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I did it.... ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

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Made it!   ::MonkeyTongue::

We better behave to night.. Mod squad.... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

I got left behind..lol

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I made it.  I don't know how everyone gets here so fast.

Now, we will have to go and retrieve some of our info from the last thread.

Klaas did you see the question I asked you on the other thread?

Did anybody see what I posted earlier?  I was saying that one of the 'Players' over yonder, said he lived close enough to Ron, to hear most of what went on inside of the home, but on the night that Haleigh went missing, he happened to have taken some meds that made  him sleep through the night. 

when I asked him if he heard anything, he told me of the meds.  Hmmmm??

Searching  You and I better hold hands next time.  Maybe we can be first!!!!

Yes, the reporter states it in that video.

When the officers that responded to the first call got back to Ron's trailer, other officers were there. They were dispatched. This call must not be the first one.   

I have survived my first gate closing, good thing I grabbed my tail as I ran, I would really look funny, old monkey with no tail..  I think I lost my thoughts, had something to say and I think I left it back there with my brain.  ::MonkeyDance::

Guess he is on a time out for a reason.  Did you notice his response when questioned about the Lincoln that he drives, would not give a direct answer last night. 

Which news report were you watching.  The one that I watched the neighbor was a man, who said nothing about yelling nor 2:25?

Me too, and I need to look around for my brain.. I think I lost it.

Sorry, I missed it.  Could you ask again?  I was busy with company for a few hours and wasn't on the computer.  I know...hard to believe  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Sounds like he's not telling the truth.  He probably lives in Texas or someplace and is in need of attention, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Original Haleigh
Cummings case police
narrative
Spelling and grammar as found on
original report

- Police were dispatched to 202 Green Drive, in reference to the report of a missing 5-year-old child. Due to the age of the child, police responded to this location with a Code 3, blue lights and sirens. D/S Bridges and Iarrived on scene at the same time, 3:40. Upon our arrival, I observed a white male standing in the driveway who was visibibly upset. I made contact with the individual who identified himself as Ronald Cummings. Ronald told me that his daughter, Haleigh Cummings, 5, was missing.

Police asked Ronald what happened, and he told me that he had just gotten home from work, and his, "dumb [censored] girlfriend" told him his daughter was missing. Ronald repeadtedly said that someone had taken his child and also said, "when I find him, I'll kill him." Ronald was referring to a 9mm Beretta hand gun which heowed inside of his residence and that if law enforcement found whoever had this child, he would shoot them through the back window of the patrol car. I attempted to get information from Ronald regarding HAleigh, however, due to his emotional state he was unable to provide any useful information.

I then made contact with Misty Croslin, Ronalds girlfriend. Misty told me that she had put the children to bed at approximately 8pm. MIsty said that they were sleeping in HER BED, and when she laid down at around 10:30pm both children were still in bed. I asked MIsty who the other child was and she advised the other child was Haleighs brother. Misty old me that she woke up just before 3am to get a drink and she noticed that Haleigh was missing, however the OTHER child was still in bed. MIsty ran around the residence franticallly looking for haleigh and that she noticed the back door was stanfing open. MIsty said that she was sure the back door had been locked prior to her going to bed.

Mist said that at approximately 5 minutes after she noticed Haleigh missing, Ronal arrived home. MIsty said that as soon as she told Ronald HAleigh was missing, Ronald told Misty to call 911, which she did. I asked MIsty if she ever took Haleigh on a walk, and Misty advised that she sometimes walked with Haleigh to 116 Tyler Street to visit her family.

At this time, Teresa Neves arrived on scene. Teresa is Ronald's mother. Teresa told me that she had been called by Ronalds shortly after he learned HAleigh was missing. Teresa told me that Haleighs mother is Crystal Sheffield, however Ronald has full custody.
residential Teresa told me that Ronald and Crystal have not been disputing the custody of Haleigh. Teresa provided a 2008-2009 school photograph of Haleigh.

While an officer spoke with the family, another coducteda canvass search of the residence in an attemptto locate Haleigh.

Police initiateda track beginning at the back door and down a wooded path, as we travelled down the wooded path, we located what appeared to be asmall child's footprint in the dirt. It should be noted that Ronald said Haleigh's shoes were still located inside the residence. The track lead up to a small pond and then back to the railroad crossing. At the last residence on the right side of the Green Drive was a small building with a door which had been left open. I entered the building but found no one insire

The track then continued past the north residence, where police made a left turn on Monroe Avenue. We made another left onto Buchan Circle, which we followed in a loop back to Monroe Avenue. We then made a left onto Tyler Street, and travelled past 116 Tyler, which is a location where Misty stated she had walked with Haleigh in the past. We then made a right turn on BUffalo Bluff Road to the railroad crossing, where we found were forced to end the track, because the canonwas unable to follow it any further.
 
Did say anything about laundry.... ::MonkeyTongue::


http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/missing_haleigh_police_report_021609

You just completely ruined my image of you...... ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

But its ok, I had asked why after I write a sentence and then try to post one of the little monkey icpns at the end , the entire sentice dissapears but you know what, I just did it now and it worked right,   they must have known I was gonna tell on them and got scared........

I wonder if Ron or Fibsty sold him the meds that night.... ::MonkeyWink::

I have no idea.  The only normal reason that could happen is if you somehow highlighted your sentance text and then clicked on the monkey emoticon, that would probably overwrite your sentance.

I will try to bring some of this over...for reference.

So...was there an officer at 116 Tyler already, and then one dipatched to 202 Green???  Then she would be back and forth communicating with both.  That is my thought as to why Tyler was mentioned.

Good Evening Monkeys...

Dispatch 1256 to go to 116 Tyler - 1256 responds and ask whats going on @ 116 Tyler-Dispatch says verifing last time she was seen @ residence an hour or hour an a half ago..

Hmmm.

Dispatch already verified with CSX train just went through..

My interpretation of  parts of radio dispatch...

Forgot to add- 01120 was dispatched to 202 Green Lane.. 

Here it is.  Around :50 into the video.  Heard yelling around 2:25am.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUKkhLHyO_s


JERMONICK  B  LUTHER  ... Yikes..

http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=0802927

I "believe" that the dispatcher call(s) were over a period of time as it progressed during the early morning hours and into day break.  JMO

If you read the typed summary of the police report, the dog(s) were brought in and the tracking was noted to Tyler Street since Misti stated they "sometimes walked there", etc.

Narrative
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/missing_haleigh_police_report_021609

Report with some blacked out and many mistakes.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

Night.

Does Crystal have children with this man?
 

Good idea.. team work always gets the job done quicker.   ::MonkeyDance::

Sorry Im referring to Rons sister Cyrstal?  Does she have children with this man in the mug shot?

I do believe it is the same one, and she is the Detective.  And I believe it was the dispatcher that said that.  I will replay it in the morning,  all the chicks in the hen house are sleeping.. don't want to wake those people up.

Evening Monkeys...It's me again. I can verify some of the codes on the dispatch call if anyone is interested.

Yes, a daughter I believe..

Hey Klaas,  DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Now that screaming would coenside with the hour leaving 116 Tyler when police were verifying her where abouts @ 116 tyler... ::MonkeyTongue::

Hey Darla.... please do... Thanks::MonkeyTongue::

Something about this 'player' that is very questionable in my mind.  This GUY?? supposedly....STOOD UP..in every post for RON & Fibsty.  Thought about what he said about his vehicles, and then remembered someone saying about a truck parked at the bus stop.  Maybe he is a man friend to Gr Neves!!!

Very interesting.... ::MonkeyTongue::

GREAT Darla!   Thanks

Guess I will ask on this too.  Who did the transcribing that took 2 hrs?  Would be nice if someone could do that..then we could just about have word for word.

Sorry, falling behind.  Start watching the video (posted above) at around 50 seconds.  The reporter says this.

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Go Klaas !!woohoo  ::MonkeyDance::

Thank you RiverWalk, ITA!

Oh Darla please do!!

What was the code for 116 Tyler St, if there was one? Was it after they knew Haleigh was missing or before? Can you even tell this by the codes?

LOL, I just don't know, I dispatch but it's only for freight ::MonkeyRoll::. My FIL is a retired LE official I think I may invite him over for dinner and play this recording for him ::MonkeyCool::

 grandma-Is there any way we can get his address - If we can get his address then we can get his name.. Do you know where is house is located? ::MonkeyTongue::

I believe so.. I read on another forum that the beautiful mixed child in some of the photos with Haleigh is Crystals.

i know the whiskey code fox something- stands for white female toddler..But not 100 5 sure though... ::MonkeyRoll::

Yes, over a period of time.  Wish we had the times.

I think that computerscooter? ::MonkeyTongue::

I saw Crystal C's record on Topix, along with this guy's  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Add that to the rest of the family and .....Poor Haleigh could not have been surrounded by a larger group of possible suspects.  ::MonkeyShocked::

I have followed his postings, but never seen an exact number.  May have to go back and reread his posts.  I thought someone was going down that way in a week or two, so that was why I questioned what type of vehicles he had, and another poster came out and asked him directly.  See the O/S drives a Lincoln Town Car, and this guy drives a town car as well.  But............he DID NOT answer without questioning, as to why do you want to know..or some evasive answer to that.

Thank you Searching I have seen the picture of the child your speaking of and yes its a beautiful child.

Grama, is that Crystal (Ron's sister) husband?  And his rap sheet.. What is wrong with these people?   I've heard of the old "Hole in the Wall" for the old outlaws, what is this called "Hole in the Swamp"?  Got to go to bed, old eyes....  Goodnight guys.. see you on the Morrow..

Oh IS he on a time out?  I didn't notice .... WELL now!

Also wanted to ask, did the mod over yonder, ever explain to the members, about AnnaFl, or did she just post that she banned her, without telling why?

Good Night to the Sweet Monkeys going to bed... ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, it is Crystal's husband.

Good Night Searchers...see everyone tomorrow.

OK this is what I could write down as I listened.

Unit 1271 dispatched to 202 Greenlane Signal 8 ( missing person)
01120 Seargent dispatched to 202 green lane
01120 told dispatch to contact Lima1118 in squad room She was 10-26 (busy)but would be 10-8 (clear) and would be 10-51 (On her way)
Unit 1256 said railroad was there check when next train wasa coming thru
Dispatcher....train just went thru
Disp. to 01120 10-21 (call dis.)
01120 signal 8 (Missing person)
10-97 means arrived on scene...
01120 10-8 10-51 clear on way to scene
10-77 means in area
1256 @116 Tyler-relocating to Green lane
01120 What's going on at 116 Tyler
Lima1118 confirms with dispatch that Haleigh was last seen 1 hour to 1 1/2 hrs ago
01120 tells Unit1271 to stay at residents and do another search of home. The other mentions of Tyler st. were telling deputies how to get to Green Lane.

Something just came to mind.....When Ronald was making a plea for Haleighs Return I have not once heard him say she needs her meds....have any of you heard him or any grammys say anything about the poor child needs her meds ::MonkeyWaa::

I heard it was exWS windchimes sex offender girlfriend... this is what i heard - i hope i dont get in trouble for repeating this..::MonkeyTongue::

Ok Seiko, got it.  The first part was not playing right when I pulled it up.  So I thought I had the wrong one and went to this one.

Missing Haleigh Cummings- Neighbor heard noises

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDUDIsp9xQM&feature=related

I did not see anything saying that she was actually banned, but read it here.  I posted in red what she put out.

No code was given for 116 Tyler. Not sure if the officer had already been at Ron's and went to Tyler to see if Haleigh was there or if there had been a call to 116 Tyler first.

I really dont know...But that what rumors have it she was banned... ::MonkeyTongue::

Try this:  This name cropped up as an ...X Neighbor of his... Maybe can pinpoint something from this.

James J. Lane

Thanks so much Darla!

It seems to me that ploice car 01120 was dispatched first to 202 Green lane and then alittle later another police car 1256 dispatched to 116 Tyler.. ::MonkeyTongue::

YW . Some of the codes are different than the ones here, but I figured out the 2 that were not the same as ours.

I found these online..It is for volusia cty Fl.. not sure if all use same codes...
10 Codes
10-1 Receiving Poorly   
10-2    Receiving Well    
10-3    Stop Transmitting    
10-4    O.K.    
10-5    Relay to ________    
10-6    Busy    
10-7    Out of Service    
10-8    In Service    
10-9    Repeat    
10-10    Out of Service, Subject to call    
10-12    Visitor    
10-13    Weather and Road Conditions    
10-14    Escort    
10-15    Prisoner in custody    
10-16    Pick up Prisoner at ______    
10-17    Conduct Investigation    
10-19    Return to Station    
10-19a    Gas Car    
10-19b    Court    
10-20    Your Location    
10-23    Stand By    
10-24    Trouble, send Help    
10-25    In contact with    
10-26    Message Received    
10-28    Check Registration    
10-29    Check for Wanted    
10-29a    NCIC Check    
10-29p    Person    
10-30    Against Rules    
10-31    In Pursuit    
10-32    Breathalyzer Available    
10-33    Emergency Message    
10-34    Jail Break    Codes
10-34a    Problem in Jail    
10-36    Correct Time    
10-37    Operator on Duty    
10-38    Block roads at ________    
10-39    Message Delivered
10-40    O.R. Number and time
10-42     Out of Service at home
10-43    Any message for
10-45    Phone _____ at ______
10-46    Urgent
10-48    End of message, did you copy?
10-49    Serving Warrants
10-50    Vehicle Stopped for traffic
10-50b    Criminal Investigation
10-51    Enroute
10-52    E.T.A.
10-53    Coming to your office
10-54    Negative
10-55    Car Calling Car
10-56    Meet ______ at _______
10-58    Scramble
10-60    Check Tower Lights
10-61    Change to All County Intercity
10-62    Change to channel __
10-65    Can you copy
10-66    Cancel
10-68    Information
10-71     Send Ambulance
10-75    Off duty, In dept Vehicle
10-81    Send Wrecker
10-88    What phone can you be reached at
10-96    Unable to locate
10-97    Arrived at scene
10-98    Completed Assignment
10-99    Unable to read
10-100    Alert keep in touch by phone
Codes
Code 1    Routine
Code 2    Expedite
Code 3    Respond Lights and Siren
Code 4    Cancel Responding Units
Signals
0    Armed/or Caution (a) firearm (b) other
1    Drunk Driver
2    Drunk
3    Hit & Run (F) injury
4    Accident (F) injury
5    Murder
6    Escaped Prisoner
7    Dead Person
8    Missing Person
9    Stolen Tag (a) lost
10    Stolen Vehicle
11    Abandoned Vehicle
12    Reckless Driver
13    Suspicious Vehicle (p) person (a) accident
14    Information (a) Information Not Available
15    Special Detail
16    Obstruction of Highway (a) Traffic/Congestion
17    Contact Person (a) Give name of reporting party
18    Felony
19    Misdemeanor
20    Mentally Ill Person (h) homicidal (s) suicidal
21    B&E (a) business (b) residence (c) in progress
22    Disturbance (a) fight (b) family
23    Pedestrian/Hitchhiker
24    Robbery/Holdup (a) purse snatch
25    Fire (a) house (b) brush (c) vehicle (f) multiple dwelling (h) commercial (x) explosives
26    Drowning
27    Prowler (a) trespasser
28    Riot (a) civil disturbances
29    Reckless Operation/Motor boat
30    Bomb threat
31    Narcotics
32    Fraud (a) worthless checks (b) other
33    A&B (weapons)
34    Rape (a) sex offense
35    Car break
36    Shooting (a) person shot (b) weapons complaint
37    Suicide (a) attempt
38    Gambling
39    Juvenile Complaint
40    Vandalism (a) city-county property
41    Obscene phone call (a) threatening call
42    Civil Complaint (a) solicitor complaint
43    Larceny (a) auto accessory (b) bike (c) shoplifter
44    Abduction (a) hostage
49    Partner (a) pick up partner at
53    Control Burn
57    Injury as result of fire (a) death as of result of fire
81    Burglar Alarm Sounding
82    Fire Alarm Sounding
83    Miscellaneous Service Call (Request)
86    Lost Property (a) found
87    Lost Child (a) found
88    Noise Complaint
90    Animal Complaint (a) animal bite
92    Sick Person (a) injured (b) narcotics overdose
95    BOLO Person/Vehicle
96    Plane Crash (a) other emergency
97    Boat Accident (a) other emergency
98    Dangerous Street Condition
100    Radio Test

OK Lets check him out and get an address for him... ::MonkeyTongue::

Thanks Darla!

What about the fact that they said Haleigh was last seen 1-1.5 hours prior, could that just be a mistake? or Is it yet another story?

LOL I really am trying to avoid inviting my FIL over for dinner!

Can someone post the link for the calls again. I forgot to save it and I will go listen again.

Wow, I go to make a special order for mymonkey and you guys are in a new page and on page 4 already!!!

Gotta catch up again.

mymonkey, your order is ready in the thread in my sig.

Sorry for the off-topic. Slow down, guys!  LOL

I don't know where to go for this, but I do know on the Anthony case, have seen reports of police incidents given and it showed what the codes were for.

Times dispatched, etc.....  Maybe the Putnam County Sheriff's Site.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/radio_calls_haleigh_cummings_021909

Yes but why isn't LFlorida on a time out also? She was so rude to Player, accusing him of things, lying and acting like such a snob. Why are the only people that get time outs the ones that take up for RC? It is really obvious that the time outs are so one sided it is unbelievable. Anyone could tell that Anna FL, LFlorida and Pirate have an agenda and are only there to sling mud at RC and his family. Really strange to my way of thinking.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/radio_calls_haleigh_cummings_021909

When I first watched this video I wondered if this was "Player"

It does say banned under her username.

LFlorida very well could be.  Go to a post and look underneath, it will tell if on time out.

Here are some jame lane bookings- checking to see if he lives by Ron..

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=740453&IMG=30556

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=738303&IMG=

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=742030&IMG=30556

I think this is the guy who used to live in Haleigh's home.  Also a RSO?

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=9136

Here is the rso... ::MonkeyTongue::

8525 Bannerman Bluff Dr
Tallahassee, FL 32312-8027
Leon COUNTY

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=9136

darla, this is great, thanks!

So what WAS going on at 116 Tyler? Anyone know yet?

JerseyGirl. Unit 1271 was dispatched 1st to green lane then told dispatcher code 51...I guess that was to call Seargent. The 01120 said message received and he was on his way.


I don't know if the hour and 1 1/2 was a mistake or just another of Misty's stories. But it just "ain't" adding up

Darla... Great job.. Thank You.. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Yes, thank you Darla...big help.

Wondering...when the detective said Haleigh was last seen 1-1.5 hr ago...who was this info from?  Misty or Misty's brother/SIL?

Your right Darla- its not adding up.... ::MonkeyNoNo::

Well I guess she is Banned..... ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks guys. Glad I could contribute. My son is a cop and I have a scanner with all the codes. Don't listen to it as much since I saw him being shot at on live tv. My heart just couldn't take that again.

Im so lost, When I take a day off I get SO behind on this case.

The cops were at 116 Tyler before going to Haleighs home that night?
And isn't 116 Tyler where Lindsey and her kiddos live?

I think so. This is what I have in my notes for Misty's brother and sister in law:

Croslin, Hank Thomas Jr. (aka Tommy) brother of Misty Croslin, married to Lindsy, live at 116 Tyler St, on a street behind/near the Cummings about 2 minutes walking time, has 2 young sons and a baby daughter (Austin, Dustin and Layla), works in drywall with father and brother.

Sorry to hear about that Darla.. ::MonkeyTongue::

Does anyone know if the van was at Lindsey's that night???? That news report about the van and who had it had me so confused.

Good Night Sweet Monkeys... ::MonkeyCool::

Goodnight Jersey and all the other Monkeys. I am going to bed too. Have a great night.

Good night to you all, and thanks again for your dispatcher translation. ;-)

Hi Klaas,

IMO, Actually that person lives behind the Cummings home, Ron, Misty and children lived next door to him prior to moving to Green Lane on Nov 1st 08.

I believe he was talking about hearing them when they were his next door neighbor not Green Lane.

Mr Poppin, iirc lives on the right side of the Cummings home and rumor is that the person living on the left moved out 2 weeks after Haleigh went missing.

I think he has been pretty well investigated, many know who he is and where he lives.

Sorry no link, these are my opinions.

OS

Hi Brndi,

I was wondering since LE would have to go by 116 Tyler to get to 202 Green lane, if Misty's bro and sil might have been outside or headed to Green Lane when this officer passed by
This of course could only have happened if Misty called them while waiting for LE to arrive.

Just a thought I had.

OS

Are any times given when each officer was dispatched to Green or Tyler?

Hi jellybean....  I'm behind on this forum as usual and don't know the answer to your question at the moment, but didn't want you to think you were being ignored.  I'm sure someone will answer you shortly, though it moves kind of slow in here sometimes.   

Also want to say Welcome !  I'm sure Brandi will fix up a really pretty welcome sign for you, I'm a computer challenged monkey.    ::MonkeyWink::

Hi Jellybean

Welcome to SM.

I can hear the dispatch to 202 Green Lane, can't hear one for Tyler..

Doesn't mean it's not there, just hard to hear for me anyway.

Hopefully someone will transcribe.

OS

Thanks for the welcome....  :smt039

OMG Darla I can't even imagine that!!! That is terrible! I have 2 kids and my oldest is 8, I can't even begin to imagine how terrible that was to see. Thanks for you input, it has really helped!

Wyks-   This is O/T but I found this and thught it would be good for you to see on DAY 4!!

Your body's ability to mend is beauty to behold! 



  Within ... 
20 minutes

 Your blood pressure, pulse rate, and the temperature of your hands and feet will all return to normal.

8 hours

 Remaining nicotine in your bloodstream will have fallen to 6.25% of normal peak daily levels, a 93.25% reduction.

12 hours

 Your blood oxygen level will have increased to normal and carbon monoxide levels will have dropped to normal.

24 hours

 Anxieties peak and within two weeks should return to near pre-cessation levels.

48 hours

 Damaged nerve endings have started to regrow and your sense of smell and taste are beginning to return to normal. Cessation anger and irritability peaks.

72 hours

 Your entire body will test 100% nicotine-free and over 90% of all nicotine metabolites (the chemicals it breaks down into) will now have passed from your body via your urine.  Symptoms of chemical withdrawal have peaked in intensity, including restlessness. The number of cue induced crave episodes will peak for the "average" ex-user. Lung bronchial tubes leading to air sacs (alveoli) are beginning to relax in recovering smokers. Breathing is becoming easier and the lungs functional abilities are starting to increase. 

5 - 8 days

 The "average" ex-smoker will encounter an "average" of three cue induced crave episodes per day. Although we may not be "average" and although serious cessation time distortion can make minutes feel like hours, it is unlikely that any single episode will last longer than 3 minutes. Keep a clock handy and time them.

10 days

 10 days - The "average ex-user is down to encountering less than two crave episodes per day, each less than 3 minutes. 

10 days to 2 weeks

 Recovery has likely progressed to the point where your addiction is no longer doing the talking. Blood circulation in our gums and teeth are now similar to that of a non-user.

2 to 4 weeks
 Cessation related anger, anxiety, difficulty concentrating, impatience, insomnia, restlessness and depression have ended. If still experiencing any of these symptoms get seen and evaluated by your physician.

21 days

 Brain acetylcholine receptor counts up-regulated in response to nicotine's presence have now down-regulated and receptor binding has returned to levels seen in the brains of non-smokers.

2 weeks to 3 months

 Your heart attack risk has started to drop. Your lung function is beginning to improve.

3 weeks to 3 months

 Your circulation has substantially improved. Walking has become easier. Your chronic cough, if any, has likely disappeared.

1 to 9 months

 Any smoking related sinus congestion, fatigue or shortness of breath have decreased. Cilia have regrown in your lungs thereby increasing their ability to handle mucus, keep your lungs clean, and reduce infections. Your body's overall energy has increased.

1 year

 Your excess risk of coronary heart disease has dropped to less than half that of a smoker.

5 to 15 years

 Your risk of stroke has declined to that of a non-smoker. 

10 years

 Your risk of death from lung cancer has declined by almost half if you were an average smoker (one pack per day).  Your risk of cancer of the mouth, throat and esophagus has now decreased. 

15 years

 Your risk of coronary heart disease is now that of a person who has never smoked. 



Keep it up!

Welcome Jellybean..  Sorry a few hours late.. thils old one went to bed before you posted.. Make yourself at home..

Good morning Monkey's..

Good Morning Monkeys & Welcome Jelly Bean

Misty did phone over to Tyler St., asking about the scratch on the van.  Now when did that happen??? 

here is something interesting tells about misty,ron and crystal thought i would share this

http://community2.myfoxorlando.com/_My-Dumb-Beotch-Girlfriend-The-Haleigh-Cummings-Case/blog/185883/72667.html?null



WRITTEN BY: MysticFlower14

In the police report, Ronald Cummings is quoted saying "My Dumb "Beotch" Girlfriend told him his daughter was missing." ( The report can be viewed at the end of this post.) It is certainly understandable that Ronald Cummings had every reason to be upset and angry the night Haleigh disappeared, but the wording and name-calling he uses is suspect of demeaning a person. It can be interpreted that Ronald Cummings has an anger problem and may be controlling. That's putting it mildly, IMO. As this case develops, we continue to see behaviors and hear statements indicative of domestic violence, drug abuse, low self-esteem, sexual abuse, and a host of other issues.

I will be adding to this blog and expanding the scope of this post. The focus will mainly look at the dynamics of the family relationships, following a review of relative events, rather than the day-to-day details of the search.

Since the start of this post, weeks have passed and we've seen behaviors, heard of past incidents, and found there's much we don't know.

History

Crystal Sheffield and Ron Cummings were never married. They have two children from their relationship. By Crystal's report, she left Ron and took the children with her. She did not deny Ronald visitation, and when he got the chance, Ron did not return the children following a visit. Ron filed for custody, and subsequently, he was granted custody. Crystal was given every other weekend visits. Ron cited, in his petition for custody, that Crystal missed doctor appointments, did not have a job, and was abusing drugs. The fact is, Crystal did not have a job, had been using drugs, did not have a vehicle, nor a driver's license. At the time of the custody hearing, it must have appeared to the judge that Ronald was the more stable of the two. Our lives are always changing and I am certain Ronald and Crystal are no different. Over time, Crystal claims her life has changed, as well as Ron's situation.

Crystal Cummings

Crystal now has an attorney originally hired to handle media issues. Since taking on the job, attorney Kim Picazio learned through friends, family, and neighbors of alledged verbal and physical abuse towards the children by Ronald. Crystal Sheffield and her attorney, Kim Picazio, also report physical, emotional, and verbal abuse towared Crystal while living with Ron Cummings, which Ron denies. I do think Crystal has "stretched" the truth on a few facts, but I do not doubt the abuse she endured.

One example of my opinion on Crystal's truthful accounting is Haleigh supposed "drowning". If Haleigh were face down in the water, as Crystal described, and not breathing, she would have had to revive the child. I am struggling with the fact that Crystal has the knowledge to revive a child who's drowned. Even if she did "revive" Haleigh, the child was not taken to the ER for medical treatment. Anyone who's enhaled water into their lungs needs medical treatment. Haleigh may have been in the water, and possibly struggling, but I do not believe she "drowned."

I suspect Crystal found Haleigh down by the water and possibly in the water. For fear of Ron learning she let Haleigh out of her sight when picking up the children for a weekend visit, Crystal fabricated an extended version of the events. Why? People/women tend to deflect the focus off of their "mistakes" when in fear of an irrational response. Crystal not paying attention to Haleigh while tending to her son in the car would bring on Ron's wrath.

Ronald Cummings

Ronald Cummings has a history of drug use and criminal charges. Those charges include possession of cocaine and marijuana, in amounts that exceed personal use. He's been charged with maintaining a drug vehicle and possession of drug paraphernalia. Additonally, he's been charged with shooting a firearm at deer at night on 2 occasions, leaving scene of accident with injuries 2 occasions, and tresspassing. There is also domestic violence listed on Crystal's court history, but the perpetrator was not clear.

Of the drugs in Ronald Cummings possession, GHB was listed. This, as most know, is the date rape drug. Ronald entered a plea of not guilty and was assigned a public defender as he was deemed indigent. He was also determined to be eligible for court intervention of a drug program which he declined. Although the charges could have brought Ron a maximum sentence of 5 years and/or $5K, he actually received a fine of $370. These charges were in 2005. So far, I've found that Ronald Cummings has been fined, been under 24 hour house arrest, given community service, and court ordered drug testing, but he's not served time in jail, that I could find. Does Ronald's mother's position as dispatcher have anything to do with the light consequences of Ronald's charges?

There was a court hearing scheduled for February 10th at 8:30 regarding custodial issues. It's been reported that Haleigh missed an extended number of days from school, unexcused. Ron told Crystal that if Haleigh missed another day of school, he would go to jail. Ron attributed these absences to illness.

Why do I suspect Ron has an uncontrollable temper? When Geraldo confronted Ron on national tv with the accusations by Crystal, Ron appeared calm and responded with denial. Looking and listening closer, Ron can be heard with a stressed voice and deliberate wording in his response to ever hitting or striking his child. He stated that he punished Haleigh as directed by DFCS on the proper manner of punishment by spanking her on the behind. It sounded to me as if he was quoting a social worker word-for-word. IMO, he had that response remembered, ready, and deliberate. There was an underlying glimpse of anger in his wording.

Ron seemingly remained calm while his mother continuously talked in the background, demanding that Geraldo leave. Ron's father stepped into the front of the camera and demanded they leave. Ron didn't have to do anything. His family took care of it for him. They gathered around him and protected him. Ok, so, he's at a vulnerable state with Haleigh missing. IMO, Ron did not look vulnerable when speaking to Geraldo. He looked very much in control; too much control. Ron seemed very comfortable with his family stepping in and putting a stop to the confrontation. Is this a pattern for this family? They put a stop to the interaction before Ron's behavior got out of control.

This family knows the signs of when Ron is going to explode. I heard that stress in his voice, and shortly after, his father steps in. This is typical in an abusive family. They know the signals and triggers, and will change the atmosphere, subject, or situation in order to avoid an eruption from the abuser.

Misty Croslin Cummings

On February 15th, we learned through Crystal Sheffield and her mother, Marie Griffis, that Misty is a victim of sexual abuse. Misty admited to Crystal of being sexually abused by a "first cousin when she was 13 years old." Misty told Geraldo's brother, Craig, this also, in addition to stating this cousin visited family in the community. His name is Joe Overstreet. According to Misty, Joe was in the home during his visits and left Satsuma on February 10th. This was also confirmed by Misty's mother, Lisa Croslin. This cousin, Joe, lives in Tennessee and is a registered sex offender. Misty conveyed all of this information to the Putnam County Sheriff's office following her disclosure to Craig (Geraldo). ( Information derived from the Geraldo Show through interviews )As far as we know there are no suspects. Misty claims to be cooperating with LE, as well as Ron. LE keeps going back to Misty with more questions and at last count, she'd taken at least 3 polygraphs, and possibly four. Misty claims she has passed the polys everytime. Putnam County LE has not confirmed this.

Captain Dick Schauland confirmed on March 13th that investigators do have concerns about the timeline Misty has provided

 

 

. Captain Schauland stated that no one has been ruled out as a suspect. He went on to state that he would "not consider Misty as a suspect, but she is key" to the investigation. In regards to Misty's claim she passed the polygraph, Captain Schauland stated typically people are not told "whether they pass or didn't pass." The polygraph is not a pass/fail examination. Each question is rated on it's on merit as either deception or inconclusive on question 1, 2, or 3.

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This is the police report from the night Haleigh was reported missing. Not only does it conflict with later statements made, but gives us insight into what Misty Croslin's life is like, as well as what the two children might endure.

The report is in pdf format.INFORMATION TAKEN FROM THE INCIDENT REPORT

Putnam County Sheriff's Office

Incident No.: 1325

Missing Persons Investigation(Skipping over the Address and Witness Information as It is Not Relative at This time)

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION: (transcribed from the incident report)

"I was dispatched to 202 Green Drive, in reference to this report of a missing 5 year old child. Due to the age of the child I responded to this location code 3, blue lights and sirens. D/S Bridges and I arrived on the scene at the same, 3:40. Upon our arrival I observed a white male standing in the driveway who was visibly upset. I made contact with the individual who identified himself as Ronald Cummings. Ronald told me that his daughter, Haleigh Cummings, age 5, was missing.

I asked Ronald what happened, and he told me that he just got from work, and his, 'dumb (beotch) girlfriend' told him his daughter was missing. Ronald said that he did not know what Haleigh was wearing and that all he knew was the back door was standing open. Ronald repeatedly said that someone had taken his child and also said, 'when I find him, I'll kill him.' Ron referred to a 9 mm Hand gun which he owned inside of his residence and said that if law enforcement found whoever had his child he would shoot them through the back window of the patrol car. I attempted to get information from Ronald regarding Haleigh however, due to his emotional state he was unable to provide any useful information."

Reporting Officer: R. Nelson

This is just my opinion based on news, media reports, and my observations of family and their statements.  In no way am I attempting to create rumor or cast guilt on anyone.  This is speculation on my part, and should not be construed as fact or accusation.

WRITTEN BY:  MysticFlower14

Isn't that something, why would she be calling and worried about the scratch, when they had a missing child?
Is this in the same timeframe, when LE was arrving to investigate?  Wonder if this is where the van was and they noticed the van was parked in the wrong place?  That puts that van very close for access.  going to do the google thing with the visual and pinpoint the distance.

Good Morning, Monkeys!

Interview with TN.
http://www.artharris.com/

WELCOME JELLYBEAN!

good monday morning monkeys,,,and lurkers....
Some interesting stuff ya;ll found last night...

O my Lord in Heaven. Am I correct that the only person that has not been busted for or admitted to using drugs is Neves?

Aren't monkeys awesome?  I never would have found those dispatch calls.

From the above link, so nobody thinks this is a recent interview.
"This is from the interview I did with Misty Cummings and her mother in law the day she got back from New York and her Today Show interview with Ronald Cummings."

Good Morning Monkeys & Welcome Jelly Bean!

Grama, it was reported that Misty contacted Chelsea regarding the scratch on the van.

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/New-Details-About-Evidence-In-The-Haleigh/1k5Lp9GD2E2M74ZPyUJb7g.cspx

Chelsea Croslin said the night Haleigh disappeared, a family member was staying with them. She says around 4 a.m., when Misty called them to tell them Haleigh was missing, they went outside to the van to drive to Haleigh’s home. Chelsea said she immediately noticed the van was not in the same spot she left it.

I think someone posted this last night.  Will post it again for those who missed it.
Whoraldo - Kim Picazio on White Boy Greg
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m3d29-Video-Haleigh-Cummings-moms-attorney-says-Misty-was-having-affair-with-criminal-element#comments

Ok, I stand corrected on that.  So, where does Chelsea live in relation to Ron & Lindsay??

you have that one right.. Those scanners are cool to listen to. My neighbor has one, and phones us to tell us what is happening in the hood here.  Good find and post though.

Has anyone checked her out?  Hmmm....maybe no record, but.....hmmmmm.

She may be the only one without a record or habit, but Blink, when you lay down with dogs, you gonna have fleas too.

See I think this is all wrong.  Lindsey is the one who lives in the park with Ron & Misty.  Cause she is the one with the RSO relative (Grandaddy or daddy) that bought the property at 116 tyler avenue with her.  I think all the reporters suck on this case and it really PO's me that they can't be bothered to get simple facts straight.  And when you throw trash reporters and players like Cobra, Art Harris, and KP in the mix you just get more crap!  Sorry for the rant, but it's bs when we can't even keep the story staight.

Maybe we need to form a " Monkey Reporter" group, one that tells truths..

Thats what we have Blink and RED for right?? but I do think Art has tried to get the facts straight as he puts them out.When everyone involved in the case is lying,it is hard to get facts out that are not a bit off though.

Holy crap, Darla!  You poor thing! 

Big hug from a fellow Mama Bear for raising a brave son who protects and serves

Good LOrd what A CONVULUTED MESS THIS IS.  I stand corrected Heart.  So Joe borrowed the van from Chelsea's house in or near Crescent City and returned it there. 

Sorry about my last post. Posted in the wrong spot. Thats why it is always good to preview prior to hitting that post button,  ::MonkeyHaHa::.

Also not sure and not acquainted with the poster Pia of the below post.

Pia wrote:

I got another message from Chelsea Croslin today....I'll recap both her messages here:

#1 - Chelsea Croslin told me that Lindsy (who lives on Tyler St) owns the van. Chelsea had borrowed the van that weekend....she & husband live near Crescent City. A drunk driver had totalled their vehicle. She said that she is 6 months pregnant and always parks as close to the back steps as she can. But when Misty phoned her about Haleigh being missing and she went outside to get in the van that it was parked differently. Later, she returned the van to Lindsy. Then *Lindsy* phoned her and said please tell me you're the one who put the scratch in my van....and Chelsea said she had not....So, they believe Joe Overstreet, the cousin, who had stayed at Chelsea's home had taken the van during the night.

#2 - Chelsea said that she didn't know cousin Joe very well, that he was an estranged family member who had moved to Tenn. When Haleigh disappeared, she said Joe was very nervous/scared --- but not for Haleigh -- but because police wanted to talk to him. He kept telling her he couldn't talk to police because he wasn't even supposed to be out of the state of Tenn. And he immediately left to go back home. She hasn't spoken to him since, but she said his family in Tenn even said he was acting very very scared. And she said in piecing all the suspicious circumstances together - the van being parked in a different spot, the scratch on the van, Joe being nervous & scared, and comments about his demeanor since....she definitely has her suspicions. She said the latest search down the stretch of Hwy 17 was to look for items along the road that might be scratched with the blue paint from the van and to look for any belongings of Haleigh's.

IMO - Cousin Joe is the #1 suspect.

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:Aq40kbVn1cgJ:boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D350790%26page%3D15+Chelsea+croslin+lives&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Thank you for this. It seems to keep going back to Joe. so what do we have on Joe?

Okay, so it was not over on tyler lane, or a reason to call tyler lane..  So, did she call over there?  And, how did she know the van had a scratch in it? When was the last known time that Misty drove the van, to notice the scratch. From the time it was reported out of place, was it not taken by LE?, or when did LE take it?   There is too much that occurred in a small frame of time.
1. call to green st.
2. officers at tyler st.
3. dogs picking up scent on train tracks area.
4. dogs losing scent where tracks split.
5. both residence on tyler and green are within a two block area. travel down green, left on Monroe, then left on tyler. I google world it. took screen shots, have location of tyler residence and green compared to split in tracks.
6. Van moved out of place, apparently driven.
7. scratch on van.
8  Misty over reaction to scratch on van.
9. The revolving details of that night.
10. Possible sighting of ron at 2:00
11. dispatch reporting Haleigh last seen an hour to hour and half prior to call, so, if call was 3:15, then last seen 1:45 to 2:15.
12. Neighbor advised reporter, heard noise, yelling or screaming about 2:25.

What was going on between 2:30 to 3:30.

Note: the timeframe of 2:00 to 3:00 has too much reported activity.   All stated above are designated facts, with the exception of the report of ron being seen, unconfirmed at this time?? .. But.. odd that it falls in this time frame.  If it was Misty yelling or screaming or noisy looking for Haleigh, then why was the LE not notified until 3:15 or later?  Did she call ron an hour earlier?  Why wouldn't she?

And she works for LE.........go figure.   She's covering her a$$ about something, if you ask me.

Sounds more like he "stole" it after all went to sleep... WHY would he wait till everyone was asleep and take the van as opposed to 'asking' to borrow it unless he was up to no good?   ::MonkeyConfused::

To go back and attempt to steal the gun again?

I wrote the directions wrong..  think of a z pattern  -
--Both residence on tyler and green are within a two block area. travel down green, Right  on Monroe, then left on tyler. I google world it. took screen shots, have location of tyler residence and green compared to split in tracks. --

I would love to see a view of the tracks where the K9 lost scent.

I am wondering why cuzin joe has not been arrested, even if that was for him leaving the state he was supose to stay in? 
I am wondering why fdle has not stepped in, to oversee this case, since there seems to be so much le involvement and so;'s at every corner. ( nieves works there, and everyone has a record) 
Also, how come misty phoned her sis @ 4 am, 30 minutes after 911 call?
I would have ran to her house to check, since it is only 2 minutes away.

The sad thing w/the van is Misty and Haleigh's DNA and prints would be expected in it.  So who does not fit?  Well Cuz Joe's DNA, but if he says he borrowed it and family does also it's an alibi right?  And he didn't have to be w/anyone else or have anyone see him just the evidence that the van was scratched and parked in wrong spot? 

I mean what was LE looking for along hwy 17 from Buffalo Bluff to Crescent City which they only searched 10 miles of the 17 supposedly?  Le knows something that we do not know definatly.

This I don't understand, if this guy is a preditor, as per Misty..  Why would he be staying with Ron's sister, who has little girls, when he is Misty's cousin?? 

Ok. maybe Haleigh DID wake up and catch him looking through the house? Maybe Misty IS telling *some* truth as she knows it... She said "Haleigh must have woke up because different movie was in" He knew Haleigh would tell RC he had been there when she woke up and more importantly , she could tell LE he was there in the house when she awoke,and for a guy that was NOT suppose to be out of Tn. that would have put him in lock up.

yes, sounds like they were searching per a tip.

One big question.. What was so important about a gun, that ended up being thrown in a ditch?  Why would they have to fight over this gun?   Was it stolen property?  Was it used in a criminal act?  Was one being threatened with the weapon and that was the struggle?

I think that cousin Joe is my no. 1 suspect at this time....jmo

why would Joe have to borrow/steal the van? he is from Tennessee, wouldn't he have his own vehicle to drive around since he must have driven from Tennessee? he left right after Haleigh went missing..what vehicle did he use to go back?

so, where does misty fit in with this therory?  And was it cuz who had misty on couch making it jump?  And then he stole Haleigh instead of gun?  I hope they go and get this guy, I think he has some "splaining to do"..

And I think I read where le was looking for some blue paint form van .. Maybe that could help, finding that blue paint missing from the van.

and also visiting Misty the same evening that Haleigh disappeared when he allegedly molested Misty, why would she even let him anywhere near herself or Haleigh?

good point Searching....

Yes, and there was a sighting in Tenn, with him and a little girl who looked like Haleigh, and he tried to cover her face....  I know the LE in Tenn interviewed him.. But, why would they not have torn his home to shreds and anyone else he is involved with looking for her?  Why just interview him. They knew who he was,  found out he was out of state.. violation of parole?  why is he not under the jail.. Did Tenn look for Haleigh?

O, dont get me wrong, her stunt with the woods and Cobra solidified she is not better than any of them, well, I guess I am just stupified how it took this long for a child to go missing around these people to be honest. Sick.

Right flc!

How much do you know about the Tenn thingy..  If he was not suppose to leave the state and was known to have been in Fla, what did they do about that, and is he a felon, and involved in a gun issue.  Sounds to me that this man should be walking on egg shells anyway..

Mio, not meaning anything bad toward Crystal, but I do believe those are words she is putting in Jr's mouth. Even LE is discounting what he "said" and I think it is because he is old enough to articulate the someone "told" him these things or something of that nature. I believe Crystal is using that to bolster her claim that RC and Misty are unfit. I find that to be a sad and pathetic thing to do... Notice the story keeps changing? I think it started out as a man in black and grew to black man in black..because she slipped up, and she continues to add things to bolster her claim.. Can someone tell me when the man in black story came out in relation to the clothing description of Chad Reynolds on WS???  we know AnnaFl was in communication with them,she was on WS and had access to see that information.so I am not going to include that stuff in piecing things together, I just feel it is a tale to help her get custody.. sorry.

errr I do not believe the person spotted in Tenn. was said to be him. did I miss something?   ::MonkeyConfused::

Can you expand on the searching of 17 and what 10 mile stretch of it please?
Is this near the ditch where the gun was found?

quote Searching:
Mio, not meaning anything bad toward Crystal, but I do believe those are words she is putting in Jr's mouth. Even LE is discounting what he "said" and I think it is because he is old enough to articulate the someone "told" him these things or something of that nature. I believe Crystal is using that to bolster her claim that RC and Misty are unfit. I find that to be a sad and pathetic [/color]thing to do... Notice the story keeps changing? I think it started out as a man in black and grew to black man in black..because she slipped up, and she continues to add things to bolster her claim.. Can someone tell me when the man in black story came out in relation to the clothing description of Chad Reynolds on WS???  we know AnnaFl was in communication with them,she was on WS and had access to see that information.so I am not going to include that stuff in piecing things together, I just feel it is a tale to help her get custody.. sorry.

I think so too....I think that Crystal goaded Jr. into saying what he said...MOO...
and yes the story did keep changing...Crystal looks very uncomfortable when ever she is questioned or confronted with this story being told by her attorney....JMO

Self edit to answer this ??  He was visiting earlier in the day... Maybe she got dope from him and was trashed to oblivion, that may be why it is broken pieces that are coming out..she was in a haze.in and out of the real world due to dope..Haleigh could have been an unfortunate witness...

Yes she does. I do think that Jr may have information stored somewhere in his mind, but that has been deluded with this black man in black story,such a shame, he may have had a key to finding her or what happened to her. That is why they say parents should not question a young child in a case like this.

Good Morning, you Monkeys have been busy, I guess I should not go to bed. Player, over yonder, I have been suspicious of him, and when he said the cars that he had, that's when a ding, ding, ding, went off in my head to who this player is, and I'm not liking this one bit.

Okay, so I take it that the child in Tenn and the man trying to hide her face, was deemed not Haleigh nor this cousin, Correct?  But, if he was not suppose to leave the state of Tenn, when why isn't he under the jail. They can only control your staying in the state if you are under a court order or on Parole...  There is no other way.

Now, if he took Haleigh instead of the weapon, then what did he do with Haleigh?  He returned to the house didn't he? With the Van?  But, no Haleigh?  Is this correct?  Why would he throw the gun in a ditch?  Get rid of it?  Evidence?  As far as Misty, even under a dope stuper, she still has a short elevator.

How can we drag this out of you?  Write it in code?

the gun event happened the week before or 2 weeks before Haleigh went missing IIRC....
Joe left for Tennessee the same night that Haleigh went missing...He could have put Haleigh in his own vehicle...I still don't know why he had to borrow the van when he had his own vehicle to drive to and from Tennessee...
I agree that he must have been violating his parole by going out of state...

Well, lets play with the why he drove the van instead. 

In case, (while he was searching the house, looking for the gun.. finding it.. Misty in a stupor.. He took Haleigh to punish Ron),  He did not want his personal vehicle seen, so he took the van, could have grabbed the blanket to bundle Haleigh up in it, put her in the van, drove back to the location his vehicle was parked, transferred Haleigh into the vehicle, and left.

As far as I recall, that is the case. My answers in red in your post,was easier that way. The fact he parked the van to try and hide the fact he had driven it bothers me. There is NO telling where he drove that night. what were the hours in question ?? 2 am to 3 am? That gives him an hour or so to do what he needed.. ditch the gun,ditch her,park the van and act like he never left.

We had photos up of the RR crossing gates, and I believe it was Seiko that had posted them.  I will post what I have saved so far as to the area.

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That works, but maybe he never transferred her to his vehicle.. what was all the noise the neighbor heard? could it have been cuz Joe looking for the gun or dope/money what ever? could it have been Haleigh putting up a fight?

He has the same type of car that Snodgrass the registered sex offender Snodgrass has, the one that was giving unicycle lessons to the sisters. Dumb questions here, does a registered SO have access to a computer, or are they not allowed to be on the internet?

Is cousin JO a RSO? I thought he wasn't but was on parole or probation from Tenn. for something else.

Not sure, think it would depend on if he used the internet/computer to commit the crime,but iirc Snotgrass has not been convicted yet has he? so,if they are NOT allowed on net,would not apply yet.. I think.....

Thanks, I believe his trial is in June.

If I recall, we were doing some photos the day that LE did their last search along the highway,which wasn't long ago.  If someone can remember the day, then we can go back to that day for photos.

Thank you Grama for the photo's... ok, If the van was normally at the house,would neighbors notice it that night? could cuz Joe have parked it on the side of the road at the tracks? we know from the K9 losing scent at the tracks that she did not cross the tracks,maybe because she was loaded into a vehicle parked off the road at the tracks? Is there any woods/brush/bushes etc that could have caused the scratch at the spot where the K9 lost scent?

What if, he had put Haleigh in the trunk of his car.  the family was all tied up with LE and searching for Haleigh, so no one would be around to hear her if she were not gagged and was still alive.  He left Fla.. long way between Fl and Tenn.....

Hon, yes even though they probably have restrictions..  MySpace, just disposed of over 20,000 known Preditors out of the site.
Do they ever work together..  I do believe they would or could.. Ask Blink about this one.

Good point. but would he risk that if he took her to keep from getting caught?

Lordy, is he still on yonder?

(note to self- how many times did I put the word lordy in posts today?)
Depends on his Bond terms, which he is out on right now.
What's his deal?

If this were not so freakin sick I could crack one hell of a joke about yonder and SO's, I will refrain.

You know it could just be me, with this so called neighbor who is on time out, something is not right with this person, and if this person is a registered SO, I'm sick to my stomach about all of it. I come from a small town, bigger then Satsuma, but is this kind of atmosphere, for lack of a better description, prevalent in small towns, drug dealers, drug abusers, registered SO, half the town with a record of something or other?

And sorry, but his repeat of 'Another Day In Paradise' is getting to me!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Search area along US 17:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509027,00.html

Cops Probe New Area in Search for Haleigh Cummings
Thursday, March 12, 2009 


On the same day Florida deputies began searching a new area for missing Haleigh Cummings, the 5-year-old's father is expected to wed his 17-year-old girlfriend, MyFOXOrlando.com reported.

About 100 deputies from the Putnam County Sheriff's Office and nearby law enforcement agencies searched for the girl Thursday along U.S. 17, examining the area 30 yards from each side.

Sheriff's Capt. Dick Schauland said there is no new information — just more ground to cover.

Police deny the new search is linked to any new tips.

Click here for photos.

Haleigh vanished Feb. 9 from the Satsuma-area trailer home where she lives with her 24-year-old father, Ronald Cummings, his 17-year-old girlfriend Misty Croslin and Haleigh's little brother Junior, 4.

Cummings and Croslin applied for a marriage license in Palatka on Monday, but are having trouble finding someone to perform the ceremony.

A family member told a television station in Jacksonville, Fla., that the two were going to marry at 4 p.m. Thursday at Dunn's Creek Baptist Church in San Mateao, but the church denies it, MyFOXOrlando.com reported.

Pastor Terry Wright is out of town and the other full time pastors (David Dixon & Chad Perry) are not performing a wedding today," the church said in a statement. "Please retract any announcements you have made regarding the Cummings/Croslin wedding taking place at Dunns Creek Baptist Church."

Their first plan was to have Janey Watt, a funeral director, marry them, but MyFOXOrlando.com reported his notary status had expired.

Hon, those type of people steal children standing in front of their homes waiting for a school bus. That's why he left that morning, probably early. He didn't want to end up being questioned by the police in the disappearance being in Florida. Remember, before they became aware of him as a person of interest, he was already in Tenn.  If Haleigh was in his vehicle, and the Tenn LE takes the notion to grab his vehicle and go through it with a fine tooth comb, they may well still find evidence of her being in there. Not to late for the evidence, hair, fibers.. etc.

Something is wrong with this, and I hope they figure it out.

Hey! I forgot to say good morning.   ::MonkeyDance::

Good Morning!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

NOW:  All I know is, each time I posted to one of the "Players" over yonder, about anything I felt strange about, or questioned him on, he got very offensive and always stood up for Ron.  He didn't like being questioned too much, and I heard from the Mods that I wasn't to 'question' him at all!  Most of those posts were deleted.

hey looks over her taking messages over to

http://haleighshope.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=hope24&action=display&thread=30&page=3

all good points here monkeys, yall are onna roll..

Not sure about what crystles intentions could be for telling something rj did not say.. of course she wants custody of jr , her daughter is missing, and not on her watch.  rj is an aquarious, so he is detached from most issues anyway, so that knowledge has me leaning toward believing he saw something, not sure what, but, he has some clues. Maybe he woke up when Haleigh changed the vcr tape, which misty did not see her doing.

so, I wonder if anyone has talked with the train engineer, and asked him if there happened to be another car parked along the trackss near Haleighs home?
We know from transcribed scanner talks between le that morning, a train had just passed through. Maybe someone on that train saw something....

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/ground-search-for-haleigh-cummings/3789484374/?icid=VIDLRVNWS04

Video of Police search of US 17 Hwy towards Crescent City.

What is this?  I can't see anything, I'm not a member

I was on the google again, and this is where I went.. Questions?   -  Parole.......

http://www.ticic.state.tn.us/SEX_ofndr/result_button_sor.asp?var1=00382727

o people are bring info over to that web site

You know how I feel about my opinions, and 50 cents, and Misty's arm pit elevator.   Now, we know that Misty was entertaining, and she probably pays for her drugs with sex.....  Maybe ron would not make any available when she was responsible for the kids, but..  thats like taking a two year old into a candy store and telling the child, no you can't have any candy.  So, maybe she was
in a total stupor, or so frightened of him that she didn't dare try to stop him. 

It appears to be people from 'over yonder' that have started their own board (don't blame them there,I'd run like he11 too) and are taking the posts,actually pages..lol from here.. sharing is caring :)

Or still messed up from 3 day bender could cause heavy sleeping.  Which I also think has alot to do w/inconsistancies of interviews.  Benders kill short term memory. 

 ::MonkeyCool:: well, shut my mouth  !!

And I am totally cool with that if it helps Haleigh get found and keeps her in the light.  When people gripe about this kind of stuff on the "Free Information Highway" I have to wonder about there motive.  I mean clearly it no longer is about Haleigh than it's about them!  JMO.

Funny you should mention that since I have seen some stuff from Haleighshope brought over here. You do have to be a member to read and post. The board was started because of people getting banned at IS.

another interesting thing about the van - take it how you will - in the interview on Art Harris w/Misty's mom when they are talking about the van they say that Haleigh would go with anybody if they were in that van and told her (Haleigh) that they were taking her over to Lindsey's house to jump on the trampolin?  That is what I'm pretty sure was said.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/23/exclusive-misty-cummings-mom-speaks-out/#more-1363

ITA.. That is what I said when the doodoo started from the AnnaFl issue... The more we share info, the more heads together working,it is about finding a missing child,not about notoriety for cracking the case or having more information,our name in lights... I am sure you get my point. I find the actions and attitude of 'over yonder' to be both immature and pathetic... JMO

does anyone know the location of those hog pens that g nieves found?

Hi M O M , I do not think that post was meant in a bad way.. is there something wrong with sharing?? IMO it may help figure this out no?

Could be?  I will watch the interview too.  I just ran across something abit interesting..  Ran across a Blog on Myspace.. And there was a statement made about there being two different relatives name Joe...  One in Tenn is 28 years old born in 1980, the other Joe is 19.  Thats all I know about him..  Is anyone familiar with this?  Is there another Joe?  I still think it was really odd that a relative of Misty would be staying with Ron's sister and family, especially if known he was this bad, and ron and Misty were having troubles.. So, who could he be related to?



http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=391298922

Good Morning Monkeys,   Something is fishey with M Neves giving Mistie so much praise, we know that she was off layed up with some other man for the weekend while Ronald had to go hunt her down and bring her back home, we also know she has a potty mouth, we also knows she is into drugs and partyin, we also know she is a can short of a sixpack as far as the way she talks and communicates goes,   so     it seems to me that just because she was so close to the same age as Haleigh and liked to play dress up and put on makeup and paint nails and play little games Mama Neves thinks she is the best thing since peanut butter,  well Ive got news for her, it takes more than being a buddy to a 5 year old to be a good parent or caretaker, dang if she is the best Satsuma has to offer, well they are in bad trouble!

I have no problem with sharing at all! This in my opinion is all about finding Haleigh! Whatever it takes!!  :)

Oh that's what is going on, I'm not a member either, I don't blame them either  ::MonkeyHaHa::

no i was just telling you cause i think they think the same sorry i worded bad i will shut up

It appears they are from I S board so had the wrong board but well, not familiar with that board so can not say much there.... I did peek once and it was a bit brutal and someone was posting a link to a virus or something....

Don't be quite, this must be the new site that Trisha from over yonder must be talking about. Mioyshi, I don't know for sure the location of the hog pens, but it is behind Ron's trailer somewhere.

thanks no rose..

ITA.. did you hear the dispatch calls?? we have them here.

In the woods behind his house I think.. my question is how the heck they got that trailer in those woods   ::MonkeyShocked::

Yeah don't worry about it...we need all we can get help wise to figure this out and that includes YOU and any other site that wants to c&p stuff from here.  It's about Haleigh NOT US. 

You are absolutely right, thats what she said.  Also, they did clarify that the move that was in the dvd player was "The Snow Buddies", that was the movie Haleigh wanted to watch that night, but another was put in the player. So they decided Haleigh must have gotten back up after Misty went to sleep and changed the disc. 

Yes I have heard them and read them. I read so much every day that my eyes are starting to cross! I just wish Haleigh would be found safe and alive soon!

i do agree i should just said they think the same as you all do by looking at the map and info sry

No problem! I just dont want anyone to think we are from WS.

they move trailors into the strangest places. In a flood zone? They will put your trailor on stilts.  Drag the trailor with a tractor, or whatever big vehicle they happen to have around.
 I just can not seem to be able to see close enough on google earth to get a grasp of the area. I see trees are thick , like where I live.  So, from  me knowing what are under these trees here, I can only imagine what lies there in Satsuma.

I have been thinking on that journey to the woods by m nieves..I read she had white shorts, and was out in woods for over 4 hrs... is that correct, does anyone know?  She seemed to be on a mission for sure, and I am still thinking of her words, looking like a tiny prision,,or was it tiny jail??  dang, guess I need to go outside in sunshine and recharge my brain !   ::MonkeyConfused::

I thought in the pic that I saw she had jeans on but I am not 100% sure.

I think what the discussions on the other site are.. A replay of our discussions the other day.  The little trip out in the woods, (her 4 hour spin) and then drawing cobra out there, was a design.  The man who owns and lives out there is an old ex marine, and he has been questioned by LE, (as far as I know) the property has been searched.  I don't believe that this is where Haleigh was nor is.  Here disappearance and the reasons for it, lie much closer to home.

http://blinkoncrime.com/

Haleigh Cummings Case: Gramma Neves Snakes and Hogpens

I've never seen this Joe before?  Joe Momano? 28?  Never heard of him being related in anyway but he would make better sense to me.  I have seen pictures of Misty and Joe Overstreet(19) together and they certainly don't look like enemies to me.  I also have a hard time comprehending someone 15 molesting someone 13 unless it's outright rape or lies somewhere in that direction, now a 13 yr old molested by a 24 yr old is whole different ball game to me, lock em up.  The older guy fits better for me if there is a relationship we can find.

yes me too, but I also thought I read somewhere she had on white shorts, so I am confused.

maybe grandma N really was out searching for Haleigh...perhaps she felt that going to search would make her feel helpful instead of sitting around waiting for any word from the LE? I don't think that this woman is a bad person and that she would try to throw Cobra or anyone else off the track of finding Haleigh...I think that she really loves that child....JMO.....

And I wonder if this is the Recordings/cassettes/dvd that is on the police report and was taken and if it did in fact just have Haleigh's fingerprints on it?  Interesting.

Yeah Cookie I keep wondering why everyone's first instinct in this case is to assume that everyone is lying also.  I'm not sure what TN's motive would be for doing this and I can tell you that I would be more frightened of doing anything to or with COBRA than any damn snake or random drug dealer.

Some of the Overstreets myspaces.... ::MonkeyEek::


http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=418190888



http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=269248876

Thanks, I'm so darn confused with all these people  ::MonkeyEek::

ITA HH....Unless Mother Teresa thought Fibsy was a step up for the Cummings family... ::MonkeyTongue::

NCR ~ The two threads will be both up and running again.  There was a post indicating that. What is the connection with the other poster that lived VERY CLOSE behind Ron's that would post on that site???  Used to communicate with AnnaFL?? 

LOL awww it is not that bad is it?   ::MonkeyLaugh::

Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest and Welcome to all new Monkeys!

I have been thinking about all the folks we have pulled up and their arrest records. This Cummings crowd keeps that county afloat. Just WBG has had over $67,000 in bail money.
I am wondering if LE got the train stopped and searched it or talked to the conductor.
Also I think the Joe that is in Tenn. is Joe Overstreet and IIRC he drove a red pickup truck.

Well that is upsetting to think about, playmate for the kids and Ron. Misty knows something and that is why she has been welcomed with open arms, imo. And I don't just mean knows something about Haleigh.

Joe Momano is the one from Tenn, he is misty's cousin..  the bad guy..  It's the 19 year old that she in her blog was referring to as the one she believes is the one to look at.  I don't know,  that's why I wanted you guys to read the statements in the blog for yourself.  This was the first time I was aware of two different Joe's.

IMO ~  Just the way the whole Cobra / Neves incident took place, I have from the very beginning said that I do believe that it was a ...reason to keep Cobra distracted...as maybe something else was happening and they did not want him to get drift.  So, if he was in the bush searching, then everyone would know where COBRA was.  That is my theory and I am sticking to it.

my reasons for asking apparently have been misunderstood. I heard tn was listening to psychic, so that leads me to believe she had intention on her place of looking. I was more thinking she has an insight to the location per someone else's tip.
And since we also research hoary and natal birth charts, I know hog pens may be significant.
I was more on the notion tn may be on to something, not that she was lying.. I believe tn really loves her grandchildren also.    jmo  >-> mio   ::MonkeyWink::

Both are up and running. There is a so called neighbor of Ron and Misty  ::MonkeyRoll:: I don't know what is up with him, I just feel something isn't right about this person, he is on a timeout now.

So this Joe Mammano's charges were back on 09/15/1997 with a DOB of 09/01/1980 so it would be clear to the Croslin family that he does/did have a record as of 4 yrs ago with Misty claims he "messed with her" Another thing is his charge appears to be 3rd degree sex offense does not state whether or not against child?   


http://www.ticic.state.tn.us/SEX_ofndr/result_button_sor.asp?var1=00382727

Yeppers.. What the heck are they hiding and to protect who... ::MonkeyTongue::

This has me concerned, too!!

mioyshi....my comment was in "general" ....not directed at any one in particular...
have just seen it mentioned a few times about the grandma and thought that I would throw my 2 cents in..for what it is worth...

Or it could have been a set up thinking the ex military guy would mistake Cobra for someone else or something else and fire at him, hurt him in some way, but they didnt realize he would have toher people with him and a camera at that, couldnt take the chance of hurting all three, so the plan back fired....JMO

I know about player, am referring to Stormy~~~~

I do believe you are right about Joe O. Now this is what I find interesting, the train that goes through. I don't know the trains schedule, but that neighbor of Ron and Misty, has said the train does not go through the area from about midnight till I believe he said 5 or 6 in the morning. So I wonder if that is correct, and for the life of me I can't remember what he said the train transports.  ::MonkeyConfused::

no but neither  Crystal or her attorney have  mentioned Haleigh needing her meds either in all the air time that they have had recently...Seems that should be a priority but call me crazy..... ::MonkeyConfused::

Somewhere along the way I got lost, is this Joe Mammano, and Joe Overstreet both cousins of Misty?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Well if it was a setup I'd be damned if I would do it to COBRA, he's a piece of work to me all by himself...greasy as a snake to me, I would of sent one of the men folk, jmo.  And again I have to look at who these people are working for ....KIM Picazio therefore the intent is to make the Cummings family and Ron Cummings look about as bad as they can.  And they are certainly suceeding with this and doing little finding of Haleigh and that's MOO on COBRA and Art Harris.

No me either.  ::MonkeyEek::

^^^^^^^ Me too Fat cat.....agreed...

The night of AnnaFl's meltdown, Stormy was upset about everything going on, I have not seen her post recently, either she is on timeout, banned or just plain gave up.

That was the one I had pegged as being Lindsy... she is the one that complained we monkeys put directions to her house on here and the ONLY directions posted were those Linndsy C had posted on topix.

That's what the website that Mlee posted insinuates  you have to go down past all the Anthony crap to get to Haleigh and it says it there.  Another mystery to add to the many...woohoo.

The myspace Blog:

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=391298922
And the news reported that it was Joe Overstreet from tn who was visiting.

Reporter:

http://community2.myfoxorlando.com/_Haleigh-Cummings-31-Day-Missing-Floridas-Next-Missing-Poster-Child/blog/208239/72667.html

So, was the news reporter wrong, or was Misty in her normal state of where is my elevator and gave confusing answers.

Group report:  Talking about Joe Overstreet had tried to steal the gun from the house, thus causing getting into a fight with Ron.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.true-crime/browse_thread/thread/5d6d8335968b699a/46fbfcf1ec09dab3?lnk=raot

Question is?  Which Joe is Which? 

I hate to keep beating a dead horse but I was under the impression that Island Monkey had confirmed that Annafl was ok?

oh no worries cookie, I just wanted to clarify myself  .. remember, I said my brain is doing freaky things today . I just think this child is close to home.  Does anyone know how close an old orange grove is to the house?

Stormy is who I think is Lindsy... now that we are sayin names..   ::MonkeyWink::

yep she did....but apparently, she is not ok...

Thanks Cookie!!!! There is just so much to try and keep straight in all of this!  ::MonkeyConfused::

Beat that dead horse, I want stop you  ::MonkeyHaHa::
Inquiring minds want to know!

The fact of the matter is, first of all, Haleigh lived in Rons home and had no choice in the matter of who he decided would be her caretaker, he chose a 17 year old drop out party girl for his bride to be and thats who was responcible for these children. He is also a drug abuser and a drug seller and a drug distributor and that is a fact.....it is also a fact that the girl he chose to be his childrens caretaker was known to party with boys like WBgreg and is related to this Joe guy who is also a bad boy wanna be, now we can paint Ron with whatever color we decide to put the paint brush into, but the fact of the matter is he is still gonna look bad and that is because of the choices he has made, nothing we can say here is gonna change that, for if he is so good then he had the ability to put these childrens best interest first and his own interests like drugs and teenagers behind him.    Whoever did this you can bet is somehow involved with either Ronald or Mistie, they know them and they know about them in some way, this small town isnt like the city, if you are out and about you will be recognized right away for being and outsider, if you arent out and about then you wouldnt know just where the hell to find this child in these woods, and so they already knew what to exspect when they came to this house and that is a fact...They will be held responcible even if it is just guilt by association.......

Odd, on the dispatch calls, they verified a train had just went thru.

Sorry, I meant won't

was it ever release about that paper Ron gave to Le that could of been people he has got drugs off of or people he has problems with

Searching you could be right about that and Stormy being Lindsey.

Have we compared pictures of the Joe's??? I had a friend growing up ,his last name was one parents last name but when he became an adult,changed his last name to the other parent's last name.. hope that makes sense.. i think I need more coffee 

it prolly would have been easier for him to write down who he hasnt had problems with....

Joseph H Mammano...Full Name:  Joseph H Mammano Date of Birth:  09/01/1980


Possible Previous Address 1:  MCCLELLAN ST, WAUSAU, MARATHON COUNTY, WI 54403 
Possible Previous Address 2:  PO BOX , PORTAGE, COLUMBIA COUNTY, WI 53901 
     

O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 1 
Offense Date: 04/17/2005
Legend
Bv Behavioral
Bu Business
D Drug & Alcohol
S Sex Related
T Theft/Robbery
V Violent
O Traffic/Other
 
Case Number: MARATHON2005CF000761
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 
Offense Description: SEX OFFENDER - FAIL TO PROVIDE INFORMAT
Date Reported: 09/30/2005
 
O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 2 
Offense Date: 11/01/2006 
Case Number: MARATHON2006CF000999
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 
Offense Description: SEX OFFENDER-FAIL/PROVIDE INFORMATION
Date Reported: 12/08/2006
 
O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 3 
Offense Date: 04/17/2005 
Case Number: 2005CF000761
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 301.45(2)(e)
Offense Description: SEX OFFENDER - FAIL TO PROVIDE INFORMAT
Conviction Place: MARATHON
Date Reported: 09/30/2005
 
O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 4 
Offense Date: 04/17/2005 
Case Number: 2005CF000761
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 301.45(2)(e)
Offense Description: SEX OFFENDER - FAIL TO PROVIDE INFORMAT
Conviction Place: MARATHON
Date Reported: 09/30/2005
 
O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 5 
Offense Date: 11/01/2006 
Case Number: 2006CF000999
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 301.45(2)(g)
Offense Description: SEX OFFENDER-FAIL/PROVIDE INFORMATION
Conviction Place: MARATHON
Date Reported: 12/08/2006
 
V CRIMINAL OFFENSE 6 
Offense Date:   
Case Number: 374221
Offense Type: Assault
Offense Code: 940.225(3)10203
Offense Description: SEXUAL ASSAULT 3RD DEGREE
Date Reported:   

http://www.criminalsearches.com/details.aspx?id=w1x00xC8&vw=criminal&1=LXs8hN4URiFMtG5GvMzoWzyGKmu3YxNf0GIHZTEvJp4%3d&input=name

 ::MonkeyTongue::

lol   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I love it..  talking about hitting the nail on the head, Let's hope he didn't have Misty write it down for him. Wheee.

Wow, Alvilda!!  That was an awesome list!  And yes.. perfect to read on day 4.  Thanks soooooo much!  Have copied it so I can refer back to it as time progresses.. HUGS! 

 ::MonkeyDance::

It is a mind bender huh...  I remember when the case was new, and I pulled up the cousin on myspace and he appeared so young, and then I saw the interview and the guy looked older.. I though what the ...... (I fooled you, I was going to say heck all the time)...  And they did not seem to be the same person.  I just find this confusing myself.

I dont comment a lot about this case because I have nothing but aggravation & disrespect for way too many parties involved in this case but as far as this incident,  I cannot ignore that Cobra was brought down there by Kim Picazio either.   Not sure what to make of the incident but the fact that him & Art Harris were at the ready to film it & whispering their "thoughts" for the camera it could be equally speculated that it was a set up to make TN look bad as well.   The footage played like a bad episode of wannabe Dog the Bounty hunter.   What is the reason for all the unnecessary cussing during a tape involving a case of a missing child, is that investigative or for drama purposes?     It also seems to me that if LE is telling certain parties to stop their independent searches that LE is getting aggravated with the circus being in town & have major concerns about the conduct of several parties.   I totally understand the frustration that the investigation isnt further along & there doesnt seem to be any progress in finding Haleigh BUT individuals on EITHER side of these families are not helping with antics its just fueling already flared tempers & disputes in what is playing out to be a modern day Hatfields & McCoys.   Its pathetic & heartbreaking.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

HH the only thing I can think about this is the age and education of these people and unfortunatly we can not choose who may and may not have children and I keep thinking of the saying "There go I but for the grace of god" meaning many many families have this similar crap in their lives and it just doesn't happen to them by the Grace of God so therefore there lovely life styles are not out there for us to pick apart.  Not saying it makes it ok at all, but it is out there.

And I just cannot fathom the cummings family/Ron/Misty/TN being so clever as to do all this as some elaborate cover up and fool everyone including LE and the FBI. And if I am wrong I'll buy the beer. 

However if it turns out that these parties are guilty than they should pay the piper, but many families are guilty by associations and I will not throw them all in the hopper for this. 

Danielle Van Dam's family out partying, sex swapping and smoking pot on the very night Danielle was taken from their house while they were sleeping I don't recall any out cry to take their other child.  Smart Family what a bad choice of selecting a contractor for their house.  And I'm sure the Ramsey case was someone the family trusted and let into their lives thereby letting them into JON Bonet's. Most are fine but for the Grace of God. That's my point, JMO.

Thanks Jerseygirl on the info on Joseph Manmano, I see Wausau WI, know where that is since I was born and raised in WI, am familiar with that area  ::MonkeyEek::

Did you say you had a photo of Joe Overstreet with Misty?

What is all this about this Joseph H Mammano?  What does he have to do with Haleigh's case, or is this more muddering of the waters?

Joe Mammano

I dont see how this Joseph Mammano is related to this case...JMO ::MonkeyTongue::

me either....now I am even more confused!

Brandon or Joe overstreet with Misty.

Thats Brandon...Young overstreet.. ::MonkeyTongue::

i think this one passed away

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=418190888


this was on his post

back in jan

My SeXii LoVe <3





   Jan 26 2009 9:12 PM

I kno your gone.. but it makes me feel better to write you.. It makes me feel like your just a phone call away..
♥I love you baby..♥

eh? passed away as in dead? hadn't heard this before...is this the ex of Misty?

It was public until recently I guess. Might be my fault, really. IS was posting links to my articles, as a courtesy I posted some comments on there and was very well received by most until the Ron/Misty fan club showed up and swarmed like bees and cyberbludgeoned me, SM, and blinkoncrime.com. And I mean talk about low rent- my response was basically hey- Im just putting out info, you dont want to believe it that's fine, but have your facts to back up your smack ready cause I never post anything I can't prove. WELL..... posts of compliment were all deleted, the Molachi Sisters got pats on the back and everyone that did not buy their chit shoveling got the boot and this board was created. Some sharp and kind posters, but I only know a few.

Little piece of info though they do not know, beachpatty is pattyg, a WS mod. So they are taking posts from here, which as long as they are providing attribution I dont have a problem with they are probably getting 2 posts in one rate, lol

Or in prison! The whole darn family has a rap sheet!  ::MonkeyRoll::

Me too, but it could be because I'm going back and forth from here, to Caylee, to Sandra  ::MonkeyConfused::

yes as in dead it was one of the myspace posts

Are you serious about Beachpatty? I did not know that! She seems so nice, both when I was at IS and the new haleighshope board.

how did he die? was he Misty's ex? when did he die?
so, he doesn't really have anything to do with the Haleigh disappearance right? since he is dead..
he was young! how sad for his family and him..

Thanks for that info, I use to post over there during the Phil Spector trial, rough crowd  ::MonkeyRoll::

ok for some reason I don't have a pic of Joe in my stash I'll have to go look for one.

i am tring to figure it out

the girl posted it on Jan 26 2009 9:12 PM  but i am not to sure if she means he died i was looking around but that is what it sounds like

(http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/45/m_36538ceef31026a24cb2efbe7fa07587.jpg)

Joe in Ashland Tennessee per his MySpace page

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=380818970

Article about fight and gun

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131661&catid=3

ok it is joe overstreet that looks like he died jan 26 that was the last time he was on and the last post on his sight

must be a cousin to misty i think
here is his sight
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=418190888

Who is the Joe that was visiting Florida, I thought it was Overstreet?

i am not sure he is from      

Male
20 years old
MIDLAND, Michigan
United States

Think you missed what I was trying to say.  Cobra is down there investigating, etc.  Now suppose there may have something to do with drugs.  Would it not be in BEST INTEREST to keep the investigator away from possibly finding out some info.  Why Ronald never went with COBRA is another THOUGHT OF MINE!!!!

Blink.. I dont know.. I dont think he is related to Fibsty let alone to this case.. but  might be wrong... ::MonkeyTongue::

Starcat...sorry that I am confused here but how do you know that he died on Jan 26?
I looked on the link...couldn't find anything...

I think their was a Corey Overstreet that died.... ::MonkeyCool::

I am. I'm not suggesting that does not mean she is or is not nice, I dont know her personally. I only know she supports KFN, so we are probably not on each other's christmas card lists :)

I did in no way say that they did this and is trying to cover it up, I dont think thats the caseat all, I just think they are lying through their teeth and not telling the whole truth.......And I say that about Mistie and possible Ronald to....not saying anything about the GM other than she has protected Ronald and babied him instead of letting him take the downfall for his actions....

  Also education has nothing at all what-so-ever to do with this, you are born with common sense and thats all you need to raise a child right, Im sure they know if what they were doing was right by these children or not without education and learning it.....

   Also Elizabeth Smart case is no where near what Im talking about with these two......And as you can see, they to were guilty by association, not meaning anything bad by that, just saying that so is Ronald and Mistie...

    I can almost bet you when all is said and done, it will come back to Mistie or Ronald and something that happened before, again not a stranger just passing through, no way, there is no, just passing through the area where this home was located, no way to know who or what was going on in this home without direct knowledge of its occupants, we will wait and see, ots gonna come out!

 

i am not sure but his top friend wrote this on jan 26 ( kno your gone.. but it makes me feel better to write you.. It makes me feel like your just a phone call away..
♥I love you baby..♥ ) and the last time he was on was jan 26 so i think maybe he passed away or went to jail something i was tring to see on his other friends to see if they say what happen to him

Joe in Ashland Tn last logged in 3/8/09 and from remarks on his page is the one that was visiting in Palatka, Fl

Stormy is posting over yonder now

yea i know about that joe but i thought there was something about him joe overstreet

I remember reading that he was run over by a car ...no I dont have a link but I will  do some searching.

AprilShowers, I just saw that, and what's this about on Art Harris's site something about AnnaFl being mentioned.  ::MonkeyEek::

Can I please comment on the light blue eyeshadow being borrowed from Lee Anthony?

sorry, my bad, capp lemme have it.. ::MonkeyConfused::

From one the links posted, I found one set of brothers, and one in a photo with  "Short Elevator",  his name is Brandon, there is a brother named Josh, and one named Charlie.  Also, had read something about he family was from Michigan, now I know why. Tried to search for a Joe.. nothing pops up.. but, I am not through.. keeping on tracking.   Comparing all of the photos I have,  yes, all four are not that different in features.

joe

whoa.. hang on... I fear we are confusing this with the dude who was denied the restraining order against Sapp and was run over the next day and then Sapp moved into his house. I knew that issue was going to come full circle.

Hellooo.. Been waiting for you to show up and give a bit of opinion here..  Your using Lee Anthony's blue eye shadow? You really need to be careful.. you never know where that blue eye shadow has been.......

lol i am confused i thought somewhere i heard maybe he was misty cousin that might of been in florida or something like that sorry if i confused you all i just was looking and seen that it looked like he passed away

True but I don't see TN knowing about or being involved with Ron's Drug going's on after her Granddaughter is missing.  I don't see TN as Cindy Anthony at all.  She may have been mislead to mislead Cobra for some reason but very unlikely to me.   On this one I have to follow the money and I think it is more likely a set up on the part of Cobra and KPicazio to make the cummings look bad and they are succeeding in this instance. 

I got very excited when Cobra and Art Harris were thrown into this mix but after watching the video's with all the splicing and dicing going on of the video's and the embellished stories.  I'm done with them.  I don't particularly believe anything they have to say.  Some of the video's are good until you get to the parts where they have been clearly spliced to alter what we the viewer are hearing and seeing.  Not good in my book.

Wasnt that a Griffis that was killed in an auto accident?/ ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://www.ticic.state.tn.us/sorsql?sql=sp_SOR_IMAGE+%2700382727%27&contenttype=image/jpeg)

(http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/45/m_36538ceef31026a24cb2efbe7fa07587.jpg)
Joe in Ashland, Tn

Thank you for clearing that up ::MonkeyConfused:: So much  to remember in this saga    ::MonkeyShocked::

I have not found any obits for him nor news articles..

Search....think it was confusion of people .,.....too many characters to keep track of....
and the beat goes on.....

me either so i am not sure he might of died or went to jail just from that girls post makes it sound he passed on so i am not sure can't seem to get into alot of his friends pages all private

I'm sorry, but I do see the same in both Mother's.  She is fully aware of her son and his activities.. Somebody had to bail him out when every the charges were at least sticking a little bit.  She was aware that Children's services were investigating him as early as Feb 15, long time before Crystal opened up.  She knows,  just like Cindy Anthony knew the day she called the LE and said, my granddaughter is missing, and I just picked up my daughters car and it smelled like a dead body inside.  They know..  this is their protective mode.  I just have a big problem with that with both of them.  Who was the priority.  Caylee? or Casey?   Haleigh? or Ron?   It might well be that if they both realize their grandchildren are gone forever, it was instinct to protect their children.  No, I believe ron's mom and grandma both are vaults of info, and eventually will be cracked.  And it has been brought up prior on postings.  If you know a crime has been committed, and you protect and cover for the person who committed that crime.. you are as guilty as they.  If someone went into that house, took Haleigh out and harmed her, and any member of that group knows who, when, where and how and help to cover, they are all guilty of the same crime.  Even if they were not there at the time. bottom line.

Joe Overstreet

What's weirder is this...

Donald Lee Sapp (registered sex offender) has two addresses listed on his FDLE sex offender flyer. One in San Mateo and one at 315 2nd Ave in Satsuma. The home in Satsuma is owned by Jeffery Michael Griffis and Billye Griffis.

A document dated January 5th, 2009 was filed in Putnam County asking for protection against violence. The complaint was filed by Jeffery M. Griffis on behalf of his three children, Mason, Willim and Duncan Griffis and he was seeking protection from DONALD LEE SAPP. What happened?

3 days later, Jeffery Michael Griffis was struck by a car and killed. This just happened on January 9th, 2009.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

could be this joe overstreet cause he logged on his myspace jan 26 this stuff is so crazy there whole family is a zoo

oops couldn't be lol

Listen guys I have a totally different opinion on this case and the cast of characters and I have not really put it out there in quite a while and now I see I did it again.  Sorry.  I do agree to disagree and I will try to keep my thoughts to my self on this.

I try not to tear anyone to pieces or zone in on any one in particular.  As I've said before sometimes nothing fits until the very end so I'll just zip it.   

ITA.... ::MonkeyTongue::

quote mlee: I'm sorry, but I do see the same in both Mother's.  She is fully aware of her son and his activities.. Somebody had to bail him out when every the charges were at least sticking a little bit.  She was aware that Children's services were investigating him as early as Feb 15, long time before Crystal opened up.  She knows,  just like Cindy Anthony knew the day she called the LE and said, my granddaughter is missing, and I just picked up my daughters car and it smelled like a dead body inside.  They know..  this is their protective mode.  I just have a big problem with that with both of them.  Who was the priority.  Caylee? or Casey?   Haleigh? or Ron?   It might well be that if they both realize their grandchildren are gone forever, it was instinct to protect their children.  No, I believe ron's mom and grandma both are vaults of info, and eventually will be cracked.  And it has been brought up prior on postings.  If you know a crime has been committed, and you protect and cover for the person who committed that crime.. you are as guilty as they.  If someone went into that house, took Haleigh out and harmed her, and any member of that group knows who, when, where and how and help to cover, they are all guilty of the same crime.  Even if they were not there at the time. bottom line.

I agree ...but at this point, we don't know who did the crime or what exactly has happened.. other than Haleigh is missing....we don't know who took her or why or exactly when.....If his mother is believing him at this point that he does not know what happened and has not had any reason to disbelieve him...why wouldn't and shouldn't she? There is no dead body smell in his car or the home yet from what I have heard....and she was reported missing right away instead of 31 days after the fact....
until I had solid proof against my son, I would support and believe him too...all of us would JMO

other website  http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=438615018

This is brother Josh.. 
Well, he stopped logging in early Jan.. I went to her site, and found that she is 16 years old..  16 / 20 what else is new...
Don't know..  her girl friend ask how the dating was going.. next one said she was sorry, and would be there for her to talk to. 

About the same type of photos on Brandon's.  Now if this is Joe Overstreet then he has to be alive, they talked to him in Tenn, right??  wasn't that in February?

no reason to zip it...no one knows exactly what is true, what is not true,  but we all are entitled to our opinions....

yep the one in ten i am not sure who is who lol

The guy who passed away on brandon's myspace under his pics says RIP- I believe somewhere I read his name was Corey...

This is the problem.. We nor LE nor anyone outside of that family knows what they know.  To be employed by the LE, this woman is street smart.. She has to be..  She's a dispatcher.. First line on all the calls..  She has been involved in so many herific calls, one can only begin to imagine.  You cannot be part of that world, and not have these senses.  She raised the boy, she knows what he does, or doesn't do.  She knows the crazy in Misty's stories, yet she protects her, thus protecting her son. this is her intent, even if things don't smell right, still going to protect her son. Does not mean she believes what he says.. She has to be much more knowledgeable than that.   My point is.. As I said.. If they have the knowledge, then they could face the same legally.

Another pic and link...http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=269248876&albumId=618342&page=2

Josh Overstreet 20 as of January 26th,still in jail

this is the one i was on   http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=418190888 and if u go down to comments  the first one looks to be by his girlfriend and she wrote   



   Jan 26 2009 9:12 PM

I kno your gone.. but it makes me feel better to write you.. It makes me feel like your just a phone call away..
♥I love you baby..♥

o ok so he is in jail

maybe by gone.....they broke up?
what does this guy have to do with anything anyways? I am confused and must have missed anything about this guy....is he questionable in Haleigh's disappearance? I know that everyone is at this point, but has this guy come up as someone who was in the area?

though i read his name somewhere that he might of been in florida to just looked at his website that is all sry for the confusion

Great catch there, Blink! Love knowing who is who . . .

Yep.. We have a Who's Who thread, and there are two Joe's in there. 

Hey searching can you post the link where Joe is in jail. I checked the inmate locater and can not find him ... Thanks... ::MonkeyTongue::

http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/LocateInmate.jsp

OK, I'll ask before I post, so I don't get in trouble.  Are we allowed to post something here, that's on the private forums over yonder?

well Monkeys I hope something is done and soon in this case, I have got to go take my daughter to shop for something to wear tomorrow night, she is singing in a talent show again and this time she is up against her brother for the first time, Oh Lord hard for me, I cant yell for either of them so may the best one win!!!

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I say go for it but you post over yonder also?  You might want to change it up a bit...jmo

I don't know bout anyone else but I have no problem with it.   ::MonkeyTongue::

Me either ::MonkeyTongue::

me 3 . . .

No I definatly will call the dog and pony show suspect.  Kim Picazio and anything Cobra and Art Harris do.  I mean how can I not, she brought them in, she is working on behalf of Crystal Right?!  Well no brainer there for me.  She will do whatever it takes to trash the cummings family.  And if others choose not to see that than oh well I just will continue to point it out.

By the way she did Cobra's divorce in 2006 also and I believe there was some sort of property transfer that was done between the two of them prior to this divorce.  Looks hinky to me....so who would I believe?!  Again it's a no brainer to me.

T H A N K  Y O U !!!!! mlee....VERY WELL PUT...INO

We are TRYING TO FIND HALEIGH...even it means stepping on toes.

Me 4

ok so nothing now..

BAM
That's what I was confusing the bananas out of everyone over. Sorry, Blink under the weather today, trying to keep up.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: WTH is wrong with people..Thank God for his rescuers..funny,inmates took better care of him then the sitter..maybe the parents can hire them? grrrrrr  someone would be in some serious trouble with my foot so far up their..yeah....

http://www.wftv.com/news/19035806/detail.html#-


Inmates Baby-Sit Toddler Found On Highway
Prison Work Crew Share Lunch, Play With Boy, 2

Posted: 1:24 pm EDT March 28, 2009
HAGERSTOWN, Md. -- Authorities in Maryland said a prison work crew kept a toddler safe after the child was found wandering alone on a rural highway.

A corrections officer said the six minimum-security inmates shared their lunches with the boy and played with him, while authorities spent hours trying to locate the 2-year-old's relatives.

A trooper said a dump truck driver had spotted the toddler early Friday on a hilly quarry road near the Pennsylvania line. The trucker then handed the boy to the litter-picking crew for safekeeping.

Troopers eventually found the boy's home. The father told police the child was being watched by a teenage daughter, who later left without notice. Maryland state police are investigating.

Picazio handling of Cobra's divorce in 2006

http://www.clerk-17th-flcourts.org/BCCOC2/Pubsearch/case_summary.aspx?hidSearchType=party_case&txtLastName=staubs&txtFirstName=william&txtMiddleInitial=&txtBusinessEntity=&chkAdvSearch=0&cboCourtType=&sbmPublicParty=Submit&user_type=&CACE02010973=CIV&CACE03015496=CIV&CACE03011752=CIV&hidCaseNumber=FMCE06007203&FMCE06007203=CIV,CIV&CACE03019113=CIV&hidCourtType=CIV&hidGeneralType=CIV&ctl00

Sorry but unbiased PI services don't work for me at all. 

And than this quote from Riverwalk

Cobra and Kim P; 2003

Document Type: (WD) Warranty Deed
Record Date : 5/21/2003 1:02:10 PM
Grantor: STAUBS,WILLIAM E
STAUBS,CATHERINE D
Grantee: PICAZIO,MICHAEL
PICAZIO,KIM
Book Type: O
Book / Page: 35212 / 498
# of Pages: 1
Consideration: 1,150,000.00
Legal:   L40,B10,27/46,CORAL RIDGE GALT ADD
Parcel Id: Property Appraiser - 494225031510
Revenue Collection - 494225031510
RefNum   0

http://205.166.161.12/oncoreV2/search.aspx?q=detail
Enter:  Staubs, William  aka ---COBRA

I have no problem with you posting something from another forum.  Please provide a link back to the post (even if you need to be a member to view).  I want to give the other forums credit for the posts but have no problem with them being posted here.

The only thing I don't want posted is porn or x-rated stuff.

fatcatlurker...I will admit none of this looks right to me. Is this a missing child and a custody case, is this a missing child, or is this just a custody thing.  ::MonkeyEek::

I have had most I talk to say it is a custody thing and Crystal was behind the abduction and I thought that too and still wonder it at times.

My issue is now I don't/can't trust any information that Cobra or Art Harris are reporting.  A real Bummer and not in Haleigh's best interest at all.  In fact if I were LE I'd run them out of town as the rumor goes.

I see what you are saying but if this is the case Crystal would be in big trouble for kidnapping wouldnt she?  ::MonkeyConfused::

  ::MonkeyTongue::   Hi gang, wassup???? Missed so much and everyone so thought I'd try and check in while at work before I head out to the hospital..........so, any new juciy tidbits in this case ::MonkeyRoll::

Thanks also for all the prayers!

Crystal would ABSOLUTELY be in big trouble and no longer have custody of ANY children if she is behind this . . .

I don't believe that Crystal kidnapped Haleigh, I'm just trying to figure out what is going on. Custody issues mixed in with a missing little girl  ::MonkeyConfused::

Ok so if her attorney is aware of this what kind of trouble could she be in? The lawyer I mean KP.

We've had this info and more on it in our Who's Who thread for quite some time...

Seems that Jeffery was standing in the middle of the road when struck by that car.  Some think it was a suicide because he was just standing there.  Some think it was foul play.  I think it's just odd that it was just days following that court date. 

Weirder yet is that Sapp moved into Jeffery's home shortly afterward.   ::MonkeyEek::