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Agree about the 'pastors' wife.. she gives me the creeps too, but not sure why...and did not want to say it,but since others did.well,she is creepy..

got locked out while typing this post..

Quote from Nor Rose "hmmm, makes me wonder about their own kids and grandkids, hate to say it."
I am wondering about this as well. I wonder if Sandra found out something about the GG daughter and her relationship with her grandparents and that perhaps led to her demise.

OK, maybe my hinky meter needs more coffee, but to me they look like a normal 'senior citizen couple". I am sure they are both feeling enormous stress being in the spotlight right now.  They may be guilty of something, but I sure can't tell it by their appearance. 

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/30132729#30132729

Today interview with the mom  and aunt. The mom is heart broken.

On this video it shows Williams letting the pastor into the church. I have seen Williams, but I can't for the life of me where. His hair is dyed, you can tell at the roots. Wasn't there something about hair dye?

has as check on Williams been done? Where does he work or where did he live before, is he married? Something about him is concerning to me...I know I have seen his face somewhere  and for some reason it is not a good feeling

thanks for the link tracygirl, I believe blinkoncrime.com has a post with info. on williams and his background

That was heartwrenching.

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Watching Sandra's mom on the Today show was absolutely gut-wrenching.   

Odd about the stolen suitcase - Williams said he reported it, though LE says no stolen luggage was reported.   Why would he lie about this?  Who is he covering for?  Himself?  The "Pastor" or a member of his family?

Clarice posted this in the last thread:

It was said on the local news a few minutes ago that the KIA suv may be involved in the crime. The owner of the vehicle is the grand daughter of the Pastor. I have not read this thread and this may be old news to you but I thought I would mention it anyway....Channel 2 San Francisco.

Wonder if the granddaughter is married or has a boyfriend.

Oh, wait.  I guess that's the Melissa Lawless/Huckaby from yesterday maybe.  I'm so loaded up on medicine, I don't know up from down.

Thanks I recalled there was some info on him there. I lived on that side of town a long time ago, not near him though. look at his face, it is not one easily forgotten!

That is interesting, I don't know anything about this person, but I read somewhere he is married.  ::MonkeyEek::

Yes, I'm sorry to hear you are sick.

ITA AZSunny.  While they may indeed be involved, hard to tell anything from photos.  Even if not involved, their whole lives are coming crashing down around them. Stress, fear, perhaps that one of their family or associates are involved, disbelief . . . Can't really judge under such circumstances. 

K90hana, O/T but I love your avi.  We have a golden lab at home, she's our baby girl!

Thanks, NoRose.  I hate having a foggy head!

Aww thanks, his name is Goose. He is my 5 year old sons best buddy, he calls Goose: "Goosie Man". He is an incredible dog.

Good afternoon Monks (http://bestsmileys.com/waving/5.gif) 
Since we have new monkeys, I wanted to call attention to our thread in the Lounge, "Our Four-Legged Friends".  It's a great place to post pics of our pets and chat about them.  (http://bestsmileys.com/dogs/4.gif)   (http://bestsmileys.com/cats2/19.gif)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=569.360 

I have one all the time from allergies, and following all the cases I am, I get confused with names, and what case sometimes.

Lol, how cute!  They really are great family dogs.

CSI back at mobile park.  http://cbs13.com/local/sandra.cantu.memorial.2.980518.html

I just heard on HLN that there is going to be a presser in about 20 minutes.  I think about funeral plans.  I hope they get enough to catch this monster sooner than later.

Thanks, me too.

# Coming Up
# Live: Press Conference On Sandra Cantu Case

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  hey everyone.. was not going to say anything , but i have seen this 3 times at different times..at 2 different interviews at first i really did not think nothing of it.and it prolly don't mean nothing..hear it goes i was watching hln yesterday and at 2 different times it showed a camera go real close up. it looked like it was a wooden rail maybe with what appears to be black thread attached to it.  like there was something racked like pulled over it..i do not know where this was at when it took place..but i seen it again today about 30 minutes ago..it is almost like someone is saying "hey world look at this.....  it is something that i saw 3 times...there it is again after the grandpaw says.  who ever did this, it goes straight over there and zooms in on it..but i seen the same thing at one other time..i kinda feel stupid for even bringing  to anyones attention but hear ya go..please don't laugh at me..lol you just never know anymore...

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/

It is already started, missed the begining

??  What video are you watching.  We can't look if you don't give us a clue.

I'm sorry I don't follow, can you post a link?

it is on hln...is where i have been seeing it..i wrote it in my post...sorry about that..head line news

When the Sund family murders happened.. Steven Steiner's brother worked at the motel in which the sund females were staying.. The F.B.I. interviewed him and went off in other directions never even noticing it was the brother of The Steven Steiner the kidnap victim.

The F.B.I. profilers never seen him..

Then He went out and murdered a ranger woman.. and they still had no clue..

I had a buddy who was searching for that woman and they were within 50 feet of her and never seen her body.. she was only 100 yards away from a cabin.. sad

This guys actually turned himself in later, he was frustrated with police and very mentally damaged..he knew he was wrong and was beyond helping himself..he had moments of insanity.. and he leads investigators to the sund daughters location..

My point is this..

25-55 ..they have seen them younger and older, that pretty much covers half the world..

They are clueless if this retired agent is correct in what she says..

Anyways... I am still betting on some form of vengeance..
a possible teenager upset at the family ? the tire slasher.. coward
slashing tires is a coward act.. murder a child a coward act.
just my humble opinion..

OK, so you are watching an interview on HLN?  Was it a live interview?

That was the most confusing press conference. What letter were they referring to, something about from Sandra to her killer? Then what man in lathrop?

Going to get coffee.....

Wait what? I couldn't hear the press conference the kids were running around being wild and crazy.

I missed part of it, hopefully there will be a transcript of the video online shortly

FWIW Edward I am beginning to wonder about that myself. But murder seems extreme for vindication of a supposed wrong. To go from tire slashing to murder is a stretch, however if it WAS a teen who was looking to get a "rise" out of this family a child would be 1) more likely to "trust" a kid their own generation 2) Easier for a teen to kill a child than an adult. But... where to come up with the car and the suitcase, that almost seems to methodical for a teen. Has there been any TV shows depicting similar scenarios?

Am I correct in what I heard on the live presser? The person who came forward with the suitcase info ( williams) is NOT a POI?

Not sure if this was previously posted yet...IM bouncing between threads    This morning's Today Show

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/30132729#30132729

well the 1 video that i keep seeing in the last couple of hours, is the one where sandra's grandpaw is talking, and it is when he says the person who ever did this to sandra is a monster.

What's up about the letter from Sandra to her killer? I heard something like that also.

Front entrance to mhp right in front of the clubhouse. They picked up a "strange letter" that said, "from Sandra to her killer" they have not opened it yet. It was placed there sometime after the memorial was taken down (that was per the presser that just happened)

The sargent was speaking about a man in Lathrop (a city maybe 10 miles from Tracy) came forward with a theory about the suitcase. He was asked if this person is a POI, he said no.

They just mentioned on Foxnews that the LE are examining the contents of a letter that was left at the memorial.  In the press converence, it sounded as though they don't think it's anything.

Probably a venting letter left by one of the many people in this town who are very angry!

Just some nut case, probably  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I can just imagine how angry and shocked the people in the area are. I hope they are not angry with LE, they seem to be doing a fine job.

We are thankful the FBI is helping the LE here. Tracy PD does not have the best record of handling things correctly.  It is not uncommon to hear a victim of a crime had to wait hours for an officer to respond only to have whatever happened sort of shrugged off. In 2008 we received a high place in the rankings for safest city, not safe, just not everything reported. Example, remember reading the grandparents reported the kiss that happened? They ended up going to the police station several times, but nothing would be done? Well that is an example of what I am talking about.
We have a new Police chief, hopefully these things change.

Tracy police are examining the contents of an envelope found Thursday morning at the memorial for eight-year old Sandra Cantu. Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman says the outside of the envelope read "From Sandra to my killer."  Investigators aren't yet sure if the note is connected to the girl's disappearance and murder.  Sgt. Sheneman says authorities are continuing to follow leads developed over the last several days.  He says investigators "have not focused on any one individual."

http://www.kron.com/

Thanks Tracygirl.  ::MonkeyWink::

" My wife and I live in Canada. And we are so upset about this. We were so praying that she was going to be found alive. I don't want to think about all the possible things that could have happened to her. Just please, I hope she did not suffer. But now I am angry. And I mean really angry. I have started a petition to toughen the laws for sex offenders here http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/change-sex-offender-laws  (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/change-sex-offender-laws) No more children should die. No More! Our elected officials need to protect our children, AND theirs. These violent offenders need to be kept away from Society forever. They can not be cured. And it is more inhumane and unfair to release them to kill again. WHO suffers? The innocent children of our world! Enough is Enough!"
 I found this under one of the comment sections on a newspaper article. I signed it!

Thank you Fanny and welcome to the cage!!

wait monkeys... what about the guy they hauled in for interfering with the investigation??? lives right there in the park... anyone have info on him?????

Christian Sinclair, 49 but other then that I have no real info.

Christopher Sinclair

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/02/search-for-sandra-cantu-focuses-on-old-river/

Thanks, excellent idea.

Tracy press had him as Christian Sinclair but I think Klaas is right I think it is Christopher.

*snipped* "Christian Sinclair, 49 — who’s depicted in court records as abusive and alcoholic — was arrested last week for obstructing the investigation. Police searched his home, too." - Tracy Press

So do we know for sure if it is Christopher or Christian? Does he go by both or just bad reporting with the wrong name in print?

Can someone post a photo for me please???

Now,  he is one that 'looks' capable of such a crime.  He is freaky scary to me.   ::MonkeyEek::

There is a photo of him in Klaas's thread.

Cary Lee Sinclair

http://www.nsopw.gov/Core/ResultDetails.aspx?index=0&x=C9147CB2-86DE-460B-88B8-D921421DE78A

anyone see a resemblance?? I do..

Yeah, not sure if it's Christopher or Cristian but Blink has some info on him. 

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Link wont work for me

I looked up Cary Lee and I too can see some similarities. Wonder if they are related?

Sgt. Tony Sheneman told reporters that authorities are headed in the right direction in the case of Sandra Cantu, but wouldn't give details.

"The focus is not as broad as when the investigation began," Sheneman said.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/04/07/state/n004337D55.DTL&tsp=1

Different person IMO

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Oh I agree different person, just wonder if there is a relation.

for anyone to leave a note like that is totally sick !

Those guys look so similar and yet not... geewiz..

Yes, horrible.

That's what I was thinking.  ::MonkeyConfused::

I am wondering the same thing..

I just signed the petition!  Thank you for getting this started.  We NEED tougher laws on these folks!

I just found this very interesting about Chris Sinclair
"Sinclair has had other run-ins with the law, court records show, including a charge of being intoxicated in public and restraining orders from his parents and a woman who lived near him.

Criminal records show that in February 2003, Rebecca Crowther, who lived in Orchard Estates, served Sinclair with a restraining order. In a form, Crowther wrote that on Jan. 6, 2003, Sinclair grabbed the back of her neck and slammed it against a car’s windshield. She said that he pounded her head into the steering wheel until she lost consciousness.

Crowther wrote that then “he is always abusive verbally and emotionally.” Later that month, Sinclair threatened her with a gun and called her derogatory names, she charged.

Christian Sinclair was also served a restraining order by his parents, Sammie and Conrad Sinclair, who also lived at Orchard Estates. According to a form that Sammie Sinclair filled out, on Feb. 17, 2004, Christian Sinclair forced himself into her mobile home.

Sammie Sinclair wrote that she was worried that she would be evicted because of her son’s behavior, that he was an alcoholic and drug user, that he had broken many rules at the park, and that he shouted obscenities at her.

Records show that he has also gone by the names of Christian P. Sinclair and *Brandon C. Sinclair."

(Brandon is his brother who committed Suicide in 2004)

Wow, OK so Williams is lying which I think we had all suspected. It is nice to now have solid conformation that the guy is a bonafide creep and maybe more. Obviously he is trying to cover something up.
Now the other Williams (Johnny), where was this boat he allegedly saw Fred Williams and Sandra aboard on the 2nd?

TY Blink. I am liking this guy if you get my drift.
He lied. How convenient to have a Garage Sale.
He has keys.
He would have been around with no one taking much notice, eh ?

 

My fear is this case is dying out. The press conferences are not getting as much attention or coverage. kcra didn't have a live feed even. There were half the amount of mic's there today. There is nothing more to talk about, we have nothing new, no arrest has been named not even a suspect named or a POI. Mean while these people are free to come and go. Is anyone following them? We are all waiting 4 weeks to see what the coroners report says?
I wish I shared every one's optimism this person will be caught. Odds are in the criminals favor, I fear. How many of these cases are actually solved?

I am beginning to doubt there is that much evidence in this case at all. Why would they allow the person they feel did this to run around the city? The pastor and Williams had a service last night at an undesclosed location. Frank Wohler is conducting classes, Slayter and Sinclair have been reported coming and going. If these are the people who didn't do this and they feel they know but can't arrest, at least let us know who to protect our children from!
 
Any body on this board who lived in the same city where a crime like this occured? How did you cope with it? How long until you felt you could let your child get the newspaper from the driveway without holding thier hand.

ONLY ON FOX40: Man Says He Knows Who Killed Sandra Cantu
 

FOX40 News

April 9, 2009

TRACY - Johnny Williams is sure he know who killed Sandra Cantu.

Williams drove from Oakland Sunday afternoon to hand-deliver his lead to Tracy police during an afternoon press conference.  Afterward, he told media that he believes he saw Sandra with a man on a boat the week prior.

Now, speaking exclusively to FOX40 News, Williams says he spotted the same man talking with media the day after Sandra Cantu's body was found.

FOX40 News won't show the man Williams accuses of murdering Sandra Cantu; however, Williams describes the man as being "heavyset with a thick moustache."

Authorities told FOX40 Thursday afternoon that they've investigated Williams' lead with no results.

Sandra Cantu's body was recovered from a sealed piece of black luggage found floating in an irrigation canal by farm workers on Monday afternoon.

On Tuesday, the pastor of a Baptist church near Sandra Cantu's home had been questioned by police in connection with Sandra's murder.  Pastor Lane Lawless denies having any connection to Sandra's murder.

Prior to her body's recovery, Sandra Cantu's father agreed to and passed a polygraph test given by authorities.

Authorities continue to insist that, while nobody has been ruled out as a person of interest, that they do not have one specific suspect or a group of suspects in mind that they are focusing on.


http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sandra_cantu/?ONLY-ON-FOX40-Man-Says-He-Knows-Who-Kill=1&blockID=262627&feedID=2674

So, I know I'm not really following this case very closely ... so ya'll can scream at me ... but, FOX reporter said earlier that this looked like a "hit" ... intimating that it may be aimed at someone in the family ... and not a sexual predator type murder ... and the only reason I could see as to why they were reporting that way is that she was found clothed.  Just wondered why they stated that ... and if there is anything out there ... that supported their story? ...

First of all Newfie I have to say, I love your signature.

There is a theory being floated that this was some type of vengeance perhaps toward the grandfather. His tires had been slashed previously that is why he had the cameras installed on the mobile home. I believe this is with in the realm of possibility. I still like Williams for it though, at least some part of it.

Ah ... I do need to follow this tragedy more closely.  I guess I just cannot fathom why anyone would murder a child for vengeance against her family ... but I guess I don't understand pedophiles either.  I'm all for sending them to some really small, arid, deserted island ... no food, water or shelter ... if they live ... good for them ... if they don't ... good for us.  (I'm in a mood today!)

And yep ... hoping OCSO is working on that signature line ... that whole family deserves some jail time in my opinion! 

It is being assumed they killed her shortly after taking her. We do not know when she died and how long they may have kept her around. If they were making movies with this poor little girl, it would take a while. We know it was shorter then 10 days, that is it. 

Tracygirl, we wont let this case die down. You an I can march our happy buts to the police station with signs reading "justice for Sandra" if that is what we have to do to keep media interest.

Holy crap.  I sure hope they checked out any computer Fred Willams may have had access to (early on).....we know they checked out the Pastor's and maybe he used it at some point. 

I still can't even figure out why there was even a need for any type of groundskeeper there.    ::MonkeyEek::   

That Fred has some 'splaining to do....

http://www.kcra.com/video/9292412/index.html

Press conference. At least KCRA is there!

Wow, thanks Blink.

Thanks for the heads up!

New 10 is as well.

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline (http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline)

I definitely get your frustration, Tracygirl.  If I lived there, I would feel the same way.  Actually I DO feel the same way and probably will no matter where I live.  I don't know that I'll ever feel safe with my daughter outside without me until she's much older.  I just view these poor kids as prey.  All it takes is that one person and just a few seconds.   I get frustrated with my husband at times because he doesn't operate the same way.  I just don't understand it.

As far as our not hearing anything big lately as far as the progress of the investigation, I'm taking that as a very good sign.  I think LE is taking every precaution to do things the right way and avoid the confusion and controversy caused when too much is released to the public.  It's a great way to keep "the bad guys" from knowing what they know - or what they don't know. 

I have a very good feeling about this one - I think this POS will be caught and will go down hard.  I wouldn't say that if this same gut feeling hadn't served me well in several other cases and in countless situations in my everyday life.

Keep the faith, Tracygirl!  The Monkeys won't let this die down anyway!

 ::MonkeyDance::

Where did he see the boat? Did he name the water way? This poor man has been trying to get anyone and everyone to listen to him. This is huge if it is true. I know I have seen him somewhere, still can't recall.

Which Williams are you talking about when you say he looks familiar?  Fred or Johnny?

That fred guy. I know that face and the name fred going with it. I do not have a favorable impression though, but for the life of me I cannot recall where I have seen him.

Who would speak on Sandra's behalf  saying she forgives the killer???

Hmmm.  I thought you were talking about him, but then thought maybe it was the other Williams that I hadn't heard about before.

What kind of feeling do you get when you see his picture?  I know you said you don't have a favorable impression of him, but is it any more specific than that?  (Anger, fear, the creeps, etc.)

http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sandra_cantu/?ONLY-ON-FOX40-Man-Says-He-Knows-Who-Kill=1&blockID=262627&feedID=2674

ANOTHER ARTICLE ABOUT GUY WHO CLAIMS TO HAVE SEEN SANDRA W/FRED WILLIAMS IN BOAT.

I got a bad vibe from him when he gave a interview stating that the Pastor would say something like the parents should have been watching her at all times, it just struck me that he was saying it was Sandra's parents fault for letting her play with out constant supervision.  Seemed to me like something a peddie would say...placing the blame on the child or the parents.  JMO  I can't locate the exact interview at the moment, I think it was his second one?

slimmy, like he did something that made me want to vomit or made me feel uncomfortable.

I wonder if he was ever a custodian at a school or other church before. 

Whoa.  That's an odd remark for him to have made.  You'd think that someone not involved or guilty of something wouldn't have a need to shift blame.

He sure believes what he saw, and at this point I believe him. I wonder if Fred has a boat or access to one?

I think it may have been I met him, Maybe at the super market, or fast food place, may have been through my job and the way he looked at me made me uncomfortable. I think it wasn't that big of a deal, not like he attacked me or something. sort of like a passing thing. One of those small moments in your life  that didn't mean all that much but left you with an impression? 

I was just thinking that.  You've probably seen him a time or two (or more, if it's a small enough town) in passing. 

I believe him too. I know how he feels and how frustrating it can be when you have a lead yet the police will not hear you. Happened to me a long time ago and unfortunately the person in my story died too. He has done a good job getting his story out there.

A lot of people here have boats, there are a lot of water ways. I think I read he lived in Oakdale? Doesn't sinclair have a cousin who had a boat, the house was searched? 

I hope to God that nobody would make little Sandra suffer for someone else has done. That is a sick thing to do if this ends up being true. Time will tell. She was found in enough time to tell if she was raped, which would hopefully give LE DNA to compare to their suspects. I have a feeling they will get the people that did this very soon.

Yes, and I believe the boat was in their driveway.

She has not even been put to rest yet.. Nobody would have that right.

I just watched the video and I must say I believe him too. He seemed very sure of what he saw. I wish they would have issued that Amber Alert sooner.

Prayers for Sandra's family

People often swear they see children that have been abducted.  So many kids look the same from a distance.  My bet is Sandra was killed in the park and was put in the luggage in the park.  I don't think she was alive on April 1 or 2.

http://tracypress.com

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Memorial service set
by Jennifer Wadsworth
04.09.09 - 06:09 pm

Memorial services for a slain Tracy girl are set for next week, police announced today.

The family of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu plans to hold private and public services. The public one will take place at 1 p.m. April 16 at West High School, 1775 W. Lowell Road, in Tracy. It’ll be held inside the school’s gym with overflow in the cafeteria, said Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman, adding that there should be enough space for about 2,500 people.

He asked on behalf of Sandra’s family that people in the meantime stop placing gifts outside Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where the girl lived, because of the rainy weather and because it’s too painful for the family to see every time they drive by.

City crews late Wednesday night dismantled a massive shrine to the murder victim.

The memorial had doubled in size since Monday, when news got out that farmworkers found Sandra’s remains crammed inside a black rolling suitcase, which someone dropped into a manure-laced dairy lagoon north of town. The family had reported her missing on March 27.

One letter city workers found as they took away all the items was a note addressed “to my killer from Sandra.” Sheneman said it read: “You’ve taken my life away and I forgive you. God will judge you.”

He said the note proved no help in the investigation. It was just a missive from a stranger.

Today, with the memorial gone, passers-by have taken to scribbling messages to Sandra on utility boxes outside the mobile home park off West Clover Road. A few more people brought more candles, toys and balloons, which police quickly took away.

The family plans to donate all the gifts — except the cards and notes — to children’s charities.

Police said today that they’ve narrowed the investigation into Sandra’s murder but have yet to arrest anyone or find the place where she was killed.

Sheneman said again that he’s confident the investigation is headed in the right direction. New tips come in all the time, he said. People have phoned in more than 400 since Monday. That brings the number of leads to nearly 1,500.

Investigators have served more than 15 search warrants since the girl’s March 27 disappearance, Sheneman said. But all of them will remain sealed by the courts to protect the “integrity of the investigation,” he said.

He said from now on, he’ll keep the number of search warrants issued a secret — saying just that several more will be issued. That leaves the official number at “more than 15.”

An autopsy of Sandra’s body is complete, but results won’t be released until the coroner completes toxicology and tissue sample tests, according to the San Joaquin County Sheriff’s Office.

• Contact a Tracy Press reporter at 835-3030 or tpnews@tracypress.com.

How to help

• The reward has grown to more than $26,000 for information leading to the arrest of Sandra's killer. Tracy Crime Stoppers and the Modesto-based Carole Sund/Carrington Foundation are still accepting donations. Tracy police still want the public to share tips that could help narrow the search. All calls are confidential.

• Call Tracy Crime Stoppers at 831-6847.

I agree

Hi fatcat ! haven't seen you around but glad to see you on this thread...you always add to any thread that you are on!

this case is so sad...I feel so sad for Sandra and her family...
that guy that has the keys to the church, is that the Williams guy that you all are speaking of? I am a bit behind as I was out all day...
anyways, whom ever he is, he gives me the creepy crawleys for some reason...
I think that the LE have a pretty good idea who did this awful thing to Sandra, they just have to tie some ends together...jmo...

Police Eye Oakdale Property in Search for Sandra
FOX40 News
April 2, 2009
On Thursday, April 1st, police expanded their search to the Tracy landfill as well as a home in Oakdale.  Authorities tell us the home belongs to a relative of Chris Sinclair, a resident of the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park who has been identified as a person of interest in the case.  FOX40 spoke with Sinclair, who says he's not sure why he's under investigation.  Sinclair said he returned home earlier this week, and both of his cars were gone.  He says police asked if he knew anything about Sandra's disappearance.  Martial arts instructor, Frank Wohler, is another person of interest who has  been questioned by police.  He lives a few houses down from Sandra and peaked the interest of investigators when they learned he kissed Sanda on the lips at the community pool two years ago.  Wohler says he was just being friendly and nice.  "It's kinda my nature and I haven't talked to her since.  I've seen her in the park, but that's it," Wohler said.

http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_local_headlines/?Police-Eye-Oakdale-Property-in-Search-fo=1&blockID=256041&feedID=190

Hello Cookie!  Thank you!  I got bummed on Haleigh and I've been very busy lately.  So frustrating trying to get thru all the rumors and half truths on that one.  That poor little girl.  And than I started peaking in at this one and wham....it's bad.  I have a bad feeling about this church and Fred Williams. 

I've been following it with you great monkeys and reading Blink's site, I think Blink is on to something w/her latest about Fred.  Hopefully if he keeps talking it will come out.  It seems like we got some good clues here; luggage and missing weapon if I got that right?   So we better have an arrest soon. Talk at you soon!

I agree Klaas, every shred of evidence so far indicates to me a very disorganized offender, with more of an attempt to offload her little body in a hurry as opposed to distancing themselves from the act. I see haste, and attempted cover up. I do not believe she left the park alive sadly, or not so sadly, given the alternative we are considering.

I agree completely, Blink.  Hasty and desperate, as if trying to pass off a hot potato.  I'm not in any way making light of the situation with that comparison, it's just how I see the frantic, panicky action taken when she was dumped in the pond. 

  Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
« Reply #1693 on: April 08, 2009, 10:46:20 AM » 

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Quote from: Kimmy53 on April 08, 2009, 10:35:32 AM
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Good morning all!

I don't know if this has been posted or not, but just now on MSNBC they reported that a member of the church informed LE that a suitcase resembling the one that Sandra was contained in was stolen from one of the vehicles on the chuch grounds.

Thanks, I find that odd, I wonder if the car was locked?


Odd is right.  This would leave me to believe that someone would have had knowledge of there being a suitcase - I wouldn't think that if you had a dead body on your hands, that you would just randomly look around in cars for a container.  If this is correct, someone knew there was a suitcase in that vehicle....Or was it just convenient to report a stolen suitcase, just in case it was found later??? Hmmm.



An article mentions the suitcase being stolen, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Some man from the church named Williams is commenting on it.

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Meanwhile, church member Fred Williams said he believes his church and its pastor, Lane Lawless, are being wrongfully targeted.

"There's not one member there that would have anything to do with anything like that kind of situation," Williams said. "More people should come to church and hang out with him because they would find out what a fun loving kind of guy that he is," Williams said.

Williams said that the mysterious black suitcase Cantu was found in was reported stolen by another congregation member the same day Cantu disappeared.

"That suitcase was to go to the church for a rummage sale with some stuff in it and the person put it somewhere, either in the back of a car somewhere. But anyway, when she came back out the suitcase was gone," Williams said.

http://www.kcra.com/news/19121818/detail.html


Someone please tell me if this is the video I am looking for where Fred Williams says that the Pastor would say that the parents should not let children out unsupervised?  I cannot get the video to play for some reason.  When you open the articule it's half way down towards the bottom with the police car on it at the beginning - Fred is walking up to the church caught off guard by a male reporter.  thank you.

I got that video to work and I didn't see the part about Fred Williams. It must be on another video. Sorry.

I don't know if you guys believe in Psychic prodictions, but I have a few quotes from a site that are really interesting! This is probably going to be a bit long, so I apologize in advance!

1. Anonymous Coward
User ID: 476372
3/30/2009 6:45 PM  Re: Psychic Readings...need the practice Quote


Firefly.... are you able to help locate missing children? A little girl disappeared here on Friday and still hasn't been found.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 607349

 I think she wandered off. Hopefully not kidnapped. If she was, you can disregard all this. And I wouldn't pull people away to go look if there are better signs. She's about 3 or 4? Seems like it.

Anyway, she seems to be in a small outhouse or shed type building. Seems like she's walked all that way. Taken her a long time to get there. It's about 5 and half miles North West of where she started walking. The building has been searched already, and she has happened on to it after the search people went through...it seems. She's pretty skinned up and thirsty. She's in a bad way. The building is a shed or outbuilding. It's near an old factory or school that has been shut down and is falling apart. Maybe the name Traynor or Tailor or something similar might have something to do with the road, street, or name of the school or company that use to be the building.

The area around the big building isn't grown up...seems like maybe it gets mowed regular or that it is naturally not conducive to growth. The building she is in may have some grass or small bushes or trees growing around it.

Hope this isn't wrong and helps out.
 
2.  Anonymous Coward
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3/31/2009 12:36 AM Re: Psychic Readings...need the practice Quote


Firefly.... are you able to help locate missing children? A little girl disappeared here on Friday and still hasn't been found.


Can you tell me the town and her first name?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 474543


Tracy, California... she's 8 yrs old, name is Sandra Cantu. God Bless you for trying to help.

3.  Anonymous Coward
User ID: 500558
3/31/2009 7:33 AM Re: Psychic Readings...need the practice Quote


Her name is Sandra and the town is Tracy. Not sure if this may be the name you refer to. Also, she is missing from her home in a mobile home park (trailer?). It's not a trailer park though, nice mobiles.

Can you tell if she's anywhere near a river, if she crossed over one or if the building is near one? The area north-west is all farmland, country roads, sparse farm houses, mostly open fields (some mowed/some not/some tilled under. There are lengthy irrigation canals and many ditches, I'm asking about the river since it's about 5 1/2 miles out. Could the big building be a barn? (I hope not, there are many) Easier to find a processing station and I do remember an old school out there somewhere.

Can you tell if she's more north than west or vise versa? Can you sense any colors, sounds or notable landmarks? Well-used roads or little traveled? I know you're on the mark here, I'm just trying to narrow it down if I can. I mean you ;) I'm racking my brain til morning, then I'll drive out there before work. I work about 2.5 miles out that way and search crews have been combing the area all day long since Saturday. Maybe they just need to go farther out.

Thanks for tolerating all the questions. I'm hoping a that the area info may make things a little clearer for you.

God Bless you!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 607349


Hmmm...I'm seriously wondering if I'm getting good information. 8 years old sounds like she would be old enough to know how to find her way back if she wasn't forced away by someone. Maybe not though and if you're willing to go...

I had thought she might live in a mobile home park so that matches.

It's a building (if this is her) that is near another building that is disused. Like an old school. The big building...It's a building with large windows..which doesn't sound like a barn. Not single pane windows but multiple windows in that ## pattern but big. Most of them are broken out I think. The shed or outbuild she is in is either behind or to the right side of the building she is in (then again I don't know which direction from which I'm "seeing" it.) Oh, one important detail. Seems like the disused building she is located near is made of brick or stone, not like a wooden barn. The shed building she is in is either made of corrugated metal (old tin panels) or is old wood.

I did get an idea that she had possibly passed some water.I'm sorry, but I don't know if that meant she crossed over some water or if she walked near a river or creek. I also got the impression that the building she is in is near some woods or overgrown area. I still think its something like a school or old factory or maybe a building materials supply building...something that was used but now isn't. Or at least not used as its original purpose.

Remember I asked about Traynor or Taylor as the name of the road or building? You said this was in Tracey, California...which is a "T" name. And Traynor is fairly close...in that sense. So this might be her
 
4.Anonymous Coward
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4/3/2009 12:09 PM Re: Psychic Readings...need the practice Quote


Thanks for the update...and the link! I hope it is warm there! I sure wish you could get some more people in the area to read Firefly's reading and help you look. Without food how long can she last? I know there is water around so that shouldn't be an issue, but food is a different story. OMG I can't imagine how afraid she must be!
 Quoting: Cosmic Cuckoo


A child, or any person actually, can survive upwards of a month without food. For a healthy child I'd say 2 weeks without food would be possible. Water would be an issue, and also if she was injured. I half-way think she has had an injury and has managed to barely make it to an old building, but walking or even getting up may not be in the cards if she has injured her foot or her leg. I think that the friend who said Sandra was running away might have been correct.

Trying to get a bit more of an impression, I'd say she was actually slightly west of north west. Like half, or two thirds of the way, between straight west and northwest. I also wonder if she wasn't trying to walk to a friends home out in that direction and during the course of walking out there, got hurt. If so, then finding water could be a problem. And a person can only survive for about 3 days without water.

I think she is still alive right now, but she's not in a good way.
 
5. Anonymous Coward
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4/6/2009 11:51 PM Re: Psychic Readings...need the practice Quote


Firefly, when you can devote the energy to it, would you please see if you can get an impression of whether or not Sandra is still alive.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 607349


Seems to be "yes". Let's hope that's correct.

I had the idea earlier today that she might be near a church to the North west of town. A church is often a brick building that has an "empty feel" because it is unoccupied for 6/7ths of its life. Or largely unoccupied.

So I looked on a map and see that South Winds church is to the northwest about 3 miles. When I went to look at their website, I noticed on their schedule that March 27th was a movie night. I remember reading some reporter that said Sandra had asked her family to go to the movies but they didn't have the money. So now I'm wondering if she hadn't heard about this movie night at school or something and decided to go on her own to see it. I think she could have easily walked the three miles to the place between 5 (when I think they said she left) and 7 o'clock (when the movie started).

It's a theory anyway. As to where she is or what happened to her once she left her driveway, we can't know for sure until she is found and tells someone. After this long a time though, it is starting to look like a very bad situation. By now you'd like she'd have turned up or come back if she had left on her own.
The kid would stay in the same place if she'd injured herself and was unable to walk. Torn muscle. Broken foot or leg. (Probably the left one if anyone is keeping score). So if she can't stand or walk it would mean she was staying in one spot.Could also mean that I'm wrong and someone placed her in one spot too and locked her in or chained her up.

Hard to know until she's found.


So these were written on and before April 6th!  I just found this amazing, jmo
Again, sorry so long!
 

Edward

You wrote in the last thread:
 Re: SANDRA CANTU, 8 years old, missing since 3/27/09 Tracy, CA #1
« Reply #1765 on: April 08, 2009, 12:46:26 PM »

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I have never seen a victim of a child porn ring interviewed and you would think once they become an adult WE would be hearing from one or more.. People do not stay little children forever.. So I question these types of reports because we the public have no knowledge of this behavior as being real. If authorities do not want these people interviewed, they are not helping all of us to warn our kids..


Without going into detail here, I will say that I do know for fact, (which can be confirmed by the Ritual Abuse Task Force in Sacramento, CA), that ritual crimes DO happen to children and adults as well, and authorities demand a gag order on the media.  Not only in California, but across the USA and beyond.  Authorities mainly do this so as not to "alarm" the public.  We who, as children, were silenced by the abusers, are silenced all over again so the unsuspecting innocent public will not be emotionally distraught.  Sigh. 

You are entirely correct, people do not stay children forever.  However, even as we've grown older, found our voice, and began fearfully to tell our experiences, we've been silenced by those who do not want to believe such atrocities can and are committed by other human beings.  They often would rather not believe us, in order to be able to maintain their awareness of this world as being filled with good and kind folks.  We get shut down too many times and it's typical to just give up.  That is another reason the public has "no knowledge" of this behavior as being real.  Folks would rather pretend that it isn't, when it very much is, and could be right next door to them without their knowing. 

Some of us create websites, write books, talk talk talk.  And some survivors have shut down.  If you and anyone else want REAL change in this world, so that you can be aware in order to protect your own loved ones, then please look beyond the victims who don't talk about it as adults, and see where the true problem lies.  With the authorities and their gag order on the media. 

Just saying.. And thank you for caring. 

VERY odd that this person gets the name Traynor or Tailor.  Isn't Traylor a last name of someone connected to the Haleigh Cummings case?    ::MonkeyEek::  Maybe what this person is picking up (sensing) is partly Haleigh's case, and partly Sandra's case?
 

I asked him this and this is what he said! Thought it wouldn't hurt!

Anonymous Coward
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Hello, I posted this somewhere else from this site, but I think I did it wrong

I would like to know what happened to Haleigh Cummings, and if Misty or Ronald were involved in someway.

Also, I think the information you had on Sandra Cantu was amazing! Will they ever find her killer?
 Quoting: Stephanie 654048


Haleigh who? *laugh* Okay, looking it up I see it's another missing girl. No idea. And frankly...not sure I want to start "looking" to try and find anything.

Will they ever find Sandra Cantu's killer? Yeah, I think so. Not that I've had the greatest success with getting a read on her case. I do wonder though if her murder was a sexual assault though. I almost think it wasn't sexual in nature. Almost like jealousy or envy was more of a motive. Like a person who was jealous of Sandra's nature. Like maybe their kid wasn't like her and they resented her for it. I dunno...
The autopsy ought to come back with some information on the issue of sexual assault I suppose. If it was a sexual assault, then I suppose the FBI will try to match tissue samples with their available suspects and then an arrest should come fairly quickly. I imagine that is what they are hoping for is some physical evidence they can link to the killer. For some reason I keep thinking an arrest might come before the autopsy per se comes back. Like maybe they will find some other piece of evidence that leads them to make an arrest. Or there is a confession or something like that.

The horrible thing about this is you find yourself HOPING she wasn't sexually assaulted and was "simply" murdered for other reasons.
 

Good Morning My Dear Monkeys-

I am feeling strong for an arrest or arrests in Sandra's case today on this fine Good Friday.

Good morning Blinks and all monkees as well!
I hope that you are right about an arrest..who do you think that it will be?

Cookie, I am just not ready to "out" that as my opinion until after it happens if that's ok, I would be scared to jinx it, lol.

Good Morning, I too hope today Sandra's killer or killers will be arrested today. I have confidence LE will make an arrest soon.

that is cool...we sure don't want this case to be jinxed for Sandra's sake!

Powerful post.
I care Wyks.
I also promise to listen no matter who is speaking or what is being said.

That's my prayer.  Perhaps an arrest can bring some little bit of peace for this community.

I agree, Wyks that was a powerful post, I for one would listen, but unfortunately most people would turn away from listening, it would be to upsetting, and a lot of people prefer to live their lives with their heads in the sand and not confront serious issues.

Police cadet reports suspicious sighting, do we know what vehicle Williams drives and if he owns a boat?  http://www.kcra.com/news/19146854/detail.html

KCRA 3 story this morning



Man Reports Suspicious Sighting Near Tracy
Search For Sandra Cantu's Killer Continues


SAN JOAQUIN COUNTY, Calif. -- The FBI is investigating a suspicious sighting where the body of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu was found this week.

A Stockton police cadet said he spotted someone parked in the wrong direction on the rural road where her body was discovered inside a piece of luggage. He said the driver was acting very strange.

Cantu's body was found Monday in a suitcase in an irrigation pond north of Tracy. She disappeared from a West Clover Road mobile home park on March 27, setting off an intense hunt that drew national media attention.

Over 1,000 tips have been received in the case.

Stephen Memory said he saw a man in a beige Chevrolet Silverado truck parked by the irrigation pond on April 3 -- a week after Cantu disappeared.

"(He) acted real nervous and didn't really want to look me in the eyes at all," Memory said. "Soon as I could get a good up-close look on him, he would look away as much as he could."

Some others told KCRA 3 that the rural road is rarely used, has dead end and only about five cars cross it each day.

Anyone with information should call the Tracy Police Department at 209....

"I've never seen this guy around this neighborhood, ever," Memory said.

The FBI spoke with Memory on Wednesday afternoon.

Memory said he thought agents seemed interested in the tip. He said agents told him that they would bring some stuff by to see what the man was wearing.

Police meanwhile were working with an FBI profiler in an effort to get a better idea of who was responsible for the slaying. No arrests have been made.


A public memorial for Cantu will be held at 1 p.m. Thursday at the Merrill F. West High School gym.

Anyone wishing to reach Cantu's family may route condolences to the Tracy Police Department, which has assigned a liaison to work with relatives. Those wishing to make donations of money in the girl's memory are being asked to contact the Carole Sund/Carrington Foundation.

That is why there are people like us in the world No Rose, even though I personally hate to acknowledge the true evils like those address in Wyks post I know as a human being I have an obligation to listen as well as to speak out for those who can not.
That is why we are all here, try to help find justice and a voice to those who have lost there ability to speak out and demand justice be done.

yeppers!

lol no rose we posted at the same time.

Wyks, I wish I could come and give you the biggest bear hug ever.  You are a remarkable person and I am so sorry that you have had reason to know what you know.   Thanks for sharing the info and I agree with you completely, the gag order is WRONG.  They are taking away our right to protect ourselves and our children because of the risk of our becoming alarmed.  GIVE ME A FRIGGIN BREAK.

I'd say that's something that needs to be addressed by a big group of outraged citizens.

Exactly.  SM is a special place.

Always concern that the defendent gets a fair trial, you never here about the victim getting a fair trial. And I'm not even going to get started on the bleeding hearts, and the, they served their time, blah, blah.....

Good morning Blink and all Monkeys!

Thank you for this encouraging post on this Good Friday!

amen sista....don't even get me started either....

Yep, the perps have more rights than the victims.  It's ridiculous. 

Hi guys.. I hope everyone has a wonderful Easter and my thoughts and prayers are with Sandra's family this holiday season.

Like Blink I think there will be an arrest here shortly - very shortly and I believe it will be tied somehow to the "disputed" stolen / un-stolen suitcase. There is something to this issue that is very concerning.

I don't post much on other cases after what happened in Haleigh's thread (thank God the parents were cleared here as fast as lighting or who knows what would have happened), but I do read here, and do follow other cases.

You've all done a great job and always have my admiration.

Have a great holiday - whether it be Easter or Passover. God Bless!!

Thanks, Rob!  You have a great holiday as well!!

I also continue to expect an arrest any time now in this investigation.

And I believe there will be sufficient evidence collected properly for a strong conviction.  The family is asking for the death penalty and just may get it.  Someone some where is doing some serious looking over their shoulder.  The pressure may well cause them to react in some way to even further incriminate themselves such as attempt to dispose of any remaining evidence.

Watching, praying and waiting. . . . . .

thanks Rob and right back at ya....

I hope and pray that you are all right about an arrest coming soon. 

With Easter two days away, I hope her family is reminded that they will see her again one day, if that's their belief. 
 

So we have the witness who believes he saw Williams on the lake with the girl on the 2nd of April, and then new police cadet witness observes the strange acting man on the 3rd of April sitting in the pond area on the side of the road, perhaps she was put into the pond on the 3rd.  I wish he had taken a license plate number, perhaps he did. If this is all verified, that means she was kept alive for a short time frame.  I vote that the Williams guy will be arrested. 

I feel an arrest is coming soon also, and you have a great Easter or Passover also.

Is there another press conference scheduled for 10:30 this morning?

Yes there is

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline

Thanks!!

They just said news conference postponed until maybe 11:30am

Oops 11:15 not 11:30 Sorry

It says there in the blog that it has been postponed, possibly will be at 11:15.

I will be waiting to see.. Does William have a Chevy silverado pickup ?
A police cadet ? That is a good one because a young cop in training is being educated and lives at high alert !! lol

Anyways I just knew there was some sort of witness and now they appear to be coming out..
I hold my breath though because we have seen witness before in many cases and that for some reason just did not work out.
We have seen this in almost every case.. I do not know why this happens.
So hang in there as things look pretty good at the moment.
jmho

Thank you!

Hi Edward,   I don't believe it has been confirmed what type of car/truck he drove.  I have missed it if this has been discussed.  I have seen the question raised.

Some one on News 10 live online chat said she heard something about a suspect from lathrop...just hear say but thought I would post it any way.

Per news 10 : liveonline: Guests: We've heard from a Bay Area TV station the reason for the delayed news conference is because of significant developments in the case. That is not confirmed. Still expecting some kind of news briefing after 11 a.m. ..

I wait and wait for these pressers than have to go do something and miss them!  I wish they would hold at certain time each day.

But at least they are holding them and have a spokesperson and are being professional in that regard.

I have to say there were many people looking for Sandra, many driving around. 
Does anyone remember in any interviews or crowds seeing a male with thick rimmed glasses? Shortish dark hair....Just asking....

Is 1:00 to 1:15 CDT the time of the expected presser?

For some reason, this one feels very important.  I don't want to miss it.

I'll answer you this way, PC should be in the next 15 minutes or so.

I hear something is going to happen....

Tracy-
will you be able to tune in?

Thanks Klaas!

Newws anchor just asked if announcement about arrest is true!

Thanks, and thanks to you also K9ohana for reporting what you heard as well.

FOX and HLN also said there were "significant developments" in this case.  Oh I hope this is leading to a quick arrest.

I got an email from "someone" saying they are just trying to attrack media and attention....I hope they are wrong.

If I could I would pass by the houses...

Thanks, does anyone have the link please for the presser?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,514042,00.html


Detectives to Announce 'Significant Lead' in Sandra Cantu Murder

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/

That doesn't make sense.  The case has had all kinds of attention.

Do you mean watch the press conference? I am linked I think, it is churning. I may have to go to another news site.

Thank-you Anna

I think they meant not as much as it was. I dont' think it is the case...

They canceled it until 3:30pm

Thank-you

Dang

Might mean good news!

Double Dang. 

As Tracygirl said, it might mean good news.  I hope so.

Thanks to all who are giving us information.  I checked FoxNews and saw that there is an update at 6:30 p.m.....true?  Will it be that late?  Mere

3:30pm in CA.

Mere, that would be 3:30 PDT.  6:30 EDT

6:30pm ET, 3::30pm PT

Thank you....6:30 EST for me....back to taxes....see you a bit later....Mere

http://www.ktvu.com/news/19144730/detail.html

Information on canceled AM police update.

Hoping and praying that good news is coming.

Thanks for posting this.

According to "people" nothing happening at either Williams house as of 15 mim ago or at the MHP which  can be seen from the street. Nothing at the chruch either, street is quiet. 

I am guessing most of you have read this, but will post anyway if it was missed.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,514042,00.html

 Detectives will announce a "significant lead" in the Sandra Cantu murder case and are close to arresting the calculating killer of the 8-year-old California girl last seen skipping down the street near her mobile home.

Police in the town of Tracy told FOX San Francisco affiliate KTVU about the development Friday and said they'd elaborate at a 2:15 p.m. EDT (11:15 a.m. PDT) press conference. (NOW 3:30 PDT)

Earlier investigators said they were narrowing their search but have been tight-lipped on details because they are getting closer to making an arrest in Sandra's killing, Tracy Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman told KTVU.

Authorities didn't want to tip off the suspect or suspects — who squeezed little Sandra's body into a suitcase and dumped it in a local pond — about the progress of their investigation by saying too much, according to Sheneman.

He has repeatedly told reporters in twice-daily news briefings that detectives are "moving in the right direction."

"We are still looking forward to a conclusion to this, but I cannot tell you what time," he said Thursday.

Thanks  ::MonkeyWink::

AZSunny - thanks for posting that.  I hope this is the case.

HUM,  I wonder what that means?  They haven't made an arrest yet, not ready to make and arrest yet, or they already have someone in custody?  They could have someone come in for questioning, and then arrest them! 

Thanks AZSunny  ::MonkeyWink::

Tracygirl, are you able to find out what kind of car Williams drives?

Thanks Tracygirl

Tracygirl, have you gone or will you be going to the memorial site if there still is one?  (I know they requested that people stop leaving things outside of the mobile home park, but I thought they gave an alternate location where people could leave sentiments for her and her family.)

Thanks for letting us know about the lack of activity at Williams', etc. 

No, 2 small cars at his house yesterday. I don't know if he was there.

 

I did go to the memorial on Tuesday evening (I think it was tuesday). It was overwhelmingly huge! The mood was very somber. The only sounds heared were people praying or occasionally someone would start to sob. It was very emotional. One thing that bothered me though was the news camera's were a little invasive. They would walk through the crowd and film or ask questions. I just moved away.

I took a stuffed animal and signed one of the posters. As far as I know the family has asked for people to not leave anymore items at the site under the tree as it is too difficult for them when they drive by. Every once in awhile people will bring something though... I am planning on attending next Thursday's memorial at the high school.

any more info? I heard HLN say that it could be significant but nothing since then....

dang again .....
thanks for all the info everyone...

Detectives to Announce 'Significant Lead' in Sandra Cantu Murder
Friday, April 10, 2009

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,514042,00.html

Thanks and a Happy Easter to you and your family.

Thank you no rose colored glasses.

... and a joyful Easter celebration to your and yours.

Janet

++++++

THE EASTER STORY - THE GRAVE COULD NOT HOLD HIM

HE IS RISEN - HE IS RISEN INDEED!!

Luke 24: 1-8

1-3  At the crack of dawn on Sunday, the women came to the tomb carrying the burial spices they had prepared. They found the entrance stone rolled back from the tomb, so they walked in. But once inside, they couldn't find the body of the Master Jesus.
 
4-8  They were puzzled, wondering what to make of this. Then, out of nowhere it seemed, two men, light cascading over them, stood there. The women were awestruck and bowed down in worship. The men said, "Why are you looking for the Living One in a cemetery? He is not here, but raised up. Remember how he told you when you were still back in Galilee that he had to be handed over to sinners, be killed on a cross, and in three days rise up?" Then they remembered Jesus' words.

I just heard it on HLN too & came over to check in....I hope it is very significant and they catch this B@$++++.    I'll be here with yas for the presser, 3:30 pacific so that's 6:30 eastern 5:30 central, correct?

crap...I will be out to dinner....
I am listening to HLN right now...said silver silverado seen at the scene by the cadet...thinking this could be the significant clue..Don Clark thinks that the news conference will be something significant....
are you all watching HLN?

Edit~ to correct vehicle type

sorry, should have been silverado...

Melissa huckaby's suitcase? Strange story

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article-Woman%20in%20mobile%20home%20park%20reported%20missing%20suitcase%20=&page_label=home&id=2298054-Woman+in+mobile+home+park+reported+missing+suitcase&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

very strange...

I know I don't even know where to start with this story. Who is she married too? She says she is not the same person as the one with the record??? Phone number and address is the same??

Woman in mobile home park reported missing suitcase
by Jennifer Wadsworth
04.10.09 - 04:01 pm

Police guard entrance of the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park where Sandra Cantu lived. Glenn Moore/Tracy Pressslideshow

A flier made up before Sandra's body was found in a suitcase this week. Contributed.slideshow A Sunday school teacher said someone took her black rolling suitcase from the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park on the day 8-year-old murder victim Sandra Cantu disappeared.

It’s a huge suitcase, 28-year-old Melissa Huckaby said in a phone interview today, waterproof, charcoal-trimmed and has an Eddie Bauer logo on the front.

Police have yet to confirm whether it’s the same one found Monday morning that contained Sandra’s dead body.

Farmworkers discovered a suitcase that generally matches that description submerged in a dairy lagoon two miles north of mobile home park where Sandra lived. Huckaby has lived there, too, for a year with her grandparents Clifford Lane and Connie Lawless, after having moved up from Southern California, she said.

Sandra went missing on March 27, the same day and in the same late-afternoon hour that Huckaby said the black suitcase disappeared from her driveway.

“There’s been a lot of speculation on the news about what happened to my suitcase,” she said today. “It’s not my grandfather’s. It’s mine, and someone took it.”

Huckaby teaches Sunday school at Clover Road Baptist Church, her grandfather’s church just down the street from the mobile home park. She spruces up the church classroom every few months, she said, and had packed up in the suitcase with everything she needed to re-do the room that day. (Really?  So why did Williams say it was for a rummage sale?)

Sandra had come over earlier and asked to play with her 5-year-old daughter, Huckaby said. But Huckaby didn’t want her daughter to play because she had to pick up her toys. So Sandra left for another friend’s house. Eighteen seconds of surveillance footage that shows Sandra playfully skipping by her family’s home show her on her way back to Huckaby’s home after leaving that other friend’s house, Huckaby said. (so she was heading towards Huckaby/Lawless home)

After Sandra left, her oldest sister Miranda went to Huckaby’s house, too. Huckaby asked Miranda if she could watch her daughter for her while she went down the street to the church. Connie Lawless was home, too.

Huckaby then set the packed suitcase on the driveway by her dark purple Kia SUV — the same one FBI agents and Tracy police detectives towed and searched Tuesday night. But she forgot her cell phone and keys inside the house, so she went back in for about 15 minutes to find them. She couldn’t, so she picked up the spare key and left.

She forgot about the suitcase and left it on the driveway.

When she got to the church, Huckaby’s grandmother called and said she found her keys and cell phone. Huckaby said that’s when she realized she had left the $200 suitcase outside. When her family went out to get it, they said it was gone.

“So I talked to the assistant manager at the mobile home park and asked him to keep an eye out for this suitcase, someone took it,” Huckaby said. “I also told some older kids to look out for it. I didn’t think much then because, you know, kids were getting out of school and I thought that maybe someone, maybe someone walking by just took it.”

She called Tracy police intending to file a report, but decided to do it online. She never got around to it.

Her grandfather — who police also questioned — has had tools stolen from his home there, she said, and she had heard of petty theft and vandalism at the park all the time. So she said she wasn’t surprised when she discovered her suitcase gone.

But by the time she had time to file a stolen property report police had already started knocking on everyone’s door, asking about Sandra.

“They asked me if I noticed anything suspicious, so of course I told them about my missing suitcase,” Huckaby said.

Police questioned her and she said she gave them permission to search her car for evidence, too.

Huckaby has spent several days since last week in the intensive care unit at Sutter Tracy Community Hospital for “internal bleeding,” though she refused to say exactly what condition she was admitted for. She was released Thursday morning, she said.

Police had interviewed her at the hospital.

“It’s where I was, and I told them that’s where I was, so they came just because they had a few questions to ask me about what I know,” she said.

Dispatchers said over the police scanner on Tuesday that officers were “changing detail” at the hospital, where they had evidently been stationed for several hours.

Court records show a 28-year-old Melissa Huckaby pleaded no contest on Jan. 9 to a felony charge of second degree commercial burglary and a misdemeanor charge of petty theft with prior theft/burglary/robbery. The criminal complaint says she was locked up in Los Angeles County for conviction of petty theft in November 2006 and that she tried to steal something from Target in November last year.

The complaint says she’s on probation in San Joaquin County and is due back in court on April 17, when she might be sentenced.

The documents list the woman’s address as 812 W. Clover Road, Space No. 57, which city property records show is owned by Clifford Lane Lawless and Connie Lawless.

The Melissa Huckaby interviewed today said that’s not her.

Asked why the address and cell phone number in the court documents match her own, she said she has no idea.

“I don’t know what to say,” she said. “That’s not me.”

Police refuse to comment publicly on any details about the murder case, including Huckaby’s narrative.

Police have scheduled a press conference for 3:30 today after cancelling two this morning.

No arrests have been made, and no suspects named, though hundreds of people have been questioned.

• Contact Tracy Press reporter Jennifer Wadsworth at 830-4225 or jwadsworth@tracypress.com.

dunno...very strange indeed....I have a lot of questions in my mind about all of this...

Now this is really interesting.  ::MonkeyEek::

So if everything she was going to use was in the suitcase, it seems when she arrived there she would have noticed it gone, turned around and went back? Why would you put either cleaning items or extra classroom supplies into a $200 suitcase? She asked for her dd to be watched for 15, who can clean a classroom in 15 min? Ok there is more but you get my point, this story does not add up.

I say she is covering for the person who wished to borrow this suitcase. She was asked to place it on her driveway, she did, they picked it up. 

It's no wonder they searched that church!

don't think I am being snobbish, but do you really think that she would have a $200 suitcase that she would just leave at the end of a driveway? that is a lot of money to pay for a suitcase imo...my husband buys  expensive suitcases but he travels a lot and needs something that will sustain loading and unloading from an airplane....does she travel a lot?
I have yet to ever put cleaning supplies in a suitcase....call me crazy... ::MonkeyConfused::

William and Mellisa are connected together by the church ..

So I suppose this maybe why they searched the church and the home after finding the suitcase?

Woah  ::MonkeyShocked::
I had not read that yet. Way too many coincidences for me. Sandra headed back to the Huckaby place, the suitcase, the supposed "theft", the Lawless/Williams/Huckaby connection with the church. Too many connections too much in common.

I know what you mean cookie and ... you may be right.

However ... I am suspicious that maybe somebodyelse within that home may have been involved.

A number of years ago ... after grocery shopping ... my eldest son put two bags of groceries and wallet on the trunk (back) while he unlocked his vehicle.  He then put the groceries in the back seat and ... then got into the driver's seat and drove off.  Thankfully there was a happy ending.  Another customer spotted his wallet a short distance away in the same parking lot and contacted him.

Then there is his mother.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

A while back ... I left my purse in the shopping cart and drove away from our local Sears.  I was also fortunate that a honest customer turned in my purse.

I am suspicious that maybe somebodyelse within that home may have been involved in Sandra's death.

Janet

I think it's BS

Sunday school? Dont' they have like 15 people going there? There website has not been updated since I think 2003 for sunday school lessons right?


She is lying, but why? Lots of drugs around that area, maybe something to do with that. 

Link to the live press conference that should start in just a few minutes:

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/

thanks Klaas....

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/08/sandra-cantu-investigation-suitcase-reported-stolen-by-church-member/

are they connected in other ways?  ::MonkeyRoll:: if you get my drift....

Did you see the statement on the left of the screen, that no 'major announcement" was anticipated.

  ::MonkeyEek:: I just don't know what to say, except that sounds like bull to me.

Nope missed it.

Me too, and usually there is a live chat scrolling, but that's not there now.

Hi everyone, it's News10's Sharon Ito.  At 3:30 p.m. we'll be video streaming the latest news conference by the Tracy Police Department into the murder investigation of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu. There has been speculation of a major break in the case.  Tracy Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman sent an e-mail late this morning saying, "No such statement is pending.  Your patience is appreciated."  We'll keep you updated.

I dont see it know, but they are doing mike checks now on the link Klaas provided

Thanks  ::MonkeyWink::

see post above...i cut and pasted.  left side of screen

Got it AZ, tks...  my know for now tells me I need a nap between following these cases...o lordie!

Thanks AZSunny.

Janet

Exactly.  I don't see how it's possible after this guy already made up an alternate story about the suitcase being taken from the supposed rummage sale.  He seemed a little too eager to deflect blame onto her parents, too.  They are connected.

Is running late a good thing????

Do we know why they're having a press conference in the street??


 ::MonkeyEek::

Hello Monkeys

So Sandra was going back to the Huckaby's and MH said Sandra's sister had stopped over. Do we know if Sandra made it back to the Huckaby's and if her sister saw her.
I'm confused on the time when Sandra went back to her house and was going to the show. Was this after we see her in the video?

Monkey hugs

I wondered that too!  Strange location.

And why would you fill an expensive suitcase with supplies for a Sunday school classroom? And she was in the hospital, with internal bleeding, but doesn't or won't say more about that.  ::MonkeyEek::

That's where they have been having it  ::MonkeyConfused::

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That's for sure, these suitcase stories don't add up  ::MonkeyEek::

I love the b.s. meter!!  That's great!

 ::MonkeyDance::

Very accurate, too!

You know, some lookie lou is going to drive by and accidentally wipe out a few onlookers.  This just doesn't seem very safe to me.

You would think there would be a safer spot to hold these pressers.

It's starting

In the video is the porch we see is that Sandra's house ?
If it is and this is her second time going to the Huckaby's then I would think that there is more video showing her leaving the house and also we should be able to see her sister going to the Huckaby's 

I smell BS on MH story and Williams also
If MH story is true then why would Williams make up his story about the suitcase?
If Williams story is true why would MH make up her story about the suitcase?


Monkey hugs

Ugh, disappointing...I was hopeful it was more significant

Note??? What note?

HOLY CRAP!!  Did you hear that about Melissa Huckaby???

Why are they even holding a presser if he won't answer  and he says he doesn't know anything. "I don't know, we can say, I don't know, I don't know..............!!!!! ::MonkeyNoNo::

I hate my work computer, I cant hear! What are they saying?????

Im watching the comments rolling in the chat and there is a bunch of websleuters over there bragging about their site...wow that is shameful promotion in the midst of wanting to hear new news about this precious child's brutal murder....wow just wow

A reporter said that an investigative source provided information that Melissa Huckaby has been questioned and investigated before in a case involving another child being drugged and molested.  He said he didn't know.  This question was asked repeatedly with different wording basically each time and no answer was ever given besides "I don't know" or "not that I'm aware of" type of thing.

(Please, correct me if I am wrong on what I heard)

The reporters all seem to be aware of a prior incident involving Melissa Huckaby encompassing a child.

I cannot comprehend why a press conference was call.  This guy is not providing ANY information.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet



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It would be very rare wouldn't it, if a woman did committed this crime?

Exactly, Janet!  Why not just hold off on pressers until there is something to report or don't take questions at all??

I'm thinking he has been enabling someone else.  I'm also thinking now that this might be a bigger thing than we thought initially.

I feel sick to my stomach now.  I wonder if they've talked to all of the other children in the area.

A special thank you for each of your heartfelt replies to my earlier post.    ::MonkeyCool::

 

Edward

Just wondering if you saw my reply to you at the bottom of page 6 in this thread?  Hoping you saw it.   ::MonkeyWink::

Flossy, I am confused about their questions.  They asked if he was aware that Melissa Huckaby had been questioned regarding an incident involving another child.  And then later they asked about a drugging of another child in the trailer park in the past few years.  She said she had only lived there a year, I believe. clearly the reporters have more info on MH than the sgt. right now. ::MonkeyConfused::   I am also concerned about her teaching Sunday school.  Lots of access to young children if she is involved, not that the congregation is that large hpowever.  Is this sounding hinkier and hinkier to you??  Maybe the whole church is involved?  This is scary.

I wonder if all of this leads back to the child porn in my area?

No wonder she didn't want to admit being the same Mellisa if she was found to molest children. she says she was in the hospital for internal bleeding, but who even knows if that was true or not. At this point, everything she says is a lie.

Remember the detective said something about he doesn't want this person tried in the press but in a court of law? Well if they are looking at her as being involved, it would make sense.

Your welcome Wyks, Tracygirl asked a question that you might no the answer to, is this unusual for a woman to commit such a crime? I'm thinking not, at least participate in part with drugging and molesting of a child, even perhaps for making a movie. I'm not saying this Melissa is guilty of this, just saying I don't think this would be unheard of .

it would be highly unusual for woman to do this alone but sadly not so unusual to do it as a team with a domineering male.

I have been feeling that this is much bigger, and somehow that church is involved.

I did .. I thank you for responding and letting us know.
It appears that the authorities are part of the problem.. There attempt to block media from reporting for our best interests is unconstitutional and implies other things that appear sinister.

My research into this shows it to be world wide organization and People that are Rich and Powerful are involved.. Also I have found this in religions such as Santeria, practiced in South America and in Mexico with the Drug Lords too, so criminals are involved.
 They appear to control the mainstream media and even the police departments investigation units inside the United States of America.. Scary  ::MonkeyNoNo::

What you wrote is amazing.. Thank You.

The way I understood it was that the same incident was asked about in different ways, hoping he would be able to answer any of them.  I'm almost positive that the first incident mentioned did involve the drugging of a child, because I gasped and hopped right on here to see if I had heard it correctly.  The gasp was due to the mention of "drugged".  (I could definitely be wrong, though.)  Then they asked later if he was aware of any reports of children in the mobile home park having been drugged and of course he said he didn't know. 

What you're saying is what I am thinking as far as this possibly being big - early on when the Pastor's name was mention, the thought of cult-type insanity popped into my head but I had to shoo it out of there for the time being.

I can not lose the thought that this is some child porn, and it may very well lead to the child porn in the area.

I read your post but was at a loss for words. I am sorry you opened up like that and I neglected to respond to you. You are a strong person and I am so very sorry for what happened to you. No one has the right to tell you not to tell your story! It is an outrage.
(((((((hugs)))))))))

Bliiiiiiinnnnk!!  Where are you??

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes, where are you?

Came out of lurking to point out this article from FOX40:
http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sandra_cantu/?Church-Teacher-Says-Suitcase-Stolen-The-=1&blockID=263590&feedID=2674

Note:
Huckaby also says she has spent some time on the farm near the irrigation ditch where Sandra Cantu's body was discovered in suitcase that closely resembles the one she reports missing.

So she's making excuses

It may have been mentioned, but there is a possibility that the autopsy results were not released because they expect drugging.  In the past, if the cause of death were broken neck, etc. A preliminary autopsy is released.  Not so in this case.  Maybe COD was not that black and white.  Perhaps she was drugged and died as a result -

Didn't they say that they discovered the 60 people involved in the porn ring as a result of this investigation?  I know it was when they were searching for her.

Did you also notice that she describes the suitcase as being waterproof?  If so, I would expect there to be evidence in that bag. (Unless gloves were used.)

(I've snipped out portions of this article to reply to.  My comments in bold blue)

It’s a huge suitcase, 28-year-old Melissa Huckaby said in a phone interview today, waterproof, charcoal-trimmed and has an Eddie Bauer logo on the front.

Farmworkers discovered a suitcase that generally matches that description submerged in a dairy lagoon two miles north of mobile home park where Sandra lived. Huckaby has lived there, too, for a year with her grandparents Clifford Lane and Connie Lawless, after having moved up from Southern California, she said.

We see from the above that the suitcase supposedly is waterproof.  Am wondering if along with Sandra's body, the bag had been weighted down with something?  Just not so sure it could have been 'submerged' so easily otherwise. 

Sandra went missing on March 27, the same day and in the same late-afternoon hour that Huckaby said the black suitcase disappeared from her driveway.

Sandra had come over earlier and asked to play with her 5-year-old daughter, Huckaby said. But Huckaby didn’t want her daughter to play because she had to pick up her toys. So Sandra left for another friend’s house.

“So I talked to the assistant manager at the mobile home park and asked him to keep an eye out for this suitcase, someone took it,” Huckaby said. “I also told some older kids to look out for it. I didn’t think much then because, you know, kids were getting out of school and I thought that maybe someone, maybe someone walking by just took it.”

Huh??  Kids were getting out of school, were they?  Then why did she say earlier in this article that Sandra (who supposedly had been to school and already back and playing with friend) had already come over earlier, plus had been to a friend's house.  And the suitcase supposedly disappeared AFTER this, but around the same time Sandra disappeared.  The kids weren't getting out of school, they'd BEEN out for some time.  Something is hinky with this part of her explanation!!   

After Sandra left, her oldest sister Miranda went to Huckaby’s house, too. Huckaby asked Miranda if she could watch her daughter for her while she went down the street to the church. Connie Lawless was home, too.

Sooooo... Connie was home, but Huckaby asked Miranda to watch her daughter?  Why???  Why wouldn't Connie just keep an eye on her?

Huckaby teaches Sunday school at Clover Road Baptist Church, her grandfather’s church just down the street from the mobile home park. She spruces up the church classroom every few months, she said, and had packed up in the suitcase with everything she needed to re-do the room that day. (Really?  So why did Williams say it was for a rummage sale?)

I am familiar with how Sunday School teachers 'redo' their rooms every few months.  That means she was going to put up new pictures and decorations, likely with an Easter/springtime focus.  Others have mentioned that Huckaby had packed the suitcase with cleaning supplies, and why would she put those in a suitcase.  I don't think there were cleaning supplies, but pics and decorations to redo a room, not clean it.  That's just my opinion tho.  And great question, why did Williams say the suitcase was for a rummage sale, when Huckaby is saying she was using it to tote things around. 


Huckaby then set the packed suitcase on the driveway by her dark purple Kia SUV — the same one FBI agents and Tracy police detectives towed and searched Tuesday night. But she forgot her cell phone and keys inside the house, so she went back in for about 15 minutes to find them. She couldn’t, so she picked up the spare key and left.

When she got to the church, Huckaby’s grandmother called and said she found her keys and cell phone. Huckaby said that’s when she realized she had left the $200 suitcase outside. When her family went out to get it, they said it was gone.

Uh huh.. interesting.  She forgot her cell phone and keys at home.  But when she got to the church, she got a phone call from gma telling her about the phone and keys.  How did Huckaby take that call?  Her cell phone being at home and all.   ::MonkeyTongue:: 

So okies, lets say she took that call on the church phone, INSIDE the church.  It was a Friday afternoon, the church has 14 other members, likely wasn't even open that day with a church secretary and all.  And even the pastor evidently didn't have a key to the church (which is stranger than strange), because Williams had to let him in that day.  Huckaby had left her keys at home with the phone.  Soooooooo.. How did she get INSIDE in order to take the call from Gma?   Are we to actually believe there was a "spare key" to the church on her spare key keyring?  ::MonkeyTongue::

Me thinks she is covering her arse because she is a suspect.....

Was suspects not mentioned at the press conference.  This may imply a type of cult implication.

I read a while back that the drugging aspect of these crimes against children could be the reason that many do not come forward in later years.  There is not memory.  Abuse and pornographic filming can take place in a relatively short period of time.

Janet

There are too many coincidental things here.  Suitcase -connecting with Sandra through daughter-Familiar with the farm. 

Wow, so then that would answer the familiarity of the road by the ditch, that even the detective who lived in Tracy for years wasn't familiar with.

Yep exactly all the things I was thinking but couldn't put words to it. No wonder the detective didn't want to say anything, it is not all that difficult to get from point A to point B on this one.

I am still not clear on one thing, how did Sandra get from the MHP to outside the park? Maybe the mom as she was leaving asked Sandra if she wanted to "help" her?

That is what I believe, drugged and died as a result.

Mom as in mom to the Miranda girl, not Sandra sorry I hope no one thought I was saying anything about Sandra's mom.

Good afternoon, Monkeys ~

I remember a while back the police said they had not yet found a weapon in connection with Sandra's death, which would indicate that they suspect some instrument was used on her.

But, you may be right about the drugs as a contributing factor to the COD.  Don't toxicology reports usually take weeks?

I sure did, I thought how odd is that. ::MonkeyShocked::

Yes I was going to point that out also.  Didn't the detective say he had lived in Tracy for 15 years or so . . . a really long time.  The road must be very remote. 

Tracygirl, you may have already said this, but are you familiar with the road?

Not unusual at all, in this kind of thing, for women to be involved as well as men.  Not saying Melissa or anyone else is involved either, just saying a woman involved in some way is not unheard of.  In fact, is often the case in a porn ring or a cult type thing that involves children.  Because having one or more women in the midst can give a child (at first) the sense of things being safe, being able at first to more easily trust the adults who may be trying to lure the child in.  Often the one doing that luring is a woman, then the men take over. 

And these movies.. yeah.  Sometimes in a porn ring, for example, the adults may involve the child in actions that ermmmm shall we say, are for the purposes of posing the child/ren only.  Some actually include ermmmm more than posing.  With the child/ren being warned - threatened - told in some way DO NOT TELL or else..... (which *could be* why we see on that video of Sandra skipping along, then slowing down and looking kind of nervous, as she touches her hair, kind of glancing over at the home she was passing.... who knows?  but my hinky meter went up at that.... and this is the way a child who has been warned DO NOT TELL *would* act, fwiw)....

Some of these type of movies take it to the limit tho.  With involving the child/ren in more than posing.. to the point of actual death.  Those are called "snuff films".  And they actually record the actions - abuse - more - actual death, on film.  Those would, of course, go for the highest price on the beyond sicko perv market.   ::MonkeyWaa::

Still not saying that Melissa or any of these players are involved.

Just ermmmm wouldn't surprise me. 

Edit:  Fix typo


 

(snipped)


Well, we all know who else has keys to the church.....ole Fred Williams.

I have not been down that road, no. I thought it was private. I went up tracy blvd until the bend, I recall seeing fields with what looked like water. This is by the holly sugar plant an area which is slated for a race track to be built, (pretty sure that is the place)

Oooooooo.. typo!! 

".... or any of these players are in charge."

should read:

".... or any of these players are involved."   

No prob.  Fixed.

I think I am mixing stories, but could someone confirm for me, that at one of the early press conferences they said they had uncovered a child porn ring in Tracy?  In the process of the investigation is what I thought they said.  Does anyone remember this? 

Thank you for responding to my question. Honestly at this point nothing surprises me. I hadn't even thought about women doing anything to the kids..I need to take a shower.

I had a friend in high school who was killed in a snuff film, lucky the man was caught and sentanced for the crime. From the details given of the movie it was aweful.

 

In I believe January or February it was reported a man in Tracy was arrested on possessing child porn, downloading it and sharing it. The article stated the police are watching more then 60 people in the area for also being involved in watching, downloading and sharing it. Police has not told us who the 60 are and the man arrested is the only one so far.

Pretty interesting that she was sprucing up the classroom, yet the church was not open on Palm Sunday?

And even more amazing that a Baptist church was not open on Palm Sunday.

OK,  thanks so much.

Me too, and Wyks, that was a great post, and you broke down the statements with your comments, things I didn't even think about, thanks.

Thanks for that info, and it would not surprise me either.

I'm mixed up on this, I don't know if this info came before Sandra's disappearance or during, the so called Tracy 60.

Very, and since the congregation is so small, I wonder how many kids attend this church?

I thought it came afterward and was uncovered during the search for her.  I know the one guy whose wife runs a daycare was arrested before Sandra went missing, but I thought the 60 people mentioned were discovered after she disappeared.

There are Baptist churches and ... then there are Baptist churches and ... then there are Baptist churches.

However ... you are right spring2.  I cannot think of any functioning Christian church that recognizes Sunday as the Sabath that would not have its doors open for worship.

When all the connections in regards to that church and the piece of luggage that held Sandra Cantu's remains ... my hinky meter indicator has reached "high".

Janet

You're welcome, and thank you as well.  What you've written here too, is exactly correct.  And yes, it is scary.

They "appear" to control the mainstream media and the police departments, as well as our courts, our doctors, you name it, anywhere, because they infiltrate those and other areas with their own people.  I'm not some crazy conspiracy person.  This stuff IS true, for those who want to look hard and dig deep enough. 

I will add that one reason it is SOOOOOOO hard to bring this whole thing down *is* because of those higher-ups involved in every level of this stuff.   They control each and every aspect of this stuff.  (As an example, in how the huge drug cartel is ultimately in control of street druggies/dealers everywhere).

Besides the higher-ups who control everything, the majority of people involved with this sort of thing, have regular jobs, (ie the media, police depts, courts, doctors, nurses, gas station attendants, computer techs, gardners, babysitters, little league coaches, teachers, sunday school teachers, daycare workers, warehouse workers, bus and cab drivers, plumbers, social workers, therapists, etc etc etc).  They live in regular homes, on average streets, among average people of the world.  They live in mansions and among the homeless as well.  Meaning you and me, and the next door neighbors, all over the world.   They are where we are, living among us.  And you and I would be the first ones shocked out of our senses to learn the truth.   One good reason to really try and get to know your neighbors, friends, coworkers.  One never knows what another one does, in the privacy of their homes.  egad. 

After *good folks* become aware of the scope of all this, the problem becomes what to do what to do!!!!, to stop these folks in their activities, at every level, and how to actually do it.  When who one is fighting against are right there in the highest levels.  Go to the police?  Ermmm.. How do we know *which* are involved and are which aren't?  Go to the FBI/CIA?  Ermmm..  Go to our pastors/preachers/priests/rabbi/clergy?  Ermmm... Go to the media?  Ermmm... They've been told to put a freakin lid on it by the police!  Round and round we go.   ::MonkeyConfused:: 

Has anyone confirmed in any way that this church is even legit?  Is it just a building? 

I'm really starting to worry about what might have been going on in the church, in the "Sunday School" classroom, etc.

My thoughts exactly.

Janet

Well,  I did too!  hum....

I might need to hide after making this statement but, I have a gut feeling that is very strong, a female is the

person responsible for Sandra's murder.

My husband just said the news had some special report (they broke into the middle of the newscast) that something big was going on right now in Tracy.  He said a helicopter was circling above a farmhouse in which someone was holed up.

My husband has been wrong before, though if he's only heard half of something.  I'm going to check it out.  I'm not banking on his assessment being accurate yet, lol.

Thank you Tracygirl, it's ok and I understand the feeling of being at a loss for words.  Sometimes there just aren't any, and hugs fit the bill.  I know I'm not the only one (even reading/posting in here) who has experienced such and more, lived to tell what we can say of it.  Many of us are drawn to these cases, even if we cannot talk of our own stuff, in order to help another child and their families in some way, whatever way possible.  Many of us feel that altho we may not have gotten the help we needed, in a sense we'd like to see other children receive that help.  We'd like to see justice brought for the victim and families.  For the perps to get what they deserve!  And in some strange way, the whole process can bring a sense of justice to ourselves as well. 

We in SM are involved in that process together, and I thank you and the other monkeys for walking this road. 

 ::MonkeyWink::

I've got the same feeling.  I've got a cult or ring feeling, too.

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=57640&catid=2

Tracy Church Searched Again in Sandra Investigation
Posted By: C. Johnson     5 mins ago
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TRACY, CA - Law enforcement served a second search warrant Friday on Clover Road Baptist Church in Tracy in the investigation into the death of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu.

The church property, including a shed, was raided earlier in the week. The church pastor, Lane Lawless, lives in nearby Orchard Estates mobile home park where Sandra lived and was last seen alive on security tape March 27. Her body was recovered Monday from a suitcase in a holding pond two miles from the mobile home park. Autopsy results have not been released.

Earlier Friday afternoon, Tracy police responded to a local newspaper report that the granddaughter of Lawless, Melissa Huckaby, said she had a suitcase disappear the same day Sandra vanished. The woman didn't report the possible theft to police and Sgt. Tony Sheneman also said was no report of a stolen suitcase filed.

Sheneman also said the homicide investigation could mean more search warrants served on individuals, locations and vehicles but would not elaborate further.

Police have conducted dozens of interviews, including the residents of Orchard Estates. At least 15 search warrants have been served, at least six of them on residences in the mobile home park. Several vehicles were impounded.

"No one's been eliminated," Sheneman said.

Approximately 1,500 tips have come in to investigators, 400 of them since the girl's body was found.

"I would say we're making good progress," Sheneman said.

Condolences, Memorial Service

Fry Memorial Chapel on S. Central Avenue in Tracy is open for the community to write their messages to Sandra's family in a condolence book. The chapel is open Saturday and Sunday, 10 a.m. to 4 p.m.

The public memorial service for the victim is scheduled for Thursday, April 16 at West High School n Tracy on the 1700 block of West Lowell Avenue. Police said as of Friday there was seating for about 3,000 mourners but there were plans to try to open the stadium to the service. If that is possible, Sheneman said there would be room for as many as 8,000 to attend.

He also said there were only about 500 parking spaces around West High so he urged mourners to arrive early to find parking and be prepared to walk a distance.

Reward

The Tracy Crime Stoppers reward fund has grown to $32,000. Sheneman said anyone who still wishes to make a contribution might consider designating it for the Cantu family for expenses.

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

IMO, she just digs herself in deeper, with every word she says. 

You may be right, is Melissa married, and what I'm finding odd is she spent several days in ICU for internal bleeding, but is not commenting any further on this. Could someone have been kicking or punching Melissa, hence the internal bleeding?

Thanks Kimmy.  That's makes sense.  Perhaps whatever happened started out to be one thing, things got out of hand, and Sandra died.  The rest of what we are seeing may be the scramble to cover-up. 
 

Nice catches Wynks.....especially the time line issues with the kids getting out of school

Please disregard this post I made.  I think my husband was either confused or........confused.

I don't think anything's going on right now.  I can't figure out why they would have broken into the newscast, but I'm finding nothing online about any live action at this moment.

Klaas, if you want to delete that post of mine, I totally understand - don't want to work anyone up if there's no validity to it.

Flossy - you have added a disclaimer.  Unless it's the old stuff about locating her body, then it must be new.  Let's just wait and see.

wyks that WAS a good summary and I have a question? In the first reports hadn't Sandra gotten a ride home from school and was playing with a 5 yr old after school then went home and then back out? Was this Melissa who gave her a ride home from school?

Nothing on news 10 live online right now....

I agree with Wyks "IMO, she just digs herself in deeper, with every word she says. " And again, with all of the connections between these people and the church I just can not see how they/it is not involved in some way.

*crossing fingers* arrest soon please

Yes.  And with children who've grown up, there are memories, but they have been repressed.  Memories are stored in our body cells.  Our body remembers every single thing done to it.  But our brains are capable of seperating those memories from our conscious thinking, in effect shoving those memories so far back we don't even know they are are.  The brain does this so the victim can survive.  It may take years yearrrrrrrrrrsssss, for one tiny thing to happen in the life of the survivor, that brings forward even one tiny memory being stored in our body cells.  That's called a trigger.  It could be as simple as someone walking by wearing cologne and the smell of that triggers a memory in the survivor.  From that point on, the memories *can be* unravelled, one by one, with the help of a therapist.  Often the survivor themself is  shocked and surprised at the memories they didn't even know they had deep inside. 

It will take great effort of ethical therapists to help in retrieving those memories.  It can be done, and it likely will take a long amount of time in therapy.  And it can be done without the therapist leading, suggesting, or "planting" memories, or using hypnosis.  A child who has been drugged as part of the abuse, it's typically not a good idea to use hypnosis with that person to retrieve the memories of what occured while those drugs were given.  Trust tends to be one of the hugest factors in dealing with the retrieval of memories. 

   

Good Gravy, what an afternoon.

Everything we need to know about what happened and by whom is in Melissa's statement, of that I am 100%. Noticably, she left out whether Williams was at the church when she was there, AND the "rummage sale"...

I want to stop and commend the Investigators in this case.. Can you imagine in an emotionally charged case like this what it is like to know what happened and still be charged with abiding protocol and building the case from an evidentiary perspective? I work with these guys, I COULD NEVER be one of them, I would be in jail. Yeesh.

I don't know Rose I have been busy today and not keeping up, its just a strong feeling I have. Grands have been on spring break so I had mimi duty last week which means no news for me unless Hannah Montana had it on her show. ::MonkeyTongue::

That's a good question!  It seems by what they've said so far, (if we are to believe any of it), that Sandra was looking for something to do, perhaps bored, walking back to see if her other friend could play yet.  This woman in her neighborhood, mom of her friend, a church lady, perhaps asking for her help for a few minutes, I can see where she may have thought it would be an ok thing to go with.  Sadly enough. 

It sure wouldn't be as weird as some dude coming up and saying please help me find my puppy.  In that kind of thing most kids know to scream and run the other way. 

Oh my, too much Hannah Montana  ::MonkeyHaHa:: I think you could be right, Melissa and Williams perhaps. One thing I wanted to bring up that Tracygirl commented on, "I am still not clear on one thing, how did Sandra get from the MHP to outside the park? Maybe the mom as she was leaving asked Sandra if she wanted to "help" her?" I think that was a great thought, Melissa asking Sandra if she wanted to help at the school.

I'm sorry I meant to say church not school. Sandra knew her, she played with her daughter, so I'm sure she trusted Melissa.

Teen says man acting 'real strange' at pond where girl's body found

Associated Press - April 10, 2009 9:13 PM ET

TRACY, Calif. (AP) - A 19-year-old police cadet says he saw someone "acting real strange" at the irrigation pond where an 8-year-old California girl's body was found in a suitcase.

Stephen Memory lives near the pond. He says he told the FBI that he saw a beige Chevrolet Silverado truck parked on the shoulder of the road facing in the wrong direction three days before the discovery of Sandra Cantu's body.

Memory says the driver appeared to be looking down at the ditch beside the road. He says only a handful of cars travel the remote, dead end road on a typical day.

Memory describes the driver as a white man in his late 40s or early 50s wearing a white baseball cap and gray T-shirt. He says he slowly drove by to get a good look at the man.

No suspects have been named in the case, but police say the department has received nearly 1,500 tips in the search for the girl's killer.

http://www.kxxv.com/Global/story.asp?S=10166592

Awwwww thanks Muffy, you're a gem!   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.kcra.com/news/19149311/detail.html

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FBI Continues Searching Church In Cantu Case
Pastor's Granddaughter Confirms Note Found Mentions Cantu

POSTED: 11:14 am PDT April 10, 2009
UPDATED: 6:19 pm PDT April 10, 2009


TRACY, Calif. -- The FBI continued on Friday its search of Clover Road Baptist Church in connection with the Sandra Cantu homicide case.


Melissa Huckaby, the granddaughter of Clover Road Baptist Church's pastor, the Rev. Lane Lawless, said on Friday that the suitcase in which Cantu was found matched one that was stolen from her. Huckaby also said that she found a note the day after Cantu's disappearance.

According to Huckaby, the note said, "Cantu, Suitcase, Water. The word 'suitcase' was misspelled, and there were two street names including the word 'Whitehall.'"

Cantu disappeared March 27 from her family's home in Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park.


On Monday morning, farm workers found a black, sealed suitcase while they were draining a pond near Bacchetti Road, about two miles from Orchard Estates. The area is full of agricultural fields, plowed land waiting to be planted and some irrigation ditches. It's adjacent to a dairy farm.

The luggage was taken into the county morgue, where the 8-year-old's body was identified.

"I wish they could have found her a lot sooner, if they would have followed up on this a lot sooner," Huckaby said.

A public memorial service will be held at 1 p.m. Thursday at the Merrill F. West High School gym, Sgt. Tony Sheneman said during a media update on Thursday afternoon. The gym seats about 2,500 people, he said.

Anyone wishing to reach Cantu's family may route condolences to the Tracy Police Department, which has assigned a liaison to work with relatives. Those wishing to make donations of money in the girl's memory are being asked to contact the Carole Sund/Carrington Foundation.

I will say if Melissa is involved I'm somewhat shocked, I was not expecting a woman, but I still think that some of those unsavory men in that mobile park, may not be involved with Sandra's death, but I'm betting they found child porn with some of these characters.

That could be very well what happened, it was said Sandra was friendly and outgoing...so she would be eager to help...so sad,and she just had a birthday,so heartbreaking.

Tracy Pastor Speaks Out About Cantu Girl
April 10, 2009 05:53 PM PDT
April 10, 2009 06:21 PM PDT

SALINAS, Calif.- Pastor Lane Lawless and his wife Connie, two of the hundreds of people questioned by Tracy police in the case of the missing 8-year-old girl found dead Monday, attended church services in Salinas Friday.
Lawless, whose brother-in-law is the pastor of the Alisal Baptist Church in Salinas, sat among friends and family in a pew inside the church. In one of his first TV interviews, Lawless said it's been a rough few weeks.

"There's no need to fall apart just keep going," said Lawless.

Lawless and his wife said they were questioned hours after 8-year-old Sandra Cantu went missing from the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park on March 27.

"Nerve-racking...(it's) not anything we've ever gone through before," said Lawless.

His wife, Connie, said the questioning lasted through the weekend.

"That evening the FBI came back and questioned us until 11:00 that night," said Connie.

Tracy police and FBI agents also converged on the Clover Road Baptist Church, where Lawless preached.

"I can assume why they are investigating us," said Connie. "It's our proximity and it's where she was last seen and because of that the church."

Lawless' niece Amy McCLure said it was surreal to see her aunt and uncle on TV portrayed in that light.

"For this to be a possibility, it's unfathomable in our minds and people who know them," said McClure. "We can see how it looks, but there's no doubt with me they're innocent."

Lawless and his wife said they had known and cared for Sandra for about six years.

"I don't think she ever came by our house without stopping," said Lawless.

Connie said her death is devastating.

"You can't even imagine even the worst thing in world that could happen to you and then to find that little thing's body, she'll never get over this, but I pray to God give her peace and comfort," said Connie, referring to Sandra's mother who Connie said broke down in screams after learning of her daughter's death.

http://www.kcba.com/Global/story.asp?S=10166530

I wonder if this was Williams, I did see a pic of his home somewhere, and he lives in a very nice home. I don't know if it has been mentioned what kind of car or truck he drives.

I'll call it what it is  ::MonkeyCool::TOO!!!! If it looks like BS and smells like BS, IT'S PROBABLY BS!!!

Rose nothing shocks me anymore. I never would have thought so many children would be murdered as we have seen.  The laws must change for the sake of our children.

Yeppers!!  And I wonder how "handy" ole Fred was around that church.  She didn't have her cell phone, could he have just been hanging round, in order to let her in?  Otherwise how would he know to let her in?  The way he let the pastor in? 

I was adopted into a Baptist deacon's family.  Not too many in the church had a key.  My adoptive dad did (head deacon), the pastor, secretary, groundskeeper did.  And we had hundreds of members.  And during the day, usually only the secretary, pastor, groundskeeper were there.  On some days, here and there, no one was there.  On Fridays in the afternoon tho, rarely was anyone there. 

Just seems real odd, in a hinky peculiar way, that there was anyone at that church (who has only 15 members) with a key, on a friday late afternoon.  IMO

So, here we've got yet another instance in which someone other than the perp is blamed.   Coincidence?  I think not.  Melissa and Williams both placed the blame elsewhere - on Sandra's family and now on LE.  They both gave different stories about the luggage.  Hmmm. 

Yep.  It's like when LE began lifting one rock, a whole lot of different things slithered out.  As in many towns across the USA.  Unfortunately, this time was in Tracy.  IMO

Melissa Huckaby, the granddaughter of Clover Road Baptist Church's pastor, the Rev. Lane Lawless, said on Friday that the suitcase in which Cantu was found matched one that was stolen from her. Huckaby also said that she found a note the day after Cantu's disappearance.

According to Huckaby, the note said, "Cantu, Suitcase, Water. The word 'suitcase' was misspelled, and there were two street names including the word 'Whitehall.'"
 Well, this is just getting plain ridiculous, now Melissa found a note, sure someone left you a note, this woman really needs to shut up, everytime she talks, more bull comes out. I really want to know more about two things, that internal bleeding, which really has my hinky meter working overtime, and more about the claims of drugging and molesting, and I believe I read about charges of theft in So Ca.

***If Melissa is responsible for all this she has to be the stupidest criminal in recent memory.......

Yes, I'd like to know exactly when she reported this "note" to the police. 

and where did she find this note??  The police do not have to say anything, she is telling everything!  Strange things a happening!

That's what I want to know, where did she find that note. I'm obsessing on her internal bleeding and spending days in the ICU, I wonder if she had bruises and scratches also?

Guilty Dogs Barking ::MonkeyRoll::

You're welcome! 

I'm so sorry about your friend.  (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/hug.gif)

Very glad the man was caught and sentenced!!  And yeah, these type of movies being made contain the worst of the worst.  Which is one reason the typical average person would be horrified in learning the details of.  Learning that human beings are capable of such things to another, esp an innocent child. 

It's one reason I keep to myself so much, in my offline life.  I would much prefer the presence of my lil doxie to that of actual people, who IMO, cannot be trusted.  There is so much game-playing going on, and I'm so sick of games.  Dogs are real, they don't lie and the only games they like to play are fetch and sit for a treat, etc. 

Exactly!!!!   ::MonkeyEek::

Can someone tell me where to look for the info in regards to some charges that Melissa Huckaby denies are against her, but supposedly are against some other Melissa Huckaby?  She claimed that it's a different MH, but I thought I read that the cellphone numbers and a couple of other identifying pieces of info were exactly the same, sinking her false identification claim.

I could swear I read it here, but I'm not sure.


::MonkeyConfused::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4833.msg762511#msg762511

Read on down a bit. 

I think it was in a article posted.  It named the same cell phone and address, but she said it wasn't her and didn't know how that could happen.  According to the article, this 'MH' has a court date in late April on one of the charges.  It was posted here, I am pretty sure.   It also listed a county where the charges are pending.  I would like to see her mug shot if you find it.  I want to see this Sunday school teacher. 

From my experience in church, it's often one rule of thumb (not always) to take the number of the members and double it for the approximate number of children in attendance.  Of course there could be more or less, depending on the neighborhood the church is in.  Such as close to a school, or more for retired folks, etc.  So it wouldn't surprise me if there were about 30 kids at that church, more or less.

You're welcome NoRose! 

You are fast and great Muffybee!   


this is where we should search.....

The complaint says she’s on probation in San Joaquin County and is due back in court on April 17, when she might be sentenced.

Does anyone have the link to that church handy?  There was a question asked about that site in the last thread that still has me thinking, and I can't find the link again.  Thanks!! 

so you get a note that talks about a suitcase so you place on on your driveway???? She is making her cover story.

This is my thought on what happened. She had Sandra at her home, she drugged her and placed her in the suitcase, placed it infront on the driveway, either she took it to the church, it was on rollers after all, she leaves it with maybe williams then she goes back home. He does whatever. Or maybe she left sandra in the suitcase on the driveway and someone comes to pick her up.

She may have died in the suitcase because of drugs?

She is involved, that is clear.

I also wonder if she is talking about a letter given the news on the good friday killer from I think Texas. I read about it on CNN

I think she and Casey Anthony might have been separated at birth  ::MonkeyEek::

But that is what's so weird, I've read that there are only about 15 parishoners at the church, I believe we were discussing this yesterday, and the Sunday school, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, show from 2002 on their website. So, like no Sunday school at this church for awhile now. I'm confused with this.  ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/

This one?

goodnite good monkees....hope we get an arrest tomorrow...

She apparently has some emotional/physiological issues....you think??

Thanks, Muffy and AZSunny!!

Oh my gosh, this woman is beyond words.
Every time she opened her mouth I become more and more baffled by her. Who does she think she is kidding? Does she really think people will believe what she is shoveling out?
Holey cow.

Good night cookie.

On the website, the last 'Sunday school lesson for the week" was posted in 2002 or 2003.  No idea if they still had a Sunday School class.  No idea if they even still had services.   

She lived in so cal? Didn't williams live in so ca too? Was it Hawthorn? Where is it she lived?

Interesting Tracygirl....wonder if the both lived in so cal was it around the same time?

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Her grandfather — who police also questioned — has had tools stolen from his home there, she said, and she had heard of petty theft and vandalism at the park all the time. So she said she wasn’t surprised when she discovered her suitcase gone.

But by the time she had time to file a stolen property report police had already started knocking on everyone’s door, asking about Sandra.

“They asked me if I noticed anything suspicious, so of course I told them about my missing suitcase,” Huckaby said.

Police questioned her and she said she gave them permission to search her car for evidence, too.

Huckaby has spent several days since last week in the intensive care unit at Sutter Tracy Community Hospital for “internal bleeding,” though she refused to say exactly what condition she was admitted for. She was released Thursday morning, she said.

Police had interviewed her at the hospital.

“It’s where I was, and I told them that’s where I was, so they came just because they had a few questions to ask me about what I know,” she said.

Dispatchers said over the police scanner on Tuesday that officers were “changing detail” at the hospital, where they had evidently been stationed for several hours.

Court records show a 28-year-old Melissa Huckaby pleaded no contest on Jan. 9 to a felony charge of second degree commercial burglary and a misdemeanor charge of petty theft with prior theft/burglary/robbery. The criminal complaint says she was locked up in Los Angeles County for conviction of petty theft in November 2006 and that she tried to steal something from Target in November last year.

The complaint says she’s on probation in San Joaquin County and is due back in court on April 17, when she might be sentenced.

The documents list the woman’s address as 812 W. Clover Road, Space No. 57, which city property records show is owned by Clifford Lane Lawless and Connie Lawless.

The Melissa Huckaby interviewed today said that’s not her.

Asked why the address and cell phone number in the court documents match her own, she said she has no idea.

“I don’t know what to say,” she said. “That’s not me.”

She definitely sounds like another Casey Anthony. 

Woman in mobile home park reported missing suitcase
by Jennifer Wadsworth

5 hrs ago

A Sunday school teacher said someone took her black rolling suitcase from the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park on the day 8-year-old homicide victim Sandra Cantu disappeared.

It’s a huge suitcase, 28-year-old Melissa Huckaby said in a phone interview Friday, waterproof and charcoal-trimmed with an Eddie Bauer logo.

Police have yet to confirm whether it’s the same one found Monday morning that contained Sandra’s dead body.

Farmworkers discovered a suitcase that generally matches Huckaby’s description submerged in a dairy lagoon 2 miles north of the mobile home park where Sandra lived.

For the past year, after moving from Southern California, Huckaby and her 5-year-old daughter has lived at the same mobile home park with Huckaby’s grandparents, Clifford Lane Lawless and Connie Lawless, she said.

Sandra went missing March 27, the same day and in the same late-afternoon hour that Huckaby said the black suitcase disappeared from her driveway.

“There’s been a lot of speculation on the news about what happened to my suitcase,” she said Friday. “It’s not my granddad’s. It’s mine, and someone took it.”

Huckaby teaches Sunday school at Clover Road Baptist Church, her grandfather’s church just down the street from the mobile home park. She spruces up the church classroom every few months, she said, and had packed up the suitcase with everything she needed to redo the room that day.

Sandra had stopped at her house earlier and asked to play with her daughter, Huckaby said. But Huckaby said she didn’t want her daughter to play, because she had to pick up her toys. So Sandra left for another friend’s house, she said.

The 18 seconds of surveillance footage that shows Sandra playfully skipping by her family’s home show her on her way back to Huckaby’s home after leaving that other friend’s house, Huckaby said.

After Sandra left, her oldest sister, Miranda, went to Huckaby’s house, too. Huckaby asked Miranda if she could watch her daughter for her while she went down the street to the church. Connie Lawless was home, too.

Huckaby then set the packed suitcase on the driveway by her dark purple Kia SUV — the same one FBI agents and Tracy police detectives towed and searched Tuesday night. But she forgot her cell phone and keys inside the house, so she went back in for about 15 minutes to find them. She couldn’t, so she picked up the spare key and left.

She forgot about the suitcase and left it on the driveway.

When she got to the church, Huckaby’s grandmother called and said she found her keys and cell phone. Huckaby said that’s when she realized she had left the $200 suitcase outside. When her family went out to get it, they said it was gone.

“So I talked to the assistant manager at the mobile home park and asked him to keep an eye out for this suitcase; someone took it,” Huckaby said. “I also told some older kids to look out for it. I didn’t think much then, because, you know, kids were getting out of school, and I thought that maybe someone, maybe someone walking by, just took it.”

She called Tracy police intending to file a report but decided to do it online. She never got around to it.

Her grandfather — whom police also questioned — has had tools stolen, she said, and she had heard of plenty of petty theft and vandalism at the park. So she said she wasn’t surprised when she discovered her suitcase gone.

But by the time she had time to file a stolen property report, police had already started knocking on everyone’s door, asking about Sandra.

“They asked me if I noticed anything suspicious, so of course I told them about my missing suitcase,” Huckaby said.

Police questioned her, and she said she gave them permission to search her car for evidence, too.

Huckaby has spent several days since last week in the intensive care unit at Sutter Tracy Community Hospital for “internal bleeding,” though she refused to say exactly what condition she was admitted for. She was released Thursday morning, she said.

Police interviewed her at the hospital.

“It’s where I was, and I told them that’s where I was, so they came just because they had a few questions to ask me about what I know,” she said.

Dispatchers said over the police scanner on Tuesday that officers were “changing detail” at the hospital, where they had evidently been stationed for several hours.

Court records show a 28-year-old Melissa Huckaby pleaded no contest Jan. 9 to a felony charge of second degree commercial burglary and a misdemeanor charge of property theft with prior theft/burglary/robbery. The criminal complaint says she was locked up in Los Angeles County for conviction of property theft in November 2006 and that she tried to steal something from Target in November last year.

The complaint says she’s on probation in San Joaquin County and is due back in court on April 17, when she might be sentenced.

The documents list the woman’s address as 812 W. Clover Road, Space No. 57, which city property records show is owned by Clifford Lane Lawless and Connie Lawless.

The Melissa Huckaby interviewed Friday said that’s not her.

Asked why the address and cell phone number in the court documents match her own, she said she has no idea.

“I don’t know what to say,” she said. “That’s not me.”

Police refuse to comment publicly on any details about the murder case, including Huckaby’s narrative.

Police have scheduled a press conference for 3:30 today after cancelling two this morning.

No arrests have been made, and no suspects named, though hundreds of people have been questioned.

• Contact Tracy Press reporter Jennifer Wadsworth at 830-4225 or jwadsworth@tracypress.com.

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article-Woman%20in%20mobile%20home%20park%20reported%20missing%20suitcase%20=&page_label=home&id=2298054-Woman+in+mobile+home+park+reported+missing+suitcase&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&open=&

Good Night, I'll be going soon to bed also.

Flossy, this is what I'm wondering too, if the church is even legit.  I'm about to go digging on that pastor's credentials too, as others are likely doing, cuz just from the sound of it earlier in this thread or the last one, those sound VERY hinky to me.  Not the "norm" for any Baptist pastor I've ever heard of.  And things going on there and not going on there, not the "norm".  Not that I'm an expert.  Just having been Baptist for so many years, and familiar with the runnings of a church cuz of my adoptive dad, and all. 

Not all churches within one denomination are just alike, of course.  Yet there tends to be enough similiarities that when none of those are present, it's like... red flags down all over the place.  Example, other pastors in the community seem to think things are a tad odd, because the pastor of this church does not join with them for their reg. scheduled get-to-togethers in the community.  This is something that most Baptist pastors enjoy doing, even look forward to!!  Most communities, church leaders get together at some point during every year, if not every week or every month.  Ladies in a church do the same, with ladies in other churches in the same denomination.  Children as well.  Kids have church summer camp with kids in the other churches, every summer, and have a huge blast! 

When one pastor/church avoids the other pastors/churches in the same denomination... for anything... well this tends to, at the very least, cause the rest to raise an eyebrow.   
 

BTW, the Tracy 60 was told to us in January. It may have been brought up in a press conference and it has been discussed among locals a lot, especially after Sandra's kidnapping. It was just about a month before Kyle escaped from his house of horrors, then the softball coach was arrested and we were told about the 60 others who are under surveillance.

I happen to believe all of the crimes are related and we will see an interlink when all is said and done

I've seen Cypress, Whittier, Brea and I think Hawthorne.  I might have seen LaHabra, too.  All Southern Cal.

I'm interested about this, what is the letter about the Good Friday killer from Texas.  ::MonkeyConfused::

You let us know what you find Wyks.
I know we all feel the same way but I need to say it again, something is just not right here. Maybe I should have that be in my signature line.

I agree completely.  I don't think this church has been functioning as a church for some time.  That said, who knows if it was ever legit?

I know I read that this guy was schooled by his father in law and before that had nothing to do with the church, apparently.

Hinky stinky!

Thanks k9!  By the way, love your avatar!   ::MonkeyWink::

So, indeed the Lawless house was the last place she was seen??

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked::

After reading about this so called note that Melissa found, I am know wondering about that note that was found at the memorial, that was supposedly written by Sandra to her killer. I just thought it was some crackpot trying to insert themselves into this case somehow, but now I'm wondering if whoever took Sandra had her write this note, I'm interested to find out if this note was Sandra's handwritting.

Wyks ~  flossy did a disclaimer  later and said her hubby must have had this mixed up and asked us to remove post if need be.  Klaas said to leave it, in case it turned out to be so.  In other words, nothing has come of this YET. 

Thanks leslee!   And great questions!  Hope other monkeys have the answers, would like to know as well. 

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ABOUT PASTOR LANE LAWLESS

http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/Pastor1.html

I read that Sandra got a ride home from school from her grandpa, and then he left for work. She  did go and play with a five year old, the five year old who told her mother that Sandra was talking about running away from home, now my question is, was this five year old Melissa's daughter? I thought at the time how strange that Sandra would say such a thing to this child, but if this was Melissa's daughter, this makes more sense to me now. If this story about running away is coming from Melissa, this is just more lies from Melissa's mouth.

This is all very weird.  Notes can be traced through source of paper, ink, handwriting, fingerprints and other things.  And there is more than one note then?  Geez.  How many cases do we see with multiple notes?  Do we know if the note Melissa says she found was turned over to LE?  I should hope so!  There doesn't seem to be much info about the note(s). 

The pieces of the puzzle are all coming together.

Janet

Yep, sounds like yet another load offered up by Melissa.

Thanks, so the members section is not up. And also I don't understand what that trail of blood section is about.

With all of the twists and turns this case is getting stranger and stranger! 

As far as Melissa Huckaby goes, if she had indeed found a note.. and.. if the suitcase was hers and is the EXACT same suitcase that Sandra was found in.....don't you think that LE would have forbidden her to talk to the press about it since it would then be evidence?  And how does she know that HER suitcase is the same suitcase that Sandra was found in? Did LE have her come down and ID it?

Something else that is interesting. A couple of days ago in one of the local news sites, can't remember which one since I have been reading so many!  Anyway, a local Tracy woman had posted in the comments that she used to live in this trailer park and after hearing about Sandra went to go visit her former neighbors. This woman said....and I can't verify if she is telling the truth or not..... that she was told that the Pastor's daughter was dating Chris Sinclair.  If this is true I am now wondering if maybe they meant Melissa? or is Melissa married?

It appears the church's website has not been updated since 2001.

That is weird.

Janet

His daughter's name is Joni.  Melissa is a granddaughter.   

I wonder if that's true or not.

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Hi Monkeys
I'm new here, I started following you closely when the bag was discovered.  I was approved today to join you AWESOME Monkeys.  I've followed Haleigh for 3 weeks when I found SM site.  Please bare with me if I mess up posting.  I'm truly new at this.
Glad to be here

Welcome to Scared Monkeys Izzy58   ::MonkeyDance::

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Very interesting and WELCOME.

The pieces are coming together and ... a picture is emerging.

Janet

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Police Eye Oakdale Property in Search for Sandra
FOX40 News
April 2, 2009

On Thursday, April 1st, police expanded their search to the Tracy landfill as well as a home in Oakdale.  Authorities tell us the home belongs to a relative of Chris Sinclair, a resident of the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park who has been identified as a person of interest in the case.  FOX40 spoke with Sinclair, who says he's not sure why he's under investigation.  Sinclair said he returned home earlier this week, and both of his cars were gone.  He says police asked if he knew anything about Sandra's disappearance.  Martial arts instructor, Frank Wohler, is another person of interest who has  been questioned by police.  He lives a few houses down from Sandra and peaked the interest of investigators when they learned he kissed Sanda on the lips at the community pool two years ago.  Wohler says he was just being friendly and nice.  "It's kinda my nature and I haven't talked to her since.  I've seen her in the park, but that's it," Wohler said.

http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_local_headlines/?Police-Eye-Oakdale-Property-in-Search-fo=1&blockID=256041&feedID=190

Not much info at all about these notes.

Hi momoftwins  ::MonkeyCool::

It's great to have you here.

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WELCOME MOMOFTWINS  ::MonkeyDance::

The tracy woman didn't give a name, she only said that the pastor's daughter and CS were dating.  After all we have heard it now makes you wonder!

FWIW, I have received anonymous emails saying this. Can't confirm because they arrived by proxy..

Melissa would be one of Lawless' nine grandchildren.

Janet

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ABOUT PASTOR LANE LAWLESS

Pastor Lawless' wife, Connie, is the daughter of A.A. and Irene Harris. They were married by Eld. Harris on July 9, 1960 in Modesto, CA. They have three grown children Brian, Brett, and Joni, who are all involved in God's work, and nine beloved grandchildren.

http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/Pastor1.html

So... Melissa herself found the note.   ::MonkeyEek::  I don't think my hinky meter can get any higher! 

It makes you wonder, and I'm really wondering about Sinclair's cousins home in Oakdale. There was another residence in Tracy also served with a search warrant, have not heard a thing about that either.

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/04/09/good-friday-child-killer/

A link to the story... someone asked for information

WOW!  Maybe some truth to it?! 

Wow.

I am very concerned for Melissa's five year old daughter.  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Do we know what Sinclair drives?

Thanks Muffy!   ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks!  Finally got approved today  ::MonkeyWink::

Welcome, Momoftwins and Izzy!

You'll love being Monkeys. 

Oh by the way.....I'm from Modesto....not too far from Tracy.

Oh my, thanks, I have not heard of this case.

Alright, another California Monkey!

Melissa Huckaby is some sort of POI by her own admission. This internal bleeding thing is a good bit odd and I'm sure the police know exactly what type of internal bleeding this could or would be.

Doesn't sound like female problems due to a variety of causes we all know about, but possibly some type of injury. I guess we may never really know unless she is named a suspect due to privacy laws and rightfully so.

I did find it extremely interesting that the police have never really confirmed that the suitcase was reported stolen, or if they did I missed it. But in turn someone volunteered that info. Very suspect if you ask me and the suitcase is reportedly a similar case. Very very interesting.

Either way - this case and who killed Sandra is move in a competent direction and I don't think it will be much longer until it all comes together and the explanation will be front and center.

http://www.kron.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1012/reftab/36/t/Police-Return-to-Church-Near-Tracy-Mobile-Home-Park/Default.aspx


TRACY (KRON) – Police are continuing their investigation into the murder of eight-year-old Sandra Cantu by returning to a church near the mobile home park where the Tracy girl was last seen alive.

KRON 4’s Dan Kerman says a dozen officers arrived at the Clover Road Baptist Church Friday afternoon. While officers spent about 20-30 minutes trying to get into a shed near the church, other officers searched the perimeter of the property. Once they were able to get in, Dan says officers took pictures inside the shed. He notes that it doesn’t appear as though they removed anything from the shed or church building.

According to Dan, this latest search might be related to a Friday afternoon press conference, when multiple questions were asked about Pastor Lane Lawless’ granddaughter, 28-year-old Melissa Huckaby, and if she had reported a missing suitcase. While Huckaby told the Tracy Press that her black suitcase was stolen from her driveway the day Sandra went missing, Sergeant Tony Sheneman said there have been no police reports about a missing suitcase and did not make any further comments on that information.

The Tracy Crime Stopper reward to find the person or persons responsible for Sandra’s murder is now up to $32,000.

The police sergeant says he's been in contact with the Governor Schwarzenegger’s office about victim compensation, and is planning on talking to the Cantu family about that at a later time.

Sandra went missing the afternoon of March 27th. On Monday, farm workers were preparing an irrigation pond just two miles from the mobile home park when a black suitcase floated to the surface. Police were called to the scene and opened the large piece of rolling luggage at an undisclosed location later that evening. They say they were able to identify the body of the eight-year-old because she was wearing the same clothing she was last seen in – a pink “Hello Kitty” t-shirt and black leggings.

Watch the KRON 4 news and stay with KRON4.com for all the latest developments on the search for Sandra’s killer.

I tried to hunt down that woman's post but couldn't find it.  There have been so many new articles on all the web sites so it's been hard trying to track it down.

There was two vehicles taken from him, one with a Wyoming license plate, which originally belonged to his deceased brother, and the other a white suv, Blink I think wrote that Slaytor and Sinclair had the same type vehicle, Isuza, I know I spelled that car maker wrong. ::MonkeyConfused::

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Thanks Muffy!  Yes, saw that as I continued to read.  I really gotta learn to do catch-up reading first before posting.  Still and all, if that happened, there's likely a reason for it, even if they aren't talking more about it.  Dunno.  Am waiting with the rest of you, watching this unfold...

That internal bleeding is very odd, and I just can't seem to drop it in my mind. I'm thinking perhaps Sandra kicked and punched Melissa, of course this is just my thoughts. Sandra looked like a little girl that would fight, and I hope that if this is the case, there are also scratches on the perp's body.

Wyks ~  Sometimes things move so fast, you really can't do your catch up reading before you post.  And then you might forget where you were or what you wanted to post, if you are like me...  Someone will always help out and set you straight, right?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Sorry, Wyks.  As soon as I hit "post", I knew I shouldn't have. 

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Thanks, Muff!  You sure are quick!  Holy cow!

Forgot to mention that I personally think if this Melissa said she found a note that said, "Cantu, Suitcase, Water.
IMO she's trying to set up an Alibi for herself.

Yeppers that's right!!  And thank goodness for that!   ::MonkeyWink::   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Yes, and I also found it interesting in the article that cartfly just posted about LE going back to the church this afternoon, and that shed on the church grounds, which I thought they already investigated.

http://www.tracypress.com/


Tracy PD removed a bed from the church!

I googled "cause of internal bleeding" ~

http://www.formulamedical.com/Topics/Symptoms/Bleeding%20internal.htm

and this:

http://symptoms.wrongdiagnosis.com/cosymptoms/internal-bleeding.htm
Results: 9 causes of Internal bleeding

      1. Autoimmune Thrombocytopenia
      2. Froster-Iskenius-Waterson syndrome
      3. Hemophilia
      4. Hepatoma
      5. Kaposi sarcoma
      6. Liver cancer
      7. Ovarian cysts
      8. Scurvy
      9. Vitamin K deficiency

OMG  ::MonkeyEek::

Church searched again
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Three investigators this evening took what appeared to be a fold-up bed from a church that an FBI team had already searched two days ago in connection to the murder of 8-year-old Tracy girl Sandra Cantu.

The Clover Road Baptist Church lies just yards from the mobile home park where Sandra was last seen alive March 27. Her body was found by farmworkers 10 days later stuffed inside a suitcase and submerged in a dairy pond two miles north of where she lived with her family in Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park.

Exactly two weeks after her disappearance and five days since police identified her dead body, investigators had little to tell the public without “compromising the integrity of the investigation,” Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said.

He did say he’s confident they’re heading in the right direction and even narrowing down the search for a killer.

FBI searched the Baptist church through Tuesday night. By Wednesday, they had removed the yellow crime-scene tape, though they never said whether they’d ruled it out as a crime scene or whether they’d gleaned anything useful.

By this evening, the crime-scene tape was back up again, and FBI agents and police were seen on the roof, in the shed and taking a pretty big piece of evidence — about the size of a curbside garbage can — from inside the church and into a crime scene van.

Another crime-scene van parked outside the mobile home park, where police have questioned every resident several times since Sandra’s disappearance.

Pastor of the church Lane Lawless — identified in property records as Clifford Lane Lawless — told the press earlier this week that he and his family are fully cooperating with police during the investigation because they want the killer found and their names cleared.

Their granddaughter Melissa Huckaby, 28, who lives with them, said the same. She told the Press earlier in the day today that police had towed her car, interviewed her and questioned her relatives in connection with the investigation.

She said her 5-year-old daughter used to play with Sandra and that news of the girl’s death was devastating to her and her family.

She also said she’d lost a suitcase the same hour Sandra went missing. The suitcase she lost closely matched the description of the suitcase in which police found Sandra’s fully clothed remains on Monday.

Police have scheduled a press conference for 10 a.m. Saturday.

Also Tracy Crime Stoppers announced late today that it had increased its reward for information that leads to Sandra's killer to $31,700.

• Contact Tracy Press reporter Jennifer Wadsworth at 830-4225 or jwadsworth@tracypress.com.