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Janet,

Both Nut & I were set to open the new cage.  I bowed to Nut and was right behind her.  Cheating is not in our job description.    ::MonkeyTongue::

That Frog doing drive-by's again.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

KW checking
24ora.com
june 20 Search Words: solognier epi aruba
Jul 16 2008 jet blue aircraft aruba

Search Words         aline hibbert
Search Words         san nicolas brothel
Search words            cuerpo especial arubano

Just like you are! ::MonkeyCool::  Not fair...we need you both. ::MonkeyDance::

I am bringing this forward from the previous thread.

Quote from Kermit

HOW ABOUT THE POND HOAX GANG AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING NOW AT SMHere is some of what CAPS and his buddies have been checking since the Pond search ended:
Search words: Natalee Holloway found
Search words: yolanda vrolijk
What ever happened to the evidence on the front page of SM
Search Words 13 years old girls in aruba to talk to online
FROM last July same person was looking at
In Jul 14 2008 11:54:29 am**aruba petrobras co
Jul 17 2008 8:56:53 pm** refinery aruba pollution
Jul 15 2008 8:26:47 pm**WinXP**Explorer 6.0**FunWebProducts**marisol tromp mep
Jul 16 2008 3:47:02 pm ** azv aruba
Jul 16 2008 4:44:58 pm ** emilio geerman aruba prison

<<snipped>>

Quote from: vms on March 26, 2008, 01:23:34 PM

Report to the authorities of the Kingdom of the Netherlands on the visits carried out to the Kingdom in Europe, Aruba, and the Netherlands Antilles by the European Committee for the Prevention of Torture and Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (CPT) in June 2007

This report was made public by the Netherlands Government on 30 January 2008.
Strasbourg, 5 February 2008

<snipped>

LIST OF THE AUTHORITIES AND OTHER PERSONS
WITH WHOM THE CPT’S DELEGATION HELD CONSULTATIONS
A.        Aruban authorities
-           Mr H.R. (Rudy) CROES     Minister of Justice
-           Mr Rolando BERNADINA     Adviser, Minister of Justice
-           Mr Peter de WITTE     Chief of Police
-           Mr Lambertus KROZENDIJK     Police Commissioner
-           Ms Jeannette RICHARDSON-BAARS     Police Inspector
-           Ms Golda CANDELARIA     Police Inspector, Head of the Internal Investigation Bureau
-           Mr Emilio GEERMAN     Interim Director, Aruba Correctional Institute
-           Mr Laurence PASKEL     Director of Government Security (Cuerpo Especial Arubano)
-           Mr Roy LACLÉ     Acting Head of Section, Border Guard Authority (Warda Nos Costa (IASA))
-           Ms Angélique PETERSON     Adviser, Department of Foreign Affairs, CPT liaison officer
-           Mr Ezzard CILIÉ     Head of the PAAZ (Psychiatric ward of the General Hospital)
-           Mr Hendrikus van GALEN     Psychiatrist
-           Mr Nico JÖRG     Solicitor General
-           Mr Hans MOS     Chief Public Prosecutor
-           Mr Frans van DEUTEKOM     Public Prosecutor
-           Mr Marcel MADURO     Director of the Public Service Investigation Agency (Landsrecherche)
-           Mr Ferdinand GERARD    Judge, Chairman of the Prison Supervisory Board

B.        Persons active in the CPT’s fields of interest
-           Mr Chris LEJUEZ     Lawyer
-           Ms Eline LOTTER-HOMAN     Lawyer
-           Mr Rudi OOMEN     Lawyer

http://www.cpt.coe.int/documents/nld/2008-02-inf-eng.htm

Edward
Re: Extended Search Area (From Persistence Blog)
« Reply #131 on: January 30, 2008, 12:32:02 AM »   

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oceanexplorer I believe..
 It is the AMW reporter who did a series on the search effort in November of 2005 is where the quotes Scandi posted were taken from..
I put the Link at the bottom to find all his articles.

Reading his articles I came across this one. I thought I would share it.
To look back now and remember some of the things this family and friends have been through to help find Natalee.
How many ups and downs..It has been a long Time. 

I really appreciate Persistence and her crew and the advanced technology you have brought and the information and wonderful words you have shared with us.

Thank You

Searching For Natalee: AMW Producer's Diary Day 3

A Creepy Thursday In Aruba
11/6/2005

This is the third in a series of journal entries AMW correspondent Rick Segall wrote as he searched in Aruba with Dave Holloway, Natalee Holloway's father, and the EquuSearch team.
There is nothing neat and tidy about the Natalee Holloway investigation. Sometimes you just go down the path and see where it leads you. And sometimes it's just darned creepy.

That's what happened on a Thursday morning last week in Aruba. Tim Miller, the director of EquuSearch, was planning to do a low-altitude helicopter search. But he got sidetracked by an island local with "crucial evidence" concerning Natalee's disappearance. The man (I'll call him "Gerard") said he didn't know who to trust with the evidence -- he wanted Tim to see it first.

So Gerard led Tim to a heavy black trash bag tied with a rope. He refused to tell Tim what was in the bag. "Not here," said Gerard. "We have to go somewhere more private." Gerard insisted on lifting the heavy bag himself and placed it in the truck of Tim's rental car. On the drive, Gerard started talking in mysterious riddles and innuendo -- likely the result of drugs he admitted to taking.

Evidence?
Tim pulled up to my hotel and said I could get in the car with my little home video camera -- not the big, professional TV camera. Joining this excursion was not about getting a scoop for AMW (in fact, the compelling cloak-and-dagger tale never aired on the show). Tim and I agreed that my presence was important for "evidentiary value" -- to record the episode in case there actually was anything important in that trash bag.

We drove around for a little longer as Gerard told me about the "powerful draw" of young girls like Natalee and informed me that many people on the island make it their business to know when the "beautiful young girls from the States" are scheduled to come to Aruba. This guy was 100% creepy. He insinuated he knew lots of important information. But when pressed, Gerard provided us with nothing but blank stares and silly riddles.

Finally, we pulled down a long road completely hidden from any people or passing cars. Gerard informed us that this spot met with his satisfaction. We could now see what was in the trash bag. As I got out of the car, my heart was pounding 100 beats a minute. Whispering, I suggested to Tim that we use my cell phone to let someone know where we were located. I wasn't convinced that this half-drugged "informant" was completely safe. Tim was more comfortable with Gerard than I was. I think he also worried that a phone call would spook our paranoid tipster. So Tim gave me a little wink, indicating that a phone call wasn't necessary.

Revelations
The bag and the prospect of what was inside terrified me -- mostly because Gerard wouldn't verbalize it. Was it Natalee's clothing? The bag was too heavy for just clothing. Was it parts of a body? Surely they wouldn't be in a flimsy trash bag.

Tim untied the cord and cautiously opened the bag. His eyes saw inside before my camera could focus on the dark contents. But in a split second, the expression on his face turned from apprehension to skepticism. Tim reached inside the bag and pulled out a long, sandy rope. After a few seconds of silence, Tim turned to Gerard with raised eyebrows, as if to ask the question "What's this?"

Gerard stated that he was sure the rope had something to do with Natalee's disappearance. But after fifteen minutes of questioning by Tim and me, Gerard could not tell us when he found the rope, where he found the rope, or why he thought it could have anything to do with Natalee's disappearance. No credibility. Just the ramblings of a paranoid person on drugs. Gerard, a grown man, began mumbling that his father was looking for him and he'd have to get back to town. We dropped Gerard off after giving him a lecture about the desperate need for Natalee's family to have some closure. After Gerard walked away, Tim pounded the steering wheel and screamed "A whole wasted morning!" I knew he was right, but I also knew we had no choice.  It could have been some evidence to break the case wide open. Instead, we had taken a road that led us nowhere.

That's the way I feel every day now on the Natalee Holloway case. With so little communication and cooperation coming from the Aruban Police, Natalee's family and those trying to help them solve the case are forced to wander down whatever road presents itself.

http://www.amw.com/features/feature_story_detail.cfm?id=863

I did that search, here's the most interesting thing that came up:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg368468#msg368468

Quote from: Kermit on April 06, 2009, 12:38:53 PM

A cruel hoax to the family of Natalee Holloway - the POND SEARCH

1. We knew that the Pond contained nothing case significant.
   Kyle had posted the images of the pond scan.

2. CapsLockWizard was emailing Dave Holloway telling him he knew where Natalee was buried and told Dave to come to Aruba right away. But Dave Holloway did not reply. CapsLockWizard then got lalasmom to intervene. She emailed Dave Holloway to listen to CapsLockWizard, afterall, she was convinced that maybe at last Shango and/or Simian had come forth and maybe, just maybe, it was CapsLockWizard. Dave Holloway responded to CapsLockWizard and the fix was in.


NOW remember that CapsLockWizard's posts and emails to Dave told Dave and all the codetalkers that Natalee was
in the cemetary
in the Moko
at Whitehouse Apts.
in the Montanja Pond
pieces spread around
Then a witness says he saw Joran at the Pond
Remember how some questioned CapsLockWizard
Some noticed the posts of CapsLockWizards command of the  English language changed with his posts at various times

That is because there were at least 4 men pulling this off

September 15, 2007 - Kawish Misier was at Scared Monkeys  reading Freebirds document about Dompig.

October 15, 2007 - Caps received an email from Kawish Misier.

MISIER, Kawish -  character witness listed on pg 33 Tacopina’s filing in NY civil suit.
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=fccwevYGEFckQ.D
 http://www.hi5.com/friend/profile/displayProfile.do?userid=731494

CapsLockWizard was instructed in that email by Kawish Misier to go to the Freebirds blog.

November 26, 2007 CapsLockWizard came back to the Freebirds blog 

December 20, 2007 - CapsLockWizard signed up at Scared Monkeys.
December 20, 2007 - The RV Persistence made it's first ROV dive.


Many times CapsLockWizard was reading at ScaredMonkeys and not posting.
One would assume if a person new a witness that he later set up to speak with the Persistence owner and crew member
that he would a)keep it quiet b)talk only with his uncle - the attorney c) not post on a high profile website.
But CapsLockWizard not only posted on the scared monkeys websites, he also emailed with a number of people.

January 21- (A) Caps 4th post he enters into the Shango Arena
on: January 21, 2008, 01:52:21 AM
Klaasend:
Anyone have the complete Riddle in sequence and date order?
I have read it all and I do believe it is not difficult to solve. It is like Dungen and Dragons but with an Aruba/American flavor to it


Is it intriguing that CapsLockWizard immediately knows that the body is in Montana pond...... these are riddles people have been looking at for three years and not been able to determine what they mean....
but he can decipher it on the first day he looking at the stuff

January 22 Caps says it clearly states the Montana pond

February 16, 2008, 11:12:09 AM »
CapsLockWizard posts that his uncle is an attorney. "The government has his own set of lawyers and only work for the Government"
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2000
Attorney office  - Aruba Chamber of Commerce
some very interesting names here:



OPENBAARMAKING van de lijst van kiezers voor het KLEINBEDRIJF in Aruba voor het jaar 2004

anaam vnaam pstraat pnummer

ERASMUS-VROLIJK ESTHER LUDWINA CAYA FRÈRE LAURENTIUS 23

GOMEZ-VROLIJK GISELLE OLGA SANTA CRUZ 20
http://www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm

RAS-VROLIJK SANDRA FLORENCIA SEROE BLANCO 44-H

TROMP-VROLIJK JACINTA BERNADINA PALU DI BOONCHISTRAAT 14

VROLIJK-CROES JUDITH EVELINE OHMSTRAAT 1

VROLIJK-DE CUBA MARTHA BEATRIZ SAVANETA 149

ANGELA-FROLIJK LUISITA WEG ROOI HUNDO 65

ARBONA PARRA-VROLIJK NANCY CAROLINE NUNE 2-H

BLANCO-VROLIJK IMELDA GRACIELA PARAGUANA 3-B
HENRIQUEZ-VROLIJK FRIDA SUPRIANA SAVANETA 167

JOSEPH-VROLIJK ANGELA WENDELA WAYACA 268

KRANSEN-VROLIJK ANNA MADIKI 95-B

LIENDO-VROLIJK MARIA LUCINA SANTA CRUZ 340-A

MONTANER VROLIJK GIOVANNI DE VUYST 76
http://www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm


February 27 Caps uses a shango post to give the directions to the pond
February 28 Caps says he will go there at nine o'clock in the morning....
Who told Caps to go to the pond and that it was being searched?

February 26, 2008 Caps posts: "The pond in question (MOKO) is right out near the Whitehouse Apartment.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2720

November 13, 2008 Kawish Misier visited Scared Monkeys to the discussion about "A man contacted Dave & asked him to meet at the VIP Club (Owned by the Misier's)
Wasn't poster KBM..Kawish...his nephew?
Kawish Misier is friends with Deepak, Satish along with Joran, Kawish’s father owns numerous properties on the island and numerous car rental agencies. Kawish would have access to these vehicles.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2103.220

THEN HE WENT TO THE FRONT PAGE OF SM

#  Steve Holloway on July 14th, 2008 9:07 am
I want every body to know that Dave still wants the water search to continue. Their are over 170 targets that have to be looked at.
The fund raiser needs to start soon. An idea I talked with him about is maybe a ebay auction. A large picture of Natalee would go to the highest bidder with all funds going toward this boat search. There could be different auctions spaced out with different picture’s. I just talked with him about this idea, so its not a done deal.
God Bless
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/07/12/dr-phil-attorneys-use-scared-monkeys-natalee-holloway-posts-as-exhibit-in-court-docs-against-deepak-satish-kalpoes/

One of them did a google search on the name Emilio Geerman.

I remembered discussions on Scared Monkeys about the witness name being Geerman.

Doing a little research you can see that 3 men occupy the same residence that CAPSLOCKWIZARD lives.

We already had the phone number of CAPSLOCKWIZARD AND ONE OF THE OTHER ROOM MATES.

So if you look at the Aruba whitepages you will see Geerman, CapsLockWizard, his other room mate all share
the same residence address in Aruba.

http://www.arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?phone=&name=geerman&page=7
http://www.arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?phone=&name=Webb&page=2

CapsLockWizard said he used 4 computers.

4 different men using a computer

and convinced Dave Holloway that there was "remains and a sneaker in the pond" at Montanja and that a witness
saw Joran.

4 Aruban men used the Monkeys in a consorted effort to deceive you all.

They almost got away with it.

THEY ARE:
Kawish Misier
RV
room mate first name is the name of the 1/2 brother of Joran, last name is the name of ducks feet.
room mate is the name of the guy everyone said was the witness, first name starts with same letter as last name

Look at the white pages for the same street that Charles Croes lives on.
Now, you can match all 3 men living at the same address!

Gerard?

Geerman Gerardo     
Siribana 6     585-XXXX

Webb Lorenzo D     
Shiribana 6     588-XXXX




BUMP


Geerman Gerardo     
Siribana 6     585-XXXX

Webb Lorenzo D     
Shiribana 6     588-XXXX

Mr Emilio GEERMAN -Interim Director, Aruba Correctional Institute

Geerman Gerardo
http://www.arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?phone=&name=geerman&page=7

Webb Lorenzo D
http://www.arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?phone=&name=Webb&page=2

RV
same address.

Geerman Gerardo     
Siribana 6     585-XXXX

Webb Lorenzo D     
Shiribana 6     588-XXXX

Webb Marilyn E     
Shiribana 6 A     582-XXXX ..............  ????

Capslockwizard:
Search Words radar near california lighthouse in aruba
Search Words hiram vrolijk
Search Words marguerita wever
Search Words richard lacle

Kawish
Search Words frans vingerhoedt
Search Words solognier epi aruba April 7, 2009
Search Words prostitutes at charlies aruba  Arpil 9, 2009
Search Words frans vingerhoedt  April 11, 2009

msmarple
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #686 10/14 -
on: October 20, 2007, 07:03:07 PM 
More re. the bones found near the Natural Bridge last August --

http://www.amigoe.com/english/  10/19/2007

Skeleton ‘Boc’i Brik’ is German shipwrecked sailor

One of the archeologists at work during the research on the skeleton of Boc’i Brik.

ORANJESTAD – Scientists of the Archeological Museum Aruba (MAA) concluded that the skeleton parts that tourists found near Boc’i Brik (left of the small Natural Bridge near Puente) two months ago are the remains of one of the shipwrecked sailors of the German ship Hero that wrecked in 1886.   

The museum says that this conclusion must clear up all speculations that went around after the bones were discovered.  Thanks to good arrangements with the police, the archaeologists were there fast.  Due to their forensic knowledge network, archaeologists are always called when bones are found in Aruba.  They couldn’t beat the desecrators of graves though.  The scull and jaw were missing and some of the bones were not right qua ‘anatomic context’.  The archaeologists do not think that only nature was to be blamed for this.  Despite the big cultural-historic value, it seems that people have opened the tomb. 

It now appears that these people also knew that there were more persons on board of the Hero that were buried here after they were washed ashore.  All the tombstones were removed and sold. 

“Can you imagine how many people in Aruba have their own private archaeological collection”, says MAA-archaeologist Raymundo Dijkhoff that hates the fact that the authorities do not do anything against this.   “Even though the Malta-treaty can offer protection, and that the Netherlands has ratified it, there is still no good legislation to act against these practices.”

Educational museum employee Marguerita Wever said that people do not always realize that they are damaging their cultural heritage.  “They often leave initials behind or they use the old bones in voodoo rituals.  The biggest chance on damage is when something is discovered on private territories, when a house is being built for example.  A lot depends on the goodwill of the owners.  The owner of the Natural Bridge and surroundings was involved in these sailor tombs.

BOC’I BRIK

The name of the area where the bones were found, Boc’i Brik, was soon an indication of the origin.  All the stories about the name turned out to have one thing in common: an extremely powerful hurricane on October 17th, 1886 that caused a ship of the type schooner-brik to wreck offshore; hence the name Boc’i Brik.  There was just one survival, all the others drowned and washed ashore near Puente.

The research-team rediscovered the journal of a local official from that time, David C. Gaërste, which stated that the huge incident took place at the north-coast of this island, where the North-German Schooner brik Hero that left from Maracaibo with destination Europe, was totally lost.  Only the steersman (…) was rescued.

Capslockwizard:
Search Words natalee holloway found in santo domingo  - April 10, 2009


Kawish
Search Words natalee holloway, santo dominigo  - April 10, 2009

Quote from: finngirl on December 30, 2008, 11:17:25 PM

Quote from: ss on April 28, 2008, 08:15:49 PM

CAPS said that the initials SGCJ with the arrest are not for Steve Gregory Croes. He said the initials are written last name first so it would be S,GCJ. He said the name is Giovanni Solognier and I have been searching everywhere for a Giovanni Solognier.


Quote from: finngirl on April 29, 2008, 01:08:32 AM

say what?

since when?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Authorities probing the disappearance of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway arrested the DJ of a popular party boat Friday morning and searched his home.

A prosecutor's spokeswoman, Mariaine Croes, in keeping with Aruban law, identified him only by his initials, S.G.C. She said he was born July 21, 1978.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/missing.teen/index.html

note: SGC not CSG or C,SG
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Mariaine Croes, a spokeswoman for the public prosecutor’s office, said Aruban authorities were not prepared to disclose why the person was arrested or how they are allegedly connected to the disappearance of the American teenager on the Dutch Caribbean island nearly a year ago.

Croes would only say that the person who was arrested is 19 and has the initials “G.V.C.” Authorities in Aruba typically only release a suspect’s initials upon their arrest.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191903,00.html

note: GVC not VCG or VC,G
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

ORANJESTAD, Aruba -- Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, the two Surinamese brothers previously detained in the Natalee Holloway case, have been re-arrested on suspicion of premeditated rape and murder, Aruban government officials said Friday. A third person was also detained.

Prosecutor's office spokeswoman Mariaine Croes told FOX News that the third person was a man known as "Freddy" or "F.A.", said to be a friend of Joran van der Sloot, who has been held in the case since June 9.
(no link/sorry)

note: FA not AF or A,F
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

finn's free/possibly worthless advice to the codetalkers:
DO NOT DRINK THE KOOLAID  

There were 4 computers used by the nic capslockwizard.

There were 4 computers used by the nic capslockwizard.

Here are some photos of Joran and a girlfriend of his in Thailand.  Likely from the end of 2008 but I don't really know and don't really care.  I love a challenge when I have the time for it.   ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/JoranCaitlinThailand1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/JoranCaitlinThailand2.jpg)

Note Caitlin is from Monterey, Calif:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/CaitlinAveryMyspace.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/CaitlinAveryJoranPost1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/NENatalee.jpg)

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/truth_about_natalee_holloway_joran_van_der_sloot_michael_j_fox_tracy_pollan_lifetime_/celebrity/66520

I wonder which "friend" of the family sold Dave and Beth out when they sold that lame quote to the National Enquirer?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I must say..You Monkey's are amazing!I think we can include that movie star Frog,even though the Frog is busy Hob-Knobbing with the Elite Frogs on the lily-pads... ::MonkeyDance::

HOTSHOT???

HOTSHOT???

Could it be Julia Renfro, Mark Purcell, Hotshot and/or Charlierat furthering the pro-Dave/anti-Beth agenda?  Dave Holloway has never publicly undermine the words, motives or actions of his daughter's mother.  He has upheld Beth in his book as well as the talk show circuit.

Beth Holloway's production was in the works long before the Fred Golba search of the Monserat Pond.

Janet

+++++++

Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #791 1/6/09 -
« Reply #498 on: January 08, 2009, 09:15:29 AM »

Beth is a very good woman, don't get me wrong, but what is OK with her doesn't mean the rest of the family is OK with it.  The movie coming out is one of those things.  Dave soesn't want the lifetime movie.  He says enough is enough, "Thats my little girl".

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4351.msg617348;topicseen#msg617348

HOTSHOT???

HOTSHOT???

FYI - Tracy Pollan will be on "The View" tomorrow, I'm sure she'll talk about the NH movie.  She will also be on Good Morning America tomorrow morning

http://abc.go.com/daytime/theview/schedule

We have known this movie was in the works for a VERY long time.  I find it hard to believe that Dave did not know also.  What kind of friends does he have if they knew this all along and didn't tell him.  I thought they contacted him about every little thing.  How is it that they didn't when there was actually something to tell him?

And those playing the roles in the movie were announced several months back as well.

Something HINKY about that article.  Yes, it sounds like Hotshot and the anti-Beth gang.

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
7:55 PM

Sounds to me like someone wanted to make a couple bucks selling a story to the NE  ::MonkeyWink::

Hello Monkeys
Been really busy at work lately, but was all set to sign on the other night when UB called (that's what we call uncle Bubba) and he was concerned because his cow went missing. I told him I'd help out and put on my rubber galoshes and headed out to where the cows go before they head home. I soon picked up a trail of cow pies and followed them to (you'll never believe this!) Mags pen.. Apparently, cows like goats and UB's cow was visiting Mags goats. I couldn't convince the cow to go home, but luckily Buck came by (Nice Tail Buck) and Buck helped me drive cow back to UB's barn..... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
And THAT'S my story and I'm stickin 2 it!! ::MonkeyCool::

I hate to be so suspicious.....

Caps and Kawish both searching the Santo Dominigo + Natalee Holloway thing
makes me wonder if they are planning to "plant" the evidence from the trap in
another country to try to clear Aruba'a reputation.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Hello Monkeys
Been really busy at work lately, but was all set to sign on the other night when UB called (that's what we call uncle Bubba) and he was concerned because his cow went missing. I told him I'd help out and put on my rubber galoshes and headed out to where the cows go before they head home. I soon picked up a trail of cow pies and followed them to (you'll never believe this!) Mags pen.. Apparently, cows like goats and UB's cow was visiting Mags goats. I couldn't convince the cow to go home, but luckily Buck came by (Nice Tail Buck) and Buck helped me drive cow back to UB's barn..... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
And THAT'S my story and I'm stickin 2 it!! ::MonkeyCool::

I think there is more to come but we Monkey's are a Clever breed... ::MonkeyCool::

So these posters with the help of their suspporters just pulled off this total hoax and everybody is just OK with that within their support group?  Not angry at being duped, etc.? 

That's very odd behavior.  I'd be furious if I participated in doing something so cruel to this family.

Hudson, my 80 lb Blue Heeler is great at herding goats and cows.  He'll help next time the cow gets out.
We are happy to have the cow visit anytime. ::MonkeyCool::

Hi TM and KTF....
lots going on lately, Huh...Did you hear what Fred Golba found while spending Dave's money searching the pond?

Hi TM and KTF....
lots going on lately, Huh...Did you hear what Fred Golba found while spending Dave's money searching the pond?

I heard he found lunch.

OMG...our nephew has had blue heelers and I cannot imagine one that is 80 lbs.    ::MonkeyShocked::

I think there is more to come but we Monkey's are a Clever breed... ::MonkeyCool::

Do you think it will explain this pond hoax?  I wonder if those who were such good friends with CLW have emailed or phoned him and asked for an explanation.

Capslockwizard:
Search Words natalee holloway found in santo domingo  - April 10, 2009


Kawish
Search Words natalee holloway, santo dominigo  - April 10, 2009

Quote

Dutton Peabody said:
Feb. 14, 7:18 PM
When you search "stanfordInvestmentbank.com" at the Internet Archive (aka Wayback) it loads older pages.

Interesting that the President of the Bank has changed (2004)
Frans P. Vingerhoedt was with Stanford in Guardian Investment Days. His current Linked in page places him at Bank of Antigua (which is another Stanford tentacle, according to press reports).

Frans P. Vingerhoedt assumed his position as President of the bank in December 1997. Mr. Vingerhoedt previously served as President of Stanford Group Aruba NV and Stanford Trust Company, Ltd., affiliated companies of SIB. He received a Master's degree from the State University of Antwerp in 1978.

The other name in older press was:
Harry van Bergen joined Stanford International Bank as Director of Operations in March 1998. He previously served as Managing Director of a consulting firm, Cumaco N.V. Prior to that, Mr. van Bergen was employed for nearly 15 years in various management positions with ABN AMRO Bank N.V. He received a Master's degree in law from the University of Nijmegen in the Netherlands.

No one has commented that the website and pdf are inconsistent on the very important Compliance position. Website gives two lower functionaries, and older Annual reports has a single VP for compliance Pedro E. Rodriguez

Pedro E. Rodriguez graduated from the Interamerican University of Puerto Rico in 1983 with a degree in finance and accounting, holds a diploma in auditing from the BAI School of Banking at the University of Wisconsin and is a Certified Regulatory Compliance Manager (CRCM) (http://www.aba.com/ICBCertifications/CRCM.htm).
Rodriguez has been in banking since 1972 and has held the positions of Vice President, Compliance and Compliance Officer/Internal Auditor with Banco Popular de Puerto Rico, Chase Manhattan Bank and Banco Santander in Puerto Rico. He also served as Internal Auditor and Compliance Officer at Bancaracas International Banking Corporation.

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Frans Vingerhoedt shows up with Florida Stanford connections. A related Cynthia Vingerhoedt shows up making political contributions in Texas and listing affiliation to Stanford. She has resume on the Web from a Stanford site, but generates an error on download.

Florida Business Entity database (aka Sunsite), has listings for Stanford businesses, search under Stanford, R, since he uses his legal name for those filings). A lot of associated names on those reports. And a surprising number of revoked business names.

   
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 -
« Reply #902 on: Today at 01:03:10 AM »
   
Quote from: hotping on Today at 12:39:13 AM
Hey We need billb.....billb are You out there lurking?
Quote from: Lifesong on Today at 01:03:10 AM
I'm starting this quote stack to entice billb out of the rafters!

billb - your uncle bubba called, he wants his cow back!

I know who started this! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

Some great finds LifeSong! ::MonkeyCool::

If Kawish is friends with The Kalpoes,as well as Koen Gottenboes..That's pretty telling!

Thanks, KTF - I'm just putting the stuff Kermit posted in the search engine...

I'm glad you're back! 

 ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::

I thought he was related to the Kalpoes and friends with Koen.

caesu
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #804 3/1/09 -on:
March 04, 2009, 11:41:01 AM 
 
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Stanford's Rocky Start

The banker accused of running an $8 billion fraud wasn't always a business success

It didn't take long for Stanford to set out on a new course and reinvent himself -- this time as an offshore banker with a wealth of experience in the financial-services industry. In 1985, during an extended stay in the Caribbean, where he was giving scuba diving lessons and looking for investors in a Houston-based real estate venture, Stanford met up with Frans Vingerhoedt, a European living in Aruba. The two men became fast friends and came up with the idea of starting an offshore bank in the nearby British territory of Montserrat, say people familiar with Stanford. Vingerhoedt, who has been at Stanford's side ever since the bank opened for business, declined to comment. The SEC hasn't accused Vingerhoedt of any wrongdoing.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29509611/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4617.msg702784;topicseen#msg702784



caesu
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #801 2/18 -
on: February 20, 2009, 03:00:46 PM

his father is Lodis B. Stanford.

but i still keep an eye on this Stanford scandal.

for further reference, you never know if something will link together.:




http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4554.msg682573;topicseen#msg682573

Lifesong, your search engine skills and analytical skills amaze me!
With all the talented Monkeys we have, they have to be sweating in aruba.....so bad, sometimes even failed judge-in-training can't keep his zipper up when visiting with taco pina..... ::MonkeyCool::

Good night all.....
Tomorrow may just be the day Natalee and her family finally gets Justice.

Lifesong, your search engine skills and analytical skills amaze me!
With all the talented Monkeys we have, they have to be sweating in aruba.....so bad, sometimes even failed judge-in-training can't keep his zipper up when visiting with taco pina..... ::MonkeyCool::

Good night all.....
Tomorrow may just be the day Natalee and her family finally gets Justice.

Hope your post count changes REAL soon, billb.   ;)    Goodnight.

Hope your post count changes REAL soon, billb.   ;)    Goodnight.

Lifesong, your search engine skills and analytical skills amaze me!
With all the talented Monkeys we have, they have to be sweating in aruba.....so bad, sometimes even failed judge-in-training can't keep his zipper up when visiting with taco pina..... ::MonkeyCool::

Good night all.....
Tomorrow may just be the day Natalee and her family finally gets Justice.

Hey, Lifesong.....Richard Lacle has properties in Aruba.  There is a front page article I found that had to do with him, concessions at the airport...that Warrior group and the AAA....& he served time with some others for defrauding an airline/airport in Trinidad & Tobago.   

This computer was acting up tonight....I wasn't able to save the stuff, but wanted to help. 

2NJSons_Mom
Lively Case Discussion #527 9/26 - 9/29/2006
on: September 28, 2006, 09:04:43 AM 


Quote from: "Red"
New Front Page Post:

What A Shock, Aruba has NO legislation on the control of corruption … Who would have known?

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/09/28/what-a-shock-aruba-has-no-legislation-on-the-control-of-corruption-who-would-have-known/

Aruba is one of the last countries in the world that does not have compulsory education yet and no legislation on the control of corruption.  Even a country like Nigeria has a code of conduct for the Parliament members and Tanzania has laws against corruption.  The lack of these kinds of matters caused astonishment.”


Calmaquip search found several articles mentioning fraud...this one is from November, 2005....Richard Lacle, Aruba mentioned:

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/fls/PressReleases/051129-01.html

Thanks, 2NJ!  Is this it?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=381.msg54161;topicseen#msg54161

I do plan to change my avitar soon, just haven't had time to work on it lately.

Hopefully I'll get it done over the weekend!   ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i41.tinypic.com/2v9dj5u.jpg)

HEY GUYS, SORRY TO JUMP IN, BUT TRACY POLLAN IS COMING UP ON GOOD MORNING AMERICA TO TALK ABOUT NATALEE'S MOVIE, DIDN'T THINK YOU'D WANT TO MISS IT!!!  ::MonkeyRoll::

Hi Hotping.  Have a great weekend, and thanks for the article!

Tracy will also be on The View.  Here is where you can watch it once it airs:

http://abc.go.com/player/index?pn=index&showId=167365

YW Jen.....I really hate that I can't get into researching today...it is storming outside right now and its a perfect day to stay in and research but Family Calls so to speak......See You All Later in the Weekend!  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi all, I just signed in to let others know Tracy is up next on The View and I see Jen already posted it - but for those on east coast who can watch live it's in commercial now but Tracy is on next....

Thank you Klaas.  Thank you San.

Beth Holloway's production is based on her book Loving Natalee ... a book that says it how it is in regards to the obvious coverup that has denied her daughter justice ... a book that mirrors her forthright words spoken on the American talk show circuit since the getgo.

Janet

+++++

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 157/158

No one is breathing. Or Moving. Reporters and camera people are crying. The media hve been here more than a month, and they’ve seen firsthand what we’ve experienced. They are moved by this plea. But some of the Arubans are not. Calling their local sons “criminals” offends them. Having just heard the prosecuting attorney tell us at least one of the Kalpoes could be involved in whatever happened to my daughter. I felt the term seemed appropriate. But it led to an abrupt change in the tide of support.
… Not long after the “criminals speech,” some Arubans back off their prayer vigils for Natalee. A few protest in the streets against the barage of negative media. We’ve worn out our welcome at the Holiday Inn. And they let us know they’ve had it. The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us.


The Jonesboro Sun
January 29, 2007

Twitty recalled the first days after her daughter's disappearance and the actions of the Aruban government.

"We did everything we could in looking for her.  There was a government coverup, and it has been documented," Twitty contended.

http://www.jonesborosun.com/story.php?ID=25809


'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 21st
updated 1:46 p.m. PT, Sun., Oct. 23, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men.

They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, of course, it's very frustrating. You know, the entire investigation, that's all we've had is frustration coming out of the officials from Aruba.  You know, evidence—you know when evidence is gathered and lost or evidence is never gathered when it's supposed to be, just (INAUDIBLE) the primary residence of Paulus Van Der Sloot was never searched —I mean, you know, it just can't help but raise all the questions of—and leave us frustrated.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Dec. 5th
updated 6:18 a.m. PT, Tues., Dec. 6, 2005

TWITTY: ... Remember, within the first 24 hours, we knew who the suspects were. We knew the persons that Natalee were taken from Carlos and Charlie‘s. We knew the license plate of the gray Honda they placed her in. We knew the condition that Natalee was in. We knew the behavior or the conduct in which they engaged in with Natalee.

And then not only that, Jane, within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 -- at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one.

<snipped>

TWITTY: Well, Jane, something that the family knew—and we have to keep reminding everyone—after 72 hours -- 72 hours—we knew definitively that these suspects were not telling the truth. We knew that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. Of course we were becoming frustrated. Who wouldn‘t, at this point? You know, we—and what was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/

  ::MonkeyShocked::

I received a message that implied only viewer in the US can access this video.

Hey ... I thought Canadians were considered family.  President Bush stated Canada and the United States were family when he attempted to justify why Canada was not included in the countries he thanked for allowing incoming planes to land on their soil and ... receiving passengers into their homes ... in the week following 9/11.

Janet

Good Morning, Janet!

Thank you for this reminder. 

I just watched Tracy Pollan on The View.  She is very gracious and sincere and spoke so well and admiringly of Beth...but this was the second interview I had seen her do today and not one word about Aruba or the coverup...I admit some disappointment in the opportunities lost.

Then I came back to the thread, refreshed to get caught up...and look what you did!   ::MonkeyWink::

NOW I realize, perhaps the plan, for do I believe Beth has a plan, is to let the movie speak for itself first and then begin another round of calling out for the truth next week.

 ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::

OH OH OH!!!!

I just heard an advertisement for Natalee's Movie!!!!!    ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

I'm so excited!!! I just had to get to the puter and tell you guys!!!!   

LET THE STORY BE TOLD AND LET ALL THE WORLD HEAR!!!!! NATALEE HOLLOWAY WILL NOT GO AWAY! NATALEE WILL NOT BE FORGOTTEN!!!!  

YES!!!


O/T

CBB

Would you please edit my avatar by taking away the Easter Lily and scripture while leaving only Ducky, the star and me.

Thanks and God Bless.

Janet

I have seen three interviews with Tracy Pollan this morning.

All have been about half about Michael J. Fox, her husband, and their foundation for
 stem cell research and half about the Natalee movie.

Dianne Sawyer called the Natalee story compelling and emotional.
Elizabeth on the View teared up after viewing a scene of Beth realizing that Natalee was gone.
The other interview was a telephone interview on a local morning show.

I was not able to find the video of Tracy on GMA....just Huckaby's ex-husband....I did just catch The View.  They spent most of the time on Michael's Parkinson's, the Foundation & family, but finished up with the movie.  The clip was heart wrenching....can't wait to see it.

Have to start getting ready for our wedding today, too.  Hotping and I have similar social events. 

Later....

Another interview on local news at noon. live via sattelite

Tracy:  The investigation is still on-going.  It is possible that this movie could
help to bring some information forward to help bring some answers for the family.
Beth is a very strong and impressive person and it was an honor to play the role.

Another interview on local news at noon. live via sattelite

Tracy:  The investigation is still on-going.  It is possible that this movie could
help to bring some information forward to help bring some answers for the family.
Beth is a very strong and impressive person and it was an honor to play the role.

Lifesong
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #816 4/16/09 - 
on: April 16, 2009, 09:28:15 PM 

I wonder which "friend" of the family sold Dave and Beth out when they sold that lame quote to the National Enquirer?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4854.msg771737#msg771737

Lifesong
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #816 4/16/09 - 
on: April 16, 2009, 09:36:09 PM

I do not understand what makes people think they have the right to choose up sides between Dave and Beth.  That is the most anti-Natalee thing I can think of. 

That they do it with such pride and righteousness is truly frightening.

Who do these people think they are?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4854.msg771751#msg771751

 ::MonkeyEek::

Suddenly, this morning...I have been removed from BFN.  I can no longer read there.

I am confused.  I've never posted there so I couldn't have offended anyone.  I link my sources so I was crediting BFN, not stealing information.

I have reviewed my posts over the last couple of days to try and understand.

Wednesday night, I brought over to SM some posts from Kyle, linked and sourced.  Thursday, I was still a member.

BUT...Thursday night I posted this here at SM - and by Friday morning I had been removed from BFN.




As I received no warning, nor any other explanation... well... what am I supposed to think? 

Debbie?

OH OH OH!!!!

I just heard an advertisement for Natalee's Movie!!!!!    ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

I'm so excited!!! I just had to get to the puter and tell you guys!!!!   

LET THE STORY BE TOLD AND LET ALL THE WORLD HEAR!!!!! NATALEE HOLLOWAY WILL NOT GO AWAY! NATALEE WILL NOT BE FORGOTTEN!!!!

Lifesong - you are thinking what many of us witnessed and experienced for ourselves posting at BFN 3 years ago.

But at the time we saw it - we asked for the removal of our accounts.

Welcome to the club of those who don't post at BFN!

 ::MonkeyEek::

Suddenly, this morning...I have been removed from BFN.  I can no longer read there.

I am confused.  I've never posted there so I couldn't have offended anyone.  I link my sources so I was crediting BFN, not stealing information.

I have reviewed my posts over the last couple of days to try and understand.

Wednesday night, I brought over to SM some posts from Kyle, linked and sourced.  Thursday, I was still a member.

BUT...Thursday night I posted this here at SM - and by Friday morning I had been removed from BFN.




As I received no warning, nor any other explanation... well... what am I supposed to think? 

Debbie?

When I read Mark Purcell's despicable posts discrediting the family as well as Natalee herself ... when I read Mark Purcell words upholding Julia Renfro and the suspects ... I cannot comprehend this guy being allowed to post on a pro-Natalee forum and ... I cannot comprehend Robin Holloway upholding him.

In Tamikosmom's world ... it just does not make sense.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

Not to mention the posts he made at RU discussing my "ta ta's" because I posted here a link to deserted beach in Aruba.  He claimed it was a nude beach and all the people were hiding from the cameras because they were nude then proceeded to get really personal in his attack. 

He made many posts about how much he hated "frogs and birds" meaning me and Granny Toad and others.  Personal insults, etc.

So when I found that Robin Holloway preferred this company to that of people here supporting justice for Natalee, I found it somewhat hurtful.  I will never understand it in the normal course of events.  I am sure he has mentioned you as well at some point in time, Janet.
And Klaas has been under constant assault the whole time and yet these people are upheld as doing the right thing in this regard by Robin Holloway.  I have never seen anything from Dave that is nearly as positive and supportive of them but then I have never seen anything to the opposite either.

So she prefers their support to ours is all I can garner from it all.

I am here for Natalee, a U.S. citizen first and in her stead her mother, Beth Holloway.  And as BlueMoon is fond of saying, it's not over until BETH says it's over.

JMO

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am sure that Mark Purcell and many others have done a lot of posting  about me but ... the posting is done in hidey holes.  They realize that I will not hesitate to challenge ... on the SM Natalee forum ... using their own quotes and ... the quotes of others.

Hey ... RU in their open forum did afforded me my own special thread entitled TAMIKOSBUM.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

Hey KeepTheFaith?? Did you see your Promotion?? You're a US Bomber Now!!   ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/4th%20of%20July/keep-the-faith.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/4th%20of%20July/keep-the-faith.gif

MuffyBee calling MuffyBee!

MuffyBee seems to have become somewhat of our Town Crier with posts of birthday threads, etc.

I am wondering if she could post an announcement in all the active threads about the upcoming movie this weekend?

Many in the other threads may not even be aware of it or know that it is THIS weekend.

Any of the mods can do it but I just think of the MuffBee when it comes to announcements of late.

We can gather a fairly large viewing audience just from this forum.  And contrary to claims by some malcontents, the site meter says the forum is four times the size it was a year ago.  Because we are posting or reading in other threads does not mean we are gone by any means.

I just posted this in Caylee, Haleigh, Sandra and Musings:

O/T

This Sunday on the LMN (Lifetime Movie Network) they will be airing the Natalee Holloway story.  It will be aired at 8pm ET.  Please check your local listing and channels.  I have Direct TV and I'm in SoCal and it's going to be at 5pm Sunday for me.

More information here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4623.0

REMINDER:

there may be an influx of "guests" hovering in the rafters following Beth's production.  It is important that we do not imply in our posts that these "guests" are from the darkside.

Even now ... there could be many "guests" who would love to be participants in the Natalee Holloway discussions.  However ... their registrations have yet to be approved by the "powers that be" at Scared Monkeys.

Janet 

Lifesong - you are thinking what many of us witnessed and experienced for ourselves posting at BFN 3 years ago.

But at the time we saw it - we asked for the removal of our accounts.

Welcome to the club of those who don't post at BFN!

Janet, I think this is a great point!  I would like to participate in posting good information for visitors not so familiar with all that has happened.  This is an opportunity to be truly and only supportive, without question, of the truth.



How can I help?  Mini-timelines by subject?  The timeline is a compilation of the information everyone has gathered.  It already covers the more recent events, but might still be useful to help educate people about the ongoing coverup effort evidenced by the contents of the crab trap and the recent pond search.  I think shorter timelines of the case from 2005-2007 are already available or could be quickly pulled together too.

How can I help?

Lifesong ... a new thread could be created where all of us can discuss and work  on some mini timelines, etc.  Then the completed work could be brought over to the main forum just prior to the time of Beth's productions.

Just a suggestion.

Janet

Per Janet's suggestion, I created a new TIMELINE DISCUSSION thread and set it as a sticky:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4879.0

Has there been any research done to determine if there is a Jossy Mansur/Gerardo Geerman connection.

Janet

+++++++

Holloway Cover-up By Aruban Law Enforcement?
Friday, December 05, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: In the conversation that we had with Joran, he claims that the voice on the tape is his father. And obviously the prosecutor could prove that or disprove that. He could use subpoena power and do that. We can't get a first-generation tape from his father and do that.

Is it likely that the prosecutor will do that? Because, frankly, if it turns out that is his voice, his father under what he said is up to his eyeballs in something.

MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things(ph), Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot.

And we assume, and it has been certified by this man that the man who took Joran van der Sloot to his home that night after Natalee disappeared was his father. So he was involved from the beginning.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,462349,00.html


Jossy's interview with Greta begins at 4:50.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIeRJtMxqus


NANCY GRACE
New Search in Natalee Holloway Disappearance
Aired March 23, 2009 - 20:00:00   ET

JOSSY MANSUR, OWNER, "DIARIO": Because the Aruban government has always based itself on the recommendations of the prosecution, and the only thing that the prosecution wants to do is close this case, Nancy.

GRACE: Why, Jossy? I don`t understand. Why is the Aruban government so hell-bent on closing this case without a resolution? This witness, to my understanding, has passed not one but two independent polygraphs. He even identifies the make and model of the vehicle, which goes back to Daddy, Paulus Van Der Sloot, a red Jeep. Why is the Aruban government ignoring this?

MANSUR: I don`t know why. But we will have to ask them to answer that question. But I know this man, the witness, very well. I`ve known him for a long time. And I believe in what he says, especially after whatever he said was confirmed by two polygraph tests which he passed brilliantly.[/size]
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/23/ng.01.html

Lifesong ... I agree.  What are the chances?

Gerard equates Gerardo?

Janet

++++++

Searching For Natalee: AMW Producer's Diary Day 3
A Creepy Thursday In Aruba
11/6/2005

This is the third in a series of journal entries AMW correspondent Rick Segall wrote as he searched in Aruba with Dave Holloway, Natalee Holloway's father, and the EquuSearch team.
 
There is nothing neat and tidy about the Natalee Holloway investigation. Sometimes you just go down the path and see where it leads you. And sometimes it's just darned creepy.
 
That's what happened on a Thursday morning last week in Aruba. Tim Miller, the director of EquuSearch, was planning to do a low-altitude helicopter search. But he got sidetracked by an island local with "crucial evidence" concerning Natalee's disappearance. The man (I'll call him "Gerard") said he didn't know who to trust with the evidence -- he wanted Tim to see it first.  

So Gerard led Tim to a heavy black trash bag tied with a rope. He refused to tell Tim what was in the bag. "Not here," said Gerard. "We have to go somewhere more private." Gerard insisted on lifting the heavy bag himself and placed it in the truck of Tim's rental car. On the drive, Gerard started talking in mysterious riddles and innuendo -- likely the result of drugs he admitted to taking.

Evidence?
Tim pulled up to my hotel and said I could get in the car with my little home video camera -- not the big, professional TV camera. Joining this excursion was not about getting a scoop for AMW (in fact, the compelling cloak-and-dagger tale never aired on the show). Tim and I agreed that my presence was important for "evidentiary value" -- to record the episode in case there actually was anything important in that trash bag.

We drove around for a little longer as Gerard told me about the "powerful draw" of young girls like Natalee and informed me that many people on the island make it their business to know when the "beautiful young girls from the States" are scheduled to come to Aruba. This guy was 100% creepy. He insinuated he knew lots of important information. But when pressed, Gerard provided us with nothing but blank stares and silly riddles.

Finally, we pulled down a long road completely hidden from any people or passing cars. Gerard informed us that this spot met with his satisfaction. We could now see what was in the trash bag. As I got out of the car, my heart was pounding 100 beats a minute. Whispering, I suggested to Tim that we use my cell phone to let someone know where we were located. I wasn't convinced that this half-drugged "informant" was completely safe. Tim was more comfortable with Gerard than I was. I think he also worried that a phone call would spook our paranoid tipster. So Tim gave me a little wink, indicating that a phone call wasn't necessary.

Revelations
The bag and the prospect of what was inside terrified me -- mostly because Gerard wouldn't verbalize it. Was it Natalee's clothing? The bag was too heavy for just clothing. Was it parts of a body? Surely they wouldn't be in a flimsy trash bag.

Tim untied the cord and cautiously opened the bag. His eyes saw inside before my camera could focus on the dark contents. But in a split second, the expression on his face turned from apprehension to skepticism. Tim reached inside the bag and pulled out a long, sandy rope. After a few seconds of silence, Tim turned to Gerard with raised eyebrows, as if to ask the question "What's this?"

Gerard stated that he was sure the rope had something to do with Natalee's disappearance. But after fifteen minutes of questioning by Tim and me, Gerard could not tell us when he found the rope, where he found the rope, or why he thought it could have anything to do with Natalee's disappearance. No credibility. Just the ramblings of a paranoid person on drugs. Gerard, a grown man, began mumbling that his father was looking for him and he'd have to get back to town. We dropped Gerard off after giving him a lecture about the desperate need for Natalee's family to have some closure. After Gerard walked away, Tim pounded the steering wheel and screamed "A whole wasted morning!" I knew he was right, but I also knew we had no choice.  It could have been some evidence to break the case wide open. Instead, we had taken a road that led us nowhere.

That's the way I feel every day now on the Natalee Holloway case. With so little communication and cooperation coming from the Aruban Police, Natalee's family and those trying to help them solve the case are forced to wander down whatever road presents itself.

http://www2.amw.com/features/feature_story_detail.cfm?id=863

Credit: Edward/Lifesong

Hey, Lifesong.....Richard Lacle has properties in Aruba.  There is a front page article I found that had to do with him, concessions at the airport...that Warrior group and the AAA....& he served time with some others for defrauding an airline/airport in Trinidad & Tobago.   

This computer was acting up tonight....I wasn't able to save the stuff, but wanted to help. 

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Per Janet's suggestion, I created a new TIMELINE DISCUSSION thread and set it as a sticky:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4879.0

Tap. Tap. Tap.

I am waiting.

Janet

Does anyone have copy of this yet? I don't think what they are quoting is accurate, that Dave didn't know of the movie until it was "wrapped"?

oh golly Klaas  ::MonkeyHaHa:: I just thought you made a screen capture of the online edition  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I should have realized speedy you zips to the grocery store in an instant, so of course you have a copy  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Glad to hear it's a "friend" quote, they must have an agenda you think?  ::MonkeyWink::

Bombs Away.............. ::MonkeyDance::

Where'd everybody go???I get a new bombing partner and everybody runs for cover........... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Done!

I'm here -- I've my "Meteor helmet" on!  ::MonkeyCool::

Thank you Klaas.

I am so looking forward to Sunday when I can view Beth's production.

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!

Janet
9:00 PM

Good Night Janet!   ::MonkeyCool::

I'm looking forward to Sunday too!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Good morning Monkeys! I know the movie comes out tomorrow and it has been quiet since Easter -- but let's not slack off on the progress we have made about the cage, pond search, etc.!! Carry on!!  ::MonkeyCool::

Good Morning Monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

Good Morney texasmom.

Our little laughing girl is up and rejoicing in this day that the Lord as made.

Janet

++++++

  ::MonkeyDance::

Thank you Janet, we've had pouring rain and thunderstorms all night...that cheerful little face brightened my day.  I won't complain about the rain, just hope it all moves through before the movie tomorrow night...sometimes it interferes with the reception of my directv.

texasmom

In our area pouring rain and thunderstorms often implies clear skies and sunshine will follow.

Easter Sunday was pouring with rain but the next three days were beautiful.

I bet Aruba is bracing itself for another backlash against the Island's touristism follow Beth Holloway's production.

 ::cartwheel::

My daughter and grandkids met another mom and kids last night at the IMAX in our area and ... ended at spending the night at youngest son and DIL's home.  Hubby and I are headed over there for breakfast right now.  There was a method in their madness when we received the invitation first thing this morning.  Papa makes the best pancakes.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
9:10 AM

Did Blue Moon figure out a way to see the movie?  I hope so!   ::MonkeyWaa::

No, TM I haven't yet.  I have been sick (high bp, thyroid problems) and it is all I can do to just go to work.  Tests were scheduled for Monday but I got mad and canceled my appointment.  So just been lying around trying to feel better.

Our cable only carries that network on digital cable and to switch over would take several weeks.  So I will rely on my trusty monkeys to inform me and hopefully it will show up on regular channels someday.

Am I on the right thread?  Am I in the right place?  Is this Natalee or Obama?  Is this today, or am I on the wrong day also? 

Sorry Tylergal!  Yes you're in the right place.  I posted the Obama/Chavez articles from the conference in Trinidad because I thought they might be found interesting to some here.

I certainly didn't intend to offend anyone, my apologies to all.

 ::MonkeyCool::  

I was interested!  Thanks for posting them, Texasmom!!

 ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::

Sorry Tylergal!  Yes you're in the right place.  I posted the Obama/Chavez articles from the conference in Trinidad because I thought they might be found interesting to some here.

I certainly didn't intend to offend anyone, my apologies to all.

 ::MonkeyCool::  

Who in the heck do you think you are ... Tamikosmom.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

A friend of Tamikosmom?  Doesn't that friendship come with mod request privileges?

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

A friend of Tamikosmom?  Doesn't that friendship come with mod request priviledges?

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

You think quick my friend.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

Klaasend - Caitlin moving to Thailand

Klaasend - did you see that Caitlin says she is moving to Thailand next month.

Klaasend - Caitlin moving to Thailand

Klaasend - did you see that Caitlin says she is moving to Thailand next month.

Hi Janet, I cannot find the show in my listings, any idea for Central zone???  TIA.

A1 ... maybe Klaas could assist you.

I know that we do not get Lifetime in our selection of channels in BC but on the just on the other side of the the border in Washington ... my youngest son's inlaw receive that channel.

Hubby and I are spending the day tomorrow with DIL's father and mother ... from morning to night.  We are attending their church in the morning and ... then following a bite of lunch we are going for a drive to view the magnificent daffodil and tulip fields of South/West  Washington.  Then dinner and Beth's production is where it is at.  Son and DIL will join us for the movie.  Hey A1 ... I cannot even tell you what time the movie begins in Washington (PT).  Others have taken charge of the day's activities and time table.

Maybe a family member or friend who receives the Lifetime channel could record it for you.

Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4623.0

Janet - I assumed those photos were taken while she was studying in Thailand.  I know she returned to the USA for a while.  I thought Sleuth was saying she was moving back to Thailand. 

Janet - I assumed those photos were taken while she was studying in Thailand.  I know she returned to the USA for a while.  I thought Sleuth was saying she was moving back to Thailand. 

Here is the info and link - not protected.

YW, TM and Klaasend. 

Congratulations on the 50,000 mark, Klaasend.  Incredible dedication.

Can't wait for the Lifetime movie tomorrow.  I would love to see Beth twitter during it...

Somehow I don't see Beth twittering but I could be wrong, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

goodevening monkeys

hey klassend

this has probaly benn talked to death to if so sorry i brought it up
again

i seem o do that alot

does any one know the name of the bar tender that served
joran and Natalee hat last drink

secondly do we know if HE was ever questioned

i ask this because i think a seventeen year old would be ten times more
afraid of a drug dealer....especially if his dads a judge......also
once the sh?t starts to fall....so does the drug dealer ...especially if Natalee died
from them

could this be the person joran notified that night......to come and help
lean things up?????

Photo taken or uploaded to myspace in April 2005 - I believe Clive is the Dutch guy in the middle without the shirt:

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More on Clive:

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Why did Clive leave?

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Next item in the "Have you seen category/do you remember"

Video of Patrick van der Eem being denied entrance to the US....

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/414651/a3515e10/patrick_moet_huilie.html

anotherone leaves paradise
only this one doesnt want to be followed
?????????

was clive ever questioned in any way

hey san
that lorenzo is a spooooky looking dude

Natalee Holloway Case to Become Made-for-TV Movie
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,434541,00.html

Wednesday, October 08, 2008

"BIRMINGHAM, Ala. —  A women's cable channel has started preproduction on a television movie about Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba..."


I'm posting this to further dispute the account in the National Enquirer.  This is an AP story picked up by FoxNews.   

Am I on the right thread?  Am I in the right place?  Is this Natalee or Obama?  Is this today, or am I on the wrong day also? 

Another article in the same issue of Diario:

Aruba, Diahuebs 16 April 2009

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diahuebs/noticia/news6.html

Papiamentu translation:

more in demanda cu esnan of more edad abuse sexual of child owing to become business! *mayornan is abusa of children y sell they *clubnan of sex is become business atractivo at aruba

oranjestad (aan) — in forest, casnan bao construccion, casnan of cita scondi y even clubnan sexual cu is crece in cantidad at aruba, the business of prostitucion is florece. in name of turism, one cantidad of servicio of prostitucion owing to become good business for person local.

the drama more big is, cu hobennan drogadicto is in servicio of doñonan of the business cu have to transporta the prostitutanan, of cual the edad is follow descend. aruba at the momentonan here have one business creciente of prostitucion of child, cu is in demanda more big cu hobennan y adultonan while have organizacionnan special for her thing they're calling “catibonan sexual”.

as daily paper owing to anuncia some week happen, the is realiza one investigacion at organizacionnan scondi cu is florece at aruba, caminda hubentud is die. while de bez provided that cuando is as accionnan for adverti hobennen contra aids, still not have accion dirigi for uno of the negoshinan more rechaza rond world, cu is abuse sexual of child, cu is using because; prostituta.

hour talk of child, as the team of daily paper owing to descubri, is talk of children bau 12 or 13 year, cu as for rebeldia, they asosacion at organizacionnan secreto or bendi door of they own parents, have to serve because; obheto of placer for as man or muher, cu is pay for abusa of the children here. if abuse sexual of child is uno of the crimennan more repudia, at aruba the is florece, according informantenan owing to give of conoce.

have young, of 13 for 15 year, cu after of school is dicidi of bay cu man, muher or homo sexual, for they achieve coin for cumpra carchi of telephone. in mondinan, edificionan bandona, apartmentnan cu gruponan of amigonan is haci usage of dje for orgianan, they're ofrece they self for haci sex.

more atractivo for esnan cu is in the world here, owing to become children more young, cu they're using for haci sex. informantenan is show cu have of the children here, cu first cu they parents self introduci they at the business of prostitucion, is haci usage sexual of they. have mother cu is abusa of they yiunan, same cu tatanan also is haci. after they're place they at disposicion of others cu is achieve placer in haci sex cu child, cu not can defende they self.

according informacion have casonan conoci at instancianan oficial, cu not can activa because hour have to entrega denuncia oficial, is wing behind. mamanan cu have lover, y according informacion the are of man or muher casa cu is dicidi of have one lover is creciendo, is permiti lover abusa of they yiunan also y if the caso have to bandona the circulo of secrecia, the parents self is evita for complaint haci possible for come one investigacion.

hobennan in district, cu is form part of gangnan cu is dedica they self at drugs y violencia, is serve because; watchman or because; chofer for prostitucion, cu do not limita his self at the clase more abau but is practica in clasenan high also, according informantenan cu owing to talk of one decadencia cu never aruba can owing to wait for.

tristo is, cu for her children future owing to die y without defence they have to permiti abuse fisico also if they rebeldea contra they abuse sexual.

cu caida economico, the territory for actividad sexual produci coin owing to become more big y apparently coin is more important for parents cu the felicidad y bienestar of they yiunan, cu is become catibo of placer in the world creciente of prostitucion at aruba. come across

if the bartender slipped the drug into
Natalee's drink and handed it directly to
her  and she died from the effects of the drugs
would the not make him the murder???

Tylergal,
I just take it to mean that dictators like to hang out together.  At least those two sure seem to.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I only saw one dictator along with the President of the United States of America.

Texasmom - I moved your posts regarding Chavez and Obama to a thread by themself.  I'm not sure how or if it pertains to the NH case but left the open thread in case anyone wants to discuss the political aspects there.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4888.0

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyShocked::


I would like a better translation of those two articles TxMom posted and sure hope it is not saying what I think it is saying.

Cageman, if you see this, can you elaborate a little on what this is discussing?  Is it child prostitution in Aruba? 

Either my Papiamentu sucks even worse than I thought or this is some dreadful allegations.

Scared Monkeys has followed the disappearance of Natalee Holloway from the beginning. The very first post regarding the disappearance of Natalee was entitled, This Can’t Be Good For Tourism, Where’s Natalee Holloway. The reason for this title was because from the outset of this crime we knew that Aruba would do everything to preserve their tourism as opposed to provide a competent investigations, answers and “Justice for Natalee.” Sadly, we were correct in our presumption as to this day Aruba has not tried any of the suspects, who were last seen with Natalee Holloway leaving Carlos N’ Charlie’s.

There's always a calm before the storm...... ::MonkeyCool::

Lifetime Movie Network: Natalee Holloway story … Missing in Aruba Since May 2005

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/04/18/lifetime-movie-network-natalee-holloway-story-missing-in-aruba-since-may-2005/

KTF..I got a feeling there's gonna be a lot of dancing,winking,laughing,confused,cool,cartwheeling Monkey's once i'm left alone....... ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::    ::MonkeyDance::

      ::cartwheel::      ::cartwheel::      ::cartwheel::     ::cartwheel::     ::cartwheel::

Good Night Monkeys!   ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Monkeys
I have a couple of questions:
1)Whatever happened to the Kalpoe/Doc Phil lawsuit?Is it still in legal limbo?
2)Great front page post Red.In the 2nd video on the front page,they show that"call me Hootie"poster right at the beginning.Is this video part of the movie and if so,wasn't there some controversy about that missing poster?

Hope you all are doing well.I can barely wait for Beth's movie tonight.

Good morning KarmaRoundUp, Good morning everyone!   ::MonkeyDance::

The Kalpoe/Doctor Phil lawsuit is still in the courts, Klaas posted a few of the most recent documents not long ago; I'll look for the post for you and post a link.  I don't know if all of the news coverage will be included in the movie or not, but I do remember the controversy over one of the posters. 

I'm excited about the movie tonight too, it comes on at 7pm here (Central time). 

I'm so glad that Lifetime made the movie and will remind everyone that sees it about Natalee's disappearance and the fact that there are still no answers for her family.

God bless Natalee's family! 

I have the PRAY FOR NATALEE AND HER FAMILY - MISSING IN ARUBA bumper sticker that has her
grad pic on it, it is on my nightstand.

Nat is the first thing I think about when I wake up in the morning, and the last thing I pray about when I go to bed each night.

I tell her that I love her with all of my heart, and I will never ever give up on her, even if it
takes 25 years to hunt these ashos down and plug
some hot caps into them.

I feel her reply back each time: She is saying
to me, hang in there, be strong, they all will
absolutely be reaping what they sowed in the coming years. It is all happening precisely
like it is supposed to, on God’s watch.
Revenge is a weakness, and nobody will
be able to drop the hammer of justice on
them like He can! The time is still coming,
so please continue to be patient for me.

-Justice 4 Natalee Ann &
the entire Holloway family
(my heroes - the whole crew)

Grace Blessings!