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Yeah I made it on the 1st page of a new thread!!! ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

 Finalllllllllllyyyyyyyyy ::MonkeyDance::

im here

WOOHOOOOOO!!! I made it FIRST!!! This is my first time being FIRST!!!  YIPPEE!!!!  LOL!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::  New Cage!!

let's see those eyes bug out now beyooootch

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Death penalty!!!!

How ya like those poptarts now???

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Sorry guys - doesn't happen often  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDance::


GNM  Phil Keating is a reporter on Fox.

Hi guys, had to take a different route to get here!  ::MonkeyTongue:: Jammsnana you like very handsome too, just like josef!!! I don't know how to Polka though!!

Good Morning Klaas.  ::MonkeyDance::

We were so well behaved -- like a bunch of children after eating dozens of chocolate bars.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Sorry, Jamms supposed to be YOU LOOK VERY HANDSOME!!!!! Congrats on being First!!! ::MonkeyDance::

I Thank you  (and BRANDI) for the compliment! My baby is very cute in her Patriotic Tiara!! I wish I could have heard the conversation at the Anthony home last night!!

Decorating the new cage -- no more Prince  ::MonkeyTongue::

http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/19168682/detail.html (http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/19168682/detail.html)

State To Seek Death Penalty For Casey Anthony
Baez Not Qualified To Defend In Death Penalty Case

EDIT to add Baez Not Qualified; Petrified Turd joins dream team

CC must be back there trying to collect funds.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

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You all cheated me out of my money!!!!   Just for that, I'm going to mess up the new cage!!!!

New document released...

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He tricked me!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

BBL - gotta take Sassy back to the vet and get her stiches out.  She had a cancerous tumor on her ear.   They got it all and she is fine.

Good Morning, trying to catch up I was lost on page 103   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Casey Anthony case
Death-penalty possibility changes much in Casey Anthony case, experts say

By Amy L. Edwards and Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writers
    April 14, 2009

Prosecutors raised the stakes in the Casey Anthony murder case Monday, announcing they will seek the death penalty for the single mother accused of killing her child.

The State Attorney's Office previously declared that it hoped to send Anthony to prison for life. Prosecutors announced that decision Dec. 5 — less than a week before investigators found the bones of 2-year-old Caylee Marie in woods near her family home.

Since then, sheriff's investigators have gathered additional evidence and "sufficient aggravating circumstances exist to justify the imposition of the Death Penalty" if Anthony is found guilty, according to the notice filed late Monday by prosecutor Linda Drane Burdick.

Anthony, 23, is charged with first-degree murder in the death of Caylee, who disappeared last summer. Anthony maintains that the child was taken by a baby sitter who has not been found. Prosecutors in murder cases are required to declare before trial whether they will seek the death penalty.

Her lawyers criticized the state's change of plan.

"This is not a death-penalty case. We will do whatever is necessary to defend Casey Anthony from the state trying to take her life," said Marti Mackenzie, spokeswoman for defense lawyer José Baez.

Some legal experts characterized the state's move as unusual and said it could be a sign of potential weakness.

Bob Jarvis, who teaches legal ethics and law and popular culture at Nova Southeastern University in Fort Lauderdale, said there are two reasons why prosecutors would put the death penalty on the table.

One reason — the one he thinks is most likely in this case — is that prosecutors are frustrated because Anthony has refused to accept a plea.

If Anthony is convicted, a Florida jury is not likely to recommend she be executed, Jarvis said.

Of the 392 prisoners on the state's death row, only one is a woman. That woman, Tiffany Cole, was convicted last year of taking part in the murder of a Jacksonville couple who were buried alive, according to Florida Department of Corrections.

"Juries find it very difficult to send young women to death row," Jarvis said.

If they found Anthony guilty of first-degree murder, jurors then would have to consider whether there are "aggravating circumstances" that justify execution. Those factors could include whether the homicide was committed in a cold, calculated and premeditated manner.

They would have to weigh those reasons against any "mitigating circumstances" — also outlined in state law — such as whether the defendant acted under extreme duress.

Jurors recommend the penalty to a judge, who has final say.

Because of Monday's announcement, Anthony's defense team must have a lawyer who is certified to handle death-penalty cases. Lead attorney Baez, who was admitted to The Florida Bar in 2005, is not certified.


Mackenzie, his spokeswoman, said that is not a problem:

"We already have death-qualified defense lawyers on our team and are prepared for a vigorous defense."

Terence Lenamon, a Miami attorney who was once part of Anthony's team, gave prosecutors a report in November outlining why the mother should not receive the death penalty.

His report cited Anthony's erratic behavior after her daughter's birth, suggesting signs of emotional or mental distress. It also mentioned

that she lacked a criminal history.

"I'm greatly disappointed that the State Attorney's Office has decided to take this route," he said Monday after hearing the news.

He said this may be a sign that prosecutors are worried about a conviction. They may want "death-qualified jurors" — jurors who are willing to sentence someone to death. Those jurors also are more likely to convict defendants, Lenamon said.

"It changes the dynamics of everything," he said.

Amy L. Edwards can be reached at aledwards@orlandosentinel.com or 407-420-5735. Sarah Lundy can be reached at slundy@orlandosentinel.com or 407-420-6218.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-casey-anthony-14041409apr14,0,1582095.story

http://grayson.house.gov/appropriations-information.shtml (http://grayson.house.gov/appropriations-information.shtml)

"I look forward to working with you to ensure that Florida’s priorities are well represented and adequately funded in the fiscal year 2010 appropriations bills, and I appreciate your efforts in the appropriations process. As I work to encourage the House Appropriations Committee to support central Florida’s federal funding requests, I rely heavily on the information that you provide to me.

# Child is Missing Program (ACIM) to establish a Caylee Anthony Missing Child Program in Orlando, 500 S.E. 17th St., Ft. Lauderdale, 33316. $500,000. This funding will bolster child and elderly safety programs by assisting law enforcement agencies in the first few hours a child or an elderly adult is reported missing via a telephony technology and satellite mapping system. This funding will also provide additional law enforcement training regarding missing children/elderly cases, and promote community education and awareness meetings involving child safety issues in the State of Florida.

Good morning monkeys!

Very Pretty Tiara. I wish I could have seen thru the curtains. No need to hear the conversation. Hammers, vases, baseball bats flying everywhere.

Is Lee still living at home.

That's good to hear she is fine.

Dude, she looks like the devil!  ::MonkeyEek::

Morning Capp!

Yes, JSM, I think Lee is at home with his mom and dad.

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Georgie Porgie, Bread Puddin' – weird eyes,
Was subpoenaed and told many lies,
When Morgan threatened contempt
Georgie Porgie became unkempt.

HUGS! I'm glad she's fine  ::cartwheel::

A new Aerosmith song?

ahh ahh dude looks like the devil

Yep, she's evil.

Good morning, everyone.  I saw your call out for the new cage a little too late while researching something else.  'Wonder Klaas', of course, to the rescue. 

I know I don't spend much time in here, but am usually around. 

Have a great day.   ::MonkeyCool::

Pure evil...interesting when her eyes bugged out there they were talking about evidence found in her car trunk, IIRC

Thank You truthbaby. I was trying to find it for Turbo this morning.

Hiya Monkey friends!!  ::MonkeyDance::
I couldnt get here from there..  ::MonkeyWaa::
I almost paid CC
Trimm, I met Phil Keating last fall at an election rally .. he is even cuter in person.. and he took a pic w/me too....  aahh.....
3babies is on her way to orlando. it's gonna pour there today
I was on I-95 in my sombrero but she passed me by  ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks, do you think he was at home last night? I would have slept in the car.

He has learned to cope by whispering CMA and kissing his wrist.

 ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyDance:: Well now that I realize it, I will change my statement. Jammsnana you are very beautiful! Especially now that I see that sparkling tiara!

State To Seek Death Penalty For Casey Anthony
Baez Not Qualified To Defend In Death Penalty Case
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[With the state attorney's office seeking the death penalty, attorney Jose Baez (R) is no longer qualified to defend Casey Anthony (L) against charges that she murdered her daughter. CASEY ANTHONY: Survey: Death Penalty? | Section]
With the state attorney's office seeking the death penalty, attorney Jose Baez (R) is no longer qualified to defend Casey Anthony (L) against charges that she murdered her daughter.
CASEY ANTHONY: Survey: Death Penalty? | Section
ORLANDO, Fla. -- In a change of heart, lead prosecutor, Linda Drane Burdick, of the state attorney's office, filed a letter of intent Monday to seek the death penalty for Casey Anthony.

Jose Baez, Casey Anthony's attorney, has confirmed that the defense has been notified. Baez is not qualified to defend a client in a death penalty case because he does not have the required amount of experience by the Florida Bar.

"This is not a death penalty case. We will do whatever is necessary to defend Casey Anthony from the state trying to take her life.
"They have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt and you prove the body was put there after Casey was in jail. That's a huge reasonable doubt."
- Richard Hornsby,
Criminal defense attorney
We already have death-qualified defense lawyers on our team and are prepared for a vigorous defense ... We plan on making this a whole tougher for the state now," Baez said in response to Monday's development from the state.
The court has also been notified of the state's intention.

Previously, the state said it would not seek the death penalty for Anthony, who is in the Orange County Jail charged with first-degree murder in connection with the death of her daughter, Caylee.

The state attorney's office is citing "sufficient aggravating circumstances" as the reason for Monday's decision.

http://www.wesh.com/news/19168682/detail.html

Sorry , I do not know how to quote from one cage to another.  The above statement by BoBo truly makes me believe he is on a Twizzler high.  How is he gonna make it harder for the state?  Is he going to make more snide comments, hide the states stapler, or just be a bigger loser than he already is?

I'm sure Lee is use to his mommy and daddy having tirades, Lee probably joined in on the fun breaking and throwing things, and trashing everybody involved for doing this to their princess.  ::MonkeyRoll::

Hi 2NJ!! ::MonkeyDance::

Have we figured out what Lenny was saying on NG yet? He was suggesting something along the lines that the jail bugged Jose and Casey, and Kronk's girlfriend working at the jail, I guess the daisy chain thing. I will say one thing that has me bothered and I can't shake the feeling, but Kronk(who I just don't trust) and this Williams guy(can't say I have great feelings on him either) and the discovery of Caylee, something isn't adding up to me, maybe LP is correct with this daisy chain  ::MonkeyConfused::

you monks are all in rare form today.. very funny  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Nothing for nothing, I had a passing thought last night.    We know that they could not determine a cause of death by initial autopsy due to time lapsed in discovery.  We are all wondering if Caylee was drugged or assaulted with a toxic substance, suspected to be chloroform.   We know some hair was present upon discovery so that might be one way to test but again the time from death to discovery is rather significant which makes it remote.  OK, Im gonna take a leap knowing it is very sensitive but what IF something can be tested & found in a diaper or panties that were present with the remains - maybe its possible they could find traces of substance that way, hmmm?

The reason I was possibly over thinking was because I disagree with all this talk of the State trying to force Casey to take a plea, that includes Lenny's comments last night on NG.  It seems too obvious to me that the State is very aware that Casey and/or her "team" will not entertain one.  I am more inclined to think that they have more than we think they have in the way of evidence.   Casey is too narcissistic and cocky to think she is going to get convicted for this, I mean come on she's walked thru life lie after lie & dirty deed without serious consequence so she is in the same mind frame, especially with a putz at the helm of her defense encouraging her & a family willing to lie & God knows for her.   Her handwritten addition to her recent sworn affidavit seems to confirm that when she took that angry shot at State Prosecutor Ashton.

I am surprised that LP has not jumped all over the fact that Kronk's cell had several pictures of a small white dog and Cindy was talking about Zanny's small white dog.

I didnt personally hear him say anything about the jail being bugged last night, but I disagree with his comment regarding why the State may have put the DP back on the table.

I am so angry that so many people are still trying to make money off of Caylee!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Why is ACIM wanting to start this program and get more money when she was never missing! I found their website here>http://www.achildismissing.org/about.asp (http://www.achildismissing.org/about.asp)

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 Tuesday - Casey Anthony- update Blog-
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WRITE OPRAH AND GET THE ANTHONY'S UN BOOKED


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WRITE OPRAH AND GET THE ANTHONY'S UN BOOKED.

Oprah's show should not be used for the purpose of Cindy to spew her lies and spin her reality of poor victim ME.  Everyone needs to demand that Oprah not have Cindy on as a guest. Cindy made an arss out of herself with her control freak belligerent deposition and now wants to rehab her aweful reputation on Oprah along with selling her Caylee Foundation so cindy can pay her mortgage. Click the link below and send Oprah a meaage and repost this and ask all of your friends via myspace, facebook and emails.

https://www.oprah.com/plugform.jsp?plugId=220


Jose is trying to NOW pin this all on Keith Williams??  Who you ask?  Let us start over from the begining. (Anyone following this case knows I have written about him a few times.  (Freak alert) - I trust him as much as I trust KC.


Keith Williams: Currently working in the security and former massage therapist. He grew up down the street from Casey and owned the home at 8735 Grandee Drive up until five years ago where he moved out of town to do ??( I think he was arrested and got himself into a real mess)  and then moved back to Orlando two years ago. Keith felt a strong connection to find Caylee based on his younger sister’s Allison's friendship with Casey, he was positive she was in the woods by Hidden Oaks elementary school. (Clue- Caylee was not near the school- and this dude is like 27, he felt a connection?  freak alert)

He first went to the woods in late July or early August to the best of his recollection, possibly early August (dude changes this date every 5 seconds) after a conversation with his younger sister Alison. He did not venture into the woods at that point;  he did run into a reporter which he spoke to, but declined to appear on camera, but shared he was a childhood friend of Casey’s and familiar with the area in the woods as most neighborhood kids were. He stated it was a place they would sneak off to or in some cases bury their pets. (Clue- this guy said this statement and then later says he knew nothing of pets being buried and technically never met KC).

Keith Williams, named in the August 18, 2008 Police Report as the "finder" of a Father’s Day balloon, bag full of stuffed animals and small girl’s clothing, including, a sandal.

Keith Williams went to the Anthony home with the bag of stuffed animals and clothing on August 18, Cindy was polite but curt about the find and his information that there was more out there. Cindy stated that they had three private investigators working on it and were confident that Caylee was alive, and that none of the items in the bag belonged to Caylee. Williams felt he did the right thing by bringing the bag to the Anthony’s and was not satisfied with what appeared to be, in his perception of “denial on their part”. He told Cindy he would just get rid of it. He returned to the woods location and called Police.

Williams went back to the scene to call Police and report the find. The responding officer was none other than the same cop that was just fired for his incompetence with the Roy "meter reader" Kronk, Officer Richard Cain. Williams now states he was within twenty yards of the vicinity where Caylee Anthony’s remains were recovered.

There was no formal police report issued at the scene regarding Keith Williams find on August 18, 2008. Richard Cain, the responding deputy, sent an email to the criminal Investigations Division.  Internal Affairs did interview Williams.

At the scene with Officer Cain, Keith stated that he had been told by a psychic what items would be found there, and that they subsequently were. He specifically pointed out the Father’s Day balloon and other items. Officer Cain felt the items had been there for a very long time and probably unrelated to the case due to roots growing through the bag and the condition of the plastic. He left the items at the scene.  Remember Caylee was there June 16 and that date was August 18 = 60 days.

Williams worked the nighshift until 6am, which is when he talked to the psychic, the Mom of a woman he knew (girl friend) from his security detail, Elle Carrington, who is 71 years old from Texas, she told him where to go and what he would find. Williams felt like he was connected to Caylee so he went to find Cayelee directly from work that morning.

Keith Williams did not tell Cain that he had taken the items to Cindy at any time during that incident, but he did tell someone.

The second time he was there, he parked no more than 15 yards from where Caylee was found, but he looked only on the left side. This guy is a walking contradiction and changes his story when ever it is pointed out that he is inconsistant. Then of course the date changes again to a third visit in October around the 21. This time he brought a shovel because the psychic told him the grave was shallow.  Then he changes it to the psychic told him that some of Caylee some of her things would be in a bag, but her bones would be in the dirt. She also told him what happened to Caylee and who did it.

When asked if Williams ever met Cindy after the August 28th date- of course he says he did:  "I went over there to tell her that I was thinking of them, and that my sister was close with Casey when they were young. She knew who I was right away.  When I was a kid there was a skate ramp back there. I did not know anything about them burying pets.  When I got there she knew exactly who I was and how my little sister was like best friends with Casey and was like sticking up for her and stuff, so I just really said hello and left. It was weird because the psychic told me that the “mom” (Cindy) knew what happened, that Casey confessed to her and she told her to “shut the f*** up.” So I just felt weird around her.

On December 11, 2008, the afternoon Caylee’s remains were recovered, was a surreal experience for Williams. He was on the phone with an administrator at Valencia College getting directions, when the woman he was speaking with had to interrupt the call and place Williams on hold to take a call from George Anthony. Keith thought that was an especially odd occurrance as he could see the TV coverage on the recovery process unfolding as they spoke. What were the chances? wft???

Approximately 2 weeks ago, Williams ran into George Anthony at the Chickasaw Amscot. Keith inadvertantly locked his keyes in his car, and when George exited the building, offered to give Keith a ride home. During the drive, Keith took the opportunty to tell George what he was told by the psychic, and Keith’s own experiences looking for Caylee.  He said they both shed a tear, prayed, and Williams consoled George as he expressed deep guilt over Caylee’s death. “He blames himself” Williams said.


After  Blink of  http://blinkoncrime.com posted a interview with Keith Williams, Geraldo Show called Williams,  as well as George. AND Jose just asked the judge for his cell phone records.

This guy will be the NEW Jesse. As in he was a stalker, jealous, killed Caylee for fame, attention, to win KC, who knows but this freak is now going to be Jose new cash cow.  My take on it is he is a freak toad. He has not had one consistant interview. Williams is all over the place on facts and dates and when he says not to the "right" he means I went into the woods but did not look right but then it was I looked right just not "----bla bla".

On another note- no doubt- Cindy people had a hand in this madness. Once again the Globe says it knows who Caylee bio daddy is and once again they are wrong. Am I the only one who does the math?  Conception late Nov 2004, born Aug 2005.


Globe IDs Caylee's Daddy as Josh O. (deceased)

http://www.globemagazine.com

Globe’s claims: They attended the same high school – different years! Hung on the same beaches:  5 million other people hung out at Coco Beach. Fact is this particular Josh was a friend of Lee Anthony’s girlfriend – Mallory- and most likely, KC heard of him and his death via Mallory myspace. Facts are during Caylee’s conception of late November 2004- this Josh was in severe pain and laid up in hospital and most likely was not even in town.

Globe’s other claims are KC is into Irish heritage (which she does not have). IE- Cindy side has a little Irish and George’s side is Italian. KC had a thing for Shamrocks’ and this guy is Irish—omg—guess that makes him the bio dad.

Globe’s claims: She had an "RIP Josh" memorial on her Facebook. KC also had RIP for all the other people who died in a five year period.

Globe’s claims: She once said the father was a one-nighter named "Josh." – KC depending on who you talked to named 4 other guys.

Josh was a good-looking surfer who is dead of suicide BECAUSE of an auto crash. He hurt his back, after being rear-ended on a hwy by a hit and run driver. He could no longer surf, and surgery did not help. So, just before Caylee's first birthday, he went out on a surfboard and shot himself in the head.

Neither Josh nor his family ever knew KC.  But, now a family member of Josh's is offering to take a DNA test. The family released a statement stating this article is false and they did not know KC and their Josh was to ill to have bedded anyone in late 2004.

Josh was injured 2 years before CAYLEE WAS BORN. Hit and run driver and lived in "severe pain" and ended his life. He had surgery around the time of conception.

So far, Caylee has, FOUR deceased fathers? Two "Js" and Two "Bs."  AND an Eric, which makes 5 dead baby daddies’s that KC has told various people.  My bet is still Jonathon, as in Daly the tattoo artist and brother of the loveable party animal.  I bet all my Tequilla- KC has no idea who the baby daddy was because it was a drunken hook up and did not notice she was pregnant until months later then she pathologically convinced herself it was Jesse.  Cindy went along with it as Cindy fell in love with Caylee and needed to have all of the control over KC and Caylee- no room for a baby dady in control freak Cindy's life.
 

NRCG ITA.. there is just something more to it

Yes, that is maybe what LP will say next.

Oh yeah  ::MonkeyEek::

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We know what this is about. Caylee. Someone should remind her selfish grandparents.


Capp -- I agree. I don't see it as weakness. The state has much more. And IMO what we've seen so far is enough to convict the slore.

My take and I'm sure I could be very wrong, jail was bugged, girlfriend took what she heard to boyfriend Kronk. LP has been on this daisy chain for awhile, and I don't think he is wrong on that.

Thanks Flamom.

IMO Keith Williams is the perfect fallguy. He should have stayed out of it.

You can find evidence in the diaper as soon after death the bowels would release.  The only concern would be that being out in the elements for so long the actual substances would loose the evidence as it composted (for lack of a better term). Disposable diapers do not break down so if some of got stuck between the plastic than there is a chance.

I still hold on to the hope that the maggot pupae have shown evidence of being chloroform or being drugged with other substances.  You are what you eat when it comes to maggots.  That as well as clumps of hair being on the duct tape we can only hope that the duct tape was securely wrapped around a few strands as that would perserve them sufficiently.


Wonder if Casey still "completely trusts her own judgement and still knows that she made the right decision" like was written in the dearest diary now that the DP is back on?
 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hey AnotherMonkey.

Capp, its all about the evidence. DNA. DNA in the maggots..I also do not think it is so farfetched for them to have retrieved some marrow for testing.. after all, they have retrieved DNA from Abe Lincoln's bloody pillowcase.. They have DNA evidence we don't even know about..

Yep,that was it.

Yes, thank-you. Not only the perfect fallguy, but I don't trust this character, no way, no how. This is going to be one he!! of a bumpy ride.

nrcl....I didn't watch NG last night. Does anyone have a transcript of exactly what he said? I have never trusted Kronk.................something hinky about him and I have said it all along.....I am not sure about this Williams guy....again, hinky.......LP often says things that are pure bullcrap IMO......it is not time for him to start mucking up things with statements just for shock factor.

 ::MonkeyDance::

In order to prove that Caylee knew of a white dog that "Zanny" had, first it would have to be established that Kronk knew either Casey or the Anthonys BEFORE Caylee's murder, wouldnt you think.   Cindy's claim is that Caylee spoke of "Zanny's white dog" well how would she know that if Caylee never spoke about "Zanny" according to George's previous sworn statements?   There is no picture, phone number, address, ping from Casey's phone to Kronk's number or vice versus BEFORE Caylee was known to have been murdered.  Just saying they can finger point all the day long but something has to substantiate it besides a randow picture of a white dog with no person in the pic, tens of thousands in the US have a white dog would they all be suspects too according to the Anthony camp?

The two of us all along have never trusted Kronk, LP, well could be shock factor, that's for sure, I just don't know with LP sometimes.

Me too.

A few problems with that, there is no contact known of him with Casey prior to Caylee's death, nor does he or a few of these individuals have ready access to Caylee's room/Anthonys house where some of the items found at the scene were recovered.  Nor access to Casey's trunk which even her parents had to return home to get a spare key for because the car & its trunk were locked, no tampering evident.

about the shamrocks (Globe article mentioned RE: baby's daddy) ... good lord Casey's b-day is right after St. Patty's Day is it not? I don't think there is any big hidden meaning there ... but that's just MOO.

Capp I agree....I believe the State now has positive proof...probably forensics and possibly from people/persons who have been granted immunity. I really don't think the State wants her to take a plea.........this case is too damn BIG and with the circumstances of no one except the state and outsiders...meaning no family members to speak out for Caylee...I think the State (prosecutors) feel they have the obligation both legally and morally (and emotionally) to be Caylee's family......the family that she doesn't have that most victims have. And seek Justice and Punishment.

I agree but I do think the finger will be pointed at him as well as others and reasonable doubt will be summoned by Baez. Not saying it will work. Just saying he has to give the jury something and Williams might just be it.

I agree, there is something, has to be

  ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyLaugh::

You are probably right No Rose. Wonder who cleaned up the mess?

NancyGrace thinks so too.

GRACE: Well, let me ask you this. I guess you`re prepared to be a scapegoat at the trial. You`re the perfect candidate for the defense to point the finger at for murder.

K. WILLIAMS: I don`t really want to hear that. I mean.

GRACE: Well, I`m telling you right now.

K. WILLIAMS: I mean, my girlfriend didn`t want me to be involved. You know, I was just doing something -- you know, it just felt right. You know at the same time I end up meeting a lady who said her mom was a psychic and led me back out there.

And you know, I just did what I thought was right. And that`s why I`m here talking to you right now.

I hope 3Babies doesn't go stand in front of the Ant's with duct tape and a heart sticker today. I just know Spindy is locked and loaded and armed with a baseball bat. I hope 3babies can run fast! ::MonkeyWaa::

GRACE: Straight out to Leonard Padilla, bounty hunter, who is set to be under oath in this case. Leonard Padilla, why the about-face now, the state announcing it will seek the death penalty.

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: You`re not going to agree with me, but I`m telling you there`s something there...

GRACE: Just please don`t blame it on Cindy Anthony!

PADILLA: No. No.

GRACE: Can you come up with anything...

PADILLA: No!

GRACE: ... other than that?

PADILLA: I wasn`t even going to mention her name until you brought it up!

GRACE: All right. Go ahead. Go ahead.

PADILLA: Let`s figure it out this way. What if there`s a situation that the state would like to have a plea? It was mentioned by one of the attorneys there. Let`s get her to plea out to this thing before something that is bugging everybody gets found out. The smart thing for the state to do is put the death penalty back on the table and hope that she pleads out.

Again, I disagree with this particular conjecture.

The mysterious White dog of Zanny has the keys that KC gave to Zanny on its collar.  Not only did KC give the keys to the house to Zanny, she also passed along a master key to all known locks in the world.  The Dog was a trained circus dog in a previous life and is the psychic that Keith speaks of and currently resides in Puerto Rico.  There you go Cindy, here is how you can connect it.

O yea no doubt but all Im saying is it wont fly because it can be challenged &  alot of this finger pointing is going to make it even more obvious that she is guilty

GRACE: Straight out to Leonard Padilla, bounty hunter, who is set to be under oath in this case. Leonard Padilla, why the about-face now, the state announcing it will seek the death penalty.

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: You`re not going to agree with me, but I`m telling you there`s something there...

GRACE: Just please don`t blame it on Cindy Anthony!

PADILLA: No. No.

GRACE: Can you come up with anything...

PADILLA: No!

GRACE: ... other than that?

PADILLA: I wasn`t even going to mention her name until you brought it up!

GRACE: All right. Go ahead. Go ahead.

PADILLA: Let`s figure it out this way. What if there`s a situation that the state would like to have a plea? It was mentioned by one of the attorneys there. Let`s get her to plea out to this thing before something that is bugging everybody gets found out. The smart thing for the state to do is put the death penalty back on the table and hope that she pleads out.

The doggy did it  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: I know it's gettin ridiculous. But it has to b/c Baez has NOTHING.

I agree, he handed himself over on a silver platter to them.

I really hope Shirley is asked to write a impact statement.

Nancy Grace Transcripts

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/13/ng.01.html

Hmm, so what is "bugging everybody"?

I have no inkling. Wish Nancy would LISTEN and follow up just once in a while.  ::MonkeyRoll::

Let's unleash the monkeys.  ::MonkeyTongue::

I agree GNM

I agree Capp. The evidence is the evidence! Just cause this guy interjected himself, doesn't suddenly change the evidence and he becomes guilty in some way. The defense can try alot of things to point the finger elsewhere, but, the evidence isn't going to change everyday like the defense does. Nothing explains KC not telling a soul her daughter was missing, or why she drove around with a car that happened to smell like a dead body was in it. How do those facts tie into Kronk or Williams? If KC knew them prior and they were responsible, why wouldn't KC have just said so? Why would she let her self sit in prison accused of murdering her daughter if she knew who did it?

Morning everyone!!!!  George you better get that new boat offa the road, cause the wheels of justice are rolling down your street!!!

I hope she checks in with us today.  ::MonkeyEek::

hahahahaa  ::MonkeyHaHa::

As far as Kronk and Williams, it proves  ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

WTH
 ::MonkeyShocked::

Edit
......no good deed goes unpunished.

Here's what Baez would have to do and it would be a "miracle"

Link a "zanny" with Kronk or Williams either directly or indirectly

The chain goes like this Caylee is with Zanny; Zanny gives Caylee to Kronk or Williams or someone who knew them. Caylee is killed by Kronk or Williams. 

I am NOT saying it makes sense or is what I believe. No no no.

What else is Baez going to say? He has two perfectly "hinky" dudes out poking around at the remains discovery scene since AUGUST. You can bet he will try ...

My thoughts exactly why she won't take a plea.

BBL - dentist. Ick!  ::MonkeyWaa::

Yup, and as many of us have discussed several times, the forensics is going to disprove the  "Pin the tail on the donkey, any ass will do" defense because of the plant & bug life dating back as close to late June not August, not September, not flipping October, certainly not November or early December.

thanks trim.....that is an odd statement...but personally I think it mean nothing...just another LPism

I can't answer about them wanting to make money off of Caylee, but what I find interesting they want to establish a Caylee Anthony missing child program. I thought Cindy and George had a trademark on her name. So I guess they are involved in this some how to make some dough?

Is this him? The mysterious circus dog, maybe the keys are under his hat? I don't know, he's not white though.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/ur04cowgurl/image022.jpg)

Baez: Forces Out To Get Casey Anthony
State To Seek Death Penalty In Case
POSTED: Tuesday, April 14, 2009
UPDATED: 8:48 am EDT April 14, 2009
<snipped>
Casey Anthony's lead attorney called the state's decision to seek the death penalty against his client a "sad day for justice" and said she's "aware of the forces that are out to get her."

Jose Baez spoke with Local 6 News late Monday night after spending about 30 minutes with Anthony inside the Orange County Jail. The visit took place after the state announced that it would be seeking the death penalty against Anthony, who is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19174406/detail.html

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/19174398/index.html

Casey Ho is going down! wonder if she hyperventilated when she heard that the death penalty was back on? probably just asked for drugs...

Toot toot with a woot woot.     

Big wheels keep on turning
Proud lady justice keeps on rolling
and we're rolling ROLLIN, rolling up a river

I agree with that too.  Mine is on Halloween, but I do not walk around wearing a witch hat, although I am sure many think I should!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

has there been a date set for Georgy to go back to Morgans office, so he can have a melt down?

ROFL

(http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo89/CasuallyCool/pinthetale-1.jpg)

Not to mention that I am sure the HOA is not too happy with the eye sore.

Good morning Miss Kitty!  You are as lovely as always.

LP's statement on Nancy Grace is really making me wonder about the two OTHER OCSO deputies that admitted to having sex with Casey. Gawd, how I hope that Richard Cain was not one of them. ::MonkeyNoNo::

CC   FabUlous & hilarious!

Do you think therre will ever be charges brought against ANY of the A's? I go back and forth.....sometimes yes and sometimes no. I do believe that each of them have covered up for casey and have hindered the investigation and we all know they have LIED over and over. However, there are still many out there including NG who has a great deal of sympathy for them (don't ask me why)....and I wonder if they did bring charges would they get convicted? Would there be enough people who could really punish them for 'standing by' their child?  I could!!  But I wonder about others.

BUT how is he going to prove that Kronk and/or Williams put Caylee's body in Casey's trunk?  And just how did they fit into her size 7 shoes?

It is just so amazing that Local 6 got the exclusive interview with Baez last night in regards to this..............oh brother!!

Pain meds are your friend.   ::MonkeyCool::

OHMYGAWD!  The forces are out to get her....what does he think this is an episode of Star Wars!  What a frigging childish, inane statement

 ::MonkeyRoll:: 

And I still want to know who is paying for all the lawyers.

When we hear about a flaming bag of dog poop at the House of Dysfunction Junction on Hopespring Drive, we'll know that 3babies made it. She promised me!

No shock there Dolce, no shock at all.     "forces out to get her"   OMG, maybe he should be evaluated for paranoia...geez    O yea Baez this beeotch doesnt report Caylee missing & the evidence was in Casey's trunk well before Caylee was finally discovered but yea the world is after your poor pathetic client.....putz puhleaaaaaaaaaaze!

I haven't heard anything.  ::MonkeyCool::

I am personally waiting and anticipating the Ant's having charges. All of them. They have gone way beyond "standing by their child" and sister. Ugh! I can dream, can't I? I'm sure the SA was watching all their depos and know how much they have perjured themselves, much less the actual tampering with evidence.JMO

I like you go back and forth on this.  I have to remember though that while I would stand by my child, I would no do so if they took another life.  I would still love my child, but not the crime.
They are not standing by Casey though in this, they have inserted themselves into it and lied, covered, scemed, and purgered themselves and in doing so wasted valuable money and time.  They deserve punishment.

Doxie poop at that!
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Casey Anthony: What does state's move to death penalty mean?
posted by halboedeker on Apr 14, 2009 10:13:14 AM
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Television pulled out the legal analysts to explain why prosecutors changed their minds to seek the death penalty against Casey Anthony. She is charged with murdering her daughter, Caylee.

"The state attorney's office must feel that they have a rock-solid circumstantial evidence case," WFTV-Channel 9 legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said.

On WESH-Channel 2, attorney Mark NeJame said he expected the state's move and predicted it could bolster a plea deal for Anthony.

"It's often happened where the death penalty has been on the table, that the state agrees to withdraw the death penalty in exchange for a life sentence," said NeJame, a former attorney for George and Cindy Anthony.

Things would have been different months ago and the state's action signals a change. "I believe that the state believes it has been empowered with a stronger case and are probably far less likely to offer any type of deal that they might have considered in the past," NeJame added.

WKMG-Channel 6 talked to criminal defense attorney Cheney Mason, who questioned the state's move. "This is a far reach. They better have something real strong in their bag of tricks," Mason said.

Mason said the state doesn't have the cause of death, when it happened or how it happened.

He said the case was in the top of the first inning and predicted that it would be remarkable if the trial started in a year and a half or two years.

WKMG's Adam Longo talked to Jose Baez, Anthony's attorney. Baez said the cost to taxpayers would triple and dismissed as off base the speculation that he will be in the background because he isn't qualified to lead a death-penalty case.

Longo reported that three other death-qualified attorneys have been helping the Anthony case. "None of us know their names," Longo said. "We will likely be hearing more about them in the coming weeks."

On NBC's "Today," former federal prosecutor Kendall Coffey described the state's decision as "a stunning development coming this late in the case." He said the state has "excruciating pressure" on Anthony to make a plea deal.


Filed under: Caylee and Casey Anthony, Caylee ID, NBC, Today, WESH, WFTV, WKMG

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/04/casey-anthony-case-what-did-move-to-death-penalty-mean.html#more

Thanks Trimm!

So reading this article has again raised the same questions:

There are currently eight known attorneys on the Anthony defense team, and three are death-penalty qualified, Local 6 News reported. Also, three other attorneys working behind the scenes for the defense are also death-penalty qualified, sources told Local 6 News.  Who is and how are they all being paid?

"It changes absolutely nothing. For people to be out there saying I'm going to be off the case or I'm going to be in the background, they really don't know what they're talking about," Baez said. - Where did Bobo REALLY get his law degree when he is still spewing bullsnit like this?  Everyone else has no clue what the law is except BoBo.

She's aware of the forces that are out to get her," said Baez, - right now there are Forces out to get her?  Maybe he can go after area 51 records to show his client is innocent.

"If they think that this is going to make her plea, they're sadly mistaken. They've been trying to intimidate Casey Anthony from day 1 and it didn't work then, and it's not going to work now." - She will never plea, but I do not think the SA put DP on for a plea.  Regardless, the DP is on the table and she had better get her BBQ scented sauce ordered for her next commissionaire order.


Anthony claims she was offered a plea deal earlier in the case, which she rejected because she said she is not guilty. - when will we hear the truth according to BoBo that will shock us all and make us understand?  Looks like he is scrambling to put together a defense by just now going after cell and ping records.

Giddy up!

Sunny I meant to add that in this case, something it seems that those who have sympathy for the Anthony's fail to realize is that to stand by Casey is to throw out Caylee.  I can not and will not agree with that. 

I know, I don't think there is any either, unless the whole family has a thing for shamrocks and there is some deep dark secret, but I just think Casey likes shamrocks. I like unicorns, but I'm not part unicorn, and don't know any personally  ::MonkeyRoll::

ITA Dolce.... this is exactly how I feel too. Particularly disgusting is that they have turned their back on Caylee in doing so, I could never live with myself. I wonder if someday they will wake up and realize all they have done to belittle Caylee's existance.
O/T your baby bump is so adorable...just know that when you are feeling fat and ugly the rest of the world thinks you are most beautiful...go figure but it's true ::MonkeyHaHa::

I've been thinking about that one, I sure hope not.

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/19174398/index.html

There is that J Cheney Mason, Esq. again making comments - this might be one of Bozo's "secret DP qualified attorneys"
Googled him:
http://www.jcheneymason.com/

J. Cheney Mason J. Cheney Mason, Orlando, Fla.

Secrets: • Keep expenses to a minimum • Don’t waste money on image • Do good work

J. Cheney Mason of Orlando, Fla., helps clients across the country with issues related to family law, entertainment law and civil litigation. But Mason’s first love is his criminal defense work. “It’s been a special thing to defend the rights of the accused and fight the government for 36 years,” he says.

Criminal defense is probably also the work that generates the most attention for Mason. He recently defended Nelson Serrano, a man convicted of four counts of murder whose months-long trial was featured on Court TV and Dateline NBC in 2006. Mason’s still smarting about Serrano’s conviction. “We expect a full reversal [on appeal] with a full acquittal,” Mason says. “I haven’t said that but one other time, and I was right then.”

A self-described “old country lawyer,” Mason’s business model is simple: “I keep my overhead to a minimum, and I don’t have a lot of flash,” he says.

His firm is lean—he has no employees—but he has the best office space and technology available because from the day he hung out a shingle, he shared expenses with other attorneys.

“I got a long-term lease in an office building and then brought in lawyers I respected for their integrity,” explains Mason. “I provided the receptionist, library and copiers, and rented office space and access to these facilities to the other lawyers. And we exchanged ideas and referrals. We’ve done it ever since. For a fraction of the cost, we have the amenities of big firms but don’t have the overhead.”

In the beginning, that approach also made it easier for him to learn how to work his varied caseload. “I had no problem calling someone and saying, ‘I’ve got this case. Can you help?’ I’d refer the case and stay on as co-counsel and learn,” he recalls.

KNOW WHAT’S NECESSARY

Today, Mason and his attorney tenants work in class A space on the 21st floor of an Orlando office building. And though they have completely independent practices, they all have trusted colleagues whose brains they can pick and to whom they can refer cases.

Mason scoffs at attorneys whom he believes waste money on their image. “I’ve been a mentor for many young lawyers for several decades,” he says. “Some are too concerned about their image early on, going out and leasing an expensive car so they can appear successful.”     Well, there is a conflict there if that isnt pure BS coming from him

He also thinks some lawyers spend more than necessary on what they think they need to practice law—but don’t. For example, he says, “they have unnecessary paralegals, and when they have something simple to handle in court, they take too many people with them.”

Ditto research assistance, Mason adds. When he needs something done but doesn’t have the time, he turns to a private research company. “I can employ these people at a substantially lower rate with a turnaround of one to two days,” he says. “Lawyers on the other side use two to three lawyers and bill their clients huge amounts of money to respond to what I got done in a few hours with a few phone calls.”

While the issue is more time-saving than cost-saving, he believes outsourcing research projects allows him to complete matters twice as fast.

That’s important because, while Mason may be pulling in a million dollars plus every year, he’s doing it all within a 40-hour workweek. He has logged the 60- to 70-hour workweeks in the past, but these days Mason is trying to spend more quality time with his wife, two children and seven grandchildren.

Yet quality remains paramount for a true solo like Mason. There will always be that client who has un­realistic expectations or who makes demands that are unfair, unethical or even illegal, he says. (“Don’t be afraid to fire them,” he instructs.) But generally, “you have to return phone calls and do the work when you’re supposed to. You can’t satisfy every client, win every case or make every client happy, but you can damn sure try.” In the end, he says, “there’s really no substitute for paying attention and doing the work.”
http://abajournal.com/magazine/the_secrets_of_million_dollar_solos/

That's what I was just thinking, George and Baez are both paranoid, there is some medicine out there guys that help with this  ::MonkeyRoll::

For the Ants, a lie is as good as the truth. Black is white, and the drinker you get, the player you feel (that could be the wrong phrasing, it's from when Joe Walsh was with the Eagles). So, here's their "white dog":
(http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/qq339/jinnimaeKC/whitedog.jpg)

 ::MonkeyDance::

Criminal defense is probably also the work that generates the most attention for Mason. He recently defended Nelson Serrano, a man convicted of four counts of murder whose months-long trial was featured on Court TV and Dateline NBC in 2006. Mason’s still smarting about Serrano’s conviction. “We expect a full reversal [on appeal] with a full acquittal,” Mason says. “I haven’t said that but one other time, and I was right then.”     I watched that entire trial Mr Mason, isn't going to happen, a full reversal and full acquittal  ::MonkeyRoll::

I e-mailed Grayson & Opray last nite, it won't mean much because I am a canadian
I did mention to Grayson about kidfinders being a scam & that they had never looked
for a missing child & so how could they possibly have found one. That they just have
booths that they collect money at and sell things, I wonder if they report earnings
why don't they check. I think a good person to e-mail them would be Kathi Belich
don't you. She has had face to face with the Milsteads. Did Obama not put a limit
on earmarks when he was elected, I thought so.

Someone should ask Opray if she could eat a big meal with 8-10 people the day that
they find their grandchilds remains. Most people could not be a part of that. To me
it was disgusting. It was like they were patting KC on the back.

Tevye...... The Smoker You Drink, the Player You Get

I got you covered.Rock on.  ::MonkeyCool::

I agree Leslee, to side with Casey is to turn your back on Caylee.  They are "done" with Caylee, got that over along with her fake memorial so the world would stop questioning them about Caylee, its all about Cindy and her need to stay in control of her family, right now she has no control over Casey or what happens to her, so she is going to try and regain it by lying so things could go her way.

I agree and that amazes me that people can not see that!

I agree NoRose...no worries he'll still be smarting about Casey Anthony's conviction too.     God I hate bloviating bunk!

I meant to add "thank you" for the compliment as well Leslee!

Awesome, dude! Thanks! ::MonkeyCool::

I wish charges would be filed against them but I doubt it will happen. JMO JSM

Anger is one part of grieving. If the Ant's ::MonkeyWaa:: are grieving, they have been stuck on anger since we first heard of Caylee being gone for 31 days on July 16. These are angry people.....not grieving people....and they have probably been like this for a long, long time. It has made me an angry person also, that they could turn their backs on this precious little Caylee.

Capp.. I believe Mr Mason has already been retained by.... D Casey... ::MonkeyHaHa::

  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Thanks.  It is always good to see you AM.       ::MonkeyDance::    JSM - read your comment too - thanks!

::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

::MonkeyWink:: Hey Trimm

O yea you're right!   Well, that would be a conflict - Im not sure that he cant advise though - no different than any other opinion in that regard.   It just seemed interesting that he found it necessary to get on Local6 with his opinions.

Y'know, at one time I felt sorry for George.. no more..
Together, George and Cindy have created a freak show atmoshere. They could have quietly supported their daughter while grieving for Caylee.. I hope that the living lie and prison they have designed for themselves haunts them until Caylee forgives them in the next life

O I dont think they are going to the same place that Caylee is an angel now  ::MonkeyWink::

HaHa Let's ask death row inmate Nelson Serrano how Mr Mason helped HIM beat DNA of his on the back of an airport parking stub .. That's what he was sentenced to death on.. a thumbprint.. Buh bye Crazy  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm not against the death penalty, but here in CA it is a huge waste of time, the way I look at it is by the time they figure everything out Scott Peterson and David Westerfield will have died from natural causes, or if luck will have it the guards will turn their backs and someone will stab either one or both to death. I don't know how long it takes in Florida to get it together to finally inject the accused, but something tells me it will take a long, long time if Casey gets on death row. In the long run I would prefer life in prison w/o parole, but I guess we will wait and see how this plays out.

I think you're right Sunny.  I think he is just throwing a theory around in his head - and talking out loud.   It would be nice if he would come on NG tonight and explain himself!    ::MonkeyHaHa::     I do think the possibility of a daisy chain looks stronger than before, though.

God is Good...but not that good... to let George and Cindy walk thru the pearly gates.

NO WAY!!!!

Since 1976 it appears to be a bit all over the map from 3 years to 25 - two women have been executed since the same year

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/oth/deathrow/execlist.html

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/oth/deathrow/women.html#recieved   Woman on death row

I agree Dolce..they have used up time and money from the investigation leading LE and the FBI on ..and never being fully cooperative.  They have lied and that is something that really hinders a case like this in finding the body and pinpointing the time of the crime.   I would love to see them arrested and also forfiet any money they have made off of this crime committed against Caylee.

Baez can talk all he wants about pointing fingers at others....but no one had the meansto have done this but Casey.  Remember the car was turned over to LE on July 16th or 17th.  It contained evidence that matches evidence at the crime scene.
No one had access to that car from July 27th until July 15th...it was locked and impounded.   The evidence of decopm showed the body was in the car at about 2 1/2 days during that process.  None of these people were anywhere near the car at that point in time.  Also as Dolce pointed out the size of the boots..actually I thought they were size 5  but 7 is still way too small for a man to where boots into a woods. 

I wonder how long Baez will be on the case anyway with the Bar investigating him again..this time two complaints were filed on the same subject..and the filers were Dom Casey and Judge Strickland.  They are going to take a judge filing this complaint very seriously.

Hey Co-Chair Capp!  We need to get our stories straight.  How about a quick side-bar?

Regarding the newly reinstated DP charges, lets think about why the State feels compelled at this time to do it.

1)  The State is pushing for a plea.
2)  The State is afraid of exculpatory evidence coming
3)  The State feels they have a very strong case, and want to fry KC
4)  The State wants Baez off of the case.

I am inclined to go with 3 mainly because the evidence has changed since they last had the DP on the table.  They have found the body, they have found additional incriminating evidence at the scene, and they may have forensic evidence of abuse (drugging, etc.).  No jury in the would have convicted for DP without a body and/or cause of death.

I also think that they would take a plea.  This is shaping up to be a long drawn out costly affair.  If they were comfortable with LWOP before, why not plea to it now and save time, effort, and dollars?

I do not agree with LP that there is something coming out that will give the defense an advantage.  Regardless of who phoned whom, the fact remains that all evidence points to the slore.  I believe the State is comforatable with these distractions.

I do believe that the State would not be upset if Baez is thrown off of the case.  I believe they realize the chance of appeal is high with him around.  By forcing him to second chair, the appeal problem is diminished.

Now co-chair, are you mentally ready to assist me in putting the slore to death?   ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks for that.  ::MonkeyWink::

The only way to get life in prison WITHOUT parole is to seek the death penalty. They are given 2 options in the penalty phase...death or life w/out parole.

Otherwise she is found guilty and sentenced to 25 to life and winds up coming up for parole. She doesn't deserve to ever step outside a prison cell again. imo

Someone needs to make a BOZO photosjop with a giant pacifier and a baby bonnet because he sure is a giant whiny baby.

My new nick for him is crybaby-tit**y-sucker.

Hey Co-Chair Capp!  We need to get our stories straight.  How about a quick side-bar?

Regarding the newly reinstated DP charges, let's think about why the State feels compelled at this time to do it.

1)  The State is pushing for a plea.
2)  The State is afraid of exculpatory evidence coming
3)  The State feels they have a very strong case, and want to fry KC
4)  The State wants Baez off of the case.

I am inclined to go with 3 mainly because the evidence has changed since they last had the DP on the table.  They have found the body, they have found additional incriminating evidence at the scene, and they may have forensic evidence of abuse (drugging, etc.).  No jury in the would have convicted for DP without a body and/or cause of death.

I also think that they would tickled pink to take a plea.  This is shaping up to be a long drawn out costly affair.  If they were comfortable with LWOP before, why not plea to it now and save time, effort, and dollars?  Would Slore plead?  Not sure, but with the body found she may rethink her mortality.

I do not agree with LP that there is something coming out that will give the defense an advantage.  Regardless of who phoned whom, the fact remains that all evidence points to the slore.  I believe the State is comfortable with these distractions the defense is playing.

I do believe that the State would not be upset if Baez is thrown off of the case.  I believe they realize the chance of appeal is high with him around.  By forcing him to second chair, the appeal problem is diminished. 

In addition, they would have to bring back the Lennamon defense that it was somehow an accident.  I am sure they thought that this would never surface again.  Everything changes with the defense.

Now co-chair, are you mentally ready to assist me in putting the slore to death?   ::MonkeyCool::

Anyone have a pciture of Deputy Dog (Richard Cain)?

You're right. That's Baez's job ... good luck with that Baez.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Is this in the state of Florida you are talking about?

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk288/jrtesq/Misc/babycrying.jpg)
"Judge Strickland is a big ol meanie pants. Ima tell my mama on him."

There are just to many coincidences for there not to be some connections IMO Kronk's story never rang of truth to me and it still doesn't...

Today Show:Prosecutors to seek death penalty

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/30205584#30205584

For me too, something is off on this, from the moment I set my eyes on Kronk, I got a strange feeling about him.

Yep, and ol Richard Allen Davis is still on death row in CA right?

I support the DP in many cases but do think it takes too damn long to come down.

Maybe placing the beyoootch in gen pop will be a more efficient death sentence.

I doubt slore will get the DP ... it is a good bargaining chip though. And good to now the thought is hanging over her fat head.

What does Richard Cain look like? Isn't he older thna Casey's usual hook-ups?

Anyone know? 

pssst sidebar to my co-chair:   I concur with 3 confidently.  I also agree that the State is not worried about whatever smoke & mirrors the defense is going to throw at the jury wall.   It should be the State's position that regardless who went to those woods AFTER Caylee was murdered months later (forensics will prove at least within a month when that was thru plant & bug life, etc.) the fact remains that skankarella did not report Caylee missing, had a carefree & criminal month of leisure instead of worrying whatsoever where Caylee was, her lies & fabricated stories were premeditated including her computer searches about chloroform, household weapons but most of all her researching information on missing children dating back to March 2008, months in advance of Caylee's murder.  Her cell phone records, pings & online activity will create a compelling time line & factual basis of what occurred between 6/15-7/15.  Those same records will also so that certain individuals (i.e. Keith Williams, Kronk) had no contact with the defendant prior to Caylee's murder or immediately thereafter.   Additionally,  evidence of the murder was in Casey's car trunk even before a body was found & Casey herself tried to cover up why her car smelled of death - note the car & trunk were locked at Amscot & remained that way until her parents had to go get a spare key to access the car, no signs of tampering of the trunk were detected.   The kicker...items from her house & belongings of Caylee's  that no one else outside of family would have ready access to nor would pick to be with Caylee's remains & receipts may show the purchase of a few of those items by Casey (laundry bag for example).  And that is just the short list.   

The murder and an obvious cover up after the fact are two different things.   At best the defense making this "pin the tail on the donkey defense" will only bolster that Casey killed Caylee but thru her disclosing where she dumped her at some point which  may have embodied a circle of participants spearheaded by her mother...that would be the daisy chain but has nothing to do with who killed Caylee but moreover who was willing to assist as co-conspirators after the fact.

Im so ready my friend!

Baez visits jail
following notice from
state

Last Edited: Tuesday, 14 Apr 2009, 12:54 PM EDT
Created On: Tuesday, 14 Apr 2009, 12:51 PM EDT
Baez entered the jail perimeter shortly after 8 p.m. and left at 9:15 p.m., according to official jail records. Casey has not received any other visitors since then.

Around 4 p.m. Monday, state prosecutors announced their plan to seek to have Anthony executed if she is found guilty in the death of her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/041409baez_visits_jail

When the hideous facts of the case come out n court, and I do believe this will go to trial.....when the people of Florida and the world hears the gruesome details how this little innocent girl was killed by her mother....probably drugged, mouth taped so she couldn't scream out, that her mother drove around with her decomposing body in the trunk of her car while she is partying and playing housewife with her boyfriend and clubbing, then she is dumped like a bag of trash to rot in a swamp....I hope then the people of Florida become so outraged they will no longer be fearful of sentencing a young woman to death! I hope they will remember that Caylee was never allowed to become a young woman....her death sentence came at the hands of her own mother....

Don't know.  ::MonkeyRoll::

Sorry for the long post, but been collecting since last cage and other things that make me go hummmmm.
1. Trimm - you posted this from NG last night: 
PADILLA: Let`s figure it out this way. What if there`s a situation that the state would like to have a plea? It was mentioned by one of the attorneys there. Let`s get her to plea out to this thing before something that is bugging everybody gets found out. The smart thing for the state to do is put the death penalty back on the table and hope that she pleads out.

adding to this, as it was on my list to talk about.......later JOHN LUCICH, INVESTIGATOR, AUTHOR OF "CYBER LIES":
But I agree with Leonard. The state`s pushing it because they want him to -- they want her to actually plea so that something else doesn`t come out to actually throw a wrench into the gears here.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/13/ng.01.html

-------------->  Now, could the something else be George is the father?  Seriously, what is BUGGING US - what do we feel the Ant's don't want to come out?   Was casey a porn star?  Seriously, only the father being family could be worse, right?   

2. Cindy talking about the "air bag" or air mattress in her depo stuck me very odd.  Saying casey often had it in the car, if she thought "work" might go late......so, makes me wonder if they have these in crib size - how small of one can you get?  Could casey have drugged caylee and put her in the back of car on it on a regular basis? 

3.  Josh OBarr - not sure I buy it, but if true - might have saved his life to have Caylee to live for.  If true, maybe Caylee has a loving parent in heaven with her.
3a.   Cindy will s$it green if this is true and burn her green sweaters and tops and those shamrock pins to. 

4.  Electric chair or lethal injection - maybe I send casey this note (after all georgie asked me to write her - bet he says that on Oprah too).
casey :  sure know you must be having a hard time with all the decisions that face you:  strawberry or blueberry poptarts, frosting or not, red hooo lipstick or school girl pink, lethal injection or electric chair?  Well let me help you with that last one.  One thing you never seem to have experienced, and we all know you tried most of it was to feel.  So, go for the electric chair, might be you last chance to feel anything - oh, sorry and your first.

5. Wouldn't you guys love to see Jeff Aston ask JB,  "You all right?"  after this little change! LOL

6.  Mags - hugs for your ordeal and keep that son safe.  Since they ran, they are probably chickens, but keep that mama eye on him and tell him to be aware to.  The fact that he saw them, worries the mom in me!

I so hope you are right.

Yikes. they just issued a tornado warning.. I hope 3 babies will be careful too.. I just warned my kids heads up...  ::MonkeyShocked::

thanks trim

I am very skeptical regarding Leonard Padilla's claim implying he is privy to inside information.  Other than what he was told and observed at the Anthony home during Casey's first release ... I contend he is speculating like the rest of us.

Janet

++++++

PATERNITY

Fiction:

NANCY GRACE
Missing Toddler`s Mother Reportedly Turns Down Immunity Offer
Aired September 2, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, HELPED GET CASEY ANTHONY OUT OF JAIL: Well, here`s the situation, Nancy. I believe that when the FBI, who`s got one of the finest labs in the world comes back with the DNA it`s going to shock the world over something that Lee, Casey and Cindy have known since Wednesday when they released their preliminary.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/02/ng.01.html


New Twist In Casey Anthony Case
Thursday, September 4, 2008
Brother may be tied to case
by Rozzie Franco and Nada Taha, 540 WFLA/FNN

ORLANDO, FLA. --   The latest twist in the Casey Anthony case comes from the man who at one point gave her a “get out of jail free” card and may tie her brother, Lee Anthony, into the saga ...

Padilla said that officials ruled it was Caylee’s hair just by a process of elimination because the hair had a death ring around it and they know Casey is alive. The fact that the DNA is identical has something to do with who the father is, Padilla said.

“Would the DNA from a child resulting from a union from Lee and Casey have basically the same characteristics? Making the preliminary DNA check not definitive as to who the hair samples are from,” he said.

http://www.540wfla.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=227698&article=4189759


Fact:

NANCY GRACE
FBI Test Clears Brother Lee Anthony of Caylee Paternity
Aired March 17, 2009 - 20:00:00   ET

NANCY GRACE, HOST: ... DNA lab reports proving brother Lee Anthony tested to determine if he was little Caylee`s biological father received. Authorities conduct paternity tests on tot mom`s own brother, Lee Anthony, to identify who`s Caylee`s father, the tests buried deep in stacks of pages of FBI lab reports.

<snipped>

GRACE: Straight out to Nikki Pierce with WDBO. She`s standing by there at the jailhouse. Nikki, based on the documents I`ve got in my hand -- and this is official state discovery documents -- Lee Anthony, tot mom`s own brother, was actually tested for paternity?

NIKKI PIERCE, WDBO: Nancy, rumors have been flying on the Internet and everywhere else, wondering, could Lee Anthony be Caylee`s father. And apparently, the FBI wondered, as well, because they did a paternity test to make sure.

GRACE: Well, I`ve got to tell you, Nikki Pierce, I`ve been asked that, our viewers ask the question over and over, and I also thought it was a trumped-up discussion, Web sleuths, that meant nothing. But you`re telling me that you are convinced paternity tests were run, DNA tests, to determine whether tot mom`s own brother was the father of her child?

PIERCE: They certainly did run those tests, and it came back a negative. It came back saying that Lee could not be the father of Caylee.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/17/ng.01.html


FINGERPRINTS

Fiction:

NANCY GRACE
Search for Florida 5-Year-Old Missing From Own Bed
Aired February 11, 2009 - 20:00:00   ET

GRACE: Leonard, what do you know, if anything, about sources reporting fingerprints were lifted off the duct tape?

PADILLA: I heard this morning that there were fingerprints and that the prints are Casey`s on the duct tape

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/11/ng.01.html


Fact:

NANCY GRACE
FBI Test Clears Brother Lee Anthony of Caylee Paternity
Aired March 17, 2009 - 20:00:00   ET

Other tidbits in the documents include that Caylee's body was found with a piece of duct tape covering her mouth -- tape that appeared to have been put on the child's mouth intentionally, according to the police report. Forensic analysis of the tape turned up "residue in the perfect shape of a heart," apparently from a sticker that had been placed over the duct tape, the report said. The sticker was found near where the remains were recovered.

However, no fingerprints were found on the duct tape, according to the documents.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/17/ng.01.html

I 's like to see a report on those soil samples.  ::MonkeyCool::

Question: how would the hurricane and flooding off Suburban Drive affect the plant evidence? Say, the remains are there in mid- to late Juneand then two months later -- or whenever it was -- they are dislodged by water. Wouldn't the "old" plant evidence be disturbed and new plants begin to grow??? Just wondering.

Thank you, Janet.  ::MonkeyWink:: I'll take old Lenny with quite a few grains of salt.

Nice to see you.

I hear that!   I dont know how people sleep at night that defend & try to find excuses for monsters like this when things are so obvious...shame on them!

Contrary to what has been portrayed, the woods down here are NOT swamps. Some may be low lying and prone to some water collection, but they all have alot of leafy undergrowth and dry areas to walk in. I suspect the water was never more than 6" deep.

Yes, thanks Janet, what I'm thinking maybe when Lenny gets deposed he will say things that will make sense, I think his deposition will be highly informative.  ::MonkeyEek::

Please be careful, how frightening.

Did TES search the site where the remains were later found? And if water was not so deep why weren't the remains found earlier?

Were they buried initially and brought up by water?

IIRC correctly, the docs said GA, CA and LA's prints were not on the duct tape. They NEVER mentioned if Crazy's were there or not..  ::MonkeyEek::

Sorry fm....I refer to it as swamps......to me they are snake filled swamps....eeekkkkkkkkk  I do not mean to be misleading.... ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm really leaning towards Casey buried her, for me this makes more sense and why Caylee's remains weren't found sooner, very curious about this.

me too!!! and the comparison to the dirt in the car and on the killers boots

For prosecutors to come out and say that Casey deserves death, they must have everything that is needed to proceed with a death penalty case. Slam dunk case, I personally don't believe any case is a slam dunk, but they sure seem confident with the evidence they have.

I don't think there was a dislodging due to water flow at all, the discovery we received thus far seems to indicate that the plant life was significant thru the remains & after all those months certain things were not separated from the body...I don't think we have any way of getting a good indication of that yet but that is my preliminary thoughts on it.

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Correct

TES search near...but not at the site the remains were found...Hey GEORGE...I said REMAINS!!! in fact Tim stopped the search in that area after losing a 4 wheeler in the water, mud, swamp, whatever one cares to call it

Right. What I remember is seeing those names excluded in the docs, but not Casey's and then a news article said "no prints on the duct tape."

Other tidbits in the documents include that Caylee's body was found with a piece of duct tape covering her mouth -- tape that appeared to have been put on the child's mouth intentionally, according to the police report. Forensic analysis of the tape turned up "residue in the perfect shape of a heart," apparently from a sticker that had been placed over the duct tape, the report said. The sticker was found near where the remains were recovered.

However, no fingerprints were found on the duct tape, according to the documents.  

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/17/ng.01.html

that is what I remember as well...I really believe there is SO MUCH MORE evidence than we know yet. ::MonkeyDance::

ok, I couldn't recall for sure ... it does bother me -- Kronk and Williams out there and Deputy Dog called to the scene and she was not found until December. But what can you do? It is what it is.

Yeah, George, the remains of the little body your daughter dumped there.

Now bite me, George.

Tim may have had a 4 wheeler get caught in alotta mud, it was very wet here during TS Fay

me neither...especially after the OJ debacle!!  But I don't think this is some kind of ploy to get casey to plea out...I think new forensics tests and possibly witness testimony is what brought the DP back.

hmmmm, maybe a fingerprint on the heart shaped sticker....yes it was found thru age & water damage to be separated from the duct tape but maybe a faint fingerprint survived on it - just a thought!

Baez Tells Casey State's Seeking Death Penalty
Anthony Attorney To Depose 2 Law Enforcement Officers

POSTED: 11:47 am EDT April 14, 2009
UPDATED: 12:58 pm EDT April 14, 2009
 Baez Tells Casey State's Seeking Death Penalty]
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Jail records Tuesday show that defense lawyer Jose Baez has notified Casey Anthony of the state's decision to seek the death penalty.

Baez spent more than an hour Monday night with his client at the Orange County Jail where Casey Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee.

Caylee's remains were found in a wooded area near the Anthonys' East Orange County home last December.

Meanwhile, in the wake of Monday's stunning about-face by the state attorney's office to seek the death penalty against Casey Anthony, Baez is scheduling more depositions.

On Tuesday, Baez filed a notice to depose two law enforcement officers. One is a Corrections Lt. Tammy Unser, who said she witnessed Casey Anthony hyperventilate upon seeing TV coverage of a child's remains discovered along Suburban Drive, which was later revealed to be her daughter.

http://www.wesh.com/news/19176124/detail.html

He did,  Tim spoke about it on NG.   And then he announced on Sept 7th that they were postponing the search.

Source to the above quote:

Wed February 18, 2009
Caylee files reveal details about duct tape, Pooh blanket, car trunk

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/18/casey.caylee.evidence/index.html

That's what I'm thinking.

Anyone have any idea when we will get to see Bozo's depos???

Hi Janet...it's always good to see you!! ::MonkeyDance::

I agree it does not add up-does anyone know for sure if Kronk took a polly-  I hope so ::MonkeyConfused::

I believe CNN interpreted the docs the way they wanted. They are not reliable. I stand by the way I read the docs.

Unfortunately even 6" of water is considered to be swampy to other non-Floridians.  ::MonkeyHaHa::  We call it "lush landscaping".

Hello Monkeys-I hope everyone had a  great Holiday!!!

I would think it is at least very likely that there were leaves and other assorted live vegetation possible on top of the remains, where it could have been  very hard to distinguish any bags.  Things grow rapidly in the summer in that type of climate and I would think there is a lot of stuff in any vacant lot in an area like that.  Look how many things that were found all over the place during the period that Caylee was "missing". 

I would love to know that as well.

Dolce, you are absolutelt correct!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::
My idea of a mosquito may be someone else's idea of a dragonfly  ::MonkeyHaHa::

flamom ... do you have a link to this particular doument.

Thank you.

Janet

I keep running out to watch the black clouds    ::MonkeyEek::

If that's the case, just how is that idiotic GA going to use his new boat with that big, huge motor on the back?    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Just to add to that GnM, the floor of the wooded area was protected for the most part by the wooded canopy.  While tree limbs and trees themselves may have fallen or been blown over by hurricane force winds, the ground below would not sustain any real damage other than piles of debris and or the fallen branch/tree.  The grass and plant life would not have been uprooted, just covered in water, which once dried would then in return saturate the floor to where it sits.  So it would not really have done much damage, just moved things around a bit, and possibly too could have helped given that anything within the bag which would have evaporated instead went into the soil and plant life via means of the rain fall and water retention obsorbtion.  (Did that make any sense???  LOL  I am NOT a scientist..remember!!!)

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I am thinking that there are several new results back that are pointing the way towards the death penalty.  I am thinking that dirt on the shoes, maggot evidence, and results from tests on Caylee's hair.  I would think those would be pretty damning.

Me too. The docs only said EXCLUSIONARY fingerprints were not found. Ei: GA<CA and LA nothing about KC.

::MonkeyHaHa::  Now don't you go pissin George off, he said he'll have to do sumtin!

sorry i dont but will be glad to look in my spare time while evading tornadoes   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Will stand with you, I read them to say they excluded everyone but casey.

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source: http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740657/detail.html  (http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740657/detail.html)

pages 55-56

That photo of Krazy is really spooky.  No matter which way you turn the screen, you can't get away from those eyes.   ::MonkeyEek::

Exactly!!  That is what I remember too!!  Was it not Baez who said not to believe everything we read in news articles?  He may have been right!

I had sved this from NG...sorry I didn't save the link

GRACE: Joining me right now, also there at the location where the remains were discovered, is Tim Miller. He is the director of Texas Equusearch. He has searched exhaustively for little Caylee. He says the sources -- his sources say this is little Caylee.

Tim, your workers, volunteers, everybody has been in and around this area, but isn`t it true that at the time the search was going down, Hurricane Faye had come through and there was extensive flooding?

TIM MILLER, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH: Nancy, if you recall -- and I got a lot of criticism for calling the search off the first time, but we actually lost a four-wheeler back in this same exact area that one of the volunteers was on the four-wheeler and water went totally over it. And the next day is when I called the search off, and it`s the best choice I ever made because if you recall back then, I said, You know what? If this little girl is under the water and a horse steps on her or a four-wheeler goes over or even a person steps on her just thinking it`s some type of debris underneath the water, then we`ve jeopardized any future search efforts.

And then when we came back the second time, this water where she was found -- and I actually went right back to the scene with investigators a couple of hours ago. But this water was still high when we came back the second time. And a neighbor actually said it was about a week-and-a-half ago or two weeks at the most when the water receded enough that you could see anything there.

So this is an area that we tried to search. Weather conditions just would not allow it. And I will never, ever regret calling the search off at that time because we could have done far more damage than good if we had...

GRACE: Tim, I remember that very night -- I remember talking to you about that night on the show, asking you why you pulled out. And you made it very clear that you were so afraid that in all the water -- it was feet deep -- that you were afraid if Caylee`s remains were there, they would be ruined or scattered and would never be found. And boy, were you right, Tim Miller. You never made a better call in your life.

MILLER: Thank you.

Its the same IN N.Jersy had it for 20 years-never put anyone to death-all sitting on death row  costing us tax payers alot of money.  Thank God Florida uses it-I want the evil one sitting on death row knowing she is going to die.  If she gets life-she will make a life in prison-one way or the other she will find a way to be happy

Yikes our temp went from 85 to 71 in 15 minutes.. I sense trouble in the atmosphere..  ::MonkeyTongue::

Files released in Casey Anthony case show a family unraveling
Bianca Prieto, Amy L. Edwards and Sarah Lundy, Sentinel Staff Writers
February 19, 2009

The duct tape wrapped around Caylee Marie Anthony's skull could have come from the home she shared with her mother and grandparents -- or from the homes of thousands of other people.

Investigators also found no fingerprints on the tape that would reveal who sealed the dead child's mouth.

http://www.latimes.com/news/columnists/orl-casey1909feb19,0,7394176.story

hahahahaha.....swamps, alligators, snakes and lush landscaping!  LOL

::MonkeyShocked::  Don't show them a palmetto bug, they might think our roaches are on steroids!!   ::MonkeyShocked::

Stay safe Fla & everyone in the storm's path, I had a hail & wind storm the other day.

That's because the reporters don't read as careful as monkeys do.  Look up - good and mad posted the doc!

Thanks, Sunny. So, at least according to Nacy, the water was "feet-deep" in the area the remains were found.

I am lost.....are you still talking about the 4 wheeler???  What docs specifically are you discussing???

Men...can never follow directions!  (You know that is what Cindy was thinking too)  Its just too bad that no woman in their right mind would have followed Cindy's instructions other than Joy and she was needed to be the one witness to say it was not there when TES was.

Hi...I did, and now we are all excited about the death penalty being put back on the table!!

So how do you monkeys interpret the above docs?

NO fingerprints at all were found on the tape
None of the above named people's prints found on tape, but maybe someone else's were

My other question is this: If there were NO prints at all on the tape, why do elimination prints?

Anyone?

And who the heck keeps breaking the cage today?  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

"BINKY BOZO!" ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

The LaTimes writer interpreted the docs. It was never stated in the official papers that NO fingerprints were found. I am looking for zebras and not horses, that requires reading between the lines

Aw send some down this way hon!  It is 88 and no rain as of yet, just cushy clouds and blue sky.

Im thinking it has to be on those three alone because if there was no prints of Caseys in that particular report and analysis it would have included her name as one of the eliminated parties as well.

Me too. That's what I remember reading. ::MonkeyCool::

That's the way I figured it, too.  I would be willing to bet they have KC's fingerprint - or at least a partial print.  JMO.

Those things just make it more interesting when you decide to venture outside or swim in your pool.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I would appreciate if I could be directed to this particular document.  ALL the media sources I have accessed states that there were NO fingerprints on the document.

Thanks

Janet

++++++++

Prosecutors Release More Caylee Evidence
Hundreds Of Photos, Documents Released
POSTED: 6:06 am EST February 18, 2009
UPDATED: 5:02 pm EST February 19, 2009

The documents and photos are the latest evidence released in the case against Casey Anthony, who is charged with first-degree murder in connection with Caylee's death. She awaits trial later this year in Orange County Jail.

Although the evidence mentions links between evidence from Caylee's remains and the Anthony home, it does not mention finding any fingerprints on the duct tape, which was found wrapped around Caylee's skull. (Video: Defense Reaction)

Here is a breakdown of what was released on Wednesday, as well as reaction from Casey Anthony's defense team:

The duct tape: An FBI analysis says the duct tape found on Caylee’s skull is consistent with the duct tape found on a gasoline can at the Anthony home. But defense attorney Jose Baez said in a statement that "there are no fingerprints on the duct tape."

http://www.wesh.com/news/18738287/detail.html

Dont worry Naples, yours is on the way later on.. at least I had a chance to clean the pool filter and vacuum it   ::MonkeyTongue::

bump

I'm not interpreting this .. just posting it.

I don't blame you....be SAFE!!!

Personally I think that if the testing were done on those 3 they were done on Casey as well.  To not show her listed as one of the ones who had been cleared speaks volumes IMO.
I believe that the news article has it wrong, they are not scientists and more likely skimmed these findings for whatever good juicy piece of news they could find.  Casey is not on that list of exclusions, therefore she is STILL a possibility!!

he is going to attach a billboard to it and motor around the ocean::MonkeyWink::

I'm not so sure that Spindy didn't take her happy azz around there on Suburban to see for herself. I put nothing past her. JMO

ditto

I like your thinking!!

GoodandMad posted it for you on the last page. 

... as well as:

CNN
Orlando Sentinal
WESH
WFTV

Could somebody please link me to this document ... this document that the media is unable to interpret?

Thank you.

Janet

Like walk out on me.....aaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww 

BUMP

Janet -- I posted the snips form the docs and the link above.

Good post Steel.   I agree with you on all points.   I believe that the State would like to see KC fry, but would be willing to take a reasonable plea from KC in order to save a couple million dollars.   Not a popular opinion here - but it what I believe.  Don't throw rotten bananas.   

OK...I am back on track....the fingerprints on the duct tape...or lack there of ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740657/detail.html

I had a run in with a palmetto bug once when visiting a friend down in FL. That was no roach on steroids, that thing was a small bird! It flew around her kitchen, scared the cr@p out of me!!
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That sounds like a reward to me not a punishment.

Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya, Georgie Boy.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

See reply #248.

Thank you goodnmad.

I was unable to access the forum for about five minutes and ... missed your posting.

Janet

::MonkeyHaHa::
That is what Florida elements are like.  That is what the b*tch threw Caylee into.

 ::MonkeyShocked::  I am skeered of nados!!

My comment was in the wrong post.  I'm sorry, but I just can't get the picture out of my head of that boat and huge motor tooting around the swamps of FL.   I'm not familiar with swamps, but I'm sure they're not lakes, which is where this boat belongs.  It's just such a hoot!!

Glad you found that GNM.I was hunting too and computer froze up.I blame Casey.  ::MonkeyCool::

double ditto!

Janet -- you're welcome.

I'm not 100% sure what the statements in the docs mean, could be interpreted either way IMO.  :smt102

Yes, I have been kicked right out of the cage numerous times today.  ::MonkeyWaa::

 ::MonkeyDance::

OHMYGAWD!  I have seen them.......they are SCARY!!! HUGE!!!! and SCARY!!!!!

I say triple ditto.  ::cartwheel::

     ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::  I can think of no other  reason for the SA to go for the DP.  I do not think, after watching them in court that the prosecution is into game playing, like Hosey claims.  They are too confident.  No way in my mind are they trying to force Casey to confess, I don't think they need to.

   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::  Now for the rest of the clan to be arrested for obstruction.

I blame her and her PTA (PopTartAzz per the lovely non-PTA Dolce) for changing weather patterns. OMG, Casey's PTA caused global warming y'all.

 ::MonkeyDance::

the conditions had to be pretty bad and dangerous to the searchers for Tim to call the search off

I agree and he (unlike the scamthonys) truly wanted that child found.

I despise the scamthonys.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I wouldn't be surprised if she did this, either.     ::MonkeyNoNo::

Why would they run finger print testing on the duct tape if there was nothing to compare them against?  There has to be something there for a comparison to be made.  They eliminated 3 players in this crime per their list, but did not list who the finger prints matched.  So if we go on common sense and believe that there are fingerprints on the duct tape are we to conclude that after these 3 were ruled out they did not search for any other match? 
Sorry I do not buy that, they found their match and they just wanted to be sure that none of the others matched as well to throw in an accomplice.  I did not see Caylee's name on the exclusion list, I wonder if they tested hers as well?
Sorry I do not buy the media story of "no fingerprints found on the tape", it would be redundant to run comparison on clean tape.

Wouldn't they already have the ho's prints from when she was booked?

SM has had the hiccups since early this morning!
 I took it as there were prints and the 3A's were eliminated....but not casey

What about the garbage bags? Was there ever any mention of the garbage bags being tested for finger prints? Maybe they found her prints on the gb's? I skim through lots of things and maybe missed this, but I don't remember hearing anything about prints being found or not found on them. Just wondering if any monkey knows or remembers off hand? I know the tape is probably a better source being that it's very sticky, but being there was double gb's maybe there's a slight chance a finger print could still be found? Just being hopeful I guess that they found some sort of print somewhere. If any other A's prints were found, I'd of expected they'd have been arrested already.

Hello Monkeys

Would the wording be different if CA, GA and LA prints were not on the tape but prints were found. I would think it would say Excluded and or not a match.
I would love to hear casey's prints are on the tape and heart.

Monkey hugs

Can I ditto myself?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I agree.   Good point, Dolce!

I agree with all three of you. 

Does anyone know what happened to the bag of stuffed animals, etc., which Sin said didn't look familiar?  I know what's his face said that he put them back.  Were they found when Caylee's remains were found?

::MonkeyHaHa::  It has one huge lunar pull

Very true QM.   

I don't recall any mention of this QM ... I'm sure they would have checked for prints.

The other question is what about and DNA on the duct tape -- aisde from Caylee of course, Says Casey ripped it with her teeth -- couldn't there be some of her DNA from her skin or saliva there?

OK, reading again...this looks like there were no prints on the tape...... ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: and it also looks like only prints for the 3 A's were sent to be compared to any prints IF any were found for elimination purposes only.

I just had a thought...do we KNOW this is the tape that was found on Caylee's skull oir is this the tape from the gas can??

Thats exactly the question I asked this weekend too!! It sure will get interesting, eh?  ::MonkeyTongue::
Time to drive some kids around, bbl!! The storms are almost passed.. the west coast of Fla is getting hammered. Keep an eye to the sky and the radar Dolce  ::MonkeyCool::

Oprah Winfrey: Viewers sound off about George, Cindy Anthony
posted by halboedeker on Apr 14, 2009 2:21:42 PM
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Viewers are sharing their disappointment that Oprah Winfrey wants to interview George and Cindy Anthony in May.

Here's a sample:

"Who has done the research for Oprah? Do they really know what they are getting in to? I wonder..."

And another:

"Personally, if O doesn't know all the ins and outs of this case, the A's are going to walk all over her. She should really consider putting this interview off until next year or so...or better yet, replace them with another guest.."

You can see the comments at Oprah.com
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/04/oprah-winfrey-viewers-sound-off-about-george-cindy-anthony.html

http://www.oprah.com/index

goodnmad

After reading the document ... I am inclined to agree with you all that something is hinky.  Why was Casey's fingerprints not eliminated ... only her mother, father and brother?

I cannot comprehend why all the news medias ... even the Orlando publicabtions ... interpreting this document as excluding Casey when ... it does not.

I apologize for not making the effort to catch up when I was allowed back into the cage but ... I was on a google mission attempting to find just one new article that implied that Casey's fingerprints could have been on that duct tape.

Thank you again.

Janet

I agree with your thinking Akmom - but I'm afraid that the state would allow her to confess in a plea in order to save the state of Florida a lot of time and money.   This trial will cost millions, especially if they have to move it.   I don't like the idea of a plea - but I have a feeling they would settle for one - if the terms were satisfactory.  JMO.

http://www.sandiego.gov/police/about/latent.shtml (http://www.sandiego.gov/police/about/latent.shtml)

Latent Prints
Manual Comparison of Latent Prints

Latent prints, also known as chance impressions, are a crucial piece of evidence that can be left at a crime scene or on objects recovered from a crime scene. They are most often invisible to the naked eye and need some form of physical or chemical development to make them visible.


When good quality latent prints are collected, the Latent Print Unit can enter the prints into the Automated Latent Print System (ALPS) computer. This computer assists the examiner in locating and retrieving records of known prints that reside in the computer database. The database is used to retrieve a candidate list of possible matching impressions. After the candidate list is received, the latent print examiner conducts the final comparison. As part of the scientific process, any identification is then independently examined by a second latent print examiner to verify the original identification.

For all other latent prints that are suitable for identification purposes, a suspect's inked finger and/or palmprint card must accompany the latent print evidence. This enables the latent print examiner to conduct a manual comparison and render an opinion on whether or not any particular latent print is identified as being made by the subject in question.

Obtaining properly rolled legible fingerprints of individuals known to have been at a crime scene is an important part of an investigation. These rolled inked prints are called elimination prints. Collection of elimination prints allows the latent print examiner to possibly eliminate many of the latent prints that were collected as evidence.

 :smt102

I'm still trying to determine why exactly they'd do elimination prints if there were NO prints to begin with.

 

GOODY   ::MonkeyDance::    GOODY     ::MonkeyDance::    GOODY      ::MonkeyDance::

Also, that report was for "latent prints" only, which would be different from prints in adhesives if I am understanding this right. "Latent prints" would have been what they were searching for on the shiney side of the tape as they would not be detectable by the naked eye, only by adding chemical...now finger prints within adhesive would be visible once  the take was un-wound, therefore making them prints and NOT "latent prints".  Does that make sense??

la·tent print (plural la·tent prints)
noun   
Definition:   
a fingerprint that is left at a crime scene and remains invisible until chemically treated
 

such drama...both of them making a big thing about walking out...wish they had taken their asses outta there and then be held in contempt. For once in his life GA tried to act likes he had something between his legs other than bunched up tidy whites and now his ass has to come back and answer the questions!!  George it's all about the timing and yours SUCKS!!!

Sounds like Monkey's to me!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks Sunny.

I got it right.  So the media sources did get it right.

Janet

Sunny

Q76 is red gas can with duct tape

tape test results refer to Q62-64

I assume it is from the remains

Maybe there were "visible" prints? This is only discussing "latent prints", which I'd expect they would check for also!

::MonkeyDance::  Go Monkeys!!!   ::MonkeyDance::

Very good question - and I think it is very possible!

I meant to say ... YOU got it right.

Janet

Woot!  Monkey's doing their Monkey Business!!!  ::cartwheel::

ok, now I am just confused about fingerprints  ::MonkeyConfused::

I am confused as Dr. Henry Lee about ham and cheese  ::MonkeyHaHa::

And casey's could have been sent separately.....so it would be on a separate report...I don't but the no fingerprints found either....I do think it was misinterpreted

With all of these document dumps I believe there is a trick to reading them.  The trick is simply this - do not focus on what is within them but rather what has not been released!

You do not run finger print testing against an item void of any finger prints.  What a huge waste of tax payer money.  The Prosecution has a HUGE case full of evidence I am sure and that makes me SMILE!!  The media is not reading things carefully and posting false information to the public.  When this goes to trial we are all going to be blown away I am sure.

I do not remember it either..but I think there is still a lot of forensics we haven't seen yet.

http://www.essortment.com/all/fingerprintssec_rwkx.htm (http://www.essortment.com/all/fingerprintssec_rwkx.htm)

So now that we know what fingerprints are, how do people leave them behind at a crime scene? Since your fingers are covered in skin, they are also covered in skin pores. Skin pores produce oils and sweat, which are distributed on your fingers. When you touch something, those liquids are left on the surface, in the shape of your fingerprints (just like a rubber stamp with ink on it). It's those compounds that can be detected by forensic technicians, using a number of methods. The oily compounds left behind are often detected by good old fingerprint powder, just as you see on any TV detective movie. Like everything however, science has advanced fingerprint powders quite a lot since the early days. Modern fingerprint powders contain various compounds that did not even exist when fingerprint powders were invented (making them far more sensitive), and are usually applied using special soft fiberglass brushes, which do less damage to the fingerprints. When a fingerprint has not yet been detected, it's known as a "latent print" (latent for short). Modern science has found many other ways to detect latents, however. When you touch an object, the chemicals in your sweat may be absorbed into that object (paper is a good example of this), and there are now chemicals which can develop these latents quite nicely. Even paper, which has been soaking wet, can now be successfully examined for fingerprints, using advanced chemicals. The Laser has been a great boon to law enforcement officials as well, due to its ability to detect certain fingerprints. Some types of Lasers cause chemicals in some fingerprints to "fluoresce" or glow, which allows them to be photographed as evidence. There are also dyes that can be sprayed on pieces of evidence to help fingerprints to be more visible to the Laser. The Laser has been extremely useful in obtaining fingerprints from human bodies, a feat that was nearly impossible only a few years ago. Many surfaces, which were difficult to obtain useable fingerprint from in the past, are now routinely examined successfully due to all of these scientific advances.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::    That's ok GnM.  GA thinks garbage in a car for 19 days smells like decomp.   ::MonkeyTongue::
I'm confused, too.    ::MonkeyConfused::

Yes, but that was "latent prints".  The good Dr. Baden (the man) was speaking about prints within the adhesive being visible to the naked eye, and "latent prints" are those which are not visible to the naked eye unless enhanced with chemicals. 
I am going to look at what is not here versus what is, and that says a lot.

Janet - sorry walked away, glad you found goodnmad's post.  That was what I was trying to direct you to. 
Anyway, I think the reporters are reading just that no latent prints were found and not understanding that that information pertained to three specific persons prints that were asked to be compared.  But they see no latent prints and print it!
Monkeys read closer! LOL 

Edit typo

::cartwheel::  Thank you GoodandMad this is what I was trying to say!!  They did not say "NO FINGER PRINTS" they said "NO LATENT FINGERPRINTS"!!!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,465647,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,465647,00.html)

snipped

"The beauty of duct tape — no matter rain, snow, sleet — that fingerprint will stay there," Baden said, adding that if someone used their teeth to rip it, it could yield DNA evidence too.


"Right now, they would be looking at all the contents of the plastic bag and they would be looking at the plastic bag itself," Baden said. "The fingerprints on the outside often get dissolved away by weather, but the inside of the plastic bag, the fingerprints would be there."
 

Two-year-old Caylee Anthony has been missing since June 16. Her mother, Casey Anthony, 22, has been charged with first-degree murder of her daughter, child abuse, aggravated manslaughter and four counts of lying to investigators about her disappearance.

Evidence found in the trunk of Casey Anthony's Pontiac Sunfire showed a decomposing body had been kept there. Strands of Caylee's hair were found, as were traces of chloroform.

"One important thing that I’ve hoped they’ve done already is take an air sample from the bag because they found chloroform in the vehicle and the cause of death still has to be determined," Baden said.

Finding chloroform could poke holes in the prosecution's first-degree murder case, if this is Caylee's body, he said.

"If it is chloroform as the cause of death, then it could be an accidental overdose and would not be capital, first-degree murder, because sometimes chloroform is used as a babysitter, to put a baby to sleep while mom goes out partying," Baden said.

I agree Dolce. The one document is only referring to G&C&LA, not KC. So just because they didn't find their fp's doesn't mean they didn't find any or that they didn't find KC's. It didn't test KC's in this particular sample. Besides, if there were NO fingerprints, what were they testing them for in the first place?

Thanks....I guess we are being heard!!

Janet - I had a typo on my last post!  Should have said:  Monkeys read closer!  LOL
Even if this monkey never proof reads!! 

Edited your last post to fix typo 

Jumping 13 pages ahead to comment on the thread change...THANK YOU ALL

If you need a laugh or just want to scroll through some fun,
Go to the last thread, Page 99to 103....AND
You'll be laughing when you are done!!

GoodNMad...That picture of Prince was priceless.  ewwww
Trimm..Right in there with a link or two!!
Qm...You are a gracious monkey and love the squirrels!!
Sassy...You are a hoot.
JSM...Always thinking beer and fun!
Jammsnana..Beautiful puppy and congrats on being first!!
Finally CC...My money is on the way.  Did you really do the thread change????  Good Job All!!

Janet, I really am NOT SURE!

thanks...I guess we can scratch that idea then. ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm glad you got a few laughs from our misbehavin'  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks....great and simple explanation!!

Awww, hi Scarlett & thanks!!  ::MonkeyDance::

Hmmmm, you mispelled comfortable...... just sayin.

Going to catch up and I see you here.  You look fantastic .   ::MonkeyCool::  Love the tie. Brandi is TOPS!!   ::MonkeyDance::

Just wanted to say Hi and hope all is well.   Death Penalty  Hmmmmmmmmmmm

 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

I keep getting booted out and can't get back in. I was trying to say I saw my big,brave DH run from one of those Palmetto bugs on the tips of his toes when we lived in Fl. Not on tip-toe, but on the very tips of his bare toes. I didn't even know that was possible. ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::   That was fun.  I don't think Nut thought we'd make it through those last ten pages that fast.  We had some good discussions for being so early in the morning - but the last four pages were a riot!   I agree with Scarrlett - worth going back and reading!

HHere Here!!!

I agree 100%  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::

It wasn't us. It was our Nanny.  ::MonkeyCool::

Me Too! Had a blast trying to get to the new cage!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

so we still have quite a few possibilities

prints on the duct tape -- maybe  ::MonkeyTongue::
prints on garbage bags
KC's DNA on duct tape -- now this I would like
Toxicology results on remains showing cause of death???
dirt in car and on slore's shoes matches that at remains scene
those maggots


and what else?

I have been booted off so many times today, I lost count  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm thinking that the prosecutors to go forward with the death penalty, I'm thinking soil on boots/shoes, fingerprints on duct tape, and on sticker, garbage bags perhaps fingerprints, but at least match the box or roll at the Anthonys. But one thing I have been thinking since Caylee's remains were found and the duct tape. I'm thinking that the duct tape was placed on Caylee's mouth before she died, and that Caylee's tongue indentations are on the tape trying with her tongue to get the duct tape loose and off her mouth. They would be able to tell whether the duct tape was placed before or after death, and with the confidence the prosecutors are showing, and the wording that they used in their filing yesterday, tells me perhaps that is what happened.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::  you're bad Trimm.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

I didn't think of that ... could be. That's so sad to imagine.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Well lets hope that Oprah gets it and doesn't have the Anthonys on her show. And now that the death penalty is back on the table maybe their lawyer will actually tell his clients to shut up and not go on her show. We can only hope.

decomp fluid on the shoes/boots?

pavers matching those at the A's house - made from same lot number?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

more about duct tape ...

http://johninflorida.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/duct-tape-101/ (http://johninflorida.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/duct-tape-101/)

talks about techniquies for lifting prints from tape and references the Scott Peterson case.

Yes it is.

There were also other pieces of duct tape mentioned found at the site and there was some odd wording about the way the hands were described.  Sorry for the horrid thoughts that come with that.  I can't remember the exact wording, and as usual, don't have the link but I am sure some smart monkey does.

That is sad.   ::MonkeyNoNo::   I was thinking Caylee may have vomited and drowned in it.   Horrible thought, I know.  How cruel.

I have wondered if Casey tied or duct taped Caylee's hands?

After those depositions I would advise them to stay home.

do you mean when Dr G said "disarticulated" meaning the bones had become detatched? or something else?

Sassycat, could also be vomit on duct tape. Whatever the state has that is extremely damning they will hold until trial, and then the battle of the experts will start.

Casey would have almost HAD to restrain her hands if Caylee were still alive. Sorry for the bad thought too. ::MonkeyWaa::

That is what I am afraid of, and it seems to me that maybe the hands were found together, and not dis-articulated like the rest?  I am just so sickened.  I have always been against the DP, but with all that has gone on lately I may have to re-evaluate how I feel.

I agree, NoRose.    ::MonkeyNoNo::

They shouldn't be allowed to go out anywhere. Can you imagine how nuts Cindy must get, if the grocery store or Target is out of a particular item she is looking for? I would not want to be ahead of her with that wild woman and a shopping cart.  ::MonkeyEek:: There goes the ankles  ::MonkeyEek::

Me too NoRose.

I seem to remember on one of the docs about what was found, it seemed that one person found them both and I believe at the time it said possible hands.  One of these days I WILL remember to save links.

LLMBO

BUT, I'd be happy to volunteer to take HER OUT with a shopping cart!!!! ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::::MonkeyDance::

I was leaning toward death penalty ever since the decomp was reported in the trunk. I remember Casey's smirky face when she was first arrested in her blue hoodie. Those two thing were enough for me, much less the 31 days and the Fusian pics.

I don't recall anything about the hands. Anyone have a link?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-body-dna-121908,0,1859200.story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-body-dna-121908,0,1859200.story)

Garavaglia added that investigators recovered many tiny, undeveloped bones. The bones were "all disarticulated and completely skeletonized. There was dispertion of remains over the area."

When I was younger I was completely against the DP. Until a few years ago I changed my mind. My problem now with the DP, is it takes forever to administer it, and while the person is waiting on death row they are isolated from the rest of the prisoners, and get special treatment really when you look at it.

BBL.I just found out Hubby got laid off.   ::MonkeyNoNo::
gotta regroup

And what did C&G do?  Go wine and dine at the Ritz.   I think I need to send another email to Oprah today.   I have a few more things to say....

Oh no Trimm.   Big hugs and prayers coming your way.   

It was in the finding documents, along with the pictures of the site.  I hope I don't have this wrong but I remember being really upset about it at the time.  So, whatever doc dump had the site findings in it would be it.

Oh Trimm I'm so sorry  :smt056

SSwSweetie you already did - see tummy.

oh gee....I don't remember that either....anyone else????

Aww Trimm. So sorry.

I'll go and look. I could have missed it.

since when?   stupid remark if I must say so myself!

Thank you for pointing out the errors of my ways!   ::MonkeyCool::

Damn I wish Mr. Morgan could have somehow worked this into a question for GA!  I know, I know....I am cruel!! ::MonkeyLaugh::

I agree.  I wonder what he's been smoking.     ::MonkeyNoNo::

I know, love all the art that Brandi and CBB bring to us! 
And Muffy rocks, she took my foot outta my mouth!
Glad you are catching up, I did a big long post on page 9 and nobody noticed!  LOL - so there is hope for the late readers!
But, I am caught up and might work on my daisy chain chart.

Oh CRAP...trim I am so sorry to read this!!! :smt056

However, my brother was laid off....he was off 6 weeks and got another job....better company, better benefits, better future and more money!!!

Would some brave monkey (Dolce?) please call Physical Scientist/Forensic Examiner Elizabeth K. Fontaine at (703) 632-7708 and ask her just what this means.  Then we can put this bad boy to bed!

So sorry to hear that! Thoughts and prayers for you.

I noticed ANJ!    I thought the comment about GA being biodad was really interesting and a possibility.   You just never know.  I actually knew two girls in HS that were molested/having sex with their REAL dads.   It was the only way they were allowed to go out anywhere - if they would first have sex.   Just saying - it is a possibility.   

anj......some of us have been getting kicked off and missed your post....I did for sure...please bring it forward with a little bump

I haven't found anything specfiic on hands except cataloging possbile hand bones found. But it is 122 pages.  ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740668/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740668/detail.html)

Anywho, here it is for anyone interested.

I am against the DP for one reason only....it actually costs the States more time and money then LWOP.  The inmates on deathrow file appeal after appeal.  Guess who pays for those attorney's fees...they use the free attorneys that tax payers end up paying for, as well as the prosecutors.  Then they get special treatment and many are not shunned while on death row..since they never mix with the general population.  And you are normally looking at upwards of twenty years of appeals  per inmate on death row......................that is alot of lawyering revenue being spent to try to overturn a conviction..and that rarely happens.


People magazine just did an article on Scott Peterson's life behind bars.....it ain't perfect but it ain't that bad either.  He has friends on death row, has his female fans sending in money weekly to him so he has plenty of snacks.  Truly Slore's life will not change much from what it is today if she gets the DP.  But if she gets LWOP..then she may have some inmates that she has to interact with that won't take kindly to her.

So sorry to hear this Trimm.  I will keep you all in my prayers.

ANJ -  I forgot to ask -  on your daisy chain chart -   did you include the visits to KC from the pastor?  I think there may have been more than one.   I always wondered if she told her pastor where Caylee was located.

Interesting post ANJ ... number 1 has never left my mind. so many things are just not right with this family.

and I LOVE the note for Casey.  ::MonkeyWink::