pond that is currently being searched:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/Insidepipeshowingsplitlightned.jpg)

Thank you, Klaas.

My apologies. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 28, 2009, 10:42:08 PM
Photo originally posted by Capslockwizard of the pipes near the pond that is currently being searched:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/Insidepipeshowingsplitlightned.jpg)

They are pretty big, and could feed the pond, as well as drain.  I tend to think they feed it, but don't know for sure.  In our town, there are many lakes, but there is one man-made lake that is public where my sons learned to swim long ago.  It's fed by spring water, but every fall is drained until the next season.  I never questioned where the water was drained to...the lake sits downhill from the roadway, and we have no sewers, so I would tend to think that they may just use pumper trucks and disperse the water into the nearby lakes.  Of course, this, too, is based on my logic, and not necessarily FACT.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2009, 10:43:06 PM
These were photos Capslock sent Lala's of the area and Lala's posted them here:


Photo looking inside one of the inlet pipes.

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j178/dodie_photos/Lookinginsideinletpipe.jpg)

This photo shows the pipe and where it splits in two. If you look in the back you can see a white looking pipe or divider that runs along the back there.  As I understand it, they go very deep and far away down under the area.  I am not sure exactly where they drain.

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j178/dodie_photos/Insidepipeshowingsplit.jpg)

This photo shows the pipe and where it splits in two. If you look in the back you can see a white looking pipe or divider that runs along the back there.  As I understand it, they go very deep and far away down under the area.  I am not sure exactly where they drain.

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j178/dodie_photos/Insidepipeshowingsplit.jpg)

Photo of Chinese restaurant...pond behind this area.

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j178/dodie_photos/Lekker.jpg)

Supermarket next to the restaurant...this building is probably the same one in the trash photo from yesterday...I am going by the color of the building and it appears to be the same color as the back of the one in the other photo.  I can't do side by side photos..sorry. 
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j178/dodie_photos/Supermarket.jpg)

Supermarket next to the restaurant...this building is probably the same one in the trash photo from yesterday...I am going by the color of the building and it appears to be the same color as the back of the one in the other photo.  I can't do side by side photos..sorry. 
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j178/dodie_photos/Supermarket.jpg)

Lala's, I agree.  Based upon the color and style of the building looks like the same:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/MarketTrashCompare.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 28, 2009, 10:51:15 PM
I will tell a funny story.....

When I lived in Key West, they built a new high school.  They dug down 3 feet to make an
orchestra pit in the auditorium.  It was the only auditorium in the city at that time.

It was summer and the first performance in the new auditorium was a Canadian Opera company
complete with their own orchestra.

About a quarter of the way through the performance the members of the orchestra started to
take their instruments and one by one exit the orchestra pit.  People were very confused as
to what was happening until it was announced that the orchestra pit was filling with water.
It was high tide.  Water seeks it's own level.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: San on March 28, 2009, 11:00:58 PM
I will tell a funny story.....

When I lived in Key West, they built a new high school.  They dug down 3 feet to make an orchestra pit in the auditorium.  It was the only auditorium in the city at that time.

It was summer and the first performance in the new auditorium was a Canadian Opera company complete with their own orchestra.

About a quarter of the way through the performance the members of the orchestra started to take their instruments and one by one exit the orchestra pit.  People were very confused as to what was happening until it was announced that the orchestra pit was filling with water.

It was high tide.  Water seeks it's own level.

Somehow I don't see the drums making it out.

Don't tell Tamikosmom we flooded the opera company out  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 28, 2009, 11:01:36 PM
 ::MonkeyCool::  Good story, Magnolia, and I would think the designers & contractors for that high school had some issues to iron out. 

I want to add that in our community and others nearby, there are no fire hydrants.  The pumper fire trucks get their water from the lakes.  That, in essence, is where I was basing my opinion in my last post. 

I don't know what they have in Aruba. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 11:10:00 PM
Inlet pipes that bring the water into the pond from the streets to prevent flooding.  That's why they are so high above the average water level.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 28, 2009, 11:31:30 PM
Inlet pipes that bring the water into the pond from the streets to prevent flooding.  That's why they are so high above the average water level.

Thanks, Anna.  That is what I was thinking and it makes sense.  Now, where are they pumping the water to?  That's why I asked bastibro where this lower pond was. 

I think I'm heading to bed shortly.  If I'm not back before Janet's Olive Garden update, I'll certainly be here tomorrow. 

G'nite.  See you all later.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 11:34:59 PM
So nothing eventful happened today in the search of the Monserat Dam? 

And note Valero has loaned a couple of pumps for draining the pond.  This is like when U.S. owned hotel franchise gives a discount to Beth.  Some how it is not Americans helping out other Americans but a big gift and expense to Aruba and the Dutch. 

I wonder if Hans Mos is running a tab on this the way he does everything else.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 11:36:56 PM
Inlet pipes that bring the water into the pond from the streets to prevent flooding.  That's why they are so high above the average water level.

Thanks, Anna.  That is what I was thinking and it makes sense.  Now, where are they pumping the water to?  That's why I asked bastibro where this lower pond was. 

I think I'm heading to bed shortly.  If I'm not back before Janet's Olive Garden update, I'll certainly be here tomorrow. 

G'nite.  See you all later.




There is a drainage grate in front of that Super Market.  Probably they are pumping into it and constantly refilling the pond, lol.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 11:37:55 PM
Just kidding. . . . I think.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on March 28, 2009, 11:43:35 PM
Inlet pipes that bring the water into the pond from the streets to prevent flooding.  That's why they are so high above the average water level.

Thanks, Anna.  That is what I was thinking and it makes sense.  Now, where are they pumping the water to?  That's why I asked bastibro where this lower pond was. 

I think I'm heading to bed shortly.  If I'm not back before Janet's Olive Garden update, I'll certainly be here tomorrow. 

G'nite.  See you all later.




There is a drainage grate in front of that Super Market.  Probably they are pumping into it and constantly refilling the pond, lol.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Anna,

Knowing them and their stellar track record, that is not out of the realm of possibility...

 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 28, 2009, 11:44:26 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_54537.php

Google translation:

Aruba
Free stay for travel agents
March 28, 2009, 16:10 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - Dutch travel agents have until December 15 this year, six nights free stay on the island. Tourist ATA is in line with the recently launched "Give yourself Aruba' campaign called Annual Travel Agent Month (TRAM) program adapted from my own experience so that travel agents can advise future tourists.

Participating agents need only to pay the flight. The stay in the hotels is free. Moreover, the travel agents to choose you. For this group, to the use of different hotels, they get a number of nights in the High Rise and Low Rise hotels offered. For both types of hotels can three preferences on the basis of availability is determined in which of these three options is stayed.

With the TRAM program agents thanked and rewarded for their work as an ambassador for the island of Aruba to provide said Ahata president Rob Smith. "Professional travel agents are very important for Aruba," says Myrna Jansen of ATA from. "The TRAM program is specially created for them. We would like to travel agents the opportunity to visit Aruba. In return, they can then draw from my own experience to inform tourists about the ideal holiday island. "


This is one way to fill those empty rooms and report high occupancy.  Along with all the "prize" trips which are also advertising.

I would be interested to see the monetary amounts instead of percentage of rooms occupied as that would include free ones as well.

Dayhiker used to post that report from the bank that gave a better view of the true finances in the tourism sector. 

This also is little more than a form of bribe to get more tourists from the travel agents.  Maybe they even give more days to those who book more trips.  At least maybe this gives work and tips for those in the service industry.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 28, 2009, 11:47:24 PM
Good Evening...Monkey Mia, BUCKSHOT, SuzieQ, Lifesong, AZSunny, 2NJSons_Mom and 15 Guests

 ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2009, 11:49:07 PM
http://www.cbaruba.org/cba/readBlob.do?id=1283

CENTRALE BANK VAN ARUBA
J.E. Irausquin Boulevard 8 P.O. Box 18 Oranjestad Aruba Tel. nr.: (297) 525-2100 Fax nr.: (297) 525-2101
E-mail: cbaua@setarnet.aw Website: www.cbaruba.org
Money supply grows, BBO receipts contract and inflation slows

Press Release*
February 27, 2009

In December 2008, money supply grew by Afl. 100.8 million or 3.5 percent to Afl. 2,990.5 million, which was the net result of an Afl. 171.9 million net inflow of funds from abroad and an Afl. 71.1 million (3.8 percent) contraction in net domestic assets. Consequently, net foreign assets (excluding revaluation differences of gold and foreign exchange holdings) rose to Afl. 1,196.6 million at the end of December 2008, which is Afl. 480 million or 67 percent more than the amount recorded in the corresponding month of 2007. The foreign component contributed largely to the Afl. 424.1 million (16.5 percent) growth in money supply for 2008 as a whole.

The Aruban economy continued to show signs of a weakening performance, particularly in the last half of 2008. For the first time since its introduction in January 2007, both nominal and real turnover tax (BBO) receipts were, respectively, 2.9 percent and 3 percent lower in December 2008 than in the corresponding month of 2007.** There are also indications that growth in consumer spending has slowed down, as indicated by the slower growth in the year to date consumer credit. Airport arrivals’ data*** showed that growth decelerated during the second half of 2008 to 0.7 percent (compared to the corresponding period in 2007), against a 19.2 percent growth during the first half of 2008. However, for the year 2008 as a whole, the Aruba Tourism Authority’s tourist arrival data (January 2008 – June 2008) together with the proxy airport arrival figures for the months of July 2008 up to and including December 2008 suggest an 8.2 percent increase in stay-over visitors. The Cruise Tourism Authority’s data indicates that both the number of cruise passengers and ship calls increased by, respectively, 15.4 percent and 13.3 percent in December 2008, compared to the
*English original prevails.

** The BBO receipts generated in a certain month are indicators of the output generated in the previous month.
*** Due to a backlog in official publication of statistics on tourism arrivals and nights spent on the island by the Aruba Tourism Authority, the CBA relies on airport arrival statistics published by the Central Bureau of Statistics, corrected for resident arrivals.

2
corresponding month of 2007.
While the November 2008 end of period inflation was about half that of the same month of 2007, the December figure showed a deflation (-1.0 percent) for the first time since price data has been collected. Nonetheless, the annual (12-month average) inflation rate, reached 8 percent in 2008, compared to 6 percent in December 2007. The recent change in the 12-month average inflation rate also influenced the differential with the inflation in the U.S.A., our main trading partner. By December 2008, this differential narrowed down to 4.2 percentage points, compared to 4.8 percentage points in the previous month. When excluding the energy-related components (water, electricity and gasoline), the 12-month inflation rate went up by 0.1 percentage point to 5.1 percent in December 2008, compared to the corresponding period a year earlier.

For further information, please visit our website (www.cbaruba.org) or contact the Research Department of the Centrale Bank van Aruba, tel. +297 5252100.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: San on March 29, 2009, 12:03:44 AM
So nothing eventful happened today in the search of the Monserat Dam? 

And note Valero has loaned a couple of pumps for draining the pond.  This is like when U.S. owned hotel franchise gives a discount to Beth.  Some how it is not Americans helping out other Americans but a big gift and expense to Aruba and the Dutch. 

I wonder if Hans Mos is running a tab on this the way he does everything else.

Yeah they can lend out a pump but couldn't lend a bulldozer when Tim and Red were digging in the dump.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 29, 2009, 12:20:21 AM
Thank you, Klaas,

The Annual Statistical Digest for 2008 is said to have been released but is still incomplete in the number of tourist section.  Guess we will have to check back later when that is filled in to see how 2008 was for Aruban tourism but that was before all the economic problems globally.

I don't envy any place trying to exist off of tourism in these economic times.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 12:42:44 AM
3/23/2009  Solo di Pueblo

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&Itemid=2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%205/03232009SDPp12.jpg)

Monkey "teabags" Oduber!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2009, 12:43:21 AM
3/23/2009  Solo di Pueblo

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&Itemid=2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%205/03232009SDPp12.jpg)

Monkey "teabags" Oduber!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 12:43:38 AM
Ritz Carlton first five star hotel 20 February 2009
ORANJESTAD - After four years of negotiations, the Aruban government has finally her first five-star hotel, The Ritz-Carlton. The hotel with 320 rooms will come next to the Marriott resort that is also the parent company of this luxurious hotel chain. The 360 million florins investment is officially done by the Venezuelan group Desarrollos Hotelco S.A. that turned out to be the best from a public tender.



Interesting...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 12:46:53 AM
Gas drilling close to Aruba 14 November 2008
ORANJESTAD - Venezuela and Russia have started with mutual drillings for gas in sea. One of the fields where they are gong to drill, Cardón III, lies close to Aruba. The Venezuelan company PdVSA and the Russian Gazprom do the exploitation. Almost 190 Venezuelans, Russians, and Americans work on the project Venezuela and Russia close to Aruba.The idea is that also the American Chevron-Texaco participates actively in the project, which is something that Venezuela has promised a few years ago. Chevron-Texaco is coping with the anti-American attitude of the Chavez-government.



The connection has got to be close... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 29, 2009, 12:47:03 AM
I had a very nice email from Jennifer Hale.

She acknowledged that she gets a lot of information from Renho, although she said she does not
trust her and is aware of Renho's agenda.

She swears that she talked to Tim Miller and he told her about the new search.
She said that she has the conversation on tape and has considered putting it on the internet
since this has come up, but decided that it might hurt Tim.

She said that she stays in touch somewhat with Dave and Beth.

She wants to see the Kyle Kingman pictures of the cage/trap, but I don't know how to send them to her.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: justinsmama on March 29, 2009, 12:49:40 AM
Hello, my monkey family! I am glad that there is continued work on the case. It must be hell to be Joran!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 12:49:58 AM
3/28/2009 Awe Mainta Page 14

http://www.awemainta.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%205/03282009AweMaintaP14.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

pdvsa is reduci inversionnan at 12.000 miyon dolar

the compania estatal venezolano, petróleos de venezuela s.a. (pdvsa) owing to reduci his plan of inversion for her year here cu “casi” 40 can ciento, till at 12.000 miyon dolar, his vicepresidente, eulogio del pino, owing to anuncia. the suma ey is show “un reduccion noun of the presupuesto of gasto of pvsa, casi one 40 can ciento”, the funcionario owing to remarca fast camara petrolera of venezuela (cpv) – one entidad priva - according one notice of the agencia estatal agencia bolivariana de noticias (abn) cu not owing to detail day the meeting ey did take lugar. del pino owing to destaca without embargo, cu pdvsa “ta mantene his maneho” of destina “por will less 10 can ciento” of his presupuesto of inversion “na desaroyo social”. among the proyectonan cu will achieve 90 can ciento e’la named after, among another, the financiamento of some work of modernizacion at two refinería y the continuacion of explotacion in the belt of orinoco (fpo), caminda because; thirty compania of petroleum of several part of world actualmente is efectua one certificacion on they reserva overall. gobierno of venezuela is pronostica cu the certificacion here will confirma cu the country is count ; cu one overall of 314.000 miyon sweep, “e nacion cu more reserva of mundo”, compara cu the 172.323 miyon sweep certifica till now. because; part of the inversion for her year here, the vicepresidente of pdvsa owing to revela cu already owing to close “un acuerdo cu one conglomerado of empresanan russian in campo junín 6 of fpo” y cu “ya 14 boor new chinese owing to arrive cu at once owing to wordo poni in servicio”, abn owing to añadi.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 12:52:19 AM
Ritz Carlton first five star hotel 20 February 2009
ORANJESTAD - After four years of negotiations, the Aruban government has finally her first five-star hotel, The Ritz-Carlton. The hotel with 320 rooms will come next to the Marriott resort that is also the parent company of this luxurious hotel chain. The 360 million florins investment is officially done by the Venezuelan group Desarrollos Hotelco S.A. that turned out to be the best from a public tender.



Interesting...

Renaissance Curacao Resort and Casino 4 February 2009
Oranjestad - The Renaissance Curacao Resort & Casino is officially open! This week, the resort started receiving guests formally. For the past few days, guests were allowed to check in, but they were part of the trial run. For those that don't know it, Renaissance Curacao Resort & Casino was constructed and will be operated by MetaCorp Aruba. This project carried a price tag of more than US$ 90.000.000 and it has become a magnificent Renaissance that forms part of the World-Renowned Marriott chain. The Curacao branch of the hotel, offers a total of 240 rooms and very elegant, spacious and luxurious suites.


http://www.yellowpages-aruba.com/home/news


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 12:52:51 AM
Ritz Carlton first five star hotel 20 February 2009
ORANJESTAD - After four years of negotiations, the Aruban government has finally her first five-star hotel, The Ritz-Carlton. The hotel with 320 rooms will come next to the Marriott resort that is also the parent company of this luxurious hotel chain. The 360 million florins investment is officially done by the Venezuelan group Desarrollos Hotelco S.A. that turned out to be the best from a public tender.



Interesting...

http://www.yellowpages-aruba.com/home/news


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 12:56:34 AM
Hello, my monkey family! I am glad that there is continued work on the case. It must be hell to be Joran!

Hi justinsmama!  It's good to see you! 

I can surely HOPE it's hell for Joran!   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 01:00:55 AM
I had a very nice email from Jennifer Hale.

She acknowledged that she gets a lot of information from Renho, although she said she does not
trust her and is aware of Renho's agenda.

She swears that she talked to Tim Miller and he told her about the new search.
She said that she has the conversation on tape and has considered putting it on the internet
since this has come up, but decided that it might hurt Tim.

She said that she stays in touch somewhat with Dave and Beth.

She wants to see the Kyle Kingman pictures of the cage/trap, but I don't know how to send them to her.

Why don't you just send her links to the pictures here?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 01:05:04 AM
Ritz Carlton first five star hotel 20 February 2009
ORANJESTAD - After four years of negotiations, the Aruban government has finally her first five-star hotel, The Ritz-Carlton. The hotel with 320 rooms will come next to the Marriott resort that is also the parent company of this luxurious hotel chain. The 360 million florins investment is officially done by the Venezuelan group Desarrollos Hotelco S.A. that turned out to be the best from a public tender.



Interesting...

Renaissance Curacao Resort and Casino 4 February 2009
Oranjestad - The Renaissance Curacao Resort & Casino is officially open! This week, the resort started receiving guests formally. For the past few days, guests were allowed to check in, but they were part of the trial run. For those that don't know it, Renaissance Curacao Resort & Casino was constructed and will be operated by MetaCorp Aruba. This project carried a price tag of more than US$ 90.000.000 and it has become a magnificent Renaissance that forms part of the World-Renowned Marriott chain. The Curacao branch of the hotel, offers a total of 240 rooms and very elegant, spacious and luxurious suites.


http://www.yellowpages-aruba.com/home/news

The hotel will become the Renaissance Aruba Beach Resort & Casino, a welcomed addition to the Renaissance collection, part of the Marriott hotel group. Marriott brings to the resort 75 years of experience and more that 2000 hotels worldwide. Eduardo de Veer, the owner of Metacorp, which is the parent company of the hotel, will retain its current management.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 29, 2009, 01:05:25 AM
I will send them to her, Magnolia.  But I only have the still shots, none of the video and not Trahan doing thumbs down, etc.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2009, 01:06:44 AM
I had a very nice email from Jennifer Hale.

She acknowledged that she gets a lot of information from Renho, although she said she does not
trust her and is aware of Renho's agenda.

She swears that she talked to Tim Miller and he told her about the new search.
She said that she has the conversation on tape and has considered putting it on the internet
since this has come up, but decided that it might hurt Tim.

She said that she stays in touch somewhat with Dave and Beth.

She wants to see the Kyle Kingman pictures of the cage/trap, but I don't know how to send them to her.

Magnolia - Blonde has the entire Persistence story in this thread including the cage/trap photos.  You could just send her this link.  That would be the easiest:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2009, 01:07:25 AM
Hello, my monkey family! I am glad that there is continued work on the case. It must be hell to be Joran!

Great to see you Justinsmama!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 29, 2009, 01:10:07 AM
I had a very nice email from Jennifer Hale.

She acknowledged that she gets a lot of information from Renho, although she said she does not
trust her and is aware of Renho's agenda.

She swears that she talked to Tim Miller and he told her about the new search.
She said that she has the conversation on tape and has considered putting it on the internet
since this has come up, but decided that it might hurt Tim.

She said that she stays in touch somewhat with Dave and Beth.

She wants to see the Kyle Kingman pictures of the cage/trap, but I don't know how to send them to her.

Magnolia - Blonde has the entire Persistence story in this thread including the cage/trap photos.  You could just send her this link.  That would be the easiest:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.0

I thought about Blonde's thread.  It is wonderful for us, because we have experienced all of this a little
at a time.  I fear it is too much to comprehend for someone who is not familiar with it all.

Wha tdo ya'll think.

She needs Kyle's words as well as the photos.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 29, 2009, 01:12:11 AM
Well, I just sent her about six photos of the trap.  Including the one where Kyle did the artwork/graphic.  The link might be better if she is really intersted.  Something tells me she is not into in depth reporting and only wants the "newsy" news.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 29, 2009, 01:12:33 AM
I will send them to her, Magnolia.  But I only have the still shots, none of the video and not Trahan doing thumbs down, etc.



Could you send one of Janet's reminders too, Anna.

I must say, I believed the girl.  It was a long email and she went into great detail.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 29, 2009, 01:13:24 AM
Magnolia,  Why don't you send her the link to the entire thread.  It would be in better order, etc.  She should at least be curious now.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2009, 01:14:51 AM
Well, I just sent her about six photos of the trap.  Including the one where Kyle did the artwork/graphic.  The link might be better if she is really intersted.  Something tells me she is not into in depth reporting and only wants the "newsy" news.



That's perfect Anna, thanks!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 01:19:14 AM
Ritz Carlton first five star hotel 20 February 2009
ORANJESTAD - After four years of negotiations, the Aruban government has finally her first five-star hotel, The Ritz-Carlton. The hotel with 320 rooms will come next to the Marriott resort that is also the parent company of this luxurious hotel chain. The 360 million florins investment is officially done by the Venezuelan group Desarrollos Hotelco S.A. that turned out to be the best from a public tender.



Interesting...

Renaissance Curacao Resort and Casino 4 February 2009
Oranjestad - The Renaissance Curacao Resort & Casino is officially open! This week, the resort started receiving guests formally. For the past few days, guests were allowed to check in, but they were part of the trial run. For those that don't know it, Renaissance Curacao Resort & Casino was constructed and will be operated by MetaCorp Aruba. This project carried a price tag of more than US$ 90.000.000 and it has become a magnificent Renaissance that forms part of the World-Renowned Marriott chain. The Curacao branch of the hotel, offers a total of 240 rooms and very elegant, spacious and luxurious suites.


http://www.yellowpages-aruba.com/home/news

The hotel will become the Renaissance Aruba Beach Resort & Casino, a welcomed addition to the Renaissance collection, part of the Marriott hotel group. Marriott brings to the resort 75 years of experience and more that 2000 hotels worldwide. Eduardo de Veer, the owner of Metacorp, which is the parent company of the hotel, will retain its current management.

ATCO
The ATCO story truly tells how diverse Fleet Cost & Care Software has become.  Requiring basic fleet management vertical systems combined with wireless data transfer was just one aspect of ATCO’s needs.  To get better feel for how diverse this company is one must realize what ATCO does for the people of Aruba its visitors from all over the globe.

ATCO, as a part of MetaCorp, a conglomerate of companies in a wide variety of markets, was incorporated in 1949. At that time mostly active in the transport business for Exxon's Oil Refinery (LAGO), not only transporting regular cargo, but also moving extraordinary cargo such as parts for the expansion of the plant. Over the last fifty years ATCO has constructed what it takes to be a modern leader in the Aruban transport business.

Throughout the last half century ATCO has constructed and maintained a tradition of high quality transportation services on the island." Despite increasing competition, ATCO maintained the edge by using amongst others state of the art, innovative equipment. It is therefore that ATCO introduced the first Roll on Roll off container system in Aruba, enabling container of 40 feet to be transported without the use of chassis.

The Operational division of ATCO is where it all began. Between 1950 and 1975 Associated Transport Company Inc., based its income mainly on transporting bulk cargo for the Lago Oil Refinery.
This division has since then grown into a diversified unit consisting of:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 01:21:22 AM
Link for the above ATCO...   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.fleetcostcare.com/testimonials.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 29, 2009, 01:23:34 AM
Gas drilling close to Aruba 14 November 2008
ORANJESTAD - Venezuela and Russia have started with mutual drillings for gas in sea. One of the fields where they are gong to drill, Cardón III, lies close to Aruba. The Venezuelan company PdVSA and the Russian Gazprom do the exploitation. Almost 190 Venezuelans, Russians, and Americans work on the project Venezuela and Russia close to Aruba.The idea is that also the American Chevron-Texaco participates actively in the project, which is something that Venezuela has promised a few years ago. Chevron-Texaco is coping with the anti-American attitude of the Chavez-government.



The connection has got to be close... ::MonkeyCool::
Great Find KTF....I'm Digging!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 01:27:28 AM
Gas drilling close to Aruba 14 November 2008
ORANJESTAD - Venezuela and Russia have started with mutual drillings for gas in sea. One of the fields where they are gong to drill, Cardón III, lies close to Aruba. The Venezuelan company PdVSA and the Russian Gazprom do the exploitation. Almost 190 Venezuelans, Russians, and Americans work on the project Venezuela and Russia close to Aruba.The idea is that also the American Chevron-Texaco participates actively in the project, which is something that Venezuela has promised a few years ago. Chevron-Texaco is coping with the anti-American attitude of the Chavez-government.



The connection has got to be close... ::MonkeyCool::
Great Find KTF....I'm Digging!  ::MonkeyDance::

I'm digging on everything..Just trying not to bog down the threads with to much nonsense!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 29, 2009, 01:31:25 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/Inletpipes.jpg)


This is the outside of the pipes.  Notice they were originally labeled INLET pipes but for some reason that got changed and Caps started calling them drainage pipes.  I believe the concrete beneath them supports the concept that they are for water going into instead of out of the pond.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 29, 2009, 01:33:51 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/PipesbehindLekker-1.jpg)

This was labeled Pipes behind Lekker which I believe is a restaurant.  They are above what would be the normal or average water line which would indicate for water going in I would think.

Ran across these looking for trap photos.  Just thought I would share in case anyone is interested with the search, etc.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 29, 2009, 01:36:21 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/KCAJEYUA4CAM06VJACATJM4EFCAMU1WMZCA.jpg)


Peter de Vries a very handsome investigative reporter who should go to Aruba and cover this pond search instead of Julia.

 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 29, 2009, 01:38:26 AM
If someone will select Janet's BEST quotes and post a link, I will send to the reporter Jen Hale.

Or Magnolia can either one.  I just don't want to chose which is best or most appropriate. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 01:41:56 AM
Caribbean Village: vrolijk vakantiedorp       
Geschreven door auteur     
vrijdag 09 januari 2009 


http://caribemagazine.nl/bloggen/nieuws/caribbean-village-vrolijk-vakantiedorp.html


I tell you..The name Vrolijk and Tourism in Aruba go Hand in Hand..Just saying....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 29, 2009, 01:43:22 AM
[/b

KLASS

As always U ROCK!   TY for bringing that last vidoe forward.

I try to keep up....still would be impossible with out KLASS!

Prayers for Nat and her family...
I saw the previews for the movie today.

Beth is so much prettier than the actress in the movie.

Hello, FOM.  It's nice to see you logged in.  You might want to stop the arrows from striking your...well you know....and put on your Easter finest.  It's not obligatory.   ::MonkeyWink::

Yes, prayers for Natalee and her family.

We'll have to see if CBB has made one for her.  I don't see it on the list  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Hi FOM!

Hi FOM!!! It's so nice to see you signed in! Klaas? Here's FOM in her Easter Finest!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Easter/FOM.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Easter/FOM.gif


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: IBE on March 29, 2009, 01:45:52 AM
O/T Thanks Klaas!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 01:46:55 AM
Ritz Carlton first five star hotel 20 February 2009
ORANJESTAD - After four years of negotiations, the Aruban government has finally her first five-star hotel, The Ritz-Carlton. The hotel with 320 rooms will come next to the Marriott resort that is also the parent company of this luxurious hotel chain. The 360 million florins investment is officially done by the Venezuelan group Desarrollos Hotelco S.A. that turned out to be the best from a public tender.



Interesting...

Renaissance Curacao Resort and Casino 4 February 2009
Oranjestad - The Renaissance Curacao Resort & Casino is officially open! This week, the resort started receiving guests formally. For the past few days, guests were allowed to check in, but they were part of the trial run. For those that don't know it, Renaissance Curacao Resort & Casino was constructed and will be operated by MetaCorp Aruba. This project carried a price tag of more than US$ 90.000.000 and it has become a magnificent Renaissance that forms part of the World-Renowned Marriott chain. The Curacao branch of the hotel, offers a total of 240 rooms and very elegant, spacious and luxurious suites.


http://www.yellowpages-aruba.com/home/news

The hotel will become the Renaissance Aruba Beach Resort & Casino, a welcomed addition to the Renaissance collection, part of the Marriott hotel group. Marriott brings to the resort 75 years of experience and more that 2000 hotels worldwide. Eduardo de Veer, the owner of Metacorp, which is the parent company of the hotel, will retain its current management.

ATCO
The ATCO story truly tells how diverse Fleet Cost & Care Software has become.  Requiring basic fleet management vertical systems combined with wireless data transfer was just one aspect of ATCO’s needs.  To get better feel for how diverse this company is one must realize what ATCO does for the people of Aruba its visitors from all over the globe.

ATCO, as a part of MetaCorp, a conglomerate of companies in a wide variety of markets, was incorporated in 1949. At that time mostly active in the transport business for Exxon's Oil Refinery (LAGO), not only transporting regular cargo, but also moving extraordinary cargo such as parts for the expansion of the plant. Over the last fifty years ATCO has constructed what it takes to be a modern leader in the Aruban transport business.

Throughout the last half century ATCO has constructed and maintained a tradition of high quality transportation services on the island." Despite increasing competition, ATCO maintained the edge by using amongst others state of the art, innovative equipment. It is therefore that ATCO introduced the first Roll on Roll off container system in Aruba, enabling container of 40 feet to be transported without the use of chassis.

The Operational division of ATCO is where it all began. Between 1950 and 1975 Associated Transport Company Inc., based its income mainly on transporting bulk cargo for the Lago Oil Refinery.
This division has since then grown into a diversified unit consisting of:


The Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association General Assembly Elects
A New Board for AHATA
A.M. Digital
12/05/2005

Board members voted in are businessman Eduardo de Veer, Renaissance/Meta Corp;[/b] Banker Bill Carson, Caribbean Mercantile Bank; hotelier Scott Allen, Hyatt Regency; Director Peter Steinmetz, Aruba Airport Authority; Public Relations official David Smith, Valero Oil Refinery, Lisette Malmberg, De Palm Tours and hotelier Werner Hein, Occidental Resort.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 29, 2009, 01:48:47 AM
Magnolia,  Why don't you send her the link to the entire thread.  It would be in better order, etc.  She should at least be curious now.



I sent her the link to Blonde's thread and a little explanation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 01:49:46 AM
Caribbean Village: vrolijk vakantiedorp       
Geschreven door auteur     
vrijdag 09 januari 2009 


http://caribemagazine.nl/bloggen/nieuws/caribbean-village-vrolijk-vakantiedorp.html


I tell you..The name Vrolijk and Tourism in Aruba go Hand in Hand..Just saying....

Google translation:

vrolijk vakantiedorp (dutch) = happy holiday (english)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 29, 2009, 01:50:20 AM
Magnolia,  Why don't you send her the link to the entire thread.  It would be in better order, etc.  She should at least be curious now.



I sent her the link to Blonde's thread and a little explanation.


OK, good.  That should give her something to think about.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 29, 2009, 01:53:23 AM
Gas drilling close to Aruba 14 November 2008
ORANJESTAD - Venezuela and Russia have started with mutual drillings for gas in sea. One of the fields where they are gong to drill, Cardón III, lies close to Aruba. The Venezuelan company PdVSA and the Russian Gazprom do the exploitation. Almost 190 Venezuelans, Russians, and Americans work on the project Venezuela and Russia close to Aruba.The idea is that also the American Chevron-Texaco participates actively in the project, which is something that Venezuela has promised a few years ago. Chevron-Texaco is coping with the anti-American attitude of the Chavez-government.



The connection has got to be close... ::MonkeyCool::
Great Find KTF....I'm Digging!  ::MonkeyDance::

I'm digging on everything..Just trying not to bog down the threads with to much nonsense!!


I am reading your post with great interest, KTF.  The whole area seems to be awash in petroleum exploration and drilling of one form or another.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 01:53:56 AM
Caribbean Village: vrolijk vakantiedorp       
Geschreven door auteur     
vrijdag 09 januari 2009 


http://caribemagazine.nl/bloggen/nieuws/caribbean-village-vrolijk-vakantiedorp.html


I tell you..The name Vrolijk and Tourism in Aruba go Hand in Hand..Just saying....

Google translation:

vrolijk vakantiedorp (dutch) = happy holiday (english)

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Thanx TM..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 29, 2009, 01:54:04 AM
Magnolia,  Why don't you send her the link to the entire thread.  It would be in better order, etc.  She should at least be curious now.



I sent her the link to Blonde's thread and a little explanation.


OK, good.  That should give her something to think about.



Thank you for sending the pictures.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 01:56:11 AM
Caribbean Village: vrolijk vakantiedorp       
Geschreven door auteur     
vrijdag 09 januari 2009 


http://caribemagazine.nl/bloggen/nieuws/caribbean-village-vrolijk-vakantiedorp.html


I tell you..The name Vrolijk and Tourism in Aruba go Hand in Hand..Just saying....

Google translation:

vrolijk vakantiedorp (dutch) = happy holiday (english)

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Thanx TM..

You're welcome KTF!  Keep digging!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 01:56:56 AM
Gas drilling close to Aruba 14 November 2008
ORANJESTAD - Venezuela and Russia have started with mutual drillings for gas in sea. One of the fields where they are gong to drill, Cardón III, lies close to Aruba. The Venezuelan company PdVSA and the Russian Gazprom do the exploitation. Almost 190 Venezuelans, Russians, and Americans work on the project Venezuela and Russia close to Aruba.The idea is that also the American Chevron-Texaco participates actively in the project, which is something that Venezuela has promised a few years ago. Chevron-Texaco is coping with the anti-American attitude of the Chavez-government.



The connection has got to be close... ::MonkeyCool::
Great Find KTF....I'm Digging!  ::MonkeyDance::

I'm digging on everything..Just trying not to bog down the threads with to much nonsense!!


I am reading your post with great interest, KTF.  The whole area seems to be awash in petroleum exploration and drilling of one form or another.



You Ladies have been doing fabulous work with Jen Hale and the Search story.I eagerly await what is the TRUTH..Is someone sitting on 1.5 million dollars?If so..Whom?It will be interesting to see who is telling the truth!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 01:59:11 AM
Caribbean Village: vrolijk vakantiedorp       
Geschreven door auteur     
vrijdag 09 januari 2009 


http://caribemagazine.nl/bloggen/nieuws/caribbean-village-vrolijk-vakantiedorp.html


I tell you..The name Vrolijk and Tourism in Aruba go Hand in Hand..Just saying....

Google translation:

vrolijk vakantiedorp (dutch) = happy holiday (english)

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Thanx TM..

You're welcome KTF!  Keep digging!   ::MonkeyDance::

I'm sure Kermit,Jen,Hotping,as well as others are trying to figure out where Schaefer(Legacy Offshore) has his ships currently...He can't have those things just sitting in dry dock!Cost A lot of money to be sitting idle..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 29, 2009, 02:06:23 AM
KTF,

Isn't there a registry that will tell you the location of all commercial vessels?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 02:07:27 AM
Ritz Carlton first five star hotel 20 February 2009
ORANJESTAD - After four years of negotiations, the Aruban government has finally her first five-star hotel, The Ritz-Carlton. The hotel with 320 rooms will come next to the Marriott resort that is also the parent company of this luxurious hotel chain. The 360 million florins investment is officially done by the Venezuelan group Desarrollos Hotelco S.A. that turned out to be the best from a public tender.



Interesting...

Renaissance Curacao Resort and Casino 4 February 2009
Oranjestad - The Renaissance Curacao Resort & Casino is officially open! This week, the resort started receiving guests formally. For the past few days, guests were allowed to check in, but they were part of the trial run. For those that don't know it, Renaissance Curacao Resort & Casino was constructed and will be operated by MetaCorp Aruba. This project carried a price tag of more than US$ 90.000.000 and it has become a magnificent Renaissance that forms part of the World-Renowned Marriott chain. The Curacao branch of the hotel, offers a total of 240 rooms and very elegant, spacious and luxurious suites.


http://www.yellowpages-aruba.com/home/news

The hotel will become the Renaissance Aruba Beach Resort & Casino, a welcomed addition to the Renaissance collection, part of the Marriott hotel group. Marriott brings to the resort 75 years of experience and more that 2000 hotels worldwide. Eduardo de Veer, the owner of Metacorp, which is the parent company of the hotel, will retain its current management.

ATCO
The ATCO story truly tells how diverse Fleet Cost & Care Software has become.  Requiring basic fleet management vertical systems combined with wireless data transfer was just one aspect of ATCO’s needs.  To get better feel for how diverse this company is one must realize what ATCO does for the people of Aruba its visitors from all over the globe.

ATCO, as a part of MetaCorp, a conglomerate of companies in a wide variety of markets, was incorporated in 1949. At that time mostly active in the transport business for Exxon's Oil Refinery (LAGO), not only transporting regular cargo, but also moving extraordinary cargo such as parts for the expansion of the plant. Over the last fifty years ATCO has constructed what it takes to be a modern leader in the Aruban transport business.

Throughout the last half century ATCO has constructed and maintained a tradition of high quality transportation services on the island." Despite increasing competition, ATCO maintained the edge by using amongst others state of the art, innovative equipment. It is therefore that ATCO introduced the first Roll on Roll off container system in Aruba, enabling container of 40 feet to be transported without the use of chassis.

The Operational division of ATCO is where it all began. Between 1950 and 1975 Associated Transport Company Inc., based its income mainly on transporting bulk cargo for the Lago Oil Refinery.
This division has since then grown into a diversified unit consisting of:


The Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association General Assembly Elects
A New Board for AHATA
A.M. Digital
12/05/2005

Board members voted in are businessman Eduardo de Veer, Renaissance/Meta Corp;[/b] Banker Bill Carson, Caribbean Mercantile Bank; hotelier Scott Allen, Hyatt Regency; Director Peter Steinmetz, Aruba Airport Authority; Public Relations official David Smith, Valero Oil Refinery, Lisette Malmberg, De Palm Tours and hotelier Werner Hein, Occidental Resort.

UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI ALUMNI ASSOCIATION

2005-2006 President's Council Membership

Eduardo De Veer, B.B.A. '64
President and Chief Executive Officer, MetaCorp N.V.
Business/Industry: Hospitality




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 02:11:20 AM
Link for the council above..Very interesting group.. ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www6.miami.edu/alumni/umaa/pc/membership.asp


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 02:15:02 AM
KTF,

Isn't there a registry that will tell you the location of all commercial vessels?

There should be Anna..I believe Schaefer leases the Gulmar Falcon from Gulmar offshore which register's there ships out of Panama.Panama is like Aruba when it comes to hiding businesses..I search each ships name..Still Digging.. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 29, 2009, 02:17:04 AM
Ah, I should have known it would be complicated and not just straight listing by this country. 

Keeeeeeep Digggginggg!

Off to the monkey bunkey, goodnight, all.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 02:20:46 AM
Ah, I should have known it would be complicated and not just straight listing by this country. 

Keeeeeeep Digggginggg!

Off to the monkey bunkey, goodnight, all.



Goodnight Anna!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 02:30:26 AM
Ritz Carlton first five star hotel 20 February 2009
ORANJESTAD - After four years of negotiations, the Aruban government has finally her first five-star hotel, The Ritz-Carlton. The hotel with 320 rooms will come next to the Marriott resort that is also the parent company of this luxurious hotel chain. The 360 million florins investment is officially done by the Venezuelan group Desarrollos Hotelco S.A. that turned out to be the best from a public tender.



Interesting...

Renaissance Curacao Resort and Casino 4 February 2009
Oranjestad - The Renaissance Curacao Resort & Casino is officially open! This week, the resort started receiving guests formally. For the past few days, guests were allowed to check in, but they were part of the trial run. For those that don't know it, Renaissance Curacao Resort & Casino was constructed and will be operated by MetaCorp Aruba. This project carried a price tag of more than US$ 90.000.000 and it has become a magnificent Renaissance that forms part of the World-Renowned Marriott chain. The Curacao branch of the hotel, offers a total of 240 rooms and very elegant, spacious and luxurious suites.


http://www.yellowpages-aruba.com/home/news

The hotel will become the Renaissance Aruba Beach Resort & Casino, a welcomed addition to the Renaissance collection, part of the Marriott hotel group. Marriott brings to the resort 75 years of experience and more that 2000 hotels worldwide. Eduardo de Veer, the owner of Metacorp, which is the parent company of the hotel, will retain its current management.

ATCO
The ATCO story truly tells how diverse Fleet Cost & Care Software has become.  Requiring basic fleet management vertical systems combined with wireless data transfer was just one aspect of ATCO’s needs.  To get better feel for how diverse this company is one must realize what ATCO does for the people of Aruba its visitors from all over the globe.

ATCO, as a part of MetaCorp, a conglomerate of companies in a wide variety of markets, was incorporated in 1949. At that time mostly active in the transport business for Exxon's Oil Refinery (LAGO), not only transporting regular cargo, but also moving extraordinary cargo such as parts for the expansion of the plant. Over the last fifty years ATCO has constructed what it takes to be a modern leader in the Aruban transport business.

Throughout the last half century ATCO has constructed and maintained a tradition of high quality transportation services on the island." Despite increasing competition, ATCO maintained the edge by using amongst others state of the art, innovative equipment. It is therefore that ATCO introduced the first Roll on Roll off container system in Aruba, enabling container of 40 feet to be transported without the use of chassis.

The Operational division of ATCO is where it all began. Between 1950 and 1975 Associated Transport Company Inc., based its income mainly on transporting bulk cargo for the Lago Oil Refinery.
This division has since then grown into a diversified unit consisting of:


The Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association General Assembly Elects
A New Board for AHATA
A.M. Digital
12/05/2005

Board members voted in are businessman Eduardo de Veer, Renaissance/Meta Corp;[/b] Banker Bill Carson, Caribbean Mercantile Bank; hotelier Scott Allen, Hyatt Regency; Director Peter Steinmetz, Aruba Airport Authority; Public Relations official David Smith, Valero Oil Refinery, Lisette Malmberg, De Palm Tours and hotelier Werner Hein, Occidental Resort.

UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI ALUMNI ASSOCIATION

2005-2006 President's Council Membership

Eduardo De Veer, B.B.A. '64
President and Chief Executive Officer, MetaCorp N.V.
Business/Industry: Hospitality




NEW YORK MILITARY ACADEMY

Trustees Emeriti

Mr. Eduardo deVeer '60
Oranjestad, Aruba

http://www.nyma.org/page.cfm?p=268


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 02:47:34 AM
24ora

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/7951/8/

Papiamentu translation:

buskeda of natalee is follow in dam of montserat

saturday, 28 march 2009 - 16:00

as cu can wordo see on the imagennan adhunto, the buskeda of natalee is continua in the dam of montserat. the trip here we can see cu was have participacion of cuerpo of bombero. till still, nothing not owing to wordo achieve. sinembargo so self is busca for see what can come come across cune. click read more for more imagen. come across

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03282009_1_stories_news_2009_march_.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03282009_1__stories_news_2009_ma-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03282009_1__stories_news_2009_ma-2.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03282009_1__stories_news_2009_ma-3.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 02:50:20 AM
24ora

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/7951/8/

Papiamentu translation:

buskeda of natalee is follow in dam of montserat

saturday, 28 march 2009 - 16:00

as cu can wordo see on the imagennan adhunto, the buskeda of natalee is continua in the dam of montserat. the trip here we can see cu was have participacion of cuerpo of bombero. till still, nothing not owing to wordo achieve. sinembargo so self is busca for see what can come come across cune. click read more for more imagen. come across

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03282009_1_stories_news_2009_march_.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03282009_1__stories_news_2009_ma-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03282009_1__stories_news_2009_ma-2.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03282009_1__stories_news_2009_ma-3.jpg)




(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03282009_1__stories_news_2009_ma-5.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03282009_1__stories_news_2009_ma-6.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03282009_1__stories_news_2009_ma-7.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03282009_1__stories_news_2009_ma-8.jpg)





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 03:02:57 AM
Here are the rest of the pictures:  Sorry, but I had to reboot!   ::MonkeyWaa::

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/7951/8/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03282009_1__stories_news_2009_ma-10.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03282009_1__stories_news_2009_ma-11.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03282009_1__stories_news_2009_ma-12.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03282009_1__stories_news_2009_march.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 03:22:22 AM
3/25/2009

http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/displayimage.php?album=67&pos=29

(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/albums/2009/March/Wed25/ChinoL%20%2837%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 03:25:42 AM
Here's something interesting in the Aruba is "One Happy Family"...

Harvey Werleman

Network and System Administrator
Aruba Hospital

(Hospital & Health Care industry)

Currently holds this position

IT
Metacorp NV

(Executive Office industry)

June 2003 — June 2008 (5 years 1 month)

All It related Job




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 03:26:45 AM
Here's something interesting in the Aruba is "One Happy Family"...

Harvey Werleman

Network and System Administrator
Aruba Hospital

(Hospital & Health Care industry)

Currently holds this position

IT
Metacorp NV

(Executive Office industry)

June 2003 — June 2008 (5 years 1 month)

All It related Job




http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/harvey/werleman


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 03:28:20 AM
http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/displayimage.php?album=67&pos=6

Is that a man or woman that's right behind her?   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/albums/2009/March/Wed25/ChinoL%20%2816%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 03:34:24 AM
http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/displayimage.php?album=67&pos=6

Is that a man or woman that's right behind her?   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/albums/2009/March/Wed25/ChinoL%20%2816%29.jpg)

Doesn't matter to Renho..Either way..Just sayin..  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 03:42:28 AM
http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/displayimage.php?album=67&pos=6

Is that a man or woman that's right behind her?   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/albums/2009/March/Wed25/ChinoL%20%2816%29.jpg)

Doesn't matter to Renho..Either way..Just sayin..  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 29, 2009, 03:51:37 AM
Have You seen this posted on Silvetti's Site

http://www.silvettigroup.com/Nat.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 29, 2009, 03:54:09 AM
http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/displayimage.php?album=67&pos=6

Is that a man or woman that's right behind her?   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/albums/2009/March/Wed25/ChinoL%20%2816%29.jpg)

Doesn't matter to Renho..Either way..Just sayin..  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::
I really think Renho needs to invest in some larger clothes...She has alittle hangout going on....Her kids must be Very Proud of the way She dresses... ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 03:58:24 AM
Have You seen this posted on Silvetti's Site

http://www.silvettigroup.com/Nat.html

Yeah.funny you posted that because i was reading an article from the Iberian papaer where Silvetti was saying it wasn't about publicity or name recognition..Something like that..Tehn he posts all that stuff on his website..Hmmmmm...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 03:59:41 AM
Have You seen this posted on Silvetti's Site

http://www.silvettigroup.com/Nat.html

The individual items were there, but not like it is now; and I don't recall Natalee's picture being there either.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 04:00:52 AM
Have You seen this posted on Silvetti's Site

http://www.silvettigroup.com/Nat.html

Yeah.funny you posted that because i was reading an article from the Iberian papaer where Silvetti was saying it wasn't about publicity or name recognition..Something like that..Tehn he posts all that stuff on his website..Hmmmmm...


“Nothing is being done to gain name recognition. This is to help these people,” Silvetti said. “Most of us have watched this on television, and I can only imagine the horror any parent would go through searching for their child in a foreign country.”

http://www.iberianet.com/articles/2007/11/29/news/news/news00.txt


Seems like his webpage contradicts his own statement..You think??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 04:01:33 AM
Renho probably thinks she's sexy with her gut hanging out!  Yuck!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 29, 2009, 04:01:48 AM
Sure John.....I believe every word..... ::MonkeyNoNo::





SPECIAL MESSAGE:
Fri 18-Jan 2335 hrs
We would like to specifically address one comment left on the blog which likely represents the sentiments of many.
“You guys have been out there for quite a long time now... I was really hoping for results by now. I can't help but begin to think she won't be found” -Overwhelming_Sadness

Quoting John Silvetti- Fri 18-Jan 2300 hrs
“It is easy to lose heart if one confuses expectations with hopes and desires. The nature of a marine search, especially one in which the method and disposition of the item you are searching for is unknown, requires a painstakingly slow and methodical disqualification process. The logic is no different than trying to find your car keys. The methodology is: you look where you were recently. We look where it is believed to be, based on evidence or reports. When you and I do not locate what we are looking for in the most logical place, we move on to the next logical place. Ultimately, we both confirm the old saying, “It is always in the last place you look”.
Unknown topography and terrain, combined with large seas have slowed us down but it has not stopped us. We have surveyed and investigated a large area, disqualified most of it, and moved on to an even larger area. At times our progress has been exceedingly fast and slow at other times. We do however, “STAY THE COURSE”....PERSISTENCE.

Our hopes and desires also were to find Natalee before Christmas so we could help bring closure to the Holloway family as our gift to them. Then, we could return home to our families to enjoy the holiday season and hug our children a little tighter... but, it was not meant to be that easy...and we understand.
–John Silvetti.”

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 29, 2009, 04:05:01 AM
Have You seen this posted on Silvetti's Site

http://www.silvettigroup.com/Nat.html

The individual items were there, but not like it is now; and I don't recall Natalee's picture being there either.
I believe that the picture and some of the other was added recently...I don't remember seeing it before now....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 29, 2009, 04:06:43 AM
Renho probably thinks she's sexy with her gut hanging out!  Yuck!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
Like I said before... Shot at and missed and Sh*t at and hit..... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 04:07:25 AM
Have You seen this posted on Silvetti's Site

http://www.silvettigroup.com/Nat.html

The individual items were there, but not like it is now; and I don't recall Natalee's picture being there either.
I believe that the picture and some of the other was added recently...I don't remember seeing it before now....

The pictures and video links were there under media IIRC...I don't remember the link to the blog either.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 04:08:25 AM
Renho probably thinks she's sexy with her gut hanging out!  Yuck!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
Like I said before... Shot at and missed and Sh*t at and hit..... ::MonkeyWink::

Yep, I can agree with that!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 29, 2009, 04:09:39 AM
Have You seen this posted on Silvetti's Site

http://www.silvettigroup.com/Nat.html

Yeah.funny you posted that because i was reading an article from the Iberian papaer where Silvetti was saying it wasn't about publicity or name recognition..Something like that..Tehn he posts all that stuff on his website..Hmmmmm...


“Nothing is being done to gain name recognition. This is to help these people,” Silvetti said. “Most of us have watched this on television, and I can only imagine the horror any parent would go through searching for their child in a foreign country.”

http://www.iberianet.com/articles/2007/11/29/news/news/news00.txt


Seems like his webpage contradicts his own statement..You think??
As KTF would say "Keep talking John that's How We get to know You Better"... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 29, 2009, 04:12:15 AM
Well I hate to leave Good Company but I've got to get some rest....See You Monkeys Later.....Good Night!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 04:13:34 AM
Well I hate to leave Good Company but I've got to get some rest....See You Monkeys Later.....Good Night!  ::MonkeyCool::

GoodNight Hotping!I'm not to far behind!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 04:14:56 AM
Well I'm calling it a night too!  I guess Janet had too much fun with her friends and didn't make it back.

Or maybe she's been lurking just to prove me wrong, since I didn't tell her Good Night!

Good Night Janet!

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

Good Night Hotping and KTF!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 04:15:46 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway.jpg)


TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 04:23:04 AM
Well I'm calling it a night too!  I guess Janet had too much fun with her friends and didn't make it back.

Or maybe she's been lurking just to prove me wrong, since I didn't tell her Good Night!

Good Night Janet!

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

Good Night Hotping and KTF!   ::MonkeyCool::

Goodnight TM!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 04:33:25 AM
Superior Offshore Awarrded Preferred Diving Operations Contractor from Heerema

by Andy Morales

03/20/2007

 Superior Offshore International has been designated the preferred diving operations contractor for Heerema Marine Contractors, or HMC, for work on both the Independence


Heerema is Dutch..Where is that connection???Digging,Digging,Digging.....

I WILL STAY THE COURSE PERSISTENCE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 04:42:21 AM
                           JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

                               GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS

                                       KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Rob on March 29, 2009, 08:55:55 AM
I have no clue how to find bodies - whatta I know - but is blasting the bottom of the pond with a FIRE-HOSE the best method for uncovering "evidence"?

Wouldn't the "evidence" aka as WizardLockCap's missing shoe from when he was a teenager be blown to Bonaire?

Only on Aruba...

and again, whatta I know?

Maybe this is how Heinrich Schliemann uncovered ancient Troy?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 29, 2009, 09:06:09 AM
Good morning Monkeys-

Magnolia and Anna, what great work with the reporter Hale!!! Thank you!!!!

Texasmom, Renfro has what's known as muffin top and it looks like she could benefit from a biore strip across her nose several times over. Why does she always have very young men hugging her?  ::MonkeyWink::

Rob, blown to Bonaire  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Dolce on March 29, 2009, 09:34:21 AM
April 19th 2009

Natalee Holloway

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6FFKx1HfoI&feature=player_embedded


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 29, 2009, 09:52:03 AM
Good morning monks (http://bestsmileys.com/coffee/3.gif) 
A special shout out to FOM (http://bestsmileys.com/waving/5.gif) and to justinsmama.  Long time no "see" justins (http://bestsmileys.com/waving/1.gif)

I so admire ALL of the monkeys that continue to seek justice for Natalee and do their best to help bring Natalee home. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2009, 10:16:18 AM
http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/displayimage.php?album=67&pos=6

Is that a man or woman that's right behind her?   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery2/albums/2009/March/Wed25/ChinoL%20%2816%29.jpg)

Seriously, some people just shouldn't bare their midriff.  Is she pregnant again or is she just out of shape?  I know that's not a nice thing to say but it's the nicest thing I could think of to say about Renfro:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/refrofat.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 29, 2009, 10:28:55 AM
Renho probably thinks she's sexy with her gut hanging out!  Yuck!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Mushroom MUFFIN Top ???   ::MonkeyHaHa:: silly me


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2009, 10:34:24 AM
(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/breaking%20news.gif)


Hende morto haya na Tanki Leendert     
Sunday, 29 March 2009 - 08:17 
 
 
Den oranan tempran di awe mainta, nos reporteronan a wordo dirigi na altura di Tanki Leendert 94, caminda nan lo a haya un hende morto tira den yerba. Fiscal, recherche y tambe team tecnico actualmente ta presente na e sitio, pa asina determina kico por a pasa. Keda pendiente pa mas informacion. Click lesa mas pa imagen...
 
UPDATE: Keto bay instancianan ta na e sitio. Un trahador social tambe a presenta, pero te ainda ningun familiar di e persona tabata tey. For di fuentenan na e sitio, nos por a tende cu aparentemente ta trata aki di un hit and run, pero te ainda no tin confirmacion di esey si por ta trata aki di un accidente of algo premedita. 
 
UPDATE DI ULTIMA ORA: Na e sitio, nos a bin ricibi informe cu e persona ta di sexo masculino, 35 anja di edad, naci na Suriname. Personal di Aurora Funeral Home a tuma e encargo di transporta e curpa pa funeraria. E accidente a tuma lugar den oranan tempran di mainta y por bisa cu ta trata aki di un caso di Hit & Run, segun fuentenan oficial.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/tankileendert.jpg)

person dead achieve at tanki leendert

in oranan early of today morning, we reporteronan owing to wordo dirigi at height of tanki leendert 94, caminda they will owing to achieve a dead throw in grass. fiscal, recherche y also team tecnico actualmente is present at the sitio, for so determina kico can owing to happen. stay pendiente for more informacion. click read more for imagen...

update: keto bay instancianan is at the sitio. one trahador social also owing to present, but till still none familiar of the person was tey. for of fuentenan at the sitio, we can owing to hear cu apparently is deal here of one hit and run, but till still not have confirmacion of esey if can is deal here of one accidente or algo premedita.

update of ultima ora: at the sitio, we owing to come ricibi informe cu the person is of sexo masculino, 35 anja of edad, naci at suriname. personal of aurora funeral home did take the encargo of transporta the curpa for funeraria. the accidente did take lugar in oranan early of morning y can tell cu is deal here of one caso of hit & run, according fuentenan oficial. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Frijole on March 29, 2009, 11:14:57 AM
Thanks for all the updates guys.  I am sure you have discussed this but I have to ask:

Why isn't the DOG doing any searching?  Rhino, the specially trained dog... the reason Golba was asked to return (supposedly)?  He's not even in the photos.

I was wondering about that hose too Rob.  Seems a bit odd to spend all that time draining a pond and then have the same crew blowing water back at it.

Have a good day all!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 29, 2009, 11:37:06 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/KCAJEYUA4CAM06VJACATJM4EFCAMU1WMZCA.jpg)


Peter de Vries a very handsome investigative reporter who should go to Aruba and cover this pond search instead of Julia.

 ::MonkeyDance::

Whow, NICE picture.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 11:39:10 AM
Thanks for all the updates guys.  I am sure you have discussed this but I have to ask:

Why isn't the DOG doing any searching?  Rhino, the specially trained dog... the reason Golba was asked to return (supposedly)?  He's not even in the photos.

I was wondering about that hose too Rob.  Seems a bit odd to spend all that time draining a pond and then have the same crew blowing water back at it.

Have a good day all!

Without watching the videos again I recall two reasons mentioned.  One of the reasons for draining was that it was not safe for Golba to bring the dog in because there were so many poisonous frogs and snakes. (It seems like one more hazardous creature was mentioned but I can't remember it right now)  It was also stated that bones after this long wouldn't emit a scent.  I agree with Anna on that one from the expert that Nancy Grace had on her show.  I believe the bones would only not emit a scent if they were moved from where a body originally decomposed to the pond.  Hope that was a little help.  They showed Rhino waiting in the car.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on March 29, 2009, 11:42:28 AM
Thanks for all the updates guys.  I am sure you have discussed this but I have to ask:

Why isn't the DOG doing any searching?  Rhino, the specially trained dog... the reason Golba was asked to return (supposedly)?  He's not even in the photos.

I was wondering about that hose too Rob.  Seems a bit odd to spend all that time draining a pond and then have the same crew blowing water back at it.

Have a good day all!

Without watching the videos again I recall two reasons mentioned.  One of the reasons for draining was that it was not safe for Golba to bring the dog in because there were so many poisonous frogs and snakes. (It seems like one more hazardous creature was mentioned but I can't remember it right now)  It was also stated that bones after this long wouldn't emit a scent.  I agree with Anna on that one from the expert that Nancy Grace had on her show.  I believe the bones would only not emit a scent if they were moved from where a body originally decomposed to the pond.  Hope that was a little help.  They showed Rhino waiting in the car.


Rhino waiting in the car concerned me as well.  It is too hot there to leave a dog in a car.  I hope that it was very temporary.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 11:42:52 AM

Thanks for the breaking news update Klaas!  I think it was a crazy Saturday night there from some of the things I read late last night.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 29, 2009, 11:43:19 AM
Klaas ... I received an email from Jen Hale.  Can I post it.  I need a quick response ... leaving for church in ten minutes.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 11:44:18 AM
Thanks for all the updates guys.  I am sure you have discussed this but I have to ask:

Why isn't the DOG doing any searching?  Rhino, the specially trained dog... the reason Golba was asked to return (supposedly)?  He's not even in the photos.

I was wondering about that hose too Rob.  Seems a bit odd to spend all that time draining a pond and then have the same crew blowing water back at it.

Have a good day all!

Without watching the videos again I recall two reasons mentioned.  One of the reasons for draining was that it was not safe for Golba to bring the dog in because there were so many poisonous frogs and snakes. (It seems like one more hazardous creature was mentioned but I can't remember it right now)  It was also stated that bones after this long wouldn't emit a scent.  I agree with Anna on that one from the expert that Nancy Grace had on her show.  I believe the bones would only not emit a scent if they were moved from where a body originally decomposed to the pond.  Hope that was a little help.  They showed Rhino waiting in the car.


Rhino waiting in the car concerned me as well.  It is too hot there to leave a dog in a car.  I hope that it was very temporary.

I agree AZSunny, that can't be good for Rhino!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 29, 2009, 11:53:40 AM
Gas drilling close to Aruba 14 November 2008
ORANJESTAD - Venezuela and Russia have started with mutual drillings for gas in sea. One of the fields where they are gong to drill, Cardón III, lies close to Aruba. The Venezuelan company PdVSA and the Russian Gazprom do the exploitation. Almost 190 Venezuelans, Russians, and Americans work on the project Venezuela and Russia close to Aruba.The idea is that also the American Chevron-Texaco participates actively in the project, which is something that Venezuela has promised a few years ago. Chevron-Texaco is coping with the anti-American attitude of the Chavez-government.



The connection has got to be close... ::MonkeyCool::
Great Find KTF....I'm Digging!  ::MonkeyDance::

Here's a pdf published in October, 2008.  It's just informative about oil/gas in the island regions.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Caribbean/pdf.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 29, 2009, 11:54:44 AM
GOOD MORNING ALL!

Janet
9:50 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 29, 2009, 11:56:18 AM
Thanks for all the updates guys.  I am sure you have discussed this but I have to ask:

Why isn't the DOG doing any searching?  Rhino, the specially trained dog... the reason Golba was asked to return (supposedly)?  He's not even in the photos.

I was wondering about that hose too Rob.  Seems a bit odd to spend all that time draining a pond and then have the same crew blowing water back at it.

Have a good day all!

I want to know WHY his arms up to his elbows are not in the mud yet.  And yes where is that dang dog at?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 29, 2009, 11:56:20 AM
Klaas ... I received an email from Jen Hale.  Can I post it.  I need a quick response ... leaving for church in ten minutes.

Thanks

Janet

You can post the body of it, I would think.  If not now, you can do it after church.  Thanks, Janet.  Magnolia received one, as well & posted an abbreviated version of the content.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on March 29, 2009, 12:29:58 PM
Thanks for all the updates guys.  I am sure you have discussed this but I have to ask:

Why isn't the DOG doing any searching?  Rhino, the specially trained dog... the reason Golba was asked to return (supposedly)?  He's not even in the photos.

I was wondering about that hose too Rob.  Seems a bit odd to spend all that time draining a pond and then have the same crew blowing water back at it.

Have a good day all!


(1) Rhino was licking chocolate out of the back seat of the car.
(2) Rhino's scuba gear was too tight.
(3) Rhino had a late night at Julia's playing with squeaky toys.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 12:33:31 PM
(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/breaking%20news.gif)


Hende morto haya na Tanki Leendert     
Sunday, 29 March 2009 - 08:17 
 
 
Den oranan tempran di awe mainta, nos reporteronan a wordo dirigi na altura di Tanki Leendert 94, caminda nan lo a haya un hende morto tira den yerba. Fiscal, recherche y tambe team tecnico actualmente ta presente na e sitio, pa asina determina kico por a pasa. Keda pendiente pa mas informacion. Click lesa mas pa imagen...
 
UPDATE: Keto bay instancianan ta na e sitio. Un trahador social tambe a presenta, pero te ainda ningun familiar di e persona tabata tey. For di fuentenan na e sitio, nos por a tende cu aparentemente ta trata aki di un hit and run, pero te ainda no tin confirmacion di esey si por ta trata aki di un accidente of algo premedita. 
 
UPDATE DI ULTIMA ORA: Na e sitio, nos a bin ricibi informe cu e persona ta di sexo masculino, 35 anja di edad, naci na Suriname. Personal di Aurora Funeral Home a tuma e encargo di transporta e curpa pa funeraria. E accidente a tuma lugar den oranan tempran di mainta y por bisa cu ta trata aki di un caso di Hit & Run, segun fuentenan oficial.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/tankileendert.jpg)

person dead achieve at tanki leendert

in oranan early of today morning, we reporteronan owing to wordo dirigi at height of tanki leendert 94, caminda they will owing to achieve a dead throw in grass. fiscal, recherche y also team tecnico actualmente is present at the sitio, for so determina kico can owing to happen. stay pendiente for more informacion. click read more for imagen...

update: keto bay instancianan is at the sitio. one trahador social also owing to present, but till still none familiar of the person was tey. for of fuentenan at the sitio, we can owing to hear cu apparently is deal here of one hit and run, but till still not have confirmacion of esey if can is deal here of one accidente or algo premedita.

update of ultima ora: at the sitio, we owing to come ricibi informe cu the person is of sexo masculino, 35 anja of edad, naci at suriname. personal of aurora funeral home did take the encargo of transporta the curpa for funeraria. the accidente did take lugar in oranan early of morning y can tell cu is deal here of one caso of hit & run, according fuentenan oficial. come across

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/7953/8/

Update:

person dead achieve at tanki leendert sunday, 29 march 2009 - 08:17 in oranan early of today morning, we reporteronan owing to wordo dirigi at height of tanki leendert 94, caminda they will owing to achieve a dead in grass. fiscal, recherche y also team tecnico was present at the sitio, for so determina kico can owing to happen. update: keto bay instancianan is at the sitio. one trahador social also owing to present, but till still none familiar of the person was tey. for of fuentenan at the sitio, we can owing to hear cu apparently is deal here of one hit and run, but till still not have confirmacion of esey if can is deal here of one accidente or algo premedita. update of ultima ora: at the sitio, we owing to come ricibi informe cu the person is of sexo masculino, 35 anja of edad, naci at suriname. personal of aurora funeral home did take the encargo of transporta the curpa for funeraria. the accidente did take lugar in oranan early of morning y can tell cu is deal here of one caso of hit & run, according fuentenan oficial. the name of the person is santie persad ramaursad employee of speed garage. click read more for more photograph! come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2009, 12:34:54 PM
Klaas ... I received an email from Jen Hale.  Can I post it.  I need a quick response ... leaving for church in ten minutes.

Thanks

Janet

Sorry Janet - I was at the grocery store.  Yes you can post it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 12:35:18 PM
GOOD MORNING ALL!

Janet
9:50 PM PT

Good Morning Janet!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 12:57:55 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/PersistenceHansMosandRichardson.jpg)

I brought Blonde's picture over from the Ocean Search Thread:

The man in the above picture that I believed was Papito Comemencia is NOT him.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/7953/8/

Video at the hit and run scene posted above and pictures from the scene show Papito Comemencia AND the same man that was on board Persistence both on the scene of this recent hit and run.

Now to find out who he is.... ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 29, 2009, 01:16:16 PM
Graucho Marx?   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on March 29, 2009, 01:20:58 PM
Graucho Marx?   ::MonkeyConfused::

No,  he doesn't have a cigar.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 29, 2009, 01:23:23 PM
Graucho Marx?   ::MonkeyConfused::

No,  he doesn't have a cigar.

Ahhh.  So true.  But he has the eyebrows.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 29, 2009, 01:32:28 PM
Thanks for all the updates guys.  I am sure you have discussed this but I have to ask:

Why isn't the DOG doing any searching?  Rhino, the specially trained dog... the reason Golba was asked to return (supposedly)?  He's not even in the photos.

I was wondering about that hose too Rob.  Seems a bit odd to spend all that time draining a pond and then have the same crew blowing water back at it.

Have a good day all!

I want to know WHY his arms up to his elbows are not in the mud yet.  And yes where is that dang dog at?
Unbelievable
Natalee Holloway search continues — Authorities in Aruba are helping a U.S. private investigator search a pond for signs of missing U.S. teen Natalee Holloway despite having no new leads in the case. Firefighters are using a hose to blast mud and debris out of a pond the investigator wants to check for her remains.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/world/story/F8BD81D8394D8B1586257588000FB31F?OpenDocument




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on March 29, 2009, 01:32:36 PM
Graucho Marx?   ::MonkeyConfused::

No,  he doesn't have a cigar.

Ahhh.  So true.  But he has the eyebrows.

He sure does! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 02:47:10 PM
http://tiny.cc/hglRM

Game of life has no clock or comfortable lead

Posted 3/28/2009 8:23 AM CDT

Game of life has no clock or comfortable lead  Did you know that a player in the NCAA basketball tournament is the first cousin and graduated from high school the same year as Natalee Holloway, the young lady who has been missing from Aruba since the summer of 2005?

snip

Rachel continues to endue a family tragedy. According to GameFace, a magazine and website covering Northeast Arkansas sports, "nearly nine hours away from home, Tim and Linda Allison, both former Arkansas State University athletes "dropped their daughter at college May 30, 2005. On the way home, they received the call that their niece Natalee Holloway was missing after a graduation trip to Aruba." Rachel planned to visit with Natalee between summer terms in 2005.

Rather than return home for the second summer term, Allison decided to stay the entire summer and use basketball as a medicinal release.
The website continued: "Praying, hoping, but not knowing about her cousin’s whereabouts was difficult. In her dorm room, she would see her mother in Aruba being interviewed nearly every night on the national news. Away from home for the first time, Allison would come back to her room and cry every night, but would get up each morning and head to the gym.
“ 'I think that basketball for a lot of people is a getaway. I would go out there and play and don’t think about anything, nothing else was on my mind,' Allison admitted. 'I think it is one of the greatest medications. I could have gone home that summer, but at home I would just think about it.
Almost four years later, she still doesn't know what happened to her cousin. Rachel and Natalee were born five months apart and were very close growing up.




http://www.wacotrib.com/sports/content/sports/college/2009/03/29/03292009wacladybears.html

Well runs dry for Lady Bears in Sweet 16 loss to Louisville

Sunday, March 29, 2009

By Brice Cherry

Tribune-Herald staff writer

RALEIGH, N.C. — All year long, the Baylor Lady Bears proved to the nation that they could take a shot and keep on fighting.

“I’ve never coached a team that had to endure more than they have,” Baylor coach Kim Mulkey said.

In their final game, the Lady Bears took plenty of shots — 53 of them — but couldn’t make enough of them to live to fight another day.

snip

But that’s likely not the history anyone will remember about these Lady Bears, who won the Big 12 tournament title and reached the NCAA’s round of 16 for the fourth time in program history in the midst of an adversity-filled season that included the murder of Morghan Medlock’s mother and a season-ending ACL tear to junior center Danielle Wilson.

“The only team that had more wins their senior year was the team that won the national championship, that won 33 basketball games,” Mulkey said. “I said this to them in the locker room, ‘I hope these tears that you’re shedding are because you’re going to miss college athletics, because they’re certainly not going to be because you’re disappointed in your four-year career at Baylor.’ . . . I can’t shed tears, because all I can do is share hugs with them. That’s about the gutsiest team I’ve ever been a part of, and it starts with those three seniors.”

Baylor’s trio of seniors — Jessica Morrow, Jhasmin Player and Rachel Allison — each played her final college game in the loss, but if you talk to BU’s coaches or remaining players, they won’t soon be forgotten.

Allison, for one, inspired her teammates merely by taking the floor against Louisville (32-4). The senior forward injured her left knee and ankle in the last round against South Dakota State, but managed to hobble her way to 16 minutes of playing time Saturday, sticking her nose in the maze of bodies in the lane and pulling down five rebounds in typical, scrappy Allison fashion.

“There was never a doubt I was playing,” Allison said. “As soon as it happened in the South Dakota State game, I was thinking, ‘If we advance, I’m playing, I don’t care. I don’t care what the outcome is.’ ”

“When I saw Rachel go down (against South Dakota State), I was thinking, ‘Crap! What else?’ ” Player said. “But I know Rachel. I don’t care if she tore up everything in both knees and her ankle, she was going to play. I wasn’t surprised at all.”

snip

In Baylor’s locker room after the game, it was evident the Lady Bears were a beaten bunch. Everyone’s eyes were red, no one more so than Player, who sported a long, bloody scratch across her face as a result of a close encounter with McCoughtry.

But give this to the Lady Bears — all year long, no matter the trials that came their way, they kept scratching.

“I’m extremely proud of this basketball team,” Player said. “I think we took some shots that a lot of teams in the country couldn’t take. We took some blows that would knock out more than one or two teams, but we kept playing. We didn’t want to go home.

“We still don’t want to go home, but we’re going home and we lost. We were in a terrible situation with injuries, and we lost to a pretty good basketball team.”


(http://img.coxnewsweb.com/C/06/44/36/image_8536446.jpg)
Louisville's Angel McCoughtry celebrates in front of Baylor's Kelli Griffin (left) and Rachel Allison after scoring a basket in the second half. McCoughtry had 22 points and 12 rebounds to lead the Cardinals. (Associated Press - Sara Davis)

(http://img.coxnewsweb.com/C/04/38/36/image_8536384.jpg)
Baylor players (from left) Rachel Allison, Morghan Medlock and Jessica Morrow sit in their locker room after losing to Louisville in the regional semifinals Saturday in Raleigh, N.C. (Associated Press - Chuck Burton)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 29, 2009, 03:09:33 PM
Thanks for posting that TM.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2009, 03:17:19 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/7968/8/#jc_allComments

Entrevista exclusivo cu Sr.Goldberg cu ta buskando Nathalie     
Sunday, 29 March 2009 - 14:56 



24ora.com a realisa un entrevista extensivo y exclusivo cu Mr.Goldberg cu ta bezig den e dianan aki ta buskando e restonandi Nathalie Holloway. E biaha aki e persona aki a dicidi di cuminsa buska dene dam banda di veld di Nacionalpawak si e lo por encontra cu algo. Nos tin cu bisa cu e buskeda aki ta apeticion di e tata di Nathalie cu t aSr.Dave Holloway y e ta esun cu ta cubriendo tur e gastonan pa e persona aki realisa e buskeda aki. Instancianan cu ta dunando un man den e buskeda aki ta, Search & Rescue, Brandweer, Rode Kruis,Polis. No ta conoci si tin mas grupo ta juda, pero esaki ta esnan cu nos por a compronde cu ta bezig ta duna un man.


I'm downloading the video now  ::MonkeyCool::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 03:25:33 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/7968/8/#jc_allComments

Entrevista exclusivo cu Sr.Goldberg cu ta buskando Nathalie     
Sunday, 29 March 2009 - 14:56 



24ora.com a realisa un entrevista extensivo y exclusivo cu Mr.Goldberg cu ta bezig den e dianan aki ta buskando e restonandi Nathalie Holloway. E biaha aki e persona aki a dicidi di cuminsa buska dene dam banda di veld di Nacionalpawak si e lo por encontra cu algo. Nos tin cu bisa cu e buskeda aki ta apeticion di e tata di Nathalie cu t aSr.Dave Holloway y e ta esun cu ta cubriendo tur e gastonan pa e persona aki realisa e buskeda aki. Instancianan cu ta dunando un man den e buskeda aki ta, Search & Rescue, Brandweer, Rode Kruis,Polis. No ta conoci si tin mas grupo ta juda, pero esaki ta esnan cu nos por a compronde cu ta bezig ta duna un man.


I'm downloading the video now  ::MonkeyCool::
 


Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: ohcanada on March 29, 2009, 03:25:39 PM
off topic but ...sorry
can the girls sitting at the poke tale with natalee
daddy vds and joran......not?.....positively identify
daddy vds


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 03:28:26 PM
Thanks for posting that TM.



Your welcome Magnolia!  I actually wasn't finished with it when I accidentally hit the wrong key and posted it anyway.  So I figured I would leave it as is.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: San on March 29, 2009, 03:30:04 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/7968/8/#jc_allComments

Entrevista exclusivo cu Sr.Goldberg cu ta buskando Nathalie     
Sunday, 29 March 2009 - 14:56 



24ora.com a realisa un entrevista extensivo y exclusivo cu Mr.Goldberg cu ta bezig den e dianan aki ta buskando e restonandi Nathalie Holloway. E biaha aki e persona aki a dicidi di cuminsa buska dene dam banda di veld di Nacionalpawak si e lo por encontra cu algo. Nos tin cu bisa cu e buskeda aki ta apeticion di e tata di Nathalie cu t aSr.Dave Holloway y e ta esun cu ta cubriendo tur e gastonan pa e persona aki realisa e buskeda aki. Instancianan cu ta dunando un man den e buskeda aki ta, Search & Rescue, Brandweer, Rode Kruis,Polis. No ta conoci si tin mas grupo ta juda, pero esaki ta esnan cu nos por a compronde cu ta bezig ta duna un man.


I'm downloading the video now  ::MonkeyCool::
 

Fred doesn't want to make it a media circus.  Maybe he should have shut his fat trap.

Hans Mos allowed him to come there because he has a heart.  He cares about Dave Holloway and he cares about the family.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Dave is having a hard time dealing with the information on this pond.  He talked to him seven times a day the last few months and he wants this pond checked.  Dave is paying for his expense to be there.  All they want to do is confirm or deny this pond.

He said when he came there was crap that started about on the plane.  He felt he had to say something to an American Airlines person about when is a dog on the plane.

Dog has 38 finds under his belt.

San says Fred Golba is FOS.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 29, 2009, 03:33:07 PM
Good Afternoon, All.

What if Natalee's drivers license for example should be in the pond and they blast it with the fire hose?

Just saying . . . . .


Also, TxMom, could it be Jules Sambo?  He shared duties with EC very early until Dompig became the victim of a disinformation campaign.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2009, 03:37:56 PM
Video from today's update in 24ora:

http://www.youtube.com/v/XOG0iRJ2llc&hl=en&fs=1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: San on March 29, 2009, 03:44:16 PM
I can't even look at this guy talk he makes me sick.

He went to say something about Nancy Grace and he said Nancy Disgrace.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: San on March 29, 2009, 03:48:32 PM
Good Afternoon, All.

What if Natalee's drivers license for example should be in the pond and they blast it with the fire hose?

Just saying . . . . .


Also, TxMom, could it be Jules Sambo?  He shared duties with EC very early until Dompig became the victim of a disinformation campaign.


What if he is stepping on evidence and pushing it further into the mud.  This is all unprofessional.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 29, 2009, 03:49:22 PM
He has talked to Dave Holloway seven times a day for months?

That seems a bit of an exaggeration to me.

I thought he had agreed NOT to speak to the media.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2009, 03:49:23 PM
I'm trying to find information on Coast to Coast Canine or Sar or Fred Golba's company.  No luck so far.  Fred says in the video that the company he represents "Coast to Coast Canine" didn't want him to speak to the media.  I was under the impression the company was Fred Golba and his dog? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 03:51:33 PM
Good Afternoon, All.

What if Natalee's drivers license for example should be in the pond and they blast it with the fire hose?

Just saying . . . . .


Also, TxMom, could it be Jules Sambo?  He shared duties with EC very early until Dompig became the victim of a disinformation campaign.



I have a pic somewhere that we thought was Jules Sambo (I found it when trying to identify the "pitbull") ::MonkeyHaHa::

If that pic is Jules Sambo, he's not the guy that I thought was Comemencia.

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 04:00:40 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm trying to help find that company, came across this.

(http://www.narcdogs.com/dogsniff.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 29, 2009, 04:01:17 PM
Good Afternoon, All.

What if Natalee's drivers license for example should be in the pond and they blast it with the fire hose?

Just saying . . . . .


Also, TxMom, could it be Jules Sambo?  He shared duties with EC very early until Dompig became the victim of a disinformation campaign.


What if he is stepping on evidence and pushing it further into the mud.  This is all unprofessional.

My dog, Hudson, and I could do what he is doing.....and we are much cuter. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: San on March 29, 2009, 04:03:06 PM
Good Afternoon, All.

What if Natalee's drivers license for example should be in the pond and they blast it with the fire hose?

Just saying . . . . .


Also, TxMom, could it be Jules Sambo?  He shared duties with EC very early until Dompig became the victim of a disinformation campaign.


What if he is stepping on evidence and pushing it further into the mud.  This is all unprofessional.

My dog, Hudson, and I could do what he is doing.....and we are much cuter. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Frijole on March 29, 2009, 04:03:43 PM
I can't even look at this guy talk he makes me sick.

He went to say something about Nancy Grace and he said Nancy Disgrace.

After listening to that interview I like him even LESS.  You can tell by what he is saying he is sleeping with the enemy.  He's talking about how beautiful the island is, cutting down the press... he would be the PERFECT target for AHATA and ALE to use if they wanted to plant false evidence.  He has no scruples.  He makes me want to vomit.  I hope Dave isn't paying him more than $10 a day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 29, 2009, 04:06:39 PM
I'm trying to find information on Coast to Coast Canine or Sar or Fred Golba's company.  No luck so far.  Fred says in the video that the company he represents "Coast to Coast Canine" didn't want him to speak to the media.  I was under the impression the company was Fred Golba and his dog? 

I found more than one article that said he owns Coast to Coast Canine SAR, but there is a link to Tutor Service Dogs.

http://www.geocities.com/sd_ccsar/index.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 29, 2009, 04:12:56 PM
I can't even look at this guy talk he makes me sick.

He went to say something about Nancy Grace and he said Nancy Disgrace.

After listening to that interview I like him even LESS.  You can tell by what he is saying he is sleeping with the enemy.  He's talking about how beautiful the island is, cutting down the press... he would be the PERFECT target for AHATA and ALE to use if they wanted to plant false evidence.  He has no scruples.  He makes me want to vomit.  I hope Dave isn't paying him more than $10 a day.
I feel bad for both Dave and Beth for all the false hopes and false leads and the way they've been tortured these last years since Natalee's disappearance. And as grueling as this has been, I don't doubt that either parent would do whatever it took to bring their girl home or at least to find out what really happened to her. If they thought it would get them Natalee back, I think they'd dance with the Devil himself. And maybe that's exactly what Dave is doing with this pond search - maybe he's going through yet one more false hope just because he can't NOT track down every single lead. And if this investigator and the Aruban authorities are leading him on a wild goose chase, then they really are devils.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: San on March 29, 2009, 04:13:10 PM
I can't even look at this guy talk he makes me sick.

He went to say something about Nancy Grace and he said Nancy Disgrace.

After listening to that interview I like him even LESS.  You can tell by what he is saying he is sleeping with the enemy.   He's talking about how beautiful the island is, cutting down the press... he would be the PERFECT target for AHATA and ALE to use if they wanted to plant false evidence.  He has no scruples.  He makes me want to vomit.  I hope Dave isn't paying him more than $10 a day.

Exactly.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2009, 04:13:15 PM
I'm trying to find information on Coast to Coast Canine or Sar or Fred Golba's company.  No luck so far.  Fred says in the video that the company he represents "Coast to Coast Canine" didn't want him to speak to the media.  I was under the impression the company was Fred Golba and his dog? 

I found more than one article that said he owns Coast to Coast Canine SAR, but there is a link to Tutor Service Dogs.

http://www.geocities.com/sd_ccsar/index.html



Thanks, we're getting closer:

http://www.volunteermatch.org/search/org9855.jsp

Tutor Service Dogs (TSD)
Organization
 Tutor Service Dogs (TSD)
 (0 reviews)
 
Address
 c/o C. L. Dodge, 75A Wells St #110, Greenfield, MA 01301
 
Contact
 Cynthia L. Dodge
 
Phone
 (413) 774-7618
 
Fax
 (413) 774-7252
 
Website
 http://www.geocities.com/dogsfordisabled/TSD2.html
 
Interest Area
 Advocacy & Human Rights, Animals, Disabled, Environment, International
 

Mission Statement
TSD will provide cost-affective savings for our services when assisting disabled people with locating and training their service dogs. We support equality for inclusion. Our SAR (Search And Rescue) Dept., known as Coast To Coast Search And Rescue, conducts search, rescues and recoveries to local, regional, national and international civilians, government and other agencies. They were among the first to respond when arrived at New York, 9-11 terrorist attacks. Because of Fred's expertise and experience he and his dogs worked around the clock for 21 days staright, with short interval resting periods. As disabled members, we unite in common environments to exercise our civil rights and to maintain a sense of usefulness to ourselves and our communities. TSD helps to improve socialization and protect moral and ethical independence through supporting causes that halt stigmatized "unable to" exponents. We exchanging training techniques and strategies, use of proper etiquette and teach members how to advocated for themselves. Through persistance and understanding shall such knowledge bring hope for us all.

Description
Tutor Service Dogs (TSD) is for all ages, as we also help elderly to acquire companion animals. Professionals help share their knowledge to improve the lives of the mentally and physically disabled. As well as providing services to our SAR Team during and after disasters. We compose newsletters depicting stories, civil rights issues, brochures containing awareness and laws.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 29, 2009, 04:18:14 PM
Link at bottom of the page on the right goes to one just about Goldba.  Seems lots of his searches have been in foreign countries following earthquakes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 29, 2009, 04:19:16 PM
http://www.geocities.com/dogsfordisabled/TSD2.html

I got "page cannot be found"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 29, 2009, 04:21:18 PM
http://www.geocities.com/sd_ccsar/index.html

Try this one then go to bottom of page on the right and click for one just on Goldba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2009, 04:25:45 PM
Link at bottom of the page on the right goes to one just about Goldba.  Seems lots of his searches have been in foreign countries following earthquakes.

Right, thanks Anna - I didn't scroll down that far  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.geocities.com/sd_ccsar/k9.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 29, 2009, 04:30:04 PM
I can't even look at this guy talk he makes me sick.

He went to say something about Nancy Grace and he said Nancy Disgrace.

After listening to that interview I like him even LESS.  You can tell by what he is saying he is sleeping with the enemy.   He's talking about how beautiful the island is, cutting down the press... he would be the PERFECT target for AHATA and ALE to use if they wanted to plant false evidence.  He has no scruples.  He makes me want to vomit.  I hope Dave isn't paying him more than $10 a day.

Exactly.


Yes, it was rather like an ATA/AHATA commercial.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 29, 2009, 04:37:55 PM
Link at bottom of the page on the right goes to one just about Goldba.  Seems lots of his searches have been in foreign countries following earthquakes.

Right, thanks Anna - I didn't scroll down that far  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.geocities.com/sd_ccsar/k9.html

Now, I can't get into any of these geocities links.  Temporarily unavailable...maybe too many hits? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 29, 2009, 04:54:14 PM

I have a feeling that this exclusive media source (Kathy Renolds) a means that Aruba will have complete controll in what the media is fed.  In other words ... Fred Golba is being used by the AHATA as a spokesperson.  Think about it.  Anything Fred says will be accepted as coming from an "American" not the "enemy".

Janet

+++++++

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 157/158


No one is breathing. Or Moving. Reporters and camera people are crying. The media hve been here more than a month, and they’ve seen firsthand what we’ve experienced. They are moved by this plea. But some of the Arubans are not. Calling their local sons “criminals” offends them. Having just heard the prosecuting attorney tell us at least one of the Kalpoes could be involved in whatever happened to my daughter. I felt the term seemed appropriate. But it led to an abrupt change in the tide of support.

… Not long after the “criminals speech,” some Arubans back off their prayer vigils for Natalee. A few protest in the streets against the barage of negative media. We’ve worn out our welcome at the Holiday Inn. And they let us know they’ve had it. The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us.


The Strategic Communications Task Force
June, 2005

Who We Are


The Strategic Communications Task Force is a working group established in Aruba to address the issues surrounding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Task Force includes representatives from AHATA (Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association), ATA (Aruba Tourism Authority), business and government leaders

"The Strategic Communications Task Force’s goal is to stay abreast of all developments in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, verify if information given is truthful and bring forward the correct facts when necessary.  The Task Force also aims to inform the public and media whenever there is information that can be shared and monitor media coverage both locally and internationally in an effort to prevent and minimize any damage to the economic wellbeing of Aruba."

http://www.aruba.com/nholloway/taskforce.htm


BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: iris44 on March 29, 2009, 04:54:33 PM
I cannot believe what I am reading.  Now you are attacking this Golba guy, right while he is deep in the muck searching for Natalee?  And you are accusing him of being in cahoots with ALE, etc.

Do you just prefer that noone searches?

What you have to realize is that anytime that anyone does some seemingly altruistic task, they are getting something out of it.  It could be personal satisfaction, it could be publicity, it could be a billion reasons.

What they don't deserve, IMO, is to be investigated like they are criminals.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 29, 2009, 05:01:35 PM
I cannot believe what I am reading.  Now you are attacking this Golba guy, right while he is deep in the muck searching for Natalee?  And you are accusing him of being in cahoots with ALE, etc.

Do you just prefer that noone searches?

What you have to realize is that anytime that anyone does some seemingly altruistic task, they are getting something out of it.  It could be personal satisfaction, it could be publicity, it could be a billion reasons.

What they don't deserve, IMO, is to be investigated like they are criminals.


Believe it! I call 'em as I see 'em.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: San on March 29, 2009, 05:06:14 PM
I cannot believe what I am reading.  Now you are attacking this Golba guy, right while he is deep in the muck searching for Natalee?  And you are accusing him of being in cahoots with ALE, etc.

Do you just prefer that noone searches?

What you have to realize is that anytime that anyone does some seemingly altruistic task, they are getting something out of it.  It could be personal satisfaction, it could be publicity, it could be a billion reasons.

What they don't deserve, IMO, is to be investigated like they are criminals.


Anyone who says "Hans Mos allowed him to come there because he has a heart.  He cares about Dave Holloway and he cares about the family." is FOS.

What I prefer is that Tim Miller searches.  What I prefer is that they hand over what they discovered at the bottom of the ocean without this farce.

Searching a pond because someone came on a board to post on this forum and has been pestering Dave Holloway.  It just doesn't sound good to me.  I don't put my beliefs in a person who says they solved a riddle.  He was part of this sham all along.

I deal with reality.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 05:09:32 PM
I cannot believe what I am reading.  Now you are attacking this Golba guy, right while he is deep in the muck searching for Natalee?  And you are accusing him of being in cahoots with ALE, etc.

Do you just prefer that noone searches?

What you have to realize is that anytime that anyone does some seemingly altruistic task, they are getting something out of it.  It could be personal satisfaction, it could be publicity, it could be a billion reasons.

What they don't deserve, IMO, is to be investigated like they are criminals.



JMO
I cannot believe that you have the nerve to come here and question anything!   

Read what Julia Renfro has stated about Golba's prior trips to Aruba, READ the statements that Fred Golba has made about Texas Equusearch!  HAVE YOU EVEN WATCHED THE INTERVIEW WE ARE DISCUSSING?  Educate yourself a little more, before you make your misinformed posts!  I don't believe anyone here will wait for your approval on any investigation of anyone or anything.

Maybe you know why Fred Golba is being allowed to search that pond, when IIRC Tim Miller was turned down months ago?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: San on March 29, 2009, 05:11:58 PM
I cannot believe what I am reading.  Now you are attacking this Golba guy, right while he is deep in the muck searching for Natalee?  And you are accusing him of being in cahoots with ALE, etc.

Do you just prefer that noone searches?

What you have to realize is that anytime that anyone does some seemingly altruistic task, they are getting something out of it.  It could be personal satisfaction, it could be publicity, it could be a billion reasons.

What they don't deserve, IMO, is to be investigated like they are criminals.



JMO
I cannot believe that you have the nerve to come here and question anything!   

Read what Julia Renfro has stated about Golba's prior trips to Aruba, READ the statements that Fred Golba has made about Texas Equusearch!  HAVE YOU EVEN WATCHED THE INTERVIEW WE ARE DISCUSSING?  Educate yourself a little more, before you make your misinformed posts!  I don't believe anyone here will wait for your approval on any investigation of anyone or anything.

Maybe you know why Fred Golba is being allowed to search that pond, when IIRC Tim Miller was turned down months ago?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


You said it so much better than me TM.  Thanks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 05:14:08 PM
Would someone please correct my spelling error on Texas Equusearch, and any others you might see that I missed.

I won't make any promise about never asking for help again, since I will probably need help often.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks in advance!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 05:21:09 PM
I cannot believe what I am reading.  Now you are attacking this Golba guy, right while he is deep in the muck searching for Natalee?  And you are accusing him of being in cahoots with ALE, etc.

Do you just prefer that noone searches?

What you have to realize is that anytime that anyone does some seemingly altruistic task, they are getting something out of it.  It could be personal satisfaction, it could be publicity, it could be a billion reasons.

What they don't deserve, IMO, is to be investigated like they are criminals.



JMO
I cannot believe that you have the nerve to come here and question anything!   

Read what Julia Renfro has stated about Golba's prior trips to Aruba, READ the statements that Fred Golba has made about Texas Equusearch!  HAVE YOU EVEN WATCHED THE INTERVIEW WE ARE DISCUSSING?  Educate yourself a little more, before you make your misinformed posts!  I don't believe anyone here will wait for your approval on any investigation of anyone or anything.

Maybe you know why Fred Golba is being allowed to search that pond, when IIRC Tim Miller was turned down months ago?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


You said it so much better than me TM.  Thanks.

I agree with everything you said too San, put both posts together and that pretty much sums it up!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 29, 2009, 05:21:26 PM
One thing's for sure.  If there was anything there, it won't be after being blasted with fire hoses.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 29, 2009, 05:21:38 PM
Video from today's update in 24ora:

http://www.youtube.com/v/XOG0iRJ2llc&hl=en&fs=1

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Does Fred Golba not get it!  The Aruban Law Enforcement which he is upholding has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005.

Fred .... the Aruban investigation is corrupt!!  There is a coverup agenda.  The truth will not be forthcoming through cooperation with the enemy.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 29, 2009, 05:23:02 PM
I cannot believe what I am reading.  Now you are attacking this Golba guy, right while he is deep in the muck searching for Natalee?  And you are accusing him of being in cahoots with ALE, etc.

Do you just prefer that noone searches?

What you have to realize is that anytime that anyone does some seemingly altruistic task, they are getting something out of it.  It could be personal satisfaction, it could be publicity, it could be a billion reasons.

What they don't deserve, IMO, is to be investigated like they are criminals.



JMO
I cannot believe that you have the nerve to come here and question anything!   

Read what Julia Renfro has stated about Golba's prior trips to Aruba, READ the statements that Fred Golba has made about Texas Equusearch!  HAVE YOU EVEN WATCHED THE INTERVIEW WE ARE DISCUSSING?  Educate yourself a little more, before you make your misinformed posts!  I don't believe anyone here will wait for your approval on any investigation of anyone or anything.

Maybe you know why Fred Golba is being allowed to search that pond, when IIRC Tim Miller was turned down months ago?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


You said what I was sitting here thinking.  Thanks, because the words were not flowing for me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on March 29, 2009, 05:31:07 PM
Well, if the reason to be there is because a witness saw someone coming from the pond that night, why does he say Dave has a feeling....someone has an inkling....He makes Dave sound like a psychic....He has to worry about the media...not because they'll twist his words...but because they'll quote him.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 29, 2009, 05:32:03 PM
Isn't it ironic that Golba references "monkey business" at the five-minute mark, not long after calling NG a disgrace? Is he aware he's spending Dave's money to chase down some monkey's posts?

First of all, he could have never boarded that plane with his dog had it not been cleared with AA at security and the gate, that whole crap about someone calling from 38,000 feet is ridiculous. They might have if he was being an issue, to notify the gate and security in Miami of that. Perhaps he was detained when he arrived or given a good talking to, that's what it's beginning to sound like.......

AND if he didn't want media coverage then don't speak to the media, all that whining he did in that video was unprofessional. Just say "NO COMMENT" and get to work Fred !

Find Natalee for us, solve the case, just stop yapping about your opinions.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: San on March 29, 2009, 05:34:18 PM
IT'S SUNDAY AND I KNOW THERE WILL BE ANOTHER SO JUST SITTING HERE AND WAITING.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: San on March 29, 2009, 05:38:01 PM
Isn't it ironic that Golba references "monkey business" at the five-minute mark, not long after calling NG a disgrace? Is he aware he's spending Dave's money to chase down some monkey's posts?

First of all, he could have never boarded that plane with his dog had it not been cleared with AA at security and the gate, that whole crap about someone calling from 38,000 feet is ridiculous. They might have if he was being an issue, to notify the gate and security in Miami of that. Perhaps he was detained when he arrived or given a good talking to, that's what it's beginning to sound like.......

AND if he didn't want media coverage then don't speak to the media, all that whining he did in that video was unprofessional. Just say "NO COMMENT" and get to work Fred !

Find Natalee for us, solve the case, just stop yapping about your opinions.


If you really want attacking here is an attack by San.  I feel ever day he goes out there for a little while and takes his photo op and then calls it a day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 29, 2009, 05:39:22 PM
IT'S SUNDAY AND I KNOW THERE WILL BE ANOTHER SO JUST SITTING HERE AND WAITING.

(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 05:40:32 PM
Isn't it ironic that Golba references "monkey business" at the five-minute mark, not long after calling NG a disgrace? Is he aware he's spending Dave's money to chase down some monkey's posts?

First of all, he could have never boarded that plane with his dog had it not been cleared with AA at security and the gate, that whole crap about someone calling from 38,000 feet is ridiculous. They might have if he was being an issue, to notify the gate and security in Miami of that. Perhaps he was detained when he arrived or given a good talking to, that's what it's beginning to sound like.......

AND if he didn't want media coverage then don't speak to the media, all that whining he did in that video was unprofessional. Just say "NO COMMENT" and get to work Fred !

Find Natalee for us, solve the case, just stop yapping about your opinions.


I noticed that too Nonesuche! 

And here's a little something to go with all that whining!

(http://www.wineandleisure.com/images/cheese.jpg)

 ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: San on March 29, 2009, 05:43:28 PM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/underdog.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 29, 2009, 05:44:39 PM
IT'S SUNDAY AND I KNOW THERE WILL BE ANOTHER SO JUST SITTING HERE AND WAITING.

(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 05:45:18 PM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/underdog.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 29, 2009, 05:46:16 PM
TM that's a lotta cheese  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 05:48:01 PM
TM that's a lotta cheese  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Well, he was doing a good bit of whining, I thought he needed a variety! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 29, 2009, 05:50:48 PM
Yes, I would rather no one search if they are going to hand over the entire proceeds of the search exclusively and only to those who thwarted justice in the first place.

Yes, I would rather no one pretend to have exclusive knowledge to the parents of this missing child when they don't and are making it up day to day.

The pond can't be seen from ANY of the front of those houses so no one saw Joran coming out of the pond.  Only wet that could have happened in any number of locations.

And yes, I would rather a search be conducted in a professional manner such as waiting for the pond to dry as Tim Miller has done in so many instances.  Remember when he called off the search for Caylee Anthony because four wheelers were having to be used and might dam-ange evidence.  I wonder if Tim uses fire hoses in his procedures.  I'd bet not.

And yes, I would prefer the person searching not have such a chummy relationship with those who in the past are the very ones who would not allow for even minimal investigative techniques to be used.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 05:56:05 PM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/underdog.jpg)


HAVE NO FEAR UNDERDOG IS HERE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hello Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 29, 2009, 05:57:40 PM
Anna, so much of this is so difficult to understand, I can't be as vigilant as you are with questions for there is no rational explanation for so much of it, so I'm glad you and others can pursue answers.

How can the dog even step in that mud without sinking?

I don't think I've ever heard of any search team blasting any search area with fire hoses, maybe that's a google opportunity too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 29, 2009, 06:01:50 PM
Widget is that you???? Wow this is a surprise!

How are you?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: San on March 29, 2009, 06:04:26 PM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/underdog.jpg)


HAVE NO FEAR UNDERDOG IS HERE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hello Monkeys

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Hi Widget good to see you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 06:05:34 PM
Widget is that you???? Wow this is a surprise!

How are you?

Hi None ...........

We Are All Doing Fine .....

How Might You Be ....




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2009, 06:06:36 PM
Widget - good to see you!  Wow...long time no see!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 06:07:11 PM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/underdog.jpg)


HAVE NO FEAR UNDERDOG IS HERE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hello Monkeys

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Hi Widget good to see you.

Hello San My Friend ..........

Hope All Is Well With You ..........

Good To See Y'All ..........



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 06:08:11 PM


Good to see you WidgetTheMidget!   ::MonkeyCool:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 06:08:39 PM
Widget - good to see you!  Wow...long time no see!

Hi Klaas .........

Good To See You Too ..........

Its Been A Long Time ..........



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 29, 2009, 06:09:10 PM
Widget is that you???? Wow this is a surprise!

How are you?

Hi None ...........

We Are All Doing Fine .....

How Might You Be ....




I'm good, heading out on travel with work tomorrow but we're holding our own, kids healthy and strong.

How's your wife and those beautiful girls? It's great to have you back !


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 29, 2009, 06:13:37 PM
::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm trying to help find that company, came across this.

(http://www.narcdogs.com/dogsniff.jpg)

OMG, this is priceless TM.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 29, 2009, 06:16:17 PM
Widget - good to see you!  Wow...long time no see!

Hi Klaas .........

Good To See You Too ..........

Its Been A Long Time ..........



Wow, I walked away for a little bit and Widget is here.  Wondered where you've been, too. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 06:17:28 PM


Good to see you WidgetTheMidget!   ::MonkeyCool:: 

Hi texasmom ..........

Good To See You Also .........



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 06:18:39 PM
WidgetTheMidget,
While you're here, do you mind posting a summary of your research about Anita VDS' flight home from Holland the week of Natalee's disappearance?

I've looked back at your posts many times regarding this.  But it's been a while since I've read them.  IIRC, you may believe that the younger VDS son's were possibly traveling with her?

Thanks in advance!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 06:21:13 PM
Widget is that you???? Wow this is a surprise!

How are you?

Hi None ...........










We Are All Doing Fine .....

How Might You Be ....




I'm good, heading out on travel with work tomorrow but we're holding our own, kids healthy and strong.

How's your wife and those beautiful girls? It's great to have you back !

The Girls Are Little Ladies Now .....

They Have Grown Up Too Fast ........

Maya Is Doing Fine ...........

Its Good To Be Back ..........



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 29, 2009, 06:22:20 PM
Yes, I would rather no one search if they are going to hand over the entire proceeds of the search exclusively and only to those who thwarted justice in the first place.

Yes, I would rather no one pretend to have exclusive knowledge to the parents of this missing child when they don't and are making it up day to day.

The pond can't be seen from ANY of the front of those houses so no one saw Joran coming out of the pond.  Only wet that could have happened in any number of locations.

And yes, I would rather a search be conducted in a professional manner such as waiting for the pond to dry as Tim Miller has done in so many instances.  Remember when he called off the search for Caylee Anthony because four wheelers were having to be used and might dam-ange evidence.  I wonder if Tim uses fire hoses in his procedures.  I'd bet not.

And yes, I would prefer the person searching not have such a chummy relationship with those who in the past are the very ones who would not allow for even minimal investigative techniques to be used.

Don't worry, there is nothing in that pond.  IF it is then it was planted by ALE after removing the remains from that cage. JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 06:23:00 PM
Widget - good to see you!  Wow...long time no see!

Hi Klaas .........

Good To See You Too ..........

Its Been A Long Time ..........



Wow, I walked away for a little bit and Widget is here.  Wondered where you've been, too. 

Hey 2 NJS ...........

Good To See Ya .........



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 29, 2009, 06:24:25 PM
Widget is that you???? Wow this is a surprise!

How are you?

Hi None ...........










We Are All Doing Fine .....

How Might You Be ....




I'm good, heading out on travel with work tomorrow but we're holding our own, kids healthy and strong.

How's your wife and those beautiful girls? It's great to have you back !

The Girls Are Little Ladies Now .....

They Have Grown Up Too Fast ........

Maya Is Doing Fine ...........

Its Good To Be Back ..........



Welcome back Widget, I'm glad to hear your family is thriving, that's great news !



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 06:25:25 PM
Yes, I would rather no one search if they are going to hand over the entire proceeds of the search exclusively and only to those who thwarted justice in the first place.

Yes, I would rather no one pretend to have exclusive knowledge to the parents of this missing child when they don't and are making it up day to day.

The pond can't be seen from ANY of the front of those houses so no one saw Joran coming out of the pond.  Only wet that could have happened in any number of locations.

And yes, I would rather a search be conducted in a professional manner such as waiting for the pond to dry as Tim Miller has done in so many instances.  Remember when he called off the search for Caylee Anthony because four wheelers were having to be used and might dam-ange evidence.  I wonder if Tim uses fire hoses in his procedures.  I'd bet not.

And yes, I would prefer the person searching not have such a chummy relationship with those who in the past are the very ones who would not allow for even minimal investigative techniques to be used.

Don't worry, there is nothing in that pond.  IF it is then it was planted by ALE after removing the remains from that cage. JMO

The Trail Is Long Time Cold ...........

The Only Trail Is To Abduct The Piece Of Shit ...........

Put A Couple Of Bullets In His Knees ...........

And We Will Know The WHOLE Story .............



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 29, 2009, 06:27:17 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Widget, I'd swear you were related to San.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 29, 2009, 06:37:32 PM
::MonkeyHaHa::  Widget, I'd swear you were related to San.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: indeed


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 29, 2009, 06:39:37 PM
::MonkeyHaHa::  Widget, I'd swear you were related to San.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: indeed

I made that post and got bumped right out of here!!   ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 29, 2009, 06:40:47 PM
::MonkeyHaHa::  Widget, I'd swear you were related to San.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: indeed

I made that post and got bumped right out of here!!   ::MonkeyShocked::

so did San  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 06:41:40 PM
::MonkeyHaHa::  Widget, I'd swear you were related to San.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: indeed

I made that post and got bumped right out of here!!   ::MonkeyShocked::

I've been locked out too!   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 06:42:37 PM
WidgetTheMidget,
While you're here, do you mind posting a summary of your research about Anita VDS' flight home from Holland the week of Natalee's disappearance?

I've looked back at your posts many times regarding this.  But it's been a while since I've read them.  IIRC, you may believe that the younger VDS son's were possibly traveling with her?

Thanks in advance!

There Was More Than 1 Vandershit On That Plane ............

The Manifest Log Stated 2 Vandershits .............



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: San on March 29, 2009, 06:43:29 PM
::MonkeyHaHa::  Widget, I'd swear you were related to San.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: indeed

I made that post and got bumped right out of here!!   ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 06:43:39 PM
::MonkeyHaHa::  Widget, I'd swear you were related to San.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: indeed





I made that post and got bumped right out of here!!   ::MonkeyShocked::

I've been locked out too!   ::MonkeyWaa::

We All Did The Bump Together ..........


Edit - Fixed Widget's post.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 06:46:11 PM
::MonkeyHaHa::  Widget, I'd swear you were related to San.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: indeed

I made that post and got bumped right out of here!!   ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

It Looks Like Visa & Mastercard Will Be Bailed Out Before Christmas ........



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 29, 2009, 06:47:01 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Widget great to have you back, tell it like it is. I wonder how Paulus and Anita feel now about his stated aspirations to be in international business, does pimping in Thailand qualify?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 06:48:16 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/7970/8/

buskeda owing to follow in end of week in dam for natalee holloway his restonan

sunday, 29 march 2009 - 17:27

the buskeda in the dam of monserat owing to follow y the will follow also in the dianan we fast. so 24ora.com can owing to confirma also of fred golba that is dirigiendo the buskeda for see if can achieve cualkier evidencia cu can conduci at confirmacion of the restonan of natalee holloway. click read more for more info... personal of cruz corra y also sarfa was present y owing to descend in the dam canando in the mud for see if can come across cu cualkier material. enough material owing to wordo achieve y is saca photograph of they for after entrega thing kizas is necesario for investigacion at miembronan of cuerpo policial. according fred golba the buskeda will follow y is follow saca more water for of cierto area in the dam. also bomberonan owing to help cu presion of water where owing to busca form of bay one bit more deep cu the buskeda. on the fotonan of 24ora.com can achieve one idea of the buskeda. come across

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03292009_dam1_DAM2.jpg)


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03292009_dam1_DAM23.jpg)

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(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03292009_dam1_DAM26.jpg)

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 29, 2009, 06:50:25 PM
Nice pictures of them with their a** in the air.    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 29, 2009, 06:53:26 PM
NJ Mom  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Anna looks like Fred's in charge of the fire hose in that last photo......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 06:55:09 PM
WidgetTheMidget,
While you're here, do you mind posting a summary of your research about Anita VDS' flight home from Holland the week of Natalee's disappearance?

I've looked back at your posts many times regarding this.  But it's been a while since I've read them.  IIRC, you may believe that the younger VDS son's were possibly traveling with her?

Thanks in advance!

There Was More Than 1 Vandershit On That Plane ............

The Manifest Log Stated 2 Vandershits .............



Thanks MidgetTheWidget! 

So we have no idea who the other Vandershit was?  When we've discussed this before someone mentioned that it may have been another relative...not in the immediate family (iirc, an aunt was mentioned).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 06:56:41 PM
Nice pictures of them with their a** in the air.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

I know!  At least no "buttcrack alerts" were necessary!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 29, 2009, 07:04:25 PM
THE FINALE TO THE GREAT ARUBAN COVERUP


A Theory in a Nutshell


The ROV images along with Kyle Kingman's own words are the backup required to support the contention that .... Natalee Holloway's remains were taken from the trap by the Aruban's on January 7, 2008 and ... planted in the pond.

Think about it.  IF the origin of where Natalee Holloway's remains were discovered ... the trap ... was revealed ... the implication would be that others beside Joran were involved in the disposal of Natalee Holloway's remains.

However ... the discovery of Natalee Holloway's remains along with the testimony of the witness ... implies that the case can comes to a conclusion with only implicating Joran in the disposal and ... Paulus after the fact.  Keep it simple!

Justice implies that Joran will receive a slap on the wrist.  He was a minor on May 30, 2005.

Paulus' lie regarding his contention that he did not pickup up Joran on the morning of May 30, 2005 at MacDonald's ... is not considered a felony under Aruban law.

Case Closed!

Janet

++++++


‘The Abrams Report’ for June 30
updated 10:30 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 1, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: Well basically obstruction of justice is a criminal offense in our criminal code. However, there is an exoneration for family members in the first degree. So in the case of Mr. Van der Sloot it would not apply.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8430777


Growing Frustration in Aruba
Wednesday, July 06, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY:
... But there's something that really bothers me, and I don't think I've made any secrets about it, I've kept a journal of everything everyone said, what day, timeframes. And there's something that really has been bothering me as I read over and over my journal, is I know on the 31st that Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked Joran up at 4 a.m. at McDonald's. It was also said to me by a police spokesperson on June 16 and June 17 that Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked up Joran at 4 a.m. on the 31st at McDonald's. But I noticed on the day that I visited Paul van der Sloot at his home, all of a sudden, it was changed to 11 p.m.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161705,00.html


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 29, 2009, 07:05:05 PM
Yes, I would rather no one search if they are going to hand over the entire proceeds of the search exclusively and only to those who thwarted justice in the first place.

Yes, I would rather no one pretend to have exclusive knowledge to the parents of this missing child when they don't and are making it up day to day.

The pond can't be seen from ANY of the front of those houses so no one saw Joran coming out of the pond.  Only wet that could have happened in any number of locations.

And yes, I would rather a search be conducted in a professional manner such as waiting for the pond to dry as Tim Miller has done in so many instances.  Remember when he called off the search for Caylee Anthony because four wheelers were having to be used and might dam-ange evidence.  I wonder if Tim uses fire hoses in his procedures.  I'd bet not.

And yes, I would prefer the person searching not have such a chummy relationship with those who in the past are the very ones who would not allow for even minimal investigative techniques to be used.

Don't worry, there is nothing in that pond.  IF it is then it was planted by ALE after removing the remains from that cage. JMO

The Trail Is Long Time Cold ...........

The Only Trail Is To Abduct The Piece Of Shit ...........

Put A Couple Of Bullets In His Knees ...........

And We Will Know The WHOLE Story .............


Hi Widget, I remember you from early on-----I like your style with words. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 07:07:11 PM

Thank you Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 29, 2009, 07:09:34 PM
Janet,

Did you decide against posting the email from Ms. Hale?  Just curious.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 07:10:37 PM
Yes, I would rather no one search if they are going to hand over the entire proceeds of the search exclusively and only to those who thwarted justice in the first place.

Yes, I would rather no one pretend to have exclusive knowledge to the parents of this missing child when they don't and are making it up day to day.

The pond can't be seen from ANY of the front of those houses so no one saw Joran coming out of the pond.  Only wet that could have happened in any number of locations.

And yes, I would rather a search be conducted in a professional manner such as waiting for the pond to dry as Tim Miller has done in so many instances.  Remember when he called off the search for Caylee Anthony because four wheelers were having to be used and might dam-ange evidence.  I wonder if Tim uses fire hoses in his procedures.  I'd bet not.

And yes, I would prefer the person searching not have such a chummy relationship with those who in the past are the very ones who would not allow for even minimal investigative techniques to be used.

Don't worry, there is nothing in that pond.  IF it is then it was planted by ALE after removing the remains from that cage. JMO

The Trail Is Long Time Cold ...........

The Only Trail Is To Abduct The Piece Of Shit ...........

Put A Couple Of Bullets In His Knees ...........

And We Will Know The WHOLE Story .............


Hi Widget, I remember you from early on-----I like your style with words. ::MonkeyWink::

Me too, hope I didn't run him off with all my questions!   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 29, 2009, 07:10:54 PM
Hi Widget, long time no "see".  Glad you're here. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 07:13:14 PM
Yes, I would rather no one search if they are going to hand over the entire proceeds of the search exclusively and only to those who thwarted justice in the first place.

Yes, I would rather no one pretend to have exclusive knowledge to the parents of this missing child when they don't and are making it up day to day.

The pond can't be seen from ANY of the front of those houses so no one saw Joran coming out of the pond.  Only wet that could have happened in any number of locations.

And yes, I would rather a search be conducted in a professional manner such as waiting for the pond to dry as Tim Miller has done in so many instances.  Remember when he called off the search for Caylee Anthony because four wheelers were having to be used and might dam-ange evidence.  I wonder if Tim uses fire hoses in his procedures.  I'd bet not.

And yes, I would prefer the person searching not have such a chummy relationship with those who in the past are the very ones who would not allow for even minimal investigative techniques to be used.

Don't worry, there is nothing in that pond.  IF it is then it was planted by ALE after removing the remains from that cage. JMO

The Trail Is Long Time Cold ...........

The Only Trail Is To Abduct The Piece Of Shit ...........

Put A Couple Of Bullets In His Knees ...........

And We Will Know The WHOLE Story .............


Hi Widget, I remember you from early on-----I like your style with words. ::MonkeyWink::

Hey Blue Moon

The Time For Researching Is Done ..........

The Time For Action Has Come ..........

For $100 In Thailand You Can Have Jorans Head On A Platter ..........

But We Dont Want Him Dead ........

We Just Want To Hurt Him A Little .......



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 07:14:21 PM
Hi Widget, long time no "see".  Glad you're here. 

Hi MuffyBee

Good To See You ..........



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2009, 07:15:53 PM
Yesterday's NG:

http://www.youtube.com/v/sEO10mw2DNY&hl=en&fs=1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 29, 2009, 07:17:29 PM
Janet,

Did you decide against posting the email from Ms. Hale?  Just curious.

Not at all.  I was just catching up and ... saw Klaas' OK.  I will post it in a minute.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 29, 2009, 07:17:54 PM
NJ Mom  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Anna looks like Fred's in charge of the fire hose in that last photo......

WHEN is he going to stick those arms in the mud?  I expected more than this out of him and his wonder dog.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: San on March 29, 2009, 07:18:19 PM
THE FINALE TO THE GREAT ARUBAN COVERUP


A Theory in a Nutshell


The ROV images along with Kyle Kingman's own words are the backup required to support the contention that .... Natalee Holloway's remains were taken from the trap by the Aruban's on January 7, 2008 and ... planted in the pond.

Think about it.  IF the origin of where Natalee Holloway's remains were discovered ... the trap ... was revealed ... the implication would be that others beside Joran were involved in the disposal of Natalee Holloway's remains.

However ... the discovery of Natalee Holloway's remains along with the testimony of the witness ... implies that the case can comes to a conclusion with only implicating Joran in the disposal and ... Paulus after the fact.  Keep it simple!

Justice implies that Joran will receive a slap on the wrist.  He was a minor on May 30, 2005.

Paulus' lie regarding his contention that he did not pickup up Joran on the morning of May 30, 2005 at MacDonald's ... is not considered a felony under Aruban law.

Case Closed!

Janet

++++++


This is why people get mad when we question what they are doing.  They don't want us to question what the truth is only that the remains will be found.

If in fact her remains are found this is exactly how it will happen.  Mos has said many times Joran is a liar.  Nothing will happen to any of the suspects.  The Kalpoes will be in the clear because the King Liar himself said the Kalpoes had nothing to do with it.  The King Liar himself made up a name "Daury" for his father so Paulus won't be implicated.

Aruba will say we did our part now you hold true to your part and leave us alone regarding this case.

Will the case really close?  If they do will they give up all the documents to John Q. Kelly.

Will the Dr. Phil case go to trial?  Will the Kalpoes take the stand.  Will the Kalpoes drop the case?

Will the lies will ever stop?

QUESTIONS QUESTIONS QUESTIONS.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 29, 2009, 07:22:46 PM
Janet,

Did you decide against posting the email from Ms. Hale?  Just curious.

Not at all.  I was just catching up and ... saw Klaas' OK.  I will post it in a minute.

Janet

Hotmail is temporarily down.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 07:24:19 PM
Janet,

Did you decide against posting the email from Ms. Hale?  Just curious.

Not at all.  I was just catching up and ... saw Klaas' OK.  I will post it in a minute.

Janet

Hotmail is temporarily down.

Janet

 ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 29, 2009, 07:29:39 PM
Janet,

Did you decide against posting the email from Ms. Hale?  Just curious.

Not at all.  I was just catching up and ... saw Klaas' OK.  I will post it in a minute.

Janet

Hotmail is temporarily down.

Janet

Thanks, Janet.  No rush.  We're not going anywhere.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 29, 2009, 07:36:47 PM
Considering Dave Holloway and Tim Miller at one time upheld the witness who allegedly passed two polygraph tests ... why are these two men skeptical in regards to a positive outcome in current pond seach by Fred Golba.

Could it be that these two men are aware of Kyle Kingman's own words ... words which imply that Natalee Holloway's remains could have been placed in that trap discovered on the ocean floor in Aruban waters through a sonar scan on December 29, 2007?  Could it be that these two men are aware that John Silvetti afforded possession of the contents of that trap to the enemy unchallenged.

Janet

+++++


Natalee Holloway update: potential problems for search parties bound for Aruba
By Jen Hale
Reporter and weekend anchor
Published: March 25, 2009


Miller doesn’t think there’s much chance Natalee’s remains are in the pond Golba plans to spend the next two weeks searching.

"This is just putting on a show as far as I’m concerned ... “ warns Miller.

http://www.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/article/natalee_holloway_update_potential_problems_for_search_parties_bound_for_aru/65265/


Published: March 24, 2009 11:17 pm         
Search for Holloway continues
Father trying to cover all the possibilities
By Brian Livingston


Holloway said he had been waiting for the water level of the retention pond to go down before commissioning this latest search.

"I told the prosecutor I didn't have a great deal of confidence in this latest search," said Holloway. "But the pond is scheduled to be dredged soon and I was concerned if she is there then the dredging may destroy any hopes of finding her. The bottom line is you never know and I didn't want to say later on that, 'maybe I should have at least tried.'"

http://www.meridianstar.com/local/local_story_084001809.html




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 29, 2009, 07:44:19 PM
The red highlight is my doing.

Janet

++++++

Janet:

Texas Equusearch Dispels Media Reports Concerning Natalle Holloway Case
Posted on 26. Mar, 2009 by Admin, TES in Featured Articles, Press Releases, TES News


Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch is working hard to dispel media reports concerning the Natalee Holloway case.  Reports have surfaced today that Texas EquuSearch has collected $1.5 million to continue the search for Natalee, which is entirely untrue.

Also untrue is the report that Tim was traveling to Aruba with Fred Golba.  This has not been the first time that media has printed false reports regarding TES cases, to include the Caylee Anthony case.

This is the worst year financially for Texas EquuSearch since it began.  We are struggling on a daily basis to try to meet the needs of families across the country that are begging for help.  In these tough economic times, this false, irresponsible reporting could have a very negative impact on our ability to raise funds which go to serve families of the missing” said Miller.  “When the public hear that we have raised that large amount of money to dedicate to one search, they are not going to be willing to donate to our cause of finding missing people.  We are at a point of not being able to support the families that really need us, and when something like this happens, it is just devastating”. “We would not even attempt to raise that amount of money for just one case with so many families awaiting our help.
 
<SNIPPED>

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/03/hollowaycase/


Jen Hale:[/b]

Dear Janet,
 
I have indeed spoken with Tim about the announcement on his website. It is very odd --- as that information is exactly what he told me. I don't know if you are in the Birmingham area, but he did a phone interview with us where he laid out the search, the boat, the price tag and said it would all happen in the next few months. He told viewers that himself on our air. I am horribly sorry if that has hurt donations or caused large donors to pull back...which is why I have taken the article off of our website. I have considered putting the whole phone interview on the internet to somehow vindicate myself so to speak, as I know people are upset.... but after speaking with Tim, he is convinced this whole thing has hurt donations, and I would never want to damage the chances of someone finding their loved one. I hope he will consider doing another interview and clarifying, but we'll just have to see how that turns out.
 
Thank you for your time and interest,
 
Warm Regards,
Jennifer Hale


Janet:

Jen ... thank you for your heartfelt response.  It was appreciated.
 
BTW ...  Please stop and consider the following article quoting Julie Renfro when using her as a source for your reporting.  It is the contention of many who have followed the Natalee Holloway case since the getgo that Julia Renfro has an agenda.  Her agenda appears to be an effort to further the Aruban coverup that has denied justice to Natalee Holloway since the getgo by redirecting the focus and subtlely casting doubt on Beth Holloway's every word, action and motivation as well as Natalee's character.
 
Julia Renfro also upholds the main suspects who have lied time and time again in regards to the last moments they were in the company of the 18 year old American citizen who never returned from a graduation trip to Aruba.
 
Tim Miller?  Jen ... I do believe there is a solid foundation for your reporting.  I believe that Tim Miller slipped up.  Think about it.  In the posting on his website ...Tim Miller does not deny a continuing ocean search for Natalee Holloway's remains is going to happen ... he just wants to distance himself from the 1.5 million in donations.  Could it be those funds were donated to John Silvetti ... the owner of the boat which is moored in Trinidad.
 
I believe you should post the transcript of Tim Miller's words.
 
Again ... thank you for your response.
 
Sincerely
 
Janet


Jen Hale:

Thank you! I appreciate your concern and dedication to Natalee's case.
 
God Bless,
Jennifer Hale


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 29, 2009, 07:46:50 PM
Ritz Carlton first five star hotel 20 February 2009
ORANJESTAD - After four years of negotiations, the Aruban government has finally her first five-star hotel, The Ritz-Carlton. The hotel with 320 rooms will come next to the Marriott resort that is also the parent company of this luxurious hotel chain. The 360 million florins investment is officially done by the Venezuelan group Desarrollos Hotelco S.A. that turned out to be the best from a public tender.



Interesting...

Renaissance Curacao Resort and Casino 4 February 2009
Oranjestad - The Renaissance Curacao Resort & Casino is officially open! This week, the resort started receiving guests formally. For the past few days, guests were allowed to check in, but they were part of the trial run. For those that don't know it, Renaissance Curacao Resort & Casino was constructed and will be operated by MetaCorp Aruba. This project carried a price tag of more than US$ 90.000.000 and it has become a magnificent Renaissance that forms part of the World-Renowned Marriott chain. The Curacao branch of the hotel, offers a total of 240 rooms and very elegant, spacious and luxurious suites.


http://www.yellowpages-aruba.com/home/news

The hotel will become the Renaissance Aruba Beach Resort & Casino, a welcomed addition to the Renaissance collection, part of the Marriott hotel group. Marriott brings to the resort 75 years of experience and more that 2000 hotels worldwide. Eduardo de Veer, the owner of Metacorp, which is the parent company of the hotel, will retain its current management.

ATCO
The ATCO story truly tells how diverse Fleet Cost & Care Software has become.  Requiring basic fleet management vertical systems combined with wireless data transfer was just one aspect of ATCO’s needs.  To get better feel for how diverse this company is one must realize what ATCO does for the people of Aruba its visitors from all over the globe.

ATCO, as a part of MetaCorp, a conglomerate of companies in a wide variety of markets, was incorporated in 1949. At that time mostly active in the transport business for Exxon's Oil Refinery (LAGO), not only transporting regular cargo, but also moving extraordinary cargo such as parts for the expansion of the plant. Over the last fifty years ATCO has constructed what it takes to be a modern leader in the Aruban transport business.

Throughout the last half century ATCO has constructed and maintained a tradition of high quality transportation services on the island." Despite increasing competition, ATCO maintained the edge by using amongst others state of the art, innovative equipment. It is therefore that ATCO introduced the first Roll on Roll off container system in Aruba, enabling container of 40 feet to be transported without the use of chassis.

The Operational division of ATCO is where it all began. Between 1950 and 1975 Associated Transport Company Inc., based its income mainly on transporting bulk cargo for the Lago Oil Refinery.
This division has since then grown into a diversified unit consisting of:


The Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association General Assembly Elects
A New Board for AHATA
A.M. Digital
12/05/2005

Board members voted in are businessman Eduardo de Veer, Renaissance/Meta Corp;[/b] Banker Bill Carson, Caribbean Mercantile Bank; hotelier Scott Allen, Hyatt Regency; Director Peter Steinmetz, Aruba Airport Authority; Public Relations official David Smith, Valero Oil Refinery, Lisette Malmberg, De Palm Tours and hotelier Werner Hein, Occidental Resort.



KTF!  What do you want to bet Eduardo and Silvetti are in each others cell phones?

Great work!!


I'm so far behind!  I've been in Cincinnati since Thursday (indoor waterpark fun  ::MonkeyHaHa::  and the zoo, it's a good one!) Anyway, I have tried to read and keep up, but you guys are moving fast! 

I can't wait to find out what happens with Jen Hale! 

Monkeys Rock!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 29, 2009, 07:46:50 PM
The following is the article I included as backup to my contention concerning Julia Renfro.

Janet

++++

Originally published June 9, 2007 at 12:00 AM | Page modified June 9, 2007 at 2:02 AM

As missing-teen case cools, Aruba turns against family

Arubans helped search for the Alabama high-schooler, who disappeared two years ago, but now they're embittered by the negative publicity.

By Carol J. Williams
Los Angeles Times


American Julia Renfro, editor-in-chief of Aruba Today, initially sided with Holloway's parents when they sought publicity and lambasted Aruban police for following Dutch investigative procedures different from those in the United States.

Galvanized by compassion for a desperate mother, Renfro stopped the presses of her daily newspaper for the first time in its history to include a picture of Holloway to aid Arubans in the islandwide search.
 
Renfro, a mother of four, spent weeks shuttling the family from the scene of one rumored development to another, but she became disenchanted with what she saw as Twitty's pandering to tabloid TV and "flat-out lies" she told on the air.
 
"I feel guilty saying any negative thing about a mother who has lost her daughter," Renfro said. "But her behavior was odd from the get-go."
 
Renfro has concluded that the body would have turned up by now if she died on the island proper. She -- and many Arubans -- doubts the three suspects, all good students without criminal records, could have pulled off a perfect crime, never caving in to intense interrogations.
 
"I've spoken with all of the suspects," she said. "I don't believe any of them did anything to her."
 
Heavily intoxicated, according to accounts given by her classmates to the FBI, Holloway could have staggered into the sea and drowned after the local men left her, Renfro speculated.
 
Holloway might have died of alcohol poisoning or a drug overdose and washed out to sea, as Deputy Police Chief Gerold Dompig surmised. She might have climbed aboard one of dozens of catamarans and cabin cruisers for late-night partying after a nearby concert.
 
Renfro says she was perplexed when Twitty immediately concluded that her daughter had been kidnapped and made no effort to check hospitals or police about accident victims. Within hours, Twitty had concluded van der Sloot was responsible, and within a couple of days she was telling TV interviewers that she knew her daughter had been gang-raped and murdered.
 
Twitty did not respond to e-mailed requests for an interview.
 
The Seattle Times
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003741183_aruba09.html
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 29, 2009, 07:56:37 PM

The Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association General Assembly Elects
A New Board for AHATA
A.M. Digital
12/05/2005

Board members voted in are businessman Eduardo de Veer, Renaissance/Meta Corp;[/b] Banker Bill Carson, Caribbean Mercantile Bank; hotelier Scott Allen, Hyatt Regency; Director Peter Steinmetz, Aruba Airport Authority; Public Relations official David Smith, Valero Oil Refinery, Lisette Malmberg, De Palm Tours and hotelier Werner Hein, Occidental Resort.

KTF!  What do you want to bet Eduardo and Silvetti are in each others cell phones?

Great work!!

<snipped>


Eduardo de Veer AKA Eduardo Mansur???

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 29, 2009, 07:58:05 PM
Thank you, Janet.  The correspondence is very interesting and you did a good job making your point(s).

We're having a thunder storm at the moment.  Hopefully, it will blow over soon.  I do not want any power outages & such. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 29, 2009, 08:05:07 PM
Thank you, Janet.  The correspondence is very interesting and you did a good job making your point(s).

We're having a thunder storm at the moment.  Hopefully, it will blow over soon.  I do not want any power outages & such. 

Do you have a battery backup so your computer can shut down safely?

Is the files on your hard drive backed up?

Prior to getting a battery backup ... during a power outage a couple years ago my hard drive crashed and ... I lost all my precious Natalee Holloway files.  I was contemplating whether life was worth the living when ... in tears I called youngest son at school (teacher) and ... he assured me that he had ... unknown to me ... backed up all my files one week previous.  I have three grown kids who I love with all my heart but ... at that moment youngest son became my favorite.  However ... I asked him not to tell his siblings.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on March 29, 2009, 08:05:10 PM
Hello monkeys,

On one of the videos it indicated they are blasting the pond with the hose to keep it moist for the digging (or boot scraping).  This has got to be the craziest search method I've ever heard of.

Widget - long, long time no see  I hope all is well with you and your family. 

I' m not sure if Widget rubbed off on San or if San rubbed off on Widget, but they are two peas in a pod :-)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 29, 2009, 08:08:40 PM
Hello monkeys,

On one of the videos it indicated they are blasting the pond with the hose to keep it moist for the digging (or boot scraping).  This has got to be the craziest search method I've ever heard of.

Widget - long, long time no see  I hope all is well with you and your family. 

I' m not sure if Widget rubbed off on San or if San rubbed off on Widget, but they are two peas in a pod :-)



I just assumed Widget was San's twin and San didn't tell us.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 29, 2009, 08:09:48 PM
The red highlight is my doing.

Janet

++++++

Janet:

Texas Equusearch Dispels Media Reports Concerning Natalle Holloway Case
Posted on 26. Mar, 2009 by Admin, TES in Featured Articles, Press Releases, TES News


Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch is working hard to dispel media reports concerning the Natalee Holloway case.  Reports have surfaced today that Texas EquuSearch has collected $1.5 million to continue the search for Natalee, which is entirely untrue.

Also untrue is the report that Tim was traveling to Aruba with Fred Golba.  This has not been the first time that media has printed false reports regarding TES cases, to include the Caylee Anthony case.

This is the worst year financially for Texas EquuSearch since it began.  We are struggling on a daily basis to try to meet the needs of families across the country that are begging for help.  In these tough economic times, this false, irresponsible reporting could have a very negative impact on our ability to raise funds which go to serve families of the missing” said Miller.  “When the public hear that we have raised that large amount of money to dedicate to one search, they are not going to be willing to donate to our cause of finding missing people.  We are at a point of not being able to support the families that really need us, and when something like this happens, it is just devastating”. “We would not even attempt to raise that amount of money for just one case with so many families awaiting our help.
 
<SNIPPED>

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/03/hollowaycase/


Jen Hale:[/b]

Dear Janet,
 
I have indeed spoken with Tim about the announcement on his website. It is very odd --- as that information is exactly what he told me. I don't know if you are in the Birmingham area, but he did a phone interview with us where he laid out the search, the boat, the price tag and said it would all happen in the next few months. He told viewers that himself on our air. I am horribly sorry if that has hurt donations or caused large donors to pull back...which is why I have taken the article off of our website. I have considered putting the whole phone interview on the internet to somehow vindicate myself so to speak, as I know people are upset.... but after speaking with Tim, he is convinced this whole thing has hurt donations, and I would never want to damage the chances of someone finding their loved one. I hope he will consider doing another interview and clarifying, but we'll just have to see how that turns out.
 
Thank you for your time and interest,
 
Warm Regards,
Jennifer Hale


Janet:

Jen ... thank you for your heartfelt response.  It was appreciated.
 
BTW ...  Please stop and consider the following article quoting Julie Renfro when using her as a source for your reporting.  It is the contention of many who have followed the Natalee Holloway case since the getgo that Julia Renfro has an agenda.  Her agenda appears to be an effort to further the Aruban coverup that has denied justice to Natalee Holloway since the getgo by redirecting the focus and subtlely casting doubt on Beth Holloway's every word, action and motivation as well as Natalee's character.
 
Julia Renfro also upholds the main suspects who have lied time and time again in regards to the last moments they were in the company of the 18 year old American citizen who never returned from a graduation trip to Aruba.
 
Tim Miller?  Jen ... I do believe there is a solid foundation for your reporting.  I believe that Tim Miller slipped up.  Think about it.  In the posting on his website ...Tim Miller does not deny a continuing ocean search for Natalee Holloway's remains is going to happen ... he just wants to distance himself from the 1.5 million in donations.  Could it be those funds were donated to John Silvetti ... the owner of the boat which is moored in Trinidad.
 
I believe you should post the transcript of Tim Miller's words.
 
Again ... thank you for your response.
 
Sincerely
 
Janet


Jen Hale:

Thank you! I appreciate your concern and dedication to Natalee's case.
 
God Bless,
Jennifer Hale


Janet,
I received almost the same response.  I had included concerns about Renfro in the email
re Tim Miller.  She said that she didn't trust Renfro, but since there were no court records,
police files, etc,  Renfro was about the only source of information on the island.

I believe Jennifer Hale.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 08:10:29 PM
Ritz Carlton first five star hotel 20 February 2009
ORANJESTAD - After four years of negotiations, the Aruban government has finally her first five-star hotel, The Ritz-Carlton. The hotel with 320 rooms will come next to the Marriott resort that is also the parent company of this luxurious hotel chain. The 360 million florins investment is officially done by the Venezuelan group Desarrollos Hotelco S.A. that turned out to be the best from a public tender.



Interesting...

Renaissance Curacao Resort and Casino 4 February 2009
Oranjestad - The Renaissance Curacao Resort & Casino is officially open! This week, the resort started receiving guests formally. For the past few days, guests were allowed to check in, but they were part of the trial run. For those that don't know it, Renaissance Curacao Resort & Casino was constructed and will be operated by MetaCorp Aruba. This project carried a price tag of more than US$ 90.000.000 and it has become a magnificent Renaissance that forms part of the World-Renowned Marriott chain. The Curacao branch of the hotel, offers a total of 240 rooms and very elegant, spacious and luxurious suites.


http://www.yellowpages-aruba.com/home/news

The hotel will become the Renaissance Aruba Beach Resort & Casino, a welcomed addition to the Renaissance collection, part of the Marriott hotel group. Marriott brings to the resort 75 years of experience and more that 2000 hotels worldwide. Eduardo de Veer, the owner of Metacorp, which is the parent company of the hotel, will retain its current management.

ATCO
The ATCO story truly tells how diverse Fleet Cost & Care Software has become.  Requiring basic fleet management vertical systems combined with wireless data transfer was just one aspect of ATCO’s needs.  To get better feel for how diverse this company is one must realize what ATCO does for the people of Aruba its visitors from all over the globe.

ATCO, as a part of MetaCorp, a conglomerate of companies in a wide variety of markets, was incorporated in 1949. At that time mostly active in the transport business for Exxon's Oil Refinery (LAGO), not only transporting regular cargo, but also moving extraordinary cargo such as parts for the expansion of the plant. Over the last fifty years ATCO has constructed what it takes to be a modern leader in the Aruban transport business.

Throughout the last half century ATCO has constructed and maintained a tradition of high quality transportation services on the island." Despite increasing competition, ATCO maintained the edge by using amongst others state of the art, innovative equipment. It is therefore that ATCO introduced the first Roll on Roll off container system in Aruba, enabling container of 40 feet to be transported without the use of chassis.

The Operational division of ATCO is where it all began. Between 1950 and 1975 Associated Transport Company Inc., based its income mainly on transporting bulk cargo for the Lago Oil Refinery.
This division has since then grown into a diversified unit consisting of:


The Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association General Assembly Elects
A New Board for AHATA
A.M. Digital
12/05/2005

Board members voted in are businessman Eduardo de Veer, Renaissance/Meta Corp;[/b] Banker Bill Carson, Caribbean Mercantile Bank; hotelier Scott Allen, Hyatt Regency; Director Peter Steinmetz, Aruba Airport Authority; Public Relations official David Smith, Valero Oil Refinery, Lisette Malmberg, De Palm Tours and hotelier Werner Hein, Occidental Resort.



KTF!  What do you want to bet Eduardo and Silvetti are in each others cell phones?

Great work!!


I'm so far behind!  I've been in Cincinnati since Thursday (indoor waterpark fun  ::MonkeyHaHa::  and the zoo, it's a good one!) Anyway, I have tried to read and keep up, but you guys are moving fast! 

I can't wait to find out what happens with Jen Hale! 

Monkeys Rock!   ::MonkeyCool::



http://www.arubachamber.com/professional.htm

Consulates & Foreign Government Representatives

snip

Denmark
 
Business hours 8.00 - 12.00 a.m. / 1.00 - 5.00 p.m.
Consulate L.G. Smith Boulevard 82, Oranjestad
Consul (H) Mr. Eduardo de Veer
Phone: (297) 582-4622
Fax: (297) 582-1627
E-mail: edeveer@metacorp.aw 

snip

(H) = honorary consul * = consular accreditation in process



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 29, 2009, 08:10:31 PM
I wonder if caps is helping with this pond search?  He should be, he should be there every minute, every day helping.  He owes Dave Holloway that much.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on March 29, 2009, 08:10:42 PM
 
Renfro...
"I've spoken with all of the suspects," she said. "I don't believe any of them did anything to her."


Guess there is no gag order in Aruba. Her allegiance is blatently obvious and often quite sickening.
 
Renfro says she was perplexed when Twitty immediately concluded that her daughter had been kidnapped and made no effort to check hospitals or police about accident victims.

Jacobs told them to go to Carlos n Charlies, have a drink (while watching their cup), and she would show up in a few days.
Then, they justified to her releasing the three last known suspects for ten days of "surveillance." After an unsuccessful attempt to frame two security guards, they arrested J2K. ALE then blindsided them by dis-allowing search warrants at Sloot home.

Who wouldn't think something was wrong? Who wouldn't mistrust ALE? The case was a slam dunk and they chose to cover it up rather than deal with it and prosecute those responsible. Aruba has its secret society, and an underground. Protecting it has always been placed ahead of and deemed more important to them than giving closure to a grief stricken family.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: ohcanada on March 29, 2009, 08:12:03 PM
simian posts

Water reservoirs are being checked right now. Right now. The young one has a history with water reservoirs.
Aruba. Look for Noord. Look for Montaña. Look for Moko.
 Remember when they were pumping the pond by the Marriott? That is what they need to do in Montaña Noord.
????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 08:13:35 PM
Hello monkeys,

On one of the videos it indicated they are blasting the pond with the hose to keep it moist for the digging (or boot scraping).  This has got to be the craziest search method I've ever heard of.

Widget - long, long time no see  I hope all is well with you and your family. 

I' m not sure if Widget rubbed off on San or if San rubbed off on Widget, but they are two peas in a pod :-)



Hey Sleuth .......

I Still Believe That Joran Should Have Been JACK BAUER'ED Back In

Season 4 ..............

All Is Great Here ........

Hope All Is Good You And Yours ........



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on March 29, 2009, 08:14:01 PM

The Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association General Assembly Elects
A New Board for AHATA
A.M. Digital
12/05/2005

Board members voted in are businessman Eduardo de Veer, Renaissance/Meta Corp;[/b] Banker Bill Carson, Caribbean Mercantile Bank; hotelier Scott Allen, Hyatt Regency; Director Peter Steinmetz, Aruba Airport Authority; Public Relations official David Smith, Valero Oil Refinery, Lisette Malmberg, De Palm Tours and hotelier Werner Hein, Occidental Resort.

KTF!  What do you want to bet Eduardo and Silvetti are in each others cell phones?

Great work!!

<snipped>


Eduardo de Veer AKA Eduardo Mansur???

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet

Who knows?  ::MonkeyTongue::

It would not surprise me, though. Matter of fact, nothing in this case would surprise me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 29, 2009, 08:14:44 PM
simian posts

Water reservoirs are being checked right now. Right now. The young one has a history with water reservoirs.
Aruba. Look for Noord. Look for Montaña. Look for Moko.
 Remember when they were pumping the pond by the Marriott? That is what they need to do in Montaña Noord.
????


Klaas, did anyone get the message out to Golba about Jonathan45's location he wanted searched?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 08:16:45 PM
Hello monkeys,

On one of the videos it indicated they are blasting the pond with the hose to keep it moist for the digging (or boot scraping).  This has got to be the craziest search method I've ever heard of.

Widget - long, long time no see  I hope all is well with you and your family. 

I' m not sure if Widget rubbed off on San or if San rubbed off on Widget, but they are two peas in a pod :-)



I just assumed Widget was San's twin and San didn't tell us.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

San And Myself Have Been On The Same Page Since Day One ..............



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: San on March 29, 2009, 08:17:02 PM
Hello monkeys,

On one of the videos it indicated they are blasting the pond with the hose to keep it moist for the digging (or boot scraping).  This has got to be the craziest search method I've ever heard of.

Widget - long, long time no see  I hope all is well with you and your family. 

I' m not sure if Widget rubbed off on San or if San rubbed off on Widget, but they are two peas in a pod :-)


Sleuth I agree.  Not the part about we rubbed off on each other but it sure is crazy.  It's insulting.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: San on March 29, 2009, 08:21:17 PM
Hello monkeys,

On one of the videos it indicated they are blasting the pond with the hose to keep it moist for the digging (or boot scraping).  This has got to be the craziest search method I've ever heard of.

Widget - long, long time no see  I hope all is well with you and your family. 

I' m not sure if Widget rubbed off on San or if San rubbed off on Widget, but they are two peas in a pod :-)



I just assumed Widget was San's twin and San didn't tell us.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

San And Myself Have Been On The Same Page Since Day One ..............


Yes we have.

It is hailing outside right now  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: San on March 29, 2009, 08:22:42 PM
I wonder if caps is helping with this pond search?  He should be, he should be there every minute, every day helping.  He owes Dave Holloway that much.

CAPS is still in the water waiting for his signal.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on March 29, 2009, 08:24:03 PM
Nice pictures of them with their a** in the air.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yea, what is with the green rope around them? 

Hi Widget!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 29, 2009, 08:24:36 PM
The red highlight is my doing.

Janet

++++++

Janet:

Texas Equusearch Dispels Media Reports Concerning Natalle Holloway Case
Posted on 26. Mar, 2009 by Admin, TES in Featured Articles, Press Releases, TES News


Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch is working hard to dispel media reports concerning the Natalee Holloway case.  Reports have surfaced today that Texas EquuSearch has collected $1.5 million to continue the search for Natalee, which is entirely untrue.

Also untrue is the report that Tim was traveling to Aruba with Fred Golba.  This has not been the first time that media has printed false reports regarding TES cases, to include the Caylee Anthony case.

This is the worst year financially for Texas EquuSearch since it began.  We are struggling on a daily basis to try to meet the needs of families across the country that are begging for help.  In these tough economic times, this false, irresponsible reporting could have a very negative impact on our ability to raise funds which go to serve families of the missing” said Miller.  “When the public hear that we have raised that large amount of money to dedicate to one search, they are not going to be willing to donate to our cause of finding missing people.  We are at a point of not being able to support the families that really need us, and when something like this happens, it is just devastating”. “We would not even attempt to raise that amount of money for just one case with so many families awaiting our help.
 
<SNIPPED>

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/03/hollowaycase/


Jen Hale:[/b]

Dear Janet,
 
I have indeed spoken with Tim about the announcement on his website. It is very odd --- as that information is exactly what he told me. I don't know if you are in the Birmingham area, but he did a phone interview with us where he laid out the search, the boat, the price tag and said it would all happen in the next few months. He told viewers that himself on our air. I am horribly sorry if that has hurt donations or caused large donors to pull back...which is why I have taken the article off of our website. I have considered putting the whole phone interview on the internet to somehow vindicate myself so to speak, as I know people are upset.... but after speaking with Tim, he is convinced this whole thing has hurt donations, and I would never want to damage the chances of someone finding their loved one. I hope he will consider doing another interview and clarifying, but we'll just have to see how that turns out.
 
Thank you for your time and interest,
 
Warm Regards,
Jennifer Hale


Janet:

Jen ... thank you for your heartfelt response.  It was appreciated.
 
BTW ...  Please stop and consider the following article quoting Julie Renfro when using her as a source for your reporting.  It is the contention of many who have followed the Natalee Holloway case since the getgo that Julia Renfro has an agenda.  Her agenda appears to be an effort to further the Aruban coverup that has denied justice to Natalee Holloway since the getgo by redirecting the focus and subtlely casting doubt on Beth Holloway's every word, action and motivation as well as Natalee's character.
 
Julia Renfro also upholds the main suspects who have lied time and time again in regards to the last moments they were in the company of the 18 year old American citizen who never returned from a graduation trip to Aruba.
 
Tim Miller?  Jen ... I do believe there is a solid foundation for your reporting.  I believe that Tim Miller slipped up.  Think about it.  In the posting on his website ...Tim Miller does not deny a continuing ocean search for Natalee Holloway's remains is going to happen ... he just wants to distance himself from the 1.5 million in donations.  Could it be those funds were donated to John Silvetti ... the owner of the boat which is moored in Trinidad.
 
I believe you should post the transcript of Tim Miller's words.
 
Again ... thank you for your response.
 
Sincerely
 
Janet


Jen Hale:

Thank you! I appreciate your concern and dedication to Natalee's case.
 
God Bless,
Jennifer Hale


Janet,
I received almost the same response.  I had included concerns about Renfro in the email
re Tim Miller.  She said that she didn't trust Renfro, but since there were no court records,
police files, etc,  Renfro was about the only source of information on the island.

I believe Jennifer Hale.

Somehow I do too.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Believe me ... it does not make me happy if Tim Miller (TES) has any connection to another ocean venture with John Silvetti regarding the Natalee Holloway case when his own concerns regarding the December 30th visual dive and ... Kyle Kingman's own words are considered.  Magnolia ... I hope we are wrong.

I took it upon myself to email Tim Miller today and "respectfully" shared my concerns.  I spent two hours on the wording prior to clicking on the "send" icon and ... then sat at my computer shaking.

I will share with the forum if I receive a response.

Magnolia ... it was the email which you provided that motivated me to contact Jen Hale.  I just read Jen's response to you and ... it does sound very similar to mine with the exception of Julia Renfro.  Jen did not expand on the Renfro issue in her communication with me.

BTW ... thanks you that lovely sweater you knitted for me lickity split yesterday.  I felt sooo beauuuuutiful while out on our double date last night.

While off to an early movie with a friend.  Her choice.  Something with Julia Roberts.  Dessert, tea and a yak will follow.

Janet
5:25 PM PT

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 29, 2009, 08:25:24 PM
GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 08:27:47 PM
http://www.aruba.com/news/general-news/ahata-celebrates-its-40th-birthday/

(http://www.aruba.com/news/wp-content/phpNews/1_AHATA_Cele.jpg)

AHATA Celebrates Its 40th Birthday

 General News     September 21st, 2005

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AHATA will be celebrating its 40th birthday in November and in honor of the occasion, AHATA is acknowledging the contributions of many people who have helped shaped Aruba’s national tourism product and helped position it, to the way it is today.

Eduardo de Veer Applies Business Strategies to Tourism

When hotelier Hendrick Santos, the general manager of the Hyatt Regency, concluded his presidency of the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association in 1999, board members felt it would be wise to ask an Aruban businessman, Eduardo de Veer, to take over the leadership of the organization.

It was a vulnerable time, and the hoteliers knew de Veer would be best equipped to subtly pressure the government into funding the Aruba Tourism Authority so that Aruba’s promotional wheels could continue to turn. It was a positive strategic move. As a result of de Veer’s direct involvement with AHATA as its elected President, ten million florins were immediately made available. The funds were then applied to Advertising & Promotions via ATA and the demand for Aruba in the US market was stimulated. The island emerged from a tourism slump; business was on an upturn just before the Millennium celebrations.

As AHATA’s president De Veer was also empowered to bring La Cabana All Suite Beach Resort back into the fold. At the time, some timeshare resorts seceded from the organization because of internal conflict and their absence was felt. Thanks to de Veer’s special brand of diplomacy, La Cabana rejoined and AHATA was again, united, representing all of Aruba’s hotels.

On the level of macro economics de Veer brought fresh thinking into the industry. “Aruba at the time enjoyed high occupancies,” he says, “yet reaped minimal or negative margins, because of the very high cost of business. We were not making money; we looked at occupancy figures and were pleased to see they were high. We did not look at the rev par,” he adds.

Under de Veer’s leadership AHATA changed the way business was viewed. “In a mature industry like ours,” de Veer explains,”the focus must remain on high rates, not just on high occupancies. Selling rooms cheaply to charter guests and paying for the wear and tear at the resorts produces negative results. The ADR, the average daily rate must remain high, in order to make economic sense,” he states.

Following de Veer’s insistence Aruba also started courting various airlines,” as many as possible. No, as an island you can never have too many air seats,” de Veer declares. And while there was some opposition to his pursuit of scheduled air – the charter companies were unhappy – rev par development statistics here show his vision was correct. As more money was invested in Advertising & Promotions and more air seats became available, the demand was stimulated and the rates went up, finally making the hotels some money in the process.

On the internal level, de Veer introduced structural changes to AHATA. His tenure as AHATA’s president marked a quantum leap and a breakthrough in the way the association handled its affairs. He saw the importance of change and was instrumental in shifting the association’s operational focus away from the board and into professional management. As a result of this shift Horace Hord was hired and he helped AHATA become a force to be reckoned, relative to tourism policy and strategies.

“AHATA deserves our respect and admiration,” de Veer states. “As a Caribbean tourist destination, AHATA and the hotels spend the most on Advertising & Promotions, and the island’s government spends the least, in comparison to other destinations. AHATA works hard on behalf of Aruba,” he affirms.

Reports Jorge Pesquera: “Eduardo de Veer’s contributions to AHATA, our tourism industry and Aruba in general deserve a special place in the country’s history books. His drive, business acumen and vision have made MetaCorp a “best in class” corporation in Aruba as shown by independent surveys and reaffirmed by internal polling of their staff in all subsidiary companies. His vision for the development of a downtown hotel complex with an idyllic island accessed via ferry service, the subsequent re-positioning of the former Sonesta Hotel now Renaissance and the development of major attractions, a convention facility, movie theaters and retail have added an entirely new aura to the city of Oranjestad.”

“As far as AHATA is concerned” Pesquera continues, “as the AHATA president, De Veer made bold and difficult decisions; took the blows and considerable “heat” and provided the platform for significant change and progress. We certainly would not be where we are today, as an association, as a travel destination and as a country, had he not taken a leadership role – and for that we are immensely and forever thankful,” Pesquera concludes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 29, 2009, 08:29:03 PM
GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet

Good Night, Janet.

I hope that Yak doesn't eat your dessert. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 08:29:22 PM
GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet

Good night Janet!  Thanks for posting your correspondence!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 29, 2009, 08:33:13 PM
GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet

Good night Janet.  My aren't you getting around lately?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 29, 2009, 08:35:23 PM
My response from Jen Hale was much the same.  She did thank me for the photos and assured me she verifies everything Aruban reporters tell her, etc.

I still, however, want to know more about this $1.5 million donation.  Does it exist?  If so, who has it and who or what made it?  Kyle already said the trap that the contents were absconded with was the only likely to contain remains or anything of interest.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 08:46:29 PM
I wonder if caps is helping with this pond search?  He should be, he should be there every minute, every day helping.  He owes Dave Holloway that much.

Yes he does.  Especially since his scenario of the body disposal changed (AGAIN!).  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 29, 2009, 08:48:15 PM
My response from Jen Hale was much the same.  She did thank me for the photos and assured me she verifies everything Aruban reporters tell her, etc.

I still, however, want to know more about this $1.5 million donation.  Does it exist?  If so, who has it and who or what made it?  Kyle already said the trap that the contents were absconded with was the only likely to contain remains or anything of interest.

I am really hesitant to speak out against Tim Miller at this time.  I would like to hear that tape that Jen says she has with him stating the info she released.   That being said I too would like to know where that $1.5 million donation came from.  Sounds fishy to me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 09:03:02 PM
I cannot believe what I am reading.  Now you are attacking this Golba guy, right while he is deep in the muck searching for Natalee?  And you are accusing him of being in cahoots with ALE, etc.

Do you just prefer that noone searches?

What you have to realize is that anytime that anyone does some seemingly altruistic task, they are getting something out of it.  It could be personal satisfaction, it could be publicity, it could be a billion reasons.

What they don't deserve, IMO, is to be investigated like they are criminals.



What went into your thought process to choose today,of all days,to post your rubbish Iris44....... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 09:07:51 PM

The Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association General Assembly Elects
A New Board for AHATA
A.M. Digital
12/05/2005

Board members voted in are businessman Eduardo de Veer, Renaissance/Meta Corp;[/b] Banker Bill Carson, Caribbean Mercantile Bank; hotelier Scott Allen, Hyatt Regency; Director Peter Steinmetz, Aruba Airport Authority; Public Relations official David Smith, Valero Oil Refinery, Lisette Malmberg, De Palm Tours and hotelier Werner Hein, Occidental Resort.

KTF!  What do you want to bet Eduardo and Silvetti are in each others cell phones?

Great work!!

<snipped>


Eduardo de Veer AKA Eduardo Mansur???

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet

Two different Eduardo's Janet.I just think from past reading,in regards to this Eduardo De Veer,more research into what he really means to Aruba and potential role in the disinformation campaign,if any,is warranted!JMOO..May mean something.May not!

KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 29, 2009, 09:08:53 PM
::MonkeyHaHa::  Widget, I'd swear you were related to San.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: indeed

I made that post and got bumped right out of here!!   ::MonkeyShocked::

OHMYGAWD!  I saw my dear Widget and tried to post and the dang gone computer froze on me...by the time I got back he was gone!  Widget...COME HOME!!!  You have been missed!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 09:09:20 PM
IT'S SUNDAY AND I KNOW THERE WILL BE ANOTHER SO JUST SITTING HERE AND WAITING.

(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)

I LOVE THAT CLOCK..YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT THOUGH ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 29, 2009, 09:10:14 PM
Nice pictures of them with their a** in the air.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yea, what is with the green rope around them? 

Hi Widget!

So they won't get swept away by the fire hose?

 ::MonkeyRoll::

To be working in the muck all day,  Fred does manage to remain amazingly clean and free from any traces of mud.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 09:18:50 PM
LifeSong..Here are some more companies worth looking at...

Catrinus Timmer has been recommended for appointment to the Supervisory Board of Directors of the Fatum
group of companies. He is currently the Chief Financial Officer at MetaCorp N.V., the largest privately owned
commercial enterprise in Aruba.
He is a Board Member at the Aruba Stevedoring company, W.E.B. Aruba,
and also the advisory counsel of the Reporting Center for Unusual Transactions. He brings a wealth of work
experience in the field of consulting, financial assistance and Management. Mr. Timmer resides in Aruba,
speaks Dutch, English and Spanish and is married with two children.

http://www.guardianholdings.com/docs/GHL_annual_report2005-sec4.pdf



http://www.guardianholdings.com/

http://www.fatum.an/locaties/aruba.htm

Stracofa Assurantiën
Kaya Jacob Posner  / Zeelandia
P.O.Box 3677
T: 461-1255
F: 461-5253


Off to the gym then i will return for a bit..Have a great evening Monkey's.. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on March 29, 2009, 09:23:04 PM
Nice pictures of them with their a** in the air.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yea, what is with the green rope around them? 

Hi Widget!

So they won't get swept away by the fire hose?

 ::MonkeyRoll::

To be working in the muck all day,  Fred does manage to remain amazingly clean and free from any traces of mud.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Wonder why journalists were not aboard Persistence snapping pics and posted them in the media?

Or...why they were not at the Sloots when search warrant was blocked?

Or...why didn't interview and photograph those talented rock-painting, bio-hazard suit wearing bozos?

Or...why pictures of blood chocolate stains from DK's car were not front page material?

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 09:23:34 PM
LifeSong..Here are some more companies worth looking at...

Catrinus Timmer has been recommended for appointment to the Supervisory Board of Directors of the Fatum
group of companies. He is currently the Chief Financial Officer at MetaCorp N.V., the largest privately owned
commercial enterprise in Aruba.
He is a Board Member at the Aruba Stevedoring company, W.E.B. Aruba,
and also the advisory counsel of the Reporting Center for Unusual Transactions. He brings a wealth of work
experience in the field of consulting, financial assistance and Management. Mr. Timmer resides in Aruba,
speaks Dutch, English and Spanish and is married with two children.

http://www.guardianholdings.com/docs/GHL_annual_report2005-sec4.pdf



http://www.guardianholdings.com/

http://www.fatum.an/locaties/aruba.htm

Stracofa Assurantiën
Kaya Jacob Posner  / Zeelandia
P.O.Box 3677
T: 461-1255
F: 461-5253


Off to the gym then i will return for a bit..Have a great evening Monkey's.. ::MonkeyWink::

I believe the Posner part may be an address???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2009, 09:32:06 PM
LifeSong..Here are some more companies worth looking at...

Catrinus Timmer has been recommended for appointment to the Supervisory Board of Directors of the Fatum
group of companies. He is currently the Chief Financial Officer at MetaCorp N.V., the largest privately owned
commercial enterprise in Aruba.
He is a Board Member at the Aruba Stevedoring company, W.E.B. Aruba,
and also the advisory counsel of the Reporting Center for Unusual Transactions. He brings a wealth of work
experience in the field of consulting, financial assistance and Management. Mr. Timmer resides in Aruba,
speaks Dutch, English and Spanish and is married with two children.

http://www.guardianholdings.com/docs/GHL_annual_report2005-sec4.pdf



http://www.guardianholdings.com/

http://www.fatum.an/locaties/aruba.htm

Stracofa Assurantiën
Kaya Jacob Posner  / Zeelandia
P.O.Box 3677
T: 461-1255
F: 461-5253


Off to the gym then i will return for a bit..Have a great evening Monkey's.. ::MonkeyWink::

I believe the Posner part may be an address???

Upon their return to the Marina Hotel they were treated to a cocktail party at the Crystal Lounge where Gerardo de Veer, Rik Timmer and the executive teams of both the Aruba Marriott and Renaissance resorts joined for a social hour.

http://www.discountclub-aruba.com/index.asp?id=120


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 09:51:27 PM
Nice pictures of them with their a** in the air.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yea, what is with the green rope around them? 

Hi Widget!

Hi AZSunny ...........

Good To See Ya ..........



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 09:54:05 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/7940/8/#jc_allComments

Papiamentu translation:

confrontacion earnest at madiki cu machete

saturday, 28 march 2009 - 21:16

saturday night at madiki owing to surgi one confrontacion enough earnest cu owing to conduci at precensia of various unidad of police of various districto. according we can compronde one are of person owing to present at the cas y was wanted owing to regulation cuenta. in all this they was arm at all instant cu one machete. several police owing to arrive at the sitio but the antisocialnan owing to bay for of the sitio.

Comments:

inhabitant preocupa said: this is concecuencia of bebemento, drogamento y for miss of vigilancia in district. formerly everybody was conoce another in district. y was al tanto of kico cu happen in district y one mouth is tell another. today 'n day the is one free for all. one berdadero wild wild west y is in one ambiente so we yiunan is crece y we is want for mayan they're ciudadanonan ehemplar mienstras cu they have the machonan criyoyo here because; okupashon model. god save we. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 09:55:38 PM
::MonkeyHaHa::  Widget, I'd swear you were related to San.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: indeed

I made that post and got bumped right out of here!!   ::MonkeyShocked::

OHMYGAWD!  I saw my dear Widget and tried to post and the dang gone computer froze on me...by the time I got back he was gone!  Widget...COME HOME!!!  You have been missed!!

Hi Sunny .........

Hows My GOOD FRIEND Doing These Days ...........

I Missed You Also ........

Our Girls Send You Hugs & Kisses ........



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 10:10:34 PM
The Guy Who Met Beth & Went To The Vandershit House Knows Alot

More Than He Wants To Admit. He Even Stated That He Doubted That

This Case Would Be Resolved Cause He Was Filled In On The Coverup.

He Knew This Would Be Going On For Years................



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 29, 2009, 10:11:16 PM
Hello monkeys,

On one of the videos it indicated they are blasting the pond with the hose to keep it moist for the digging (or boot scraping).  This has got to be the craziest search method I've ever heard of.

Widget - long, long time no see  I hope all is well with you and your family. 

I' m not sure if Widget rubbed off on San or if San rubbed off on Widget, but they are two peas in a pod :-)



I just assumed Widget was San's twin and San didn't tell us.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

San And Myself Have Been On The Same Page Since Day One ..............



This is true.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 10:12:51 PM
All Of The Players In This Sad Story Should Be Taken Out To Sea

And Used For Chumming. Til One Of Them Talks ..................


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 29, 2009, 10:12:52 PM
Nice pictures of them with their a** in the air.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yea, what is with the green rope around them? 

Hi Widget!

I wondered if I was the only one that noticed the 'green' rope....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: San on March 29, 2009, 10:13:35 PM
The Guy Who Met Beth & Went To The Vandershit House Knows Alot

More Than He Wants To Admit. He Even Stated That He Doubted That

This Case Would Be Resolved Cause He Was Filled In On The Coverup.

He Knew This Would Be Going On For Years................

Would this be Charles Croes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 29, 2009, 10:15:52 PM
IT'S SUNDAY AND I KNOW THERE WILL BE ANOTHER SO JUST SITTING HERE AND WAITING.

(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)

I LOVE THAT CLOCK..YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT THOUGH ::MonkeyDance::

Thought of that when I posted it...;)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 10:15:53 PM
With All The Sickos Running Around Killing People These Days

Why Does'nt One Of Them Go To Thailand And Look Up The

Sporter ..............



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Rob on March 29, 2009, 10:18:21 PM
My response from Jen Hale was much the same.  She did thank me for the photos and assured me she verifies everything Aruban reporters tell her, etc.

I still, however, want to know more about this $1.5 million donation.  Does it exist?  If so, who has it and who or what made it?  Kyle already said the trap that the contents were absconded with was the only likely to contain remains or anything of interest.

for some reason, I think that when a company like Shaeffer's has a new project and partners come on line, the new partners are asked to make a "charitable contribution" to a favorite cause - like Justice For Natalee.

In a sense, there is no real charitable contribution, but a tax write off and way to make it look like some oil exploration company isn't soooo greedy.

it's all a ruse.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 29, 2009, 10:18:32 PM
The Guy Who Met Beth & Went To The Vandershit House Knows Alot

More Than He Wants To Admit. He Even Stated That He Doubted That

This Case Would Be Resolved Cause He Was Filled In On The Coverup.

He Knew This Would Be Going On For Years................



Be well, Charles, as the crows fly....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 10:19:05 PM
The Guy Who Met Beth & Went To The Vandershit House Knows Alot

More Than He Wants To Admit. He Even Stated That He Doubted That

This Case Would Be Resolved Cause He Was Filled In On The Coverup.

He Knew This Would Be Going On For Years................

Would this be Charles Croes.

Thanks San ..........

That Be The Man .............

Croes Knows .............



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 29, 2009, 10:21:25 PM
My response from Jen Hale was much the same.  She did thank me for the photos and assured me she verifies everything Aruban reporters tell her, etc.

I still, however, want to know more about this $1.5 million donation.  Does it exist?  If so, who has it and who or what made it?  Kyle already said the trap that the contents were absconded with was the only likely to contain remains or anything of interest.

for some reason, I think that when a company like Shaeffer's has a new project and partners come on line, the new partners are asked to make a "charitable contribution" to a favorite cause - like Justice For Natalee.

In a sense, there is no real charitable contribution, but a tax write off and way to make it look like some oil exploration company isn't soooo greedy.

it's all a ruse.

I tend to agree with this...it's all toooooo common, and s u c k s.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 10:28:00 PM
Hey Bean ..........

You Out There .............



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 10:31:40 PM
People Who Donate Money For Natalees Cause Should Spend

Their Money On Mercenaries .........THeres Alot Of Them On The

Unemployment Lines Right Now ..............



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 29, 2009, 10:33:53 PM
LifeSong..Here are some more companies worth looking at...

Catrinus Timmer has been recommended for appointment to the Supervisory Board of Directors of the Fatum
group of companies. He is currently the Chief Financial Officer at MetaCorp N.V., the largest privately owned
commercial enterprise in Aruba.
He is a Board Member at the Aruba Stevedoring company, W.E.B. Aruba,
and also the advisory counsel of the Reporting Center for Unusual Transactions. He brings a wealth of work
experience in the field of consulting, financial assistance and Management. Mr. Timmer resides in Aruba,
speaks Dutch, English and Spanish and is married with two children.

http://www.guardianholdings.com/docs/GHL_annual_report2005-sec4.pdf



http://www.guardianholdings.com/

http://www.fatum.an/locaties/aruba.htm

Stracofa Assurantiën
Kaya Jacob Posner  / Zeelandia
P.O.Box 3677
T: 461-1255
F: 461-5253


Off to the gym then i will return for a bit..Have a great evening Monkey's.. ::MonkeyWink::

KTF, the Stevedoring company - we've heard of that....   

Texasmom!!

Isn't the Stevedoring company the one that the port authority is trying to get out of the contract with and its tied up in court?

I wonder how they got the contract to begin with?  Smells like another Rudy/Edison handwash special to me....



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 29, 2009, 10:45:57 PM
S.E.L. Maduro & Sons Aruba

 Aruba Stevedoring Company
History
Since days, long gone, local Agencies representing the Shipping Lines that brought cargo to Aruba performed their own stevedoring work of unloading and loading the ships and delivering- and receiving their cargoes, for which purpose they employed their own supervisory staff whilst labor was being contracted on an hourly wage basis from a labor pool. When by the end of the 1970s containerization came on the scene, an overall revision of all port activities was required.


A contractual basis with the local Government was agreed upon and this is how Aruba Stevedoring Company (ASTEC) N.V. was created and continues to operate as from the start of its existence, which was on September 15th, 1983.

 

 

Handling the needs of bustling port
During the year 2005 ASTEC handled over 57,000 TEUS (20-feet equivalent container units), 5,200 passenger cars and over 44,000 tons of loose cargo, mostly consisting of cement on pallets and in big-bags, bundled lumber, and steel structures of various shapes. Containers and cars are being discharges or loaded stored and delivered at Oranjestad, where as in order not to disturb cruise-tourism, most of the loose cargo is being handled at Barcadera.


The work of ASTEC is a 24-hour/seven days a week operation. The majority of imported goods come either from the United States or from Northern Europe, from where shipping lines such as King Ocean, Maersk, EWL, CMA-CGM, Hapag-Lloyd, Sea Freight, Hamburg- Sud, CSAV and CFS/ZIM offer regular container services to Aruba. Cars from the Far East and South America arrive on typically shaped car-carriers of NYK and K-line.


Containers are sorted by size and type, whereas electric connections are available for reefers, freeze-and deepfreeze containers carrying perishable cargoes.

 

 

Equipment
The company owns a fleet of Reach Stakers (Container lifting equipment), dedicated Terminal Tractors and heavy duty Terminal Chassis, roll trailers, forklift trucks with lifting capacities of between 2.5-and 16 tons, electric (warehouse) forklift trucks and specialized handling- and lifting gear to provide safe and damage-free movement of cargo. All equipment is being serviced and repaired at the company's own workshop. State of the art software guarantees a smooth delivery and dispatch of cargoes.


In cooperation with the Aruba Port Authority N.V., the Aruban Customs Service, and local Shipping Agencies, ASTEC expects to continue to be able to provide the Aruban business community with uninterrupted handling-and delivery of their cargoes as it has been doing since commencing its operations 23 years ago.

 

 http://www.selmaduro.com/aruba-stevedoring-company.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Frijole on March 29, 2009, 10:47:43 PM
Hey Bean ..........

You Out There .............



Heh back at ya Widg!  I'm here.  Sorry I stepped away for a bit.  Good to see ya back.  Missed yr humor.  Much needed after 4 yrs of crap out of Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 10:48:09 PM
Off Topic Thought ...........

If $675 Trillion Of Derivatives Was Bought Up By Foreign Investors

Wheres The Money ??????????



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 10:50:28 PM
Hey Bean ..........

You Out There .............



Heh back at ya Widg!  I'm here.  Sorry I stepped away for a bit.  Good to see ya back.  Missed yr humor.  Much needed after 4 yrs of crap out of Aruba.

Its Unbelievable .........

And Until Someone Really Steps Up To The Plate And Rocks Some Cages

We Will Be Stroking  Ourselves Til The Good Lord Takes Us


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 29, 2009, 10:50:33 PM
LifeSong..Here are some more companies worth looking at...

Catrinus Timmer has been recommended for appointment to the Supervisory Board of Directors of the Fatum
group of companies. He is currently the Chief Financial Officer at MetaCorp N.V., the largest privately owned
commercial enterprise in Aruba.
He is a Board Member at the Aruba Stevedoring company, W.E.B. Aruba,
and also the advisory counsel of the Reporting Center for Unusual Transactions. He brings a wealth of work
experience in the field of consulting, financial assistance and Management. Mr. Timmer resides in Aruba,
speaks Dutch, English and Spanish and is married with two children.

http://www.guardianholdings.com/docs/GHL_annual_report2005-sec4.pdf



http://www.guardianholdings.com/

http://www.fatum.an/locaties/aruba.htm

Stracofa Assurantiën
Kaya Jacob Posner  / Zeelandia
P.O.Box 3677
T: 461-1255
F: 461-5253


Off to the gym then i will return for a bit..Have a great evening Monkey's.. ::MonkeyWink::

KTF, the Stevedoring company - we've heard of that....   

Texasmom!!

Isn't the Stevedoring company the one that the port authority is trying to get out of the contract with and its tied up in court?

I wonder how they got the contract to begin with?  Smells like another Rudy/Edison handwash special to me....



 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 10:52:15 PM
To All My Monkey Friends

Google FLOURIDE ........

And See If You Want Your Kids To Drink The Water ..........



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 10:52:41 PM
LifeSong..Here are some more companies worth looking at...

Catrinus Timmer has been recommended for appointment to the Supervisory Board of Directors of the Fatum
group of companies. He is currently the Chief Financial Officer at MetaCorp N.V., the largest privately owned
commercial enterprise in Aruba.
He is a Board Member at the Aruba Stevedoring company, W.E.B. Aruba,
and also the advisory counsel of the Reporting Center for Unusual Transactions. He brings a wealth of work
experience in the field of consulting, financial assistance and Management. Mr. Timmer resides in Aruba,
speaks Dutch, English and Spanish and is married with two children.

http://www.guardianholdings.com/docs/GHL_annual_report2005-sec4.pdf



http://www.guardianholdings.com/

http://www.fatum.an/locaties/aruba.htm

Stracofa Assurantiën
Kaya Jacob Posner  / Zeelandia
P.O.Box 3677
T: 461-1255
F: 461-5253


Off to the gym then i will return for a bit..Have a great evening Monkey's.. ::MonkeyWink::

KTF, the Stevedoring company - we've heard of that....   

Texasmom!!

Isn't the Stevedoring company the one that the port authority is trying to get out of the contract with and its tied up in court?

I wonder how they got the contract to begin with?  Smells like another Rudy/Edison handwash special to me....



Yes it is, Lifesong.  Very good memory!  I'm not retaining that information very well.    ::MonkeyConfused::

This is an article I posted about the case.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4675.660

Quote

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53931.php

Google translation:

Astec not seize funds APA

March 14, 2009, 14:28 (GMT -04:00)

  

Alfonso Boekhoudt, director of Aruba Ports Authority (APA) Thursday for the treatment of case against Astec APA had brought to take to make.

ORANGE CITY - The judge yesterday decided to stevedoring company Astec not consent to seize money that Aruba Ports Authority (APA) is. The request was Thursday by Astec in court and was dealt with behind closed doors.
  
Next week, the interim relief between the two companies in which the stevedoring company claiming compensation for the termination of the permanent contract. Astec has been an ongoing contract with APA to work in the port area. With the container port is moving to Barcadera and public procurement is to provide working business activities in the new location may carry out the contract with Astec broken. This requires the company one million fee. Because Astec fear that APA is not enough money to pay for those damages, they would herd recovery. Employees of APA were afraid that if money would be confiscated, it is not enough money to maintain the salaries of the workers pay. The APA-workers also threatened to close the port if this would happen. With the judge's decision, this threat for the job.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Frijole on March 29, 2009, 10:55:05 PM
Hey Bean ..........

You Out There .............



Heh back at ya Widg!  I'm here.  Sorry I stepped away for a bit.  Good to see ya back.  Missed yr humor.  Much needed after 4 yrs of crap out of Aruba.

Its Unbelievable .........

And Until Someone Really Steps Up To The Plate And Rocks Some Cages

We Will Be Stroking  Ourselves Til The Good Lord Takes Us

I was hoping Peter de Vries out of Holland would get that done.  They say he's a barracuda that never gives up.  Maybe the powers involved in this got to him too?  I dunno.  Just hard to believe this family never got one single break in 4 yrs.  Not one.

Now they have another freeloader claiming to help them (my opinion) sucking up to ALE on a tip given to Dave H by someone who called and bugged him so frequently he couldn't sleep at night and is spending thousands once more for more of the same.

I would love to see someone step up.  Who's left?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 29, 2009, 10:57:58 PM
Thanks Hotping and Texasmom!  Here's another one that TM posted I was thinking of also...




texasmom
Scared Monkey


   Re: Natalee Case Discussion #811 3/24/09 -
« Reply #622 on: March 26, 2009, 06:00:47 PM » 

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http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_54442.php

For a tender port
March 26, 2009, 16:10 (GMT -04:00)

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The public tender for the new operator of the container port for the job.

ORANGE CITY - The judge yesterday APA Port Authority banned a public tender procedure for an operator of the new container port in Barcadera. The procedure should the court wait until the arbitration ruling. In violation can APA fined 10 million florin are grounded, to a maximum of 100 million.

Astec Director Marinus Clean called the ruling "a victory for Aruba. "Politicians say that the country interest (APA, red) should go to the private interest, but I think the ruling is good for Aruba." Score more points than the fact that Astec an Aruban Aruban company with 80 employees. "Another company is their job uncertain. If through a public tender another, possibly foreign company, there is - contrary to what the politicians say - no job. "The tariff increase which Clean irrevocably linked to the public tender for the job.

Alfonso Boekhoudt, director of the port authority, seems to present little to worry about the ruling. According to the director, there are so many things that still need to be for the relocation of the container port that they are still fresh about it. "We can just continue with the move, only the public procurement should just wait."

The arbitration case concerning the dissolution of the permanent contract of Aruba Ports Authority (APA) with stevedoring company Astec was launched on February 18, 2009. APA has the contract - under pressure from the government - by December 31, 2009 terminated. Through a public tender APA wants the operator of the container port in Barcadera choose. The court has taken a line through put.

The delay of the auction includes a line through the account of Edison snort Minister of Tourism and Transport (MEP). He wanted this morning still not respond to the ruling. Snort is currently abroad and would like to begin the sentence and the reasoning of the court examination before he comments.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4743.msg739821#msg739821


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 10:58:49 PM
Hey Bean ..........

You Out There .............



Heh back at ya Widg!  I'm here.  Sorry I stepped away for a bit.  Good to see ya back.  Missed yr humor.  Much needed after 4 yrs of crap out of Aruba.

Its Unbelievable .........

And Until Someone Really Steps Up To The Plate And Rocks Some Cages

We Will Be Stroking  Ourselves Til The Good Lord Takes Us

I was hoping Peter de Vries out of Holland would get that done.  They say he's a barracuda that never gives up.  Maybe the powers involved in this got to him too?  I dunno.  Just hard to believe this family never got one single break in 4 yrs.  Not one.

Now they have another freeloader claiming to help them (my opinion) sucking up to ALE on a tip given to Dave H by someone who called and bugged him so frequently he couldn't sleep at night and is spending thousands once more for more of the same.

I would love to see someone step up.  Who's left?



O     B     A     M     A

       


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Frijole on March 29, 2009, 11:03:27 PM
Midg I'd love to see Obama get involved.  Do you think he would?  He's kind of preocupied trying to save the banks, the automakers, the airlines, healthcare........  His job sucks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: San on March 29, 2009, 11:09:25 PM
Hey Bean ..........

You Out There .............



Heh back at ya Widg!  I'm here.  Sorry I stepped away for a bit.  Good to see ya back.  Missed yr humor.  Much needed after 4 yrs of crap out of Aruba.

Its Unbelievable .........

And Until Someone Really Steps Up To The Plate And Rocks Some Cages

We Will Be Stroking  Ourselves Til The Good Lord Takes Us

I was hoping Peter de Vries out of Holland would get that done.  They say he's a barracuda that never gives up.  Maybe the powers involved in this got to him too?  I dunno.  Just hard to believe this family never got one single break in 4 yrs.  Not one.

Now they have another freeloader claiming to help them (my opinion) sucking up to ALE on a tip given to Dave H by someone who called and bugged him so frequently he couldn't sleep at night and is spending thousands once more for more of the same.

I would love to see someone step up.  Who's left?

Well this is just my opinion.  I don't believe DeVries will crack this case.  He will give us so much and then we will all hear silence.  He would have done his job.  We will get the enemy saying look at all we did for these people and what do they do they criticize us.

You know like we sent in the Dutch Marines blah blah blah.

Something will happen in this case when our own FBI finally puts the pressure on people.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 11:10:48 PM
Midg I'd love to see Obama get involved.  Do you think he would?  He's kind of preocupied trying to save the banks, the automakers, the airlines, healthcare........  His job sucks.

Well He Has Time For JAY LENO

Townhall Meetings

White House Bowling

Finding Out What Happened To Natalee Should Be Right Up His ALLEY ...





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 29, 2009, 11:13:01 PM
Lifesong Here is another one but it needs a better transalation noticed I highlighted Trahan  ::MonkeyEek::



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Mansur ta comenta riba asunto di APA y Astec Mansur says ta riba di APA case and Astec Saturday, 31 January 2009 - 09:56 Saturday, 31 January 2009 - 09:56 Ta Ta visto cu e Gobierno actual ta bay persisti den kibra e contrato entre Viewed cu e ta bay current government persisted den Kibra and contract between APA y Astec, pa asina por entrega e hafnan di Aruba na un empresa di APA and Astec, delivered by e pa asin Hafner di na Aruba a company di Spaño di e grupo Trusam. E di Trusam span group. Un A di e argumentonan cu Premier Oduber ta uza pa hustifica esaki, y pa e di argumentonan Premier Oduber ta cu hustifica esaki UZA pa, and pa traha riba emocion di hende ta cu e ta bisa Astec ta un monopolio. Trahan emocion riba di Hende ta bisa cu e ta ta Astec monopoly. Esey Esey no ta completamente correcto: Astec tin palabracion cu APA pa repartición ta not completely correct: Astec palabracion cu tin pa APA division di e entradanan pa servicio, pues waf ta wordo maneha pa un joint venture di pa entradanan and service, as WAF maneha word ta pa a joint venture entre APA cu Astec, den cual APA no mester garantisa Astec ningun ganashi, between APA cu Astec, which are not APA ganashi no mester garantisa Astec, tur dos ta core risico. ta tur two core risico. Click read more pa lesa mas. Click read more pa mas against. Den Den e situación cu gobierno kier crea 1. and state government Kier creates 1 cu. Astec, un empresa Arubano, ta Astec, a company Arubano, ta bay wordo reemplaza pa un compania Spaòo, 2. word replaces a bay pa Spaòo company, 2. e empleadonan di Astec e di empleadonan Astec ta core risico di bay perde trabow of nan aòa di servicio, y 3. ta bay di risico core of trabow perde nan di aoa service, and 3. APA APA mester bay garantisa e compania Spaòo un ganashi di 12% pa aòa! mester bay garantisa company Spaòo and a 12% pa di ganashi aoa! Pues Well un negoshi di cangrew: no tin sentido pa cambia Astec pa un berdadero a negoshi di cangrew no sense tin pa pa a change Astec berdadero monopolio estranhero, caminda APA ta bay bira un esclavo di garantia. estranhero monopoly, caminda APA Bira a slave ta bay di warranty. Pa Pa colmo tin hopi pregunta riba e grupo Spaòo. Hopi question top tin riba e Spaòo group. Trusam ta un empresa cu Ta cu Trusam a company ta 54% di Señor Juan Manuel Trujillo y 46% di Señor Jesús Samper, ta 54% say Mr Juan Manuel Trujillo, 46% di Jesus Samper, ambos di nacionalidad spañó. both di nationality span. Na e momentonan aki e dos personanan E na aki momentonan and two personanan aki ta bringá cu otro, ye diferencia di opinion entre nan ta parce aki cu ta bring other, e difference between nan ta di opinion parcels di ta afectando nan negoshinan negativamente. di nan ta negoshinan affected negatively. Den Den e dianan aki, un di nan companíanan, e team di voetbal Real Murcia e aki target, a di nan companíanan, e di voetbal team Real Murcia lo wordo declara bankarota cu debenan di mas di 30 miyon Euro. what word should be said bankarota cu mas di di 30 Euro miyon. Esaki, Esaki, apesar cu e equipo atravez di e añanan tabatin entradanan di cientos despite cu e team and across di di hundreds Añana tabatin entradanan di miyones di Euro. miyones di di Euro. E E haf di Aruba, entrada principal di virtualmente tur nos productonan, HAF di Aruba, virtually main di tur productonan us, no ta un pieza di wega &ldquo;monopoly&rdquo; cu cual nos mandatarionan por not a piece ta di WEGA "monopoly" cu mandatarionan for us hasi y deshasi pa loco. Hasi and deshasi pa loco. Ta trata di un situacion serio cu cual mester Ta di deals a serious situation which cu mester anda cu suma cautela. anda cu caution. E E hecho cu prome kier a drenta den un aventura cu Namdar, y awor cu un cu Kier made promises to provide an adventure Drenthe namdo cu, cu and an awor otro grupo cu aparentemente tin problemanan serio, ta lanta duda atrobe Another group apparently cu tin problemanan seriously doubt atrobe ta Lanta den a huicio di esnan cu tin e responsabilidad di goberna e pais aki give Huici esnan cu tin di e di governance and accountability country aki actualmente. currently. 24ora.com - Prome den Noticia 24ora.com - Prome den News http://www.24ora.com http://www.24ora.com Powered by Joomla! Powered by Joomla! Generated: 29 March, 2009, 23:06 Generated: 29 March, 2009, 23:06
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Cu Cu riba esey nan a duna un &ldquo;vrijwaring&rdquo; (cu probablemente ta illegal riba nan esey dune to a "vrijwaring (ta cu probably illegal y nulo) na e hunta di comisario pa tuma decision contra interes di APA, and null) and hunt na di pa Commissioner Tuma decision against interest di APA, ta aun mas pio. ta itself even more. Partido Party Democracia Real ta urgi nos Parlamento pa por fabor cuminsa hasi su Real democracy we urged Parliament ta pa fabor cuminsa its Hasi trabou di vigila y para e locual nos gobernantenan ta hasi. monitors and trabou di e ta gobernantenan Hasi locual us. Corda un A corda rato cu un di boso ta den parlamento danki na e votonan di e votadornan while a di Boso ta cu den e votonan parliament danki na e di votadornan di PDR, y cu en todo caso ta boso responsabilidad pa representa miles di PDR, and in any case cu ta pa Boso liability represents thousands di Arubanonan trahador dignamente y segun boso consenshi. di Arubanonan trahador dignity and Boso consenshi seconds. 24ora.com - Prome den Noticia 24ora.com - Prome den News http://www.24ora.com http://www.24ora.com Powered by Joomla! Powered by Joomla! Generated: 29 March, 2009, 23:06 Generated: 29 March, 2009, 23:06
Original Spanish text:
traha riba emocion di hende ta cu e ta bisa Astec ta un monopolio.
 

Google Translation

Translation: Spanish » English
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Mansur ta comenta riba asunto di APA y Astec Mansur says ta riba di APA case and Astec Saturday, 31 January 2009 - 09:56 Saturday, 31 January 2009 - 09:56 Ta Ta visto cu e Gobierno actual ta bay persisti den kibra e contrato entre Viewed cu e ta bay current government persisted den Kibra and contract between APA y Astec, pa asina por entrega e hafnan di Aruba na un empresa di APA and Astec, delivered by e pa asin Hafner di na Aruba a company di Spaño di e grupo Trusam. E di Trusam span group. Un A di e argumentonan cu Premier Oduber ta uza pa hustifica esaki, y pa e di argumentonan Premier Oduber ta cu hustifica esaki UZA pa, and pa traha riba emocion di hende ta cu e ta bisa Astec ta un monopolio. Trahan emocion riba di Hende ta bisa cu e ta ta Astec monopoly. Esey Esey no ta completamente correcto: Astec tin palabracion cu APA pa repartición ta not completely correct: Astec palabracion cu tin pa APA division di e entradanan pa servicio, pues waf ta wordo maneha pa un joint venture di pa entradanan and service, as WAF maneha word ta pa a joint venture entre APA cu Astec, den cual APA no mester garantisa Astec ningun ganashi, between APA cu Astec, which are not APA ganashi no mester garantisa Astec, tur dos ta core risico. ta tur two core risico. Click read more pa lesa mas. Click read more pa mas against. Den Den e situación cu gobierno kier crea 1. and state government Kier creates 1 cu. Astec, un empresa Arubano, ta Astec, a company Arubano, ta bay wordo reemplaza pa un compania Spaòo, 2. word replaces a bay pa Spaòo company, 2. e empleadonan di Astec e di empleadonan Astec ta core risico di bay perde trabow of nan aòa di servicio, y 3. ta bay di risico core of trabow perde nan di aoa service, and 3. APA APA mester bay garantisa e compania Spaòo un ganashi di 12% pa aòa! mester bay garantisa company Spaòo and a 12% pa di ganashi aoa! Pues Well un negoshi di cangrew: no tin sentido pa cambia Astec pa un berdadero a negoshi di cangrew no sense tin pa pa a change Astec berdadero monopolio estranhero, caminda APA ta bay bira un esclavo di garantia. estranhero monopoly, caminda APA Bira a slave ta bay di warranty. Pa Pa colmo tin hopi pregunta riba e grupo Spaòo. Hopi question top tin riba e Spaòo group. Trusam ta un empresa cu Ta cu Trusam a company ta 54% di Señor Juan Manuel Trujillo y 46% di Señor Jesús Samper, ta 54% say Mr Juan Manuel Trujillo, 46% di Jesus Samper, ambos di nacionalidad spañó. both di nationality span. Na e momentonan aki e dos personanan E na aki momentonan and two personanan aki ta bringá cu otro, ye diferencia di opinion entre nan ta parce aki cu ta bring other, e difference between nan ta di opinion parcels di ta afectando nan negoshinan negativamente. di nan ta negoshinan affected negatively. Den Den e dianan aki, un di nan companíanan, e team di voetbal Real Murcia e aki target, a di nan companíanan, e di voetbal team Real Murcia lo wordo declara bankarota cu debenan di mas di 30 miyon Euro. what word should be said bankarota cu mas di di 30 Euro miyon. Esaki, Esaki, apesar cu e equipo atravez di e añanan tabatin entradanan di cientos despite cu e team and across di di hundreds Añana tabatin entradanan di miyones di Euro. miyones di di Euro. E E haf di Aruba, entrada principal di virtualmente tur nos productonan, HAF di Aruba, virtually main di tur productonan us, no ta un pieza di wega &ldquo;monopoly&rdquo; cu cual nos mandatarionan por not a piece ta di WEGA "monopoly" cu mandatarionan for us hasi y deshasi pa loco. Hasi and deshasi pa loco. Ta trata di un situacion serio cu cual mester Ta di deals a serious situation which cu mester anda cu suma cautela. anda cu caution. E E hecho cu prome kier a drenta den un aventura cu Namdar, y awor cu un cu Kier made promises to provide an adventure Drenthe namdo cu, cu and an awor otro grupo cu aparentemente tin problemanan serio, ta lanta duda atrobe Another group apparently cu tin problemanan seriously doubt atrobe ta Lanta den a huicio di esnan cu tin e responsabilidad di goberna e pais aki give Huici esnan cu tin di e di governance and accountability country aki actualmente. currently. 24ora.com - Prome den Noticia 24ora.com - Prome den News http://www.24ora.com http://www.24ora.com Powered by Joomla! Powered by Joomla! Generated: 29 March, 2009, 23:06 Generated: 29 March, 2009, 23:06
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Cu Cu riba esey nan a duna un &ldquo;vrijwaring&rdquo; (cu probablemente ta illegal riba nan esey dune to a "vrijwaring (ta cu probably illegal y nulo) na e hunta di comisario pa tuma decision contra interes di APA, and null) and hunt na di pa Commissioner Tuma decision against interest di APA, ta aun mas pio. ta itself even more. Partido Party Democracia Real ta urgi nos Parlamento pa por fabor cuminsa hasi su Real democracy we urged Parliament ta pa fabor cuminsa its Hasi trabou di vigila y para e locual nos gobernantenan ta hasi. monitors and trabou di e ta gobernantenan Hasi locual us. Corda un A corda rato cu un di boso ta den parlamento danki na e votonan di e votadornan while a di Boso ta cu den e votonan parliament danki na e di votadornan di PDR, y cu en todo caso ta boso responsabilidad pa representa miles di PDR, and in any case cu ta pa Boso liability represents thousands di Arubanonan trahador dignamente y segun boso consenshi. di Arubanonan trahador dignity and Boso consenshi seconds. 24ora.com - Prome den Noticia 24ora.com - Prome den News http://www.24ora.com http://www.24ora.com Powered by Joomla! Powered by Joomla! Generated: 29 March, 2009, 23:06 Generated: 29 March, 2009, 23:06
Original Spanish text:
traha riba emocion di hende ta cu e ta bisa Astec ta un monopolio.
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Mansur says ta riba di APA case and Astec Mansur says ta riba di APA case and Astec Saturday, 31 January 2009 - 09:56 Saturday, 31 January 2009 - 09:56 Ta Ta seen cu e ta bay current government persisted den Kibra and contract Viewed from cu e ta bay den Kibra persistent current government and contract between APA and Astec, delivered by e pa asin Hafner di na Aruba di APA and an Astec company, delivered by e pa asin Hafner di na Aruba a company group e di di Spano Trusam. E di group Trusam span. A di A e Premier Oduber argumentonan cu ta pa hustifica UZA esaki and pa e di argumentonan Premier Oduber ta cu hustifica esaki UZA pa, and pa riba Trahan emocion di Hende ta bisa cu e ta ta Astec monopoly. Trahan emocion riba di Hende ta bisa cu e ta ta Astec monopoly. Ta Esey Esey not completely correct: Astec palabracion cu tin pa APA division ta not completely correct: Astec palabracion APA division cu tin pa di pa entradanan and service, as WAF maneha word ta pa di pa a joint venture entradanan and service, as WAF maneha word ta pa a joint venture between APA cu Astec, which are not APA garantisa Astec no mester ganashi, between APA cu Astec, which are not APA ganashi no mester garantisa Astec, tur ta two core risico. ta tur two core risico. Click read more pa mas against. Click read more pa mas against. Den Den and state government Kier creates 1 cu. and state government creates Kier 1 cu. Astec, a company Arubano, ta Astec, a company Arubano, ta bay pa word replaces a company Spaòo, 2. word replaces a bay pa Spaòo company, 2. empleadonan e di e di empleadonan Astec Astec core risico ta bay di perde nan aoa di trabow of service, and 3. ta bay di risico core of trabow perde nan di aoa service, and 3. APA APA garantisa mester bay and a company Spaòo di ganashi aoa 12% pa! mester bay garantisa company Spaòo and a 12% pa di ganashi aoa! Well Well a negoshi di cangrew no sense tin pa pa a berdadero changed to Astec negoshi di cangrew no sense to change tin pa pa Astec berdadero monopoly estranhero, APA caminda a slave ta bay di Bira guarantee. estranhero monopoly, a slave caminda APA Bira ta bay di warranty. Pa Pa ultimate question Hopi tin riba e Spaòo group. Hopi question top tin riba e Spaòo group. Trusam a company cu ta Ta ta cu Trusam company to 54% gave Mr Juan Manuel Trujillo, 46% di Jesus Samper, ta 54% say Mr Juan Manuel Trujillo, 46% di Jesus Samper, both di nationality span. both di nationality span. E na aki momentonan and two personanan E na aki momentonan and two personanan aki cu ta bring other, e difference between nan ta di opinion Parce cu aki ta bring other, and difference between nan ta di opinion Parcels di nan ta negoshinan adversely affected. di nan ta negoshinan affected negatively. Den Den target e aki, a di nan companíanan, e di voetbal team Real Murcia e aki target, a di nan companíanan, e di voetbal team Real Murcia what word should be said bankarota cu mas di di 30 Euro miyon. what word should be said bankarota cu mas di di 30 Euro miyon. Esaki, Esaki, despite cu e team di e Añana across tabatin entradanan di e team cu despite hundreds and hundreds across di di di miyones Añana tabatin entradanan di Euro. miyones di di Euro. EE HAF di Aruba, virtually main di tur productonan us, HAF di Aruba, virtually main di tur productonan us, not a piece ta di WEGA "monopoly" cu mandatarionan for us not a piece ta di WEGA "monopoly" cu mandatarionan Hasi deshasi for us and pa crazy. Hasi and deshasi pa loco. Ta di deals a serious situation which cu mester di Ta deals a serious situation which go cu cu mester caution. anda cu caution. EE fact cu Drenthe promised to give Kier cu namdo adventure, and a cu cu awor Kier made promises to provide an adventure Drenthe namdo cu, cu and an other group awor tin cu problemanan apparently seriously doubt atrobe Lanta ta Another group apparently cu tin problemanan seriously doubt atrobe Lanta ta give Huici esnan cu tin di e di governance and accountability give Huici esnan country aki cu tin di e di aki country governance and accountability now. currently. 24ora.com - Prome den 24ora.com News - News http://www.24ora.com http://www.24ora.com Prome den Powered by Joomla! Powered by Joomla! Generated: 29 March, 2009, 23:06 Generated: March 29, 2009, 23:06
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Cu Cu esey riba nan a duna a "vrijwaring" (probably cu nan ta riba illegal esey dune to a "vrijwaring (ta cu probably illegal and null) and hunt na di pa Commissioner Tuma di APA decision against interest, and null) and di pa na hunt Commissioner Tuma di APA decision against interest, even more ta pio. ta itself even more. Partido Real Democracy Party ta pa Parliament urged us fabor cuminsa Hasi your Real democracy we urged Parliament fabor cuminsa ta pa di trabou monitors its Hasi and e locual us gobernantenan ta Hasi. trabou monitors and di e ta gobernantenan Hasi locual us. Corda A one a di corda cu while giving parliament danki Boso ta na e di votonan a while and votadornan di Boso ta cu den e votonan parliament danki e di di na votadornan PDR, and in any case cu responsibility Boso ta pa di PDR represents thousands, and in any case cu ta pa di Boso liability represents thousands Arubanonan trahador dignity and according to Boso consenshi. Arubanonan di trahador dignity and Boso consenshi seconds. 24ora.com - Prome den 24ora.com News - News http://www.24ora.com http://www.24ora.com Prome den Powered by Joomla! Powered by Joomla! Generated: March 29, 2009, 23:06 Generated: 29 March, 2009, 23:06
Original Spanish text:
Trahan emocion riba di Hende ta bisa cu e ta ta Astec monopoly.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 11:13:10 PM
Hey Bean ..........

You Out There .............



Heh back at ya Widg!  I'm here.  Sorry I stepped away for a bit.  Good to see ya back.  Missed yr humor.  Much needed after 4 yrs of crap out of Aruba.

Its Unbelievable .........

And Until Someone Really Steps Up To The Plate And Rocks Some Cages

We Will Be Stroking  Ourselves Til The Good Lord Takes Us

I was hoping Peter de Vries out of Holland would get that done.  They say he's a barracuda that never gives up.  Maybe the powers involved in this got to him too?  I dunno.  Just hard to believe this family never got one single break in 4 yrs.  Not one.

Now they have another freeloader claiming to help them (my opinion) sucking up to ALE on a tip given to Dave H by someone who called and bugged him so frequently he couldn't sleep at night and is spending thousands once more for more of the same.

I would love to see someone step up.  Who's left?

Well this is just my opinion.  I don't believe DeVries will crack this case.  He will give us so much and then we will all hear silence.  He would have done his job.  We will get the enemy saying look at all we did for these people and what do they do they criticize us.

You know like we sent in the Dutch Marines blah blah blah.

Something will happen in this case when our own FBI finally puts the pressure on people.

The Only Crack I'm Hoping To See Is When ..........

Someone Cracks Joran Off The Brain Pan ..........



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 11:13:38 PM
3/30/2009 Awe Mainta Page 2

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Papiamentu translation:

buskeda of natalee holloway owing to follow in dam of monserat

in end of week, the expertonan mericano owing to follow cu they buskeda of cadaver of the student mericano desapareci, natalee holloway. the trip here they owing to achieve asistencia of cuerpo of bombero for spuit all thing they owing to achieve. anything is assure, is very sushedad self have in the dam of monserat. thing owing to being achieve is one panty, cu owing to stay confisca, they study if the can is of natalee, although are you cuestiona, owing to achieve zapato, owing to achieve panty, but nothing of natalee holloway. the investigacion is follow.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 29, 2009, 11:17:22 PM
Lifesong Here is another one but it needs a better transalation noticed I highlighted Trahan  ::MonkeyEek::



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Mansur ta comenta riba asunto di APA y Astec Mansur says ta riba di APA case and Astec Saturday, 31 January 2009 - 09:56 Saturday, 31 January 2009 - 09:56 Ta Ta visto cu e Gobierno actual ta bay persisti den kibra e contrato entre Viewed cu e ta bay current government persisted den Kibra and contract between APA y Astec, pa asina por entrega e hafnan di Aruba na un empresa di APA and Astec, delivered by e pa asin Hafner di na Aruba a company di Spaño di e grupo Trusam. E di Trusam span group. Un A di e argumentonan cu Premier Oduber ta uza pa hustifica esaki, y pa e di argumentonan Premier Oduber ta cu hustifica esaki UZA pa, and pa traha riba emocion di hende ta cu e ta bisa Astec ta un monopolio. Trahan emocion riba di Hende ta bisa cu e ta ta Astec monopoly. Esey Esey no ta completamente correcto: Astec tin palabracion cu APA pa repartición ta not completely correct: Astec palabracion cu tin pa APA division di e entradanan pa servicio, pues waf ta wordo maneha pa un joint venture di pa entradanan and service, as WAF maneha word ta pa a joint venture entre APA cu Astec, den cual APA no mester garantisa Astec ningun ganashi, between APA cu Astec, which are not APA ganashi no mester garantisa Astec, tur dos ta core risico. ta tur two core risico. Click read more pa lesa mas. Click read more pa mas against. Den Den e situación cu gobierno kier crea 1. and state government Kier creates 1 cu. Astec, un empresa Arubano, ta Astec, a company Arubano, ta bay wordo reemplaza pa un compania Spaòo, 2. word replaces a bay pa Spaòo company, 2. e empleadonan di Astec e di empleadonan Astec ta core risico di bay perde trabow of nan aòa di servicio, y 3. ta bay di risico core of trabow perde nan di aoa service, and 3. APA APA mester bay garantisa e compania Spaòo un ganashi di 12% pa aòa! mester bay garantisa company Spaòo and a 12% pa di ganashi aoa! Pues Well un negoshi di cangrew: no tin sentido pa cambia Astec pa un berdadero a negoshi di cangrew no sense tin pa pa a change Astec berdadero monopolio estranhero, caminda APA ta bay bira un esclavo di garantia. estranhero monopoly, caminda APA Bira a slave ta bay di warranty. Pa Pa colmo tin hopi pregunta riba e grupo Spaòo. Hopi question top tin riba e Spaòo group. Trusam ta un empresa cu Ta cu Trusam a company ta 54% di Señor Juan Manuel Trujillo y 46% di Señor Jesús Samper, ta 54% say Mr Juan Manuel Trujillo, 46% di Jesus Samper, ambos di nacionalidad spañó. both di nationality span. Na e momentonan aki e dos personanan E na aki momentonan and two personanan aki ta bringá cu otro, ye diferencia di opinion entre nan ta parce aki cu ta bring other, e difference between nan ta di opinion parcels di ta afectando nan negoshinan negativamente. di nan ta negoshinan affected negatively. Den Den e dianan aki, un di nan companíanan, e team di voetbal Real Murcia e aki target, a di nan companíanan, e di voetbal team Real Murcia lo wordo declara bankarota cu debenan di mas di 30 miyon Euro. what word should be said bankarota cu mas di di 30 Euro miyon. Esaki, Esaki, apesar cu e equipo atravez di e añanan tabatin entradanan di cientos despite cu e team and across di di hundreds Añana tabatin entradanan di miyones di Euro. miyones di di Euro. E E haf di Aruba, entrada principal di virtualmente tur nos productonan, HAF di Aruba, virtually main di tur productonan us, no ta un pieza di wega &ldquo;monopoly&rdquo; cu cual nos mandatarionan por not a piece ta di WEGA "monopoly" cu mandatarionan for us hasi y deshasi pa loco. Hasi and deshasi pa loco. Ta trata di un situacion serio cu cual mester Ta di deals a serious situation which cu mester anda cu suma cautela. anda cu caution. E E hecho cu prome kier a drenta den un aventura cu Namdar, y awor cu un cu Kier made promises to provide an adventure Drenthe namdo cu, cu and an awor otro grupo cu aparentemente tin problemanan serio, ta lanta duda atrobe Another group apparently cu tin problemanan seriously doubt atrobe ta Lanta den a huicio di esnan cu tin e responsabilidad di goberna e pais aki give Huici esnan cu tin di e di governance and accountability country aki actualmente. currently. 24ora.com - Prome den Noticia 24ora.com - Prome den News http://www.24ora.com http://www.24ora.com Powered by Joomla! Powered by Joomla! Generated: 29 March, 2009, 23:06 Generated: 29 March, 2009, 23:06
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Cu Cu riba esey nan a duna un &ldquo;vrijwaring&rdquo; (cu probablemente ta illegal riba nan esey dune to a "vrijwaring (ta cu probably illegal y nulo) na e hunta di comisario pa tuma decision contra interes di APA, and null) and hunt na di pa Commissioner Tuma decision against interest di APA, ta aun mas pio. ta itself even more. Partido Party Democracia Real ta urgi nos Parlamento pa por fabor cuminsa hasi su Real democracy we urged Parliament ta pa fabor cuminsa its Hasi trabou di vigila y para e locual nos gobernantenan ta hasi. monitors and trabou di e ta gobernantenan Hasi locual us. Corda un A corda rato cu un di boso ta den parlamento danki na e votonan di e votadornan while a di Boso ta cu den e votonan parliament danki na e di votadornan di PDR, y cu en todo caso ta boso responsabilidad pa representa miles di PDR, and in any case cu ta pa Boso liability represents thousands di Arubanonan trahador dignamente y segun boso consenshi. di Arubanonan trahador dignity and Boso consenshi seconds. 24ora.com - Prome den Noticia 24ora.com - Prome den News http://www.24ora.com http://www.24ora.com Powered by Joomla! Powered by Joomla! Generated: 29 March, 2009, 23:06 Generated: 29 March, 2009, 23:06
Original Spanish text:
traha riba emocion di hende ta cu e ta bisa Astec ta un monopolio.
 

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Mansur ta comenta riba asunto di APA y Astec Mansur says ta riba di APA case and Astec Saturday, 31 January 2009 - 09:56 Saturday, 31 January 2009 - 09:56 Ta Ta visto cu e Gobierno actual ta bay persisti den kibra e contrato entre Viewed cu e ta bay current government persisted den Kibra and contract between APA y Astec, pa asina por entrega e hafnan di Aruba na un empresa di APA and Astec, delivered by e pa asin Hafner di na Aruba a company di Spaño di e grupo Trusam. E di Trusam span group. Un A di e argumentonan cu Premier Oduber ta uza pa hustifica esaki, y pa e di argumentonan Premier Oduber ta cu hustifica esaki UZA pa, and pa traha riba emocion di hende ta cu e ta bisa Astec ta un monopolio. Trahan emocion riba di Hende ta bisa cu e ta ta Astec monopoly. Esey Esey no ta completamente correcto: Astec tin palabracion cu APA pa repartición ta not completely correct: Astec palabracion cu tin pa APA division di e entradanan pa servicio, pues waf ta wordo maneha pa un joint venture di pa entradanan and service, as WAF maneha word ta pa a joint venture entre APA cu Astec, den cual APA no mester garantisa Astec ningun ganashi, between APA cu Astec, which are not APA ganashi no mester garantisa Astec, tur dos ta core risico. ta tur two core risico. Click read more pa lesa mas. Click read more pa mas against. Den Den e situación cu gobierno kier crea 1. and state government Kier creates 1 cu. Astec, un empresa Arubano, ta Astec, a company Arubano, ta bay wordo reemplaza pa un compania Spaòo, 2. word replaces a bay pa Spaòo company, 2. e empleadonan di Astec e di empleadonan Astec ta core risico di bay perde trabow of nan aòa di servicio, y 3. ta bay di risico core of trabow perde nan di aoa service, and 3. APA APA mester bay garantisa e compania Spaòo un ganashi di 12% pa aòa! mester bay garantisa company Spaòo and a 12% pa di ganashi aoa! Pues Well un negoshi di cangrew: no tin sentido pa cambia Astec pa un berdadero a negoshi di cangrew no sense tin pa pa a change Astec berdadero monopolio estranhero, caminda APA ta bay bira un esclavo di garantia. estranhero monopoly, caminda APA Bira a slave ta bay di warranty. Pa Pa colmo tin hopi pregunta riba e grupo Spaòo. Hopi question top tin riba e Spaòo group. Trusam ta un empresa cu Ta cu Trusam a company ta 54% di Señor Juan Manuel Trujillo y 46% di Señor Jesús Samper, ta 54% say Mr Juan Manuel Trujillo, 46% di Jesus Samper, ambos di nacionalidad spañó. both di nationality span. Na e momentonan aki e dos personanan E na aki momentonan and two personanan aki ta bringá cu otro, ye diferencia di opinion entre nan ta parce aki cu ta bring other, e difference between nan ta di opinion parcels di ta afectando nan negoshinan negativamente. di nan ta negoshinan affected negatively. Den Den e dianan aki, un di nan companíanan, e team di voetbal Real Murcia e aki target, a di nan companíanan, e di voetbal team Real Murcia lo wordo declara bankarota cu debenan di mas di 30 miyon Euro. what word should be said bankarota cu mas di di 30 Euro miyon. Esaki, Esaki, apesar cu e equipo atravez di e añanan tabatin entradanan di cientos despite cu e team and across di di hundreds Añana tabatin entradanan di miyones di Euro. miyones di di Euro. E E haf di Aruba, entrada principal di virtualmente tur nos productonan, HAF di Aruba, virtually main di tur productonan us, no ta un pieza di wega &ldquo;monopoly&rdquo; cu cual nos mandatarionan por not a piece ta di WEGA "monopoly" cu mandatarionan for us hasi y deshasi pa loco. Hasi and deshasi pa loco. Ta trata di un situacion serio cu cual mester Ta di deals a serious situation which cu mester anda cu suma cautela. anda cu caution. E E hecho cu prome kier a drenta den un aventura cu Namdar, y awor cu un cu Kier made promises to provide an adventure Drenthe namdo cu, cu and an awor otro grupo cu aparentemente tin problemanan serio, ta lanta duda atrobe Another group apparently cu tin problemanan seriously doubt atrobe ta Lanta den a huicio di esnan cu tin e responsabilidad di goberna e pais aki give Huici esnan cu tin di e di governance and accountability country aki actualmente. currently. 24ora.com - Prome den Noticia 24ora.com - Prome den News http://www.24ora.com http://www.24ora.com Powered by Joomla! Powered by Joomla! Generated: 29 March, 2009, 23:06 Generated: 29 March, 2009, 23:06
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Cu Cu riba esey nan a duna un &ldquo;vrijwaring&rdquo; (cu probablemente ta illegal riba nan esey dune to a "vrijwaring (ta cu probably illegal y nulo) na e hunta di comisario pa tuma decision contra interes di APA, and null) and hunt na di pa Commissioner Tuma decision against interest di APA, ta aun mas pio. ta itself even more. Partido Party Democracia Real ta urgi nos Parlamento pa por fabor cuminsa hasi su Real democracy we urged Parliament ta pa fabor cuminsa its Hasi trabou di vigila y para e locual nos gobernantenan ta hasi. monitors and trabou di e ta gobernantenan Hasi locual us. Corda un A corda rato cu un di boso ta den parlamento danki na e votonan di e votadornan while a di Boso ta cu den e votonan parliament danki na e di votadornan di PDR, y cu en todo caso ta boso responsabilidad pa representa miles di PDR, and in any case cu ta pa Boso liability represents thousands di Arubanonan trahador dignamente y segun boso consenshi. di Arubanonan trahador dignity and Boso consenshi seconds. 24ora.com - Prome den Noticia 24ora.com - Prome den News http://www.24ora.com http://www.24ora.com Powered by Joomla! Powered by Joomla! Generated: 29 March, 2009, 23:06 Generated: 29 March, 2009, 23:06
Original Spanish text:
traha riba emocion di hende ta cu e ta bisa Astec ta un monopolio.
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Mansur says ta riba di APA case and Astec Mansur says ta riba di APA case and Astec Saturday, 31 January 2009 - 09:56 Saturday, 31 January 2009 - 09:56 Ta Ta seen cu e ta bay current government persisted den Kibra and contract Viewed from cu e ta bay den Kibra persistent current government and contract between APA and Astec, delivered by e pa asin Hafner di na Aruba di APA and an Astec company, delivered by e pa asin Hafner di na Aruba a company group e di di Spano Trusam. E di group Trusam span. A di A e Premier Oduber argumentonan cu ta pa hustifica UZA esaki and pa e di argumentonan Premier Oduber ta cu hustifica esaki UZA pa, and pa riba Trahan emocion di Hende ta bisa cu e ta ta Astec monopoly. Trahan emocion riba di Hende ta bisa cu e ta ta Astec monopoly. Ta Esey Esey not completely correct: Astec palabracion cu tin pa APA division ta not completely correct: Astec palabracion APA division cu tin pa di pa entradanan and service, as WAF maneha word ta pa di pa a joint venture entradanan and service, as WAF maneha word ta pa a joint venture between APA cu Astec, which are not APA garantisa Astec no mester ganashi, between APA cu Astec, which are not APA ganashi no mester garantisa Astec, tur ta two core risico. ta tur two core risico. Click read more pa mas against. Click read more pa mas against. Den Den and state government Kier creates 1 cu. and state government creates Kier 1 cu. Astec, a company Arubano, ta Astec, a company Arubano, ta bay pa word replaces a company Spaòo, 2. word replaces a bay pa Spaòo company, 2. empleadonan e di e di empleadonan Astec Astec core risico ta bay di perde nan aoa di trabow of service, and 3. ta bay di risico core of trabow perde nan di aoa service, and 3. APA APA garantisa mester bay and a company Spaòo di ganashi aoa 12% pa! mester bay garantisa company Spaòo and a 12% pa di ganashi aoa! Well Well a negoshi di cangrew no sense tin pa pa a berdadero changed to Astec negoshi di cangrew no sense to change tin pa pa Astec berdadero monopoly estranhero, APA caminda a slave ta bay di Bira guarantee. estranhero monopoly, a slave caminda APA Bira ta bay di warranty. Pa Pa ultimate question Hopi tin riba e Spaòo group. Hopi question top tin riba e Spaòo group. Trusam a company cu ta Ta ta cu Trusam company to 54% gave Mr Juan Manuel Trujillo, 46% di Jesus Samper, ta 54% say Mr Juan Manuel Trujillo, 46% di Jesus Samper, both di nationality span. both di nationality span. E na aki momentonan and two personanan E na aki momentonan and two personanan aki cu ta bring other, e difference between nan ta di opinion Parce cu aki ta bring other, and difference between nan ta di opinion Parcels di nan ta negoshinan adversely affected. di nan ta negoshinan affected negatively. Den Den target e aki, a di nan companíanan, e di voetbal team Real Murcia e aki target, a di nan companíanan, e di voetbal team Real Murcia what word should be said bankarota cu mas di di 30 Euro miyon. what word should be said bankarota cu mas di di 30 Euro miyon. Esaki, Esaki, despite cu e team di e Añana across tabatin entradanan di e team cu despite hundreds and hundreds across di di di miyones Añana tabatin entradanan di Euro. miyones di di Euro. EE HAF di Aruba, virtually main di tur productonan us, HAF di Aruba, virtually main di tur productonan us, not a piece ta di WEGA "monopoly" cu mandatarionan for us not a piece ta di WEGA "monopoly" cu mandatarionan Hasi deshasi for us and pa crazy. Hasi and deshasi pa loco. Ta di deals a serious situation which cu mester di Ta deals a serious situation which go cu cu mester caution. anda cu caution. EE fact cu Drenthe promised to give Kier cu namdo adventure, and a cu cu awor Kier made promises to provide an adventure Drenthe namdo cu, cu and an other group awor tin cu problemanan apparently seriously doubt atrobe Lanta ta Another group apparently cu tin problemanan seriously doubt atrobe Lanta ta give Huici esnan cu tin di e di governance and accountability give Huici esnan country aki cu tin di e di aki country governance and accountability now. currently. 24ora.com - Prome den 24ora.com News - News http://www.24ora.com http://www.24ora.com Prome den Powered by Joomla! Powered by Joomla! Generated: 29 March, 2009, 23:06 Generated: March 29, 2009, 23:06
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Cu Cu esey riba nan a duna a "vrijwaring" (probably cu nan ta riba illegal esey dune to a "vrijwaring (ta cu probably illegal and null) and hunt na di pa Commissioner Tuma di APA decision against interest, and null) and di pa na hunt Commissioner Tuma di APA decision against interest, even more ta pio. ta itself even more. Partido Real Democracy Party ta pa Parliament urged us fabor cuminsa Hasi your Real democracy we urged Parliament fabor cuminsa ta pa di trabou monitors its Hasi and e locual us gobernantenan ta Hasi. trabou monitors and di e ta gobernantenan Hasi locual us. Corda A one a di corda cu while giving parliament danki Boso ta na e di votonan a while and votadornan di Boso ta cu den e votonan parliament danki e di di na votadornan PDR, and in any case cu responsibility Boso ta pa di PDR represents thousands, and in any case cu ta pa di Boso liability represents thousands Arubanonan trahador dignity and according to Boso consenshi. Arubanonan di trahador dignity and Boso consenshi seconds. 24ora.com - Prome den 24ora.com News - News http://www.24ora.com http://www.24ora.com Prome den Powered by Joomla! Powered by Joomla! Generated: March 29, 2009, 23:06 Generated: 29 March, 2009, 23:06
Original Spanish text:
Trahan emocion riba di Hende ta bisa cu e ta ta Astec monopoly.
 
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 29, 2009, 11:20:42 PM

wth...did Caps plant the panties that Alberto found?!   ::MonkeyHaHa::    ::MonkeyHaHa::


On another note:  Please, someone, tell me that Jossy is not involved with Crazy:

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Hotshot
Lively Case Discussion #611 5/1 - 5/2/2007 
on: May 02, 2007, 06:30:05 AM 

Carpe, yes that was really Satish, I had an IP tracker on the site, and reported it to tech on Zorpia, and he even confirmed it all.  Sorry about last night not responding, fell asleep at the puter.

I wrote to our good friend in aruba last night, telling him how we all applaud him for the good he is doing, and got quite a letter back.  However I will post here one line that it looks like he will really stand by for a while.
But I will no longer accept any invitation from Greta or her producers. 





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 11:23:17 PM

wth...did Caps plant the panties that Alberto found?!   ::MonkeyHaHa::    ::MonkeyHaHa::


On another note:  Please, someone, tell me that Jossy is not involved with Crazy:

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Hotshot
Lively Case Discussion #611 5/1 - 5/2/2007 
on: May 02, 2007, 06:30:05 AM 

Carpe, yes that was really Satish, I had an IP tracker on the site, and reported it to tech on Zorpia, and he even confirmed it all.  Sorry about last night not responding, fell asleep at the puter.

I wrote to our good friend in aruba last night, telling him how we all applaud him for the good he is doing, and got quite a letter back.  However I will post here one line that it looks like he will really stand by for a while.
But I will no longer accept any invitation from Greta or her producers. 





I Remember Jossy Throwing Alot Of Shit Around Especially

The Arm That Washed Ashore In Venezuela .........


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: San on March 29, 2009, 11:23:21 PM
3/30/2009 Awe Mainta Page 2

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Papiamentu translation:

buskeda of natalee holloway owing to follow in dam of monserat

in end of week, the expertonan mericano owing to follow cu they buskeda of cadaver of the student mericano desapareci, natalee holloway. the trip here they owing to achieve asistencia of cuerpo of bombero for spuit all thing they owing to achieve. anything is assure, is very sushedad self have in the dam of monserat. thing owing to being achieve is one panty, cu owing to stay confisca, they study if the can is of natalee, although are you cuestiona, owing to achieve zapato, owing to achieve panty, but nothing of natalee holloway. the investigacion is follow.

I just must be in such a bad mood tonight but these people have no scruples.  Do we really need to see him holding those underwear.

The more I see this guy the more he makes me sick.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 29, 2009, 11:25:44 PM
3/30/2009 Awe Mainta Page 2

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03302009AweMaintaPg2.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

buskeda of natalee holloway owing to follow in dam of monserat

in end of week, the expertonan mericano owing to follow cu they buskeda of cadaver of the student mericano desapareci, natalee holloway. the trip here they owing to achieve asistencia of cuerpo of bombero for spuit all thing they owing to achieve. anything is assure, is very sushedad self have in the dam of monserat. thing owing to being achieve is one panty, cu owing to stay confisca, they study if the can is of natalee, although are you cuestiona, owing to achieve zapato, owing to achieve panty, but nothing of natalee holloway. the investigacion is follow.

I just must be in such a bad mood tonight but these people have no scruples.  Do we really need to see him holding those underwear.

The more I see this guy the more he makes me sick.

FTLOG, somebody keep him away from the cameras.

Yes, they are making fun of him in the press and he is too dense to get it.  And he is certainly playing the fool for them, too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: San on March 29, 2009, 11:27:14 PM

wth...did Caps plant the panties that Alberto found?!   ::MonkeyHaHa::    ::MonkeyHaHa::


On another note:  Please, someone, tell me that Jossy is not involved with Crazy:

Quote

Hotshot
Lively Case Discussion #611 5/1 - 5/2/2007 
on: May 02, 2007, 06:30:05 AM 

Carpe, yes that was really Satish, I had an IP tracker on the site, and reported it to tech on Zorpia, and he even confirmed it all.  Sorry about last night not responding, fell asleep at the puter.

I wrote to our good friend in aruba last night, telling him how we all applaud him for the good he is doing, and got quite a letter back.  However I will post here one line that it looks like he will really stand by for a while.
But I will no longer accept any invitation from Greta or her producers. 





Not only did Jossy appear on Greta she went to the island with Beth and took Jossy's wife with her when they visited.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 11:30:09 PM

wth...did Caps plant the panties that Alberto found?!   ::MonkeyHaHa::    ::MonkeyHaHa::


On another note:  Please, someone, tell me that Jossy is not involved with Crazy:

Quote

Hotshot
Lively Case Discussion #611 5/1 - 5/2/2007 
on: May 02, 2007, 06:30:05 AM 

Carpe, yes that was really Satish, I had an IP tracker on the site, and reported it to tech on Zorpia, and he even confirmed it all.  Sorry about last night not responding, fell asleep at the puter.

I wrote to our good friend in aruba last night, telling him how we all applaud him for the good he is doing, and got quite a letter back.  However I will post here one line that it looks like he will really stand by for a while.
But I will no longer accept any invitation from Greta or her producers. 





Not only did Jossy appear on Greta she went to the island with Beth and took Jossy's wife with her when they visited.

Jossy Always Seemed Sympathetic Towards Beth

But I Never Fully Trusted This Guy ..........

To Many Wild Goose Chases ..........



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 29, 2009, 11:40:36 PM
3/30/2009 Awe Mainta Page 2

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03302009AweMaintaPg2.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

buskeda of natalee holloway owing to follow in dam of monserat

in end of week, the expertonan mericano owing to follow cu they buskeda of cadaver of the student mericano desapareci, natalee holloway. the trip here they owing to achieve asistencia of cuerpo of bombero for spuit all thing they owing to achieve. anything is assure, is very sushedad self have in the dam of monserat. thing owing to being achieve is one panty, cu owing to stay confisca, they study if the can is of natalee, although are you cuestiona, owing to achieve zapato, owing to achieve panty, but nothing of natalee holloway. the investigacion is follow.

I just must be in such a bad mood tonight but these people have no scruples.  Do we really need to see him holding those underwear.

The more I see this guy the more he makes me sick.

The pics texasmom posted earlier had him wearing gloves, and this is so gross.....wth?   I agree, that this is ugh.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: San on March 29, 2009, 11:44:10 PM

wth...did Caps plant the panties that Alberto found?!   ::MonkeyHaHa::    ::MonkeyHaHa::


On another note:  Please, someone, tell me that Jossy is not involved with Crazy:

Quote

Hotshot
Lively Case Discussion #611 5/1 - 5/2/2007 
on: May 02, 2007, 06:30:05 AM 

Carpe, yes that was really Satish, I had an IP tracker on the site, and reported it to tech on Zorpia, and he even confirmed it all.  Sorry about last night not responding, fell asleep at the puter.

I wrote to our good friend in aruba last night, telling him how we all applaud him for the good he is doing, and got quite a letter back.  However I will post here one line that it looks like he will really stand by for a while.
But I will no longer accept any invitation from Greta or her producers. 





Not only did Jossy appear on Greta she went to the island with Beth and took Jossy's wife with her when they visited.

Jossy Always Seemed Sympathetic Towards Beth

But I Never Fully Trusted This Guy ..........

To Many Wild Goose Chases ..........


 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 11:45:25 PM
Off Topic Thought ..........

If The Banks & Mortgage Companies Like Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac

Sold There Toxic Assets To Foreign Investors Known As Derivatives

What Happened To The $ 675 Trillion Dollars That Was Invested In

This Under The Table Type Of Credit Market Which I Call Junk

Bonds That Pay Their Investors High Interest Rates . These Derivatives

Were Sold Throughout Europe, Russia & China .

So Why Are We Bailing These Guys Out

Wheres The $675 Trillion Dollars

Companies Running The Government Is Facism ..............



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 11:46:50 PM
3/30/2009 Awe Mainta Page 2

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03302009AweMaintaPg2.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

buskeda of natalee holloway owing to follow in dam of monserat

in end of week, the expertonan mericano owing to follow cu they buskeda of cadaver of the student mericano desapareci, natalee holloway. the trip here they owing to achieve asistencia of cuerpo of bombero for spuit all thing they owing to achieve. anything is assure, is very sushedad self have in the dam of monserat. thing owing to being achieve is one panty, cu owing to stay confisca, they study if the can is of natalee, although are you cuestiona, owing to achieve zapato, owing to achieve panty, but nothing of natalee holloway. the investigacion is follow.

I just must be in such a bad mood tonight but these people have no scruples.  Do we really need to see him holding those underwear.

The more I see this guy the more he makes me sick.

The pics texasmom posted earlier had him wearing gloves, and this is so gross.....wth?   I agree, that this is ugh.

Where are your gloves Fred?

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/churchlady.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2009, 11:49:18 PM
Just posted on the front page of SM tonight:

Crioyo (in Aruba again)Submitted on 2009/03/29 at 9:08pm

Incredbible….4 years have passed and the discussion is just as fierce as on day 1. Not going to get into it. I just hope the recent search brings some kind of closure whether they do or don’t find anything.

…there was another case of tourists finding a bone on the north side of the island again couples days back. anybody hear bout that? i’ll go on a limb and say it’s 99% safe to assume it’s not human. last i heard it was being sent to forensics…



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 11:51:58 PM
3/30/2009 Awe Mainta Page 2

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03302009AweMaintaPg2.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

buskeda of natalee holloway owing to follow in dam of monserat

in end of week, the expertonan mericano owing to follow cu they buskeda of cadaver of the student mericano desapareci, natalee holloway. the trip here they owing to achieve asistencia of cuerpo of bombero for spuit all thing they owing to achieve. anything is assure, is very sushedad self have in the dam of monserat. thing owing to being achieve is one panty, cu owing to stay confisca, they study if the can is of natalee, although are you cuestiona, owing to achieve zapato, owing to achieve panty, but nothing of natalee holloway. the investigacion is follow.

I just must be in such a bad mood tonight but these people have no scruples.  Do we really need to see him holding those underwear.

The more I see this guy the more he makes me sick.

The pics texasmom posted earlier had him wearing gloves, and this is so gross.....wth?   I agree, that this is ugh.

Where are your gloves Fred?

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/churchlady.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

4 Years After The Fact ...........

Too Little ..... Too Late .....



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 29, 2009, 11:53:12 PM
Just posted on the front page of SM tonight:

Crioyo (in Aruba again)Submitted on 2009/03/29 at 9:08pm

Incredbible….4 years have passed and the discussion is just as fierce as on day 1. Not going to get into it. I just hope the recent search brings some kind of closure whether they do or don’t find anything.

…there was another case of tourists finding a bone on the north side of the island again couples days back. anybody hear bout that? i’ll go on a limb and say it’s 99% safe to assume it’s not human. last i heard it was being sent to forensics…



Probably Just One Of Those Donkeys Klaas .............



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 29, 2009, 11:59:51 PM
Lifesong Here is another one but it needs a better transalation noticed I highlighted Trahan  ::MonkeyEek::


<<snipped>>

 
Here's the link

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.24ora.com/index2.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26do_pdf%3D1%26id%3D7168&ei=V7i9Se_mLKW1twfJ4vX3Cw&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DAstec%2BAPA%2Baruba%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4GWYA_enUS318US318%26sa%3DN%26start%3D10


http://www.24ora.com http://www.24ora.com


Thanks, Hotping!  I'm going to work on this for a bit tonight and see what happens.  I have gotten back to work on the Timeline, will have another update ready this week.


 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 29, 2009, 11:59:57 PM
Off Topic Thought ..........

If The Banks & Mortgage Companies Like Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac

Sold There Toxic Assets To Foreign Investors Known As Derivatives

What Happened To The $ 675 Trillion Dollars That Was Invested In

This Under The Table Type Of Credit Market Which I Call Junk

Bonds That Pay Their Investors High Interest Rates . These Derivatives

Were Sold Throughout Europe, Russia & China .

So Why Are We Bailing These Guys Out

Wheres The $675 Trillion Dollars

Companies Running The Government Is Facism ..............



Brings us back to follow the money.... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 30, 2009, 12:00:43 AM
Just posted on the front page of SM tonight:

Crioyo (in Aruba again)Submitted on 2009/03/29 at 9:08pm

Incredbible….4 years have passed and the discussion is just as fierce as on day 1. Not going to get into it. I just hope the recent search brings some kind of closure whether they do or don’t find anything.

…there was another case of tourists finding a bone on the north side of the island again couples days back. anybody hear bout that? i’ll go on a limb and say it’s 99% safe to assume it’s not human. last i heard it was being sent to forensics…



Probably Just One Of Those Donkeys Klaas .............



 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Exactly what I was thinking - not another donkey bone!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 30, 2009, 12:00:46 AM
Just posted on the front page of SM tonight:

Crioyo (in Aruba again)Submitted on 2009/03/29 at 9:08pm

Incredbible….4 years have passed and the discussion is just as fierce as on day 1. Not going to get into it. I just hope the recent search brings some kind of closure whether they do or don’t find anything.

…there was another case of tourists finding a bone on the north side of the island again couples days back. anybody hear bout that? i’ll go on a limb and say it’s 99% safe to assume it’s not human. last i heard it was being sent to forensics…



Maybe Natalee Is In A Harem ........

Maybe The Shitheads Story Of Selling Her Was True ....



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 30, 2009, 12:03:16 AM
G'nite, everyone.  I'm beat.  See you later.

Widget, good to see you and hope you return.  You've been away too long and your dialog is more than thought provoking. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 30, 2009, 12:04:19 AM
G'nite, everyone.  I'm beat.  See you later.

Widget, good to see you and hope you return.  You've been away too long and your dialog is more than thought provoking. 

Goodnight 2NJS .........

Sweet Dreams ...........


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 12:04:53 AM
Widget - we don't talk politics in the missing persons threads...you know that ::MonkeyWink::  Please go to the political forum area and I'm sure you get plenty of responses about it !


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 12:05:17 AM
G'nite, everyone.  I'm beat.  See you later.

Widget, good to see you and hope you return.  You've been away too long and your dialog is more than thought provoking. 

Nite 2NJ


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 30, 2009, 12:06:19 AM
Widget - we don't talk politics in the missing persons threads...you know that ::MonkeyWink::  Please go to the political forum area and I'm sure you get plenty of responses about it !

Sorry Klaas ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 30, 2009, 12:06:42 AM
Lifesong Here is another one but it needs a better transalation noticed I highlighted Trahan  ::MonkeyEek::


<<snipped>>

 
Here's the link

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.24ora.com/index2.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26do_pdf%3D1%26id%3D7168&ei=V7i9Se_mLKW1twfJ4vX3Cw&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DAstec%2BAPA%2Baruba%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4GWYA_enUS318US318%26sa%3DN%26start%3D10


http://www.24ora.com http://www.24ora.com


Thanks, Hotping!  I'm going to work on this for a bit tonight and see what happens.  I have gotten back to work on the Timeline, will have another update ready this week.


 
YW Lifesong......I'm Glad You're Back.....I need to know what to research.....I'm alittle lost with all that has been thrown on the table lately......Help...lol  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 30, 2009, 12:07:31 AM
G'nite, everyone.  I'm beat.  See you later.

Widget, good to see you and hope you return.  You've been away too long and your dialog is more than thought provoking. 
Good Night 2NJ!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 30, 2009, 12:26:32 AM
I was just talking to my friend Janice.  She said what's going on with Natalee Holloway?

She had seen the interview with Tim Miller on NBC13.

I said OK....tell me exactly what he said.  She said Tim was "spit-fir'in mad...even said a bad word or two.
He was mad about the guy who was down there searching the pond.  That he was just messing things
up for legimate searchers.  She said that Tim said that he was going back in a few weeks to search on
targets that had not been searched before.

I asked if he mentioned money.....yes, she said that he had raised money, she couldn't remember how
much to fund another search.

I asked if he mentioned a boat....yes she said that Tim said that a big boat was coming from Trinadad.

Then she said that the reporter said that they couldn't interview Fred Golba because he had agreed
not to speak to the press.

So somebody did she the Tim Miller interview and I guess he did say those things.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2009, 12:26:54 AM
G'nite, everyone.  I'm beat.  See you later.

Widget, good to see you and hope you return.  You've been away too long and your dialog is more than thought provoking. 

Good Night 2NJ!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2009, 12:33:04 AM
I was just talking to my friend Janice.  She said what's going on with Natalee Holloway?

She had seen the interview with Tim Miller on NBC13.

I said OK....tell me exactly what he said.  She said Tim was "spit-fir'in mad...even said a bad word or two.
He was mad about the guy who was down there searching the pond.  That he was just messing things
up for legimate searchers.  She said that Tim said that he was going back in a few weeks to search on
targets that had not been searched before.

I asked if he mentioned money.....yes, she said that he had raised money, she couldn't remember how
much to fund another search.

I asked if he mentioned a boat....yes she said that Tim said that a big boat was coming from Trinadad.

Then she said that the reporter said that they couldn't interview Fred Golba because he had agreed
not to speak to the press.

So somebody did she the Tim Miller interview and I guess he did say those things.

Magnolia, did you understand it to be a telephone interview?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 30, 2009, 12:35:45 AM
I was just talking to my friend Janice.  She said what's going on with Natalee Holloway?

She had seen the interview with Tim Miller on NBC13.

I said OK....tell me exactly what he said.  She said Tim was "spit-fir'in mad...even said a bad word or two.
He was mad about the guy who was down there searching the pond.  That he was just messing things
up for legimate searchers.  She said that Tim said that he was going back in a few weeks to search on
targets that had not been searched before.

I asked if he mentioned money.....yes, she said that he had raised money, she couldn't remember how
much to fund another search.

I asked if he mentioned a boat....yes she said that Tim said that a big boat was coming from Trinadad.

Then she said that the reporter said that they couldn't interview Fred Golba because he had agreed
not to speak to the press.

So somebody did she the Tim Miller interview and I guess he did say those things.

Magnolia, did you understand it to be a telephone interview?

Yes, I did.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 30, 2009, 12:38:32 AM
Quote

Posted by Kermit
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4633.msg708550#msg708550

Follow the boats.

RECAP of the above post:

Mermis moves to Superior Offshore and purchases Superior Endeavor
Superior Offshore puts 25 million to refurbish that vessel.

Superior Offshore is in bankruptcy
BUT Superior Endeavor is currently on its way to Saudi Arubia for a year through a contract

Gulmar Falcon vessel owned by Superior Offshore is also terminated due to Superior Offshore's bankruptcy troubles.

BUT it's continuing to charter the boat for a short term

Gulmar Condor vessel owned by Superior Offshore is chartered until April 2009 and working for BP in Trinidad.
Hotping - I think its safe to assume the 341-ft. Gulmar Falcon is the 340-foot boat in Trinidad that Jen Hale (I think) referenced as the boat to be used in a future ocean search of the remaining targets ...

That said, what is setting off your hinky meter the most?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 30, 2009, 12:39:31 AM
I'm sorry to say, but it appears to be a HUGE disconnect between Dave, Beth, Tim, and the main players in this case.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 30, 2009, 12:41:01 AM
Quote

Posted by Kermit
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4633.msg708550#msg708550

Follow the boats.

RECAP of the above post:

Mermis moves to Superior Offshore and purchases Superior Endeavor
Superior Offshore puts 25 million to refurbish that vessel.

Superior Offshore is in bankruptcy
BUT Superior Endeavor is currently on its way to Saudi Arubia for a year through a contract

Gulmar Falcon vessel owned by Superior Offshore is also terminated due to Superior Offshore's bankruptcy troubles.

BUT it's continuing to charter the boat for a short term

Gulmar Condor vessel owned by Superior Offshore is chartered until April 2009 and working for BP in Trinidad.
Hotping - I think its safe to assume the 341-ft. Gulmar Falcon is the 340-foot boat in Trinidad that Jen Hale (I think) referenced as the boat to be used in a future ocean search of the remaining targets ...

That said, what is setting off your hinky meter the most?

I would think that the Gulmar Condor is needed in or near Aruba for some purpose other than
searching for Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2009, 12:45:08 AM
I was just talking to my friend Janice.  She said what's going on with Natalee Holloway?

She had seen the interview with Tim Miller on NBC13.

I said OK....tell me exactly what he said.  She said Tim was "spit-fir'in mad...even said a bad word or two.
He was mad about the guy who was down there searching the pond.  That he was just messing things
up for legimate searchers.  She said that Tim said that he was going back in a few weeks to search on
targets that had not been searched before.

I asked if he mentioned money.....yes, she said that he had raised money, she couldn't remember how
much to fund another search.

I asked if he mentioned a boat....yes she said that Tim said that a big boat was coming from Trinadad.

Then she said that the reporter said that they couldn't interview Fred Golba because he had agreed
not to speak to the press.

So somebody did she the Tim Miller interview and I guess he did say those things.

Magnolia, did you understand it to be a telephone interview?

Yes, I did.

Thanks Magnolia.  I don't know what to think.  I don't recall the disclaimer that was put out saying that Tim never talked to the reporter.  So maybe he didn't realize it would all be included in the newscast? 

I hope Janet will get a response to her letter and that the response will clear things up in my mind.  I'm really confused at this point.  I want to know what Tim Miller has to say about the photos and Kyle Kingman's words regarding the cage.  I won't hold my breath on that though.  I'm sure he was required to sign the same non disclosure agreement that the others on the boat were.  But if he knows what we know and has seen what we've seen, why would he be on board with another search with that group?

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyWaa::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2009, 12:47:11 AM
I'm sorry to say, but it appears to be a HUGE disconnect between Dave, Beth, Tim, and the main players in this case.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I have to agree.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 30, 2009, 12:51:39 AM
Quote

Posted by Kermit
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4633.msg708550#msg708550

Follow the boats.

RECAP of the above post:

Mermis moves to Superior Offshore and purchases Superior Endeavor
Superior Offshore puts 25 million to refurbish that vessel.

Superior Offshore is in bankruptcy
BUT Superior Endeavor is currently on its way to Saudi Arubia for a year through a contract

Gulmar Falcon vessel owned by Superior Offshore is also terminated due to Superior Offshore's bankruptcy troubles.

BUT it's continuing to charter the boat for a short term

Gulmar Condor vessel owned by Superior Offshore is chartered until April 2009 and working for BP in Trinidad.
Hotping - I think its safe to assume the 341-ft. Gulmar Falcon is the 340-foot boat in Trinidad that Jen Hale (I think) referenced as the boat to be used in a future ocean search of the remaining targets ...

That said, what is setting off your hinky meter the most?

I would think that the Gulmar Condor is needed in or near Aruba for some purpose other than
searching for Natalee.

I think it is incredibly hinky that these remaining targets have remained proprietary with Schaefer and Silvetti, and possibly TE.  I cannot understand that without assuming bad things.

Charitable endeavors are not proprietary.  Those targets should be the property of Dave and Beth ONLY - no one else should be in possession of them and they should have the right to dictate precisely who dives on them and what is done with any findings.  (Not that I think she's there - I think they already found her and turned her over.)

I DO NOT want Tim Miller involved in this ocean search in anyway.  He will work with the authorities - it is his MO - I don't think he'll ever agree do it any other way.

It is high time that someone convince Dave, imo, that he must subvert ALE to get the answers he needs and is working so hard for.

JMO and only MO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 30, 2009, 12:54:58 AM
I was just talking to my friend Janice.  She said what's going on with Natalee Holloway?

She had seen the interview with Tim Miller on NBC13.

I said OK....tell me exactly what he said.  She said Tim was "spit-fir'in mad...even said a bad word or two.
He was mad about the guy who was down there searching the pond.  That he was just messing things
up for legimate searchers.  She said that Tim said that he was going back in a few weeks to search on
targets that had not been searched before.

I asked if he mentioned money.....yes, she said that he had raised money, she couldn't remember how
much to fund another search.

I asked if he mentioned a boat....yes she said that Tim said that a big boat was coming from Trinadad.

Then she said that the reporter said that they couldn't interview Fred Golba because he had agreed
not to speak to the press.

So somebody did she the Tim Miller interview and I guess he did say those things.

Magnolia, did you understand it to be a telephone interview?

Yes, I did.

Thanks Magnolia.  I don't know what to think.  I don't recall the disclaimer that was put out saying that Tim never talked to the reporter.  So maybe he didn't realize it would all be included in the newscast? 

I hope Janet will get a response to her letter and that the response will clear things up in my mind.  I'm really confused at this point.  I want to know what Tim Miller has to say about the photos and Kyle Kingman's words regarding the cage.  I won't hold my breath on that though.  I'm sure he was required to sign the same non disclosure agreement that the others on the boat were.  But if he knows what we know and has seen what we've seen, why would he be on board with another search with that group?

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyWaa::
 

I have to say that I was surprised when Janice brought it up.  She only uses a computer for business.
I asked her if Tim seemed like he had been drinking.  She said that she couldn't tell, but he was mad and used
bad word or two.
I don't know what is going on, but it sure smells fishy to me. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2009, 12:59:37 AM
3/30/2009 Awe Mainta Front Page

(I did not include the entire article here, some of the pictures are gruesome.  I do plan to post the complete article in the Murder and Crime thread)

http://awemainta.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%205/03302009AweMaintaFP_1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation of the article:

dead in trafico

diadomingo marduga aruba owing to conoce one another accidente cu consecuencianan fateful. vocero policial, papito comenencia owing to indica cu yesterday morning early central of police owing to dirigi patrol at tanki leendert, near of tanki leendert 94 where cu will have to had one person cu do not give sign of life. hour cu police owing to arrive, y haciendo investigacionnan, they owing to come achieve know cu probably one car have to owing to happen y strike the person y follow core bay. after of this owing to acudi n’e famianan of the fayecido cu have to owing to acudi n’e lugar for identifica the victima. for 8:10 of morning doctor oliva owing to constata dead of shantee ramautar naci at suriname 18 of half 1973 (35 aña) y live at tanki leendert 35f. cuerpo policial is ask all person cu can owing to look at algo of the accidente here for take contacto cu departamento of trafico for they can determina kico exactly can owing to happen in the caso here.tambe cuerpo policial is extende words of condolencia at the family of the fayecido.n’e sitio can did take notice of presencia big of recherche y this according papito comenencia is debi cu have to determina if is one caso of hit & run or algo another will can owing to sosode in the caso regrettable here. in pasado, owing to happen one caso similar, where police owing to atende the caso because; one “hit & run” y after owing to resulta of was one caso of asesinato. pesey, is ask testigonan cu can owing to see algo, for informa police of immediate.awemainta also is send words of deep condolencia at famianan of the fayecido.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2009, 01:04:12 AM
I was just talking to my friend Janice.  She said what's going on with Natalee Holloway?

She had seen the interview with Tim Miller on NBC13.

I said OK....tell me exactly what he said.  She said Tim was "spit-fir'in mad...even said a bad word or two.
He was mad about the guy who was down there searching the pond.  That he was just messing things
up for legimate searchers.  She said that Tim said that he was going back in a few weeks to search on
targets that had not been searched before.

I asked if he mentioned money.....yes, she said that he had raised money, she couldn't remember how
much to fund another search.

I asked if he mentioned a boat....yes she said that Tim said that a big boat was coming from Trinadad.

Then she said that the reporter said that they couldn't interview Fred Golba because he had agreed
not to speak to the press.

So somebody did she the Tim Miller interview and I guess he did say those things.

Magnolia, did you understand it to be a telephone interview?

Yes, I did.

Thanks Magnolia.  I don't know what to think.  I don't recall the disclaimer that was put out saying that Tim never talked to the reporter.  So maybe he didn't realize it would all be included in the newscast? 

I hope Janet will get a response to her letter and that the response will clear things up in my mind.  I'm really confused at this point.  I want to know what Tim Miller has to say about the photos and Kyle Kingman's words regarding the cage.  I won't hold my breath on that though.  I'm sure he was required to sign the same non disclosure agreement that the others on the boat were.  But if he knows what we know and has seen what we've seen, why would he be on board with another search with that group?

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyWaa::
 

I have to say that I was surprised when Janice brought it up.  She only uses a computer for business.
I asked her if Tim seemed like he had been drinking.  She said that she couldn't tell, but he was mad and used
bad word or two.
I don't know what is going on, but it sure smells fishy to me. ::MonkeyConfused::

Me too Magnolia.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: finngirl on March 30, 2009, 01:10:35 AM

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/refrofat.jpg)

nothing wrong w/ dressing a little young for your age
if you've taken care of yourself ...

but, oh my freakin' hell,
she rolled down the waistband of her pants
to "show off" her nasty belly

she's pathetic/desperate

(and check out those man-hands)

meow



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 30, 2009, 01:15:16 AM
My mother would have said: Julia's looking a little matronly...bless her heart. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2009, 01:15:42 AM


Finngirl!   ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 01:16:13 AM
Quote

Posted by Kermit
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4633.msg708550#msg708550

Follow the boats.

RECAP of the above post:

Mermis moves to Superior Offshore and purchases Superior Endeavor
Superior Offshore puts 25 million to refurbish that vessel.

Superior Offshore is in bankruptcy
BUT Superior Endeavor is currently on its way to Saudi Arubia for a year through a contract

Gulmar Falcon vessel owned by Superior Offshore is also terminated due to Superior Offshore's bankruptcy troubles.

BUT it's continuing to charter the boat for a short term

Gulmar Condor vessel owned by Superior Offshore is chartered until April 2009 and working for BP in Trinidad.
Hotping - I think its safe to assume the 341-ft. Gulmar Falcon is the 340-foot boat in Trinidad that Jen Hale (I think) referenced as the boat to be used in a future ocean search of the remaining targets ...

That said, what is setting off your hinky meter the most?

I would think that the Gulmar Condor is needed in or near Aruba for some purpose other than
searching for Natalee.

I think it is incredibly hinky that these remaining targets have remained proprietary with Schaefer and Silvetti, and possibly TE.  I cannot understand that without assuming bad things.

Charitable endeavors are not proprietary.  Those targets should be the property of Dave and Beth ONLY - no one else should be in possession of them and they should have the right to dictate precisely who dives on them and what is done with any findings.  (Not that I think she's there - I think they already found her and turned her over.)

I DO NOT want Tim Miller involved in this ocean search in anyway.  He will work with the authorities - it is his MO - I don't think he'll ever agree do it any other way.

It is high time that someone convince Dave, imo, that he must subvert ALE to get the answers he needs and is working so hard for.

JMO and only MO


Time will reveal who is in it for the MONEY and who's in it for NATALEE HOLLOWAY..Period!There is absolutely NO GRAY AREA FOR ME...I will wait to see "IF" the new ocean search,1.5 million,as well as if Tim Miller is involved..If so!I believe someone needs to clean house on who is involved in searching for THE TRUTH that surrounds JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY,AS WE WELL AS HOLDING,EACH AND EVERY PERSON INVOLVED...ACCOUNTABLE


WHERE EVER THE TRUTH TAKES ME...
KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2009, 01:23:46 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2009, 01:25:08 AM


Good Night Monkeys!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 01:26:33 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!



                           JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

   THOSE WHO DON'T HOLD HER BEST INTEREST'S,AS WELL BETH AND DAVE'S...

           WILL BE REVEALED IN TIME..YOU CAN'T HIDE FROM THE TRUTH


                                           ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 01:27:16 AM


Good Night Monkeys!   ::MonkeyCool::

GoodNight TM! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 01:29:48 AM
"A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history."

MOHANDAS GANDHI


                              THE MONKEY'S ARE DETERMINED SPIRITS

                                     GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS

                                               KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 30, 2009, 01:42:40 AM
Interesting  Posted Jan 31 2009

Jones Act and US Jobs
 The Jones Act is one of the last protectors of US jobs from foreign labor remaining . The Jones Act is a cabotage law which in a nutshell says that only US ships flying the US flag, built in US shipyards and manned by US mariners may work in US territorial waters. The Gulf of Mexico and it's oil have been invaded by foreign ships and they have received waivers from the Jones Act by the US Coast Guard. These vessels are taking good paying jobs from US merchant mariners in order to take oil out of waters owned by the US citizens to enrich 'big oil'. It is amazing to me that this being allowed to go on when the US employment situation is deteriorating daily.
Here are some of the ships and their owners some of whom operate under a shell US corporation.


1. Ocean Intervention III (Oceaneering International)
2. Olympic Intervention IV (Oceaneering International)
3. Olympic Challenger (Global Industries)
4. REM Commander (Global Industries)
5. Siem Swordfish (Veolia Environmental)
6. Kingfisher (Veolia Environmental)
7. Nor Tigerfish (Veolia Environmental)
8. Gulmar Falcon (not known at this time)
9. Gulmar Condor (not known at this time)
10. Kestrel (CalDive)
11. Uncle John (CalDive)
12. Mystic Viking (CalDive)
13. Balder (Heerema)
14. Thialf (Heerema)
15. Safe Concordia (Consafe Offshore)
16. CSO Deep Blue (Coflexip)
17. Normand Clipper (Clough Offshore)
18. Epic Diver (Epic Diving & Marine)
19. BOA Subsea (Aker Solutions)
20. BOA Deepsea (Aker Solutions)
21. Northern Resolution (C&C Technologies)
22. Caballo Buffala (not known at this time)

Coming soon will be the

1. Haliva Phoenix (Phoenix Diving)
2. Viking Poseidon (Veolia Environmental)
3. Caesar (Helix Energy Solutions)



 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=367x16835


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 30, 2009, 01:52:51 AM
Looks like the Gulmar Condor and Gulmar Falcon may have been in Louisiana this past week....If I reading this right

http://nmontilla63.blog.friendster.com/

The captain was drunk together with OIM, A breach of Alcohol Policy
March 27th, 2009 by nmontilla63
Alongside Berth 506 – “ CPort 1” Port Fourchon, Louissiana

 
March 25/1445H            -           I heard ‘C Port 2’ calling my vessel name on Ch.17 but as soon I went to answer at the aft radio he was calling ‘Falcon’ and was answered by ‘Condor’ telling ‘Falcon’ was listening on Ch.72. The information was telling “Falcon’ to shift on our berth as someone from Shell’s boat will be loading and refuelling on their berth. I heard instructions passed to ‘Condor’ as well and soon after 15 minutes the Mexican Chief Officer of ‘Gullmar Condor’ was in our bridge looking for the Captain after he explained to me the intention of ‘CPort2’. I called up the Captain and after the chief mate informed him Captain referred it to OIM about the intention of shifting and telling now this is not the right timing as we expected a crew change in 5 days time.

There was inquiries of real intention, and adding of ‘Who’s paying high rate on this berth? there was some sort of lengthy explanation but at the end OIM agreed for us to pull-out and he instead advised to move towards ‘C Port 1’ after arranging available berth, and so we go.

 

1510H  -   ‘Condor’s’ gangway was lifted out and cast off her lines from us and we let go our lines after 30 minutes we’re underway out of C Port 1 channel towards Bayou Channel of ‘C Port 1’. By 1640H all lines fast on Berth 506 on her starboardside.

 




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: finngirl on March 30, 2009, 02:05:43 AM
I'm sorry to say, but it appears to be a HUGE disconnect between Dave, Beth, Tim, and the main players in this case.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

AHATA/aruban agenda: divide and conquer



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 02:16:13 AM
I was just talking to my friend Janice.  She said what's going on with Natalee Holloway?

She had seen the interview with Tim Miller on NBC13.

I said OK....tell me exactly what he said.  She said Tim was "spit-fir'in mad...even said a bad word or two.
He was mad about the guy who was down there searching the pond.  That he was just messing things
up for legimate searchers.  She said that Tim said that he was going back in a few weeks to search on
targets that had not been searched before.

I asked if he mentioned money.....yes, she said that he had raised money, she couldn't remember how
much to fund another search.

I asked if he mentioned a boat....yes she said that Tim said that a big boat was coming from Trinadad.

Then she said that the reporter said that they couldn't interview Fred Golba because he had agreed
not to speak to the press.

So somebody did she the Tim Miller interview and I guess he did say those things.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 02:19:59 AM
Tamikosmom and 3 Guests

 ::MonkeyShocked::

It is downright scary in this forum at 11:20 PM PT.  Alone with three unknown guests without a hidey bag ...

I am gone.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 30, 2009, 02:32:27 AM
Tamikosmom and 3 Guests

 ::MonkeyShocked::

It is downright scary in this forum at 11:20 PM PT.  Alone with three unknown guests without a hidey bag ...

I am gone.

Janet


But But Janet I was one of the guest...... ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Night All!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 10:15:18 AM
http://www.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/article/new_pictures_of_search_for_natalee_holloway/65801/

(http://media.nbc13.com/wvtm/img-story/images/uploads/Natalee4a.JPG)

New Pictures of Search for Natalee Holloway
 
By Jen Hale
Reporter and weekend anchor
Published: March 29, 2009

These are pictures of an Aruban retention pond near the hotel Natalee Holloway stayed at during her senior trip to Aruba.

Private Investigator Fred Golba and his cadaver dog Rhino have been searching it for a week.

The Aruban government agreed to drain the pond.

Now Golba is searching the muddy bottom through a grid elimination system.

The pole markers indicate areas already eliminated.

A new witness claims he saw main suspect Joran van der Sloot emerging from the pond the night Natalee disappeared, wearing only one shoe.

 (http://media.nbc13.com/wvtm/images/uploads/Natalee1a.JPG)

(http://media.nbc13.com/wvtm/images/uploads/Natalee3a.JPG)

(http://media.nbc13.com/wvtm/images/uploads/Natalee5a.JPG)

(http://media.nbc13.com/wvtm/images/uploads/Natalee6a.JPG)

(http://media.nbc13.com/wvtm/images/uploads/Natalee8a.JPG)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 10:22:57 AM
Tamikosmom and 3 Guests

 ::MonkeyShocked::

It is downright scary in this forum at 11:20 PM PT.  Alone with three unknown guests without a hidey bag ...

I am gone.

Janet


But But Janet I was one of the guest...... ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Night All!

hotping

Where did you get the hidey bag.  I hope jen did not give you mine ... the one she will not give back to me.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

GOOD MORNING ALL!!

Janet
7:25 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 30, 2009, 10:25:33 AM
Thanks for the article, Klaas

The dog looks intelligent.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 10:27:47 AM
Thanks for the latest photos on the pond search Klaas.

Does anybody know if the water from the pond was filtered as it was being drained?

It should be an interest week ... one way or another.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: NM on March 30, 2009, 10:40:10 AM
I hope that precious pooch finds our Natalee, so he can get the H out of that horrible place. Fred flintstone, or whatever his name is can stay there. Rhino needs better business associates and family.

Hey Monkeys and love to Natalee.

And I need to see this pix again. Thank you Txmom


3/23/2009  Solo di Pueblo

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&Itemid=2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%205/03232009SDPp12.jpg)

Monkey "teabags" Oduber!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 11:16:42 AM
POOCHY

I brought this post here from the main thread because I totally agree with SS.  Caps does not deserve what was written about him at all on the main thread.  In fact I wish CAPS would come back and post on this codetalker thread -- most of his theories come from deciphering codetaker prose.  SS, only a handful 'bashed' Caps on the main thread. Most of us would like for him to ignore that and come back and tell us what he's learned so far.

His last post was about the masonic graveyard and then poof - lets bash Caps because he is "diverting us" from the crab trap.  I say who is 'diverting' whom? Maybe those with the crab trap theory are diverting the rest of us from other avenues.   Everybody is just tossing out theories and truly care about Natalee and her family. Unless I missed something that a professional said, like Greta, on national tv said that Natalee's remains were definitely in that trap, then I will believe it, but until then, to me it is just another theory. Nobody knows.

Colombo - Mum - and other SM codetalker posters, thanks for keeping this thread alive as we interpret codetalker prose.

CAPS - COME BACK!




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 30, 2009, 11:20:20 AM
Interesting to note the searchers are able to keep their shoes on while wandering around in all that mud.  ::MonkeyWink::

Even more interesting - Golba singing the praises of Dolph Richardson.

Dolph Richardson - who took personal posession of the items recovered from the fish cage on Jan 7th.

Dolph Richardson - who personally sent the items to the FBI immediately (2 weeks later FBI received something from him  ::MonkeyNoNo::).

Dolph Richardson - who told Persistence crew Joran's confession to Patrick indicated they should search farther out in deeper waters.

Dolph Richardson - who failed to wait for a forensic dive team Mos said would come from the NFI, and for an FBI representative to show up prior to the search/recovery of the cage contents on Jan 7th.

Dolph Richardson - who had Aruban divers only dive on the cage, recover items, and return to their own boat with those items.

Yup- that Richarson is one swell guy.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 11:21:01 AM
KTF? Is that your post or did you get it elsewhere?  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 11:23:18 AM
POOCHY

I brought this post here from the main thread because I totally agree with SS.  Caps does not deserve what was written about him at all on the main thread.  In fact I wish CAPS would come back and post on this codetalker thread -- most of his theories come from deciphering codetaker prose.  SS, only a handful 'bashed' Caps on the main thread. Most of us would like for him to ignore that and come back and tell us what he's learned so far.

His last post was about the masonic graveyard and then poof - lets bash Caps because he is "diverting us" from the crab trap.  I say who is 'diverting' whom? Maybe those with the crab trap theory are diverting the rest of us from other avenues.   Everybody is just tossing out theories and truly care about Natalee and her family. Unless I missed something that a professional said, like Greta, on national tv said that Natalee's remains were definitely in that trap, then I will believe it, but until then, to me it is just another theory. Nobody knows.

Colombo - Mum - and other SM codetalker posters, thanks for keeping this thread alive as we interpret codetalker prose.

CAPS - COME BACK!




Keepthefaith, klaasend, jen3560, friend of monkeys, Lifesong, Patriot, NM, Poochy, kkate and 8 Guests are viewing this topic.

Still believe in CapsLockWizard Poochy??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 11:27:27 AM
KTF? Is that your post or did you get it elsewhere?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: If i knew CapsLockWizard's address i would send him a clock for Christmas..That way he could hear the TICK_TOCK until the MAJOR PLAYER is arrested..Has it happened yet???  ::MonkeyHaHa:: It was suppose to happen,like,almost 3 months ago...Just sayin!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 11:48:40 AM
Headin to work..BBL Monkey's..I expect my shovel to be awaiting my return so i can keep digging! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 30, 2009, 11:59:18 AM
Just was looking around some more and found a pdf that states the Gulmar Falcon, Condor, Eagle, Badaro are all registered in Panama under the Group Corporate Structure outline.  Not sure if that was mentioned by anyone else, but it reminded me of Kaplan Industry & the privacy afforded businesses registered in Panama.  GCC, Polux & JMT & Co each hold a third of Gulmar Offshore SA. 

Edit to remove link that didn't work.  Attaching same from hard drive.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 12:11:26 PM
POOCHY

I brought this post here from the main thread because I totally agree with SS.  Caps does not deserve what was written about him at all on the main thread.  In fact I wish CAPS would come back and post on this codetalker thread -- most of his theories come from deciphering codetaker prose.  SS, only a handful 'bashed' Caps on the main thread. Most of us would like for him to ignore that and come back and tell us what he's learned so far.

His last post was about the masonic graveyard and then poof - lets bash Caps because he is "diverting us" from the crab trap.  I say who is 'diverting' whom? Maybe those with the crab trap theory are diverting the rest of us from other avenues.   Everybody is just tossing out theories and truly care about Natalee and her family. Unless I missed something that a professional said, like Greta, on national tv said that Natalee's remains were definitely in that trap, then I will believe it, but until then, to me it is just another theory. Nobody knows.

Colombo - Mum - and other SM codetalker posters, thanks for keeping this thread alive as we interpret codetalker prose.

CAPS - COME BACK!




Good Morning Keepthefaith

Maybe POOCHY should consider SS' own flip flop positions.  From day one SS adhered to CAPS as "the man".  Then she come to the conclusion that CAPS was a distraction from what the Arubans retrieved from the trap on January 7, 2008.  Then SS backtracked.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

SS' position until she backtracked dictates that this former Monkeys who has an amazing ability in articulating would have been such great contributor to the SM Caps/Persistence topic.

Janet

++++++


SS

SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
on: November 17, 2008, 08:32:15 PM 


Monkeys - Kyle said that he discovered the trap on the screen very early Christmas morning.  That's when Tim said  "it looks like a skull".  The contents of the trap were cleaned on January 7th.  Persistence continued to use side scan sonor to map the ocean floor well into February.  Now how could they justify all of those extra weeks of searching for a missing American woman if they had already found her in the beginning of January?  They also needed to get our focus off of Persistence and the ocean search.  Viola!  Caps enters the picture to tell us about Manserat Pond.  The picture of the cage was never supposed to be released and I'm sure that caused big trouble.  All of the evidence disappeared.  The fabric sent to Quantico wasn't Natalee's blouse.  There wasn't anything else in the cage - it was just a coconut or a piece of coral.  Back to the ocean search for Peristence so that they could continue with the grids and their non profit search.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.msg546635#msg546635


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #156 on: December 04, 2008, 02:08:35 AM »


1.  Silvetti's businesses were in trouble.  He wanted to start new businesses with oil and an oil pipeline from Aruba to Chavez in Colombia.  He needed money.

2.  He illegally sold off his shares of stock and that is why the SEC is after him.

3.  Before he started his new oil business, he needed to have a geological scan of the ocean floor.  Doing those scans costs lots of money.

4.  He agreed to volunteer his ship, crew, and equipment to search for a missing American woman in the same area.  He scans the ocean floor looking for Natalee, but really he's doing oil work.

5.  Most of his expenses for the Persistence search were written off on his corporate tax returns because it was charity work and a donation that he was doing.  By looking for Natalee, he was able to map the ocean for free.

6.  Natalee was found in the end of December.  Oh no, what can he do?  He can't keep mapping the ocean floor for free because he just found the missing American woman.  So, the trap contents were turned over to ALE, nothing was ever in that trap. and he continued to search for Natalee and map for oil for another 6 to 8 weeks -at very little expense to himself.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg565794;topicseen#msg565794


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #726 on: December 06, 2008, 04:23:52 PM »


I agree with you, Janet.  I thought a lot about it last night, after I finally had to turn my computer off and just think.  In his heart, I'm sure that Tim Miller believed what he had seen or he wouldn't have said, Bull$hit with the thumbs down.  However, he had no control over all of that pphotographic equipment and perhaps he was only being shown what they wanted him to see.  There was a very good reason why they had to get him off of Persistence before January 7th.  I don't think that Dave or Tim would have gone to Nicaragua if they didn't think it was a viable lead.  I wonder if ALE are the ones who set it all up as another one of their infamous diversion tactics

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569218#msg569218


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #697 on: December 06, 2008, 03:26:15 PM »


Blue Moon - great reference!  I have pretty much been a believer that Natalee was buried on land, but after Kyle's calculations, I don't think so anymore.  Kyle is a trained oceanographer and he has been taught how to make those calculations of objects on the ocean floor.  Kyle's calculations are actually the first piece of scientific data that we have after three and a half years.  I wonder if it would be too much of a stretch to hope that the release of the cage photographs somehow has forced Rudy's hand???  They can't deny any longer that something was in the cage.  There are photographs to prove the lie.  Whether or not they have destroyed the actual cage contents remains to be seen.  If the evidence has been destroyed, Richardson and Mos could also be in trouble along with Paulass and Uncle Jan.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569178#msg569178


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #702 on: December 06, 2008, 03:41:17 PM »


Tim became a liability because her had the film footage from the 29th and the 30th.  He knew what was in the cage.  Just from the original Photographs on the 29th, we can clearly see a skull and a shoe.  I think Tim probably became a source of contention and was distracted away from the ship so the contents could be turned over to ALE.  Tim has to have figured out what happened.  I wonder if it's difficult for him to look at Beth and Dave in their eyes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569184#msg569184


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #702 on: December 06, 2008, 03:41:17 PM »


Tim became a liability because her had the film footage from the 29th and the 30th.  He knew what was in the cage.  Just from the original Photographs on the 29th, we can clearly see a skull and a shoe.  I think Tim probably became a source of contention and was distracted away from the ship so the contents could be turned over to ALE.  Tim has to have figured out what happened.  I wonder if it's difficult for him to look at Beth and Dave in their eyes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569184#msg569184


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #678 on: December 06, 2008, 01:52:46 PM »


I don't think anything would surprise me at this point.  This story is getting sicker by the day.  How could they just hand all of that evidence over to ALE and deny that they had found anything???  And, sit silently by when our FBI was sent a piece of nothing?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569137#msg569137

+++++++


Quote from: SS on November 24, 2008, 10:13:44 PM

I have some feelings about the photographs and I wonder if others feel the same way that I do.  If Louis, John, and Kyle had hidden those photographs from ALE so that they could be turned over to Beth, Dave, and US authorities, it would have been a dishonest action, but it would have been in the best interests of everyone.  ALE has been so despicable from day one, and under handed handling of evidence would have been a double standard, but I would have supported it and jumped up and down with cheers.  Unfortunately, that isn't what happened.  The evidence was hidden from Beth, Dave, and the American public and the photographs were never even given to the FBI by members of the Persistence group.  When I hear that there is even a remote possibility that Louis Schafer sold those photographs for big bucks and that Kyle attempted to sell the photographs to networks last February, I just want to scream.  These actions are beyond explanation or justification.


Quote from: Tamikosmom on November 24, 2008, 10:39:01 PM

I wish Kyle would respond to these allegations.
Thanks SS.
Janet


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #784 on: November 24, 2008, 10:46:48 PM »


Dinners over... I ate my crow and it didn't very good at all.  I am so sorry for going at you.  I was so convinced that everything and everyone involved with Perisistence were above reproach.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg556257;topicseen#msg556257





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 30, 2009, 12:14:35 PM
Just was looking around some more and found a pdf that states the Gulmar Falcon, Condor, Eagle, Badaro are all registered in Panama under the Group Corporate Structure outline.  Not sure if that was mentioned by anyone else, but it reminded me of Kaplan Industry & the privacy afforded businesses registered in Panama.  GCC, Polux & JMT & Co each hold a third of Gulmar Offshore SA. 

Edit to remove link that didn't work.  Attaching same from hard drive.
Good Morning 2NJ...Your link worked for Me....Here is a list of the board of directors for GCC Polux and JMT plus an organizational chart

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/62287B4FD13AA82B88257255002B5171/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Organisation.pdf


This is the link I used to get to Your post....

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/B3383B6CD7D6DD8088257255002AF2BB/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Profile.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 12:15:09 PM
 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 12:17:04 PM
Just was looking around some more and found a pdf that states the Gulmar Falcon, Condor, Eagle, Badaro are all registered in Panama under the Group Corporate Structure outline.  Not sure if that was mentioned by anyone else, but it reminded me of Kaplan Industry & the privacy afforded businesses registered in Panama.  GCC, Polux & JMT & Co each hold a third of Gulmar Offshore SA. 

Edit to remove link that didn't work.  Attaching same from hard drive.
Good Morning 2NJ...Your link worked for Me....Here is a list of the board of directors for GCC Polux and JMT plus an organizational chart

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/62287B4FD13AA82B88257255002B5171/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Organisation.pdf


This is the link I used to get to Your post....

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/B3383B6CD7D6DD8088257255002AF2BB/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Profile.pdf

Those links don't work for me! ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 30, 2009, 12:17:22 PM
Just was looking around some more and found a pdf that states the Gulmar Falcon, Condor, Eagle, Badaro are all registered in Panama under the Group Corporate Structure outline.  Not sure if that was mentioned by anyone else, but it reminded me of Kaplan Industry & the privacy afforded businesses registered in Panama.  GCC, Polux & JMT & Co each hold a third of Gulmar Offshore SA. 

Edit to remove link that didn't work.  Attaching same from hard drive.
Good Morning 2NJ...Your link worked for Me....Here is a list of the board of directors for GCC Polux and JMT plus an organizational chart

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/62287B4FD13AA82B88257255002B5171/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Organisation.pdf


This is the link I used to get to Your post....

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/B3383B6CD7D6DD8088257255002AF2BB/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Profile.pdf
Well for some reason it did not highlight the entire links but if You copy and paste the links They will work..... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 12:21:35 PM
Just was looking around some more and found a pdf that states the Gulmar Falcon, Condor, Eagle, Badaro are all registered in Panama under the Group Corporate Structure outline.  Not sure if that was mentioned by anyone else, but it reminded me of Kaplan Industry & the privacy afforded businesses registered in Panama.  GCC, Polux & JMT & Co each hold a third of Gulmar Offshore SA. 

Edit to remove link that didn't work.  Attaching same from hard drive.
Good Morning 2NJ...Your link worked for Me....Here is a list of the board of directors for GCC Polux and JMT plus an organizational chart

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/62287B4FD13AA82B88257255002B5171/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Organisation.pdf


This is the link I used to get to Your post....

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/B3383B6CD7D6DD8088257255002AF2BB/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Profile.pdf
Well for some reason it did not highlight the entire links but if You copy and paste the links They will work..... ::MonkeyConfused::

And do all that work? ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 30, 2009, 12:23:46 PM
Just was looking around some more and found a pdf that states the Gulmar Falcon, Condor, Eagle, Badaro are all registered in Panama under the Group Corporate Structure outline.  Not sure if that was mentioned by anyone else, but it reminded me of Kaplan Industry & the privacy afforded businesses registered in Panama.  GCC, Polux & JMT & Co each hold a third of Gulmar Offshore SA. 

Edit to remove link that didn't work.  Attaching same from hard drive.
Good Morning 2NJ...Your link worked for Me....Here is a list of the board of directors for GCC Polux and JMT plus an organizational chart

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/62287B4FD13AA82B88257255002B5171/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Organisation.pdf


This is the link I used to get to Your post....

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/B3383B6CD7D6DD8088257255002AF2BB/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Profile.pdf
Well for some reason it did not highlight the entire links but if You copy and paste the links They will work..... ::MonkeyConfused::

And do all that work? ::MonkeyLaugh::
  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 12:25:31 PM
Just was looking around some more and found a pdf that states the Gulmar Falcon, Condor, Eagle, Badaro are all registered in Panama under the Group Corporate Structure outline.  Not sure if that was mentioned by anyone else, but it reminded me of Kaplan Industry & the privacy afforded businesses registered in Panama.  GCC, Polux & JMT & Co each hold a third of Gulmar Offshore SA. 

Edit to remove link that didn't work.  Attaching same from hard drive.
Good Morning 2NJ...Your link worked for Me....Here is a list of the board of directors for GCC Polux and JMT plus an organizational chart

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/62287B4FD13AA82B88257255002B5171/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Organisation.pdf


This is the link I used to get to Your post....

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/B3383B6CD7D6DD8088257255002AF2BB/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Profile.pdf
Well for some reason it did not highlight the entire links but if You copy and paste the links They will work..... ::MonkeyConfused::

And do all that work? ::MonkeyLaugh::
  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I've been trying to find more on those three companies that own Gulmar Offshore..If you find anything please post..TIA..Digggin,Digggin,Digggin.... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 30, 2009, 12:27:56 PM
Tamikosmom and 3 Guests

 ::MonkeyShocked::

It is downright scary in this forum at 11:20 PM PT.  Alone with three unknown guests without a hidey bag ...

I am gone.

Janet


But But Janet I was one of the guest...... ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Night All!

hotping

Where did you get the hidey bag.  I hope jen did not give you mine ... the one she will not give back to me.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

GOOD MORNING ALL!!

Janet
7:25 AM PT
Nope Jen Didn't do it.....I made My own.....  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 30, 2009, 12:28:29 PM
Just was looking around some more and found a pdf that states the Gulmar Falcon, Condor, Eagle, Badaro are all registered in Panama under the Group Corporate Structure outline.  Not sure if that was mentioned by anyone else, but it reminded me of Kaplan Industry & the privacy afforded businesses registered in Panama.  GCC, Polux & JMT & Co each hold a third of Gulmar Offshore SA. 

Edit to remove link that didn't work.  Attaching same from hard drive.
Good Morning 2NJ...Your link worked for Me....Here is a list of the board of directors for GCC Polux and JMT plus an organizational chart

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/62287B4FD13AA82B88257255002B5171/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Organisation.pdf


This is the link I used to get to Your post....

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/B3383B6CD7D6DD8088257255002AF2BB/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Profile.pdf

For whatever reason, it didn't for for me in my post.  I just tried your link and am getting this:

Error 404
HTTP Web Server: Lotus Notes Exception - Special database object cannot be located


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 12:34:35 PM
Tamikosmom and 3 Guests

 ::MonkeyShocked::

It is downright scary in this forum at 11:20 PM PT.  Alone with three unknown guests without a hidey bag ...

I am gone.

Janet


But But Janet I was one of the guest...... ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Night All!

hotping

Where did you get the hidey bag.  I hope jen did not give you mine ... the one she will not give back to me.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

GOOD MORNING ALL!!

Janet
7:25 AM PT
Nope Jen Didn't do it.....I made My own.....  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Well ... could you please make me one or ... maybe Magnolia could knit me one.  I do believe the that the misinformation gang is not happy with Tamikosmom.

Good Morning hotping.

Janet
9:35 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 30, 2009, 12:35:01 PM
Just was looking around some more and found a pdf that states the Gulmar Falcon, Condor, Eagle, Badaro are all registered in Panama under the Group Corporate Structure outline.  Not sure if that was mentioned by anyone else, but it reminded me of Kaplan Industry & the privacy afforded businesses registered in Panama.  GCC, Polux & JMT & Co each hold a third of Gulmar Offshore SA. 

Edit to remove link that didn't work.  Attaching same from hard drive.
Good Morning 2NJ...Your link worked for Me....Here is a list of the board of directors for GCC Polux and JMT plus an organizational chart

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/62287B4FD13AA82B88257255002B5171/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Organisation.pdf (http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/62287B4FD13AA82B88257255002B5171/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Organisation.pdf)


This is the link I used to get to Your post....

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/B3383B6CD7D6DD8088257255002AF2BB/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Profile.pdf  (http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/B3383B6CD7D6DD8088257255002AF2BB/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Profile.pdf)

For whatever reason, it didn't for for me in my post.  I just tried your link and am getting this:

Error 404
HTTP Web Server: Lotus Notes Exception - Special database object cannot be located
2NJ..I don't know what's up with these links but what I did was copied from the end of the link to the beginning...and the first try it did not work but the second time I tried it worked..... ::MonkeyEek::


EDIT:  If you notice now the entire links aren't working in the posts above this one.  Sometimes with they are really long URLs the entire link it's highlighted.  In PREVIEW you will see if it's happening.  To fix it you can highlight the entire URL then click on the insert hyperlink icon (http://scaredmonkeys.net/Themes/default/images/bbc/url.gif) and then the entire link will work.  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 30, 2009, 12:35:17 PM
Maybe that pdf link was too long and is a tinyurl candidate...

Here is another newletter from 2008.  pages 6 & 7 speak of Superior Offshore's financial issues and on pg 7 it says Gulmar Condor was subchartered through April, 2009.

http://www.worldshipsocietyrotterdam.nl/news/Shipping_news/2008/093-04-04-2008.pdf


KTF, I tried to find info on those holding/investment companies earlier and didn't find much...that's why I brought up Panama, again.    :smt102


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 12:37:06 PM
Maybe that pdf link was too long and is a tinyurl candidate...

Here is another newletter from 2008.  pages 6 & 7 speak of Superior Offshore's financial issues and on pg 7 it says Gulmar Condor was subchartered through April, 2009.

http://www.worldshipsocietyrotterdam.nl/news/Shipping_news/2008/093-04-04-2008.pdf


KTF, I tried to find info on those holding/investment companies earlier and didn't find much...that's why I brought up Panama, again.    :smt102

We'll keep digging,digging,digging. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 30, 2009, 12:37:42 PM
Just was looking around some more and found a pdf that states the Gulmar Falcon, Condor, Eagle, Badaro are all registered in Panama under the Group Corporate Structure outline.  Not sure if that was mentioned by anyone else, but it reminded me of Kaplan Industry & the privacy afforded businesses registered in Panama.  GCC, Polux & JMT & Co each hold a third of Gulmar Offshore SA. 

Edit to remove link that didn't work.  Attaching same from hard drive.
Good Morning 2NJ...Your link worked for Me....Here is a list of the board of directors for GCC Polux and JMT plus an organizational chart

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/62287B4FD13AA82B88257255002B5171/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Organisation.pdf


This is the link I used to get to Your post....

http://www.gulmaroffshore.com/website_002/gulmar.nsf/0/B3383B6CD7D6DD8088257255002AF2BB/$FILE/Gulmar_Ofshore_Profile.pdf

For whatever reason, it didn't for for me in my post.  I just tried your link and am getting this:

Error 404
HTTP Web Server: Lotus Notes Exception - Special database object cannot be located
2NJ..I don't know what's up with these links but what I did was copied from the end of the link to the beginning...and the first try it did not work but the second time I tried it worked..... ::MonkeyEek::

Yes, the hyperlink truncated on my post, too.  I get what you are saying...I'm just being lazy.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 30, 2009, 12:48:00 PM
Tamikosmom and 3 Guests

 ::MonkeyShocked::

It is downright scary in this forum at 11:20 PM PT.  Alone with three unknown guests without a hidey bag ...

I am gone.

Janet


But But Janet I was one of the guest...... ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Night All!

hotping

Where did you get the hidey bag.  I hope jen did not give you mine ... the one she will not give back to me.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

GOOD MORNING ALL!!

Janet
7:25 AM PT
Nope Jen Didn't do it.....I made My own.....  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Well ... could you please make me one or ... maybe Magnolia could knit me one.  I do believe the that the misinformation gang is not happy with Tamikosmom.

Good Morning hotping.

Janet
9:35 AM PT
Janet I have made You a Hidey Bag and its on its way to You in the Frazier Valley....and if Magnolia sees this post maybe She will make You one also and You will have a spare....just in case..... ::MonkeyWink::  Oh and by the way don't worry about the misinformation gang....The Monkeys are protecting You 24/7..... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 30, 2009, 12:51:48 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

So Sixto Vrolijk is on the MEP party along with vd straaten and Jeannette Richardson
so they would be connected with Van der Straaten and Dolf Richardson's wife.
The witness says he saw paulus that night and Joran near the pond.
So, how would this get a conviction of Joran and/or his father?
Even if a shoe is found in that pond?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.msg648548#msg648548
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4743.140

MIEMBRO DI COMISION:
 
1. Dunador di trabao - Ebby Arends – presidente di CBB
 Lisette Malmberg – suplente

2.Sindicato: Jose Giron
   Sixto Vrolijk
– suplente

3. Enseñanza: Lydia Emerencia – vice presidente
 Angelo Brete – suplente

4.Clero: Pader J. v/d Lee
 Pader S. Tomasik – suplente

5. Cuerpo Policial: Jeannette Richardson
   Jan v/d Straten – suplente

6. Liaison cu Prensa Nilka Franca

7. Secretario: Lorraine de Souza
http://www.arubachamber.com/ComisionBonBoluntad.htm


Jeannette Richardson and Jan van der Straaten on the same Commission.

Jeannette Richardson, wife of Dolf Richardson.
Along with MEP Party members: Sixto Vrolkjk and Jose Giron.


* Dolf Richardson is the lead investigator
* Dolf Richardson was on the Persistence and kept telling them to search further out.
* Dolf Richardson is the one that was in charge of the evidence from the trap.


To: Department of Civil Aviation
Mr. A. Vrolijk
Sabana Berde 73-B
http://tinyurl.com/cqr3us


 Vrolijk says that the radar currently at the airport, was one of the most modern radars in the Caribbean ten years ago.  The installation does no longer work due to lack of necessary maintenance.
http://tinyurl.com/d3zwn5

(http://www.arubachamber.com/Annual_Business_Meeting/2007/Webpage-2007-p2_files/image018.jpg)
Mr. A. Vrolijk and Mr. A. Riley 
http://www.arubachamber.com/Annual_Business_Meeting/2007/Webpage-2007-p2.htm








Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 12:54:44 PM
Tamikosmom and 3 Guests

 ::MonkeyShocked::

It is downright scary in this forum at 11:20 PM PT.  Alone with three unknown guests without a hidey bag ...

I am gone.

Janet


But But Janet I was one of the guest...... ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Night All!

hotping

Where did you get the hidey bag.  I hope jen did not give you mine ... the one she will not give back to me.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

GOOD MORNING ALL!!

Janet
7:25 AM PT
Nope Jen Didn't do it.....I made My own.....  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Well ... could you please make me one or ... maybe Magnolia could knit me one.  I do believe the that the misinformation gang is not happy with Tamikosmom.

Good Morning hotping.

Janet
9:35 AM PT
Janet I have made You a Hidey Bag and its on its way to You in the Frazier Valley....and if Magnolia sees this post maybe She will make You one also and You will have a spare....just in case..... ::MonkeyWink::  Oh and by the way don't worry about the misinformation gang....The Monkeys are protecting You 24/7..... ::MonkeyCool::


Whew!!!  I feel so much better and ... thanks for the hidey bag.

Hugs

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 12:55:57 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

So Sixto Vrolijk is on the MEP party along with vd straaten and Jeannette Richardson
so they would be connected with Van der Straaten and Dolf Richardson's wife.
The witness says he saw paulus that night and Joran near the pond.
So, how would this get a conviction of Joran and/or his father?
Even if a shoe is found in that pond?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.msg648548#msg648548
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4743.140

MIEMBRO DI COMISION:
 
1. Dunador di trabao - Ebby Arends – presidente di CBB
 Lisette Malmberg – suplente

2.Sindicato: Jose Giron
   Sixto Vrolijk
– suplente

3. Enseñanza: Lydia Emerencia – vice presidente
 Angelo Brete – suplente

4.Clero: Pader J. v/d Lee
 Pader S. Tomasik – suplente

5. Cuerpo Policial: Jeannette Richardson
   Jan v/d Straten – suplente

6. Liaison cu Prensa Nilka Franca

7. Secretario: Lorraine de Souza
http://www.arubachamber.com/ComisionBonBoluntad.htm


Jeannette Richardson and Jan van der Straaten on the same Commission.

Jeannette Richardson, wife of Dolf Richardson.
Along with MEP Party members: Sixto Vrolkjk and Jose Giron.


* Dolf Richardson is the lead investigator
* Dolf Richardson was on the Persistence and kept telling them to search further out.
* Dolf Richardson is the one that was in charge of the evidence from the trap.


To: Department of Civil Aviation
Mr. A. Vrolijk
Sabana Berde 73-B
http://tinyurl.com/cqr3us


 Vrolijk says that the radar currently at the airport, was one of the most modern radars in the Caribbean ten years ago.  The installation does no longer work due to lack of necessary maintenance.
http://tinyurl.com/d3zwn5

(http://www.arubachamber.com/Annual_Business_Meeting/2007/Webpage-2007-p2_files/image018.jpg)
Mr. A. Vrolijk and Mr. A. Riley 
http://www.arubachamber.com/Annual_Business_Meeting/2007/Webpage-2007-p2.htm








What i also have a MAJOR problem with is...Who was Van Der Stratten's Secretary??Wasn't it a Mansur??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 12:58:38 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

So Sixto Vrolijk is on the MEP party along with vd straaten and Jeannette Richardson
so they would be connected with Van der Straaten and Dolf Richardson's wife.
The witness says he saw paulus that night and Joran near the pond.
So, how would this get a conviction of Joran and/or his father?
Even if a shoe is found in that pond?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.msg648548#msg648548
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4743.140

MIEMBRO DI COMISION:
 
1. Dunador di trabao - Ebby Arends – presidente di CBB
 Lisette Malmberg – suplente

2.Sindicato: Jose Giron
   Sixto Vrolijk
– suplente

3. Enseñanza: Lydia Emerencia – vice presidente
 Angelo Brete – suplente

4.Clero: Pader J. v/d Lee
 Pader S. Tomasik – suplente

5. Cuerpo Policial: Jeannette Richardson
   Jan v/d Straten – suplente

6. Liaison cu Prensa Nilka Franca

7. Secretario: Lorraine de Souza
http://www.arubachamber.com/ComisionBonBoluntad.htm


Jeannette Richardson and Jan van der Straaten on the same Commission.

Jeannette Richardson, wife of Dolf Richardson.
Along with MEP Party members: Sixto Vrolkjk and Jose Giron.


* Dolf Richardson is the lead investigator
* Dolf Richardson was on the Persistence and kept telling them to search further out.
* Dolf Richardson is the one that was in charge of the evidence from the trap.


To: Department of Civil Aviation
Mr. A. Vrolijk
Sabana Berde 73-B
http://tinyurl.com/cqr3us


 Vrolijk says that the radar currently at the airport, was one of the most modern radars in the Caribbean ten years ago.  The installation does no longer work due to lack of necessary maintenance.
http://tinyurl.com/d3zwn5

(http://www.arubachamber.com/Annual_Business_Meeting/2007/Webpage-2007-p2_files/image018.jpg)
Mr. A. Vrolijk and Mr. A. Riley 
http://www.arubachamber.com/Annual_Business_Meeting/2007/Webpage-2007-p2.htm


Kermit ... it doesn't.

Ribbit

Janet

++++++++


THE FINALE TO THE GREAT ARUBAN COVERUP


A Theory in a Nutshell


The ROV images along with Kyle Kingman's own words are the backup required to support the contention that .... Natalee Holloway's remains were taken from the trap by the Aruban's on January 7, 2008 and ... planted in the pond.

Think about it.  IF the origin of where Natalee Holloway's remains were discovered ... the trap ... was revealed ... the implication would be that others beside Joran were involved in the disposal of Natalee Holloway's remains.

However ... the discovery of Natalee Holloway's remains along with the testimony of the witness ... implies that the case can comes to a conclusion with only implicating Joran in the disposal and ... Paulus after the fact.  Keep it simple!

Justice implies that Joran will receive a slap on the wrist.  He was a minor on May 30, 2005.

Paulus' lie regarding his contention that he did not pickup up Joran on the morning of May 30, 2005 at MacDonald's ... is not considered a felony under Aruban law.

Case Closed!

Janet

++++++


‘The Abrams Report’ for June 30
updated 10:30 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 1, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: Well basically obstruction of justice is a criminal offense in our criminal code. However, there is an exoneration for family members in the first degree. So in the case of Mr. Van der Sloot it would not apply.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8430777


Growing Frustration in Aruba
Wednesday, July 06, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY:
... But there's something that really bothers me, and I don't think I've made any secrets about it, I've kept a journal of everything everyone said, what day, timeframes. And there's something that really has been bothering me as I read over and over my journal, is I know on the 31st that Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked Joran up at 4 a.m. at McDonald's. It was also said to me by a police spokesperson on June 16 and June 17 that Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked up Joran at 4 a.m. on the 31st at McDonald's. But I noticed on the day that I visited Paul van der Sloot at his home, all of a sudden, it was changed to 11 p.m.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161705,00.html


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 30, 2009, 12:58:59 PM
KTF got me thinking.  Below is Caps' last post.  My notes are in red.



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg608344#msg608344

Capslockwizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg608344#msg608344) 
on: January 02, 2009, 03:06:11 AM

1. Escudero cage is made of Iron and concrate iron mats...and its weight is around 500 pond or more.


 - Acknowledgement of existence of cage
 - Assumption cage is drop point for drug traffic / "Escudero"
 - If by concrate he means concrete, what the heck are concrete iron mats?
 - Assumption cage is 500 pounds or more

2. Aruba fish cages or call it trap are for a fish called crapfish and Lobster like tail fish, it is made of PVC and with chicken coup wire mesh. it has to fin in a small fishing boat and be manageable to be lifted by the fisherman or 2 on the boat.

3. the cages in Aruba are put around the coastal area and where there are lot of rocks and reefs, not in an open ocean.

All of this may be made up or may be true, but its beside the point.  The existence of the cage has been acknowledged, the bagged evidenced videotaped inside the cage has not. 

Subject avoided.

4. Now let look at post mortom issues, a body will start to decompose in 2 hours after dead and start building toxid gases. it will require professional handling.

All muderers who hide the body hire professionals if they don't get the job completed within that almighty 2 hour deadline.  Wth?  Got a link?

5. we had 3 mayor close call horacain and the sea where that cage is was like a washing machine.

Again, completely ignoring the fact that evidence was found in the cage.

Question: do you know what will happend to fabrick in salt water for almost 3 year with constant stream, they loose color first since the die of jeans will become white in salt water and then will be decompose.

if it was fresh water, it will be come slimy then iit will start to build these bacteria that will make smell like someone just vomit (Acid smell)

Is this just a guess on your part? I've found no evidence whatsoever that what you are claiming is true.  From what I've read, salt affects the texture of a fabric much moreso than the color.


now let go back to time

let assume that they put her in the cage at night...that means that they must had knowledge of the case prior and was well know to the exact cordination to go to that location , put in scuba gear, have some sort of referance or GPS location finder and dive at night and put it in the cage. Likely hood that that has happend in 2005? No. to much preparation.

Why don't you tell us how you found out where the cage was and then we'll discuss it.  Obviously someone knew the location, no one believes that the brother of an ALE detective had a vision giving him the latitude.

assume that they did it the next day, then where will they have put the body that night to beat the post mortom process.?? ice in a badtube will not do it.

Asume that ALE put it some bones or object in the cage when OE was not looking, Why do that and what is the purpuse.

assume that whit ALE acction, What will be the benefit and to who? what will be their next move.

logic : Some one hid a body somewhere in a cage in Aruba ocean
A search for that cage was organised and started
a cage was found
the cage was empty on TV tumbs Down

PARADOX NOW

Go back to cage 7 day back and put in a body parts,  but you will then create a paradox here. you have it on tv to show the whole world that the cage was empty. (Paradox is where we tried to change an event that happend in the past.)

then we have to find why was the paradox created and who is it to its benefit.

CAPS

The rest of these assumptions are nonsense.  Logic based on nonsense is ridiculous and insulting.  Who decided the evidence was put in the cage 7 days before it was discovered?

Oh, yeah.  Caps just acknowledged that there were body parts found in the cage.
 I assume he knows the cage was not found in the pond.


 ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 30, 2009, 01:01:07 PM
KTF,

I was just reading a forum you quoted yesterday, iirc.  Reading there about the foreign companies using their foreign crews in the Gulf of Mexico, brought me to another blog about American Professional Mariners, where there are some great photos of foreign company vessels.  Maybe not related in topic, but interesting, nonetheless.

http://gcaptain.com/forum/showthread.php?t=915&page=2

http://americanprofessionalmariners.blogspot.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 30, 2009, 01:03:32 PM
MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things (ph), Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot.

I don't know how to spell it...Jossy is so hard to hear on television. I would not have a clue if it started with an "h" or a "j" or what considering the language there. If I were trying for a phonetic spelling I would go with "Heilman". Don't hold me to it, I am most likely wrong
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg567204#msg567204

CAPS FIRST POSTS ON FRONT PAGE SAID BODY IN CEMETERY:
Quote from: klaasend on December 21, 2007, 04:52:52 PM
Posted on the front page of SM (this person appears to be posting from Aruba):

CapslockWizard wrote:
<snip>
The reason that no one can find her is that she must be among all the dead in the cemetery and who is going to search a cemetery for a body where there is already a lot of body in the place.
<snip>
he Logic is, nobody is going to look in a cemetery and if you are going to search a cemetery, it will be difficult to search without disturbing the graves. And another drawback is that you need permission of the families to open all the Kelders.
And this is my theory on this case and my logic thinking.
CapslockWizard
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2463.720

THEN CAPS says BODY NOT IN OCEAN:
the body was never in the occean..the holding place was the pond. till other arrangements. which is what Shango was talking about "There was a game goining down" meaning "there was a funeral to be held". and "light the fires" means light the candles.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.160

« Reply #782 on: Today at 10:02:15 PM » CAPS
At the appropiate time all in the dark will come to light.
meeting at 6 pm on sunday, plan B ----- watch the news these days.
THE COVER UP CONTINUES ...
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/14/natalee-holloway-new-witness-in-aruba-ids-joran-van-der-sloot-and-prosecution-continues-the-cover-up/

Jossy: Yes. Both Joran and Paul are implicated in the witnessess' declaration. That will come out in the second delivery soon.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.760

ORANJESTAD (AAN): In the month of June, a cruel case took place in Sabana Basora that shocked not only those who live in the neighborhood but also the whole community.
<snip>

Simply said, the families are none too happy with the investigations that are currently taking place in Aruba.
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_09_archive.html

GUESS WHERE THE GOVERNMENT CEMETERY IS LOCATED?:
Police is investigating the cause behind the dead of the man Rene van
Heyningen whose body was found behind the Government cemetery at
Sabana Basora


So Sixto Vrolijk and Jose Giron are on the MEP party along with vd straaten and Jeannette Richardson

so they would be connected with Van der Straaten and Dolf Richardson's wife.
The witness says he saw paulus that night and Joran near the pond.
So, how would this get a conviction of Joran and/or his father?
Even if a shoe is found in that pond?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.msg648548#msg648548
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4743.140

Jose Giron
Sabana Basora 20-C
Tel/Fax: 585 1030
http://tinyurl.com/bc4k7e















Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 01:05:58 PM
At least you rile me up on Monday after i've had some nice relaxation Kermit!!! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 01:09:02 PM
KTF,

I was just reading a forum you quoted yesterday, iirc.  Reading there about the foreign companies using their foreign crews in the Gulf of Mexico, brought me to another blog about American Professional Mariners, where there are some great photos of foreign company vessels.  Maybe not related in topic, but interesting, nonetheless.

http://gcaptain.com/forum/showthread.php?t=915&page=2

http://americanprofessionalmariners.blogspot.com/

I believe it was Hotping that posted that..Wasn't it about Foreign companies using American companies as Shell companies to get to the Oil??I could be wrong.. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 30, 2009, 01:11:17 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

So Sixto Vrolijk is on the MEP party along with vd straaten and Jeannette Richardson
so they would be connected with Van der Straaten and Dolf Richardson's wife.
The witness says he saw paulus that night and Joran near the pond.
So, how would this get a conviction of Joran and/or his father?
Even if a shoe is found in that pond?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.msg648548#msg648548
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4743.140

MIEMBRO DI COMISION:
 
1. Dunador di trabao - Ebby Arends – presidente di CBB
 Lisette Malmberg – suplente

2.Sindicato: Jose Giron
   Sixto Vrolijk
– suplente

3. Enseñanza: Lydia Emerencia – vice presidente
 Angelo Brete – suplente

4.Clero: Pader J. v/d Lee
 Pader S. Tomasik – suplente

5. Cuerpo Policial: Jeannette Richardson
   Jan v/d Straten – suplente

6. Liaison cu Prensa Nilka Franca

7. Secretario: Lorraine de Souza
http://www.arubachamber.com/ComisionBonBoluntad.htm


Jeannette Richardson and Jan van der Straaten on the same Commission.

Jeannette Richardson, wife of Dolf Richardson.
Along with MEP Party members: Sixto Vrolkjk and Jose Giron.


* Dolf Richardson is the lead investigator
* Dolf Richardson was on the Persistence and kept telling them to search further out.
* Dolf Richardson is the one that was in charge of the evidence from the trap.


To: Department of Civil Aviation
Mr. A. Vrolijk
Sabana Berde 73-B
http://tinyurl.com/cqr3us


 Vrolijk says that the radar currently at the airport, was one of the most modern radars in the Caribbean ten years ago.  The installation does no longer work due to lack of necessary maintenance.
http://tinyurl.com/d3zwn5

(http://www.arubachamber.com/Annual_Business_Meeting/2007/Webpage-2007-p2_files/image018.jpg)
Mr. A. Vrolijk and Mr. A. Riley 
http://www.arubachamber.com/Annual_Business_Meeting/2007/Webpage-2007-p2.htm








What i also have a MAJOR problem with is...Who was Van Der Stratten's Secretary??Wasn't it a Mansur??

I believe it was Sarah Mansur



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 30, 2009, 01:11:28 PM
KTF,

I was just reading a forum you quoted yesterday, iirc.  Reading there about the foreign companies using their foreign crews in the Gulf of Mexico, brought me to another blog about American Professional Mariners, where there are some great photos of foreign company vessels.  Maybe not related in topic, but interesting, nonetheless.

http://gcaptain.com/forum/showthread.php?t=915&page=2

http://americanprofessionalmariners.blogspot.com/

I believe it was Hotping that posted that..Wasn't it about Foreign companies using American companies as Shell companies to get to the Oil??I could be wrong.. ::MonkeyConfused::

It may have been Hotping.  I just knew I had read an excerpt from the forum.  My apology to whoever posted it.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 30, 2009, 01:11:59 PM
At least you rile me up on Monday after i've had some nice relaxation Kermit!!! ::MonkeyLaugh::

That's a good thing.
I think.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 30, 2009, 01:13:35 PM
MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things (ph), Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot.

I don't know how to spell it...Jossy is so hard to hear on television. I would not have a clue if it started with an "h" or a "j" or what considering the language there. If I were trying for a phonetic spelling I would go with "Heilman". Don't hold me to it, I am most likely wrong
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg567204#msg567204

CAPS FIRST POSTS ON FRONT PAGE SAID BODY IN CEMETERY:
Quote from: klaasend on December 21, 2007, 04:52:52 PM
Posted on the front page of SM (this person appears to be posting from Aruba):

CapslockWizard wrote:
<snip>
The reason that no one can find her is that she must be among all the dead in the cemetery and who is going to search a cemetery for a body where there is already a lot of body in the place.
<snip>
he Logic is, nobody is going to look in a cemetery and if you are going to search a cemetery, it will be difficult to search without disturbing the graves. And another drawback is that you need permission of the families to open all the Kelders.
And this is my theory on this case and my logic thinking.
CapslockWizard
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2463.720

THEN CAPS says BODY NOT IN OCEAN:
the body was never in the occean..the holding place was the pond. till other arrangements. which is what Shango was talking about "There was a game goining down" meaning "there was a funeral to be held". and "light the fires" means light the candles.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.160

« Reply #782 on: Today at 10:02:15 PM » CAPS
At the appropiate time all in the dark will come to light.
meeting at 6 pm on sunday, plan B ----- watch the news these days.
THE COVER UP CONTINUES ...
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/14/natalee-holloway-new-witness-in-aruba-ids-joran-van-der-sloot-and-prosecution-continues-the-cover-up/

Jossy: Yes. Both Joran and Paul are implicated in the witnessess' declaration. That will come out in the second delivery soon.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.760

ORANJESTAD (AAN): In the month of June, a cruel case took place in Sabana Basora that shocked not only those who live in the neighborhood but also the whole community.
<snip>

Simply said, the families are none too happy with the investigations that are currently taking place in Aruba.
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_09_archive.html

GUESS WHERE THE GOVERNMENT CEMETERY IS LOCATED?:
Police is investigating the cause behind the dead of the man Rene van
Heyningen whose body was found behind the Government cemetery at
Sabana Basora


So Sixto Vrolijk and Jose Giron are on the MEP party along with vd straaten and Jeannette Richardson

so they would be connected with Van der Straaten and Dolf Richardson's wife.
The witness says he saw paulus that night and Joran near the pond.
So, how would this get a conviction of Joran and/or his father?
Even if a shoe is found in that pond?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.msg648548#msg648548
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4743.140

Jose Giron
Sabana Basora 20-C
Tel/Fax: 585 1030
http://tinyurl.com/bc4k7e
















Silly me!  I had been looking at Geerman as the name of the witness. ::MonkeyHaHa::

You are such a smart Frog!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 30, 2009, 01:14:06 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

So Sixto Vrolijk is on the MEP party along with vd straaten and Jeannette Richardson
so they would be connected with Van der Straaten and Dolf Richardson's wife.
The witness says he saw paulus that night and Joran near the pond.
So, how would this get a conviction of Joran and/or his father?
Even if a shoe is found in that pond?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.msg648548#msg648548
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4743.140

MIEMBRO DI COMISION:
 
1. Dunador di trabao - Ebby Arends – presidente di CBB
 Lisette Malmberg – suplente

2.Sindicato: Jose Giron
   Sixto Vrolijk
– suplente

3. Enseñanza: Lydia Emerencia – vice presidente
 Angelo Brete – suplente

4.Clero: Pader J. v/d Lee
 Pader S. Tomasik – suplente

5. Cuerpo Policial: Jeannette Richardson
   Jan v/d Straten – suplente

6. Liaison cu Prensa Nilka Franca

7. Secretario: Lorraine de Souza
http://www.arubachamber.com/ComisionBonBoluntad.htm


Jeannette Richardson and Jan van der Straaten on the same Commission.

Jeannette Richardson, wife of Dolf Richardson.
Along with MEP Party members: Sixto Vrolkjk and Jose Giron.


* Dolf Richardson is the lead investigator
* Dolf Richardson was on the Persistence and kept telling them to search further out.
* Dolf Richardson is the one that was in charge of the evidence from the trap.


To: Department of Civil Aviation
Mr. A. Vrolijk
Sabana Berde 73-B
http://tinyurl.com/cqr3us


 Vrolijk says that the radar currently at the airport, was one of the most modern radars in the Caribbean ten years ago.  The installation does no longer work due to lack of necessary maintenance.
http://tinyurl.com/d3zwn5

(http://www.arubachamber.com/Annual_Business_Meeting/2007/Webpage-2007-p2_files/image018.jpg)
Mr. A. Vrolijk and Mr. A. Riley 
http://www.arubachamber.com/Annual_Business_Meeting/2007/Webpage-2007-p2.htm








What i also have a MAJOR problem with is...Who was Van Der Stratten's Secretary??Wasn't it a Mansur??

I believe it was Sarah Mansur



I'm confused... I thought Dolf Richardson's wife was van der Straten's secretary? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 30, 2009, 01:14:14 PM
Kyle: "I couldn't agree more. It was wrong to sit on the footage. I did everything I could to get them out and get them to Beth. Imagine how I felt having found the trap. I was told to move forward and to forget about the trap. I was told not to show anyone the images. I got around this through Tim Trahan. It took months. The only way I felt I could do anything was through here. I hoped through here that at least the images could get to Beth. Fortunately Tim said I could send them to her.


BITE ME you piece of dog poop capslockwizard


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 01:15:16 PM
MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things (ph), [color=red]Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot. [/color]

I don't know how to spell it...Jossy is so hard to hear on television. I would not have a clue if it started with an "h" or a "j" or what considering the language there. If I were trying for a phonetic spelling I would go with "Heilman". Don't hold me to it, I am most likely wrong
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg567204#msg567204

CAPS FIRST POSTS ON FRONT PAGE SAID BODY IN CEMETERY:
Quote from: klaasend on December 21, 2007, 04:52:52 PM
Posted on the front page of SM (this person appears to be posting from Aruba):

CapslockWizard wrote:
<snip>
The reason that no one can find her is that she must be among all the dead in the cemetery and who is going to search a cemetery for a body where there is already a lot of body in the place.
<snip>
he Logic is, nobody is going to look in a cemetery and if you are going to search a cemetery, it will be difficult to search without disturbing the graves. And another drawback is that you need permission of the families to open all the Kelders.
And this is my theory on this case and my logic thinking.
CapslockWizard
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2463.720

THEN CAPS says BODY NOT IN OCEAN:
the body was never in the occean..the holding place was the pond. till other arrangements. which is what Shango was talking about "There was a game goining down" meaning "there was a funeral to be held". and "light the fires" means light the candles.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.160

« Reply #782 on: Today at 10:02:15 PM » CAPS
At the appropiate time all in the dark will come to light.
meeting at 6 pm on sunday, plan B ----- watch the news these days.
THE COVER UP CONTINUES ...
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/14/natalee-holloway-new-witness-in-aruba-ids-joran-van-der-sloot-and-prosecution-continues-the-cover-up/

Jossy: Yes. Both Joran and Paul are implicated in the witnessess' declaration. That will come out in the second delivery soon.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.760

ORANJESTAD (AAN): In the month of June, a cruel case took place in Sabana Basora that shocked not only those who live in the neighborhood but also the whole community.
<snip>

Simply said, the families are none too happy with the investigations that are currently taking place in Aruba.
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_09_archive.html

GUESS WHERE THE GOVERNMENT CEMETERY IS LOCATED?:
Police is investigating the cause behind the dead of the man Rene van
Heyningen whose body was found behind the Government cemetery at
Sabana Basora


So Sixto Vrolijk and Jose Giron are on the MEP party along with vd straaten and Jeannette Richardson

so they would be connected with Van der Straaten and Dolf Richardson's wife.
The witness says he saw paulus that night and Joran near the pond.
So, how would this get a conviction of Joran and/or his father?
Even if a shoe is found in that pond?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.msg648548#msg648548
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4743.140

Jose Giron
Sabana Basora 20-C
Tel/Fax: 585 1030
http://tinyurl.com/bc4k7e




 ::MonkeyShocked::

As Beth Holloway would say ... "Greta ... this is huge."

Kermit ... it was not my understanding that a "Mr. Herman" was the witness.  Could you please expand.

Thank you.

Janet

+++++++

Holloway Cover-up By Aruban Law Enforcement?
Friday, December 05, 2008


VAN SUSTEREN: In the conversation that we had with Joran, he claims that the voice on the tape is his father. And obviously the prosecutor could prove that or disprove that. He could use subpoena power and do that. We can't get a first-generation tape from his father and do that.

Is it likely that the prosecutor will do that? Because, frankly, if it turns out that is his voice, his father under what he said is up to his eyeballs in something.

MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things(ph), Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot.

And we assume, and it has been certified by this man that the man who took Joran van der Sloot to his home that night after Natalee disappeared was his father. So he was involved from the beginning.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,462349,00.html




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 30, 2009, 01:16:12 PM
MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things (ph), Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot.

I don't know how to spell it...Jossy is so hard to hear on television. I would not have a clue if it started with an "h" or a "j" or what considering the language there. If I were trying for a phonetic spelling I would go with "Heilman". Don't hold me to it, I am most likely wrong
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg567204#msg567204

CAPS FIRST POSTS ON FRONT PAGE SAID BODY IN CEMETERY:
Quote from: klaasend on December 21, 2007, 04:52:52 PM
Posted on the front page of SM (this person appears to be posting from Aruba):

CapslockWizard wrote:
<snip>
The reason that no one can find her is that she must be among all the dead in the cemetery and who is going to search a cemetery for a body where there is already a lot of body in the place.
<snip>
he Logic is, nobody is going to look in a cemetery and if you are going to search a cemetery, it will be difficult to search without disturbing the graves. And another drawback is that you need permission of the families to open all the Kelders.
And this is my theory on this case and my logic thinking.
CapslockWizard
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2463.720

THEN CAPS says BODY NOT IN OCEAN:
the body was never in the occean..the holding place was the pond. till other arrangements. which is what Shango was talking about "There was a game goining down" meaning "there was a funeral to be held". and "light the fires" means light the candles.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.160

« Reply #782 on: Today at 10:02:15 PM » CAPS
At the appropiate time all in the dark will come to light.
meeting at 6 pm on sunday, plan B ----- watch the news these days.
THE COVER UP CONTINUES ...
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/14/natalee-holloway-new-witness-in-aruba-ids-joran-van-der-sloot-and-prosecution-continues-the-cover-up/

Jossy: Yes. Both Joran and Paul are implicated in the witnessess' declaration. That will come out in the second delivery soon.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.760

ORANJESTAD (AAN): In the month of June, a cruel case took place in Sabana Basora that shocked not only those who live in the neighborhood but also the whole community.
<snip>

Simply said, the families are none too happy with the investigations that are currently taking place in Aruba.
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_09_archive.html

GUESS WHERE THE GOVERNMENT CEMETERY IS LOCATED?:
Police is investigating the cause behind the dead of the man Rene van
Heyningen whose body was found behind the Government cemetery at
Sabana Basora


So Sixto Vrolijk and Jose Giron are on the MEP party along with vd straaten and Jeannette Richardson

so they would be connected with Van der Straaten and Dolf Richardson's wife.
The witness says he saw paulus that night and Joran near the pond.
So, how would this get a conviction of Joran and/or his father?
Even if a shoe is found in that pond?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.msg648548#msg648548
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4743.140

Jose Giron
Sabana Basora 20-C
Tel/Fax: 585 1030
http://tinyurl.com/bc4k7e
















Silly me!  I had been looking at Geerman as the name of the witness. ::MonkeyHaHa::

You are such a smart Frog!

Another freebird figured it out.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 01:18:13 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 01:25:38 PM
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Janet

+++++


adoronron
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
« Reply #143 on: December 31, 2008, 05:52:55 PM »


Mum,

I pop on every few days to catch up. I used to get involved with the discussions but for some time now, it seems to me, not much headway is being made. And I think the reason is the diversions that occur. It's as if someone or several people are watching SM and every so often they determine SM is on to something and they implement a diversion. Whoever he, she, or they are, they must be very satisfied with their most recent endeavor what with all the terse posts of late among the SMer's.

I agree with your comment "As far as I can see this cage business is the diversion".

My own opinion is; No body no case + incinerator operator suicide = no body. JMO

Ado

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4328.msg605405#msg605405


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 30, 2009, 01:28:36 PM
Aruban Tourism is Drying Up
(http://home.att.net/~i_write_screenplays/sailboat-in-a-puddle.jpg)
Going! Going! Gone!
Better give Natalee back before it's too late, Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 01:29:39 PM
MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things (ph), Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot.

I don't know how to spell it...Jossy is so hard to hear on television. I would not have a clue if it started with an "h" or a "j" or what considering the language there. If I were trying for a phonetic spelling I would go with "Heilman". Don't hold me to it, I am most likely wrong
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg567204#msg567204

CAPS FIRST POSTS ON FRONT PAGE SAID BODY IN CEMETERY:
Quote from: klaasend on December 21, 2007, 04:52:52 PM
Posted on the front page of SM (this person appears to be posting from Aruba):

CapslockWizard wrote:
<snip>
The reason that no one can find her is that she must be among all the dead in the cemetery and who is going to search a cemetery for a body where there is already a lot of body in the place.
<snip>
he Logic is, nobody is going to look in a cemetery and if you are going to search a cemetery, it will be difficult to search without disturbing the graves. And another drawback is that you need permission of the families to open all the Kelders.
And this is my theory on this case and my logic thinking.
CapslockWizard
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2463.720

THEN CAPS says BODY NOT IN OCEAN:
the body was never in the occean..the holding place was the pond. till other arrangements. which is what Shango was talking about "There was a game goining down" meaning "there was a funeral to be held". and "light the fires" means light the candles.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.160

« Reply #782 on: Today at 10:02:15 PM » CAPS
At the appropiate time all in the dark will come to light.
meeting at 6 pm on sunday, plan B ----- watch the news these days.
THE COVER UP CONTINUES ...
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/14/natalee-holloway-new-witness-in-aruba-ids-joran-van-der-sloot-and-prosecution-continues-the-cover-up/

Jossy: Yes. Both Joran and Paul are implicated in the witnessess' declaration. That will come out in the second delivery soon.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.760

ORANJESTAD (AAN): In the month of June, a cruel case took place in Sabana Basora that shocked not only those who live in the neighborhood but also the whole community.
<snip>

Simply said, the families are none too happy with the investigations that are currently taking place in Aruba.
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_09_archive.html

GUESS WHERE THE GOVERNMENT CEMETERY IS LOCATED?:
Police is investigating the cause behind the dead of the man Rene van
Heyningen whose body was found behind the Government cemetery at
Sabana Basora


So Sixto Vrolijk and Jose Giron are on the MEP party along with vd straaten and Jeannette Richardson

so they would be connected with Van der Straaten and Dolf Richardson's wife.
The witness says he saw paulus that night and Joran near the pond.
So, how would this get a conviction of Joran and/or his father?
Even if a shoe is found in that pond?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.msg648548#msg648548
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4743.140

Jose Giron
Sabana Basora 20-C
Tel/Fax: 585 1030
http://tinyurl.com/bc4k7e  





 ::MonkeyShocked::

As Beth Holloway would say ... "Greta ... this is huge."

Kermit ... it was not my understanding that a "Mr. Herman" was not the witness.  Could you please expand.

Thank you.

Janet

+++++++

Holloway Cover-up By Aruban Law Enforcement?
Friday, December 05, 2008


VAN SUSTEREN: In the conversation that we had with Joran, he claims that the voice on the tape is his father. And obviously the prosecutor could prove that or disprove that. He could use subpoena power and do that. We can't get a first-generation tape from his father and do that.

Is it likely that the prosecutor will do that? Because, frankly, if it turns out that is his voice, his father under what he said is up to his eyeballs in something.

MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things(ph), Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot.

And we assume, and it has been certified by this man that the man who took Joran van der Sloot to his home that night after Natalee disappeared was his father. So he was involved from the beginning.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,462349,00.html


I think I get it.  Yes?  No?

Ribbit.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 01:30:59 PM
POOCHY

I brought this post here from the main thread because I totally agree with SS.  Caps does not deserve what was written about him at all on the main thread.  In fact I wish CAPS would come back and post on this codetalker thread -- most of his theories come from deciphering codetaker prose.  SS, only a handful 'bashed' Caps on the main thread. Most of us would like for him to ignore that and come back and tell us what he's learned so far.

His last post was about the masonic graveyard and then poof - lets bash Caps because he is "diverting us" from the crab trap.  I say who is 'diverting' whom? Maybe those with the crab trap theory are diverting the rest of us from other avenues.   Everybody is just tossing out theories and truly care about Natalee and her family. Unless I missed something that a professional said, like Greta, on national tv said that Natalee's remains were definitely in that trap, then I will believe it, but until then, to me it is just another theory. Nobody knows.

Colombo - Mum - and other SM codetalker posters, thanks for keeping this thread alive as we interpret codetalker prose.

CAPS - COME BACK!




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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 30, 2009, 01:36:15 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

So Sixto Vrolijk is on the MEP party along with vd straaten and Jeannette Richardson
so they would be connected with Van der Straaten and Dolf Richardson's wife.
The witness says he saw paulus that night and Joran near the pond.
So, how would this get a conviction of Joran and/or his father?
Even if a shoe is found in that pond?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.msg648548#msg648548
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4743.140

MIEMBRO DI COMISION:
 
1. Dunador di trabao - Ebby Arends – presidente di CBB
 Lisette Malmberg – suplente

2.Sindicato: Jose Giron
   Sixto Vrolijk
– suplente

3. Enseñanza: Lydia Emerencia – vice presidente
 Angelo Brete – suplente

4.Clero: Pader J. v/d Lee
 Pader S. Tomasik – suplente

5. Cuerpo Policial: Jeannette Richardson
   Jan v/d Straten – suplente

6. Liaison cu Prensa Nilka Franca

7. Secretario: Lorraine de Souza
http://www.arubachamber.com/ComisionBonBoluntad.htm


Jeannette Richardson and Jan van der Straaten on the same Commission.

Jeannette Richardson, wife of Dolf Richardson.
Along with MEP Party members: Sixto Vrolkjk and Jose Giron.


* Dolf Richardson is the lead investigator
* Dolf Richardson was on the Persistence and kept telling them to search further out.
* Dolf Richardson is the one that was in charge of the evidence from the trap.


To: Department of Civil Aviation
Mr. A. Vrolijk
Sabana Berde 73-B
http://tinyurl.com/cqr3us


 Vrolijk says that the radar currently at the airport, was one of the most modern radars in the Caribbean ten years ago.  The installation does no longer work due to lack of necessary maintenance.
http://tinyurl.com/d3zwn5

(http://www.arubachamber.com/Annual_Business_Meeting/2007/Webpage-2007-p2_files/image018.jpg)
Mr. A. Vrolijk and Mr. A. Riley 
http://www.arubachamber.com/Annual_Business_Meeting/2007/Webpage-2007-p2.htm








What i also have a MAJOR problem with is...Who was Van Der Stratten's Secretary??Wasn't it a Mansur??

I believe it was Sarah Mansur



I'm confused... I thought Dolf Richardson's wife was van der Straten's secretary? 


No - Jeannette Richardson was in charge of personnel for the police department.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 30, 2009, 01:37:04 PM
Aruban Tourism is Drying Up
(http://home.att.net/~i_write_screenplays/sailboat-in-a-puddle.jpg)
Going! Going! Gone!
Better give Natalee back before it's too late, Aruba.


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

GOOD!!!

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/NoTour.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 30, 2009, 01:37:19 PM
MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things (ph), Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot.

I don't know how to spell it...Jossy is so hard to hear on television. I would not have a clue if it started with an "h" or a "j" or what considering the language there. If I were trying for a phonetic spelling I would go with "Heilman". Don't hold me to it, I am most likely wrong
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg567204#msg567204

CAPS FIRST POSTS ON FRONT PAGE SAID BODY IN CEMETERY:
Quote from: klaasend on December 21, 2007, 04:52:52 PM
Posted on the front page of SM (this person appears to be posting from Aruba):

CapslockWizard wrote:
<snip>
The reason that no one can find her is that she must be among all the dead in the cemetery and who is going to search a cemetery for a body where there is already a lot of body in the place.
<snip>
he Logic is, nobody is going to look in a cemetery and if you are going to search a cemetery, it will be difficult to search without disturbing the graves. And another drawback is that you need permission of the families to open all the Kelders.
And this is my theory on this case and my logic thinking.
CapslockWizard
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2463.720

THEN CAPS says BODY NOT IN OCEAN:
the body was never in the occean..the holding place was the pond. till other arrangements. which is what Shango was talking about "There was a game goining down" meaning "there was a funeral to be held". and "light the fires" means light the candles.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.160

« Reply #782 on: Today at 10:02:15 PM » CAPS
At the appropiate time all in the dark will come to light.
meeting at 6 pm on sunday, plan B ----- watch the news these days.
THE COVER UP CONTINUES ...
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/14/natalee-holloway-new-witness-in-aruba-ids-joran-van-der-sloot-and-prosecution-continues-the-cover-up/

Jossy: Yes. Both Joran and Paul are implicated in the witnessess' declaration. That will come out in the second delivery soon.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.760

ORANJESTAD (AAN): In the month of June, a cruel case took place in Sabana Basora that shocked not only those who live in the neighborhood but also the whole community.
<snip>

Simply said, the families are none too happy with the investigations that are currently taking place in Aruba.
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_09_archive.html

GUESS WHERE THE GOVERNMENT CEMETERY IS LOCATED?:
Police is investigating the cause behind the dead of the man Rene van
Heyningen whose body was found behind the Government cemetery at
Sabana Basora


So Sixto Vrolijk and Jose Giron are on the MEP party along with vd straaten and Jeannette Richardson

so they would be connected with Van der Straaten and Dolf Richardson's wife.
The witness says he saw paulus that night and Joran near the pond.
So, how would this get a conviction of Joran and/or his father?
Even if a shoe is found in that pond?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.msg648548#msg648548
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4743.140

Jose Giron
Sabana Basora 20-C
Tel/Fax: 585 1030
http://tinyurl.com/bc4k7e
















Silly me!  I had been looking at Geerman as the name of the witness. ::MonkeyHaHa::

You are such a smart Frog!

Just kind of jumps right out at you, doesn't it?  Phoenetically, anyway.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 01:42:19 PM
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+++++


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
« Reply #143 on: December 31, 2008, 05:52:55 PM »


Mum,

I pop on every few days to catch up. I used to get involved with the discussions but for some time now, it seems to me, not much headway is being made. And I think the reason is the diversions that occur. It's as if someone or several people are watching SM and every so often they determine SM is on to something and they implement a diversion. Whoever he, she, or they are, they must be very satisfied with their most recent endeavor what with all the terse posts of late among the SMer's.

I agree with your comment "As far as I can see this cage business is the diversion".

My own opinion is; No body no case + incinerator operator suicide = no body. JMO

Ado

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4328.msg605405#msg605405

Again..No answer... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 30, 2009, 01:43:13 PM
What i also have a MAJOR problem with is...Who was Van Der Stratten's Secretary??Wasn't it a Mansur??

I believe it was Sarah Mansur



I'm confused... I thought Dolf Richardson's wife was van der Straten's secretary? 


No - Jeannette Richardson was in charge of personnel for the police department.  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks, Jen!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 30, 2009, 01:43:15 PM


I'm confused... I thought Dolf Richardson's wife was van der Straten's secretary? 


No - Jeannette Richardson was in charge of personnel for the police department.  ::MonkeyWink::
[/quote]

Here's what I found on her Lifesong -


Police Headquarters
Staff Division
Head of Staff  

Mrs Jeannette H.J. Richardson - Baars, MA  

jhjrichardson@kparuba.com



Department of Criminal Investigation
Noord Police Precinct
Head of Criminal Investigations  

Mr Adolfo E Richardson LLM  

http://www.historie-sliedrecht.nl/Genea%20Baars.htm


2.Jeannette Hubertha Johanna(Jetty) Baars, geboren 16 april 1967,gehuwd op 16-12-1994 met Adolfo Ernesto Richardson geboren  24-9-1967 Aruba


From The Barbados Advocate
Jeannette Richardson

ANY of the countries in the Caribbean region can be faced, as Aruba was recently, with the issue of visitor safety and security, as such, this will be the theme of the upcoming Association of Caribbean Commissioners of Police (ACCP) conference to be held in that Dutch territory next year.

Giving an outline of the draft agenda for the conference, Jeanette Richardson- Baar, Chief of Staff, to the Commissioner of Police of Aruba  said that the conference will be a perfect opportunity to showcase to everyone abroad that Aruba still is a very safe and secure island to visit. Her comments came as she spoke to those gathered for the final day of the ACCP Inter-sessional meeting at the Amaryllis Beach Resort yesterday.

http:scaredmonkeys.com/2005/12/09/accp-countries-to-learn-from-arubas-experience-with-natalee-holloway/


Hoofd Staf Korpschef Jeannette Richardson ext: 991
http://www.kparuba.com/contacts.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 01:47:51 PM
The dots are being connected!!

Beth Holloway is a believer in connecting the dots.

Janet

++++++

Transcript: Stunning Development in Holloway Case
Tuesday, April 18, 2006


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE'S MOTHER: ... And when I think of Joran van der Sloot and when I think of Steven Croes and I think of this new suspect (GVC) and the lies that were coming out early, very early, the moment we arrived on the island, if we find out that these three suspects are acquaintances or know each other — somebody needs to connect the dots. I mean, there certainly is a reason why Steven Croes came forward early on and stated, lied to the authorities that he had seen the two security guards taking Natalee. You know, people don't just do that for no reason, Greta. Somebody needs to connect the dots on those three, if they know each other.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192141,00.html 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Poochy on March 30, 2009, 01:49:15 PM
POOCHY

I brought this post here from the main thread because I totally agree with SS.  Caps does not deserve what was written about him at all on the main thread.  In fact I wish CAPS would come back and post on this codetalker thread -- most of his theories come from deciphering codetaker prose.  SS, only a handful 'bashed' Caps on the main thread. Most of us would like for him to ignore that and come back and tell us what he's learned so far.

His last post was about the masonic graveyard and then poof - lets bash Caps because he is "diverting us" from the crab trap.  I say who is 'diverting' whom? Maybe those with the crab trap theory are diverting the rest of us from other avenues.   Everybody is just tossing out theories and truly care about Natalee and her family. Unless I missed something that a professional said, like Greta, on national tv said that Natalee's remains were definitely in that trap, then I will believe it, but until then, to me it is just another theory. Nobody knows.

Colombo - Mum - and other SM codetalker posters, thanks for keeping this thread alive as we interpret codetalker prose.

CAPS - COME BACK!




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Still believe in CapsLockWizard Poochy??

Well, well, well, so POOCHY has finally made it on your 'who can we bash next' checklist.   ::MonkeyDance:: 

I have always been interested in what the codetalkers had to say. Most of my posts are over on that thread. And YES I am very interested in what CAPS had to say, as well as what other posters (well, most other posters) have to say.

Is it a crime to read forum pages on which I am a member? Would it please you more if I logged in as "Guest" the next time I read SM?

We are all looking for Natalee in our own way. Everyone on this board wants closure for this family. Unfortunately a handful here have chosen to tear apart posters while playing armchair detective so much that posters are leaving this forum.  Is that your intention?   

Why are you so cruel to posters who dedicate time out of their lives to search for clues into her disappearance? So I don't believe some fuzzy, grainy crab trap internet pictures. Is that a crime in your book? Hey,  I don't quote your posts and bash them - I just merely scroll past the tomes of repetitive crab trap and Kyle/Caps bashing posts that have been on here month after month ad nauseum.   ::MonkeyLaugh::
 
"...Unless I missed something that a professional said, like Greta, on national tv said that Natalee's remains were definitely in that trap, then I will believe it, but until then, to me it is just another theory. Nobody knows.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 01:56:14 PM
MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things (ph), Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot.

I don't know how to spell it...Jossy is so hard to hear on television. I would not have a clue if it started with an "h" or a "j" or what considering the language there. If I were trying for a phonetic spelling I would go with "Heilman". Don't hold me to it, I am most likely wrong
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg567204#msg567204

CAPS FIRST POSTS ON FRONT PAGE SAID BODY IN CEMETERY:
Quote from: klaasend on December 21, 2007, 04:52:52 PM
Posted on the front page of SM (this person appears to be posting from Aruba):

CapslockWizard wrote:
<snip>
The reason that no one can find her is that she must be among all the dead in the cemetery and who is going to search a cemetery for a body where there is already a lot of body in the place.
<snip>
he Logic is, nobody is going to look in a cemetery and if you are going to search a cemetery, it will be difficult to search without disturbing the graves. And another drawback is that you need permission of the families to open all the Kelders.
And this is my theory on this case and my logic thinking.
CapslockWizard
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2463.720

THEN CAPS says BODY NOT IN OCEAN:
the body was never in the occean..the holding place was the pond. till other arrangements. which is what Shango was talking about "There was a game goining down" meaning "there was a funeral to be held". and "light the fires" means light the candles.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.160

« Reply #782 on: Today at 10:02:15 PM » CAPS
At the appropiate time all in the dark will come to light.
meeting at 6 pm on sunday, plan B ----- watch the news these days.
THE COVER UP CONTINUES ...
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/14/natalee-holloway-new-witness-in-aruba-ids-joran-van-der-sloot-and-prosecution-continues-the-cover-up/

Jossy: Yes. Both Joran and Paul are implicated in the witnessess' declaration. That will come out in the second delivery soon.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3332.760

ORANJESTAD (AAN): In the month of June, a cruel case took place in Sabana Basora that shocked not only those who live in the neighborhood but also the whole community.
<snip>

Simply said, the families are none too happy with the investigations that are currently taking place in Aruba.
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_09_archive.html

GUESS WHERE THE GOVERNMENT CEMETERY IS LOCATED?:
Police is investigating the cause behind the dead of the man Rene van
Heyningen whose body was found behind the Government cemetery at
Sabana Basora


So Sixto Vrolijk and Jose Giron are on the MEP party along with vd straaten and Jeannette Richardson

so they would be connected with Van der Straaten and Dolf Richardson's wife.
The witness says he saw paulus that night and Joran near the pond.
So, how would this get a conviction of Joran and/or his father?
Even if a shoe is found in that pond?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.msg648548#msg648548
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4743.140

Jose Giron
Sabana Basora 20-C
Tel/Fax: 585 1030
http://tinyurl.com/bc4k7e



Silly me!  I had been looking at Geerman as the name of the witness. ::MonkeyHaHa::

You are such a smart Frog!

Just kind of jumps right out at you, doesn't it?  Phoenetically, anyway.

I agree ... especially when you consider Jossy's accent.

Is there a video of that Greta interview anywhere.  Carp did an amazing job of compiling these videos of interviews related to the Natalee Holloway case.  I do not have a clue where to look.

Janet

++++


Quote from: SS on December 05, 2008, 02:45:35 AM
Since Jossy gave the name on public television for millions to hear, would someone please tell us so we won't have to wait for the transcript?  I don't get Greta.

Quote from: Lala'sMom on December 05, 2008, 02:47:44 AM
I don't know how to spell it...Jossy is so hard to hear on television.  I would not have a clue if it started with an "h" or a "j" or what considering the language there.  If I were trying for a phonetic spelling I would go with  "Heilman". Don't hold me to it, I am most likely wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg567204#msg567204
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 30, 2009, 02:05:22 PM
I thought Kyle Kingman was a professional extraordinarie on ROV images.  Wouldn't his word be more reliable than Greta van Susteren?  I just think he would know more what he was seeing than a news reporter.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 30, 2009, 02:08:30 PM
Janet - I have never seen a video of that show with Jossy giving the witness' name.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 30, 2009, 02:09:38 PM
I thought Kyle Kingman was a professional extraordinarie on ROV images.  Wouldn't his word be more reliable than Greta van Susteren?  I just think he would know more what he was seeing than a news reporter.

JMO

As would  the word and opinion of Tim Miller, in my mind.

Considering he searches for and finds the remains of missing people all the time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 02:09:46 PM

Well, well, well, so POOCHY has finally made it on your 'who can we bash next' checklist.   ::MonkeyDance:: 

I have always been interested in what the codetalkers had to say. Most of my posts are over on that thread. And YES I am very interested in what CAPS had to say, as well as what other posters (well, most other posters) have to say.

Is it a crime to read forum pages on which I am a member? Would it please you more if I logged in as "Guest" the next time I read SM?

We are all looking for Natalee in our own way. Everyone on this board wants closure for this family. Unfortunately a handful here have chosen to tear apart posters while playing armchair detective so much that posters are leaving this forum.  Is that your intention?   

Why are you so cruel to posters who dedicate time out of their lives to search for clues into her disappearance? So I don't believe some fuzzy, grainy crab trap internet pictures. Is that a crime in your book? Hey,  I don't quote your posts and bash them - I just merely scroll past the tomes of repetitive crab trap and Kyle/Caps bashing posts that have been on here month after month ad nauseum.   ::MonkeyLaugh::
 
"...Unless I missed something that a professional said, like Greta, on national tv said that Natalee's remains were definitely in that trap, then I will believe it, but until then, to me it is just another theory. Nobody knows.


Poochy

I never once read where you upheld Kermit when that "cruel" Frog thread existed at GM ... a thread created because she dared to expose Kyle Kingman's own words that imply that John Silvetti participated with the Arubans in furthering the coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing since for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005.

Actually ... I have never read where you have upheld any of the Monkeys who have been bashed and mocked in the Natalee Holloway threads at GM.

The Frog thread is gone from the site and ... many of the dispicable posts have been deleted.  However ... never fear ... all has been saved for safe keeping on Tamikosmom's hard drive.

From this day forward ... if one Gold Monkey accuses any Scared Monkey of being cruel ... of hurting feelings ... I am ready to start cutting and pasting.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 02:12:32 PM
Janet - I have never seen a video of that show with Jossy giving the witness' name.

Thanks Jen.

OK ... where is my hidey bag?  Please return it in the next post.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 02:15:18 PM

Well, well, well, so POOCHY has finally made it on your 'who can we bash next' checklist.   ::MonkeyDance:: 

I have always been interested in what the codetalkers had to say. Most of my posts are over on that thread. And YES I am very interested in what CAPS had to say, as well as what other posters (well, most other posters) have to say.

Is it a crime to read forum pages on which I am a member? Would it please you more if I logged in as "Guest" the next time I read SM?

We are all looking for Natalee in our own way. Everyone on this board wants closure for this family. Unfortunately a handful here have chosen to tear apart posters while playing armchair detective so much that posters are leaving this forum.  Is that your intention?   

Why are you so cruel to posters who dedicate time out of their lives to search for clues into her disappearance? So I don't believe some fuzzy, grainy crab trap internet pictures. Is that a crime in your book? Hey,  I don't quote your posts and bash them - I just merely scroll past the tomes of repetitive crab trap and Kyle/Caps bashing posts that have been on here month after month ad nauseum.   ::MonkeyLaugh::
 
"...Unless I missed something that a professional said, like Greta, on national tv said that Natalee's remains were definitely in that trap, then I will believe it, but until then, to me it is just another theory. Nobody knows.


Poochy

I never once read where you upheld Kermit when that "cruel" Frog thread existed at GM ... a thread created because she dared to expose Kyle Kingman's own words that imply that John Silvetti participated with the Arubans in furthering the coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing since for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005.

Actually ... I have never read where you have upheld any of the Monkeys who have been bashed and mocked in the Natalee Holloway threads at GM.

The Frog thread is gone from the site and ... many of the dispicable posts have been deleted.  However ... never fear ... all has been saved for safe keeping on Tamikosmom's hard drive.

From this day forward ... if one Gold Monkey accuses any Scared Monkey of being cruel ... of hurting feelings ... I am ready to start cutting and pasting.

Janet



Poochy..Do you believe CapsLockWizard.Yes or No..Very simple!TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 30, 2009, 02:21:46 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

KTF

Me has an open mind...and nothing would surprise me anymore.

this monkey is still absorbing info.
Prayers for Nat.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 02:24:48 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

KTF

Me has an open mind...and nothing would surprise me anymore.

this monkey is still absorbing info.
Prayers for Nat.

In my opinion,there is nothing to absorb from CapsLockWizard FOM...He's been nothing but a disinformation specialist and has done much harm to JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY...Again..JMOO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 02:24:50 PM
I thought Kyle Kingman was a professional extraordinarie on ROV images.  Wouldn't his word be more reliable than Greta van Susteren?  I just think he would know more what he was seeing than a news reporter.

JMO

As would  the word and opinion of Tim Miller, in my mind.

Considering he searches for and finds the remains of missing people all the time.

When his field of expertise is considered ... I have a lot more faith in Kyle Kingsman analysis of ROV images than Tim Miller's words.

Kyle Kingsman did claim that he had "convinced" Tim Miller that Natalee Holloway's remains could be in the trap.

Janet

++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingsman:
  The sediment in this case is fine-grained sand which is preferencially deposited to make a body form. For sand to preferentially deposit, there needs to be a lower energy state where the sand collects and stays. This can be achieved either with a shallow depression creating accomodation space and lower potential energy (not the case) or by creating small eddy currents due to surface friction. The sediment around the door area is being eroded or removed by currents. Where the body was, it is being deposited. Basically, the fabrics created enough resistence for sediment to preferentially collect on it. Further, bacterial staining due to decaying organics acts as a mild cementing agent. Combined, you will have sediment erosion around the body form and deposition on the body form which collects through time. In this case, possibly 2 1/2 years.

Kyle Kingman: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 02:26:04 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

KTF

Me has an open mind...and nothing would surprise me anymore.

this monkey is still absorbing info.
Prayers for Nat.

In my opinion,there is nothing to absorb from CapsLockWizard FOM...He's been nothing but a disinformation specialist and has done much harm to JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY...Again..JMOO

YES!!  LOGIC DICTATES!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: adoronron on March 30, 2009, 02:33:23 PM
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Welcome Monkey's ...Anything to ADD Adoronron???

Keepthefaith

Unless his/her position has changed ... I do believe that adoronron said it all in the following post.

Janet

+++++


adoronron
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
« Reply #143 on: December 31, 2008, 05:52:55 PM »


Mum,

I pop on every few days to catch up. I used to get involved with the discussions but for some time now, it seems to me, not much headway is being made. And I think the reason is the diversions that occur. It's as if someone or several people are watching SM and every so often they determine SM is on to something and they implement a diversion. Whoever he, she, or they are, they must be very satisfied with their most recent endeavor what with all the terse posts of late among the SMer's.

I agree with your comment "As far as I can see this cage business is the diversion".

My own opinion is; No body no case + incinerator operator suicide = no body. JMO

Ado

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4328.msg605405#msg605405

Again..No answer... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Keepthefaith,

I don't have time to follow along as much as I used. I visit just a few times a week and read a few pages.
I don't have anything to add.
Is there some particular point you want my opinion on?

Ado


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 02:35:31 PM
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Welcome Monkey's ...Anything to ADD Adoronron???

Keepthefaith

Unless his/her position has changed ... I do believe that adoronron said it all in the following post.

Janet

+++++


adoronron
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
« Reply #143 on: December 31, 2008, 05:52:55 PM »


Mum,

I pop on every few days to catch up. I used to get involved with the discussions but for some time now, it seems to me, not much headway is being made. And I think the reason is the diversions that occur. It's as if someone or several people are watching SM and every so often they determine SM is on to something and they implement a diversion. Whoever he, she, or they are, they must be very satisfied with their most recent endeavor what with all the terse posts of late among the SMer's.

I agree with your comment "As far as I can see this cage business is the diversion".

My own opinion is; No body no case + incinerator operator suicide = no body. JMO

Ado

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4328.msg605405#msg605405

Again..No answer... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Keepthefaith,

I don't have time to follow along as much as I used. I visit just a few times a week and read a few pages.
I don't have anything to add.
Is there some particular point you want my opinion on?

Ado

What do you believe to be diversions,as well as why?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 30, 2009, 02:42:58 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

So Sixto Vrolijk is on the MEP party along with vd straaten and Jeannette Richardson
so they would be connected with Van der Straaten and Dolf Richardson's wife.
The witness says he saw paulus that night and Joran near the pond.
So, how would this get a conviction of Joran and/or his father?
Even if a shoe is found in that pond?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.msg648548#msg648548
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4743.140

MIEMBRO DI COMISION:
 
1. Dunador di trabao - Ebby Arends – presidente di CBB
 Lisette Malmberg – suplente

2.Sindicato: Jose Giron
   Sixto Vrolijk
– suplente

3. Enseñanza: Lydia Emerencia – vice presidente
 Angelo Brete – suplente

4.Clero: Pader J. v/d Lee
 Pader S. Tomasik – suplente

5. Cuerpo Policial: Jeannette Richardson
   Jan v/d Straten – suplente

6. Liaison cu Prensa Nilka Franca

7. Secretario: Lorraine de Souza
http://www.arubachamber.com/ComisionBonBoluntad.htm


Jeannette Richardson and Jan van der Straaten on the same Commission.

Jeannette Richardson, wife of Dolf Richardson.
Along with MEP Party members: Sixto Vrolkjk and Jose Giron.


* Dolf Richardson is the lead investigator
* Dolf Richardson was on the Persistence and kept telling them to search further out.
* Dolf Richardson is the one that was in charge of the evidence from the trap.


To: Department of Civil Aviation
Mr. A. Vrolijk
Sabana Berde 73-B
http://tinyurl.com/cqr3us


 Vrolijk says that the radar currently at the airport, was one of the most modern radars in the Caribbean ten years ago.  The installation does no longer work due to lack of necessary maintenance.
http://tinyurl.com/d3zwn5

(http://www.arubachamber.com/Annual_Business_Meeting/2007/Webpage-2007-p2_files/image018.jpg)
Mr. A. Vrolijk and Mr. A. Riley 
http://www.arubachamber.com/Annual_Business_Meeting/2007/Webpage-2007-p2.htm








Morgan Freeman Slated To Play Mr. A. Vrolijk In The Upcoming Movie ........


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 02:45:11 PM

Well, well, well, so POOCHY has finally made it on your 'who can we bash next' checklist.   ::MonkeyDance:: 

I have always been interested in what the codetalkers had to say. Most of my posts are over on that thread. And YES I am very interested in what CAPS had to say, as well as what other posters (well, most other posters) have to say.

Is it a crime to read forum pages on which I am a member? Would it please you more if I logged in as "Guest" the next time I read SM?

We are all looking for Natalee in our own way. Everyone on this board wants closure for this family. Unfortunately a handful here have chosen to tear apart posters while playing armchair detective so much that posters are leaving this forum.  Is that your intention?   

Why are you so cruel to posters who dedicate time out of their lives to search for clues into her disappearance? So I don't believe some fuzzy, grainy crab trap internet pictures. Is that a crime in your book? Hey,  I don't quote your posts and bash them - I just merely scroll past the tomes of repetitive crab trap and Kyle/Caps bashing posts that have been on here month after month ad nauseum.   ::MonkeyLaugh::
 
"...Unless I missed something that a professional said, like Greta, on national tv said that Natalee's remains were definitely in that trap, then I will believe it, but until then, to me it is just another theory. Nobody knows.


Poochy

I never once read where you upheld Kermit when that "cruel" Frog thread existed at GM ... a thread created because she dared to expose Kyle Kingman's own words that imply that John Silvetti participated with the Arubans in furthering the coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing since for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005.

Actually ... I have never read where you have upheld any of the Monkeys who have been bashed and mocked in the Natalee Holloway threads at GM.

The Frog thread is gone from the site and ... many of the dispicable posts have been deleted.  However ... never fear ... all has been saved for safe keeping on Tamikosmom's hard drive.

From this day forward ... if one Gold Monkey accuses any Scared Monkey of being cruel ... of hurting feelings ... I am ready to start cutting and pasting.

Janet



Poochy..Do you believe CapsLockWizard.Yes or No..Very simple!TIA

Still waiting! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 30, 2009, 02:46:36 PM
Janet - I have never seen a video of that show with Jossy giving the witness' name.

Thanks Jen.

OK ... where is my hidey bag?  Please return it in the next post.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

Newp!!  I had a nice bonfire - all the hidey bags are gone.  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Poochy on March 30, 2009, 02:47:39 PM

Well, well, well, so POOCHY has finally made it on your 'who can we bash next' checklist.   ::MonkeyDance:: 

I have always been interested in what the codetalkers had to say. Most of my posts are over on that thread. And YES I am very interested in what CAPS had to say, as well as what other posters (well, most other posters) have to say.

Is it a crime to read forum pages on which I am a member? Would it please you more if I logged in as "Guest" the next time I read SM?

We are all looking for Natalee in our own way. Everyone on this board wants closure for this family. Unfortunately a handful here have chosen to tear apart posters while playing armchair detective so much that posters are leaving this forum.  Is that your intention?   

Why are you so cruel to posters who dedicate time out of their lives to search for clues into her disappearance? So I don't believe some fuzzy, grainy crab trap internet pictures. Is that a crime in your book? Hey,  I don't quote your posts and bash them - I just merely scroll past the tomes of repetitive crab trap and Kyle/Caps bashing posts that have been on here month after month ad nauseum.   ::MonkeyLaugh::
 
"...Unless I missed something that a professional said, like Greta, on national tv said that Natalee's remains were definitely in that trap, then I will believe it, but until then, to me it is just another theory. Nobody knows.


Poochy

I never once read where you upheld Kermit when that "cruel" Frog thread existed at GM ... a thread created because she dared to expose Kyle Kingman's own words that imply that John Silvetti participated with the Arubans in furthering the coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing since for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005.

Actually ... I have never read where you have upheld any of the Monkeys who have been bashed and mocked in the Natalee Holloway threads at GM.

The Frog thread is gone from the site and ... many of the dispicable posts have been deleted.  However ... never fear ... all has been saved for safe keeping on Tamikosmom's hard drive.

From this day forward ... if one Gold Monkey accuses any Scared Monkey of being cruel ... of hurting feelings ... I am ready to start cutting and pasting.

Janet



Poochy..Do you believe CapsLockWizard.Yes or No..Very simple!TIA

I beleive IN CapsLockWizard. Yes, it is very simple. I thought my post that you keep quoting explained how I felt about Caps as a poster.

Caps would post many theories as he tried to untangle the many codetalkers prose. Detangling codetalker prose is not something you can do in one day. So depending on what codetalker prose he read and deciphered, he'd go in that direction and post - to put feelers out to see how others reacted. What a "normal" poster would do. Caps is trying to find where Natalee could have been buried. So YES, I agree with what Caps is doing 100%. I didn't agree with all he posted but enjoyed reading his posts. Is that a crime?   

And NO - I don't agree at all about the crab trap. Like I stated in my earlier post, I believe news about the crab trap when I see it on TV or professionals tell me that she was in that crab trap. I cannot believe something from a fuzzy internet pic, sorry.

And since when are posters FORCED to take sides? Yes or No? My goodness. And why am I supposed to uphold a Frog or any other SM poster on another board? If I don't like your post I scroll on by. If I like your post I want to post more with you. That's my rule. I live in the land of the free - I have my own opinions and can state my own opinions, and did not know I was supposed to make friends with everybody. Geesh, I find this all so ludicrous, so childish.

I stand with Natalee - nobody else.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 02:54:19 PM

Well, well, well, so POOCHY has finally made it on your 'who can we bash next' checklist.   ::MonkeyDance:: 

I have always been interested in what the codetalkers had to say. Most of my posts are over on that thread. And YES I am very interested in what CAPS had to say, as well as what other posters (well, most other posters) have to say.

Is it a crime to read forum pages on which I am a member? Would it please you more if I logged in as "Guest" the next time I read SM?

We are all looking for Natalee in our own way. Everyone on this board wants closure for this family. Unfortunately a handful here have chosen to tear apart posters while playing armchair detective so much that posters are leaving this forum.  Is that your intention?   

Why are you so cruel to posters who dedicate time out of their lives to search for clues into her disappearance? So I don't believe some fuzzy, grainy crab trap internet pictures. Is that a crime in your book? Hey,  I don't quote your posts and bash them - I just merely scroll past the tomes of repetitive crab trap and Kyle/Caps bashing posts that have been on here month after month ad nauseum.   ::MonkeyLaugh::
 
"...Unless I missed something that a professional said, like Greta, on national tv said that Natalee's remains were definitely in that trap, then I will believe it, but until then, to me it is just another theory. Nobody knows.


Poochy

I never once read where you upheld Kermit when that "cruel" Frog thread existed at GM ... a thread created because she dared to expose Kyle Kingman's own words that imply that John Silvetti participated with the Arubans in furthering the coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing since for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005.

Actually ... I have never read where you have upheld any of the Monkeys who have been bashed and mocked in the Natalee Holloway threads at GM.

The Frog thread is gone from the site and ... many of the dispicable posts have been deleted.  However ... never fear ... all has been saved for safe keeping on Tamikosmom's hard drive.

From this day forward ... if one Gold Monkey accuses any Scared Monkey of being cruel ... of hurting feelings ... I am ready to start cutting and pasting.

Janet



Poochy..Do you believe CapsLockWizard.Yes or No..Very simple!TIA

I beleive IN CapsLockWizard. Yes, it is very simple.  I thought my post that you keep quoting explained how I felt about Caps as a poster.

Caps would post many theories as he tried to untangle the many codetalkers prose. Detangling codetalker prose is not something you can do in one day. So depending on what codetalker prose he read and deciphered, he'd go in that direction and post - to put feelers out to see how others reacted. What a "normal" poster would do. Caps is trying to find where Natalee could have been buried. So YES, I agree with what Caps is doing 100%. I didn't agree with all he posted but enjoyed reading his posts. Is that a crime?   

And NO - I don't agree at all about the crab trap. Like I stated in my earlier post, I believe news about the crab trap when I see it on TV or professionals tell me that she was in that crab trap. I cannot believe something from a fuzzy internet pic, sorry.

And since when are posters FORCED to take sides? Yes or No? My goodness. And why am I supposed to uphold a Frog or any other SM poster on another board? If I don't like your post I scroll on by. If I like your post I want to post more with you. That's my rule. I live in the land of the free - I have my own opinions and can state my own opinions, and did not know I was supposed to make friends with everybody. Geesh, I find this all so ludicrous, so childish.

I stand with Natalee - nobody else.

Thank You Poochy.I do appreciate you clarifying you believe in CapsLockWizard..I believe many Monkey's have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt what CapsLockWizard represents..DISINFORMATION..If you choose to believe in that,it is your right..Again.Thank You for the clarification. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 30, 2009, 02:55:02 PM
This is a post from Daphne/Poochy at GM in the code talkers thread.

I found it very telling.



I spent the past few days emailing my buddies back and forth (they do not belong to this board but are Christians, and for years in search of the truth to Natalee's disappearance as all of us are).

We found this:

http://www.apfn.org/APFN/oz.htm

And we collected pages upon pages of shango related themes to this site. Including the 'answer lies on the whispering wind".. Led Zep's Stairway to Heaven...Monarch slaves are taught to “follow the yellow brick road...

"...No matter what fearful things lie ahead, the Monarch slave must follow the Yellow Brick Road which is set out before them by their master. For some slaves used as track stars, their Yellow Brick Road was the track they had to run. The Yellow Brick Road is the runway in which alters were trained to fly off from to exit their internal world and take the body. The Yellow Brick Road also pertains to the assignment that an alter is given. To follow the Yellow Brick Road is to go down the road that has been assigned by command. The Yellow Brick Road programming is placed into the child’s mind via the Yellow Brick Road of the Wizard of Oz story. Remember the key words, “Follow the Yellow Brick Road.” To get someone onto the Yellow Brick Road you must know the access code to get them through the poppy field. The color codes are important to get an alter through the field of poppies.

“Fiddler” is important word to get to the yellow brick road (it signifies the programmer in the context of “the
programmer is here, go over the rainbow”) and then the alters eat what is variously called MUSIC or a SCRIPT or A LETTER which are words meaning “instructions.” In the 1900 edition of the book on page 3 1-32 says (programming cues are in raps), “She closed the door, locked it, and put the KEY carefully in the pocket of her dress. And so, with Toto trotting along soberly behind her, SHE STARTED ON HER JOURNEY. THERE WERE SEVERAL ROADS NEAR BY, BUT IT DID NOT TAKE HER LONG TO FIND THE ONE PAVED WITH YELLOW BRICK"

If you get a chance to read the OZ html page on afpn (link is above).  Those who studied codetalker prose for many years will see alot of correlations to it. Is this where Shango was leading us?

- What adult still needs the Wiz of Oz theme in there lives at 18 years old? Not my kids even at 14/15.
-  Who's mother would be associated with John Ramsey, who's own daughter was murdered on a satanic high holiday?
- Who's mother would be associated with Bo Dietl, handler for Johnny Gosch?
-  Who's mother and step-father would smile as they came out of the masonic looking alto vista church in the pitch black of night, and then return back into the cab (or so it was reported??)
- Dompig said Jug walks in Cheney circle of friends- and said  that is the "CLUE"
- Google Cheney and Cathy O'Brian
- Google Johnny Gosch
- Google Johnny Gosch and Bo Dietl
- Hidden in plain site is witness protection plan.
- the answers are all there on the internet, just like Charles Croes said they would be. He said there wre "far reaching implications, some not easy to handle..." but they are all there.

This is a satanic world we live in folks. Filled with satanic symbolism, filled with satanic worship. Most of us are not aware of what is going on in the world. Ask God to open up your eyes. We are indeed living in the latter days.

It is real, animal and human sacrifices are very real. Google bohemian club and alex jones. See the 'effigy of care' being 'burned' - being 'offered' to the giant owl/molach. Our own presidents are there for crying out loud!

Can someone tell me about the warehouse Beth and Jug used to go to, with their MB buddies? On a private site I recall reading they had this warehouse and used to go there weekly...and that they also used to re-decorate it every month. Why I ask? Because I want to know what types of rituals were taking place there, that's why. And who were the folks that initially flew down with beth and jug? Anybody know?

My loyalty is with Natalee, not her parents (although I find Dave more believable...) Just setting the record straight that's all.

Also on this private site I recall a poster stating there was a 'dark side' to Natalee. Did we just find out what that 'dark side' might be? Is it dabbling in the occult? Satinism? Anybody know?

Why did the chaperone wait until the kids were up in the air on the airplane tbefore he notified authorites Natalee was missing?

Feast of St. John (anybody want an alibi from St. John??) Google it, but make sure it is the "Feast of St. John the Baptist".. which takes place in June.. The feast... light the fires, the decpaitated head to wash up on shore..." The 'key' that is SCREAMING to be heard.

It is all there folks. It is giving me the creeps finding it and I have only posted 1/1000 of what we have found. My brain and heart cannot wrap around the other 999% of it.

Project Monarch is very real. Google on...



 







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 30, 2009, 02:55:05 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 30, 2009, 02:56:01 PM
Greta Blew It !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She Had The Sporter Spinning In His Lies & Not Once

Did She Counter His Claims With Good Questions ..........



 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 30, 2009, 02:57:19 PM
Too Many Long Posts To Read .........

I Need Evelyn Wood .............



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 30, 2009, 02:59:27 PM
If Y'all Want Peace Of Mind ..........

Pay Your Neighborhood Sicko To Get You Your Answers ...........



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 30, 2009, 03:07:03 PM
This is a post from Daphne/Poochy at GM in the code talkers thread.

I found it very telling.



I spent the past few days emailing my buddies back and forth (they do not belong to this board but are Christians, and for years in search of the truth to Natalee's disappearance as all of us are).

We found this:

http://www.apfn.org/APFN/oz.htm

And we collected pages upon pages of shango related themes to this site. Including the 'answer lies on the whispering wind".. Led Zep's Stairway to Heaven...Monarch slaves are taught to “follow the yellow brick road...

"...No matter what fearful things lie ahead, the Monarch slave must follow the Yellow Brick Road which is set out before them by their master. For some slaves used as track stars, their Yellow Brick Road was the track they had to run. The Yellow Brick Road is the runway in which alters were trained to fly off from to exit their internal world and take the body. The Yellow Brick Road also pertains to the assignment that an alter is given. To follow the Yellow Brick Road is to go down the road that has been assigned by command. The Yellow Brick Road programming is placed into the child’s mind via the Yellow Brick Road of the Wizard of Oz story. Remember the key words, “Follow the Yellow Brick Road.” To get someone onto the Yellow Brick Road you must know the access code to get them through the poppy field. The color codes are important to get an alter through the field of poppies.

“Fiddler” is important word to get to the yellow brick road (it signifies the programmer in the context of “the
programmer is here, go over the rainbow”) and then the alters eat what is variously called MUSIC or a SCRIPT or A LETTER which are words meaning “instructions.” In the 1900 edition of the book on page 3 1-32 says (programming cues are in raps), “She closed the door, locked it, and put the KEY carefully in the pocket of her dress. And so, with Toto trotting along soberly behind her, SHE STARTED ON HER JOURNEY. THERE WERE SEVERAL ROADS NEAR BY, BUT IT DID NOT TAKE HER LONG TO FIND THE ONE PAVED WITH YELLOW BRICK"

If you get a chance to read the OZ html page on afpn (link is above).  Those who studied codetalker prose for many years will see alot of correlations to it. Is this where Shango was leading us?

- What adult still needs the Wiz of Oz theme in there lives at 18 years old? Not my kids even at 14/15.
-  Who's mother would be associated with John Ramsey, who's own daughter was murdered on a satanic high holiday?
- Who's mother would be associated with Bo Dietl, handler for Johnny Gosch?
-  Who's mother and step-father would smile as they came out of the masonic looking alto vista church in the pitch black of night, and then return back into the cab (or so it was reported??)
- Dompig said Jug walks in Cheney circle of friends- and said  that is the "CLUE"
- Google Cheney and Cathy O'Brian
- Google Johnny Gosch
- Google Johnny Gosch and Bo Dietl
- Hidden in plain site is witness protection plan.
- the answers are all there on the internet, just like Charles Croes said they would be. He said there wre "far reaching implications, some not easy to handle..." but they are all there.

This is a satanic world we live in folks. Filled with satanic symbolism, filled with satanic worship. Most of us are not aware of what is going on in the world. Ask God to open up your eyes. We are indeed living in the latter days.

It is real, animal and human sacrifices are very real. Google bohemian club and alex jones. See the 'effigy of care' being 'burned' - being 'offered' to the giant owl/molach. Our own presidents are there for crying out loud!

Can someone tell me about the warehouse Beth and Jug used to go to, with their MB buddies? On a private site I recall reading they had this warehouse and used to go there weekly...and that they also used to re-decorate it every month. Why I ask? Because I want to know what types of rituals were taking place there, that's why. And who were the folks that initially flew down with beth and jug? Anybody know?

My loyalty is with Natalee, not her parents (although I find Dave more believable...) Just setting the record straight that's all.

Also on this private site I recall a poster stating there was a 'dark side' to Natalee. Did we just find out what that 'dark side' might be? Is it dabbling in the occult? Satinism? Anybody know?

Why did the chaperone wait until the kids were up in the air on the airplane tbefore he notified authorites Natalee was missing?

Feast of St. John (anybody want an alibi from St. John??) Google it, but make sure it is the "Feast of St. John the Baptist".. which takes place in June.. The feast... light the fires, the decpaitated head to wash up on shore..." The 'key' that is SCREAMING to be heard.

It is all there folks. It is giving me the creeps finding it and I have only posted 1/1000 of what we have found. My brain and heart cannot wrap around the other 999% of it.

Project Monarch is very real. Google on...



 








WoW. . . . just wow.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

That does explain a lot of things, however.


 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 03:08:03 PM
Keepthefaith, Kermit, Tamikosmom, Magnolia, ksl, adoronron, Lifesong, wreck, BoxerDawg, oldiebutgoodie, jen3560, 2NJSons_Mom, SuzieQ, hotping, carolinamom, camochance and 15 Guests are viewing this topic.


Welcome Monkey's ...Anything to ADD Adoronron???

Keepthefaith

Unless his/her position has changed ... I do believe that adoronron said it all in the following post.

Janet

+++++


adoronron
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
« Reply #143 on: December 31, 2008, 05:52:55 PM »


Mum,

I pop on every few days to catch up. I used to get involved with the discussions but for some time now, it seems to me, not much headway is being made. And I think the reason is the diversions that occur. It's as if someone or several people are watching SM and every so often they determine SM is on to something and they implement a diversion. Whoever he, she, or they are, they must be very satisfied with their most recent endeavor what with all the terse posts of late among the SMer's.

I agree with your comment "As far as I can see this cage business is the diversion".

My own opinion is; No body no case + incinerator operator suicide = no body. JMO

Ado

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4328.msg605405#msg605405

Again..No answer... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Keepthefaith,

I don't have time to follow along as much as I used. I visit just a few times a week and read a few pages.
I don't have anything to add.
Is there some particular point you want my opinion on?

Ado

BUMP..

Didn't know if you were still typing or just didn't want to answer ADO???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 30, 2009, 03:08:12 PM
This is a post from Daphne/Poochy at GM in the code talkers thread.

I found it very telling.



I spent the past few days emailing my buddies back and forth (they do not belong to this board but are Christians, and for years in search of the truth to Natalee's disappearance as all of us are).

We found this:

http://www.apfn.org/APFN/oz.htm

And we collected pages upon pages of shango related themes to this site. Including the 'answer lies on the whispering wind".. Led Zep's Stairway to Heaven...Monarch slaves are taught to “follow the yellow brick road...

"...No matter what fearful things lie ahead, the Monarch slave must follow the Yellow Brick Road which is set out before them by their master. For some slaves used as track stars, their Yellow Brick Road was the track they had to run. The Yellow Brick Road is the runway in which alters were trained to fly off from to exit their internal world and take the body. The Yellow Brick Road also pertains to the assignment that an alter is given. To follow the Yellow Brick Road is to go down the road that has been assigned by command. The Yellow Brick Road programming is placed into the child’s mind via the Yellow Brick Road of the Wizard of Oz story. Remember the key words, “Follow the Yellow Brick Road.” To get someone onto the Yellow Brick Road you must know the access code to get them through the poppy field. The color codes are important to get an alter through the field of poppies.

“Fiddler” is important word to get to the yellow brick road (it signifies the programmer in the context of “the
programmer is here, go over the rainbow”) and then the alters eat what is variously called MUSIC or a SCRIPT or A LETTER which are words meaning “instructions.” In the 1900 edition of the book on page 3 1-32 says (programming cues are in raps), “She closed the door, locked it, and put the KEY carefully in the pocket of her dress. And so, with Toto trotting along soberly behind her, SHE STARTED ON HER JOURNEY. THERE WERE SEVERAL ROADS NEAR BY, BUT IT DID NOT TAKE HER LONG TO FIND THE ONE PAVED WITH YELLOW BRICK"

If you get a chance to read the OZ html page on afpn (link is above).  Those who studied codetalker prose for many years will see alot of correlations to it. Is this where Shango was leading us?

- What adult still needs the Wiz of Oz theme in there lives at 18 years old? Not my kids even at 14/15.
-  Who's mother would be associated with John Ramsey, who's own daughter was murdered on a satanic high holiday?
- Who's mother would be associated with Bo Dietl, handler for Johnny Gosch?
-  Who's mother and step-father would smile as they came out of the masonic looking alto vista church in the pitch black of night, and then return back into the cab (or so it was reported??)
- Dompig said Jug walks in Cheney circle of friends- and said  that is the "CLUE"
- Google Cheney and Cathy O'Brian
- Google Johnny Gosch
- Google Johnny Gosch and Bo Dietl
- Hidden in plain site is witness protection plan.
- the answers are all there on the internet, just like Charles Croes said they would be. He said there wre "far reaching implications, some not easy to handle..." but they are all there.

This is a satanic world we live in folks. Filled with satanic symbolism, filled with satanic worship. Most of us are not aware of what is going on in the world. Ask God to open up your eyes. We are indeed living in the latter days.

It is real, animal and human sacrifices are very real. Google bohemian club and alex jones. See the 'effigy of care' being 'burned' - being 'offered' to the giant owl/molach. Our own presidents are there for crying out loud!

Can someone tell me about the warehouse Beth and Jug used to go to, with their MB buddies? On a private site I recall reading they had this warehouse and used to go there weekly...and that they also used to re-decorate it every month. Why I ask? Because I want to know what types of rituals were taking place there, that's why. And who were the folks that initially flew down with beth and jug? Anybody know?

My loyalty is with Natalee, not her parents (although I find Dave more believable...) Just setting the record straight that's all.

Also on this private site I recall a poster stating there was a 'dark side' to Natalee. Did we just find out what that 'dark side' might be? Is it dabbling in the occult? Satinism? Anybody know?

Why did the chaperone wait until the kids were up in the air on the airplane tbefore he notified authorites Natalee was missing?

Feast of St. John (anybody want an alibi from St. John??) Google it, but make sure it is the "Feast of St. John the Baptist".. which takes place in June.. The feast... light the fires, the decpaitated head to wash up on shore..." The 'key' that is SCREAMING to be heard.

It is all there folks. It is giving me the creeps finding it and I have only posted 1/1000 of what we have found. My brain and heart cannot wrap around the other 999% of it.

Project Monarch is very real. Google on...



 






OMG Magnolia...What I would like to see is any responses She got to this post over at GM... ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 03:09:27 PM

... And why am I supposed to uphold a Frog or any other SM poster on another board? If I don't like your post I scroll on by.


Poochie ... let me if I have this straight.

You do not feel the need to uphold SM's who are being disrespected at GM.  You just scroll by.

However ... you do feel inclined to uphold GMs who are being disrespected.

It appears to be a double standard.

Janet

+++++++



Why are you so cruel to posters who dedicate time out of their lives to search for clues into her disappearance?




Poochy

I never once read where you upheld Kermit when that "cruel" Frog thread existed at GM ... a thread created because she dared to expose Kyle Kingman's own words that imply that John Silvetti participated with the Arubans in furthering the coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing since for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005.

Actually ... I have never read where you have upheld any of the Monkeys who have been bashed and mocked in the Natalee Holloway threads at GM.

The Frog thread is gone from the site and ... many of the dispicable posts have been deleted.  However ... never fear ... all has been saved for safe keeping on Tamikosmom's hard drive.

From this day forward ... if one Gold Monkey accuses any Scared Monkey of being cruel ... of hurting feelings ... I am ready to start cutting and pasting.

Janet




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 03:13:10 PM
This is a post from Daphne/Poochy at GM in the code talkers thread.

I found it very telling.



I spent the past few days emailing my buddies back and forth (they do not belong to this board but are Christians, and for years in search of the truth to Natalee's disappearance as all of us are).

We found this:

http://www.apfn.org/APFN/oz.htm

And we collected pages upon pages of shango related themes to this site. Including the 'answer lies on the whispering wind".. Led Zep's Stairway to Heaven...Monarch slaves are taught to “follow the yellow brick road...

"...No matter what fearful things lie ahead, the Monarch slave must follow the Yellow Brick Road which is set out before them by their master. For some slaves used as track stars, their Yellow Brick Road was the track they had to run. The Yellow Brick Road is the runway in which alters were trained to fly off from to exit their internal world and take the body. The Yellow Brick Road also pertains to the assignment that an alter is given. To follow the Yellow Brick Road is to go down the road that has been assigned by command. The Yellow Brick Road programming is placed into the child’s mind via the Yellow Brick Road of the Wizard of Oz story. Remember the key words, “Follow the Yellow Brick Road.” To get someone onto the Yellow Brick Road you must know the access code to get them through the poppy field. The color codes are important to get an alter through the field of poppies.

“Fiddler” is important word to get to the yellow brick road (it signifies the programmer in the context of “the
programmer is here, go over the rainbow”) and then the alters eat what is variously called MUSIC or a SCRIPT or A LETTER which are words meaning “instructions.” In the 1900 edition of the book on page 3 1-32 says (programming cues are in raps), “She closed the door, locked it, and put the KEY carefully in the pocket of her dress. And so, with Toto trotting along soberly behind her, SHE STARTED ON HER JOURNEY. THERE WERE SEVERAL ROADS NEAR BY, BUT IT DID NOT TAKE HER LONG TO FIND THE ONE PAVED WITH YELLOW BRICK"

If you get a chance to read the OZ html page on afpn (link is above).  Those who studied codetalker prose for many years will see alot of correlations to it. Is this where Shango was leading us?

- What adult still needs the Wiz of Oz theme in there lives at 18 years old? Not my kids even at 14/15.
-  Who's mother would be associated with John Ramsey, who's own daughter was murdered on a satanic high holiday?
- Who's mother would be associated with Bo Dietl, handler for Johnny Gosch?
-  Who's mother and step-father would smile as they came out of the masonic looking alto vista church in the pitch black of night, and then return back into the cab (or so it was reported??)
- Dompig said Jug walks in Cheney circle of friends- and said  that is the "CLUE"
- Google Cheney and Cathy O'Brian
- Google Johnny Gosch
- Google Johnny Gosch and Bo Dietl
- Hidden in plain site is witness protection plan.
- the answers are all there on the internet, just like Charles Croes said they would be. He said there wre "far reaching implications, some not easy to handle..." but they are all there.

This is a satanic world we live in folks. Filled with satanic symbolism, filled with satanic worship. Most of us are not aware of what is going on in the world. Ask God to open up your eyes. We are indeed living in the latter days.

It is real, animal and human sacrifices are very real. Google bohemian club and alex jones. See the 'effigy of care' being 'burned' - being 'offered' to the giant owl/molach. Our own presidents are there for crying out loud!

Can someone tell me about the warehouse Beth and Jug used to go to, with their MB buddies? On a private site I recall reading they had this warehouse and used to go there weekly...and that they also used to re-decorate it every month. Why I ask? Because I want to know what types of rituals were taking place there, that's why. And who were the folks that initially flew down with beth and jug? Anybody know?

My loyalty is with Natalee, not her parents (although I find Dave more believable...) Just setting the record straight that's all.

Also on this private site I recall a poster stating there was a 'dark side' to Natalee. Did we just find out what that 'dark side' might be? Is it dabbling in the occult? Satinism? Anybody know?

Why did the chaperone wait until the kids were up in the air on the airplane tbefore he notified authorites Natalee was missing?

Feast of St. John (anybody want an alibi from St. John??) Google it, but make sure it is the "Feast of St. John the Baptist".. which takes place in June.. The feast... light the fires, the decpaitated head to wash up on shore..." The 'key' that is SCREAMING to be heard.

It is all there folks. It is giving me the creeps finding it and I have only posted 1/1000 of what we have found. My brain and heart cannot wrap around the other 999% of it.

Project Monarch is very real. Google on...


 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 03:16:05 PM
Janet - I have never seen a video of that show with Jossy giving the witness' name.

Thanks Jen.

OK ... where is my hidey bag?  Please return it in the next post.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

Newp!!  I had a nice bonfire - all the hidey bags are gone.  ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

You had no right!!  You may have a death wish but ...

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 03:17:17 PM
Off for the afternoon Monkeys.

I hope all are having a good day.

Janet
12:20 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 30, 2009, 03:17:40 PM
All Monkeys .........

Get Up Out Of Your Chairs ...........

Go Over To The Window ..........

OPen It Wide & Shout ..............

I'm Sick & Tired Of This Shit ..........

& I'm Not Going To Take It Anymore ..........



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 30, 2009, 03:18:20 PM
Off for the afternoon Monkeys.

I hope all are having a good day.

Janet
12:20 PM PT

Go Play Tennis ...........



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: San on March 30, 2009, 03:20:01 PM
All Monkeys .........

Get Up Out Of Your Chairs ...........

Go Over To The Window ..........

OPen It Wide & Shout ..............

I'm Sick & Tired Of This Shit ..........

& I'm Not Going To Take It Anymore ..........



 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 30, 2009, 03:20:52 PM
All Monkeys .........

Get Up Out Of Your Chairs ...........

Go Over To The Window ..........

OPen It Wide & Shout ..............

I'm Sick & Tired Of This Shit ..........

& I'm Not Going To Take It Anymore ..........


  ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 03:20:58 PM
This is a post from Daphne/Poochy at GM in the code talkers thread.

I found it very telling.



I spent the past few days emailing my buddies back and forth (they do not belong to this board but are Christians, and for years in search of the truth to Natalee's disappearance as all of us are).

We found this:

http://www.apfn.org/APFN/oz.htm

And we collected pages upon pages of shango related themes to this site. Including the 'answer lies on the whispering wind".. Led Zep's Stairway to Heaven...Monarch slaves are taught to “follow the yellow brick road...

"...No matter what fearful things lie ahead, the Monarch slave must follow the Yellow Brick Road which is set out before them by their master. For some slaves used as track stars, their Yellow Brick Road was the track they had to run. The Yellow Brick Road is the runway in which alters were trained to fly off from to exit their internal world and take the body. The Yellow Brick Road also pertains to the assignment that an alter is given. To follow the Yellow Brick Road is to go down the road that has been assigned by command. The Yellow Brick Road programming is placed into the child’s mind via the Yellow Brick Road of the Wizard of Oz story. Remember the key words, “Follow the Yellow Brick Road.” To get someone onto the Yellow Brick Road you must know the access code to get them through the poppy field. The color codes are important to get an alter through the field of poppies.

“Fiddler” is important word to get to the yellow brick road (it signifies the programmer in the context of “the
programmer is here, go over the rainbow”) and then the alters eat what is variously called MUSIC or a SCRIPT or A LETTER which are words meaning “instructions.” In the 1900 edition of the book on page 3 1-32 says (programming cues are in raps), “She closed the door, locked it, and put the KEY carefully in the pocket of her dress. And so, with Toto trotting along soberly behind her, SHE STARTED ON HER JOURNEY. THERE WERE SEVERAL ROADS NEAR BY, BUT IT DID NOT TAKE HER LONG TO FIND THE ONE PAVED WITH YELLOW BRICK"

If you get a chance to read the OZ html page on afpn (link is above).  Those who studied codetalker prose for many years will see alot of correlations to it. Is this where Shango was leading us?

- What adult still needs the Wiz of Oz theme in there lives at 18 years old? Not my kids even at 14/15.
-  Who's mother would be associated with John Ramsey, who's own daughter was murdered on a satanic high holiday?
- Who's mother would be associated with Bo Dietl, handler for Johnny Gosch?
-  Who's mother and step-father would smile as they came out of the masonic looking alto vista church in the pitch black of night, and then return back into the cab (or so it was reported??)
- Dompig said Jug walks in Cheney circle of friends- and said  that is the "CLUE"
- Google Cheney and Cathy O'Brian
- Google Johnny Gosch
- Google Johnny Gosch and Bo Dietl
- Hidden in plain site is witness protection plan.
- the answers are all there on the internet, just like Charles Croes said they would be. He said there wre "far reaching implications, some not easy to handle..." but they are all there.

This is a satanic world we live in folks. Filled with satanic symbolism, filled with satanic worship. Most of us are not aware of what is going on in the world. Ask God to open up your eyes. We are indeed living in the latter days.

It is real, animal and human sacrifices are very real. Google bohemian club and alex jones. See the 'effigy of care' being 'burned' - being 'offered' to the giant owl/molach. Our own presidents are there for crying out loud!

Can someone tell me about the warehouse Beth and Jug used to go to, with their MB buddies? On a private site I recall reading they had this warehouse and used to go there weekly...and that they also used to re-decorate it every month. Why I ask? Because I want to know what types of rituals were taking place there, that's why. And who were the folks that initially flew down with beth and jug? Anybody know?

My loyalty is with Natalee, not her parents (although I find Dave more believable...) Just setting the record straight that's all.

Also on this private site I recall a poster stating there was a 'dark side' to Natalee. Did we just find out what that 'dark side' might be? Is it dabbling in the occult? Satinism? Anybody know?

Why did the chaperone wait until the kids were up in the air on the airplane tbefore he notified authorites Natalee was missing?

Feast of St. John (anybody want an alibi from St. John??) Google it, but make sure it is the "Feast of St. John the Baptist".. which takes place in June.. The feast... light the fires, the decpaitated head to wash up on shore..." The 'key' that is SCREAMING to be heard.

It is all there folks. It is giving me the creeps finding it and I have only posted 1/1000 of what we have found. My brain and heart cannot wrap around the other 999% of it.

Project Monarch is very real. Google on...



 







Magnolia..Are those highlighted portions Poochy's own words??TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 30, 2009, 03:21:49 PM
See Ya Later Monkeys....BBL!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 30, 2009, 03:25:38 PM
This is a post from Daphne/Poochy at GM in the code talkers thread.

I found it very telling.



I spent the past few days emailing my buddies back and forth (they do not belong to this board but are Christians, and for years in search of the truth to Natalee's disappearance as all of us are).

We found this:

http://www.apfn.org/APFN/oz.htm

And we collected pages upon pages of shango related themes to this site. Including the 'answer lies on the whispering wind".. Led Zep's Stairway to Heaven...Monarch slaves are taught to “follow the yellow brick road...

"...No matter what fearful things lie ahead, the Monarch slave must follow the Yellow Brick Road which is set out before them by their master. For some slaves used as track stars, their Yellow Brick Road was the track they had to run. The Yellow Brick Road is the runway in which alters were trained to fly off from to exit their internal world and take the body. The Yellow Brick Road also pertains to the assignment that an alter is given. To follow the Yellow Brick Road is to go down the road that has been assigned by command. The Yellow Brick Road programming is placed into the child’s mind via the Yellow Brick Road of the Wizard of Oz story. Remember the key words, “Follow the Yellow Brick Road.” To get someone onto the Yellow Brick Road you must know the access code to get them through the poppy field. The color codes are important to get an alter through the field of poppies.

“Fiddler” is important word to get to the yellow brick road (it signifies the programmer in the context of “the
programmer is here, go over the rainbow”) and then the alters eat what is variously called MUSIC or a SCRIPT or A LETTER which are words meaning “instructions.” In the 1900 edition of the book on page 3 1-32 says (programming cues are in raps), “She closed the door, locked it, and put the KEY carefully in the pocket of her dress. And so, with Toto trotting along soberly behind her, SHE STARTED ON HER JOURNEY. THERE WERE SEVERAL ROADS NEAR BY, BUT IT DID NOT TAKE HER LONG TO FIND THE ONE PAVED WITH YELLOW BRICK"

If you get a chance to read the OZ html page on afpn (link is above).  Those who studied codetalker prose for many years will see alot of correlations to it. Is this where Shango was leading us?

- What adult still needs the Wiz of Oz theme in there lives at 18 years old? Not my kids even at 14/15.
-  Who's mother would be associated with John Ramsey, who's own daughter was murdered on a satanic high holiday?
- Who's mother would be associated with Bo Dietl, handler for Johnny Gosch?
-  Who's mother and step-father would smile as they came out of the masonic looking alto vista church in the pitch black of night, and then return back into the cab (or so it was reported??)
- Dompig said Jug walks in Cheney circle of friends- and said  that is the "CLUE"
- Google Cheney and Cathy O'Brian
- Google Johnny Gosch
- Google Johnny Gosch and Bo Dietl
- Hidden in plain site is witness protection plan.
- the answers are all there on the internet, just like Charles Croes said they would be. He said there wre "far reaching implications, some not easy to handle..." but they are all there.

This is a satanic world we live in folks. Filled with satanic symbolism, filled with satanic worship. Most of us are not aware of what is going on in the world. Ask God to open up your eyes. We are indeed living in the latter days.

It is real, animal and human sacrifices are very real. Google bohemian club and alex jones. See the 'effigy of care' being 'burned' - being 'offered' to the giant owl/molach. Our own presidents are there for crying out loud!

Can someone tell me about the warehouse Beth and Jug used to go to, with their MB buddies? On a private site I recall reading they had this warehouse and used to go there weekly...and that they also used to re-decorate it every month. Why I ask? Because I want to know what types of rituals were taking place there, that's why. And who were the folks that initially flew down with beth and jug? Anybody know?

My loyalty is with Natalee, not her parents (although I find Dave more believable...) Just setting the record straight that's all.

Also on this private site I recall a poster stating there was a 'dark side' to Natalee. Did we just find out what that 'dark side' might be? Is it dabbling in the occult? Satinism? Anybody know?

Why did the chaperone wait until the kids were up in the air on the airplane tbefore he notified authorites Natalee was missing?

Feast of St. John (anybody want an alibi from St. John??) Google it, but make sure it is the "Feast of St. John the Baptist".. which takes place in June.. The feast... light the fires, the decpaitated head to wash up on shore..." The 'key' that is SCREAMING to be heard.

It is all there folks. It is giving me the creeps finding it and I have only posted 1/1000 of what we have found. My brain and heart cannot wrap around the other 999% of it.

Project Monarch is very real. Google on...



 







Magnolia..Are those highlighted portions Poochy's own words??TIA


We Had The Code Talkers Here Among Us & We Choose

To Cast Them Aside ............. Remember Back When ........


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 03:27:39 PM
My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth.  I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

So POOCHY/DAPHNE, now that I understand how you feel I don't think I can tolerate seeing your posts here.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 03:29:23 PM
All Monkeys .........

Get Up Out Of Your Chairs ...........

Go Over To The Window ..........

OPen It Wide & Shout ..............

I'm Sick & Tired Of This Shit ..........

& I'm Not Going To Take It Anymore ..........



I tried that Widget..the only thing that happened was??I lost my voice! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 30, 2009, 03:30:15 PM
This is a post from Daphne/Poochy at GM in the code talkers thread.

I found it very telling.



I spent the past few days emailing my buddies back and forth (they do not belong to this board but are Christians, and for years in search of the truth to Natalee's disappearance as all of us are).

We found this:

http://www.apfn.org/APFN/oz.htm

And we collected pages upon pages of shango related themes to this site. Including the 'answer lies on the whispering wind".. Led Zep's Stairway to Heaven...Monarch slaves are taught to “follow the yellow brick road...

"...No matter what fearful things lie ahead, the Monarch slave must follow the Yellow Brick Road which is set out before them by their master. For some slaves used as track stars, their Yellow Brick Road was the track they had to run. The Yellow Brick Road is the runway in which alters were trained to fly off from to exit their internal world and take the body. The Yellow Brick Road also pertains to the assignment that an alter is given. To follow the Yellow Brick Road is to go down the road that has been assigned by command. The Yellow Brick Road programming is placed into the child’s mind via the Yellow Brick Road of the Wizard of Oz story. Remember the key words, “Follow the Yellow Brick Road.” To get someone onto the Yellow Brick Road you must know the access code to get them through the poppy field. The color codes are important to get an alter through the field of poppies.

“Fiddler” is important word to get to the yellow brick road (it signifies the programmer in the context of “the
programmer is here, go over the rainbow”) and then the alters eat what is variously called MUSIC or a SCRIPT or A LETTER which are words meaning “instructions.” In the 1900 edition of the book on page 3 1-32 says (programming cues are in raps), “She closed the door, locked it, and put the KEY carefully in the pocket of her dress. And so, with Toto trotting along soberly behind her, SHE STARTED ON HER JOURNEY. THERE WERE SEVERAL ROADS NEAR BY, BUT IT DID NOT TAKE HER LONG TO FIND THE ONE PAVED WITH YELLOW BRICK"

If you get a chance to read the OZ html page on afpn (link is above).  Those who studied codetalker prose for many years will see alot of correlations to it. Is this where Shango was leading us?

- What adult still needs the Wiz of Oz theme in there lives at 18 years old? Not my kids even at 14/15.
-  Who's mother would be associated with John Ramsey, who's own daughter was murdered on a satanic high holiday?
- Who's mother would be associated with Bo Dietl, handler for Johnny Gosch?
-  Who's mother and step-father would smile as they came out of the masonic looking alto vista church in the pitch black of night, and then return back into the cab (or so it was reported??)
- Dompig said Jug walks in Cheney circle of friends- and said  that is the "CLUE"
- Google Cheney and Cathy O'Brian
- Google Johnny Gosch
- Google Johnny Gosch and Bo Dietl
- Hidden in plain site is witness protection plan.
- the answers are all there on the internet, just like Charles Croes said they would be. He said there wre "far reaching implications, some not easy to handle..." but they are all there.

This is a satanic world we live in folks. Filled with satanic symbolism, filled with satanic worship. Most of us are not aware of what is going on in the world. Ask God to open up your eyes. We are indeed living in the latter days.

It is real, animal and human sacrifices are very real. Google bohemian club and alex jones. See the 'effigy of care' being 'burned' - being 'offered' to the giant owl/molach. Our own presidents are there for crying out loud!

Can someone tell me about the warehouse Beth and Jug used to go to, with their MB buddies? On a private site I recall reading they had this warehouse and used to go there weekly...and that they also used to re-decorate it every month. Why I ask? Because I want to know what types of rituals were taking place there, that's why. And who were the folks that initially flew down with beth and jug? Anybody know?

My loyalty is with Natalee, not her parents (although I find Dave more believable...) Just setting the record straight that's all.

Also on this private site I recall a poster stating there was a 'dark side' to Natalee. Did we just find out what that 'dark side' might be? Is it dabbling in the occult? Satinism? Anybody know?

Why did the chaperone wait until the kids were up in the air on the airplane tbefore he notified authorites Natalee was missing?

Feast of St. John (anybody want an alibi from St. John??) Google it, but make sure it is the "Feast of St. John the Baptist".. which takes place in June.. The feast... light the fires, the decpaitated head to wash up on shore..." The 'key' that is SCREAMING to be heard.

It is all there folks. It is giving me the creeps finding it and I have only posted 1/1000 of what we have found. My brain and heart cannot wrap around the other 999% of it.

Project Monarch is very real. Google on...



 







Magnolia..Are those highlighted portions Poochy's own words??TIA

Yes, KTF.  As far as I can tell the whole post is Poochy's words, except for the few phrases she
chose to put in quotes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 30, 2009, 03:30:31 PM
My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth.  I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

So POOCHY/DAPHNE, now that I understand how you feel I don't think I can tolerate seeing your posts here.



Amen To That Klaas ..........

What Was Dave Thinking Marrying That B**** ...........



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 03:32:45 PM
This is a post from Daphne/Poochy at GM in the code talkers thread.

I found it very telling.



I spent the past few days emailing my buddies back and forth (they do not belong to this board but are Christians, and for years in search of the truth to Natalee's disappearance as all of us are).

We found this:

http://www.apfn.org/APFN/oz.htm

And we collected pages upon pages of shango related themes to this site. Including the 'answer lies on the whispering wind".. Led Zep's Stairway to Heaven...Monarch slaves are taught to “follow the yellow brick road...

"...No matter what fearful things lie ahead, the Monarch slave must follow the Yellow Brick Road which is set out before them by their master. For some slaves used as track stars, their Yellow Brick Road was the track they had to run. The Yellow Brick Road is the runway in which alters were trained to fly off from to exit their internal world and take the body. The Yellow Brick Road also pertains to the assignment that an alter is given. To follow the Yellow Brick Road is to go down the road that has been assigned by command. The Yellow Brick Road programming is placed into the child’s mind via the Yellow Brick Road of the Wizard of Oz story. Remember the key words, “Follow the Yellow Brick Road.” To get someone onto the Yellow Brick Road you must know the access code to get them through the poppy field. The color codes are important to get an alter through the field of poppies.

“Fiddler” is important word to get to the yellow brick road (it signifies the programmer in the context of “the
programmer is here, go over the rainbow”) and then the alters eat what is variously called MUSIC or a SCRIPT or A LETTER which are words meaning “instructions.” In the 1900 edition of the book on page 3 1-32 says (programming cues are in raps), “She closed the door, locked it, and put the KEY carefully in the pocket of her dress. And so, with Toto trotting along soberly behind her, SHE STARTED ON HER JOURNEY. THERE WERE SEVERAL ROADS NEAR BY, BUT IT DID NOT TAKE HER LONG TO FIND THE ONE PAVED WITH YELLOW BRICK"

If you get a chance to read the OZ html page on afpn (link is above).  Those who studied codetalker prose for many years will see alot of correlations to it. Is this where Shango was leading us?

- What adult still needs the Wiz of Oz theme in there lives at 18 years old? Not my kids even at 14/15.
-  Who's mother would be associated with John Ramsey, who's own daughter was murdered on a satanic high holiday?
- Who's mother would be associated with Bo Dietl, handler for Johnny Gosch?
-  Who's mother and step-father would smile as they came out of the masonic looking alto vista church in the pitch black of night, and then return back into the cab (or so it was reported??)
- Dompig said Jug walks in Cheney circle of friends- and said  that is the "CLUE"
- Google Cheney and Cathy O'Brian
- Google Johnny Gosch
- Google Johnny Gosch and Bo Dietl
- Hidden in plain site is witness protection plan.
- the answers are all there on the internet, just like Charles Croes said they would be. He said there wre "far reaching implications, some not easy to handle..." but they are all there.

This is a satanic world we live in folks. Filled with satanic symbolism, filled with satanic worship. Most of us are not aware of what is going on in the world. Ask God to open up your eyes. We are indeed living in the latter days.

It is real, animal and human sacrifices are very real. Google bohemian club and alex jones. See the 'effigy of care' being 'burned' - being 'offered' to the giant owl/molach. Our own presidents are there for crying out loud!

Can someone tell me about the warehouse Beth and Jug used to go to, with their MB buddies? On a private site I recall reading they had this warehouse and used to go there weekly...and that they also used to re-decorate it every month. Why I ask? Because I want to know what types of rituals were taking place there, that's why. And who were the folks that initially flew down with beth and jug? Anybody know?

My loyalty is with Natalee, not her parents (although I find Dave more believable...) Just setting the record straight that's all.

Also on this private site I recall a poster stating there was a 'dark side' to Natalee. Did we just find out what that 'dark side' might be? Is it dabbling in the occult? Satinism? Anybody know?

Why did the chaperone wait until the kids were up in the air on the airplane tbefore he notified authorites Natalee was missing?

Feast of St. John (anybody want an alibi from St. John??) Google it, but make sure it is the "Feast of St. John the Baptist".. which takes place in June.. The feast... light the fires, the decpaitated head to wash up on shore..." The 'key' that is SCREAMING to be heard.

It is all there folks. It is giving me the creeps finding it and I have only posted 1/1000 of what we have found. My brain and heart cannot wrap around the other 999% of it.

Project Monarch is very real. Google on...



 







Magnolia..Are those highlighted portions Poochy's own words??TIA

Yes, KTF.  As far as I can tell the whole post is Poochy's words, except for the few phrases she
chose to put in quotes.

Thanx Magnolia..Very sickening if you ask me! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 30, 2009, 03:37:20 PM
Janet - I have never seen a video of that show with Jossy giving the witness' name.

Thanks Jen.

OK ... where is my hidey bag?  Please return it in the next post.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

Newp!!  I had a nice bonfire - all the hidey bags are gone.  ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

You had no right!!  You may have a death wish but ...

Janet

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 30, 2009, 03:37:28 PM
See Y'All Later .............

My Girls Just Arrived From School ..........

Have To Make Lunch ...........


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 30, 2009, 03:38:29 PM
This is a post from Daphne/Poochy at GM in the code talkers thread.

I found it very telling.


 



All I can say is...............................WHACKO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyConfused::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 30, 2009, 03:39:21 PM
This is a post from Daphne/Poochy at GM in the code talkers thread.

I found it very telling.


 








Whoopsie - messed up that quote.  KTF didn't call Poochy whacko, that was me.  ::MonkeyCool::

All I can say is...............................WHACKO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Rob on March 30, 2009, 03:39:47 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

KTF

Me has an open mind...and nothing would surprise me anymore.

this monkey is still absorbing info.
Prayers for Nat.

In my opinion,there is nothing to absorb from CapsLockWizard FOM...He's been nothing but a disinformation specialist and has done much harm to JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY...Again..JMOO

you know that, I know that, he knows that, and he knows WE know it.

by the way - where is the 50 year old unemployed system analyst / professor of logic?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on March 30, 2009, 03:41:25 PM
This is a post from Daphne/Poochy at GM in the code talkers thread.

I found it very telling.


 



All I can say is...............................WHACKO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyConfused::



and very frightening thought processes!  YIKES!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on March 30, 2009, 03:43:19 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

KTF

Me has an open mind...and nothing would surprise me anymore.

this monkey is still absorbing info.
Prayers for Nat.

In my opinion,there is nothing to absorb from CapsLockWizard FOM...He's been nothing but a disinformation specialist and has done much harm to JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY...Again..JMOO

you know that, I know that, he knows that, and he knows WE know it.

by the way - where is the 50 year old unemployed system analyst / professor of logic?

Hey Rob

He Went To Get A Job In Obamas Cabinet ...........



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 30, 2009, 03:45:48 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

KTF

Me has an open mind...and nothing would surprise me anymore.

this monkey is still absorbing info.
Prayers for Nat.

In my opinion,there is nothing to absorb from CapsLockWizard FOM...He's been nothing but a disinformation specialist and has done much harm to JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY...Again..JMOO

you know that, I know that, he knows that, and he knows WE know it.

by the way - where is the 50 year old unemployed system analyst / professor of logic?

Initiating more threats against those who exposed him for what he is, maybe?

Cowardly little putz!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 30, 2009, 03:46:26 PM
I thought Poochy's post was skeeeeery. ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 03:51:26 PM
I thought Poochy's post was skeeeeery. ::MonkeyShocked::


Very,Very Skeeeeeeeeeeeeeery! ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Rob on March 30, 2009, 03:52:38 PM
My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth.  I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

So POOCHY/DAPHNE, now that I understand how you feel I don't think I can tolerate seeing your posts here.



I made the colossal mistake of exchanging a few emails with lil poochy. Wow - just wow is all I can really say. A conspiracy under every rock. And they're all tied together in a way that only poochy was able to unravel. Jusssstttttt WOW!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 30, 2009, 03:55:25 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

KTF

Me has an open mind...and nothing would surprise me anymore.

this monkey is still absorbing info.
Prayers for Nat.

In my opinion,there is nothing to absorb from CapsLockWizard FOM...He's been nothing but a disinformation specialist and has done much harm to JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY...Again..JMOO

you know that, I know that, he knows that, and he knows WE know it.

by the way - where is the 50 year old unemployed system analyst / professor of logic?

I found an interesting website while researching that creep.  Seems someone has had quite enough of the crap.  Maybe you could send him a letter asking what he's up to these days?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://bustarubamisinfo.blogspot.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
« Reply #143 on: December 31, 2008, 05:52:55 PM »


Mum,

I pop on every few days to catch up. I used to get involved with the discussions but for some time now, it seems to me, not much headway is being made. And I think the reason is the diversions that occur. It's as if someone or several people are watching SM and every so often they determine SM is on to something and they implement a diversion. Whoever he, she, or they are, they must be very satisfied with their most recent endeavor what with all the terse posts of late among the SMer's.

I agree with your comment "As far as I can see this cage business is the diversion".

My own opinion is; No body no case + incinerator operator suicide = no body. JMO

Ado

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4328.msg605405#msg605405

Again..No answer... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Keepthefaith,

I don't have time to follow along as much as I used. I visit just a few times a week and read a few pages.
I don't have anything to add.
Is there some particular point you want my opinion on?

Ado

What do you believe to be diversions,as well as why?

Keepthefaith,

Couldn't respond right away.......work got in the way.

I don't want to come across as narrow minded or antagonistic but you asked so I'm responding.....

When posters come here and make posts along the lines of "I've got a secret, see if you can guess it if I give you hints every once in a while" or posts that are more like riddles than theory or discussion, I consider that diversionary.
When it was announced that there was going to be an ocean search and Aruba did nothing to stop it I was and still am of the opinion Aruba knew there was nothing to find. Otherwise they would have done something to stop the search.
If you believe they were actually dumb enough to dump a body in relatively shallow water in a crystal clear ocean and within sight of Aruba then I suppose all the talk about the trap is important.
As for me I think that Paulus and his friends were thorough enough to eliminate all evidence. Not hide it, eliminate it. Except perhaps a shoe. And no I don't think this jerk wallowing around in the pond will find joran's shoe.

Ado


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Rob on March 30, 2009, 04:03:43 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

KTF

Me has an open mind...and nothing would surprise me anymore.

this monkey is still absorbing info.
Prayers for Nat.

In my opinion,there is nothing to absorb from CapsLockWizard FOM...He's been nothing but a disinformation specialist and has done much harm to JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY...Again..JMOO

you know that, I know that, he knows that, and he knows WE know it.

by the way - where is the 50 year old unemployed system analyst / professor of logic?

I found an interesting website while researching that creep.  Seems someone has had quite enough of the crap.  Maybe you could send him a letter asking what he's up to these days?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://bustarubamisinfo.blogspot.com/

Hi Jen... a long-time ago I found a guy named Augustin Vrolijk while researching that clan. That guy used to be in charge of fishing husbandry (whatever that is) or maybe it was fish husbandry. He works at the airport now as some type of upper-echelon manager. He could be Rubberleg's boss for all I know.

What I found interesting about the position "fishing husbandry" was that it would seem that a person in that capability "might" know where to dump a trap where it wouldn't be accidentally discovered due to deepsea fishing or diving. He might know the ocean floor better than the average Aruban / Dutchie.

And then there was Tito Vrolijk who committed suicide. He was only 33 IIRC. No idea if they are related.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 30, 2009, 04:06:24 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

KTF

Me has an open mind...and nothing would surprise me anymore.

this monkey is still absorbing info.
Prayers for Nat.

In my opinion,there is nothing to absorb from CapsLockWizard FOM...He's been nothing but a disinformation specialist and has done much harm to JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY...Again..JMOO

you know that, I know that, he knows that, and he knows WE know it.

by the way - where is the 50 year old unemployed system analyst / professor of logic?

I found an interesting website while researching that creep.  Seems someone has had quite enough of the crap.  Maybe you could send him a letter asking what he's up to these days?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://bustarubamisinfo.blogspot.com/

Hi Jen... a long-time ago I found a guy named Augustin Vrolijk while researching that clan. That guy used to be in charge of fishing husbandry (whatever that is) or maybe it was fish husbandry. He works at the airport now as some type of upper-echelon manager. He could be Rubberleg's boss for all I know.

What I found interesting about the position "fishing husbandry" was that it would seem that a person in that capability "might" know where to dump a trap where it wouldn't be accidentally discovered due to deepsea fishing or diving. He might know the ocean floor better than the average Aruban / Dutchie.

And then there was Tito Vrolijk who committed suicide. He was only 33 IIRC. No idea if they are related.

 

Hiya Rob,

Well that's certainly an interesting thought!

We have been told that the location this cage was found is NOT someplace a cage like this would likely have been accidentally dropped (not in a known fishing region), nor was it found in an area typical to freight type ships.

It's also not near any tourist type dive sites, FWIW.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 30, 2009, 04:08:43 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

KTF

Me has an open mind...and nothing would surprise me anymore.

this monkey is still absorbing info.
Prayers for Nat.

In my opinion,there is nothing to absorb from CapsLockWizard FOM...He's been nothing but a disinformation specialist and has done much harm to JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY...Again..JMOO

you know that, I know that, he knows that, and he knows WE know it.

by the way - where is the 50 year old unemployed system analyst / professor of logic?

I found an interesting website while researching that creep.  Seems someone has had quite enough of the crap.  Maybe you could send him a letter asking what he's up to these days?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://bustarubamisinfo.blogspot.com/

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 04:12:17 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

KTF

Me has an open mind...and nothing would surprise me anymore.

this monkey is still absorbing info.
Prayers for Nat.

In my opinion,there is nothing to absorb from CapsLockWizard FOM...He's been nothing but a disinformation specialist and has done much harm to JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY...Again..JMOO

you know that, I know that, he knows that, and he knows WE know it.

by the way - where is the 50 year old unemployed system analyst / professor of logic?

I found an interesting website while researching that creep.  Seems someone has had quite enough of the crap.  Maybe you could send him a letter asking what he's up to these days?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://bustarubamisinfo.blogspot.com/

Hi Jen... a long-time ago I found a guy named Augustin Vrolijk while researching that clan. That guy used to be in charge of fishing husbandry (whatever that is) or maybe it was fish husbandry. He works at the airport now as some type of upper-echelon manager. He could be Rubberleg's boss for all I know.

What I found interesting about the position "fishing husbandry" was that it would seem that a person in that capability "might" know where to dump a trap where it wouldn't be accidentally discovered due to deepsea fishing or diving. He might know the ocean floor better than the average Aruban / Dutchie.

And then there was Tito Vrolijk who committed suicide. He was only 33 IIRC. No idea if they are related.

 
Mr. Agustin Vrolijk
Director
Department of Foreign Affairs


http://www.icao.int/icao/en/atb/ecp/Trinidad/Trin_Report_en.pdf

Did he get a promotion for all his work????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 04:16:51 PM
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
« Reply #143 on: December 31, 2008, 05:52:55 PM »


Mum,

I pop on every few days to catch up. I used to get involved with the discussions but for some time now, it seems to me, not much headway is being made. And I think the reason is the diversions that occur. It's as if someone or several people are watching SM and every so often they determine SM is on to something and they implement a diversion. Whoever he, she, or they are, they must be very satisfied with their most recent endeavor what with all the terse posts of late among the SMer's.

I agree with your comment "As far as I can see this cage business is the diversion".

My own opinion is; No body no case + incinerator operator suicide = no body. JMO

Ado

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4328.msg605405#msg605405

Again..No answer... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Keepthefaith,

I don't have time to follow along as much as I used. I visit just a few times a week and read a few pages.
I don't have anything to add.
Is there some particular point you want my opinion on?

Ado

What do you believe to be diversions,as well as why?

Keepthefaith,

Couldn't respond right away.......work got in the way.

I don't want to come across as narrow minded or antagonistic but you asked so I'm responding.....

When posters come here and make posts along the lines of "I've got a secret, see if you can guess it if I give you hints every once in a while" or posts that are more like riddles than theory or discussion, I consider that diversionary.
When it was announced that there was going to be an ocean search and Aruba did nothing to stop it I was and still am of the opinion Aruba knew there was nothing to find. Otherwise they would have done something to stop the search.
If you believe they were actually dumb enough to dump a body in relatively shallow water in a crystal clear ocean and within sight of Aruba then I suppose all the talk about the trap is important.
As for me I think that Paulus and his friends were thorough enough to eliminate all evidence. Not hide it, eliminate it. Except perhaps a shoe. And no I don't think this jerk wallowing around in the pond will find joran's shoe.

Ado


Do you have anything to support this theory?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: adoronron on March 30, 2009, 04:25:39 PM
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
« Reply #143 on: December 31, 2008, 05:52:55 PM »


Mum,

I pop on every few days to catch up. I used to get involved with the discussions but for some time now, it seems to me, not much headway is being made. And I think the reason is the diversions that occur. It's as if someone or several people are watching SM and every so often they determine SM is on to something and they implement a diversion. Whoever he, she, or they are, they must be very satisfied with their most recent endeavor what with all the terse posts of late among the SMer's.

I agree with your comment "As far as I can see this cage business is the diversion".

My own opinion is; No body no case + incinerator operator suicide = no body. JMO

Ado

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4328.msg605405#msg605405

Again..No answer... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Keepthefaith,

I don't have time to follow along as much as I used. I visit just a few times a week and read a few pages.
I don't have anything to add.
Is there some particular point you want my opinion on?

Ado

What do you believe to be diversions,as well as why?

Keepthefaith,

Couldn't respond right away.......work got in the way.

I don't want to come across as narrow minded or antagonistic but you asked so I'm responding.....

When posters come here and make posts along the lines of "I've got a secret, see if you can guess it if I give you hints every once in a while" or posts that are more like riddles than theory or discussion, I consider that diversionary.
When it was announced that there was going to be an ocean search and Aruba did nothing to stop it I was and still am of the opinion Aruba knew there was nothing to find. Otherwise they would have done something to stop the search.
If you believe they were actually dumb enough to dump a body in relatively shallow water in a crystal clear ocean and within sight of Aruba then I suppose all the talk about the trap is important.
As for me I think that Paulus and his friends were thorough enough to eliminate all evidence. Not hide it, eliminate it. Except perhaps a shoe. And no I don't think this jerk wallowing around in the pond will find joran's shoe.

Ado


Do you have anything to support this theory?

What theory?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 04:33:16 PM
 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::


ADO..

My own opinion is; No body no case + incinerator operator suicide = no body. JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 30, 2009, 04:37:52 PM
I would STILL like to hear the tapes that supposedly connect Paulus v/d Sloot with some Colombians.

They might change the slant on things considerably.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 04:44:12 PM
I would STILL like to hear the tapes that supposedly connect Paulus v/d Sloot with some Colombians.

They might change the slant on things considerably.

I agree Anna..Would like to hear what it entails..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: adoronron on March 30, 2009, 04:54:06 PM
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ADO..

My own opinion is; No body no case + incinerator operator suicide = no body. JMO

As I recall during the get together Paulus had with the prime suspects he said "no body no case". (Somebody correct me if that is not what he was quoted as saying.) He didn't say "If they can't find the body no case". It seems to me the only sure way to eliminate a body is to incinerate it. Just a few months later for no apparent reason an incinerator operator commits Arubacide. 
So I am only putting two and two together. They incinerate the body. They suspect the incincerator operator might talk so they do him in.
I know it's a simple theory with little factual information, but that's what makes sense to me as the most likely scenario.
An again, it's just my theory.

Ado




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 30, 2009, 04:55:55 PM
My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth.  I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

So POOCHY/DAPHNE, now that I understand how you feel I don't think I can tolerate seeing your posts here.



You know, not that I want to risk being the only poster to get un-banned TWICE but... every time I see *sswipes on the internet casting Beth Holloway as evil personified or Natalee being at fault for her own murder, it makes me want to do something that invoves the upside of the *sswipe's head. With my fist. Very hard.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 05:09:02 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 30, 2009, 05:09:32 PM
 O/T

Bodies of missing LeRoy brothers and father found  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4661.msg745251#new


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 05:13:08 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::


ADO..

My own opinion is; No body no case + incinerator operator suicide = no body. JMO

As I recall during the get together Paulus had with the prime suspects he said "no body no case". (Somebody correct me if that is not what he was quoted as saying.) He didn't say "If they can't find the body no case". It seems to me the only sure way to eliminate a body is to incinerate it. Just a few months later for no apparent reason an incinerator operator commits Arubacide. 
So I am only putting two and two together. They incinerate the body. They suspect the incincerator operator might talk so they do him in.
I know it's a simple theory with little factual information, but that's what makes sense to me as the most likely scenario.
An again, it's just my theory.

Ado




I do appreciate your candor Ado!Although i tend o disagree with you.. ::MonkeyShocked:: I would be even more thankful if you could enlighten me to why the Cage/Trap is a diversion..What am i missing??TIA

KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: hotping on March 30, 2009, 05:21:29 PM
I thought Poochy's post was skeeeeery. ::MonkeyShocked::
It was Skeeery Magnolia and as far as I'm concerned it was insane......I hope She stays the hell away from this forum......  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: adoronron on March 30, 2009, 05:27:53 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::


ADO..

My own opinion is; No body no case + incinerator operator suicide = no body. JMO

As I recall during the get together Paulus had with the prime suspects he said "no body no case". (Somebody correct me if that is not what he was quoted as saying.) He didn't say "If they can't find the body no case". It seems to me the only sure way to eliminate a body is to incinerate it. Just a few months later for no apparent reason an incinerator operator commits Arubacide. 
So I am only putting two and two together. They incinerate the body. They suspect the incincerator operator might talk so they do him in.
I know it's a simple theory with little factual information, but that's what makes sense to me as the most likely scenario.
An again, it's just my theory.

Ado




I do appreciate your candor Ado!Although i tend o disagree with you.. ::MonkeyShocked:: I would be even more thankful if you could enlighten me to why the Cage/Trap is a diversion..What am i missing??TIA

KEEPTHEFAITH

Keepthefaith,
I'll have to go way back in the threads to remember the specifics of my reasoning on that but I don't have time left today to do it. I have an appointment in an hour and need to log out. I'll try to be back in here tomorrow.
 
Ado


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 30, 2009, 05:35:32 PM
My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth.  I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

So POOCHY/DAPHNE, now that I understand how you feel I don't think I can tolerate seeing your posts here.



I am shocked with what I just read and I totally agree with you Klaas.  Robin has hindered this case along with her cohorts at BNH.  jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 30, 2009, 05:42:59 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

KTF

Me has an open mind...and nothing would surprise me anymore.

this monkey is still absorbing info.
Prayers for Nat.

In my opinion,there is nothing to absorb from CapsLockWizard FOM...He's been nothing but a disinformation specialist and has done much harm to JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY...Again..JMOO

you know that, I know that, he knows that, and he knows WE know it.

by the way - where is the 50 year old unemployed system analyst / professor of logic?

I found an interesting website while researching that creep.  Seems someone has had quite enough of the crap.  Maybe you could send him a letter asking what he's up to these days?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://bustarubamisinfo.blogspot.com/

O.K. Kermit did you do this website?   ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 05:45:27 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::


ADO..

My own opinion is; No body no case + incinerator operator suicide = no body. JMO

As I recall during the get together Paulus had with the prime suspects he said "no body no case". (Somebody correct me if that is not what he was quoted as saying.) He didn't say "If they can't find the body no case". It seems to me the only sure way to eliminate a body is to incinerate it. Just a few months later for no apparent reason an incinerator operator commits Arubacide. 
So I am only putting two and two together. They incinerate the body. They suspect the incincerator operator might talk so they do him in.
I know it's a simple theory with little factual information, but that's what makes sense to me as the most likely scenario.
An again, it's just my theory.

Ado




I do appreciate your candor Ado!Although i tend o disagree with you.. ::MonkeyShocked:: I would be even more thankful if you could enlighten me to why the Cage/Trap is a diversion..What am i missing??TIA

KEEPTHEFAITH

Keepthefaith,
I'll have to go way back in the threads to remember the specifics of my reasoning on that but I don't have time left today to do it. I have an appointment in an hour and need to log out. I'll try to be back in here tomorrow.
 
Ado


Maybe this will help,maybe not??

ADO
Anna,

Well.......I agree for the most part with Robots.
MOS has em cornered and they're going to be in jail for much much longer than any eight days or sixty days.
MOS is not part of the Aruban system, he's part of the Dutch system and he seems the type that has career aspirations. He wouldn't take any risks at ruining his future by filing manslaughter charges he can't prove. He's got the goods on them. He wouldn't say he has proof she is deceased if he didn'thave the proof. On a side note, IMO I think MOS has some photographic or video evidence. We all know the pimps were involved in the porn business.
On the ocean search - Everybody can try to figure out how he and TES know exactly where to look but right now the fact is they know where to look. How they found out where to look may become public sometime down the road but it's too soon for MOS to disclose that information. Again, the fact is they know where to look, and that to me is a major breakthrough, and MOS isn't hinting how they found out. It's has to be driving those involved in the crime nuts.
Notice that JT is trying all he can to get some sort of response from MOS and....................nothing. He (MOS) is not going to respond now matter what JT claims.
If there is an information/evidence leak MOS and the 45 KLPD will find the source.
On arresting Paulus - It would not be a good idea to arrest Paulus this soon. In doing so you would have to disclose evidence to him and he might be able to start cover up activities in motion, or get word to J2K on the "new" story line to follow.
I see a lot of folks in here claiming the sky is falling because this hasn't happened yet, or that person should be arrested and isn't, or Satish's lawyer said it's just the same old stuff. Myself, I think within a month we'll know must of what happened.
I do hope TES has some sort of navy protective support out there. This is dangerous stuff.


ADO.

I'm confused ADO..Seems you were thinking about Natalee Holloway being in the ocean or am i mistaken??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 05:47:32 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::


ADO..

My own opinion is; No body no case + incinerator operator suicide = no body. JMO

As I recall during the get together Paulus had with the prime suspects he said "no body no case". (Somebody correct me if that is not what he was quoted as saying.) He didn't say "If they can't find the body no case". It seems to me the only sure way to eliminate a body is to incinerate it. Just a few months later for no apparent reason an incinerator operator commits Arubacide. 
So I am only putting two and two together. They incinerate the body. They suspect the incincerator operator might talk so they do him in.
I know it's a simple theory with little factual information, but that's what makes sense to me as the most likely scenario.
An again, it's just my theory.

Ado




I do appreciate your candor Ado!Although i tend o disagree with you.. ::MonkeyShocked:: I would be even more thankful if you could enlighten me to why the Cage/Trap is a diversion..What am i missing??TIA

KEEPTHEFAITH

Keepthefaith,
I'll have to go way back in the threads to remember the specifics of my reasoning on that but I don't have time left today to do it. I have an appointment in an hour and need to log out. I'll try to be back in here tomorrow.
 
Ado


Maybe this will help,maybe not??

ADO
Anna,

Well.......I agree for the most part with Robots.
MOS has em cornered and they're going to be in jail for much much longer than any eight days or sixty days.
MOS is not part of the Aruban system, he's part of the Dutch system and he seems the type that has career aspirations. He wouldn't take any risks at ruining his future by filing manslaughter charges he can't prove. He's got the goods on them. He wouldn't say he has proof she is deceased if he didn'thave the proof. On a side note, IMO I think MOS has some photographic or video evidence. We all know the pimps were involved in the porn business.
On the ocean search - Everybody can try to figure out how he and TES know exactly where to look but right now the fact is they know where to look. How they found out where to look may become public sometime down the road but it's too soon for MOS to disclose that information. Again, the fact is they know where to look, and that to me is a major breakthrough, and MOS isn't hinting how they found out. It's has to be driving those involved in the crime nuts.
Notice that JT is trying all he can to get some sort of response from MOS and....................nothing. He (MOS) is not going to respond now matter what JT claims.
If there is an information/evidence leak MOS and the 45 KLPD will find the source.
On arresting Paulus - It would not be a good idea to arrest Paulus this soon. In doing so you would have to disclose evidence to him and he might be able to start cover up activities in motion, or get word to J2K on the "new" story line to follow.
I see a lot of folks in here claiming the sky is falling because this hasn't happened yet, or that person should be arrested and isn't, or Satish's lawyer said it's just the same old stuff. Myself, I think within a month we'll know must of what happened.
I do hope TES has some sort of navy protective support out there. This is dangerous stuff.


ADO.


KEEPTHEFAITH
I'm confused ADO..Seems you were thinking about Natalee Holloway being in the ocean or am i mistaken??



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2009, 05:59:50 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_54600.php

Stephen Daal new ATIA
March 30, 2009, 16:12 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/30--aruba-voor-stephen-daal.gif)   
Stephen Daal (right), director of Viking Freight, was appointed last Friday as the new chairman of undertakings ATIA. Juan David Yrausquin (left) is a step back and vice chairman.

ORANGE CITY - After two years as chairman to have been ATIA did Juan David Yrausquin last Friday one step back. Stephen Daal, director of Viking Freight, the new chairman of the association.

Yrausquin continues as vice chairman. ATIA is in a restructuring and wants to a model similar to that of the Aruban Hotel and Tourism Association (Ahata), a director with the daily management of the organization performs and acts as spokesman. In order to achieve ATIA has a principle agreement with VNO-NCW in the Netherlands for providing assistance and expertise. However, during this transitional period under the chairmanship of Daal will process things differently. So will not the president, but someone else lead the meeting and each board member gets their own portfolio, such as revenue, labor and business integrity. Board in its meeting on Friday was re-elected Stephen Daal, Frank Snijders, Jurgen van Schaijk and Prakash Gupta. New in the management of ATIA are Michel Henriquez, Robert Croes II, Wim Hoenink and Enrique 'Tito' de Cuba. Juan David Yrausquin, Michelle Wink Laar and Greg Peterson were elected last year and remain on the board of ATIA.

Public Relations
In his farewell speech as President Juan David Yrausquin said that the difficult relationship built up between ATIA and the government is not holy, and that this should be released if the government does not act transparently. Yrausquin had been several attempts to improve the contact with the Oduber-cabinet in the past two years pass in review. He also said a number of moments where he had managed to lobby to stop a number of laws which he said "ATIA, its members and ultimately the Aruban people" would have a disadvantage.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2009, 06:10:49 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_54597.php

Google translation:

Aruba
More flights from New York
March 30, 2009, 16:05 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The U.S. airlines Jetblue and Delta fly to September 2009 more from New York to Reina Beatrix airport. This has the Aruba Airport Authority (AAA) published.

Jetblue Airways has extended its summer now and fly between March 8 and September 8, 2009 twice daily. In addition, the airline pointed out in this period by one third daily flight on Saturday. Delta Airlines on Thursday third flight added in the period between July 1 and September 5, 2009. Each flight has a capacity of between 150 and 185 seats. Airline American Airlines applies per June 10, 2009 arrival and departure of its two weekly flights from New York. The new arrival is 12:20 hours and departure time is 13:30 pm.
To expand capacity to achieve AAA has participated in events of ATA and Tourism Tourist Organization Ahata where major airlines at present. AAA is very pleased that, despite warnings from International Air Transport Association (IATA) that the aviation industry in the 'intensive care' is, its aviation partners has been able to convince the capacity of flights from New York to Aruba to enlarge.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2009, 06:16:23 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_54595.php

Google translation:

Aruba
Weekend full of accidents
March 30, 2009, 16:02 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/30-aruba-ongeluk-2-quadrace.gif)(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/30-aruba-ongeluk-1.gif)

Emergency services were this weekend quite busy.


ORANGE CITY - The police had their hands full last weekend to accidents in traffic. Sunday hit an American tourist during a trip at Conchi with its quad racer on the head and is injured. Probably they have a broken hip.

 
The woman with the helicopter transported to the hospital for treatment. The third is the second accident with a quad racer in Conchi within a week where the helicopter was deployed. This morning was another message received from third accident at the tourist attraction, again with a quad racer.

In Palm Beach is a drunk driver with his car drove through a red light and caused an accident when he collided with another car, finally stopped at a lamppost to come. The occupants of the car are gone by and left with the laveloze driver sitting behind the wheel. Beside the chauffeur was a bottle of spirits and he did not react when the agents he claims. The man had injuries to his head and was in the ambulance to the hospital is.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 30, 2009, 06:25:19 PM
Rob next time you are here will you please respond to Sam so they will stop this:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4724.new#new


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Sam on March 30, 2009, 06:38:17 PM
Thank You Blue Moon,

so now I can just say my prayers for Natalee and her family.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 30, 2009, 06:42:54 PM
::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Still waiting on anyone's reason's to continue to support the CapsLockWizard!

KTF

Me has an open mind...and nothing would surprise me anymore.

this monkey is still absorbing info.
Prayers for Nat.

In my opinion,there is nothing to absorb from CapsLockWizard FOM...He's been nothing but a disinformation specialist and has done much harm to JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY...Again..JMOO

you know that, I know that, he knows that, and he knows WE know it.

by the way - where is the 50 year old unemployed system analyst / professor of logic?

I found an interesting website while researching that creep.  Seems someone has had quite enough of the crap.  Maybe you could send him a letter asking what he's up to these days?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://bustarubamisinfo.blogspot.com/

O.K. Kermit did you do this website?   ::MonkeyLaugh::

Nope not moi.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 30, 2009, 06:47:22 PM

I beleive IN CapsLockWizard. Yes, it is very simple. I thought my post that you keep quoting explained how I felt about Caps as a poster.

Caps would post many theories as he tried to untangle the many codetalkers prose. Detangling codetalker prose is not something you can do in one day. So depending on what codetalker prose he read and deciphered, he'd go in that direction and post - to put feelers out to see how others reacted. What a "normal" poster would do. Caps is trying to find where Natalee could have been buried. So YES, I agree with what Caps is doing 100%. I didn't agree with all he posted but enjoyed reading his posts. Is that a crime?   

And NO - I don't agree at all about the crab trap. Like I stated in my earlier post, I believe news about the crab trap when I see it on TV or professionals tell me that she was in that crab trap. I cannot believe something from a fuzzy internet pic, sorry.

And since when are posters FORCED to take sides? Yes or No? My goodness. And why am I supposed to uphold a Frog or any other SM poster on another board? If I don't like your post I scroll on by. If I like your post I want to post more with you. That's my rule. I live in the land of the free - I have my own opinions and can state my own opinions, and did not know I was supposed to make friends with everybody. Geesh, I find this all so ludicrous, so childish.

I stand with Natalee - nobody else.

The thing is Jerseygirl,
Caps did not just sit here with you and the other codetalkers, he a busy adult male with his other buddies posting here and emailing Dave that Dave needed to come to Aruba right away that Natalee was in the cemetery.

Where I come from it's called shucking and jiving.






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 30, 2009, 06:51:37 PM
Had it been you, Kermit, it would have the red-nosed reindeer in it. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 30, 2009, 06:55:00 PM

I beleive IN CapsLockWizard. Yes, it is very simple. I thought my post that you keep quoting explained how I felt about Caps as a poster.

Caps would post many theories as he tried to untangle the many codetalkers prose. Detangling codetalker prose is not something you can do in one day. So depending on what codetalker prose he read and deciphered, he'd go in that direction and post - to put feelers out to see how others reacted. What a "normal" poster would do. Caps is trying to find where Natalee could have been buried. So YES, I agree with what Caps is doing 100%. I didn't agree with all he posted but enjoyed reading his posts. Is that a crime?   

And NO - I don't agree at all about the crab trap. Like I stated in my earlier post, I believe news about the crab trap when I see it on TV or professionals tell me that she was in that crab trap. I cannot believe something from a fuzzy internet pic, sorry.

And since when are posters FORCED to take sides? Yes or No? My goodness. And why am I supposed to uphold a Frog or any other SM poster on another board? If I don't like your post I scroll on by. If I like your post I want to post more with you. That's my rule. I live in the land of the free - I have my own opinions and can state my own opinions, and did not know I was supposed to make friends with everybody. Geesh, I find this all so ludicrous, so childish.

I stand with Natalee - nobody else.

The thing is Jerseygirl,
Caps did not just sit here with you and the other codetalkers, he a busy adult male with his other buddies posting here and emailing Dave that Dave needed to come to Aruba right away that Natalee was in the cemetery.

Where I come from it's called shucking and jiving.






Well, I'll be damned!  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Rob on March 30, 2009, 07:00:12 PM

I beleive IN CapsLockWizard. Yes, it is very simple. I thought my post that you keep quoting explained how I felt about Caps as a poster.

Caps would post many theories as he tried to untangle the many codetalkers prose. Detangling codetalker prose is not something you can do in one day. So depending on what codetalker prose he read and deciphered, he'd go in that direction and post - to put feelers out to see how others reacted. What a "normal" poster would do. Caps is trying to find where Natalee could have been buried. So YES, I agree with what Caps is doing 100%. I didn't agree with all he posted but enjoyed reading his posts. Is that a crime?   

And NO - I don't agree at all about the crab trap. Like I stated in my earlier post, I believe news about the crab trap when I see it on TV or professionals tell me that she was in that crab trap. I cannot believe something from a fuzzy internet pic, sorry.

And since when are posters FORCED to take sides? Yes or No? My goodness. And why am I supposed to uphold a Frog or any other SM poster on another board? If I don't like your post I scroll on by. If I like your post I want to post more with you. That's my rule. I live in the land of the free - I have my own opinions and can state my own opinions, and did not know I was supposed to make friends with everybody. Geesh, I find this all so ludicrous, so childish.

I stand with Natalee - nobody else.

The thing is Jerseygirl,
Caps did not just sit here with you and the other codetalkers, he a busy adult male with his other buddies posting here and emailing Dave that Dave needed to come to Aruba right away that Natalee was in the cemetery.

Where I come from it's called shucking and jiving.






Well, I'll be damned!  ::MonkeyTongue::

mmmhhhmmm !!! heard that!!!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 30, 2009, 07:00:56 PM
I thought Poochy's post was skeeeeery. ::MonkeyShocked::
It was Skeeery Magnolia and as far as I'm concerned it was insane......I hope She stays the hell away from this forum......  ::MonkeyEek::

I thought I popped into the friggin twilight zone for a page or two....lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 30, 2009, 07:17:57 PM
And now back to our regularly scheduled program:

Natalee Holloway


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 07:19:39 PM
And now back to our regularly scheduled program:

Natalee Holloway

I didn't want to get stung by MuffyBee...NoooWayyy ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 30, 2009, 07:22:06 PM
KTF ~  You are doin' just fine.  Like many other monkeys, you are looking for justice for Natalee and want to bring her home.  (http://bestsmileys.com/insects/4.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 30, 2009, 07:28:17 PM
And now back to our regularly scheduled program:

Natalee Holloway

Holy bat cave shit...WTF is going on???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 07:29:29 PM
KTF ~  You are doin' just fine.  Like many other monkeys, you are looking for justice for Natalee and want to bring her home.  (http://bestsmileys.com/insects/4.gif)

 ::MonkeyDance:: Just havin fun with the resident Bee!You know bee's are extremely important to the ecosystem!No messin with them Bee's.. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 30, 2009, 07:30:36 PM
And now back to our regularly scheduled program:

Natalee Holloway

Holy bat cave shit...WTF is going on???

 :batman:  Nothing really.  Just some OT that doesn't belong in missing persons thread.  Hi FOM (http://bestsmileys.com/waving/5.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 30, 2009, 07:32:11 PM
KTF ~  You are doin' just fine.  Like many other monkeys, you are looking for justice for Natalee and want to bring her home.  (http://bestsmileys.com/insects/4.gif)

 ::MonkeyDance:: Just havin fun with the resident Bee!You know bee's are extremely important to the ecosystem!No messin with them Bee's.. ::MonkeyWink::

bees buzz and frogs croak?????     ::MonkeyHaHa::

yep.......gotta love the zoo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 30, 2009, 07:40:02 PM
With all due respect Sam and Rob..we have a monkey lounge...need there be a monkey boxing ring too...or a mediation room???

soon I will be in charge of the monkey massage parlor..lol




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 07:41:24 PM
Here's one for ya SAM.........

POOCHY

- What adult still needs the Wiz of Oz theme in there lives at 18 years old? Not my kids even at 14/15.
-  Who's mother would be associated with John Ramsey, who's own daughter was murdered on a satanic high holiday?
- Who's mother would be associated with Bo Dietl, handler for Johnny Gosch?
-  Who's mother and step-father would smile as they came out of the masonic looking alto vista church in the pitch black of night, and then return back into the cab (or so it was reported??)- Dompig said Jug walks in Cheney circle of friends- and said  that is the "CLUE"
- Google Cheney and Cathy O'Brian
- Google Johnny Gosch
- Google Johnny Gosch and Bo Dietl
- Hidden in plain site is witness protection plan.
- the answers are all there on the internet, just like Charles Croes said they would be. He said there wre "far reaching implications, some not easy to handle..." but they are all there.




Please do give me your thoughts SAM...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 30, 2009, 07:42:00 PM
With all due respect Sam and Rob..we have a monkey lounge...need there be a monkey boxing ring too...or a mediation room???

soon I will be in charge of the monkey massage parlor..lol




That will be so nice FOM.  I can hardly wait. ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 30, 2009, 07:48:25 PM
With all due respect Sam and Rob..we have a monkey lounge...need there be a monkey boxing ring too...or a mediation room???

soon I will be in charge of the monkey massage parlor..lol




That will be so nice FOM.  I can hardly wait. ::MonkeyDance::


KTF and SAM are still playing the "no touch game"

Maybe we need a hot tub and sauna for these types of monkey business.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Rob on March 30, 2009, 07:49:30 PM
As Muffy has asked repeatedly - let's stop it now. I intend to. I know the Rules of SM and Kermit has said herself - dont make me post the suckers - private emails are off the record. That's my last word.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 07:50:56 PM

Poochy..Do you believe CapsLockWizard.Yes or No..Very simple!TIA

I beleive IN CapsLockWizard. Yes, it is very simple. I thought my post that you keep quoting explained how I felt about Caps as a poster.

Caps would post many theories as he tried to untangle the many codetalkers prose. Detangling codetalker prose is not something you can do in one day. So depending on what codetalker prose he read and deciphered, he'd go in that direction and post - to put feelers out to see how others reacted. What a "normal" poster would do. Caps is trying to find where Natalee could have been buried. So YES, I agree with what Caps is doing 100%. I didn't agree with all he posted but enjoyed reading his posts. Is that a crime?   

And NO - I don't agree at all about the crab trap. Like I stated in my earlier post, I believe news about the crab trap when I see it on TV or professionals tell me that she was in that crab trap. I cannot believe something from a fuzzy internet pic, sorry.

And since when are posters FORCED to take sides? Yes or No? My goodness. And why am I supposed to uphold a Frog or any other SM poster on another board? If I don't like your post I scroll on by. If I like your post I want to post more with you. That's my rule. I live in the land of the free - I have my own opinions and can state my own opinions, and did not know I was supposed to make friends with everybody. Geesh, I find this all so ludicrous, so childish.

I stand with Natalee - nobody else.


Does the following post reveal that Anomino/CapsLockWizard is a troll who has an an obvious obvious adherece to the Aruban agenda ... the ATA/AHATA agenda ... the Mark Purcell agenda ... the Julia Renfro agenda and ... the Rene Gielen agenda of undermining Beth Holloway's every word, action and motivation but sparing Dave Holloway?

In Tamikosmom's world the answer is "YES!".

Janet

++++++

ANOMINO AKA CAPLOCKWIZARD

Now Aruban Prosecutor Says “Holloway case in ‘new phase” … New Phase of not Investigating

#22  Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:17 pm


Ladies and Gentlemen;

I have been looking for some place where I could leave some of my comments without leaving my name. We still have people in Alabama who will burn things down if things don’t go their way.

Without using any four letter words I can assure all of you have some valid points in expressing what you think happened. There are a lot of people out here who feel the same way. There are still a lot of questions which need answering.

I can assure you that the FBI is aware of all your concerns. They are looking at it from every angle. What happened in Aruba was supposed to have stayed in Aruba. Then the cameras showed up! This was when Beth knew they were in trouble. Her words, not mine.

As soon as the FBI can make an Alabama connection the case will become a federal case.  You did see how fast the Investigators up here put the finger on those three college boys who burned down those churches didn’t you?

Well, I waited 16 months to find something which I can confide my suspicions in.

There were over a million comments posted on the Internet during this period. I feel that someone with a computer and a little knowledge about the teen who vanished in Aruba will also confide in this web site as long as they can be sure their idenity is safe.

Some other school mates who either saw, or heard, something about what happened down there.

I believe this enough that I am willing to stick my neck out and start posting some of the things I know about the case which have not been brought up on any of those cable news networks.

But first ask your self this question ? why is Beth and Jug no longer together. I, too, have asked that question. I think Jug butted out when Beth went running all over the country promoting this International Safe Travels thing. She lost a lot of her support here.

Some things are a matter of public record. Marrages, divorces, and ownership of property. Do you know what a prenup. is?

The reason why it was kept in Aruba is because as long as it stays down there the FBI can’t toutch it. If a connection with the USA can be made, then it will become a federal case.

The mother took the daughter to some meetings on how to behave in a foreign country. Then she dropped her off at a friend’s house for the flight to Aruba.

Then the socer mom took off with two friends to a lake house in Hot Springs, AK 5 hours north of B’Ham! And for three days no contact with Aruba. Then for 4-5 hours after the teen did not show up for muster the mother gets a call from one of the adults on the trip.

Question. How is it possible that the mom can make the same day flight to Aruba while on the same day the kid was missing? How quick she was to get everything together, travel 5 hour from Hot Spring, pack, make a sign, and flight to Aruba.

Question. When she arrived in Aruba, what Written Sign She was holding in Her Hand?

“MY DAUGHTER WAS KIDNAPED SIGN”

How did she know she was kiddnaped…?? Answer these questions please.

If the mother had of wanted to lollygag around a pool some where she could have gone on the trip too if she was that concerned about the safety of her daughter.

Two of the girl’s step cousins were on the same trip. Don’t you think they were the designated drivers? Or the look outs? One even fingered Joran as having played cards with some of the teens from MB.

Has any one of you ever been on a beach alone with a young woman? Have you ever tried to get a drunk to do something they didn’t want to? Then join the Army and travel a little. You’ll see.

This is all for now. If I get some response then I will start asking the hard questions the cable news didn’t ask. You can ask some good questions too. The good ones will be forwarded to the FBI in Alabama who are working on it too.

Nathalie Price $1000.000.00 and second price 250.000.00 to tell something

A Long time has past and the poor people in Aruba never came to claim the price… Aruban, Dutch, American, Surinam living in an expensive island where 50.000 are over 50 yr old and where 25000 are of school age and 50000 65yr and up on pension and none of them will like to win the lottery. Ask yourself why?

Is it that because they have to much casino and 1,000.000.00 will not make a difference or is it that they have done so much money laundry that they do not need a million or so to boost up their portfolio or is it that they are so corrupt that they do not see a Million Dollar…???????

The reason they are not coming forward is that no-one has seen or hear anything or is it that they are afraid of the 3 alleged perps that have hurts their island so much that they are afraid of them?,
or is it this question

IS IT THAT THIS IS ALL A FABRICATION FOR AN INSURANCE CLAIM AFTER 5 OR 10 YEARS?

Where the players are all connected and waiting for time to tick away to 2010.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 07:52:38 PM
My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth.  I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

So POOCHY/DAPHNE, now that I understand how you feel I don't think I can tolerate seeing your posts here.




 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 07:56:49 PM

I beleive IN CapsLockWizard. Yes, it is very simple. I thought my post that you keep quoting explained how I felt about Caps as a poster.

Caps would post many theories as he tried to untangle the many codetalkers prose. Detangling codetalker prose is not something you can do in one day. So depending on what codetalker prose he read and deciphered, he'd go in that direction and post - to put feelers out to see how others reacted. What a "normal" poster would do. Caps is trying to find where Natalee could have been buried. So YES, I agree with what Caps is doing 100%. I didn't agree with all he posted but enjoyed reading his posts. Is that a crime?   

And NO - I don't agree at all about the crab trap. Like I stated in my earlier post, I believe news about the crab trap when I see it on TV or professionals tell me that she was in that crab trap. I cannot believe something from a fuzzy internet pic, sorry.

And since when are posters FORCED to take sides? Yes or No? My goodness. And why am I supposed to uphold a Frog or any other SM poster on another board? If I don't like your post I scroll on by. If I like your post I want to post more with you. That's my rule. I live in the land of the free - I have my own opinions and can state my own opinions, and did not know I was supposed to make friends with everybody. Geesh, I find this all so ludicrous, so childish.

I stand with Natalee - nobody else.

The thing is Jerseygirl,
Caps did not just sit here with you and the other codetalkers, he a busy adult male with his other buddies posting here and emailing Dave that Dave needed to come to Aruba right away that Natalee was in the cemetery.

Where I come from it's called shucking and jiving.


Well, I'll be damned!  ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

KLAAAAAAS!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 30, 2009, 08:10:31 PM

I beleive IN CapsLockWizard. Yes, it is very simple. I thought my post that you keep quoting explained how I felt about Caps as a poster.

Caps would post many theories as he tried to untangle the many codetalkers prose. Detangling codetalker prose is not something you can do in one day. So depending on what codetalker prose he read and deciphered, he'd go in that direction and post - to put feelers out to see how others reacted. What a "normal" poster would do. Caps is trying to find where Natalee could have been buried. So YES, I agree with what Caps is doing 100%. I didn't agree with all he posted but enjoyed reading his posts. Is that a crime?   

And NO - I don't agree at all about the crab trap. Like I stated in my earlier post, I believe news about the crab trap when I see it on TV or professionals tell me that she was in that crab trap. I cannot believe something from a fuzzy internet pic, sorry.

And since when are posters FORCED to take sides? Yes or No? My goodness. And why am I supposed to uphold a Frog or any other SM poster on another board? If I don't like your post I scroll on by. If I like your post I want to post more with you. That's my rule. I live in the land of the free - I have my own opinions and can state my own opinions, and did not know I was supposed to make friends with everybody. Geesh, I find this all so ludicrous, so childish.

I stand with Natalee - nobody else.

The thing is Jerseygirl,
Caps did not just sit here with you and the other codetalkers, he a busy adult male with his other buddies posting here and emailing Dave that Dave needed to come to Aruba right away that Natalee was in the cemetery.

Where I come from it's called shucking and jiving.


Well, I'll be damned!  ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

KLAAAAAAS!!!

Tattletale ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 08:14:10 PM

I beleive IN CapsLockWizard. Yes, it is very simple. I thought my post that you keep quoting explained how I felt about Caps as a poster.

Caps would post many theories as he tried to untangle the many codetalkers prose. Detangling codetalker prose is not something you can do in one day. So depending on what codetalker prose he read and deciphered, he'd go in that direction and post - to put feelers out to see how others reacted. What a "normal" poster would do. Caps is trying to find where Natalee could have been buried. So YES, I agree with what Caps is doing 100%. I didn't agree with all he posted but enjoyed reading his posts. Is that a crime?   

And NO - I don't agree at all about the crab trap. Like I stated in my earlier post, I believe news about the crab trap when I see it on TV or professionals tell me that she was in that crab trap. I cannot believe something from a fuzzy internet pic, sorry.

And since when are posters FORCED to take sides? Yes or No? My goodness. And why am I supposed to uphold a Frog or any other SM poster on another board? If I don't like your post I scroll on by. If I like your post I want to post more with you. That's my rule. I live in the land of the free - I have my own opinions and can state my own opinions, and did not know I was supposed to make friends with everybody. Geesh, I find this all so ludicrous, so childish.

I stand with Natalee - nobody else.

The thing is Jerseygirl,
Caps did not just sit here with you and the other codetalkers, he a busy adult male with his other buddies posting here and emailing Dave that Dave needed to come to Aruba right away that Natalee was in the cemetery.

Where I come from it's called shucking and jiving.


Well, I'll be damned!  ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

KLAAAAAAS!!!

Tattletale ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 08:18:24 PM
I'm affraid I don't know alot about this Jerseygirl, or Daphne/Poochy.  Someone email me and enlighten me please. 

smklaas@hotmail.com


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 30, 2009, 08:20:47 PM
I'm affraid I don't know alot about this Jerseygirl, or Daphne/Poochy.  Someone email me and enlighten me please. 

smklaas@hotmail.com

i am lost too.

nite monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 30, 2009, 08:22:29 PM
Good night FOM 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 30, 2009, 08:22:40 PM
klass u have almost 50,000 posts!!!!

 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 08:23:13 PM
klass u have almost 50,000 posts!!!!

 ::cartwheel::

shhhhhhh don't tell anyone  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 30, 2009, 08:25:12 PM
afraid u will get locked up in the nutty bin???

no worries.....u already are!  ( and me too lol )


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 08:32:35 PM
Here's one for ya SAM.........

POOCHY

- What adult still needs the Wiz of Oz theme in there lives at 18 years old? Not my kids even at 14/15.
-  Who's mother would be associated with John Ramsey, who's own daughter was murdered on a satanic high holiday?
- Who's mother would be associated with Bo Dietl, handler for Johnny Gosch?
-  Who's mother and step-father would smile as they came out of the masonic looking alto vista church in the pitch black of night, and then return back into the cab (or so it was reported??)- Dompig said Jug walks in Cheney circle of friends- and said  that is the "CLUE"
- Google Cheney and Cathy O'Brian
- Google Johnny Gosch
- Google Johnny Gosch and Bo Dietl
- Hidden in plain site is witness protection plan.
- the answers are all there on the internet, just like Charles Croes said they would be. He said there wre "far reaching implications, some not easy to handle..." but they are all there.




Please do give me your thoughts SAM...

This is a post from Poochy Sam..I'm sure your aware of it.what are your thoughts in regards to this post??TIA ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 08:41:30 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Sam on March 30, 2009, 08:49:55 PM
Here's one for ya SAM.........

POOCHY

- What adult still needs the Wiz of Oz theme in there lives at 18 years old? Not my kids even at 14/15.
-  Who's mother would be associated with John Ramsey, who's own daughter was murdered on a satanic high holiday?
- Who's mother would be associated with Bo Dietl, handler for Johnny Gosch?
-  Who's mother and step-father would smile as they came out of the masonic looking alto vista church in the pitch black of night, and then return back into the cab (or so it was reported??)- Dompig said Jug walks in Cheney circle of friends- and said  that is the "CLUE"
- Google Cheney and Cathy O'Brian
- Google Johnny Gosch
- Google Johnny Gosch and Bo Dietl
- Hidden in plain site is witness protection plan.
- the answers are all there on the internet, just like Charles Croes said they would be. He said there wre "far reaching implications, some not easy to handle..." but they are all there.




Please do give me your thoughts SAM...

This is a post from Poochy Sam..I'm sure your aware of it.what are your thoughts in regards to this post??TIA ::MonkeyCool::


I am not going to analyze the post from Poochy. I will leave that for the rest of you.You all seem to do such a good job at that. Just as you decide when one posters post is off topic but others are not.I tried very hard to let Rob know the thread was in the lounge and that is all I wanted was him to read and respond in there.


I will tell you this . If it was my daughter who was missing I would do whatever it took to get justice for her and If that meant sleeping with the devil then I would probably sleep with the devil. So analyze that.
Sam


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Rob on March 30, 2009, 08:53:20 PM
you don't need to analyze EVERY post from Poochy - all you need to know is she LOVES Robin. And runs to her.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Debbie on March 30, 2009, 08:53:53 PM
My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth.  I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

So POOCHY/DAPHNE, now that I understand how you feel I don't think I can tolerate seeing your posts here.



I cannot believe that this site has dropped to the point of slamming not only Natalee's step-mother but also her father.  It was bad enough when members here were slandering the crew of the Persistence, but to go this far tells me it is time to ask for my membership to be removed.

I do not want my name associated with SM at all and I cannot believe SM members have forgotten that using Natalee's name does not give anyone the right to say some of the things that have been said. What a sad commentary on all of you and this site.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 08:57:37 PM
My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth.  I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

So POOCHY/DAPHNE, now that I understand how you feel I don't think I can tolerate seeing your posts here.



I cannot believe that this site has dropped to the point of slamming not only Natalee's step-mother but also her father.  It was bad enough when members here were slandering the crew of the Persistence, but to go this far tells me it is time to ask for my membership to be removed.

I do not want my name associated with SM at all and I cannot believe SM members have forgotten that using Natalee's name does not give anyone the right to say some of the things that have been said. What a sad commentary on all of you and this site.



We do not remove membership or posts.  If you don't want to post here don't.  If you want me to ban you so that you can't post here I'm happy to ban you and SAM and Poochy and anyone else. 

I don't tell you what to post at BFN and you don't tell us what to discuss here.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Sam on March 30, 2009, 08:58:10 PM
My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth.  I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

So POOCHY/DAPHNE, now that I understand how you feel I don't think I can tolerate seeing your posts here.



I cannot believe that this site has dropped to the point of slamming not only Natalee's step-mother but also her father.  It was bad enough when members here were slandering the crew of the Persistence, but to go this far tells me it is time to ask for my membership to be removed.

I do not want my name associated with SM at all and I cannot believe SM members have forgotten that using Natalee's name does not give anyone the right to say some of the things that have been said. What a sad commentary on all of you and this site.



Thank you Debbie for telling it like it is.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: San on March 30, 2009, 09:00:37 PM
My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth.  I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

So POOCHY/DAPHNE, now that I understand how you feel I don't think I can tolerate seeing your posts here.



I cannot believe that this site has dropped to the point of slamming not only Natalee's step-mother but also her father.  It was bad enough when members here were slandering the crew of the Persistence, but to go this far tells me it is time to ask for my membership to be removed.

I do not want my name associated with SM at all and I cannot believe SM members have forgotten that using Natalee's name does not give anyone the right to say some of the things that have been said. What a sad commentary on all of you and this site.


Thank you Debbie for telling it like it is.

And what might that be that she supports the Beth haters.  We don't end of story.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: bc73 on March 30, 2009, 09:01:03 PM
My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth.  I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

So POOCHY/DAPHNE, now that I understand how you feel I don't think I can tolerate seeing your posts here.



I cannot believe that this site has dropped to the point of slamming not only Natalee's step-mother but also her father.  It was bad enough when members here were slandering the crew of the Persistence, but to go this far tells me it is time to ask for my membership to be removed.

I do not want my name associated with SM at all and I cannot believe SM members have forgotten that using Natalee's name does not give anyone the right to say some of the things that have been said. What a sad commentary on all of you and this site.


Don't let the door hit you in the you know where. Last I checked, nobody was being held hostage here.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 09:01:29 PM
Sam won't be responding


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 30, 2009, 09:03:50 PM
KTF,

Adoronron had some very credible thoughts to share back in the day when Robots and I discussed the shoe situation ad infinitum.  Some told us if we mentioned it again, we had to eat a bug, too.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

But I persisted because I knew there was a reason for all the shoe confusion and sure enough, we are STILL hearing about a shoe to this date.

Ado had the theory that given Joran's proclivity to take from others as verified by several including Jossy, Joran may have just taken a shoe more or less at random from the racquet club to plant to "prove" he was on the beach, somewhere that he wasn't.

I respect this theory because it explains the smirking Joran parading his shoes on Greta.  I think he was wearing the shoes he pretended to leave somewhere.  It explains the size variation.  So I like to get Ado's thoughts on things.

But for what it's worth, which isn't much, and while I wouldn't call them exactly diversions, I remain unconvinced that Natalee was in either the trap or the pond. 
I know Kyle and Tim Miller thought that was her in the trap but I don't know as I didn't have the benefit of actually seeing the tapes and ALE was allowed exclusive access to the contents of the trap which means now we will never know for a fact certain who or what was there.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Or who got it and what happened to it after that or anything else.

And my support is fully and totally behind Beth in Natalee's absence.  No exceptions.

I hope she is not seeing the fire hose. 

 ::MonkeyWaa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Rob on March 30, 2009, 09:05:03 PM
My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth.  I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

So POOCHY/DAPHNE, now that I understand how you feel I don't think I can tolerate seeing your posts here.



I cannot believe that this site has dropped to the point of slamming not only Natalee's step-mother but also her father.  It was bad enough when members here were slandering the crew of the Persistence, but to go this far tells me it is time to ask for my membership to be removed.

I do not want my name associated with SM at all and I cannot believe SM members have forgotten that using Natalee's name does not give anyone the right to say some of the things that have been said. What a sad commentary on all of you and this site.



you should talk !!!

you run a site that lets Beth be slammed every which way in a dutch gangbang all day long!

SAVE IT SISTER.. AND GUESS WHAT - THERE WONT BE AN APOLOGY COMING THIS TIME EVEN IF ROBIN CALLS ME AGAIN AT 8:30 IN THE MORNING.

I've pretty much had it with all you stealth operators.

I just sent Klaas MY proo of what I KNOW.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 30, 2009, 09:05:50 PM
WE were slandering the Persistence?  Last I read it was KYLE who spoke those words.  Guess that is another one who failed to read his words.

It has now come down to what I feared it would be long long ago.  Dave vs Beth via some troublemakers inserting themselves into this murder where they have only complicated the entire "non-investigation".  Aruba wins again. jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 30, 2009, 09:09:59 PM
I believe it is Kyle Kingman who insists that the remains found in the trap were mishandled and given exclusively and only to ALE even with their history of mishandling evidence.

What am I missing here?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 30, 2009, 09:11:21 PM
It is my opinion that whoever came up with the idea to blast the pond floor with fire hoses is beyond contempt.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 30, 2009, 09:11:37 PM
I believe it is Kyle Kingman who insists that the remains found in the trap were mishandled and given exclusively and only to ALE even with their history of mishandling evidence.

What am I missing here?



You are missing nothing, Anna. You are absolutely correct.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: mytime on March 30, 2009, 09:11:43 PM
Stupid Stupid Questions - but could some one please answer me!!

BFN = Blogs For Natalee?   ran by
BNH =                            ran by
Freebirds                        ran by
RU = Refugees Unleashed   ran by
FOK


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 09:12:59 PM
It is my opinion that whoever came up with the idea to blast the pond floor with fire hoses is beyond contempt.



It's all for show anyway.  Clearly it can't be a serious search for evidence using the fire hose in that fashion.  They aren't that foolish are they?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 30, 2009, 09:13:51 PM
Stupid Stupid Questions - but could some one please answer me!!

BFN = Blogs For Natalee?   ran by
BNH =                            ran by
Freebirds                        ran by
RU = Refugees Unleashed   ran by
FOK

MYTime said a bad word in Dutch!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 30, 2009, 09:16:12 PM
Did anyone come up with the phone? conversation Tim Miller had with that Jen from a TV station?  I read earlier what Mags (I think) posted.  I am withholding judgment until I hear it straight from Tim's mouth.  I hope Silvetti doesn't have $1.5 million laying around somewhere for this adventure.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 30, 2009, 09:16:19 PM
It is my opinion that whoever came up with the idea to blast the pond floor with fire hoses is beyond contempt.



It's all for show anyway.  Clearly it can't be a serious search for evidence using the fire hose in that fashion.  They aren't that foolish are they?


Well, evidently, they are just that.  What if the drivers license for example were in the pond?  They would now be in a thousand pieces.

Surely it must be just for show but I do hope the end result is that they return Natalee.  I have to wonder how much say Beth has had in all of this especially the lavish praise of all things Aruba and the fire hose. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 30, 2009, 09:17:00 PM
Stupid Stupid Questions - but could some one please answer me!!

BFN = Blogs For Natalee?   ran by
BNH =                            ran by
Freebirds                        ran by
RU = Refugees Unleashed   ran by
FOK

MYTime said a bad word in Dutch!



I thought FOK meant fork



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 09:17:18 PM
Stupid Stupid Questions - but could some one please answer me!!

BFN = Blogs For Natalee?   ran by  DEBBIE & IAN (Ian hosts the server)
BNH =                            ran by    LOIS/ROBIN/REALITY
Freebirds                        ran by    NOT SURE MAYBE JEN?
RU = Refugees Unleashed   ran by  JOYNOW, VICTIM'S CRY & KAY_THE_KITTEN
FOK   FOK is a Netherlands based website that has a forum.  I don't know who runs is.

My answers in red.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 30, 2009, 09:18:16 PM
My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth.  I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

So POOCHY/DAPHNE, now that I understand how you feel I don't think I can tolerate seeing your posts here.



I cannot believe that this site has dropped to the point of slamming not only Natalee's step-mother but also her father.  It was bad enough when members here were slandering the crew of the Persistence, but to go this far tells me it is time to ask for my membership to be removed.

I do not want my name associated with SM at all and I cannot believe SM members have forgotten that using Natalee's name does not give anyone the right to say some of the things that have been said. What a sad commentary on all of you and this site.




You know what, Debbie?  Earlier I saw some real craziness posted.  A poster said to be close to Robin Holloway was shown to have an interest in some kind of garbage about satanism and attempts to connect Beth and Jug to it.

I would be far, far more ashamed of that than of asking honest questions about a search of the ocean floor that actually FOUND remains, turned them over unsupervised to ALE, hid that fact, hid the videotaped evidence of that fact, and later attempted to sell that videotape behind the famly's back.

Seems to me Beth and Dave got divorced years ago and they've both dealt with it.  Sounds like somebody else needs to.

JMO and only MO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: mytime on March 30, 2009, 09:18:18 PM
Stupid Stupid Questions - but could some one please answer me!!

BFN = Blogs For Natalee?   ran by
BNH =                            ran by
Freebirds                        ran by
RU = Refugees Unleashed   ran by
FOK

MYTime said a bad word in Dutch!



Now Anna, I pick you to help me!  I know a bad word in English too!!   ::MonkeyWink::

No, can you please fill in the blanks!!  TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 30, 2009, 09:22:05 PM
Had it been you, Kermit, it would have the red-nosed reindeer in it. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Or a frog



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: mytime on March 30, 2009, 09:22:52 PM
Stupid Stupid Questions - but could some one please answer me!!

BFN = Blogs For Natalee?   ran by  DEBBIE & IAN (Ian hosts the server)
BNH =                            ran by    LOIS/ROBIN/REALITY
Freebirds                        ran by    NOT SURE MAYBE JEN?
RU = Refugees Unleashed   ran by  JOYNOW, VICTIM'S CRY & KAY_THE_KITTEN
FOK   FOK is a Netherlands based website that has a forum.  I don't know who runs is.

My answers in red.

Thank you Klaas - I am sure the person that I ask all my Natalee questions is so thankful too!!  I let her know that she owes you one!! LOL   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 30, 2009, 09:23:03 PM
Debbie,

You have spent a lot of time monitoring here, but have contributed very little of late, or anything, for that matter.  jmho.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 30, 2009, 09:24:45 PM
It may come as a big shock to some people but I have absolutely no respect for blogs that welcome those who have stalked posters for personal information, stalked their children, posted lies about them and done all manner of sleaze.

If those posters are welcome on a forum, I must assume that forum approves of that.  I told no lies and did nothing to deserve being attacked and yet I was as others have been.

Those who sustain and support those who do this are no better than the actual stalkers and freaks who do the actual stalking.

Maybe worse as I think some of the stalkers are mental cases and the supporters just plain evil.

MO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 30, 2009, 09:24:45 PM
Just my unsolicited opinion, BUT, I think people have one Helluvva nerve coming here and trying to tell Klaas how to run this forum. Especially since those same people seem to have every lunatic on the web running amok on THEIR forums.

They sit in the rafters here  and like pigs hunting for truffles, they grab posts and run back to their hidey holes with them. If this place is so bad then why do they hang out here and steal all the posts for their forums?
Nevvah mind. I know the answer to that. No original thought produces no original posts..they have to steal. ::MonkeyConfused::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 30, 2009, 09:27:50 PM
Stupid Stupid Questions - but could some one please answer me!!

BFN = Blogs For Natalee?   ran by  DEBBIE & IAN (Ian hosts the server)
BNH =                            ran by    LOIS/ROBIN/REALITY
Freebirds                        ran by    NOT SURE MAYBE JEN?
RU = Refugees Unleashed   ran by  JOYNOW, VICTIM'S CRY & KAY_THE_KITTEN
FOK   FOK is a Netherlands based website that has a forum.  I don't know who runs is.

My answers in red.

Thank you Klaas - I am sure the person that I ask all my Natalee questions is so thankful too!!  I let her know that she owes you one!! LOL   ::MonkeyWink::


The person you picked doesn't know for sure on BNH.  Charlie Rat a former poster here is said to be part of admin there as well.  They all require registration to even read except RU and FOK.nl.

SM and RU are the only forums that are open for all the read.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 30, 2009, 09:29:16 PM
It may come as a big shock to some people but I have absolutely no respect for blogs that welcome those who have stalked posters for personal information, stalked their children, posted lies about them and done all manner of sleaze.

If those posters are welcome on a forum, I must assume that forum approves of that.  I told no lies and did nothing to deserve being attacked and yet I was as others have been.

Those who sustain and support those who do this are no better than the actual stalkers and freaks who do the actual stalking.

Maybe worse as I think some of the stalkers are mental cases and the supporters just plain evil.

MO

Yes, Anna. Some of those forums LOVE their lunatics, just LOVE Them!  I think this is very apparant by the things they post.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 30, 2009, 09:30:19 PM
Just my unsolicited opinion, BUT, I think people have one Helluvva nerve coming here and trying to tell Klaas how to run this forum. Especially since those same people seem to have every lunatic on the web running amok on THEIR forums.

They sit in the rafters here  and like pigs hunting for truffles, they grab posts and run back to their hidey holes with them. If this place is so bad then why do they hang out here and steal all the posts for their forums?
Nevvah mind. I know the answer to that. No original thought produces no original posts..they have to steal. ::MonkeyConfused::





And apparently lie as well or endorse and sustain and support those who do even if they KNOW full well the person is lying.  That was a bit of a disappointment at first but my expectations have sunk so low for the behavior of those who lecture others that it really doesn't shock me any more.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 09:34:15 PM
My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth.  I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

So POOCHY/DAPHNE, now that I understand how you feel I don't think I can tolerate seeing your posts here.



I cannot believe that this site has dropped to the point of slamming not only Natalee's step-mother but also her father.  It was bad enough when members here were slandering the crew of the Persistence, but to go this far tells me it is time to ask for my membership to be removed.

I do not want my name associated with SM at all and I cannot believe SM members have forgotten that using Natalee's name does not give anyone the right to say some of the things that have been said. What a sad commentary on all of you and this site.



You don't want your name associated with SM??You've sat in the rafters many of hrs,days and weeks for the past few months Debbie..You keep your forum a hidey-hole for a reason!If you want TRUTH AND JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY OPEN YOUR FORUM UP FOR ALL TO READ.......

keepthefaith


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 30, 2009, 09:36:48 PM
Debbie,

You have spent a lot of time monitoring here, but have contributed very little of late, or anything, for that matter.  jmho.

I never had the opportunity to ask for my membership at BFN to be removed...it just was....maybe because I didn't post...I'll never know...oh,well.  Whatever. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 09:37:04 PM
My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth.  I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

So POOCHY/DAPHNE, now that I understand how you feel I don't think I can tolerate seeing your posts here.



I cannot believe that this site has dropped to the point of slamming not only Natalee's step-mother but also her father.  It was bad enough when members here were slandering the crew of the Persistence, but to go this far tells me it is time to ask for my membership to be removed.

I do not want my name associated with SM at all and I cannot believe SM members have forgotten that using Natalee's name does not give anyone the right to say some of the things that have been said. What a sad commentary on all of you and this site.




Debbie

Monkeys are not slandering the crew of the Persistence.  It was the ROV operator and analysis on board that vessel who exposed in his own words the betrayal of John Silvetti.  His name is Kyle Kingman.

Dave Holloway has to wake up.  His sincere quest to find answers to the disappearance of his beloved daughter is not going to have a positive outcome when he fails insist on joining forces with the enemy ... the enemy who has ... in posts ... to various Natalee Holloway forums has  dispicably bashed Natalee and her mother as well as Dave himself.  Debbie ... prior BFN becoming a haven for Mark Purcell .. you were not even spared his wrath.  That was in the days that you and I were on the same page.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

+++++++


Robin Holloway
BFN
November 17, 2006


I am not sure who is posting riddles or why! I don't understand why anyone would do that! There were a lot of rumors going around and I hope MIP6 was able to put some of them to rest when he made this initial topic post. We are just glad he is doing what he can to help us and I want to thank Reality for all he did to put Dave and I directly in contact with him. We need all the help we can get when it comes to finding Natalee and MIP6 is trying to help us do just that!

+++++++


MIP6
New Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 16


I figure with my next post I should get the boot, haven’t decided which one to use yet the Beth lies or denouncing the Sainthood of Natalee. I have way too much fun watching them all freak out.

http://www.rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=24191#post24191


Mark Purcell
Refugees Unlimited


Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:43 am
Are the pages from Dave’s work of fiction soft when you wipe with them?

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:43 am
Girls disappearing in Aruba would be on every front page newspaper in the free world “IF” it had ever occurred prior to or after Natalee split to get away from her dysfunctional, cold & heartless, bar rag (thanks Wang) banshee of a mother.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:09 pm
We will be partying tonight at Kokoa Bar at the De Palm pier it will be there last night at that location so we are going to be giving them a big send off for there last night.  If Natalee shows up for the party I'll be sure to find the closest internet connection and let everyone know.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:06 pm
For me one of the main things I would like to see other than Natalee coming out of hiding is for Jug & Beth to make a public apology to the following during primetime, hell lets make it during the Super Bowl and they pay for the air time: Julia Renfro for the assault that Jug performed against her. Joran for all the lies that have been told by B&J against / about him. The K brothers for the same as Joran. The families of J2K for all the hate that the B&J lies have brought to there door steps. To all the great citizens of Aruba and all Dutch territories for Beth’s crap of asking for a travel boycott. To the American people for them being such lying pieces of crap almost nightly for 10 months. And at the end of the world wide broadcast of the apologies I would like to see the FBI than slap the cuffs on both of them and lead them away as the FBI spokesperson comes on the air and state that the public at large has been bilked for XXX number of millions of dollars by this pair.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:06 pm
For me one of the main things I would like to see other than Natalee coming out of hiding is for Jug & Beth to make a public apology to the following during primetime, hell lets make it during the Super Bowl and they pay for the air time: Julia Renfro for the assault that Jug performed against her. Joran for all the lies that have been told by B&J against / about him. The K brothers for the same as Joran. The families of J2K for all the hate that the B&J lies have brought to there door steps. To all the great citizens of Aruba and all Dutch territories for Beth’s crap of asking for a travel boycott. To the American people for them being such lying pieces of crap almost nightly for 10 months. And at the end of the world wide broadcast of the apologies I would like to see the FBI than slap the cuffs on both of them and lead them away as the FBI spokesperson comes on the air and state that the public at large has been bilked for XXX number of millions of dollars by this pair.

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:08 pm
Doesn’t surprise me any that Debbie would do that. The title of this thread is “Debbie’s Integrity” should read “Debbie’s total lack of Morals & Integrity”. She is the head cheerleader for all things Twitty / Holloway. Someone mentioned to me that Debbie was just being “used” by the family to move the family agenda forward, I called Bullshit, Debbie knows exactly what she is doing. This is a blatant attempt to smear Julia because the Twitholes fear her knowledge of what they did here in Aruba. Just like all others who where close to the family in the beginning, they now have put in play a planned focused effort to discredit Julia. This family of the runaway Natalee are the lowest forms of life I have ever had the displeasure of experiencing in my life time. I can’t wait for the day when the house of cards that the Twitholes have built on there ongoing lies and deception comes falling down around there shoulders. I also can not wait until the day that Julia tells all, even though she is a class act, I think she will someday put it all out there.


Lots more quotes at:

Topic: MIP6 and REALITY - are they part of the disinformation team?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1896.0



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 30, 2009, 09:37:21 PM
That Debbie....not a lick of class.  ::MonkeyShocked::

And we have been very tolerant of her sitting up in our rafters all this time. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 30, 2009, 09:38:15 PM
It may come as a big shock to some people but I have absolutely no respect for blogs that welcome those who have stalked posters for personal information, stalked their children, posted lies about them and done all manner of sleaze.

If those posters are welcome on a forum, I must assume that forum approves of that.  I told no lies and did nothing to deserve being attacked and yet I was as others have been.

Those who sustain and support those who do this are no better than the actual stalkers and freaks who do the actual stalking.

Maybe worse as I think some of the stalkers are mental cases and the supporters just plain evil.

MO

Yes, Anna. Some of those forums LOVE their lunatics, just LOVE Them!  I think this is very apparant by the things they post.

Why yes, they do!  Hail them as heros even knowing full well the lying they have done, too.

And every day is open season on Beth and the MB kids.  Snarky remark after snarky remark is OK but dare to question the wisdom of hiring somebody to blast with a fire hose the place they claim Natalee may be and all heck breaks loose!

I'm personally just tired of it and certainly think it is about as low down as it gets. 

And yes, I will openly state that my first loyalty is to BETH and if anybody doesn't like that, too bad!  It isn't Beth who has been playing the divisive role all along.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 09:39:00 PM

klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #699 12/1/2007
« Reply #403 on: December 02, 2007, 11:17:37 PM »


We are not attacking the Holloways, we are QUESTIONING why on earth Robin and Dave believe that Julia Renfro and Mark Purcell are worthy of trust after how badly they have spoken about both Natalee and Beth.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.400


ROBIN HOLLOWAY

Blonde
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #699 12/1/2007
« Reply #324 on: December 02, 2007, 09:58:41 PM »


Dave is currently on his way home to Meridian. Beth is on her way back also. They met with the KLPD and OM yesterday. I guess there is a miscommunication between interrogation and questioning. They had a lot of questions for Dave and Beth in efforts to help Natalee’s case and dispel a lot of nasty rumours. Also, Dave and Beth had a lot of questions for them too in regards to Natalee’s case. The meeting went well and they are working hard, but we don’t know what will happen next and pray this water search will turn up something. As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else.  Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee.

For now, waiting on Dave to get home and will watch the news or wait on that phone call to see what will happen next. It’s been a long two and a half years and never dreamed this much time would go by with no answers. Thanks to all of you for your continued support and for hanging in there with us. Thank you Debbie for coming to Meridian to hang out with the girls, Matt and me. I was a nervous wreck and glad you were able to make time for us this weekend. Brooke just got in from a playdate and was upset she didn’t get to say goodbye Sad I don’t think she realized you would be gone before she got home.

The boat should be in Aruba depending on the weather between Thurs and Saturday. Will keep you updated.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 30, 2009, 09:42:10 PM
That Debbie....not a lick of class.  ::MonkeyShocked::

And we have been very tolerant of her sitting up in our rafters all this time. ::MonkeyTongue::

You echo my post about her monitoring our forum for some time.  No comments, no ideas, until now.  Whatever.   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Kiwi on March 30, 2009, 09:43:58 PM
Evening all. Just a side question, is the search dog still working the pond? If they are still searching then a small list of sites would be useful. I wouldn't mind a quick walk through of the arch area. Only because it was close to the area of the tape with the hair. Also mentioned in Shango, one month prior to the collapse of the arch. The debris field can not be searched without a crane. Its quiet and not traveled at night by tourists. Just throwing that out there while we have this many posting and reading that could pass that along.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 30, 2009, 09:45:00 PM
I think some people like for those ATA/AHATA clowns to blast Beth and even Natalee because they enjoy reading it.  They must LIKE for them to do it or they wouldn't have sought out those particular people to befriend.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 30, 2009, 09:45:58 PM
That Debbie....not a lick of class.  ::MonkeyShocked::

And we have been very tolerant of her sitting up in our rafters all this time. ::MonkeyTongue::

You echo my post about her monitoring our forum for some time.  No comments, no ideas, until now.  Whatever.   ::MonkeyTongue::

Pigs rooting around for truffles. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 09:50:00 PM
klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #699 12/1/2007
« Reply #403 on: December 02, 2007, 11:17:37 PM »


We are not attacking the Holloways, we are QUESTIONING why on earth Robin and Dave believe that Julia Renfro and Mark Purcell are worthy of trust after how badly they have spoken about both Natalee and Beth.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.400


ROBIN HOLLOWAY[/b]

Blonde
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #699 12/1/2007
« Reply #324 on: December 02, 2007, 09:58:41 PM »


Dave is currently on his way home to Meridian. Beth is on her way back also. They met with the KLPD and OM yesterday. I guess there is a miscommunication between interrogation and questioning. They had a lot of questions for Dave and Beth in efforts to help Natalee’s case and dispel a lot of nasty rumours. Also, Dave and Beth had a lot of questions for them too in regards to Natalee’s case. The meeting went well and they are working hard, but we don’t know what will happen next and pray this water search will turn up something. As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else.  Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee.

For now, waiting on Dave to get home and will watch the news or wait on that phone call to see what will happen next. It’s been a long two and a half years and never dreamed this much time would go by with no answers. Thanks to all of you for your continued support and for hanging in there with us. Thank you Debbie for coming to Meridian to hang out with the girls, Matt and me. I was a nervous wreck and glad you were able to make time for us this weekend. Brooke just got in from a playdate and was upset she didn’t get to say goodbye Sad I don’t think she realized you would be gone before she got home.

The boat should be in Aruba depending on the weather between Thurs and Saturday. Will keep you updated.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317



JULIA RENFRO

Originally published June 9, 2007 at 12:00 AM | Page modified June 9, 2007 at 2:02 AM

As missing-teen case cools, Aruba turns against family

Arubans helped search for the Alabama high-schooler, who disappeared two years ago, but now they're embittered by the negative publicity.

By Carol J. Williams
Los Angeles Times


American Julia Renfro, editor-in-chief of Aruba Today, initially sided with Holloway's parents when they sought publicity and lambasted Aruban police for following Dutch investigative procedures different from those in the United States.

Galvanized by compassion for a desperate mother, Renfro stopped the presses of her daily newspaper for the first time in its history to include a picture of Holloway to aid Arubans in the islandwide search.
 
Renfro, a mother of four, spent weeks shuttling the family from the scene of one rumored development to another, but she became disenchanted with what she saw as Twitty's pandering to tabloid TV and "flat-out lies" she told on the air.
 
"I feel guilty saying any negative thing about a mother who has lost her daughter," Renfro said. "But her behavior was odd from the get-go."
 
Renfro has concluded that the body would have turned up by now if she died on the island proper. She -- and many Arubans -- doubts the three suspects, all good students without criminal records, could have pulled off a perfect crime, never caving in to intense interrogations.
 
"I've spoken with all of the suspects," she said. "I don't believe any of them did anything to her."
 
Heavily intoxicated, according to accounts given by her classmates to the FBI, Holloway could have staggered into the sea and drowned after the local men left her, Renfro speculated.
 
Holloway might have died of alcohol poisoning or a drug overdose and washed out to sea, as Deputy Police Chief Gerold Dompig surmised. She might have climbed aboard one of dozens of catamarans and cabin cruisers for late-night partying after a nearby concert.
 
Renfro says she was perplexed when Twitty immediately concluded that her daughter had been kidnapped and made no effort to check hospitals or police about accident victims. Within hours, Twitty had concluded van der Sloot was responsible, and within a couple of days she was telling TV interviewers that she knew her daughter had been gang-raped and murdered.
 
Twitty did not respond to e-mailed requests for an interview.

The Seattle Times
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003741183_aruba09.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 30, 2009, 09:50:07 PM
That Debbie....not a lick of class.  ::MonkeyShocked::

And we have been very tolerant of her sitting up in our rafters all this time. ::MonkeyTongue::

You echo my post about her monitoring our forum for some time.  No comments, no ideas, until now.  Whatever.   ::MonkeyTongue::

Pigs rooting around for truffles. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Sometimes I would want to say.....Hey Debbie, what ya doin up there....rootin' for truffles? ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: mytime on March 30, 2009, 09:50:28 PM
Magnolia, Lifesong, Anna, Klaas and every Monkey

Early Saturday morning, I became very sick!  I spent all weekend and most of today in bed!  I was unable to follow through with Jen Hale as I had planned!  Did any of you contact her?  I am sorry that I was not able to, I could not even get my head off my  pillow.  (Silver lining is -  it has been 3 days without a cigarette  ::MonkeyWink:: )



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 09:50:44 PM
Evening all. Just a side question, is the search dog still working the pond? If they are still searching then a small list of sites would be useful. I wouldn't mind a quick walk through of the arch area. Only because it was close to the area of the tape with the hair. Also mentioned in Shango, one month prior to the collapse of the arch. The debris field can not be searched without a crane. Its quiet and not traveled at night by tourists. Just throwing that out there while we have this many posting and reading that could pass that along.

Kiwi - I have no way of getting ahold of Fred Golba.  I'm sure that there are several people sending information to Dave and Dave Holloway can relay to Fred Golbd.  It doesn't look to me like Fred and his dog are going to do anything except search the Monserat pond. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 30, 2009, 09:52:07 PM
That Debbie....not a lick of class.  ::MonkeyShocked::

And we have been very tolerant of her sitting up in our rafters all this time. ::MonkeyTongue::

You echo my post about her monitoring our forum for some time.  No comments, no ideas, until now.  Whatever.   ::MonkeyTongue::

Pigs rooting around for truffles. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Sometimes I would want to say.....Hey Debbie, what ya doin up there....rootin' for truffles? ::MonkeyHaHa::

ROFLMAO  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: ohcanada on March 30, 2009, 09:52:21 PM
just a thought

up here the phrase "follow the yellow brick road"
is ment to be translated as ......follow the money trail???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 30, 2009, 09:52:24 PM
"Search and Destroy" is spreading rapidly.  It is not nice to hide away behind closed doors discussing what is being said out in the open here at SM and by whom and then come here and bash us for saying/thinking what we do.  It is time to take the gloves off.  IT IS NOT the time to coddle Aruba with nicety's thinking they will come around and return Natalee to her home and her country and family.  Don't you get it?  Fight like them and you make people nervous.  Exposing the truth will get you further than you think.  DON'T TRUST ANYONE or you will be made a fool of again. I pray they find Natalee and return her.  I hope she is found where they are searching.  I do not blame Dave for allowing this cause I would do the same for my son.  But GAWD it has been almost 4 years and playing nice does not get the job done. Start demanding answers from the trolls in Aruba and tell them to put up or shut up.       jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 30, 2009, 09:53:40 PM
Magnolia, Lifesong, Anna, Klaas and every Monkey

Early Saturday morning, I became very sick!  I spent all weekend and most of today in bed!  I was unable to follow through with Jen Hale as I had planned!  Did any of you contact her?  I am sorry that I was not able to, I could not even get my head off my  pillow.  (Silver lining is -  it has been 3 days without a cigarette  ::MonkeyWink:: )



I am so glad you are feeling better, MyTime.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 09:54:46 PM
Magnolia, Lifesong, Anna, Klaas and every Monkey

Early Saturday morning, I became very sick!  I spent all weekend and most of today in bed!  I was unable to follow through with Jen Hale as I had planned!  Did any of you contact her?  I am sorry that I was not able to, I could not even get my head off my  pillow.  (Silver lining is -  it has been 3 days without a cigarette  ::MonkeyWink:: )



I am so glad you are feeling better, MyTime.

AMEN..Glad to hear that MyTime..I had it about 2 weeks ago...Prayers for continued health!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 09:56:05 PM
just a thought

up here the phrase "follow the yellow brick road"
is ment to be translated as ......follow the money trail???


I'm affraid you are going to have to be more specific.  Most of us have discussed just about every possible aspect of this case including following the money. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 09:56:35 PM
"Search and Destroy" is spreading rapidly.  It is not nice to hide away behind closed doors discussing what is being said out in the open here at SM and by whom and then come here and bash us for saying/thinking what we do.  It is time to take the gloves off.  IT IS NOT the time to coddle Aruba with nicety's thinking they will come around and return Natalee to her home and her country and family.  Don't you get it?  Fight like them and you make people nervous.  Exposing the truth will get you further than you think.  DON'T TRUST ANYONE or you will be made a fool of again. I pray they find Natalee and return her.  I hope she is found where they are searching.  I do not blame Dave for allowing this cause I would do the same for my son.  But GAWD it has been almost 4 years and playing nice does not get the job done. Start demanding answers from the trolls in Aruba and tell them to put up or shut up.       jmo

In my opinion..That applies to all forums that are hidey-holes..OPEN UP OR SHUT UP
::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 30, 2009, 09:57:55 PM
Magnolia, Lifesong, Anna, Klaas and every Monkey

Early Saturday morning, I became very sick!  I spent all weekend and most of today in bed!  I was unable to follow through with Jen Hale as I had planned!  Did any of you contact her?  I am sorry that I was not able to, I could not even get my head off my  pillow.  (Silver lining is -  it has been 3 days without a cigarette  ::MonkeyWink:: )



Janet, Anna and I all had e-mails from Jennifer Hale.  She said that she had a telephone interview with Tim Miller
that was broadcast on her channel.  She was very nice about it.

Then last night a friend of mine told me that she had seen the broadcast interview with Tim Miller.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 09:57:56 PM
"Search and Destroy" is spreading rapidly.  It is not nice to hide away behind closed doors discussing what is being said out in the open here at SM and by whom and then come here and bash us for saying/thinking what we do.  It is time to take the gloves off.  IT IS NOT the time to coddle Aruba with nicety's thinking they will come around and return Natalee to her home and her country and family.  Don't you get it?  Fight like them and you make people nervous.  Exposing the truth will get you further than you think.  DON'T TRUST ANYONE or you will be made a fool of again. I pray they find Natalee and return her.  I hope she is found where they are searching.  I do not blame Dave for allowing this cause I would do the same for my son.  But GAWD it has been almost 4 years and playing nice does not get the job done. Start demanding answers from the trolls in Aruba and tell them to put up or shut up.       jmo



THAT APPLIES TO ALL THE HIDEY-HOLES AS WELL..OPEN UP OR SHUT UP!

 ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: mytime on March 30, 2009, 10:00:48 PM
Thank You Art and KTF!! I hear you can't get banned in the first month of quitting smoking   just a little rumor I made up!!   ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Kiwi on March 30, 2009, 10:01:45 PM
Thanks Klaas. It would do the dog good to walk around the park area. Just as some R and R.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Rob on March 30, 2009, 10:03:03 PM
It may come as a big shock to some people but I have absolutely no respect for blogs that welcome those who have stalked posters for personal information, stalked their children, posted lies about them and done all manner of sleaze.

If those posters are welcome on a forum, I must assume that forum approves of that.  I told no lies and did nothing to deserve being attacked and yet I was as others have been.

Those who sustain and support those who do this are no better than the actual stalkers and freaks who do the actual stalking.

Maybe worse as I think some of the stalkers are mental cases and the supporters just plain evil.

MO

Yes, Anna. Some of those forums LOVE their lunatics, just LOVE Them!  I think this is very apparant by the things they post.

Why yes, they do!  Hail them as heros even knowing full well the lying they have done, too.

And every day is open season on Beth and the MB kids.  Snarky remark after snarky remark is OK but dare to question the wisdom of hiring somebody to blast with a fire hose the place they claim Natalee may be and all heck breaks loose!

I'm personally just tired of it and certainly think it is about as low down as it gets. 

And yes, I will openly state that my first loyalty is to BETH and if anybody doesn't like that, too bad!  It isn't Beth who has been playing the divisive role all along.


Natalee is gone. My allegiance is to BETH...not to Blog For the Dutch. The web's worst victim's advocacy site. AMEN!

Janet close your eyes.

And where is that pussy Ian.. 4 years and he's still no where to be seen...Debbie it must feel real nice to be such a total tool.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 10:03:37 PM
Magnolia, Lifesong, Anna, Klaas and every Monkey

Early Saturday morning, I became very sick!  I spent all weekend and most of today in bed!  I was unable to follow through with Jen Hale as I had planned!  Did any of you contact her?  I am sorry that I was not able to, I could not even get my head off my  pillow.  (Silver lining is -  it has been 3 days without a cigarette   ::MonkeyWink:: )



I am thankful that you are feeling better Mytime.

Hopeful three days without a cigarette will turn into a lifetime addiction free.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 30, 2009, 10:06:45 PM
Magnolia, Lifesong, Anna, Klaas and every Monkey

Early Saturday morning, I became very sick!  I spent all weekend and most of today in bed!  I was unable to follow through with Jen Hale as I had planned!  Did any of you contact her?  I am sorry that I was not able to, I could not even get my head off my  pillow.  (Silver lining is -  it has been 3 days without a cigarette  ::MonkeyWink:: )



Janet, Anna and I all had e-mails from Jennifer Hale.  She said that she had a telephone interview with Tim Miller
that was broadcast on her channel.  She was very nice about it.

Then last night a friend of mine told me that she had seen the broadcast interview with Tim Miller.


Yes, she seems to be sticking to her report and still insists Tim Miller said all of that.

Now I want to know very badly if this donation exists and if so who got it and who made it.

Sorry you have been so sick MyTime!  Good on the cigs, however.  It's a great start so this is the time to stick to it.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 10:08:31 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gM4lWnpFfSI8U0EzxCHT8WVehRowD978MO800

Official: Pond search for Holloway nearly doneBy DAVID McFADDEN – 1 hour ago

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) — A private investigator scouring a drained pond in Aruba for clues that could help solve the mystery of a missing U.S. teen is preparing to wrap up his latest search and report any findings, an official on the Dutch Caribbean island said Monday.

Ruben Croes, president of the Aruba Search and Rescue Foundation, which has helped look for Natalee Holloway off and on since she vanished in May 2005, said U.S. investigator Fred Golba will end his probe of the garbage-strewn retention pond on Tuesday and then depart the island.

A team of foundation volunteers, including Croes and his son, have helped the tracker dog specialist from Chicopee, Massachusetts, probe the muddy bottom of the 250-square-meter retention pond since last week. Aruban police have been observing Golba's search.

"We will all meet tomorrow and talk about what was found and what may be there of any interest to Fred," Croes said in a Monday evening phone interview. "I believe there has just been a lot of trash found, but we will see. I haven't been there since the weekend."

Natalee Holloway, from Mountain Brook, Alabama, was 18 when she was last seen leaving a bar in the Aruban capital on the final night of a high school graduation trip. No trace of her has been found despite extensive searches involving hundreds of volunteers, Aruban soldiers, FBI agents and even Dutch F-16 jets with special equipment.

Although the pond next to a popular soccer field in northwest Aruba has been searched before, the missing girl's father, Dave Holloway, hired Golba again because a witness last year alleged he saw the only remaining suspect, Joran van der Sloot, coming out of its brackish water with only one sneaker on after Natalee's disappearance.

Croes said Aruban volunteers have been helping Golba, who has searched for Holloway eight times before, with his latest search at the request of the Aruba Prosecutors' Office. He said it was done out of "courtesy" for the aching Holloway family.

"I can understand, of course, that when you lose someone like this that you want to keep looking," Croes said.

Dave Holloway could not immediately be reached at his home in Meridian, Mississippi.

Ann Angela, a spokeswoman for the Aruba Prosecutors' Office, has said neither police nor prosecutors have any new information in the case, but they gave Dave Holloway permission to search the pond, which is about a mile (kilometer) away from where his daughter was last seen.

In early January, Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos said his office was "approaching the end of this lengthy investigation" and appealed to the public for help.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 30, 2009, 10:16:08 PM
Clipped from Klaas's article posted above:

Croes said Aruban volunteers have been helping Golba, who has searched for Holloway eight times before, with his latest search at the request of the Aruba Prosecutors' Office. He said it was done out of "courtesy" for the aching Holloway family.

WTH, I thought Dave paid for this search?   At the request of the Aruba Prosecutor's office?  I hope this is the last time this bunch gets away with this.  Sick.

And I don't believe this guy every stuck his arm up to his elbows in the mud.  Total waste of time and money. Dave's money.  Caps, I hope you are happy putting this man through this. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 30, 2009, 10:21:20 PM
Thank You Art and KTF!! I hear you can't get banned in the first month of quitting smoking   just a little rumor I made up!!   ::MonkeyRoll::


Hi Mytime!  Glad you are feeling better!  I haven't had any contact with Jen Hale.  Magnolia's report of her friend's viewing of the news report with Tim Miller leaves little room for doubt, imo, that he really did say all of it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 10:33:43 PM

The red highlight is my doing.

Janet

++++++

Janet:

Texas Equusearch Dispels Media Reports Concerning Natalle Holloway Case
Posted on 26. Mar, 2009 by Admin, TES in Featured Articles, Press Releases, TES News


Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch is working hard to dispel media reports concerning the Natalee Holloway case.  Reports have surfaced today that Texas EquuSearch has collected $1.5 million to continue the search for Natalee, which is entirely untrue.

Also untrue is the report that Tim was traveling to Aruba with Fred Golba.  This has not been the first time that media has printed false reports regarding TES cases, to include the Caylee Anthony case.

This is the worst year financially for Texas EquuSearch since it began.  We are struggling on a daily basis to try to meet the needs of families across the country that are begging for help.  In these tough economic times, this false, irresponsible reporting could have a very negative impact on our ability to raise funds which go to serve families of the missing” said Miller.  “When the public hear that we have raised that large amount of money to dedicate to one search, they are not going to be willing to donate to our cause of finding missing people.  We are at a point of not being able to support the families that really need us, and when something like this happens, it is just devastating”. “We would not even attempt to raise that amount of money for just one case with so many families awaiting our help.
 
http://texasequusearch.org/2009/03/hollowaycase/


Jen Hale:

Dear Janet,
 
I have indeed spoken with Tim about the announcement on his website. It is very odd --- as that information is exactly what he told me. I don't know if you are in the Birmingham area, but he did a phone interview with us where he laid out the search, the boat, the price tag and said it would all happen in the next few months. He told viewers that himself on our air. I am horribly sorry if that has hurt donations or caused large donors to pull back...which is why I have taken the article off of our website. I have considered putting the whole phone interview on the internet to somehow vindicate myself so to speak, as I know people are upset.... but after speaking with Tim, he is convinced this whole thing has hurt donations, and I would never want to damage the chances of someone finding their loved one. I hope he will consider doing another interview and clarifying, but we'll just have to see how that turns out.
 
Thank you for your time and interest,
 
Warm Regards,
Jennifer Hale


Janet:

Jen ... thank you for your heartfelt response.  It was appreciated.
 
BTW ...  Please stop and consider the following article quoting Julie Renfro when using her as a source for your reporting.  It is the contention of many who have followed the Natalee Holloway case since the getgo that Julia Renfro has an agenda.  Her agenda appears to be an effort to further the Aruban coverup that has denied justice to Natalee Holloway since the getgo by redirecting the focus and subtlely casting doubt on Beth Holloway's every word, action and motivation as well as Natalee's character.
 
Julia Renfro also upholds the main suspects who have lied time and time again in regards to the last moments they were in the company of the 18 year old American citizen who never returned from a graduation trip to Aruba.
 
Tim Miller?  Jen ... I do believe there is a solid foundation for your reporting.  I believe that Tim Miller slipped up.  Think about it.  In the posting on his website ...Tim Miller does not deny a continuing ocean search for Natalee Holloway's remains is going to happen ... he just wants to distance himself from the 1.5 million in donations.  Could it be those funds were donated to John Silvetti ... the owner of the boat which is moored in Trinidad.
 
I believe you should post the transcript of Tim Miller's words.
 
Again ... thank you for your response.
 
Sincerely
 
Janet

+++++++

Originally published June 9, 2007 at 12:00 AM | Page modified June 9, 2007 at 2:02 AM

As missing-teen case cools, Aruba turns against family

Arubans helped search for the Alabama high-schooler, who disappeared two years ago, but now they're embittered by the negative publicity.

By Carol J. Williams
Los Angeles Times


American Julia Renfro, editor-in-chief of Aruba Today, initially sided with Holloway's parents when they sought publicity and lambasted Aruban police for following Dutch investigative procedures different from those in the United States.

Galvanized by compassion for a desperate mother, Renfro stopped the presses of her daily newspaper for the first time in its history to include a picture of Holloway to aid Arubans in the islandwide search.
 
Renfro, a mother of four, spent weeks shuttling the family from the scene of one rumored development to another, but she became disenchanted with what she saw as Twitty's pandering to tabloid TV and "flat-out lies" she told on the air.
 
"I feel guilty saying any negative thing about a mother who has lost her daughter," Renfro said. "But her behavior was odd from the get-go."
 
Renfro has concluded that the body would have turned up by now if she died on the island proper. She -- and many Arubans -- doubts the three suspects, all good students without criminal records, could have pulled off a perfect crime, never caving in to intense interrogations.
 
"I've spoken with all of the suspects," she said. "I don't believe any of them did anything to her."
 
Heavily intoxicated, according to accounts given by her classmates to the FBI, Holloway could have staggered into the sea and drowned after the local men left her, Renfro speculated.
 
Holloway might have died of alcohol poisoning or a drug overdose and washed out to sea, as Deputy Police Chief Gerold Dompig surmised. She might have climbed aboard one of dozens of catamarans and cabin cruisers for late-night partying after a nearby concert.
 
Renfro says she was perplexed when Twitty immediately concluded that her daughter had been kidnapped and made no effort to check hospitals or police about accident victims. Within hours, Twitty had concluded van der Sloot was responsible, and within a couple of days she was telling TV interviewers that she knew her daughter had been gang-raped and murdered.
 
Twitty did not respond to e-mailed requests for an interview.
 
The Seattle Times
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003741183_aruba09.html


Jen Hale:

Thank you! I appreciate your concern and dedication to Natalee's case.
 
God Bless,
Jennifer Hale


Mytime ... the above is the dilogue that I had with Jen Hale.

Janet






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 10:34:56 PM
Clipped from Klaas's article posted above:

Croes said Aruban volunteers have been helping Golba, who has searched for Holloway eight times before, with his latest search at the request of the Aruba Prosecutors' Office. He said it was done out of "courtesy" for the aching Holloway family.

WTH, I thought Dave paid for this search?   At the request of the Aruba Prosecutor's office?  I hope this is the last time this bunch gets away with this.  Sick.

And I don't believe this guy every stuck his arm up to his elbows in the mud.  Total waste of time and money. Dave's money.  Caps, I hope you are happy putting this man through this. 

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: mytime on March 30, 2009, 10:39:56 PM
Thank You Janet and Lifesong!!  Hmmmmm??   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 30, 2009, 10:41:55 PM
I found this.  Kermit probably already has it.


Aruban Workers' Federation
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  (Redirected from Federación de Trabajadores Arubanos)

FTA Aruban Workers' Federation
Federación de Trabajadores Arubanos
Country Aruba
Affiliation ITUC
Key people José Rodolfo Geerman, president
Juan Giron, secretary general
Office location San Nicolas, Aruba
 
The Aruban Workers' Federation (FTA) is a national trade union center in Aruba.

It is affiliated with the International Trade Union Confederation.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 10:42:52 PM
Dear Janet,
 
I have indeed spoken with Tim about the announcement on his website. It is very odd --- as that information is exactly what he told me. I don't know if you are in the Birmingham area, but he did a phone interview with us where he laid out the search, the boat, the price tag and said it would all happen in the next few months. He told viewers that himself on our air. I am horribly sorry if that has hurt donations or caused large donors to pull back...which is why I have taken the article off of our website. I have considered putting the whole phone interview on the internet to somehow vindicate myself so to speak, as I know people are upset.... but after speaking with Tim, he is convinced this whole thing has hurt donations, and I would never want to damage the chances of someone finding their loved one. I hope he will consider doing another interview and clarifying, but we'll just have to see how that turns out.
 
Thank you for your time and interest,
 
Warm Regards,
Jennifer Hale


Why would being honest about another search for Natalee Holloway hurt his donations?I will wait and see how this turns out.It would be a shame if Tim Miller goes back down with Silvetti..I will utterly be disappointed to say the least..TRUTH WILL REVEAL ITSELF IN TIME...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 30, 2009, 10:44:15 PM
Thank You Janet and Lifesong!!  Hmmmmm??   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

Sorry you have been sickly but I am glad you are better, mytime.  I wondered where you were.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 10:46:15 PM
My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth.  I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

So POOCHY/DAPHNE, now that I understand how you feel I don't think I can tolerate seeing your posts here.



Klaas

You and Private Eye are on the same page in regards to those sincerely seeking justice for Natalee Holloway who are attempting to reach that objective working along side of those who have prevented justice from prevailing since the getgo.

Whether the enemy who possesses the Aruban agenda is Mark Purcell or the ALE ... the principle applies.

Janet

_______


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


private eye
 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #690 on: March 13, 2008, 06:56:18 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756

I don't believe that Kyle or anyone else is allowed to review the case documents, according to the policy of the prosecutors office. I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains. So I am not sure why they have been lured into defending the work of the Aruban authorities or a discussion of the validity of the investigation as they are not knowledgeable as to the investigation, other than what they have been told by these Arubans. There are an awful lot of highly educated people who have been chumped by people of far less formal education. A well trained police force is not thwarted by a grieving mother and the media.

And Kyle, I by no means am being disrespectful, I think you are brilliant, sincerely. But I don't think your education or work experience has prepared you for a cover up by these types of people. And I think you may be severely underestimating the education, experience, and wisdom of the monkeys and other coverup believers. Don't let them make a fool of you. We need you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28
« Reply #897 on: December 30, 2007, 06:30:32 PM »
 

They will have dateline onboard and I understand that they were involved in the Titantic so I assume they have the expertise to preserve any remains or artifacts and have a protocol. They can always find and locate it, call for assistance and then retrieve it. But that is my fear that they imediately turn it over to Aruba where her remains can become that of a large crab:)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.880


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: camochance on March 30, 2009, 10:47:53 PM
It's been nearly 5 years since I posted but I have to say that after "hanging in the rafters" for this long, and believe me it's daily, I sincerely appreciate all every monkey is doing. It breaks my heart to see the ugliness that is published, especially since I know many people who care deeply for Beth, Jug, Dave etc. read any word hoping for a new glimmer of light.  Just a thank you and continued hope for truth, civility and love.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 10:48:02 PM
My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth.  I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

So POOCHY/DAPHNE, now that I understand how you feel I don't think I can tolerate seeing your posts here.



Klaas

You and Private Eye are on the same page in regards to those sincerely seeking justice for Natalee Holloway who are attempting to reach that objective working along side of those who have prevented justice from prevailing since the getgo.

Whether the enemy who possesses the Aruban agenda is Mark Purcell or the ALE ... the principle applies.

Janet

_______


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


private eye
 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #690 on: March 13, 2008, 06:56:18 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756

I don't believe that Kyle or anyone else is allowed to review the case documents, according to the policy of the prosecutors office. I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains. So I am not sure why they have been lured into defending the work of the Aruban authorities or a discussion of the validity of the investigation as they are not knowledgeable as to the investigation, other than what they have been told by these Arubans. There are an awful lot of highly educated people who have been chumped by people of far less formal education. A well trained police force is not thwarted by a grieving mother and the media.

And Kyle, I by no means am being disrespectful, I think you are brilliant, sincerely. But I don't think your education or work experience has prepared you for a cover up by these types of people. And I think you may be severely underestimating the education, experience, and wisdom of the monkeys and other coverup believers. Don't let them make a fool of you. We need you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28
« Reply #897 on: December 30, 2007, 06:30:32 PM »
 

They will have dateline onboard and I understand that they were involved in the Titantic so I assume they have the expertise to preserve any remains or artifacts and have a protocol. They can always find and locate it, call for assistance and then retrieve it. But that is my fear that they imediately turn it over to Aruba where her remains can become that of a large crab:)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.880


LOGIC DICTATES JANET   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 10:49:15 PM
You know, this situation with Fred Golba searching a pond that the TES group already did the side scan sonar in reminds me of the Caylee Anthony case.

Leonard Padilla wanted to search the Econ River after TES had already done a side scan sonar search and found nothing.  In Tim's judgement it was a waste of time and Caylee wasn't there.  Tim was right of course and LP was wrong.

In Aruba Tim is not "for" this current search of the pond because it's already been searched by sonar, it dries up every year and it's been 4 years and nothing has appeared in all that time from that pond.  I suspect Tim is right again.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 10:50:20 PM
It's been nearly 5 years since I posted but I have to say that after "hanging in the rafters" for this long, and believe me it's daily, I sincerely appreciate all every monkey is doing. It breaks my heart to see the ugliness that is published, especially since I know many people who care deeply for Beth, Jug, Dave etc. read any word hoping for a new glimmer of light.  Just a thank you and continued hope for truth, civility and love.

Wow, you have been a LONG TIME lurker  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 30, 2009, 10:54:17 PM
You know, this situation with Fred Golba searching a pond that the TES group already did the side scan sonar in reminds me of the Caylee Anthony case.

Leonard Padilla wanted to search the Econ River after TES had already done a side scan sonar search and found nothing.  In Tim's judgement it was a waste of time and Caylee wasn't there.  Tim was right of course and LP was wrong.

In Aruba Tim is not "for" this current search of the pond because it's already been searched by sonar, it dries up every year and it's been 4 years and nothing has appeared in all that time from that pond.  I suspect Tim is right again.

I think Tim is right about the pond search also.  Do you think there has been a misunderstanding
between Dave and Tim?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 30, 2009, 10:54:27 PM
It's been nearly 5 years since I posted but I have to say that after "hanging in the rafters" for this long, and believe me it's daily, I sincerely appreciate all every monkey is doing. It breaks my heart to see the ugliness that is published, especially since I know many people who care deeply for Beth, Jug, Dave etc. read any word hoping for a new glimmer of light.  Just a thank you and continued hope for truth, civility and love.

Ho Camochance, glad you came down from the rafters.  Monkeys do truly care for Natalee and her family.  I for one (as are others) do stand with her and her family.  I have to admit I stand with Beth also and I will always say "It ain't over til Beth says it's over".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 10:57:19 PM

LOGIC DICTATES JANET   ::MonkeyDance::

 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Rob on March 30, 2009, 11:13:36 PM
It's been almost FOUR years since Natalee was abducted and murdered on that death trap known as Aruba... not Five.. but she's been gone a long time none the less.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2009, 11:15:35 PM
Hi Texasmom

Thank you for all the work you quietly do behind the scene bringing all those Dutch articles to both the Natalee Holloway Discussion thread as well as the Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba thread.  It is weird but ... I can somehow get the drift of most articles that are not in English.  I guess it had to happen following almost four years.

Anyways ... a game or two of Scrabble awaits.

Good Night Monkeys!!  Good Night Zookeepers!!  

It is Laughing Girl's bedtime.  She bids you all "Good Night".

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

Janet
8:15 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 30, 2009, 11:15:48 PM
I've sat back tonight just biting my tongue. The UNMITIGATED GALL of Debbie coming here and accusing us is just mind blowing. That whole site of hers is nothing but a conduit to facilitate the bashing of Beth.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2009, 11:17:34 PM
I've sat back tonight just biting my tongue. The UNMITIGATED GALL of Debbie coming here and accusing us is just mind blowing. That whole site of hers is nothing but a conduit to facilitate the bashing of Beth.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

As a wise Monkey once said "BRING IT"... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 30, 2009, 11:27:34 PM
It's been nearly 5 years since I posted but I have to say that after "hanging in the rafters" for this long, and believe me it's daily, I sincerely appreciate all every monkey is doing. It breaks my heart to see the ugliness that is published, especially since I know many people who care deeply for Beth, Jug, Dave etc. read any word hoping for a new glimmer of light.  Just a thank you and continued hope for truth, civility and love.

I have seen you signed in and here with us.  Thank you for being here and helping us support Natalee and her family, camochance.  You have a voice, so don't be shy. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 30, 2009, 11:32:21 PM
I've sat back tonight just biting my tongue. The UNMITIGATED GALL of Debbie coming here and accusing us is just mind blowing. That whole site of hers is nothing but a conduit to facilitate the bashing of Beth.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


And never one word about all those things that Kyle Kingman said, either!

Refuge for those who stalk and bash monkeys as well. 

I have YET to see one of those attacking monkeys EXPLAIN why Kyle said all of that if it is not true.

Attacking the posters instead of the content of the posts is cheap and easy but not one person has refuted what Kyle said.  Not one.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2009, 11:32:36 PM
Hi Texasmom

Thank you for all the work you quietly do behind the scene bringing all those Dutch articles to both the Natalee Holloway Discussion thread as well as the Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba thread.  It is weird but ... I can somehow get the drift of most articles that are not in English.  I guess it had to happen following almost four years.

Anyways ... a game or two of Scrabble awaits.

Good Night Monkeys!!  Good Night Zookeepers!!  

It is Laughing Girl's bedtime.  She bids you all "Good Night".

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

Janet
8:15 PM PT

Hi Janet, and thank you for the compliment!  Our laughing girl has once again put a smile on my face, of all the hundreds of pics I've saved...she's the best!  Thank you for bringing her by, I needed to smile!  

Good Night Janet (and laughing girl)!   ::MonkeyCool::

P.S.  You know I just had a thought....we keep calling her a girl....what if?  ::MonkeyShocked::
Oh well, no matter...girl or boy....that precious face is still the same!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2009, 11:34:33 PM
It's been nearly 5 years since I posted but I have to say that after "hanging in the rafters" for this long, and believe me it's daily, I sincerely appreciate all every monkey is doing. It breaks my heart to see the ugliness that is published, especially since I know many people who care deeply for Beth, Jug, Dave etc. read any word hoping for a new glimmer of light.  Just a thank you and continued hope for truth, civility and love.

Thanks for posting tonight camochance!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 30, 2009, 11:40:24 PM
I'm out, early, tonight.  A close friend passed away today.  I'm struggling and not going to contribute much. 

G'nite.  See you later. 

Justice for Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 30, 2009, 11:42:12 PM
Magnolia, Lifesong, Anna, Klaas and every Monkey

Early Saturday morning, I became very sick!  I spent all weekend and most of today in bed!  I was unable to follow through with Jen Hale as I had planned!  Did any of you contact her?  I am sorry that I was not able to, I could not even get my head off my  pillow.  (Silver lining is -  it has been 3 days without a cigarette  ::MonkeyWink:: )



I hope you feel better soon. I know people are very free with advice about when you are sick and I can't help giving advice, too. Half the misery you feel when you are sick is from dehydration so be sure to drink lots of plain water - not soda, not coffee, but just plain water.

Also, if you have an upset tummy, if someone can go get you flat unleavened matzo (it's like a giant square saltine cracker but without any salt on it - very flat tasting) and if you nibble it with your front teeth in as tiny miniscule bites as you can possibly manage and you do it very slowly so it takes a long time, by the time you finish that cracker, your tummy should feel better. But, if you've been throwing up, you shouldn't have ANYTHING for at least 12-18 hours. Only water to rinse your mouth and keep it moist but don't even drink lots of water at that point.

I don't know how true this is because it just doesn't make sense to me but I deal with lots of nurses and doctors (I am my 92-yr-old mother's sole caregiver) and a nurse told me that nausea can actually be caused/made worse by an empty stomach so the matzo cracker idea would fit right in with her advice.

Plenty of rest and lots of naps also help but if you have chest congestion, don't lie flat. It's better to prop yourself up at the end of a sofa.

Take really, really good care of yourself and here's a little something to perk you up  (http://home.att.net/~i_write_screenplays/Cheeky_nb.gif) (it is an image file but just a tiny bit racier than PG-rated so I'm not posting the actual picture here*).

So, here's a picture I made for you:

(http://home.att.net/~i_write_screenplays/getwell1.jpg)

*Ha ha ha ha... how many of you clicked that link? LOL.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: San on March 30, 2009, 11:45:29 PM
I'm out, early, tonight.  A close friend passed away today.  I'm struggling and not going to contribute much. 

G'nite.  See you later. 

Justice for Natalee.

Have a good night 2NJSon.  Sorry to hear about your friend.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 30, 2009, 11:48:04 PM
I'm out, early, tonight.  A close friend passed away today.  I'm struggling and not going to contribute much. 

G'nite.  See you later. 

Justice for Natalee.

I am sorry for your loss, 2NJ.  It is hard to lose a close friend.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 11:48:24 PM
Oldie - that will definately make Mytime feel better  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2009, 11:49:13 PM
I'm out, early, tonight.  A close friend passed away today.  I'm struggling and not going to contribute much. 

G'nite.  See you later. 

Justice for Natalee.

Sorry for your loss 2NJ, don't worry about this place. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2009, 11:53:49 PM
I'm out, early, tonight.  A close friend passed away today.  I'm struggling and not going to contribute much. 

G'nite.  See you later. 

Justice for Natalee.

I'm so sorry about the loss of your friend. 

God Bless and Good Night 2NJ.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: wreck on March 30, 2009, 11:53:53 PM
Magnolia, Lifesong, Anna, Klaas and every Monkey

Early Saturday morning, I became very sick!  I spent all weekend and most of today in bed!  I was unable to follow through with Jen Hale as I had planned!  Did any of you contact her?  I am sorry that I was not able to, I could not even get my head off my  pillow.  (Silver lining is -  it has been 3 days without a cigarette  ::MonkeyWink:: )



I hope you feel better soon. I know people are very free with advice about when you are sick and I can't help giving advice, too. Half the misery you feel when you are sick is from dehydration so be sure to drink lots of plain water - not soda, not coffee, but just plain water.

Also, if you have an upset tummy, if someone can go get you flat unleavened matzo (it's like a giant square saltine cracker but without any salt on it - very flat tasting) and if you nibble it with your front teeth in as tiny miniscule bites as you can possibly manage and you do it very slowly so it takes a long time, by the time you finish that cracker, your tummy should feel better. But, if you've been throwing up, you shouldn't have ANYTHING for at least 12-18 hours. Only water to rinse your mouth and keep it moist but don't even drink lots of water at that point.

I don't know how true this is because it just doesn't make sense to me but I deal with lots of nurses and doctors (I am my 92-yr-old mother's sole caregiver) and a nurse told me that nausea can actually be caused/made worse by an empty stomach so the matzo cracker idea would fit right in with her advice.

Plenty of rest and lots of naps also help but if you have chest congestion, don't lie flat. It's better to prop yourself up at the end of a sofa.

Take really, really good care of yourself and here's a little something to perk you up  (http://home.att.net/~i_write_screenplays/Cheeky_nb.gif) (it is an image file but just a tiny bit racier than PG-rated so I'm not posting the actual picture here*).

So, here's a picture I made for you:

(http://home.att.net/~i_write_screenplays/getwell1.jpg)

*Ha ha ha ha... how many of you clicked that link? LOL.
I thought there was rule against posting member's pictures here?!?  Please remove my pic.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2009, 11:58:47 PM
Magnolia, Lifesong, Anna, Klaas and every Monkey

Early Saturday morning, I became very sick!  I spent all weekend and most of today in bed!  I was unable to follow through with Jen Hale as I had planned!  Did any of you contact her?  I am sorry that I was not able to, I could not even get my head off my  pillow.  (Silver lining is -  it has been 3 days without a cigarette  ::MonkeyWink:: )



I hope you feel better soon. I know people are very free with advice about when you are sick and I can't help giving advice, too. Half the misery you feel when you are sick is from dehydration so be sure to drink lots of plain water - not soda, not coffee, but just plain water.

Also, if you have an upset tummy, if someone can go get you flat unleavened matzo (it's like a giant square saltine cracker but without any salt on it - very flat tasting) and if you nibble it with your front teeth in as tiny miniscule bites as you can possibly manage and you do it very slowly so it takes a long time, by the time you finish that cracker, your tummy should feel better. But, if you've been throwing up, you shouldn't have ANYTHING for at least 12-18 hours. Only water to rinse your mouth and keep it moist but don't even drink lots of water at that point.

I don't know how true this is because it just doesn't make sense to me but I deal with lots of nurses and doctors (I am my 92-yr-old mother's sole caregiver) and a nurse told me that nausea can actually be caused/made worse by an empty stomach so the matzo cracker idea would fit right in with her advice.

Plenty of rest and lots of naps also help but if you have chest congestion, don't lie flat. It's better to prop yourself up at the end of a sofa.

Take really, really good care of yourself and here's a little something to perk you up  (http://home.att.net/~i_write_screenplays/Cheeky_nb.gif) (it is an image file but just a tiny bit racier than PG-rated so I'm not posting the actual picture here*).

So, here's a picture I made for you:

(http://home.att.net/~i_write_screenplays/getwell1.jpg)

*Ha ha ha ha... how many of you clicked that link? LOL.
I thought there was rule against posting member's pictures here?!?  Please remove my pic.  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 30, 2009, 11:59:07 PM
I thought there was rule against posting member's pictures here?!?  Please remove my pic.  ::MonkeyCool::

Next time, don't sign the model release form.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 30, 2009, 11:59:30 PM
Wreck,  You are too well behaved!

You should show your backside more often. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: can on March 31, 2009, 12:02:01 AM
I'm out, early, tonight.  A close friend passed away today.  I'm struggling and not going to contribute much. 

G'nite.  See you later. 

Justice for Natalee.

Good night 2NJSons_Mom.
So sorry to hear about your close friends passing.  God bless.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 31, 2009, 12:02:16 AM
Wreck,  You are too well behaved!

You should show your backside more often. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Ever notice it's always the one who shouldn't that do that.  And the people who run around nude are always the ones who should keep their clothing on at all times!

But if Blah were here, I am sure he would say that model is gay!  He always did about all the good looking men.


 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 31, 2009, 12:03:14 AM
I'm out, early, tonight.  A close friend passed away today.  I'm struggling and not going to contribute much. 

G'nite.  See you later. 

Justice for Natalee.


Good nite, 2NJ, and I am sorry for your loss.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 31, 2009, 12:11:24 AM
I am waiting to see if there are any late nite updates on the search today.

Anyone hear anything?  Was not mentioned on my local news here in north Alabama.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on March 31, 2009, 12:26:53 AM
This was posted earlier. Can we keep this link around? Good reading.

http://bustarubamisinfo.blogspot.com/

Is Charlie, as the crow flies, Croes believed to be an identity and helper of CLW?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 31, 2009, 12:30:41 AM
I am waiting to see if there are any late nite updates on the search today.

Anyone hear anything?  Was not mentioned on my local news here in north Alabama.

Nothing in tomorrow's Awe Mainta.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: mytime on March 31, 2009, 12:33:34 AM
Magnolia, Lifesong, Anna, Klaas and every Monkey

Early Saturday morning, I became very sick!  I spent all weekend and most of today in bed!  I was unable to follow through with Jen Hale as I had planned!  Did any of you contact her?  I am sorry that I was not able to, I could not even get my head off my  pillow.  (Silver lining is -  it has been 3 days without a cigarette  ::MonkeyWink:: )



I hope you feel better soon. I know people are very free with advice about when you are sick and I can't help giving advice, too. Half the misery you feel when you are sick is from dehydration so be sure to drink lots of plain water - not soda, not coffee, but just plain water.

Also, if you have an upset tummy, if someone can go get you flat unleavened matzo (it's like a giant square saltine cracker but without any salt on it - very flat tasting) and if you nibble it with your front teeth in as tiny miniscule bites as you can possibly manage and you do it very slowly so it takes a long time, by the time you finish that cracker, your tummy should feel better. But, if you've been throwing up, you shouldn't have ANYTHING for at least 12-18 hours. Only water to rinse your mouth and keep it moist but don't even drink lots of water at that point.

I don't know how true this is because it just doesn't make sense to me but I deal with lots of nurses and doctors (I am my 92-yr-old mother's sole caregiver) and a nurse told me that nausea can actually be caused/made worse by an empty stomach so the matzo cracker idea would fit right in with her advice.

Plenty of rest and lots of naps also help but if you have chest congestion, don't lie flat. It's better to prop yourself up at the end of a sofa.

Take really, really good care of yourself and here's a little something to perk you up  (http://home.att.net/~i_write_screenplays/Cheeky_nb.gif) (it is an image file but just a tiny bit racier than PG-rated so I'm not posting the actual picture here*).

So, here's a picture I made for you:

(http://home.att.net/~i_write_screenplays/getwell1.jpg)

*Ha ha ha ha... how many of you clicked that link? LOL.


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Thank you Oldiesbutgoodie!!  I feel so much better already!!   ::MonkeyWink::

Would you please bring that link to musings!!   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 31, 2009, 12:40:47 AM
This was posted earlier. Can we keep this link around? Good reading.

http://bustarubamisinfo.blogspot.com/

Is Charlie, as the crow flies, Croes believed to be an identity and helper of CLW?

That is an interesting read. Did you check out the link someone left in comments there? Its very good and very funny!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 31, 2009, 12:54:32 AM
This was posted earlier. Can we keep this link around? Good reading.

http://bustarubamisinfo.blogspot.com/

Is Charlie, as the crow flies, Croes believed to be an identity and helper of CLW?

That is an interesting read. Did you check out the link someone left in comments there? Its very good and very funny!


This one, Art?   Yes, it is entertaining.

http://internetforumwars.blogspot.com/2009/03/shango-tango.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 31, 2009, 12:55:40 AM
This was posted earlier. Can we keep this link around? Good reading.

http://bustarubamisinfo.blogspot.com/

Is Charlie, as the crow flies, Croes believed to be an identity and helper of CLW?

That is an interesting read. Did you check out the link someone left in comments there? Its very good and very funny!


This one, Art?   Yes, it is entertaining.

http://internetforumwars.blogspot.com/2009/03/shango-tango.html

Yes, Anna, lol. I had to laugh when I saw that. Somebody has a sense of humor ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on March 31, 2009, 12:57:39 AM
Until posted, I had never read in print the nature and extent of the realtionship between Robin and presumably Dave) with the likes of Renfro, Mark Purcell, and others !!! Simply beyond comprehension !!!

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Dave seems like the type that never wants to piss someone off. A neutral, make no enemies kind-a-guy.
He may have needed to kiss some ass to make progress in the past, but come on...

They have (figuratively): spit in his face, slapped him in the face, punched him in the gut, and kicked him in the nuts at every chance given.  Maybe I am missing something...  ::MonkeyConfused::

If another ocean search is conducted, it seems almost sickening and unfair.  ::MonkeyWaa::

It seems fairly apparent, at a bare minimum, that something was in the trap that Aruba did not care to share with others. Putting two and two and two and two together: Aruba is surrounded by water, Joran has mentioned disposing of NH at sea, the exact thing they were looking for - a crab trap in the ocean - was found, trained experts on the boat noticed a skull and fabric in the trap, members of the crew were removed for liability reasons, police divers covertly arrived on the scene to collect contents and left without saying bye-bye, images surfaced of ziplock baggies in trap, secretly shopped network deals, and the stalling of handing over evidence to be tested by the FBI. So.....................

How could they be letting these people do all these new searches when they certainly know the whereabouts of the body? It sisquite sadistic and cruel to the family. But, go figure...It seems to be a publicity stunt designed to somehow "make them look like they are sincerely helping." I guess so; they know nothing will be found. If they really want answers, they could probably ask some of their own (ALE). They probably assisted in the disposal of the body as well as the clean-up of crime scene(s), evidence collection, and search warrant suppressions.  

Having said all that, I would be all ears if someone had incinerator evidence. But if the incinerator theory were true, what was such a damn secret about the findings of the trap if it were not NH?

My ramblings...







 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2009, 01:02:15 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/b6XsHPH0Ab8&hl=en&fs=1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2009, 01:04:40 AM
The site is too dangerous to use the cadaver dog, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::   Wow, Golba really does his homework  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on March 31, 2009, 01:06:13 AM
The site is too dangerous to use the cadaver dog, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::   Wow, Golba really does his homework  ::MonkeyRoll::

Jeesh. What a farce  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 31, 2009, 01:06:37 AM
She said that anything found will be handed over to ALE.

Also that another pond and strip of land is going to be searched.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2009, 01:06:41 AM
The site is too dangerous to use the cadaver dog, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::   Wow, Golba really does his homework  ::MonkeyRoll::

Claims he's going to stay on a few more days to search another pond and another strip of land  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2009, 01:07:42 AM
The site is too dangerous to use the cadaver dog, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::   Wow, Golba really does his homework  ::MonkeyRoll::

Claims he's going to stay on a few more days to search another pond and another strip of land  ::MonkeyCool::

Go to the rocks I say!  Go to the Moko near Joran's house in Montanja.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 31, 2009, 01:12:53 AM
Maybe he will search where Jonathan wanted him to? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 31, 2009, 01:20:33 AM
Thanks, Klaas.  Interesting. . . tune in tomorrow to see the latest developments.

Goodnite, all!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 31, 2009, 01:23:05 AM



Thanks Klaas!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 31, 2009, 01:23:52 AM
Thanks, Klaas.  Interesting. . . tune in tomorrow to see the latest developments.

Goodnite, all!



Good Night Anna!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2009, 01:31:14 AM
Well I'm off to play a few games then calling it a nite.  Goodnight all!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 31, 2009, 01:46:42 AM
Well I'm off to play a few games then calling it a nite.  Goodnight all!
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Your back Klaas..Games get tha best of ya! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 31, 2009, 02:03:27 AM
Alone in the cage.................................................................................................

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
 ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::
 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::
 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
 ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

BAD KTF.BAD KTF.BAD KTF.BAD KTF.BAD KTF.BAD KTF.BAD KTF.BAD KTF.BAD KTF...



Did,did,did,did i just say BILLB...... ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

GOODNIGHT SCARED MONKEY'S..JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 31, 2009, 02:04:50 AM
Where you be BILLB????We can't Stackalack the end of these threads without you............... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 31, 2009, 02:07:38 AM
Where you be BILLB????We can't Stackalack the end of these threads without you............... ::MonkeyTongue::

If i STACK 5 pages by myself!

1.I'll be passed out from all the stacks
2.I'll wake up to a BIG white screen that say's KTF...YOUR FIRED....OK BANNNED..Klaas could start her own reality show like Donald Trump and say "YOU'RE BANNED"......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 31, 2009, 02:08:51 AM
Where you be BILLB????We can't Stackalack the end of these threads without you............... ::MonkeyTongue::

If i STACK 5 pages by myself!

1.I'll be passed out from all the stacks
2.I'll wake up to a BIG white screen that say's KTF...YOUR FIRED....OK BANNNED..Klaas could start her own reality show like Donald Trump and say "YOU'RE BANNED"......

Mere...If you tell on me!I'll get Billb and Wreck to handle it....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 31, 2009, 02:10:49 AM
                              JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

                                  GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS

                                           KEEPTHEFAITH



                                                     ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 31, 2009, 02:25:24 AM
Good Night KTF...can't leave you alone for five minutes!   ::MonkeyRoll::

::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 31, 2009, 02:27:17 AM
Well I'm off to play a few games then calling it a nite.  Goodnight all!

Good Night Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 31, 2009, 02:28:37 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 31, 2009, 05:36:27 AM
The site is too dangerous to use the cadaver dog, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::   Wow, Golba really does his homework  ::MonkeyRoll::


I don't get it...about Golba...r u bein sarcastic Klass?

Buckshot NICE POST.  Well said!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 31, 2009, 08:24:00 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blonde on March 31, 2009, 09:14:53 AM
I'm out, early, tonight.  A close friend passed away today.  I'm struggling and not going to contribute much. 

G'nite.  See you later. 

Justice for Natalee.

Good night 2NJSons_Mom.
So sorry to hear about your close friends passing.  God bless.
I'm so sorry
I do know how you feel, I'm still having trouble contributing. 

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2009, 09:28:00 AM
The site is too dangerous to use the cadaver dog, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::   Wow, Golba really does his homework  ::MonkeyRoll::


I don't get it...about Golba...r u bein sarcastic Klass?

Buckshot NICE POST.  Well said!


Yes FOM, I was being sarcastic about Golba.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 31, 2009, 09:32:44 AM
TY KLass....I am trying to keep up here....
any more news from Aruba?

I almost went there 2 weeks ago on a whim.  that woulda been funny..FOM reporting from the pool with her Youtube video & streaming live to ScaredMonkeys.... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2009, 09:34:24 AM
TY KLass....I am trying to keep up here....
any more news from Aruba?

I almost went there 2 weeks ago on a whim.  that woulda been funny..FOM reporting from the pool with her Youtube video & streaming live to ScaredMonkeys.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  OMG, that would have been great!  Nothing yet this morning but it's early for me yet.  I haven't checked all the sites.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 31, 2009, 09:34:32 AM
oops..i mean from the POND    lol
i've had a pool and a man on the brain since Jan...sorry


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 31, 2009, 09:35:40 AM


I cannot believe that this site has dropped to the point of slamming not only Natalee's step-mother but also her father.  It was bad enough when members here were slandering the crew of the Persistence, but to go this far tells me it is time to ask for my membership to be removed.

I do not want my name associated with SM at all and I cannot believe SM members have forgotten that using Natalee's name does not give anyone the right to say some of the things that have been said. What a sad commentary on all of you and this site.



Wow!!

It's like deja vu!

I remember a time a few years ago, when a particular site not only approved of members who trashed Natalee, Beth, Jug, and yes Dave Holloway - but went so far as to shun those who dared speak out against it.

Turned its back on those who wondered about the relationship Natalee's step-mother has with the people doing the trashing of her husband and the rest of the family.

The Admin at that site went so far as to uphold the people doing these things, right alongside Natalee's step-mother.

There is a HUGE difference in what goes on here at SM, versus what went on at BFN before it had its mass exodus (and still goes on today?).

KYLE KINGMAN is the one who exposed what went on with the Persistence in Aruba.
KYLE KINGMAN is the one who let us know about Silvetti turning his back on (and a blind eye to) the cage they found, its contents, and what Aruba did with all of it.

No one here is trashing Natalee or any member of her family.

No one here is upholding those who seemingly wish them ill.  Quite the contrary - SM has pointed out the snakes in the midst of this family's quest for answers.

It was a very sad day indeed, when many realized BFN cannot say the same.

Debbie - you may wish to re-read your words posted here, and take a look back at what YOU have allowed to be done to Natalee and her family at your site.

I'm flabbergasted at the hypocrisy.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 31, 2009, 09:48:02 AM
2NJ -

I am so sorry for your loss!  :smt049


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on March 31, 2009, 10:54:45 AM
2NJ

I am so sorry to hear of the loss of your friend.  I know you heart must be hurting. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: caesu on March 31, 2009, 11:20:59 AM
Search for Natalee has stopped. No results. Golba is leaving Aruba.

http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article2068225.ece/Zoektocht_naar_Natalee_Holloway_gestaakt.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 31, 2009, 11:26:20 AM
Search for Natalee has stopped. No results. Golba is leaving Aruba.

http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article2068225.ece/Zoektocht_naar_Natalee_Holloway_gestaakt.html

An those that support CapsLockWizard will continue on! ::MonkeyNoNo:: When you will you people learn....  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 31, 2009, 11:28:26 AM
2NJ

How are you doing?  Losing a loved one is so difficult.  In time wonderful memories will replace that hurt which is so intense at this moment.

Love, Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: darla on March 31, 2009, 11:30:01 AM
Sorry for O?T Klaas if you are here could you email me at ((EDIT - REMOVED)). It is urgent.

Good Morning Monkeys

JUST EMAILED YOU - I'M REMOVING YOUR EMAIL ADDY NOW FROM THIS POST


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 31, 2009, 11:41:19 AM
2NJ

How are you doing?  Losing a loved one is so difficult.  In time wonderful memories will replace that hurt which is so intense at this moment.

Love, Janet

AMEN.Our Prayers are with 2nj... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 31, 2009, 11:45:07 AM
Search for Natalee has stopped. No results. Golba is leaving Aruba.

http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article2068225.ece/Zoektocht_naar_Natalee_Holloway_gestaakt.html

An those that support CapsLockWizard will continue on! ::MonkeyNoNo:: When you will you people learn....  ::MonkeyTongue::

Good Morning Keepthefaith

I am praying that Kermit's postings of Kyle Kingman's own words which exposed John Silvetti's betrayal along with Lifesong's contribution which explosed CapsLockWizard as deception personified from the getgo ... are causing some former Monkeys to stop and rethink their their position on this issue.

Janet

+++++


CAPS' lack of knowledge regarding the Natalee Holloway case ... a fact even his adherences noted ... could be just another deception/distraction.  In his first post to SM on the Front Page Comments ... he appeared to have an indepth knowledge of the case.

++++++++


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1468 on: May 07, 2008, 09:28:28 AM »


 ...When Caps first started posting in the forum he knew very little about the case, or so it appears from his early posts. He asked us about the family, the friends, the private plane and the pimps. He asked about the suspects and about the people such as Julia and others that continually misinformed us. He needed our help and knowledge with these pieces of the puzzle ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379700#msg379700


CAPSLOCKWIZARD AKA ANOMINO

Now Aruban Prosecutor Says “Holloway case in ‘new phase” … New Phase of not Investigating

#22  Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:17 pm


Ladies and Gentlemen;

I have been looking for some place where I could leave some of my comments without leaving my name. We still have people in Alabama who will burn things down if things don’t go their way.

Without using any four letter words I can assure all of you have some valid points in expressing what you think happened. There are a lot of people out here who feel the same way. There are still a lot of questions which need answering.

I can assure you that the FBI is aware of all your concerns. They are looking at it from every angle. What happened in Aruba was supposed to have stayed in Aruba. Then the cameras showed up! This was when Beth knew they were in trouble. Her words, not mine.

As soon as the FBI can make an Alabama connection the case will become a federal case.  You did see how fast the Investigators up here put the finger on those three college boys who burned down those churches didn’t you?

Well, I waited 16 months to find something which I can confide my suspicions in.

There were over a million comments posted on the Internet during this period. I feel that someone with a computer and a little knowledge about the teen who vanished in Aruba will also confide in this web site as long as they can be sure their idenity is safe.

Some other school mates who either saw, or heard, something about what happened down there.

I believe this enough that I am willing to stick my neck out and start posting some of the things I know about the case which have not been brought up on any of those cable news networks.

But first ask your self this question ? why is Beth and Jug no longer together. I, too, have asked that question. I think Jug butted out when Beth went running all over the country promoting this International Safe Travels thing. She lost a lot of her support here.

Some things are a matter of public record. Marrages, divorces, and ownership of property. Do you know what a prenup. is?

The reason why it was kept in Aruba is because as long as it stays down there the FBI can’t toutch it. If a connection with the USA can be made, then it will become a federal case.

The mother took the daughter to some meetings on how to behave in a foreign country. Then she dropped her off at a friend’s house for the flight to Aruba.

Then the socer mom took off with two friends to a lake house in Hot Springs, AK 5 hours north of B’Ham! And for three days no contact with Aruba. Then for 4-5 hours after the teen did not show up for muster the mother gets a call from one of the adults on the trip.

Question. How is it possible that the mom can make the same day flight to Aruba while on the same day the kid was missing? How quick she was to get everything together, travel 5 hour from Hot Spring, pack, make a sign, and flight to Aruba.

Question. When she arrived in Aruba, what Written Sign She was holding in Her Hand?

“MY DAUGHTER WAS KIDNAPED SIGN”

How did she know she was kiddnaped…?? Answer these questions please.

If the mother had of wanted to lollygag around a pool some where she could have gone on the trip too if she was that concerned about the safety of her daughter.

Two of the girl’s step cousins were on the same trip. Don’t you think they were the designated drivers? Or the look outs? One even fingered Joran as having played cards with some of the teens from MB.

Has any one of you ever been on a beach alone with a young woman? Have you ever tried to get a drunk to do something they didn’t want to? Then join the Army and travel a little. You’ll see.

This is all for now. If I get some response then I will start asking the hard questions the cable news didn’t ask. You can ask some good questions too. The good ones will be forwarded to the FBI in Alabama who are working on it too.

Nathalie Price $1000.000.00 and second price 250.000.00 to tell something

A Long time has past and the poor people in Aruba never came to claim the price… Aruban, Dutch, American, Surinam living in an expensive island where 50.000 are over 50 yr old and where 25000 are of school age and 50000 65yr and up on pension and none of them will like to win the lottery. Ask yourself why?

Is it that because they have to much casino and 1,000.000.00 will not make a difference or is it that they have done so much money laundry that they do not need a million or so to boost up their portfolio or is it that they are so corrupt that they do not see a Million Dollar…???????

The reason they are not coming forward is that no-one has seen or hear anything or is it that they are afraid of the 3 alleged perps that have hurts their island so much that they are afraid of them?,
or is it this question

IS IT THAT THIS IS ALL A FABRICATION FOR AN INSURANCE CLAIM AFTER 5 OR 10 YEARS?

Where the players are all connected and waiting for time to tick away to 2010.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/

Credit: Lifesong

Justice for


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 31, 2009, 12:10:45 PM
Search for Natalee has stopped. No results. Golba is leaving Aruba.

http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article2068225.ece/Zoektocht_naar_Natalee_Holloway_gestaakt.html

Thanks you caesu.  I ran it through google translator just be see if it would help but it is pretty obvious what this is saying.  When I try to post the translation, it goes back to Dutch!
 ::MonkeyConfused::

What happened to the other pond and strip of land?  Just yesterday Goldlba said he would be searching another pond.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 31, 2009, 12:15:25 PM
People have came back from the darkside before Janet! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 31, 2009, 12:24:03 PM


I certainly hope that Caps and the others who harrassed the family of a missing girl are pleased with themselves.

This entire episode has been disgusting.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 31, 2009, 12:26:55 PM
People have came back from the darkside before Janet! ::MonkeyCool::

I am a sucker for a genuine change of heart.  However ... in the Book which is my foundation for life ... a genuine change of heart implies asking forgiveness for the dispicable personal attacks on Monkeys who dared to explose an American's betrayal of Natalee, the family and ... those who prayerfully and monetarily upheld the Persistence undertaking.

The criterion in regards to the issue of forgiveness was established over 2000 years ago.

Janet

+++++++


1 John 1:9

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 31, 2009, 12:32:51 PM


I certainly hope that Caps and the others who harrassed the family of a missing girl are pleased with themselves.

This entire episode has been disgusting.



The sad thing is LifeSong..I think those POS are pleased.. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 31, 2009, 12:34:33 PM
People have came back from the darkside before Janet! ::MonkeyCool::

I am a sucker for a genuine change of heart.  However ... in the Book which is my foundation for life ... a genuine change of heart implies asking forgiveness for the dispicable personal attacks on Monkeys who dared to explose an American's betrayal of Natalee, the family and ... those who prayerfully and monetarily upheld the Persistence undertaking.

The criterion in regards to the issue of forgiveness was established over 2000 years ago.

Janet

+++++++


1 John 1:9

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.



He who ask for forgiveness..We shall see if these people do an honest cleansing of their house!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 31, 2009, 12:35:14 PM


I certainly hope that Caps and the others who harrassed the family of a missing girl are pleased with themselves.

This entire episode has been disgusting.



The sad thing is LifeSong..I think those POS are pleased.. ::MonkeyNoNo::

May the Lord bless the slow-witted, for they shall be the last to realize the error of their ways.

Idiots.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 31, 2009, 12:40:01 PM


I certainly hope that Caps and the others who harrassed the family of a missing girl are pleased with themselves.

This entire episode has been disgusting.



The sad thing is LifeSong..I think those POS are pleased.. ::MonkeyNoNo::

May the Lord bless the slow-witted, for they shall be the last to realize the error of their ways.

Idiots.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Anyone that follows CapsLockwizard at this point,is a TRAITOR....If you continue to listen to a DISINFORMATION SPECIALIST over,and over,and over again.What does one expect???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 31, 2009, 12:41:52 PM
So is Fred packing his bags and bringing Rhino the Wonder Dog home?  Did Rhino ever get to get out of the back seat of the car? 

The dog has a very intelligent gaze and demeanor.  Unlike some in the photos.

Did anyone else have a fearful moment that Goldba was thinking of using that pair of underwear he found as a doo rag?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 31, 2009, 12:42:33 PM
People have came back from the darkside before Janet! ::MonkeyCool::

I am a sucker for a genuine change of heart.  However ... in the Book which is my foundation for life ... a genuine change of heart implies asking forgiveness for the dispicable personal attacks on Monkeys who dared to explose an American's betrayal of Natalee, the family and ... those who prayerfully and monetarily upheld the Persistence undertaking.

The criterion in regards to the issue of forgiveness was established over 2000 years ago.

Janet

+++++++


1 John 1:9

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.



He who ask for forgiveness..We shall see if these people do an honest cleansing of their house!!

In seeking forgiveness ... each one of us who has had a "genuine" change of heart in regards to actions that intentionally or unintentionally hurt or deceived another ... must have the courage to stand alone when admitting wrongdoing.  No excuses.  No casting blame.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 31, 2009, 12:49:46 PM
Does anyone else wonder why Dave Holloway didn't discuss this latest fiasco with Beth before undertaking it?  After all, it is her daughter, too.

She knew nothing about it when contacted by the media.  Remember she said she shouldn't have answered the phone.

And does this mean at long last those who have been pushing this nonsense will stop "bugging" Dave as well?

I certainly hope so as nothing good has ever come from any of these so called codetalkers and their supporters.  Total nonsense and if this is not proof enough, I don't know what it will take.

I think some people would much rather play games than have justice and closure for this family.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 31, 2009, 12:55:36 PM
Does anyone else wonder why Dave Holloway didn't discuss this latest fiasco with Beth before undertaking it?  After all, it is her daughter, too.

She knew nothing about it when contacted by the media.  Remember she said she shouldn't have answered the phone.

And does this mean at long last those who have been pushing this nonsense will stop "bugging" Dave as well?

I certainly hope so as nothing good has ever come from any of these so called codetalkers and their supporters.  Total nonsense and if this is not proof enough, I don't know what it will take.

I think some people would much rather play games than have justice and closure for this family.

I wonder who is really entertaining these loonies!Is it Dave,and or a conduit to Dave???They will not stop pestering him..I would be extremely curious as to how this search TRULY came together,in regards to how CapsLockWizard finally got to Dave?Just thoughts


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 31, 2009, 01:03:17 PM
We were told repeatedly that all Dave had to do was come down and claim the body.

So where is it, Caps and Fans?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 31, 2009, 01:07:25 PM
enrita Werleman
Social Worker at MetaCorp
Hospitality industry
Aruba

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/7/965/682


It's one small Island..Where have i heard that name before??Hmmmmmmmm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 31, 2009, 01:10:53 PM
I am sure Dave Holloway works very hard for his money.  Shame on those who have done little more than try to play a cruel trick on him.  And that includes ALL of those who support those who will never do the right thing because their only concern is tourism and the all mighty dollar.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 31, 2009, 01:14:09 PM
Lifesong - THANK YOU for the wonderful job on that timeline!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 31, 2009, 01:15:30 PM
We were told repeatedly that all Dave had to do was come down and claim the body.

So where is it, Caps and Fans?

Well now it's going to be back to the cemetary, dontcha know?  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 31, 2009, 01:17:18 PM
Does anyone else wonder why Dave Holloway didn't discuss this latest fiasco with Beth before undertaking it?  After all, it is her daughter, too.

She knew nothing about it when contacted by the media.  Remember she said she shouldn't have answered the phone.

And does this mean at long last those who have been pushing this nonsense will stop "bugging" Dave as well?

I certainly hope so as nothing good has ever come from any of these so called codetalkers and their supporters.  Total nonsense and if this is not proof enough, I don't know what it will take.

I think some people would much rather play games than have justice and closure for this family.

Anna

I believe that dynamics encompassing Dave and Beth's relationship and their contrasting natures implies that each of of these loving parents have chosen different routes in respective journeys to find answers in regards what took place on the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the morning when their precious daughter went missing and was never seen again.

The way I see it ... Dave Holloway is putting his trust in those supporting the Aruban coverup agenda to assist him in providing those answers and ... Beth Holloway is not.  This is the reason the Aruban "powers that be" tolerate Dave ... they know where he is coming from and where he is going in his quest.  On the other hand ... Beth Holloway is a force that those behind the coverup agenda never anticipated.

Think about the upcoming TV movie.  Does anybody believe for one minute that Beth Holloway consulted Mark Purcell, Julia Renfro and/or Reality for input?  Does anybody believe for one minute that Beth Holloway consulted the Aruban "powers that be" for their take on the issues encompassing the investigation?

Janet

+++++++


RUDY CROES

Amigoe, Friday 30 September 2005

According to Justice-minister Rudy Croes (MEP), there is not much that can be done against Twitty’s attitude. He says that declaring her as persona non grata is no option. The American media would blow that up and it can fire back at us.

She is back in all sorts of programs where she calls upon Americans to avoid Aruba as vacation destination. “I can’t understand her attitude. We did everything possible to find her daughter”, said Croes. He hopes of course that one day the teenager will show up, but he said that badmouthing would definitely not contribute to that.

Many Aruban people are very angry with Twitty and are afraid that her constant appeals against Aruba would have a negative effect on the tourism. Even though this does not reflect in the figures, the government does keep a finger on the pulse. Croes does not consider taking measures against Twitty yet, but does not rule out the possibility to shut her up in the future.  The Dutch government was asked to diplomatically support Aruba in this matter.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1694


 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 31, 2009, 01:32:11 PM
Jen ... I think I need that hidey bag RIGHT NOW!!!

For the past week ... at least once a day the phone (hardwired) rings ... I answer it and ... nobody is there and ... there is no dial tone.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Hubby said that I was not to worry ... it was his girlfriend just following his instructions if a "woman" were to answer when she called.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2009, 01:32:44 PM
unfortunately those pulled off this horrible prank will not leave Dave alone. I doubt they will, really I do. I would hope like all of you that it ends, but I'm not at all stoopid. The mind-set everyone is dealing with here is just not normal.

I would expect the excuse of why nothing was found to start immediately.

Think about it - logic dictates - that if Aruba could give Natalee back and end this without exposing the cover-up or those involved - they would have by now. Therefore - Natalee most likely will not ever be coming home... well, not anytime soon. As sad as that is to type, it's probably true. If the Aruban Authorities won't even tell ya who was in the trap what makes anyone think that they will ever come clean? 

There is always the hope that with the elections in September and if the MEP gets the boot, maybe then something might get done. Even if the AVP or RED party wins the majority of the seats in that useless parliament and the Prime Minister's job - what then? Do the other parties just blame it all on the MEP? After-all they're all responsible. Maybe it could work with some Americans, heck some never even stopped going and this whole fiasco even drew people like Hotshot like a magnet - but who would really believe it was all just the MEP?

Exposing the cover-up and who was involved destroys what we haven't. And that's always been tourism.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 31, 2009, 01:40:28 PM
enrita Werleman
Social Worker at MetaCorp
Hospitality industry
Aruba

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/7/965/682


It's one small Island..Where have i heard that name before??Hmmmmmmmm

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 6
updated 9:15 a.m. PT, Fri., April. 7, 2006


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE‘S MOTHER:  ... So you know, they‘re all very connected on that island. It‘s hard to find someone who‘s not a relative or a cousin.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12205086/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 31, 2009, 01:42:36 PM
Birmingham ABC channel just said that Fred Golba and his dog are wrapping up the search in Aruba.
He will issue a report of his findings later.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2009, 01:47:41 PM
I think the biggest mistake ever made was not going after tourism like a tiger. Right for the jugular on day 5 when it was apparent that this was all going down hill fast.

Apologizing to two raping murdering Neanderthals was totally useless. Not to blame Beth or anyone - you just have to do what they ask of you when you're in that predicament.

The lesson for the next person or family that experiences justice Aruban style is to go after tourism and scream boycott on every news channel all night long. I don't know if it will work better, but cooperating sure hasn't produced any results whatsoever.

Lots of lessons learned about how to handle Aruba and their minions I suppose.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on March 31, 2009, 01:50:35 PM
Jen ... I think I need that hidey bag RIGHT NOW!!!

For the past week ... at least once a day the phone (hardwired) rings ... I answer it and ... nobody is there and ... there is no dial tone.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Hubby said that I was not to worry ... it was his girlfriend just following his instructions if a "woman" were to answer when she called.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

Does your telephone system have a last call type function?  Here in the states, you dial *69 and it tells you the last number that called you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 31, 2009, 02:12:52 PM
Jen ... I think I need that hidey bag RIGHT NOW!!!

For the past week ... at least once a day the phone (hardwired) rings ... I answer it and ... nobody is there and ... there is no dial tone.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Hubby said that I was not to worry ... it was his girlfriend just following his instructions if a "woman" were to answer when she called.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

Does your telephone system have a last call type function?  Here in the states, you dial *69 and it tells you the last number that called you.

We do have that *69 feature ... however only dashes show up when I attempted to trace the call.  Maybe that implies the caller has blocked his/her number or maybe it means it was and international call.

Obviously ... I am not too concerned.  I have not researched further.  I wonder for a minute following a call and then forget about it until the next time.

Thanks Jen.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: can on March 31, 2009, 02:17:37 PM
I wonder....why Golba is not going to search the other pond, and what pond it was.

and...........if Dave refused to further fund Golba's search.             


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 31, 2009, 02:27:13 PM
Maduro & Curiel's Bank NV

Board of Supervisory Directors

Eduardo De Veer

http://www.mcb-bank.com/extra_pages/AnnualReport2006.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: texasmom on March 31, 2009, 02:34:41 PM
Good afternoon (or evening to some) Monkeys!

I don't really have time to read it but thought I would go ahead and post this regarding the court case:


http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_54656.php

Google translation:

Court ruling: "Dissolution Agreement Astec not sure '
March 31, 2009, 15:16 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - It is the court is far from certain that Astec 'satisfaction should take damages. May decide the arbitration concession that "full compliance" should be, says the award of interim relief between stevedoring company Astec and port authority APA last week. "Unlike the APA and in the background directing public view, there is no question of a run game."

Government side is not yet officially reacted to the verdict. Edison snort Minister of Tourism and Transport, was on vacation last week and yesterday made the first port authority APA. In the course of the week will be a reaction, thus breeze, which does not want, or not appeal is considered.

Astec won last Wednesday the interim measures which Aruba Ports Authority (APA) are prohibited to proceed with the tender for an operator of the new container port in Barcadera. Astec stretched brief proceedings, leading the ruling of the arbitration. After APA on January 28, 2009 letter with the concession Astec per 1 January, 2010 cancellation, the stevedoring company decided in February to appeal against going to arbitration. Astec known as a survival interest in maintaining the agreement with APA, the court decided in favor of the stevedore company. Moreover, it was clear, the structural preparations for the move continue because Astec has no objection to the move as such, but in the new situation "as a contract partner of APA wishes to continue."

Not authorized
"APA had poison in that Astec can take the road to the tribunal (arbitration, red) would take." Where the court in the award. The court alleges that the APA is the termination of the concession agreement with Astec not first have a review by the Arbitration Committee. "They had (this) itself time gains."

Although the APA court strictly speaking "could not be required to have the termination, was such a pro-active approach was reasonable." The court rejected this in an earlier attempt by APA to the contract with Astec to say. The award of the Arbitration Committee in 2003 shows that the port authority "in this agreement is not empowered to order on whether or not to extend to decide." Because APA proposes' huge interest in the unfettered export of its plans, had quickly clarified by itself may have to move to arbitration instead of waiting until Astec did, the court concludes.

 

Concession
Since January 1, 2002 APA has Astec with a written agreement on an exclusive basis stevedoring work in the ports of Aruba. This agreement funds for five years, for each five years. The agreement, according to its terms be terminated only if the other defaults. Moreover, the other party notice in writing of the failure and the opportunity for at least 30 days still to fulfill. Premature termination by registered letter must be at least a year before the date on which the withdrawal takes place. Differences on the interpretation of this Agreement shall be submitted to the Arbitration Institute of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. The arbitrators will within four months after commencement of arbitration on this issue.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 31, 2009, 02:36:10 PM
I wonder....why Golba is not going to search the other pond, and what pond it was.

and...........if Dave refused to further fund Golba's search.             

can

Dave's reasoning for funding the latest search by Fred Golba was to  search the Monserat pond in the process of elimination.  A witness who stepped a little over a year ago implicated Joran as being in that location on the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the morning Natalee Holloway went missing and was never seen again.

Janet

++++++


Published: March 24, 2009 11:17 pm         
Search for Holloway continues
Father trying to cover all the possibilities
By Brian Livingston


Dave Holloway, the father of missing teenager Natalee Holloway who disappeared four years ago while on a senior trip to Aruba, said Tuesday morning he really doesn't think his daughter's body will be found during this latest search.

But he didn't want to spend the rest of his life wondering, "what if" either.

"The guy whose claims prompted this latest search at the pond has been bugging me for some time," said Holloway of Meridian. "He is convinced he saw something and he passed not one but two polygraph tests conducted by reputable technicians. Now, I'm not really sure just how accurate polygraph tests are but I kept thinking, 'what if he is right.' I just couldn't see any reason why he would lie about what he believed he saw."

http://www.meridianstar.com/local/local_story_084001809.html

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 31, 2009, 02:38:33 PM
So is Fred packing his bags and bringing Rhino the Wonder Dog home?  Did Rhino ever get to get out of the back seat of the car? 

The dog has a very intelligent gaze and demeanor.  Unlike some in the photos.

Did anyone else have a fearful moment that Goldba was thinking of using that pair of underwear he found as a doo rag?



 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

doo rag ROFLMAO

You have been killing me with your posts about that dog
in the hotel tearing it up
at Renfro's

I hope she sues Fred. HA HA HA



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 31, 2009, 02:41:00 PM
And I didn't see even one photo of Fred with his arm in the muck up to the shoulder as promised.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on March 31, 2009, 02:46:26 PM
Birmingham ABC channel just said that Fred Golba and his dog are wrapping up the search in Aruba.
He will issue a report of his findings later.

Or his lack of findings!  How does all that bikini underwear end up in a pond? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 31, 2009, 02:49:57 PM
Kermit may have already connected the following dots and ... I missed her post.

Could Herman equate Geerman when Jossy's accent is taken into consideration?

Janet

+++++++

Holloway Cover-up By Aruban Law Enforcement?
Friday, December 05, 2008


VAN SUSTEREN: In the conversation that we had with Joran, he claims that the voice on the tape is his father. And obviously the prosecutor could prove that or disprove that. He could use subpoena power and do that. We can't get a first-generation tape from his father and do that.

Is it likely that the prosecutor will do that? Because, frankly, if it turns out that is his voice, his father under what he said is up to his eyeballs in something.

MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things(ph), Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot.

And we assume, and it has been certified by this man that the man who took Joran van der Sloot to his home that night after Natalee disappeared was his father. So he was involved from the beginning.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,462349,00.html


LIST OF WORKERS’ ORGANIZATIONS IN THE CARIBBEAN REGION

ARUBA


Federacion di Trahadornan di Aruba
(F.T.A.)
Bernhardstraat 23
San Nicholas

President: Mr. Jose R. Geerman
Vice President: Mrs. Jane Braafhart
Tel. 297-584-5448
Fax. 297-584-5504
E-mail: fetraua@setarnet.aw
federacion@hotmail.com

http://www.ilocarib.org.tt/portal/images/stories/contenido/pdf/WorkersActivities/caribbean-unions.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 31, 2009, 02:52:20 PM
(http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/6281/golbaitemsfoundinpond.jpg)

LOOK IT'S DEEPAKS CAR


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 31, 2009, 02:54:24 PM
(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7760/autotechniquessponsersf.jpg)


(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9347/sponseroffredgolbatrips.jpg)

According to the news report, this guy sponsors Fred Golba's trips to Aruba and Dave Holloway reimburses him


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 31, 2009, 02:56:04 PM
Birmingham ABC channel just said that Fred Golba and his dog are wrapping up the search in Aruba.
He will issue a report of his findings later.

Or his lack of findings!  How does all that bikini underwear end up in a pond? 

AZSunny ... you are so naive.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Good Morning.

Janet
11:55 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 31, 2009, 02:57:40 PM
Kermit may have already connected the following dots and ... I missed her post.

Could Herman equate Geerman when Jossy's accent is taken into consideration?

Janet

+++++++

Holloway Cover-up By Aruban Law Enforcement?
Friday, December 05, 2008


VAN SUSTEREN: In the conversation that we had with Joran, he claims that the voice on the tape is his father. And obviously the prosecutor could prove that or disprove that. He could use subpoena power and do that. We can't get a first-generation tape from his father and do that.

Is it likely that the prosecutor will do that? Because, frankly, if it turns out that is his voice, his father under what he said is up to his eyeballs in something.

MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things(ph), Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot.

And we assume, and it has been certified by this man that the man who took Joran van der Sloot to his home that night after Natalee disappeared was his father. So he was involved from the beginning.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,462349,00.html


LIST OF WORKERS’ ORGANIZATIONS IN THE CARIBBEAN REGION

ARUBA


Federacion di Trahadornan di Aruba
(F.T.A.)
Bernhardstraat 23
San Nicholas

President: Mr. Jose R. Geerman
Vice President: Mrs. Jane Braafhart
Tel. 297-584-5448
Fax. 297-584-5504
E-mail: fetraua@setarnet.aw
federacion@hotmail.com

http://www.ilocarib.org.tt/portal/images/stories/contenido/pdf/WorkersActivities/caribbean-unions.pdf


I can tell you that I know there is more then one working together.
In other words, caps is not alone. So you were correct all along that his English changed.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Kermit on March 31, 2009, 02:58:28 PM
Birmingham ABC channel just said that Fred Golba and his dog are wrapping up the search in Aruba.
He will issue a report of his findings later.

Or his lack of findings!  How does all that bikini underwear end up in a pond? 

AZSunny ... you are so naive.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Good Morning.

Janet
11:55 AM PT


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: can on March 31, 2009, 02:58:43 PM
I wonder....why Golba is not going to search the other pond, and what pond it was.

and...........if Dave refused to further fund Golba's search.             

can

Dave's reasoning for funding the latest search by Fred Golba was to  search the Monserat pond in the process of elimination.  A witness who stepped a little over a year ago implicated Joran as being in that location on the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the morning Natalee Holloway went missing and was never seen again.

Janet

++++++


Published: March 24, 2009 11:17 pm         
Search for Holloway continues
Father trying to cover all the possibilities
By Brian Livingston


Dave Holloway, the father of missing teenager Natalee Holloway who disappeared four years ago while on a senior trip to Aruba, said Tuesday morning he really doesn't think his daughter's body will be found during this latest search.

But he didn't want to spend the rest of his life wondering, "what if" either.

"The guy whose claims prompted this latest search at the pond has been bugging me for some time," said Holloway of Meridian. "He is convinced he saw something and he passed not one but two polygraph tests conducted by reputable technicians. Now, I'm not really sure just how accurate polygraph tests are but I kept thinking, 'what if he is right.' I just couldn't see any reason why he would lie about what he believed he saw."

http://www.meridianstar.com/local/local_story_084001809.html

Janet



Thank you Janet.  I get that. 

I was being facetious, wondering why these things are reported/said then
not followed up on,
then, wondered if Dave has put a stop to Golba.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: oldiebutgoodie on March 31, 2009, 02:59:35 PM

May the Lord bless the slow-witted, for they shall be the last to realize the error of their ways.

Idiots.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


This cracks me up.
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 31, 2009, 03:05:14 PM
I wonder....why Golba is not going to search the other pond, and what pond it was.

and...........if Dave refused to further fund Golba's search.             

can

Dave's reasoning for funding the latest search by Fred Golba was to  search the Monserat pond in the process of elimination.  A witness who stepped a little over a year ago implicated Joran as being in that location on the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the morning Natalee Holloway went missing and was never seen again.

Janet

++++++


Published: March 24, 2009 11:17 pm         
Search for Holloway continues
Father trying to cover all the possibilities
By Brian Livingston


Dave Holloway, the father of missing teenager Natalee Holloway who disappeared four years ago while on a senior trip to Aruba, said Tuesday morning he really doesn't think his daughter's body will be found during this latest search.

But he didn't want to spend the rest of his life wondering, "what if" either.

"The guy whose claims prompted this latest search at the pond has been bugging me for some time," said Holloway of Meridian. "He is convinced he saw something and he passed not one but two polygraph tests conducted by reputable technicians. Now, I'm not really sure just how accurate polygraph tests are but I kept thinking, 'what if he is right.' I just couldn't see any reason why he would lie about what he believed he saw."

http://www.meridianstar.com/local/local_story_084001809.html

Janet



Thank you Janet.  I get that. 

I was being facetious, wondering why these things are reported/said then
not followed up on,
then, wondered if Dave has put a stop to Golba.

 


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

can

I have often been taken seriously when I all I was doing was making an obviously futile attempt at being sacastic.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 31, 2009, 03:21:35 PM
I do not believe any witness said he saw Joran coming out of the pond.  It can't be seen from those houses. 

So only seeing Joran wet, if that even happened, does nothing to confirm the pond as a location for anything.  If it was Joran, he could have become wet in any number of places and methods.

Why do so many reporters change that fact to say the witness saw Joran coming out of the pond?  Because otherwise, it make no sense just as Hans Mos said.

The reporters are changing what the witness said to make it make some sort of sense because just seeing a wet Joran does not add up to Joran putting remains in the pond.  That is pure BS supplied and endorsed by YKW and his minions.

We all have theories and places we would like to see searched.  It takes a special kind of egocentric evil to pretend they are facts and we have inside knowledge.  No shortage of that, unfortunately, it seems.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 31, 2009, 03:33:38 PM
I do not believe any witness said he saw Joran coming out of the pond.  It can't be seen from those houses. 

So only seeing Joran wet, if that even happened, does nothing to confirm the pond as a location for anything.  If it was Joran, he could have become wet in any number of places and methods.

Why do so many reporters change that fact to say the witness saw Joran coming out of the pond?  Because otherwise, it make no sense just as Hans Mos said.

The reporters are changing what the witness said to make it make some sort of sense because just seeing a wet Joran does not add up to Joran putting remains in the pond.  That is pure BS supplied and endorsed by YKW and his minions.

We all have theories and places we would like to see searched.  It takes a special kind of egocentric evil to pretend they are facts and we have inside knowledge.  No shortage of that, unfortunately, it seems.



Natalee Holloway Investigation: The Witness was Afraid to Come Forward & Aware that Paulus van der Sloot had Powerful Connections in the Prosecutors Office.
Posted September 16, 2008


DIARIO

THE WITNESS’ STATEMENT

On May 30th, 2005 he was sleeping in his room; when he was awaken by the alarming sound of barking dogs. He opened his eyes and checked his alarm clock; it was 4:05 am.

He got up and listening to where the barking was coming from, he went in the living room and peeked thru the window to find out why the dogs sounded so alarmed.
Under the street light, he saw someone walking towards his house, from the Nacional Soccer field, close to the Monserat pond and hotel area.

While the person was walking under another street light, he could clearly see the person. It was undoubtedly a man, notably tall, slim, Caucasian, with short and dark hair, relatively young and he looked like a Dutch citizen.

He could see his profile and one side of his face. He was wearing a red t-shirt and light colored pants. The witness noticed by the way the person was limping, that he was missing his right sneaker or shoe. He also noted that the person was breathing extremely hard, as if he just had been running very hard for a long time. His chest was heaving.

WET AND MUDDY CLOTHES

The witness stated (and probably also in the lie-detector test), that the person clothes were wet and that he also saw a muddy stripe on his chest, more or less about 5 centimeters above his chest.

The muddy stripe on his chest clearly showed that he was completely wet.
At first glance, the witness though that the person maybe had been in a fight with someone, and he was running not to get beat up. But his face showed no bruises or blood.

But because he didn’t look back not even to check if someone might be following him and just kept walking fast with his head down, the witness thought he did something other that fighting.

The person walked past his house, and kept walking, until he was out of sight, and he never raised his head or looked back, and just kept walking in the hotel’s direction. This happened in about one minute.

NEW INFORMATION

After the witness saw the person walk past his house and was out of sight, he sat down in his living room for about 5 minutes. He then noticed a car driving slowly, coming from the hotel area. Behind the wheel was a middle-aged, Caucasian man. Next to him, the witness saw the young man that was walking past his house a few minutes earlier.

The witness said they were driving a red jeep, and that they were driving extremely slow. He stated to the American investigators that was clearly that the driver and the passenger were looking for something on the floor. He said that the car just keep going in the direction of the Monserat pond.

HE RECOGNIZED THE DRIVER

According to the witness, in the following weeks he recognized the young man as Joran van der Sloot, when his pictures started to circulate in the press, and that the disappearance of Natalee Holloway became an international media frenzy. He also recognized the driver as Paulus van der Sloot, Joran’s father. The witness stated that, that was everything he saw and that nothing more happened. The question in everyone mind is: What were Paulus and Joran looking for on that road? The fact that the witness passed the polygraph test and is telling the truth is enough to focus the attention on that.

Of course the public wants to know why this witness didn’t come forward in 2005.
The witness was afraid of the consequences of his statement, since he was well aware that Paulus van der Sloot has powerful connections in the Prosecutors Office. Paulus is a lawyer, and he was studying to become a judge.

Knowing that the justice system in Aruba is totally in Dutch hands, he felt compelled to keep his mouth shut. This went on for more than 2 years, and in the end of 2007, he felt the need to reveal what he saw that day from his house.

The witness hired a lawyer to defend him, because in such a complicated case, even the witness has to be prepared for any eventuality, and also for guidance.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/16/natalee-holloway-investigation-the-witness-was-afraid-to-come-forward-aware-that-paulus-van-der-sloot-had-powerful-connections-in-the-prosecutors-office/
 









Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Blonde on March 31, 2009, 03:49:13 PM
And I didn't see even one photo of Fred with his arm in the muck up to the shoulder as promised.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Natalee%20Found%202009/Natalee8a.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 31, 2009, 03:52:28 PM
Kermit may have already connected the following dots and ... I missed her post.

Could Herman equate Geerman when Jossy's accent is taken into consideration?

Janet

+++++++

Holloway Cover-up By Aruban Law Enforcement?
Friday, December 05, 2008


VAN SUSTEREN: In the conversation that we had with Joran, he claims that the voice on the tape is his father. And obviously the prosecutor could prove that or disprove that. He could use subpoena power and do that. We can't get a first-generation tape from his father and do that.

Is it likely that the prosecutor will do that? Because, frankly, if it turns out that is his voice, his father under what he said is up to his eyeballs in something.

MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things(ph), Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot.

And we assume, and it has been certified by this man that the man who took Joran van der Sloot to his home that night after Natalee disappeared was his father. So he was involved from the beginning.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,462349,00.html


LIST OF WORKERS’ ORGANIZATIONS IN THE CARIBBEAN REGION

ARUBA


Federacion di Trahadornan di Aruba
(F.T.A.)
Bernhardstraat 23
San Nicholas

President: Mr. Jose R. Geerman
Vice President: Mrs. Jane Braafhart
Tel. 297-584-5448
Fax. 297-584-5504
E-mail: fetraua@setarnet.aw
federacion@hotmail.com

http://www.ilocarib.org.tt/portal/images/stories/contenido/pdf/WorkersActivities/caribbean-unions.pdf


Janet, I think this is it.......sounds a lot like Geerman.

Jose Giron


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 31, 2009, 04:03:26 PM
Kermit may have already connected the following dots and ... I missed her post.

Could Herman equate Geerman when Jossy's accent is taken into consideration?

Janet

+++++++

Holloway Cover-up By Aruban Law Enforcement?
Friday, December 05, 2008


VAN SUSTEREN: In the conversation that we had with Joran, he claims that the voice on the tape is his father. And obviously the prosecutor could prove that or disprove that. He could use subpoena power and do that. We can't get a first-generation tape from his father and do that.

Is it likely that the prosecutor will do that? Because, frankly, if it turns out that is his voice, his father under what he said is up to his eyeballs in something.

MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things(ph), Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot.

And we assume, and it has been certified by this man that the man who took Joran van der Sloot to his home that night after Natalee disappeared was his father. So he was involved from the beginning.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,462349,00.html


LIST OF WORKERS’ ORGANIZATIONS IN THE CARIBBEAN REGION

ARUBA


Federacion di Trahadornan di Aruba
(F.T.A.)
Bernhardstraat 23
San Nicholas

President: Mr. Jose R. Geerman
Vice President: Mrs. Jane Braafhart
Tel. 297-584-5448
Fax. 297-584-5504
E-mail: fetraua@setarnet.aw
federacion@hotmail.com

http://www.ilocarib.org.tt/portal/images/stories/contenido/pdf/WorkersActivities/caribbean-unions.pdf


Janet, I think this is it.......sounds a lot like Geerman.

Jose Giron

My DIL is Dutch American who only speaks enough Dutch to get by in a pinch.  She is at work right now but I just emailed her to ask her parents which name Giron or Geerman sounds more like Herman when a Dutch accent is taking into consideration.

Jossy does have a Dutch accent?

Janet

++++++


MIEMBRO DI COMISION:

Dunador di trabao
Ebby Arends – presidente di CBB

Lisette Malmberg – suplente
Sindicato:
Jose Giron

Sixto Vrolijk – suplente
Enseñanza:
Lydia Emerencia – vice presidente

Angelo Brete – suplente
Clero:
Pader J. v/d Lee

Pader S. Tomasik – suplente
Cuerpo Policial:
Jeannette Richardson

Jan v/d Straten – suplente
Liaison cu Prensa
Nilka Franca

Secretario:
Lorraine de Souza


INFORMACION DI CBB:

1.  Procedura di keho

*  solamente por escrito y cu nomber/datos di contacto di e remitente (EFORMULARIO DI KEHO);

*  partidonan involvi y partidonan politico lo worde tendi.


2.  Datos di contacto:

Secretariado CBB
L. de Souza – KvK, tel. 582-1120 ext. 29/fax. 588-3200
email: management@arubachamber.com


INFORME DI EVALUACION DI CAMPAÑA ELECTORAL:

Despues di eleccion un evaluacion di campaña electoral a tuma lugar. Pa por mira e documento por favor primi aki.

http://www.arubachamber.com/ComisionBonBoluntad.htm
http://www.arubachamber.com/Comision_bon_boluntad/rapport_CBB.pdf
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on March 31, 2009, 04:09:32 PM
Birmingham ABC channel just said that Fred Golba and his dog are wrapping up the search in Aruba.
He will issue a report of his findings later.

Or his lack of findings!  How does all that bikini underwear end up in a pond? 

AZSunny ... you are so naive.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Good Morning.

Janet
11:55 AM PT


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Kermit,  when you are back in Janet's pond, would you check it out for me?  I think there is more than she is telling us.   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 31, 2009, 04:09:52 PM
There are many, many Geermans in the Aruba phone book.
There are three Girons.
I can't find any Hermans.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Anna on March 31, 2009, 04:18:57 PM
I have never thought of Jossy's accent as being Dutch.

He was born in Aruba so not sure what it would be considered.

Your DIL might be able to tell your hubby that windows are washed on Wednesday instead of Saturday, however.  What was that man thinking!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 31, 2009, 04:32:31 PM
I have never thought of Jossy's accent as being Dutch.

He was born in Aruba so not sure what it would be considered.

Your DIL might be able to tell your hubby that windows are washed on Wednesday instead of Saturday, however.  What was that man thinking!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Around this house ... outside of windows get cleaned on the day that sunlight shining through obscures ALL vision.  It could be any day of the week.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Anyways ... Anna you are Dutch.  Which name sounds more like Herman when spoken by a Dutch person ... Giron or Geerman?

bastibro ... Yoo Hoo!!  Easy question for a Dutchman.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 31, 2009, 04:35:24 PM
Birmingham ABC channel just said that Fred Golba and his dog are wrapping up the search in Aruba.
He will issue a report of his findings later.

Or his lack of findings!  How does all that bikini underwear end up in a pond? 

AZSunny ... you are so naive.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Good Morning.

Janet
11:55 AM PT


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Kermit,  when you are back in Janet's pond, would you check it out for me?  I think there is more than she is telling us.   ::MonkeyTongue::

EEEEEW!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 31, 2009, 04:44:48 PM
There are many, many Geermans in the Aruba phone book.
There are three Girons.
I can't find any Hermans.

When you consider Jose Giron's associates are taken into consideration ...

I think you are right Magnolia.

However ... those who do the transcript of the Greta show obviously heard Herman.  It would be interesting if to know if Giron sound like Herman in whatever is Jossy's native tongue.

Janet

Janet

MIEMBRO DI COMISION:

Dunador di trabao
Ebby Arends – presidente di CBB

Lisette Malmberg – suplente
Sindicato:
Jose Giron

Sixto Vrolijk – suplente
Enseñanza:
Lydia Emerencia – vice presidente

Angelo Brete – suplente
Clero:
Pader J. v/d Lee

Pader S. Tomasik – suplente
Cuerpo Policial:
Jeannette Richardson

Jan v/d Straten – suplente
Liaison cu Prensa
Nilka Franca

Secretario:
Lorraine de Souza


INFORMACION DI CBB:

1.  Procedura di keho

*  solamente por escrito y cu nomber/datos di contacto di e remitente (EFORMULARIO DI KEHO);

*  partidonan involvi y partidonan politico lo worde tendi.


2.  Datos di contacto:

Secretariado CBB
L. de Souza – KvK, tel. 582-1120 ext. 29/fax. 588-3200
email: management@arubachamber.com


INFORME DI EVALUACION DI CAMPAÑA ELECTORAL:

Despues di eleccion un evaluacion di campaña electoral a tuma lugar. Pa por mira e documento por favor primi aki.

http://www.arubachamber.com/ComisionBonBoluntad.htm
http://www.arubachamber.com/Comision_bon_boluntad/rapport_CBB.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 31, 2009, 04:49:48 PM
There are many, many Geermans in the Aruba phone book.
There are three Girons.
I can't find any Hermans.

When you consider Jose Giron's associates are taken into consideration ...

I think you are right Magnolia.

However ... those who do the transcript of the Greta show obviously heard Herman.  It would be interesting if to know if Giron sound like Herman in whatever is Jossy's native tongue.

Janet

Janet

MIEMBRO DI COMISION:

Dunador di trabao
Ebby Arends – presidente di CBB

Lisette Malmberg – suplente
Sindicato:
Jose Giron

Sixto Vrolijk – suplente
Enseñanza:
Lydia Emerencia – vice presidente

Angelo Brete – suplente
Clero:
Pader J. v/d Lee

Pader S. Tomasik – suplente
Cuerpo Policial:
Jeannette Richardson

Jan v/d Straten – suplente
Liaison cu Prensa
Nilka Franca

Secretario:
Lorraine de Souza


INFORMACION DI CBB:

1.  Procedura di keho

*  solamente por escrito y cu nomber/datos di contacto di e remitente (EFORMULARIO DI KEHO);

*  partidonan involvi y partidonan politico lo worde tendi.


2.  Datos di contacto:

Secretariado CBB
L. de Souza – KvK, tel. 582-1120 ext. 29/fax. 588-3200
email: management@arubachamber.com


INFORME DI EVALUACION DI CAMPAÑA ELECTORAL:

Despues di eleccion un evaluacion di campaña electoral a tuma lugar. Pa por mira e documento por favor primi aki.

http://www.arubachamber.com/ComisionBonBoluntad.htm
http://www.arubachamber.com/Comision_bon_boluntad/rapport_CBB.pdf

I think that Kermit told us yesterday that another Freebird had discovered the witness was Jose Giron.

I had been trying to match a Geerman to an address near the pond for several days.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 31, 2009, 04:50:18 PM


Anyways ... Anna you are Dutch.  Which name sounds more like Herman when spoken by a Dutch person ... Giron or Geerman?

bastibro ... Yoo Hoo!!  Easy question for a Dutchman.

Janet

BUMP!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 31, 2009, 04:53:05 PM
There are many, many Geermans in the Aruba phone book.
There are three Girons.
I can't find any Hermans.

When you consider Jose Giron's associates are taken into consideration ...

I think you are right Magnolia.

However ... those who do the transcript of the Greta show obviously heard Herman.  It would be interesting if to know if Giron sound like Herman in whatever is Jossy's native tongue.

Janet

Janet

MIEMBRO DI COMISION:

Dunador di trabao
Ebby Arends – presidente di CBB

Lisette Malmberg – suplente
Sindicato:
Jose Giron

Sixto Vrolijk – suplente
Enseñanza:
Lydia Emerencia – vice presidente

Angelo Brete – suplente
Clero:
Pader J. v/d Lee

Pader S. Tomasik – suplente
Cuerpo Policial:
Jeannette Richardson

Jan v/d Straten – suplente
Liaison cu Prensa
Nilka Franca

Secretario:
Lorraine de Souza


INFORMACION DI CBB:

1.  Procedura di keho

*  solamente por escrito y cu nomber/datos di contacto di e remitente (EFORMULARIO DI KEHO);

*  partidonan involvi y partidonan politico lo worde tendi.


2.  Datos di contacto:

Secretariado CBB
L. de Souza – KvK, tel. 582-1120 ext. 29/fax. 588-3200
email: management@arubachamber.com


INFORME DI EVALUACION DI CAMPAÑA ELECTORAL:

Despues di eleccion un evaluacion di campaña electoral a tuma lugar. Pa por mira e documento por favor primi aki.

http://www.arubachamber.com/ComisionBonBoluntad.htm
http://www.arubachamber.com/Comision_bon_boluntad/rapport_CBB.pdf

I think that Kermit told us yesterday that another Freebird had discovered the witness was Jose Giron.

I had been trying to match a Geerman to an address near the pond for several days.

Magnolia ... were you conclusively able to identfy Josen Giron's residence on the road leading from/to the Monserat Pond?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 31, 2009, 04:56:08 PM
There are many, many Geermans in the Aruba phone book.
There are three Girons.
I can't find any Hermans.

When you consider Jose Giron's associates are taken into consideration ...

I think you are right Magnolia.

However ... those who do the transcript of the Greta show obviously heard Herman.  It would be interesting if to know if Giron sound like Herman in whatever is Jossy's native tongue.

Janet

Janet

MIEMBRO DI COMISION:

Dunador di trabao
Ebby Arends – presidente di CBB

Lisette Malmberg – suplente
Sindicato:
Jose Giron

Sixto Vrolijk – suplente
Enseñanza:
Lydia Emerencia – vice presidente

Angelo Brete – suplente
Clero:
Pader J. v/d Lee

Pader S. Tomasik – suplente
Cuerpo Policial:
Jeannette Richardson

Jan v/d Straten – suplente
Liaison cu Prensa
Nilka Franca

Secretario:
Lorraine de Souza


INFORMACION DI CBB:

1.  Procedura di keho

*  solamente por escrito y cu nomber/datos di contacto di e remitente (EFORMULARIO DI KEHO);

*  partidonan involvi y partidonan politico lo worde tendi.


2.  Datos di contacto:

Secretariado CBB
L. de Souza – KvK, tel. 582-1120 ext. 29/fax. 588-3200
email: management@arubachamber.com


INFORME DI EVALUACION DI CAMPAÑA ELECTORAL:

Despues di eleccion un evaluacion di campaña electoral a tuma lugar. Pa por mira e documento por favor primi aki.

http://www.arubachamber.com/ComisionBonBoluntad.htm
http://www.arubachamber.com/Comision_bon_boluntad/rapport_CBB.pdf

I think that Kermit told us yesterday that another Freebird had discovered the witness was Jose Giron.

I had been trying to match a Geerman to an address near the pond for several days.

Magnolia ... were you conclusively able to identfy Josen Giron's residence on the road leading from/to the Monserat Pond?

Janet

No,  I have not been able to identify the name of the street that goes past the witness' house.
I have looked everywhere I know to look.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 31, 2009, 04:56:14 PM
Blondeeeeeeeeeee........are you locking?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 - 3/31/09
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 31, 2009, 04:59:23 PM
I CAN! I CAN!!  ::MonkeyDance:: lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 - 3/31/09
Post by: Magnolia on March 31, 2009, 05:00:17 PM
Hey Nut! 

I bet Janet has already gone into the new thread so she can be first. ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 31, 2009, 05:01:19 PM

No,  I have not been able to identify the name of the street that goes past the witness' house.
I have looked everywhere I know to look.


LA PALMA!!  Magnolia is La Palma a name of a street in that area.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 - 3/31/09
Post by: bastibro on March 31, 2009, 05:01:22 PM
Hi Tamikosmom,
Herman is what I`ve heard. Geerman is the answer to your question.
Giron isn`t even close.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 - 3/31/09
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 31, 2009, 05:01:55 PM
no doubt :roll: LMAO!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 - 3/31/09
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2009, 05:02:01 PM
I CAN! I CAN!!  ::MonkeyDance:: lol

OK, I'll let you.  I've been watching this and Musings for hours and they are moving sooooo slow  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 - 3/31/09
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 31, 2009, 05:02:24 PM
ready?????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 31, 2009, 05:02:41 PM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/LOCKED2.gif)

#813
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4783.0