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Title: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - 4/16/09 Post by: Nut44x4 on April 06, 2009, 08:25:09 AM (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_rretr.jpg) Truth & Justice for Natalee! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 Post by: texasmom on April 08, 2009, 06:48:24 PM ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 Post by: wreck on April 08, 2009, 06:48:30 PM See I told ya!
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 Post by: ospainter on April 08, 2009, 06:49:16 PM Hey
I made it. ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: OS Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 Post by: Rob on April 08, 2009, 06:50:00 PM Has anyone Googled Anonimo - it's a flippin watch. It's like WLC was sitting at one of his four computers - yanno - doing logical things - and looked at his WATCH and said it's TIME for a new screen name. and in the blink of an eye - Gizzardlockcaps emerged. comical if it wasn't sooo flippin +++++++. Reminds me of Shango and the Marvel comics. They are not big on originality. watch on left wrist - Caps key left side of keyboard. nuff said. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 Post by: klaasend on April 08, 2009, 06:51:14 PM From the ArubaBoycott blog site (Michelle's). There were several similarly worded posts that appeared to have been written by the same person. Here are a few of them:
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/BoycottPost122107.jpg) (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/BoycottPost122107b.jpg) (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/BoycottPost122207.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 Post by: Anna on April 08, 2009, 06:55:15 PM Has anyone Googled Anonimo - it's a flippin watch. It's like WLC was sitting at one of his four computers - yanno - doing logical things - and looked at his WATCH and said it's TIME for a new screen name. and in the blink of an eye - Gizzardlockcaps emerged. comical if it wasn't sooo flippin +++++++. Reminds me of Shango and the Marvel comics. They are not big on originality. watch on left wrist - Caps key left side of keyboard. nuff said. Good thing he wasn't sitting by some Preparation H or no telling what his nic would be. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 Post by: texasmom on April 08, 2009, 06:57:13 PM Has anyone Googled Anonimo - it's a flippin watch. It's like WLC was sitting at one of his four computers - yanno - doing logical things - and looked at his WATCH and said it's TIME for a new screen name. and in the blink of an eye - Gizzardlockcaps emerged. comical if it wasn't sooo flippin +++++++. Reminds me of Shango and the Marvel comics. They are not big on originality. watch on left wrist - Caps key left side of keyboard. nuff said. Good thing he wasn't sitting by some Preparation H or no telling what his nic would be. ::MonkeyHaHa:: flaminassholio? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 Post by: wreck on April 08, 2009, 06:57:46 PM Has anyone Googled Anonimo - it's a flippin watch. It's like WLC was sitting at one of his four computers - yanno - doing logical things - and looked at his WATCH and said it's TIME for a new screen name. and in the blink of an eye - Gizzardlockcaps emerged. comical if it wasn't sooo flippin +++++++. Reminds me of Shango and the Marvel comics. They are not big on originality. watch on left wrist - Caps key left side of keyboard. nuff said. Good thing he wasn't sitting by some Preparation H or no telling what his nic would be. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 Post by: wreck on April 08, 2009, 06:59:07 PM From the ArubaBoycott blog site (Michelle's). There were several similarly worded posts that appeared to have been written by the same person. Here are a few of them: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/BoycottPost122107.jpg) (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/BoycottPost122107b.jpg) (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/BoycottPost122207.jpg) These are not just some poster's wild imagination! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 Post by: Artcolley on April 08, 2009, 07:00:17 PM Has anyone Googled Anonimo - it's a flippin watch. It's like WLC was sitting at one of his four computers - yanno - doing logical things - and looked at his WATCH and said it's TIME for a new screen name. and in the blink of an eye - Gizzardlockcaps emerged. comical if it wasn't sooo flippin +++++++. Reminds me of Shango and the Marvel comics. They are not big on originality. watch on left wrist - Caps key left side of keyboard. nuff said. Good thing he wasn't sitting by some Preparation H or no telling what his nic would be. ::MonkeyHaHa:: flaminassholio? ROFLMAO Then he'd have to visit the website, Hemmyhealth101.com Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 Post by: Mere on April 08, 2009, 07:04:01 PM "roid" ::cartwheel::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 Post by: Artcolley on April 08, 2009, 07:06:24 PM "roid" ::cartwheel:: Yes, or Roid Rage ::MonkeyLaugh:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 Post by: Anna on April 08, 2009, 07:10:07 PM ITA, Wreck,
Hard to believe somebody would just guess all that so correctly from the scant information available AT THAT TIME. Later, maybe but when posted, just not so much known. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 Post by: Rob on April 08, 2009, 07:16:13 PM Klaas - clarify the rules on posting personal emails from a banned poster that just arrived to prove I am not making this shit up.
Thank you in advance. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 Post by: Lifesong on April 08, 2009, 07:17:13 PM The hinkiness continues for a couple of weeks at least...start at the bottom and read up - notice the dates there too. More of the Comments from the Boycott Aruba blog (Michelle's site): https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=19199597&postID=6671787776298095730&isPopup=true Anonymous said... The ship and her crew are very high tech and smart. They follow their instinct and intuition to chart their brave voyage and avoid most of the winterly storms. Persistence looks real good, she has over 75% of the chance of finding natalee in a fish trap or some sealed container. 25% will be the interference coming from the corrupt and cruel Aruba government. December 13, 2007 8:07:00 PM EST Anonymous said... If the Aruba government dare to touch RV Persistence, it will be a serious international crisis. RV Persistence will not permit the Arubans to take away from her the remains of Natalee found at sea. The Arubans may be armed and dangerous like the Caribbean Pirates to board the ship. Our President Bush like late Ronald Reagan ought to say a few words about this potential threat from the Aruban government. Mike Huckabee also ought to backup Persistence's goodwill mission. December 13, 2007 8:30:00 PM EST Anonymous said... Two things will surely happen next week. Persistence will find Natalee's body. Second, Aruba will attack Persistence to steal Natalee's remains. Aruba will not let Persistence go free. The Dutch Navy can't do much to protect Persistence. They evedrop on the Aruban communications and provide tips to Persistence to watch out for the Aruban attacks. December 13, 2007 10:33:00 PM EST Anonymous said... Their worry is not about Natalee's body which will not matter the cold case of her rape and murder. It is about their long suspected undersea cocaine smuggling operations. Persistence ROV will take pictures and video of what's going on under the Aruban waters. December 13, 2007 10:41:00 PM EST Caught Arubans off guard said... Persistence might have found Natalee's remains already, and heads back to US. She just caught the Arubans off guard. December 15, 2007 10:35:00 AM EST In less than 9 hours said... 10 miles per hour, that's a very good godspeed, and Persistence travels fast. It was told the ship will arrive in Aruba in less than 9 hours from now. People wonder how the evil Arubans are going to reach to this good news. Do they welcome Persistence? Or they will fight Persistence off? People just don't know. The ship crew will just take things one at a time. The reputation of Aruba has been completely damaged by the closing of the Natalee case. December 15, 2007 1:13:00 PM EST Fox Insider said... The crew might discover the big steel cage already. They started working right away and not waiting til next Tuesday. The crew were contacting FBI for protection. The Arubans are coming to plot against the Persistence. They are the murderous atheists lead by Joran the Gangs. Julia was tipping the gangs where Persistence is thru Greta. Beth told Greta about the plan before she went to Aruba to visit Mos. December 16, 2007 12:17:00 AM EST https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=19199597&postID=8965168619350212148&isPopup=true Greta doubter said... Greta thinks Kyle is a new college graduate without real world experience like Taco, how can Kyle find Natlee in a vast ocean floor within few days. RV Persistence can only afford to stay in Aruba for two weeks, the expenses are high in Aruba. December 18, 2007 7:06:00 PM EST natalee fans said... Kyle located the crab cage. Tim waits til after Mos' press conference tomorrow, he will make the announcement. December 19, 2007 6:47:00 AM EST Natalee fans said... Persistence, my darling, you have our American Flag onborad, and you stands on the firm foundation of Monroe Doctine long accepted by the South American States. Welcome our FBI watchdong onboard. Reject the wolves from the Dutch and Arubans. The whole world is watching you and protecting you while you are raising Natalee up from the ocean deep. God Bless America. December 19, 2007 12:34:00 PM EST Mos critic said... Tomorrow's Mos press conference is to deny Persistence's find's importance. December 19, 2007 9:03:00 PM EST what is this? said... The loop in Aruba has been broken loose by Persistence. All hells in Aruba gone wild. Taco accused Persistence is a spy mission. Judge Smid ordered ALE to board the ship and take control. December 20, 2007 5:41:00 AM EST kyle is my hero said... Kyle's new water sonar image has just capitalised the attention of the whole world. People are gluing to NBC for the live updates. Kyle is our hero. He is going to find Natalee and bring her home. I am very sure of it. Bye Bye Aruba. I just donated my hotel money to Persistence project. December 20, 2007 1:36:00 PM EST case documentary said... There seem to be a number of cages of skeletons sitting on the ocean floor. Persistence will have to pick them up in series for NBC to film the documentary. One of the cage will have Natalee's remains in it. With the documentary, the world will pressure judge Smid to convict J2K. December 20, 2007 9:19:00 PM EST DEA can fire on ALE said... ALE are tapping on the cellphone towers to listen on Persistence's wireless. They bugged the timeshare like Mos did without a court order. Periscopes are mounted on top of the high rises to watch the crew and operations. The Dutch spy satellite is tracking every inch of Persistence's movement. They are very unhappy about the clear sonar images. One image is of a drug submarine sunked by the coast guard. The other one image is the anchor and chain used to weight down a crab cage of a missing American's body. The crab cage is somewhere separated and sitting nearby. Persistence did not provide that image. It may be Natalee is inside the cage. This morning is super emotional and silent. John, Tim and Kyle are studying the closer snapshot of the crab cage. Something look like tennis shoes and a big knife inside. Some bones with some blue fabric around them. Most likely they belong to Natalee. The ALE are waiting for the warrant signed by judge Bob Witt to board Persistence and take over. However, the Persistence has the protection of the DEA helicopters. They can fire the hellfire missiles on the ALE boats. Aruba wants to make Persistence an international crisis to coverup it's cold case. December 21, 2007 11:33:00 AM EST WW3 between Dutch & US said... Kyle is very clever. The anchor and chain is a signal that he found Natalee already. Now it the military and political parties coming to play. The Aruban Dutch embassy in DC demands Persistence to turn over the cage Natalee to Joe Taco, Aruba's lawyer for custody. Joe Taco and Greta will make the announcement today in foxnews. However, the FBI already have the remains of Natalee in a safe to be flown back to Alabama. Rudy ordered the Dutch fighter jets to shoot down the DEA helicopters. There might be a WW3 between US and the Dutch. December 21, 2007 11:44:00 AM EST Boycott Aruba and Dutch said... As of this morning noon hours, the Cold Case War between United States and Aruba can flare up in any minutes. Aruba wants to interdict Persistence and seize the valuable remains of Natalee in a crab cage. The United States will protect the maiden ship Persistence. More hot news are coming in foxness and cnn. Pray for Natalee and Persistence. Boycott Aruba and Dutch. December 21, 2007 11:54:00 AM EST The Cold Case War is about Natalee said... The Cold Case War is not about oil, it's about Natalee's remains. The White House and Capital Hill politicians are all behind Natalee and suporting the Cold Case War against Aruba's Nazi acrocities. There are estimates of over a thousand crab caged bones and skeletons scattering around over the lighthouse ship trenches. Many of the cages may be the unmarked graves of missing Americans. The Arubans used heavy metals, anchors, chains, marine junk engines to weight the cages of bodies down into the ocean seabed. December 21, 2007 12:26:00 PM EST CCW is raging said... The CCW is on. Aruba is getting into the fight with Persistence. Ruddy contacted the sonar electronics manufactures and downloaded the specs from their websites. Sonar technolgies are deterministic and many are classified and restricted export licenses. Aruba has their best Dutch wireless hackers. They are reverse engineering the specs to determine the side sobar scanner frequecy bandwidth spectrum. ALE has installed a wideband signal generator transponder at the bow of their police patrol cruiser speedboat. The hacker will pick the right bandwidth noise to scramble Persistence sonar sweep waveform. The Cold Case War turns ugly and bitter for the Aruba government. December 21, 2007 4:34:00 PM EST FBI lab glue test said... From the deep sea, Persistence discovers the kidnaping, rape, murder and corpse disposal of Natalee by Joran. The tennis shoes found in the crab cage can be determined on the age of sea water immersion. The FBI lab is testing the the age of the glue in the tennis shoes. December 22, 2007 9:22:00 AM EST ale involved said... the anchor and chain gives a very good idea of the possible location of the crab cage. The anchor was from a speedboat. The chain was from KIA prison. Somebody joined them together with the crab cage. Looks like the ALE was involved of disposing the body of Natalee. December 22, 2007 10:03:00 AM EST natalee cheesecake said... 22 sq miles of the size of Manhattan is a good fortune cheese cake. John Silvetti and Tim Miller will find Natalee in a matter of hours either late tonight or tomorrow morning. Persistence is going to work 24 hours straight. Even the RUers give respects to Persistence as they hate Tim Miller's for his meddling of the Aruban internal affairs. December 22, 2007 11:22:00 AM EST rov maker & designer said... NBC video crew are filming every sq mile of the ROV search, including the lifting of the crab cage out from the deep sea floor. Preliminary examinations by the SeaEye video cam showed indeed it's Natalee inside the crab cage. Now the ROV has to know how to grap the crab cage safely at the sea bottom floor and climb back up safely to the sea level surface for Persistence to retrieve the prize. December 22, 2007 11:38:00 AM EST natalee's remains flown home said... The Dutch government said they don't trust Aruba and ALE. The Dutch will let Natalee's remains to be flown back to Alabama for burial. NBC will broadcast the Persistence documentary. FBI will do the forensics in USA. December 22, 2007 12:01:00 PM EST natalee's remains been found! said... NBC ratings are booked fully on the Persistence documentary on this Sunday premier. Rumors spread that Natalee's remaians has been found. More breaking news in tonight's Fox network. December 22, 2007 2:43:00 PM EST The Persistence is safe and sound. said... The Persistence is safe and sound. She is ready to go out back there this afternoon to pick up Natalee. The crew know exactly where the crab trap is after studying the collected data all night til this morning. December 23, 2007 9:19:00 AM EST Dutch marines on alert said... The "missing and found" Joyce didn't sound good to Aruba. If she left with two strangers, she must be rape drugged. And who brought her back to the hotel. Why did it have to be Holiday Inn? Aruba is conspiring the incident to influence the Persistence operation. Tim and John know where the crap trap is. They gave us a sign of contruction wire materials dumped at sea. Also Persistence is linking up the necessary political and mass media forces, so Aruba can't claim Natalee's remains upfront. The Holland Dutch are helping and backing the Persistence project. Only the Aruba Dutch are the trouble makers in wait. You can see how angry and unpolite the Aruban dirty police are. They were wearing the bullet proof vests while looking for the missing American woman. Strange, isn't it? Aruba is at war with the Persistence. And Persistence is under the protecttion of the Dutch Marines deadly forces. They are under the order to kill anyone who will endanger Persistence. The Holland government have had enough of the Aruban government's corruptions and coverups. December 24, 2007 4:30:00 AM EST Anonymous said... There are more than one crab trap of bones found in the sea grids. NBC crew is DVDing every video feed from the sonar and megneto sensors. The sea has revealed all the dark and cruel secrets done by Aruba. The US Navy is on high alert to protect the crew memebers onboard Persistence against any perceived attacks from any enemies. The Christmas at sea is very tight in security and high tension in new few days. The friendly cargo ships are providing all the supplies to Persistence including the Christmas dinners. There are at least over twenty suspected containers of skeletons on the sea floor. December 24, 2007 1:07:00 PM EST awash of horrors in Aruba sea said... The Interpol is participating in the search since more suspected boxes of bones are discovered on the ocean floor. The Aruban government is being watched closely and constantly to see any wrong moves they are making. It's more like a military curfew in Aruba right now. December 24, 2007 1:17:00 PM EST Anonymous said... To many Americans, Christmas is still a working holiday. DEA and FBI are following Aruba's dumping patterns and investigate how the undersea drug trafickings are carried out December 24, 2007 2:45:00 PM EST The red dots said... The magnetometer will discrete a red dot on the ocean floor for an object of 60% or more metal attributes. Anything greater than 10 % will be in orange tile. It ignores non metalic debris. So far, more than 20 red dots appear on the mapping profile. The Persistence scientists strongly believe Natalee is among those red dots. The US Navy are interested in those red dots. They have their own sonar ROV survey in the area, completely unrelated to the Persistence project. December 24, 2007 11:27:00 PM EST dutch marine buddy said... The new picture shows the Persistence is a well equiped research vessel. It has a dome powerful satellite dish and gps. Beautiful light blue body color makes her so elegant and smart. Docking at a secure and remote site demonstrates Tim and John's strength and experience. All indications are concluding that they located Natalee, and now is coordinating the best efforts to recover the crab trap. The US Navy is offering the needed logistics like airlifting Natalee's remains back to Alabama directly without the knowledge of the Aruban government. It may happen already. Tim will announce the breaking news as soon as Natalee's remains arrives in Alabama and into her parents' hands. The Aruban government cannot be trusted. The Persistence is protected by the Dutch Marines at all time. The docking for Persistence is next to the Dutch Marine patrol ship base. The ALE has to pass the military checkpoint in order to search Persistence. The ALE was denied the entry and warned to leave immediately. December 25, 2007 10:03:00 PM EST Dutch Marines warn the ALE said... The NW 3D bathymetric view from California Lighthouse is of Anti-Submarine Warfare quality. Nothing can escape detection. The cross-legged ravines at the mid section of the 750 ft contour interval is where the crab cage is located. The tip comes from the US Navy databae. The ROV will locate and retrieve Natalee's remains today. The Persistence project has caught the world's attention today. Many mass media are reporting. The Dutch Marines are on guard at the airport and make sure the ALE won't interfere with the ROV crew arrival. The Dutch Marines have a shoot to kill order to warn the ALE to stay out of the harm's way. This is dead serious. The whole Dutch government are backing up the Persistence Project. December 26, 2007 3:17:00 AM EST Anonymous said... The cold sea water compressed body has been located. The ROV is wrapping the crab cage with harness. The Persistence is ready to elevate the crab cage from the sea bottom. The ROV is hovering underneath the crab cage and filming. December 26, 2007 12:42:00 PM EST Amy Bradley was there too said... The Persistence located the crap cage last week with the anchor and chain attached to it. NBC was doing a very detailed documentary on it. The crew were contacting FBI, Interpol and US Navy. The Dutch were supporting but didn't want to get involved, they wanted Aruba nailed and dead. The sonar also located additonal dumping sites. The ROV videoes different crap cages and containers before they are brought to surface for examination tomorrow. The Persistence is building the case that not just Natalee's body was dumped at sea, there were missing Americans like Amy Bradley was among those crab cages of bones doscovered by Kyle. December 27, 2007 1:17:00 AM EST murphy's law serendipity said... The Murphy's law could also mean serendipity. It is part of the discovery process. It's not like judge Rik Smid who rules every evidence against the murder suspect Joran. So far, nothing damaged, it's a good sign. Kyle just tells the way it is. What he doen't tell you is he has found Natalee already. He is collecting more evidences including Amy Bradley to present his case to the American people. Aruba had been dumping corpses everywhere, in shallow sea or deep ocean. December 27, 2007 1:35:00 AM EST Kyle real ocean scientist hero said... That's right, the cross-leg ravines at the top of the chart Kyle is holding. The pocket is where Natalee is located. Kyle has the star power and also PR charisma. He is a real ocean scientist hero. December 27, 2007 9:44:00 AM EST 2 cages of bones discovered said... Two cases of bones are discovered by the ROV. The Dutch government are very angry with Aruba. All the images are being studied by the HFI. The Persistence is waiting for the annoucement from the Dutch government in Hague. Joran is closely under watch by the Dutch Marines, to prevent his escape or sabotage from his home in Montana, Aruba. ALE is warned not to engage. December 28, 2007 10:42:00 AM EST https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=19199597&postID=5767307859974282555&isPopup=true The puzzle solved is NATALEE FOUND said... The wheel of fortunes is of the Persistence. The puzzle solved by Kyle is NATALEE FOUND. December 29, 2007 12:37:00 AM EST world court deposition said... The world cannot sleep tonight, including Aruba. There are more than 20 sites detected by the side scan sonar. The first container of bones will be examined and videoed by the ROV. The live video will be on Internet for the world to see. We will find Natalee Holloway in any of those crab traps at anytime tomorrow. This is a world court deposition and discovery process. December 29, 2007 5:44:00 AM EST dental records on real time match said... The ROV real time remote satellite networking software has the military strength and powerful query database. The forensics labs staff in US and Holland are working together to analyse the ROV video feed streams. They can match the patterns of the crab cages with the part numbers stored in the database, and determine the origins of these crab cages, and how they had been sitting on the deep ocean floor. For certainty, Kyle and Tim will find Natalee, maybe Amy Bradley as well. Those two American women got vanished from the CnC lady drinks bar. Their dental records are on real time query to identify the remains. December 29, 2007 12:07:00 PM EST bring natalee home directly said... When both sides of the Dutch and US forensics experts come to agreement, the Persistence crew can bring the crab cage up from the ocean bottom. FBI will cerify and package the forensic evidences. The navy plane will carry Natalee's remains directly to Mountain Brooks, Alabama. December 29, 2007 12:41:00 PM EST can be traced back to Joran said... The tennis shoes found in the crab cage can be traced back to Joran. Most high end expensive tennis shoes have embedded magnetic strips stamped with serial numbers embedded into the bodies of each pair of shoes. The database saved the credit card receipt copies up to 10 years for credit reporting. December 29, 2007 12:54:00 PM EST The match is well worth of $1000 said... The FBI contacted the shoe store in South Floride. The credit card is traced back to the Sloot family. The store security camera also recorded Joran van der Sloot was in the store looking at tennis shoes. The match is well worth of $1000 US currency. So you have the solid forensic evidence for the trial you want in the US court. December 29, 2007 1:34:00 PM EST Kyle commands ROV to raise cage to surface said... Kyle finally learns how to pilot the ROV like the new US Navy Osprey. He tilts the twin rotors at various angles and rpm, and takes advantage of the new added counterweight tail hook. The ROV rides gracefully on the bouyance of the strong currents. Kyle is on top of everythings inside Persistence. The Persistence is teaching the ROV to anchor her tail hook to the crab trap, and use its claw to grip the cage handle. The crab cage is on the way up to the surface. NBC video team glue their eys on the control panel LCD as Kyle commands the ROV. December 31, 2007 4:50:00 AM EST preparing criminal charges against the Aruban government officials said... The Dutch Justice Department in Holland are preparing criminal charges against the Aruban government officials like, Oduber, Ruddy, Smid, Smit, Wit and Julia for unspecified obstruction of justice, concealment of bodies, illegal drugs and firearms. The Dutch government are receiving their live ROV video streams every few minutes. They are so happy and satisfied with their smart investments in the Persistence project. December 31, 2007 10:28:00 AM EST Natalee is found said... The cold deep water has been preserving Natalee's body in the crab trap. There are many crab traps scattering over the search area. The Persistence has chosen three likely candidates to be brought up to the sea level surface and into the ship for examinations. The ROV spots human remains inside those three cages. Natalee is there. It will be the breaking news for year 2008. January 1, 2008 8:55:00 AM EST Anonymous said... Natalee's crab trap will be shown on the Internet January 1, 2008 3:55:00 PM EST Persistence project receives a A+ grade said... The Persistence project receives a A+ grade from the Dutch government based on the preliminary side scan sonar video report review. The Dutch government cut the funding for the new SUV police cars program in Aruba ALE. The Dutch government use that money to invest more into the Persistence project January 3, 2008 12:30:00 AM EST Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 Post by: Lifesong on April 08, 2009, 07:23:39 PM I don't know about the rest of you... But I can't wait to bust outta this egg!! <====== My legs are cramped! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 Post by: klaasend on April 08, 2009, 07:42:49 PM Klaas - clarify the rules on posting personal emails from a banned poster that just arrived to prove I am not making this shit up. Thank you in advance. We should not be posting personal emails between forum members. Sometimes personal emails from say TJ Ward or Jossy, when it pertains to the case and they are aware the info is going to be shared is OK. There have been violations of the rules due to the attacks many of us have received behind the scenes but rules are that we don't do it. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Buckeye on April 08, 2009, 07:57:58 PM Help for Johan, since he, once again, forgot to link his source. This, I believe, is the new Worldjournier site. Of course the source could have been SM since we had the ISA newspaper posted. Val's dive awards (about 2/3 down):
http://nataleetimelinedetails.blogspot.com/2009/02/timeline-1-through-may-28-2005.html Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 08, 2009, 08:03:09 PM Help for Johan, since he, once again, forgot to link his source. This, I believe, is the new Worldjournier site. Of course the source could have been SM since we had the ISA newspaper posted. Val's dive awards (about 2/3 down): http://nataleetimelinedetails.blogspot.com/2009/02/timeline-1-through-may-28-2005.html Thanks, Buckeye. It's listed with the 2005 'news'. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 Post by: wreck on April 08, 2009, 08:04:20 PM The hinkiness continues for a couple of weeks at least...start at the bottom and read up - notice the dates there too. More of the Comments from the Boycott Aruba blog (Michelle's site): https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=19199597&postID=6671787776298095730&isPopup=true I think this poster had ties to Arkansas (he referenced Mike Huckabee as one to speak out) --JMO Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Buckeye on April 08, 2009, 08:53:47 PM The divers might have thought they were using the "lights only" from the ROV. The divers might not have known there was filming, also. ::MonkeyRoll::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 08, 2009, 09:07:22 PM The divers might have thought they were using the "lights only" from the ROV. The divers might not have known there was filming, also. ::MonkeyRoll:: That is my thought too, Buckeye. Logic dictates! ::MonkeyTongue:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 Post by: BUCKSHOT on April 08, 2009, 09:55:51 PM Klaas - clarify the rules on posting personal emails from a banned poster that just arrived to prove I am not making this shit up. Thank you in advance. We should not be posting personal emails between forum members. Sometimes personal emails from say TJ Ward or Jossy, when it pertains to the case and they are aware the info is going to be shared is OK. There have been violations of the rules due to the attacks many of us have received behind the scenes but rules are that we don't do it. Summarize and paraphrase? We trust you. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 Post by: wreck on April 08, 2009, 10:05:53 PM Klaas - clarify the rules on posting personal emails from a banned poster that just arrived to prove I am not making this shit up. Thank you in advance. We should not be posting personal emails between forum members. Sometimes personal emails from say TJ Ward or Jossy, when it pertains to the case and they are aware the info is going to be shared is OK. There have been violations of the rules due to the attacks many of us have received behind the scenes but rules are that we don't do it. Summarize and paraphrase? We trust you. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 Post by: klaasend on April 08, 2009, 10:08:08 PM Klaas - clarify the rules on posting personal emails from a banned poster that just arrived to prove I am not making this shit up. Thank you in advance. We should not be posting personal emails between forum members. Sometimes personal emails from say TJ Ward or Jossy, when it pertains to the case and they are aware the info is going to be shared is OK. There have been violations of the rules due to the attacks many of us have received behind the scenes but rules are that we don't do it. Summarize and paraphrase? We trust you. Exactly ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 08, 2009, 10:14:16 PM O/T Anna.....I saw the picture of the Colt on the last thread....Yes He is a Beauty....Appears to Me to be Quarter Horse.....Thank You for posting it....I never doubted for a minute that You had a horse or that You Have raised horses before....He appears to be sorrel in the pictue and He looks like He will grow to be pretty big....Again Thank You for posting the pic...I love horses and maybe one of these days soon We will have more....When My Papa got sick back in 2005 we sold all of Ours to move and take care of Him...We were Very picky on who We sold Them to and have become friends with all of their current owners so that We can stay in touch..... Thanks Again ::MonkeyCool::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 08, 2009, 10:28:24 PM O/T Anna.....I saw the picture of the Colt on the last thread....Yes He is a Beauty....Appears to Me to be Quarter Horse.....Thank You for posting it....I never doubted for a minute that You had a horse or that You Have raised horses before....He appears to be sorrel in the pictue and He looks like He will grow to be pretty big....Again Thank You for posting the pic...I love horses and maybe one of these days soon We will have more....When My Papa got sick back in 2005 we sold all of Ours to move and take care of Him...We were Very picky on who We sold Them to and have become friends with all of their current owners so that We can stay in touch..... Thanks Again ::MonkeyCool:: Hotping, yes that is what he is and additional photos in musings. He is much better today, too. ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 08, 2009, 10:28:55 PM WOW! ::MonkeyShocked::
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55069.php Aruba Partially acquittal of suspects Landslab 8 Apr, 2009, 17:29 (GMT -04:00) ORANGE CITY - Yolanda Vrolijk and Jacqueline Geerman, co-defendants in a million fraud at the Land Laboratory, were yesterday acquitted of embezzlement of public funds and forgery of documents. However, the two guilty of money laundering. The court made Vrolijk and Geerman a penalty of 180 days cell, of which 106 days conditionally or cell 240 days, of which 157 days probation. With deduction of pre-trial detention should therefore no longer in jail. The pair had been the pro forma session in July 2008 release. The penalties are a line through the account of the Public Prosecutor (OM) against Vrolijk Geerman and demanded punishment of three and four years. Furthermore, that wanted it for the court two for a period of several years would prohibit the public to act. Even with this requirement, the court does not respond. The court did not consider it proved that Merry willfully and with ill will has forged papers. "She did just what it was ordered by her supervisor," said the judge. In the case of Geerman was the court considers that it is insufficient evidence to declare her guilty of embezzlement and forgery of documents. Did Vrolijk and Geerman according to the court to believe that the money from fraudster Maiky Faro from 'criminal' was submitted. The laundering of this money could the two, the court thus be charged. Appeal The OM is not satisfied with the verdict and "the same as Mario Faro appeal. According to Prosecutor Dop Kruimel will appeal in the case of Faro focus on the sentence because the offenses were deemed to be proven. Between the eight years imprisonment demanded for it and the final sentence of 4.5 years is the officer "a great distance." In the case of Vrolijk and Geerman will try for the Court to confirm the guilt of the two of 'the co-commission of embezzlement and forgery of documents. The fact that the penalties in this case - in which more than 10 million florin tax money has been misappropriated - as low, a 'wrong signal' to the population and partly the reason why the OM is appealed. "The punishment does not reflect the seriousness of the crime," said the OM. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: billb's daughter on April 08, 2009, 10:29:42 PM Quote from: Lifesong on Today at 06:17:13 PM
The hinkiness continues for a couple of weeks at least...start at the bottom and read up - notice the dates there too. More of the Comments from the Boycott Aruba blog (Michelle's site): Hinkiness for sure! Reading through these posts sure makes me wonder that someone or someones were surely in the know wrt the happenings on the Persistence..if only a quarter of what was posted is anywhere near the truth, the implications are far reaching and mind boggling.... If Natalee remains WERE recovered by the good guys...what is preventing the good guys (authorities) from going public? Is there more evidence to be collected and put together in case form by prosecutors (Dutch, American, world court?) or is there other remains (not Natalee) that need additional consideration for prosecution. Maybe the good guys are still trying to flush out more perps? Obviously I don't have the answers, but I can read this and think that there just might be a bigger plan by the good guys that will bring wrath down on the perps on secure Justice for Natalee.....and maybe others..... Just stumbling along now I guess......I am a believer in the good guys always getting the bad guys though.....sigh.... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: klaasend on April 08, 2009, 10:31:26 PM Posted by Debbie at BFN:
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8848.msg412523#new I received this email today from Rachel at Lifetime Movie Network, she asked if we would like some info on the movie, I told her yes and thank you!!! Here is her reply: Glad we can provide you with content Debbie. Here are some video links: Trailer Cast/Beth (Natalee’s mom) Best, Rachel Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: klaasend on April 08, 2009, 10:32:59 PM ::MonkeyShocked:: The court made Vrolijk and Geerman a penalty of 180 days cell (snipped)
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 08, 2009, 10:39:00 PM ::MonkeyShocked::
Vrolijk, Geerman, Faro.....sound familiar to me. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: wreck on April 08, 2009, 10:39:49 PM Quote from: Lifesong on Today at 06:17:13 PM I don't know WHAT to think!!The hinkiness continues for a couple of weeks at least...start at the bottom and read up - notice the dates there too. More of the Comments from the Boycott Aruba blog (Michelle's site): Hinkiness for sure! Reading through these posts sure makes me wonder that someone or someones were surely in the know wrt the happenings on the Persistence..if only a quarter of what was posted is anywhere near the truth, the implications are far reaching and mind boggling.... If Natalee remains WERE recovered by the good guys...what is preventing the good guys (authorities) from going public? Is there more evidence to be collected and put together in case form by prosecutors (Dutch, American, world court?) or is there other remains (not Natalee) that need additional consideration for prosecution. Maybe the good guys are still trying to flush out more perps? Obviously I don't have the answers, but I can read this and think that there just might be a bigger plan by the good guys that will bring wrath down on the perps on secure Justice for Natalee.....and maybe others..... Just stumbling along now I guess......I am a believer in the good guys always getting the bad guys though.....sigh.... This was my post in VERY early '08: Quote Quote from: wreck on Today at 03:20:36 PM I'm going to dig a bigger hole for myself as I think few are following what I'm saying. 1) The Persistence in all likelihood has found Natalee in the trap. 2) They really did not want to expose this just yet. Why? Because they still need to "prove" the "whys" and "hows". They have a better chance of accomplishing this if the actual "perps" aren't "clued in." 3) Why the "Dateline" irregularities? Because "Dateline" was already on board and they had to keep up "appearances" so they could continue with their "plan." 4) The posting of the pics on the internet put a severe cramp in their plans. 5) Why is trap so big? Because the body disposal did not happen that night as in Joran's story. Her body was put there at least a few days later by a bigger boat involving a larger cover-up. This why they did not reveal their "finding" yet. They want to find out who has that bigger boat. Once again -- my opinion. We have waited 3 years -- hold on -- we're almost there! ~~~~~~ (KYLE: ) I also pray that you are right! Wreck, I like the way you think. Wreck, then what are your thoughts on Mos's press release about the FBI results? Don't know - don't care what Mos says or does. I trusted him up until Thanksgiving time. Never again. trainwreck .gif = (http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x58/rorothe/trainwreck.gif) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 08, 2009, 10:40:28 PM ::MonkeyShocked:: Vrolijk, Geerman, Faro.....sound familiar to me. ::MonkeyHaHa:: So does money laundering. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 08, 2009, 10:41:19 PM http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55063.php
This one caught my eye! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Aruba New world record attempt 'red noses over' 8 Apr, 2009, 17:18 (GMT -04:00) ORANGE CITY - For the third time on Sunday, April 19 Flora's Clown Doctors Caminata held, and this year, the organization attempted to enter the Guinness Book of World Records it. The aim is that at least 1,001 walkers ten minutes wearing a red clown nose. The action is filmed and put on YouTube and the organization hopes to one viewer shit. The record is ten minutes before the start, and introduced by Ruben Garcia. The route is about six kilometers and can register on the day from three o'clock in the afternoon. Participation costs 10 florin per person. The walk will start at five o'clock. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 08, 2009, 10:43:28 PM http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55063.php This one caught my eye! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Aruba New world record attempt 'red noses over' 8 Apr, 2009, 17:18 (GMT -04:00) ORANGE CITY - For the third time on Sunday, April 19 Flora's Clown Doctors Caminata held, and this year, the organization attempted to enter the Guinness Book of World Records it. The aim is that at least 1,001 walkers ten minutes wearing a red clown nose. The action is filmed and put on YouTube and the organization hopes to one viewer shit. The record is ten minutes before the start, and introduced by Ruben Garcia. The route is about six kilometers and can register on the day from three o'clock in the afternoon. Participation costs 10 florin per person. The walk will start at five o'clock. The bolded caught my eye, too. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 08, 2009, 10:45:33 PM Posted by Debbie at BFN: http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8848.msg412523#new I received this email today from Rachel at Lifetime Movie Network, she asked if we would like some info on the movie, I told her yes and thank you!!! Here is her reply: Glad we can provide you with content Debbie. Here are some video links: Trailer Cast/Beth (Natalee’s mom) Best, Rachel Those are so good. Beth looks wonderful, the real Beth. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 08, 2009, 10:47:22 PM ::MonkeyShocked:: Vrolijk, Geerman, Faro.....sound familiar to me. ::MonkeyHaHa:: So does money laundering. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Vrolijk and Geerman are the women who were charged with Maiky Faro in the embezzlement case that has been in the news for a while now. Booshi Wever's department...and he's taking some heat for it too finally. He will probably skate too. JMO Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 08, 2009, 10:48:19 PM I broke the videos!
::MonkeyWaa:: I guess it would be better just to remove the links as they are just above on the page anyway. I could di it myself if I had an edit button. But if you will fix it, I will never bother a mod again! ::MonkeyTongue:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: billb's daughter on April 08, 2009, 10:51:21 PM Quote from: Lifesong on Today at 06:17:13 PM I don't know WHAT to think!!The hinkiness continues for a couple of weeks at least...start at the bottom and read up - notice the dates there too. More of the Comments from the Boycott Aruba blog (Michelle's site): Hinkiness for sure! Reading through these posts sure makes me wonder that someone or someones were surely in the know wrt the happenings on the Persistence..if only a quarter of what was posted is anywhere near the truth, the implications are far reaching and mind boggling.... If Natalee remains WERE recovered by the good guys...what is preventing the good guys (authorities) from going public? Is there more evidence to be collected and put together in case form by prosecutors (Dutch, American, world court?) or is there other remains (not Natalee) that need additional consideration for prosecution. Maybe the good guys are still trying to flush out more perps? Obviously I don't have the answers, but I can read this and think that there just might be a bigger plan by the good guys that will bring wrath down on the perps on secure Justice for Natalee.....and maybe others..... Just stumbling along now I guess......I am a believer in the good guys always getting the bad guys though.....sigh.... This was my post in VERY early '08: Quote Quote from: wreck on Today at 03:20:36 PM I'm going to dig a bigger hole for myself as I think few are following what I'm saying. 1) The Persistence in all likelihood has found Natalee in the trap. 2) They really did not want to expose this just yet. Why? Because they still need to "prove" the "whys" and "hows". They have a better chance of accomplishing this if the actual "perps" aren't "clued in." 3) Why the "Dateline" irregularities? Because "Dateline" was already on board and they had to keep up "appearances" so they could continue with their "plan." 4) The posting of the pics on the internet put a severe cramp in their plans. 5) Why is trap so big? Because the body disposal did not happen that night as in Joran's story. Her body was put there at least a few days later by a bigger boat involving a larger cover-up. This why they did not reveal their "finding" yet. They want to find out who has that bigger boat. Once again -- my opinion. We have waited 3 years -- hold on -- we're almost there! ~~~~~~ (KYLE: ) I also pray that you are right! Wreck, I like the way you think. Wreck, then what are your thoughts on Mos's press release about the FBI results? Don't know - don't care what Mos says or does. I trusted him up until Thanksgiving time. Never again. trainwreck .gif = (http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x58/rorothe/trainwreck.gif) But things slowed down until kyle started up with Freebirds and then Kermit, supported by Jen/Wingnut/Sharon and others brought forward the suspected cover up by ALE with help of Persistence John S, Tim T., kyle, louis s.... Now with the Boycott Aruba blog (Michelle's site) coming up again...... I just get my hopes up that a bigger plan is playing out behind the scenes that will one day (hopefully soon) put the perps where they belong, return Natalee to her loved ones (or reveal that they already have been returned) and expose the cover up and all those involved in the cover up...... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 08, 2009, 10:53:55 PM http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55063.php This one caught my eye! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Aruba New world record attempt 'red noses over' 8 Apr, 2009, 17:18 (GMT -04:00) ORANGE CITY - For the third time on Sunday, April 19 Flora's Clown Doctors Caminata held, and this year, the organization attempted to enter the Guinness Book of World Records it. The aim is that at least 1,001 walkers ten minutes wearing a red clown nose. The action is filmed and put on YouTube and the organization hopes to one viewer shit. The record is ten minutes before the start, and introduced by Ruben Garcia. The route is about six kilometers and can register on the day from three o'clock in the afternoon. Participation costs 10 florin per person. The walk will start at five o'clock. The bolded caught my eye, too. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 08, 2009, 10:56:47 PM I broke the videos! ::MonkeyWaa:: I guess it would be better just to remove the links as they are just above on the page anyway. I could di it myself if I had an edit button. But if you will fix it, I will never bother a mod again! ::MonkeyTongue:: I just tried to fix them and failed...so much for edit button. I wouldn't worry about it, but still wonder why they got messed up in a simple quote. Guess I'm still in the learning curve. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 08, 2009, 11:11:20 PM ::MonkeyShocked:: Vrolijk, Geerman, Faro.....sound familiar to me. ::MonkeyHaHa:: So does money laundering. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Vrolijk and Geerman are the women who were charged with Maiky Faro in the embezzlement case that has been in the news for a while now. Booshi Wever's department...and he's taking some heat for it too finally. He will probably skate too. JMO Thanks, texasmom......was just having a ::MonkeyTongue:: moment. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 08, 2009, 11:25:39 PM ::MonkeyShocked:: Vrolijk, Geerman, Faro.....sound familiar to me. ::MonkeyHaHa:: So does money laundering. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Vrolijk and Geerman are the women who were charged with Maiky Faro in the embezzlement case that has been in the news for a while now. Booshi Wever's department...and he's taking some heat for it too finally. He will probably skate too. JMO ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink:: Thanks, texasmom......was just having a ::MonkeyTongue:: moment. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 08, 2009, 11:27:28 PM ::MonkeyShocked:: Vrolijk, Geerman, Faro.....sound familiar to me. ::MonkeyHaHa:: So does money laundering. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Vrolijk and Geerman are the women who were charged with Maiky Faro in the embezzlement case that has been in the news for a while now. Booshi Wever's department...and he's taking some heat for it too finally. He will probably skate too. JMO Thanks, texasmom......was just having a ::MonkeyTongue:: moment. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWaa:: Just fixing the darned quote stack! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 09, 2009, 12:08:12 AM More comments from the Boycott Aruba blog (Michelle's site). These are from 1-08-2008 to 1-31-2008...I'm only pulling the comments that refer to the Persistence, the crab trap, or the ocean search in general ... can't wait 'til we get to the pond stuff in March. ::MonkeyEek:: http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2008/01/like-plague.html glenda said... NFI and FBI divided up the crab trap cages for forensics identifications. If the DNA indicators show male positive, the associated cages go to NFI in Holland. The rest of the crab cages will be tested by FBI in Virginia. So far, over a hundred crab cages have been recovered by the Persistence after so many search trips. Aruba is very upset. January 8, 2008 9:48:00 AM EST The young politicians don't like the status quo said... The Dutch government will pay for the 25 miles survey around Aruba. The Persistence has to make a living and pay the bills. The expenses in Aruba are high. Plus the Dutch government want to leave all the forensic evidences at the seabed. They will used the collected data and build a body dumping case against Aruba. There is a big investigation of the Aruban government corruptions and coverups. The young politicians don't like the status quo of the Kingdom of Netherlands. They would not allow the Odubar gangs to steal the Antillies from the Dutch government. The Dutch government allow the US Coast Guard ships to enter the Aruba harbor of the free trade zone despite of the protest by Aruban government. January 10, 2008 12:19:00 AM EST betty said... Deepak's Aruba internet cafe is constantly monitored by FBI since taking over Natalee's cold case in international waters. There is a 75% chance that the fish trap cage will be found. Some tips were picked up from the recent Deepak internet traffic with Dr. Phil's lawsuit. January 10, 2008 9:15:00 AM EST flying fish over at the lighthouse said... The new grid is based on the newest tip picked up by FBI on Deepak's Internet to his Chicago lawyers. "There are no sharks but flying fish over at the lighthouse". Deepak quipped. January 10, 2008 3:27:00 PM EST 3 miles out to the ocean. said... To be able to see the flying fish, you have to be 3 miles out to the ocean. January 10, 2008 11:25:00 PM EST Natalee's crab cage is currently located. said... Hundreds of crab cages of corpses are found scattering over the 57 sq miles northwest of the California lighthouse. The Dutch government is well pleased by the hard work of Persistence. The hump of the dark blue contour line points at the cross legged ravine where Natalee's crab cage is currently located. January 11, 2008 3:55:00 AM EST Aruba seeking independence said... Natalee has been located. Dutch government want Persistence to keep it secret for a few more days and stay out at sea as much as possible. Aruba is at the eve of seeking independence with a militaried ALE. Dutch Parliament is preparing the Dutch military force to put down the rebellion in Aruba. No American tourists should travel to Aruba now, it's a very dangerous civil start to explode January 11, 2008 10:39:00 AM EST suppress the Aruban government treasons said... The excessive corpse dumpings and criminal activities at sea are the major causes for the Dutch government to suppress the Aruban government treasons and execute the removals of all the corrupt officials and judges like Odubar, Rudy, Julia, Witt and Smid. January 11, 2008 11:07:00 AM EST to count all the dumped corpses said... The Dutch government said as long as it takes for Persistence to count all the dumped corpses in and around the Aruba sea. The Dutch government are fully vested in the Aruba cleanup project even though it may cost them millions of USD. That's the only way to make Aruba a good and safe attraction for the American tourists. January 11, 2008 1:38:00 PM EST http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2008/01/nelson-oduber-man-of-his-word-or-part.html latitude 12º 52’ N and longitude 70º 53’W said... The Latitude of the quay in Oranjestad is 12º 31’ N and the longitude is 70º 02’W: The Latitude of the quay in Barcadera is 12º 29’ N and the longitude is 70º 00’W. Natalee's remains had been located at latitude 12º 52’ N and longitude 70º 53’W. January 12, 2008 2:11:00 AM EST cannot have his true feelings said... Prime Minister Nelson Oduber cannot have his true feelings about Natalee Holloway disappearance due to the current investigation of corpse dumpings into the ocean by the Dutch Parliament. January 12, 2008 8:57:00 AM EST not taking any chances said... If the Natalee case were closed, Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) wanted a thorough investigation be conducted with the help of FBI. Now Oduber is fighting with the Queen Beatrix to get Aruba independence, he is not taking any chances. January 12, 2008 9:05:00 AM EST Aruba dirty police participated in said... It is incomprehensible that Aruba dirty police participated in the disposal of Natalee Holloway’s body, after the intial study of the data collected by the Persistence, said the forensics criminal law professor of Holland University, Roberto. January 12, 2008 9:15:00 AM EST http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2008/01/today-on-oprah-beth-and-matt-holloway.html The Dutch government is very angry with Aruba said... KLPD strongly suspected ALE had helped the disposal of Natalee Holloway's body. Based on that tip, the Persistence is looking for the blue barrel in much deeper waters. ALE might have used their police helicoptor to commit that crime. Natalee's corpse was dismenbered and dumped twice during the nights to avoid suspicions and sightings. The crab cage had been found sometime ago in shallow waters. However, the Dutch forensics lab in Hague found cut marks on the bone and joint. The remains is incomplete and slaughtered. The Dutch government is very angry with Aruba. January 17, 2008 4:55:00 AM EST http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2008/01/beth-shares-her-thanks-to-boycott.html pending on 200% proof of Natalee's remains said... The new crew will start to retrieve the blue barrel from the 1000 ft deep sea bed. If the human remains is found to be DNA matching with that found in the fish trap retrieved few weeks ago, that's 200% proof that the remains are of Natalee. Natalee's remains were separated into the blue barrel and the fish trap disposed at different timeline and locations. It strongly suggested the Aruban goverment and ALE were involved in the murder of Natalee Holloway. Oduber is planning to flee to Veneszula to escape prosecution. Police helicopter was used in the disposal of the blue barrel based on the blackbox flight log obtained by KLPD last year. January 24, 2008 12:01:00 AM EST It's getting very interesting said... Aruba's international reputation is badly damaged by their systematic corpse dumpings in last five years since Oduber is in power. A new Dutch crime report writer went to Caracao last week to help Persistence to identify the human remains they recovered by ROV. The reporter wants to find out if the two missing Dutch agents were among the human remains. January 24, 2008 9:08:00 PM EST Natalee cold case reopens said... The Aruban judicial system has a safety switch on and off system, when the Natalee case gets too cold, it will turn the case back on again and keep warm. The Natalee case will be re-open once the Persistence present a body to the Aruban prosecutor next week. January 26, 2008 8:57:00 AM EST catch Aruban government off guard said... Long ago ArubanBoycott said you can find Natalee at the cross legged ravine depression. The newest Persistence 3D sea floor profile just shows that. Natalee has been found. The Dutch Navy just want to catch the Aruba government off guard. They want arrest Oduber first, then the accomplices including some judges and ministers. This is earth shaking. January 30, 2008 3:01:00 PM EST right on the target said... You can see two clearly crab traps within 100 ft of the big long wreck of old cargo vessel. Kyle has the extreme talent of locating the right target of interest. The side scan sonar shot is amazingly accurate. January 31, 2008 10:37:00 AM EST Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Mere on April 09, 2009, 12:11:34 AM Good Night Monkeys.... :2waver:
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: wreck on April 09, 2009, 12:15:23 AM ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 09, 2009, 12:21:22 AM ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: My thoughts exactly, Wreck! I don't know what to think either. I'm wondering if maybe this is where Caps got some of his "dismembered" stuff though. I'm also trying to remember who it was that posted here about the secret take-down of Aruban officials being prepared behind the scenes....anyone else remember that stuff? Goodnight, Mere! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 09, 2009, 12:26:56 AM Good Night Monkeys.... :2waver: Good Night Mere! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: wreck on April 09, 2009, 12:28:41 AM ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: My thoughts exactly, Wreck! I don't know what to think either. I'm wondering if maybe this is where Caps got some of his "dismembered" stuff though. I'm also trying to remember who it was that posted here about the secret take-down of Aruban officials being prepared behind the scenes....anyone else remember that stuff? Goodnight, Mere! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: wreck on April 09, 2009, 12:31:34 AM For the last 3 years, I have ALWAYS believed that our FBI and State Department were MUCH more involved than what we have seen on the surface. (Robots and I were always on the same page there). Now, I am just puzzled.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: wreck on April 09, 2009, 12:44:36 AM IF this were somehow all true --- it would sure explain the actions of a lot of people -- including Tim, Silvetti, Kyle, and Dave and Robin. ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: (would not explain Caps et al)
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 09, 2009, 12:45:54 AM Thanks, Lifesong. Wondering why none of us saw them....guess we were too involved here. I'm guilty, because I seldom read elsewhere unless I am searching for something in particular.
Wreck, I know you and Robots were always on the same page. G'nite. See you later. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 09, 2009, 12:47:55 AM Thanks, Lifesong. Wondering why none of us saw them....guess we were too involved here. I'm guilty, because I seldom read elsewhere unless I am searching for something in particular. Wreck, I know you and Robots were always on the same page. G'nite. See you later. Good Night 2NJ! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 09, 2009, 12:53:22 AM Remember Hotshot posting that Dave was very opposed to the movie? She said he said "That's my little girl" or something like that as proof of his disapproval. She posts at BFN and they seem to be promoting and supporting the movie.
So does Dave Holloway approve of this movie or not? Was Hotshot lying about that? Not that it would be a first or anything but was just thinking about that contradiction. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 09, 2009, 12:55:04 AM Those post at Michelle's blog have me really confused.
I keep wondering who. I keep thinking maybe Clyde Burke, but that is just my opinion. I don't know if dates on the posts could have been changed, but I wouldn't think so. Somebody at GM said that they could. Notice though that there is no blame on Joran or the Kalpoes. It is on Oduber and the gov't officials. I do not believe that bodies were found other than the one we have seen. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: wreck on April 09, 2009, 12:58:32 AM Those post at Michelle's blog have me really confused. Well, ..... I certainly don't think that "hundreds" of crab cages were found!!! ::MonkeyRoll::I keep wondering who. I keep thinking maybe Clyde Burke, but that is just my opinion. I don't know if dates on the posts could have been changed, but I wouldn't think so. Somebody at GM said that they could. Notice though that there is no blame on Joran or the Kalpoes. It is on Oduber and the gov't officials. I do not believe that bodies were found other than the one we have seen. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 09, 2009, 01:02:06 AM Those post at Michelle's blog have me really confused. Well, ..... I certainly don't think that "hundreds" of crab cages were found!!! ::MonkeyRoll::I keep wondering who. I keep thinking maybe Clyde Burke, but that is just my opinion. I don't know if dates on the posts could have been changed, but I wouldn't think so. Somebody at GM said that they could. Notice though that there is no blame on Joran or the Kalpoes. It is on Oduber and the gov't officials. I do not believe that bodies were found other than the one we have seen. Why would one need to put half of her in a blue barrell and half in a huge crab trap? She would fit in either place without difficultity, I would think. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 09, 2009, 01:08:10 AM For the last 3 years, I have ALWAYS believed that our FBI and State Department were MUCH more involved than what we have seen on the surface. (Robots and I were always on the same page there). Now, I am just puzzled. It would be nice to be able to believe that and I am so hopeful that is the case. I have heard Dave speak several times of being contacted by the FBI. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: billb's daughter on April 09, 2009, 01:13:19 AM I remember a lively debate back in Jan 08 about the Aruban Coast Guard Panther over the site of the cage for 2 days while kyle was watching from shore....
Anyway, I thought it was Dutch maybe using suction system to sample all around the cage....others thought it was arubans finishing up the last of the cover up. I don't know either way, but after reading some of the latest brought back from Michelle's site..... It makes me go hmmmm.... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: wreck on April 09, 2009, 01:14:16 AM For the last 3 years, I have ALWAYS believed that our FBI and State Department were MUCH more involved than what we have seen on the surface. (Robots and I were always on the same page there). Now, I am just puzzled. It would be nice to be able to believe that and I am so hopeful that is the case. I have heard Dave speak several times of being contacted by the FBI. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 09, 2009, 01:30:53 AM I just got caught up reading this thread and I have to say I'm totally blown away by the posts from Michelle's blog....WTH is true and what is not seems to be the big question.....Surely all of that could not have been going on while Persistence was there and no one leaked to the press.....just doesn't seem possible to Me....But Stranger things have happened.... ::MonkeyConfused::
Thanks Lifesong for posting Them! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: billb's daughter on April 09, 2009, 01:44:45 AM I remember a lively debate back in Jan 08 about the Aruban Coast Guard Panther over the site of the cage for 2 days while kyle was watching from shore.... I meant Jan 09 in post above....Anyway, I thought it was Dutch maybe using suction system to sample all around the cage....others thought it was arubans finishing up the last of the cover up. I don't know either way, but after reading some of the latest brought back from Michelle's site..... It makes me go hmmmm.... Here is one of the post I was thinking of: Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 - on: January 04, 2009, 01:59:00 AM Quote from: billb on January 04, 2009, 12:54:16 AM Quote from: Kermit on January 03, 2009, 07:46:30 PM billb asked: en...Kermit...Has anything been determined on what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard was doing at the cage site? (I think I remember that they were there at the cage on Jan 10, 11?). If so, that was well after the supposedly collection of the contents by the Aruban divers on Jan 7. Just thinking out loud here, but so much focus has been on the 7th being the day the contents were taken..could that be to distract from what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard were doing on the 10th, 11th? I guess I'm stuck on trying to figure out what the coast guard was doing if the contents were already removed on the 7th Kyle stated: Jan 12-13 I saw the Dutch Coast Guard on site for 45 minutes on both days. I told John about the Coast Guard on site and he didn't want to hear it. However, he must have thought about it and after chewing on it agreed because he spoke to Mos and Richardson about it later. I believe it was Richardson came back to him and said nothing other than they don't have dive capabilities. HAHA.. Kyle stated: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again.[/b] Of course this didn't set well with me. After the Jan 7th Dive I got off the boat for R&R from the 9th-14th at the Holiday Inn. Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean". Meanwhile I'm standing on the beach watching the Dutch Coast Guard at the trap site for 42 and 45 minutes respectively over two days (11-12th). When I got back to the Hotel on the 11th and 12th after seeing the coasties out there I told John. He didn't want to hear it and didn't believe it. However, a couple weeks later he told me he looked into it by talking to Richardson who said "...not to worry, the Coast Guard doesn't have dive capabilities". Panther is the one John mentioned to CAPS Kermit...thanks for the reply...(ok..it wasn't a direct reply to my post...only a reference.. I'm inclined to think there is more to the events surrounding the coast guard ship being over the cage on Jan 11-12, or 12-13 (two different dates by kyle's posts) than what we have been lead to believe happened on 7 Jan..if all cage evidence was swooped up by aruba divers on the 7th.....what's the point of the two day visit by the coast guard? Who/when did the zip lock bagging happen? The Jan 7th ROV video implies it happened that day or before, and the posts seem to imply aruba divers collected the contents of the cage on Jan 7th. But maybe the bagging happened in time for the ROV video on the 7th...and the actual collection/recovery of the cage evidence was later when the coast guard was over the site.... Point being...the aruba divers/ale didn't collect the contents of the cage....did the coast guard, with a royal Netherlands navy chain of command, collect the contents of the cage?....... question then..does that bode well in an international court providing Justice for Natalee? If so, is the outcome out of the hands of the pos aruban authorities, and can we expect Justice for Natalee from an international court? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: billb's daughter on April 09, 2009, 01:47:57 AM I remember a lively debate back in Jan 08 about the Aruban Coast Guard Panther over the site of the cage for 2 days while kyle was watching from shore.... I meant Jan 09 in post above....Anyway, I thought it was Dutch maybe using suction system to sample all around the cage....others thought it was arubans finishing up the last of the cover up. I don't know either way, but after reading some of the latest brought back from Michelle's site..... It makes me go hmmmm.... Here is one of the post I was thinking of: Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 - on: January 04, 2009, 01:59:00 AM Quote from: billb on January 04, 2009, 12:54:16 AM Quote from: Kermit on January 03, 2009, 07:46:30 PM billb asked: en...Kermit...Has anything been determined on what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard was doing at the cage site? (I think I remember that they were there at the cage on Jan 10, 11?). If so, that was well after the supposedly collection of the contents by the Aruban divers on Jan 7. Just thinking out loud here, but so much focus has been on the 7th being the day the contents were taken..could that be to distract from what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard were doing on the 10th, 11th? I guess I'm stuck on trying to figure out what the coast guard was doing if the contents were already removed on the 7th Kyle stated: Jan 12-13 I saw the Dutch Coast Guard on site for 45 minutes on both days. I told John about the Coast Guard on site and he didn't want to hear it. However, he must have thought about it and after chewing on it agreed because he spoke to Mos and Richardson about it later. I believe it was Richardson came back to him and said nothing other than they don't have dive capabilities. HAHA.. Kyle stated: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again.[/b] Of course this didn't set well with me. After the Jan 7th Dive I got off the boat for R&R from the 9th-14th at the Holiday Inn. Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean". Meanwhile I'm standing on the beach watching the Dutch Coast Guard at the trap site for 42 and 45 minutes respectively over two days (11-12th). When I got back to the Hotel on the 11th and 12th after seeing the coasties out there I told John. He didn't want to hear it and didn't believe it. However, a couple weeks later he told me he looked into it by talking to Richardson who said "...not to worry, the Coast Guard doesn't have dive capabilities". Panther is the one John mentioned to CAPS [/b] Kermit...thanks for the reply...(ok..it wasn't a direct reply to my post...only a reference.. I'm inclined to think there is more to the events surrounding the coast guard ship being over the cage on Jan 11-12, or 12-13 (two different dates by kyle's posts) than what we have been lead to believe happened on 7 Jan..if all cage evidence was swooped up by aruba divers on the 7th.....what's the point of the two day visit by the coast guard? Who/when did the zip lock bagging happen? The Jan 7th ROV video implies it happened that day or before, and the posts seem to imply aruba divers collected the contents of the cage on Jan 7th. But maybe the bagging happened in time for the ROV video on the 7th...and the actual collection/recovery of the cage evidence was later when the coast guard was over the site.... Point being...the aruba divers/ale didn't collect the contents of the cage....did the coast guard, with a royal Netherlands navy chain of command, collect the contents of the cage?....... question then..does that bode well in an international court providing Justice for Natalee? If so, is the outcome out of the hands of the pos aruban authorities, and can we expect Justice for Natalee from an international court? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 09, 2009, 01:57:07 AM I remember a lively debate back in Jan 08 about the Aruban Coast Guard Panther over the site of the cage for 2 days while kyle was watching from shore.... I meant Jan 09 in post above....Anyway, I thought it was Dutch maybe using suction system to sample all around the cage....others thought it was arubans finishing up the last of the cover up. I don't know either way, but after reading some of the latest brought back from Michelle's site..... It makes me go hmmmm.... Here is one of the post I was thinking of: Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 - on: January 04, 2009, 01:59:00 AM Quote from: billb on January 04, 2009, 12:54:16 AM Quote from: Kermit on January 03, 2009, 07:46:30 PM billb asked: en...Kermit...Has anything been determined on what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard was doing at the cage site? (I think I remember that they were there at the cage on Jan 10, 11?). If so, that was well after the supposedly collection of the contents by the Aruban divers on Jan 7. Just thinking out loud here, but so much focus has been on the 7th being the day the contents were taken..could that be to distract from what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard were doing on the 10th, 11th? I guess I'm stuck on trying to figure out what the coast guard was doing if the contents were already removed on the 7th Kyle stated: Jan 12-13 I saw the Dutch Coast Guard on site for 45 minutes on both days. I told John about the Coast Guard on site and he didn't want to hear it. However, he must have thought about it and after chewing on it agreed because he spoke to Mos and Richardson about it later. I believe it was Richardson came back to him and said nothing other than they don't have dive capabilities. HAHA.. Kyle stated: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again.[/b] Of course this didn't set well with me. After the Jan 7th Dive I got off the boat for R&R from the 9th-14th at the Holiday Inn. Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean". Meanwhile I'm standing on the beach watching the Dutch Coast Guard at the trap site for 42 and 45 minutes respectively over two days (11-12th). When I got back to the Hotel on the 11th and 12th after seeing the coasties out there I told John. He didn't want to hear it and didn't believe it. However, a couple weeks later he told me he looked into it by talking to Richardson who said "...not to worry, the Coast Guard doesn't have dive capabilities". Panther is the one John mentioned to CAPS [/b] Kermit...thanks for the reply...(ok..it wasn't a direct reply to my post...only a reference.. I'm inclined to think there is more to the events surrounding the coast guard ship being over the cage on Jan 11-12, or 12-13 (two different dates by kyle's posts) than what we have been lead to believe happened on 7 Jan..if all cage evidence was swooped up by aruba divers on the 7th.....what's the point of the two day visit by the coast guard? Who/when did the zip lock bagging happen? The Jan 7th ROV video implies it happened that day or before, and the posts seem to imply aruba divers collected the contents of the cage on Jan 7th. But maybe the bagging happened in time for the ROV video on the 7th...and the actual collection/recovery of the cage evidence was later when the coast guard was over the site.... Point being...the aruba divers/ale didn't collect the contents of the cage....did the coast guard, with a royal Netherlands navy chain of command, collect the contents of the cage?....... question then..does that bode well in an international court providing Justice for Natalee? If so, is the outcome out of the hands of the pos aruban authorities, and can we expect Justice for Natalee from an international court? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 09, 2009, 02:03:26 AM Good Night All!
May God Bless Us with the Answers to All of Our Questions in this Case! God Bless Natalee and Her Family! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 09, 2009, 02:09:06 AM For the last 3 years, I have ALWAYS believed that our FBI and State Department were MUCH more involved than what we have seen on the surface. (Robots and I were always on the same page there). Now, I am just puzzled. It would be nice to be able to believe that and I am so hopeful that is the case. I have heard Dave speak several times of being contacted by the FBI. I don't know what to think either....it's mind boggling. ::MonkeyConfused:: I agree with wreck, after all...it's all about Natalee! I just hope and pray that the answers, and justice will come. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 09, 2009, 02:10:28 AM Good Night All! May God Bless Us with the Answers to All of Our Questions in this Case! God Bless Natalee and Her Family! Good Night Hotping! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 09, 2009, 02:12:50 AM (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg) Truth & Justice for Natalee! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: iris44 on April 09, 2009, 03:50:09 AM O/T Anna.....I saw the picture of the Colt on the last thread....Yes He is a Beauty....Appears to Me to be Quarter Horse.....Thank You for posting it....I never doubted for a minute that You had a horse or that You Have raised horses before....He appears to be sorrel in the pictue and He looks like He will grow to be pretty big....Again Thank You for posting the pic...I love horses and maybe one of these days soon We will have more....When My Papa got sick back in 2005 we sold all of Ours to move and take care of Him...We were Very picky on who We sold Them to and have become friends with all of their current owners so that We can stay in touch..... Thanks Again ::MonkeyCool:: Hotping, yes that is what he is and additional photos in musings. He is much better today, too. ::MonkeyCool:: He is a cutie. I posted OT to you in Musings, Anna. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: johan555 on April 09, 2009, 04:47:27 AM At your service Artcolley ::MonkeyWink::
Quote from: Artcolley on April 08, 2009, 04:08:17 PM FWIW, I have NEVER read anywhere that Kermit said he/she was a Secret Service Agent. I have seen where OTHERS have wondered this, but NOWHERE have I seen Kermit state this. I would LOVE to see where Kermit said this, so if anyone has a link to this, I'd appreciate it. Kermit : They have no link because I never, ever said that. THEY said it. Then attacked/stalked me. Odd isn't it that NOT ONE OF THEM questions the LIES they were told by capslockwizard or johan555 and his Joran is in den dolder and hermit craps that don't exists! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ And what is this Kermit ?: Kermit said : " I was downstairs next to ANOTHER Secret Service Agent" (http://i41.tinypic.com/2zhikk7.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 09, 2009, 07:02:01 AM At your service Artcolley ::MonkeyWink:: Quote from: Artcolley on April 08, 2009, 04:08:17 PM FWIW, I have NEVER read anywhere that Kermit said he/she was a Secret Service Agent. I have seen where OTHERS have wondered this, but NOWHERE have I seen Kermit state this. I would LOVE to see where Kermit said this, so if anyone has a link to this, I'd appreciate it. Kermit : They have no link because I never, ever said that. THEY said it. Then attacked/stalked me. Odd isn't it that NOT ONE OF THEM questions the LIES they were told by capslockwizard or johan555 and his Joran is in den dolder and hermit craps that don't exists! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ And what is this Kermit ?: Kermit said : " I was downstairs next to ANOTHER Secret Service Agent" (http://i41.tinypic.com/2zhikk7.jpg) Johan, you are being ridiculous. One Secret Service Agent upstairs and ANOTHER Secret Service Agent downstairs. DUH! You will have to look some more. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Frijole on April 09, 2009, 08:29:30 AM For the last 3 years, I have ALWAYS believed that our FBI and State Department were MUCH more involved than what we have seen on the surface. (Robots and I were always on the same page there). Now, I am just puzzled. It would be nice to be able to believe that and I am so hopeful that is the case. I have heard Dave speak several times of being contacted by the FBI. Interesting thoughts Wreck. I'd be understanding of those motives also. Would love to think this was happening. Question is... if this were true, why the recent pond search? To catch them planting evidence? Hmm.. off to work. Will catch up at lunch. Good day all. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 09, 2009, 09:29:44 AM ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: My thoughts exactly, Wreck! I don't know what to think either. I'm wondering if maybe this is where Caps got some of his "dismembered" stuff though. I'm also trying to remember who it was that posted here about the secret take-down of Aruban officials being prepared behind the scenes....anyone else remember that stuff? Goodnight, Mere! That's what Kyle inferred to us that the 40 (or 52) "CSI's from Holland" were doing on Aruba. An investigation into the investigation. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 09, 2009, 09:37:35 AM Thank you Klaas and Lifesong for bringing those posts here!
I'm getting more and more convinced with the more I read, that those can't possibly be just random thoughts pulled out of thin air - not with some of the factual info they contain here and there. billb- I'm on the same page you are regarding the Panter. When I first read that comment from Michelle's site about Dutch protection for the Persistence, that is the first thing that came to mind! But - Kyle did tell us that Aruban divers took the evidence in the baggies topside with them on Jan 7th. They weren't left there for someone else to take at a later date. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 09, 2009, 10:16:24 AM Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 - on: December 30, 2008, 08:21:35 PM http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg604204#msg604204 Quote Quote from: ldstlou on December 30, 2008, 08:21:35 PM Quote Quote from: Keepthefaith on December 30, 2008, 08:15:20 PM When was the last time Kyle was on the Freebird's site??Wingnut?If you can answer..I don't think he's typing anything anymore for a good reason! He is still typing. he adressed jen's letter line by line and e-mailed it to both Jug and I tonight. I am satisfied with his answers. Did "the leak" ever share Kyle's point by point response with you guys, Jen? Btw, I'm still looking for the posts I was referring to earlier. I remember the one from Kyle, but there's at least one other I'm thinking of, if not more, claiming that if Kermit started revealing the information it would mess up the investigation blah blah blah. I'll find it...not that it's true, mind you, but it may lead to finding a link to some of these comments. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 09, 2009, 10:46:02 AM OK bear with me guys - this may get a bit convoluted.
Was the reason for the Persistence being in Aruba already fulfilled? In 1978 the Netherlands signed an Treaty with Venezuela, giving it the rights to the Exclusive Econimic Zone (EEZ) for the continental shelf it sits on. EEZ: Under the United Nations Convention on Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), the exclusive economic zone or EEZ is covered by Articles 56, 58 and 59. The EEZ is defined as that portion of the seas and oceans extending up to 200 nautical miles in which coastal States have the right to explore and exploit natural resources as well as to exercise jurisdiction over marine science research and environmental protection. http://www.eoearth.org/article/Exclusive_economic_zone_(EEZ) The Treaty for Maritime Jurisdiction to Venezuela: December 1978 Maritime Boundaries: Aruba, Curacao, Bonaire, Saba/Aves Island: Maritime boundaries agreement with Venezuela EIF Article 1 1. The maritime delimitations lines set out in this Treaty constitute the boundaries between the Contracting Parties in respect to their territorial waters, continental shelves, exclusive economic zones and all other maritime or submarine areas that have been or may be established by the Parties in accordance with international law. The maritime boundary lines between Venezuela and the Netherlands Antilles are as follows: 1. SECTOR A. Between the west of Aruba and Venezuelan territory 1.1. From point No. 3, latitude 12° 21' 00" N and longitude 70° 25' 00" W, the meridian 70° 25' 00" W to point No.2, latitude 12° 49' 00" N and longitude 70° 25' 00" W. 1.2. From said point No. 2, an arc of maximum circumference to point No. 1, latitude 15° 24' 48" N and longitude 69° 34' 38" W, or that point on said maximum circumference that represents the boundary with third nations. 2. SECTOR B. Between the Leeward Islands of the Netherlands Antilles (Aruba, Bonaire, Curacao) and the north coast of Venezuela. 2.1. From Point No.3, latitude 12° 21' 00" N and longitude 70° 25' 00" W, parallel 12° 21' 00" N to point No. 4, latitude 21° 21' 00" N and longitude 70° 09' 51" W. 2.2. From said point No.4, an arc of maximum circumference to point No. 5, latitude 12° 21' 54" N and longitude 70° 08' 25" W. 2.3. From said point No. 5, an arc or maximum circumference to point No. 6, latitude 12° 15' 46" N and longitude 69° 44' 21" W. 2.4. From said point No. 6, an arc of maximum circumference to point No. 7, latitude 11° 52' 45" N and longitude 69° 04' 45" W. 2.5. From said point No. 7, an arc of maximum circumference to point No. 8, latitude 11° 45' 30" N and longitude 68° 57' 15" W. 2.6. From said point No. 8, an arc of maximum circumference to point No.9, latitude 11° 44' 30" N and longitude 68° 49' 45" W. 2.7. From said point No. 9, an arc of maximum circumference to point No.10, latitude 11° 40' 00" N and longitude 68° 36' 00" W. 2.8. From said point No. 10, parallel 11° 40' 00" N to point No. 11, latitude 11° 40' 00" N and longitude 67° 59' 23" W. biotech.law.lsu.edu/blaw/... /corres/ 20051m_040201/netherlandsfinal.doc Here are the only maritime claims Aruba has (and Curacao and Bonaire): Aruba territorial sea: 12 nm Bonaire - None Curacao - None And here are Venezuela's maritime claims: Venezuela - territorial sea: 12 nm contiguous zone: 15 nm exclusive economic zone: 200 nm continental shelf: 200-m depth or to the depth of exploitation http://www.bartleby.com/151/fields/11.html ------------- So. Venezuela controls ALL the maritime activities - and has all the rights to - surrounding not only Aruba, but also Bonaire and Curacao. Kyle wrote on June 13 2008: He's (John Silvetti) seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that. LEAK said: Jug knew the Persistence's main purpose was oil related. ================== Here's where it could get convoluted, but ponder this obvious, right in front of our face theory: Remember the last minute boat change to the Persistence? What if................Silvetti was awarded a survey/mapping contract by ??? for Venezuela, to map that area for planned future drilling? Change of plans - no more Apache, Persistence will go, because they are being paid to go anyway. Family is made aware of the change, and the reasons behind it. (LEAK said that Jug knew the Persistence's main purpose was oil related.) Fast forward to arrival in Aruba.............. Tim Miller shows up with Dateline - known or unknown to Silvetti beforehand, it would put a black mark on him and Schaefer in the public eye to have Dateline filming their mapping/surveying of that area - considering they had all pleaded for donations to Search for Natalee. First steps - before Miller/Dateline are aboard - topography mapping. Second step - side scan sonar, solely for the benefit of TES and Dateline. WHOA!!! They found something! Dammit! It's what they were looking for!!! Miller/Dateline are removed by Silvetti because "Tim wasn't necessary any more, and was a liabiliy". It was only Kyle's assumption that Tim was a liability because he was calling the family about the cage. How about................... Liability - Don't need a black mark in the public eye for when we move out to deeper waters to continue mapping/surveying the area now that we've already found Natalee. Can't possibly have TES and Dateline still on board filming that! Not necessary any more - They had already found what Tim was there to find, therefore he was no longer necessary on the boat. Continue "searching" out in deep waters ........................big to do about extending their initial timeframe of being there, meanwhile they are finishing their mapping/surveying. Kyle's blog Thurs 11-Jan 0030 hrs The bathymetric survey of the new grid is completed. The search area now totals approximately 57 sq miles, compared to the original 22 sq miles. go to link to see pics of area Fri 25-Jan 0950 hrs The Persistence leaves the dock this morning at 0730 hrs. Working during mainly daylight hours has been a welcome change for the crew and good for moral. The seas and winds have not been as severe lately. The last two days saw excellent progress go to link to see pics of area 3D Perspective view of bathymetry showing water depth in feet. Black contour interval is 100ft http://nholloway.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&max-results=9 Fast forward to Jan 13 2009 Venezuela worries Aruba Anton Foek THE WASHINGTON TIMES Tuesday, January 13, 2009 ORANJESTAD, Aruba On a clear day, one can easily see Venezuela from the southern part of this tiny Dutch Caribbean island - and its flaming towers drilling for oil and gas. Russia and Venezuela recently began a joint drilling project in the waters bordering Aruba. The government of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez claims 28 fields holding an estimated 27 trillion cubic meters of natural gas. A Russian consortium that includes the state-owned Gazprom is exploring five fields. One of them - Cardon 3 - is less than 14 miles away from Aruba. ------------- Maneuvering from April 2007/Jan 2008 BNamericas Friday, April 27, 2007 US oil major Chevron has finished shooting 530 sq km of 3D seismic data on the Cardon 3 offshore block in western Venezuela. Chevron is working with Canadian oil and gas independent PetroFalcon (TSX: PFC) and soon will start a drilling program on Cardon 3, Chevron E&P Latin America head Ali Moshiri told BNamericas. "Now we are going through the interpretation phase to see if we can find a good prospect and after that we go ahead and begin development," he said. Operators will drill one well as part of the development phase this year, Moshiri said. Chevron holds a 70% interest in Cardon 3 and PetroFalcon the balance. Chevron won Cardon 3 in 2005 as part of the Rafael Urdaneta project with a US$5.6mn bid. http://images.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=44439 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 09, 2009, 10:59:49 AM From the very end of my post above:
Manouvering between Dec 2007/Jan 2008 Should be: Manouvering From April 2007 ::MonkeyConfused:: Fixed...left Jan 2008 ??? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 09, 2009, 11:13:46 AM Good Morning Monkeys....I had this article but I'm not sure if I had posted it before I'm confused alittle these days to say the least...lol
Tuesday, May 06, 2008 Gazprom lines up rig in Venezuela 06 May 2008 - Upstream onLine by Tom Darin Liskey - Russian explorer Gazprom will use the newbuild jack-up rig Offshore Vigilant to probe a potentially prolific offshore project in Venezuela’s shallow water sector, sources at the Offshore Technology Conference in Houston said. The rig – capable of operating in water depths of up to 350 feet – is being built at the Keppel AmFels shipyard in Brownsville, Texas, for Scorpion Offshore. Details about the length and day rate for the independent-leg, extended reach cantilever rig were not available. Scorpion officials declined to confirm that Gazprom will use the rig, saying only that it will be delivered to Venezuela. The proposed contract will last at least 11 months and generate some $72 million in revenues. The rig is scheduled for completion this year and should be delivered to Venezuela in the third quarter. Russia’s Gazprom wants a rig to explore the Urumaco 1 and Urumaco 2 blocks in the Gulf of Venezuela. PDVSA sources have said the Urumaco permits are expected to unlock significantly more than 1 trillion cubic feet of gas, based on seismic data. Meanwhile, Chevron is understood to be close to signing an agreement with Dallas-based Ensco for a jack-up to drill a well in Venezuela. Sources said the rig will probably come from the US Gulf of Mexico. The rig will be used to kick off exploration drilling in 2009 at the shallow-water Cardon 3 block. Moreover, the US supermajor has been leading an effort with other international oil companies including Spain’s Repsol YPF and Brazil’s Petrobras to share the rig. The Gazprom and Chevron acreage form part of the so-called Rafael Urdaneta project, which covers 30,000 square kilometres and, according to official reports, holds as much as 26 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. # posted by Deval : 1:16 PM http://russogasoil.blogspot.com/2008/05/gazprom-lines-up-rig-in-venezuela_06.html Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 09, 2009, 11:17:17 AM From the very end of my post above: Manouvering between Dec 2007/Jan 2008 Should be: Manouvering From April 2007 ::MonkeyConfused:: Fixed...left Jan 2008 ??? Thanks 2NJ! And also for fixing the spelling oopsie!!!! ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 09, 2009, 11:18:47 AM Good Morning Monkeys....I had this article but I'm not sure if I had posted it before I'm confused alittle these days to say the least...lol Tuesday, May 06, 2008 Gazprom lines up rig in Venezuela 06 May 2008 - Upstream onLine by Tom Darin Liskey - Russian explorer Gazprom will use the newbuild jack-up rig Offshore Vigilant to probe a potentially prolific offshore project in Venezuela’s shallow water sector, sources at the Offshore Technology Conference in Houston said. The rig – capable of operating in water depths of up to 350 feet – is being built at the Keppel AmFels shipyard in Brownsville, Texas, for Scorpion Offshore. Details about the length and day rate for the independent-leg, extended reach cantilever rig were not available. Scorpion officials declined to confirm that Gazprom will use the rig, saying only that it will be delivered to Venezuela. The proposed contract will last at least 11 months and generate some $72 million in revenues. The rig is scheduled for completion this year and should be delivered to Venezuela in the third quarter. Russia’s Gazprom wants a rig to explore the Urumaco 1 and Urumaco 2 blocks in the Gulf of Venezuela. PDVSA sources have said the Urumaco permits are expected to unlock significantly more than 1 trillion cubic feet of gas, based on seismic data. Meanwhile, Chevron is understood to be close to signing an agreement with Dallas-based Ensco for a jack-up to drill a well in Venezuela. Sources said the rig will probably come from the US Gulf of Mexico. The rig will be used to kick off exploration drilling in 2009 at the shallow-water Cardon 3 block. Moreover, the US supermajor has been leading an effort with other international oil companies including Spain’s Repsol YPF and Brazil’s Petrobras to share the rig. The Gazprom and Chevron acreage form part of the so-called Rafael Urdaneta project, which covers 30,000 square kilometres and, according to official reports, holds as much as 26 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. # posted by Deval : 1:16 PM http://russogasoil.blogspot.com/2008/05/gazprom-lines-up-rig-in-venezuela_06.html Thanks Hotping!! The highlighted portion could correspond with those job openings for Aruba I found a week or so ago........considering Cardon 3 is only 14 miles offshore Aruba. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 09, 2009, 11:20:51 AM Maybe I dreamed this..................but didn't someone here post a map of all these Venezuelan blocks a few months ago?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 09, 2009, 11:43:01 AM Maybe I dreamed this..................but didn't someone here post a map of all these Venezuelan blocks a few months ago? You're Welcome Jen and No You are not dreaming.....Someone did post a map of the blocks....I will see if I can find one if someone doesn't beat Me to it. ::MonkeyWink::Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 09, 2009, 11:45:16 AM Maybe I dreamed this..................but didn't someone here post a map of all these Venezuelan blocks a few months ago? You're Welcome Jen and No You are not dreaming.....Someone did post a map of the blocks....I will see if I can find one if someone doesn't beat Me to it. ::MonkeyWink::Thanks!!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 09, 2009, 11:47:21 AM Here were Chevron's plans for the area - it just looks like it takes a long time to get things in motion:
Sept 12 2005 Chevron Awarded Cardon III License in Venezuela's Rafael Urdaneta Bid Round SAN RAMON, Calif., Sept. 12 -- Chevron Corporation's local affiliate company in Venezuela has been awarded the exploration license for the Cardon III exploration block, located offshore western Venezuela. The Cardon III block was one of seven blocks offered by the Venezuelan Ministry of Energy and Mines in the Rafael Urdaneta bid round. The block is located in an offshore region with natural gas potential on trend to the north of the prolific Maracaibo producing region http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2005/09/12/142713.html Chevron to Start Cardon III Seismic Work in January (2007) BNamericas Friday, December 15, 2006 US oil major Chevron (NYSE: CVX) will start a 3D data collection program in January at the Cardon III hydrocarbons block offshore Venezuela's Falcon state, a company official told BNamericas. "We are going to shoot seismic for the block and the planning for it is going very well," Chevron Latin America Upstream president Ali Moshiri said. The program start will depend on equipment availability, he added. Chevron, which bid US$5.6mn for Cardon III, was formally awarded the block in October 2005 at a ceremony attended by Venezuela's President Hugo Chávez and Moshiri. http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=39195 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 09, 2009, 11:49:15 AM Here's another interesting article....Its a long one so I will post the link and if Someone finds something interesting enough They can bring it over....
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/Venezuela/Oil.html Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: nonesuche on April 09, 2009, 11:52:44 AM I wish I had more time from work to study all of this but just wanted to commend all of you for the digging and the research. Very enlightening........must run back to work now but will read fully later tonight.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Rob on April 09, 2009, 11:57:07 AM Jen it makes perfect sense.
And there are two posts that Kyle made that confirm it. In one (I remember it clearly) he says they come in from 8-10 miles out to look closer to the shore for Natalee. That date will tell you when they knew or found Natalee or the remains suspected to be Natalee. And Kyle makes another post where he says the have found what they are looking for but continue "searching". That never made any sense. Find what you were looking for but keep looking? I know that first post about coming in from 8-10 miles out is here in our archives somewhere. If someone could find it - it would confirm a date and close the time line. Also, when the mapping was done - they abruptly left. There was no need for more donations. They asked, but that was never the intent. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 09, 2009, 12:00:30 PM Maybe I dreamed this..................but didn't someone here post a map of all these Venezuelan blocks a few months ago? You're Welcome Jen and No You are not dreaming.....Someone did post a map of the blocks....I will see if I can find one if someone doesn't beat Me to it. ::MonkeyWink::Here it is... (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3549/3321294747_e72eda9d64_o.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 09, 2009, 12:03:00 PM Thank You Lifesong......I will stop looking now for the map ::MonkeyHaHa::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 09, 2009, 12:05:59 PM Here's another interesting article....Its a long one so I will post the link and if Someone finds something interesting enough They can bring it over.... http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/Venezuela/Oil.html Hotping - I could just kiss you!!!!! ::MonkeyDance:: From that article: Pipelines Venezuela has an extensive domestic oil pipeline system, providing transportation from production centers to refineries and coastal export terminals. Currently, the country does not have any export pipelines, but there has been discussion about constructing an oil pipeline to port in Colombia along the Pacific Ocean. This would facilitate greater Venezuelan crude exports to Asia, bypassing the Panama Canal bottleneck or the high costs of shipping around Cape Horn. ------------ I have been wanting for a VERY long time to get corroboration about the pipeline Oduber announced last June. The above explains how it would work - from Colombia, thru Venezuela- to Aruba. Here is the article from Oduber: June 8 2008 Gas from Colombia for the production of electricity and water ORANJESTAD – As respond on the increasing oil prices and its negative consequences for our island, the government has decided to import gas from Colombia. The electricity supply can be altered to use natural gas instead of fuel oil for an estimate of 20 millions. The production of electricity and water becomes 40 percent cheaper because of this, said Premier Nelson Oduber yesterday. “Besides, it’s going to be cleaner.” The premier of Aruba made these comments during a press conference yesterday. He is just back from a working visit in Colombia. He took part as listener in the General Meeting of the Organization of American States (OAS) in Colombia. He met with the Colombian president Alvaro Uribe last Sunday discussed among others the energy policy. Uribe suggested supplying Aruba with natural gas, just like Colombia does with Puerto Rico, Venezuela, and Panama. They agreed that the ambassador for the Kingdom will start negotiating today with the Colombian minister of Mining and energy. A delegation of representatives of WEB and Elmar intends to go to Colombia and work out the further details afterwards. This is an historic moment, said Oduber. The premier says that altering the WEB to use natural gas instead of fuel oil must be possible in one year. WEB will take care of the costs, about 20 millions. The natural gas will have to be transported by ship in the beginning, but the construction of a pipeline must be considered on the medium- and long run. This pipeline will have to run via Venezuela to our island. Oduber thinks that this may take about 3 years. Apart from using the gas for the production of electricity and water, it can also be used for cars and in the houses. Oduber does not abandon the thoughts of other alternatives like wind- and sun energy, but these can only supply the island with a limited amount of electricity and water. Other energy sources like pet-coke and pitch are too expensive, says the premier. Also the deepwater cooling is no option. “We do not have deepwater here.” Aqualectra-director Anton Casperson cannot judge the Aruban situation, but he considers 40 percent cheaper production costs for Curacao not reasonable. “Gas is indeed a serious option for us; especially from environmental considerations in combination with wind.” Aqualectra is not in negotiations with the gas suppliers as yet. “The investments are high, and you must earn these back.” Aqualectra is in the process of adjusting the long-term plans as committed in the Plan 2020. http://www.amigoe.com/english Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 09, 2009, 12:08:27 PM Jen it makes perfect sense. And there are two posts that Kyle made that confirm it. In one (I remember it clearly) he says they come in from 8-10 miles out to look closer to the shore for Natalee. That date will tell you when they knew or found Natalee or the remains suspected to be Natalee. And Kyle makes another post where he says the have found what they are looking for but continue "searching". That never made any sense. Find what you were looking for but keep looking? I know that first post about coming in from 8-10 miles out is here in our archives somewhere. If someone could find it - it would confirm a date and close the time line. Also, when the mapping was done - they abruptly left. There was no need for more donations. They asked, but that was never the intent. I remember those posts! Hiya Rob! I also remember a post from Kyle saying Richardson told them to KEEP looking in deep waters on/around the Jan 7 dive - which indicates they went straight out to deeper waters sometime between Dec 30 (Tim and Dateline off the boat) and Jan 7 when the Aruban dive on the cage took place. And I hadn't even thought about the abrupt departure Rob! Great point!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 09, 2009, 12:10:32 PM Maybe I dreamed this..................but didn't someone here post a map of all these Venezuelan blocks a few months ago? You're Welcome Jen and No You are not dreaming.....Someone did post a map of the blocks....I will see if I can find one if someone doesn't beat Me to it. ::MonkeyWink::Here it is... (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3549/3321294747_e72eda9d64_o.jpg) Thanks Lifesong! So that would put Aruba 14 miles to the South of Cardon III. Hmmm and directly off the N/W coast of Aruba - precisely where Persistence was "searching". Straight out from Palm Beach/Arashi Beach. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 09, 2009, 12:13:02 PM Here's another interesting article....Its a long one so I will post the link and if Someone finds something interesting enough They can bring it over.... http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/Venezuela/Oil.html Hotping - I could just kiss you!!!!! ::MonkeyDance:: From that article: Pipelines Venezuela has an extensive domestic oil pipeline system, providing transportation from production centers to refineries and coastal export terminals. Currently, the country does not have any export pipelines, but there has been discussion about constructing an oil pipeline to port in Colombia along the Pacific Ocean. This would facilitate greater Venezuelan crude exports to Asia, bypassing the Panama Canal bottleneck or the high costs of shipping around Cape Horn. ------------ I have been wanting for a VERY long time to get corroboration about the pipeline Oduber announced last June. The above explains how it would work - from Colombia, thru Venezuela- to Aruba. Here is the article from Oduber: June 8 2008 Gas from Colombia for the production of electricity and water ORANJESTAD – As respond on the increasing oil prices and its negative consequences for our island, the government has decided to import gas from Colombia. The electricity supply can be altered to use natural gas instead of fuel oil for an estimate of 20 millions. The production of electricity and water becomes 40 percent cheaper because of this, said Premier Nelson Oduber yesterday. “Besides, it’s going to be cleaner.” The premier of Aruba made these comments during a press conference yesterday. He is just back from a working visit in Colombia. He took part as listener in the General Meeting of the Organization of American States (OAS) in Colombia. He met with the Colombian president Alvaro Uribe last Sunday discussed among others the energy policy. Uribe suggested supplying Aruba with natural gas, just like Colombia does with Puerto Rico, Venezuela, and Panama. They agreed that the ambassador for the Kingdom will start negotiating today with the Colombian minister of Mining and energy. A delegation of representatives of WEB and Elmar intends to go to Colombia and work out the further details afterwards. This is an historic moment, said Oduber. The premier says that altering the WEB to use natural gas instead of fuel oil must be possible in one year. WEB will take care of the costs, about 20 millions. The natural gas will have to be transported by ship in the beginning, but the construction of a pipeline must be considered on the medium- and long run. This pipeline will have to run via Venezuela to our island. Oduber thinks that this may take about 3 years. Apart from using the gas for the production of electricity and water, it can also be used for cars and in the houses. Oduber does not abandon the thoughts of other alternatives like wind- and sun energy, but these can only supply the island with a limited amount of electricity and water. Other energy sources like pet-coke and pitch are too expensive, says the premier. Also the deepwater cooling is no option. “We do not have deepwater here.” Aqualectra-director Anton Casperson cannot judge the Aruban situation, but he considers 40 percent cheaper production costs for Curacao not reasonable. “Gas is indeed a serious option for us; especially from environmental considerations in combination with wind.” Aqualectra is not in negotiations with the gas suppliers as yet. “The investments are high, and you must earn these back.” Aqualectra is in the process of adjusting the long-term plans as committed in the Plan 2020. http://www.amigoe.com/english I'm glad that You got Your corroboration! ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 09, 2009, 12:14:49 PM ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: My thoughts exactly, Wreck! I don't know what to think either. I'm wondering if maybe this is where Caps got some of his "dismembered" stuff though. I'm also trying to remember who it was that posted here about the secret take-down of Aruban officials being prepared behind the scenes....anyone else remember that stuff? Goodnight, Mere! That's what Kyle inferred to us that the 40 (or 52) "CSI's from Holland" were doing on Aruba. An investigation into the investigation. Except that there never were any agents except in WLC's fevered rantings. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 09, 2009, 12:15:09 PM Maybe I dreamed this..................but didn't someone here post a map of all these Venezuelan blocks a few months ago? You're Welcome Jen and No You are not dreaming.....Someone did post a map of the blocks....I will see if I can find one if someone doesn't beat Me to it. ::MonkeyWink::Here it is... (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3549/3321294747_e72eda9d64_o.jpg) Aruba lies north of the Cardon III block, imo. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 09, 2009, 12:24:36 PM 2NJ- comparing those two maps - it does appear that way, doesn't it?
Which would mean Persistence would have had to be on the South side of the island - opposite of where they were. IMO, we need to find out for sure......... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 09, 2009, 12:26:47 PM I'm glad that You got Your corroboration! ::MonkeyWink:: [/quote] (http://bestsmileys.com/kissing2/3.gif) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 09, 2009, 12:43:52 PM 2NJ- comparing those two maps - it does appear that way, doesn't it? Which would mean Persistence would have had to be on the South side of the island - opposite of where they were. IMO, we need to find out for sure......... They arrived from the south side to dock. From there we only know what was written. They were mapping for two whole months after the 1/7/08 sampling, and could have been anywhere in those waters. In other words, if a pipeline is needed from Columbia to Aruba, it would have to run through the waters they said they were mapping. imo Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 09, 2009, 12:46:32 PM I'm glad that You got Your corroboration! ::MonkeyWink:: (http://bestsmileys.com/kissing2/3.gif) [/quote] Got It! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 09, 2009, 12:48:34 PM I do remember posts being made that the Persisitence searched around the whole island of Aruba.....I don't know where I read it but it was posted somewhere....I'm almost positive..... ::MonkeyEek::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 09, 2009, 01:07:17 PM 2NJ- comparing those two maps - it does appear that way, doesn't it? Which would mean Persistence would have had to be on the South side of the island - opposite of where they were. IMO, we need to find out for sure......... They arrived from the south side to dock. From there we only know what was written. They were mapping for two whole months after the 1/7/08 sampling, and could have been anywhere in those waters. In other words, if a pipeline is needed from Columbia to Aruba, it would have to run through the waters they said they were mapping. imo Well here are the longitude and latitude for Palm Beach, Aruba Palm Beach Aruba 12.5684986,-70.0403805 If someone can find a way to pull up coordinates for Cardon III that could tell us for sure. I just can't seem to get anything other than a city smack in the middle of Venezuela when I try ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 09, 2009, 01:08:16 PM I do remember posts being made that the Persisitence searched around the whole island of Aruba.....I don't know where I read it but it was posted somewhere....I'm almost positive..... ::MonkeyEek:: Mmmmm I don't remember that Hotping. And I remember I think Janet specifically was interested in them looking off the East shore..........I believe? I just don't think I remember reading that ever happened. ::MonkeyConfused:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Artcolley on April 09, 2009, 01:10:55 PM At your service Artcolley ::MonkeyWink:: Quote from: Artcolley on April 08, 2009, 04:08:17 PM FWIW, I have NEVER read anywhere that Kermit said he/she was a Secret Service Agent. I have seen where OTHERS have wondered this, but NOWHERE have I seen Kermit state this. I would LOVE to see where Kermit said this, so if anyone has a link to this, I'd appreciate it. Kermit : They have no link because I never, ever said that. THEY said it. Then attacked/stalked me. Odd isn't it that NOT ONE OF THEM questions the LIES they were told by capslockwizard or johan555 and his Joran is in den dolder and hermit craps that don't exists! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ And what is this Kermit ?: Kermit said : " I was downstairs next to ANOTHER Secret Service Agent" (http://i41.tinypic.com/2zhikk7.jpg) Thank you, Johann But, where is the link? And in what you posted, I do not see where Kermit states she is an agent of any sort. Of course, I can see where some may assume that. But that is the problem, people run with what they think they know, which is usually nothing at all and then the rumours begin. ::MonkeyConfused:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Artcolley on April 09, 2009, 01:13:24 PM And, btw, can anyone tell me why they hate Kermit so much at the Darkside? I just can't understand this raging hatred toward Kermit. It is bordering on the insane, imo.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 09, 2009, 01:16:02 PM I haven't located the posts Rob mentioned but found these, where the dates & comments are interesting. In the second, it's eery that the boat they reportedly went to help was named Michelle...given the comments brought forward from Michelle's blog recently. ::MonkeyEek::
Please accept this in the spirit in which it is written. I understand all the long-term emotions and frustrations here. Let's keep things in their proper perspective. The Island of Aruba is being branded by the actions of a few nasty individuals who are not Aruban. We all want the axe to fall, but we must want it to fall in the right place. Why call for hurting a people who by in large are very peaceful, kind, and loving? Let's focus on the authorities making these poor decisions, not on the people who happen to be dwelling in their shadows. The Arubans desperately want justice and closure here. So do we. PS: There should be an interesting article in Diario today. If someone could translate it and post it on the Ocean Search thread, I would appreciate it. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2453.msg318352#msg318352 This wasn't part of any conspiracy or diversion. The Michelle was in distress. They likely lost their mast in which case they would lose GPS positioning. By the time they realised they were in trouble they got disoriented and didn't know where they were. Those seas were very rough. The night can be extremely disorienting especially with clouds on the horizon, no power, and bouncing around inside of a derilict boat. It's courtesy to respond to distress calls when you're in the vicinity. The Persistence is always in the vicinity where Natalee could be found. This is why we're searching. IMO The Aruban authorities have done nothing but help in anyway they can. As for costing a nights work... the night was too rough to search and we would have turned towards the dock shortly anyhow. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2438.msg329949#msg329949 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 09, 2009, 01:16:14 PM Just because this is really bothering me.
May 12 2008 Kyle wrote: He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed. The vision was cryptic and actually contained a latitude which from what he claimed could have been anywhere in the world. The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude. Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap Comment from Michelle's blog: latitude 12º 52’ N and longitude 70º 53’W said... The Latitude of the quay in Oranjestad is 12º 31’ N and the longitude is 70º 02’W: The Latitude of the quay in Barcadera is 12º 29’ N and the longitude is 70º 00’W. Natalee's remains had been located at latitude 12º 52’ N and longitude 70º 53’W. January 12, 2008 2:11:00 AM EST http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2008/01/today-on-oprah-beth-and-matt-holloway.html Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 09, 2009, 01:17:50 PM And, btw, can anyone tell me why they hate Kermit so much at the Darkside? I just can't understand this raging hatred toward Kermit. It is bordering on the insane, imo. IMO - because Kerm shared Kyle's info here at SM. It made an obvious falsehood of the pond witness - and many were married to that whole idea. So since they couldn't attack the message (Kyle's) - they attacked the messenger (Kermit). Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 09, 2009, 01:18:46 PM I do remember posts being made that the Persisitence searched around the whole island of Aruba.....I don't know where I read it but it was posted somewhere....I'm almost positive..... ::MonkeyEek:: Mmmmm I don't remember that Hotping. And I remember I think Janet specifically was interested in them looking off the East shore..........I believe? I just don't think I remember reading that ever happened. ::MonkeyConfused:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 09, 2009, 01:19:51 PM I do remember posts being made that the Persisitence searched around the whole island of Aruba.....I don't know where I read it but it was posted somewhere....I'm almost positive..... ::MonkeyEek:: Mmmmm I don't remember that Hotping. And I remember I think Janet specifically was interested in them looking off the East shore..........I believe? I just don't think I remember reading that ever happened. ::MonkeyConfused:: Wasn't the Miohelle in distress off of Bonair or Curocao? Wouldn't they be considered on the east shore area of Aruba? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 09, 2009, 01:21:22 PM I do remember posts being made that the Persisitence searched around the whole island of Aruba.....I don't know where I read it but it was posted somewhere....I'm almost positive..... ::MonkeyEek:: Mmmmm I don't remember that Hotping. And I remember I think Janet specifically was interested in them looking off the East shore..........I believe? I just don't think I remember reading that ever happened. ::MonkeyConfused:: Wasn't the Miohelle in distress off of Bonair or Curocao? Wouldn't they be considered on the eash shore area of Aruba? I'm wanting to say it was Curacao.......and yes - they are to the East of Aruba. ::MonkeyEek:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 09, 2009, 01:24:55 PM I do remember posts being made that the Persisitence searched around the whole island of Aruba.....I don't know where I read it but it was posted somewhere....I'm almost positive..... ::MonkeyEek:: Mmmmm I don't remember that Hotping. And I remember I think Janet specifically was interested in them looking off the East shore..........I believe? I just don't think I remember reading that ever happened. ::MonkeyConfused:: Wasn't the Miohelle in distress off of Bonair or Curacao? Wouldn't they be considered on the east shore area of Aruba? I'm wanting to say it was Curacao.......and yes - they are to the East of Aruba. ::MonkeyEek:: Kyle did say they were in the area. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 09, 2009, 01:25:36 PM http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2453.msg318352#msg318352 This wasn't part of any conspiracy or diversion. The Michelle was in distress. They likely lost their mast in which case they would lose GPS positioning. By the time they realised they were in trouble they got disoriented and didn't know where they were. Those seas were very rough. The night can be extremely disorienting especially with clouds on the horizon, no power, and bouncing around inside of a derilict boat. It's courtesy to respond to distress calls when you're in the vicinity. The Persistence is always in the vicinity where Natalee could be found. This is why we're searching. IMO The Aruban authorities have done nothing but help in anyway they can. As for costing a nights work... the night was too rough to search and we would have turned towards the dock shortly anyhow. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2438.msg329949#msg329949 2100 hrs - A call comes on the radio from the Aruban Port Authority requesting the Persistence assist a vessel in distress. A sailboat named Michelle with 6 reported on board is adrift. In such strong winds and high seas it's possible the sailboat could have broken its mast. All we know is that they need immediate help. The search team picks up the sonar and immediately heads in the reported direction of the distressed vessel. For miles we scan the dark horizon as Curacao, Aruba, and the Persistence carefully monitor the radio. Finally, we receive a position and plot a bearing and range -4.5 miles, heading 210 degrees. After a while, the Aruban port authority once again raises the Persistence on the radio, only this time with a very different position. It seems not only is the Michelle adrift, she is very lost. I can only imagine what kind of hell the people on board are going through. Powerless, drifting, scared, alone, and at the mercy of perilous seas the Michelle hopes and waits for rescue somewhere offshore Curacao. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 09, 2009, 01:27:57 PM http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2453.msg318352#msg318352 This wasn't part of any conspiracy or diversion. The Michelle was in distress. They likely lost their mast in which case they would lose GPS positioning. By the time they realised they were in trouble they got disoriented and didn't know where they were. Those seas were very rough. The night can be extremely disorienting especially with clouds on the horizon, no power, and bouncing around inside of a derilict boat. It's courtesy to respond to distress calls when you're in the vicinity. The Persistence is always in the vicinity where Natalee could be found. This is why we're searching. IMO The Aruban authorities have done nothing but help in anyway they can. As for costing a nights work... the night was too rough to search and we would have turned towards the dock shortly anyhow. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2438.msg329949#msg329949 2100 hrs - A call comes on the radio from the Aruban Port Authority requesting the Persistence assist a vessel in distress. A sailboat named Michelle with 6 reported on board is adrift. In such strong winds and high seas it's possible the sailboat could have broken its mast. All we know is that they need immediate help. The search team picks up the sonar and immediately heads in the reported direction of the distressed vessel. For miles we scan the dark horizon as Curacao, Aruba, and the Persistence carefully monitor the radio. Finally, we receive a position and plot a bearing and range -4.5 miles, heading 210 degrees. After a while, the Aruban port authority once again raises the Persistence on the radio, only this time with a very different position. It seems not only is the Michelle adrift, she is very lost. I can only imagine what kind of hell the people on board are going through. Powerless, drifting, scared, alone, and at the mercy of perilous seas the Michelle hopes and waits for rescue somewhere offshore Curacao. ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Artcolley on April 09, 2009, 01:34:56 PM And, btw, can anyone tell me why they hate Kermit so much at the Darkside? I just can't understand this raging hatred toward Kermit. It is bordering on the insane, imo. IMO - because Kerm shared Kyle's info here at SM. It made an obvious falsehood of the pond witness - and many were married to that whole idea. So since they couldn't attack the message (Kyle's) - they attacked the messenger (Kermit). Thank you, Jen. So, it is insane then. Cripes. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 09, 2009, 01:46:34 PM And, btw, can anyone tell me why they hate Kermit so much at the Darkside? I just can't understand this raging hatred toward Kermit. It is bordering on the insane, imo. IMO - because Kerm shared Kyle's info here at SM. It made an obvious falsehood of the pond witness - and many were married to that whole idea. So since they couldn't attack the message (Kyle's) - they attacked the messenger (Kermit). Thank you, Jen. So, it is insane then. Cripes. YW Art! Yep - insane best describes it. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 09, 2009, 02:10:08 PM Just because this is really bothering me. May 12 2008 Kyle wrote: He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed. The vision was cryptic and actually contained a latitude which from what he claimed could have been anywhere in the world. The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude. Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap Comment from Michelle's blog: latitude 12º 52’ N and longitude 70º 53’W said... The Latitude of the quay in Oranjestad is 12º 31’ N and the longitude is 70º 02’W: The Latitude of the quay in Barcadera is 12º 29’ N and the longitude is 70º 00’W. Natalee's remains had been located at latitude 12º 52’ N and longitude 70º 53’W. January 12, 2008 2:11:00 AM EST http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2008/01/today-on-oprah-beth-and-matt-holloway.html My google map skills are not the greatest, but I just made an attempt to locate the bolded latitude and longitude, and found it was way out, just above the gulf of venezuela & that inlet that is to the left of the gas blocks & leads to Lake Maracaibo to the south. Perhaps someone with better map skills & computer can confirm whether my finding was accurate. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 09, 2009, 02:24:16 PM Interesting front page post from 12/27/08
Persistence Continues Search for Natalee Holloway in Aruba Waters The Persistence continues is job in searching for Natalee Holloway off the coast of Aruba. The deep sea search continues and is full steam ahead. They pursue the mission at hand, but recently took time to give us a brief update as to how the effort were going, News Audio Update from the Aruban Natalee Holloway Deep Sea Search. Good luck to all aboard the RV Persistence … The Persistance searching the seabed for the remains of Natalee Holloway. ORANJESTAD – The decision of the Public Prosecutor to dismiss the Holloway-case has no effect on the investigation of the special ship Persistance, emphasized the crew that started to scan the seabed around Aruba on Tuesday. With the best equipment in the world, they are trying to find Holloway. Dave Holloway, Natalee’s father announced the arrival of the ship one month ago. However, the ship’s arrival was delayed by the tropical storm Olga. The ship has modern sonological-equipment that can scan up to 4000 meters deep. The ship can scan very deep seabeds. The ship will first determine the topographical situation of the sea around Aruba till the sea border with Venezuela. The speed of the sound under water is measured with a sound velocity profile (SVP). This is needed for the calculation of data during the scan. Strange abnormal forms on the seabed can be captured with that. Maritime geologist Kyle Kingman, who maintains a blog about the expedition compares the seabed with an ‘old living creature from the end of the cretaceous period, full of stories’. “We know that this creature is making sure that he does not abandon his secrets”, writes Kingman. He expects though that when the side scan sonar is activated, the contents of each split is going to be revealed and can be seen on a monitor in the computer room. He says though that it remains difficult, like a shopping cart in an area as big as Manhattan. The search is of course going to cost a lot. There are 18 people working with the most modern and expensive instruments on board of the ship. Project manager Tim Miller doesn’t want to confirm that millions of dollars in donations are paying for this search. “We don’t want media-attention; we only want to do our job.” He only wanted to talk to Diario. Also the office of the organization Texas Equusearch (TES), of which Miller is the founder, doesn’t want to say anything. This abundantly sponsored American organization is specialized in search actions for mainly missing fellow country persons. TES has already searched for Natalee two years ago, but only to a depth of 100 meters at that time. The organization receives a lot of monetary- as well as emotional support on the weblog. This support is mainly from people that give the Lord’s blessing and that ask everybody to pray for the crew on the ship and the Holloway family. Criticism is not really tolerated on the website. These are not even added to the log. An anonymous informant is wondering whether the authorities are on board of the ship for if they find evidence. The lawyers of the former suspects are afraid that evidence can be planted by the crew. “They may just drop or add a purse for example.” The OM does not cooperate with the search action, but wants to be kept informed of whatever is discovered that can be of interest. It is not known whether the crew has applied for a work permit for the search with the government. (Amigoe: 12/27/2007) http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/27/persistence-continues-search-for-natalee-holloway-in-aruba-waters/ Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 09, 2009, 02:27:43 PM Just because this is really bothering me. May 12 2008 Kyle wrote: He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed. The vision was cryptic and actually contained a latitude which from what he claimed could have been anywhere in the world. The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude. Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap Comment from Michelle's blog: latitude 12º 52’ N and longitude 70º 53’W said... The Latitude of the quay in Oranjestad is 12º 31’ N and the longitude is 70º 02’W: The Latitude of the quay in Barcadera is 12º 29’ N and the longitude is 70º 00’W. Natalee's remains had been located at latitude 12º 52’ N and longitude 70º 53’W. January 12, 2008 2:11:00 AM EST http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2008/01/today-on-oprah-beth-and-matt-holloway.html My google map skills are not the greatest, but I just made an attempt to locate the bolded latitude and longitude, and found it was way out, just above the gulf of venezuela & that inlet that is to the left of the gas blocks & leads to Lake Maracaibo to the south. Perhaps someone with better map skills & computer can confirm whether my finding was accurate. Your map actually gives lat and long along the right side and bottom of it. By using those numbers on the map, seems to me that lat and long would sit right at Aruba somewhere.............couldn't for the life of me pinpoint it exactly, lol - but at least the right area. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 09, 2009, 02:35:57 PM This is not my forte, so bear with me here. And we'll have to go from right to left...I have no explanation for how that happened! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Ok. On the very right of the image below is a map of Aruba/Venezuela, in the middle is the map showing the Cardon III area, and on the left is the map from the very right image superimposed over the peninsula from the middle image. Finally, I threw a couple of xx's there on the left image to show where they said they were searching. Very approximate. (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3658/3426421019_c04d9471f1_o.jpg) I repeat: This is meant to be a very rough approximation only and is in no way intended to represent otherwise. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 09, 2009, 02:36:18 PM Interesting front page post from 12/27/08 Persistence Continues Search for Natalee Holloway in Aruba Waters The Persistence continues is job in searching for Natalee Holloway off the coast of Aruba. The deep sea search continues and is full steam ahead. They pursue the mission at hand, but recently took time to give us a brief update as to how the effort were going, News Audio Update from the Aruban Natalee Holloway Deep Sea Search. Good luck to all aboard the RV Persistence … The Persistance searching the seabed for the remains of Natalee Holloway. ORANJESTAD – The decision of the Public Prosecutor to dismiss the Holloway-case has no effect on the investigation of the special ship Persistance, emphasized the crew that started to scan the seabed around Aruba on Tuesday. With the best equipment in the world, they are trying to find Holloway. Dave Holloway, Natalee’s father announced the arrival of the ship one month ago. However, the ship’s arrival was delayed by the tropical storm Olga. The ship has modern sonological-equipment that can scan up to 4000 meters deep. The ship can scan very deep seabeds. The ship will first determine the topographical situation of the sea around Aruba till the sea border with Venezuela. The speed of the sound under water is measured with a sound velocity profile (SVP). This is needed for the calculation of data during the scan. Strange abnormal forms on the seabed can be captured with that. http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/27/persistence-continues-search-for-natalee-holloway-in-aruba-waters/ ::MonkeyEek:: So they were certainly going to be in the region of Cardon 3 doing topographical (at least) surveys. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 09, 2009, 02:38:56 PM skip to main | skip to sidebar The Search for Natalee Holloway
The purpose of this blog is to give an inside look into the search for Natalee Holloway, offshore Aruba, Dec-2007. All writings are from a geophysical engineer and marine geologist on board the search vessel R/V Persistence. All quotes are direct quotes. All information in this site is reviewed for content and accuracy. This site will be updated daily until the search is terminated. Wednesday, January 2, 2008 X. Persistence Fri 12-Jan 1145 hrs The seas calmed down dramatically since Wednesday. Last night was smooth sailing and saw double the progress of the previous nights. Thurs 11-Jan 0030 hrs The bathymetric survey of the new grid is completed. The search area now totals approximately 57 sq miles, compared to the original 22 sq miles. http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/01/x-persistence.html Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: billb's daughter on April 09, 2009, 02:40:35 PM Lat/Long finder..
try this: go to: http://atlas.mapquest.com/maps/latlong.adp Map a lat/long coordinate using decimal values. Latitude: (e.g., 12.5200) Longitude: (e.g., -70.5300) You should get a locate Star west of aruba...... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 09, 2009, 02:42:57 PM I found this coordinate converter site and entered the longitude and latitude (12.52N, 70.53W which I hope was right). It will bring up the google map after processing. When I went in a little it didn't seem as close as Lifesong's but, again, my google map skills are not that great.
http://www.mobilefish.com/services/coordinate_converter/coordinate_converter.php Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 09, 2009, 02:45:26 PM This might help get us closer? And also tells us Chevron analyzed seismic data for it in 2008 ::MonkeyCool::
Chevron has a 100 percent-owned and operated interest in the Cardon III Block, north of Lake Maracaibo in the Gulf of Venezuela. Seismic data from this block, which has natural-gas potential, was analyzed in 2008. Drilling was planned to begin on an exploration well in the first half of 2009. Updated: March 2009 http://www.chevron.com/countries/venezuela/businessportfolio/default.aspx Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 09, 2009, 02:45:26 PM Where is KTF???? ::MonkeyShocked:: Maybe I missed a post that said He was going to be missing....
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 09, 2009, 02:45:57 PM skip to main | skip to sidebar The Search for Natalee Holloway The purpose of this blog is to give an inside look into the search for Natalee Holloway, offshore Aruba, Dec-2007. All writings are from a geophysical engineer and marine geologist on board the search vessel R/V Persistence. All quotes are direct quotes. All information in this site is reviewed for content and accuracy. This site will be updated daily until the search is terminated. Wednesday, January 2, 2008 X. Persistence Fri 12-Jan 1145 hrs The seas calmed down dramatically since Wednesday. Last night was smooth sailing and saw double the progress of the previous nights. Thurs 11-Jan 0030 hrs The bathymetric survey of the new grid is completed. The search area now totals approximately 57 sq miles, compared to the original 22 sq miles. http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/01/x-persistence.html http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2008/01/like-plague.html flying fish over at the lighthouse said... The new grid is based on the newest tip picked up by FBI on Deepak's Internet to his Chicago lawyers. "There are no sharks but flying fish over at the lighthouse". Deepak quipped. January 10, 2008 3:27:00 PM EST ::MonkeyEek:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 09, 2009, 02:50:14 PM Where is KTF???? ::MonkeyShocked:: Maybe I missed a post that said He was going to be missing.... I noticed yesterday, but figured he has some fish to fry, sotospeak. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 09, 2009, 03:14:31 PM 12/10/2007 Aruba delegation in New Delhi (http://www.incargroup.com/press/2007_12_01_archive.html): “…Also, the country [Aruba] is expected to float an open tender next year for exploring its natural resources such as oil and gas, in which it is expecting the Indian industry to participate. 06/08/2008 “The premier of Aruba made these comments (http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/good-new-about-aruba-electricity-water-31591/) during a press conference yesterday. He is just back from a working visit in Colombia. “This is an historic moment,” said Oduber. The premier says that altering the WEB to use natural gas instead of fuel oil must be possible in one year. WEB will take care of the costs, about 20 millions. The natural gas will have to be transported by ship in the beginning, but the construction of a pipeline must be considered on the medium- and long run. This pipeline will have to run via Venezuela to our island. Oduber thinks that this may take about 3 years (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2890.msg388191#msg388191).” 11/14/2008 – NEW Gas drilling close to Aruba 14 November 2008 ORANJESTAD - Venezuela and Russia have started with mutual drillings for gas in sea. One of the fields where they are gong to drill, Cardón III, lies close to Aruba. The Venezuelan company PdVSA and the Russian Gazprom do the exploitation. Almost 190 Venezuelans, Russians, and Americans work on the project Venezuela and Russia close to Aruba.The idea is that also the American Chevron-Texaco participates actively in the project, which is something that Venezuela has promised a few years ago. Chevron-Texaco is coping with the anti-American attitude of the Chavez-government. Jen - just throwing this out there on the pipeline, in case it helps... I know we gathered a lot more information on this project that includes the Cardon III area than ever made it to the timeline because we just didn't have a way to tie it in. I'll search my notes files next to see if I've saved anything else, otherwise it's going to be back in the threads. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 09, 2009, 03:45:01 PM Venezuela and Trinidad and Tobago Pipelines map - Crude Oil (petroleum) pipelines - Natural Gas pipelines - Products pipelines
http://www.theodora.com/pipelines/venezuela_and_trinidad_and_tobago_pipelines_map.html SOURCE: various The following table lists Venezuela and Trinidad and Tobago pipelines, as shown on the map. It is followed by the map, which you can click to see an enlarged version. The pipeline routes on the map are labeled with the codes that are explained in the table. Pipeline label codes are colored green for oil, red for gas and blue for products, such as gasolene, propane and ethylene. The diameter, length and capacity of the pipeline, if known, are shown on the table. Follow these links for current Venezuela economic data, which include oil and natural gas production, consumption, imports and exports, and Trinidad and Tobago economic data, with the same information. For historical data, follow this link, and on that page click on a year, and then a country name. http://www.theodora.com/pipelines/venezuela_and_trinidad_and_tobago_pipelines_map.html Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 09, 2009, 03:45:39 PM Where is KTF???? ::MonkeyShocked:: Maybe I missed a post that said He was going to be missing.... I noticed yesterday, but figured he has some fish to fry, sotospeak. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: MuffyBee on April 09, 2009, 03:51:06 PM Name: Keepthefaith
Position: Scared Monkey Last Active: April 07, 2009, 11:30:58 PM I hope all is well with KTF. I will post the Tick Tock Clock and maybe he'll hear it and come post with us. (http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Kermit on April 09, 2009, 03:56:37 PM At your service Artcolley ::MonkeyWink:: Quote from: Artcolley on April 08, 2009, 04:08:17 PM FWIW, I have NEVER read anywhere that Kermit said he/she was a Secret Service Agent. I have seen where OTHERS have wondered this, but NOWHERE have I seen Kermit state this. I would LOVE to see where Kermit said this, so if anyone has a link to this, I'd appreciate it. Kermit : They have no link because I never, ever said that. THEY said it. Then attacked/stalked me. Odd isn't it that NOT ONE OF THEM questions the LIES they were told by capslockwizard or johan555 and his Joran is in den dolder and hermit craps that don't exists! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ And what is this Kermit ?: Kermit said : " I was downstairs next to ANOTHER Secret Service Agent" (http://i41.tinypic.com/2zhikk7.jpg) The ceremony was held outside - where President Nixon's house that he grew up in in the background. He is buried next to his wife by the gardens and his child hood house. Billy Graham gave the prayer/eulogy Afterwards, I went downstairs, inside the RN Library. I had CIA clearance. I was standing next to a Secret Service agent and a troop of Marines! WAITING for Clinton to leave the building so I could go to where I wanted to go when I went downstairs. Anymore diversions johann? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Rob on April 09, 2009, 03:56:48 PM http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2008/01/like-plague.html flying fish over at the lighthouse said... The new grid is based on the newest tip picked up by FBI on Deepak's Internet to his Chicago lawyers. "There are no sharks but flying fish over at the lighthouse". Deepak quipped. January 10, 2008 3:27:00 PM EST ::MonkeyEek:: whomever KNEW this - KNEW Aruba. And had to be out on a ship at some point. That's obviously where the flying fish are. And mainly at night. They will jump / fly on the deck of a passing ship. enlarged, bold, and blue by me Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 09, 2009, 03:57:49 PM Name: Keepthefaith Thank You MuffyBee....I sure hope He is alright and that the Tick Tock clock works to get Him here.... ::MonkeyWink::Position: Scared Monkey Last Active: April 07, 2009, 11:30:58 PM I hope all is well with KTF. I will post the Tick Tock Clock and maybe he'll hear it and come post with us. (http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Rob on April 09, 2009, 03:58:36 PM http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2008/01/like-plague.html flying fish over at the lighthouse said... The new grid is based on the newest tip picked up by FBI on Deepak's Internet to his Chicago lawyers. "There are no sharks but flying fish over at the lighthouse". Deepak quipped. January 10, 2008 3:27:00 PM EST ::MonkeyEek:: whomever KNEW this - KNEW Aruba. And had to be out on a ship at some point. That's obviously where the flying fish are. And mainly at night. They will jump / fly on the deck of a passing ship. enlarged, bold, and Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Kermit on April 09, 2009, 03:59:15 PM Maybe I dreamed this..................but didn't someone here post a map of all these Venezuelan blocks a few months ago? I think KeepingTheFaith posted one. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Rob on April 09, 2009, 04:00:59 PM Name: Keepthefaith Position: Scared Monkey Last Active: April 07, 2009, 11:30:58 PM I hope all is well with KTF. I will post the Tick Tock Clock and maybe he'll hear it and come post with us. (http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif) maybe the Gizzardlockcaps hit squad got him ::MonkeyHaHa:: or maybe one of drenga's deranged emails sent him into monkey shock ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Kermit on April 09, 2009, 04:03:33 PM 2NJ- comparing those two maps - it does appear that way, doesn't it? Which would mean Persistence would have had to be on the South side of the island - opposite of where they were. IMO, we need to find out for sure......... Remember the photo I posted and it looked to be at a different area. You could tell from the background. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 09, 2009, 04:10:15 PM KTF posted this - but I evidently didn't copy the link to his post, just the link he posted!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4617.40 Quote from: Keepthefaith on Today at 12:03:42 AM This article seems to give a wealth of knowledge pertaining to what is going on down there!I believe it is from January of 2006 but is like an amazing power-point presentation as to what's goin on.Scroll down to page 15 Look who is very close to Aruba in the Cardon 3... http://www.pdvsa.com/interface.en/database/fichero/publicacion/1101/35.PDF KTF, where are you????? ::MonkeyWaa:: Edit: Added the link to KTF's post. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Rob on April 09, 2009, 04:14:14 PM yanno, I'm not sure what to make of the BoycottArubaBlogspot comments.
There ARE some amazing comments and what I would call incredible coincidences. I'm not sure that the author has Kyle's melodic and poetic script - As Anna might say. But I can tell you that the person does possess - MOTIVATION - tons of comments by the same person. There's some reason to the madness. LOTS OF TIME ON THEIR HANDS - it takes time to type out so many comments and have them in and out of line with so much we know now. Sprinkle in some true, but not enough to lead to anyone person. Lots of down time at sea. EXCELLENT TYPIST and SPELLER - (of course this can be done with firefox or even a simple spell checker) This person has use of nautical terms and navigation. Most here do not possess those attributes. In fact most people alive don't possess those attributes and most of the worlds population lives by the sea or ocean. Whom ever it is - is a terrific typist. Kyle is a terrific typist and outside of the email I posted from him yesterday (two spelling mistakes in that email) - I don't think I have ever seen him make a spelling mistake. I don't believe Kyle uses spell check and just is able to do it all on his own. His typing skills are as good as Tylergals. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 09, 2009, 04:43:07 PM yanno, I'm not sure what to make of the BoycottArubaBlogspot comments. There ARE some amazing comments and what I would call incredible coincidences. I'm not sure that the author has Kyle's melodic and poetic script - As Anna might say. But I can tell you that the person does possess - MOTIVATION - tons of comments by the same person. There's some reason to the madness. LOTS OF TIME ON THEIR HANDS - it takes time to type out so many comments and have them in and out of line with so much we know now. Sprinkle in some true, but not enough to lead to anyone person. Lots of down time at sea. EXCELLENT TYPIST and SPELLER - (of course this can be done with firefox or even a simple spell checker) This person has use of nautical terms and navigation. Most here do not possess those attributes. In fact most people alive don't possess those attributes and most of the worlds population lives by the sea or ocean. Whom ever it is - is a terrific typist. Kyle is a terrific typist and outside of the email I posted from him yesterday (two spelling mistakes in that email) - I don't think I have ever seen him make a spelling mistake. I don't believe Kyle uses spell check and just is able to do it all on his own. His typing skills are as good as Tylergals. Good points, Rob. Just a couple of things to add: The comments drop off abruptly after the end of January. Not just the Persistence comments - all of the comments. I think I've looked up to something like February 24th so far. There are a few interesting references scattered throughout these. One that comes to mind is the funding of ALE SUVs - Persistence project receives a A+ grade said... The Persistence project receives a A+ grade from the Dutch government based on the preliminary side scan sonar video report review. The Dutch government cut the funding for the new SUV police cars program in Aruba ALE. The Dutch government use that money to invest more into the Persistence project January 3, 2008 12:30:00 AM EST https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=19199597&postID=5767307859974282555&isPopup=true I saw at least one other post that didn't mention the Persistence, trap or search that also mentioned the cut funding for the SUVs. There are few specifics like that in the comments. It would be interesting to know if those things were being discussed by any of the boards and/or which ones. It's also interesting to read the comments as they appear on each of the links, scattered throughout the political ones written very tongue-in-cheek, to put it nicely. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Rob on April 09, 2009, 04:58:35 PM Lifesong, the Kia SUV acquisition was discussed at length at the time.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Buckeye on April 09, 2009, 05:15:21 PM http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2008/01/like-plague.html flying fish over at the lighthouse said... The new grid is based on the newest tip picked up by FBI on Deepak's Internet to his Chicago lawyers. "There are no sharks but flying fish over at the lighthouse". Deepak quipped. January 10, 2008 3:27:00 PM EST ::MonkeyEek:: whomever KNEW this - KNEW Aruba. And had to be out on a ship at some point. That's obviously where the flying fish are. And mainly at night. They will jump / fly on the deck of a passing ship. enlarged, bold, and blue by me Wasn't there a flying fish?bone? restaurant down towards the refinery, or south of palm island?? Espionage or someone posted cryptic things and we searched the road going inland, towards Lorenzos and ? the pet cemetery and Grotto??? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: sharon on April 09, 2009, 05:20:02 PM If you want the rest of his posts -- let me know and I'll post them tonight.
Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:06 pm Post subject: ________________________________________ Just posted on the FP by a poster with the name Espionage: East of where fishbones fly the pathway is blocked with links of chain. The wellspring’s bore is hidden from public view. Is this where someone should be “digging” for truth? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 09, 2009, 05:29:32 PM Hi Sharon!!!
It has been a while. Janet 2:30 PM Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 09, 2009, 05:35:23 PM KTF posted this - but I evidently didn't copy the link to his post, just the link he posted! Quote from: Keepthefaith on Today at 12:03:42 AM This article seems to give a wealth of knowledge pertaining to what is going on down there!I believe it is from January of 2006 but is like an amazing power-point presentation as to what's goin on.Scroll down to page 15 Look who is very close to Aruba in the Cardon 3... http://www.pdvsa.com/interface.en/database/fichero/publicacion/1101/35.PDF KTF, where are you????? ::MonkeyWaa:: Keepthefaith Re: Natalee Case Discussion #804 « Reply #51 on: March 02, 2009, 04:03:42 AM » http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4617.msg698624#msg698624 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Buckeye on April 09, 2009, 05:41:17 PM If you want the rest of his posts -- let me know and I'll post them tonight. Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:06 pm Post subject: ________________________________________ Just posted on the FP by a poster with the name Espionage: East of where fishbones fly the pathway is blocked with links of chain. The wellspring’s bore is hidden from public view. Is this where someone should be “digging” for truth? Wow, sharon, was that really posted in 2006?? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 09, 2009, 05:45:24 PM Welcome back, Janet! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: BUCKSHOT on April 09, 2009, 05:54:31 PM Rob,
Any more from TJ about tapes - GVS? BUCKSHOT Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 09, 2009, 05:55:38 PM Venezuela and Trinidad and Tobago Pipelines map - Crude Oil (petroleum) pipelines - Natural Gas pipelines - Products pipelines http://www.theodora.com/pipelines/venezuela_and_trinidad_and_tobago_pipelines_map.html SOURCE: various The following table lists Venezuela and Trinidad and Tobago pipelines, as shown on the map. It is followed by the map, which you can click to see an enlarged version. The pipeline routes on the map are labeled with the codes that are explained in the table. Pipeline label codes are colored green for oil, red for gas and blue for products, such as gasolene, propane and ethylene. The diameter, length and capacity of the pipeline, if known, are shown on the table. Follow these links for current Venezuela economic data, which include oil and natural gas production, consumption, imports and exports, and Trinidad and Tobago economic data, with the same information. For historical data, follow this link, and on that page click on a year, and then a country name. http://www.theodora.com/pipelines/venezuela_and_trinidad_and_tobago_pipelines_map.html This is a good one. I found it earlier when I was looking for the blocks. Glad you posted it, hotping. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Rob on April 09, 2009, 05:58:55 PM Rob, Any more from TJ about tapes - GVS? BUCKSHOT it's not happening - I don't really wanna go into why. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 09, 2009, 05:59:48 PM Venezuela and Trinidad and Tobago Pipelines map - Crude Oil (petroleum) pipelines - Natural Gas pipelines - Products pipelines http://www.theodora.com/pipelines/venezuela_and_trinidad_and_tobago_pipelines_map.html SOURCE: various The following table lists Venezuela and Trinidad and Tobago pipelines, as shown on the map. It is followed by the map, which you can click to see an enlarged version. The pipeline routes on the map are labeled with the codes that are explained in the table. Pipeline label codes are colored green for oil, red for gas and blue for products, such as gasolene, propane and ethylene. The diameter, length and capacity of the pipeline, if known, are shown on the table. Follow these links for current Venezuela economic data, which include oil and natural gas production, consumption, imports and exports, and Trinidad and Tobago economic data, with the same information. For historical data, follow this link, and on that page click on a year, and then a country name. http://www.theodora.com/pipelines/venezuela_and_trinidad_and_tobago_pipelines_map.html This is a good one. I found it earlier when I was looking for the blocks. Glad you posted it, hotping. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: BUCKSHOT on April 09, 2009, 06:00:05 PM Rob, Any more from TJ about tapes - GVS? BUCKSHOT it's not happening - I don't really wanna go into why. Ok. Fair Enough. Just wondering. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 09, 2009, 06:05:18 PM If you want the rest of his posts -- let me know and I'll post them tonight. Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:06 pm Post subject: ________________________________________ Just posted on the FP by a poster with the name Espionage: East of where fishbones fly the pathway is blocked with links of chain. The wellspring’s bore is hidden from public view. Is this where someone should be “digging” for truth? Wow, sharon, was that really posted in 2006?? I remember all of that, as well. We finally found the Flying Fishbone Restaurant. There are a lot of things in those messages that have been mentioned before. I think the search for the sailboat Michelle is significant!! When I check the Lat & Long I get the are that is shown in Kyle's colorful biorythms map....off of Arishi beach. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 09, 2009, 06:05:26 PM Venezuela and Trinidad and Tobago Pipelines map - Crude Oil (petroleum) pipelines - Natural Gas pipelines - Products pipelines http://www.theodora.com/pipelines/venezuela_and_trinidad_and_tobago_pipelines_map.html SOURCE: various The following table lists Venezuela and Trinidad and Tobago pipelines, as shown on the map. It is followed by the map, which you can click to see an enlarged version. The pipeline routes on the map are labeled with the codes that are explained in the table. Pipeline label codes are colored green for oil, red for gas and blue for products, such as gasolene, propane and ethylene. The diameter, length and capacity of the pipeline, if known, are shown on the table. Follow these links for current Venezuela economic data, which include oil and natural gas production, consumption, imports and exports, and Trinidad and Tobago economic data, with the same information. For historical data, follow this link, and on that page click on a year, and then a country name. http://www.theodora.com/pipelines/venezuela_and_trinidad_and_tobago_pipelines_map.html This is a good one. I found it earlier when I was looking for the blocks. Glad you posted it, hotping. Be my guest!!! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Rob on April 09, 2009, 06:08:21 PM Rob, Any more from TJ about tapes - GVS? BUCKSHOT it's not happening - I don't really wanna go into why. Ok. Fair Enough. Just wondering. I know - its a long answer and I'm just not feeling like explaining it all. Buckshot... maybe it will happen someday. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: BUCKSHOT on April 09, 2009, 06:11:50 PM I was looking around last night...
If it were such a secret, why would they have photographed the bags before stealing the contents. Pretty sure I know the answer, but could a smarter Monkey address this issue. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Buckeye on April 09, 2009, 06:12:40 PM If you want the rest of his posts -- let me know and I'll post them tonight. Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:06 pm Post subject: ________________________________________ Just posted on the FP by a poster with the name Espionage: East of where fishbones fly the pathway is blocked with links of chain. The wellspring’s bore is hidden from public view. Is this where someone should be “digging” for truth? Wow, sharon, was that really posted in 2006?? I remember all of that, as well. We finally found the Flying Fishbone Restaurant. There are a lot of things in those messages that have been mentioned before. I think the search for the sailboat Michelle is significant!! When I check the Lat & Long I get the are that is shown in Kyle's colorful biorythms map....off of Arishi beach. Yes, I thought that was quite odd, at the time. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 09, 2009, 06:17:31 PM Venezuela and Trinidad and Tobago Pipelines map - Crude Oil (petroleum) pipelines - Natural Gas pipelines - Products pipelines http://www.theodora.com/pipelines/venezuela_and_trinidad_and_tobago_pipelines_map.html SOURCE: various The following table lists Venezuela and Trinidad and Tobago pipelines, as shown on the map. It is followed by the map, which you can click to see an enlarged version. The pipeline routes on the map are labeled with the codes that are explained in the table. Pipeline label codes are colored green for oil, red for gas and blue for products, such as gasolene, propane and ethylene. The diameter, length and capacity of the pipeline, if known, are shown on the table. Follow these links for current Venezuela economic data, which include oil and natural gas production, consumption, imports and exports, and Trinidad and Tobago economic data, with the same information. For historical data, follow this link, and on that page click on a year, and then a country name. http://www.theodora.com/pipelines/venezuela_and_trinidad_and_tobago_pipelines_map.html This is a good one. I found it earlier when I was looking for the blocks. Glad you posted it, hotping. Be my guest!!! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 09, 2009, 06:18:53 PM If you want the rest of his posts -- let me know and I'll post them tonight. Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:06 pm Post subject: ________________________________________ Just posted on the FP by a poster with the name Espionage: East of where fishbones fly the pathway is blocked with links of chain. The wellspring’s bore is hidden from public view. Is this where someone should be “digging” for truth? Thank you, Sharon. I knew we had a thread somewhere with them, so I just looked & found them in the S & S forum. ::MonkeyHaHa:: A little bit down on the page, Klaas posted them in sequence, then Sleuth followed by posting direct links to the comments on the FP. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=564.0 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 09, 2009, 06:20:52 PM Venezuela and Trinidad and Tobago Pipelines map - Crude Oil (petroleum) pipelines - Natural Gas pipelines - Products pipelines http://www.theodora.com/pipelines/venezuela_and_trinidad_and_tobago_pipelines_map.html SOURCE: various The following table lists Venezuela and Trinidad and Tobago pipelines, as shown on the map. It is followed by the map, which you can click to see an enlarged version. The pipeline routes on the map are labeled with the codes that are explained in the table. Pipeline label codes are colored green for oil, red for gas and blue for products, such as gasolene, propane and ethylene. The diameter, length and capacity of the pipeline, if known, are shown on the table. Follow these links for current Venezuela economic data, which include oil and natural gas production, consumption, imports and exports, and Trinidad and Tobago economic data, with the same information. For historical data, follow this link, and on that page click on a year, and then a country name. http://www.theodora.com/pipelines/venezuela_and_trinidad_and_tobago_pipelines_map.html This is a good one. I found it earlier when I was looking for the blocks. Glad you posted it, hotping. Be my guest!!! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool:: What shall I name it? (to start a thread, you have to click the tab that says New Topic....I'll do it....just help me get the Subject right. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: wreck on April 09, 2009, 06:31:35 PM What was the date of the Persistence "rescue" of the "Michelle"?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 09, 2009, 06:40:21 PM What was the date of the Persistence "rescue" of the "Michelle"? Kyle posted about it under the date 1/17/08 on the Persistence blog stating the help call came in at 2100 hr, but at the bottom it says it was posted by Kyle at 9-something. Maybe it's just me but it's hard to tell if he was recording in real time or as the spirit moved him. He was questioned about it here on 1/18/08. http://nholloway.blogspot.com/ Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: wreck on April 09, 2009, 06:42:42 PM What was the date of the Persistence "rescue" of the "Michelle"? Kyle posted about it under the date 1/17/08 on the Persistence blog stating the help call came in at 2100 hr, but at the bottom it says it was posted by Kyle at 9-something. Maybe it's just me but it's hard to tell if he was recording in real time or as the spirit moved him. He was questioned about it here on 1/18/08. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 09, 2009, 06:44:52 PM Venezuela and Trinidad and Tobago Pipelines map - Crude Oil (petroleum) pipelines - Natural Gas pipelines - Products pipelines http://www.theodora.com/pipelines/venezuela_and_trinidad_and_tobago_pipelines_map.html SOURCE: various The following table lists Venezuela and Trinidad and Tobago pipelines, as shown on the map. It is followed by the map, which you can click to see an enlarged version. The pipeline routes on the map are labeled with the codes that are explained in the table. Pipeline label codes are colored green for oil, red for gas and blue for products, such as gasolene, propane and ethylene. The diameter, length and capacity of the pipeline, if known, are shown on the table. Follow these links for current Venezuela economic data, which include oil and natural gas production, consumption, imports and exports, and Trinidad and Tobago economic data, with the same information. For historical data, follow this link, and on that page click on a year, and then a country name. http://www.theodora.com/pipelines/venezuela_and_trinidad_and_tobago_pipelines_map.html This is a good one. I found it earlier when I was looking for the blocks. Glad you posted it, hotping. Be my guest!!! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool:: What shall I name it? (to start a thread, you have to click the tab that says New Topic....I'll do it....just help me get the Subject right. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: klaasend on April 09, 2009, 06:46:43 PM Thurs 17-Jan 2320 hrs
The Persistence left the dock today at 1224 hrs. The trade winds are howling at 30+kts. The 8ft+ seas are growing and brimming with white caps rolling in from the northeast. The occasional 12-14ft swell rocks the Persistence mercilessly along with its inhabitants. Inside, life goes on as usual and spirits are high. Exceptionally large swells throw around anything that isn't dogged down. The galley clock gets thrown off the wall and is now stuck reading 8:35. It seems we also have high-tech self-clearing shelves, tables, and counters. Traversing around inside the boat is a novelty in high seas. People turn into walking pendulums making Z-shaped paths leaning to and fro 30 degrees. The comedy is abruptly interupted with a sobering reminder of the ocean's peril over the radio. 2100 hrs - A call comes on the radio from the Aruban Port Authority requesting the Persistence assist a vessel in distress. A sailboat named Michelle with 6 reported on board is adrift. In such strong winds and high seas it's possible the sailboat could have broken its mast. All we know is that they need immediate help. The search team picks up the sonar and immediately heads in the reported direction of the distressed vessel. For miles we scan the dark horizon as Curacao, Aruba, and the Persistence carefully monitor the radio. Finally, we receive a position and plot a bearing and range -4.5 miles, heading 210 degrees. After a while, the Aruban port authority once again raises the Persistence on the radio, only this time with a very different position. It seems not only is the Michelle adrift, she is very lost. I can only imagine what kind of hell the people on board are going through. Powerless, drifting, scared, alone, and at the mercy of perilous seas the Michelle hopes and waits for rescue somewhere offshore Curacao. The Persistence is called off its search and turns towards the Port of Aruba at 2300 hrs. Although unspoken, we all feel a sense of disappointment knowing the Michelle is still out there in danger. http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008_01_01_archive.html Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 09, 2009, 06:46:53 PM What was the date of the Persistence "rescue" of the "Michelle"? Kyle posted about it under the date 1/17/08 on the Persistence blog stating the help call came in at 2100 hr, but at the bottom it says it was posted by Kyle at 9-something. Maybe it's just me but it's hard to tell if he was recording in real time or as the spirit moved him. He was questioned about it here on 1/18/08. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 09, 2009, 06:47:45 PM BBL Monkeys.....
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 09, 2009, 06:51:04 PM BBL Monkeys..... OK....your thread is waiting for you. ::MonkeyWink:: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4838.new#new Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 09, 2009, 06:52:39 PM What was the date of the Persistence "rescue" of the "Michelle"? Kyle posted about it under the date 1/17/08 on the Persistence blog stating the help call came in at 2100 hr, but at the bottom it says it was posted by Kyle at 9-something. Maybe it's just me but it's hard to tell if he was recording in real time or as the spirit moved him. He was questioned about it here on 1/18/08. Been working on that since last night, Wreck! ::MonkeyWink:: Next update currently scheduled for Saturday and they'll be in there. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: wreck on April 09, 2009, 07:00:20 PM What was the date of the Persistence "rescue" of the "Michelle"? Kyle posted about it under the date 1/17/08 on the Persistence blog stating the help call came in at 2100 hr, but at the bottom it says it was posted by Kyle at 9-something. Maybe it's just me but it's hard to tell if he was recording in real time or as the spirit moved him. He was questioned about it here on 1/18/08. Been working on that since last night, Wreck! ::MonkeyWink:: Next update currently scheduled for Saturday and they'll be in there. ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 09, 2009, 07:01:14 PM Mmmmm I don't remember that Hotping. And I remember I think Janet specifically was interested in them looking off the East shore..........I believe? I just don't think I remember reading that ever happened. ::MonkeyConfused:: I still am a believer that Natalee Holloway's remains were not immediately taken out to sea. When Kyle Kingman requested theories ... I emailed him mine but ... he did not seem impressed. Story of my life. ::MonkeyWaa:: Janet +++++++ TAMIKOSMOM'S THEORY - IN A NUTSHELL 1. COULD A DECEASED NATALEE HOLLOWAY HAVE BEEN MOVED FROM THE ARUBAN HOTEL STRIP TO THE EASTERN AREA OF THE ISLAND ON THE MORNING OF MAY 30, 2005? NANCY GRACE Search for Natalee Holloway Aired July 29, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET GRACE: OK. Jossy, is there any way to tie in a white pick-up to this scenario? MANSUR: Yes, ma`am, because there`s another witness that, before that, told someone that works at the hotels that he saw a white pick-up over there by the Holiday Inn, in which three persons were also in, all of them male, carrying what looked like the body of a girl, putting it in the back of the white pick-up and driving away with it. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html 2. COULD NATALEE HAVE BEEN BURIED IN A SHALLOW GRACE ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE ISLAND ON MAY 30, 2005? Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 04:53 AM in Natalee Holloway | Permalink | Comments (270) | TrackBack (2) On Natalee's Yahoo forum there there is a report that a helicopter is searching Santa Lucia area because according to the cell phone records of one of the three suspects there was a call in the Santa Lucia area at 6:30 am the morning Natalee was to have met up with the group to leave for airport. http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/week24/ Holloway Stalemate? Sunday, July 03, 2005 VAN SUSTEREN: .... I am also curious whether Paul van der Sloot used his phone between midnight and 7 a.m. on May 30. He told me no... he told the Dutch TV correspondent on camera no... but after the interview with the Dutch TV correspondent, he pulled him aside and said maybe he did make a call and that he was not sure. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161474,00.html Dave Holloway Question and Answer Chat - BFN January 23, 2006 14. Why was the school bus driver called the next morning and told to pick up Joran at Lorenzo's house? DAVE: Joran was allegedly dropped off at a bus stop on the main highway. The bus driver had not made it there yet and saved Paulus about 30 minutes. Lorenzo's house was nearby. http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=2256.0 Scared Monkey’s Interview Transcript with Tim Miller - July 24th, 2005 RED: There have been reports that a shallow grave was discovered in the area of Boca Tortuga, on the eastern part of the island. There are also reports that cell-phone calls made by Joran early in the morning came from a location on the eastern side of the island. It seems plausible that thisarea could yield more clues TIM MILLER: We found a site that we feel as though was a possible gravesite. Our thoughts are that Natalee may have been buried in that hole for 1 or 2 days then moved. We have information that the cell phones were possibly being used in that area http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/24/interview-transcript-with-tim-miller-july-24th-2005/ NANCY GRACE Nancy Grace for July 13, 2005, CNNHN Aired July 13, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET PENHAUL: The searchers were at an area called Boca Prim (ph). That`s on the northern side of the island near the national park. It`s an area of soft sand dunes. There`s only one road to get down there. It`s a very rough road. You can really only get there by four-wheel drive. It`s where a dry riverbed meets the ocean. And it`s at that area where this thing that looked like a grave, a hole, about four feet deep and about the length of a body with a mound of sand beside it, was found, Nancy. GRACE: Now, also, on the north end of the island, where they were today, is that where that lighthouse is? PENHAUL: Not really, no. The lighthouse is at the northern tip, at the northwest tip. And this area is really on the northeastern side of the island. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/13/ng.01.html What did the Aruba Park Ranger pick up at Boca Tortuga area? Fabric that matched Natalee’s Top? What ever happened to this material? Why didn’t the media camera man take a close up of what so closely resembled the green fabric of Natalee’s top? One would have thought that they would have zoomed right in to see what had been collected. On Sunday, July 17, 2005 the park rangers found the duct tape with long blonde hair in the Boca Tortuga area of Aruba. A park ranger being video’d walking around picks up a piece of fabric that matches Natalee’s top. The question still remains today, what ever happened to this evidence that was collected? We also need to remember that this material that was found washed ashore following the hurricanes that took place last summer. It is highly possibly that the material washed ashore from another location on the island or from out at sea. View images at: http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/06/18/what-did-the-aruba-park-ranger-pick-up-at-boca-tortuga-area-fabric-that-matched-natalees-top/ 3. COULD NATALE HAVE BEEN MOVED FROM THE SHALLOW GRAVE AND PLACED IN THE LANDFILL ON JUNE 1, 2005. Police Comb Aruba Landfill in Natalee Case Saturday, July 30, 2005 ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Police and volunteers used heavy equipment, shovels and trained dogs Saturday to pick through a landfill where a witness claimed he saw men dumping a female body two days after an Alabama teenager vanished. The landfill is on the southern part of the Dutch Caribbean (search) island, the opposite side from where Natalee Holloway was last seen in the early hours of May 30. The witness claimed he saw the men dumping the body on the afternoon of June 1, said Tim Miller, director of Texas EquuSearch (search), which is coordinating the landfill search. The FBI and Aruban police have questioned the witness, an Aruban man who claimed to be dropping off trash at the time, Miller said. "He said he saw a face, blond hair and a woman's chest, and that the body was dumped and covered," Miller said. The witness could not identify the men but said they were driving a light colored jeep, said Miller, who spoke to the man Friday. Police spokesman Edwin Comenencia (search) said police searched the landfill after receiving the tip in days following Holloway's disappearance, but found nothing. He said the witness recently approached Holloway's family, who asked for another search. http://origin.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,164208,00.html NANCY GRACE Search for Natalee Holloway Aired July 29, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET MANSUR: … But it`s very important to note that the witness on the beach by the Holiday Inn has absolutely no knowledge of the witness over there to the east side of the island by the landfill or dump. They don't know each other, but still they give the same description of the same white pick-up. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html NANCY GRACE Search for Natalee Holloway Aired July 29, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET CANDIOTTI:his same witness claims to have told police that he saw a vehicle and was able to provide a tag number to police. I am told that this is a registered car in Aruba, but I can`t tell you more than that. Police Search Landfill For Natalee Witness Says He Saw Body Dumped There After U.S. Teen Vanished ORANJESTAD, Aruba, July 30, 2005 | by Lloyd de Vries The witness told his brother what he saw soon afterward, and the brother told police, he said. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/31/world/main712950.shtml?source=search_story COULD JUNIOR'S OBSERVATION OF JUNE 1, 2005 HAVE DICTATED NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S REMAINS WERE MOVED ONCE AGAIN ... TO THE OCEAN? NANCY GRACE Suspect Released by Aruban Police; BTK`s Special Privileges Aired April 24, 2006 - 20:00:00 ET GRACE: Well, Dave Holloway, aren`t there logs and isn`t there surveillance in place in Aruba of all the ships that go out of the tiny island, even at night? HOLLOWAY: Well, there is but on one of those nights, I think it was June the 7th or June the 8th, the electricity went out on the island for about two hours so you wonder if that would have been the prime opportunity to do it. Small boats, I don`t think, can be picked up as well as the big ones. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/24/ng.01.html Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: wreck on April 09, 2009, 07:01:16 PM Reminds me! Holiday weekend tomorrow.............. big news from Aruba?????? ::MonkeyNoNo::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 09, 2009, 07:05:27 PM Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Edward on April 09, 2009, 07:16:30 PM Mmmmm I don't remember that Hotping. And I remember I think Janet specifically was interested in them looking off the East shore..........I believe? I just don't think I remember reading that ever happened. ::MonkeyConfused:: I still am a believer that Natalee Holloway's remains were not immediately taken out to sea. When Kyle Kingman requested theories ... I emailed him mine but ... he did not seem impressed. Story of my life. ::MonkeyWaa:: Janet +++++++ TAMIKOSMOM'S THEORY - IN A NUTSHELL 1. COULD A DECEASED NATALEE HOLLOWAY HAVE BEEN MOVED FROM THE ARUBAN HOTEL STRIP TO THE EASTERN AREA OF THE ISLAND ON THE MORNING OF MAY 30, 2005? NANCY GRACE Search for Natalee Holloway Aired July 29, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET GRACE: OK. Jossy, is there any way to tie in a white pick-up to this scenario? MANSUR: Yes, ma`am, because there`s another witness that, before that, told someone that works at the hotels that he saw a white pick-up over there by the Holiday Inn, in which three persons were also in, all of them male, carrying what looked like the body of a girl, putting it in the back of the white pick-up and driving away with it. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html 2. COULD NATALEE HAVE BEEN BURIED IN A SHALLOW GRACE ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE ISLAND ON MAY 30, 2005? Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 04:53 AM in Natalee Holloway | Permalink | Comments (270) | TrackBack (2) On Natalee's Yahoo forum there there is a report that a helicopter is searching Santa Lucia area because according to the cell phone records of one of the three suspects there was a call in the Santa Lucia area at 6:30 am the morning Natalee was to have met up with the group to leave for airport. http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/week24/ Holloway Stalemate? Sunday, July 03, 2005 VAN SUSTEREN: .... I am also curious whether Paul van der Sloot used his phone between midnight and 7 a.m. on May 30. He told me no... he told the Dutch TV correspondent on camera no... but after the interview with the Dutch TV correspondent, he pulled him aside and said maybe he did make a call and that he was not sure. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161474,00.html Dave Holloway Question and Answer Chat - BFN January 23, 2006 14. Why was the school bus driver called the next morning and told to pick up Joran at Lorenzo's house? DAVE: Joran was allegedly dropped off at a bus stop on the main highway. The bus driver had not made it there yet and saved Paulus about 30 minutes. Lorenzo's house was nearby. http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=2256.0 Scared Monkey’s Interview Transcript with Tim Miller - July 24th, 2005 RED: There have been reports that a shallow grave was discovered in the area of Boca Tortuga, on the eastern part of the island. There are also reports that cell-phone calls made by Joran early in the morning came from a location on the eastern side of the island. It seems plausible that thisarea could yield more clues TIM MILLER: We found a site that we feel as though was a possible gravesite. Our thoughts are that Natalee may have been buried in that hole for 1 or 2 days then moved. We have information that the cell phones were possibly being used in that area http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/24/interview-transcript-with-tim-miller-july-24th-2005/ NANCY GRACE Nancy Grace for July 13, 2005, CNNHN Aired July 13, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET PENHAUL: The searchers were at an area called Boca Prim (ph). That`s on the northern side of the island near the national park. It`s an area of soft sand dunes. There`s only one road to get down there. It`s a very rough road. You can really only get there by four-wheel drive. It`s where a dry riverbed meets the ocean. And it`s at that area where this thing that looked like a grave, a hole, about four feet deep and about the length of a body with a mound of sand beside it, was found, Nancy. GRACE: Now, also, on the north end of the island, where they were today, is that where that lighthouse is? PENHAUL: Not really, no. The lighthouse is at the northern tip, at the northwest tip. And this area is really on the northeastern side of the island. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/13/ng.01.html What did the Aruba Park Ranger pick up at Boca Tortuga area? Fabric that matched Natalee’s Top? What ever happened to this material? Why didn’t the media camera man take a close up of what so closely resembled the green fabric of Natalee’s top? One would have thought that they would have zoomed right in to see what had been collected. On Sunday, July 17, 2005 the park rangers found the duct tape with long blonde hair in the Boca Tortuga area of Aruba. A park ranger being video’d walking around picks up a piece of fabric that matches Natalee’s top. The question still remains today, what ever happened to this evidence that was collected? We also need to remember that this material that was found washed ashore following the hurricanes that took place last summer. It is highly possibly that the material washed ashore from another location on the island or from out at sea. View images at: http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/06/18/what-did-the-aruba-park-ranger-pick-up-at-boca-tortuga-area-fabric-that-matched-natalees-top/ 3. COULD NATALE HAVE BEEN MOVED FROM THE SHALLOW GRAVE AND PLACED IN THE LANDFILL ON JUNE 1, 2005. Police Comb Aruba Landfill in Natalee Case Saturday, July 30, 2005 ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Police and volunteers used heavy equipment, shovels and trained dogs Saturday to pick through a landfill where a witness claimed he saw men dumping a female body two days after an Alabama teenager vanished. The landfill is on the southern part of the Dutch Caribbean (search) island, the opposite side from where Natalee Holloway was last seen in the early hours of May 30. The witness claimed he saw the men dumping the body on the afternoon of June 1, said Tim Miller, director of Texas EquuSearch (search), which is coordinating the landfill search. The FBI and Aruban police have questioned the witness, an Aruban man who claimed to be dropping off trash at the time, Miller said. "He said he saw a face, blond hair and a woman's chest, and that the body was dumped and covered," Miller said. The witness could not identify the men but said they were driving a light colored jeep, said Miller, who spoke to the man Friday. Police spokesman Edwin Comenencia (search) said police searched the landfill after receiving the tip in days following Holloway's disappearance, but found nothing. He said the witness recently approached Holloway's family, who asked for another search. http://origin.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,164208,00.html NANCY GRACE Search for Natalee Holloway Aired July 29, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET MANSUR: … But it`s very important to note that the witness on the beach by the Holiday Inn has absolutely no knowledge of the witness over there to the east side of the island by the landfill or dump. They don't know each other, but still they give the same description of the same white pick-up. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html NANCY GRACE Search for Natalee Holloway Aired July 29, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET CANDIOTTI:his same witness claims to have told police that he saw a vehicle and was able to provide a tag number to police. I am told that this is a registered car in Aruba, but I can`t tell you more than that. Police Search Landfill For Natalee Witness Says He Saw Body Dumped There After U.S. Teen Vanished ORANJESTAD, Aruba, July 30, 2005 | by Lloyd de Vries The witness told his brother what he saw soon afterward, and the brother told police, he said. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/31/world/main712950.shtml?source=search_story COULD JUNIOR'S OBSERVATION OF JUNE 1, 2005 HAVE DICTATED NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S REMAINS WERE MOVED ONCE AGAIN ... TO THE OCEAN? NANCY GRACE Suspect Released by Aruban Police; BTK`s Special Privileges Aired April 24, 2006 - 20:00:00 ET GRACE: Well, Dave Holloway, aren`t there logs and isn`t there surveillance in place in Aruba of all the ships that go out of the tiny island, even at night? HOLLOWAY: Well, there is but on one of those nights, I think it was June the 7th or June the 8th, the electricity went out on the island for about two hours so you wonder if that would have been the prime opportunity to do it. Small boats, I don`t think, can be picked up as well as the big ones. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/24/ng.01.html Well I am always impressed to read your work.. and I too believe Natalee was moved 2 times.. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 09, 2009, 07:19:01 PM Thanks Edward.
Your have been missed on the Natalee Holloway forum. Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 09, 2009, 07:37:11 PM HAPPY EASTER MONKEYS
THE OLD TESTAMENT Isaiah 53 - The Ultimate Sacrifice -Prophecy 1 Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? 2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him. 3 He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. 5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. 6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth. 8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away. And who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was stricken. 9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth. 10 Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes [c] his life a guilt offering, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand. 11 After the suffering of his soul, he will see the light of life and be satisfied; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. THE NEW TESTAMENT Luke 23: The Ultimate Sacrifice - Prophecy Fulfilled 1-2 Then they all took Jesus to Pilate and began to bring up charges against him. They said, "We found this man undermining our law and order, forbidding taxes to be paid to Caesar, setting himself up as Messiah-King." 3 Pilate asked him, "Is this true that you're 'King of the Jews'?" "Those are your words, not mine," Jesus replied. 4 Pilate told the high priests and the accompanying crowd, "I find nothing wrong here. He seems harmless enough to me." 5 But they were vehement. "He's stirring up unrest among the people with his teaching, disturbing the peace everywhere, starting in Galilee and now all through Judea. He's a dangerous man, endangering the peace." 6-7 When Pilate heard that, he asked, "So, he's a Galilean?" Realizing that he properly came under Herod's jurisdiction, he passed the buck to Herod, who just happened to be in Jerusalem for a few days. 8-10 Herod was delighted when Jesus showed up. He had wanted for a long time to see him, he'd heard so much about him. He hoped to see him do something spectacular. He peppered him with questions. Jesus didn't answer—not one word. But the high priests and religion scholars were right there, saying their piece, strident and shrill in their accusations. 11-12 Mightily offended, Herod turned on Jesus. His soldiers joined in, taunting and jeering. Then they dressed him up in an elaborate king costume and sent him back to Pilate. That day Herod and Pilate became thick as thieves. Always before they had kept their distance. 13-16 Then Pilate called in the high priests, rulers, and the others and said, "You brought this man to me as a disturber of the peace. I examined him in front of all of you and found there was nothing to your charge. And neither did Herod, for he has sent him back here with a clean bill of health. It's clear that he's done nothing wrong, let alone anything deserving death. I'm going to warn him to watch his step and let him go." 18-20 At that, the crowd went wild: "Kill him! Give us Barabbas!" (Barabbas had been thrown in prison for starting a riot in the city and for murder.) Pilate still wanted to let Jesus go, and so spoke out again. 21 But they kept shouting back, "Crucify! Crucify him!" 22 He tried a third time. "But for what crime? I've found nothing in him deserving death. I'm going to warn him to watch his step and let him go." 23-25 But they kept at it, a shouting mob, demanding that he be crucified. And finally they shouted him down. Pilate caved in and gave them what they wanted. He released the man thrown in prison for rioting and murder, and gave them Jesus to do whatever they wanted. 26-31 As they led him off, they made Simon, a man from Cyrene who happened to be coming in from the countryside, carry the cross behind Jesus. A huge crowd of people followed, along with women weeping and carrying on. At one point Jesus turned to the women and said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, don't cry for me. Cry for yourselves and for your children. The time is coming when they'll say, 'Lucky the women who never conceived! Lucky the wombs that never gave birth! Lucky the breasts that never gave milk!' Then they'll start calling to the mountains, 'Fall down on us!' calling to the hills, 'Cover us up!' If people do these things to a live, green tree, can you imagine what they'll do with deadwood?" 32 Two others, both criminals, were taken along with him for execution. 33 When they got to the place called Skull Hill, they crucified him, along with the criminals, one on his right, the other on his left. 34-35 Jesus prayed, "Father, forgive them; they don't know what they're doing." Dividing up his clothes, they threw dice for them. The people stood there staring at Jesus, and the ringleaders made faces, taunting, "He saved others. Let's see him save himself! The Messiah of God—ha! The Chosen—ha!" 36-37 The soldiers also came up and poked fun at him, making a game of it. They toasted him with sour wine: "So you're King of the Jews! Save yourself!" 38 Printed over him was a sign: this is the king of the jews. 39 One of the criminals hanging alongside cursed him: "Some Messiah you are! Save yourself! Save us!" 40-41 But the other one made him shut up: "Have you no fear of God? You're getting the same as him. We deserve this, but not him—he did nothing to deserve this." 42 Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you enter your kingdom." 43 He said, "Don't worry, I will. Today you will join me in paradise." 44-46 By now it was noon. The whole earth became dark, the darkness lasting three hours—a total blackout. The Temple curtain split right down the middle. Jesus called loudly, "Father, I place my life in your hands!" Then he breathed his last. 47 When the captain there saw what happened, he honored God: "This man was innocent! A good man, and innocent!" 48-49 All who had come around as spectators to watch the show, when they saw what actually happened, were overcome with grief and headed home. Those who knew Jesus well, along with the women who had followed him from Galilee, stood at a respectful distance and kept vigil. 50-54 There was a man by the name of Joseph, a member of the Jewish High Council, a man of good heart and good character. He had not gone along with the plans and actions of the council. His hometown was the Jewish village of Arimathea. He lived in alert expectation of the kingdom of God. He went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Taking him down, he wrapped him in a linen shroud and placed him in a tomb chiseled into the rock, a tomb never yet used. It was the day before Sabbath, the Sabbath just about to begin. 55-56 The women who had been companions of Jesus from Galilee followed along. They saw the tomb where Jesus' body was placed. Then they went back to prepare burial spices and perfumes. They rested quietly on the Sabbath, as commanded. THE EASTER STORY - THE GRAVE COULD NOT HOLD HIM HE IS RISEN - HE IS RISEN INDEED!! Luke 24: 1-8 1-3 At the crack of dawn on Sunday, the women came to the tomb carrying the burial spices they had prepared. They found the entrance stone rolled back from the tomb, so they walked in. But once inside, they couldn't find the body of the Master Jesus. 4-8 They were puzzled, wondering what to make of this. Then, out of nowhere it seemed, two men, light cascading over them, stood there. The women were awestruck and bowed down in worship. The men said, "Why are you looking for the Living One in a cemetery? He is not here, but raised up. Remember how he told you when you were still back in Galilee that he had to be handed over to sinners, be killed on a cross, and in three days rise up?" Then they remembered Jesus' words. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 09, 2009, 07:57:42 PM THE EASTER MESSAGE
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Edward on April 09, 2009, 07:58:20 PM I have been zooming in and out reading here, But as there are a couple of new missing in California. But I am trying to stay with Natalee and all of you through reading ..
I had theorized that there was a possibility Natalee was removed from the landfill after Dave got kicked out. That would be the second time to move her and I think they did it in a steel or plastic barrel. When Persistence did not find a barrel I discounted it, but then came Marcos came along I thought ..Yes.. This is what happened.. The refinery has the barrels and so does the landfill. The refinery for finished product as they produce paint thinner and such.. The landfill for Waste products not allowed in landfills. That type of barrel could go on a pallet with other barrels and shipped off to other places.. Like, Nicaragua. It was just a thought.. But I think this is how Marcos received the body if he is legit. Or a barrel could easy on a boat and dropped off in deep water too. A few years ago I had posted a photo taken by a tourist in Aruba and they had posted it on the Internet as one of there many travel photos in Aruba. In front of there vehicle was a pickup with a chevron blue barrel on its flat bed rear end, driving down the street in Aruba.. A sealed steel container ! How convenient is that ? Anyways nothing ever came of it and people ignored it.. I deleted the photo on my computer and lost it in the hundreds of thousands of postings we have done here and at bfn .. I posted it at both sites. Just an easy way to pack a body at the landfill and move it around Aruba and not be noticed ..That's all. This is not the photo.. But it is the kind of barrel as they have removable lids and once the lid is on a steel strap locks it air tight, not even a dog would be able to smell the content. (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/137/342134626_25c490c384.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Kermit on April 09, 2009, 08:06:28 PM tick....tock IDSTLOU
LIE AFTER LIE AFTER LIE INTENTIONALLY TO DECEIVE 43 on: Today at 10:31:10 AMldstlou kermit is saying in one breath the family has Natalee's body and is hiding that fact from the world. Idstlou wrote: " oh wait!! One more!! I know I misread the posts originally and thought it said the family had Natalee's body. I have to go back and reread so I know why originally I assumed that. I have been told over and over and over about that. It was not a lie, I made a mistake and YES! I corrected it to Jug!!! After that I just copied and pasted directly from here all info via e-mail so I would not get it wrong again /http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4573.180 MIS-READ AND THEN CONTINUED MIS-READING AND LYING Idstlou said: "so you were secret service...and you "took down" the president you were working for? OTHER POSTERS TRIED TO HELP YOU WITH YOUR READING DISABILITY Maggie said: "Idstlou, Give it up. IMO your questions about which president and how are none of your business and have nothing to do with Natalee" Wreck said: "Kermit never claimed herself to be FBI" klassend said: "Kermit has said they won't give you any more personal information so please quit asking now that she has answered. BUT YOU CONTINUED AND NEVER CORRECTED TO JUG TWITTY YOUR FIRST LIE ABOUT ME: Idstlou said: It also appears to me part of the credibility stems from her taking down a president and working beside 2 other presidents. Why do you want personal information on Kermit? http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.420 Idstlou "Why do you want personal information on Kermit?" http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.420 Reply #376 on: Today at 09:33:12 AM [/b] ldstlou[/b] If I am wrong, I apologize, because then indeed I have been mislead by those trying to discredit you.[/b] YOU WERE WRONG THEN AND YOU ARE WRONG NOW - HOWEVER, IT IS NOT OTHERS THAT ARE MISLEADING YOU - YOU ADMIT YOUR LIES AND YET YOU CONTINUED AND STILL CONTINUE TO LIE ABOUT ME AND ABOUT OTHERS! Truth is by your own words, you show everyone who you really are! A slug. Red Administrator Scared Monkey Offline Posts: 2035 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #802 2/21/08 - « Reply #335 on: February 22, 2009, 08:30:16 PM » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey Monkeys, Spoke with Beth today. Nothing of any pressing news, we just had not chatted in a while and it was great to do some catch up with her. However, I took the opportunity to ask Beth a couple of questions that she was kind enough to answer. Question: Beth, this may come as a strange question but in light of some people writing misrepresentations regarding stuff that SM has done ... has Scared Monkeys on the FP or in the forum ever made comments, posts or done anything that would have upset you that you were angered or disagreed with? Answer: Red, are you kidding. Scared Monkeys has done so much good from the beginning how could you even ask that. Are you crazy! My own comment ... its also not like the family has specifically asked for help regarding certain things since 2005. Whether it be advice, news updates, research or translations. The fact of the matter is folks that there has been so much done for Natalee's family behind the scenes that goes unsaid, that they all know and have a direct line if they want to ask a question. They do not rely on third party discussion. Generally speaking over the years, family members have contacted us, not the other way around. I do not believe in burdening people who have lost so much. The truth of the matter is that SM, Red personally, has a a relationship with members of Natalee's family and nothing anyone tries to do, say or lie about will change that fact. We have fought in the trenches together and have bonds outside of the internet and this case. There is nothing that internet trouble makers can do to break up friendships that exist in the real world. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4574.320 -------------------- Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Kermit on April 09, 2009, 08:10:36 PM (http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9817/datelinearubaauthorisitng0.jpg)
Kyle said: "Dec 30th dive. Present for the Jan 7th dive were: Persistence crew, 3 Aruban divers. I know Richardson for a fact knew about the samples. Mos, I don't know if he ever saw anything for certain. I have no way to confirm or deny his involvement. or Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan. I'll try to get a list of all people that were ever on the boat and when they were there. This included the meeting on the morning of Dec 30th which is briefly shown on Dateline, where everyone is hovering around my shoulder including Mos and Richardson. This is when they're viewing the 1st ROV video from the 29th dive. Kyle said: We later (Jan 7th) found the blue fabric under that sand berm where I theorized a skirt would be found based on the Dec 29th and 30th dives. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: blah on April 09, 2009, 08:28:43 PM yanno, I'm not sure what to make of the BoycottArubaBlogspot comments. There ARE some amazing comments and what I would call incredible coincidences. I'm not sure that the author has Kyle's melodic and poetic script - As Anna might say. But I can tell you that the person does possess - MOTIVATION - tons of comments by the same person. There's some reason to the madness. LOTS OF TIME ON THEIR HANDS - it takes time to type out so many comments and have them in and out of line with so much we know now. Sprinkle in some true, but not enough to lead to anyone person. Lots of down time at sea. EXCELLENT TYPIST and SPELLER - (of course this can be done with firefox or even a simple spell checker) This person has use of nautical terms and navigation. Most here do not possess those attributes. In fact most people alive don't possess those attributes and most of the worlds population lives by the sea or ocean. Whom ever it is - is a terrific typist. Kyle is a terrific typist and outside of the email I posted from him yesterday (two spelling mistakes in that email) - I don't think I have ever seen him make a spelling mistake. I don't believe Kyle uses spell check and just is able to do it all on his own. His typing skills are as good as Tylergals. Infinite monkey theorem The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will almost surely type a given text, such as the complete works of William Shakespeare. In this context, "almost surely" is a mathematical term with a precise meaning, and the "monkey" is not an actual monkey; rather, it is a metaphor for an abstract device that produces a random sequence of letters ad infinitum. The theorem illustrates the perils of reasoning about infinity by imagining a vast but finite number, and vice versa. The probability of a monkey typing a given string of text exactly, as long as, for example, Shakespeare's Hamlet, is so tiny that, were the experiment conducted, the chance of it actually occurring during a span of time of the order of the age of the universe is minuscule but not zero. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 09, 2009, 08:31:39 PM I have been zooming in and out reading here, But as there are a couple of new missing in California. But I am trying to stay with Natalee and all of you through reading .. I had theorized that there was a possibility Natalee was removed from the landfill after Dave got kicked out. That would be the second time to move her and I think they did it in a steel or plastic barrel. When Persistence did not find a barrel I discounted it, but then came Marcos came along I thought ..Yes.. This is what happened.. The refinery has the barrels and so does the landfill. The refinery for finished product as they produce paint thinner and such.. The landfill for Waste products not allowed in landfills. That type of barrel could go on a pallet with other barrels and shipped off to other places.. Like, Nicaragua. It was just a thought.. But I think this is how Marcos received the body if he is legit. Or a barrel could easy on a boat and dropped off in deep water too. A few years ago I had posted a photo taken by a tourist in Aruba and they had posted it on the Internet as one of there many travel photos in Aruba. In front of there vehicle was a pickup with a chevron blue barrel on its flat bed rear end, driving down the street in Aruba.. A sealed steel container ! How convenient is that ? Anyways nothing ever came of it and people ignored it.. I deleted the photo on my computer and lost it in the hundreds of thousands of postings we have done here and at bfn .. I posted it at both sites. Just an easy way to pack a body at the landfill and move it around Aruba and not be noticed ..That's all. This is not the photo.. But it is the kind of barrel as they have removable lids and once the lid is on a steel strap locks it air tight, not even a dog would be able to smell the content. (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/137/342134626_25c490c384.jpg) Edward I contend that Natalee Holloway's body was removed from the landfill following his brother reporting the observation to authorities on June 3, 2005. In other ... words Natalee Holloway's body had been removed prior to Junior approaching the family almost two months later. I suspect that Junior's observation is the reason that during the search of the landfill by Tim Miller, Dave Holloway, family members, Red and others at the end of July, 2005 ... a plastic child's pool was found in the area specified by Junior but no Natalee. Junior had claimed that Natalee's body had been covered by this pool. Janet ++++++ NANCY GRACE Nancy Grace for August 3, 2005, CNNHN Aired August 3, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET GRACE: And Jossy, have you heard any information regarding a search for one of those little kiddie pools? MANSUR: They have been searching for that. They have found one, and they`re concentrating on that area where this witness says that when they dumped the body, they covered it with some other bags and then put this little pool on it. GRACE: OK, I`m sorry. I didn`t hear that. Repeat, Jossy. MANSUR: They are searching where -- they did find this -- one of these pools, this pool, and they have been searching in that specific area because we have to remember that this garbage has been moved about quite a bit from that day on by big tractors and front-end loaders and whatever. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/03/ng.01.html Police Comb Aruba Landfill in Natalee Case Saturday, July 30, 2005 Police spokesman Edwin Comenencia (search) said police searched the landfill after receiving the tip in days following Holloway's disappearance, but found nothing. He said the witness recently approached Holloway's family, who asked for another search. http://origin.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,164208,00.html Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Edward on April 09, 2009, 08:35:50 PM My Easter note to ALL of you..
If you do not believe in God or a creator please read past this post. It is said that because Jesus died on the cross, that his blood was shed and that WE have been forgiven for our sins.. But what was the Sin ? The Sin was not standing up. Nobody stood up for Jesus. They allowed him to be crucified. When even though 2 kings tried to not punish him. The People of that time were afraid to stand up to the high priests, they were afraid they to would be persecuted. They had great fear for themselves and there families.. Therefore The work of God is to stand up against evil, against those who will attack the peaceful and the innocent. On this Easter and after almost 4 years ALL of you HAVE stood up against great Evil. You have stood up for Natalee and many other missing or murdered people listed in these forums. You have done the research and some have even gone out and searched. You have given your time and monetary resources to see Justice and Goodness prevail. You have taken risk with no concern for yourself. You are doing Gods work "Whatever you perceive that to be" God Bless All of you and everyone who takes a stand for Truth and Justice in all of these cases of people being hurt by Evil. This is a battle of Good versus Evil. It will always exist. It is has always been an honor for me to stand with ALL of you in this battle. My kids and friends do not understand my passion for this work .. It pays nothing. I do and that is all that matters. God Bless and carry on. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Rob on April 09, 2009, 08:36:38 PM Question: Beth, this may come as a strange question but in light of some people writing misrepresentations regarding stuff that SM has done ... has Scared Monkeys on the FP or in the forum ever made comments, posts or done anything that would have upset you that you were angered or disagreed with? Answer: Red, are you kidding. Scared Monkeys has done so much good from the beginning how could you even ask that. Are you crazy! and now that the pool of nut balls, dutch bags and the "reading is not so fundamental" crowd has been weeded down were doing soooo much better!!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Edward on April 09, 2009, 08:51:13 PM I have been zooming in and out reading here, But as there are a couple of new missing in California. But I am trying to stay with Natalee and all of you through reading .. I had theorized that there was a possibility Natalee was removed from the landfill after Dave got kicked out. That would be the second time to move her and I think they did it in a steel or plastic barrel. When Persistence did not find a barrel I discounted it, but then came Marcos came along I thought ..Yes.. This is what happened.. The refinery has the barrels and so does the landfill. The refinery for finished product as they produce paint thinner and such.. The landfill for Waste products not allowed in landfills. That type of barrel could go on a pallet with other barrels and shipped off to other places.. Like, Nicaragua. It was just a thought.. But I think this is how Marcos received the body if he is legit. Or a barrel could easy on a boat and dropped off in deep water too. A few years ago I had posted a photo taken by a tourist in Aruba and they had posted it on the Internet as one of there many travel photos in Aruba. In front of there vehicle was a pickup with a chevron blue barrel on its flat bed rear end, driving down the street in Aruba.. A sealed steel container ! How convenient is that ? Anyways nothing ever came of it and people ignored it.. I deleted the photo on my computer and lost it in the hundreds of thousands of postings we have done here and at bfn .. I posted it at both sites. Just an easy way to pack a body at the landfill and move it around Aruba and not be noticed ..That's all. This is not the photo.. But it is the kind of barrel as they have removable lids and once the lid is on a steel strap locks it air tight, not even a dog would be able to smell the content. (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/137/342134626_25c490c384.jpg) Edward I contend that Natalee Holloway's body was removed from the landfill following his brother reporting the observation to authorities on June 3, 2005. In other ... words Natalee Holloway's body had been removed prior to Junior approaching the family almost two months later. I suspect that Junior's observation is the reason that during the search of the landfill by Tim Miller, Dave Holloway, family members, Red and others at the end of July, 2005 ... a plastic child's pool was found in the area specified by Junior but no Natalee. Junior had claimed that Natalee's body had been covered by this pool. Janet ++++++ NANCY GRACE Nancy Grace for August 3, 2005, CNNHN Aired August 3, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET GRACE: And Jossy, have you heard any information regarding a search for one of those little kiddie pools? MANSUR: They have been searching for that. They have found one, and they`re concentrating on that area where this witness says that when they dumped the body, they covered it with some other bags and then put this little pool on it. GRACE: OK, I`m sorry. I didn`t hear that. Repeat, Jossy. MANSUR: They are searching where -- they did find this -- one of these pools, this pool, and they have been searching in that specific area because we have to remember that this garbage has been moved about quite a bit from that day on by big tractors and front-end loaders and whatever. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/03/ng.01.html Police Comb Aruba Landfill in Natalee Case Saturday, July 30, 2005 Police spokesman Edwin Comenencia (search) said police searched the landfill after receiving the tip in days following Holloway's disappearance, but found nothing. He said the witness recently approached Holloway's family, who asked for another search. http://origin.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,164208,00.html I can agree with you but I would still consider the container used for removal. You can see why there would be no fish trap. The body would be sealed in a container and this same container could be put on almost any large boat without bringing any attention to it. jmho Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 09, 2009, 09:12:00 PM I can agree with you but I would still consider the container used for removal. You can see why there would be no fish trap. The body would be sealed in a container and this same container could be put on almost any large boat without bringing any attention to it. jmho .... and Kyle Kingman's own words are a none issue ... words that imply that Natalee Holloway's remains may have been placed in that trap ... words that imply that John Silvetti betrayed Natalee ... betrayed the family and ... betrayed those who prayfully and monetarily supported the Persistence undertaking? ::MonkeyConfused:: Janet ++++++ KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS Kyle Kingman: ... I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains. Kyle Kingman: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 09, 2009, 09:27:30 PM http://www.awe24.com/_moblog/externalInterface/extFrame.php?id=476&mId=4
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Edward on April 09, 2009, 09:42:50 PM I can agree with you but I would still consider the container used for removal. You can see why there would be no fish trap. The body would be sealed in a container and this same container could be put on almost any large boat without bringing any attention to it. jmho .... and Kyle Kingman's own words are a none issue ... words that imply that Natalee Holloway's remains may have been placed in that trap ... words that imply that John Silvetti betrayed Natalee ... betrayed the family and ... betrayed those who prayfully and monetarily supported the Persistence undertaking? ::MonkeyConfused:: Janet ++++++ KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS Kyle Kingman: ... I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains. Kyle Kingman: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best. I wont discount him.. But he clearly says "May Have" and.. It may have. They ALE did not allow Kyle or Tim or the News Teams to view and photograph the items retrieved from the trap on the deck of the Persistence. They bagged the items underwater brought them up and hauled ass in a speed boat, those items have never been seen again.. Or am I wrong and we have photos of these items on the deck of the Persistence and I have just missed viewing them ? I am just sayin, I know a con when I see one.. It appears to me that there were 2 agendas for John, he accomplished one for business people on Aruba and attempted to satisfy the other for Dave. Or at least that is the way it appears to me. jmho Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 09, 2009, 09:53:41 PM THE EASTER MESSAGE John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. http://www.youtube.com/v/GBLXcrFndm0&hl=en&fs=1 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: ohcanada on April 09, 2009, 09:55:33 PM goodevening monkeys
Has there ever been a post of Freddies statement or for that matter anything of his whereabouts the night natalee went missing i ask this because i believe on the devries tapes doesnt joran say the guy who helped him HASNT been questioned????????? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 09, 2009, 10:01:56 PM Edward
We have to agree to disagree friend. When I consider Kyle Kingman's qualifications and his own words regarding his observations on board the Persistence ... I no longer speculate. I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words submitted to the Natalee's Freebird site. Janet ++++++++ KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS Kyle Kingman: Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere. We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 09, 2009, 10:05:44 PM BBL Monkeys..... OK....your thread is waiting for you. ::MonkeyWink:: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4838.new#new Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 09, 2009, 10:07:12 PM THE EASTER MESSAGE John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. http://www.youtube.com/v/GBLXcrFndm0&hl=en&fs=1 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 09, 2009, 10:07:37 PM THE EASTER MESSAGE John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. http://www.youtube.com/v/GBLXcrFndm0&hl=en&fs=1 Thank you texasmom. I love ya. Hugs Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 09, 2009, 10:11:38 PM goodevening monkeys Has there ever been a post of Freddies statement or for that matter anything of his whereabouts the night natalee went missing i ask this because i believe on the devries tapes doesnt joran say the guy who helped him HASNT been questioned????????? We know that Freddy was questioned about or taken into custody about photographing a young girl....not related to the case, if I recall correctly (iirc). Many have questioned his involvement here, but to my knowledge, the photography case was it. Perhaps someone else can give more info. (there may be a thread here, I will have to look for, ohcanada.) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: klaasend on April 09, 2009, 10:12:04 PM goodevening monkeys Has there ever been a post of Freddies statement or for that matter anything of his whereabouts the night natalee went missing i ask this because i believe on the devries tapes doesnt joran say the guy who helped him HASNT been questioned????????? Freddy has been questioned, all of Joran's normal friends have been questioned. Joran is FOS and lies so this was likely a lie as well. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: klaasend on April 09, 2009, 10:14:58 PM Joran talks about Freddy's statement in his book:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2888.0 This is a searchable list of the statements that the Dr. Phil attorneys have requested from Deepak: http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/nhcase-statements.xls Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: klaasend on April 09, 2009, 10:16:52 PM Joran talks about Freddy's statement in his book: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2888.0 This is a searchable list of the statements that the Dr. Phil attorneys have requested from Deepak: http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/nhcase-statements.xls (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/FreddyStatements.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 09, 2009, 10:20:13 PM Thanks, Klaas. The only other person who pointed to Freddy was the NY poster, who's name escapes me now, that Sharon re-posted a few days back. (she only posted a few days and dropped off)
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 09, 2009, 10:21:11 PM goodevening monkeys Has there ever been a post of Freddies statement or for that matter anything of his whereabouts the night natalee went missing i ask this because i believe on the devries tapes doesnt joran say the guy who helped him HASNT been questioned????????? Freddy Arambatzis Witness Statement De Zaak Natalee Holloway June 12, 2005 Monday afternoon on the 30th, Joran came to my house. He told me that the previous day, Sunday, he had befriended a girl in the Holiday Inn casino and that she had invited him to come to Carlos and Charlies that evening. He went and they danced and drank together. After that he, Deepak Satish and the girl drove off. Her friends saw that. The drove in the direction of the Lighthouse; a white car was behind them and most likely wanted to race Deepak. But that is something Deepak would never do. Joran told me that he fingered and had french kissed the girl while they were driving. He did not say that he had had sex with her. They drove to the Lighthouse, she wanted to see sharks. But Deepak only drove up to the Lighthouse because his car is very low to the ground and cannot drive up to the North side of Aruba. The girl had said to Joran that if Deepak and Satish would have lived in her town, they would be slaves. After that they drove to the hotel. When the girl had pushed open the door of the car, she fell to the ground. Joran wanted to help her but she shoved him away. The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that THE FOUR OF THEM drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that THEY had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish. Translation Credit: Rammstein Joran van der Sloot De Zaak Natalee Holloway Page 160/161 After Freddy's second statement on June 13th at 18:30, in which he keeps insisting that I told him the first story already on May 30th, the police confront us as best friends with each other. Some further statements follow after that. In the end Freddy states in his 6th and 7th statements (verbatim reports) that I have told him that Natalee went unconscious several times and did not regain consciousness at a certain moment, that I tried to wake her up by shaking her but that but this also did not work. Unofficial Engish translation Paulus van der Sloot Witness Statement June 13, 2005 I believed the story that Joran, Deepak and Satish told, until Joran changed his statement. After that Freddy came to us and told us a different story. Joran had gone with the girl to the beach. (With Freddy is meant the witness Freddy ZEDAN; comment TROMP). Freddy had told this story shortly after he was interviewed by the police. He had called my wife and had said that he found it important to tell the truth. After that he came over to us and he first talked to my wife. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 09, 2009, 10:23:35 PM goodevening monkeys Has there ever been a post of Freddies statement or for that matter anything of his whereabouts the night natalee went missing i ask this because i believe on the devries tapes doesnt joran say the guy who helped him HASNT been questioned????????? We know that Freddy was questioned about or taken into custody about photographing a young girl....not related to the case, if I recall correctly (iirc). Many have questioned his involvement here, but to my knowledge, the photography case was it. Perhaps someone else can give more info. (there may be a thread here, I will have to look for, ohcanada.) Aruba Suspects Accused of Taking Sex Photos of Another Girl Thursday, September 01, 2005 The Kalpoe brothers were released July 4 and rearrested last week with a friend of the three young men, Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis (search), 21. Zedan-Arambatzis, who is not suspected of involvement in the Holloway case, is accused of taking photos of a minor female in "tempting poses" and of showing the photos to other people, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia. He is also suspected of having unspecified "physical contact" with the girl, she said. The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incident, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, Emerencia said. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168233,00. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: ohcanada on April 09, 2009, 10:24:22 PM thankyou 2njsons_mom
WOW klaassend you are extremely fast an good thanx Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 09, 2009, 10:24:27 PM Joran talks about Freddy's statement in his book: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2888.0 This is a searchable list of the statements that the Dr. Phil attorneys have requested from Deepak: http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/nhcase-statements.xls Thank you Klaas. Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: San on April 09, 2009, 10:30:02 PM Thanks, Klaas. The only other person who pointed to Freddy was the NY poster, who's name escapes me now, that Sharon re-posted a few days back. (she only posted a few days and dropped off) Was it Tony. Deepak stated in the police car transcript that "Freddy needs to tell the truth". Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: ohcanada on April 09, 2009, 10:30:11 PM thankyou tamikosmom
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: ohcanada on April 09, 2009, 10:34:47 PM WOW thats alot of stuff
gonna take while to read BUT...from what ive already read HE...freddie ...doesnt say what ..he was doing????? that night gotta read and digest thanx to all Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: San on April 09, 2009, 10:36:37 PM WOW thats alot of stuff gonna take while to read BUT...from what ive already read HE...freddie ...doesnt say what ..he was doing????? that night gotta read and digest thanx to all Let's not forget that Art Wood said Paulus hired a lawyer for Freddy the first week. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 09, 2009, 10:38:07 PM thankyou tamikosmom You are welcome fellow Canuck. ::MonkeyTongue:: Janet +++++ Kalpoe v. McGraw, et al. Case Number: BC3 63401 Description: witness statement Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis Date: 12 June 2005 / 11:05 Pages: 5 Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Juan Boezem Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: ohcanada on April 09, 2009, 10:42:09 PM thanx folks
goodnight Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 09, 2009, 10:44:05 PM Thanks, Klaas. The only other person who pointed to Freddy was the NY poster, who's name escapes me now, that Sharon re-posted a few days back. (she only posted a few days and dropped off) Was it Tony. Deepak stated in the police car transcript that "Freddy needs to tell the truth". Klaasend Lively Case Discussion #497 7/18 - 7/19/2006 « Reply #621 on: July 19, 2006, 09:29:03 PM » Police car transcript from June 29, 2005 Deepak: How does it feel Joran? Joran: (with raised voice) You let my father be arrested, friend. Deepak: (very calm) That's what I say. How does it feel? Joran: You know no good that my father has nothing to do [with this}. I have read your statements, friend. You two are lying shit. (then very calmly) You know what happened with that girl. If you don't know it, then nothing happened. (then angrily) So, fxxx you. What do you say, that Freddy has to be arrested? Deepak: That Freddy has to tell the truth. Joran: You know very well that Freddy has told the truth. Satish: You will see, you will see. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=87.msg19053#msg19053 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 09, 2009, 10:57:15 PM Thanks, Klaas. The only other person who pointed to Freddy was the NY poster, who's name escapes me now, that Sharon re-posted a few days back. (she only posted a few days and dropped off) Was it Tony. Deepak stated in the police car transcript that "Freddy needs to tell the truth". I remember Tony, but I was thinking of this: *** REMINDER *** JORAN DID IT **** RonnieNY87 Scared Monkey Offline Posts: 3 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #783 12/6/08 - « Reply #736 on: Today at 02:02:31 AM » Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello everyone! I've been a board lurker for over a year now, and I've followed this case from the very beginning. So many of you are SO intelligent, and I can't believe all the information you guys have been able to retrieve over the years. It's amazing that now, after all of these years, so many facts that we've all known all along are just starting to come out now. Absolutely unbelievable and ridiculous. Anyway, the main reason I began following this story was because I had known Joran, not very well, but we met while I was on vacation in Aruba, October of 04. I was 16 at the time, he claimed to be 18. I had gone with my parents and 2 friends of mine (female friends). Nothing serious went on, we met him by the pool of our hotel (he was with 1 male friend the first time we met them) and after that he kept coming by the hotel for the remainder of our stay there and would hang out with us. The only thing he had really lied about was his age, the rest seemed to be pretty truthful (for example, he did tell us he lived in Aruba, he didn't lie about that). But even then, we did find something a little bit strange about him. We kept referring to him as the weird kid, because of the way he acted. He spent a lot of time talking about alcohol and pot (I live in NY, so for pot to be spoken about so openly was strange). He asked us quite a few times if we wanted to smoke with him, but we told him no, he seemed to respect that. The day we were leaving, we exchanged screen names to "keep in touch." I was the only one out of my friends who kept in contact with him, but not too often. He was my online "poker buddy." Went on web cam a couple of times. After a while he started trying to talk dirty, but I shot that down real quick. The last time we spoke on the messenger before Natalee's disappearance was April 05.. So you'd imagine my surprise when in May, I heard he was a suspect in her disappearance. It definitely gave me the chills, knowing this was a person I hung out with only 7 months before. I couldn't believe at first that he was responsible, because like I said, besides his constant talk of drugs/alcohol, he wasn't really disrespectful to any of us. He knew we were all too young to go to the clubs/bars so he never really pressed that issue.. Like I said, the only thing he tried to do was get us to smoke pot with him, but we declined every time. I was shocked to learn that he had lied to us about his age, what was the point? If he was 17 in May 05, that would mean he would of been the same age as us, so why lie? The more and more I heard about the story, the more and more I realized he was guilty. We spoke on messenger one more time after he was named a prime suspect. I had asked him why he lied about his age, he said he was trying to impress us and also that he could get in trouble for drinking underage so he had to lie to everyone he met about his age. I then had asked him if it was true, what he did. He made a strange comment about the truth coming out someday. At the time, I copied the entire conversation and sent it to Dave. I knew it really wouldn't of done much, but I figured that comment he made alone meant something. That was the last conversation I've ever had with Joran. I feel for Natalee and her family and friends, because it really could of happened to anyone. The jerks who say that she shouldn't of gotten drunk, shouldn't of left the bar with a guy she didn't know, they are ridiculous. I believe Joran did meet Natalee days before Carlos & Charlies, and I believe he probably showed her the same kind of respect he showed me and my friends, and I believe he was as nice to her as he was to us. This probably made her trust him a little bit, especially when youre drunk you will trust anyone whose being nice to you. Do I believe he had it in him to actually murder her? No.. Not from what I knew of him. Do I believe he put something in her drink and probably raped her? Absolutely.. They were probably smoking pot in Deepaks car also. I believe she died somehow while with him, he called Paulus for help, and the cover up began. As for Deepak and Satish? I'm not so sure.. I really don't believe they are involved all that much. I believe they knew what happened to her, and they should be punished for not coming forward with their information. But I don't believe they were there when she died. Just my opinion though. Anyway, sorry for the long post, just wanted to share my story and experience with Joran Van Der Sloot. Keep up the good investigative work, monkeys! =] Ronnie Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 09, 2009, 11:10:56 PM I looked at that photobucket that all of those anti-Kermit sites have been having such a big
laugh about. They are claiming that the person in the photo with Bill Clinton and the person who owns the photobucket are one in the same as I read it. It just can't be. The girl on the horse is much younger than the woman in the Clinton photo. I think they have just invented another lie to suit their agenda. Correct me if I'm wrong. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Kermit on April 09, 2009, 11:24:56 PM (http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7725/scan0003blm.th.jpg)
Keep on lying Sam. You and the rest of your gang. FOOLS! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Kermit on April 09, 2009, 11:25:44 PM (http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6164/scan0002qih.jpg)
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: oldiebutgoodie on April 09, 2009, 11:31:57 PM I looked at that photobucket that all of those anti-Kermit sites have been having such a big laugh about. They are claiming that the person in the photo with Bill Clinton and the person who owns the photobucket are one in the same as I read it. It just can't be. The girl on the horse is much younger than the woman in the Clinton photo. I think they have just invented another lie to suit their agenda. Correct me if I'm wrong. Just my .02, but I don't think ol' Kermit is a cigar-smoker. Ribit. ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 09, 2009, 11:47:30 PM (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg) Truth & Justice for Natalee! It's all about this.... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Artcolley on April 09, 2009, 11:47:37 PM (http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7725/scan0003blm.th.jpg) Keep on lying Sam. You and the rest of your gang. FOOLS! Sam Lies?????? Oh, tell me it ain't so! All this time I thought she was a sweet little old lady that everyone picked on. ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 10, 2009, 12:00:05 AM I cannot comprehend the level of depravity that some Gold Monkeys have stoop in an attempt to dispicably discredit Kermit and Keepthefaith for daring to expose actions that further the Aruban coverup agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005 ... actions that denied a family the opportunity to bring their beloved home to rest on American soil.
I have privilege private information regarding some Gold Monkeys. However ... even now ... I would never use that private information for any reason other than what was intended when it was given to me. My heart is heavy. Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 10, 2009, 12:09:59 AM I cannot comprehend the level of depravity that some Gold Monkeys have stoop in an attempt to dispicably discredit Kermit and Keepthefaith for daring to expose actions that further the Aruban coverup agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005 ... actions that denied a family the opportunity to bring their beloved home to rest on American soil. I have privilege private information regarding some Gold Monkeys. However ... even now ... I would never use that private information for any reason other than what was intended when it was given to me. My heart is heavy. Janet The level that they and others have lowered themselves to is sickening IMO. ::MonkeyNoNo:: For KTF.... (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p7782.gif) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 10, 2009, 12:13:35 AM Good Night Monkeys!! Good Night Zookeepers!!
Janet 9:15 PM Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 10, 2009, 12:15:31 AM My heart is heavy too, Janet. ::MonkeyWaa::
I miss KTF too, TM. ::MonkeyWaa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 10, 2009, 12:19:09 AM (http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7725/scan0003blm.th.jpg) Keep on lying Sam. You and the rest of your gang. FOOLS! Sam Lies?????? Oh, tell me it ain't so! All this time I thought she was a sweet little old lady that everyone picked on. ::MonkeyCool:: She is a wolf in sheep's clothing. You know what they say about those she-wolves. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Artcolley on April 10, 2009, 12:21:11 AM (http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7725/scan0003blm.th.jpg) Keep on lying Sam. You and the rest of your gang. FOOLS! Sam Lies?????? Oh, tell me it ain't so! All this time I thought she was a sweet little old lady that everyone picked on. ::MonkeyCool:: She is a wolf in sheep's clothing. You know what they say about those she-wolves. Yes, I do! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 10, 2009, 12:25:51 AM Good Night Monkeys!! Good Night Zookeepers!! Janet 9:15 PM Good Night Janet! ::MonkeyCool:: Don't be sad, it makes me sad too. Love and (((hugs))), tm To be sure you leave with a smile..... (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 10, 2009, 12:55:03 AM Good Evening Monkey's............ ::MonkeyShocked::
CYBER-STALKING IS CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR TICK-TOCK-TICK-TOCK-TICK-TOCK-TICK-TOCK Those who are partaking in it,and or are associated with it.... ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 10, 2009, 12:57:17 AM I was busy trying to figure out how to fry Gizzards not fish...... ::MonkeyHaHa::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 10, 2009, 01:02:16 AM I was busy trying to figure out how to fry Gizzards not fish...... ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 10, 2009, 01:05:30 AM I was busy trying to figure out how to fry Gizzards not fish...... ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink:: I see you guys figured out they might have went down there for OIL... ::MonkeyLaugh:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 10, 2009, 01:10:05 AM tick....tock IDSTLOU LIE AFTER LIE AFTER LIE INTENTIONALLY TO DECEIVE 43 on: Today at 10:31:10 AMldstlou kermit is saying in one breath the family has Natalee's body and is hiding that fact from the world. Idstlou wrote: " oh wait!! One more!! I know I misread the posts originally and thought it said the family had Natalee's body. I have to go back and reread so I know why originally I assumed that. I have been told over and over and over about that. It was not a lie, I made a mistake and YES! I corrected it to Jug!!! After that I just copied and pasted directly from here all info via e-mail so I would not get it wrong again /http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4573.180 MIS-READ AND THEN CONTINUED MIS-READING AND LYING Idstlou said: "so you were secret service...and you "took down" the president you were working for? OTHER POSTERS TRIED TO HELP YOU WITH YOUR READING DISABILITY Maggie said: "Idstlou, Give it up. IMO your questions about which president and how are none of your business and have nothing to do with Natalee" Wreck said: "Kermit never claimed herself to be FBI" klassend said: "Kermit has said they won't give you any more personal information so please quit asking now that she has answered. BUT YOU CONTINUED AND NEVER CORRECTED TO JUG TWITTY YOUR FIRST LIE ABOUT ME: Idstlou said: It also appears to me part of the credibility stems from her taking down a president and working beside 2 other presidents. Why do you want personal information on Kermit? http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.420 Idstlou "Why do you want personal information on Kermit?" http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.420 Reply #376 on: Today at 09:33:12 AM [/b] ldstlou[/b] If I am wrong, I apologize, because then indeed I have been mislead by those trying to discredit you.[/b] YOU WERE WRONG THEN AND YOU ARE WRONG NOW - HOWEVER, IT IS NOT OTHERS THAT ARE MISLEADING YOU - YOU ADMIT YOUR LIES AND YET YOU CONTINUED AND STILL CONTINUE TO LIE ABOUT ME AND ABOUT OTHERS! Truth is by your own words, you show everyone who you really are! A slug. Red Administrator Scared Monkey Offline Posts: 2035 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #802 2/21/08 - « Reply #335 on: February 22, 2009, 08:30:16 PM » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey Monkeys, Spoke with Beth today. Nothing of any pressing news, we just had not chatted in a while and it was great to do some catch up with her. However, I took the opportunity to ask Beth a couple of questions that she was kind enough to answer. Question: Beth, this may come as a strange question but in light of some people writing misrepresentations regarding stuff that SM has done ... has Scared Monkeys on the FP or in the forum ever made comments, posts or done anything that would have upset you that you were angered or disagreed with? Answer: Red, are you kidding. Scared Monkeys has done so much good from the beginning how could you even ask that. Are you crazy! My own comment ... its also not like the family has specifically asked for help regarding certain things since 2005. Whether it be advice, news updates, research or translations. The fact of the matter is folks that there has been so much done for Natalee's family behind the scenes that goes unsaid, that they all know and have a direct line if they want to ask a question. They do not rely on third party discussion. Generally speaking over the years, family members have contacted us, not the other way around. I do not believe in burdening people who have lost so much. The truth of the matter is that SM, Red personally, has a a relationship with members of Natalee's family and nothing anyone tries to do, say or lie about will change that fact. We have fought in the trenches together and have bonds outside of the internet and this case. There is nothing that internet trouble makers can do to break up friendships that exist in the real world. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4574.320 -------------------- BUMP Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 10, 2009, 01:13:29 AM The Frog tells the TRUTH................ ::MonkeyCool::
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS KEEPTHEFAITH Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 10, 2009, 01:14:42 AM I was busy trying to figure out how to fry Gizzards not fish...... ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink:: I see you guys figured out they might have went down there for OIL... ::MonkeyLaugh:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 10, 2009, 01:16:36 AM The Frog tells the TRUTH................ ::MonkeyCool:: Thanks for stopping in and letting Us know You are OK....We missed You!JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS KEEPTHEFAITH Good Night KTF! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 10, 2009, 01:20:56 AM The Frog tells the TRUTH................ ::MonkeyCool:: JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS KEEPTHEFAITH ::MonkeyDance:: Glad you stopped by...I was getting worried! Good Night KTF! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: iris44 on April 10, 2009, 01:51:12 AM Special Message for Kermit and Anna,
I am not iris at CnG. Great detective work. You two are idiots. I've never read these posts by iris at CnG, because I am not a member there. I would think that any 2nd grader could tell the difference in how 2 different posters write. At least a 2nd grader in my family could. iris44 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: cajun miracle on April 10, 2009, 02:06:00 AM My PC was sick and hospitalized for the past week. Please, could someone update me. I hope to be able to get on again.
Have a great Easter. Cajun Miracle Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: IBE on April 10, 2009, 02:08:32 AM My Easter note to ALL of you.. If you do not believe in God or a creator please read past this post. It is said that because Jesus died on the cross, that his blood was shed and that WE have been forgiven for our sins.. But what was the Sin ? The Sin was not standing up. Nobody stood up for Jesus. They allowed him to be crucified. When even though 2 kings tried to not punish him. The People of that time were afraid to stand up to the high priests, they were afraid they to would be persecuted. They had great fear for themselves and there families.. Therefore The work of God is to stand up against evil, against those who will attack the peaceful and the innocent. On this Easter and after almost 4 years ALL of you HAVE stood up against great Evil. You have stood up for Natalee and many other missing or murdered people listed in these forums. You have done the research and some have even gone out and searched. You have given your time and monetary resources to see Justice and Goodness prevail. You have taken risk with no concern for yourself. You are doing Gods work "Whatever you perceive that to be" God Bless All of you and everyone who takes a stand for Truth and Justice in all of these cases of people being hurt by Evil. This is a battle of Good versus Evil. It will always exist. It is has always been an honor for me to stand with ALL of you in this battle. My kids and friends do not understand my passion for this work .. It pays nothing. I do and that is all that matters. God Bless and carry on. Edward What a great tribute you have written about the Good Works of the Monkey Family! The internet and the members here can be for the good. Thank you. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: IBE on April 10, 2009, 02:13:58 AM Reading the last few pages made me think that if we all ever got together in real life, I image we would find that our paths have crossed.
Have a Blessed Happy Easter and Passover. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 10, 2009, 02:31:11 AM Reading the last few pages made me think that if we all ever got together in real life, I image we would find that our paths have crossed. Have a Blessed Happy Easter and Passover. You too IBE! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: IBE on April 10, 2009, 02:46:40 AM At your service Artcolley ::MonkeyWink:: Quote from: Artcolley on April 08, 2009, 04:08:17 PM FWIW, I have NEVER read anywhere that Kermit said he/she was a Secret Service Agent. I have seen where OTHERS have wondered this, but NOWHERE have I seen Kermit state this. I would LOVE to see where Kermit said this, so if anyone has a link to this, I'd appreciate it. Kermit : They have no link because I never, ever said that. THEY said it. Then attacked/stalked me. Odd isn't it that NOT ONE OF THEM questions the LIES they were told by capslockwizard or johan555 and his Joran is in den dolder and hermit craps that don't exists! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ And what is this Kermit ?: Kermit said : " I was downstairs next to ANOTHER Secret Service Agent" (http://i41.tinypic.com/2zhikk7.jpg) The ceremony was held outside - where President Nixon's house that he grew up in in the background. He is buried next to his wife by the gardens and his child hood house. Billy Graham gave the prayer/eulogy Afterwards, I went downstairs, inside the RN Library. I had CIA clearance. I was standing next to a Secret Service agent and a troop of Marines! WAITING for Clinton to leave the building so I could go to where I wanted to go when I went downstairs. Anymore diversions johann? Love those who are/have worn "white hats" and all others that do good things for Our Country. Some do it as part of their job. Some do it here as volunteers. Wish we could have a "convention" online, open only to members. I am now sure many of our paths have crossed before we met again here! God Works in Mysterious ways and I have seen through the years that many of us could pass for sisters, in real life. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: IBE on April 10, 2009, 02:48:52 AM Anna are your ribs OK?
Hello to Anna, cajun miracle, texasmom, mytime and 4 Guests Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 10, 2009, 03:01:47 AM My PC was sick and hospitalized for the past week. Please, could someone update me. I hope to be able to get on again. Have a great Easter. Cajun Miracle I've been trying to think of what's happened Cajun miracle! Nothing much really that I can think of. As far as we know, nothing was found in the pond other than trash, and we think Golba has returned to the states. There wasn't much at all in the press about this...we'd thought that he might be looking at another pond after the Monserat pond...but which one or if he actually did was never reported to my knowledge. Kermit posted about the group of Aruban's that are believed to have contributed to the postings of "capslockwizard". I believe that can all be found in the last thread. We've seen clips from the Lifetime movie that will air on Sunday April 19th. That's all I recall for now, hopefully others can add to this. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 10, 2009, 03:17:34 AM Special Message for Kermit and Anna, I am not iris at CnG. Great detective work. You two are idiots. I've never read these posts by iris at CnG, because I am not a member there. I would think that any 2nd grader could tell the difference in how 2 different posters write. At least a 2nd grader in my family could. iris44 You have said pretty much this about the majority of the posters here so calling us idiots is nothing new. GM/C&G are not much different when it comes to monkey bashing. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 10, 2009, 03:18:44 AM Anna are your ribs OK? Hello to Anna, cajun miracle, texasmom, mytime and 4 Guests Thanks for asking,IBE. Ribs are OK, nothing broken. Just not as young as I once was. Fortunately, I think the worst is over for the colt as he is doing really well. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: finngirl on April 10, 2009, 03:19:52 AM Rob, it's not happening - I don't really wanna go into why. Any more from TJ about tapes - GVS? BUCKSHOT Just wondering. why am I not surprised? BTW, who is yanno? I see many posts adressed to yanno but I can't figure out who s/he is Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Silverfox on April 10, 2009, 03:34:54 AM All I can say is,
"GOOD GRIEF cHARLIE BROWN!!!" Kermit is as straight as the ace of spades...These diversion tactics are taking us away from the real issues at hand and that is finding Nat and bringing the evil doers to justice... (Can we get back to business now?) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: iris44 on April 10, 2009, 03:35:02 AM Special Message for Kermit and Anna, I am not iris at CnG. Great detective work. You two are idiots. I've never read these posts by iris at CnG, because I am not a member there. I would think that any 2nd grader could tell the difference in how 2 different posters write. At least a 2nd grader in my family could. iris44 You have said pretty much this about the majority of the posters here so calling us idiots is nothing new. GM/C&G are not much different when it comes to monkey bashing. Geez, I thought you were going to apologize. What an idiot I am. I guess you don't like to be told you made an OOPS. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 10, 2009, 03:36:40 AM All I can say is, "GOOD GRIEF cHARLIE BROWN!!!" Kermit is as straight as the ace of spades...These diversion tactics are taking us away from the real issues at hand and that is finding Nat and bringing the evil doers to justice... (Can we get back to business now?) Great to see you Silverfox! I agree! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 10, 2009, 03:45:12 AM Special Message for Kermit and Anna, You have said pretty much this about the majority of the posters here so calling us idiots is nothing new.I am not iris at CnG. Great detective work. You two are idiots. I've never read these posts by iris at CnG, because I am not a member there. I would think that any 2nd grader could tell the difference in how 2 different posters write. At least a 2nd grader in my family could. iris44 GM/C&G are not much different when it comes to monkey bashing. Geez, I thought you were going to apologize. What an idiot I am. I guess you don't like to be told you made an OOPS. Exactly, if you think you're going to get any apologies here. WE'RE NOT STUPID! I hope if you plan to come back and do any more whining here, you'll do it in the musings thread. TIA Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 10, 2009, 03:47:06 AM (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg) Truth & Justice for Natalee! It's all about this.... ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 10, 2009, 03:52:42 AM Special Message for Kermit and Anna, I am not iris at CnG. Great detective work. You two are idiots. I've never read these posts by iris at CnG, because I am not a member there. I would think that any 2nd grader could tell the difference in how 2 different posters write. At least a 2nd grader in my family could. iris44 You have said pretty much this about the majority of the posters here so calling us idiots is nothing new. GM/C&G are not much different when it comes to monkey bashing. Geez, I thought you were going to apologize. What an idiot I am. I guess you don't like to be told you made an OOPS. Guess you missed Kermit's post about the site meter in musings. There is no difference to me in GM and C&G as far as bashing and stalking. It's the same people mostly in both places. Apologize for what? I am not the one doing the name calling nor trivializing the stalking of the children of others. And yes, those that do that post at several forums just as you do. On this thread you have called people mean, foolish, accused them of attacking you repeatedly, etc. And now we are idiots. I consider what has been done to people here far more than just "trashtalk" and don't appreciate your attempt to trivialize my concerns. Some of your cohorts at both those sites are very sick puppies. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 10, 2009, 03:54:51 AM (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg) Truth & Justice for Natalee! It's all about this.... ::MonkeyCool:: BUMP Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: EURobert on April 10, 2009, 04:15:19 AM BREAKING NEWS: PETER R. DE VRIES SHOT!
(As I read this headline I thought: Oh no... Only last sunday he did a show on a very ruthless criminal and murderer that even went as far as killing his own brother [and brother in crime]... That must have been the one who shot Peter...) http://tinyurl.com/cnx7uh ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Rob on April 10, 2009, 06:14:31 AM Rob, it's not happening - I don't really wanna go into why. Any more from TJ about tapes - GVS? BUCKSHOT Just wondering. why am I not surprised? BTW, who is yanno? I see many posts adressed to yanno but I can't figure out who s/he is yanno = YOU KNOW - now you KNOW! I will remember to use formal language when addressing you next Finngirl, which will be in approximately four more years. And for your information, I sent Anna a detailed email on this subject, and I am satisfied that she understands, as SHE was the one who asked repeatedly. I didn't post the info because it's a long convoluted story that most won't be interest in. Now YANNO! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: caesu on April 10, 2009, 06:23:58 AM PRdV: 20 years ago with an accident. bullet still present in his head... ::MonkeyEek::
if someone is wondering where i've been. i am very busy with all kinds of business the last few weeks and likely increasingly in the coming months. ::MonkeyCool:: but i will keep following developments on the Dutch side, especially about the political angle. Peter R. de Vries season also started, there will be a Natalee follow up program - if not this season surely the next. don't hesitate to contact if translation / explanation, or anything else is needed: caesu@planet.nl will also be more often and for longer periods in US, West Coast, mainly Seattle, WA. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: caesu on April 10, 2009, 06:25:54 AM and Happy Easter ::MonkeyWink::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: finngirl on April 10, 2009, 06:59:25 AM yanno = YOU KNOW - now you KNOW! I will remember to use formal language when addressing you next Finngirl, which will be in approximately four more years. And for your information, I sent Anna a detailed email on this subject, and I am satisfied that she understands, as SHE was the one who asked repeatedly. I didn't post the info because it's a long convoluted story that most won't be interest[ed] in. Now YANNO! glor-y, glor-y, hal lay lou yah mmm mmmmm mmmm mmmmmmmm mm :cool: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 10, 2009, 07:21:24 AM Thought I would pass this tip along since it is early.
Always keep several get well cards on the mantle... So if unexpected guests arrive, They will think you've been sick and unable to clean ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Frijole on April 10, 2009, 07:24:12 AM Thought I would pass this tip along since it is early. ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::Always keep several get well cards on the mantle... So if unexpected guests arrive, They will think you've been sick and unable to clean ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Thanks for that. Just wanted to wish everyone a blessed Easter weekend. Peace to all. Continued prayers for Natalees family and friends. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Rob on April 10, 2009, 07:34:11 AM Dutch TV show exonerates Osama bin Laden
'Devil's Advocate' jury finds no proof he was behind Sept. 11 By Scott Roxborough April 9, 2009, 12:37 PM ET BERLIN -- A Dutch TV jury has found Osama bin Laden not guilty of the Sept. 11 attacks. In the conclusion Wednesday night to the show "Devil's Advocate" on Dutch public broadcaster Nederland 2, the jury of two men and three women, along with the studio audience, ruled there was no proof bin Laden was the mastermind behind the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon in 2001. The Netherlands, home to "Big Brother" creator Endemol, is known for being on the cutting edge of format-based television. But even for Dutch standards, "Devil's Advocate," from Amsterdam production house AVRO, pushes the envelope. The show features star defense attorney Gerard Spong standing up for some of the world's worst criminals. In the latest show, Spong was able to convince the jury that bin Laden's connection to Sept. 11 was a product of "Western propaganda." The jury also ruled there was insufficient evidence to prove bin Laden was the real head of terrorist network al-Qaida. However, the jury did rule that bin Laden is a "terrorist who has misused Islam." The show is certain to provide further ammunition in the already heated Dutch debate over immigration and the country's large Muslim minority. The Netherlands saw a sharp rise in anti-immigration and anti-Islamic sentiment after the 2004 murder of Dutch director Theo Van Gogh by a Muslim extremist. Spong has been at the center of the debate, supporting legal action against anti-immigrant politician Geert Wilders. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3ie9cf6d4fe9496d052885db4114f0c656 Edit: Added link & deleted duplicate info per Rob's request. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: blah on April 10, 2009, 08:07:55 AM Thought I would pass this tip along since it is early. Always keep several get well cards on the mantle... So if unexpected guests arrive, They will think you've been sick and unable to clean ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: bastibro on April 10, 2009, 08:11:56 AM link to Spong / Bin Laden article. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3ie9cf6d4fe9496d052885db4114f0c656 if a mod would remove the top portion of my last post and add this link please. Please delete this post. TIA Gerard Spong was also the attorney of Guido Wever. He ensured that Guido was not transferred to Aruba in May 2006. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: kpg on April 10, 2009, 09:29:55 AM BREAKING NEWS: PETER R. DE VRIES SHOT! (As I read this headline I thought: Oh no... Only last sunday he did a show on a very ruthless criminal and murderer that even went as far as killing his own brother [and brother in crime]... That must have been the one who shot Peter...) http://tinyurl.com/cnx7uh ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Blue Moon on April 10, 2009, 09:36:14 AM Dutch TV show exonerates Osama bin Laden 'Devil's Advocate' jury finds no proof he was behind Sept. 11 By Scott Roxborough April 9, 2009, 12:37 PM ET BERLIN -- A Dutch TV jury has found Osama bin Laden not guilty of the Sept. 11 attacks. In the conclusion Wednesday night to the show "Devil's Advocate" on Dutch public broadcaster Nederland 2, the jury of two men and three women, along with the studio audience, ruled there was no proof bin Laden was the mastermind behind the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon in 2001. The Netherlands, home to "Big Brother" creator Endemol, is known for being on the cutting edge of format-based television. But even for Dutch standards, "Devil's Advocate," from Amsterdam production house AVRO, pushes the envelope. The show features star defense attorney Gerard Spong standing up for some of the world's worst criminals. In the latest show, Spong was able to convince the jury that bin Laden's connection to Sept. 11 was a product of "Western propaganda." The jury also ruled there was insufficient evidence to prove bin Laden was the real head of terrorist network al-Qaida. However, the jury did rule that bin Laden is a "terrorist who has misused Islam." The show is certain to provide further ammunition in the already heated Dutch debate over immigration and the country's large Muslim minority. The Netherlands saw a sharp rise in anti-immigration and anti-Islamic sentiment after the 2004 murder of Dutch director Theo Van Gogh by a Muslim extremist. Spong has been at the center of the debate, supporting legal action against anti-immigrant politician Geert Wilders. Dutch TV show exonerates Osama bin Laden 'Devil's Advocate' jury finds no proof he was behind Sept. 11 By Scott Roxborough April 9, 2009, 12:37 PM ET BERLIN -- A Dutch TV jury has found Osama bin Laden not guilty of the Sept. 11 attacks. In the conclusion Wednesday night to the show "Devil's Advocate" on Dutch public broadcaster Nederland 2, the jury of two men and three women, along with the studio audience, ruled there was no proof bin Laden was the mastermind behind the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon in 2001. The Netherlands, home to "Big Brother" creator Endemol, is known for being on the cutting edge of format-based television. But even for Dutch standards, "Devil's Advocate," from Amsterdam production house AVRO, pushes the envelope. The show features star defense attorney Gerard Spong standing up for some of the world's worst criminals. In the latest show, Spong was able to convince the jury that bin Laden's connection to Sept. 11 was a product of "Western propaganda." The jury also ruled there was insufficient evidence to prove bin Laden was the real head of terrorist network al-Qaida. However, the jury did rule that bin Laden is a "terrorist who has misused Islam." The show is certain to provide further ammunition in the already heated Dutch debate over immigration and the country's large Muslim minority. The Netherlands saw a sharp rise in anti-immigration and anti-Islamic sentiment after the 2004 murder of Dutch director Theo Van Gogh by a Muslim extremist. Spong has been at the center of the debate, supporting legal action against anti-immigrant politician Geert Wilders. This is SICK, SICK. What gives them the right to do this and declare this evil person "clean"? It happened here, this sick ba$++++ admitted to ordering this. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Blue Moon on April 10, 2009, 09:36:38 AM Thought I would pass this tip along since it is early. Always keep several get well cards on the mantle... So if unexpected guests arrive, They will think you've been sick and unable to clean ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Am doing this right now. ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 10, 2009, 09:37:25 AM If I were one of those Anti-Kermit sites and was trying to defame posters,
and the worst I could come up with is that one has a lovely family and the other owns several businesses. I would think I had totally failed in my mission. It is yet to be proven that those photobucket pictures of the lovely family have anything whatsoever to do with any poster here. And, it seems they think it is a disgrace to own several businesses and have one disgruntled customer. That one review was probably written by a member of C&G. Get real!! All that you have done is prove how small minded and hateful you are. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 10, 2009, 09:43:55 AM Thought I would pass this tip along since it is early. Always keep several get well cards on the mantle... So if unexpected guests arrive, They will think you've been sick and unable to clean ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Priceless Magnolia! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 10, 2009, 09:45:15 AM Thought I would pass this tip along since it is early. ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::Always keep several get well cards on the mantle... So if unexpected guests arrive, They will think you've been sick and unable to clean ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Thanks for that. Just wanted to wish everyone a blessed Easter weekend. Peace to all. Continued prayers for Natalees family and friends. You too Frijole! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 10, 2009, 09:46:53 AM Video from Access Hollywood here about the movie, haven't figured out how to bring it over....
http://natalee-holloway-news.newslib.com/story/4729-3204233/ Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 10, 2009, 09:52:16 AM PRdV: 20 years ago with an accident. bullet still present in his head... ::MonkeyEek:: if someone is wondering where i've been. i am very busy with all kinds of business the last few weeks and likely increasingly in the coming months. ::MonkeyCool:: but i will keep following developments on the Dutch side, especially about the political angle. Peter R. de Vries season also started, there will be a Natalee follow up program - if not this season surely the next. don't hesitate to contact if translation / explanation, or anything else is needed: caesu@planet.nl will also be more often and for longer periods in US, West Coast, mainly Seattle, WA. I was wondering!!!!!! ::MonkeyCool:: Thank you for all you do caesu!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 10, 2009, 09:55:14 AM Happy Friday Monkeys!!!
Hope everyone has a wonderful Easter! :smt026 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 10, 2009, 09:56:02 AM and Happy Easter ::MonkeyWink:: You too caesu! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 10, 2009, 09:58:19 AM Happy Friday Monkeys!!! Hope everyone has a wonderful Easter! :smt026 Happy Friday jen! Beginning a four day weekend for me! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: I hope you have a wonderful Easter too! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Blue Moon on April 10, 2009, 09:58:25 AM PRdV: 20 years ago with an accident. bullet still present in his head... ::MonkeyEek:: if someone is wondering where i've been. i am very busy with all kinds of business the last few weeks and likely increasingly in the coming months. ::MonkeyCool:: but i will keep following developments on the Dutch side, especially about the political angle. Peter R. de Vries season also started, there will be a Natalee follow up program - if not this season surely the next. don't hesitate to contact if translation / explanation, or anything else is needed: caesu@planet.nl will also be more often and for longer periods in US, West Coast, mainly Seattle, WA. I was wondering!!!!!! ::MonkeyCool:: Thank you for all you do caesu!! I 2nd that Caesu. Don't work too hard. We appreciate what you do for Natalee. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 10, 2009, 10:15:59 AM THE EASTER MESSAGE John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. http://www.youtube.com/v/GBLXcrFndm0&hl=en&fs=1 BUMPED Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Edward on April 10, 2009, 10:55:31 AM Edward We have to agree to disagree friend. When I consider Kyle Kingman's qualifications and his own words regarding his observations on board the Persistence ... I no longer speculate. I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words submitted to the Natalee's Freebird site. Janet ++++++++ KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS Kyle Kingman: Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere. We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage. Please understand I do do disagree with you at all.. Just pointing out another possibility for moving the body. You are probably correct. ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 10, 2009, 11:12:23 AM (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Greetings/Holidays/theaster1.jpg)
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 10, 2009, 11:14:43 AM Thought I would pass this tip along since it is early. Always keep several get well cards on the mantle... So if unexpected guests arrive, They will think you've been sick and unable to clean ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: Happy Easter, Blah! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 10, 2009, 11:21:44 AM Edward,
Thank you for presenting different points of view without name calling or telling us how stupid we are or how we need to think for ourselves. If anything, monkeys think too much and have been at it for a very long time. As you may know, I am maybe the only poster here who doesn't think Lorenzo van Rijn involved in any way and I also know he is not related to Sloots and was born in the Netherlands before his parents ever met Sloots. And yet, I don't have to call names either. But that's what I think and that's what I know. And others are free as bluebirds to think whatever they please without my calling them names. It can be done, other opinions expressed without hate. And thanks for the nice Easter/Passover tribute to monkeys. Contrary to hate site propaganda, we do not all have the same slant on things for sure but can work together respectfully. That may well be the difference. Some people are just unable to tolerate another opinion and so have to attack the poster instead of the post. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 10, 2009, 11:30:11 AM On the Dutch show exonerating Osama Bin Laden, I wonder if the attack had happened in The Hague or downtown Amsterdam if they would be so understanding. Yes, he bragged about giving the orders.
But they are also holding a suspect in 9/11 last I heard and refuse to extradite him because they don't respect our system (shades of Marianne Croes spokesperson in Aruba here) because we have the death penalty. So they do not always honor extradition treaties and this is why I think there is no chance of Joran ever standing trial in this country. However, since 9/11 we do have laws that say we can legally (in this country) kidnap and bring suspected criminals to this country to stand trial for crimes against U.S. citizens. Since it has never been done, I have to wonder if it is political crimes only as well it may be. I can dream however that Joran keeps blathering on about what he did and one day finds himself on one of those unmarked flights either to a country like Egypt or this one to stand trial and face the sentence he meted out for our citizen. I consider putting somebody in the ocean possibly alive the same as murder one. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: ohcanada on April 10, 2009, 11:34:56 AM goodmorning monkeys
first of all klaassend im sorry i couldnt look at those documents... i dont have excel just a thought was jorans apt or the vandersloot house ever dusted for Natalees prints and if so what was the findings just a thought 2 “I called DEEPAK and he came with two dogs. I think he raped the girl and did something to her. this is in on of jorans statements....has it been determined what he ment by ... .....two dogs.. .......also ive posted images with some of my posts but i dont see them if im not logged in im just curious if yous are able to see them thanks Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 10, 2009, 11:41:51 AM goodmorning monkeys first of all klaassend im sorry i couldnt look at those documents... i dont have excel just a thought was jorans apt or the vandersloot house ever dusted for Natalees prints and if so what was the findings just a thought 2 “I called DEEPAK and he came with two dogs. I think he raped the girl and did something to her. this is in on of jorans statements....has it been determined what he ment by ... .....two dogs.. .......also ive posted images with some of my posts but i dont see them if im not logged in im just curious if yous are able to see them thanks I don't know which documents Klaasend directed you to, so I'm sorry I cannot help with that. The 2 dogs statement has been discussed here. I do not believe we came up with a positive meaning, because it could be slang, or it could have been canine in reference. We have seen no images in your posts, ohcanada. Were you attaching them from your hard drive or inserting the image directly to your posts? Perhaps Klaasend or others will have answers for you, as well. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: ohcanada on April 10, 2009, 11:48:46 AM thank you 2njsons_mom
i put them on as attachments just a thought i your going to pick up joran ..and Natalee in that little car why would you fill it with dogs???? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 10, 2009, 11:59:49 AM Also there is a thread on how to post different things like photos, videos, etc. I believe it is in the monkey lounge. Good instructions.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: ohcanada on April 10, 2009, 12:13:05 PM just a thought
After that they drove to the hotel. When the girl had pushed open the door of the car, she fell to the ground. Joran wanted to help her but she shoved him away why do they all repeat the fact that Natalee ..fell ...out of the car .....could it be possible she fell out f the car as it was moving?????? .....and got seriously hurt???? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: ohcanada on April 10, 2009, 12:23:00 PM thanks anna
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: ohcanada on April 10, 2009, 12:45:04 PM just a thougth
actually a question why does the "time line " seem to stop at or about the time that joran and deepak email or text each other ..this could have been an elaborate and so far effective part of their alibi......when really they had all night to get things done..and perhaps jorans father was dropping him off for the bus on the highway because they were just getting finished with hdding evidence if this is old please forgive me for bringing it up Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 10, 2009, 12:45:57 PM just a thought After that they drove to the hotel. When the girl had pushed open the door of the car, she fell to the ground. Joran wanted to help her but she shoved him away why do they all repeat the fact that Natalee ..fell ...out of the car .....could it be possible she fell out f the car as it was moving?????? .....and got seriously hurt???? Your questions have been discussed for some time, especially those which arose after seeing some of the suspect's statements, but also were discussed from the very beginning of the case. I am not sure how long you have been reading here, but we do have a Natalee Discussion (2005 Archive), as well as the LCD (Lively Case Discussion) Archives which may be of interest to you. Due to a server crash, some posts were not retrievable, but there's a lot to read. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 10, 2009, 12:50:20 PM I love tradition. I do not worship tradition but ... I love it.
As long as I can remember ... Good Friday and Easter Sunday ... a full breakfast and hot crossed buns has been a tradition. This morning ... I toasted hot cross buns as per tradition. My two eldest grandsons (9/11) ... who were dropped off by their pilot Dad who was on his way to the airport a couple of hours ago ... sat down to breakfast with us. They ate the scrambled eggs ... the ham ... the hashbrowns but ... would not touch the toasted hot crossed buns. They claimed the little glazed fruit throughout made them gag and proceeded to stick two figures in their mouths. After informing them that the gesture was unnecessary ... toast was where it was at. What is this world coming to! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Have a good Easter weekend Monkeys. Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 10, 2009, 12:58:02 PM just a thougth actually a question why does the "time line " seem to stop at or about the time that joran and deepak email or text each other ..this could have been an elaborate and so far effective part of their alibi......when really they had all night to get things done..and perhaps jorans father was dropping him off for the bus on the highway because they were just getting finished with hdding evidence if this is old please forgive me for bringing it up You and I were posting at the same time. I know that my son can access his email accounts from his phone, and it is possible that Joran could have said in a text or email that he was home, when he or Deepak were not. In fact, Joran, his brother Valentijn & Paulus were said to be logged in to the home computer during the early morning hours of 5/30/05...Joran & Paulus using the browser, beside email. This, too, was discussed, ohcanada. I'm sure someone will correct me if I have misstated anything. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 10, 2009, 12:59:41 PM I love tradition. I do not worship tradition but ... I love it. As long as I can remember ... Good Friday and Easter Sunday ... a full breakfast and hot crossed buns has been a tradition. This morning ... I toasted hot cross buns as per tradition. My two eldest grandsons (9/11) ... who were dropped off by their pilot Dad who was on his way to the airport a couple of hours ago ... sat down to breakfast with us. They ate the scrambled eggs ... the ham ... the hashbrowns but ... would not touch the toasted hot crossed buns. They claimed the little glazed fruit throughout made them gag and proceeded to stick two figures in their mouths. After informing them that the gesture was unnecessary ... toast was where it was at. What is this world coming to! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Have a good Easter weekend Monkeys. Janet ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 10, 2009, 01:03:58 PM I love tradition. I do not worship tradition but ... I love it. As long as I can remember ... Good Friday and Easter Sunday ... a full breakfast and hot crossed buns has been a tradition. This morning ... I toasted hot cross buns as per tradition. My two eldest grandsons (9/11) ... who were dropped off by their pilot Dad who was on his way to the airport a couple of hours ago ... sat down to breakfast with us. They ate the scrambled eggs ... the ham ... the hashbrowns but ... would not touch the toasted hot crossed buns. They claimed the little glazed fruit throughout made them gag and proceeded to stick two figures in their mouths. After informing them that the gesture was unnecessary ... toast was where it was at. What is this world coming to! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Have a good Easter weekend Monkeys. Janet ::MonkeyHaHa:: I'm with the grandsons because my Mom baked the hot cross buns and I despised the citron fruity things (send no fruitcake my way, either). We don't eat meat on Fridays in Lent, so I would have passed on the ham. Good Friday is a fasting day, so 3 light meals is what is supposed to be. There are a lot of Italian pastry & pies on my Dad's side that I don't know how to make and miss. Enjoy your weekend, Janet. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 10, 2009, 01:06:08 PM I love tradition. I do not worship tradition but ... I love it. As long as I can remember ... Good Friday and Easter Sunday ... a full breakfast and hot crossed buns has been a tradition. This morning ... I toasted hot cross buns as per tradition. My two eldest grandsons (9/11) ... who were dropped off by their pilot Dad who was on his way to the airport a couple of hours ago ... sat down to breakfast with us. They ate the scrambled eggs ... the ham ... the hashbrowns but ... would not touch the toasted hot crossed buns. They claimed the little glazed fruit throughout made them gag and proceeded to stick two figures in their mouths. After informing them that the gesture was unnecessary ... toast was where it was at. What is this world coming to! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Have a good Easter weekend Monkeys. Janet ::MonkeyHaHa:: I'm with the grandsons because my Mom baked the hot cross buns and I despised the citron fruity things (send no fruitcake my way, either). We don't eat meat on Fridays in Lent, so I would have passed on the ham. Good Friday is a fasting day, so 3 light meals is what is supposed to be. There are a lot of Italian pastry & pies on my Dad's side that I don't know how to make and miss. Enjoy your weekend, Janet. Ham? We're eating yogurt and Janet is having ham! ::MonkeyWaa:: I told you she has all the fun! I can't even get anybody to play Scrabble around here either. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 10, 2009, 01:07:43 PM Happy Easter Monkeys.....I will be in and out all weekend!
I have never posted a pic before but I'm trying...lol...This is Just A Cute Pic I wanted to share..... [url][/"C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\My Documents\My Pictures\cute easter.bmp"url] Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 10, 2009, 01:09:18 PM Happy Easter Monkeys.....I will be in and out all weekend! Oh Well Back to the Drawing Board...lol....Have a Great Easter Everyone!I have never posted a pic before but I'm trying...lol...This is Just A Cute Pic I wanted to share..... [url][/"C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\My Documents\My Pictures\cute easter.bmp"url] Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 10, 2009, 01:09:52 PM Happy Easter Monkeys.....I will be in and out all weekend! I have never posted a pic before but I'm trying...lol...This is Just A Cute Pic I wanted to share..... [url][/"C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\My Documents\My Pictures\cute easter.bmp"url] hotping, when posting, go to additional options and click on browse....find the picture in your documents and click on it....then post. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 10, 2009, 01:11:29 PM Happy Easter Monkeys.....I will be in and out all weekend! I have never posted a pic before but I'm trying...lol...This is Just A Cute Pic I wanted to share..... [url][/"C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\My Documents\My Pictures\cute easter.bmp"url] hotping, when posting, go to additional options and click on browse....find the picture in your documents and click on it....then post. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 10, 2009, 01:17:18 PM Oh Well I tried and it is the wrong kind of file and will not let Me post....Sorry for all the confusion....Got To Go... BBL! ::MonkeyCool::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 10, 2009, 01:19:05 PM Oh Well I tried and it is the wrong kind of file and will not let Me post....Sorry for all the confusion....Got To Go... BBL! ::MonkeyCool:: I'll help you practice in the practice thread some day, if you wish. I didn't remember that bmp files wouldn't work. See you later. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 10, 2009, 01:20:36 PM I love tradition. I do not worship tradition but ... I love it. As long as I can remember ... Good Friday and Easter Sunday ... a full breakfast and hot crossed buns has been a tradition. This morning ... I toasted hot cross buns as per tradition. My two eldest grandsons (9/11) ... who were dropped off by their pilot Dad who was on his way to the airport a couple of hours ago ... sat down to breakfast with us. They ate the scrambled eggs ... the ham ... the hashbrowns but ... would not touch the toasted hot crossed buns. They claimed the little glazed fruit throughout made them gag and proceeded to stick two figures in their mouths. After informing them that the gesture was unnecessary ... toast was where it was at. What is this world coming to! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Have a good Easter weekend Monkeys. Janet ::MonkeyHaHa:: I'm with the grandsons because my Mom baked the hot cross buns and I despised the citron fruity things (send no fruitcake my way, either). We don't eat meat on Fridays in Lent, so I would have passed on the ham. Good Friday is a fasting day, so 3 light meals is what is supposed to be. There are a lot of Italian pastry & pies on my Dad's side that I don't know how to make and miss. Enjoy your weekend, Janet. Ham? We're eating yogurt and Janet is having ham! ::MonkeyWaa:: I told you she has all the fun! I can't even get anybody to play Scrabble around here either. .... and I was not struck by lightning. We are all headed down down to the church ... a one mile trek and a short service is where it is at. The boys will freak out ... hot cross buns will be served with coffee and hot chocolate. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Anna ... eat your heart out. Grandsons will be playing Scrabble with me this afternoon. I had to bribe them. Three games and ... I will let them watch a DVD ... Hotel for Dogs ... I bought them this past week. I get my way ... one way or another. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Janet 10:20 AM Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 10, 2009, 01:34:40 PM H/T Boycott Aruba
WILLEMSTAD — Last weekend, Justice intercepted a group of people in a research that was directed at human trafficking. There were also seven children in this group. This was confirmed by the public prosecutor Ludmilla Vicento. Details could not be given with regard to the importance of the research, nor if any suspects were detained. Minister of Justice David Dick (PAR) announced the action of Justice during yesterday’s State meeting. The children, originating from a country in the Caribbean region, were en route elsewhere to perform some kind of slaves’ work. The minister actually talked out of turn as the research is still in progress. According to Vicento, the character of the practices requires more clarity. In any case it has to do with illegality, forgery and human trafficking and/or smuggling. Prevention policy A difficult phenomenal to tackle, but a workgroup within the department of Justice is actually in full swing to implement a prevention policy. Momentarily there are advertising spots on the radio and a special telephone number. Recently, Justice participated with a research by the Surinam authorities regarding human trafficking, whereby Surinamers were recruited and came to Curaçao via Trinidad where they nevertheless were forced to work. http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55085.php Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: cajun miracle on April 10, 2009, 04:03:21 PM My PC was sick and hospitalized for the past week. Please, could someone update me. I hope to be able to get on again. Have a great Easter. Cajun Miracle I've been trying to think of what's happened Cajun miracle! Nothing much really that I can think of. As far as we know, nothing was found in the pond other than trash, and we think Golba has returned to the states. There wasn't much at all in the press about this...we'd thought that he might be looking at another pond after the Monserat pond...but which one or if he actually did was never reported to my knowledge. Kermit posted about the group of Aruban's that are believed to have contributed to the postings of "capslockwizard". I believe that can all be found in the last thread. We've seen clips from the Lifetime movie that will air on Sunday April 19th. That's all I recall for now, hopefully others can add to this. Thanks Texasmom. Still having pc problems. Ugh! This stinks!!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: klaasend on April 10, 2009, 04:09:44 PM Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW Documents Filed (Filing dates listed in descending order) Click on any of the below link(s) to see documents filed on or before the date indicated: 08/25/2008 12/26/2007 07/25/2007 01/19/2007 04/06/2009 Objection Document (TO THE DECLS. OF JESSICA L. LESNIEWSKI, DEEPAK KALPOE AND SATISH KALPOE, ETC. ) Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent 04/01/2009 Declaration (OF JESSICA L. LESNIEWSKI, ETC. ) Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner 04/01/2009 Proof of Service Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner Two documents in PDF format below. Note I'm testing a new watermark for PDF's that San showed me ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Mere on April 10, 2009, 04:14:39 PM OT...we have monkeys in the area of the severe weather...hope all are okay.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: klaasend on April 10, 2009, 04:25:23 PM OT...we have monkeys in the area of the severe weather...hope all are okay. Yes Mere we do and I pray they are all safe. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Blue Moon on April 10, 2009, 05:42:58 PM OT...we have monkeys in the area of the severe weather...hope all are okay. Mere, it hit again here, we missed it but had severe storms. Just south of us in Murfreesboro, TN it tore the town up and cut through the interstate and toss/tore up vehicles. Bad there. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Buckeye on April 10, 2009, 05:57:17 PM Case Number: BC363201 DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW Documents Filed (Filing dates listed in descending order) Click on any of the below link(s) to see documents filed on or before the date indicated: 08/25/2008 12/26/2007 07/25/2007 01/19/2007 04/06/2009 Objection Document (TO THE DECLS. OF JESSICA L. LESNIEWSKI, DEEPAK KALPOE AND SATISH KALPOE, ETC. ) Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent 04/01/2009 Declaration (OF JESSICA L. LESNIEWSKI, ETC. ) Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner 04/01/2009 Proof of Service Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner Two documents in PDF format below. Note I'm testing a new watermark for PDF's that San showed me ::MonkeyHaHa:: Well, the water marks definitely work! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Don't the Kalpoes, at least, need a notarized signature? If they want to declare the statement false, where is the NFI and FBI statements that supposedly back them up?? The statements must not have shown the tape to be manipulated. Hmmmmmm Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Blue Moon on April 10, 2009, 06:24:09 PM Case Number: BC363201 DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW Documents Filed (Filing dates listed in descending order) Click on any of the below link(s) to see documents filed on or before the date indicated: 08/25/2008 12/26/2007 07/25/2007 01/19/2007 04/06/2009 Objection Document (TO THE DECLS. OF JESSICA L. LESNIEWSKI, DEEPAK KALPOE AND SATISH KALPOE, ETC. ) Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent 04/01/2009 Declaration (OF JESSICA L. LESNIEWSKI, ETC. ) Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner 04/01/2009 Proof of Service Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner Two documents in PDF format below. Note I'm testing a new watermark for PDF's that San showed me ::MonkeyHaHa:: Great watermarks Klaas. Looks like the lawyer for Deepak and Satish messed up and now is using an underhanded way to get this before the court even if it is not permissable. JMO Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 10, 2009, 06:37:38 PM WOW! What a stormy afternoon. Power has been off and on repeatedly. Transformers have blown up and
set the woods on fire. Hale stones the size of golf balls. It is up in Anna's area now. ::MonkeyWaa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: klaasend on April 10, 2009, 06:38:13 PM Case Number: BC363201 DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW Documents Filed (Filing dates listed in descending order) Click on any of the below link(s) to see documents filed on or before the date indicated: 08/25/2008 12/26/2007 07/25/2007 01/19/2007 04/06/2009 Objection Document (TO THE DECLS. OF JESSICA L. LESNIEWSKI, DEEPAK KALPOE AND SATISH KALPOE, ETC. ) Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent 04/01/2009 Declaration (OF JESSICA L. LESNIEWSKI, ETC. ) Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner 04/01/2009 Proof of Service Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner Two documents in PDF format below. Note I'm testing a new watermark for PDF's that San showed me ::MonkeyHaHa:: Great watermarks Klaas. Looks like the lawyer for Deepak and Satish messed up and now is using an underhanded way to get this before the court even if it is not permissable. JMO SAN found that program! It's frustrating because nobody else is willing to pay for these documents except us. Others are welcome to view them and post on their websites but copying won't be quite as easy as it was ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 10, 2009, 06:44:19 PM WOW! What a stormy afternoon. Power has been off and on repeatedly. Transformers have blown up and set the woods on fire. Hale stones the size of golf balls. It is up in Anna's area now. ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: Magnolia ... that is terrible. Stay safe. Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 10, 2009, 06:45:45 PM Case Number: BC363201 DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW Documents Filed (Filing dates listed in descending order) Click on any of the below link(s) to see documents filed on or before the date indicated: 08/25/2008 12/26/2007 07/25/2007 01/19/2007 04/06/2009 Objection Document (TO THE DECLS. OF JESSICA L. LESNIEWSKI, DEEPAK KALPOE AND SATISH KALPOE, ETC. ) Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent 04/01/2009 Declaration (OF JESSICA L. LESNIEWSKI, ETC. ) Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner 04/01/2009 Proof of Service Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner Two documents in PDF format below. Note I'm testing a new watermark for PDF's that San showed me ::MonkeyHaHa:: Great watermarks Klaas. Looks like the lawyer for Deepak and Satish messed up and now is using an underhanded way to get this before the court even if it is not permissable. JMO SAN found that program! It's frustrating because nobody else is willing to pay for these documents except us. Others are welcome to view them and post on their websites but copying won't be quite as easy as it was ::MonkeyHaHa:: I can't figure why this case has not been thrown out of court already. The Kalpoes just think they should not have to produce any documents. What do they think this is Aruba? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 10, 2009, 06:47:58 PM WOW! What a stormy afternoon. Power has been off and on repeatedly. Transformers have blown up and set the woods on fire. Hale stones the size of golf balls. It is up in Anna's area now. ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: Magnolia ... that is terrible. Stay safe. Janet It is all over but the shoutin' here now. Anna is still in the danger zone. I have been thinking of her. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 10, 2009, 06:56:05 PM Case Number: BC363201 DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW Documents Filed (Filing dates listed in descending order) Click on any of the below link(s) to see documents filed on or before the date indicated: 08/25/2008 12/26/2007 07/25/2007 01/19/2007 04/06/2009 Objection Document (TO THE DECLS. OF JESSICA L. LESNIEWSKI, DEEPAK KALPOE AND SATISH KALPOE, ETC. ) Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent 04/01/2009 Declaration (OF JESSICA L. LESNIEWSKI, ETC. ) Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner 04/01/2009 Proof of Service Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner Two documents in PDF format below. Note I'm testing a new watermark for PDF's that San showed me ::MonkeyHaHa:: Great watermarks Klaas. Looks like the lawyer for Deepak and Satish messed up and now is using an underhanded way to get this before the court even if it is not permissable. JMO SAN found that program! It's frustrating because nobody else is willing to pay for these documents except us. Others are welcome to view them and post on their websites but copying won't be quite as easy as it was ::MonkeyHaHa:: I can't figure why this case has not been thrown out of court already. The Kalpoes just think they should not have to produce any documents. What do they think this is Aruba? Hey Magnolia ... the American system has bowed to the Kalpoes's attorneys time and time and time again when they have failed to comply with the judge's request to produced documents. The McGraw attorneys' motion to have the defamation lawsuit dismissed has been denied time and time again. Aruba is appearing to prevail as the victor once again. ::MonkeyNoNo:: Janet +++++++ Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents Friday, September 14, 2007 KELLY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that. But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Mere on April 10, 2009, 07:09:15 PM OT....back and glad to hear from monkeys in my area....wonder if we could open a weather thread or is there one already? Mere
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 10, 2009, 07:11:43 PM Janet,
I don't think that Aruba or the Kalpoes will prevail. I think that the Larry Garrison testimony will keep that from happening. I want the Kalpoes to have to pay all attorney fees due to non compliance. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: bastibro on April 10, 2009, 07:12:52 PM This is what I want to share with all of you tonight,
Gal.5:20 in worship of idols and witchcraft. People become enemies and they fight; they become jealous, angry, and ambitious. They separate into parties and groups; 22 But the Spirit produces love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 humility, and self-control. There is no law against such things as these. May God bless us all, Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 10, 2009, 07:26:50 PM WOW! What a stormy afternoon. Power has been off and on repeatedly. Transformers have blown up and set the woods on fire. Hale stones the size of golf balls. It is up in Anna's area now. ::MonkeyWaa:: Trees crashing, tornadoes all around. Weatherman said hail 3.5 inches in diameter but I don't believe that. They get sort of hysterical. Some camper trailers reported in Saulty Creek, things like that. But I am just fine with no damage at all. Just some trees that don't matter anyway. The ground was soft so wind blew them over. I am going out to check on a few others but myself, while it was something for a while, no harm here at all. I am thankful it happened during the daytime. Also we had an Easter morning tornadoe several years ago that hit a church during services and killed a couple of people. So it is sort of traditional to have an Easter storm here I think. Too soon to know if any fatalities or injuries in this area but am praying not. BBL. . . Magnolia, glad you are OK, too. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 10, 2009, 07:28:07 PM Janet, I don't think that Aruba or the Kalpoes will prevail. I think that the Larry Garrison testimony will keep that from happening. I want the Kalpoes to have to pay all attorney fees due to non compliance. Larry Garrison? Did Garrison make a recording? What about Jamie Skeeters' hard drive? Isn't the alleged manipulated recording of the Deepak/Skeeters' interview which was played on the Dr. Phil show what the defamation lawsuit was all about According to Jamie Skeeters, the FBI was afforded possession of the hard drive that his interview with Deepak Kalpoe was recorded directly into. Logic dictates that an analysis of the hard drive by the FBI laboratories should reveal if a manipulated tape was heard by the viewing audience of Phil McGraw Janet +++++++ 'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Oct. 12th updated 8:04 p.m. PT, Wed., Oct. 12, 2005 COSBY: All of the tapes or just part of the tapes? SKEETERS: I turned everything I had over to the FBI, yes. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9680121/ 'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Oct. 12th updated 8:04 p.m. PT, Wed., Oct. 12, 2005 SKEETERS: Well, see, that‘s the big issue here, Rita. I handed these tapes over to a very reliable company—it‘s called the FBI—a week or two ago. I‘m from the old school. I don‘t bring these things out in the public. You keep the integrity and the credibility of the evidence, and I can‘t think of anybody more credible than the FBI. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9680121/ 'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 10th updated 9:00 a.m. PT, Tues., Oct. 11, 2005 BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: The FBI has the taped evidence. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9662347/ Tale of the Tape Thursday December 01, 2005 GRETA VAN SUSTEREN: Dr. Phil and his staff stand by the tape they aired and claim Deepak admitted — and not denied — to having sex with Natalee. A representative for the "Dr. Phil" show specifically said that the show 1) Did not manipulate the Deepak tape in any way; 2) Did not alter what Deepak said in any way and 3) That they would give us [today] the tape they worked from so that we could inspect it to verify what they were claiming … The representative also said the show stands by its position that Deepak said on tape, "You would be surprised how simple it was...." The implication of that quote is that Deepak had sex with Natalee. We are also curious what the FBI has to say about the content of this interview. I was told by Jamie Skeeters on the phone the other night that he originally "taped" this interview directly to his computer hard drive and that he gave the hard drive to the FBI. Of course this hard drive — the "original" — is what will tell us exactly what was said or not said — provided it can be adequately enhanced and analyzed. We don't have access to that hard drive so even after evaluating all the tapes and CD's given us, there could still remain in my mind some question. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html 'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Nov. 30th updated 9:10 a.m. PT, Thurs., Dec. 1, 2005 BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER: You know, Rita, when they use the word “manipulated,” they really need to use the word “edited.” And the tape that they‘re saying was manipulated was the one that was shown on Dr. Phil, it was edited. It was edited for television. You can‘t get a 20-second or a 6-second sound bite out of two-and-a-half hours. And you know, yes, Deepak did respond to Jamie‘s question that they all had sex with her. And he even (INAUDIBLE) You‘d be surprised how simple it was that night. RITA COSBY, HOST: So there was nothing taken out of context, as they‘re even suggesting? HOLLOWAY TWITTY: No, not that I could see, Rita. But you know, I know that Jamie Skeeters will have to give the information on the tapes, but I do stand by him and his validity on the tapes, Rita. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/ 'The Abrams Report' for Oct. 7th updated 6:07 p.m. PT, Sun., Oct. 9, 2005 DAN ABRAMS, HOST: Jamie Skeeters, let‘s be clear, he knew he was being taped or not? JAMIE SKEETERS, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Yes, I have that on tape. I have it witnessed by another former FBI and Deepak himself and another citizen of Aruba. ABRAMS: OK. You‘re saying that yes, you believe he did know he was being taped? SKEETERS: I have that on tape ... http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9646352/ 'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Nov. 30th updated 9:10 a.m. PT, Thurs., Dec. 1, 2005 DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S FATHER: I listened to all of it this afternoon. RITA COSBY, HOST: Was anything doctored, anything manipulated? What I mean is, anything taken out of context? HOLLOWAY: No, I don‘t believe so. I think what Dr. Phil‘s show did was edited the tape. From what I can understand, you know, this tape has - the air-conditioner came on about the time Deepak walked in the room, so you‘ve got a lot of snow in there. But essentially, from what I understand, he said—there was kind of a stutter after Jamie asked the question, and that stuttering part I believe was taken out of the tape. And then he said, No, we did. You‘d be surprised how easy it was that night. COSBY: Do you believe, based on everything you‘ve heard... HOLLOWAY: I think what the Aruban... COSBY: Do you believe he‘s saying that they did have sex with her? Is that what you believe? HOLLOWAY: Oh, yes. Absolutely. You can‘t have a negative and then turn around and then support it with a positive. I mean, they‘ve got to put the whole sentence together for it to make sense. If they said, No, we didn‘t, and then turn around and said, You wouldn‘t believe how simple it was, that just—that just doesn‘t make sense. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/ 'The Abrams Report' for Dec. 1st updated 6:00 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005 DAN ABRAMS, HOST: All right. Let me do this. I‘m going to play now in order all three. I‘m going to play Jamie Skeeters‘ version—again, that‘s the actual one we got. We went to Jamie Skeeters‘ office and recorded exactly what he had on his hard drive. Then I want to play the version that Arlene has sent to us. Again, I‘m going to do this without words on the screen this time so you all can listen and decide for yourselves and then we‘re going to play the “Dr. Phil” version. All right, so let‘s start with the—this is the Jamie Skeeters‘ version. This is what actually came from the hard drive. Here it is. (BEGIN AUDIOTAPE) JAMIE SKEETERS, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Nobody told her that you can‘t (EXPLETIVE DELETED). You know? I mean and I‘m sure she had sex with all of you. KALPOE: Yes, she did. You‘d be surprised how simple it was that night. (END AUDIOTAPE) ABRAMS: Boy that sure sounds like she did and you wouldn‘t—it was really easy. All right. Now, this is the version that we got from Arlene in Aruba and I have to tell you, it sounds different. (BEGIN AUDIOTAPE) SKEETERS: Nobody told her that you can‘t (EXPLETIVE DELETED). You know? I mean and I‘m sure she had sex with all of you. KALPOE: No, she didn‘t. You would be surprised how simple it was that night. (END AUDIOTAPE) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10294603/ 'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1 updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005 ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN STRATEGIC COMM. TASK FORCE: Well, it's not what I think, it is what the Dutch forensic institute thinks and what we have also requested the FBI to confirm, which confirmation we haven't received yet. However, the NFI had four investigators separately look at these tapes, and they say that the Dr. Phil show tapes were edited for content in the following order. Just before the word “she,” there was a cut. And just after the word “did,” there was a cut. And then they compared it to the CD-ROM that Mr. Skeeters sent the officials, and you have seen that piece, and it says, “No, she didn't.” And he shakes his head while doing—while saying that. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 10, 2009, 07:33:26 PM WOW! What a stormy afternoon. Power has been off and on repeatedly. Transformers have blown up and set the woods on fire. Hale stones the size of golf balls. It is up in Anna's area now. ::MonkeyWaa:: Trees crashing, tornadoes all around. Weatherman said hail 3.5 inches in diameter but I don't believe that. They get sort of hysterical. Some camper trailers reported in Saulty Creek, things like that. But I am just fine with no damage at all. Just some trees that don't matter anyway. The ground was soft so wind blew them over. I am going out to check on a few others but myself, while it was something for a while, no harm here at all. I am thankful it happened during the daytime. Also we had an Easter morning tornadoe several years ago that hit a church during services and killed a couple of people. So it is sort of traditional to have an Easter storm here I think. Too soon to know if any fatalities or injuries in this area but am praying not. BBL. . . Magnolia, glad you are OK, too. I am thankful that both you and Manolia safely weathered this storm. I feel so fortunate. I now I complain about our weather patterns but ... I shouldn't. They may result in some inconveniences. However ... very seldom are they life threatening. Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 10, 2009, 07:48:25 PM This is what I want to share with all of you tonight, Gal.5:20 in worship of idols and witchcraft. People become enemies and they fight; they become jealous, angry, and ambitious. They separate into parties and groups; 22 But the Spirit produces love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 humility, and self-control. There is no law against such things as these. May God bless us all, bastibro ... thank you. My philosophy in life is ... "If God's Word says it; I believe it; that settles it." Hey ... even if I do not believe it with my limited wisdom ... "If God's Word says it; that settles it." I had assumed that you would have posted this significant reminder in the Gold Monkey's forum but ... nothing. Why? ::MonkeyNoNo:: Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: bastibro on April 10, 2009, 07:55:53 PM They all read here ::MonkeyHaHa::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: nonesuche on April 10, 2009, 08:09:32 PM They all read here ::MonkeyHaHa:: no joke bro ! ::MonkeyShocked:: I've decided not to worry about trying to read and catch up on what I miss due to having to work, just ask the GM hotline to post an update? ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: nonesuche on April 10, 2009, 08:19:31 PM Where did the 'bro go?
::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Sleuth on April 10, 2009, 08:21:28 PM O/T ....sort of...but funny
(http://www.geenstijl.nl/muploaded/thailanddeghekste/bangkokdeghekste_gr.jpg) The caption is: Bangkok ligt plat. Geen zorgen, Joran van der Sloot heeft er niets mee te maken. Een stel taxichauffeurs die de voormalige premier Thaksin Shinawatra steunen hebben de boel geblokkeerd. Which translates to: Bangkok is flat. Do not worry, Joran van der Sloot has nothing to do with it. A couple of taxi drivers who support former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra have everything blocked. Source: www.geenstijl.nl Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 10, 2009, 08:26:50 PM Anna and Magnolia I'm really glad to hear that You two are alright after those storms. I hope and Pray that all Monkeys in the storms path are all OK....I have a friend who lives near Chattanooga TN and I have not been able to get ahold of Her.. ::MonkeyEek::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 10, 2009, 08:27:37 PM O/T ....sort of...but funny ::MonkeyHaHa::(http://www.geenstijl.nl/muploaded/thailanddeghekste/bangkokdeghekste_gr.jpg) The caption is: Bangkok ligt plat. Geen zorgen, Joran van der Sloot heeft er niets mee te maken. Een stel taxichauffeurs die de voormalige premier Thaksin Shinawatra steunen hebben de boel geblokkeerd. Which translates to: Bangkok is flat. Do not worry, Joran van der Sloot has nothing to do with it. A couple of taxi drivers who support former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra have everything blocked. Source: www.geenstijl.nl Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 10, 2009, 08:29:17 PM Oh Well I tried and it is the wrong kind of file and will not let Me post....Sorry for all the confusion....Got To Go... BBL! ::MonkeyCool:: I'll help you practice in the practice thread some day, if you wish. I didn't remember that bmp files wouldn't work. See you later. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 10, 2009, 08:34:38 PM Kermit - I'd like to put this on the timeline... but am unsure if I've understood it correctly. Does this mean that on 1/21/2008 Kyle met with Mos? Is there anything else you can share about this meeting? Would it be safe to assume that Silvetti and Richardson were there too? Quote 10 days before the Ranger Rover confession Kyle met downtown in public with Mos (date tapes were released, Jan. 31 st is when Beth saw them with DeVries) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: crazybabyborg on April 10, 2009, 08:47:07 PM Anna and Magnolia I'm really glad to hear that You two are alright after those storms. I hope and Pray that all Monkeys in the storms path are all OK....I have a friend who lives near Chattanooga TN and I have not been able to get ahold of Her.. ::MonkeyEek:: Hi Hotping! I've just turned my computer back on. Chattanooga is relatively close to me. I think your friend should be OK. The Nashville and Murfreesboro area has been hit REALLY hard...... several tornadoes and a lot of damage. Chattanooga, Knoxville, and TriCities (where I am) are generally in the same path and I've had storms, but am OK. ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 10, 2009, 09:04:03 PM Anna and Magnolia I'm really glad to hear that You two are alright after those storms. I hope and Pray that all Monkeys in the storms path are all OK....I have a friend who lives near Chattanooga TN and I have not been able to get ahold of Her.. ::MonkeyEek:: Hi Hotping! I've just turned my computer back on. Chattanooga is relatively close to me. I think your friend should be OK. The Nashville and Murfreesboro area has been hit REALLY hard...... several tornadoes and a lot of damage. Chattanooga, Knoxville, and TriCities (where I am) are generally in the same path and I've had storms, but am OK. ::MonkeyWink:: I'm close to both Murfreesboro and Nashville. Nashville is ok, one funnel cloud spotted north of the city but no damage there. Murfreesboro is very hard hit. Last estimate I heard was hundreds of homes are damaged with around 50 homes completely destroyed, two deaths and 41 injuries - only 7 critical, most treat and release. There is also some damage further to the Northeast in Cottontown/northern Sumner county, but not nearly as extensive and no injuries there. We haven't heard reports yet from the Manchester, McMinnville, Winchester areas, which may have as well sustained some damage. These are all small towns to the southeast of Murfreesboro and are closer to the Chattanooga area. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 10, 2009, 09:09:57 PM Thank You Lifesong and CBB I did finally get ahold of Her a few minutes ago and She is OK! ::cartwheel:: I'm Glad all Monkeys seem to be OK so far.....I will Pray for the Families of the Lost and for the Injured....
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 10, 2009, 09:17:13 PM Monkeys ... I wish you could all come to the safety of the Fraser Valley of British Columbia and stay with me until these storms have passed.
::MonkeyWaa:: Magnolia and AZSunny could bring their spiked sweet tea and ... we could all laugh and laugh and laugh while we shared stories. ::MonkeyTongue:: Hugs Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 10, 2009, 09:40:07 PM Reported Tornado Kills 2, Injures 32 in Tennessee, Kentucky
Friday, April 10, 2009 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,514256,00.html Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Blue Moon on April 10, 2009, 09:52:59 PM Reported Tornado Kills 2, Injures 32 in Tennessee, Kentucky Friday, April 10, 2009 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,514256,00.html Murfreesboro, TN is BAD, the ones in Kentucky are in Hopkinsville and I think in Owensboro. We had severe storms here and tornado watches but we skirted it again. Eleven years ago today we had a tornado and baseball-size hail that torn up our city from one end to another. My mother was in the hospital (had a stroke) and they moved patients out of their rooms into hallway but didn't have time to move my mother so the doctors and nurses covered her up and they all layed over her to protect her from the storm. You have to love doctors and nurses who put themselves in danger to save a patient who had no idea what was happening around her. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 10, 2009, 09:55:23 PM Monkeys ... I wish you could all come to the safety of the Fraser Valley of British Columbia and stay with me until these storms have passed. ::MonkeyWaa:: Magnolia and AZSunny could bring their spiked sweet tea and ... we could all laugh and laugh and laugh while we shared stories. ::MonkeyTongue:: Hugs Janet Janet, you have given me a new comforting thought to enjoy during my next trip to the Storm Room! In my own mind's eye I'm certain that Anna will be there too... as I believe that the spiked sweet tea, laughing and laughing and laughing while sharing stories with Magnolia, AZSunny, and Tamikosmom in the beautiful Fraser Valley would inevitably lead to a very exciting game of Scrabble! May we have ham, yogurt and hot cross buns? ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Kermit on April 10, 2009, 10:01:12 PM Kermit - I'd like to put this on the timeline... but am unsure if I've understood it correctly. Does this mean that on 1/21/2008 Kyle met with Mos? Is there anything else you can share about this meeting? Would it be safe to assume that Silvetti and Richardson were there too? Quote 10 days before the Ranger Rover confession Kyle met downtown in public with Mos (date tapes were released, Jan. 31 st is when Beth saw them with DeVries) Kyle said 10 days before the announcement of the DeVries tapes he met with Mos downtown in public. Hans asked Kyle when he was going home and Kyle said you tell me. To which Hans hesitated. Kyle said "It was clear to me that he knew something big that we didn't. I picked up on this and looked right into his eyes and asked him "Hans, between you and I, when will my family see me again? He looked around for anyone watching or listening leaned forward and said into my ear. "ten days". He then turned and walked way without saying another word." "Well, 10 days later the announcement was made about the existence of the land rover tapes." Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Blue Moon on April 10, 2009, 10:06:41 PM Kermit - I'd like to put this on the timeline... but am unsure if I've understood it correctly. Does this mean that on 1/21/2008 Kyle met with Mos? Is there anything else you can share about this meeting? Would it be safe to assume that Silvetti and Richardson were there too? Quote 10 days before the Ranger Rover confession Kyle met downtown in public with Mos (date tapes were released, Jan. 31 st is when Beth saw them with DeVries) Kyle said 10 days before the announcement of the DeVries tapes he met with Mos downtown in public. Hans asked Kyle when he was going home and Kyle said you tell me. To which Hans hesitated. Kyle said "It was clear to me that he knew something big that we didn't. I picked up on this and looked right into his eyes and asked him "Hans, between you and I, when will my family see me again? He looked around for anyone watching or listening leaned forward and said into my ear. "ten days". He then turned and walked way without saying another word." "Well, 10 days later the announcement was made about the existence of the land rover tapes." What was Mos meeting with Kyle for? Kyle was just a ROV operator not the owner of the ship. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 10, 2009, 10:09:38 PM Monkeys ... I wish you could all come to the safety of the Fraser Valley of British Columbia and stay with me until these storms have passed. ::MonkeyWaa:: Magnolia and AZSunny could bring their spiked sweet tea and ... we could all laugh and laugh and laugh while we shared stories. ::MonkeyTongue:: Hugs Janet Janet, you have given me a new comforting thought to enjoy during my next trip to the Storm Room! In my own mind's eye I'm certain that Anna will be there too... as I believe that the spiked sweet tea, laughing and laughing and laughing while sharing stories with Magnolia, AZSunny, and Tamikosmom in the beautiful Fraser Valley would inevitably lead to a very exciting game of Scrabble! May we have ham, yogurt and hot cross buns? ::MonkeyHaHa:: You bet! ... with scrambled eggs and hashed browns. Hubby may whip up some sushi rolls and ... then there is Safeway's carrot cake I could pick up lickity split. A pot of Tim Horton's coffee and a pot of green tea would also be where it was at. Magnolia and AZSunny could secretly spike those along with the sweet tea. ::MonkeyHaHa:: I hope you are having a good day Lifesong. Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 10, 2009, 10:22:08 PM Prayers and blessings for all those in the storm areas...
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 10, 2009, 10:26:04 PM It has been a humbling day, the kind that stirs up a great reverence and a most powerful sense of gratitude. In some ways, a very fitting Good Friday. Local News sites: (http://www.wsmv.com/2009/0410/19150525_200X150.jpg) WSMV Channel 4 (http://www.wsmv.com) / NBC Affiliate / Nashville, TN (http://wtvf.images.worldnow.com/images/10164123_BG3.jpg) WTVF Newschannel 5 (http://www.newschannel5.com) / CBS Affiliate / Nashville, TN (http://wkrn.images.worldnow.com/images/10164304_BG2.jpg) WKRN Channel 2 (http://www.wkrn.com) / ABC Affiliate / Nashville, TN Newspapers: (http://cmsimg.tennessean.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Site=DN&Date=20090410&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=904100835&Ref=PH&Item=2&Maxw=542&Maxh=352&q=60) The Tennessean (http://www.tennessean.com) / Nashville-MidState daily (http://cmsimg.dnj.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=D4&Date=20090410&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=90410042&Ref=AR&Profile=1002&MaxW=550&MaxH=650&title=0) The Daily News Journal (http://www.dnj.com) / Murfreesboro daily TORNADO UPDATE: Mother and infant daughter dead, 41 injured, 250 homes damaged or destroyed Eyewitnesses: At least 1 tornado and possibly 4 swept through county Full Story (http://www.dnj.com/article/20090410/NEWS01/90410042) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 10, 2009, 10:37:39 PM HAPPY EASTER TO ALL THE MONKEYS JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: MuffyBee on April 10, 2009, 10:39:22 PM HAPPY EASTER TO ALL THE MONKEYS JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY Back at ya', KTF. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 10, 2009, 10:40:31 PM HAPPY EASTER TO ALL THE MONKEYS JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: AZSunny on April 10, 2009, 10:41:55 PM It has been a humbling day, the kind that stirs up a great reverence and a most powerful sense of gratitude. In some ways, a very fitting Good Friday. Local News sites: (http://www.wsmv.com/2009/0410/19150525_200X150.jpg) WSMV Channel 4 (http://www.wsmv.com) / NBC Affiliate / Nashville, TN (http://wtvf.images.worldnow.com/images/10164123_BG3.jpg) WTVF Newschannel 5 (http://www.newschannel5.com) / CBS Affiliate / Nashville, TN (http://wkrn.images.worldnow.com/images/10164304_BG2.jpg) WKRN Channel 2 (http://www.wkrn.com) / ABC Affiliate / Nashville, TN Newspapers: (http://cmsimg.tennessean.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Site=DN&Date=20090410&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=904100835&Ref=PH&Item=2&Maxw=542&Maxh=352&q=60) The Tennessean (http://www.tennessean.com) / Nashville-MidState daily (http://cmsimg.dnj.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=D4&Date=20090410&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=90410042&Ref=AR&Profile=1002&MaxW=550&MaxH=650&title=0) The Daily News Journal (http://www.dnj.com) / Murfreesboro daily TORNADO UPDATE: Mother and infant daughter dead, 41 injured, 250 homes damaged or destroyed Eyewitnesses: At least 1 tornado and possibly 4 swept through county Full Story (http://www.dnj.com/article/20090410/NEWS01/90410042) Thanks Lifesong. Prayers for all those that lost their homes and those killed or injured. Here I am sitting in Arizona, and dreading the thunderstorm that should arrive this weekend. We need the rain, but I hate the lightening. I wouldn't do well in your area. Thanks for the news. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 10, 2009, 10:42:12 PM Kermit - I'd like to put this on the timeline... but am unsure if I've understood it correctly. Does this mean that on 1/21/2008 Kyle met with Mos? Is there anything else you can share about this meeting? Would it be safe to assume that Silvetti and Richardson were there too? Quote 10 days before the Ranger Rover confession Kyle met downtown in public with Mos (date tapes were released, Jan. 31 st is when Beth saw them with DeVries) Kyle said 10 days before the announcement of the DeVries tapes he met with Mos downtown in public. Hans asked Kyle when he was going home and Kyle said you tell me. To which Hans hesitated. Kyle said "It was clear to me that he knew something big that we didn't. I picked up on this and looked right into his eyes and asked him "Hans, between you and I, when will my family see me again? He looked around for anyone watching or listening leaned forward and said into my ear. "ten days". He then turned and walked way without saying another word." "Well, 10 days later the announcement was made about the existence of the land rover tapes." Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 10, 2009, 10:42:17 PM Keepthefaith
You are also invited to the gathering of Monkeys who are taking refuge from the Fraser Valley. I know that you could be here lickity split. However ... there are often lineups at that border. Make sure to use the truck crossing. Happy Easter Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 10, 2009, 10:47:30 PM Keepthefaith You are also invited to the gathering of Monkeys who are taking refuge from the Fraser Valley. I know that you could be here lickity split. However ... there are often lineups at that border. Make sure to use the truck crossing. Happy Easter Janet ::MonkeyHaHa:: Be careful what you ask for Janet..I will call Klaas to load up the big yellow Monkey bus with all of us Monkey's..It would be monkeyrrific!!! ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 10, 2009, 10:54:01 PM Kermit - I'd like to put this on the timeline... but am unsure if I've understood it correctly. Does this mean that on 1/21/2008 Kyle met with Mos? Is there anything else you can share about this meeting? Would it be safe to assume that Silvetti and Richardson were there too? Quote 10 days before the Ranger Rover confession Kyle met downtown in public with Mos (date tapes were released, Jan. 31 st is when Beth saw them with DeVries) Kyle said 10 days before the announcement of the DeVries tapes he met with Mos downtown in public. Hans asked Kyle when he was going home and Kyle said you tell me. To which Hans hesitated. Kyle said "It was clear to me that he knew something big that we didn't. I picked up on this and looked right into his eyes and asked him "Hans, between you and I, when will my family see me again? He looked around for anyone watching or listening leaned forward and said into my ear. "ten days". He then turned and walked way without saying another word." "Well, 10 days later the announcement was made about the existence of the land rover tapes." Thank you, Kermit! I wonder if it was an actual meeting or if Kyle just ran into Mos downtown... the part about Mos just walking away without another word makes me think it could be the latter. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 10, 2009, 10:57:56 PM Case Number: BC363201 DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW Documents Filed (Filing dates listed in descending order) Click on any of the below link(s) to see documents filed on or before the date indicated: 08/25/2008 12/26/2007 07/25/2007 01/19/2007 04/06/2009 Objection Document (TO THE DECLS. OF JESSICA L. LESNIEWSKI, DEEPAK KALPOE AND SATISH KALPOE, ETC. ) Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent 04/01/2009 Declaration (OF JESSICA L. LESNIEWSKI, ETC. ) Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner 04/01/2009 Proof of Service Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner Two documents in PDF format below. Note I'm testing a new watermark for PDF's that San showed me ::MonkeyHaHa:: Great watermarks Klaas. Looks like the lawyer for Deepak and Satish messed up and now is using an underhanded way to get this before the court even if it is not permissable. JMO SAN found that program! It's frustrating because nobody else is willing to pay for these documents except us. Others are welcome to view them and post on their websites but copying won't be quite as easy as it was ::MonkeyHaHa:: I'm behind, but just want to say 'I love San'...she's the best. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 10, 2009, 10:58:48 PM Thanx MuffyBee & Hotping...
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 10, 2009, 11:00:31 PM Kermit - I'd like to put this on the timeline... but am unsure if I've understood it correctly. Does this mean that on 1/21/2008 Kyle met with Mos? Is there anything else you can share about this meeting? Would it be safe to assume that Silvetti and Richardson were there too? Quote 10 days before the Ranger Rover confession Kyle met downtown in public with Mos (date tapes were released, Jan. 31 st is when Beth saw them with DeVries) Kyle said 10 days before the announcement of the DeVries tapes he met with Mos downtown in public.Hans asked Kyle when he was going home and Kyle said you tell me. To which Hans hesitated. Kyle said "It was clear to me that he knew something big that we didn't. I picked up on this and looked right into his eyes and asked him "Hans, between you and I, when will my family see me again? He looked around for anyone watching or listening leaned forward and said into my ear. "ten days". He then turned and walked way without saying another word." "Well, 10 days later the announcement was made about the existence of the land rover tapes." Thank you, Kermit! I wonder if it was an actual meeting or if Kyle just ran into Mos downtown... the part about Mos just walking away without another word makes me think it could be the latter. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 10, 2009, 11:03:23 PM Kyle said 10 days before the announcement of the DeVries tapes he met with Mos downtown in public. Hans asked Kyle when he was going home and Kyle said you tell me. To which Hans hesitated. Kyle said "It was clear to me that he knew something big that we didn't. I picked up on this and looked right into his eyes and asked him "Hans, between you and I, when will my family see me again? He looked around for anyone watching or listening leaned forward and said into my ear. "ten days". He then turned and walked way without saying another word." "Well, 10 days later the announcement was made about the existence of the land rover tapes." Wait a minute... ::MonkeyConfused:: The more I think about this, the less sense it makes...right? Why would they be leaving in 10 days upon the release of the tapes, when Joran says on those tapes that she's in the ocean? That doesn't even make a lick of sense. Does it? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 10, 2009, 11:07:18 PM Keepthefaith You are also invited to the gathering of Monkeys who are taking refuge from the Fraser Valley. I know that you could be here lickity split. However ... there are often lineups at that border. Make sure to use the truck crossing. Happy Easter Janet ::MonkeyHaHa:: Be careful what you ask for Janet..I will call Klaas to load up the big yellow Monkey bus with all of us Monkey's..It would be monkeyrrific!!! ::MonkeyWink:: Count me in on all of the gathering! And little IBE who has always wanted a monkey get together. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 10, 2009, 11:11:02 PM Kyle said 10 days before the announcement of the DeVries tapes he met with Mos downtown in public. Hans asked Kyle when he was going home and Kyle said you tell me. To which Hans hesitated. Kyle said "It was clear to me that he knew something big that we didn't. I picked up on this and looked right into his eyes and asked him "Hans, between you and I, when will my family see me again? He looked around for anyone watching or listening leaned forward and said into my ear. "ten days". He then turned and walked way without saying another word." "Well, 10 days later the announcement was made about the existence of the land rover tapes." Wait a minute... ::MonkeyConfused:: The more I think about this, the less sense it makes...right? Why would they be leaving in 10 days upon the release of the tapes, when Joran says on those tapes that she's in the ocean? That doesn't even make a lick of sense. Does it? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 10, 2009, 11:13:52 PM Keepthefaith You are also invited to the gathering of Monkeys who are taking refuge from the Fraser Valley. I know that you could be here lickity split. However ... there are often lineups at that border. Make sure to use the truck crossing. Happy Easter Janet ::MonkeyHaHa:: Be careful what you ask for Janet..I will call Klaas to load up the big yellow Monkey bus with all of us Monkey's..It would be monkeyrrific!!! ::MonkeyWink:: Count me in on all of the gathering! And little IBE who has always wanted a monkey get together. And we can all do the HINKY! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 10, 2009, 11:16:23 PM Keepthefaith You are also invited to the gathering of Monkeys who are taking refuge from the Fraser Valley. I know that you could be here lickity split. However ... there are often lineups at that border. Make sure to use the truck crossing. Happy Easter Janet ::MonkeyHaHa:: Be careful what you ask for Janet..I will call Klaas to load up the big yellow Monkey bus with all of us Monkey's..It would be monkeyrrific!!! ::MonkeyWink:: Count me in on all of the gathering! And little IBE who has always wanted a monkey get together. And we can all do the HINKY! Yes, we would! ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 10, 2009, 11:17:16 PM Keepthefaith You are also invited to the gathering of Monkeys who are taking refuge from the Fraser Valley. I know that you could be here lickity split. However ... there are often lineups at that border. Make sure to use the truck crossing. Happy Easter Janet ::MonkeyHaHa:: Be careful what you ask for Janet..I will call Klaas to load up the big yellow Monkey bus with all of us Monkey's..It would be monkeyrrific!!! ::MonkeyWink:: Count me in on all of the gathering! And little IBE who has always wanted a monkey get together. And we can all do the HINKY! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 10, 2009, 11:19:00 PM Keepthefaith You are also invited to the gathering of Monkeys who are taking refuge from the Fraser Valley. I know that you could be here lickity split. However ... there are often lineups at that border. Make sure to use the truck crossing. Happy Easter Janet ::MonkeyHaHa:: Be careful what you ask for Janet..I will call Klaas to load up the big yellow Monkey bus with all of us Monkey's..It would be monkeyrrific!!! ::MonkeyWink:: Count me in on all of the gathering! And little IBE who has always wanted a monkey get together. And we can all do the HINKY! (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/dancinggrandma.gif) (http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t209/60SHOTWAX/dancinggranny.gif) (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/dancinggrandma.gif) (http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t209/60SHOTWAX/dancinggranny.gif) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 10, 2009, 11:23:00 PM Keepthefaith You are also invited to the gathering of Monkeys who are taking refuge from the Fraser Valley. I know that you could be here lickity split. However ... there are often lineups at that border. Make sure to use the truck crossing. Happy Easter Janet ::MonkeyHaHa:: Be careful what you ask for Janet..I will call Klaas to load up the big yellow Monkey bus with all of us Monkey's..It would be monkeyrrific!!! ::MonkeyWink:: Count me in on all of the gathering! And little IBE who has always wanted a monkey get together. And we can all do the HINKY! Hotping ALL of us Monkeys will be there. Nevertheless ... a recording of the event is a given. Hugs Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: AZSunny on April 10, 2009, 11:28:05 PM Keepthefaith You are also invited to the gathering of Monkeys who are taking refuge from the Fraser Valley. I know that you could be here lickity split. However ... there are often lineups at that border. Make sure to use the truck crossing. Happy Easter Janet ::MonkeyHaHa:: Be careful what you ask for Janet..I will call Klaas to load up the big yellow Monkey bus with all of us Monkey's..It would be monkeyrrific!!! ::MonkeyWink:: Count me in on all of the gathering! And little IBE who has always wanted a monkey get together. And we can all do the HINKY! Are you making all this sweet tea, or am I? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: AZSunny on April 10, 2009, 11:29:57 PM Keepthefaith You are also invited to the gathering of Monkeys who are taking refuge from the Fraser Valley. I know that you could be here lickity split. However ... there are often lineups at that border. Make sure to use the truck crossing. Happy Easter Janet ::MonkeyHaHa:: Be careful what you ask for Janet..I will call Klaas to load up the big yellow Monkey bus with all of us Monkey's..It would be monkeyrrific!!! ::MonkeyWink:: Count me in on all of the gathering! And little IBE who has always wanted a monkey get together. And we can all do the HINKY! Hotping ALL of us Monkeys will be there. Nevertheless ... a recording of the event is a given. Hugs Janet particularly of Janet dancing! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 10, 2009, 11:36:45 PM Hotping ALL of us Monkeys will be there. Nevertheless ... a recording of the event is a given. Hugs Janet particularly of Janet dancing! ::cartwheel:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 10, 2009, 11:38:44 PM Keepthefaith You are also invited to the gathering of Monkeys who are taking refuge from the Fraser Valley. I know that you could be here lickity split. However ... there are often lineups at that border. Make sure to use the truck crossing. Happy Easter Janet ::MonkeyHaHa:: Be careful what you ask for Janet..I will call Klaas to load up the big yellow Monkey bus with all of us Monkey's..It would be monkeyrrific!!! ::MonkeyWink:: Count me in on all of the gathering! And little IBE who has always wanted a monkey get together. And we can all do the HINKY! Hotping ALL of us Monkeys will be there. Nevertheless ... a recording of the event is a given. Hugs Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 10, 2009, 11:45:26 PM You will have to come, too, hotping. And we can't let people who do not attend see!
Only those in attendance should get to see that so would just have to come along! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 10, 2009, 11:48:08 PM A year ago September ... several couples from our church took up line-dancing at the local community center ... one a week for about three months. If I say so myself ... we did great. It was so much fun. I wish we had done it again last September but ... nobody initiated it and so ... it did not happend.
Anyways ... one lady's husband has MS and could not participate ... so he took videos. Well ... one Sunday during the first service ... rather than the lyrics of the next worship song appearing on the overhead screen ... a video of about a dozen members of the congregation aged 55 and up appeared line dancing. It took me back a bit at first but ... when all was said and done all 200 at that service laughed so hard there was not a dry eye. So ... who says that Christians are not fun and ... pastors do not have a sense of humor? ::MonkeyHaHa:: Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 10, 2009, 11:54:26 PM A year ago September ... several couples from our church took up line-dancing at the local community center ... one a week for about three months. If I say so myself ... we did great. It was so much fun. I wish we had done it again last September but ... nobody initiated it and so ... it did not happend. ::MonkeyHaHa::Anyways ... one lady's husband has MS and could not participate ... so he took videos. Well ... one Sunday during the first service ... rather than the lyrics of the next worship song appearing on the overhead screen ... a video of about a dozen members of the congregation aged 55 and up appeared line dancing. It took me back a bit at first but ... when all was said and done all 200 at that service laughed so hard there was not a dry eye. So ... who says that Christians are not fun and ... pastors do not have a sense of humor? ::MonkeyHaHa:: Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 10, 2009, 11:56:26 PM Good Night Monkeys...I've got to get My rest for I have lots of yard work to do tomorrow before the rain hits in the afternoon or early evening......
Have a Great Easter Weekend Everyone! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 11, 2009, 12:01:09 AM A year ago September ... several couples from our church took up line-dancing at the local community center ... one a week for about three months. If I say so myself ... we did great. It was so much fun. I wish we had done it again last September but ... nobody initiated it and so ... it did not happend. Anyways ... one lady's husband has MS and could not participate ... so he took videos. Well ... one Sunday during the first service ... rather than the lyrics of the next worship song appearing on the overhead screen ... a video of about a dozen members of the congregation aged 55 and up appeared line dancing. It took me back a bit at first but ... when all was said and done all 200 at that service laughed so hard there was not a dry eye. So ... who says that Christians are not fun and ... pastors do not have a sense of humor? ::MonkeyHaHa:: Janet ::MonkeyHaHa:: And then I bet the projectionist tried to say it was an accident! ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 11, 2009, 12:01:58 AM Happy Easter Hotping.
Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 11, 2009, 12:02:37 AM Kyle said 10 days before the announcement of the DeVries tapes he met with Mos downtown in public. Hans asked Kyle when he was going home and Kyle said you tell me. To which Hans hesitated. Kyle said "It was clear to me that he knew something big that we didn't. I picked up on this and looked right into his eyes and asked him "Hans, between you and I, when will my family see me again? He looked around for anyone watching or listening leaned forward and said into my ear. "ten days". He then turned and walked way without saying another word." "Well, 10 days later the announcement was made about the existence of the land rover tapes." Wait a minute... ::MonkeyConfused:: The more I think about this, the less sense it makes...right? Why would they be leaving in 10 days upon the release of the tapes, when Joran says on those tapes that she's in the ocean? That doesn't even make a lick of sense. Does it? 1/31/2008 - News breaks the DeVries has new evidence and has solved the case / Beth views the tapes in Holland. 2/03/2008 - Peter R. DeVries show airs with the tapes 2/08/2008 - Tapes air in the US on ABC's 20/20 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: MuffyBee on April 11, 2009, 12:02:52 AM Good night hotping. Pleasant dreams.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 11, 2009, 12:06:18 AM (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Greetings/Holidays/thPicture365.jpg)
Goodnite, all! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 11, 2009, 12:07:19 AM Keepthefaith You are also invited to the gathering of Monkeys who are taking refuge from the Fraser Valley. I know that you could be here lickity split. However ... there are often lineups at that border. Make sure to use the truck crossing. Happy Easter Janet ::MonkeyHaHa:: Be careful what you ask for Janet..I will call Klaas to load up the big yellow Monkey bus with all of us Monkey's..It would be monkeyrrific!!! ::MonkeyWink:: Count me in on all of the gathering! And little IBE who has always wanted a monkey get together. And we can all do the HINKY! Are you making all this sweet tea, or am I? You make the sweet tea AZSunny, and I will bring the blueberry wine. ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 11, 2009, 12:19:19 AM Kyle said 10 days before the announcement of the DeVries tapes he met with Mos downtown in public. Hans asked Kyle when he was going home and Kyle said you tell me. To which Hans hesitated. Kyle said "It was clear to me that he knew something big that we didn't. I picked up on this and looked right into his eyes and asked him "Hans, between you and I, when will my family see me again? He looked around for anyone watching or listening leaned forward and said into my ear. "ten days". He then turned and walked way without saying another word." "Well, 10 days later the announcement was made about the existence of the land rover tapes." Wait a minute... ::MonkeyConfused:: The more I think about this, the less sense it makes...right? Why would they be leaving in 10 days upon the release of the tapes, when Joran says on those tapes that she's in the ocean? That doesn't even make a lick of sense. Does it? 1/31/2008 - News breaks the DeVries has new evidence and has solved the case / Beth views the tapes in Holland. 2/03/2008 - Peter R. DeVries show airs with the tapes 2/08/2008 - Tapes air in the US on ABC's 20/20 Not long before the Range Rover tapes were aired, Devries himself took copies of the tapes to Aruba and handed them over to Mos. It was said at RU that Mos and DeVries were seen having lunch with some others. Maybe it was then? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 11, 2009, 12:25:56 AM Kyle said 10 days before the announcement of the DeVries tapes he met with Mos downtown in public. Hans asked Kyle when he was going home and Kyle said you tell me. To which Hans hesitated. Kyle said "It was clear to me that he knew something big that we didn't. I picked up on this and looked right into his eyes and asked him "Hans, between you and I, when will my family see me again? He looked around for anyone watching or listening leaned forward and said into my ear. "ten days". He then turned and walked way without saying another word." "Well, 10 days later the announcement was made about the existence of the land rover tapes." Wait a minute... ::MonkeyConfused:: The more I think about this, the less sense it makes...right? Why would they be leaving in 10 days upon the release of the tapes, when Joran says on those tapes that she's in the ocean? That doesn't even make a lick of sense. Does it? 1/31/2008 - News breaks the DeVries has new evidence and has solved the case / Beth views the tapes in Holland. 2/03/2008 - Peter R. DeVries show airs with the tapes 2/08/2008 - Tapes air in the US on ABC's 20/20 1/24/2008 - Mos sees DeVries evidence (http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?id=4222253&page=2) 1/31/2008 - News breaks the DeVries has new evidence and has solved the case / Beth views the tapes in Holland. 2/03/2008 - Peter R. DeVries show airs with the tapes 2/08/2008 - Tapes air in the US on ABC's 20/20 I don't think it could be 10 days before 1/31, which would be the 21st, because Mos didn't see the evidence until 1/24. 10 days before 2/03, the DeVries broadcast of the tapes, would've been 1/25, I think. Hinky. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 11, 2009, 12:33:52 AM Kyle said 10 days before the announcement of the DeVries tapes he met with Mos downtown in public. Hans asked Kyle when he was going home and Kyle said you tell me. To which Hans hesitated. Kyle said "It was clear to me that he knew something big that we didn't. I picked up on this and looked right into his eyes and asked him "Hans, between you and I, when will my family see me again? He looked around for anyone watching or listening leaned forward and said into my ear. "ten days". He then turned and walked way without saying another word." "Well, 10 days later the announcement was made about the existence of the land rover tapes." <<snipped>> Why would they be leaving in 10 days upon the release of the tapes, when Joran says on those tapes that she's in the ocean? That doesn't even make a lick of sense. Does it? 1/31/2008 - News breaks the DeVries has new evidence and has solved the case / Beth views the tapes in Holland. 2/03/2008 - Peter R. DeVries show airs with the tapes 2/08/2008 - Tapes air in the US on ABC's 20/20 Not long before the Range Rover tapes were aired, Devries himself took copies of the tapes to Aruba and handed them over to Mos. It was said at RU that Mos and DeVries were seen having lunch with some others. Maybe it was then? Thanks, Magnolia! I was just looking that up... ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: billb's daughter on April 11, 2009, 02:03:38 AM Kyle said 10 days before the announcement of the DeVries tapes he met with Mos downtown in public. Hans asked Kyle when he was going home and Kyle said you tell me. To which Hans hesitated. Kyle said "It was clear to me that he knew something big that we didn't. I picked up on this and looked right into his eyes and asked him "Hans, between you and I, when will my family see me again? He looked around for anyone watching or listening leaned forward and said into my ear. "ten days". He then turned and walked way without saying another word." "Well, 10 days later the announcement was made about the existence of the land rover tapes." <<snipped>> Why would they be leaving in 10 days upon the release of the tapes, when Joran says on those tapes that she's in the ocean? That doesn't even make a lick of sense. Does it? 1/31/2008 - News breaks the DeVries has new evidence and has solved the case / Beth views the tapes in Holland. 2/03/2008 - Peter R. DeVries show airs with the tapes 2/08/2008 - Tapes air in the US on ABC's 20/20 Not long before the Range Rover tapes were aired, Devries himself took copies of the tapes to Aruba and handed them over to Mos. It was said at RU that Mos and DeVries were seen having lunch with some others. Maybe it was then? Thanks, Magnolia! I was just looking that up... ::MonkeyWink:: Didn't Mos have urine picked up in Oct/Nov 07 on the supposedly "new evidence" that even JQK said wasn't anything new? But that raised the bar for any next arrest. If Mos told Kyle on or about 21 Jan that something would happen in 10 days...PRIOR to Mos meeting with Peter dvs (24 Jan) what does that imply? Could Mos have known about Peter's sting before he had urine picked up? Hinky..... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 11, 2009, 02:08:51 AM (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg) Truth & Justice for Natalee! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 11, 2009, 02:16:36 AM Billb... ::MonkeyCool:: Wishin you and yours a Happy Easter.....
JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: wreck on April 11, 2009, 02:23:52 AM I have been gone all day...... was Devries shot????? ::MonkeyEek::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 11, 2009, 02:24:56 AM Billb... ::MonkeyCool:: Wishin you and yours a Happy Easter..... JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED HAPPY EASTER WRECK AND FAMILY I GOT FIVE DOLLARS SAY'S I FIND MORE EGGS THEN YOU AND BILLB.... ::MonkeyLaugh:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 11, 2009, 02:26:52 AM I have been gone all day...... was Devries shot????? ::MonkeyEek:: Not that i'm aware of Wreck.I would think it would make the American news cycle... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: wreck on April 11, 2009, 02:33:15 AM I have been gone all day...... was Devries shot????? ::MonkeyEek:: Not that i'm aware of Wreck.I would think it would make the American news cycle... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: MuffyBee on April 11, 2009, 02:42:01 AM I have been gone all day...... was Devries shot????? ::MonkeyEek:: Not that i'm aware of Wreck.I would think it would make the American news cycle... Post by EURobert: Quote BREAKING NEWS: PETER R. DE VRIES SHOT! (As I read this headline I thought: Oh no... Only last sunday he did a show on a very ruthless criminal and murderer that even went as far as killing his own brother [and brother in crime]... That must have been the one who shot Peter...) http://tinyurl.com/cnx7uh http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4827.msg761696#msg761696 Post by Caesu: Quote PRdV: 20 years ago with an accident. bullet still present in his head... if someone is wondering where i've been. i am very busy with all kinds of business the last few weeks and likely increasingly in the coming months. but i will keep following developments on the Dutch side, especially about the political angle. Peter R. de Vries season also started, there will be a Natalee follow up program - if not this season surely the next. don't hesitate to contact if translation / explanation, or anything else is needed: caesu@planet.nl will also be more often and for longer periods in US, West Coast, mainly Seattle, WA. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4827.msg761703#msg761703 So it looks to me Peter de Vries was shot 20 years ago, and still has bullet in his head. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 11, 2009, 08:41:35 AM Good Morning, Monkeys!
O/T We are still digging out from the storms. I said yesterday I didn't believe three inch hail but apparently it did happen. I can only remember one other time in my lifetime that this occurred. Was not this large in my area, only golfball size. A total of 38 tornadoes were reported in the Tennessee Valley and the Southeast on Friday. One of these tornadoes reported was only one mile south of Augusta National Golf Club, the home of the Masters, which continues through this weekend. On Thursday, a tornado touched down in Mena, Ark., killing three and injuring 30. A few showers and storms will clear out of the eastern Carolinas and northern Florida by midday as drier air follows a cold front moving across the area. The region will stay dry through the rest of the weekend, and no extreme temperature fluctuations are expected to interfere with clean-up efforts. Another system will approach Sunday night into Monday, returning rain and the threat of storms to the Mississippi Valley and the Deep South. (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/2009/14623452-10124955.jpg) (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/2009/14794416-10155333.jpg) (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/2009/46160714.jpg) Photos from the news. So if it is going to happen again Sunday night, I am packing to go to Janet's house for sure! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 11, 2009, 08:49:28 AM Billb... ::MonkeyCool:: Wishin you and yours a Happy Easter..... JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED HAPPY EASTER WRECK AND FAMILY I GOT FIVE DOLLARS SAY'S I FIND MORE EGGS THEN YOU AND BILLB.... ::MonkeyLaugh:: KTF, I am going to find the "Prize Egg." Did you have those as a child? It was usually golden colored and whoever found it got a prize. Oddly enough, the prize was always that chocolate rabbit. Later it was plastic and had money inside. Better deal. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 11, 2009, 08:51:07 AM O/T I guess everyone knows there has been an arrest in the Sandra Cantu investigation?
The Sunday School teacher and I believe mother of the child Sandra was supposed to have been visiting. Kidnapping and murder are the charges. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 11, 2009, 09:12:58 AM Kyle said 10 days before the announcement of the DeVries tapes he met with Mos downtown in public. Hans asked Kyle when he was going home and Kyle said you tell me. To which Hans hesitated. Kyle said "It was clear to me that he knew something big that we didn't. I picked up on this and looked right into his eyes and asked him "Hans, between you and I, when will my family see me again? He looked around for anyone watching or listening leaned forward and said into my ear. "ten days". He then turned and walked way without saying another word." "Well, 10 days later the announcement was made about the existence of the land rover tapes." <<snipped>> Why would they be leaving in 10 days upon the release of the tapes, when Joran says on those tapes that she's in the ocean? That doesn't even make a lick of sense. Does it? 1/31/2008 - News breaks the DeVries has new evidence and has solved the case / Beth views the tapes in Holland. 2/03/2008 - Peter R. DeVries show airs with the tapes 2/08/2008 - Tapes air in the US on ABC's 20/20 Not long before the Range Rover tapes were aired, Devries himself took copies of the tapes to Aruba and handed them over to Mos. It was said at RU that Mos and DeVries were seen having lunch with some others. Maybe it was then? Thanks, Magnolia! I was just looking that up... ::MonkeyWink:: There was major hinkiness with someone saying a friend of Joran's had infiltrated and recorded around the time of that arrest. Some of us even speculated that Joran was arrested to clue him in as to what was going on, that he was being set up when it later came out about the Rover tapes. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 11, 2009, 09:43:25 AM billb and Anna - I hear ya! Isn't it interesting that Caps' multi-personalities fed on that distrust by putting out lots of misinformation about Patrick and generally attempting to discredit DeVries, Patrick, and Joran's confession? I can't figure out why they would have done that if they are Kalpoe-buddies though. Joran exhonerated the Kalpoe's in those tapes, right? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 11, 2009, 09:54:37 AM billb and Anna - I hear ya! Isn't it interesting that Caps' multi-personalities fed on that distrust by putting out lots of misinformation about Patrick and generally attempting to discredit DeVries, Patrick, and Joran's confession? I can't figure out why they would have done that if they are Kalpoe-buddies though. Joran exhonerated the Kalpoe's in those tapes, right? On the re-arrest, it was suggested that information had been obtained by an infiltrator. That turned out not to be the case at all but at that particular time, de Vries was actually infiltrating. So was Joran arrested so they could warn him? I don't know what was up with that but remember how upset CLW was when de Vries claimed to have solved the case? Maybe they thought they would get a reward or something? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: San on April 11, 2009, 12:28:05 PM I was looking back at old post and came across this one.
Paul Reynolds is on Fox and he said he has not heard what the new evidence is. Host said JQK it is not testimonial evidence in his judgement it is some something you can perceive perhaps some sort of scientific evidence does that give him a clue. Paul said they don't really have a clue. Paul said they greatly appreciate the efforts of the new team. Paul said he doesn't know exactly what they are looking for regarding the new ocean search but they always welcomed everyone that was willing to assist in the search and provide additional information. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: billb's daughter on April 11, 2009, 02:40:09 PM Billb... ::MonkeyCool:: Wishin you and yours a Happy Easter..... Keepthefaith...JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED Happy Easter to you and your loved ones also.... JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED HAPPY EASTER TO ALL May God BLESS Everyone! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 11, 2009, 04:07:43 PM Good afternoon Monkeys! ::MonkeyDance::
I hope everyone is having a great Easter weekend! I'm so thankful for the Lifetime movie coming out and the attention it will bring to Natalee's case. I'm sure no one here will be surprised that the usual suspects are already attacking it with their lies! ::MonkeyNoNo:: http://community.mylifetime.com/community/lmn/discussions/talk-about-natalee-holloway Case related pictures at this link: http://www.mylifetime.com/on-tv/movies/natalee-holloway/natalee-holloway-photos-of-the-true-story# The one with Beth and that POS Oduber...his expression says it all IMO....makes me MAD every time I see it! Lots of great family pictures with Natalee at this link. http://www.mylifetime.com/on-tv/movies/natalee-holloway/natalee-holloway-family-photos#id=1 Here are a few of them: (http://mylt.ltcdn.com/files/imagecache/photo_gallery_full/files/galleries/hollowayfamilygall-550x400-1.jpg) (http://mylt.ltcdn.com/files/imagecache/photo_gallery_full/files/galleries/hollowayfamilygall-550x400-12.jpg) (http://mylt.ltcdn.com/files/imagecache/photo_gallery_full/files/galleries/hollowayfamilygall-550x400-8.jpg) (http://mylt.ltcdn.com/files/imagecache/photo_gallery_full/files/galleries/hollowayfamilygall-550x400-31.jpg) (http://mylt.ltcdn.com/files/imagecache/photo_gallery_full/files/galleries/hollowayfamilygall-550x400-10.jpg) (http://mylt.ltcdn.com/files/imagecache/photo_gallery_full/files/galleries/hollowayfamilygall-550x400-19.jpg) Truth & Justice for Natalee! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: HAPPY EASTER MONKEYS! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: klaasend on April 11, 2009, 04:34:12 PM Thanks Texasmom - great photos!
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: MuffyBee on April 11, 2009, 04:57:54 PM Thank you for sharing the photos with us TM. It's hard to believe one so lovely is gone.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: mytime on April 11, 2009, 05:29:38 PM Excuse me please..........but we have another Birthday to
celebrate!! We just keep getting older!! ::MonkeyRoll:: Here is the link to CBB's birthday thread!! http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4842.0 Thank you and I hope you all have a wonder Easter!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: MuffyBee on April 11, 2009, 06:16:25 PM OT
Please go to each thread and wish these two monkeys a Happy Birthday! CBB's Birthday Thread: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4842.20 Deenie's Birthday Thread: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4843.msg763842#new Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Sleuth on April 11, 2009, 07:39:26 PM SAN found that program! It's frustrating because nobody else is willing to pay for these documents except us. Others are welcome to view them and post on their websites but copying won't be quite as easy as it was ::MonkeyHaHa:: Klaasend - you know that you can set the PDF so it can not be copied at all, or can't be printed, etc. Example below.. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 11, 2009, 07:59:57 PM http://www.24ora.com/content/view/8296/5/
Papiamentu translation: tourist owing to become bad y plane have to owing to return aruba saturday, 11 april 2009 - 16:08 capitan of one plane of united airlines cu owing to end of arise vuelo for of aruba owing to haye is return urgentemente bek for trece one passenger cu owing to become bad abordo. do not conoci kico exactly owing to sosode cu the passenger but have to is algo enough earnest for her capitan dicidi of descend bek at aruba. click read more for more info... the capitan owing to ask toren of control for her return y if the can achieve one ambulance y personal medico for brinda they asistencia. in some minuut the plane owing to ateriza y owing to happen the passenger in hands of the paramediconan abordo of ambulance. updates: informenan cu 24ora.com owing to ricibi is cu the tourist here not owing to achieve one ataca of curazon, but ela cay flauw, of as cu asistencia medico not was necesario, already cu the same tourist owing to tell cu the does not tratamento medico y for follow cu the viahe for chicago o'hare. come across Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 11, 2009, 08:04:52 PM ::MonkeyCool:: Here's a little tidbit I just found browsing around. Another familiar surname mentioned, who seems to be one of those shady people in Sharon's sig line. According to the Chamber of Commerce, he's the sole owner.
************** Friday, April 3rd, 2009, 08:21 PM fluffs Junior Member Join Date: April 1st, 2009 Location: MA Posts: 8 Beware of Real Estate/Rental Agent -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Beware of the real estate or rental agent you do business with. Beware of ABLE REALTY in Aruba. We did business with him. His name is Tony Lejuez. We rented a place,he was the agent, for 3 months and other people had rented for a month He kept all the owner's rents and deposits. We gave him a deposit but fortunetly for us the owners returned it to us (they took the loss). They have filed charges against him with the Aruba police We went with them to the station and the police seemed to know him. They also hired an Aruba lawyer(costing more money) but chances of them getting any of their money doesn't look good. He is still allowed to do business and has been in business on the island for many years. So I don't know how you can judge who is honest and who is not. Perhaps this forum could encourage horror stories such as this to protect others. http://bb.visitaruba.com/f2/beware-real-estate-rental-agent-11601/ Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 11, 2009, 08:43:02 PM HAPPY EASTER
HAPPY SPRING HAPPY HAPPY EVERYTHING Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 11, 2009, 08:44:06 PM ::cartwheel::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 11, 2009, 08:45:00 PM HAPPY EASTER HAPPY SPRING HAPPY HAPPY EVERYTHING Janet And the same to you Janet! ::MonkeyCool:: (((hugs))) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 11, 2009, 08:46:51 PM I'm working on the timeline and this just caught my eye, I thought was interesting. I'd never really noticed how different Caps first and second postings of his theory were... Caps made his first FP post on 12/21 - all about the cemetary and the kelder. Anonimo posts from 12/22pm - 12/23am Caps posts again 12/23pm - only this theory has an important new added component: the shoes. Actually, Caps' FP post on 12/23 contains a number of additions, but no need to post them all... here is Caps' conclusion to his "theory" on 12/23/2007, before he ever started posting with the "codetalkers": Quote Conclusion: the only way the body can be found is to search for the shoes round the edges for the murky pools in Aruba and when the sneaker is found, the body will be there also. Sure seems to me that Caps did a great job of making Lala's and the rest of the codetalkers believe they were all working together to form a theory, when in actuality they ended up exactly where Caps started. In addition, if you read both posts in their entirety, he already starts exhonorating the Kalpoe's in the second one. Quote Reference Links: 12/21/2007 CapslockWizard’s post (Comment #14 – 5:30pm) on SM Front Page that Natalee is in a cemetery. (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/20/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-listen-live-tonight-at-9pm-eastern-guests-include-dr-sharon-morris-may-john-goodwin-jossy-mansur-and-george-jug-twitty/); 12/22/2007 Anonimo's posts (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/)...begin at 11:17pm 12/23/2007 Anonimo's posts (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/) end at 4:19am Then Caps posts his theory again: Capslockwizard (Comment #71) on December 23rd, 2007 7:44 pm (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/#comments) – “This is my analysis about the disappearing and the events on that day. There are two possible scenarios that will fit a logic question. The Logic question is “Where would I hide a body so that nobody will find it and at the same time lose my shoes?” Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 11, 2009, 09:00:32 PM Lifesong ... thank you for all your research. On Tuesday ... I am planning on spend the day reading and attempting to comprehend where all your hard work is leading.
Yesterday ... I had myself a pity party. I could not concentrate. We were suppose to have two eldest grandsons for the day but ... following the Good Friday service at our church which youngest son and wife attended ... plans changed. Uncle and Aunt invited kids over to their home to play with a new video system that was just purchased. They were so excited that we did not have the heart to turn them down. I guess Scrabble with Mama and Papa was not where it was at. Anyways ... both Easter Sunday and Easter Monday are busy days as both sides of the family are having gatherings. I am tired just thinking about it. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 11, 2009, 09:08:16 PM Lifesong ... thank you for all your research. On Tuesday ... I am planning on spend the day reading and attempting to comprehend where all your hard work is leading. Yesterday ... I had myself a pity party. I could not concentrate. We were suppose to have two eldest grandsons for the day but ... following the Good Friday service at our church which youngest son and wife attended ... plans changed. Uncle and Aunt invited kids over to their home to play with a new video system that was just purchased. They were so excited that we did not have the heart to turn them down. I guess Scrabble with Mama and Papa was not where it was at. Anyways ... both Easter Sunday and Easter Monday are busy days as both sides of the family are having gatherings. I am tired just thinking about it. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Janet Janet, What do you mean by "where all your hard work is leading"? I don't understand what you mean. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 11, 2009, 09:15:22 PM (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Greetings/Holidays/25hvkpl.jpg)
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 11, 2009, 09:17:18 PM Lifesong ... thank you for all your research. On Tuesday ... I am planning on spend the day reading and attempting to comprehend where all your hard work is leading. Yesterday ... I had myself a pity party. I could not concentrate. We were suppose to have two eldest grandsons for the day but ... following the Good Friday service at our church which youngest son and wife attended ... plans changed. Uncle and Aunt invited kids over to their home to play with a new video system that was just purchased. They were so excited that we did not have the heart to turn them down. I guess Scrabble with Mama and Papa was not where it was at. Anyways ... both Easter Sunday and Easter Monday are busy days as both sides of the family are having gatherings. I am tired just thinking about it. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Janet Janet, What do you mean by "where all your hard work is leading"? I don't understand what you mean. I mean ... I have just scanned your posts. However ... scanning implies I am not getting the whole picture. I will set aside time for reading and comprehending on Tuesday when there is again a sense of normal in my life. Lifesong ... it was not not my intention to offend. Just the opposite. Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 11, 2009, 09:38:30 PM I'm working on the timeline and this just caught my eye, I thought was interesting. I'd never really noticed how different Caps first and second postings of his theory were... Caps made his first FP post on 12/21 - all about the cemetary and the kelder. Anonimo posts from 12/22pm - 12/23am Caps posts again 12/23pm - only this theory has an important new added component: the shoes. Actually, Caps' FP post on 12/23 contains a number of additions, but no need to post them all... here is Caps' conclusion to his "theory" on 12/23/2007, before he ever started posting with the "codetalkers": Quote Conclusion: the only way the body can be found is to search for the shoes round the edges for the murky pools in Aruba and when the sneaker is found, the body will be there also. Sure seems to me that Caps did a great job of making Lala's and the rest of the codetalkers believe they were all working together to form a theory, when in actuality they ended up exactly where Caps started. In addition, if you read both posts in their entirety, he already starts exhonorating the Kalpoe's in the second one. Quote Reference Links: 12/21/2007 CapslockWizard’s post (Comment #14 – 5:30pm) on SM Front Page that Natalee is in a cemetery. (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/20/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-listen-live-tonight-at-9pm-eastern-guests-include-dr-sharon-morris-may-john-goodwin-jossy-mansur-and-george-jug-twitty/); 12/22/2007 Anonimo's posts (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/)...begin at 11:17pm 12/23/2007 Anonimo's posts (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/) end at 4:19am Then Caps posts his theory again: Capslockwizard (Comment #71) on December 23rd, 2007 7:44 pm (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/#comments) – “This is my analysis about the disappearing and the events on that day. There are two possible scenarios that will fit a logic question. The Logic question is “Where would I hide a body so that nobody will find it and at the same time lose my shoes?” It has occured to me that the Kalpoes may have offered CapsLockWizard and company a portion of their Dr. Phil fortune. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Joran said that he was promised a million. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 11, 2009, 09:43:10 PM http://www.mylifetime.com/on-tv/movies/natalee-holloway/the-beth-holloway-interview
The Beth Holloway Interview by Rachel Cohen Created 03/25/2009 - 12:55 (http://www.mylifetime.com/files/images/bethtwitty-interview1.jpg) What prompted you to write the book “Loving Natalee: A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith”? The writing of the book actually evolved over a period of time. Shortly after this happened to Natalee, I made a pledge that I would share her story with every high school I could, because I hoped that no other family would have to endure the challenges that we faced during our first few weeks in Aruba. I lived in Aruba for about four months while I was searching for her, and during the fifth month, I thought it was time for me to make good on my pledge as Natalee’s case was now in the hands of John Kelly, attorney at law. I began traveling and, over the course of two years, presented personal safety messages to over 20,000 high school and college students in 22 states. During this time I thought, “How could I reach more travelers?” and I started thinking about writing a book. How did this movie come to be? It’s a direct result of the book. We started talking about it with Lifetime, and at first I wasn’t sure if I could take the next step. But then I had the privilege and opportunity to fly to Los Angeles and to sit down with an incredible creative staff from Sony and Lifetime. I knew instantly that this was the next step and the right thing to do. What was it like being on set? I was nervous and overwhelmed at first. Even the equipment and the logistics were fascinating to me. I had my camera and took pictures whenever I could. It was really an honor to be there. Has it been emotional to replay these events? I don’t think that anything could compare with the first four months of what we endured while searching for Natalee in Aruba. The movie is something I view as an accomplishment, because we are able to help shed light on a lot of things that I wrote about in my book. What is it like having Tracy Pollan play you? It’s an honor. I think she’s a genuine, sincere, real person. There could not have been a better choice. (http://www.mylifetime.com/files/images/bethtwitty-interview2.jpg) In the movie, we watch Beth change and grow into an activist as she searches for her daughter and for the truth about what happened. Tell us about that experience. There seems to be a common thread among all of us who have experienced a devastating or traumatic event, and that is the wanting to reach out to others — whether it’s through philanthropic events or in my case, taking Natalee’s story podium to podium, high school to high school and college to college. You want to make a difference and ensure that no other family will have to endure the same tragedy. What do you really think happened to Natalee? We have tried to be so careful not to speculate over the last four years. We always go back to the known facts, and the known facts are that we have indentified the three individuals who were last seen with Natalee alive. As she was leaving Carlos and Charlie’s, we know the condition that Natalee was in. And when the suspects took her from the establishment, we have 22 different versions that they have given to the police to explain what they did with her that night. We know the sexual conduct they engaged in with her in the car as she was semiconscious, falling asleep and waking up. So we know it doesn’t look good, the things that were transpiring. Other than this, we have no further information. (http://www.mylifetime.com/files/images/bethtwitty-interview3.jpg) You are very involved in helping others stay safe while traveling abroad. As a public speaker, what words of guidance do you give your audiences? I remind them about the importance of their personal safety and that personal safety boils down to making a plan. Whether that plan is investigating the infrastructure of a country that you will be visiting, securing police numbers and embassy contacts, or understanding what the United States Embassy can and cannot provide for tourists who find themselves in a crisis outside our borders, it’s important to be prepared. I also remind my audiences that a lot of these occurrences transpire in the early morning hours. I cannot tell you the exhausted list of families that I have been working with whose loved one was last seen leaving an establishment at 12:30 am, 1 am or 1:30 am. It’s the same scenario time after time, and it’s never a good outcome. It sounds so simple and something you’d even tell an elementary child — never go anywhere with strangers, never leave a place alone, and have a time and place to meet with friends before you leave the establishment. What would you like audiences to take away from this movie? I think the overall message is the message of hope, the hope for justice and the hope of making a difference in other people’s lives. I think what this movie will do after all is said and done is give my definition of hope — which is the inexplicable empowerment that enables us to move successfully from challenge to resolution with courage. It’s more than just wishful thinking; it’s the guarantee that there’s light at the end of whatever tunnel we’re trying to find our way through. My first phase was a fantasy phase of hope, and I thought I was coming to Aruba and taking Natalee home alive. When I left home, I told my son I’d return with her in a couple of days. As you move through a crisis and your hope is shattered, you have to find a new hope to carry you through. If I had stayed in my fantasy hope for too long, I could have never have fought so hard for Natalee’s life to make a difference. Another message is the importance of justice. I was going to bring Natalee home whether she was alive or not. I was going to have justice and put her perpetrators behind bars. Well, none of that happened, and I can only hope that it does one day, but if it doesn’t, I still have a real hope — and real hope has actions behind it. And my real hope is that, when I present to colleges, churches, civic groups and attorney generals, I am making a difference. It’s tangible for me, and that is why I keep going. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 11, 2009, 09:46:56 PM TM,
Thank you for posting the infro and links today. I loved the pictures. ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 11, 2009, 09:50:25 PM Thank you, TxMom. That is such a wonderful article. Only one more week until this movie airs. I hope I can record it and watch it several times. I want to hear every word spoken.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 11, 2009, 09:56:14 PM Lifesong ... thank you for all your research. On Tuesday ... I am planning on spend the day reading and attempting to comprehend where all your hard work is leading. Yesterday ... I had myself a pity party. I could not concentrate. We were suppose to have two eldest grandsons for the day but ... following the Good Friday service at our church which youngest son and wife attended ... plans changed. Uncle and Aunt invited kids over to their home to play with a new video system that was just purchased. They were so excited that we did not have the heart to turn them down. I guess Scrabble with Mama and Papa was not where it was at. Anyways ... both Easter Sunday and Easter Monday are busy days as both sides of the family are having gatherings. I am tired just thinking about it. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Janet Janet, What do you mean by "where all your hard work is leading"? I don't understand what you mean. I mean ... I have just scanned your posts. However ... scanning implies I am not getting the whole picture. I will set aside time for reading and comprehending on Tuesday when there is again a sense of normal in my life. Lifesong ... it was not not my intention to offend. Just the opposite. Janet I didn't think you were being mean, Janet. ::MonkeyWink:: I know better than that. I promised a while back that if I wasn't sure what was meant, I would ask... If you do figure out where it's leading...would you let me know?! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 11, 2009, 10:00:16 PM It has occured to me that the Kalpoes may have offered CapsLockWizard and company a portion of their Dr. Phil fortune. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Joran said that he was promised a million. I've thought the same thing, Magnolia. I actually waffle back and forth between "sent by the Kalpoe's" and "sent by ATA". Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 11, 2009, 10:00:45 PM ::MonkeyHaHa::
Lifesong, WorldJournier started out to make a simple timeline of the entire investigation. First it was a hundred pages long and then three hundred and I think over five hundred last time I saw it! And it is probably still growing! ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 11, 2009, 10:02:52 PM It has occured to me that the Kalpoes may have offered CapsLockWizard and company a portion of their Dr. Phil fortune. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Joran said that he was promised a million. I've thought the same thing, Magnolia. I actually waffle back and forth between "sent by the Kalpoe's" and "sent by ATA". Me, too but I add wanting reward because WLC was steamed that De Vries was claiming to have "solved" the disappearance, not happy at all as one would expect. I guess it would be a win/win for that connection as long as the Kalpoes are off the hook. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 11, 2009, 10:02:54 PM Thank You TM for the Articles and Pics that You posted today....I Appreciate All That You Do to Bring this Info to Us... ::MonkeyWink::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 11, 2009, 10:08:41 PM http://www.mylifetime.com/on-tv/movies/natalee-holloway/the-beth-holloway-interview The Beth Holloway Interview by Rachel Cohen Created 03/25/2009 - 12:55 (http://www.mylifetime.com/files/images/bethtwitty-interview1.jpg) What prompted you to write the book “Loving Natalee: A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith”? The writing of the book actually evolved over a period of time. Shortly after this happened to Natalee, I made a pledge that I would share her story with every high school I could, because I hoped that no other family would have to endure the challenges that we faced during our first few weeks in Aruba. I lived in Aruba for about four months while I was searching for her, and during the fifth month, I thought it was time for me to make good on my pledge as Natalee’s case was now in the hands of John Kelly, attorney at law. I began traveling and, over the course of two years, presented personal safety messages to over 20,000 high school and college students in 22 states. During this time I thought, “How could I reach more travelers?” and I started thinking about writing a book. How did this movie come to be? It’s a direct result of the book. We started talking about it with Lifetime, and at first I wasn’t sure if I could take the next step. But then I had the privilege and opportunity to fly to Los Angeles and to sit down with an incredible creative staff from Sony and Lifetime. I knew instantly that this was the next step and the right thing to do. What was it like being on set? I was nervous and overwhelmed at first. Even the equipment and the logistics were fascinating to me. I had my camera and took pictures whenever I could. It was really an honor to be there. Has it been emotional to replay these events? I don’t think that anything could compare with the first four months of what we endured while searching for Natalee in Aruba. The movie is something I view as an accomplishment, because we are able to help shed light on a lot of things that I wrote about in my book. What is it like having Tracy Pollan play you? It’s an honor. I think she’s a genuine, sincere, real person. There could not have been a better choice. (http://www.mylifetime.com/files/images/bethtwitty-interview2.jpg) In the movie, we watch Beth change and grow into an activist as she searches for her daughter and for the truth about what happened. Tell us about that experience. There seems to be a common thread among all of us who have experienced a devastating or traumatic event, and that is the wanting to reach out to others — whether it’s through philanthropic events or in my case, taking Natalee’s story podium to podium, high school to high school and college to college. You want to make a difference and ensure that no other family will have to endure the same tragedy. What do you really think happened to Natalee? We have tried to be so careful not to speculate over the last four years. We always go back to the known facts, and the known facts are that we have indentified the three individuals who were last seen with Natalee alive. As she was leaving Carlos and Charlie’s, we know the condition that Natalee was in. And when the suspects took her from the establishment, we have 22 different versions that they have given to the police to explain what they did with her that night. We know the sexual conduct they engaged in with her in the car as she was semiconscious, falling asleep and waking up. So we know it doesn’t look good, the things that were transpiring. Other than this, we have no further information. (http://www.mylifetime.com/files/images/bethtwitty-interview3.jpg) You are very involved in helping others stay safe while traveling abroad. As a public speaker, what words of guidance do you give your audiences? I remind them about the importance of their personal safety and that personal safety boils down to making a plan. Whether that plan is investigating the infrastructure of a country that you will be visiting, securing police numbers and embassy contacts, or understanding what the United States Embassy can and cannot provide for tourists who find themselves in a crisis outside our borders, it’s important to be prepared. I also remind my audiences that a lot of these occurrences transpire in the early morning hours. I cannot tell you the exhausted list of families that I have been working with whose loved one was last seen leaving an establishment at 12:30 am, 1 am or 1:30 am. It’s the same scenario time after time, and it’s never a good outcome. It sounds so simple and something you’d even tell an elementary child — never go anywhere with strangers, never leave a place alone, and have a time and place to meet with friends before you leave the establishment. What would you like audiences to take away from this movie? I think the overall message is the message of hope, the hope for justice and the hope of making a difference in other people’s lives. I think what this movie will do after all is said and done is give my definition of hope — which is the inexplicable empowerment that enables us to move successfully from challenge to resolution with courage. It’s more than just wishful thinking; it’s the guarantee that there’s light at the end of whatever tunnel we’re trying to find our way through. My first phase was a fantasy phase of hope, and I thought I was coming to Aruba and taking Natalee home alive. When I left home, I told my son I’d return with her in a couple of days. As you move through a crisis and your hope is shattered, you have to find a new hope to carry you through. If I had stayed in my fantasy hope for too long, I could have never have fought so hard for Natalee’s life to make a difference. Another message is the importance of justice. I was going to bring Natalee home whether she was alive or not. I was going to have justice and put her perpetrators behind bars. Well, none of that happened, and I can only hope that it does one day, but if it doesn’t, I still have a real hope — and real hope has actions behind it. And my real hope is that, when I present to colleges, churches, civic groups and attorney generals, I am making a difference. It’s tangible for me, and that is why I keep going. Thank you for this, texasmom. This is what it's all about. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 11, 2009, 10:10:02 PM You're welcome Magnolia, Anna, Hotping, 2NJ, and Klaas & MuffeyBee from earlier today.
I love all of the pictures too! I'm very excited about the movie and can hardly wait to see it! My youngest son's girlfriend called him this morning and told him that she'd seen the preview to the movie and all the info about it! I thought that was pretty cool! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 11, 2009, 10:10:42 PM I do wonder what the Aruban reaction to this feature film is going to be. It looks soooo well done. Compare and contrast the things done to bash Beth and Beth comes shining through.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 11, 2009, 10:12:49 PM I forgot to add that youngest son came in to tell me about the movie IN CASE I DIDN'T KNOW! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 11, 2009, 10:15:37 PM It has occured to me that the Kalpoes may have offered CapsLockWizard and company a portion of their Dr. Phil fortune. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Joran said that he was promised a million. I've thought the same thing, Magnolia. I actually waffle back and forth between "sent by the Kalpoe's" and "sent by ATA". Both, I think! ATA put it together initally, thus the Vrolijk connection. ATA made the initial payment with follow up to come when the Kalpoes were compensated. I think Kawish became involved through the Kalpoes and was there to provide the information that the middle-aged men didn't have. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 11, 2009, 10:22:05 PM Lifesong,
I noticed when looking for something else today that some posts from the same website that we've been reading lately were brought over back in Feb 2008. Not sure if any are the same ones but some of the same things were mentioned in some of them. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.680 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #735 2/24 - « Reply #687 on: February 27, 2008, 12:02:03 PM » Klaasend posted: Quote Quote Quote from: kkate on February 27, 2008, 11:59:54 AM Quote Quote from: Tot on February 27, 2008, 10:16:05 AM Thanks TotFellow Monkey's. Please go here and *read the comments* under this particular topic.Very strange info here.. SECOND ANNUAL BOYCOTT OF ARUBA IN BOSTON A SUCCESS! http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/ Those comments are very interesting. Maybe Klaasend could bring them over. I know I don't have to remind you guys that anyone can say anything on the internet 12 CommentsClose this window Jump to comment form Anonymous said... Due to lack of funding, Persistence might have to stop the search for Natalee in the waters. Boycott Aruba is the only way to help Natalee to get her justice. The Dutch government is sending more prisoners to the new KIA prison for cost savings. Aruba will count those new prisoners as guest visitors and tourists. The new Dutch prisoners are allowed to jog along the beaches once a week and to help to clean up the wind brown trash from the landfills. February 26, 2008 4:26 AM Anonymous said... Carlos and Charlie's in Aruba offers a back corner for the locals to sell pot and rape drugs. Pot and rape drugs are legal in Aruba. February 26, 2008 7:11 AM Anonymous said... The new target is the blue barrel Persistence has just located. Dateline is kept off from this discovery. Only Kyle knows. And FBI is contacted to bring in the forensics experts. No Dutch is contacted at this point to prevent the corruptions of the judges. US is handling this case directly with the support from the new Washington authority. February 26, 2008 10:37 AM Anonymous said... Some hotels in Aruba might have to shut down at end of this month due to lack of tourists. Bad news for the low income non white Arubans. February 26, 2008 11:42 AM Anonymous said... Many non white Aruban workers feel the Dutch judges' rulings on Joran's free of prison terms dealt a death blow to their jobs. They are ready to revolt against the judges for their corruptions. February 26, 2008 11:56 AM Anonymous said... The result is positive for Natalee. The blue barrel has only part of Natalee's remains. Persistence learns the lesions from Joran's confessions. The famililes have been notified. They want to build a full case with the new US government's help. Persistence has received a big donation from a hero treasure hunter. Persistence continues to quest and locate the other dump sites where the rest of Natalee's remains went. February 26, 2008 2:38 PM Anonymous said... The dismemberment of Natalee's body has made the US authorities very angry. The Aruban judges keep denying the brutal and barbaric behavior of Joran when Hans Mos reported that to the judges along with Joran's confessions in his court paper. The queen has been noticed via the UN liason in Hague. It's up to the queen to take some action. The US and the families and Persistence are patient and diligent in building a full case for the US court filings. Taco is on the alert. February 26, 2008 3:03 PM Anonymous said... The fabric that the Aruba divers found and confirmed by FBI officially placed Aruba in the body dumping business. Some crime was committed along with that fish trap found by Persistence. Other than that, the forensic evidences are well kept by the FBI for the formal court case filing when they hear the response from the Dutch queen who has jurisdictions over the Dutch judges in the island. They want to keep the Dutch judges in the dark, and let the queen's approval to move the entire case to the US court. February 26, 2008 5:55 PM Anonymous said... Aruba admitted the fabric publicly and officially in words and in news. This is crucial, because then it established Aruba's body dumping pattern that the Aruban judges can't deny. February 26, 2008 7:54 PM Anonymous said... That fabric might have matched the vest Natalee wore under hre blue dress which was also a bathing suit. Many girls didn't wear bra that day for convenience and comfort. The FBI did not comment on the case. They have the real forensic evidences in their safewatch, not to be destroyed by Aruba again. Now it is the law enforcement protocol being acknowleged between both US and Kingdom of Netherlands. Joran is a wanted man, he is being tagged by the Interpol February 26, 2008 8:43 PM Anonymous said... The microorganisms grow over the bones. So far the DNA are pointing to the direction of Natalee. The FBI insiders leaked that there will be more tests needed to confirm. But so far it is positive is Natalee's. February 26, 2008 10:42 PM Anonymous said... Now that Persistence is running out of money, boycott Aruba is the only hope. Aruba's tourism has been down further due to the high euro against the dollar. Many more empty seats on the beach. February 27, 2008 2:45 AM ~did i do something wrong again zoo geeper?~ To ADNOID: I am not now and never have been an owner of Scared Monkeys. Please get your facts straight. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 11, 2009, 10:22:11 PM I forgot to add that youngest son came in to tell me about the movie IN CASE I DIDN'T KNOW! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tylergal on April 11, 2009, 10:36:06 PM I just wanted to say Happy Easter to all those special Monkeys who started here and those who have continue here. I apologize for my lackluster interest as the days go by but there are definitely issues pressing in my own life that usurp most of my time.
I do not forget nor do I wish to forget all the wonderful monkeys who came here to help resolve the disappearance of Natalee, and to her precious family, who has endured more than most humans ever do, I wish a happy Easter Sunday to all of you and thank you for the special way in which you have conducted yourselves and know that Natalee, the sweet, caring person that she was, is an extension of the way you have conducted yourselves and the way you raised her, "God Bless you," and you know that not only she but you were put in this precarious position for a purpose and may that be revealed to you to alleviate some of your suffering for in the end, God has a plan for us all. This horrible event does not go unrecognized by Him who loved here and you and of what happened to this beautiful child, the suffering of her family and I hope that all of you will find some special meaning in this Easter Sunday and the meaning that it has in your lives. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: MuffyBee on April 11, 2009, 10:46:20 PM It's good to see you again Tylergal. I hope you are well. Happy Easter!
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 11, 2009, 10:47:22 PM Thank you so much Tylergal! You know I will always logon when I see you posting, my friend.
And Glorious Easter Blessings to you and your DH as we observe this holiday of our Risen Lord. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 11, 2009, 10:47:26 PM Good to see you, Tyler!
Happy Easter to you and your family. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 11, 2009, 10:49:42 PM AZSunny, can you get Luzianne Tea for the iced tea for when we sit on Magnolia's porch sipping? It has to be for iced tea. Was just worrying about that.
::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Blue Moon on April 11, 2009, 10:49:48 PM Tylergal, HAPPY EASTER to you also.
I am calling it a night but I do want to wish each and everyone of you a very HAPPY EASTER. It is a time for reflection and also a time for much more than the Easter Bunny. TM thanks so much for the pictures and articles. Beth is an amazing person. I still stand with her until she says it is over (and she hasn't said that yet). Thoughts and prayers go out to Natalee and her family (Beth, Dave and Matt and all her extended family). JUSTICE FOR NATALEE Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 11, 2009, 10:54:44 PM Busy! Busy! Busy! We are filling plastic Easter eggs with candy and quarters. One special egg has a five dollar bill. The Easter egg hunt will not happen until Monday but ... hubby is like a big kid.
Happy Easter Monkeys. With Love Janet +++++++ THE EASTER STORY - THE GRAVE COULD NOT HOLD HIM HE IS RISEN - HE IS RISEN INDEED!! Luke 24: 1-8 1-3 At the crack of dawn on Sunday, the women came to the tomb carrying the burial spices they had prepared. They found the entrance stone rolled back from the tomb, so they walked in. But once inside, they couldn't find the body of the Master Jesus. 4-8 They were puzzled, wondering what to make of this. Then, out of nowhere it seemed, two men, light cascading over them, stood there. The women were awestruck and bowed down in worship. The men said, "Why are you looking for the Living One in a cemetery? He is not here, but raised up. Remember how he told you when you were still back in Galilee that he had to be handed over to sinners, be killed on a cross, and in three days rise up?" Then they remembered Jesus' words. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: klaasend on April 11, 2009, 10:57:18 PM SAN found that program! It's frustrating because nobody else is willing to pay for these documents except us. Others are welcome to view them and post on their websites but copying won't be quite as easy as it was ::MonkeyHaHa:: Klaasend - you know that you can set the PDF so it can not be copied at all, or can't be printed, etc. Example below.. Yeah the idea though is to stop screen captures. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 11, 2009, 10:59:02 PM Tylergal, HAPPY EASTER to you also. I am calling it a night but I do want to wish each and everyone of you a very HAPPY EASTER. It is a time for reflection and also a time for much more than the Easter Bunny. TM thanks so much for the pictures and articles. Beth is an amazing person. I still stand with her until she says it is over (and she hasn't said that yet). Thoughts and prayers go out to Natalee and her family (Beth, Dave and Matt and all her extended family). JUSTICE FOR NATALEE You're welcome Blue Moon. I agree with you on all counts! I hope you have a very Happy Easter too! Good Night Blue Moon! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 11, 2009, 11:01:40 PM Busy! Busy! Busy! We are filling plastic Easter eggs with candy and quarters. One special egg has a five dollar bill. The Easter egg hunt will not happen until Monday but ... hubby is like a big kid. Happy Easter Monkeys. With Love Janet +++++++ THE EASTER STORY - THE GRAVE COULD NOT HOLD HIM HE IS RISEN - HE IS RISEN INDEED!! Luke 24: 1-8 1-3 At the crack of dawn on Sunday, the women came to the tomb carrying the burial spices they had prepared. They found the entrance stone rolled back from the tomb, so they walked in. But once inside, they couldn't find the body of the Master Jesus. 4-8 They were puzzled, wondering what to make of this. Then, out of nowhere it seemed, two men, light cascading over them, stood there. The women were awestruck and bowed down in worship. The men said, "Why are you looking for the Living One in a cemetery? He is not here, but raised up. Remember how he told you when you were still back in Galilee that he had to be handed over to sinners, be killed on a cross, and in three days rise up?" Then they remembered Jesus' words. We had our annual Easter egg hunt and BBQ at a family lake on top of the mountain today. I have never been so cold in my life. ::MonkeyHaHa:: The temp was about 50 degrees, but damp. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 11, 2009, 11:32:49 PM Busy! Busy! Busy! We are filling plastic Easter eggs with candy and quarters. One special egg has a five dollar bill. The Easter egg hunt will not happen until Monday but ... hubby is like a big kid. Happy Easter Monkeys. With Love Janet +++++++ THE EASTER STORY - THE GRAVE COULD NOT HOLD HIM HE IS RISEN - HE IS RISEN INDEED!! Luke 24: 1-8 1-3 At the crack of dawn on Sunday, the women came to the tomb carrying the burial spices they had prepared. They found the entrance stone rolled back from the tomb, so they walked in. But once inside, they couldn't find the body of the Master Jesus. 4-8 They were puzzled, wondering what to make of this. Then, out of nowhere it seemed, two men, light cascading over them, stood there. The women were awestruck and bowed down in worship. The men said, "Why are you looking for the Living One in a cemetery? He is not here, but raised up. Remember how he told you when you were still back in Galilee that he had to be handed over to sinners, be killed on a cross, and in three days rise up?" Then they remembered Jesus' words. http://www.youtube.com/v/AN6B36yUG44&hl=en&fs=1 Redeemer Who taught the sun where to stand in the morning? and Who told the ocean you can only come this far? and Who showed the moon where to hide 'til evening? Whose words alone can catch a falling star? Well I know my Redeemer lives I know my Redeemer lives: All of creation testifies This life within me cries I know my Redeemer lives, yeah. The very same God that spins things in orbit runs to the weary, the worn and the weak And the same gentle hands that hold me when I'm broken They conquered death to bring me victory Now I know my Redeemer lives I know my Redeemer lives Let all creation testify Let this life within me cry I know my Redeemer, He lives To take away my shame And He lives forever, I'll proclaim That the payment for my sin Was the precious life He gave But now He's alive and There's an empty grave. And I know my Redeemer lives I know my Redeemer lives Let all creation testify Let this life within me cry I know my Redeemer lives, I know my Redeemer I know my Redeemer lives I know my Redeemer lives I know that I know that I know that I know that I know my Redeemer lives Because He lives I can face tomorrow I Know I know He lives He lives yeah, yeah I spoke with him this morning He lives He lives, the tomb is empty, He lives I gotta tell everybody Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 11, 2009, 11:37:14 PM I just wanted to say Happy Easter to all those special Monkeys who started here and those who have continue here. I apologize for my lackluster interest as the days go by but there are definitely issues pressing in my own life that usurp most of my time. I do not forget nor do I wish to forget all the wonderful monkeys who came here to help resolve the disappearance of Natalee, and to her precious family, who has endured more than most humans ever do, I wish a happy Easter Sunday to all of you and thank you for the special way in which you have conducted yourselves and know that Natalee, the sweet, caring person that she was, is an extension of the way you have conducted yourselves and the way you raised her, "God Bless you," and you know that not only she but you were put in this precarious position for a purpose and may that be revealed to you to alleviate some of your suffering for in the end, God has a plan for us all. This horrible event does not go unrecognized by Him who loved here and you and of what happened to this beautiful child, the suffering of her family and I hope that all of you will find some special meaning in this Easter Sunday and the meaning that it has in your lives. Well said, Tylergal. I couldn't have done better,and hope your Easter is full of blessings & beyond..... will hope for pics of your rose garden. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 11, 2009, 11:48:17 PM I just wanted to say Happy Easter to all those special Monkeys who started here and those who have continue here. I apologize for my lackluster interest as the days go by but there are definitely issues pressing in my own life that usurp most of my time. I do not forget nor do I wish to forget all the wonderful monkeys who came here to help resolve the disappearance of Natalee, and to her precious family, who has endured more than most humans ever do, I wish a happy Easter Sunday to all of you and thank you for the special way in which you have conducted yourselves and know that Natalee, the sweet, caring person that she was, is an extension of the way you have conducted yourselves and the way you raised her, "God Bless you," and you know that not only she but you were put in this precarious position for a purpose and may that be revealed to you to alleviate some of your suffering for in the end, God has a plan for us all. This horrible event does not go unrecognized by Him who loved here and you and of what happened to this beautiful child, the suffering of her family and I hope that all of you will find some special meaning in this Easter Sunday and the meaning that it has in your lives. Hi Tylergal, it's great to see you! Great post, very well stated; thank you. I hope that you and your family have a wonderful Easter Sunday too! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 12, 2009, 12:07:28 AM Happy Easter, Everyone! (http://www.wga.hu/art/a/angelico/09/cells/08_women.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 12, 2009, 12:10:44 AM Busy! Busy! Busy! We are filling plastic Easter eggs with candy and quarters. One special egg has a five dollar bill. The Easter egg hunt will not happen until Monday but ... hubby is like a big kid. Happy Easter Monkeys. With Love Janet +++++++ THE EASTER STORY - THE GRAVE COULD NOT HOLD HIM HE IS RISEN - HE IS RISEN INDEED!! Luke 24: 1-8 1-3 At the crack of dawn on Sunday, the women came to the tomb carrying the burial spices they had prepared. They found the entrance stone rolled back from the tomb, so they walked in. But once inside, they couldn't find the body of the Master Jesus. 4-8 They were puzzled, wondering what to make of this. Then, out of nowhere it seemed, two men, light cascading over them, stood there. The women were awestruck and bowed down in worship. The men said, "Why are you looking for the Living One in a cemetery? He is not here, but raised up. Remember how he told you when you were still back in Galilee that he had to be handed over to sinners, be killed on a cross, and in three days rise up?" Then they remembered Jesus' words. http://www.youtube.com/v/AN6B36yUG44&hl=en&fs=1 Redeemer Who taught the sun where to stand in the morning? and Who told the ocean you can only come this far? and Who showed the moon where to hide 'til evening? Whose words alone can catch a falling star? Well I know my Redeemer lives I know my Redeemer lives: All of creation testifies This life within me cries I know my Redeemer lives, yeah. The very same God that spins things in orbit runs to the weary, the worn and the weak And the same gentle hands that hold me when I'm broken They conquered death to bring me victory Now I know my Redeemer lives I know my Redeemer lives Let all creation testify Let this life within me cry I know my Redeemer, He lives To take away my shame And He lives forever, I'll proclaim That the payment for my sin Was the precious life He gave But now He's alive and There's an empty grave. And I know my Redeemer lives I know my Redeemer lives Let all creation testify Let this life within me cry I know my Redeemer lives, I know my Redeemer I know my Redeemer lives I know my Redeemer lives I know that I know that I know that I know that I know my Redeemer lives Because He lives I can face tomorrow I Know I know He lives He lives yeah, yeah I spoke with him this morning He lives He lives, the tomb is empty, He lives I gotta tell everybody Thank you texasmom for proclaiming the Good News. Our Redeemer lives!! There are six new believers in our church who have chosen Easter morning to take the next step of faith ... baptism. This will occur at 8:00 AM in the muddy mighty Fraser River. Their personal testimonies will follow in both services. I can understand the five young people (17-32) chosing the river but the sixth is a seventy five year old gentleman. I would have thought the baptismal tank in the church santuary would be where it would be at for him. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Janet. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 12, 2009, 12:13:04 AM Busy! Busy! Busy! We are filling plastic Easter eggs with candy and quarters. One special egg has a five dollar bill. The Easter egg hunt will not happen until Monday but ... hubby is like a big kid. Happy Easter Monkeys. With Love Janet +++++++ THE EASTER STORY - THE GRAVE COULD NOT HOLD HIM HE IS RISEN - HE IS RISEN INDEED!! Luke 24: 1-8 1-3 At the crack of dawn on Sunday, the women came to the tomb carrying the burial spices they had prepared. They found the entrance stone rolled back from the tomb, so they walked in. But once inside, they couldn't find the body of the Master Jesus. 4-8 They were puzzled, wondering what to make of this. Then, out of nowhere it seemed, two men, light cascading over them, stood there. The women were awestruck and bowed down in worship. The men said, "Why are you looking for the Living One in a cemetery? He is not here, but raised up. Remember how he told you when you were still back in Galilee that he had to be handed over to sinners, be killed on a cross, and in three days rise up?" Then they remembered Jesus' words. We had our annual Easter egg hunt and BBQ at a family lake on top of the mountain today. I have never been so cold in my life. ::MonkeyHaHa:: The temp was about 50 degrees, but damp. ::MonkeyHaHa:: You just keep telling yourself ... "I am having fun." "I am having fun." "I am having fun." Happy Easter Magnolia. Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 12, 2009, 12:14:20 AM Happy Easter, Everyone! (http://www.wga.hu/art/a/angelico/09/cells/08_women.jpg) Happy Easter Lifesong. Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 12:25:08 AM You're welcome Janet!
I didn't make Easter baskets for my boys (or the girlfriends) this year, when I asked my husband if he thought I should...he said no....so I went along....but tonight I'm already feeling regret. ::MonkeyWaa:: Yes, I know they are probably too old for such things...but I think I got as much joy out of it as they did. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 12:27:01 AM Happy Easter Lifesong! Thanks for all you do! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 12, 2009, 12:30:56 AM Our Easter traditions also include a visit from the Easter Bunny...for some reason, throughout my childhood the Easter Bunny always filled and then hid our Easter Baskets for us to awake and find on Easter morning. (I, of course, thought the EB hid everyone's baskets, until I was in college and mentioned it - to a table full of blank stares!) ::MonkeyHaHa:: Undaunted, I have continued this tradition with my children. Much like on Christmas Eve, I am now awaiting the sounds of their sleep, as then it will be safe to creep back down the stairs and begin looking for new and clever hidey holes! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 12, 2009, 12:33:18 AM Happy Easter Lifesong! Thanks for all you do! ::MonkeyCool:: Right back-atcha, Texasmom!! ::MonkeyWink:: Hallelujah! He is Risen!! ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 12:35:42 AM Thank you texasmom for proclaiming the Good News. Our Redeemer lives!! There are six new believers in our church who have chosen Easter morning to take the next step of faith ... baptism. This will occur at 8:00 AM in the muddy mighty Fraser River. Their personal testimonies will follow in both services. I can understand the five young people (17-32) chosing the river but the sixth is a seventy five year old gentleman. I would have thought the baptismal tank in the church santuary would be where it would be at for him. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Janet. ::MonkeyShocked:: Wow, I'm surprised any of them chose the river...I would think it would be freezing cold! It's very heartwarming that they will all be baptized on Easter morning though, I bet that will be a special service to remember! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 12:50:36 AM Our Easter traditions also include a visit from the Easter Bunny...for some reason, throughout my childhood the Easter Bunny always filled and then hid our Easter Baskets for us to awake and find on Easter morning. (I, of course, thought the EB hid everyone's baskets, until I was in college and mentioned it - to a table full of blank stares!) ::MonkeyHaHa:: Undaunted, I have continued this tradition with my children. Much like on Christmas Eve, I am now awaiting the sounds of their sleep, as then it will be safe to creep back down the stairs and begin looking for new and clever hidey holes! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: (about the college stares!) Our tradition was the same Lifesong. Even though for many years now, they knew who the Easter Bunny really is...they never saw their basket, or any of the contents until they woke up Easter morning. Since my oldest has a friend over for the weekend, it may be a blessing for him that I didn't do baskets this year...not sure what his friend would think about it at their age. ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 12, 2009, 12:54:33 AM You're welcome Janet! I didn't make Easter baskets for my boys (or the girlfriends) this year, when I asked my husband if he thought I should...he said no....so I went along....but tonight I'm already feeling regret. ::MonkeyWaa:: Yes, I know they are probably too old for such things...but I think I got as much joy out of it as they did. ::MonkeyHaHa:: They are never too old, TM. My Mama made baskets for my brother and me and our spouces as long as she lived. I continue the tradition, more for myself than the overgrown children. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 12:57:42 AM You're welcome Janet! I didn't make Easter baskets for my boys (or the girlfriends) this year, when I asked my husband if he thought I should...he said no....so I went along....but tonight I'm already feeling regret. ::MonkeyWaa:: Yes, I know they are probably too old for such things...but I think I got as much joy out of it as they did. ::MonkeyHaHa:: They are never too old, TM. My Mama made baskets for my brother and me and our spouces as long as she lived. I continue the tradition, more for myself than the overgrown children. ::MonkeyHaHa:: That's what I thought too Magnolia! ::MonkeyWaa:: I shouldn't have listened to cheapo! ::MonkeyWaa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 12, 2009, 01:00:19 AM Our Easter traditions also include a visit from the Easter Bunny...for some reason, throughout my childhood the Easter Bunny always filled and then hid our Easter Baskets for us to awake and find on Easter morning. (I, of course, thought the EB hid everyone's baskets, until I was in college and mentioned it - to a table full of blank stares!) ::MonkeyHaHa:: Undaunted, I have continued this tradition with my children. Much like on Christmas Eve, I am now awaiting the sounds of their sleep, as then it will be safe to creep back down the stairs and begin looking for new and clever hidey holes! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: (about the college stares!) Our tradition was the same Lifesong. Even though for many years now, they knew who the Easter Bunny really is...they never saw their basket, or any of the contents until they woke up Easter morning. Since my oldest has a friend over for the weekend, it may be a blessing for him that I didn't do baskets this year...not sure what his friend would think about it at their age. ::MonkeyWink:: I can relate - my oldest is now 14, soon to be 15. I warned him if he didn't color the easter eggs with us, EB wouldn't bring him a basket! He colored 4 eggs very nicely and decorated them with stickers...then, unable to resist I suppose, his next egg was dipped and dipped and dipped into a some combination of colors that turned it gray. Sad, drab, gray, ugly easter egg! We laughed and laughed at that sad egg. Then we cracked it, he ate it...and received permission to go play! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 12, 2009, 01:06:23 AM Our Easter traditions also include a visit from the Easter Bunny...for some reason, throughout my childhood the Easter Bunny always filled and then hid our Easter Baskets for us to awake and find on Easter morning. (I, of course, thought the EB hid everyone's baskets, until I was in college and mentioned it - to a table full of blank stares!) ::MonkeyHaHa:: Undaunted, I have continued this tradition with my children. Much like on Christmas Eve, I am now awaiting the sounds of their sleep, as then it will be safe to creep back down the stairs and begin looking for new and clever hidey holes! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: (about the college stares!) Our tradition was the same Lifesong. Even though for many years now, they knew who the Easter Bunny really is...they never saw their basket, or any of the contents until they woke up Easter morning. Since my oldest has a friend over for the weekend, it may be a blessing for him that I didn't do baskets this year...not sure what his friend would think about it at their age. ::MonkeyWink:: I can relate - my oldest is now 14, soon to be 15. I warned him if he didn't color the easter eggs with us, EB wouldn't bring him a basket! He colored 4 eggs very nicely and decorated them with stickers...then, unable to resist I suppose, his next egg was dipped and dipped and dipped into a some combination of colors that turned it gray. Sad, drab, gray, ugly easter egg! We laughed and laughed at that sad egg. Then we cracked it, he ate it...and received permission to go play! ::MonkeyHaHa:: I always end up with one ugly sad gray egg every year. Just happens!! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 12, 2009, 01:15:56 AM You're welcome Janet! I didn't make Easter baskets for my boys (or the girlfriends) this year, when I asked my husband if he thought I should...he said no....so I went along....but tonight I'm already feeling regret. ::MonkeyWaa:: Yes, I know they are probably too old for such things...but I think I got as much joy out of it as they did. ::MonkeyHaHa:: They are never too old, TM. My Mama made baskets for my brother and me and our spouces as long as she lived. I continue the tradition, more for myself than the overgrown children. ::MonkeyHaHa:: That's what I thought too Magnolia! ::MonkeyWaa:: I shouldn't have listened to cheapo! ::MonkeyWaa:: There is always next year! My kids would be heartbroken if they did not get their baskets. Boys get pocket knives, books, water pistols,CDs summer sleep shorts and candy. Girls get nail polish, lipsticks, books, CDs, water pistols and summer nighties and candy. I love doing it. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 12, 2009, 01:33:30 AM You're welcome Janet! I didn't make Easter baskets for my boys (or the girlfriends) this year, when I asked my husband if he thought I should...he said no....so I went along....but tonight I'm already feeling regret. ::MonkeyWaa:: Yes, I know they are probably too old for such things...but I think I got as much joy out of it as they did. ::MonkeyHaHa:: They are never too old, TM. My Mama made baskets for my brother and me and our spouces as long as she lived. I continue the tradition, more for myself than the overgrown children. ::MonkeyHaHa:: That's what I thought too Magnolia! ::MonkeyWaa:: I shouldn't have listened to cheapo! ::MonkeyWaa:: There is always next year! My kids would be heartbroken if they did not get their baskets. Boys get pocket knives, books, water pistols,CDs summer sleep shorts and candy. Girls get nail polish, lipsticks, books, CDs, water pistols and summer nighties and candy. I love doing it. Happy Easter Everyone! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 12, 2009, 01:46:35 AM You're welcome Janet! I didn't make Easter baskets for my boys (or the girlfriends) this year, when I asked my husband if he thought I should...he said no....so I went along....but tonight I'm already feeling regret. ::MonkeyWaa:: Yes, I know they are probably too old for such things...but I think I got as much joy out of it as they did. ::MonkeyHaHa:: They are never too old, TM. My Mama made baskets for my brother and me and our spouces as long as she lived. I continue the tradition, more for myself than the overgrown children. ::MonkeyHaHa:: That's what I thought too Magnolia! ::MonkeyWaa:: I shouldn't have listened to cheapo! ::MonkeyWaa:: There is always next year! My kids would be heartbroken if they did not get their baskets. Boys get pocket knives, books, water pistols,CDs summer sleep shorts and candy. Girls get nail polish, lipsticks, books, CDs, water pistols and summer nighties and candy. I love doing it. Happy Easter Everyone! Happy Easter, Hotping! Hugs to you, and God Bless!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 01:47:56 AM You're welcome Janet! I didn't make Easter baskets for my boys (or the girlfriends) this year, when I asked my husband if he thought I should...he said no....so I went along....but tonight I'm already feeling regret. ::MonkeyWaa:: Yes, I know they are probably too old for such things...but I think I got as much joy out of it as they did. ::MonkeyHaHa:: They are never too old, TM. My Mama made baskets for my brother and me and our spouces as long as she lived. I continue the tradition, more for myself than the overgrown children. ::MonkeyHaHa:: That's what I thought too Magnolia! ::MonkeyWaa:: I shouldn't have listened to cheapo! ::MonkeyWaa:: There is always next year! My kids would be heartbroken if they did not get their baskets. Boys get pocket knives, books, water pistols,CDs summer sleep shorts and candy. Girls get nail polish, lipsticks, books, CDs, water pistols and summer nighties and candy. I love doing it. I love doing it too! I have a feeling I'll be resuming the tradition next year. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 01:50:52 AM You're welcome Janet! I didn't make Easter baskets for my boys (or the girlfriends) this year, when I asked my husband if he thought I should...he said no....so I went along....but tonight I'm already feeling regret. ::MonkeyWaa:: Yes, I know they are probably too old for such things...but I think I got as much joy out of it as they did. ::MonkeyHaHa:: They are never too old, TM. My Mama made baskets for my brother and me and our spouces as long as she lived. I continue the tradition, more for myself than the overgrown children. ::MonkeyHaHa:: That's what I thought too Magnolia! ::MonkeyWaa:: I shouldn't have listened to cheapo! ::MonkeyWaa:: There is always next year! My kids would be heartbroken if they did not get their baskets. Boys get pocket knives, books, water pistols,CDs summer sleep shorts and candy. Girls get nail polish, lipsticks, books, CDs, water pistols and summer nighties and candy. I love doing it. Happy Easter Everyone! Happy Easter Hotping! ::MonkeyDance:: ((((Hugs)))) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 01:55:24 AM THE EASTER MESSAGE John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. http://www.youtube.com/v/GBLXcrFndm0&hl=en&fs=1 BUMPED ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 12, 2009, 02:03:37 AM You're welcome Janet! I didn't make Easter baskets for my boys (or the girlfriends) this year, when I asked my husband if he thought I should...he said no....so I went along....but tonight I'm already feeling regret. ::MonkeyWaa:: Yes, I know they are probably too old for such things...but I think I got as much joy out of it as they did. ::MonkeyHaHa:: They are never too old, TM. My Mama made baskets for my brother and me and our spouces as long as she lived. I continue the tradition, more for myself than the overgrown children. ::MonkeyHaHa:: That's what I thought too Magnolia! ::MonkeyWaa:: I shouldn't have listened to cheapo! ::MonkeyWaa:: There is always next year! My kids would be heartbroken if they did not get their baskets. Boys get pocket knives, books, water pistols,CDs summer sleep shorts and candy. Girls get nail polish, lipsticks, books, CDs, water pistols and summer nighties and candy. I love doing it. Happy Easter Everyone! Happy Easter, Hotping! Hugs to you, and God Bless!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 12, 2009, 02:05:03 AM You're welcome Janet! I didn't make Easter baskets for my boys (or the girlfriends) this year, when I asked my husband if he thought I should...he said no....so I went along....but tonight I'm already feeling regret. ::MonkeyWaa:: Yes, I know they are probably too old for such things...but I think I got as much joy out of it as they did. ::MonkeyHaHa:: They are never too old, TM. My Mama made baskets for my brother and me and our spouces as long as she lived. I continue the tradition, more for myself than the overgrown children. ::MonkeyHaHa:: That's what I thought too Magnolia! ::MonkeyWaa:: I shouldn't have listened to cheapo! ::MonkeyWaa:: There is always next year! My kids would be heartbroken if they did not get their baskets. Boys get pocket knives, books, water pistols,CDs summer sleep shorts and candy. Girls get nail polish, lipsticks, books, CDs, water pistols and summer nighties and candy. I love doing it. Happy Easter Everyone! Happy Easter Hotping! ::MonkeyDance:: ((((Hugs)))) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 12, 2009, 02:06:16 AM THE EASTER MESSAGE John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. http://www.youtube.com/v/GBLXcrFndm0&hl=en&fs=1 BUMPED ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Mere on April 12, 2009, 02:07:10 AM Wishing all the Monkeys a Wonderful Easter Holiday.....Mere Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 12, 2009, 02:11:57 AM Wishing all the Monkeys a Wonderful Easter Holiday.....Mere Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 12, 2009, 02:14:17 AM Goodnight TM...Keep an Eye out for the bad weather that is headed Your way and Stay Safe...I'm going to watch the video that You bumped and then I'm going to get some rest.
::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 02:26:07 AM Goodnight TM...Keep an Eye out for the bad weather that is headed Your way and Stay Safe...I'm going to watch the video that You bumped and then I'm going to get some rest. ::MonkeyCool:: You're welcome about the video...I've always loved that song since I first heard it as a teenager. Thanks for the warning on the weather, I really appreciate it...didn't watch the news tonight. But I'll check the weather now. Have a good night and a great Easter! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 02:26:42 AM Wishing all the Monkeys a Wonderful Easter Holiday.....Mere I hope you have a wonderful Easter too Mere! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 12, 2009, 02:51:32 AM HAPPY EASTER TO TEXASMOM
GOD BLESS FOR ALL YOU DO... GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY KEEPTHEFAITH ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 02:54:27 AM (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png) Truth & Justice for Natalee! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 02:56:56 AM HAPPY EASTER TO TEXASMOM GOD BLESS FOR ALL YOU DO... GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY KEEPTHEFAITH ::MonkeyCool:: Thank you Keepthefaith! Happy Easter to you and your family too! God bless and Good Night! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: sharon on April 12, 2009, 08:12:49 AM Warm wishes for a blessed Easter and Passover to all.
I appreciate and am in awe of all you ALL do as you continue to connect the dots. ::MonkeyWink:: AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT...IT DOES! Justice for Natalee Holloway. Peace for her family and loved ones. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Frijole on April 12, 2009, 08:47:35 AM Happy Easter and Passover to everyone who cares about justice for Natalee.
Peace. Love. Standing for the Girl. Frijole Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: San on April 12, 2009, 08:59:09 AM (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Birthday/HappyEaster.gif)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Birthday/passover_md_clr.gif) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Red on April 12, 2009, 09:40:51 AM Happy Easter 2009 - Christ Died for the Forgiveness of Our Sins
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/04/12/happy-easter-2009-christ-died-for-the-forgiveness-of-our-sins/ HAPPY EASTER ALL!!! Make no mistake about it, let no man, woman or politician tell you any differently … EASTER represents the greatest story of “HOPE & CHANGE” in history. There is a reason why some with an agenda want you to believe that religion is waning. They want to discourage the HOPE, true hope from above. NEVER GIVE UP THE HOPE!!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Blue Moon on April 12, 2009, 10:26:55 AM Happy Easter 2009 - Christ Died for the Forgiveness of Our Sins http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/04/12/happy-easter-2009-christ-died-for-the-forgiveness-of-our-sins/ HAPPY EASTER ALL!!! Make no mistake about it, let no man, woman or politician tell you any differently … EASTER represents the greatest story of “HOPE & CHANGE” in history. There is a reason why some with an agenda want you to believe that religion is waning. They want to discourage the HOPE, true hope from above. NEVER GIVE UP THE HOPE!!! HAPPY EASTER TO ALL. RED, I couldn't have said it better. HE lives and hope is eternal. Hope for Natalee is where it is at. WE STAND WITH THE GIRL and her family. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: nonesuche on April 12, 2009, 11:18:27 AM (http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/daisysistah_bucket/Animations/sun_rise_inside_cross_lg_clr.gif)
Hope springs eternal, one of my move favorite quotes always. Hope springs eternal in the human breast; Man never Is, but always To be blest: The soul, uneasy and confin'd from home, Rests and expatiates in a life to come. -Alexander Pope, An Essay on Man, Epistle I, 1733 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: klaasend on April 12, 2009, 11:19:17 AM http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,514676,00.html
Thailand Announces State of Emergency in Capital Sunday, April 12, 2009 BANGKOK — Thailand's prime minister narrowly escaped a savage attack and rioting erupted in Bangkok as protesters commandeered public buses and swarmed triumphantly over military vehicles in unchecked defiance after the government declared a state of emergency. (snipped) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: oldiebutgoodie on April 12, 2009, 12:10:19 PM Happy Passover, Everyone!
http://www.youtube.com/v/4t7a66vbrN0&hl=en&fs=1 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 12:19:29 PM Happy Easter 2009 - Christ Died for the Forgiveness of Our Sins http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/04/12/happy-easter-2009-christ-died-for-the-forgiveness-of-our-sins/ HAPPY EASTER ALL!!! Make no mistake about it, let no man, woman or politician tell you any differently … EASTER represents the greatest story of “HOPE & CHANGE” in history. There is a reason why some with an agenda want you to believe that religion is waning. They want to discourage the HOPE, true hope from above. NEVER GIVE UP THE HOPE!!! Amen Red! Thanks, and Happy Easter to you and your family! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 12, 2009, 12:32:51 PM (http://www.holidays.zingerbugimages.com/glitter_graphics/easter_reflecting_water_lily.gif)
Happy Easter! Happy Passover! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 12:34:21 PM http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,514676,00.html Thailand Announces State of Emergency in Capital Sunday, April 12, 2009 BANGKOK — Thailand's prime minister narrowly escaped a savage attack and rioting erupted in Bangkok as protesters commandeered public buses and swarmed triumphantly over military vehicles in unchecked defiance after the government declared a state of emergency. (snipped) Thanks Klaas! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 12:35:05 PM (http://www.holidays.zingerbugimages.com/glitter_graphics/easter_reflecting_water_lily.gif) Happy Easter! Happy Passover! You too 2NJ! Beautiful picture! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 03:21:59 PM O/T
::MonkeyDance:: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/04/12/somalia.pirates/index.html Captain jumps overboard, SEALs shoot pirates, official says (CNN) -- The American captain of a cargo ship held hostage by pirates jumped overboard from the lifeboat where he was being held, and U.S. Navy SEALs shot and killed three of his four captors, according to a senior U.S. official with knowledge of the situation. Capt. Richard Phillips escaped from pirates holding him in a lifeboat, a U.S. official said Sunday. snip (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/WORLD/africa/04/12/somalia.pirates/art.captain.family.photo.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: MuffyBee on April 12, 2009, 03:35:34 PM Fantastic ::MonkeyDance:: Thanks for the good news TM
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 03:40:08 PM http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/6/8/
(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/breaking%20news.gif) Papimentu translation: dokternan is purbando of scapa life of child sunday, 12 april 2009 - 15:18 24ora.com owing to wordo poni at height cu will was have one incidente cu owing to happen at arashi, caminda one hobencito of 6 anja owing to stay envolvi. apparently the hobencito will owing to bay strike one swim, caminda of one as or another the will owing to bay bao of water. at once esnan at canto owing to beat alarma y of immediate unidad of ambulance y cuerpo policial owing to movilisa y ayega rapidamente at the sitio, caminda the hobencito owing to wordo transporta for hospital. at the momentonan here, the hobencito is luchando among life y dead. dokternan is haciendo will maximo possible for scapa his life. stay pendiente for more informacion... come across Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: oldiebutgoodie on April 12, 2009, 05:09:13 PM O/T ::MonkeyDance:: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/04/12/somalia.pirates/index.html Captain jumps overboard, SEALs shoot pirates, official says (CNN) -- The American captain of a cargo ship held hostage by pirates jumped overboard from the lifeboat where he was being held, and U.S. Navy SEALs shot and killed three of his four captors, according to a senior U.S. official with knowledge of the situation. Capt. Richard Phillips escaped from pirates holding him in a lifeboat, a U.S. official said Sunday. snip (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/WORLD/africa/04/12/somalia.pirates/art.captain.family.photo.jpg) Obama Statement On Richard Phillips Statement by President Obama regarding the rescue of Captain Richard Phillips. I am very pleased that Captain Phillips has been rescued and is safely on board the USS Boxer. His safety has been our principal concern, and I know this is a welcome relief to his family and his crew. I am also very proud of the efforts of the U.S. military and many other departments and agencies who worked tirelessly to secure Captain Phillips's safe recovery. We remain resolved to halt the rise of piracy in this region. To achieve that goal, we must continue to work with our partners to prevent future attacks, be prepared to interdict acts of piracy and ensure that those who commit acts of piracy are held accountable for their crimes. I share the country's admiration for the bravery of Captain Phillips and his selfless concern for his crew. His courage is a model for all Americans. LINK (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/12/obama-statement-on-richar_n_185999.html) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 05:32:50 PM Thanks oldiebutgoodie! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 05:44:28 PM http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/6/8/ (http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/breaking%20news.gif) Papimentu translation: dokternan is purbando of scapa life of child sunday, 12 april 2009 - 15:18 24ora.com owing to wordo poni at height cu will was have one incidente cu owing to happen at arashi, caminda one hobencito of 6 anja owing to stay envolvi. apparently the hobencito will owing to bay strike one swim, caminda of one as or another the will owing to bay bao of water. at once esnan at canto owing to beat alarma y of immediate unidad of ambulance y cuerpo policial owing to movilisa y ayega rapidamente at the sitio, caminda the hobencito owing to wordo transporta for hospital. at the momentonan here, the hobencito is luchando among life y dead. dokternan is haciendo will maximo possible for scapa his life. stay pendiente for more informacion... come across Update: (I think it says the six year old boy was revived but will be in intensive care for the next 24 hours to determine if there is brain damage.) criatura of 6 year owing to scapa milagrosamente after of hera hoga at arashi sunday, 12 april 2009 - 15:18 alarma big owing to wordo beat diadomingo of resureccion in careda of 3’or for one child of six year that was hogando at arashi. here is deal of luis mariano webb live at calabas. several unidad of police y also ambulance owing to wordo send in the direccion here. click read more for more info... at arrival they owing to come across cu one doctor y one tourist mericano that was dunando first help. at once they owing to tume over y so follow reanime direccion for hospital. at hospital dokternan y personal of emergencia owing to follow work y so succeed cu the curazon owing to cuminza beat. owing to mande in cuido intensivo sperando 24 hour for see what damage the can owing to ocasiona the child at his cerebro. one acolyte of slachtoffer hulp owing to present y owing to talk cu family. they owing to bay also in kapel caminda owing to haci oracion for her criatura. come across Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Blue Moon on April 12, 2009, 06:49:42 PM http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/6/8/ (http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/breaking%20news.gif) Papimentu translation: dokternan is purbando of scapa life of child sunday, 12 april 2009 - 15:18 24ora.com owing to wordo poni at height cu will was have one incidente cu owing to happen at arashi, caminda one hobencito of 6 anja owing to stay envolvi. apparently the hobencito will owing to bay strike one swim, caminda of one as or another the will owing to bay bao of water. at once esnan at canto owing to beat alarma y of immediate unidad of ambulance y cuerpo policial owing to movilisa y ayega rapidamente at the sitio, caminda the hobencito owing to wordo transporta for hospital. at the momentonan here, the hobencito is luchando among life y dead. dokternan is haciendo will maximo possible for scapa his life. stay pendiente for more informacion... come across Update: (I think it says the six year old boy was revived but will be in intensive care for the next 24 hours to determine if there is brain damage.) criatura of 6 year owing to scapa milagrosamente after of hera hoga at arashi sunday, 12 april 2009 - 15:18 alarma big owing to wordo beat diadomingo of resureccion in careda of 3’or for one child of six year that was hogando at arashi. here is deal of luis mariano webb live at calabas. several unidad of police y also ambulance owing to wordo send in the direccion here. click read more for more info... at arrival they owing to come across cu one doctor y one tourist mericano that was dunando first help. at once they owing to tume over y so follow reanime direccion for hospital. at hospital dokternan y personal of emergencia owing to follow work y so succeed cu the curazon owing to cuminza beat. owing to mande in cuido intensivo sperando 24 hour for see what damage the can owing to ocasiona the child at his cerebro. one acolyte of slachtoffer hulp owing to present y owing to talk cu family. they owing to bay also in kapel caminda owing to haci oracion for her criatura. come across Just what is this saying? 6 yr. old almost drowned, taken to hospital, head hurt? come across. ::MonkeyConfused:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 06:56:25 PM http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/6/8/ (http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/breaking%20news.gif) Papimentu translation: dokternan is purbando of scapa life of child sunday, 12 april 2009 - 15:18 24ora.com owing to wordo poni at height cu will was have one incidente cu owing to happen at arashi, caminda one hobencito of 6 anja owing to stay envolvi. apparently the hobencito will owing to bay strike one swim, caminda of one as or another the will owing to bay bao of water. at once esnan at canto owing to beat alarma y of immediate unidad of ambulance y cuerpo policial owing to movilisa y ayega rapidamente at the sitio, caminda the hobencito owing to wordo transporta for hospital. at the momentonan here, the hobencito is luchando among life y dead. dokternan is haciendo will maximo possible for scapa his life. stay pendiente for more informacion... come across Update: (I think it says the six year old boy was revived but will be in intensive care for the next 24 hours to determine if there is brain damage.) criatura of 6 year owing to scapa milagrosamente after of hera hoga at arashi sunday, 12 april 2009 - 15:18 alarma big owing to wordo beat diadomingo of resureccion in careda of 3’or for one child of six year that was hogando at arashi. here is deal of luis mariano webb live at calabas. several unidad of police y also ambulance owing to wordo send in the direccion here. click read more for more info... at arrival they owing to come across cu one doctor y one tourist mericano that was dunando first help. at once they owing to tume over y so follow reanime direccion for hospital. at hospital dokternan y personal of emergencia owing to follow work y so succeed cu the curazon owing to cuminza beat. owing to mande in cuido intensivo sperando 24 hour for see what damage the can owing to ocasiona the child at his cerebro. one acolyte of slachtoffer hulp owing to present y owing to talk cu family. they owing to bay also in kapel caminda owing to haci oracion for her criatura. come across Just what is this saying? 6 yr. old almost drowned, taken to hospital, head hurt? come across. ::MonkeyConfused:: I think it says the six year old boy was revived but will be in intensive care for the next 24 hours to determine if there is brain damage. I do think he drowned, or almost anyway...his heart was not beating from what I gather until they worked on him at the hospital. The pictures at the website looked like they were performing CPR even as he was being rolling into the hospital. Hopefully, they started CPR soon enough. The report stated that a doctor and an American tourist were the first ones to try to help him. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: oldiebutgoodie on April 12, 2009, 06:57:58 PM Thanks oldiebutgoodie! ::MonkeyCool:: De nada. I think it helps when the leaders of our nation show they are personally emotionally involved with issues that affect all of us on an emotional level. Who will ever forget Laura Bush's public statement on all the TV channels post-9/11? I hope that captain gets back to his family ASAP. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 07:05:08 PM Thanks oldiebutgoodie! ::MonkeyCool:: De nada. I think it helps when the leaders of our nation show they are personally emotionally involved with issues that affect all of us on an emotional level. Who will ever forget Laura Bush's public statement on all the TV channels post-9/11? I hope that captain gets back to his family ASAP. Me too! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 12, 2009, 08:50:13 PM http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,514818,00.html
At Least 49 Injured as Protesters Clash With Soldiers in Bangkok BANGKOK — Anti-government demonstrators had their first serious clash with security forces in Bangkok early Monday, as soldiers fired hundreds of rounds from automatic weapons to clear a major road junction of rock-throwing protesters. At least 49 people were hurt. ------------- Do we have a current location on Joran? Oh, right! He's in Den Dolder. Well, not according to the photos we have seen but was in Laos possibly for Christmas. So I wonder if he is back in Thailand now for all this upheaval. This is the second round of it since he has been in that country. Must really put a damper on the partying. Imagine making a beer run in all that! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 12, 2009, 08:54:38 PM Hi texasmom
Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 12, 2009, 08:56:10 PM Hi Magnolia
Janet 6:00 PM Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 12, 2009, 09:07:37 PM Hi Magnolia Janet 6:00 PM Hi Janet Did you have a good Easter? I am exhausted.....How about ya'll? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Buckeye on April 12, 2009, 09:14:52 PM Natalee discussion on the Nancy Grace channel (with that dark haired lady). The Ho and the phone and getting put in place.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 09:15:53 PM Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 09:17:47 PM Natalee discussion on the Nancy Grace channel (with that dark haired lady). The Ho and the phone and getting put in place. Thanks Buckeye! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 12, 2009, 09:24:01 PM Hi Magnolia Janet 6:00 PM Hi Janet Did you have a good Easter? I am exhausted.....How about ya'll? Me too. Although we had a very nice Easter Sunday ... ot is so good to be home. Magnolia ... this morning I thought about you on top of that mountain yesterday freezing to death. At 8:15 am hubby and I were standing on the banks of the Fraser River with about 100 onlookers in the pouring rain huddled under an umbrella. Six new believers from our church chose to be baptized in the river. Crazy. Think about it. We have a baptismal tank right in the sanctuary of our church where it would have been so warm and dry. ::MonkeyWaa:: Anyways ... today there was a gathering of hubby's family at one of his sister's home for those who could make it. Good company and good food made for a very enjoyable day. Tomorrow ... Easter dinner is at daughter's home and ... do believe that Bunny will make an appearance. Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Buckeye on April 12, 2009, 09:24:19 PM "Cases that Changed America"
Julia had said people turned on Beth when she called the Kalpoes criminals...she didn't respect their justice system. The panel said it had nothing to do with the justice system...it was a botched investigation...then one said that Aruba does let criminal walk among tourists. Someone killed her and they are walking around. She didn't just disappear. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Buckeye on April 12, 2009, 09:24:46 PM JQK on now.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Blue Moon on April 12, 2009, 09:25:37 PM Hi Magnolia Janet 6:00 PM Hi Janet Did you have a good Easter? I am exhausted.....How about ya'll? Hi Mags. I am exhausted also. Just finished washing dishes and putting away the good "china". Only time I use it is on holidays. Rain tonight, MORE severe weather tomorrow and tomorrow night. I am getting sick of this weather and having to hide out in my "little" closet everytime we have tornado warnings. Getting to be like every 2 days we are getting it. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 12, 2009, 09:33:42 PM JQK on now. And he said there is no line when it is your child. I can't believe Julia would still be saying such a ridiculous thing. I wonder if they are so isolated in Aruba that they don't even realize they have earned a dreadful reputation as a result of what they did to this family in this tragedy. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 12, 2009, 09:35:16 PM "Cases that Changed America" Julia had said people turned on Beth when she called the Kalpoes criminals...she didn't respect their justice system. The panel said it had nothing to do with the justice system...it was a botched investigation...then one said that Aruba does let criminal walk among tourists. Someone killed her and they are walking around. She didn't just disappear. There is Julia Renfro's perspective and ... then there is the truth. Janet ++++++ JULIE RENFRO'S PERSPECTIVE ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL Cases That Changed America Aired March 27, 2009 - 19:00:00 ET VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Beth did suffer some criticism by the Arubans, did she not, Julia? RENFRO: Yes. But that started when -- actually, in July after the two Kalpoe brothers were released. She went on television, and she asked - - or she told the world that Aruba allowed criminals to walk amongst the tourists. And this was very upsetting for us, because that`s not what happened. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/27/ijvm.01.html THE TRUTH CNN LIVE TODAY Missing in Aruba Aired July 5, 2005 - 10:00 ET BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S MOTHER: It is now that I ask the world to help me. Two suspects were released yesterday who were involved in a violent crime against my daughter. These criminals are not only allowed to walk freely among the tourists and citizens of Aruba, but there are no limits where they may choose to travel. I am asking all mothers and fathers and all nations to hear my plea. I implore you, do not allow these two suspects, the Kalpoe brothers, to enter your country until this case is solved. Do not allow these criminals to walk among your citizens. Help me by not allowing these two to get away with this crime. It is my greatest fear today that the Kalpoe brothers will leave Aruba. I am asking the Aruban officials to notify the United States State Department in the event these suspects try to leave this island. I am asking all nations not to offer them a safe haven. I am asking this in the name of my beautiful, intelligent and outstanding daughter who I haven’t seen for 36 days and for whom I will continue to search until I find her. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/05/lt.03.html Beth Holloway LOVING NATALEE Page 157/158 No one is breathing. Or Moving. Reporters and camera people are crying. The media hve been here more than a month, and they’ve seen firsthand what we’ve experienced. They are moved by this plea. But some of the Arubans are not. Calling their local sons “criminals” offends them. Having just heard the prosecuting attorney tell us at least one of the Kalpoes could be involved in whatever happened to my daughter. I felt the term seemed appropriate. But it led to an abrupt change in the tide of support. … Not long after the “criminals speech,” some Arubans back off their prayer vigils for Natalee. A few protest in the streets against the barage of negative media. We’ve worn out our welcome at the Holiday Inn. And they let us know they’ve had it. The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us. Some Arubans angry at Holloway’s mom Calling brothers ‘criminals’ elicits resentment, statement from lawyer updated 6:56 p.m. PT, Wed., July. 6, 2005 ORANJESTAD, Aruba - A latent but growing resentment here became evident for the first time when more than 200 people, some wrapped in Aruban flags, said they were incensed by statements made by the mother of missing American teen Natalee Holloway. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8484217 'Scarborough Country' for July 6 updated 8:11 a.m. PT, Thurs., July. 7, 2005 JOHN MERRYWEATHER, FORMER ARUBA DIPLOMAT: I was not part of the organization, but I went there in support of our justice system. <snipped? SCARBOROUGH: No, what did Natalee’s mother say that offended so many people in Aruba? MERRYWEATHER: Well, you know, it—it—it offended me, also. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8498049/ Missing teen's mom apologizes for comments Statements 'fueled by despair' Friday, July 8, 2005; Posted: 6:41 p.m. EDT (22:41 GMT) ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) — The mother of Natalee Holloway apologized Friday for saying two released suspects were involved in her daughter’s disappearance. “The statements I made on July 5th were fueled by despair and frustration because of still not knowing where my daughter is,” Beth Holloway Twitty said in a statement to the media. “I think everyone, everyone can sympathize with that.” http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/08/missing.aruba/index.html Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 12, 2009, 09:42:25 PM Hi Magnolia Janet 6:00 PM Hi Janet Did you have a good Easter? I am exhausted.....How about ya'll? Me too. Although we had a very nice Easter Sunday ... ot is so good to be home. Magnolia ... this morning I thought about you on top of that mountain yesterday freezing to death. At 8:15 am hubby and I were standing on the banks of the Fraser River with about 100 onlookers in the pouring rain huddled under an umbrella. Six new believers from our church chose to be baptized in the river. Crazy. Think about it. We have a baptismal tank right in the sanctuary of our church where it would have been so warm and dry. ::MonkeyWaa:: Anyways ... today there was a gathering of hubby's family at one of his sister's home for those who could make it. Good company and good food made for a very enjoyable day. Tomorrow ... Easter dinner is at daughter's home and ... do believe that Bunny will make an appearance. Janet Janet, You are a better woman than I am. If I thought I had to go another day, I think I would run away. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Yesterday, when I came down the dirt road from the lake I hit a hole caused by all of this rain and tore up the bottom of my little Infiniti. There is transmission fluid,( I think ) all over the place. I should have known better than to take it out that dirt road. ::MonkeyWaa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Buckeye on April 12, 2009, 09:43:19 PM Janet
Thanks for the transcript link. I must have missed the show, the first time. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 12, 2009, 09:45:30 PM Hi Magnolia Janet 6:00 PM Hi Janet Did you have a good Easter? I am exhausted.....How about ya'll? Hi Mags. I am exhausted also. Just finished washing dishes and putting away the good "china". Only time I use it is on holidays. Rain tonight, MORE severe weather tomorrow and tomorrow night. I am getting sick of this weather and having to hide out in my "little" closet everytime we have tornado warnings. Getting to be like every 2 days we are getting it. Same here....weather and all. It does your heart good to use the good china though. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 09:47:19 PM JQK on now. VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`re back talking about the case of Natalee Holloway, a mysterious international disappearance that changed America and the world. Joining me now is a very special guest, John Q. Kelly, the attorney for Natalee`s parents, Dave Holloway and Beth Holloway Twitty. John, thanks for joining us. JOHN Q. KELLY, ATTORNEY FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S PARENTS: Sure, Jane. VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Natalee`s parents have suffered the greatest loss any human being can face: losing a child, having no closure, no answers. Do they find solace in the fact that this case has changed the world? KELLY: I don`t think, so really. I mean, you just can`t ease that pain at all, and the most difficult part is knowing that someone knows exactly what happened to their daughter and they can`t get the answer. And you know, they`ve done a terrific job of, you know, using the media, never ending their search in what happened to Natalee. But, you know, the pain is still there. And it`s always there. And as a parent, you feel that you can never do enough to get the answers you need or the closure, and they can`t get it yet. VELEZ-MITCHELL: What about the role of videotape in this case and how videotape is being increasingly used in cases like this? We all saw the apparent confession of Joran. Of course, he and his attorneys say that is not a confession. He was just lying to please his friend. Nevertheless, the Aruban courts did not use that to prosecute him. Is that something that really irks the Holloway family? KELLY: Well, of course it does. And the problem is Aruba`s taken the position that, you know, Joran Van Der Sloot has told so many lies that you can`t rely on one of them to serve as a confession. But the flip side of that, more importantly, is he was clearly the last person with her. He`s fabricated at least a half dozen stories of what happened to her. She`s never been seen again since being in his presence. So the fact that the circumstantial evidence indicates that he was the last one with her, he, you know, deliberately fabricated stories about what happened to her. She`s never been found should be enough, alone, to prosecute him. VELEZ-MITCHELL: I was struck by something you said a long time ago, that adults sometimes plan for years to pull off the perfect crime, smart adults, and they`re quickly caught. And yet, it seems here with absolutely no preparation, a perfect crime was sort of pulled off. KELLY: Well, I don`t think it was done by he alone. I think he had help. I think he had adults that helped him along, that enabled him to get away with this, which is unfortunate. And you know, it`s interesting. I think one or more of your panelists before talked about maybe back crossing the line, but I think when you are a parent and you need answers to your child`s whereabouts, and you know that someone has them and you can`t get them, it`s -- it`s hard to even go on then. VELEZ-MITCHELL: How has Beth Holloway Twitty worked to change how people, especially Americans, American kids behave when they go abroad? The preparations they make, the coordination between parent and child. This has become her life work, I understand? KELLY: Well, sure. Her save travel program, and she did does a lot of lecturing on it and writing and speaking and appearances. And the bottom line is that there a lot of wonderful places your children can go within this country. You don`t want to be caught in a foreign jurisdiction where you can`t seek help, that no one will listen to your pleas, and they really don`t care about whether they`re solve your problems when they want to tend to their own instead. So she really drew the spotlight on the dangers facing children going away to foreign countries. VELEZ-MITCHELL: John, thank you so very much for joining us. KELLY: Sure. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 12, 2009, 09:52:19 PM Hi Magnolia Janet 6:00 PM Hi Janet Did you have a good Easter? I am exhausted.....How about ya'll? Me too. Although we had a very nice Easter Sunday ... ot is so good to be home. Magnolia ... this morning I thought about you on top of that mountain yesterday freezing to death. At 8:15 am hubby and I were standing on the banks of the Fraser River with about 100 onlookers in the pouring rain huddled under an umbrella. Six new believers from our church chose to be baptized in the river. Crazy. Think about it. We have a baptismal tank right in the sanctuary of our church where it would have been so warm and dry. ::MonkeyWaa:: Anyways ... today there was a gathering of hubby's family at one of his sister's home for those who could make it. Good company and good food made for a very enjoyable day. Tomorrow ... Easter dinner is at daughter's home and ... do believe that Bunny will make an appearance. Janet Janet, You are a better woman than I am. If I thought I had to go another day, I think I would run away. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Yesterday, when I came down the dirt road from the lake I hit a hole caused by all of this rain and tore up the bottom of my little Infiniti. There is transmission fluid,( I think ) all over the place. I should have known better than to take it out that dirt road. ::MonkeyWaa:: That's terrible Magnolia. What will you drive while getting your vehicle fixed? Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 12, 2009, 09:56:05 PM Hi Magnolia Janet 6:00 PM Hi Janet Did you have a good Easter? I am exhausted.....How about ya'll? Me too. Although we had a very nice Easter Sunday ... ot is so good to be home. Magnolia ... this morning I thought about you on top of that mountain yesterday freezing to death. At 8:15 am hubby and I were standing on the banks of the Fraser River with about 100 onlookers in the pouring rain huddled under an umbrella. Six new believers from our church chose to be baptized in the river. Crazy. Think about it. We have a baptismal tank right in the sanctuary of our church where it would have been so warm and dry. ::MonkeyWaa:: Anyways ... today there was a gathering of hubby's family at one of his sister's home for those who could make it. Good company and good food made for a very enjoyable day. Tomorrow ... Easter dinner is at daughter's home and ... do believe that Bunny will make an appearance. Janet Janet, You are a better woman than I am. If I thought I had to go another day, I think I would run away. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Yesterday, when I came down the dirt road from the lake I hit a hole caused by all of this rain and tore up the bottom of my little Infiniti. There is transmission fluid,( I think ) all over the place. I should have known better than to take it out that dirt road. ::MonkeyWaa:: That's terrible Magnolia. What will you drive while getting your vehicle fixed? Janet The truck! Old but reliable! I would have turned those new believers into Methodist and stuck their head out into the pouring rain and sprinkled them. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 12, 2009, 09:57:56 PM Janet Thanks for the transcript link. I must have missed the show, the first time. You are welcome Magnolia. The JVM interview that is happening right now is a rerun. Check out that same link for the John Q. Kelly interview. Janet ++++++ ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL Cases That Changed America Aired March 27, 2009 - 19:00:00 ET http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/27/ijvm.01.html Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 12, 2009, 10:04:22 PM Hi Magnolia Janet 6:00 PM Hi Janet Did you have a good Easter? I am exhausted.....How about ya'll? Me too. Although we had a very nice Easter Sunday ... ot is so good to be home. Magnolia ... this morning I thought about you on top of that mountain yesterday freezing to death. At 8:15 am hubby and I were standing on the banks of the Fraser River with about 100 onlookers in the pouring rain huddled under an umbrella. Six new believers from our church chose to be baptized in the river. Crazy. Think about it. We have a baptismal tank right in the sanctuary of our church where it would have been so warm and dry. ::MonkeyWaa:: Anyways ... today there was a gathering of hubby's family at one of his sister's home for those who could make it. Good company and good food made for a very enjoyable day. Tomorrow ... Easter dinner is at daughter's home and ... do believe that Bunny will make an appearance. Janet Janet, You are a better woman than I am. If I thought I had to go another day, I think I would run away. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Yesterday, when I came down the dirt road from the lake I hit a hole caused by all of this rain and tore up the bottom of my little Infiniti. There is transmission fluid,( I think ) all over the place. I should have known better than to take it out that dirt road. ::MonkeyWaa:: That's terrible Magnolia. What will you drive while getting your vehicle fixed? Janet The truck! Old but reliable! I would have turned those new believers into Methodist and stuck their head out into the pouring rain and sprinkled them. ::MonkeyHaHa:: I guess I am getting old. Young people today are so rebellious ... ::MonkeyHaHa:: Same with childbirth. These young moms claim that feeling every pain ... every contraction associated with labor is part of "the experience" ... part of the "bonding process". Hey ... they could have knocked me out and woke me when it was all over. I knew I had years ahead of me to work on the "bonding process". ::MonkeyNoNo:: Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 10:05:53 PM "Cases that Changed America" Julia had said people turned on Beth when she called the Kalpoes criminals...she didn't respect their justice system. The panel said it had nothing to do with the justice system...it was a botched investigation...then one said that Aruba does let criminal walk among tourists. Someone killed her and they are walking around. She didn't just disappear. There is Julia Renfro's perspective and ... then there is the truth. Janet ++++++ JULIE RENFRO'S PERSPECTIVE ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL Cases That Changed America Aired March 27, 2009 - 19:00:00 ET VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Beth did suffer some criticism by the Arubans, did she not, Julia? RENFRO: Yes. But that started when -- actually, in July after the two Kalpoe brothers were released. She went on television, and she asked - - or she told the world that Aruba allowed criminals to walk amongst the tourists. And this was very upsetting for us, because that`s not what happened. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/27/ijvm.01.html THE TRUTH CNN LIVE TODAY Missing in Aruba Aired July 5, 2005 - 10:00 ET BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S MOTHER: It is now that I ask the world to help me. Two suspects were released yesterday who were involved in a violent crime against my daughter. These criminals are not only allowed to walk freely among the tourists and citizens of Aruba, but there are no limits where they may choose to travel. I am asking all mothers and fathers and all nations to hear my plea. I implore you, do not allow these two suspects, the Kalpoe brothers, to enter your country until this case is solved. Do not allow these criminals to walk among your citizens. Help me by not allowing these two to get away with this crime. It is my greatest fear today that the Kalpoe brothers will leave Aruba. I am asking the Aruban officials to notify the United States State Department in the event these suspects try to leave this island. I am asking all nations not to offer them a safe haven. I am asking this in the name of my beautiful, intelligent and outstanding daughter who I haven’t seen for 36 days and for whom I will continue to search until I find her. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/05/lt.03.html Beth Holloway LOVING NATALEE Page 157/158 No one is breathing. Or Moving. Reporters and camera people are crying. The media hve been here more than a month, and they’ve seen firsthand what we’ve experienced. They are moved by this plea. But some of the Arubans are not. Calling their local sons “criminals” offends them. Having just heard the prosecuting attorney tell us at least one of the Kalpoes could be involved in whatever happened to my daughter. I felt the term seemed appropriate. But it led to an abrupt change in the tide of support. … Not long after the “criminals speech,” some Arubans back off their prayer vigils for Natalee. A few protest in the streets against the barage of negative media. We’ve worn out our welcome at the Holiday Inn. And they let us know they’ve had it. The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us. Some Arubans angry at Holloway’s mom Calling brothers ‘criminals’ elicits resentment, statement from lawyer updated 6:56 p.m. PT, Wed., July. 6, 2005 ORANJESTAD, Aruba - A latent but growing resentment here became evident for the first time when more than 200 people, some wrapped in Aruban flags, said they were incensed by statements made by the mother of missing American teen Natalee Holloway. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8484217 'Scarborough Country' for July 6 updated 8:11 a.m. PT, Thurs., July. 7, 2005 JOHN MERRYWEATHER, FORMER ARUBA DIPLOMAT: I was not part of the organization, but I went there in support of our justice system. <snipped? SCARBOROUGH: No, what did Natalee’s mother say that offended so many people in Aruba? MERRYWEATHER: Well, you know, it—it—it offended me, also. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8498049/ Missing teen's mom apologizes for comments Statements 'fueled by despair' Friday, July 8, 2005; Posted: 6:41 p.m. EDT (22:41 GMT) ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) — The mother of Natalee Holloway apologized Friday for saying two released suspects were involved in her daughter’s disappearance. “The statements I made on July 5th were fueled by despair and frustration because of still not knowing where my daughter is,” Beth Holloway Twitty said in a statement to the media. “I think everyone, everyone can sympathize with that.” http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/08/missing.aruba/index.html Every time I even think about Beth apologizing my blood pressure rises! ::MonkeyNoNo:: (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/smileys/madMonkey.gif) Everything she said was TRUE, and she should have never had to apologize for it! JMO And John Merryweather makes me sick! "I was not part of the organization, but I went there in support of our justice system." WHAT JUSTICE SYSTEM? I could rant for a day or two about that but I'll leave it at that! Again, JMO ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 10:09:22 PM Hey everybody, one week from tonight we'll be watching the Lifetime movie!
::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 12, 2009, 10:09:49 PM Good Evening Monkeys.....Looks like The View will have something about The Natalee
Movie ::MonkeyCool:: The View This week ABC Friday, Apr. 17 Matthew Perry (17 Again); Tracy Pollan (Natalee Holloway) http://abc.go.com/daytime/theview/schedule Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 10:14:03 PM Good Evening Monkeys.....Looks like The View will have something about The Natalee Movie ::MonkeyCool:: The View This week ABC Friday, Apr. 17 Matthew Perry (17 Again); Tracy Pollan (Natalee Holloway) http://abc.go.com/daytime/theview/schedule wooohooo Thanks Hotping! ::MonkeyCool:: Maybe Frank will watch it for us and post a summary! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue:: I'll never forget that about Frank....last time he was watching the view to report back for us...suicide hotline had to talk him down...and Greta wasn't even on the show like she was supposed to be! ::MonkeyLaugh:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 12, 2009, 10:15:12 PM Hey everybody, one week from tonight we'll be watching the Lifetime movie! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: I'm even going to break out the instruction booklet and learn how to record in honor of this. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 12, 2009, 10:15:54 PM John Merryweather is another American traitor.
I cannot think of one American living in Aruba who came to Beth's aid. I guess they wouldn't be living there if they had any loyalty to fellow Americans. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 10:17:23 PM ohhh, I forgot for a minute. Did Frank go over to the darkside? Seems like I remember something about that? If so, guess he won't bring us a report anyway.
::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 12, 2009, 10:18:18 PM Hey everybody, one week from tonight we'll be watching the Lifetime movie! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: texasmom ... considering the movie is a Beth Holloway production ... I am expecting her perception that a corrupt investigation prevented justice from prevailing for her precious daughter will reveal the "powers that be" in Aruba for what they are ... dispicable!! As I do not get Lifetime soooo ... I have already invited hubby and me for dinner at my youngest son's Dutch American inlaws who reside just across the American/Canadian board ... a 30 minute drive. I am bringing dessert. Son's FIL is also going to record the movie for me. ::cartwheel:: Janet Janet Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 12, 2009, 10:18:19 PM Good Evening Monkeys.....Looks like The View will have something about The Natalee Movie ::MonkeyCool:: The View This week ABC Friday, Apr. 17 Matthew Perry (17 Again); Tracy Pollan (Natalee Holloway) http://abc.go.com/daytime/theview/schedule wooohooo Thanks Hotping! ::MonkeyCool:: Maybe Frank will watch it for us and post a summary! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue:: I'll never forget that about Frank....last time he was watching the view to report back for us...suicide hotline had to talk him down...and Greta wasn't even on the show like she was supposed to be! ::MonkeyLaugh:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 10:18:54 PM Hey everybody, one week from tonight we'll be watching the Lifetime movie! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: I'm even going to break out the instruction booklet and learn how to record in honor of this. ::MonkeyHaHa:: I think I need to go buy a new recorder this week, I think lightning has messed mine up! It still works some, but can't program anything. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 12, 2009, 10:19:42 PM ohhh, I forgot for a minute. Did Frank go over to the darkside? Seems like I remember something about that? If so, guess he won't bring us a report anyway. ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWaa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: billb's daughter on April 12, 2009, 10:19:54 PM Texasmom post:
snipped: KELLY: Well, of course it does. And the problem is Aruba`s taken the position that, you know, Joran Van Der Sloot has told so many lies that you can`t rely on one of them to serve as a confession. But the flip side of that, more importantly, is he was clearly the last person with her. He`s fabricated at least a half dozen stories of what happened to her. She`s never been seen again since being in his presence. So the fact that the circumstantial evidence indicates that he was the last one with her, he, you know, deliberately fabricated stories about what happened to her. She`s never been found should be enough, alone, to prosecute him. The bottom line for me: ANY respectable/accountable Law enforcement agency would pressure urine for a story that would be plausible AND checked to make it stands up as plausible. ANYTHING short of that, the perp would be prosecuted! ANYTHING short of prosecution reeks of COVERUP! If nothing else, the Hague (World Court) should demand the case files imediately when Aruba says this phase of the investigation is closed. Don't allow Aruba to drag this out any longer....turn the case files over to independent authorities. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 12, 2009, 10:21:08 PM Hey everybody, one week from tonight we'll be watching the Lifetime movie! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: texasmom ... considering the movie is a Beth Holloway production ... I am expecting her perception that a corrupt investigation prevented justice from prevailing for her precious daughter will reveal the "powers that be" in Aruba for what they are ... dispicable!! As I do not get Lifetime soooo ... I have already invited hubby and me for dinner at my youngest son's Dutch American inlaws who reside just across the American/Canadian board ... a 30 minute drive. I am bringing dessert. Son's FIL is also going to record the movie for me. ::cartwheel:: Janet Janet Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 10:21:31 PM John Merryweather is another American traitor. I cannot think of one American living in Aruba who came to Beth's aid. I guess they wouldn't be living there if they had any loyalty to fellow Americans. I agree Magnolia! ::MonkeyNoNo:: Sorry about your car! I hope you can get it fixed! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 12, 2009, 10:25:23 PM Hey everybody, one week from tonight we'll be watching the Lifetime movie! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: texasmom ... considering the movie is a Beth Holloway production ... I am expecting her perception that a corrupt investigation prevented justice from prevailing for her precious daughter will reveal the "powers that be" in Aruba for what they are ... dispicable!! As I do not get Lifetime soooo ... I have already invited hubby and me for dinner at my youngest son's Dutch American inlaws who reside just across the American/Canadian board ... a 30 minute drive. I am bringing dessert. Son's FIL is also going to record the movie for me. ::cartwheel:: Janet Yup! Hotping ... I hope you had a good day. Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 10:26:15 PM Texasmom post: snipped: KELLY: Well, of course it does. And the problem is Aruba`s taken the position that, you know, Joran Van Der Sloot has told so many lies that you can`t rely on one of them to serve as a confession. But the flip side of that, more importantly, is he was clearly the last person with her. He`s fabricated at least a half dozen stories of what happened to her. She`s never been seen again since being in his presence. So the fact that the circumstantial evidence indicates that he was the last one with her, he, you know, deliberately fabricated stories about what happened to her. She`s never been found should be enough, alone, to prosecute him. The bottom line for me: ANY respectable/accountable Law enforcement agency would pressure urine for a story that would be plausible AND checked to make it stands up as plausible. ANYTHING short of that, the perp would be prosecuted! ANYTHING short of prosecution reeks of COVERUP! If nothing else, the Hague (World Court) should demand the case files imediately when Aruba says this phase of the investigation is closed. Don't allow Aruba to drag this out any longer....turn the case files over to independent authorities. AMEN billb! ::MonkeyCool:: Of course ALE has proven to be neither respectable...or so far accountable! I just hope there's something left of the case files by the time anyone gets them...I predict a fire, flood, or some other disaster that will prevent that ever happening. ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 12, 2009, 10:26:19 PM John Merryweather is another American traitor. I cannot think of one American living in Aruba who came to Beth's aid. I guess they wouldn't be living there if they had any loyalty to fellow Americans. I agree Magnolia! ::MonkeyNoNo:: Sorry about your car! I hope you can get it fixed! TY, TM! Me too. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 12, 2009, 10:30:35 PM Hey everybody, one week from tonight we'll be watching the Lifetime movie! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: texasmom ... considering the movie is a Beth Holloway production ... I am expecting her perception that a corrupt investigation prevented justice from prevailing for her precious daughter will reveal the "powers that be" in Aruba for what they are ... dispicable!! As I do not get Lifetime soooo ... I have already invited hubby and me for dinner at my youngest son's Dutch American inlaws who reside just across the American/Canadian board ... a 30 minute drive. I am bringing dessert. Son's FIL is also going to record the movie for me. ::cartwheel:: Janet Yup! Hotping ... I hope you had a good day. Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 12, 2009, 10:30:53 PM John Merryweather is another American traitor. I cannot think of one American living in Aruba who came to Beth's aid. I guess they wouldn't be living there if they had any loyalty to fellow Americans. I agree Magnolia! ::MonkeyNoNo:: Sorry about your car! I hope you can get it fixed! TY, TM! Me too. Magnolia, I hope you are braced for this second round of storms later tonight! Rough spring for us! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 10:31:25 PM Hey everybody, one week from tonight we'll be watching the Lifetime movie! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: texasmom ... considering the movie is a Beth Holloway production ... I am expecting her perception that a corrupt investigation prevented justice from prevailing for her precious daughter will reveal the "powers that be" in Aruba for what they are ... dispicable!! As I do not get Lifetime soooo ... I have already invited hubby and me for dinner at my youngest son's Dutch American inlaws who reside just across the American/Canadian board ... a 30 minute drive. I am bringing dessert. Son's FIL is also going to record the movie for me. ::cartwheel:: Janet I agree Janet, I hope nothing was held back in revealing just how dispicable they really are!!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 12, 2009, 10:35:52 PM Hey everybody, one week from tonight we'll be watching the Lifetime movie! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: texasmom ... considering the movie is a Beth Holloway production ... I am expecting her perception that a corrupt investigation prevented justice from prevailing for her precious daughter will reveal the "powers that be" in Aruba for what they are ... dispicable!! As I do not get Lifetime soooo ... I have already invited hubby and me for dinner at my youngest son's Dutch American inlaws who reside just across the American/Canadian board ... a 30 minute drive. I am bringing dessert. Son's FIL is also going to record the movie for me. ::cartwheel:: Janet I agree Janet, I hope nothing was held back in revealing just how dispicable they really are!!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 12, 2009, 10:38:34 PM Remember Beth once said she would write a second book this time focusing more on the EVIDENCE instead of her journey through this.
I hope she will still do that. And I wonder what we still don't know because we have seen hardly any of the statements taken, etc. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 12, 2009, 10:40:03 PM John Merryweather is another American traitor. I cannot think of one American living in Aruba who came to Beth's aid. I guess they wouldn't be living there if they had any loyalty to fellow Americans. I agree Magnolia! ::MonkeyNoNo:: Sorry about your car! I hope you can get it fixed! TY, TM! Me too. Magnolia, I hope you are braced for this second round of storms later tonight! Rough spring for us! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 12, 2009, 10:59:46 PM John Merryweather is another American traitor. I cannot think of one American living in Aruba who came to Beth's aid. I guess they wouldn't be living there if they had any loyalty to fellow Americans. I agree Magnolia! ::MonkeyNoNo:: Sorry about your car! I hope you can get it fixed! TY, TM! Me too. Magnolia, I hope you are braced for this second round of storms later tonight! Rough spring for us! It is storming here right now. No warnings, but huge thunder and lightening and downpours. Ugh! ::MonkeyWaa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 12, 2009, 11:03:02 PM John Merryweather is another American traitor. I cannot think of one American living in Aruba who came to Beth's aid. I guess they wouldn't be living there if they had any loyalty to fellow Americans. I agree Magnolia! ::MonkeyNoNo:: Sorry about your car! I hope you can get it fixed! TY, TM! Me too. Magnolia, I hope you are braced for this second round of storms later tonight! Rough spring for us! It is storming here right now. No warnings, but huge thunder and lightening and downpours. Ugh! ::MonkeyWaa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 12, 2009, 11:03:13 PM Remember when Beth and Greta started to go through Beth's journal? They did one program I think it was then nothing more.
I would LOVE to look through that journal and see notes made in real time. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 11:09:45 PM Hey everybody, one week from tonight we'll be watching the Lifetime movie! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: texasmom ... considering the movie is a Beth Holloway production ... I am expecting her perception that a corrupt investigation prevented justice from prevailing for her precious daughter will reveal the "powers that be" in Aruba for what they are ... dispicable!! As I do not get Lifetime soooo ... I have already invited hubby and me for dinner at my youngest son's Dutch American inlaws who reside just across the American/Canadian board ... a 30 minute drive. I am bringing dessert. Son's FIL is also going to record the movie for me. ::cartwheel:: Janet I agree Janet, I hope nothing was held back in revealing just how dispicable they really are!!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: Janet, I think we meant to say "despicable". :oops: :oops: I was trying to post the correction, but I got locked out! ::MonkeyWaa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: pinkbanana on April 12, 2009, 11:10:20 PM Happy Easter Monkey Family!
pb Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 11:13:04 PM John Merryweather is another American traitor. I cannot think of one American living in Aruba who came to Beth's aid. I guess they wouldn't be living there if they had any loyalty to fellow Americans. I agree Magnolia! ::MonkeyNoNo:: Sorry about your car! I hope you can get it fixed! TY, TM! Me too. Magnolia, I hope you are braced for this second round of storms later tonight! Rough spring for us! It is storming here right now. No warnings, but huge thunder and lightening and downpours. Ugh! ::MonkeyWaa:: Stay safe Magnolia! We had terrible storms here this morning! It poured rain and the thunder was the kind that rolled and rolled and horrible lightning. I was surprised we didn't lose power. It was scary...but luckily no damage. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: San on April 12, 2009, 11:15:25 PM John Merryweather is another American traitor. I cannot think of one American living in Aruba who came to Beth's aid. I guess they wouldn't be living there if they had any loyalty to fellow Americans. Exactly Magnolia. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 12, 2009, 11:25:01 PM John Merryweather is another American traitor. I cannot think of one American living in Aruba who came to Beth's aid. I guess they wouldn't be living there if they had any loyalty to fellow Americans. Exactly Magnolia. And didn't his wife even speak in an interview saying Natalee went voluntarily and so couldn't have been kidnapped? They must have one strange definition of kidnapped! ::MonkeyConfused:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2009, 11:28:38 PM John Merryweather is another American traitor. I cannot think of one American living in Aruba who came to Beth's aid. I guess they wouldn't be living there if they had any loyalty to fellow Americans. Exactly Magnolia. And didn't his wife even speak in an interview saying Natalee went voluntarily and so couldn't have been kidnapped? They must have one strange definition of kidnapped! ::MonkeyConfused:: I don't recall that one, but I don't doubt it for a second! Caps tried to tell me one time that Dave had Merryweather handling the investigation for him or something to that effect, I told him he must be mistaken! ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 12, 2009, 11:28:54 PM Remember Beth once said she would write a second book this time focusing more on the EVIDENCE instead of her journey through this. I hope she will still do that. And I wonder what we still don't know because we have seen hardly any of the statements taken, etc. A SECOND BOOK - THE EVIDENCE The Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio - Monday, October 15, 2007 - Guests Include Beth Holloway Twitty and LaDonna Meredith Beth Holloway Twitty discussing her new book, Loving Natalee: A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith. http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/10/15/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-listen-live-monday-october-15-at-9pm-eastern-guests-include-beth-holloway-twitty-and-ladonna-meredith-2/ Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 12, 2009, 11:39:50 PM Remember when Beth and Greta started to go through Beth's journal? They did one program I think it was then nothing more. I would LOVE to look through that journal and see notes made in real time. Natalee Holloway's Hometown Tuesday, August 02, 2005 BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I think I just saw specific little details that just have started eating me alive just, I mean, from details of that first night, when we met Joran and Paul and Deepak, you know, just little details that have been eating away at me on this pick-up time at McDonald's, you know, Paul van der Sloot stated specifically and emphatically he picked them up at 4 a.m. I have it documented in my journal too many times to know that... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,164506,00.html Growing Frustration in Aruba Wednesday, July 06, 2005 BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... But there's something that really bothers me, and I don't think I've made any secrets about it, I've kept a journal of everything everyone said, what day, timeframes. And there's something that really has been bothering me as I read over and over my journal, is I know on the 31st that Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked Joran up at 4 a.m. at McDonald's. It was also said to me by a police spokesperson on June 16 and June 17 that Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked up Joran at 4 a.m. on the 31st at McDonald's. But I noticed on the day that I visited Paul van der Sloot at his home, all of a sudden, it was changed to 11 p.m. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161705,00.html Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 12, 2009, 11:47:42 PM Janet, I think we meant to say "despicable". :oops: :oops: I was trying to post the correction, but I got locked out! ::MonkeyWaa:: :oops: :oops: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 12, 2009, 11:49:00 PM GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!! GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!
Janet 8:50 PM Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 13, 2009, 12:00:57 AM GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!! GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!! Janet 8:50 PM Good Night Janet! ::MonkeyCool:: (((hugs))) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 13, 2009, 12:02:34 AM Well, we certainly knew what you meant! We can certainly read around a minor typo or case or original spelling. Sometimes I find myself using phonetic spelling on word I should be able to spell!
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 13, 2009, 12:04:11 AM It's the replay of JVM on now.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 13, 2009, 12:06:25 AM GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!! GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!! Good Night Janet! ::MonkeyCool::Janet 8:50 PM Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 13, 2009, 12:10:03 AM I sure hope Magnolia is OK.....
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 13, 2009, 12:16:56 AM I sure hope Magnolia is OK..... Me too! Hopefully she'll check in as soon as she can! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 13, 2009, 12:18:16 AM I sure hope Magnolia is OK..... Me too! Hopefully she'll check in as soon as she can! The radar maps look scary for the whole state. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 13, 2009, 12:18:30 AM Well, we certainly knew what you meant! We can certainly read around a minor typo or case or original spelling. Sometimes I find myself using phonetic spelling on word I should be able to spell! Thanks Anna, it just drives me crazy to notice spelling errors right AFTER I post them. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyConfused:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 13, 2009, 12:18:32 AM I sure hope Magnolia is OK..... I am fine, Hotping. ::MonkeyDance:: The power was out for a while due to high winds and falling trees. Back up and running now. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 13, 2009, 12:20:22 AM I sure hope Magnolia is OK..... I am fine, Hotping. ::MonkeyDance:: The power was out for a while due to high winds and falling trees. Back up and running now. ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: I'm so glad you're alright! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 13, 2009, 12:20:59 AM Well, we certainly knew what you meant! We can certainly read around a minor typo or case or original spelling. Sometimes I find myself using phonetic spelling on word I should be able to spell! Thanks Anna, it just drives me crazy to notice spelling errors right AFTER I post them. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyConfused:: Oddly enough, it only bothers me if I am the one doing it. Otherwise, doesn't bother me at all if in somebody else's post. ::MonkeyConfused:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 13, 2009, 12:22:17 AM I sure hope Magnolia is OK..... I am fine, Hotping. ::MonkeyDance:: The power was out for a while due to high winds and falling trees. Back up and running now. ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: I'm so glad you're alright! ::MonkeyCool:: Dog was scared, but I wasn't. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Thanks for the concern. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 13, 2009, 12:22:27 AM It's the replay of JVM on now. Julia Renfro....uggghhh. Her voice and her constant repeat, restarts of sentences...it's about like fingernails down a chalkboard for me. ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 13, 2009, 12:23:45 AM I sure hope Magnolia is OK..... I am fine, Hotping. ::MonkeyDance:: The power was out for a while due to high winds and falling trees. Back up and running now. Oh, well, if it's just high winds and falling trees! Was afraid the woods might be on fire again, lol. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Who would ever think we would become so accustomed to all this we just keep typing! ::MonkeyNoNo:: I do still disconnect for lightening, however. When that starts here, will log off. Have had several major appliances be zapped over the years. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 13, 2009, 12:24:20 AM I sure hope Magnolia is OK..... I am fine, Hotping. ::MonkeyDance:: The power was out for a while due to high winds and falling trees. Back up and running now. ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: I'm so glad you're alright! ::MonkeyCool:: Dog was scared, but I wasn't. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Thanks for the concern. ::MonkeyHaHa:: I know what you mean, my shelties were stuck to me like glue this morning when it was storming here. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 13, 2009, 12:26:43 AM It's the replay of JVM on now. Julia Renfro....uggghhh. Her voice and her constant repeat, restarts of sentences...it's about like fingernails down a chalkboard for me. ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Yeah, I missed her the first time it was on tonight and tuned in just to hear her again. She is like the evil woman in the Dalmatians movie. I love to hear her because I know she will be so totally and obviously despicable. And her reasoning is so skewed and insane. Like a mother should care more about Aruban tourism than her own child? GMAB! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 13, 2009, 12:30:51 AM I sure hope Magnolia is OK..... I am fine, Hotping. ::MonkeyDance:: The power was out for a while due to high winds and falling trees. Back up and running now. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 13, 2009, 12:32:05 AM It's the replay of JVM on now. Julia Renfro....uggghhh. Her voice and her constant repeat, restarts of sentences...it's about like fingernails down a chalkboard for me. ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 13, 2009, 12:35:28 AM I sure hope Magnolia is OK..... I am fine, Hotping. ::MonkeyDance:: The power was out for a while due to high winds and falling trees. Back up and running now. ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: I'm so glad you're alright! ::MonkeyCool:: Dog was scared, but I wasn't. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Thanks for the concern. ::MonkeyHaHa:: I know what you mean, my shelties were stuck to me like glue this morning when it was storming here. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 13, 2009, 12:37:24 AM I sure hope Magnolia is OK..... I am fine, Hotping. ::MonkeyDance:: The power was out for a while due to high winds and falling trees. Back up and running now. Oh, well, if it's just high winds and falling trees! Was afraid the woods might be on fire again, lol. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Who would ever think we would become so accustomed to all this we just keep typing! ::MonkeyNoNo:: I do still disconnect for lightening, however. When that starts here, will log off. Have had several major appliances be zapped over the years. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 13, 2009, 12:47:43 AM Good Night All!
::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 13, 2009, 12:50:32 AM Good Night All! ::MonkeyCool:: Good Night Hotping! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 13, 2009, 02:10:45 AM (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg) Truth & Justice for Natalee! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 13, 2009, 09:14:41 AM Good Morning Lifesong
I could not sleep so ... I made myself a cuppa tea and ... I made the decision to use the quiet time with no distraction to again read through your amazing timeline ... starting from the beginning. I am not yet half way through but the Superior Offshore research is no longer so overwhelming. I am beginning to comprehend the bigger picture. Thank you. Janet 6:15 AM PT Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 13, 2009, 10:16:19 AM Good Morning Monkeys! ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 13, 2009, 10:41:39 AM Good Morning Monkeys! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 13, 2009, 10:52:39 AM Considering the December 30, 2007 meeting on board the Persistence as well as the visual dive on the the trap that the Aruban's deemed insignificant to the Natalee Holloway case ... there is something wrong with Kyle Kingman's December 31, 2007 words which he posted on his blog. Those words were a complete fabrication.
Janet +++++++++ The Search for Natalee Holloway IX. Dive Series - The Next Phase Mon 31-Dec - 1022hrs The Persistence spent yesterday performing multiple dives with the ROV. The purpose of the dives is for collecting video of each sonar target. Typically, the sonar target is quickly identified and ruled out from the ROV video. The ROV operations lasted until dusk, where we resumed sonar survey operations through the night. Today, we are performing more ROV dives on targets of potential interest. http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/12/ix-dive-series-next-phase.html DECEMBER 30, 2007 KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS Kyle Kingman: On the morning of the 30th we met on board the Persistence with Hans Mos, Richardson, and the rest of the police brass and dive division. I showed them all the 29th dive video and they agreed that it was very suspicion and looked promising. Kyle Kingman: Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan. We discussed ahead of time 1 thumb up means positively human remains, 2 thumbs up... something conclusively identifying Natalee. Kyle Kingman:[/b] The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present). Kyle Kingman: John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 13, 2009, 10:55:18 AM Good Morning Monkeys! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool:: Hotping is sure frisky this morning. She must have had a good night sleep. What is special on the breakfast menu this morning. ::MonkeyTongue:: GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!! Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 13, 2009, 11:01:15 AM I sure hope Magnolia is OK..... I am fine, Hotping. ::MonkeyDance:: The power was out for a while due to high winds and falling trees. Back up and running now. ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: I'm so glad you're alright! ::MonkeyCool:: Dog was scared, but I wasn't. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Thanks for the concern. I bet that 80 pound canine felt safe and secure on your lap thoughout the storm ... . Maybe if you ran out and bought him a chicken ... he would then be assured that all was right with his world. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Good Morning Magnolia. Janet 8:00 AM PT Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 13, 2009, 11:04:27 AM Good Morning Monkeys! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool:: Hotping is sure frisky this morning. She must have had a good night sleep. What is special on the breakfast menu this morning. ::MonkeyTongue:: GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!! Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 13, 2009, 11:06:44 AM Good Morning Monkeys! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool:: Hotping is sure frisky this morning. She must have had a good night sleep. What is special on the breakfast menu this morning. ::MonkeyTongue:: GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!! Janet ::MonkeyShocked:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 13, 2009, 12:04:13 PM Good Morning Monkeys! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool:: Hotping is sure frisky this morning. She must have had a good night sleep. What is special on the breakfast menu this morning. ::MonkeyTongue:: GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!! Janet ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 13, 2009, 12:46:21 PM Jossy Mansur was an outspoken adovcate for Natalee Holloway and her family at one time. What happened?
::MonkeyNoNo:: Klaas ... is there a transcript of the following Jossy Mansur interview with Dana Pretzer? Thanks Janet ++++++++ The Dana Pretzer Show - December 1st, 2006 Jossy Mansur, Jacques Hollander and Micheal Winston December 2nd, 2006 42:00 MANSUR: I have a video tape of Gerald Dompig that they do have sufficient material to bring these boys in on kidnapping and rape. Which would be 8 years imprisonment. According to Gerold Dompig, the three boys admitted "that they did ‘have sex with’ this girl when she was going in and out of consciousness. This is a fact. http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2006/12/02/the-dana-pretzer-show-december-1st-2006-jossy-mansur-jacques-mansur-and-micheal-winston/ Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 13, 2009, 01:16:33 PM Jossy Mansur was an outspoken adovcate for Natalee Holloway and her family at one time. What happened? ::MonkeyNoNo:: Klaas ... is there a transcript of the following Jossy Mansur interview with Dana Pretzer? Thanks Janet ++++++++ The Dana Pretzer Show - December 1st, 2006 Jossy Mansur, Jacques Hollander and Micheal Winston December 2nd, 2006 42:00 MANSUR: I have a video tape of Gerald Dompig that they do have sufficient material to bring these boys in on kidnapping and rape. Which would be 8 years imprisonment. According to Gerold Dompig, the three boys admitted "that they did ‘have sex with’ this girl when she was going in and out of consciousness. This is a fact. http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2006/12/02/the-dana-pretzer-show-december-1st-2006-jossy-mansur-jacques-mansur-and-micheal-winston/ Continued: The Dana Pretzer Show - December 1st, 2006 Jossy Mansur, Jacques Hollander and Micheal Winston December 2nd, 2006 42:00 I have a video tape of Gerald Dompig that they do have sufficient material to bring these boys in on kidnapping and rape. Which would be 8 years imprisonment. http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2006/12/02/the-dana-pretzer-show-december-1st-2006-jossy-mansur-jacques-mansur-and-micheal-winston/ Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: nonesuche on April 13, 2009, 02:29:02 PM Good Morning Lifesong I could not sleep so ... I made myself a cuppa tea and ... I made the decision to use the quiet time with no distraction to again read through your amazing timeline ... starting from the beginning. I am not yet half way through but the Superior Offshore research is no longer so overwhelming. I am beginning to comprehend the bigger picture. Thank you. Janet 6:15 AM PT Indeed, in corporations there is always a bigger picture ::MonkeyWink:: Just passing thru, my mother is visiting this week plus I'm working full-time, but saw this on my hard drive and remembered I'd meant to drop it off for the team. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: San on April 13, 2009, 02:43:24 PM Good Morning Lifesong I could not sleep so ... I made myself a cuppa tea and ... I made the decision to use the quiet time with no distraction to again read through your amazing timeline ... starting from the beginning. I am not yet half way through but the Superior Offshore research is no longer so overwhelming. I am beginning to comprehend the bigger picture. Thank you. Janet 6:15 AM PT Indeed, in corporations there is always a bigger picture ::MonkeyWink:: Just passing thru, my mother is visiting this week plus I'm working full-time, but saw this on my hard drive and remembered I'd meant to drop it off for the team. (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/Hinkey.gif) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 13, 2009, 02:47:28 PM Thanks Nonesuche! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 13, 2009, 02:49:42 PM Speaking of companies...wonder who held this job prior....:
LEGACY OFFSHORE is looking for a Chief Financial Officer CFO - See original job posting at CareerBuilder » Not Specified - Lafayette, LA --Description-- LEGACY OFFSHORE is looking for a Chief Financial Officer (CFO). Job responsibilities are, but not limited to, developing and maintaining reliable accounting information on income, expenses, assets, liabilities, and capital as a basis for strategic management planning and decision making for financial reporting requirements. Supports ... view or apply to job From CareerBuilder - 25 days ago - save job - block http://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=ed23c858671e19a0&gusrc=gu_jobs_box_UK+news&link=UK+news_jbx_vac http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?ipath=EXIND&siteid=cbindeed&Job_DID=J3I5756JZP6JTF9CWFV&cbRecursionCnt=1&cbsid=bf3ade3a2fba435896cf50deed0b122c-292948615-RC-4 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 13, 2009, 03:08:40 PM Speaking of companies...wonder who held this job prior....: LEGACY OFFSHORE is looking for a Chief Financial Officer CFO - See original job posting at CareerBuilder » Not Specified - Lafayette, LA --Description-- LEGACY OFFSHORE is looking for a Chief Financial Officer (CFO). Job responsibilities are, but not limited to, developing and maintaining reliable accounting information on income, expenses, assets, liabilities, and capital as a basis for strategic management planning and decision making for financial reporting requirements. Supports ... view or apply to job From CareerBuilder - 25 days ago - save job - block http://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=ed23c858671e19a0&gusrc=gu_jobs_box_UK+news&link=UK+news_jbx_vac http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?ipath=EXIND&siteid=cbindeed&Job_DID=J3I5756JZP6JTF9CWFV&cbRecursionCnt=1&cbsid=bf3ade3a2fba435896cf50deed0b122c-292948615-RC-4 I may not have this right...please excuse me if I don't....but wasn't Legacy just another probable branch of Superior? http://www.marcon.com/library/market_reports/2008/SU/SU04-08.pdf Page 20 snip Corporate News Beset by financial troubles, as per April 28th 2008, Superior Offshore International has ceased all ongoing operations other than those deemed necessary to ensure safety of the public and employees and an orderly transition of certain projects to its customers. All employees have terminated with the exception of those necessary to assist in the wind-down of company affairs. Board members James Perskey, Leon Codron and E. Donald Terry have resigned. Terry also resigned as president and CEO. Thomas E. Damon has resigned as the company's executive vice president and chief financial officer, and Steven J. Singer has resigned as the company's executive vice president and general counsel. Wayne M. Rose has resigned as the company's senior vice president - commercial and David Weinhoffer has been terminated as the company's executive vice president; however, Rose and Weinhoffer each have been rehired by the company to assist in the wind-down process. The board of directors has appointed H. Malcolm Lovett, Jr. as a director and as its chief restructuring officer. Lovett will perform the duties and assume the responsibilities of the president of the company. As a result of the resignations of the directors and officers described above and the appointment of Lovett as a director and chief restructuring officer, the company's board of directors currently consists of Lovett and Eric Smith, and Lovett is the only executive officer of the company. Strategic Capital Corporation, a company controlled by Lovett, has been engaged to provide financial advisory and restructuring services to Superior Offshore, receiving an initial retainer of US$ 150,000. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 13, 2009, 03:09:48 PM Wow, I don't know what happened with that paragraph! Sorry! ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: bastibro on April 13, 2009, 03:10:42 PM Jossy Mansur was an outspoken adovcate for Natalee Holloway and her family at one time. What happened? ::MonkeyNoNo:: Klaas ... is there a transcript of the following Jossy Mansur interview with Dana Pretzer? Thanks Janet ++++++++ The Dana Pretzer Show - December 1st, 2006 Jossy Mansur, Jacques Hollander and Micheal Winston December 2nd, 2006 42:00 MANSUR: I have a video tape of Gerald Dompig that they do have sufficient material to bring these boys in on kidnapping and rape. Which would be 8 years imprisonment. According to Gerold Dompig, the three boys admitted "that they did ‘have sex with’ this girl when she was going in and out of consciousness. This is a fact. http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2006/12/02/the-dana-pretzer-show-december-1st-2006-jossy-mansur-jacques-mansur-and-micheal-winston/ Continued: The Dana Pretzer Show - December 1st, 2006 Jossy Mansur, Jacques Hollander and Micheal Winston December 2nd, 2006 42:00 I have a video tape of Gerald Dompig that they do have sufficient material to bring these boys in on kidnapping and rape. Which would be 8 years imprisonment. http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2006/12/02/the-dana-pretzer-show-december-1st-2006-jossy-mansur-jacques-mansur-and-micheal-winston/ Here`s that Jossy tape . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek0H5zgko1U&feature=channel_page Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 13, 2009, 03:21:02 PM Speaking of companies...wonder who held this job prior....: LEGACY OFFSHORE is looking for a Chief Financial Officer CFO - See original job posting at CareerBuilder » Not Specified - Lafayette, LA --Description-- LEGACY OFFSHORE is looking for a Chief Financial Officer (CFO). Job responsibilities are, but not limited to, developing and maintaining reliable accounting information on income, expenses, assets, liabilities, and capital as a basis for strategic management planning and decision making for financial reporting requirements. Supports ... view or apply to job From CareerBuilder - 25 days ago - save job - block http://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=ed23c858671e19a0&gusrc=gu_jobs_box_UK+news&link=UK+news_jbx_vac http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?ipath=EXIND&siteid=cbindeed&Job_DID=J3I5756JZP6JTF9CWFV&cbRecursionCnt=1&cbsid=bf3ade3a2fba435896cf50deed0b122c-292948615-RC-4 I may not have this right...please excuse me if I don't....but wasn't Legacy just another probable branch of Superior? http://www.marcon.com/library/market_reports/2008/SU/SU04-08.pdf Page 20 snip Corporate News Beset by financial troubles, as per April 28th 2008, Superior Offshore International has ceased all ongoing operations other than those deemed necessary to ensure safety of the public and employees and an orderly transition of certain projects to its customers. All employees have terminated with the exception of those necessary to assist in the wind-down of company affairs. Board members James Perskey, Leon Codron and E. Donald Terry have resigned. Terry also resigned as president and CEO. Thomas E. Damon has resigned as the company's executive vice president and chief financial officer, and Steven J. Singer has resigned as the company's executive vice president and general counsel. Wayne M. Rose has resigned as the company's senior vice president - commercial and David Weinhoffer has been terminated as the company's executive vice president; however, Rose and Weinhoffer each have been rehired by the company to assist in the wind-down process. The board of directors has appointed H. Malcolm Lovett, Jr. as a director and as its chief restructuring officer. Lovett will perform the duties and assume the responsibilities of the president of the company. As a result of the resignations of the directors and officers described above and the appointment of Lovett as a director and chief restructuring officer, the company's board of directors currently consists of Lovett and Eric Smith, and Lovett is the only executive officer of the company. Strategic Capital Corporation, a company controlled by Lovett, has been engaged to provide financial advisory and restructuring services to Superior Offshore, receiving an initial retainer of US$ 150,000. Legacy Offshore was started November 2007, according to their website. Not sure it's a branch of Superior Offshore, or just a new startup following/during the share sell off by Schaefer & others. I was thinking of it as a separate entity, with it's own employees, but you may be right about the governance since Superior Offshore tanked. Jen or Kermit may be more knowledgable. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: klaasend on April 13, 2009, 04:08:22 PM O/T
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/04/spector-jury-has-reached-a-verdict.html The jury in Phil Spector’s murder retrial has reached a verdict. The decision, which comes after nearly 32 hours of deliberations over nine days, will be read at 1:30 p.m., according to the L.A. Superior Court’s public information office. Spector faces at least 18 years in prison if convicted of second-degree murder in the death of Lana Clarkson, an actress shot in the legendary music producer’s Alhambra mansion six years ago. A lesser charge, involuntary manslaughter, carries two to four years in prison. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 13, 2009, 04:25:54 PM Thanks Klaas! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 13, 2009, 07:24:47 PM Texasmom - this may help?
Legacy Offshore = Louis Schaefer 11/14/2007 Louis Schaefer retires and resigns (http://houston.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2007/11/12/daily38.html?jst=s_cn_hl) his position as Chairman of the Board of Superior Offshore International. 11/15/2007 Superior Offshore Int'l: Louis Schaefer sells more of his stocks: 11/20/2007 Louis Schaefer and Charles Zamora register Legacy Offshore, LLC (http://www.legacyoffshore.com); a Louisiana Limited Liability Company (http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin?rqstyp=crpdtlC&rqsdta=36593498K) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: ohcanada on April 13, 2009, 07:43:39 PM goodevenig monkeys
question..... how long does it take XTC to take affect??? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: BUCKSHOT on April 13, 2009, 07:52:31 PM goodevenig monkeys question..... how long does it take XTC to take affect??? Take a pill or two and let us all know... ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: San on April 13, 2009, 08:04:32 PM goodevenig monkeys question..... how long does it take XTC to take affect??? http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_long_does_it_takes_until_ecstasy_kicks_in Q: How long does it takes until ecstasy kicks in? A: About an hour if you swallow, and about 15 minutes if you chew and swallow. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: San on April 13, 2009, 08:27:29 PM The effects:
- Users take the drug to enhance feelings of empathy with other people and increase sensitivity to their surroundings; - Sound, colour and emotions can seem much more intense; - The energy buzz from ecstasy means users may dance for hours; - The effects usually take about half an hour to kick in; - The effects tend to last three to six hours, followed by a gradual comedown. http://www.thesite.org/drinkanddrugs/drugsafety/drugsatoz/ecstasy Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 13, 2009, 08:28:10 PM Texasmom - this may help? Legacy Offshore = Louis Schaefer 11/14/2007 Louis Schaefer retires and resigns (http://houston.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2007/11/12/daily38.html?jst=s_cn_hl) his position as Chairman of the Board of Superior Offshore International. 11/15/2007 Superior Offshore Int'l: Louis Schaefer sells more of his stocks: 11/20/2007 Louis Schaefer and Charles Zamora register Legacy Offshore, LLC (http://www.legacyoffshore.com); a Louisiana Limited Liability Company (http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin?rqstyp=crpdtlC&rqsdta=36593498K) Thanks Lifesong! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: ohcanada on April 13, 2009, 08:37:44 PM thnx rad
next question dowe know how long the car ride is from c&c around the block and to the "light house" Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: San on April 13, 2009, 09:14:58 PM thnx rad next question dowe know how long the car ride is from c&c around the block and to the "light house" About 25 mins depending on traffic. Here is a Map. (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/arubamaphomes2.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: ohcanada on April 13, 2009, 09:25:09 PM thnx san...sorry about the rad ..cant see the kboard very good
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: ohcanada on April 13, 2009, 10:01:29 PM possible scenerio
partial scenerio deepak goes to car ahead of everyone to prepare the drink Natalee and the two guys comr out of the bar ..no drugs involved yet they leave and see Natalee's friends and she yells to them ...no drugs yet...deepak ..i dont think this is a good idea Natalee stays with them and they circle the block friends are gone she takes a drink(s) from the spiked drink they cruise till it takes affect possibly out to the light house and back to the beach this is where satish pulls out the CAMERA to film something for back seat bangers or whatever the site is Natalee figures out what's going on ...demands that they stop and fights to get control of the camera..possibly gets ahold of it and gets out of the car and tries to run away...joran follows her out of the car deepak and satish get out to help....they catch her and this is where the possiblr rape takes place...she gets away again and runs into the swamp where the plastic bag is found.... now she either gets seriously hurt by one or all.... or satish takes the car back out to the road and runs into Natalee on the road by the spot on the road by the plastic bag and knocks her into the cement thing that holds the plastic bag they freak joran stays with Natalee while deepak takes satish home...thusly the next day satish asks his brother how's the girl he knew she was hurt but didnt know the outcome deepak returns to help joran they have all tried to have a reason for deepaks car returning when joran gets home he checks to see if satish has uploaded the movie? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: San on April 13, 2009, 11:03:53 PM possible scenerio partial scenerio deepak goes to car ahead of everyone to prepare the drink Natalee and the two guys comr out of the bar ..no drugs involved yet they leave and see Natalee's friends and she yells to them ...no drugs yet...deepak ..i dont think this is a good idea Natalee stays with them and they circle the block friends are gone she takes a drink(s) from the spiked drink they cruise till it takes affect possibly out to the light house and back to the beach this is where satish pulls out the CAMERA to film something for back seat bangers or whatever the site is Natalee figures out what's going on ...demands that they stop and fights to get control of the camera..possibly gets ahold of it and gets out of the car and tries to run away...joran follows her out of the car deepak and satish get out to help....they catch her and this is where the possiblr rape takes place...she gets away again and runs into the swamp where the plastic bag is found.... now she either gets seriously hurt by one or all.... or satish takes the car back out to the road and runs into Natalee on the road by the spot on the road by the plastic bag and knocks her into the cement thing that holds the plastic bag they freak joran stays with Natalee while deepak takes satish home...thusly the next day satish asks his brother how's the girl he knew she was hurt but didnt know the outcome deepak returns to help joran they have all tried to have a reason for deepaks car returning when joran gets home he checks to see if satish has uploaded the movie? It could be a possible scenairo. From what we have heard from Beth and Dave they believe Natalee was drugged before she went into the car. We all have our own thoughts has to what happened. I believe Joran, Kalpoes or the bartendar spiked her drink. I believe something happened in the car. I believe the crime happened in Joran's apartment. I also believe that Paulus was home when it happened. I think Satish freaked out and Paulus did not want the Kalpoes at his home when this happened. He didn't want them to see who he was going to call to help. Thus enter Van der Straaten and Karin Janssen. This was a professional coverup and these two individuals made it happened. Joran and the Kalpoes are too stupid to have pulled this off themselves. There were a lot of dirty hands in this coverup. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 13, 2009, 11:15:37 PM Jossy Mansur was an outspoken adovcate for Natalee Holloway and her family at one time. What happened? ::MonkeyNoNo:: Klaas ... is there a transcript of the following Jossy Mansur interview with Dana Pretzer? Thanks Janet ++++++++ The Dana Pretzer Show - December 1st, 2006 Jossy Mansur, Jacques Hollander and Micheal Winston December 2nd, 2006 42:00 MANSUR: I have a video tape of Gerald Dompig that they do have sufficient material to bring these boys in on kidnapping and rape. Which would be 8 years imprisonment. According to Gerold Dompig, the three boys admitted "that they did ‘have sex with’ this girl when she was going in and out of consciousness. This is a fact. http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2006/12/02/the-dana-pretzer-show-december-1st-2006-jossy-mansur-jacques-mansur-and-micheal-winston/ Continued: The Dana Pretzer Show - December 1st, 2006 Jossy Mansur, Jacques Hollander and Micheal Winston December 2nd, 2006 42:00 I have a video tape of Gerald Dompig that they do have sufficient material to bring these boys in on kidnapping and rape. Which would be 8 years imprisonment. http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2006/12/02/the-dana-pretzer-show-december-1st-2006-jossy-mansur-jacques-mansur-and-micheal-winston/ Here`s that Jossy tape . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek0H5zgko1U&feature=channel_page The LineUp 12-03-06 Jossy Mansur (Editor of Dario Newspaper in Aruba) by phone: Kimberly: I got to ask you what did the former police chief say to you about Joran Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers involvement in Natalees disappearance. Jossy: He definitely confirmed that they admitted to the police that they had molested the girl while she was going in and out of consciousness but among other things that he said. Kimberly: And how long was this conversation and who specifically did you speak to. Jossy: I spoke to Gerald Dompig the conversation took place in my office for about an hour and I have it all on video tape. Kimberly: Any why did you video tape it Jossy? Jossy: Because as the Diario we usually do that with people we dont trust to begin with. To have a documented proof of whatever we are going to publish in the future. Kimberly: Alright well there are many people who doubt that you have this tape and want to know in fact is contained in this video tape? Do you have a transcript of this? Jossy: You know many people doubt many things I say but after I publish the truth everybody becomes quiet. They go into a profound silence. But we have the proof I have the tape the video tape, we have various copies of it made. Kimberly: OK and you claim to have a transcript in fact that links the boys to Natalees disappearance. Do you have that for us that you can read a portion of that? Jossy: I can read a portion for you for example when I asked him about the case he said well you know we cannot go because we dont have a body but you have a model crime and on the basis of their own declarations, Im quoting him at the bottom now and then he said look if its not rape they fingered her, they did a lot of things to her according to their own declarations and he we have an article in our penal code that provides an eight year sentence for that. If you do that to a girl who is not conscious they themselves said that she passed out on (inaudible) phases in the car. That means if you do that to a person who cannot defend herself its eight years. He told me this (inaudible) Im quoting from the tape. Kimberly: And what else did he tell you? Jossy: He told me many other things. For example you are not talking about Joran alone because while the other guy was driving the car they were making out with the girl in the back. Kimberly: And when you say they who was he referring to did he specify the Kalpoe brothers? Jossy: He said the Kalpoe brothers with Joran yes. Kimberly: Did you ask him why he didnt do anything with this information and why a case wasnt presented by the prosecutor? Jossy: No because I thought they would proceed on the basis of a model crime because he confirmed that these three suspects admitted this to the police. Kimberly: Jossy have you presented this tape to the new police chief or the prosecutors office. Who else has the information? Jossy: The tape I only have the tape, I havent given it to anyone because so many things have happened in this case and so many mistrusts of who you can trust and who you cannot trust so I will present it to the prosecution when this case goes to court. Kimberly: Jossy Mansur thank you for being on with me tonight. http://www.katablog.com/day_blogs.cfm?d=4&m=12&y=2006 VIDEO - GEROLD DOMPIG Lineup with Jossy Mansur and Kimberly Guilfoyle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymSWgZm6ivo Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 13, 2009, 11:39:03 PM texasmom
I shared your video clip "I will rise again" with my daughter and son-in-law today. They were moved. Thank you again. Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 13, 2009, 11:55:02 PM texasmom I shared your video clip "I will rise again" with my daughter and son-in-law today. They were moved. Thank you again. Janet Thank you Janet, that's so nice to know! Makes my day! ::MonkeyCool:: Thought you might be interested.... Dallas Holm, the writer/performer of the song has achieved the following awards in recognition of his work in Gospel music. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Holm snipped Awards Dove Awards 1977 Song of the Year: "Rise Again" Songwriter of the Year Male Vocalist of the Year Mixed Group of the Year (Dallas Holm and Praise) 1979 Male Vocalist of the Year Pop/Contemporary Album: All That Matters (Dallas Holm and Praise) 1992 Inspirational Album of the Year: Generation 2 Generation (Benson artists and their families) Grammy nominations 1987 Best Gospel Performance - Male: "Against the Wind" 2007 Inducted into the Christian Music Hall of Fame Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 13, 2009, 11:59:40 PM Good Evening Monkey's...... Hope everyone had a Blessed Easter Sunday...
WE HAVE NOT,NOR WILL NOT,FORGET THE EVIL ISLAND Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 14, 2009, 12:10:35 AM Good Evening Monkey's...... Hope everyone had a Blessed Easter Sunday... WE HAVE NOT,NOR WILL NOT,FORGET THE EVIL ISLAND Hi KTF! Good to see you! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 14, 2009, 12:12:51 AM Good Evening Monkey's...... Hope everyone had a Blessed Easter Sunday... WE HAVE NOT,NOR WILL NOT,FORGET THE EVIL ISLAND Hi KTF! Good to see you! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool:: Nice to see you too TM.. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 14, 2009, 12:48:06 AM JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY
::MonkeyCool:: It always seems impossible until its done. ::MonkeyCool:: Nelson Mandela GOODNIGHT AND GODBLESS KEEPTHEFAITH Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 14, 2009, 12:57:03 AM JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY ::MonkeyCool:: It always seems impossible until its done. ::MonkeyCool:: Nelson Mandela GOODNIGHT AND GODBLESS KEEPTHEFAITH Good Night KTF! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 14, 2009, 01:09:35 AM We had a strange weather phenomenon and 150,000+ people lost electricity. Mine was just restored tonight and am so happy to have lights and heat again!
Catching up on all the news as seems like lots happened today while I was gone! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 14, 2009, 02:05:29 AM (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_AE3-1.jpg) Truth & Justice for Natalee! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 14, 2009, 10:16:09 AM Good Morning Monkeys and Guests!
Come Out Come Out Whereever You Are! Please! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 14, 2009, 10:22:19 AM Good Morning Monkeys and Guests! Come Out Come Out Whereever You Are! Please! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Ollie ollie ossenfree! ::MonkeyHaHa:: I was off checking my cable provider's lineup and found that I can't get the movie on Sunday. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 14, 2009, 10:26:14 AM Good Morning Monkeys and Guests! Come Out Come Out Whereever You Are! Please! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Ollie ollie ossenfree! ::MonkeyHaHa:: I was off checking my cable provider's lineup and found that I can't get the movie on Sunday. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 14, 2009, 10:39:38 AM A REMINDER
A BETRAYAL - KYLE KINGMAN'S OWN WORDS The Discovery and First ROV Dive Kyle Kingman: Dateline tagged along with TM for a while pre-NH search. They (TM and Dateline) came on the Persistence between 15-Dec and 30-Dec. I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. The Analysis Kyle Kingman: We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap. Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand ... The Meeting Kyle Kingman: On the morning of the 30th we met on board the Persistence with Hans Mos, Richardson, and the rest of the police brass and dive division. I showed them all the 29th dive video and they agreed that it was very suspicion and looked promising. The Visual Dive Kyle Kingman: We had an American diver with us on the Dec 30th dive. We were encouraged to do so and invited by the Arubans. I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol. Kyle Kingman: Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan. Kyle Kingman: When Tim T. gives one thumb down, he said that it was inconclusive. He couldn't tell by his own admission. Kyle Kingman: The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present). Kyle Kingman: John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word Kyle Kingman: Aruban divers deemed the cage to be not case related, and therefore Aruba had no interest in it. At that point, I made the statement to all on board that we do have an interest and that we would recover the cage ourselves. That is when Mos said they would dive on it but it would take 1 -2 weeks for a forensics team to arrive and that he would let Persistence know. Tim Miller - A Liability Kyle Kingman: After the Dec 30th dive John [Silvetti] didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee. John Silvetti - Full Control Kyle Kingman: I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water. Kyle Kingman: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap. The Recovery Kyle Kingman: For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan. Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat. Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains. Kyle Kingman: I was told to move forward and to forget about the trap. I was told not to show anyone the images. The Underlying Motve Kyle Kingman - John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 14, 2009, 10:39:50 AM Good Morning Monkeys and Guests! Come Out Come Out Whereever You Are! Please! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Ollie ollie ossenfree! ::MonkeyHaHa:: I was off checking my cable provider's lineup and found that I can't get the movie on Sunday. We have Lifetime but not LMN. My son has DirecTV, so maybe he can TiVo...will have to see. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 14, 2009, 10:42:10 AM Texasmom - this may help? Legacy Offshore = Louis Schaefer 11/14/2007 Louis Schaefer retires and resigns (http://houston.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2007/11/12/daily38.html?jst=s_cn_hl) his position as Chairman of the Board of Superior Offshore International. 11/15/2007 Superior Offshore Int'l: Louis Schaefer sells more of his stocks: 11/20/2007 Louis Schaefer and Charles Zamora register Legacy Offshore, LLC (http://www.legacyoffshore.com); a Louisiana Limited Liability Company (http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin?rqstyp=crpdtlC&rqsdta=36593498K) Thanks Lifesong! ::MonkeyCool:: C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\My Documents\Legacy fields.pdf Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 14, 2009, 10:43:31 AM Texasmom - this may help? Legacy Offshore = Louis Schaefer 11/14/2007 Louis Schaefer retires and resigns (http://houston.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2007/11/12/daily38.html?jst=s_cn_hl) his position as Chairman of the Board of Superior Offshore International. 11/15/2007 Superior Offshore Int'l: Louis Schaefer sells more of his stocks: 11/20/2007 Louis Schaefer and Charles Zamora register Legacy Offshore, LLC (http://www.legacyoffshore.com); a Louisiana Limited Liability Company (http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin?rqstyp=crpdtlC&rqsdta=36593498K) Thanks Lifesong! ::MonkeyCool:: C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\My Documents\Legacy fields.pdf Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 14, 2009, 10:44:14 AM Good Morning Monkeys and Guests! Come Out Come Out Whereever You Are! Please! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Hi Hotping! ::cartwheel:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 14, 2009, 10:44:31 AM Texasmom - this may help? Legacy Offshore = Louis Schaefer 11/14/2007 Louis Schaefer retires and resigns (http://houston.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2007/11/12/daily38.html?jst=s_cn_hl) his position as Chairman of the Board of Superior Offshore International. 11/15/2007 Superior Offshore Int'l: Louis Schaefer sells more of his stocks: 11/20/2007 Louis Schaefer and Charles Zamora register Legacy Offshore, LLC (http://www.legacyoffshore.com); a Louisiana Limited Liability Company (http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin?rqstyp=crpdtlC&rqsdta=36593498K) Thanks Lifesong! ::MonkeyCool:: C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\My Documents\Legacy fields.pdf Try attaching that pdf, again, hotping. Thanks. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 14, 2009, 10:45:59 AM Good Morning Monkeys and Guests! Come Out Come Out Whereever You Are! Please! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Ollie ollie ossenfree! ::MonkeyHaHa:: I was off checking my cable provider's lineup and found that I can't get the movie on Sunday. We have Lifetime but not LMN. My son has DirecTV, so maybe he can TiVo...will have to see. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 14, 2009, 10:49:01 AM texasmom I shared your video clip "I will rise again" with my daughter and son-in-law today. They were moved. Thank you again. Janet Thank you Janet, that's so nice to know! Makes my day! ::MonkeyCool:: Thought you might be interested.... Dallas Holm, the writer/performer of the song has achieved the following awards in recognition of his work in Gospel music. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Holm snipped Awards Dove Awards 1977 Song of the Year: "Rise Again" Songwriter of the Year Male Vocalist of the Year Mixed Group of the Year (Dallas Holm and Praise) 1979 Male Vocalist of the Year Pop/Contemporary Album: All That Matters (Dallas Holm and Praise) 1992 Inspirational Album of the Year: Generation 2 Generation (Benson artists and their families) Grammy nominations 1987 Best Gospel Performance - Male: "Against the Wind" 2007 Inducted into the Christian Music Hall of Fame Texasmom Thanks for all that background info. When my son-in-law was in his early twentys he was involved in a similar video production. Don Francisco's HE'S ALIVE was the background music. GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!! It is a beautiful morning in the Fraser Valley of British Columbia. Janet 7:50 AM PT Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 14, 2009, 10:49:05 AM Good Morning Monkeys and Guests! Come Out Come Out Whereever You Are! Please! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Good morning, all and Hotping especially! I'm here but my electric power is on again off again still from the storms. Has anyone seen Magnolia since Sunday night? That's when they were so bad and took out all the electricity much of which has yet to be restored. Also still some out in Atlanta area. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 14, 2009, 10:50:28 AM Good Morning Monkeys and Guests! Come Out Come Out Whereever You Are! Please! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Ollie ollie ossenfree! ::MonkeyHaHa:: I was off checking my cable provider's lineup and found that I can't get the movie on Sunday. We have Lifetime but not LMN. My son has DirecTV, so maybe he can TiVo...will have to see. 2NJ, You also might consider inviting yourself over to a friend's house who can get the movie to watch it there as well. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 14, 2009, 10:50:58 AM Good Morning Monkeys and Guests! Come Out Come Out Whereever You Are! Please! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: I am here!!! ::cartwheel:: Good Morning Hotping. Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 14, 2009, 10:53:43 AM Good Morning Monkeys and Guests! Come Out Come Out Whereever You Are! Please! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Good morning, all and Hotping especially! I'm here but my electric power is on again off again still from the storms. Has anyone seen Magnolia since Sunday night? That's when they were so bad and took out all the electricity much of which has yet to be restored. Also still some out in Atlanta area. Just checked Magnolia's profile and she was last active around 11pm last night. She could be experiencing the same power outage. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 14, 2009, 10:57:36 AM Good Morning Monkeys and Guests! Come Out Come Out Whereever You Are! Please! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Good morning, all and Hotping especially! I'm here but my electric power is on again off again still from the storms. Has anyone seen Magnolia since Sunday night? That's when they were so bad and took out all the electricity much of which has yet to be restored. Also still some out in Atlanta area. Hi Anna Magnolia is safe. She was on the forum yesterday morning. I am thankful you are safe. In the Fraser Valley ... power outages are a given if it is windy ... it does not have to be a storm. Falling trees are not necessarily the problem ... just the branches hitting the power lines. Janet +++++ I sure hope Magnolia is OK..... I am fine, Hotping. ::MonkeyDance:: The power was out for a while due to high winds and falling trees. Back up and running now. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 14, 2009, 11:04:09 AM Thanks for the update on Magnolia.
Well, our service is supposedly restored but it keeps going out again every couple of hours for about half an hour. Also we will still have a few more trees just fall over that were uprooted during the storm but not yet over. They are uprooted but it is not showing yet or they are broken and not yet the pieces apart. So is still danger from falling trees. But the vast majority is over thankfully. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 14, 2009, 11:07:50 AM Texasmom - this may help? Legacy Offshore = Louis Schaefer 11/14/2007 Louis Schaefer retires and resigns (http://houston.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2007/11/12/daily38.html?jst=s_cn_hl) his position as Chairman of the Board of Superior Offshore International. 11/15/2007 Superior Offshore Int'l: Louis Schaefer sells more of his stocks: 11/20/2007 Louis Schaefer and Charles Zamora register Legacy Offshore, LLC (http://www.legacyoffshore.com); a Louisiana Limited Liability Company (http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin?rqstyp=crpdtlC&rqsdta=36593498K) Thanks Lifesong! ::MonkeyCool:: C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\My Documents\Legacy fields.pdf Try attaching that pdf, again, hotping. Thanks. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 14, 2009, 11:11:19 AM Good Morning Monkeys and Guests! Come Out Come Out Whereever You Are! Please! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Good morning, all and Hotping especially! I'm here but my electric power is on again off again still from the storms. Has anyone seen Magnolia since Sunday night? That's when they were so bad and took out all the electricity much of which has yet to be restored. Also still some out in Atlanta area. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 14, 2009, 11:16:06 AM Good Morning Monkeys and Guests! Come Out Come Out Whereever You Are! Please! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: I am here!!! ::cartwheel:: Good Morning Hotping. Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 14, 2009, 11:23:39 AM Good Morning Monkeys and Guests! Come Out Come Out Whereever You Are! Please! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: I am here!!! ::cartwheel:: Good Morning Hotping. Janet ::MonkeyHaHa:: Hotping ... you gave me a good laugh. It was a perfect start to my day. Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 14, 2009, 11:49:40 AM Good Morning Monkeys and Guests! Come Out Come Out Whereever You Are! Please! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: I am here!!! ::cartwheel:: Good Morning Hotping. Janet ::MonkeyShocked:: Yes, that would be beyond scary! They might all come down and attack at once! ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 14, 2009, 11:54:36 AM Keep in mind that during any given day, the guest count will include SM members who cannot log in during the day while working, and are reading when they can. Nothing scary, imo.
::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 14, 2009, 12:09:48 PM Keep in mind that during any given day, the guest count will include SM members who cannot log in during the day while working, and are reading when they can. Nothing scary, imo. I guess a better word would have been lonely not so much spooky as in scarry but it was very lonely....Truly it was! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 14, 2009, 12:16:39 PM Keep in mind that during any given day, the guest count will include SM members who cannot log in during the day while working, and are reading when they can. Nothing scary, imo. ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyWink:: Yes, I would hope some would be monkeys but you just never know who might be lurking up there. ::MonkeyHaHa:: It does FEEL strange to be the only one logged in and posting, etc. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 14, 2009, 12:17:24 PM Good Morning Monkeys and Guests! Come Out Come Out Whereever You Are! Please! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: I am here!!! ::cartwheel:: Good Morning Hotping. Janet ::MonkeyShocked:: Yes, that would be beyond scary! They might all come down and attack at once! ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 14, 2009, 12:20:59 PM Good Morning Monkeys and Guests! Come Out Come Out Whereever You Are! Please! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: I am here!!! ::cartwheel:: Good Morning Hotping. Janet ::MonkeyHaHa:: Hotping ... you gave me a good laugh. It was a perfect start to my day. Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 14, 2009, 12:24:20 PM ldstlou
Re: The Cage « Reply #240 on: April 08, 2009, 01:28:04 pm ok...on a serious note... how do you have the ROV shining it's light on the cage and the ALE while filming them and the ALE divers not aware of that little robot??!! http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.240 +++++++ Lou ... I do not have a clue. However ... I trust if Kyle Kingman in his own words claims that the ROV was operating throughout while the Arubans were sampling and retrieveing the contents of the cage ... then logic dictates that the ROV was operating throughout while the Arubans were sampling and retrieving the contents of the cage. Unless of course ... you are implying that Kyle Kingman fabricated his own words to when he posted them at the Natalee's Freebirds' site. Janet JANUARY 7, 2007 KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains. Kyle Kingman: I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE. Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing. I don't know what was sampled far inside the trap if anything. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 14, 2009, 12:32:01 PM Good morning to all Monkey's! ::cartwheel::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 14, 2009, 12:34:06 PM Good morning to all Monkey's! ::cartwheel:: Good Morning Keepthefaith. I miss ya. ::MonkeyWaa:: Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 14, 2009, 12:37:55 PM Good morning to all Monkey's! ::cartwheel:: Good Morning Keepthefaith. I miss ya. ::MonkeyWaa:: Janet I miss all the Monkey's as well Janet.Just taking care of issues,so to speak... ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 14, 2009, 12:56:22 PM Good Morning Monkeys and Guests! Come Out Come Out Whereever You Are! Please! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Good morning, all and Hotping especially! I'm here but my electric power is on again off again still from the storms. Has anyone seen Magnolia since Sunday night? That's when they were so bad and took out all the electricity much of which has yet to be restored. Also still some out in Atlanta area. I just got power back. It has been a hectic few days. The storms were really bad here. Trees down everywhere over the power lines. They said that we had a "gravity wave". I am hoping the power will stay on now. I am tired of that 80 pound blue dog in my lap. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 14, 2009, 01:01:32 PM Good Morning Monkeys and Guests! Come Out Come Out Whereever You Are! Please! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Nice to hear your safe and OK Magnolia.... ::MonkeyDance:: Good morning, all and Hotping especially! I'm here but my electric power is on again off again still from the storms. Has anyone seen Magnolia since Sunday night? That's when they were so bad and took out all the electricity much of which has yet to be restored. Also still some out in Atlanta area. I just got power back. It has been a hectic few days. The storms were really bad here. Trees down everywhere over the power lines. They said that we had a "gravity wave". I am hoping the power will stay on now. I am tired of that 80 pound blue dog in my lap. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 14, 2009, 01:13:41 PM Magnolia,
Oh, good! You are OK. Sunday night was the worst thing I have ever heard as far as weather goes. Howling wind for hours! ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyShocked:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 14, 2009, 01:14:47 PM KTF,
I have missed you as well. But this week we have something REAL to countdown. The MOVIE this coming Sunday! ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 14, 2009, 01:25:01 PM I dreamed that KTF was training to be a Mod and that is why he hasn't been here. ::MonkeyCool::
I surely do miss him. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 14, 2009, 01:35:59 PM Thank You Anna and Magnolia..The Mods at SM are wonderful!The patient they exude is tremendous but,Don't mistake it for weakness!
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 14, 2009, 01:43:28 PM Thank You Anna and Magnolia..The Mods at SM are wonderful!The patient they exude is tremendous but,Don't mistake it for weakness! Talk about Mods and look what happens..... ::MonkeyTongue:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 14, 2009, 01:47:01 PM Thank You Anna and Magnolia..The Mods at SM are wonderful!The patient they exude is tremendous but,Don't mistake it for weakness! (http://bestsmileys.com/wink/2.gif) Your check is in the mail. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 14, 2009, 01:52:30 PM Thank You Anna and Magnolia..The Mods at SM are wonderful!The patient they exude is tremendous but,Don't mistake it for weakness! (http://bestsmileys.com/wink/2.gif) Your check is in the mail. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Did someone say MONEY.... ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 14, 2009, 01:52:39 PM Have to take our pup to the vet to have a sore paw looked at. Catch you later.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 14, 2009, 01:57:23 PM Have to take our pup to the vet to have a sore paw looked at. Catch you later. Prayers for the Pup... ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 14, 2009, 02:19:16 PM So.... Do we like the calm waters or do we want to rock the boat? ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 14, 2009, 02:32:43 PM So.... Do we like the calm waters or do we want to rock the boat? ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: http://www.youtube.com/v/FfBwsG8ubFw&hl=en&fs=1 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 14, 2009, 02:36:14 PM So.... Do we like the calm waters or do we want to rock the boat? ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool:: I'm ready... ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 14, 2009, 02:46:49 PM Rock the Boat......Please!
I've got to go pickup My taxes to get in the mail but I'll Be back to see the Rocking Boat! ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 14, 2009, 02:48:20 PM I'll bbl too! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: antunym on April 14, 2009, 03:00:32 PM Hello everyone I hope you all had a good Easter!! There is something that I don't understand..In some of Kyle Kingman's own words he talks about video footage and then sometimes he talks about pictures. I don't know if this has been discussed or I may have missed it, but if there is a video where does it exist and what is on it that we have not seen. Is there more evidence of a cover-up??
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 14, 2009, 03:14:19 PM Hello everyone I hope you all had a good Easter!! There is something that I don't understand..In some of Kyle Kingman's own words he talks about video footage and then sometimes he talks about pictures. I don't know if this has been discussed or I may have missed it, but if there is a video where does it exist and what is on it that we have not seen. Is there more evidence of a cover-up?? antunym ... I do believe that pictures/images that have been revealed by Kyle Kingman have been taken from the ROV video/footage. Janet ++++++ ROV IMAGES Video 1 - December 29, 2007 (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2261/2345843000_3478e3930e_o.jpg) (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Trap.jpg) (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/trap2.jpg) (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/trap4.jpg) (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/trap5.jpg) (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/trap6.jpg) Images: Kyle Kingman Video 2 - December 30, 2007 (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2149/2345841784_52614dbecb_o.jpg) (http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8683/image532fx0.jpg) Images: Kyle Kingman Video 3 - January 7, 2008 (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2352/2345013517_79c1edfb78_o.jpg) (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3249/2345840954_e00aee9854_o.jpg) Images: Kyle Kingman Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 14, 2009, 03:25:43 PM (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/trapdiag.jpg)
To calculate the diagonal you multiply the length of one side of the square by the square root of 2. Credit: Klaas Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 14, 2009, 03:33:29 PM THE VIDEOS - THE FOOTAGE
oceanexploration Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 - « Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 05:47:47 PM » There were three ROV dive videos of the trap. Video 1 : 29th Dec - ROV visual inspection of the trap. (very small clip of this video on Dateline). Remember, the Dateline footage was taken over our shoulders by filming the ROV monitor. The footage is not the recorded ROV footage. Video 2: Dec 30th - ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap. This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH. I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. I was shocked to see them posted. I thought we had a security breach on the boat from my workstation or a leak from the FBI. Turns out the FBI gave them to Dave H. after he couldn't get them from me. After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them from me. I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't. Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them. Video 3: Jan 7th - ROV monitoring diver tactile inspection of the trap with sampling of items inside and outside of trap. The trap was not recovered. Recovered samples sent for forensic analysis. Neither Tim Miller nor the media were on board. Several hours of footage were of other dives on other targets. None were of any relevance. Most targets were of peculiar coral pinnacles, man-made debris, and ship wrecks. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047;topicseen#msg360047 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 14, 2009, 03:42:29 PM THE VIDEOS - THE FOOTAGE oceanexploration Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 - « Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 05:47:47 PM » There were three ROV dive videos of the trap. Video 1 : 29th Dec - ROV visual inspection of the trap. (very small clip of this video on Dateline). Remember, the Dateline footage was taken over our shoulders by filming the ROV monitor. The footage is not the recorded ROV footage. Video 2: Dec 30th - ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap. This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH. I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. I was shocked to see them posted. I thought we had a security breach on the boat from my workstation or a leak from the FBI. Turns out the FBI gave them to Dave H. after he couldn't get them from me. After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them from me. I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't. Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them. Video 3: Jan 7th - ROV monitoring diver tactile inspection of the trap with sampling of items inside and outside of trap. The trap was not recovered. Recovered samples sent for forensic analysis. Neither Tim Miller nor the media were on board. Several hours of footage were of other dives on other targets. None were of any relevance. Most targets were of peculiar coral pinnacles, man-made debris, and ship wrecks. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047;topicseen#msg360047 The above implies that the images/pictures are referred to by Kyle Kingman as screen shots or screen captures of the videos/footage. Janet BUMPED Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 14, 2009, 03:42:53 PM Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 - on: December 30, 2008, 08:21:35 PM http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg604204#msg604204 Quote Quote from: ldstlou on December 30, 2008, 08:21:35 PM Quote Quote from: Keepthefaith on December 30, 2008, 08:15:20 PM When was the last time Kyle was on the Freebird's site??Wingnut?If you can answer..I don't think he's typing anything anymore for a good reason! He is still typing. he adressed jen's letter line by line and e-mailed it to both Jug and I tonight. I am satisfied with his answers. Did "the leak" ever share Kyle's point by point response with you guys, Jen? <<snipped>> Apart from addressing the complete hypocrisy of ldstlou posting Kyle's email after repeatedly attacking Kermit.... We should also discuss what Kyle actually had to say.... original link to this post (http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12137#msg12137) Quote ldstlou Re: The Cage « Reply #119 on: March 19, 2009, 09:42:27 am » <<snipped>> The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December that I have shown you all. As you all saw, there was no "conspiracy" on the part of John Silvetti and the members of the Persistence as per Kyle. Some exerts: Quote I had questions which were very unsettling about what I had observed during the search including the events surrounding the trap inspection by the Aruban divers and how the samples were handled by ALE - solely Richardson. This made me very uneasy. It was unsettling and I had no one to talk about it with. The Freebird forum was a place where I could safely discuss the unsettling aspects of the search and see if there were any connections. I only did so after the group agreed that nothing would leave the forum. I never wished for any of it to leave the forum. Quote About half of what said was opinion, which I clearly stated. They used a lot of my words taken out of context and confused opinions with facts. Quote I didn't dodge questions. I didn't have this information. I disappeared from the board because I was working offshore of Norway in the North Sea and also in remote places in North Africa and Egypt. I was gone from July through September. When I came back, I logged into the forum and saw they were about to release this grand document containing basically everything I said or posted. Much of it I knew was incorrect and based on opinion. I didn't agree with this, knowing it was inaccurate and also it was understood that nothing I posted was to be made public. They pressured me to change my mind and I wouldn't. Quote I didn't threaten any of them. I said that I personally didn't want to get sued for breaking a confidentiality agreement with information ending up on the Internet. Them pushing it all out put me at risk legally and jeopardized my relationship with John (which is now destroyed over this). Also, this information did not belong posted on the Internet in the first place. It was a huge naive misjudgement on my part to trust this group enough to share it in confidence. Quote I said the FBI did a DNA analysis on the sample they received. They re-interpreted this as having found remains in the trap. Quote John wasn't refusing to give it any credence before inspection on Jan 7th, he was remaining objective and keeping focused. I said John wasn't convinced. He wasn't. He said he wouldn't be convinced unless he heard otherwise from the FBI. Quote Tim Miller went to Nicaragua on his own terms and Dateline followed him. Tim was chasing down the Nicaraguan lead. He wasn't removed from the Persistence. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 14, 2009, 04:14:11 PM Evidently ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: antunym on April 14, 2009, 04:29:11 PM ::MonkeyCool::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: antunym on April 14, 2009, 04:34:29 PM Thank you Janet your amazing! My only thought to all of this is that if indeed there is an actual video that Kyle got screen shots from then what is missing in these screen captures? It's like we are given a before and after shot. If we had the whole video we would know what was collected. Did Kermit get to see the whole video while Kyle was dealing with the freebirds? I'm sure the whole video would reveal anything extra (the skirt, bones, etc) If there was only plastic pieces collected from the cage then it would be nothing evidence related and Kyle could show it to prove it right? JMO
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 14, 2009, 04:46:36 PM Somebody in Houston knew about Dateline before Persistence ever left the US. Quote johan555 Re: The Cage « Reply #2 on: March 11, 2009, 10:51:10 am » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- tippster said http://www.topix.com/forum/world/aruba/TDL9MI47I6PJE69P7/p2 Houston, TX | #38 Dec 4, 2007 They found her body in a lobster cage 11 miles off of the south shore in Aruba; my aunt was apart of the robotic opperation. Dateline NBC will be breaking the story.... http://www.topix.com/forum/world/aruba/TDL9MI47I6PJE69P7/p2 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 14, 2009, 05:20:53 PM The Dark Lard! ::MonkeyLaugh:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 14, 2009, 05:22:00 PM o.k. now somebody tell me what the rest of it means! ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 14, 2009, 05:27:34 PM Thank you Janet your amazing! My only thought to all of this is that if indeed there is an actual video that Kyle got screen shots from then what is missing in these screen captures? It's like we are given a before and after shot. If we had the whole video we would know what was collected. Did Kermit get to see the whole video while Kyle was dealing with the freebirds? I'm sure the whole video would reveal anything extra (the skirt, bones, etc) If there was only plastic pieces collected from the cage then it would be nothing evidence related and Kyle could show it to prove it right? JMO Kermit would have to confirm but ... I think we have been privy to all the images that Kyle has revealed. However ... aside from the images we have been afforded Kyle Kingman's own words regarding his professional interpretation of what the ROV footage revealed. Janet ++++++ KYLE KINGMAN - QUALIFICATIONS Kingman Geophysical Solutions Innovative solutions in ocean exploration. Specializing in Marine GIS, side scan sonar interp and processing, magnetometer/gradiometer processing, hydrographic surveys, project management, reporting, and charting. Saturday, March 21, 2009 More: http://geosolutions.blogspot.com/ THE ANALYSIS The fabric - The Tarp - The vertebrae - The Skull Kyle Kingman: I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF. Kyle Kingman: This is how the Dateline episode happened: Dateline (Tim Uelinger) had an agreement with Tim Miller to 'do a story to tell about and help promote TES and give TM recognition, and perhaps a 10 minute side-line story on Natalee along with 11 other missing persons. Dateline tagged along with TM for a while pre-NH search. They (TM and Dateline) came on the Persistence between 15-Dec and 30-Dec. I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand/ Kyle Kingman: The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric. Kyle Kingman: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising. Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. Kyle Kingman: In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew. In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric. Kyle Kingman: Notice the blue fabric swayed in the current. Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening. Kyle Kingman: I am 100% confident other important items are at that site and can be found during processing of the site with a suction system. The only confirmation of items sampled were blue fabric and the piece of tarp. This is the only thing Richardson and Mos independantly confirmed. Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both. Kyle Kingman: The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull. Kyle Kingman: I'm sorry if this is disturbing. I took the picture of Natalee standing on the beach and cropped, rotated, and scaled the image to correlate with the trap body form. Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. Kyle Kingman: The bag that is above the denim bag looks to me as though it contains pieces of vertebrae. Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small. Kyle Kingman: The sediment in this case is fine-grained sand which is preferencially deposited to make a body form. For sand to preferentially deposit, there needs to be a lower energy state where the sand collects and stays. This can be achieved either with a shallow depression creating accomodation space and lower potential energy (not the case) or by creating small eddy currents due to surface friction. The sediment around the door area is being eroded or removed by currents. Where the body was, it is being deposited. Basically, the fabrics created enough resistence for sediment to preferentially collect on it. Further, bacterial staining due to decaying organics acts as a mild cementing agent. Combined, you will have sediment erosion around the body form and deposition on the body form which collects through time. In this case, possibly 2 1/2 years. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 14, 2009, 05:47:43 PM Somebody in Houston knew about Dateline before Persistence ever left the US. Quote johan555 Re: The Cage « Reply #2 on: March 11, 2009, 10:51:10 am » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- tippster said http://www.topix.com/forum/world/aruba/TDL9MI47I6PJE69P7/p2 Houston, TX | #38 Dec 4, 2007 They found her body in a lobster cage 11 miles off of the south shore in Aruba; my aunt was apart of the robotic opperation. Dateline NBC will be breaking the story.... http://www.topix.com/forum/world/aruba/TDL9MI47I6PJE69P7/p2 ::MonkeyShocked:: Does anything know if there was a woman who participated in the Persistence undertaking. If so ... who was she. Thank you. Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: klaasend on April 14, 2009, 05:50:45 PM FYI - I know the site has gone down alot today. I've let Dugga know and I'm sure he's working on it. Might simply be high traffic.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 14, 2009, 06:02:04 PM antunym
There is no proof that Natalee Holloway's remains were in that trap and ... thanks to John Silvetti the family may never know. According to Kyle Kingman's own words ... Silvetti afforded the enemy possession of the contents of that trap ... the enemy who has prevented justice from prevailing since the getgo. Janet ++++++ THE BETRAYAL The Analysis Kyle Kingman: We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap. Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand ... The Meeting Kyle Kingman: On the morning of the 30th we met on board the Persistence with Hans Mos, Richardson, and the rest of the police brass and dive division. I showed them all the 29th dive video and they agreed that it was very suspicion and looked promising. The Visual Dive Kyle Kingman: We had an American diver with us on the Dec 30th dive. We were encouraged to do so and invited by the Arubans. I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol. Kyle Kingman: Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan. Kyle Kingman: When Tim T. gives one thumb down, he said that it was inconclusive. He couldn't tell by his own admission. Kyle Kingman: The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present). Kyle Kingman: John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word Kyle Kingman: Aruban divers deemed the cage to be not case related, and therefore Aruba had no interest in it. At that point, I made the statement to all on board that we do have an interest and that we would recover the cage ourselves. That is when Mos said they would dive on it but it would take 1 -2 weeks for a forensics team to arrive and that he would let Persistence know. Tim Miller - A Liability Kyle Kingman: After the Dec 30th dive John [Silvetti] didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee. John Silvetti - Full Control Kyle Kingman: I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water. Kyle Kingman: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap. The Recovery Kyle Kingman: For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan. Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat. Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains. Kyle Kingman: I was told to move forward and to forget about the trap. I was told not to show anyone the images. The Underlying Motve Kyle Kingman - John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 14, 2009, 06:09:23 PM Thank you Janet your amazing! My only thought to all of this is that if indeed there is an actual video that Kyle got screen shots from then what is missing in these screen captures? It's like we are given a before and after shot. If we had the whole video we would know what was collected. Did Kermit get to see the whole video while Kyle was dealing with the freebirds? I'm sure the whole video would reveal anything extra (the skirt, bones, etc) If there was only plastic pieces collected from the cage then it would be nothing evidence related and Kyle could show it to prove it right? JMO Kermit would have to confirm but ... I think we have been privy to all the images that Kyle has revealed. However ... aside from the images we have been afforded Kyle Kingman's own words regarding his professional interpretation of what the ROV footage revealed. Janet ++++++ KYLE KINGMAN - QUALIFICATIONS Kingman Geophysical Solutions Innovative solutions in ocean exploration. Specializing in Marine GIS, side scan sonar interp and processing, magnetometer/gradiometer processing, hydrographic surveys, project management, reporting, and charting. Saturday, March 21, 2009 More: http://geosolutions.blogspot.com/ THE ANALYSIS The fabric - The Tarp - The vertebrae - The Skull Kyle Kingman: I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF. Kyle Kingman: This is how the Dateline episode happened: Dateline (Tim Uelinger) had an agreement with Tim Miller to 'do a story to tell about and help promote TES and give TM recognition, and perhaps a 10 minute side-line story on Natalee along with 11 other missing persons. Dateline tagged along with TM for a while pre-NH search. They (TM and Dateline) came on the Persistence between 15-Dec and 30-Dec. I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand/ Kyle Kingman: The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric. Kyle Kingman: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising. Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. Kyle Kingman: In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew. In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric. Kyle Kingman: Notice the blue fabric swayed in the current. Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening. Kyle Kingman: I am 100% confident other important items are at that site and can be found during processing of the site with a suction system. The only confirmation of items sampled were blue fabric and the piece of tarp. This is the only thing Richardson and Mos independantly confirmed. Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both. Kyle Kingman: The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull. Kyle Kingman: I'm sorry if this is disturbing. I took the picture of Natalee standing on the beach and cropped, rotated, and scaled the image to correlate with the trap body form. Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. Kyle Kingman: The bag that is above the denim bag looks to me as though it contains pieces of vertebrae. Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small. Kyle Kingman: The sediment in this case is fine-grained sand which is preferencially deposited to make a body form. For sand to preferentially deposit, there needs to be a lower energy state where the sand collects and stays. This can be achieved either with a shallow depression creating accomodation space and lower potential energy (not the case) or by creating small eddy currents due to surface friction. The sediment around the door area is being eroded or removed by currents. Where the body was, it is being deposited. Basically, the fabrics created enough resistence for sediment to preferentially collect on it. Further, bacterial staining due to decaying organics acts as a mild cementing agent. Combined, you will have sediment erosion around the body form and deposition on the body form which collects through time. In this case, possibly 2 1/2 years. OK, so which parts have we taken out of context and how? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 14, 2009, 06:09:51 PM Somebody in Houston knew about Dateline before Persistence ever left the US. Quote johan555 Re: The Cage « Reply #2 on: March 11, 2009, 10:51:10 am » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- tippster said http://www.topix.com/forum/world/aruba/TDL9MI47I6PJE69P7/p2 Houston, TX | #38 Dec 4, 2007 They found her body in a lobster cage 11 miles off of the south shore in Aruba; my aunt was apart of the robotic opperation. Dateline NBC will be breaking the story.... http://www.topix.com/forum/world/aruba/TDL9MI47I6PJE69P7/p2 ::MonkeyShocked:: Does anything know if there was a woman who participated in the Persistence undertaking. If so ... who was she. Thank you. Janet There is a woman in a couple pictures on board the Persistence, but I don't know if she was ever identified. She may have just been a visitor? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 14, 2009, 06:10:41 PM FYI - I know the site has gone down alot today. I've let Dugga know and I'm sure he's working on it. Might simply be high traffic. Thanks Klaas! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 14, 2009, 06:28:49 PM ldstlou Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm » In November and December 2008 when I spoke to Kyle and he e-mailed Jug and I, he expressed to us, the same assessment of John Silvetti as he did in that March 18th documented post at SM, one of repsect and awe. Kyle Kingman: I had questions which were very unsettling about what I had observed during the search including the events surrounding the trap inspection by the Aruban divers and how the samples were handled by ALE - solely Richardson. This made me very uneasy. It was unsettling and I had no one to talk about it with. The Freebird forum was a place where I could safely discuss the unsettling aspects of the search and see if there were any connections. I only did so after the group agreed that nothing would leave the forum. I never wished for any of it to leave the forum. http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191 Credit: Lifesong KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS Kyle Kingman - 03/20/08: Since I got the go ahead from Tim (T), we can legally move forward. The document should follow-up the screen shots and trap content description. We can sent the document after the initial dialog. I trust then she (Beth) will be interested in the document. The contents of the document should be discussed and agreed upon by the birds. Since I'm new here, I should take a back seat to this IMO. I would think it would be a case synthesis which culminates with the trap contents and lack of interest and motivation to fully process the site. Perhaps Beth will then use the document to create the proper motivation using the information to apply political pressure from both sides. The problem I ran into earlier with the FBI was that their hands are tied to do anything unless they're invited to the party. I think political pressure properly applied will ensure an invite to the party. Thoughts? Title - perhaps "Case Synthesis and Search Results", or something to that effect. Credit: Jen Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 14, 2009, 06:30:37 PM Somebody in Houston knew about Dateline before Persistence ever left the US. Quote johan555 Re: The Cage « Reply #2 on: March 11, 2009, 10:51:10 am » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- tippster said http://www.topix.com/forum/world/aruba/TDL9MI47I6PJE69P7/p2 Houston, TX | #38 Dec 4, 2007 They found her body in a lobster cage 11 miles off of the south shore in Aruba; my aunt was apart of the robotic opperation. Dateline NBC will be breaking the story.... http://www.topix.com/forum/world/aruba/TDL9MI47I6PJE69P7/p2 ::MonkeyShocked:: Does anything know if there was a woman who participated in the Persistence undertaking. If so ... who was she. Thank you. Janet There is a woman in a couple pictures on board the Persistence, but I don't know if she was ever identified. She may have just been a visitor? (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/Hinkey.gif) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 14, 2009, 06:37:03 PM HT Blonde
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.120 (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/aruba20.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: klaasend on April 14, 2009, 06:38:42 PM FYI - I just found out the the "E" channel is showing a repeat of 2008 "The Final Hours of Natalee Holloway" at 5pm tonight PST.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 14, 2009, 06:39:06 PM HT Blonde http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.120 (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/aruba20.jpg) HT Blonde http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.120 (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/persistence/aruba19.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 14, 2009, 06:47:27 PM FYI - I just found out the the "E" channel is showing a repeat of 2008 "The Final Hours of Natalee Holloway" at 5pm tonight PST. Thanks Klaas! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 14, 2009, 06:54:51 PM Thanks texasmom.
I wonder who she is? ::MonkeyNoNo:: Did John Silvetti and the Arubans have a mutually beneficial arrangement in the works prior to the Persistence undertaking ever getting under way? Could it be that John Silvetti and the Arubans did not anticipate Kyle Kingman undermining the Aruban diver's declaration that nothing significant was in the trap and ... sending ROV screen shots to the FBI? Could it be that John Silvetti and the Arubans did not anticipate Kyle Kingman sharing his concerns regarding the recovery process with the Natalee's Freebirds? Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 14, 2009, 06:55:15 PM Reply »
|Report Abuse |Judge it! |#38 Dec 4, 2007 They found her body in a lobster cage 11 miles off of the south shore in Aruba; my aunt was apart of the robotic opperation. Dateline NBC will be breaking the story.... http://www.topix.com/forum/world/aruba/TDL9MI47I6PJE69P7/p2 Am I confused or what? How could this poster have know there was a body found and posted about it on Dec 4 2007...If the Peristence did not find the trap until Dec 25 2007.. ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 14, 2009, 07:03:13 PM http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55190.php
Aruba Easter weekend full of events 14 Apr, 2009, 17:28 (GMT -04:00) (http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/14-aruba-politieauto-ongelu.gif) A police car knalde against a wall in the Hard Berna Street in San Nicolas. ORANGE CITY - During the past Easter weekend was the police and aid workers again quite busy. Last weekend, 120 fines handed out. In connection with the expected crowds at the beaches because of the campers, the road near Eagle Beach compared to control. The police checked on seatbelts and test card, number plate, traffic speed and alcohol consumption. The public will in the near future even more this type of check can expect, says inspector Ricardo Muller. Notable incidents that took place last weekend were: a woman of Venezuelan origin was raped. The woman wanted to do and no declaration was also rejected by the medical monitor, said police, who have yeast to the reason. Also there were four people on the beach held in connection with drug trafficking, two in Arashi and the other two on Eagle Beach. There were many accidents on the road to regret including a police car in the Bernard Street in San Nicolas was on its way to a robbery and lost control when a car afsloeg them. Another ambulance was involved in an accident. In the vicinity of San Miguel was a frontal collision between two cars which two were injured. A driver lost control in Kudawecha on the handlebars and landed on his head on the road. The Natural Bridge two tourists were injured after an accident involving a quad racer. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 14, 2009, 07:09:38 PM Reply » |Report Abuse |Judge it! |#38 Dec 4, 2007 They found her body in a lobster cage 11 miles off of the south shore in Aruba; my aunt was apart of the robotic opperation. Dateline NBC will be breaking the story.... http://www.topix.com/forum/world/aruba/TDL9MI47I6PJE69P7/p2 Am I confused or what? How could this poster have know there was a body found and posted about it on Dec 4 2007...If the Peristence did not find the trap until Dec 25 2007.. ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: Yes, and the Persistence, as far as we know, had not even arrived until a couple of weeks after 12/4/07. ::MonkeyRoll:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 14, 2009, 07:10:51 PM Reply » |Report Abuse |Judge it! |#38 Dec 4, 2007 They found her body in a lobster cage 11 miles off of the south shore in Aruba; my aunt was apart of the robotic opperation. Dateline NBC will be breaking the story.... http://www.topix.com/forum/world/aruba/TDL9MI47I6PJE69P7/p2 Am I confused or what? How could this poster have know there was a body found and posted about it on Dec 4 2007...If the Peristence did not find the trap until Dec 25 2007.. ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: Hotping ... similar comments have been submitted to the Boycott Aruba site that imply the trap was discovered prior to the Persistence entering Aruban waters. Unless the author of the following post had a prophetic vision ... I contend that somebody who was participating in the Persistence undertaking blabbed. Think about it. The words in the following post reflect Kyle's words in regards to the contents of the trap. As Beth Holloway would say "Greta, this is huge." Janet ++++++ BOYCOTT ARUBA--JUSTICE FOR NATALEE December 18, 2007 Comments: DEA can fire on ALE said... ALE are tapping on the cellphone towers to listen on Persistence's wireless. They bugged the timeshare like Mos did without a court order. Periscopes are mounted on top of the high rises to watch the crew and operations. The Dutch spy satellite is tracking every inch of Persistence's movement. They are very unhappy about the clear sonar images. One image is of a drug submarine sunked by the coast guard. The other one image is the anchor and chain used to weight down a crab cage of a missing American's body. The crab cage is somewhere separated and sitting nearby. Persistence did not provide that image. It may be Natalee is inside the cage. This morning is super emotional and silent. John, Tim and Kyle are studying the closer snapshot of the crab cage. Something look like tennis shoes and a big knife inside. Some bones with some blue fabric around them. Most likely they belong to Natalee. The ALE are waiting for the warrant signed by judge Bob Witt to board Persistence and take over. However, the Persistence has the protection of the DEA helicopters. They can fire the hellfire missiles on the ALE boats. Aruba wants to make Persistence an international crisis to coverup it's cold case. December 21, 2007 11:33:00 AM EST http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2007/12/just-in-natalees-case-closed.html Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 14, 2009, 07:12:52 PM Reply » |Report Abuse |Judge it! |#38 Dec 4, 2007 They found her body in a lobster cage 11 miles off of the south shore in Aruba; my aunt was apart of the robotic opperation. Dateline NBC will be breaking the story.... http://www.topix.com/forum/world/aruba/TDL9MI47I6PJE69P7/p2 Am I confused or what? How could this poster have know there was a body found and posted about it on Dec 4 2007...If the Peristence did not find the trap until Dec 25 2007.. ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: Yes, and the Persistence, as far as we know, had not even arrived until a couple of weeks after 12/4/07. ::MonkeyRoll:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 14, 2009, 07:15:16 PM Reply » |Report Abuse |Judge it! |#38 Dec 4, 2007 They found her body in a lobster cage 11 miles off of the south shore in Aruba; my aunt was apart of the robotic opperation. Dateline NBC will be breaking the story.... http://www.topix.com/forum/world/aruba/TDL9MI47I6PJE69P7/p2 Am I confused or what? How could this poster have know there was a body found and posted about it on Dec 4 2007...If the Peristence did not find the trap until Dec 25 2007.. ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: Hotping ... similar comments have been submitted to the Boycott Aruba site that imply the trap was discovered prior to the Persistence entering Aruban waters. Unless the author of the following post had a prophetic vision ... I contend that somebody who was participating in the Persistence undertaking blabbed. Think about it. The words in the following post reflect Kyle's words in regards to the contents of the trap. As Beth Holloway would say "Greta, this is huge." Janet ++++++ BOYCOTT ARUBA--JUSTICE FOR NATALEE December 18, 2007 Comments: DEA can fire on ALE said... ALE are tapping on the cellphone towers to listen on Persistence's wireless. They bugged the timeshare like Mos did without a court order. Periscopes are mounted on top of the high rises to watch the crew and operations. The Dutch spy satellite is tracking every inch of Persistence's movement. They are very unhappy about the clear sonar images. One image is of a drug submarine sunked by the coast guard. The other one image is the anchor and chain used to weight down a crab cage of a missing American's body. The crab cage is somewhere separated and sitting nearby. Persistence did not provide that image. It may be Natalee is inside the cage. This morning is super emotional and silent. John, Tim and Kyle are studying the closer snapshot of the crab cage. Something look like tennis shoes and a big knife inside. Some bones with some blue fabric around them. Most likely they belong to Natalee. The ALE are waiting for the warrant signed by judge Bob Witt to board Persistence and take over. However, the Persistence has the protection of the DEA helicopters. They can fire the hellfire missiles on the ALE boats. Aruba wants to make Persistence an international crisis to coverup it's cold case. December 21, 2007 11:33:00 AM EST http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2007/12/just-in-natalees-case-closed.html Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: klaasend on April 14, 2009, 07:17:58 PM Wanted to have a screen capture. They must have had some inside information to know about Dateline right? Or did we already know about Dateline by December 4?
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/tippster.jpg) Note: the "tippster" is saying SOUTH shore which would be closer to the refinery Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 14, 2009, 07:21:50 PM ldstlou Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm » In November and December 2008 when I spoke to Kyle and he e-mailed Jug and I, he expressed to us, the same assessment of John Silvetti as he did in that March 18th documented post at SM, one of repsect and awe. Kyle Kingman: I had questions which were very unsettling about what I had observed during the search including the events surrounding the trap inspection by the Aruban divers and how the samples were handled by ALE - solely Richardson. This made me very uneasy. It was unsettling and I had no one to talk about it with. The Freebird forum was a place where I could safely discuss the unsettling aspects of the search and see if there were any connections. I only did so after the group agreed that nothing would leave the forum. I never wished for any of it to leave the forum. http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191 Credit: Lifesong KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS Kyle Kingman - 03/20/08: Since I got the go ahead from Tim (T), we can legally move forward. The document should follow-up the screen shots and trap content description. We can sent the document after the initial dialog. I trust then she (Beth) will be interested in the document. The contents of the document should be discussed and agreed upon by the birds. Since I'm new here, I should take a back seat to this IMO. I would think it would be a case synthesis which culminates with the trap contents and lack of interest and motivation to fully process the site. Perhaps Beth will then use the document to create the proper motivation using the information to apply political pressure from both sides. The problem I ran into earlier with the FBI was that their hands are tied to do anything unless they're invited to the party. I think political pressure properly applied will ensure an invite to the party. Thoughts? Title - perhaps "Case Synthesis and Search Results", or something to that effect. Credit: Jen Great job, Janet! Here's one for you: Per ldstlou: Kyle said: "I said the FBI did a DNA analysis on the sample they received. They re-interpreted this as having found remains in the trap." Per Kyle's own post (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360330#msg360330): "If you quote me, please include the quote for accuracy. I never said there were no human remains. I woudn't comment to that effect. I have neither confirmed nor denied the issue. The only comment I said was quoting Tim Trahan." Per Kyle's own post (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366367#msg366367): "I'm glad you all received that in the spirit it was intended. - I heard about the possibility of human remains 2nd hand from someone who was under the impression that there were remains. It's possible they got that impression because DNA testing was being done by the FBI??" Per Kyle's own post (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366378#msg366378): "The question over whether or not the FBI has human remains or not is not answerable at this point. They are not commenting on the case. They only commented on the fabric sample and that it's not a match to Natalee's blouse. However, the impression I took away was based on a conversation with someone who told me there were remains, which left me rather suprised to hear from him. But, it's possible that in conversation he confused remains vs. DNA. Honestly, I was under the impression that if there was DNA, there was remains and so I agreed with him." I never realized until now that it was Tim Trahan that told Kyle there were remains in the trap... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 14, 2009, 07:26:14 PM Wanted to have a screen capture. They must have had some inside information to know about Dateline right? Or did we already know about Dateline by December 4? (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/tippster.jpg) Note: the "tippster" is saying SOUTH shore which would be closer to the refinery The trap wasn't 11 miles out either.... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 14, 2009, 07:50:49 PM Kyle Kingman has updated his linkedin site.
(snipped) Kyle Kingman’s Summary I graduated from Rutgers University with a Masters in Marine Geology/Oceanography, Masters in Engineering Geophysics, and BS in Geology. I began consulting while in grad school for the offshore industry focusing on hydrographic survey and shallow geophysics. My experience since then has taken me around the globe with strong emphasis in most of the major offshore industry geographical arenas including the: Gulf of Mexico, North Sea, Persian Gulf, Mediterranean, Caribbean, Arabian Sea, Pacific, Atlantic, Arctic....etc, also spanning major sectors of offshore industry including: Submarine telecommunications, submarine power transmission, pipelines, LNG facilities, offshore wind and alternative energy, shipwrecks, and even finding missing persons. I am currently self employed and spend most of my time involved in project management roles, consulting, data acquisition and QC offshore, and processing, analysis, and reporting onshore both abroad and from my home office. My aim is to provide clients with a superior product by combining innovation and technology and time-tested and proven methods, with excellence and integrity. More here: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: klaasend on April 14, 2009, 07:58:15 PM Wanted to have a screen capture. They must have had some inside information to know about Dateline right? Or did we already know about Dateline by December 4? (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/tippster.jpg) Note: the "tippster" is saying SOUTH shore which would be closer to the refinery The trap wasn't 11 miles out either.... Different trap? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 14, 2009, 08:14:16 PM ldstlou Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm » In November and December 2008 when I spoke to Kyle and he e-mailed Jug and I, he expressed to us, the same assessment of John Silvetti as he did in that March 18th documented post at SM, one of repsect and awe. Kyle Kingman: I had questions which were very unsettling about what I had observed during the search including the events surrounding the trap inspection by the Aruban divers and how the samples were handled by ALE - solely Richardson. This made me very uneasy. It was unsettling and I had no one to talk about it with. The Freebird forum was a place where I could safely discuss the unsettling aspects of the search and see if there were any connections. I only did so after the group agreed that nothing would leave the forum. I never wished for any of it to leave the forum. http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191 Credit: Lifesong KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS Kyle Kingman - 03/20/08: Since I got the go ahead from Tim (T), we can legally move forward. The document should follow-up the screen shots and trap content description. We can sent the document after the initial dialog. I trust then she (Beth) will be interested in the document. The contents of the document should be discussed and agreed upon by the birds. Since I'm new here, I should take a back seat to this IMO. I would think it would be a case synthesis which culminates with the trap contents and lack of interest and motivation to fully process the site. Perhaps Beth will then use the document to create the proper motivation using the information to apply political pressure from both sides. The problem I ran into earlier with the FBI was that their hands are tied to do anything unless they're invited to the party. I think political pressure properly applied will ensure an invite to the party. Thoughts? Title - perhaps "Case Synthesis and Search Results", or something to that effect. Credit: Jen Great job, Janet! Here's one for you: Per ldstlou: Kyle said: "I said the FBI did a DNA analysis on the sample they received. They re-interpreted this as having found remains in the trap." Per Kyle's own post (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360330#msg360330): "If you quote me, please include the quote for accuracy. I never said there were no human remains. I woudn't comment to that effect. I have neither confirmed nor denied the issue. The only comment I said was quoting Tim Trahan." Per Kyle's own post (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366367#msg366367): "I'm glad you all received that in the spirit it was intended. - I heard about the possibility of human remains 2nd hand from someone who was under the impression that there were remains. It's possible they got that impression because DNA testing was being done by the FBI??" Per Kyle's own post (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366378#msg366378): "The question over whether or not the FBI has human remains or not is not answerable at this point. They are not commenting on the case. They only commented on the fabric sample and that it's not a match to Natalee's blouse. However, the impression I took away was based on a conversation with someone who told me there were remains, which left me rather suprised to hear from him. But, it's possible that in conversation he confused remains vs. DNA. Honestly, I was under the impression that if there was DNA, there was remains and so I agreed with him." I never realized until now that it was Tim Trahan that told Kyle there were remains in the trap... 84 Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 - on: March 18, 2008, 11:11:50 AM Quote from OceanExploration As of the 2nd week of Feb, this is what I had learned from the FBI: The contents of the trap were being actively investigated. The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample. Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 14, 2009, 08:19:21 PM Wanted to have a screen capture. They must have had some inside information to know about Dateline right? Or did we already know about Dateline by December 4? (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/tippster.jpg) Note: the "tippster" is saying SOUTH shore which would be closer to the refinery The trap wasn't 11 miles out either.... Different trap? I don't know, Klaas. I guess it's possible, but.... The mention of Dateline and the tip coming from Houston (if that's accurate) lends itself to someone associated with the Persistence/Texas Equusearch efforts. However, the Persistence left on 11/30 and arrived in Aruba on 12/15. I just don't see how they could've found her before they even got there. I think its just a prediction, of sorts, really. I am interested in knowing exactly when the Dateline info. was made public though. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 14, 2009, 08:22:38 PM 84 Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 - on: March 18, 2008, 11:11:50 AM Quote from OceanExploration As of the 2nd week of Feb, this is what I had learned from the FBI: The contents of the trap were being actively investigated. The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample. Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample. Thank you, Magnolia! That's the post I was actually looking for!! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 14, 2009, 08:22:42 PM Wanted to have a screen capture. They must have had some inside information to know about Dateline right? Or did we already know about Dateline by December 4? (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/tippster.jpg) Note: the "tippster" is saying SOUTH shore which would be closer to the refinery The trap wasn't 11 miles out either.... Different trap? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: ohcanada on April 14, 2009, 08:37:14 PM good evening monkeys
hope this works its the skull without the bags once again if this is olds news please forgive me Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 14, 2009, 08:38:24 PM Wanted to have a screen capture. They must have had some inside information to know about Dateline right? Or did we already know about Dateline by December 4? (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/tippster.jpg) Note: the "tippster" is saying SOUTH shore which would be closer to the refinery The trap wasn't 11 miles out either.... Different trap? I think that "Tipster" is Johan trying to prove that a post can be inserted to look like it was posted in real time. Johan made the statement about dates of posts when the post on Michelle's site were discovered. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 14, 2009, 08:44:10 PM Wanted to have a screen capture. They must have had some inside information to know about Dateline right? Or did we already know about Dateline by December 4? (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/tippster.jpg) Note: the "tippster" is saying SOUTH shore which would be closer to the refinery The trap wasn't 11 miles out either.... Different trap? I think that "Tipster" is Johan trying to prove that a post can be inserted to look like it was posted in real time. Johan made the statement about dates of posts when the post on Michelle's site were discovered. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 14, 2009, 09:01:22 PM good evening monkeys hope this works its the skull without the bags once again if this is olds news please forgive me Yes, that is a skull we discussed as a possibility, ohcanada. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 14, 2009, 09:03:24 PM Wanted to have a screen capture. They must have had some inside information to know about Dateline right? Or did we already know about Dateline by December 4? (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/tippster.jpg) Note: the "tippster" is saying SOUTH shore which would be closer to the refinery The trap wasn't 11 miles out either.... Different trap? I think that "Tipster" is Johan trying to prove that a post can be inserted to look like it was posted in real time. Johan made the statement about dates of posts when the post on Michelle's site were discovered. There was a joking response following tippster's saying something about not trusting 'aunt's'.....my radar went up when I read it...fwiw Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: klaasend on April 14, 2009, 09:38:01 PM I don't believe for one moment that Johan has the ability to use a Texas IP and insert a comment onto Topix and make it look back dated. Not Johan or anyone else. I believe it was posted on 12/4/07 but I'm thinking there was a Dateline segment/short when they were leaving the doc in Lafayette. I'll see if I can find it.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: ohcanada on April 14, 2009, 09:48:33 PM do we know the elevation difference from the raquet club to the fishermens huts
also is there a clear view from the raquet club to the same???? thanx Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 14, 2009, 10:35:05 PM I don't believe for one moment that Johan has the ability to use a Texas IP and insert a comment onto Topix and make it look back dated. Not Johan or anyone else. I believe it was posted on 12/4/07 but I'm thinking there was a Dateline segment/short when they were leaving the doc in Lafayette. I'll see if I can find it. ::MonkeyCool:: I just was mentioning the comment about not trusting 'aunt'....I don't think anyone made a comment with any adjusted date. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: klaasend on April 14, 2009, 10:43:33 PM I don't believe for one moment that Johan has the ability to use a Texas IP and insert a comment onto Topix and make it look back dated. Not Johan or anyone else. I believe it was posted on 12/4/07 but I'm thinking there was a Dateline segment/short when they were leaving the doc in Lafayette. I'll see if I can find it. ::MonkeyCool:: I just was mentioning the comment about not trusting 'aunt'....I don't think anyone made a comment with any adjusted date. Right but Magnolia mentioned Johan spoke of the date ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: antunym on April 14, 2009, 11:11:58 PM Thank you Janet your amazing! My only thought to all of this is that if indeed there is an actual video that Kyle got screen shots from then what is missing in these screen captures? It's like we are given a before and after shot. If we had the whole video we would know what was collected. Did Kermit get to see the whole video while Kyle was dealing with the freebirds? I'm sure the whole video would reveal anything extra (the skirt, bones, etc) If there was only plastic pieces collected from the cage then it would be nothing evidence related and Kyle could show it to prove it right? JMO Kermit would have to confirm but ... I think we have been privy to all the images that Kyle has revealed. However ... aside from the images we have been afforded Kyle Kingman's own words regarding his professional interpretation of what the ROV footage revealed. Janet ++++++ KYLE KINGMAN - QUALIFICATIONS Kingman Geophysical Solutions Innovative solutions in ocean exploration. Specializing in Marine GIS, side scan sonar interp and processing, magnetometer/gradiometer processing, hydrographic surveys, project management, reporting, and charting. Saturday, March 21, 2009 More: http://geosolutions.blogspot.com/ THE ANALYSIS The fabric - The Tarp - The vertebrae - The Skull Kyle Kingman: I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF. Kyle Kingman: This is how the Dateline episode happened: Dateline (Tim Uelinger) had an agreement with Tim Miller to 'do a story to tell about and help promote TES and give TM recognition, and perhaps a 10 minute side-line story on Natalee along with 11 other missing persons. Dateline tagged along with TM for a while pre-NH search. They (TM and Dateline) came on the Persistence between 15-Dec and 30-Dec. I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand/ Kyle Kingman: The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric. Kyle Kingman: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising. Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. Kyle Kingman: In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew. In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric. Kyle Kingman: Notice the blue fabric swayed in the current. Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening. Kyle Kingman: I am 100% confident other important items are at that site and can be found during processing of the site with a suction system. The only confirmation of items sampled were blue fabric and the piece of tarp. This is the only thing Richardson and Mos independantly confirmed. Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both. Kyle Kingman: The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull. Kyle Kingman: I'm sorry if this is disturbing. I took the picture of Natalee standing on the beach and cropped, rotated, and scaled the image to correlate with the trap body form. Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. Kyle Kingman: The bag that is above the denim bag looks to me as though it contains pieces of vertebrae. Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small. Kyle Kingman: The sediment in this case is fine-grained sand which is preferencially deposited to make a body form. For sand to preferentially deposit, there needs to be a lower energy state where the sand collects and stays. This can be achieved either with a shallow depression creating accomodation space and lower potential energy (not the case) or by creating small eddy currents due to surface friction. The sediment around the door area is being eroded or removed by currents. Where the body was, it is being deposited. Basically, the fabrics created enough resistence for sediment to preferentially collect on it. Further, bacterial staining due to decaying organics acts as a mild cementing agent. Combined, you will have sediment erosion around the body form and deposition on the body form which collects through time. In this case, possibly 2 1/2 years. OK, so which parts have we taken out of context and how? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 14, 2009, 11:13:14 PM I don't believe for one moment that Johan has the ability to use a Texas IP and insert a comment onto Topix and make it look back dated. Not Johan or anyone else. I believe it was posted on 12/4/07 but I'm thinking there was a Dateline segment/short when they were leaving the doc in Lafayette. I'll see if I can find it. ::MonkeyCool:: I just was mentioning the comment about not trusting 'aunt'....I don't think anyone made a comment with any adjusted date. Right but Magnolia mentioned Johan spoke of the date ::MonkeyWink:: My apologizies to Johan. It was Mum in Ohio that posted at GM LMAO And birdies posted on Michelle's blog....dates can be changed ya know...just sayin' Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: antunym on April 14, 2009, 11:17:44 PM Thank you Janet your amazing! My only thought to all of this is that if indeed there is an actual video that Kyle got screen shots from then what is missing in these screen captures? It's like we are given a before and after shot. If we had the whole video we would know what was collected. Did Kermit get to see the whole video while Kyle was dealing with the freebirds? I'm sure the whole video would reveal anything extra (the skirt, bones, etc) If there was only plastic pieces collected from the cage then it would be nothing evidence related and Kyle could show it to prove it right? JMO Kermit would have to confirm but ... I think we have been privy to all the images that Kyle has revealed. However ... aside from the images we have been afforded Kyle Kingman's own words regarding his professional interpretation of what the ROV footage revealed. Janet ++++++ KYLE KINGMAN - QUALIFICATIONS Kingman Geophysical Solutions Innovative solutions in ocean exploration. Specializing in Marine GIS, side scan sonar interp and processing, magnetometer/gradiometer processing, hydrographic surveys, project management, reporting, and charting. Saturday, March 21, 2009 More: http://geosolutions.blogspot.com/ THE ANALYSIS The fabric - The Tarp - The vertebrae - The Skull Kyle Kingman: I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF. Kyle Kingman: This is how the Dateline episode happened: Dateline (Tim Uelinger) had an agreement with Tim Miller to 'do a story to tell about and help promote TES and give TM recognition, and perhaps a 10 minute side-line story on Natalee along with 11 other missing persons. Dateline tagged along with TM for a while pre-NH search. They (TM and Dateline) came on the Persistence between 15-Dec and 30-Dec. I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand/ Kyle Kingman: The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric. Kyle Kingman: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising. Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. Kyle Kingman: In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew. In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric. Kyle Kingman: Notice the blue fabric swayed in the current. Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening. Kyle Kingman: I am 100% confident other important items are at that site and can be found during processing of the site with a suction system. The only confirmation of items sampled were blue fabric and the piece of tarp. This is the only thing Richardson and Mos independantly confirmed. Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both. Kyle Kingman: The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull. Kyle Kingman: I'm sorry if this is disturbing. I took the picture of Natalee standing on the beach and cropped, rotated, and scaled the image to correlate with the trap body form. Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. Kyle Kingman: The bag that is above the denim bag looks to me as though it contains pieces of vertebrae. Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small. Kyle Kingman: The sediment in this case is fine-grained sand which is preferencially deposited to make a body form. For sand to preferentially deposit, there needs to be a lower energy state where the sand collects and stays. This can be achieved either with a shallow depression creating accomodation space and lower potential energy (not the case) or by creating small eddy currents due to surface friction. The sediment around the door area is being eroded or removed by currents. Where the body was, it is being deposited. Basically, the fabrics created enough resistence for sediment to preferentially collect on it. Further, bacterial staining due to decaying organics acts as a mild cementing agent. Combined, you will have sediment erosion around the body form and deposition on the body form which collects through time. In this case, possibly 2 1/2 years. OK, so which parts have we taken out of context and how? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 14, 2009, 11:31:20 PM Maybe so, antunym....we surely hope for more, that is a given.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 14, 2009, 11:43:12 PM Well, it surely seems that a lot of posters made a lot of comments before they should have had anything to comment about.
That is just plain strange. Did all of them just make lucky guesses? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 15, 2009, 01:17:29 AM Just wanted to say goodnight to all the Monkey's..Me thinks that we'll need life jackets and possibly scuba gear in the future...
"The weather started getting rough, The tiny ship was tossed, If not for the courage of the fearless crew The Monkey's would be lost, the Monkey's would be lost." Dedicated to LifeSong and the Monkey Bunch..... ::MonkeyLaugh:: JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS KEEPTHEFAITH Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2009, 01:45:55 AM (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg) Truth & Justice for Natalee! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2009, 01:47:57 AM Good Night KTF, Anna, Lifesong & Cageman! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Cageman on April 15, 2009, 05:48:33 AM Good night to all of you! (Although it is in the morning in Holland!)
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Nut44x4 on April 15, 2009, 07:25:34 AM OMG.......been a long time since I saw that photo ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: I must use it for the next thread opening page. Thank you Texasmom!
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 15, 2009, 08:40:27 AM Thank you Janet.
That is only one of Kyle's lies in that little response he sent to ldstlou. ::MonkeyNoNo:: I think we've now seen the true definition of "CYA" in action. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ldstlou Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm » In November and December 2008 when I spoke to Kyle and he e-mailed Jug and I, he expressed to us, the same assessment of John Silvetti as he did in that March 18th documented post at SM, one of repsect and awe. Kyle Kingman: I had questions which were very unsettling about what I had observed during the search including the events surrounding the trap inspection by the Aruban divers and how the samples were handled by ALE - solely Richardson. This made me very uneasy. It was unsettling and I had no one to talk about it with. The Freebird forum was a place where I could safely discuss the unsettling aspects of the search and see if there were any connections. I only did so after the group agreed that nothing would leave the forum. I never wished for any of it to leave the forum. http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191 Credit: Lifesong KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS Kyle Kingman - 03/20/08: Since I got the go ahead from Tim (T), we can legally move forward. The document should follow-up the screen shots and trap content description. We can sent the document after the initial dialog. I trust then she (Beth) will be interested in the document. The contents of the document should be discussed and agreed upon by the birds. Since I'm new here, I should take a back seat to this IMO. I would think it would be a case synthesis which culminates with the trap contents and lack of interest and motivation to fully process the site. Perhaps Beth will then use the document to create the proper motivation using the information to apply political pressure from both sides. The problem I ran into earlier with the FBI was that their hands are tied to do anything unless they're invited to the party. I think political pressure properly applied will ensure an invite to the party. Thoughts? Title - perhaps "Case Synthesis and Search Results", or something to that effect. Credit: Jen Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 15, 2009, 08:42:51 AM Wanted to have a screen capture. They must have had some inside information to know about Dateline right? Or did we already know about Dateline by December 4? (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/tippster.jpg) Note: the "tippster" is saying SOUTH shore which would be closer to the refinery I think that so far the only public posting/discussion about Dateline was December 18th at BFN by "uma puma". So no - definitely nothing publicly mentioned as of Dec 4th. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 15, 2009, 08:44:32 AM Kyle Kingman has updated his linkedin site. (snipped) Kyle Kingman’s Summary I graduated from Rutgers University with a Masters in Marine Geology/Oceanography, Masters in Engineering Geophysics, and BS in Geology. I began consulting while in grad school for the offshore industry focusing on hydrographic survey and shallow geophysics. My experience since then has taken me around the globe with strong emphasis in most of the major offshore industry geographical arenas including the: Gulf of Mexico, North Sea, Persian Gulf, Mediterranean, Caribbean, Arabian Sea, Pacific, Atlantic, Arctic....etc, also spanning major sectors of offshore industry including: Submarine telecommunications, submarine power transmission, pipelines, LNG facilities, offshore wind and alternative energy, shipwrecks, and even finding missing persons. I am currently self employed and spend most of my time involved in project management roles, consulting, data acquisition and QC offshore, and processing, analysis, and reporting onshore both abroad and from my home office. My aim is to provide clients with a superior product by combining innovation and technology and time-tested and proven methods, with excellence and integrity. More here: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464 Well then. From the horse's mouth..............so to speak. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 15, 2009, 08:49:22 AM 84 Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 - on: March 18, 2008, 11:11:50 AM Quote from OceanExploration As of the 2nd week of Feb, this is what I had learned from the FBI: The contents of the trap were being actively investigated. The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample. Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample. Thank you, Magnolia! That's the post I was actually looking for!! ::MonkeyHaHa:: And look where Kyle said he got the information from (same thing he told us at our site) - highlighted in red above... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 15, 2009, 11:20:25 AM Good Morning, Monkeys!
Where is everybody? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 15, 2009, 11:25:01 AM Good Morning, Monkeys! Where is everybody? Morning Lifesong, I am here, but I'm afraid that I am not much help. I am worried about the missing monkeys. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 15, 2009, 11:25:52 AM Good Morning Monkeys! ::MonkeyDance::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Mere on April 15, 2009, 11:30:35 AM Good Morning Monkeys..... ::MonkeyDance::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 15, 2009, 11:55:04 AM GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!!
It is my hope that our missing Natalee Holloway monkeys are just taking a rest. It is so imparative that Kyle Kingman's own words regarding John Silvetti's betrayal of Natalee Holloway ... her family and ... those who supported the Persistence endeavor with their donations and ongoing prayers ... are not forgotten. I for one ... will post constant reminders on the forum of Kyle Kingman's own words. Maybe ... just maybe ... Kyle's own words exposed by the Natalee's Freebirds along with Lifesong's Superior Offshore timeline ... one Monkey or ... one of our guests ... will be in a position to blow the Persistence deception wide open and ... Natalee's family will be afforded a measure of closure. We must never remain discouraged. It is at times so difficult but ... our faith in an Absolute God dictates that we must do our part in whatever mission we are called to do and trust with all our hearts that He will take care of the outcome. Janet +++++ Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are called according to His purpose. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 15, 2009, 12:00:08 PM So I wonder how those who are saying we took Kyle's words out of context - and who are believing the lies he apparently told them after the fact - are now reconciling with themselves Kyle's own words to SM two years ago?
He very clearly states there were human remains found in that cage. He also very clearly states that the FBI said there were human remains found in that cage. Now here's the question......... WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE REMAINS? Richardson told Kyle the ENTIRETY of the cage contents were sent to the FBI. FBI told Kyle that SOME of the contents went to Holland for testing, and FBI received the rest. Obviously Kyle is stating the FBI knew there were human remains. Obviously what the FBI tested contained NOTHING that could prove this. WHO told the FBI there were human remains collected from that cage? What did Holland do with the human remains they were sent (obviously the FBI did not receive them)? Or did those remains even get sent to Holland? 84 Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 - on: March 18, 2008, 11:11:50 AM Quote from OceanExploration As of the 2nd week of Feb, this is what I had learned from the FBI: The contents of the trap were being actively investigated. The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample. Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample. Thank you, Magnolia! That's the post I was actually looking for!! ::MonkeyHaHa:: And look where Kyle said he got the information from (same thing he told us at our site) - highlighted in red above... Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 15, 2009, 12:05:35 PM Good Morning, Monkeys!
I posted this in the Musings Thread but will here as well so that all of you will know that the Deep South, the region from which Natalee came, is still in dire straits in many ways. Most of the electricity has been restored but we awaken to the sound of chain saws and they don't stop until dark. My roads are clear this morning so must do errands unable to complete since the storm hit. Also going without sleep for a couple of nights is tiring. Anyway, this is actual photo of friend and neighbor's son removing tree on their property and was not even newsworthy in all of this but so common as to hardly be noted except by those owning the property. (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/2009/2963_1052609037034_1280029643_30134.jpg) I think this is what some of the missing monkeys are involved in right now. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 15, 2009, 12:07:21 PM Kyle Kingman failed to realize when he made the decision to backtrack on his initial honorable intentions to expose the deception of John Silvetti who was project lead on the Persistence ... a private research group that was dedicated to expose the Aruban coverup agenda that has prevented justice from prevail for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005 was not about to sit on info which revealed an American's involvement in furthering that coverup agenda.
Janet +++++++ KYLE KINGMANS OWN WORDS - JUG TWITTY ldstlou Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm » The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December … Kyle Kingman: I had questions which were very unsettling about what I had observed during the search including the events surrounding the trap inspection by the Aruban divers and how the samples were handled by ALE - solely Richardson. This made me very uneasy. It was unsettling and I had no one to talk about it with. The Freebird forum was a place where I could safely discuss the unsettling aspects of the search and see if there were any connections. I only did so after the group agreed that nothing would leave the forum. I never wished for any of it to leave the forum. Kyle Kingman: I didn't dodge questions. I didn't have this information. I disappeared from the board because I was working offshore of Norway in the North Sea and also in remote places in North Africa and Egypt. I was gone from July through September. When I came back, I logged into the forum and saw they were about to release this grand document containing basically everything I said or posted. Much of it I knew was incorrect and based on opinion. I didn't agree with this, knowing it was inaccurate and also it was understood that nothing I posted was to be made public. They pressured me to change my mind and I wouldn't. Kyle Kingman: I didn't threaten any of them. I said that I personally didn't want to get sued for breaking a confidentiality agreement with information ending up on the Internet. Them pushing it all out put me at risk legally and jeopardized my relationship with John (which is now destroyed over this). Also, this information did not belong posted on the Internet in the first place. It was a huge naive misjudgement on my part to trust this group enough to share it in confidence. http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191 Credit: Lifesong KYLE KINGMAN’S OWN WORDS - NATALEE FREEBIRDS Document Kyle Kingman - 03/20/08: Since I got the go ahead from Tim (T), we can legally move forward. The document should follow-up the screen shots and trap content description. We can sent the document after the initial dialog. I trust then she (Beth) will be interested in the document. The contents of the document should be discussed and agreed upon by the birds. Since I'm new here, I should take a back seat to this IMO. I would think it would be a case synthesis which culminates with the trap contents and lack of interest and motivation to fully process the site. Perhaps Beth will then use the document to create the proper motivation using the information to apply political pressure from both sides. The problem I ran into earlier with the FBI was that their hands are tied to do anything unless they're invited to the party. I think political pressure properly applied will ensure an invite to the party. Thoughts? Title - perhaps "Case Synthesis and Search Results", or something to that effect. Network Deals: Kyle Kingman 06/10/08: Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere. We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 15, 2009, 12:07:22 PM Here are a few interesting comments to Kyle's Persistence blog. These are from the link to Kyle's blogs posted 12/19/07 - 12/28/07. As I understand it, Kyle did filter comments so he let these through... Link to Blog Post: http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/12/viii-day-1-side-scan-sonar-search.html Link to Comments only: https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6300940444130343140&postID=8338291030553571916 Quote Anonymous said... I guess van der Sloots attorneys filed to disallow any of your findings in a court of law due to the fact that you are a private search party for the Holloways and evidence may be planted. If you are fortunate to find her, will you have one of the Dutch officials on board Persistence before anything is raised from the ocean? Good luck with your search for Natalee. Americans are watching now more than ever after the news of Aruba closing the case. December 19, 2007 10:19 AM Miss-Underestimated said... Who will "own" any evidence in your search? Will interpool be involved? God Bless all of you for your dedication to finding Natalee Holloway. Beth and Dave, stay strong, we are all behind you. December 19, 2007 2:45 PM Anonymous said... If Natalee is found will she initially be brought to Aruba? It seems most likely that they will let any evidence deteriorate and decline to properly process the evidence. It seems rather clear that the Aruban Judiciary is uninterested in actually resolving the case. Is it possible to return Natalie immediately to the USA (bypassing Aruba) for forensic analysis by the FBI? December 20, 2007 3:56 PM -Rolls said... Excellent Kyle, thanks; the image of the anchor and chain gives a very good idea of the possible resolution. Also, please don't forget the folk who designed and constructed these great tools you are using. Calm seas and fair winds, -Rolls December 22, 2007 12:07 AM Anonymous said... I heard a news report that, in your sample testing, your crew placed a crab trap similar to the one widely believed to be used to dispose of Natalee to conduct tests. What a brilliant move. If true, this should train your eye to see the real thing, if she is down there. How did those pre-search tests go? Under the conditions where you able to visualize the sample crab trap? December 23, 2007 2:37 AM -Rolls said... "This test provided valuable information, both confirming that the construction materials alone can be detected and what kind of signatures to expect from the materials when on the seabed." May we see some representative sonar images posted? TIA. -Rolls December 24, 2007 12:50 AM Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 15, 2009, 12:08:04 PM Thank you for sharing that Anna - and glad to hear you are ok.
What a nightmare everyone has been enduring! I hope they all check in soon!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 15, 2009, 12:09:28 PM I am off for a few hours.
Janet 9:10 AM PT Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 15, 2009, 12:23:44 PM So I wonder how those who are saying we took Kyle's words out of context - and who are believing the lies he apparently told them after the fact - are now reconciling with themselves Kyle's own words to SM two years ago? He very clearly states there were human remains found in that cage. He also very clearly states that the FBI said there were human remains found in that cage. Now here's the question......... WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE REMAINS? Richardson told Kyle the ENTIRETY of the cage contents were sent to the FBI. FBI told Kyle that SOME of the contents went to Holland for testing, and FBI received the rest. Obviously Kyle is stating the FBI knew there were human remains. Obviously what the FBI tested contained NOTHING that could prove this. WHO told the FBI there were human remains collected from that cage? What did Holland do with the human remains they were sent (obviously the FBI did not receive them)? Or did those remains even get sent to Holland? ::MonkeyEek:: I don't think I knew that...right? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 15, 2009, 12:29:22 PM Kyle Kingman has updated his linkedin site. (snipped) Kyle Kingman’s Summary I graduated from Rutgers University with a Masters in Marine Geology/Oceanography, Masters in Engineering Geophysics, and BS in Geology. I began consulting while in grad school for the offshore industry focusing on hydrographic survey and shallow geophysics. My experience since then has taken me around the globe with strong emphasis in most of the major offshore industry geographical arenas including the: Gulf of Mexico, North Sea, Persian Gulf, Mediterranean, Caribbean, Arabian Sea, Pacific, Atlantic, Arctic....etc, also spanning major sectors of offshore industry including: Submarine telecommunications, submarine power transmission, pipelines, LNG facilities, offshore wind and alternative energy, shipwrecks, and even finding missing persons. I am currently self employed and spend most of my time involved in project management roles, consulting, data acquisition and QC offshore, and processing, analysis, and reporting onshore both abroad and from my home office. My aim is to provide clients with a superior product by combining innovation and technology and time-tested and proven methods, with excellence and integrity. More here: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464 Well then. From the horse's mouth..............so to speak. Does what I highlighted above mean Kyle is now a project manager or is that Kylespeak for meaning he works with project managers? If it means he is now a project manager, then that is career advancement and his words as posted by monkeys and freebirds have not harmed his career as accused. I for one did not ever think that it would be a career deterrent because that is a very specialized field and the demand so high that work should be more than plentiful. It's not as though the demand for oil is going to go down during the foreseeable future. I think the accusations of our doing harm to his career are invented to try to get us to stop because they do not reflect on his professional abilities. We are the ones upholding his abilities and saying he knows what he is talking about when he says he sees what he sees in that trap. That is what I think an employ err would be most concerned about, ability. Few are going to get into the ins and outs of politics in this tragedy of Natalee when hiring a pro for a project. It's like asking personal beliefs, etc. and has nothing to do with ability. JMO. . . Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 15, 2009, 12:30:24 PM Here are a few interesting comments to Kyle's Persistence blog. These are from the link to Kyle's blogs posted 12/19/07 - 12/28/07. As I understand it, Kyle did filter comments so he let these through... Link to Blog Post: http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/12/viii-day-1-side-scan-sonar-search.html Link to Comments only: https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6300940444130343140&postID=8338291030553571916 Quote Anonymous said... I guess van der Sloots attorneys filed to disallow any of your findings in a court of law due to the fact that you are a private search party for the Holloways and evidence may be planted. If you are fortunate to find her, will you have one of the Dutch officials on board Persistence before anything is raised from the ocean? Good luck with your search for Natalee. Americans are watching now more than ever after the news of Aruba closing the case. December 19, 2007 10:19 AM Miss-Underestimated said... Who will "own" any evidence in your search? Will interpool be involved? God Bless all of you for your dedication to finding Natalee Holloway. Beth and Dave, stay strong, we are all behind you. December 19, 2007 2:45 PM Anonymous said... If Natalee is found will she initially be brought to Aruba? It seems most likely that they will let any evidence deteriorate and decline to properly process the evidence. It seems rather clear that the Aruban Judiciary is uninterested in actually resolving the case. Is it possible to return Natalie immediately to the USA (bypassing Aruba) for forensic analysis by the FBI? December 20, 2007 3:56 PM -Rolls said... Excellent Kyle, thanks; the image of the anchor and chain gives a very good idea of the possible resolution. Also, please don't forget the folk who designed and constructed these great tools you are using. Calm seas and fair winds, -Rolls December 22, 2007 12:07 AM Anonymous said... I heard a news report that, in your sample testing, your crew placed a crab trap similar to the one widely believed to be used to dispose of Natalee to conduct tests. What a brilliant move. If true, this should train your eye to see the real thing, if she is down there. How did those pre-search tests go? Under the conditions where you able to visualize the sample crab trap? December 23, 2007 2:37 AM -Rolls said... "This test provided valuable information, both confirming that the construction materials alone can be detected and what kind of signatures to expect from the materials when on the seabed." May we see some representative sonar images posted? TIA. -Rolls December 24, 2007 12:50 AM Was there a news report about a sample cage? I know Dr. Hodges wrote about the sample cage on his website as having been done in December, but the writing was done in January, iirc. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 15, 2009, 12:32:41 PM Good Morning Monkeys..... ::MonkeyDance:: Mere, I hope you completed your taxes. I filed for an extension which is not at all unusual for me. I find the low penalties and interest worth the extra time it allows me. Just couldn't get it together in time yet again. Last year I hope I will be adding up all those cans of dog food! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 15, 2009, 12:37:15 PM O/T
OMG! Orbs! Some people seem to think these are some sort of spirit beings. I think they are humidity droplets inside camera that reflect light in different directions. Light has to be coming from certain angle to create them, sort of the way a rainbow is created. But if they were spirit beings, guess this would be the haunted hail storm, lol. (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/2009/46158667.jpg) ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 15, 2009, 12:40:54 PM Kyle Kingman has updated his linkedin site. (snipped) Kyle Kingman’s Summary I graduated from Rutgers University with a Masters in Marine Geology/Oceanography, Masters in Engineering Geophysics, and BS in Geology. I began consulting while in grad school for the offshore industry focusing on hydrographic survey and shallow geophysics. My experience since then has taken me around the globe with strong emphasis in most of the major offshore industry geographical arenas including the: Gulf of Mexico, North Sea, Persian Gulf, Mediterranean, Caribbean, Arabian Sea, Pacific, Atlantic, Arctic....etc, also spanning major sectors of offshore industry including: Submarine telecommunications, submarine power transmission, pipelines, LNG facilities, offshore wind and alternative energy, shipwrecks, and even finding missing persons. I am currently self employed and spend most of my time involved in project management roles, consulting, data acquisition and QC offshore, and processing, analysis, and reporting onshore both abroad and from my home office. My aim is to provide clients with a superior product by combining innovation and technology and time-tested and proven methods, with excellence and integrity. More here: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464 Well then. From the horse's mouth..............so to speak. Does what I highlighted above mean Kyle is now a project manager or is that Kylespeak for meaning he works with project managers? If it means he is now a project manager, then that is career advancement and his words as posted by monkeys and freebirds have not harmed his career as accused. I for one did not ever think that it would be a career deterrent because that is a very specialized field and the demand so high that work should be more than plentiful. It's not as though the demand for oil is going to go down during the foreseeable future. I think the accusations of our doing harm to his career are invented to try to get us to stop because they do not reflect on his professional abilities. We are the ones upholding his abilities and saying he knows what he is talking about when he says he sees what he sees in that trap. That is what I think an employ err would be most concerned about, ability. Few are going to get into the ins and outs of politics in this tragedy of Natalee when hiring a pro for a project. It's like asking personal beliefs, etc. and has nothing to do with ability. JMO. . . I took it to mean he is managing projects as contracted through various clients. His brief employment with Alpine apparently was not as fulfilling as working on his own, but that is just my thought, and not 'fact'. His blog has only a couple of new entries in the past year or so....not sure if all projects would be worthy of such documentation. His knowledge and skills have never been doubted. His personality is/was another story. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 15, 2009, 12:43:54 PM So I wonder how those who are saying we took Kyle's words out of context - and who are believing the lies he apparently told them after the fact - are now reconciling with themselves Kyle's own words to SM two years ago? He very clearly states there were human remains found in that cage. He also very clearly states that the FBI said there were human remains found in that cage. Now here's the question......... WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE REMAINS? Richardson told Kyle the ENTIRETY of the cage contents were sent to the FBI. FBI told Kyle that SOME of the contents went to Holland for testing, and FBI received the rest. Obviously Kyle is stating the FBI knew there were human remains. Obviously what the FBI tested contained NOTHING that could prove this. WHO told the FBI there were human remains collected from that cage? What did Holland do with the human remains they were sent (obviously the FBI did not receive them)? Or did those remains even get sent to Holland? ::MonkeyEek:: I don't think I knew that...right? I could have sworn that got posted here before............... But here it is (in context for the naysayers) This was the day after Kyle joined our forum and shared his initial information with us. This will also show some of the discussion about keeping this info (at that time) under wraps in case there was really an honest investigation ongoing about what was found. I left out posts from other Freebirds who participated in this dialogue. Note - the information of Kyle having sent screen shots to the FBI is what we later learned to have been a lie, and also note - that was Kyle's ONLY attempt (that we were told about) of having "sent this information to the FBI". March 19, 2008 post from ME to Kyle: I find it very curious that Mos and/or Richardson didn't take statements from everyone on board. (the Persistence) kyle wrote: Why? If I were Mos I would have done the following: - Once the Persistence finds the trap, convince them it's nothing significant This would calm media pressure and keep the Persistence searching while the investigation continues. No statements needed because this lets the team know it was case significant and of elevated interest. - While the search continues offshore unabated, process the trap site by a Dutch forensic team and continue getting the investigation buttoned up - While the forensic results are being processed, keep the search going as a smoke screen. With the Persistence puppet in play, everyone involved is relatively calm knowing that as long as we're searching, nothing significant is found. - Buy as much time as they can using the confession tape to encourage the Persistence to remain searching - Dateline opens up a can of worms by showing the public (and the perps) the trap, but claims it was of no interest - Put out a statement claiming no evidenciary value in the samples. - Continue investigation without media pressure or public outcry. - Once the investigation is complete, get all the authorities in play ready to arrest the whole lot simultaneously. - Arrest everyone involved then announce the full results. Kyle wrote: After studying the images, go back to the press release from Hans Mos regarding the trap and ask yourself these questions: -Does this statement really say anything at all? -Does the official FBI report say anything at all (verbatim to Mos's release)? - If the fabric was clearly a blue denim-like fabric (a skirt perhaps) why was the sample compared to Natalee's blouse? - Did the FBI receive this blue fabric or another fabric? - If it was another fabric, was it a fabric sampled from the trap? - Why would the FBI make a statement as they did on the heels of the Dateline special? The answers to these questions moves this case into three possible directions: 1) The case is currently under investigation and moving towards justice for Natalee. A lot of people will go to prison, but it may take months to complete the investigation from the beginning, including the coverup and investigation. judges...etc. 2) The case is currently being professionally covered up and the key evidence is shelved, or destroyed. 3) We have not yet found Natalee and what we found is someone else - but no interest is being demonstrated at finding out who it is. In my opinion the chances of either above scenario are equally split three ways. I wrote: Kyle, Can you give us names of Aruban officials present on the Jan 7th dive? Can you also tell us - were Persistence divers wanting to dive on Jan 7th? Were they prevented from doing so by Aruban officials? Were there any Aruban officials onboard the Persistence during the dive on Jan 7th? Or were they all on their own boat? Has Aruba asked you for the ROV footage from that dive? Kyle wrote: I don't have the names of the Aruban divers from the Jan 7th dive, but we should have a record of it. I know two of them, but forget their names. John will know the third diver's name if necessary. I don't recall who all was there on the 7th. The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat. I wrote: Just from having followed criminal cases before- I would think that for prosecutorial value, Mos would have needed statements from the crew. Mos had no way of knowing as of Dec 29, 30th or even by Jan 7th whether what you found was, or was not Natalee. For any evidence to be admissable in court - I would think very detailed statements from you all would be necessary. Also - if he were looking to bring down the whole corrupt "house of cards", he would need information from you all as to what you filmed of the recovery dive by his divers.....................I would think. Kyle wrote: I don't know how this should be handled. - I think the underwater pictures taken by the divers of the samples from the trap would be very useful. - We tried repeatedly for weeks unsecessfully to get an inventory from the FBI. Right before the Dateline special aired we got word (after pressure from C. Rice's office) from the FBI that they were testing the samples, and that HALF the samples were send to the NFI. This contradicted Richardson who said he sent everything to the FBI. - It would be useful knowing exactly what the FBI tested. - I send the FBI screen shots of the Jan 7th dive and blue fabric with a note asking if they can verify what was sampled versus the fabric pictured. I did not get a response. This was several weeks ago. I wrote: Kyle, I agree with each of the three scenarios being equally possible at this point in time. I think the only way anyone could possibly know for sure - is if Beth were to contact the FBI and find out what, exactly, they received from Richardson. One other way it could be possible - is to have John Kelly meet with Mos and go over the Aruban case file as it pertains to your find - pictures, officer reports, chain of custody logs, etc. I think Mos telling Richardson in late January that he (Richardson) could no longer receive evidence/information is very telling............and might indicate that Mos does not trust Richardson - and that may have everything to do with what was recovered from your find. That could indicate an intense investigation going on, which would include bringing down many of the corrupt officials as they can. The only thing that makes me possibly discount that scenario - is that statements were not taken from you guys after Dec 29th. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 15, 2009, 01:12:50 PM Jen, your post peeked my interest in what OE was posting about on 3/18/08....this is just one of several:
SNIPPING a quote from Janet: Also the dive was on December 30, 2007. Why did Aruba not immediately send the fabric to the FBI for forensic testing? Why did Aruba wait unti January 22, 2008? ---------- - We were told by Richardson that he personally immediately sent the samples to the FBI for forensic analysis. - I was suprised to hear the Jan-22nd date. To me there are two weeks missing there. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 15, 2009, 02:03:38 PM What is Serge Mansur to Jossy? Nephew? I was looking at his website earlier and read his bio through a translator, but there were so many Mansurs mentioned, I got lost. I had seen the ad on the bottom of the Diario page.
www.sergemansur.com Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 15, 2009, 02:06:39 PM Thanks, Jen! I'd like to speak to this notion of taking Kyle's words out of context. I'm a little tired of Kyle trying to have it both ways. Kyle attempted to tie the FBs hands behind their backs with claims of intellectual property, etc. to prevent them from publishing the facts and the opinions he had brought them. When they sought legal advice and found a way around his threats, Kyle claimed "out of context". Kyle and his defenders seem to think that only they were created with the intelligence to discern fact from opinion. I appreciate that Kermit, Jen and the other FBs here didn't feel that way. There was no other trap/cage that Kyle was discussing with the FBs. There were no other searches nor any other evidence he was discussing either. There is no out of context here. We know what Kyle was talking about. We know which quotes were his opinions. Perhaps Kyle's real beef about out of context is that we don't know what is fact and what is a lie, an embellishment, or Kyle's self-important spin. JMO and only MO Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 15, 2009, 02:18:09 PM Thanks, Jen! I'd like to speak to this notion of taking Kyle's words out of context. I'm a little tired of Kyle trying to have it both ways. Kyle attempted to tie the FBs hands behind their backs with claims of intellectual property, etc. to prevent them from publishing the facts and the opinions he had brought them. When they sought legal advice and found a way around his threats, Kyle claimed "out of context". Kyle and his defenders seem to think that only they were created with the intelligence to discern fact from opinion. I appreciate that Kermit, Jen and the other FBs here didn't feel that way. There was no other trap/cage that Kyle was discussing with the FBs. There were no other searches nor any other evidence he was discussing either. There is no out of context here. We know what Kyle was talking about. We know which quotes were his opinions. Perhaps Kyle's real beef about out of context is that we don't know what is fact and what is a lie, an embellishment, or Kyle's self-important spin. JMO and only MO Thank you, Lifesong, And I tend to agree. Just saying something is taken out of context doesn't mean that it happened. The normal reaction is to place the statements into the proper context for clarification, not just say they were taken out of context. And for most of the statements of Kyle, there is no other context as they stand alone in what he is saying. Thanks to Kyle's talents as a writer, he is more than able to articulate his thoughts and quite concisely at that. But I am always open to someone providing any specifics as to how things could be out of context. So far, not one shred of anything actually having been distorted as to meaning has surfaced. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Blue Moon on April 15, 2009, 02:21:19 PM Thanks, Jen! I'd like to speak to this notion of taking Kyle's words out of context. I'm a little tired of Kyle trying to have it both ways. Kyle attempted to tie the FBs hands behind their backs with claims of intellectual property, etc. to prevent them from publishing the facts and the opinions he had brought them. When they sought legal advice and found a way around his threats, Kyle claimed "out of context". Kyle and his defenders seem to think that only they were created with the intelligence to discern fact from opinion. I appreciate that Kermit, Jen and the other FBs here didn't feel that way. There was no other trap/cage that Kyle was discussing with the FBs. There were no other searches nor any other evidence he was discussing either. There is no out of context here. We know what Kyle was talking about. We know which quotes were his opinions. Perhaps Kyle's real beef about out of context is that we don't know what is fact and what is a lie, an embellishment, or Kyle's self-important spin. JMO and only MO These defenders are also the same ones who raked us over the coals on our views about CLW also. How did that turn out for them. SILENCE. Not one word on the results of that pond search. Caps really showed them the TRUTH didn't he? They were made a fool of by him (and bought into every word he said). JMO Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 15, 2009, 02:27:33 PM BlueMoon,
You are so right. So Dave sent somebody down to collect the remains as he had been told to do half a dozen times and nada! Has there even been a report or presser from Goldba or anybody on the search of the pond? Surely he and Rhino are home by now? So what's the explanation on that? Same as always, change the subject by bashing the monkeys some more? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 15, 2009, 02:31:02 PM Let me guess.
We all took CapsLockWizard out of context! ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 15, 2009, 02:34:43 PM Here's an interesting comment Kyle let through: Link to Blog post: http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/01/x-persistence.html Link to Comments only: https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6300940444130343140&postID=4708342715333502082 Quote perspicacious said... Kyle, you had posted that your search had nothing to do with thought-print analysis by Andrew Hodges and bizarre theories. On his website you can read where he refutes that completely: http://forensicthoughtprints.com/default.aspx?200819 According to Hodges and he is quite detailed about it, the search is entirely based on his pseudo-science conclusions about the cage from his nonsensical deductions from three Deepak emails, which really told nothing more that the statements he also gave to the police (now published). Typical of the Hodges' logic? That when Deepak speculated that Natalee might have ended up in a crack house that he was referring to a fish trap (crack meaning the slots in a trap and house defining the cage). Hodges gives a time-line which simply doesn't fit with known phone and computer records. That's just sad and sick. Even sadder is that the trip has been funded and guided by this kind of distorted reasoning. I'm sure you can't publish this. You seem to be a nice person, a logical man, but to associate your own credentials with the likes of this without some kind of public distancing is, in my opinion, a mistake. The police said that their investigations revealed that no fish trap was stolen. Hodges in this recent statement says he was able to find one of the fisherman, who told him that the trap wasn't actually stolen in a break-in, but that it was just being stored outside the huts and was just missing. That's not only a major change in the long told rumor (that it was taken in a break-in), but, none of these fisherman ever told this to the police (it's not in any of their statements to the police). Hodges appears to be an opportunist who has now made up new information just to serve his own interests. I honestly, feel sorry that a person of your character has become involved in this grand charade. Hodges is an evil, cruel man to do this to Dave Holloway and all the people involved with your search. January 10, 2008 10:34 AM Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 15, 2009, 02:55:37 PM Thanks, Jen! I'd like to speak to this notion of taking Kyle's words out of context. I'm a little tired of Kyle trying to have it both ways. Kyle attempted to tie the FBs hands behind their backs with claims of intellectual property, etc. to prevent them from publishing the facts and the opinions he had brought them. When they sought legal advice and found a way around his threats, Kyle claimed "out of context". Kyle and his defenders seem to think that only they were created with the intelligence to discern fact from opinion. I appreciate that Kermit, Jen and the other FBs here didn't feel that way. There was no other trap/cage that Kyle was discussing with the FBs. There were no other searches nor any other evidence he was discussing either. There is no out of context here. We know what Kyle was talking about. We know which quotes were his opinions. Perhaps Kyle's real beef about out of context is that we don't know what is fact and what is a lie, an embellishment, or Kyle's self-important spin. JMO and only MO YW LifeSong! And thank YOU for everything you've said and done! I haven't been a member here for very long (nor did I ever read here much) but I am heartened by the intelligence, dedication, resourcefulness and earnestness of the Monkeys. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 15, 2009, 03:01:31 PM Thanks, Jen! I'd like to speak to this notion of taking Kyle's words out of context. I'm a little tired of Kyle trying to have it both ways. Kyle attempted to tie the FBs hands behind their backs with claims of intellectual property, etc. to prevent them from publishing the facts and the opinions he had brought them. When they sought legal advice and found a way around his threats, Kyle claimed "out of context". Kyle and his defenders seem to think that only they were created with the intelligence to discern fact from opinion. I appreciate that Kermit, Jen and the other FBs here didn't feel that way. There was no other trap/cage that Kyle was discussing with the FBs. There were no other searches nor any other evidence he was discussing either. There is no out of context here. We know what Kyle was talking about. We know which quotes were his opinions. Perhaps Kyle's real beef about out of context is that we don't know what is fact and what is a lie, an embellishment, or Kyle's self-important spin. JMO and only MO These defenders are also the same ones who raked us over the coals on our views about CLW also. How did that turn out for them. SILENCE. Not one word on the results of that pond search. Caps really showed them the TRUTH didn't he? They were made a fool of by him (and bought into every word he said). JMO That is because the two issues go hand in hand, IMO. Think about it this way........... If Kyle told the truth about what they found and what happened to it (and I have no reason to doubt that), then where does that leave Caps and his believers? If Natalee was found in that cage - then caps and his witness are both proven to be FOS. For those who are married to this pond/witness fiasco - any other solution is not possible in their minds. For those who were the most vocal in their attempts to smear Kermit - thereby trying to cause folks to doubt the frog's credibility, and therefore casting doubt on what of Kyle's was shared here - they were the most embedded with Caps and his shenanigans. I learned very soon after Kerm first shared information here, that one person who was vehemently protecting and supporting Caps was on the telephone and firing off emails with some of the others who then came out swinging against Kerm. It's disgusting, disturbing, pathetic and tiresome. But at the end of the day - it is merely tragically sad. ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 15, 2009, 03:02:25 PM BlueMoon, You are so right. So Dave sent somebody down to collect the remains as he had been told to do half a dozen times and nada! Has there even been a report or presser from Goldba or anybody on the search of the pond? Surely he and Rhino are home by now? So what's the explanation on that? Same as always, change the subject by bashing the monkeys some more? I'm also curious as to the silence about the results of this pond search. Golba and Rhino returned home last week. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 15, 2009, 03:02:54 PM Let me guess. We all took CapsLockWizard out of context! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: We just don't understand Aruba's system. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2009, 03:12:20 PM What is Serge Mansur to Jossy? Nephew? I was looking at his website earlier and read his bio through a translator, but there were so many Mansurs mentioned, I got lost. I had seen the ad on the bottom of the Diario page. www.sergemansur.com Translated page: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sergemansur.com%2Fcategory%2Fnederlands%2F&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/SergeMansur.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 15, 2009, 04:29:23 PM Kyle Kingman states in an email to Jug Twitty and ldstlou that Tim Miller left the Persistence "on his own terms" on the day following the December 30th visual dive. However ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words to the Natalee's Freebirds ... John Silvetti wanted Tim Miller off the Persistence ... he had become a liability.
Considering Tim Miller's suspicions regarding the claims of the Aruban divers that nothing Natalee Holloway case related was found in the trap ... could it be that the Costa Rica tip was a fabricated diversion and ... Tim Miller was under the false impression that he left the Persistence on "his own terms"? Janet ++++++++ TIM MILLER - OWN TERMS ldstlou Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm » The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December ... Kyle Kingman: Tim Miller went to Nicaragua on his own terms and Dateline followed him. Tim was chasing down the Nicaraguan lead. He wasn't removed from the Persistence. http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191 TIM MILLER - A LIABILITY KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS Kyle Kingman: This occurred on Dec 30th when the Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present). After the Dec 30th dive John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee. Although likely true, it was premature and should have been replaced with action- seeing that the evidence was collected and handled properly. I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive. On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it. I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me. After the Jan 7th Dive I got off the boat for R&R from the 9th-14th at the Holiday Inn. Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean". Meanwhile I'm standing on the beach watching the Dutch Coast Guard at the trap site for 42 and 45 minutes respectively over two days (11-12th). When I got back to the Hotel on the 11th and 12th after seeing the coasties out there I told John. He didn't want to hear it and didn't believe it. However, a couple weeks later he told me he looked into it by talking to Richardson who said "...not to worry, the Coast Guard doesn't have dive capabilities". Kyle Kingman: He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2009, 05:23:48 PM 4/15/2009 Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55229.php (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/LIfetime%20Movie/04152009AmigoeLifetimeMovie.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 15, 2009, 05:54:40 PM Kyle Kingman's own words posted on the Scared Monkeys' forum attests that the truth is not being related to the Stepfather of Natalee Holloway. A command of the English language dictates that interpretation is not necessary.
Janet +++++++ KYLE KINGMAN - JUG TWITTY ldstlou Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm » The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December ... Kyle Kingman: I said the FBI did a DNA analysis on the sample they received. They re-interpreted this as having found remains in the trap. http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191 KYLE KINGMAN - SCARED MONKEYS oceanexploration Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 - « Reply #332 on: March 04, 2008, 12:21:17 AM » If you quote me, please include the quote for accuracy. I never said there were no human remains. I woudn't comment to that effect. I have neither confirmed nor denied the issue. The only comment I said was quoting Tim Trahan. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360330#msg360330 oceanexploration Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 - « Reply #709 on: March 18, 2008, 03:11:50 PM » As of the 2nd week of Feb, this is what I had learned from the FBI: The contents of the trap were being actively investigated. The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample. Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366289;topicseen#msg366289 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 15, 2009, 06:00:13 PM 4/15/2009 Amigoe http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55229.php (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/LIfetime%20Movie/04152009AmigoeLifetimeMovie.jpg) Thanks, texasmom. Airing at Midnight in Aruba????? mmmmmmmmmm Since I found our cable provider does not offer LMN, I have been trying to see how I might be able to view the film. I just found comments on the LMN site, that you may know of (saw a texasmom post). Not surprising are all the usual negative comments, including one from C-Rat. ::MonkeyNoNo:: http://community.mylifetime.com/community/lmn/discussions/talk-about-natalee-holloway Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 15, 2009, 06:02:10 PM Thanks, Janet! ::MonkeyCool::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2009, 06:14:56 PM 4/15/2009 Amigoe http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55229.php (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/LIfetime%20Movie/04152009AmigoeLifetimeMovie.jpg) Thanks, texasmom. Airing at Midnight in Aruba????? mmmmmmmmmm Since I found our cable provider does not offer LMN, I have been trying to see how I might be able to view the film. I just found comments on the LMN site, that you may know of (saw a texasmom post). Not surprising are all the usual negative comments, including one from C-Rat. ::MonkeyNoNo:: http://community.mylifetime.com/community/lmn/discussions/talk-about-natalee-holloway You're welcome 2NJ. Yes, I've been there, was there reading last night...and today. Actually started another post last night but was so mad and shaking that I couldn't find my references fast enough so I decided to call it a night instead. It's really sad how that same group attacks every board, their agenda is so obvious. ::MonkeyNoNo:: At the very least, I have been very thankful to see that I'm not the only one who KNOWS WHO THOSE WACKOS ARE! We need to figure out a way for you to see the movie! ::MonkeyWaa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 15, 2009, 06:21:42 PM In his email to Jug Twitty ... Kyle Kingman attempts to backtrack on his own words submitted to the Natalee's Freebirds in regards to John Silvetti's betrayal.
Hey ... Silvetti's objective and focus should have been justice for Natalee Holloway ... closure for her family and ... accountability to those who prayfully and monetarily upheld the Persistence undertaking to bring Natalee Holloway home ... home to American soil. Janet ++++++++ KYLE KINGMAN - JUG TWITTY ldstlou Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm » The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December ... In December of 2008 Kyle wrote to Jug and I that John had remained "objective and focused" during the cage search. http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191 KYLE KINGMAN - NATALEE'S FREEBIRDS KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS Kyle Kingman: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best. Kyle Kingman: I know John went to Aruba solely to find Natalee. He did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion. I can't blame him for that, but he did take too much focus off the trap too soon. He claims to know a lot more than I do. I agree, but knowing more information from someone I don't trust is dangerous in my opinion. I'd rather know less lies. Kyle Kingman: I havn't heard John mention anything about the pipeline project. If it happens, I hope he's able to do the project. It would be great and his company would be in good position to bid on the job. It wasn't his purpose on going to Aruba. ... Well, he's a pretty shrewd businessman and usually thinks at least three steps ahead. We'll see how this plays out. Kyle Kingman: ... I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol. Kyle Kingman: The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present). Kyle Kingman: John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word. Kyle Kingman: I was told to move forward and to forget about the trap. I was told not to show anyone the images. Kyle Kingman: I havn't heard John mention anything about the pipeline project. If it happens, I hope he's able to do the project. It would be great and his company would be in good position to bid on the job. It wasn't his purpose on going to Aruba. ... Well, he's a pretty shrewd businessman and usually thinks at least three steps ahead. We'll see how this plays out. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2009, 06:23:14 PM What is Serge Mansur to Jossy? Nephew? I was looking at his website earlier and read his bio through a translator, but there were so many Mansurs mentioned, I got lost. I had seen the ad on the bottom of the Diario page. www.sergemansur.com Yes, I've noticed the website has been on the front page of Diario also for a while now. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2009, 06:24:39 PM In his email to Jug Twitty ... Kyle Kingman attempts to backtrack on his own words submitted to the Natalee's Freebirds in regards to John Silvetti's betrayal. Hey ... Silvetti's objective and focus should have been justice for Natalee Holloway ... closure for her family and ... accountability to those who prayfully and monetarily upheld the Persistence undertaking to bring Natalee Holloway home ... home to American soil. Janet ++++++++ KYLE KINGMAN - JUG TWITTY ldstlou Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm » The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December ... In December of 2008 Kyle wrote to Jug and I that John had remained "objective and focused" during the cage search. http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191 KYLE KINGMAN - NATALEE'S FREEBIRDS KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS Kyle Kingman: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best. Kyle Kingman: I know John went to Aruba solely to find Natalee. He did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion. I can't blame him for that, but he did take too much focus off the trap too soon. He claims to know a lot more than I do. I agree, but knowing more information from someone I don't trust is dangerous in my opinion. I'd rather know less lies. Kyle Kingman: I havn't heard John mention anything about the pipeline project. If it happens, I hope he's able to do the project. It would be great and his company would be in good position to bid on the job. It wasn't his purpose on going to Aruba. ... Well, he's a pretty shrewd businessman and usually thinks at least three steps ahead. We'll see how this plays out. Kyle Kingman: ... I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol. Kyle Kingman: The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present). Kyle Kingman: John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word. Kyle Kingman: I was told to move forward and to forget about the trap. I was told not to show anyone the images. Kyle Kingman: I havn't heard John mention anything about the pipeline project. If it happens, I hope he's able to do the project. It would be great and his company would be in good position to bid on the job. It wasn't his purpose on going to Aruba. ... Well, he's a pretty shrewd businessman and usually thinks at least three steps ahead. We'll see how this plays out. Thanks Janet! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Blue Moon on April 15, 2009, 06:24:44 PM 4/15/2009 Amigoe http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55229.php (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/LIfetime%20Movie/04152009AmigoeLifetimeMovie.jpg) When will they EVER get the message-----the interest has NEVER ended and WILL NEVER end until they resolve this and return Natalee to her family and country? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2009, 06:29:19 PM 4/15/2009 Amigoe http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55229.php (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/LIfetime%20Movie/04152009AmigoeLifetimeMovie.jpg) When will they EVER get the message-----the interest has NEVER ended and WILL NEVER end until they resolve this and return Natalee to her family and country? AMEN! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 15, 2009, 06:33:10 PM 4/15/2009 Amigoe http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55229.php (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/LIfetime%20Movie/04152009AmigoeLifetimeMovie.jpg) When will they EVER get the message-----the interest has NEVER ended and WILL NEVER end until they resolve this and return Natalee to her family and country? AMEN! ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: I just noticed Joe Taco Pina. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 15, 2009, 06:33:19 PM In his email to Jug Twitty ... Kyle Kingman attempts to backtrack on his own words submitted to the Natalee's Freebirds in regards to John Silvetti's betrayal. Hey ... Silvetti's objective and focus should have been justice for Natalee Holloway ... closure for her family and ... accountability to those who prayfully and monetarily upheld the Persistence undertaking to bring Natalee Holloway home ... home to American soil. Janet ++++++++ KYLE KINGMAN - JUG TWITTY ldstlou Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm » The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December ... In December of 2008 Kyle wrote to Jug and I that John had remained "objective and focused" during the cage search. http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191 KYLE KINGMAN - NATALEE'S FREEBIRDS KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS Kyle Kingman: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best. Kyle Kingman: I know John went to Aruba solely to find Natalee. He did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion. I can't blame him for that, but he did take too much focus off the trap too soon. He claims to know a lot more than I do. I agree, but knowing more information from someone I don't trust is dangerous in my opinion. I'd rather know less lies. Kyle Kingman: I havn't heard John mention anything about the pipeline project. If it happens, I hope he's able to do the project. It would be great and his company would be in good position to bid on the job. It wasn't his purpose on going to Aruba. ... Well, he's a pretty shrewd businessman and usually thinks at least three steps ahead. We'll see how this plays out. Kyle Kingman: ... I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol. Kyle Kingman: The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present). Kyle Kingman: John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word. Kyle Kingman: I was told to move forward and to forget about the trap. I was told not to show anyone the images. Kyle Kingman: I havn't heard John mention anything about the pipeline project. If it happens, I hope he's able to do the project. It would be great and his company would be in good position to bid on the job. It wasn't his purpose on going to Aruba. ... Well, he's a pretty shrewd businessman and usually thinks at least three steps ahead. We'll see how this plays out. Thanks Janet! ::MonkeyCool:: Following is the actually quote that should have formed part of the above post. Janet +++++++ ldstlou Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December Kyle Kingman: John wasn't refusing to give it any credence before inspection on Jan 7th, he was remaining objective and keeping focused. I said John wasn't convinced. He wasn't. He said he wouldn't be convinced unless he heard otherwise from the FBI. http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2009, 06:35:44 PM http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55234.php
Google translation: Retailers Renaissance Marketplace closing doors 15 Apr, 2009, 15:28 (GMT -04:00) Email this article Print this article (http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/15-aruba-winkel-voor.gif) Several shops in Renaissance Marketplace recently closed their doors. At the end of this month is also the shop of businessman / artist René van Nie close. ORANGE CITY - In recent months, several shops in Renaissance Marketplace closed their doors. The latest 'victim' is the store / exhibition space of Rene van Nie. Nonetheless, the store closures are not that bad with the mall, says marketing assistant Zugheila Linde Borgh. Recently several cases have closed their doors, as Figaro barbershop, jewelry store Rage Oro and Sbarro pizzeria. The Sbarro affiliates in the hotel zone and airport, according to reliable sources better run, and then decided on the establishment in the Renaissance Marketplace closing. By April 30, however, wound businessman and artist Rene van Nie fourteen years after his shop and exhibition space at the mall. Van Nie, this addition to a substantial decline of its sales, also due to the policy of the mall. The conclusion of his case means for the artist the end of a business suffering with a partner who is not on the current negative developments in the financial-economic area to play. " Marketing Co-Borgh Linde says: "The bigger stores still see a slight break as the costs and turnover. Some still make profits in these difficult times. That is not the case for smaller and it is a shame to close these shops to see go. But we can not be here if it is not financially feasible for them. We introduce a rental policy based on fixed prices. Since we do not change. We make no deals. " According to her is so good with the shopping center. "We are engaged in a reorganization and renovation of the mall. If the work completed, the acquisition gives it a whole new look, with shops and restaurants aimed at the local population. " The shopping center is in a change in its phase, just as the Renaissance Mall on the other side last year. That was a so-called high end mall changed with expensive brand shops focused on the (foreign) copper with a thick fair. "But the concept of the Renaissance Marketplace is different," explains Linde Borgh off. "It focuses on a different kind visitor, especially so the Aruban. That can about six months, a refurbished shopping center expect on the outside of restaurants and restaurants with terraces, and inside the various shops and business that do not compete. " The first phase of work on the side of the Marina, are almost completed. On the corner where The Villa was formerly restaurant is Taste of Belgium and also running a case where Sbarro Saturday is Starbucks coffee case. The popular items such as the Plaza Cafe, fast food restaurant Taco Bell and Subway sandwich shop continue, if known, where they are, says Linde Borgh. "We are now in negotiations with Subway to see if they want to expand. We have noticed that every day during lunch outside on the square a long row of people waiting, and perhaps interesting for Subway to make more space for its customers. " The marketing manager states that there are many houses are empty because the tenants have decided to terminate their contract and their case to conclude: "We have decided that they will not hire for the renovation work easier." Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 15, 2009, 06:35:51 PM 4/15/2009 Amigoe http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55229.php (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/LIfetime%20Movie/04152009AmigoeLifetimeMovie.jpg) When will they EVER get the message-----the interest has NEVER ended and WILL NEVER end until they resolve this and return Natalee to her family and country? ::MonkeyNoNo:: Thanks Texasmom and Blue Moon. Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 15, 2009, 06:38:06 PM Sorry, but I still get :gaah: when I think of those contacting family and others. It's not something I would or could do.....guess I'll never understand it. ::MonkeyNoNo::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 15, 2009, 06:46:49 PM Thanks, Janet! ::MonkeyCool:: You are welcome 2NJSons_Mom. Unless Jug Twitty has been made aware of ALL of Kyle Kingman's own words submitted to the Natalee's Freebirds ... he is in the dark in regards to the John Silvetti betrayal ... the John Silvetti betrayal that may have prevented his stepdaughter to be brought home to rest on American soil. . ::MonkeyNoNo:: Janet +++++++ 'Scarborough Country' for July 14 updated 8:45 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 15, 2005 JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER: Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/ 'The Abrams Report' for July 1 updated 7:47 a.m. PT, Wed., July. 6, 2005 BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee. Natalee deserves to return to her country. She deserves it, and everyone knows it, Martin, every single person. Every single person knows that. They know it. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/ Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2009, 06:47:45 PM http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55233.php
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4/15/2009 Amigoe Google translation: ::MonkeyNoNo:: (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%206%200409/04152009Amigoe_3.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Blue Moon on April 15, 2009, 07:18:27 PM 4/15/2009 Amigoe http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55229.php (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/LIfetime%20Movie/04152009AmigoeLifetimeMovie.jpg) When will they EVER get the message-----the interest has NEVER ended and WILL NEVER end until they resolve this and return Natalee to her family and country? AMEN! ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: I just noticed Joe Taco Pina. I noticed that also, my first thought is "They have read here in the past and found what we have referred to him as". Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 15, 2009, 07:38:05 PM In his email to Jug Twitty ... Kyle Kingman attempts to backtrack on his own words submitted to the Natalee's Freebirds in regards to John Silvetti's betrayal. Hey ... Silvetti's objective and focus should have been justice for Natalee Holloway ... closure for her family and ... accountability to those who prayfully and monetarily upheld the Persistence undertaking to bring Natalee Holloway home ... home to American soil. Janet ++++++++ KYLE KINGMAN - JUG TWITTY ldstlou Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm » The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December ... In December of 2008 Kyle wrote to Jug and I that John had remained "objective and focused" during the cage search. http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191 KYLE KINGMAN - NATALEE'S FREEBIRDS KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS Kyle Kingman: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best. Kyle Kingman: I know John went to Aruba solely to find Natalee. He did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion. I can't blame him for that, but he did take too much focus off the trap too soon. He claims to know a lot more than I do. I agree, but knowing more information from someone I don't trust is dangerous in my opinion. I'd rather know less lies. Kyle Kingman: I havn't heard John mention anything about the pipeline project. If it happens, I hope he's able to do the project. It would be great and his company would be in good position to bid on the job. It wasn't his purpose on going to Aruba. ... Well, he's a pretty shrewd businessman and usually thinks at least three steps ahead. We'll see how this plays out. Kyle Kingman: ... I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol. Kyle Kingman: The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present). Kyle Kingman: John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word. Kyle Kingman: I was told to move forward and to forget about the trap. I was told not to show anyone the images. Kyle Kingman: I havn't heard John mention anything about the pipeline project. If it happens, I hope he's able to do the project. It would be great and his company would be in good position to bid on the job. It wasn't his purpose on going to Aruba. ... Well, he's a pretty shrewd businessman and usually thinks at least three steps ahead. We'll see how this plays out. LOGIC DICTATES ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Nut44x4 on April 15, 2009, 07:40:58 PM ::MonkeyLaugh:: BBBWwwaaaaaaaaaaaaa! LMAO..... Taco Pina lol ... I know I am slow, but I had this typed out a half hour ago and then the phone rang before I got to post it
::MonkeyTongue:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Blue Moon on April 15, 2009, 07:42:23 PM ::MonkeyLaugh:: BBBWwwaaaaaaaaaaaaa! LMAO..... Taco Pina lol Me too. ::MonkeyHaHa:: TM, where is our little laughing girl? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2009, 07:45:03 PM (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2009, 07:46:52 PM Seems like if they know what we call ole Joe, they'd know what we call Julia too. ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Blue Moon on April 15, 2009, 07:49:08 PM (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif) Thanks. This always makes me smile (times x 4). Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Blue Moon on April 15, 2009, 07:50:21 PM (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif) Thanks. This always makes me smile (times x 4). Whoops! (times x5) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2009, 07:55:12 PM (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif) Thanks. This always makes me smile (times x 4). Whoops! (times x5) Me too! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 15, 2009, 07:55:40 PM (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif) ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 15, 2009, 07:59:33 PM Here are a few interesting comments to Kyle's Persistence blog. These are from the link to Kyle's blogs posted 12/19/07 - 12/28/07. As I understand it, Kyle did filter comments so he let these through... Link to Blog Post: http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/12/viii-day-1-side-scan-sonar-search.html Link to Comments only: https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6300940444130343140&postID=8338291030553571916 Quote Anonymous said... I guess van der Sloots attorneys filed to disallow any of your findings in a court of law due to the fact that you are a private search party for the Holloways and evidence may be planted. If you are fortunate to find her, will you have one of the Dutch officials on board Persistence before anything is raised from the ocean? Good luck with your search for Natalee. Americans are watching now more than ever after the news of Aruba closing the case. December 19, 2007 10:19 AM Miss-Underestimated said... Who will "own" any evidence in your search? Will interpool be involved? God Bless all of you for your dedication to finding Natalee Holloway. Beth and Dave, stay strong, we are all behind you. December 19, 2007 2:45 PM Anonymous said... If Natalee is found will she initially be brought to Aruba? It seems most likely that they will let any evidence deteriorate and decline to properly process the evidence. It seems rather clear that the Aruban Judiciary is uninterested in actually resolving the case. Is it possible to return Natalie immediately to the USA (bypassing Aruba) for forensic analysis by the FBI? December 20, 2007 3:56 PM -Rolls said... Excellent Kyle, thanks; the image of the anchor and chain gives a very good idea of the possible resolution. Also, please don't forget the folk who designed and constructed these great tools you are using. Calm seas and fair winds, -Rolls December 22, 2007 12:07 AM Anonymous said... I heard a news report that, in your sample testing, your crew placed a crab trap similar to the one widely believed to be used to dispose of Natalee to conduct tests. What a brilliant move. If true, this should train your eye to see the real thing, if she is down there. How did those pre-search tests go? Under the conditions where you able to visualize the sample crab trap? December 23, 2007 2:37 AM -Rolls said... "This test provided valuable information, both confirming that the construction materials alone can be detected and what kind of signatures to expect from the materials when on the seabed." May we see some representative sonar images posted? TIA. -Rolls December 24, 2007 12:50 AM Was there a news report about a sample cage? I know Dr. Hodges wrote about the sample cage on his website as having been done in December, but the writing was done in January, iirc. I don't remember one, 2NJ, that's what caught my eye about it... Haven't had a chance to research it though. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2009, 08:06:09 PM Now Dan & Kelly are posting at the Lifetime discussion! ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: http://community.mylifetime.com/community/lmn/discussions/talk-about-natalee-holloway Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 15, 2009, 08:30:29 PM So I wonder how those who are saying we took Kyle's words out of context - and who are believing the lies he apparently told them after the fact - are now reconciling with themselves Kyle's own words to SM two years ago? He very clearly states there were human remains found in that cage. He also very clearly states that the FBI said there were human remains found in that cage. Now here's the question......... WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE REMAINS? Richardson told Kyle the ENTIRETY of the cage contents were sent to the FBI. FBI told Kyle that SOME of the contents went to Holland for testing, and FBI received the rest. Obviously Kyle is stating the FBI knew there were human remains. Obviously what the FBI tested contained NOTHING that could prove this. WHO told the FBI there were human remains collected from that cage? What did Holland do with the human remains they were sent (obviously the FBI did not receive them)? Or did those remains even get sent to Holland? ::MonkeyEek:: I don't think I knew that...right? I could have sworn that got posted here before............... But here it is (in context for the naysayers) This was the day after Kyle joined our forum and shared his initial information with us. This will also show some of the discussion about keeping this info (at that time) under wraps in case there was really an honest investigation ongoing about what was found. I left out posts from other Freebirds who participated in this dialogue. Note - the information of Kyle having sent screen shots to the FBI is what we later learned to have been a lie, and also note - that was Kyle's ONLY attempt (that we were told about) of having "sent this information to the FBI". March 19, 2008 post from ME to Kyle: I find it very curious that Mos and/or Richardson didn't take statements from everyone on board. (the Persistence) kyle wrote: Why? If I were Mos I would have done the following: - Once the Persistence finds the trap, convince them it's nothing significant This would calm media pressure and keep the Persistence searching while the investigation continues. No statements needed because this lets the team know it was case significant and of elevated interest. - While the search continues offshore unabated, process the trap site by a Dutch forensic team and continue getting the investigation buttoned up - While the forensic results are being processed, keep the search going as a smoke screen. With the Persistence puppet in play, everyone involved is relatively calm knowing that as long as we're searching, nothing significant is found. - Buy as much time as they can using the confession tape to encourage the Persistence to remain searching - Dateline opens up a can of worms by showing the public (and the perps) the trap, but claims it was of no interest - Put out a statement claiming no evidenciary value in the samples. - Continue investigation without media pressure or public outcry. - Once the investigation is complete, get all the authorities in play ready to arrest the whole lot simultaneously. - Arrest everyone involved then announce the full results. Kyle wrote: After studying the images, go back to the press release from Hans Mos regarding the trap and ask yourself these questions: -Does this statement really say anything at all? -Does the official FBI report say anything at all (verbatim to Mos's release)? - If the fabric was clearly a blue denim-like fabric (a skirt perhaps) why was the sample compared to Natalee's blouse? - Did the FBI receive this blue fabric or another fabric? - If it was another fabric, was it a fabric sampled from the trap? - Why would the FBI make a statement as they did on the heels of the Dateline special? The answers to these questions moves this case into three possible directions: 1) The case is currently under investigation and moving towards justice for Natalee. A lot of people will go to prison, but it may take months to complete the investigation from the beginning, including the coverup and investigation. judges...etc. 2) The case is currently being professionally covered up and the key evidence is shelved, or destroyed. 3) We have not yet found Natalee and what we found is someone else - but no interest is being demonstrated at finding out who it is. In my opinion the chances of either above scenario are equally split three ways. I wrote: Kyle, Can you give us names of Aruban officials present on the Jan 7th dive? Can you also tell us - were Persistence divers wanting to dive on Jan 7th? Were they prevented from doing so by Aruban officials? Were there any Aruban officials onboard the Persistence during the dive on Jan 7th? Or were they all on their own boat? Has Aruba asked you for the ROV footage from that dive? Kyle wrote: I don't have the names of the Aruban divers from the Jan 7th dive, but we should have a record of it. I know two of them, but forget their names. John will know the third diver's name if necessary. I don't recall who all was there on the 7th. The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat. I wrote: Just from having followed criminal cases before- I would think that for prosecutorial value, Mos would have needed statements from the crew. Mos had no way of knowing as of Dec 29, 30th or even by Jan 7th whether what you found was, or was not Natalee. For any evidence to be admissable in court - I would think very detailed statements from you all would be necessary. Also - if he were looking to bring down the whole corrupt "house of cards", he would need information from you all as to what you filmed of the recovery dive by his divers.....................I would think. Kyle wrote: I don't know how this should be handled. - I think the underwater pictures taken by the divers of the samples from the trap would be very useful. - We tried repeatedly for weeks unsecessfully to get an inventory from the FBI. Right before the Dateline special aired we got word (after pressure from C. Rice's office) from the FBI that they were testing the samples, and that HALF the samples were send to the NFI. This contradicted Richardson who said he sent everything to the FBI. - It would be useful knowing exactly what the FBI tested. - I send the FBI screen shots of the Jan 7th dive and blue fabric with a note asking if they can verify what was sampled versus the fabric pictured. I did not get a response. This was several weeks ago. I wrote: Kyle, I agree with each of the three scenarios being equally possible at this point in time. I think the only way anyone could possibly know for sure - is if Beth were to contact the FBI and find out what, exactly, they received from Richardson. One other way it could be possible - is to have John Kelly meet with Mos and go over the Aruban case file as it pertains to your find - pictures, officer reports, chain of custody logs, etc. I think Mos telling Richardson in late January that he (Richardson) could no longer receive evidence/information is very telling............and might indicate that Mos does not trust Richardson - and that may have everything to do with what was recovered from your find. That could indicate an intense investigation going on, which would include bringing down many of the corrupt officials as they can. The only thing that makes me possibly discount that scenario - is that statements were not taken from you guys after Dec 29th. To quote Tamikosmom, quoting Beth..."Greta this is huge!" ::MonkeyWink:: Jen, Janet, and Kermit - Now I understand how/why you guys could see more truth in some of these comments than I could... Wow. This just gets more and more bizarre, imo. dental records on real time match said... The ROV real time remote satellite networking software has the military strength and powerful query database. The forensics labs staff in US and Holland are working together to analyse the ROV video feed streams. They can match the patterns of the crab cages with the part numbers stored in the database, and determine the origins of these crab cages, and how they had been sitting on the deep ocean floor. For certainty, Kyle and Tim will find Natalee, maybe Amy Bradley as well. Those two American women got vanished from the CnC lady drinks bar. Their dental records are on real time query to identify the remains. December 29, 2007 12:07:00 PM EST https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=19199597&postID=5767307859974282555&isPopup=true bring natalee home directly said... When both sides of the Dutch and US forensics experts come to agreement, the Persistence crew can bring the crab cage up from the ocean bottom. FBI will cerify and package the forensic evidences. The navy plane will carry Natalee's remains directly to Mountain Brooks, Alabama. December 29, 2007 12:41:00 PM EST https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=19199597&postID=5767307859974282555&isPopup=true glenda said... NFI and FBI divided up the crab trap cages for forensics identifications. If the DNA indicators show male positive, the associated cages go to NFI in Holland. The rest of the crab cages will be tested by FBI in Virginia. So far, over a hundred crab cages have been recovered by the Persistence after so many search trips. Aruba is very upset. January 8, 2008 9:48:00 AM EST http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2008/01/like-plague.html The Dutch government is very angry with Aruba said... KLPD strongly suspected ALE had helped the disposal of Natalee Holloway's body. Based on that tip, the Persistence is looking for the blue barrel in much deeper waters. ALE might have used their police helicoptor to commit that crime. Natalee's corpse was dismenbered and dumped twice during the nights to avoid suspicions and sightings. The crab cage had been found sometime ago in shallow waters. However, the Dutch forensics lab in Hague found cut marks on the bone and joint. The remains is incomplete and slaughtered. The Dutch government is very angry with Aruba. January 17, 2008 4:55:00 AM EST http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2008/01/today-on-oprah-beth-and-matt-holloway.html Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 15, 2009, 08:35:18 PM In Kyle Kingman's email to Kermit ... the underlying threat of legal action is implied and ... understood perfectly. However ... the threat is denied by Kyle in his email to Jug Twitty.
Janet +++++++++ KYLE KINGMAN - JUG TWITTY ldstlou Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm » The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December Kyle Kingman: I didn't threaten any of them. I said that I personally didn't want to get sued for breaking a confidentiality agreement with information ending up on the Internet. Them pushing it all out put me at risk legally and jeopardized my relationship with John (which is now destroyed over this). Also, this information did not belong posted on the Internet in the first place. It was a huge naive misjudgement on my part to trust this group enough to share it in confidence. http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191 KYLE KINGMAN - EMAIL TO KERMIT Kermit Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 - « Reply #540 on: December 19, 2008, 06:15:18 PM » Kyle sent me this today[/b] Kermit, You and the others agreed to a statement of confidentiality and nondisclosure at FB. Before I posted any information, I posted a copyright notice at the very start which disallowed ANY and ALL of my posts, intellectual property, or pictures to leave the spot they were posted. Everyone, including yourself, acknowledged this affirmatively. A lawyer said that ownership of that posted material cannot be transferred by a general claim of copyright such as a claim made on the front page of a website, or even by verbal consent. Written agreement, meaning a signed agreement, is required for the post to be owned by the site owner. Without a signed agreement, the poster owns the post. I did not give you permission, which I have stated many times when you were in violation. While the rest agreed, you violated this legal agreement repeatedly. You have taken many of my posts, snipped what you wanted to put them into your context, and then shared them in a public forum. The "public domain" notion only applies where someone has copyright ownership over the work in the first case and that ownership has lapsed. In that case, all posts can be freely reproduced by anyone, anywhere, without violating copyright law. However, this is clearly not the case. I will state this with absolute clarity so there is no misunderstanding: I have confirmed with the FBI on multiple instances that they have had possession of the ROV videos since very early on. I personally didn't send the ROV footage to them because another project lead had already at the first opportunity while we were still in Aruba. I sent all of the ROV screen shots directly to the FBI the day they were acquired. I also got confirmation back in February by Tim Trahan who was in constant contact with Beth during the search that she indeed had all the information including the statements and has seen the ROV videos. I personally confirmed all of this with the senior FBI agent in charge of the investigation as well as given him my personal account of all that I witnessed and knew. They have this on record. Birmingham is not the office in charge. The information you have been spreading is not only inaccurate and a violation of a non-disclosure, it is slanderous and spreading misinformation. The damage it has done to my professional relationship with J. Silvetti is incalculable which has a direct effect on my ability to provide for my family, which includes my daughter named after Natalee. I have neither publicly responded to your provocative antics, or retaliated with personal attacks in response to yours. I also have never threatened you as you publicly claimed. I recently asked the senior FBI agent in charge how I should handle this situation which you have incited. I thought his response was terrific. He replied: "Just sit back and keep quiet. Kermit doesn't matter". So this is exactly what I've done. I wrote this letter to you as a gesture of courtesy in hopes it would save you from further embarrassment from those who actually know something about this case. I'm not referring to myself, rather the family and lead investigators who are out legitimately investigating this case in pursuit of justice right to the top. Sincerely, Kyle http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4246.msg592482;topicseen#msg592482 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 15, 2009, 08:38:46 PM I could have sworn that got posted here before............... But here it is (in context for the naysayers) This was the day after Kyle joined our forum and shared his initial information with us. This will also show some of the discussion about keeping this info (at that time) under wraps in case there was really an honest investigation ongoing about what was found. I left out posts from other Freebirds who participated in this dialogue. Note - the information of Kyle having sent screen shots to the FBI is what we later learned to have been a lie, and also note - that was Kyle's ONLY attempt (that we were told about) of having "sent this information to the FBI". March 19, 2008 post from ME to Kyle: I find it very curious that Mos and/or Richardson didn't take statements from everyone on board. (the Persistence) kyle wrote: Why? If I were Mos I would have done the following: - Once the Persistence finds the trap, convince them it's nothing significant This would calm media pressure and keep the Persistence searching while the investigation continues. No statements needed because this lets the team know it was case significant and of elevated interest. - While the search continues offshore unabated, process the trap site by a Dutch forensic team and continue getting the investigation buttoned up - While the forensic results are being processed, keep the search going as a smoke screen. With the Persistence puppet in play, everyone involved is relatively calm knowing that as long as we're searching, nothing significant is found. - Buy as much time as they can using the confession tape to encourage the Persistence to remain searching - Dateline opens up a can of worms by showing the public (and the perps) the trap, but claims it was of no interest - Put out a statement claiming no evidenciary value in the samples. - Continue investigation without media pressure or public outcry. - Once the investigation is complete, get all the authorities in play ready to arrest the whole lot simultaneously. - Arrest everyone involved then announce the full results. Kyle wrote: After studying the images, go back to the press release from Hans Mos regarding the trap and ask yourself these questions: -Does this statement really say anything at all? -Does the official FBI report say anything at all (verbatim to Mos's release)? - If the fabric was clearly a blue denim-like fabric (a skirt perhaps) why was the sample compared to Natalee's blouse? - Did the FBI receive this blue fabric or another fabric? - If it was another fabric, was it a fabric sampled from the trap? - Why would the FBI make a statement as they did on the heels of the Dateline special? The answers to these questions moves this case into three possible directions: 1) The case is currently under investigation and moving towards justice for Natalee. A lot of people will go to prison, but it may take months to complete the investigation from the beginning, including the coverup and investigation. judges...etc. 2) The case is currently being professionally covered up and the key evidence is shelved, or destroyed. 3) We have not yet found Natalee and what we found is someone else - but no interest is being demonstrated at finding out who it is. In my opinion the chances of either above scenario are equally split three ways. I wrote: Kyle, Can you give us names of Aruban officials present on the Jan 7th dive? Can you also tell us - were Persistence divers wanting to dive on Jan 7th? Were they prevented from doing so by Aruban officials? Were there any Aruban officials onboard the Persistence during the dive on Jan 7th? Or were they all on their own boat? Has Aruba asked you for the ROV footage from that dive? Kyle wrote: I don't have the names of the Aruban divers from the Jan 7th dive, but we should have a record of it. I know two of them, but forget their names. John will know the third diver's name if necessary. I don't recall who all was there on the 7th. The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat. I wrote: Just from having followed criminal cases before- I would think that for prosecutorial value, Mos would have needed statements from the crew. Mos had no way of knowing as of Dec 29, 30th or even by Jan 7th whether what you found was, or was not Natalee. For any evidence to be admissable in court - I would think very detailed statements from you all would be necessary. Also - if he were looking to bring down the whole corrupt "house of cards", he would need information from you all as to what you filmed of the recovery dive by his divers.....................I would think. Kyle wrote: I don't know how this should be handled. - I think the underwater pictures taken by the divers of the samples from the trap would be very useful. - We tried repeatedly for weeks unsecessfully to get an inventory from the FBI. Right before the Dateline special aired we got word (after pressure from C. Rice's office) from the FBI that they were testing the samples, and that HALF the samples were send to the NFI. This contradicted Richardson who said he sent everything to the FBI. - It would be useful knowing exactly what the FBI tested. - I send the FBI screen shots of the Jan 7th dive and blue fabric with a note asking if they can verify what was sampled versus the fabric pictured. I did not get a response. This was several weeks ago. I wrote: Kyle, I agree with each of the three scenarios being equally possible at this point in time. I think the only way anyone could possibly know for sure - is if Beth were to contact the FBI and find out what, exactly, they received from Richardson. One other way it could be possible - is to have John Kelly meet with Mos and go over the Aruban case file as it pertains to your find - pictures, officer reports, chain of custody logs, etc. I think Mos telling Richardson in late January that he (Richardson) could no longer receive evidence/information is very telling............and might indicate that Mos does not trust Richardson - and that may have everything to do with what was recovered from your find. That could indicate an intense investigation going on, which would include bringing down many of the corrupt officials as they can. The only thing that makes me possibly discount that scenario - is that statements were not taken from you guys after Dec 29th. That's a little newsmaker there too! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 15, 2009, 08:47:07 PM Seems like if they know what we call ole Joe, they'd know what we call Julia too. ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Blue Moon on April 15, 2009, 08:47:35 PM Now Dan & Kelly are posting at the Lifetime discussion! ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: http://community.mylifetime.com/community/lmn/discussions/talk-about-natalee-holloway I just looked for LMN on our cable and I don't get it. ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 15, 2009, 08:51:36 PM I could have sworn that got posted here before............... But here it is (in context for the naysayers) This was the day after Kyle joined our forum and shared his initial information with us. This will also show some of the discussion about keeping this info (at that time) under wraps in case there was really an honest investigation ongoing about what was found. I left out posts from other Freebirds who participated in this dialogue. Note - the information of Kyle having sent screen shots to the FBI is what we later learned to have been a lie, and also note - that was Kyle's ONLY attempt (that we were told about) of having "sent this information to the FBI". March 19, 2008 post from ME to Kyle: I find it very curious that Mos and/or Richardson didn't take statements from everyone on board. (the Persistence) kyle wrote: Why? If I were Mos I would have done the following: - Once the Persistence finds the trap, convince them it's nothing significant This would calm media pressure and keep the Persistence searching while the investigation continues. No statements needed because this lets the team know it was case significant and of elevated interest. - While the search continues offshore unabated, process the trap site by a Dutch forensic team and continue getting the investigation buttoned up - While the forensic results are being processed, keep the search going as a smoke screen. With the Persistence puppet in play, everyone involved is relatively calm knowing that as long as we're searching, nothing significant is found. - Buy as much time as they can using the confession tape to encourage the Persistence to remain searching - Dateline opens up a can of worms by showing the public (and the perps) the trap, but claims it was of no interest - Put out a statement claiming no evidenciary value in the samples. - Continue investigation without media pressure or public outcry. - Once the investigation is complete, get all the authorities in play ready to arrest the whole lot simultaneously. - Arrest everyone involved then announce the full results. Kyle wrote: After studying the images, go back to the press release from Hans Mos regarding the trap and ask yourself these questions: -Does this statement really say anything at all? -Does the official FBI report say anything at all (verbatim to Mos's release)? - If the fabric was clearly a blue denim-like fabric (a skirt perhaps) why was the sample compared to Natalee's blouse? - Did the FBI receive this blue fabric or another fabric? - If it was another fabric, was it a fabric sampled from the trap? - Why would the FBI make a statement as they did on the heels of the Dateline special? The answers to these questions moves this case into three possible directions: 1) The case is currently under investigation and moving towards justice for Natalee. A lot of people will go to prison, but it may take months to complete the investigation from the beginning, including the coverup and investigation. judges...etc. 2) The case is currently being professionally covered up and the key evidence is shelved, or destroyed. 3) We have not yet found Natalee and what we found is someone else - but no interest is being demonstrated at finding out who it is. In my opinion the chances of either above scenario are equally split three ways. I wrote: Kyle, Can you give us names of Aruban officials present on the Jan 7th dive? Can you also tell us - were Persistence divers wanting to dive on Jan 7th? Were they prevented from doing so by Aruban officials? Were there any Aruban officials onboard the Persistence during the dive on Jan 7th? Or were they all on their own boat? Has Aruba asked you for the ROV footage from that dive? Kyle wrote: I don't have the names of the Aruban divers from the Jan 7th dive, but we should have a record of it. I know two of them, but forget their names. John will know the third diver's name if necessary. I don't recall who all was there on the 7th. The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat. I wrote: Just from having followed criminal cases before- I would think that for prosecutorial value, Mos would have needed statements from the crew. Mos had no way of knowing as of Dec 29, 30th or even by Jan 7th whether what you found was, or was not Natalee. For any evidence to be admissable in court - I would think very detailed statements from you all would be necessary. Also - if he were looking to bring down the whole corrupt "house of cards", he would need information from you all as to what you filmed of the recovery dive by his divers.....................I would think. Kyle wrote: I don't know how this should be handled. - I think the underwater pictures taken by the divers of the samples from the trap would be very useful. - We tried repeatedly for weeks unsecessfully to get an inventory from the FBI. Right before the Dateline special aired we got word (after pressure from C. Rice's office) from the FBI that they were testing the samples, and that HALF the samples were send to the NFI. This contradicted Richardson who said he sent everything to the FBI. - It would be useful knowing exactly what the FBI tested. - I send the FBI screen shots of the Jan 7th dive and blue fabric with a note asking if they can verify what was sampled versus the fabric pictured. I did not get a response. This was several weeks ago. I wrote: Kyle, I agree with each of the three scenarios being equally possible at this point in time. I think the only way anyone could possibly know for sure - is if Beth were to contact the FBI and find out what, exactly, they received from Richardson. One other way it could be possible - is to have John Kelly meet with Mos and go over the Aruban case file as it pertains to your find - pictures, officer reports, chain of custody logs, etc. I think Mos telling Richardson in late January that he (Richardson) could no longer receive evidence/information is very telling............and might indicate that Mos does not trust Richardson - and that may have everything to do with what was recovered from your find. That could indicate an intense investigation going on, which would include bringing down many of the corrupt officials as they can. The only thing that makes me possibly discount that scenario - is that statements were not taken from you guys after Dec 29th. That's a little newsmaker there too! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 15, 2009, 08:53:47 PM Now Dan & Kelly are posting at the Lifetime discussion! ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: http://community.mylifetime.com/community/lmn/discussions/talk-about-natalee-holloway I just looked for LMN on our cable and I don't get it. ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 15, 2009, 09:02:08 PM Now Dan & Kelly are posting at the Lifetime discussion! ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: http://community.mylifetime.com/community/lmn/discussions/talk-about-natalee-holloway The Aruban Justice Minister ... gave credit to the vile accusations spewed forth by the two psychics against the mother and stepfather of Natalee Holloway when it was implied that Young and Castillo's accusations should be investigated. Janet +++++++++++++ REMINDER: Amigoe January 17, 2008 Natalee abused by stepfather Jug This time, the local media has paid plenty of attention to the story of Dan Young and Kelly Castillo. ORANJESTAD — Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) of Justice is of the opinion that the findings of the two American investigators Daniel Young and Kelly Castillo in the disappearance case of Natalee Holloway, must be seriously considered. The two assert that Natalee’s stepfather Jug Twitty has abused and impregnated her and that her mother Beth knew about it. The two also say that Natalee had died from an overdose two weeks after the night on the beach with Joran van der Sloot when she disappeared. “Joran is innocent”, said the investigators. <snipped> Croes is of the opinion that now that the case against the suspects Joran and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe has brought no results, the Public Prosecution must also consider other scenarios. Castillo and Young’s findings must therefore be seriously investigated, said the minister. “After Beth has been in Oprah’s program, it will be good to tell the other side of the story.” Oprah Winfrey has spent some time on the Holiday-matter in her show yesterday. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2527.msg329756#msg329756 http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_38773.php Jossy Mansur January 18, 2008 I am aware of the two "spiritualists" trying to get some publicity. As far as we can tell, they seem to be men who claim to have contacts with the dead, and who hold dialogues with the nether regions. None of the stories they put out measure up to the truth, and their assessments of Natalee and Beth is way off course and totally false. They were brought to Aruba by a member of this government, and we all know what that means! As far as we are concerned. it's just an act put on by two "spiritualists" that claim to belong to "the Guiding Light", whatever that is or means. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2527.msg329921#msg329921 Kelly Castillo and Daniel Young Bon Dia Aruba April 10, 2006 "There is also a tape of Natalee and a guy named Michael at the Windam Hotel buying a necklace and having an argument day's, maybe weeks, after she had allegedly gone missing. All the while the country is spending money searching for her. The guy named Michael on the video tape, was a bouncer and Carlos and Charlies. He was tortured, murdered, and his body burnt the week of April 3rd while we were in Aruba. That story did not come to America either. We also know that Natalee called Beth about fifteen day's after her being "missing" from Michael's cell phone telling Beth again to go home, and that Natalee was not going with her." http://www.scrux.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=386 Dan Young insists: Jug Twitty is the father of the baby that Natalee was carrying DIARIO Aruba 01/17/2008 ORANJESTAD(AAN): A press conference took place Wednesday morning related to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The press conference was given by two Americans, Dan Young and Kelly Castillo, who work in the spiritual world [mediums]. During an encounter of the press with the two people who work in the spiritual world, which surrounded the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, the press asked Dan Young and Kelly Castillo what really happened to the American youngster. According to Young, the week of her disappearance, Natalee worked out a plan because she knew that her mom and dad were coming to Aruba. Young continued to say that at a certain time in 2006, they brought police to a place without using a map. When police observed something remarkable, their mouths dropped and one of the police agents D.J. said that he would send agents with special dogs early the following morning, but this never happened. Young also said that he has the names of various people who were with Natalee and the names of the different streets where she was. He said that Natalee suffered an overdose in the hands of other people who are not Joran, Satish or Deepak. According to Young, if this was not true, he would not know all the names and details. Young explained that he understands everything about this case, because when he was younger, he also ran away from home. According to Young, it’s true that Joran left Natalee at the beach, but afterwards other people came across Natalee and befriended her. They helped her hide in the San Nicolas area. According to Young, it is practically impossible to think that a 17 year old boy such as Joran could be so good to cause an international mystery, after which he passed his exams easily. Young said that when by coincidence he met Paul and Anita van der Sloot, he put his hand on Paul’s chest and said: “I know that your son didn’t do anything” and Paul and Anita started to cry. Press asks Young of how Beth lied. According to Young, she lied to hide what really was happening in their family back home. It was not the first time Natalee ran away from home [according to Young]. Joran himself said that Natalee said that her mom was like “Hitler”. Young asked himself of how no one interrogated adequately the kids who were with Natalee in Aruba, nor the pilot of the private jet that brought Beth to Aruba. Beth wants to put the attention on Joran and on an island that supposedly didn’t do enough, to distract the attention from herself and the situation in her home. Beth believed that Anita and Paul van der Sloot at first also were helping to hide Natalee. Young continued to say that there’s a female person of high position who is no longer in Aruba who has much more information on this matter. She is in the U.S. and knew for sure that Natalee was alive. This case became a big “cover up”. Young also said that Beth and Jug were very afraid of the truth coming out. Young dared Jug and Beth to prove him wrong. According to Young, he is willing to put his reputation and career on the like. Young said that Beth and especially Jug are in fear that the truth comes out because he [Jug] is the father of the baby that Natalee was carrying. DIARIO asked Young the names of any of the people who knew the truth of Natalee’s disappearance and he mentioned Marian Ann Smith and someone name Minard. Young also showed to the press the immigration document that clearly showed that Beth arrived in Aruba at 7:45 at night and not 11:00 as Beth has said. DIARIO asked Young and Castillo some of the names of the local people who know about this case and Young said that one of them is locked up in KIA and that he spoke with Dolphi Richardson about this and also other authorities. DIARIO asked Young how he believed that those who were with Natalee did not come forward with her to claim the reward money. Young explained that because people had seen what happened to Joran, Deepak and Satish and the fact that the young woman died of an overdose at a certain point, was sufficient reason for them not to come forward. Despite everything that was brought up by Young and Castillo, DIARIO’s point of view remains unchanged, which is that Joran, Satish and Deepak are those who really know what happened to Natalee Holloway. [translated by Getagrip] Posted by Getagrip http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008/01/dan-young-insists-jug-twitty-is-father.html Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 15, 2009, 09:07:10 PM Now Dan & Kelly are posting at the Lifetime discussion! ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: http://community.mylifetime.com/community/lmn/discussions/talk-about-natalee-holloway I just looked for LMN on our cable and I don't get it. ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: You all were making me nervous, I'd just assumed... just checked though and luckily I do have LMN. I also checked this DVD player and it does have a record button... ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 15, 2009, 09:08:17 PM Now Dan & Kelly are posting at the Lifetime discussion! ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: http://community.mylifetime.com/community/lmn/discussions/talk-about-natalee-holloway I just can't read the stuff at that site. It upsets me too much. ::MonkeyWaa:: The underbelly must be worried about the movie to spend so much time trying to discredit. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 15, 2009, 09:16:45 PM Now Dan & Kelly are posting at the Lifetime discussion! ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: http://community.mylifetime.com/community/lmn/discussions/talk-about-natalee-holloway I just looked for LMN on our cable and I don't get it. ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: Phone around and find a family member, friend or neighbour who does get the channel and ... asked him/her to record the movie or ... better yet ... invite yourself over. Offer to bring dessert. I wrangled an invitation to watch the movie from my youngest son's Dutch American inlaws who live just on the other side of the border. In fact this wonderful couple insisted that we come for dinner and ... FIL is going to also record it for me. I can't wait. I am so excited. ::cartwheel:: Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 15, 2009, 09:21:43 PM Now Dan & Kelly are posting at the Lifetime discussion! ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: http://community.mylifetime.com/community/lmn/discussions/talk-about-natalee-holloway I just can't read the stuff at that site. It upsets me too much. ::MonkeyWaa:: The underbelly must be worried about the movie to spend so much time trying to discredit. I agree, and stopped after posting about it, earlier. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 15, 2009, 09:25:27 PM Now Dan & Kelly are posting at the Lifetime discussion! ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: http://community.mylifetime.com/community/lmn/discussions/talk-about-natalee-holloway I just looked for LMN on our cable and I don't get it. ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: You all were making me nervous, I'd just assumed... just checked though and luckily I do have LMN. I also checked this DVD player and it does have a record button... ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 15, 2009, 09:29:04 PM Now Dan & Kelly are posting at the Lifetime discussion! ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: http://community.mylifetime.com/community/lmn/discussions/talk-about-natalee-holloway I just can't read the stuff at that site. It upsets me too much. ::MonkeyWaa:: The underbelly must be worried about the movie to spend so much time trying to discredit. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 15, 2009, 09:31:07 PM My son hasn't gotten back to me about whether his DirecTV carries LMN. In the meantime, I'm waiting to hear from LMN about how I may view this film.
I thought Lifetime, but then found out LMN.....I honestly don't know what we have, when you can't watch every channel.... cripes.... ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 15, 2009, 10:08:09 PM GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!! GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!! and
It is little laughing girl's bedtime ... Janet 7:10 PM (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)[img] Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2009, 10:09:07 PM I have Direct TV and I just did a check for what channel LMN is on. Here you go, looks like 253. You can go to their website and check for yourself. www.directtv.com
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/LMN.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2009, 10:21:07 PM Now Dan & Kelly are posting at the Lifetime discussion! ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: http://community.mylifetime.com/community/lmn/discussions/talk-about-natalee-holloway I just can't read the stuff at that site. It upsets me too much. ::MonkeyWaa:: The underbelly must be worried about the movie to spend so much time trying to discredit. I know Magnolia, it really upset me too! ::MonkeyWaa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2009, 10:23:52 PM GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!! GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!! and It is little laughing girl's bedtime ... Janet 7:10 PM (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)[img] Good Night Janet! ((((Hugs)))) for you and little laughing girl! ::MonkeyCool:: Thanks for the reminders! ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Buckeye on April 15, 2009, 10:26:16 PM http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55234.php Google translation: Retailers Renaissance Marketplace closing doors 15 Apr, 2009, 15:28 (GMT -04:00) Email this article Print this article (http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/15-aruba-winkel-voor.gif) Several shops in Renaissance Marketplace recently closed their doors. At the end of this month is also the shop of businessman / artist René van Nie close. ORANGE CITY - In recent months, several shops in Renaissance Marketplace closed their doors. The latest 'victim' is the store / exhibition space of Rene van Nie. Nonetheless, the store closures are not that bad with the mall, says marketing assistant Zugheila Linde Borgh. Recently several cases have closed their doors, as Figaro barbershop, jewelry store Rage Oro and Sbarro pizzeria. The Sbarro affiliates in the hotel zone and airport, according to reliable sources better run, and then decided on the establishment in the Renaissance Marketplace closing. By April 30, however, wound businessman and artist Rene van Nie fourteen years after his shop and exhibition space at the mall. Van Nie, this addition to a substantial decline of its sales, also due to the policy of the mall. The conclusion of his case means for the artist the end of a business suffering with a partner who is not on the current negative developments in the financial-economic area to play. " Marketing Co-Borgh Linde says: "The bigger stores still see a slight break as the costs and turnover. Some still make profits in these difficult times. That is not the case for smaller and it is a shame to close these shops to see go. But we can not be here if it is not financially feasible for them. We introduce a rental policy based on fixed prices. Since we do not change. We make no deals. " According to her is so good with the shopping center. "We are engaged in a reorganization and renovation of the mall. If the work completed, the acquisition gives it a whole new look, with shops and restaurants aimed at the local population. " The shopping center is in a change in its phase, just as the Renaissance Mall on the other side last year. That was a so-called high end mall changed with expensive brand shops focused on the (foreign) copper with a thick fair. "But the concept of the Renaissance Marketplace is different," explains Linde Borgh off. "It focuses on a different kind visitor, especially so the Aruban. That can about six months, a refurbished shopping center expect on the outside of restaurants and restaurants with terraces, and inside the various shops and business that do not compete. " The first phase of work on the side of the Marina, are almost completed. On the corner where The Villa was formerly restaurant is Taste of Belgium and also running a case where Sbarro Saturday is Starbucks coffee case. The popular items such as the Plaza Cafe, fast food restaurant Taco Bell and Subway sandwich shop continue, if known, where they are, says Linde Borgh. "We are now in negotiations with Subway to see if they want to expand. We have noticed that every day during lunch outside on the square a long row of people waiting, and perhaps interesting for Subway to make more space for its customers. " The marketing manager states that there are many houses are empty because the tenants have decided to terminate their contract and their case to conclude: "We have decided that they will not hire for the renovation work easier." Translation from the web site of Renee the shop owner: EXCELLENT ARTICLE IN THE Amigoe OF 15 APRIL 2009 I found to my surprise the exterior of my shop on. A fourth major on the front page. The excellent article was entirely outside me up. Had to laugh at the spokesperson for the Meta Group, which just afraid that the vacancy (50% and about 70% of the shops I treasure) would not be rented due to the impending renovation hahahaha. Forget it, there is no one, but anyone who wants to rent in the RENAISSANCE MALL. http://renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch.html Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2009, 10:30:22 PM http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55234.php Google translation: Retailers Renaissance Marketplace closing doors 15 Apr, 2009, 15:28 (GMT -04:00) Email this article Print this article (http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/15-aruba-winkel-voor.gif) Several shops in Renaissance Marketplace recently closed their doors. At the end of this month is also the shop of businessman / artist René van Nie close. ORANGE CITY - In recent months, several shops in Renaissance Marketplace closed their doors. The latest 'victim' is the store / exhibition space of Rene van Nie. Nonetheless, the store closures are not that bad with the mall, says marketing assistant Zugheila Linde Borgh. Recently several cases have closed their doors, as Figaro barbershop, jewelry store Rage Oro and Sbarro pizzeria. The Sbarro affiliates in the hotel zone and airport, according to reliable sources better run, and then decided on the establishment in the Renaissance Marketplace closing. By April 30, however, wound businessman and artist Rene van Nie fourteen years after his shop and exhibition space at the mall. Van Nie, this addition to a substantial decline of its sales, also due to the policy of the mall. The conclusion of his case means for the artist the end of a business suffering with a partner who is not on the current negative developments in the financial-economic area to play. " Marketing Co-Borgh Linde says: "The bigger stores still see a slight break as the costs and turnover. Some still make profits in these difficult times. That is not the case for smaller and it is a shame to close these shops to see go. But we can not be here if it is not financially feasible for them. We introduce a rental policy based on fixed prices. Since we do not change. We make no deals. " According to her is so good with the shopping center. "We are engaged in a reorganization and renovation of the mall. If the work completed, the acquisition gives it a whole new look, with shops and restaurants aimed at the local population. " The shopping center is in a change in its phase, just as the Renaissance Mall on the other side last year. That was a so-called high end mall changed with expensive brand shops focused on the (foreign) copper with a thick fair. "But the concept of the Renaissance Marketplace is different," explains Linde Borgh off. "It focuses on a different kind visitor, especially so the Aruban. That can about six months, a refurbished shopping center expect on the outside of restaurants and restaurants with terraces, and inside the various shops and business that do not compete. " The first phase of work on the side of the Marina, are almost completed. On the corner where The Villa was formerly restaurant is Taste of Belgium and also running a case where Sbarro Saturday is Starbucks coffee case. The popular items such as the Plaza Cafe, fast food restaurant Taco Bell and Subway sandwich shop continue, if known, where they are, says Linde Borgh. "We are now in negotiations with Subway to see if they want to expand. We have noticed that every day during lunch outside on the square a long row of people waiting, and perhaps interesting for Subway to make more space for its customers. " The marketing manager states that there are many houses are empty because the tenants have decided to terminate their contract and their case to conclude: "We have decided that they will not hire for the renovation work easier." Translation from the web site of Renee the shop owner: EXCELLENT ARTICLE IN THE Amigoe OF 15 APRIL 2009 I found to my surprise the exterior of my shop on. A fourth major on the front page. The excellent article was entirely outside me up. Had to laugh at the spokesperson for the Meta Group, which just afraid that the vacancy (50% and about 70% of the shops I treasure) would not be rented due to the impending renovation hahahaha. Forget it, there is no one, but anyone who wants to rent in the RENAISSANCE MALL. http://renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch.html Thanks Buckeye! I was afraid he may have been forced out after he published "The Shoe". ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: nonesuche on April 15, 2009, 10:30:32 PM Hi everyone-
I am wondering if Natalee's movie might end up on youtube? I know that's against the youtube policy but.........unless LFN contacts youtube in advance about their desire to keep it copyrighted property, it likely will end up on youtube. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2009, 10:34:51 PM Seems like if they know what we call ole Joe, they'd know what we call Julia too. ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Yep, that's it! Sad when that's the best Aruba can do to "illuminate" their views! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Buckeye on April 15, 2009, 10:39:47 PM http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55234.php Google translation: Retailers Renaissance Marketplace closing doors 15 Apr, 2009, 15:28 (GMT -04:00) Email this article Print this article (http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/15-aruba-winkel-voor.gif) Several shops in Renaissance Marketplace recently closed their doors. At the end of this month is also the shop of businessman / artist René van Nie close. ORANGE CITY - In recent months, several shops in Renaissance Marketplace closed their doors. The latest 'victim' is the store / exhibition space of Rene van Nie. Nonetheless, the store closures are not that bad with the mall, says marketing assistant Zugheila Linde Borgh. Recently several cases have closed their doors, as Figaro barbershop, jewelry store Rage Oro and Sbarro pizzeria. The Sbarro affiliates in the hotel zone and airport, according to reliable sources better run, and then decided on the establishment in the Renaissance Marketplace closing. By April 30, however, wound businessman and artist Rene van Nie fourteen years after his shop and exhibition space at the mall. Van Nie, this addition to a substantial decline of its sales, also due to the policy of the mall. The conclusion of his case means for the artist the end of a business suffering with a partner who is not on the current negative developments in the financial-economic area to play. " Marketing Co-Borgh Linde says: "The bigger stores still see a slight break as the costs and turnover. Some still make profits in these difficult times. That is not the case for smaller and it is a shame to close these shops to see go. But we can not be here if it is not financially feasible for them. We introduce a rental policy based on fixed prices. Since we do not change. We make no deals. " According to her is so good with the shopping center. "We are engaged in a reorganization and renovation of the mall. If the work completed, the acquisition gives it a whole new look, with shops and restaurants aimed at the local population. " The shopping center is in a change in its phase, just as the Renaissance Mall on the other side last year. That was a so-called high end mall changed with expensive brand shops focused on the (foreign) copper with a thick fair. "But the concept of the Renaissance Marketplace is different," explains Linde Borgh off. "It focuses on a different kind visitor, especially so the Aruban. That can about six months, a refurbished shopping center expect on the outside of restaurants and restaurants with terraces, and inside the various shops and business that do not compete. " The first phase of work on the side of the Marina, are almost completed. On the corner where The Villa was formerly restaurant is Taste of Belgium and also running a case where Sbarro Saturday is Starbucks coffee case. The popular items such as the Plaza Cafe, fast food restaurant Taco Bell and Subway sandwich shop continue, if known, where they are, says Linde Borgh. "We are now in negotiations with Subway to see if they want to expand. We have noticed that every day during lunch outside on the square a long row of people waiting, and perhaps interesting for Subway to make more space for its customers. " The marketing manager states that there are many houses are empty because the tenants have decided to terminate their contract and their case to conclude: "We have decided that they will not hire for the renovation work easier." Translation from the web site of Renee the shop owner: EXCELLENT ARTICLE IN THE Amigoe OF 15 APRIL 2009 I found to my surprise the exterior of my shop on. A fourth major on the front page. The excellent article was entirely outside me up. Had to laugh at the spokesperson for the Meta Group, which just afraid that the vacancy (50% and about 70% of the shops I treasure) would not be rented due to the impending renovation hahahaha. Forget it, there is no one, but anyone who wants to rent in the RENAISSANCE MALL. http://renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch.html Thanks Buckeye! I was afraid he may have been forced out after he published "The Shoe". ::MonkeyWink:: He has an article below that one about placing the statue of Joran's shoe in Mos's office. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2009, 10:41:22 PM http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55234.php Google translation: Retailers Renaissance Marketplace closing doors 15 Apr, 2009, 15:28 (GMT -04:00) Email this article Print this article (http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/15-aruba-winkel-voor.gif) Several shops in Renaissance Marketplace recently closed their doors. At the end of this month is also the shop of businessman / artist René van Nie close. ORANGE CITY - In recent months, several shops in Renaissance Marketplace closed their doors. The latest 'victim' is the store / exhibition space of Rene van Nie. Nonetheless, the store closures are not that bad with the mall, says marketing assistant Zugheila Linde Borgh. Recently several cases have closed their doors, as Figaro barbershop, jewelry store Rage Oro and Sbarro pizzeria. The Sbarro affiliates in the hotel zone and airport, according to reliable sources better run, and then decided on the establishment in the Renaissance Marketplace closing. By April 30, however, wound businessman and artist Rene van Nie fourteen years after his shop and exhibition space at the mall. Van Nie, this addition to a substantial decline of its sales, also due to the policy of the mall. The conclusion of his case means for the artist the end of a business suffering with a partner who is not on the current negative developments in the financial-economic area to play. " Marketing Co-Borgh Linde says: "The bigger stores still see a slight break as the costs and turnover. Some still make profits in these difficult times. That is not the case for smaller and it is a shame to close these shops to see go. But we can not be here if it is not financially feasible for them. We introduce a rental policy based on fixed prices. Since we do not change. We make no deals. " According to her is so good with the shopping center. "We are engaged in a reorganization and renovation of the mall. If the work completed, the acquisition gives it a whole new look, with shops and restaurants aimed at the local population. " The shopping center is in a change in its phase, just as the Renaissance Mall on the other side last year. That was a so-called high end mall changed with expensive brand shops focused on the (foreign) copper with a thick fair. "But the concept of the Renaissance Marketplace is different," explains Linde Borgh off. "It focuses on a different kind visitor, especially so the Aruban. That can about six months, a refurbished shopping center expect on the outside of restaurants and restaurants with terraces, and inside the various shops and business that do not compete. " The first phase of work on the side of the Marina, are almost completed. On the corner where The Villa was formerly restaurant is Taste of Belgium and also running a case where Sbarro Saturday is Starbucks coffee case. The popular items such as the Plaza Cafe, fast food restaurant Taco Bell and Subway sandwich shop continue, if known, where they are, says Linde Borgh. "We are now in negotiations with Subway to see if they want to expand. We have noticed that every day during lunch outside on the square a long row of people waiting, and perhaps interesting for Subway to make more space for its customers. " The marketing manager states that there are many houses are empty because the tenants have decided to terminate their contract and their case to conclude: "We have decided that they will not hire for the renovation work easier." Translation from the web site of Renee the shop owner: EXCELLENT ARTICLE IN THE Amigoe OF 15 APRIL 2009 I found to my surprise the exterior of my shop on. A fourth major on the front page. The excellent article was entirely outside me up. Had to laugh at the spokesperson for the Meta Group, which just afraid that the vacancy (50% and about 70% of the shops I treasure) would not be rented due to the impending renovation hahahaha. Forget it, there is no one, but anyone who wants to rent in the RENAISSANCE MALL. http://renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch.html Thanks Buckeye! I was afraid he may have been forced out after he published "The Shoe". ::MonkeyWink:: He has an article below that one about placing the statue of Joran's shoe in Mos's office. ::MonkeyHaHa:: I knew there was something about that guy I liked! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: nonesuche on April 15, 2009, 10:47:23 PM I didn't realize Lifetime has that message board, I see charlie the rat is all over it too ::MonkeyNoNo::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: nonesuche on April 15, 2009, 11:01:24 PM (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/Hinkey.gif) ::MonkeyHaHa:: so Janet is using the sign? ::MonkeyHaHa:: makes my night Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2009, 11:05:13 PM (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/Hinkey.gif) ::MonkeyHaHa:: so Janet is using the sign? ::MonkeyHaHa:: makes my night Yes, it's a great sign! Thanks Nonesuche! ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: nonesuche on April 15, 2009, 11:10:33 PM (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/Hinkey.gif) ::MonkeyHaHa:: so Janet is using the sign? ::MonkeyHaHa:: makes my night Yes, it's a great sign! Thanks Nonesuche! ::MonkeyDance:: Hi Texasmom- I've been working so much I can't keep up! You're welcome, just let me know any other phrases you want on signs and I'll make them ::MonkeyHaHa:: Might need one for drive-by's, what do you think? Did you have a good Easter holiday? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2009, 11:22:12 PM http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/6/8/ (http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/breaking%20news.gif) Papimentu translation: dokternan is purbando of scapa life of child sunday, 12 april 2009 - 15:18 24ora.com owing to wordo poni at height cu will was have one incidente cu owing to happen at arashi, caminda one hobencito of 6 anja owing to stay envolvi. apparently the hobencito will owing to bay strike one swim, caminda of one as or another the will owing to bay bao of water. at once esnan at canto owing to beat alarma y of immediate unidad of ambulance y cuerpo policial owing to movilisa y ayega rapidamente at the sitio, caminda the hobencito owing to wordo transporta for hospital. at the momentonan here, the hobencito is luchando among life y dead. dokternan is haciendo will maximo possible for scapa his life. stay pendiente for more informacion... come across Update: (I think it says the six year old boy was revived but will be in intensive care for the next 24 hours to determine if there is brain damage.) criatura of 6 year owing to scapa milagrosamente after of hera hoga at arashi sunday, 12 april 2009 - 15:18 alarma big owing to wordo beat diadomingo of resureccion in careda of 3’or for one child of six year that was hogando at arashi. here is deal of luis mariano webb live at calabas. several unidad of police y also ambulance owing to wordo send in the direccion here. click read more for more info... at arrival they owing to come across cu one doctor y one tourist mericano that was dunando first help. at once they owing to tume over y so follow reanime direccion for hospital. at hospital dokternan y personal of emergencia owing to follow work y so succeed cu the curazon owing to cuminza beat. owing to mande in cuido intensivo sperando 24 hour for see what damage the can owing to ocasiona the child at his cerebro. one acolyte of slachtoffer hulp owing to present y owing to talk cu family. they owing to bay also in kapel caminda owing to haci oracion for her criatura. come across Just what is this saying? 6 yr. old almost drowned, taken to hospital, head hurt? come across. ::MonkeyConfused:: I think it says the six year old boy was revived but will be in intensive care for the next 24 hours to determine if there is brain damage. I do think he drowned, or almost anyway...his heart was not beating from what I gather until they worked on him at the hospital. The pictures at the website looked like they were performing CPR even as he was being rolling into the hospital. Hopefully, they started CPR soon enough. The report stated that a doctor and an American tourist were the first ones to try to help him. Sad news.... Update: The 6 year old boy has died. http://www.24ora.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/ Papiamentu translation: hobencito cu owing to hera hoga at arashi owing to fayece local wednesday, 15 april 2009 - 18:47 tristo is assure hour cu at we table of redaccion we owing to wordo poni at height, cu the hobencito luis mariano webb owing to fayece after of two day of struggle for his life, the not was can owing to wanta more. for of vocero policial 24ora.com owing to wordo poni oficialmente at height of the news tristo here. the hobencito was have barely 6 anja of edad. at famianan of luis mariano webb, 24ora.com is extende his more sincero word of condolencia y forza in the dianan extremely duro they fast. come across Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 15, 2009, 11:22:12 PM I have Direct TV and I just did a check for what channel LMN is on. Here you go, looks like 253. You can go to their website and check for yourself. www.directtv.com (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/LMN.jpg) YES! My son just checked and told me exactly this, and wants me to remind him to record it for me. Woohoo. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2009, 11:23:07 PM I have Direct TV and I just did a check for what channel LMN is on. Here you go, looks like 253. You can go to their website and check for yourself. www.directtv.com (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/LMN.jpg) YES! My son just checked and told me exactly this, and wants me to remind him to record it for me. Woohoo. ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 15, 2009, 11:23:54 PM I didn't realize Lifetime has that message board, I see charlie the rat is all over it too ::MonkeyNoNo:: Yeah, I mentioned the same earlier..... aaack Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2009, 11:38:33 PM I have Direct TV and I just did a check for what channel LMN is on. Here you go, looks like 253. You can go to their website and check for yourself. www.directtv.com (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/LMN.jpg) YES! My son just checked and told me exactly this, and wants me to remind him to record it for me. Woohoo. ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: I just checked in my area (Southern Calif) Direct TV and it's on at 5PM and again at 9PM PST. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 15, 2009, 11:47:19 PM I have Direct TV and I just did a check for what channel LMN is on. Here you go, looks like 253. You can go to their website and check for yourself. www.directtv.com (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/LMN.jpg) YES! My son just checked and told me exactly this, and wants me to remind him to record it for me. Woohoo. ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: I just checked in my area (Southern Calif) Direct TV and it's on at 5PM and again at 9PM PST. This is what I found....thanks, Klaas. 01 Natalee Holloway 253 LMN 8:00 PM EDT 04/19/2009 02 Natalee Holloway 253 LMN 12:00 AM EDT 04/20/2009 03 Natalee Holloway 253 LMN 12:00 PM EDT 04/20/2009 04 Natalee Holloway 253 LMN 8:00 PM EDT 04/23/2009 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: wreck on April 16, 2009, 12:20:54 AM DishNetwork:
LMN = 109 or 9471 in HD! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 16, 2009, 12:28:18 AM Where is Kermit? ::MonkeyWaa::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 12:32:31 AM Good Question Magnolia!
Kermit come out come out wherever You are! Please! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2009, 12:34:47 AM Where is Kermit? ::MonkeyWaa:: I don't know Magnolia, I've been wondering too. ::MonkeyWaa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2009, 12:35:21 AM Good Question Magnolia! Kermit come out come out wherever You are! Please! Great fly Hotping! ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 12:37:26 AM Good Question Magnolia! Kermit come out come out wherever You are! Please! Great fly Hotping! ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 16, 2009, 12:38:27 AM Good Question Magnolia! Kermit come out come out wherever You are! Please! We need that frog! That is a lovely fly, Hotping! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2009, 12:39:01 AM Good Question Magnolia! Kermit come out come out wherever You are! Please! Great fly Hotping! ::MonkeyDance:: Hey, Kermit will lurv it! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 12:39:40 AM Good Question Magnolia! Kermit come out come out wherever You are! Please! We need that frog! That is a lovely fly, Hotping! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 16, 2009, 12:43:23 AM I notice that Renho is spewing lies right and left in the movie thread at RU.
Her lies don't upset me as much as the ones at the Lifetime site. Hers are such whoppers that they are comical. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 12:44:57 AM Good Question Magnolia! Kermit come out come out wherever You are! Please! Great fly Hotping! ::MonkeyDance:: Hey, Kermit will lurv it! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 16, 2009, 12:47:11 AM Here's a little gem I just happened upon... ::MonkeyHaHa:: Original post (http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8387.msg331717#msg331717) at BFN Quote oceanexploration Natalee Holloway / Archived Topics / Re: OPEN DISCUSSION - NATALEE - MAR. 2008 (1) on: March 18, 2008, 10:09:54 AM This is only my opinion regarding ethics of posting information: -If someone has information that qualifies as a lead it should be reported to the proper investigative authorities, not to an internet forum. -If someone has information that may be case-related but is unproven, then an open discussion of the subject in a forum may help connect the dots, or help disqualify the information. -If someone voluntarily brings new information to the forum, the sources of that information should be provided unless backed by a disclaimer that the information is potentially case significant and therefore case-sensitive and being investigated by authorities. - When someone brings new information to a forum but denies any way of verification or validation, it should be incorporated in the same manner and level as someone sharing their individual opinion and nothing further regardless of the person posting the information. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 12:47:13 AM I notice that Renho is spewing lies right and left in the movie thread at RU. I went over to the Lifetime site and My Blood starting boiling so I don't dare go to RU.... ::MonkeyNoNo::Her lies don't upset me as much as the ones at the Lifetime site. Hers are such whoppers that they are comical. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2009, 12:47:26 AM I notice that Renho is spewing lies right and left in the movie thread at RU. Her lies don't upset me as much as the ones at the Lifetime site. Hers are such whoppers that they are comical. ::MonkeyHaHa:: I can't even go take a look. My stomach finally settled down enough to eat a bowl of cereal a little while ago. I felt sick at dinner and couldn't eat at all after being at the other site. ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 16, 2009, 12:49:46 AM Good Question Magnolia! Kermit come out come out wherever You are! Please! Great fly Hotping! ::MonkeyDance:: Hey, Kermit will lurv it! ::MonkeyHaHa:: I have been concerned too, Hotping. Last we heard from the Fine Frog was when the mean site did all the threats. I don't think Kermit is in the storm area. But I am worried. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 12:50:46 AM Here's a little gem I just happened upon... ::MonkeyHaHa:: Original post (http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8387.msg331717#msg331717) at BFN Quote oceanexploration Natalee Holloway / Archived Topics / Re: OPEN DISCUSSION - NATALEE - MAR. 2008 (1) on: March 18, 2008, 10:09:54 AM This is only my opinion regarding ethics of posting information: -If someone has information that qualifies as a lead it should be reported to the proper investigative authorities, not to an internet forum. -If someone has information that may be case-related but is unproven, then an open discussion of the subject in a forum may help connect the dots, or help disqualify the information. -If someone voluntarily brings new information to the forum, the sources of that information should be provided unless backed by a disclaimer that the information is potentially case significant and therefore case-sensitive and being investigated by authorities. - When someone brings new information to a forum but denies any way of verification or validation, it should be incorporated in the same manner and level as someone sharing their individual opinion and nothing further regardless of the person posting the information. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 16, 2009, 12:57:07 AM Here's a little gem I just happened upon... ::MonkeyHaHa:: Original post (http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8387.msg331717#msg331717) at BFN Quote oceanexploration Natalee Holloway / Archived Topics / Re: OPEN DISCUSSION - NATALEE - MAR. 2008 (1) on: March 18, 2008, 10:09:54 AM This is only my opinion regarding ethics of posting information: -If someone has information that qualifies as a lead it should be reported to the proper investigative authorities, not to an internet forum. -If someone has information that may be case-related but is unproven, then an open discussion of the subject in a forum may help connect the dots, or help disqualify the information. -If someone voluntarily brings new information to the forum, the sources of that information should be provided unless backed by a disclaimer that the information is potentially case significant and therefore case-sensitive and being investigated by authorities. - When someone brings new information to a forum but denies any way of verification or validation, it should be incorporated in the same manner and level as someone sharing their individual opinion and nothing further regardless of the person posting the information. That Kyle....He certainly has an elevated opinion of himself. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 12:57:35 AM Good Question Magnolia! Kermit come out come out wherever You are! Please! Great fly Hotping! ::MonkeyDance:: Hey, Kermit will lurv it! ::MonkeyHaHa:: I have been concerned too, Hotping. Last we heard from the Fine Frog was when the mean site did all the threats. I don't think Kermit is in the storm area. But I am worried. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 12:58:45 AM Here's a little gem I just happened upon... ::MonkeyHaHa:: Original post (http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8387.msg331717#msg331717) at BFN Quote oceanexploration Natalee Holloway / Archived Topics / Re: OPEN DISCUSSION - NATALEE - MAR. 2008 (1) on: March 18, 2008, 10:09:54 AM This is only my opinion regarding ethics of posting information: -If someone has information that qualifies as a lead it should be reported to the proper investigative authorities, not to an internet forum. -If someone has information that may be case-related but is unproven, then an open discussion of the subject in a forum may help connect the dots, or help disqualify the information. -If someone voluntarily brings new information to the forum, the sources of that information should be provided unless backed by a disclaimer that the information is potentially case significant and therefore case-sensitive and being investigated by authorities. - When someone brings new information to a forum but denies any way of verification or validation, it should be incorporated in the same manner and level as someone sharing their individual opinion and nothing further regardless of the person posting the information. That Kyle....He certainly has an elevated opinion of himself. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 16, 2009, 01:00:00 AM Good Question Magnolia! Kermit come out come out wherever You are! Please! Great fly Hotping! ::MonkeyDance:: Hey, Kermit will lurv it! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Me too, Hotping! I bet Kermit is busy working... (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RIKJq237I6g/Sac1Fe8o63I/AAAAAAAAUYM/spICJqA61BQ/s400/ae.jpg) But...if this is Kermit trapped in the Smithsonian...we're gonna need to bust him out! (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photo/_new/080730-smithsonia-kermit-hmed-3p.rp350x350.jpg) Maybe this will help...I found it on succeedwiththis.com...it's gotta work, right? (http://www.succeedwiththis.com/images/insects/horsefly.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 01:01:41 AM Yes Lifesong that will probably work! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyWink::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2009, 01:02:50 AM Here's a little gem I just happened upon... ::MonkeyHaHa:: Original post (http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8387.msg331717#msg331717) at BFN Quote oceanexploration Natalee Holloway / Archived Topics / Re: OPEN DISCUSSION - NATALEE - MAR. 2008 (1) on: March 18, 2008, 10:09:54 AM This is only my opinion regarding ethics of posting information: -If someone has information that qualifies as a lead it should be reported to the proper investigative authorities, not to an internet forum. -If someone has information that may be case-related but is unproven, then an open discussion of the subject in a forum may help connect the dots, or help disqualify the information. -If someone voluntarily brings new information to the forum, the sources of that information should be provided unless backed by a disclaimer that the information is potentially case significant and therefore case-sensitive and being investigated by authorities. - When someone brings new information to a forum but denies any way of verification or validation, it should be incorporated in the same manner and level as someone sharing their individual opinion and nothing further regardless of the person posting the information. That Kyle....He certainly has an elevated opinion of himself. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Yep, ::MonkeyHaHa:: (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/KATC%20KLFY%20COVERAGE/KATC_KyleKingman_01.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2009, 01:05:08 AM I didn't realize that picture was that big! ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: I'll have to resize it if I ever post it again! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 16, 2009, 01:05:50 AM Lordy, we need to bust Kermit out of that glass box. ::MonkeyShocked::
He will suffocate. ::MonkeyWaa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 01:06:47 AM I didn't realize that picture was that big! ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: I'll have to resize it if I ever post it again! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 16, 2009, 01:06:47 AM Are there secret meetings,in regards to a Muppet Reunion and,Kermit is holding back on us Muppet Fans.....That damn Frog is acting like a movie star...Just kidding Kermit..... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 01:08:14 AM Are there secret meetings,in regards to a Muppet Reunion and,Kermit is holding back on us Muppet Fans.....That damn Frog is acting like a movie star...Just kidding Kermit..... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyHaHa::Hey KTF....It's Good to see Ya! ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 16, 2009, 01:09:00 AM I didn't realize that picture was that big! ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: I'll have to resize it if I ever post it again! That is not a flattering picture, TM. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 16, 2009, 01:09:04 AM Lordy, we need to bust Kermit out of that glass box. ::MonkeyShocked:: He will suffocate. ::MonkeyWaa:: It's ok, Magnolia...that frog has it going on! I think the Smithsonian is just a side gig Kermie does when it fits the schedule...he's got a secret trapdoor outta that display case! I'm a little concerned he didn't get out before closing time...but you know Miss Piggy'll bust him out too! I'd to be the security guard!! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2009, 01:09:40 AM Lordy, we need to bust Kermit out of that glass box. ::MonkeyShocked:: He will suffocate. ::MonkeyWaa:: Here ya go Magnolia, just aim carefully so you don't hurt him. (http://www.groundbreakingshovels.com/graphics/sledgehammer.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 01:10:01 AM Lordy, we need to bust Kermit out of that glass box. ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: He will suffocate. ::MonkeyWaa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2009, 01:10:55 AM I didn't realize that picture was that big! ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: I'll have to resize it if I ever post it again! That is not a flattering picture, TM. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyTongue:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 16, 2009, 01:11:35 AM Are there secret meetings,in regards to a Muppet Reunion and,Kermit is holding back on us Muppet Fans.....That damn Frog is acting like a movie star...Just kidding Kermit..... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: There you are!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: I was about to post that I was Keeping The Faith that KeeptheFaith was gonna come back! We've missed you!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 01:12:42 AM Lordy, we need to bust Kermit out of that glass box. ::MonkeyShocked:: He will suffocate. ::MonkeyWaa:: Here ya go Magnolia, just aim carefully so you don't hurt him. (http://www.groundbreakingshovels.com/graphics/sledgehammer.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 16, 2009, 01:12:43 AM Good to see you KTF. Been missing you too. ::MonkeyDance::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 16, 2009, 01:13:20 AM Are there secret meetings,in regards to a Muppet Reunion and,Kermit is holding back on us Muppet Fans.....That damn Frog is acting like a movie star...Just kidding Kermit..... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyHaHa::Hey KTF....It's Good to see Ya! ::MonkeyDance:: WoW..Everything went SILENT on the pond hoax and CWL... ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 16, 2009, 01:14:29 AM Been in the Lab doin research... ::MonkeyTongue::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 16, 2009, 01:16:36 AM We will rescue Kermit tonight with the big sledge hammer. ::MonkeyDance::
I think Kyle uses a Flowby to cut his hair. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 16, 2009, 01:18:21 AM texasmom, Lifesong, Magnolia, hotping
Some Amazin Monkey's...Tamikosmom is Lurking... ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 16, 2009, 01:18:27 AM We will rescue Kermit tonight with the big sledge hammer. ::MonkeyDance:: I think Kyle uses a Flowby to cut his hair. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 16, 2009, 01:21:04 AM Been in the Lab doin research... ::MonkeyTongue:: What cha researching KTF? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 16, 2009, 01:21:19 AM I didn't realize that picture was that big! ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: I'll have to resize it if I ever post it again! That is not a flattering picture, TM. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyTongue:: Looks like a Muppet wanna-be! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2009, 01:21:55 AM We will rescue Kermit tonight with the big sledge hammer. ::MonkeyDance:: I think Kyle uses a Flowby to cut his hair. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2009, 01:22:37 AM texasmom, Lifesong, Magnolia, hotping Some Amazin Monkey's...Tamikosmom is Lurking... ::MonkeyWink:: You're pretty amazing too Keepthefaith! ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2009, 01:23:39 AM Been in the Lab doin research... ::MonkeyTongue:: What cha researching KTF? Probably a "toxic poop" proof suit! ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2009, 01:24:17 AM I didn't realize that picture was that big! ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: I'll have to resize it if I ever post it again! That is not a flattering picture, TM. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyTongue:: Looks like a Muppet wanna-be! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Yep! ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 16, 2009, 01:30:24 AM Been in the Lab doin research... ::MonkeyTongue:: What cha researching KTF? Honestly.A little of everything..going back and reading different information from Kermit,LifeSongs timeline(which is Fabulous i must say),continuing to look at those oil blocks off of Venezuela,contracts,Banks that kermit has mentioned...Lot's of intersting stuff.I tend to forget stuff easily.. ::MonkeyLaugh:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2009, 01:30:44 AM We will rescue Kermit tonight with the big sledge hammer. ::MonkeyDance:: I think Kyle uses a Flowby to cut his hair. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: (http://www.flowbee.com/images/webproduct%20shot%20copy.jpg) (http://www.flowbee.com/images/webrickbotflat2%20copy.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 16, 2009, 01:33:31 AM Kermit - That sledgehammer is making me nervous!! ::MonkeyEek:: Hop faster!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyWink:: Maybe Kermit has been visiting San! ::MonkeyHaHa:: (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Qy4iftwk5JM/SERHQszKbWI/AAAAAAAADOU/40tQjTr9PFM/s400/GangstaKermit.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 01:34:26 AM Are there secret meetings,in regards to a Muppet Reunion and,Kermit is holding back on us Muppet Fans.....That damn Frog is acting like a movie star...Just kidding Kermit..... ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyHaHa::Hey KTF....It's Good to see Ya! ::MonkeyDance:: WoW..Everything went SILENT on the pond hoax and CWL... ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 01:35:03 AM We will rescue Kermit tonight with the big sledge hammer. ::MonkeyDance:: I think Kyle uses a Flowby to cut his hair. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: (http://www.flowbee.com/images/webproduct%20shot%20copy.jpg) (http://www.flowbee.com/images/webrickbotflat2%20copy.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 01:35:44 AM Been in the Lab doin research... ::MonkeyTongue:: What cha researching KTF? Probably a "toxic poop" proof suit! ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 01:37:49 AM Kermit - That sledgehammer is making me nervous!! ::MonkeyEek:: Hop faster!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyWink:: Maybe Kermit has been visiting San! ::MonkeyHaHa:: (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Qy4iftwk5JM/SERHQszKbWI/AAAAAAAADOU/40tQjTr9PFM/s400/GangstaKermit.jpg) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 16, 2009, 01:38:56 AM Been in the Lab doin research... ::MonkeyTongue:: What cha researching KTF? Probably a "toxic poop" proof suit! ::MonkeyDance:: You ain't a Sh_tten HotPing...Me is a thinking i'll need one very soon.. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 01:39:13 AM Hey We need billb.....billb are You out there lurking? ::MonkeyWink::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 16, 2009, 01:39:28 AM Been in the Lab doin research... ::MonkeyTongue:: What cha researching KTF? Probably a "toxic poop" proof suit! ::MonkeyDance:: Try say that five times real fast! ::MonkeyTongue:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2009, 01:40:30 AM Been in the Lab doin research... ::MonkeyTongue:: What cha researching KTF? Probably a "toxic poop" proof suit! ::MonkeyDance:: You ain't a Sh_tten HotPing...Me is a thinking i'll need one very soon.. ::MonkeyHaHa:: I want one, and the goggles too! ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 01:43:33 AM Been in the Lab doin research... ::MonkeyTongue:: What cha researching KTF? Probably a "toxic poop" proof suit! ::MonkeyDance:: You ain't a Sh_tten HotPing...Me is a thinking i'll need one very soon.. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 16, 2009, 01:43:58 AM Get a load of this! WTH! Original post (http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7977.msg297418#msg297418) at BFN Quote oceanexploration Missing Children & Adults / Missing Children & Adults / Re: Stacey Peterson on: December 07, 2007, 11:12:46 AM Once the Holloway search is completed I will be flying out to Bolingbrook to aid in the search for Stacy. I'll be using satelite remote sensing spatial analysis (for spatial context) and side scan sonar imagery, keying in on certain areas. What's very interesting to me is the blue barrel being warm to the touch as it was loaded by our distraught witness. Also, that Mr. Peterson needed help loading it into his vehicle. First, why would he risk asking for help loading the barrel? It was obviously far too heavy for him. He's a good-sized man as well. Further, the blue barrel left trace amounts of blue plastic on his vehicle during the transfer (most likely during the unload). This also suggests the barrel was extremely heavy, far heavier than the 125 lb female plus the weight of the barrel. I believe the barrel to contain a significant amount of chlorine in addition to the weights and body. The body (and body fluid) would react with the chlorine producing a moderately exothermic reaction. Heat is generated. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 01:47:12 AM Get a load of this! WTH! Original post (http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7977.msg297418#msg297418) at BFN Quote oceanexploration Missing Children & Adults / Missing Children & Adults / Re: Stacey Peterson on: December 07, 2007, 11:12:46 AM Once the Holloway search is completed I will be flying out to Bolingbrook to aid in the search for Stacy. I'll be using satelite remote sensing spatial analysis (for spatial context) and side scan sonar imagery, keying in on certain areas. What's very interesting to me is the blue barrel being warm to the touch as it was loaded by our distraught witness. Also, that Mr. Peterson needed help loading it into his vehicle. First, why would he risk asking for help loading the barrel? It was obviously far too heavy for him. He's a good-sized man as well. Further, the blue barrel left trace amounts of blue plastic on his vehicle during the transfer (most likely during the unload). This also suggests the barrel was extremely heavy, far heavier than the 125 lb female plus the weight of the barrel. I believe the barrel to contain a significant amount of chlorine in addition to the weights and body. The body (and body fluid) would react with the chlorine producing a moderately exothermic reaction. Heat is generated. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2009, 01:49:07 AM ::MonkeyRoll:: Kyle, Kyle, Kyle...sigh ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 01:49:08 AM Been in the Lab doin research... ::MonkeyTongue:: What cha researching KTF? Probably a "toxic poop" proof suit! ::MonkeyDance:: Try say that five times real fast! ::MonkeyTongue:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2009, 01:50:58 AM Been in the Lab doin research... ::MonkeyTongue:: What cha researching KTF? Probably a "toxic poop" proof suit! ::MonkeyDance:: Try say that five times real fast! ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: I couldn't even get through it twice! ::MonkeyLaugh:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 16, 2009, 01:51:04 AM Kyle shangos too! ::MonkeyNoNo:: This guy... Did Lala's know that Kyle figured out the riddle and it was wrong? ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: No wonder.... Quote oceanexploration Natalee Holloway / Archived Topics / Re: OPEN DISCUSSION - NATALEE - DEC. 2007 on: December 06, 2007, 10:20:19 PM Thanks Aristotle. It's a dead lead unfortunately. Basically, someone concocted a well-thought, yet incorrect theory on where her body was and built a cryptic message around it to sound convincing enough to lead us to the area they wanted us to eventually search. However, it's the wrong area. Can't say more. I refuse to comment about the case itself. The search is my job. It's interesting being in the middle of all this and reading all these theories, factoids, and tidbits people have gleaned off the net and TV. It's truly amazing how intelligent some people are at putting small pieces together and constructing massive stories around it and believing in it, knowing full well what they're doing. Unfortunately, not all information is posted on the net or aired on prime time. Worse, the information posted and aired is at best 25% accurate. CNN, Fox, and others even mis-spelled Louis Schaefer Jr.'s name. I shouldn't have to say this, but... Please don't believe everything you see on TV and on the Net. Quote oceanexploration Natalee Holloway / Archived Topics / Re: OPEN DISCUSSION - NATALEE - DEC. 2007 on: December 06, 2007, 10:49:12 PM Also for what it's worth.. I figured out the riddle. Its rather simple. It points to a logical, yet incorrect search area. I don't know who the person behind it's origin, but I know it was false and if anything, attempting to lead a search to the wrong area. Here's a good question: WHY would anyone send a cryptic, yet simple riddle to the people who are trying to solve this case with positive motives? Answer: THEY WOULDN'T. But, we don't know who "They is". In any case, we will go out and have a look. I'll post what I find when I'm able. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2009, 01:55:17 AM I hate to leave good company, but I need to get some rest...long day tomorrow. Good Night Monkeys! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 16, 2009, 01:55:27 AM Been in the Lab doin research... ::MonkeyTongue:: What cha researching KTF? You ain't a Sh_tten HotPing...Me is a thinking i'll need one very soon.. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Seems like all you Monkey's have been discussing some great topics,as well as silence from that darn Frog...I'll just be prepared with the "Poop Suit"... ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 01:56:24 AM Kyle shangos too! ::MonkeyNoNo:: This guy... Did Lala's know that Kyle figured out the riddle and it was wrong? ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: No wonder.... Quote oceanexploration Natalee Holloway / Archived Topics / Re: OPEN DISCUSSION - NATALEE - DEC. 2007 on: December 06, 2007, 10:20:19 PM Thanks Aristotle. It's a dead lead unfortunately. Basically, someone concocted a well-thought, yet incorrect theory on where her body was and built a cryptic message around it to sound convincing enough to lead us to the area they wanted us to eventually search. However, it's the wrong area. Can't say more. I refuse to comment about the case itself. The search is my job. It's interesting being in the middle of all this and reading all these theories, factoids, and tidbits people have gleaned off the net and TV. It's truly amazing how intelligent some people are at putting small pieces together and constructing massive stories around it and believing in it, knowing full well what they're doing. Unfortunately, not all information is posted on the net or aired on prime time. Worse, the information posted and aired is at best 25% accurate. CNN, Fox, and others even mis-spelled Louis Schaefer Jr.'s name. I shouldn't have to say this, but... Please don't believe everything you see on TV and on the Net. Quote oceanexploration Natalee Holloway / Archived Topics / Re: OPEN DISCUSSION - NATALEE - DEC. 2007 on: December 06, 2007, 10:49:12 PM Also for what it's worth.. I figured out the riddle. Its rather simple. It points to a logical, yet incorrect search area. I don't know who the person behind it's origin, but I know it was false and if anything, attempting to lead a search to the wrong area. Here's a good question: WHY would anyone send a cryptic, yet simple riddle to the people who are trying to solve this case with positive motives? Answer: THEY WOULDN'T. But, we don't know who "They is". In any case, we will go out and have a look. I'll post what I find when I'm able. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 01:57:09 AM I hate to leave good company, but I need to get some rest...long day tomorrow. Good Night Monkeys! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2009, 01:58:33 AM (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Hollowayfamilygallery.jpg) Truth & Justice for Natalee! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 16, 2009, 01:58:36 AM I hate to leave good company, but I need to get some rest...long day tomorrow. Good Night Monkeys! ::MonkeyCool:: Goodnight, TM and God Bless! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 01:59:10 AM Been in the Lab doin research... ::MonkeyTongue:: What cha researching KTF? You ain't a Sh_tten HotPing...Me is a thinking i'll need one very soon.. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Seems like all you Monkey's have been discussing some great topics,as well as silence from that darn Frog...I'll just be prepared with the "Poop Suit"... ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 16, 2009, 01:59:31 AM I hate to leave good company, but I need to get some rest...long day tomorrow. Good Night Monkeys! ::MonkeyCool:: Night TM....Sleep well. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 16, 2009, 01:59:39 AM JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY
GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS KEEPTHEFAITH Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 02:00:35 AM JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY Good Night KTF! ::MonkeyCool::GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS KEEPTHEFAITH Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 16, 2009, 02:01:02 AM KTF - we need you! I'm unfocused and jumping from subject to subject, etc. Hotping - what the heck are we supposed to be working on anyway?? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 16, 2009, 02:01:07 AM (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Hollowayfamilygallery.jpg) Truth & Justice for Natalee! JUSTICE-WILL-BE-SERVED Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 16, 2009, 02:03:10 AM Hey We need billb.....billb are You out there lurking? ::MonkeyWink:: I'm starting this quote stack to entice billb out of the rafters! billb - your uncle bubba called, he wants his cow back! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 16, 2009, 02:07:15 AM KTF - we need you! I'm unfocused and jumping from subject to subject, etc. Hotping - what the heck are we supposed to be working on anyway?? Your timeline keeps my head from spinning outta control Lifesong...I just keep everything upstairs and bounce around and post it then keep moving.. ::MonkeyShocked:: Me personally.I'm still brainstorming how you open a business but,aren't conducting business...Such as Schaefer.I understand he's got a lot of money but,you can't tell me he's just letting those ships sit there.....As Rob once said..It's a shell game!Persistence will pay off..No pun intended...GoodNight and God Bless! ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Keepthefaith on April 16, 2009, 02:08:59 AM Ohhh..2nj!I'm still waiting for my check.Hasn't come yet.... ::MonkeyHaHa::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 02:10:39 AM Hey We need billb.....billb are You out there lurking? ::MonkeyWink:: I'm starting this quote stack to entice billb out of the rafters! billb - your uncle bubba called, he wants his cow back! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 16, 2009, 02:11:48 AM oceanexploration Natalee Holloway / Archived Topics / Re: OPEN DISCUSSION - NATALEE - DEC. 2007 on: December 10, 2007, 03:12:04 PM This is true. Not to mention all the leading news agency's on board. It's not good form to "off" volunteers, reporters, and their producers. Anyhow, I'm really not concerned. I trust the Lord fully, I will not be afraid. I still try to avoid situations of martyrdom. LOL http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7935.msg298696#msg298696 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 16, 2009, 02:13:58 AM Hey We need billb.....billb are You out there lurking? ::MonkeyWink:: I'm starting this quote stack to entice billb out of the rafters! billb - your uncle bubba called, he wants his cow back! ::MonkeyHaHa:: uncle bubba's cow just called...said he misses the goats and wants to go visit Magnolia so he can meet Buck! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 02:16:21 AM KTF - we need you! I'm unfocused and jumping from subject to subject, etc. Hotping - what the heck are we supposed to be working on anyway?? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Icehawk on April 16, 2009, 02:16:54 AM Hello Monkey's.
Is this Natalee in this picture? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 02:17:54 AM Hey We need billb.....billb are You out there lurking? ::MonkeyWink:: I'm starting this quote stack to entice billb out of the rafters! billb - your uncle bubba called, he wants his cow back! ::MonkeyHaHa:: uncle bubba's cow just called...said he misses the goats and wants to go visit Magnolia so he can meet Buck! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 16, 2009, 02:19:02 AM KTF - we need you! I'm unfocused and jumping from subject to subject, etc. Hotping - what the heck are we supposed to be working on anyway?? Your timeline keeps my head from spinning outta control Lifesong...I just keep everything upstairs and bounce around and post it then keep moving.. ::MonkeyShocked:: Me personally.I'm still brainstorming how you open a business but,aren't conducting business...Such as Schaefer.I understand he's got a lot of money but,you can't tell me he's just letting those ships sit there.....As Rob once said..It's a shell game!Persistence will pay off..No pun intended...GoodNight and God Bless! ::MonkeyWink:: The timeline and I are currently not working well together...I guess we are going through a difficult period... ::MonkeyHaHa:: It was supposed to be a sleek, concise, well-linked tool for recognizing connections and the lack thereof. Instead it seems to have become heavy, cumbersome, and incredibly stubborn when it comes to being posted. I think it needs some streamlining, I'm just not sure how to do it. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 02:20:31 AM oceanexploration Natalee Holloway / Archived Topics / Re: OPEN DISCUSSION - NATALEE - DEC. 2007 on: December 10, 2007, 03:12:04 PM This is true. Not to mention all the leading news agency's on board. It's not good form to "off" volunteers, reporters, and their producers. Anyhow, I'm really not concerned. I trust the Lord fully, I will not be afraid. I still try to avoid situations of martyrdom. LOL http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7935.msg298696#msg298696 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 16, 2009, 02:20:33 AM Hello Monkey's. Is this Natalee in this picture? It sure looks like her to me, Icehawk! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 16, 2009, 02:24:14 AM Hey We need billb.....billb are You out there lurking? ::MonkeyWink:: I'm starting this quote stack to entice billb out of the rafters! billb - your uncle bubba called, he wants his cow back! ::MonkeyHaHa:: uncle bubba's cow just called...said he misses the goats and wants to go visit Magnolia so he can meet Buck! Buck just called...he wants billb to call him back. Something about not wanting to be rude to the cow, but he still feels nekkid without his tail that Magnolia used for Sans earflaps. Said he'd prefer not to have visitors until its grown back. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 02:24:28 AM KTF - we need you! I'm unfocused and jumping from subject to subject, etc. Hotping - what the heck are we supposed to be working on anyway?? Your timeline keeps my head from spinning outta control Lifesong...I just keep everything upstairs and bounce around and post it then keep moving.. ::MonkeyShocked:: Me personally.I'm still brainstorming how you open a business but,aren't conducting business...Such as Schaefer.I understand he's got a lot of money but,you can't tell me he's just letting those ships sit there.....As Rob once said..It's a shell game!Persistence will pay off..No pun intended...GoodNight and God Bless! ::MonkeyWink:: The timeline and I are currently not working well together...I guess we are going through a difficult period... ::MonkeyHaHa:: It was supposed to be a sleek, concise, well-linked tool for recognizing connections and the lack thereof. Instead it seems to have become heavy, cumbersome, and incredibly stubborn when it comes to being posted. I think it needs some streamlining, I'm just not sure how to do it. I have a Huge Family wedding coming up this weekend and I have not been able to focus on the research but after this weekend I will do My damdest to help as much as possible with the research..... ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 02:26:08 AM Hey We need billb.....billb are You out there lurking? ::MonkeyWink:: I'm starting this quote stack to entice billb out of the rafters! billb - your uncle bubba called, he wants his cow back! ::MonkeyHaHa:: uncle bubba's cow just called...said he misses the goats and wants to go visit Magnolia so he can meet Buck! Buck just called...he wants billb to call him back. Something about not wanting to be rude to the cow, but he still feels nekkid without his tail that Magnolia used for Sans earflaps. Said he'd prefer not to have visitors until its grown back. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: hotping on April 16, 2009, 02:30:15 AM I hate to leave good company but tomorrow morning is going to be very busy for Me so I will say Good Night Monkeys..... ::MonkeyCool::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 16, 2009, 02:33:00 AM I hate to leave good company but tomorrow morning is going to be very busy for Me so I will say Good Night Monkeys..... ::MonkeyCool:: Goodnight, Hotping! God Bless! I'm excited for you - weddings are most fun!! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 16, 2009, 02:39:07 AM Hey We need billb.....billb are You out there lurking? ::MonkeyWink:: I'm starting this quote stack to entice billb out of the rafters! billb - your uncle bubba called, he wants his cow back! ::MonkeyHaHa:: uncle bubba's cow just called...said he misses the goats and wants to go visit Magnolia so he can meet Buck! Buck just called...he wants billb to call him back. Something about not wanting to be rude to the cow, but he still feels nekkid without his tail that Magnolia used for Sans earflaps. Said he'd prefer not to have visitors until its grown back. Buck's tail is growing back nicely. We are so pleased. The two new Nubian nanny goats think Buck is hot with or without a tail. We have a nice little goat family now. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 16, 2009, 02:43:05 AM Hey We need billb.....billb are You out there lurking? ::MonkeyWink:: I'm starting this quote stack to entice billb out of the rafters! billb - your uncle bubba called, he wants his cow back! ::MonkeyHaHa:: uncle bubba's cow just called...said he misses the goats and wants to go visit Magnolia so he can meet Buck! Buck just called...he wants billb to call him back. Something about not wanting to be rude to the cow, but he still feels nekkid without his tail that Magnolia used for Sans earflaps. Said he'd prefer not to have visitors until its grown back. Buck's tail is growing back nicely. We are so pleased. The two new Nubian nanny goats think Buck is hot with or without a tail. We have a nice little goat family now. ::MonkeyHaHa:: billb's uncle bubba just called back. Says he'll trade the cow for one of them fancy Nubian goats. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Buck's a stud! ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Nut44x4 on April 16, 2009, 06:45:40 AM (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MOD/modlock4.gif)
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 16, 2009, 08:12:21 AM http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0061468797/ref=pe_5050_11768020_snp_dp
Beth's book is scheduled to be released in paperback form the last of April. I think this is a very good indication that it has sold well in hardback form. The movie will bolster sales even more I believe. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Nut44x4 on April 16, 2009, 08:14:09 AM Please go slowwwww, lol. No one else is around and I have to leave for a while ::MonkeyWaa::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 16, 2009, 09:12:26 AM I could have sworn that got posted here before............... But here it is (in context for the naysayers) This was the day after Kyle joined our forum and shared his initial information with us. This will also show some of the discussion about keeping this info (at that time) under wraps in case there was really an honest investigation ongoing about what was found. I left out posts from other Freebirds who participated in this dialogue. Note - the information of Kyle having sent screen shots to the FBI is what we later learned to have been a lie, and also note - that was Kyle's ONLY attempt (that we were told about) of having "sent this information to the FBI". March 19, 2008 post from ME to Kyle: I find it very curious that Mos and/or Richardson didn't take statements from everyone on board. (the Persistence) kyle wrote: Why? If I were Mos I would have done the following: - Once the Persistence finds the trap, convince them it's nothing significant This would calm media pressure and keep the Persistence searching while the investigation continues. No statements needed because this lets the team know it was case significant and of elevated interest. - While the search continues offshore unabated, process the trap site by a Dutch forensic team and continue getting the investigation buttoned up - While the forensic results are being processed, keep the search going as a smoke screen. With the Persistence puppet in play, everyone involved is relatively calm knowing that as long as we're searching, nothing significant is found. - Buy as much time as they can using the confession tape to encourage the Persistence to remain searching - Dateline opens up a can of worms by showing the public (and the perps) the trap, but claims it was of no interest - Put out a statement claiming no evidenciary value in the samples. - Continue investigation without media pressure or public outcry. - Once the investigation is complete, get all the authorities in play ready to arrest the whole lot simultaneously. - Arrest everyone involved then announce the full results. Kyle wrote: After studying the images, go back to the press release from Hans Mos regarding the trap and ask yourself these questions: -Does this statement really say anything at all? -Does the official FBI report say anything at all (verbatim to Mos's release)? - If the fabric was clearly a blue denim-like fabric (a skirt perhaps) why was the sample compared to Natalee's blouse? - Did the FBI receive this blue fabric or another fabric? - If it was another fabric, was it a fabric sampled from the trap? - Why would the FBI make a statement as they did on the heels of the Dateline special? The answers to these questions moves this case into three possible directions: 1) The case is currently under investigation and moving towards justice for Natalee. A lot of people will go to prison, but it may take months to complete the investigation from the beginning, including the coverup and investigation. judges...etc. 2) The case is currently being professionally covered up and the key evidence is shelved, or destroyed. 3) We have not yet found Natalee and what we found is someone else - but no interest is being demonstrated at finding out who it is. In my opinion the chances of either above scenario are equally split three ways. I wrote: Kyle, Can you give us names of Aruban officials present on the Jan 7th dive? Can you also tell us - were Persistence divers wanting to dive on Jan 7th? Were they prevented from doing so by Aruban officials? Were there any Aruban officials onboard the Persistence during the dive on Jan 7th? Or were they all on their own boat? Has Aruba asked you for the ROV footage from that dive? Kyle wrote: I don't have the names of the Aruban divers from the Jan 7th dive, but we should have a record of it. I know two of them, but forget their names. John will know the third diver's name if necessary. I don't recall who all was there on the 7th. The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat. I wrote: Just from having followed criminal cases before- I would think that for prosecutorial value, Mos would have needed statements from the crew. Mos had no way of knowing as of Dec 29, 30th or even by Jan 7th whether what you found was, or was not Natalee. For any evidence to be admissable in court - I would think very detailed statements from you all would be necessary. Also - if he were looking to bring down the whole corrupt "house of cards", he would need information from you all as to what you filmed of the recovery dive by his divers.....................I would think. Kyle wrote: I don't know how this should be handled. - I think the underwater pictures taken by the divers of the samples from the trap would be very useful. - We tried repeatedly for weeks unsecessfully to get an inventory from the FBI. Right before the Dateline special aired we got word (after pressure from C. Rice's office) from the FBI that they were testing the samples, and that HALF the samples were send to the NFI. This contradicted Richardson who said he sent everything to the FBI. - It would be useful knowing exactly what the FBI tested. - I send the FBI screen shots of the Jan 7th dive and blue fabric with a note asking if they can verify what was sampled versus the fabric pictured. I did not get a response. This was several weeks ago. I wrote: Kyle, I agree with each of the three scenarios being equally possible at this point in time. I think the only way anyone could possibly know for sure - is if Beth were to contact the FBI and find out what, exactly, they received from Richardson. One other way it could be possible - is to have John Kelly meet with Mos and go over the Aruban case file as it pertains to your find - pictures, officer reports, chain of custody logs, etc. I think Mos telling Richardson in late January that he (Richardson) could no longer receive evidence/information is very telling............and might indicate that Mos does not trust Richardson - and that may have everything to do with what was recovered from your find. That could indicate an intense investigation going on, which would include bringing down many of the corrupt officials as they can. The only thing that makes me possibly discount that scenario - is that statements were not taken from you guys after Dec 29th. That's a little newsmaker there too! That little tid bit came from none other than Rene Gelien herself. She tried to speak with Richardson about her "findings", and he told her all info/evidence had to now go directly to Mos instead of him. I think it was from an Amigoe article near the end of Jan 2008. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 16, 2009, 10:27:40 AM Good Morning, All! Thanks, as always, Jen! ::MonkeyCool:: Did you happen to see where MuminOhio (GM) was accusing you and I of pre-planning our posts together? ::MonkeyHaHa:: Evidently, when you posted the link to the comments on Michelle's site, then I followed the link and we both posted some comments and then began discussing them, which imo is exactly what happens in such a forum, this was perceived as somehow pre-planned! ::MonkeyHaHa:: I wish it had been true, as I was the one maintaining the comments likely had no meaning!! Neither billb or Kermit joined us last night. Do you know if all is well with the frog? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: klaasend on April 16, 2009, 10:50:25 AM I'm wondering if some people might be on vacation right now?
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 16, 2009, 10:50:56 AM Good Morning, All! Thanks, as always, Jen! ::MonkeyCool:: Did you happen to see where MuminOhio (GM) was accusing you and I of pre-planning our posts together? ::MonkeyHaHa:: Evidently, when you posted the link to the comments on Michelle's site, then I followed the link and we both posted some comments and then began discussing them, which imo is exactly what happens in such a forum, this was perceived as somehow pre-planned! ::MonkeyHaHa:: I wish it had been true, as I was the one maintaining the comments likely had no meaning!! Neither billb or Kermit joined us last night. Do you know if all is well with the frog? Good morning, Lifesong. I seldom go ro read what they are saying elsewhere, but found myself smiling at this. If you recall, I mistakenly thought you posted the comments that day, instead of Jen, and it was because you had quickly quoted and remarked about them. It never occurred to me that you & Jen were a tag team...LOL.....and even if you were....so what? ::MonkeyHaHa:: I just checked and Kermit was last active around 3am Easter Sunday and billb around 11pm that night. Maybe they had plans for this week. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 16, 2009, 10:54:25 AM Good Morning, All! Thanks, as always, Jen! ::MonkeyCool:: Did you happen to see where MuminOhio (GM) was accusing you and I of pre-planning our posts together? ::MonkeyHaHa:: Evidently, when you posted the link to the comments on Michelle's site, then I followed the link and we both posted some comments and then began discussing them, which imo is exactly what happens in such a forum, this was perceived as somehow pre-planned! ::MonkeyHaHa:: I wish it had been true, as I was the one maintaining the comments likely had no meaning!! Neither billb or Kermit joined us last night. Do you know if all is well with the frog? Yes ... I did notice. Good Morning All. It is another beautiful day in the Fraser Valley of British Columbia. I wish we had been afforded a portion of this good weather on Easter Sunday. Altlhough the 100+ who witnessed the event were rejoicing on one hand ... on the other hand ... standing on the banks of the Fraser River huddled under useless umbrellas as six new believers from our church were baptized was not fun. Janet 7:55 AM Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 16, 2009, 11:00:28 AM http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0061468797/ref=pe_5050_11768020_snp_dp Beth's book is scheduled to be released in paperback form the last of April. I think this is a very good indication that it has sold well in hardback form. The movie will bolster sales even more I believe. I wish both Dave and Beth's respective books were published in Dutch and sold in Holland. Chances are Aruba would not be receptive to the sale of the books on the Island. Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 16, 2009, 11:02:22 AM Edit please.
respective s/b receptive Thanks Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 16, 2009, 11:06:28 AM Good Morning, All! Thanks, as always, Jen! ::MonkeyCool:: Did you happen to see where MuminOhio (GM) was accusing you and I of pre-planning our posts together? ::MonkeyHaHa:: Evidently, when you posted the link to the comments on Michelle's site, then I followed the link and we both posted some comments and then began discussing them, which imo is exactly what happens in such a forum, this was perceived as somehow pre-planned! ::MonkeyHaHa:: I wish it had been true, as I was the one maintaining the comments likely had no meaning!! Neither billb or Kermit joined us last night. Do you know if all is well with the frog? Good morning, Lifesong. I seldom go ro read what they are saying elsewhere, but found myself smiling at this. If you recall, I mistakenly thought you posted the comments that day, instead of Jen, and it was because you had quickly quoted and remarked about them. It never occurred to me that you & Jen were a tag team...LOL.....and even if you were....so what? ::MonkeyHaHa:: I just checked and Kermit was last active around 3am Easter Sunday and billb around 11pm that night. Maybe they had plans for this week. You are right 2NJSons_Mom. If collaboration is going on behind the scenes in the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway and closure for her family ... so be it. However ... Lovesong implies otherwise. Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 16, 2009, 11:19:59 AM I'm wondering if some people might be on vacation right now? I didn't see this until now.....that's what I was thinking. Some schools are off this week, too. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 16, 2009, 11:22:52 AM Lifesong - No, I didn't see that. I try to ignore the moronic actions of others as much as I can.
I found that I was wanting to toss my monitor out the window when I used to read their nonsense. That could get fairly costly!!!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: I guess some have forgotten what a message board is all about - in that people actually DO interact with each other by way of responding to the posts of others. And yes - Kerm is doing just fine. Our green friend simply has had other obligations to keep busy with lately. ::MonkeyCool:: :smt049 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 16, 2009, 11:32:43 AM Oh, I'm so sure they will rush to apologize!
Don't they always for their nastiness? ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Artcolley on April 16, 2009, 11:33:48 AM I'm wondering if some people might be on vacation right now? Morning ::MonkeyWink:: Some states have Spring Break for the schools this week, and some, (like Maine) have it next week. Many families around here go away for that week. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 16, 2009, 12:00:08 PM You are right 2NJSons_Mom. If collaboration is going on behind the scenes in the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway and closure for her family ... so be it. However ... Lovesong implies otherwise. Janet I've done more than imply it, Janet, I've outright declared it! ::MonkeyHaHa:: To the Haters: Make no mistake, I am honored to be here and to post amongst what I believe to be some extraordinarily good people. I am, however, no more a believer in talking on the phone than I am in cliques and credit. I communicate my thoughts on the message board, not through emails to other posters. Quote Lifesong Re: Natalee Case Discussion #802 2/21/08 - on: February 21, 2009, 04:15:25 PM SS (and all Monkey alum's), While I consider that a compliment, please don't undermine my independence. I'm just me. I'm nobody to anyone involved in this case in any way. I've never communicated off of this public forum with anyone involved in the case, or with any other poster on any of these forums. I've never claimed that have and I never will. <<snipped>> Link to Original Post: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4574.msg684125;topicseen#msg684125 Quote Lifesong Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 - on: January 30, 2009, 02:17:41 PM I appreciate that some posters have formed "real life" friendships and relationships over the course of this case, and I have a healthy respect and affection for really all but a few (SandraK, BonDia, etc.) of the familiar screennames that have posted here all along or post here now. That said, I only ever came here for Natalee so I don't have a problem calling it like I see it. <<snipped>> Link to Original Post: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4460.msg652566;topicseen#msg652566 Quote Lifesong Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 - on: December 18, 2008, 08:29:39 AM I've done better lately at not commenting on all of this, but a few thoughts just won't leave me, so I'm going to put them out there. 1. People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing. Any member of any group, private or public, that is at all concerned with who gets the "credit" if this case is ever solved has completely forgotten why they got involved in the first place. <<snipped>> 3. Anyone - and I do mean anyone - who is more concerned with cliques, credit, a sense of self-importance, or any issue other than Justice for Natalee and Peace for her Family should take a break from this case for the sake of the Natalee and her family. Think about it. It's never been about us. Attorneys don't need internet groups to do their work for them. Yes - you might get lucky and help with a piece of information - but does anyone actually believe that JQK does not have the resources to bring to bear on this case what he can/needs to as things progress? He wouldn't have taken the case and Beth wouldn't have hired him otherwise. <<snipped>> JMO Link to Original Post: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4246.msg589751#msg589751 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 16, 2009, 12:26:33 PM Lifesong - No, I didn't see that. I try to ignore the moronic actions of others as much as I can. I found that I was wanting to toss my monitor out the window when I used to read their nonsense. That could get fairly costly!!!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: I guess some have forgotten what a message board is all about - in that people actually DO interact with each other by way of responding to the posts of others. And yes - Kerm is doing just fine. Our green friend simply has had other obligations to keep busy with lately. ::MonkeyCool:: :smt049 ::MonkeyWink:: Ok, well...if Kermit is stuck in the Smithsonian, just let us know...Magnolia has a really big hatchet! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Buck is a stud now, so I bet Magnolia could saddle him up and ride him to the rescue...wielding that hatchet... I bet CBB would make the rest of us hidey-suits so we can run interference. ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 16, 2009, 12:37:37 PM Lifesong,
::MonkeyCool:: That's why Janet calls you 'Lovesong'. ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 16, 2009, 12:40:10 PM Lifesong, ::MonkeyCool:: That's why Janet calls you 'Lovesong'. ::MonkeyWink:: I often do. Lifesong will just have to get used to it. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 16, 2009, 01:05:54 PM Yes ... I did notice. Good Morning All. It is another beautiful day in the Fraser Valley of British Columbia. I wish we had been afforded a portion of this good weather on Easter Sunday. Altlhough the 100+ who witnessed the event were rejoicing on one hand ... on the other hand ... standing on the banks of the Fraser River huddled under useless umbrellas as six new believers from our church were baptized was not fun. Janet 7:55 AM Janet, I broke my rule upon advice, to get some screenshots. While I was there I actually read a few complete threads. Ldstlou seems to have a compulsive need to make herself feel better about her own posts by putting others' down. Funny, I doubt she is forwarding those posts of hers to the family. ::MonkeyNoNo:: As Jen said, it is tragically sad. It is also hurtful. Janet, I'm so glad you post here! You are an incredible resource and a wealth of knowledge. I mean that in ways both case-related and not. Someday I will be a better grandmother because you have shared your heart here. I'm grateful for you...and your reminders. That said, ldstlou's hypocrisy in posting excerpts of Kyle's email after attacking Kermit...is on the list. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: nonesuche on April 16, 2009, 01:23:46 PM Okay love/lifesong, is it you playing with the light switch today? ::MonkeyNoNo::
::MonkeyHaHa:: I kept trying to sign in and it would go POOF lights out !! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Anyway, could you make sure Magnolia gets this smiley? (http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/daisysistah_bucket/Smileys/1fbc0631.gif) oh and here's one for the you-know-who-moo crowd (http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/daisysistah_bucket/Smileys/xanimal_pruttko1a.gif) lotta hot air ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 16, 2009, 01:27:43 PM Welcome all Monkeys, to... Today's Random Blast from the Past: Quote 89??? you aint no dam 89 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/Smileys/default/075.gif) http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2424.msg314141#msg314141 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2009, 02:17:06 PM #51 on: February 18, 2009, 08:15:59 AM ldstlou
One thing I CAN say, I don't talk bad about people behind their backs!! <snip> Hypocrites do "disgust" me http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4554.msg677981#msg677981 POOPY PANTS LIES #760 on: Today at 09:37:41 PM ldstlou I am also a Monkey that has always respected Klaas. I don't talk behind peoples' back <snip> I am open and honest about who I speak to and in regards to what <snip> I don't "hidey hole".. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.760 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 16, 2009, 02:20:56 PM Oh, Kermit....I am so pleased as punch to see you. ::MonkeyDance:: I've been worried.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2009, 02:23:13 PM Reply #35 on: December 31, 2008, 12:09:02 PM ldstlou
I am not an idiot and don't believe I have been mislead. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4328.msg605197#msg605197 I don't think she was mislead either, in my opinion, I think she lied on purpose and when she can't get her way she threatens people! Idstlou "Why do you want personal information on Kermit?" http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.420 ldstlou HMMMMMM! New Lawsuit and It Ain't Dr. Phil « on: Today at 06:27:57 pm » I was just tipped off to an upcoming lawsuit and it ain't Dr. Phil's!! Me thinks you should not be slandering the names of good businessmen nor spitting on them either, http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4554.msg682917#msg682917 tick.....tock Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2009, 02:24:34 PM Oh, Kermit....I am so pleased as punch to see you. ::MonkeyDance:: I've been worried. Sorry, to worry anyone. Had some personal business to tend to. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2009, 02:26:06 PM Buck's tail is growing back nicely. We are so pleased. The two new Nubian nanny goats think Buck is hot with or without a tail. We have a nice little goat family now. ::MonkeyHaHa:: billb's uncle bubba just called back. Says he'll trade the cow for one of them fancy Nubian goats. [/quote] Magnolia - the little goat herder! With and without tails. ::MonkeyLaugh:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Magnolia on April 16, 2009, 02:30:49 PM Buck's tail is growing back nicely. We are so pleased. The two new Nubian nanny goats think Buck is hot with or without a tail. We have a nice little goat family now. ::MonkeyHaHa:: billb's uncle bubba just called back. Says he'll trade the cow for one of them fancy Nubian goats. Magnolia - the little goat herder! With and without tails. ::MonkeyLaugh:: [/quote] Yodel oh de lady, oh de lady who! ::MonkeyLaugh:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2009, 02:36:25 PM KTF - we need you! I'm unfocused and jumping from subject to subject, etc. Hotping - what the heck are we supposed to be working on anyway?? HOW ABOUT THE POND HOAX GANG AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING NOW AT SM Here is some of what CAPS and his buddies have been checking since the Pond search ended: Search words: Natalee Holloway found Search words: yolanda vrolijk What ever happened to the evidence on the front page of SM Search Words 13 years old girls in aruba to talk to online FROM last July same person was looking at In Jul 14 2008 11:54:29 am**aruba petrobras co Jul 17 2008 8:56:53 pm** refinery aruba pollution Jul 15 2008 8:26:47 pm**WinXP**Explorer 6.0**FunWebProducts**marisol tromp mep Jul 16 2008 3:47:02 pm ** azv aruba Jul 16 2008 4:44:58 pm ** emilio geerman aruba prison Search Words alex matthew aruba KW checking 24ora.com june 20 Search Words: solognier epi aruba Jul 16 2008 jet blue aircraft aruba Search Words aline hibbert Search Words san nicolas brothel Search words cuerpo especial arubano CAPS CHECKING JENS POST ABOUT THE LATITUDE AND AREA CAPS IS CHECKING ON KERMIT CAPS looking up .... Otmar Oduber? otmar oduber facebook bongo bar aruba - April 7, 2009 natalee holloway April 8, 2009 xtc aruba April 8, 2009 brendabouwman April 8, 2009 hiram vrolijk April 9, 2009 Search Words marguerita wever April 9, 2009 Search Words richard lacle April 8, 9 2009 Search Words natalee holloway April 10, 2009 Search Words caballos randy habibe April 11, 2009 Search Words radar near california lighthouse in aruba April 11, 2009 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Mere on April 16, 2009, 02:42:28 PM Good Morning Monkeys....
Kermit....glad to see you.... :) OT to Kentucky monkeys....2 dangerous prison escapees from Palatka, Florida are thought to be here....one car abandoned in Monroe County.....don't pick up hitchhikers...! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2009, 02:47:48 PM POOPY PANTS CONTACTS THE FAMILY AND DISTORTS TRUTH
#555 on: Today at 04:30:55 PM ldstlou Once again...what I spoke to Jug about was: there is a reporter from California who is saying that photos there is a sort of "conspiracy" with members of the Persistence and she believes there was information and evidence gathered that has been with held from the family.http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.540 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2009, 02:50:43 PM Good Morning Monkeys.... Kermit....glad to see you.... :) OT to Kentucky monkeys....2 dangerous prison escapees from Palatka, Florida are thought to be here....one car abandoned in Monroe County.....don't pick up hitchhikers...! and lock your car doors when driving. Be safe everyone Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2009, 02:52:51 PM Good Morning, All! Thanks, as always, Jen! ::MonkeyCool:: Did you happen to see where MuminOhio (GM) was accusing you and I of pre-planning our posts together? ::MonkeyHaHa:: Evidently, when you posted the link to the comments on Michelle's site, then I followed the link and we both posted some comments and then began discussing them, which imo is exactly what happens in such a forum, this was perceived as somehow pre-planned! ::MonkeyHaHa:: I wish it had been true, as I was the one maintaining the comments likely had no meaning!! Neither billb or Kermit joined us last night. Do you know if all is well with the frog? Not really surprising, considering at one time she was convinced she was being stalked by what was more than likely her own computer cookies. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 16, 2009, 02:55:54 PM Buck's tail is growing back nicely. We are so pleased. The two new Nubian nanny goats think Buck is hot with or without a tail. We have a nice little goat family now. ::MonkeyHaHa:: billb's uncle bubba just called back. Says he'll trade the cow for one of them fancy Nubian goats. Magnolia - the little goat herder! With and without tails. ::MonkeyLaugh:: Yodel oh de lady, oh de lady who! ::MonkeyLaugh:: [/quote] ::MonkeyLaugh:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2009, 02:59:44 PM Not really surprising, considering at one time she was convinced she was being stalked by what was more than likely her own computer cookies. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Wasn't she the one telling everyone she was banned from SM and Klassend had to explain to her she changed her email which changed her access. ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyWaa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2009, 03:01:51 PM Not really surprising, considering at one time she was convinced she was being stalked by what was more than likely her own computer cookies. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Wasn't she the one telling everyone she was banned from SM and Klassend had to explain to her she changed her email which changed her access. ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyWaa:: Yes, among other things! ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyConfused:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 16, 2009, 03:11:36 PM Not really surprising, considering at one time she was convinced she was being stalked by what was more than likely her own computer cookies. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Wasn't she the one telling everyone she was banned from SM and Klassend had to explain to her she changed her email which changed her access. ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyWaa:: Yes, among other things! ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyConfused:: Did she ask about keyloggers? Then.....the corporation thing.....I was surprised, and still am surprised. :smt102 Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 16, 2009, 03:14:28 PM ::MonkeyDance::
I have a new look. I got tired of having Rudolf on my back all the time. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 16, 2009, 03:23:26 PM ::MonkeyDance:: I have a new look. I got tired of having Rudolf on my back all the time. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ... and looking like a rainbow colored fish is the new look??? ::MonkeyNoNo:: Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 16, 2009, 03:27:32 PM Yes ... I did notice. Good Morning All. It is another beautiful day in the Fraser Valley of British Columbia. I wish we had been afforded a portion of this good weather on Easter Sunday. Altlhough the 100+ who witnessed the event were rejoicing on one hand ... on the other hand ... standing on the banks of the Fraser River huddled under useless umbrellas as six new believers from our church were baptized was not fun. Janet 7:55 AM Janet, I broke my rule upon advice, to get some screenshots. While I was there I actually read a few complete threads. Ldstlou seems to have a compulsive need to make herself feel better about her own posts by putting others' down. Funny, I doubt she is forwarding those posts of hers to the family. ::MonkeyNoNo:: As Jen said, it is tragically sad. It is also hurtful. Janet, I'm so glad you post here! You are an incredible resource and a wealth of knowledge. I mean that in ways both case-related and not. Someday I will be a better grandmother because you have shared your heart here. I'm grateful for you...and your reminders. That said, ldstlou's hypocrisy in posting excerpts of Kyle's email after attacking Kermit...is on the list. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyShocked:: Lifesong ... have you been into Magnolia and AZSunny's spike sweet tea. Keep drinking. Thanks ::MonkeyCool:: Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 16, 2009, 03:27:39 PM ::MonkeyDance:: I have a new look. I got tired of having Rudolf on my back all the time. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ... and looking like a rainbow colored fish is the new look??? ::MonkeyNoNo:: Janet ::MonkeyTongue:: Yeppers!!! If nothing else - it will help wake everyone up in the mornings! ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 16, 2009, 03:28:37 PM ::MonkeyDance:: I have a new look. I got tired of having Rudolf on my back all the time. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Wow! That's one big, colorful fish, Jen! But it is time to remove The Red Nosed One as it would seem to have been a cruel hoax all along. Is there no update on the recent search of the pond? No announcement of the results or lack thereof? I thought this was such as sure thing and all Dave had to do was go down and claim the body, etc. Someone should be explaining all this to this family and also to the rest of us for the deceit. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 16, 2009, 03:30:40 PM ::MonkeyDance:: I have a new look. I got tired of having Rudolf on my back all the time. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Wow! That's one big, colorful fish, Jen! But it is time to remove The Red Nosed One as it would seem to have been a cruel hoax all along. Is there no update on the recent search of the pond? No announcement of the results or lack thereof? I thought this was such as sure thing and all Dave had to do was go down and claim the body, etc. Someone should be explaining all this to this family and also to the rest of us for the deceit. :smt003 I got it from CBB's stash. And everything you said - oh so true! Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 16, 2009, 03:33:06 PM oceanexploration Natalee Holloway / Archived Topics / Re: OPEN DISCUSSION - NATALEE - DEC. 2007 on: December 10, 2007, 03:12:04 PM This is true. Not to mention all the leading news agency's on board. It's not good form to "off" volunteers, reporters, and their producers. Anyhow, I'm really not concerned. I trust the Lord fully, I will not be afraid. I still try to avoid situations of martyrdom. LOL http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7935.msg298696#msg298696 Considering the above are Kyle Kingman's own words ... as one of the woman I most admire would say ... "Greta, this is huge". Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 16, 2009, 03:34:56 PM After months of these claims and others telling those who didn't believe WLC to shut up, risking his life, etc. are they just going to pretend none of that ever happened?
What the heck? How can people just simply change the subject and move along as though none of that happened? Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 16, 2009, 03:37:24 PM ::MonkeyDance:: I have a new look. I got tired of having Rudolf on my back all the time. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ... and looking like a rainbow colored fish is the new look??? ::MonkeyNoNo:: Janet ::MonkeyTongue:: Yeppers!!! If nothing else - it will help wake everyone up in the mornings! ::MonkeyCool:: I am always the last to know about the latest fashions. Maybe it because I shop at Walmart. Well off to the boutiques in the mall. I bet my hubby will take notice of me when I return. He loves fishing. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Later, Janet 12:40 PM Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 16, 2009, 03:55:18 PM ::MonkeyDance:: I have a new look. I got tired of having Rudolf on my back all the time. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ... and looking like a rainbow colored fish is the new look??? ::MonkeyNoNo:: Janet ::MonkeyTongue:: Yeppers!!! If nothing else - it will help wake everyone up in the mornings! ::MonkeyCool:: I am always the last to know about the latest fashions. Maybe it because I shop at Walmart. Well off to the boutiques in the mall. I bet my hubby will take notice of me when I return. He loves fishing. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Later, Janet 12:40 PM Fashion smashion!! You just give your hubby one of these next time he decides to not notice you. Then you don't have to notice him either. (http://bestsmileys.com/funny/2.gif) (And that's the only one I'm giving you, so keep it safe! )(http://bestsmileys.com/bouncing/5.gif) Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Tamikosmom on April 16, 2009, 04:10:09 PM ::MonkeyDance:: I have a new look. I got tired of having Rudolf on my back all the time. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ... and looking like a rainbow colored fish is the new look??? ::MonkeyNoNo:: Janet ::MonkeyTongue:: Yeppers!!! If nothing else - it will help wake everyone up in the mornings! ::MonkeyCool:: I am always the last to know about the latest fashions. Maybe it because I shop at Walmart. Well off to the boutiques in the mall. I bet my hubby will take notice of me when I return. He loves fishing. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Later, Janet 12:40 PM Fashion smashion!! You just give your hubby one of these next time he decides to not notice you. Then you don't have to notice him either. (http://bestsmileys.com/funny/2.gif) (And that's the only one I'm giving you, so keep it safe! )(http://bestsmileys.com/bouncing/5.gif) jen ... I have put my hidey bag away in a very secure location on the hard drive and ... will retrieve it when I deem the Aruban "powers that be" are closing in. ::MonkeyHaHa:: BTW ... don't hit me but ... do you have access to my big yellow hidey bag or ... was it tossed into that bonfire. It fit my big head just perfectly. Thanks Janet Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: jen3560 on April 16, 2009, 04:13:38 PM Mmmmm..............wingnut might be able to find that for you. I think she hid that one somewhere.
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Anna on April 16, 2009, 04:15:51 PM O/T
Iraqi-Born Dutch Citizen Pleads Guilty to Terrorism Conspiracy Against Americans in Iraq Defendant Also Agrees to Plead Guilty to Beating D.C. Prison Guard Unconscious http://washingtondc.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel09/wfo022609.htm Update: This guy was sentenced to 25 years today. No real connection other than Dutch citizen and I do see KLPD mentioned. And the charge of murdering U.S. citizens overseas is also interesting but seems to be specifically written for our military. Suspect was extradited from the Netherlands to stand trial in this country, too. Can think of someone else I would like to see extradited to stand trial in this country. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 16, 2009, 05:24:32 PM Just because it hasn't been posted in a while: ::MonkeyHaHa::
2NJSons_Mom, Cageman, Lifesong, Helen Back, Magnolia and 16 Guests are viewing this topic. Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - 4/16/09 Post by: Nut44x4 on April 16, 2009, 05:29:10 PM ::MonkeyCool:: 8 more posts to lock up, I think ::MonkeyCool::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - 4/16/09 Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 16, 2009, 05:29:54 PM Nut,
I'm ready & you're ready and nobody's talkn'.... ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyTongue:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - 4/16/09 Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 16, 2009, 05:31:05 PM ::MonkeyCool:: 8 more posts to lock up, I think ::MonkeyCool:: Yep, give or take. ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - Post by: Lifesong on April 16, 2009, 05:34:02 PM O/T - I've spent a productive afternoon working on other business...and clearing the way for free-time Friday. (my favorite!) ::MonkeyDance:: But...I've had the news on in the background, as usual. Today is Sandra Cantu's memorial. So heartbreaking. These unthinkable cases are proof to me that evolution is a flawed theory. As an "evolving" species, we should have weeded this out of the collective gene pool already. These unthinkable cases are also further proof to me that though God rules over the Heavens... until the Messiah returns...Satan is charge of the earth. God Bless and cherish the eternal soul of Sandra Cantu and comfort all those who will miss her. ::MonkeyWaa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - 4/16/09 Post by: Nut44x4 on April 16, 2009, 05:34:35 PM Taco Pina ::MonkeyLaugh::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - 4/16/09 Post by: MuffyBee on April 16, 2009, 05:34:47 PM Good afternoon monks
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - 4/16/09 Post by: Nut44x4 on April 16, 2009, 05:35:40 PM I agree Lifesong...
too many sicko's in this world ::MonkeyWaa:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - 4/16/09 Post by: MuffyBee on April 16, 2009, 05:36:13 PM Taco Pina ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - 4/16/09 Post by: MuffyBee on April 16, 2009, 05:36:56 PM Are we there yet? Are we there yet? ::MonkeyDance::
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - 4/16/09 Post by: Nut44x4 on April 16, 2009, 05:37:05 PM :cheers: Muffy
Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - 4/16/09 Post by: Lifesong on April 16, 2009, 05:37:10 PM Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - 4/16/09 Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 16, 2009, 05:37:14 PM You're absolutely right, Lifesong.
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